The Cancer of Racism

There is nothing new about the racism as cancer metaphor and I could even be charged as being trite by even going there. There is a perspective on this metaphor that I don’t usually see and I wanted to examine that today.

My wife’s girlfriend is a cancer survivor, cancer free for 10 years. Her course of treatment included the usual combo of chemotherapy and radiation, the latter of which can really play games with your cellular biology and set you up for other cancers down the road. Recently, she found a bruise on her breast which she couldn’t trace back to any particular cause. She immediately thought the worst and got a mammogram and sonogram as soon as she could. The blood tests and “grams” laid her fears to rest. The bruise was simply, a bruise.

Cancer survivors, because of their history, no matter how healthy they might be today, live under the cloud of a potential recurrence. For the more paranoid of them, any irregularity sends off alarms.

And so it is with racism. The history of racism, not just in this country but around the world, raises doubts about the true nature of the conflicts we find ourselves in. The recent case of Henry Louis Gates Jr, a professor at Harvard brings this problem front and center. In a world without racism, this is the way the scenario would have played out:

Woman sees man trying to break into a house. With no racial bias whatsoever, she calls the police, never thinking that the man might be locked out of his own house. The police arrive to find the man inside the house and they begin to interrogate. Because this is a world without racism, the man completely understands why the way he entered his own house might have looked suspicious. He gladly offers the policeman proof of residency and then he and the policeman have a good chuckle about the misunderstanding.

Now let’s replay the same scenario in a world with racism:

White woman sees no reason why a black man should be trying to jimmy his way into a house in a predominantly white neighborhood so she calls the police. The policeman arrives on the scene and based on his experience with a large number of black criminals, he assumes the worst. The black man, having experienced discrimination in the past, assumes the worst of the policeman. His hackles go up at the very thought that his belonging in this neighborhood should even be questioned. He shows the policeman his identification but he does so with an attitude. He’s angry. Based on his experience, he should be. The policeman, who faces insolent thugs on a regular basis, has a visceral reaction to the black man’s anger. Before you know it, the black man is in cuffs on his way to the police station, not for breaking and entering but for “disturbing the peace”.

Look at the variables at play here. The woman who made the 911 call may or may not have been making a racially based assessment. Gates could have assumed the best of the police officer and had a chuckle with him. Let’s face it, anyone trying to break into a house looks suspicious. Had Gates reacted with a laugh, would he have wound up arrested? Had the police officer not had more than his share of run-ins with nasty perps (of any race) would he have been so prone to arrest Gates?

One commentator said that there was no way a man as famous as Gates could have been arrested without racial bias. Well for starters, Gates is only famous among intellectuals. The average joe has no idea who Henry Louis Gates is … hell, the average joe can’t name the Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates. The only thing we know for sure about this incident is that it was one big misunderstanding. Gates’ intent was misunderstood by the 911 caller. The policeman’s intent may have been misunderstood by Gates. Gates’ reaction may have been misunderstood by the police officer.  The true intent of all the participants was colored by this cloud of racism that hangs over our world.

That is the true sad consequence of racism. We never know from one  day to the next when a bruise is a malignant tumor or when a bruise is just a bruise.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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234 thoughts on “The Cancer of Racism

  1. Then we have a sitting President who called the police actions “stupid” without being there and knowing specific details. Another sign of latent racism, assuming that the police were white bullies lynching another black man.

    Actually, I would have been grateful to the neighbor for thinking enough of her neighbors to call the police. Which leads to another question – why would a neighbor not recognize someone from the neighborhood? Is the real problem that we have completely lost a sense of community? I’ve got a professional black neighbor around the block. Though I don’t know her well, I would certainly recognize her as I took her pooch back to her after it got out of the yard not long after she moved into the neighborhood. We had a pleasant conversation, shook hands with a greeting, and I wave when she drives by. What is different about my neighborhood than Gates’ neighborhood?

    Thought provoking commentary – another good one “R” with no simple answers but poignant questions.

  2. Putting aside your comments on Obama with which I simply don’t agree, the same question about sense of community crossed my mind.

    I kind of assumed that this was not a neighbor but simply someone driving down the street who jumped on her cell phone to report what she thought was a crime in progress. I’ll have to research the case some more to see who this woman actually was. If she was a neighbor than your point is dead on. While, as I said, there is no reason to assume Gates is universally known, he should at least be known within his own community.

    Glad you liked the post.

  3. Well written. I agree with your whole essay. It was objective and probably dead on .

    On one hand you show so much empathy. Yet, you strangely let Obama off the hook, only chuckling about his remark.

    Insert hearty laugh and then say to yourself “It’s no big deal to be called out by the President of the United States for being guilty in front of literally a half billion people world wide.”

    How would you like if the president called you out, without facts, over a sexual harassment allegation at the office? That would be unbelievable and you would be shitting your pants in disbelief.

    Try very hard to put your self in the cop’s shoes. You have already been publicly identified. You’re nervous about retribution to your family, losing friendships and possibly your job. You turn on the TV and see the President of United States
    calling you out????? Without facts?

    I thought you would know what it feels like to have deck stacked against you? Sometimes you are plain and simple shallow.

    That cop is a real person. Not some abstract idea of a white cop.

    Dude. What is it with you and Obama? It was obviously an off the cuff remark. I’m not saying to crucify Obama. But on prime time television? Dude, it was unprofessional as all hell. And politically stupid for reasons I already pointed out. Damn. I swear, your an Obama sycophant.

    You really think it’s no big deal to that guy?

  4. What I find weird is that you cringe at the thought of a cop prejudging a well respected gentlemen (probably over race), but have no problem with the president doing it to an “every day joe” (probably over race).

    That cop’s rights have been trampled much more then the professor’s. It’s simple. Analyze who is blindly wielding the most power. I’d say the President over a beat cop. I’d rather be racially profiled by a cop and thrown in county for a day then racially profiled by the President on live television!

  5. How not to win support from police unions; Update: Obama retreats; Update: Bill Cosby “shocked” by Obama’s remarks
    posted at 1:17 pm on July 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Police in Cambridge have reacted predictably to having the President call them stupid, as ABC reports today. Their union lashed out at Obama for commenting without having the facts on hand, and witnesses dispute Obama’s recounting of the event:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/23/how-not-to-win-support-from-police-unions/

    Enjoy DR 🙂

  6. Do it with a Reagen impersonation:

    “Tear down this wall… Well, I have one more thing to say. I don’t have the facts about the whole sexual harassment case in the front office at Charly’s Granola Factory in Allentown, Pennsylvania. No doubt, I’m biased. I’m friends with Anita. I’ll will tell you this, I know Rutherford was being real stupid in that break room, I assure you that. Real stupid.”

  7. Great link, Elric. I’m glad not the only one who saw the remark as embarrassingly unprofessional for the President of the United States. So bush league. It’s like he forgot he was the most powerful man in the world or something. It also brings to life a certain disassociation Rutherford has with the real world.

    Prediction: Obama will end up apologizing for the statement and admit it was rookie mistake. The question is, will Rutherford admit he didn’t give much thought to the matter?

  8. “Most of the media’s focus from last night’s press conference has been directed towards Barack Obama’s response to Lynn Sweet’s question about Henry Gates’ arrest” Elric, quoting someone else.

    That in itself should have Rutherford bitching. Lets pretend Rutherford can’t empathize with the common man being called out by the President. The very fact that the discussion is on whether or not Obama was out of line over remarks about some college town beat cop is utterly laughable. Politically, Obama failed and failed big time with yesterday’s whatever it was.

  9. anytime DR.

    Funny how everyone is talking about his disrespect for the police instead of his miserable performance.

    As for Thuggy apologizing. He wont. He will say something like an apology without it being an apology.

  10. It’s mind bogglingly ironic that at a press conference over such an important macro-economic policy Obama weighed in on such a micro matter: a fricking small town dispute.

    I’m embarrassed.

  11. In reading through about Gates, it would appear to me that he’s a breed of race pimp. African-American studies, Afro-American studies, etc….any time I read of these qualifications, the radar immediately goes up as black racist, black separatist.

    Sorry “R”, I’m just guessing that Gates a bit of a trouble maker, a bit of a race whore, a man that apparently has spent his entire adult life focusing on nothing but race, and made a nice living at it, and happened to get uppity with a cop, who according to witnesses Gates got belligerent and called the cop “motherf……”.

    Sounds to me like Obama committed a “stupid” action in defending Gates without knowing the facts. But then, that is status quo in the first six months of his Presidency.

  12. Had Obama called the cop a racist, I’d be completely on board with you guys. But c’mon! Is arresting a man who was wrongly accused of breaking into a home … HIS OWN HOME, not the stupidest thing this cop could have done? When you can find an eyewitness account that Gates physically assaulted the cop, I will say in bold print that Rutherford was wrong. But you ain’t gonna find that. And sorry, it is not illegal in this country to call a cop a MF. It’s not wise to call a cop a MF, cos a cop holds quite a lot of power over you. Best to pay cops the most respect you can muster. But it’s not illegal.

    And you know what? If Obama knew that Gates called the cop a MF, he should have said, “I love my friend Skip but it sure is stupid to call a cop a MF. Just as stupid as the cop arresting him for it.”

    I will grant y’all this much. Obama’s answer did insert him into local poltiics. But unfortunately another by product of racism in this country is that Obama is expected to opine on anything black. Clinton would never have been asked back in the 90’s to opine on a couple of Arkansas hicks beating each others brains out. But Obama is a black man so surely he must have an opinion on anything to do with the black community. Frankly, I feel for him. He’s damned if he does and damned if he don’t. You know how pissed the Afro-American community would be if Obama had let his friend dangle in the wind? And don’t forget … Lynn Sweet started the whole damn thing to sell newspapers.

    Did you hear any statement about this in Obama’s opening remarks? Oh I forgot, you guys didn’t watch the damn news conference.

  13. Believe it or not, I found Obama for the most part underwhelming last night. Problem is he is selling the car before the steering wheel and tires have been put on it. If he’s guilty of anything, it’s premature ejaculation.

    P.S. Sorry to use the car metaphor …. no reference to the gov’t owning GM intended. 🙂

  14. I thought this story was dead except in the local arena but lo and behold O opens his mouth. More on that in a second.

    Gates clearly overreacted and helped escalate the situation. He is also guilty of not letting it go,but then again that’s probably to be expected. Regardless of his color he exemplifies the elitist attitude experienced every day by every day folks. Be it a cop or a clerk or the garbage man the academic elite look down on these lesser people daily. I’ve experienced it myself. It is also something that is apparent in the mannerisms of the POTUS and came to the forefront with his uninformed babbling on behalf of his friend.
    Here in lies the point ALL Americans need to keep their eyes and ears atune too. AG Holder is a great proponent of following up piss poor race based incidents with the full vigor of his office.Just ask LAPD and the taxpayers there. Cambridge PD is probably the most highly trained in the PC kumbyya policies in all of Mass. I sadly expect more lip service and wasted taxpayers funds to address this latest scandal.

    R I like your post.Very fair and clear headed in it’s logic. Good for you not getting judgmental,that is to a fault though.

  15. it would appear to me that he’s a breed of race pimp.

    I don’t know enough about Gates to agree or disagree with you on this Tex but that is EXACTLY what my post was about. When you are overly paranoid based on past experience, every “bruise” looks like a “tumor”. My point exactly.

  16. Cambridge PD is probably the most highly trained in the PC kumbyya policies in all of Mass

    First, Alfie, thank you for the compliment.

    Now to your statement: know why the CPD is so highly trained? Because the Boston area has a well documented history of racism and as far as I know is to this day a highly segregated environment. Now, I would expect that a neighborhood literally in Harvard’s back yard would be more cosmopolitan. That’s one reason why the incident is so puzzling.

  17. Oh yeah. No matter how you cut it up. It was stupid. Even if we knew the police officer was in wrong, I would argue Obama would have been best advised to stay out of the specifics of the case.

    You know you dropped the ball when you dramatically go prime time to convince a resisting American population to buy into your healthcare plan and the next day the a local police union releases an official response condemning you. The truth is stranger then fiction sometimes. It’s almost as wild as the canned hams. Just can’t make this shit up.

    The back tracking by Gibbs today is thin enough a child could see through it too.

    I still predict an apology.

  18. “But Obama is a black man so surely he must have an opinion on anything to do with the black community.”

    Well, perhaps you are right on that but in this case, the Professor was his friend.

    And it is against the law to verbally assault a cop. Hence, disturbing the peace. He didn’t get arrested for breaking into his own home, so I’m not sure what your getting at.

    Hell, I’m perfectly fine with trusting your interpretation of the facts. This doesn’t excuse the trampling of his rights by the President of America.

    I tried to get you to walk in the cop’s shoes. i tried to see if you could place yourself in the situation. No dice.

    You are a detached man.

    The magnetism of Obama was too strong.

    I would bet deep down, your a little embarrassed, Rutherford. Can’t prove it, but you’re too smart not to see what a fool Obama made himself look like last night.

  19. “If he’s guilty of anything, it’s premature ejaculation. ”

    I knew I shared common ground with the President….now i know how.

  20. Good post Alfie – we have purposely had to dumb our society down to accommodate the race pimps, because for whatever reason, the highest form of shame (unless you are black) is to be called a racist for any reason. Not me though, because I know the charges are bogus and I laugh at people who would call me one.

    Whether it be to ignore the obvious fact that blacks commit a disproportionate share of violent crime, or to pretend that 27 year old Arabs wailing “Allahu Akbar” at the airport are no more a threat of blowing up a plane than your 82 year old grandmother, we have pretend that everybody is equal in possible guilt and conviction of possible evil. Completely stupid and weakens us as a country – I actually do sympathize with the cops in this regard.

    The one thing that does sadden me is that someone like Rutherford, I’m sure in virtually every way as decent and honest as I am, every bit as educated, and probably less of a threat to society, nonetheless as a black man does have a suspicion raised about him in many neighborhoods that I wouldn’t, simply on account that he is black.

    That too is a human weakness…I suppose it is simply human nature and frailty that we associate with the broad brush.

    One thing I have learned as I’ve gotten older – every race, color and creed has its saints and its sinners. That even carries to religion to a lessor degree.

  21. R I thought you went to Hahvahd?!?
    Cambridge is a city with a number of citties within it. Harvard and MIT holds much sway with the day to day. In fact the university police have the power to police the areas around the schools. Police being the key word here. They are NOT security guards. Hell Harvard PD even has Chapter 90 (road laws) powers in the city.
    Cambridge is well known for being a stereotypical liberal bastion. The Cambridge City Council routinely puts forth much comic relief in the form of some of their resolutions. I always liked the no nukes bit back in the day. Funny since MIT has a functioning reactor and god knows what else.
    Cambridge has held on to more than a scrap of it’s blue collar and underclass elements. This element frequently clashes with the two big unis in one form or another.On the flip side the academia leftist types speak from inside the Ivy of working wages etc. in a fashion so bogus it makes me want to puke.
    Cambridge is not Boston. Boston is indeed still very segregated even whilst it celebrates it’s alleged diversity and sees it’s “Mayor of the neighborhoods” pursue yet another term.
    Pretty bold or perhaps bullshit statement coming from a white guy and all but I think Gates is the type of person that makes the likes of King,DuBois and Washington weep a bit.

  22. Obama is constantly showing he is an amature.

    It was bad enough when the most powerful man on the face of the planet was calling out a radio talk-show host because he said “I hope he fails.”

    Now he has to crap on a cop who busted one of Obama’s pals for being a shit-talking asshat while the cop was trying to do his job.

    Part of the problem with the cancer of racism is that other “diseases” are constanly being misdiagnosed as racism. This habit of crying wolf takes attention away from the real issues of race that actually do exist.

    “Is arresting a man who was wrongly accused of breaking into a home … HIS OWN HOME, not the stupidest thing this cop could have done?”

    That isn’t what the guy was arrested for, or charged with. And the charges have already even been dropped. Please learn from your Dear Leader’s mistake and get the facts before you render judgement.

    “But unfortunately another by product of racism in this country is that Obama is expected to opine on anything black”

    Oh. Bull. Crap.

    He could have easily said, “You know what. I have heard about this, but I don’t have all of the facts, so I cannot comment.”

    Or he could have said, “You know what. I have heard about this, but that is not what I have brought you all here to talk about tonight, so I will not comment.”

    He could have even said, “You know what. I have heard about this, but I have some waffles waiting for me, and I really want them. Can’t I just eat my waffles?”

    He could have said any number of things to keep from answering that question. Instead he chose to open mouth and insert foot.

  23. Now I’m going to catch heat for this but here it goes:

    OK, I am now going to stand in the cop’s shoes (damn my feet hurt): “Wow, how stupid could I be to let a guy get me so irked that I arrested him and then to make matters worse, I let a black professor irk me into arresting him when we’ve got a black man in the White House? I couldn’t have been a bigger fool. Well, at least I got my fifteen seconds of fame during an Obama presser.”

    Having a black President may not end racial profiling or bigotry but it sure does make it hit the front page a lot faster. You might not think it is fair but a brotha in the White House is a wake-up call to even the most laid back bigots to get their s*it together. It’s a new day boys, and that dog don’t bark no more. (Even sadly, when the dog isn’t barking in the first place as may be the case with this cop.)

  24. In fact, as I read the transcripts, he said he would take 1 more question, and did so. Then this question came after that.

    He could have walked away from the podium after that “last question.” Instead, the president of the United States decided to return to local politics.

  25. Alfie Cambridge may not be Boston now but the stench of past racism no doubt hovers in the air in certain neighborhoods of Cambridge also. Still as I said, I do find it puzzling that a reasonably affluent neighborhood in Harvard’s back yard would be a hostile place for a black professor to live in. That’s why I think the 911 caller was a drive-by alarmist.

  26. In fact, as I read the transcripts, he said he would take 1 more question, and did so. Then this question came after that.

    You read the transcript incorrectly. They said there would be one more question and Lynn Sweet was called on but then it was realized that Obama actually called on the wrong person before Lynn Sweet, so the guy whose turn it actually was, got to ask his question … and then Lynn Sweet asked hers.

    Again, the problem with you guys barking about a press conference you didn’t bother to watch. To some extent, you simply don’t know what you’re talking about.

  27. He could have even said, “You know what. I have heard about this, but I have some waffles waiting for me, and I really want them. Can’t I just eat my waffles?”

    ROTFLMAO … that was good. Hey and at least you didn’t say watermelon. 😉

  28. Red Pill I did not say he got arrested for breaking into his own home. What I am saying is that short of a physical assault, the cop should have let the thing go. Why is it that we must stand in the cop’s shoes and not expect the cop to stand in Gates’ shoes? Is this cop, who deals with people on a daily basis, so shallow that he didn’t get a clue why Gates was outraged? I wish we had a transcript of what actually happened because if this cop told Gates, “I am so sorry for the misunderstanding Mr. Gates” and then Gates called him a mofo, we’d have a very different story to deal with.

    But Red Pill, I do like the way you extended my metaphor and talked about misdiagnosis. On that you are right on the money. In fact, in my haste to publish the piece I neglected to point out that unlike cancer, racism cannot always be precisely diagnosed.

    I do find it funny how you guys have turned a social commentary piece about racism into a political piece about Barack Obama. If I’m not mistaken, if you hit CNTL-F in your browser and search on Obama, you’ll only find it in the comments section. 😉

  29. Yeah. Look out. Black President. That’s right. Rutherford don’t give a fuck about the white man. That cop don’t mean shit and he probably lovin’ his 15 minutes. Thats right. Trample that pig’s punk ass and his rights.

    And yeah, the day of the racist is over. It’s not like a black President who calls out the mothafucken ” po-po” 4 fucken wit’ his homeboy” on prime time television is fodder for racists or anything.

    Hows that health care package going?

    Blue collar whites are laughing, not learning some deep lesson on racial profiling. They see another politically correct which hunt knock down a guy trying to make a honest living.

    Obama spends political clout faster then our money!

    Don’t be mad at the Rabbit, I’m just the messenger.

  30. “I do find it funny how you guys have turned a social commentary piece about racism into a political piece about Barack Obama.”

    Uh….you said you watched the press conference?

  31. “Having a black President may not end racial profiling or bigotry but it sure does make it hit the front page a lot faster.”

    He isnt black, he his biracial. Isnt thuggy and his drones being bigoted by denying his white heritage. The white heritage that raised him when his black heritage abandoned him as a child.

  32. “P.S. Sorry to use the car metaphor …. no reference to the gov’t owning GM intended. :-)”

    Why the hell are you smiling? Its fascists and marxists that take over businesses. Oh wait…..you like that.

  33. Nuance: Cop who arrested Gates is an expert on … racial profiling
    posted at 4:03 pm on July 23, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    The perfect crime, my friends. If you were a racist eager to harass prominent black intellectuals, what better cover story could there be than teaching tolerance to new recruits for years on end? Besides giving Reggie Lewis CPR in a desperate bid to save his life, I mean.

    Clearly we’re dealing with a criminal genius of unusual cunning here.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/23/nuance-cop-who-arrested-gates-is-an-expert-on-racial-profiling/

    Just gets better and better……

  34. Starting to sound more and more like a case of hatin’ whitey.

    This goober Gates continues in his defense to talk in the politically correct, racially charged “people of color” horse dung. Makes him sound ignorant as hell.

    Sounds like President the Rev. Al Obama is tacitly playing a little racial hustling himself – I knew Rev. Obama would begin to resort to these sorts of tatics when faced when tanking poll numbers.

    What’s the old cliche? You can take the President out of the hood, but you can’t take the hood out of the President? 😆

  35. Tex,

    It all goes back to thuggy sitting in the pews for 20 years listening to Rev. “I hate Jews” Wright. You cant attend for 20 years and not be scarred. I hope his girls werent damaged like he was.

  36. Damn,

    I came back and read that last post and saw several typos. Embarrassing – probably God telling me to quit typing.

    TACTICS…(of Rev. Al Obama)

    Ever since I switched back to a tiny little notebook, my posts and typing have gone to hell in a hand basket.

  37. Elric,

    Of all the things that shocked and disappointed me during the last election, it was the big American yawn of a response to Obama’s affiliation of 20 years with a blatant Jew hater – it doesn’t get worse than Jeremiah (both racist and sham). Not only is Wright a race baiter, but a charlatan building his mansion on the backs of poor, mostly black people and located in of all places white suburbia. Wright may be the biggest hypocrite and liar I’ve witnessed in my lifetime.

    It is absolutely amazing to me the double standards that are held in this country if you can somehow refer to yourself in some capacity as “minority” status. But I feel the winds of blowback are starting to seep in. There’s a few of my friends that have had it with white males being blamed for America’s ills – and we do have the ability to create mass chaos if the need were to arise. And I do mean immediately. Welcome to the world of the NRA.

    The feelings of rebellion across America are palpable, and anyone that disagrees is a fool.

  38. Tex,

    And that was just one of his radical associations. Its so obvious why his policies especially foreign policy is so radical and anti American. You really are judged by the company you keep. And now this Gates guy. First thing he says is “This is how a black American man is treated”. Race baiting from the start.

  39. I agree wholeheartedly. There is a feeling of rebellion and it stirs in the Rabbit. I never thought things could get this bad.

    I can deal with losing elections. I can bitch, but ultimately live with stimulus bills. I will hate, but have to deal with socialized medicine.

    But I draw the line on two issues

    1. Funding medical care for illegal aliens.
    2. Funding abortions

    They pull this and the Rabbit will be flying a Don’t Tread On Me Flag from a very high staff.

  40. “I knew Rev. Obama would begin to resort to these sorts of tatics when faced when tanking poll numbers”

    Do you mean that this will help him in the polls?.

  41. DR,

    I knew it would be this bad. I didnt think Thuggy and his comrades would push all this crap at once. I am glad he is though. If he was more patient, he would have had an easier time. But he is arrogant so he thought he could implement his “Lets Screw America” all at once. But Thuggy never heard of or cared to remember “Frog in a Pot”

  42. He isnt black, he his biracial.

    LOL of all times for you to pull out that worn out argument. I assure you, had the do-gooder seen Barack trying to break into his own house, she wouldn’t have said, “oh he’s a Mulatto, nothing to worry about”. She would have called the police on his ass too.

  43. Elric regarding the cop’s status as an instructor on racial profiling, you’re right, the story does just get better and better. The story makes less and less sense. Why wouldn’t this guy be better able to diffuse the situation? Maybe he was better at teaching than at doing? I’m just sayin’.

  44. DR, thanks for pointing us to the police report. After reading it, I’m not convinced that Crowley couldn’t have just written Gates off as a crazy old coot and left the scene. Considering Gates needed a cane to be steady on his feet, he was hardly a physical threat. According to the report, did Gates behave badly? Sure he did. Was this the first time he was mistaken for a criminal? Probably not.

    What’s more disturbing is the report that it was a neighbor who called this in. How could she not have recognized Gates? Something really weird going on there.

  45. The feelings of rebellion across America are palpable, and anyone that disagrees is a fool.

    On this, Tex, I do agree somewhat, It’s why I caution extremists on either side to choose their words wisely. We don’t need anyone lighting a match to the powder keg.

  46. Rabbit,

    I didn’t mean to insinuate that Obama was doing this to poll. I think Obama may portray himself as the cool customer, but underneath the mask he’s a vindictive SOB that’s starting to smoke.

    I actually believe that the country now so polarized, that if you liked Obama, you’ll never find anything he can do wrong (i.e., Rutherford).

    If you disdain Obama like I do, he’s going to have to perform like Superman to make an impression. Right now, I think Obama is steaming under the collar. This is probably the first time he’s heard criticism to any degree in his life and I’m anxious to witness how he deals with it. We know those around him are hot heads (Rahm Emanuel – a true asshole).

    I’m going to love it if he implodes like I think he’s going to. Somewhere, he’ll lose it and well see Jeremiah Jr. sneak out.

  47. After hearing lots of analysis today of Obama’s “stupidity” remark, I want to amend my defense of him slightly.

    One of the reasons I identify with Obama is that he, like I, likes to hear himself talk. He’s been told he has a silver tongue and I think he relishes it. There are times when a three word answer can suffice but Obama likes to wax eloquent. His instincts in answering Sweet’s question were initially right. He said he didn’t know everything about the case and he was biased toward his friend. Unfortunately, I think he may have thought it was another “teaching moment” and it’s gotten him into slightly hot water.

    I still maintain that stupid is hardly the worst thing Obama could have called Crowley but I will also agree that the Crowley Gates confrontation was a real mess that Obama didn’t need to dirty his hands with regardless of whether or not he was asked the question.

    P.S. On TV this evening Lynn Sweet shared her reaction to how Obama answered her question. She said it surprised her that such a savvy pol would use the word stupid. She also said she had received criticism for asking the question in the first place. Yeah, ya think?

  48. Rutherford: I’m listening to this week’s show. Damn I wish I could stream it. I would have called in this comment.

    I couldn’t help but notice you want people you find unintelligent to be denied the right to vote. So I will ask you, how would we decide that? Perhaps some kind of test?

  49. “Why wouldn’t this guy be better able to diffuse the situation? Maybe he was better at teaching than at doing? I’m just sayin’.”

    Yes Dodger, he should have been able to control his race card attitude better

    “I think he may have thought it was another “teaching moment” and it’s gotten him into slightly hot water.”

    LOL Yeah Dodger, he is soooooo smart he needs to teach us stupid Americans every chance he gets. Maybe he could teach us how to speak Austrian.

  50. There we go, it took 12 hours of comments here and probably a few “TV” experts to massage R’s brain….but he finally conceded how idiotic it was for Obama to get mixed up in a small town affair, without the facts.

    Note: He never could identify with the cop.

    As for the facts of the case, I personally don’t care what happened. I read the report. The Professor was being a total asshole. He was arrested for being an asshole, maybe illegally. But I could be wrong. This issue is so trivial to the Rabbit he isn’t going to talk about it much. I will trustingly leave this incident in the hands of either the Dean of Students, Campus Security or the President of United States.

  51. I couldn’t help but notice you want people you find unintelligent to be denied the right to vote. So I will ask you, how would we decide that? Perhaps some kind of test?

    Red Pill, unfortunately a literacy test would not have weeded out that Delaware imbecile who “wants her country back”. Sadly, preventing those from voting whom I dislike carries with it preventing those from voting whom I like, hence the entire idea must be thrown out the window.

    The idiocy of that woman, and the hate that lies at her very core, enrage me to the degree that I have to fast-forward the Tivo when she comes on so I don’t put my fist through the screen.

    By the way, my show page does have a comments section so if after you’ve listened to my pod cast, you want to unload a bit, you can do so at the blogtalkradio site as well as here.

    Side note: I’d have to say the radio show is “Extreme Rutherford”. It’s very stream of consciousness and not as well thought out as my posts here. A good example is the Gates case. On the radio show, I more or less jumped on the racial bandwagon. After more thought, I wrote a more reasoned blog article.

  52. CAMBRIDGE, Mass. – Supporters say the white policeman who arrested renowned black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. in his home is a principled police officer and family man who is being unfairly described as racist.

    Friends and fellow officers — black and white — say Sgt. James Crowley, who was hand-picked by a black police commissioner to teach recruits about avoiding racial profiling, is calm and reliable.

    “If people are looking for a guy who’s abusive or arrogant, they got the wrong guy,” said Andy Meyer of Natick, Mass., who has vacationed with Crowley, coached youth sports with him and is his teammate on a men’s softball team. “This is not a racist, rogue cop.”

    Gates accused the 11-year department veteran of being an unyielding, race-baiting authoritarian after Crowley arrested and charged him with disorderly conduct last week.

    Crowley confronted Gates in his home after a woman passing by summoned police for a possible burglary. The sergeant said he arrested Gates after the scholar repeatedly accused him of racism and made derogatory remarks about his mother, allegations the professor challenges. Gates has labeled Crowley a “rogue cop,” demanded an apology and said he may sue the police department.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/07/shocker-gates-acted-like-an-elitist-asshole-when-confronted-by-cambridge-police.html

    Sounds like a real jerk off. No wonder Thuggy leaped to his defense…….without the facts. A race baiter just like Thuggy’s mentor Rev Wright.

  53. God forbid someone want their country back….How evil, hateful and stupid.

    That dumb-ass hasn’t lost her country. She’s sufficiently idiotic that I doubt she can find her own ass to wipe after she takes a crap.

  54. “Well at least he isn’t planning on suing the President for calling him stupid.”

    Thuggy is looking bad enough over it, no need to rub salt into the wound. 🙂

  55. “That dumb-ass hasn’t lost her country. She’s sufficiently idiotic that I doubt she can find her own ass to wipe after she takes a crap.”

    Wow, how very snobbish and elitist of you. Our nation is being socialized as we speak, so yes we are losing it. You may like it, but those who love freedom, dont.

  56. Regarding the Rush Limbaugh video: While I consider Rush the very definition of a horse’s ass, I can’t find too much fault with his statement here. Six months after his inauguration, the MSM does need to get over the novelty of having a black president and really hammer him when needed. However, in defense of the MSM, Chuck Todd of MSNBC and Jay Tapper (I think ABC but I’m not sure) ask tougher questions.

  57. Tapper is about the only one that never drank the Thuggy kool aid.

    “the MSM does need to get over the novelty of having a black president”

    He is biracial

  58. “If that woman defines the norm, then it does not take very much to be among the elite.”

    That she doesnt want her nation socialized? Yeah thats normal.

  59. Didn’t take long for the Prophet Obama to drop to unsatisfactory levels. 😆 I’ve got to admit a sense of smug satisfaction that this red farce is being exposed so quickly. Wait until the unemployment numbers escalate and we’ll see how far that teleprompter and empty rhetoric can take Obama.

    “R” – at some time, I’m willing to make a bet right here that Obama will implode for all to see. However, like many words used in the vernacular, we all have our own definition, so let me quit being humorous and be very specific.

    By “implode”, I mean that the Jeremiah Wright sermon will come flowing from Obama’s mouth without the antics. Obama has already hinted to the capability on this subject thread, but for the most part Obama is still being treated with kid gloves, and still playing President Cool. He’s used to being spoiled and pampered by the national press. The heat has not even been turned up yet – and you know the maggots in the press will jump ship when your President’s popularity begins to wane. It’s a given.

  60. He is biracial

    LOL … I swear Elric I’m beginning to think you’re a bot. I do want to meet the dude who coded you because it’s a pretty sophisticated algorithm. Ehhhhh, I take that back. Your replies are way too predictable. Any run of the mill bot could do that. 🙂

  61. Obama’s Predicted Legacy (by Tex)

    (1) Dismal economy
    (2) Talk of Jimmy Carter effectiveness
    (3) Record deficits, followed by a collapse of Medicare and Medicaid
    (4) Weakened military setting country up for another 9/11.
    (5) Polarized country (what happened to President Transition)?

    Finally, the coup de grâce – will set race relations between blacks, whites, and browns back at least 100 years after Obama’s failures are attributed to his unfair treatment from Conservative whites.

    After a brief time (say 20 years), the lib media will try to revive Obama as a transitional President who was somewhat effective.

    Jimmy Carter Redux…

  62. “LOL … I swear Elric I’m beginning to think you’re a bot. ”

    Its pretty easy to figure out. You refer to Thuggy as a black president, I’ll refute your lie

  63. Elric,

    If there is one thing I am absolutely sure of, it is that Obama believes he is a God on earth. There is no way in hell that he would ever resign because he believes in his heart of hearts that he was ordained to be a king from the time he was born.

    The man’s arrogance and narcissism are off the charts.

  64. Tex,

    I know that Tex. Im just wondering if he is so narcissistic that he cant handle the humiliation and resign. Especially if the Republicans regain the house and Senate.

  65. An additional prediction – though Obama in no position to cry racism, Tex predicts that his loud-mouthed wife who has effectively been muzzled so far, will explode in a fit of rage about “latent white racism” and the unfair treatment of an “African-American” President. What you heard from Gates will one day also come pouring out of Michelle’s big mouth. It’s in her genes…

    Rutherford will never admit to this, but being I do find him pretty fair when it comes to race, he knows what I speak of from the east coast race pimping intellects and their private institutions. You see it at Harvard, you see it at Columbia, you see it at Duke.

    😉

  66. I hope some of my right wing friends are acknowledging the importance of unions in the wake of both Obama’s irresponsible involvement in the incident and the prejudicial response from people like Rutherford

    When the President or even Rutherford thinks your reputation is meaningless and that your work should be ignorantly evaluated without fact on live TV by the President, thank God for the Union.

    The highly charged emotional and political environment found in law enforcement and education dictates a need for unions for exactly these kind of incidents and the bully tactics that exist amongst America’s powerful along with their mindless minions.

  67. Video: Obama blames the media for making a big deal about Gates comment
    posted at 12:15 pm on July 24, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Well, that’s what happens when a President puts his foot in his mouth at the prime-time press conference he himself demanded. Fox News reporter Mike Emanuel tells Megyn Kelly that the new word out from Robert Gibbs is that Barack Obama is mystified about why the media would consider it a big deal when he accuses a local police department of acting “stupidly” in a case where he admitted he didn’t have all the facts. In other words, Obama is blaming the media for covering his remarks, even though they were televised live to over 28 million people (via Patrick Hynes):

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/24/video-obama-blames-the-media-for-making-a-big-deal-about-gates-comment/

    Jesus, does this guy ever take responsibility for anything he does wrong?

  68. Rabbit,

    I acknowledge the needs for unions as they were originally intended – to provide collective bargaining and protection for the “little people”.

    But even you would have to admit that the original intent vis-a-vis what many unions have become is contradictory. For instance, to not admit that the UAW is both inept and corrupt is ignore the fact that they share a large part of the blame for the problems residing in your local.

    Myself, I would as soon work for a non union shop anytime. However, in the Gates sense, I am glad there are unions providing the good will and protection of the officer. There is now little doubt that he is the real victim in the event, and without the unions, people like Obama and Gates would have run roughshod over the rights of the officer without the union help.

  69. “Jesus, does this guy ever take responsibility for anything he does wrong?”-Elric

    He will. He’s going to have to. The Union is demanding an apology. The Union is also looking forward to the release of the tapes, which are going to make Gates look like an out of control asshole. The media is going to play these things non stop, making the country distrust Obama every time they hear it.

    This wasn’t racial profiling by police because they were doing nothing but responding to a 911 B-and-E call. So, even the sweeping generalization Obama made doesn’t makes sense in this case.

    This was a MAJOR gaff. Obama’s friend was drunk with power. Then Obama took a little swig himself.

    The sad thing is, this does nothing to help stop racial profiling. Nothing.

  70. Yeah,the corruption of the UAW was sad and no doubt a part of the implosion.

    I guess in this matter, I’m pointing out the importance of a local union in two arenas: law enforcement and education.

    When I worked in Virginia, a “right to work state”, the conditions were deplorable in terms of safety. I have no doubt that had we been allowed to unionize, these issues would have been resolved. Regrettably, the upshot was a 65 year old, obese, back lady, my partner for 3 hours of the day, almost getting beat to death. After the incident, she was harassed and intimidated by administration. It some how became her fault. (She was posted in an area far away from security with a dangerous group. We had complained about this many times). Thus, the most popular person at the prison, someone who went by the name of “Grandma” by all, never returned to work.

    Our experiences are different on the worth of Unions.

    You at least concede that unions have some value in today’s world. I have met conservatives with such a disdain for Unions that hey want them abolished outright everywhere.

  71. “The media is going to play these things non stop, making the country distrust Obama every time they hear it.”

    I hope so but I doubt outside of Fox News will do it.

    “The sad thing is, this does nothing to help stop racial profiling. Nothing.”

    It wasnt meant to. It was meant to keep racial strife alive.

  72. Got to give a sick kudos for the calculated wording…i mean..talk about a 100% thought out, hand crafted answer that goes all the way to the brink of apologizing with out apologizing.

    That might do it. Sounds like he called the cop up and kissed his ass, too.

    I’m thinking the Union will accept this answer and Obama will drop 5% in the polls. Story is done.

  73. Let us all remember one simple fact. If Gates had simply presented his driver’s license or proof of home ownership, none of this would have ever happened. There is no excuse of proceeding to be a bully because the officer happened to be white. Gates has now been exposed as a race baiter and Harvard should be ashamed to be affiliated with his ilk.

    Instead, what you witnessed was a successful black man, who for whatever reason has a chip on his shoulder about white America, and has made his livelihood by peddling black racism, or black apartheid if you will, is now the cause of this whole mess.

    Gates is a punk, acted like a punk, and deserves to be treated like a punk. If anything good comes of this, I hope that the long overdue discussion of the double standards that now exist in America are addressed.

    And we should begin by canning the use of “African” American. I find it offensive, racist in its own right, and stupid. If you insist being identified by color, then call yourself a black American period.

    “R”, I hope you don’t take this wrong. I simply insist in all people being treated equal. And Gates doesn’t want to be treated equally. He wants to caricature himself as some “victim” of profiling – and it is complete bullshit as attested to by his position in society.

  74. Waxman threatens to bypass own committee on ObamaCare
    posted at 2:55 pm on July 24, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Henry Waxman had to pull a lot of strings to get the chair of the Energy and Commerce Committee in the House, kicking longtime chair John Dingell out for his moderate stance on cap-and-trade. However, his most controversial action in the ECC hasn’t come on cap-and-trade but on Barack Obama’s push to get a health-care reform bill passed before the August recess. Waxman has threatened renegade Democrats on the panel that he will allow Pelosi to bypass them if they don’t fall into line:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/24/waxman-threatens-to-bypass-own-committee-on-obamacare/

    Thuggary. Fascism

  75. Obama’s friend was drunk with power.

    Hey dude, I think you’re the one who has been hitting the sauce. Middle aged man (forget race) with a cane is in a dispute with an armed, uniformed individual who has the POWER to throw his ass in jail. Gates was drunk with outrage. Don’t get me wrong. Anyone who trash-talks a cop is a walking fool. But please don’t lose sight of the balance of power in that confrontation.

    There is now little doubt that he is the real victim in the event,

    Damn Tex, why did you have to say that before I could grab my Kleenex. I just can’t stop the tears from flowing.

    Let’s try to put this in language we can all understand.

    Rabbit comes home from a long day of roofing. He looks dirty, sweaty and nasty. He has trouble getting into his house so he bangs his shoulder against the door a few times. Gladys Kravitz, used to seeing Rabbit in his usual school teacher shirt and tie screams “Abner!!! Someone is breaking into the Rabbit house!” Abner tells Gladys to leave him the hell alone and call the cops if she’s so worried about it.

    Cops show up at Rabbit’s house. He’s tired, sore and a little pissy. Cop gets on Rabbit’s nerves and Rabbit falls back to his usual vocabulary of four letter words. Cop thinks, “ok, I can just let this go, I mean heck, the guy does live here or I can show this ass*ole who’s boss.” Rabbit, cotton tail and all, ends up in cuffs on his way to the pokie.

    My take? Both Rabbit and the cop acted like buttheads. They both deserve each other and it doesn’t belong on the CBS Evening News.

    If we take race out of this, both Gates and Crowley got into a who has the bigger dick contest. Stupid macho swagger and neither one deserves a whole lot of sympathy.

  76. I hope so but I doubt outside of Fox News will do it.

    It’s easy to criticize the MSM when you don’t watch it. Jeremiah Wright was played non-stop on the MSM. Puhleeze, give me a break. If tapes between Crowley and Gates are ever released, we won’t hear the end of it. The media thrives on this stuff.

  77. 1. Rabbit has mouthed off to cops before. You know what happened? Rabbit spent a day in county. Thankfully, I didn’t get a disturbing the peace. I got an assault and battery which was later dropped by the “victim’ (embarrassingly, my own brother).
    Rabbit has been slammed against brick walls and got his ass kicked from shore patrol too.

    2. The cop is showing up in the middle of what he can only assume is a robbery in progress. A cop doesn’t not have the safety nets to let little privileged professors throw tantrums.

    3. Within 20 seconds, Professor Asshole wielded his power, his position in society. Read the transcripts.

    4.The funniest thing about this whole thing? Gates telling the cops it is impossible to secure the door because of a break in a couple weeks ago.

  78. Let’s try and put this in language Rutherford can understand.

    Rutherford comes home from a long day at work and discoveres he forgot his keys. He attempts to break into his own home, and a witness calls the cops. The cops arrive and Rutherford, not wanting to play the race card, chooses not to accuse the cops of racial profiling, instead thanking them for doing their jobs and protecting his home from a potential breakin. The cops say “you’re welcome, sorry for the misunderstanding” and they drive away as Rutherford stands on his porch and gives them a friendly wave goodbye.

    That is how easily this could have, and should have gone.

  79. And we should begin by canning the use of “African” American

    The minute folks stop calling themselves Italian-American, Polish-American and Irish-American, I’ll endorse killing African-American.

    Interestingly, most other ethnic groups don’t even bother with the “American” part. They say, “I’m Polish” or “I’m Italian”. So I say black folks should start saying “I’m African” or “I’m Nigerian”. Of course African is the best most blacks can do since they can’t be sure specifically where the hell else they came from since their ancestors were kidnapped and brought here for slave labor.

  80. “instead thanking them for doing their jobs and protecting his home from a potential breakin.”

    Especially since his home was broken in a few weeks before.

  81. Red Pill,

    Correct. And let’s take it one step further. How many times have the “white” police been accused by blacks of ignoring the crime in their own neighborhood and then been accused of racism for “not caring” too? So in this situation, the cop was damned for simply showing up at a possible crime scene where the possible perpetrator happened to be a black man, who because of his pampered professional life and the fact he was black, was above the law.

    Here in my town recently, a black woman was raped and beaten by a black man. When the cops arrived (mostly white I am to assume), the thugs from the Project 8 housing complex (which whites pay a majority of the expense for by the way) wouldn’t let the cops or the EMT attend to the woman because of their crime of the attendants “being white.” During the ordeal, bricks were thrown at the police cars while the woman practically bled to death – she was eventually taken to the hospital by some of the residents.

    There was no formal apology by our black community leaders – only some mealy-mouthed excuse about the history of racial profiling and some lame excuse making for bad behavior.

    Again, there’s that double standard in judgment I speak about. If the roles had been reversed, we would have riots in the streets.

  82. Within 20 seconds, Professor Asshole wielded his power, his position in society. Read the transcripts.

    I read every word of the police report. What did Gates’ “position in society” get him? A trip to the booking center.

    What message are you missing here? Gates was an ass to trash talk a cop. If he was going to be angry with anyone, he should have been angry with his neighbor who very likely can’t tell Gates from your “run of the mill black thug” and called the cops on him.

    It was the cop’s choice to cuff Gates and arrest him. Gates was a real threat to no one. Cop made a bad choice. Doesn’t mean he should be vilified, doesn’t mean he should be called a racist. Doesn’t mean he should be painted as a “powerless” victim either.

    I read an interesting blog post earlier today that focused on the real problem here, one that does not lie with Gates or Crowley and that is ambiguously worded disorderly conduct laws that do not provide sufficient guidance to cops on making arrests.

    When a cop has carte blanche to arrest anyone who gives him the stink-eye, we now find ourselves living in a police state. Crowley made a bad call on this arrest, plain and simple. In his defense, he probably didn’t have guidelines that could have helped him make a more productive choice.

  83. No, Red Pill. Unfortunately, because of the history of this country, Rutherford and, for that matter, Obama, feel black people own some sort of license to act like angry, irrational children. And then expect to be respected as grown men.

    You’re either a grown up or not. Irrationally “acting out” or profiting off conflict ultimately will only serve to embarrass you. You will become the “caricature” Tex noted.

    I see two options:.

    Take the Rutherford way, and slowly pet Professor Gates on the head saying with the same tone I talk to my dog, “it’s ok boy, they got you all riled up. It’s ok, now. Good boy. ”

    Or the Rabbit way. “Professor, you sir are an asshole. And I refuse to let the color of your skin skew the way I see the world, including my expectations of other black people.”

    The Rabbit acted like a jerk with cops when he was 22 years old and drunk.

    Now I would probably have the wife make milk and cookies for the officer.

  84. “Gates was a real threat to no one”

    And how was the cop to know this?

    “he should have been angry with his neighbor who very likely can’t tell Gates from your “run of the mill black thug” and called the cops on him.”

    Well considering his house was broken in a mere weeks before, the neighbor was doing the guy a favor. Thats gratitude for you. The moron should have fixed the door after the break in.

  85. Let’s try and put this in language Rutherford can understand.

    Makes me think you didn’t read the original post Red Pill. All you’ve done is repeated the very scenario I described in a non-racist world. If a man’s experience teaches him that “white cops are the enemy”, then he is very likely to act like an ass-hat when dealing with them.

    Gates’ behavior if we are to take the police report at face value, indicates (as Crowley himself sort of said in an interview) that Gates has some serous “issues”. The dude needs some psycho-therapy. If Gates had pulled a gun on Crowley, Crowley should have shot his ass. But are we really saying that trash-talk is sufficient grounds for arrest? Especially in the case of an upstanding member of the community, no matter how psychically damaged he may be?

  86. ” he should have been angry with his neighbor who very likely can’t tell Gates from your “run of the mill black thug” and called the cops on him.”

    Interesting Rutherford. Because I still can’t tell that Gates isn’t a “run of the mill black thug”.

    Dude went to the “yo mama” jokes. LOL. What member of the upper class intelligentsia uses yo moma jokes!?? Cop probably was confused as all hell who Gates really was.

    I might fly off the table and say things that are too harsh. But, Rutherford, the day I come on here disrespecting your mother is the day you know the Dead Rabbit has an impostor.

  87. “R,

    The minute folks stop calling themselves Italian-American, Polish-American and Irish-American, I’ll endorse killing African-American.

    Baloney. Watch any news cast tonight, and you count the number of times that you hear someone in a professional conversation or dialogue who happens to be white call themselves Italian-American, or French American, or any other hyphenated American in simple conversation. 90% of us wouldn’t know our roots. And then you listen to your race hustling brothers on MSNBC and count how many times they speak of “African-American”, or the black experience, or some other mumbo jumbo – completely fixated on the color of one’s skin. Most of them sound like a throw back to the “failed” Elijah Mohammed bullshit of the 60s. I’ve offered a few of these race pimps a one way ticket back to Africa with $10,000 in pocket if they’ll simply announce that they revoke their U.S. citizenship and never had anyone take me up yet. Complete phonies.

    Said part is that the professional blacks I know don’t sound a damn thing like that and are in fact embarrassed by that kind of “race” talk – they’ve moved on and are simply grateful for the benefits this country offers to everyone.

    Most of these so called community activist goons wouldn’t have a clue what real racism is unless they’re looking in a mirror, and in fact use their minority status as a crutch designating themselves in some role as “leader”.

    Rutherford, you’re better than this and you know exactly what I’m talking about.

  88. I almost feel like opting out of this debate because none of you want to deal with the matter at hand. Did Crowley have to arrest Gates? Most if not all of you know perfectly well the answer is no. You’re just so pissed that Gates pulled the race card that you refuse to address the choices that Crowley had at his disposal.

  89. The matter of hand is the President of the United States jumping into a situation that at the very least, was extremely clouded, and assuming things that were not true.

    What business does a President have throwing his weight around unresolved local issues without remotely bothering to learn the facts? I don’t care if race may be involved. I don’t care if ultimately the arrest was wrong headed. I don’t care if Gates is his friend. That makes it even more creepy!

    He is the president not our baby sitter. There is nothing I can “learn” from Obama that I can’t learn from talking to you, Rutherford. So tell your President to get the “eff” out of our way.

    That is the matter of hand.

  90. Tex, I do get some of what you are saying but you also miss a subtlety here. One reason blacks started saying African-American was because it’s not totally about skin color (i.e. implied by “black”), it’s about heritage. You may be right that 90% of folks don’t know their “roots” but most whites who do are quite proud of them. Historically, blacks have been encouraged to be ashamed of their roots. The whole African-American movement as far as I can see is an effort to improve self respect and tell “blacks” that they have a culture that pre-dates the United States just as their “white” counterparts do.

    When we get right down to it, you’re talking to the wrong person about “roots”. I find the whole thing ludicrous. We’re all Americans, damn few of us are descended from royalty and so what if we were? An ass*ole descended from a king is still an ass*ole.

  91. “You’re just so pissed that Gates pulled the race card that you refuse to address the choices that Crowley had at his disposal.”

    What about the choice that Gates made? He didnt have to play the race card and verbally assault an officer. What about that there Dodger? Yes the cop had a choice but he made the right one. Gates had a serious attitude problem and the cop didnt put up with it. If he didnt arrest him, it sends a message that anyone can intimidate a cop by race baiting and verbal abuse.

  92. No the real issue is what kind of moron doesnt fix his door for over a month after a break in?

    Elric, if you REALLY think that is the real issue, it is you who should opt out of the debate. 😦

  93. Rutherford, I give you this. At least as a black man, you aren’t making excuses for Gates abysmal, bullying behavior. At least I haven’t seen you deny that Gates is an asshole of the first degree. They need to throw the race hustlers off of the network news and make you the representative for Gates’ side.

    On thing that should now be apparent to you. There is far more to the matter at hand than you are willing to address or admit. I’m afraid your President opened up a big can of worms.

    Like I said – palpable.

  94. “Elric, if you REALLY think that is the real issue, it is you who should opt out of the debate. :-(”

    Actually it is. If the moron fixed his door after a break in like any normal person, none of this would be news. Who the hell doesnt fix their door after a break in? Not like the guy is poor.

  95. One other thing Rutherford before I hit the treadmill. As a “white dude”, it is actually a pleasant thing for me to at least quit pretending and carry on a real conversation with somebody from the other side.

    If you really want race relations to better in this country, then it is overdue for blacks and whites to have real conversations about what is bugging both of us – otherwise, trouble will one day stir and even though you and I are diametrically opposed in most matters of politics, I still consider you a blog friend and wish in no way to become enemies. Now that is from the heart so take it for what it is worth.

    I appreciate your willingness to proceed with the matter at hand.

  96. I honestly don’t know one black guy who has ever referred to himself as an “African American”. I think in college I heard a couple black chicks refer to themselves that way.

    If you ever see a white guy using the word “African American” take heed of the tremble in his voice. Those are the ones who fear black people. The same type of guy who suddenly starts talking “black” at the water cooler if Jerome is hanging out there. The guy walks away and Jerome and who ever else is still at the cooler starts cracking up.

  97. Lets have a new poll

    “How long would it take you to fix your door after a break in”

    A. The very next day

    B. A few days

    C. A week

    D. A month

    E. Never, I can just jimmy the lock.

  98. “If the moron fixed his door after a break in like any normal person, none of this would be news” Elric

    If my uncle had tits he’d be my aunt.

    If “if’s” were fiths we’d all be drunk

    I spent half my childhood at the horse races. I’ve heard more
    if talk then you can ever imagine.

  99. Rabbit, 😆

    If there is anything worse than black race hustlers, it’s whitey trying to appease the race hustlers by sounding like them. One day, I’m going to grease some Vanilla Ice punk.

    In that one regard, the bangers could do me a personal favor and beat the hell out of whitey. They have my permission and I would like to get a few cheap shots myself.

  100. “But are we really saying that trash-talk is sufficient grounds for arrest? Especially in the case of an upstanding member of the community, no matter how psychically damaged he may be?”-Rutherford

    At least Rutherford walks it like he talks it. The proof? The Rabbit isn’t banned.

  101. If he didnt arrest him, it sends a message that anyone can intimidate a cop by race baiting and verbal abuse.

    “Yo mama” is intimidation? I didn’t know cops had such thin skin. If Crowley and Gates had just been two people on the street and Gates said “Yo mama”, I could see Crowley knocking his lights out. But on duty, a cop has to attain a higher standard. You cannot convince me that “yo mama” is illegal.

    I actually think it’s kinda funny … makes Gates sound like a 14 year old instead of a distinguished Harvard professor.

  102. OK guys …. I’ve got to sign off for the day. Me and the Mrs. are going to a Green Day concert in Hartford, CT. Yes, this old fart is going to see Green Day. My first real rock concert (if you don’t include the Stray Cats at Foxwoods Casino). Wish me luck! 🙂

    I’ll try to catch up on more of your comments over the weekend.

  103. Have fun Rutherford – don’t inhale too much weed from the audience and the foul mouthed band (but they do have some good music).

  104. And now the Amature-in-Chief has invited both parties to the White House so that the President of the United States of America can mediate a local issue between a cop and a professor.

    All because he opened his mouth before having all the facts.

  105. “If we take race out of this, both Gates and Crowley got into a who has the bigger dick contest”

    Which Obama “stupidly” chose to enter by essentially flopping his wang out during his health care reform presser.

    And we, and the MSM, are the assholes for pointing that out.

  106. Since Rutherford doesn’t want to continue the Gates debate, let’s take the debate back to his original post.

    “That is the true sad consequence of racism. We never know from one day to the next when a bruise is a malignant tumor or when a bruise is just a bruise.”

    So just as Obama defended Wright in “A More Perfect Union,” we are being told here that we have to accept that some black people are just going to be asshats to white people because whitey has shit on the black man for so long that the black man is just a little bit defensive about it now.

    That about sum it up?

  107. Dodd rails about lobbyists, rakes in their cash
    posted at 9:40 am on July 25, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Chris Dodd has pulled out all the stops in order to pull out of a polling free-fall in Connecticut. Burned by sweetheart mortgages provided to him by Countrywide, one of the more notorious subprime lenders, Dodd now wants people to believe that he’s the Scourge of Lobbyists Everywhere. Why, Dodd even makes them cry! Perhaps they get teary-eyed when they see Dodd sucking cash out of their wallets:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/25/dodd-rails-about-lobbyists-rakes-in-their-cash/

    So are you going to vote for him Dodger?

  108. Congresswoman Backs New Equal Rights Amendment; Points to Afghanistan, China as Models
    Wednesday, July 22, 2009
    By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer

    http://www.cnsnews.com/public/Content/Article.aspx?rsrcid=51368

    Do Dems say stupid crap just for the fun of it?

    According to the State Department’s 2008 report on human rights, the four countries cited by Jackson Lee are in fact described as nations where women face grave injustices, including rape, domestic abuse, and trafficking for prostitution.

    In Algeria, the latest report paints a bleak picture of the treatment of women in that country.

    “Rape, spousal and nonspousal, occurred. Nonspousal rape is illegal; spousal rape is not. Prison sentences for nonspousal rape range from one to five years,” the report says.

  109. Elric, 😆

    Did you see that dweeb – the only question I would ask is, “whoever the camera man was? Why didn’t you bust his ass?”

    I would have kicked the shit out of him for taking my signs. At the very least, I would have ripped them right out of his arms and shoved his worthless ass to the ground.

    Might have kicked him in the head while I was at it,then wrapped one of the signs over his head while he bled. This is excellent liberalism in action.

  110. Im sure he reported it Tex. I hope he did anyway. I thought you would like that video. But please dont hold back on what you would have done to the POS sign stealer. 🙂

  111. Wow, Tex and Elric you’ve totally missed the point. What’s despicable about this dude is he is a coward who takes signs and runs off. What he should have done was taken the sign, cut into nice sharp pieces, and then killed the dog of the sign’s owner. Or better yet, take the nice sharp pieces and shove them up the ass of the sign’s owner.

    I’ll tell you what? I think I’m beginning to agree with you guys on one thing. Too many liberals are wimps. We need some violent libs to kick the living s*it out of dumb-asses like that Delaware woman and whomever had those dumb-ass signs outside their home.

    Our country has too much going on to be dealing with distractions from brain-dead racists who will invent any conspiracy to keep a black man out of the White House. And if you don’t think that is what is going on, you’re living in a f*cking fantasy world.

    P.S. The only bad thing about my Green Day concert was that it had to end and I had to step back into a reality full of crap like this. 😦

  112. That about sum it up?

    You were close Red Pill but you were one word off. We don’t have to accept it but we should understand it. And while I am at it, do you know how many people tell police “Hey buddy, I pay your salary!” Does every cop who’s ever heard that, cart the guy off to jail? I’d be very eager to hear this roundtable’s analysis if the cop had been black and the occupant of the house had been a white professor. I can hear it now, “Damn, that cop sure had a thin skin. Damn, if black cops can’t take the heat they shouldn’t be on the job.”

    I’ve acknowledged that Gates acted like an ass. It’s time for you to acknowledge that Crowley used disturbance of the peace as a poor excuse for disturbance of his ego. The arrest was unnecessary, that is unless it was important to put this man in his “place.” (And that does not necessarily have to be a racial statement. There are lots of cops who flaunt their authority and behave like pricks just like there are lots of cops who truly serve to protect others and behave in the most upstanding manner,)

  113. “What’s despicable about this dude is he is a coward who takes signs and runs off. What he should have done was taken the sign, cut into nice sharp pieces, and then killed the dog of the sign’s owner. Or better yet, take the nice sharp pieces and shove them up the ass of the sign’s owner.”

    Even I expected better from you. You really sound like an ass.

  114. “Our country has too much going on to be dealing with distractions from brain-dead racists who will invent any conspiracy to keep a black man out of the White House.”

    Like I said, a real ass. Like someone could oppose Obama other than that he is biracial. You are beginning to sound like a real race hustler like Al Sharpton.

  115. I’d be very eager to hear this roundtable’s analysis if the cop had been black and the occupant of the house had been a white professor. I can hear it now, “Damn, that cop sure had a thin skin. Damn, if black cops can’t take the heat they shouldn’t be on the job.”-Rutherford

    R, What would your gut reaction be if it was a black cop?

    After all, you’ve done a fine job on here explaining that while we don’t have to accept it, we probably should expect black people to act like irrational over-emotional children. That our battered past unfortunately creates these tantrums and they are not going away anytime soon.

    So, again, I wonder how you would analyze the black cop? I can only infer that you would have put the blame on him, after all, how can we expect him to function?

    By the way, there is a good chance you are right and the arrest wasn’t warranted. Not being there, it is hard to tell. The thing that goes against Professor Asshole is that he followed the cop onto the side walk, verbally abusing him. In his house is one thing, actually following the cop and not letting it go, that takes some balls and may be illeagal. In the Detroit area, your ass is gone!

    Lastly, and I think this is important. I could give a shit if Professor Gates was unlawfully arrested. I think it’s funny. Rutherford talks about all the “important stuff” we need to be concentrating on. Read the Transcript. Gates aint one of them. Someone should have told the President.

  116. LAMB: At one point you had a line in there, something to the effect, “My mother despised white people.”

    GATES: My mother hated white people.

    LAMB: All her life?

    GATES: Probably. I didn’t know until — in 1959 we were watching Mike Wallace’s documentary called “The Hate that Hate Produced.” It was about the Nation of Islam and I couldn’t believe — I mean, Malcolm X was talking about the white man was the devil and standing up in white people’s faces and telling them off. It was great. I mean, it’s what black people did behind closed doors, but they would never do it in — I mean, they were too vulnerable to do it, say, where they worked, at the paper mill or downtown, as we would call it. And here was a guy who had the nerve to do that, and I think if I had been a character in a cartoon, my eyes would have gone Doing! — like this. I couldn’t believe it. As I sat cowering in a corner of our living room, I glanced over at Mama and her face was radiant. I mean, this smile — beatific smile started to transform her face. And she said quite quietly, “Amen.” And then she said, “All right now,” and she sat up and she said, “Yes.”

    And she loved Malcolm X and she loved what the Muslims were doing. And I couldn’t believe it. It was like — as I write, it was like watching the Wicked Witch of the West emerge out of the transforming features of Dorothy. This person I had thought of as this pioneer of the civil rights movement really had a hard time with white people. And the more I got to know her — and, you know, these weren’t easy anecdotes for her to repeat, but the older I got, she became more willing to share painful experiences of white racism — the way that she was treated when she was a girl and a servant in the house of wealthy white people just a block down the hill from where we lived. My brother and I eventually went back and bought that house for her, and that’s how we found out that she had been so horribly treated by these people. She never trusted white people. She didn’t like white people. She didn’t want to live with white people.

    http://www.booknotes.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1220

    No wonder Thuggy stuck up for him. Birds of a feather

  117. You know, I’m completely convinced after this thread that there’s no point in real “racial” dialogue. I’m actually kind of glad we’ve had this little conversation and Rutherford did me a personal favor, though that was not the original intent. Because I am now convinced the discussion of race and history is a complete waste of time. It’s an eye opener for me because if I can’t be truthful with Rutherford without pushing us to the brink of war, what’s it going to be like when I deal with the hood?

    There’s too much pent up frustration on both sides; too much victimization mentality and hate for white America for most blacks taught at a young age, too much groveling and pussified behavior from whites for sins few of us committed, incorrectly believing that would make it all go away. Most blacks have no intent of moving on. Race trumps reason.

    I say that because I generally find Rutherford one of you more rational libs and even he can’t stay away from interjecting more race baiting bullshit when this sign argument was between two white men. It so happened to be about a black man granted, but the dislike for Obama for most of us who didn’t vote for him has little or anything to do with race. I will state for the record, the only joyous moment for me to watch Obama win was to watch many blacks celebrate their perceived arrival – though, as a white man, I realized their arrival long ago.

    I have no intention after this of reconciling, apologizing or providing special consideration of perspective with anyone because of some past grievance somebody had with my great granddaddy. Fuck ’em.

    Hey Rabbit? Remember when I told that you would start hearing bullshit like this when all of whitey America didn’t coddle Brother Obama? How long did it take? Six months?

    And Rutherford–>, not to be prophetic, but I warned you of this soon after Obama was elected in the Chen Chamber; that is, that the excuse making would soon follow Obama's poor performance, and the most predictable accusations of racism would follow, making the "transitional President" a prettier version of Al Sharpton; first to be carried out by the toadies, then later the professional race baiters, eventually leading to Obama himself. In this case, Obama jumped the gun.

    I won't even bother you with Tex's next prediction "R" to follow but only to say critical mass is nearing. Of course, that is not all attributable to simply race – bad behavior had a lot to do with it.

  118. Elric,

    My Grandpappy ripped on black people all the time. Hell, he went to war against them in the riot of ’67. My Dad only saw the whites of his eyes when he returned to our family store for more ammo. Ask him about blacks and he’d mock them as a people. Yet, at his funeral, I was hugged by weeping black ladies with huge hats.

    Hell, if I was black in the 50’s, I would have been down with Malcolm X too.

    That conversation doesn’t mean a thing to me.

  119. 😆

    R, have I been banned? Or are you resorting to censoring my posts?

    This is a test of the national broadcasting system.

  120. DR,

    It explains Gates racist attitude. I guess he should have listened to King and judge men by their character. So should Dodger for that matter.

  121. I think it is caught up in Rutherford’s queue for whatever reason.

    It did have a few curse words, but no links so I’m not sure what got filtered. I may curse “R” for “blockheadedness” about politics and race, but I have never thought for a moment him a coward.

    I think this is WordPress and not “R”. I’m just giving him a hard time. That and the fact I had a difficult time picturing him at Greenday. I always figured Rutherford to have more eloquent tastes – like Count Basie, or something. Something better than white trash or rap music.

  122. I think that Green Day show awoke some faux agression in the 40 something, judging from his militant posts, today.

  123. Rabbit, 😆

    I just watched Ron Jeremy in action. And I couldn’t help but notice the female’s face; I think that is how my wife looks when I crawl over the bricks.

  124. LOL! I was thinking the same thing.

    We had the baby shower today. I cleaned up. Actually very humbling that people would come together and buy us so much stuff.

  125. DR,

    Gates thought it was great. Which explains why he is a racist jerk off. Explains why Malcom X appealed to him instead of Dr King.

    And of course lets not forget Thuggy’s own words.

    “It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere… That’s the world! On which hope sits!”

  126. “I think that Green Day show awoke some faux agression in the 40 something, judging from his militant posts, today.”

    Didnt sound “faux” to me. He slips up like that when he talks about Palin as well. I think Thuggy crashing to earth is having an effect on him.

  127. Rabbit,

    I thought the same thing after our wedding reception many moons ago. We actually were taking china back and I couldn’t believe how generous people had been to us.

  128. Elric,

    The way I see it, black people had the natural born right to take up arms against us during Jim Crow. The Nation of Islam might now be a redundant force of evil, but make no mistake about it, it was created by American policy.

    MLK saved our asses. I am mystified how we came out of Jim Crow so unscathed. Anywhere else in the world and we would have cafes blowing up with screw packed pipe bombs.

    How could you blame any black person at the tail end of segregation for becoming militant?

    The day government tells the Rabbit he can’t sip from the scuttlebutt because the Rabbit has a white cotton tail is the day the Rabbit busts out the trusty Winchester speed pump.

  129. Nope. I am defending the response of his mother. Natural born rights, buddy. You have a right to fight for them.

  130. That’s funny because the entire conversion you pasted was about her response and how he was proud of it. I see no problem with that. Apply your own principals of liberty to Professor Asshole’s mom. In 1959, black people had a right to stand up and fight us outright.

  131. “That’s funny because the entire conversion you pasted was about her response and how he was proud of it. ”

    Yes he was proud granny called the white man blue eyed devils and granny taught him well since he still views the white man as such as he looks down from his cushy ivory tower. Also though it interesting him gushing over the Nation of Islam when Obama had close ties to them. Still does since he got the charges against the New Black Panthers dropped.

  132. I heard today that Obama had called the police officer to assure him that he wasn’t insinuating that this officer Crowley was one of the bad guys. Bullshit, that is exactly what Obama said. And I see Professor Numb Nuts is starting to back off and just wants to move on – if I were officer Crowley and the Cambridge police, I would start ratcheting the heat up big time. I’d call Gates for the maggot he is and I would make that statement publicly.

    I swear this is the truth. If I had been officer Crowley and they handed me the phone when the President called, I would have said, “Is this President Obama? You are offering to drink a beer with me, huh at the Whitehouse? Well, understand this. I wouldn’t be seen in your presence and I’m not giving you the satisfaction of looking like some swell guy. The answer is fuck you!”. And I would have hung up the phone.

    I ain’t kidding.

  133. I know, Obama now acting like he never meant to malign that cop is almost Orwellian. I wouldn’t have given in unless I got an apology from Obama for butting in.

    The most dangerous thing coming out of this is the “State” operating in way it is not intended. And I swear to God, had it been Bush blindly taking the side of the white cop, I would be saying the same exact thing. The “State” has no business bypassing the legal mechanisms we have in place.

    The Commander and Chief has a role. The local police have a role. Professor Gate’s lawyer has a role. The media, a jury..etc.etc. It’s might not be the nicest sounding symphony but a symphony it is. The maestro snatching a trumpet out of some dude’s hands in the brass section aint cool.

    It creeps me out to watch the State weighing in and influencing the outcome of affairs that are clearly out of it’s jurisdiction. It’s an abuse of power, really. The President inserted himself as an actor in the drama. That’s not leadership.

    I know Rutherford thinks it’s no big deal. And, in the big scheme of things, it wasn’t. But can you imagine if the President continued to involve himself in affairs like this. It would be scary.

  134. Yeah, I thought that too.

    That video temporarily kind of turned me off on sex as a whole, and that really has only happened once before, when the Navy ripped my wisdom teeth out.

  135. R, have I been banned?

    C’mon Mr. Paranoid, you should know me better than that by now. Your comment got snagged in my SPAM filter for unknown reasons and since it’s the weekend I didn’t see it till just now. You’ll find the comment in its rightful place in this thread.

  136. I always figured Rutherford to have more eloquent tastes – like Count Basie, or something. Something better than white trash or rap music.

    The word that applies to my musical tastes is eclectic. I am not a fan of rap or hip-hop for the most part (there are a few exceptions, none of them falling in the category of gangsta rap, which I consider beyond a waste of time — one of the most shameful things to come out of the black community).

    I do like the pop-flavored punk of Green Day and the new-wave sound of The Cars, I’m an old Stones fan. My Creedence Clearwater Revival collection is pretty complete. I’ve got probably about five albums from Oscar Peterson (late great jazz pianist) and I compensated for being a weakling as a child by listening to Alice Cooper (“I love the dead before they’re cold…”). So there you have it. 🙂

    P.S. Haven’t been able to warm up to country too much or opera for that matter. Some of the classics like Beethoven’s Fifth and Moonlight Sonata, and Schubert’s Unfinished are pretty cool though.

  137. “It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere… That’s the world! On which hope sits!”

    I don’t know Obama’s writing well enough to know whence this comes (Audacity of Hope?) but it sounds pretty damn eloquent to me. Even taken out of context, it seems pretty damn eloquent to me.

  138. I am mystified how we came out of Jim Crow so unscathed.

    Rabbit, the thing that has always puzzled me about “black folk” is why when they get angry they burn their own neighborhoods to the ground. When MLK was killed and riots broke out, black neighborhoods went up in flames. Why the hell didn’t they march to the ritzy side of town and throw a few Molotov cocktails at “the man”? Maybe someone better versed in African American studies (Gates? 😉 ) can fill me in.

  139. Yeah…that is a strange one. We always thought they would eventually get our house on Devil’s Night. Man, those were the days. Every October 30. The city would burn.I’m talking over 300 fires burning simultaneously. I really have no clue if this was covered in the national media.

    I remember once my dad made me go turn the hoses on. While we were then in a suburb, we were kind of close. Not to mention all kinds of other weird stuff would happen. You used to be able to feel this weird sense of anarchy in the air. Then one year, there was this very intense media blitz to call it Angel’s Night. It worked!

  140. You are offering to drink a beer with me, huh at the Whitehouse?

    Get your facts straight dude. It was Crowley who suggested to Obama that they have a beer.

    It’s also interesting that the very first thing Crowley said on camera when asked about Obama was a mumbled “I didn’t vote for him.” What the heck does that have to do with anything? Methinks ole Crowley a bit of a wise-ass. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. I can be a wise-ass myself at times.

  141. DR, thanks for the explanation on Devil’s Night. I had never heard of it before.

    By the way, congrats on the baby shower. People’s generosity at times like this is pretty mind-blowing.

  142. As you can probably tell from earlier comments, the whole “Birther” movement pisses me off beyond belief and it really shouldn’t considering how ludicrous it is.Tex thinks I’m race-baiting on this but I know of no other president in modern times whose very citizenship was challenged. You know what code I hear from the Birthers? I hear “Obama should not be president cos he’s really really really really black!!! He’s so black, he was born in Kenya!”

    I watched one of the leaders of the lunatic fringe, G. Gordon Liddy the other night say that a “Certificate Documenting Birth” (or some verbiage like that) was not the same as a birth certificate. The man has lost his marbles. But he doesn’t get me angry because most people know Liddy is certifiable.

    It’s folks like Liz Cheney who get my blood boiling. The “far as I know he’s an American” crowd. This whole birther thing is just another way to marginalize him … make him seem “other”, “not like us”. I know that by getting enraged over it, I’m actually giving it more credence. It needs to be ignored and its proponents need to be written off as crackpots. But I see such an insidious underbelly to the whole thing that it throws me into machine gun toting radical mode.

    Anyone who comes to this blog with that birther bulls*it will get every rhetorical atomic bomb I can throw at them.

    P.S. And please don’t bring up McCain’s “born in Panama Canal” thing to try to disinfect the oozing, puss filled sore that is the birther movement.

    P.P.S. I am ignorant on one thing though, and if someone can clue me in with a credible internet citation, I’d be appreciative. Is citizenship passed on only by the father? I ask this because Obama’s mother was an American citizen so even if Obama was born in Kenya, he would STILL be an American citizen, would he not? Does the constitution say the president must have been born in the United States? If so, that is itself pretty ludicrous. What if both your American born parents delivered you while on vacation in France? That disqualifies you? Can’t be!

  143. Rutherford, from your Boston Herald – title of page:

    Obama offers amends, a beer at White House

    Not that I really give a hoot…

    ———————————————–

    Here’s how I feel about Obama’s birth certificate – don’t care. Here is what I want from Obama personally and yet have to hear one other person demand this. And this too is sealed and this is an outrage.

    I wanted the Obama to show proof that he had to register for selective service like I did Rutherford – which by the way, would put the birth certificate issue to rest. I don’t think Obama registered, which is not only a crime but an offense that would prevent Obama from holding any federal office. But I don’t want him removed – I want him a target of ridicule for the next three plus years just like all the crap Bush dealt with for all eight years. The military service crap, the Mary Mapes horseshit, the baseless charges, the mob mentality. I want everyone to get to experience dealing with that crap. It changed me over eight years and I now fully admit that there is a large part of my fellow citizenry that I abhor and consider the enemy.

    I want to prove that this “President” is a phony out of the Gates’ mold – a black that from a young age that hated “whitey” and has felt he’s privileged and above the law. And I mainly want this not because of my own dislike of Obama or any other race pimp from the black hustler crowd, but to show a bunch of dumb ass whites who pander to these race hustlers that what I’ve said for years is true all along. That there is a large segment of the black population in America that is every bit as racist as any white at a Jim Crow bathroom or water fountain and it is long overdue to wake up to that fact.

    (to be continued)

  144. “R”,

    This Gates clown is eloquent enough to be nothing but a trouble maker who makes his living at stirring strife – another in a long list of Al Sharpton devils that are little danger to whites but a real danger to blacks. They use people like you to empower themselves. Gates and his worthless brood have done more to hurt black America than any Jim Crow water fountain could ever do and the results are obvious.

    You think I”m crazy? You naive enough to believe that the black man has now arrived because a black man was elected President? Baloney…

    The family and sense of community that your ancestors once held fast to and was always the black’s real strength has been destroyed. Most the black neighborhoods in America are in disarray, with your young cannibalizing its own and amoral in the nature because they were never parented. Three out of four blacks born out of wedlock, many of the sperm donors no where to be found.

    When are you going to wake up and realize some of these whites that pander to you for your vote and nod their head in agreement with the bad behavior which you apparently use as some barometer of progress, are some of the weakness, most worthless people on earth?

    If you’re not going to bother to address these issues and skip over my posts, then I’m through with your blog. Interesting about your music tastes but I’m not here to hear about it beyond the passing commentary.

    You pose some brilliant commentary about important issues – but you’re absent at following through with addressing any solutions. I would like to hear your grievances and I want to talk to a black man that is brutally honest. I’ve actually come to admire your mind “R”. But I am fed up with the phony commentary that passes as “racial” dialogue anymore once the conversation starts.

    And here is the most ironic part. Some time back, I begin to notice that I had far more in common with many blacks and Hispanics than most whites concerning life’s most basic tenets. I don’t expect you to understand what I’m saying but it has much to do with faith.

  145. “I don’t know Obama’s writing well enough to know whence this comes (Audacity of Hope?) but it sounds pretty damn eloquent to me. Even taken out of context, it seems pretty damn eloquent to me.”

    Seems pretty anti white. But then he attended an anti white “church” so what else can you expect?

  146. Tex,

    Thats a good point with the Selective Service. I bet its sealed along with everything concerning the “most transparent’ administration ever.

    “It creeps me out to watch the State weighing in and influencing the outcome of affairs that are clearly out of it’s jurisdiction. It’s an abuse of power, really. The President inserted himself as an actor in the drama. That’s not leadership.”

    Its because he is a fascist.

  147. “I’ll tell you what? I think I’m beginning to agree with you guys on one thing. Too many liberals are wimps. We need some violent libs to kick the living s*it out of dumb-asses like that Delaware woman and whomever had those dumb-ass signs outside their home.

    Our country has too much going on to be dealing with distractions from brain-dead racists who will invent any conspiracy to keep a black man out of the White House. And if you don’t think that is what is going on, you’re living in a f*cking fantasy world.

    P.S. The only bad thing about my Green Day concert was that it had to end and I had to step back into a reality full of crap like this. 😦 ”

    Care to elaborate on this huffington, koz, Al Sharpton like rant there Dodger?

  148. Peer Reviewed Scientific Study–Al Gore is a FRAUD

    Youngstown Ohio — With only a week separating us from August, many in the Mahoning Valley are probably hoping for the onset of global warming. The average temperature for the Valley for the month so far is 65.9 degrees, 3.7 degrees lower than average, according to National Weather Service statistics. If it doesn’t warm up, this would be the coldest July on record.

    A new scientific paper says that the only warming that is man made is the heat coming from under Al Gore’s collar. The highly regarded Journal of Geophysical Research presented a peer reviewed study by 3 Australasian researchers which shows that natural forces are the dominant influence on climate. According to this study little or none of the late 20th century global warming and cooling can be attributed to human activity.

    http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2009/07/peer-reviewed-scientific-study-al-gore.html

    I still say destroy our economy over this lie. What you say Dodger?

  149. You naive enough to believe that the black man has now arrived because a black man was elected President?

    Whoa Tex. Where in heaven’s name did you ever get that idea? We’ve got ghettos teeming with poverty, crime and drug addiction. We’ve got (as you pointed out) way more fatherless children than could ever deemed “acceptable”. No one with half a brain expected the Obama presidency to change that overnight. The only thing I said earlier in this thread is that having a black president at least raises the sensitivity level of the MSM and stories that might otherwise have gotten buried before, now get on the front page. AND Obama gets asked about them.

    Believe me, if George Bush were pres right now, no reporter would have asked him his opinion of the Gates-Crowley broohaha. There is frankly a racist assumption that anything black should be a topic for Obama to discuss. After watching a week of discussion on both sides, I’ve come down on the side that Obama should have kept his mouth shut. In fact, I’m almost coming around to the opinion that he should have been insulted by Lynn Sweet’s question. “Here I am talking about health care, and you’re asking me about some raicial incident that has nothing to do with me … mainly because I am a black president, not because I am the president.”

    Damn, I think you’ve given me another topic for a new blog post. 🙂

  150. Obama called Elmendorf to the White House after the CBO director testified that the present House bill would add $239 billion to the deficit over the next ten years, creating a rift between moderate and liberal Democrats in the House and abruptly halting the effort in the Senate. Obama denied that he intended to intimidate Elmendorf into providing more sympathetic numbers in subsequent analyses, but the White House got roundly criticized for inappropriately interfering with Congress’ independence in fiscal analysis.

    Now, however, the White House has dispensed with the illusion of bullying and made it as overt as possible. This makes the intent of the earlier meeting crystal clear. They had hoped to intimidate Elmendorf in private, and since that didn’t work, they’re now doing it openly.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/26/the-omb-cbo-throwdown/

    More thuggish behavior from thuggy and crew. Or is the CBO just a bunch of racist trying to bring down this biracial “president”?

  151. “I’ll tell you what? I think I’m beginning to agree with you guys on one thing. Too many liberals are wimps. We need some violent libs to kick the living s*it out of dumb-asses like that Delaware woman and whomever had those dumb-ass signs outside their home.

    Our country has too much going on to be dealing with distractions from brain-dead racists who will invent any conspiracy to keep a black man out of the White House. And if you don’t think that is what is going on, you’re living in a f*cking fantasy world.

    P.S. The only bad thing about my Green Day concert was that it had to end and I had to step back into a reality full of crap like this. 😦 ”

    So when will you be writing for Koz or Huff. Seems like your true self slipped there. 🙂

  152. Holy crap, I just found Dodger’s long lost conservative brother!!!!

    Wow I am so incredibly torn. I don’t know which was funnier, the Manning video or the Ron Jeremy Turtle! 😀

    Elric you could learn a thing or two from Manning, “Long legged mack-daddy” has so much more of a ring to it than “thuggy”. But then you would have to type more … thuggy is so much easier. 😉

  153. So when will you be writing for Koz or Huff. Seems like your true self slipped there.

    Mmmm, how much do they pay? I ain’t makin’ a dime at this gig. 😦

  154. So when will you be writing for Koz or Huff? Your intolerant, violent, hateful liberal side finally slipped through. Or will you be applying to work for ACORN?

  155. “Mmmm, how much do they pay? I ain’t makin’ a dime at this gig. :-(”

    Thats because you are a drone without much thought into your posts. But then, you would be perfect for them.

  156. I still say destroy our economy over this lie. What you say Dodger?

    My educated guess is that for every scientist who says human-influenced climate change is a hoax, there are two who say it isn’t.

  157. You know, I’m completely convinced after this thread that there’s no point in real “racial” dialogue.

    It’s funny Tex, I sorta came to the same conclusion about religion.

  158. “My educated guess is that for every scientist who says human-influenced climate change is a hoax, there are two who say it isn’t.”

    That you libs had to change the term from “Global warming” to “climate change” tells me its a scam. Well that and Boxer blocking solar panels in the desert.

  159. R, What would your gut reaction be if it was a black cop?

    Rabbit, the more I think about this case, the less I think race has anything to do with it. You’ve got two jerks, one with the authority to arrest the other and he does so. If a black cop arrested a white professor who called him the N word, while I might find the whole thing cathartic, the bottom line would be that the cop abused his power.

    I said earlier that many cops have heard someone say “hey buddy, I pay your salary”. And I’ll tell you something. There is something cathartic about Crowley saying “you ungrateful Harvard snob who has no idea what a privileged life you lead in this country … you’re no where near a poor black man … you think you’re gonna talk trash to me? Well I’m gonna throw your Ivy League ass behind bars for a few hours so you understand that your s*it smells the same as everybody else’s.” That’s damn cathartic. Damn satisfying, especially for working class people who are tired of being verbally abused by the so-called elite. Trouble is, we don’t arrest people for catharsis. We arrest them when they’ve committed real crimes.

    I hope that Gates’ arrest satisfied the rage of every working class person who’s ever been looked down on by an intellectual. Now let’s move on.

  160. “You know, I’m completely convinced after this thread that there’s no point in real “racial” dialogue.”

    Well Tex, once Dodger went on his little rant that people want to bring down Thuggy because he is “biracial”, he killed what little true dialog we had. That and his total disrespect of people’s private property. But then, marxists dont believe in private property anyway.

  161. “Now Elric, that hurts. I thought I was at least a thoughtful drone. ”

    Look up the definition of drone. By being a drone, you are devoid of true thought.

  162. I disagree with you Rutherford. I don’t assume Crowley is a jerk at all. I think he has been unfairly maligned and happened to meet a racist punk that was looking for a fight. He simply had enough of the verbal abuse and the bullying, and said fine, “I’ll take this sorry MF downtown and book him.”

    I think you assume that because some black man was involved, therefore both had to be jerks. I know Gates is an asshole and that Obama stuck his foot in his mouth.

    But I might agree with you about the question posed to Obama. Gates isn’t worth a damn and of no important but other race pimps. Why Obama was asked the question, I have no idea because it certainly doesn’t rise to the level of Presidential importance. I agree with your answer for Obama. Of course, I’ve been trying to tell you that our worthless media will create strife, if the need arises. Even Obama isn’t completely bulletproof to the viciousness.

  163. Elric,

    Something tells me Gates isn’t near as bright as he would like to think. He’s either a megalomaniac with illusions of grandeur or a dope. At the lake today, I heard a black friend of my brother-in-law call Gates an ethnic name that made me almost embarrassed because I couldn’t help but laugh out loud.

  164. Tex,

    No Harvard “intellectual” is all that bright. Oh and you are right, there is no hope for Dodger. Once he went on that little hateful racist rant about the person that had his/her signs stolen it clinched it for me. He is even worse than Gates because he doesnt even know the race of the property owner.

  165. Mostly at Tex… Crowley gets to show himself and his brother officers as bigger by having a drink at the WH. He also gets to showcase law enforcement as part of the solution to racial tensions in a small way. Unfortunately the reality is the CPD and the neighboring communities will be under a magnifying glass for some time now to justify the views of the true racists. people like gates,Sharpton,the ACLU and on and on.

  166. Even if it’s a small world (microscopic ?) I too would like to see solutions floated out by both sides in the Rutherford threads. It actually adds to the dialogue. i think DR and Tex could offer some perspectives and R perhaps if some solutions started flowing the absent lefties you deserve would come forth.

  167. Alfie,

    If Crowley were to cave to having a drink with Obama, it is a tacit admission that he was also in the wrong. Police have been forced to coddle too many “thugs of color” in order to accommodate the race pimps like Gates for far too long. I realize there are rogue cops, mostly white. This guy wasn’t one of them.

    I’ll back off a bit – I would simply tell Obama, “No thank you. I do not care to drink with two black racists…”, then hang up.

  168. Back in civilization after a two week camping trip and trying to catch up on my favorite blogs.

    As far as I can tell with this whole story, Gates opened the backdoor to his house with his own key. Why did the Cambridge PD drop the charges so quickly?

    Was it because there was no crime committed and the officer should have left immediately after it was established there was not a break-in?

    No crime; means bad bust, bad bust means bad judgment by the arresting officer, means he acted “stupidly”.

    Gates was still on his own front porch when he was arrested.

    Really curious take on the Bill of Rights you wingnuts have.

    2nd Amendment yeah it’s A-Ok.

    4th Amendment not so much.

    Or is that only for blacks owning bigger houses and living in nicer neighborhoods than they should?

    Mouthing off to police is protected speech, all the more so if your anger and insults are related to a perceived violation of your rights while standing on your front porch.

    I was arrested for curfew in the 70’s while not 60 feet from my front door. I was trying to convince these other guys (classmates) there was no party at my neighbors house. I gave that cop an earful all the way to the station cause I knew he was in the wrong. You would have done the same.

    Do we risk getting beaten, tased, or shot when we assert our constitutional rights when confronted by a police officer?

  169. And thank goodness this particular police report has an iron-clad infallibility. There are absolutely no discrepancies whatsoever. In fact, the woman who initially dialed 911 never mentioned any black people, but Crowley’s report helpfully added that detail.

    Huzzah for responsible law enforcement!
    Huzzah for calling in all available police for backup for the 59 year old short, slight man who has a limp and walks with a cane!

    You are the man Sgt Jim Crow(ley).

  170. Really curious take on the Bill of Rights you wingnuts have

    Curator, where are you when I need you man?

    Amen, amen, amen. What I find fascinating is that the same conservatives who fear the government trampling on their freedoms have no problem with a guy being arrested for talking.

    Makes ZERO sense.

  171. You are the man Sgt Jim Crow(ley).

    OUCH … oh damn that was good!

    Curator even though I fully agree with you that it was a bad arrest and that the police report really does not jibe with what went down, I honestly don’t think this was as much a case of racism on Crowley’s part as it was class and ego. All anyone has to do is watch Crowley’s post-kegger news conference to see what a self assured dude this is. Man clearly does not think his crap stinks. He runs into a man who does not cow-tow to him and his ego takes over.

    Could race have played some role? Of course …. that was the whole point of my post, that the specter of racism makes every conflict between a black man and a white man suspect, rightly or wrongly. In this case though, I think two dudes got into a “who has the bigger dick” contest and the dude with the gun and the power won.

  172. I have been following responses for this blog since it was posted. It has been very informative of the complexities of race/class politics as informed by the need to ‘dick’ measure. That the dude with the gun (metaphorical penis) has the power, at the end, is not new.
    Jarrett states that she does not know why the press made a big deal and, I think if she had come across the responses to this post, she would have been able to see why.

  173. G531, first welcome to the blog. I’m glad to have you on board.

    The comments section of my blog is where the real “action” is. My posts simply serve to spark the debate. More often than not (well maybe 50% of the time) the debate here is intelligent and thought provoking. Many of my regulars have honored me by sharing their real lives on these pages and arguing from the heart as well as from the head,

    I agree with you that Ms. Jarrett probably would learn something here.

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