Obama Video Address: June 13, 2009

For the second week in a row, President Obama addresses his health care initiative this time focusing on cost savings and fiscal discipline.

It is interesting that Obama is getting criticism from both ends of the political spectrum. For example, part of the health care reform may involve a public option that proponents say will increase competitiveness among insurance companies. Opponents say there are more than enough insurance companies in the private sector to fulfill any need for competitiveness.  Opponents see the new health care reform paving the way toward a socialist government.

But folks on the far left are not happy either. Part-time comedian, part-time political pundit, Bill Maher tore into Obama on last Friday night’s show complaining that the President was not implementing enough change. One of the areas he cited was health care, where he felt the President was appeasing all the usual fat cat players.

I think the only thing that will differentiate this year’s health care cat fight from that of the 1990’s is that this one will not stall some sort of initiative. Something of some flavor will get implemented during this administration and possibly as soon as this year. Whether it saves us money and improves our care remains to be seen.

And now the President of the United States of America:

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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102 thoughts on “Obama Video Address: June 13, 2009

  1. uh…..can somebody tell me where the 1 trillion dollars is going to come from?

    silly question, i know.

  2. 50 years from now there will probably be the strangest taxes. Every American will be crunched by some numbers bureaucrat to see how much they weigh on the system.

    Taxes of the future:

    Cigar smokers tax (coming soon)
    Ski tax
    Adult recreational softball tax
    Fat ass tax
    High school football player tax
    Bacon Tax
    Single Male Bachelor Tax

    Its going to be so much fun when the Department of Motor Vehicles goes into the medical business.

    It will be just like when the Navy removed my wisdom teeth.

  3. “Whether it saves us money and improves our care remains to be seen.”

    You willing to risk your daughter’s future? You want a glimpse of what is coming? Look at Medicare and Medicaid. You think its run so well that you want it forced on every citizen in this country? For once I would like an honest answer and no dodging.

  4. focusing on cost savings and fiscal discipline.

    That must be a joke in the David Letterman mold. If not, I laugh out loud at the premise. Caesar Obama understands about as much about fiscal discipline and cost as a nun does about selling cherry licorice underwear in a whorehouse.

  5. I swear Tex these drones live in some parallel world. The thug in chief QUADRUPLES the deficit and these drones eat it up when thuggy talks about fiscal discipline.

  6. uh…..can somebody tell me where the 1 trillion dollars is going to come from?

    my bad…i asked that already.

  7. $1T is the lowball figure. Some economists are speculating as high as $4T.

    And since speculative figures are good enough to cite as proof things are working, I say we go with the highest speculations we can.

    Especially since we are already seeing the lowball guesses from the Obama Administration aren’t worth shit. Even Uncle Joe Biden admits that now.

  8. If it sounds like Marx and looks like Stalin, it is known as OBAMUNISM!

    What we need is President Obfuscate to go on another one of those Blame America First tours, and buddy up some more with Mahmoud, the Ayatollah, and the rest Mad Mullahs.

    That will fix everything! 😉

    Apparently, President Obfuscate is in cahoots with the Sauds too as gas is going through the roof again. No wonder Bill Casper Maher is irritated – Obama is G.W. Bush without the stones and good looking wife.

  9. I’m hearing Hezbollah, the Brown Shirts of Shi’ite extremism, have been brought in to crack skulls.

    Man…even if this thing spills over and morphs into revolution, there still are millions of radical nut jobs there as well.

    Bloody, bloody stuff the day this regime goes down.

    Imagine if they actually had nukes ready to launch while they were losing their grip on power. I bet they would launch them on Israel.

  10. I find it odd Rutherford isn’t “leading” with Iran. This blog is mostly two things.

    1. Palin sucks/populist conservatism is dangerous
    2. Obama said this and that.

    **95% of which R vehemently defends. 5 % he is “unsure” about.

  11. Everyday we lose more freedom. Everyday.

    Rabbit, you’ve puzzled me. What freedoms have you lost recently? I can’t think of a single one I’ve lost. Melodrama? Or do you know something I don’t know?

  12. I usually “lead” with stories about which I have strong emotion or lots of knowledge or both.

    Honestly, I don’t know what to make of Iran. The “moderate” they are peacefully protesting about is not, from what I understand all that moderate. The idea that an election there would be rigged is not earth shaking to me.

    Some of you (not Elric) have noted that Obama is taking the right course on this by not taking sides … other than siding with the will of the people of Iran. I agree that this is the way to go.

  13. On a prior post, Elric seemed pleased that the reinstatement of Mahmoud would give Israel the “green light” to go on the offensive. Do you really think Israel taking preemptive action against Iran is a good idea?

  14. I just wanted to take this opportunity to congratulate my conservative friends. While Obama’s personal popularity remains high, his policy direction is losing ground according to a recent survey.

    Who knows? At this rate, maybe the country will be ready to run him out of office by 2012. I hope that satisfies you. (Although damn, if we get a Repub in the White House in 2013, what will poor Elric have to complain about?)

  15. Tex, I guess it’s each to his own, but Laura Bush is pleasant looking but hardly a fox. To my eyes, Michelle Obama is pleasant looking but hardly a fox.

    Quite frankly, I think the only First Lady that ever bordered on “hot” was Jackie O.

  16. “Do you really think Israel taking preemptive action against Iran is a good idea?”

    I don’t think Israel would attack Iran’s nuclear ambitions unless it was absolutely sure they were being used for military purposes. And thanks to the anti-Israeli rhetoric coming from Iran the last few years, no matter the interpretations, Israel has no option but to take preemptive measures when it decides that is the case.

    Israel is not going to ignore direct threats to its existence…ever. And though I don’t always agree with their security policies, I’m inclined to say that they shouldn’t.

    As to comment #17, don’t blame us. Time is Obama’s enemy now.

  17. “R”,

    Oh, I was just gigging you. I think Laura Bush is attractive – but I agree hardly a fox.

    It’s just that I think Michelle Obama looks like a man with a fluffed hairdo and butt ugly. Ironic, because I always think of Obama a nice looking guy, even if he is a dweeb.

  18. Oh, and I have never thought Jackie “O” hot – not in the least. I never did understand what was appealing about her. I think Caroline is more butt ugly than Michelle Obama butt ugly. I can’t think off hand of a good looking broad for 1st lady either. I went down as many as I could remember…

  19. “You willing to risk your daughter’s future? You want a glimpse of what is coming? Look at Medicare and Medicaid. You think its run so well that you want it forced on every citizen in this country? For once I would like an honest answer and no dodging.”

    I just knew you would dodge, Dodger.

    “Some of you (not Elric) have noted that Obama is taking the right course on this by not taking sides … other than siding with the will of the people of Iran. I agree that this is the way to go.”

    A cowards way. Kinda like when he voted present. Funny though, he has no problem taking sides between Israel and the Palis But a regime thats dragging kids out of their homes and cutting their throats. Oh no, thuggy cant take sides. He is such a friggin coward its pathetic.

    “On a prior post, Elric seemed pleased that the reinstatement of Mahmoud would give Israel the “green light” to go on the offensive. Do you really think Israel taking preemptive action against Iran is a good idea?”

    What would you do? Oh wait, I forgot, you dodge every question I ask. But hell yeah its a good idea. What, you want them to wait til they get nuked? Its not like Iran is being secretive about their ambition to wipe Israel off the map. And now with the thug in chief in charge, who do you think is going to curtail Iran’s ambition to get a nuke?

  20. Rutherford,

    To answer your question about freedom. I have been addicted to nicotine since I was 12 years old. At 12 years, I started smoking even though I knew I was being a complete moron. I quit smoking by using a tobacco product from Sweden (snus) that has low to no incidence of cancer. I will no longer be able to order this product online when this new tobacco bill passes. Other then fake stuff sold in gas stations, you can’t get the real product here. Thousands of people have quit smoking using this product.

    Sure, I could quit cold turkey. So….you and Big Brother can start judging me.

    I’m extremely pissed off about this. This effects my life in a very, very tangible way.

  21. What do you say Rutherford, did McCain ultimately win that debate on foreign policy?

    Name one way the warm and fuzzies have helped American secuirity.

    Europe has offered no help in Afghanistan.

    Venezuela’s Chavez mocked Obama on live television.

    Radical Islamic stink beards tried to blow up Jimmy fricking Carter last week.

    Japanese intelligence is claiming North Korea will be launching a long range ballistic missile in the direction of Hawaii.

    Iran is cutting the throats of westernized liberals. They scrambled Obama’s ass kissing of Islam last week and launched a missal directly after Obama gave a “lets just be cool” speech to Iran this past winter.

    I’m waiting for Obama to sweet talk Kim. Sweet talk the Mullah’s in Iran. Sweet talk Putin.

    The world has become less secure since Obama took office.

  22. seriously…..i’m too ignorant to make sense of why 134 billion dollars

    1. can be faked and moved on the sly
    2. can be real and moved on the sly
    3. the implications for the dollar
    4. what governments are in on this
    5. what the Feds role or reaction to this
    6. would cause the lack of MSM reporting on this

  23. DR,

    I dont know its insane but this is what the thug in chief and his demomarxist comrades want. They want a weak America. Nothing they have done since they have come to power has made America better. Nothing at all. Its sickening that drones like Dodger just go along as the thug in chief is some sort of savior.

  24. Oh no. I NEVER said Obama shouldn’t take sides. I just feel if we get to vocally involved in this over the next 3 or 4 days we could actually weaken the uprising. I only disagree with Elric66 over strategy on this, not ideology.

    Secondly, you are dead wrong about the nature of the demonstrations. Most are not for in this solely for the “moderate”. Go see what they are saying on twitter. It’s amazing, actually. Westerners hooking up the Iranian people with proxies as the Iranian government tries to squash their voice. And, many of the Iranians on twitter, typing from the streets of Terhan, are begging Obama NOT to negotiate with the mad man. Got to youtube and look at who is taking part of these courageous uprisings. Liberals!

    Dude….do some fricking research about the world you live in!!!!

  25. “Could you say ‘senator’ instead of ‘ma’am?’ It’s just a thing. I worked so hard to get that title.”—Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) to Brigadier General Michael Walsh during Senate hearing Tuesday, when he the general repeatedly said, “Yes, ma’am,” and “No, ma’am,”

    I worked so hard to GET that title????
    You were elected, you elitist piece of garbage! That’s how you GOT that. It’s not supposed to be some reward for hard work. What is with these politicians??????

    These female elected democrats are the worst, too. Napoleon complex. Corrupt. Does the moron know that when a General is referring to you as ma’am or sir he is showing respect? To publicly embarrass him like that is crap.

  26. DR,

    We need to speak out vocally. Let these people know we are supporting their cause. Reagen spoke out strongly when Poland rose up against the communists.

    The thug in chief has no problem speaking out against israel.

    Oh and Boxer is a POS like all demomarxists

  27. We, the people, need to speak out. And that is happening on twitter, facebook etc. Our government needs to be a little more guarded. The Iranian government is going to try to blame this whole thing on Zionists and America. We need this uprising to bear fruit, to grow in size. That means a good element of hardcore Islamic types switching sides, particularly in the countryside. Right now this has been only the intelligentsia, urban elite, soccer fans and college kids.

    And I don’t mean be completely quiet. Obama has publicly released noteworthy statements. Besides, I think the proof is in the pudding. This thing isn’t losing steam yet.

    The dynamics of this isn’t a blue print of Solidarity in Poland or Lithuanian uprising in ’90. Islam is a much trickier compared to Communism. We need to be guarded. It’s just words anyways. Are we willing rendezvous with and arm this insurrection, at this point? lol. no.

    However, under no circumstances do we warm up to the Iranian government. All the bull shit Obama talked about when it came to Iran needs to be discarded like the contents of a litter box. Now is the time when he play hard ball. Huge sanctions. No talking. Make it known we are giving Israel the green light.

  28. Elric: That is the last thing we need to do.

    The US has involved itself in Iran’s political business enough times in the past, that those events help feed anti-US sentiments. Heck, we asked Twitter not to go down for scheduled maintenance, and the Iranian powers that be started screaming that we were being too nosey.

    Lest you forget, we have told other people we would support them, and then when the rubber met the road, we left them high and dry. Bay of Pigs and the Iraqi Shi’ites are just a couple examples. We might forget that stuff, but the international community doesn’t.

    Iran will figure it out for themselves. And if they don’t, nothing we say is going to change it. All we would do is give our detractors more credibility.

  29. “and the Iranian powers that be started screaming that we were being too nosey.”

    They are beating and executing ppl for standing up against a thuggish nation. Screw them. I could care less what they think.

    If thuggy can take sides against Israel, he surely can take sides here.

  30. Lots to comment on so I’m gonna be lazy and just refer to comment numbers (sorry … but blockquoting gets old and I’m tired).

    23. Rabbit, you cannot be serious … you have lost the freedom to buy an imported cigarette substitute? You know on second thought, you are right … this puts you right up there with those two female journalists jailed in North Korea. Damn you are oppressed! (One word dude … Nicorette).

    24. With the exception of the alleged attack to blow up Jimmy Carter, none of the things you mention are appreciably different under Obama than under Bush. Now you could therefore argue Obama is not making inroads in his foreign policy but he’s hardly putting us at greater risk. Now I’m not sure I necessarily sign up for this but there are those who say Obama’s Cairo speech emboldened the Iranians to protest in the manner they are protesting now.

    25 and 26. I cannot wrap my mind around the stolen bonds. The incident raises more questions than it answers.

  31. Every now and then I walk away from this forum and when I return I find the inmates are running the asylum.

    They want a weak America.

    Elric, this has got to be one of the dumbest things you or anyone else has ever written in the comments section of this blog. What greatly disappoints me is that Tex and Rabbit read this stuff and just say “okey doke”. Three alternatives come to mind:

    1. Tex and Rabbit fully agree with this tripe, which shows them to be not simply conservative but outright unstable.
    2. Tex and Rabbit read this nonsense silently and chuckle to themselves, thinking Elric a total boob and enjoying the entertainment factor.
    3. Tex and Rabbit know this to be wrong and lack the balls to call Elric on it for fear of losing their anti-Obama conservative street cred.

    Anyone who believes that Obama and those that support his policies, whether foreign or domestic, wants our country to be weak has truly lost their marbles. You can say that Obama is wrong in everything he has done since January 20th and a reasonable debate can be conducted on that. But to say that Obama wants our country to be vulnerable, wants our country to be attacked, wants our children and grandchildren bankrupted is to be off in looney land. Now I can even accept your assessment that the road to hell is paved with good intentions but please do not come on to this blog and state that Obama has evil intentions. That is plain paranoid schizophrenia.

  32. Regarding what our administration should be doing about the Iranian election, Red Pill is right, Elric is wrong.

    One reason I find the whole Iranian situation unclear right now is that, as I said before, I do not know that Mousavi represents that much change from Ahmadinejad. I do not even know that the protesters care as much about the outcome of the election than they care about the obvious rigging of it.

    The only truly interesting outcome that I can see in this conflict is a total overthrow of the theocracy and the establishment of a true democracy in Iran. That’s not likely.

  33. Rabbit, cool your shorts about the Barbara Boxer thing. Whether she “earned” her Senator title or not, clearly she felt that being addressed as “Ma’am” reinforces her feminine status in a potentially condescending way. I fully agree with you that the soldier was being polite. I also agree that Barbara was being a bit defensive. Is it worth your having an aneurysm? No.

  34. Can we also lay to rest this foolishness about Obama siding against Israel?

    Tell me one good reason why Palestinians AND Israelis should not both be able to live in peace? Obama is seeking a solution that allows both parties to live in peace. That is hardly anti-Israel.

  35. “Tell me one good reason why Palestinians AND Israelis should not both be able to live in peace?”

    Hamas. Unlike you, I am man enough to answer unlike some people.

    “Elric, this has got to be one of the dumbest things you or anyone else has ever written in the comments section of this blog.”

    Really? What has he done to strengthen America? And please no platitudes. I can cite numerous examples of how he has weakened America. But then you dodge everything I ask so I expect no response but I ask anyway so ppl see you dodge a simple question once again.

  36. Dude…out of all your comments…the one that pisses me off is the one in which you mocked me about the cigarette substitute. You have no idea how much this is going to effect the quality of my life. I know it sounds stupid. You wouldn’t understand. I’m certainly leaving myself to get ripped on by everyone here. But I swear quitting smoking was a huge deal in my life. I did it via nontraditional means. One senator even brought this up, referring to the exact product I use. I’m a sick ass nicotine addict. I tried everything. EVERYTHING. This is the only thing that worked. The government has no right to trample on my liberty. I don’t care if you or anyone else deems it inconsequential.

  37. Elric: “They are beating and executing ppl for standing up against a thuggish nation. Screw them. I could care less what they think.”

    It’s not about what they think of us. The powers I was speaking of are trying to use us as a propaganda tool. Saying we are meddling is designed to influence the population that is well aware of our prior meddling in their governmental affairs.

    We don’t want to give a single one of these brave folks standing up for their freedom any reason to doubt what they are doing is right. The last thing we want to do is prove the mullahs right by meddling and mouthing off.

    Let Iran figure it out. What can we really say to change anything, anyways? Nothing.

  38. “Saying we are meddling is designed to influence the population that is well aware of our prior meddling in their governmental affairs”

    I remember the last time we didnt “meddle”. That was 1979 when Carter let the Shah fall. And besides, the Iranian government will say we are meddling whether we do or not.

  39. “But to say that Obama wants our country to be vulnerable, wants our country to be attacked, wants our children and grandchildren bankrupted is to be off in looney land.”

    Well he is either very evil or very stupid. Which is it?

  40. Elric: “Hamas….”

    While that is certainly a valid point, I would point out that the status que up to now has not produced a different result. Hamas is a pain in the ass.

    So how does changing the direction hurt anything? Do you really think Hamas can topple Israel, under ANY circumstances?

    The worst that can happen is that Hamas continues to be the pain they have always been. And the best that can happen is that through successful peace, they lose credibility, and in turn, political viability.

    I would also point out that the latest offer from Bibi still has Israel getting all of Jerusalem. As I have said, Palestinians will never agree to this. Ever.

    There will never be peace in that region as long as Jerusalem is part of the equasion. It’s time to do the world a favor and either make it an autonomous state, or level it and salt the Earth it lies on, like the Romans should have done 2,000 years ago.

  41. Elric: “I remember the last time we didnt “meddle”. That was 1979 when Carter let the Shah fall. ”

    You don’t know what you are talking about for multiple reasons.

    There was not a damn thing we could have done to prevent the Shah from being run out of Iran in 1978. We had pumped money and weapons into Iran that the Shah was using to keep his people in line, and to stem the flow of Soviet influence into the Middle East.

    What else do you think we could have done, that the Shah couldn’t have done? he could have killed every protester in the country if he wanted to. We gave him the muscle to do it. He saw thw writing on the wall, and saw it was time to leave.

    Not to mention, the Shah had cancer, and was dead by the middle of 1980. Do you think his candy-ass son was ready to take over then? Give me a break.

  42. Go 1 further, and picture the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988) with Saddam Hussein vs. Little Reza Pahlavi—The teenager who lived his life as a pampered royal prince.

    We could still be dealing with a very powerful Saddam Hussein that controlled all of Iraq and Iran, and a good portion of the world’s oil, if we lived in your world.

  43. Yeah, I knew Rutherford would defend that piece of garbage.

    Any one who has served has heard the phrase “military bearing “. That general was showing the utmost respect, the military way. He was doing it EXACTLY how each and everyone of us have been trained to.

    She took a swipe at every member of the military when she did that and she knew it.

    Fine. I’m over that part.

    What makes practically want to dry heave is that she claims that her little royal title is some kind just dessert. That it’s is her due and proper because of her awesomeness. Fuck her and every politician, Republican or Democrat, who forget why they are there. She can suck the Rabbit…..ok I’ll stop

  44. Rutherford: “Now I’m not sure I necessarily sign up for this but there are those who say Obama’s Cairo speech emboldened the Iranians to protest in the manner they are protesting now.”

    This is garbage. Don’t sign up for it. These Iranians protesting are much too nationalistic to give 2 shits about what Barack Obama says.

  45. I can cite numerous examples of how he has weakened America. But then you dodge everything I ask so I expect no response but I ask anyway so ppl see you dodge a simple question once again.

    Elric, who’s dodging now? Your claim was “they want to make America weak”. Your claim explicitly implies evil intent on the part of Obama and his supporters. To sidestep the paranoia that I busted you on, you now challenge me to cite how Obama has made us stronger but you don’t acknowledge the original accusation, namely that you are talking like a far-right-nutjob.

    And you know what? I can deal with your assessment that Obama is stupid. I don’t agree but at least then we’re not dealing with this “government is the enemy” approach that winds up getting guards killed at museums.

    When folks like you start from the premise that our government wants to hurt us, there can be no reasonable debate nor any reasonable solutions to our problems other than a coup d’etat and an entirely new governmental system. Is that what you are advocating? I’m sure YOU’ll dodge that question.

  46. I’m not going to defend Hamas here BUT I do find it interesting that Elric in one breath condemns Hamas but ignores the fact that it was Hamas that supposedly saved Jimmy Carter’s ass last week when there was a supposed plot to blow him up … a plot that Elric enlightened me to.

    Then again, Elric probably would have liked to have seen Carter blown up so maybe that’s just one more reason for him to dislike Hamas. 👿

  47. Regarding Boxer … Rabbit you have obviously never worked with a defensive paranoid woman. I have. Boxer was operating from her own insecurity, which is very odd to me since I’ve always found her to be very grounded. So, I’m not defending her … just pointing out that her response should not have overly surprised you.

  48. “Elric, who’s dodging now? Your claim was “they want to make America weak”. Your claim explicitly implies evil intent on the part of Obama and his supporters. To sidestep the paranoia that I busted you on, you now challenge me to cite how Obama has made us stronger but you don’t acknowledge the original accusation, namely that you are talking like a far-right-nutjob.”

    Answer my question that I asked repeatily Dodger

  49. “I’m not going to defend Hamas here BUT I do find it interesting that Elric in one breath condemns Hamas but ignores the fact that it was Hamas that supposedly saved Jimmy Carter’s ass last week when there was a supposed plot to blow him up … a plot that Elric enlightened me to.”

    Dhimmi Carter is a strong ally of Hamas and a useful idiot for them. Though I find it hard to believe a jihadist would want to blow him up in the first place.

  50. See what I mean guys? He dodges and dodges. I asked a simple question at #4 and he just dodges it. Is it that difficult a question to answer? Maybe it is for an Obama drone.

  51. North Korea has been acting worse ever since Obama was elected. Yeah, they’ve been bad before, but the Japanese intelligence are claiming they are now planning to shoot missal at Hawaii on the 4th of July, for God’s sake.

    Iran has been the same. They have responded to all of Obama’s kind words with nothing but scorn. Meanwhile, they come closer to having a nuke every day, which makes us worse off.

    McCain said that Obama would get nowhere with these nations. He was right.

    It’s just too bad we don’t have the time for Obama’s social global experiment.

    War in the middle east by 2011.

  52. Elric, despite the fact that you have dodged my right-wing-nutjob accusation … I’ve seen this play out before on Alfie’s blog where you ask ask ask and never answer …. it should be clear from my statements that I don’t have a crystal ball concerning health care.

    Do I want to risk my daughter’s future? Of course not. But we have risks regardless of our direction. While I question the premise that a “public option” will increase competitiveness, a friend of mine reminded me that under many employers there is no competition right now. You get offered one health care plan, and that is it. At least at the company I once worked for, you got a choice of several providers. Forcing every company to offer “the public option” might cause some insurance companies to stop acting like monopolies and start competing for customers.

    This much we know, the status quo does not work. What’s your alternative Elric? Don’t know why I’m asking. You don’t provide alternatives, just quotes from Jihadwatch (the Robert Spencer groupie site) and references to Obama as a thug.

  53. Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s Friday warningto protestors to stop their demonstrations in the streets — a speech where he warned opposition leaders they would be “responsible for bloodshed and chaos” — will not change President Obama’s policy of avoiding expressing strong partisan support for the demonstrators, senior administration officials said Friday.

  54. No doubt about it. The uprising in Iran has shown Obama’s game plan to be utterly mistaken. These uprisings are embarrassing to the administration. Basically, the Iranian people are risking life and limb to do what the leader of the world’s most powerful nation declared he wouldn’t do. Stand up for what is right. Bush was right about Iran. The government is evil and must be treated as such. Not compromise. Not “give a little-get a little”. This is a nation capable of obliterating Israel with nuclear weapons, have point blank threatened to do so at the very same time they gain this weaponry. Iran is evil because Iran is evil. Not because of some “tone” Bush took with them. Bush was and is right about how to deal with Iran.

    Right now we are witnessing a great game of chicken in Iran, except it’s no game. The Iranian people appear not to be flinching.

    Are we?

    I still stick to my guns to a point. I think the administration should tread carefully. Obama is correct. We don’t want to give the corrupt and savage leadership fodder. This must appear to the entire world as home grown, grass roots Iranian revolution.

    However, this shit is coming to a head. Will Obama be able to swallow his pride? Will he concede that is world view is wrong? One problem I do have with Obama’s public statement is the way he characterized these uprisings as simply a political faction pissed off their guy illegally lost and election. Of course Rutherford, spoon fed as always, is doing nothing but parroting this crap. Heaven forbid he takes a sniff with his own nose. This is the information revolution, baby. I’ve talked to people in Tehran. I’m reading their reports real time. This shit is for freedom!

    If the Iranian government slaughters its people, and they might by the end of the weekend, Obama better be ready to lead the world like a man. Not some pansy intellectual in a coffee shop.

    I understand Elric’s proactive argument. I even believe there is a certain amount of cowardice on the administration’s part with this. Like I said earlier, this is embarrassing for them. However, up to this point, the cowardice of Obama is also in synch with what’s best for the Iranian uprising. Even a broken watch is correct once a day.

    All bets are off if this thing turns uglier.

  55. I know I’m kind of repeating myself with this stuff, but one more thing. The uprising does not appear to be losing steam. Proof that Obama is no way is “hurting” the rebellion. As I said before, proof is in the pudding. As we speak, they have climbed up the roofs of Tehran and screaming Allahu Akbar! in defiance. They are not quoting Patrick Henry, Tomas Paine or Remember the Alamo. This is their thing. They do not need some kind of college football half time speech from Obama.

    What Obama should be doing right now is sitting down at a table and hashing out a way to skull fuck the Iranian government with the worst sanctions imaginable. Not rehearsing a “give me liberty or give me death speech.”

  56. 1. Tex and Rabbit fully agree with this tripe, which shows them to be not simply conservative but outright unstable.
    2. Tex and Rabbit read this nonsense silently and chuckle to themselves, thinking Elric a total boob and enjoying the entertainment factor.
    3. Tex and Rabbit know this to be wrong and lack the balls to call Elric on it for fear of losing their anti-Obama conservative street cred.

    😆

    Rutherford, you remember when you said how happy you were that Curator showed up? What goes around, comes around. 😉
    ——————————–

    Can we also lay to rest this foolishness about Obama siding against Israel?

    The Jews of Israel love Big O so much, I saw an article today where a whopping 6% gave him The Bomba favorable numbers. Guess they know something you don’t Rutherford. The first being smart enough to see through the bullshit. 🙂

  57. lol…….Farfur needs to be water boarded.

    So true though. Anyone thinking an Israeli Palestinian peace is even remotely possible right now is living in the clouds. The Palestinians are in a de facto war with themselves. Not to mention one side is corrupt and the other frothing, jihadist savages.

    The neo-con philosophy was a fricking disaster in Gaza. (Elections). I blame Bush for that one.

    Yeah, Hamas saved Carter this week. But that’s only because Hamas is beefing with Al Queda.

  58. “Tex and Rabbit know this to be wrong and lack the balls to call Elric on it for fear of losing their anti-Obama conservative street cred.”

    They know Im right as usual Dodger.

  59. Disgustingly, I’m addicted to Rutherford. Where are you hiding? Maybe you took Rabbit’s advice and are cramming in the library reading a comprehensive history of Persia. I had no tournaments this weekend. I need my chew toy.

  60. Elric,
    You really ought to reconsider your sources. One calls itself culling news from “the bowels of the internet” and the other is appropriately named Hot Air.

    Your latest citation is so silly it’s hardly worth addressing but since it looks like you need a reminder, let me help you:

    Obama is not President of Iran. Iran can entirely go up in flames and believe it or not, life in America goes on … people (including the President himself) still go out for ice cream.

    You can’t do any better than this?

  61. Where are you hiding?

    Glad you’re addicted, Rabbit. As for me, kind of a busy day yesterday. Kid got her first gymnastics trophy to commemorate a full year of attendance. (Yes, guys, it was one of those “everybody is a winner” type deals. I can live with that. Eventually, if she wants to, she’ll compete and learn that everyone is NOT a winner.)

    Then, with the wife under the weather, I took kid out to store to buy a Webkinz stuffed animal with her allowance money. (Webkinz is one of the many delights you have to look forward to Rabbit.)

    Finished the day with poker night with the neighborhood guys. Sort of a pre-Father’s Day celebration. (At poker night, the subject of Barbara Boxer came up … Rabbit you’ll be pleased to know I shared your outrage with the gang, almost verbatim.)

    So, no I’ve not been boning up on my Farsi, sorry to say.

    By the way, to all you fathers out there (I know Tex is one) a very Happy Father’s Day! 😀

  62. “Obama is not President of Iran. Iran can entirely go up in flames and believe it or not, life in America goes on … people (including the President himself) still go out for ice cream.”

    But yet he seeks to push Israel around. He also thought he was president of the muslim world when he pandered in Cairo. He was all giddy when he thought his speech made an effect when it looked like the so called moderate won. So please dont sell me your BS.

  63. ‘Norman Thomas’ Quote

    “The American people will never knowingly
    adopt Socialism. But under the name of
    ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of
    the Socialist program, until one day
    America will be a Socialist nation,
    without knowing how it happened.”

    Remember that Dodger and stop being a drone

  64. Rutherford,

    I’m glad you are adopting to Rabbit’s persona and arguments in order to hang with the boys. Anything I can do to stop the yuppy emasculation that’s taking place in that 3000 square ft energy hog is cool with me. Be careful though, you keep this up and they might invite you to go hunting or something.

    Tex….R…..happy father’s day!

  65. Thank you “R”. A Happy Father’s Day to you too, to the Rabbit for the upcoming Father’s Day (catch up on your sleep), and anybody else that posts here who happens to have someone calling them Dad, Pops, Daddy, or a host of other names.

    Fathers are far more important to the good and the bad in the world then given credit.

    I consider it an honor to be one.

  66. Elric, you really are grasping for straws today aren’t you (ice cream trips and baseball cards)? I’ll chalk it up to your being distracted by Father’s Day celebrations. Hope your day was a good one.

  67. No Im not Dodger. But you know that. You just cant defend the thug in chief. Even though his poll numbers drop even more everyday because ppl are waking up to what they elected.

  68. Can anyone wiser than I about the health care system decipher this closing paragraph from the article just posted by Elric?

    The New York Times and others have quoted studies claiming that private insurance has failed to contain costs as well as Medicare. Such studies are deeply misleading, for they omit any consideration of out-of-pocket spending, thereby neglecting a major shift in the private health care market.

    Perhaps this statement makes no sense out of the context of the article, but I don’t get it even in context. Can anyone explain what the author might be getting at here? (Elric, care to give it a try?)

  69. I don’t know what side this helps but the reality is that Medicare has obviously experienced cost increases over the years. Also many if not most of Medicare patients have other costs which perhaps are counted under the government flag thus perverting the data available for the private side.

  70. Rutherford: Here’s the translation…

    Some with political agendas cite studies that claim private insurance can’t keep down costs as well as Medicare can. But those studies are for crap, because they don’t account for the out-of-pocket spending required when one uses Medicare.

    Which means that nobody is counting the money grandma has to spend on stuff that Medicare won’t cover when they are bean-counting the cost of Medicare.

  71. I’ll tell you two indisputable facts about Medicare that people with their heads in the sand apparently don’t realize.

    (1) It will be for the most part broke in less than 10 years.

    (2) Many doctors refuse to take new Medicare patients because their own reimbursements have actually been decreased again (I think that makes 4 times in 10 years) and they are taking huge losses.

    Some physicians have actually had enough and chose retirement rather than continue with government funded reimbursed health care. And since we are already suffering from too few doctors, I would like some lib to explain to me why Medicare would be posited as some raving success? I would call it a disaster in the making.

    Kind of like Social Security – a Ponzi scheme.

  72. Tex,

    Facts dont matter to drones like Dodger. I asked him why he thinks national health care would be such a great idea when Medicare and Medicaid are a disaster. Dodger being Dodger never answered. Why doesnt the thug in chief fix Medicare and Medicaid instead of pushing this disaster on all of us? Is that too much to ask?

    Of course we know the answer. He wants to ruin this country as fast as he can. Always in a hurry to push some disaster to weaken America.

  73. My father-in-law is high up in the Teamsters. He told me Hoffa fired off a letter to Obama bashing government health care. Unions aren’t down with it. Middle class isn’t down with it. Upper class isn’t down with it. The reality of the funding makes it impossible. The repercussions of government health care would be felt at the polls for 50 years. According to the ideas that they are kicking around right now, do you guys realize how bad people like me with blue cross/blue shield will be screwed over?

    Guess what, health care aint happening.

    Thank God.

  74. “do you guys realize how bad people like me with blue cross/blue shield will be screwed over?”

    Thats their plan. At least 2 demomarxists are on record saying that they eventually want a single payer plan. They want every citizen dependent on the government for their healthcare. Once they have that, they control you.

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