The Bill Moyers Suicide Pill

December 14, 2013 at 6:32 am 582 comments

I have a running joke with myself (and those few who share my sense of humor) about the perfect selections for hold music on a suicide hotline. Just the notion of being put on hold on a suicide hotline makes me chuckle. In any case, I settled on such gems as “Dust in the Wind”, “Alone Again, Naturally” and “Don’t Fear the Reaper”. In recent months, however, I have discovered another resource not part of my sick imagination but very real that the clinically depressed should steer clear of. It is the PBS series “Moyers and Company“.

Bill Moyers, a participant in and observer of Washington since the days of LBJ is every liberal’s dream documentary host. He wears his heart on his sleeve as he shines a light on various flavors of American injustice. I enjoy him. I find him intelligent and genuinely curious about the world around him. When you watch him interview a guest, you get the feeling he is learning something new right along with you. The problem with “Moyers and Company” is it is long on problems and rather short on solutions. At the conclusion of each installment I find myself shaking my head in despair. Just a sample of episode titles is enough to send you to a shrink: “America’s Political Breakdown”, “How Dollarocracy is Destroying America”, “Zombie Politics and Casino Capitalism” and the recent rebroadcast of “America’s Gilded Capital”.

In “America’s Gilded Capital”, Moyers interviews Mark Leibovich, the author of the Washington expose This Town. In the book (which I haven’t read) and the interview (which I did watch) Leibovich describes a Washington D.C. dedicated to job security. On every Congressman and Senator’s mind is first and foremost how to turn their time in government into some type of permanent gig, whether it be in government via reelection or outside of government in the private sector. The favorite private sector pastime of our elected officials is lobbying. Obama swore he would stop the “revolving door” of folks moving back and forth between government and lobbying firms, but his frequent exceptions have made the promise null and void. Leibovich describes a conversation he had with then Democratic  Senator Chris Dodd who insisted he would never join a lobbying firm but ended up heading up the MPAA which has a strong lobbying entity. Then there is the story of Evan Bayh who left the Senate fed up with Washington dysfunction only to whore himself out to the Chamber of Commerce. And if you thought bipartisanship in D.C. was dead, think again. It breathes deep where there is money to be made, case in point liberal pundit Steve McMahon of MSNBC and conservative mouthpiece Alex Castellanos of CNN who together worked for a company called Purple Strategies and made lots of money helping BP repair its reputation after the infamous oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

This installment ended the way most episodes of “Moyers” end. This is just the way it is but we’ve done you a service by telling you about it.  Word to the wise, watch this show with a stiff drink in one hand and a bottle of Prozac in the other.

POSTSCRIPT

A few random thoughts: Some of my more loyal readers who disagree with everything I write had some fun with an old post of mine recently. The post was from 2008 and was entitled “America Says Enough”. It was written in the immediate afterglow of  Barack Obama’s election. The RL Blog “regulars” have had some fun mocking the piece in light of the 20/20 hindsight that shows Obama to be a bit in over his head, as demonstrated by his inability to shake off scandals, real and imagined, that have plagued him. Clearly the most recent example of gross incompetence is the botched technical roll-out of the ACA. Add to that the used car salesman rhetoric of “keeping your insurance and your doctor if you want to” and you have a beleaguered presidency that penetrates even the most rose-colored glasses.

With that said, I don’t take back a single word of what I wrote back in 2008. Back then Obama was a blank canvas upon which the right and left painted their worst nightmares and highest hopes respectively. But one thing I wrote in particular will never be sullied by Obama’s lackluster performance:

I can now look at my beautiful black daughter and tell her that she can be anything she wants to be, without exception, without caveat.

It cannot be underestimated just how many blacks like me never thought a dark-skinned man would be elected President in our lifetime. As much as I loved my country, I felt there were barriers that would not be breached for years, if not decades, to come. For anyone not to understand the emotion attached to seeing this barrier broken is to not understand the human condition.  As moved as I was back then, I still felt that if Barack Obama had been Barry Johnson, great-grandson of slaves, he would not have been nominated much less elected. The very exotic nature of Obama (which has ironically fueled the birther movement) made him acceptable to those who might otherwise have dismissed him. Nevertheless the cosmetics of this half-white, half-first-generation-American of immediate African descent, evoked a visceral reaction in many, including me, and I don’t apologize for it.

Cosmetics do not a great President make. With a four-year record to look back on, I wrote a very different piece in November of 2012. In my piece “Three Open Letters”, I offer the President advice rooted in the reality of his reelection and the imperfections of his administration. The piece in 2008 and the piece in 2012 were informed by the facts on the ground at that time and the accompanying emotions. I stand by both pieces.

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What I know about the problems in the Ukraine could fill not much more than this sentence but just on the surface, it is interesting to see a country whose leadership looks to “the dark side” (Russia) while its citizens want to align with the West. I’m just throwing darts here but could it be that social media and the democratization of information access makes it harder for a government to sell its agenda to its people?

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On Thursday’s installment of “The Daily Show”, Jon Stewart once again proves why he deserves every cent he earns. His take-down of Fox News’ war on Christmas coverage is classic in its humor and its truth. The Fox News coverage is so absurd that it is all Stewart can do to fit all the insanity into one segment. The ten minute segment can be found here and here and is worth a view.

Two unsettling things that Fox’s Megyn Kelly should remember: Santa Claus as we currently celebrate him, is neither white nor black — he doesn’t exist. Second, as Jon says, Jesus wasn’t born in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Jesus looked more like Mohamed Atta than a latter-day version of the Door’s Jim Morrison.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  • 1. dead rabbit  |  December 14, 2013 at 8:19 am

    The election of a black president rang hollow for me because

    1. I knew most Americans love “proving” that they are not racist. Even some of the racists.

    2. Obama’s resume was pathetic. Your “incompetence as a defense” angle doesn’t get you off the hook for exactly that reason. A first time Senator with not one accomplishment other then his party puppet masters fawned over the fact he was a well “spoken negro”. Their words not mine.

    Cult of personality weirdness.

    Look at what it leads to. Karl Rove might be a partisan hater, but he is correct. Convincing people to join the California exchange on Obama’s celebrity alone is creepy as it is hollow.

    Think about it for a minute. They took a Snoop Dog song famous for its Crip gang references and had Obama impersonator do the remix. Cringe worthy on so many levels.

    At the tale end of Nero’s reign, he humiliated himself by singing to the Roman legions marching South to remove his ass. He was accompanied by thousands of prostitutes.

    Rutherford, ask yourself, are you one of those prostitutes?

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vKlOl8LHdAU

  • 2. Tex Taylor  |  December 14, 2013 at 10:51 am

    At the tale end of Nero’s reign, he humiliated himself by singing to the Roman legions marching South to remove his ass. He was accompanied by thousands of prostitutes.
    :lol:

    2008 can be excused. John McCain, a man I’ve grown to detest on par with Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, was a weak candidate and I now believe, a deceitful man. Frankly in retrospect, the Republican Party deserved to be clobbered for not providing a better candidate.

    Anybody that voted for a very obvious failed Barack Obama in 2012 is either monumentally stupid and misinformed, vacuous and amoeba like, or an ideological drone on the scale of the inbred at Fat Grannies he pulls the ‘D’ lever because it is all they know. There was and still is no real comparison in intellect, leadership, qualification. Mitt Romney was infinitely more qualified, as were the people Romney would have brought in.

    Could Romney have fixed what ails us? Unknown. There are now so many dependents in America, I’m not sure anybody short of Jesus could fix America. But I honestly do believe Romney recognized what the problem was.

    When Rutherford attacks Mitt Romney’s qualifications, it demonstrates two things: (1) Rutherford has little understand of what really makes this country go; (2) Rutherford is a textbook example of classic reactionary, progressive politic. There is no substance to the ideas based on nothing but emotion.

    President Barack Moyers…he doesn’t have any solutions either. But he talks a great game if you’re a lefty.

    Barack Obama’s biggest weakness isn’t that he is simply in over his head. The people around him are equally weak. The entire Obama team is defective.

    All Barack Obama and Co. know how to do is manipulate the masses to get reelected. Barack only knows how to campaign.

  • 3. El Tigre  |  December 14, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Oh, to be accused of hating blacks by those who refuse to judge Obama because of his race. . .

    I suspect the predictable lack of accomplishment will outweigh the symbolism when your daughter is mature.

    I still marvel that you don’t find yourself angered by the false image your were sold. Obama and his followers certainly haven’t helped the black community or race relations. Quite the opposite.

    And you’d vote for him again if you could.

  • 4. muffy  |  December 14, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    A new thread! Outstanding!

    I wish the “War on __________” rhetoric would cease. It’s lame. What I want to know is just exactly how much time does Jon Stewart spend talking about Fox?

    As boring as overrated as Stewart is – there were a couple of items from the 2008 RL Blog post that Jon could have goofed on, such as –

    “After 100′s of years on the wrong road, we finally said enough.”

    OK, what?

    And this –

    “We also are turning to him to fix our self esteem.”

    OK, wwwwhat??

  • 5. poolman  |  December 14, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    There is no political solution. Watching this country in its final throes IS depressing. If Moyers can’t find the silver lining, it simply just may not exist. And yes, suicide statistics are way up, especially among those who have taken an oath to defend this once noble land. Folks are grasping in desperation for valid reasons to continue the uphill fight.

    I would have never voted McCain. By putting McCain up as candidate, the GOP was assured a loss. He is as treasonous as they get, Now, it seems, Obama occupies the same treasonous camp. They serve the same mammon god. Would Rmoney have been better? We can only speculate. His masters are not any different. It is our destiny.

    We’ve reached a tipping point and going back is not an option. But, as in the days of Noah, most folks won’t notice, as long as they can still watch their big screens and eat their happy meals.

    Now that the Snowden drama has proved to be no more than theater, probably staged to provide CISPA that needed boost to become law. Even as demarcation lines blur and power shifts, expect any remaining liberties to be struck down with the latest version of the NDAA. We may not have this virtual community to enjoy for much longer.

    As always, the battle is the Lord’s. Suit up!

  • 6. James  |  December 14, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    I wasn’t here in 2008, so I can’t really say “i told you so” but I could if I wanted to be snarky. Everything we needed to know about Obama was available. Unfortunately, the media was too smitten or lazy to tell us.

    Yes, Obama’s election proves your beautiful black daughter could one day be president.If she is anything like you, she could do a better job now then he does.

    One more thing about Ukraine which might be relevant to us is its underground economy. No one really knows how much average Ukrainians earn, because they operate under the table. Conventional jobs don’t pay enough for the middle class society Ukrainians aspire to.They live better than they should. One joke is “how many Ukrainians fit into a Ford?” Many use the family car for informal cab service.

    An aquaintance met two Ukrainian sisters who illegally accumulated the equivalent of $200,000 by evading taxes through mis- information and undocumented jobs..They smuggled it to the US and moved here.

    So many Ukrainians have moved to Britain one blogger calls them blond Mexicans.

    The good – looking, intelligent upwardly mobile women contributes to a thriving sex trade.

    Four generations to a household is not uncommon. Pensions are too small to support many old people, and wages are too low for the younger generation, so they live together to maintain themselves. Many families have summer homes in the country where they raise large gardens to supply food for the winter.

    Ukrainians value education. A blogger described a four generation household he knows.The grand parents and parents have MA degrees,and the great grand son is preparing for college.

    They have good doctors, but someone said “if you have to go to a hospital, you should be dead first.”

    Ukraine is noted for its beautiful women. Though they have fast food etc, women are so overworked and do so much walking they stay slim. Mila Kunis formerly of “That Seventies Show” is a Ukrainian Jew. They moved to America because of anti-semetic discrimination.

    Google Vika I am not Alone on YouTube video to get an impression of Ukrainian pop music She interrupted her career to finish her MA degree.. Google Ukrainian X Factor- I will always love you YouTube video. You will see someone sing the song almost as well as Whitney Houston did, and you will see the drama of her teary mother back stage.,

    One Direction what makes you beautiful ( ukrainian cover) YouTube video shows Ukrainian teenagers and city streets.

    The Ukrainians I have met are good people coping with a poor deck of cards. I also imagine the US following their path if our present tragectory continues.

  • 7. Huck  |  December 14, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    “This is just the way it is but we’ve done you a service by telling you about it.”

    Which is exactly what it should do.

    Commentary is about giving opinions and “solutions.” Documentaries are about informing.

    “Jesus looked more like Mohamed Atta…”

    Atta’s (an Egyptian, so this comparison is pointless, for starters) skin is white. Most people who hail from the region of Palestine (and I’m not calling Jesus a Palestinian, so don’t even go there) have white skin.

    “Santa Claus as we currently celebrate him, is neither white nor black — he doesn’t exist.”

    The Easter Bunny doesn’t exist, either. That doesn’t make him a fish, though, does it?

  • 8. El Tigre  |  December 14, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Saint Nick existed.

    Turns out he was Jamaican.

  • 9. dead rabbit  |  December 14, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    “Atta’s (an Egyptian, so this comparison is pointless, for starters) skin is white. Most people who hail from the region of Palestine (and I’m not calling Jesus a Palestinian, so don’t even go there) have white skin.” -Huck

    Yeah they are white. And so was Jesus. I think its safe to presume Jesus would have looked like any Assyrian/Chaldean walking Earth today. And those people look like Arabs. So…
    Atta’s skin tone and hair wouldn’t be that far off from Jesus, would it?

    Atta really isn’t Egyptian ethnically. He’s an Arab. The Copts would be true Egyptian (if we assume they aren’t actually Greeks!) although I have no idea if they have any physical traits different from Arabs.

  • 10. dead rabbit  |  December 14, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    “The Easter Bunny doesn’t exist, either. That doesn’t make him a fish, though, does it?”

    Ha ha…..good point.

    Blackula at least had the decency to differentiate himself from Vlad the Impaler.

    I would say that maybe some of the elves are black but I’m guessing most are either Mexican and Vietnamese.

    I know those crappy hand made wood toys that adults always like more then kids are made by Amish elves.

  • 11. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    “And you’d vote for him again if you could.”

    Yup you keep offering up awkward boobs like Romney and I’ll keep voting for Obama.

    Give me a fucking alternative Tigre or STFU.

  • 12. El Tigre  |  December 14, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Point made.

  • 13. El Tigre  |  December 14, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    The qualities you vote for are why you can’t be taken seriously when you talk of any epiphanies, R.

    The biggest boob on the planet is your worthless faker, Obama.

  • 14. El Tigre  |  December 14, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Let us know when you get past your identity politics and want to talk about policy and Obama’s accomplishments. Otherwise this is a wasted effort. You care not about the outcome, only the shallowest of appearance.

  • 15. dead rabbit  |  December 14, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Romney was an alternative. Rutherford knows it.

    Of course Romney was a bully that time in high-school and was mean to his dog….can’t forget the lady he killed with cancer.

    Obama and moron followers like Rutherford represent two sides of the same coin. Until the taker class and the college campus liberals prone to emotional demagoguery are defeated at the polls, including Congress, we are fucked. News Flash, I know.

  • 16. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Let remind you Tigre–the GOP wanted ANYONE but Romney to be the candidate. Romney hit the jackpot by running against a clown car. Among this bunch of loonies Romney looked fantastic.

    I’m currently reading Double Down the sequel to the Halperin/Heilemann book Game Change (yes I know–full of lies). It was bizarre how one by one each credible candidate dropped out: Jeb Bush, Haley Barbour, Mitch Daniels and Mike Huckabee to name a few. That left us with the likes of Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry and Herman Cain. The only half way credible candidate left was Romney.

    This won’t happen again in 2016. At least I doubt it. You’re gonna see serious GOP candidates who don’t make fools of themselves–Jeb, Christie, Rubio, Paul. If you lost that election then you can complain about how f’d up America is. The GOP didn’t even try to win the presidency in 2012.

    On the other hand, even a poor candidate like Romney suffered a narrow loss. Just think how happy you’d be right now if your party ran a strong candidate?

  • 17. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Tex writes “reactionary progressives”. Ehhhhh isn’t that an oxymoron?

  • 18. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Muffy your memory of 2008 must be faulty.

    “After 100′s of years on the wrong road, we finally said enough.”

    100s of years of virulent racism that absolutely ruled out a black President.

    “We also are turning to him to fix our self esteem.”

    We were at a new low in 2008. Financially broke, disdained by much of the world for a war fought under false pretenses and practices considered unAmerican (Gitmo, torture). Many expected Obama to turn this around.

    As it turns out he doubled down on some of it.

  • 19. El Tigre  |  December 14, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    “Let remind you Tigre–the GOP wanted ANYONE but Romney to be the candidate.”

    They didn’t want Obama.

    I didn’t have problem with Romney other than his electability. He has enough sense to do what Obama and the idiots that empower did to retain power. Your dislike of him was all about bandwagon, identity politics and you know it.

    The slow motion train wreck was foreseeable R. Your belief in tired caricatures and rhetoric makes you a sucka. You could’ve supported another dem — any dem — hell, any independent like Paul whom you claimed to support out of convenience, and didn’t.

    Time for you to shift gears back to your man’s policy and personal failures to keep them from continuing. Even in sports the cheerleading stops at he end of the game.

  • 20. Alfie  |  December 14, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    R you are killing me! I can’t believe you offer the trio of posts you do and all the other facts and still tell ET you vote Obama.
    I also can’t believe you remain so Confused and clueless on what is or isn’t a credible GOP candidate

  • 21. James  |  December 14, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    “Reationary progressive” is not an oxymoron if such a person wants to revert to the past as a reaction to new conditions. Obama and his allies choose past socialism and FDR solutions though they are proven unworkable. “Reactionary” applies to any ideology.

    Santa’s flying reindeer may have a Sami origin. Shamen contact the spirits and ancestors by joiking for maybe eight or ten hours while they take consciousness enhancing mushrooms. Over time, some experience the equivalent of epileptic seizures and they halucinate. A common sight is flying reindeer entering and leaving the lodge smoke hole. A Scandinavian writer credits high Sami for Santa’s flying reindeer.

    I don’t know if its true or not, regarding Rudolph and his crew But imagining them as the product of a religious drug high amuses me.

  • 22. James  |  December 14, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Given what we know of Obama, one should have voted for anyone except him, even Dick Clark. McCain for all of his faults would not taken us down this road.

    I think Romney would have won the election if the voters had known how he lied about Benghazi and especially ObamaCare.The press ignored the rot because they were Obamaites. I blame the press for our president, and I hope they suffer greatly when impartial historians record this era.

  • 23. poolman  |  December 14, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    If the GOP and the media would have gotten behind Ron Paul, he would have been elected. Truth is, both sides are afraid of giving anything back to the people born of this land. Now the elected are filling the ranks of rule with their dual citizen cronies and pretend partisan widgets while grasping as much goodies as they can, stealing the future sweat of our grandchildren’s children. It’s sickening, a fucking cancer and its name is all in beastly caps.

  • 24. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    “Most people who hail from the region of Palestine (and I’m not calling Jesus a Palestinian, so don’t even go there) have white skin.”

    Yasser Arafat hardly looked white. Most educated people acknowledge that Jesus did not resemble John Lennon despite all the paintings of him as a long haired bearded hippie white guy.

    In the same vein, Stewart showed a simulation of what Saint Nick might really have looked like and it wasn’t a white guy.

    But all that is really beside the point. The point is the absurdity of Fox making a big deal out of it. Only the most bullheaded conservative could not see the humor in Stewarts segment.

    Among the gems was the observation about what audience Megyn was talking to. It would be a child sophisticated enough to be watching Fox at night yet innocent enough to believe in Santa yet racist enough that they’d be horrified he could possibly be black. That was hilarious.

    By the way before I even watched the segment I said to my wife that Santa had to be white because no one would tolerate a black man coming down their chimney in the middle of the night.

  • 25. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    “Until the taker class …”

    You know Rabbit I’m so sick of this rhetoric coming from you. When you were living in your car you were completely off Romney’s radar.

    When you lost your home Romney assumed you were a lazy ass motherfucker.

    I’m not saying you should be a Democrat but for goodness sake stop the taker/maker bullshit.

  • 26. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    “You could’ve supported another dem — any dem”

    Again you conveniently forget what I’ve said in these very threads. I WANTED Obama to be primaried. I was upset that he wasn’t.

    You discard this fact because it doesn’t fit your caricature of me.

  • 27. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    As for Ron Paul weren’t you Tigre among the many lambasting Poolman for throwing his vote away on someone who couldn’t win?

    Puhleeze.

  • 28. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Alfie I can’t help but think your hometown affinity for Romney blinds you to his weaknesses. I don’t think I’ve ever read a critical word about him from you.

    This cannot be said of me and Obama.

  • 29. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    James I think it possible that the keep your doctor lie might have lost Obama the election. Benghazi, not so much.

  • 30. muffy  |  December 14, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    “100s of years of virulent racism that absolutely ruled out a black President.”

    I guess I don’t see all the dazzling choices that our virulent racism caused us to reject on the basis of skin color for all these years.

    Anyway – long road yes, but not the wrong road.

    Does anyone really care what those MOST fooled by Obama think of the others in the race then, now, or in the future. I don’t.

  • 31. Tex Taylor  |  December 14, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Rutherford, the real absurdity is that most blacks, you included, can’t get past the prism of seeing everything black and white – no pun intended. You seek out ways to be offended and play victim because frankly, the black history checkered at best and on a level playing field, short of the NBA and the NFL, you come in a distant second.

    Africa may have been adopted into America – many against their wishes, most sold by other black faces. But the origins, the environment, the culture, and the law of America are pure white.

    Time for you blacks to get over your inferiority complex and either live in the admission Western Culture was originated by white skin, or move back to Africa where you can celebrate Kwanzaa or some other stupid shit.

    And here’s betting not a one of you poor, poor oppressed black folk will be pulling up anchor anytime soon.

    Not only are most blacks the most racist element of America today. They’re also the most sensitive and most whiny. Your lot will never improve until you quit looking for excuse.

    Tough shit if you can’t faced the truth.

  • 32. dead rabbit  |  December 14, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    “When you were living in your car you were completely off Romney’s radar.”

    Hell yeah I was. Now if only I was off Inkster Police’s radar and I could have gotten a good nights sleep.

  • 33. Huck  |  December 14, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    “Atta really isn’t Egyptian ethnically. He’s an Arab.”

    Point taken

    “I would say that maybe some of the elves are black…”

    The Dutch Santa has little black-skinned helpers.

    “Yasser Arafat hardly looked white.”

    Look again.

  • 34. muffy  |  December 14, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    “But all that is really beside the point. The point is the absurdity of Fox making a big deal out of it. Only the most bullheaded conservative could not see the humor in Stewarts segment.

    Among the gems was the observation about what audience Megyn was talking to. It would be a child sophisticated enough to be watching Fox at night yet innocent enough to believe in Santa yet racist enough that they’d be horrified he could possibly be black. That was hilarious.

    By the way before I even watched the segment I said to my wife that Santa had to be white because no one would tolerate a black man coming down their chimney in the middle of the night.”

    Oh for God’s sake Megan was joking. The part Stewart used was out of context. It’s what he does.

    The black man coming down the chimney thing was funny though.

  • 35. Alfie  |  December 14, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Rutherford knows how to get free hits thats for sure.

    First your deflection of putting some burden on me in reply to a comment is the epitome of some shit.

    Second Romneys hometown stuff blah blah — isn’t. The Bay State didn’t really like him and he didn’t really power the state. His hallmarks in MA were budget and operational/organizational in nature with a side dish of the health care thing. THAT last one should be viewed correctly though and not in the manner it is routinely presented.

    Romney continued a legacy set out by my personal favorite MA Governor of my lifetime William Weld. You see Mitt was not a fave locally even for me.
    What I liked about Romney and spoke of ad-nauseam was his integrity,his professional credibility and heartfelt desire for the country especially in context to where the country was collectively (and still is even more so) that he actually cared and had a plan.
    It wasn’t my place to publicize criticisms even if I had them. I will say I was pretty clear in painting that I thought he would once in office take a FP stance counter to the neo con Jacksonian thing we had and definitely not the Wilsonian shit we got going now.
    Im sorry Rutherford but my earlier comment stands and is truer now than it was just hours ago.

  • 36. James  |  December 14, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    I agree about the two lies, Rutherford. it is why I wrote “especially.”

    Arabs and other brown or black north Africans are caucasians. So are many dark residents of India.

  • 37. Alfie  |  December 14, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    Rutherford your #25 to dead rabbit is particularly churlish,childish and simply wrong it doesn’t deserve a comment but I really must go further.
    Obama cared more about his image over the Maersk Alabama/Somali pirates incident than he did the Behghazi staff.
    Obama no more cares about the children of America than he does if Bo poops in the Rose Garden,you see neither action gets his personal attention.

  • 38. James  |  December 14, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    In addition, Obama and crew were prominently displayed watching the murder of bin Ladin with the implication that our brave president had done something heroic.

    Contrast those images with the night of Benghazi. We still don’t know where Obama was that night, but we know he soon attended a fund raiser.

  • 39. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Sorry Tex, Jews give blacks a good competition in the whining department. Say anything vaguely antisemitic and watch all hell break loose.

    Yes I know–Jews are successful and blacks are not. You needn’t go there.

  • 40. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    “”Yasser Arafat hardly looked white.”

    Look again.”

    If you think Arafat looked white like Ronald Reagan or Tom Cruise looks white then you are one inclusive dude. Or you need to get your eyesight checked.

  • 41. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    “Oh for God’s sake Megan was joking. The part Stewart used was out of context. It’s what he does. ”

    Jon Stewart didn’t start the “controversy”. He merely took the heat she was already getting and he ran with it.

    She subsequently said she was joking. She’s not nearly as good at delivering a funny line as Stewart is.

    Feel free to post a clip with “full context” so we can see how unfair Jon was to her.

    By the way her name is spelled Megyn. I point this out because Jessica Williams remarked to Jon about how she is white even though she spells her name creatively. :-)

  • 42. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Alfie if you thought my comment to Rabbit childish and churlish then you don’t know where I’m coming from.

    I cannot abide middle and lower middle class people casting aspersions on the poor and blindly admiring the wealthy. That is exactly what this maker/taker talk is about. It’s class warfare at its most vicious.

    FWIW the book I’m reading now does testify to Romney’s love of country and his sincere belief that he could solve the nations problems. Despite all that, he proved on the campaign trail that he had great difficulty relating to people not like him.

  • 43. El Tigre  |  December 14, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    “When you were living in your car you were completely off Romney’s radar.

    When you lost your home Romney assumed you were a lazy ass motherfucker.”

    No he wouldn’t. No he wouldn’t. No he wouldn’t.

    Such a childish comment. You really don’t have a clue.

    Caricatured my ass. You say stupid shit like this with a straight face.

  • 44. El Tigre  |  December 14, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    R, he spoke the truth about a dependent class and failed policies that create them. That is not “casting aspersions on the poor.” That is giving a shit about unlike you and your statist heroes that exploit them.

  • 45. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Tigre when we got a glimpse of Romney talking to rich people when he thought no one was listening, that was either the real Mitt or he was pandering. I assure you Romney and his rich donors would assume a guy living in his car was in the 47%.

    If you don’t believe this then you must believe in Santa.

  • 46. El Tigre  |  December 14, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    Yeah. He hates poor people. Heartless. Nothing charitable or compassionate about the guy.

    Obviously you looked past the MSNBC version of the speech, it’s context, and what this sociopath had personally done for others — like Obama.

    Again, you ain’t being caricatured. You say it and mean it.

    Of course I am a racist corporate shill so anything I say should be discounted. :roll:

  • 47. dead rabbit  |  December 14, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    Living in your car is a great motivator to make a big life change and improve yourself. I didn’t cost the tax payer a dime that summer. So, I wasn’t in the 47 percent at that time.

    I was in the 47 percent when I got out of the service and decided to take a cash job while collecting unemployment. Gamed the system, if only temporarily.

    I grew up extra eating welfare food given to us by our aunt. Loved the cheese. She was lazy. Her kids, my cousins, are all on welfare or in jail. They are all lazy. Embarrassing they have the Rabbit last name. You know those white people without shirts on the show Cops? That’s is them.

    Welfare ruined them.

  • 48. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2013 at 1:40 am

    “Of course I am a racist corporate shill so anything I say should be discounted. :roll:

    No you’re not a racist. Corporate shill? Jury still out on that. ;-)

  • 49. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2013 at 1:45 am

    As for whether or not Romney is personally charitable — no doubt he is. By all accounts he is a devout Mormon. The church is the center of his life. Charity is a component of that faith.

    But President Mitt ain’t gonna write personal checks out to help the poor. President Mitt needs to use government to provide that aid and his stated attitude toward the 47% tells me he doesn’t want government to do squat.

  • 50. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2013 at 1:50 am

    “Living in your car is a great motivator to make a big life change and improve yourself.”

    And there is the Rand Paul logic in a nutshell. The more you help people the less likely they are to help themselves.

  • 51. dead rabbit  |  December 15, 2013 at 2:26 am

    You haven’t found that to be the case?

    I’m not lying, you know. Had I not been thrown in the fire I would be dead right now.

    If any part of 17 year old Rabbit been subsidized or supported, even on a cerebral level, I would have never became a man

    I was pathetic. Couldn’t do shit for myself with no ambition to improve.

    Being completely cornered was the only thing that could have given me the motivation to be a productive member of society. Don’t feed the bears, maaaaaan.

  • 52. parker  |  December 15, 2013 at 7:57 am

    Jesus, sometimes Americans are so stupid. The Chinese just successfully put a probe on the moon, and did it all with interest from American loans – and, of course, technology they stole from you, and you are sitting here with your thumbs up your asses, arguing about whether Jesus was white or black.

    Grow the fuck up up, Yanks. Figure out what your priorities are and do something about it.

    This guy knows what happened:

  • 53. dead rabbit  |  December 15, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Come on dude. The problem with America is that most Americans are NOT “arguing” about the ethnicity of Jesus. In other words, they remain blissfully ignorant and have no intellectual pursuits whatsoever. Video games and dumb TV.

  • 54. James  |  December 15, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Yasser Arafat certainly didn’t like like a blond northern European, but according to an article I read, his genetic material was more similar to the blond than a Japanese person to someone from South East Asia.

    We have two types of charity. One enslaves the 47% with dependencey. The other provides help so they can better themselves. For example, a group called Heifer, I think uses contributions to help residents of third world countries buy livestock. When the recipients are in better shape, they help their neighbors.

    Other organizations offer small loans to help people start their own small businesses.

    I agree, Parker.

  • 55. dead rabbit  |  December 15, 2013 at 10:29 am

    ” a group called Heifer, I think uses contributions to help residents of third world countries buy livestock.” -R

    We once bought a cow for a village! That’s a cool charity.

  • 56. El Tigre  |  December 15, 2013 at 10:31 am

    R, I swear you haven’t got any sense. All the bullshit about “casting aspersions about the poor” and “blind admiration fort the wealthy.”

    Those are cheap character attacks made by your propaganda machines that don’t exist and not at all evidenced by what he said at the fundraiser.

    Quit playing the fool, would ya?

    Romney was obviously, clearly, unquestionably, unmistakably talking about the votes that can be obtained from those that believe like you that Santa is in fact a black man that goes by the name Obama in the off season.

    Look at what the dem leadership you blindly worship and follow has wrought. Has any of it “helped the poor” or those you make you think need your protection by pulling lever? If so, tell us about it.

    Serious question: do you know or even have contact with people receiving government welfare? I do. When you climb on horse and sanctimoniously blather on about others’ lack of compassion for the poor you sure don’t sound like someone that has any idea what the product of these programs looks like.

    Fortunately you picked a black man to fix our problems. He gets it. :roll:

  • 57. El Tigre  |  December 15, 2013 at 10:35 am

    In college thee was group that ran a charity program called Heifer. The donations began after last call.

  • 58. dead rabbit  |  December 15, 2013 at 10:37 am

    In college there was group that ran a charity program called Heifer. The donations began after last call.

    I just spit my coffee out

  • 59. dead rabbit  |  December 15, 2013 at 10:44 am

    We used to pitch money in and go “hoggin” in the Navy. Fattest wins. Really it was an excuse to hook up with fat chicks. This crazy black guy would always win. Always. I remember one time I thought I had it in the bag. He shows up next to me on the dance floor with a big smile on his face and the most massive woman in all of Iceland. The kicker, she had birth defect on her right arm, it was small and curled up like half of a T-rex.

    Sorry Muffy…..horrible…I know.

    We quit playing when we realized that all those beautiful super model like women in Iceland actually liked us.

  • 60. dead rabbit  |  December 15, 2013 at 10:45 am

    “Serious question: do you know or even have contact with people receiving government welfare?”

    I was wondering the same thing.

  • 61. Alfie  |  December 15, 2013 at 10:51 am

    The more you help people the less likely they are to help themselves.

    In a nutshell there is the eternal truth that eludes Rutherford.
    R it is all well and good to look at things with a magnifying glass but while you’re doing that there is a ton of stuff happening out in the periphery,the larger world you are not gonna see. That I have determined is the problem you have. You’re intelligent enough to focus on some things and try to be rounded but during your examinations you fail to see reality.
    I don’t think you have any personal knowledge of being poor even that by the pathetic American standards. I do,more than I like owning but it is because of this I can tell you the American poor for the most part are a product of a government system that ensnares them in what is dutifully termed a safety net but is in fact a kill net. That same net is more often than not then turned into a hammock by those that evolve/devolve into the underclass. From here the generational decay begins and this is evident by a basic anthropology take on Appalachia,blacks,Latinos and Asian population groups.At least two of these groups I list put black America to shame,if they have any still.
    You clearly have no idea what dependency does to people. You also seemingly have no clue how insidious dependency is when it becomes based on quid pro quo.
    One last thing…you are SO DISHONEST TO EVERYONE INCLUDING YOURSELF WHEN YOU THINK A PRESIDENT ROMNEY WOULD’VE STOPPED ALL PROGRAMS TO THE POOR,OR THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA CARES MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE ABOUT ANYONE.STOP IT

  • 62. Tex Taylor  |  December 15, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Anybody noticing that now that Megyn Kelly is starting to make a name for herself on FOX News, the Left (Rutherford is always the parakeet in the mine) is attempting to Palinize her?

    And I wouldn’t mind so much if these pathetic excuses of humanity didn’t then in turn make the charges of misogyny about the Right.

  • 63. James  |  December 15, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    I remember meeting my wife after her flight from Iceland. Two women came out ahead of her–Helga and Inga. Super models indeed.

    Bonnie Ramthun 3 Reasons Why Our Teenagers Can’t Find Jobs on PJ Meda illustrates why the progressive way is destroying a generation and placing more into the “47%” group.

    Alfie, I agree, but I add Native Americans, A reservation is across the river from us, but the Rosebud area near the South Dakota Badlands is one of the poorest regions in the US.

    I’ve noticed Tex. Slander and misappropriation of language is the liberal way.

  • 64. muffy  |  December 15, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    Tex@#62 – that’s pretty clear. Her ratings smash Maddow and Piers combined and she’s also pretty good at what she does. A million miles less partisan and untrustworthy as Maddow and just as smart, if not smarter.

    “She subsequently said she was joking. She’s not nearly as good at delivering a funny line as Stewart is.

    Feel free to post a clip with “full context” so we can see how unfair Jon was to her.”

    Listen, I had no idea she said she was joking. I saw the segment in it’s entirety when it aired and I know what I saw. The thrust of her remarks were to the point that Santa was REAL.

    Her response to the concocted drama supports my personal take entirely. I looked for a longer piece – particularly the preceding 30 seconds – and I found only the clips that were unfairly edited and responses to that clip – including hers.

    Give us a break from the race-baiting. The only ones buying it that I can see are your own children (the collective you) – who learn as we all do from the ones we love.

  • 65. muffy  |  December 15, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Strike the word “only” from my reference to the clips I found. The clip I posted contains the entire piece as it originally aired PLUS Kelly’s excellent response.

    From the Dem party platform – which in 30+ pages refers to Republicans something like 37 times (compared to 8 such references in 50+ pages for the Republican party platform) – and MSNBC hosts and their collective obsession with Fox and “old, white men” – isn’t it time you looked within yourselves for that which you constantly inspect us?

  • 66. muffy  |  December 15, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    “Sorry Muffy…..horrible…I know.”

    Maybe that depends on what you did for her. Could be that she has fond memories of the romp.

  • 67. muffy  |  December 15, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Kelly hits on a point worth highlighting as it ties in with the continued trashing of a decent man in Romney. Exhibit A = this thread. To what end this trashing leads – I’m guessing it helps you sleep.

    The point = always willing – at the ready, downright eager – to believe the worst in people.

  • 68. Huck  |  December 15, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    “But President Mitt ain’t gonna write personal checks out to help the poor.”

    So Romney’s an asshole because he only gives away his own money and not yours and mine, too….

  • 69. dead rabbit  |  December 15, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    ” Maybe that depends on what you did for her. Could be that she has fond memories of the romp.”

    Ha ha. I’m sure it was 17 seconds of pure bliss.

  • 70. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    What I find funny about the Chinese probe is that it’s hailed as some sort of Chinese triumph in the space race. Ehhh they lost the race 40 years ago. It’s like a track runner waving his arms in victory as he’s the last one to cross the finish line.

  • 71. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Ultimately the ethnicity of Jesus is only important to score points. All that should matter is that he was a rebel with a cause and a fighter against social injustice. That’s the secular view.

    If we’re gonna go religious the dude had no ethnicity since technically he wasn’t human.

  • 72. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    “Other organizations offer small loans to help people start their own small businesses. ”

    I believe these are microloans and from the little I’ve heard about them, they’re a good idea.

  • 73. Alfie  |  December 15, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    That the Chinese have made the gains they have in the period they have and most importantly the intent is what makes them winners. The last one is what sets the stage to make many of us losers.
    Micro loans are awesome if you are the chosen one. For the most part they actually represent the logical progression of liberal dogma.

  • 74. El Tigre  |  December 15, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    “He shows up next to me on the dance floor with a big smile on his face and the most massive woman in all of Iceland. The kicker, she had birth defect on her right arm, it was small and curled up like half of a T-rex.”

    Been laughing all day with that one.

    Did he win? :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • 75. parker  |  December 15, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Rutherford, regards the last man in the race waving his arms.

    That’s not what it represents at all. It represents the race car that started out in 25th place blinking its lights at the car in first, letting him know that “I’m on your bumper now, hot stuff, and in a few seconds all you will see of me is my smoke. Oh, and by the way, I stopped by your pit and your crew very helpfully fueled me up and put your new tires on MY car.”

    As has been said here before, America has the means; what it does NOT have is the will.

  • 76. dead rabbit  |  December 15, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    “Ultimately the ethnicity of Jesus is only important to score points” -R

    Score points? I don’t get it.

  • 77. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    “One last thing…you are SO DISHONEST TO EVERYONE INCLUDING YOURSELF WHEN YOU THINK A PRESIDENT ROMNEY WOULD’VE STOPPED ALL PROGRAMS TO THE POOR,OR THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA CARES MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE ABOUT ANYONE.STOP IT.”

    Actually I’d take it a step further. On a PERSONAL basis I think it very possible that Mitt might care more about the unfortunate than Obama.

    But Mitt is on the side of a party that wants to cut food stamps, a program used to a large degree by the WORKING poor. As I implied earlier Mitt’s personal integrity goes just so far if his public policy stand cuts people off at the knees.

  • 78. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    No, I don’t know anyone on welfare (at least I don’t think I do). I also don’t know anyone who is blind but I can imagine the challenges they face.

    I’ve already said I favor workfare over welfare. So let’s see the legislation and programs from the GOP that go in that direction. Your Speaker said Congress should be celebrated by how much legislation they repeal. Yeah that solves problems. Fortunately even Boehner is tired of presiding over the least productive congress in history.

    While you boys and girls whine about Obama you should be ashamed at the dysfunction that your party has wrought in the legislative branch.

  • 79. Tex Taylor  |  December 15, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Well, I wrapped my daughter’s room today with new solid hardwood floors – minus now having to paint the room (214 sq feet). That doesn’t have to be done, but I am going to do it anyway. The damn walls looked tinged with dust – like a car that has been washed with dirty wheels.

    I would say I have about 80 hours (the subfloor was the longest part as I had to drill over 200 holes into the slab) into it and saved myself maybe all of $700-800 bucks. That includes sanding the baseboards down to bare wood and adding quarter round. :lol: If any of you ever get a wild hair like I did, rip up the carpeting like I did, and go after it, here is my final take.

    Pay someone to do it. Very labor intensive and there is simply not a high enough mark up.

    Installation was pretty much a breeze. I wish I had notched a board around the flush floor vent instead of building around it – it doesn’t look quite as professional as the carpenters who did our room, the office, five closets and the hall. But it is more than acceptable. I wasn’t confident enough using my jigsaw to make that precise a cut. Everything else on the installation looks as good as they did – and I didn’t splash stain everywhere and taped off the bottom of the doors. I was far better at dust control, it didn’t make the house uninhabitable, and only inconvenienced my oldest daughter one night during Thanksgiving. Everything in the room was either shoved into two other bedrooms or the entry way. I apparently did a nice job of transition into the hall, as I chose to use 1/8″ inch shorter plywood for the base as the other floors had been sanded twice. I didn’t want to have to sand a bunch of life off brand new wood. The floor professionals thought I was wrong – I still contend it was the right decision. I simply shortened the fasteners a 1/4″ inch. Time will tell in the coming months.

    But here is the problem. I was scared stiff to run a drum sander as I read one horror story after another by the DYI – literally ruining new floors. Besides, the professional ones run off a 220 – everything I could rent ran off a 110.

    I rented a vibrating orbital sander for the main floor and did the edges and closet with my own orbital sander.

    Don’t do what I did. The crap you rent from Home Depot simply doesn’t have the power to strip a floor like it should be stripped. I knew there was a problem as soon as I started emptying the bag.

    When the crew who did the original floor sanded 550sq ft, they literally left a 39 gallon bag of saw dust. The floors were beautiful when the finished.

    You could have emptied my saw dust in a Dixie Cup.

    Long story short, I am not satisfied with the finish. There are a few places where the floor looked “cupped.” The reason is the miniscule differences in height of the boards is smoothed by a drum sander.

    Anyway, I give myself a C+ – A- for the installation; D for the finish.

    I learned a lot and have another room to do. I’ll do the installation and pay somebody to finish it.

  • 80. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Tex, Megyn Kelly was and is considered one Fox’s brightest stars. Her pushback on Karl Rove on election night last year proved she was more than a partisan hack. In fact Stewarts piece opened by saying that we expect more from Kelly than from dingbat Gretchen Carlsen. I’m assuming you never bothered to watch the Stewart piece. As a smart guy I honestly can’t believe you would not have found the humor in it.

  • 81. Alfie  |  December 15, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    Actually the cuts to SNAP you scream about is a great example of what you seek. The facts are clear on the cuts. Over 10 years not days and mostly through returning the sanity to the program as it was originally intended. Childless single males without disability should not be getting SNAP. Additional cuts are coming secondary to blue states eliminating workfare among other things. Take a pill or eventually you get the drastic surgical procedure.

  • 82. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    James did liberals create an economy in which there are three candidates for every one job opening?

  • 83. Alfie  |  December 15, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    Also please note for my earlier I didn’t specify welfare as a qualifier for being USA poor. I don’t think you are near the edge of vision I once thought you were coming to.

  • 84. dead rabbit  |  December 15, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    “Long story short, I am not satisfied with the finish. ” -Tex

    Of course you are not. Nobody ever is when they do their own floors. I bet they look awesome…..you are the only one who gets bugged by them on earth.

    I never did the installation but I have pulled the carpet off of old wood floors and sanded them down. I fucked up with the big drum sander. It’s like deep frying a turkey…..you have to drop it sloooooooow.

    The funny thing is nobody noticed all these horrible mistakes. My wife thought it looked awesome while I couldn’t even look at it.

  • 85. Alfie  |  December 15, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    James did liberals create an economy in which there are three candidates for every one job opening?
    I look forward to James answer but I can’t resist.
    YES!!
    Some of the reasons I believe this.
    AA but not EO
    EPA regulations
    Tax policy
    “everyone goes to college,everyone gets trophy”
    and many many more points

  • 86. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    What thrashing Muffy? You’re obviously not reading what I said. Personal decency and public policy are two different things. No reason to doubt Mitts personal decency other than that he is a savage campaigner but hell that’s politics.

    My argument is with his politics.

  • 87. dead rabbit  |  December 15, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    “No, I don’t know anyone on welfare” -R

    LOL…Nooooo….I am shocked. Just shocked.

    I’m not being a dick when I ask this…..I am asking honestly. Is your handicap the reason for you being so sheltered? Because, I could see that being the case.

  • 88. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    “So Romney’s an asshole because he only gives away his own money and not yours and mine, too….”

    Well stated! :-)

  • 89. El Tigre  |  December 15, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    “My argument is with his politics.”

    Then what are they? They sure ain’t cutting of all welfare programs?

    Do you even know?

    Seriously. This shit storm the idiots you support and you want to talk smack about Romney? Put it up.

  • 90. El Tigre  |  December 15, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    cutting off

  • 91. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    “Score points? I don’t get it.”

    The only folks who get their dander up about the race of Jesus are folks who resent the notion of his being either white or not white. That’s what I meant by scoring points. It’s what he preached that matters.

    I honestly don’t give a rats ass since I don’t trust so much of the history surrounding the man in the first place.

  • 92. dead rabbit  |  December 15, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    “The only folks who get their dander up about the race of Jesus are folks who resent the notion of his being either white or not white.”-R

    I and many others get my dander up because its interesting. It’s not about scoring points. Not everything is about scoring racial points.

    Ever read Josephus?

  • 93. El Tigre  |  December 15, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Just saw that Tom Loughlin died.

    RIP Billy Jack. We barley knew ye.

  • 94. poolman  |  December 16, 2013 at 1:02 am

    .I am asking honestly. Is your handicap the reason for you being so sheltered?

    This is a guy who freaked over seeing a cat penis for the first time after a half century plus of supposedly living on this planet. Seriously.

  • 95. poolman  |  December 16, 2013 at 1:05 am

    He’s probably getting a street level view with his new career move. I can see the benefits long term.

  • 96. poolman  |  December 16, 2013 at 1:28 am

    I’ll do a little outsourcing for you…

  • 97. Tex Taylor  |  December 16, 2013 at 6:13 am

    I just watched Billy Jack the other day. :lol: Watched it in the theater as a kid and thought it was about the coolest movie I’d ever seen.

    Didn’t enjoy the “new age” crap and the hokey Indian medicine hocus pocus as an adult, but it still made for a pretty kick ass movie.

    RIP indeed.

  • 98. dead rabbit  |  December 16, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Honestly, I don’t blame him being freaked out over a cat penis. I’m guessing its mildly disturbing to see the family cat with a boner. I know its nature and normal……but still…

  • 99. Huck  |  December 16, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    “Honestly, I don’t blame him being freaked out over a cat penis….”

    What the hell did I miss in this thread?

  • 100. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 16, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Yup you keep offering up awkward boobs like Romney and I’ll keep voting for Obama.
    Give me a fucking alternative Tigre or STFU.

    The alternative was for someone who actually UNDERSTANDS economics, and didn’t subscribe to delusional beliefs about top-down economic control by government.

  • 101. parker  |  December 16, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Well, it looks as if the peepers in the NSA got a little spanking today. Looks like your boy Snowden is on his way to being a hero there, too – like he is everywhere else in the world.

    http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/12/16-7

    One of many arse-whippings for the peepers, I hope. What Americans don’t realize is how much this spying scandal hurts American commerce. “Foreign” governments all over the world now have plans for independent networks that do not interconnect with American ones.

  • 102. Rutherford  |  December 16, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    True story:

    My daughter goes to the gymnastics Xmas party last night. The director of the gym shows up as Santa. He happens to be black. One of the younger girls runs up to him and screams “Santa, Santa!”

    A true illustration of how kids can be color blind–and the power of belief.

    BTW we have given our more sophisticated daughter strict instructions NOT to ruin Santa for the younger kids.

  • 103. Rutherford  |  December 16, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    “Is your handicap the reason for you being so sheltered?”

    You kinda lost me on that one. My disability definitely has limited my activities but I don’t see how it applies to my not personally knowing welfare recipients. In high school I hung within my economic stratum. I then went to Harvard. I then worked at IBM for 24 years eventually earning a six figure salary.

    So I guess I’d ask you, outside of volunteer work, what opportunity would I have to personally know welfare recipients?

    I’m not saying I’ve ever been rich but ironically my life has kept me as sheltered from the poor as Mitt Romney. ;-)

  • 104. James  |  December 16, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    I like the story.

  • 105. Rutherford  |  December 16, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Before anyone goes there, being a devout Mormon Mitt probably has had more exposure to the poor than most of the folks on this board via volunteer work and missionary work.

    So Rabbit maybe the better question would have been “were you sheltered because you grew up an upper middle class heathen?”

  • 106. Rutherford  |  December 16, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    Poolman has an excellent memory. In a prior thread long ago I did express my disgust with cat penis.

  • 107. Rutherford  |  December 16, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    I remember Billy Jack for its soft core porn moments which got me on the road to perdition.

  • 108. Tex Taylor  |  December 16, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    “R”,

    Funny you should say that. I was thinking when BIlly Jack’s hippie co-star (Loughlin’s real wife, I think) was standing in the buff to bathe in the great outdoors…

    Not terribly attractive, but she did have a fine booty in ’71.

  • 109. El Tigre  |  December 16, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Rabbit an “upper middle-class” heathen?

    Me, less exposure to poor?

    You are being ragged because, like the blind, what you imagine the welfare class to be is apparently only what you imagine it to be.

    And you’re imagination is lacking.

    In fact, your imagination seems to confuse sympathy for empathy and understanding.

    But keep thinking no one else gets it.

  • 110. El Tigre  |  December 16, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    I remember Billy Jack like Tex. Mostly kick-ass but with a lot of the dumb Indian hocus pocus hippie bullshit.

    Still one of the original bad ass vigilantes in my book.

    (but I didn’t see him in the theaters you old fuckers)

  • 111. dead rabbit  |  December 16, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Rutherford, its not just knowing people on welfare. There have been countless moments where my jaw kind of drops since I’ve been coming here due to a lack of connection with….well….the real world. Your “Belky” moments, if you will. Some of it damn cringe worthy. Dude….it gets to the point where it all seems theoretical. Your mileage ain’t there. The fish bowl glass thick.

  • 112. dead rabbit  |  December 16, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    Who is Billy Jack?

  • 113. El Tigre  |  December 16, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    Have a look at the video I embedded Home Boy.

  • 114. dead rabbit  |  December 16, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    I am now a fan of Bill Jack. Awesome kick.

  • 115. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 16, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    R, I worked for a grocery store for 5 years in a blue collar community, that I grew up in. I have my doubts that Mitt has more active knowledge about the poor than I do.

  • 116. Rutherford  |  December 17, 2013 at 6:08 am

    Tex my fonder moment was when the buxom blond had her bra cut off at the front. That scene stayed with me quite a while. :-) I’m guessing I was 11 or 12 at the time. Mmmm why the fuck did my parents take me to that picture?

  • 117. Rutherford  |  December 17, 2013 at 6:10 am

    “Rabbit an “upper middle-class” heathen?”

    No … I guess I wasn’t clear. I was referring to myself, not Rabbit.

  • 118. Rutherford  |  December 17, 2013 at 6:14 am

    Rabbit you probably know the song from Billy Jack even if you don’t know the flick. Find the song “One Tin Soldier” on YouTube. I bet you’ve heard it before.

  • 119. El Tigre  |  December 17, 2013 at 8:10 am

    Well this would’ve made my day, but I was reminded by R that Chaz Maddow said increased US/North American oil production has no effect on price or oil independence.

    Duh.

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-12-16/mexico-ending-oil-monopoly-seen-drowning-north-america-in-crude

  • 120. parker  |  December 17, 2013 at 8:54 am

    For the permanently offended, sent to me from a friend in Phoenix, AZ.

    http://angelofannihilation.tumblr.com/post/69650960433/im-alex-s-if-anyone-ever-asks-me-what-tumblr

    The original doesn’t appear to be anywhere I can find. Too offensive, I suppose.

  • 121. James  |  December 17, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Maddow obviously slept through economics class.I wonder if people like her have enough self awareness or sufficient memories to feel the slightest embarassment.

    I have been poor, and now I am “rich” Rich is better. I remember Billy Jack but ever saw the movie. We could only afford two or three movies per year.

    Interesting vid

  • 122. James  |  December 17, 2013 at 10:46 am

    eo parker.

    One year, we celebrated Christmas with two widowed sisters in Essex. They counted the pieces of coal they put in their stove so they wouldn’t run out. It was a taste of gentile poverty.

  • 123. Tex Taylor  |  December 17, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Contrary to the Left’s assertion and her reputed credentials, I have decided Rachel Maddow flat out stupid concerning anything beyond the soundbite. Her lack of economics and science rivals….

    …well, I let them go, but you get my drift. :twisted:

    I loaded Billy Jack up on Netflix last night. It’s so over-the-top stereotype (bad white men, good Indians – bad businessmen, good hippies), I couldn’t take more than 15 minutes.

    What seemed really cool when I was 12, seems so puerile now. Matter of fact, I despise those phony pacifist idiots. :lol:

    I’m guessing I was 11 or 12 at the time. Mmmm why the fuck did my parents take me to that picture?

    Had my prudish mother known of Billy Jack, I’ll assure you I wouldn’t have got to go to learn of Billy Jack, “R.”

  • 124. El Tigre  |  December 17, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    “What seemed really cool when I was 12, seems so puerile now. Matter of fact, I despise those phony pacifist idiots.”
    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Same here.

    I do remember that the bulk of the movies were nauseatingly bad but they had the few ass-kicking scenes that they were entertaining in small bites.

    Eastwood had some duds with his wife too. He and Billy Jack are to be forgiven.

  • 125. El Tigre  |  December 17, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    I recall the Chaz price R consumed without skepticism was based on the false premise that all oil is dumped on the world market therefore no contribution to it could result in independence or autonomy. Among other unimportant clutter, I recall Chaz (and most certainly R) ignored, discounted, or were unaware of the export restrictions that outlaw the export/sale of US crude that confines out domestic markets.

    Funny that R didn’t question that when his own Messiah preached the opposite as attempted to take unearned praise for the offshore drilling initiated under Bush.

    Well, I guess to the unquestioning liberal mentality, both must be right. :roll:

  • 126. El Tigre  |  December 17, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Chaz piece

  • 127. Rutherford  |  December 17, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    First of all I don’t recall any Maddow piece on oil production. Second I had heard from more than one source that our oil goes into the world market.

    I’m not aware of these export restrictions. If you’re right about them well slap my ass and call me Charlie, learn something new everyday.

  • 128. Rutherford  |  December 17, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    My parents had an odd selectivity when it came to my pop culture consumption.

    There was an absolute veto on my seeing The French Connection (which caused major drama in the house cos my best friend Sean saw it). But they took me to see The Seven Ups (I think that was the name of it), an equally violent cops and robbers flick.

    After collecting the albums of Alice Cooper and the Stones my parents put their foot down–no Led Zeppelin. When I got old enough to buy my own Zeppelin I realized how arbitrary their decision had been. Cooper sings about fucking dead girls. The Stones repertoire is mostly sex drugs and rock and roll. Led Zeppelin sings about a lot of mystical shit and they’re the bad guys.

    So Rabbit the answer to all your questions about why I am the way I am:

    IT’S HOW I WAS RAISED!!!

  • 129. El Tigre  |  December 17, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    “First of all I don’t recall any Maddow piece on oil production.”

    Huh?

    http://rutherfordl.wordpress.com/2010/06/22/the-myth-of-drill-baby-drill-and-the-slush-fund/

  • 130. El Tigre  |  December 17, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Grab you ankles, Sally:

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-12-17/oil-supply-surge-brings-calls-to-ease-u-dot-s-dot-ban-on-crude-exports

    Seriously, didn’t you wonder about Obama’s pledges of oil and energy independence when he took credit for licensing/drilling expansion on Federal lands (initiated under Bush) in the last campaign?

  • 131. El Tigre  |  December 17, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    399. Rutherford | September 6, 2013 at 12:41 am

    I voted Republican because:

    “. . . 11. I’m too stupid to know that the oil we produce will not be used exclusively for us but will be sold on the open market. I’m also not a big fan of innovation. Oil worked for my grandpa and god dammit it’ll work for you.”

    Drill Baby Drill!!!!

  • 132. Rutherford  |  December 17, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    Hey what can I say … you guys have always kept better track of my blog than I have.

    I’ll have to read that one when I get a chance. LOL

  • 133. Rutherford  |  December 17, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Oh yeah, the 2013 comment I don’t deny.

    But hell you expect me to remember back to 2010? :-)

  • 134. El Tigre  |  December 17, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Your also welcomed to actually read the Bloomberg piece I posted in this very thread.

  • 135. El Tigre  |  December 17, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Of course, I’m too stupid to know that the oil we produce will not be used exclusively for us but will be sold on the open market. :lol: :lol:

  • 136. El Tigre  |  December 17, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Remember these lines of shit sold by your well-intentioned president to the gullible?

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2013/02/13/putting-the-truth-o-meter-on-obamas-state-of-the-union-energy-claims/

  • 137. El Tigre  |  December 17, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Why it seems like only yesterday:

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/oil-and-gas-leases-acres-and-permits-all-down-under-obama/article/2510988#.UH9uv8X3KYF

    Truthiness!!

  • 138. El Tigre  |  December 17, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    “But hell you expect me to remember back to 2010?”

    No. 2012 will do.

  • 139. Rutherford  |  December 17, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    I’ll hand it to you Tigre. You may end up replacing Rabbit as official RL Blog historian. :-)

  • 140. James  |  December 17, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Rutherford, you may like the rest of us be the way you are because of how you were raised, but your great great grandpa Festus probably made a contribution also.

    I also remember when Obama took credit for the Keystone pipe line when he spoke near the already completed southern segment.

    One movie we did see when I was in grad school was “No Blade of Grass.” I had read the book in grade school. A virus killed all grasses, and you can imagine the apocalyptic unraveling of civilization on an empty stomach. The book was better than the movie.

    Our grand daughter is now beginning to eat solid food.

  • 141. parker  |  December 18, 2013 at 7:27 am

    Snowden speaks out in Brasil.

    http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/12/17-1

    A real world hero.

  • 142. El Tigre  |  December 18, 2013 at 8:52 am

    The NSA surveillance is twisted and should be met with pitchforks and torches. Yet, as always, noting. Where’s the media? More outrage in Europe than the US.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/17/merkel-compares-nsa-stasi-obama

  • 143. parker  |  December 18, 2013 at 10:48 am

    El Tigre has a gift for understatement. Twisted? It violates absolutely everything that country stands for, everything in its constitution, it rapes every soldier who ever died or was maimed, defending the right. Pitchforks and torches, yes. Also ropes.

    And he is right – where is the outrage? Have Americans become so passive, so like cattle, that they shrug their shoulders and say, nothing can be done?

    My god. Soon we won’t be able to tell them apart from the French.

  • 144. poolman  |  December 18, 2013 at 11:22 am

  • 145. El Tigre  |  December 18, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    “El Tigre has a gift for understatement. Twisted? It violates absolutely everything that country stands for, everything in its constitution, it rapes every soldier who ever died or was maimed, defending the right. Pitchforks and torches, yes. Also ropes.”

    You’re right. Shocking even for this administration.

    R, really, why aren’t you up in arms? This should be freaking you and everyone else out.

  • 146. dead rabbit  |  December 18, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frankschaeffer/2013/12/the-slow-motion-lynching-of-president-barack-obama/

    Holy shit….if you hold your nose and travel liberal blogosphere its pretty funny

  • 147. El Tigre  |  December 18, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    That is pretty fucking funny.

    Can I un-pinch my nose or does it stink stick to my clothes?

  • 148. El Tigre  |  December 18, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    Holy Fucking Shit!!!!!!

    Pajama Boy!!!!!!!

    http://twitchy.com/2013/12/18/twitter-gold-the-obama-pajamaboy-selfie-and-other-must-see-mash-ups-and-memes-photoshops/

  • 149. dead rabbit  |  December 18, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    LOL. A 26 year old man in pajamas is the new poster boy for Obamacare.

    And I thought the Obamacare remix of the Crip National Anthem was funny.

    Earth to liberals. Do you have any idea what would happen to the infrastructure if your version of Übermensch ran the world.

    I swear you fucking people need to form your own country just so the rest of us can successfully invade Fagistan armed with nothing but weighted flash lights.

  • 150. Huck  |  December 18, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    Oh you aint seen nothin’ yet….

  • 151. dead rabbit  |  December 18, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    …..LOL…and after Huck’s mushroom cloud its safe to declare this the most pathetic and desperate administration in American history.

  • 152. muffy  |  December 18, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    It’s over.

  • 153. muffy  |  December 18, 2013 at 10:22 pm

  • 154. dead rabbit  |  December 18, 2013 at 11:03 pm

  • 155. dead rabbit  |  December 18, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    Ha. I posted music with out knowing Muffy did. That kid is good. I wish I knew how to play an instrument. Muffy is probably drinking a few beers too.

  • 156. poolman  |  December 18, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    I hope 150 is satire. There exists enough reasons already to be totally ashamed to be called American nowadays. We don’t need more.

  • 157. El Tigre  |  December 19, 2013 at 12:22 am

    Nope. That’s the vision of Obama-Caligula’s hope & change crowd.

    This shit is real.

  • 158. El Tigre  |  December 19, 2013 at 12:28 am

    Immediate cash payout to the first Rutherford Pajamaboy Photoshop. Must have epic x-mas screen saver.

  • 159. poolman  |  December 19, 2013 at 12:38 am

    This shit is real.

    I’m sorry miss Jackson.

  • 160. El Tigre  |  December 19, 2013 at 12:43 am

    Eh?

  • 161. poolman  |  December 19, 2013 at 12:55 am

    Eh?

    Song lyric from an OutKast song my daughter use to sing. Now, back to Rutherford’s original theme…

    To think that only yesterday I was cheerful, bright and gay

  • 162. Tex Taylor  |  December 19, 2013 at 12:58 am

    What in the hell is 150? :lol: As far as I’m concerned, that’s the entire Obama regime in a nutshell.

  • 163. Tex Taylor  |  December 19, 2013 at 1:00 am

    Obama’s Presidency as become the mirror image of Blazing Saddles… :lol:

    What in the Wide World of Sports is a-going on here? I hired you people to get a little track laid, not to jump around like a bunch of Kansas City faggots!

  • 164. poolman  |  December 19, 2013 at 1:02 am

    Oooooo the camp town ladies sing this song, doodah, doodah…

  • 165. Huck  |  December 19, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    News Flash: Cable network that has made millions by showing rednecks acting like rednecks suddenly disgusted when one of them acts like a redneck.

  • 166. Tex Taylor  |  December 19, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    The Lib Creed: Condemn Duck Dynasty for speaking their minds; applaud Miley Cyrus for twerking her’s.

  • 167. James  |  December 19, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    … and let Piers Morgan resign without much criticism. ts the same old double standard.

    Our grand daughter is beginning to eat solid food, and though she can’t crawl, she can stand while supporting herself against a coffee table, and she is able to roll across the room.

  • 168. Rutherford  |  December 19, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    Actually Tex Miley’s twerking was pretty universally condemned by lib and conservative alike.

  • 169. Rutherford  |  December 19, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Ok Huck you’ve stumped me. First was that speed metal? Second what the hell was the song about? The lyrics didn’t help. Third what network objected to it?

    By the way thank you. That song proves that even I could be a rock singer. :-)

  • 170. Rutherford  |  December 19, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    James did you mean Piers Morgan or that other Brit Martin Bashir?

  • 171. dead rabbit  |  December 19, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    Rutherford, I bet you never guessed it would get so sad that semi-soft core gay porn, a weird hipster man in “onesy” pajamas and an Obama look alike remixing Crip music would all be used in a desperate attempt to connect with the plebeians. Take it all in, Rutherford. This is what utter failure looks and smells like.

    LOL. I know MSNBC has a headline akin to something like “Conservatives Freak Out over Pajama Boy”……and you don’t get out of the house much….but trust me on this one..they are wrong…..nobody is “freaking out”…people are laughing at the White-house in a way that even I am uncomfortable with. And I mean laughing at!

    Pathetic on an unimaginable level.

    I guess this is what happens when you elect a well spoken utopian negro without an ounce of experience outside of shucking and jiving on a college campus or the local corrupt Chicago political scene. Sad thing is if someone would have predicted this embarrassment I would have stepped up said knock the racist crap off.

    I don’t know what to say.

    They are desperate to sign young people up and think gay buff dudes and an effeminate man boy pajamas with footies are the way to do it.

  • 172. Huck  |  December 19, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    “First was that speed metal?”

    I’d have to ask my son. I don’t get into the whole classification thing.

    “Second what the hell was the song about?”

    As soon as I give the answer to this I’ll learn they meant something completely different. To me, they’re talking about southern religious fundamentalists. I say that only based on my interpretation of the lyrics in combination with the song title.

    “Third what network objected to it?”

    This isn’t what the network objected to. My post was referring to the whole Duck Dynasty thing that has recently blown up the Twittersphere and made front page on CNN.com.

    Everyone is suddenly disgusted to find out that a hard core redneck doesn’t like gay people.

    What sickens me is that so many people give a shit what some hard core redneck on a reality TV show thinks.

    “That song proves that even I could be a rock singer.”

    While I’ll admit you’d probably come closer to it than I would, making your voice do what that guy is doing isn’t as easy as you might think. Especially the screaming.

  • 173. Huck  |  December 19, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    “people are laughing at the White-house in a way that even I am uncomfortable with. And I mean laughing at!”

    At yesterdays White House press briefing a reporter referred to the President of the United States as “Barack Obreezy” and nobody blinked an eye.

  • 174. dead rabbit  |  December 19, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/9/prweb11112753.htm

    Oh cool. This is a little write up back in September from the WHITE HOUSE PRESS CONFERENCE that kicked off the gay porn angle of Obamacare recruitment. Valerie Jarrett, Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius were there.

    And I can’t believe Duck Dynasty beardo was so uncouth. I mean….LBGT commuties from day one have been nothing but classy when expressing there views in the public sphere.

  • 175. dead rabbit  |  December 19, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    holy shit, huck……

  • 176. poolman  |  December 19, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    POTENTIAL CONSUMERS. That’s us, baby. U S A! U S A!

  • 177. Huck  |  December 19, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    I’m gonna go ahead and make this statement right now just so it’s out there….

    Obama and his supporters, Rutherford included, do not get to later count people who have lost their insurance as a result of ObamaCare as people who have gained insurance under ObamaCare.

    That number comes off the top.

    …that is all.

  • 178. Alfie  |  December 19, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Obama gay stacking the Olympics entourage…bold FP ploy or just silliness on par with the Games?

  • 179. Huck  |  December 19, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    “Obama gay stacking the Olympics entourage…bold FP ploy or just silliness on par with the Games?”

    An Obama-level attempt to try and get back a shred of credibility after being completely destroyed by Putin earlier this year.

    Obama doesn’t do anything that isn’t designed specifically to try and make himself look better. Promoting his self image is ALWAYS his #1 priority and motivation.

  • 180. Noah  |  December 19, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    Phil Robertson gets kicked off the show for his opinion while Oprah wishes death on a race and gets a Nobel prize.

    Here’s your sign!

  • 181. Huck  |  December 19, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    I just read the Duck Dynasty family statement on the matter. They are basically saying the show aint happening without him and are in talks with A&E regarding the future of the show.

    LMAO. Talk about a miscalculation. Time for the network to decide which comes first, their principles or their bottom line.

    I could not care less about the show, as I don’t watch it. Nor could I not care less about what some TV guy has to say about gay people…or anything else, for that matter. If I cared about what celebrities think about social and political issues I’d never be able to watch a movie or television ever again.

    But I am so fucking sick of this outrage that people feel the need to show any time someone says something that hurts their feelings.

  • 182. Raji  |  December 20, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Tex@166 The Lib Creed: Condemn Duck Dynasty for speaking their minds; applaud Miley Cyrus for twerking her’s.”

    Huck@181 But I am so fucking sick of this outrage that people feel the need to show any time someone says something that hurts their feelings.”

    I am in full agreement with Tex and Huck. This is what they call news?

  • 183. parker  |  December 20, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Once again we learn that where you stand depends on where you sit:

    Or as they said in my primary school, “Let’s you and him fight!”

  • 184. muffy  |  December 20, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    “But I am so fucking sick of this outrage that people feel the need to show any time someone says something that hurts their feelings.”

    It’s hard to pick a winner here but this I think is the crux of the problem, along with the lines having become completely blurred between celebrity and politics.

  • 185. muffy  |  December 20, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Oprah wishes death on a race. What’s the quote being referred to here? Because this – “There are still generations of people, older people, who were born and bred and marinated in it, in that prejudice and racism, and they just have to die” – ISN’T wishing death on anyone and IS TRUE!

  • 186. muffy  |  December 20, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    If its true that Walmart could give their workers a $6 raise without raising prices if they stop their stock yearly buyback – then they should do it.

    And if they have to raise their prices they shouldn’t let that stop them either. The money would go right back into Walmart from the looks of things. The people in that video don’t look like they CAN afford to foot the bill for the raise but they could if they got the raise.

  • 187. muffy  |  December 20, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    “yearly stock buyback”

  • 188. muffy  |  December 20, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Maybe we need to stop encouraging government to be our consciences. Maybe we also need to make some changes so that working yields more profit than staying home.

  • 189. Tex Taylor  |  December 20, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Peter Schiff is too smart for American politics. Did you watch those NY/CT Libbies pulling the straight ‘D’ clam up tight as a torqued vise? :twisted:

    Progressives are abject phonies in too many ways to count – none more obvious than when asked to add to the public coffers out of their own pocket and face-to-face.

    They start blubbering…

    You guys remember Al Gore and Joe Biden’s contributions to charity. And libs turn the blind eye – another measure of phoniness. Their duplicity.

  • 190. El Tigre  |  December 20, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Pulling the lever is how they purge their consciences.

  • 191. Tex Taylor  |  December 20, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    Obama doesn’t do anything that isn’t designed specifically to try and make himself look better. Promoting his self image is ALWAYS his #1 priority and motivation.

    Absolutely. Great wisdom in that observation, Huck.

    Like I’ve said from the beginning of Obama, and there have been a million others saying the same thing, Obama is first and foremost a malignant narcissist. He feeds on adulation – the only measurable talent the scripted speech appealing to the shallow American. Obama’s hey day was the Denver stage – a man so terribly shallow, he allowed himself to believe himself divine. How low this feckless man has been brought.

    Even Rutherford has got to recognize by now that BO’s an insecure bumpkin when the curtain pulled, now fully cognizant in the fact he’s unqualified to be President. But Obama’s massive yet fragile ego and megalomania can’t accept that fact. Freud would have had a field day with Barack Obama.

    Add to the fact, Obama is childish. Obama is a petty SOB. Putin has beaten him again and again. Loading up with the homosexuals for the Olympic delegation demonstrates what small man Obama really is. He lashes out like a toddler and is incapable of one upping a clever thug, without the class to be a bigger man. Obama’s rancid upbringing has been on completely display these past couple of years.

    Guaranteed Putin is laughing his ass off at Obama behind the scenes. Putin is more clever and more capable than Obama. That’s a scary thought considering Russia is still sitting on the perhaps biggest nuclear arsenal in the world.

  • 192. poolman  |  December 20, 2013 at 1:29 pm

  • 193. dead rabbit  |  December 20, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    This is what pisses me off about Wallmart’s. They lobby hard for this:

    http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/specissue.php?bid=55068&id=D000000367&year=2007

    So…in reality…..the workers are already getting that 15 percent raise. The problem is the middle class is paying for it and not effing Wallmart. It’s a vicious circle in which the middle class gets fucked and society is marginalized.

    That’s what I hate about our system. They always get us one way or the other. Making it worse, dumb ass libs like Rutherford think they are fighting for the little guy with the societal cancer they spread in the form of welfare.

    …if it was up to me, we would cut SNAP by 60% tomorrow. If the workers grow real balls, and unionize, I say go for it. Play a game of chicken with Wallmart. Since taxes are now lower, and business is starting to thrive, there very well may be a labor shortage. Workers win. Before you know it, the couple working at Wallmart can now afford their cable bill and smart phone that the tax payer has hitherto paid for.

    Chinese shit would be more expensive but my taxes would go down and hopefully offset it. Meanwhile, dignity would rain down like manna on the working poor who are practically forced to be dependent on Nanny despite working.

    With Chinese shit more expensive, maybe we might see the return of American manufacturing. Detroit actually has a real Renaissance.

    Cut the welfare, I tells you! Best way to say fuck you to Wallmart.

  • 194. muffy  |  December 20, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Time to mute the president.

  • 195. muffy  |  December 20, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    He’s so full of shit. YOU LIE!

  • 196. muffy  |  December 20, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    I agree with everything you said in #193 rabbit except I think Walmart should get out in front of the unions.

  • 197. dead rabbit  |  December 20, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    “I think Walmart should get out in front of the unions.”

    In a way, I agree with you. If they can, fire them all the minute they strike and hire new people. If they can’t…well….pay up.

  • 198. Rutherford  |  December 20, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Dammit Huck I’ve got that lamb song stuck in my head. Do you know how ridiculous it is for a 52 year old man to walk around the house singing “this is a motherfucking invitation, you try me”?

  • 199. Rutherford  |  December 20, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    “Obama and his supporters, Rutherford included, do not get to later count people who have lost their insurance as a result of ObamaCare as people who have gained insurance under ObamaCare.”

    You saw that coming heh?

  • 200. Rutherford  |  December 20, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Noah you lost me on Oprah but yes there is definitely a double standard at play.

    BTW I’ve been way out of the loop. I’m only just catching up on the Duck Dynasty “controversy”.

  • 201. Rutherford  |  December 20, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    “But I am so fucking sick of this outrage that people feel the need to show any time someone says something that hurts their feelings.”

    This may surprise you but I agree it has gotten out of hand. Alec Baldwin, Martin Bashir and Mr. Duck (Robinson? Robertson?) should live or die on ratings.

    But from a civil rights POV it is interesting that gays have finally joined blacks and Jews as the classes protected FROM free speech.

  • 202. Rutherford  |  December 20, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Is there any minority that it’s safe to insult anymore?

  • 203. Huck  |  December 20, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    “Dammit Huck I’ve got that lamb song stuck in my head. Do you know how ridiculous it is for a 52 year old man to walk around the house singing “this is a motherfucking invitation, you try me”?”

    Catchy, aint it? I did the exact same thing.

  • 204. Huck  |  December 20, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    “You saw that coming heh?”

    After years of “jobs saved and created”, who didn’t see it coming.

    “Is there any minority that it’s safe to insult anymore?”

    Men.

  • 205. dead rabbit  |  December 20, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    I’m so sick of Rutherford’s “he means well” excuse as he isolates himself in his apartment with MSNBC on the boob tube.

    Rutherford…..come on man. Read Krauthammer’s piece and tell me why torches should not be making pitchforks shine in the cold night?

    You helped do this. How do feel about that?

  • 206. dead rabbit  |  December 20, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    ….I just got done watching the O’Reilly Factor for the first time in a a year or two.

    Well…..if O’Reilly is correct about what the union is doing in terms of a molester teacher I’m going to have my own Duck Dynasty moment in January at work.

    It will be a miracle if I make it until retirement. I can’t stand administration, can’t stand the union, can’t stand liberal educational policy, can’t stand Republican educational policy….I’m hated from every direction at work and I am incapable of not mocking everything at staff meetings. If this was a baseball team, I’d be the classic club house cancer. Part of it stems from a personal flaw….I hate authority. The only thing that saves me is at work I’m the ultimate man of the people. The kids and parents like me but the sad truth is I’m even bored shitless with them, these days.

    Summers off. Tons of Christmas and Easter time off. Snow days off. That is why I do it folks. Hate me all you want. I do it for three reasons. June. July. And August.

  • 207. Tex Taylor  |  December 20, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Rabbit, you’re hitting about the age I started to have my doubts about career paths…

    You can join me in retirement and make sport of Graychin – it’s like a lazy man’s hunting and fishing. Old Larry Graychin has now threatened me with defamation suits by his team of crack lawyers on two boards. :lol:

    The more he threatens, the more I pour I on the boiling water to see the burn – I feel the same tingle Chris Matthews did. Literally orgasmic…

  • 208. Rutherford  |  December 20, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    “Hate me all you want. I do it for three reasons. June. July. And August.”

    Hey I hear you. This is the first year of MY LIFE that I’ve had to work every fucking holiday. I’ve taken zero days off and with almost a year in the tank, I’ve only earned 3 days off which I’m saving for away gymnastics meets. I get no sick days. You’re sick? You don’t get paid.

    Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck! :-(

  • 209. dead rabbit  |  December 20, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    Ha ha. If I retired right now you would have a new room mate who drinks milk from the carton and forgets to close out porn site windows online. Oh yeah….the MLB full package on Uverse would be a must.

  • 210. Rutherford  |  December 20, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    Tex you’ve got a wonderful wife and two beautiful smart daughters. I don’t envy that. I’ve got my own.

    But …

    I do envy your financials. To be my age and be so hopelessly in debt that retirement is a total fantasy. Damn that pisses me off. And if you’d known me just 15 years ago you’d be scratching your head. I was generous to a fault but otherwise as frugal as a motherfucker. There was no way I’d end up like this.

    It’s so bad I’ve contemplated buying lotto tickets … the sure mark of a financial loser.

  • 211. dead rabbit  |  December 20, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    Rutherford, this may seem to be a weird request with all my Belky Bombs I throw your way, but will you try to remind me of the real world every now and then so that I shut the fuck up at work.

    I remember jealously hating on people who get to work in a heated or air conditioned building. Driving the dump truck to the dump was a privilege because you got to sit own for a half hour. The old me would kick this new soft bitch me’s ass.

  • 212. dead rabbit  |  December 20, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    LOL…..Rutherford, now that you are a fellow loser, you need to learn our survival methods. We don’t buy lotto tickets for financial reasons. We buy the dream, maaan.

    A dollar for a extra size portion of irrational hope? You can’t beat it. Its a steal.

  • 213. poolman  |  December 20, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    I love my job. It has paid better fiat in years past, but the work brings me pleasure. I don’t like working for corporations, even though they’re people and all. Assholes are people too, my friend.

  • 214. Tex Taylor  |  December 21, 2013 at 2:10 am

    Ah, Rutherford. You’ve got an inflated perception of both my net worth and satisfaction. Yes, I’ve got a wife I don’t deserve and two gorgeous daughters that are too good to be true, and I’ve had thoughts that beauty and intellect couldn’t have been from these worthless loins, but…

    I haven’t talked to my friends in a while, so let me share:

    Let me explain why things are not so rosy for us “upper middle class folk”, if interested. You were there once…and it can disappear like a fart in the wind.

    Though my wife has an excellent job, it’s not so good that she can afford to pay out of pocket for four separate living residences (property and insurance, plus expense for the home residence). My youngest daughter’s expenses of more than $3,000 a month now are bleeding us dry once again. Even in Texas, probably 50% of my wife’s income is gone to the winds of Caesar, living and healthcare before she sees a dime. Throw in the 10% deferment for savings and spending accounts – you’re starting with less. Much less.

    Neither of my children make a dime, so all of the expenses are still ours.

    My youngest takes student loans to pay for the tuition of out of state doctorate degree – and you know to whom that burden will eventually fall. If we really left this burden to my youngest daughter (remembering my wife already footing the largest part), she would immediately walk out of college with a 30 year mortgage and no house for the troubles. Since my oldest will be an M.D. most likely married to an M.D. and on a full ride, that’s one thing about payback of living expenses. But the baby might (and I do mean might) make $60-70K upon exit with these feckless instructors promising a $100K year. Baloney – all of us with a professional degree here know that. That won’t pay back $200K in loans.

    College education is so outrageously overpriced, I don’t know how anybody but the truly rich really affords it anymore for more than one kid at a time.

    I’m with the family approximately 20% of the time a year (in my 3rd year med student’s case – 2%), and doing the wood floor was perhaps the first time in two years I’ve felt relevant and useful. Mickey the pup is my closest acquaintance 22 days out of the month.

    Things are not as rosy as they seem.

    If I really thought the chances of me getting a job even half equivalent to making what I used to make were there, without having to work for some 30 something punk with a chip on his shoulder making my life a living hell, I would be where you are…busting ass and attempting to hold my tongue, for no other reason to have cash in my pocket and feel useful again. If it weren’t for my wife having 30 days of vacation and knowing fully well that this can’t go on for much longer for no other reason than the company has to know they could pay someone else half the wage and still probably get the job done, albeit not as well as my wife (well respected and liked), she’s one step behind your wife.

    If I make so much as $1,000.00, I’m then required to file Oklahoma state taxes combined with my wife’s income. With all in her name even the dividends, the day my wife wises up and runs my ass off, I’m toast. She better love me because of the arrangement, she holds every card but my own 401k. I have become a very educated homemaker that happens to be able to not only dust floors but lay floors. :neutral: Trust me – my legacy is not exactly what I had planned 20 years ago with all those pieces of expensive paper.

    And I’ve come to a startling conclusion. My blood is blue – as in blue collar. I had no business being in an office to begin with – no wonder I couldn’t stand those pussy frat boys and told them to kiss my ass.

    I’ve put pencil to paper and unless I immediately make professional wages, it ain’t worth it to even make the attempt when gas, clothes, time, and the rest of the hidden costs are factored in. Then to put up with the stiffs? I’d be dead in six months or in prison. I can’t suffer the fools anymore.

    And do any of us really know what it is going to take to retire with the way things are going, contrary to what the “experts” are telling us? I still contend the entire economic situation is a facade and this bubble bursting will make 2008 look like a soft pillow. While the market was up 23% this year, mine was up 2% – as usual, I guessed wrong. But I slept well.

    Merry Christmas, my old friend. But never live under the illusion Tex is living the life of comfort. It’s easy – and unsatisfying. It’s soft – and its lonely. The only thing keeping me from depression is the the prison sentence is close to being over. Three years max. I do it for the wife I love and the children I am responsible. I don’t allow myself to socialize because I’ve found even being the unemployed loser, there’s still plenty of lonely women willing and able if you bathe. I don’t need the temptation and the libido still there.

    There are other problems greater than even a shortage of money as I’ve discovered. One day, perhaps I will share them – as misery loves company.

    Truly “R”, even here things are tough all over. You and your Mrs. hang tough and I’ll be there with you.

  • 215. Tex Taylor  |  December 21, 2013 at 2:27 am

    Oh. One other thing “R” and friends. Let me tell you what a spouse 500 miles away can do for you. $23K in travel expenses last year, back and forth between airfare and car.

    I have two vehicles sitting the driveway with over 400,000 miles between the two of them that really should be replaced. Yes, we have a newer car in an emergency that gathers dust in the garage, but I use that going out of town, because I wouldn’t drive the truck two blocks out of the city.

    See “R”? Your “rich friends” still in Connecticut may think they’ve got it made – they have no idea how easily they can lose it. You do. And I do.

  • 216. Tex Taylor  |  December 21, 2013 at 3:04 am

    I went into a mall tonight with my wife for perhaps the first time in three years. The last time was about a two minute trip in one door and back out to buy luggage and disappear into the night.

    I know I’ve lived a sheltered life the last ten years, but my how things have changed.

    Can some of you younger stud muffins explain to me what is “eye brow threading?” :twisted: I’m not sure what that means, but there was a host of queer looking boys in stretch pants and Peter Pan shoes, or saggy pants that I guess they shit themselves and forgot to empty, attempting to look like men along with the pierced young ladies trying their best to look grown up. This is not some hipster mall – it’s the largest mall in OK, I think. I felt like I had a flashing red light on the top of my head announcing I was from the stone age and my wife had on her Marion the Librarian reading glasses she wears on the tip of her nose to read the Christmas list.

    Then my wife drags me into some other Queer eye store for my nephew’s gift card (Pac Sun or something) that smelled of cheap cologne and more tatted Mexicans hung with their “diversified”, pregnant girl friends in tow, playing Kanye West or some other untalented thug on the box. Some uncouth twit stepped in front of us, with my wife whispering, “Put a sock in it tough guy.”

    There comes a time friends where you recognize the world has passed you by. Our grandfathers knew it; our dads knew it. Now, I know it.

    And the surprising conclusion to all of that is you are really glad you are no longer part of that world – it looked much different and much uglier than the world I remember: decadent and cheap.

    For my children’s sake, I tried to stay current – music and the like. I did a better job than my own old man, but apparently wasn’t completely successful.

    If what I saw tonight is representative of the new generation, this country is seriously in trouble. What are the stink beards waiting for? Good thing for technology. Those battle tested dumbasses could cake walk through us if they had half a brain.

  • 217. dead rabbit  |  December 21, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Ha ha. Tex, while nobody likes going on a rant about today’s young bucks more then me, don’t let the mall be their litmus test.

    Its like a can of frozen sissy concentrate there. I’ve step foot in one maybe 3 times in the last 20 years. Even in my twenties I became confused with whatever sub culture vibe that rang out in the mall.

    Its true they are much more effeminate now days and about 5 years delayed in terms of maturity. But there are some upsides. In the last 6 years I’ve seen some changes. They are closer to their families, believe it or not. And they have become more conservative.

    Some of them are wising up and realizing 75 percent of the degrees are a sham. I hear many more of them picking out bad ass trade schools. They all come to me now because I don’t bite my tongue anymore when the blue collar knucklehead who fixes my brakes in auto class is being pressured into going in terrible debt because Mrs Crabtree thinks the ultimate triumph is a college degree in the liberal arts.

    They have also stepped up big when it comes to the military.

    Considering they now lose their innocence at the age of 7 thanks to this depraved internet, the lack of opportunity the worst it has been in three or four generations and crippling debt that the Boomer thief generation enslaved them with, its a good thing they aren’t radicalized and angry alphas. That mall you went to would remind you much more like Belfast in the 1980s instead of whatever the fuck it is now days.

  • 218. James  |  December 21, 2013 at 10:54 am

    All I can write about the personal lives some of you have shared is I hope next year treats you better. A local farmer said “drive around any town and look at the nice homes with well-manicured lawns and nice vehicles parked in two car garages. Something is wrong in every house. Maybe it is a disease, drinking, or money problems. Maybe the family isn’t getting along. Whatever it is, something is wrong in every house” I never forgot that.

    We finally have some money and freedom, but our lives are different from what we expected. We had planned to be in Alaska or Iceland last summer, but instead, we have become nomads with no real home.We can’t even see our son and daughter-in law in California. Our bags are always packed, because we live in Omaha five days a week and are at home only on weekends unless someone gets a day off.

    We have had to disengage from our community and we communicate with friends and associates via cell phone.Even attending a party is a chore. Our daughter quit early so my wife and i could attend our Historical Society history party, and one of her bosses yelled at her. Our daughter was angry because her boss’s outburst was unfair.

    I decorated our Christmas tree, and my wife and daughter asked why I bothered. It will set lonely on Christmas day, and we won’t see much of it until it is time to take it down,. I did it to prove to myself that the house we have lived in since 1981 is still our home.

    I am still a volunteer weather observer, but since I’m not home friends and neighbors tell me what is happening when precipitation falls, and I guess at the temperatures based on neighboring observations.

    Two friends have life-threatening diseases, but we can’t even be sure we can attend their funerals if they die.

    However, this is one of the best times of our lives. We are healthy, even after being hit by a train. We are saving our grand daughter’s parents about $8,000. per year, and we are making a difference in our grand daughter’s future,.

    She was a complete surprise, and doctors imagined almost everything bad that could happen would. Our daughter even considered abortion and talked to some people. A little good news would precede even worse news. Our daughter and grand daughter might both die.

    After her birth, our grand daughter had charitably speaking, a little pin head, and one side of her face was too flat. Doctors shared the dire future of a micro encephelic and started testing. Everything was negative, so they proposed an MRI scan and genetic test.

    Neither parent was emotionally predisposed for a baby they never wanted, and though they cared about her, they were a bit distant and didn’t talk much to her. My wife and I were desperate to fire up our grand daughter’s heurons in as short a time as possible, and we filled her with forumla to make her brain grow, and we stimulated the h.. out of her. Her parents followed our example, and our daughter began reading the news to her baby.

    Our daughter became sick with an infection, and her husband had a growth removed from his esophegos. He has other medical problems they don’t talk about. I think our daughter might eventually be a widow. Our son-in law’s parents live four hours away, and they planned to take spend time with the baby to relieve us. Our son-in law’s father is a minister who has served for about 38 years.Now, he has heart failure and has to cut back his schedule. They will spend a week with the family after Christmas.

    The shape of our grand daughter’s head is almost normal, and her head is in the fifth percentile on the Bell curve of normal size. She was as high as tenth percentile. But the doctors have not suggested any more tests for now.

    Except for weekends, and occasional vacations, my wife and I see our grand daughter more often than her parents do. Maybe it is genetics, or a combination with environment, but stimulation has had an effect. Our grand daughter likes everyone, she smiles so often one of our daughter’s friends asked “do you even have a picture where she isn’t smiling?” Our grand daughter is six months old and she knows how to work a camera and a crowd.

    She has a ruhdementary sense of humor. For example, sometimes, she will push the bottle out of her mouth, and she will then pull it back. The first time it happened, I looked down at a gummy broad smile. She was having me on. Her behavior puzzled her father until we explained it.

    Our grand daughter is now experimenting with solid food. She wants to use the spoon herself. When she tests cause and effect and drops her spoon or toy, if I am close enough she grabs my sleeve and pulls my arm down as she appears to ask me to pick up what she dropped.

    When she is unhappy, she grouses and looks me straight in the eye as if to say “fix it.”

    Our daughter who has now bonded with her little person says “she is so cute. Was I this way?” A seven month old baby was at a party we attended last night after we got home. She was cute and intelligent but the little girl didn’t engage with people as our grand daughter does. She just stared. She did try to reach for my camera, but not with the determination our grand daughter does even with strangers.

    Our grand daughter would have grabbed a bystander’s finger and pushed it up and down as part of her “up and down game.” She would have been laughing and “speaking.”

    Our grand daughter still has problems.She doesn’t seem to be able to lift her hips to allow her to crawl. It frustrates her, but she is learning to roll across the room as my cousin did. Her nasal passages are too small, and she snuffles. Doctors say she will be prone to ear infections. No one can tell us what if any ramifications her small head size will bring, and we have no clue about whether or not her emotional and intellectual development will continue to progress.

    All we can say is we have given it our best shot, and our grand daughter is another reason we are glad the train didn’t kill us.This is our future for at least the next five years baring surprises. Life is good for now.

  • 219. James  |  December 21, 2013 at 10:56 am

    We were in a mall before Christmas when our children were teenagers. A security guard approached and said “sir, I have to ask you not to cock your cap that way.” My cap was on at an angle, and it was some sort of gang signal or ID. Our son still teases me about that.

  • 220. El Tigre  |  December 21, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Rabbit, sounds like you believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside and give them a sense of pride to make it easier.

    We’re fucked. :lol:

    Around here it’s the narcissism and materialism that the inner grumpy guy gets depressed about. Not just in the way grumpy guys have complained about for generations. Waaaaay over the top.

    Maybe you’re right though. Reality could well correct that. And reality is a coming.

    Still I have met some young college students and lawyers that impressed me — wouldn’t be caught dead in a mall. Funny that. they never seem to be Obama worshipers. It’s own litmus test.

    Will there more or less that would’ve been standing wide-eyed under the piñata in 2008, waiting for the candy rain down on them as Obama swung the bat?

  • 221. Tex Taylor  |  December 21, 2013 at 11:38 am

    A local farmer said “drive around any town and look at the nice homes with well-manicured lawns and nice vehicles parked in two car garages. Something is wrong in every house.

    Great letter, James. The patriarch and matriarch of the family – I would love to meet you and your wife. You read very special people. I hope my wife and I can fulfill that role one day.

    Absolutely right. As I have told me kids, there is no such thing as a perfect marriage and you don’t find a soul mate. Those are made over a great many years. All families have problems – even the filthy rich. I really have it pretty good, but I was just relaying to Rutherford things are not always as they seem.

    The decade of the late 80s and 90s were the highlight of my life. Little went wrong. We had money, two beautiful and healthy kids, good jobs. In retrospect, I took too much for granted as we all do. But…and here is the kicker. I was so busy being what I was supposed to be to all people, I never had much time to enjoy it.

    And yet, this last few years, I’ve learned a wonderful lesson. Don’t take yourself so seriously. Don’t beat yourself up so bad. You got it better than 95% of the world. And in the very most important aspects of life, we’ve been abundantly blessed.

    My wife stayed up late last night. She never does that. My children are now 24 and 23. She could barely hold her eyes open. My youngest is home, my oldest on her way with her steady to Corpus Christi to learn to salt water fish. I am now second fiddle for man in her life.

    About 1:00 AM, she gets the call my oldest safe and sound after five hours of driving. The old gal smiled at me, hugged me, told me she loved me, and said, “My children are were they are now supposed to be. Now I can go to sleep.”

    That is what life is really all about.

  • 222. Tex Taylor  |  December 21, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Rabbit, :lol:

    You’re another I’m determined to meet. Damn, you remind me of my brother-in-law; perhaps the biggest hoot I know and perhaps my dearest friend.

    That letter was half truthful, half cocked. I realized somewhere out there, there was a great group of young men and women protecting me and mine that I don’t get to meet, but you know they are there. Ones that don’t aimlessly wander the malls.

    We’ve cheated this younger generation and sold them a bill of goods. Trade school is where I should have gone. My ego wouldn’t allow it, and besides, it is every parent’s dream to have a college graduate for a kid. My old man, not having a clue to a trade, would have thought me the flunky.

    But I still think the country’s best days are behind her – at least for a good, long time. We’ve dumped a load of baggage and debt, and now our children will be good for it. I’m frankly ashamed to be called a Baby Boomer – a title I think unfair as I too have suffered their excesses, being I’m at the back of the pack.

  • 223. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 21, 2013 at 11:49 am

    “A local farmer said “drive around any town and look at the nice homes with well-manicured lawns and nice vehicles parked in two car garages. Something is wrong in every house.”

    That resonated with me. I’m going to use that one.

  • 224. Tex Taylor  |  December 21, 2013 at 11:58 am

    I think this Duck Dynasty brouhaha is too humorous. What this Phil Robertson guy said is standard Christian fare and no more. There was nothing particularly offensive, unless you can’t handle anatomical talk.

    You may not agree with it, but what the guy said is scriptural. And scripture too is blunt.

    What it really boils down to is this. THese GLAAD fascists are rank cowards. What they refuse to admit is what they really oppose is Christian morality, perhaps any morality they themselves don’t get to define.

    It forces them to confront what they are really living and when the talk gets blunt, they can’t hide the fact that two men are not compatible like a man and a woman.

    That’s just the way nature says it is gang. There is no denying it. And I believe GLAAD will rue the day they didn’t let sleeping dogs lie.

  • 225. parker  |  December 21, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Rutherford,

    In my work I end up reading several financial and investing newspapers every day. Here is a quote I thought would resonate with you.

    From the WSJ: “Andrew Huszar was the former official at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York who actually put the central bank’s first QE (money-printing) program into operation in 2009.

    “He led his opinion piece with the words, “I can only say: I’m sorry, America.”

    “He went on to say: ‘The central bank continues to spin QE as a tool for helping Main Street, but I’ve come to recognize the program for what it really is: the greatest backdoor Wall Street bailout of all time.'”

    I am truly sorry for the financial situation in which you and several others on your board find yourselves, and while I don’t usually make excuses for myself or others, I believe that it is unquestionably not your fault.

    Through the expediency of lies and half-truths, your country has managed to put into office the most feckless, incompetent, dishonest, and, unfortunately, cynical human beings in North America. Simply, you have been lied to about the path to prosperity – just like the Cubans, Albanians, Russians, Angolans, etc. were, and the results will be no different. History can be very instructive, but only if you read it.

    Very few have the financial expertise to have seen through the promises, the lies, and you are no more to blame than a patient with a botched operation is to blame for not quizzing his surgeon more thoroughly about the fine points of surgery. At some point you have to trust the experts; yours have lied to you.

    They will continue to lie to you, promoting class warfare and telling you that the problem is that those with money must be forced to disgorge it, for the government to give to those who have not.

    Unfortunately, your country is not in bad-enough shape yet to see through the ruse; god help you all until enough wise up to make the change that must come if you are to survive.

  • 226. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 21, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    I think its hilarious too.

    And a good thing.

    GLAAD and A&E jumped the gun so quick that they unwisely shined a massive spot light on the elephant in the room.

    The constant attack on the first amendment has been out of control for about 15 years now.

    We have seen it here at this blog. I will never forget, for example, what the left attempted to do over Giffords shooting. I will never forget how even people like Rutherford, one of the staunchest 1st amendment guys I know, fell right in with the herd. It all evaporated quickly when we found out who Loughner really was. But for two days it was absolutely chilling. It was a coup attempt on free speech.

    There is a strong force on the left to shut anyone up they don’t agree with.

    Luckily, the left doesn’t truly believe in much. So, their censorship and attempts to literally control the words we can and can’t use always comes down to power. Hence, Harry Reid gets away with a description of Obama that would have ended the career of any conservative.

    Take this press conference yesterday, Obama used the phrase “crack the whip” when speaking about the contractors who fucked up the website. I remember thinking the left in this country so insane that had George Bush used that euphemism, Rutherford’s MSNBC would attack him for it. Insanity.

    Yet, liberal hypocrisy will always be there downfall. Always.

    Plain and simple, at the end of the day we have every right to think the act of homosexuality both disgusting and immoral. It doesn’t mean I hate the fag. I’d help him get his his car out of a snow bank like anyone else.

  • 227. poolman  |  December 21, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    My wife is going to start homeschooling my oldest grandson using the online program the state provides. He is very smart and talented, but needs one-on-one attention or he doesn’t do well. His younger brother is like the classroom leader, everyone wants to follow what he does. As long as his present teacher uses that to his/her advantage, the room goes well. It is just too frustrating to try to get through the public education system when so little resources are available to the teachers and they are given such huge student loads and test burdens. Most give it a full on effort, but at the end of the day, still lack the coverage needed. I know a lot of good teachers and they all express that same frustration. Maybe funding would be easier obtained if we labeled them all ‘future potential UAV pilots’. Joystick junkies. They all excel at video games.

    The youngest grandson is almost 4 months and is cutting teeth both top and bottom, much to my daughter’s dismay. He hasn’t let her put him down in two days. He started out on what seems a fast track to maturity. I have noticed the trend with other babies. This one is standing and bounces with a little help, ready to take off. He was holding his own head up within a week and has been trying desperately to communicate, making all kinds of squawks and sounds. He is constantly trying to figure out everything going on around him. His eyes are bright and filled with wonder.

    Kids are so cool. Unlimited in potential, until our society indoctrinates them as to what norms are. They are so searching for role models, and our society has plenty, though few are good ones. I think we have made some very wrong decisions in stressing college and career. We should invest much more time and resources in the youth of today.

  • 228. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 21, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    “Through the expediency of lies and half-truths, your country has managed to put into office the most feckless, incompetent, dishonest, and, unfortunately, cynical human beings in North America.”

    I wonder if we’re just seeing the natural cycle of life and death of a political system play out. The down side of democracy. The system has the life span of the small breeds of dog. And they all die from the same disease. It’s not l;like we were not warned. The founding fathers, students of the Roman Republic, were straight up about the inherent weakness of this system. Started promising people free shit to get elected and it eventually implodes.

    I get so angry at Rutherford and the libs when I think about what Obamacare really is. They are attempting to force young people to buy insurance that is over priced by design. Forcing them to support an older generation that has already fucked them over. Stealing the one last thing they had. Their health.

    Of course, socialism never works and ends up nothing more then a command economy. And command Obama sure does. Seconds after reminding us of the importance of rule of law when dealing with Snowden he tells us how rule of law should not hold him back when it comes to Obamacare. 14 changes to the law by monarchical fiat.

  • 229. Tex Taylor  |  December 21, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    I think home schooling a wonderful alternative, but tough. It’s a shame a grandma has to take on the load that once was taken for granted and done well, Poolman. Your grandson will benefit.

    What I don’t get is why everyone can’t agree what is really wrong with public education these days. It’s not funding – a had 35 kids in my 6th grade public education class in 1971 and we were doing trig and base 2 mathematics, our parents paid for our lunches, and the teachers and principal ruled the roost with the parent’s blessing. It worked.

    There’s bad teachers and crap administration, but for the most part that is not the general rule. Most teachers know their subjects, most administrators mean well. That’s a convenient excuse. Unions suck, but here in OK you can’t use the public school unions as excuse for the failures as they are weak.

    Why is society so scared to state the obvious truth?

    We’ve got a multitude of horrid excuses for parent(s) out there, a litigious society with schools running scared, and a bunch of people who can’t take responsibility for their own lives? Kids raising kids. I looked at those kids last night and thought, behind every threaded eye brow, is most likely a nightmare of a parent.

    I don’t care if you have the world’s best educator in the classroom. If mom’s delinquent and dad not around, the kid not cared for or poorly fed without instruction, amoral and unsupervised, basically the teacher becomes the guardian and no more.

  • 230. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 21, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    ” It is just too frustrating to try to get through the public education system when so little resources are available to the teachers”

    I don’t see it that way. What resources would help? Wifi in the classroom? Ipads? A raise in pay for Rabbit?

    Money isn’t the problem.

    I could do this job in a cave with a camp fire.

    It’s bad policy and culture.

    The worst thing that can happen when we have an erosion of culture is the federal government taking control away from local level. Thus, a proverbial cigarette butt is smashed out in the last few pockets that have values and instead force fed square pegs in a round hole.

  • 231. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 21, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Homeschooling is 50% disastrous (and boy do I mean disastrous) 50% huge success.

    That being said, it almost never works at the high-school level. The most well meaning of parents usually give up around 9th grade.

    Now, the homeschool conservative types would jump down my throat on this one (and they might have some good points) but many of the home-schooled kids that show up in my class have major problems adjusting socially. (Again…not fitting in might be a good thing).

    Here is another odd thing I’ve noticed….they are often physically in bad shape. You can tell they haven’t played much sports and are couch potatoes. They sometimes are major targets for being pushed around or they often seem very immature and can be quite clingy to me in the classroom. Again, their inability to fit in with a bunch of assholes might be a good thing in the long run.

    They usualy are pretty good kids though when it comes to morality. The majority are God fearing.

    Fully aware of Poolman’s lunacy and his dumb-headed confidence in said lunacy…..No offense Poolman….I predict disaster.

  • 232. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 21, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Oh….sorry…I thought Poolman was going to be the home teacher. I take back what I said.

    Man have I seen some homeschool disasters. You guys got me thinking about it.

    If the kids run rough shot on Mom while Dad works….its possible they show up not even knowing how to read at a first grade level. I’ve seen it probably 4 or 5 times. And they can’t handle any kind of structure….complete messes.

  • 233. poolman  |  December 21, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Can you really take back what you’ve said? What is it you teach?

  • 234. poolman  |  December 21, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    My daughters did the first few years homeschooling. I think it was Bob Jones university curriculum back then. My wife worked with them and stayed home. They did private school after that and then entered 3rd and 4th grades public school and subsequently graduated from public schools. They were good students and school was more a social affair and huge influence on their developing minds. I hold their early development as strong foundation for them as responsible and successful parents today.

  • 235. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 21, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Poolman…you are new kind of disaster brought upon us by the information revolution….a curious guy who loves learning but lacking either the intelligence or the discipline to discern reality from complete poppy cock. You are a conspiracy nut who pretends like you are outside of a box. Fear of randomness, influence from B movies and absolutely no belief in coincidence makes you the perfect Alex Jones rube. I wouldn’t want you anywhere near my kid in terms of education.

    That being said, considering these fucked up times….perhaps you wack jobs are better then the braying sheep. I can’t tell.

  • 236. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 21, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    ” I hold their early development as strong foundation for them as responsible and successful parents today.”

    Agreed.

  • 237. poolman  |  December 21, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Rabbit, you just don’t question authority enough. Society’s bred it out of you, I suppose. I don’t do anything because simon says. I am a good teacher. If God wills and the kids want, I’ll be happy to teach them all I know about pools and then some. It is the family business. :grin:

  • 238. poolman  |  December 21, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Pandora’s box has been opened rabbit. It can’t go back.

  • 239. dead rabbit  |  December 21, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    You replaced one authority with another one. And while your new authority doesn’t jibe with the old one, a dunce follower you remain.

    The fact you are susceptible to platitudes was obvious around here back in 08 when you were one of many caught up in the cheer leading for Hope and Change bumper sticker garbage. There is no way a true critical thinker at the age of 50 could ever fall for such cloying crap.

    Dude….in a sense, your conspiracies require the same divorce from reality that caused you to played for a duped fool in 2008.

    Reality is not your friend. But keep on keeping on if it makes you feel “edgy”. If the village fool hates the king, he’s still a friend of mine despite the ridiculous jester hat.

  • 240. poolman  |  December 21, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Dude, talk about reality. I wasn’t here in 08. I think I showed December 2010. In 08, I thought we could fix things through the system and believed that some politicians actually had integrity. I have since changed my mind.

  • 241. Rutherford  |  December 21, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    “work for some 30 something punk with a chip on his shoulder making my life a living hell, I would be where you are…busting ass and attempting to hold my tongue,”

    You hit the nail on the head there old Tex. I got trained by a barely post-pubescent girl who bragged to us about her management training. I’m old enough to be her grandpa and could easily teach her a thing or two but I kept my mouth shut.

    Damn near got myself fired Thurs night cos some supervisor harassed me for being one minute late back from a break. ONE MINUTE! The more lowly the job the more petty it gets as someone tries to get their power jollies off you. I came soooo close to finding the sup in one of the chat rooms and giving her a piece of my mind. The rage was out of proportion to the insult. I told my wife I may need some anger management. The sup pissed me off beyond belief and I couldn’t shake the anger.

    It’s the damn emasculation of being a “resource” that gets plugged into a schedule. And the worst part … it’s the most productive I’ve been in 7 years.

    Heaven help me.

  • 242. muffy  |  December 21, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    I enjoyed the extended discourse you fellas had this morning. Fascinating mixture of insight, soul, humor and inner grumpy guy.

    Kids today. They need the same things that we did and as the years go by fewer and fewer receive it – mostly someone big who can’t go to sleep without knowing where their lambs are.

  • 243. muffy  |  December 21, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    I wish I could help Rutherford.

  • 244. Rutherford  |  December 21, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    Thanks Muffy. I’m just unloading. As Clarice says in “Rudolph” there’s always tomorrow for dreams to come true.

  • 245. parker  |  December 21, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    Jacqueline Kennedy famously said, kids need three things: love, security and DISCIPLINE.

    I have never seen anyone improve on that.

  • 246. poolman  |  December 21, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Control (government) has always been issue among humans. Today, it is much easier to kill a million people than control them. Everyone knows that life as we know it cannot go on as it currently does. The greater globe is awakening, yet most Americans are in denial. Still chasing that brass ring. Pie in the sky.

    Look at it this way, we’ve all lived a year beyond when the world was to have ended. If we have rather entered a new age, as some believe, then we should be prepared to adapt and change with any new realities when they manifest.

    Behold, all things are new…

  • 247. Rutherford  |  December 21, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    “it is every parent’s dream to have a college graduate for a kid”

    My grandmother thought a college degree was the ticket to success. When talking about some loon she had encountered she would say “how can he be so crazy, he went to college?” I could never disabuse her of the fact one thing had nothing to do with the other.

  • 248. Alfie  |  December 21, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Re education system I agree with rabbit there is a culture issue that bankrupts the system in more than a financial way.
    Sharing this piece from American Interest. I found it very interesting. It contrasts two of the youth literary moments in the past few years and latches onto certain political insights as well that I felt connected well with those in residence here. Please give it a gander…
    http://www.the-american-interest.com/articles/2013/12/14/remember-who-the-real-enemy-is/
    It looks at Harry Potter and the Hunger Games series I don’t think that serves as a spoiler,again check it out.

  • 249. Alfie  |  December 21, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    On a very personal level/note I have recently had to dial my eldest into the reality that my retirement takes precedent over his college education. He is still wrapping his head around exactly what that means. One thing it means is deferring his plans until he is eligible to be the only name on the dotted line of debt. It saddens me as a parent and as an American and I don’t mean either of those in a drama queen jingoism way that this is the reality. I know I’m in mass company regards this issue.

  • 250. dead rabbit  |  December 21, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    “The more lowly the job the more petty it gets as someone tries to get their power jollies off you. ”

    Man…..ain’t that the truth. Particularly in large outfits with a hierarchy. Military was pretty horrid in terms of that crap at times too.

    Roofing was probably the best when it came to that stuff. Closest to a true team you can find. Nobody ever pulled rank because we were all on the same page: finish the job and get the fuck out of there.

  • 251. Alfie  |  December 21, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    On a less deep note I finally got around to reading the GQ article and I have to say SHAME ON THE PSYCHO MILITANT GAY LOBBY AND THEIR HYPOCRITE ALLIES.

    Anyway if I don’t get around over the next couple of days I wish everyone here a Merry Christmas

  • 252. Tex Taylor  |  December 21, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    “The more lowly the job the more petty it gets as someone tries to get their power jollies off you. ”

    Man…..ain’t that the truth.

    Damn straight it is. In truth, “R” is a stronger man in at least one respect than I am. Whatever it is, whether desperation, dependence, or simply discipline …

    …I could not tolerate what Rutherford just did last Thursday. I’d have told the supervisor to eat it and walked out. I just can’t stand that petty crap anymore.

    Here’s my take on the grunts of Walmart. Know this for a fact as I observed it one early morning as some poor sap was emasculated for not moving fast enough – manager didn’t know I was listening and shut up when he realized it. It’s not the pay that is the main culprit – it’s the petty crap. Those stockers at night making $9.00 an hour? They literally are treated like dirt, timed on the number of items they stock by an automated count.

    What person in their right mind wants to work in an environment like that? An environment where one minute becomes an emergency?

  • 253. Rutherford  |  December 21, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    ” There was nothing particularly offensive, unless you can’t handle anatomical talk.”

    If you put aside his comments about pre-civil rights blacks, Robertson didn’t say anything my own mother hadn’t said to me and in equally graphic terms. She viewed gays as crazy, not as sinners. She used to say “any man who thinks an anus is a vagina is crazy”. LOL My “tolerance” is the result of self-reprogramming. My mother would never condone abusing gays but she did think they were nuts.

    LOL I also think she felt it was a bit contagious. She didn’t like the idea of kids being around gays.

  • 254. Rutherford  |  December 21, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Rabbit I’m not sure I get the immorality of homosexuality unless some sort of coercion is involved. But I do get the disgusting part. But I do say this, and pardon the graphics, but any dude who does anal with his wife and then claims disgust at homo acts ain’t thinking logically.

  • 255. dead rabbit  |  December 22, 2013 at 12:28 am

    Gayness is no more a sin then cheating on your wife or swinging.

    It’s not so much because the Bible says it. Its because my life experience always confirms what the Bible already says. Even stuff that seems stupid ends up burning you. At the very least the Bible is a barometer for when moderation is in order.

    Get too wrapped up in porn and you will suffer. Drink to much and you will suffer.

    I will admit. I’m Belky when it comes to gays. I don’t know many out of the closet homos. Out of the few I know, I’ve honestly never met one who didn’t suffer from terrible depression.

    When I was 18 years old we went to a fag bar to try to pick up lesbians. Genius, I know. All three lesbians there, as you can imagine, wanted nothing to do with us. The feeling was mutual.

    This dude came up to me and asked me to dance. It was the weirdest thing. He seemed kind of nervous. You would think I wouldn’t be so shocked since I was in a gay bar. I politely told him no thanks.

    Obviously, a straight club has some bad morality being displayed in plain view.

    The difference in this gay bar was that there were no checks to the depravity. I got the feeling every dude was going to get lucky (in their own sick way). And there lies one of the horrible sides of homosexual. Monogamy ain’t their thing. Because it doesn’t have to be. Hence entire parks and rest stops ruined by gays.

    Lesbians are trickier as I believe much more of them really are monogamous ( but depressed).

    I drank all night long with two hot lesbians in Reykjavik, making out with them at the same time. I kept buying them shots. Lets just say it was very obvious we all planed on going home together. Unfortunately, one of them got so drunk she got sick. I couldn’t believe how I fucked that one up! She ended up puking.

    This behavior by me wasn’t positive. Nothing good could come out of it except instant and shallow gratification.

    You know, even in my hey day of womanizing I felt disgusted after the “act”.

    Just the diseases alone from promiscuous sex proves the Bible right.

    The Bible never lets you down. That’s what is so amazing about it. Its got every stupid ass thing you can do covered. Its a great road map for a good life in the long run.

  • 256. parker  |  December 22, 2013 at 10:37 am

    regards: gay people, lesbians. Others’ experiences and mine appear to vary. I have not found gays to be depressed at all. My friends and acquaintances are quite happy, although the lack of religious fervor where I live makes their lives much better than in other places. Women love them universally; it’s like having a special girlfriend. As for anuses versus vaginas, “any port in the storm” applies, I think. All blokes like things sliding over their tallywhackers, and if you fancy men, I guess bum is what you have available to you.

    In point of fact, however, in most of the world, exclusive of religious enclaves like muslim countries and the US, it’s a non-issue.

    On more important things, what US should be focussing on is China’s VERY successful bid to replace you as the leader of the world. It’s really like the traditional Chinese game of go. To succeed at go one must implement a shi grand strategy, getting all the pieces in play early and creating an illusion of chaos by apparently randomly placing pieces which later coalesce into a vise-like knot that the opponent never sees until too late.

    In October, China signed bilateral currency-swap deals with the E.U., the U.K. and Singapore, just like dozens it has signed with the third world. These seemingly-random agreements represented the early go strategy; those in October begin to tighten the knot. The objective? To replace the dollar as the international instrument for trade. I believe that, with the help of US leaders, it WILL happen.

    With each passing mini-crisis in the West, the more it is revealed that US leadership is, at best, clueless and, at worst, willfully complicit in undermining the foundations of the U.S. economy. As veteran trader Jim Sinclair puts it: “China has a plan; the West does not.

    Wise up, fellows, and DO something about those bastards who get their mail in Washington. In the meantime, Rabbit’s? plan to accumulate gold sounds pretty bloody good.

  • 257. Alfie  |  December 22, 2013 at 10:57 am

    The Snowden price tag begins… 6 billion dollars lost over Brazilian leak if you have Boeing stock it just took a ding.

  • 258. Alfie  |  December 22, 2013 at 10:58 am

    @ Parker the West and this includes ANZAC has a plan regards China. Its called war and its coming sooner than you think.

  • 259. Just a Lurker  |  December 22, 2013 at 11:38 am

    “It all makes sense now. Gay marriage and marijuana are being legalized at the same time.

    Leviticus 20:13 says if a man lays with another man, he should be stoned.

    You were just misinterpreting it.”

  • 260. Tex Taylor  |  December 22, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Clearly, homosexuality is a mental illness and should never have been classified as anything else.

    If there is anything nature has made obvious, it’s the compatibility of a penis and vagina and the incompatibility of a penis and penis. The embryological development alone is fascinating and utterly mind boggling in its intricacy.

    I try to be sympathetic as I would to anybody suffering from mental illness, but the gay militancy the last 20 years and more specifically the last decade has made me numb to their complaints. Throw in their religious bigotry and hatred, and like the black plight I’m all out of sympathy and weary of the excuses

    Like so many things wrong with America today, instead of dealing with treatment and addressing the truth of the situation, we try to ignore the pink elephant and change the definition and/or semantics, pretend putting a happy face on accepting the deviancy will make it all better.

    China is still half a world a way and the biggest danger from China isn’t its economy which I feel confident is ruse and a lie based on the perception of what their government hides – like their dog and pony show at the Olympics some years back – but a 200 million man marching army with a nuclear arsenal and the willingness to use it.

    Parker touched on what really ails America. Leadership – or the lack thereof.

  • 261. dead rabbit  |  December 22, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    If China is so forward thinking, why did the dumb asses breed females out of the gene pool?

    There will be war with China. But it wont be over debt or water or brinkmanship over the Pacific. It will be a war for brides.

    The entire nation is like Norfolk, VA! What a nightmare. No chicks.

    What a shining example of the merits of abortion. Morons literally stomped out mothers. You sure think you would hear more from the feminists considering its full blown gendercide.

    Their municipal debt is the biggest house of cards on earth, as well.

    There is a storm coming to China too. I agree. It could all end up in war. But not because the Chinks are trying to establish Pax-Chinkana. It will be them lashing out out of desperation.

    Its comforting to at least know every advancement they make has a cost: one more Chinese person with rising expectations of freedom.

    No, China is like the rest of the world. A quagmire.

  • 262. Just a Lurker  |  December 22, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Homosexuality has been observed in the animal kingdom as well. Do we have mentally ill lions, tigers and bears…oh no! But then it is always wise to be afraid of that which you do not understand.

  • 263. muffy  |  December 22, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    “But then it is always wise to be afraid of that which you do not understand.”

    Does that mean you understand homosexuality? Tell me about it.

    I know a handful of homosexuals very well and a larger number of acquaintances and I can’t say that I understand it. I know what I think about some things and don’t know what I think about other things.

  • 264. muffy  |  December 22, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    I read the link to the Hunger games/Harry Potter essay, Alfie. I’ve been musing myself as to how the growing political (and pseudo-political and semi-political) awareness will start showing up in pop culture and the arts.

  • 265. parker  |  December 22, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    So, excluding religious objections, which by definition are not open to argument, what is the downside of person A’s being gay to person B? If you don’t want to do gay stuff, fine; maybe he does.

    My experience is that the problem with gay-ness is pretty much all on the gay-hater’s side; somehow they feel threatened: “marriage” is threatened, but if you ask them how that works, they can’t really say. Of course, the “kids” are always trotted out, but it’s pretty clear that if you are a straight teen, you will always be; if gay, then gay. Gays as a whole are more educated than the general population and don’t consume much welfare, so that’s not a problem. AIDS? It’s for everybody; just ask the subSaharan women.

    So, what IS the problem? I think most of it is just that person A finds homosexual sex to be disgusting, and all the other “objective” objections are, for the most part, red herrings.

  • 266. muffy  |  December 22, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Anecdotal accounts from a misleading ID complete with scripted British accent. Take me home mama and put me to bed I have seen enough to know that I have seen too much.

  • 267. muffy  |  December 22, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    “We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”

    I finally got the chance to read the GQ article in its entirely. Based on that article alone I’m guessing that writing for GQ is generally viewed as a transitional entry position by wanna-be writers hoping for a real writing job someday. It’s also not hard for me to see why Alfie went all upper case on the gay lobby.

    “What more can really be said about the “tolerant” left’s intolerance of mainstream Christian beliefs?”

    http://victorygirlsblog.com/?p=16425

    It seems to me what Phil did was back up the Christian view of sin – counted homosexuality among the list – and added some personal asides that he couldn’t understand it.

    I don’t like where this could be leading and at best – at BEST – this is just another reason for us to stay at each other’s throats.

  • 268. muffy  |  December 22, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    Forgot to attribute that first quote in #267 to Phil Robertson in the same GQ article that fed the beast, and the second quote in bold is from the linked-to article over at Victory Girls.

  • 270. poolman  |  December 22, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Hate the sin, love the sinner. All sex is sin except between the two who are one flesh, as I understand it. That goes for deviant thoughts as well. He who gets stoned first wins.

  • 271. Tex Taylor  |  December 22, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Homosexuality has been observed in the animal kingdom as well. Do we have mentally ill lions, tigers and bears…oh no! But then it is always wise to be afraid of that which you do not understand.

    Ah, the trait of dominance? My female lab once humped my male lab when he was sick, clearly signifying she had a raging case of penis envy!

    Why, yes. Perhaps we should follow the nature’s most basic instinct and boot the beta males out of population to fend for themselves.

    I cede your point, Lurker. :roll: You were case-in-point the reason my empathy tank runs on fumes.

  • 272. Tex Taylor  |  December 22, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    So, excluding religious objections, which by definition are not open to argument, what is the downside of person A’s being gay to person B? If you don’t want to do gay stuff, fine; maybe he does.

    Well, on the completely practical side, cost. As in an entirely new field of science at the cost of literally billions of scarce dollars was added to the public dole to combat something called HIV, now MRSA exploding also in the gay community and bathhouses.

    If MRSA does indeed truly become pandemic, HIV will look like snotty nose next to the carnage done, as MRSA does not discriminate so easily.

  • 273. poolman  |  December 22, 2013 at 4:22 pm

  • 274. parker  |  December 22, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    MRSA has been around a long time, its evolution (!) driven by antibiotic use. Its real incubation takes place in hospitals, where immune-compromised (usually elderly) patients are routinely treated with powerful antibiotics. Nice little article in The Columbia Journalism review. excerpting:

    “The press performed a minor mea culpa over the weekend, explaining that a new multidrug-resistant and especially virulent strain of MRSA staph infection, USA300, is not the new “gay disease.”

    Articles on Newsweek’s Web site on Friday and in The New York Times on Sunday, analyzed some of the overwrought reporting that followed the announcement last Monday that a new strain of USA300 is “spreading rapidly” in the gay communities of San Francisco and Boston. A separate part of the underlying scientific study also found that in San Francisco, gay men are thirteen times more likely to be infected as other city residents.

    “In a matter of days, it jumped from routine press release to a medical controversy,” the Times’ Jesse McKinley wrote on Sunday. “And sure enough, the study, published online in Annals of Internal Medicine, was quickly picked up by reporters round the world and across the Internet, including a London tabloid which dubbed the disease, ‘the new H.I.V.’”

    Such mischaracterizations were a problem in many of the news articles last week. Few of them made any factual errors, but their general (and perhaps unwarranted) emphasis on the infection’s link to sexual activity may have left many readers with the impression that USA300 is a sexually transmitted disease. And a few good sentences notwithstanding, the coverage obscured the fact that USA300 (though not necessarily the new, multidrug-resistant strain) is spreading in the general population, often from casual skin-to-skin, asexual contact.

    This prompted Newsweek’s Karen Springen to ask, “But is there a new HIV-like public health epidemic on the horizon?” The answer, she found, is not likely. “This definitely is not the new AIDS,” Dr. Henry Chambers, the study’s coauthor told her.”

    And AIDS, although initially a gay disease, is now primarily spread heterosexually. That is not in dispute.

    MRSA evolved due to overuse of antibiotics, not from buggery. (Of course, if one doesn’t believe in evolution, then it’s a gay disease.)

  • 275. Tex Taylor  |  December 22, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    And AIDS, although initially a gay disease, is now primarily spread heterosexually. That is not in dispute.

    I think you forget there are two forms of HIV: 1 and 2. And 1 is still a predominately a gay disease still transmitted primarily by homosexual community and intravenous drug use – 2 being more common in sub Sahara Africa (heterosexuality).

    From the same mags that promote that gay marriage is just like straight marriage, by the same university that promotes brownshirts rushing the stage when Ann Coulter speaks, but welcomes Dan Savage and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as guest speakers. Why, I can’t imagine Columbia University would have an axe to grind nor an agenda to pursue.

    Neither changes the fact that it undeniable that HIV not only decimated an entire generation, it also cost billions of dollars to treat and was predominately a ‘gay disease.’

    I don’t put much credence in those types of denial. But then, for almost an entire decade, AIDS was also denied as a disease spread by homosexuality while thousands died.

    But then, anybody that denies there’s a God and contributes the known universe to exclusive ‘evolution’ is an utter moron in my mind, not worth the argument nor the time.

    Swing away, Merrill.

  • 276. parker  |  December 22, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    There is a nice article in The Atlantic on the Duck Dynasty dispute. Very balanced, actually.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/12/the-genuine-conflict-being-ignored-in-the-i-duck-dynasty-i-debate/282587/?google_editors_picks=true

    ——–

    regards HIV subtypes and transmission: “It has been observed that certain subtypes/CRFs are predominantly associated with specific modes of transmission.16 In particular, subtype B is spread mostly by homosexual contact and intravenous drug use (essentially via blood), while subtype C and CRF A/E tend to fuel heterosexual epidemics (via a mucosal route)”

    – so it it true that some subtypes are associated more with certain behavior.

    But of course, the question is, which behavior causes the most cases of AIDS?

    ——–

    * An estimated 34.2 million people worldwide had the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) that causes AIDS in 2011, according to the UNAIDS data, up 18 percent on 2001, when 28.9 million were living with HIV.

    * Sub-Saharan Africa remains the region hardest hit by HIV, with 23.5 million HIV-positive people in 2011, about 69 percent of the global total.

    ——-

    Nearly all African cases are from heterosexual transmission – and of course, if they were good christian boys, they would always be boinking their wives, so it wouldn’t spread at all unless they were sinning with some fallen woman, would it?

    Which is to say that just counting the African cases alone, heterosexual sex causes more than twice as many cases (approx. 69 percent, vs 31percent) of AIDS than caused by homosexuals.

    So it would appear that god likes queers’ sins better than those of straights.

    He works in mysterious ways.

  • 277. Tex Taylor  |  December 22, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    If one considers the hellhole of Africa as heart of Christianity, they are even more ignorant than being of the belief evolution explains the cosmos. Are they white missionaries lining up for the retro combination?

    It would appear to me those Africans share a common malady amongst America’s swinging swingers…One only wonders if they live their lives by romance novels too?

    However, God does indeed work in mysterious ways.

    He once exposed an arrogant man’s true weakness and hidden guilt of a deviant lifestyle and doubt, by his inferior laughing at the intellectual giant’s idea of marital bliss. So much so, the arrogant man threatened with the FBI, the CIA, the NFL Player’s Union, and the Robert Kardashian. Worse, the man hasn’t figured out the only ass bared was his own flabby arse.

    Merry Christmas, Romeo.

  • 278. El Tigre  |  December 22, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Parker/PF, from whence do you correspond? The intermittent pseudo British/Australian identity is creepy — at least as it seems to interfere with your serial self-aggrandizement.

  • 279. Alfie  |  December 22, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Re AIDS in Africa the ratio not really relevant given many variables not the least being the sick belief that sex with a virgin cures the infection.
    On the race angle of the duck thing. I know a lot of blacks across the entire Econ. Spectrum and they do not live their daily lives crippled or pondering their collective plight. They just live and in many cases walk to church on Sunday with happy hearts even as they pass by used codoms,tossed heroin wrappers bullet holes and crime scene tape in their neighborhoods.
    I have never with my eyes seen a person of color in daily turmoil over history,I ve seen tons of lily white candy ass liberals projecting it all over the place though.

  • 280. El Tigre  |  December 22, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    A bull’s-eye from the comments at the bottom of Muffy’s link:

    “[Our esteemed hostess wrote:

    They have a profound need to “feel accepted” by everyone, everywhere, doing everything.]

    I believe that you’ve missed it by a slight degree. It isn’t “acceptance” or “tolerance” they seek, but the defining of homosexuality as normal.

    That’s why civil unions or domestic partnerships were never good enough; those could provide all of the advantages accorded to married couples, but the word marriage was needed to make their relationships just as good, just as normal, as heterosexual ones.”

  • 281. El Tigre  |  December 22, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    Alfie, your observations are quite different from mine. I wonder if you’ve heard the sermons delivered at their destination. I have. Pondering their collective plight is a predominant theme.

    Nevertheless, the projection part is unquestionably true. Hell, just watch any 30 minute MSNBC segment. The reaction to the Ducky Dynasty brouhaha was even turned into the product of some insecurity over a racial demographic shift. Self-righteous libs require racial tension and victimization for their morality play, true or not.

  • 282. Rutherford  |  December 22, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    “Leviticus 20:13 says if a man lays with another man, he should be stoned.

    You were just misinterpreting it.”

    I had to read this twice before I got it. Classic!

  • 283. Rutherford  |  December 22, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    “If China is so forward thinking, why did the dumb asses breed females out of the gene pool?”

    You cannot opine on China until you read the seminal book on the subject, “Overpopulation in China” by Wi Fukum Yung.

  • 284. muffy  |  December 22, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    Wonder if Bond over there cares to opine on his myriad of gay friends’ inordinate squeamishness about the idea of vaginal sex. Why are they so threatened – or are they closet breeders?

  • 285. poolman  |  December 22, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    There is pretty substantial evidence backed by scientists that show AIDS a man-made virus. There is a large effort with multiple resources devoted to debunking those claims, a strong indicator of their likely validity.

  • 286. muffy  |  December 22, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    Anyone catch Pajama Boy in his Christmas sweater and matching socks? :lol:

  • 287. dead rabbit  |  December 22, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    LOL………Rutherford got me to unwittingly cut and paste something horrible in the Google box.

    Well played, Wi

  • 288. El Tigre  |  December 22, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    Rabbit asleep at the switch. :lol:

  • 289. muffy  |  December 23, 2013 at 12:18 am

    What kind of an idiot architects a plan based on young people buying health insurance? Didn’t they live in the real world before they got to Washington?

  • 290. dead rabbit  |  December 23, 2013 at 1:38 am

    Ha ha. A stupid fucking liberal aided by millions of stupid fucking liberals.

    With a deadline smack dab in the middle of the holidays, no less.

    Think like a desperate thief. First, your target must be weak (they are apolitical and don’t vote much). Second, they must possess something to steal. Crap….they are already looted to such an extent they will never break the chains of debt for generations to come. The genius is that they really only have one asset left to take: Their health. So you monetize it by not only forcing them to buy insurance but forcing them to buy over priced insurance.

    Its not working for the same reason they were a target in the first place. They are young and don’t give a fuck.

    We should be hearing the popping of Luger’s going off in the mouths of suicidal liberals like the last days of Hitler’s bunker this failed so bad.

    It was never complicated, despite the ten thousand pages. They could have told America exactly what this scheme was in thirty seconds. But we had to pass it before we read it.

    Any common sense motherfucker saw the scam from a mile a way. As someone who has been ripped off in every imaginable way, the scam had every characteristic of 3 card Monte on the Hampton Roads bus in Virginia. (Yup…lost 40 bucks).

    Rutherford has yet to reconcile the fact that his liberal friends lied the entire time. So its a double wammy. Utter failure brought upon us by lies. And the President of the United States was the biggest liar of them all. Wow. What a legacy. His Nixon poll numbers have kicked in on the front end of the pain, too!

    Rutherford goes to sleep knowing he was a pawn in all this too. Yuck.

  • 291. dead rabbit  |  December 23, 2013 at 1:49 am

    I just read that a man jumped off a 50 story building holding a 3 year old boy. I hate the internet.

    Selfish fucks. I hate this world sometimes.

    That little boy better be in heaven right now.

    Good night.

  • 292. dead rabbit  |  December 23, 2013 at 1:52 am

    Well….my wife just went off on me for telling her that story. I should apologize to you guys too

  • 293. Huck  |  December 23, 2013 at 4:48 am

    “What kind of an idiot architects a plan based on young people buying health insurance?”

    But young people love Obama. They voted him in..twice. So let them take a big bite of the shit sandwich they helped force the rest of us into.

    Stupid ass kids. Hope you enjoy the change left in your pockets.

  • 294. dead rabbit  |  December 23, 2013 at 9:35 am

    If only it was that simple Huck. They, for the most part, didn’t play ball. Sick and old people did. You, sir, with be ultimately the one left with the change in your pocket.

  • 295. parker  |  December 23, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Rutherford – I hope this christmas season finds you and your family well, and the new year brings prosperity to everyone here.

    Given your POV vis à vis religion, I thought you’d appreciate this article in The Guardian, from the UK.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100250598/lots-of-atheists-more-muslims-fewer-christians-and-jews-this-is-the-new-america/

    Looks like America is following Europe and becoming more and more secular in its outlook, like Down Under. Religion is that which we cannot explain – as science progresses, religion must retreat. There’s no help for it, US is just a little behind the curve, that’s all, but they are getting there. “Pew reckons atheists have grown by 25 per cent (in US) in five years.”

    Check out the Bill Maher monologue. He’s pretty funny: “Atheists are among us – even in Oklahoma – and they’re nice! Oh, shit!” I think that would describe you OK. LOL.

    Off to wrap a few presents…best wishes to all.

  • 296. Tex Taylor  |  December 23, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Perhaps the youth of America have learned a lifetime lesson – the moral bankruptcy of progressive politic.

    Still hard for me to believe America was so stupid in 2012. How could they possibly be so dumb?

    For the last six months, I’ve been debating with these fools like Graychin that Obamacare, including the inability to do what it promised as standard fare Dim agitprop, was in its simplest form, another transfer of wealth from the young to the old.

    I will guarantee you in the coming years, we are headed toward two-tier medicine. You can afford it, you’ll pay to go outside the network.

    Some of these liars, and invariably they are all old farts like Graychin, are still denying the obvious.

    How can anybody lucid deny otherwise?

  • 297. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 23, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Hey Parker…shouldn’t you be worrying about China? Wasn’t it you who just got done lecturing us about our priorities?

    You are like a Bible Thumper except you are an atheist.

    Yawn.

  • 298. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 23, 2013 at 10:26 am

    “Some of these liars, and invariably they are all old farts like Graychin, are still denying the obvious”

    What is their argument? This thing is time sensitive….its not like they have five years to get it together for…cough…preventive care to lower everybody’s premiums because we are all so much magically healthy.

    What can they be possibly saying about this??

  • 299. parker  |  December 23, 2013 at 10:52 am

    I see that Phil Robertson is standing his ground. Good for him. (Of course, when your personal wealth is in the high-tens or hundreds of millions, it’s a little easier to defend your beliefs, but good for him anyway.)

    http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/12/23/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson-responds/

  • 300. Tex Taylor  |  December 23, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Looks like America is following Europe and becoming more and more secular in its outlook, like Down Under. Religion is that which we cannot explain – as science progresses, religion must retreat.

    You should “pray” that we aren’t following Europe, for you are seeing Europe in its death throes with even Europeans entertaining that thought in large degree. They don’t call it Londonistan for nothing as their culture disappears.

    I think Parker Pfesser’s is more perception than reality. There are more vocal militants like Pfesser – therefore it would appear America becoming more secularized, when in truth it only becoming more divided with the goats now being separated from the sheep. Just as it must be.

    I could be wrong, but I believe the pendulum has already moved and the height of militant atheism is on its downward skid. Not that people have rejected God, but that they never had God to begin with and are willing to now come clean. The sides are more clearly defined.

    The paradox is, as times become better, people tend to move further away from God. If what I think is happening is really happening, I believe you are getting ready to see a new revival seeking God, because as America has moved further away, it has also become more miserable and dysfunctional. You can assign the correlation to other reasons, but the decline self-evident.

    And I base that on no small part of the number of Dead Rabbit types I meet and speak to – waking up to the fact the promises of materialism ring hollow with no lasting satisfaction. Children have a way of refocusing priority, as does age.

    Sorry “Parker”, but I am absolutely confident you are not only just wrong, but lost. Yours is the wage of death. And I’ll go one step further and say that you know it too, only your massive ego not allowing the admission.

    You don’t strike me as terribly content but terribly vexed, contrary to the boasts. Your seeking to lash out and belittle having me to believe you are trying to figure it out and not confident in your conclusions.

  • 301. Tex Taylor  |  December 23, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    You’re seeking…

    Merry Christmas to everybody while I am here.

  • 302. Just a Lurker  |  December 23, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Muffy – Do I understand homosexuality? No. No more then I understand some aspects of heterosexuality. My views of homosexuality have evolved over the years. My belief from listening and reading is that homosexuals are born that way. It is not a choice. Why?? Why did god spend so little time designing humans? Yet obviously spent more time designing and creating a reason and purpose for all the other living things on this planet!

    Many G/L realized early they felt differently towards the opposite sex than their friends. Even before they ever experienced sex or knew about homosexuality. In recent years, I have met a number of gays and lesbians. I find them to be intelligent, well adjusted, creative, interesting, funny, happy productive people. They are no different from heteros except for who they love.

    Is it right/fair that a G/L be forced into a heterosexual relationship just because it is not offensive socially/religiously to you(in general)? Is it fair to the straight partner to be in a relationship with someone who can not make a full honest commitment to them? Should a G/L be denied the right to love and be loved, to share their life with another because it offends you? What threat are they to you? It is not like they will reproduce in large numbers that they will out number the heteros causing the end of the human race.

    I don’t understand why people are so focused on the sex. Are relationships based solely on sex and nothing else? They are simply making the best of what they have to work with. If you really think about it heterosexual sex can be just as disgusting…..as well as humorous….yet enjoyable. Perhaps god should have taken 8 days and updated his technology to create universal sex organs so this would not be a problem.

    As far as gay bars etc…IMO the sex drive seems stronger in the male (or some). So if you put a bunch of gays together you now have doubled that drive, slammed it into overdrive and floored it. Its just men being men. Perhaps it is this behavior the homophobes find so offensive, mentally ill…embarrassing? or whatever.

  • 303. Just a Lurker  |  December 23, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Not everything is what it appears, is it?

    http://aattp.org/duck-dynasty-is-fake-and-thats-a-fact-jack-video/

  • 304. Just a Lurker  |  December 23, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    R – Happy Holiday to you and your family. May this be a great New Year for you.

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

  • 305. dead rabbit  |  December 23, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Lurker…..nice try. This wasn’t about stopping gays from being gays. This was about the censorship that exists out there over simply saying I don’t agree with the life style. Nothing more. I don’t care what they do if they leave me alone. Its pretty safe to say they wont if I speak my mind.

    As for the men being men thing, you don’t see that as a potential problem? There are parks and rest stops around here ruined by these perverts. Random gay sex. Talk to a Police Officer about it.

    If such a place existed where women were willing to randomly have sex like gay men do, I’m such a sick fuck I would have probably frequented these public places.

    No coincidence STD’s explode out of the gay community.

  • 306. Just a Lurker  |  December 23, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    “As for the men being men thing, you don’t see that as a potential problem?”

    Yes, I do. I find it a problem not only with the homos but heteros too.

    I can respect someone who says that they feel homosexuality is wrong and chooses not to engage in homosexual activity. I can not respect them when they go out of their way to make sure that gay people can not live their lives as they see fit. That is where ‘opposing views’ becomes ‘active oppression’, and that is my bitch. You don’t see gay people forcing Christians (or other straight people) to engage in homosexual behavior. Likewise comments like those made by Robertson are designed to paint homosexuals as ‘lesser citizens’ just like black people were considered up until the last 40-50 years. That too is a form of active oppression. These demagogues take it a step further by trying to turn the tables and claim that THEY are the ones being victimized! They claim in this case that Robertson is being attacked because he is Christian. He is not. He is being taken to task for spreading hate. Christ never spoke about homosexuality, so to say that his homophobic stance is part of his Christian upbringing is a flat out falsehood. He may ‘believe’ it is part of his Christian upbringing but in reality it is rooted in the hate that was instilled in him by other homophobes who hid behind the Bible.

  • 307. dead rabbit  |  December 23, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Roberts said he finds the act to be a sin and one he doesn’t understand. That’s all. He did not oppress anyone. Anyone.

    Get real. In, crude language, he said the exact same thing the Pope would say.

    I rest my case. You don’t want him to say things that he believes to be true. I rest my case. That is the crux of this debate, not your red herring about people being free to make gay sex.

  • 308. El Tigre  |  December 23, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    “I can respect someone who says that they feel homosexuality is wrong and chooses not to engage in homosexual activity.”

    What a bunch of word salad.

    That’s what Robertson said in response to the questions he was asked.

    Also, the “proof” that Duck Dynasty is fake according to the comments from your link was shown on the show itself. Ooooh, gotcha!

  • 309. muffy  |  December 23, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    @#302 – That’s quite a comment Lurker.

    I don’t know about anyone else but as far as I’m concerned there’s nothing to understand about heterosexuality. A preference for blondes doesn’t warrant an explanation but when you start demanding that laws be changed and people who speak out against your preference are deprived of the ability to earn a living – you need to explain yourself a little.

    As far as I’m concerned we could just as well be talking about pair skating as any sex act. But it can’t be denied that the gay lobby wants to change the rules on not only who can skate together in the Olympics but that the entire world has to shut up and like it.

    I don’t think “men just being men” excuses or explains hyper-sexuality or promiscuity. We’re not talking about being horny we’re talking about getting laid no matter who’s left at the bar at last call.

  • 310. dead rabbit  |  December 23, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    God, your a danger to a free people.

    What about the adulterers Robertson brought up? Were they oppressed too?

    And…was he being oppressive when he said he tries to love these sinners?

    And YOUR theology is the litmus test of free speech? You are so dim you are now appealing to the Bible (the words of Jesus) as the blue print for what we can pass judgement on and what we can’t? Parker….a little help here please….

  • 311. muffy  |  December 23, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    Haha those guys are hunks under all that hair! I was glad to learn that they use conditioner on their beards :)

    Lurker we’re not ganging up on you – your comment was loaded with topic, that’s all.

  • 312. dead rabbit  |  December 23, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    My last comment was for Lurker.

  • 313. muffy  |  December 23, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Tex I loved your response @#300 to Pfarker, natch. Especially the last paragraph.

    I’ve had Pajama Boy on the brain. This is Future Man and the Un-ACA is designed to come down on him the hardest BUT…

    This administration knows full well PJ’s narrow little shoulders incapable of carrying more than an ergo backpack with mini ipad and credit card in mom’s name. So…a bailout is likely already in the works. In the name of compassion for PJ of course.

    Wimp, Braveheart, gay, straight, atheist, Christian, European, American – all find themselves on their knees one way or another.

  • 314. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 23, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    “We’re not talking about being horny we’re talking about getting laid no matter who’s left at the bar at last call.”

    Well….if only was just the bar. I used to live near a park you could not bring your kids (or yourself) near because the indiscriminate and random homosexuality was out of control. Just driving through it was off putting as they would flash their headlights at you non stop. Had a serial killer vibe too.

    I just did a google search of Rouge Park. I ended up finding a website for homos looking to in indiscriminately hook up in public areas reviewed by thousands of people. This one will be hard to explain if my wife looks at my search history. Ha ha!

    If the city of Detroit doesn’t scare you….imagine a massive park (Hines Park)…a forest really….that goes from Detroit all the way out to the outer western suburbs. This park makes Central Park look like a small back yard. It can be creepy.

  • 315. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 23, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    “I’ve had Pajama Boy on the brain”.

    Perhaps there is a slight attraction? :) He is, after all, the modern man that young women desire, I think.

  • 316. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 23, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    “Also, the “proof” that Duck Dynasty is fake according to the comments from your link was shown on the show itself. Ooooh, gotcha!”

    Lurker almost had those Duck posers. Foiled again……

    I’ve never watched the show…is it any good?

    I do enjoy the Michigan hunting shows on PBS….

  • 317. El Tigre  |  December 23, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    I wonder if Lurker has ever been to a pride parade. Talk about cramming sexuality down your throat. Guys riding around on floats wearing codpieces and dry humping each other? Name a similar hetero display. And no, I’m talking about the weird deviant sex festivals. I’m talking about parades that roll down main street in major cities.

  • 318. El Tigre  |  December 23, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    I’ve watched a sum total of about 30 minutes of the show over the last several months. I thought it was entertaining. It’s a show about nothing. Rednecks with too much time on their hands shootin’ the bull and concocting ways to cure their boredom.

  • 319. muffy  |  December 23, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    PJ can stay in his pajamas as far as I’m concerned, Occupy. Well, I think that’s inevitable for him anyway.

    I don’t think PJ is designed to be attractive to either sex or any particular culture. He’s extraordinarily neutral.

    Weird blend of immaturity, promiscuity, and homosexuality behind the campaign to sell the Un-ACA.

  • 320. muffy  |  December 23, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    I shouldn’t say behind the campaign but rather the target demographic of the campaign.

  • 321. Rutherford  |  December 23, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    “LOL………Rutherford got me to unwittingly cut and paste something horrible in the Google box. ”
    :lol: :lol: :lol: Rabbit that joke dates back at least 40 years. Glad you enjoyed it.

    And I realized it plays much better in print than verbally cos you can have so much fun with the Asian spelling.

  • 322. Rutherford  |  December 23, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    “architects a plan based on young people being forced into buying health insurance?”

    I fixed it for you.

  • 323. Rutherford  |  December 23, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Good to see you pay a visit Lurker. A Happy Holiday season to you as well.

  • 324. Rutherford  |  December 23, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    “I wonder if Lurker has ever been to a pride parade.”

    I don’t know why a smart guy like Tigre can’t discern cause and effect. Did it ever occur to you that if homosexuality had not been perceived as deviant in the first place, gays would not have been as inclined to put on such a flamboyant display?

    You divorce behavior from its social context. You consider social context a liberal euphemism for “excuse making”. I consider it cause and effect.

  • 325. dead rabbit  |  December 23, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    I’m trying to think where an oppressive society would force me to paint cheetah whiskers on and wear boots with nothing but chaps while dry humping an accountant from the Castro District in between water balloons full of tapioca pudding bursting upon the entire rainbow parade float.

    Nope. Ain’t happening.

    Total excuse making, R.

  • 326. dead rabbit  |  December 23, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    Forced?? Well, maybe in a couple years as the frog boils. 80 bucks that you only have to pay from your tax return? LOL. You don’t quite get why people are laughing at all of you, yet. When they aren’t mentally masturbating to torching every liberal home in America that is.

    Rutherford, after Obamacare, there is no denying the shocking disconnect even the most important of you jokes have in real world.

    Nobody is signing up to subsidize your redistribution.

  • 327. Tex Taylor  |  December 23, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    That Lurker comment was so intellectually dishonest, my breasts swelled reading it…

    I can not respect them when they go out of their way to make sure that gay people can not live their lives as they see fit.

    Since when are we interfering with the way homosexuals live? Have we been kicking down gay doors to their bedroom? What an absolute crock. You’re transparent.

    You need to reread the word tolerance. Either you don’t understand the definition, or you’re parroting idiocy because you don’t have an original thought and it sounded good.

    It is people like you that have been instructing us (Christians and those that oppose the lifestyle out of innate observation of being nauseating), most often by judicial activism and fiat, telling us what we shall believe and how we shall think. What we can believe and what we can’t. You can’t win the hearts so you force the courts. Fascist…

    Everything you moral relativists have touched has turned to shit. And you’re too backwards and immoral to even notice.

    That is where ‘opposing views’ becomes ‘active oppression’, and that is my bitch. You don’t see gay people forcing Christians (or other straight people) to engage in homosexual behavior.

    Oppression. You don’t even know what oppression is, ingrate. What a coward you are.

  • 328. Rutherford  |  December 23, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    Rabbit you’re another of the smart guys who likes to put his brain on vacation.

    I never said anyone was forced to be in a gay pride parade.

    Let me try one more time. I am saying gay “culture” does not exist in a vacuum. If I’m not mistaken there are Puerto Rican pride parades. Let me ask you? Ever seen a White Pride parade other than one by the KKK? I didn’t think so.

    These pride parades are primarily by minorities who implicitly believe their society is not proud of them. Every minority not on top of the power structure feels the need for displays of solidarity. Gays are no different.

    I have a prediction for you Rabbit. As more and more states legalize gay marriage we will see a steep decline in flamboyance. The disgusting rest stops of which you speak will also decrease. It will take years but I think it will happen. A lot of gays just want a shot at what you have — a happy family life. As more and more of them get it, the need to act out will diminish.

  • 329. Rutherford  |  December 23, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    “You can’t win the hearts so you force the courts. Fascist…”

    So Tex the civil rights acts of the 60’s were bad because we didn’t wait to win the hearts of Southern bigots?

    1930’s Germany ran on the “hearts” of those who blamed Jews for their troubles. Is it always wise to let a country run on what is in the hearts of its people?

  • 330. parker  |  December 23, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    R: “1930′s Germany ran on the “hearts” of those who blamed Jews for their troubles. Is it always wise to let a country run on what is in the hearts of its people?”

    Precisely why the American FF’s put a layer of representation between the citizen-mob and the law.

    Good to see the American market doing well. Over the past few years, ARB Corp (ARP) has made a pot-full of money for many of us investing in the ASX. Any of you in the NYSE/NASDAQ market should consider selling at the peak and getting into a market with a more stable monetary system. Canada is probably better than Australia in that respect. Canadian bank stocks look the best right now. I’m looking at dumping AAPL, GE, AMZN and CTSH before year-end and getting entirely out of the American market. Probably a bit before the peak, but you can’t delay searching around for the peak. Word to the wise.

    If you intend to stay invested in US, consider gold.

  • 331. dead rabbit  |  December 23, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    “Ever seen a White Pride parade other than one by the KKK? I didn’t think so.”

    Columbus Day Parade, St Patrick’s Day Parade, Polish Parade, Norwegian Parades. I could go on.

  • 332. Tex Taylor  |  December 23, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    Rutherford,

    I hope you are ashamed as a black man to equate the civil rights fight with the homosexual rights agenda. If you had any sense, or truly ever been discriminated against, you would be furious to even make comparison.

    Have you once again sunk so low in the name of politics? That’s why I find liberal black hustlers, of which you occasionally regress, the absolute most putrid of progressives. They are completely fake and completely agenda driven. Their is no truth in them.

    Rosa Parks vs. Dan Savage. What kind of a man could make such a comparison? What kind of a black man would make such comparison?

    As a white man, let me say I am embarrassed for you. You disgrace your ancestor’s sacrifices. You too are an ingrate – a user.

    And I’ll guarantee you in this one instance, your mom would side with me.

  • 333. Alfie  |  December 23, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    Although I cannot recommend buying Apple or Amazon stock I can definitely say that if you have it you should keep it. These two companies are two of the new handful that will literally own the world like the Trusts of years ago. The money and growth to be had here is not to be pissed away out of over zealous acceptance of USA decline.
    As for religion with a focus on Christianity and Islam it can be said that there are signs both will continue a more charismatic makeup. Growth in Pentecostal Christianity across all denominations is visible in the UK US and Latin America . Just saying.
    @ JAL you would do well to check out Parker’s Atlantic link. Your comment exemplifies a major point presented there. I have to vote that although not likely out of political malice you do indeed embrace a tactic that is clearly disingenuous.
    The differences seen across the LGBT spectrum regards ” relationship” standard practices are pretty well documented. I don’t offer that in a judgement sense just the realities of the deal. For example the male on male has historically been more overtly counter cultural in nature. “Poppers”,”Special K “,parks/ public space sex. Do I even need to bring up NAMBLA?
    @rutherford specifically regards the parade schism. I disagree with your presentation. I think you touch on something but give the gay pride inc a blanket pass in error. Like many public presentations there is a line between “hey! We’re here it’s a reality” and “hey! We’re here fuck you!!!

  • 334. Alfie  |  December 23, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    @ Rutherford seriously if you can’t see a difference between a group marching down Main Street in sharing culture via dance,music and dress compared to near nudity French kissing and riding a six foot long styrofoam penis I don’t see what ANYONE can say/ do to promote a meaningful dialog on this one.

  • 335. Rutherford  |  December 24, 2013 at 2:50 am

    “Columbus Day Parade, St Patrick’s Day Parade, Polish Parade, Norwegian Parades. I could go on.”

    Please do. In every case, people who were spat on when they came to this country.

    So let me be more specific. Ever seen a WASPs parade?

  • 336. Rutherford  |  December 24, 2013 at 2:52 am

    “And I’ll guarantee you in this one instance, your mom would side with me.”

    You’re right. My mom viewed homosexuality as a choice. I’m not sure I do.

  • 337. El Tigre  |  December 24, 2013 at 4:37 am

    I watched a neo Nazi march in the center of Boston (by the fens). It didn’t make it too far before it was overwhelmed by the counter protestors.

    I still don’t get your point. Homosexuals want to be accepted (i.e. deemed normal). So they express that desire through the most grotesque displays of sexuality they can get away with?

    Incredibly, when the point is to celebrate deviancy, expecting their claims of a desire for normalcy to be taken seriously is just stupid.

    But again, you will tolerate and defend any behavior by a group you deem victimized. It doesn’t matter which one. It’s always justified comeuppance. Just say so for cryin’ out loud. The rationalizing gets tired. You really are just an excuse maker.

  • 338. El Tigre  |  December 24, 2013 at 4:52 am

    Note that I AM TALKING ABOUT CAUSE AND EFFECT!!

  • 339. El Tigre  |  December 24, 2013 at 5:01 am

    R, can we assume that you take your daughter to the big city pride parades? If not, please tell me why.

    It seems to me that you should want her to be exposed to the civil acts of an oppressed minority so she too gain some understanding — or perhaps future acceptance from the community that already accepts her? :roll:

  • 340. Tex Taylor  |  December 24, 2013 at 8:05 am

    The Americans With No Abilities Act (ANAA)

    President Barack Obama and the Democrat Senate are considering sweeping legislation that will provide new benefits for many more Americans. The Americans With No Abilities Act is being hailed as a major legislative goal by advocates of the millions of Americans who lack any real skills or ambition.

    “Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess the competence and drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society,” said California Sen. Barbara Boxer. “We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability (POI) to be ridiculed and passed over. With this legislation, employers will no longer be able to grant special favors to a small group of workers, simply because they have some idea of what they are doing.”

    In a Capitol Hill press conference, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pointed to the success of the U.S. Postal Service, which has a long-standing policy of providing opportunity without regard to performance. At the state government level, the Department of Motor Vehicles also has an excellent record of hiring Persons with No Ability (63 percent).

    Under the Americans With No Abilities Act, more than 25 million
    mid-level positions will be created, with important-sounding titles
    but little real responsibility, thus providing an illusory sense
    of purpose and performance.

    Mandatory non-performance-based raises and promotions will be
    given to guarantee upward mobility for even the most unremarkable employees. The legislation provides substantial tax breaks to corporations that promote a significant number of Persons of Inability (POI) into middle-management positions, and give a tax credit to small and medium-sized businesses that agree to hire one clueless worker for every two talented hires.

    Finally, the Americans With No Abilities Act contains tough new
    measures to make it more difficult to discriminate against the
    non-abled, banning, for example, discriminatory interview questions such as, “Do you have any skills or experience that relate to this job?”

    “As a non-abled person, I can’t be expected to keep up with people who have something going for them,” said Mary Lou Gertz, who lost her position as a lug-nut twister at the GM plant in Flint, Mich.,due to her inability to remember righty tighty, lefty loosey. “This new law should be real good for people like me. I’ll finally have job security.” With the passage of this bill, Gertz and millions of other untalented citizens will finally see a light at the end of the tunnel.

    Said Sen. Dick Durbin,II: “As a senator with no abilities, I believe the same privileges that elected officials enjoy ought to be extended to every American with no abilities. It is our duty as lawmakers to provide each and every American citizen, regardless of his or her inadequacy, with some sort of space to take up in this great nation and a good salary for doing so.”

    This message was approved by Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama

  • 341. Tex Taylor  |  December 24, 2013 at 8:12 am

    You’re right. My mom viewed homosexuality as a choice. I’m not sure I do.

    You’re wrong. Your mom not only would agree with me, but she was smart enough to have recognized real persecution and oppression.

    She would have been outraged at homos charges of persecution akin to the “negroes” of the 50s, would believe it denigrated the memories of brave folks who stood at the end of an attack dog or water cannon, experienced jury nullification and jailed for insidious lies, and called your support of those charges an affront to the memories of the people who did.

    And she would have been right.

  • 342. parker  |  December 24, 2013 at 9:22 am

    The tactics never change, do they?: find someone you hate. Search until you find the most egregious outliers. Point at them and say, see, “See, this is how they are.” Point to O’Hair, among the atheists, Falwell among the Believers, Jackson or Sharpton among the blackfellas, Dan Savage, Gay Pride marchers or NAMBLA gays. Then dishonestly imply, or just say outright, that they represent the mainstream of their “kind.”

    Now goad them or mistreat them until they act out, marching or showing their arses in some way, or one of them lashes out in his OWN act of violence.

    SUCCESS! FINALLY!

    Now you can say, “These people are so depraved, anything I do to them is justified.” That’s the step these fellas are really after, isn’t it?: justification for violence against those groups.

    So, what happens to these people now that you have the mob riled up? Ever think of the results of such inflammation?

    Maybe it doesn’t take that much thought. Maybe we’ve been there before. Ever wonder why the Jews support gay rights? Maybe they’ve been there.

  • 343. Raji  |  December 24, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Tigre@337 I still don’t get your point. Homosexuals want to be accepted (i.e. deemed normal). So they express that desire through the most grotesque displays of sexuality they can get away with?”

    The above statement can apply to Miley Cyrus. She wants to be known and accepted therefore it’s okay for her to use her ass and tongue to achieve that goal? Regardless of your sexual preference grotesque displays of sexuality should not be acceptable anywhere.

    I would think R would no more take his young daughter to a gay pride parade than let her watch Miley on TV.

    Wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas.

  • 344. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 24, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Following your logic…the black civil rights movement should have been made up of marchers acting out in the very worst of ways.

    Yet, these people kept their damn shirts in and polished their shoes. Their behavior impeccable as 2 and half inch fire hoses blasted them on the concrete while German Shepherds were unleashed on them.

    Excuses making by even Parker.

  • 345. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 24, 2013 at 10:20 am

    “The above statement can apply to Miley Cyrus. She wants to be known and accepted”

    Wrong Raja. Quite the opposite. Molly Cyrus doesn’t NOT want to be accepted in the mainstream. She is trying to differentiate as an edgy star not bound by societal norms. After all, her career had been very vanilla. Country star’s daughter who starred in a Nick TV for a kids show. Not edgy.

    You guys are stretching. I don’t get why.

    It’s weird….on one hand Parker, Rutherford et al tell us how successful and normal gays are. We here how told much they contribute to society. (Any one who follows real estate in urban areas know there is some truth to that. Follow the fags to buy real estate in former ghettos and make money!.)

    But now….they are so oppressed they can’t be expected not dry hump one another on a phallic float. Come on.

  • 346. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 24, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Yet, these people kept their damn shirts tucked in

  • 347. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 24, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Hell, even the small militant response by blacks during Civil Rights era kept their dignity.

  • 348. parker  |  December 24, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Let me be the first to wish everyone a merry christmas. (No cheating, Raji; it’s still christmas eve where you are!) Still a while before the kiddies get up. Can’t wait to see my presents, even though I picked them out. Hope to get all my music on my business computer onto my stereo via Apple Express gadget.

    Appreciate the responses to my post, but I think some demonstrate exactly what I am talking about: pick out the outliers and then talk about them like they are the mainstream – which they are not. Nothing immunizes ALL gays from ever behaving inappropriately, any more than Miley (HT to Raji) is immunized from it. Those heterosexual fellows with the stiff tallywhackers who cause 69% of AIDS cases behaved badly, too, but good cherrypicking conveniently ignores them in order to focus on fellas who take it up the rump.

    Non issue. Next topic.

  • 349. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 24, 2013 at 11:13 am

    “Next topic”

    Classic Pfessor move. The grand patriarch dictating when the debate is over.

    More then one of us followed your logic and applied it to the black civil rights movement and your logic failed.

    Now I say….debate over. See how that works? :)

    Merry Christmas nonetheless.

  • 350. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 24, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Sheeesh… after reading my poor grammar, double negatives and bad spelling….perhaps the self professed patriarch of this salon does have every right to end the debate by fiat.

  • 351. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 24, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Lastly..I’ve been wanting to point out something….I suspect many gay people are, in fact, victims. Victims of molestation as kids. Man…..the data is pretty astounding.

  • 352. poolman  |  December 24, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    I agree with the victims of molestation part. I don’t know the statistics, but many offenders were themselves first victims. It often passes one generation to the next until someone breaks out of it and stops the trend.

    Gay is an interesting trait. Some I suspect to be gay are in hetero relations. Some I know have tried the hetero and were not successful. Others have tried and continue in bisexual relations. Few I know are settled and satisfied. There is an excessive amount of sexual promiscuity among gay men as example. They seem to surround themselves with it and wear it to ward off heteros like ancient tribes wore garlic to ward off evil spirits. Few I’ve known are in monogamous relations, and those that have been don’t seem to be so for the long term. I think there is an underlying notion that something is wrong. Many have other mental/emotional/acceptance issues.

    This is where I have issue, when the homosexual lifestyle is touted as a normal alternative to heterosexuals. It is not. It should not be condemned or ridiculed, but never held as an equal institution. Everyone needs someone to love, but there is definitely an order of acceptance that humanity wholly recognizes, though often we choose political correctness over common sense with an underlying bend toward righting the wrongs of our past.

    Unfortunately we end up sending mixed messages to the next generation when they need strong leadership to develop a solid moral core.

    I find it all boils down to the golden rule, in spite of everything else that always gets added to the pot.

  • 353. El Tigre  |  December 24, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Jackson or Sharpton outliers?

    Good one Crocodile PF.

    You sure know how to follow a debate.

    Blare the trumpets. A new subject has been decreed!

    Yaaaawn.

  • 354. Tex Taylor  |  December 24, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    I would think R would no more take his young daughter to a gay pride parade than let her watch Miley on TV.

    No, he would not, Raji. You are absolutely right – pointing toward an inconsistency in his conclusions – one of many. What a textbook example of hypocrisy.

    But the question is, why not? Why should Rutherford have a problem with marching baby daughter down to watch men copulate in the streets if it’s acceptable behavior? Perhaps there is something innate in each of that not only are protective of our children, wanting them exposed only to the healthy?

    Outliers? Outliers, really? Wonder if Parker Pfesser is familiar with the Folsom Fair conducted each year in San Fransisco? Or Hollywood’s coarsening behavior?

    I wholeheartedly agree man’s nature has not changed, but our acceptance of the immoral most certainly has…

  • 355. Tex Taylor  |  December 24, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    oops San Francisco.

  • 356. poolman  |  December 24, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Those that believe Miley Cyrus is in charge of her own actions are deceived. She has had handlers her entire life. She is a victim of mind-control which several researchers have pointed to. Suffice it to say she is the current manifestation of satanic control over the music/entertainment industry. Naysayers ought to research Lauryn Hill for greater insight into the established evils of the industry.

  • 357. Huck  |  December 24, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    I don’t think R would allow his daughter to watch a parade with men and women having sex together, either. That doesn’t mean he thinks it’s wrong for men and women to have sex together.

    Sorry, but the flawed logic needed to be called out.

    Also…there’s one thing I’ve noticed missing in this lengthy discussion on what the Duck Dynasty guy said and the reaction to it.

    From what I understand, the big uproar was over people thinking he was equating homosexuality with beastiality. I’m not saying he did that, but that is what got people so worked up.

    Of course, that isn’t to say if he wouldn’t have even mentioned animals that there wouldn’t have been an uproar over what he did say. But I just wanted to throw it out there. Take it as you will and have a Merry Christmas.

  • 358. Raji  |  December 24, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    DR @345
    You are right and I should have clarified my statement that Miley wants to be known and accepted as the new bad slutty girl in the entertainment world which IMO doesn’t make her any better than the behavior of gays at a gay pride parade.

    I have learned if I say black you say red or if I say red you say black :-) I don’t think the comparison is wrong when you are dealing with grotesque displays of sexuality unless you think what is okay for a hetrosexual but is gross when preformed by a homosexual. Humping is humping whether done by an animal or a human.

    The one who really benefited from Miley was Robin Thicke!!!! Although His parents were not impressed ;-)

  • 359. poolman  |  December 24, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    There are extremists in every human category. This is the day of the extremist. Marketing has exposed and sometimes empowered them. Moderation is generally key, though many equate moderation with weakness. We call moderate politicians sellouts or not genuinely left or right and consider them as people of lukewarm character. Most of these categorical mental filings are learned responses based on our generation’s cultural indoctrination. We have difficulty calling a spade a spade, in example, especially with the newer definitions we’ve assigned to much common language.

    The mouths and wordsmiths of the age, coupled with visual and symbolic stimuli, intentionally blur otherwise instinctive reactions and natural responses. Corporate media is all about consumer culture shaping.

    No one discusses why suicides have surpassed automotive deaths, which far exceed deaths from terrorism (excepting of course the actions of this government which represent terrorism to any true recognizer of common language).

    No one wants to admit our leaders are corrupt and will never police themselves, though we continue to hope and vote for change. It truly is insane. Why aren’t the proven criminals behind bars? Affluenza. That’s what they are calling this sickness that allows criminals to skate. Too rich to prosecute. Too rich to have a moral compass.

  • 360. dead rabbit  |  December 24, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Raj…

    I’m not being contradictory for its own sake.

    We’re being told gay people just want to be accepted.

    We point out their legendary behavior at gay parades.

    We then get the following.

    Oppressed by society they are merely acting out.

    We point out the civil rights movement. We hear crickets.

    You compare it to Molly C making my point for me. She is acting so that she isn’t accepted. So your analogy is bad.

    Hucking says that Rutherford’s daughter wouldn’t be allowed to go to a hetro march where sex acts are on display.

    So…I’m thinking New Orleans upon the start of lent…..outside of that….I can’t remember the last time the Rotary Club reenacted an orgy on a parade float. In other words, the Thanksgiving Parade ain’t perverted. Dare I say most gay marches are?

  • 361. poolman  |  December 24, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Both perverted. One sexual, the other jingoistic.

  • 362. Tex Taylor  |  December 24, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    I don’t think R would allow his daughter to watch a parade with men and women having sex together, either. That doesn’t mean he thinks it’s wrong for men and women to have sex together.

    Sorry, but the flawed logic needed to be called out.

    There is nothing flawed at all – it was simply a matter of extreme.

    But if it confounds your sensitivity, would you prefer me to say neither would Rutherford take his child to a movie to watch to men hump like Brokeback Mountain? No, he would not.

    Would he like to watch his daughter observe two bearded men to kiss in a Disney movie? I still doubt it.

    Sorry, but romance between a man and woman is perfectly natural – even appealing and children are introduced at a young age to finding it natural.

    But between two men? I think not.

    What’s flawed is finding homosexuality natural. It’s the very definition of unnatural.

  • 363. El Tigre  |  December 24, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    “I don’t think R would allow his daughter to watch a parade with men and women having sex together, either. That doesn’t mean he thinks it’s wrong for men and women to have sex together.”

    I was the one that made the initial comment that Raj was echoing.

    The point blew right past you, Huck.

    No flawed logic. It’s the fact that neither is acceptable makes the point, not the opposite.

    They just “want to be respected” is the indictment not the defense.

    Merry Christmas Bitches!!

  • 364. El Tigre  |  December 24, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    “In other words, the Thanksgiving Parade ain’t perverted. Dare I say most gay marches are?”

    That’s certainly what I’ve seen. Even the most passive gay pride marches/public displays has something overtly sexual as a component, e.g. dildos hanging from a branches, leather bondage gear, all manner phallic symbols.

    We all know why they do it. Its to be in our face and cram their sexuality down your throat contrary to what Lurker said which was that the Ducky guy and his types are the ones cramming his sexual mores down the gay community’s throat.

    As I recall, the Duck comment was in response to a specific question asked by an interviewer at GQ. It was solicited and he gave his thoughts. Get over it.

    Hetero men find the act disgusting and completely repulsive. The opposite is not true to any extent and everyone knows it. Demanding that others be dishonest for fear that their reaction to the thought of gay male sex epitomizes thought policing.

    Fuck you if it hurts your fucking feelings. If you want an honest discussion and wish to be viewed with tolerance and respect, quit condemning honest opinion. The Duck guy himself said something to the effect of, “we’re all God’s creatures and he made gay men too, so it’s not for him to judge.”

    As I said earlier, the reaction from the gay community is because the want to homosexuality to be viewed as “normal” which by it’s very nature it is not.

    The non-gay liberal reaction is because they need another victim to believe they’ve taken up for to feel as though they’ve done something to strong and righteous when in fact they haven’t — as though projecting their perception solidarity before moving on to the next affront means shit.

  • 365. El Tigre  |  December 24, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    p.s. if anyone here didn’t know, Atlanta is among the highest gay populations in the US. I have many good friends and neighbors that are gay and that’s not a problem for me at all. The day a gratuitous display of the sexuality/perversion is made in my presence or my family’s presence is the day they get slugged — just like I’d slug a sick fuck hetero that did it. How’s that for equality?

  • 366. Rutherford  |  December 24, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    “Note that I AM TALKING ABOUT CAUSE AND EFFECT!!”

    We’re probably arguing about the chicken and the egg.

    I’m not a homophile so I don’t know a lot about “gay history”. What I think is worth exploring is how much of gay culture is a reaction to rejection vs a very counter-productive plea for acceptance.

    You are right about one thing Tigre. Out-there displays of sexuality are no way to win straight friends and influence straight people.

  • 367. Rutherford  |  December 24, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    “R, can we assume that you take your daughter to the big city pride parades? If not, please tell me why. ”

    I dislike all parades. I only watch them on TV and then only on T’giving. :-)

  • 368. parker  |  December 24, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    I see the queen pardoned Alan Turing, sixty-one years too late, but that’s how it goes.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/alan-turing-gets-royal-pardon-for-gross-indecency–61-years-after-he-poisoned-himself-9023116.html

    A brilliant mathematician, Turing led the group at Bletchley Park during WWII in breaking the “unbreakable” German military’s Enigma code, in the process saving at least tens of thousands – if not hundreds of thousands – of Allied lives. It was said that if a German field commander wanted to pick up his orders, it would be faster to ring up Bletchley Park than to bother to decode it himself.

    How was Turing repaid? Once it was discovered he was gay, his security clearance was revoked, he was chemically castrated and hounded by his ungrateful country’s leaders until he poisoned himself with cyanide. If memory serves, he was 41.

    Nice going, fellas. That’s where your slippery slope of abuse leads.

    God save the Queen.

  • 369. dead rabbit  |  December 24, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    LOL….yeah guys, way to go. You are going to lose WW2 due not high fiving the dude on the phallic float with nipple tassels on. Assholes.

  • 370. poolman  |  December 25, 2013 at 12:39 am

    Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!

  • 371. Tex Taylor  |  December 25, 2013 at 3:44 am

    Britain won WII…and I’ve heard these gay stories of abuse before. Like Matthew Shepard and his cross of burden – until we found it likely M.S. killed for dealing drugs by his bisexual lover. :oops:

    You never seemed concerned about ‘abuse’ before with these character assassinations of woe, say like calling the Sarah Palin children’s mother a c…, a moron, trying to kill her baby on a flight, ruining her children, etc.. etc.. etc…

    Cast ye off thy shackles off hypocrisy…and Merry Christmas, with emphasis on Christ and less on Bill Maher.

    You’ll be a lot better off for it in 2014.

  • 372. Rutherford  |  December 25, 2013 at 8:27 am

    “The Americans With No Abilities Act (ANAA)”

    That was funny. No denying it.

  • 373. Rutherford  |  December 25, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Again Tex you know my mother better than I could imagine. She did find the black/gay civil rights comparison slightly offensive. It didn’t get her blood boiling but it bothered her.

  • 374. Rutherford  |  December 25, 2013 at 8:34 am

    “Gay Pride marchers or NAMBLA gays”

    Yeah the NAMBLA reference was particularly offensive. Right up there with the leap to bestiality that so many gay-bashers make.

  • 375. Rutherford  |  December 25, 2013 at 8:38 am

    “I would think R would no more take his young daughter to a gay pride parade than let her watch Miley on TV. ”

    Interestingly Raji I banned Miley Cyrus from the house years ago. Now that my daughter is drawing her own sensible conclusions about Miley I’ve eased up a bit.

    Happy Holidays Raji. Good to see you after so much time. Same to you Lurker.

  • 376. Rutherford  |  December 25, 2013 at 8:40 am

    “Following your logic…the black civil rights movement should have been made up of marchers acting out in the very worst of ways. ”

    Haven’t you just described the difference between MLK and Malcolm X? Lots of different ways to react to oppression.

  • 377. parker  |  December 25, 2013 at 9:39 am

    The Pope calls on atheists to work with the Church for peace.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/25/us-pope-christmas-idUSBRE9BN0MA20131225

    “”Peace is a daily commitment. It is a homemade peace,” he said.

    He said that people of other religions were also praying for peace, and – departing from his prepared text – he urged atheists to join forces with believers.

    “I invite even non-believers to desire peace. (Join us) with your desire, a desire that widens the heart. Let us all unite, either with prayer or with desire, but everyone, for peace,” he said, drawing sustained applause from the crowd.

    Francis’s reaching out to atheists and people of other religions is a marked contrast to the attitude of former Pope Benedict, who sometimes left non-Catholics feeling that he saw them as second-class believers.’

    The Franciscans have always been my fave Catholics. St. Francis started that order with the purpose of helping the poor, and clearly this man has not forgotten his roots.

    This guy is ace! Rutherford, let’s join the Catholic church, whaddya say?

  • 378. James  |  December 25, 2013 at 10:38 am

    I haven’t had time to read all of the comments, but I did read Tex’s.I’d like to meet you too–the rest of you for that matter. Some people from a long dead message board and I have met face to face.

    I like to Pope too, but not enough to join a church any more organized than the Methodist church.

    We attended an evening church service, and our grand daughter was engaged and attentive. She played peekaboo with two people
    behind our daughter. She stared at a baby about her age. A man said he had not seen a better behaved baby her age in church.

    Later, our son-in law showed her off at the television station, and she also enjoyed the attention. Our grand daughter was so happy she laughed and babbled until after 11PM.

    My wife plays CDs for our grand daughter. Our grand daughter likes strange electronic devices. She can’t crawl, but she can roll. She rolled half way across the room to get to the CD payer. The trp took over twenty minutes, but she didn’t give up.

    Our daughter said she looked at some early pictures and had forgotten the shape of her daughter’s then tiny pointed head.

    Merry Christmas

  • 379. Alfie  |  December 25, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Rutherford you are such a hypocrite it’s hilarious. I’m guessing that’s your Christmas present to us all revealing how much of one you are.
    You have on more than one occasion demanded various religious denominations and political entities to own all under their banner but no way do mainstream homosexuals have to own NAMBLA. No in fact those that point out the connection are monsters. Have some coal Rutherford you justly deserve it.

  • 380. El Tigre  |  December 25, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    From: “You divorce behavior from its social context. You consider social context a liberal euphemism for “excuse making”. I consider it cause and effect.”

    To: “I’m not a homophile so I don’t know a lot about “gay history”. What I think is worth exploring is how much of gay culture is a reaction to rejection vs a very counter-productive plea for acceptance.”

    You can be a real piece of work R. :roll:

    Explore a way. Start with I said fort though rather than your bleeding heart bullshit please. :roll:

  • 381. El Tigre  |  December 25, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    “Explore away. Start with what I said though, rather than your bleeding heart bullshit, please.”

    I can’t wait. I bet it means that the gay community is exonerated for its public displays because they were victims. Please explore the river of excuses for why we all must not only tolerate but embrace and celebrate the behavior with them.

  • 382. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 25, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Careful Tigre…..its a slippery slope having an opinion and expressing it and stuff….keep this up and the next thing you know, you and a few of your cigar smoking buddies will be castrating that gay colleague in the shed at the golf club.

    You know…the gay dude you get along with at work? Pity you personally find fault with one aspect of his lifestyle…. so you’re gonna chop his balls off and whatnot. Pfessy the snitch said so.

    And your buddy that is known to cheat on his wife? I guess, following Pfessy logic, you need to embrace that as well. So…your gonna do violent stuff to him too. Or maybe not…? I’m confused.

  • 383. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 25, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    “Haven’t you just described the difference between MLK and Malcolm X? Lots of different ways to react to oppression.”

    Personally….while Malcolm X was a threat to this nation….I always respected it, considering it formed during Jim Crow. If I was a black man in 1959 I would have been known as motherfuckin Rabbit X.

    Did Malcolm X frolic on stage in chaps like an ass clown, literally? I’m too young….maybe I need to read more history books

  • 384. El Tigre  |  December 25, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    No golf club for Tigre. I am more Bill Murray than Judge Smails. In fact, I used to carry bags as a teenager.

    But I did finish a La Flor de Cano for lunch and I have a Siglo VI for dessert this evening. I wish I could share with you while we plan Rutherford’s lynching and the castrations gay liberal friends.

    Oh, I forgot. Crocodile PF, the one that has interesting blogging habits for someone pretending to come from a locale with a 14 or 15 hour time difference, declared the end to this subject. :lol:

  • 385. Rutherford  |  December 25, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    “I don’t know the statistics, but many offenders were themselves victims.”

    I DO hope we are separating a discussion of homosexuals from a discussion of pedophiles. The average card carrying gay is not an “offender”.

  • 386. Rutherford  |  December 25, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    “Jackson or Sharpton outliers? ”

    What are you saying here Tigre? I no more think they represent the average black than I think Falwell represented the average Christian. I hope the average Christian was mortified when Falwell blamed 9/11 on gays.

  • 387. Rutherford  |  December 25, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    “Why should Rutherford have a problem with marching baby daughter down to watch men copulate in the streets if it’s acceptable behavior? ”

    This is why these debates go no where. When did I ever say it was acceptable? I said it was explainable. I said its roots might not be in deviance but in defiance of a non accepting society. I never said the public hump and grind was acceptable.

  • 388. Rutherford  |  December 25, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Poolman the only one remotely to blame for Miley other than Miley herself is her daddy Billy Ray and her mother if she has one.

  • 389. El Tigre  |  December 25, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    “What are you saying here Tigre? I no more think they represent the average black than I think Falwell represented the average Christian.”

    And that’s where I think you’re wrong.

    You’ll recall I have had some personal interaction with Sharpton and large portions of the urban black community. Based on what you’ve written, Id wager that I have better understanding of the urban black community than you by miles. The urban black community (at least African American urban community) sing the same tune in virtually all social and political respects.

    I don’t enough about Falwell to comment. However, the “average Christian” is not something I am familiar with, and frankly in this context, I doubt that it exists. In any event, I do know that the opposite can’t be said of 98% of the black and gay communities.

  • 390. dead rabbit  |  December 25, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    People always do what Rutherford is doing. I’ve done it.

    You say, “this is no excuse but __________[fill in excuse].

  • 391. Tex Taylor  |  December 26, 2013 at 12:28 am

    Hey you loons, militant activists, Conservative Klan members, misogynists and misandrists, and other noteworthy blog buddies.

    Merry Christmas.

    Rutherford, you still mad at me, or would you like to see what my girls and wife look like? After five years, you’ve convinced me you’re not an axe murderer.

    I once took a few “liberties” with your Facebook account, decided your daughter was darling, your wife too good for you, and you blacker than I imagined. :lol: Just teasing on the latter there, buddy.

    I took a few pictures today – and my daughters are all grown up! Oldest 17 months away from title of MD. Damn, I’m getting old.

    Tell you what, guys. I’m the luckiest man on earth – blessings bestowed when I ought to be begging for mercy and being run of to the outer reaches.

    For a scumbag and bum, my family sure makes me proud. I think the only thing that saved me from ruin was being surrounded by great women all my life.

    It was a nice Christmas. Hope each of you guys and gal had a nice Christmas too.

  • 392. Tex Taylor  |  December 26, 2013 at 12:29 am

    of/off

  • 393. dead rabbit  |  December 26, 2013 at 12:41 am

    Damn right you are blessed. I’m looking at the beginning of an uncertain journey in child raising.

    Seeing a picture of your family is like watching the guy in front of you hit a bomb off a good pitcher. You know how he took his cut but you still doubt yourself when you dig in the box.

    You did good Tex and nobody can ever that take that away. What else is there in life that matters?

  • 394. poolman  |  December 26, 2013 at 1:45 am

    Poolman the only one remotely to blame for Miley other than Miley herself is her daddy Billy Ray and her mother if she has one.

    Of course she has a mother. But you are proving just as naive about the entertainment industry as you are a lot of other industries. As for her daddy’s involvement, yes, he certainly has led her to slaughter, but now claims he has been cut out of the loop. Miley is a brand name and major marketing tool. The industry will use her however they wish until they no longer have use for her.

    http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/mtv-vmas-2013/

  • 395. parker  |  December 26, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Rutherford, there’s an excellent discussion of the Duck Dynasty brouhaha by Bill O’Reilly.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2956614201001/what-the-duck-dynasty-controversy-is-really-all-about/

    a couple of quick excerpts:

    “luke 6:37: Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.”

    “Judgement is God’s alone. Portraying gay americans as sinners is license to harm them. (Heard that anywhere before?) It is insulting and demeaning. Jesus would persuade, not condemn.

    “We in America are all in this together and that includes gay people. Right now we are divided by ideology, race, moral philosophy and personal conduct. The more we all – we all – try to bridge these gaps, the stronger we will be.”

    I find O’Reilly offensive much of the time, but this is in my opinion a great video. When even O’Reilly tells the haters they are wrong, it’s time for them to listen.

  • 396. El Tigre  |  December 26, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Hey PF, non issue. Next topic. :roll:

  • 397. poolman  |  December 26, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    I really think I’ve experienced enough Billo in my lifetime that I choose to not listen to any more of his wisdom. That said, portraying gays as sinners IS accurate to anyone who knows the Word, but then, so are straights, for “ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23) Is homosexual sin worse than adultery? No, not in God’s eye it isn’t. But homosexuality and adultery ARE both considered sins, along with most other sexual activity. The only exception is sex within a married union between one man and one woman. The Bible condemns the mere thought of sinning. A sin, in the biblical sense, is an archery term meaning ‘miss’. To miss the mark.

    Essentially, the law was established to prove to mankind how far from perfection (God) he is/was. The only remedy is God’s grace and His provision in the person of Jesus Christ. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only son” (John 3:16) It’s a free gift that cannot be earned and there is no favoritism.

    Jesus calls us to repent and turn from sin. As His followers, we are to die to our fleshly desires daily and seek Him and His righteousness. We are to live life through and for Him.

    I do have to chuckle when non believers use the text to justify their argument. Yes, “the wages of sin is death,” (Romans 6:23) but the remedy is repentance of sin and acceptance of Jesus’ Lordship.

    It is an extreme relationship and requires discipline and daily devotion.

    To say Jesus doesn’t condemn sinners is inaccurate. He will judge the nations, condemning many to hell. Yes, He has sympathy for the sinner and His message is love, but the rejection of Him and His message results in condemnation. So He isn’t saying, “Fine, you’re homosexual and I love you for it.” It is more like, “I love you, in spite of the fact you are homosexual. Renounce your homosexuality and follow me, and you will have eternal life.

    The biggest problem I see in our divide and conflict world, is our lack of empathy and compassion for humans different than ourselves. We’d prefer to condemn others rather than forgive them and accept them along with their weaknesses.

    We’ve forgotten what it means to lead by good example.

  • 398. #Occupy Narcissism  |  December 26, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    “The more we all – we all – try to bridge these gaps, the stronger we will be.”

    Bull shit, Pfessy. The more we all think alike is not a good thing. You only want to bridge gaps in ways that are agreeable to you. We see it here all the time. You think you can end discussion at will. You’ve even threatened the running to the Feds, without apology.

    Your lack of confidence in the monetary system could arguably be deemed as dangerous and certainly divisive. After all, the dollar is backed by nothing but confidence. And here you are spreading the notion we shouldn’t have confidence in it.

    You talk about a slippery slope and see no irony in the dangers of forcing Americans to ditch their value system. Notice, its not about imposing a value system that you are bitching about…its simply vocalizing it.

    A&E had every right to can Duckman. Just like the show’s fan base had every right to boycott the show. And boy did said fan base lay the smack down. Sorry Doc……you lose. The Duckman aint afraid to take his ball and go home…..with millions and millions of A&E viewers tagging along with him.

    So keep on bragging that we are becoming more like moral relative Europe if it makes you feel better. Hell….you are right some extent. But….this country still has 100 million plus people who hold a Biblical value system as a compass and square. They fail living up to it everyday, no doubt. But…you can’t shut them up no matter how much you’d like to you.

    Don’t worry…..the Duckman said in his more…uh…elegant portion of the interview…..that he loves you too. So keep your head up, champ. We still think you have the right to rip on Christianity in any way you like. Yup…even on Christmas morning (I read your snarky and shallow Pope comment).

  • 399. El Tigre  |  December 26, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    Crocodile PF feels threatened by Ducky Man. He might impose his non-gay values on. . . Australia or is it New Zealand? Crcodillio might have to watch and formulate his outrage from afar.

  • 400. muffy  |  December 26, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    It was an especially nice Christmas this year – big family on my side, all together on Christmas Eve. After which a delightful variety of individual family members stayed up and talked until the wee hours. I’m exhausted but today and tomorrow is just for reading anyway. I’m going with Psalms and Catcher in the Rye. I’ve read both a hundred times but what can I do – the only thing I’d rather read than a new good book is an old great one.
    :lol: @ Tex’s cup runneth-ing over! :) Good for you, friend. I hope that everyone is feeling as blessed as ole Tex.

    Speaking of good reads, this thread has been a slapper in more ways than one.

  • 401. muffy  |  December 26, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    Pfarker can’t understand that Duckman isn’t a hater. To Pfarker a person’s beliefs are what makes a person who they are. To attack someone’s belief is to attack the person holding the belief. That’s a very common way of thinking actually. Makes sense even.

    How many times has it been said (even here in this thread) – hate the sin, not the sinner. Pfarker doesn’t have the first clue what that means. It’s beyond him. To him they are one and the same. That’s how I form my opinion that he genuinely hates Christians along with the belief in Christ itself – which he also hates. Again, the person and the belief are one and the same.

    In contrast to Pfarker, Duck believes that the core of a person is not our beliefs but our soul. Our souls impact our beliefs, and because a Duckman believes that our beliefs can send our souls to their final destination – it’s imperative that he answer honestly.

    This is a huge source of conflict when Christians criticize beliefs they consider wrong even though it’s often done out of honest love, but that same criticism is interpreted as “hate” by mischief-makers like Pfesser/Parker who take great joy in sowing discord.

  • 402. muffy  |  December 26, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    I meant our beliefs impact our souls.

  • 403. parker  |  December 26, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Rutherford: The movement for equal rights in US is based on the fundamental belief in the equal protection of the law. That means equal protection for us, but it also means equal protection for the people who hate us.

    I do not believe Phil Robertson falls into the “hater” category, but no matter whether he does or not: he was asked a straight question and gave an honest answer. Whether anyone agrees with him is irrelevant. He was not proselytizing, preaching, grabbing anybody by the collar or forcing his opinion on anyone. A breath of fresh air, really…

    Let the man have his say; he is a self-made millionaire, and came by it honestly, by all reports. Let the haters have their says, also; they have that right. Their messiah would be ashamed of them, as was shown in a previous post about judging, and in a rousing video by a VERY prominent arch-conservative, Bill O’Reilly – with quite amusing result.

    Guess that’s why they call him O’Reilly – he has a talent for riling the less-gifted among us.

  • 404. Rutherford  |  December 26, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    “It was a nice Christmas. Hope each of you guys and gal had a nice Christmas too.”

    I slept through most of mine but thanks for the wishes just the same.

    You are truly blessed. Take that religiously, secularly or any way you please. You have much to be thankful for.

  • 405. Rutherford  |  December 26, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    “However, the “average Christian” is not something I am familiar with, and frankly in this context, I doubt that it exists.”

    In this context?

    Well let’s put it this way. If you’re going to stand firm that Al Sharpton represents the average black man and Dan Savage represents the average gay man then I will stand firm that Falwell represents the average Christian complete with his self righteous hatred of “sinners”.

    P.S. I don’t happen to believe any of those are true.

  • 406. Rutherford  |  December 26, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    “You have on more than one occasion demanded various religious denominations and political entities to own all under their banner but no way do mainstream homosexuals have to own NAMBLA.”

    Alfie this makes so little sense on so many levels.

    The Catholic Church by virtue of inaction and obfuscation tolerated the sexual abuse committed by their priests. It is fully appropriate to call them out on it.

    There is no gay church. The only “gay” org I know of, GLADD has never endorsed NAMBLA so to blame gays for NAMBLA is off the mark.

    Sexuality and deviancy are very complicated. I would submit a sizable number of NAMBLA members and wanna be members are married men who are more intrigued by the age of the boys vs their gender.

    Bottom line: to smear the gay community with the NAMBLA label is a bridge too far.

  • 407. James  |  December 26, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    We just returned for a few days. Christmas was nice, and a big surprise was the lap top computer our daughter and son-in law gave us in gratitude for caring for their grand daughter.

    Our daughter looked at some early pictures and was appauled by photos of the baby with the little misshapen head. Doctors still don’t know why she is as she is. Her head is more normal now.

    We attended a Christmas Eve service, and our grand daughter was engaged she played peek a boo with a man behind us. Someone else said she was the best behaved baby her age she had seen.

    Then, our son- in law showed her off at the TV station, and she was a hit there too.

    Our grand daughter was so energized she wouldn’t stop babbling for over an hour, and she wouldn’t sleep;.

    She is a little over six months old, and can’t crawl, but she has discovered she can move by rolling. She laughs and babbles as if she is pleased with herself. My wife sometimes plays music for her.Two days ago, she noticed the cd player on the floor and though it took over a half hour, she rolled across the room to the radio and began playing with the dials.

    On another day,she realized I couldn’t see her behind the lap top computer I was using. She rolled to where could I see her and then to where I couldn’t see her. As I said “peek a boo” she smiled and laughed.

    I read an article about our beliefs relative to what they were during the beginning of our nation. People were so religious with competing denominations, they wanted the government out, with not even a recognition of Christmas.

    Those devout people knew much of the Christmas celebration rests on pagan roots. As religious fervor subsided, the Christmas we know gradually evolved.

  • 408. James  |  December 26, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    News Busters has a link to the Daily Mail “National Health Shambles…” That could be us in a few years.

  • 409. dead rabbit  |  December 27, 2013 at 12:13 am

    Man…I just busted out a bottle of mead I made more then a half a decade that I thought was a failure. It was too “hot”…in other words way too thin and alcoholic. After five years…it rounded out amazingly.

    I fucking drain poured 8 bottles when we moved from our old house!

    Stupid!

    I’m thinking about getting a couple hives this year and making mead straight from my own backyard.

  • 410. dead rabbit  |  December 27, 2013 at 12:15 am

    James….your right except for us Catholics. We always liked Christmas!

  • 411. El Tigre  |  December 27, 2013 at 2:15 am

    “Well let’s put it this way. If you’re going to stand firm that Al Sharpton represents the average black man and Dan Savage represents the average gay man then I will stand firm that Falwell represents the average Christian complete with his self righteous hatred of “sinners”. ”

    This doesn’t make sense any level.

    Falwell preaches hatred of sinners?

    The Catholic Church is represented by Falwell and preaches hatred of sinners?

    Quakers preach hatred of sinners?

    Episcopalians preach hatred of sinners?

    How about your Mom? Did she preach hatred of sinners?

    Now on the social and political issues and racial injustice that Sharpton and Jackson speak out on, you don’t find it representative of the average urban African American? Methinks you’re mistaken.

    How do you look at black urban political solidarity. Do you think it’s the same for all “Christians?” It’d truly be a miracle for Obama or any other dem to be in office if that were true, don’t you think?

    But it matters not. You will reuse to accept the assertion out of hand no matter how true it is.

  • 412. El Tigre  |  December 27, 2013 at 2:18 am

    “The movement for equal rights in US is based on the fundamental belief in the equal protection of the law. That means equal protection for us, but it also means equal protection for the people who hate us.”

    By “us,” do you mean “us Yanks?”

  • 413. Tex Taylor  |  December 27, 2013 at 2:33 am

    Their messiah would be ashamed of them, as was shown in a previous post about judging, and in a rousing video by a VERY prominent arch-conservative, Bill O’Reilly – with quite amusing result.

    Not our Messiah. The Messiah, for there is no other.

    Bill O’Reilly is an interesting man, even writes fine books of which I have read all three Killing XXX, but his theology is fundamentally incorrect. O’Reilly is also of the belief if you live a “good life”, you get a ticket to heaven. That could not be more wrong according to all of the New Testament including the Four Gospels.

    So Bill O’Reilly should be the last man we should be trusting about the message Jesus taught.

    People that criticize Christians for not supporting gay marriage and attempt to use Jesus to defend that position, are reprobates intending to defile. Apparently, they have no idea starting with Sodom, it was Jesus who laid waste to their cities and called homosexuality an abomination beginning in Levitical Law.

    Common malady amongst the goats…

    The height of hypocrisy amongst the less wise but most arrogant, is to deny everything the Christ ever said including who Jesus Himself said He was while calling Him a liar in the denial, then to attempt to use Jesus as measuring stick to judge. Good thing Parker a second rate doctor – he would have made an even worse failure as attorney attempting to prevent evidence like that.

    In addition, Parker has continually claimed evolution to explain all there is, but then when the evolutionary nature of biology has declared homosexuality defective and a dead end, suddenly the man ‘gets religion’ and reverts back to some twisted form of preaching, ignoring basic anatomical and gamete biology.

    Is the man really this illogical, this irrational, or simply this angry?

    IMO, it’s a little of each of these. The arrogance has blinded the glaring weaknesses, the pseudo science repeated time and again has deafened the ears, and his own deviant perversion refusing virtue and righteousness, so arrogant to believe himself sovereign, has blinded the eyes. Lacking God, Parker lacks anything of real wisdom or lasting contentment and lashes out – observing real Christians having a peace he himself cannot find.

    Rather than listen to Christians, Parker like his father is left with only one choice – the rejection of God and his people. This is the predictable outcome of any man believing himself wise in his own eyes and mortal man sovereign.

    In Parker’s insidiousness, I always reminded myself that Christ said, “If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.”

  • 414. parker  |  December 27, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Rutherford: Nice article in NY Post on Obamacare fees:

    http://nypost.com/2013/12/25/new-obamacare-fees-coming-in-2014/

    If you folks think you’ve seen some controversy, gird your loins: this is going to be a bloodbath.

  • 415. parker  |  December 27, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Your last comment was a little worrisome, Rutherford. FWIW – which, admittedly, isn’t much – everybody here is pulling for you. I hope the Holiday Doldrums don’t have you by the thatch. You’re at a pretty high latitude, right? Long nights in winter – it can really get you down.

    A bit of cold comfort, but in a way it’s a blessing to be a little insolvent in US. Buggers who have put any money away are going to lose it in the next couple of years; they could have spent it and at least got something for it. Ignore Milton Friedman at your peril. Your president grew up at Friedman’s door in Chicago and he can’t even spell Friedman.

    Anyway, best to you from everybody.

  • 416. James  |  December 27, 2013 at 10:38 am

    “in a way, it’s a blessing to be a little bit insolvent in US.’ it is until interest rates rise.

    Rabbit, my wife was confirmed Catholic and Protestant. She is covered either way.

    Best wishes to you too.

  • 417. poolman  |  December 27, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    And now, for that final offering in Rutherford’s fantasy suicide hotline trilogy…

  • 418. Tex Taylor  |  December 27, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    “Hello, and welcome to Crisis hotline……”

    If you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly.

    If you are co-dependent, please ask someone to press 2 for you.

    If you have multiple personalities, press 3, 4, 5, and 6.

    If you are paranoid, stay on the line so we can trace your call.

    If you are delusional, press 7 and your call will be transferred
    to the mother ship.

    If you are schizophrenic, listen carefully and a small voice will
    tell you which number to press.

    If you are a manic-depressive, it doesn’t matter which number you
    press, no one will answer.

    If you are dyslexic, press 9696969696969696.

    If you have a nervous disorder, please fidget with the pound key
    until a representative comes on the line.

    If you have amnesia, press 8 and state your name, address,
    telephone number, date of birth, social security number, and your
    mother’s maiden name.

    If you have post-traumatic stress disorder, s-l-o-w-l-y & c-a-r-
    e-f-u-l-l-y press 0 0 0.

    If you have bipolar disorder, please leave a message after the
    beep or before the beep or after the beep. Please wait for the
    beep.

    If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short-
    term memory loss, press 9. If you have short-term memory loss,
    press 9. If you have short-term memory loss, press 9.

    If you have low self-esteem, please hang up. All operators are
    too busy.

    If you are menopausal, hang up, turn on the fan, lay down & cry.
    You won’t be crazy forever.

    If you are blonde don’t press any buttons, you’ll just mess it
    up.

  • 419. parker  |  December 27, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Interesting thing about homosexuality: it should be an evolutionary dead end, yet the percentage of homosexuals has remained pretty much constant over the ages – summat 1.5% I think, implying that nature – or gods – must have some reason for keeping that sexual orientation in the population. What could that reason be?

    Whistling by the graveyard notwithstanding, Kinsey also “reported that 37% of men in the U.S. had achieved orgasm through contact with another male after adolescence,” so the macho-male thing doesn’t bear much scrutiny. We are all part of the other sex; those who are secure in their sexuality don’t mind acknowledging that fact.

  • 420. Tex Taylor  |  December 27, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    You mean now you want to tell me homosexuality is not an evolutionary dead end? How’s that work? Immaculate queers?

    1 out Of 32 Americans under correctional supervision, 1 out of 88 males will be born autistic, and 1 In 3 black males will go to prison in their lifetime. Your statistic is meaningless – there’s always behavioral and genetic deviations outside a normalized distribution, learned and congenital. So what?

    Kinsey? You mean the pedophile Kinsey? That’s who were now supposed believe as arbiter? The pedophile? Those Kinsey reports were long ago discounted as rank propaganda of a perverted couple – in fact, if memory serves, Kinsey was a flaming fag.

    If you were secure in your sexuality, you wouldn’t be swinging with other old, fat people. :twisted: You may be the most insecure, sexualized repressed man I’ve ever read.

    I think you had “issues” as a child – which manifested in adulthood. Like Larry Flynt.

  • 421. El Tigre  |  December 27, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    Has the rate of incest changed over time?

  • 422. dead rabbit  |  December 27, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    I swear I remember studying in my Anthropology class tribesman who don’t have a word for homosexuality because even the notion of such a thing is non existent.

    And I always figured there wad a lot more fatness in ancient Greece. Although who knows.

    So….did he just make up the “constant” rate or is there evidence behind his latest fatwa?

  • 423. dead rabbit  |  December 27, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    Gayness…
    Not fatness. Danger auto correct.

  • 424. dead rabbit  |  December 27, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    It infuriates me that liberals got their way with allowing women in USMC combat roles yet the women do not have to do one stinking pull up.

    I don’t know shit about combat. But I was a fire fighter for the town our base was next to and did do ship board fire fighting school. Mark my words. You do not want a female fire fighter saving your life because….rrrrrabit drum roll….she can’t do it. Simple as that. She can’t lift you. I can barely lift you and I can bench 315. Every female firefighter you see shouldn’t be there. PC liberal garbage.

  • 425. Rutherford  |  December 27, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Tex finally got around to my email and will reply as soon as I get a chance but for the time being, thank you.

  • 426. dead rabbit  |  December 27, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Well….if you don’t here from me after Sunday you will know why. I’m buying land and a mobile home in one of the poorest counties in northern Michigan. Its a long story, but as a consequence of this transaction I’m by default taking side in a sort of Hatfield and McCoy situation among these Hicks. Its too good of a deal not enter the toothless drama. Someone is also going to get the news that they need to move. Wish me and my six shooter luck :).

  • 427. Tex Taylor  |  December 27, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Tex finally got around to my email and will reply as soon as I get a chance but for the time being, thank you.

    No thank you necessary. It was my pleasure – and heartfelt.

  • 428. James  |  December 28, 2013 at 12:46 am

    i remember a news story about several new female fire fighters. Everyone interviewed said they were doing fine. Maybe they were, but a training scene of fire fighters carrying “victims” from a practice fire featured a woman dropping her end of a stretcher as they went up hill.

  • 429. James  |  December 28, 2013 at 12:47 am

    Good luck rabbit.

  • 430. parker  |  December 28, 2013 at 8:39 am

    Excellent, excellent article: http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/24604732-452/why-duck-dynasty-star-wont-back-down.html

    A summary can’t do it justice, but summarizing anyway:

    1) Phil Robertson believes what he believes, doesn’t try to shove it down anybody’s throat, but doesn’t apologize for it, either. Good on him.
    2) His beliefs do not change under pressure. Double good on him.
    3) His family backs him to the bitter end. That’s called having Principle, and shows what a fine job he’s done as Head of Household. to wit:

    “The executives at A&E weren’t aware of the Fifth Commandment, either — the one that talks about honoring your father. When they decided to punish Phil Robertson, they should have been ready for the immediate response from his sons: We stand by our dad.

    This is a family that honors their father and understands that without his commitment to them, there would be no Robertson family, let alone a Duck Dynasty.

    If only we had more fathers respect their commitments, this country would be in much better shape.”

    Superb. Just superb.

    —–

    4) The author also believes that gay folks should be able to live their lives in peace, and even get married, but doesn’t care much for the PC bullshit.

    “Ironically, there was a day not too long ago when network executives thought it best for gay people to keep quiet about their lifestyle. It would have ruined careers, and shows.

    It was a tragedy that actors such as Rock Hudson had to live a lie their entire adult lives out of fear they might be “outed” and lose everything. It’s a type of cruelty one can’t imagine, being compelled to lie to the world, and even families and friends, about such a fundamental aspect of your life — your sexuality.

    That Ellen DeGeneres can be who she is, and what she is, and do a great show for all to enjoy, and do it with class, style, and wit, is a testament to how far we’ve come as a society. And how tolerant we’ve become. She has many Christian fans. I know, because I’m one of them.

    I also happen to be one of those Christians who believe she should have the right to get married. That the state should be the state, and the church the church, and that we should not punish each other or boycott each other for who we are. And what we think.

    (Hmmm……Heard that anywhere else?)

    “If anything, a new brand of intolerance is rising from certain gay activists hell-bent on bullying Christians into suppressing their core beliefs — or else. They are also showcasing their own narrow-mindedness by judging a man’s entire life through the narrow prism of their own agenda. And one bad sound bite. (Conservatives, too, have been guilty of this same practice; think Bill Maher after 9-11, and the Dixie Chicks during the Iraq War.)”

    Couldn’t have said it better myself. If you want tolerance for yourself, you have to be willing to SHOW tolerance.

    Apparently the authors of the christian bible feel the same way, since they went out of their ways to disavow the haters:

    Lk. 6.3738, 4142
    1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
    2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24
    3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
    4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
    5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

    Ah, the bible – fount of wisdom, it is…

  • 431. muffy  |  December 28, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    You’ll find very little disagreement for that article here Pfarker. I’m glad it spoke it to you. Now try some quiet reflection.

  • 432. El Tigre  |  December 28, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    No shit. A little quiet reflection might help Crocodile identify his bloody self-contradiction.

  • 433. dead rabbit  |  December 28, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    I’ll give Pfessor one thing…I’m now confused.

  • 434. Tex Taylor  |  December 28, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    As Pfesser Parker himself has stated here many times, it’s all a myth. I can only surmise that either Parker searches for truth and can’t find it because of his lack of faith, or can’t understand the meaning because it will not be revealed to him – God measures the heart of man and the veil from eyes not yet lifted perhaps?

    Judge not lest ye be judged? Right? Well, if one would read the context carefully that follows, Jesus tells us explicitly we must judge, for we must be able to discern good from evil, lightness from dark. So did Paul, Peter and James – does Parker know something they didn’t?

    Where there are no standards, there is nothing by which to measure behavior. So what does that verse mean? Should the person who takes Jesus at all seriously kowtow to modern relativism and dogma?

    I believe Parker has confused opinion with judgement. If Parker would bother to read The Sermon on the Mount in its entirety, instead of cherry picking two verses, it becomes most evident that immediately preceding The Sermon, Jesus had just dealt the corrupted religious leaders of the day, the Pharisees. In Matthew 5:20 through 7:6, Jesus warns his disciples against following the traditions and practices of the Pharisees, who judged others as if they themselves were beyond judgment.

    So the real question is, when I tell a homosexual that the practice sinful, am I then declaring my sins beyond judgement? I think not. I believe that all four Gospels make it perfectly clear the sin is not in the judgment, but holding your own sins to a different standard in judgement.

    Now Parker’s “opinion” and concerns would be fair if and only if any of us were declaring our sin to be righteous, even virtuous. For instance, if anybody here were to celebrate and demand we normalize adultery.

    But an opinion is not necessarily the same as a judgment. If all we had were human opinions, we might agree with those who say we should never judge.

    But if you have consulted the moral teachings of Scripture and prayed for spirit-informed discernment, perhaps above all sins besides the rejection of the Holy Spirit, homosexuality is condemned in the strongest of terms.

    Clearly Jesus Christ did not condone the practice.

    So how then could Jesus expect to turn the blind eye and still call ourselves followers of Christ if our “opinions” different from His?

  • 435. parker  |  December 28, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Opinions vs judgment: Sure, opinions are allowed – one may have all the opinions that he wishes – even different ones from the messiah’s. One may NOT, however, judge a person as a sinner and remain true to the scriptures; judgment is god’s alone – he said so, in his inerrant, 100% true bible. And that 100 percent-true bible says in Matthew 7:1 – “Judge not, that ye be not judged.” It doesn’t get any plainer than that. (Man, there’s nothing worse than being rejected as a sinner by the very fellow you’re trying to use to abuse “sinners,” is there?) Sympathy.

    —–

    cherrypicking. How could one possibly cherrypick the bible; it’s 100% true, every word, remember? Any sentence, any phrase, any syllable is by definition true. There is no taking-out-of-context, no opinion allowed – it’s ALL true – every last inerrant syllable the Word_of_god.

    Speaking of cherrypicking, of course, the fact that the christian bible was written long after Jesus’ death, with chapters cherrypicked, some left out, some included – depending, of course, upon whether they helped the Church consolidate its power and profit. If I am not mistaken, nowhere in the christian bible does Jesus claim to be divine; if that is in error, please point it out. While he almost certainly existed and was a helluva nice fella, Jesus’ “holiness” was never his contention – it was invented by those seeking to profit from the Jesus cult.

    Nice work if you can get it.

  • 436. muffy  |  December 28, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Pants on the ground, Pfusser. Looking like a fool with your pants on the ground. Atheism 101 with a couple of Alinsky’s rules thrown in. Seen it a million times.

    All of your dull little jabs and petty tyrannies have been answered here numerous times by a variety of folks. Never to your satisfaction but that’s because life has no meaning anymore for you and nothing is ever good enough. So you sit on your stool in the corner and keep repeating yourself and pretending you can’t hear the responses, fighting with us over things with which we are in agreement.

  • 437. parker  |  December 28, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Good luck to you, Rabbit.

    Don’t be confused; when one frees oneself from the tyranny of right and left and worries about right and wrong, all will become clear. That is, IMHO, Rutherford’s great, unappreciated strength.

  • 438. James  |  December 28, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Parker, here is another try.

    I was taught the Old Testament was of the law and contained instructions on how to live. The New Testament is of grace which gives us a place in Heaven if we ask our savior Jesus into our lives Therefore, in many ways, it countermands the Old Testament. .I don’t believe every word in the Bible is inerrant and to be literally followed today. Most people don’t. We don’t see many Bible Belt stonings do we? One has to visit Muslim countries to see that.

    Its true a committee selected books to be included in the Bible, but that doesn’t mean that committee members concept of God didn’t influence their selections.

    “Judge not”.. is a good line.Without it, I would hate the lying bastard living in our White House.As it is, I save my disdain for his lies and policies, not him.

  • 439. Tex Taylor  |  December 28, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Pfesser,

    Historically clueless, biblically inaccurate, woefully confused.

    You want to live without rules and that is why you try so hard to reject the Bible, because it judges your own sinful nature and exposes you as both fool and a fraud.

    Easily proven that the synoptic gospels were penned within at the very most 40 years of Christ’s death, Corinthians penned approximately 20 years after Christ’s death, and being both Peter and Paul were executed around 60 AD – virtually the entire New Testament written and developed within one generation of Christ’s death and resurrection. We don’t know for sure about 1st, 2nd and 3rd John, Jude, the Gospel John and the Revelation, only to know they were penned before the end of 1st Century AD and the Apostle John’s life. Try to set all that to memory so you don’t look so theologically ignorant next time you spout.

    Do you now discount all of the things you read about Richard Nixon? Or Ronald Reagan? You don’t seem to have a problem reading and believing of Jack Kennedy. And those generally weren’t eye witness and there is far more documentation of the 1st Century Bible – like 6,000 manuscripts in 3 different languages.

    Do you reject everything you read of WWII? No?

    Then you shouldn’t reject eye witness testimony within one generation either…whether you accept it as truth is entirely up to you, but to lie about the history demonstrates you’re a historical dolt and a transparent liar.

    Christ announced Himself Divine dozens of times. In fact, it was entire basis of His 3 1/2 year mission, Einstein. :roll:

    Good grief. You don’t even know the basic theology and still try to use The Word as a hammer. You need to stick with medicine and virtual sex.

  • 440. poolman  |  December 28, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Speaking of cherrypicking, of course, the fact that the christian bible was written long after Jesus’ death, with chapters cherrypicked, some left out, some included – depending, of course, upon whether they helped the Church consolidate its power and profit.

    There is some truth to your statement. His followers didn’t write anything about His life while He was among them, as far as we know. They were not scribes and writing was not common among men. He did not tell them to write down His words. They didn’t expect the need to document anything for another generation as they felt the time for the Kingdom of God had come. It wasn’t until after Jesus had been resurrected and left the planet did anyone put together accounts of His life and ministry. And yes, there are hundreds of accounts for NT and OT the organized church determined which would be part of organized accepted doctrine. While His followers accounts haven’t all lasted through time, many Roman historians did keep an account of Him.

    If I am not mistaken, nowhere in the christian bible does Jesus claim to be divine; if that is in error, please point it out.

    You are mistaken. Plenty enough to one with ears to hear. I mean just read John 10:30. “I and the Father are One” Peruse the context before and after if you need clarification. That whole chapter testifies and would be a good read for greater understanding.

  • 441. Rutherford  |  December 28, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    “A bit of cold comfort, but in a way it’s a blessing to be a little insolvent in US.”

    When I recently shared my layoff from a six figure job with one of my co-workers she replied “the higher you rise the further you have to fall.”

    So is the moral of my life, rise up the economic ladder at your own peril? If that’s so, it’s pretty damn depressing.

    By the way Parker, I have indeed celebrated the passing of the shortest day of the year. I can feel my spirits improving as each successive day adds one minute of sunlight. :-)

  • 442. Rutherford  |  December 28, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    LOL Tex combine your hotline instructions with my hold music and you’ve got the perfect service. :lol:

  • 443. poolman  |  December 28, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    This is a pretty good read for all you science insistigators…

    http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2013/12/25/the-christmas-miracle-scientific-evidence-of-the-virgin-birth/

  • 444. Rutherford  |  December 28, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Larry Flynt had issues as a child? You mean issues of Playboy I assume. :-)

  • 445. Rutherford  |  December 28, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    “Gayness…
    Not fatness. Danger auto correct.”

    LOL I assumed fatness was a typo for fagness.

  • 446. Rutherford  |  December 28, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Rabbit wouldn’t you agree a far fairer statement would be there are far fewer women capable of fire fighting than men? Not sure you should close the door on the entire gender.

    I know you think I’m a pussy but I’ve seen women who physically scare the shit out of me.

  • 447. Rutherford  |  December 28, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    Parker I hate to tell you it’s all about the Benjamins. The duck dynasty brouhaha will resolve itself to the max profitability of A&E and the Robertsons, principles be damned.

  • 448. Rutherford  |  December 28, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Muffy as the lone female “regular” here, would you entertain a question?

    Why aren’t there more pro-life women out there holding their sisters to a higher standard? As I watched yet another abortion themed discussion on TV today and I thought about the fact that many women say men should STFU on the subject, I asked myself why don’t we see women out there at least saying “Stop using abortion as birth control!”

    Any thoughts?

  • 449. muffy  |  December 28, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    R @ #448 – I don’t know. I suppose it could be because such women aren’t as high-profile or as vociferous as the abortion advocates.

    By the way, abortion isn’t a women-only issue and never will be insofar as men are human too. When male fetuses are no longer aborted, and men no longer perform abortions or pressure women to have them, or are no longer shut out of the decision, and other moral debates are not sex-specific – they can speak their minds.

  • 450. muffy  |  December 28, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    I should have worded that last differently in that that’s when men can stop weighing in on the debate (when it no longer affects them) – but you guys know what I meant.

  • 451. dead rabbit  |  December 28, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    I’m cool with letting women do any job they are qualified for.

  • 452. dead rabbit  |  December 28, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Re: abortion.

    Rutherford, your theory that the pro life movement is made up of a bunch of old white guys out of touch with womanhood is just not correct.

    And I’m telling…the young pro life movement is a by far majority female. Mark my words…..in the next twenty years women will poll more pro life then men.

    As for pro life demonstrations, we have guys on my Catholic softball team that do it. It is often very dangerous. They go into the ghetto where so many of these abortions take place and put themselves out there. One guy said he wouldn’t feel comfortable having me join him because my kids are so young.

    They find themselves in very risky situations.

    You know abortion is wrong but you hide behind this bull shit liberal construct that ultimately, its a woman’s choice. Wrong is wrong. Even if men had nothing to do with abortion or reproduction…it doesn’t invalidate men speaking up for babies in the womb.

    We have nothing to do with morning doves. Can’t relate with one. Doesn’t mean I turn a blind eye to someone breaking dove eggs for no good reason.

  • 453. Rutherford  |  December 28, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    “Rutherford, your theory that the pro life movement is made up of a bunch of old white guys out of touch with womanhood is just not correct.”

    Wow did you take a leap there. I know full well there are loads of pro-life women. My question to Muffy is why don’t we hear from more of them? I’ll draw an analogy, perhaps weak but what the hell.

    We have all, even I, applauded Bill Cosby when he calls out blacks for their ignorant shit. So why have we not seen a prominent woman speak out to “her own” on not using abortion as contraception?

    That was the crux of my question to Muffy.

  • 454. dead rabbit  |  December 29, 2013 at 1:06 am

    I’m saying there is a huge female presence in the pro life movement. You don’t seem to contest that. Your question for why they don’t get more air time is an interesting one for me as well. I have my theories. What are some of yours?

  • 455. Huck  |  December 29, 2013 at 1:25 am

    “So why have we not seen a prominent woman speak out to “her own” on not using abortion as contraception?”

    We have…and you have made a blogging career of ridiculing her.

  • 456. muffy  |  December 29, 2013 at 1:32 am

    You don’t hear pro-life women shutting men out of the debate. That’s probably because it’s not a women-only issue but a human one.

    Your analogy and your initial questiin fails to take that into consideration, R.

  • 457. Rutherford  |  December 29, 2013 at 1:50 am

    “We have…and you have made a blogging career of ridiculing her.”

    Sorry, I meant a prominent woman with some credibility. ;-)

    I should have been more specific.

  • 458. Rutherford  |  December 29, 2013 at 1:55 am

    Muffy it’s fine for pro-life women not to shut men out of the debate but I still think the message coming from a credible articulate woman might have more resonance with other women.

    In answer to Rabbits question, if I go back to my Cosby analogy, he got some heat from blacks for airing dirty laundry and delivering an unpopular message. The same might be true of pro-life women who don’t want to be labeled a sellout to the sisterhood.

  • 459. Rutherford  |  December 29, 2013 at 1:57 am

    Oh and I forgot Rabbit, the evil liberal media doesn’t give them air time. Were you headed there?

  • 460. poolman  |  December 29, 2013 at 2:02 am

    Abortion always ends a life. I think statistically numbers are trending down over all, though up among certain demographics. Mainly it’s a wedge issue first used to involve the christian right in the political sphere and giving the GOP a boost thereby.

    Abortion as birth control is a symptom of a greater problem that cannot be won by law. Actually law is never the answer. The greater problem is a breakdown of society beginning with each family that lacks the proper role models and fails to designate age-appropriate boundaries. The answer lies with better and early education regarding everything, including sex and, when possible, NOT administered through the state. It requires families to step up to the responsibility of child rearing. With all we know, we still don’t produce healthy people. It is a shame on the surface, but sinister in regard to those who set about to undermine a healthy society. Healthy folks don’t profit the health industry, unless and until a government mandate. Enter Obamacare…

    Nothing better ever changes from the top. A child has to be brought up responsibly to expect that adult to exhibit responsible behavior.

    We, as a culture, have given up the burden of responsibility to the state, believing it noble and wise. It has sold us time and again on its nobility and wisdom, but now we see it for what it is. Naked… empty… ugly :twisted:

    But hey, we saved the car industry. Jobs they say that can’t be lost. Too big to fail. :roll: Like the banks and wall street…

    Driving kills around 30,000 per year in America, but no one would give up driving for safer means of transportation (Think for one minute the revenue impact driving has on a community). Much of the automotive deaths involve alcohol and/or pharmaceuticals.

    What about the rich kid that killed 4 people while driving drunk that got off because of affluenza? Too rich to jail. Two-tiered justice. He who has the gold makes the rules. :evil:

    Gun deaths are declining even as guns and gun ownership is way up. [pun alert] Business is booming! I think annually around 16,000 are killed by guns, mostly handguns. Over 500 folks are shot and killed annually by law enforcement. Big pharma claims 65,000 deaths per year. I think hospitals mishaps are near 75,000. Suicides are up and account for near 40,000 per year, many included in gun and pharma stats.

    Predator drones end lives probably at the highest cost per kill, both in monetary cost and in establishing the greatest number of new sworn enemies per payload. Yet death by terrorist ranks down around death by vending machine. Of course, no one is taking out vending machines with a joystick. Not to my knowledge, anyway.

    It is difficult to us seriously anymore.

  • 461. poolman  |  December 29, 2013 at 2:07 am

    to *take* us

  • 462. muffy  |  December 29, 2013 at 2:32 am

    “Muffy it’s fine for pro-life women not to shut men out of the debate but I still think the message coming from a credible articulate woman might have more resonance with other women.”

    Hardly. Abortion advocates discredit and dismiss pro-life women as sweepingly and disparagingly as they do pro-life men. Pro-life women also get the special added label as traitors and that tired canard “too stupid to vote/advocate in their own self-interest.” It’s not “fine” for pro-life women to not shut men out of the debate – it’s FAIR. Like I said it’s a human issue but abortion advocates see abortion as a women-only issue. “Her body, her choice.”

    I know of one pro-life progressive woman and the left kicks her around like she’s a closet conservative. She doesn’t buckle under the castigation but neither does she “have more resonance.”

    No one resonates to a closed mind.

  • 463. muffy  |  December 29, 2013 at 2:42 am

    “In answer to Rabbits question, if I go back to my Cosby analogy, he got some heat from blacks for airing dirty laundry and delivering an unpopular message. The same might be true of pro-life women who don’t want to be labeled a sellout to the sisterhood.”

    You’re barking up the wrong tree Rutherford. Labels don’t deter the pro-life woman – she’s just shouted down and marginalized so that she isn’t heard.

    Same as conservative black men.

    “Your question for why they don’t get more air time is an interesting one for me as well. I have my theories. What are some of yours?”

    I hope you’ll elaborate rabbit.

  • 464. El Tigre  |  December 29, 2013 at 3:05 am

    Camille Paglia speaks to it, just not in a way R would deem “credible” because she does not conflate pro-life/ “abortion is murder” with the exercise of government power to proscribe.

    “It is nonsensical and counterproductive for Democrats to imagine that pro-life values can be defeated by maliciously destroying their proponents. And it is equally foolish to expect that feminism must for all time be inextricably wed to the pro-choice agenda. There is plenty of room in modern thought for a pro-life feminism — one in fact that would have far more appeal to third-world cultures where motherhood is still honored and where the Western model of the hard-driving, self-absorbed career woman is less admired.”

  • 465. Huck  |  December 29, 2013 at 3:12 am

    “I still think the message coming from a credible articulate woman might have more resonance with other women.”

    Notice how Rutherford keeps moving the goalposts?

    Would you like to add any more qualifiers now, or wait until we give you another person?

  • 466. Rutherford  |  December 29, 2013 at 4:04 am

    “I know of one pro-life progressive woman and the left kicks her around like she’s a closet conservative.”

    Ok c’mon don’t leave me in suspense. Who is she?

  • 467. Rutherford  |  December 29, 2013 at 4:10 am

    Huck I’m not moving goalposts. I just never expected you to include Sarah Palin in any serious discussion.

    Tigre Camille Paglia is a bit of a crackpot but she’s a damn sight smarter than Palin so …

    Score one for El Tigre.

    P.S. If memory serves, back in the day Paglia was urging women to treat their men like kings in order to maintain a happy marriage. Really pissed off mainstream feminists back then.

  • 468. muffy  |  December 29, 2013 at 4:28 am

    R – Kirsten Powers is pro life.

  • 469. parker  |  December 29, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Rutherford – talk about coincidence: I was just reading a great article about Camille Paglia in an old WSJ. I wanted to see what you thought about her contention that primary schools are neutering little boys. Also the comment about eliminating recesses.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303997604579240022857012920?mod=trending_now_1

    Paglia vs Palin? Surely that’s a joke.

  • 470. Alfie  |  December 29, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Rutherford I think you are wrapped up in the wrong question set. You wonder where the sole or handful of pro-life celebrities are. That is YOUR real question. The answer to that is there really isn’t any since the pro-life folks are not active on this issue for personal notoriety or alliance building.
    Your Cosby analogy kind of falls flat when you realize Cosby’s infraction of speaking the truth was accepted or at least tolerated. How many right of center [social policy wise] black pastors still get rained on with either intolerant rage or the classic “if we ignore them they don’t exist” plan.

  • 471. Alfie  |  December 29, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    @ Parker I’ve mentioned her before but Kay Hymowitz is very vocal on the boys and society topic. Her book Manning Up was a good read.

  • 472. Alfie  |  December 29, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    re 471 I had no idea Amazon embedded like that,sorry for the space eat up.

  • 473. Alfie  |  December 29, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Amazon and Apple…making the NSA look like trick or treaters yet the masses don’t say boo.
    I toss that to the resident Snowden boosters

  • 474. El Tigre  |  December 29, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Don’t apologize. R needed the graphic.

    R, I don’t get the bit about who you view as smarter or a crack pot. The folks you incessantly listen to are dumb fucks and off completely of their rockers. Honestly, that MSNBC is just astounding in what it will broadcast.

    As for celebrities, how can you say access to a biased media doesn’t count in what you view as some kind of non-existent belief system?

  • 475. parker  |  December 29, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Alfie – thanks so much; I’ll order it right away. I think there has been a real disservice done to boys these days, largely by the PC crowd, and to some extent by the education system, if you can call it that. Boys used to whoop and holler and play cowboys-and-Indians; hell, nowadays if a boy points his finger at another and goes, “bang, bang” he’s immediately taken in hand by the adults and abused until he understands good an proper that any aggression will be met with severe consequences.

    I read something years ago that called it the “Alan-Aldazation” of the modern male.

    Kathleen Parker also has a fine book on the subject called, “Save the Males.”

    Forgive my rambling a bit: are you familiar with the phthalates-in-clear-plastics theory?

  • 476. parker  |  December 29, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    Alfie – got it, thanks. I’ll read it after work today. Looks pretty quick. Amazon recommended a lot of other books on the subject that got better reviews, though…

  • 477. poolman  |  December 29, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Here are some true words to an active and aware collective…

    The best defense for democracy is found in the organization, mobilization and political education of the electoral majority. It is not enough to participate in free elections; an educated and politicized majority must also know how to defend their democracy in the streets as well as at the ballot box.

    Rutherford, add this to your downer topic reality file…

    Today, “mass revolts” against democracy have become standard operational procedure for Western European and US rulers who seek to circumvent democratic procedures and install pro-imperial clients. The practice of democracy is denigrated while the mob is extolled in the imperial Western media. This is why armed Islamist terrorists and mercenaries are called “rebels” in Syria and the mobs in the streets of Kiev (Ukraine) attempting to forcibly depose a democratically-elected government are labeled “pro-Western democrats”.

    It’s a pretty dark world and the best thing we can do is bring these ugly things to light to totally defeat them. We continue to discuss theories of how to treat the myriad of symptoms never getting to the root, the corrupt core, the source of all darkness.

  • 478. Rutherford  |  December 29, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    “Amazon and Apple…making the NSA look like trick or treaters yet the masses don’t say boo.
    I toss that to the resident Snowden boosters”

    Funny, I’m watching this very topic on Face the Nation as I type this.

    Alfie I think you make a major blunder when you see no difference between how private enterprise uses our information vs how the government uses it.

    Amazon and Apple can’t put you in prison.

  • 479. Rutherford  |  December 29, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Tigre please. Let’s not do an IQ comparison between MSNBC and Fox. I could get Fox’s level of intellect by shooting the shit with the guys at the local bar.

    I need a roadmap to get through your last paragraph. Let’s just say although I was being a bit snarky with Rabbit I will confess it is hard for a pro-life “celebrity” to get a fair hearing in a liberal leaning media.

  • 480. Rutherford  |  December 29, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    ” It is not enough to participate in free elections; ”

    Poolman please. Following the Supreme Court decision Republican legislatures couldn’t move fast enough to make it harder for liberal leaning constituencies to vote. We are fast approaching the end of free elections.

    Add to that the fact that only the wealthy can run for office nowadays and our so called democracy is becoming a joke.

    And you are silent on these matters while you chase down the new world order run by Jews.

  • 481. Tex Taylor  |  December 29, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    Let’s not do an IQ comparison between MSNBC and Fox. I could get Fox’s level of intellect by shooting the shit with the guys at the local bar.

    Better be a pretty smart local bar. Bill O’Reilly scored 1585 on SAT.

  • 482. Rutherford  |  December 29, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    While I once held him in great disdain I now see O’Reilly as one of the smarter ones. Not because of what he says but because he knows the effect of what he says.

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if O’Reilly is a liberal doing the conservative shtick for fun and profit.

    Then again legend has it that he was shocked that patrons of the soul food restaurant Sylvia’s didn’t shout orders for “motherfucking iced tea”. LOL

    Now Tex I know you don’t believe in these artificial measurements of intelligence anyway. Remember how you dismissed Maddow being a Rhodes Scholar?

  • 483. El Tigre  |  December 29, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    No road map needed. You just need to follow my response to your own comments. Paglia is a crackpot and Palin is an idiot and somehow that addresses your point? As Huck said, just keep adjusting what you deem credible or valid then claim that you’ve made your point.

    And sorry. You mock Palin while consuming a bunch shit from morons. I don’t watch Fox nor does it matter. Nothing Fox does or doesn’t do elevates the intellectual septic tank at MSNBC. You’d truly be better for turning it off.

  • 484. Alfie  |  December 29, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Rutherford your blunder is that you truly believe the govt. has the same type of individual identifying information that the privates do. Big data is a reality that isn’t going to go away and is likely to run roughshod for some time before there is any reining in. There is a blurring of lines a coming and the liberals will the most hypocritical as it rolls out. We will see it here in these very threads.
    I would love the visitors here to share whether they truly believe government or the private sector has more and freely uses more personal information about them.
    I’ll start. I KNOW for a fact that I have more reason to be concerned with the retailers and private e forces than I do the government. Whether it is Apple who knows where I’m typing this,verizon and t mobile who know where I am at a given moment or places like Target who can’t keep records safe.
    I don’t use Amazon but what do you guys think kindle plus prime is meant to accomplish? It is meant to target you…spoiler!

  • 485. dead rabbit  |  December 29, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    A woman with a conservative bent has to endure a grueling attack by the left. Its not her opinions, its the very core of her being that the left goes after. Very few are able to handle this kind of attack. The left is sexist on a profane level. MSM is really only interested in picking a part eccentric odd ball type women who seem to dish it back (but often times lower themselves to the same level).

    Real conservative women are invisible to liberals.

    I know I sometimes attack the manhood of liberals. I can’t help it. So I’m not immune to this kind of stuff. But, the liberal man as all of academia, Hollywood and the MSM to prop him up as the ideal man (see Pajama boy)

    A conservative woman is all on her own.

    And…like Tiger says…..this b.s. that a pro life stance negates feminism is garbage.

    We need to honor mothers like we do combat veterans. I really do mean that.

  • 486. dead rabbit  |  December 29, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    Alfie,

    I’m with Rutherford. The state wields power that Apple just doesn’t have.

    We’ve already scene it with the IRS.

    I don’t like the fact the corporate America tries to spy on me to see what sales demographic I fall in.

    I’m livid that the strongest nation of all time, one that seems to disregard separation of powers almost daily, is spying on me sans warrant. Its a classic violation of the constitution I’m my book.

    They have no right to log who I correspond with because I vaguely know someone who knows someone who knows someone who might be a terrorist from overseas.

    …true story…..my brothers mother-in-law used to date Kevin Bacon. I don’t know shit about Kevin Bacon.

    We have a reasonable expectation of privacy I’m this country.

    We all should be ashamed over how little we debated the Patriot Act. All of us. What cowards we were.

  • 487. Huck  |  December 30, 2013 at 1:47 am

    “Huck I’m not moving goalposts. I just never expected you to include Sarah Palin in any serious discussion.”

    Bullshit.

    You said “a prominent woman”.

    She is a woman, do you agree? I already know you think she’s prominent, because you write about her every chance you get.

    “Paglia vs Palin? Surely that’s a joke.”

    Feel free to show where anyone pitted the 2 against each other. They share the same position on the topic at hand.

    “Tigre please. Let’s not do an IQ comparison between MSNBC and Fox. I could get Fox’s level of intellect by shooting the shit with the guys at the local bar.”

    And we could get MSNBC’s level of intellect by coming here and reading your blogs. Take that as you will….

  • 488. Tex Taylor  |  December 30, 2013 at 4:17 am

    Now Tex I know you don’t believe in these artificial measurements of intelligence anyway. Remember how you dismissed Maddow being a Rhodes Scholar?

    followed by

    And we could get MSNBC’s level of intellect by coming here and reading your blogs.

    :lol: :lol: Best comeback I’ve seen in some time. No need to pile on, as Huck did it for me.

    I don’t put a lot of stock in these Intelligence Tests – but the SAT is a test; a Rhodes Scholar is a selection and an obvious political one at that.

    Remember, my own daughter was asked to apply for the Rachel/Bill Clinton Rhodes Scholar B.S. took one look at the qualifications and said, “Crock…” No thanks, although she was nicer about than I would have been when she told them she didn’t feel she had the time to give it due diligence.

    Tell me, what was the athleticism portion of the achievement that Maddow and Slick Willie excelled at again when they won the Rhodes? :neutral:

    Come on, Rutherford. You know better than I do that those Scholarship Awards are loaded.

  • 489. Tex Taylor  |  December 30, 2013 at 4:22 am

    I say that Camille Paglia article and read it the other day. Interesting woman…I’ve been reading some of her stuff for a while and quite get a handle on her.

    But I do believe Paglia wickedly bright and wonderfully independent. If more libbies were like her in thinking for themselves instead of parroting the talking points, I’d feel a whole lot better about where the country is heading.

  • 490. Tex Taylor  |  December 30, 2013 at 4:34 am

    Damn, “saw” the article.

    I’ve been bitching about the way America’s boys have been treated second class for at least 20 years, and this from a father with no sons. I’ve witnessed the double standard the entire time my girls were being raised.

    If you’re a man and worked in Corporate America in the 80s, you couldn’t get away from the PC shit of every man a predator, every woman a saint. Every fricking HR Dept. in America made a practice of misandry – and pussified male Execs with squirrel sized balls let them get away with it.

    The first Conservative woman I remember making it an issue because she saw the way her son(s) were being treated was Linda Chavez. Melanie Phillips is another.

    I guess I’m still from the Stone Age and believe men necessary. So does my wife, I might add.

  • 491. Tex Taylor  |  December 30, 2013 at 5:03 am

    Did my virtual drinking buddies see this article? I always thought Dave Barry pretty funny…

    For instance…

    January

    … which begins with a crisis in Washington, a city that — despite having no industries and a workforce consisting almost entirely of former student council presidents — manages to produce 93 percent of the nation’s crises.
    :twisted:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/dave-barrys-review-of-2013-the-year-of-the-zombies/2013/12/20/c7cfa5fe-5dc2-11e3-bc56-c6ca94801fac_story.html

  • 492. muffy  |  December 30, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Wouldn’t pro-choice women have the most resonance if they spoke out “to their own on not using abortion as contraception?”

  • 493. muffy  |  December 30, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    “[Cosby] got some heat from blacks for airing dirty laundry and delivering an unpopular message. The same might be true of pro-life women who don’t want to be labeled a sellout to the sisterhood.”

    Here’s a suggestion for Cosby’s next delivery. This article details the demographics (“the reality is that the typical abortion patient these days is a twenty-something single mother of color”) and then at the end offers the misguided (read dishonest) excuse-making as solution (the government evidently is not involved enough in the bedroom).

    http://prospect.org/article/demographics-abortion-its-not-what-you-think

    Bill Gates is offerring 100K to anyone who can invent a next-gen condom that feels good. At least he’s on the right track.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/03/25/bill-gates-offers-grant-for-next-generation-condom/

  • 494. poolman  |  December 30, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    And you are silent on these matters while you chase down the new world order run by Jews.

    The new world order has been mentioned by presidents and politicians since Eisenhower. I don’t know if real Jews are involved, since ‘real’ is subject to interpretation and debate.

    Cabalists, Jesuits, Luciferians, satanists… sure, along with other ideologies. But the bloodlines… German. Most students of history think we defeated the nazis…

    http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2013/12/revealed-rulers-of-world-are-german.html

  • 495. El Tigre  |  December 30, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Muffy, that article’s distorted view of what it labels “anit choice” is so vomit-inducing it’s hard to get through.

  • 496. muffy  |  December 30, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    Tigre – but it’s as easy as 1-2-3.

    1) Always blame the GOP for making things “hard” (Rutherford, what is so hard about voting BTW?)
    2) Always make it about race
    3) Always ignore the obvious

    There’s a link in the article to a Guttmacher Institute(?) report that includes this highlight –

    “The reasons women give for having an abortion underscore their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life. Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.”

    Now how does the first line correlate to the rest of that paragraph?

  • 497. muffy  |  December 30, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Three-fourths of women have an abortion for reasons which “underscore their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life.”

    Are these supposed to be the smart people?

  • 498. muffy  |  December 30, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    The smart people meaning those responsible for authoring that nonsense.

  • 499. El Tigre  |  December 30, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    I see now it is not their fault. :roll:

    How about always having the procedure available to them in a pinch?

  • 500. Rutherford  |  December 30, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    “…true story…..my brothers mother-in-law used to date Kevin Bacon. I don’t know shit about Kevin Bacon. ”

    Holy crap. You’re a living example of six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

    On a more serious note since it is hypothesized that we are all six jumps from any other person on the globe that means we are all indirectly associated with a terrorist.

  • 501. Rutherford  |  December 30, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    “And we could get MSNBC’s level of intellect by coming here and reading your blogs. Take that as you will….”

    Ooooo there’s an insult in there somewhere. :-)

  • 502. Rutherford  |  December 30, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    “Wouldn’t pro-choice women have the most resonance if they spoke out “to their own on not using abortion as contraception?””

    Point taken but then sadly they probably wouldn’t be pro-choice would they? Part of being pro-choice is not asking why. This is why the older I get the less comfortable I am with saying I’m pro-choice.

  • 503. El Tigre  |  December 30, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    “Part of being pro-choice is not asking why.”

    No comprendo.

    One advocate a practice without “asking why?”

    There goes the aids prevention campaigns. . .

  • 504. El Tigre  |  December 30, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    One can’t advocate against a practice without “asking why?”

  • 505. muffy  |  December 31, 2013 at 12:17 am

    Yeah, what the hell is that about?

    I just shake my head at the lunacy sometimes.

  • 506. Rutherford  |  December 31, 2013 at 3:55 am

    Blog comments are an imperfect medium.

    I was trying to say one aspect of being pro-choice is saying “it’s none of your business why I am having an abortion. I control my own body.”

    That’s what I meant by being pro-choice is not asking why.

  • 507. James  |  December 31, 2013 at 10:13 am

    500

    After 911, a man spoke on NPR about the six degrees of Osama bin Ladin. He had just finished pilot’s training, and he read a book on explosives on an airplane shortly after 911. His sister had attended to wedding of one of Osama’s cousins, and photos were on FaceBook., He had recently traveled to Saudi Arabia on business.

    The man made his public declaration because he expected that any day the FBI would come calling. They did, and he was clear.

    Obama, Bush, and Cheney are related.Brad Pitt and Obama are distant cousins. Hillary and Angelina Jolie are also related. Hillary is also related to Madonna, Celine Dion and Alanis Morissette through her maternal French- Canadian heritage. Since Lady Gaga and Madonna are also distant cousins,

    I on the other hand, am distantly related to Sven Forkbeard.

  • 508. James  |  December 31, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Abortion is murder, but our society sanctions murder in some situations. Murder is even commendable when defending our country or stopping crime. it is a cost-benefit calculation to decide the value or cost of a human life.

    Abortion is no different.Sometimes like adults, the baby is worth more dead than alive. It is still murder if a fetus must die.. In such an event the dead baby should be mourned and recognized as a human being, not as a foreign tumor like piece of biological trash to be discarded like old pizza.

    Our grand daughter was nearly aborted after doctors suggested it might be better. The parents even talked to people.There was no good news, even for the two months after she was born.She had a pointy little head, her ears were too small and too low. Her nose was tiny, and she made snoring sounds when she breathed because of her tiny nasal passages. One side of her head was flat.

    Doctors did a brain scan and found nothing wrong, but they were sure our grand daughter would be developmentally two or three years behind.They suggested an MRI scan and genetic test. She might have seizures.

    Our daughter had never wanted a baby. Baby was a surprise our daughter compared to cancer. Their daughter’s uncertain future made the parents’ bonding difficult.

    My wife and I poured everything we had into our grand daughter, and her parents began to bond and talk to her. Now, she is six months old, and she can sit un- supported on the floor for an hour or two if she wants. She doesn’t crawl, but she can roll across the floor. She has a long attention span, and she doesn’t forget.She also has a rudementary sense of humor.

    Her head, while still small has an almost normal shape now.

    She studies her toys more than she plays with them. She moves her hands and head in tune with music videos and sometimes.she laughs and babbles with songs she likes.

    Our grand daughter knows how to charm people, and she engages crowds with a broad smile.She played Peekabu with people sitting behind us during Christmas Eve church services. She knows when a camera is aimed at her and strikes poses.

    She has begun to eat solid food, and she already feeds herself as though she has been watching us eat.

    My wife and I try not to be biased, but we have never seen a baby like our grand daughter, Other people have told us the same, and the doctors say they cannot explain her development or understand her future. Its not her intelligence or other abilities, It is her distinctive personality.

    Our grand daughter is the baby who never should have been. I wonder how many other babies would have brightened the world had they not been snuffed out.

  • 509. parker  |  December 31, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Good article by Tom Coburn on the year Washington fled reality.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702303345104579282881750665074-lMyQjAxMTAzMDMwMTEzNDEyWj

    It’s about as bad as it gets. I really, really don’t get why there are not citizens marching to Washington with pitchforks, as has been said here previously. There is utter and complete disregard for the law there.

    Most puzzling is, where is the People’s outrage?

    How have the politicians managed to get such control of the citizens’ thoughts that when such observations are made, the supporters just roll their eyes? Can you people not see that your country is being destroyed before your eyes? How can you be so ignorant of what your country stands for – stood for? Can’t you see that you are helping these bastards put your country in exactly the shape that led to your revolution in the first place? When are you going to vote everybody out? You still have that option, but likely not for long. It’s your last chance, boys.

  • 510. Tex Taylor  |  December 31, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    You know the part that galls me most about the abortion on demand proponents?

    To listen to them explain their position, it’s as if we Pro Life folks are interfering with their right to have their wisdom teeth extracted.

    Do you notice that few of these pro-choice folks ever phrase their complaint as, “It’s MY body. I have every right to terminate MY FETUS if I want!!!” There’s the occasional unfeeling, sociopathic Jack the Ripper/Lizzie Borden type that will admit to the truth of the act, but not most.

    And somehow, that “triviality” gets lost in the reasoning. It’s such a dishonest debate anymore, that I’ve become pretty calloused to the cause and pretty calloused towards the proponents.

    I frankly gave up on the American public a year ago, last November. I’m almost ashamed to admit this, but I really don’t give a crap what happens to blue America anymore. If NYC gets eliminated in a fire ball, my biggest concern is what it does to the stock market. If LA or San Francisco falls into the ocean, I’ll wonder if I can still get strawberries, or what the price of gas is going to be. Philadelphia, Baltimore, Miami, FL. Big yawn…

    I know. That’s awful to say about mankind and the way I am supposed to live my life. But there comes a time with so many lies, and so much thievery, such rank propaganda, and what I perceive as such corruption, I can’t muster the energy to care.

    I’m trying to get back to my old jingoistic ways, but I can’t seem to muster the will because I literally loathe these scumbags like Joe Biden, Harry Reid, and Barack and Michelle Obama.

    Sinful, I know.

  • 511. Tex Taylor  |  December 31, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Remember, MSNBC is the network for intellects. All dozen of them. Intellects like Rev. Meli$$a Harris-Perry – hater of white America, ‘cept those who grant her special status, cause of course her great-great grandparents were slaves; or something to that regard.

    Never mind she’s unqualified and stupid, plus ingrate.

    Rutherford, you’re better than this. At least I think you’re better than this. If you can’t condemn this crap, then you’re a crank.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/sarah-palin-msnbc-mitt-romney-attack-article-1.1562152

  • 512. El Tigre  |  December 31, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    “And somehow, that “triviality” gets lost in the reasoning. It’s such a dishonest debate anymore, that I’ve become pretty calloused to the cause and pretty calloused towards the proponents.”

    Tex, this is something that has changed my formerly ambivalent position on abortion.

    R, who posses the memory of a goldfish, said he couldn’t recall any position I had admitted to changing as a result of what was said here. Abortion is one big one. The commentary and debate here among the regulars (including R himself), clarified some things in my mind concerning the issue. So too did the privates in the army of liberal twatwaffles that offered lame rebuttal amounting to little more than “her body, her choice — deal with it.” You know, the types that actually thought labeling the expression of conservative values and policy a “war on women.”

    The debate is indeed dishonest. And it’s why I have come to realize like Jack Nicholson (I guess), that’s As Good as It Gets. In virtually all instances, it’s murder.

  • 513. James  |  December 31, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    ” Where is the outrage?”

    Maybe we should import some Ukrainians or Baltic Sea people. Iranians have proven they can express outrage, Even the French have been noisy.The Sami caused so much trouble Norway would have called up the military had they reached an agreement.

    We need more Tea Party people and others with that spirit.

  • 514. El Tigre  |  December 31, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Here’s another recent one from the compassionate geniuses at MSNBC. The hits come every day.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv7YxI36Dk8

  • 515. dead rabbit  |  December 31, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    The only rational pro choice argument is completely devoid of morality: ” I want to kill the baby because it is expedient to do so and the baby can’t stop me. In other words, I don’t give a fuck.”

    Every other general argument/excuse for this form of murder is either logically, scientifically or statistically nonsensical.

    MSNBC mocked that black child in Romney’s lap for reasons that go well beyond just being mean. On a base level they cringe not just because an adopted black baby by conservatives is a vague threat to the left’s cornered market on using race as blunt political instrument, but because every beautiful adopted black baby is the most glaring and shining example of the righteousness of the pro life movement on earth.

    Seriously, God bless that little kid.

  • 516. muffy  |  December 31, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    I saw a clip of those MSNBC monsters mocking the photo of the little black baby on Mitt’s lap. It made me sick.

    They are pathological.

    Yeah the pro-choice side of the abortion debate is pretty thin when you get right down to it.

  • 517. Rutherford  |  December 31, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    “Every other general argument/excuse for this form of murder is either logically, scientifically or statistically nonsensical. ”

    You just jumped the shark. You’re telling me you would sacrifice your wife’s life to save your unborn child without a single twinge of conflict?

    I think absurdly broad statements increase our sense of grandiosity. That’s the only way I can explain Rabbits comment.

  • 518. dead rabbit  |  December 31, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    “You just jumped the shark. You’re telling me you would sacrifice your wife’s life to save your unborn child without a single twinge of conflict?”

    Of course not. See the part where I said statistically and logical nonsensical.

    Abortion for medical reasons account for about 7 percent for all abortions.

    Lets apply your logic in a different way. I would kill you if you were trying to hurt my wife. That doesn’t mean I think killing you should be broadly permissible. I would never so much lay a hand on you.

  • 519. James  |  December 31, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    Late term abortions are even worse. True, some are necessary to save the mother, but others are for convenience or some other non-life threatening reason.

    As we know, Obama supported letting surviving aborted babies die without medical intervention. The man has a cold heart.I hope the voters bury Wendy Davis as she has sought to bury scores of unborn babies.

  • 520. dead rabbit  |  December 31, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    “Obama supported letting surviving aborted babies die without medical intervention.”

    man…can you imagine that. just watching the baby die.

  • 521. El Tigre  |  December 31, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    Zip it you shark jumpin’ mofo. It’s about not allowing old white guys to interfere with women’s rights.

    And racism and dominionism and blah, blah blah . . MSNBC. . . blah, blah, blah. . .

  • 522. poolman  |  December 31, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Take the red pill.

    We should abort the corporation established in 1871 that overran its boundaries and took over the republic and install a nonprofit.

    Or you can take the blue pill.

  • 523. Huck  |  December 31, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    I can’t decide whether or not I am surprised to come here and not even see an outrage tweet by Rutherford regarding his beloved MSNBC mocking the Romney bi-racial family photo.

  • 524. dead rabbit  |  December 31, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    You shouldn’t be surprised. Rutherford is a dog wagged by his MSNBC tail.

    I know its already been brought up on CNN of all places…..but can you imagine his outrage if Fox did this to a prominent liberal’s little adopted black boy? Can you imagine? Remember, we’re talking about a guy so sensitive to the the way conservatives craft their words he blamed Sara Palin for a shooting by schizophrenic! So, it’s not like he isn’t trolling anything and everything a conservative says for feigned outrage.

    Holy shit these liberals are hypocrites. And nasty mean too.

  • 525. dead rabbit  |  December 31, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    On an another note, isn’t nice being middle aged? I was sick of New Years Eve parties by the time I was in my early 20’s.

    Relaxing at home far from all that stupidity in the bars and over priced restaurants. That’s where it’s at.

    I do miss “that” stupid party chick who wants New Years Eve to be super duper special and watch her either drink until she pukes or come to the realization that good old fashion fun party nights are always spontaneous…..not planned astro turf like that inorganic Tea Party that lynched that dude back in 2010.

  • 526. poolman  |  January 1, 2014 at 12:01 am

    Happy New Year!

  • 527. Tex Taylor  |  January 1, 2014 at 1:49 am

    Best wishes, gang for 2014. You most, Mr. Rutherford.

    I’m blue. I’ve had my beauty for 2 weeks and she leaves tomorrow. Kids take off later this week. Alone again, naturally.

    Ugh…I threatened them with doing another floor if they don’t stay. LOL

  • 528. Rutherford  |  January 1, 2014 at 2:34 am

    Happy 2014 gang. As much as we argue I truly appreciate your patronage of my virtual drinking hole.

  • 529. Rutherford  |  January 1, 2014 at 2:52 am

    “I can’t decide whether or not I am surprised to come here and not even see an outrage tweet by Rutherford regarding his beloved MSNBC mocking the Romney bi-racial family photo.”

    You give me too much credit for keeping current. The first I heard of MHP tearing her drawers on this one was right here in this comments section.

    Sadly, lately I’m getting a lot of my news from you guys. Better than MSNBC heh? ;-)

  • 530. El Tigre  |  January 1, 2014 at 2:57 am

    Happy 2014 to you too Rutherford.

    Gad you appreciate my patronizing. :lol:

  • 531. Huck  |  January 1, 2014 at 3:01 am

    “Sadly, lately I’m getting a lot of my news from you guys.”

    So that makes you better informed than the President of the United States, who only gets his from the newspapers.

  • 532. Huck  |  January 1, 2014 at 3:02 am

    Rutherford like us patronizing his hole.

    Sorry…I just had to….

  • 533. Rutherford  |  January 1, 2014 at 8:37 am

    LOL Never expected myself to set up Tigre for a triple and Huck for a grand slam.

    At least we start the year with a chuckle.

  • 534. Rutherford  |  January 1, 2014 at 8:43 am

    Rabbit I answered more calls from drunks last night than you can imagine. AAA gives free tows to drunks on several holidays every year. This one was a doozie. And if you think being Mormon makes a difference, I had back to back coming in from Utah.

    I swear I’m shocked the booze smell didn’t seep through the phone line. And a couple of the plastered women were out with their kids. At least they had the good sense not to drive even if they didn’t have the good sense not to get wasted.

  • 535. Raji  |  January 1, 2014 at 10:08 am

    R@533 :lol:
    Happy New Year to all

  • 536. #Occupy Narcissism  |  January 1, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    Happy New Year!

    Rutherford, what’s your favorite progressive triumph for 2014?

    Mine is that Transgender Rights: students in grades K-12 who identify as transgender will be able to use the school bathrooms of their choosing as long as it is “consistent with their gender identity,” even if it is different than their gender at birth. Students will also be able to select whether they want to be on the boys team or the girls team based on their “gender identity.”

    I could have been a basketball star in high-school after all!

  • 537. #Occupy Narcissism  |  January 1, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    Would I buy an over priced ounce of street legal White Widow if I lived Colorado? Hmmmmmm.

  • 538. Alfie  |  January 1, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    You give me too much credit for keeping current. The first I heard of MHP tearing her drawers on this one was right here in this comments section.

    Ok you’ve heard it. Will you be sharing an opinion?

  • 539. #Occupy Narcissism  |  January 1, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    “Ok you’ve heard it. Will you be sharing an opinion?”

    He’s looking for the bumper sticker at cafepress.com

    Seriously…..the man is defeated. We’re like the Goths plundering Rome for the 15th time. There aint nothing left.

  • 540. Alfie  |  January 1, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    In a bit of history based irony the Emancipation Proclaimation was made today back in 1863. 2014 our government proclaims you must be enslaved to the insurance companies.

  • 541. Tex Taylor  |  January 1, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    Happy 2014 gang. As much as we argue I truly appreciate your patronage of my virtual drinking hole.

    Although our bartender is an addle brained Cult of Obama groupie, the bar wouldn’t exit without his almost always furnishing the liquor.

    Here’s a toast to Rutherford riches and fame in 2014!!! And if we get lucky, it’s all due to a Republican. :lol:

  • 542. Tex Taylor  |  January 1, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    I really need to start proof reading my screed…

    EXIST!!!!! Damn, damn, damn, Damn, damn, damn, Damn, damn, damn, Damn, damn, damn, Damn, damn, damn, Damn, damn, damn, Damn, damn, damn, Damn, damn, damn, Damn, damn, damn, Damn, damn, damn

  • 543. poolman  |  January 1, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    Might be a good time to visit my brother in denver…

  • 544. poolman  |  January 1, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    As Tex takes the lead for the most cursing so far into a fresh new year. I bet Mick shits on your neighbor’s lawn first chance he gets too. :grin:

  • 545. Tex Taylor  |  January 1, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    I bet Mick shits on your neighbor’s lawn first chance he gets too.

    Nah, nah. Mick’s one of those mannerly dogs, unlike his master.

    Mick has got his corner of the lawn and can do it on demand. Every time I clean up the backyard (at least twice a week), Mick immediately relieves himself as punishment and to send a message of who really rules the roost.

    I do have to admit I’ve got one neighbor who I wish I could train Mick to do his business on her lawn. :smile:

  • 546. muffy  |  January 1, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    Happy New Year you guys and gals and lurkers. Thanks for the laughs and keep em coming. Rutherford I wish for you a great year ahead. That goes for the rest of you even the sickos and psychos.

    Welp. There goes my New Year’s resolution I guess. That sure didn’t last.

    Rutherford please restore our faith that liberals are people too and hold that MHP’s feet to the fire on this one. That was particularly nasty.

  • 547. muffy  |  January 1, 2014 at 3:59 pm

    OK I just reset my resolution. No more fighting with idiots and fools starting…now.

  • 548. El Tigre  |  January 1, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    Been nice knowing you Muffy. :lol:

  • 549. Huck  |  January 1, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    It wasn’t only MHP. Dean Abedallah and others also piled on. And their so-called apologies are full of passive verbs and insincerity. They apologize if “anyone was offended”, as if to say “I did nothing wrong, but I’m sorry if you think I did.” They take no actual responsibility for their words.

    The people behind the scenes at MSNBC are just as much to blame for putting the picture up as part of a “caption this” comedy segment.

    Where is Jesse Jackson on this? Where is Al Sharpton? The NAACP? Again, we see the double standards being set. It’s cool to mock a bi-racial family full of love, as long as its some rich, white politician from the right that is being mocked.

    I’m not even really outraged by it. To be outraged I would have to be surprised. And nothing the turds at MSNBC do anymore shocks me. Nor do the actions and inactions of those who follow it, or of the left in general. They are hateful, spiteful people who will go to any and all lengths to spew their hate-filled venom at anyone that opposes them.

  • 550. El Tigre  |  January 1, 2014 at 4:47 pm

    R doesn’t need to hold MHP’s feet to the fire. He needs to turn that shit OFF!!!! It goes on all day and all night. Race baiting, divisive, propaganda shit stew.

    Look at the link I put up. The Duck Dynasty guy labeled a symbol of the “white supremacist culture.” WTF???

    The thing I hate the most is what MSNBC reveals about its audience’s mindset.

  • 551. muffy  |  January 1, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    It will bring my comment count way down, Tigre, that’s for sure.

  • 552. El Tigre  |  January 1, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    Huck beat me to it.

    Remember when they were blaming Palin for the Giffords shooting. Claiming it was the rhetoric of the intolerance fro, the right. The ground swell of right wing racists and militants were going to foment violence that needed to be stomped down. Oh, the blood was going to flow like rivers. The gun-toting Tea Party needed to be contained with all of its. . . you. . . whiteness.

    Good times. Good times.

  • 553. muffy  |  January 1, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    Huck @ #549 – very true and well said.

  • 554. El Tigre  |  January 1, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    Huck, that’s insane. These are people that lead with their hearts. They are compassionate and above all “fair.”

  • 555. muffy  |  January 1, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    Tigre @ # 550 – R does need to get off the msnbc drip. There’s nothing of value presented – no news, no reporting, no new opinions. Just lower and shallower and uglier today than yesterday.

    The amount of time they spend maligning conservatives, Republicans, the tea party, Fox, white people, and anyone who doesn’t agree with them is truly astonishing.

  • 556. Alfie  |  January 1, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    One of the biggest proofs of the sheer hypocrisy is the msnbc et al coverage of deBlasio out of NYC. He’s one of them so his use of his kids is kosher and by no means wrong.

  • 557. El Tigre  |  January 1, 2014 at 5:20 pm

    You think MHP recognizes the irony of her characterizing Romney’s grandchild as a token?

  • 558. Rutherford  |  January 1, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    “Ok you’ve heard it. Will you be sharing an opinion?”

    Adoption is the thing to do and it is the most obvious antidote to abortion. Being an adoptive parent doesn’t make you instantly noble but is not to be mocked either.

    McCain got similar treatment for an adopted child of color. Liberals mock this because it flies in the face of conservative white racism and ruins a favorite liberal meme.

    MHP should be ashamed of herself and she apologized as she should have.

    I’ve already stated on these pages that I think Mitt is probably a very decent man, dog on the roof be damned.

  • 559. Rutherford  |  January 1, 2014 at 7:38 pm

    “I really need to start proof reading my screed…”

    Spellcheck turned adoption into adoration in my last comment. Fortunately I caught it before hitting send.

  • 560. Rutherford  |  January 1, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    “OK I just reset my resolution. No more fighting with idiots and fools starting…now.”

    Biggest news of 2013: Muffy got her sense of humor back. What a relief!

  • 561. Rutherford  |  January 1, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    “And their so-called apologies are full of passive verbs and insincerity”

    Not entirely. MHP apologized “without qualification”. I can find the full quote if you like.

    While I find her too race-focused, she is one of the classier acts at the network. Yes I know I just set myself up for a BAZINGA. Don’t bother.

  • 562. Rutherford  |  January 1, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    Regarding Deblasio, most candidates include their families in their campaigns. Nothing new. And yes Dante’s big ass fro is fucking awesome.

  • 563. Rutherford  |  January 1, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    “You think MHP recognizes the irony of her characterizing Romney’s grandchild as a token?”

    At first blush I laughed at and agreed with this comment. But then I tried to think of a SINGLE SOLITARY black host on Fox and could not. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

  • 564. Alfie  |  January 1, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    @ 562 you’re wrong and here’s how.
    You yourself have vilified Palin.
    You have defended the Obamas protecting of their daughters and the medias FDR’ian compliance.
    Now you’re pro fro but that wasn’t the point of my bringing up de Blasio.
    You are showing your partisanship or at least total inconsistency.

  • 565. muffy  |  January 1, 2014 at 8:29 pm

    Harris Faulkner – she’s the weekend Shep. Arthelle Neville used to anchor something but now she and Juan do a lot of guest hosting.

    Do they qualify?

  • 566. Rutherford  |  January 1, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    LOL guest hosting and weekend gigs. Does that qualify? Barely.

  • 567. El Tigre  |  January 1, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    I don’t watch Fox and don’t know why what Fox does makes a difference. In fact, I would guess any person of color on Fox would instantly be labeled a token or, in all probability, something far, far worse by your peeps. That’s what you do.

    But I do watch MSNBC. You call this classy? Puhleeeeeze . .

  • 568. Rutherford  |  January 1, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    “But I do watch MSNBC. ”

    Are you a masochist?

  • 569. muffy  |  January 1, 2014 at 8:55 pm

    “LOL guest hosting and weekend gigs.”

    When is MHP on please?

  • 570. El Tigre  |  January 1, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    :lol:

    Kind of, I guess. It certainly reinforce my view of how shallow the typical lib is. Particularly ones that are gratified by what they see on MSNBC.

    The other thing that interests me is knowing what left’s messaging will be for all of its failures. Hell, as you know, your Morning Joe receives texts during its broadcasts directly from the WH. Pitiful for an outfit that calls itself a news organization. It’s straight up propaganda, and you know it no matter the parsing and excuse that it is entertainment.

    In any event, I learn something by listening to some of your idiots. It definitely makes me feel smart by comparison. :wink:

  • 571. El Tigre  |  January 1, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    The Rose Bowl is damn good game this year.

  • 572. El Tigre  |  January 1, 2014 at 9:12 pm

    R, serious question. Do you think MHP’s, Sharpton’s, or for that matter any of MSNBC’s hosts racial commentary insightful or helpful when it comes to race relations? If so, I’d love for you to explain. I find it disturbingly misleading, antagonistic, and destructive by design.

  • 573. muffy  |  January 1, 2014 at 9:17 pm

    Rutherford don’t you get tired of dragging those goalposts around with you everywhere you go? MHP is a weekend host of an opinion show and Faulkner is weekend anchor of prime time news.

    Juan has a regular spot in the rotation on a very popular and highly rated weekday show, The Five.

    Enumerate for us all the black non-weekend non-guest hosts on msnbc. I count 1. Are we really arguing because 1 is a bigger number than 0? Who am I missing? Did the president take over Marty’s old timeslot?

  • 574. Rutherford  |  January 2, 2014 at 2:38 am

    Muffy

    Tamron Hall daily time slot
    Al Sharpton daily time slot
    Until recently Martin Bashir daily time slot

    Frequent guest appearances by Michael Steele, black and conservative.

    BAZINGA.

  • 575. El Tigre  |  January 2, 2014 at 11:09 am

    Thanks for skipping my question.

    Still wondering what you’re attempting to prove with Muffy.

  • 576. an800lbgorilla  |  January 2, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    So I just saw this…

    With that said, I don’t take back a single word of what I wrote back in 2008. Back then Obama was a blank canvas upon which the right and left painted their worst nightmares and highest hopes respectively. But one thing I wrote in particular will never be sullied by Obama’s lackluster performance:

    I can now look at my beautiful black daughter and tell her that she can be anything she wants to be, without exception, without caveat.

    It cannot be underestimated just how many blacks like me never thought a dark-skinned man would be elected President in our lifetime. As much as I loved my country, I felt there were barriers that would not be breached for years, if not decades, to come. For anyone not to understand the emotion attached to seeing this barrier broken is to not understand the human condition. As moved as I was back then, I still felt that if Barack Obama had been Barry Johnson, great-grandson of slaves, he would not have been nominated much less elected. The very exotic nature of Obama (which has ironically fueled the birther movement) made him acceptable to those who might otherwise have dismissed him. Nevertheless the cosmetics of this half-white, half-first-generation-American of immediate African descent, evoked a visceral reaction in many, including me, and I don’t apologize for it.

    When I saw this, I immediately thought of this poll:

    A new poll has found that the number of Americans who think President Barack Obama is “one of the worst presidents” in history has increased by 5 percent over the past year.
    The Fox News survey of 1,027 registered voters reveals that more than one in four respondents, a record high of 28 percent, believe he’ll go down as one of the worst. In a similar survey taken last December, 23 percent of respondents felt that way.
    In this year’s survey, only 16 percent described him as a “great president,” compared to the 2012 survey when 29 percent predicted that he would turn out to be a “great president.”
    Taking the rating a step further, six percent of respondents described him as the “greatest” president, compared to 12 percent who saw him that way a year ago.

    Now, to me, this is duh, but for someone who’s emotionally invested so much, it should really suck. I argued a long, long time ago that the last person black America should want as the first black president was Obama, because he would fail so bad that it would really harm the perception that blacks made competent leaders. Of course, I think the idea that his blackness has anything to do with his incompetence, is insane—they’re not connected in any way—but the left has put some much into his blackness that the two are now inseparable. It has been the yin to the left’s yang of “white anything is wrong”. The flagrant racism of that position, and the left’s willing acceptance of it, is really not that surprising anymore.

    If you truly hope for that thought, that your little daughter can grow up to be anything—anything—then you had better hope that society follows the Conservative position of judging a person on the content of their character, and not the liberal meme of skin tone. And while you’re sitting there shaking your head, keep in mind that the left has been using the skin color argument since Obama came into office. The fact that every defense by the left of Obama has been based on race demonstrates the accuracy of this statement. The race card has been used consistently and constantly as a means to stop debate, because the left’s defense is vacant on a policy perspective.

    For example-

    The Right’s Accusation: “Obama is recklessly spending billions of dollars.”

    The Left’s Defense: “The right is letting the racist core shine through as they flagrantly use the tired stereotype of Obama as a reckless black man, blah, blah, blah…..”

    Note that there is little to no defense of the actual accusation, just deflection and counter-accusation with something so inflammatory that the accuser cannot just ignore it, and then must try to prove a negative. And I’ll give you this, it’s worked well and got Obama reelected when he did not deserve such, but the meme is tired now and folks are starting to see through it. You’ve been fear mongering with doom and gloom so much that its lost its value, especially in light of the fact that your policies have hurt so much. No one trusts this Administration anymore. Any numbers, claims or promises fall on deaf ears because they’ve been so wrong for so long.

    But there it is, your “hope” for the future. Obama has failed so bad that you had better “hope” that America forgets that he was America’s first black president.

  • 577. an800lbgorilla  |  January 2, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    Happy New Year everyone…

  • 578. Huck  |  January 2, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    Rutherford playing gotcha cards that have the faces of a race-baiter and a guy who wants to shit in a woman’s mouth.

    Classic….

  • 579. Rutherford  |  January 2, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    “Thanks for skipping my question”

    Didn’t skip it. Just didn’t have time for a well thought out answer. You want instant response? Give me true/false or multiple choice.

  • 580. Rutherford  |  January 2, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    “Rutherford playing gotcha cards that have the faces of a race-baiter and a guy who wants to shit in a woman’s mouth.”

    Muffy just wanted names. We weren’t discussing character. At least you didn’t find any dirt on Tamron Hall … yet. :-)

  • 581. muffy  |  January 2, 2014 at 3:44 pm

    I played your stupid game.

    “But then I tried to think of a SINGLE SOLITARY black host on Fox and could not. Please correct me if I’m wrong.”

    You’ve been corrected.

  • 582. an800lbgorilla  |  January 6, 2014 at 11:11 am

    I find it hilarious that R completely ignored everything I said…

    Way to “man up”….

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