A Wise Republican Once Said …

I stumbled upon a quote today that struck me as particularly apropos with respect to our current state of affairs.

Though force can protect in emergency, only justice, fairness, consideration and cooperation can finally lead men to the dawn of eternal peace. -Dwight D. Eisenhower, U.S. general and 34th president (1890-1969)

And this from a military man to boot. So, when and where did the Republicans go wrong?

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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11 thoughts on “A Wise Republican Once Said …

  1. Where Republicans went wrong is when they lost to Bill Clinton. Which leads to another quote.

    After Allah honored us with victory in Afghanistan, and justice prevailed and the killing of those who slaughtered millions of Muslims in the Muslim republics, it cleared from Muslim minds the myth of superpowers. The youth ceased from seeing America as a superpower. After leaving Afghanistan they headed for Somalia and prepared for a long battle, thinking that the Americans were like the Russians, but they were surprised when the Americans entered with 300,000 troops, and collected more troops from the world — 5,000 from Pakistan, 5,000 from India, 5,000 from Bangladesh, 5,000 from Egypt, Senegal and others like Saudi Arabia.

    The youth were surprised at the low morale of the American soldiers and realized more than before that the America soldiers are paper tigers. After a few blows, they ran in defeat and America forgot about all the hoopla and media propaganda after leaving the Gulf War and destroying infrastructure — and destroying baby formula factories, all civilian factories, bridges and dams that help planting food — about being the world leader, and the leader of the new world order. After a few blows, they forgot about this title and left, dragging their corpses and their shameful defeat and stopped using such titles. And they learned in America that this name is larger then them.

    When this took place, I was in Sudan, and this great defeat pleased me very much, the way it pleases all Muslims.

    Allah willing the next victory will be in Hejaz and Najd, Saudi Arabia, and it will make the Americans forget the horrors of Vietnam and Beirut.

    -OSAMA BIN LADEN

    Many of us recognize that there are still “emergencies” in our midst. And “fairness, consideration and cooperation” won’t work when dealing with the likes of Osama Bin Laden, Russia, or Iran.

    That is not to say that force is required to deal with all who threaten us. But without the convincing threat of force, we left ourselves open to be attacked on our own soil, just as we have found ourselves in the current situation with Russia.

    “[F]airness, consideration and cooperation” will work in a perfect world where everyone plays the same game by the same rules. But that isn’t the world we find ourselves in today. And until that changes, our doing so will only perpetuate our percieved weakness that opens us up to future “emergencies.”

  2. Rutherford,

    You and I live in different worlds. I don’t think you grasp the measure of that difference.

    Of course, there are regional differences amplified by our choice of friends and associates. Our disparate values and priorities cloud or illuminate events and reports.

    More important than that, however, our basic data sets are different now. Beginning with Rush Limbaugh’s selection of news to comment on, through the creation of Fox news network, to now — the era of the Internet — that gap between our worlds has widened to a Gulf. We are actually alien to each other.

    When and where did the Republicans go wrong? Walking strictly in my world, I wouldn’t have a clue what you are talking about. I would ask “what is it about this quote that Democrats despise so much that they are driven to nigh bloodlust in their rejection of it?”

    Fortunately, I know the problem.

    I do try to get news from your world. It is a dark and sad place, full of conspiracy. The environment is destroyed. The leaders of the United States have been effectively monarchs for over 50 years, and now a usurper sits on the throne. Every human organization and mechanism purported to sustain, comfort, and entertain you is actually bent on your enslavement and destruction. Mankind has taken the first steps to the divergence of Morlock from you, the Eloi.

    The manner in which you phrase the question assumes that Republicans are to be spoken about, not with. You’re not going to learn anything with its answer. A Liberal would proffer a guess with unjustified confidence and, lacking context, you wouldn’t understand the answer of a Conservative at all.

  3. Rutherford after this quote was made…
    1. Democrat majority Congress and two D’s in the Oval sent us to Vietnam and the Cold War.
    2.Certain anniversary of a couple of days in October mean anything to anyone ?
    3.Bush I lead a an international coalition in Iraq v.1.0
    4.Nixon(R) = SALT Reagan(R) = START.
    I saw somewhere else recently someone commenting on Eisenhower and how Repubs that followed lacked something. I said it then I’ll say it now. Ike was a populist that had a laissez faire admin and failed to address some crucial issues such as race that a populist could have. The Conservative movement of Reagan is head and shoulders above the country club GOP of Ike.

  4. Alfie, you sorta proved my point. If I’m not mistaken, Truman (a Dem) got us into Korea, Ike (a Rep) got us out. Kennedy (a Dem) got us into Vietnam, Nixon (a Rep) got us out. Nixon made major diplomatic initiatives with our red enemies China and the Soviet Union. Bush and his doppelganger McCain want to shoot at anything that breathes. The Democrats are now the picture of restraint and diplomacy. So again, I ask you, where did the Republicans go wrong?

    Red Pill, your Bin Laden quote unintentionally defeats your point. “…after leaving the Gulf War and destroying infrastructure — and destroying baby formula factories, all civilian factories, bridges and dams that help planting food…” The terrorists are not the delusional psychotics you make them out to be. They have a gripe. Perhaps a valid gripe. Is their method of dealing with it the right one? Of course not but isn’t it so easy for you to paint them as lunatics rather than use diplomatic methods that might make them hate the USA a bit less?

    Rigorist, what makes you say that “Democrats despise [this quote] so much that they are driven to nigh blood lust in their rejection of it?” I think most Democrats would agree with Eisenhower’s comment. You are right that our data sets are different. Despite his pontificating, I would take my data stream from Keith Olbermann any day over Rush Limbaugh.

    My world is not a dark sad place at all. In fact I welcome you to step into the light where men are men, all possessing good and evil. Where no one based on religion or political persuasion has a monopoly on terror. Where we straighten up our own house before criticizing others. In my world the sun shines so bright that even the sleepy apathetic young voter is now wide awake and running to the polls to elect Barack Obama. We are seeing the dawning of a new day where we reject fear, embrace hope and move our country forward in a meaningful way.

  5. “The terrorists are not the delusional psychotics you make them out to be.”

    I don’t really have anything to say about this. I just wanted to put it up there so nobody would miss it. I think the comment says more than I ever could about what is wrong with the liberal mindset.

    And you are also either completely missing my points, or simply ignoring them.

    Bill Clinton and his liberal supporters helped make Osama Bin Laden the man he is today. Here is how…

    “The youth were surprised at the low morale of the American soldiers and realized more than before that the America soldiers are paper tigers. After a few blows, they ran in defeat and America forgot about all the hoopla and media propaganda after leaving the Gulf War….After a few blows, they forgot about this title and left, dragging their corpses and their shameful defeat….

    When this took place, I was in Sudan, and this great defeat pleased me very much, the way it pleases all Muslims.”

    Osama is referring to the Battle of Mogadishu. (Blackhawk Down)

    But Osama was wrong. It wasn’t the morale of US troops that was low, it was the morale of the liberal US people who couldn’t stomach seeing the brutality of war on CNN while they ate breakfast. They saw our dead troops being dragged through the streets of Mogadishu, and they didn’t demand the heads of those responsible. Instead they demanded that we get the hell out of there. And that is just what we did less than 3 weeks later.

    Today, the nation of Somalia is in absolute anarchy where chaos and warlords reign supreme, and millions continue to starve.

    You argue that Bush I gave the terorists cause. But it was Clinton gave them resolve. And a cause is nothing unless you think you have even a slim a chance of succeeding. Certainly you can acknowledge the power of “Hope.” That is exactly what Bill Clinton’s spinelessness gave to Al Qaeda. Hope that the paper tiger would cut and run after its nose was bloodied in Iraq.

    And that is exactly what liberals would have had us do in 2006. If you want to know what Iraq would look like had that happened, you have but to look at Somalia today.

    My second point, which was really the meat of it all, was that we still live in a world full of potential “emergencies.” That is not to say that Ike is wrong. What is wrong is the time and world you believe it is applying to. It is not here and it is not now.

  6. Bush and his doppelganger McCain want to shoot at anything that breathes. The Democrats are now the picture of restraint and diplomacy.

    Neither of those statements are true.I am of the opinion that the space I would need to illustrate that is beyond the privilege of a commenter. Suffice to say neither the D’s or R’s are taking the correct tact against Russia,Iran and a list of other nations and that includes your beloved Obama.
    To directly answer your question i’d say that Bush 2 underestimated the fallout of deciding to take a decisive stand against radical Islam. Islamism just to get the picture of “ism” on the table needed to be confronted. Bush 2 failed to learn the lesson his daddy could’ve ably given re: the nature of coalitions and cowards.
    Reagan had excellent coalitions although one may bicker if they were ultimately with the right people.I just threw that in since in your follow up you acknowledged the lesser (R)’s
    I have to say the Dems ESPECIALLY Obama offer nothing to make me believe better decisions are in the wings from the (D)’s.

  7. The problem is that many Republicans have over-simplified everything to fit into cute little soundbites.

    The other major problem is that short-term gains have become the focus of every President. This is why fiscal policy is such a disaster — no one thinks long-term.

    In terms of force and justice … of course, Pres. Eisenhower was right on. But wisdom like that doesn’t make the same kind of short-term gains. Skilled and competent diplomacy takes years and hard work, and being willing to accept setbacks. Footage of bombs falling in night-vision is more exciting.

    If RedPill is going to quote selectively, I think that it’s worth putting Rutherford’s quote back in context:

    {{The terrorists are not the delusional psychotics you make them out to be. They have a gripe. Perhaps a valid gripe. Is their method of dealing with it the right one? Of course not but isn’t it so easy for you to paint them as lunatics rather than use diplomatic methods that might make them hate the USA a bit less?}}

    Wasn’t Eisenhower the guy who warned about the “military-industrial complex” and the fear that money will motivate wars? Hmmm … The man had a lot going for him.

  8. @Wickle
    The current breed of terrorists are not open to diplomacy. They are stateless entities pursuing the perverted goals of a theologic utopia of their own design and imagination.They are truly delusional since they only gain and maintain power through violence. They hate the USA not because of the number of talking points linked to envy but out of pure hate that we’re in their world.
    If you want to credit say Venezuela,N.Korea and Iran with a worthiness to pursue diplomacy I’ll stand with you but as for the jihadists of Islamism -no.

  9. Alfie,

    There’s also a difference between the hard-core terrorist and the potential recruits.

    No, nothing is going to win over an Osama bin-Ladin, for example. However, he can’t do much on his own. He needs recruits to do his real work. Why, do you think, are people really willing to kill themselves?

    There’s a whole phenomenon involved here — and it’s akin to the rise of the Ku Klux Klan during Reconstruction in the US, the rise of Nazism after the brutal post-WWI period, and such. You can also see it if you look at the failure of the “werewolves” in post-WWII Germany. There were hard-core, real believers, but not enough followers to make it matter, and the effort fizzled out.

    Pres. Eisenhower was talking about lasting peace, which requires long-term solutions. Looking with tunnel vision at one group of villains and pretending that we have no idea why someone might get violent isn’t helpful, and it’s not working toward long-term peace.

  10. A major shout out to Wickle. “Evil” leaders (Hitler, Bin Laden) don’t gain any traction with a content, satisfied population. They prey on the mood of the times. Germany was screwed over after WWI and its population was ripe for exploitation by a racist madman. Bin Laden similarly preys on the insecurities of his followers. America must focus on addressing the concerns of the population that is stirred by Bin Laden. The fight against terrorism is as much a fight for the hearts and minds of the oppressed as it is a military one. Bush/Cheney/McCain don’t get that.

    Similarly, the only reason our country has tolerated an ill advised war against Iraq and our current unofficial torture policy, is that Bush and Cheney were able to advocate an immoral foreign policy to a frightened, insecure, post-9/11 population.

  11. America must focus on addressing the concerns of the population that is stirred by Bin Laden. The fight against terrorism is as much a fight for the hearts and minds of the oppressed as it is a military one.

    Does that mean regime change in places like Yemen,Egypt and Bahrain ?

    Why, do you think, are people really willing to kill themselves?

    Because they really are True believers Wickle.

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