The Good Old Days Weren’t That Good: Obama Video Address: August 1, 2009

In this week’s video address President Obama spells out some of the economic indicators that show light at the end of the tunnel. Even under the Bush administration, by all accounts, our country was on the verge of a financial collapse. Now folks like Tim Geithner, Larry Summers and Alan Greenspan all say we’ve moved away from the edge of the cliff.

But I want to highlight a comment that Obama only alludes to without getting overly explicit. The fact is folks, that the good old days were never that good. Our “prosperity” was built on a pile of debt, both nationally and individually. Lots of consumers buying anything their heart desired confused charging it with paying for it. Thus even before the economic crisis of last September, much of our wealth was just an illusion.

This complicates the job Obama has to do. We need not just a recovery but a change in how we manage our money. Wall Street must never again be allowed to play Russian roulette with our retirement accounts and we as individuals need to start relying more on cash than credit.

And now, the President of the United States of America:

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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213 thoughts on “The Good Old Days Weren’t That Good: Obama Video Address: August 1, 2009

  1. Rutherford,

    Can you tell me in your own mind how Obama is changing the way we think, when his administration alone was raised the yearly deficit this year 400%? What he is done is an outrage, and even you ought to admit it is a house of cards that will eventually tumble from its foundation of sand and its own weight. It is a given.

    Though I don’t disagree with your assessment of what is required, I can’t fathom without believing your own willing blindness and bias to the Obama way is certainly a case of do as I say and not as I do.

    On one hand you give great advice about how to conduct our own personal lives with respect to finances which I have always believed and abided by, then you apparently are more than willing to let the one who should be most responsible be the biggest instigator of egregious spending.

    If Obama isn’t a hypocrite, then he certainly must be the fool.

  2. I’m happy to see that the economy is improving. We still have a long way to go but the Obama administration proved that some government intervention does work.
    It would have been a lot worse if we didn’t have the stimulus, sat around and did nothing. Geithner has done better than expected, I was almost convinced that he would have been fired after the little tax controversy.
    We’ve been operating on a deficit for at least a couple of administrations, the deficit will always be an issue no matter whos in office. But that’s why reform and long term solutions are needed. Some of the policies are outdated and were only good in the old days.

  3. “On one hand you give great advice about how to conduct our own personal lives with respect to finances which I have always believed and abided by, then you apparently are more than willing to let the one who should be most responsible be the biggest instigator of egregious spending.”-Tex

    Dude…that cuts to the point so perfectly. Do you think Rutherford has an ironic smirk when he talks about fiscal responsibility in a post about Obama?

    We are insolvent. We’re done. I don’t know how we could make it now. Another trillion for health care? Cap and Trade?

    There is no way they won’t raise taxes on all of us.

    And when they do. Remember those hams we bought with sensico’s coveted stimulus. Remember that no one read the bill. No one knew where the money was going. Remember Obama’s 5 day pledge on a bill during the campaign. Remember how he rushed it over the weekend. Remember how Rutherford mocked the Tea Parties.

    They will be stealing from us soon to pay for those hams and ever other piece of pork.

    Sensico…would love to see some of that “proof.”

  4. Thank you Rabbit. I continue to be amazed at my buddy Rutherford’s skillful ability to pen the words, yet the black hole of of perceived vision. This void of a post actually did swallow gravity as I witnessed Rutherford and Sensico float off to Obama heaven.

    My only guess is that the political persuasion so polished, the inherent bias so deep, the pagan ritual so relished, the depravity so focused, the dependence so ingrained, that even the intellectual libs like our buddy Rutherford still have on the blinders at sunrise and remaining until dark – thereby missing the entire light of day. Because that is surely how visible this one is…

  5. This void of a post actually did swallow gravity as I witnessed Rutherford and Sensico float off to Obama heaven.

    ROTFLMAO Tex, that was classic. Hell, if only your insults had been that creative back in the Chamber, I would have had more respect for you in the early days. 🙂

  6. Ah “R”,

    Just caught up in the heat of the political battle. General Chen’s hide was so tough, I did everything but insult his own mother and still didn’t get a rise out of him. About the only thing that got his penis zipped was to insult the Big O. It followed suit that when you showed up, you were going to get some too and the rubber bullets seem to bounce of you as well.

    I’ve actually grown fond of you (for a lib). 🙂

    I’ll be back – but not as frequently. I can’t pull another stunt of requesting a leave of absence from medical school – it was a rarity they granted me one. I know this is sinful, but I can’t wait for my baby’s freshman year of college to start and for the first time in 19 years, I’m alone (19 days and counting).

    It is virtually impossible to have to come home three times a day from medical, play doggie hospice to two dying labs, have your one support group (my mom) get sick and add to the burden, have my own wife only home every other weekend, provide some semblance of a house, and have your daughter hate you because none of her parents were at the play (which I didn’t let happen).

    I don’t know if I ever told you this because at the time I didn’t know you, but I tease that I actually went from the top of my medical school class (I aced my first medical school test in biochemistry) to the bottom of my class in six days (I then in turned flunked the first gross anatomy test). It became very obvious that without help or alleviated from some of my responsibilities playing single parent, I wasn’t going to make it. I kick myself for not doing this 25 years ago.

    I will be glad when my wife can retire and be home because the last four years have sucked. Thank God for your blog, the old LGF before Charles Johnson went off the deep end, and Chen’s blog, because it gave me something to do and I have had fun while here.

  7. The proof is in the uptake of the stock markets, the GDP, and dare I suggest the success of the C 4 C program.
    The newest meme coming from Steele and some republicans is that the economy is improving because Obama is failing. They will spin anything good about the economy into something bad.
    Just acknowledge that there’s improvement at least. The numbers don’t lie.

  8. Sensico,

    You think the C for C program was both successful and caused an uptick in the stock market, do you? 😆

    I’m beginning to figure out how Obama’s economic lies and baloney representing facts or their misrepresentation came into vogue.

    I won’t reiterate the reasons your wrong, way wrong, as I did that in the last thread, but the logic of your conclusions is the absolute epitome of what you would call spin.

  9. The newest meme coming from Steele and some republicans is that the economy is improving because Obama is failing. They will spin anything good about the economy into something bad.

    Sensico I foresaw this back in February. The do-nothing party would attribute any success to normal market behavior and blame any failures on Obama. A can’t-lose position!

  10. There is only one problem with overestimating the importance of the stock market resurgence and I was reminded of this while watching Mort Zuckerman this morning. While some of the stock market uptick is due to investor confidence, a good deal of it is also due to companies laying off employees by the busloads. The stock market LOVES layoffs. (Another reason why career investors can be real perverse p*icks.)

    I don’t dismiss the stock market reversal as a positive sign but I wouldn’t put all my eggs in that basket either.

  11. I’m lost,seriously. The economy is improving ? I’m trying the partisan anti O thing here. If you actually think the economy is improving you’re quite daft- as the Brits would say.
    I am not a bel;iever that the Oval occupant has any real impact on the economy except usually the negative. This is a long held belief applied to R’s and D’s.
    Latest signs show the private sector shed over 300k more jobs recently.That alone should be a kick in the nads of anyone but the most starry eyed Keynesian.

  12. The stock market is a predictor of things to come (if you believe such things). You ask me, that is a crock because I have found it to be mostly reactive. There is no doubt the recession will end, as all recessions end. Business is and will always be cyclical.

    I think we forget there were only two business segments that brought us to the brink of ruin: (1) capital markets; (2) housing.

    Other than last September where through the blatant mismanagement of which I point a few of my fingers toward the previous administration’s apathy (and previous administrations before that) and in conjunction with mismanagement, greed and utter corruption of our financial markets including speculation of crude oil, most best of breed companies were experiencing record profits.

    That the stock market has bounced back from the irrational fear of all companies being punished for the sins of the few and was to be expected.

    The stock market is but a small factor in determination and prediction of the strength of the economy. As you will recall, 18 months ago, the stock market told us things had never been better.

    And I suppose we are to believe that true? If so, we need a round of applause for George Bush.

  13. Notice you will not see Rutherford come to defend sensico’s claims. Even he is too smart for that. That would mean Obama is directly responsible for any down turn in GDP or the Dow. Sensico, do you really want to hold Obama from a week to week economic report?

    No doubt the stim will eventually have some kind of a short term positive effect on the market. You can also start a nice fire with hundred dollar bills. It just a terribly inefficient way to do it. (Particularly if your being loaned those hundred dollar bills)

    What about two years from now?

    Sensico blabs that C for C was a success because people took the free money. Maybe it will be a success, economically. While I have moral reservations about the program and an over all lack of faith in government spending, I probably should point out C for C is sure the hell better then buying a million dollars worth of hams or giving banks billions of dollars for bonuses.

    That being said, we have no idea the effects of C for C on the economy. To say we do is a blatantly ignorant view of macro economics. Sensico, you do you even consider the following:

    1. Nobody bought cars for months before C for C because of C for C (me being one of them.)

    2. People who were going to buy cars anyways in the Fall/Winter bought them now.

    3. Every 4,500 dollar grant given to people was paid for by the people.

    4.Did the profits go overseas?

    5. What will the interest be on the money we borrowed for C for C?

    Nobody can say if C for C is economically sound in the long run. I think Rutherford would even admit that.

  14. Man, married life would be so much easier if women would just be literal about stuff.

    We signed up for this class about giving birth. 4 sessions on Mondays.

    My Dad’s softball team ended up being scheduled to play softball on our first day of class. My Dad is pressuring me big time to be there.

    I’m thinking the class is like college, you miss a class and then you catch up next week or something. No biggie.

    My wife asks me if I’m going to the class or softball. I immediately take the question to mean that missing one of the four classes isn’t a big deal and say, softball. After all, if something was very important to me, there would be no lack of info on that fact.

    Big mistake.

    Next thing I know I’m in the dog house for 2 days.

    The truth is, if it was just explained to me that going to this class meant so much to the wife, I would have said the class in a heart beat.

    I know I probably look like a self centered person by not automatically knowing that going to all 4 classes is the right thing to do. All I can say is my answer of softball is not a reflection on how excited I am for the big day and in no way foreshadows a lack of involvement in my kid’s life. Plain and simple, I really am that dumb.

    I’m obviously going to the class now. But, due to elusive, ambiguous nature of the female species it turned into this big deal in which I look like a total heathen. (She, unbeknown to me, asked her sister to go in my place)

    We finally realized the whole thing was this massive miss communication.

    I swear 90% of all spousal arguments could be avoided if the fairer sex learned how communicate in a way I could understand.

  15. Plain and simple, I really am that dumb.

    LOL I think we all are!

    I have this ongoing argument with my wife. I say something, I get no response. I say it again …. and she says “I heard you the first time.” I say, “then why didn’t you acknowledge it?”

    Then the flipside happens. She says something. I don’t hear it and I therefore give no response. A day later she says “didn’t I tell you blah blah yesterday?” I say, “no you didn’t”. She says “yes I did.” I say “did I give you a response?” She says no. I say “That means I didn’t hear it!”

    We’ve been married for nine years and I know we’ll be married till one of us croaks but I do wonder sometimes how any man and any woman can live together long term. It’s like Felix and Oscar sometimes …. the Odd Couple. 🙂

  16. Wait until you’ve been married 22+ years like I have. After a while (about 15 years), you learn if your wife asked you to do something, you feign ignorance like you didn’t hear her.

    By then, they’ve grown so accustomed to believing they are married to an idiot, they grow to expect it. 😉

    Rabbit, you might have missed the section where they make you put your arm in salty ice water so you can supposedly learn what the birthing experience is like.

    However, upon witnessing two births from center stage, I’m in agreement with Robin Williams. The only way a man will experience labor pains is if his wife pulls his gonads over his head or passes a bowling ball.

  17. “Rabbit, if you’ve watched any of the recent town hall meetings with congressmen, you’d see that we can’t discuss health care because mobs show up at these meetings, filibuster, sometimes nonsensically, and are not willing to participate in a polite free exchange of ideas.”-Rutherford

    Dude, come on. What do you think, it’s the year 1250? We have Johan Gutenburg and Bill Gates. Print it. Post it online. That’s laughable. You might not like the pissed off masses and find them rude, but are you really blaming them for the lack of information?

    Perhaps the White House should employ “griots” or bards to walk in the village and sing the news.

  18. Obama proved that government intervention worked? We have negative GDP, we have negative job growth, we have out of control deficit spending- where again is the positive in this?

    R, I find your opening comments very interesting, but somewhat dishonest. Who has been promoting irresponsible spending? Who was pushing home loans that should have never happened? Our current financial crisis came about because of the subprime mess, which was exacerbated by liberals/Dems. It was the Barney Franks and Chris Dodds, and yes Barak Obama, who pushed back against any increase in regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    But ultimately, I think the crux is this- individual accountability. You rightly bemoan how we as a society lost our bearing on fiscal responsibility, but to ignore the fact that dems, and liberals in general, aren’t interested in individual accountability. Libs/dems need victims, they need downtrodden, they need the pessimistic and the hopeless, because those are the people who fall for the populist rhetoric.

    This is the difference between republicans and democrats, democrats want victims to pander too, republicans want success.

  19. Rabbit, why be surprised?

    I’m sorry, but Elric has been right about his nickname for Obama- he is a thug. He’s all flowery and eloquent when he and the teleprompter are having a moment, but to challenge him and he doesn’t look to convince or debate, he wants to intimidate and over power.

    2010 will be a devastating defeat for Dems and a very rude awakening. I also think that there will be a democratic primary fight in 2012, with the republicans getting the White House.

  20. I have no idea what to believe. No matter what your take on it, I think everyone can admit it is massive, ambiguous and will have ramifications that go well beyond we can imagine.

    There has been absolutely no leadership on this. Obama’s prime time special on a “stupid cop”, after looking at this bill, was so unbelievably impotent.

    Since nobody is explaining this thing, wild speculation will continue.

    This goes out to Republicans as well. They pretty much are using a few phrases and saying it sucks. Somebody needs to step up to the plate and explain this thing. Brew some coffee, and make 24, one hour you tube videos.

    I’ve linked the bill itself and listed some speculation of this Bill that looks very plausible if you take the time and correlate it to the actual wording.

    http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf

    Sec. 113, Pg. 21-22 of the Health Care (HC) Bill MANDATES a government audit of the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self-insure in order to “ensure that the law does not provide incentives for small and mid-size employers to self-insure”!
    • Sec. 122, Pg. 29, Lines 4-16 – YOUR HEALTH CARE WILL BE RATIONED!
    • Sec. 123, Pg. 30 – THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE deciding what treatments and benefits you get.
    • Sec. 142, Pg. 42 – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!
    • Sec. 152, Pg. 50-51 – HC will be provided to ALL NON-US citizens.
    • Sec. 163, Pg. 58-59 beginning at line 5 – Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances & a National ID health care card will be issued!
    • Sec. 163, Pg. 59, Lines 21-24 – Government will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
    • Sec. 164, Pg. 65 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations (ACORN).
    • Sec. 201, Pg. 72, Lines 8-14 – Government is creating an HC Exchange to bring private plans under government control.
    Sec. 203, Pg. 84 – Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private Health Care plans in the exchange.
    • Sec. 203, Pg. 85, Line 7 – Specifications of benefit levels for plans means that the government will define your HC plan and has the ability to ration your health care!
    • Sec. 205, Pg. 95, Lines 8-18 – The government will use groups (i.e., ACORN & AmeriCorps) to “inform and educate” (sign up) individuals for government plan.
    • Sec. 205, Pg. 102, Lines 12-18 – Medicaid-eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No freedom to choose.
    • Sec. 223, Pg. 124, Lines 24-25 – No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “administrative of judicial review” against a government monopoly.
    • Sec. 225, Pg. 127, Lines 1-16 – Doctors – the government will tell YOU what you can make. “The Secretary shall provide for the annual participation of physicians under the public health insurance option, for which payment may be made for services furnished during the year.”
    • Sec. 312, Pg. 145, Lines 15-17 – Employers MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan.
    • Sec. 313, Pg. 149, Lines 16-23 – ANY employer with payroll $400,000 and above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.
    • Sec. 313, Pg. 150, Lines 9-13 – Businesses with payroll between $251,000 and $400,000 who do not provide public option pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.
    • Sec. 401.59B, Pg. 167, Lines 18-23 – ANY individual who does not have acceptable care, according to government, will be taxed 2.5% of income.
    • Sec. 59B, Pg. 170, Line 1 – Any NONRESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay for their health care.)
    • Sec. 431, Pg. 195, Lines 1-3 – Officers and employees of HC Administration (government) will have access to ALL Americans’ financial and personal records.
    • Sec. 441, Pg. 203, Lines 14-15 – “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that.
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    • Sec. 1121, Pg. 239, Lines 14-24 – The government will limit and reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income and poor are the ones affected.
    • Sec. 1121, Pg. 241, Lines 6-8 – Doctors, it does not matter what specialty you have; you’ll all be paid the same. “Service categories established under this paragraph shall apply without regard to the specialty of the physician furnishing the service.”
    • Sec. 1122, Pg. 253, Lines 10-23 – The government “validates work relative value units” (sets value of doctor’s time), professional judgment, methods etc. (defining the value of humans).
    • Sec. 1131, Pg. 265 – Government mandates and controls productivity for private HC industries. “Incorporating Productivity Improvements into Market Basket Updates that Do Not Already Incorporate Such Improvements.”
    • Sec. 1141, Pg. 268 – The government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
    • Sec. 1145, Pg. 272 – Treatment of certain cancer hospitals: Cancer patients and their treatment are open to rationing!
    • Sec. 1151, Pg. 280 – The government will penalize hospitals for what government deems preventable readmissions (incentives for hospital to not treat and release).
    • Sec. 1151, Pg. 298, Lines 9-11 – Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission and the government will penalize you for that action.
    • Sec. 1156, Pg. 317, Lines 13-20 – “PROHIBITION on physician ownership or Investment.” Government tells doctors what/how much they can own.
    • Sec. 1156, Pg. 317-318, Lines 21-25, 1-3 – “PROHIBITION on Expansion of Facility Capacity.” The government will mandate that hospitals cannot expand (“number of operating rooms or beds”).
    • Sec. 1156, Pg. 321, Lines 2-13 – Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required.
    • Sec. 1162, Pg. 335-339, Lines 16-25 – The government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures. Rationing.
    • Sec. 1162, Pg. 341, Lines 3-9 – The government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans (Part B), HMOs, etc. This will force people into a government plan.

  21. Rutherford, will you turn your good buddy in? Seriously, your President has instructed you to do so. Are you going to put the Rabbit on the Fishy List? Please, Comrade. I beg of you. Don’t turn me in.

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  22. I’ve refrained from calling Obama a thug directly,as I chose to believe it was his lynchmen named Axelrod and Emanuel that were calling for the dirty tactics.

    But the more I thought about it, the more I came to the conclusion that Obama is party to it and running the show. Chicago mob on display for all to see. I too believe he and his entire regime are a bunch of Brownshirts.

    This character assassination attempt and belittling of these town hall folks has pissed me off. This is one step from government tyranny and it needs to be checked now. It needs to be checked with force, if necessary. These cowardly politicians are gutless.

    What needs to happen is that millions of folks need to descend on Washington to show them how phony this outrage is. As it is, Congress is going to find out the hard way in about 15 months they are wrong; way wrong.

  23. Tex, when the congressman comes to town to have an open dialog with his constituents and he’s greeted with an effigy of himself, it is not character assassination to say the constituents are unhinged.

    So now the only question is are they unhinged and bused in? For the sake of our country’s reputation I hope they are insurance/phrama/republican plants. Otherwise, the natives have really become deranged.

  24. The “fishy list” is fishy indeed. Talk about an ill-conceived idea! I have no doubt the underlying motive is to keep people involved in the process as opposed to “taking names and kicking ass.”

    Still somebody did not think this through.

    Have no fear Rabbit. From what I see behind the secret door of WordPress, I doubt you are sharing your real e-mail address anyway. 🙂

  25. Print it. Post it online.

    Now Rabbit, I don’t have a degree in logic but didn’t comment #22 invalidate this statement you made in comment #18?

    Looks like you found it online.

    Jeesh, now look at all the homework you’ve given us to do. Damn, you can take teacher out of the classroom but … 🙂

  26. “Otherwise, the natives have really become deranged.”

    Deranged? It’s called being pissed off, you fool.

    You don’t know shit about the masses, Mr. Cozy Town Connecticut. You have no idea whether they’re plants or not. You simply are being spoon fed info by the liars.

    My bet is that a few of them are plants. But try to figure out the Health Bill yourself. Then think about what they did to us with the Stim Bill. Then watch the video I posted by that ignorant thug from my home state. Then look at the deficit. Then look at the unemployment numbers.

    Fuck it. Turn me in. I’m sure you already have.

  27. Regarding comment 19 which has been quoted elsewhere on the blog, Conyers obviously had not eaten his Wheaties that day. Dumb ass comment, at least as it stands, taken out of context.

  28. That’s a 1000 page piece of shit. Explain what it means. That’s what we elect these people to do. Who needs Congress if Rabbit is going to do their work for them.

    Hell, I’m not even sure that is the real bill.

    Republicans….tackle this thing you cowards. Have a work ethic. Explain it line for line in language that makes sense.

    CONGRESS IS WORTHLESS.

  29. My bet is that a few of them are plants.

    Thank you. And now I ask you, why the need for them if the Republicans can simply sit back and let the masses express their genuine outrage? The “plants” make the entire endeavor suspect unfortunately.

    Let me tell you what I know about the masses. Saw a video yesterday where a sensible woman got up from her seat and asked for a show of hands of who in the audience already had health care. Lots of the “protesters” raised their hands. The folks without health care who desperately need it, were not the ones yelling and screaming.

    Let me tell you another thing about the “masses”. Unproven conjecture on my part but I would wager at least 75% of these folks don’t know that Medicare is a government run program. And please don’t tell me Medicare is going broke, cos you know what? They don’t know that either … and for the most part they don’t care.

    I would be a lot less critical if these folks showed some evidence of really trying to grasp and argue the financial issues at stake. All most of them want is to protect their own turf and if folks die from lack of health insurance, who gives a flying f*ck?

    I haven’t yet seen you or any other conservative on this blog argue the morality of the issue. It’s all dollars and cents. Tell me this Rabbit … should the land of the free and the home of the brave allow their poorest citizens to die from lack of health care? What say you?

  30. Conyers is an embarrassment. He is a thug. GANGSTA!!!!

    “Gangsta, gangsta! thats what theyre yellin
    Its not about a salary, its all about reality
    Gangsta, gangsta! thats what theyre yellin
    Hopin you sophisticated motherfuckers hear what I have to say”(NWA)

    A scummy thug. His wife, Monica, is in jail for taking bribes like a whore in a parking lot. Envelope with money, movie style bribe. You probably know nothing about Conyers.

    It’s not out of context. How is it out of context? THEY DIDN’T READ THE BILL! Doesn’t that fact put it in context, you mindless zombie.

  31. Now my friends, it’s high time we did some simple homework.

    Thug:
    1. A cutthroat or ruffian; a hoodlum.
    2. also One of a band of professional assassins formerly active in northern India who worshiped Kali and offered their victims to her.

    A person who treats others violently and roughly, especially for hire.

    An aggressive and violent young criminal.

    Those are the definitions I found. Now I have no problem with Elric using the term constantly because he has proven he cannot exist without rhetorical crutches, but I’d expect more from the rest of you.

    (I guess if I had been running this blog back in the 90’s, you’d have been calling Bill Clinton, “rapist”).

  32. Look at the Bill, Rutherford. Do you think the 1000 pages of utter shit is just about health care? Have you been able to refute those accusations underneath the bill? Because I can’t.

    Sure there are a few plants. I’m no sucker. But for every plant there are thousands of pissed off real people.

    You said the same thing about the Tea Parties. This is the gravest mistake you and your liberal friends could possibly make.

    I am amongst the people. I know what they are saying. They are pissed!

    Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden hijacked the “morality” question of Palestinian Refugees. 20 years later his sons were throwing husbands off roofs after forcing them to watch their wives be anal fucked.

    I agree. Lets think of something that tackles the morality of the issue. Do you think that is the purpose of that 1000 page bill? Morality? Really?

    I’m serious. Have you turned me in?

  33. Holy sh*t! Rabbit is so unnerved, he’s quoting NWA!! LOL LOL

    OK … dude, c’mon … you’ve admitted you’re middle class white collar … go the next step dude … tell us you’re a brotha! 😀

  34. The difference is I’m not a Congressman getting my dick proverbial sucked everywhere I go.

    The Rabbit has worked for 78 hours straight without sleep. I served my country. I know what it takes.

    If I was in Congress, I would be working 19 hour shifts, leading the people. I swear to God. You might end up disagreeing with the Rabbit, but you wouldn’t be able to call him out for not doing his job and abandoning the people. THATS RIGHT REPUBLICANS. ABANDONING THE PEOPLE. It’s their JOB to explain the bill, not mine!

  35. Rutherford. I’m not using “thug” as a literary crutch. You really have no idea what has politically transpired here in Detroit over the last 4 years, do you.

  36. Do you think that is the purpose of that 1000 page bill? Morality? Really?

    Well that’s it in a nutshell. I DO believe it’s about morality.

    I don’t know how much the public school system resembles corporate America … have you ever worked in corporate America? They can’t say “I have to take a dump” without expending at least 100 pages on it. Don’t believe me? Ask Tex.

    You and I come at this 1000 page issue from different perspectives. My view is that the 1000 pages represents lots of Washington flackies over-bloviating and what gets executed is a lot simpler than what is on the page. Your view is that all sorts of sinister stuff is hidden in those 1000 pages. If we look real carefully on page 654 we’ll see that line that says “Anybody who calls himself Dead Rabbit on the internet will be taxed at an 80% rate to pay for the health care of anyone who calls himself Rutherford on said internet.”

    You think this bill is the first one to cross the 1000 page mark? Our country has survived over 200 years on the backs of overblown legislation. So it comes down to this:

    Our government officials interpret the legislation for us so we are informed. Republicans tell us we should be afraid. Democrats say we should not be. How do we get out of that quagmire?

  37. Rutherford,

    I would bet 75% of the 75% of attendees you say don’t understand Medicare are on Medicare. A significant majority of the attendees I’ve witnessed on TV are elderly.

    This list Obama and this toadies wish to create, an enemies list if you will, is nothing short of the highest form of jackboot thuggery. This is character assassination, misrepresentation of the truth, and intimidation (the M.O. of the Democratic party) and it is not going to work this time. I predict open rebellion in the near future if it doesn’t stop and I am being very serious. You may think you are in the ultimate position of authority with your majority party, but you are not.

    If your man wants it to come to nasty, keep pushing. I have never seen a greater amount of anger in my circles – people openly talking about overthrowing government, marching on Washington, completely contrary to their typical nature. People getting involved in politics for the first time in their lives. I don’t know if it was simply the health care proposal, or the last straw. Man, I wish the elections were today, though.

    You think I’m bullshitting and making this up, but I’m not. 😉

  38. No, I don’t know much about Detroit politics. I limit my objection to thug as a descriptor of Obama.

    And I’ll tell you Rabbit, while you might not like the answer, I think Democratic reps have been trying to describe the content of the bill to their constituents. Skeptics call them liars.

    Now, I’m with you. Let’s have Republican reps explain in detail to all of us why this is such a clusterf*ck and better yet … offer the alternatives that will satisfy the moral imperative without breaking the bank for generations to come.

  39. “Your view is that all sorts of sinister stuff is hidden in those 1000 pages.”-R

    Are you kidding me.????There is always sinister stuff in the bills. ALWAYS. But this time, the stakes are so high. They are going for gusto.

    Curious. How many Congressman are being investigated for ethics violations right now? How many???

  40. What a joke. The Dems have been trying to explain what’s in the Bill. A fricking joke. LOL

    I can’t wait to send your daughter a letter when she is 30, explaining to her Dad’s hand in all of this.

    Have you turned me in? Why won’t you answer?

  41. How many Congressman are being investigated for ethics violations right now? How many???

    Again, nothing new. The difference is this time everyone is running around playing Chicken Little.

    We underwent some pretty radical stuff after 9/11. We practically got cavity searched at the airport, our phones were tapped, our email probably spied on. If the Blog had existed back then, would you have been one of the ones alarmed about government run amok?

    Why this year have the masses suddenly awakened to an inefficient, partly corrupt, over sized government?

    I almost wish we could live in a parallel universe so I could see how America would react to McCain’s approach to our problems.

  42. Well Rutherford, if the ideal is to get people involved in politics, then for once I tip my hat to the Obama. If we had only known all it took to entice people to become actively involved was spit in their face, threaten the freedom, characterize them as plants, and bully their neighbors, then I have to give Obama the “wisdom” for getting people involved.

    Perhaps DisHonest Obe has knocked us out of our apathy. 😉

  43. I really can’t see you defying your Overlord. If you had the means, you would turn me in.

    As a blogger and a lover of free speech, you should be beside yourself with anger over the “List”.

    You think it’s a joke. I can’t imagine being a mindless zombie just brushing off the White House harvesting data of people disagreeing with the President.

  44. Have you turned me in? Why won’t you answer?

    LOL you obviously haven’t read my answer. I strongly suspect I don’t have your real e-mail address so sending you to the fishy list would be futile.

    Now Tex … that’s another story! 👿

  45. I almost wish we could live in a parallel universe so I could see how America would react to McCain’s approach to our problems.

    Hard to say – but I believe McCain would have taken more of a concern about exactly what is driving the anger – not that I think he was capable of being effective either. I don’t believe he would have made the attempt to take over the country, though. McCain is not terribly bright – Obama is bright but not terribly deep.

    However, Obama’s arrogance will be his undoing I predict.

  46. I’d be honored to be on the “fish” list. I want the jackboots to come after me. I’d be even more honored that they think me worthy.

    It will give me the excuse to go nuts like I’ve always wanted to do. Then my mom won’t be so disappointed with me when I go off the deep end. 😉

  47. You think it’s a joke.

    I think it’s a joke to the extent that it is a really hamfisted way to get information. If the Obama administration does not know the degree of paranoia out there right now then they are more clueless that I would care to admit.

    But again … if all he wants to do is collect names, why doesn’t he just tap our email like George Bush did? 😉

  48. Damn Rabbit … good link, seriously!

    I don’t know, I may have to fire my wife as department head of the Rutherford Lawson Research Department and hire you Rabbit. Pay is pretty bad though. And no health care. 🙂

  49. Just received this tongue in cheek:

    Due to the extreme popularity of the “Cash for Clunkers ” auto rebate program, whereby new car buyers may obtain up to $4500 in federal government rebates by turning in older, less efficient vehicles, the president has decided to announce a new wrinkle in his Universal Healthcare proposals.

    During a Townhall Meeting in Ottumwa, Iowa, President Obama unveiled an innovative proposal to cut healthcare costs, to be called “Cash for Codgers**.” Young, uninsured Americans may receive up to a $5000 healthcare voucher for medical treatment, if they turn in for exchange an older, unhealthy relative.

    The older relative must be between the ages of 65 and 90, and preferable should be suffering from some debilitating or expensive to treat disease. Relatively healthy old people will be considered for the program, the president explained, but preference would be given to those “on their last legs.”
    “I believe this can be a teachable moment,” the president told the handpicked crowd of under thirty-year-olds. “We know that over half of all healthcare costs are incurred in a persons final year of life. What we need to do, to hold down government sponsored healthcare costs, is to simply eliminate that final year,” he explained.

    Certain criteria would have to be met, the president explained. The old person must have been a continuous relative for at least the prior ten years — to prevent conflicts surrounding ex-inlaws — and must not have suffered a coma in the last five years.

    When asked about the presidents revolutionary proposal, Vice President Joe the Biden said that he thought that, if successful, the program might be expanded to include any old person, not merely relatives. “Why do we want to make the program so narrow?” he asked.

    Sitting with friends at Katie’s Diner in Wilmington, the Vice President suggested, “Any young person, looking for an opportunity to pick up quality government healthcare, could bring in an old homeless person — or one of those guys sitting on the side of the road with the ‘Will work for food’ signs.”

    By Ima Tuele
    of the New York Times News Service

  50. Rutheford,

    Remember when you questioned my own “linkage”? I already posted that you twittering fool. You’ve been skipping my POSTS! It’s an outrage!

  51. These people are the same kind of whackos we saw during the campaign. Unhinged, conspiracy theorists. Death threats, hatred, effigies. Yep, these are the unhinged lunatics being supported by special interest. If the special interest really cared about these mobsters then they wouldn’t raise premiums on individuals and employers.

    The problem is that these people are being bused into districts they don’t live in. Every district will have its own issues pertaining to health care. People being bused in don’t know how it’ll effect each district. They just want to go to town halls and stop discussion because they know that the more people learn about the FACTS of the health care bill, the more likely people are to support it. Just like the campaign this will become a spectator event where we watch the lunatics yell and say stupid things.
    as far as the economy is concerned, I blame the turn around of the economy on Obama because the stimulus was his idea. We obviously have a long way to go and I wasn’t trying to state that everything is great now.

  52. sesnico…will you help the Rabbit learn the facts about health care? I provided the link. What are the facts?

    Your like a big bubble of pink hubba bubba bubble gum.

    Pop!

    All air. No facts. Nothing intelligent. You don’t respond to anything. Your our new Elric. Except Elric was pretty razor sharp with his own points.

    Pop!
    “People being bused in don’t know how it’ll effect each district”

    Uh????

    Pop!
    “The problem is that these people are being bused into districts they don’t live in.”

    Do they use black helicopters too?

    Pop!
    “the more people learn about the FACTS of the health care bill, the more likely people are to support it.”

    Even Democrats admit that is actually false. Have you seen the polls?

    Pop!
    “the turn around of the economy ”

    Oh, were in a full blown turn around? LOL

    I’m almost positive I was as much a dimwit as you were when I was your age. The only difference is I remember being conscious of that fact.

  53. haha, I have to admit that had me LMAO. It was very entertaining as I ate my Ginger Snaps with milk 🙂 Though I won’t bother to rehash crap over the wording of the questions towards the end as the campaign is over. But I will remind you of the type of fringe elements that brought down the GOP last election. Now tell me, which one of these idiots were you

  54. I was the one when asked answered,”because he ain’t Obama and I wouldn’t cast my vote or lend my support to the racist, incompetent, Marxist bastard like the Jeremiah Wright apostle.” 😉

    They must have edited out my comment.

  55. i actually thought the responses would be worse, although the dude with the hat was on meth. some of the people had legitimate answers, some morons.

    hell, i’d probably say something pretty stupid if I was walking down Woodward and some geek with a cam approached me.

    And while obviously you can only read so much into both vids, if you can’t tell the difference between the format of yours and the format of tex’s your…well, your sensico.

  56. sensico…..i was hoping you’d have some solid facts about health care….i’m dead serious. I fully admit I’m not smart enough to understand the bill.

    Maybe you could just pick one page out of a 1000 and decipher it for dumb old Rabbit.

  57. Would you favor or oppose creating a public health care plan administered by the federal government that
    would compete directly with private health insurance companies?
    46 in favor and 41 oppose

    Now I am going to tell you more about the health care plan that President Obama supports and please tell
    me whether you would favor or oppose it.
    The plan requires that health insurance companies cover people with pre-existing medical conditions. It also
    requires all but the smallest employers to provide health coverage for their employees, or pay a percentage
    of their payroll to help fund coverage for the uninsured. Families and individuals with lower- and middleincomes
    would receive tax credits to help them afford insurance coverage. Some of the funding for this plan
    would come from raising taxes on wealthier Americans.
    Do you favor or oppose this plan?

    56 favor 38 oppose.

    I would still like to hold my previous statement when I wrote,
    “the more people learn about the FACTS of the health care bill, the more likely people are to support it.”
    Obama’s goals for the health care bill are essentially the same as the current bill.
    page 28 and 30 of the NBC/Wall St Journal poll http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/WSJ-NBC_Poll090729.pdf

  58. Rabbit, if I kept deciphering all the stuff you don’t understand about my statements or any policy related question, I’d be here all day and wouldn’t have a job. Therefore, I pick and choose what I feel like answering.
    That’s what google is for.
    http://google.com

  59. In which I just realized its 7:24pm and I have to go to work, so please don’t feel inadequate or get snippy with me just because I can’t answer all of your questions right now 😛

  60. ** GUFFAW **

    Hover over each state to get a gander of well people thing President Vladimir Obama is doing with respective to the Presidential curriculum.

    52% of the nation gives Obama a failing grade! 😆 😆 😆

  61. Tex … regarding your Obama voter video … please don’t get me started. Most Americans are frighteningly stupid across the political spectrum. All your video proved was that Dems are as dumbass as GOP’ers. And if I read it correctly, only 12 people were interviewed … hardly statistically significant.

    A couple more points. The young black woman with the glasses is a real cutie … I love how she admitted when she didn’t know the answer and was surprised when she found out the answer went against Obama or Biden. I think even you must have found her appealing.

    I think it’s also interesting that they knew more of the TRUTH about Palin than Republicans know the TRUTH about Obama. 😉

    But bottom line … let’s face it. Jay Leno made an entire segment out of this on The Tonight Show (called “jaywalking”) where he stunned us with the utter stupidity of a good number of Americans.

  62. Sensico! LOL DAMN …. I think the young dude behind the girl who needed a nose job might have been Elric!!! Holy sh*t! 😀

    In all seriousness, Tex in the video war you came with an unloaded gun. It’s one thing to be benignly ignorant. It’s another to be hatefully ignorant.

    In this battle: Sensico: 1, Taylor: Zippo!

  63. “And while obviously you can only read so much into both vids, if you can’t tell the difference between the” hate in Sensico’s and the hate in tex’s you’re…well, you’re Dead Rabbit..

  64. Hover over each state to get a gander of well people thing President Vladimir Obama is doing with respective to the Presidential curriculum.

    52% of the nation gives Obama a failing grade!

    Ehhh Tex, you need to bone up on reading charts before you hit the books again next week.Obama’s worst grade was on health care and 49% gave him an F on it … not the 52% you claim.

    Dag, I hope Rabbit isn’t as tough a grader on his students as the nation was on Obama!

  65. That poll is ridiculous, and any person that has taken statistics would know that’s just a poll for entertainment, it’s not a serious poll. I’m not saying that a c- isn’t his for real national grade, I just think polls that gather info like this shouldn’t be taken seriously. The poll gathers info from “CNN.com, Facebook, phone, and text messaging”. Sure, if I was an overzealous tea partier, I sure would vote F on CNN, then Facebook, phone and send a text.
    Sorry to rain on this little poll parade you’re having but it’s a sham of a poll lol. I think I would take a Rasmussen poll more seriously then this one.

  66. Boring rambles by the Rabbit. Not meant for consumption.
    ————————————————————————–

    “A couple more points. The young black woman with the glasses is a real cutie … I love how she admitted when she didn’t know the answer and was surprised when she found out the answer went against Obama or Biden. I think even you must have found her appealing.” -R

    I agree. You could tell she had a free mind and a very likable personality.

    If you think about it, none of us here is like her.

    There was some hate in Tex’s vid. The bigot stuff. But, calling Obama a socialist isn’t hate speech. It seemed like many people might have been intoxicated.

    Obama is way farther to the left then I thought he’d be. Be a political scientist for once and not a smitten cheerleader, Rutherford.

    Do you think Obama has found himself farther to the left then you thought?

    I like to think I can step out my personal views for a little bit every now and then for some analysis.

    Politically, this has been a terrible summer for Obama. The Gates thing hurt him bad. Not becuase of the 5% hit he took due to his prejudice in a racially charged issue. Obama was batting fourth with bases loaded in the 9th. He needed to deliver the health care plan to America that night. He failed miserably.

    The leadership just hasn’t been there. I think even R has hinted that it seems Pelosi and friends have been dominating Obama. It seems Obama wants to be nowhere near anything with a bad smell.

    I hear many Democrats banking on an economic upturn in defense of Obama (R being smart enough to back off that one)

    If we have a down turn, say another huge wave of foreclosures, Obama’s poll numbers will rival Bush’s as a lame duck.

    He is losing Blue collar types by the bushel. I was at the softball fields in the heart of factory Detroit, tonight. Trust me, Obama is on thin ice.

    I’m rambling.

    Ever since I almost killed that old man, I suck. I derive much of my swagger from the ability to hit a softball, as stupid as that sounds. I have been sucking bad. Some people are calling it the Curse of Lenny.

    I have a big tournament this weekend. Playing for cash. The coach of my team is the husband of my wife’s boss. I need to come through. He is a softball nazi too.

    Someone needs to film a documentary on these softball weirdos and the whole softball underworld. Dead pan interviews with these over macho clowns in their fancy uniforms taking a girls sport way too seriously.

    Eff roofing tomorrow. I’m going fishing.

    I have to go see the Moody Blues in concert with my in laws. I’ll probably play 7 or 8 games Saturday and Sunday and then go to the concert Sunday night.

    Nights in white satin.

    See you guys on Monday

  67. Rabbit in your honor:

    Breath deep
    The gathering gloom
    Watch lights fade
    From every room
    Bedsitter people
    Look back and lament
    Another day’s useless
    energy spent

    Impassioned lovers
    Wrestle as one
    Lonely man cries for love
    And has none
    New mother picks up
    And suckles her son
    Senior citizens
    Wish they were young

    Cold hearted orb
    That rules the night
    Removes the colours
    From our sight
    Red is gray and
    Yellow white
    But we decide
    Which is right
    And
    Which is an Illusion

    I admit I cheated and copied from a site but I do know most of that ending by heart. 🙂

  68. Rutherford,

    I believe your confusion would be that I consider “D” a failing grade. It is in medical school.

    And since math was my thing, I believe 36% F + 16% D adds to the truly terrific score of a whopping 48% giving Obama a overall passing grade. No state gave him anything better than a C+. Not looking good, as Obama now sinks below Bush popularity at comparable times – and that was after you thieves whined about stealing an election.

    You know how I know the wheels are coming off the bus Big “R”? Because tonight, on her own biased and kangaroo court show, I lowered myself to watch your heroine Rachel Madcow get obliterated. There were actually segments she mumbled. I thought she was going to cry.

    By the way, on your giving Sensico the big video win, Rabbit and I are laughing at you. 😯

  69. I like the delusion Sensico and R have, keep on believing that people actually like this thing. Ram it through, go on, it only helops the GOP.

    You’re both in denial…

  70. Ah Elric… back from white water rafting I see. It obviously didn’t dampen your conservative fervor. 🙂 Welcome back … you can see if you look through a couple of the last threads, you were missed, or at least remembered.

    And you’re back in a nick of time too. Tex will be returning to med school next week so he’ll be dropping by infrequently so it’s up to you to join Rabbit in leading the conservative assault.

    As for your LGF2 link … you really ought to save that silly frat-house foolishness for ChenZhen’s Chamber. Chen’s a fan of the “blogger intrigue” where folks ban other folks and talk dirt, etc. I’m just here for a free exchange of ideas, not sophomoric flame wars and blogger battles.

  71. Elric, as for your other videos … yes I am increasingly concerned about the town hall mobs, regardless of their political persuasion. Everybody needs to take a chill pill before more people get hurt, or worse.

  72. “I’m just here for a free exchange of ideas, not sophomoric flame wars and blogger battles.”

    But attacking and vilifying protesters by order of thuggy is ok?

    “yes I am increasingly concerned about the town hall mobs, regardless of their political persuasion. Everybody needs to take a chill pill before more people get hurt, or worse.”

    Ahhh I see, you are “concerned” about the “mobs” not thuggy saying he will hit back twice as hard?

  73. By the way, on your giving Sensico the big video win, Rabbit and I are laughing at you. 😯

    Tex, I wouldn’t be so quick to speak for Rabbit on this one. Unlike you, Rabbit acknowledged the hatred in the videos Sensico posted. I can’t say Rabbit found anything beyond mere stupidity in the video you posted.

  74. WH: We’re not collecting names, we’re storing your e-mail addresses
    posted at 11:02 am on August 7, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Robert Gibbs assured Jake Tapper that the new White House initiative to get people to snitch on their neighbors for dissenting on ObamaCare had nothing to do with collecting names. Oh, no — that would not be Hope and Change! Instead, it has everything to do with collecting our e-mails:

    Asked about Cornyn’s letter on Thursday afternoon, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said, “nobody is collecting names.”

    The blog and tips email was because, Gibbs said, “we have seen, and as I’ve discussed from this podium, a lot of misinformation around health care reform. Some of it I think spread purposely. We have used on many occasions the Web site to debunk things that are simply not true. We ask people if they have questions about health care reform and about what they’re hearing about its affects on them, to let us know and we’d provide them information to show that that wasn’t true.”

    Continued Gibbs: “but nobody is collecting names.”

    But …

    When asked, Gibbs acknowledged that the White House is required by law to save all correspondence it receives.

    “Obviously, the National Archives documents correspondence with the White House,” he said.

    That’s besides the point, for the most part. They didn’t set up a White House e-mail address and an infrastructure to review the traffic it receives in order to just give the National Archives even more work to do. The National Archives does not require a stimulus package.

    The administration clearly wants to activate millions of snoops across America to get tips on what people say about Obama and his health-care plan. One can parse whether that amounts literally to “taking names,” but its design explicitly demonstrates a desire for the White House to track its political opposition. If all Obama wanted was a chance to respond to the debate, it could keep its own tabs on arguments made on Capitol Hill during the Congressional actions on ObamaCare bills. They can also easily keep an eye on lobbying groups and their public campaigns without creating a vast network of snitches to do it.

    Gibbs’ answer is disingenuous. The better question is why the White House created its snitch line in the first place.

    Update: The boss has more on the people who run Snitch Center at the White House.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/07/wh-were-not-collecting-names-were-storing-your-e-mail-addresses/

    Is this politburo fascist enough for you Dodger?

  75. “Those are the definitions I found. Now I have no problem with Elric using the term constantly because he has proven he cannot exist without rhetorical crutches, but I’d expect more from the rest of you.”

    LOL Im sorry Dodger, I thought I would take a page out of the Alinsky handbook like Thuggy has. Is that a problem?

  76. And what’s good for GOP congressmen is good for pets, but not for the rest us

    That’s classic Sensico. Thaddeus is the same dingbat who introduced a resolution to force Obama to apologize to Sgt. James Crowley.

    Another case of the inmates running the asylum.

  77. “Another case of the inmates running the asylum.”

    You must mean the demomarxists since they have the majority. But then you are a drone and probably thought the Republicans had control of Congress in 2007-2008.

  78. As for the video, my mistake I linked the wrong one. Same video per say but quite different subtitles. 🙂

    Now that’s better! I especially like the remark about “Hillary’s women”. LOL

  79. “But then you are a drone and probably thought the Republicans had control of Congress in 2007-2008.”

    No, I’m well aware that a Democratic congress under a Republican president only had two years to try to clean up the previous six.

  80. Nancy Pelosi, who will get her own bound volume in the annals of asininity, has outdone herself. When asked by a reporter whether the protests at various town-hall meetings represented legitimate grassroots opposition or were manufactured “AstroTurf” stunts, she replied, “I think they’re AstroTurf. You be the judge. They’re carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on health care.”

    So Dodger, when will you Speaker apologize for calling the protesters Nazis?

  81. “No, I’m well aware that a Democratic congress under a Republican president only had two years to try to clean up the previous six.”

    And what have they done now besides insane spending and running programs that go broke after a week? What did Thuggy do in his 2 years in the Senate besides run for president? Now I do remember Bush and McVain warning about banks like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac but the Dems said they were fine. I guess those huge campaign contributions had an effect.

  82. “I was almost convinced that he would have been fired after the little tax controversy.”

    A tax cheat being nominated to head the IRS is a “little controversy”?

  83. Republican hypocrisy. Didn’t the GOP call this treason not too long ago?

    Eric Cantor Undermines U.S. Foreign Policy On Foreign Soil

    http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/cantor-swipes-at-obama-policy-on-mideast-trip-2009-08-06.html

    Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) took a swipe at President Barack Obama’s Mideast policy in Jerusalem on Thursday, telling reporters he was worried about the administration’s direction in its attempts to forge a settlement in the region.

    ‘We’re here to try and make things better; we are here because we are concerned,’ Cantor said. ‘We are concerned about what the White House has been signaling as of late in their desire to push through in terms of a Middle East peace plan.’

  84. Awwwwww…..you dont like it when the Republicans use the demomarxist play book? Well too bad. The Republicans wont get anywhere being nice to these thugs.

  85. Welcome to Thuggy America

    Video: SEIU activists try to set ObamaCare opponents straight
    posted at 2:55 pm on August 7, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    After the President himself talked about getting in people’s faces when they oppose his policies and setting up snitch lines at the White House, the only shocker in this video is that it took so long for townhalls to turn violent. The SEIU showed up in t-shirted uniform to a townhall meeting for Rep. Russ Carnahan in St. Louis, apparently intent on demonstrating union tactics in organizing elections if Congress passes Card Check. The video below shows the immediate aftermath of the attack, including the arrest of one of the SEIU’s thugs:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/07/video-seiu-activists-try-to-set-obamacare-opponents-straight/

  86. Curator,

    Cantor should feel safe in making those charges as Obama continues to sell out our allies. Perhaps the Dems should stick with the Blame America Tour. Now if Cantor would have done this in Pakistan like the Dems were fond of during the Bush years, maybe I would voice my displeasure.

    I understand that 6% of the Israeli population gives Big O a vote of approval. For every one citizen you find approving of Obama’s initiatives, about nineteen (19) Jews give Obama the raspberries, followed by the bird.

    If America were half as smart as the Israeli Jews…. 😉

  87. I could give a damn what Israel thinks about the President. It’s about time our foreign policy was constructed in Washington DC instead of Tel Aviv.

  88. Curator,

    Why? Over half the country likes Netanyahu better than Obama and Benjamin’s about a 1,000 times brighter. 🙂

    Besides, Obama doesn’t have the balls to deal with the Ayatollah. He needs Ben to do it for him.

  89. “I could give a damn what Israel thinks about the President. It’s about time our foreign policy was constructed in Washington DC instead of Tel Aviv.”

    Geesh is there a lib that likes Israel?

  90. Elric,

    One I can think of off the top of my head. This abysmal and corrupt Alan Dershowitz. Israel is the only position Dershowitz isn’t a complete schmuck.

  91. Elric,

    This character Gladney is right in the middle of that video. He pulls something out of his pocket and hands it off to the dude in the blue dress shirt (39 second mark). And Gladney is NOT injured. He’s walking around and talking. It’s the SEIU guy who is down on the ground, injured, and the other SEIU guy who is helping who gets pushed and attacked. Gladney is NOT injured at all, yet he is the one claiming he was attacked. Quit blaming Democrats for the craziness of the right-wing fringe.

    I could be wrong, but this was an SEIU-sponsored event, and it’s typical of event sponsors/volunteers to have some kind of identifying uniform on.

    The event wasn’t even supposed to be about healthcare, by the way! It was supposed to be on aging issues. If they didn’t have the SEIU to blame it on, they’d make up some stupid shit about ACORN.

  92. Geesh is there a lib that likes Israel?

    Is there a neocon who would not spill the last drop of American blood to defend Israel?

  93. St. Louis town hall: Protesters locked out while SEIU is admitted? Update: “These Members need cover”
    posted at 9:59 pm on August 6, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    Jim Hoft was there and claims that’s exactly what happened. Funny coincidence: Some people at the town hall in Tampa where the fight broke out saw a curiously large number of SEIU people there, too.

    SEIU & Castor organize a townhall and announce it at the last minute as to reduce opposition voices. The townhall was packed 1/2 w SEIU people.

    When supporters of healthcare freedom (ie, anti-BigGovHealth demonstrators) were prevented access to the townhall they began to shout, bang windows & doors.

    Normally I’d be skeptical that this is as bad as it looks — maybe the SEIU guys were staffing the event or maybe they’d already been admitted and had stepped outside for something — but if Rachel Maddow and Think Progress don’t care what’s true and what’s not, why should I? Go ahead and assume the worst. The left certainly would. Click the image to watch.

    Update: Amanda Carpenter e-mails to point me to Health Care for America Now’s playbook on how to counter conservative protesters at town halls. The money bit:

    Another one of Ms. Jorge’s tips is to “Address the [member of Congress] directly with a positive message: Remember, these Members need cover and they are getting beaten up by right wing zealots in these meetings.”

    HCAN Communications Director Jacki Schechner said protecting elected officials who support their favored reforms was necessary given the contentious nature of some town-hall meetings.

    Ms. Schechner said conservatives are baiting lawmakers into holding town-hall meetings, “so [lawmakers] can get yelled at and they don’t want to feel unsafe and uncomfortable.”

    Stacking the audience with friendly SEIU members in lieu of ObamaCare naysayers surely qualifies as providing “cover.” Fun fact: One of the organizations on HCAN’s steering committee is, you guessed it, SEIU.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/06/st-louis-town-hall-protesters-locked-out-while-seiu-is-admitted/

    You just keep defending Thuggy’s ……..thugs

  94. “Is there a neocon who would not spill the last drop of American blood to defend Israel?”

    Libs also love answering questions with questions. But I wasnt aware we spilled one drop so far to defend Israel.

  95. Minority Whip Eric Cantor has no business airing our dirty laundry overseas. I have always hated that stuff.

    Until we are no longer are a union, you don’t diss the President (no matter how much of an inept leader he is) in another house.

    Growing up the oldest of 5 brothers, each of us a year a part in age, we battled nonstop. It was seriously plausible we could have killed one another.

    But we never involved the rest of the neighborhood in our own conflicts. Many friends of ours thought they had license to involve themselves in our disputes and learned quickly what a mistake that was.

    I apply the same logic to America

  96. “Until we are no longer are a union, you don’t diss the President (no matter how much of an inept leader he is) in another house.”

    Even if he craps all over the American people?

  97. Video: Dingell townhall infiltrated by well-dressed sophisticates, too
    posted at 3:35 pm on August 7, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Want a video definition of “clueless”? Watch John Dingell’s reaction to the massive outpouring of opposition to the ObamaCare bill he authored, which comes at the 2-minute mark. With not one but two SRO crowds at Dingell’s home-town meetings shouting “Kill the Bill,” what conclusion does Dingell draw? The bill is not terribly popular? It’s going to create a big problem for him unless he retires in 2010? Not exactly:

    I keep looking around the halls on these videos to see those “well-dressed” imposters that Barbara Boxer insists keep infiltrating town halls of Democrats who back the nationalization of health care. I’ve yet to see a single tie or wing-tip shoe, but I certainly see a lot of people with some very good questions for ObamaCare advocates. Just before Dingell chalks up a room full of people chanting “Kill the Bill” to the efforts of a few infiltrators, one woman angrily asks Dingell who will pay for ObamaCare. “Will it come out of my paycheck?” she demands, and Dingell has no answer.

    Hey, lady, Dingell wrote the bill. Don’t expect him to actually know what’s in it.

    Dingell and Boxer can claim that all of this comes from some sort of odd phenomenon organized by a handful of powerful interests, but that doesn’t explain either the rapid fall in public support for ObamaCare, nor the decline in Obama’s approval numbers in general or on health care specifically. Americans would like to see some of the shortfalls in the system fixed, such as the difficulty in getting insured with pre-existing conditions and the lack of interstate competition for coverage plans, but they don’t want government running their health care. If Dingell and Boxer really believe their press, they’re in for a rude awakening in 2010.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/07/video-dingell-townhall-infiltrated-by-well-dressed-sophisticates-too/

    Thuggy “The Great Divider”

  98. Video: Protester beaten by union goons at town hall speaks; Update: SEIU releases attack ad against “teabaggers”
    posted at 5:55 pm on August 7, 2009 by Allahpundit

    Sounds like the beating was worse than we thought, but that’s what he gets for being a “political terrorist.” His lawyer’s promising a civil suit against the goons and possibly SEIU itself if he can prove that they were intimidating people and “starting trouble” at the union’s behest. Here’s a little something for the jury from one of their directors down in Tampa last night:

    Asked earlier today about possible disruption at the event, Kim Diehl of SEIU said, “We’re prepared. We have strategies to deal with it if it should come up.”

    Indeed they do. Be sure to read the boss’s post about some of the pleasantries that were exchanged this afternoon on Sebelius’s conference call with SEIU. Hint: It involves a cabinet officer of the United States government sitting silently by while a union capo accuses protesters of “terrorist tactics.”

    Update: An Orwellian treat from The One’s union muscle, fretting about the rowdiness of the “teabaggers” they had no choice but to stomp on in St. Louis last night. Someone needs to remix this with the footage of Gladney getting hassled and the cops showing up to arrest a goon in a purple shirt.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/07/video-protester-beaten-by-union-goons-at-town-hall-speaks-update-seiu-releases-attack-ad-against-protesters/

    Can ya feel the Thuggery Dodger? Imagine if this was happening under Bush and the Republicans were sending out goons to intimidate protesters during the build up to the Iraq war? You would be screaming and justifiably so. But its Thuggy so like a good drone you go along with the fascism.

  99. Well guess what? Showing respect to these marxist thugs trying to bring down this nation wont help. Show thuggy the same respect the left showed Bush. He deserves no less.

  100. That’s the difference between me and you. I have principals. You are Machiavellian

    When I called the left out for that shit, I meant it. It was wrong then and wrong now.

  101. “That’s the difference between me and you. I have principals. You are Machiavellian”

    And how those principles working out? So far we have protesters being called Nazis, racists, political terrorists by the demomarxist leaders and being beat by union thugs. And all this with Thuggy’s blessing.

  102. HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius held a brief conference call with SEIU members this afternoon.

    She hailed them as her “brothers and sisters” and urged them to show up at town hall meetings.

    She gave the same stultifying mini-lecture about the sanctity of Medicare“Change is not easy,” she droned. “We need to roll up our sleeves.”

    I really really despise these people.

  103. Curious why is it wrong for Cantor to make a statement in Israel about US/Israel policy but Pelosis Syria trip back in the day was supposed to be no big deal ?

  104. At Curator 115

    Is there a neocon who would not spill the last drop of American blood to defend Israel?

    Probably not since neo cons,the descendants of American socialists, are a bit top heavy in the zionist department. Please note though that neo con and con are not the same.

  105. Sensico 94
    I wonder if you think Ellison (D) dodge of the healthcare issue is indicative that the so called leaders are not necessarily the ones to look to for healthcare related issues ???

  106. Sensico made the claim that the pissed off elderly people raising hell are an out of control mob and a bunch of plants.

    Here are some:

    http://www.breitbart.tv/aarp-reps-cancel-listening-session-after-participants-refuse-to-keep-their-comments-quiet/

    Well, even if that were true, she obviously has some explaining to do now herself. The Union guys ARE plants and, at least in a few cases, are turning this violent!

    The Dems TOLD us they are going to “plant” them!

    Can you believe the White House is using rhetoric like “hit them back twice as hard????? Hit them back?

    I can see us all turning into 6th graders here for the next 2 months uploading video from town halls and arguing over who hit who first.

    No matter what your take on health insurance or who are the true goons at town hall meetings, the very fact a potential policy is coming down to shit like this points to terrible leadership.

    There is a reason everything is so tense now.

    1. Congress didn’t read the biggest spending bill in world history. It’s full of pork.
    2. We see the same thing happening with the health care bill.
    3. The more people learn the details and think about the ramifications, the more they hate it.
    4. Our President is failing to remotely sell this thing (understatement of the year)*
    5. Before this week, none of the details of the bill were even released. The thing that is released is massive and makes no sense.

    *amateur hour never seems to end.
    ________________________________________________
    ” These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.”

    I can’t get over the audacity of that. To include the phrase “casual conversation” in the same paragraph on turning people in to the government blows me away.

    It amazes me liberals are cool with shenanigans like that. I don’t give a damn what “wing nut lies” are out there.

    LOL
    amateur hour.

  107. I just read major parts of the health scam President Evil is trying to impose. What a gruesome POS this thing is. Government rationed death care. 😈

    It’s time to get out the tar and pitch forks for Obama and Pelosi.

  108. Tex,

    Told you this guy is an evil thug. Him and the demomarxist leadership, all of them. People should be scared. Once they control your health, they control you.

  109. Alfie, you are correct- neocons are liberals with balls.

    That’s right, they belong to you, always have, always will.

  110. Video: Democrat screams at constituent for asking tough question on health care
    posted at 8:45 pm on August 7, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    And by “constituent,” I of course mean crypto-Nazi political terrorist. You’ll find the full unedited exchange right here but I’m giving you the news segment because it provides important context. Like, for example, that the guy who asked Scott the question actually is one of his constituents, contrary to what the distinguished gentleman implies. And that his “hijacking” of this town hall (which wasn’t devoted to health care) came during a Q&A session in which attendees were in fact allowed to ask about anything. But aside from that, he’s very, very Nazi, baby.

    He appears to be in good health during the interview, too, so the SEIU presence at the meeting must have been light.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/07/video-democrat-screams-at-constituent-for-asking-tough-question-on-health-care/

  111. Daniel Hannan on ObamaCare: Are you people insane?
    posted at 9:22 pm on August 7, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    A desperate intervention from a man who’s already seen this car crash up close, wondering why any free people would tolerate it short of a major war forcing them to. The words of one of the world’s most eloquent conservatives need no elaboration from me, but as companion reading to Beck’s point about how lame the arguments are for this boondoggle, try Ramesh Ponnuru’s piece on the paradoxes of ObamaCare in Time. Quote:

    There are two basic points about health-care reform that President Obama wants to convey. The first is that, as he put it in an ABC special in June, “the status quo is untenable.” Our health-care system is rife with “skewed incentives.” It gives us “a whole bunch of care” that “may not be making us healthier.” It generates too many specialists and not enough primary-care physicians. It is “bankrupting families,” “bankrupting businesses” and “bankrupting our government at the state and federal level. So we know things are going to have to change.”

    Obama’s second major point is that–to quote from the same broadcast–”if you are happy with your plan and you are happy with your doctor, then we don’t want you to have to change … So what we’re saying is, If you are happy with your plan and your doctor, you stick with it.”

    So the system is an unsustainable disaster, but you can keep your piece of it if you want. And the Democrats wonder why selling health-care reform to the public has been so hard?

    Exit question: How do we get Hannan to run for office here? Seriously.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/07/daniel-hannan-on-obamacare-are-you-people-insane/

    Only the drones are insane

  112. “What a gruesome POS this thing is. Government rationed death care.”

    I know. From what I could interpret….it’s exactly the nightmare we thought it would be.

  113. re: Elric 139

    great link.

    The Dems are going to get burned bad with their categorization of these people as “plants”.

    America isn’t falling for it either.

  114. DR,

    Let us hope they get burned. This treatment of these protesters is troubling but it has really revealed the fascist mentality of these Demomarxists. The drones will never see but the independents that got suckered in November are seeing first hand what we warned them about.

  115. Great link Elric!

    Which raises a question for my friend Rutherford; actually two questions:

    (1) Are you willing to go on a waiting list for your COPD?

    (2) What do you think of a government bureaucracy for healthcare that has more administrators than doctors and nurses? It that what you want for yourself?

    I’d ask the same question of Curator, but he moved to the dark side long ago and added a good measure of Jew hatin’ thrown in for good measure. No need wasting time as I’m sure he a fan of eugenics.

  116. The Tingles Show Breaks it Down: Between 45-65% of ObamaCare Protesters are Racists…..

    Here’s another statistic: Chris Matthews spends 96.38% of his day wishing he was the First Man….

    Cynthia Tucker: 45-65% Of Townhal Protesters Are Racists (NB)

    CHRIS MATTHEWS: Put 100 of these people in a room. Strap them into gurneys. Inject them with sodium pentathol. How many of them would say “I don’t like the idea of having a black president”? What percentage? black president”? What percentage?

    CYNTHIA TUCKER: Oh, I’m just guessing. This is just off the cuff. I think 45 to 65% of the people who appear at these groups are people who will never be comfortable with the idea of a black president.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/08/the-tingles-show-breaks-it-down-between-45-65-of-obamacare-protesters-are-racists.html

    These people make me sick. They are the ones that are the racists. Libs just cant help themselves. Must play the race card and divide this nation.

    BTW Thuggy isnt black, he is biracial.

  117. This entire “protest” movement is a farce. They’d like for everyone to believe it’s a grass-roots campaign to get the word out about the evils of the health care plan. What it really is, is an organized attempt to disrupt Senators from actually having a reasonable discussion with their constituents. Republicans are very afraid that the word will actually get out about the plan and that people will hear an alternative to being dumped by your health insurance company when you lose your job. The fear is being broadcast from the Big 7 health insurance corporations (whose CEOs make 10s of millions of dollars each year). These unruly protesters who are shouting down the message are doing the bidding of those insurance companies who will, ultimately, deny their claims in the name of lining their own pockets.

    You want the status-quo? In 20 years you won’t be able to afford your status-quo. You may “have yours” right now but keeping it, long-term, will drive YOU (and this country) into bankruptcy. The Big 7 insurance companies don’t want any real competition. Those protesters are ensuring they don’t have any. Good job!!

  118. Curator,

    Seems like an easy fix. Why doesn’t President Obama take another crack at prime time, sans Professor Gates, and explain how this “alternative” really works.

    This is the information revolution and you and Rutherford are blaming the village square.

    Lastly, do you have proof for your accusation? Because I know a ton of people who agree with the protesters.

    Maybe millions of us have been programed by some kind of chip. A short wave frequency will go off and Dead Rabbit will mindlessly show up at a town hall meeting and make those fart sounds by way of my hand in my arm pit.

  119. Geesh is there a lib that likes Israel?

    Elric, I’d say you left your common sense in the white water raft but that would assume you had any to begin with.

    Most American Jews lean liberal. Most liberals are very sympathetic to the “Jewish plight”. And I would venture to say those conservatives who support Israel really do so simply to have an ally to help us fight Arabs, whom we fear more.

  120. So far we have protesters being called Nazis

    Have you finally lost your mind? The protesters are carrying signs with Obama having a Hitler mustache and other signs with swastikas. What friggin world are you living in Elric?

  121. There is a reason everything is so tense now.

    1. Congress didn’t read the biggest spending bill in world history. It’s full of pork.
    2. We see the same thing happening with the health care bill.
    3. The more people learn the details and think about the ramifications, the more they hate it.
    4. Our President is failing to remotely sell this thing (understatement of the year)*
    5. Before this week, none of the details of the bill were even released. The thing that is released is massive and makes no sense.

    Why do I always have to be the one to say this? Rabbit you left off reason #6 which may be minimal but is out there, believe me.

    6. Folks want “their America back” which means an America with a white President.

    And before you start …. race card my ass. You tell me that at least a few of those protesters still can’t believe the President of the United States is black.

  122. It’s all so boring sometimes. Outraged supporters of the President at the moment, no matter the party, screaming about a few demonstrators evoking images of Hitler.

    Dude…come on. Most people are nervous middle class elderly people who fricking fought the Nazis.

  123. Government rationed death care.

    Tex, being a drama queen does not become you.

    Please share with us the specific parts of the bill you read that scare you. Since we all agree that our legislators have done a piss poor job of explaining this to us, let’s dig through it right here and get to the truth.

    Your comment that I quoted is not truth, It’s an audition for an Academy Award.

  124. “Folks want “their America back” which means an America with a white President.”-R

    Yet another yawner. It’s funny how all these independents who voted for the black president are now suddenly Klansman who want Obama gone becuase he is black.

    You don’t understand white racists dude. I’m with them everyday. They don’t really care about Obama being black.

    Will they drop the N bomb becuase some crack head finally gets busted after a series of B and E’s?

    Sometimes.

    Will a few get pissed off when the local hot blond with big tits is holding a black man’s hand at the mall?

    Yeah. A few.

    But it’s just not like you think. Nobody except for Skinheads and Nazis are sitting around bitching about Obama’s skin color.

    I would tell you if that was the case, dude.

    It’s so pathetic that Tex predicted you so perfectly.

    It’s becuase Obama is black. LOL

  125. (1) Are you willing to go on a waiting list for your COPD?

    (2) What do you think of a government bureaucracy for healthcare that has more administrators than doctors and nurses? It that what you want for yourself?

    Unlike all you Chicken Little’s, I know that any changes we see in our health care system will happen over time … it will be gradual. I’m not sure how I feel about single payer. From the little I know, it ain’t so great in Canada. But we are not going to single payer right now. We are going to take an incremental step to get MORE people insured and to stop insurance companies from denying coverage to folks who are already sick.

    If we let you fraidy-cats run the show, health care will remain messed up for another 15 years.

  126. Alf, typically speaking, no politician should be looked to for healthcare issues. Unfortunately, that’s why they have aide and people in the healthcare industry that tells them whats going on and politicians make decisions from there. I don’t know what Ellison said or didn’t say but I don’t see how it’s related to my comment #94.
    Rabbit, if you’re referring to my last video I posted, I wouldn’t call that an angry mob. I say it yesterday and just thought the guy was a loud mouth that wouldn’t shut up more than anything.

    Anyways, I think that some of the people protesting healthcare aren’t plants. I just think the loud mouths that scream like idiots are using a strategy. That is to do anything to prevent discussion on the issue. They were told to do so in a memo about protesting these events and it’s backed by insurance companies that would love to see health care fail.
    As far as the tone at these events. It’s funny that now that democrats want to organize for healthcare that it’s making republicans “angry”. And last time I check democrats were protesting for healthcare, unlike republicans they aren’t holding effigies, nazi signs or screaming their heads off for no apparent reason.
    now, death threats against union workers….
    http://washingtonindependent.com/54364/threats-of-town-hall-violence-in-new-mexico
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/obama-allied-unions-threa_n_254204.html
    http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/08/ss-nazi-sign/
    http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/08/06/reports-glenn-beck-fans-turn-health-forum-into-near-riot/
    It’s not that serious, people need to chill out, take a cold shower and study up on anger management.

  127. BTW Thuggy isnt black, he is biracial.

    BTW, Elric isn’t part nutjob, he’s 100% nutjob. 🙂

    Now that we have that out of the way … I watched the Hardball segment in question. Cynthia Tucker took great pains to say there is no way we can know for sure what is in the hearts and minds of the protesters. She then made her rough gut estimate on the “racist factor”. The fellow on with her (I can’t recall his name at the moment) said he felt the number was lower … but still present!

    Sorry Elric but not everyone is as color blind as you. The reaction to the health care legislation is irrationally vitriolic which leads many folks to wonder what else could be fueling it besides health care. Simple as that.

  128. You should trust me on this one. Are some of the pissed of people racist? Of course, their old people. They have all kind of views on “colored” people. But that doesn’t mean their racism is the catalyst.

    If a undercurrent of racism is the catalyst of the current angst in this country I would simply tell you that is the case.

    Some of the biggest racists i know are still on the Obama bandwagon actually.

    You don’t understand how my world works, Rutherford.

  129. R,

    Seems like an easy fix. Why doesn’t President Obama take another crack at prime time, sans Professor Gates, and explain how this “alternative” really works.

    This is the information revolution and you and Rutherford are blaming the village square.

    Lastly, do you have proof for your accusation? Because I know a ton of people who agree with the protesters.

    Maybe millions of us have been programed by some kind of chip. A short wave frequency will go off and Dead Rabbit will mindlessly show up at a town hall meeting and make those fart sounds by way of my hand in my arm pit.

  130. If we let you fraidy-cats run the show, health care will remain messed up for another 15 years.

    Let the government run the show, and it will be fucked up until eternity. That is a guarantee.

    Rutherford, this ridiculous claim of racism is laughable – I’m laughing at you. I talked to a woman today (white) who voted for him. When I asked how she felt now, she said Obama is “too radical” for her liking.

    I wanted to say what took you so long to wake up?

  131. And by the way Rutherford, not only is America’s health care system still the best in the world, but 68% of Americans rate their health care as good or excellent.

    You’re going to lose this one buddy. But I am screaming for you and the incomparable bucket of shit Curator to ram this through. And we will find out in about 14 months just how staged this supposed anger is.

    You’re going to be shitting in your drawers about this time next year I’m guessing. I’ll be back to rub salt in the wounds and listen to you whine about how racist America is.

  132. It’s becuase Obama is black. LOL

    Rabbit you are beginning to fall into Tex’s trap of ignoring nuance.

    I never said the protests were because Obama is black. I said his race is a factor that only the most racially naive could ignore.

    I distinctly remember hearing people say last year, “there is no way I’m waking up on November 5 with a black man elected president”. You think they changed their minds since then? You don’t think any change introduced (particularly radical change) by this black man doesn’t give some folks the willies?

    If racism is not an element, however small, then please explain to me what has come over people? Curator is right. The bottom line of this bill is to protect people from the unethical practices of the insurance companies and the vagaries of losing one’s insurance when you lose your job. How can a bill with that goal have people on the verge of killing each other at town hall meetings? Whence comes all the rage dude? I just don’t get it.

  133. Tex,

    I think the left wing media is really going with the Racist thing hard now. That’s why R showed up all riled up this evening.

    So sad. You called it. We need to have the courage to laugh in any black man’s face when he claims this. I know I will.

    Whats really amazes me is that R seems to dismiss how unprecedented government economic policy has been under Bush and Obama. He just doesn’t get how big the stakes are.

    Health care is about staying alive. Our survival instinct mixed with politics mixed with the after math of the biggest spending bill in world history equals very emotional people.

  134. It’s not that serious, people need to chill out, take a cold shower and study up on anger management.

    I swear, someone up there likes me and sent Curator and Sensico down here to watch my back.

    Sensico …. my sentiments exactly.

  135. Rabbit,

    There will never come a day that Rutherford will find the fortitude to admit that Obama isn’t good enough to be head chef at Burger King.

    Notice how Rutherford never mentions old Rev. Jeremiah? Now if Rutherford wants to witness a racist in action, he could turn on a Jeremiah sermon and gain some wisdom. I dare him to show me a white public figure more racist than Jeremiah, Louie Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson.

  136. And by the way Rutherford, not only is America’s health care system still the best in the world, but 68% of Americans rate their health care as good or excellent.

    What part of this sentence do you not understand?

    If you like your current health care and doctor, you stand no greater chance of losing it under the new plan than you did under the status quo.

    Now notice … I did not say you stand no chance of losing it. I said you stand no greater chance of losing it. Again, these damn irrational loons seem to think that they are currently safe. The 68% you say are happy won’t remain happy when they get denied coverage for a prior condition, or they get fired and lose their health care. A lot of this protest involves the short term selfish stupidity of the masses.

    Let me try again. You’re not fu*king safe now! You can lose your health care now! You can be denied overage now!

    Please tell me what you don’t understand there!

  137. The kind of people stewing over Obama’s skin color don’t even know where town hall meetings are held. They are in biker bars and truck stops. These kind of people are so cut off from America that they want nothing to do with the establishment, including any sort of dialog with some dandy with a weird part in his hair and super white teeth otherwise known as a Congressman.

    Places like town halls remind them of courthouses which remind them of the DUI they got which reminds them they are on probation.

  138. “Let me try again. You’re not fu*king safe now! You can lose your health care now! You can be denied overage now!”

    Lets pretend for a moment that what your saying is actually true.

    You can’t see why the people don’t trust the government?

    They saw the government print billions of dollars that appear to be going to banker bonuses.

    They saw the biggest spending bill in World History go unread, despite Obama’s campaign pledge. This spending bill is thought by many to be riddled with pork while not fixing unemployment.

    Most recently, they saw a government unveil a Cash for Clunkers bill that was supposed to last to November run out in 48 hours.

    They see the deficit. They see the debt.

    Even if I agreed with you, I would still fully understand why the people are behaving the way they are.

  139. I dare him to show me a white public figure more racist than Jeremiah, Louie Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson.

    Living or dead? I immediately thought of George Wallace. Strom Thurmond, reformed racist. I could go on but it’s a silly exercise.

    By the way, racism=prejudice+power therefore a black man cannot by definition be a racist. He does not have the power to impose his prejudice upon others.

  140. To Gorilla: I’m not sure you can post a picture other than via a link. However in most cases, if you simply put the link to a YouTube video in your comment, it will automatically embed the video in your comment. Don’t use the embed code … use the straight URL.

  141. Obama is the most powerful man on Earth you fool. News flash…he’s black!!!!

    Damn…thank God normal Mexican Americans aren’t always playing your violin.

    Outside academia…Latinos laugh at your pussyfooting.

  142. holy crap i need to get to bed.

    Now that’s something we can agree on! And you’re in an earlier time zone than I am dude … quit your whinin’! 🙂

    Have a good time softballin’ tomorrow. And relax, you won’t nail any more elderly people with your killer pitch! 🙂

  143. What part of this sentence do you not understand?

    If you like your current health care and doctor, you stand no greater chance of losing it under the new plan than you did under the status quo.

    Oh, just the part of that statement that is complete bullshit and anybody that understands Obama and government knows it.

  144. By the way, racism=prejudice+power therefore a black man cannot by definition be a racist. He does not have the power to impose his prejudice upon others.

    My God man. Have you converted on the Black Panthers or something during the afternoon?

    Well then, no matter what I call from Obama from now on, I’ll live with the comfort I can’t be a racist no matter the comment, being I can’t impose my will on him since he’s more powerful than I am.

  145. “Have you finally lost your mind? The protesters are carrying signs with Obama having a Hitler mustache and other signs with swastikas. What friggin world are you living in Elric?”

    Right, lets see the pics Dodger. Oh and showing Thuggy with a Hitler mustache makes one a Nazi? What frigging planet do you live in?

  146. “Most American Jews lean liberal. Most liberals are very sympathetic to the “Jewish plight”. And I would venture to say those conservatives who support Israel really do so simply to have an ally to help us fight Arabs, whom we fear more.”

    Typical Dodger. Ill go by the protests after Israel went into Gaza and the actions of Thuggy which is anything but sympathetic towards Israel. Actually your buddy didnt seem all that sympathetic either.

    “But we are not going to single payer right now.”

    No, these thugs just want the foot in the door. Even Thuggy is one record that he wants to gradually go to one.

    “The reaction to the health care legislation is irrationally vitriolic which leads many folks to wonder what else could be fueling it besides health care”

    Yeah it just has to be racist, doesnt it Dodger. Hey Pelosi is pushing it too, are these people sexist? Reid is pushing it. Are these people anti Mormon? Thuggy’s goon Emmanuel is pushing it. Are these people antisemitic? You are as bad a race baiter as these talking heads. Which leads me to believe wonder if you are racist like all the other race baiters ttaht have to smear people over a “guess’ since their is no evidence.

    “I said his race is a factor that only the most racially naive could ignore.”

    Based on what? Were the 95 percent of blacks that voted against McVain racist?

    “If you like your current health care and doctor, you stand no greater chance of losing it under the new plan than you did under the status quo.”

    BS. The Senator from Missouri held a rally and said the goal was to price out the other insurers until the competition is gone . Was she lying?

    “By the way, racism=prejudice+power therefore a black man cannot by definition be a racist. He does not have the power to impose his prejudice upon others.”

    My God, you really are a racist. The veil finally comes off. This would explain your unwaivering devotion towards Thuggy as he destroys this nation.

  147. “Well then, no matter what I call from Obama from now on, I’ll live with the comfort I can’t be a racist no matter the comment, being I can’t impose my will on him since he’s more powerful than I am.”

    LOO Touche Tex. And by Dodger logic these protesters cant be racist either

  148. Video: Carnahan attempts to explain “right-wing assault” comment
    posted at 9:56 am on August 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    After his town-hall meeting, Rep. Russ Carnahan (D-MO) decried the “assault” on his constituent meetings by right-wing activists. Jamie Allman, a St., Louis talk-show host, attended Carnahan’s press conference the next day and asked Carnahan to explain why the only people arrested for assault at his town-hall meeting were ObamaCare supporters — specifically, union thugs who assaulted opponents of the health-care reform plan. Suddenly, Carnahan got a lot more universal in his accusations:

    It “got out of control on both sides”? Did anyone from the opposition start cracking heads at that rally? They may have been loud and angry about the government essentially nationalizing 15% of the private economy, but until the unions began showing up to these rallies, there hadn’t been any violence at all. The real assaults came from Obama’s supporters in the unions, called into action by the administration when it saw its signature legislation being ripped on every television station in every city.

    Politicians like Carnahan want people to be quiet and politely allow them to pass bills without reading them that eliminates choice and competition in the marketplace. Maybe they should look for another line of work instead.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/08/video-carnahan-attempts-to-explain-right-wing-assault-comment/

  149. Video: The two faces of Obama
    posted at 7:59 pm on August 7, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    Alternate headline: “Nuance, the video.” Greg Hengler of Townhall stitched this together from the same speech this morning in which The One informed conservatives that talky time is over. As infuriating as that was, you’ll find it twice as infuriating in context. This clip really is exactly as advertised, showcasing both the myth of Obama that the media’s happily carried forth and the reality of what kind of politician he is when his agenda’s threatened. Amazing that with his approval rating slipping and anger getting hotter every day, he’d still feel confident enough to contradict himself this blatantly in the same speech. It’s practically a taunt.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/07/video-the-two-faces-of-obama/

    Thuggy the Divider and two faced jerk off

  150. Oh and showing Thuggy with a Hitler mustache makes one a Nazi?

    The point is you’ve got it backwards as to who is insulting whom. The protesters are calling Obama a Nazi … not the other way around.

  151. The point is you’ve got it backwards as to who is insulting whom. The protesters are calling Obama a Nazi … not the other way around.

    “R”, I admit only knowing of you for the better part of a year, but you’ll excuse me if I never noted you having any problems with the left calling George W. Bush Nazi, fascist, baby killer, murder, ChimpyMcHitler, warmonger, hatemonger, and thug.

    Is my memory failing me, or did you go to bat for George before I knew you? It would appear your double standards are staggering. Last night, you sounded like you flipped your lid. The calm, cool and collected Rutherford, normally my rational friend, sounded the better part of Al Sharpton – especially the moronic remark about how one defines racism. 😉

  152. “The point is you’ve got it backwards as to who is insulting whom. The protesters are calling Obama a Nazi … not the other way around.”

    And Pelosi called the protesters Nazis…your point race baiter?

  153. Tex,

    We are seeing Dodger for who he is. My guess is Thuggy’s dropping popularity and that the public doesnt want the government to control their health is making Dodger more unhinged. And isnt it interesting that he is making a blanket statement about the protesters when I am a “phobe” go judging islam and I have a lot more examples he is using with one protester with a poster of Thuggy as Hitler. But then he is a lib and libs are the biggest hyopcrits around.

    And you know full well he never went to bat for Bush when he was vilified by these leftist goons.

  154. And Pelosi called the protesters Nazis

    Pelosi said the protesters were carrying swastikas. She was right. And they weren’t doing it to represent themselves as Nazi’s. they were doing it to call Obama a Nazi.

    P.S. I moved the wording of your two faced Obama comment around a bit so the video would embed within the comment.

    Note to others: apparently if you want your YouTube video to appear within your comment, you cannot have any text after the video URL. The video URL must be the last thing in your comment.

  155. “Pelosi said the protesters were carrying swastikas. She was right. And they weren’t doing it to represent themselves as Nazi’s. they were doing it to call Obama a Nazi.”

    And how many were doing that? I know how you hate to make generalizations. And did she mention the context or just said they were carrying them to leave the impression. We know the truth, dont we?

  156. Elric, funny how you can read the mind of Nancy Pelosi but Cynthia Tucker can’t read the mind of a portion of white society. Where did you buy your crystal ball?

  157. “Elric, funny how you can read the mind of Nancy Pelosi but Cynthia Tucker can’t read the mind of a portion of white society. Where did you buy your crystal ball?”

    Pelosis said they were carrying swastikas, did she put it in context or jsut said they were carrying swastikas, yes or no Dodger.

    As for Tucker, whats were proof that the majority of the protesters are racist? And where is the outrage that the union goons are going in and assaulting the protesters? Where is your and Turker’s rage that one of the assaulted was a black conservative? Or doesnt the black community recognize black conservatives?

  158. Tex, I started the blog as the presidential campaign was getting underway and I spent more time dissing McCain than worrying about Bush. I will say (and you can do your research), I never called Bush a Nazi. I never said 911 was an inside job. Probably my harshest words were reserved for Cheney.

    Ok … minor concession after a few hours of well needed sleep. I heard (and quite liked) the racism=prejudice+power approach LONG before Obama was a blip on anyone’s radar screen. While I will not say that the election of Obama somehow wipes out racism, I will concede the balance of power has shifted. The most powerful man in the world is now a black man (bi-racial … ok Elric?). There’s no denying that.

    And man does that piss a lot of people off! (You knew I had to get that last comment in there, didn’t you? 😉 )

  159. Elric, 😆

    Another Congressman with the entitlement mentality, too arrogant to answer his constituency, which in the case of the Dr. is about 10,000 times more intelligent than the asshole representing them.

    More pitchforks are needed to run him out…

  160. Rutherford,

    Correct.

    The most powerful man in the world is now a black man (bi-racial … ok Elric?). There’s no denying that.

    So therefore, by your own definition, the Klan or any other white can’t be racist and all blacks are. See how that works? I kind of dig this new definition thingy.

  161. Tex,

    They pretty much all have that mentality. If ACORN doesnt stuff the ballot boxes everywhere, most of these jerk offs will be looking for new jobs in Jan 2011.

  162. Palin Rips ObamaCare: “Having to Stand in Front of Obama’s Death Panel is Downright Evil”…..

    Tingles has reportedly gone into cardiac arrest…

    Sarah Palin on Obamacare: “Such a System I Downright Evil” (GWP)

    The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/08/palin-rips-obamacare-having-to-stand-in-front-of-obamas-death-panel-is-downright-evil.html

    I just added this because I know Dodger has PDS baaaaddd.

  163. Two things … can someone explain to me how portraying Obama as the Joker in Batman has anything to do with socialism? (Tex, I’ve never met you and I’d wager you look a lot better than that. 😉 )

    Second, Elric …. David Scott got it wrong, plain and simple. The doctor asked a civil intelligent question and Scott, probably scared of another town hall disaster, took the wrong approach.

    Who said that everybody (Dem or Rep) in the Congress deserves to be there. Some are assh*les.

  164. The GOP is always first to throw around the Nazi terms and symbols when they want to protest. To me it just shows the party is way behind the times…full of mostly old people and conspiracy theorists. Kind of shows the weakness of a party when people get belligerent and start saying the health care plan will kill their baby. I mean seriously, it’s not that serious to the point where you should be carrying around a nazi sign with Obama’s name on it. These people are strung out on something.
    As far as white racist are concerned, I think many of those that are deeply involved in that culture aren’t really voters. I’m not talking about the typical racist that sit on their front porch looking like a creep, but the ones that are willing to march and dress like Nazi and so on. Those types from my understanding don’t like either party and either join a radical independent party or not vote at all.

  165. So does that mean white people cant be racist? Im using your race baiting logic.

    Let’s get something straight. Obama is President of a country largely run by white men. Like I said, racism is not over. And whites hold most of the power positions in this country, even if none of them is currently the President.

  166. Video: World’s worst TV interview
    posted at 11:25 am on August 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    Let’s say you’re a talk-show host and you get the one guy who precisely predicted the financial collapse a year before it happened. You want to talk to him about the health-care reform debate and the financial implications of the current legislation. Note also that the guest has been openly considering a run against an incumbent Senator. As an interviewer, what strategy would you choose?

    A. Ask him to detail in depth how he predicted the financial collapse and to provide parallels to what he sees in the health-care debate

    B. Acknowledge his success in predicted the 2008 collapse, but focus instead on the financial implications of health-care reform as a separate topic

    C. Research the topic thoroughly and debate him point-for-point on substantive matters within the bill

    D. Talk over him, don’t allow him to answer anything completely, offer juvenile demands to force the guest to give complicated answers in “30 seconds”, and berate him when he attempts to explain why that’s the entire problem with the health-care debate

    Most interviewers will choose either A, B, or C, and all three are legitimate ways to interview an expert guest. If you want D, you usually have to tune in to MS-NBC, where Lawrence O’Donnell filled in for Ed Schultz on The Ed Show and channeled his inner Wally George. O’Donnell interviewed Peter Schiff, the man who tried to warn everyone that the housing bubble would burst and create a catastrophe, only in the sense that Schiff was allowed to remain on camera during an almost-uninterrupted diatribe by O’Donnell:

    Why did O’Donnell act like a middle-school bully instead of a news interviewer? Apart from the fact that O’Donnell is a middle-school bully on air, Schiff wants to run against Chris Dodd for his Senate seat, and Schiff opposes ObamaCare. Instead of allowing Schiff to actually explain why, O’Donnell simply shouts over him and issues ridiculous time demands, and does just about everything short of sticking his fingers in his ears and yelling “NA-NA-NA-I-CAN’T-HEAR-YOU” when Schiff tries to explain his positions.

    You know, if MS-NBC was an actual news organization, someone there would be embarrassed.

    Mr. Schiff, if you want to appear on an Ed show that will allow you to talk, I’ll block out a half-hour for you any time at TEMS here at Hot Air.

  167. “Let’s get something straight. Obama is President of a country largely run by white men. Like I said, racism is not over. And whites hold most of the power positions in this country, even if none of them is currently the President.”

    No, Thuggy just appoints unaccountable czars, bypassing all those evil racist white men in Congress to run everything. And lets not forget, he had the black panther case dropped by his black Attorney General. So that was a nice futile attempt.

  168. “The GOP is always first to throw around the Nazi terms and symbols when they want to protest.”

    LOL I guess you must of missed those when you were marching with Code Pink, ANSWER, or any other leftist/socialist protest.

  169. Elric, the folks on MSNBC’s Morning Joe, don’t call Lawrence O’Donnell “Crazy Larry” for nothing. 🙂

    And puhleeze …. The Ed Show and the entire evening block on MSNBC is not news … it’s commentary. AND it’s not even commentary disguised as news.

    You telling me O’Reilly never shouted down a guest on his show?

    I say O’Donnell would have done better to do what Keith Olberman does. Keith never has a guest on the show who disagrees with him. 🙂

  170. Before I go I’d just like to state for future purposes that I do not like the code pink group and have never marched with a leftist group lol just not in my character…

  171. “Before I go I’d just like to state for future purposes that I do not like the code pink group and have never marched with a leftist group lol just not in my character…”

    Nahhhh you just ignore the years of comparing Bush to Hitler but then accuse the Right of doing it.

  172. The GOP is always first to throw around the Nazi terms and symbols when they want to protest. To me it just shows the party is way behind the times… 🙄

    There are two universes – the one the earth resides in, and the one that Sensico pops in and out of – I think it is called Purgatory. Sensico darling, have you had your head buried in the sand since 9/11?

  173. Oh, and “R”. Thank you for setting the record straight with Sensico there. I think that is why I like you – for all of your personal political maladies, at least you make some semblance of being honest.

    That’s a rare trait for a lib. Perhaps I can pull you over from the dark side yet (no pun intended or Michael Jackson references please).

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