Abortion, Life and the Law (and a Snowden Postscript)

Abortion, Life and the Law

A few months ago the folks at Healthcare-administration-degree.net reached out to me to share an infographic on our attitudes about abortion. Too busy to pay proper attention I allowed the note to sink under a pile of other e-mail. As luck would have it, they gave me a poke this week at a very good time. The House just voted in support of a bill making abortion illegal after 20 weeks, in direct contradiction to current law and Supreme Court rulings. We won’t go into what a waste of time this vote was. The bill will never get through the Senate and if it did it would be vetoed by Obama. It was a symbolic gesture at a time when we need Congress to focus on doing what it can to improve a limping economy.

What jumps out from the infographic is the difference between what people think about life vs what they think about the law. Most folks consider themselves pro-life. Most folks think abortion should be legal in at least some cases. I think these findings illustrate something the most strident  “pro-life” people tend to distort about those who differ with them. Precious few people are “pro-abortion”. The most opinionated pro-life folks call pro-choice folks “baby killers”. The truth I think, is that 99% of folks think the ideal world is a world where every couple greets the news of an impending birth with great anticipation and joy. We don’t live in an ideal world so what do we do about those couples who, for whatever reason, do not welcome a pregnancy? The graphic below shows that most of us want pregnancies to go to term but we are at best ambivalent about the legal remedy when they don’t.

Clearly there is a difference in asking “do you support life” as opposed to “do you want to put women who get abortions in jail”.  Examine the graphic below and tell me what you glean from it.

What We Think About Abortion
Image source: www.healthcare-administration-degree.net

I should note that from my general perusal of the Healthcare Administration Degree web site, they do not appear to have a political axe to grind. The graphic, as far as I can see, simply tries to illustrate a truth about semantics and our attitudes toward abortion.

Random Thoughts about Edward Snowden

Hero or Traitor

I tend to agree with those who say Snowden is neither hero nor traitor. He clearly did us a service by putting a spotlight on a government technically capable of invading our privacy on a grand scale. For that we owe him some thanks. On the other hand, he is acting like a fugitive fleeing first to Hong Kong and now to Moscow. It’s a bit hard to admire the man when he is unwilling to “face the music”.

Oh, How Thick the Irony

A week or so ago I heard an NBC correspondent guessing at a psychological profile of Snowden from … wait for it … his old Twitter and Facebook feeds. The correspondent seemed oblivious to the fact she was using his Internet trail to report on his whistle blowing a government who uses OUR Internet trail to create profiles of us. In fact, the very same media stoking the outrage at NSA overreach has been using Twitter feeds to analyze folks from Trayvon Martin to Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. Methinks the media doth protest too much.

Espionage, Really?

In “sealed” papers, we have charged Snowden with espionage. I asked my readers in the comment thread of my last article what kind of sense this could make. Who was Snowden spying for? One of my readers hit it on the head, quite sadly, when he replied “He was spying for the American people.” We are at a point where we need our own spies to keep an eye on the Obama administration which has turned out to be anything but transparent.

Just cos You’re Paranoid Doesn’t Mean the Bastards Aren’t Out to Get You

Obama’s abysmal record in prosecuting and intimidating whistle blowers made what should have been a sad story of a fatal car accident into fodder for conspiracy theorists. Rolling Stone and BuzzFeed writer Michael Hastings died last week in a fiery automobile crash. Hastings was instrumental in getting General Stanley McChrystal fired from his post as Commander of our forces in Afghanistan. As recently as a few weeks ago he appeared on MSNBC calling Obama a liar regarding our drone program. I’m not a tin foil hat wearing kinda guy but when I heard about Hastings’ death I immediately wondered aloud if he had been killed.

Michael Hastings may have died driving recklessly in the middle of the Los Angeles night but I’d bet dollars to donuts that Glenn Greenwald and Jeremy Scahill are looking over their shoulders right now.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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492 thoughts on “Abortion, Life and the Law (and a Snowden Postscript)

  1. “…a time when we need Congress to focus on doing what it can to improve a limping economy.”

    While I agree this House vote was a symbolic waste of time, the House has also passed numerous economic-related bills that the Senate refuses to even debate.

    Re: Snowden…I don’t think he’s a spy, but I do think he’s a traitor. Not for what he told the American people, but for what he told China.

  2. Huck, from the prior thread, when it becomes a mark of honor to say “yes honestly I AM a racist” then we have truly lost our way. I get your point but it’s tenuous at best.

    Your point on Snowden is more on the money. For some reason, the MSM is downplaying what he has already told other countries and what he may yet tell them.

  3. Words escape me…

    The Internal Revenue Service sent 23,994 tax refunds worth a combined $46,378,040 to “unauthorized” alien workers who all used the same address in Atlanta, Ga., in 2011, according to the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA).

    That was not the only Atlanta address theoretically occupied by thousands of “unauthorized” alien workers receiving millions in federal tax refunds in 2011. In fact, according to a TIGTA audit report published last year, four of the top ten addresses to which the IRS sent thousands of tax refunds to “unauthorized” aliens were in Atlanta.

    The IRS sent 11,284 refunds worth a combined $2,164,976 to unauthorized alien workers at a second Atlanta address; 3,608 worth $2,691,448 to a third; and 2,386 worth $1,232,943 to a fourth.

  4. Let me get this straight, R – you think that what Snowden did was right, but it is wrong for him to avoid unjust prosecution?

  5. WE are helping with the baby, so I haven’t had much time to read all of the comments. Yesterday, alfie couldn’t understand why I approved of

    Snowden We now have a mendacious, incompetant or both of the above government. Obama has expanded the spy network Bush fostered. Some of the evesdropping did not take place with a court order. One report in the Washington Post,I think is that Muslem madrasses are exempt.

    Snowden did not give away military secrets so far as we know and what he has spilled is akin to the UT flight of Francis Gary Powers.
    The Soviets knew what was happening, but they didn’t protst untel they had proof.

    We should know the general details of something so intrusive.

    What should he do return to the US where some want to charge him with the apital offesnse of treason/.
    I’d do what he is doing

    Another sign of justice department inompetancey is their delay in lifting his pass port

  6. “R”, your mind must have been a whirling dervish…I was trying to digest the first one, when you floated off to another topic. My most difficult decision was trying to determine what I should scorn first. :smile:

    Thank you for the concern, guys and gal. Just vacation – I should have said something before leaving.

    Believe it or not, there are still places in America where it is virtually impossible to get WiFi and cell phone access. And I was there. And it was two parts heaven, one part frustration. And I’ve come to the conclusion that you can actually do without TV too.

    Lots of fun. How many people will get to say this summer that they came face to face with a black bear, a wolf, and an eagle, all in their backyard this summer?

    My triathlon daughters, or whatever they call themselves these days, lugged their old man and their sweet mom up a trail where we climbed from 9,000 to 10,400 in about 1½ miles. Good grief – talk about sucking wind.

    And of course, I had to be the only one of about 50 people that came within a gnat’s ass of falling out of the raft on a 4/5 whitewater run. Didn’t help that my daughter was in the middle of my chest when I was trying like hell to climb back in, only my right foot anchored, keeping me from going in.

    I’m getting old. :sad:

  7. R, with respect to the Paula Deen rubbish, get a damn life. She hasn’t done or said anything that affected you or anyone else. Fuck man. She testified truthfully about something that we should rightly call her a liar for if she didn’t admit to. I know you think you “own it ” somehow and like all liberals simply feign offense. I’ve been called all kinds of names by black folks down here. People say shit because they’re people and not all of it requires the Deputy Dawgs of the thought police to pretend — and I do mean pretend — that Deen committed some capital offense.

    I’d love for you to testify under oath about some of the terms and things you’ve said here and at home. I bet you’d just lie if you thought it couldn’t be proven. In fact, you hardly hold back on the shallowest of stereotypes on this very board when it comes to what your wrongly perceive to be a Southern mentality. I know. I came here (Atlanta) with many of the same arrogant, ignorant, bullshit notions because I didn’t know better. I was just a city kid that thought the world should look and sound like what I came from or it was inferior.

    I’ve since learned better and met some mighty fine folks with pretty heavy southern accents from pretty rural places that you consider unenlightened when in fact they have more life experience and admirable values than a smug, suburban, insulated, liberal twatwaffle. Many of the folks you mock and claim to fear — who have unquestionably used the “n” word just like your enlightened neighbors in suburban Connecticut and Illinois — would go out of their way to protect their black brothers and show the type of decency that their own communities and those that have run from them for “safety” ever would.

    Just quit pretending like something was “uncovered” you validation monster. People of all races use the “N” word, the worst offender that I know being a Caribbean friend of mine that doesn’t like being associated with urban African American black by those that think they’re obligated to apply the same sensibilities you demand based on his skin color rather than culture or background.

    So what’s Sara Palin up to?

  8. “Many of the folks you mock and claim to fear — who have unquestionably used the “n” word just like your enlightened neighbors in suburban Connecticut and Illinois — would go out of their way to protect their black brothers and show the type of decency that their own communities and those that have run from them for “safety” ever would.”

    I’ve found this to be the case also.

    The Paula Deen episode is a preposterous attempt to make using racial slurs a substantive issue.

    Good to see race relations improving under this post-racial president.

    “In fact, you hardly hold back on the shallowest of stereotypes on this very board when it comes to what your wrongly perceive to be a Southern mentality.”

  9. “Rutherford’s boring ass abortion blog.”
    :lol:

    I had to read it twice to figure out IF he was actually saying something. I’m still not sure.

    “The graphic below shows that most of us want pregnancies to go to term but we are at best ambivalent about the legal remedy when they don’t.”

    Yank the doc’s license and when he crosses over into Gosnell territory throw his sorry ass in prison for life. How’s that for a pro-life stance? Too ambivalent a legal remedy? (Assuming him being cornholed in his cel is a given.)

  10. :lol: I wrote that last part before watching the video @ #9.

    Nothing ambivolent about that legal remedy.

  11. Welcome back, Tex. I’ve noticed that some vacation accommodations have started to feature “unplugged’ as a draw.

  12. Welcome back, Tex. I’ve noticed that some vacation accommodations have started to feature “unplugged’ as a draw.

    Thank you, Muffy. Glad to see my “girlfriend” is back as well. The board is always more entertaining, graceful and intelligent with your presence. If more “girls” were like you and my wife, you would be my preferable gender to shoot the bull. Unfortunately, it seems more and more, “girls” are like Helen these days. :twisted:

    I’ve noticed that “unplugged” feature too.

    However, in this case God was unplugging all of us. These cellphones are real swift on these flat interstates with radio and satellite towers. Man attempting to overcome 14,400ft.+ rocks of granite? I laugh at how soft we really are. Early yesterday morning, I drove in 37 degree temperatures. It was 84 here at 10:00 AM and everybody is feeling fortunate it’s not like last year.

    I will say that when I take some of these back to nature trips, I marvel at what these guys and gals who actually discovered this country accomplished without DEET, UV shields, cell phones, motorized vehicles, and carbon fiber canoes.

  13. From the previous comment string….

    “Paula revealed herself to be the stereotypical cracker that her thick southern accent implies.”

    Rutherford, why is it OK for you to refer to a person as a “cracker” while you speak out against them using a particular term to define others?

    And why does her thick southern accent imply anything? That is no different than someone stating that skin color implies something.

    I get that you were maybe a little POed and speaking from emotion on a subject about which you are emotional. Maybe when Deen said what she admitted to saying she had been doing the same thing.

    Like I said before, I couldn’t care less about Paula Deen or this whole incident. But your comment highlights a greater issue…very few of us are above fault when it comes to how we refer to or perceive others. I certainly am not…and neither are you.

  14. “And why does her thick southern accent imply anything?”

    Especially when his home state is ground zero for white supremacists.

  15. Deen is currently being sued by a former employee for racial discrimination.

    Oh, I see. I’ve been gone and completely out of the news. So Paula Deen admits she used the word NIGGER in the past, and that’s unforgivable, accompanied by lawsuit from a shiftless POS. I’d counter sue represented by the most ruthless lawyer I could find and put Loquesha on the street.

    Well, I’ll say the same thing about Paula Deen that I said about Tiger Woods when it was discovered that he’d been bagging the waffle servers.

    I WOULD HAVE HAD MORE RESPECT FOR TIGER IF HE HAD COME OUT WITH A BLOND ON EACH ARM AND TOLD THE MEDIA TO GO “FUCK THEMSELVES” INSTEAD OF GROVELING WHERE NO APOLOGY WAS NEEDED OR REQUIRED. I’m not his wife, his kid or his mother.

    It’s the phony baloney necessity of of genuflecting that nauseates me most and anybody stupid enough to think Tiger Woods was a ‘family man’, is too stupid to matter. What a charade. Tiger ripped off mother fuckers at the tee box when he hit them in the dink on TV. He’s about as righteous as Hollywood. :roll:

    I’ll tell you true, Rutherford. Until about 20 years ago, I don’t think I had a racial bias in my body. The O.J. trial changed that for me. But this kind of shit has forced me to rethink why I refrain and give darkie special treatment for their poor, poor fragile ego. In my opinion, “darkie” needs to start being called on all the societal problems they cause, scorned if necessary, blown from the face of the earth if they want to burn down neighborhoods.

    I’m so sick of this politically correct shit, I could vomit. That goes for any other racially sensitive ninnies, squirrel sized balls, Christians who have a persecution complex in the U.S. and then whine about it (if you’re that persecuted coward, why don’t you fight back?), and feminists male and female.

    I want to go back on vacation and hide myself. I can do better than this. :mad:

  16. “I get that you were maybe a little POed and speaking from emotion on a subject about which you are emotional.” Hucking

    Wrong. Rutherford is not emotional about racial slurs. He’s just playing the game. He isn’t black in any traditional American sense. Dude doesn’t have black skin, doesn’t have a cultural linkage to the black American experience and listens to fucking Green Day. Case closed.

    Repeat. He aint black.

    He doesn’t know how to play dominoes. Doesn’t know how to play Spades. Never ate chitlins. He’s lost in a room of black people. Their nuanced communication flies right over the top of his head. Doesn’t go to a black church. Doesn’t know white people stink when they get colds.

    Sure my list is superficial, but aren’t all cultural attributes?

    You see, when someone says “nigger” it creates opportunities that are easy for him to quip about.

    This place used to be a Obama commercial and now is a half assed quip factory. Twice a month we get irrelevant garbage. Just like playboy, I read this blog for the comments. Ok….so that didn’t make sense.

    The world is fascinating right now. And horribly fucked up. Look what happened in China over night. Syria. The scandals rocking our constitution and threatening democracy. Hell, democracy seems to be deteriorating the world over. The latest Economist rag is calling the phenomenon “majority-ism”.

    But he wants to play slow pitch softball. Some fat cook admitted she said nigger. Oooooooh! Abortion polls respond differently depending on how their worded. Ooooooh!

    I’ve come to realize he’s a “sesnico” with awesome grammar. Nothing much more.

  17. She hasn’t done or said anything that affected you or anyone else. Fuck man. She testified truthfully about something that we should rightly call her a liar for if she didn’t admit to. I know you think you “own it ” somehow and like all liberals simply feign offense. I’ve been called all kinds of names by black folks down here. People say shit because they’re people and not all of it requires the Deputy Dawgs of the thought police to pretend — and I do mean pretend — that Deen committed some capital offense.

    AMEN! I think this is why I like Tigre so much, even if he is a lawyer. :razz: We think alike and don’t suffer bullshit easily. That goes for some of the others here too.

    Damn, if someone is to receive punishment for politically incorrect commentary, I’d be at the top of my class.

  18. “I WOULD HAVE HAD MORE RESPECT FOR TIGER IF HE HAD COME OUT WITH A BLOND ON EACH ARM AND TOLD THE MEDIA TO GO “FUCK THEMSELVES” INSTEAD OF GROVELING WHERE NO APOLOGY WAS NEEDED OR REQUIRED” -Tex

    I 100% agree. Remember when Hulk Hogan turned bad in the 90’s? Shit was funny. I think Tiger should have just gone that route.

  19. Strange tweets. I think too biased to get real grasp. When he complained that Zimmerman’s parents were banned from the courtroom I started to doubt him. That’s a rule of witness sequestration. If either side invokes the rule, anyone that might offer testimony is barred from the courtroom no matter how close to any of the parties. That’s just the way it goes. Happens with a lot of my clients’ family members.

  20. “Rutherford’s boring ass abortion blog. blah”

    Rabbit consider it a placeholder for you to hang with your online buddies. You don’t come here for the articles anyway.

    And if you can blog more interesting stuff, be my guest. Until then STFU.

  21. Muffy I kinda thought you wanted the docs license yanked waaay before he got into Gosnell territory. Am I wrong? Or are you a bit ambivalent about where we draw the line?

  22. Wait. I think I know where you were Tex. That’s hard core.

    The most outstanding hike I ever went on was Cape Flattery Trail out on the Olympic Penninsula. One image search and you’ll understand immediately. It was like being on another planet. On the way back we pulled over and turned out the car lights. The sky began to deepen and soon we were standing under a million stars. There was little if any light pollution at all up there.

    Magnificent.

  23. Muffy as time goes on I am less and less sure of your politics. When you first came here I thought you were a moderate. Now I’m guessing you’re a conservative but who knows.

    It’s very simple, where do you draw the line on when abortion is “cool” and when it’s not? If I’ve missed your explanation in the archives, please provide a gentle reminder.

  24. Let me get this straight, R – you think that what Snowden did was right, but it is wrong for him to avoid unjust prosecution?

    No.

    There is some good that has come out of what Snowden did. I wouldn’t say what he did was “right”. As I said earlier, he’s no hero. The way you demonstrate that a prosecution in this country is unjust is to submit to it and prove your innocence. It’s not playing “catch me if you can” while you do the tyrannical countries world tour.

  25. Regarding 7, Tex you and I may be the same age but you are a far braver man than I. It’s beyond disability. Even if I were a strapping Rabbit I don’t have the personality for such outdoor adventures.

    I was always more of a Catskills guy than a Club Med guy (I’ve been to both).

  26. R – That’s funny I think I’ve been consistent if not insistent.

    Pro-life (6 weeks is my line, which I’ll gently remind you that I’ve said at least 3 times here); anti-death penalty (apart even from the “what if we get it wrong” argument); pro gay marriage; anti-busted liars. Fiscally conservative, generally.

  27. Regarding 8, not worth a long debate. The N word ain’t cool. Blacks who use it are fools. Others who use it are offensive. Companies have codes of conduct. I’m guessing Food Network’s code was violated by Deen.

    Would I lose sleep over this? No. If Deen were not canned would I start a petition to can her? No. Is it good to have one less cracker on TV? Yes.

    P.S. Some network a few months ago tried to launch some show along the lines of “all my baby’s mommas” about a black dude and all his kids from different mothers. I honestly don’t remember if I signed the petition to have it cancelled before it debuted, but I was damn glad when it was cancelled. The airwaves don’t need any more ignorant black or white people glorified.

  28. Tex I had the same experience as you. We went to our alternate property for a weekend of time away and to work my way to big garden. While I was packing I was trying to figure out what I was going to do at night and packed my tech and books thinking I couldn’t live without it. I get there, and I read less than 20 pages, never felt even the slightest urge to go online and what was to be a 2 day event turned into 5. Now I hate being back and we are heading out tomorrow for another 5+ days away from reality, a cell phone my only tech.

    To the topic, I don’t really buy what this graphic is attempting to say. ie that it is the norm that most folks believe in some form of abortion. I think this is more of a desensitize effort on the part of whoever published this work.

    As for Snowden, I am grateful for his effort, and I can understand why he would run, but ultimately it no longer matters. As we have seen with the stories with Benghazi, the AP, phone taps, Obama’s enemies list that no longer seems like a tinfoil hat story in light of what the IRS has done. The Obama public no longer even blinks. In their mind this is all just the price we have to pay for the Obami-nation, There Liberal utopia where they never have to think for themselves again and can wake up every morning and do as their government tells them, because government knows best.

    We have proof that there is nothing this administration could do that would turn his followers against him. Obama, in true Chicago style politics seems to have covered all the bases. His hold and use of the IRS and the DOJ makes even people like Snowden nothing more than a speed bump in the road that is easily manipulated so as to appear to the sheep as though the perpetrator is far more important that anything he might have disclosed, or even irrelevant because of HOW it was disclosed.

    It was a brilliant ploy. Break things, and continue to break things and make people dependent on govt assistance. That way when they look to their kids who need to eat now, they will vote for their current needs in spite of the long term damage. We have gone over the cliff and we are in free fall. Enjoy the ride for there is nothing to fear until we hit that sudden stop at the bottom.

  29. “Pro-life (6 weeks is my line, which I’ll gently remind you that I’ve said at least 3 times here); anti-death penalty (apart even from the “what if we get it wrong” argument); pro gay marriage; anti-busted liars. Fiscally conservative, generally.”

    Odd then that we’re having such trouble getting along. Not only do I find your self-description pretty palatable I absolutely love the consistency of your abortion and death penalty stance.

    I guess you consider me a “busted liar” and that’s what has soured our online acquaintanceship.

  30. “Snowden nothing more than a speed bump in the road that is easily manipulated so as to appear to the sheep as though the perpetrator is far more important that anything he might have disclosed”.

    Serious question Noah. You blame Obama solely for this? Isn’t the media responsible for focusing on the “celebrity” of Snowden vs what he did?

  31. No. Is it good to have one less cracker on TV? Yes.

    Now see.

    That’s what I like from a genuine black man. Honesty. Any white guy that can’t handle being called a “Cracker” ain’t worth spit. And Paula Deen jazzes way beyond watermelon, fried chicken and collard greens, so ain’t no spade going to be interested in her fat ass, white sheet anyway. :razz: ‘Cept Shelly.

    I used to work with this black guy named Woody in a steel fabrication shop. Woody was this hulking man, actually he was probably pretty young though he seemed real mature to a 19 year old, and one of the few black men I ever met who didn’t appear to have a hang up about color. If memory serves, I don’t remember another black guy in that entire shop over five summers. And everybody liked Woody. Woody tack welded the cylinders that Lonnie rolled to prep for automatic welding. Lonnie looked like some Indian (Native American) biker – about 5′ 5″ 300 lbs. Both of them rode these big bore Kawasaki bikes and every Friday (pay day) afternoon, they’d ride off to these girlie bars together. By the following Thursday, they were down to eating a candy bar for lunch and the cycle would repeat.

    When I first met them, Lonnie looked over at me and said, “Get that black boy to show you where put that shit.” Woody looked over at Lonnie and said, “You nuttin’ but a marshmallow ass squaw. I going to sit down and smoke a cigarette and put you lazy ass to work.” :shock:

    Then they both busted out laughing. Blue collar humor.

    They took me to my first girlie bar and vouched I was 21. I was probably 19. Bought me this cheap ass beer for hours and put dollar bills in their mouth on pervert’s row. :lol: “Get out them dollars Tex and get up here to see this stuff.”

  32. “I absolutely love the consistency of your abortion and death penalty stance.”

    Yes, because the unborn are comparable to violent felons.

  33. Ah geez. No Rutherford I don’t consider you a busted liar. I consider this president, his cabinet, his advisors, his administration, his press secretary, his campaign, and all of his friends busted liars.

    I particularly hate busted liars who prey on docile and vulnerable people.

  34. LOL .. this was fun. Rabbit is one of those “he ain’t black enough to be black” dudes.

    Dude doesn’t have black skin
    Nope — neither does anyone else. ;-)

    doesn’t have a cultural linkage to the black American experience
    My mother’s great grandmother was a slave. That enough of a link for you? Politician came to our house one day and when my mother answered the door he said “may I speak to the lady of the house please?” That enough of a link for you?

    He doesn’t know how to play dominoes. Doesn’t know how to play Spades. Never ate chitlins.
    Two out of three ain’t bad. No on the dominoes and spades but my Mom did cook chitlins once and stunk up the damn apartment. I was a finicky eater — she didn’t make me eat them.
    He’s lost in a room of black people. Their nuanced communication flies right over the top of his head.
    Now the conversation of blacks is “nuanced”?

    Doesn’t go to a black church. Doesn’t know white people stink when they get colds.
    I don’t go to ANY church. Hate to let you in on this but my wife gets colds pretty frequently and doesn’t stink when she gets them. I have to assume that last one was thrown in for humor’s sake.

    Now — Obama? You’re damn right he ain’t no real American black man. If he were, he would never have been elected. I’m blacker than Barack Obama. :-)

  35. “Yes, because the unborn are comparable to violent felons.”

    I truly hate for my remarks to be co-signed by Proggies. It puts me in the awkward position of objecting to being agreed with.

    There’s no equivalency between the two issues for me, Huck. The supposed “consistency” is a rolodex response to the phrase “pro-life.” I don’t play those games.

  36. “Serious question Noah. You blame Obama solely for this? Isn’t the media responsible for focusing on the “celebrity” of Snowden vs what he did?”

    I read an article a couple of weeks back on how major news organization have a relative working in the White House. As I said, Obama covered all his bases.

    “According to a May 11, 2013 article by News Busters, “CBS News President David Rhodes and ABC News President Ben Sherwood, both of them have siblings that not only work at the White House, that not only work for President Obama, but they work at the National Security Council (NSC) on foreign policy issues directly related to Benghazi.”

    The article also said that ABC president Ben Sherwood and Special Assistant to Barack Obama, Dr. Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall are brother and sister.

    Deputy Secretary of State for Management and Resources Tom Nides, who turned in his resignation in February 2013 is married to CNN executive Virginia Moseley, according to a November 18, 2012 article by MSNBC.

    White House Press Secretary Jay Carney is married to ABC News contributor Claire Shipman, according to her official biography on the ABC News website.”

  37. “My mother’s great grandmother was a slave. That enough of a link for you?”

    Mine too. You do know there was a second very famous emancipation proclamation don’t you in 1863?

  38. “Now the conversation of blacks is “nuanced”?”

    Absolutely. The conversation of any sub culture has subtle expressions not picked up by an outsider.

  39. “Hate to let you in on this but my wife gets colds pretty frequently and doesn’t stink when she gets them. I have to assume that last one was thrown in for humor’s sake.”

    Of course she doesn’t stink to you. You are not black. Ask any honest black person about white people with colds.

  40. “That’s a rule of witness sequestration. If either side invokes the rule, anyone that might offer testimony is barred from the courtroom no matter how close to any of the parties. That’s just the way it goes. Happens with a lot of my clients’ family members.”

    ET, do you see any potential issues with this?

    “The Martin family sat watching the proceedings behind State Attorney Angela Corey. Before witness testimony began, Judge Debra Nelson denied a defense request that Martin’s father, Tracy Martin, leave the courtroom.

    Tracy Martin is a potential witness, and potential witnesses can be forced to sit outside of the courtroom to keep their testimony from being tainted by other witnesses. But the next-of-kin of victims are allowed to remain in court even if they’re expected to testify.

    [...]

    But Nelson denied the request, and Martin remained in court — but Zimmerman’s parents were covered by the rule regarding potential witnesses and had to sit outside, as did Benjamin Crump, the lawyer for Martin’s parents.”

    Why does 1 potential witness get to be present while another potential witness doesn’t?

  41. Hell if I know Huck. The quoted portion indicates that there’s a statute that makes an exception for the victim’s family. I can’t explain that one. I’m not familiar with the exception or why it serves a purpose that comports with fairness in the trial. After all, its the State that’s the party, not the victim’s family.

    Whether there’s a legal issue there (reversible error) is beyond my area of knowledge and surely dependent on FL law (unless the there’s a federal constitutional due process basis to invalidate the rule).

  42. p.s. my concern about the tweets you linked wasn’t that there wasn’t such a rule, it was how the guy was characterizing it. His approach was outrage that Zimmerman’s father wasn’t allowed in, not that Martin’s without addressing the rule that permits it.

  43. “. . . not that Martin’s father was, and all without addressing the rule that permits it.” He made it sound like the judge made an unfair ruling based on a discretionary double standard when it is more likely that she was just applying the law.

  44. Of course she doesn’t stink to you. You are not black. Ask any honest black person about white people with colds.

    Oh mother of God, you’re serious. ROTFLMAO :lol:

    That will have me chuckling all night. Rabbit, you’re a knucklehead.

    P.S. But yes, you’ve got me again … I don’t speak fluent jive.

  45. Noah, Jay Carney used to work for Time magazine. Robert Gibbs, an MSNBC analyst used to be Press Secretary. This sort of cross fertilization bothers you?

    You want a complete firewall between the press and the government? Do you believe that is even possible? Do you believe such a firewall exists at Fox News? There was a time when Fox News got its own news feed straight from the Bush White House. Did that piss you off?

  46. Law is weird….

    Weird is one way to describe it. I can think of plenty of other descriptors for those that wield it. Listen to Georgia’s next senator…

  47. Is it good to have one less cracker on TV? Yes.” — R

    So I take it you’re boycotting Chris Rock, Samuel L. 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  48. Man, I hope Zimmerman walks just for O.J. payback. :razz:

    A little jury nullification would be sweet revenge – walk out and walk in about five minutes later, much to the chagrin of Rev. Al and Je$$e.

    Black Robed Thug masquerading as Honor: “Do we have a verdict?”

    Jury Foreman: No culpable, terrorismo negroes :lol: :lol:

    I can barely keep two hands on the keyboard dreaming of that.

    Since I think our court system both corrupted and cowardly and about 95% of Americans sitting in the juries inane with the other 5% praying to be removed, I expect the absolute worst sorts of behavior and ruling…

  49. (CNSNews.com) – Secretary of State John Kerry warned Monday that Russia was “on notice” with regard to the U.S. request to hand over the indicted former National Security Agency consultant Edward Snowden, even as Chinese officials played down concerns about soured relations with the U.S. over the decision to let the fugitive leave Chinese soil.

    Or else…

  50. You underestimate the immense power and ego of Cult of Obama, Gorilla. Nobody pens a more strongly worded letter with harsh language that Barack Hussein Obama – probably to the U.N.. Putin will probably shit his pants over that threat.

    Hussein is the man we all waited for with the supernatural ability to stop the rising tides. :wink:

    Vladamir must be enjoying this immensely. Frankly, for the first time in my life, I’m actually enjoying watching a Russkie tweak the nose of a sitting U.S. President. “Eat me, Obama.”

    The malignant narcissist and megalomaniac is about to learn a hard lesson that he ain’t really very good at the game, and not nearly as talented as his filthy, hippie mommie told him he was.

    If it ain’t a drone, Obama’s laying prone.

  51. Tex, no need for jury nullification. This whole ridiculous case is a fucking embarrassment to the legal system. You should’ve seen Rutherford’s genius girlfriend Bubbles Brzezinski this morning. Good Gawd. There’s no hope for these people.

  52. Tigre, no doubt it’s a farce. Trayvon™ was clearly a thug and beating Zimmerman. What more evidence do you need than his history and the wounds?

    But you know us Americans. We’ve got to go through the motions and if if they picked the right jury packed with Densico types, there’s always the chance for a lynching.

    Why didn’t Rev. Tawana and Rev. Je$$e pick a black African-American lawyer to represent Trayvon™? :grin:

    Owww, that’s got to sting.

  53. I understand Deen is now receiving pot shots from Jesse “Hymietown” Jackson. Got that? The anti-Semitic, race baiting, father-of-the-year, fuckwad has a negative opinion of a white southern woman.

    So along with hip-hop ghetto-banga Rutherford “Cracker” Lawson, some marginally relevant redneck t.v. cook has been dumped on by another pillar of society. Who’d have imagined?

  54. Tiger,

    If I were Paula Deen, I would not only remind the nation and Je$$e of that fact, but also make mention of:

    (1) Minister Je$$e’s Rainbow Love Child paid for by donated monies.
    (2) The fact that Rev. Je$$e wasn’t fit to be a father, as indicated by Jesse’s criminal Congressman son – who hopefully gets 50 years in the dink and daily boning from MS-13 bangers.

    I’m telling whitey this right now. The last thing you want to do is grovel to these race pimps. Treat them like the fallacious whores they are from the get go and get in their face. Quit being a bunch of pussies. You give them an inch, they’ll take a mile.

    Shove their hypocrisy up their asses on national TV.

  55. Yeah, looking at those fine parents shaking their heads in the courtroom trying to defend the false image of the piece of shit future salad-tosser (I understand he likes grape), while the media goes back on the crusade Rutherford predicted it wouldn’t is a pitiful display.

    I learned that the poor little boy that just wanted some iced tea and “skillets” (as the whore Sharpton puts it) wasn’t actually drinking iced tea. He picked up some kind of other flavored drink that’s used to make a concoction called “purple drank” containing cough syrup that the gangsta crowd. . . er. . . I mean church acolytes. . . pound for a buzz.

    I’ll report back as news develops on more earth-shaking evidence in the Zimmerman trial.

    p.s. that fucking knock-knock bit in the defense lawyer’s opening should result in automatic disbarment. WTF???

  56. “Why didn’t Rev. Tawana and Rev. Je$$e pick a black African-American lawyer to represent Trayvon™?”

    They did. Benjamin Crump. You’ll remember he wore a hoodie into court in his search for the truth. :roll:

  57. “White folks was in the caves while we blacks was building empires.

    We built pyramids before Donald Trump ever knew what architecture was … we taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.” ~ Rev. Al Sharpton
    :lol: :lol:

    Ignorance on display.

  58. Ouch. This isn’t going to fit the Lib Narrative very well. Isn’t going to fit Thor’s daily meme of BDS either. Wasn’t it Lunkerhead who compared the Christians to Islam on this very board?

    Bono: George Bush, Evangelicals Saved 9 Million AIDS Victims

  59. You guys just don’t know when to stop. So now you’re telling me the Zimmerman case was a slam dunk from the start?

    One man ends a physical altercation by shooting and killing the other man who is unarmed and you say “nothing to see here”? Yippee just another dead black thug? Are you serious?

  60. “Noah, Jay Carney used to work for Time magazine. Robert Gibbs, an MSNBC analyst used to be Press Secretary. This sort of cross fertilization bothers you?”

    How can we trust a press that is in bed with the story? That said I am more bothered, as stories break, at the total picture of government corruption. Again, Obama covered all his bases. This was an elaborate plan expertly executed. He has manipulated our entire process to achieve his ends, and it appears that he is going to get away with it. This means we can look forward to future Presidents doing more of the same. Chicago politics gone national.

    As I prepare to leave I leave disgusted and enraged.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/24/ObamaCar-handout-for-taxpayer-subsidized-vehicles-for-kids-built-into-immigration-bill-too

    http://news.investors.com/041713-652257-immigration-reform-meets-obamacare-employer-mandate.htm

  61. R, you MENSA mo-fo, try thinking before typing. Do you know what the term jury nullification means?

    We’re talking about second degree M-U-R-D-E-R. We’ve discussed at length the charges brought and what is required of the State. Follow along Mr. Reading Comprehension.

    “Yippeee just another thug?” Are on knocking back some of the “purple drank” you people have grown fond of? :lol:

    We’re talking about the fucking lynching of Zimmerman that you are witnessing and the false images of the cherubic little Trayvon Martin that wouldn’t have the capacity to do what the defense said he did. :roll:

  62. I mean. . . Yippeee, another cracker falsely prosecuted and thrown in prison for life because he’s. . . well. . . a white Hispanic the race hustlers arrived.

    Oh, I’m sure Sharpton cares a lot about getting right. You should follow his lead.

    Phew. Glad I corrected that.

  63. Holy shit, Tex. Sharpton did actually say that.

    Well, that proves his qualifications to be a “political analyst” on Rutherford’s version of a news outlet. The one that edited audio tapes to show how killing defenseless black children was Zimmerman’s business (and business was good).

  64. One man ends a physical altercation by shooting and killing the other man who is unarmed and you say “nothing to see here”? Yippee just another dead black thug? Are you serious?

    About the dead black thug? Or the race pimps?

    You finally got something right, “R”. Wannabee sheriff; wannabee banger. The banger learned a tragic lesson, the sheriff the consequences of pointing a gun at a banger – don’t do it unless you intend to use it.

    As to 2nd degree murder charge? DEFINITELY, NOT GUILTY.

  65. “One man ends a physical altercation by shooting and killing the other man who is unarmed and you say “nothing to see here”?”

    I’m still not sure about this case either.

    In fact, I fear this could ultimately unravel stand your ground laws in the long run, which I think are a very good thing.

    It seems the prosecution has texts to and from a chick with Trayvon wondering why the hell some stranger is following him. I’d definitely be on high alert if some Hispanic dude was following me, mad dogging me the entire time.

    On the other side of the coin, it sounds like the defense has an eye witness watching Trayvon ground and pound Zimmerman. If so, that has to be damaging as hell to the Prosecution.

    What I probably should do is spend an hour learning more about the case….but I just can’t get myself to do it.

    And Rutherford…..how dare you act outraged over anyone’s quick opinion on this one. You lost your “objectivity” card a long time ago.

    Or maybe it’s because Tray looks just like your son, if you had one. Wait a minute. Trayvon doesn’t look like Gilbert Gottfried.

  66. R is a lost cause. But damn DR, I have to say, I don’t get your ambivalence. What the fuck difference does it make if Zimmerman was following him? We’ve been through this. You and R keep going back to something akin to who is the better person or the actor whose thoughts you can identify with, or something seems out of place. It’s a Damned murder charge, not a beauty contest or a weirdo contest. Being an idiot is not the ultimate issue — motive to fucking MURDER someone is. Unless you think Zimmerman was gunning for an unarmed black kid and “hunted him down and shot him in the street like a dog,” then there’s nothing to decide.

    And yes, I understand that you’re trying to reconcile who the initial aggressor was. But my point still obtains. Whether Trayvon felt threatened is not the question. Zimmerman sure as shit didn’t punch himself in the face and pounded his own head into the sidewalk.

  67. Remember too, what makes this really bizarre is that the prosecution has to attack its own police and investigators that determined Zimmerman was not at fault. Think on that for a minute. That’s a huge reversal. Again, all motivated by race.

  68. If Zimmerman is found guilty, I hope to hell the Hispanic community forms a mob and riots. And it has been my experience unlike another tribe that will go unmentioned, Latinos generally have the sense to not foul their own backyard. :neutral:

    I’m with you on this one completely, Tigre. The only way Zimmerman could be found guilty is because his face is not black. While it could be argued that Zimmerman was guilty of some low beef charge as I don’t know Florida law, there is no way in hell a man looking to kill is going to let some punk smash his head on the ground before aiming the gun. This Trayvon™ was a bully and punk who had gotten away with it his enter life, and that obvious as hell.

    But I also recognize how utterly gutless most people are that walk in fear and I no longer trust the sense of jurors – not in the least.

    It could happen…

  69. “It could happen. . .”

    Agreed. DR ain’t one of those folks.

    It’s Zimmerman’s motives and fear that count; not Martin’s. Zimmerman is the one on trial for murder.

    One or both can be wrong and/or dumb and that doesn’t mean someone does or doesn’t go to prison for life. Fuck.

  70. Your right. We have been through this. I didn’t know the facts of the case and still don’t.

    I get how disgusted you are on how this was handled by the media, Rutherford the MSNBC toad and our sorry ass President. So…perhaps that’s why you are so emotional invested in this. Or so eager to call a verdict.

    Why don’t you just let the trial unfold and make a call then? Do you really feel secure with the facts of this case when you seem to be getting them from the very same media that made such a cluster fuck of it all in the first place?

    I mean damn….Casey Anthony was guilty as hell and you came on here right after the verdict and stroked yourself off to the awesomeness of the justice system.

    Which….I get. Because you are part of the awesomeness. (And we do have the best justice system on Earth)

    But in this case…..you are some odd ball eager beaver convinced of a verdict before the case even started.

    So yeah…..I am totally ambivalent.

    If Zimmerman started the fight, got his ass kicked to the point he needed to shoot the thug…..it should be 2nd degree murder.

    I’ve read the law. To prove second degree murder, a prosecutor must show that the Zimmerman acted according to a “depraved mind” without regard for human life.

    Does getting out of your car and confronting a stranger after stalking said stranger qualify? I don’t know. Probably not…but I don’t know. I could go either way on that.

    In fact, I don’t know a thing how this fight went down. If Zimmerman in any way started this fight…..well….we need a trial.

    This is no slam dunk.

  71. “Casey Anthony was guilty as hell and you came on here right after the verdict and stroked yourself off to the awesomeness of the justice system.”

    No I didn’t. Nor did I know a fucking thing about the Casey Anthony case.

  72. Look DR, He shouldn’t have even been charged. I watched the openings last night. I can make this call.

    “Does getting out of your car and confronting a stranger after stalking said stranger qualify? I don’t know. Probably not…but I don’t know. I could go either way on that.”

    WTF??? Then if it were a cop that was wondering why this guy was wondering around and investigated, he’d be acting with a depraved mind?

    Cracker, puleeeze!

    Again, It’s the act of “killing with a depraved mind.” If you’re out to kill, do you follow someone then call 911 to discuss it? Shit.

    “But in this case…..you are some odd ball eager beaver convinced of a verdict before the case even started.”

    Hardly. There are lines of attorney around the block that are convinced that Zimmerman should not have even been charged with what was known then and known now. I am in no way an oddball.

    The verdict is different story. Anything can happen. I mentioned OJ just a few comments back. Incompetent prosecution but we have less evidence against Hitler. So, again you’re full of shit.

    DR, you’re half right on my frustration. The other half is just a logic component. To discuss this, and in your case read the elements of the offense, and read “well, I can see where Trayvon was freaked out” leaves me scratching my head. In R’s case, “you’re saying it’s okay to kill him because he’s a little thug — like that’s what we said.

  73. Rutherford, should the racist cracker, Ryan Winkler, lose his job for referring to a Supreme Court justice as “Uncle Thomas”?

    Looks like just another whitey trying to drag the black man down…

  74. “WTF??? Then if it were a cop that was wondering why this guy was wondering around and investigated, he’d be acting with a depraved mind?” -Tigre

    You can do better then that.

  75. yeah sure. Move back to Flint. Go for a walk. Lets measure your pulse under two different scenarios.

    1. Cop driving slowly through the neighborhood. Gets out of his car, walks towards you.

    2. Hispanic stranger rolling slowly through the neighborhood. Gets out of his car and walks towards you.

    One is stranger danger. One isn’t. But you guys know this.

  76. “One is stranger danger. One isn’t. But you guys know this.”

    DR, I don’t how to make this plainer.

    Murder 2:

    It’s Zimmerman’s state of mind, not Martin’s.

    Self Defense:

    The question is Zimmerman’s state of mind, not Martin’s.

    Whether you can see it from Trayvon’s side isn’t the test, Sucka.

  77. Well, now I know more about tossed salad than I ever wanted to or probably needed to know. I thought I’d been around. Self-service indeed. I guess it matters what you know, in some circles anyway. I’ll try to watch my p’s and q’s around some circles. Bet Obama’s hip to it. Nah, we won’t go there…

    You discover some oddball stuff here at Rutherford’s virtual tavern. I wonder if somebody has made a sim game of it. I’m sure they have. These guys are getting paid to do that shit. Probably make more than me. Fuckers. Guess what my node does next? Play it out.

    Nice and toasty out here in the desert. Pools are poppin’. People are running around without much clothes on. Always wise to avoid the walmart during this time of year. Well, every time of year I guess. I can’t remember that last time I crossed that threshold. Probably 6 months or more. I found other sources for my fixes that were previously walmart acquired. Can’t support some of these giants anymore. Cleaning up my act. Get off of frequenting some of these killer corps.

    Hot time in the city. I love it. My panama hat goes on as soon as I exit the pickup. Plenty of water. I always take the scenic routes, whereas most folks I know prefer the freeways. I prefer the streets. Shade is a premium. I’ll walk the extra bit if I can park under a tree.

    Tossed salad, huh? I’m going to have to pay attention to restaurant folks when ordering salad to see what reactions I notice.

  78. Take a way my Hispanic reference. And who care if that was Zimmerman’s hood? There is no comparison to a strange motherfucker getting out of a car and a police officer. You guys can’t make these silly analogies and expect me to ignore it because your own silly analogy isn’t relative to 2nd degree murder.

    At the very least, its confusing. So stop it if it you care about selling me on a slam dunk case.

    Let’s talk about Zimmerman’s state of mind.

    1. Getting out of a car is insanely aggressive. I know you guys disagree with me (or pretend you do) but that’s how I honestly see it.

    I have never gotten out of my car to confront a stranger and NOT expected a physical confrontation. NEVER.

    So, I think Zimmerman’s state of mind is questionable.

    So I need more facts.

    I read Thug was walking in between houses. If this is true, it lends some plausibility for renta cop to get out of his car. If this is true.

    I also read there is an eye witness to this fight. Am it right? Well, this witness testimony would be important. Did this happen between a house? At this pont thug was tresspressing or worse. Getting out of the car would be courageous to the point of stupid but not depraved. Or was thug on the side of the road? In that case getting out of the car is depraved. Who threw the first punch? If it was Zimmerman I have a problem, once again, with his mindset.

    Did Zimmerman confront Thug in such a way that Thug thought he had to defend himself with a preemptive strike. (I do feel getting out of your car with certain posturing allows one to go on the offense) If so, I question Zimmerman’s mindset and find him guilty in the Second. That’s depraved shit jumping out if a car to confront a stranger.

    If you don’t mind, let me know the facts as they emerge in the case. I cant get myself to follow it.

  79. R – are you following the doin’s in Texas? Boy, those fellows sure know how to pick a losing battle.

    Let’s see…where is that Republican playbook? Ah, here it is….

    Step 1: put leg in cannon. Pull string. Shoot self in foot.

    Woopsie! Overdid it a bit…

    Why don’t these fucking idiots just go around the country and shoot every fellow Republican in the head? The result is the same. Christ on a crutch…where do we get these goobers?

  80. DR, you just won’t do it.

    Go have a look at some of the facts. I gave you link to video that set it all out in about 5 minutes with a map and locations and everything.

    You want to convict Zimmerman of second degree murder with a because Trayvon was scared; not because Zimmerman had depraved man and you attack my analogy?

    Whatever man. Wasted effort. You’re trying to make an argument that even the prosecution isn’t trying to make.

    I quit.

  81. You want to convict Zimmerman of second degree murder because Trayvon was scared; not because Zimmerman had depraved mind. And you attack my analogy?

  82. Well….I dont want to convict Zimmerman of anything. I need facts. Yeah…your right I probably need to read up on it.

    Repeat. I question Z’s mindset for getting out of the car. Its often a prelude to a physical confrontatipn and everyone knows it.

    So…I simply want to see all the facts in a court of law. That’s it.

  83. Well….I dont want to convict Zimmerman of anything. I need facts. Yeah…your right I probably need to read up on it.

    Repeat. I question Z’s mindset for getting out of the car. Its often a prelude to a physical confrontation and everyone knows it.

    So…I simply want to see all the facts in a court of law. Not the media. That’s it.

    I will be following the case from here out.

  84. “I gave you link to video that set it all out in about 5 minutes with a map and locations and everything.”

    Could you repost that link? I’d like to check that out.

  85. At the risk of ruining Rabbit’s approach … bravo!

    Rabbit please do me a favor … DO just watch for the facts of the case as best we can ascertain them and leave all the racial resentment at the door.

    I haven’t read too much of this thread today because I don’t want to be pissed off and what little I’ve read from Tigre is pissing me off.

    I will repeat what I said earlier. This is not a statement about guilt or innocence. This is a simple statement of common sense. ANYONE who says that a physical altercation that ends in an armed man shooting and killing an unarmed man is a slam dunk in favor of the killer is full of BULLSHIT.

    When all the facts are presented, we may be able to come to a consensus on Zimmerman. But it is hardly a slam dunk and quite frankly this quote really pisses me off and makes me NOT want to read another word Tigre has to say about it:

    This whole ridiculous case is a fucking embarrassment to the legal system.

    You don’t draw your opinion about a case from your resentment of the race baiters and opportunists who have attached themselves to it. IMHO, Tigre etal can’t get past Al Sharpton and others who want to make this white vs black. Tigre is not even attempting an impartial look at this.

    So here’s my bottom line — based on what I’ve read so far, after all the facts are in, I’ll take Rabbit’s verdict over anyone else’s because I think Rabbit is really trying to judge human behavior and reasonable response to the situation.

  86. One last thing — to be fair — I have said that Zimmerman is probably guilty of involuntary manslaughter. I don’t believe he had intent to kill. If ALL Tigre is saying is that Z was overcharged, then I apologize for 117 but I get the distinct feeling that Tigre thinks Z should never have been arrested or charged with anything for killing a dude who had a legit reason to be in the neighborhood he was in.

    I will say this, while Tigre gets my blood boiling I don’t think he’s stupid enough to start his defense with a knock-knock joke. If this foretells how the trial will go, Zimmerman is doomed.

  87. So here’s my bottom line — based on what I’ve read so far, after all the facts are in, I’ll take Rabbit’s verdict over anyone else’s because I think Rabbit is really trying to judge human behavior and reasonable response to the situation.

    Well, of course you are. Because when push comes to shove, you don’t want to hold blacks accountable for horrific, lawless behavior anymore than Rev. Al Sharpton does. And when push really comes to shove, you’ll revert back to poor little persecuted black man yourself.

    My great grandma was a slave. Waaaahhh!

    So fucking what? You think black man the only persecuted legacy in history? Do you hear Jews making excuse? How about these Asians who have left darkie in the dust? My great great grandpa was killed freeing your grandma’s ass letting your ignorant, illiterate grandma escape the historical spear chunking Zulus of Africa, black as the ace of spades and selling her to the ship, only to be left with the most shiftless, graceless, most lawless legacy of animals in U.S. history, blaming great great grandpa’s legacy for every self-created fault of poor, little persecuted black man. Oh, sorry. African-Americans. Well, my little heart just bleeds.

    Why don’t you mofos set up shop in Africa, revoke your U.S. citizenship, and try your hand at an equal field? How much reparation you want in return, and then you can return your unmerited entrance to Harvard with interest?

    Wouldn’t be six months and you would be staring at Liberia, sport.

    And if you think I’m just full of shit and a bigot, show me your black entrepreneurs that bring us all this great technology that makes your own life so soft? Who Oprah, while she sets on her fat, pork-filled ass entertaining your Obama low information voters buying fans with donated cars from those very fucking lilly white executives who give her the cars? Those few blacks with any sense are then condemned by the lesser multitude of blacks because they took the opportunity to achieve instead of looking for grievance.

    How about an example of really stupid, grievance hustler with an ego the size of Manhattan?

    We don’t have time to argue with the Flat Earth Society? Your dumb, jug-earred Kenyan could not find his black, half-white, 3/8 Arab ass with both hands. However, here’s what your industrious “middle of the historical road” President just did through his jackbooted Gestapo known as the EPA. He just raised the electric bills of 40% of poorest Americans – including many of those whose sons would look just like him. And you stupid fucks still vote for him. You’re not just hypocrites and racists yourselves – you’re too stupid to even understand the ramifications of your actions to take care of yourselves or your loved ones. The very ones whose faces you spit in are the only ones keeping your heads above water and not being Liberia.

    Gawd, get me away from you ignorant fuckers from the Left – especially the race pimps. Fuck you, Rutherford.

  88. R, you’re such an idiot.

    “Well….I dont want to convict Zimmerman of anything. I need facts. Yeah…your right I probably need to read up on it.” -DR

    R: “I think Rabbit is really trying to judge human behavior and reasonable response to the situation.”

    Yeah, that’s a lot of energy being put in there in the quest to gain an understanding.

    “I don’t believe he had intent to kill. If ALL Tigre is saying is that Z was overcharged, then I apologize for 117.” -R.

    No shit? Where would get that idea. . . well other than I’ve said it to you dozens of times. I even used the word murder in all caps two or three times above. Bravo indeed Mr. Reading comprehension. That would signify something to a casual observer. But not you. Your “distinct impression” is good enough, especially since you’re too angry to read what I wrote.

    Funny how the bulk of what I’ve said you agreed with when Dershowitz said it. Of course he didn’t take a shot at your race-hustling friends at MSNBC, which is what really gets your goat, isn’t it?

    R’s mad and agrees with you DR. You must be flattered. :lol:

  89. My assessment of the Martin-Zimmerman incident is that it is a rare instance where BOTH parties fucked with the wrong person.

  90. R, you very proud of your party, I’m sure…

    As the Washington Examiner’s Philip Klein recently reported: “Under Obamacare, businesses with over 50 workers that employ American citizens without offering them qualifying health insurance could be subject to fines of up to $3,000 per worker. But because newly legalized immigrants wouldn’t be eligible for subsidies on the Obamacare exchanges until after they become citizens – at least 13 years under the Senate bill – businesses could avoid such fines by hiring the new immigrants instead.

    On Tuesday afternoon, THE WEEKLY STANDARD asked five different U.S. Senators about this problem. These five senators, all Democrats, voted to cut off debate Monday night on the revised immigration bill, but none of them knew if the bill would create a financial incentive for some employers to hire amnestied immigrants instead of American citizens.

    “We’re trying to solve that right now. I don’t know if that’s been solved,” Senator Max Baucus of Montana (chief author of Obamacare) told THE WEEKLY STANDARD.

    “I don’t know. I’d have to look at it closely,” said Senator Bob Casey of Pennsylvania. “I just haven’t read it that closely to know.”

    So, jobs for Americans bad, but jobs for illegal aliens good. I see.

    House your spouse (liberalese for ‘wife’) found a new job yet? Curious how her search is going… (Honest question)

  91. Well, the Republicans – in the one state in the Union where they were safe – just shot their own feet off. Along with their fucking arms, legs and apparently their brains.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/26/texas-lawmaker-filibusters-against-abortion-bill/

    The Democrats have been casting an envious eye on Texas, knowing it is filling up with illegals – read that “Democrats.” Now with their morbid fixation on abortion, the Texas Republicans have not only helped the Dems, they have galvanized the women of Texas against them.

    Now the Left not only has a meme – “the Republican War on Women” – they have a hero, Senator Wendy Davis. Way to go, you stupid, stupid bastards.

    Goddamned idiots. I was hoping that at least Texas could serve as a place where the Republican party could rest and recuperate until it came to its senses, but No! They had to go after abortion, that shiny object. The thing that is going to put their party in the dustbin of history. Mark my words.

    Fuck ‘em. This party of foolish old men deserves to go the way of the dodo.

  92. R – I just realized that I have been discriminated against.

    My application for the MBA program at Big University was turned down. They say on their Website that their primary requirement is a dedication to “diversity.”

    Obviously I do not fit that bill. I am an old white guy with a successful career in medicine, money in the bank, a lifetime of accomplishment, including building and flying my own airplane. I don’t “need” any help. But clearly, I have been passed over for someone less-qualified. After July 1, I will be able to contact them and learn the reasons for my rejection.

    Now watch the difference in how people with something on the ball roll, vs. chronic soreheads standing with their hands out:

    I started working on my Commercial Single Engine rating.
    I have begun studying QuickBooks, so I can do the accounting for my wife’s and my little publishing company – which, by the way, just passed a major income milestone.
    I have helped my son sign up for a “programming bootcamp” in Chicago, and will likely spend much of the twelve weeks there with him.
    I am taking a grade-school friend to the big airshow in Oshkosh in 4 weeks, to help him get excited about flying again, after having had a good scare when he got lost over the mountains of WV.
    I am riding my bicycle 12 miles every day along a local rail-trail, with the goal of losing 30#.
    I am searching for another MBA program at a lesser-prestige institution.
    I am beginning the process of re-application at Big University for next year, if nothing pans out.
    I am finalizing the plans for my workshop that I have wanted since I was ten, and should be pouring concrete by fall. I will do the carpentry, plumbing and wiring myself. Should finish it within a year.
    I have begun restoring my aunt’s 1942 floor-model Zenith radio – so far I’ve replaced all the capacitors. Wires next. Then the cabinet.

    So, R, even though I have been discriminated against because of my age and skin color, I will NOT sue them. I will not call call some racial ambulance-chaser like Sharpton or his bud Jackson to come “protest.” (code for “loot.”) I will not whine or complain about my lack of a prestigious undergrad degree from Big University (couldn’t afford it) or lack of a legacy there (my folks couldn’t afford it – and by the way, they asked about “legacy” specifically).

    Where I grew up it was called, “hump and get it.” I shall. Tell some folks you know to try some on. It’s a good feeling.

  93. Should there be no abortion measures of any kind brought forward, Doc?

    It sounds to me like the abortion Providers in TX will have to spend some of that easy money on patient care. Tragic.

    I’ve wondered as I wandered how the good doctor Gosnell got so fat off of performing drive-thru abortions on the particular clientel he is known to have catered to.

  94. Nice.

    US First-Quarter GDP Gets a Haircut, Rises 1.8%

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100845284

    Let’s see if our resident Obama fans and economic geniuses can understand why this might boost the stock market they tout as evidence of a growing economy.

    Any guesses Thor or Rutherford? You held it out there.

  95. Tigre I didn’t know Dershowitz take on it. It actually does help ones case when they don’t get all wound up over MSNBC and the race baiters. Interestingly this is one unusual case where YOUR emotions are undermining your presentation. Usually I’m guilty of that.

  96. “My assessment of the Martin-Zimmerman incident is that it is a rare instance where BOTH parties fucked with the wrong person.”

    Very well put.

  97. “Because the media and Obama made it national news to fulfill their agendas.”

    No, not entirely. Any reasonable person at first blush would understand the hubbub. In a community where cops had bad history with blacks, they decline to arrest a non-black man who has shot a black teenager with skittles and a drink. On the face of it, without knowing any more, that is a news story.

  98. Oh cool. Some good news for the Obama administration. 1Q growth downgraded to 1.8%. Shoooo! I was nervous we were producing more things and hiring more people. Market would have hated that.

    Hail Ben Bernank!
    Hail Obama!

  99. Whatever Rutherford. This indictment for MURDER is politically motivated and nobody disputes that but you, including the ones that called for it. It’s an abuse and any hesitation in calling it that is born of pure ignorance. In your case disingenuous or deliberate ignorance, but most certainly not innocent.

    Since you won’t read or consider what I wrote, I am done responding to you. Shit, you don’t even remember that it was you, not me, that mentioned Dershowitz when the public lynching got going.

    This is like deja vu. Kind of reminds me of trying to discuss the SCOTUS decision on Obamacare where actually reading or thinking about the opinion was too much, while commenting on it was not. You have reduced intellectually lazy to a science.

    If you (the guy that accused Palin of causing Giffords’ shooting within moments of the event then clung to it) actually gave a fuck, you’d simply look at what was already said. Instead, though I guess you’ll you can “wait for the facts,” like the ones DR wondered about that were pulled straight out of his ass and exist nowhere, to resolve your ambivalence. :roll: I assume that’s part of the persuasive debate technique learned in through the online course.

  100. Frankly Pfesser, for an accomplished man and a smart man, there are some really important things you simply DON’T GET.

    The Democrats have been casting an envious eye on Texas, knowing it is filling up with illegals – read that “Democrats.” Now with their morbid fixation on abortion, the Texas Republicans have not only helped the Dems, they have galvanized the women of Texas against them

    This War on Women meme? The ones believing that are misandrists whose mind you will never change about anything anyway. You think if Republicans in Texas all suddenly begin thinking like you, that these woefully ignorant Lori skanks and Cynthia gape mammies are suddenly going to start voting Republican? :roll:

    You think there’s a bunch of Republican women in Texas that are suddenly going to say, “Oh no! Not my vagina!” Those Republican women voted in the last election with this as part of their demands. Stop treating abortion like a sacrament. Over half the country disagrees with you, including females.

    Seems to me you would be a hell of a lot more productive if you started worrying about your own “blue” neck of the woods that used to be red and just greatly assisted Pres. Transformation to become President again in ruining the country. Mitt Romney just won in Texas by 16 percentage points and the only reason it wasn’t 30 like Oklahoma is that there are more mammies and breeders in urban Texas ghettos of Houston, San Antonio and Dallas. And until we cut off the goodies and the welfare, they ain’t voting Republican either.

    This Wendy skank is a hero to very same misandrists you stifle and stomp over at Fat Grannies – to women like my wife, a Texas resident mind you, Wendy’s an abomination to women and life, and a demon.

    Texas ain’t going anywhere blue…and the only thing that would turn it blue is the same thing that turned New Mexico and Colorado blue. Millions of broke California and Yankee libs and dopers looking for better handouts. Perry ought to build a western wall to keep the freeloaders out and a 50ft electrified fence along the southern border to keep out the wetbacks. Fuck ‘um – I’m done with pandering to the misandrists, thieves and the freeloaders.

    You obviously don’t know Texas.

  101. “On the face of it, without knowing any more, that is a news story.”

    That’s why your MSNBC and other media outlets had to distort the facts and in fact went so far as to edit audio tape to make out Zimmerman, the “white-hispanic,” to be a racist on a mission to go “git him some blacky?”

    Of course, that little piece of shit could’ve been Obama’s son — well on the face of it.

    You denying this as agenda driven his fucking laugh out loud.

  102. “No, not entirely.” -R

    Bull shit. You guys, from your beloved Obama to your pundits defecated all over this from day one. You fucks don’t give a shit about murder.

    The fact the President of the United States weighed in to the point of calling Trayvon his “son” to utter 100% bull shit depiction of Trayvon himself….you people are whores of the worst kind.

    You people even changed the race of Zimmerman to fit some sort of mold.

    In a just world, Zimmerman should have all charges dropped just over the unfairness of having the President of the United States purposely taint the jury pool and public opinion. The President of the United States!!!!!!!! Sickening.

    Prominent libs tweeting the false address of Zimmerman and news organizations actually highlighting that garbage. Assholes like yourself popping off at the mouth with no real facts.

    And what makes you, Rutherford, a super slime ball of the highest order is your absolute lack of concern over the thousands upon thousands upon thousands of blacks killed by blacks. Never once have you questioned why its happening with any honesty. You don’t give the slightest shit about dead black kids. Look a the proximity of it to your own stuffy apartment? Look at the subject titles of your blog entries. NOT ON YOUR RADAR.

    Unless…UNLESS…….unless…. it’s some man bites dog tabloid bull shit propped up by the pimps you regard as leaders and whipped up into a MSNBC froth you could care less.

  103. Take this, race hustlers. Buwahahahahaha…

    http://wtkr.com/2013/06/25/orders-for-paula-deen-cookbook-surge/

    Like I said after the last election. There may be more of you than they’re of us, but you can’t out perform us where it counts. And one day when enough of us get tired of your thieving and your bullshit, we’re going to take our accounts elsewhere and let you assholes starve.

    And don’t count on the military to help you. Most of them hate you too and the ones that don’t aren’t flying, aiming and driving the real hardware. They’re running around sodomizing each other. :twisted:

  104. I wrote #132 assuming that the stomping and snorting meant that the bill had passed in the night.

    I guess not!

  105. “You denying this as agenda driven his fucking laugh out loud.” -T

    Big time. But…honestly….would you expect anything more out him?

    It’s exactly what disgusts me so much about Rutherford. He has no physical powers. Looks like that little monster who sits on Jabba’s lap (replace Jabba with MSNBC), he’s not experienced in world affairs, never traveled much, obviously not that valuable in corporate America….a minimum wage earner

    He has one talent. Writing. Having a voice. He’s good at it. And he would rather whore himself out on such an obvious level that he’s ruined the only thing he had going for him.

    Makes me detest him.

  106. No, not entirely. Any reasonable person at first blush would understand the hubbub. In a community where cops had bad history with blacks, they decline to arrest a non-black man who has shot a black teenager with skittles and a drink. On the face of it, without knowing any more, that is a news story.” – R

    See, this is where your bias gets exposed for the drivel that it is.

    [T]hey decline to arrest a non-black man who has shot a black teenager with skittles and a drink meme is crap. What you and I didn’t know—but the police ON THE FUCKING SCENE assuredly did know—was that Zimmerman suffered injuries that corroborated an argument of self-defense. He wasn’t arrested not because he wasn’t black, but because they didn’t think he broke a law.

    So you, devoid of any legal knowledge (or facts of the case) and sitting on your ass in your legal armchair, are saying that it was blatantly obvious that Zimmerman committed a crime, while the law enforcement officers trained in the law seemed to have come to the EXACT opposite conclusion. Hmmmmmmmmm, I wonder who would be the best judge?

    And I’m sorry, this pitty-patty, woe-is-me that “race” is being injected in this case is crap. Who injected race? In a community where cops have a bad history with blacks? Hmmm, what’s the history of blacks with cops in that community? I honestly don’t know, which is why I’m not the one using it as a defense for the indefensible. You have shown interest and issued condemnation purely because St. Skittles was black. Had he been any other race or creed, you would have given two shits. You have disregarded—repeatedly—a host of facts that run contrary to your biased opinion and despite these revelations proving the opposite of what you opine, you continue the racist diatribe against Zimmerman. At this point, it is clear that you are racist against Hispanics (two-way street big guy…).

  107. It’s a news story because it produces the right controversy, one of the ones the media is tasked to foment. It raises racial torrents. It raises gun and anti-gun advocacy. The POTUS’s weighing in early on only adds fuel to the fire.

    It’s a news story because this infotainment circus needs an act to direct the focus of the millions of its disgruntled ticket holders. It creates a colorful diversion from the ongoing real white collar crimes and graying legal areas contributing to the systematic destruction of our long-held rights by our supposed representatives and their partners in business crime.

    As others have pointed out, there are multiple murders every day in multiple cities around this nation that go down mostly unnoticed. There are multiple instances where guns have prevented crimes and murders. There are more murders in this land that take place without the involvement of guns. 60,000 plus people die in this nation every year from legal pharmaceuticals prescribed by licensed practitioners and no one is outraged by that. A US veteran takes his own life now averaging every 60 minutes with little notice or news coverage. Active duty personnel are doing the same at a rate of one per day, more than we lose in our illegal worldwide battle zones.

    Making this a national event assures tptb we won’t focus our collective outrage on things we CAN actively change. Like the OJ trial that instituted these public courtroom displays, justice will take a seat in the very back while the front of house characters perform and steal the show.

    No amount of press will change the fact that one person is no longer alive and therefore won’t be wholly represented and one person’s life has been permanently altered to never be ‘normal’ again, no matter the trial outcome.

    Justice, and the system designed to uphold it, take another serious death blow, while infotainers and their capitalist overlords salivate over national exposure opportunities for gain.

  108. Greg Roseman has hockey hair. I’d like to Bobby Probert his ass into the boards and then unleash on him until his mullet falls off.

  109. Thanks, muffy. Every time I begin to forget what your true purpose here is, you prompt a reminder.

  110. :lol: If you weren’t stoned when you wrote that then I apologize.

    What’s my true purpose here, Philo?

  111. muffy: “Should there be no abortion measures of any kind brought forward, Doc?”

    No. Unless, of course, your goal is to destroy the Republican Party – what is left of it. In that case, by all means, have at it.

    The Dems have the field on this one. They have so successfully pressed the “War on Women” meme that as soon as the Repubs bring abortion up, the Dems are all over it. That war is over and you lost, but press on; help them put that dagger through your heart; it’s working great so far. If things keep going the same way, maybe soon it will be the Democrats and the Libertarians. Has a nice ring, don’t you think?

    “I’ve wondered as I wandered how the good doctor Gosnell got so fat off of performing drive-thru abortions on the particular clientel he is known to have catered to.”

    Gosnell is irrelevant. He is one man; he broke the law; the law will deal with him. (He is kind of fat, though, isn’t he?)

    Tex: “This War on Women meme? The ones believing that are misandrists whose mind you will never change about anything anyway.”

    Right. Like the way the Internet lit up last night. You don’t get it, do you? Wendy Davis is a national hero. The women are pissed, and they will be voting that way – and I got news for you, pardner – they ain’t voting ReBiblican. Think voters don’t change their minds? Then how did Hussein get elected, twice, after multiple Republican presidents? What nonsense.

    I wondered what it would take to get the young women in America to wake up and take notice of how their access to abortion was being stripped away, one law, one state at a time. News flash: they’re awake now, and the ReBiblicanTexas legislature did it last night.

    I accuse the Nags of chewing their cuds; maybe that extends elsewhere, too. You just close your eyes and keep thinking the same way you are; it’s what got your Party where it is. Let’s see where it takes you.

  112. NO abortion measures are to be brought forward. ? None? Zero? Zilch?

    Fuck that.

    What law did Gosnell break?

    “I wondered what it would take to get the young women in America to wake up and take notice of how their access to abortion was being stripped away, one law, one state at a time.”

    Oh stop it. You’re just feeding the wildebeasts. EVERY SINGLE OBJECTION to this bill is abstract gossip.

    When this dustup first got kicked up my initial thought was “Oh no. Why? What are they doing?” After reading the screed around the blogosphere last night I DO come back to where I started and so do you.

    Especially the likes of that ridiculous woman pretending to be an aged wise sassy gramma with real life experiences to match the resume. Her whole argument portends the size of mens’ penises to be the motivating factor driving the bill. You go with that?

    It’s a fucked up system, Doc. One where the president of Planned Parenthood takes an annual salary that puts her in the category of a 1%-er.

    PS…don’t go with the line of thinking you ended with @#155, ok?

  113. <<>>

    I should have posed that as a question. One that I’ve not found the answer to on my rounds of Prog Blogs. Just histrionics and melodrama. The kind that was suspiciously absent when the man in charge of the house of horrors in Philly was on trial for murdering live children. Fuck. What is wrong with this picture.

  114. Yeah, I think the Margaret and Helen thing is bogus, too.

    re: Texas. From Alexandra Petri: As a general rule, when someone tries to sneak something past under cover of darkness, it is not because they believe it would be wildly attractive by daylight.

    And that’s exactly the case with the abortion restrictions that were being dragged through the Texas legislature. The controversial measures did not pass during the legislature’s regular session, but Gov. Rick Perry (R) added the anti-abortion legislation to the docket of the special 30-day session — in spite of the 80 percent of Texans who did not think focusing on abortion was a good use of the special session’s time and the majority of Texans who opposed the bill — throwing the Democratic minority and pro-choice advocates into a frenzy as they worked to block a vote.

    80 percent, huh. Let’s see – that would be, oh, roughly four out of five by my calculations…

    So what was in the bill, anyway? I’m too lazy to read it, so let’s see what the AP had to say.

    “The bill, known as SB 5, would ban abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy and force many clinics that perform the procedure to upgrade their facilities and be classified as ambulatory surgical centers. Also, doctors would be required to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles. (Texas is so rural and large that it would effectively close nearly all rural abortion clinics – PF)

    If signed into law, the measures would close almost every abortion clinic in Texas, a state 773 miles wide and 790 miles long with 26 million people. A woman living along the Mexico border or in West Texas would have to drive hundreds of miles to obtain an abortion. The law’s provision that abortions be performed at surgical centers means only five of Texas’ 42 abortion clinics are currently designated to remain in operation.”

    Yes, I can see why they tried to sneak it in the special session…

    Texas Republicans will pay for this dearly. And now the Democrats slip one rung higher toward a majority in Texas.

    Nice going, assholes.

  115. I meant to put this in italics @ # 158 – “EVERY SINGLE OBJECTION to this bill is abstract gossip.” Refering to posing it as a question instead of a declaration.

  116. Yeah, I read all that too, Doc. I learned not to listen to what Proggies tell me things mean. Too many lies to count anymore in that regard. I’ll decide for myself what things mean by looking at what they are first. .

    This isn’t about being right, Doc. Rutherford’s the only one impressed by the misfortune-telling. I do understand what you’re saying and it makes a lot of sense. I’m just trying to figure out what doesn’t make the cut on this big deal bill.

    Why are the very people getting rich off of abortion complaining that the measures in the bill would be cost-prohibitive? Since when does costing businesses money concern this administration and all the rats following the music?

  117. The memory of Obama arguing against having a second doctor in the room while Gosnell silences the screams of the “fetus” essentially because to have that second pair of knowing eyes is redundant – has stayed with me.

  118. Pfessor, play another Moody Blues Album. Young women are moving pro life at lightening speed.

  119. ahh…the hubris of the boomer generation. They really can’t conceive of a generation coming behind them with different views.

    And…even more annoying…like I saw at the last Moody Blues concert I went through….the men love their hair. What kind of man is in love with his hair? Fake hair awkardly bounced to the rolling of sway Tuesday Afternoon.

    The Republican party is displaying forward thinking for ounce in Texas.

  120. and….upon that horribly spelled garbage i spewed absent of the rules of English…the dude abides…..the dude abides.

  121. So I tune into MSNBC on my lunch break to hear about the DOMA decision and what do I get? The George Zimmerman trial.

    Damn race baiters! ;-)

  122. DR – “ahh…the hubris of the boomer generation. They really can’t conceive of a generation coming behind them with different views.”

    Hasn’t a thing to do with generations. Has to do with reality. Remember, I – other than Rutherford – am the only one on this blog who predicted Romney’s defeat, so doubt my divinations at your peril…LOL. – (signed, Pythia)

    “Fake hair awkardly bounced to the rolling of sway Tuesday Afternoon.”

    Still have mine, so far. It was thinning a bit and then I quit washing it with every shower and rubbing it out with the towel, and went to once-a-week. It’s thicker now than when I was thirty.

    BTW, I’m a “Story in Your Eyes” kind of guy.

    “The Republican party is displaying forward thinking for ounce in Texas.”

    Talk to me in five years. As my Mom used to say, “We’ll see whose ass is the blackest.” I predict an electoral bloodbath, unless the TX Republicans wise up and back off.

  123. “It’s thicker now than when I was thirty.”

    Now that I think about it, that might just be the dirt.

  124. Not true, Doc. (you and Carnac there). I’m beginning to wonder if you read many of the comments here. Other than to steal my jokes on occasion.

    What laws did Gosnell break?

  125. Well, let me do it this way – if he did not break the law, then why has he been convicted of murder?

    Are you saying he is innocent?

    BTW, I only steal jokes fair and square.

  126. Texas Republicans will pay for this dearly. And now the Democrats slip one rung higher toward a majority in Texas.

    They won’t lose shit. You don’t know a damn thing about Texas. Yeah, Perry is so unpopular in Texas, he’s won three times as Governor by overwhelming margins.

    So what a bunch of dung beetles with ovaries come banging out on their computers? You think those dumb clucks are ever going to vote Republican? You’re dealing with the worst of the worst and the more pissed off they are, the better off America is. Here’s the perfect opportunity to insult more of them.

    That’s more fat asses to slap and truthfully I wouldn’t mind busting a few of their asses and not with a paddle but with their teeth at the back of their throat. Now they can make me gleeful and call my woman beater too because I wouldn’t hesitate to cave their skulls in I thought I could get away with it.

    And make up your mind. Either suck ass with your sisters in sodomy Lori and Cynthia, or get on board and quit whining that we don’t glorify you abject personal bankruptcy so you can keep more of your money and perhaps, and the glimmer of hope fleeting, we might leave something worth saving to our kids.

    Rand Paul is a hell of a lot closer to me in philosophy than he is you, or perhaps you have noticed?

  127. Tex – I have made up my mind. It goes like this: what is right always trumps what is Right. Or Left. A good lesson for anyone.

    You gotta cool down, man. You’re slipping back to the old Tex – not only unlikeable – but ineffective.

  128. Look, Tex – actually I kind of like you sometimes, but you need to face facts: your Boys shit the bed last night. They let the Left maneuver them into a position where they looked like a bunch of old fascists bent on passing a law that nobody wanted, and doing it under cover of night in a special session, while Wendy Whateverhernameis came out looking like a folk hero. They got their asses taken to the cleaners, and no amount of thrashing and gyrating and rationalizing will change that.

    And the best comeback you can manage is, “Well, those women are all ugly, and I’d like to beat them up.” Nice.

    You lost that round. Badly. Lick your wounds and try to learn something from your mistakes. The Dems mean to take Texas, and they are smart and focused. Calling them stupid or ugly just makes you look churlish.

    Wise up. One more mistake like last night and it’s done.

  129. “Hasn’t a thing to do with generations. Has to do with reality. Remember, I – other than Rutherford – am the only one on this blog who predicted Romney’s defeat, so doubt my divinations at your peril…”

    The people I’m talking about don’t vote yet. I’m talking future. Remember, your hairy arm pit gunzels you call liberated boomer females will be mostly fertilizer in a few years. They are being replaced by pro life women every day. Throw in the influx of Catholics…..you are yesterday’s news. You will see more and more protection for babies in the womb….not less.

  130. Baby had a set back this week. Doctors now wonder about microcephaly though she doesn’t really fit that model either.

    I am home to attend to some business and then I will be back in Omaha.

    Chris Baker KFAB Omaha talk show host said the country we knew is gone, and he will not be celebrating Independence Day this year.

    162. The memory of Obama’s argument favoring letting aborted babies die reveals pure evil.That applies to the people who refuse to think of the implications of late abortions.

  131. Damn…..that’s some stress, James. They just keep trying to put that little one in a category, don’t they? .

  132. So is the SCOTUS still racist or are we BFFs today?

    “You gotta cool down, man. You’re slipping back to the old Tex – not only unlikeable – but ineffective.”

    wwwwwWWWas that your coup de gras, Doc?

  133. ““You gotta cool down, man. You’re slipping back to the old Tex – not only unlikeable – but ineffective.”

    wwwwwWWWas that your coup de gras, Doc?”

    No, it was heartfelt.

  134. Look, Tex – actually I kind of like you sometimes, but you need to face facts: your Boys shit the bed last night

    Look Pfesser – sometimes I kind of like you too. Got some good stories and you can be an interesting read.

    But you got to understand something. I do not find you credible about anything of real importance. This wild braggadocio you like to claim about the 2012 Presidential election?

    How would we know?

    You waffle from one post to the next, much less one day to the next. About the only two things your consistent in is Christian bigotry and baby killing. And it’s real easy to be right when you get to pick all the choices then claim victory. Frankly, I think you’re so incredibly naive about politics, you come across as practically useless.

    You’re certainly not qualified to claim leadership of the community. Frankly, you’re the fringe. But because this country is so divided, your vote carries more weight than it should. But I’m not going to cave on matters of life or death to make myself more palatable to your desires. When it comes right down to it in politics, you got two choices: Fat Grannies, or me.

    As these Dimocrats you find smart? No, not smart; manipulative and determinedly dishonest and evil. That Lori/Cynthia/Whirled Peas crowd – they are not even qualified to be useful idiots; they’re trash. It’s not Dimocrats that are smart – it’s Americans that are dumb and hear what they want to hear, udging by feelings and not results, emotion and not critical thinking. You’ll be glad to know at least I don’t put you in that crowd.

    I’ll tell you true. This country deserves to fail. It deserves to die. It’s not currently worthy of the brilliance, heroism, patriotism, and sacrifice that made America great. And I’m going to get to watch it happen. And I’m going to profit at others misery. And I’m not going to feel the least bit of remorse or regret in doing so.

    And I’ll also make a prediction for you. All these issues you consider so relevant? The day this economy tanks and it will, there will be no more Lori, or Cynthia, or Whirled Peas, or Wattle Jean to worry about again. They won’t survive – they’re not nearly as tough as you like to credit them. They’re dumb animals and the mob will finish them.

    In fact, after two years on this board, the only thing I can say for sure of you is you like to fly, you like sex, you love abortion, and you absolutely hate Christians. Therefore, you need to hate me – because for all my churlishness, I am one.

    Don’t ever make the mistake of you believing I’m on your side. I ain’t – boring and vulgar notwithstanding.

  135. “You have reduced intellectually lazy to a science.”

    I think you mean I elevated it to a science. Thanks for the compliment. :-)

    Reminds me of when my Mom used to say “you’ve made slowness into an art form”. :-)

  136. Here Pfesser,

    To smooth your furrowed brow. Now you tell me, Doc. What do you believe is more important to the majority of Texans? The economy, jobs and money? Or abortion?

    They aren’t kicking everyone else asses in this here nation by being stupid. We leave that to states like Virginia that reelect feckless turds like Obama.

    What should be the Federer vs. Nadal of state-level competition has become a lopsided trouncing: Texas has humiliated its opponent in straight sets. The federal Bureau of Economic Analysis is out with its state-by-state economic growth numbers for 2012, and Texas is dancing the two-step all over California’s “recovery.” . . .
    The most telling indictment of California’s performance? If you removed oil and gas from the Texas economy, the Lone Star state has still outpaced growth in California. Apologists for the Golden State shouldn’t forget that it is in possession of two-thirds of America’s proven shale reserves, a treasure trove that rivals many resource-rich sovereign countries.

    The BEA also found, to the shock of all concerned, that while California was experiencing the largest tax hike in US history, the national economy grew at eight times the pace of California’s. The Texas economy, by contrast, grew 71 percent faster than the national economy that year.

    Finally, and most disturbingly, the US Census Bureau found that between 2009 and 2011, California had the highest supplemental poverty measure in America, with 42 percent more people in poverty as a share of the population than Texas. This can’t all be chalked up to immigration either: illegal immigrants account for the same percentage of Texas’s population as they do California’s.

  137. Reminds me of when my Mom used to say “you’ve made slowness into an art form”.

    :lol: Is that kind of like my old man used to say to me? “Excuses are like assholes. Everybody’s got one. Now get your head screwed on straight.”

  138. “No, it was heartfelt.”

    Hrm. Well OK, but what’s with all the chewing out? Tough love? You say this whole thing has to do with “reality” and yet you haven’t touched on one real thing. Just scolding and prophesies and panicking over some day of reckoning that you see coming because some cool chick was lionized by an easy crowd in need of a new flavor of hero-sicle.

    I don’t know. Something tells me that the approaching influx of probable Democrats into TX may not revere the lax abortion laws up here as much as progressives do. Personally I foresee a surge of Mary statues in bathtubs on front lawns. Now if the Dems promise them the moon and they in turn are contented with what is meted out to them, then perhaps the Ds will rule the day for a long time to come. You certainly did your part to help that dream along.

    What I’m trying to say is I don’t stand with Wendy because Wendy stands for that which is too hard on the mind for me to take. She doesn’t win my heart. Muzzling the Republicans on abortion works for you, I get that. But you’re not going to get up in my face and tell me that past 20 weeks is anything short of the height of barbarism.

  139. Muffy – I won’t try to tell you anything about abortion, because – at least on that topic – you are that lethal combination of ignorance and certainty that precludes any gentlemanly discussion. I’ve tried to approach you and your buds in a nice way about it, asking for and giving respect, but for you folks it’s a religion – very much like Islam, really – the religion that I know what is right and this is right and you are wrong and I dontwanttotalkaboutit. And, like all dealings with fanaticism, it comes down to force. So be it. Force it is. You will lose and you will take the Party down with you.

    So be that, too; some things deserve to fail. For Tex, it’s the whole country. I’m not ready to give up on Mr. Jefferson’s experiment quite yet, but I am very ready – past disgusted and past ready – to jettison the ReBiblican party – that Grand Old Party that Was – right down the shitter. Fortunately, folks just like you and Tex are pushing it to the cliff as hard as you can go.

  140. “And it’s real easy to be right when you get to pick all the choices then claim victory. ”

    Except I did it ahead of time.

    “When it comes right down to it in politics, you got two choices: Fat Grannies, or me.”

    Wrong. Two choices: right or wrong, not Right or Left. Actually, most times I find very little difference between your though processes and the Nags: You differ in your POV’s but the thinking is the same: absolutely no respect for anybody.

  141. Yawn…..seen this one from Pfessor a hundred times: He’s not going to explain why the baby in the womb shouldn’t be protected because many of you who are pro life are religious.

    The reason I don’t put a bullet between you and other baby killers’ eyes is because of my faith. I arrived at my pro life stance on science and despite my slightly lower then average intellect and liberal farts education I am not afraid to go toe to toe with you in that realm. Seriously…..I’ll start with the toes. Week 12. Toe nails.

    Islam? If we were like them we would cut your fucking head off on YouTube.

  142. DR, want to stay on top with a Zimmerman report? I watched some of the examinations. The defense lawyer West’s cross is pitiful. He should skewer these throw-away witnesses yet he seems incapable of it. He can’t manage these witnesses, especially the semi-retarded “girlfriend” that was on the phone.

    The prosecution isn’t doing much better. But of course these are their witnesses so their job is easy. Still lame.

    So far? Pretty weak on both sides. For a case with such a simple set of facts, both sides sure suck at advancing their narratives.

  143. Doc speculates prior to the election that if Romney loses it will be because of abortion and reBiblicans and folks like me and Tex. Romney does indeed lose. Ergo, Doc’s conjecture about the reason for the defeat was proven to be accurate.

    Thats a neat trick.

  144. ET, I read the same thing and that the defense lawyer is so crappy there might be grounds for a future appeal.

  145. Pfesser,

    Unlike your claims at Fat Grannies you “never lose”, it’s been my observation that you’ve LOST around here more than once or twice to a number of foes. Self proclamation of victory doesn’t necessarily mean victory. Baghdad Bob, maybe.

    Once again, I am forced to not only question your memory, but your logic.

    One of your least adoring qualities is your certainty that above all others, you understand everything about everyone and all things. You don’t read quite that good or worldly…And frankly, neither was Thomas Jefferson compared to the more adored and respected man of his day, George Washington, who we know a devoutly religious man from both proclamation and writing. So was Abraham Lincoln. Obviously, the people who founded this country held Washington in the highest regard.

    But even your allegiance to Old Thomas has a gaping hole in its conclusion…endowed by their Creator. You might want to take note that Jefferson signed his name to that so we can remove all doubt about the argument this wasn’t a nation founded by believers in God. As Rush Limbaugh once said, you can’t remove God from America and it still be America. Once again, us feebly minded Rebiblicans are more in tune with Jefferson’s ideals than yours. Exactly how do you explain that? We’re not talking trivial matters, but the cornerstone of our rights.

    So here’s the gentleman’s bet. I’ll bet you that not only do Republicans in Texas do just fine in 2014, but that they gain seats contrary to your forecast of them shitting their pants.

    Can we get that in writing this time from you that you adamantly disagree so that there’s no argument about your conclusion, and I will remind you here of that numerous times leading up to the election so that we don’t have to recheck your memory?

    Oh, by the way. Rand Paul and Ron Paul are believers too. In fact, I can’t think of one atheist in Congress that carries any measure of clout. Not one. The only self-professed militant humanist in Congress was tossed out on his ass last year in San Francisco of all places, as his militancy and bigotry became an overriding issue.

    Good bye Pete Stark.

  146. Had to toke up first before I could post a comment. Took the opportunity to suck down a couple icy Dos Equis, too. Now I got my focus on. :lol:

    For a case with such a simple set of facts, both sides sure suck at advancing their narratives.

    What’s the rush? This has to bleed for weeks. Sponsors have shelled out for the long haul. This has to pay back dividends, man. Oh, did you think this was about swift justice? How quaint.

  147. Abortion again? It’s always the same hot buttons. Pavlov was a useful idiot.

    I was told when I had my only opportunity to fly a plane (twin engine cessna) to pick a place way off in the horizon and aim for it. Of course, at fifteen that started out fine, but everything was so interesting to the left and to the right and straight ahead was BORING. What fun is that? I’m flying a F**KIN plane, for Pete’s sake. Soon I was told to turn control back over to the real pilot because the novelty lasted a short while and I was making the rest of them sick.

    Diversions pop up everywhere. Focus, focus, focus.

  148. Wrong. Two choices: right or wrong, not Right or Left. Actually, most times I find very little difference between your though processes and the Nags: You differ in your POV’s but the thinking is the same: absolutely no respect for anybody.

    :smile: Even as ‘churlish’ as I can be, I doubt there is one person in this room that at one time or another, hasn’t been shown a measure of respect by me. Even Poolman on occasion. Even you have been shown respect on many an occasion, Pfesser. I much admire your professional accomplishment and have stated that here more than once. That is respect, is it not?

    I can assure you there are several people I respect, my wife first of all. Believe I have stated that more than once.

    But you’re right about this much. I don’t respect or admire the action of taking down a future niece or nephew to be terminated, then congratulating one’s self for his actions. Even worse than that, there appears to be no introspection of the action after years passed.

    And you want to scold me for my lack of respect? That’s parody, isn’t it?

  149. “Oh, by the way. Rand Paul and Ron Paul are believers too.”

    Yep, and I respect their beliefs, because they don’t wear it on their sleeves and it does not inform their performance as legislators. That’s the difference between how atheists and folks with normal religious beliefs think, versus religious zealots.

    ***********

    “But even your allegiance to Old Thomas has a gaping hole in its conclusion…endowed by their Creator.”

    Been discussed a dozen times, as has Jefferson’s personal religious beliefs. Want to get into a Jefferson quoting war? Here’s one for you:

    “Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.”

    Couldn’t have said it better myself. Oh, wait a minute – I didn’t.

    LOL. Next topic.

    ***********

    “Doc speculates prior to the election that if Romney loses it will be because of abortion and reBiblicans and folks like me and Tex. Romney does indeed lose. Ergo, Doc’s conjecture about the reason for the defeat was proven to be accurate.”

    No, it didn’t go anything like that. Since I read the news – all the news, not just Fox – and follow polls, not just right-winger polls, I could see the issues the Left was using to skewer Romney, and that they were effective. Then the ReBiblican asshole nominee, Akin, made his famous proclamation that rape didn’t produce pregnancy, and pissed off the five remaining women in America who had planned to vote Republican. It didn’t take much to realize that the election was over; you just had to take your blinders off.

    Now, thanks to your zealot one-issue Boys in Texas, Wendy Whatchamacallit is a folk hero. Come next election,the Left will hoist her up on their shoulders as the little-girl conquerer who faced down those mean old white men bent on putting their nasty hands down women’s pants and taking away their hard-fought freedoms. All it takes to foresee that, too, is pulling off the blinders. Stay tuned; you’ll see what happens.

  150. Just ran across an article on demographics. It says that the demographics in American have changed to the extent that, in all foreseeable future elections, whatever candidate is supported by college-educated women, will win. Once you know who they support, all other voters had might as well stay home.

    And they are the demographic that is most interested in maintaining the availability of legal abortions.

    Tex wanted my prediction in writing…OK, here it is: Come next election, the Democrats in Texas will go through the Texas State Assembly like a dose of salts. # of seats gained? I have no idea, but it will be substantial.

  151. So, PF’ll love this:

    AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Gov. Rick Perry is calling for the Texas Legislature to meet in a second special session to pass restrictions on abortion.
    The first such effort died following a filibuster and rollicking late Tuesday night protest.
    The announcement gives Republicans another crack at passing sweeping anti-abortion rules that would close nearly all clinics performing the procedure in the country’s second-largest state.
    It passed the House, but died after Democratic Sen. Wendy Davis led a more than 12-hour filibuster effort. Hundreds of protesters then cheered, disrupting Senate proceedings as the session closed at midnight.
    Perry can call as many 30-day extra sessions as he likes, but lawmakers can only take up those issues he assigns.

    I think the Gosnell trial demonstrates that we most certainly need to have better oversight and regulation on abortion clinics. The popular swing in the very polls that PF loves is pro-life. And that includes young women, so the argument that increased regulations on abortion are a killer for the GOP is ridiculous—and I say this as someone who thinks that we should not promote social conservatism as a primary component of our campaigns. There are plenty of economic issues that we can run and win on that will allow us to deal with social issues later.

  152. I hope Perry does not push this. He might as well mount the Party on the pyre and set flame to it. The Left is licking its chops at the prospect.

    I’ll make you another bet: if he revisits this in special session, the crowd at the last session will look like a Sunday-school picnic. There will be thousands, if not tens of thousands, at the Assembly.

    I could be wrong; let’s see.

  153. I agree with gorrilla, the Gosnell case is not unique.Ten or so years ago, a pro- life organization featured a young woman who had survived an abortion. Abortion facilities need better inspections and standards than many have now.

    Unfortunately many of the pro-choice demonstrators have converted to an emotional mob who enjoy media support. That combination is hard to beat in the short run.

  154. Trust me, there’s a mob on both sides of the abortion issue. There is no political solution, and it will not be resolved by voters or any amount of political posturing.

    We just don’t learn, and they keep using the same tired tactics against us. They still work with guaranteed result.

  155. Damn Poolman, you must have a great dealer. Whatever you were smoking when you typed 196 must be high-grade. That makes no sense at all.

  156. Hey, the Dems claim that the IRS went after liberal groups too is a total fucking lie. Who’d have thunk it?

    Doesn’t bother you a bit, does it R?

  157. Greatest of dealers, above all the laws of man and nature. I thought it was a lawyer’s job to make sense of it all. No? You believe this trial isn’t just a show? Actually, I haven’t kept up with it, but I expect it more of the “If the gloves don’t fit, you must acquit” type of display.

    If you want to clear the water, call a poolman. If you want to make it murky, hire a lawyer. :razz:

  158. Curious R, how should we—collectively—react to this line of thinking?

    “So it was racial, but it was because Trayvon Martin put race in this,” West pressed. “You don’t think that’s a racial comment?”
    Jeantel replied simply, “No.”
    West repeated the question, receiving the same answer. He then went on to press her on why she didn’t include that description in the letter to Martin’s mother. After a few minutes of back-and-forth, West contended she didn’t tell Martin’s because she knew the remark was “offensive.” Jeantel said it was being “respectful.”
    “You don’t think calling someone a creepy-ass cracker is offensive?” West asked.
    “No,” Jeantel replied.

  159. A teenage friend of Trayvon Martin was forced to admit today in the George Zimmerman murder trial that she did not write a letter that was sent to Martin’s mother describing what she allegedly heard on a phone call with Martin moments before he was shot.

    In a painfully embarassing moment, Rachel Jeantel was asked to read the letter out loud in court.

    “Are you able to read that at all?” defense attorney Don West asked.

    Jeantel, head bowed, eyes averted whispered into the court microphone, “Some but not all. I don’t read cursive.”

    It sent a hush through the packed courtroom.

    Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.

    Jeantel, 19, was unable to read any of the letter save for her name.

    The testimony was an attempt to raise questions about veracity of Jeantel’s testimony, who is a key prosecution witness in the racially charged case.

    Zimmerman, 29, is on trial in the Florida courtroom for second degree murder in Martin’s Feb. 26, 2012 death.

    Jeantel was subdued on the stand today, in contrast to her openly hostile demeanor towards Zimmerman’s lawyers on Wednesday. Her behavior was so different that defense lawyer Don West asked Jeantel whether someone had spoken to her about her behavior on the stand.

  160. Jeantel, head bowed, eyes averted whispered into the court microphone, “Some but not all. I don’t read cursive.”

    It sent a hush through the packed courtroom.

    Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.

    Jeantel, 19, was unable to read any of the letter save for her name.

    :lol: Ignorant, lying, hostile, and illiterate. Seems to be a common theme amongst the sistahood.

  161. “Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.”

    Ewwww. That sounds too good to be true.

    And it isn’t.

    When you got the PuffHO having to correct you, your credibility has finally reached Lori level. Got any other famous Jefferson quotes, shootist?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/atheists-billboard-thomas-jefferson_n_1035168.html

    Internet jargon made up by some Christian bigot and militant atheist that other idiot atheists copy as atheistic gospel. Kind of like those “fact checkers” libs love to throw around?

    Now you’re down to sharing material for support with Cynthia and Aunt Liki Liki. Ponder that for a moment, Jefferson Jr..

  162. Ignorant, am I?

    “Oh, by the way. Rand Paul and Ron Paul are believers too.” –Tex

    ”Yep, and I respect their beliefs, because they don’t wear it on their sleeves and it does not inform their performance as legislators.” -Doc

    Ron Paul’s Expressions of Faith:

    In his statement of faith, Ron Paul writes, “My faith is a deeply private issue to me, and I don’t speak on it in great detail during my speeches because I want to avoid any appearance of exploiting it for political gain. Let me be very clear here: I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.”

    And oh yes, it gets better.

    Speaking about the First Amendment, Ron Paul says, “Similarly, the mythical separation of church and state doctrine has no historical or constitutional basis. Neither the language of the Constitution itself nor the legislative history reveals any mention of such separation. In fact, the authors of the First amendment … routinely referred to “Almighty God” in their writings, including the Declaration of Independence. It is only in the last 50 years that federal courts have perverted the meaning of the amendment and sought to unlawfully restrict religious expression.”

    Doc, I triple dog dare you to read this you portentous old gasbag. You were going to vote for the man you should know something about him, don’tchya think? Well, read on then –

    http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm

    Tex and me together don’t come nearly as close to thinking (if you can call it that) and sounding like the NAGS as you do. You shot your big mouth off to lori over there and now you’re feeling vexed about your PREDICTION that Texas will never turn blue. You remember, that was your prediction before this last prediction.

    You’re all wet Doc, and grasping for the familiar scapegoat that you admit you didn’t see coming. So much for your powers of foresight.

    Your intolerance is becoming legendary.

  163. - God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.”

    – “My views…are the result of a lifetime of inquiry and reflection, and very different from the anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruption’s
    of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others…”

    – “The reason that Christianity is the best friend of Government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart.

    – “I hold the precepts of Jesus as delivered by Himself, to be the most pure, benevolent and sublime which have ever been preached to man…

    – “Of all systems of morality, ancient of modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to be so pure as that of Jesus.” Thomas Jefferson, To William Canby

    ———–

    Maybe there were two Thomas Jeffersons in Virginia? There was the Signer of the Declaration of Independence:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    And according to the “internet” as source:

    This has been called “one of the best-known sentences in the English language” containing “the most potent and consequential words in American history.” The passage came to represent a moral standard to which the United States should strive. This view was notably promoted by Abraham Lincoln, who considered the Declaration to be the foundation of his political philosophy, and argued that the Declaration is a statement of principles through which the United States Constitution should be interpreted. It has inspired work for the rights of marginalized people throughout the world. It provided inspiration to numerous national declarations of independence throughout the world.

    Then there was Dr. Tommie Kevorkian Jefferson who penned the immortal words:

    Texas just shit it pants…Gawd Damn Rebiblicans.

  164. “Got any other famous Jefferson quotes, shootist?

    Sure, it’s not that hard to find them:

    Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.

    But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
    -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
    -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802

    Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
    -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

    Priests…dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.
    -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820

    History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
    -Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

    Don’t know that those are perfectly accurate, but they show his attitude toward superstition well enough, I believe.

    **************

    I’ve read much of Jefferson, and many biographies of him. His personal approach to religion was just that, personal, and he revealed little of his true feelings on the matter. I don’t think he was an atheist, but he was certainly not a believer in a Hairy Thunderer who looks like Barry Gibb.

    “Priests dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight.” You just can’t get any better than that. And it’s still that way, only the pace has quickened. As science advances, your superstition must retreat. And it is. A delight to watch, yes it is…

  165. I looked at your link to HuffPo, Tex. The picture license has expired, but the phrase referenced in the text is,

    ‘The billboard includes a picture of Jefferson with the quote: “I do not find in Christianity one redeeming feature. It is founded on fables and mythology.”‘

    True maybe, but I don’t remember referencing that quote, did I? I think my reference was,

    “Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.”

    Soooooo…..either I missed it, or you made a mistake, or you perhaps thought I wouldn’t check and did it on purpose.

    I certainly may have made a mistake. Which is it? Am I going to have to get out your “Fib Clock” again?

    **************

    re: Paul. His beliefs are his own. As long as he does not wear them on his sleeve or use them as a basis for his decision-making, other than they promote the same morally-appropriate behavior that Everybody believes in, that’s fine.

    That’s the difference between a normal person and a zealot, Tex. They don’t demand litmus tests for office, or rigid adherence to a dogma; they understand that people are complex and have different beliefs, and that is not a basis for rejecting them as leaders if they think and act logically in office.

    I believe Paul does that. When he or his son gives me reason to think he has become a zealot, I’ll look elsewhere.

  166. History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.

    Jefferson was Protestant. :lol: Why don’t you throw Martin Luther in as atheist too?

    The point is Shootist, everyone of those quotes popular quotes all you zealots spread, you have no written proof whatsoever. Zero, zilch, nada. Complete hearsay. How many of you “zealots” have gone public with supposed historical proof of founding fathers atheistic/agnostic dogma only to be shot down as lies and bullshit?

    We have no idea if any of these Jefferson quotes are true, bibliography or not. I want to see the proof in Jefferson’s own handwriting of his supposed scalding of Christianity. They’re not even sure of the proof of this so called “Jefferson Bible.”

    We know what Washington wrote. We know what Lincoln wrote. I want to see these supposed Jefferson letters demonizing Christianity. Until then, I say you’re full of crap. Period. You can read bibliographies until the day you drop dead, but without underlying documented proof, you’re blowing smoke and making it up as you go. That’s not evidence; that’s wishful thinking ala Rachel Jeantel and Trayvon™.

    The Danbury Letter shows absolutely no proof of your claims, and in fact is most respectful to the church leaders who were concerned with government meddling of the church and the history of King George.

    What is it you don’t understand about our Declaration? It couldn’t be more clear what Jefferson thought as he penned the draft, and they all signed their name to it.

    ——-

    That’s the difference between a normal person and a zealot, Tex. They don’t demand litmus tests for office, or rigid adherence to a dogma; they understand that people are complex and have different beliefs, and that is not a basis for rejecting them as leaders if they think and act logically in office.

    And what do you think you’re doing, Doc? You’re the refracted mirror image 60ft tall of those you so loudly condemn as zealots. Good grief. I’ve never corresponded with a more militant atheist than you in love with his own dogma. You blatant, fucking, duplicitous hypocrite. :lol:

    When you’ve pulled that mote from your eye and cough up the camel, get back with me and I’ll get my cohorts to work on our splinters and choking on the gnats.

  167. I did. You get good weed.

    lol. Typical lawyer. Only the best. Life is too short to use cheap tools, consume cheap beer, and smoke dirt weed. Priorities, yanno. :smile:

  168. ON to a more important point than Dominions and Thomas Jefferson singing “All is Well with my Soul” while porking the slaves, Rutherford you might want to pass this on to your lib buddies who are trying to minimize the IRS damage. Nyet…

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/breaking-audit-confirms-irs-targeted-292-conservative-groups-just-6-liberal-groups/

    Why, why, why it looks like the IRS was appointed Brownshirts for their uniforms after all. :wink:

  169. Bob: “Did you hear about the Obama administration scandal?”
    Jim: “You mean the Mexican gun running?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “You mean SEAL Team 6 Extortion 17?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “You mean the State Dept. lying about Benghazi?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “You mean the voter fraud?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “You mean the military not getting their votes counted?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “You mean the president demoralizing and breaking down the military?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “You mean the Boston Bombing?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “You mean the president wanting to kill Americans with drones in our own country without the benefit of the law?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “You mean the president arming the Muslim Brotherhood?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The IRS targeting conservatives?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The DOJ spying on the press?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “Sebelius shaking down health insurance executives?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The NSA monitoring our phone calls, e-mails and everything else?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The president’s ordering the release of nearly 10,000 illegal immigrants from jails and prisons and falsely blaming the sequester?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The president’s threat to impose gun control by Executive Order in order to bypass Congress?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The president’s repeated violation of the law requiring him to submit a budget no later than the first Monday in February?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The president’s unconstitutional recess appointments in an attempt to circumvent the Senate’s advise-and-consent role?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “The State Department interfering with an Inspector General investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “HHS employees being given insider information on Medicare Advantage?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “Clinton, the IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”
    Jim: “I give up! … Oh wait, I think I got it! You mean that 65 million low-information voters stuck us again with the most corrupt administration in American history?”
    Bob: “THAT’S THE ONE!”

  170. :lol: Awesome list, Jim Bob. You didn’t bring up, “The president’s pardoning the last bunch of crooks that occupied the space.”

  171. ” Life is too short to use cheap tools, consume cheap beer, and smoke dirt weed”

    I agree.

  172. Dos Equis…..good beer? Your weed was probably shoved up a Mexicali burrow’s anus too.

  173. ”re: Paul. His beliefs are his own. As long as he does not wear them on his sleeve or use them as a basis for his decision-making, other than they promote the same morally-appropriate behavior that Everybody believes in, that’s fine.” -Doc

    In his 2008 campaign for president, Paul released a letter that gave the statement previously linked to in #220 in which he laid out his religious beliefs for all to see. It began:

    ”We live in times of great uncertainty when men of faith must stand up for our values and our traditions lest they be washed away in a sea of fear and relativism.”

    As to your additional criteria for religious zealotry – it has evolved somewhat from “does not inform their performance as legislators” in #201 to “[does not] use [one’s beliefs] as a basis for his decisions” in #224. In any case, I propose that Dr. Paul’s beliefs arguably both “inform [his] performance as legislator” (that’s a bit of an awkward sentence but be that as it may) AND are “used by [Dr. Paul] as a basis for his decisions.”

    RON PAUL: I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.

    I have worked tirelessly to defend and restore those rights for all Americans, born and unborn alike. The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideal of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.

    In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman. In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, H.R. 1094. I am also the prime sponsor of H.R. 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn. I have also authored H.R. 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called “population control.” Many talk about being pro-life. I have taken and will continue to advocate direct action to restore protection for the unborn.

    Alrighty then.

  174. Abortion news: This is cheap and easy base voter red meat bullshit. Whether you’re looking at Texas or the US House the reality doesn’t gel with the spin. In both cases the 20 week mark really only flirts with current medical science. It also only would hit 1.-1.5 % of the abortions that occur in America/year. The reality is the overwhelming majority of abortions occur before 20 weeks.
    Voting Rights Act. Good riddance to you!
    Gay marriage:Kennedy proves himself a tool and Scalia is again misrepresented by the media darlings. I like Chrisites point that democrats are willing to put the minimum wage on the ballot (another distraction division thing btw) but are loathe to afford the People that right regards gay marriage. Justice shit bag Kennedy feels the same way too.
    Immigration reform.it isn’t and I side with Rand Paul and others who envision this will only cause money to be misspent and have another x millions look to America via illegal entry.
    Snowden There is a line between doing a good thing and being a wad…Snowden has crossed that line.
    And some things not mentioned….. Syria still something to care about,perhaps why we’re seeing the domestic distraction news cycle. The rest of the world (Syria,Brazil,Greece,Egypt etc…) are using social media to forge a revolution,,yet again Americans gossip about Kardashian whores demon spawn baby names. USN has four deployable aircraft carriers in service,just sayin’.

  175. “Snowden There is a line between doing a good thing and being a wad…Snowden has crossed that line.”

    Yeah…big time

  176. I can’t bare but skim….but this Paula Dean lady (I had never heard of her before)…..she said the N word 20 years ago? Did I read that correctly?

    LOL…Holy Shit…is this some kind of weird show trial? Why is she out there sobbing, allowing herself to be crucified? For an offensive comment 20 years ago?

    God help us all if our anonymity is ever breached here.

    Rutherford……maybe you should shut this whole motherfucker down (I know…..there is no way…this stuff lasts an eternity). But…you were calling people “cracker” two days ago!

    No wonder you can’t find a better job. They are probably google searching your real name and coming here!

    I need to extinguish my online presence. Try to start over again more stealthy.

    Society sucks.

  177. Or we could bare all and tell them to fuck themselves. Stealth? In this day and age? Pipe dream. You’re a dead rabbit.

  178. If I had the skills to put swimming pools in I probably would.

    As of right now, I need to walk a tight rope just to feed my kids. My trade is roofing. You have no idea how much I hate roofing. I don’t want to go back.

    There are plenty of precautions one can take to remain anonymous. Just ask….Anonymous.

  179. There are other things bothering me about the information revolution. I don’t read books anymore. Lately, I can’t even read articles. Just Headlines. Distractions. Angry Birds.

    I force myself to browse a paper copy of the Economist and it feels like I’m at the dentist.

    If someone in 1986 told me I would have access to all the world’s information and knowledge at my finger tips for free, I would have thought for sure I would use this epic opportunity to better my self……To become an expert or extremely knowledgeable in at least 5 or 6 varying areas that interest me.

    But I don’t do that. I have external hard drives packed with the classics, how to pdf’s, class lectures, music, cooking. For what? To be a curator and not even a very organized one?

    Holding one grain of sand from every desert on earth amounts to nothing. That’s the Internet for me.

  180. Rabbit, I’ve decided roofing may be the most arduous job in the world. After simply sanding a teak bench today in a heat index of 110, I was wiped. I was sweating so badly, I had to keep sanding the bench because sweat spots and stain don’t mix. I finally gave up.

    And I was standing on flat ground, orbital sander in hand, with a bench that probably weighs less than a bundle of shingles.

    How these Mexicans sit on those pitched roofs all day in the heat in blue jeans of all things while nailing is beyond me.

    I could not do that anymore. No way. I wouldn’t even make the attempt. If I didn’t fall off the roof, I’d be dead of heat stroke within two hours.

  181. Seemingly random response but I can only do hit or miss comment responses right now.

    Huck I’ve noticed you trying to make an equivalency between the N word and “cracker” and “Uncle Thomas”. I would argue that the N word is a demeaning word used to describe blacks without respect to their actions. To the bigot, every black is a N. On the contrary, a cracker in common current parlance describes a white bigot — i.e. it describes a behavior. From our favorite research source Wikipedia ( :-) ) we see that one of the origins of “cracker” comes from the crack of the whip used by the white slave holder. Interestingly one of the earliest usages is from upper class whites in the North describing poor settlers in the South (THAT usage is not behavior-centric and fits your equivalency a bit better).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_%28pejorative%29

    As for “Uncle Thomas” again .. the equivalency is not there. Calling someone an Uncle Tom describes a behavior. You have to DO something (or be perceived as having done something) to qualify as an Uncle Tom. All a black has to do is breathe to be called a N.

    So I think your equivalency fails on both counts.

    With all that said, companies have to weigh how much an employee’s current or past behavior might reflect on their brand and Food Network is obviously playing it safe.

  182. “So I think your equivalency fails on both counts.”

    Of course you do. That way you can still use them to label others.

  183. Syria still something to care about,perhaps why we’re seeing the domestic distraction news cycle.

    You think? Damn straight. We’re being played.

  184. “Your weed was probably shoved up a Mexicali burrow’s anus too.”

    Probably not. Out here in the West, we have friggen scientists growing some of the best weed on the planet to sell to medical marijuana dispensaries. Community colleges and universities are setting up new horticulture programs and hydroponic shops advertise on the radio.

    The stuff here today would blow away that Humboldt County stuff you had in the ’80s. As good as that is…this “medical” stuff is better.

  185. Oooooh…shallow Hal looked up the history of the word “cracker” and tried to use it’s less profane origins to dismiss the current innuendo.

    So smart, man.

    Nigger is anglicized Porteguese for black and for a while white Canadian fur trappers refered to themselves as niggurs.

    Oooooh. I’m deep too now. I mean “mountain man” when I say nigger because evoking the it in a historical senzzzz…..zzzzzzzz……zzzzz.

    Oh shit.l..I fell a sleep.

    Q: Why did the black man wear a tuxedo to his vasectomy?
    A: He said: “If I’ze gonna be im-po-tent, I wanna looks im-po-tant.”

    Heyoooooooo!

    Oh my God, I am so sorry for that joke. I beg for your forgiveness America. Beg. Please. I know I’m horrible. It can never be forgiven. I should choke out dogs or Ray Lewis someone in an alley. Even terrorist bombs. That can be overcome with tenure. But not my joke. It’s too much evil. It shouldn’t be forgiven, comrades.

    Nicholas Salmanovitch Rubashov

  186. Michigan is drenched in medical. It’s every where.

    I’d say Humboldt of the early 90s (I’m not that old) could still hang.

    But Arizona? I bet it’s still alot Mexican blood shwag.

  187. “Even terrorist bombs.”

    C’mon DR. It’s not like any of the Weather Underground victims would look like Obama’s son if he had one.

  188. I miss toking up. But I did piss test for a new job last week and it was nice not having to worry about the results.

  189. I toke, but I don’t inhale. I blow the smoke directly onto my psorisis sores and my neighbor’s pitbull’s neck tumor, both for magical healing.

  190. I’ll have to try the white widow. Looks tasty. How come so many recorded medical users in MI and no dispensaries? Legal issues?

  191. Of course you do. That way you can still use them to label others.

    Well if we’re really gonna get down to what we learned in Kindergarten, name-calling ain’t nice whether it’s N, cracker or Uncle Tom. If that is where you are coming from, I can hardly argue with you.

  192. Busy right now; had to put a clutch in my Toyota, hydrostatic drive in my mower went out; studying for my Commercial, but I’ll entertain you and myself as I get time.

    “Jefferson was Protestant. Why don’t you throw Martin Luther in as atheist too?”
    Nobody knows exactly Jefferson’s religion. He wanted it that way. Neither I nor anybody else that I know thinks he was atheist.

    The point is Shootist,
    Ah, the name-calling begins. Want me to haul out “Ko-Tex Piss Ant” again?

    -“everyone of those quotes popular quotes all you zealots spread, you have no written proof whatsoever. Zero, zilch, nada. Complete hearsay.”
    Other than the printed word you can find in every library in the realm, scattered throughout the Internets and on the Jefferson Official Website, you’re right – none whatsoever. That’s a joke, right? You OK, there, Tex?

    “How many of you “zealots” have gone public with supposed historical proof of founding fathers atheistic/agnostic dogma only to be shot down as lies and bullshit?”
    I would calculate it at……..let’s see…..approximately zero. OK, I’ll be generous: 0.0000000001% There. Feel better?

    “We have no idea if any of these Jefferson quotes are true, bibliography or not. I want to see the proof in Jefferson’s own handwriting of his supposed scalding of Christianity.”
    What HAVE you been smoking, son? …in his own handwriting??? Is that your standard for everybody, or just people who say things you don’t want to hear?

    “They’re not even sure of the proof of this so called “Jefferson Bible.”
    Yes they are.

    “We know what Washington wrote. We know what Lincoln wrote.” (but we don’t know what Jefferson wrote? Riiiiiiiiiiiight…………..)

    “I want to see these supposed Jefferson letters demonizing Christianity.”
    No, you can’t see them. Your gaze might foul their pristine loveliness.

    “Until then, I say you’re full of crap. Period. You can read bibliographies until the day you drop dead, but without underlying documented proof, you’re blowing smoke and making it up as you go.”
    I gotta tell you, Tex; your arguments are pretty loose most of the time, but you’ve really outdone yourself here. You don’t believe any of it unless you see Jefferson’s own handwriting?

    “The Danbury Letter shows absolutely no proof of your claims, and in fact is most respectful to the church leaders who were concerned with government meddling of the church and the history of King George.”
    A very erudite analysis; I am quitefamiliar with the Letter myself. It is very respectful, but that doesn’t change what it SAYS, though, does it?

    “What is it you don’t understand about our Declaration? It couldn’t be more clear what Jefferson thought as he penned the draft, and they all signed their name to it.”
    We’ve been through THIS a dozen times, also. The Declaration is a document listing the reasons for separation from Britain, and as such it calls on a number of emotional arguments and appeals to higher authority – call it poetic license, if it makes you feel better. The Constitution, on the other hand is the framework for our government; it contains no such references, except to guarantee folks the right to worship whatever superstition they please, as long as it stayed out of their governance.

  193. he’s not experienced in world affairs, never traveled much, obviously not that valuable in corporate America

    I missed this gem … of course I’m missing a lot of gems in this thread — you boys and girl are outdoing yourselves.

    So DR, let me understand — screwing whores in Iceland while “serving your country” makes you worldly? A real expert on world affairs are you?

    Another thing … NO ONE is valuable in corporate America other than the guys running it and sh*t even the dude who says on TV “You’re gonna like the way you look, I guarantee it” got fired from his own damn company.

    There is not much reason why I should like you Rabbit after some of the crap you’ve tossed my way over the years and yet for some reason I still do. I’m sorry the blog disappoints you so much. I am, admittedly a man of limited abilities and capacity. I cannot hold down a real 9 hour a day job and contribute here as much as I’d like. I can’t even write posts as often as before, nor as well thought out. It’s just the way it is.

    Detest me all you want… it’s a waste of your emotion.

    P.S. Even though it was during my childhood, I’ve traveled more than 95% of Americans have. And I’m not talking Disney World.

  194. This Deen thing is a travesty. I liked Martha Stewart’s very carefully crafted statement about it. She may be a jailbird, but she learned her lesson very, very well about being on display 24/7. Nothing she says now is unguarded or not well-considered beforehand.

    DR – re roofing. I’ve done a bit of it, including nailing steel sheeting on a 24′ X 60′ barn I built back in the ‘nineties. Being a roofer is probably the worst job on the planet, (except maybe working for the water company in the winter). You are roasted from both sides: direct sun on the back of your head and sun on your face reflected up from the roofing material. I don’t know which is worse, shiny stuff like galvanized steel or dark stuff like roll roofing. And where the weather is bad, you have to go like hell, in case a rain would blow up.

    One damned thing is for sure: when we we putting on the steel sheets, I made my kids stay in the house. I could just visualize a sheet of that stuff getting away, sliding off and decapitating someone on the ground.

  195. Thomas Jefferson was an Anglican, Pfesser. That’s a Protestant for you know nothings of Christianity. Whether he adhered to his raising in adulthood, no one knows as like so many, when he lost his wife, he blamed his God apparently. But that’s entirely the opposite of saying “There is no God” like you.

    Here’s what we do know for a fact:

    Jefferson didn’t put the word Creator in the Declaration for Grins. That’s a major hole in your conclusion about his so called lack of religion that you can’t answer. Deist, Theist, Catholic, Protestant, Jeffersonian Bible matters not. Jefferson wasn’t like you, obviously didn’t rationalize the universe like you, saw the big picture much different than you, and beyond a shadow of a doubt, believed the universe created. That would make him your adversary in belief, not proof of the validity you claim.

    Moreso, we know for a fact that Jefferson not only granted permissions to the Congressional Building to house Sunday Worship which was the largest congregation in the nation, but provided the military band to accompany the services on the dole and was many times in attendance. Once again, Jefferson and you don’t match. Congress always opened with a prayer and it was to the God called Elohim. There again, Jefferson apparently didn’t hold your disapproval. That’s the Christian God by the way.

    I need to see your proof – and you’re not providing it quoting hogwash from the internet from your Dominionist brethen. If you wish, I can gladly make up some quotes and facts applied to anyone of your choice, and pass them off as gospel. It’s real easy to do.

    Call me as you wish, Mr. Pfesser. Frankly, I find your stretching for insults weak as any flunky could make up Ko Tex, and I will guarantee you mine directed back to you will be funnier and more clever. :smile: Entirely up to you. But your claims of “never miss” and “never lose” deserved to be mocked.

  196. “Well if we’re really gonna get down to what we learned in Kindergarten, name-calling ain’t nice whether it’s N, cracker or Uncle Tom. If that is where you are coming from, I can hardly argue with you.”

    Well, since you’re looking to worthless etymological distinctions to do exactly what Huck says you’re doing, how’s the term “porch monkey” work for you?

  197. A very erudite analysis; I am quitefamiliar with the Letter myself. It is very respectful, but that doesn’t change what it SAYS, though, does it?

    Good. I would hope a man of you ability would be able to read clearly there is absolutely no hostility toward organized religion in any capacity in the letter since it consists of all of three paragraphs. And it clearly gives assurances that there will be no government coercion towards any church, as men are allowed to worship freely as their wish. Is that in conflict with church “demands” at present?

    I would also hope you could follow that up and reread the 1st Amendment, recognizing your state sponsored religion of ‘Freedom from Religion’ is exactly what our Founders feared, after experiencing the state sponsored Church of England and King George telling people exactly how they would worship; it’s one small step to twist that into telling people there will be no public worship and I’m afraid Pfesser there is no dispute your brethren of the atheistic “faith” have a really bad record of not only doing that, but killing millions in less than 50 years of tyranny.

    If there is one thing I accomplish with both you and Rutherford here before I leave, it would be to both alleviate your fears and convince you both that the thought of a theocracy is an anathema to pure Christianity – diametrically opposed to the wishes of Jesus Christ.

    However, to fully fathom that intent you would also have to recognize that Christ gave Christians the ‘Great Commission’ as instruction, and to be forced to privatize our faith would be mutually exclusive with your demands to keep it in our house.

  198. So word is the prosecution in the Zimmerman case called a witness who testified that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman, punching him in the face “Mixed Martial Arts style,” and that the calls for help he heard must have come from the person on the bottom.

  199. “f there is one thing I accomplish with both you and Rutherford here before I leave, it would be to both alleviate your fears and convince you both that the thought of a theocracy is an anathema to pure Christianity – diametrically opposed to the wishes of Jesus Christ.”

    You’re wasting your breath. I won’t believe in Jesus Christ until I see his words in his own handwriting.

    Actually, the Lady doth protest too much. Rutherford and I, I believe, have about the same thoughts about superstition, er, religion: it’s an interesting fantasy and oftentimes amusing, but not to be taken seriously. It offers a deep insight into the inner workings of the human mind, but is otherwise of no use and little interest.

    That is, until its followers engage in their natural proclivity: forcing it on others. Then it’s not funny any more. At that point you will find me – and others – right in your face. Every time. Get used to it.

    Indulge yourself at your own leisure, enjoy your fantasies and we’ll get along just fine. Believe whatever you want. Just don’t try to pawn it off as real or force it on others. As long as this Republic stands, you will never have a State religion or a religious State; thanks to Mssr. Jefferson and those who follow him (me – and millions of others), that’s the end of it. And we’re always watching…

    Off to fix my mower. Cheers.

  200. crap…..steel sheeting would be worse. Never did that outside of a few odd roof valley things. I can’t imagine what that reflection would do.

    A barn would be nuts. I take it you guys tied on?

    We never tied on. Only perched on brackets. Although, to be honest, we probably only did steep shit once a week. Majority of our jobs were easy little ranches. Even that shit wears you down after a half decade or so.

    Tex mentioned the long pants. I used to be a shorts guy until I burned my leg so damn bad, the ensuing infection rendered me unable to walk for two weeks. (I got drunk and slid on it during an epic softball game against our rivals).

    I have been roof free for two years. More then the heat or my knees I started to lose my confidence up there. It’s harder when you don’t do it everyday. So, I started mowing a few big lawns as supplemental income when I’m off for the summer. I get paid in bullion at the end of the year. I love yard work. I bag and recycle it for the garden. Edge. Weed whip. I throw down my secret Milorganite…crack cocaine for lawns. Makes my “customers” addicted to the Rabbit.

    Roofing was the perfect job for me for all my 20’s very early 30’s.. Unlike Mexicans we didn’t work past 2. So….I could go to school. Back in the 90’s early 2000’s they would pay any decent laborer on the roof 20 bucks cash. Now you make 10 bucks if you are lucky. With the G.I. Bill and my pay…..I could go to college and be an independent grown man at the same time.

    Man…have I seen some shit roofing Detroit, though.

    I’ve been in a full blown fist fight on a 12 pitch roof. It’s got to be the only profession where physical combat doesn’t necessarily mean you are fired! Not many people can make that claim.

    Worst punch I ever took was from my own brother. It was hot as all hell, the roof was sticking during the tear off. I was on the drive way with a push broom bitching at my brother for throwing extra ridge all over the place. Lost myself in my work for about 5 seconds and was completely sucker punched by him. Didn’t even know he was off the roof.

    We also once hit the mother of all hornets’ nests on a bracket job deep in the ghetto. To this day I have no idea how we all got off that roof without a ladder in 6 seconds.

    Another time a black female Detroit cop pulled into the drive way. My fellow workers (one of the only timse I worked a job with black guys) took off running, jumping fences like gazelles. Poor police lady. She was holding bags of Burger King for us. It was her house. I had to have her put the ladder back up for me so I could come down and eat.

  201. “Just don’t try to pawn it off as real” -Pfessor

    Huh? You telling people what they can say, chairman?

  202. Thanks Muffy and anyone else. Our daughter says Baby is seeing doctors more often than cancer patients. Her next time is Wednesday. We have been doing some good. Our duaghter asked ” could you move in?”

    I was repairing a sheet metal roof as a thunderstorm approached.. I thought I had a few minutes more of work time. Chain lightining jumped above, and I got a shock. I have a lot of respect for people who work on roofs.

  203. @#269 – Oh I see. What we got us here is a crusader.

    I admire how the Doc trims away the pesky first few lines of his dubious Jefferson quote. Some atheist propagandists go so far as to replace them with something altogether different that fits their judicious interpretation a little tighter.

  204. ”I miss toking up. But I did piss test for a new job last week and it was nice not having to worry about the results.”

    I like this, Huck.

    Besides, weed makes you stupid. As in dull. All dulled up. Hello Dully. They put that cancer in Bob Marley’s shoe.

    Abortion again? Can we just stick with the thread topic for once? (wait for it……..there it is).

  205. One block over from the parade route to Union Park again today. Two seconds away from getting stuck on the other side of Washington earlier. Cop let me pull a U-ey right in the crosswalk. Whew.

  206. @#269 – Oh I see. What we got us here is a crusader.
    :razz: Have you ever met a Christian more of a zealot in his or her faith than Pfesser is in his? I don’t know why Pfesser hates Jerry Falwell so. I could change a few words of Pfessers quotes and he’d read just like Jerry.

    ———-

    For instance:

    “The ACLU is to Christians what the American Nazi party is to Jews.” ~ Jerry Falwell

    “The Rebiblicans are to America what the Gestapo was to the Jews.” ~ Pfesser

    ————

    Those are both facts. Or at least the internet tells me they, so they must be gospel.

    I knew Pfesser was a little off the wank when he forwarded me to ‘The Dominionists’ up in Alaska. :twisted:

    Poolman’s Simpson references were far more sane.

  207. Pfesser,

    I’ll give you some help to feed that malignant narcissism of yours and help you out in a debate. You don’t deserve it, but I’ll take pity as a sometimes friend since in generally I think you’re a pretty accomplished though woefully unprepared man…

    I always know I got you when you turn from cynical and snark to nasty. :mrgreen:

  208. “So word is the prosecution in the Zimmerman case called a witness who testified that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman, punching him in the face “Mixed Martial Arts style,” and that the calls for help he heard must have come from the person on the bottom.”

    Huck, I have been trying to follow along as best I can with a minimized screen at my desk. And I see the prosecution’s case is even more pathetic than I thought. Its own witnesses are corroborating Zimmerman’s version, which is obvious in any event.

    Where’s the witness or forensic evidence that Zimmerman “was” on top? It doesn’t exist. Questionable doesn’t work. And all of these witnesses’ observations and testimony were investigated and known before Zimmerman was charged. Thankfully Obama and Holder got involved. :roll:

    Why the Duke lacrosse case seems like only yesterday . . .

    The operative term is mens rea, notwithstanding any deviations in the witness testimony.

    (you might want to look that up R).

    And this is the prosecution’s case. :roll:

  209. You’re wasting your breath. I won’t believe in Jesus Christ until I see his words in his own handwriting.

    You can stop worrying. Unlike you, I won’t make some bogus claims of what Jesus wrote and you won’t find them in his handwriting like you bibliographers.

    I’ll just say on “good faith” your conclusions carry a great deal more risk than mine, Pfesser. :wink:

  210. lol….The Dominionists need to be crushed. I’m sick of the paper drives and the Nativity Scenes.

  211. “Huck, I have been trying to follow along as best I can with a minimized screen at my desk. And I see the prosecution’s case is even more pathetic than I thought. Its own witnesses are corroborating Zimmerman’s version, which is obvious in any event. ”

    I’ve been reading daily recaps. You were correct. He is innocent of 2nd degree murder.

  212. That’s just a kiddie pool, Huck. You ought to see what I can do with a semi. :lol:

    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    Funny stuff, rabbit. I have had some crazy stuff happen around pools – dog bit, but never punched. But then I never worked with my brothers. I have done some rolled roofing and 3 tab shingle overs, never stripped one. I’ve done more framing, rock and finish work in my day. And concrete. Everything with concrete, brick, and tile. I love building stuff.

    When I moved to AZ, I had a buddy that was selling roofs that decided selling pools would be more fun. I think he became a Canuck after the economy crashed here.

  213. Never have understood the likability of weed. It tastes like shit, smells like shit, made me nauseous with the high dollar stuff of the 70s….which I am sure is not nearly as potent as what is sold today.

    But then I never understood the fun of losing ones faculties for extended periods of time either. I want something that is going to make me want to wake up.

    Like poontang. :smile: Now that I would get “high on” about ten times a day if it were readily available.

  214. Even if their star witness didn’t have the intelligence of Homo Habilis, its still lame. It’s not like she was Skyping with Travon.

    I will say this…I still think the Prosecution dropped the ball on a valid 3rd degree rap. But….I guess Holder and Obama were personally involved….

  215. “Now that I would get “high on” about ten times a day if it were readily available.”

    Ten times a day?

    Hell no!

    One time a day and then let me be my happy asexual self comparing Night Game vs Day Game MLB stats.

    Tex…is that your boat?

  216. “But then I never understood the fun of losing ones faculties for extended periods of time either. I want something that is going to make me want to wake up.”

    I’m with you.

    Somewhere, in a disgusting alternate universe, Tex is chasing the dragon with David Crosby, a couple groupies and a few rodeo clowns. Bump after bump , Tex clinching his jaw, taking up elbow room in front of the white powdered mirror while he jaws politics.

  217. Tex, I was never much of a drinker. Your descriptions remind me of what alcohol would do. And it for sure makes it difficult the morning after. I always found pot increases and enhances sexual pleasure whereas alcohol defeats it, at least in men. Women are opposite, I think. Just my observation.

  218. You know, Tigre.

    I have thought this Zimmerman case was a farce from the start, grievance hustlers looking to cash in and be famous for 15 minutes including Trayvon™’s mother “trademarking” his name – all driven by a corrupt media that loves to stir the racial pot to create strife. They run to it like flies to dog shit and Rev. Al & Je$$e comply.

    This time, Rutherford had one thing absolutely right. Wannabee gangsta meets wannabee sheriff, and sheriff had every right to defend himself – gangsta lay dead.

    I know we’ve got to go through the dog and pony show and make a spectacle since Trayvon™ did die and the American public requires bread and circuses. His parents deserves his day in court and considering the idiocy of an American public that would be stupid enough to not only elect but reelection such gross incompetence and ego, I suppose you never know.

    But it all became worthwhile yesterday for me when this Rachel Whatshername, all three ‘foaty’ of her with attitude, was not only demonstrated as ignorant and illiterate, but lying through her teeth. Nothing was more entertaining that watching that big ass booty slapped.

    To the best of my knowledge I’ve never really had it out with a black man other than a fist fight in high school at a sporting event. By the end of the year, we were friendly. I’ve met some black punks, but they are irrelevant and they don’t much f__ with me – I’m not an easy enough victim.

    But there is nothing worst than these female sassy, racist, three ax-handle ass wide ghetto ninnies with attitude. I basically ended my career over the most inane, unaccomplished bullying negra picking on a nice little gal on my staff, and I haven’t forgotten either. I ripped ‘Sharon’ a new asshole and humiliated her, and she went running to H.R. and the execs. It’s then that I called them all cowards and too scared to deal with a problem. Weaselly white boys too in love with their money to be men.

    So I thoroughly enjoyed watching Rachel get humbled and busted, because she could have been Sharon’s daughter.

  219. “I always found pot increases and enhances sexual pleasure”

    Yeah…nothing gets my wife more horny then me being fascinated by Shark Week on the Discovery Channel while I graze on Combo crumbs stuck in my belly button hair.

    Light……bubble bubble bubble….cough…wink

  220. “But there is nothing worst than these female sassy, racist, three ax-handle ass wide ghetto ninnies with attitude”

    Thankfully…most of them don’t leave a 5 block radius.

  221. :lol: Only wish that were my “boat.” Take the wife too.

    Never did that for me, Poolman. Obviously, it does something different for most of you. I might as well have taken a bottle of Quaalude. If I didn’t feel dead, I was worthless.

    I even got high during church service one day. I got mad at my juvenile deliquent friend for having it there and ate it. I floated through the service about 30 minutes later. My parents had no idea what was wrong with me. They thought I was getting sick. :lol:

    Hitting the weed, I either puked almost immediately or ate nine McDonald’s quarter pounders while the effect wore off.

    I didn’t know what sex was when I was occasionally taking a toke. That was 35-40 years ago. But I sure was willing to peek at it given the opportunity.

  222. Tex, DR, this is the part that I R refuses to understand. Prosecuting someone of murder, or any crime, without a 100% belief that you will obtain a conviction (not whether you think he did it) is itself a complete injustice. Testing a case is not a proper function of the State’s prosecutorial powers.

    And the victim’s parents are not entitled to “their day in court” when the effect is to give someone else “a day in court” and have to defend a life behind bars when the evidence to convict beyond a reasonable doubt doesn’t exist. All that does is create a second victim through the presumption of guilt rather than innocence.

  223. ”I always found pot increases and enhances sexual pleasure whereas alcohol defeats it, at least in men. Women are opposite, I think. Just my observation.”
    :lol: :lol: Oh Poolman. What about “Oh God please make it stop” was your first clue that the locoweed wasn’t affecting her in quite the same way as you?

    Just kidding pools. Hey, kiddie pool. Kiddie porn. Kiddie Korn. Kettel Korn! I’m hungry!

  224. “Light……bubble bubble bubble….cough…wink”

    :lol: :lol: Rabbit, your ability to write such a comment as #291 is probably the most potent love potion you could bring to the party. Just a wild guess.

  225. Judging from some of the comments I am seeing, if this is how weed affects you guys then it’s a good thing you don’t smoke it.

  226. Tigre I’ve been appreciative of the trial talk between you and Huck.

    The prosecution’s star witness yesterday and the day before broke my heart. It’s hard not to look at her and wonder if the system is working at all. As big as she is boys, this is Misfortune’s Child who fell through the cracks.

    I don’t mean the judicial system, though the prosecution should have helped her out by telling her to just tell the truth at every question no matter what or where the chips fall. I don’t think they prepared her quite in the right way. You don’t have to think about the truth – you just have to tell it.

    She didn’t know what would help Trayvon and what wouldn’t. She should have been told that wasn’t her responsibility.

    I think she was used by a desparate and callous prosecuter.

  227. Muffy, were in complete agreement.

    Frankly, the prosecution doesn’t give any more of shit about her than Zimmerman or anyone else. Another victim.

    Real fucking justice, huh?

  228. “Judging from some of the comments I am seeing, if this is how weed affects you guys then it’s a good thing you don’t smoke it.”

    My apologies, this read a lot more like an insult than I intended.

    All I meant was that weed doesn’t affect everyone the same way, and it seems that some here aren’t getting from it what others do.

    I am fully convinced that weed kept me off hyperactivity drugs as a young teen. That doesn’t mean I am suggesting all hyper 14 year olds start toking up. But sometimes a little dulling isn’t a bad thing when considering the alternative.

  229. Thanks for the clarification Huck. For my part I agree a little dulling is a good thing sometimes so I’ll clarify also. The “dull” remark was my way of describing how weed affects me, or rather used to. Pure escape. Too much of it and “vacation” turned to “vacant.”

    I’d be high and it would become really important that everyone understand that if you don’t start the Dark Side of the Moon CD after the lion’s second roar it won’t work. Know what I mean?

    And there was always 50/50 shot that I’d wind up paranoid. I hated that.

    Personally I’m thumbs up for the decriminalization of pot.

  230. ETA: I just don’t carry on with the”harmless” racket. It ain’t. What do you think? (To Huck)

  231. re 293, I guess we are unique, no matter how pigeon holed the world has us. I have seen many more harmed by drink in my lifetime, and the law makes that out as more acceptable. Were you aware the original assassins used weed to focus? Rabbit may get off on sharks while his wife lies ignored, and it may be other stimuli that turn that around for him. For some it’s food. The pharma crap we dole out daily profits some, but is definitely not the answer, imo. Our cells have built in receptors for organics, not the synthetic.

  232. “I just don’t carry on with the”harmless” racket. It ain’t. What do you think?”

    I have to imagine that inhaling smoke into your lungs is harmful to some extent. And I had to quit because it was throwing my blood pressure out of whack, so there is that potential, too.

    My motto is, stuff doesn’t give you something without taking away something else.

  233. The take away is this. Everything in moderation. It can be abused but is never lethal.

    George Washington grew hemp and separated the male from the female plants. Anyone growing for consumption does the same. It has documented use for over 3000 years and for medical purpose. But that was before the cotton and paper industries demonized it.

    Tesla motors has made a car from hemp. It beats the hell out of oil products for durability and health. Jeans that were made from hemp would not wear out like their cotton equivalent.

  234. I think she was used by a desparate and callous prosecuter.

    I think she was used by a couple of corrupted, failed and yes desperate parents of Trayvon™. But don’t think for a minute that Twiggy deserves any slack because she’s stupid. She’s also dishonest as hell and willing to put an innocent man in prison for the rest of his life for a little free advertising.

    You hear that lip she was giving the attorney before he shamed her? This is O.J. in reverse. I’ve met these horse’s asses like poor Rachel a thousand times before. Niggaz with Attitude, raised from the crib to hate whitey.

    Oh no, this big baby hates pinky with a passion. I’ve met a thousand of them at every Walmart, every DPS, every state registration and college – completely unqualified and incompetent, frankly dumber than sheep and believing they are bulletproof because they’re a VICTIM, there to meet the quota, eat Family Sized bags of Fritos and watch Jerry Springer on the dole.

    And we’ve got a few of these horse’s asses in Congress. Shelia Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, Frederica Wilson to name a few. Disgraces by another name to appease the grievance hustlers.

    Then when Twinky realized she was going to be put on trial and asked about truthfulness for all the world to see, suddenly she became reluctant witness. Oh no Muffy and Tigre, be assured poor “little” Rachel was prancing around a year ago to have a take at it. This was Rachel’s chance at reality TV. Then when reality set in, “well, I don’t know if wants to.”

  235. Tex, DR, this is the part that I R refuses to understand. Prosecuting someone of murder, or any crime, without a 100% belief that you will obtain a conviction (not whether you think he did it) is itself a complete injustice. Testing a case is not a proper function of the State’s prosecutorial powers.

    Cannot argue a bit. George Zimmerman’s life is over pretty much win or lose. 2nd degree murder charge is a joke and I can guarantee you if Zimmerman found guilty, he’ll be used as marked man.

    But now Tigre, you can see why I and millions of others question the validity of our court system. That’s certainly not to incriminate everyone involved and I know you and BIC aren’t unique in your honesty and remembering justice.

    But that doesn’t change the fact that entire system, much like medicine, much like Congress, much like the largest part of this country is broken.

  236. And Tex, R can’t understand why I would dilute my assessment by expressing outrage. Fuck him. The only reason this is occurring at all is because the DOJ at Obama’s direction got involved to carry out their racist agendas.

  237. The only reason this is occurring at all is because the DOJ at Obama’s direction got involved to carry out their racist agendas.

    That and the fact there a millions of utterly phony and sanctimonious white libs that think it makes them sound pious to ignore truth and instead enable bad behavior and pander for vote. What I want to do is drop some of these race hustlers in some of these black neighborhoods without transporation and give them a real epiphany.

    Fuck them…they’ll be the first I aim at if the shooting starts. I “do miss” on occasion, but I carry a hell of a lot of bullets just in case. :smile:

  238. Tex I don’t think what each of us are saying (about the witness) is mutually exclusive.

    ~

    ”So DR, let me understand — screwing whores in Iceland while “serving your country” makes you worldly?”

    Actually yes.

  239. “A barn would be nuts. I take it you guys tied on?”

    No, I did the design as a 4/12, so it wasn’t that steep. Had roof trusses on 48″ centers. The truss co said no, it had to be 16’s. I said no, it’s only supporting tin, so get out your goddamn software and recalculate.

    The guy looked like he swallowed a dog turd. Software? How do yo know about that? (this was late 80’s-early 90’s). He booted up his little program (floppy disk!), and the only thing it required in order for us to eliminate 2 of every 3 trusses was change the rafters to 2X6 and the purlins to 2X4.

    We lifted the trusses up with a gin pole I had afro-engineered on my loader bucket. It was a little scary nailing on the purlins with 48″ between trusses. Long way down. Tin went on easy, but I was twenty years younger. Nobody tied on – what do you take us for, pussies? Enough beer makes you float above the roof anyway. LOL

    Used steel built-up trusses for main supports. Whole thing supported on 6 phone poles. Withstood 60#/sq ft snow dump that dropped 40 buildings in the county in (2000??)

    Jesus, where did the years and the good times go? Just talked to my cousin, with whom I have had many pot-fueled escapades and many a good dirt-bike ride. He told me I am only one of three of the original dirt bike gang still living. Hillbillies live short, eventful, tobacco-filled lives.

  240. Trusses? That’s not roofing, that’s streight up framing! Out of our league. We tore off shingle, replaced bad wood and layed down paper and drip edge….threw cheap 3 tabs on. That’s it.

    We were the fastest crew on the west side though. We would tear and roof 40 square roof by 2 pm. At our height in the late 90’s there were 12 of us. We had it down like a science. The minute we showed up we nailed tarps from the gutters, made ply wood slides to the dump, covered windows with plywood. 8 guys tearing, 4 guys Scrapping.

    Sometimes, the owner would come home and not even realize he had a new roof, our clean up was so good.

    Fridays were always easy days. Reroof or garage. We would be drinking in the bar by 10 am.

    The owner was/is a cool dude. He became a millionaire. No other crews would be so big. He had way more labor costs, but we had a job every day for almost 5 years straight. That’s amazing. Turns out, people really dig not having the job completed in one day.

    Old men would watch in amazement. We worked the same neighborhoods so much these old geezers became kind of like our fans.

    The melt down was a 1930’s style depression for roofing here. Decimated the crew. Funny thing, they are having a sort of Renaisance right now. Turns out all the bank owned homes need new roofs badly because a bunch of assholes put cheap 3 tab on back in the 90s. :)

  241. The only reason this is occurring at all is because the DOJ at Obama’s direction got involved to carry out their racist agendas.

    I’m sorry did I miss your supporting facts on that or are you just pulling racial resentment out of your ass?

  242. Muffy — the very model of motherhood — “Go forth my son and screw Icelandic whores. It’ll make a worldly man out of you.”

    Bravo!

  243. Tigre, if you can get past your racial resentment for a few seconds — AND — if you’ve been watching the trial, I’m curious about the defense examination of the physician’s assistant today. It seemed to me that the defense was leading the witness with almost every question and seldom got objected to by the prosecution. I haven’t been following the testimony closely. Was she a witness for the prosecution and did that allow the defense to treat her as hostile, which would then allow leading questions?

    I’m just curious.

  244. I have heard from more than 1 Egyptian source that Morsi is going to be ousted by Sunday.

    So watching Egypt could make for an interesting weekend.

  245. R, first, what part of the DOJ and Obama’s involvement do you dispute. Second have you forgotten how this went down. Third, don’t you know how to use Google. What are you missing? I’m sure you can find videos of Holder’s press conference(s) with Sharpton sitting along side the podium. What confusion are you having with Obama’s long-lost son, Trayvon?

  246. This is the prosecutions case-in chief. Pathetically, all of the witnesses are the State’s. They were called on direct examination. The defense has them on cross. You lead on cross. You don’t lead on direct.

    As for hostile, you don’t call a witness as your own, then attack their credibility when they testify consistently with prior testimony by then calling them “hostile.” By calling the witness, you’re in effect vouching for them. The concept of “hostile” to permit leading is when they change their testimony to undercut what they have said previously. That never occurred.

    R, this is what’s so pathetic. This is the State’s case. This is it. This all they got. This is why I was pounding my fists. Everything was already known about this testimony and facts, and they still charged him with murder — to your delight. There never was a case. This is outrageous.

  247. And quit with your “racial resentment” dumbass. It’s a logic and ignorance problem I’m having with you. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, and worse don’t care. Instead, your “blood boils” because I dispute your nonsense and your don’t have enough sense to consider what I write before falling back on your uninformed, spoon-fed, MSNBC talking points thinking you stand for social justice and I’m blind.

    I’m sure you think I’m “fooling you” again. But I’m not “fooling anyone.” I know what I’m talking about. You don’t. I can calls ‘em likes I sees ‘em and have no reason not to. Period. Get over yourself.

  248. p.s. I hope you enjoy your conviction of a clearly innocent man, or your race riots. In either event, you will get what you asked for.

  249. Yeah…..when the President chirped in because is homie had a beef with the 5-0 it was just embaressing.

    When he interjected himself into this case to the extent that he did he hurt America. Lots of Dead Rabbit family live next to neighborhoods full of black thugs.

    We are armed but the blood will be on Obama’s hands.

  250. Just to clarify to Obama’s NSA thought police, I am referring to any racial riots that might occur.

  251. Tigre I’m not sure where you get the idea that I delight in Z’s misfortune. I wrote an entire blog post condemning Trayvon and a generation of wanna-be gangsta’s and I have written more than once in the comments section that I get your point about Zimmerman being overcharged.

    You’ve probably answered this elsewhere but does the jury have the option to convict him of a lesser charge like involuntary manslaughter?

    The idea that Z was just a guy minding his own business who got jumped by a thug is nonsense and you know it. Z contributed to this tragedy and should have to pay for his bad judgment.

  252. Tigre,

    If after this pathetic spectacle, George Zimmerman is found guilty…

    …then burn the whole thing down. There is nothing left to salvage.

    I can’t wait to see the prosecution explain how Zimmerman’s head was bashed and bleeding out the back of his occipital, pictures and testimony all, while Zimmerman on top of a man that apparently outweighed him by 60 lbs and holding him down to boot. 007 Zimmerman.

    Then Crazy Ass Cracka Zimmerman pulled the gun from his pocket and with one hand while holding down poor, little innocent Trayvon™ with the other; Trayvon™ refusing to let go of his “candy.” :roll: :roll:

  253. Z contributed to this tragedy and should have to pay for his bad judgment.

    “R”,

    And you don’t think Zimmerman hasn’t already paid a penalty with the black thug mob threatening his life, the race pimps and grievance hustlers in tow, the slander by the corrupted MSM?

  254. “R”,

    What I just described is exactly what the Klan used to do negroes of the deep South – forcing them to live in fear. And that is exactly what transpired with Zimmerman and his family.

    All we need now from the race pimps and New Black Panthers is a good cross burning in Zimmerman’s yard to complete the cycle.

    I’m surprised that doesn’t infuriate many educated blacks who demand justice out of one corner of their mouth, and cry for a good cracka lynching out the other.

    Don’t join in with these scumbags. You’re better than that.

  255. “Z contributed to this tragedy and should have to pay for his bad judgment.”

    you can blame the over zealous prosecution for that one and, for that matter…..your despicable media…..and the president…

  256. R…..a guy (very believable guy) walked out his door and heard/saw Zimmerman screaming for his life and saw T on top of
    Z, beating him. The only thing he couldn’t say is that the punches were landing on his Z man’s face. But, we have a picture of that.

    You really not sickened that President O felt the need to inject himself in this. Do understand what being a leader is?

    Or the blatant editing down for the sake of deceit by the media?

    I agree with you. Z probably is liable in some way, possibly legally. But….the prosecution blew that.

  257. Tigre,

    This is a question which is obviously from a judicial neophyte/nascent so know mocking as I CYA, but what does ‘involuntary manslaughter’ generally cover?

  258. As for Zimmerman I think one only breeds confusion when you bring in the word “liable”. That is a civil law term and not really connected to a criminal proceeding especially the charges he is facing. I think the social pressures to prosecute on this one is one of the reasons the prosecution is so confused and failing. It is still America though so the jury may still hang ‘em.

  259. Regardless of the interaction with Icelandic females or girls and guys from wherever I put money on the side of those that have done their interactions on the soil of the others as opposed to on an American campus. Ergo dead rabbit is indeed more worldly than many of the alleged enlightens found in the Ivy cloisters.

  260. One of the glaring and galling points the international media has going for it regards Obama three nation Africa jaunt….. too little too late from a number of perspectives. The continent especially the sub-Saharan regions have been lost to China. That is gonna sting some day and some day relatively soon.

  261. “Z contributed to this tragedy and should have to pay for his bad judgment.”

    As have you. I think you and the race hustling idiots that lead you a round and whipped this up should have pay for bad judgment.

    And you don’t get a pass because you said some critical things about Trayvon when the image of the precious little angel became so absurd.

    Zimmerman shouldn’t be convicted of anything. He was allowed to defend himself from a thug that unquestionably attacked him even though you don’t think so because Trayvon’s black and Zimmerman’s white.

    I have absolutely no doubt you wouldn’t be spouting off the need to hold Zimmerman accountable if her were black. And that’s because I find you to be racist and bigoted in your thinking about things when prompted to be by your media maters, R. I mean that in all sincerity.

    The answer to your question is, to my knowledge, yes if jury charges (instructions) are requested by the prosecution for manslaughter as a “lesser included offense.” But I could be wrong about how it goes in FL. You can look it up. and in ay event Zimmerman has a self-defense claim that must be disproved by the State beyond a reasonable doubt.

    R, rather than you just throwing up platitudes based on known distortions of the positions and evidence (a/k/a pulling shit out of your ass) to continue an unsustainable narrative with what has been known all along), why don’t you try an exercise in applying what you know of the facts to the standards you insist Zimmerman be held accountable for? Your conclusions based on “what s not known” or what you think is not known (though it usually is) are worthless. After 15 witnesses and Zimmerman’s videotaped interviews, It’s all pretty much out there for you to discuss with some specificity. You had no trouble locating the law when it came to stand your ground, you can do it here.

    Go ahead. I am all ears. I want to hear “specifically” why you don’t think Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense is good without vague references to a physical assault unquestionably initiated by your “lil gangsta wannabe. Say something other than he ought to pay because he had a gun, should be presumed racist, had no business getting out of his car, or he was the aggressor (with no evidence of any contact on his hands or Trayvon’s body) etc. He says Trayvon circled back and confronted him and that point is totally uncontradicted by any of the evidence despite the prosecutions efforts to massage the unhelpful testimony of his girlfriend on the phone call. Move from feelings to fact for once.

  262. If only Dead Rabbit could go back in time with his adult brain. I would have done so many more cool things. R is correct in that it was pretty one dimensional.

  263. There is conflicting stuff online about 3rd degree in Florida. According to on article from Breitbart:

    Manslaughter by Culpable Negligence, which involves engaging in “culpably negligent” conduct that leads to the death of another person.

    That being said, can an act be considered negligent if it is not illegal? Zimmerman broke no laws getting out of his car. So, I don’t know.

  264. If only Dead Rabbit could go back in time with his adult brain. I would have done so many more cool things. R is correct in that it was pretty one dimensional.

    You now, Rabbit. Being I’ll be 53 next week, I have decided that the biggest burden in life is regret. And I have so many of them.

    There’s not a day goes by that I wished I had been in a position to be introduced to so many things at a younger age, had run with a different crowd, had been mature enough to make better choices and taken the time to think more instead of simply following the crowd. That I wished my parents had directed and guided me in some capacity instead of simply providing. I’m not knocking them – but there is more to parenting than simply feeding and clothing your children. What little involvement they had, looking back was somewhat self-serving for them.

    So I made sure that my kids had ample opportunity to experience everything their mom and dad could afford, and that their childhood joyful. I have no regrets about that other than wishing I had more patience with my youngest.

    If you want any advice from your older brotha, take this one because it is the best advice I can offer to new parent:

    In the next 15 years, make your boys your top priority, be patient, and make sure you show appreciation toward your wife because it is a huge burden to be a mom – far more so than earning the paycheck to feed your family.

    That I can promise you, you won’t regret.

  265. Shit. Based on the comments posted while I was typing, other have the same questions.

    Tex, the elements of “manslaughter” “Murder” “involuntary manslaughter” and all degrees of criminal homicide are state specific. Generally speaking though, it applies when the defendant acts with an entire want of care as to raise a presumption of a conscious indifference to consequences, or which shows wantonness or recklessness, or a grossly careless disregard of the safety of others etc. etc. causing death.

    Basically, involuntary Manslaughter, also known as criminally negligent homicide, occurs when a death is an indirect result of recklessness or negligence. It’s why you see it vehicular homicide cases when somebody gets mowed down while the driver is fleeing or drunk.

    Alfie is right. Liable is a term applied in civil law, not criminal. The proper terms are guilty or not guilty in criminal law.

  266. It’s why you see it vehicular homicide cases when somebody gets mowed down while the driver is fleeing or drunk.

    Okay. Thanks!

    Because in Oklahoma, the only time I have seen the term “involuntary manslaughter”, it was exactly for the reason you have listed:

    Drunk driving in boating or driving accidents.

  267. To answer Rabbit and Tex, let’s try it this way. A reckless indifference to consequences that are so extreme they substitute for intent.

    If Rabbit were doing some roofing and simple flung his tools to the ground without looking below and hit one of dozens of coworkers he should’ve known were below — he might not have meant to kill them, but he could found guilty of manslaughter.

    If Rabbit was balancing his coffee cup or leaning back thinking about salad tossing or rolling a doobie, and lost control of his tools and they struck someone below, probably not manslaughter.

    It’s all a degree of recklessness higher than mere negligence.

  268. No matter the judge’s final verdct, this will end badly..

    Exactly right, James. No different than the event itself.

    My silence by the way does not constitute indifference to your granddaughter. I’m taking your posts in and keeping her in my prayers, adding medical opinion if I know of anything I feel might be beneficial (for what that is worth…).

  269. Aside from the government wasting our time and resources with bogus trials with trumped up charges they can’t pretend to defend, there are wastes and corruptions too numerous to list, and the more we investigate, the dirtier we truly are. Just skimming the surface…

    Okay, now I can’t ever speak out in support of Planned Parenthood again. The evil outweighs any good they may have offered.

    I am getting to the point that if it is anyway associated with government, there is always underlying evil intent. In cahoots with industry, this government is destroying the world. The proof is turning up everywhere. The government’s answer is to muzzle and criminalize dissent. Our founders are spinning in their graves.

    NASA proves CO2 cools the atmosphere, proves Al Gore a liar and carbon tax a boondoggle.

    NSA gets 0 support for spying on Americans, proves itself unconstitutional.

    The US is militarizing Africa to protect resource exploiters/extractors (private global corporations), setting up drone bases across the continent.

    US marines are on the border with Syria providing support to rebels involved in heinous acts and sectarian genocide.

    Proof the US and its allies support the largest terror network.

    To cover their crimes and control the message, the US is found to be behind the global banning of free speech of anything Iranian.

    Anyone who has taken an oath to uphold the Constitution and yet continues to enable and perform these unconstitutional actions is either psychopathic or living a dichotomy. It’s no wonder suicide is so high among the troops.

  270. I just wasted 30 minutes of my life combing through Trayvon’s tweets.

    I would bet money (although I’ve been out of the game for a while) that Trayvon is not in a gang nor is he even gang affiliated.

  271. “Can anyone here think of one single racial violence incident where Sharpton was on the right side? I can’t come up with one.”

    Nope.

  272. In the next 15 years, make your boys your top priority, be patient, and make sure you show appreciation toward your wife because it is a huge burden to be a mom – far more so than earning the paycheck to feed your family.”

    Good advice.

  273. “If Rabbit was balancing his coffee cup or leaning back thinking about salad tossing or rolling a doobie”

    lol….thanks for making me a deep thinker while on the roof.

    The game changer for me was the fact that Trayvon was walking in between houses. That was down played big time. If a guy is walking in between houses, it makes sense for a neighborhood watch to get out of his car. They made it sound like dude was walking on the side walk with skittles. The only thing I’d be interested in is if this behavior went down before or after he was being eyed by Zimmerman.

    My man had a screwdriver in his backpack along with jewelry? Don’t know if that’s true….

  274. i see gang shit go under the radar all the time. Could be clothing sold in a chain store, gang signs in the mall, comments made on TV, music. MSM is oblivious.

    At least I used to. I’m not so hip anymore. I was the Security Threat Group (Gang) Coordinator when I worked in juvenile prisons.

    I learned more about tattoos and tagged buildings then you can imagine.

    Problem is you have to stay up on it.

  275. Is Trayvon even from the ghetto? I would bet money, though less, that he isn’t even from a really fucked up hood.

    Out of control wannabe thug, no doubt.

  276. Out in the city running free
    Days pass as seconds turn the key
    The strength of the moment lies with you
    Out tender outward lights of you
    Shine over mountains make the view
    The strength of you seeing lies with you

  277. I think Trayvon and Zimmerman are both products of our Hollywood hyped society. Fantasy, inc. Garbage in, garbage out.

  278. Obama has not had the good sense to tell the media “just cos I’m black doesn’t mean I’m gonna comment on every racial incident in the country.”

    He made that mistake with Skip Gates and Trayvon. I think his ego keeps him from saying “no comment”.

  279. If cities burn it will be an epic mistake. He charged the enviroment up big time. Big time.

    He should go back to shucking and jiving Chi town if he wants to spin the Alice and Wonderland falsehood that there is some sort of ongoing problem with blacks being attacked by whites.

  280. 119 on the back patio right now. I’m looking out at it. I haven’t been in it today. I suppose I should go check the mail.

  281. #367 is a great example of why thread dialog kind of sucks. I’m debating what it all means or possibly means.
    Is this setting up an excuse and a pretty racist one at that for the POTUS?
    Are we stating the POTUS is kind of a moron lacking the sense one would assume someone of his education and position would have a grasp of?
    Is this evidence to Obamas massive failings and an indicator that he or any POTUS is but a mere marionette subject to a tug here or there?
    If we consider this scenario with the countless other forced pressers and the recent haranguing of the Senegalese prez. over how Africans should accept gays with open arms (or else) one could make a good case (as others have in the past) that BHO is indeed a fucked up narcissistic fucktard of epic proportions.

  282. I swear I was in Phoenix once when it was 114 but now I’m not so sure considering that would have been an all time record.

    I honestly can’t imagine 120.

    I know my daily 5k run would be suspended.

    Speaking of which…..while obviously not a long distance and at a tortoise speed (ten minute miles), I’m in that sweet spot now where I enjoy then entire run, even the end. I stopped pushing myself to go faster. Stopped trying to do more distance. Just 5k at a slow pace is enough for me to be drenched, burn a little less then 600 calories and have that cardio feel the rest of the day.

    My knee is complete pulp. That’s the bad thing. I look like a cross between Captain Morgon, C3PO and a Yeti when I run. I get some weird looks.

  283. “And you don’t get a pass because you said some critical things about Trayvon when the image of the precious little angel became so absurd.”

    Until a teenager with skittles is revealed to be more than just a kid with skittles I had every reason to accept his initial profile. You wouldn’t want me to dismiss it just cos he was black would you?

    This is kinda funny. Appears in the same comment where you tell me not to be emotional.

    You’ve been VERY emotional about this. So caught up in your reverse racism stuff that you won’t even acknowledge Zimmerman’s Barney Fife syndrome.

    The defense is trying to paint Z as out of shape and hence even more of a victim. Even got the physicians assistant to say Z’s BMI was in the obese zone. To which I say if you’re out of shape maybe you shouldn’t be neighborhood watch or you’re likely to get your ass kicked.

    You can call me a bigot till you turn blue. If this were white on white you’d be calling Z the fool that he was. And there’s nothing more scary than a fool with a gun.

  284. He was a fool. I’ve said it different ways at least a dozen times.

    Again, make your case R. You haven’t addressed a single point without deflection. Facts, not ad homs.

  285. “You wouldn’t want me to dismiss it just cos he was black would you?” -R

    We have much bigger plans then that. We want you to dismiss it because it was MSM.

    I didn’t get why Tigre was so emotional for awhile myself. But, if you spend 15 minutes applying law to the pretty much unquestionable facts of this case you might be to.

    It’s not cool to see the mob trample law.

  286. I have a profound question – this one might interest Rutherford, since he’s a movie buff.

    How in the hell did Midnight Cowboy when an Academy Award for Best Picture?

    I remember it being released because it was rated X – a few bare fannies and breasts wouldn’t rate PG-13 now.

    Jon Voight and Dustin Hoffman are both excellent actors. But this had to be the most unentertaining, rotten piece of junk I’ve ever watched. Fortunately, the price was right – Netflix free.

    What a clunker…that must have been one horrible year for movies.

  287. Regarding 345 and 347 — one big regret of mine involves a decision I made based purely on superstition when I was in college. We had several extracurriculars for which you had to compete (or comp as they called it). You couldn’t just join cos you wanted to. I wanted to be on the staff of Harvard’s radio station WHRB. I knew someone on the staff and I went down to his dorm room on the fly to talk to him about “comping” for the radio station. When I knocked on his door, he wasn’t home. Believe it or not, I took it as an omen that it wasn’t for me and I didn’t pursue it.

    It was probably the only time in my life that I did something that stupid based on pure superstition. I’ve wanted to be in radio ever since and the best I’ve ever done is a pathetic amateur hour on BlogTalkRadio.

    I’m gonna keep telling my daughter to follow her passion. I am at least the second generation of Lawson’s who didn’t do what they loved. No fucking excuse for that. :-(

  288. I don’t have any regrets and I absolutely mean that.

    Whenever I start to feel like I regret doing or not doing something in the past, I remember that if I had made a different decision than the one I ended up making, my life maybe wouldn’t be what it is now.

    Not that my life is anything special. But I mean things like I might not have met my wife. Seeing as she is who called the ambulance when I was having a heart attack, I might not even be alive right now if I hadn’t met her.

    What we are at this moment is the culmination of our entire life. All the good and all the bad. Change any of those millions of factors, and we might be something else. It might be better…or it might be worse.

    No regrets.

  289. I don’t have any regrets and I absolutely mean that.

    A heart healthy viewpoint. :smile: And perhaps a very mature way to see the world. I admire that – really. And I find some real wisdom in your thoughts, Huck.

    But my regrets have no worse side.

    I deeply regret never finding anything I was completely passionate about – something to strive for and accomplish. Nothing holds my interest anymore. I’m like a leaf in the wind, ungrounded. I regret not utilizing my talents I was given and doing something more productive with them. I regret not having the maturity and foresight to not giving thought as young man to what I wanted to do.

    Frankly, the last decade has been a waste other than some virtual relationships. I’ve appreciated the friendships I have developed here and elsewhere, but it is not the same as those in local proximity. We all know that. When I tease about Rutherford’s place becoming my local pub, there’s actually a shred of truth.

    I regret the things I’ve said to my father, my mother, my wife, and my children, and even good friends – some of which I am now ashamed. I’m talking about the people that really love me. I regret the friendships I have let slide and my own prettiness sometimes. I regret sometimes being lazy and always taking the easy way out – that’s cowardice. I regret not challenging myself more. I regret my cowardice for being too afraid to try things and placing way too much emphasis on what other people thought.

    And perhaps my greatest regret of all – not being strong enough to forgive past grievances.

    Those are the kinds of regrets I have.

  290. No regrets for me, either. Time is too precious to dwell in the past or play the ‘what if’ game. Make your adjustments NOW and going forward.

    There is a wise saying known as the serenity prayer:

    God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
    The courage to change the things I can,
    And wisdom to know the difference.

  291. @ dead rabbit actually Tammy Duckworth is very much a typical Democrat albeit one with some well grounded passionate stances in a couple of areas.
    The guy she dressed down enjoyed a loophole and if he didn’t use that one he would have used the hispanic one. In our earnest to be nice and have happy feelings in our tummies we make policy that from day one has been exploited to our collective peril.
    I think the nation would be horrified to see the results of an audit of all the set asides. The increase costs and the near to total criminality of the makeup of the entities that get the set aside awards. A great example in Boston was a “minority” owned oil company got the municipal contract for heating oil. HUGE! Turns out the “owner” of the company really wasn’t the owner or profit beneficiary,he was a minority bought and fronted just to get the loophole. This is the standard all across the nation. Front a female,minority or ADA poster child and get lucrative government contracts and tax dodges all the while being able to be above the low bid.

  292. In a follow up though I am glad she did what she did and I think she at least stays true to her public statement and think it would be great if someday she can be on a committee that has all its members present and truly holds the system accountable. Sadly she readily admitted that system has its counters in place to avoid accountability and change.
    Need to nuke the machine and build a new one. Fixing it won’t do the job.

  293. Alphie,

    This dude I grew up with, former Marine, tried to talk me into getting full benefits from the VA. I told him there is no way I qualified and he said they will make me qualify. I entertained the thought because the access to docs is amazing. Then I came to my senses that I would be in line making some dude with his legs blown off wait. The VA was actually recruiting me.

    I hear what you are saying. That lady needs to apply her outrage to the entire government.

  294. poolman@383. An old alcoholic friend of mine had the following on his wall in the form of a plaster tablet. I admired it as a boy and when he died, his son delivered it to me, saying that it was one if his father’s last wishes:

    God grant me the wisdom
    to keep my eyes open
    my ears open
    my big mouth shut
    and my nose out of other people’s business.

    He died about 1972. It’s still in my mother’s house somewhere.

  295. Tex @ 382

    You sonofabitch, stop it. I’m beginning to like you again.

    Damn fine post. In the hubris of youth, I used to look upon those with regrets and say, “Jesus, if you’re going to regret something, don’t do it.” Stupid kid.

    Back then I had NO, and I mean NO regrets. Not so now. And funny you should bring up the topic; I was talking by phone to my Oldest and Best Friend this morning about this very thing:

    Most of all I wish I could call back a thousand things I’ve said to people who matter to me – some said in anger, some in ignorance – all now in regret.

  296. I really need to learn to proofread. I went back to after Poolman’s response and noticed I had placed “prettiness” where “pettiness” was intended. :oops:

    One could interpret as a Freudian I suppose, but I promise “prettiness” was the last thing on my mind when I typed that.

    Oh boy. Perhaps it is overdue to try a new gig. Time to bury Tex Taylor and take up a new cause…

    All the church services in the world won’t teach me what I already know about forgiveness, Poolman. But thank you for the invite anyway.

    Like so many things in life, I need to apply what I already know…

  297. R – re: broadcast radio – have you considered amateur radio? It’s a real hoot; gives you an opportunity to learn some electronics and radio regulations. I’ve been Amateur Advanced since 1984. I don’t do it much any more, but you can find equipment on eBay pretty cheap. Quite fun to talk to Namibia and South Africa on a couple hundred watts.

  298. The choices we’ve made and the experiences we’ve survived, make us who we are and bring us to this moment with unique experience to affect this moment in a good or neutral or bad way. That is the freedom we possess that no person can steal. That is how we create our footprint on this planet. That is how we have our power and the reason we have life.

  299. “Obama and the Democrats would actually prefer an acquittal here. That’s because the whole point of the ginned-up Zimmerman affair was to inflame racial sentiment to boost black turnout in 2012. With any luck, they can turn an acquittal into another racial rallying cry, which will help in 2014. It’s not about Zimmerman; he’s just one of those eggs you have to break to make an Obama omelet.” – Glenn Reynolds

    Bingo…”R” would like to charge this to a degree of Obama cowardice in responding. He may have a point but I think it more likely that as Glenn Reynolds accurately surmised in this quotation, I don’t think it’s a flaw in the Obama character.

    I think it is the main feature.

  300. @ DR I’ve had a fair amount of exposure to the VA,primarily in the Boston region (so Boston,Jamaica Plain,W.Roxbury and Brockton campuses) and a month plus stint at the VA in Providence RI. The place really is a world unto itself. I can only really put forth stuff regards the care and hospital bureaucracy not the benefits administration stuff.
    Yeah I really got riled about how the vets were cattle driven. They took it well for the most part and in many cases the guys got full care. Longer stays than the civilian [dre?] regulated stays and really good access to specialty treatments for spinal cord and amputee stuff. The psychiatric care seemed to be sub par at best with a number of the clinicians and patients knowing damn well this was more about staying in the system and collecting the monthly check than anything else.
    There are security issues at any of the hospitals these days hampering access but I think any given VA hospital could offer a thought provoking visit that would put a clearing spin on Veterans Day for many.

  301. I just wanted to toss this out there as a cathartic kind of thing. I am frustrated by the reporting and potential reality of Obamas visit to Africa. The overplaying of the Mandela angle in South Africa and the episode in Senegal really paints a picture that this FP trip is a real bust.
    Obama is such a lame, lame duck president I almost shudder ,literally, at what is on the horizon. My thinking is that we’re are very very screwed and that there are a couple of very big shoes yet to fall.
    Some potential drops imo:
    Syria
    Something in Africa
    Domestic racial angst,tension etc. courtesy Zimmerman case,VRA crush and liberal harping.
    The summer crime and jobs stats.
    Continued intellectual and defense loss to China
    Drought in the West? I obviously don’t blame O for this one but I worry about the response
    Student loan debt hits a TRILLION.

  302. Alfie,

    The Obama visit to Africa is pure bread and circus. Mandela is held up as some saint – I don’t believe it for a second and neither should anyone else.

    What our media and the millions of hypocrites have attempted to sweep under the rug is the record of South Africa after apartheid overturned. Now, it is whites that are being persecuted. Their fields burned, their businesses smash, what once was a lawful country, at least giving the appearance of modern and civilized has broken into lawlessness and tribe.

    I don’t excuse the persecution of anybody because of the color of their skin. It’s wrong and it’s sinful – it’s pure hatred based on lies and distortions. Apartheid was hideous as was America’s slavery, straight from the bowels of hell.

    But this lie being perpetrated across this earth as Mandela some savior is pure hogwash; much as it was pure hogwash that Obama a post racial President.

  303. Tex, so cynical. Why would anyone doubt Obama’s motives? Winning an election ginning up division and strife? Never. Remember this guy is a Nobel Peace Prize winner. And when the State Dept. or any branch of government does something out of line, he’s quick to be outraged after reading about it in the papers. Because that’s how “they” handle it. . . and stuff. :roll:

    Gotta admit. Watching the buffoonery coming form the prosecution in their presentation, I have really wondered whether they’re intentionally going through the motions but throwing the case. I’ve really never seen anything like this.

    And I spent Friday night participating and listening in to some conversations among a group of black friends. With the exception of few, the narrative that this is all a racist murder that whitey looked past is past the point of no return. Real anger, no bother with the facts. Shot that little boy in the street like a dog. Nothing good will come of this because nothing can.

    DR, with respect to my outrage a/k/a “emotion,” I think you got it now. It really bothers me to watch a justice system so obviously perverted with the approval of ignoramuses that consider them the arbiters of fairness and compassion. It says a lot about where we are.

  304. Tex, so cynical. Why would anyone doubt Obama’s motives? Winning an election ginning up division and strife?

    It’s a weakness. :grin: Perhaps one day, Obama can prove me wrong and I’ll add it to my list of regrets. But as each day goes by, I’m finding less for saying, “I’m sorry, I was wrong.”

    And a whole lot more, “I told you so…” In fact, if anything I underestimated Obama’s proclivity for weakness, ineptness and evil.

  305. I’m genuinely touched by the dialog around regret. I think Huck and Pools are on the right track here. Yet it is interesting that two political enemies (me and Tex) have such a similar take on the past. Reading Tex’s statement on this was like reading my own words. There are those who say from where I started I’ve done quite well but I see how I could have done so much more.

    Putting aside WHRB specifically, in a more general sense I squandered a Harvard education. It’s like hitting Lotto and spending it all on broads and booze.

  306. Putting aside WHRB specifically, in a more general sense I squandered a Harvard education. It’s like hitting Lotto and spending it all on broads and booze.

    Well, I hope your broads prettier and booze more tasty than mine. It was last week, that it was exactly a decade that I brought home a paycheck and since that day, it has been gnawing at me. I had promised myself I would do something before that day arrived. I’ve done nothing.

    But I’m not sure I would agree with your conclusion you squandered anything. First of all, you earned the degree – nobody gave it to you. They may have granted you admittance, but you still had to work to get the sheepskin. Second, sometimes fate plays a role. At least three times in my own career, I went from having a wonderful mentor/boss to an awful excuse for a boss – an none of the good ones last more than 30 months. You and I have no control over that. It’s not like we went from highly rated employee to troublemaker without assistance along the way. Nobody ever complained about my quality of work or my work ethic. I generally gave more than I got. It was my mouth and demands for justice for not just me, but the people I was over that got me into trouble.

    Looking back, the company my wife worked for where we met was without doubt, the best big employer in our town. She’s still there, 30+ years and counting. I let me worse angels skew my opinion of the entire company because of my dislike for working for my boss, switching and getting a worse boss. I made more money for other companies after that, but certainly not enough to make myself unhappy.

    I think there is some validity to what Huck and Poolman suggested – you can’t change the past and it is done. That is a healthy perspective.

    But I also think their is some validity to what you, Pfesser and I say – you can also learn from your past and make sure you don’t repeat the same mistakes. Unfortunately, I keep repeating the same mistakes.

    The real perspective should probably lie somewhere in between I suspect. You should not dwell on your past like we do, but a moment of occasional introspection is also good for the soul if not excessively done.

  307. “you can also learn from your past and make sure you don’t repeat the same mistakes…. a moment of occasional introspection is also good for the soul”

    Absolutely.

  308. “Testing a case is not a proper function of the State’s prosecutorial powers.”

    Interesting idea but it would apply to many cases over the years. If I’m not mistaken the Scopes Monkey trial was manufactured to challenge the law.

    These tests are not necessarily unusual. Maybe you’re saying you don’t object when someone breaks the law to challenge it vs prosecution as a test.

    Actually isn’t the state prosecuting Z against its own self interest? A conviction would impact the status of stand your ground. Why would the state take that risk if they didn’t believe a true injustice had been done?

  309. “All we need now from the race pimps and New Black Panthers is a good cross burning in Zimmerman’s yard to complete the cycle.”

    Uh oh here come those New Black Panthers again … all 3 of them. :roll:

  310. I think we’ve gone from a melting pot into a boiling pot. If anything our first black president has heightened racial tension and divide, seeing it from a looking back perspective anyway. That’s my take.

  311. Personally Rutherford, if the New Black Panther Party really wants a fight, I’ve found the initial TEXAS solution a pretty good tactic.
    :smile:

  312. “The game changer for me was the fact that Trayvon was walking in between houses.”

    Truly not starting a fight here. Has that been established as fact? Do we know whether walking between houses didn’t simply constitute a short cut home? And yes we MUST ask if this motivated Z’s suspicion would he have been similarly motivated by a white kid wearing a sports jacket taking the same route?

  313. “Out of control wannabe thug, no doubt.”

    What have I been saying?

    I thought I read that Trayvon’s parents are divorced. He lived with his mother and I got the impression it was a middle class or lower middle class upbringing. He was visiting his father at the fathers girlfriends house at the time he died.

  314. “Uh oh here come those New Black Panthers again … all 3 of them.”

    The guy who demonizes a fat old white woman who said “nigger” 20 years ago wants to minimize a group of guys you call for the murder of white people “and they babies” 5 years ago.

  315. Truly not starting a fight here. Has that been established as fact? Do we know whether walking between houses didn’t simply constitute a short cut home? And yes we MUST ask if this motivated Z’s suspicion would he have been similarly motivated by a white kid wearing a sports jacket taking the same route?

    trespassing is still illegal and a very unwise act in a locale with SYG laws on the books.
    I also am saddened that Rutherford exhibits the signs and symptoms of far too many of our countrymen in accepting the disregard of a minor law.
    I don’t think “we MUST” although I am without doubt that you truly believe it should be questioned. Whether white privilege is a cure all or curse all or whether we acknowledge that the community in which Martin was visiting and Zimmerman lives had indeed seen a rise in crime secondary to the failing Florida housing market and alterations to the pseudo gated community’s makeup are all irrelevant in a criminal court of law. If you want to find Zimmerman guilty or not guilty at least do so along the lines of criminal law and not your fucking feelings!

  316. Although I appreciate Hucks zen like thoughts on regret and life actions and decisions it cannot be stressed enough that the life of an honest man will include regrets and that such is totally normal for the human animal. The curse of free will,opposable thumbs and high ranking on the food chain baby.

  317. A variation of the theme in 416. Walking a rail line seems a pretty innocent thing. Even if you’re not stealing,hiding,or creating “artwork” on box cars you are still trespassing. Yet when even the most angelic gets clipped by the train we are to collectively cry aloud our sorrows. Fuck ‘em. You dance with the train you gonna loose and quite frankly you deserve it.

  318. Yeah……Fair questions on the walk.

    As for asking if Zimmerman would have responded the same way had the kid been white, maybe not. We all know a shady looking motherfucker. I have no doubt Tray fit this bill. Asking whether or not Zimmerman’s subconscious would have registered a white kid as a thug just as fast is immaterial. If the contents of his back pack are really what what I read they are, Zimmerman profiled perfectly.

    How bout’ you R?. Would a shady looking black guy hanging out by your apartment door blip your radar quicker then a white guy?

    Much higher odds of stranger danger with a black young man. Nearly one in three African American males aged 20–29 are under some form of criminal justice supervision whether imprisoned, jailed, on parole or probation. 1/3, dude.

  319. “The guy who demonizes a fat old white woman who said “nigger” 20 years ago wants to minimize a group of guys you call for the murder of white people “and they babies” 5 years ago.”

    You’re making a comparison I would never have made. I find the three New Black Panthers (is that like the New Young Rascals or the New Monkees?) far more threatening than Paula Deen. I’d avoid eye contact much less physical contact with the former while I might have a delish meal with the latter.

    My only point is that the New Black Panthers are a boogeyman full of stupid rhetoric and little else.

    You CAN arrest one if they block a polling place. You can’t arrest a legislator for outlawing voting on Sundays. ;-)

  320. “How bout’ you R?. Would a shady looking black guy hanging out by your apartment door blip your radar quicker then a white guy?”

    Absolutely. Particularly if I lived in a white neighborhood. Then again, no offense Rabbit, but if I saw a close cropped white dude sporting tattoos wearing a wife beater shirt my radar might go off too.

    Maybe the difference between me and some of you guys is I feel guilty when I profile people. You guys accept it as matter of fact.

  321. “You CAN arrest one if they block a polling place”

    Uhhhh……you sure can’t charge one. Doesn’t matter if he is holding a fucking club.

    And I can’t do anything. Confronting a black panther can put me on the hot seat with guys like you. Would I have responded the same way to a Klan member? Why did I take notice of the panther in the first place? He looks just like Obama’s son, after all. What’s my deal? Lets investigate. What are my thoughts?

  322. Uh oh here come those New Black Panthers again … all 3 of them.

    One question, Rutherford. How many white men did it take to drag James Byrd to death again?

  323. I understand Zimmerman’s zeal and his underlying cop-mindset bullshit. I’m sure he thought he was being a good guy.

    On the other hand, I also understand Martin’s being royally pissed at somebody following him.

    Where I thing Martin made THE mistake is jumping this guy physically. Putting myself in his place, I almost certainly would have walked over to Z, in plain view and said, “Can I help you with something? Maybe I’m wrong, but it looks like you are following me.

    Then hold out your phone, take Z’s picture and say: “I have dialed 911 and the only thing stopping me from pushing “send” is your answer to my question.”

    Z: What are you doing here? Who are you?

    Me: Who are YOU? Are you the police? Because if you are, Colonel, you’re out of uniform.

    Z: No, I’m the captain of the neighborhood watch.

    Me: OK then. So you’re just some asshole. None of your goddamned business who I am. Go fuck yourself very much, and if you continue to follow me, I’m calling the cops. Sabe, Jose Gonzalez?

    Then walk off.

    Maybe that’s what happened and Z jumped him. But we will never know; there is ONE real witness and that’s Z. One thing for sure, the neighborhood watchmen will be much more careful from now on – nationwide, even though every body (nearly) in the whole country knows this is a kangaroo trial.

  324. “Rabbit, but if I saw a close cropped white dude sporting tattoos wearing a wife beater shirt my radar might go off too.”

    I got no problem with that. If myself ever shows up uninvited to my house, I’m hitting me over the head with my concrete filled aluminum bat.

  325. Why should I “care” if I profile people? You’re damn straight I profile people – only dumb asses, idiots bad at statistics and weak members of the herd don’t profile people. Not profiling people is the dumbest tactic of all. Even animals “profile.”

    When I see a gang of young black men dressed in hoodies, with their underwear hanging out of their pants, or a gang of black women for that matter now, I immediately go on guard.

    Only a moron wouldn’t. But I’m the same way when I board a plane. If I see some Imam dressed in the Abu garb, you think I’m not going to be keeping a watchful eye on him over the black granny, or the brown kid sitting across the aisle?

    By the way, if Zimmerman was a white Hispanic, would Obama be considered a white African-American? :neutral:

    See how stupid people have become in the name of the political correctness you apparently wish us to serve?

  326. “I got no problem with that. If myself ever shows up uninvited to my house, I’m hitting me over the head with my concrete filled aluminum bat.”

    See this is one reason I can’t help but like you. That was funny as hell. :lol:

  327. I think there’s an important line Rutherford may have missed in this ordeal. And it has nothing to do with Trayvon™ but history of the neighborhood.

    Zimmerman’s line paraphrased as he had called police to begin with, “He’s getting away it. They always get away with it…”

    See Rutherford, there’s a reason Trayvon™ was being followed. There obviously was a long history of black thieves stealing from the neighborhood. Happens all over America. Blacks have a well earned reputation for being thugs, drug dealers and thieves and there’s a reason for that. So many of them are. :wink:

    Rutherford, I would care to wager your life is a lot more like Tex’s life than Trayvon’s™ life. I think you’re minimizing the quality of the character in this ordeal. Trayvon’s™ own mother’s behavior has been shameful and disgraceful throughout this ordeal. I guarantee you she’s an older Rachel Jenteal – ignorant and hateful.

    Had this been a black man with Rutherford’s background and history, I would probably be siding with the prosecution. But Rutherford would also have been smart enough to follow Pfesser’s scenario there.

    That’s not to excuse cracka. There’s even more white punks and thieves due to demographic numbers, but I don’t remember seeing white mobs of thugs and thieves.

    Seems every week I’m reading of black mobs ransacking the mall, beating up white tourists in Chicago, shooting each gangland style, etc…

    It’s basically like radical Islam – you got a major problem in the black community with racism, irresponsibility and abhorrent behavior. And that’s just the adults.

  328. Bob: “Did you hear about the Obama administration scandal?”
    Jim: “You mean the Mexican gun running?”
    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Love it. Stealing it.

  329. One of the things I do like about the internet is that with a little bit of work one can find the nuggets of truth of even the most rabid partisan showmanship.
    One I liked stumbling upon today was the story about the Los Angeles Unified School District getting a grant of near a million dollars to have teachers and staff do pro ObamaCare outreach. Training will also be conducted so the students can go home and extol the virtues of the program.
    Now there is obvious digs on this from the right but ultimately you can source right back to the organization helping to push the exchanges etc in CA.
    The truth of the matter is that the Left really is as insidious as it accuses the Right of being,
    Good night folks.
    The credible source btw is page 28 of this pdf

  330. I regret totaling a nice car that my dad restored (doing much of the work himself). Other regrets too, losses, failures. Some were necessary to successes and joys that followed, but some were just plain stumbles. Mostly though I regret wasting time. It goes by so fast.

  331. R, your 406 is a jumble of thoughts I guess tied to the SYG law. I don’t follow. Scopes? We’re talking about testing facts, not law. Got any other prosecutorial overreach cases other than Duke Lacross or some of the witch-hunt community child molestation cases to rebut whatever point you seem to think I made?

    Any chance you’re going to make your case?

  332. Remember five years ago, when they sang sing praises? Don’t ever think Germans can’t be equally as dumb as Americans…they’re not cheering and genuflecting now.

    The Obama administration faced a breakdown in confidence Sunday from key foreign allies who threatened investigations and sanctions against the U.S. over secret surveillance programs that reportedly installed covert listening devices in European Union offices.

    Graychin likes a little Schadenfreude? While, if the old man still visits, I’m laughing at you and your Dear Leader, turd. The egg is on your face, and you sir, are a moron…

  333. The man in charge of policing waste, fraud and abuse at the federal government’s third-largest department has been accused of suppressing a politically sensitive report, violating anti-nepotism laws and misusing agency resources, according to a letter from the Senate Committee on Homeland Security.

    Charles Edwards, Deputy Inspector General at the Department of Homeland Security and de facto head of the office, was ordered by Missouri Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill and Wisconsin Republican Sen. Ron Johnson to provide sixteen separate document sets related to the allegations by July 19.

    “This is supposed to be the most transparent administration in history, but we’re seeing a real pattern of this White House and their Secretaries applying pressure to inspectors general to whitewash reports,” Johnson said in an interview with The Daily Caller News Foundation.

  334. Per MSNBC…

    “It’s been a little scary. Sometimes it’s like she’s speaking Hungarian, and he’s speaking Cantonese. She’s been articulate, just in a different kind of English than mainstream English, she’s speaking Black English. Everything she says, where you can see the Twittersphere, or people I know thinking she’s making a grammatical mistake. If a Martian came down and the Martian happened to be in South-Central rather than in Grand Rapids, the Martian would have as hard a time figuring out how this dialect worked as any other. She said in the clip that ‘I had told you.’ Many people are thinking, ‘why is she using that?’ That’s Black English.”

  335. I wonder, are there times when nigger is appropriate?

    It made sense for Trayvon Martin to call George Zimmerman a “cracker,” according to Columbia University professor John McWhorter.

    McWhorter, a professor of linguistics and a contributing editor to The New Republic, was a guest on MSNBC‘s ‘All In with Chris Hayes‘ on Thursday night, where he expounded on the Zimmerman murder trial. McWhorter proclaimed it somehow acceptable that Trayvon Martin had supposedly called Zimmerman a “cracker.”

    “Of course he might refer to the person as a cracker because he’s a human being,” McWhorter said, explaining that Martin might have felt threatened by Zimmerman following him.

    “I think we can understand that cracker may have been an appropriate term at the time,” he added.

  336. What?

    After Trayvon Martin‘s friend and witness for the prosecution Rachel Jeantel wrapped up her two days of testimony in the George Zimmermanmurder trial, Al Sharpton and his two guests examined how she might help or hurt the State of Florida’s case. Noting that, according to Jeantel, Martin used both the “n-word” and the term “creepy-ass cracker” to describe Zimmerman, Sharpton wondered, “does one cancel or balance the other?”

  337. We are back home for a few days as our son-in law’s mother takes over to help.

    Our daughter and son-in law have endured a pregnancy of possible Downs Syndrome, no nasal bone, pre-eclampsia, embilical cord wrapped around the neck, possible still birth, misplaced placenta, and possible microcephaly. Doctors were wrong about the nasal bone and Downs Syndrome. She sees doctors twice a week, and the size of her head is off the charts.

    Baby wasn’t thriving and she was losing weight. She cried incessently. Suddenly, she seems happier, and she is eating as much she should.

    Doctors were wrong about the Downs syndrome and nasal bone, and they have no clue about what is happening. Baby has passed the physical benchmarks for a three week old, and she seems alert.Her motor skills seem fine, and she recognizes people.

    Yesterday, she watched a video of Al Stewart’s “Year of the Cat” and some of Sofia Jannok’s joiks.She stared at the camera viewer until the songs ended. She opens her eyes when I play the music.

    Doctors want to sedate her and do an MRI scan as well as a genetic test.

    Re, 438, yes, we are seeing a pattern in this government–fascism. Obama said in South Africa, i think that our press should behave itself. It isn’t the first time, he has criticized the press.

    Betsy’s page wrote that the IRS score is 292 conservative groups challenged vs 6 progressive groups.

    The newly passed Senate immigration bill would create incentives to hire immigrants rather than Americans who would be subject to Obamacare mandated insurance.

  338. G, the reaction to Jeantel from the left is almost humorous. Rather than deal with the inconsistencies and damning testimony, they’re freaking out because her demeanor is an embarrassment to urban blacks. A couple of articles posted on Drudge from HuffPo (I think) were incredulous that the defense would dare scrutinize her obvious deficiencies by questioning her about what she meant and had said in the past. In other words, what we lawyers call “cross examination.”

    Nothing about how she had been hauled into court by the prosecution, not the defense, and offered up as their “star witness.” And nothing about the fact the prosecution had sought to influence her testimony and exerted pressure in an effort to massage the testimony that was unhelpful to its case. Instead, judging her yet another heartless act of racism. Poor baby. She wants us to believe that Martin was gunned down in the streets because he was black and to question it means we just don’t understand her lingo? Pffft.

    Now if that cracker gets acquitted, let’s burn this mother fucker down!!!!

  339. Tragic. Yarnell is about 90 miles from downtown Phoenix. 18 of these were from an elite crew based out of Prescott. I don’t think I know any of them. Most of the firefighters I know are city of Phoenix or town of Glendale. All we get in the valley is the smoke from all of this and from the fires in CO, since the jet stream is tracking wildly. It has help keep our temps down a bit.

  340. ‘She’s been articulate, just in a different kind of English than mainstream English’

    “Creole Ebonics…the American Way.”

    I found a new career for you, Tex. Stand-up. F’in hilarious.

    Know why they don’t have a “Miss Ebonics USA?”

    Nobody wanted to be “Miss I-da-ho.”

  341. And I quote Robert D. Raiford: If you want to be part of America, turn your hat around, pull up your pants and speak English.

  342. The Glenn Beck show mocked Jeantel and her tweets. The defense deleted many of them. One series showed she had been drinking and taking drugs. She wrote that she might go to Hell because it was Sunday. After she got home, she thanked God that her car hadn’t hit anyone.

    She called someone As Ho.

    My favorite was when the defense asked her to read a letter she had written but she couldn’t because she can’t read cursive. The prosecutor is guilty of mal-practice if he thinks she will be a star witness for his side.

    I agree, Poolman it is tragic. We have been getting smoke from the Colorado fires for quite a while. The smoke provides good sun sets. it is cool here too–55 this morning.

  343. And I quote Robert D. Raiford: If you want to be part of America, turn your hat around, pull up your pants and speak English.

    On the one hand PF, my new job has me agreeing with you. On the other hand, WTF is this — the Borg on Star Trek? Resistance is futile?

  344. Today is my day off — this coming week will be pure hell. Do you have any idea what it is like to tell someone stuck in 100+ heat that it will take an hour for a tow truck to arrive? The temps rise, more cars fail, more trucks needed and they get backed up, and chaos ensues.

    Thank God I’m charming. ;-)

  345. Maybe not the Borg, Rutherford, but close. A culturally unified nation needs a common language and shared attitudes and values. The Europeans are learning fragmentation weakens a society though multiculturalism adds variety and richness under shared values. Many Europeans are multi- lingual.

    If you are American, speak English or German if you live in Germany.

  346. Rutherford, I’ll bet they thank you for getting the truck there in two hours after you convince them that were it not for you, they would be waiting until next Wednesday.

  347. Rutherford – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Raiford

    He offers commentary on the JohnBoy and Billy Big Show in Charlotte. He is an old biker, actor, technophobe and all-around curmudgeon. Doesn’t do email; if you want an answer, you have to write him.

    That was part of his on-air response to a young man who wrote to him complaining that he couldn’t find a job because of such trivialities as his English, his dress, his hat, his saggy pants.

  348. I thought you had Wednesdays off? No matter. Expecting hell, eh? Yeah, it’s out there. Guaranteed. A one hour delay is only a teeny taste of discomfort.

  349. I cringed as I watched Rachel Jeantel on the stand. Just what blacks need — another negative image to reinforce some white’s already poor opinion of blacks.

    She was the last person to talk to Trayvon and unfortunately she’s already been caught lying twice. There’s a better than 50% chance she is learning disabled. This is one reason perhaps why trials should not be televised. She doesn’t need this kind of notoriety.

  350. “This is one reason perhaps why trials should not be televised. She doesn’t need this kind of notoriety.”

    She wouldn’t have had it if it weren’t for Obama and the race hustling heroes that descended to exploit her and the others.

  351. You like that G? The left decides to try Zimmerman in the press, distorts the facts in some instances and outright fabricates them in others to ensure a conviction, then cries foul when his accusers are put on the stand and appear unflattering and full of shit in a televised trial.

  352. All I can go by is what you guys have mentioned. I don’t watch this stuff. I think we need to address the Rachel Jeantel situation. This is a cross section of what America is. This is the fruit of our toil. This is the future of this nation.

    Put on a critical eye and get to the root of the problem. This society has been destroyed from the inside out, and poor kids, mostly urban blacks, appear the most susceptible to the destruction of our moral core. Bad upbringing, bad environment, lack of mentors and good examples, little opportunities for good and plenty provided for bad. Marketed to from birth to want unhealthy fast food fixes and designer wear often made by child laborers in foreign lands. Many are catered to by government that both rewards and penalizes them, often requiring dishonesty to receive a benefit.

    Look no further than our daily influences and our reward systems. These have been altered over time to promote immorality. Our leaders cheat and lie and profit from their positions of power. We mostly shrug it off and have come to expect it. Violence and sex, both real and virtual are an everyday American theme. Look at the media and our virtual diversions. We idolize bad and market images promoting death and evil. We see evil as tough and enviable. Our values are totally skewed and continue to be eroded. Then we wonder why we can’t get good results. Why are kids are so messed up.

    I know this whole trial is designed to further divide us. That is why it is front of stage right now and the media is pimping it. It raises anger and mob mentality. No matter the verdict, we all lose.

  353. Jeantel’s testimony is one of – if not the – main attraction in these court proceedings. The more I see the more I think these charges are a real CYA move on the part of the state attorney et al. I don’t think anyone from the state particularly cares if Zimmerman is convicted or not – the goal here is to assuage the gathering storm clouds. One man’s freedom is worth the gamble of getting the case before the public – for which televising it is a must. If it backfires then Z goes to jail for the rest of his life and nothing is quelled anyway.

    This whole thing is pretty ominous. It sucks to be a downhill slide all the time.

  354. Because she was a horrible witness, now she’s retarded?

    See this, Pfesser? :twisted: I think the one thing I enjoy about this room more than any other is that every regular, yourself included, can be funny as hell. Classic. :lol: It ranges from James’ dry sense of humor, to embellishing story tellers like you and me. Even Poolman and Rutherford can be funny. Fat Grannies not only lacks brains, it is completely void of humor. I don’t know about you, but when I am in there baiting the wenches, half the time I’m dropping bombs just to imagine the look on their faces when they read it. :lol:

    Truthfully, the humor is exactly what keeps me coming back.

    I just had my myocardial perfusion test, substituting for the annual race until you drop treadmill, and when that scan kept closing in on me, I went to land of naked women which pulled me through. I was going to give them about two more minutes laying there on that tissue paper before I was going to attempt to bench press their scanning machine with my legs. What a pain in the ass…and the right shoulder.

  355. “Because she was a horrible witness, now she’s retarded?”

    No actually, your putting words in my mouth makes you retarded.

    She is a couple of grades behind in school and cannot read cursive handwriting. That in my book makes her a candidate for learning disability, not necessarily retardation.

    P.S. I gave you a shoutout today on what was the last weekly edition of Leaning Left.

  356. S”he is a couple of grades behind in school and cannot read cursive handwriting. That in my book makes her a candidate for learning disability, not necessarily retardation.”

    That in my book still makes her a fucking genius compared to Biden.

  357. Tex – hate to tell you, but you ain’t going to bench press the nuke camera. Just the collimator (a lens of sorts) is about 300#. They generally run them up and down with a jackscrew, so you can’t move that either. It’s a safety measure because the damned thing is so heavy. If people had any idea how heavy it is, they wouldn’t ever get under it, and certainly not let them screw it down against their chest.

    GE made a neat counterbalanced deal several years ago, but it fell by the wayside. One thing about gravity: it never fails.

  358. Poolman poor people eating junk is as much economics as declining culture. I just watched a show on hunger in America last night and you can simply buy more junk with the same money as quality food. So a single mother at poverty level can choose to keep her kids full on garbage or have them go hungry as she rations out healthful food to them.

  359. Government’s to blame for that. Cheap corn syrup and subsidies. Have you checked out some of the absolute crap that passes as edible food stuffs nowadays? Pretty sad and low on the nutrition scale. Then we push sodas everywhere, including school. We’re killing our kids slowly but true.

  360. Muffy makes a very valid point which I suppose is at the heart of Tigre’s indigestion.

    We tend to forget the initial facts of the case:

    1. Apparently white man with Jewish sounding last name kills unarmed black minor.

    2. Sanford PD has very bad history with blacks.

    3. Said Sanford PD declines to arrest man listed in point 1.

    This is certainly enough to make it a big local story.

    Which stories go national depends on what sells. The national media found this juicy and yes certain “advocates” in the media pounced on it.

    We also have two other facts that delayed a more realistic portrayal.

    1. Trayvon was not carrying his Twitter feed or his backpack with jewelry and screw driver with him. He was at first blush just an innocent black kid in a neighborhood he had every right to be in.

    2. Zimmerman for reasons that boggle the mind declined to seek medical help until the next day, making the extent of his injury subject to debate.

    If we all knew in the first 24 hours what we know now (me included) we would have brought a different POV to the case.

    BTW Muffy why do hundreds of little black girls go missing and it never goes national but if a blond blue eyed cutie doesn’t come home for dinner, it’s on Brian Williams? The media knows what sells.

  361. “Which stories go national depends on what sells. The national media found this juicy and yes certain “advocates” in the media pounced on it.”

    I think it’s deeper and more insidious than that. The media decides what sells, as opposed to being in touch with what sells.

  362. If people had any idea how heavy it is, they wouldn’t ever get under it, and certainly not let them screw it down against their chest.

    I kind of suspected that I wasn’t going to have much success pushing against that piece of steel above my chest – not for not giving it the old college try, though. When I saw them unloading those monsters with a portable crane at the hospital once, I kind of figured I was outmatched. :neutral:

    But if I had to lay there much longer, I’ll bet I could crawdadded out the back with the best of them. Dolphin kicking out the back. Even pictures of naked women can only take me so far when squeezed between a metal table and a popping piece of steel about to touch my nose.

  363. Poolman poor people eating junk is as much economics as declining culture. I just watched a show on hunger in America last night and you can simply buy more junk with the same money as quality food.

    Since I shop a lot since I’m a bachelor, that’s not necessarily true, Rutherford.

    You an buy a spinach or broccoli salad, spaghetti and Ragu far cheaper than you can buy a gallon of ice cream, potato chips and two packages of Snickers bars. Shit from the bakery will cost you an eye and both ears. But most green vegetables are still reasonably priced. Brown rice, beans and soup are still reasonably cheap. Even hamburger is cheaper than a lot of the snack food.

    Rachel hasn’t been feeding that oxen ass with leafy vegetables. You don’t see a bunch of lard ass Asians running around and they consume what many of us would consider junk food like white rice by the bushel.

    Now if they’re dabbling in Little Debbie’s snack cakes, maybe. You move over to Hostess, Russel Stover and the like, and the prices go up substantially. :smile: I know, because like Rachel Jeantel, I like junk food, bakery cakes, cinnamon rolls, frozen Snicker bars, and chocolate sundaes. I just don’t eat them with every meal, then tune into BET for the evening before putting on the size 44 Ho Jammies to carouse about.

    However, I would agree that fruit is damn expensive to purchase. I bought some raspberries, blueberries, pears, and blackberries this weekend and felt like I needed to mortgage the house.

  364. My only question to Tex is where can I go to take this medical test that involves pics of naked women?

    A place a man of your limited abilities can’t possibly ever hope to reach to such collosal heights…

    IN MY HEAD… ♫ ♫. I have few talents. But an incredibly vivid imagination, especially about female nakedness, is one of them… :razz:

  365. .”I just watched a show on hunger in America last night and you can simply buy more junk with the same money as quality food.”

    If you have access to a grocery store…that is false. In fact, considering how nutritious beans, lentils and rice are, its ridiculously false.

    That being said, there are people without that access because nobody in there right would ever open a large business in those savage places.

  366. “Those savage places”

    Seriously Rabbit how do you feel about the innocent people (including children) who live in those savage places?

  367. “But then aren’t we a bit culpable as the buyer?”

    As Alfie always reminds us…we aren’t the buyer, we’re the product.

    He says that regarding Facebook, but the same principle applies.

    Advertisers are the buyers.

  368. There is a method to the madness. The more desperate people become, the more ugly and savage it gets. Mobs form and the haves are obligated to protect themselves from the have nots. The collective fears mobs and quickly establishes departments and budgets are set up for these problems under the guise of security with no real plan to fix them, rather to best maintain and control them. It is the cold war, the war on poverty, the war on drugs, the war on crime, the war on terror (model) taking us into a state of perpetual war. A war against peace.

    Fast food and this pepsi generation have been killing our collective health along with the toxic world we wrought. First it was the lead in the gas taking decades to alleviate, with the DDT sprayed on us and our produce. Pesticides and pharmaceuticals in our food and water supplies. Now tainted with petroleum products we all ingest, retaining most, while continuous frequency waves bombard us from cellular transmissions. There is more mounting proof of cancers related to cell phones and all around wifi, especially in the developing youth category, but these studies have been done in other countries and don’t make our news.

    It’s a good thing life is resilient, so far surviving this hellish onslaught.

  369. Jesus Christ R…

    We tend to forget the initial facts of the case:

    1. Apparently white man with Jewish sounding last name kills unarmed black minor.

    2. Sanford PD has very bad history with blacks.

    3. Said Sanford PD declines to arrest man listed in point 1.

    Again, your entire argument is centered on race. Entirely.

    Initial facts of the case are:

    1. Man 1 confronts man 2.

    2. Fight between Man 1 and man 2.

    3. Man 1 shoots Man 2, who then dies.

    I don’t need any fucking racial identity markers to examine this case. That’s the entire point. It should not matter one iota who’s race was what. Are you claiming this was a hate crime? Do you think Zimmerman would have acted any different if it had been some “creepy-ass cracker” (apparently the PC translation of ‘white’ to all black people)?

    At some point, do you ever stop and just consider how biased you are?

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