Lawson is Illegal Immigrant

Yes, my friends, the truth must come out. I have been informed that several crack researchers at World Net Daily have uncovered my real birth certificate. Since I refuse to be outed by those with a vicious agenda, I am preempting any potential scandal by posting my original birth certificate.

Alas, it is true, that like Barack Obama, I was born in Kenya. Hence my devotion to him all these many months. The evidence is here for all to see.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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429 thoughts on “Lawson is Illegal Immigrant

  1. No way. Your too tiny for a Kenyan.

    I have evidence you are of the Mbuti, an indigenous pygmy group in the Congo region of Africa.

    Then again, you’re so uncoordinated you would have surely fallen on your own poisonous frog blow dart by now.

  2. ROTFLMAO … thank &diety for some levity Rabbit! I’m telling you this much, to return one moment to the evolution meme (God I hate that word), if I were a monkey, I’d be a bonobo! 🙂

  3. LOL Sensico, it never occurred to me to ask the dumbass birther GOP’ers to prove their citizenship. Damn, that’s classic!

    As for June 15th, 1961 … that is the only truth on the birth certificate. I’m actually just a couple of months older than Obama. He grew up to be President. I grew up to be an impoverished blogger. Life just ain’t fair. 😉

  4. Speaking of impoverished blogger “R”, I haven’t asked you recently if you’re actively pursuing obtaining corporate work? Or have you had enough of that? I certainly wouldn’t blame you if you did.

    P.S. – Now can you get me that selective service registration from Obama and be done with the bait and switch routine for me, you old Kenyan you? 😯

  5. Tex, I’m not actively pursuing corporate employment but I am sane enough to accept an offer if it comes my way. There’s that little thing called the mortgage to think about.

    My focus is still on making more money at my own business. You may have missed my answer to you in the previous thread but things are looking slightly up in that area. Very slightly.

    —————————————————————————

    Following up on the notion introduced by Sensico, I’ll produce Obama’s selective service registration when every congressman Obama’s age produces theirs. 😀

  6. Rutherford: Just claim that Obama registered with the Selective Service, and be done with it. The claim alone should be enough for most around here. Proof is for suckers.

  7. “R”,

    No, I didn’t miss it. You just left me to believe that things were still tight and a fight. I think you’re smart to pursue the “on your own”. You and I have developed one common trait – cynicism with the cronyism and fecklessness of Corporate America.

    The claim alone should be enough for most around here. Proof is for suckers.

    LIke a “religious studies” degree….for suckers, that is. 😆

  8. Dr. Tex: Then I guess it’s a good thing that I am not majoring or minoring in religious studies. Nor have I ever claimed to be.

  9. Rained out. Heaven forbid the idiots just call the event off. Instead I drive to the East side and wait for the obvious in the parking lot for 5 hours.

    I’m so sick of this tournament stuff. Soon as that baby is born, I will be using the poor little feller to get out of all kinds of stuff.

    Sorry in-laws…I can’t go to the Moody Blues concert.
    Sorry “Coach”, I really can’t make the tournament.
    Sorry work, I’d love to be on that committee, but can’t…

  10. Dr. Pill…..be honest…..our degree is a joke. History right? A very interesting joke, but a joke.

  11. And I think Prof. Pill is more appropriate, considering my aspirations. Although it would still lack in originality.

  12. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124967502810515267.html

    Lawmakers’ Global-Warming Trip Hit Tourist Hot Spots

    It’s so cool they are out, fighting the good fight on behalf of all of us. Their spouses help too.

    Representative Frank Lucas (R) was asked why his wife needed to go on the trip. ” If spouses couldn’t go along on trips abroad, then you couldn’t travel — simple as that.”

    I guarantee that guy never served in the military.

    Every single motherfucker on this field trip should do community service picking cigarette butts off of I 75 until they have paid us back.

    I HATE CONGRESS!!!!!

  13. Yeah…I took it seriously too. Until I met the man behind the curtain.

    Is your program infected with post modernism? You know you have to get on that bandwagon don’t you.

    Just respond to every quote of Michel Foucault with another quote of Michel Foucault. You can pick the pages randomly, it doesn’t matter.

  14. “Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity”

    I found this work mind blowing. Google the author, Alan Sokal.

  15. I will be using the poor little feller to get out of all kinds of stuff.

    Sorry in-laws…I can’t go to the Moody Blues concert.
    Sorry “Coach”, I really can’t make the tournament.
    Sorry work, I’d love to be on that committee, but can’t…

    Ah but here is the rub Rabbit … the true time conflicts can be as annoying as the stuff you’re trying to get out of:

    Sorry in-laws…I can’t go to the Moody Blues concert … because I can’t find a babysitter that won’t cost me an arm and a leg.

    Sorry “Coach”, I really can’t make the tournament. … because I’ve got to coach my own kids soccer team where a bunch of sad-ass fathers are re-living their non-existent glory days through their kids.

    Sorry work, I’d love to be on that committee, but can’t…because my six year old comes home with the same amount of ‘homework” I did in college and he needs my help.

    Hey, being a Dad is fun but believe me they’re gonna be times when you’ll miss the days of the Moody Blues concerts, softball tournies and work-related committees. 😉

  16. still tight and a fight

    Oh yes, Tex that does still describe my financial situation to a tee. I just don’t have all the “fight” in me knocked out yet.

    I can see us in the homeless shelter in 18 months with my wife saying to me, “still fighting heh?”

  17. Beeler on Astroturf through history
    posted at 2:10 pm on August 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Washington Examiner editorial cartoonist Nate Beeler takes a look at the effort to label constituent dialogue as “astroturfing” or worse by the Left and the media (but I repeat myself). What would Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, and Harry Reid have said to a group of Americans who insisted that the backbone of self-governance was an involved and informed electorate, with elected officials held accountable for their actions? Beeler sees the triumvirate as resentful of those speaking Truth to Power — especially when they represent the latter and not the former:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/08/beeler-on-astroturf-through-history/

  18. R…I’m sure you’re right about that.

    However, I am so utterly sick of myself. I don’t mean this in some sort of depressed or suicidal way.

    I mean that I am completely bored with waking up and facing a world where my main concern is myself. Rabbit likes to this. Rabbit has fun doing that. Boring!

  19. “I can see us in the homeless shelter in 18 months with my wife saying to me, “still fighting heh?””

    I thought Thuggy was going to save us all.

  20. Rabbit, I haven’t finished reading about the Sokal hoax yet but from the little I read, it reminds me of something that happened to me Freshman year in college.

    It was a writing class (one of only two classes at Harvard that I got A- or better in 😦 ) and the assignment was to read a poem and write an essay describing what the poem meant. I don’t recall the name of the poem after all these years but this is how the exercise went:

    A bunch of wet behind the ears freshmen and I went back to our dorms and read this poem. The damn thing was sheer nonsense but how could I, a newly admitted Harvard intellectual say that the poem was nonsense? So I did the same thing my peers did … I sucked meaning out of every stanza, sentence and word until I had pieced together the most intellectually bankrupt interpretation of the poem possible, not wanting to appear stupid.

    The upshot was, the instructor looked at all our papers and then said, “What you have all done with this assignment is almost worse than plagiarism. It is intellectual dishonesty. The poem is complete garbage, utterly meaningless, absolute nonsense. All of you have jumped through hoops to make something out of nothing instead of writing an honest essay saying that the poem makes no sense.” The exercise taught me to write the truth as I saw it and not merely attempt to appear the smartest guy in the room.

    I had instructors who would’ve seen through the Sokal hoax in a minute and told him he was full of crap. 🙂

  21. Correction: It was one of only two classes outside of Spanish, that I got an A- in. Spanish was probably the only thing that kept me from getting kicked out of school for a crappy GPA. (Elric …. how’s that, I’ve confessed my college stupidity … can that proxy for Obama?)

  22. “(Elric …. how’s that, I’ve confessed my college stupidity … can that proxy for Obama?)”

    You are more forthcoming than Thuggy. But thats not saying much.

  23. “I had instructors who would’ve seen through the Sokal hoax in a minute and told him he was full of crap.”-R

    Seriously, that Prof would be a rarity in Liberal Arts these days.

    Impressionable freshmen are one thing. What’s horrifying about the Sokal hoax was the fact that professors themselves published utter nonsense.

    The one thing i always wondered with these post-modernists was if, behind close doors, they admit to one another that none of them understand any of what they themselves are saying.

    Rutherford, as for your GPA, things have changed. In most Liberal Arts programs there are two grades: B’s and A’s.

    Don’t get me wrong, I had a few good professors.

    But you should see what is passing as academic work in the field of history, now days. Like I told Prof Pill. An utter joke.

  24. Man, I have such a weird love/hate relationship with Glen Beck.

    I agree with a ton of what he says. And a lot of times, he’s the only one saying it.

    But, completely separated from politics, I can’t stand the man. His mannerisms, sense of humor and even his fricking face bugs the royal shit out of me.

  25. DR,

    I remember him ranting about the crash of the banks on the radio a year before it happened. He is usually dead on except for one issue which really pissed me off. Havent seen his cable show but then I dont have cable 🙂

    His birthday wish really outs thuggy for what he is. A shame he couldnt have done this last August. But then, he was with CNN.

  26. He is usually dead on except for one issue which really pissed me off.

    Well, I have to ask. What issue?

  27. DR,

    I think you know. Not so much that he isnt dead on but he lied about it. But this isnt the thread to get into it. Dont want to offend Dodger.

  28. Lets just say he claim to have read a book and came away with an insane conclusion. He is a very intelligent guy so I know he didnt read the book, so therefor he lied about it my guess is for political correctness.

    Does he still have this conclusion? I dont know, he said this over 2 years ago

  29. yeah, I know this appears to be a little personal convo between rabbit and elric but I kind of wanna know too. I don’t see how it would be out of the ordinary to get off topic on Rutherford’s blog. From what I’ve seen you’re usually the one that gets off topic pretty fast so tell us what you think Glenny was wrong about!!

  30. As far as grade inflation, it apparently exists at most lib universities. I know I guy that was so dumb, he couldn’t run a can opener. But he graduated from Princeton (supposedly the number one school in America and did okay) and was admitted because his daddy is worth millions. Makes me puke what a joke most colleges have become concerning many degrees.

  31. Elric, that’s BS. Islam is a peaceful religion. Just because some terrorist decides to do harm in the name of Islam doesn’t mean that religion is bad. People have done wrong in the name of Christianity but you don’t see people (for the most part) saying Christianity is a bad religion.
    People can twist a religion to suit their own sadistic views.

  32. Oh and a happy belated birthday to Thuggy.

    Ah Elric, I see old Glenn is practicing for his standup comedian tour that he’s planning for later this year. He’s such a riot.

  33. I mean that I am completely bored with waking up and facing a world where my main concern is myself.

    The great irony here Rabbit is there you are wanting to make a real difference and lots of our elected officials have no interest in service, other than the self-serving kind. Sadly, if you were elected to public office, you probably wouldn’t last a year. It would frustrate the crap out of you.

  34. Islam is a peaceful religion, hey? Where?

    Yemen, Somalia, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Nigeria, Malaysia, Pakistan, China, Indonesia, India, Lebanon, Egypt, Algeria, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Niger, Tunisia, Azerbaijan, Sierra Leone, Kyrgyzstan, Palestine, Kuwait, Kosovo, Bahrain and Mauritania.

    Which one of these religion of pieces countries do you prefer to reside as a woman to be clothed from head to foot?

  35. “Just because some terrorist decides to do harm in the name of Islam doesn’t mean that religion is bad.”

    How about when their “prophet” did harm in the name of islam? Does that mean the “religion” is bad?

  36. “Ah Elric, I see old Glenn is practicing for his standup comedian tour that he’s planning for later this year. He’s such a riot.”

    That he is. But I see you didnt deny anything he said.

  37. Elric, that’s BS.

    Oh Sensico, you obviously haven’t become acquainted with Elric’s raison d’etre. You need to go to my religion thread so you can enjoy all of Elric’s anti-Muslim propaganda.

    BTW, thanks Elric for your restraint here but I’m shocked it took Rabbit so long to figure out the only thing Glen Beck could have been wrong about, Clearly if Beck came away with a positive impression of the Koran, he must be lying about reading it. 😀

  38. Tex,

    You forgot some countries like the Philippines and Thailand where “the misunderstanders of islam” are conducting “inner struggles” against the filthy kafirs.

    You also forgot the Maldives where its illegal to be a non muslim.

  39. “anti-Muslim propaganda”

    Reporting oppression of non muslims is propaganda?

    “Clearly if Beck came away with a positive impression of the Koran, he must be lying about reading it. :-D”

    Actually yes. It would be like someone reading Mein Kamf and coming away that its pro-Jewish. Well it is, compared to the quran.

  40. Elric, 😆

    How could I forget those peaceful Muslims in the Philippines? Such peace loving people, especially with the tourists.

    What’s your favorite quality of the religion of pieces lovers? The head chopping, or the machete across the limbs? That being hung by a crane on the public square looked to me like that would be quite a pleasure…

    Slower than the suicide bomb, but the pleasure last one hundred times as long.

  41. oh lord, well I am rather sorry I brought the religious debate over here but I hate commenting on older posts. btw, theres women here who still wear clothing from head to toe because it signifies something to them. I’m not going to bash a cultural custom just because it’s not normal to me.
    but, this convo is “yawnish”, I feel like this is a replay of some sorts.

  42. 51. Elric66 | August 8, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    “Just because some terrorist decides to do harm in the name of Islam doesn’t mean that religion is bad.”

    How about when their “prophet” did harm in the name of islam? Does that mean the “religion” is bad?

    You forgot to answer Sensico

  43. Tex,

    My favorite part is who they are the aggressor and play the victim at the same time. Its rather amazing how they pull it off.

    I also like how they riot over friggin cartoons, “desecrated” qurans and teddy bears.

  44. Oh and Tex, you forgot Sudan where muslims are ethnically cleansing the area of non muslims. But hey, they just arent like us so dont judge, right Sensico?

  45. Cowards: Dems Holding “Stealth” Town Halls….

    That is unless the local SEIU goons are available….

    TALKING STEALTH CARE- NY Post

    New York lawmakers are taking extraordinary steps to make sure their “town hall” meetings on health care don’t become angry shouting matches or embarrassing clips on YouTube — in some cases turning events into private, invitation-only affairs

    But several area lawmakers are taking steps to minimize the chance that health-care critics will be able to protest

    Rep. Steve Israel (D-LI) held a health-care “roundtable” Thursday night, but made the event “invitation only.”

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/08/cowards-dems-holding-stealth-town-halls.html#comments

    Cowards

  46. “Why are the Americans throwing away our common victory?” asks Iraq journalist Maad Fayad. “It is absurd for [the Obama administration] to base its policy on Iraq on a weird desire to prove that Bush was wrong.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/08/iraqis-say-obama-trying-to-undermine-their-success-its-absurd-to-base-his-policy-on-iraq-on-a-weird-desire-to-prove-bush-w-1.html#comments

    Well Mr Fayad, thats the mentality of the left, especially Chairman Thuggy.

  47. Video: Ken Gladney attends protest outside SEIU St. Louis headquarters
    posted at 8:30 pm on August 8, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    Via the indefatigable Jim Hoft, who’s back from the rally with photos galore. When last we saw Gladney, he said he was in some pain but otherwise appeared in reasonably good shape; now he’s in a wheelchair and so heavily medicated that he can’t speak. What exactly did those goons do to him? Good lord. Like Jim Treacher said, if Gladney was an Obama supporter, right now he’d be more famous than Rodney King.

    Good news, though: Some of the more gutless Democrats in the House have decided to make their town halls “stealth” affairs, which, while depriving constituents of a chance to protest, will at least ensure that SEIU doesn’t send anyone else to the hospital. Meanwhile, here’s your photo of the day, catching another minor bit of dissent-crushing in action. Guess whose side the perpetrator’s on.

  48. KENNETH GLADNEY – WHERE’S SHARPTON, JACKSON & OBAMA?

    Well Mr Gladney, you are a conservative, you dont matter to the race baiters. Now if you were protesting Bush………

  49. An official white house statement of “we will punch back twice as hard” is absolutely irresponsible rhetoric.

    Can you imagine the Bush White House responding to war protesters with rhetoric like that? Can you imagine?

    Damn.

    Looks like sensico can no longer come on here and talk solely about the conservative “mob”.anymore.

    Surely, Sensico will be able to find someone against government health care acting a fool. Then Elric will easily find an example of a Pro Obama goon doing the same thing (so far worse).

    I’d say the Obama goons are responsible for taking it to the next level in terms of violence, but I’m sure it will turn into a back and forth. One thing is for sure, there is no debating that the Obama goons are organized and their actions premeditated. Jury is still out on the protesters. I haven’t seen much proof.

    Your going to see vile crowds trying to incite one another, all the while everybody is waving around camera phones. Punch back twice as hard. Isn’t the Jerry Springer set located in Chicago? Then again, we’re seeing a ton of Chi town in DC lately.

    What great leadership, President Obama. Way to take the high road.

    Also, mark my words, the fishy list controversy will not disappear with next week’s news cycle. How amateur. How bush league. There will be legal ramifications.

    Rutherford, you brought up the Patriot Act. I always had major reservations about it, to be honest. The reality of 9/11 scared the shit out of me. I’m not going to lie, another major attack and I will probably be whimpering for elements within the Patriot Act again.

    But, after seeing the White House employ such goon tactics such as a snitch list, I agree. Lets take a long look at the Patriot Act. Oh I forgot, the Patriot Act is now Obama’s baby. He loves the Patriot Act.

    Obama needs to get some help. Fast. These Chicago hacks are going to ruin him. He’s never had to lead anything before. And man is it showing. He needs a real team of advisers. Quick!

    A truly disastrous summer for Obama.

    Rutherford, is it becuase Obama is black or is it becuase you supported him as a candidate or what? Why don’t any of your blogs address the folly of this summer, just from a tactical perspective?

    You’re always labeling me as a conservative. And surely I will fight certain ideological issues all the way to my grave.

    But damn, I’m not even a registered Republican. I never have been tied to another man like you are. My own self esteem was never linked to Bush’s legacy. Or to any other motherfucker, for that matter.

    You my friend, are a much bigger Democrat then you are a liberal.

    Even more concerning, you are a much bigger Obamacrat then you are a Democrat.

    It’s like your mind serves as a host.

  50. Under heavy medication and can’t speak? Give the Rabbit two vicodins and I won’t stop yapping for 3 hours.

    I saw that guy. He was fine. Hurt leg. He didn’t get al serious beating, that’s for sure. just stomped a bit.

    Dude is putting on a show.

    Don’t get me wrong, it’s total b.s. what happened to him.

    But were seeing some theatrics here. Guaranteed.

  51. New York lawmakers are taking extraordinary steps to make sure their “town hall” meetings on health care don’t become angry shouting matches

    Wow, amazing that some folks would like to take steps to make the town halls productive events conducive to mature exchange of information, instead of a touring Jerry Springer Show.

  52. I think it’s funny how when you read the liberal press, the goons are all conservative. When you read the conservative press, the goons are all liberals.

    Before I say another word, I’ve already gone on record to say the “snitch list” is a dumbass idea. I said, and I still say, there is no sinister intent but just the fact that that needs to be clarified makes the idea real dumb.

    Here’s part of what is going on. Back in 1993, Hillary did her damnedest to get health care passed. She made a lot of mistakes. Now I was as interested in politics in 1993 as my daughter’s pet cat Ollie so I can’t give you a first hand recollection of what went down. My understanding is, she ignored Congress for one thing.

    Obama, trying to learn from Hillary’s mistakes has gone too far in the other direction, basically turning the whole baby over to Congress, who in turn have over complicated the damn thing and under communicated it. However, when you hear stuff from the administration like “hit back twice as hard” what you are really hearing is “we are NOT going to have a repeat of 1993”. The degree of commitment to get SOMETHING done should not be underestimated.

    When it comes to these town hall meetings, I’ve had a Jekyl/Hyde thing going on inside. On the one hand a part of me says, be patient with the protesters. Hear them out. Assume the best of intentions from them. Work hard to communicate in a way that will reassure them (not fool them or lull them but truly reassure them) and of course, take what they say as input on what to do.

    The Hyde part of me says, tell the mostly ill-informed, loud mouth, grabbing-their-15-minutes-of-YouTube-fame drama queen obstructionist mo-fo’s to shut the hell up and if they raise a fist, to knock them flat on their ass.
    There has been a culture war brewing in this country for the past 8 years at least. A lot of what you would call snobby intellectuals have been simmering under the leadership of what they felt was a dumbass president. That opinion was held pretty openly and it pissed off folks who embraced so called “American values” and loved Bush. Now, the pendulum has swung back to the liberals and Obama represents everything the Bush-lovers hate. It looks like health care is the match that is setting the culture war tinder box ablaze. I’m torn on what to do. Walk away and let America continue to be 37th in the world on quality/cost of health care? Or stand and fight until something gets done?

    And the worst part lady and gentlemen … I suspect there are liars on each side of the issue so we don’t even know who we can trust at this point. Quite the clusterf*ck, isn’t it?

    If I have to take sides, I go with my natural instinct which is progressive, not reactionary. We need a better health care system. We have a start, perhaps an imperfect start, but a start. Perfection is the enemy of progress.

  53. Now…that was a little more fair and balanced. Sure…I can argue some of its points but I can see at least some calories being burned in the brain.

    How come your actual blogs rarely show this side?

    Yet you show some critical analysis in the comments section every now and then. (You also go on deranged rants too, but who doesn’t around here).

    Whats up with that? I almost feel a “just between me and you here is what I really think” vibe in the comment section while the blog is reserved for the official Obama hand job.

  54. Yes. R can explain that. You did’nt hear it correctly becuase you hate black people.

    Oh give me a break. Now I’m Kanye West?

    Let’s start with Barney Frank. He isn’t pulling any punches, He clearly hopes that whatever gets enacted morphs eventually into single payer.

    You are comparing 2003 legislator Obama to President Obama. IMHO, not very sophisticated of you. As President, you have to take more of a center position to get anything accomplished. Let’s say in his heart of hearts, he wants single payer. So what? He’s trying to get SOMETHING. He won’t let single payer drag down the entire initiative. So right now, he’s not pushing single payer.

    But let’s switch gears a bit. Chicago reporter Clarence Page made an interesting comment on McLaughlin Group a couple of weeks ago. What is it about the insurance industry that we love them so much? Why should we be breaking our back to preserve them? They have proven repeatedly that they favor profit over health care. Why do they deserve to exist as a for-profit industry when people are being denied care?

    Another point made by the infamous Lawrence O’Donnell is how much easier this whole thing would have been if we’d just said “we’re extending Medicare to everyone, period.” Then, we’d have a currently operational system to use as a benchmark for what would go down in the future. From what I understand, Medicare problems are fiscal, not operational. From what I understand, Medicare recipients are happy.

    But to get back to the matter at hand, people make a silly mistake when they throw a President’s words back at him from before he was Pres. You must have a different perspective from the Oval Office than you had from the Senate. Otherwise, you can’t be effective.

  55. Whats up with that?

    LOL, Rabbit it’s funny that I read some of my comments and I say to myself “damn, that was as long as a primary blog post.”

    The original posts are by definition not a dialog. The comments section is. Dialog can spur analysis that sometimes doesn’t surface when writing the original post. What’s more, at least stylistically, I wrote most of my posts from the emotional gut and not from the analytical side.

  56. Let me get this straight. A day ago you were baffled how us skeptics just can’t get it through our heads that the current bill will not lead to single payer.

    You cheered sensico on as she called us paranoid.

    Take a chill pill we’re told.

    Single payer is a scare tactic. A red herring.

    We then show you video proving that not only does Obama want single payer, he intends to implement it through the back door via a bill just like we are seeing right now.

    You then say that we need not worry becuase he said this stuff 60 months ago.

    Even more exasperating, you then make a quick argument yourself for single payer, even though you have previously made an argument that the bill will not effect competition.

    Meanwhile, the official party line is that the bill is NOT an avenue towards single payer.

    And you can’t see why there is so much confusion, distrust and emotion?

    Rutherford, I sincerely mean this without any disrespect, you are losing all credibility here.

  57. “But to get back to the matter at hand, people make a silly mistake when they throw a President’s words back at him from before he was Pres. You must have a different perspective from the Oval Office than you had from the Senate. Otherwise, you can’t be effective.”

    Which is liberal-speak for “Sorry for that 8 years of crap we gave you, W. We thought we knew WTF we were talking about, but as it turned out, we were completely clueless. However now, after walking in your shoes for 6 whole months, we are starting to see that you actually knew what the hell you were doing.”

    DR: I did have to read Foucault, and even Chomsky. Thank goodness I am through that, and can now stick to the good stuff from 1000 years ago.

  58. DR,

    Lets add this to his “credibilty

    “Let’s start with Barney Frank. He isn’t pulling any punches, He clearly hopes that whatever gets enacted morphs eventually into single payer.”

    And 2 US Senators and Thuggy are themselves on record wanting a single pay system. Why the hell should we even go down that road? Because the more power we give the government, the harder it will be to reverse this.

  59. .” So what? He’s trying to get SOMETHING. He won’t let single payer drag down the entire initiative. So right now, he’s not pushing single payer.”

    Wow, he is trying to get SOMETHING. All about Thuggy, not the people. And when he gets something, it will be easier to get the single payer AS HE SAID IN HIS INTERVIEW. He didnt say in that interview he wanted to go right to it but it would take time. Try listening to the interview Dodger.

  60. “Wow, amazing that some folks would like to take steps to make the town halls productive events conducive to mature exchange of information, instead of a touring Jerry Springer Show.”

    Right. If Bush was doing this, you would be singing a different tune. And how is it an exchange of ideas when its speaking to the choir? And how come you still havent commented on the union thugs assaulting protesters? Im beginning to think you support that just like thuggy’s unconstitutional health czar.

  61. The Community Is Restless
    The firm hand of greater organization is needed.

    By Mark Steyn

    DISSENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTI- . . . No, wait, that bumper sticker expired January 20. Under the stimulus bill, there’s a new $1.3 trillion bills-for-bumpers program whereby, if you peel off old slogans now recognized as environmentally harmful (“QUESTION AUTHORITY”), you can trade them in for a new “CELEBRATE CONFORMITY” sticker, complete with a holographic image of President Obama that never takes his eyes off you.

    “The right-wing extremist Republican base is back!” warns the Democratic National Committee. These right-wing extremists have been given their marching orders by their masters: They’ve been directed to show up at “thousands of events,” told to “organize,” “knock on doors” . . .

    No, wait. My mistake. That’s the e-mail I got from Mitch Stewart, Director of “Organizing for America” at BarackObama.com. But that’s the good kind of “organizing.” Obama’s a community organizer. We’re the community. He organizes us. What part of that don’t you get?

    When the community starts organizing against the organizer, the whole rigmarole goes to hell. Not that these extremists showing up at town-hall meetings are real members of the “community.” Have you noticed how tailored they are? Dissent is now the hautest form of couturism. Sen. Barbara Boxer has denounced dissenters from Obama’s health-care proposals as too “well-dressed” to be genuine. Only the emperor has new clothes. Everyone knows that.

    Thankfully, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs has seen through the “manufactured anger” of “the Brooks Brothers brigade.” Did he announce this in a rumpled suit? He’s a press secretary who won’t press. Apparently, the health-care debate now has a dress code. Soon you won’t be able to get in unless you’re wearing Barack Obama mom-jeans, manufactured at a converted GM plant by an assembly line of retrained insurance salesmen. Any day now, Hollywood will greenlight a new movie in which an insane Sarah Palin figure picks out her outfit for spreading disinformation (The Lyin’, the Witch, and the Wardrobe).

    Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the House, added her own distinctive wrinkle to the Brooks Brothers menswear. She disdained the anti-Obamacare protests as fake grassroots. “I think they’re AstroTurf,” she declared. “They’re carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on health care.”

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTZjMWFjYWRlYmIyMGFhZDY0YzVjNzFjYWE4ODU2MmM=

  62. Problem with putting everybody on Medicare is that many doctors will not accept Medicare patients due to low payments and problems with reimbursement (my own doctor told me insurance companies are far more efficient in decisions than administrators from the Medicare bunch so he refuses new Medicare patients) and the even bigger problem Medicare is going broke. Everyone knows it.

    I would ask Clarence Page and Rutherford “what is it about the government that we love them so much? Why should we be breaking our back to protect them and dependent upon them? What have they done to deserve such glowing accolades?

  63. Tex,

    They will never answer that. For some reason people like Dodger think the government is the answer to everything but never explain why. Bill Maher is partially right. Not all Americans are stupid, just the ones that trust their lives and the lives of their children to czars in Washington.

  64. I agree Elric. I have never had a lib thoroughly explain to me why they think our broken government capable of administering and designing the most complicated of systems.

    One thing “R” conveniently forgets about HIllary Care in ’93. One of the biggest complaints were the for the most part, the health care industry was left out of the design. A roomful of attorneys in conjunction with government officials came up with the “plan” of architecture and implementation – there was little or any input from the clients (us) or the practicing physicians. Obama has made the same mistake, only he removed the part of the attorney equation because they are unneeded – being that almost all the Obama shills are attorneys.

    What confuses me most about our blog owner is that he of all people understands the value of input from the people the system designed to deliver a product. He did this for 24 years in corporate America and I must assume he did it well.

    While more complex in nature do the scope and economies of scale, the idea of this is not much different than the creation of IT architecture. He should know this.

    How about “R”? Are you ready to explain in detail how you are arriving at the conclusion that government does it better? And I disagree with your assessment of the failure of American health care. 68% of the voting public still believe it to be the best in the world.

  65. Good luck with getting an answer. I can tell you how he will answer, if he actually does. He will say the system is broke and something has to be done.

    Wont explain why he want to trust his life and his kids life to hacks in DC. My answer is cut off medical care to illegals and end frivolous lawsuits. That right there will drive down costs with no interference to the system.

    But Dodger rather let a bunch of hacks that have no medical, business or economicl experience, starting at the top with Thuggy.

  66. People Derangement Syndrome
    posted at 1:00 pm on August 9, 2009 by Mitch_Berg
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    Twelve years ago, Clinton Derangement Syndrone swept many reaches of the American right. Fringe-y conservative pundits claimed Clinton had done everything from murdering Vince Foster to giving prisoners AIDS-tainted blood to (I’m getting a little foggy on the story) make money from the hike in blood prices (?).

    Over the past eight or so years, the debt was repaid with loan-shark interest; Bush Derangement Syndrome (he brought down the Twin Towers, doncha know) spawned at least two broadast radio networks and most of MSNBC’s current lineup.

    But this pathology is evolving into an uglier, more virulent pathology. Because while distrusting the government is normal (and to a certain degree healthy), when the government and its attendant “elites” start assuming the people are some sort of mass of depraved animals, it’s a very bad thing.

    Paul Krugman, Nobel prize winner, is shocked – shocked – that people are upset about Obamacare.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/09/people-derangement-syndrome/

  67. “My answer is cut off medical care to illegals and end frivolous lawsuits.”

    It really could be that easy too.

    Too bad the Dems worship at the feet of illegals and lawyers.

  68. Anatomy of Nancy Pelo-cchio’s Astroturf brigade
    By Michelle Malkin • August 7, 2009 11:43 PM

    Madame Speaker Nancy Pelosi (affectionately known as Nancy Pelo-cchio among us “political terrorists” on the Right) snuck into a Denver health care clinic today, where she was greeted by 200 grass-roots protesters against socialized medicine — and a handful of Obama-bots and union members carrying identical HCAN signs.

    I already noted this morning how one of the Obamacare activists yanked an anti-Pelosi sign out of a protester’s hands. Brown shirt, anyone?

    There’s much more.

    Denver photojournalist El Marco was at the event and has an amazing pictorial essay detailing how Pelo-cchio’s Astroturf brigade had to be coached by professional organizers — including several day laborers who didn’t speak English and couldn’t tell what the signs they were holding read. And they accuse Tea Party folks of being puppets?!

    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/07/nancy-pelo-cchios-astroturf-brigade/

  69. DR: “Too bad the Dems worship at the feet of illegals….”

    I hate to defend Democrats, but our side had plenty of time to address the problem of illegal immigration had our politicians truely wanted to.

    Instead we heard how much they helped things.

  70. My suggestions are similar:

    (1) Limitations on medical malpractice
    (2) Limitations on selective surgeries
    (3) Assistance with creating more physicians – specifically more primary care physicians. Right now medical school is so outrageously expensive, you practically have to be a specialist to afford payback.
    (4) Tighter regulation of pharmaceutical patents (R should like this because it involved government) with greater emphasis on generics.
    (5) Too many people are taking too many pills, some with antagonistic effects.
    (5) Most importantly, every citizen rich or poor must have a personal stake in the matter and some associated cost of payback. In addition, there needs to be some measure of personal responsibility with respect to one’s own health. There is no excuse (except in extremely rare circumstances) of being morbidly obese. If you abuse your body, you should pay for it personally with higher premiums instead of being added to an aggregate group.

    None of these require bold government intervention.

  71. Red Pill,

    You are absolutely correct on that one. Republicans deserved to lose the election just on the weak borders alone. Not to mention the element within the party that loves cheap labor.

    I

  72. Tex,

    Some reasonable changes. Is kinda funny with the outrageous costs of medical schools when libs control most universities.

    DR,

    Cant argue that. They didnt listen. Thats why the RINO’s need to be swept out as well as the Dems.

  73. Rabbit,

    Things that could be postponed, or alternatives sought. One that immediately comes to mind is gastrointestinal bypass for the morbidly obese, some aesthetic augmentations (breast), etc…

  74. “some aesthetic augmentations (breast), etc…”

    fake is over rated, anyways

    real ingredients taste better. the ultimate and original organic treat…

  75. Video: Democratic congresswoman holds “prayer vigil” on health care
    posted at 7:13 pm on August 7, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    Remind me, which prayer is it that involves ranting about the stimulus bill and demanding single-payer health care? Was that the one Jesus taught the crowd when he gave his sermon on insurance premiums? This sure sounds like a town hall dressed up as a “vigil” in order to discourage protesters from challenging Sanchez — note the conspicuous restrictions placed on the crowd at around 1:10 in the interests of “reverence” — but to believe that, you’d have to believe that Democrats would select venues specifically designed to avoid facing angry dissent from their constituents.

    And you don’t believe that, do you?

  76. you are losing all credibility here.

    I actually don’t think I have a credibility problem. I think it’s a matter of wrestling with ambiguity. When we cut through all the white noise, either everyone is telling the truth and it’s a matter of perception or someone is lying.

    This much is clear. Even if the current bill opens the door to single payer, we will not see single payer in a long time … probably not before 2012 and then if folks are so worried that Obama is gonna get single payer in the second term, they’ll kick him out of office in 2012. So, yes, we do need to take a chill pill. The sky is not falling.

  77. He did this for 24 years in corporate America and I must assume he did it well.

    Very interesting analogy between IT and any other product delivery system, Tex. A valid one I might add. And you should know that most IT designs fail in the requirements phase because requirements were either not properly solicited, or were misunderstood, or were ignored.

    My understanding is Obama has included the health care industry (if not the patients themselves) in constructing some of this plan. To that degree, he did avoid Hillary’s mistakes.

    I’d also like to see a survey of doctor’s opinions of Medicare. I’ve heard at least a couple of doctors over the past week say that Medicare never got between them and their patient while private insurance made their life a nightmare.

  78. “I actually don’t think I have a credibility problem.”

    LOL

    “Even if the current bill opens the door to single payer, we will not see single payer in a long time.”

    Oh that makes it better, shaft your kids.

    “If folks are so worried that Obama is gonna get single payer in the second term, they’ll kick him out of office in 2012.”

    It doesnt matter, the trojan horse is in. You dont get it or dont care but once these entitlement programs are in, they never go away, they only get larger over time.

  79. Good luck with getting an answer.

    Well here’s a question for you Elric (and any one else who would care to take a shot at it).

    If I understand Peter Schiff of New York correctly (Schiff is the fella who got shouted down by Lawrence O’Donnell on The Ed Show), he says that all health insurance should be limited to catastrophic care only. You want that regular check up with your doc? Forget the copay, you pay the whole bill, He makes an odd analogy between health insurance and auto/home insurance, being that auto/home insurance is for the unlikely event that something happens to your car/home. He says health insurance should be limited only to unlikely health events.

    Any thoughts? I think it’s asinine but it sure would cut down on insurance costs.

  80. I already stated what to do first, cut off funding to illegals and minimize the frivolous lawsuits. Start with that. His idea is a bit severe from the beginning.

  81. My suggestions are similar:

    (2) Limitations on selective surgeries

    Oh no Tex … say it isn’t so! You want rationing? 😉

    How bout a seventh idea? (You listed six but put 5 twice). How ’bout we outlaw phrama advertising on TV and print media? That way we don’t have a bunch of folks falling for the “ask your doctor about…” routine. Every time I see a pharma ad it pisses me off.

  82. “That way we don’t have a bunch of folks falling for the “ask your doctor about…”

    Whats wrong with asking? The doctor can always say no.

  83. “Even if the current bill opens the door to single payer, we will not see single payer in a long time … probably not before 2012”

    Probably not before 2012? That’s roughly 27 months from now.

    Yet, your friends act like the notion of single payer should not even be part of the debate. Either did you up to last night.

    The protesters don’t agree with this premise. That’s why they are yelling. The damn “town hall meetings” are pointless becuase they are starting with a premise even you no longer really defend: that single payer is not on the table.

    I called it. I said eventually you, too, would be on the fishy list. Welcome aboard, Rutherford.

    ps. Will you email Sensico and explain to her why we think this health care bill could, in fact, lead to single payer. If she agrees with you, will you forward the email to the white house.

  84. “Yet, your friends act like the notion of single payer should not even be part of the debate. Either did you up to last night.”

    Maybe its starting to sink in DR. Like I said, I know of at least 2 US Senators and Thuggy said they want a single payer system. Its not as matter of if but when. Why even let their foot in the door. No where in the Constitution does it say government is responsible for your health care. But then it doesnt say you can have 44 czars and counting either.

    And I am still waiting for him to answer a question both Tex and I posed. Why does he trust the government to control his health?

  85. Rutherford may, in fact, argue he still wants this bill. He may argue that single payer is the way to go.

    What he can no longer do is say the protesters are paranoid or have no right to be angry.

    Rutherford can no longer simply call them racist.

    Rutherford as come full circle into our camp. He now understands where the protesters are coming from.

  86. Rutherford, guess I did put two #5’s in there. Sorry – back to the notebook as you can tell. I don’t consider those elective surgeries I mentioned as rationing health care. There’s a difference between not getting insulin or pain treatment vs. taking the easy and dangerous way out in losing weight.

    It may surprise you, but I agree with you about the pharmaceutical advertising. I find it borderline outrageous and a gimmick that a pill popping public doesn’t need to see. Pharma should cut its TV advertising budget 100%. Obviously, it is effective.

    One thing I am surprised more women have not raised hell about over the years, and though too many of them whine too much about frivolous crap always screaming sexism where none exists, this always struck me as sexist and one that I actually have an opinion contrary to reality.

    Birth control pills should be provided at minimal or no cost (though they are not terribly expensive anyway) while Viagra, Cialis and the rest should be out of pocket expenses. You need an erection – go buy one.

    There is common ground you and I would share in opinion. Personally, I don’t think political persuasion should even enter this debate. This is not a Republican or Democrat party issue. As you can see, I simply am not confident in government issuance of much of anything because they have done nothing to convince me they are competent with much of anything, including holding to costs. I’m surprised that a man as smart as you does have confidence in them. But they have done much to convince me they are highly incompetent – especially at controlling costs which is what this is really all about. I just think with some tweaking and some changes which the medical practice folks aren’t going to like, this is an issue where bipartisan support could be achieved.

  87. “R”,

    One thing I can tell you about medicine. Much of the cost is driven by fear of being sued. I’m not saying they are sued – but the possibility they could be in our litigious society drives many of the prognoses.

    For instance, I can assure you an X-ray is much cheaper than a MRI. But the benefits provided and the chances of missing something are lessened with an MRI. Doctors tend to be risk aversive. Eliminate the fear, you can lower the costs; especially with respect to emergency medicine.

  88. Right Wing Conspiracy hits Mass.

    Let’s forget for a moment the dumbass editorial comment made by the Washington’s Wake blogger that introduced the video.

    To those on both sides of the issue who could make their voices heard, Rep. Tsongas gave respectful answers.

    What concerns did we hear?

    1. When I’m sick, I wanna know that my insurance will be there to help me. Can’t be sure of that in the current system.

    2. I don’t want to lose my choices.

    Two very legit concerns. I think the representative handled herself perfectly fine.

    The more I think about it, the more I think we need to drop the “plant” stuff. Yes, I know I accused the anti-Obamacare folks of being plants … but what happened? Now conservatives are reflexively accusing pro-Obamacare folks of being plants. It’s become like Jr High School. So let’s all agree that everyone at these meetings is there to express their true feelings without being prompted by outsiders or bussed in. That might be a good start to a reasonable discussion.

  89. “Now conservatives are reflexively accusing pro-Obamacare folks of being plants.”

    No they just beat up protesters for “attacking America”

  90. Video: Meet the mob
    posted at 6:45 pm on August 9, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    Dude, they’re out of control. In fact, according to the voices in Cynthia Tucker’s head, anywhere from 45 to 65 percent of these people are racist. I wonder which ones are the secret Klansmen. Something about the lady who stays home to care for her brother with Down’s syndrome tells me she’s burning with rage.

  91. “R”,

    Elric’s mob looks pretty menacing – that’s some damn threatening people they’ve interviewed there. Still think this is an astroturf doodah like your heroine Nancy Ditz Pelosi?

    I mean Rutherford, as a hardcore lib aren’t you embarrassed by the stupidity of that woman? I mean, she’s fake, she’s stupid, she’s pretentious, and she’s a mean, old witch.

    👿

  92. Well, I’m surely not going to make judgment on a religion I don’t know a lot about and seeing as how Elric probably gets his info from places like World Net Daily, I am not encouraged to listen to his outsider propaganda view on Islam.

    And, I don’t think the plan is to turn the public option into a single payer plan. I find this to be a nifty little chart of the differences between single payer and public option. It simply lays out the differences without taking any legislation into account. http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4338/singlepayervs.gif
    Theres advantages and disadvantages but I’m pretty sure most people would be happy with the public option and it let’s insurance companies do what they do….which is not cover for pre-existing conditions, put people on waiting lists for coverage, charge skyrocketing prices…etc,.

    Let’s deal with the now, and the now is that theres a plan that congress will have to vote on that has a public option. Either way, conservatives can keep complaining about the cost but the current systems does cost us. When ever someone can’t pay their medical bills, an that’s millions of people across America, we pay for it when the hospital hikes up the cost.
    This plan has been specifically modified so that it can be paid for. The cost will go down overtime because of a more efficient and effective system. Quality of health care will not be compromised. It’s not that big of a deal to have a public option, but then again, I’m preaching to the minority because the majority favors a public option.

  93. Welcome to Thuggy’s post racial America

    On the one hand, certain issues in the black community get short shrift in the MSM so venues like BET, and shows like “Like it Is” or “Our World” serve a purpose, providing anyone interested in these issues a source of information.

    On the other hand, the emergence of Barack Obama, Corey Booker, and other prominent black politicians has substantially increased the number of black voices heard in the MSM. Clarence Page, Eugene Robinson, and Jonathan Capehart now make frequent appearances on political talk shows and deal with a multitude of issues directly racial or not at all. So one could argue that there is less a need for racially targeted news media right now.

    If NBC is really billing this as THE African-American perspective on the news, well you guys should already know how I feel about that. There is no ONE African-American perspective.

  94. Dude, they’re out of control.

    OK Elric, so maybe for every video that gets posted of people yelling, screaming and calling the Obama administration Nazi’s, we should see posted videos of ordinary people, behaving civilly exercising their rights as Americans.

    Maybe, just maybe, the screamers are making it harder for the decent people in your video to get heard. Ever think of that?

  95. Regarding comment 126, Sensico, thanks for shedding valuable light on the issue, The chart you link to was easy to understand and should really be mandatory reading for those scared of the “public option”.

    As I’ve said before, there is the risk (and I did not see this in the chart) that the public option will drive private insurance out of business because businesses may choose to only offer the public option to their employees as a cost cutting measure. That’s the only potential glitch that the chart did not cover. Is this inevitable? Absolutely not. If the insurance industry gets its collective head out of its ass, it will see the public option as competition and it will act accordingly.

  96. “The cost will go down overtime because of a more efficient and effective system. ” sensico

    false, your parroting. no proof

    “I’m pretty sure most people would be happy with the public option …”
    -sensico

    false. look at recent polling data

    “Quality of health care will not be compromised.” -sensico

    prove it. bumper sticker comment.

    Hey sensico…you spent a lot of time at your blog chronicling the “bussed in plants” that are protesting. Must bum you out Rutherford now thinks your full of shit too.

    The worst thing about your blog is not that I disagree with it. It’s the fact that I only have to watch MSNBC for 15 minutes and I already know everything you’re going to say, sometimes word for word. I’ve tested this hypothesis out too.

  97. “So let’s all agree that everyone at these meetings is there to express their true feelings without being prompted by outsiders or bussed in. That might be a good start to a reasonable discussion.”

    I agree. Tell sensico.

  98. Of course there is going to be some “plants” on both sides. I think that Republican black dude who got is ass beat might have been a plant. He’s certainly a peace of propaganda now.

    Those union people unleashed on the some of the protesters were obviously plants, as the Dems have admitted it themselves.

    Once again, the Democrats are looking very stupid by starting this whole artificial “mob” thing. Man did sensico run with that one…go look at her blog!

    The debate is real. It’s also fair.

    If Dead Rabbit and Rutherford can get over this trivial “he said she said” bull shit, maybe the rest of the country can too. In order for that to work, the sensicos of the world need to start thinking for themselves and not labeling people wholesale because Nancy Pelosi says so.

    At least Rutherford and the Rabbit can now theoretically sit at a table with out pointing one another out as goons. It’s a start.

  99. aw, sorry, but this is not the lifetime channel. I don’t care your whining and preaching about my blog…or the fact that you’re coming to some moment or truth and understanding about mobs.
    I believe I have stated here or elsewhere that there are legitimate concerns that the right has about healthcare, but my issue is with those on the right that want to start fringe mobs where they’re only goal is to stop discussion.
    and if you’re watching MSNBC, then that’s your business, but I don’t watch it, or any cable news…

  100. Sensico, I’m curious, do you buy lunch for everyone else at school?

    Maybe you only do it for the “poor”? How do you tell when one is poor and when one is not poor?

    Tell me, how do you think you’d feel, forking out lunch for folks all day long because they can’t afford it, but then you seen one or two of them walking around with a Coach handbag. Maybe they bought, maybe someone else bought it for them, but you can’t get one because it costs too much, and besides, you’re too busy buying floks lunch.

    That’s kind of what it is like for those who have a job and pay taxes, we’re forking out a significant portion of our earnings, more and more, to suppiosedly buy “lunch” for those who can’t, but we’re about to hand them Coach handbags in healthcare.

    The numbers boil down to about 11 million- not 48 million- who want/need but can’t get healthcare. About 89% or American have healthcare and the vast majority of them like the plans that they have. So why aren’t we talking about, if anything, just catastrophic plans for these 11 million, versus the cadilac version the Dems want to push through? There’s no common sense to this thing and I’m sorry, the Dems are not being honest or forthcoming in what it is they plan to do.

    Hoyer and Pelosi wrote an op-ed calling the town halls “un-American”. Bullshit. They’re the most American of all political discourse, just like the tea parties. This nation was founded on the principle that the people controlled government. Not we have unions, environmental groups and populist politicians interested in merely buying votes with other peoples money.

    “When people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”- Benjamin Franklin

  101. “Well, I’m surely not going to make judgment on a religion I don’t know a lot about and seeing as how Elric probably gets his info from places like World Net Daily, I am not encouraged to listen to his outsider propaganda view on Islam.”

    Well guess what, islam judges you. The only religion that specifically instructs its believers on the treatment of non believers. Ohh and I dont get my info from WND. I get it from the qur’an, ahadiths, books, web sites like http://www.jihagwatch.org, and of course the daily violence committed by islam around the globe. Now you can either continue looking at islam through your multicultural prism or actually learn about it. I would suggest first by reading “The Politically Incorrect to islam” by Robert Spencer. Its an eye opener and backs up its facts with the actually islamic scripture verse.

    And as for propaganda, how is it propaganda when its the truth? If what I say is not the truth, point it out and tell me where Im wrong. Considering that no one has the courage to debate me on the religion thread anymore Ill take it that no one can. Easier to say I spread “propaganda” and Im a “phobe”

  102. My bad, how could I forget something so fundamental to this regime.

    Words from the right-wing conispracy:

    Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) at a Health Care for America Now rally: “And next to me was a guy from the insurance company who argued against the public health insurance option, saying it wouldn’t let private insurance compete. That a public option will put the private insurance industry out of business and lead to single-payer. My single-payer friends, he was right. The man was right.”

    Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) told Single Payer Action: “I think that if we get a good public option it could lead to single-payer and that is the best way to reach single-payer. Saying you’ll do nothing till you get single-payer is a sure way never to get it. … I think the best way we’re going to get single-payer, the only way, is to have a public option and demonstrate the strength of its power.”

    Washington Post blogger Ezra Klein at the Democratic National Convention last year: “They have a sneaky strategy, the point of which is to put in place something that over time the natural incentives within its own market will move it to single-payer.”

    Noble Prize winning New York Times columnist Paul Krugman: “[T]he only reason not to do [single-payer] is that politically it’s hard to do in one step…You’d have to convince people completely give up the insurance they have, whereas something that lets people keep the insurance they have but then offers the option of a public plan, that may evolve into single-payer.”

    My bad, those aren’t right-wingers, they’re left-wingers, AND they’re the ones actually writing the healthcare bill.

    And Sensico wonders how we could not trust the Dems…

  103. Gorilla,

    We are suppose to ignore all that. At least thats what the drones like Dodger and Sesico want us to do. We know this is a Trojan Horse and once its in, we cant get rid of it and it will grow. Thats the nature of government.

    Ohh and you forgot Thuggy said the same thing.

  104. Sensico, you need to read these. You really need to educate yourself on the reality of the working world. You may claim you don’t watch MSNBC, you you sound just like them, blind to the truth in front of your face.

    Geezers With Pitchforks Vs. The AARP
    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=334537436070333

    As In The Case Of Supply-Side Economics, Real Health Reform Happens At Margins
    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=334537938266367

    Are We In America Or Amerika?
    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=334537017263161

    So here we are, terrified of what is being underhandedly moved through Congress, and we have this as a back drop for context:

    Geithner Asks Congress to Increase Federal Debt Limit
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124970470294516541.html

    Deficit grew by $181 billion in July
    http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/deficit-grew-by-181-billion-in-july-2009-08-09.html

    Who’s going to pay for this? You? Really, I looked at being a marine biologist once too. Living off of grants isn’t going to provide much fiscally to the rest of society. That leaves those of us who work, hard, for every penny we get. I won’t speak for others, but I’m sure they’d agree, that we’ve little desire to finance this travesty, especially if our voice and input into it is purposely ignored.

    I’m NOT your piggy bank!

  105. Another one for Sensico, et al.

    Basic economics, that is all I ask of our leadership and we can’t get that. How can we expect small business to get any help when the one calling the shots has never run anything? You can’y ‘community organize’ financial success…

    Medicine and the New Slavery
    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=33068

  106. Obamateurism of the Day
    posted at 8:06 am on August 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    As Barack Obama continues to roll out his economic policy, he keeps demonstrating that he got his college degrees in law. Last week’s statement on the GDP numbers for the second quarter betrayed a lack of understanding of the data on which he was commenting. While the damage that the recession has done slowed in Q2, Obama tried passing that off as an improving economy:

    “Last week, we received a report on America’s Gross Domestic Product — a key measure of our economic’s [sic] health — and it showed marked improvement over the last few months.”

    The report showed that the GDP actually decreased by an annual rate of 1% in Q2. Now, that number isn’t as bad as Q1, but it shows that the economy got slightly worse in Q2, not that it improved — at all. It just didn’t get worse at the same rate as it did the previous quarter. Obama may want to take credit for slowing down the damage, but he’d be better off making that argument than trying to claim that a -1% GDP shows an improving economy.

    However, Obama then went the opposite direction by making this statement in the same speech:

    “As far as I’m concerned, we will not have a true recovery as long as we’re losing jobs, and we won’t rest until every American that is looking for work can find a job.”

    As far as he’s concerned? As far as anyone’s concerned, Obama can’t claim political credit for recovery while we see significant net job losses. In 2003, while the media and the Democrats assailed George Bush for his “jobless recovery,”, the US had a net gain in jobs — just not a significant jump, only 100,000 for the year. And if Obama is setting the bar for success as a 0% unemployment rate, he’s giving his opposition a big bat with which to beat him in 2010 and 2012.

    As an economist, Obama makes a passable … lawyer. (h/t HA reader R.S.)

  107. Supposedly, the economy was horrible under Bush, though we had the lowest unemployment rate in history. If you took the standards that the Dems applied to Bush, and applied them to Obama, Obama should be on the verge of impeachment right now for how horrible the economy is. Instead, it’d nothing but roses…

  108. Tsongas: I won’t take ObamaCare because I have better options
    posted at 8:48 am on August 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    Rep. Niki Tsongas (D-MA) manages to answer the question that Keith Ellison (D-MN) and the rest of her Obama-care supporting colleagues in both the House and Senate have avoided. The crowd, however, didn’t like the response very much, and lets Tsongas know it. At about the four-minute mark, one of Tsongas’ peons constitutents asks Tsongas whether she will commit to adopting ObamaCare for her own coverage and give up her so-called “Cadillac” or “gold-played” Congressional coverage, and that’s when Tsongas suddenly becomes concerned with protecting choice (via the boss):

    CONSTITUENT: My question to you, Congresswoman Tsongas, is that if this is such a great plan, why did you opt out of it when you took the vote [loud applause, standing ovation]?

    TSONGAS: People often say why don’t the American people have what those of us in Congress have. [Audience erupts] Let me explain what I have. Let me explain what I have. What I have is a tremendous array — you know, last year when I went to a discussion — what I have is a tremendous array of choices. And I made a choice based on what I was willing to pay for and what made sense in terms of coverage for me and my family. [Audience shouts out: “We want choice! We want choice!] This is essentially what we are creating for the American people. We are creating greater choice.

    [Smattering of applause overwhelmed by boos.]

    No, Representative Tsongas, you’re not creating choice. You’re restricting choice, both explicitly and implicitly. The ObamaCare bill explicitly forces private insurers into conformity in dictating coverages in order to qualify under state “exchanges”, which greatly reduces choice and will almost certainly wipe out at least some existing private plans. Implicitly, the public option will undercut private insurers and give businesses a chance to opt out of providing coverage at all — which means as many as 83 million Americans will lose their insurance in the first ten years. Thanks to the rules set up by ObamaCare, those people will have no choice at all but to take the public option.

    But who won’t have to worry about losing their insurance? Congress, of course. They get to set the rules to ensure that ObamaCare applies to us but not to them. Reminds one of royalty does it not? That’s why the Tea Parties have become so popular these days, and one of many reasons why ObamaCare offends the sensibilities of Americans.

    This axiom applies: Beware the cook who won’t eat his own food. Perhaps the best way to make that clear to Tsongas is to get her out of Congress and make sure she loses that Congressional coverage as fast as possible.

  109. The other folks who don’t have to worry about it is the Unions. Yup, the unions are exempt from the plan- doesn’t that sound like another payout to loyal political supporters?

    Just like the auto industry, Obama is rewarding political lackies while the rest of us take it in the ole brown eye.

  110. Obama math:

    Negative job growth + negative GDP growth + negative federal tax revenue + record government deficits = and improving economy.

    At what point, I wonder, do liberals become honest and begin to wave the BS flag on this administration? Who am I kidding, it won’t happen, but it will be the death knell of the Dems in 2010 and 2012.

  111. Hoyer, Pelosi call protests against ObamaCare “un-American”
    posted at 9:30 am on August 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    I guess the Democrats have really decided to go nuclear in support of ObamaCare. In the face of massive protests at townhall meetings as elected officials face their constituents, Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer have a new strategy to avoid accountability. They simply have decided to call protests “un-American.” No, I’m not kidding, and they did it in print (via Cuffy Meigs):

    However, it is now evident that an ugly campaign is underway not merely to misrepresent the health insurance reform legislation, but to disrupt public meetings and prevent members of Congress and constituents from conducting a civil dialogue. These tactics have included hanging in effigy one Democratic member of Congress in Maryland and protesters holding a sign displaying a tombstone with the name of another congressman in Texas, where protesters also shouted “Just say no!” drowning out those who wanted to hold a substantive discussion.

    These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views — but of the facts themselves. Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades.

    Health care is complex. It touches every American life. It drives our economy. People must be allowed to learn the facts.

    I can’t think of three better reasons to get government out of health care than that it’s “complex,” “it touches every American life,” and “it drives our economy.” However, it’s now apparently un-American to say that it in public. Will Pelosi and Hoyer set up a tip line for un-American activities, such as flag@house.gov? Maybe they’ll just recreate the House Un-American Activities Committee to hold hearings and demand testimony. After all, that effort had such a glorious history of operating on the same principles Hoyer and Pelosi espouse here, which can be boiled down to “shut up and do what you’re told.”

    We know that members of Congress don’t read bills before voting on them. Now we find out that they don’t read the Constitution before taking the oath of office that demands loyalty to it. We know that because, in the First Amendment, the Constitution not only protects the right of free speech but also the right to petition government for a “redress of grievances.” That means that people unhappy with the direction of government have the right — in fact, have a duty — to air their grievances to their elected officials and demand better governance.

    There could be nothing more American than appearing at a town hall and confronting elected officials over their wrong-headed policies, especially when those policies accrue more power to the federal government and eliminate freedom of choice for American citizens. Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer don’t agree. They apparently believe that their elected positions gives them the right to dictate to the country, and the right to be free of protest and dissent. In other words, they see themselves as royalty — as if they themselves were the state, and any protest is un-American simply because it opposes their policies.

    They’re impugning your patriotism for using the First Amendment. That tells us everything we need to know about the Democratic majorities in the House and the Senate. This is a new low in American politics, and both Pelosi and Hoyer are foolish enough to put it in USA Today for all to see it.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/10/hoyer-pelosi-call-protests-against-obamacare-un-american/

    Feel proud Dodger? These are your leaders. When are you going to call them out. I promise I wont call you a racsist, bigot, or sexist for denouncing these vile POS. I promise.

  112. Hoyer, Pelosi call protests against ObamaCare “un-American”
    posted at 9:30 am on August 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    I guess the Democrats have really decided to go nuclear in support of ObamaCare. In the face of massive protests at townhall meetings as elected officials face their constituents, Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer have a new strategy to avoid accountability. They simply have decided to call protests “un-American.” No, I’m not kidding, and they did it in print (via Cuffy Meigs):

    However, it is now evident that an ugly campaign is underway not merely to misrepresent the health insurance reform legislation, but to disrupt public meetings and prevent members of Congress and constituents from conducting a civil dialogue. These tactics have included hanging in effigy one Democratic member of Congress in Maryland and protesters holding a sign displaying a tombstone with the name of another congressman in Texas, where protesters also shouted “Just say no!” drowning out those who wanted to hold a substantive discussion.

    These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views — but of the facts themselves. Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades.

    Health care is complex. It touches every American life. It drives our economy. People must be allowed to learn the facts.

    I can’t think of three better reasons to get government out of health care than that it’s “complex,” “it touches every American life,” and “it drives our economy.” However, it’s now apparently un-American to say that it in public. Will Pelosi and Hoyer set up a tip line for un-American activities, such as flag @ house .gov? Maybe they’ll just recreate the House Un-American Activities Committee to hold hearings and demand testimony. After all, that effort had such a glorious history of operating on the same principles Hoyer and Pelosi espouse here, which can be boiled down to “shut up and do what you’re told.”

    We know that members of Congress don’t read bills before voting on them. Now we find out that they don’t read the Constitution before taking the oath of office that demands loyalty to it. We know that because, in the First Amendment, the Constitution not only protects the right of free speech but also the right to petition government for a “redress of grievances.” That means that people unhappy with the direction of government have the right — in fact, have a duty — to air their grievances to their elected officials and demand better governance.

    There could be nothing more American than appearing at a town hall and confronting elected officials over their wrong-headed policies, especially when those policies accrue more power to the federal government and eliminate freedom of choice for American citizens. Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer don’t agree. They apparently believe that their elected positions gives them the right to dictate to the country, and the right to be free of protest and dissent. In other words, they see themselves as royalty — as if they themselves were the state, and any protest is un-American simply because it opposes their policies.

    They’re impugning your patriotism for using the First Amendment. That tells us everything we need to know about the Democratic majorities in the House and the Senate. This is a new low in American politics, and both Pelosi and Hoyer are foolish enough to put it in USA Today for all to see it.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/10/hoyer-pelosi-call-protests-against-obamacare-un-american/

    Feel proud Dodger? These are your leaders. When are you going to call them out. I promise I wont call you a racsist, bigot, or sexist for denouncing these vile POS. I promise.

  113. Gorilla,

    You should feel lucky. A lot of sites wont even allow one link without it going to moderation. I’ll give Dodger credit where its due. He is very tolerant of opposing views, more so then his leadership in the Demomarxist party. He might dodge them, but he does allow them.

  114. Well gang, all great things must come to an end. Today, I return to Purgatory, I mean medical school, to finish what I started. As of 2:00 CST, my life becomes one big mud hole.

    I’ll be back once or twice a week hopefully to check up on the infighting, gig Big O, and make fun of progressives.

    Rabbit, congrats and good luck with fatherhood. Elric, thanks for the links. Gorilla and Joe, wish I could have gotten to know you better, Red – hopefully no hard feelings as some of that in jest, Sensico good luck with your new job.

    And most of all to Rutherford, thanks for the use of the blog to sound off. You’ve been a good sport. Good luck in the business aspect too.

    P.S. – Krauthammer has an excellent article (as usual) about health care reform everyone should read. I don’t totally agree with it, mainly because I don’t trust corporations either that insure most of us as benefit, but I can’t argue with it.

    Hope you’ll give thought to some of my questions to you of a personal nature.

    See you soon ~ Tex

  115. I certainly have to agree, and to be honest, I am surprised at the relative few liberals I see on the blog. I count two, R and Sensico, maybe Curator as well. I went to Sensico’s blog, but that was like watching MSNBC on steroids and I don’t think I saw a single dissenting voice.

    I like debate, and R does a good job at it when he comments, though I don’t see him as much as I would have originally thought (no dig at R). Sensico is a seagull though, swoop in, drops some crap, and then swoops out. Clearly someone with a lot of experience to share with the group… 😉

  116. Gorilla, your buy everyone lunch analogy is simplistic but effective. My problem is that I find the Rick Santelli approach to capitalism (I worked for mine so f*ck you) comes off awfully selfish.

    It’s fascinating to me how those who are so quick to pronounce the USA a Christian country exhibit the least of Christian virtues. If by a combination of hard work and damn good luck (yes Gorilla, you’ve been lucky … it’s not simply that you’re some genius) you can afford a Cadillac health plan then why can’t you give up a little to help those whose luck has been piss poor, get more than just catastrophic coverage?

    I asked earlier in this thread about whether anyone signed up for Peter Schiff’s idea that all insurance should be catastrophic only. Sounds like you do … at least for the poor.

  117. “You can afford a Cadillac health plan then why can’t you give up a little to help those whose luck has been piss poor, get more than just catastrophic coverage?”

    Let me put it in this way Dodger. What gives the government the right to take your money and give it to someone else? Most people call that thievery. You already have Medicare, Medicaid and they just expanded the S-Chip program to cover the needs of those you just described.

    And still waiting for you to answer on what gives you such faith in the government to trust you and your children’s health to control it.

  118. Hey Tex, good luck cracking the books again! Remember, you may be the only one standing between someone being healthy or winding up in front of Obama’s Death Panel. 👿 😉

    Don’t be a stranger dude! 🙂

  119. AIP column: Many Ounces of Prevention
    posted at 10:12 am on August 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    One of the underlying assumptions about ObamaCare and health-care reform in general is that the private sector allowed costs to get out of control by not emphasizing preventive care, especially with the uninsured and underinsured. Barack Obama himself regularly touts the cost savings that would be realized if we just provided an effective battery of preventive tests and services that would delay or avoid expensive illnesses later in American lives. Unfortunately, the CBO analyzed this proposition, and in a letter to the ranking Republican on the House health subcommittee of the Energy and Commerce Committee, explodes that argument. My AIP column (delayed from last week) looks at the Obama canard and what it means for ObamaCare:

    Responding to inquiries from Rep. Nathan Deal, the ranking Republican on the health-care subcommittee of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Elmendorf said that increasing prevention programs would necessarily increase the costs of delivering health care, not decrease them as Obama and his allies have argued:

    “In making its estimates of the budgetary effects of expanded governmental support for preventive care, CBO takes into account any estimated savings that would result from greater use of such care as well as the estimated costs of that additional care. Although different types of preventive care have different effects on spending, the evidence suggests that for most preventive services, expanded utilization leads to higher, not lower, medical spending overall.”

    Why? President Obama’s underlying assumption for health-care reform is based on the proverb that “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.” That’s true – for those who eventually need the cure. However, as Elmendorf points out in his letter to Deal, not everyone develops preventable costly illnesses. …

    That doesn’t make prevention less valuable, but it makes sense to target prevention rather than assume everyone will get the disease without it. When we have to assume that everyone may get every disease and run tests for everyone constantly for early detection, then the utilization of the system will rapidly increase – and so will the costs.

    No one will argue with the value of preventive care. However, it only is a cost savings to those patients who don’t eventually develop a disease or who catch one early enough to use less costly treatments to cure it. Common sense tells us that a rapid increase in utilization will create cost increases, not decreases, and that the savings will only come in the long term — and as the CBO discovered, will not cover the cost increases.

    Arguing that this effort will save money is dishonest. Unfortunately for Obama, that’s the only argument he has for fiscal responsibility and cost savings in Obamacare, or at least the only one that doesn’t involve heavy rationing of services.

    Be sure to read the whole column, and visit Yid With Lid to get his thoughts on the Elmendorf letter. While you’re at AIP, catch up with AIP’s great stable of bloggers. John Hanlon looks at the environmental impact of Cash for Clunkers, Jimmy Bise notes that the ACLU has suddenly become very trustful of executive power, and Despina Karras says we don’t have death panels in ObamaCare yet, but it’s almost as bad.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/10/aip-column-many-ounces-of-prevention/

  120. I am surprised at the relative few liberals I see on the blog.

    Gorilla, you’re not the only one who’s surprised. This fact persists to my never ending consternation and I’m beginning to lose faith that my fellow libs have the stomach for a good fight.

    Oh well, web hits have no political persuasion and you guys have certainly increased my traffic! 🙂

  121. Curator is left to Dodger and Sensico. Far left.

    And that’s why I love him so! 😉 He’ll say stuff even I wouldn’t say! I get a Chris-Matthews tingle up my leg every time he pisses you guys off. 🙂

  122. Rutheford,

    Hey Tex, good luck cracking the books again! Remember, you may be the only one standing between someone being healthy or winding up in front of Obama’s Death Panel.

    😆 😆 😆

    If I find out he’s a Democrat, he’s a dead man! 😈

    Pretty good “R”.

  123. The more I watch of that Linda Douglass buffoon defending that Obama sell of the single payer, the more I shake my head.

    I can’t believe that our elite media shills, themselves most dumber than dirt, are claiming that this video is nothing but spin. It comes out of Obama’s mouth and we aren’t too believe it Linda? 😆

    Our MSM has gotten so pitiful, they should be laughed at like the carnies in the freak shows. There’s now 13 of them from these hack lib newspapers and pundit shows working in the Obama Administration. I’ve heard of being caught in a lie – but damn if I’ve never witnessed a so-called educated Obama MSM shill deny the very words from an Obama speech and spin it as cuts from a multitude of video clips.

    I give Howard Kurtz credit for at least asking some difficult questions, including Linda Douglass’ allegiances. Is there anybody out there with a straight face that now denies the MSM, short of FOX News and AM radio aren’t wiping the sweat from Obama’s gonads?

  124. R,

    I think is the certificate you should be concerned with.
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764

    Since you bring up ‘giving’…

    Bleeding Heart Tightwads
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html?_r=1&hp

    A slight glimpse into who I am, I came from an extremely poor background. I’m not talking today’s “poor”, I’m talking sometimes having electricity and living in an environment where subsistance living is necessary. We didn’t hunt and fish because it was fun (which it is), but because we needed food.

    I have put myself through school, working through both my bachelors and masters degrees. I’ve done it but not wasting money and by being responsible. An experience that will live with me forever- and ever warns me of hand outs.

    When I was in high school, I bagged groceries and I can remember the lady coming in with two or three kids on food stamps, eating steak, fresh fruits and veggies, etc, and then using cash to pay for cigarettes and beer. I’d bag the stuff help take it to the car where the boyfriend would be sitting. Then I remember folks coming in, married with kids, but had to get baloney, hotdogs, ground beef, etc. They didn’t get much, just enough.

    You tell me which is right? Should there be a safety net in society, sure. But I’ll be damned if I can work, put myself through school, go without things in life, so that I can become successful and then carry the load of some other deadbeat- and they’re nothing more than that.

    Sure liberals are generous, and sure, they’re all about helping the down trodden, just as long as it is with OTHER peoples money…

  125. Curator is left to Dodger and Sensico. Far left.

    BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    These wingnuts label me as some left wing wacko probably because Red Pill told them I actually supported John McCain in 2000 over Boy George. 2000 was the first time I ever voted for a Democrat. I was a passive Republican ever since I joined the military in 1982. It wasn’t until I became politically aware, got out of the military after 12 years and started to listen to what the “conservative” message was that I started to question their policies of the GOP.
    Today’s conservatives have been indoctrinated to believe that everything that has to do with our government is evil no matter how much they benefit from its services. They listen unquestionably to what is preached on right-wing radio as though it were a religion. They’ve voluntarily opened their minds to be programmed by the right-wing, never once questioning whether it’s to their detriment.

    I find this post to be pretty outstanding. I don’t now who the author is but it is making the rounds on the Internet.

    I AM AN AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE SHITHEEL


    This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug administration.

    At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issed by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school.

    After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the department of labor and the occupational safety and health administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to ny house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it’s valuables thanks to the local police department.

    I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration and post on freerepublic.com and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can’t do anything right.

  126. Sometimes the facts just out weigh the propaganda…

    — Although liberal families’ incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

    — Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

    — Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.

    — Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.

    — In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.

    — People who reject the idea that “government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality” give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

  127. Tex,

    Well all they can do is lie because all they have it lies. Thuggy said he wants to eventually go to a single payer system. He had no reason to lie then, he was some State senator that voted present.

  128. Which is why you sound like a left-wing zealot now?

    I don’t know, maybe I’m splitting hairs, but I don’t equate predicting the weather with government managed healthcare. And maybe you should scroll up a bit, you’ll see the link to the record deficits we’re getting under this administration.

    If folks ran their homes like the government does, where would we be? Oh yeah, people WERE running theirs homes like that, hense the housing collapse.

    Thanks, but no thanks…

    And do you seriously compare local government responsibility with federal government responsibility?

  129. Thank you for proving my point Curator.

    Please do explain how I proved your point.

    Spin machine starting in 5,4,3,2….

  130. House Dems set up healthcare ‘war room’
    By Jared Allen
    Posted: 08/10/09 07:47 AM [ET]
    House Democratic leaders have set up a healthcare “war room” to help their rank-and-file members navigate a tumultuous August in which they find themselves on the defensive on their signature issue.

    The effort is being run out of Majority Leader Steny Hoyer’s (D-Md.) office, but is being manned around the clock by a rotation of leadership and key committee staff members, according to leadership aides.

    http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/house-dems-set-up-healthcare-war-room-2009-08-10.html

    Thuggery finds a new low

  131. Deficit grows by $181 billion in July, hits $1,300,000,000,000
    posted at 11:36 am on August 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    While Congress debates how to take over the health-care industry, more evidence arrives that shows it can’t even handle the business it has already. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the federal deficit accelerated in July by $181,000,000,000 ($181 billion) and hit $1,300,000,000,000 ($1.3 trillion) for 2009. The massive new hit to the annual deficit comes from rapidly falling revenues, and an even more rapid increase in spending:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/10/deficit-grows-by-181-billion-in-july-hits-1300000000000/

    Gee I dont why I dont trust the government with my health care or anything else.

  132. We’re told so much about how things are getting better. You know, all those negatives are really, in the end, positive.

    OK, bankruptcies up ~ 35% from this time last year, and with the credit card legislation that was passed, you’ll see fewer credit cards given, which will then translate into decreased consumer spending. Sure, may be a great idea in the long term, but for getting out the recession, it’ll hurt.

    No one is even talking about the commercial realestate collapse coming either…

  133. Curator the Ignorant,

    What you do in the military? Peel potatoes in the kitchen? You’re about as much a war hero as John Walker Lindh.

    You think that letter is incriminating, do you? The former USSR could make most of the same claims before they bit the dust. Most lackeys in the European Union can make many of the same claims too. Big deal – none of those countries mentioned are worth a shit and that’s the difference between you and me.

    You think government is the answer to everything and would like us to copy the Western European model. I think government is simply the inept overseer and regulator, and innovation left to the pubic sector once again proving individual talent beats government shill everytime. Tell you what. When I get the time, I’ll rewrite that proving how inept many of the organizations are you’ve named. But here’s one.

    In 1982 we were flying the space shuttle. In 2009, we were flying the space shuttle. That’s real progress for $18B a year pal! 😉

  134. Net approval for Dem Senators declining twice as fast as GOP counterparts
    posted at 12:58 pm on August 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Barack Obama’s approval ratings have rapidly declined as more of his hard-Left agenda hits the table and the economy begins to decline, but Obama’s not the only person who has that problem. Eric Ostermeier at Smart Politics looks at polling numbers from Survey USA and finds that almost everyone in the Senate has lost ground with voters. However, net approval for Democrats has declined twice as much as Republicans:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/10/dem-senators-declining-twice-as-fast-as-gop-counterparts/

    Some good news at least

  135. I think is the certificate you should be concerned with.

    You’re kidding right? This certificate is what my entire hoax in the main post is about. The certificate has been proven to be a copy of one by an Australian with a few minor changes made. Orly Taitz is a crackpot badly in need of help. (If you click on “my birth certificate” in he main post, you’ll go to a web site where you can create your very own genuine Kenyan BC. Have fun!)

    As for your background, are you saying your experience confirms the myth of the welfare queen? Any possibility if you saw a wider cross section of people you wouldn’t jump to conclusions about the intent and motivations of the needy? As for the poor you encountered whose priorities were out of whack by your standards, do you think that mind set is limited to the poor? Soon after I got laid off in 2007, I had to put myself in check because I’d been playing the stock market and then came to the brilliant realization, “pretty soon I’ll be struggling to pay my mortgage. Why am I gambling right now?”

    The fact is, and I say this without a hint of sarcasm, you have lived the American Dream. This is one of the few countries where someone can come from meager circumstances and make a great life for themselves by virtue of hard work (and a couple of breaks). I commend you for that. But I think you make a mistake when you think that anyone who didn’t get to where you are, from where you came, is therefore lazy and taking advantage of the system.

  136. Tex,

    What you do in the military? Peel potatoes in the kitchen? You’re about as much a war hero as John Walker Lindh.

    Please point to the post where I said I was a war hero. Do you routinely disparage all those who served in the military or just the ones who don’t cotton to your worldview?

    Lindh was a traitor, so I guess you are comparing me to his kind huh… disloyal; unpatriotic; a traitor; a liberal. I guess if you would have seen me in uniform back in the day you would have spit on me in an airport.

    Tex Taylor the proud conservative who would rather spit on a liberal serving his county in uniform than shake his hand.

    How proud they are of you at freerepublic.

  137. I find this post to be pretty outstanding. I don’t now who the author is but it is making the rounds on the Internet.

    Damn, Curator you beat me to the punch. I was going to ask “the gang” if any of them are anarchists since they obviously have no trust in the government. Your post couldn’t have put it better!

  138. OH NOES!!!! I don’t want Tex to leave us for long periods of time……good luck in med school.
    I think more liberals just don’t know about this blog and therefore don’t comment 🙂
    And if I was a seagull, Gorilla, I’d be happy to bestow the honor of bird crap upon your head.
    I understand the lunch food analogy, I believe in my effort to mock Rabbit, I did admit to being a victim of lunch food bureaucracy lol. I’m not much of a giver anyways, but when the poor is lifted in this country then it benefits all of us. More people paying taxes, means better infrastructure, schools, so on. Places like the secretary of state would function for more days in the week so I can get my license plate on time! The post office would be funded so that they would have awkward hours. More safety with more police on the streets where needed and the fire departments would be adequately funded. I could go on, but you should get the point by now.
    I don’t see what’s wrong with giving health care to those in need. Employers would have more efficient employees and I wont have to be disgusted when I see some sick kid in the McDonald’s drive thru because they couldn’t see the doctors!

  139. as more of his hard-Left agenda hits the table and the economy begins to decline

    LOL I didn’t know the economy began to decline under Obama’s hard left agenda. Gosh, things were so good until the old Marxist took over! 😀

  140. Sensico doesn’t watch cable news everyone.

    Nope. She didn’t even watch the 6 cable news shows she has posted on her blog in the last week or so.

  141. “LOL I didn’t know the economy began to decline under Obama’s hard left agenda. Gosh, things were so good until the old Marxist took over! :-D”

    No, he just took a bad situation and quadrupled it.

    Sensico,

    No rebuttal? Didnt think so.

  142. SEIU Recruits Obamacare Supporters to ‘Drown Out Voices’ in Conn. (Pelosi Will Be Appalled at the ‘Un-Americanness’)

    Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer decided to double down on some pretty distasteful messaging today, calling some of the opposition to health care reform, “un-American” in a USA Today op-ed. Specifically, this is what the Speaker finds so unpatriotic:

    These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views — but of the facts themselves. Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/08/seiu_recruits_obamacare_suppor.asp

    There you go Dodger, the politburo is hiring in your home state

  143. “Damn, Curator you beat me to the punch. I was going to ask “the gang” if any of them are anarchists since they obviously have no trust in the government. Your post couldn’t have put it better!”

    Still waiting for your answer on why you have such confidence in the government that you will place you and your kids health in its care.

  144. I wonder if Tex considers this guy (who is obviously an anti-war liberal) a traitor?

    This Marine ended up turning against our occupation in Iraq.

    Is he a traitor as well?

    Today Marine Lance Cpl. James Blake Miller wonders whether there was a peaceful way, to find terrorists in Iraq without invading.

    “What have we gained as a country?

    “I mean, how would we feel if they came over and started something here?” he asked. “I’m glad that I fought for my country. But looking back on it, I wouldn’t do it all over again.”

    The freedoms you so richly enjoy have been purchased over the past 230 years by men and women like those you denigrate. I only served 12 years and never saw any sort of combat the likes of what Cpl. Miller saw. The closest I ever got was Dhahran in early 1991 when a scud fell on some Navy quartermasters barracks. I like everybody else was in a bunker with my gas mask listening to the sirens wail. It hit less than a mile away and we drove a couple forklifts over to help clear debris.

  145. Barone: Of course Obama wants a single-payer system
    posted at 2:56 pm on August 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Michael Barone qualifies himself for Linda Douglass’ ire by holding Barack Obama accountable for his own words, and those of his Congressional allies, in the ObamaCare debate. Michael analyzes a video posted last May by Verum Serum (also posted at Hot Air) in which the origins of the Trojan horse of a public plan get revealed. He concludes that the primary dishonesty in this debate is the attempt by the White House to scrub its record of supporting single payer:

  146. FWIW, I watch a few clips of cable news online, but I don’t watch it on the Tee Vee. Let me know when Rabbit is done throwing a temper tantrum lol. and not to get technical but unless you point which video you’re nagging about, I’ll have to assume channel 6 is technically local news…. 😛

    and “No rebuttal” to what? Am I expected to answer every comment here that doesn’t agree with what I think. That would require I comment on nearly everyone of Elric’s link postings and that ain’t happening.

  147. Video: How ObamaCare will ration care
    posted at 4:05 pm on August 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Short, funny, and to the point, from our friends at the Independence Institute. If you want to know how ObamaCare will likely control costs, look no further than Oregon’s management of Medicaid spending. Instead of having doctors give “best practices” and having treatment decisions stay between a patient and his/her doctor, Oregon’s politicians draw up a priority list each year for treatment funding. If your condition is higher on the politicians’ list, you’ll get more priority for treatment. If it’s lower, or not on it at all, then you can expect to deal with a pain in the ass — literally:

    Advanced breast and prostate cancers aren’t covered, but anti-smoking treatment is? Acute respiratory infections aren’t covered, but weight loss is? You can get treatment covered for moderate depression, but serious anti-social behavior is left untreated? Sounds like the anti-tobacco lobby did a good job in Oregon.

    As for the fissure problem, that definitely sounds like a job for Congress. In fact, it sounds exactly like Congress.

  148. Protester: My family was threatened after I spoke up at Dingell town hall
    posted at 5:05 pm on August 10, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    That’s what you get for being un-American, pal. Someone in the comments to our Headlines item on Pelosi’s and Hoyer’s op-ed this morning suggested it was part of a wink-wink-nudge-nudge scheme by Democrats to legitimize violence against protesters. I won’t go that far — questioning her opponents’ patriotism is actually par for the course for Madam Speaker — but it truly is amazing to think how many “climate of hate” pieces have been written about the right’s rhetorical excesses vis-a-vis the near total pass the left’s gotten over the past week. We’ve had congressmen screeching about “political terrorists,” “brown shirts,” and “rabid animals,” Senators denouncing “un-American” activities, the DNC running ads about “angry mobs,” the president himself telling his opponents to shut up and get out of the way, and the Democratic brain trust now setting up a “war room” to respond to health-care “attacks.” Glenn Beck’s said repeatedly on his show that he supports nonviolent resistance only, but a fat lot of good that’s done him with liberals more interested in the “subtext” of his messaging; pray tell, what “subtext” should we glean from the dehumanizing venom being spit by the Democratic leadership over the past 10 days?

    Be happy, I guess, that they’ve finally found a war they can support unequivocally, where for once there’s no need to ponder the “root causes” that alienated the other side.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/10/protester-my-family-was-threatened-after-i-spoke-up-at-dingell-town-hall/

    Feeling proud Dodger? For some reason you keeping dodging that question. 🙂

  149. Elric,

    sensico never really makes a rebuttle when they involve detail.

    You called her out on specific sections of the Quran. Trust me, she isn’t responding.

    Honestly, the chick comes in here and says things like “Taxes are good. They pay for cops and fire fighters”.

    Or, “The protesters are a bussed in mob.”

    And that’s about it, man.

    There will be no give or take. It just bumper stickers.

  150. DR,

    Thanks. I forgot who I was debating with. Drones never give substantive answers.

    Oh and have you noticed, since Thuggy took over, the MSM “mysteriously” disregarded the minute by minute death count in Iraq? Just today 55 dead 300 wounded and nothing. If it was under Bush, it would be the ‘ol “Its a quagmire” usual BS.

  151. Maybe I could post hundreds of links and copy and paste from articles. Then maybe I can be a little more substantive. If that will stop your nagging, then I’ll try it out 🙂

  152. Teabaggers Upset Health Care Town Hall Held in Black Church
    by: Chris Bowers
    Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 17:08

    Disclaimer: I am working on Joe Sestak’s campaign–Chris

    Young Philly Politics has the response from the local conservative health care protesters to Congressman Joe Sestak holding a townhall meeting in a predominately African-American church in Philadelphia:

    http://www.openleft.com/diary/14553/teabaggers-upset-health-care-town-hall-held-in-black-church

    wow, the teabaggers can’t help themselves. Maybe Rabbit would like to join them and do what teabaggers do.

  153. Obama: Canadian health care model won’t work in U.S.
    Posted: August 10th, 2009 03:01 PM ET
    Speaking in Mexico Monday, President Obama said a Canadian model for health care won’t work in the United States.
    Speaking in Mexico Monday, President Obama said a Canadian model for health care won’t work in the United States.

    GUADALAJRA, Mexico (CNN) — President Barack Obama said Monday that Canada’s government-run health care model won’t work in the United States.

    “We’ve got to develop a uniquely American approach to this problem,” Obama said at the final news conference of his North American summit with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Mexican President Felipe Calderon.

    Opponents of health-care legislation in the U.S. House and Senate say it will lead to a single-payer system like the government-run program in Canada, with some warning the Canadian system means restrictions on treatments and long delays.

    Obama noted the U.S. system is based on employers providing health insurance for most Americans. Throwing that out would be too radical an overhaul, he said.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/10/obama-canadian-health-care-model-wont-work-in-u-s/

    but I’m sure the conservatives will continue to misrepresent Obama on this issue anyways…

  154. Radio host visited by Secret Service after alleged threat against Obama

    A Brooksville, Florida radio talk show host had his wig tightened by the U.S. Secret Service after an agent paid him a visit over an alleged threat against the President of the United States.

    Right wing pundit Bob Haa, whose station — WWJB AM 1450 — also airs Neoconservative talkers like Sean Hannity and Michael Savage, says he made no threat against President Barack Obama when a listener called up to talk about his ammunition collection and antipathy toward the current administration.

    http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/08/radio-host-visited-by-secret-service-after-alleged-threat-against-obama/

    Too bad it wasn’t Limbaugh. But, because the right, loves their fringe radio hosts, I’m sure he’ll still have a job.

  155. Dingell responds to tumultuous town hall
    @ 3:22 pm by Eric Zimmermann

    Police had to escort the father of a man with cerebral palsy out of Rep. John Dingell’s (D-Mich.) town hall last night after the man confronted the Congressman and shouted him down.

    Today, Dingell released a statement citing the “passionate” nature of the debate and offering the man a one-on-one meeting. So far, the constituent has declined.

    http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/08/10/dingell-responds-to-tumultuous-town-hall/

    The constituent doesn’t want to have a peaceful discussion. Instead he wants to yell. Also looks like people that would benefit from health care reform are being fed misconceptions.

  156. What is this about a protestor dropping a gun at Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) townhall last week.

    “Yelling and screaming is counterproductive,” she told the Sierra Vista Herald at a Congress on Your Corner event last week. There, one visitor dropped a gun at the meet n’ greet held in a Douglas Safeway, her staff says.

    That has aides, who called police to the event, concerned for her safety.

    “We have never felt the need before to notify law enforcement when we hold these events,” said spokesman C.J. Karamargin.

  157. Recovery in Action: CA, KS, MD, MI, and WI
    Posted by Nathan Sterken

    “Michigan has turned a new page in its industrial history, and the city of Livonia may be a part of a chapter yet to be written on battery technology” – so said The Livonia Observer yesterday. The story was discussing a massive investment of Recovery funds in producing the next generation of batteries here in America, and is just one of several stories that demonstrate the wide impact of the Recovery Act.

    In addition to financing next-generation technology in Michigan, funds provided by the Recovery Act created jobs in California, prevented layoffs in Kansas, and extended unemployment insurance benefits in Wisconsin:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Recovery-in-Action-CA-KS-MD-MI-and-WI/

    Waaaaaah :surprise: what’s this? the recovery package is making positive impacts on communities. Waaaaaht 🙂 But, I know the conservatives here won’t read it because it’s on the white house blog, even though they link to external news sites.

    Anyways, I’m done, I have to go work 🙂

  158. “Maybe I could post hundreds of links and copy and paste from articles. Then maybe I can be a little more substantive. If that will stop your nagging, then I’ll try it out :)”

    I directly rebutted your little multicultural rhetoric. If you want to dodge, thats fine. Thats what drones do.

  159. Libs never miss an opportunity to play the race card. Pathetic

    MSNBC anchor: Is “socialist” the new “N-word”?
    posted at 6:21 pm on August 10, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    Via the ‘Busters. Let’s address his question with a thought experiment. If the very caucasian President Hillary had pushed through an $800 billion stimulus atrocity, taken control of General Motors and fired the company’s chairman, passed cap-and-trade, and then made her move on universal health care, you think any angry conservatives might have dropped the S-bomb on her? Have conservatives ever been known to call Hillary Clinton a socialist in the past, perchance? Then there’s your answer.

    This clip goes hand in hand with Cynthia Tucker’s moronic guesstimate that 45-65 percent of town hall protesters are probably racist. It’s precisely because racism is such a radioactive accusation that the left is willing to play fast and loose with the evidence, to the point where they’ll declare something like the Obama/Joker poster “racial” simply by free-associating their way from the image itself to some racist stereotype they can use against the right. Philip Kennicott, the author of that WaPo piece, said it as well as anyone could: “I think race operates in popular culture under the level of explicit consciousness.” In other words, even if you’re not consciously a racist, you’re a racist subconsciously so long as some liberal can free-associate an argument that you are. Neat how that works.

  160. Video: The mother of all ObamaCare lies
    posted at 8:45 pm on August 10, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    Via Breitbart. Naked Emperor News is calling this “Obama’s Mother of All Political Lies,” but that’s overselling it. The true mother of all Obama lies is his pledge not to raise taxes on the middle class. In fact, this isn’t even the biggest lie he’s told about ObamaCare; that would be his promise to somehow make the program deficit-neutral. What this may be is the biggest lie he’s told about “changing the culture in Washington,” a key element of the Hopenchange mythos that’s rapidly disintegrated as he’s made waiver after waiver for the lobbyists he claimed would never work for his administration and ignored the five-day waiting period for public debate he swore would precede his signature on bills passed by Congress. Those sins were venial compared to the bargain he struck with pharmaceutical companies, though: In return for the feds agreeing not to try to negotiate lower drug prices once ObamaCare is in effect, pharma’s going to go all out to the tune of $150 million in advertising to get the bill passed and hand The One the political victory he’s desperate for. Won’t that mean much higher costs for the program than it might otherwise have had? Sure, but so what? The point here is getting Obama reelected, not designing the most efficient possible health-care program. And after all, it’s your money, not his. Even lefties like Robert Reich can’t believe it’s come to this.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/10/video-the-mother-of-all-obamacare-lies/

    So Dodger, how does it feel being punked by Thuggy?

  161. Curator: “These wingnuts label me as some left wing wacko probably because Red Pill told them I actually supported John McCain in 2000 over Boy George.”

    Nope. I don’t think this group knows we’ve been online debate opponents for close to 10 years.

    Tex: Life’s too short to keep hard feelings over Internet words. Good luck with classes. And don’t forget to read up on bonobos.

    Sensico: “Am I expected to answer every comment here that doesn’t agree with what I think.”

    Pretty much.

    Unfortunately, not everyone who demands it from others does so themself.

    “Maybe I could post hundreds of links and copy and paste from articles. Then maybe I can be a little more substantive.”

    That’s checkmate, Elric.

    Elric: “I directly rebutted your little multicultural rhetoric. If you want to dodge, thats fine. Thats what drones do”

    We could count on both hands the number of truely substantive comments you have left on this blog, and still have fingers left over.

    You call people drones, and all you do is drone with links and copied articles.

  162. “We could count on both hands the number of truely substantive comments you have left on this blog, and still have fingers left over.

    You call people drones, and all you do is drone with links and copied articles.”

    Hey DOI, how the hell are you?

  163. Oh and btw DOI, how sad is it that your obsession with me is so great, you side with the drones which you have nothing in common with except the compulsion to defend islam? Or is that all it takes? 🙂

  164. I don’t blame Clinton one bit. That dude was purposely trying to disrespect her. Is there a reason the Rabbit isn’t aware of that caused such a question?

  165. DR,

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton lost her cool Monday after a Congolese student, speaking through a translator, asked her what “Mr. Clinton” thought about a Chinese trade deal with the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

    “You want me to tell you what my husband thinks?” Clinton replied, clearly irked by the thought of being her husband Bill’s spokeswoman.

    “My husband is not secretary of state, I am,” she replied. “If you want my opinion I will tell you my opinion. I am not going to be channeling my husband.”

    The only problem? Apparently the translator made a mistake and the student had wanted to know what President Obama thought of the deal. A State Department official tells ABC News the student went up to Clinton after the event and told her he was misquoted. No immediate word yet how Clinton responded.

    Besides, she is suppose to be a Diplomat. She didnt get the nickname Shillary for nothing.

  166. Curator the Tacit War Hero,

    Do you routinely disparage all those who served in the military or just the ones who don’t cotton to your worldview?

    Just the Benedict Arnold, potato peelin’ lackeys who continually disparage conservative America What’s your claim to fame Rambo? Bad Conduct Discharge?

  167. Yeah….maybe she was a little heavy handed. But, she was clearly getting her balls busted. There was even a snicker when the translator asked the question.

    Not her most tactful moment to be sure.

  168. Now if Kenneth Gladney was a liberal …

    I heard an interesting nugget about Gladney today. Dude doesn’t have health care and is now asking for donations to cover his medical bills from the ass-whupping he got.

    You just can’t make this stuff up.

  169. since Thuggy took over, the MSM “mysteriously” disregarded the minute by minute death count in Iraq?

    Sorry … blatant unadulterated bulls*it.

    Just this morning, on MSNBC of all places I heard about bombs going off in Iraq … if i’m not mistaken, wounding 100’s and killing about 40 although my numbers may be off. I also heard a story about increased fear of an Iraqi civil war.

    Of course, you wouldn’t know this since you don’t have cable. Makes just about everything you say about the MSM null and void.

  170. Kenneth Gladney is covered under his wife’s insurance.

    I can’t believe we are talking about Kenneth Gladney.

  171. Sensico … you GO girl!! ROTFLMAO!!! You had the patience to go head to head with Elric in the “link war” … I love it!

    You see Elric, the problem with the current debate is everyone can pull up their links. The trick is how do we arrive at the truth? And you know what? I’m sorry but when I watch liberals on TV, my gut tells me I’m hearing the truth for the most part. When I watch conservatives on TV, my gut tells me I’m being lied to.

    You may not like Keith Olberman but when I’m done with his show, I feel myths have been busted. When I’m done watching Glen Beck, I feel like I need a shower.

  172. LOL Our head diplomat.

    What part of the story did you fail to read? Hillary reacted to a mistranslation. Could she have been a bit calmer in her reply, perhaps but her reply was understandable given the botched version of the question she was given,

  173. Forget the damn pundits for a second. Skim the 1,000 page health bill and tell me what your gut says about it.

  174. One great point made in this video that I have been saying is what the heck does Batman’s Joker have to do with socialism? If he had any particular persuasion, the Joker was an anarchist. So forget about racism … the poster simply doesn’t mean anything. The message is lost.

  175. Skim the 1,000 page health bill and tell me what your gut says about it.

    Damn Rabbit, I’d need two days and two attorneys before I could figure out what it means.

    🙂 Sorry I could NOT resist.

  176. Mmmm, Rabbit do you know something Gladney’s attorney doesn’t know?

    His attorney, David Brown, however, read a prepared statement Gladney wrote. “A few nights ago there was an assault on my liberty, and on yours, too.” Brown read. “This should never happen in this country.”

    Supporters cheered. Brown finished by telling the crowd that Gladney is accepting donations toward his medical expenses. Gladney told reporters he was recently laid off and has no health insurance.

    — from St Louis Today web site.

  177. I find Sensico depressing. She or Rutherford will never believe me, but if she was a hardcore right winger, parroting Rush, I would say the same thing (even though I would agree with much more of what she spews).

    Why do I find the existence of a Sensico to be such a bummer?

    I think even Sensico would admit she now uniformly identifies with the left. I say she regurgitates tripe she finds from the leftist media, she disagrees. Fair enough.

    But I think everyone would agree she is a classic partisan blogger. For example, if you go to her blog right now, you will find the exact talking points of the left on healthcare. Exact. Throw an issue up in the air and everybody knows how it would land on her blog.

    I imagine the girl is around 19 or 20 years old tops. I could be wrong. Everyone is aware she has never experienced life on her own. It wouldn’t even surprise me if she is an only child, oblivious to even the dynamics of sharing stuff and compromising with siblings.

    Yet, politically, she seems to have the world figured out already. How as she arrived at this juncture?

    Rutherford doesn’t care. He cheers her on. She’s on the team.

    A young mind is supposed to be rebellious. Questioning everything. Hell, even mocking everything. Not merely picking a side.

    Young people are supposed to distrust all of us old farts.

    When I was her age, I was apolitical. I gave that confused, half tilted dog look at political controversy. There was no way I possessed any kind of uniform, partisan opinion on anything. I was all over the place. At times, a hypocrite. I lived life, met people all over the world, and very slowly began to form a world view.

    Everyone always says that we desperately need young people involved in the political process. I’m not sure about that statement anymore if they are going to simply choose a combo meal.

  178. I could probably prove where Kenneth Gladney gets his health care from but feel that it would be taking wasting time to a whole new Rabbit low.

    I thought I read it somewhere today. i could be wrong.

    Time for me to play keyboard cowboy for a second. Both the left and the right are arguing about who is, in fact, the evil doers at meetings.

    The so called “violence” erupting looks pretty pathetic to the bad ass Rabbit. Obese black chicks in unions vs. Geezers with filled up diapers.

  179. Before I go to bed, I’ll leave you all with a chuckle. Apparently a recent IBD editorial pointed out that:

    People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless,

    Of course, the IBD dumbass neglected to realize that Hawking was born in, and has always lived in … (drum roll please) … the UK.

    Here is the full article on one of the more absurd debates on the health care bill … the euthanasia, kill off grandma debate.

    http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2009/08/10/it-doesnt-take-stephen-hawking-to-figure-this-one-out/

    Kinda hard to debate the facts when we are led to believe these nightmare scenarios. Mmmm, perhaps Rush Limbaugh is really not the head of the Republican party? Maybe it’s …. Stephen King? 👿

  180. Elric: “Oh and btw DOI, how sad is it that your obsession with me is so great, you side with the drones which you have nothing in common with except the compulsion to defend islam?”

    Instead of asking questions, why don’t you answer them? There are several still awaiting your attention.

    But I guess you are too busy posting links and accusing others of dodging questions to get to them.

    Rutherford: “Damn Rabbit, I’d need two days and two attorneys before I could figure out what it means. ”

    I think that qualifies you to be a Democratic party congressman.

  181. Yet, politically, she seems to have the world figured out already. How as she arrived at this juncture?

    Well, Rabbit I don’t know how old Sensico is but hey, that is part of being young. You don’t always get bogged down in the minutiae and you see things from a more principled perspective. That’s one reason I’ve always found young liberals authentic and young conservatives posers. You see I ask of the young conservative, what in your short life has made you take such a conservative stand on things?

    Conservatism is for old fuddy-duddies. Who knows? Maybe one component of my liberal make-up is a desire to stay young?

    But yes, I certainly do support Sensico going after Elric on his own terms. Elric wants a link-fest and she brought him a link-fest. Even you must have gotten a minor kick out of that?

    P.S. Ultimately, you’re right. Gladney is neither here nor there, a mere footnote to the larger debate.

  182. Rutherford: So what if Gadney doesn’t have insurance?

    He wouldn’t have needed it if he hadn’t been attacked by Obama’s purple shirts, now would he?

  183. Rutherford: “Hey Red … you have to admit I threw you a meatball to knock out of the park.”

    Ah. So I see you are also qualified to interview Democrats.

    You’re quite a well-rounded fellow, aren’t you?

  184. Are those young liberals even taking a stand?

    Or are they joining a clique. Cherry picking an identity.

    I also don’t buy that bull shit about something inherently “young” in liberalism.

    You don’t find those young leftist ideologues outside college. What a coincidence, all their professors are far to the left.

  185. Wow, someone needs a violin played for them. I’m 21, and yes I am an only child, and I believe I expressed above in a comment that I’m not keen on sharing anything.
    Sorry, you don’t know my political views very well, but I’m a democrat. And even though I voted for Obama in November, I voted for republicans in some other sectors on the ballot because I thought there should be different points of views. My number one concern is checks and balances.
    I may not express my dislike for some democrats because there’s really nothing blog worthy to criticize them for without appearing to doing a childish attack like Tex did on Michelle Obama a while ago. If you read the entirety of my blog (750+ posts), which I know you didn’t you would find a more varying view on politics. Unfortunately, you’re just pissed of because my latest posts are calling out the stupid things some right-wingers did at town hall meetings. Deal with it 😛
    Now you can return to the Oprah fan club cause maybe they’d care to hear you spew about what things were like back in your day.

  186. You find young liberals principled Rutherford? Like at all these poser universities with the grade inflation and Ward Churchill monologue? Principled like their mentors Nancy Pelosi, Al Sharpton and Hillary Clinton? What a joke… 🙄

    But I finally figured out our biggest difference. What you call principled, I call lost…

  187. “What part of the story did you fail to read? Hillary reacted to a mistranslation. Could she have been a bit calmer in her reply, perhaps but her reply was understandable given the botched version of the question she was given”

    So? If she reacts like this to a question from some student, I can just imagine what shes like with foreign diplomats.

  188. “I voted for republicans in some other sectors on the ballot because I thought there should be different points of views. My number one concern is checks and balances.”

    Thats total BS because you have yet to complain about Thuggy’s 44 plus unconstitutional czars that are accountable only to him.

  189. “Instead of asking questions, why don’t you answer them? There are several still awaiting your attention.

    But I guess you are too busy posting links and accusing others of dodging questions to get to them.”

    So was that a yes or no DOI?

  190. He is still whining.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/10/video-democrat-who-yelled-at-constituent-cant-stop-whining-about-health-care-question/

    “You may not like Keith Olberman but when I’m done with his show, I feel myths have been busted. ”

    LOL What myth? That he is sane?

    “Dude doesn’t have health care and is now asking for donations to cover his medical bills from the ass-whupping he got. ”

    SO you are making an issue out of that and not that he was assaulted by union thugs and they were praised by Thuggy’s healh czar. What friggn planet do you live on?

  191. Status quo incompetence and arrogance from an Obama administrator – nothing new to listen to here about Hillary Rotten going off the deep end. I mean, look at that hair – wild, unkempt, smelled of the Congo. What the translator needed was a magic Obama teleprompter with a smiley face telling her she was a beautiful, thick white woman.

    Anyone with a bit of sense recognizes that we now have Woody Hayes for Secretary of State and Howdy Doody as President.

    The final Obama/Hillary Rotten legacy will most likely be getting the U.S. nuked

  192. “If you read the entirety of my blog (750+ posts), which I know you didn’t you would find a more varying view on politics.”

    Well do dont seem to mind your Demomarxist not reading bills that will affect your life and the life of your future children.

  193. “Just this morning, on MSNBC of all places I heard about bombs going off in Iraq … if i’m not mistaken, wounding 100’s and killing about 40 although my numbers may be off. I also heard a story about increased fear of an Iraqi civil war.”

    Your Thug in chief is doing such a great job, isnt he? I guess all that pandering to the muslim world didnt do much, did it?

  194. I’m not much of a giver anyways, but when the poor is lifted in this country then it benefits all of us. More people paying taxes, means better infrastructure, schools, so on.” Sensico

    LOL!!! By all means dear, lift up! See, this is the kind of crap we can all expect from the left, I don’t give, but EVERYONE else should.

    I’m hoping that you have a basic understanding of stratification of governmental responsibility. This means that the Federal government has a responsibility as defined in the Constitution, the States then have their responsibilities as defined in their Constitutions, then Counties, then Cities, etc. The role of the Federal government is not the same as the role of municipal government, in fact, the federal government is limited to only those things specifically cited in the Constitution- EVERYTHING else is left to the states to regulate. So tell me, where is the healthcare mandate for the Fed in the Constitution?

    Places like the secretary of state would function for more days in the week so I can get my license plate on time! The post office would be funded so that they would have awkward hours. More safety with more police on the streets where needed and the fire departments would be adequately funded. I could go on, but you should get the point by now. Sensico

    The point is that things like the post office, which is run like a business but can’t make a profit, Amtrak- can’t make a profit, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc, etc, etc- they are all hemorrhaging money. We’re not talking some losses here and there, we’re talking billions of dollars, and while the left may think “billion” is an adjective, those of us who pay taxes know it is a great big fricking noun.

    You don’t pay taxes, so to hear you spout off some mantra about higher taxes is just crap. It’s easy to do when it is someone else paying more taxes.

    I don’t see what’s wrong with giving health care to those in need. Employers would have more efficient employees and I wont have to be disgusted when I see some sick kid in the McDonald’s drive thru because they couldn’t see the doctors! Sensico

    Really? You see a sick kid in the drive thru and you instantly jump to nationalized, single payer healthcare and government intrusion into the most private element of our lives? How about the fact that the kids at McDonalds? Heaven forbid we don’t hold parents accountable for at least feeding their kids something healthy! My kid gets to got to McDonalds, maybe, once or twice a month. Not once though did I ever sit back and say, you know, this requires a government anal probe to solve…

  195. That’s one reason I’ve always found young liberals authentic and young conservatives posers.

    Authentic? Ignorance can be pretty authentic…

    Based on your post, their both uneducated, inexperienced ideologues- so what makes one better than the other?

  196. “I’m sorry but when I watch liberals on TV, my gut tells me I’m hearing the truth for the most part. When I watch conservatives on TV, my gut tells me I’m being lied to.”

    So when McCain was telling Congress Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae was on the verge of clasping, what did your “gut” tell you?

    And when the Democrats, who some of the top where getting large donations from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, said they were just fine, what did your “gut” tell you?

  197. Sorry, you don’t know my political views very well, but I’m a democrat. Sensico

    Who here really didn’t know that?

    And even though I voted for Obama in November, I voted for republicans in some other sectors on the ballot because I thought there should be different points of views. My number one concern is checks and balances.

    How do you write this and keep a straight face? Name the Republican (I’m sure it was one) that you voted for. It is absolutely, fundamentally absurd that you would vote for someone else so that you could ‘balance’ things. Elections are for voting for the person who would best represent your interests, in essence, their policies are your policies. This is frankly the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard

    And checks and balances? Do you read the crap you blog? Checks and balances? You’re throwing under the bus ANYONE who would look to challenge or question this administration of Dem controlled Congress. Have you ever once, just once, questioned what Obama and the Dem leadership are doing or how they are doing it?

    You think submitting the Cap and Trade bill- a 1,000 pages long- on Thursday evening, then adding a 300 page amendment on Friday at 3AM for a vote Friday afternoon is reasonable? I never saw a blog from you questioning it. Whether you agree with the content of the bill or not, the methods certainly raise alarms- and how would you know the content of the bill anyway, NO ONE READ THE DAMN THING.

    I may not express my dislike for some democrats because there’s really nothing blog worthy to criticize them for Sensico

    BULLSHIT. You don’t do it because you don’t have a fundamental set of core beliefs, OR you do agree with them and you’re just lying to us on the forum. Either way, you’re not being honest.

    If you read the entirety of my blog (750+ posts), which I know you didn’t you would find a more varying view on politics. Sensico

    You know what you’ve written, so link to your varying points of view. I don’t think you will, or can.

  198. She swooped in, dropped a load and off she goes. No substance, but it was a great window into the thought-bin.

    I mean, how does one read he comments and not want to throw things?

  199. Really, who is the mob here?

    “…And the national field director of the union-backed Health Care for America Now (HCAN) on Aug. 4 apparently sent out a four-page, single-spaced, 2,500-word-plus “how to bully” memo.

    The document, featured on the Talking Points Memo Web site, says “it’s important that you take away right-wingers’ opportunities to talk with reporters.” It tells operatives to “confiscate signs or leaflets” of those opposing ObamaCare. It adds: “Make sure that you assign marshals to take care of moving the crowd.”

    Human Events recently exposed a memo from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi stating that congressional Democratic leaders and the White House are “working in close coordination with” HCAN and other union-backed groups in organizing a pro-ObamaCare PR blitz this month…”

    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=334799734876274

  200. Gorilla,

    LOL You got that right.

    Id ask Dodger what does his “gut” instinct tell him when PMSNBC poses the question “Is socialist a code word for the N word?”

    But he would dodge that question. Good luck with getting any answer out of him.

  201. Really, who is the mob here?

    So now you are upset when proponents of Health Care reform start to fight back against the corporate sponsored right wing protesters? The opposition to health Care reform is clearly orchestrated by the big 7 insurance companies.

  202. “So now you are upset when proponents of Health Care reform start to fight back against the corporate sponsored right wing protesters?”

    LOL Still paranoid huh? Is fighting back including assaulting protesters?

    “The opposition to health Care reform is clearly orchestrated by the big 7 insurance companies.”

    Uh huh Sure they are.

  203. What, because Pelosi and Obama say they’re corporate sponsored, then they are?

    There is a hell of a lot of evidence of left-wing ‘organizing and mobilizing’, where’s the proof for this so called right wing conspiracy?

  204. Yeah, I would figure that. Of course, is Gallup too?

    Americans on Healthcare Reform: Top 10 Takeaways

    1. Most Americans do not believe that the U.S. healthcare system is in a state of crisis. The economy outweighs healthcare as the most pressing problem facing the country and in Americans’ personal lives.

    2. Americans are not convinced that healthcare reform will benefit them personally. This is, in part, because most Americans are satisfied with their current medical care and access to healthcare. Seniors in particular are not convinced that healthcare reform will benefit them.

    3. Americans agree that healthcare costs are a major problem for the country. Americans do not, however, believe that healthcare reform would lessen costs — neither for the system as a whole nor for individuals.

    4. The push for healthcare reform is occurring in an environment characterized by high levels of concern about fiscal responsibility, government spending, and the growing federal deficit. Americans are being asked to approve major new healthcare expenditures at a time when they are not yet convinced that the last massive outlay of government money — the stimulus — has made an impact.

    5. Americans have relatively little confidence in Congress and thus, by inference, little confidence that Congress can effectively and efficiently reform the country’s massive healthcare system.

    6. Americans continue to have more confidence in President Obama on healthcare issues than in either the Democrats or Republicans in Congress. Obama’s political capital, however, is waning. This leads to a circularity in which Obama’s hard push for healthcare reform may hurt his approval ratings, and his falling approval ratings may hurt his credibility on healthcare reform. One inevitable byproduct of Obama’s strong push on reform is the politicalization of healthcare. Most Democrats support it, Republicans oppose it, and independents are in the middle.

    7. Americans have mixed or ambivalent views of the role government should have in healthcare. They favor some government involvement, but not a government-run healthcare system.

    8. On a case-by-case basis, Americans favor many specific proposals that have been put forth as ways of reforming healthcare.

    9. Despite positive views of many specific reform proposals, Americans appear ambivalent at this juncture on the overall merits of passing a broad healthcare plan.

    10. All in all, while the majority of Americans ultimately favor passage of healthcare reform, many are willing to wait until next year to see it happen.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/121997/Americans-Healthcare-Reform-Top-Takeaways.aspx

  205. “Yeah, I would figure that. Of course, is Gallup too?”

    Anything that opposes Thuggy and his agenda is a vast right wing conspiracy and un-American

  206. Watch, we’ll get Daily Kos statements and Huffington Post comments as “proof”.

    gatewaypundit and hotair are no better for you hacks.

    All in all, while the majority of Americans ultimately favor passage of healthcare reform, many are willing to wait until next year to see it happen.

    So Obama will sign the bill in 2010. What is your point?

  207. “How can the majority of Americans be un-American?”

    Easy. Because the liberal elites know better than us uneducated Neanderthals.

    “How’d you change your avatar?”

    Goto your wordpress homepage. There is something in there to change avatar. Then just browse for a pic you like

  208. I didn’t quote hotair or gatewaypundit, I quoted a legitimate (and actually financially successful) media source.

    Your source for the 7 insurance companies is……….?

    Will he sign it then? This whole time we were told it had to get signed now, now, now and only AFTER the blue dogs said wait, did he back down. The numbers for this travesty continue to fall and do you really think that House Dems want to vote on this thing during an election year?

    As to what is your point, I take you’re not the least bit concerned with anything in the bill? Forced migration to public option? Doesn’t bother you that unions are exempt or that the politicians forcing this on us won’t take the option for themselves? Are you that naieve?

    Probably a union member…

  209. He wouldn’t have needed it if he hadn’t been attacked by Obama’s purple shirts, now would he?

    This comment came in right as I went to bed last night. Red Pill, I consider you a relatively erudite man but this one does not pass the silly test.

    If all poor people never got sick they wouldn’t need health insurance. So, what in heaven’s name is your point? The fact is, the dude opposes the health insurance initiative when he is the very one who could benefit from it the most.

  210. Gorilla,

    Like I said, he is to the left of Dodger. Dodger at least pretends to have some concern. Curator is a proud marxist who wants the government to control his health and his life, damn the consequences.

  211. Why do you keep dodging that he was assaulted by union thugs and cheered on by thuggy’s health czar?

    You know the point, you just dont want to debate it.

  212. We all saw the film clip of what happened in StL. The only guy I saw on the ground was a purple shirt and someone helping him to his feet. This Gadsen character was waiving to a cop car without a scratch on him.

  213. So? If she reacts like this to a question from some student, I can just imagine what shes like with foreign diplomats.

    Wow, first Red Pill and now you Elric. Have you guys taken your anti-logic pills this morning?

    How could one possibly extrapolate from how Hillary talks to a student to how she would talk to a head of state? That’s like looking at how I talk to my five year old daughter and assuming I talk the same way to my business clients. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

    Oh and by the way, I guess you were equally upset when Hillary compared Kim Jong Il to a mischievous child? I’d think that’s the kind of diplomacy you’d cheer for.

  214. “I voted for republicans in some other sectors on the ballot because I thought there should be different points of views. My number one concern is checks and balances.”

    Thats total BS because you have yet to complain about Thuggy’s 44 plus unconstitutional czars that are accountable only to him.

    Actually Elric I don’t agree with Sensico on this either but not for the reason you stated. You don’t vote just for the sake of checks and balances. You vote based on the positions of the candidates. It’s kinda like saying “I voted for my House Rep cos he’s pro-choice but then I voted for my Senator cos he’s pro-life because I think checks and balances are important.” Huh? That makes little sense to me.

  215. “How could one possibly extrapolate from how Hillary talks to a student to how she would talk to a head of state?”

    Because she is our head diplomat and represents the US, thats why. If some student’s questions sets her off, I can just imagine when one of our enemies diplomats pushes her when they negotiate behind close doors.

  216. Your Thug in chief is doing such a great job, isnt he? I guess all that pandering to the muslim world didnt do much, did it?

    Elric it’s not my President’s job to make that clusterf*ck called Iraq work. That’s why he needs to get us out of there. I don’t care if they blow each other to smithereens. Other countries civil wars are not our business. Bush was pissed at Saddam for threatening to kill his Daddy so he got a crap load of Americans killed to show Saddam who’s who. OK, that’s history. Now we just need to get the hell out of there as fast as we can.

    And I’ll tell you something else … if Obama has us in Afghanistan to nation-build instead of killing off the terrorists then he’s just repeating Bush’s mistake all over again.

  217. “Other countries civil wars are not our business.”

    How is it a civil war when a chunk of the jiahdists are pouring over the border and being propped by Iran?

    “Bush was pissed at Saddam for threatening to kill his Daddy so he got a crap load of Americans killed to show Saddam who’s who. OK, that’s history.”

    LOL You really believe that, dont you?

    “And I’ll tell you something else … if Obama has us in Afghanistan to nation-build instead of killing off the terrorists then he’s just repeating Bush’s mistake all over again.”

    Hmmm a civil war in Afghanistan is our business but in Iraq it isnt?

  218. “Bush was pissed at Saddam for threatening to kill his Daddy so he got a crap load of Americans killed to show Saddam who’s who. OK, that’s history”-r

    I honestly didn’t think educated people were still saying that. I’m not going to bore this place with an involved rebuttal including Clintion’s war plans, world intelligence agencies, the reality of 9/11, Saddam pretending to have WMD and this latest article proving just how dangerous Islamic terrorism can potentially be:

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/world/pakistan/Revealed-Jihadis-thrice-attacked-Pakistan-nuclear-sites/articleshow/4879235.cms

  219. I just saw the town hall meeting in Penn with Sen Spector on Fox News. Seriously…It was one of the most American things I’ve have ever seen in my life. It was awesome.

    I have no doubt that Pelosi and friends tried to stifle the voice of America by labeling discontent as mob activity and then trying to make a mob environment a reality by sending in groups more interested in their fellow Americans in attendance instead of the Congressman.

    Curator and sensico have absolutely no proof that the majority of the people at the town halls are from special interest groups or “bussed in”. After seeing the latest town hall, that conspiratorial charge is utterly laughable.

  220. I guess the government will tell us how to raise our kids too under this healthcare reform…

    It’s outlined in sections 440 and 1904 of the House bill (Page 838), under the heading “home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children.” The programs (provided via grants to states) would educate parents on child behavior and parenting skills.

    The bill says that the government agents, “well-trained and competent staff,” would “provide parents with knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains … modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices,” and “skills to interact with their child to enhance age-appropriate development.”

    http://townhall.com/columnists/ChuckNorris/2009/08/11/dirty_secret_no_1_in_obamacare

  221. I got to give Spector props how he handled it too. One dude was went ballistic becuase he didn’t get a card to ask a question, although he claimed he was promised one. Dude was throwing a tantrum and the senator stood right in front of him and listened anyways.

  222. R, I’ll be interested in your thoughts on this…

    Well Gorilla, let me start by saying I wish IBD would stick to telling me what stocks to buy and stop telling me their political opinion. Seems to me kinda like finding a political editorial in the middle of Car and Driver magazine. 🙂 (OK, I jest a bit … I know politics effects economics and effects the stock market )

    OK, with that said, as I read the piece I wondered if the author was a brotha … kept my mind open that he could be … and sure enough I read his bio and bingo. I don’t really argue with too much of what Mr. Williams has to say. He belongs to the Bill Cosby school of racial sociology, a school of thought that definitely resonates with me.

    I think that there are two perspectives on black progress in this country. A perspective within the black community and a perspective outside that community. It’s the government’s job to make sure that everyone gets more or less an equal shot at a decent life. That goes for white, black, asian, etc.You’ll notice that Williams suggests that the “welfare state” has hurt the white community also. So I concede that some government intervention can breed dependence. But the government must still err on the side of helping, not obstructing.

    But now we need to address the perspective within the black community and that is where I fully sign up with Bill Cosby. Blacks cannot wait for help. They cannot wait for justice or an even shot. They need to get up and tirelessly fight for their fair share. And they cannot do that when they are dealing drugs in their own neighborhoods, having babies out of wedlock, etc. etc. The perspective within the black community must be one of self-sufficiency, hard work, and sensible constructive behavior. When blacks take that perspective and then combine that with a government sympathetic to their needs, progress can be made.

    I’d argue that Williams needs to take the Bill Cosby approach and deal with what is happening within the black community rather than condemn government’s attempt to assist.

    Finally, Williams makes reference to “job-destroying labor legislation such as minimum wage laws.” Is he crazy? Minimum wage laws protect all workers from being taken advantage of. If companies could get free labor they would. What I’d like to see is regulation restricting the ability to send jobs abroad, where the company just takes advantage of another country’s poor slobs,

  223. Hey Elric … while I have said, and still say that racism is an ingredient to the over sized reaction we see on health care, I think saying socialism is the new “N” word is a bit much. LOL what I’d say is that a lot of the folks throwing around the word socialism don’t know what it means.

  224. “what I’d say is that a lot of the folks throwing around the word socialism don’t know what it means.”

    Really? Well please enlighten us on what the meaning really is.

    “and still say that racism is an ingredient to the over sized reaction we see on health care”

    Really? And your evidence is what exactly?

  225. Here is the thing about these town hall meetings. As I said, I watched the thing in it’s entirety.

    What news loop is constantly played after the town hall?

    That one dude who blew his top. Go to Drudge and the whole meeting is summed up by, you guessed it, that dude who blew his top. (The guy was physically shoved by someone by the way). Fox played the damn town hall, and even they go with the 5 second clip of the irate guy.

    Part of this isn’t even political. Drudge posts it becuase it’s an exciting Jerry Springer moment.

    The left uses this as proof of the “mob”.

    After some time, life will imitate art, and every town hall will have to have its moment of shoving and erratic screaming.

    Media sucks.

  226. Socialist please,

    I’m rollin’ deep with 12 heavy hittin’ socialists.

    We took ownership of that word from you white motherfuckers.

    You aint allowed to say it.

    Oh yeah….West side Socialists represent!

  227. Rutherford, I guess you’re not seeing it over there, but I asked why you’ve not commented on my previous pionts…

    You’re right … I had moved on to the next thread. I just posted an answer to you over on the other thread.

  228. Because I know you’ll quickly moderate this…

    5 Things You Didn’t Know About the Minimum Wage

    1) For every 10 percent increase in the minimum wage, teenage employment at small businesses is estimated to decrease by 4.6 to 9.0 percent.1

    According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, teen unemployment is at 24 percent, its highest rate in 17 years.2

    2) For every 10 percent increase in the minimum wage, estimates show employment may fall as much as 8.5 percent for young black and Hispanic males age 16-19.3

    African American teen unemployment is currently at 38 percent, which is four times the national unemployment rate and 27 percent higher than last year.2

    3) According to U.S. Census data, only 16.5 percent of minimum wage recipients are raising a family on the minimum wage. 83.5 percent are teenagers living with working parents, adults living alone, or dual-earner married couples.2

    Raising the minimum wage is an ineffective tool to fight poverty.

    4) Economists found that 35 percent of minimum wage benefits go to the richest 40 percent of families.4

    The average annual family income of those earning the minimum wage in 2009 is over $48,000.2

    5) According to a 2003 study by economists at the Federal Reserve, a 2-3 percent decrease in employment can be expected from a 10 percent increase in the minimum wage.5

    http://www.epionline.org/index_mw.cfm

    Why the Minimum Wage Law Causes Unemployment
    http://www.ncpa.org/pub/st190

    Minimum Wage Increase – Help or Hype?
    http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21NVJeffersonWage1004.html

    Is raising the minimum wage a good idea?
    http://www.janegalt.net/blog/archives/005713.html

  229. Un-American Nazi Mobster

    Yeah I really love how the kids get exploited for the cause. I doubt the young girl holding the sign has the slightest idea what is at stake.

  230. “I doubt the young girl holding the sign has the slightest idea what is at stake.”

    I hope she doesnt. Let her live whats left of her childhood before she has to face what Thuggy, his goons and his complicate drones done to her nation.

    Interesting that the link was about the comparison between Ayers an the protesters and thats all you could fixated on. Good drone.

  231. I thought I just posted a great piece on the failures of minimum wage increases, but I don’t see it. Hopefully it’ll materialize, but it summs up the fact that minimum wage increases actually hurt- not help- both the poor and the economy.

  232. Gorilla, you are just having a field day with my comment aren’t you lol
    First, I’m not much of a sharer/giver but I don’t mind paying taxes. Just don’t expect to see me do much more since I do consider paying taxes charity work.
    And I do pay taxes, I believe I have implied that in several comments. I’d like to see your proof to back up your claim that I don’t.
    Obviously I don’t vote for any old GOPer on the ballot. But if I find a republican I like better then a democrat, I’ll vote for them. I actually don’t think its out of the ordinary for people to vote both parties on the ballots whether for school boards or councils.
    And though I may not agree with republicans, that doesn’t mean they aren’t doing a good job in the area of checks and balances. Even the White House would have to admit that.
    And sorry Gorilla, but I’m not going to link pimp my own blog. Obviously I’m on this blog too much as Elric has now given me a nickname 😛

  233. I guess the government will tell us how to raise our kids too under this healthcare reform…

    OMFG You are now citing as your legislative expert Chuck Norris???? LOL LOL LOL 😀 😀

    The man said vote for Huckabee cos McCain will croak in office! Damn, Gorilla you’ve gotten that desperate to make your point?

    While I hate to dignify this with a response … this sounds to me like the stupid “govt going to tell us how and when to die” foolishness. My very educated guess is that insurance does not currently reimburse for parental counseling by trained professionals. This provision in the bill would provide reimbursement for that. Just as insurance does not currently reimburse for end-of-life discussions with one’s doctor. The bill is designed to get some stuff covered that was not previously covered. The bill is not about the government telling you to do anything. It’s about making sure you don’t miss the advice you need because you can’t pay for it.

    Please … stop the melodrama! It’s getting ridiculous!

    P.S. If your argument is that insurance should NOT pay for parental counseling, that is a different argument entirely.

  234. “Even the White House would have to admit that.”

    What checks and balances? Deems have a super majority and Thuggy is adding unconstitutional czars like they are going out of style.

  235. First, I’m not much of a sharer/giver but I don’t mind paying taxes. Just don’t expect to see me do much more since I do consider paying taxes charity work. Senisco

    Fundamental flaw here- TAXES ARE NOT CHARITY.

    And I do pay taxes, I believe I have implied that in several comments. I’d like to see your proof to back up your claim that I don’t. Senisco

    I believe you said you just got a job, but OK. Tell me, when you file your taxes, how much of it do you get back? I’ll bet most if not all of it, so no, you don’t pay taxes. Fix your withholdings…

    Obviously I don’t vote for any old GOPer on the ballot. But if I find a republican I like better then a democrat, I’ll vote for them. I actually don’t think its out of the ordinary for people to vote both parties on the ballots whether for school boards or councils. Senisco

    Now wait a minute, you said you did vote for a republican in Novemeber, not that you theoretically would- so, did you or not? If so, who?

    And though I may not agree with republicans, that doesn’t mean they aren’t doing a good job in the area of checks and balances. Even the White House would have to admit that. Senisco

    Really, Obama is not saying that, in fact, he is saying the exact opposite. He is telling the republicans to get out of the way and I’ve never seen you criticize him, let alone voice support to a republican position. So what gives?

    And sorry Gorilla, but I’m not going to link pimp my own blog. Obviously I’m on this blog too much as Elric has now given me a nickname Senisco

    I’m sure R wouldn’t mind just one little link showing how you’ve just once been critical of the current administration and congressional leadership. Really, just one?

  236. Media sucks.

    Rabbit, on this I fully agree, Media is exploiting this for “entertainment” purposes. My guess is for every Jerry Springer Town Hall we are seeing on TV, there are another 10 going on without incident.

  237. I’m rollin’ deep with 12 heavy hittin’ socialists.

    LOL Rabbit, I don’t always understand your comments but they do crack me up. (Sure you’re not really a brotha? C’mon, you can level with old Rutherford.)

  238. So Dodger and Dodgette, when will you start condemning these smears by your demomarxist officials? Or do you agree with them because I have yet to see either of you speak out against so I can only conclude that you do.

  239. Gorilla your defense of no minimum wage not only got caught in moderation … it actually went to my spam filter. I don’t know what you did to piss WordPress off but clearly you are the victim of some nasty automated screening. (I’m glad you alerted me because I check my moderated comments often during the day but I only check my spam filter about once a day …. usually before I go to bed.)

  240. “First, I’m not much of a sharer/giver but I don’t mind paying taxes. Just don’t expect to see me do much more since I do consider paying taxes charity work”.-Sensico

    LOL! Hey Rutherford, your little friend thinks that thanks to government, charity is obsolete. She doesn’t feel the need to give to charities since she pays taxes. Rutherford has to be cringing over this statement. You don’t believe this, do you R?

    “And though I may not agree with republicans, that doesn’t mean they aren’t doing a good job in the area of checks and balances. Even the White House would have to admit that.”

    The Dems control Congress. The Dems control the White house. You live in a state with a Dem Governor. You, yourself, never criticize Dems.

    And you’re telling us the importance of checks and balances?

    I think a giant Gorilla asked this already. But do you have a straight face when type this illogical garbage?

  241. Gorilla …. minimum wage is also referred to as a “living wage”. So let me understand this. You say blacks and Hispanics are better off with jobs that don’t pay them enough for a minimally decent life? So employment is the goal, not the lifestyle that employment is supposed to support? Is that what you are saying? (And don’t take my word “lifestyle” and then pervert it to mean multiple cars and big houses. I’m referring to a very modest lifestyle that supports a decent life.)

  242. “Obviously I’m on this blog too much as Elric has now given me a nickname,”

    You got the nickname because you dodge like Dodger does, not because of the amount of time you are on here. Like just now, I gave you guys another chance to condemn the hateful smear campaign by your demomarxists leaders towards the protesters. So far nada.

  243. To address a couple of things, I was simply talking from my point of view. I’m fully aware that taxes aren’t technically charity.

    And in November, I don’t know where you’re from but I had to vote for various things. We have councils, judges, university school boards and amendments, and yes I did vote against legalizing marijuana for medical use. But, I was in the minority on that apparently, I’m over it though. Again, some people I think are more qualified or have the right experience.
    For me, if theres a pro-life republican to vote for on a school board and theres a pro-choice dem with little experience in the education industry. Abortion positions, has nothing to do with the job and just because I’m a democrat, that’s pro-choice, I’m not going to vote for someone I don’t think has the right experience. And if that adds some balance to an already mostly democrat board then that’s an added benefit. That’s just my opinion and a principle I do hold. If no one likes it then that’s you all problems *snap*

    On another note,
    Watching CSPAN and apparently people that are calling in also don’t like the “whiners are these events”.

  244. Rabbit, LOL I can’t quite sign up for the “taxes is charity” philosophy. No disrespect but I’m not sure Sensico completely thought that one out or expressed it the way she meant to.

  245. No, no, no , no!!!!

    Minimum wage has never, was never, and should never be considered a living wage. Really, do you- and more importantly should you- expect folks flipping burgers to live on that wage?

    No, an economy needs careerists, professionals and tradesmen. Sorry, flipping burgers is not a trade. Minimum wage jobs have always been something that teenagers were expected to fill, summer jobs, college part time work, etc. It is rediculaous to look at minimum wage positions as something more than that.

    Look at the links I posted and they give a much better explanation than I could hope to give on why raising the minimum wage is counterproductive and no more than a populist ploy.

  246. btw, I will give to charity when I have enough money to give. Right now, I have a student loan, books to pay, parking passes to pay, food to eat, gas to pay for. sorry if I’m living the life of a broke college student, Rabbit 😛
    Geesh, for a guy that continually loves to put down my life style, you really know nothing about it.

  247. technically charity?

    They aren’t charity at all! These are two words that should never ever be used in the same sentence!

  248. “So far nada.”

    Elric … Dingell made an unfortunate analogy. Fact is, the dude hasn’t seen this kind of unrest and uncivil behavior at public events in a long time. Are these protesters the same as the KKK? That’s as ridiculous as saying the sick will have to go in front of Obama’s “Death Panel”.

    Funny, Elric, haven’t see you take issue with your wet dream Sarah Palin on that doozy.

  249. So why do you guys think the protesters are un-American, Nazis, Klansmen and 5th columnists? After all you do agree your your demomarxist leadership so Id like your input on why you agree with them.

  250. “That’s as ridiculous as saying the sick will have to go in front of Obama’s “Death Panel”.”

    Actually no its not. One is an elected official and the other is not. So nice try there Dodger.

    “Funny, Elric, haven’t see you take issue with your wet dream Sarah Palin on that doozy.”

    No one asked but I agree with her. Your point?

  251. “Fact is, the dude hasn’t seen this kind of unrest and uncivil behavior at public events in a long time.”

    So? Whats that have to do with him comparing them to the Klan? Now where was he when the Black Panthers were intimidating voters in Phili? Did he protest when Thuggy dropped the charges?

  252. Oh, she has bills folks, my bad. What was I thinking in criticizing her lack of charity, I mean, she has bills!

    The tyranny of it all! Do you have any idea how much a parking pass goes for these days! And food, cause you know, those student loans aren’t going to pay for themselves on an empty stomach…

    Somebody slap me- no, belay that- somebody slap her! Do you honestly think that bills go away? Mortgage, car payments, utilities, food for a FAMILY, gas, parking, clothes, oh yeah, MY student loans…

    When one finds themselves in a logical hole, the best course of action is to STOP DIGGING.

  253. “Rabbit, LOL I can’t quite sign up for the “taxes is charity” philosophy. No disrespect but I’m not sure Sensico completely thought that one out or expressed it the way she meant to.” -Rutherford

    Dude…she means it. She personally doesn’t give to charity becuase she pays taxes.

    Her idiotic view actually does correlate with the stats on who gives who does not give to charity.

    Sensico just happens to be so naive that she readily admits it. She walked right into a trap, really. Conservatives have been making this charge for years, while liberals have denied it.

    In my own experience, liberals are tight wads. They don’t buy rounds at the bar, they are terrible tippers and don’t help a motherfucker out when it’s time to move.

  254. The funny thing with sensico is just give her the floor, she will eventually make an ass out herself and serve as an embarrassment to her liberal friends.

    She’s young. That’s actually cool with me. It is exactly why she needs to quit the whole partisan politics thing.

    She seems to be going against what she twice said earlier, that she feels no need to give to charity becuase she pays taxes. She’s not a “sharer”.

    Now were told it’s becuase she is broke, which I can understand. Although the whole bills thing was pretty funny, as that giant Gorilla pointed out.

  255. The black panthers intimidation thing wasn’t even real and the video shows voters walking past them not looking scared. Fox News ginned that up just to cause a stir on election day.

    These are two words that should never ever be used in the same sentence!
    well let me try to be a dumb and act like I didn’t know what you meant by stating. People can get tax write offs because they donate to charity. Next time when I address anything, I’ll put at the beginning and end of all my comments

    what trap? I’m actually a great tipper and if that’s whats meant here by charity then I was mistaken, I do give to charity. If you need someone to help you move then you should support private business because there’s a lot of companies that will help you move!
    If liberals are tight wads then why do you always accuse us of spending too much?

  256. “I wonder when we’re gonna get that proof of the 7 deadly insurance companies bussing folks in?”

    Never. Thats what these drones do here. You call them out and they go and hide. Just look what Dodger does when he debates me. Still never go a condemnation from either of them on this smear campaign by the demomarxists. They never condemned the beatings either.

  257. “The black panthers intimidation thing wasn’t even real and the video shows voters walking past them not looking scared. Fox News ginned that up just to cause a stir on election day.”

    LOL So when will you condemn your demomarxist leadership for this smear campaign? Or do you agree with them Dodgette?

  258. “If liberals are tight wads then why do you always accuse us of spending too much?”

    What part of “they are generous with other people’s money” do you not understand?

  259. “I wonder when we’re gonna get that proof of the 7 deadly insurance companies busing folks in?”t

    I think sensico knows the answer to that, as she has talked about those buses. I bet there very intimidating and scary looking buses. Sesnico…what do the buses look like?

  260. btw, I love the irony in this. I’m accused of not having to pay taxes or taking on any responsibility financially. Now when I say I have things to pay for, then I’m being “lol-ed” at because I have taking on any responsibility financially.
    I would hope as elders that you all have figured out your finances in a way that can account for donations to charity.

    Rabbit, they look like short yellow buses. Hope that answered you dire question.

  261. “If you need someone to help you move then you should support private business because there’s a lot of companies that will help you move!”-sensico

    I actually tell my buddies that one all the time. I still end up going down 3 flights of smelly apartment stairs moving a futon.

  262. “Rabbit, they look like short yellow buses. Hope that answered you dire question.”

    Just like Thuggy, you have contempt for the handicap. I bet they could answer simple questions better than you.

  263. But it is worth the beer at the end, or, if your Senisco, a strawberry daqueri!

    Of course, who am I kidding, she wouldn’t help you move in the first place…

  264. “If liberals are tight wads then why do you always accuse us of spending too much?” sensico

    Was that self effacing humor or were you being serious.?

    The look like short, yellow buses?

    Do they really? I’m serious. You said it was going down. You can’t joke your way out of it. Were people being bussed in or not?

  265. elric, I don’t think I have the testicular- or intestional- fortitude to use that as an avatar.

    I’ve faced many things, jihadists, IEDs, ACORN, but I just can’t deal with….Tinky Winky. Rainbow power is my kryptonite

  266. “Was that self effacing humor or were you being serious.?”

    Im even shocked she said that, especially after I stated they were generous with other people’s money. I think you are correct with your post on overinflated grades.

  267. I don’t drink alcohol, never have, so I’ll just take a coke *thank you*. And of course I would help anyone move. We’re going to move soon too. It sucks, especially when I know I’ll have to carry down a 30 gallon turtle tank down the stairs and hope it won’t fall.
    Based on Elric’s comment, (366) I think I figured the problem is that conservatives are too PC. You say one thing and suddenly you get called a racist, anti-handicap….

  268. “On Nov. 4, the hope and happiness seemed boundless for supporters of President-elect Barack Obama, leading some to speculate, with a wink and a nod, that in nine months there would be a virtual Obama baby boom — a celebratory uptick in the national birthrate.

    But now, 40 weeks later — the average human gestation period — MSNBC is reporting the prediction has largely been nothing more than, well, false hope. “

    Yeah, instead of screwing each other, they’re screwing us!

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-talk-obama-baby-boomaug11,0,1797240.story

  269. “The black panthers intimidation thing wasn’t even real and the video shows voters walking past them not looking scared”

    lol. Fox news found two black dudes and paid them to don combat boots, arm bands and wield a baton and then put them on one of the elusive buses you talk about.

    Old school liberals from the 60’s who actually fought for the end of voter intimidation against blacks were outraged to see that crap.

  270. “You say one thing and suddenly you get called a racist, anti-handicap….”

    Awwwww…..you dont seem to mind when your demomarxist leaders label our side racists. How does it feel? You going to condemn them? Why do you keep dodging that simple question Dodgette?

  271. Sensico, you cannot possibly be this daft. Really…

    PC? The conservative voices on this forum are many things, PC though is not one of them…

  272. “Obama health care town hall is on CSPAN. Maybe you all should watch it and learn about Obama’s plans.”

    I am watching it right now. I watched a real town hall earlier. So far, this is no town hall.

  273. Curator: “This Gadsen character was waiving to a cop car without a scratch on him.”

    Did you see that with your x-ray vision that allows you to see through clothing, or with your cat-like night vision that allows you to see fine details in the dark?

  274. a town hall is a town hall, whats the difference. People ask questions and the president answers. A conservative just asked Obama a question, respectfully and he’s getting a legitimate answer in return. Too bad the other republicans can’t do the same.
    But, I guess you’re used to people yelling at town halls. That’s understandable….

    ——– On another note,

    Flashback: Sarah Palin Has Her Own “Death Panel” Problem

    As you know, Sarah Palin managed to gin up a bunch of media attention last week by claiming that health care reform would result in Obama “death panels” that might kill off her Down Syndrome baby based on his poor “level of productivity in society.”

    If Palin is going to go this way, perhaps it’s fair game for her critics to point out that Palin — or, at least, the state of Alaska — has a “death panel” problem of its own. Remember this story from the Anchorage Daily News in July, reporting on the deaths of elderly patients due to mismanagement and neglect from Alaska state medical programs?

    http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/president-obama/flashback-sarah-palin-has-her-own-death-panel-problem/

    Whoops, we weren’t supposed to know about this, weren’t we….

  275. She’s a hypocrite and lies. there’s no death panel in the current bill. It is possible for government can manage correctly. Sarah Palin is not good voice to listen to seeing as how she couldn’t manage this correctly.

    To address the PC thing. Republicans are getting PC. remember “Lipstick on a pig” apparently offends women and now once you say a cop did something stupid, apparently you’re insulting all cops and whatever race that cop may be.
    for what its worth, I never thought the socialism sign was racist but I haven’t read too much about why people would think it’s racist. But its stupid either way I don’t get the racism and I dont get how it represents socialism. Rethuglicans will stick a puppy on a poster and call it socialism.

  276. Sensico: ” It is possible for government can manage correctly.”

    Feel free to prove your claim by showing us some examples of correctly-managed government health care programs.

  277. Or maybe it’s false outrage, either way, its giving the appearance that they’re PC. And false outrage might be even worse.

    I’m just now seeing the clip of Hillary losing her cool saying she doesn’t speak for Bill and she’s the secretary of state. He could have been less attitude(y).

  278. “She’s a hypocrite and lies. there’s no death panel in the current bill”

    Really? You read it all?

    “To address the PC thing.”

    Why dont you address the smear by your party?

    “Rethuglicans will stick a puppy on a poster and call it socialism.”

    No, we will just call someone who appoints 44 plus unconstitutional unaccountable czars a socialists.

    “Sarah Palin is not good voice to listen to seeing as how she couldn’t manage this correctly.”

    What makes you think anyone in Washington can given the mess Medicare, Medicade and Social Security is in?

  279. No one asked but I agree with her. Your point?

    Well now that you’ve stated you agree with her my point is that I have to conclude you are as stupid as she is. There are no death panels. There will be no death panels. And even Barracuda herself backtracked on the comment because she had the very bare intelligence to figure out she had gone over the line … again.

  280. “There are no death panels. There will be no death panels.”

    Really? You psychic or something?

    “And even Barracuda herself backtracked on the comment because she had the very bare intelligence to figure out she had gone over the line … again.”

    Interesting since you wont say if numerous Dems have gone over the line with their smears. Well not really since you are an intellectual coward.

  281. I found a new avatar for you Gorilla. No need to thank me. I do warn you, its racists. Racist I tell you!!!!

    LOL not racist … just suggests Obama is a gay communist. The red color of course suggests communism and we all know Tinky Winky was the gay Teletubby. Don’t we Elric? 😉

  282. Just like Thuggy, you have contempt for the handicap. I bet they could answer simple questions better than you.

    This one is for Tex next time he drops by … if I become a “believer” will Jesus Christ help make Elric go away … or at least get some sense? Cos at least every other post I read from Elric I say to myself “Jesus Christ”. I swear, Elric’s nonsense could drive me to religion. I need to be saved ….

    from Elric! 👿

  283. Rethuglicans will stick a puppy on a poster and call it socialism.

    LOL …. absolutely right. The poster makes no goddam sense.

    But I can help you with the racist angle, Sensico because I myself had to be corrected on this one.

    I’m not a huge Batman fan. Honestly, when I think of Batman, I think of the TV series and when I think of the Joker, I think of the actor Cesar Romero. (Sorry if I’ve just left all you young guys in the dark.) Maybe, just maybe I think of Jack Nicholson.

    So, when I first saw the poster, I immediately thought, the photo negative of a minstrel show character. A white man in black face with white lips … now a black man in white face with red lips. Now admittedly, something seemed odd about the red lipstick and the way it was smeared on. Then I was reminded of the Heath Ledger character. I immediately apologized to a blogger (via Twitter) for my misinterpretation. But anyway, that is where the racial angle comes from.

    Again … the poster makes no sense from any angle.

  284. On a case-by-case basis, Americans favor many specific proposals that have been put forth as ways of reforming healthcare.

    This is taken from Gorilla’s ten take-aways post. This is a good sign. Any reasonable American would see some benefit in some of the proposals.

    Most of the other takeaways only prove what a poor job the President and Congress have done to explain this to the American people.

  285. 402. The Red Pill | August 11, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    And I’m still waiting for you to answer a bunch of questions, Elric.

    Hey how the hell are you DOIAD?

  286. LOL.

    Are you a self-hating handicapped person, Rutherford?

    This is exactly why I need to be delivered from Elric.

    For the record, I am staunchly against euthanasia. Always have been and yes I am sure my own disability informs that opinion. If I saw any credible source prove that death panels were really in the bill, I would be the most vocal critic of it. Unfortunately the only ones I see talking about death panels are crackpots and mob inciters. Yes … I said it … Sarah Palin is a mob inciter!

  287. “Sarah Palin is a mob inciter!”

    You get more delusional everyday. So whats your answer Dodger on the smear tactics by your demomarxist leaders. We already know you have PDS.

  288. Dude….You didn’t like the Dark Knight?????????????

    I just ruined my wife’s coveted garden. I decided to go the garden and pick some egg plant when i saw a fat snake. I freaked out like an elephant, stomped half the plants. I then mindlessly attacked the garden with a shovel. i chopped the snake into numerous moving parts. I even chopped up the big toad that was in it’s stomach. Of course, I ruined several more plants in the process like a dumb ass.

    I hate snakes. I fear snakes.

  289. Rabbit, ehhh The Dark Knight was a’ight. Sci-fi and super hero really isn’t my genre. When it comes to sci-fi I like stuff that really looks plausible like one of my all time favorites The Andromeda Strain.

    Speaking of films … I never saw “Snakes on a Plane” but I gather Rabbit, you didn’t either. 🙂

  290. I just wanted to take a moment to point out that this, one of the silliest, most trivial, most nonsensical posts I have done in the past almost two years has broken all records for comments. We’re at 410 with this comment.

    I need to post silly sh*t more often. 🙂

  291. Rabbit, I hope you know that’s a $2,500 fine in the state of Michigan. I’ve seen two people get fined for that. And garden snakes aren’t even harmful. I’ve encountered many in Southfield as a young one playing in the garden.

  292. How is Red Pill a drone? I thought that was reserved for the democrats here. Not saying we’re really drones but I’m trying to understand the psyche of Elric lol

  293. gosh, republicans seem to play into every possible fear. Whatever happened to the “it’s ok if it protects the country and catch terrorists” meme. Google is already tracking out every move, why aren’t you scared of that!

  294. Porkulus: Delaying the inevitable
    posted at 4:40 pm on August 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Remember how Barack Obama and Joe Biden went around the country, claiming credit for saving the jobs of teachers, police officers, and firefighters with the Porkulus package? The one commonality between them: all of them are public employees whose salaries get paid or subsidized by the states. The state grants in the $797 billion stimulus package allowed states to paper over deficit spending in 2009 in order to save the jobs of bureaucrats, not police and firefighters, who were less likely to lose their jobs than SEIU-represented beancounters in state capitals.

    Well, 2009 will soon turn into 2010, and guess what? All of that deficit spending by the states still hasn’t been addressed:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/11/porkulus-delaying-the-inevitable/

    You’ve been punked

  295. Obama: Government health care will be like, um, the post office
    posted at 3:29 pm on August 11, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    Well, now I’m sold. If only he’d sweetened the pot and promised us it’d be like the DMV, I’d be ready to don an SEIU shirt and beat some protesters myself. As for the substance of his claim, that having government competition won’t affect private insurers, make sure to read Karl’s post debunking the many, many lies The One has told us about ObamaCare thus far. In fact, he told another one at this very same town hall, but I’ll make you go to Breitbart to watch the clip of that.

    Evidently he faced a tough crowd, replete with 13-year-old girls empathizing about all the “mean signs” the Democrats have had to look at lately. Yes, really.

  296. Reports: Tea Party Protester Assaulted by Union Thug In New Hampshire
    This is how Chicago-style politics are played out:

    Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
    Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
    Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
    Obama To His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”

    A tea party protester was accosted by one of Obama’s union thugs today.
    He was just following orders.
    GraniteGrok reported, Via Free Republic:

    One of the Free Staters was accosted by either an SEIU or AFSCME union thug. The story, corroborated by several sources, is that the Free Stater said something that the Union thug did not like and hauled off and spit into his video camera and then kicked him in the groin.

    The camera was running so hopefully it will surface soon. I have asked that if anyone knows the Free Stater to see if he would come over and talk with us.

    Inside the high school things are more serene.
    The Boston Herald reported:

    The scene is more serene inside the high school, where many of those let in (are) wearing buttons reading: “Health Care for America Now.”

    Michelle Malkin calls it “Obama’s Kabuki Theater.”

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/breaking-tea-party-protester-assaulted.html

    Chicago politics nationalized.

  297. Hmmmm, catching terrorist versus suppressing free political speech….

    Yeah, I can see the moral equivalency here…

  298. From an Obama supporter no less….

    “…You can keep your doctor; you can keep your insurance, if you’re happy with it, Obama keeps assuring us in soothing, lullaby tones. Oh, really? And what if my doctor is not the one appointed by the new government medical boards for ruling on my access to tests and specialists? And what if my insurance company goes belly up because of undercutting by its government-bankrolled competitor? Face it: Virtually all nationalized health systems, neither nourished nor updated by profit-driven private investment, eventually lead to rationing…”

    “…As with the massive boondoggle of the stimulus package, which Obama foolishly let Congress turn into a pork rut, too much has been attempted all at once; focused, targeted initiatives would, instead, have won wide public support. How is it possible that Democrats, through their own clumsiness and arrogance, have sabotaged healthcare reform yet again? Blaming obstructionist Republicans is nonsensical because Democrats control all three branches of government. It isn’t conservative rumors or lies that are stopping healthcare legislation; it’s the justifiable alarm of an electorate that has been cut out of the loop and is watching its representatives construct a tangled labyrinth for others but not for themselves. No, the airheads of Congress will keep their own plush healthcare plan — it’s the rest of us guinea pigs who will be thrown to the wolves…”

    “…The ethical collapse of the left was nowhere more evident than in the near total silence of liberal media and Web sites at the Obama administration’s outrageous solicitation to private citizens to report unacceptable “casual conversations” to the White House. If Republicans had done this, there would have been an angry explosion by Democrats from coast to coast. I was stunned at the failure of liberals to see the blatant totalitarianism in this incident, which the president should have immediately denounced. His failure to do so implicates him in it…”

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/08/12/town_halls/

  299. CABLE NEWS RACE
    NITE OF AUG 10, 2009

    FOXNEWS O’REILLY 3,814,000
    FOXNEWS HANNITY 3,118,000
    FOXNEWS BECK 2,417,000
    FOXNEWS GRETA 2,388,000
    FOXNEWS BAIER 1,988,000
    FOXNEWS SHEP SMITH 1,833,000
    MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,243,000
    MSNBC MADDOW 1,082,000
    CNNHN GRACE 875,000
    CNN KATHY GRIFFIN 810,000
    MSNBC HARDBALL 710,000

    😉

  300. Gorilla,

    The word is getting out. Thats why Dodger is getting all angry now. Even some that voted for Thuggy see this for what it is.

    .”No, the airheads of Congress will keep their own plush healthcare plan — it’s the rest of us guinea pigs who will be thrown to the wolves…”

    But Dodger said it was the same thing.

  301. “From an Obama supporter no less….”

    Gorilla, I make similar observations in the piece after this one. Paglia mis-characterizes the “snitch” campaign but she always has been a bit of a drama queen.

    By the way, I appreciate anonymity as much as the next guy, but couldn’t you have been a bit more creative in your email to me? Jon Doe? Really? I would have expected at least something along the lines of “M. Gorilla, PhD” 🙂

  302. By the way, I appreciate anonymity as much as the next guy, but couldn’t you have been a bit more creative in your email to me? Jon Doe? Really? I would have expected at least something along the lines of “M. Gorilla, PhD”

    If I had signed it, I think I would have been that original, but I never signed it. In other words, I didn’t write John Doe. I wonder if that is automatic?

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