Time to Impeach Barack Obama

When my daughter returned home from Kindergarten Friday afternoon, I discovered in her backpack a letter to parents  from the school district superintendent. It read, in part:

President Obama has scheduled a back-to-school address to our nation’s school children on Tuesday, the 8th of September, 2009 The White House informed schools that the President’s speech will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning.

Students in grades nine through twelve will have the opportunity to listen to, or opt out of, the President’s speech. President Obama’s message aligns well with secondary level instruction.

Opt out of?

Excuse me?

The President will “challenge students to work hard.”

Opt out of?

The President will encourage students to “set educational goals.”

Opt out of?

The President will ask students to “take responsibility for their learning.”

What the hell is there to opt out of?

I could barely contain my outrage. If the school district planned to show a video of Bill Cosby urging kids to stay in school, no letter would have been sent home. No opt-out options would have been presented. It would have been either in the curriculum or out of the curriculum and if it was in, all students would have been expected to partake of it. But in the case of this strange President, whose motives are suspicious, we need a letter to go home to parents. Kids get to opt out of this strange scary leader’s message.

I ask you, if some kid’s nutjob parents were holocaust deniers, would that kid be allowed to “opt out of ” instruction on WWII? The school district in this case sees fit to include President Obama’s address in their curriculum but political pressure from an insatiably viscous right wing, forced them to give parents an “out”. “It’s bad enough that strange looking man is our President, I’m not going to have him lecturing my kid.”

So folks, I’ve had it. I’m tired of waking up each morning to some new half-baked, cock-eyed, nutjob theory about Barack Obama. I say let’s cut our losses. It’s time for impeachment and since our Congress can’t seem to get anything productive done in a decent amount of time (look at health care reform), I shall help them. Here are the articles of impeachment in no particular order.

Article I: Whereas Barack Hussein Obama is not a citizen of these United States and has therefore been illegally sworn into office, he must be removed.

Article II: Whereas Barack Hussein Obama wishes to legislate the deaths of the elderly and sickly or retarded infants to fulfill his devious socialist agenda, he must be removed.

Article III: Whereas Barack Hussein Obama intends to dismantle our sacred Constitution and rob the country from its citizens, he must be removed.

Article IV: Whereas Barack Hussein Obama intends to supplant Christianity and make our nation a Muslim state, he must be removed.

Article V: Whereas Barack Hussein Obama shall attempt to brainwash our children, forcing them to deviate from our time honored traditions, he must be removed.

Seems to me five articles of impeachment are a good start, don’t you think?

And think what a better country we will have with Barack Obama returned to ordinary civilian life. All order will be restored. We’ll have a President we can be “comfortable” with again, one who reminds us of the 42 men who held the office prior to Obama. That’s what we really want, isn’t it? We didn’t ask for this much change. We didn’t really think before we voted last November of what it would really be like to see someone like him addressing the nation as if he were the leader of us all. My God, as if he were the leader of us all.

Well guess what folks! He is our President! Barack Obama is our President. He is your President if you voted for him. He is your President if you did not. He is your President if you are black. He is your President if you are white. He is your President if you are progressive and dammit, he is your President if you are conservative. He is OUR President.

Perhaps once we present our five articles of impeachment to the US Congress and they see the foolishness in black and white, they will for one moment stop worrying about the next election. They will for one moment stop currying favor with the lunatic or severely retarded among their constituents. Maybe they will finally say once and for all:

Obama is my President. I will challenge him on policy. I will challenge him on ideology. But he is my President and as a patriotic citizen of this country, I will defend his honor. I will defend to my last breath the assertion that regardless of political differences, he loves this country and wants what is best for it.

Obama is our President and your children have nothing to fear from him.

And then with that message stated loud and clear by every United States Congressman and Senator, Americans will finally understand that silly season is over.

If you still cannot accept Barack Obama as your President then it is time for you to opt out of this country. Get on a plane, leave and don’t look back. You are a sad excuse for an American citizen. Who needs you?

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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333 thoughts on “Time to Impeach Barack Obama

  1. Ha, someone put a fire under old R’s ass apparently.

    Come now, considering the “respect” you on the left showed Bush, why should Obama be treated any different? Really?

    ObamaBush is my President. I will challenge him on policy. I will challenge him on ideology. But he is my President and as a patriotic citizen of this country, I will defend his honor. I will defend to my last breath the assertion that regardless of political differences, he loves this country and wants what is best for it.

    When did we see this? We saw dramas promoting the assassination of Bush. We saw consistent and continual comparisons to Hitler. We saw efforts to disparrage, insult and belittle the President- so tell me R, honestly, aren’t you a bit late to cry foul on attacking the prestige of the Office of the President?

  2. Rutherford,

    Let me add to my new buddy Gorilla’s statement that you had absolutely no problem when Cheney and Bush were being accused of war crimes worthy of being tried at the Hague, apparently weren’t too bent about many on the left’s conspiracy theories about our government flying planes into buildings to start an “illegal war”, see nothing wrong about whopping double standards in judgment and character concerning conservative vs. liberal, and in fact found whacks like Code Pink and Keith Olbermann quite entertaining during the eight years of Bush Pres. Rachel Maddow was gospel.

    In addition, we have witnessed little of your criticism and harshest judgment concerning Rev. Jeremiah’s racist rants about whitey “investing” AIDS in communities “of color”, still hear about how Bush “stole” two elections, even though every liberal rag in America ran to Florida and could find nothing wrong, and in fact you personally have hinted at our “tacit” racism here on this very board because we won’t kowtow to Obama’s wishes about knowing what is best for all of us.

    Sorry if I feel little sympathy for your concern. If I were a parent, I wouldn’t want my kid listening to leftist indoctrination mixed in with some standard good advice that every kid should already know and which Obama’s message of staying in school won’t resonate anyway. If you think we are paranoid, let parents hear the message first to screen, because frankly there are about 35-40% of this country, which you would be included, that I simple do not trust with a dull kitchen knife, much less my own children.

    I find virtually everything about the left and Obama dysfunctional and reprehensible.

    Like Obama’s keen spiritual adviser once said, “The chickens…have come home….to roosssssstttttt.”

  3. Oh, I almost forgot. As for “opting out” of the country, I have but one simple statement for you and your brothers-in-arms from MSNBC.

    By all means, give it your best shot… 😉

  4. Opt out? I thought you leftists were pro choice. You should be encouraging the choice of opting out.

    “I will defend his honor. I will defend to my last breath the assertion that regardless of political differences, he loves this country and wants what is best for it.”

    What honor? Man surrounds himself with the most vile people.

    Loves this country? What BS. What policies has implineted or attempted to that shows he loves this country? So far I see him shafting our allies and supporting or buckling under our enemies.

    And you can take your dronish oath to Thuggy but my loyalty is to the Constitution, not some thug. This isnt a dictatorship yet.

  5. You notice Dodger never answered why Thuggy nominated Van Jones.

    If you really want to defend YOUR “president” you need to start defending specifics, not this vague rhetoric. And if you cant defend specifics regarding Thuggy, you shouldnt be pissed at us, your anger should be directed at Thuggy.

    You know, like why did Thuggy nominated such a racist, marxist, vile POS like Van Jones?

    “he loves this country and wants what is best for it.”

    Really? Than why did he nominate Van Jones who clearly said in his statements he hates this country. Why didnt Thuggy just tell him to opt out like you said. 🙂

  6. Personally, I have too much invested in this country in blood and treasure- I just can’t accept that loss. 😉

    Listen R, I thinking missing the opportunity to meet the President of the United States is wrong, and while I can’t stand the man and don’t trust him any farther than I can throw him, I would like my boys to have the honor of meeting a man of that station. However, if my kid was going to meet Obama in school, I would want to be there so that I could best articulate and explain what he said, and correct what I might find incorrect. He may be the President, but I won’t accept his omnipotence like the rest of the left does.

    That said, how often have I heard Obama make some statements that I am frankly not very comfortable with. Now, my oldest is 5, and they other day he asked me if I hate Obama. I told him no. 1) Because he doesn’t really appreciate or understand the premise of hate and 2) because I don’t want him to associate hate with political conflict.

    Furthermore, I use Obama as a teaching prop- in a very judicious manner I might add- for my son. I explain the premise behind what he proposes and why I think it is a bad idea. I don’t attack the man and I don’t call him names, but I do question his policies and challenge his ideas.

    I want my boys to understand both sides of an argument and I want them to play the arguments against one another as they learn to analyze ideas.

  7. If the school district planned to show a video of Bill Cosby urging kids to stay in school, no letter would have been sent home.

    R that’s just not true and I’d hope you an east of the Mississippi kind of guy would know that. Although the public schools routinely subject kids to questionable materials they have learned on many occasions that seeking permission is better than apologizing later. Sure there are systems that go the other route.
    I think what people especially those on the left are missing here is it isn’t so much Obama it’s what the schools will do and how.
    Even the most rhetoric laden speech is easily squashed by reality. It’s a one time deal. What the public schools will do is entirely different and goes for 180 days.
    Teachers only deserve respect when they do their jobs. Nowhere in their job description is there room for agenda pushing. I rememeber going to a parent teacher meeting with one of my kids teachers. Typical mentally vacant libtard had a bunch of anti Bush anti iraq War buttons on and went on about my son being too competitive. Ii let her know she should possibly continue to wear her heart on her sleeve but leave the propaganda on her house coat. I also told her that my kids go to school to learn,compete, and dominate. Needless to say end of meeting.
    Now can you picture that teacher in front of a class after the Obama speech ?
    On a side note do you think either of Obamas books are worthy of being on a reading list for k-12 students ?

  8. Van Jones resigns
    posted at 11:01 am on September 6, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    How I like to imagine Obama broke the news: “Let me be clear: Pack your sh*t.”

    In a letter released just after midnight Saturday, Van Jones, President Obama’s Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the Council on Environmental Quality resigned.

    “On the eve of historic fights for health care and clean energy, opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me,” Jones wrote. “They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide.”

    Jones said that he had “been inundated with calls – from across the political spectrum – urging me to “stay and fight. But I came here to fight for others, not for myself. I cannot in good conscience ask my colleagues to expend precious time and energy defending or explaining my past. We need all hands on deck, fighting for the future.”

    In this case, the “vicious smear campaign” consisted of (a) accurately quoting Jones and (b) citing documents he signed. But no matter. He’s headed for left-wing martyrdom, Trutherism notwithstanding and replete with lies about how Beck supposedly attacked him only after the Color of Change boycott began (wrong) and how the Truther petition itself was credibly challenged by other signatories (wrong twice over). Howard Dean’s already pushing the latter point, in fact, and calls Jones’s resignation “a loss for the country,” which is fitting insofar as Dean-o himself was once a bit warmer to Truther theories than even some lefty commentators could bear.

    Ed Driscoll’s got a worthy reaction round-up so I’ll send you there from here. Three meta-points to take away from this, though. One: We were told during the campaign that Wright and Ayers were non-issues because they wouldn’t be part of the administration, but has Wright, for instance, said anything vastly worse than Jones has? If he’s persona non grata on Team Barry, why wasn’t Van the man? Two: As noted by Driscoll and Mickey Kaus and doubtless dozens of others, so astonishing was the press blackout on this story that millions of people will wake up today, see the headline, and wonder, “Who the hell is Van Jones?” This isn’t as sexy a media-bias scandal as Rathergate or the silence on Edwards during the primary, but it’s significant. And three: To keep beating a dead horse, this never would have happened had Jones been forced to sit for a Senate confirmation because the White House never would have nominated him. They knew he was toxic and they knew Republicans would force the press to cover that fact at a hearing. That’s the whole point of having “czars” — to install people in positions of cabinet-level power without having to deal with the Senate’s pesky check-and-balance. It needs to change. Soon.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/06/van-jones-resigns/

    Get rid of the damn Czars

  9. You Americans make us laugh. I mean, really laugh. Here you are, the self professed pillar of freedom, liberty and justice for all and you run around like a bunch of crazed lunatics when the majority makes a decision (or even talks about a decision) you don’t like.
    Rather than take the opportunity to learn about what the man may have to say, rather than allow your children to see a point of view that may differ from your own, you cocoon them instead.
    That will teach them what? To ignore possibilities outside the realm of current ideology?
    The left is so paralysed by the fear of not being liked and the right is paralysed by the fear of being wrong.
    The health care debate has the whole world laughing. Your health care system is a pile of shit. It works for the top 10% of your population at the expense of everyone else…and you’re all fine with that. You won’t trust government to administer an insurance plan but you trust insurance companies to do it? Insurance companies and the biggest pieces of crap, lying, dirty, self serving entities on earth. The former spokesman for Cigna even came out and admiitted they did everything possible to deny claims and screw people over. You spend more on health care than any country yet have the lowest life expectancy, one of the highest infant mortality rates, and highest personal bankruptcy for medical costs on earth.
    The people on your existing government funded plans get the best care in your country (Medicare, Veteran’s, et al). You already have a single payer system.. you new president wants to expand it.
    But, the tail is wagging the dog and the southern belt and its fucktard racist morons know how to push the lefts buttons and the left is terrified of them.
    Make a health care bill, jam it down their goddam throats and be done with it.
    The $700b stimilus bill was from the previous administration and this administration hasn’t even spent a dime of new money yet and people are screaming that they have ruined he country’s debt load.
    None of the Tea Party bastards were screaming when Iraq cost you a trillion dollars yet they are afraid of the same amount being spent on your own people. Where were these shrill dipsticks when a corruption funded war was being waged on an impotent half wit dictator while Bin Laden ran amongst the hills like Julie fucking Andrews in the Sound of Music.
    So to the right if you haven’t got anything to contribute other than vitriolic hyperbole and you don’t want mature debate, STFU. You lost the election…by a lot. You had the country for eight years and screwed it into the ground. No one could possibly do worse. You opened trade with China…wtf were you thinking?? You really didn’t see the problem with trying to compete with a country that pays workers pennies and makes toys out of lead and food out of plastic? Idiots.
    And to the left….grow a set will you?? These people are going to be pissed off no matter what, so fuck them. You have a black president and even if he shat gold and unicorns magically friggin appeared, they won’t care. They want ‘their’ country back. You know…the shithole, trailer park, redneck broke one.
    You got elected on a clear mandate. Use it. The Democratic senators in the house rode in on Obama’s coat tails, so step in line pinheads and dance with who brung ya.
    Get the hell out of Iraq…it is going to be in a Civil War no matter what you do, so y’all best just step aside and let it happen now.
    Go kill Bin Laden the get the hell out of Afghanistan. If the Taliban comes back, blow it all up…and keep doing that until they give up. Or maybe let them decide their own destiny. Democracy imposed, is not democracy at all.

  10. So tell me Rick as you patronize us in your scolding manner, comically trying to demean the best the earth, which part of world are you from?

    The part we saved time after time, or the part whose as we kicked?

    If you’re not European, you should be. Arrogant and stupid is fruitless combination.

  11. 😆

    Don’t try typing with one hand while you eat a coney and submit a post. I’ll try again for the incomparably ignorant, this time with two hands.

    So tell me Rick as you patronize us in your scolding manner, comically trying to demean the best the earth has to offer. Which part of world are you from?

    The part we saved time after time, or the part whose ass we kicked?

  12. You Americans make us laugh. I mean, really laugh. Here you are, the self professed pillar of freedom, liberty and justice for all and you run around like a bunch of crazed lunatics when the majority makes a decision (or even talks about a decision) you don’t like. — Rick

    And you are from where? I’m curious what bastion of freedom your from…

    Rather than take the opportunity to learn about what the man may have to say, rather than allow your children to see a point of view that may differ from your own, you cocoon them instead. — Rick

    Well, I guess you didn’t read my earlier posts. I said, “I would like my boys to have the honor of meeting a man of that station. However, if my kid was going to meet Obama in school, I would want to be there so that I could best articulate and explain what he said, and correct what I might find incorrect.

    I also said, “Furthermore, I use Obama as a teaching prop- in a very judicious manner I might add- for my son. I explain the premise behind what he proposes and why I think it is a bad idea. I don’t attack the man and I don’t call him names, but I do question his policies and challenge his ideas.

    I want my boys to understand both sides of an argument and I want them to play the arguments against one another as they learn to analyze ideas.

    I’d be willing to bet I’m a hell of a lot more open minded than you are.

    The left is so paralysed by the fear of not being liked and the right is paralysed by the fear of being wrong. — Rick

    Ahhhh, what is the right wrong on? As for the left being afraid of being liked, so much for that theory…

    Last week’s Public Strategies Inc./POLITICO poll brought grim news for Pelosi, revealing that only a quarter of Americans trust the San Francisco Democrat — putting her in the basement with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio).

    Mention of the “trust” question halted the click-clack of Pelosi’s heels against Rotunda marble, and she turned to face the reporter who posed the question.

    “I don’t know about ‘trust’ — I think I’m trusted,” she said.

    “I certainly want to be trusted. I’m not particularly concerned if I’m liked.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2301852/posts

    The health care debate has the whole world laughing. Your health care system is a pile of shit. It works for the top 10% of your population at the expense of everyone else…and you’re all fine with that. You won’t trust government to administer an insurance plan but you trust insurance companies to do it? Insurance companies and the biggest pieces of crap, lying, dirty, self serving entities on earth.” — Rick

    Again, what shit hole do you claim? Really, let us compare the US medical system to yours…

    The former spokesman for Cigna even came out and admiitted they did everything possible to deny claims and screw people over. You spend more on health care than any country yet have the lowest life expectancy, one of the highest infant mortality rates, and highest personal bankruptcy for medical costs on earth.” — Rick

    Lowest life expectancy? US ranks 35th @ 78.11 years. The lowest life expectancy is Swaziland #191 @ 31.88 years. Even when you average all the states together, the US is more than a decade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    Infant mortality? Again, the US is 33rd @ 6.3/1000 versus Sierra Leone (#195) @ 160.3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

    Your credibility thus far is crap, considering it took 3 minutes and a google search to learn this…

    The people on your existing government funded plans get the best care in your country (Medicare, Veteran’s, et al). You already have a single payer system.. you new president wants to expand it. ” – Rick

    Wow, considering I’m a veteran and I’ve gone through this “best” care, I feel obligated to tell you that you’re clueless. Doctors are dropping Medicare coverage right and left and anyone who has had veteran care knows it is not the best.

    But, the tail is wagging the dog and the southern belt and its fucktard racist morons know how to push the lefts buttons and the left is terrified of them.
    Make a health care bill, jam it down their goddam throats and be done with it.
    The $700b stimilus bill was from the previous administration and this administration hasn’t even spent a dime of new money yet and people are screaming that they have ruined he country’s debt load.
    ” – Rick

    You’re beginning to sound like a Hugo Chavez deciple. Heaven forbid that people don’t buy into the notion of a single-payer system and are voicing their displeasure at being dismissed/disparaged/deceived.

    And again, the typical lefty argument, if someone opposes the policies of Obama and suddenly they’re a racist?! Fuck you

    Let us see where you’re from and what kind of bastion of liberty it is. Come on, school us on your state’s diversity and tolerance.

    None of the Tea Party bastards were screaming when Iraq cost you a trillion dollars yet they are afraid of the same amount being spent on your own people. Where were these shrill dipsticks when a corruption funded war was being waged on an impotent half wit dictator while Bin Laden ran amongst the hills like Julie fucking Andrews in the Sound of Music. ” – Rick

    First off, conservatives have been concerned with the costs, but cost concerns doesn’t equate a lack of support for the mission.

    Secondly, corrupt war? You must be a Code Pink member. OK fag-boy, explain to the esteemed forum why so many countries prior to the war assessed Saddam as having WMD?

    Finally, Julie Andrews? Don’t think he sings so well and he isn’t exactly flaunting his freedom is he?

    So to the right if you haven’t got anything to contribute other than vitriolic hyperbole and you don’t want mature debate, STFU. You lost the election…by a lot. You had the country for eight years and screwed it into the ground. No one could possibly do worse. You opened trade with China…wtf were you thinking?? You really didn’t see the problem with trying to compete with a country that pays workers pennies and makes toys out of lead and food out of plastic? Idiots. ” – Rick

    No one could do worse? 2009 deficit of $1.8 TRILLION will be 4 times the ’08 deficit. Unemployment is now 9.7% and climbing. Seems somewhat worse than what it was before doesn’t it.

    The right has proposed alternatives but fucktards- your word- like you in the media refuse to cover it. So tell me this dipshit, you have 60 seats in the Senate, you have an overwhelming majority in the House and you have the White House- how is the GOP blocking you? The fact of the matter is that it is not, you can’t get your own house in order and the only reason why you are trying to get GOP support is so you can share the blame for when this travesty fails and you can point your grubby little fingers across the isle. Dems know that the American people, overwhelmingly, do not want what you on the extreme left have to offer and if you force this, then you’ll be thrown out on your ass in 2010, which may happen anyway.

    And trade with China, well the he/she is an isolationist too.

    And to the left….grow a set will you?? These people are going to be pissed off no matter what, so fuck them. You have a black president and even if he shat gold and unicorns magically friggin appeared, they won’t care. They want ‘their’ country back. You know…the shithole, trailer park, redneck broke one. ” – Rick

    There you have it again- if you oppose the bullshit from the left then you must be a racist. So I’ll say it again, Fuck you.

    See, you can’t win the argument in the arena of ideas, so you need to terrify those opposed with bullshit claims of racism so they’ll be too intimidated to say how fucked up you are. Again, fuck you. Your ideas suck, your tactics are underhanded and your elitist attitude is the antithesis of what this nation is and what it stands for.

    You got elected on a clear mandate. Use it. The Democratic senators in the house rode in on Obama’s coat tails, so step in line pinheads and dance with who brung ya.
    Get the hell out of Iraq…it is going to be in a Civil War no matter what you do, so y’all best just step aside and let it happen now.
    ” – Rick

    Bullshit. Senators aren’t in the House, they’re in the Senate, hense the name ‘senator’.

    Y’all? Your façade is collapsing…

    Explain this genius, why are Obama’s numbers collapsing? His approve is down some 20 points and is under 50%. His disapproval is at 50% or higher. So tell us how, if this guy has such an overwhelming mandate that his numbers suck and people are coming out of the woodwork opposing his ideas?

    Here’s the fact of the matter, Obama ran against what has got to be one of the worst run campaign ever. Obama has had overwhelming support and protection from the media, who continue to sit at his feet and refuse to challenge him or his ideas. The left, and Obama, did not come out of the ’08 elections with a mandate. This was a classic example of a throw the bums out election. The American people expected the GOP to stick by what their party line is- smaller government, fiscal responsibility. The GOP lost their way and tried to use the tactics of the left to buy support through domestic spending. Didn’t work because the American people aren’t interested. You’ve completely overestimated your position, which is why you’ll get your ass kicked next November.

  13. Don’t get too bent on the idiot named Rick, but nice job Gorilla on at least pointing to a few obvious facts. Rick is a moron and pimp – hardly worth responding to and I’ll doubt he’ll be back.

    However, I would like to point out to Rick that for the supposed system that only properly serves 10% of the elite population, there sure are a bunch of middle class folk (that would include me) who happen to still like the insurance they got. Matter of fact Rick, believe you would find two out of three Americans pretty much are satisfied with their health insurance, further indicating your a rube and probably a lefty having diarrhea over Obama’s sudden magic disappearing.

    In that regard, you are much like the blog owner.

  14. Elric,

    Legitimate point – how easily I forget racism a prerequisite for liberal argument.

    And usually followed by unceremonious Jew baiting, since Israeli Jews are responsible for most of the world’s ills that conservatives aren’t.

  15. Axelrod Refuses to Say if He or Obama Found Van Jones Statements “Objectionable”…..

    Well he stayed in Wright’s “church” for 20 years. Its a safe bet that he didnt.

  16. Dem rep: Public option is path to single payer
    posted at 3:04 pm on September 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Actually, that’s about the only thing Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) gets correct in this interview on our local public television station with Almanac’s Kathy Wurzer and Eric Eskola. Gary Gross caught this moment of honesty, but really, there’s so much in this three minutes of television beyond the admission of the Trojan horse in the House bill that this almost pales into insignificance:

    So Dodger, why should we believe Thuggy when he says it wont when more and more Demomarxist slipped into a moment of honestly and say it will?Never mind the fact that Thuggy said it would.

  17. What, we weren’t united by the great unifier? What happened, I thought Hope and Change, coupled with several hundred billion in debt would make us sing kumbaya! 😉

  18. Gorilla,

    I dont know Gorilla. You would think that Thuggy and his goons playing the race card at every criticism of his policies would unite people. But for some odd, reason, its dividing people.

  19. You’re right. There’s something about being called a racist trailer park redneck that just makes me want to reach out…

    …and grab some pinko-commy leftist pussy by his scranny little latte drinking neck and plant a firm size 12 in his burkenstock wearing ass…

  20. And of course this is what Thuggy wants, people at each other throats as he tears down this country.

    But I can keep an eye on Thuggy and take it to these “Birkenstock” wearing drones at the same time.

  21. First of all, let me say that not only am I surprised a 3 day old boy shits so many times in a 12 hour span, I’m utterly shocked they grunt like truckers while giving me intense eye contact the entire time. I almost feel privileged to be allowed in on this ritual of stink tar production.

    Bronson watched his first Tiger Game with his old man today. Inge hit a Grand Slam in the 9th to win the game

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    It’s just impossible for me to be to riled up about anything political right now.

    That being said, I’ll add my two cents.

    1. This kind of stuff has been going on for some time. Tex said it best while wondering where Rutherford was when during the irrational Bush pogrom that went down.

    2. I can certainly understand Rutherford’s anger. The way he sees it, the President is simply going on TV to tell the kids to work hard in school. No doubt, the resistance to this is a little over the top.

    Where Obama went wrong.

    Common sense. Mr. President, you are in the middle of a very heated political debate that this country hasn’t seen for decades.

    Why…..Why I say! would you also include LESSON PLANS with the speech! The Feds aren’t even allowed to do this by law!!!!

    Even worse. WHY would you include a lesson objective that reads, “List some ways you can help the President”. The President? Not the country?

    Now, there are many leftist morons that are teachers. Believe it or not, even some of these leftists at my school thought the lesson plan Orwellian.

    Sorry if I repeated what others said. I don’t have time to read the comments today.

  22. Gee I dont know. Explain why Thuggy is nominating tax cheats, thugs, racists ghouls and supporters of eugenics. And then explain why Americans should not be worried or pissed about it.

  23. DR,

    Well Dodger is a drone and a liar. Thuggy wasnt there just to say “Stay in School”. If he was, there wouldnt have been a backlash to it. Of course he wont say anything else about it because he is just a drone and cant defend Thuggy’s thuggery. It just comes down to that Dodger is a leftist and expected Thuggy to get a free ride in his reshaping of America in his image. That Thuggy is being challenged every step of the way by conservatives and independents is wearing on him and making him more angry everyday.

  24. And just remember, these are the same fascists that are allowing farms in Cali to dry up because they wont allow water to the farms because of a friggin fish. Yes Dodger and Dodgette they are fascists. If they arent, please try to explain why not instead of crying because parents didnt want Thuggy giving their kids lesson plans. Try growing a pair and defend YOUR president.

  25. UK sources: Obama knew about the Lockerbie bomber every step of the way
    posted at 8:06 pm on September 6, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    Via Astute Bloggers, is this a scandal or not?

    British officials claim Mr Obama and Mrs Clinton were kept informed at all stages of discussions concerning Megrahi’s return.

    The officials say the Americans spoke out because they were taken aback by the row over Megrahi’s release, not because they did not know it was about to happen.

    ‘The US was kept fully in touch about everything that was going on with regard to Britain’s discussions with Libya in recent years and about Megrahi,’ said the Whitehall aide.

    ‘We would never do anything about Lockerbie without discussing it with the US. It is disingenuous of them to act as though Megrahi’s return was out of the blue.

    I’ve always assumed that they knew what was going on. How could they not? The objection to Megrahi’s release, as articulated by Frum, is that they didn’t pound the table more, not that they weren’t kept informed. Even so, this is the same M.O. The One followed during the Iran uprising, isn’t it? He keeps his mouth shut until a critical mass of public outrage is reached, then he creeps behind the podium and offers tepid denunciations. Way to lead, champ.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/06/uk-sources-obama-knew-about-the-lockerbie-bomber-every-step-of-the-way/

    I agree, impeach his sorry ass.

  26. Comedy Gold III: NAACP Continues to Defend Van Jones
    The NAACP told black moderate Kenneth Gladney that he’d have to fill out a form before they’d investigate his a$$ whooping by Obamacare supporting SEIU thugs outside of Russ Carnahan’s town hall meeting.

    They appear to be much more open to defending Barack Obama’s communist-Truther cop-killer supporting Green Czar, Van Jones.

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/comedy-gold-iii-naacp-defends-van-jones.html

    Leftists are despicable, whatever race they are.

  27. Dont you love it when foreigners tell us how to handle our domestic affairs?

    You couldn’t be more full of baloney. We (and you in particular) don’t hesitate to comment on the affairs of other countries … and in your case, Muslim countries get constant vigilance.

    So please pot, stop calling the kettle black.

  28. LOL I have to chuckle at your tirade against Rick. G. You do know he probably read my article, was moved to comment, and shall not return again. So your long diatribe was likely for naught.

    Still it was a fun read. Not sure why Rick got your goat so badly. You went all Tex-and-Rabbit on his ass. What nerve did he hit Gorilla?

  29. believe you would find two out of three Americans pretty much are satisfied with their health insurance

    No doubt true Tex … and satisfaction can breed complacency. What about “the current system is unsustainable” do you not understand?

    Two out of three people like their jobs enough not to quit, and guess what? When the economy gets bad they get their asses laid off. So satisfaction with the status quo has absolutely no connection to what is likely to happen down the road.

    In Sam Tanenhaus’ book “The Death of Conservatism” (which I may cough up a buck or two to purchase), he defines conservatives as wanting to keep what is good about America. A definition I quite like. A positive definition. But sometimes keeping what is good about America involves making changes that will preserve what is good about America. Seems to me the current crop of conservatives have a real problem with change.

  30. You can thank your thuggish leader for that.

    No, you can thank an increasingly sick society for that abetted by a media hungry for extremist headlines. There is no room for sensible moderate people in the debate any more. If you don’t sound like a wack job (left or right), you don’t get on the air and you don’t get on the front page of the paper.

    Folks like you who lack the common decency to call the man by his name, contribute to the polarization.

  31. There’s something about being called a racist trailer park redneck that just makes me want to reach out…

    Good point and it is truly a shame that you are being judged based on your poor representation. When your views start being presented in the media by sensible sounding moderates and not shrill sounding paranoid wackos, you might stand a better chance of being heard.

  32. Nicely said Rutherford…..

    The scary part is that some people would happily sign up for your articles of impeachment and not even get the sarcasm.

    Seriously, today one of the “tea party express” thingies came through town here. There were signs saying “Impeach the Muslim Marxist Bastard” – wow – people really swallow this stuff.

    I still think that we need to find some common ground for trust and understanding if we are to move forward (blogged on that today, in fact) – but I must admit that I truly despair at times – and this is one of them.

    Keep up the good fight….

    — hippieprof

  33. Even worse. WHY would you include a lesson objective that reads, “List some ways you can help the President”. The President? Not the country?

    I’m convinced sh*t would have hit the fan regardless of the lesson plans submitted but Rabbit, your point is well taken. Substituting “the country” for “the President” would have been much wiser since there is an entire ultra-paranoid bunch looking for black helicopters at every turn.

    But honestly, I see no difference between “what can you do to help the President” and Smokey the Bear asking “what can you do to prevent forest fires?” In this case, the question is almost rhetorical since the answer is “I can help the President by staying in school, learning as much as I can and becoming a productive citizen”.

    If this were 1955 and Eisenhower asked “what can you do to help the president?” parents would be lining up around the block helping their kids write the best damn essay they could on the subject. But this is 2009. Government is bad. Obama wants to destroy our country. It’s the age where you never talk or listen to strangers and Obama is a stranger, isn’t he?

    At least Rabbit understands my rage, I appreciate that.

    P.S. The first time I saw my daughter poop, I swear it looked like the play-dough coming out of the play-dough factory. An image I shall never be able to erase from my memory. 🙂

  34. Well Dodger is a drone and a liar. Thuggy wasnt there just to say “Stay in School”. If he was, there wouldnt have been a backlash to it. Of course he wont say anything else about it because he is just a drone and cant defend Thuggy’s thuggery.

    You dear Elric are the consummate ass*ole.

    Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, dickweed. The message will be a “stay in school” message. To expect anything else is to be a paranoid schizophrenic.

    I can deal with your constant whining about Obama’s policies, his choice of cabinet members and on and on … but when you defend those who are now treating him like some pedophile that children need to shielded from, that is a line I won’t tolerate.

    You read every goddam article I’ve written in the past two years and quote me where I’ve said George W. Bush couldn’t be trusted with our children?

    This is utter disgusting bulls*it and it’s the last straw for me. I’m sick of it.

  35. Regarding the Lockerbie bomber … guess where I first heard some concern that the Obama administration must have known what was afoot? On that liberal trash heap, MSNBC. So once again Elric, you live with your head up your ass.

    The possibility that Obama’s folks knew what was going on does not mean they encouraged it. The only fault I find here was their public reaction after the fact implying it was a surprise to them. They should have said, we knew about it, opposed it, but ultimately there was nothing we could do. Their “surprised” reaction may have been their way of not outing Britain, who at first denied any collusion with the Scottish on the release.

  36. Thanks to Hippieprof for visiting the blog and lending your support. Despair is a good word to describe my mood when I wrote this article. I haven’t been this disgusted since the presidential campaign ended.

  37. wow! Incredible ranting going on here. What’s the matter with people?

    Tex Taylor – well you sum it up with the sentence: “the best the earth has to offer.” Typical American swagger. Don’t you realize at all that quite a lot of the rest of the world doesn’t see America as the top of everything and we might even prefer our own?

    Rutherford, thanx for a good and commonsense article, just sorry you have to suffer all this shit-in-comments!

  38. Rutherford,

    I was right in my assessment sometime back of your common malady with MSNBC, Obama, and the other deviants making up the left wing of the Democratic party. You’re big on dishing it out, but not so keen on taking it. You actually had convinced yourself of your superiority in thought, and now that you’re finding out most people aren’t buying it, your reacting poorly – not recognizing it’s not the messenger but the message that people are strongly disapproving.

    I don’t know why you’re so disgusted. Your ilk have been begging for a fight for quite some time – and now that you’re finally getting your long overdue just desserts and getting punched back in the mouth, you aren’t handling it too well. The days of being bullied and playing door mat are over with Rutherford. Better toughen up.

    ———————————————-

    Were you so naive that you thought Elric, Gorilla, Tex, and a lesser degree Rabbit the only people in America considering themselves more traditional? I tried to explain to you that you lived in a bubble on the coast and your exposure to real America incredibly limited. “R”, though I can’t help liking you because you have a pretty good sense of humor, you take yourself and your movement way too seriously. You don’t represent a great majority of thought. Many of us find your thinking skewed, your attitude patronizing and arrogant, and your proposed path shallow.

    I told you a while back that Obama’s politics weren’t going to fly for long. When America finally awoke from her long suffering slumber and started thinking again, your angelic Presidential wings were dissected. My only complaint to those “independents” who have now also turned on your community, is why was it necessary to elect a charlatan to prove the point that liberalism a failure? The history of the progressive thought is one of abject disaster.

    What you really need to wake up to is this has little to do with the Republican party, as most of us registered Republican were more put out with the elected officials than you were – but for very different reasons.

    You need to understand that the great majority in America don’t like big government, don’t need big government, and don’t want big government. While many may have liked Obama’s slick approach and were hoodwinked into believing that he “would be different”, almost to the minute Obama walked into office, the majority of folks became disapproving of what they were hearing and had huge regrets about their vote.

    Obama may be smart enough to move further right but being a megalomaniac, I don’t believe he has it in him. Those he has surrounded himself with, and with a leftist Congress pushing him to turn pinko, he has trapped himself into were he will make few happy no matter which way he turns.

    And I will stick by my prediction to you ten months ago that this will get worse – much worse, as charges of racism will soon began to mount as Obama’s miserable policies continue to be challenged and defeated. He’s trapped and you helped put him in that predicament in no small way.

    Buck up and take it like a man “R” – and recognize arrogance breeds contempt. 😉

  39. “What about “the current system is unsustainable” do you not understand?”

    Like Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and this debt Thuggy is thrusting upon us?

  40. “If you don’t sound like a wack job (left or right), you don’t get on the air and you don’t get on the front page of the paper.”

    More BS from Dodger. The Van Jones story was buried by the MSM.

  41. “You read every goddam article I’ve written in the past two years and quote me where I’ve said George W. Bush couldn’t be trusted with our children?”

    Bush never went to speak to our schools with lesson plans. Of course he never talked about mandatory “volunteer” work either.

  42. “The only fault I find here was their public reaction after the fact implying it was a surprise to them. They should have said, we knew about it, opposed it, but ultimately there was nothing we could do.”

    Really? Well Thuggy went out of his way to shaft Honduras. Couldnt do anything to stop the release of a guy that murdered 130 Americans? Especially over “evil” oil? Once again, your head is up Thuggy’s ass.

  43. So Dodger. Why did Thuggy nominate Van Jones? Either Thuggy agreed with his radical views or Thuggy is just plain stupid. Which is it? Why do you keep dodging the Van Jones issue? Its not like your block is part of the MSM. 🙂

    Come on, why would you touch upon it? Is it because you do know Thuggy agreed with his views and think ignoring it will go away? Well guess what? Beck wont let it go. He has other Czars in his cross-hairs. LOL

  44. “He’s trapped and you helped put him in that predicament in no small way.”

    That is true Tex. Dodger and his fellow drones refuse to challenge Thuggy on anything and just enable this fascist to continue. Just look at Van Jones. Dodger wont even mention him. The guy is a radical just like Thuggy’s friend Ayers and mentor Wright. We KNEW Thuggy would find position for radicals but we were told Thuggy is a moderate and should not be judged by past associations with thugs and radicals.

  45. UN watchdog: IAEA, Iran in nuclear ‘stalemate’

    By VERONIKA OLEKSYN and WILLIAM J. KOLE, Associated Press Writers

    Monday, September 7, 2009

    The U.N. nuclear watchdog is locked in a “stalemate” with Iran over the country’s suspect nuclear program, the agency’s chief said Monday, pressing Tehran to answer lingering questions about its atomic ambitions.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/09/06/international/i223531D92.DTL

    Thats ok, Israel will handle it

  46. Here is what the dittohead Limbot who can’t think for themselves sees when they read the President Obama “lesson plan”.

    h/t to http://www.blufftontoday.com/node/30593

    Objective:
    To indoctrinate as many K-12 children as possible in Socialist ideology.

    Materials: paper, markers (mostly red), copies of The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf

    Procedure:
    1.POTUS says: “Okay kids turn to the last page of the CM, read along and say after me 3x:

    “workers of the world unite you have nothing to lose but your chains.”

    2. Activity:
    Coloring activity/children are to use red markers to create flags of the former Soviet Union. POTUS demonstration of how to draw a hammer & sickle. POTUS says: “hey kids what’s your favorite labor union?”

    3. POTUS says: “Ok students-here’s our history lesson: what does Adolf Hitler and Rush Limbaugh have in common? Answer: They’re both Republicans!” Students scan MK for Rush similarites.

    4. Homework: POTUS says: “Now kids go home and tell your parents you want a public health care option in case you get really sick-and tell’em you’re willing to give up that new version of Guitar Hero so they can pay higher taxes to support it.”

    5. Possible Research Topics:
    a) Joe Stalin Was Only Kidding.
    b) Fidel Castro: Latin American Hero
    c) Alger Hiss Was Not Guilty
    d) Why Everyone Should Have a
    Che Guevara tattoo
    e) Texas vs The Third Reich: Common
    States, Common Goals
    f) Sean Hannity is an Illegal Immigrant

    Test on Friday.

    I want all the dittoheads to compare and contrast what the President says on Wednesday to what is written above.

    The latest from Townhall tells parents to do the following…

    “Parents, prepare yourselves–your kids are going to be made a captive audience to this forced nonsense. I suggest you plan your own civics lesson to teach your children when they get home from school on September 8. Teach them that “civic duty” does not mean doing whatever the President wants you to do, but instead, being strong-minded enough to stick to your principles and formulate your own thoughts about the role government should play in our lives. “

    These parents have been telling their kids how evil President Obama is, and they’re now afraid if their kids actually get to hear him talking, the kids will realize their parents have been LYING.

  47. Elric,
    I stopped listening to your drivel a long time ago. Did you previously ask me a question? Who is Van Jones and why should I care?

  48. Obama school speech released; Update: Obama’s priority in speech
    posted at 1:02 pm on September 7, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Fox News has the big story of the day — the release of the Barack Obama speech to the nation’s schoochildren students tomorrow. As expected, it focuses on achievement and perseverance, two less-than-controversial qualities of success. It avoids any hint of proselytizing, and the removal of a very ill-considered exhortation from the official study guide to ask students how they “can help President Obama” should make tomorrow’s speech a non-event … for those students actually attending school tomorrow.

    In fact, had the White House skipped the study guide and simply released the speech from the beginning, it seems unlikely that this would have created much controversy at all. Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush both gave similar speeches in similar circumstances to students without creating a lot of hard feelings. That isn’t to say that their political opponents all yawned:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/07/obama-school-speech-released/

    Update: Commenter Faraway counts up references to Obama and to country, and finds 55 self-references and four to the nation.

    Its all about Thuggy screw the nation.

  49. “The truth is too scary for many, both Muslims and non-Muslims. I thank Robert Spencer for bringing the truth of what is in the Koran to non-Muslims.”

    “For 1,400 years Muslim leadership spread misinformation and covered up what is in the Koran, even criminalizing exposing the truth or asking questions. The truth is too scary for many, both Muslims and non-Muslims. I thank Robert Spencer for bringing the truth of what is in the Koran to non-Muslims.” — Nonie Darwish, ex-Muslim and author of Now They Call Me Infidel

    “Tony Blair calls the Koran ‘progressive [and] humanitarian’ but Robert Spencer has actually read the scripture and begs to differ. In an informed, sardonic antidote to the usual soft-peddling of the Koran, he concludes that its actual contents should alarm infidels and prompt them to defend their ‘freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the legal equality of all people.’” — Daniel Pipes, director, Middle East Forum

    “Robert Spencer incarnates intellectual courage when, all over the world, governments, intellectuals, churches, universities and media crawl under a hegemonic Universal Caliphate‘s New Order. His achievement in the battle for the survival of free speech and dignity of man will remain as a fundamental monument to the love of, and the self-sacrifice for, liberty. In our epoch of intellectual jihadism, this honest book is essential to understand the challenges of the twenty-first century.” — Bat Ye’or, author of Eurabia; The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam; and Islam and Dhimmitude

    “Unlike most of today’s self-styled experts, Robert Spencer won’t tell you that ‘slay the idolaters wherever you find them’ really means ‘love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.’ In The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Koran, Spencer shows once again that he is America’s most informed, fearless, and compelling voice on modern jihadism, insisting that we come to grips with the words behind the ideology that fuels international terror.” — Andrew C. McCarthy, senior fellow at the National Review Institute and author of Willful Blindness: A Memoir of the Jihad.

    “Meticulous, comprehensive, indispensable. ‘I read the Koran so you don’t have to,’ Spencer writes—but even for those of us who have read the Koran, this is a richly illuminating work.” — Bruce Bawer, author of Surrender: Appeasing Islam, Sacrificing Freedom and While Europe Slept.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027487.php

    Dont forget to buy your copy. 🙂

  50. White House: Van Jones Never Hid Any of His Radical Politics From us, None of Obama’s Czars Required to Questionnaire…..

    Van Jones, the Obama green jobs czar who resigned shortly after midnight Sunday, did not fill out the exhaustive questionnaire White House officials required of every Cabinet-level secretary and deputy-secretary position.

    An administration official said special advisers to the president, or czars, are not required to fill out the questionnaire that runs 7 pages and contains 63 questions.

    The entire questionnaire, the official said, is reserved for appointees who must win Senate confirmation.

    Question 61 reads as follows: “Have you had any association with any person, group or business venture that could be used – even unfairly – to impugn or attack your character and qualifications for government service?”

    Before resigning, Jones issued a statement approved by the Council for Environmental Quality, that said he “did not agree” with the 9/11Truth.org statement and that it did not reflect his views “now or ever.”

    However, Fox News correspondent James Rosen spoke with 911Truth.org spokesman Mike Berger on Friday and Berger said Jones knew what the petition said and agreed with its contents.

    “He did agree with that statement and he did sign on to it,” Berger said in a phone interview with Rosen. Berger said the group’s “original board members individually confirmed all signatories that had signed on to the statement.” Asked by what means the confirmation was obtained, Berger said: “They did it through email or on the phone.”

    An administration official said Jones never hid his controversial associations or remarks from the White House.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/white-house-van-jones-never-hid-any-of-his-radical-politics-from-us-none-of-obamas-czars-required-to.html

    Come on Dodger, defend this. Still waiting. Is Thuggy this incompetent or does he agree with the ideology of racist thugs like Van Jones? Esquiring minds want to know. 🙂

  51. the kids will realize their parents have been LYING.

    Or worse, they’ll find out their parents are dumb asses.One thing I forgot about when I wrote this article is that there is a sad (and I think small) contingent of ignorant parents who want their kids ignorant. These are the same parents who say “I didn’t go to college and I did fine… so why should my kid go.” It is wrong to assume that every parent wants what is best for his kid. Some parents are too immersed in the result of how their sorry ass life turned out, to give hope to their kids for a better one.

    Again, I think this is the minority. Most of the parents objecting to this are victims of disinformation, political extremists and outright bigots.

  52. Elric, as for Van Jones … I addressed this already. A poor job of vetting in my opinion. As for background checks on all federal appointees, I’m kind of surprised there aren’t already. But to my knowledge Jones committed no crimes that would be discovered in a background check. Believing and expressing stupid sh*t is not illegal. If it were, Elric, you would be reading this from a jail cell as we speak.

    While we’re at it, let’s say you’re opposed to paying taxes. Should that make you ineligible for a job as zookeeper? Jones being a truther makes him a crackpot, but does it disqualify him for a Green czar job? Doesn’t matter any more. Dude did the right thing and defused the bomb before it did any more damage to Obama.

  53. hippieprof,

    Legitimate point, except you forget one thing. Until recently the Nobel was an honor until the appointments of Krugman, Arafat, and Fat Al.

    In addition, Paul Krugman has been proven wrong so many times concerning his “economic predictions”, that the award now rendered moot. Krugman is a leftist shill only employable by companies like the Treasonous Times going bankrupt. You’ll note Wall Street finds him on par with academia.

    However, I will concede your point and used it because worthless academia from the left like you, who don’t work in the corporate world because they aren’t capable enough, love to throw out the Nobel as proof of brilliance. Rutherford still hasn’t answered my question. 😉

  54. “R” 😆

    One thing I forgot about when I wrote this article is that there is a sad (and I think small) contingent of ignorant parents who want their kids ignorant.

    Maybe so, but there’s a far bigger contingent of parents who insist that their little flunkie attend the most overrated of all ventures – academia. It’s a must to obtain another unemployable liberal arts degree from some renown coastal university.

    Next time you get to pay a plumber to come to your house on the weekend, I want you to remember what the Harvard graduate is making in comparison to Mr. Crack, the plumber. 🙂

  55. “A poor job of vetting in my opinion.”

    Poor? They didnt vet him whatsoever. So you are saying Thuggy didnt agree with his racist, marxist ideology. Thuggy is just utterly incompetent. Got that right?

    “Jones being a truther makes him a crackpot, but does it disqualify him for a Green czar job?”

    Well what are the qualifications in being an unconstitutional “Green Czar”?

    “Some parents are too immersed in the result of how their sorry ass life turned out, to give hope to their kids for a better one.”

    And hearing Thuggy talk about himself will cause these kids to turn out better? God you are unbelievable. Lay off the Thuggy kool aide. You will be better off.

  56. “R”,

    Hey, remember when you compared Curator, Tacit War Rambo, to the antithesis of old Tex with your usual leftist applause? I think I hurt your hero’s feelings. He refuses to answer my questions because I made fun of his “war record” and ignorance of Christianity.

    But that’s okay. He couldn’t answer the questions anyway, so no great loss. 🙄

  57. Commenter Faraway counts up references to Obama and to country, and finds 55 self-references and four to the nation.

    Commenter Faraway is an ass, who like anyone else can run a speech through a word counter and then make a dumbass point about it. Elric, get your head out of your ass and read the speech. I just did. The overwhelming minority of the speech is about Obama himself and what little there is provides an example that he went through what some kids go through today. It’s called providing inspiration, something a cynical basement-dwelling WZ pimp like yourself wouldn’t understand.

    For anyone else eager to post something stupid in this thread, bring it on! It may be Labor Day for you but it’s no-bulls*it day for me. 👿

  58. who don’t work in the corporate world because they aren’t capable enough

    LOL Tex how can you post that BS with me watching over your shoulder? As many total losers as we’ve seen in corp America? Since when did capability have a damn thing to do with corp America?

    You might be able to pull that crap with an academician but it won’t fly here. I know the corporate score and I know you know it too.

    Nice try. 😉

  59. I want you to remember what the Harvard graduate is making in comparison to Mr. Crack, the plumber.

    LOL … this from the dude who equated capability with corporate America. Nowadays, you know what gets you into corp America, Tex? That highly overrated college degree.

    You can’t have it both ways dude.

  60. We need a poll on which unconstitutional czar Beck will target next. We all know dumbass Thuggy didnt vet any of them. Should be awesome. Pass the popcorn.

  61. Ohh and did anyone notice that nothing about Van Jones bothered Dodger? Not his marxism, his racism, his support of a cop killer, his anti American rhetoric….nothing.

    Speaks volumes about Dodger’s ideology.

  62. Rutherford, as an quota admission from a prestigious and incredibly overrated university taught by the same dolts running the country into the ground (thank you Larry Summers), Cornel West, the racist Henry Gates, if you got things figured out like you claim, why all the troubles? Doesn’t sound to me like you’re in position to be providing advice on anything but how “NOT” to do it.

    Try to remember I left corporate America of my own accord… and I’ll stick by that insinuation that hippieprof in the mold of Ward Churchill.

    🙂

  63. I think I hurt your hero’s feelings. He refuses to answer my questions because I made fun of his “war record” and ignorance of Christianity.

    I ignore you cause your an asshole. The only people worth debating here are Red, DR, Gorilla and R. As for you and Elric the Ed Morrissey stooge… why don’t you bend him over and give him a happy monkey fuck with your e-penis.

  64. Gee Curator, that really hurt my feelings…..not.

    I guess you still couldnt comment on Thuggy’s commie racist buddy Van Jones. Perhaps you can tell us who Beck will go after next. I know there are so many vile Czars to pick from.

  65. Obama’s Summit Flop

    By Jackson Diehl
    Monday, September 7, 2009

    Just over two years ago Barack Obama triggered the first and most enduring foreign policy debate of the presidential campaign when he was asked whether he would “be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea.”

    “I would,” responded Obama. He later hedged a little but otherwise stuck to that stance through months of pounding by Hillary Rodham Clinton and later John McCain, both of whom called him naive. His advocacy of what he called “direct diplomacy” became a prime feature of his campaign; the suggestion was that this energetic and eloquent man could, as president, bring about breakthroughs in some of the toughest foreign policy problems through his personal diplomacy.

    So it seems worth noting that as Obama heads into the homestretch of his first year he has yet to meet with any of the enumerated rogues — a passing handshake with Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez at an inter-American summit notwithstanding. Nor is he likely to have any such meetings in the foreseeable future. In fact, one of the emerging lessons of the Obama administration’s foreign policy might be summed up as follows: The idea that presidential “direct diplomacy” with actors such as Chávez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong Il or Fidel Castro is feasible or likely to produce results is, well, naive.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/06/AR2009090601186.html

    Perhaps White House slumber party would do the trick.

  66. Tex, I may have misunderstood a couple of things in your last comment but just so I’m clear — to the extent that everyone who gets into Harvard does so to fulfill some niche in order to create a “well-rounded class”, we are all quota admissions. This is true of many modern universities which are no longer the exclusive choice of a select few rich folk. I don’t know your history but I doubt you got admitted by sheer brilliance. You probably were an asset to your school’s football team, or knitting team ( 🙂 ) or whatever. So, that’s that on the quota comment.

    As for your leaving corporate America of your own accord, just so I understand this … in a fit of righteous indignation you quit your corporate job putting your family’s security at risk. Is that what you are telling me? Or was quitting your corp job less about hating corp America and more about wanting to pursue a greater passion (like medicine). Please let me know so I understand the difference between how you left and how I left (admittedly not by choice).

  67. “Wow, that’s some sophisticated debate there.”

    He said he wasnt interested in debate with me. What, the no BS day is already over with you?

    So whose next on Beck’s chopping block? He already got rid of Thuggy’s favorite racist, marxist anti American Czar. Did you cry much when you found out? We know what a marxist lover you are. Never batted an eye when all that vile crap came out about him. Whose your next fav vile Czar? We have one that said he advocated spiking the water supply with an agent to sterilize the masses as a form of population control. Or how about the ghoul who wants to harvest organs. Who do you like Dodger?

  68. Long weekend and still not enough time to get everything done! Boy #2 turned 1 year old today, so I’ve been a happily busy pappa. DR, this is the stuff thats a lot of fun!

    “Still it was a fun read. Not sure why Rick got your goat so badly. You went all Tex-and-Rabbit on his ass. What nerve did he hit Gorilla?” — R

    R, I despise people that use race- period. I hate the KKK just as much as I hate the Black Panthers- both are intellectually dishonest, arrogant cesspools that do nothing but exploit and further historical wounds.

    MLK believed that we would move beyond race, with it having no bearing on how we are judged by others. I personally believe that he would be against affirm action and programs of its ilk because he would recognize it as systemic vehicle that would do little more than prove that blacks were/are not equal and need special treatment. He didn’t look for pity, he looked for fairness.

    Anyway, someone who can’t get facts straight and who throws the race card several times deserves to have their ass handed to them. If he doesn’t come back, oh well, at least you all know where I stand.

  69. We have one that said he advocated spiking the water supply with an agent to sterilize the masses as a form of population control.

    Advocated? Really?

    Wasn’t he and his co-authors exploring population control? Didn’t they research the full spectrum of population policies that, at the time, had either been tried in some country or analyzed? Where is your source that they “advocate”… oh that’s right there is no source that they advocated anything. You just pulled that out of your ass, or did you just parrot Ed Morrissey?

  70. Curator,

    You came in here being a punk from the very first post. You get punched back in return and like the good lib, can’t handle it. The fact you don’t answer my questions is of no concern because not only do I reciprocate in my feelings that you’re an asshole of which the world would be better off without your presence, but an ignorant one at that.

    But for a punk you do make an teetering target, which tells me you’re not only not terribly bright, but terribly insecure. I think the reason you don’t answer my questions is because you’re not clever enough, nor capable.

    But I do want to hear some more of your bravery concerning your war stories that you dream up – it’s entertaining.

  71. “R”,

    What’s wrong? Life under Bambi not turning out like you hoped? Unlike Curator the Maggot, you’re generally not a punk, but lately I feel like you’re imploding and it’s so easy to get your goat. Another quota hire. Yawn…

    You got me pegged – I was on the knitting team. How’d you know? 🙄

    in a fit of righteous indignation you quit your corporate job putting your family’s security at risk. Is that what you are telling me? Or was quitting your corp job less about hating corp America and more about wanting to pursue a greater passion (like medicine)

    Both – the fit of righteous anger got my stock option exercise date moved to immediate, which the funds originally allocated for medical school. But since the economy tanked, and the Tex family hemorrhaging three college tuitions even with two nice scholarships, that didn’t quite work out as planned. However, I’m not burning the milk money either and unlike someone I know, the house paid for. You ought to try it sometime (about a million years from now).

    Oh, and last I checked knitting was a guaranteed admission to medical school. 🙂

    Trust me on this one Rutherford. The old hippie professor is a throwback and the kind David Horowitz calls to the carpet – a plague upon society and a waste of public funds.

  72. Elric,

    I can’t speak for Rutherford the Quota, as he is nice enough to let me pound him on his own board, but this Curator was and is a punk from the get go. He’s convinced himself he’s with it – another in a long list of people who’ve been burned, and now going looking for somebody to blame for their bad choices.

    A common lib malady, usually of their own making.

    They’re simply upset that The Bombino has delivered the free stuff as promised, and now they want to blame whitey (in Rutherford’s case), or like Rambo blame anybody not cowering to the progressive thought.

  73. Tex,

    I have noticed Dodger has been more edgy lately and doesnt come on his blog as much. Thuggy flew too high and now is crashing to earth. Make any leftist drone angry I guess.

    We do need a poll on who Beck will go after next. Any idea? My guess is the pseudo Science czar. Or perhaps his new manufacturing czar. I guess Thuggy didnt learn his lesson. No more czars. Has the POS ever heard of the Constitution?

  74. …you’re an asshole of which the world would be better off without your presence,

    Now you are wishing for my death. How conservative of you. Do you worship at Pastor Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe? Do you wish the death of all people who piss you off? My… my… how extremist right wing of you.

    Since the rumor is that Elric likes tube steaks do you wish for him to die as well. Are you man enough to tell him what conservatives think… that he is a cancerous tumor on society? Most conservatives put Elric’s lifestyle on a par with pedophilia.

    Are you a good conservative Tex? Come on… man up!!!

  75. Curator, decorate war vet and brave soldier of commander of countless excursions behind enemy lines:

    Now you are wishing for my death. How conservative of you. Do you worship at Pastor Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe? Do you wish the death of all people who piss you off? My… my… how extremist right wing of you.

    From tough war hero to wimp – another in a long llne of victimhood libs. You are lame.

    I didn’t wish for anything concerning you as that assumes I find your existence of importance. I don’t. But just like I thought the world better without Saddam, UBL, and hopefully Roseanne Barr, I think you’re ilk a blight on society; a liability; an unnecessary expense that would be slung into space.

    I like Elric – I don’t like you. And anybody that’s not a lib can “tube steak” who they want as long as it is not me, my wife, my mom, or my kids.

    Now having said that, should I know Pastor Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe? I take it he must be somebody you can use as ammunition to slam all Christians, you being the consummate religious bigot? Somebody wishing death from the pulpit? I’m too lazy to google it so explain to me his egregious sins Ciaphas.

  76. The moron also claimed never to heard of Van Jones.

    In defense of Curator (whom I think was actually jesting) I never heard of Van Jones before this brouhaha surfaced. In fact I read an article today describing him as one of Obama’s more obscure advisers. Let’s face it, the green initiative has not been front and center lately. It’s been health care. With that said, I call you out Elric and propose that you never heard of Van Jones either until Glenn Beck told you to be afraid of him,

  77. “With that said, I call you out Elric and propose that you never heard of Van Jones either until Glenn Beck told you to be afraid of him”

    Glenn Beck never told me to be afraid of him. Just hearing Van Jones his own words was enough.

    BTW How come it doesnt bother you that Thuggy feels very comfortable around marxists, racists and thugs. And how come you keep dodging that question? Is it because you approve of racists, marxists and thugs just like Thuggy?

  78. Most muslims believe homosexuality deserves the death penalty just like they do with apostasy laws. What say you?

    Elric, what now? You’re calling Tex a Muslim? 😀

    Curator, we’ve actually been down this road before. I think in the prior thread I asked Elric why he embraced both a religious and political ideology that abhors his lifestyle. He of course dodged the question being coy about what lifestyle I was referring to. I even mentioned our friend Tex, who has many threads ago (or perhaps back in ChenZhen’s Chamber) made it abundantly clear how he feels about homosexuality. Let’s just say he’s not a fan.

    But then, conservatives believing stuff that is not in their own self interest is nothing new. I wish I was more of a reader because there’s a whole book about it … “What’s the Matter with Kansas?” by Thomas Frank. I think he focuses more on economics and social class than on lifestyle choices like homosexuality but it’s the same idea.

    P.S. Back in “the Chamber” Tex wished me dead very early on. That’s one of the first steps in his seven step program of admitting he could actually have a beer with you one day. 🙂

  79. You also didnt answer why Thuggy would hire a guy that hates America. You claim Thuggy loves America so why would he hire a guy that clearly hates it. Ohhh and he is a racist to boot.

  80. Rutherford, 😆

    Trust me on this one – Curator is not somebody I would wish to share a beer with. Besides, that style is too Bomba for me.

    Besides, your religious bigotry pales in comparison of Rambo’s hate of Christianity. However, his insults reflect more of a newbie to the game. Rambo needs some new material.

  81. How come it doesnt bother you that Thuggy feels very comfortable around marxists, racists and thugs.

    To go with your concept for a moment, Elric some people are capable of compartmentalizing. Who knows? Maybe it is a fault of liberals but I think we tend to do it more than conservatives do. I can only guess that Jones was chosen Green jobs czar because of his recent experience in green initiatives. That was the focus.

    Like I said in an earlier comment, the zoo doesn’t worry about hiring a zookeeper who wrote a PhD thesis on hating women. It has no relevance on zoo keeping. When you can tell me how Jones’ past nutjob approaches effect his job in green stuff, maybe I can better understand the outrage. Maybe you can dig me up a quote from WZ where he said “I don’t want any green jobs to go to whitey.” 🙂

  82. Tex, I kinda doubt Curator hates Christians or Christianity per se. I think what bunches up your undies is that Curator employs much of the same inflammatory rhetoric on the left side that you embrace on the right side. Why do you think I love it when he comes in here? The liberal atomic bombs are a joy to watch.

  83. “When you can tell me how Jones’ past nutjob approaches effect his job in green stuff, maybe I can better understand the outrage.”

    He hates white people for example. But I guess libs love to embrace racists when they are their own. But then they will make a stink about a Republican saying a few nice words to Strom Thurmond.

  84. “Like I said in an earlier comment, the zoo doesn’t worry about hiring a zookeeper who wrote a PhD thesis on hating women. It has no relevance on zoo keeping. When you can tell me how Jones’ past nutjob approaches effect his job in green stuff, maybe I can better understand the outrage. Maybe you can dig me up a quote from WZ where he said “I don’t want any green jobs to go to whitey.”

    In all seriousness, do you actually believe the bs that you write or is it just desperation because you cant form a coherent argument?

  85. Elric not only can I read, I can follow logic. Let me spell it out for you.

    Curator says to Tex:
    “Are you man enough to tell him what conservatives think… that he is a cancerous tumor on society? Most conservatives put Elric’s lifestyle on a par with pedophilia.

    Are you a good conservative Tex? Come on… man up!!!”

    You then, for reasons that defy understanding, toss Muslims into the mix.

    “Curator,
    Most muslims believe homosexuality deserves the death penalty just like they do with apostasy laws. What say you?”

    So clearly, since Curator accused Tex of hating your lifestyle and you then brought up Muslims hating your lifestyle, I assumed you must think Tex a Muslim. Otherwise why throw Muslims into the argument? Oh, I know … because you can’t resist taking a smack at Muslims at every available opportunity.

  86. And anybody that’s not a lib can “tube steak” who they want as long as it is not me, my wife, my mom, or my kids.

    Thanks Tex … the longer you’re on the blog the more we peel the onion back. I now get it. You’re only disgusted by liberal homosexuals. 😉

  87. or is it just desperation because you cant form a coherent argument?

    Coherence is a factor of both the proponent of the argument and the recipient of the argument. I don’t expect you to understand my arguments because you’re head is too buried in WZ and JihadWatch.

  88. I’m signing off for the night … gotta get a good night’s sleep to prepare for my mission tomorrow to make sure that every boy and girl in America gets a chance to hear Obama’s address to school children. 🙂

    P.S. I have ways of making a very good educated guess as to where my commenters reside (or at least where their computers reside). Rick from earlier in the thread is to the best of my knowledge from Canada.

  89. Thanks Big Brother. Canada eh? Should we examine the endless bounty that is the Canadian healthcare system?

    What a cheese dick. Canada has long hid uner the shield that is the US defense department. Eh….

  90. “I don’t expect you to understand my arguments because you’re head is too buried in WZ and JihadWatch.”

    No you dont have an argument beause your head is too far buried in Thuggy’s ass. That you couldnt answer by questions pertaining to the argument proved it.

    At least we cleared that racism is indeed ok for you if liberals do it.

  91. “Otherwise why throw Muslims into the argument? ”

    To see if he is a typical liberal hypocrite. That he did answer and you dodged it proved it. Bad for Christians not to like gays, ok for muslims to execute gays like apostates.

    “So clearly, since Curator accused Tex of hating your lifestyle and you then brought up Muslims hating your lifestyle”

    What lifestyle would that be?

  92. Good Grief. Obama Puts Former SEIU Bigwig In Charge of Creating Manufacturing Jobs
    What exactly does a union leader know about creating manufacturing jobs?

    Honestly, just how incompetent is Barack Obama?
    The radical in the White House just placed a high-level SEIU negotiator in charge of creating manufacturing jobs…
    When was the last time you heard of a union official creating a manufacturing plant?

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/good-grief-obama-puts-former-seiu.html

    Go get him Glenn.

  93. Rutherford,

    Not only do you overestimate your understanding of me, you overestimate Curator getting my undies in a bunch. You wouldn’t understand this, but I live for the Curator types.

    Nothing I love more that the sting of battle with a mouthy, ignorant lib. Even on your small blog, I’ve already run of a few of your big-mouthed, foolish “friends” off. Have we forgotten the “blog bride” and her equally inept government employed husband that liked to frequent this zoo before Tex put in them in their place? The bride hasn’t been back you’ll note after her cutesy act. Tex had enough of her smart mouth, gave her a few mulligans, and smacked her fat ass back into libbie land, where she now doesn’t venture out – at least not here. You and your lefty friends are not that clever “R”.

    You don’t like Curator because of the liberal atomic bombs. You like Curator because he’s simply a lib period and libs like being surrounded by like mind so they can parrot the lies and distortions without challenge. 😉

  94. So Rick’s from Canada? Scolding us about our health care system? No wonder he’s so wrong about America. He’s probably a Vietnam War refugee, 40 years later still smoking dope in his living room.

    Like I said “R”, I want your messiah to keep pushing to reform health care with the government intrusion. It serves my purpose to watch Bomba’s popularity fall off the cliff. Double kudos since it is driving you nuts! 😮

  95. Tex,

    He also likes Currator because sometimes he will attempt to debate since he wont. Seeing his pitiful attempt last night I can see why he lets Curator debate for him.

  96. President Obama’s speech to the kids is now available. Who do you all think will be the first wingnut to find a hidden coded message in the text of the speech?

    I say Glenn Beck… the man Elric would most like to go to bed with.

  97. Elric,

    I think you’re right about Rutherford running. He simply doesn’t address issues anymore. He’s down to snarky responses, feigned superior thought without fact, and cries of racism because Obama’s curtain fell of the hangers.

    For instance, the entire premise of this message is supposed Republican paranoia about leftist indoctrination. However, I can assure you that Rutherford shouted with glee at the age of 30 when this was going on (more double standards from the libs):

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

  98. Goody Elric thinks I care if he watches videos I post. But, I’ll keep mentioning his name because it’s fun that he seems to care enough to keep mentioning he doesn’t watch them.
    Has Elric even admitted that he’s gay. Aside from Curators clear cut statement, there has been other statements made where Elric seems to be a little overly sensitive to any statement that might seems slightly gay. Now, for a guy that doesn’t want to admit that he’s gay and dances around the weasel zipper question, which he obviously knows the owner online at least and is a perpetual blogwhore with Weasel Zipper being said blogpimp. You seem to want to hate on muslims, liberals and anyone else that doesn’t hold your views yet, you get overly-sensitive whenever someone makes a slightly gay comment. I find that to be a double standard. Elric, you should embrace love of all kinds but I know you won’t do it you little ingrate 😛

  99. R,
    When you can tell me how Jones’ past nutjob approaches effect his job in green stuff, maybe I can better understand the outrage.

    You may be on to something here.

    David Horowitz is a who’s-who in conservative circles and was a speaker at the 2003 Conservative Political Action Conference. He runs the conservative online magazine FrontPageMag.com, yet during his college years he was a member of the American Maoist Communist political organizations while at Columbia University and a former communist agitator and a marxist.

    Why is he welcomed into conservative circles when his past is full of leftist, marxist ideology?

    Van Jones past is evidently full of leftist and marxist ideology, but now he focuses on creating a green economy.

    Both men came from the same radical background yet only one is deemed as what….. reformed?

  100. “Why is he welcomed into conservative circles when his past is full of leftist, marxist ideology?”

    Because he grew up jackass.

    “Van Jones past is evidently full of leftist and marxist ideology, but now he focuses on creating a green economy.”

    Its the same thing jackass.

  101. Curator I think you give Horowitz too much credit.
    If nothing else the czarification of American politics is more than a tad anti Constitutional. Wrap your heads around that.
    I’ll add that Curator makes a point that is usable from a center right stance. Why would either Jones or Horowitz be allowed to hold a position in any sitting Administration ?

  102. Obama speech. I’m writing a post on that. It’s benne my position all along and I touched on it way back in the thread. The speech itself is/shouldn’t be an issue. The activities either pro or con that are available after is what people should have a problem with if they have a problem with anything.

  103. “Why would either Jones or Horowitz be allowed to hold a position in any sitting Administration ?”

    Horowitz is a reformed marxist, Jones is not. Jones is also a racist.

  104. “I don’t see why people are so eager to corner Elric on his sexual orientation.”

    Weird isnt it? But thats what leftists do. Personalize like Alinsky said.

  105. I appreciate that this commenting style may prove annoying but R it’ll help your stats yeahhh.
    Broad brushes are so easily used on the net. The thinking that being gay somehow means you can’t vote Republican or conservative I think shows a smug ignorance of the painters.
    Using the word conservative like it was a swear is so childish especially when it is used in the manner it so often is. Based on unrelated context. When people toss out the L word in regards Americans it is generally understood it’s about pussy wuss socialists who pretty much hate America. Tell me great painters what context do you assign conservative ?

  106. No one said Elric can’t vote republican just cause he’s gay. There’s a little group called the Log Cabin republicans that usually get to make their voices heard during elections when republicans need their votes. After that, the GOP forgets about them. Anyways, if that was referring to me, then I have no problem with Elric being republican cause he’s gay, I have many gay friends that are republican.

    To throw my 5 cents in there, I equate “conservatism” with the republican party. If I were to paint a broad brush then right now conservatives only call themselves conservatives because they don’t want to think of themselves are part of the GOP. Lets face it “conservatives” are working for the GOP. Now, the word “conservative” alone, generally means a slower approach and status quo. I think if you view conservatives that were angry at the Bush administration then you’ll see the difference. They thought there was too much spending, no fiscal discipline, and too much government. The same could be said about how “conservative democrats” thought.

    But, in my view people that call themselves conservatives as if it’s a totally different political party are fooling themselves. That’s the context republicans put conservatism in and that’s the context I use for conservatism.

    Mumble Jumble comment, sorry but I have to go to calculus 2 now 😦

    What’s the L word? Is it LOOOOOVE 😳 😆

  107. “To throw my 5 cents in there, I equate “conservatism” with the republican party.”

    Thats why you are so ignorant.

    “That’s the context republicans put conservatism in and that’s the context I use for conservatism.”

    A fool as well.

  108. So the last couple of days I have read up on who Van Jones was as I, like everybody else (except for Elric) did not have a clue who this guy was.

    Was Jones comment of “By September, I was a communist.” literal, or hyperbole? Some teabagger, who conservatives claim is a main stream American stood up at a town hall to declare he’s “proud to be a rightwing terrorist.” Was this literal or hyperbole?

    Is he a truther? People who had immediate family members killed on 9/11 were on that list. Should they be ostracized too? Does it matter that some of the widows of 9/11 victims points out that the 9/11 commission only covered 30% of issues raised by 9/11 families? There is nothing radical there, but because it has “truth” in the title and “truthers” have become so stigmatized, it gets dismissed as kookiness, even though it raises important questions. Did everybody who signed that “truther” statement agree with everything in it? No. Even the family members of 9/11 victims probably didn’t agree with everything in it. The “it was an inside job” angle is absurd however, the questions as to why the NSA who knew beforehand that the two terrorists living in San Diego were calling overseas and communicating with al qaeda – yet never bothered to warn the CIA or the FBI about it is appalling. Why didn’t the commission take NSA to task for it? What’s to prevent this happening again if the 9/11 “ommision” didn’t do their jobs in the first place?

    The conservative howler monkeys won this round.

    There are “truthers” and there are “Truthers”. I’d sign that petition — especially if it called for further investigation — and I’m no “they planted bombs in the WTC” Truther. I just don’t want 9/11 to ever happen again.

  109. “I, like everybody else (except for Elric) did not have a clue who this guy was.”

    Thats because you get your news from the MSM who tried to bury who this thug was.

  110. Video: Reverend Wright’s healing balm
    posted at 10:12 am on September 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    For those who thought that the appointment of 9/11 Truther Van Jones was the nadir (so far) for this administration’s moderate, post-partisan credibility, keep in mind that this man could have been in charge of faith-based initiatives if not for Hillary Clinton’s oppo research team. Jeremiah Wright gives hope to Jones and other demagogues tossed under Barack Obama’s bus that the news media will still give them camera time as long as they continue to make the kind of outrageous statements that marginalized them in the first place. Here, Wright gives his nuanced view of the debate over health-care reform (via JWF):

    I think the racists in the right wing are upset because poor people are about to be helped.

    Right! Because America is, after all, such an uncharitable nation. Oh, wait — we’re the nation with the highest per-capita private donations to charity, doubling our closest competition. And since conservatives give more in time and money to charitable causes than liberals, that explanation doesn’t wash.

    In fact, this Wright statement shows him once again to be either an idiot, a demagogue, or both. What does that say about the man who sat in Wright’s church for 20 years and listened to his idiocy without considering other options for worship?

  111. Valerie Jarrett’s Show

    By The Prowler on 9.8.09 @ 6:09AM

    The White House shouldn’t expect the furor over Special Advisor for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality Van Jones to go away just because he’s resigned, says a former Obama Administration transition team member, because “the same problems that they created with Jones’s hiring are there for others and they don’t seem to care about the political damage these people may inflict.”

    http://spectator.org/archives/2009/09/08/valerie-jarretts-show

  112. The practice of un-vetted and unconfirmed presidential special advisors “czars” is causing quite the uproar with the conservatives.

    Where was the uproar during George Bush’s appointments of his czars? What did we know of GW’s czars?

    Well… they were convicted felons.

    Back in the day President George Bush appointed numerous felons as czar, so kids I thought what fun it would be to stroll down recent memory and take a look at the Bush czar’s who’s-who:

    Convict #1 was former National Security Adviser John Poindexter who was convicted in 1990 on five felony charges of conspiracy, making false statements to Congress and obstructing congressional inquiries. This man was appointed by Bush as the “total information awareness” citizen tracking database czar. He was also head of “Operation Phoenix” in Indo-China where kidnapping and torture were commonplace.

    Convict #2 was Iran-Contra defendant Elliott Abrams who served as George Bush’s special White House assistant for democracy and human rights czar. As assistant secretary of state under Reagan, Abrams pleaded guilty to withholding information from Congress, then was pardoned by the first President Bush.

    Should be convict Otto Reich was a controversial Reagan-era diplomat and just one of the officials most responsible for devising and administering the destructive “Reagan doctrine” in 1980s. Reich led an inter-agency outfit called the Office of Public Diplomacy for Latin America and the Caribbean, which was declared illegal after a 1987 investigation by the U.S. Comptroller General. It was charged with disseminating what it called “White Propaganda”-covert misinformation designed to influence public opinion in favor of Reagan’s military campaign against Nicaragua’s Sandinista government.

    Lastly President Bush made John Negroponte UN Ambassador to Iraq. John Negroponte was US ambassador to Honduras from 1981 to 1985 and was responsible for carrying out the covert strategy of the Reagan administration to crush the Sandinistas government in Nicaragua. Negroponte supervised the creation of the El Aguacate air base, where the US trained Nicaraguan Contras and used as a secret detention and torture center during his tenure. In August 2001, excavations at the base discovered 185 corpses, including two Americans, who are thought to have been killed and buried at the site. Honduran armed forces trained by the CIA and Argentine military, kidnapped, tortured and killed hundreds of people, including US missionaries and critics charge that Negroponte knew about these human rights violations and yet continued to collaborate with the Honduran military while lying to Congress.

    WOW kids… what a stroke of pure genius of having a Death Squad Ambassador as our spokesman to Iraq about human rights.

    Spare us the vetting lectures. The only vetting George Bush did was having to be a loyal good “Bushie”. We know that incompetence was so highly prized in the previous administration that they hired the entire graduating class of Liberty University to run the DOJ and the Green Zone.

  113. a point of order re czars. (what a piss headed term for something in America) Many of the czars are actually sitting folks that get extra duties tossed on them. Hence no new congressional oversight. Others are publicity figureheads to make it look like the Oval is doing something.

  114. “Oh, but I’m sure right-wing extremists like elric and gorilla will call him a RINO” — Child formerly known as Sensico

    Newt said as long as he doesn’t draw politics into the speech, then there is little to be concerned with. I happen to agree with that, so where you get off trying to drag me into this I don’t know- I haven’t said anything about the speech.

    Listen, he was either sincere in the speech from the get-go, or he wasn’t. By this I mean that considering that Obama is a constant political animal and pulls politics into lots of non-political stuff, it was not hard to conclude that he would make this political too. He didn’t. Yay…

    This brings me to a very important point- pick your battles. From a purely political operator perspective, I could see how this could have been set up to trip up conservatives. It was put out early enough, but with no speech, leaving the content to speculation. Conservatives smell blood in the water with Obama’s collapsing numbers, and the Dems failing agenda, so they jumped at the chance to further hammer Obama. Obama released the speech right before and it has nothing controversial in it.

    Now, the hope is that folks will see this and say ‘look at all the hyperbole of the right’. The problem is, Obama is not the best operator, and the ‘lesson plan’ piece really did raise some concern. Which leads me to speculate that this was sincere. Only Obama’s ego would say that a lesson plan is necessary for his speech.

    Regardless, conservatives need to be smarter and judicious in what they focus their energies on.

  115. Conservatism is an ideology, the GOP is a party. Its like liberalism and the Dems, though most Dems actually are liberals. Not so much in the GOP. McCain is not a conservative, neither is Lindsey Ghram or anyone from Maine.

    We had heart ache with Bush too and have been vocal about it. You’re confusing neo-cons with conservatives, which as I explained to the Child before, neo-cons are NOT conservatives- they are in fact liberals (with balls). If you look at neo-con domestic policy, it is pretty liberal in nature. t is only in foreign policy that they split decidedly from liberals, hence the balls comment.

    The Child has much to learn…

  116. Alfie,

    Absolutely right on the czar bit- dumb name for folks already in the system; most of the time. Obama has gotten carried away with his special advisors. Glenn Beck has a list of all of them, who they report to, and obstensibly what cabinet would be focused on the issue otherwise. Most are existing appointees who have been confirmed, but there are some very questionable cats in there too. Obama should have learned from his cabinet selections to be more careful in who he brings forward, unless of course he is that confident that the media will ignore the issue, which he has reason to believe- less Fox of course.

  117. Curator,

    Horiwitz has publically rejected his former beliefs and has admitted their failures. Jones has not, mostly because he does believe those things, he just got caught on tape. You don’t see Jones saying publically that he was wrong then, no, instead he is blaming others for his words and claiming the victim status- typical liberal…

  118. I heard of feckless racist Van while he screeched on about evil whitey concerning the murdering chump Mumia Abu-Jamal.

    Undoubtedly, Curator isn’t as worldly as he believes. What’s new?

    On another subject, anybody else get a hoot out of Sensico grooving on and name dropping about her difficult school curriculum? Last year, she was in Organic Chemistry – now Calculus 2.

    Unless things have changed, she must be working her “tough” schooling backwards.

  119. Gorilla,

    “We are not promoting welfare. We are promoting work. … We are not expanding entitlements. We are expanding enterprise and investment. … We are not trying to redistribute existing wealth. We are trying to reinvent an existing sector, so that we can create NEW wealth – by unleashing innovation and entrepreneurship. This should be common ground.”

    Does that sound like a communist? It is what Jones has been saying for years. He wrote a best seller on these ideas. Was he a radical in his youth…Yes… Did he call himself a communist..Yes

    Does this mean he is STILL a communist. I don’t think so. His writings along with his public speeches says otherwise.

    Bush surrounded himself with neo-conservatives [not conservatives] in his administration. Neo-cons adhere to the teachings of Leo Trotsky, a Marxist.

    Guess it takes all kinds, huh?

  120. That is disgusting. It is also sad but true is it not? Have we had any black kids randomly shoot up a school? I don’t know why that is. The way he puts it doesn’t sit well with me. The Golden Rule in any job is always “thou shalt not embarrass the boss.” Jones violated that rule repeatedly. For him to pretend that his comments, whether past or present, was not the source for his departure and instead that he was done in by “lies” is simply stupid.

  121. Bush surrounded himself with neo-conservatives [not conservatives] in his administration. Neo-cons adhere to the teachings of Leo Trotsky, a Marxist.

    Well, at least we’ve got Curator, Tacit War Hero, admitting that “Colon” Powell is a Marxist. That’s one step in the right direction.

  122. I guess Curator forgot about the D.C. sniper and his son? Another lib and self-loathing whitey with selective memory. Pitiful…

    Anybody know if Curator is aware that black on white crime 400% more prevalent than the reverse? Guess that doesn’t fit the mold, hey Curator?

  123. How about gang violence? I guess randomly shooting a school is bad, whereas drive byh in the neighborhood is normal?

    What is stupid about the statement, aside from the blatant racism, is that is differentiates violence. It implies that school shooting are worse than other forms of violence, and since blacks don’t do that, then some how they’re not as bad.

    As dumb as it is, I’ve come to expect that kind of logic from the left…

  124. Curator,

    You say that this was all in the past, what bearing could it have on the current situation. So, when is the cut off? At what point do we no longer accept past comments? And when are we to know the difference between his “new” ideological position and how do we know that is “old” swtatements don’t reflect his “new” montra? See, this is why your in the past premise is bunk. You, and everyone else- especially those on the left since this will reflect on you for a long time- should be questioning who is advising the President, what makes them qualified and who is controlling their influence.

  125. This is Mohamed ElBaradei’s last year addressing the annual conference of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

    He will not be universally missed. Long chided for being soft on Iran, he goes into this year’s conference amid a diplomatic storm over whether he has deliberately hidden evidence of Iran’s work on a nuclear bomb.

    France and Israel have led the charge against Dr ElBaradei, saying that his latest report on Iran’s nuclear programme omitted evidence that the agency had been given about an alleged covert weaponisation plan.

    The Israeli Foreign Ministry said that the report did not reflect all that the agency knew about Iran’s “efforts to continue to pursue its military programme”.

    France went farther, alleging the existence of an unpublished annexe that addresses the evidence that Iran may be building an atom bomb.

    Bernard Kouchner, the French Foreign Minister, said that France had attended a technical briefing that covered the material, so was surprised to find it missing from the report.

    “In the annexes there are specifically elements which enable us to ask about the reality of an atomic bomb,” he said “There are issues of warheads, of transport.”

    The published section of the report focused more on the positive, noting that Iran had slowed its production of enriched uranium and had agreed to closer monitoring of its plant.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/whoa-france-accuses-outgoing-iaea-chief-elbaradei-of-delibetaly-hiding-details-of-irans-nuke-weaponi.html

    Well when Israel hits Iran, you know who to blame.

  126. For some reason, it says this comment is duplicated. Maybe my memory is failing me.

    So the blog owner not think me completely biased against his floundering, feckless and fickle politic, here’s at least one liberal who makes a great deal of sense to me, and whom I carry a modicum of respect.

    If there were more of her, maybe I might lighten up about how pathetic Bomba and his lackeys are. As it is, they’ll run her out of the progressive party before too long.

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/09/09/healthcare/index.html

  127. That article that Tex linked is, bar none, the link of the summer.

    It so perfectly articulates what I have been trying to convey to Rutherford since the Tea Party, sans f-bombs.

    Sure enough, the Rabbit usually argues for what he believes to be best for this nation and his family.

    However, every now and then Dead Rabbit tries to be an objective observer, motherfucken Alexis de Tocqueville style.

    Rutherford, as the woman asks, “Why did it take so long for Democrats to realize that this year’s tea party and town hall uprisings were a genuine barometer of widespread public discontent and not simply a staged scenario by kooks and conspirators?”

    I can swallow Rutherford disagreeing with Tea Parties and town hall protesters.

    It doesn’t surprise me that Rutherford refused to admit that the discontent was real. Quacks. Astro-turf. The racist fringe.

    No doubt, Rutherford is a good little MSNBC soldier.

    But what leaves me dumbfounded is that Team Obama could get it so wrong for so long.

    Again, I’m not arguing policy here.

    Curator and Rutherford, I understand where your coming from. But do me a favor. Please quit the charade. Your party is not the working man party anymore. It’s not the common man party. You guys are not populists and haven’t been for 20 years.

    I’m not saying the Republican Party is.

    But, please quit acting like you represent the plebeians. You do not.

  128. “Neo-cons adhere to the teachings of Leo Trotsky, a Marxist.”-Curator

    Curator, what do you mean by that?

    Trotsky, differing from Stalin, pushed for world revolution and the elimination of nation’s states.

    Neo-cons push for global democracy, but not the elimination of nation states.

    The neo-cons may be idealist, maybe even Utopian, but to claim their ideology is rooted in Marxism is absurd.

  129. I was busy tonight with my radio show and composing a new post. I’ll catch up on today’s comments tomorrow.

    P.S. Rabbit, are you back to work now that the new school year has started?

  130. What the hell is with Rutherford’s new post.

    How effing pretentious!

    Rutherford’s one win of the summer: Pissed off Americans, sick of government breathing down their necks, acted like paranoid turds over the school speech.

    Never mind the fact that logistically, playing the speech for the kids is beyond tough on the first day of class and the “lesson plans”, the speech was, in fact, great for the kids.

    But look it Rutherford. He acts like Obama has so much omnipotent power, he writes some corny ass message in the bottle, dramatically pretending the speech, if it only could reach it’s target audience, will transform education.

    Cheesy!

  131. Hey DR, welcome back.

    I hope your Mrs. doing fine and Rabbit Jr sleeping a few winks. Congratulations again.

    —————————————–

    I’m with you about Rutherford’s last post – I have truly decided that Rutherford is willingly blind and without much depth of understanding.

    Rutherford just isn’t absorbing that the big brouhaha over Obama’s speech to the kids has nothing to do with race, nothing to do with Obama being the President. It has to do with the fact that at least half the country has now measured Obama and found him to be incapable in thought, direction and trust. Obama is no longer an unknown character and now that America has had time to measure the man, they don’t like what they see.

    Like most Democrats from the left, you Rutherford have again misjudged the message of the last election. You have mistakenly taken that our nation wanted to turn far left. You were wrong. The election last year was not the indicator that America wished to become more like Europe. The message last year was that John McCain a weak candidate and that Americans wanted honesty and leadership, added to the fact we believed the Republican majority had failed us miserably. Obama has provided neither honesty or leadership, and has in fact operated under a veil or secrecy like no other, has been incredibly arrogant in his assumptions, has created strife like no President in memory, and has shown himself unfit for the Presidency.

    He may have been your ideal candidate Rutherford. But now that America has seen your candidate, they have summarily rejected him.

    Most of us simply do not trust the man, his administration, or our government anymore to make sound decisions. The fact that Obama will now be over the U.N. security council, a first for an American President, will add to the mistrust.

    For an educated and obviously intelligent man Rutherford, your perspective about what Americans really want is still incredibly shallow.

  132. “I have truly decided that Rutherford is willingly blind and without much depth of understanding.”

    He is blind but he does understand. He is just so indoctrinated in leftist ideology he rejects anything thats not compatible with it. He knows for instant that we reject Thuggy on ideological grounds but he chooses to accuse those that do as racists because its easier to defeat his opponents. Its the Alinsky way.

  133. (State Department cable) The Department encourages posts to consider organizing an Interfaith Day of Service in their host countries as a way to commemorate the anniversary of the tragic events of September 11, 2001.

    ACTION REQUEST: Posts are encouraged to plan an Interfaith Day of Service to commemorate 9/11 that would send a message of goodwill, cooperation, and shared interest to their host countries and their religious communities. To accommodate posts in countries where Muslims may be observing Ramadan until/about September 19, posts are requested to plan an Interfaith Day of Service between September 11 and October 18, 2009. We encourage you to bring together leaders of different religious backgrounds and identify jointly a priority project. Those leaders would encourage their members to join mission employees and resident Americans in working together on a community project.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/obama-orders-embassies-to-mark-911-with-interfaith-day-of-service.html

    What a friggin insult to the memories of those who died that day. Well guess what? It wasnt an interfaith plan to crash those planes into those buildings. It was just one faith. Screw you Thuggy.

  134. DR,

    Couldn’t you just as well say that Neocons pushed for revolution in the Middle East. Didn’t Irving Kristol the “godfather of neoconservatism”, write an autobiographical essay entitled “Memoirs of a Trotskyist”? Would it be wrong to assume that Kristol learned and based much of his political beliefs from Trotsky?

  135. Obama Might Not Have Talked About ObamaCare During School Speech, But He Sure Did Before It: He Introduced ObamaCare Topic To Students At Wakefeild HS

    (CNSNews.com) – Prior to his nationally broadcast speech to students on Tuesday, President Barack Obama made a pitch for health care reform in a discussion with 40 freshmen at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Va.

    The president traveled to Wakefield High to give a speech on education reform. The speech was posted in advance on the White House Web site to quell fears that the president intended to plug his political agenda to impressionable minds.

    Although the president avoided controversial topics in his speech, he did promote health care reform in a face-to-face discussion at Wakefield High School. Asked by a student how he stays motivated to do his job, Obama replied that his staff gives him 10 letters every day from “ordinary folks.”

    “Some of the stories are really depressing,” Obama told the 40 freshman, who were chosen to meet with the president during freshman orientation, according to school officials.

    “You hear about people who are sick but don’t have health care, and suddenly they get a bill for $100,000, and there’s no way they can pay for it, and they’re about to lose their house. And you’re just reminded that the country is full of really good people who sometimes are going through a hard time,” Obama said.

    “They just need a break. They need a little bit of help. Maybe the way things are set up right now isn’t always fair for people, and that motivates you, because you say, well, I can’t make everything perfect, I can’t prevent somebody from getting sick, but maybe I can make sure that they’ve got insurance so that when they do get sick, they’re going to get some help.”

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/obama-might-not-have-talked-about-obamacare-during-school-speech-but-he-sure-as-shit-did-before-it-h.html

  136. Neo-cons are liberals, but one of the key reasons they fell out with the bulk of liberals was communism- neo-cons are staunch anti-communists. Th other reason was the anti-war movement of the 60’s, neo-cons are also staunch interventionists.

    It is these two reasons that have won them favor. During the Cold War, their anti-communist positions curried favor with Reagan and since GW pulled in many from Reagan’s administration, and since they have been some of the most vocal on the Middle East, they again curied favor.

  137. You are right that they are staunch anti-communists and interventionists, but I object to them being liberal. They belonged to the Democratic party in the 50’s and 60’s but left due to Carters disastrous presidency.

    Irving Kristol said this back in 2003 in the Weekly Standard.

    “the historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be this: to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy.”

    Does that remotely sound liberal?

    The neoconservative identity as a liberal leftist shifted in the 50’s. The Trotskyite core of the neoconservative movement was a group of Jewish “New York Intellectuals” such as Kristol and Norman Podhoretz. Today’s Neocons like Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, I. Lewis Libby, Elliott Abrams who all served in the Bush administration along with think-tank thugs such as Bill Kristol, Michael Ledeen and Donald Kagan have all claimed to be simply “conservatives”— there is nothing conservative about their goals, where they attempted to rearrange the entire Middle East in the interests of Israel.

    Attempt to label these criminals as liberal is foolish.

  138. “The Trotskyite core of the neoconservative movement was a group of Jewish “New York Intellectuals” such as Kristol and Norman Podhoretz.”-curator

    I have to admit, I’m not well versed in the history of “neo-conservatism”. My gut says worrying about the label is about as silly as teenagers arguing over if a rock band is “emo” or “punk”.

    If “neo-cons” were once Trotskyites, who cares. Nobody uses the term neo-con now days to describe Trotskyites.

    In fact, who could possibly be a Trotskyite now days?

    Political factions are fluid.

  139. “Attempt to label these criminals as liberal is foolish.”

    Speaking of criminals, when will the prosecutions start for the thugs that took Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac kickbacks?

  140. True DR… I don’t condone the use of labels to identify anyone. I’ve been guilty of throwing them out just like everybody else.

    Pastor Tex and the Ed Morrissey stooge labels everybody so they can put them in their own little box to readily attack them.

    I had called you and Gorilla right-wing in the past but the more I converse with you two I find that to be wrong and ignorant on my part. I was just trying to refute the claim that Neocons are liberal. I’m more inclined to accept that they may have, at one time been leftist long ago and were a part of the Democratic party to try and thwart liberalism, but as I said they left in droves after the anti-war left of the 60’s and the failures of the Carter administration.

  141. Video: Glenn Beck on the media’s suppression of the Van Jones story
    posted at 7:44 pm on September 8, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    A critical fact that shouldn’t be forgotten: It’s not at all clear that the media buried this story simply to help Obama. I tend to agree with Byron York that, if not for their loathing of Beck and populist conservative media, they might have covered this. A little.

    The first words of the Times’ story on Jones’ resignation were, “In a victory for Republicans and the Obama administration’s conservative critics. …” One news anchor suggested Jones was “the Republican right’s first scalp.” Other coverage called the Jones affair a victory for Glenn Beck, Fox News, right-wing blogs, and even Sarah Palin, who played no role in the matter.

    If you throw in Rush Limbaugh, you have all the bogey-people of the conservative world. To some on the left, including some journalists, denying them a victory was a top priority, no matter what Van Jones had said and done.

    There was a day, not too long ago, when the Times and other influential news organizations could kill a story — could deny the bad guys a win — simply by ignoring it. Sometimes they still try. But it just won’t work anymore.

    Won’t it? If not for his dalliance with 9/11 Truth, Jones would still be our “green jobs” czar, never mind the communist past and the shilling for Mumia and the “Republicans are assholes” comment and so forth. Watch the second clip below, of the boss talking about “wackjob” science czar John Holdren, to see just how powerless new media is. Jones happened to stumble across one of the few political lines that a leftist can’t transgress; Holdren, a former advocate of forced abortions and mass sterilization, is still safely on the other side. And no one will press Obama on it, of course. After all, not one question — not one — was asked about Jones at today’s White House presser.

    Enjoy the czar stuff now because I think Ace is right that Beck is moving on. Next up: The NEA’s propaganda push.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/08/video-glenn-beck-on-the-medias-suppression-of-the-van-jones-story/

    No wonder stooges like Curator never heard of Van Jones

  142. Obama’s advice to students: Be careful about saying nutty things online
    posted at 5:15 pm on September 8, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    Sage words, my friends. Left unmentioned: If you ignore his advice and crank up the crazy, you can always get a job as a czar in the Obama White House. They won’t even Google you.

    Or will they?

    According to several White House sources, Jones was hired for his “green jobs czar” positions over concerns raised by the White House Counsel’s Office, after Jones’s background materials came back with several of what were termed “inconsistencies” in the Standard Form 86 Questionnaire for National Security Positions.

    The counsel’s office places part of the blame on the Office for Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Engagement, which is overseen by Obama Senior Advisor and Assistant to the President Valerie Jarrett. Jones’s “czar” job was created by the OIAPE, and Jarrett interviewed Jones for the position. In speeches before far-left groups over the past five months, Jarrett touted Jones’s hiring, in part, because the groups, many of which count 9/11 truthers and radical environmentalists and anti-capitalists as members, were familiar with Jones’s brand of anti-Americanism and economic radicalism…

    Jarrett did view Jones as a critical member of the administration for her outreach efforts, in part, because he was so well known and respected in the radical-left world the administration is counting on to help with issues like health care and cap and tax, and, more importantly, campaign efforts in 2010.

    The key word there is, of course, “because.” Jones wasn’t hired in spite of his background; he was hired because of it, because he could be counted on to rally the sort of soft-headed fringe-left morons who get off on the idea of a White House advisor with a fringe-left past. Team Barry might not have known specifically about the Truther stuff, but if so, that’s only because they went out of their way not to find out.

    Skip ahead to 1:40 for the key exchange. One other point left unmentioned by The One: If you do screw up badly and embrace a cause that’s utterly obnoxious, you can count on the left to try to mainstream it to save your ass. Exit fun fact: At this same Q&A, Obama evidently told students that he regrets not having studied more math as a kid. I think we all regret it, champ.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/08/obamas-advice-to-students-be-careful-about-saying-nutty-things-online/

    LOL What a dope

  143. Curator, can’t chat now but wanted to let you know I will have a couple comments when I can. Interesting discussion…

  144. Thanks Big Brother.

    LOL, G not quite as big brother as you might think. With every comment I get a link that identifies the ISP, more or less, of the commenter and with that I can make a general guess about location. Nothing stops an American, for example, from using a Canadian based ISP, so it really is purely a guess on my part, albeit an educated one. 🙂

  145. Obama science czar: Redistributionism as the cure for American exceptionalism
    posted at 2:19 pm on September 9, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    I fixed it for you stooge.

  146. Curator, 😆

    When you first got here, I thought you might be a worthy opponent of debate (for a leftist). The more you hang around, the more I find you a major league wienie. I’ll remind you it was you that started as the punk with me, and when you found that I can dish it out better than you in the ad hominem personal insult arena, you have now reverted to playing victim.

    As far as Pastor, well I guess you can call me that but it would be an insult to real pastors. But if you’re going to interject as support for your arguments using Christian scripture, be prepared to be called on it when you show your ignorance.

    I have no idea your capabilities, but I do know two things about you. One, you’re a religious bigot with a chip on your shoulder about the Judeo-Christian faith; not sure why. Two, you’re blatantly anti-Jewish; don’t understand the history of that one either.

    But if you believe anything of Christianity, be forewarned about your hatred of Jews. You are building your house on sand and the flood will soon be arriving. Guaranteed…

  147. “the historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be this: to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy.” From Curator

    Sounds very liberal to me. I mean, the statement drips with liberalism- arrogance, elitism, idealism… 😉

    I would offer this, if the GOP was as conservative today as it was in the 50’s and 60’s, then you may have a point- but todays GOP is not very conservative, which is why conservatives tend to not identify with the party. Sure, we vote for the GOP most of the time, but that is mostly because the alternative sucks even more. We’ve been choosing the lesser of two evils for a very long time…

    Neo-cons have a very small base so they leverage either their domestic or foreign policy initives as needed to garner support from liberals or conservatives respectively. Obama has not stopped the neo-cons. They haven’t been thrown out of town, they still have the meetings, they still lobby policy, and they still get just as much access- if not more- as they had with Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, GW Bush and now Obama. Neo-cons are some slippery types and they get away with it because of labels.

    When liberals are in office, the tend to be identified as moderates, because their domestic policies jive. When consevatives are in office, they’re accurately called neo-cons (ironically by the left) because of the FP they are pushing. There hasn’t been a president yet that could successfully shut them out because every single one has either needed their help domestically or in foreign policy. Till that happens, they will continue to be a significant player in the beltway.

  148. “the historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be this: to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy.” From Curator

    Sounds very liberal to me. I mean, the statement drips with liberalism- arrogance, elitism, idealism… 😉

    I would offer this, if the GOP was as conservative today as it was in the 50’s and 60’s, then you may have a point- but todays GOP is not very conservative, which is why conservatives tend to not identify with the party. Sure, we vote for the GOP most of the time, but that is mostly because the alternative sucks even more. We’ve been choosing the lesser of two evils for a very long time…

    Neo-cons have a very small base so they leverage either their domestic or foreign policy initives as needed to garner support from liberals or conservatives respectively. Obama has not stopped the neo-cons. They haven’t been thrown out of town, they still have the meetings, they still lobby policy, and they still get just as much access- if not more- as they had with Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, GW Bush and now Obama. Neo-cons are some slippery types and they get away with it because of labels.

    When liberals are in office, they tend to be identified as moderates, because their domestic policies jive. When consevatives are in office, they’re accurately called neo-cons (ironically by the left) because of the FP they are pushing. There hasn’t been a president yet that could successfully shut them out because every single one has either needed their help domestically or in foreign policy. Till that happens, they will continue to be a significant player in the beltway.

  149. If nothing else the czarification of American politics is more than a tad anti Constitutional.

    Alfie and Elric, please get over your czar fetish.

    I know you think Rachel Maddow the spawn from hell but she accurately points out that “czars” are not new and created in large part by Republicans — the first by Richard Nixon … watch if you dare.

  150. R whats up with that ??? You have some Cheerios on board or what ?
    The fullness of my czar comments indicate that I’m 1) against czars no matter the party of the Oval occupant. 2) have stated the czars are typically sitting members of the Admin.
    Your dare is out of order and pathetic. You hardly need me for thread count but seriously show some class and intelligence will ya

  151. Gorilla, I agree with your assessment about real Conservatives and the choices that have been provided pertaining to the Presidential elections. This last election was my eight one. The only time I felt I had a dog in the hunt was 20 years ago.

    Rutherford and Curator mistakenly call me a Republican. But I have little loyalty to the Republican party. I consider myself a Conservative first, then only Republican when applying a vote to the lesser of two evils. I was okay with George Bush I, less so with George Bush II. Clinton was a nightmare, but it became a wash when a Republican majority was in Congress elected mostly from Clinton’s incompetence. I could live with that situation now.

    I think John McCain borderline dumb, and though I admire his own life story, hold little regard for him as a Presidential candidate and readily admit he was incredibly weak. It was amazing he lost by as little as he did.

    If there was a party of Libertarians who were more socially conservative, that would be my party. They used to be called Reaganites. We could use a knew major party.

  152. Whats that have to do with czars being unconstitutional Dodger?And whats it have to do with them being marxist, thuggish and ghoulish?

    Try better next time Dodger.I could care less who started them. Thuggy the Marine killer is in power now.

  153. Tex,

    Rutherford and Curator mistakenly call me a Republican. But I have little loyalty to the Republican party. I consider myself a Conservative first, then only Republican when applying a vote to the lesser of two evils. I was okay with George Bush I, less so with George Bush II.

    I’m quite surprised by this. Bush the younger was my “watershed” politician that caused my politics to lean left. I didn’t vote for George W Bush but Al Gore was the first Democrat I ever voted for. As I said in one of my first post, I was a passive Republican having spent time in the military. The most defining factors for my re-posturing political views occurred after Afghanistan and after our invasion of Iraq when things started to fall apart with our Iraq policy. The early mistakes of Rumsfeld and Paul Bremer had huge ramifications I could not overlook. I am a firm believer of the Powell Doctrine so going in with not enough troops has always been a sore spot for me. The Pentagon pointed the finger at the commanders on the ground not asking for more troops while there were several senior U.S. Army officers who had since retired who dispute this saying the Pentagon cut off the planned influx at 9 divisions, regardless of what any commander wanted. Bremmer himself said “we never had enough troops on the ground” to stop the insurgency. The dismissing of the Iraq army and de-bathification under Paul Bremmer created literally thousands of unemployed former soldiers to roam the streets of Baghdad.

    It was at this time that many many people in government, academia, the media, and the public at large started to question the what, who and why of our occupation of Iraq but were they given answers? No… they were labeled as traitors, un-American, and siding with the terrorist. All people initially did was ask fucking questions of our government, but what did the Bush government and their conservative handlers do? They suggested that some of them are “openly cheering” for terrorists to kill American troops. This baseless, reckless, and divisive hate speech went uncriticized for years. A point needs to be made here; the anti-war left will ALWAYS protest war, but moderates in the middle like myself just wanted answers and THIS is what they got. Isn’t it our obligation to ask questions of our government…ANY government?

    In December of 2004 Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld held a “town hall” meeting in Kuwait, in which an American soldier asked Rumsfeld about the military’s insufficient supply of vehicle armor.

    “Why do we soldiers have to dig through local landfills for pieces of scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass to up-armor our vehicles?” Army Spc. Thomas Wilson asked.

    What was the response from the conservative Right to Spc. Wilson’s question? “He’s a traitor”…”He’s a liberal plant”…”He’s aiding and abetting the enemy”.

    WTF AND PULLLLLEEEESE!

    What was so wrong for a soldier to ask a question?

    What gives any American the right to call any other American a traitor, much less one of our soldiers?

    For conservatives to accuse our own American soldier’s risking their lives to fight in Iraq as traitors was pretty much the last straw for me.

    Since I pretty much identified the GOP with conservatives, that meant I was done with the GOP. I won’t trust them for years to come.

  154. Curator,

    There was no doubt mistakes made concerning the Iraq War. I do not excuse those mistakes as it reprehensible to leave soldiers in a lurch and ill equipped. If true, then I find those actions inexcusable and understand your outrage. There is nothing wrong with any soldier asking any question to any rank but one. Why are we here? If he asks that question, then he should recuse himself from the military.

    You and I can argue about the justification of the Iraq War. You feel it was senseless – I feel it long overdue. I can justify my reasoning twenty different ways and still not have mentioned WMD. To each their own, but once the decision is made and the war just, you go to win. If you were honest, you would admit that many Democrats and their lackeys in the media did everything in their power to have us lose that war. And yes, I feel there are many liberals of which you may not be one that would put political points above even the soldiers of our country if it would allow them gain advantage. That is how poorly I think of many of your crowd.

    I too agree with the Powell Doctrine – how many of us wouldn’t? And that is the only thing I agree with Colin Powell about. I find him otherwise despicable and not worthy of praise.

    However, mistakes have been made in every war. The fact is that this was a very different war being fought.

  155. Curator

    Sorry, for some reason that last post wouldn’t let me continue and froze.

    I say it was different because American soldiers were being called on to fight a more difficult war than simply deposing Saddam. We did that in three weeks. But we walked a fine line by making the attempt to bring some stability, or at the very least, the start of stability where none has existed. We attempted to do that once in Vietnam and failed because we as a nation refused to stomach carrying through with what needed to be done. When we left, millions were slaughtered on that account. Funny how you are willing to excuse Democrats of that mess, yet will find fault with the mistakes in Iraq.

    There are many differences between Vietnam and Iraq but the largest is that this time we didn’t tuck tail and we won. Maybe it is time for you to admit that no matter what happens from this day forward, whether you agree with the war or not, George Bush and the U.S. military won the war and decimated much of AQ in the process. Add to the fact, we did it on hostile soil and our citizens remained safe after 9/11. The war was a given – fight it here or fight it there. Add to the fact that Saddam was hanged is almost secondary now.

    History writes a very different story than the present and there may come a day you recognize that you may have misjudged and your criticisms, while valid initially, were proven wrong when considering the totality.

  156. I don’t know how this is logically possible, but I agree with the main points of both Tex and Curator in the above exchange.

    While I feel some on the left were actually hoping we would lose the war and some on the right were censoring critical analysis by throwing the ” traitor” word around too quickly, I ultimately believe Bush earned his low approval numbers.

    (Rabbit note: I believe a fair response to my assessment is to say “who cares” as approval numbers are not an end to itself.)

    I believe Tex is correct. The war in Iraq was justifiable without betting the farm on WMD. The fact we did so may very well have terrible ramifications even when “considering the totality”. A weaken creditability in this expanding world of rogue states aspiring to go nuclear is bad, bad news.

    The “mission accomplished” stunt on the aircraft carrier was a result of hubris run amok. While maybe this stunt was small change in the big scheme of things, it still embarrassed the hell out of the Rabbit.

    I believe those two mistakes, mixed in with Curator’s correct critique of the piss poor war time strategy of de-Ba’athization (I made that word up) made it rightfully rain on Bush.

    However, the left’s response to these mistakes were to cut and run. Obama dissed the surge, as did most of the Democratic Party. Cutting and running would have created an Al Queda Godzilla.

    Thank God for Bush.

  157. 20 years from now, I truly believe Bush will go down in history as the President who stomped Al Queda’s ass. I would even say that Bush sticking to his guns, even when he was wrong, saved our asses.

    7 years without an Al Queda attack. I can’t see how the left doesn’t give at least a little love to Bush for that.

    We have killed so many of the cockroaches since 9/11. And we did so with minor civilian casualties (and for that matter even military) when modern warfare is statistically put in perspective and the depth of challenge we faced is examined.

    We water-boarded a couple dudes, blew cigar smoke and rightfully told the mastermind of 9/11 that we would kill his fucking family if we were hit again. Some Army weirdos got perverted running a prison which we all got to witness thanks to the digital era. They shamed every vet and our country.

    But, for all the roll-up-your-sleeves-real-world- dirty work that had to go down the day those towers collapsed, l would say the last 7 years have been pretty clean.

    I can understand the bad taste the last 7 years have given guys like Rutherford, with their PG rated world view.

    However, I’m surprised Curator, a man I’m willing to bet has been in a fist fight or two, has such a shit stain in his panties over Gitmo and water-boarding that fuck wad.

    You guys act like Bush masterminded a holocaust. Dude did what needed to be done, sometimes brilliantly, sometimes like a dummy. It aint easy, as Obama is finding out himself.

  158. My post wasn’t to oppose or defend the Iraq invasion, but just to reveal my abhorrent feeling towards right-wing conservatives when they in turn accused other Americans as traitors for no other reason than their questioning the Bush administration. As for Vietnam, I could fault every President going back to Truman for our involvement there. We should not have stuck our nose in places it did not belong. Uncle Ho was a communist… so what. He wanted Vietnam for the Vietnamese, and not under any colonial ruler whether that ruler is French or American. I would say he was more of a fervent nationalist more than a communist, and when he came to us for help ( he was our ally at the time) in 1945 against the French we backed the wrong horse. I seem to remember Nixon and Ford being in control of Foreign Policy for seven years before Saigon fell. Who should the blame finger get pointed at?

    Although President Bush put forth various justifications for the war (moving goal posts) the first and (IMHO) the only worthwhile one was the claim of WMD, and was probably the only one the American people supported along with the now bogus claim that Saddam was a terrorist threat to America. We won in Iraq. I have heard this over and over again. What did we win? Another Iranian satellite in the Middle East? Maybe they can keep Hezbollah company. Maybe we can all just forget the origins of the Islamic Dawa party in Iraq, you know the one that Prime Minister al-Maliki belongs to, the one that our own government charged was ”clearly connected”, as was Hezbollah, to the Marine barracks bombings in Beirut. We won in Iraq, maybe by way of Petraeus handing guns out to Sunni militants and bribed them not to use the weapons on anybody but al Qaeda in Iraq, the all but non-existent group that at its zenith contained fewer than 1,000 full time fighters and whose only real connection with the al Qaeda that gave us 9/11 amounted to stealing its frickin name. The Sunni Arabs were largely ethnically cleansed from Baghdad, with de facto US support. Maybe we won because the 190,000 AK-47 rifles and pistols lost by Petraeus found there way into the hands of Shiite militants who then killed all the Sunni’s in Baghdad?

    Some people want to believe very badly that a disaster was somehow worthwhile.

  159. “but just to reveal my abhorrent feeling towards right-wing conservatives when they in turn accused other Americans as traitors for no other reason than their questioning the Bush administration.”

    Sounds familiar doesnt it hypocrite?

  160. And some people want to believe very badly that something worthwhile was a disaster.

    You make a strong case against the war. You are predicting an Iranian satellite.

    I hope you are wrong.

    However, would you have not invaded Iraq given the intelligence and the smoldering WTC?

    Saddam pretended to have WMD.

    It was a brazen game of chicken that made war unavoidable.

    I’ll make a prediction too.

    Iran, as we know it, won’t exist 7 years from now, making your Iranian satellite theory moot.

    Meanwhile, we bitchslapped an evil terrorist organization that derives its power and prestige from succesfully taking down Empires (Russians in Afghanistan).

    We also, although unintentionally, stoked the flame of inner Islamic conflict. Dividing and conquering these terrorist monsters, taking the steam out of Osama’s dream of a pan-Islamic caliphate and smearing his message.

  161. “Iran, as we know it, won’t exist 7 years from now, making your Iranian satellite theory moot. ”

    Might be sooner than that. Israel will be hitting Iran hard real soon.

    “Dividing and conquering these terrorist monsters, taking the steam out of Osama’s dream of a pan-Islamic caliphate and smearing his message.”

    You already have the makings of it with the OIC. And of course the UN makes a nice puppet as well.

  162. However, would you have not invaded Iraq given the intelligence and the smoldering WTC?

    The President of the United States.

    Mr Speaker, Mr Vice President Cheney, members of Congress, and the American people:

    September 11th was a horrible experience for America. We have successfully driven the Taliban from power in Afghanistan, and we are still looking for Osama bin-Laden in the hills of Tora Bora, but we still have a familiar enemy on the horizon. Iraq was not responsible for 9/11, nor are they linked to al Qaeda, but Saddam is a bad guy who treats his people horribly. We believe he gassed his own people in 1988 at the end of the Iran/Iraq war even though there is belief that Iraq is not known to have possessed the cyanide-based blood agents determined to have been responsible for the deaths of thousands of Kurdish people. In fact our own State Department in the immediate aftermath of the incident, took the official position based on examination of available evidence that Iran was partly to blame, but I digress… Saddam is a bad guy and he has broken UN resolution over and over. So for those reasons we need regime change in Iraq, and I’m willing to send our brave soldiers into a preventive war to effect regime change in Iraq. God Bless our troops, and God bless the United States of America.

    Yeah that would have worked.

    (sarcasm off)

  163. Curator,

    So what would you have done with Iraq and their continuing thumbing their noses at 16 U.N. resolutions for 12 years? For Saddam housing Abu Nidal? For Saddam paying 25K per Jew killed to Palestian terrorists? I can go on and on and can add that every world leader thought Saddam had WMD. I thought guys like you worshiped at the altar of the U.N. as ultimate judge and jury?

    If the U.N. is going to set resolutions and then they count for nothing, then perhaps in your zeal to criticize conservatives both Jew and Christian alike, perhaps you would at least be man enough to admit the U.N. feckless and the U.S. should remove them from the premises?

    If the military is your main beef with Republicans, perhaps you can explain to me as ex-military why you believe the Democratic party deserves your loyalty?

  164. The Democrats don’t deserve my loyalty, and my beef isn’t with Republicans…. it’s with Conservatives who accuse other Americans of “siding with terrorist”, or “openly cheering” for terrorists to kill American troops.

    The UN has been toothless for decades. GHWB and Truman were the only Presidents to get them to function worth a damn.

    We had our chance to get rid of Saddam back in 1991 after the Gulf War ended. Every major city except for Mosul fell into rebel hands in the North and South. The U.S. had a role in instigating the uprisings, in fact Bush called for an uprising of the Iraqi people and knew the Kurdish and Shiite’s were itching to throw Saddam out. I’m sure Iraqi’s probably anticipating U.S. support. Why Bush didn’t act is beyond me. We could have provided air cover, logistics, operational support and had Iraqi’s overthrow their own government.

  165. Bush didn’t act because people like Colin Powell threw in the towel and talked him out of taking out Saddam because they were just sure he would be overthrown. Fair point on your behalf. Just make sure you toss the blame not to depose of Saddam on the right people – including your General Powell, who is far more politician and less soldier.

    You say you hate conservatives because of your past military experience and what your perceive as false pretense. Yet if you were to survey the majority of soldiers at every level, you would find them overwhelmingly Conservative. Perhaps you don’t know as much as they do?

    And you can add me to list of people to hate calling themselves Conservative, because I do believe there are a passel of Americans who are so amoral that they do root against America, including accusing their own country of imperalism – a completely bogus charge. And yes, I do find them traitorous.

    My “conservative” general and real war hero General Norman Schwarzkopf is the one who wanted to take Saddam out in ’91.

  166. We could have let Stormin Norman do what he wanted to do. I remember reading some where that he said he could be in Baghdad in two days. We will never know what the outcome would have been. I still would have backed Bush the elder to let the Shiites and Kurds do the heavy lifting themselves internally within Iraq itself.

    I hate sourcing Wikipedia but this says different concerning who was swaying who on not pressing on to Baghdad.

    There was some criticism of the Bush administration for its decision to allow Saddam Hussein to remain in power, rather than pushing on to capture Baghdad and overthrowing his government. In their co-written 1998 book, A World Transformed, Bush and Brent Scowcroft argued that such a course would have fractured the alliance and would have had many unnecessary political and human costs associated with it.

    In 1992, the United States Secretary of Defense during the war, Dick Cheney, made the same point:

    I would guess if we had gone in there, I would still have forces in Baghdad today. We’d be running the country. We would not have been able to get everybody out and bring everybody home. And the final point that I think needs to be made is this question of casualties. I don’t think you could have done all of that without significant additional U.S. casualties, and while everybody was tremendously impressed with the low cost of the (1991) conflict, for the 146 Americans who were killed in action and for their families, it wasn’t a cheap war. And the question in my mind is, how many additional American casualties is Saddam (Hussein) worth? And the answer is, not that damned many. So, I think we got it right, both when we decided to expel him from Kuwait, but also when the President made the decision that we’d achieved our objectives and we were not going to go get bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq.[57]

  167. Wiki may be great for science and sports facts. It’s not trustworthy concerning politics and war as too much based on opinion of the author.

    Curator, I’m old enough to have had kids at that time and specifically remember (when I mistakenly thought Colin Powell a moral man) Colin Powell saying, “If you overthrow him (Saddam), you own it.” There may have been many others of the same opinion, including Dick Cheney, and the allies did not favor it as well, but there is no doubt Colin Powell’s opinion carried a great deal of weight in us leaving Iraq too early.

    Point number 14 for overthrowing Saddam – shortly after the Gulf War, he again slaughtered the Kurds for their threat of independence after agreeing not to. We should be ashamed of ourselves and how quickly we forget.

  168. You say you hate conservatives because of your past military experience…

    Dude where are you getting this from?

    …hate?

    ab·hor·rent – : strongly opposed: : not agreeable: : being so repugnant as to stir up positive antagonism.

    ….past military experience?

    Are you creating a straw man by putting words in my mouth?

  169. I think you are mixing up your wars. Powell and Armitage called this the Pottery Barn rule: “You break it, you own it.” He said this to George W Bush, not his father.

  170. Oh Curator,

    Quit trying to make issue with your overused injection of the logical fallacy arguments. That’s what the pseudo-educated left provides to make the attempt to sound bright. If you prefer abhor to hate, so be it. The fact is you’ve got an “intense” dislike. That better?

    I think you’re wrong about the “positive antagonist” being you have yet to answer any of my questions, instead focusing on pedantic rite. I hope even with me now being completely civil, you still aren’t providing answers?

    The phrase “you break it, you own it” may have been coined after the Gulf War – that I don’t remember. But it was paraphrased from Powell’s convincing Bush Sr. that occupying Baghdad would become our problem; of that, I’m sure.

  171. That one sentence doesn’t make much sense. Let me try again as I get frustrated trying to get a direct answer, then I start rambling.

    Even with me now being civil, you aren’t providing answers… However, you’ve got company. Rutherford is now backed into the corner so far because of Obama’s obvious ineptness, he can’t even bluff his way out – he doesn’t even attempt to answer questions. Elric is absolutely correct in calling him Dodger.

  172. “I do believe there are a passel of Americans who are so amoral that they do root against America, including accusing their own country of imperalism”-Tex

    Amen to that.

    I won’t even get into a discussion with the millions of college weenies that spew that Noam Chomsky froth.

    If we were imperialists gas would be 80 cents a gallon.

    Imperialists did things like chop hands off by the millions. (Belgians)

    We sell nasty fucking hamburgers and corn syrup drinks.

    We are the first powerhouse in world history who didn’t try to militarily take over the world. Pretty amazing stuff.

  173. Unless things have changed, she must be working her “tough” schooling backwards.

    I’m just now trying to get through all the collected comments and odds are since everyone has moved on to my new threads, this comment won’t even be seen …. but …

    C’mon Tex, that cheap shot was unworthy of you. You have absolutely no idea what is taught in her Calculus 2 class or how it relates to organic chemistry. So your assumption that one course should be taken before another is just plain silly.

    You guys call Sensico a child when your arguments against her don’t even get beyond fifth grade.

  174. Regarding czars, the Rachel Maddow vid I posted earlier is all that need be said although I did appreciate Curator’s elaboration on the number of outright criminals GW appointed as czars. That was a hoot! 🙂

  175. Anybody know if Curator is aware that black on white crime 400% more prevalent than the reverse? Guess that doesn’t fit the mold, hey Curator?

    What a bonehead. It fits the mold perfectly. Poor people steal from rich people. What is hard to understand there? Of course, rich people steal from middle class people but that’s another topic entirely.

    And while I don’t have the stats, black on black crime is pretty bad too.

    (Besides, why do white people need to commit formal crimes against blacks … all they have to do is pass them over for promotions, not hire them, not pick them up in taxi’s, keep them out of the country clubs …. need I go on?)

  176. I think we are getting away from the point that these positions are unconstitutional

    We’re getting away from the point because it is a dumbass point. Unconstitutional? Tell it to
    Nixon
    Ford
    Carter
    Reagan
    Bush
    Clinton
    and Bush

  177. Cheesy!

    Hey, maybe guilty as charged. Perhaps I don’t know how to write to high school age students? Rabbit, you’re a teacher … could probably have done a better job.

    But you know as well as I that I also wanted to send a message to adults that they’ve been suckered by the fear-mongers.

    I doubt a single high school kid actually read the post but I hope one did.

  178. For an educated and obviously intelligent man Rutherford, your perspective about what Americans really want is still incredibly shallow.

    I love your hubris that you speak for America. Get real. When I write, my opinions are my own. I don’t claim to speak for anyone.

    The fact remains that not wanting your child to see a video of the POTUS that is aimed at a pro-education message, is disgusting.

    And please …. don’t throw George HW Bush in my face. Bush 41 got raked over the coals because dems felt that his speech was a poor excuse for not doing a damn thing about education. Should they have investigated the matter … no. Dumb idea. But they didn’t oppose the speech on the grounds of potential indoctrination. Bush-Obama is an apples-oranges comparison.

    Nice try … no cigar.

  179. he chooses to accuse those that do as racists because its easier to defeat his opponents.

    I don’t recall calling too many of you racists, if any. Now, stupid, misguided, heartless, paranoid? Yeah maybe. I can go to lots of other adjectives before I ever need to get to racist where you’re concerned.

    Others (like good ole Joe Wilson), that’s another story. 🙂

  180. “We’re getting away from the point because it is a dumbass point. Unconstitutional?”

    Thuggy is in right now. Sorry I cant go into the wayback machine and bitch then. But I see you dodged that its unconstitutional. But then you are always a dumbass when you do find the courage to answer.

  181. Asked by a student how he stays motivated to do his job, Obama replied that his staff gives him 10 letters every day from “ordinary folks.”

    Did you bother to read that Elric? He answered a question.

  182. Thuggy killed 4 Marines.

    This is the kind of ass-hattery that passes for analysis in Elric’s world.

    Do we really want to compare Obama induced body count to Bush? Don’t be a fool.

  183. Rutherford,

    You’ve gone from livable lib, to black victimhood and whiner, to sniveling asshole with a colossal chip on your shoulder over Obama’s miserable performance. You don’t handle criticism very well. You thought it great sport 10 months ago, but now the shoe on the other foot, you’re imploding. I love it.

    C’mon Tex, that cheap shot was unworthy of you. You have absolutely no idea what is taught in her Calculus 2 class or how it relates to organic chemistry. So your assumption that one course should be taken before another is just plain silly.

    As usual, you’re uninformed in the dark. I do know about the school curriculum, being both my oldest daughter and I just completed it in the last three years. Sensico is blowhard. If her writing an indicator, she couldn’t get through Organic Chemistry to save her life.

  184. For an educated and obviously intelligent man Rutherford, your perspective about what Americans really want is still incredibly shallow.

    I love your hubris that you speak for America. Get real. When I write, my opinions are my own. I don’t claim to speak for anyone.

    😆 😆 😆

    Check the poll numbers asshole – take a look at a graph of the Bomba results? you like that exponential curve downward? The only thing falling faster than your charlatan of a magic man is the last harpoon Bomba launched into the civilian Paki population. His aim is worse than Clinton’s. 😉

  185. “Do we really want to compare Obama induced body count to Bush?”

    Im talking about Thuggy changing the ROE in Afghanistan that directly lead to 4 Marines being killed……Fool

  186. “Did you bother to read that Elric? He answered a question.”

    You make it sound like its an accomplishment. I guess it is if he doesnt lie while answering it.

  187. “You thought it great sport 10 months ago, but now the shoe on the other foot, you’re imploding. I love it.”

    I love it too. Could you imagine if Thuggy was treated in the same degree Bush was by the press and the demomarxists. This is nothing compared to what Bush endured. And still Dodger is crying like a little girl. Well so is his fascist leader.

  188. 7 years without an Al Queda attack.

    Rabbit, you hear about the 29 year old woman who was recently freed from her captors after some 18 years in captivity? She was snatched off the street at age 11. The mofo who kept this girl in a friggin’ tent in the backyard was visited repeatedly by his parole officer during this time and no one suspected a thing. Does that piss you off? Pisses me off.

    Many if not most of the 9/11 kamikazes learned how to fly here in the US of fuc*in’ A!!! You and many conservatives (led most vocally lately by Dick Cheney) talk about us being safe the past 7 years but we wouldn’t have had to walk around looking over our shoulder those seven years if we hadn’t made that teeny tiny mistake back on 9/11/2001. I’m writing this as the eighth anniversary is coming to a close and I can only imagine the rage that some 9/11 widows and families feel when Cheney brags about keeping us safe. Where the f*ck was he when our intelligence failed so miserably?

    I don’t “blame” Bush for 9/11. I truly believe it could have happened on anyone’s watch. But don’t say in the aftermath of the worst homeland security breach in our history that you kept our country safe. You didn’t.

  189. Meanwhile, we bitchslapped an evil terrorist organization that derives its power and prestige from succesfully taking down Empires (Russians in Afghanistan).

    If I’m not mistaken we helped them take down the Russians in Afghanistan because of our commie-phobia. I think even Gorilla acknowledged that in another thread,

  190. Dick Cheney, made the same point:

    In fact, the Cheney of old actually referred to Iraq as a quagmire. Amazing how having a couple of your skyscrapers destroyed changes your perspective.

    I’ve heard more than one person say that after 9/11 Cheney was a changed man. Scared the living sh*t out of him and he threw all reason to the wind. Kill the bastards before they kill us, and don’t worry too much about identifying the right bastards.

  191. he doesn’t even attempt to answer questions. Elric is absolutely correct in calling him Dodger.

    Been busy dude. For one thing, your dumbass Repub’s gave me enough fodder to just keep writing new posts, giving me less time to focus on comments. I’m playing catchup as we speak.

  192. We are the first powerhouse in world history who didn’t try to militarily take over the world. Pretty amazing stuff.

    I agree with you on the take over the world part. But I do have to ask you, as Ron Paul would, why do we have so many friggin soldiers in so many places?

  193. But I see you dodged that its unconstitutional.

    Show me where in the constitution “czars” are prohibited. You can’t do it. The founding fathers didn’t come up with every single angle that might eventually play into governing. If it’s so “unconstitutional” why, going all the way back to Nixon, has it never been legally challenged?

    More bloviation from the WZ Pimp.

  194. “I agree with you on the take over the world part. But I do have to ask you, as Ron Paul would, why do we have so many friggin soldiers in so many places?”

    Because we fill vacuums and keep the world secure so we can buy and sell shit. That and we’re fricking stupid. I have no idea why we have troops in Germany, for example.

  195. “But don’t say in the aftermath of the worst homeland security breach in our history that you kept our country safe. You didn’t.”-R

    Me and you are so different. I don’t care if you think Cheney sucks or not. I’m not worrying about Cheney’s legacy. Yeah, Clinton and Bush dropped the ball pre 9/11.

    I’m putting the War on Terror in perspective, and you, as usual, are playing comic book with me, this time going after your favorite villains.

    Fair enough. Bush dropped the ball September 10th and should be lambasted. Now can we talk about the War on Terror?

  196. “By all means do your research and quote me Elric.”

    I cant remember which thread but Tex knows what I am talking about. Besides, if I did find it you would ignore it or try your leftist BS to spin it.

    If Tex can find it more power to him.

  197. “Show me where in the constitution “czars” are prohibited.”

    Thats how friggin stupid you are. If its not prohibited, it must mean its allowed, right?

    “The founding fathers didn’t come up with every single angle that might eventually play into governing.”

    Thats because they wanted limited government.

    “If it’s so “unconstitutional” why, going all the way back to Nixon, has it never been legally challenged?”

    Probably the same reason many unconstitutional programs havent been challenged. Now show me where the Constitution says ITS ALLOWED. If its not specifically in there, its not Constitutional. You really are a moron, arent you?

  198. LOL Elric you have a lot of nerve jumping on Sensico when your arguments demonstrate you never got out of grammar school.

    It would take a full semester college course to review all the examples in which government has implemented things not explicitly spelled out in the Constitution.

    Let’s play silly since that’s what you’re good at. I say that driving on the right side of the road is unconstitutional!!! I mean, really, show me where in the Constitution it explicitly says that we should reject the driving pattern of the country that spawned us, and start driving on the right side of the road?

    I think I’m going to start a petition!!!

    Damn while I am at it, I’m gonna start a protest about concord grape pop tarts!!! They used to make them. They were my favorite flavor. Then they got discontinued. Not fair … and by golly, not constitutional!! Where in the Constitution does it say that a company can just up and kill a flavor of its product to the great dismay of consumers?

    Ohhhhhh the humanity!!!! 🙂

  199. “Let’s play silly since that’s what you’re good at. I say that driving on the right side of the road is unconstitutional!!!”

    I guess you are too stupid to understand the difference between driving on the right side of the road or flavored pop tarts to an unconstitutional function of government in the executive branch.

    “It would take a full semester college course to review all the examples in which government has implemented things not explicitly spelled out in the Constitution.”

    The Constitutional ones are called AMENDMENTS. I guess you didnt make it past kindergarten.

    Oh and Tex, feel free to join the fun. 🙂

  200. Elric66 says: “The Constitutional ones are called AMENDMENTS. I guess you didnt make it past kindergarten. ”

    Hmmm…. despite my apparently substandard education I do know that the Supreme Court is the authority on what is constitutional – and further that court has historically given broad latitude to congress in interpreting the term “provide for the general welfare” (from Article I) in funding projects not explicitly mentioned in the constitution. We could (as Rutherford says) provide plenty of case law in support – but instead why don’t we just note that the government continues to support programs such as, say, NASA, with little or no worry about a constitutional challenge?

    So – I guess my kindergarten was just way better than yours….

    — hippieprof

  201. “I do know that the Supreme Court is the authority on what is constitutional”

    Like slavery?

    “So – I guess my kindergarten was just way better than yours….”

    I doubt that

    “but instead why don’t we just note that the government continues to support programs such as, say, NASA, with little or no worry about a constitutional challenge?”

    You drones just keep grasping at straws dont you? We are talking about Cabinet like positions in the government with Cabinet like powers that bypass Congressional approval thats accountable only to the president. If you see nothing wrong or unconstitutional about it, you are as much a drone as Dodger. And this coming from the people against the Patriot Act. Hypocrisy.

  202. “Where in the Constitution does it say that a company can just up and kill a flavor of its product to the great dismay of consumers?”

    Dodger has had some dumbass arguments but this has to be his finest hour. He cant even see the difference between the Constitution’s role in spelling out how our government is to be structured and the various roles and limits and a private company’s business decision on what flavors its product will have.

  203. Elric says:

    “Like slavery?”

    Yes – like slavery. Yes – like awarding Florida to Bush in 2000.

    I merely note that the Supreme Court holds the authority, not that I always agree with their decisions.

    So – show me the place in the constitution where it says “The President may only be advised by Cabinet officers.”

    Then show me a president who has only received advice from Cabinet officers.

    This is all just smoke – an attempt to distract conversation away from the real issues.

    — hippieprof

  204. “So – show me the place in the constitution where it says “The President may only be advised by Cabinet officers.”

    Still grasping at straws I see. If it doesnt state the president can have czars, it means he cant. I guess you dont understand the concept of limited government.

    “This is all just smoke – an attempt to distract conversation away from the real issues.”

    No its not. Perhaps you drones want Thuggy to have his own private shadow government but the real American people want the Constitution followed.

    “Then show me a president who has only received advice from Cabinet officers.”

    We arent talking about advisors, we arre talking about marxists being put in positions with real power. But you already know that.

  205. Elricc said: “We arent talking about advisors, we arre talking about marxists being put in positions with real power. But you already know that.”

    Yeah…. just like McCarthy’s 205 known communists in the state department…..

    …then again, I suspect you are one of those who thinks McCarthy was screwed – in which case there really is little point in trying to have a rational discussion here….

    — hippieprof

  206. Have not the “czars” historically been pretty ineffective ? I think of the first couple I ever really knew about (those being drug and education under R) and I’m pretty much assured of my opinion.

    I do have to say though that czars,envoys etc. indeed run on a line that flirts with violating Constitutional points. I think those two points are what is being lost by the opposing sides.

    I also want to take the time to address R previous statement when he tossed out the ice cream flavor line.
    What flavors do you think the various health insurance carriers,those private enterprises, will be told to make or remove from their menus ?

  207. hippieprof said…

    Then show me a president who has only received advice from Cabinet officers.

    Too right there but I’m curious if you’d concede,debate or discuss that that is exactly some of the worst stuff we’ve experienced.
    I think of JFK’s bond with his brother Bobby or Hilary and the healthcare fiasco or just to be bipartisan Rove. Anything ???

  208. and not to pick on you but hippieprof said…

    Yeah…. just like McCarthy’s 205 known communists in the state department…..

    I find this a curious thing to throw into the circle but not without interest. Could you build on it ?
    Just under a year ago I read a book on McCarthy that looked at the newspapers role in his whole show. I don’t remember the title but it was very interesting.

  209. I guess you dont understand the concept of limited government.

    And I guess you don’t understand that it is a concept. It is NOT the way our country necessarily operates. The Founding Fathers themselves differed as to the degree to which government should be “limited”.

    Elric, you are friggin’ hilarious! You really believe that your image of the United States is actually what the US is. Sorry dude but everyone doesn’t share your “concept”.

    And thanks to Hippieprof for providing NASA as an example. I deliberately chose absurd examples to prove how zany Elric really is but the NASA example made the point much better.

    Really Elric … why didn’t our “limited government” leave it up to private enterprise to get us on the moon?

  210. “Really Elric … why didn’t our “limited government” leave it up to private enterprise to get us on the moon?”

    Must be why we havent been back in almost 40 years.

    BTW You find out where in the Constitution that Presidents are allowed unlimited czars? These strawmen arguments are getting tiresome.

  211. Lawson,

    Not to belabor a dumb side-topic but … you and your daughter went to Sensico’s college? Didn’t know that.

    Not to answer a dumb question with a dumb answer, but I thought even a quota hire might recognize Calc II comes a full year and a half before Org II in any normal curriculum. In fact, the two are not even related, being the most difficult math you will do in Org II is understanding logarithmic scales.

    Now as confused as that broad is (and knowing full well I don’t believe a word she pens), I suppose that she could be jumping around simply taking classes. But that is certainly not the norm, to take difficult subjects out of order for grins.

  212. Alfie…

    (regarding McCarthy)

    I was merely pointing out that McCarthy was adept (or thought he was adept) at finding commies hiding in every closet. A lot of right-wingers seem to be suggesting that all of Obama’s advisers are indeed commies – I am just drawing that parallel.

    — hippieprof

  213. “A lot of right-wingers seem to be suggesting that all of Obama’s advisers are indeed commies.”

    Given that Thuggy himself is a marxist, its only logical. He also loves thugs, racists, ghouls and advocates of eugenics.

  214. Elric,

    I hear that “racist” comment coming from your side a lot and I don’t get it. Can you elaborate a bit on why you think Obama is a racist?

    That is a sincere question – I am interested in hearing the argument behind that claim.

    — hippieprof

  215. hippieprof,

    You think Jeremiah Wright is a racist? If so, explain to me how a sitting President sits in the pew 20 years, many of those with children in tow, calling Jeremiah his spiritual adviser, without at least sharing a core set of beliefs? If you can deny that with a straight face, then I can state unequivocally that all of David Duke’s closest associates love blacks.

    Trust me – Bomba hates all whites that don’t share his beliefs.

    In addition, McCarthy did find communists as most of his claims now substantiated. While you may shriek like a wild banshee about the source, please prove its documentation wrong:

    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17401

  216. “Can you elaborate a bit on why you think Obama is a racist.”

    He attended a racist church for 20 years and hired racists such as Van Jones. Plus he loves to play the race card.

  217. That is a sincere question – I am interested in hearing the argument behind that claim.

    Hippieprof you haven’t been here long enough to learn that Elric does not present arguments. He calls names, quotes liberally from fringe web sites like WeaselZippers and then basically tags on a “yeah, what he said”.

    You might have better luck getting an “argument” from Tex.

    Of course Tex buys into the media BS that Wright was Obama’s “spiritual adviser”. Sorry, I call that nonsense. Wright was the preacher in the church Obama attended … a church I maintain, that Obama attended for mostly political reasons. For anyone to believe that Wright said something crazy every Sunday for 20 years is to believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy. Assuming Tex attends his church regularly (do you Tex?) I find it equally hard to believe that in the X number of years that Tex has attended church, that his minister has never said something that Tex raised an eyebrow at … especially Tex who despite his devoutness, actually takes very little on faith.

  218. Given that Thuggy himself is a marxist, its only logical. He also loves thugs, racists, ghouls and advocates of eugenics.

    Hey Elric, don’t you think we should wait until Halloween to determine if Obama loves ghouls? LOL 😀

    P.S. I guess Janet Napolitano is secretly a goblin right Elric? Boooooooooooooooooooooo! 👿

  219. Just under a year ago I read a book on McCarthy that looked at the newspapers role in his whole show.

    Alfie, was the premise of the book that the media fanned the McCarthy flame?

    If so, I think there is a tremendous parallel to today’s predicament. The media (both MSNBC and Fox) have not helped the situation, playing on the polarization within our society for the sake of ratings and making it worse not better.

  220. I also want to take the time to address R previous statement when he tossed out the ice cream flavor line.
    What flavors do you think the various health insurance carriers,those private enterprises, will be told to make or remove from their menus ?

    Clever, touche!

  221. Alfie, saying czars are mostly ineffective is an entirely different argument. If Elric said Obama delegates too much to czars who won’t get anything done, I could have a much more reasoned argument with him. But Elric, always keeping an eye out for those black helicopters, thinks the czars are a secret underground government usurping Congress at every turn. What total malarkey!

  222. Oh …. Hippieprof, I also must advise you in case you haven’t picked up on it yet, that Elric and to some extent Tex, and I think to a much lesser extent Rabbit, believe that Obama wants to destroy the country, that he is truly evil on a scale with Adolf Hitler.

    When someone comes to the argument from that vantage point, it is virtually impossible to carry on a sane conversation.

  223. Rutherford,

    Characterization missed on so many points. First, the obvious.

    I don’t believe Obama thinks he is destroying the country – he’s an idealist that believes he is so great, so brilliant, almost divine in nature, that he knows what is best for us. That he, and he alone with his appointed band of thieves will lead us to the promised land. I believe he is destroying the country because he is amoral and wrongheaded. But I don’t necessarily believe that he purposely and maliciously intends to do so because his own children must live here. I believe Obama a narcissist and megalomaniac that has had a free ride in his adult life. While well spoken, I don’t find him particularly wise – at least not in a positive sense.

    Do I believe that Obama’s intent evil? Perhaps a bit because I think he hates a large part of this country. Do I think Obama out of the mold of Hitler? Absolutely not.

    Now, the second part of your equation and the most stupid. No, my preacher(s) have never said anything in the mold of Jeremiah Wright, who is without doubt a bigot and charlatan. I believe even you would admit that. There is nothing of God in Jeremiah, who’s self-servitude will be dealt with swiftly and harshly. That is biblical Rutherford.

    Now, while you may be right that Obama sat in a racist church without being racist himself, the fact is that he was there in attendance for a great many of those sermons. It’s an insult to think otherwise.

    Being that Obama was even in the presence of that garbage, even for political reasons, tells me all about the man I need to know. Shallow and self-serving; not a man to be trusted; a man of little character or wisdom.

    Hope that clears things up for the Hippie Prof. You should have already known better, but I have noticed as you’ve become more unglued by the failure of your Dear Leader, you’ve been more apt to puts words in your opponent’s mouth. Until recently, I’ve never known you to be dishonest. You too are not to be trusted. 😉

  224. “Wright was the preacher in the church Obama attended … a church I maintain, that Obama attended for mostly political reasons.”

    Says a lot about his moral character doesnt it? But what political reasons would that be to stay in such a hateful “church” for 20 years?

    “For anyone to believe that Wright said something crazy every Sunday for 20 years is to believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy.”

    “thinks the czars are a secret underground government usurping Congress at every turn.”

    Well Thuggy has more czars than cabinet posts and they bypassed Congressional approval. They also have powerful positions like control over the interenet. So yes he has his own little government.

    “that Elric and to some extent Tex, and I think to a much lesser extent Rabbit, believe that Obama wants to destroy the country, that he is truly evil on a scale with Adolf Hitler.”

    Yes he wants to destroy this country. Evil on scale with Hitler? Never said that but time will tell.

    “Hey Elric, don’t you think we should wait until Halloween to determine if Obama loves ghouls? ”

    Nope. He has a czar that advocates harvesting organs. Everyday is Halloween in Thuggyland.

    A real man would have left after the 1st time.

  225. But what political reasons would that be to stay in such a hateful “church” for 20 years?

    I’ll ignore the whole “hateful church” thing for a moment and answer your question simply as it was politically to his advantage to appear to embrace the black community. I don’t know how many black churches there were in Chicago at the time but Wright’s was probably one of the more popular ones.

  226. You should have already known better, but I have noticed as you’ve become more unglued by the failure of your Dear Leader, you’ve been more apt to puts words in your opponent’s mouth.

    Mmmmm Tex, I find it interesting how your standards for me and Curator don’t apply to yourself.

    In the flood of comments, I can’t recall the exact topic, but you accused me and Curator of believing something because we did not explicitly say that we did NOT believe it. So, when I see Elric make some of the most absurd claims about Obama and never see him challenged by you, I have every reason to believe that you agree with Elric lock, stock and barrel.

    Virtually every conservative on this blog, Red Pill, Alfie, DR have taken Elric on but you have stayed strangely silent about his most nutjob claims. The only other person here who has not found Elric objectionable in one way or another has been Gorilla.

    So, until I see you tell Elric “hey man, I do not like Obama but come on, he does not hate America”, I will assume you agree with him. And this worries me slightly because I’ve always thought you too smart to be so unhinged. 😉

  227. “politically to his advantage to appear to embrace the black community.”

    If thats what the “black community” represents, why the hell would he want to embrace it?

  228. “The only other person here who has not found Elric objectionable in one way or another has been Gorilla.”

    Thats because they know I am right. DR is coming around. 🙂

  229. But that is certainly not the norm, to take difficult subjects out of order for grins.

    Well you are talking to someone who was stupid enough to take German freshman year when I already had years of Spanish under my belt … and took “Theory of Writing” and “Theory of Law” freshman year. I learned the hard way, never take a “Theory of..” anything! 😦

  230. Damn Rutherford,

    So, until I see you tell Elric “hey man, I do not like Obama but come on, he does not hate America”, I will assume you agree with him.

    I just gave a sermon on exactly what I thought of Obama. Do they not teach deductive reasoning at Hawwvard? Do I have to spell everything out addressed directly to you.

    I shared that spiel with the Hippie in hopes you’d pick up on exactly how I feel. I do not need to address it to Elric as he is capable of reading.

  231. I do not need to address it to Elric as he is capable of reading.

    Weak argument.

    Of course they dont. Havent you seen his “debating” skills?

    LOL, this coming from someone whose idea of analysis is to quote WZ and then say “YEAH, what he said!”

  232. DR is coming around. 🙂

    I wouldn’t count on that. DR is his own man and with the new arrival present and accounted for, I think DR will think very carefully about whether he wants islamaphobia and radical paranoid fringe conservatism carried on into the next generation of Rabbits.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying ole DR is transforming into a lib, but he has established himself as a thinker without predictable knee-jerk reactions.

  233. “LOL, this coming from someone whose idea of analysis is to quote WZ and then say “YEAH, what he said!”

    Much more than that “Zookeeper”

    “I think DR will think very carefully about whether he wants islamaphobia and radical paranoid fringe conservatism carried on into the next generation of Rabbits.”

    Still waiting for that definition of “islamophobia” and the examples.

  234. Much more than that “Zookeeper”

    I like that …. this place does resemble a zoo at times. 🙂

    Still waiting for that definition of “islamophobia” and the examples.

    You are indeed right again. You don’t fear Muslims, you just don’t like them.

  235. “You are indeed right again”

    I always am

    “You don’t fear Muslims, you just don’t like them.”

    I dont like islam, in fact I despise it. I have no problems with muslims that arent devoted to the islamic cult.

  236. I dont like islam, in fact I despise it. I have no problems with muslims that arent devoted to the islamic cult.

    Wow are we in murky water now. Since a Muslim is someone who follows the religion of Islam, what degree of “following” puts any particular Muslim in your “don’t like” column?

  237. As public outrage in some parts of the country against President Obama seems to grow louder by the week, some Democrats believe that his sharpest critics are driven by racism.

    At a fall gathering of the Democratic National Committee in Austin, several Democrats expressed dismay with the anger exploding mostly from white Americans, such as the tens of thousands who marched on the nation’s capital Saturday. African-American lawmakers like Texas Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson say the tone of the president’s critics increasingly suggests what is motivating their vitriol.

    “It’s hurting the spirit of this country,” Johnson said, expressing worry about what outsiders might think of large portions of the country behaving as if the president of the United States were illegitimate. “As far as African-Americans are concerned, we think most of it is [racism].”

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/dem-rep-eddie-bernice-as-far-as-africanamericans-are-concerned-we-see-criticism-of-obama-as-racism-.html

    Perfect example Alfie.

  238. The more I hear and read about conservative viewpoints, the more I lose faith in humanity’s intelligence. I read about Conservapedia which is to oppose the “liberalism” of Wikipedia. The problem with that argument is that Wikipedia is written by everyone…the left, the right, the middle and the way off. Wikipedia has more followers/editors so statistically it will be more closer to the truth. I bet my life that if 2 children were raised on information, (one from Wikipedia and the other from Conservapedia) and both were to take the SATs when they are ready for college, Conservapedia Child would not even get an 800.

  239. The Little Muslim, Barry Soetoro Hussein should not be addressing any of our children. He should be impeached. Now. The person is a clown and know nothing. He is trying to take over the country along with his band of clowns. This country is in BIG trouble and no one seems to want to do anything about it.
    Concerned AMERICAN
    P.S.
    AMERICAN. Something Obama is not.

  240. Rutherford, I’ve been reading through the debate comments on here. I’m not usually one to post on any kind of comment board but I was much too compelled.
    I think you’re fantastic. I don’t say that because of a bias (because I do agree with you entirely) but I say that because I have never found anyone to articulate their points the way you do. Including myself. So…you’re fantastic!
    I hope you speak louder and more often. 🙂

    And Larry. Oh you poor poor man. Good luck to you.

  241. Maggie, thanks so much for your kind words and for stopping by. This post is actually the one I’m proudest of in three years of writing this blog. (It also got more than 52,000 hits on Best of the Blogs).

    And as for Larry, sadly he is not alone. There are a number of sad pups out there.

    I do hope you’ll read more of what I have to offer. I’m glad you were moved to contribute! Happy New Year. 🙂

  242. LOL Tex, there are actually people out there who agree with me. It’s nice to see more and more of them commenting.

    Notice something though …. I’m getting older and losing my fire. I read through some of these comments tonight and I was on fire … lots of passion. Maybe I’m too preoccupied with my own impending financial crises but lately in the comments section at least, I’m not as tough as I used to be.

    Almost makes me mournful. 😐

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