Various and Sundry

The CBO Findings-A Window into Party Perception

Let me start by saying I haven’t read the CBO report which states the ACA’s impact on future employment. All I’ve heard is the spin from both sides and it’s the spin that fascinates me.

Liberals say the CBO finding is good news. It means people will no longer be shackled to jobs they hate for fear of losing their health insurance. Conservatives say the ACA will provide yet another nanny state disincentive to work, proven by the CBO projections. I ask what is the more realistic and optimistic view?

Let’s talk reality. To afford even a heavily subsidized insurance premium people will have to work. This notion of folks just sitting back and not working doesn’t jibe with the realities of day to day life. But let’s also consider the optimistic vs pessimistic view of the American people. For all their patriotic screams of his-boom-ba, conservatives seem to view the American people as shiftless lazy loafers who will use any excuse not to work. What else could explain their reaction to the CBO report?

We WANT an economy in which number of jobs exceeds number of job seekers. It leads to lower unemployment and greater incentive for companies to make jobs more attractive to an employment pool that can now afford to be choosy. What could possibly be bad about a population that works for the joy of it and not because their health insurance is not portable?

I have to ask my conservative friends when we talk about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, what about that last one do you not understand?

The Limits of Executive Power

Conservative leaders recently said they were reticent about going forward on immigration reform because they couldn’t trust the President to execute the law as passed. Normally I’d dismiss this as Republican excuse making but this time it made me stop and think. Obama has been explicit in his intent to do as much without Congress as possible. This makes any constitutionalist rightfully quake in their boots.

Here’s the catch. I believe our founders envisioned a Congress where matters were debated and progress coupled with compromise was achieved. I don’t believe they imagined the Boehner House, the least productive in recent history or the McConnell minority in the Senate making unprecedented use of the filibuster to stall legislation. What would they say is the obligation of the executive faced with the abject failure of the legislative?

I don’t share the sky is falling view of my more conservative friends. If Obama’s acts truly violate the constitution to a criminal extent then by all means he should be impeached. I believe in the long haul justice prevails. In fact a trial of Obama would be intersecting from this perspective.

From what I understand charges against Andrew Johnson were largely trumped up. Nixon faced impeachment for covering up a burglary. Clinton was tried for covering up a blow job. A trial of Obama would put to the test the true limits of executive power not involving petty crime and sexual scandal.

I’m not sure if Obama is overstepping his bounds. I am sure that Congress by neglect of their own duties has opened the door to greater executive authority. If they want to stop Obama they need to positively legislate, not simply oppose.

Why I’m (Almost) Through With MSNBC

Ahh I miss the old thrill I would get from a self righteous Keith Olbermannn speech. He could cover so much ground and scorch all the conservative patches of it. His only true obsession besides sports was his nemesis Bill O’Reilly. To watch primetime MSNBC the past few weeks you’d think the most vital issue in America today was New Jersey Bridgegate.

My conservative friends laugh at me and mock me because I considered MSNBC a fair source of commentary especially when compared to Fox News. Now they have every right to jeer. This Christie coverage is a transparent attempt to discredit the only credible rival to a Hillary Clinton 2016 candidacy. I’m not saying Christie’s record should not be scrutinized but the MSNBC coverage is way over the top.

Sadly, the network no longer stirs the fires in my political loins. I watch it now more for pure entertainment and by habit. There are nights when I’d just as soon watch the Food Network.

Enough About Hate Crimes

Let’s start with a simple thought experiment.

A black man is deliberately killed by a white man who hates black people.

A black man is deliberately killed by a white member of the NAACP.

Which black man is more dead?

This past week I heard yet another conjecture about whether the recent murder of a black man was a “hate crime”. I don’t remember the details and it doesn’t matter. The whole concept is absurd. It is based on the nutty liberal concept that you can legislate people into loving and accepting each other.

The surest way to turn a bigot into a bigger bigot is to self righteously lecture him about his beliefs. Hearts and minds don’t change via punishment. The hate crime distinction is actually counter productive in changing hearts and minds.

Intentional murder is intentional murder. Punish the crime. For the hate, you just have to wait for the bigots to die off and the younger generation to come along. We see examples of that progress every day.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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808 thoughts on “Various and Sundry

  1. 2 million less jobs =less production= less tax revenue.

    Libs won’t cut the government ever. Either will Republicans…….fuck.

    Yeah…its awesome. Working for love maaaaaan.

    Wonder who the libs will come after next to pay for this?….. Lets see…an epi pen…..already got that….mmmmmmm…..got to be something more the middle class will cough up…the young people…….no…..we took all they have, their health………

    wooooo…..how about the Roth IRA? Those stupid savers……change the law…..

    the dirty rich…that’s it….the rich…and we can then ax another 2 million people not working for love……

    Oh shit.

    2 million less jobs =less production= less tax revenue.

    Libs won’t cut the government ever. Either will Republicans…….fuck.

    Yeah…its awesome. Working for love maaaaaan.

    Wonder who the libs will come after next to pay for this?….. Lets see…an epi pen…..already got that….mmmmmmm…..got to be something more the middle class will cough up…the young people…….no…..we took all they have, their health………

    wooooo…..how about the Roth IRA? Those stupid savers……change the law…..

    the dirty rich…that’s it….the rich…and we can then ax another 2 million people not working for love……

    Oh shit.

    2 million less jobs =less production= less tax revenue.

    Libs won’t cut the government ever. Either will Republicans…….fuck.

    Yeah…its awesome. Working for love maaaaaan.

    Wonder who the libs will come after next to pay for this?….. Lets see…an epi pen…..already got that….mmmmmmm…..got to be something more the middle class will cough up…the young people…….no…..we took all they have, their health………

    wooooo…..how about the Roth IRA? Those stupid savers……change the law…..

    the dirty rich…that’s it….the rich…and we can then ax another 2 million people not working for love……

    Oh shit.

    2 million less jobs =less production= less tax revenue.

    Libs won’t cut the government ever. Either will Republicans…….fuck.

    Yeah…its awesome. Working for love maaaaaan.

    Wonder who the libs will come after next to pay for this?….. Lets see…an epi pen…..already got that….mmmmmmm…..got to be something more the middle class will cough up…the young people…….no…..we took all they have, their health………

    wooooo…..how about the Roth IRA? Those stupid savers……change the law…..

    the dirty rich…that’s it….the rich…and we can then ax another 2 million people not working for love……

    Oh shit.

    2 million less jobs =less production= less tax revenue.

    Libs won’t cut the government ever. Either will Republicans…….fuck.

    Yeah…its awesome. Working for love maaaaaan.

    Wonder who the libs will come after next to pay for this?….. Lets see…an epi pen…..already got that….mmmmmmm…..got to be something more the middle class will cough up…the young people…….no…..we took all they have, their health………

    wooooo…..how about the Roth IRA? Those stupid savers……change the law…..

    the dirty rich…that’s it….the rich…and we can then ax another 2 million people not working for love……

    Oh shit.

    2 million less jobs =less production= less tax revenue.

    Libs won’t cut the government ever. Either will Republicans…….fuck.

    Yeah…its awesome. Working for love maaaaaan.

    Wonder who the libs will come after next to pay for this?….. Lets see…an epi pen…..already got that….mmmmmmm…..got to be something more the middle class will cough up…the young people…….no…..we took all they have, their health………

    wooooo…..how about the Roth IRA? Those stupid savers……change the law…..

    the dirty rich…that’s it….the rich…and we can then ax another 2 million people not working for love……

    Oh shit.

    2 million less jobs =less production= less tax revenue.

    Libs won’t cut the government ever. Either will Republicans…….fuck.

    Yeah…its awesome. Working for love maaaaaan.

    Wonder who the libs will come after next to pay for this?….. Lets see…an epi pen…..already got that….mmmmmmm…..got to be something more the middle class will cough up…the young people…….no…..we took all they have, their health………

    wooooo…..how about the Roth IRA? Those stupid savers……change the law…..

    the dirty rich…that’s it….the rich…and we can then ax another 2 million people not working for love……

    Oh shit.

    2 million less jobs =less production= less tax revenue.

    Libs won’t cut the government ever. Either will Republicans…….fuck.

    Yeah…its awesome. Working for love maaaaaan.

    Wonder who the libs will come after next to pay for this?….. Lets see…an epi pen…..already got that….mmmmmmm…..got to be something more the middle class will cough up…the young people…….no…..we took all they have, their health………

    wooooo…..how about the Roth IRA? Those stupid savers……change the law…..

    the dirty rich…that’s it….the rich…and we can then ax another 2 million people not working for love……

    Oh shit.

  2. “Liberals say the CBO finding is good news. It means people will no longer be shackled to jobs they hate for fear of losing their health insurance. Conservatives say the ACA will provide yet another nanny state disincentive to work, proven by the CBO projections. I ask what is the more realistic and optimistic view?”

    If this is the liberal view, then it defies even the most basic of reasoning skills.

    If the CBO report were simply saying people would not be shackled to jobs they hate, then it would have said the ACA will cause up to 2.5 million people to change jobs.

    But that isn’t what it says.

    It says the ACA will take 2.5 million people out of the workforce.

    Let me repeat that for you….

    OUT OF THE WORKFORCE

    What other conclusion can be drawn, other than, the CBO is saying the ACA will provide 2.5 million people with a reason to no longer work?

    You can assign YOUR interpretation of what the conservative position is all you want. But the report says what it says…and what it says does not reflect what you say liberals think it says.

  3. “I don’t believe they imagined the Boehner House, the least productive in recent history or the McConnell minority in the Senate making unprecedented use of the filibuster to stall legislation.”

    You’ve already admitted that you have never read the Federalist Papers, so you are not qualified to speculate on what the Framers did and did not envision.

    For starters, the filibuster speaks to the rules of the Senate. The Framers did not bother themselves with the rules for how the Senate would operate. That is why Democrats can constitutionally change the rules. I’m not even seeing the word “filibuster” in the index of my copy of the Federalist Papers.

    It’s also interesting that you label the House as non-productive. It’s obvious that your measure of productivity is passed legislation. But how many bills have come out of the House, only to die in the Senate? How many times has Reid not allowed votes or even debate on a House bill?

    How many times has Reid “filled the tree” with resolutions, so that no opposition input can be had on bills? Let me give you a hint…he’s done it more times than the last several congresses COMBINED.

    How many times has Obama stated he would veto any bill that landed on his desk that included something he didn’t like? Sure its his right to do so…but doesn’t that tell everyone in front of him in the legislative process not to bother? It poisons the well.

    Look, I’m not saying the GOP are blameless in all of this….they aren’t. But your notion that they are completely at fault is for crap. You need to wake the fuck up, man. Seriously.

  4. “I’m not sure if Obama is overstepping his bounds. I am sure that Congress by neglect of their own duties has opened the door to greater executive authority. If they want to stop Obama they need to positively legislate, not simply oppose.”

    This flies in the face of the entire principle behind “separation of powers” which is the cornerstone of our democracy.

    How can you say congress has opened the door for Obama while also admitting you don’t know if he has the constitutional power to walk through it?

    “If they want to stop Obama they need to positively legislate, not simply oppose.”

    Again…by saying “oppose” this presupposes the GOP is at fault. And that’s bullshit. Both parties in the legislative are at odds. Simply put…it takes 2 to tango.

  5. “he’s done it more times than the last several congresses COMBINED.”

    That should be “…last several Majority Leaders combined.”

    I offer no comment on the last 2 sections of the post, with which I am in general agreement.

  6. “We WANT an economy in which number of jobs exceeds number of job seekers. It leads to lower unemployment and greater incentive for companies to make jobs more attractive to an employment pool that can now afford to be choosy.”

    This one just hit me..and it’s hilarious.

    We want people to quit working so that it opens up jobs for people who want to work.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA

    No……

    What we want is more jobs created, so that people don’t have to quit working in order for there to be available jobs. Ideally, the number of jobs created will exceed the number of population growth (hello immigration debate).

    If this is the economic mindset of the average liberal today then it’s no wonder we’re in the mess we’re in.

  7. It’s telling that Rutherford has no problem speculating about what other people that lived 240 years ago thought about potential abuse of executive powers, but absolutely refuses to speculate about what he thinks might be an executive abuse of power.

    He either won’t tell us where his red line on executive overreach is because he has no red line…

    …or he knows in his heart that Obama has already crossed it.

  8. “If this is the economic mindset of the average liberal today then it’s no wonder we’re in the mess we’re in.”-Huck

    Dude. That is the mindset.

  9. “We want people to quit working so that it opens up jobs for people who want to work.”

    Well that’s nonsense. We DO want people to migrate from jobs they don’t like to jobs they do like and open up those jobs to those who might like them more.

    Call it spin but we’re talking a million folks dropping out of the traditional work force. Some subset of that group will start their own businesses.

  10. “We DO want people to migrate from jobs they don’t like to jobs they do like and open up those jobs to those who might like them more.”

    But that isn’t what you alluded to.

    Here’s what you wrote….

    “We WANT an economy in which number of jobs exceeds number of job seekers.”

    Now how does job migration create an economy in which the number of jobs exceeds the number of job seekers?

    It doesn’t.

    Where are these magical jobs going to come from?

    There’s only 2 ways for it to happen. Either more jobs are created, or less people working. That’s it. It’s really that simple.

    “It leads to lower unemployment and greater incentive for companies to make jobs more attractive to an employment pool that can now afford to be choosy.”

    At one time, companies made jobs more attractive by giving health care benefits.

    That was before “benefits” became “entitlements”.

  11. This also ignores that jobs are not being created by the ACA, but, in fact, are, or are in threat of, being lost.

    Which is why Obama keeps rewriting the law and using the IRS to threaten companies who come out and admit they are shrinking their workforce to dodge compliance.

  12. Let’s create a magical economy where people raise and ride unicorns for a living.

    But don’t be too successful at it, or you might make too much money and get your taxes raised…

    ….or you might create so many magical jobs that you employ more than 50 people and then get a ton of regulations piled on you…

    …and don’t forget…you didn’t build that. Someone else had to first get Obama off of that lone skittle-shitting unicorn he rides.

    SMH….

  13. “I have to ask my conservative friends when we talk about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, what about that last one do you not understand?”

    What I do not understand is why you think that the pursuit of happiness should be easy.

  14. “At one time, companies made jobs more attractive by giving health care benefits.”

    Yes absolutely true. And when times got rough employers stopped full subsidy and employees started paying … more and more and more. It’s long time we cut the cord between employment and insurance.

  15. “Let’s talk reality. To afford even a heavily subsidized insurance premium people will have to work. This notion of folks just sitting back and not working doesn’t jibe with the realities of day to day life. But let’s also consider the optimistic vs pessimistic view of the American people. For all their patriotic screams of his-boom-ba, conservatives seem to view the American people as shiftless lazy loafers who will use any excuse not to work. What else could explain their reaction to the CBO report?”

    Why must you always strike attitudes? And overstate your grounds? Is that “flair?”

    You start out with “let’s talk reality” and follow it with everything but.

  16. “It’s long time we cut the cord between employment and insurance.”

    That must be why the new law was written with no mandates that medium and large employers provide health care coverage.

    Oh wait…..

    ————————–

    Hey you guys…remember that time the GOP refused to pass legislation that overturned the law requiring employers to give 60 day notice before mass layoffs, so Obama told them to just ignore it and offered up taxpayer dollars to any that might be fined…right before the 2012 election?

    Remember that time the GOP refused to rewrite ObamaCare so that the employer mandate was postponed until after an election, so Obama just rewrote it himself?

    Remember that time the GOP refused to rewrite ObamaCare to make it comply with the “if you like your plan you can keep it” promise, so Obama just rewrote it himself?

    Yeah..me neither…

  17. You can’t believe those in government. Why kid yourself? Everything is spin nowadays. There is NO integrity. There is no redeeming quality. Cast it off, as the garment isn’t comfortable, nor is it worth the purchase price.

    There is no incentive to flourish in this world’s business environment unless you are a scavenger. Blessed are the warmongers.

    I’ll see your hate crime and raise you an army of hate…

  18. Gorilla, I owe you an apology. I’ve searched through my SPAM and cannot find the comment you made a couple of weeks ago that I accidentally spammed on my stupid iPhone app.

    I’d restore it if I could. :-(

  19. Jobs: The thinking is flawed on the most fundamental of levels by both the left and the right.

    It is not the government’s job to create jobs, and in point of fact, they CANNOT do that, even if they wanted to. Only private enterprise can do that.

    The government and the entrepreneur are really partners, and each needs to do the job he does best and keep his goddamned fingers off the other’s turf. Government’s job is the same as the farmer’s – prepare the soil and control as many variables as possible, cull the weak (provide laws for bankruptcy), cut the weeds, level the field so that every plant can get equal sunlight to grow, then get out of the way and let the seed grow. Then everybody can enjoy the harvest, including the farmer (govt).

    And just like the farmer, when government keeps uncovering the seed to see if it’s sprouted, disturbing the soil, (changing the tax structure, changing the regulatory structure), the seed cannot find the steady, unchanging environment it needs to do what it does best – grow.

    Your problem, Yanks, is the same as ours. It’s called Meddlesome Politicians. As one pundit put it, these boys are smarter than any three average men, but they can’t understand that they are not smarter than three hundred million, each acting for his family’s own benefit.

  20. I see a whole lot of confirmation bias and ex post rationalization, Rutherford. TheCBC report has not been disputed by either side, at least in a major way, but liberals ignore the truth and dress it up to reinforce their biases.

    Conservatives are guilty too, but in today’s political and social mileau, they tend to be more skeptical. Consider the fat grannies who bought hook line and sinker that Huckabee was insulting women, that Obama didn’t lie, or that Wendy Davis is a brave crusader for women’s rights.One could sell them anything if it had pretty wrapping paper. They are merely a microcosm of how most of the left thinks today.

    When liberals discuss conservatives’ hostility toward ObamaCare or red states reluctance to volunteer for the law’s Medicade expansion, they present a conservative austerity fetish reinforced by heartless people who care little for the poor.

    Studies have shown that liberals are in error. One, by Avik Roy “How Medicade Fails the Poor” tells us that people on Medicade have worse health outcomes than people with private insurance or none at all.He wrote that Medicade’s clumsy design and incentives make it hard for customers to get the quality of care they need. Medicare doesn’t reimburse hospitals and doctors for the cost of care, and as a result, many doctors and hospitals opt out of the system. ObamaCare makes the use of insurance and prospects of good medical treatment even worse.

    The latest is the Oregon Study which shows that thought Medicade lowers psychological and financial stress people in the program make MORE trips to emergency rooms than those not covered. Moreover, Medicade coverage has no measurable impact on clinical health. Such studies control for demographics and income.

    We already see that ObamaCare worsens such problems, and Obama has been forced to break the law and change legislation to delay its harsh effects until AFC becomes politically more expedient.

    Speaking of breaking the law, Obama is incrementally turning the US into an authoritarian state with sanctions against political opponents. The IRS is one of the most intrusive government agencies we have created, and it has targeted enemies for harassment. The latest House report shows that the IRS record of sanctions against its enemies is 100% conservative and 0% liberal. Once ObamaCare with its regulations and future limited income to pay for ballooning expenses gains full control of the medical insurance industry, it will be easy with justification to remove enemies from their lives.

    Obama is getting away with it. Courts have challenged some of his administration actions, but he seems to ignore court orders. He as with Fast and Furious uses executive privilege to stifle inquiry. His press such as MSNBC influences public opinion. We would need popular outrage to remove Obama as we removed Nixon. At that time, key Republicans turned against him. To few people care today.

    Democrats are too invested in power as are Republicans, and they won’t stop our would- be tyrant. Once Republicans regain the presidency what is to stop them from continuing Obama’s practices? Julius Ceasar? Brutus?

  21. Ex post rationalization?

    You don’t remember when Obama told us of the 2.5 million that would be emancipat6ed from “job lock” when he was pitching his signature piece of shit?

    So what about the portion of that 2.5 that want to keep their jobs?

    Why delay the employer mandate that has such a beneficial effect?

    This is not a two-way street. It’s bullshit of astounding magnitudes. And the libs that lend any credence to it require no “pretty wrapping.” They’ll accept and repeat anything. They’re cheerleaders not thinkers.

  22. There’s a misconception here, Rutherford – if I am understanding you correctly. If I understood the CBO report, what it said was not the elimination of 2.5 million jobs.

    You make this sound as if Uncle Sam just furnished 2.5 million seniors the opportunity to retire by offering a subsidy similar to what a corporation would do with a retirement package, then filling those jobs with younger workers. But this isn’t a private company and somebody has to absorb that cost acting as shareholder. That somebody is you and me. These companies aren’t in turn then offering unfilled jobs to younger workers – they’re not laying people off. They’re just cutting hours – the macroeconomic equivalency of lost jobs.

    What the CBO report said was because of the structure of Obamacare, the equivalent of 2.5 million full-time jobs (40 hrs) would be eliminated due to companies restructuring their work schedule accommodating less hours worked.

    In other words, companies have made the decision it would be better (in theory) to reduce productivity while reducing costs, rather than bear the additional expense of what Obamacare will cost at some incremental level.

    This is simply business cutting back…bottom line. Savings through cost reduction.

    Like I’ve told the room, I gave up on America in November 2012, don’t even feel any real allegiance to her anymore to be honest (it’s a place to live), and are not real concerned anymore what happens to much of America. I don’t care if they’re under a jackboot, Gomorrah or Sharia. Just keep it out of my backyard.

    Somebody incinerates NYC? Shit happens and that’s a shame. {shrugs}

    Obama will heal our land and slow the rising tide! :wink: Yes We Can.

  23. Oh fuck yeah they are. Mindless, parasitical enemies of everyone one of our families.

    Fascist on so many levels, the worst being the replacement of even rudimentary economic law with irrational emotion.

    Rutherford says MCNBC bores him but then parrots their take on the CBO findings word for word. Hell…..outside of MSNBC and the administration itself, I’m not sure you will find even many liberal outlets claiming that 2 million people opting not to work a good thing. I could be wrong.

    What an utter fool our Harvard grad is.

    There is so much stupidity in this….he’s impossible.

    But like always…..we will be able to go back to this post and say look, you were fed a line of bull shit!

    Here is the good news. Fascists have a tendency to be fan boys. After Obama’s term is up, R will be done with politics.

    Rutherford will have left a legacy of nothing but a foolish, intellectual slave. . He will be mocked for decades. I might use this future ghost town as a lesson to my kids. What a treasure trove of primary documents. Here, son. Look at the slave’s reasoning. Now look at your current circumstances. See how you got here?

    2 million people dropping out of the work place, opting for a subsidy, is a good thing, we are told.

    Classic liberal scum. Not one critical sentence on how and who will pay for this. Not one true question on why the law keeps being broken and delayed until another round of elections. Not one tremble of fear due to rule by fiat. But but….Clinton pardoned the Thanksgiving Turkey 4 times.

  24. it’s the spin that fascinates me.
    The spin is indeed fascinating I commented somewhere about how the LA Times had an oped that was especially super spin.

    I ask what is the more realistic and optimistic view?
    Jeez that is the stupidest question set Ive seen in some time. The biggest thing is the conjunction and. The GOP “spin view” is the more realistic. The libbie one is Halcion ™ level optimism aka drug fantasy.

    To afford even a heavily subsidized insurance premium people will have to work. This notion of folks just sitting back and not working doesn’t jibe with the realities of day to day life.
    Tex really addressed this well by pointing out that the loss is really an adjustment of FTE’s as opposed to people physically disappearing from the planet. I would stress that the biggest gains in the ACA “rolls of the insured” has been and will continue to be the Medicaid folks. Since Obama has championed a pullback from the CLINTON workfare programs…yeah people will put the car in neutral,it is a proven flaw of America and Americans.

    We WANT an economy …
    OK just found something stupider than the earlier remark. The ACA walks away from the groundwork HIPPAA created,as I mentioned in a previous thread. We now have people who are supposed to be “free” to roam due to crippling individual plan costs?!?! this is just f@#$ed up thinking based nowhere near anything reality. I’ll toss you a bone though Rutherford and say that a darling of the Right,CDHC is equally dog shit in nature. Consumer Driven Health Care is a fantasy. First the system isn’t made up to allow this to work. Second the cost structure is actually designed to discourage use. You take this pile of shit and add a self insured employer and you’ve got IINO. Insurance In Name Only. The only saving grace here and this does indeed tip ones hat to ACA provisions is that well care is free and usually doesn’t trigger deductible action. ANYTHING else though and you’re looking at ded’s of $3000 + and max out of pocket in the 10-20 k range.
    I am on record championing the detachment of health insurance/healthcare from employer. We need actuarially sound super groups to do this. ACA does not do this in fact it sets up the opposite.

    On a lighter side Rutherford God Bless You on the realization regards the immigration thing.
    I have to disagree though with your acceptance that Executive overreach is somehow permissible or at least understandable in light of bad Congress. This is what I’ve (and some others here) have said about Obama from day one. NO FUCKING LEADERSHIP SKILLS OR ABILITIES!!!!!!. Bush I&II,Clinton,Reagan,FDR etc. all dealt with shitty Congress issues but did it with leadership. Obama couldn’t even be truly bothered brokering his own main plank point;ACA, much to the chagrin and hatred of the likes of Reid,Daschle,Dean and others.
    As for hate crimes yeah I’m with Huck on this one,I agree with you although you do fail to present the better equal point. A black kills a white screaming “I hate whitey” is never found guilty of a hate crime. there is the best proof that the concept is flawed. A hebrew kid calls some black bitches water buffaloes as opposed to publicly cursing like I just did = hate crime,again fail.
    I think we could embrace hate as a synergy thing for felonies but not the stand alone political sideshow they are today.

  25. “Not one critical sentence on how and who will pay for this.”

    Never. Nor why it is reasonable to fund dependency in the first place.

    Or boredom. Or thunder thighs.

  26. Want to know what the CBO report says and means?…Hear it from the horse’s mouth….

    This isn’t a “conservative” interpretation, Rutherford. It’s the Director of the Congressional Budget Office testifying before congress.

    Please take note that NOWHERE does he suggest that people will swap jobs. Also note that the phrase “disincentive for people to work” is his wording, not that of the conservative.

    You are wrong. And anyone repeating your spin is wrong. We are right. That’s not spin…it’s fact.

  27. No way Huck. MSNBC says those jobs are going to merely swap.

    What a joke. 2 million people are going to decide, because of Obamacare, working long and hard isn’t worth it. But magically, without any reasoning, our Harvard dunce tells us 2 million people are going to make the exact opposite decision, despite the reality of an available subsidy. I would say he just made it up. But he didn’t and that would be too much credit. Someone on TV made it up.

    A far more fascinating question for me is if Rutherford is stupid or brain washed.

    Whatever the case, the dunce is a danger.

    Just think. He comes from an army of millions of dunces.

    The government wont stop until we all are dependent or dunces. At the same time technological advances to spy and oppress us is growing exponentially. Repeat, the road towards mass dependency is in tandem with the creation of a monolithic all seeing Leviathan. This won’t end well.

  28. Tex,

    As I understand it, the companies will cut jobs because they can. Why can they? Because their will be a new plethora of people willing to work part time. In other words, the nature of the labor market will change. Individual companies will be more then willing to comply, of course.

    The upshot, because of 2 million personal decisions, will be lower GDP, less tax revenue and more tax funding needed. Of course, taxes will go up….and then your description will kick in.

  29. Huck, I’ll bet you a hundred bucks Rutherford never even read or heard what the CBO actually said without “help”.

    Someone else “explained” it to the Harvard dunce. Some one on da boob toob.

    He never listened to the testimony and then came to his own conclusion. Someone told Rutherford, “Now, now….there is partisan disagreement on what it means. Don’t trust yourself. ”

    Thus, the schism is his starting point. His premise. The crux of his argument is that what the CBO says is up to interpretation. And his guys interpreted it differently. At that point the parrot on his shoulder squawks.

    Instead of applying his own logic he abandons it because he thinks it HAS to be faulty. After all….there is partisan disagreement. His betters have come up with something.

    Slaves don’t read, after all. Or think for themselves.

    You can tell he didn’t think it out for himself because half his argument is missing.

    Why will 2.5 million people make the opposite decision? He feels even asking this is being a negative Nancy about your fellow American.

  30. DR, he does come from the same group that tells its own that food stamps and unemployment “is the biggest bang for the buck.” Yeah, they’re told this shit and refuse to stop and reflect. There’ll always be a free lunch.

  31. Think for a minute. The CBO estimated loss of the equivalent of two and a half million jobs on the economy. That is only an estimate which is about as good as a weather forecast for March 1.Maybe the true figure will be three million or perhaps four.I assume a greater number because, after all this is the government.

    Sarah Palin caught heat when she campaigned in Greensburo, North Carolina. She said she was happy to be among real Americans. If you understand our history, you will know she was right .

    Obama and the other progressives as they are today are part of an ideology foreign to us. They are not true Americans as we knew them when I was growing up. They are closer to the Depression Era Communist sympathizers who wanted to usurp our society and rebuild it onto a Stalinist paradise.

    Progressism is a disease which if not contained will destroy us.

    Our piling on was probably what Rutherford expected. I know you have an emotional reaction to Sarah Palin, Rutherford, so I added her to irritate you.

  32. On a different note I am starting yo sense that gays are the only point Barack Obama really acts forcefully and consistently. He sent the pink crew to insult Putin,has attacked DOMA with some zeal and has renewed threats to cut off aid to Uganda if they enact another string of anti homo laws.

  33. “I am starting yo sense that gays are the only point Barack Obama really acts forcefully and consistently.”

    Only after he “evolved.”

  34. Property taxes are killing me. You can buy a house with cash, have your house go up in value and then, for all practical purposes, find yourself renting again…from the damn government!

    For what?

    Public school? It sucks because I am the man behind the curtain. I know the scam.

    The conservatives have made huge inroads here. Make public school more consumer based, they said. What they never thought of was the fact that the consumer really doesn’t care about education. In lower class areas, they want the school to serve as the second parent. In upper class areas, the consumer wants public school to be a high grade point average dispensary.

    There isn’t even an attendance policy. If a “customer” doesn’t like the grade, rest assured management will get to the bottom of it.

    The upshot is a pile of steamy crap that I wish I could opt out of when it comes to taxes.

  35. For the 20 percent of violent crimes that are interracial, 15 percent involve black offenders and white victims; 2 percent involve white offenders and black victims; and 3 percent involve other combinations.

    Jacobs, James B. & Kimberly Potter. (1998). Hate Crimes: Criminal Law and Identity Politics. New York: Oxford University Press, pp. 140-2.

    The hate crime bull shit isn’t about legislating people to be good. It’s an engineered farce to make people believe the lynching myth. A required myth for the race baiting lib.

    The stats don’t lie and are pretty amazing. Blacks are far, far more likely to violently attack whites then the other way around. When I first read the statistic, I said wow, the black man is 7.5 times more likely to attack the white man then the opposite.

    But nay nay. That doesn’t account for that fact that there are roughly 6 times more white people then black people. Wow…..do the math.

    Yet…despite all of this, hate crimes are 4 times more likely to be tied to a white person then a black person.

    Its politics. Not the mistake by well meaning…yawn….liberals. Not with those numbers.

    Its a complete utter Orwellian falsehood.

    Speaking of stats……they are the worst enemy for those who support the death sentence. In this case blacks are more likely to get it. A woman next to no chance.

    Which maybe why it needs to be scrapped. They take too long, too. In my case, it would not be needed as the state killing somebody that murdered my family wouldn’t bring any closure anyways. My hand and only my hand would have to dispatch of the murderer. Which may or may not be possible to pull off…..so I would either go crazy or crazier.

  36. You people? Spoken by the guy who voted for him? Its been brought up here several times.

    I’ll bet one of your mined bit coins on that…..at last weeks price of course.

  37. Property taxes are killing me. You can buy a house with cash, have your house go up in value and then, for all practical purposes, find yourself renting again…from the damn government!

    That’s why I never moved my money from savings to land, though I gave thought to it for a time. Property taxes murder you. It’s basically an investment for government to live off your back.

    Like employment. :smile:

  38. John Bogle has argued for decades that stock index funds are the best place to park your money. Unlike gold, they increase in value because underlying the companies are humans, working and producing goods and services – which is to say, value.

    Gold is a little like Bitcoins in that its value depends on its rarity – of course, gold has intrinsic value, too – unlike digital currencies – a VERY important consideration, but it is subject to confiscation by crooked governments, like Roosevelt’s – also a big downside. That will be very tough to do with a digital currency.

    But a well-diversified basket of stocks will increase in value equal to the rate of inflation plus about 5% over time. The government will of course get taxes on the part that inflated, too, but in US, that will vary between about 15% and 40%, depending upon who is in the White House. Cash, will of course lose all the value that goes to inflation, while the stocks will keep up PLUS make about 5%. Bogle is right: that’s probably your best move over several decades.

  39. My gutters and roof is ice damned like I’ve never seen in my life. We are getting six more inches tonight and already have 3 feet plus on the ground. The catch? 44 degree high and down pours on Thursday. I don’t have a sump pump.

    Gutters are stupid fucking contraptions. High risk for small convenience. Mine are coming off this spring.

  40. You people are really morons. Why don’t you actually listen to what the author of the report said? Obamacare will be good for the economy. Listen to his answers to questions put to him by Congress. It will create jobs since folks who care purchase healthcare will no longer be forced to stay in jobs just because that was the only way to have healthcare. The jobs don’t go away. Here’s the right’s new campaign slogan. “Vote for me, I’ll take away your healthcare.” Good luck with that you dopes.

  41. The real sad part about what the idiot Stinky wrote is that he isn’t joking.

    The only morons here are the ones who think people quitting jobs is the same as creating jobs.

    But at least Rutherford has some company.

  42. Here’s an idea…let’s ALL quit working. Why, then we will have full employment in America and unemployment will be 0%!!!!!!!!11111oneoneone……

    And we wonder why Obama was re-elected

  43. Hey stinky….just how are people going to be able to “purchase” healthcare after they have quit….errrr…create a job for someone else by not going to it anymore?

    What other job are they going to get? Will they just go to another job that someone else quit? Is America just going to play tradesies with jobs until we all get the one we want?

    And after that happens, who is going to pick up trash? Clean toilets? Mop floors? You think people like doing those shit jobs?

    You didn’t think this through very well did you? Better start doing so before you come around here swinging personal insults on your 1st day, moron.

  44. Rabbit is such a genius. He says I didn’t read the CBO report. No shit Sherlock. What did I say at the very beginning of the piece?

    Perhaps because you’ve spent so much time working crappy jobs you can’t imagine a world where you could be a free agent.

    By the way Rabbit how much of the CBO report did you read?

  45. James thanks for the Palin mention. I love you man but sometimes you’re wacky. To think for a moment that liberals are not true Americans is skewed beyond belief. It takes two ideologies to keep the country running.

  46. “Any questions?”

    Yeah..here’s a question.

    Huh?…..

    Here’s another.

    Did you watch the video I link in #34?

    And a final one.

    What part of the phrase “out of the workforce” are you not grasping? Because you’re still under this illusion that we are talking about 2 and a half million people trading jobs or working to pay rent and buy cool stuff.

    We aren’t.

  47. Creates jobs?

    Duuuuuuuh.

    Ah, the entitlement mindset. As though the right not to work never existed.

    Reason not to work: someone else is paying my way.

    It’s a matter of incentives and who’s paying for it.

  48. People can purchase healthcare by either starting their own businesses, working for employers who do not provide healthcare, etc. Jobs are created by increasing the number of people who have healthcare–there will be plenty of work for doctors and other healthcare workers as well as insurance workers. It’s not rocket science. You can go back to your blind hatred now.. ..

  49. The amount of “healthcare” is increased by removing people who are receiving employer paid health insurance to subsidized?

    Huh?

    And what the fuck is “purchasing healthcare?” Is there some inability to “purchase healthcare by anyone now? We’re talking insurance dumbass.

  50. Hahahah. I spotted Stinky’s Daily Kos bit.

    I now see what that what jobs “created” means to the economically illiterate who have just been told of a report that says 2.5 million leaving the market because of work disincentive.

  51. Jobs are created by increasing the number of people who have healthcare” – Stinky

    How does owning a product create a job?

    If you start a business, you’re still counted in the labor force. THEREFORE, declines in the labor force are not reflective of self-employed individuals.

    Note: Yesterday, February 17th, was the 5 year anniversary of Obama’s stimulus, yet Democrats are dead silent on it. I wonder why…

    “At a cost of $19.90 for each dollar of economic growth, almost $8 million for each job created and a loss of nearly $600,000 of fixed investment, it is hard to suggest that the government interventions have been successful.”

    Or, we could talk about the “People’s Champion” and is illegal executive order on federal minimum wage. Yeah, it was illegal:

    Issue
    • Does the President of the United States have executive power under the war powers clause of the U.S. Constitution, or any implied powers gleaned therefrom, to authorize the Secretary of Commerce to seize the nation’s steel mills?
    Holding and Rule (Black)
    • No. The President does not have implicit or explicit executive power under the war powers clause of the U.S. Constitution, or any implied powers gleaned therefrom, to authorize the Secretary of Commerce to seize the nation’s steel mills.
    The court held that there was no explicit statute or act of Congress which authorized the President to act in such a manner. The only two statutes which authorized the acquisition of personal and real property were not met here. Not only were such acts unauthorized, Congress specifically refused to grant such authorization. The court held that in order for the President to have this authority, it must be found somewhere explicitly in the Constitution, or implicitly in some historical context or foundation.
    The President cannot order policy; he can only suggest it. Congress can approve any proposal for regulation, policy, settlement of disputes, wages, and working conditions. None of this is delegated to the President. Under a textual approach to interpreting the Constitution the President’s powers are curbed in this extension.
    Dissent (Vinson, Reed, and Minton)
    Many presidents have taken such action before, most notably Lincoln (Civil War, naval blockade, Emancipation Proclamation), Hayes and Cleveland (authorization of the use of the military to settle strikes) without state or legislative authority.
    Concurrence (Frankfurter)
    FDR’s actions during the Great Depression resulted in extensions of executive authority, but his authority was not violative of the Constitution. Three laws had already been enacted by Congress when FDR enacted his policy, and six others were only enacted after Congress declared war, thereby falling under the “war powers.”
    Concurrence (Jackson)
    In determining whether the executive has authority, there are three general circumstances:
    1. When the President acts pursuant to an express or implied authorization of Congress, the President’s authority is at its greatest.
    2. When the President acts in the absence of either a congressional grant or denial of authority, he can only rely upon his own independent powers, but there is a zone in which he and Congress may have concurrent authority. When this is the case, the test depends on the imperatives of events and contemporary imponderables rather than on abstract theories of law.
    3. When the President takes measures incompatible with the expressed or implied will of Congress, the authority of the President is at its lowest.

    http://www.lawnix.com/cases/youngstown-sawyer.html

    Let’s talk about that one more time:

    The President cannot order policy; he can only suggest it. Congress can approve any proposal for regulation, policy, settlement of disputes, wages, and working conditions. None of this is delegated to the President. Under a textual approach to interpreting the Constitution the President’s powers are curbed in this extension.”

    ALL executive orders MUST be based on either the Constitution or previous law that grants the President latitude to make those decisions. The ACA does not grant the President the power to arbitrarily change key components of the law, nor does the Constitution allow said same. Tigre or BiW could explain this much better than I, though I think the crayon is pretty clear. This is an illegal Presidency that is willingly, and knowingly, moving in a direction that contravenes the tenants of the Constitution and the American legal system.

  52. Stinky doesn’t understand the semantics in arguing against a point not made here.

    Hey, I was thinking of another way to create jobs under Stinky’s critical analysis of what jobs “created” means. We could just put more workers in jail. In that way we could create more jobs for jailers, construction and administration of the jails, and hell government supplied healthcare for the inmates.

    Any chance Stinky know how the “unemployment rate” is defined under the voluntary displacement predicted by the CBO? I’m guessing probably not.

  53. You know I like you too, Rutherford, but consider the record. Most of today’s liberals are different from a few years ago. Its true some extremists have been with us in the past, but they hold power now.

    Using the IRS to persecute citizens is un- American. Senator Cantor’s would be opponent has advocated investigating Fox News and regulating that network because it is not a real news organization.

    Obama also changes legislation while bypassing Congress. It has been done before, but Obama is turning his pen into a major instrument of administration,

    Lying to replace our health insurance system with a European-like variety is un American, especially when our leaders refused to research what works and what doesn’t.

    Obama is purposely weakening the US because he opposes colonialism and believes we should be one of many instead of the major world power.

    This is a petty complaint, but Obama doesn’t give more than lip service to the concept of shared sacrifice. He has been golfing on exclusive golf courses built by his billionaire friends in California. Unfortunately, California faces a water emergency because of the drought, and these golf courses use more water than even other less exclusive courses.
    now
    Liberals and conservatives have committed such acts in the past, but this time, they through words and actions are changing the fundamental nature of our country in ways foreign to our attitudes, values, and traditions.

    That is the real issue. We have two camps with different visions of what the United States should be. You can not dispute the way I have defined my position. The facts are on my side. Otherwise, I would not have written what I did. You can tell me I am crazy. Prove it.

    Welcome to stinky. I wish the other liberals hadn’t deserted you. You need allies.

    I forgot to bring the battery charger to Omaha yesterday, so now, I must ration my lap top computer usage until our son in law finds another cord or we go home.

    The latest storm to pass over Chicago was like many others born in our region. We had two inches of snow yesterday with freezing rain. Most of it fell in less than an hour. I had beautiful skiing before we drove to Omaha. The temperature rose to 50 and today, it may hit 60. Wednesday night should bring heavy wet snow, 50 MPH wind gusts and blizzard conditions for a part of Iowa a few counties east of us.

  54. “Wow, Rutherford – a new voice in this echo-chamber. Try to make stinky welcome, will you?!”

    Gee mate, I thought “you” were a new voice from down under in this echo-chamber. :roll:

    Daily Kos Stinky reads like Thor.

  55. I fell bad for all the nasty weather for you guys. Well, at least a little. I took out all the weeds over the weekend and mrs poolman planted more vegetables and flowers. Yesterday we were mid 80’s and I was working in shorts and a t-shirt. Beautiful suntan weather yesterday and no man-made cloud art either. The cloud seeders must have had president’s day off.

    Well Stinky, I think Tigre made my first point. No one is buying healthcare or is being forced to buy healthcare, we are being forced to buy private insurance. Premiums and deductibles are NOT healthcare. And the ACA allows those private companies to mark their product up to guarantee a 20 percent profit. That is 20 percent over the cost of care and administration – including personnel, facilities, and overhead – that private insurers dole out for ‘healthcare’. I sure would like a guaranteed 20 percent margin in my line of work. If you don’t get how wrong this is, then I really can’t see the point of debate.

    How about if we just pay doctors direct and forget all these middlemen? We are a nation of middlemen, where many of the jobs we had/have were not of a productive type. And when the government steps in and props up the middlemen…

    Time to change the government as this is a FAR cry from the republic we started with.

  56. Every once in a while the president mentions “the credit” for the ACA. The Dems need the credit for something big. From practically the get go in this country to the present day the Democrats have been on the wrong side of history. That explains liberal white guilt to some degree.

    That’s some very expensive self esteem.

  57. I wonder how much Obama regret will impact both the mid-term elections and the next Presidential race? Personally, I think Hillary can win the Dem primary, but would get crushed in the general election because of A) Her closeness to Obama, B) Benghazi, and C) Clinton’s ideas are no different than those of Obama. Whereas Bush 2.0 worked against McCain, Obama 2.0 will work against Hillary.

    Obama has been anything but the “Great Uniter” everyone was led to believe. He’s been one of the most racially polarizing Presidents in U.S. history.

    Over seven in 10 Obama voters, and 55 percent of Democrats, regret voting for President Obama’s reelection in 2012, according to a new Economist/YouGov.com poll.
    Conducted to test the media hype about a comeback by 2012 Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, the new poll found voters still uninspired by Romney, but also deeply dissatisfied with Obama who has so far failed to capitalize on his victory over 15 months ago.
    The poll asked those who voted for Obama’s reelection a simple question: “Do you regret voting for Barack Obama?”
    — Overall,
    71 percent said yes, 26 percent no.
    80 percent of whites said yes, 61 percent of blacks said no and 100 percent of Hispanics said yes.
    84 percent of women said yes, and just 61 percent of men agreed.
    55 percent of Democrats said yes, as did 71 percent of independents.
    Still, given the choice of Obama versus Romney, Obama supporters said they would stick with their guy, 79 percent to 10 percent for Romney.
    But his voters seem to have moved on and are ready for the next election, giving Obama very early lame duck status before the midterm elections. The poll, for example, found that Hillary Clinton has a higher favorability rating than the president. While Obama is underwater in his ratings, Clinton is buoyed by a 50-percent favorable to 43-percent unfavorable rating, with a sizable 28 percent rating her “very favorable.”
    As for Romney, his favorable ratings have dropped, but he would edge Obama by about three million votes, probably because Americans are not wowed by Obama’s second term performance, not because they like Romney more.

  58. I had a question from the last thread. Regarding Obama’s targeting an American with drones? Huck’s link to this: http://us.cnn.com/2014/02/11/opinion/bergen-target-american-with-drones/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    Ehhh….what exactly was it about the Iraq war that you objected to Rutherford? If not the killing.

    A Republican in the white house at the time?
    That Americans used water boarding to find terrorists and bring them to justice when we could have simply brought justice to them with a drone?
    That America wasn’t targeting other Americans?
    That it drove up the debt 2 trillion?

  59. “We could just put more workers in jail.”

    Think of the implications. This gives way to a new form of revenge-reporting on people for work related crimes.

    Is Fred working overtime getting to you? We want to know about it! -Love, The DOJ

    Would “working around the yard” on a Saturday be considered a gateway to more serious employment?

  60. “That Americans used water boarding to find terrorists and bring them to justice when we could have simply brought justice to them with a drone?”

    How can someone who actually lives in US be so ignorant of one’s own constitution? What part of this little ditty do you not understand?

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Two assholes, one of them president, the other attorney general, sitting together having lattes and picking human targets, does not constitute a Grand Jury, nor does it constitute by any stretch of the imagination, due process of law. It is a crime.

  61. Ah….another successful day at the office. Seems I’ve met more than a few libs in Tulsa under the distinct impression Conservatives are supposed to sit down, shut up, and bear with the invective of a personal and religious nature. The women are the worst, as they attempt to hide behind their gender. That may work in a fist fight, but not on a board. Too bad for Ms. Scott.

    So, of course I was forced to engaged. :twisted:

    And that was followed by:

    (1) A demand from the liberal multitude to ban me
    (2) A loud wish to read my obituary
    (3) A threat that their former military husbands were looking for me with assistance.

    Somethings never change.

    Why I can’t imagine why Conservatives wouldn’t want to work with these people from the Left to fix what ails us. :smile:

    Two assholes, one of them president, the other attorney general, sitting together having lattes and picking human targets, does not constitute a Grand Jury, nor does it constitute by any stretch of the imagination, due process of law. It is a crime.

    Hmmm…I like that. I hope you don’t mind me Parker borrowing that for my personal repertoire when the illegal wars of Iraq are thrown up in my face. I need to go add some fuel to their raging fire.

  62. Still waiting for Rutherford or his new pal stinky to address the phrase “out of the workforce” and stop pretending it means anything other than people not working at all whatsoever.

    “Two assholes, one of them president, the other attorney general, sitting together having lattes and picking human targets, does not constitute a Grand Jury, nor does it constitute by any stretch of the imagination, due process of law.”

    I am not defending this….but according to my international law professor, it does constitute due process.

    He explained that “due process” is not always the process of a court, judge and jury. Sometimes, under certain circumstances, the process does in fact include the president, attorney general and other lawyers, and a couple military generals.

    It just seems so….icky to me….

  63. “Why don’t you actually listen to what the author of the report said?”

    Why don’t you?

    He said those who would be leaving the workforce would primarily be “low wage workers.” Just how is a low wage worker going to start his own business?

    And of course, starting a business is not “out of the workforce” which is also what he said.

    And why are they going to leave the workforce, Rutherford?

    Because “they have less incentive to work.”

    We don’t have blind hate. We’re seeing this quite clearly.

  64. Rutherford, the comments following mine support my writing that we are under attack from a foreign ideology which wants to fundamentally alter the character of the United States. Why don’.t you, stinky, and anyone else you can find get together and prove me crazy? You won’t because you can’t

    . I used to write that on the other blog. They called me arrogant. When Obama’s health insurance lie became known, One man called me manure, and wrote he could tear me apart but a troll like me I wasn’t worth his time.I responded with proof that Obama knew before the AFC act was passed that estimates of lost insurance holders were already on paper. That was the end of him.

    I usually don’t make wild statements I can’t defend.

    “We don’t have blind hate. We’re seeing this quite clearly.”

    The hatred I feel and wrongly tried to eradicate is visceral and unemotional. it dates from the treatment liberals gave to returning veterans and more importantly how they contributed to our betraying South Vietnamese who risked their saftey to help us and who we left standing outside of our embassy for heiicoptors which never came.

    Poolman,it is in the sixties after yesterday’s snow and freezing rain storm. There is still a blizzard watch for Iowa several counties east of us. I wish I had brought my skis to Omaha. Cold and snow should return for the weekend when we go back home.

    Tex, you are the man.

  65. “How does owning a product create a job?”

    I don’t know whether the word owning was chosen deliberately to be evasive.

    Clearly BUYING a product creates jobs. Demand for a product prompts proper staffing to meet that demand.

  66. Rutherford…..please explain phrase “out of the workforce” .

    Thor….please explain “out of the work force.”

    2.5 million out of the workforce.

    Not 2.5 million trading jobs with 2.5 million jobs with 0 people leaving the work force.

    2.5 million out of the work place.

    Again. 2.5 million people out of the work force.

    2.5 million people leaving the work force.

    Why? They are going to opt for a subsidy.

  67. I miss old Thor. He wrote me a nice note when my Dad died.

    I even miss the the old lib free spirit and enabler of massive Obama failure.

    How’s he doing? Maybe he’ll read this and drop us a note from Washington. We’ve got college basketball to talk about.

  68. I just can’t take this stupidity.

    Our full time work force is going to decrease by 2.5 million according to the CBO.

    I can’t believe the utter stupidity by Rutherford and Stinky (Stinky said “folks”….never fails)

    Tell us the CBO is wrong. Say ethically your OK with supporting people who choose to leave shitty full time jobs. Something!

    But…..this…..I can’t deal with it!

  69. Well….as another liberal has correctly pointed out here, if the CBO is correct, unemployment will, in fact, go down. Way to keep your eye on the ball libs.

  70. I read Terri’s link (#75) which does more to confuse than explain. We are getting spin from both sides. It’s a shell game. If any jobs are actually created, those positions will be middlemen between care providers and consumers. Consumers, BTW, is how our government categorizes all of us. Anytime the government REQUIRES individuals to purchase anything, it’s a boondoggle both for the private industries and bureaucracies involved. The trend for almost a decade in America is the emerging way to do business. That trend has employers offering less hours to more people making those positions part-time and requiring them to pay benefits. I know plenty of people who would prefer to work more hours but they are not able to due to the way employers have to cover the added costs of full-time personnel. Most new positions require more responsibilities in addition to less pay. Loyalties are a thing of the past.

    You cannot believe anything government tells you. Nothing. They are in the business of keeping themselves in business. Anyone found providing real or damning information is quickly shut down. These people are self-serving and not interested in real truth. EVERYTHING has to be approved by government before the media reports it, and often the government is the one writing the report. Sometimes presenting it. Many ‘journalists’ today are actually government employees.

    Unemployment figures are always deceptive. Workforce numbers can be skewed to show whatever the presenter wants. Are we better off today than we were 5 years ago? A decade ago? To me the answer is no and no. All I see is a decline. The areas that are making money are those aiding the war machine, the security apparatus, the money lenders, the prison industry, big pharma, health insurance companies, etc.

  71. You know what else historically brought about a significant reduction in unemployment?

    The Black Plague.

    That means it was a good thing, right?……

  72. Auntie Pfarker @ #81 – I was speaking sarcastically to the hypocrisy of the imbeciles who hated Bush for the Iraq war but still lick Obama’s droneslinging bubblebutt, you useless codger.

  73. Well it sure is a good thing that a reduction in workforce is going to be job creation….

    …since the CBO said today that a minimum wage increase to $10 hr will kill 1/2 a million jobs.

    For you math challenged folks, that is 20% of those jobs “created” by your ObamaCare.

    For the rest of us…it means now we’re looking at 3 million people not working as a direct result of a total of 2 policies championed by the Rutherfords of the country.

  74. Stinky reads female to me. But then again I think old thor did too. No offense buddy. Either way – Welcome Stinky! GREAT moniker.

    “That was Stinky Bohoon and his friend with the pumpkin-sized head.”

  75. “Hmmm…I like that. I hope you don’t mind me Parker borrowing that for my personal repertoire when the illegal wars of Iraq are thrown up in my face. I need to go add some fuel to their raging fire.”

    Feel free to use it, with attribution or without. The message, I believe, is more important than who said it.

    My problem is that, clearly, the American government is VIOLATING THE LAW, and not just any law – the highest law, and there is just no outrage among the American citizenry. What the hell is wrong with those people? I blame it on the education system, if you can call it that. I don’t think they realize that what is happening is illegal.

    The French are just generally pissed-off and will strike or protest over anything, or nothing – hell, they’ll picket over not enough brie. The American populace, OTOH, reminds me of a flock of sheep; unperturbed by ANYTHING, and apparently unaware that, because of their size, their actions affect the whole world.

    They just don’t see what is going on, especially the Left – but, by God, the rest of the world surely does. You are sailing under a full head of steam along the course so many have sailed before. It never ends well, and many, many people die – each and every time – to straighten it out.

  76. ” From practically the get go in this country to the present day the Democrats have been on the wrong side of history.”

    Wouldn’t Jefferson be considered a Democrat or at least a precursor of one? Yeah, wrong side of history indeed.

  77. I don’t remember who said it but someone said the other day that minimum wage increases have never killed jobs historically. The stats don’t support the scare story.

  78. Wouldn’t Jefferson be considered a Democrat or at least a precursor of one? Yeah, wrong side of history indeed.” – R

    You have to go back that far for this retort? Kind of proves the point, eh?

  79. I live in a bubble? I LIVE IN A BUBBLE?

    How’s the Obamacare created phone bank treating you?

    I live in a bubble?

    I was disappointed that folks were fooled, once again, by the lies and distortions of Obama. Obama lied his ass off in the election, about his record, about Romney, about himself: lies, lies, lies. But the unfortunate thing is that Americans have no recourse for those lies after the election. He didn’t need any of them to be true, just stick long enough to muddy the water….which you drank deeply from.

    And now, with two good jobs and the family home in CT down the Obama Economy drain, you accuse me of living in a bubble?

    Pull that lever…

    Rich. Delusional, but rich…

  80. I don’t remember who said it but someone said the other day that minimum wage increases have never killed jobs historically. The stats don’t support the scare story.” – R

    What stats? I don’t think rumor is all that authoritative. Then again, why should we buy your stats? The CBO says something and you’re all myth and lies, but we’re to buy the stats that support your position? That’s where you are at now R, only those stats that support your positions–as few as they are now–form the island of your ideas. Better call Hank Johnson (D – Georgia), you’re island is tipping…

  81. re: minimum wage and jobs.

    It is not that complicated if you keep “supply and demand” in your mind 24/7. It never, ever fails.

    As human labor becomes more expensive, businesses will begin to search for ways to use less or eliminate it. Coal miners in New South Wales used to find plenty of employ, but as their demand for wages went up, it became economical for the operators to search for replacements. The average miner used to be able to produce about 5 tonnes/day. Now, 1/6 as many are employed, and the tonnes/man/day is about 300.

    Extrapolate that to minimum wage. We are on the cusp of the next round of extensive replacement of low-skill jobs by machinery, including customer interaction at MacDonalds, etc, and as the minimum wage goes up, so does the incentive to replace those people. The tech is just not quite there yet, but it’s closer than you think.

    And machines don’t get tired or go on sick leave. You are just demanding yourself right out of employment.

  82. I left out: the reason the miners are so much more productive is that there is now large-scale use of machinery, instead of doing it by hand. A $600,000 continuous miner machine becomes very economical when a human miner makes USD 150/day.

  83. I miss thor too. He and I have similar tastes in music.

    The Black Death killed so many people that living standards of the survivors improved. Scandinavian and other countries passed sumptuary laws forbidding peasants from wearing clothing which made them appear to be of higher classes.

    The gulids and higher classes tried to retain their political power, but labor was scarce and peasants could command higher salaries than before. Repression led to peasant revolts, including the French Jacquaries and in the UK Wat Tyler’s revolt. They burned manor houses and the occupants.

    Eventually the disruption combined with climate change caused faminiens and wars weakened local despots and strenghthened nation states. The Church and nobility lost power. The Reformation has roots to the time.

    Lithuania and eastern Poland were so isolated that the Bubonic Plague hardly affected them. Some parts of Eastern Europe may have been spared because of genetic protection. The result was Eastern Europe’s maintaining the feudal institutions which faded in the West.

    So, in some respects, Huck is right. The Black Plague was a good thing for us, though not for the people who died. Nor, was it especially good for the people who died in the revolts, wars, and famines which accompanied one of the worst tragedies in early modern history.

  84. Yes, Jefferson is considered a precursor of Democrats, and Democrats still hold Jefferson-Jackson fund raisers. But like JFK or Scoop Jackson, he would not fit the profile of the modern liberal Democrat.

  85. We all know Obama is a liar. in 2008, he denied that he had been a member or associated with Illinois socialist New Party. Stanley Kurtz found proof that Obama joined the party and asked for its endorsement when he ran for office in Illinois Obama and his allies lied about the association. Kurtz was vilified at the time.

    Bill Ayres had joked that he ghost wrote at least one of Obama’s books, and he helped Obama move into politics. Obama’s interview with Charlie Gibson was also informative. Charlie asked Obama why he supported raising capital gains taxes when studies showed an increase would bring less money into the treasury. Obama replied that it wouldn’t be fair to keep taxes at the current level. Of course, we all remember “You didn’t build that.”

    Obama is a radical socialist. I am not using hyperbole. He just is.

    Had the press done its job with the alacrity of its search though Sarah Palin’s waste baskets, we might have had another president.

  86. “I have never defended Obama’s drone war.”

    Nor have many libbie bloggers. Nor has msnbc (just a hunch).

    Nor has Obama himself, really. I dont think he was exactly defending his drone program when he said it makes him look “really good at killing people.” Something you never mentioned in your book reports on “Double Down.”

    You’ve all grown serene on the subject of killing since O developed a taste for it. As unruffled as you are about Benghazi. Zzzzz phony scandal. Zzzzz bumps in the road. Zzzzzz what difference does it make? Zzzz my biggest, you know, regret.

  87. I’d love to get your thoughts, R, on the video @ #116. Something else you probably “never defended.”

    Pretty cheeky there informing G that HE lives in a bubble.

  88. “Jefferson is considered a precursor of Democrats, and Democrats still hold Jefferson-Jackson fund raisers. But like JFK or Scoop Jackson, he would not fit the profile of the modern liberal Democrat.”

    Jefferson, the scrivener of the constitution bears no resemblance to the modern democrat — like our blog host that says we need a president with dictatorial powers. Jefferson is spinning his grave at what we have going on with our federal government. Every bit of it violates his notions of the proper functioning of government.

  89. Gorilla. You do live in a bubble. You need get home, hiding from sun light, and watch countless hours of MSNBC before you can say you live outside a buddle. :roll:

  90. @ Rutherford actually from a historical perspective increases to the min wage has indeed been a factor in loss of jobs. The numbers are more along the lines of jobs not filled or created as opposed to people being fired or laid off. The flip side which fuels one sides spin is that in theory and questionable practice folks making the increased min. wage are as a rule not savers and therefore put more money into the greater economy. This in turn causes the fantasy math folks to speculate that x # of jobs are therefore created.
    Shake it all out the truth is that increased min wages do tend to allow more money to go into the economy but also adversely impact the number of jobs available to the element the minimum age is primarily aimed at.
    We as a nation need to stop looking at the min wage or living wage theory and establish a greater appreciation for real worth and pay accordingly. Great example is if you really like lettuce and hate illegal aliens etc perhaps you should be willing to pay more per head.

  91. PS on a personal note in the Northeast I see no indication that min wage standards have any real impact on other pay scales especially (obviously) outside of blue collar and then the true tradesmen are naming rates so unattached to min wage I’d say it holds true there too.
    Any other regional thoughts out there?

  92. Gorilla you’re ignoring the comment I responded to. Muffy said almost from the beginning Dems have been on the wrong side of history. So where is she drawing her line? I went back to Jefferson. How far does she go back?

  93. What does Jefferson have in common with modern liberalism?

    Outside of some shallow separation of church and state garbage, would love to see what the modern Democratic platform has to do with Jefferson.

    By the way….2.5 million people leaving the work force according to the CBO…you still hiding from what Hocking has practically begged you to address?

  94. I’m done begging. There isn’t any discussion that goes on here, anymore. While it is certainly fun and we all do it, comment sniping isn’t discourse. Hell, I am still wondering where Rutherford draws the line on executive overreach. Maybe Stinky would like to take a crack at that one.

  95. Ahhhhhhhm unions…..

    The federal government on Tuesday indicted multiple union members for burning down a Quaker church in 2012.

    Ten members of a Philadelphia ironworkers union face charges of arson and racketeering in connection with a fire against the church, which was employing non-union workers.

    “Ironworkers Local 401 [was charged] with allegedly participating in a conspiracy to commit criminal acts of extortion, arson, destruction of property, and assault in order to force construction contractors to hire union ironworkers,” the FBI said in a press release. “Specifically, the indictment charges RICO conspiracy, violent crime in aid of racketeering, three counts of arson, two counts of use of fire to commit a felony, and conspiracy to commit arson. Eight of the 10 individuals named in the indictment are charged with conspiring to use Ironworkers Local 401 as an enterprise to commit criminal acts.”

    The group of self-described THUGS—an acronym for “Those Helpful Union Guys”—allegedly burned down the meetinghouse as part of a wider campaign of violence against non-union work sites across the city.

    The indictment goes on to describe how the union used non-union point men in an effort to distance the union from allegations of violence. Those individuals served as scouts in order to identify and threaten any construction site that was not utilizing union labor.

  96. “Sorry DR, you have to do it figuratively AS WELL AS literally.” G

    I guess that makes me a Dem who no shows election day….

    Thanks for kicking that reality sand in my face…..

  97. Man…..it might not seem like much for some…..but I can’t wait to get into my shack in the woods this spring (got a renter in there until then). Its actually kind of a big shack. Two full bathrooms and 3 bedroom! 7 wooded acres surrounded by swamp, forest and recently cut land. Probably 500 plus acres (total guess)with more of the same that eventually gets cut off by a road and then its farm land. It ain’t Alaska but its definitely a hide out. I call it the Compound.

    Loading up on second hand furniture and mapping out my fishing holes.

    My wife is cool with going up as a family in the fall for deer season. Hopefully she says the same thing when its time.

    It feels so free from all the bull shit….. hidden in the woods far a way from the stench of the city zombies and suburban statists.

  98. lol…perfect.

    I just hope its not happening right now.

    I’ve never even stepped foot in the shack. I setting my bar very low the first day I open the door.

  99. Wars and rumors of wars…

    I’ve noticed recently during the Nobel Peace Prize Winner’s tutelage, we’ve turned the blind eye not only toward Syria and Libya, but Venezuela and the Ukraine.

    Kind of like Iran.

    President Platitude and his engagement of unengaged. What does this feckless President of ours do anymore? He has no plan for the economy (obviously).

    Have we come full circle and are back to climate change? {snicker}

    Rutherford. Barack Obama is in so far over his head, we might as well not have a President.

  100. Gorilla. You do live in a bubble. You need get home, hiding from sun light, and watch countless hours of MSNBC before you can say you live outside a buddle.

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    I’ll bet with the weather this year, Mr. “R” has been a tad busy with disgruntled AAA policy holders.

  101. Rutherford – there is a great article in Forbes: advice to Millennial generation:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrezza/2014/02/21/10-ways-to-dodge-the-millennial-curse/

    It’s worth reading, memorizing, and sending to all your acquaintances. My favorites:

    1) Stop voting for people that are robbing you!

    3) Hope is not a strategy. No village has your back. We are not all in this together. If you don’t look out for yourself, no one else will. So if you’ve decided to go to college, pick a major that pays well. You’ll have the rest of your life to appreciate art and literature.

    8) Start appreciating the power of market economies to deliver the goods, compared to the failure of centrally planned economies. If you study the disasters socialism has visited on the world, you may not be doomed to repeat them.

    And, at the end: As bleak as things may look, keep in mind that Rome wasn’t destroyed in a day. It will take yet one more generation to turn America into Greece, so you still have time to avoid that fate. But you’ll need to move fast.

  102. it sounds like a pretty nice shack, rabbit. You should enjoy it.

    I also like the Forbes article.

    MIchelle Obama said “Young people are knuckleheads, which is why they need Obamacare.”

    Why is the FCC studying “perceived station bias” and plans to ask reporters and editors why they use certain stories?

    Are our news sellers such knuckleheads they need our government to tell them how to report?

    Have we crossed the line yet?

  103. A body doesn’t die all at once, and neither does a civilization. Some sections of southern France preserved enclaves of Roman life for maybe 200 years. King Arthur may have created one of the last outposts of the empire in England. Red states may be playing the same role as liberals destroy blue states and cities like Detroit..

  104. Holy shit. Can you imagine how much freedom and privacy we would lose if Rutherford and his friends didn’t get any resistance?

    20 hours of slave time to get married in Colorado. Your kid can’t pass the 6 grade unless Dad takes a class not to be a molester.

    Fuck the state and its constant demands for us to kiss its ring finger.

    I almost want to be forced to take the class by Big Brother. They would have no idea how bad the class room management issue would be with me sitting in the back row.

    And Rutherford has the balls to lecture us about not trusting people as the state encroaches upon virtually all aspects of our private life.

    And Pfessor fears the Dominionists? He should pray at his daughter’s Celtic festival on the Solstice (all for irony’s sake, of course) that it’s only the Church finger wagging him (gasp..the horror) and not THE STATE clubbing him.

    It’s been years since I’ve learned about the nefarious Dominionists. I have yet to see any legislation proposed from the religious right but I sure feel hot government breath on my neck and it stinks of liberalism.

    I despise liberals. Fucking despise them. Makes me hate the state knowing there are so many strong forces within it wanting to step on me for my own good.

    “Crush this infamous thing” was never about God, Pfessor. It was the state.

  105. DR first of all a shack doesn’t have two bathrooms, you Mitt Romney wannabe motherfucker. :-)

    Second, how are you gonna hang here with no Internet connection? Let me guess. The “shack” has a satellite dish.

  106. I didn’t bother to read the article but in your line of work Rabbit you of all people should know lots of parents suck and could use a class.

    Liberal intrusion my ass. If conservatives TAUGHT the class you’d be jumping for joy.

  107. Tex most pundits agree that the America’s Jobs Act introduced a couple years ago by Obama would have helped. But then there’s Congress.

    Still as economically naive as ever.

    Like the trillion dollar stimulus saved us from Depression, right? Get real, Rutherford. Most these “pundits” couldn’t find their ass cheeks with both hands. Most of them are convinced people ducking out of the workforce is a good thing. Most of these are believing one in five families drawing food stamps will economically stimulate the economy. Most of these pu…..

    Oh yeah. You’re one of the pundits.

    I’ve got a suggestion. One even President Dumb Cluck can handle. One that even he can’t screw up if he would so choose.

    Get government out of the way, forget the needless regulation, and cancel Obamacare.

  108. “I have yet to see any legislation proposed from the religious right.”

    You’re joking right? WTF do you think the Moral Majority was? Who the hell do you think Rick Santorum represents?

    Please man stay away from that shack. You’re already 50% headed toward Ted Kaczynski.

  109. “most pundits agree”

    Let’s see that list, please.

    ———————————-

    Attention young people…its not that we need your money to pay for all of the old and unhealthy people…it’s that you’re all dumb fucks…thats why you need insurance. — Sincerely, The First Lady of the United States.

  110. Yeah, remember the 2012 “Jumpstart Our Business Startups Act,” (get it, the “JOBS” Act) signed into law by Obama which was supposed to create jobs by making it easier for companies to raise money and go public. Remember that R? The one all pundits (and the scientific community) agree was a winner.

  111. Rutherford doesn’t have enough information to speak against state-mandated parenting classes, but he has enough information to call others out for partisan hypocrisy and comparisons to religious practices.

    Personally, I think mandating a parenting class and then punishing the kid for non-compliance is medieval. We’re going to hold children responsible for the sins of their parents now? I can’t even believe any part of this was even put down on paper, let alone being actually entertained.

  112. “Liberal intrusion my ass. If conservatives TAUGHT the class you’d be jumping for joy.”

    Yeah sure I would. I love all the things conservative law makers do in terms of education. You got me pegged.

    The Catholic Church does indeed make you take classes. And your comparison is exactly my point. Your church is the state. Forced baptism. No choice in the matter, you jihadist.
    Your Pope is some dike in a pants suit making 45 grand a year lecturing a very captive audience with her coffee breath….the power of the state behind her..
    As if state education stops molester Dad’s…..

    My shack is a single wide trailer. Yes, we will have internet for my wife’s work. And a massive short wave antenna, too.

    There was once a time when liberals loved nature and celebrated going out in the woods under the stars. Dylan made the Basement Tapes with the Band in a place much like my own…..maaan.

    What happened to you guys? Even your endearing qualities are gone. Other libs I know have snarked about my new cabin in the woods too.

  113. “Ehhh Muffy Catholics have been doing mandatory pre-marriage counseling for years. Got an objection to that? Didn’t think so.” -R

    I can’t get over this comment. Can you guys believe we are dealing with a man who thinks in terms of “your church vs mine”? Except his church is the state????? That’s the dichotomy that forms in his mind?

    You are a fucking danger, Rutherford. Not me. Dude….you can edit and use proper English. But you are fish food for Leviathan. Dunce. I really mean this.

    I cant believe I’m stating the obvious but no, Rutherford, the Catholic Church should not force you to take classes. Your analogy makes the hairs on my neck stand up. Fuck your liberal Inquizition.

    Rutherford is a Secular Roundhead……

  114. “Ehhh Muffy Catholics have been doing mandatory pre-marriage counseling for years. Got an objection to that? Didn’t think so.”

    It’s indoctrination you dolt. Now why would that be unacceptable for the state?

    “What happened to you guys?”

    I wondered the same thing when Rutherford wimped out on even disapproving of Obama getting his drone on. Rutherford misses the causes of the sixties but he, you know, never defended Obama’s drone program.

  115. LOL….”Dolt”.

    He really is too. I hate to say it but the guy has become a chew toy.

    He’s the student with impeccable grammar, neat penmanship and zero critical thinking skills who believes the hype of his inflated GPA.

    I’m not being mean spirited here or egotistical….but damn….I think I’m smarter then Rutherford. That’s not good for Rutherford.

  116. Is there a liberal equilvlent (sic) to Krauthammer?

    MSNBC is like Professional Wrestling. So no go there.

    Obviously my own opinions cloud things but I swear true liberal intellectuals don’t exist anymore. Is it that or I just can’t get out of my own box?

    By no means do I think the right is made up of rocket scientists. Hell….I deal with indoctrinated mindless conservatives at times. Parrots.

    But….is logic a lost art on the left? Critical thinking hollowed out of these people?

    I talk to these liberals and they can’t even follow their own premises anymore. This appeal to hyperbole and emotion…. Considering their natural inclination to empower the state….these people scare me. Proto-fascists.

  117. So now Charlie is weighing in on global warming? Damn, doctor, political pundit and now climate scientist. I’m impressed. I’ll read the article later to see if he thinks gravity is unsettled science. :roll:

  118. Rabbit! You shall pledge allegiance to Obama. The state will be your master. No more ejections. No need. Obama President for life. He knows what is best for us all. ALL HAIL OBAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAA!

    LOL that was fun.

  119. DAMN THIS STUPID IPHONE APP. Muffy I think I accidentally spammed your “flowers” comment.

    By the way I don’t tend to call myself a liberal. I’m a free thinker. As in that’s about as much as my thoughts are worth. :lol:

  120. Yeah calling Obama a mongrel is conservative intellect at its finest. Hate to break it to you Rabbit but Maddow and Hayes are smart. Chris Matthews, not so much.

    You confuse ideology with intellect. These folks are hardly lazy thinkers. You just don’t like how they think.

    And after your statement about an apolitical religious right, I’m beginning to worry about your IQ.

  121. “So now Charlie is weighing in on global warming? Damn, doctor, political pundit and now climate scientist.”

    By my score keeping that puts him +2 over Al Gore.

  122. “Yeah calling Obama a mongrel is conservative intellect at its finest.”

    Ummmm..I might be wrong, but I am pretty sure that was Ted Nugent, not Charles Krauthammer.

    The Motor City Madman is many things…but intellectual ain’t one of ‘em.

  123. “I am more patriotic than this president we have, who I consider a traitor of human and American principles.”
    Sean Penn

    “He is basically a war criminal. Honestly. He should be tried at The Hague.”
    Rosie O’donnell

    “I would like to apologize for referring to George W. Bush as a “deserter.” What I meant to say is that George W. Bush is a deserter, an election thief, a drunk driver, a WMD liar and a functional illiterate.”
    Michael Moore

    “he sounds more like a gang leader in South-Central L.A. than one that is trying to institute a policy of democracy and reconstruction in the world.”
    Al Sharpton

    “George W. Bush is evil. He is a terrorist. He is evil. He is arrogant. And he is out of control.”
    Julianne Malveaux – USA Today columnist

    “I despise him [President George W. Bush]. I despise his administration and everything they stand for….To my mind the election was stolen by George Bush and we have been suffering ever since under this man’s leadership….There has to be a movement now to really oppose what he is proposing because it’s unconstitutional, it’s immoral and basically illegal….It is an embarrassing time to be an American. It really is. It’s humiliating.”
    Jessica Lange

  124. “Bush’s actions remind me of Herman Goering’s quote during the Nuremberg Trials, where he stated: ‘…it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.'” Barbra Streisand

    “While President Bush likes to project an image of strength and courage, the real truth is that in the presence of his large financial contributors, he is a moral coward,”
    Al Gore

    “As we have learned in the past weeks, we cannot trust George W. Bush,”
    Barbra Streisand

    “George W Bush is like a bad comic working the crowd, a moron, if you’ll pardon the expression,”
    Martin Sheen

    “Just so you know, we’re ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas,”
    Natalie Maines- Dixie Chicks

    “There’s nothing you could point to in the Bush Administration with pride, Nothing. There is no way any rational, reasonable person can say that the Bush Administration has been good for America.”
    Janeane Garofalo

    “I am more patriotic than this president we have, who I consider a traitor of human and American principles.”
    Sean Penn

  125. “We all need to take a deep breath and think about being a Bush daughter and having that cross to bear. I’d go out and have a couple of drinks too,”
    Julia Roberts

    “shout a little louder if you want the president impeached.”
    Bruce Springsteen

    President Bush is “a dull and rigid man … whose philosophy is a jumble of badly sutured body parts trying to walk,” who is running for president on a platform of tragedy.
    Garrison Keillor

    “We stand a chance of getting a president who has probably killed more people before he gets into office than any president in the history of the United States.”
    Susan Sarandon

    “To start with, anti-Castro groups were vital in implementing the dirty business of the butterfly ballots ensuring Bush’s victory at the 2000 elections,”
    Oliver Stone

    “George Bush doesn’t care about black people,”
    Kanye West

    “This was about oil. It wasn’t about human rights. It’s not about human rights….It is the Bush/Cheney cartel’s fault….Team Bush is more radically corrupt than Richard Nixon ever tried to be….It is, in fact, a conspiracy of the 43rd Reich.”
    janeane garofalo

    “I think George Bush is such an embarrassment to America in the way that he doesn’t take the rest of the world into consideration.”
    Gwyneth Paltrow

    “He is supposed to be America’s president, but he’s not my president, I didn’t vote for him,”
    Carlos Santana

    “This week President Bush implemented a military tribunal … which will make it easier for us to execute (people).”
    Danny Glover

    “I wasn’t raised in George Bush’s America, and I wouldn’t be comfortable in it.”
    Richard Dreyfuss

  126. President George Bush “is just dim,”
    George Clooney

    “What did Bush do on 9/11? He ran away and hid.
    George Clooney

    “I don’t think that (U.S. President) George Bush…is a man of honor,”
    Harry Belafonte

    “I don’t like Bush,” she said. “I don’t trust him. I don’t like his record. He’s stupid. He’s lazy.”
    Cher

    “We live in a time with ficticious election results that elect fictious presidents. We live in a time when we have a man sending us to war for fictious reasons. We are against this war Mr. Bush. Shame on you. Shame on you!”
    Michael Moore

    “This guy is as bright as an egg-timer,”
    Chevy Chase

    “There are people dying and (the U.S. government is) not putting the boats in the water. I think that’s criminal negligence. I don’t think anybody ever anticipated the criminal negligence of the Bush administration in this situation.”
    Sean Penn

    “Being a man, I’ve got to say that we’ve got this guy in the White House who thinks he is a man, you know, who projects himself as a man because he has a certain masculinity, and he’s a good old boy, and he used to drink, and he knows how to shoot a gun and how to drive a pickup truck, et cetera, like that. That’s not the definition of a man, God dammit!”
    Ed Harris

  127. “No matter what the greatest tyrant in the world, the greatest terrorist in the world, George W. Bush says, we’re here to tell you: Not hundreds, not thousands, but millions of the American people … support your revolution,”
    Harry Belafonte

    “President Bush is a liar,”
    Harry Reid

    “Bush is an incompetent leader. In fact, he’s not a leader,”
    Nancy Pelosi- Democrat Speaker of the House

    “[George W. Bush is] a half-wit President who was not legally elected”.
    Moby

    “I’d say if you live in the United States of America and you vote for George Bush, you’ve lost your mind.”
    John Edwards

    “You, Misters Bush and Cheney; you, Ms. Rice, are villainously and criminally obscene people, obscene human beings..”
    Sean Penn

    “We will take to the streets right now. We will delegitimize Bush, discredit him, do whatever it takes, but never accept him,”
    Jesse Jackson

    “I feel that George Bush’s actions are desecrating the America that I grew up in and believed in. He is making us an imperialist government.
    Ed Asner

    “Our current administration needs to be tried, hung and shot. We need to treat them like the war criminals they are.”
    Rage Against the Machine

    “I don’t want add fuel to the fire, but I don’t know what it’s going to take for people to really wake up and understand that they (the Bush Administration) are liars and they are murderers.”
    Joy Behar

  128. I still think it’s worth saying that what Ted Nugent said was fucked up.

    “Subhuman mongrel” has some pretty direct racial connotations. It does nothing but give the race baiters something to point at.

    There’s plenty to criticize this president about without resorting to that. Ted Nugent needs to STFU.

  129. Rutherford 167 is one of the dumbest comments you have written in a long time. You are better than that. Read the article before you comment. You have missed its point.

    Obama blamed the California drought on global warming or climate change. That is a crock intended to indoctrinate hapless fools. You are likely smarter than I, but I know more about weather and climate than you do. I am not being arrogant, I am stating a fact. Read the article and then comment.

  130. If your argument is that Nugent went over the line usually tresspassed by liberal celebrities and politicians, then I don’t disagree with you.

  131. Rutherford, 169, some members of my family have also been free thinkers. An ancestor in pioneer days lost an election because he was a free thinker,

  132. I bet if Rutherford found out tomorrow that a liberal invented that friggen app he is constantly crying about we’d start seeing ads for it in his twitter feed.

  133. Ted Nugent deserves as much outrage as the quotes muffy cited. Since most of those statements produced yawns, Nugent will not upset me, though I disapprove. We can feel outrage when liberals go ape over their members’ bigoted comments.

  134. “And after your statement about an apolitical religious right, I’m beginning to worry about your IQ.”

    You should have been worrying about my IQ a long time ago.

    The religious right is far from apolitical. What I mean is what has the religious right pulled off?

    Were heading towards gay marriage not away from it.

    Has Roe vs Wage been overturned?

    What….they stopped partial birth abortion? Oh the horror!

    They get mocked on virtually all mediums except for a few niche media outlets.

    Now Progressives…they get shit done. And I feel it. Fucking stings.

    Has the religious right stung you before?

  135. “If your argument is that Nugent went over the line usually tresspassed by liberal celebrities and politicians, then I don’t disagree with you.”

    I’m not really making an argument so much as I am doing what most liberals fail to do. I wanted to take away the “where were you when Ted Nugent said…”

  136. The Nuge is an egomaniac of the highest order.

    My wife and I have a running joke where one of us acts like the Nuge displaying his expertise in something (usually something outdoor related) and whatever the other person says, fake Nuge says the opposite.

    “Those catfish whiskers will sting”.

    “No, those wont hurt you”.

    On and on and on.

    Kind of an inside joke and probably not a funny one but we have had several laugh attacks doing that shtick while up north.

  137. Yeah.

    Subhuman mongrel is racist as fuck. What is he a Nazi, now?

    First I heard of that one.

    He probably hates Obama…I get that.

    But…..What’s his problem with mongrels?

  138. Just so I’ve got this straight Muffy you took my Nugent and raised me a dozen celebs? As wrong as a lot of the comments are they actually sound smarter than mongrel.

    The main personal insult leveled against Bush was “dumb”. The rest are policy based. Mongrel is not only personal it’s (surprise) ethnic.

    I can’t wait for this administration to end. The “racial experiment” failed from every perspective imaginable, from old bigots getting their hard on to over zealous libs seeing racism at every turn. A total fail. A very tiring experience. I know I’m worn out.

    Looking forward to 2017 and four years of real and imagined misogyny. See ya there Muffy.

  139. “The main personal insult leveled against Bush was “dumb”. The rest are policy based. Mongrel is not only personal it’s (surprise) ethnic.”

    Nugent’s hatred of Obama is also policy based. Liberals have been bashing conservatives for so long you don’t even know when you’re reading the most vile shit you can say about a person.

    We don’t generally act that way. Nugent just happens to have sounded as fucked up as your average liberal celebrity.

  140. Ted is my people, though I have to admit. His band was practically born 5 blocks from my house. I still play softball at the park the Amboy Dukes started off at.

    I had this bad ass history teacher who would always tell us the story when Ted drove his motor cycle down the hall of my high school.

    That teacher always had a pack of Kool Milds hanging out of his front pocket and would light you up so bad you thought he was going to stab you to death. Dude didn’t take shit from nobody.

    I remember I farted real loud in class, interrupting his lecture and he slowly walked over to me, passed me up and screamed at the top of his lungs “Deal With It” at my buddy who couldn’t stop laughing. My wanna be tough guy buddy instantly sat up straight and shut the fuck up. I couldn’t believe I wasn’t the one in trouble.

    Teacher is long dead. Learned a lot from that dude.

    My high school was a rough place, fellers. Dirty white boys.

    Strangely one of our rival schools has the same legend about Ted….but you guessed it…fuck Redford.

  141. “LOL I got so excited I wrote “ejections” instead of elections. Lucky I didn’t write erections.”

    Chinaman: “Of course we have elections in China.

    I had one this morning.”

  142. Come to think of it…..why do people care about Ted Nugent so much?

    Slim Shady just ripped on homos again and its not even a conversation piece on the left. And he is 100 times a bigger star.

    Liberals are very finicky when it comes to their faux outrage. Weird.

    Your pretty sure Penn is outraged? You would think so.

    Funny, because when Bush was Prez we were more then “pretty sure” where Penn stood.

    Penn must just internalize his anger much more now. That can’t be healthy.

    Same with you.

  143. Libs roundly condemned Slim back in the day. I’m real surprised he went there again. I do like Mitch McConnell’s adage “there is nothing learned from the second kick of a mule.”

  144. “So now Charlie is weighing in on global warming? Damn, doctor, political pundit and now climate scientist. I’m impressed. I’ll read the article later to see if he thinks gravity is unsettled science.”

    Didn’t even read the first line. :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Harvard?

    Unreal.

  145. Speaking of elections in China, I know I’ve said this before but this job is turning me into a bigot. The thick accents from citizens drives me crazy. Mofo can barely make himself understood but has enough English to call me “dude”.

    Hey asshole, why don’t you spend as much time learning our proper language as you do learning our slang? Duuuude.

  146. I would say most people from my hood are racist, including probably Ted.

    It takes a lot not to be racist and hold grudges where I’m from. Sometimes I think that’s forgotten.

    My Dad has three huge scars on is head that slowly emerged as he grew older and thinned out. A reminder of blacks attacking him because he was white with those mini bats they give out at Tiger games. Left him for dead in a puddle of blood. Without exaggeration I could whine on and on about all our violent episodes involving blacks.

    But I don’t think about it much. You got to get over shit and judge each man, safely from a distance, for the dude he really is. Not some dumb connection to another person 15 years ago.

  147. “Libs roundly condemned Slim back in the day”

    LOL…Elton John did a fucking duet with him. Maybe The Boss will do Cat Scratch Fever with Ted at the next Grammies to punish the Nuge like Eminem. Bull shit. Complaining about it in a footnote after raving about his genius doesn’t count. He was not condemned in any meaningful way. Ted has been banned long before some of his racist shit.

  148. After five years of browbeating by this “me policy critic, you racist” bullshit I’m finally to the point where I don’t care about someone else’s racism or not racism anymore. I just can’t muster up the urge to care. Not even Attny General Holder and especially not over some celebrity from the 70s.

  149. “Looking forward to 2017 and four years of real and imagined misogyny. See ya there Muffy.”

    The thing is, Rutherford, I won’t be jumping on the bandwagon. It’s wrong – very wrong – to do what the left has done to race relations. And for what? Power and political gain. And you’ve been party to it.

  150. Muffy all I can say is you will be put to the test. Hillary will inspire some genuinely sexist bullshit as well as hypersensitive misandrists (h/t to Tex for his fav word) being perpetually offended. It will be fascinating to see how you evaluate each incident.

  151. Mofo can barely make himself understood but has enough English to call me “dude”
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Now you know how us crackers feel when we’re talking to Lanteesha trying to figure out why our cable just went out. Like Rachel Jeantel on the line.

    You old… :twisted:

  152. Ha ha….Tex, I bet you know more proper jive then Rutherford does. R sounds like a proper English gentleman compared to you in the black community.

    Watch. I will say the same thing in jive and R will be lost.

    Theeeeeeeeeeeeit. Tex…you be real mafucker….Rutherford sobisticated ass nigga. Rutherford be a triflin ass mafucker up in here…Talk about how he go to school and shit. Fuck day shit up nigga.

  153. Speaking of elections in China, I know I’ve said this before but this job is turning me into a bigot. The thick accents from citizens drives me crazy. Mofo can barely make himself understood but has enough English to call me “dude”. -Rutherford

  154. Damn…I struck out too! That video above was supposed to go to this quote:

    So now Charlie is weighing in on global warming? Damn, doctor, political pundit and now climate scientist. I’m impressed. I’ll read the article later to see if he thinks gravity is unsettled science.”

  155. R: Here is a great explanation of what your Prez. Obama is doing to your country. It’s called the “Curley Effect.”

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2012/05/31/president-obamas-wealth-destroying-goal-taking-the-curley-effect-nationwide/

    In a nutshell, its a manifestation of having so many people on the dole that they become a majority. They keep voting in politicians who promise to increase the dole, causing the producers, whose money must be confiscated to finance the whole thing, to flee. This flight eliminates any potential challengers to the politico, consolidating his power.

    Of course the ultimate result is bankruptcy, although federal transfer payments (“stimulus” if you are an Obama-ite) can postpone that for decades.

    The archetype would be Rome, where the few ended up supporting the many, and Detroit, the “first third-world city in America.”

    Not like you weren’t warned, my friend…

  156. I think Tingles Mathews actually is more an intellectual than either Hayes or Maddow. The former is an arrogant dick head but one who has a record of actually entering policy/politics in a manner though not lacking passion slant embraced realities. The latter are pure dreamers and spewers who are never and will never be held accountable for their spew.
    Rutherford your view on this reveals more about you than you likely imagine.

  157. The passing of the classic American liberal. Why be a society drop off the grid stoner when you can clean up nice,live in the burbs and drive a Subaru or Volvo? Why indeed. Add to this that the right wing nuts have taken to the woods in a paranoia fueled frenzy that quite simply makes the woods too dangerous a place for someone raised on Feiffer cartoons and granola.

  158. I saw a neat article about the Grammys and liberals. It looked at the two artists Macklemore and Lorde and how their thrifty themed songs (Thrift Shop & Royals respectively)as opposed to the uber bling standard fare is just so creative.The article when on about how progressives have a history of being of the “we know better than you” position. It had some good points. Clearly Macklemore wins more nods secondary to his pandering to homosexuals but his other tunes that folks find catchy drive sales. Eminem didn’t make a fortune due to fear or loathing of gays. Only art humps and critics believe the artistic stylings bullshit. If a song is catchy it really doesn’t matter the message it gets bought. As for Lorde I think she should fear the fans who will undoubtedly crush her sophomore effort.

  159. No offense to their fans but I don’t think the political rantings of Nugent or Norris carry the same package weight as those listed by Muffy. The widespread primetime nature of the ones Muffy cited as well as the settings they were deployed give them much much more umphh.
    Add the British comic former Mr Katie Perry calling Bush a retard at the awards show. (Russell Brand)

  160. I don’t remember the Bush Administration ever sending the DoJ or IRS after any of the folks that spoke against Bush or made movies of him getting assassinated

  161. Great article, Parker. That is exactly what Obama is doing. There’s another side to the Curley effect too.

    Oligarchy. And that’s why the super rich and/or super connected don’t mind the poverty. It assures them of control for years to come and they’re rich enough to simply jump ship when the time of rot arrives.

  162. re 224, so true. We’ve talked about getting the money out of politics, but like a lot of our ‘talk’, nothing ever comes of it. One answer is to have those in government NOT get an opportunity to vote – for themselves or others. Makes sense to me. THEY are the representatives. Why should they get to decide who can stay or who needs to go? It is like having the police police themselves, or any other institution perform its own internal investigations. We have a long list of CYA ‘investigations’ labeled ‘official’ that protect the perps rather than bring them to bear any form of justice.

    We’ve passed the tipping point in the U S of A and that 47 percent Rmoney talked of has crept up to become a political majority.

    But don’t expect the GOP to tip the scales in the other direction. In that sense, Rutherford is right. They have done their part over the past decades to increase the size and scope of government. There is no political solution to our woes. There is no ideology that will save us from ourselves.

    We are so similar to what Rome was like. This path of self-destruction is well-worn and familiar.

  163. It’s worth noting that Ted Nugent also apologized for what he said. Which is more than anyone on Muffy’s list did, except for Kanye West.

  164. Good point, Huck.

    Re Rome:

    A number of angry populations are protesting. The Ukrainians are the most successful now because they are armed and have a coherent strategy. They have two things going for them. One is their hatred of Russia. Another is their culture. Children are taught to unite to protest injustice. Ukrainians have a distrust of governmental authority, and they rely on each other for help in times of need.

    Negatives are that the people are as fragmented as Iraq’s population is. Some writers have suggested Ukraine should be partitioned, because a large segment of the population is Russian or is sympathetic, and other mutually hostile ethnic groups live in close proximity..

    A Ukrainian man with a second home in the US dramatized the poverty and resentment by describing an old woman who was in the checkout lane ahead of him in a well-stocked supermarket.
    She bought only one potato and nothing else because it was all she could afford for that day’s meal.

    Our own government is stockpiling guns and ammunition. Some if this is legitimate insurance, but I wonder if they are preparing to murder their own people should the situation warrant. unlike the Ukrainians and others, our people will remain peaceful as long as the government has the means to sedate them with “bread and circuses”.

    Ukrainians in Omaha are organizing a fund raiser for the protesters. A spokesman said he is afraid of a civil war. He hates the government, and he loves America because of the contrast between the two countries.

    I met a Ukrainian teenager on line. She likes Radioactive by Imagine Dragons, and she is partial to Macy Kate’s cover of the song because Macy is only 15. She is nervous and scared, and also hates the government. She wrote that the song “speaks” to her.
    ” I raise my flag, put on my clothes. Its a revolution, I suppose.We’ll paint it red to fit right in…I’m waking up. I feel it in my bones. Enough to make my systems blow. Welcome to the new age.” She knows people demonstrating in Kiev.

    Actress Mila Kunis who got her start on That Seventies Show is from Ukraine. Her family moved to America because of anti-Jewish discrimination.

    If we come to Rome’s end, I don’t think we will go quietly.

  165. “Why be a society drop off the grid stoner ” Alphey

    You know…..I think I’ve come to terms taking residence of that new wing of the Republican Party.

    As for the woods being over run with crazy dangerous dooms day preppers, you don’t really believe that do you?

    I have recently found that stereotype is way more pervasive then I ever thought.

    Well…chalk me up as one of them. Except for the dangerous part. I can’t even go to a public beach because I’m so worried about my fellow human being.

    And I probably wouldn’t last 4 days off the grid.

    I do listen so pod casts on self reliance and find it to be an enjoyable hobby to at least try to be prepared for a disaster. I hold no illusions that I could. Shitty hunter. Shitty mechanic. Shitty farmer. Shitty carpenter. Shitty shot. Yeah….I’m fucked.

  166. Rabbit I was poking fun at the former pro off grid hippie types. Do I believe the woods are over run by right wing paranoid nuts? No not fully but I believe two of the strongest elements one can meet in the “wild” these days include them and criminal types. I do indeed believe times have changed and the libs will take more to the cities and burbs.
    Fwiw I think it’s cool you have a get away place even if it never amounts to anything other than a place your boys build a ton of vacation memories at, that alone makes it priceless. Alfie.

  167. It depends on where the woods are. Our area is so thinly populated the most one can find is some wild animals and maybe a mountain lion. Its true a neighbor stumbled upon a drug deal, and was shot at,but the main danger is nervous deer hunters. We used to summer graze our cattle on 160 acres of partly cut forest and grass land, and no one bothered them for the years our cattle visited there.

    I also think its cool you have a nice place in the woods.

  168. Alphie, the funny thing is as much as I want to tell you its Mayberry where my compound is at, its actually a tad rogue and lawless. Like Rutherford chides us, lot of white people living on the dole there. In fact, while family is included on the other side of the deal, even the land deal itself is tied to the underworld in a way I would gladly explain over a pint but not online.

    When the Dead Rabbit family flag is officially raised, I will be with a crew of my buddies and brothers from Ted’s neighborhood all itching to fire their ARs sans range. If it’s a meth lab (which it isn’t) its going to be the O.K. Corral

    The thing about it….its so spread out. Rural scum isn’t concentrated like it is in the city. That alone means something.

  169. It’s nice to get away from civilization, though tougher than ever to achieve nowadays. I have many memories of exploring some of this earth’s beauty, rarely running into other humans. At times, in certain places, even fantasized as being the first human to stand there. Ahh, youth. Don’t they say it’s wasted on the young? It’s much easier to get lost in the city…

  170. Just to be clear my mocking of Rabbits getaway has nothing to do with my begrudging it. I just like to poke at him cos he used to bust my chops about living in 3000 square feet and now I live month to month in 1000 square feet and DR has two, count ‘em, two properties, one of them more acres than he can count (nor will probably ever cultivate).

    I just think its funny as hell how the worm turns.

  171. “No Teds apology was the usual non-apology. Nice try Huck.”

    Oh I make no denials of that.

    And yet his token gesture was still more than any given by those others, so my statement stands.

    Nice try, Rutherford.

  172. Ok I will concede lib celebs don’t tend to apologize but lib pundits have, two cases in point Bashir and MHP.

    I have mixed feelings about celebs mouthing off. They are citizens after all. But there are times when regardless of ideology I just want to tell them to shut up and sing.

  173. “DR has two, count ‘em, two properties, one of them more acres than he can count (nor will probably ever cultivate).’ -R

    lol…..well…..unfortunately…I think the way I wrote it made it sound more epic. My hide out is only 7 acres connected to 500 or more private acres.

    I bought for it less then people spend on a new car….if that puts it in perspective.

  174. Eminem never really apologized…..so….it should be no surprise he did it again. He was given a free pass.

  175. Of course we know why….had the storm of outrage raged against him it would have had to against all other hip hop artists. And black people as a whole have a free pass from the left to be misogynist homophobes. After all, deep down the left has so low expectations of their pets.

    No…the outrage from the left is always selective, always partisan. So hard to care what they say about that stuff, as Muffy points out.

  176. You know Rabbit I may be in the minority on this but I think your current status vindicates your decision to tell your bank to go to hell. I played by “the rules” and yet I think you have more peace of mind.

    To be honest it only adds to my inferiority complex that it took my Dad’s death to get me out of debt. I never asked him for a dime while he was alive and now look — he’s bailing me out anyway. :-(

    Yes I could give all the money to charity but I have a family to support.

  177. I must admit I agree with the low expectations comment. It’s embedded in this drive toward making sentences just instead of telling blacks to stop committing crime in the first place.

  178. Twitchy

    Weird Al Yankovic responds to rumors he was “just ousted as President of Ukraine.” A CNN reporter mispronounced President Yanukovyhch’s name, but another reporter corrected him. It was enough to start a rumor.

    Al tweeted “Thank you all for your letters of condolence, but no,I was not just ousted as President of Ukraine. Some other guy.”

    I agree about entertainers, Rutherford,.

  179. ” I played by “the rules” and yet I think you have more peace of mind.”

    Walking was the best decision I ever made. Even the consequences I thought I would have to deal with never came to fruition.

    I have been extended credit. I don’t use it other then at Costco (and pay if off)

    My situation might have been unique though. The housing market collapsed so much here that it was possible to not pay your mortgage and then buy a mediocre house with cash. I bought my house for 225…..it sold for 95 at the sheriff’s sale If I remember correctly. Had to go Billy Zane on the Titanic.

    I also ended up being very lucky. I made money on silver options (down payment on future land contract) and was later awarded a settlement (pay the bitch off). I’d say it was a game changer…..but…..considering I was in already in a successful land contract…not really. My family already had a roof over its head.

  180. Walking also allowed me to make decisions that were huge for my family.

    Because we quit paying, my wife could then threaten to quit if they didn’t let her work from home. Her work lost that game of chicken and now my wife makes 55 grand standing in our kitchen taking care of our kids.

    Huge.

    It set off this positive domino effect.

  181. Morality becomes blurred when it comes to taking care of your family. To this day, i still can’t figure out if what I did was right or wrong. People make cases for both…and both make sense.

    It was a tough decision. When the collapse hit, we both looked like we were going to be laid off! So, I could keep paying on a house that has lost more then half its value and then end up losing it anyways.

    It was like an exercise in game theory.

  182. @ rabbit yeah I wish you well man. The trials of real life real time stuff like you faced can be something regards ones character. My dad no great one taught me one thing and that was you put your family above you. He failed to learn that lesson himself but the preaching stayed with me and I admire it when I see it others.
    On a less moo shy note Ukraine WOW!!!
    Also a read on Snowden http://www.the-american-interest.com/articles/2014/02/06/snowden-and-the-fools-who-love-him/
    Some obvious shilling for a book but also food for thought perspective stuff too.
    AZ joins KS in acquiring the wraths of the gays. I just had to talk my son through the pro fag spin cycle. What the laws actually are beyond the dueling ends of the spectrum are nothing to wringe about in truth they provide a referee that assures some mutual tolerance that has been lacking.
    @ Rutherford the problem with your # 237 is that the market share and it’s hypocrisy favors your folks. Norris in Newsmax or Frontline Mag pales in comparison to the MSM coverage your fucktards enjoy.
    Also give me and the rest of us a break over the false apologies of those you cite. The MALICE of their attacks affords zero acceptance of apologies offered.

  183. “Yes I could give all the money to charity but I have a family to support.”

    Heck with that. Your dad wanted you to have it or he wouldn’t have left it to you.

  184. Got that right Huck. I will role over in my grave if my boys start pulling some pride shit after they get their birth right of Dead Rabbit booty.

    The whole inheritance goal thing has made me look at my death with a slightly festive attitude. The inheritance I leave will have an aesthetic to it. Treasure map, bitches!….. so help me God.

  185. You are of course right Huck. But I gave gained a new appreciation for wealthy men (my Dad wasn’t) who leave their kids nothing but memories.

    While I will save some and spend some it will never be my money. I didn’t work for it. I was just lucky to have a frugal Dad who saw no reason to blow it all while he was alive. But he had every right to and never owed me a dime of it.

    I have pledged in his memory that I will never get so badly in debt again that I need an inheritance to get out of the hole.

  186. Ms Perry would have known the photos that were to be used in the “caption this” segment. She knew what was coming. She may have been sorry after the fact but she still thought it was funny in the first place. Which tells me Ms Perry feels sorry for Ms Perry.

  187. I feel the same as you about inheritances, Rutherford. My brother and I inherited a lot of money from my mother. She had saved whatl she earned from giving piano lessons and all of her Social Security checks because she wanted to be sure there was enough money to bury her and my father.

    The money helped with inheritance taxes and to pay off some debts owed on the farm, but we put most of it in savings. I don’t feel right spending it outside of emergencies. It may be there for our grand daughter, and in that way, our parents will be contributing something to a girl they would have loved to have met.

  188. Bill Maher is definitely worse than Ted Nugent. So are his audiences who don’t seem to be upset by his serial verbal abuse,

  189. Rabbit,

    That’s your body telling you to oil up before frequent masturbation. :wink:

    What a drag…You can become like me and be celibate. Everything else will ail you, but you don’t have to worry about your penis much. :smile:

  190. Inheritance? What’s that? My grandfather, the only one who had money in our family of white trash, left instructions to my parents and me that the lake home he owned would remain in the family.

    Fifteen years after his death, my folks sold it and fixed their own home. My inheritance was a cheap set of dinner plates and his prize bass mount that hangs out on my back patio. I think I’ll start lying and tell people I caught it. Whoopee! And my mother, bless her soul, is so tight, her knees creak when she walks. My dad left me a ring which I had appraised when I had it sized at $3,500. Of course, I wear my own wedding ring about 1% of the time, so that pretty ring collects dust in bowl too. Somebody will kick my front door in one day and poof, that will be gone to the local pawn shop I expect. I should put it in a safety deposit box I share with my mom, but occasionally, like a funeral I attended last week, I wear it like a tie.

    When my mother-in-law died, she did leave the five kids of hers something which helped pay for our kid’s college. But you can blow through $50K real quick in college these days. Like about a year and a half for one kid at a private university.

    My youngest daughter has been to Europe three times before the age of 22. I’m still waiting for my first trip out of the country. :mad:

    I’ve never been so poor. I got to thinking this morning, it’s been 11 years since I received a paycheck. Gulp.

    But the good news is, on my second trip around installing the hardwood floors, this one turned out damn good. I think it looks better than the “professionals” who installed our bedroom and office.

    The key is to have the Mexicans and their fancy sanding machine sand it for you. They charged me $306. It cost me $150 from Home Depot for their shitty equipment when I did the first room. LOL

    My machine plugged into the wall. These Mexicans required a 220 and you could have licked the floor without dust when they were through.

  191. So Rutherford. I guess you’ve probably had an incredibly busy winter this year. Did your pop leave you enough to tell that asshole supervisor of yours where to jump ship?

    You ought to quit and get back to blogging, or drive down to Oklahoma and help my with my projects while we philosophize about life and argue politics.

  192. James – You struck it perfectly about Ukraine. It is a history of restlessness and an unwillingness to be shoved about. US used to be like that, but look at the shite that is going on in your own capital:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/23/trial-mark-witaschek-washington-dc-one-shotgun-she/

    They arrested and are prosecuting the poor beggar because he kept a misfired shotgun shell from a hunt long ago as a souvenir. He has NO guns in the house and no other ammunition. He is facing 6 months jail time for “attempted possession” of ONE UNREGISTERED FUCKING NONFUNCTIONAL SHOTGUN SHELL, for God’s sake! Do you know how crazy that sounds? Do you know why they reduced the charges to “attempted?” Because he loses his option for a jury trial. And I thought the kangaroos were all in Australia.

    What the hell is wrong with your people in the cities? Why do they put up with this? I think a lot of it is because everybody has become drugged by the dole and have lost the gravel in their guts and have no lead in their pencils any more.

    Do you want the whole kit and kaboodle to become like Australia, where you can’t own a goddamned thing that shoots? Jesus Christ, do something!

  193. i’m glad Rutherford 264. That money was a gift from the grave to be used wisely.

    Yes, Bill Maher did call out MSNBC, and he has said similar things before. He is still a serial verbal abuser.

    I agree about the Mexicans, Tex. Neighbors used to hire them to hand weed soy beans. Our family did our own, A family invited some of my wife’s students to a wedding in Mexico City. The Mexicans had a nice middle class home and two car garage they had paid for by living in a camper and working hard in the US during the growing season.

    Do you remember when some of us wrote that OamaCare would kill people? Ann Coulter cited a survey which shows that the US has the highest survival rate in the world for heart disease, cancer, and diabetes. ObamaCare will operate similarly to systems in those countries.

    Betsy’s Page provides an anecdote.; A woman with cancer lost her policy and is having trouble navigating the red tape jungle.

    I have been walking about a half mile each day since September, and I have lost 13 pounds so far.The trip lasts seven to ten minutes. I have cross country skied for thirty times this winter, sometimes on a half inch of snow on grass or in corn stubble.

    A study shows that a brisk walk three times a day, besides helping one stay in shape may also prevent disease related dementia. Cells in the hypocalmus multiply. The best way to personally beat ObamaCare is to stay healthy. I hope you all are around for a long time, and excercise may do it.

  194. Tigre – re: sitcom. Maybe you’ve heard of “Vising Angels” – home visits by caring volunteers to help older folks with chores, meals, company, etc. I’ve often thought about an old liberal lady paired up with Tex and he’d go to her home every day and and unclog her sink and play Scrabble with her, make her something to eat, watch some jeopardy.

    Imagine his Scrabble words.

    Wouldn’t THAT be a hilarious sitcom? Of course you and Rabbit would play recurring roles as Tex’s buds.

  195. :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Muffy, perfect. Don’t be giving it all away though. There could be Seinfeld like royalties for this.

  196. I’ve been getting a blow by blow and word from the boys in the SCOTUS global warming arguments how well they went on the certiorari from the DC circuit. The ruling may ultimately not have the wide reaching effect it should. However, the headlines are (properly) framing it as Obama overreach through regulatory mechanisms (i.e. EPA/carbon emission regulations without oversight). That is a radical change in how the MSM has approached anything on the issue that the warmist cult demands of it.

  197. Well I thought I had achieved a literary first by having “jerking off” and “allure” in the same comment but Tigre one-upped me with “blow by blow” and “certiorari”. :-)

  198. So Tex let me understand this. Your wife is away much of the time, you don’t wear your wedding ring AND she does not kick your ass? Did I get that right?

  199. My Dad used to tell me “I have more money than I know what to do with”. I reiterate that he was not rich by any means but between savings, pensions and retirement accounts he had packed away a tidy sum. Even after my sister and I split the proceeds, I am now debt free for the first time in over a decade. There should be enough left over to replace both ailing cars, put away money for the kids college fund and have a chunk left over to get us through the next inevitable layoff AND then stow the remainder in a moderate risk mutual fund.

    The only mistake I’ve made so far (and the tax advisor told me to stop crying over spilled milk) is that I used tax sheltered money to pay off my debt instead of waiting for the tax free money to come in.

    Bottom line, my Dad took care of me way better than I deserve. The only way I can thank him now is to be more financially responsible now. I was long ago so I just need to go back to my old ways.

  200. Tex, the Visiting Angel. :twisted: I’m going to visit Rutherford as the Angel of Death one day for foisting Obama on us.

    “R”, I don’t wear my wedding ring 90% of the time when my wife is here. I hate jewelry wearing. And I never go out by myself because I don’t need the temptation. lest it be The Mick and me going to get something to eat. I don’t cook much either.. Why do you think I’m such a fricking, mundane, frequent guest here? I’ve got to have something to fill my day. Thank God for Rutherford’s blog. I’d put a gun to head out of boredom.

    Couple of months ago, I was walking The Mick around a park near my house and two women (mom & daughter) started walking with me because they liked my dog – or so I thought. 20 minutes in to the conversation, I mentioned my wife lived in Houston. This old gal goes, “Oh, you’ve got a wife? You better get a ring on that finger…somebody will snatch you up.”

    Lots of lonely people in the world I’ve found. Would be damn easy to get myself in trouble, I suppose until they found out I was a bum.

  201. With all this philosophizing, I’d might as well join in:

    What deep thinkers men are… I mowed the lawn today, and after doing so I sat down and had a cold beer. The day was really quite beautiful, and the drink facilitated some deep thinking.

    My wife walked by and asked me what I was doing and I said ‘nothing’. The reason I said that instead of saying ‘just thinking’ is because she would have said ‘about what’. At that point I would have to explain that men are
    deep thinkers about various topics which would lead to other questions.

    Finally I thought about an age old question: Is giving birth more painful than getting kicked in the nuts? Women always maintain that giving birth is way more painful than a guy getting kicked in the nuts.

    Well, after another beer, and some heavy deductive thinking, I have come up with the answer to that question. Getting kicked in the nuts is more painful than having a baby; and here is the reason for my conclusion:
    A year or so after giving birth, a woman will often say, “It might be nice to have another child.”

    On the other hand, you never hear a guy say, “You know, I think I would like another kick in the nuts.” I rest my case.

    Time for another beer.

  202. “Conservative leaders recently said they were reticent about going forward on immigration reform because they couldn’t trust the President to execute the law as passed.” – Rutherford

    “WASHINGTON — Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Monday injected the Obama administration into the emotional and politicized debate over the future of state same-sex marriage bans, declaring in an interview that state attorneys general are not obligated to defend laws that they believe are discriminatory.”

    But legislative gridlock and stuff…..

    …and racism….

  203. Remember during the gun debates we used to have here…when we were saying there isn’t a need to pass more laws because people who do mass shootings would just be breaking more laws when they did it?

    And Rutherford would get all pissy and scream “THEN WHY DO WE HAVE ANY LAWS AT ALL?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!1111″

    So I ask you…guy who defends Obama’s refusals to execute laws as written

    Why, indeed, do we have any laws at all? (hypothetical, of course, because faulty apps and stuff….)

  204. Well I thought I had achieved a literary first by having “jerking off” and “allure” in the same comment but Tigre one-upped me with “blow by blow” and “certiorari”.” — R

    One is a circle jerk, the other is a circle of jerks…

    In the end, I think it you probably get the same outcome…

  205. G @287, you’re absolutely right the scope of the issues on cert, even of won, don’t defeat the ability of the mindless cult to destroy. The idiots are on a tear and unchecked. But the PR and expression of limitations are. . . well. . . something. The Rutherford-type uninitiated populist is the only thing allowing this to occur. Small victories count.

  206. “you’re absolutely right. The scope of the issues on cert, even if won, don’t defeat the ability of the mindless cult to destroy.”

    To prove my point, I saw this and it reminded me of someone here that couldn’t be bothered to spend a whole 1.5 minutes to read an article about denouncing without investigation before denouncing it.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/24/heating-up-climate-change-advocates-try-to-silence-krauthammer/

    Oh my. Look at the source. No need to read. :roll:

  207. Thanks Parker for the Ukraine comment.

    Eric Holder’s saying AG s don’t have to enforce laws they disagree with dovetails with liberals’ reaction to Charles Krauthammer’s global warming article, Some environmentalists petitioned the Washington Post not to publish the column.

    We all know the government is trying to supress dissent and many liberals agree with its methods.

    Venezuela is another sign people are getting tired of left wing governments which don’t deliver.

  208. DR, my man, need to ease up on the grip a bit. I know you’re swinging for the fences, but that’s more of a metaphor in this case…
     
    :lol: :lol:

    Remember DR. A lifetime of learning experiences tells me masturbation is more like golf than slow pitch softball. You don’t want to cuff the club too tight and try to lift the balls… :smile:

  209. What is just confounding to me is the liberal’s willingness not to think about or consider the consequences of the limitless authority they are willing to give the federal government. Just look at the NSA. As I heard someone say last night, imagine if the Nazis had access to the information being gathered by our own government — there wouldn’t be a Jew left on the planet.

    The statist mindset though won’t allow it to see past the personalities with whom they have placed all their faith and trust. I really am gob smacked at passivity and lack of concern over the outrageous, incremental overreach so obvious to anyone paying attention.

  210. “That’s only because you have a pessimistic vs an optimistic view of a dictatorship.”
    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  211. Rutherford, I’ve told you before and I am telling you again…

    Keep your eyes on Scott Walker.

    Huffpo is trying to dig up dirt on him and so far their big scandal is that the guy told people in 1988 that he was going to run for president of his college student body a few days earlier than he should have. And was punished by having to wait a whole day before officially campaigning.

  212. Huck, I just read your Huffpo bit about Walker.

    Two words: Hi Larious.

    I’m tuning in to MSNBC to see what they try to do with this. Well, unless that pompous douche Piers Morgan is on tonight and I can laugh at that oblivious Limey. Or maybe it’s time to try that picture-in-picture thing on my new fangled teevee receiver that we’ve had for months but I haven’t learned to use.

  213. ET, the comments are even more hilarious.

    It seems that Walker is not fit to be president because he has spent his whole career in politics and has no private sector experience.

    Oh…and he doesn’t have a college degree, either!

    Well, at least he won’t have to hide his transcripts, will he?

    Oh yeah….and he’s done Koch…as opposed to our current president, who’s done coke.

  214. The comments are priceless. The same idiots that have no problem with the Biden the college plagiarizer and cheat or Ted Kennedy with the same credential (and killer of a young girl to boot) are going on and on about his unfitness from his -ill-timed announcement in college that he was going to run.

    What next? Did he strap a dog to the roof of his car or have a wife that rode dem dayncin’ horsies?

  215. The same idiots who have no problem with Obama having spent his entire life in politics and having absolutely no private sector experience.

  216. Uh, he’s black. Duh.

    Now an important credential. So what was Bill Clinton’s private sector experience again? Biden?

  217. Watching Rutherford’s friend Lawrence O’Donnell, a/k/a “Crazy Larry.” The self described Boston tough guy that went to a $40k per year private school on the mean streets of Needham MA. Looking for the Walker routine — or do I have to wait for Chaz?

    Well, I’m just going to watch this a few more times. . . and laugh and laugh and laugh. He can’t decide whether he’s applying a mobster or a street thug while trying his hand a Boston accent the phony fucker maybe never heard (I think he should stick with the Charles Emerson Winchester III he’s more accustomed to).

  218. That’s only because you have a pessimistic vs an optimistic view of a dictatorship.
    :lol: Classic. Perhaps that explains Rutherford’s cheery optimism back in 2008. Rutherford always did call himself an optimist.

  219. ROTFLMAO The comments section of this blog is so “toxic” a vendor contacted me personally to try out a new WordPress plugin that keeps comment threads on topic and filters out off topic and abusive comments. LOL do you realize if I tested the plugin the entire comments section might disappear?

    The offer cracked me up. I can’t wait to write back to her and tell her I LIKE my off topic toxic comment threads.
    :lol:

  220. Betsys page reports that an FBI revelation missing from the official iknvestigation of the 2001 terrorist attack showed that the FBI had placed a person in direct contact with Osama bin Ladin and ascertained that bin Ladin was attempting to finance terrorist attacks on the US.The information was so specific that it helped thwart a terrorist plot against a Masonic lodge in Los ‘Angeles. EFward J.Curren a former official in the Los Angeles FBI office said it was the only source he knew where we had a source in Al Quiada “directly involved.”

    The Washington Times accidently found the story while researching for another story.

    The incident happened during Clinton’s administration in 1993. Just imagine if Bush had been president then. This would become a big story.

  221. I just found another blog. It is named farmgirlfactsoflife.com.It is dedicated to what is for most of you an exotic culture. Maybe there could be some cross pollination between this and that blog as there has been between this and the fat grannies.

  222. America still has a few “good” engineers out there. Watch this world record – this is what I would call acceleration my good men and woman. You can skip to the 50 second mark if you simply want to see the performance – but the entire video is good. Make sure you got the speakers way up.

    I’d give my right nut to drive this down this track.

  223. ROTFLMAO The comments section of this blog is so “toxic” a vendor contacted me personally to try out a new WordPress plugin that keeps comment threads on topic and filters out off topic and abusive comments. LOL do you realize if I tested the plugin the entire comments section might disappear?

    * * * G U F F A W * * *

    The comments section? The entire blog would vanish into thin air. LOL – Seriously…

  224. Minimum wage hike is dead in congress.

    And Rutherford might find this part especially interesting….

    it was Democrats that killed it!

    “Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Tuesday delayed action on legislation raising the minimum wage, the centerpiece of the Democrats’ 2014 agenda.

    The Nevada Democrat made the surprising move amid escalating Democratic resistance in the wake of a Congressional Budget Office report released last week estimating that hiking the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour could cost the equivalent of 500,000 jobs by late 2016.

    Reid has not yet unified his caucus on the issue, which is a constant in the Democrats’ election-year playbook. Of the 55 senators who caucus with the Democrats, only 32 have signed on as official co-sponsors of Sen. Tom Harkin’s (D-Iowa) bill.”

  225. Gun Control: Two hands…

    BUTTE , MONTANA Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders…Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone

    11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home.

    It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine. Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke
    through the front door of the house.

    She quickly ran to her father’s room and grabbed his 12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun. Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of
    buckshot from the 11-year-old’s knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.

    When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the …street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive.

    It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery.
    That victim, 50-year-old David 0’Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.

    Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news……..?

    An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself…… against two murderous, illegal immigrants…..and she wins.

    She is still alive.

    Now THAT is Gun Control!

    Thought for the day…. Calling an illegal alien an ‘undocumented immigrant’ is like calling a drug dealer an ‘unlicensed pharmacist.

  226. I just watched the video of that joke embarrassing himself calling out Romney’s son.

    You just don’t see that kind of stuff on Fox. You realty don’t.

    Mocked his name and challenged him to a fight.

    And the whole shtick about his tough life is bull shit?

    LOL.

    Lastly, that was such a cheap shot. Romney’s son was only expressing that he loves his Dad and that its hard to hear things that are not true.

    How someone could twist what he said as anything else is actually pretty sickening.

    Ohhhh man would I love to see Romney’s son break his nose. He wont because I doubt he is that kind of guy.

    I wish I could say my reaction was also classy, but I have to admit…..fuck driving that fast car….I’d give my left nut to cave that MSNBC goon’s face in and spread his nose cartilage all over the floor of a sanctioned UFC ring.

  227. The fact that it aired kinda says something about the MSNBC mentality, doesn’t it? The libs version of a tough guy. :roll:

    I remember watching when it was first broadcast. and thinking, that’s R’s teevee “friend.”

  228. From Wikipedia:

    In 2007 O’Donnell criticized Mitt Romney’s speech on religion stating that “Romney comes from a religion that was founded by a criminal who was anti-American, pro-slavery, and a rapist.”[26][27] In the April 3, 2012 broadcast of “The Last Word,” O’Donnell made comments regarding the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), saying it was an “invented religion,” which was “created by a guy in upstate New York in 1830 when he got caught having sex with the maid and explained to his wife that God told him to do it.”[28] During the April 11, 2012 broadcast of The Last Word, O’Donnell apologized for the April 3, 2012 comments, stating that his comments offended many, including some of the show’s most supportive fans.[29]

    Olberman was another pretend liberal version of a tough guy. MSNBC baby.

  229. I also saw O’Donnell’s attack on kid Romney back when it first aired. I also found it laughable. But I applaud his attacks on Mormonism, until recently, grounded in racism.

    Honestly I have never understood how card carrying Christians are not deeply offended by Mormonism. I would think they would say there are no modern day prophets.

  230. Yeah, let’s all applaud O’Donnell’s efforts to characterize Romney as anti-American, pro-slavery, and a rapist. Hell of a station that talks your talk, R.

  231. I wasn’t tailing about Romney. I was talking about Mormonism. But if you want to go there — yeah if he really believes that a 19th century ordinary guy had a direct line to God then he’s a bit nutty. Not racist but definitely a bit nutty.

    You ever get a chuckle out of Scientologists Tigre?

  232. MHP apologized tearfully for that blunder. And you’d sooner buy Ted Nugents half assed “apology”. Good old Ted just called O a Nazi from what I hear. Couldn’t go a week without saying something stupid again.

  233. “Couldn’t go a week without saying something stupid again.”

    That’s still longer than you ;)

    Sorry, but you made that WAAAAY too easy.

  234. You do realize there are a half million black Mormons? Gladys Knight is a Mormon!

    Yeah…they have all kinds of wacked out theology including weird stuff about blacks ( that is discontinued and tied to odd lost children of Israel stuff then traditional racism)

    As usual….you are ignorant and know nothing other then the heavily buttered pop culture forced fed to you from the left. Learn on your own, man.

    Christians have hated on Mormons for most their history and find them to be heretics.

    But…over time, as anyone who has spent some time with Mormons will tell you, hating Mormons is like hating Ned Flanders. Impossible because so many are good people.

    Some of the best people I know are Mormons.

  235. 317 Probably not as smart either, Tex.

    We live in a Mormon county. It was one of several where Mormons settled in before moving west, They built houses and stored grain for the next group of people to use.

    Many stayed in the area. My wife used to play the organ at a Mormon church while serving as organist for our Methodist Church.Some of the best people I know are also Mormons. Look at Obama’s Justice Department if you want to find racists.

    Yes, Muffy, you are on a roll,

  236. I think our Mormon population is second only to Salt Lake city. Heck, I think the entire town of Mesa is Mormon. They just opened a new temple. Some kind of big deal. They were charging folks to tour it before it gets used for worship, or whatever it is Mormons do.

    Mormons are not Christians. They may talk a lot of the same talk, but fundamentally they do not share the same beliefs. And who said there are no modern day prophets? That’s not scriptural. That’s the same garbage as those who profess no modern day miracles. Poppycock!

  237. “You ever get a chuckle out of Scientologists Tigre?”

    I dunno. Probably. If I have, can you remind me whether it was better, worse or different than your view of the Catholics that taught our hard scrabble O’Donnell from the mean streets of Needham at St. Sebastian’s School?

    How about whether it was better, worse or different from the United Church of Christ attended by Obama under the tutelage of Rev. Wright?

    Or Bill Clinton’s Methodist Church and his counseling from Billy Graham after the Lewinski scandal?

    How about your parents’ church, R? Was it founded on a anti-American, pro-slavery, and a rapist theology? If it was Christian then it must have been and they sociopathic adherents too by association.

    That wasn’t a “chuckle” about Mormonism. That was a vile comment about Romney. Get your head out of your ass. Or at least be consistent with your views of religion and the followers you admire, including the loathsome douchebag O’Donnell you find edifying.

    The amount of hate spewed by your liberal “friends” on MSNBC is revolting. The fact that you defend and celebate it while preaching tolerance is downright pathetic.

  238. With over 1 million Mormons I’d be crazy to hate them. Never said I did. I think their religion is a bigger fraud than the other religions that I believe is a fraud. I’ve said repeatedly that I believe Mitt to be a decent man.

    Rabbit stop sugar coating. They believe blacks sinned in a former life and only got a reverse revelation when it became profitable to do so.

    Heck I LIKE the polygamy part. Oh wait, did that suddenly change too?

    Like I said, to a devout Christian it should be at best a bad joke and at worst a real insult.

  239. Muffy’s only on a roll if it comes to making an ass of ones self. If Obama is a Nazi then Muffy is a porn star.

    Funny heh? Didn’t think so. There ought to be a limit. That’s the problem with you guys. Your distaste for Obama is irrational.

  240. OK, for starters, Rutherford…like most any other religion..there are varying subsects and ideologies. And, like many religious, their ideologies evolve and change.

    For the vast majority of Mormons, polygamy is not practiced. Not only is it not practices, it is frowned upon.

    “President Gordon B. Hinckley, prior president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints made the following statement in 1998 about the Church’s position on plural marriage:

    “This Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church…. If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.””

    I highly suspect you will find a similar refutation of the past racist ideas.

    The bottom line is, you don’t have even the slightest clue about the people you are judging. And you’ve not made even a token effort to get that clue before rendering your conclusions. Why don’t you put down the phone app…sit at your computer for a few minutes..and click a few pages on that web site I linked above. You don’t have to believe it..but at least educate yourself.

  241. I’d have loved to have seen Rutherford during the Iconoclasm or Reformation. Yeah…stuff “suddenly changes.” Things we accept as a part of religious history today was brand new at one time.

    And you’re telling me that MY standards are slipping?

  242. I’ve got news for you Tigre, the first time I ever even heard of O’Donnell was when he got kicked off The MacLaugjlin Group for … wait for it … denouncing Mormonism. His distaste for the religion predates his distaste for Romney.

  243. Huck the Mormons changed their tune on polygamy when threatened with losing their tax exempt status.

    I ask you a simple question. In the past 100 years which church has “evolved” more, Mormon or Catholic?

  244. “In the past 100 years which church has “evolved” more, Mormon or Catholic?”

    This isn’t a fair comparison. You’re comparing a church that is about 200 years old with a church that is about 2000 years old. Surely you know that Christianity in general, and even Catholicism specifically, have gone through MAJOR changes in its existence. Shit, they had to hold major conferences in the first few hundred years just to decide on what exactly to put in and exclude from the book the faith is based on.

    “Huck the Mormons changed their tune on polygamy when threatened with losing their tax exempt status.”

    Funny, it was just a couple hours ago you were saying this….

    “Heck I LIKE the polygamy part. Oh wait, did that suddenly change too?”

    What I really find funny is a self-proclaimed atheist calling 1 religion more fraudulent than another. I don’t think there are varying levels of fraudulence. As a man without faith, you should find all religions equal in that regard.

    You want to talk about frauds? Your Obamanist religion and its messiah have evolved more in 5 years than the Mormons have in 200.

    ——

    I’d like to point out that, while I did not actually answer your question..I did acknowledge it. Which is a lot more than you have done with anyone’s questions here going back multiple threads.

    What’s your red line on executive overreach? It’s a very simple and unframed question. At what point would you consider an executive as overstepping his authority?

    Yeah, that’s what I thought…..

  245. First the 2000 vs 200 is very much my point. One of the arguments used by Christians is that their religion has stood the test of time. Any religion invented in modern times feels like just that — invented. But I suppose you can get a large bunch of people to believe just about anything. Like in Obama. ;-)

  246. I thought I answered your question. In fact I thought I devoted part of this article to it. Nothing Obama has done keeps me up at night. He is a mediocre President. So was Bush. I’m disappointed but not overly alarmed. As I said, if folks smarter than I think he has broken the law then bring it. Impeach him.

    Sadly we live in a world where anyone can find an Obama narrative that suits them. The “truth” exists who knows where.

    The only thing going on domestically that should trouble all of us is the NSA stuff and Obama didn’t invent that phenom. That’s been evolving over several admins.

  247. “His distaste for the religion predates his distaste for Romney.”

    So? Which part of what he said don’t you get?

    Better yet. Why do you continue to consume that shit on MSNBC?

    And what the hell have you said in 348? It appears to be exactly nothing. The “truth” is on display. The fact that you choose not to examine it has never been in doubt.

  248. Our dislike if Obama is not irrational. Consider his latest ploy to shrink our military to the lowest level since WW11 and Russia’s stated goal to enhance its military power and presence. China also has similar aspirations. For years, some people have decried our role as the world’s policeman. Will it be any better if we cede our power to the Chinese, Russians or maybe the UN?

    The Washington Free Beacon reports that House hearings on executive over reach hosted several professors who believe we are near a tipping point which will send Congress into irrelevancy. Obama and his administration have altered the AFC act 23 times without consulting Congress, and that is just one example.

    This didn’t start with Obama, but he is accelerating the process. One professor said he agrees with many of Obama’s policies, but his methods cost him sleep. Congress is basically letting it happen. This continuing trend will leave us with a country the founding fathers didn’t want.

    To support that man and his policies is irrational unless one wants to live under an authoritarian regime.

  249. “To support that man and his policies is irrational unless one wants to live under an authoritarian regime.”

    True. And Rutherford has already said that is preference. His rhetorical solution to overreach? “if you think it’s illegal, then impeach him.” In other words, overthrow the (optimistic) dictator.

    Challenging his actions through lawsuits of course would not be a solution.

    Nor would giving a shit. :roll:

  250. The only thing going on domestically that should trouble all of us is the NSA stuff and Obama didn’t invent that phenom. That’s been evolving over several admins.

    The only thing Obama invented was himself, though it seems others may be behind his inventing. He was to turn all this injustice back. That was his platform. Bogus, as it turns out. So now it isn’t his responsibility to curtail the illegal activities of the NSA? Why, because others have set the precedent? That is so lame. What is the point of our government? Maybe you should start with that basic truth. Truth doesn’t change with the seasons, Rutherford. This notion that everything is fine because others have been disassembling our bill of rights is wrong-headed. You are the only one I have read that is trying to justify this as normal or somehow acceptable.

    Curious, does your phone app display any truth in the following clip?

  251. After one of Bush’s victories O’Donnell half seriously wanted the blue states to secede from the US.

    We are not through with Ukraine either. Armed protesters took over buildings in Crimea after the local parliament refused to secede. Russia is conducting maneuvers on the border, and Ukraine warns that any movement of Russian troops based in the country will be treated as an act of aggression. As we know, both counties have nuclear weapons,

    Mr. Yatsenlyluk a former speaker of the parliament said “We are to under take extremely unpopular steps as the previous government and previous president were so corrupted that the country is in a desperate financial plight…We are on the brink of a disaster and this is the government of political suiciders! So welcome to hell.”,

    VIKA, a Ukrainian pop singer put I AM A UKRAINIAN on Youtube. The video shows how violent the protests were.

  252. “I thought I answered your question. In fact I thought I devoted part of this article to it. Nothing Obama has done keeps me up at night.”

    Fair enough. But that isn’t what I asked and my question wasn’t limited to Barack Obama.

    Good to know you actually do have a red line on the matter.

    —————

    “Any religion invented in modern times feels like just that — invented.”

    As opposed to the older ones that just appeared naturally one day?

    There were Romans who felt the same way about those upstart Christians.

    —————

    “… others may be behind his inventing.”

    A domestic terrorist, for one.

    __________

    Gee, it sure is a good thing that the idiot Romney was wrong about Russia still playing its geostrategic game, isn’t it?

  253. In pseudo defense of Rutherford I think his blog shows consistencies in his views on religion,both his ignorance of them and for his blanket dismissal of faith.

  254. Rutherford did kind of address his stance on executive overreach but I get how it doesn’t fully answer Hucks query.
    The thing of it is Rutherford clearly has given Obama a pass where he would likely not give any other POTUS one. He also seems to be in the camp that somehow a dysfunctional Congress holds most of the blame. I think it would be interesting to hear folks take on the who’s who in executive overreach in US history. Personally I find that the more recent anointing of POTUS as head of party to be a big problem,not all POTUS have been such slaves to this. I do believe the recent (D)’s have been but one of them actually showed an ability to lead.

  255. I am finding the Ukraine play fascinating. I do feel this is yet another vindication plank in the Romney platform but alas that is all that is worth.
    I find it especially interesting all parties considered that Germany is set to be so crucial. I don’t think the Russians will get their Ossetia on in the Crimea but I think things will get a little worse before sighs of relief are warranted.

  256. @ James although the Army is heading for a serious trimming I don’t think you and others should get too worried or feel this is an Obama thing.
    The world isn’t getting any safer and thats sad but what may or may not prove a positive is a lessened America. Alliances are indeed in flux and on the horizon smarter weapon systems are better than brute foot power. A smaller Army is also not militarily our biggest problem what has happened to our Navy is. Bottom line the rise of China and Russia will actually serve the MIC well and help forge those alliances I alluded to.

  257. No Tigre the “truth” is filtered through whatever spin machine appeals to you.

    I miss the days of Walter Cronkite when you only had one authoritative source of lies to listen to. It was less confusing.

  258. LOL Tigre I’d venture to guess right now YOU’RE watching more MSNBC than I am. I spend most of my TV time right now on The Voice, Idol and cooking competitions.

  259. “I miss the days…..when you only had one authoritative source of lies to listen to. “-R

    We know. You’ve already spewed your “we need a dictator” speech.

    You really do have fascist tendencies…

    The fan boy shit back in 08 was my first clue. I’ve slowly watched it evolve.

    I seriously wonder where you would stand if Obama suspended elections, and with the support of most of the Democratic Party, proclaimed martial law. The MSNBC machine feeding all the reasons why tyranny is needed.

    I’m being dead serious….and I find it slightly fascinating…..you have the potential to wear an arm band.

  260. “Congress is basically letting it happen.”

    Exactly James. They are making themselves irrelevant. I’m no fan of Ted Cruz but imagine a world where he is scorned because he forced his fellow GOP’ers to take a stand on the debt ceiling. He is right. They are cowards. That’s the world we are in. A do-nothing Congress. 2014 was deemed over before it started because our government officials care more about reelection than running the govt and it’s an election year.

  261. And once again, ad nauseam, I do not want an authoritarian “regime”. I want a government that is productive and doesn’t open the door for overreach.

    Shit needs to get done. The country has to function. Who’s gonna act? If not Congress then who?

  262. Unfortunately Huck Romney didn’t express himself as articulately as you did. “Geostrategic” might have helped him. Instead he said Russia was our number one foe. Another in a slew of cases of poorly chosen words. Hell, if Romney had just stayed quiet he might be POTUS today.

  263. I think Alfie’s comment on the POTUS being head of party was incredibly insightful. Our Presidents more often put party before country and that is a problem.

  264. “We know. You’ve already spewed your “we need a dictator” speech.”

    You see how you edited out my reference to Cronkite thereby changing the entire point of the comment? You need a job at Fox or MSNBC. Your edit proved my point.

    My comment was about the media, not the government.

  265. I know you guys don’t like Chrissy Hayes but his book “Twilight of the Elites” is worth your perusal. It well defines the problem even though it offers a solution you detest. Spoiler: greater wealth redistribution. LOL

  266. “I spend most of my TV time right now on The Voice, Idol and cooking competitions.”

    Higher brow than your beloved MSNBC. And that’s sad.

    Chrissy Hayes is a pseudo intellectual I will not waste my time on.

  267. Oh, there’ll be lawsuits.

    The point was that YOU don’t have anything to say about Obama’s overreach. Just, “well, if you think it’s illegal, impeach him” is the same as “I don’t care.” And that too is sad.

  268. Rutherford, I took it out because the details don’t really matter. Its another appeal for authoritarianism.

    Besides….you have your monolithic media. Its the administration itself. Social media fucking nukes the press. Desperate and irrelevant the press pass out rim jobs because they need Obama and Obama doesn’t need them. Huge problem.

    The one legitimate interview was deemed racist and offensive by your fellow arm band wearers.

    Your answer to Tigre… “do something about it” is pathetic. Classic fascism. Text book.

    Am I wrong? Hell….at this point it wouldn’t totally shock me if you admitted to being a fascist.

    Are you?

  269. “Am I wrong? Hell….at this point it wouldn’t totally shock me if you admitted to being a fascist. ”

    I have been known to tell my daughter “because I said so”. Could be a bad sign.

  270. Shit, they had to hold major conferences in the first few hundred years just to decide on what exactly to put in and exclude from the book the faith is based on.

    That’s a myth, Huck that the scoffers and irreligious like to throw around, but it’s really bad history. That wasn’t a shot at you, by the way, but setting the record straight.

    The Nicene Council simply gave their apostolic authority to the same Bible that had been used from the last first century on – the doctrine of Jesus the Christ – the deity of Christ. :neutral:

    If memory serves, contrary to that idiot Dan Brown book, The Da Vinci Code, the vote was 316-2.

    The Council of Nicea did not invent the doctrine of the deity of Christ. Rather, the Council of Nicea affirmed the apostles’ teaching of who Christ is—the one true God and the Second Person of the Trinity, with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

  271. Yes,Rutherford, the Ukrainian situation is scarey.

    However, I have read since my comment that Ukraine has disposed of its 5,000 nukes. Nevertheless, Ukrainians are smart, well-educated, cynical, and ill tempered. A few years ago, no one really knew how much Ukrainians earned because they have a strong underground economy.They are also well-armed. Russia would really like to have Ukraine back in the fold.

    Romney was right. He just didn’t speak clearly enough. I also think we have more to fear from our ally Pakistan than Russia, but that is not saying much.

    This is a bad time to even consider reducing our military force to pre WW11 levels.

  272. the stans have concerns aplenty but I really think on a global scale Russia is clearly the biggest short term threat followed by China. Of note the Russians have a command/communication vessel in Cuba. Media has falsely played out the hows and whys of its docking. See Venezuela/OAS/USA.
    As for smaller military footprint,I say it’ll be a good thing see events 100 years ago. I love history but I really hate how it repeats itself or has fallout that we collectively fail to learn from.

  273. So let me be clearer on #389. RUSSIA more so than any other nation has a foreign and domestic policy set that is clearly set against the interests of the USA. Even China the scumbag panda shits that they are- are actually reacting in a less confrontational way to the Pacific Pivot than they could have justifiably done.
    Russia is ultimately against us in the Ukraine [as well as against the Ukrainian people],they stand in a position in Central Asia that promises tensions and in at least one case a scenario that will have us choose between them or Iran. And secondary to Gazprom will play a renewed role in courting the Germans out of NATO. Although I appreciate the outcome in Syria it has to be accepted that the Russians have fucked Obama and in no small way fostered the degradation of US credibility and relations,see Saudi Arabia. I also want to state that although the USA has bloody hands around the globe let’s not forget the Russian arms sales here,there f#@$ing everywhere.

  274. I don’t know if it is the Libertarian in me or what but seriously should we not be allowed to be adults and exercise our rights fully? This cryptic opening is about the Brewer veto of the Religious Freedoms bill in AZ.
    I’m sorry but if you own a business that isn’t involved in saving life or property you should get to choose who you cater to. Likewise you should be allowed to take the lumps for your policies.

  275. “That’s a myth, Huck that the scoffers and irreligious like to throw around, but it’s really bad history. That wasn’t a shot at you, by the way, but setting the record straight.”

    Yeah, I was waiting for this :)

    Since I don’t care to rehash an old debate, I’m just going to say we disagree on this issue.

  276. “I’m sorry but if you own a business that isn’t involved in saving life or property you should get to choose who you cater to. Likewise you should be allowed to take the lumps for your policies.”

    I’m really torn on this and have spent a bit tossing it around in my head.

    I started thinking about those signs you see…”No shoes, no shirt, no service” and “We refuse the right to serve any customer.”

    But this isn’t about a dress code or individuals acting like assholes in a store. It’s about discrimination against an entire group of people. And that has been illegal since 1964.

    Ultimately, I think it’s a slippery slope. Even with the religious freedom angle. Where would it stop?

    My libertarian side tends to agree with Alfie on this, but my federalist side doesn’t.

  277. I agree, Russia is ultimately more dangerous than Pakistan because the Russians plan to dominate the world. They are as expanionist as we are. However, Pakistan is potentially unstable, and that is dangerous for a nuclear power. The Russians proved themselves during the Soviet era to be rational people, though they were brutal.They didn’t want to die any more than we did.

    I lean toward Huck. It is a slippery slope we have been on before.

  278. I come down in a weird place on this AZ thing. If you make wedding cakes or take wedding photos I DO see how being forced to cater to gays violates your religious freedom.

    If you’re selling cars or pizza, not so much. In that case you’re just being an asshole.

  279. James distinction is a good one. Let’s be blunt. Pakistanis are batshit crazy. It’s amazing to me that we lose sleep over Iran going nuclear and we slept through Pakistan doing the same thing.

  280. Regardless of who is right, Tex or Huck I still think it says something that Christianity has withstood 2000 years of naysayers like me and still has millions and millions of followers.

    Sorry, that just does not compare to some 19th century con artist declaring that God spoke to him and America is the holy land.

    As skeptical as I am of the ancient religions, Mormons, Scientologists, Branch Davidians and Hale Bopp comet worshipers all belong in a special category of nutjobbery in my book.

    What all of us, religious or not, share is a desire to belong, a curiosity about how does this thing life work and what happens when our corporeal life ends.

  281. I come down in a weird place on this AZ thing.

    I’ve built pools for gays. Money spends the same. I’ve had some strange requests for certain features, though. Usually enough money will build anyone’s fantasy island paradise.

    Brewer was just scoring political points. It was probably put up to swat down and gain the mass media collective emotion. Hot button issues are all the rage nowadays. Aren’t you getting tired of playing the spin the rage wheel to see what hate is happening that we’re supposed to get worked up about? Is it race? Religion? Abortion?Okay, back to gays. It’s all meaningless, really. Pompous hot air postulating. We are not free if we keep making rules that define it. Or we are as free as Winston Smith. Your choice.

  282. At the risk of belaboring this let me be very clear. It was suggested earlier that I hate Mormons. I don’t. I consider devout Mormons one taco short of a combo plate. That doesn’t mean they aren’t decent fine people.

    I also don’t believe 21st century Mormons are racists. They just have, like all Americans actually, a black spot (pardon the phrase) on their history.

  283. If you think Jesus invented Christianity, then you are wrong. Is He the founder? No, not that either. Teacher, brother, friend, servant, substitute, lord, king. King of kings. Lord of lords. He’s the good Shepherd. The narrow gate. The Light of the world. The Lamb of God. The Word made flesh. The firstborn Son of the Living God. He showed us the Father and performed miracles by the Holy Spirit. He showed us the path of light, the purpose for our days. He’s the Ancient of Days. The Alpha and Omega. The same yesterday, today, and forever. A priest, in the order of Melchizedek. Our advocate to the Throne.

    No, the religion you call Christianity evolved from the culture, combining both pagan and religious practices, sanctified by the state and further mandated as law of the land. Since, it has flourished both underground and dominated organized institutions. Anymore it serves more as a label, along with race, age, education, and sex.

    A relationship with our Creator has been possible since the beginning of humanity. However, man, who’s created in the image of god, chooses to do his own thing most of the time.

  284. ” I still think it says something that Christianity has withstood 2000 years of naysayers like me and still has millions and millions of followers.”

    But it hasn’t done so without undergoing changes…some of them very significant, depending on the group. And that is what we were actually talking about.

    “Sorry, that just does not compare to some 19th century con artist declaring that God spoke to him and America is the holy land.”

    I don’t mean to insult Christians with this, but historically it does compare. Jews at the time thought Jesus was some 1st century con artist declaring that God spoke to him and that only through him would there be salvation.

    It also compares to Muhammad declaring that God spoke to him (through the angel Gabriel) 1400 years ago….600 years after Jesus.

    Do you really think self-proclaimed prophets are all the rage with everyone at the time they are proclaiming themselves as prophets? They aren’t. A lot of people saw them as whack jobs.

    In 1000 years maybe you will come to understand what I’m talking about.

  285. Jews at the time thought Jesus was some 1st century con artist declaring that God spoke to him and that only through him would there be salvation.

    Some did, most of the elite feared Him. The poor and common were drawn to Him. He was a threat to the establishment and therefore they killed Him. It isn’t rare. The resurrection was the kicker. Prophets are generally killed. There is no profit in being a true prophet of the Living God. Not in this world, anyway. But then everything here tends to rot and deteriorate in time.

  286. Since I don’t care to rehash an old debate, I’m just going to say we disagree on this issue.

    At the risk of belaboring the point, then you’re equally guilty with what you accuse Rutherford of daily – letting your own personal biases and dogma color your set of “facts.” Only your bias is MSNBC – its secular academia.

    If you refer to the following, I’ve read the Books of Tobit, Judith, 1 & 2 Maccabees, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, and Baruch. And unless I’m wrong, they are still included in what would be called in the secular world the “Catholic” Bible between the Old and New Testaments.

    Church Fathers of the 1st and 2nd century did not teach from any of the seven books I just listed. They were included as appendices to the Old Testament – written in Greek and not Hebrew. Protestant Christians chose not to include those listed because Jewish leaders don’t recognize those listed as canon.

    And it is easily proven by even an elementary knowledge of what went down in 325 AD – all well documented.

    The Bible we read today is the same as that taught in early 2nd century by the early Christian Church followers.

    I have no problem with people not believing in Christ. That’s your choice.

    I have a real beef, though, with the lies being perpetrated about the foundations of Christianity. It’s bad history and needs to be corrected.

  287. I also don’t believe 21st century Mormons are racists. They just have, like all Americans actually, a black spot (pardon the phrase) on their history.” – R

    But I suppose you can get a large bunch of people to believe just about anything. ” – R

    They believe blacks sinned in a former life and only got a reverse revelation when it became profitable to do so. ” – R

    I always chuckle when R starts talking about history, black spots, and beliefs…

    “I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan…I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses…I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak…In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered.”

    Margaret Sanger: An Autobiography, P.366

    “Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying … demonstrates our foolhardy and extravagant sentimentalism … [Philanthropists] encourage the healthier and more normal sections of the world to shoulder the burden of unthinking and indiscriminate fecundity of others; which brings with it, as I think the reader must agree, a dead weight of human waste. Instead of decreasing and aiming to eliminate the stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the race and the world, it tends to render them to a menacing degree dominant … We are paying for, and even submitting to, the dictates of an ever-increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all.”

    Margaret Sanger. The Pivot of Civilization, 1922. Chapter on “The Cruelty of Charity,” pages 116, 122, and 189. Swarthmore College Library edition.

    “Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”

    Margaret Sanger. Woman, Morality, and Birth Control. New York: New York Publishing Company, 1922. Page 12.

    “Eugenics is … the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems. Margaret Sanger. “

    The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda.” Birth Control Review, October 1921, page 5.

  288. Mormons represent to me Mr. Rutherford, those people your mom used to refer to as taming the wild side – the good part of ‘religion’ that your mom referred that makes better people.

    Mormons are not Christian. It’s so radically different, I don’t even consider them some Cultish offshoot of Christianity. It’s as much Christian is Islam is Christian in my book – only with less radical behavior.

    But I say this as an embarrassment.

    Many of the Mormons I personally know carry themselves more like Christians than many of us calling ourselves Christian. It’s a disgrace and a pox on our Church family. And I’ll bet at least 10% of my medical school class was Mormon – and that in backwoods Oklahoma.

    They’re smart people too. Romney is infinitely more gifted as a leader than the disgrace we have now for President – a man I’ve decided in all truthfulness after five years, has no leadership qualities.

    Obama has the gift of gab – but he’s clueless how to get things done; a gifted community activist and not much else.

  289. Yup, no such thing as voter fraud. R says so…

    Vice President Biden claimed voter ID laws were evidence of “hatred” and “zealotry” during a Black History Month event yesterday in Washington.

    Ignoring the fact that voter ID laws were declared constitutional in a 2006 Supreme Court decision written by John Paul Stevens, the Court’s then most liberal justice, Biden is continuing the fact-free assault on anti-voter fraud measures.

    When such laws aren’t “hateful” they are “unnecessary.” The Brennan Center for Justice says “voter fraud is essentially irrational” so it almost never happens. Voter fraud is so rare “you’re more likely to get hit by lightning than find a case of prosecutorial voter fraud,” insists Judith Browne-Dianis, co-director of the liberal Advancement Project.

    Well, the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation disagrees. Not a state known for its hateful politics, Iowa’s DCI wrapped up its investigation this month and has referred more than 80 cases of voter fraud to county attorneys for possible prosecution. Since the investigation was initiated by GOP Secretary of State Matt Schultz a year and a half ago, five people have pleaded guilty to voter fraud and 15 others are facing charges.

  290. Since we’re talking about crossing the line…

    The mainstream press has justified its lack of coverage over the Internal Revenue Service targeting of conservative groups because there’s been no “smoking gun” tying President Obama to the scandal. This betrays a remarkable, if not willful, failure to understand abuse of power. The political pressure on the IRS to delay or deny tax-exempt status for conservative groups has been obvious to anyone who cares to open his eyes. It did not come from a direct order from the White House, but it didn’t have to…

    …First, some background: On Jan. 21, 2010, the Supreme Court issued its ruling in Citizens United v. FEC upholding the right of corporations and unions to make independent expenditures in political races. Then, on March 26, relying on Citizens United, the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the rights of persons (including corporations) to pool resources for political purposes. This allowed the creation of “super PACs” as well as corporate contributions to groups organized under Section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code that spend in political races.

    The reaction to Citizens United was no secret. Various news outlets such as CNN noted that “Democrats fear the decision has given the traditionally pro-business GOP a powerful new advantage.”

    The 501(c)(4) groups in question are officially known as “social-welfare organizations.” They have for decades been permitted to engage in political activity under IRS rules, so long as their primary purpose (generally understood to be more than 50% of their activity) wasn’t political. They are permitted to lobby without limitation and are not required to disclose their donors. The groups span the political spectrum, from the National Rifle Association to Common Cause to the Planned Parenthood Action Fund. If forced out of 501(c)(4) status, these nonprofit advocacy groups would have to reorganize as for-profit corporations and pay taxes on donations received, or reorganize as “political committees” under Section 527 of the IRS Code and be forced to disclose their donors.
    Now consider the following events, all of which were either widely reported, publicly released by officeholders or revealed later in testimony to Congress. These are the dots the media refuse to connect:

    • Jan. 27, 2010: President Obama criticizes Citizens United in his State of the Union address and asks Congress to “correct” the decision.

    • Feb. 11, 2010: Sen. Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) says he will introduce legislation known as the Disclose Act to place new restrictions on some political activity by corporations and force more public disclosure of contributions to 501(c)(4) organizations. Mr. Schumer says the bill is intended to “embarrass companies” out of exercising the rights recognized in Citizens United. “The deterrent effect should not be underestimated,” he said.

    • Soon after, in March 2010, Mr. Obama publicly criticizes conservative 501(c)(4) organizations engaging in politics. In his Aug. 21 radio address, he warns Americans about “shadowy groups with harmless sounding names” and a “corporate takeover of our democracy.”

    • Sept. 28, 2010: Mr. Obama publicly accuses conservative 501(c)(4) organizations of “posing as not-for-profit, social welfare and trade groups.” Max Baucus, then chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, asks the IRS to investigate 501(c)(4)s, specifically citing Americans for Job Security, an advocacy group that says its role is to “put forth a pro-growth, pro-jobs message to the American people.”

    • Oct. 11, 2010: Sen. Dick Durbin (D., Ill.) asks the IRS to investigate the conservative 501(c)(4) Crossroads GPS and “other organizations.”

    • April 2011: White House officials confirm that Mr. Obama is considering an executive order that would require all government contractors to disclose their donations to politically active organizations as part of their bids for government work. The proposal is later dropped amid opposition across the political spectrum.

    • Feb. 16, 2012: Seven Democratic senators— Michael Bennet (Colo.), Al Franken (Minn.), Jeff Merkley (Ore.), Mr. Schumer, Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.), Tom Udall (N.M.) and Sheldon Whitehouse (R.I.)—write to the IRS asking for an investigation of conservative 501(c)(4) organizations.

    • March 12, 2012: The same seven Democrats write another letter asking for further investigation of conservative 501(c)(4)s, claiming abuse of their tax status.

    • July 27, 2012: Sen. Carl Levin (D., Mich.) writes one of several letters to then-IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman seeking a probe of nine conservative groups, plus two liberal and one centrist organization. In 2013 testimony to the HouseOversight and Government Reform Committee, former IRS Acting Commissioner Steven Miller describes Sen. Levin as complaining “bitterly” to the IRS and demanding investigations.

    • Aug. 31, 2012: In another letter to the IRS, Sen. Levin calls its failure to investigate and prosecute targeted organizations “unacceptable.”

    • Dec. 14, 2012: The liberal media outlet ProPublica receives Crossroads GPS’s 2010 application for tax-exempt status from the IRS. Because the group’s tax-exempt status had not been recognized, the application was confidential. ProPublica publishes the full application. It later reports that it received nine confidential pending applications from IRS agents, six of which it published. None of the applications was from a left-leaning organization.

    • April 9, 2013: Sen. Whitehouse convenes the Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism to examine nonprofits. He alleges that nonprofits are violating federal law by making false statements about their political activities and donors and using shell companies to donate to super PACs to hide donors’ identities. He berates Patricia Haynes, then-deputy chief of Criminal Investigation at the IRS, for not prosecuting conservative nonprofits.

    • May 10, 2013: Sen. Levin announces that the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations will hold hearings on “the IRS’s failure to enforce the law requiring that tax-exempt 501(c)(4)s be engaged exclusively in social welfare activities, not partisan politics.” Three days later he postpones the hearings when Lois Lerner (then-director of the IRS Exempt Organizations Division) reveals that the IRS had been targeting and delaying the applications of conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status.

    • Nov. 29, 2013: The IRS proposes new rules redefining “political activity” to include activities such as voter-registration drives and the production of nonpartisan legislative scorecards to restrict what the agency deems as excessive spending on campaigns by tax-exempt 501(c)(4) groups. Even many liberal nonprofits argue that the rule goes too far in limiting their political activity—but the main target appears to be the conservative 501(c)(4)s that have so irritated Democrats.

    • Feb. 13, 2014: The Hill newspaper reports that “Senate Democrats facing tough elections this year want the Internal Revenue Service to play a more aggressive role in regulating outside groups expected to spend millions of dollars on their races.”
    In 1170, King Henry II is said to have cried out, on hearing of the latest actions of the Archbishop of Canterbury, “Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?” Four knights then murdered the archbishop. Many in the U.S. media still willfully refuse to see anything connecting the murder of the archbishop to any actions or abuse of power by the king.

    Mr. Smith, a former chairman of the Federal Election Commission, is chairman of the Center for Competitive Politics.

  291. Classic Ann Coulter commentary and quote:

    The minimum wage is the perfect Democratic issue. It will screw the very people it claims to help, while making Democrats look like saviors of the working class, either by getting them a higher wage or providing them with generous government benefits when they lose their jobs because of the mandatory wage hike./b>
    :lol: :lol:

    Sorry Rutherford. Ann Coulter can be funny as hell. Like Limbaugh, there isn’t one of her capability on the Left, try as hard as they can to find one(s).

  292. That’s good stuff, Gorilla. That timeline is pretty damning evidence.

    Like I said. I gave up on America in 2012. But…

    If Republicans should win control of the Senate, or by chance people wake up to the more free stuff gimmicks and vote the bums out in 2016, the Republicans have my permission (in fact, I demand it) to ignore the rules of political law and screw the bastards as deep as they can possibly ream it, without so much as a dab of Vaseline.

    Every jackboot organization can be used at their disposal, including the military at gun point, if necessary.

    I mean that. Bullies don’t like to be bullied, as I’ve often noted. Neither do jackbooted politicians like a taste of fascism slapped across their face.

    They can start with Harry Reid and put that SOB in an early grave with a heart attack due to major stress complications. I want every shady business dealing audited thoroughly and publicly.

  293. Rutherford:
    “Shit needs to get done. The country has to function.”

    Firstly, do not conflate the Legislative branch’s churning out laws every day with the “country” functioning. They are two very different things, and one is not a requirement for the other. US does not need a new law every time someone takes a breath. Remember, every law constrains the citizen in some way, so the net result of continuously making laws is to continuously take away your freedom. Maybe it’s time to give lawmaking a rest and start taking laws OFF the books.

    Also Rutherford: “Who’s gonna act? If not Congress then who?”

    I am surprised by this question. Think about what you just said. No, really think about it, and then I’ll answer it for you:

    If Congress doesn’t act, then NOBODY acts. NOBODY.

    These things are the Legislative branch’s to take care of. No one else. If they do not, then NOBODY takes care of it. Nobody else has the authority, so that is precisely who takes care of it. It doesn’t get done.

    Is that bad? Yep, but not one ten-thousandth as bad as another branch of government usurping that authority, for in that way lies tyranny. Read your own history.

  294. Yes, Alfie, eastern Ukrainians liking Russians is understandable. They have strong cultural ties, and a large percentage are Russians as you wrote. Electorial maps show a sharp division from east to west. The East is like Quebec in Canada. That is one reason the situation is so dangerous.

  295. ” Who’s gonna act? If not Congress, then who?” The Ukrainians asked the equivalent of the same question, and they acted. Now, Eastern Ukraine may be acting under different assumptions.

    Our revolutionary ancestors acted too. So did the anti-war movement and civil rights protesters. Before them, Suferagettes resorted to bombing and other violence.

    Our laws, courts and legislators are the safety valve on a pressure cooker. If they cease to function, something will eventually blow.

  296. I don’t mean to insult Christians with this, but historically it does compare. Jews at the time thought Jesus was some 1st century con artist declaring that God spoke to him and that only through him would there be salvation.

    This part is true and still is, with one proviso. In fact, that comment is not only true, but self-evident. It shouldn’t be insulting to any Christian.

    However, the Jews don’t look at Jesus as con artist and did in fact give strong consideration to Him as Prophet – even wondering if He was Elijah.

    Jesus later proved quite prophetic when He told the Sanhedrin in metaphor at the mockery of a trial their temple would be laid to waste within one generation with not one stone unturned. 40 years later, the Temple was indeed razed with each step overturned by Rome in 70AD helping to finance the construction of the Colosseum.

    But Jesus was considered fully Jewish and even called Rabbi by the Jews. Jews would consider Jesus not some conman but heretic as Jesus claimed to be not prophet but Messiah – the height of blasphemy, leading to His crucifixion.

  297. I see that Reid just announced that the Senate will not produce a budget this year. Wow, in the last 5 years, the Senate has put together a grand total of one budget, which they immediately abandoned when the House couldn’t agree on it. Did it go to conference? Of course not, that would require compromise…

  298. Oh shit…Obama is “deeply concerned” about this “fluid” situation and says “costs” will come if Russia violates Ukrainian sovereignty…as opposed to a military invasion, I guess, since they’ve already done that.

    I wonder if Kerry can accidentally work up a deal where Assad oversees the Russians pull out of Ukraine.

  299. Of course the Senate isn’t going to pass a budget. They WANT the resulting shutdown fight in order to distract from ObamaCare.

  300. “Another red line crossed. Time for a strongly worded letter.”

    No, no, no. An expression of disappointment and anger comes before the strongly worded letter.

  301. “Obama has the gift of gab …”

    You know, Tex, I’m not too far off that conclusion either. Community activism is in large part stirring up the crowd. I thought BO was bringing more to the table than that but I’m not so sure.

    If I understand correctly the Governor of Texas is one of the weakest executives constitutionally in the country. This may account for why Bush proved a mediocre executive. Probably a good reason to steer clear of Rick Perry.

    On the other hand, the NJ Governor is constitutionally one of the most powerful in the country. Sadly Christie may have screwed that pooch.

  302. OMFG Gorilla those numbers you threw at me! Among millions of votes cast, 80 cases, 5 convictions and 15 ongoing prosecutions. Oh the horror!

    Instead of trying to keep typically liberal folks (coincidence ;-) ) from voting why don’t you focus on restoring the middle class?

    You’re a silly man if voter fraud makes you lose sleep.

  303. So Gorilla you took up gobs of bandwidth to say the Chris Christie argument applies to Obama. He might not have given the order but encouraged an environment in which abuse could occur.

    Only problem is lots of “social welfare” orgs deserved to be busted and liberal groups also suffered delays.

    But of course this all depends on which set of facts you choose to believe.

  304. Rutherford, just stop…seriously….

    You’re equating power with performance. It’s stupid.

    The lack of power of the Texas governor is probably why George Bush respected congress when Democrats held pro forma sessions in order to keep him from making recess appointments. He understood that the powers of the executive have limits.

    Something Barack Obama did not respect, and the United States Supreme Court is ultimately going to tell him so.

    Bush may or may not have been “mediocre” president, but it doesn’t have anything to do with the executive powers in the state he governed.

    “Community activism is in large part stirring up the crowd. I thought BO was bringing more to the table than that but I’m not so sure.”

    Why on earth would you think that? We told you in 2007 not to expect anything other than what he has given you. He’s never held a real job. He’s never written a piece of legislation. He’s never been a leader at any level. He’s never done anything but win elections.

  305. Notice the guy who is so concerned about our broken democracy that he is cool with a dictator because elected officials won’t cater to him, but numerous examples of voter fraud are still nothingburgers.

    Rutherford, if voter fraud is no big deal, then why is it a big deal to have voter ID laws? If the law won’t stop anything that isn’t going on, then what’s the harm in it?

    In fact…WHY HAVE ANY LAWS AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!????????????

  306. “All the more reason for us to be fearful when they cease to function.”

    Did you watch the video I posted where the guy says exactly that…in the context of allowing Obama to power grab in dangerous fashion?

  307. Huck the laws use negligible voter fraud as an excuse to keep typically liberal voters from voting. Please don’t make me post for the hundredth time the video of the PA politician who gloated just that.

  308. Poolman are you putting Joseph Smith on equal footing with Jesus?

    Where did that come from? Of course not. From what I have read, Joseph Smith was a con artist. Who the hell is Moroni? Moron with an i. Like I said, Jesus didn’t start a religion, just tied up the loose ends.

  309. “I’d love to ask Niccole Wallace if she fed Palin that “prediction”. Palin can’t fucking spell Ukraine.”

    Who gives a fuck who fed her the prediction? The fact is she issued it and she was proven correct. Obama is Russia’s bitch.

  310. “Please don’t make me post for the hundredth time the video of the PA politician who gloated just that.”

    So 1 politician said so. Oh the horror.

    Funny that 80 cases is nothing to get excited about, because 1 guy said what Rutherford wants to hear.

    ————-

    Did you watch the video I linked?

    I’m getting the sense that if we want to get Rutherford to watch or read something, we need to alter the title of it to “Sarah Palin makes a fool of herself again”.

    Otherwise his phone app might not work right.

  311. I was totally shocked at the doctor’s office today.

    Maybe because I just turned 40. Maybe because I read too much into my psoriasis. Maybe because I read too much stuff online.

    Whatever the case, I was convinced I was diabetic, had high cholesterol and riddled with internal inflammation.

    So, my jaw dropped when my doctor was pleased with everything. Blood work perfect.

    I’m a fucking specimen. She didn’t even think I was really that fat!

    Strangely, the good news is a motivator to get in better shape.

  312. @ Rutherford #432:
    Restoring the middle class??? Are you fucking serious? What political process is even remotely capable of doing that?

    In the real world of late I’ve been involved in two things. One reading a translated Japanese novel that has me seriously wonder what the fuck they’re on about over there. (1Q84 The second is looking at two broad socio-political planks. One being the myths and false memories of times gone by etc. I put that out there given the “restore the middle class” meme. Truth is one could argue that although vast groups throughout US history saw widespread socio-economic improvements the US is not without a near caste like societal makeup and the related scourge that for the majority of Americans where you are is where you stay.

  313. “Not for nothing but the WP app sucks … ”

    Finally someone feels my pain. Actually Alfie it’s DECENT for writing new posts but badly sucks on engaging in a comment thread.

    I seldom quote you guys anymore because the damn app won’t let you copy/paste from a comment without going into edit mode.

    Worst part Alfie is that it wasn’t always thus. The app worked better BEFORE the improvements!!!

  314. I’m watching the debut of Seth Myers new talk show and all I can hope is that he evolves like Conan O’Brien did. I’ve never witnessed such an awkward stiff uncomfortable monologue in my life.

  315. R, we have treaty obligations to defend the Ukraine. You might want to hope that the Failure in Chief pulls his head out of his ass and focuses on the issues of the day……. instead of fundraising….

  316. @ Rutherford 452…don’t be a hater :))
    @ Rutherford 453…oh I know the first iOS 7 one was pretty neat and I was really happy with it on the iPad. Then I updated that and now I hate it on the pad and super hate it on the phone. they completely dropped the ball.

  317. I fear we are actually engaged in the Ukraine situation and further fear we’re gonna lose. I think Moscow has a multi-layer thing going that has variables that allow them a degree of win no matter what. I think the USA has a more B&W thing going and have less wiggle room ergo my fear we punt and walk.

  318. Not for nothing but as sick as the Rutherfords are about isolated & singular cases of voter fraud I feel the same way about the mythical former slave who doesn’t have as much as a library card and is residing in total isolation from the world but is all GOTV

  319. Hard to reconcile my thinking Russia would not get its Ossetia on yet have multiple win wins at their disposal but all for naught since Russian parliament oks deployments. They’re going in folks and possibly more than Crimea . What “costs” can BHO offer?

  320. “we have treaty obligations to defend the Ukraine.”

    Do we? (That’s a genuine question)

    I ask because I was reading this in response to that claim.

    Basically, it says the Budapest Memorandum is not a security agreement, although it does (or should anyway) obligate Russia to keep out of the Ukraine.

    I also saw another blog article questioning if it is an actual treaty ratified by congress (That was also a genuine question as the blogger did not know).

  321. “What “costs” can BHO offer?”

    He can’t. That’s why he needs to stop saying stupid shit like this.

    Any parent knows you don’t tell a kid not to do something unless there are penalties they are willing to issue for non-compliance. When you don’t back up what you say, you are actually reinforcing negative behavior.

    Obama’s “red lines” and “costs” amount to “If you do that there is going to be trouble” which is then followed by “I said ‘no no'” with a wagging finger after it has been done.

  322. Since Russia has UNSC veto he cant even get so much as a sanction. That fact also renders that Budapest Agreement toothless, because from what I saw the UNSC is the only enforcement mechanism mentioned within it.

  323. “The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years,” -Obama to Romney

    Yuck Yuck Yuck

    Obama…the year 2014 isn’t on the phone. No, 2014 is about to knock the door down and skull fuck you.

    If you guys thought the Syrian red line was bad..abandoning Ukraine is the ultimate game changer (although a predictable one). Ukraine is going to get fucked over Czechoslovakia style. Crimea the Sudetenland.

    Expect a way more aggressive Israel, for starters.

    The world is fast approaching anarchy.

    The destabilization this is going to cause will be horrible. Mark my words. Either a fascist Russian curtain falls over Europe or a true Cold War starts. Too bad our coffers are empty, this time.

    Keep on rocking in the free world while you can Baltic States and Poland.

    I’d actually respect the administration more if they walked away from the poker table instead of these mealy mouthed bluffs. Just say we are isolationist and quit ending up in these situations where we tap out.

    The community organizer, Neville Obama has done so much damage.

    The failure of this presidency will one day be accepted by all. Case study in the dangerous effects of voting someone in for shallow emotional reasons.

    On the same week we slash the power of the military (heaven forbid we slash waste instead) Russia invades Crimea. You can’t make this shit up.

  324. Oops…posted before I read Hucking.

    Great minds think a like….and when they don’t I rip on his sedentary life style via ad hominem.

  325. I’d love to ask Niccole Wallace if she fed Palin that “prediction”. Palin can’t fucking spell Ukraine.

    “R”, you got a glaring weakness in my opinion. You value reputation above all else while some backwater type like me places more value on results, I think.

    I’ve had the pleasure of intersecting with both highly educated, “professionally” educated white collar and those in blue collar who lack a “formal” education for all of my adult life. I’ve received my degrees with honors from two tier type universities – decent state schools. I tip my hat to you about your Harvard education – assumed as good as it gets.

    However, the last 30 years of adulthood have given me an epiphany. Here’s what I’ve concluded.

    You can attend the best of schools and get the best of grades and still be dumber than an amoeba – frankly feckless.

    You can have a blue collar trade and a bunch of horse sense and be worth your weight in gold. I’ve met plumbers that are ten times smarter than some doctors, Wall Streets, lawyers, etc…

    Now, as a courtesy and being I don’t find you particularly arrogant for an Ivy unless you’re parroting MSNBC narrative, let me ask you an objective question.

    If Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Duke, Columbia, Penn, Stanford – the people that basically run our institutions of government are so good…

    …why are their results generally so dismal?

    If Texans like Rick Perry so dumb…

    Why is his state with his low level associates from UT and A&M blowing the doors off the rest of the country in creating jobs, balancing budgets, and other assorted indicators of success?

    You figure there’s just an outside chance that some of these peak institutes of higher learning, the best of the best, have a reputation that is pretty much based on history, academia propaganda and endowment?

    ————

    Now I tip my cap for the campaigning. The Republicans have very little room for error in the bloc voting of today – more free stuff is an easy sell and virtually impossible to defeat in an election. For the most part, the majority of America exists to pleasure themselves and not much more.

    But I was glad to read you were honest. Obama isn’t terribly bright. Joe Biden is an utter moron and buffoon. In fact, I can’t think of one person currently on Obama’s staff I find particularly bright, much less brilliant. And many of them were supposedly star students at prestigious universities.

    When you badmouth people like Sarah Palin, I understand they’re not in the same supposed league of highfaluting education – but before she became a household name and was marginalized by the media, she was America’s most popular governor.

    I’ve concluded reading Vanity Fair and the New York Times doesn’t necessarily crown you as rocket scientist.

    I think you parrot too much of what you read and hear, and not enough thought given to what’s achieved when you cast judgment.

  326. I haven’t read about this anywhere, but isn’t Russia’s occupation of Crimea with soldiers lacking a uniform a currently war crime?

    I realize special ops missions often go down without a uniform. But a full blown occupation?

    Russian terrorists.

  327. “I think you parrot too much of what you read and hear, and not enough thought given to what’s achieved when you cast judgment.” Tex

    Yeah, the critical thinking just isn’t their. I don’t think he is capable of it.

  328. @ dead rabbit the Russians kind of have carte blanche in the Crimea tied to the military base “leases” as I understand it which include far more than the usually thought of port facilities. There are two airfields if I’m not mistaken and various other infrastructure. the Russians can make a legit point about their actions there even if the system was created in their favor all along.

  329. More to your query I don’t think on the ground there are many doubts of the who’s who stuff. Of interest the Ukrainian special police,the Berkut, are going to get special consideration for Russian visa’s.
    As for special forces I would not think Spetsnaz are in high numbers in the area

  330. A,

    You know….had the true Crimean people not suffered a wholesale Holocaust by the hands of Russia I’d be more inclined to support the seemingly logical conclusion that Crimea speaks Russian so should be part of Russia.

    Unfortunately, the progressives in the West never cared much about that Holocaust, among the countless others….so….I guess exterminating people pays off pretty good in the long run if you manage to somehow pull off being hip on college campuses.

  331. Alfie I don’t have problems with the OS per se. I’m pissed of at the WP software developers. Unless of course you’re suggesting changes in the OS boxed them into some poor decisions.

  332. Alfie if the states in question were liberal about what kinds of id were acceptable I’d be with you. But some states don’t want to honor student ID cards. WTF?

  333. DR, yes, conventional military operations require a uniform that identifies the soldiers.

    I agree that the Budapest Memorandum may not have the international legal requirements specific to the requirements of a mutual defense treaty; however, we signed the agreement with the full understanding that the United States and Great Britain would not allow Russia to violate the territorial integrity of Ukraine. If we do not honor this agreement, legally binding or not, we will lose the bulk of the support we could ever hope for from Eastern Europe, and pretty much anywhere else.

    We ask other nations to take risks for us, with the understanding that we’ll have their backs if/when the shit hits the fan. The Ball-less wonder in the Oval orifice is destroying U.S. foreign policy. There is no other word for it. We’ve lost a tremendous amount of support in the Middle East, largely because of Obama’s handling of the Arab Spring writ large, but specifically in the Syrian situation. His failure in handing Syria, and the complete punking he received from Putin, has neutered U.S. influence in the region.

    But Eastern Europe has been especially bad. Obama pulled the rug out from under Poland with the missile defense shield. His hot-mike incident with Putin further deteriorated confidence Eastern European leaders had in any Obama resolve to address Russian aggression. Now we have the Ukrainian situation, which should have been a simple case. Obama has single-handedly empowered Russia. He has been the greatest thing to ever happen to a Russia desperate to be relevant again on the international stage.

    It is hard to imagine any other Administration in the history of this nation that has been as bad as this one. It has failed at every level, and there is nothing any Obama supporter can point to that demonstrates a success. Not one.

  334. Vitali Klitschko, who I have long been a fan of, needs to realize that it is what it is. My man needs to enter himself as a candidate. Constantly advising at this point weakens the very thing Ukraine so desperately needs.

  335. isn’t Russia’s occupation of Crimea with soldiers lacking a uniform a currently war crime?

    What difference, at this point, does it make? This is like one big fucking circus. The damn thing is as entertaining as it is deadly. Like we should be the ones pointing out war crimes. Like we haven’t send covert operatives in every place on the planet, and then some. We don’t follow our own rules and we don’t honor our treaties. Never really have. But when we do it, it’s somehow justifiable. What do you think the CIA has been doing since its inception? Terrorist depends on which side is reporting. You can’t believe a thing coming from this administration.

    Willful ignorance runs rampant in the motherland.

  336. Tex I think the mistake you make is assuming I discriminate against Sarah for the school(s) she attended. Sarah has demonstrated repeatedly that she is a word salad spewing lame brain.

    I am living proof that an Ivy League education does not confer either genius or effectiveness. You are smart and good at applying your talents or you’re not.

    On Joe Biden I tend to think he is a very experienced pol with some insights but a poor communicator. While Obama can deliver a good speech, I think Biden may have an original thought. Still there is a terrible image problem. He doesn’t look nor act presidential.

  337. Rabbit constant opposition does not imply “critical thinking”. It just implies constantly being critical – which is intellectually quite easy.

  338. “We ask other nations to take risks for us, ”

    Are you fucking kidding me? No other country does shit for America. That’s part of the problem. We police and protect the world with very little compensation. It adds to that national debt you’re soooo concerned about.

  339. “Great minds think a like….and when they don’t I rip on his sedentary life style via ad hominem.”

    I enjoyed that. I disagree with much of what Rabbit says but damn I love his honesty and unsparing self reflection.

  340. Dumb point Gorilla. Every form of ID can be forged so 100% “integrity” is unattainable. A student ID with photo should be legit … unless you’re afraid the student will vote for a Democrat.

    What is sad Gorilla is that your animosity towards liberals is so profound that you’d send us back 50 years. You don’t give a single shit that a legit black, young or elderly voter might be denied their birthright do you?

  341. Since I’m not a fan of solutions in search of a problem I’d like to propose that a non-partisan panel study nation wide voter fraud and quantify the problem once and for all. If the determination is that fraud accounts for 1% of votes then give it a rest.

    On the other hand, if our elections are looking like Iran then let’s have at it.

    Hey Gorilla, since you’re so gung-ho about electoral integrity how do you feel about legislatures carving out districts to guarantee certain results. It’s called gerrymandering. Got a problem with that?

    Nah, didn’t think so.

  342. You know what we are ALL guilty of? We don’t mind being manipulated by the PTB so long as it confirms our ideology.

    As much as I love hosting this thing, to some extent this blog and all the comments about it are one cruel joke. We are all being lied to by friend and foe alike

    Fuck, I don’t really believe that Gorilla, who is arguably closest to where the action is, knows what the hell is really going on. Or he may just be another manipulator.

    Hate to echo Poolman but we’ve lost control of the mother ship. No matter how smart we sound we are all clueless.

    It almost makes me want to believe in a God who will ultimately protect us cos I’m no longer sure mere mortals are up to the task.

  343. @ Rutherford but please don’t over read anything I’ve said. I firmly believe the Russians are acting in their interests and this is a shame for the Ukrainians and for sovereignty.
    Obviously as an American I am biased but comparing the growing Ukraine situation to say Iraq or Afghanistan is incorrect. Perhaps some of the early 20th Century Platt Amendment actions (Cuba) and other “Corollary” points could apply. With that said I try to feel the pain wherever sovereignty is pissed upon.
    Russia bullies the “bread basket” nation and will continue to do so. The population makeup was manipulated by Stalin let alone other incidents dead rabbit alludes to. In the years after independence the Russians literally shut the gas (Gazprom) taps off,to the entire country!

  344. @ #486 I obviously won’t speak for gorilla but I want badly to chime in.
    Gerrymandering is a disgrace and one committed by both parties. I would beg you not to believe though R that when the (D)’s do it it is indeed for franchising the poor or other blanks.
    FWIW give me some way to have identification without it being a liberty taker and I say go universal. I think there are obvious ways to do this just as we do in private sector matters,but by all means lets do it for the vote must be credible.
    Let me ask you a question Rutherford [not trying to hang the dictator albatross on you either] Where do you stand on COMPULSORY VOTING?

  345. To be fair and since I’m stepping away from the Mac for the rest of the night… I stand that I would indeed support compulsory voting,with ID and with a NONE OF THE ABOVE or NO CONFIDENCE choices available. I would love to see essentially “They all SUCK” be the winning vote. I’d like that a lot.

  346. @ #483 not for nothing but when we have editorialists and pseudo historians tell us that Barack Obama inspired various oppositions such as the Arab Spring to step up and be heard and then we turn our heads,well kinda….you see hat I mean?

  347. “A student ID with photo should be legit … unless you’re afraid the student will vote for a Democrat.”

    Let’s see. You can’t use a student ID to open a bank account, purchase liquor, or board an airplane.

    Any idea why that is, R?

  348. Got this joke from a friend and thought you guys would appreciate it. Sounds like it’s been circulating for a while but I still thought it was funny.
    =======================================

    Gun control has already started at Gander Mountain Sporting Goods.

    When I was ready to pay for my purchases of gun powder and bullets… the cashier said, “Strip down, facing me.”

    Making a mental note to complain to the NRA about the gun control whackos running amok, I did just as she had instructed.

    When the hysterical shrieking and alarms finally subsided, I found out that she was referring to how I should place my credit card in the card-reader.

    I have been asked to shop elsewhere in the future. They need to make their instructions to us seniors a little clearer!

    I STILL DON’T THINK I LOOKED THAT BAD.

  349. Where do you stand on COMPULSORY VOTING?

    I don’t recall which ones but I just read recently (I think in Chris Hayes’ book) that some countries do this.

    I think citizenship should carry some obligations. Voting should probably be one of them. It doesn’t solve the voter fraud “problem” but it is certainly a push towards inclusion vs exclusion.

  350. Let’s see. You can’t use a student ID to open a bank account, purchase liquor, or board an airplane.

    Tigre, do you believe that voting is the birthright of every non-felon American? No one has a right to a bank account, a bottle of booze or a flight to Miami. Every non-felon citizen has a right to vote.

    Your comparison is insipid.

    If we are serious about voter integrity, then let’s do what Alfie said and make it EASY for EVERYONE with a right to vote, to obtain the government ID that will properly identify them, with the understanding that such ID’s can be forged and that a 100% airtight solution is impossible. And let’s make the solution NATIONAL so our bass-ackward states cannot weasel out of it.

  351. No one has the right to a bottle of booze?

    1933 just called….it wants to have a word with you, Rutherford.

    And actually..voting isn’t a birthright inasmuch as it’s a citizenship right. Or did Mr. “everyone but liberals hates immigrants” forget that not all Americans were born Americans?

    You are correct on the last point, though. If we were to have voter ID laws they need to be national laws, not varying state by state, and the ID should be absolutely easy to obtain and available to all eligible voters.

  352. You completely miss the point and call it insipid. Figures. :roll:

    That’s what you get for nor answering my question but avoiding it (as always).

    It has to do with the ability to verify. A student ID doesn’t cut it. Why should it for voting?

    Hell, how about proper ID to obtain your “right” to healthcare? I’ve had to show a picture ID every time I was set up as a new patient at a doctor’s office.

    And if I have a “birthright” to vote, then why don’t I have a birthright to make my vote count by not being offset by a fraudulent vote?

    Incidentally why call it a “birthright?” There are plenty that don’t have such a “birthright” for example age and incarceration and plenty that acquired the right not through birth but citizenship).

    p.s. couldn’t help but notice what you’ve said here as the “right” not have to prove your identity against your dumb comparisons about mandatory car insurance being the same as mandatory health insurance.

  353. Question for our founding father experts. Do a fact check for my lazy ass and confirm: did James Madison say “government should prevent an immoderate accumulation of riches”?

    If so, wouldn’t that find an interesting application in today’s society?

    And if he did say it, how many of you would own up to it? The founding fathers are a bit like the Bible. Choose your quotes carefully my friends. :-)

  354. Tex I think the mistake you make is assuming I discriminate against Sarah for the school(s) she attended. Sarah has demonstrated repeatedly that she is a word salad spewing lame brain.

    By whose declaration? Yours and Chris Hayes? Sarah Palin called the Ukraine right. You won’t even give credit for that and then state without a shred of proof somebody else predicted it and provided her the byline. You hear what you want to hear. You see what you want to see.

    No. Sarah Palin was forgotten more about the throughput of hydrocarbons than most, while you and Chris Hayes barely know how to fill your own gas tanks and certainly don’t understand a damn thing about the energy industry.

    Hell. You’ve as much as called Mitt Romney a loser. Really?

    At what besides a Presidential election? Everything until the election the man touched turned to gold.

    You immediately and predictably always refer to anyone folksy as stupid or unintelligent – as long as they are Republican. Why don’t you call James Carville, Clinton enabler, as stupid or lame brain spewer then? He’s as folksy as they come…

  355. I’m already helping my wife do her history homework so I don;t have time right now to do Rutherford’s too. Especially when he can’t take 5 minutes to fire up his PC and watch a damn video.

    So with that said, this possibly out-of-context quote is mentioned in a secondary source on the Federalists political theory, and it looks like this portion of the book may be talking about Federalist Paper #10.

    Now do your own damn research from here… ;)

  356. Just got back from Monster Truck (Gravedigger won). 4 inches of snow and 30,000 people converge on Ford Field… no police presence. As in not one cop. Really needed a couple traffic cops.

    Couldn’t find any parking. Take in mind I’m an ex-season Tiger ticket holder, so I know my shit.

    Had to walk from farther out then I did the World Series. Froze my nut sack off.

    Anyways…main walking areas were a sheet of absolutely deadly ice. Detroit doesn’t give a damn about getting sued.

    Didn’t realize so many black people were Monster Truck fans. Lots of them. Good crowd. Lots of little ones with their Dads.

    My boy and my nephew were in sheer awe for 30 minutes and then instantly over it.

    3 and 4 year olds crack me up: “Look, a massive truck is flying through the air!!!….nope, the two clowns have both moved on to something more exciting such as pulling the strings of my sweat shirt.

  357. OK Huck I got to sit at my PC long enough to watch the vid at 359. Turley who was a constant critic of Bush and frequent guest of Keith Olbermann (oh the horror) is at least consistent and is making a clear effort to propose the ends do not justify the means.

    So I guess after watching that video I have to ask, who are you angry with? Obama for taking the power or the courts for not challenging him? I think if it’s Obama, you’re ignoring human nature. The powerful want more power, not less. That’s why we need the other branches to keep him in check.

    Personally I am hoping the Dem’s lose the Senate in the fall because then we can see how the rest of the admin plays out with the POTUS against an undivided legislative.

  358. “making a clear effort to propose the ends do not justify the means.”

    That’s because he agrees with the ends. I think we’ve been consistent in proposing that we don’t like the ends or the means, wouldn’t you agree?

    “who are you angry with? Obama for taking the power or the courts for not challenging him?”

    Is it up to the courts to challenge him or is it up to the courts to make a ruling when someone else challenges him? That is a genuine question, but I do believe the correct answer is the latter.

    Take the pro forma sessions/recess appointments case. It wasn’t until some entity challenged the authority of those appointees that the case went to the Supreme Court.

    The House has made numerous claims that he is abusing power. Why they don’t formalize that, I don’t know. Perhaps they know it would die in the Senate, just like everything else they send there. Or maybe they don’t think they can win the messaging battle.

    We know the Senate will never challenge his authority as long as Reid and Co. control it.

    This is what Turley seems to be asking. Why aren’t they?

    “you’re ignoring human nature. The powerful want more power, not less.”

    This is a copout, and you know it.

    “That’s why we need the other branches to keep him in check.”

    But it seems to me that you want the legislature to keep him in check….by going along with him and doing what he wants.

    When they oppose him, by passing legislation his party kills in the senate—which he also says he will veto if the senate passes–you call it “opening the door”.

    When they oppose him in the senate with the only means available–filibuster–you call it “opening the door”.

    Turley’s afraid, Rutherford. I hope you also got that from the video. He’s afraid like the rest of us here who have been screaming about this for months. He’s afraid like we’ve been trying to get you to be. He’s afraid like you WILL be when its some president using this to do stuff you DON’T like.

    I thank you for giving it a watch and a comment

  359. We are having historic weather. it is -10 this morning with five inches of new snow on the ground. The temperature may fall below -20 by tomorrow morning.The weather service expects all of our old high and low records will fall this weekend.

    Sarah Palin was not the only person who saw something in Ukraine.We have mentioned Ukraine off and on since December. Now, Russia has invaded Crimea and we hear the usual chorus of condemnation. This is a dangerous time because as Osama bin ladin noted, people choose the strong horse over the weak horse.

    Obama has already demonstrated his weakness and ineptitude in world affairs. Syria and Putin’s out maneuvering him is a notable example. Putin dislikes Obama for good reason, and he wants to restore Russia’s former grandeur. He will use this episode to bully his enemies in future disputes.

    The courts have already tried to stop the President with adverse rulings, and he basically ignores them.

    As time passes, my digs using Sarah Palin are evolving into a different conclusion. Romney would have been a better president, and Now I am convinced even Sarah Palin would also have been better than Obama.

    I wouldn’t accept compulsory voting without an attendant civics and current affairs class. The people who voted for this mendacious crew without knowing what they were getting should be too ashamed to vote in the next election.

  360. When asked about Constitutional over reach, Rutherford says “do something about it”.

    When asked about a geopolitical crisis Rutherford says foreign policy is too complicated for any one of us to analyze.

    See the pattern here?

    Rutherford chooses ignorance and thinks we all should. It’s pretty bad when the guy who fought off a snow storm to go to Monster Truck is pointing that out.

    Let’s take foreign policy. I reject that an educated person can’t form a sound opinion.

    Rutherford feels lost because he doesn’t have the slightest notion on how the world works.

    Apply the realist paradigm, understand the local history and demographics. Use the same game theory a freshman in high school utilizes when there is a pattern of no follow through by the home room teacher.

    Rutherford. Comb through the Wikileaks releases. You are dead wrong. The world is more transparent then you realize.

    Lastly, I remember you cracking up over Obama mocking Romney about Russia in the debates. For the love of God, Russia has invaded the Ukraine. And the administration is caught off guard. Again. Dude invaded Crimea two minutes after we said there would be costs. Assad gassed people. Fucking gassed people! After our red line!

    You do something about it! If you liberals think think Obama is full of shit on foreign policy or is is making executive decisions out side the Constitution, throw a shit storm! The administration wont listen to us. They will you guys.

    No. That would take education and fortitude. They used to call it civic virtue. You have none.

  361. Same here, James. Went to bed last night – close to 44º. Wake up this morning. 14º with a north wind of about 20mph (-3) wind chill factor and snow in my face. Try to scrape the windows of the truck. Forget it. Got in the car and drove to get a bagel and cup of coffee.

    For March, that is damn cold in Oklahoma.

  362. “Why they don’t formalize that, I don’t know. ” -Hucking

    It’s Rutherford’s fault. His wife’s fault. Greychin’s fault. If appeal to demagoguery, fascist emotion, raw partisanship and most importantly chosen ignorance rules the day, we get what we deserve.

    The great down side of democracy: Collective suicide is always on the table.

  363. @ dead rabbit I read a piece I won’t say where but suffice it wasn’t a right side source.
    It put forth that liberals /progressives should be/are secretly quite pleased with the international disengagement that is occurring under BHO. I found the piece to be entirely short sighted but I saw the “logic” the author was sharing.
    This dovetailed quite nicely with other pieces from around the world that looked at how Obama will or should throw the ultimate bone to the Left via abolishing the post 9/11 AUMF.

  364. “It put forth that liberals /progressives should be/are secretly quite pleased with the international disengagement”

    No doubt, an argument for isolationism exists. As we know, that base as been an old school wing of the GOP for a long time.

    Rutherford is an isolationist. He isolates himself from knowledge and wants an authority to do the thinking for him (among many things).

    And he rips on Palin??????

    Rutherford is a premeditated fool and admits as much.

  365. Alfie, if Obama is an isolationist, whats with all the red lines? The neocon policy in Egypt that bit him in the ass?

  366. For clarification the actions Obama is committing to and are advocated by some of the sources I was reading presents disengagement as different from isolation. When you think of the knocks on BHO “leading from behind” it actually makes sense.

    The Left will pick and choose where they act but they are going to disengage from all “they inherited”. They will do this for political points and will fail to look ahead.
    Isolationism is actually a safer policy,best to let the big dog sleep. Disengagement just walks hand in hand with our perceived weakness. I’d stip this is more than word nuance.

  367. “we get what we deserve..” No, rabbit, we don’t At least the we who tried to stop it. I agree with your concept of suicidal democracies.

    My wife and I watched the Vika video as she sang “I am not Alone” while waving a Ukrainian flag, My wife said that considering the other pro -revolutionary videos she has released that her life might not be worth much this year. She may have an “accident.”

    It wouldn’t be such a surprise in a disfunctional central European country, but I still wonder when such thoughts will be in our future. The IRS combined with ObamaCare has the potential power to make any of us disappear. They won’t have to use exploding cars or exotic poisons.

    We watch our country slowly disintegrate and the most we can do is complain. Maybe we do deserve what we get.

  368. Obama is an anti- colonialist and he resents the mostly white European colonial empires which exploited mostly non-white countries. He rejects American exceptionalism, and like his leftist fellow travelers Obama believes we exert too much influence and take too large a share of the world’s resources.The left may not have thought through the ramifications of such conscious disengagement, or maybe they have.

    I agree with Alfie. This is more than word nuance.

    Speaking of disengagement, where are they Rutherford? Where are the liberals who used to frequent this site? Are they merely summer soldiers who quit when the going gets tough? Are they beginning to doubt? You struggle on alone with a nice blog. You doggedly try to defend the indefensible. it must be a lonely task. You are better than them.

    Our temperature is up to -3, and the sun is shining. We know it can’t last in March, Tex.

  369. “Obama is an anti- colonialist and he resents the mostly white European colonial empires which exploited mostly non-white countries”
    James

    You know, you would think he would have more love for Eastern Europe, if that’s the case. Or is only about skin tone with the liberals?

    As far as the ex colonial powers, you would think we could find some common ground, as they sometimes bug the shit out of me too. In someways, outside of GB, the American tax payer subsides their welfare states by paying for their defense. I sometimes wouldn’t mind making oil rich Norway step up with some more cash and even give more blood if need be. (In this case guessing Norway’s military spending per GDP is lower then ours…could be wrong).

    The refusal to believe in American exceptionalism kills me. Irrational.

    It’s not about blaring Toby Keith and waving flags. I get that pride in one’s country isn’t hip to liberal hipsters. Nationalism bad. (Communism full of folk heroes…but never mind.)

    The facts on the ground make us exceptional. That can’t be denied, no matter how “uncool” it may seem to liberals. We all could write a 30 page thesis for why America is exceptional.

    Power vacuums are dangerous times. Doesn’t matter where they are. The streets. The world. Fact of life.

  370. “The Left will pick and choose where they act but they are going to disengage from all “they inherited”. They will do this for political points and will fail to look ahead.” A

    Bingo. Why I despise liberals! It’s always, ALWAYS, about the machine. It’s why they all masturbate to that show House of Cards.

    If only they would apply that same cunning to foreign policy. Make the End all about American interests instead of winning elections so they can rob us. They strangle their own people with Real Politic but act like Peter Pan on the world stage. Fucking hate liberals!

  371. “Cool? Of course we’re not cool. We’re Republicans for crying out loud! We’re the adults in the room. We’re the ones who wash the dishes and put away the toys after the kids are all in bed. And who get up and go to work the next morning.” -Ace

  372. You mean a guy from Michigan doesn’t feel sorry for a guy from Oklahoma when the wind chill is “now” -7º below zero? :twisted:

    Why, Rabbit. I never knew you so heartless. And hey. We got snow on the ground too! I can handle the cold but I need to run to Home Depot.

    I swear I don’t know how you guys from the Northeast and upper Midwest handle 4 months of this crap – living in dark and freezing cold to boot.

    I know for a fact I’m one of those ninnies with seasonal affective disorder. A real puss without sunlight.

    I would have made a Beta Vampire.

  373. Obama and the left politicize everything– and it is why Putin and the rest of the world that’s not tethered plays him. He’s fighting against Republicans, not for American interests.

  374. Toby Kieth and Vika should do a concert together and wave their respective flags just to irritate the liberals.

    Eastern Europeans are white, and we all know whites look alike.

  375. Some parts of the Dallas-Fort Worth area are having thunderstorms with sleet and snow. 72 is only an impossible dream for us now. Wait until next summer.

  376. Tex, when we lived in England, I went to work in the darkness and came home when it was dark. Our anemic little sun could barely burn away the fog at noon as it perched low on the horizon,. Maybe the cold dank winter climate makes Europeans so irritable.

  377. Kerry says “all options are on the table” regarding Russia.

    Remember when Bush said “all options are on the table” regarding Iran, and the left screamed for years about the impending war with Iran that never came?

    Anyone holding their breath for the left’s reaction to this?

  378. Since all of these photos are staged, I am trying to figure out what this is trying to project to the liberal base. I can’t figure it out. He looks like he’s ordering a Pizza and went to the nearest phone to do it. I guess that projects “cool” in the face of a crisis?

  379. I’ll bet Zero is working on his NCAA brackets – talking to ESPN for a photo op.

    Have you heard that the NFL is thinking of heavy fines on players for using the words “nigger” and “fag.” :lol:

    I guess when we’ve emasculated the NFL too, we can start working on emasculating the seals.

    And we wonder why Putin is playing us?

    P.S. – James, you may have a point. Coming home in the dark used to depress the hell out of me.

  380. 72 down here bitches.

    :lol: Extremes. Your winter ain’t over yet, scarlett. 70 on my patio right now. We had rain yesterday. 1.8 inches here. That’s almost a quarter of our average annual. This will be a year of broken records.

  381. LOL…..that picture looks like the cover of a catalog for the GAP.

    I think Leni Riefenstahl’s zombie is working for the administration.

    These propaganda pictures are too much.

    By the way, I am so sick of the politician “rolling up his sleeves” to tell us all he’s working on it. Might be worse then “folks”.

  382. If Obama always has his sleeves rolled up in the WH I guess its safe to assume he’s not obeying his own thermostat dogma.
    “We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times,”

  383. re 531, In the world of cordless technology, look who still has a big black corded pos. I suppose it’s more a leash. This still shows in plain sight the obvious shadow government at the helm of what was once known as the United States of America. Obama is to the left of the seat of power and is obviously getting his daily marching orders. Note the pyramid up his hind end and maritime flag flowing on from stage right. Wartime arrows at the ready. The actor house right Obama stands casting a downward glance toward his master. His sleeves rolled up, hands at the ready for whatever need may arise…

  384. Fuck off, peasants!
    :lol: Man, I can’t stand that entitled, angry, black woman. I haven’t seen anything that distasteful since Antoinette was filling her cheeks with her nasty mouth full, promising to help the middle class at those $38,500 campaign luncheons. What a sanctimonious phony and baboon.

    If there was justice in this world, Shelly would have sixteen African stretching rings around her neck, carrying a jug of water on her head, barefoot, trudging through mosquito infested mud.

    Remember when the tactless Obamas told us they were going to adopt a mutt? :twisted:

  385. A forecaster for the Tulsa office of the National Weather Service wrote in the discussion section that “Today I’ve seen more divers and rapidly changing weather than at any eight hour shift over my entire 40 year career.” Amasrillo broke a low high temperature while our high was zero.

    Kevan Harvik won the NASCAR race held in Arizona. At the end of the race, his pit crew held hands and prayed.

    I remember the mutt comment.

  386. Man….I’ve been parched all weekend. Home alone with little clowns all day. My wife came home with two bottles of cold, creamy Chimay Reserve for me. Marriage ain’t so bad.

    That’s how I deal with winter, Tex. I drink.

    -10 again tonight.

  387. James: “As time passes, my digs using Sarah Palin are evolving into a different conclusion. Romney would have been a better president, and Now I am convinced even Sarah Palin would also have been better than Obama.”

    Have to agree. Stipulating, though, that’s a pretty low bar.

  388. I can’t believe people actually buy the Obama’s bullshit. This idea that they can identify with the hardships of the people. This idea that they are like us. This idea that they give a flying fuck about our problems.

    That picture…and there are soooooo many others…shows that they are nothing like us. And its not just because they are the president and first lady.

    No….they don’t think like us. They are long past that. They are royalty, and we are here simply to serve and amuse them. We are their playthings. Their subjects.

    Their fucking dogs eat better than we do. They wear jewelry that we only wished we could afford to give to our women. They sit…and probably shit and piss…on furniture we’d be afraid to touch for fear of messing it up.

    And they are so out of touch that they tweet that shit and think nothing of it.

    How everyone can’t see that is beyond me.

  389. “Have to agree. Stipulating, though, that’s a pretty low bar.”

    for some reason that cracked me up. and i agree that the bar is low….

  390. I’m beginning to wonder if we really need much of federal government anymore. They don’t do much constructive that I can discern. I don’t want to hear anymore nonsense about We the People, by the People, for the People.

    Federalism, baby! I’d like to tell Eric Holder to go f himself. If a million people joined me, what the hell is he going to do? :smile: Anybody really think if push comes to shove, the military is going to side with these assholes in Obama’s cabinet?

    I know military guys that disdain Obama and his 40 thieves a lot more than I do. :twisted:

  391. Huck, not only are they mot like us, they don’t like us. And that includes dems — at least the ones that aren’t black celebrities.

  392. I’ve never been so bored as I have at this minute. I can’t stand to be imprisoned in my own home. This weather sucks.

    Anybody in here have a tankless gas water heater in their house, and if so, do you like it? I’m going to fork over a butt load of money to get rid of my two 50 gallon electric tanks that the cheap bastard that owned this house before me had installed when he changed over from gas. Probably had a rebate program, or something.

    One sitting in the middle of my house doesn’t even have a drain! WTF? For 22 years, I’ve had a bomb ready to go off literally in the middle of four bedrooms, so ever 7 years or so, I put a new water heater in. I’m tired of worrying about it when I leave for vacations and stuff.

    My wife pitched a fit because she’s got almost immediate hot water in her bathroom and it never runs out. I asked her, “How’d you like to have hot water around your ankles one day too?” So I installed this automatic shut off valve – but I don’t trust it.

    And it still doesn’t alleviate 50 gallons of water sitting there if the bottom of the tank just happens to go out.

    I think I’m getting paranoid in my old age and realize I’m not too long from not being able to physically do some of this stuff I’ve been doing.

  393. Tex, I just replaced our water heater and had the same debate. I decided to go with the regular gas replacement though.

    However, the guys I know that have the inline/tankless love them. The increased cost sure is something to balance though. I couldn’t bring myself to make the investment.

  394. I have some experience with tankless gas water heaters. It has been 20 years, but this is the company that made them:

    http://www.palomatankless.com

    They are nice, but do have some drawbacks. The way you make the water hotter is reduce or restrict flow, so sometimes water pressure at the shower head might be an issue if you like really, really hot showers.

    I used to have a problem with electric water heaters, preferring gas. This mainly due to heat up time and cost of electric vs gas. It was just based on my own logic. I moved into a house that was all electric and was very surprised with the performance of the electric water heater. I also noticed they last up to 3 times longer. I had to replace the water heater in 08, 21 years after it was installed. The previous owner had a permit for the damned thing. The 40 gallon one I put in was nothing fancy, but did a fine job of recovery. I don’t recall running out of hot water, even after using it after the girls took their long showers. The electric elements may experience a build up of minerals, but the tank itself did not, unlike the gas type with which I was more familiar.

    Gas heaters get about 7 years, whereas electric get 20. It also helps if you have soft water. I have had several gas heaters start to leak on me. It is crazy not to have it where it can drain. No venting needed for electric, but inlet and outlet very important with gas. The inlet needs to be twice the size as the flue… .

  395. @ Tex I have a tankless oil fired system. I can only recommend tankless if you get some type of reserve set up. I was pricing one out just yesterday. We get so much “steal” from the heating part of the system in the winter that a.m. shower #2 and def #3 is cold. Doesn’t help my nanny state mandates the damn temptrol anti-scalding shower valves.
    A recommendations I make to folks who have the luxury include: The auto shut off set ups. A pan with a drain. This last thing is great for washing machines as well.
    Poolmans points are good. the liners on tanks have really gotten shoddy over the years. I know of guys that make all their side money doing tank replacement work. Get something real from a real supply house not a Home Depot special.

  396. Yes, Parker re Sarah Palin, it is a very low bar.

    I like winter. It has its own form of beauty, and I like to cross country ski. I have gone 30 times this winter. I’d be out today, but I have gotten soft in my old age. Zero is too cold.

    Our pipes froze twice this winter, and I stayed home to be sure everything was all right or to keep the space heaters running.We are home tonight for that reason. The last time they froze we had three inches of water in the basement before the plumbers arrived. It took 30 minutes to accumulate, and the plumbers were afraid to enter the basement. I had already taken inventory of electrical sources during our flood, so I waded through the water and pulled an extension cord.

    We have a fifty gallon gas water heater. It malfunctioned ten years ago, and we bought a new one. A plumber told us he could fix the old one and he did. We all expected the heater to die at any time, but it still heats our water with the new heater waiting beside it.

    I don’t know how old our heater is. Maybe fifteen years old. It is like our old video tapes. A University of Nebraska study showed they should last an average of 18 years. Our oldest tapes were made in 1983, and they are still viewable.

  397. I’ve got an amazing water heater, Poolman. I almost hate to get rid of it – the manufacturing date in 34 years old. LOL! Has never caused one problem either.

    The one that concerns me is in the hall closet and services the bathrooms and that one I replace out of paranoia. The old handles the kitchen and the washer. All works out quite well.

    Actually, this is the first house I’ve ever had anything but gas water tanks. But these electric ones work quite well and my utilities have never been more than $300 between gas and electric.

    This one has a recirculation pump. Frankly, I don’t expect to get a damn thing out of it but cost – except peace of mind know a leak happens in the garage below the stem wall.

    It does free up four circuits, though, that I could use.

    After researching this, Tigre, I think you probably made a wise decision. The supposed efficiency couldn’t be paid off in the life of the tankless feature.

    What concerns me is the tank itself is almost 100 ft. away from my bathroom. I don’t know for sure a home recirculation pump can really handle that and stay hot – contrary to the claims.

  398. You have to consider that anything you buy today has a built in life expectancy. They can make things last much longer, but it doesn’t bode well with the model of capitalism we have today. Engineered with the correct cost/value convenience/durability. These things are designed to wear out and be replaced, thus ensuring company sales into the future. It totally goes against my nature.

  399. Well one possible proof that Parker is not Pfesser was the Palin comment. The only thing PF and I agreed on 100% was the bottom of the barrel status of Palin. I assure you PF would even take Obama over Palin.

    But if I’m wrong you boys have to hand it to PF. If he’s masquerading he’s doing a damn fine job. Consistent alternative story line. NEVER bites when you make the accusation. Never even asks “who is this PF?” Some good role playing if that’s what he’s doing.

  400. Sorry gang when you make the attacks on the Obama’s so personal you sound like children. For some of you it’s a habit I’ve grown used to. From some others it’s an unwelcome surprise.

    And for fuck’s sake please stop talking about the Obama’s riches. Do you know how stupid you sound? Every … I repeat EVERY national pol can buy and sell you. They can’t even run if they’re not rich. We have a plutocracy.

    You know who I heard might not run for POTUS cos he’s not wealthy enough? Joe Biden.

  401. You reject criticism of Obama? Hmm. Maybe we’ll have to rethink it.

    Why isn’t PFarker’s lack of interest in addressing questions about his made up nationality not proof that it’s PF masquerading?

  402. Dumb point Gorilla. Every form of ID can be forged so 100% “integrity” is unattainable. A student ID with photo should be legit … unless you’re afraid the student will vote for a Democrat.

    What is sad Gorilla is that your animosity towards liberals is so profound that you’d send us back 50 years. You don’t give a single shit that a legit black, young or elderly voter might be denied their birthright do you?” — R

    First, your dumb ass says this, but then you immediately follow it up with this:
    Since I’m not a fan of solutions in search of a problem I’d like to propose that a non-partisan panel study nation wide voter fraud and quantify the problem once and for all. If the determination is that fraud accounts for 1% of votes then give it a rest.” – R

    So, if only 1% of legit black, young or elderly are affected, really, you should just give it rest. You cannot discount the hundreds of voter fraud cases nationally as too small to care about, and then decry the possibility of a few isolated instances of someone not getting an ID. And where do you draw the line for personal responsibility and…….. oh, that’s right, you don’t believe in personal responsibility………

    Texas, which passed voter id laws, just had its primaries, which had record turnout. Oh snap, so much for THAT.

    Hey Gorilla, since you’re so gung-ho about electoral integrity how do you feel about legislatures carving out districts to guarantee certain results. It’s called gerrymandering. Got a problem with that?
    Nah, didn’t think so.
    ” – R

    Of course I have a problem with that, its called Gerrymandering and the Supreme Court ruled against it a long time ago. But I guess, much like this Regime, ignoring the Supreme Court isn’t such a big deal. But here the fuck do you get off making this comment in the first place? YOUR dumb ass supports the regime and its illegal activities. YOUR dumb ass was in favor of Obamacare and the illegal and unmoral way that it was written and passed. YOUR dumb ass has been in support of the Tyrant’s repeated illegal modifications to the law.

    You, the Obama sycophant, want to lecture me about legal integrity? Go fuck yourself.

  403. The major issue, as I understand it–ET fix me if I’m wrong–is the issue of standing.

    So the GOP in Congress can’t challenge the Regime in its illegal changes to the law because the law doesn’t affect them, so they don’t have standing. EVERYONE knows it is illegal, but there has been a deficit of challenges with standing.

    HOWEVER, there is an Orthodontist that is suing, and it looks like he has standing. This case could really destroy Obama’s constant modifications to the law, and it would reverse EVERYTHING that he’s done.

    I’ve argued for a while that the only way we’re going to get rid of this thing is to make the pain of it real. Obama’s strategy has been to push it far enough own the road that it wouldn’t politically hurt him, and while this may not hurt Obama in the sense of elections, it will crush the Dems.

  404. A thoughtful Scottish Husband was putting his coat and hat on to make his way down to the local pub.

    He turned to his wee wife before leaving and said, ‘ Maggie – put your hat and coat on, lassie.’

    She replied, ‘Awe Jock that’s nice – are you taking me tae the pub with you? ‘

    ‘Nay,’ Jock replied ‘I’m turning the heat off while I’m out.’

  405. Sorry gang when you make the attacks on the Obama’s so personal you sound like children. For some of you it’s a habit I’ve grown used to. From some others it’s an unwelcome surprise.

    Shelly Antoinette deserves everything she gets. I’ve never seen a pol, and Michelle has interjected herself as pol, more hypocritical and loathing. I would shoot baskets with and talk smack with Barack, perhaps getting in a cheap shot or two on a rebound. I honestly can’t stand to look at the entitled bitch with bad attitude he’s married to – or her buddies Valerie and Susan. Three stupid women who have no business being anywhere near helping lead this country. That’s truly is an Obamanation.

  406. I for one have not personally attacked Obama. I have attacked his ideology and his performance. His lying may be a personality trait or it may be a strategy to con the voters. Obama’s lying and demonstrated over weening opinion of his ability to change behaviors by simply talking may be personality flaws but they are irrelevant to anything except his performance in office.

    In that, Obama is lacking. Sarah Palin also has a record. She was a successful governor who worked with both parties. I believe at one time, Palin was one of the most popular governors in the US.

    Its true, she quit in mid -term, but her resignation was mainly the result of Democratic character assasination and a legal vendeda. I think at one time, she faced about twenty charges and law suits. After she quit, they faded as the African and Latin American insurgency movements did after the Soviet Union fell.

    Her judgement of ObamaCare and our foreign policy has proven to be superior to Obama’s. So, I am also sure her judgement in advisers would have been superior to Obama’s. Even as a puppet, Sarah Palin would have been a superior president than Obama.Advisers contribute greatly to the success of a president,

    Palin’s personality is more combative than Obama’s. Power rules diplomacy, and I don’t think she would have been regarded as the weakling Russia sees in Obama.

    Parker and I agreed, that believing Palin would be a good president sets the bar very low, but compared to Obama any of us here could probably squeeze through.

  407. re: tankless heaters. Very common in Aus., largely due to energy costs. Excellent investment if you are going to replace tanks anyway.

    Consider solar pre-heating – you will need a storage tank which will circulate water through roof heaters. You are in Oklahoma, right? Should have lots of hot sun most of the time. It will then feed abt 38-40 degree water to your tankless heater, which will then boost another 4-5 degrees. Very cheap, but even without preheat is very economical.

    Caveat: you will need BIG gas pipe – about 1 to 1-1/4″, or big electrical wire. Pulls lots of current, but only for a few seconds at a time. Still cheaper.

  408. re: ip masquerading. Let’s look at a couple of things, first and final comment:

    1) Rutherford’s blog is based in US

    2) Your NSA basically looks at every packet that traverses any piece of copper or fibre that it can get its hands on – whether domestic or foreign.

    3) The people who inhabit the rest of the world really don’t want your government’s nose up their arses.

    4) Your president and his minion sit, and, over coffee, commit homicide, deciding which person they will send a drone to kill – anywhere on the planet.

    4) Most of the world is afraid of you wild-eyed Yanks and your gunboat diplomacy, always ready to kill somebody or stick your noses in their business. Combine that with the fact that you are so generally uneducated about your own system that even those foreigners (Whoever could that be?) who trained in your country know more about your system than you do. Combine that with the fact that your highest officials break the law each and every day.

    Now, tell me again why someone would go to the through the trouble to masquerade their ip address and alter the posting times when they post an opinion on a US-based blog? Jesus, that’s rich …

  409. “about 1 to 1-1/4″”

    I thought you guys used metric.

    And why are you never in the same room as PF at the same time? :lol:

    What time is there right now Pfarker?

  410. “Well one possible proof that Parker is not Pfesser was the Palin comment. The only thing PF and I agreed on 100% was the bottom of the barrel status of Palin. I assure you PF would even take Obama over Palin.

    But if I’m wrong you boys have to hand it to PF. If he’s masquerading he’s doing a damn fine job. Consistent alternative story line. NEVER bites when you make the accusation. Never even asks “who is this PF?” Some good role playing if that’s what he’s doing.”

  411. I just learned why Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons. The Clinton administration signed a guarantee that if Ukraine was endangered, we would help them if they relinquished their nuclear weapons. Does this mean we should defend Ukraine or expose ourselfes as liars.

    The Budapest Memorendum was signed in 1994. Did any of those people consider the reality of diplomatic life instead of the substance? What about the Budapest Memorendum? Our reputation is on the line.

    Why did our leaders not understand what could happen? Why were Romney and Palin mocked when they spoke the truth? Why did those people know so little about the world that folks like me understood better than they about the implication of the Ukrainian protest movement?

    Parker’s agreeing that even Palin would be a better president than Obama proves nothing. The depths to which our pretender has sunk could convince even Pfessor that the president and his allies are worse than useless.

  412. ” I reject personal attacks and I find them childish.”

    Oh. Yes. Right. I should’ve remembered that from your comments about Palin, Romney, his wife. . .

  413. The Budapest Memorandum isn’t a security agreement, and I don’t see anything in it that even implies a security agreement.

  414. I don’t consider it a personal attack when it is based on a tweet going out over the official twitter account. That makes it fair game, sport.

    I also guess you missed the part where it was just as much about people believing their bullshit.

    But then, since you’re one of them, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

  415. Here’s a link to the actual language in the Budapest Memorandum

    It says, in several places, that countries agree to keep their hands off Ukraine. The only clause that mentions what will happen if someone doesn’t, is #4, and it says the issue will go to the UN Security Council…which, of course, Russia has a veto vote in.

    And I don’t think this is even an actual binding treaty, as I can’t find anything about it being ratified by congress.

    The memorandum is a part of this UN document…Unilateral Security Assurances by Nuclear-Weapon States.

  416. Tigre why does a smart man like you talk so stupid? Please quote me where I said anything close to “Ann Romney should have rings around her neck and carry jugs on head”.

    I’m looking forward to your evidence of my personal attack on either Romney.

  417. And so what if he scratched the Romney references? What would you have to say then?

    You’ve gleefully spewed the most vile things about Palin, so stow your holier than thou bullshit. You’re no better than the rest of us.

  418. “Ann Romney should have rings around her neck and carry jugs on head”.

    Oh, I’m sorry, Saint Rutherford. With you, MSNBC and your yuck yucks of Ann Romney’s having therapy horses for her MS, I got confused in your presence.

    Michelle Obama is clearly an angry, entitled hypocrite of biblical proportions and whitey hater.

  419. R, I’m not inclined to look. I obviously don’t have access to your “radio program” where you and Sandi would sit around and compare notes on MSNBC. I don’t have the ability (that I know of) to search your tweets. In fact, I can’t even see where you discussed Ann Romney appearance and speech during the debate cycle though I know you discussed it and didn’t spend your time flattering Ann.

    So, if you’ll do this, I’ll let you can say “gotcha.”

    Tell all of us you’ve said nothing pejorative on a personal level about:

    1. Palin (yes or no).

    2. Mitt Romney (yes or no)

    3. Ann Romney (yeas or no)

    I’ll accept your answer but not by some comparison to what Tex said or limited to where you said it. Just tell us — truthfully. Your MSNBC “friends” went to town and I am certain you followed their lead because you always do. But if you’ll say you never did, I’ll accept it.

    Although I did not say Ol’ Onion Booty should have rings and carry jugs, I loather her. She is a fucking disgrace. As this country has suffered and continues to suffer due in large part to the economic policies her dumb shit husband and his party have pursued, she conspicuously enjoys a lavish lifestyle. No restraint. It’s gross.

  420. sI don’t know if the Budapest Memorandum was ratified by Congress or not. Betsy’s Page quotes the pertinent section.
    “The United States of America, The Russian Federation, The United Kingdom of Great Britain, and Northern Ireland reafirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political or territorial integrity politicall independence y of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self -defense or otherwise in accordance with the Carter of the United Nations.”

    Russia has of course, broken its word, but we are better than the Russians aren’t we? This agreement was written to influence Ukrainian behavior. We were all lying with the moral values of a man selling jewelry from the trunk of his car? Do our leaders even think of long-term implications of agreements they write and sign?

    Diplomacy is the art of war without weapons. If the world no longer trusts I’m not suggesting we go to war, because the Russians do have some legitimate claims from their viewpoint, but we owe the Ukrainians more help than some pretty words. We will be negotiating other agreements in the future. If our word is proven to be no good, why should other countries trust us or each other?

  421. I didn’t know until this crisis emerged that many Ukrainians and Russians live in the Omaha area. They have been calling talk shows and giving their prospective. It confirms what I have been reading during the past year or so. A friend told me increasing numbers are taking traditional Hispanic jobs in meat packing plants in Sioux City and surrounding smaller towns.

    A radical feminist organization called Femen is setting up branches in other countries including the US.

    Some parts of Ukraine have a shortage of men and the women are looking for husbands. They like rich Americans and western Europeans. The result is a thriving marriage brokerage businesses. Odessa is one the major cities where men travel to look for wives or girl friends.l think Femen has demonstrated against the businesses.

  422. Man, is there anything more vulgar then a president usurping Congress and ruling by fiat for the sake of manipulating elections?

    I would still object if Obama was doing this to fix how the bad law is hurting people….But, it’s not even like that. He’s not fixing things. He’s delaying things with a simple goal to smother the democracy.

    The crux of entire system rests on the voter being able to express pleasure or disdain for legislation at the polls. It means everything.

    Obama has de facto dissolved the Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

    This is not how its supposed to work. And I swear to God I would not stand for it if it was advantageous to a political party I happened to support.

    “Do something about it” says Rutherford.

    You taunting your fellow citizen, Rutherford?

    Your real name is well known. Since you are part of the problem, does it ever concern you that some silent lurker might take you up on your challenge? Someone with nothing to lose, a delusion of grandeur and an urge to refresh the tree of liberty with the blood of a tyrant?

    You play a dangerous game as of late, friend.

    Policy, ideology, statistics, history, constitutional law, morality and political science are really no longer a part of your equation…..force and and blind loyalty is all you have. What if someone on the other side of the aisle sees things the same way?

  423. “A crisis that no one anticipated… Well, no one but that idiot Palin.”

    “The 80’s called, they want their smug lefty idiot Columbia undergrad back.”

    -IH

  424. ““The United States of America, The Russian Federation, The United Kingdom of Great Britain, and Northern Ireland reafirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political or territorial integrity politicall independence y of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self -defense or otherwise in accordance with the Carter of the United Nations.””

    This is certainly pertinent to what Russia has done, but it does not speak to any kind of reaction to it.

    That is found here:

    The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.”

    And to some extent here:

    “The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will consult in the event a situation arises which raises a question concerning these commitments.”

    Translation: The all agree not to mess with Ukraine. If someone does, they agree to take the issue to the UNSC…and to talk about it.

    This agreement is about what countries agree NOT to do more than it is an agreement about what countries WILL do. We have not broken any agreement with Ukraine, because we have not used political, military, or economic force against Ukraine. Russia cannot say the same. But what makes this whole agreement worthless is that the only implied enforcement mechanism comes in the form of the Security Council…which Russia will never allow to happen.

    This agreement isn’t worth the paper it was written on, because who besides Russia was ever going to mess with the Ukraine?

  425. “But, it’s not even like that. He’s not fixing things. He’s delaying things”

    Obama’s idea of fixing things amounts to putting a piece of tape over the Check Engine light.

  426. “Policy, ideology, statistics, history, constitutional law, morality and political science are really no longer a part of your equation”

    There isn’t an app for that.

  427. Another unconstitutional delay coming.

    Obama is going to again delay the mandate on what insurance policies must cover. This was already delayed once, but it seems someone forgot that cancellation notices must go out 90 days before, which would have put those letters in mailboxes in October. Can’t have that so soon to an election.

    The Delayer-in-Chief didn’t give any word on just how this delay will fix the problem. Those cancellations are still going to happen.

    Do something about, bitches…

  428. The memorandum was a lie when it was written for reasons Hudk mentioned,, but we signed it. The Ukrainians expect us to honor our part of the bargain. Why would any country sign away an advantage for lies? Ukraine had a reasonable expectation that we would help them during a challenge like this.

    Kerry promised about a billion dollars in aid, I think. It is the least we can do.

    Putin has backed off a bit, because he has proven he can do almost anything he wants without important resistance. And, he may still get Crimea which is mainly Russian.

  429. “The Ukrainians expect us to honor our part of the bargain.”

    Again..we’ve done that. We haven’t touched Ukraine, the UNSC has met, and Obama called Putin to talk about it.

    That’s all we signed up to do.

    “Ukraine had a reasonable expectation that we would help them during a challenge like this.”

    Based on what?

  430. Did you guys hear President Obama today?

    “Um…..err……I know President Putin seems to have a different set of lawyers with..uhhhh…mmmm…with a different set of interpretations”.

    LOL.

    What does that mean?

    Wow.

    Seriously…..at least Horseface as a little passion.

    I actually think Kerry has been pretty good during this thing.

    Obama is almost trying to make Putin’s case for him!

  431. Putin hasn’t backed off at all. The geezers from my family are saying there is troop movements on the Polish and Lithuanian borders.

    Putin has no need to talk smack. He can personally mellow a bit while he ramps it up in the Black Sea. He is just waiting for…..well….as Obama told him….his lawyers can interpret things in his favor.

    The Black Sea is turning into a naval powder keg.

    And what’s with this bull shit by libs saying conservatives are rooting for Putin? Fuck off!

  432. Throwing a billion dollars at Ukraine, the most corrupt country outside of maybe Moldova, presents a whole host of new problems.

    President Rabbit would be setting up the missile defense system in Poland and personally cutting the red tape for the grand opening, with much fanfare.

    Ukraine is lost, boys. But Putin played his card. No more pretending anymore. Romney and Palin were correct. Obama wrong. Time to move forward.

    And Huck is correct.

    NATO needs to get Ronald Reagan on motherfuckers now. Its all about NATO at this point.

  433. “Um…..err……I know President Putin seems to have a different set of lawyers with..uhhhh…mmmm…with a different set of interpretations”

    Pot, meet kettle….

  434. “And why are you never in the same room as PF at the same time? :lol:

    Was that a joke? If not, what exactly would that “room” be? My guess is that I can count on two hands the number of times that two of us posted a comment with an identical time stamp (which is what being in the “same room” would be). At that rate any one of us could be any other of us.

    Maybe I’m you. :-)

  435. “Michelle Obama is clearly an angry, entitled hypocrite … ”

    Now we’re getting somewhere. Whitey hater is hyperbole but fine.

    As for Ann and the therapeutic horses. Don’t you agree that riding around the ranch for your MS is less fodder for rich-bashing than dressage at the Olympics? If Michelle fills the whitey-hater caricature then surely Mitt and Ann fill the “you’ll never be as rich as we” caricature.

  436. Now Tigre I do have to say my answer depends on what “personal” means. Sarah Palin- yes I cannot stand her. I have called her names. I have obsessed.

    Mitt–if saying he is stiff and talks himself into trouble frequently is a personal attack then ok guilty as charged.

    Ann- I’ve observed that she seems like a very angry woman to me. Personal? Fine.

    Your move counselor.

  437. Oh could you explain this lavish lifestyle that Michelle has? And do compare the behavior to that of other First Ladies.

    I might add that while the President’s numbers tumble, Michelle’s remain quite high. So I’d have to imagine her behavior is not as off putting to most as it is to you Tigre.

  438. Good God Rabbit you’re starting to sound like Pfesser. You gonna call the FBI on me? You know damn well that “do something” was a call to action to the two other branches of government. Not to some nutjob.

    I also don’t get your premise. Folks who don’t like Obamacare will vote differently depending on when the law goes into effect? If they didn’t like the law in 2012 they should have voted in the man who promised to kill it, Mitt Romney. If they don’t like it now they should vote the Dem Senate out in November.

    The power of the vote, if there really is any, has not been diminished in the least.

  439. Nope I’m not hearing anything about conservatives rootin’ for Putin. I’m hearing conservatives rooting for military intervention sooner than later.

    Leave it to Obama to not get through two terms without firing up the Cold War again. Liberal pundits say he’s a very lucky man. I beg to differ.

  440. Oh could you explain this lavish lifestyle that Michelle has? And do compare the behavior to that of other First Ladies.” — R

    Michelle My-Bell has done 71 TV appearances since Mom-Pant’s Coronation.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2349292/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

    Of course, we might point out the $12,000 dress….

    The trips to Aspen….

    The separate Air Force jet to Martha’s Vineyard so she could get there a whopping 4 hours earlier….

    The extended vacations in Hawaii….

    Remember date night in New York city?

    Really, need I continue? You mean to tell me that Mr. Community Organizer and “servant of the people” had enough coin for this kind of lifestyle? I have not even once mentioned the constant White House parties and concerts, the grab-assing with celebrities, the sports venues, etc, etc, etc, etc.

    Please R, everything that Obama preaches against, he practices himself. These are the most entitled, spoiled and arrogant hypocrites this nation as ever seen.

    Fact. (Well, Kennedy’s could give them a run for their money)

  441. Oh please STOP with the “Romney and Palin”. If Mitt heard you put their names in the same sentence he’d punch you in the face.

    Palin is a dolt and you’re a dolt to keep bringing her up.

  442. “Your move counselor.”

    You made my move for me — and delivered a check mate in the process. :roll:

  443. G nice to see you throw in Kennedy. Yeah Bush 43 lived like a pauper. Give me a break. What’s lavish about appearing on TV? And Obama is a millionaire based on book sales alone.

    Show me the recent POTUS who has behaved like our current Pope, conspicuously rejecting perks of office and I’ll be impressed with your argument.

    You can’t.

  444. Obama’s weakness has made Putin relevant. Strike up the Motherland tune.

    Saying “I told you so…” still leaves me feeling pretty hollow. President Feckless/Cluesless/Neville Chamberlain.

    Country is in the best of hands.

    I’m Lebron. I got game. ~ Candidate Barack Obama, 2008

  445. “Folks who don’t like Obamacare will vote differently depending on when the law goes into effect? If they didn’t like the law in 2012 they should have voted in the man who promised to kill it, Mitt Romney. If they don’t like it now they should vote the Dem Senate out in November.” -R

    Dude…..people don’t understand the law. The whole thing was purposely clandestine from the start. Remember?

    That might be dumbest shit I’ve ever seen you write.

    WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY DELAYING IT??????????????

    You are straight up dishonest. Impossible. Seriously.

    People will understand how Obamacare fucks them when Obamacare fucks them. And you know that. As does your piece of garbage in office.

    Asshole.

  446. “Good God Rabbit you’re starting to sound like Pfesser. You gonna call the FBI on me?”

    That hurt. For real.

  447. I’d be curious if the alleged billion in aid would be used for the billion plus Gazprom debt Ukraine has on the books.

    As for the Black Sea,The Black Sea Fleet is a regional bully stick. From a naval strength perspective the two straits (Bosporus and Dardenelles) it would need to travel to enter the Med make it little more. In the region the BSF is meant to help Putin get his wood on.

    International blackeyes secondary to voting to censure Russia from G8 is something to behold. Military action is not indicated. Hamiltonian/trade actions would be. Interesting players in this scenario would include Turkey and Germany.

    Trade politics are coming very much on line again in my opinion. The SCO types (China & Russia) vs the USA & EU. Treaties,resources and regional tension makes this ’14 echo the last one.

  448. “Treaties,resources and regional tension makes this ’14 echo the last one.”

    God, that would suck.

    Complete morons at the helm then as of now too.

    Does Ukraine have military alliances with individual NATO countries?

  449. Well, well, well. First Russia raises her ugly side, and now China and Russia begin the loose alliance. All the chess pieces are aligning nicely into place.

    Gog, Magog, Meshech, Tubal, and Rosh. Radical Islam in conjunction with 200,000,000 man marching armies, marching down a dry Tigris river – thank you, Saddam. Ironically, all allied against Israel in some shape, form or fashion.

    Still think Armageddon a myth, Rutherford?

  450. So G tell me, how do you know how much of what the Obama’s do for leisure is on our dime? And how do you know this about Bush for that matter? You review the expense reports?

    G when it comes to who foots the Obama leisure bills you don’t know shit.

  451. Tex when did I ever say Armageddon was a myth? Quite frankly I’m amazed we haven’t already fried the planet in radiation. Too many folks, some downright unstable, have nukes. How we haven’t had an incident in 70 years is beyond me.

  452. You know Obama MUST be special. On the one hand he is a domestic despot and tyrant but on the international scene, he’s a wimpy boob.

    All that in one package.

  453. I saw an analyst on Face the Nation Sunday who said the variety of economic sanctions at our disposal will likely keep Putin in check despite any Russian bluster.