The Second Term Curse

You have to go back to January 20, 1961 to find a US President who didn’t screw the pooch in his second term. Nixon had Watergate and resignation. Reagan had Iran-Contra and taped testimony that made him look old and feeble (foreshadowing the Alzheimer’s that would eventually take his life). Clinton had Monica Lewinsky and an impeachment trial. George W. Bush had Hurricane Katrina and a financial meltdown that at least for the time being puts his presidency among the ranks of Buchanan, Harding and Hoover.

I can’t speak for all liberals but both times that I voted for Barack Obama I never dreamed his second term would melt down like those before him. There are two schools of thought about Obama. One claims he is an evil thug (turn to Fox News for that story). Another says he is asleep at the wheel. I tend to believe the latter. This is a man who, for reasons that escape me, still has not learned that the presidency is about leadership. It’s about knowing what the hell is going on around you. It’s about activity, not just passively relying on your daily briefing. As a non-sports fan, I’ll risk using a sports metaphor and say that Obama seems to think the MVP on the basketball team is the dude who can pass the ball to the best shooter. Obama never seems to go for the slam dunk himself. He passes to Pelosi (look at ACA) or he passes to Biden (gun control). Now he’s got three “scandals” on his hands that he needs to take the lead on if he is to maintain any credibility.

Benghazi up until this week was a tragedy exploited for political gain. Then a memo from one of Hillary Clinton’s flunkies surfaced that spelled out the petty politics at the heart of the matter. No, contrary to the opinion of Republicans who are in permanent denial about the implausibility of a Mitt Romney presidency, there was no attempt to tamp down the terrorist aspect for the sake of Obama’s reelection. The memo from Victoria Nuland (which has been in the hands of Congress for some time but strangely only surfaced this past week) spells out the reason for sanitizing the CIA talking points. She wanted to save face for the State Department. So the American people were lied to over petty office politics. Not even big stakes electoral politics. The equivalent of the software development team spinning the bad message from the testing team about the lousy code they produce.  Had the GOP proceeded with moderation, the memo could have seen the light of day sooner and Nuland could have been fired as the appropriate sacrificial lamb for the lie perpetrated on the American people. Bottom line, despite the overplay by the GOP, the truth about the Benghazi talking points are a supreme insult to the memory of Ambassador Chris Stevens.

The IRS is caught targeting right-wing groups for added scrutiny. Something right out of the Nixon playbook, although as I said earlier, I doubt this goes as far up as Obama. I think Obama is innocently or willfully ignorant of the shenanigans going on around him. Now let’s be perfectly clear, some of the groups targeted ARE full of horse manure, applying for tax exempt status as a community service when they are a pure political organization. The problem is that they were targeted based on profiling. It’s like pulling over the black guy cos you think he’s more likely to have committed a crime. It’s immoral. It’s indefensible.

The Justice department is caught listening in on the calls of the Associated Press, encompassing the conversations of some 100 journalists, at least some of whom are talking with confidential informants. The excuse is that Eric Holder and company were cracking down on leaks that could endanger national security. But let’s be honest here. Washington is hardly leak proof when it comes to national security, particularly if the leak makes the administration look tough on terrorism. Where I come from, conservatives intimidate the press, not liberals. But then again, where I come from conservatives drone-kill innocent 16-year-old boys, not liberals.

What the hell is going on?

And the best my beloved news source MSNBC can do is say “all the presidents have done it” or “Nixon did it” or “Bush did it and where was the Republican outcry then?” Are you kidding me? The best you can do in defense of this presidency is say he is just like every lousy president before him? Didn’t we hope for more?

I don’t know where we go from here. Obama clearly needs to fire a few folks. Credibility needs to be restored. And MSNBC needs to catch up with the rest of the press who are not so enamored of our historic President right now. We need to be honest and say this stuff stinks to high heaven and we need to clean it up. Stop making excuses. Stop covering up. One common theme to the second term curse is that the cover up is always worse than the crime. Obama better wake the hell up and start managing his administration or he will find himself right down there with Bush, Buchanan, Harding and Hoover.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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561 thoughts on “The Second Term Curse

  1. {Obama better wake the hell up and start managing his administration or he will find himself right down there with Bush, Buchanan, Harding and Hoover.}

    The soft bigotry and double standards of liberalism. :lol: Where do I start? Shoot, let’s just stay with the oldest one.

    Overzealous Republicans pursuing Benghazi?

    We’re eight months into the investigation. The flunky was a two time Obama voter who had never received a bad performance review. He became a flunky when his jaw hit the floor as the entire Obama Administration, including Obama, lied about Benghazi not to protect the State Dept., but to protect Obama more than two weeks after the fact. They jailed a man for a video where he still resides in jail today.

    Eight months later and well after the election was won, the “flunky” was finally seated before Congress to testify. Remember, Obama told us that Al Qaeda had been decimated. Since then, 20 Middle East countries are now at war with Al Qaeda front and center. Three dead and 260 lay injured in Boston.

    But even if you accept all the bad assumptions and approve of the twisted distortions of your history as you just made in your defense of Obama, Mr. Rutherford, the best you can say is that Obama is completely incompetent and completely unnecessary – detached from responsibility of governing, incapable of managing.

    For the debt alone, Obama has proven far more incompetent than George Bush was on his worst day. For every Katrina, I give you one Sandy. I give you GITMO. I give you Obamacare. I give you Deep Water Horizon. I give you a failed trillion dollar stimulus. I give you the lowest workforce participation rates since the statistic kept. I give you one in five families on food stamps and growing five years after Obama elected first time. I give you drones and I give you GITMO. And maybe one that goes unnoticed more than it should: Twice the number of soldiers killed in Afghanistan in half the time of the predecessor – the good war.

    I’m afraid there is only one President who was ever in the running for this level of incompetence. And ironically, the last ambassador to die was under his one term.

    I present you Mr. Jimmy Carter. And Obama’s will be used in the same sentence before this is through.

  2. I have a third option. Obama is engaged, at least in a general way. He learned as early as Chicago to let others make the foot prints so he escapes the blame. He can ask as Erile “Did I do that?”

    As for Benghazi, saving face of the State Department was by extension, saving face for Obama. The ultimate scandal aside from lies about the YouTube video is our administration’s failing to provide requested security for months.

    You are wrong about the stakes, Rutherford. It was big stakes not little stakes politics. A Romney presidency was a distinct possibility as the administration feared. Polls were in Romney’s favor for awhile. I believe this goes higher than Victoria Nuland, Sacrificial lambs shouldn’t suffice. I think this goes up to Hillary. At the very least she was running the department, and such a serious breach was her responsibility. Responsibility used to be more than an empty word.

    I agree about the second term curse.

    As I wrote before, information about Obama was available, and it showed he would turn out as he has. Its a pity the press was less motivated to learn what I knew than it was to besmirch Sarah Palin.

    I agree with most of the rest, but you should have added Jimmy Carter.

    I could quibble about Hoover. Democrats blocked some of his solutions to the Depression for partisan reasons and later used them after they won the election.

  3. You can’t “restore” what you never had, and all he ever had was “Hope”

    Good point, BIC. Of course, Obama did promise us the most transparent administration in history too. Remember all those promises of websites we could read before the votes taken? :smile: I’ll bet it would make for a humorous retort to simply take all the promises Obama made and compare those promises to the actual results five years later.

    So even if Obama had promised credibility instead of platitudes of the profundity of Yes We Can! and false promises that clearly he had no idea how to keep, if transparency any indicator, there would have been no fruit borne in the promises of credibility either. I guess Obama was smart not to mention “credibility.”

    There is simply no denying now that Obama in addition to being disingenuous, corrupt and incompetent, is way out of his league at even the most basic of day-to-day Presidential tasks. He obviously has no intent or skill of managing the country, issue number one the economy they don’t even mention anymore, and Obama has let his minions and donors run wild with every pet issue. Everything from thieves to jackboots is running this administration.

    If the MSM were not in Obama’s court, this disaster would have ended in 2010.

    Worse, those surrounding Obama are equally as corrupt, equally as incompetent, and equally as dishonest. Look at what is happening in Chicago with Emanuel running the show – and Emanuel is the smartest of the Obama lackeys.

    Obama knows how to do one thing really well. Well that is besides to how to spend other people’s money. Obama is a hell of a campaigner. If you want somebody to pander for money, Obama is your man.

  4. “This is a man who, for reasons that escape me, still has not learned that the presidency is about leadership.”

    Because he doesn’t know HOW to be a leader. We have screamed this from the top of our lungs at you for more than 5 years, Rutherford.

    Like BIC said…Obama’s resume was empty. You wouldn’t have hired such an empty resume to lead your company, yet you hired him twice to lead our nation.

    “It’s about activity, not just passively relying on your daily briefing.”

    Obama doesn’t always get daily briefings. He thinks he’s smarter than all of those guys.

  5. I think my favorite defense of Obama is Axelrod saying that he can’t know everything that is going on in the government because the government is just so darn big….

  6. I think my favorite defense of Obama is Axelrod saying that he can’t know everything that is going on in the government because the government is just so darn big….

    Think that would fly with any failed CEO in a multinational corporation as excuse to the shareholders as the company filed bankruptcy? Think the Exec V.P.s overseeing the divisions would still be in position?

    When Obama was hired to do the ‘big turnaround’, he campaigned on and promised in three years he’d do it or he would no longer be qualified to be President any longer. We’re now into the fifth year and the balanced sheet is worse while still waiting. This is year number four of the Summer recovery.

    Obama promised to halve the annual deficit in four; he doubled it. He promised to win the ‘good war'; he lost it. He promised to restore America’s good name; the middle east is on fire; he criticized Bush for GITMO and promised to close it; it’s still open; he deplored ‘enhanced interrogation’ as torture then invoked drones to kill anybody within distance; he promised transparency and operates in secret.

    I knew the good Rutherford wouldn’t last. But there will come a day I predict when even Rutherford will throw up his hands in disgust and maybe admit he’s tired of defending.

  7. That defense is at least as old as Jimmy Carter. Back then pundits fretted about the difficulty of managing such a large government. Someone suggested a co president,

    Such talk evaporated after Reagan became president. He, unlike Carter and Obama, was big enough for the job.

  8. “Think that would fly with any failed CEO in a multinational corporation as excuse to the shareholders as the company filed bankruptcy? Think the Exec V.P.s overseeing the divisions would still be in position?”

    But the real kicker is that Axelrod actually made the point the opposition has been trying to make since 2010…that the government is too damn big.

    It seems that David Axelrod is actually a closet Tea Partier.

    Kiss 2014 goodbye, Dems.

  9. LOL

    Did anyone tell Victoria Nuland she was the most powerful human being on planet Earth after the Benghazi attack?

    Yup. Victoria Nuland, folks.

    Victoria Nuland personally influenced the relationship between Libya and the U.S.

    Victoria Nuland single handedly had so much clout that not only did she force the Commander in Chief to use her homebrewed talkiing points, Victoria Nuland unleashed Hillary Clinton to spread her lies in front of the UN. Can you believe that?

    In fact, Victoria Nuland somehow highjacked the entire State Department, hindered an FBI investigation and neutered
    the C.I.A.

    Victoria Nuland even was able to rush Rice onto 3 different Sunday talk shows. I mean, when Victoria Nuland speaks, its time to bust out the megaphone.

    Victoria Nuland forced Obama to give a speech to the entire world about the dangers of hurtful videos uploaded on youtube!!!!!

    Victoria Nuland has so much swagger, top officials lied to the faces of grieving family members of the dead.

    Lets play black jack.

    You have two David Howell Petraeus, one of clubs, one of diamonds.

    No no no…not so fast….don’t reach for that pot.

    I have a David Petraeus of Spades and a Victoria Nuland.

    21, bitches!

    Holy shit, do you think there is a Victoria Nuland type character in the IRS? My God, 16,000 new IRS agents are being hired for Obamacare.

    What if a Victoria Nuland somehow used your political background against you and withheld funding for medical treatment. That couldn’t happen, could it?

    Wait a minute…there are Victoria Nuland’s all over the place. They spearhead massive spy operations on the press. They sell anti aircraft guns to Mexcian drug cartels.

    Victoria Nuland is everywhere and she can’t be stopped. Noooooooooooooooo!

  10. Holder just called Issa “shameful.”

    Evidently, he doesn’t think the head of the House Oversight Committee should be conducting….oversight.

  11. Anybody remember Anita Dunn calling FOX News “not really a news organization” but it died when even the MSM called Obama and Dunn on it? Obama was front and center on leading that charge and tried to demonize FOX numerous times for the camera. Didn’t work.

    You’d have to be a Thor type to believe Obama isn’t behind using the IRS as brownshirts to punish his enemies that are on his “list”. You’ll really like the IRS come 2014 when they begin enforcing Obamacare.

    It’s a pattern that has been in the works for several years with Obama and Axelrod.

    Obama’s elections have been notorious for dragging out the personals of his opponents: divorce records, child custody haggling, etc… They had a real problem with Romney because Romney’s record so clean.

    So they concocted the Harry Reid garbage about Romney not paying taxes and the war on women,

    This crowd of Obama and Company is straight out of fascism with a large dose of Marxism thrown in for good measure.

  12. What if a Victoria Nuland somehow used your political background against you and withheld funding for medical treatment. That couldn’t happen, could it?

    The real question is how many people will have to die because of it before it is even acknowledged, and how many more will have to die after that before something is actually done about it?

  13. Glen Beck was once disreputable source, but not now. He discussed a German family who applied for asylum in the United States because the government threatened to take their children since they were being home schooled and taught religion., I think the law was in place to prevent Muslim extremism.

    A court ruled in their favor, and they now teach music and pay taxes here. Eric Holder ruled against them and said there is no inherent right to home school or to teach religion. He wants to send them home but accepts people on the dole who came here illegally.

    The case will probably go to the Supreme Court and by itself doesn’t mean much to the rest of us. It is merely another sign that socialistic fascists are attempting to usurp our way of life.

  14. I told you that Jean Staddard, a Republican won a decisive victory over Mayor Suttle in a contentious campaign. Her husband is the medical director of fire department , and he helped save the life of one of the Von Maurer shooting victims.

    After his wife was elected to the city council, he said that to avoid the appearance of nepitism he would retain his job without pay.

    Jean was elected last night, so the fire chief told the World Herald that Dr. Stattard was being fired.He told the paper before he notified Dr.Staddard. One of our son- ln law’s friends works with the doctor at his paid job in the hospital and likes him.

    This is a miniscule local event, but once again it illustrates the pettiness of our current crop of progressive Democrats and their union allies.

  15. Adding to the meltdown, Rutherford, I see that the “detainees” at Guantanamo, after (some of them) being held for eleven years without charge or trial, have begun to “act out,” in the words of the guards. They have developed this innovative cocktail of feces, urine and blood which they throw on the guards whenever possible.

    They are also on hunger strike, most of them, but some are being strapped to chairs and force-fed through nasogastric tubes forced down their throats. Of course, the Ensure they are being fed is hypertonic and causes their shrunken, starved stomachs to react, throwing up much of it. And it is not designed for long-term nutrition, so they will probably die anyway.

    Jesus God, cannot the American people see what we are doing – not only to these unhappy prisoners, but to ourselves? This is not the way good guys act; this is how dictators, despots, Hitlers, Germanys, Pol Pots act. This is how South American strongmen act. If you behave like a certain kind of man for so long, you become that man. Look at us. Where is Habeas Corpus? Don’t give me that, “They’re not American citizens” bullshit, either; habeas corpus predates the Magna Carta, and boys, 1215 was a long goddamned time ago.

    I’m neither a fan of Hussein nor Michele for sure, and one place where I definitely disagree with her is that, she is finally proud of America and I am finally ashamed of it. It is time for Hussein to “produce the bodies” and show cause why they are being held, and either try them or release them and close that goddamned hellhole. And by hellhole, I mean a place that is pulling my country into hell.

  16. “Has anyone told R about the EPA applying it’s fees selectively, or Kathy Sebelius calling health care companies to extort money from them to pay for ObamaCare?”

    Hell…I don’t even know about these two, yet.

    You would think I would know more since Thor has me pegged as abandoning the Detroit Tigers and watching Fox News all night with my 1 and 3 year old.

  17. Pfessor, you are sooo 2008. Democrats only bring up Gitmo when they are feigning objective criticism of Obama about once every 4 or 5 months. They used to be so passionate about those guys. Funny how it all melted away.

    That being said, I hope you are at least referring to a military trial of some sort. American trial and they all walk. Also, an unsustainable precedent will be set making our guys in the service become world cops.

    Perhaps some good old fashion Realpolitik with those stink beards’ home countries where we get documented proof on the down low that they are purged.

    Those fucks elected to abandon the Geneva Convention and join the military of an asymmetrical horde of assholes desiring a Caliphate older then your Magna Carta. They made their bed, now they can shit and piss in it. (Shit and piss bombs are thrown at guards in every prison in America, by the way.)

    No easy answers to Gitmo. Thats why I unfortunately support Obama’s drone murder. I just don’t see any other options, although I’m open to ideas.

  18. If we convict them in American courts, we do great damage to our own legal system. Damage that could end up eroding our own rights.

    Lose lose.

  19. So, the acting IRS guy who got tossed under the bus today and resigned was actually set to resign next month, anyway.

  20. Yeah. It’s official Rutherford. The emails were released tonight.

    The administration lied right after the attacks. Carney point blank said evidence does NOT point to a coordinated attack. That was a lie.

    Then, in January, Hillery Clinton lied when she said the “demonstrations/YouTube video” theory was a preliminary summery from the intelligence community. That clearly isn’t the case. While Mike Morell, Petraeus’ deputy, was more then happy to “help” the State Department out, the changes all came from the State Dep. Big lie. Lie. Lie Lie.

    The entire YouTube thing, which was inexplicably pushed harder then hell, was pure garbage. Ask yourself why they wewre so eager to almost run a YouTube theory campaign?

    Rice, who went on 5 shows Sunday (not 3 as I thought) was spreading lies. Lies. Lies Lies. It’s possible she is so stupid she didn’t even know.

    Petraeus said if those were the talking points, he’d rather not even release them at all.

    Again. It’s not up for debate anymore.

    I will agree with you on one thing. This State Department was the catalyst when it comes to the creation of the false narrative. It’s almost like they walked all over the White House and were more concerned about its own image. Obama seemed happy to oblige. The passivity of the President is stunning. As for the State Department, it’s as if the Secretary of State had her own presidential ambitions that were paramount to even collateral damage that might harm a weak and incompetent White House. Hmmmm.

  21. Obama better to prey to God we don’t end up with evidence he knew about the IRS assault on America or he is fucking done. Impeached. Good bye. Done.

  22. “The emails were released tonight.”

    If only Newt would come back here and try to defend her “you guys don’t have the whole picture because you aren’t privy to classified info” bullshit.

  23. “The emails were released tonight.”

    I am not so sure it was all of them. The first date is Sept. 14. Are we to believe there was no email communication regarding this issue for 2 full days afterward?

    My guess is that those 2 missing days are what adds the White House into the mix.

    The wheels on the bus go ’round and ’round….

  24. I hope it is obvious by now to anyone actually lurking, and not that hack lurker clown, that the whole damn Democratic party top to bottom is corrupt.

    Obama is a liar, Bill Clinton is a convicted liar, Hillary Rotten is a liar, Jay Carney is a liar, Holder is a liar, Axelrod is a liar, the voter suppression shit was a lie and in fact we’ve had numerous examples of widespread cheating by the Democrats, the daily propaganda is always based on lies, the incestuous media lapdogs are liars, lame licks like Thor are liars, and even Rutherford has been known to spread the lies.

    Systemic corruption. Either we nail everyone of these bastards or we go down with them.

  25. I just looked at the other thread and found out I’m the reason a good source of entertainment is quitting. I thoroughly enjoyed watching Thor squirm the last few weeks.

    It’s the internet. I could have easily googled Valerie Plame and pretended I remembered the ins and outs of the matter. What can I say, I forgot the details of that whole thing.

    Apparently my admitted ignorance of the role of Valerie Plame should render me silent when it comes to any opinion on what is going on with the latest array of administration cover ups and scandals . Valerie Plame is the litmus test.

    Sorry R. Your one liberal left has packed up and left. And it’s all my fault.

    *****Editor’s note: The Dead Rabbit also concedes being hazy on the details of the XYZ affair involving that french cockroach Talleyrand.

  26. “Rice, who went on 5 shows Sunday (not 3 as I thought) was spreading lies. Lies. Lies Lies. It’s possible she is so stupid she didn’t even know.”

    Kinda gives you a warm, safe feeling to know that she is going to be the next National Security Advisor, doesn’t it?

  27. Victoria Nuland is married to Robert Kagan, cofounder of PNAC. That might give perspective.

    Gitmo detainees are not chargeable with real crimes. They were turned in by people wanting to collect cash rewards. We wanted terrorists, we labeled them combatants, that’s what we paid for and set about trying to make them, we prefer they confess to terrorist crimes or plots to harm the US. We even took minors. There is no proof of crime. It’s an ongoing travesty.

    Obama has no real power, it’s perceived. This is the second term he said he wasn’t interested in, as long as he pushed through real reform. What a bunch of hooey! He’s just a puppet with a huge ego and a script. He can’t rock the boat, that wasn’t in his programming. He can only go as far as his leash.

    There is a struggle for control within these governments. The Benghazi incident was supposed to be a staged kidnap and heroic rescue for political capital, but it was foiled by opposing factions of control. These events are getting very pretty sloppy, so much so that even our dumbed down public is starting to take notice.

    Time to start naming and arresting some of these highfalutin global criminals. Too much power and secrecy = total corruption. This has got to flip and soon.

  28. So If I have read this right, its Republicans fault that Obama was dishonest because they were too aggressive and Its not Obama’s fault on the rest because he is just another bruthah at the wrong place at the wrong time not knowing what is going on………..riiiight.

  29. Holy crap … now Benghazi was supposed to be a staged kidnapping and rescue? Poolman, is there any event in the world that you DON’T believe was staged by some mysterious power broker?

  30. No Noah, you don’t have this right. There is NO excuse for the talking points being scrubbed. Republicans didn’t cause that to happen. I’m talking about the truth about Benghazi coming out in a moderated sensible manner, investigated professionally, so we could all have read the Nuland memo months ago and not this week.

    An overzealous prosecutor is no excuse for the crime that is committed, but he is the reason for the crime not getting prosecuted properly. The GOP overplayed their hand on Benghazi and IMO actually SLOWED the wheels of justice in the process.

  31. You boys and girls can ridicule Chris “Tingle” Matthews all you want but he and Joe Scarborough are the only folks on MSNBC who want answers. Matthews was visibly pissed tonight at the incompetence of this White House. While Martin Bashir and Rachel Maddow are bending over backwards with excuses, Matthews is pointing out what does and does not pass the smell test.

  32. Mr. Rutherford, the best you can say is that Obama is completely incompetent and completely unnecessary – detached from responsibility of governing, incapable of managing.

    That’s exactly what Obama is projecting at the moment and it stings.

    I can’t swear my father even voted in 2012 but he voted for Obama in 2008 only because my sister and I forced him to. He never much liked the guy and honestly I have to wonder if my Dad (older and wiser than his son) had known folks who Obama reminded him of, and he didn’t trust him.

    You boys miss the boat when you cross the line from incompetence into malicious intent. That is where I 100% disagree with you. But it pains me to ponder that the race for the POTUS has become American Idol and Obama sang better than the rest.

    I’m royally pissed because there are many like me who had high hopes for him and he’s coming off like a first class chump right now.

    Chris Matthews makes the very valid point — where the f*ck are his enforcers? If he refuses to lead then why the hell doesn’t he have folks on staff who will?

    I’m going to bed. I hope you boys are enjoying all your “I told you so’s”.

  33. “I’m talking about the truth about Benghazi coming out in a moderated sensible manner, investigated professionally, so we could all have read the Nuland memo months ago and not this week.”

    What the fuck are you talking about?

    What exactly did Republicans do that prohibited this information from coming out months ago? They have been asking for this stuff the whole time, and the ONLY reason we have them now is because some guys who got shit on spoke out last week.

    It wasn’t any “investigation” that brought this out. It was good, old fashioned CYA. Which is why we are still missing 2 days worth of emails.

  34. “In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.” – Franklin D. Roosevelt

    “The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.” – Franklin D. Roosevelt

    Poolman, is there any event in the world that you DON’T believe was staged by some mysterious power broker?

    There are no coincidences, but in the affairs of men, I’ll pay attention to some who have been there and left hints…

    “Sarah, there’s a government inside the government, and I don’t control it.” – Bill Clinton

    “The high office of President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American’s freedom, and before I leave office I must inform the citizen of his plight.” – John F. Kennedy

    “The government, which was designed for the people, has got into the hands of the bosses and their employers, the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy.” – Woodrow Wilson

    “Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the US, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.” – Woodrow Wilson

    “The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb. This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses.” – Albert Einstein

    “The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments’ plans.” – Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli of England

    “The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.” – Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli of England

    “People yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands.” – David Rockefeller

    “All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.” – David Rockefeller

    “The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” – J. Edgar Hoover

    “Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an INvisible government owing NO allegiance and acknowledging NO responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul this unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of today.” – Theodore Roosevelt

    “It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” – Henry Ford

    “The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debts.” – Henry Ford

    “The real rulers in Washington are invisible & exercise their power from behind the scenes.” – Justice Felix Frankfurter

    “I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insideous forces working from within.” – General Douglas MacArthur

    “We’re the tools &vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We’re the jumping jacks; they pull the strings & we dance. Our talents, our possibilities & our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.” – John Swinton

  35. I present to you our Police state.

    #1 At one public school down in Texas, a 12-year-old girl named Sarah Bustamantes was recently arrested for spraying herself with perfume.

    #2 A 13-year-old student at a school in Albuquerque, New Mexico was recently arrested by police for burping in class.

    #3 Another student down in Albuquerque was forced to strip down to his underwear while five adults watched because he had $200 in his pocket. The student was never formally charged with doing anything wrong.

    #4 A security guard at one school in California broke the arm of a 16-year-old girl because she left some crumbs on the floor after cleaning up some cake that she had spilled.

    #5 One teenage couple down in Houston poured milk on each other during a squabble while they were breaking up. Instead of being sent to see the principal, they were arrested and sent to court.

    #6 In early 2010, a 12-year-old girl at a school in Forest Hills, New York was arrested by police and marched out of her school in handcuffs just because she doodled on her desk. “I love my friends Abby and Faith” was what she reportedly scribbled on her desk.

    #7 A 6-year-old girl down in Florida was handcuffed and sent to a mental facility after throwing temper tantrums at her elementary school.

    #8 One student down in Texas was reportedly arrested by police for throwing paper airplanes in class.

    #9 A 17-year-old honor student in North Carolina named Ashley Smithwick accidentally took her father’s lunch with her to school. It contained a small paring knife which he would use to slice up apples. So what happened to this standout student when the school discovered this? The school suspended her for the rest of the year and the police charged her with a misdemeanor.

    #10 In Allentown, Pennsylvania a 14-year-old girl was tasered in the groin area by a school security officer even though she had put up her hands in the air to surrender.

    #11 Down in Florida, an 11-year-old student was arrested, thrown in jail and charged with a third-degree felony for bringing a plastic butter knife to school.

    #12 Back in 2009, an 8-year-old boy in Massachusetts was sent home from school and was forced to undergo a psychological evaluation because he drew a picture of Jesus on the cross.

    #13 A police officer in San Mateo, California blasted a 7-year-old special education student in the face with pepper spray because he would not quit climbing on the furniture.

    #14 In America today, even 5-year-old children are treated brutally by police. The following is from a recent article that described what happened to one very young student in Stockton, California a while back….

    “Earlier this year, a Stockton student was handcuffed with zip ties on his hands and feet, forced to go to the hospital for a psychiatric evaluation and was charged with battery on a police officer. That student was 5 years old”.

    #15 At one school in Connecticut, a 17-year-old boy was thrown to the floor and tasered five times because he was yelling at a cafeteria worker.

    #16 A teenager in suburban Dallas was forced to take on a part-time job after being ticketed for using foul language in one high school classroom. The original ticket was for $340, but additional fees have raised the total bill to $637.

    #17 A few months ago, police were called out when a little girl kissed a little boy during a physical education class at an elementary school down in Florida.

    #18 A 6-year-old boy was recently charged with sexual battery for some “inappropriate touching” during a game of tag at one elementary school in the San Francisco area.

    #19 In Massachusetts, police were recently sent out to collect an overdue library book from a 5-year-old girl.

    HERE ARE THE LINKS FOR THOSE WHO FEEL THIS PAGE MADE ALL THIS UP: (thanks Kara)

    http://www.hispanicallyspeakingnews.com/notitas-de-noticias/details/texas-student-sarah-bustamantes-12-arrested-for-spraying-perfume/13250/

    http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=15077292

    Check out this video on YouTube:http://youtu.be/wk2b_twCCdw

    http://m.guardiannews.com/world/2012/jan/09/texas-police-schools?cat=world&type=article

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/18/new.york.doodle.arrest/index.html?hpt=C1

    http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb/11/port-st-lucie-schools-confines-6-year-old-with/

    http://m.guardiannews.com/world/2012/jan/09/texas-police-schools?cat=world&type=article

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/29/nc-high-school-senior-suspended-charged-possesion-small-knife-lunchbox/#

    http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2009/june09/zero-tolerance-states.html

    http://m.tauntongazette.com/wkdTGazette/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid

    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/San-Mateo-pays-family-of-boy-pepper-sprayed-by-cop-2384518.php

    http://django.medianewsgroup.com/mobile/interstitial/?r=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.middletownpress.com%2Farticles%2F2011%2F06%2F14%2Fnews%2Fdoc4df7b12331ec9768149316.txt%3Fmobredir%3Dfalse&d=iphone

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/cops-called-for-school-kiss-657831

    http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/01/27/hercules-family-battles-playground-sex-assault-claim-against-6-year-old/

    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/01/02/charlton-library-sends-police-to-collect-overdue-books-from-5-year-old/

  36. Rutherford, I’m glad you’ve making an attempt to be honest (it’s been awhile), but let’s be real – your backed into a corner. Yes, your more honest than men like Thor and Graychin. Yes, you’re a whole lot brighter than the rest of the libs here. I already knew that.

    However, I’m not naive enough (you’ve already played your hand here) to not know the minute you feel Obama’s position threatened, you’ll be right back playing lap dog and spewing MSNBC talking points. It’s your nature, as it is Matthews – Matthews is pure hack trying to cover his own worthless ass. He was stupid then – he’s an embarrassment now trying to save face. :neutral: Matthews can drop dead for all I care. He’s unredeemed and will remain so.

    I’m not going to tell you I told you so because you still don’t get it. Benghazi was most definitely not overplayed, and in fact, guys like you are still spinning it to minimize the damage. This goes way beyond Watergate. The entire administration left four people to die through gross incompetence and mismanagement – and then lied about the reasons for at least two weeks – Obama included. It’s clear as day.

    And let’s be truthful. You’re only willing to admit as much truth as necessary so that Obama remains unscathed. You’re still in his corner as much as you were in those days you fawned over him.

    So basically it is this. Obama’s reelection was more important than truth. It was more important than four people’s lives. Hillary’s career as possible President was more important than four people’s lives. This is Lewinsky all over again, except this time, people died. The spinmeisters will now be on display later this week and the cabal of Clinton attorneys will be dragged out of the sewer to provide cover. Nothing will be accomplished in the way of managing the affairs of the nation.

    Sorry, Benghazi is the very definition of malevolent. It’s flat out humanity at its very worst at the very highest of levels.

    The entire administration is both corrupt and unmanageable. Obama should have never been elected to begin with. He is the most unqualified man to every hold the Presidency. You can deny that all you wish, but it doesn’t change the fact what Obama has accomplished has been an abject failure at every turn. Even the Osama kill was almost blown due to sheer incompetence and gutlessness.

    And if Democrats had any scruples, along with the IRS scandal which is the biggest abuse of federal power I have ever witnessed, they would ask Obama to step down and his staff with him.

    The chances of that happening are zip.

  37. Yes, Rutherford, I love saying ” i TOLD YOU SO!!” because you and others who voted for these people have let your naiviete and ideology harm this country and tarnish your political agenda.

    I feel so vindicated I visited the grannies and also wrote “I TOLD YOU SO!” ” I love the smell of ‘ vindication ‘ in the morning. It smells like victory,”

    It is petty and mean, but If we were on the Titanic and the crew ignored my ice berg warning, I would have felt satisfaction in reminding everyone I was right as we went down with the ship;

  38. Despite all the links which I have yet to review, why do I get the funny feeling Noah got his police state comment in a chain letter? :lol:

  39. I need to quit using you’re and your. Gad…I had to type quickly this morning and it shows. I still have never understood why WordPress doesn’t provide an edit function.

    That would be a simple process.

    How’s the job, “R”? Have you grown bored as all get out yet, or does it keep you interested enough that it’s tolerable?

  40. “I’m talking about the truth about Benghazi coming out in a moderated sensible manner, investigated professionally, so we could all have read the Nuland memo months ago and not this week.”

    R, what does this mean? You are reminding me of Hitler the last few months of WW2: screaming for divisions to attack Russia that don’t exist.

    They lied to you R. It’s not even up for debate anymore. Its all right there in the emails cut and dry. This has nothing to do with the GOP. Nothing to do with Sara Palin. Just lies. Nothing more.

  41. What we have now discovered about Barack Obama and Eric Holder’s America, if we didn’t already know it, is that any belief in a benign and decent government in this country is absolute horseshit. Liberalism has been revealed as a fascist joke. ~ Roger Simon

    Don’t know how anyone being honest can deny it now.

  42. Chris Matthews makes the very valid point — where the f*ck are his enforcers? If he refuses to lead then why the hell doesn’t he have folks on staff who will?

    And yet you maintain that firing someone will restore [the illusion of] credibility?

    I’d laugh if it wasn’t so damn tragic. He is as stuck as you are. If the people responsible as asked to go, they will finger him on the way out, so we’ll be stuck with half-measures, insincere apologies and bluster because the community organizer who has NEVER taken responsibility for anything negative that occurred on his watch in his life isn’t about to step up now.

    I’m starting to understand why the japanese favored seppuku…at least it offered some form of accountability. All we’re likely to see in this case is a few sacrificial lambs, and fingers being waived by the usual suspects calling us racists for expecting what we would expect from a REAL leader.

  43. Rutherford, I assume and I think with good reason, that your are a proponent of big government. Single payer, safety nets, stimulus packages, etc…

    Have you given thought to the new reality of Obama’s 1st and now 2nd term? Do you have any idea how much Obama and Holder have poisoned the well?

    You do realize that probably 60% of this country holds a deep seeded animosity towards federal government anyway? And the IRS just gave those well founded suspicions all the proof they needed that indeed not only has the federal government grown more and more intrusive, but are potentially criminal and totalitarian in nature.

    Serious question:

    Does it trouble you as a self-defined liberal that Barack Obama and Co. may have irreparably damaged the reputation of this knighted, benign government you espouse?

    Don’t you feel something besides disappointment? That maybe you’ve been used?

  44. “I’m talking about the truth about Benghazi coming out in a moderated sensible manner, investigated professionally, so we could all have read the Nuland memo months ago and not this week”

    Remember back when a moderate and sensible investigation meant one that would take time….and likely be concluded after the election?

    Now that the election is over, a moderate and sensible investigation is one that would have yielded results “months ago.”

    Every one of Obama’s many scandals took place before the election. Fast & Furious. Solyndra. Benghazi. IRS targetings. AP phone records. All of them.

    Can you imagine had this crap all come out before the election? That is a rhetorical question..because obviously we ALL can imagine. And that is why we read about most of them this week and not months ago. It doesn’t have anything to do with Mitt Romney, Darryl Issa, or Fox News.

  45. “Don’t you feel something besides disappointment? That maybe you’ve been used?”

    Why would he? After all, government is the only thing we all belong to.

  46. Good Lord, Huck. I had never heard that advertisement. Formalized cult status.

    There was a time our leaders wanted us to fear the encroachment of government. Now our Democratic leaders request us to worship, tithe and bow to government.

  47. “Formalized cult status.”

    Yep.

    It really cuts to the heart of the leftist ideology. We all belong to the government, rather than the government belongs to all of us.

  48. There is no where to run right now. If Obama and Holder are both corrupt, both aware of the IRS attacks on private citizens for their beliefs, were fucked.

    To think that the IRS is expanding to such a degree within a few months…….this is could be a nightmare.

    This IRS thing is the scariest domestic threat I’ve ever seen in my life time. I know many conservatives are kind of relishing the moment, but I have a sick feeling in my stomach. I hope to God it’s not true. Because if it is, there are no telling how many victims are out there. You have to assume there is even more IRS thuggery out there that hasn’t been reported yet.

    Sad times to be an American.

  49. Seeing as we already know that the IRS not only targeted conservatives, but also leaked their confidential information….

    …it is time to subpoena Harry Reid and ask him if his “source” that Mitt Romney didn’t pay his taxes was the IRS. And maybe even launch an investigation into the matter.

  50. To Tex’s point. R is showing honesty not because of a suddenly streak of morality has hit him. He is backed into a corner and has no other choice. I cannot give much if any credit to a guy who comes to the truth in this way. He is not so inept that it took him months longer to come to the conclusions the rest of us did.

    And not not a chain letter R. Again not that the source has anything to do with that ugly truth, wouldn’t you say? Its documented, the rest is unnecessary nonsense.

  51. HO-LY SHIT!

    Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012. But Ingram has since left that part of the IRS and is now the director of the IRS’ Affordable Care Act office, the IRS confirmed to ABC News today.

    “Her successor, Joseph Grant, is taking the fall for misdeeds at the scandal-plagued unit between 2010 and 2012. During at least part of that time, Grant served as deputy commissioner of the tax-exempt unit.

    “Grant announced today that he would retire June 3, despite being appointed as commissioner of the tax-exempt office May 8, a week ago.”

  52. As I wrote before, Huck, if this isn’t fixed, people are going to die waiting for medical care or told to take a pill as Obama said. Stay healthy and keep fit. Pray for good genes.

  53. I showed that 57 article to my wife this morning. I also got an award from the Weather Service this morning. I told the meteorologist I am 70, and his eyes grew larger, because i don’t look that old. Most of my hair is light brown, and I have 20/20 vision with no arthritis or anything worse than glaucoma in one eye.

    For those reasons, I know I could take Obama in a wrestling match.. My wife could take him too.

    I thought the same thing about our resident liberals.

  54. James, it begs the question…is your political ideology going to dictate the type of health care you get or your place in line to get it?

    We’d like to be able to scoff at such a notion, and label it absurd. But now…..

  55. Noah, I told Rutherford a while back that he was backed into a corner with few options. Whatever the motivation, I praise his new found clarity, however long it lasts. Even further back, I wrote he had change in him. He is not exactly one of them.He is better than they are.

    A NASCAR rule is you take your friends where you find them.

  56. Huck, people are already dying in the UK because the health care system needs repairs. The Canadians have less serious problems, but many come to the US for faster treatment.

    Sarah Palin overly dramatized the death panels, but they exist. Fifteen people who answer to no one will decide on a cost/benefit basis when it becomes too expensive to treat someone.DR. Ezekial Emanuel who is close to Obama said before the 2008 election that it is fair to deny medical care to the old because they had years of live when the young didn’t exist. Younger people with serious illnesses might also not deserve extra treatment.

    I also think some people want to block patients from buying extra care with their own money.

    We have seen how the IRS has played favorites, and we know they will be collecting our medical records and money. Given what has already happened, I have no doubt the government could ration treatment according to ;political ideology and support of lack of support for specific candidates.

    I may be overly pessimistic, but look at the underlying pattern behind all of these scandals. We probably should scoff at such a far fetched vision, but unless we kill the beast in a year or two, I will be looking both ways when I cross a street.

  57. Liberals will be thrilled with conservatives getting fucked over by the ACA. They’ll get a big kick out of that. It’s fucking PERFECT!

    I’m not kidding.

  58. “For those reasons, I know I could take Obama in a wrestling match.”-James

    ha ha…that cracked me up. You’d kick that menthol ash tray’s ass. I learned a long time ago in Northern California not to piss off a farm boy. Actually….dude was a logger…..

  59. I never knew James was as funny as was until a few weeks back. I still laugh about the fire bombing story when I think of it. Now that takes some nads. :lol:

    I’m telling you. You got to mind your manners around those mild mannered types. They’ll shock the hell out of you one day when they cut loose.

  60. @ Rutherford. I am tired and cannot respond to your post in the manner it deserves. I for one am actually kind of proud of you though that you are showing the whole bag o’ things from confusion,disillusion,regret,passion and more.
    Contrary to my earnest attempts to ignore the pools I must mention this:

    Poolman, is there any event in the world that you DON’T believe was staged by some mysterious power broker?

    The answer is NO!!!!!!!!!!!
    Some backgrounders though for those that may be curious but not finding it worth ones time to dive in…
    The JFK quote is bullshit. The Kennedy Library states a number of reasons it isn’t true.
    The J Edgar Hoover quote is missing the context regards communism.
    The Woodrow Wilson quote which is found in his book The New Freedom 1913 is best viewed in full context and it is in total nowhere near the conspiracy theorists manna from Ron Paul heaven bullshit all the cp’ers gobble up regards illuminati,fed etc.
    The Disraeli quote regards secret societies is again weak, the fact that it hails from one of his fictional novels as opposed to a speech before Parliament is telling.
    I will return Rutherford to leave a public and eternal tribute to your post which I thoroughly enjoyed.
    Alfie.

  61. I thought this crew would appreciate this: Sent to me by a doc friend:

    The Battling Boys of Benghazi
    (Author unknown (but appreciated))

    We’re the Battling Boys of Benghazi,
    no fame, no glory, no paparazzi,
    Just a fiery death in a blazing hell,
    defending the country we loved so well.

    It wasn’t our job, but we answered the call,
    fought to the consulate, and scaled the wall.
    We pulled twenty countrymen from the jaws of fate,
    led them to safety, and stood at the gate.

    Just the two of us, and foes by the score,
    but we stood fast, to bar the door,
    Three calls for reinforcement, but all were denied,
    so we fought and we fought, and we fought till we died.

    We gave our all for our Uncle Sam,
    but Barack Obama didn’t give a damn.
    Just two dead SEAL’s, who carried the load,
    no thanks to us — we were just “bumps in the road.”

  62. “He was just trying to find a gracious way to bow out to escape the coming storm.” -Noah

    What? You think Thor ran like a coward because of the unmitigated disaster unfolding in front of his left wing eyes?

    No, no, no…he left because Dead Rabbit is too biased and ignorant and I didn’t acknowledge that chick back in 03….shit I forgot her name again! I really did. Had I used an asterisk and footnoted my acknowledgment of Scooter Libby every time I complained about proven lies from President Obama on Benghazi, he’d still be here.

    I fully admit that I wish the liberals were still here. I want them to answer for this nightmare. It’s existential for them, really. But they are gone. Total cowards.

  63. @57 Well Tex we finally agree on something! Conservative men – Strong in body, weak in mind, and always thinking they come first! Yep I totally agree with you!!

  64. “Not enough shadenfreud.” -BiC

    That’s a great word. I had to Wikipedia it. My lexicon just improved one notch. I don’t think there is an equivalent in English.

  65. “Strong in body, weak in mind, and always thinking they come first! ”

    Very true Lurker……you liberal women definitely come first when you experience the strong conservative man for a change of pace.

    In fact, we usually don’t come at all due to your hairy pits and espresso breath.

  66. @75 In fact, we usually don’t come at all due to your hairy pits and espresso breath – DR

    DR – what do you expect when you pick up girls on the street or in those cheap bars you frequent. Try taking a bath and putting on clean clothes and you may just have better luck.

  67. “Had the GOP proceeded with moderation, the memo could have seen the light of day sooner…”

    I am still trying to figure this one out.

  68. Looks like I got poster boy riled again. Never fear. There is some doubt whether JFK did in fact make that statement. It was supposedly made at Columbia but there is no record of him speaking there. I’ll give you that and in consideration of your locale.

    This next exert is from an April 27th, 1961 speech at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel to the American Newspaper Publishers Association. The press was a bit more diverse back then. Some have tried to say he was alerting us to the spread of communism though not specifically so mentioned, but then I suppose that is one of it’s many familiar faces.

    The very word “secrecy” is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.

    (…)For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

    Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed.

    No President should fear public scrutinity of his program. For from that scrutiny comes understanding; and from that understanding comes support or opposition. And both are necessary. I am not asking your newspapers to support the Administration, but I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. For I have complete confidence in the response and dedication of our citizens whenever they are fully informed.

    I not only could not stifle controversy among your readers– I welcome it. This Administration intends to be candid about its errors; for as a wise man once said: “An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it.” We intend to accept full responsibility for our errors; and we expect you to point them out when we miss them.

    Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed– and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the First (emphasized) Amendment– the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution– not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and sentimental, not to simply “give the public what it wants”–but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mold educate and sometimes even anger public opinion.

    This means greater coverage and analysis of international news– for it is no longer far away and foreign but close at hand and local. It means greater attention to improved understanding of the news as well as improved transmission. And it means, finally, that government at all levels, must meet its obligation to provide you with the fullest possible information outside the narrowest limits of national security…

    (…)And so it is to the printing press–to the recorder of mans deeds, the keeper of his conscience, the courier of his news– that we look for strength and assistance, confident that with your help man will be what he was born to be: free and independent.

  69. Ladies and Gentlemen, here is the exact reason why I accuse the GOP of over zealous prosecution of Benghazi. From the little coverage I’ve watched, the 100 page dump of emails only proves what I said in the first place — office politics caused the talking points to change. Here is what the 100 page dump doesn’t prove:

    Obama watched Stevens die live from the situation room.
    Obama responded to attack by telling folks, leave me alone I’m sleeping.
    Stevens begged for more security and was denied — news flash — two unidentified gov officials reveal that Stevens was asked if he needed more security and he declined. (CRAP — imagine THAT!)

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/05/14/191235/amb-stevens-twice-said-no-to-military.html#.UZW4REruxju

    Ambassador Pickering and Mullen focused on what they should have focused on — where were the security lapses that allowed the attack to occur and why was there insufficient prep for it.

    But the sad truth is that Rep Issa and Sen Graham don’t give a rat’s ass about four dead Americans. They want to kill a President and claim some Watergate-like scandal occurred to throw an election.

    Again, again, again. the truth speaks louder than exaggeration. When you overplay your hand you screw the prosecutorial pooch. If you don’t want to listen to me, here is someone most of you respect:

    BTW, someone in the thread asked (I’m too tired to hunt it down) where have these memos been all this time. They’ve been in the hands of the Congressional committees investigating this stuff. The only reason we are seeing them now is that they are de-classified. The advantage of secret hearings is that the participants can spin them anyway they please to the public.

  70. Rutherford, I hate to rain on your pity parade, but those 100 pages of emails are only what your President and staff wanted released. There’s a full two day window of emails that haven’t been released yet. And that may be the tip of the iceberg of what is missing.

    Clearly there is a coverup.

    Like I said, Obama is at the very best grossly incompetent and a busted liar for no other reason than the staff he chose and there’s no denying Obama lied about the video being the reason for the attack for over two weeks, including on September 25th to the U.N..

    None of that is even in dispute.

  71. Ambassador Pickering and Mullen focused on what they should have focused on — where were the security lapses that allowed the attack to occur and why was there insufficient prep for it.

    You mean Hillary’s hand picked investigators? They didn’t even interview Hillary.

    This is so clearly a whitewash, I can’t believe even you are trying to defend this regime now.

  72. Oh there is so much here I don’t know where to begin….

    None of that comment explains your claim that the GOP “overplaying its hand” is the cause for this delay. So what that the hearing participants got to see the classified emails long ago…they aren’t who decides when something gets declassified.

    Unless you are claiming that the White House purposely delayed declassifying these documents specifically because of the GOP hearings.

    Is that what are are telling us, Rutherford? Did the most transparent administration in history play politics with those documents?

    Where are the emails from Sept. 12 and Sept. 13? Are we to believe this matter wasn’t discussed until 2 days afterward?

    Why are we only seeing 100 emails? Are we to believe there are only 100 emails discussing this matter?

    If you think this email dump is the end of it…think again, man.
    —————————

    Did you even watch that video?

    First you post up a link that claims Stevens turned down extra security, then you post a video with Krauthammer claiming Stevens asked for more security.

    Next you claim the emails prove Obama didn’t watch from the Situation Room or go to bed, but the video you posted has Krauthammer asking where the hell was the president during all of this.
    —————————–

    “But the sad truth is that Rep Issa and Sen Graham don’t give a rat’s ass about four dead Americans. They want to kill a President and claim some Watergate-like scandal occurred to throw an election.”

    YOU STILL DON’T GET IT!

    Yes…there is a lot of contention in the hearings regarding the actual event.

    But it isn’t the attack that is the “Watergate-like scandal to throw an election.” The Watergate-type scandal to throw an election was the lies that a video sparked a protest that turned into an attack. Even Obama knows that is bullshit, which is why he is CYA with this “I said it was a terror attack all along” bullshit.
    ——————————-

    “two unidentified gov officials reveal that Stevens was asked if he needed more security and he declined.”

    I looked at your link. You know what I see?….a bunch of unidentified he said, she said. Show some documents that have Stevens turning down extra security. Produce a witness to give testimony under oath that Stevens turned down extra security.

    Because here is what your own link says regarding the guy that DID testify under oath….

    ““As far as Mr. Hicks knows, the ambassador always wanted more security and they were both frustrated by not getting it,” she said.”

    Now, I believe it is entirely possible that Stevens did turn it down. As I have said all along, the force needed to give proper protection would have been too large and called an occupation.

    But that link requires us to give unnamed officials the benefit of the doubt. Think about your last 2 blog posts and then tell me why should give them that benefit.

  73. What’s to say fellows? Really at this point, does it really matter? R is completely lost. He is seeing everything we have said come true and he has no answer. It is quite pathetic.

  74. Just wait, Gorilla. There is one thing Rutherford hasn’t seen that will still come to pass. And it will be like the Death Angel of the 10th plague. When it happens, you will have seen the last of Thor.

    The economy collapse.

    Pharaoh Barack’s people are experiencing pain – but he certainly hasn’t. Shelly’s still living large and throwing big parties with the ‘B-list’ Hollywood.

    Yep, Hussein hasn’t felt the pain. Yet.

  75. Obama has been absolved with Benghazi?

    Are you on crack?

    Oh yeah. Tex and Muffy’s admonition in the prior thread still pertains.

  76. “You mean Hillary’s hand picked investigators? They didn’t even interview Hillary.”

    I thought you were pro-military? Mullen’s military credentials are impeccable. I hadn’t heard of Pickering before but my understanding is his diplomatic background is untouchable.

    I’d expect Hillary to be interviewed also but I think a sad truth we are learning is that the head of state wasn’t that involved in the day to day running of her org. That is damning on a whole different level and the same may be said for Obama who seems right now to be a reactive bystander instead of head of the Executive.

  77. “He is seeing everything we have said come true and he has no answer.”

    Don’t be quite so cocky. Remember, you predicted a Romney landslide. You’ve gone way beyond declaring Obama asleep at the wheel. You have yet to be vindicated.

    Issa and his gang have had thousands of docs at their disposal for months now and haven’t proven squat about White House negligence.

    By the way, when Americans went to the polls in November they knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack and Obama still won. Some effective cover up there. :roll:

  78. I thought you were pro-military? Mullen’s military credentials are impeccable. I hadn’t heard of Pickering before but my understanding is his diplomatic background is untouchable.

    Impeccable and untouchable, hey? By whose measure? The media, Hillary and you? Do you have anything more credible to offer as evidence?

    You may mock Gorilla for the outcome of the election, but I am mocking you for predicting accurately 24 hours before, that the minute you thought Obama being burned, you would revert back to bootlicker.

    And you didn’t disappoint.

  79. Yes, the documents prove negligence, Rutherford. The people in Libya requested more security which never came. Some of the security force was composed of Libyans who’s loyalty was apparently mixed. That is a matter of record. The State Department’s own report was highly critical of its methods.

    Obama and company blatantly lied about the YouTube video.

    Americans voted for Obama in part, because they didn’t know the details. The press was quiet enough that people forgot. Candy Crowly with her fake fact check of Romney’s attempt to attack Obama about Benghazi defused the issue since Romney didn’t press the issue. It was a major failure of his campaign.

    “Some effective coverup there.” You are right, it was an effective coverup meant to last until after the election.

  80. Rutherford, don’t you give any credence to the quotes I provided in 38? Ignore the JFK one, as it quite possibly is bogus, but the rest paint an undeniable picture most of you folks can’t seem to see. There are plenty more quotes of the same caliber from more people than I list. Those are some of the more well known.

    Maybe, as we look this past century back, we can see the hidden hands that have orchestrated us into this current mess. Look beyond the puppets placed before us. Maybe, once recognized, we can attack the source of this evil power structure instead of fighting among ourselves. Maybe. But it takes resolve, which today is a rarity. We prefer papering over the cracks.

  81. I think trying to prove when and how Obama told whopping lies, untruths, half-truths, hid evidence, concealed material facts, condoned coverups and assisted in defrauding the American people…is too monumental a task.

    Let’s make it much simpler and easier to accomplish.

    On which controversial issue that has arisen about him or his administration’s policies can we prove…Obama has once told the truth? The law of large numbers has a corollary…the law of absolute zero. ~ cfbleachers

    ——–

    And there you have it. Credibility like respect isn’t simply granted. It is earned.

    This Obama administration, his sycophants, rubes, lackeys, toadies, bootlickers, propaganda puffs, and Fat Granny hacks have no credibility. They won the first election on a string of arrogant and boastful promises that could not and have not been kept.

    They won a second election on fraud, disassociation, lies, concealment, condoned coverups, cronyism, demonization, half facts, media propaganda, and most likely a whopping dose of ballot stuffing across thousands of large city precincts.

    The entire four plus years now has been based on lies and failure posed as fact and success, respectively.

    I have absolutely no reason not to think that not only is Obama lying through teeth about Benghazi and his approval of IRS abuse, but that he lies about everything, as does his wife.

  82. “Some effective cover up there.”

    Then explain the lies. It’s that simple.

    But you can’t…neither can anyone else. That’s why we have all of the finger-pointing. This was so insignificant that nobody wants it attached to them.

  83. Huck,

    I would be satisfied with Rutherford if he could begin to answer even the simple unanswered questions.

    Questions for instance like…

    Being it quite clear that Barack Obama knew immediately this had nothing to do with a mob and a video, and even the emails demonstrate Obama would have known that in writing by September 14th even if left completely out of the loop, why on September 25th did Barack Obama go before the U.N. and once again blame a video insulting Mohammad on the Benghazi attack?

    And let’s note that once again, Rutherford’s gutless peers have left him high and dry to defend by himself. Where’s that hyper masculine Thor? Where’s Lunkhead?

  84. Did I miss the explanation for this?….

    “Had the GOP proceeded with moderation, the memo could have seen the light of day sooner”

    Also…

    “Mullen’s military credentials are impeccable.”

    Was he an investigator in the military? If not, then WTF does his military credentials have to do with his ability to perform an investigation?

    Keep it up, Rutherford, and you’ll make the short list for replacing Jay Carney when he goes.

  85. Of course Barack and Hillary are and were involved, informed, and given cover regarding the attack on our – what did Carney say was the only WH change to the talking points? – “diplomatic facility” in Benghazi. Of course Rutherford is dead wrong in his focus and his conclusions. He usually is. But he won the election, you see. It’s all about the election. The election is the alpha and the omega. That’s it. That’s why the left can’t see any further than what they project on the rest of us. So then what does it matter if the outrage is expressed and the questions are being asked about what happened and why the video was blamed just to “get Hillary?” You know, it’s screwy in the head to keep insisting that what matters is our motives and not the actions of our representatives. That’s real fucking deep.

    I damn near supported Hillary in the Democratic primary race in 2008 and flirted big time with voting for her in the general election should she win out over Obama. Why? For the only reason that she should win – then or now – and the only reason that Obama ultimately won – because I thought that it was about time. That’s real fucking deep too.

    I was actually sanguine when Obama won the first time. Optimistic. I thought maybe – just maybe – he was one of the few people in politics gifted enough to be the salve this nation needed to recover from the wounds of 9/11 and the Iraq war. He sure sounded like it. I cried as I watched the Ohio speech (was it Ohio?) when he accepted his party’s nomination. I certainly didn’t think the McCain/Palin ticket was the best medicine. I really thought that no matter who won that year – we could survive it. And in the end I held my nose and voted Republican and left it to what was meant to be.

    And we seem now to be left with this – our president, this administration, just about every department from HHS to Homeland Security, to the Justice Dept to the IRS, and democrats in general – do not like conservatives. They’ve got a laundry list of “reasons” why – some valid, some bullshit. And it’s payback time.

    Had to turn off the hearings. What a farce.

    I can’t believe what’s happening.

  86. R, A pretty fair assessment. I would add that he is drifting, in a way. He has been campaigning his whole adult life. There’s no campaign left. He doesn’t know what to do with himself. Like the guy that retires too young, just assumes he’ll enjoy his free time without really having any plan to do so. Problem is, he’s still suppose to be working for us for three more years.

    Coward? Whatever. I’m right here tough guy. Take all the shots you want. I’m just not going to follow you down every Rabbit hole like I have the last couple years. That’s not called cowardice, it’s called time management.

    Tex, I think, your points about the IRS and big government are spot on. I think the Tea Party could push the meme very much to their advantage. Not so much toward Obama, but the midterms and 2016. If they can point at Hillary or Biden or someone else we haven’t thought of yet and say “You really want that gal to own the “Big Government controls? You saw how they used the IRS.” I know, cloying. My gift. :)

    But every clown has a flower that squirts water in your face. Here’s mine. You would really wish economic disaster on millions of people just to win an argument? Does it really eat at you that much every time you see the Dow set a new record, unemployment drop a little more, the debt ceiling “crisis” pushed out another month? This isn’t about the bet, is it?

  87. This is about debt slavery, people. This isn’t team sports. These politicians are ALL pawns, useful idiots to keep us occupied. The few that want to change us back to Constitution rules are driven out or marginalized. There are vast histories of this. It is not a new phenomenon. The pols and pundits keep us well distracted from the evil engines that continue to steal our souls.

    What we need are no democrats or republicans, no liberals or conservatives, no communists or socialists or fascists or libertarians. We need humanity to unite against sociopathy. We need transparency in government. We need the upper caste accountable to the same statutes as the poor. Justice needs to reign in the land, starting at the top, or else we all labor in vain.

  88. Thor, you really don’t understand why I disdain guys like you and Graychin more than the others, do you?

    Try and set this to memory so you don’t have to ask anymore and I don’t have to send you running back for more time management when you become outraged over my ‘personal attacks’. One perusal of that strange blog of yours was all I needed to know about you’re some kind of fruit that the neighbors probably hide from. The sugary shit and poetry reading like some kind of psychosis attempt at new age, self-healing and the boring stories of family grandeur replete with your “photography” comical.

    Anyway, back to point as I know you trying to pull my strings. The economic stuff is predictable as hell. It’s the last of the excuses of a failed Presidency. I don’t know who you think you’re fooling but it is not me.

    You’re no different than Joseph Goebbels without the nominated position. You’re a liar, pure and simple, and a charlatan. I think you epitomize every characteristic that makes the left so despicable, so destructive, and so dishonest. You’re the living, walking talking testimony of the worst that MSNBC and KKKos and Media Matters have to offer. You don’t even think for yourself. You parrot the talking points and go searching back to their data for excuse. You can’t admit guilt, you can’t admit culpability, you can’t admit you wrong or ignorance.

    I think anybody that thinks like you, struts like you, lives like you is a fool. And I hope if there is justice, you pay for it and then some. Yes, there are people out there I hope the worst for – you would be one. :wink:

    If you think the DOW setting records is indicator of rousing success, if you think a government 110% larger than a decade ago with a corresponding GDP 10% larger, then I think you should put everything you’ve got into the market and bow to Obama’s altar. Ride his coattails.

    I’m just simply going to rub your prissy little face it in when you’re proven wrong if I have to follow your useful idiocy all over the internet to make you miserable. So get ready, tough guy. Because I’m going to ride you all the way down until you do pop, resorting to whatever I need to do as payback just for the thrill of pissing you off.

  89. Thor….the Benghazi lies and the lies about the lies are now proven. Thoughts?

    How pathetic. Rutherford’s only defense for Obama now is that he so unbelievably incompetent and shitty as a President that his hands must be clean of any of the cover ups or scandals.

    Don’t hold Obama responsible for the cover up in Benghazi. Obama would never take the innovative on such a matter. As the emails prove……we don’t even know where he was during the attack.

    Don’t hold Obama accountable for the IRS’ assault on the free world…..Berry is a dumb dumb slowly strolling from the tee box to the golf cart, oblivious of the goings on at the IRS. You can’t possibly expect him to ever sit down and ask the IRS what they have been up to.

    Obama couldn’t be responsble for arming Mexican drug cartels with weapons, including anti aircraft guns. Obama doesn’t doesn’t dare involve himself with border and territorial integrity of the United States. Who do you think he is, the President?

    Obama would never have been told of a massive intrusion of practically the entire Assoaiciated Press. Like they would tell Berry that. He’s dancing jitterbug with Timberlake and Jay Z at a private party.

    Obama is an innocent man because he apparently, by Rutherford’s own analysis, is the worst president in modern history.

    He’s Queen Elizabeth II. Except a black dude who smokes menthols.

    About the only time Obama he has ever gotten his hands dirty and actually led with his neck on the line was when his homeboy got arrested and his son Travon got shot.

    He has three years left. He might put his neck out there once more. Maybe he will involve himself with one of the Who’s Your Daddy episodes on Muary Povich. You know…be presidential and shit.

  90. “Take the inniative “..me not smart.

    But Cadillac cars, barbecue ribs….me not as stupid as you think I is.

  91. “Don’t be quite so cocky. Remember, you predicted a Romney landslide. You’ve gone way beyond declaring Obama asleep at the wheel. You have yet to be vindicated.”

    The wrong man is in office. Here is our vindication.

  92. Obama, Hillary and the rest are accountable because we paid them to be. Lets assume they were innocent waifs so detatched they were figureheads controlled by others who told them only what they thought they needed to know.

    If it was true, they still should lose their jobs. Thor, Rutherford, and anyone else who wants to defend these people, tell me why I am wrong. Would you hire a roofer who couldn’t stop a leak? Why should we keep these people on the payroll?

  93. But every clown has a flower that squirts water in your face. Here’s mine. You would really wish economic disaster on millions of people just to win an argument?

    What planet are you living on? It’s already here. The actual value of the dollar is shrinking faster than a “full size” candy bar or a 1 lb. bag of potato chips.

    Does it really eat at you that much every time you see the Dow set a new record, unemployment drop a little more, the debt ceiling “crisis” pushed out another month?

    What economic fundamentals are reflected by the DOW anymore? better yet, how much of that DOW action is foreign investment coming HERE because much of the rest of the world has run out of other people’s money to live on?

    Unemployment lower? Yeah, I suppose if you stick with the dishonest measure of not counting people who are no longer getting unemployment and have simply given up looking…we’ll just ignore the fact that the labor force is considerably lsmaller today than when Barry took office. I’m sure that can be accounted for by all the retirements due to the fantastic economy.
    It also says nothing about the growing ranks of underemployed people who are now part-timers due to the wonder that is ObamaCare, and the confiscatory tax schemes that come with it.

  94. Well said, Ms. Muffy. Well said.

    But he won the election, you see. It’s all about the election. The election is the alpha and the omega. That’s it. That’s why the left can’t see any further than what they project on the rest of us. So then what does it matter if the outrage is expressed and the questions are being asked about what happened and why the video was blamed just to “get Hillary?” You know, it’s screwy in the head to keep insisting that what matters is our motives and not the actions of our representatives.

    And just to justify how pdefiled these leftist types are, read this:

    Report: IRS Deliberately Chose Not to Fess Up to Scandal Before Election

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-irs-deliberately-chose-not-fess-scandal-election_724711.html

    And after all this, they want me to believe these elections counts, from multi voting absentee ballots that keep popping up in Ohio, to 100+% precinct voting in Philadelphia, all for Barack Obama mind you, was on the up and up? And then have the unmitigated gall to accuse their opponents of voter suppression?

    Hey, that’s little dancing Jewish girls in concentration camps on film.

    I not only find most of these people not credible. I think most are inherently wicked and depraved…and they will be the end of America if we don’t separate ourselves from them or destroy them.

    Everything they touch turns to shit, including their cities if left to their own accord. Do you really want these types overseeing your kid’s future, your nieces and nephews?

    Look at Detroit. Do you guys and gal want to end up like Detroit? Because that is where this is all heading…

  95. “The actual value of the dollar is shrinking faster than a “full size” candy bar or a 1 lb. bag of potato chips.”-BiC

    I don’t know about that. The dollar is certainly not reflecting QE like I thought.

    I still think there are deflationary forces acting on the dollar. For one, everybody is printing. I’d rather have a printed petro dollar backed by U.S. Nukes then some shitty Tai money. The Yen has been completely whored out. Fact is, we seem to be in a massive world currency war. If inflation strikes, will it be a overnight Tsunami?

    The stampede is certainly into the Dow, now. Could the growing Asian middle class be sustaining the gains? What is global GDP gains like?

    You would think commodities would be more bullish, right now. At least Gold…Are the ETF’s are making it too easy for Joe Blow to sell pork bellies and follow the herd into the market. Premium on physical precious metals is high.

    I have some dry powder that I am absolutely clueless what do with. I buy precious metals (physical) every payday, but that is more of a quasi hobby. 2 hundred or so a month. I don’t want to unload cash and watch it depreciate by 50% over night if the market is in fact a synthetic bubble.

    So…..I’m holding cash. My Roth is already tapped out with cash for the year. Conventional wisdom says I shouldn’t try to catch falling knives and time the market. I should just be buying dividend paying blue chips and keep humping. But I can’t get myself to pull the trigger. Conventional wisdom has done great harm to me in the past.

    I came into money at a very tricky time.

    There is no doubt that this economy isn’t helping the lower middle class. The jobs aren’t there and Thor the progressive champion of the proletariat should be screaming. But he’s not. Is because the lower middle class has became the under class texting on free phones and eating Medicaid opiates?

    I predict another disastrous real estate bubble. Bailed out bankers are already giving out some insane loans. I see outrageous debt to income ratios already as people are renting under water houses here but buying a second house.

  96. BIC,

    I’m not even sure Thor believes what he writes. I refuse to believe Thor is this stupid, that dishonest. There has got to be some ulterior motive to this madness. Something I’m missing in these Leftists that drive them towards depravity, short of the supernatural.

    Muffy may have touched on it. Fandom; rooting for the home team, fantasizing your a part of play? Holding up a #1 big finger, kicking up your leg as cheerleader? Glory Days? Not making the football team and being burnt about being Rumpelstiltskin’s apprentice in theater class?

    How can anybody in their right mind not understand it takes 200,000 new jobs a reporting period just to account for population growth, read about another 300-400K left the work force, see maybe 125-175K generally low wage jobs created as evident by wages continuing to fall, and not understand the only reason the unemployment number dropped is the measured work force is significantly smaller from the previous month?

    A person can’t be that bad at basic mathematics and be over 30 years of age. I mean if it was Newton or the Fat Grannies hags, maybe. I might accept there are really people out there that ugly and inane. But these are formally educated people we are dealing with here. Actually able to construct sentences and the like.

    I can understand their social mores. But I don’t understand their defense of absolute financial failure.

  97. It’s a trick, Rabbit. The bond market is twice the size of equity market – and it hasn’t moved because there is nothing to be had due to artificially low rates.

    And if I thought the Fed could continue pumping a trillion a year into the market, I’d be balls out in equities. But since the Fed can’t print forever, and believing I can’t time when the pumping stops and I know what happens when it stops, I can see the writing on the wall. The minute the pumping stops, the party is over. Technicals are not what is propping up this market, contrary to Leftists like Thor saying corporations are kicking ass. No, most are not. Throw in additional costs of compliance and Obamacare and you have a depression in the making.

    As to the dollar, actually it has strengthened recently. But that’s another mirage. It has only strengthened because the Euro is collapsing. Oil is up because the dollar is up.

    This is a vicious cycle feeding upon itself. You can throw in another trillion in debt in student loans alone. And that is why I am saying this whole scam by Bernacke is a ruse. The only reality that is real here is that our government is still spending 40 cents more than each dollar it takes in. Your children and my children are watching their entire futures mortgaged on account of what is going on now. If Thor or Rutherford had a clue to what discounted cash flows mean, and they don’t, they would immediately shit bricks about the potential of collapse here.

    Bernacke is under the illusion if he can ride this thing out, the economy will start churning again. But the only way the economy starts hopping is the creation of wealth. And you only get a creation of wealth when millions of families have money to spend. And those millions of families are in the middle class of $100K and down. And their real wages have dropped almost 10% under Obama.

    Thor’s DOW industrial has indeed been a boon to people like my wife and I who have been investing in a 401k for 30 years. But that’s only perhaps 10% of the populace.

    What’s happening to the another 90% that you don’t hear much about?

    This is why Thor is not only a fool but his message is so dangerous. There’s going to be a lot, and I do mean the majority, that are going to be left hanging with this bubble collapses.

  98. “Not making the football team and being burnt about being Rumpelstiltskin’s apprentice in theater?

    LOL

  99. Tex….if a fellah had is house paid off, no debt outside a student loan with low interest, no credit, no car payment and about 20 grand in cash, what should that fellah do? This fellah already made his wife happy and got a new bathroom and granite counter tops.

    It’s an odd life as this fellah was heading for bankruptcy only 2 years ago. Shit happens. Good and bad.

    The only idea I have is buying an intimidating hazmat suit, a few buckets of bleach, a van and become a black mold removal “expert”.

    I’d feel too guilty.

    I don’t have any interest in nice stuff. I can’t even get my self to buy a tv. I wear wall mart clothing.

    Maybe I should buy a llama.

    I’m thinking putting it all in Catholic school for my boys.

    Off to play ball.

  100. I think you should buy two llamas. :smile: I’d take a sure thing and get rid of the student debt.

    Will say that my children’s two private educations apparently were a great investment if college educational credential any indicator: summa cum, magna cum. Of course, neither of them have ever earned a real paycheck either, and between the two of them have twelve more years of professional school before they do.

    I’ll be broke long before then. :mad:

    Sweet spot to be in for a young man like you. Like you, I live very small. Good thing. Next month will be ten years since I earned a dime.

  101. “It didn’t happen”

    becomes

    “questions are politically-motivated right-wing lynching”

    becomes

    “I/we didn’t know” becomes

    “Bush’s fault” becomes

    “it was negligence not malice” becomes

    “it doesn’t matter.”
    :roll:

    Familiar.

  102. I’m having IRS rage right now. I’m done with the shock and disbelief.

    Nope. I’m back to the disbelief. I can’t believe this happened.

    I saw Rachel Maddow trying to paint a picture in which an evil IRS is just politics as usual.

    Nixon said he’d like to use the IRS against some people. Not sure it actually happened. Kennedy used them against a few groups. The racists used them against the Civil Rights Movement and Dr. King. But hell, they used German Shepards, too.

    Nothing compares to this in terms of magnitude.

    While Rutherford spread canned lies about the Tea Party compliments of MSNBC, his partners in crime at the IRS attacked these same people.

    The IRS asking people what they pray to God about? May every single person that was a part of this tyranny or knew and did nothing about it die of heart attacks in front of their weeping families.

    These rotten motherfuckers will be in charge of Obamacare.

    I fucking hate them.

    You know what, I think I hate liberals. You pawns. Stupid pawns doing the bidding of the oppressors. Everything you guys attempt to do weakens free people. Everything you guys do is filthy. Corrupt. Your stimulus. Your green investments. Every government expansion ends up sucking. Always picking winners and losers.

    Let us live free. Shit man. If need be, let us die free.

  103. I saw a man on O’Reilly tonight that made Obama’s enemies list for donating to the Romney campaign – eight names appeared on Obama’s reelection blog and he was one of them.

    His company was slandered, he was accused of being a criminal though he’s clean as a whistle and has never even been charged with a crime. And his company was audited three times from June 2012 to September 2012. He actually was so clean, he is supposed to get a large refund that Washington D.C. is sitting on for no telling what reasons.

    Cost the man and his company numerous customers and $80,000.00 in legal bills. And now you want to tell me that Obama wasn’t aware of what the IRS was doing?

    Gang, this isn’t impeachable; it’s criminal. Obama doesn’t need to be removed from office. He needs to be imprisoned for intimidation, his assets confiscated.

    Obama isn’t just proving incompetent. He’s proving to be a tyrant as many of us has expected.

  104. Tonight i reached a point where I needed to stop thinking about what all of this means and just try and focus on what it is.

  105. What it means is…we’re screwed.

    Because at the end of the day, none of this is going to change a thing. Look at all of the people defending every scandal that has ever hit this administration.

    Too many just don’t care. It isn’t even that they are ignorant of it happening…they just don’t give a fuck. If they did we would already see mass protests in the streets.

    Say what you want about the people in the Middle East. But they have 10 times the balls we have.

  106. We have three choices, Huck. We fight.

    We battle through law suits, protests and civil disobedience as the SAMI, Estonians, Iranians, and our civil rights movement did, We fight with weapons and bombs as the Sarajevo people, Hungarians, our ancestors of the Whiskey Rebellion, Syrians and others have done.

    We accept our slavery and get along as best we can.

    We flee.

  107. Huck, I think what it really means is Americans have become too civilized and too comfortable. Most of us don’t know what it feels like to live under tyranny, or be bullied as adults by thought police and government thugs. We all thought, me too, it couldn’t happen here.

    But we are trending dangerously close to despot middle eastern management and those very things happening. I am serious. This is how government tyranny starts – generally voluntarily. All the mechanisms are in place.

    You think they don’t give a fuck. That is true for millions, but I think it’s much worse.

    This is chilling because where it leads, but we are witnessing many from the Left and at least some from the Right in this country who actually approve of those tactics and even encourage those tactics. And the bluer the state, the more they approve.

    Rhetorical question because you get it, but you don’t think many of these MSNBC stooges and New York Times readers don’t wet their pants at glee of what happened last year to that Mitt Romney donor I spoke of last night?

    Anybody who thinks I’m wrong that we aren’t ripe to become a fascist state go read the comments tonight on any NYTimes editorial board and scan the comments. Read the propaganda and read the enabling.

    And a little off the subject, but a few weeks back, we voluntarily watched Bostonians marched out of their houses in a police state in the name of “safety.” Voluntarily did it without protest, some holding babies in their arms.

    It was then that I realized most Americans could be marched anywhere and without protest, too dumb to realize they were being marched to the gas chambers.

    I suppose I should be embarrassed. But I naively believed Americans were better than this. That we couldn’t become like the Nazis – even the worst of us who are involved in politics would never sink to seizing the personal assets of our political opponents by Brownshirt government thugs wearing suits.

    But apparently, politics has become larger than life and ideology our national religion. And as Muffy said, winning is the alpha and the omega. It’s all that counts.

  108. Daily Caller:Three scientists have published an article in the journal Intelligence, IQ test scores have been rising, but these scientists used reaction time to measure intelligence, Reaction times have risen since the Victorian era between 1884 and 2004

    They claim ;people have on average, have grown “less clever over time” If true, that explains a lot..,

  109. Rutherford…I’m back.
    Literally from the top:
    You have to go back to January 20, 1961 to find a US President who didn’t screw the pooch in his second term
    I don’t understand the use of this sentence. If it is in reference to Ike,which I imagine it is it’s damn awkward structure. You could ding Ike btw but thats another matter and another era.

    This is a man who, for reasons that escape me, still has not learned that the presidency is about leadership.
    God bless you Rutherford. You are blatantly and brazenly honest in offering your epiphany. This should’ve could’ve come earlier if you listened to a number of your regulars.
    It is in the area of his lack of leadership that will as the second term crawls along he will face additional legacy crush and deservedly so.
    ACA being the best example. It will likely stay on the books but it will face a great deal of whittling by both right and left in the years to come. Bottom line ever since the beginning there have been democrats completely flummoxed by O’s seeming lack of knowing what and how the gig goes.

    The IRS scandal gets more heated wrath from you from my reading of it. You give Obama a full pass hinting that the sheer size of the leviathan offers reasoning for this. FWIW I think you probably correct for the most part but I’d say the power players in Camp Obama were in the know and networking to make this happen with certain members of the IRS machinery.
    I personally think this isn’t everything people want it to be. I especially feel alone in my thinking that nobody is learning the best lesson to learn here. The tax exempt code in question,which hails back to the late 40’s-early 50’s from what I get from the IRS, is something that MUST BE ELIMINATED!! We as a nation have gotten so far away from where there are credible groups engaged in social welfare. Even some of the better charities are guilty of trying to exist for their own being than the cause they were born to fight. Sickening. The only “welfare” I see in this part of the code is how it provides a form of welfare (like food stamps) to every Tom Dick and Harriet that wants to have a side job.

    I am/was surprised by how low key your take was on the AP scandal. As I said in the previous thread @ # 421 I think this one is the worse. The big three in my book for the record are Benghazi,F&F and AP. It isn’t a coincidence that two of these have tight ties to Holder. Holder appears and always has appeared to be Obama’s special love child. The thought that he may replace him with his mini-me MA Gov. Deval Patrick is mind numbing.
    Anyway R. Your post was good and I was glad to see your honesty as mentioned above. Your thread logic of the various investigations are a little shaky but I’m all about your post right now.
    Cheers-Alfie

  110. Tigre not creepy, just very very silly.

    A lot of folks, me included, got swept up in 2008. Even you have to admit the rhetoric at the time was moving, particularly if you weren’t a huge fan of Bush.

    The execution never lived up to the rhetoric. Mediocrity prevails. One big lesson to never forget: in politics words mean nothing.

  111. A lot of folks, me included, got swept up in 2008. Even you have to admit the rhetoric at the time was moving, particularly if you weren’t a huge fan of Bush.
    OMG!. After I paid you a thoughtful and supportive compliment earlier you cough up this hairball?
    I appreciate I may be reading more and more literally into what you wrote but please explain.
    It’s now rhetoric? Back in the day it was something ranging from inspirational to gospel truth now its rhetoric.

    As for the video and it trappings. I always saw them as stupid and ignorant to an extreme. You know its one thing to be excited about a candidate and a platform and being hopeful it jives with reality and that the entire system then delivers on a promise. the problem then,now and forever is that people only saw the ObamaMessiah and it was all on him. That was folly and nothing any mortal was going to live up to. Contrast that with the motives and actions of past POTUS’s like Reagan,JFK,FDR and any of the blokes on Rushmore. History shows us that as a People we vote for the lesser of two evils sometimes,other times we get fooled. Sometimes we thankfully pick the right person,for the right reasons at the right time.

  112. I wasn’t a fan of Bush. At the time, I might have voted for Hillary. However, I actually did some research which matched what the press was doing to Sarah Palin.

    Any of us who researched Obama’s background knew the inspirational rhetoric was artiface to con the gullible. I predicted about ten things which would happen in an exchange with Honolula Sal of the grannies shortly after the election. Everything except runaway inflation became true. Some people there took exception to my reminding them.

    It turned out worse than I expected. So, what do we do now?

  113. Obama was the perfect god for a good atheist.

    “… and when he was safely on the other side of the toll gate the driver shouted back down the line to the man. He said ‘I fooled you, I fooled you!'” Lonnie Donigan “The Rock Island Line.”

  114. A lot of folks, me included, got swept up in 2008.

    True. And if you had left it at that, it might be easily forgivable and mostly forgotten considering the moment in time, no matter how superficial the motives and reasons.

    But you then transformed from from hoodwinked, fawning groupie to enabler, defender, character assassin premised on lies and distortions, and dishonest propagandist of abysmal failure over a series of many months. You cast what I thought some reasonable if proven wrong principles to the winds and became appreciably more shrill and wholly dishonest as Obama’s weaknesses and phoniness became more and more visible.

    In least in that one way, people like Poolman are your bettors. He openly admits he wasn’t just disappointed with Obama. He was disgusted with Obama and admitted Obama was not a man worthy of further support as evidenced by his many lies.

    Mistakes are forgivable. To continue making the same mistakes and promoting the mistakes as successes, less so.

    Obama has not only damaged the nation. He has damaged irreparably many of your own liberal reputations in the process. Obama’s enablers have forfeited their claim to legitimacy of pursuing betterment. They have made this an uncivil, all out war.

    Now that election is over and the real damage still left, it doesn’t say much of your truthfulness to simply shrug and say in essence, “Okay, I’ve been a disappointed” anymore than Bernie Madoff saying he was “disappointed in getting caught up in the act.”

    Even you have to admit the rhetoric at the time was moving, particularly if you weren’t a huge fan of Bush.

    False. I found even the “moving 2008″ as a series of cliche, idiocy masquerading as profundity, platitude, and transparent phoniness. Who can remember the laughable ‘Yes We Can!!!’

    But it is true that Obama has proven to be even worse than I had imagined he could be. I had predicted simply ineptness and management incompetence; at best Jimmy Carter redux and said as much on this very board.

    The level of unmitigated gall, transparent lies, emptiness of thought and feeling, and absolute thuggish nature has surprised even a skeptic/cynic like me.

    The IRS abuse of individual citizens is an act not of impeachment but severe penalty behind bars. This nation and your Senators don’t have the guts to do what needs to be done and will also suffer the consequences of that failure. That cannot be tolerated in a so called civilized, democratic republican and survive whole.

  115. “Mediocrity prevails.” -R

    Yeah…more like disasters. Your whole “we shot for the stars and missed” thing is getting old.

    So is your depiction of non stop corruption, lies and big government thuggery as simply being the “second term curse”. A “politics as usual” scam that MSNBC seems to be going with now days.

    Your benevolent federal government asking people what books they read? You fucking kidding me? The same wing of this Leviathan that will be in charge of our fucking medical care? What harm you hope and change emotional morons did to us!

    You do realize that your slavish devotion, naivete and lack of critical thinking allowed this to happen to all of us.

    Your other excuse is that Obama is such a flaccid, failure that the buck can’t even get past the lowest level bureaucrat, not alone stop at his desk.

    Lastly, my favorite out is that government is just too big for anyone to control or be responsible for….yeah….we tried to tell you but you were too high. The irony would be funny if it wasn’t all so serious.

    And mark my words, when they all get away with it, which I think they will, sans pointless sacrificial lambs, the baton of corrupt government will one day be coming after you immature fem-bots, wielded by the GOP. Political corruption is a culture but it is not partisan.

    What’s in your prayers, Rutherford?

  116. Pfesser, you remind me of a few of my old friends – a terrible influence that has given me a laugh while we perpetrating the crimes together. How did Tigre once put it? Like using a Rocket Propelled Grenade to blow the maggots off the counter?

    I was so bored that I had to make an appearance at Fat Grannies.

    They’ll blow this response away in a few moments and I’ll have to make up another false pretense to pollute their shrewish blog. But sometimes, I am my own best audience. Have you dealt with this comically inept Penny Poo Abrams?

    I like you Penny. Every family needs that one soul willing to be laughed laffed at, at their expense. Like an old, flatulent, loveable hound. I mean, who can’t like somebody so confused to be childlike in old age?

    Look at Auntie Liki Liki. Pick a wrinkle and love it to the core is my motto.

    But now to be fair, it would be unfair of you to accuse me of lumping Commies and Jews into the same degree of unredeemable feminists. Frankly, I find the male feminists the absolute bottom of the barrel, but the appearance of the female feminist so generally repulsive, it’s a tough sell either way.

    There’s many a great Jew, some of them the most respectable people on earth. And Commies? Well, any sensible person would much prefer to deal with a Commie sincere in motive and intent than some fawning Obama feminist wearing the progressive, man hating label.

    You think back to Bela Abzug, Ann Richards, Stanley Ann Dunham, and the insufferable Molly Ivins. Fortunately, Satan had to call them back to the forked-tongue lair for eternity when their useful idiot time was up, but they did indeed leave a legacy of saggy bags and ball burning.

    And history has proven that the most miserable existence of them all is that legacy of misandristic leftists.

    Ironic, isn’t it?

    Before she thankfully past on, I used to give Molly Ivins a load and a half after she penned one her world famous man hating, liberal rants. Even to the point she once threatened me with suit for “slander.” :lol: It’s so much easier now to be Enemy #1 with the advent of the internet.

  117. …. that the buck can’t even get past the lowest level bureaucrat, not alone stop at his desk.
    I quite like that one.

  118. I am so sick of this motherfucker and his fucking bullshit excuses for everything.

    I am worn out with utter disgust for him and the assholes that re-elected and continue to defend him.

    Let it burn and let them all own the ashes.

  119. I checked out the fat grannies threads. I can’t imagine dealing with those folks. The asinine nature and abject petty stupidity on display there was astonishing. I can’t even fathom how PF and tex get a kick out of fucking with them,and given how they obviously go after folks as evidenced by Rutherfords misadventure I really can only say wow.

  120. Alfie,

    Do you remember the paranoid curmudgeon on the block that hated the world and cursed kids for walking on his lawn while making his neighbors miserable with unreasonable demands? Had a Teamster’s union tag on his car and let his scraggly, nippy dog shit on your lawn?

    Think of Pfesser and me as the property inspector raising his property taxes and the kid who threw eggs at his house just to watch him explode.

    Thor seems rational in his Dear Leader adoration when compared to these hags.

  121. All this corruption goes back, way back before Obama. He’s just current top on the cult of personality heap. This government has been hijacked for a good while, and all we get are their puppet performers. These secretive tyrants are not one cohesive force, however. They have a mutual interest in controlling us, but they are also vying for control, one over another. Through the control of debt, they control the world. Think IRS and Fed instigators and benefactors. The recent wars we’ve started were/are in nations that were not under their thumb. They are now. The ones we’re targeting are holdouts. There are tomes of these proofs easy to find.

    Regarding BHO, we’ve gone through his whole act by know. We’ve seen his entire hand. Unless he draws anew, the house wins. Again. The game’s rigged. Sure, you can game it for financial gain. Plenty do and plenty seek to. Success in this world system requires compromising one’s moral values. A little at first. Then a little more. That is the sad part. It acts as a trap from which escape is often uncertain or impossible.

    Just as soon as one considers the end without regard to the means, the slope gets a bit slippery. Soon, it’s like muffy’s penguins, the foundation isn’t sound enough to support you, let alone others, all of which have the same goal in mind. And trust me, it IS melting.

    One way. No short cuts. No compromises. No tolerance of evil.

    We could focus all our energies and anger at the POTUS. Impeach him, or try him for treason, along with his band of bozos. The list is really quite extensive and the gross infractions provable.

    It would not bring back our Republic. Not now. The ptb would still hold power. Now if we dismantle the IRS and the fed and remove the laws that negate our liberties, then things may turn around.

    We have many in society that fit the description of war criminal, as we helped define it years ago. Pardoning them because we want to forget past sins sounds like a gracious thing to do, however it is condoning behavior. It doesn’t get the root out. It allows the cancer to spread and flourish.

    But then again, we are a land of hypocrites ruled by psychopaths. Justice can’t find a seat at the head table, and it hasn’t found a place on the floor either. I think it is a crime to raise children indebted to the state before they even understand who or what the state that owns them is. It’s evil.

    I believe the earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof.

  122. “Tigre not creepy, just very very silly.

    A lot of folks, me included, got swept up in 2008. Even you have to admit the rhetoric at the time was moving, particularly if you weren’t a huge fan of Bush. . .”

    No I don’t. And it was not. It was nauseating crappola fed to gullible, unthinking, masses.

    Until watching that video makes you want to hurl and slit your own wrists for not having an immediate, visceral repulsion, you have not completed your journey.

    It’s beginning to look like we might need the Clockwork Orange approach.

  123. Tex, your video is apropos. But I understand the needs being met by Hitler for the average German. I honestly, truly, sincerely “don’t get” the liberal need for the charismatic leader, Obama not being the only one.

    I yearn for the principle-based leadership possessed of a Reagan. But even if Zombie Reagan came back to run for a third term and he used the cult-like propaganda, and worse, accepted the adulation it engendered like that narcissist Obama, I would move to another country before voting, or even secretly supporting it as I think Rutherford imagines.

    I honestly don’t get the need yet know with absolute certainty that it was not something created by GWB. I pray we haven’t lost our soul.

  124. “I am worn out with utter disgust for him and the assholes that re-elected and continue to defend him.

    Worn out!

    I don’t know what exasperates me more though – the denial, the disaffirmation, or the insufferable shoulder shrugging and downplaying the seriousness of the skullduggery.

  125. Tigre it sadly isn’t just liberal thing. The charismatic leader has been a mainstay in US politics. I think the only difference one really gets is whether the prospective leader wants to provide leadership with some nobility to it or wields it more with an elitist malice.
    For me,looking at the 20th century, I’d say Reagan and JFK offered positive leadership. I’d say Wilson and FDR clearly had the malice thing going. I could list others grading on a curve speaking to the total of their actions as opposed to the standard analysis of their terms. A good example of that would be Hoover. Routinely pilloried I’d say unfairly so.
    Where this leaves us with Obama ….

  126. Alfie, of your examples other than JFK, which do you believe fit the charismatic leader/cult of personality of an Obama? The only that stick out that you’ve cited only progressive/liberals. Hoover?

  127. I hear ya Muffy. It’s that that so many on left hold him to absolutely no standards whatsoever.

    As I said, it’s that election was the end game. Nothing more. Everything that follows just noise. Arrrrgh. :twisted:

  128. Yeah it looks pretty bad by ole Tex. Did I really hear of hail the size of grapefruits? Or is that just more evidence of the GOP overplaying their hand? (Prolly just the size of tennis balls.) Be safe Tex.

    By the way. Tex and Doc need to come back to the clubhouse before Auntie Liki Liki blows a head gasket and calls your mothers. You boys have the gasbag trying to use “IP addresses” in a sentence. Stop already. Let her get back to her skittles shitting unicorns paint by numbers pitcher.

    Salami. Leggo my Eggo. Kablooey!

  129. Tex, I hope you’re hunkered down somewhere safe or far away from the trouble. It’s looking pretty bad in OK tonight.

    Pretty weird occurrence here this evening. I took The Mick out for a walk about 8:00PM tonight. Shawnee, OK, is about 90 miles away and to the Southwest. North of Shawnee was hit by an F4 tornado about two hours ago.

    While the Mick and I were walking, paper, insulation and leaves were falling from the sky. We had a nice sunset to walk by. Looking to the South, you could see the north edge of the super cell. Beautiful and terrifying to view. If I had a better camera, I would have taken some pics to post.

    But we are fine. Thank you for checking on me. Supposed to get a repeat tomorrow. It’s the price you pay living in this part of the country.

  130. Oh, and Muffy. They did indeed have hail the size of grapefruits about 50 miles south of here…you get hit by one of those things, and you won’t find your head.

  131. Aunt Liki Liki – tell me that isn’t perfect for that prune. I’ll bet Aunt Liki Liki hasn’t been laid since 1957. I rather like that name for her and her congenial gang.

    Salami. Leggo my Eggo. Kablooey! :lol: :lol:

    I think I’ll go use that over there.

  132. Best wishes for your safety Tex. I have friends in KS and OK and I’ve never ever had anything but respect and wonder for their attitudes towards twisters.

  133. That is damning on a whole different level and the same may be said for Obama who seems right now to be a reactive bystander instead of head of the Executive.” – R

    You are bending over backwards to absolve Obama by claiming that he’s just a bystander, that there’s no way that HE could have ANYTHING to do with any of these scandals. I’d like to point out something to you R from the US Constitution.

    US Constitution, Article 1

    All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

    US Constitution, Article 2

    The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

    US Constitution, Article 3

    The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

    You’ll notice that the language is very, very clear: a Congress, one supreme court, a President. The entire Exectutive branch is vested in one person: the President. We’ve jokingly said it for years, but now your defense of the man is that he’s a pResident? How pathetic are you? Do you truly hold him accountable and responsible for nothing? Harry Truman must be spinning in his grave right now.

    You have done everything you can for years now to absolve Obama of any and all failings. It’s never his fault. This Administration has repeatedly lied. Lied!!! And still you’ll carry their water like a good boy. You demean yourself at this point…

  134. Poolman @154 ” We could focus all our energies and anger at the POTUS. Impeach him, or try him for treason, along with his band of bozos. The list is really quite extensive and the gross infractions provable.”

    Be careful what you wish for. We could get three years of Joe Biden :lol:

  135. 152 Alfie, I did it for about three years when there were more people. They didn’t like my writing “I told you so.”

    I’m glad no one here suffered undually from the storms. We had a few in the area with trees and power lines down. Iowa broke its record long tornado drought with a couple west of Des Moines. We were helping detail our daughter’s car when a deluge hit.All we got was much needed rain.

    Aunt LIki Liki admitted on the blog that she had smuggled contraband into the US. She hid illegal olive seeds in a shoe and planted them in her yard. I met an immigration agent at a wedding and he gave me the phone number of an agency in Hawaii. I called the number and told about Jean without telling where in the state she might be living.They really wanted to chat with her and to destroy the illegal, potentially environmentally dangerous tree.

    I told how she smuggled the seeds, and the man said he would share the information to alter searching procedures. Thus, Jean may unwittingly have done some good.

    I hurt her feelings when I told her she either had attended a special school or she was growing senile.

  136. Richard, the alleged nephew wrote that by the established definition, they were the trolls, not I.

  137. Gorilla there is a difference between accountability and intent. And yes I know how the road to hell is paved, but you and your brethren overstate the case when you say Obama wants to destroy the country. It’s just another flavor of Bush Derangement Syndrome.

  138. Tigre where were Reagan’s principles during Iran-Contra? Oh right, he didn’t know about it so the buck doesn’t stop with him. :roll:

  139. R, Obama said that he wanted to fundamentally change the nation. His words, not mine. Can you not see that he is actively working towards changing our country towards his vision. We can argue whether or not that is the right vision, but it is uncontestable that his vision differs from what this country has historically stood for.

    Again, you refuse to address in any substantial way the accusations leveled at the Administration. You “claim” Obama is not involved and is disconnected, but have zero evidence of such while there is mounting evidence of exactly the opposite. You “claim” that there was no malice on the part of the White House in any of these events, yet it is clear that the White House response to each was in direct response to the political repercussions that could follow from each event. Pickering and Mullen never interviewed Clinton, nor did they interview several of the survivors from the attack, which makes their findings flawed at the least. The WH has ACTIVELY prevented State Department individuals from testifying before Congress—that is interfering with an investigation that Congress is MANDATED to do in their role of oversight. Obama has been extremely opaque with the media and public perception writ large. To claim otherwise is not only grossly inaccurate but could not be based on anything other than hyper-partisanship. Finally we know that the WH was notified of IRS political targeting as early as June 2012. It wasn’t a couple random mid level employees in Cincinnati, it includes 12 offices—10 of which are in Washington DC. The head of the IRS enforcement of Obamacare was directly involved.

    Where is your substance? Where are your logical explanations? We’ve been left to equivocations, distractions and name calling from you. That’s the sum of your defense of the Administration, and quite frankly it is the bulk of your “criticism” of the Administration. Obama’s “disconnected”, except that it doesn’t appear that he’s been so disconnected and even if he was, he is solely responsible for the actions of the Executive. It is clear now that Benghazi was to protect the Administration and Clinton from damaging information in a political season, it was clear that the DOJ/AP was to protect the Administration from damaging information in a political season, and the IRS was clear political intimidation. Are you really going to rest your conscience on coincidence? Are you truly this naïve? Do you truly have this little self-respect that you will lie to yourself so readily to continue justifying your support for an Administration that has hurt you consistently?

    I would respect you more if you just came out and said, “hey, I’ve got no defense for the accusations others than to say I’m not going to believe ANYTHING till I see a smoking gun in Obama’s hand—regardless of high ranking government official involvement.” Regardless of how insanely high you seem to be putting the bar in defense of Obama, it would at least be an admission of unreasoned position based on the hope that you were not a patsy.

  140. Tigre not creepy, just very very silly.

    You’re right. It’s only creepy when it is the Hitler Youth, or the Soviet Abraham Lincoln Scouts, or some starving Nork kids singing the praises of Dear Leader. It’s totally normal and not alarming or anything when it is American kids singing wistful paeans about a President. I mean, who can forget those loveable little tykes who were constantly singing their praise songs about Richard Nixon, or Harry Truman, amirite?

    A lot of folks, me included, got swept up in 2008. Even you have to admit the rhetoric at the time was moving, particularly if you weren’t a huge fan of Bush.

    I think you’re being overly dramatic. I saw nothing to be excited about in “YES WE CAN! or SI SE PEUDE!”, “This is the moment when the oceans stopped rising…” I saw nothing inspirational in closing Gitmo, or “Barack wanting to heal the holes in our souls”. I wasn’t moved by him telling me that energy prices would necessarily skyrocket, or that people could build new coal power plants, but he would make sure they were bankrupted by regulations.

    The execution never lived up to the rhetoric.

    How does one fulfill glittering generalities, and empty talk? Seriously, unless you really believed that flying unicorms were going to shit glowing skittles all over the country, you really didn’t have many good things to expect from El Supremo’s administration.

    Mediocrity prevails.

    No, the misbegotten belief that government exists to “make people’s lives better” is what prevails. Perhaps if you had correctly conditioned your expectations by bothering to educate yourself on what can be left to government, and what NEVER should, you wouldn’t be balancing your denial and disappointment on a head of a pin right now.

    One big lesson to never forget: in politics words mean nothing.

    Talk is cheap unless it comes from someone who walks the talk. There was nothing in this empty-suited hack’s history to indicate that he ever accomplished anything other than advancing his own career and being a reliable vote for maintaining a private right of murder at any cost.

  141. Reagan said as Hillary did about Benghazi that he was responsible, but some how, neither was. Talk is cheap. Reagan may not have known while knowing.

    He like Obama “will someone rid me of this bishop?” may have created the mood with deniability to let subordinants sacrifice themselves for their leader.

    Either way, Obama loses to history. he either knew what was happening and cleverly kept the record murky or he was clueless and the pawn of his own government..

  142. Is President Obama directly implicated in the IRS scandal?
    Is the White House Visitors Log the trail to the smoking gun?
    The stunning questions are raised by the following set of new facts.
    March 31, 2010.
    According to the White House Visitors Log, provided here in searchable form by U.S. News and World Report, the president of the anti-Tea Party National Treasury Employees Union, Colleen Kelley, visited the White House at 12:30pm that Wednesday noon time of March 31st.
    The White House lists the IRS union leader’s visit this way:
    Kelley, Colleen Potus 03/31/2010 12:30
    In White House language, “POTUS” stands for “President of the United States.”
    The very next day after her White House meeting with the President, according to the Treasury Department’s Inspector General’s Report, IRS employees — the same employees who belong to the NTEU — set to work in earnest targeting the Tea Party and conservative groups around America. The IG report wrote it up this way:
    “April 1-2, 2010: The new Acting Manager, Technical Unit, suggested the need for a Sensitive Case Report on the Tea Party cases. The Determinations Unit Program Manager Agreed.”
    In short: the very day after the president of the quite publicly anti-Tea Party labor union — the union for IRS employees — met with President Obama, the manager of the IRS “Determinations Unit Program agreed” to open a “Sensitive Case report on the Tea party cases.” As stated by the IG report.

  143. The Department of Justice (DOJ) Inspector General published a new report Monday that confirms former U.S. Attorney for Arizona Dennis Burke leaked a document intended to smear Operation Fast and Furious scandal whistleblower John Dodson.

    The DOJ IG said it found “Burke’s conduct in disclosing the Dodson memorandum to be inappropriate for a Department employee and wholly unbefitting a U.S. Attorney.”

    “We are referring to OPR our finding that Burke violated Department policy in disclosing the Dodson memorandum to a member of the media for a determination of whether Burke’s conduct violated the Rules of Professional Conduct for the state bars in which Burke is a member,” the IG wrote.

    Burke resigned from his post as U.S. Attorney over the incident in August 2011, the first major Department of Justice official to leave his or her post in the Fast and Furious scandal. He said after the fact, in interviews with congressional investigators, that he now views leaking the document as a “mistake.”

    In addition to Burke’s involvement in leaking the document, emails the IG uncovered show senior officials at the Department of Justice discussed smearing Dodson.

    One of those was Tracy Schmaler, the Director of the Department’s Office of Public Affairs, who resigned her position at the DOJ after emails uncovered through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request showed that she worked with leftwing advocacy group Media Matters for America to smear whistleblowers and members of Congress and the media who sought to investigate DOJ scandals under Attorney General Eric Holder.

  144. “Tigre where were Reagan’s principles during Iran-Contra? Oh right, he didn’t know about it so the buck doesn’t stop with him.”

    I am not a defender of Iran Contra so go elsewhere for that debate. You are merely proving my point.

    However, you are welcomed to address what I did say in lieu of Alfie, though I know you won’t. :roll:

    Of course, I am tied down trying to work up my defense of the Teapot Dome scandal. . .

  145. Rutherford, I’ve been stirring the nest over at the Nags, Hags and Bags blog trying to correct some of the multitude of insidious untruths out of total boredom. It’s the strangest ordeal. Here, you and I mortal adversaries. There, you and I are blood brothers. :lol:

    Never did I think I would find an entire blog of Yeller Dawgs. Y’all are eons beyond that flock of sheeple. I’ve got to keep reminded myself which side I am on when I’m there. There’s liberal and then there is crazy.

    Undoubtedly, those mental midgets spend some time here still trying to figure out who it is that is slapping the jelly belly.

    Probably that mindless Lori wench that tried to expose you or that insufferable, hideous and cowardly Juanita “Wattle” Jean. Grandma Beehive is still exploring the IP address route to take Pfesser and me down.

    ** GUFFAW **

  146. “Was there malice in the DOJ targeting of Fox News?”

    Why should we think that? It’s not like Obama has ever singled them out for anything.

    Oh wait….

    See, this is what is dangerous about a president having an enemies list. It’s like the movie “Dead Pool.” when things start happening to people on your list, you are an obvious suspect…as you should be.

    The petty, thin-skinned president took time away from running the country to specifically target news organizations and private citizens in his speeches because they had the audacity to speak out against him or…..gasp….donate money to his political rivals. He ordered his minions to sharpen their elbows and get in the faces of the opposition. Now that we find out that is exactly what his Obama-bots did…he doesn’t want any part of it.

  147. Tex is stirring the pot at M&H’s, eh? You must have gotten bored. I thought mammy’s rants sounded familiar. Now you’re Long Duc Dong? lol. I still go there on occasion to leave a comment or embed a video. I haven’t read all the comments as they are too difficult to go through the way they are currently set up. I no longer have the patience or desire to read some of them, so I often ignore comments posted by certain individuals. But then, I do that here too. My day time is mostly taken up with business stuff anymore. Time is too fleeting.

    It looks like Chris is over there doing my job, trying to get folks to connect the dots. He hasn’t been there too long and seems to have the same drive I had when I first arrived there. I wonder how long till disillusion sets in?

    Looks like mammy and pfesser roused a few lurkers out of the shadows. :lol: I don’t know why you guys rant on Auntie Jean so much. I enjoy most of her contributions and stories. I do think she’s wrong to continue to support Obama, but at least she comes off less a sell out than so many of the others. The Obama/democrat shills make me shake my head in disgust and with disbelief.

    As for the rest, some are newbies and others are old timers. I no longer have the passion to contribute there that I once did, back when I first got involved. Really, there are plenty more delivering the same message in many venues and therefore I don’t feel I need to pound it out as often.

  148. He ordered his minions to sharpen their elbows and get in the faces of the opposition. Now that we find out that is exactly what his Obama-bots did…he doesn’t want any part of it.

    Huck is right, Rutherford. You’re asking us to suspend disbelief that the President who told them all to “punch back twice as hard” and “get in their faces” is now some detached choir boy that had no idea people were being targeted by his very own henchmen, the same henchmen Obama will use to enforce the law of Obamacare, and the multitudes of zealots from the Left.

    Milhous Obama.

    If you’re still the least bit interested in truth and respect, you got to admit Obama is culpable and dirty – as the personal names of the donors listed front and center on the Obama Reelection website.

  149. Poolman,

    Long Duc Dong. Did you like that? :smile: Can you tell I watched Sixteen Candles the other night? I just use whatever name pops into my head when I am bypassing their security for the 15th time.

    I think the administrator has finally given up trying to boot me. I usually try to make fun of him too while I’m there by negotiating a bargain price for the “cookbook” donation.

    I really think that board is manned by that Juanita “Wattle” Jean cluck. They read the same. You being at least in part from Texas, have met those fat, bigmouth Dimocratic broads trying to pattern themselves after Molly Ivins. That’s them.

  150. From BarackObama.com: “Frank Vandersloot: Frank Vandersloot is the national finance co-chairman of the Romney campaign and, through his company Melaleuca, has donated $1 million to Restore Our Future. He is also a “litigious, combative, and a bitter foe of the gay rights movement” who “spent big” on ads in an “ultimately unsuccessful effort to force Idaho Public Television to cancel a program that showed gays and lesbians in a favorable light to school children.””

    Let’s look at what happened to Mr. Vandersloot…a private citizen exercising his right to free speech and participation in our democratic process…

    “Just months after being slimed by President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign, Mitt Romney supporter and businessman Frank VanderSloot was informed that he was going to be audited not only by the Internal Revenue Service, but by the Labor Department as well.”

    When Sarah Palin put a target on her web site and that target later got shot by someone that has nothing to do with Sarah Palin or her ideology…the left went crazy, blaming Palin for instigating it. Rutherford took part in that hysteria.

    But now that Obama is the one being blamed for instigating people who DO have more than a little something to do with him…suddenly we are hearing about Reagan, curses, and willful ignorance.

  151. Rutherford…and any other lurking liberals…

    This stuff should chill you to the bone. Because if Obama can get away with it, so can a president you don’t like.

    When will Rutherford be labelled as a “co-conspirator” for researching a blog post? When will you have your emails read because of a comment you left on the Internet? When will you be audited for making a political donation?

    Disregard this slippery slope at your own peril. It’s coming…you better believe it.

  152. “But now that Obama is the one being blamed for instigating people who DO have more than a little something to do with him…suddenly we are hearing about Reagan, curses, and willful ignorance.”

    Why do you think Rutherford hardly drops by his own blog? It aint his job. Rutherford is toast. He put all his eggs in the MSNBC/Obama basket and now has nothing left. Dude is burnt as a political blogger.

    I think he should get a new pseudonym and start over.

    Ever been ripped off by a smooth talking community organizer type? A jive talker with no resume? Nothing? Voting absent. No executive experience. The con man was never even manager at a KFC or a coach of a high school baseball team. Nothing. It’s got to be embarrassing.

    And he feigns outrage because we blame the President who has already been busted as a liar. WTF does he expect? The we actually believe his excuse that he is soooooo incompetent that Obama couldn’t have been in on it? Fucking Forest Gump. Lame.

    Rutherford has one last spider hole to hide in. The incompetence of President Obama. Sad.

  153. This guy isn’t hitting a slump or under some second term curse or sufffering second album syndrome. He’s real bad news and guess what – he just knocked us up.

    I hope at least that it was good for you lefties.

  154. “he just knocked us up.”

    Too bad we can’t abort the election results and spare us all the punishment of his presidency.

  155. Too bad we can’t abort the election results and spare us all the punishment of his presidency.

    The birth of this turd would be one abortion I would not only 100% approve, but happily suction, scald, and scissor myself on the birthing table. Obama’s birth looks more like a bad Alien Movie birth.

    I just asked the bottom feeders at Hag Inc. if they even care that five departments of government are either breaking the law or lying or both (State [Benghazi], Defense [the harassment issues], Justice [monitoring of phone lines], Treasury [corruption at the IRS], Health and Human Services [shaking down companies to pay for PR for Obamacare])?

    I’ll bet even money they don’t even attempt an answer.

  156. You three are a bad influence on me. I saw your good post, Tex. I’t take that bet.

    Poolman, I don’t like Jean because she is a coward. My novelty value protected me for a while. Jean didn’t write a bad word until intermittant attacks began. Then, she chimed in. She didn’t write any attacks again until someone started it. She is also smarmy and her grasp of history is tenuous at best.

  157. Yikes! Hope you guys are okay there in OK. My prayers are with you folks. They are reporting debris from the tornado in Moore dropping down on Tulsa 90 miles away.

  158. Yes, it is horrible with at least 51 killed so far. There is little hope with a big storm like that unless you are underground.

    IVe chased storms, but never one like that. It is not uncommon for debris to blow miles from a tornado. Papers were a great distance from the Omaha May, 1975 tornado, for example.

  159. “At least he doesn’t have to push Chris Matthews out of the way to get a turn now…”

    LOL! Sick

  160. Tex – just got back in and saw the news from OK. They are saying about half of the dead are children.

    Really sorry, man. Hope you and yours are OK.

  161. Man……the pictures are unbelievable. I don’t think I’ve ever seen destruction from a tornado quite like that.

    Of course it has to hit two elementary schools.

    How fucked is that. I should have never read up on it.

  162. Everything okay here. Two days in a row now the super cells have ‘V”d around Tulsa. That’s the price you pay to live in tornado alley, I guess.

    Everything I’ve seen indicates this tornado that hit Moore was basically the same path as the May 3, 1999 Moore tornado that may have been the only F6 ever measured.

    If memory serves, that one clocked wind speeds that exceeded 320mph and literally pulled grass out of the ground in its wake – I’ve never seen anything like it before or since. Like standing behind a massive jet engine two miles wide. Incredible power.

    This one for sure an F4, possibly an F5. But it looks like it hit a more populated part of Moore, including the two schools.

    Sounds like the death toll is going to climb much higher than 51.

  163. So far, the death toll is up to 91 according to our local radio station.Years ago, a friend gave us a minute to minute video of the 1999 storm’s development. It was as close to the movie Twister as we had seen,. The Oklahoma City meteorologist who provided some of the commentary had a bit role in the movie Twister.

    Now, Dallas may be at risk today.

    If you think of it, any one of us could be dead tonight. Those children and adults never dreamed that yesterday was their last.

  164. Good that you stayed out of harms way Tex.

    More lives devastated by cruel fate. It’s almost impossible to do but we all need to live each day like it could be our last.

    Hell, I won’t even do that today. Do you think I’d choose to answer calls the last day of my life?

  165. “Hell, I won’t even do that today. Do you think I’d choose to answer calls the last day of my life?”

    How about defending Obama?

  166. Rutherford, if it weren’t for politics and your penchant for mocking religion, you probably are a nice guy.

    But you want to see why I really do hate some liberals? And I mean visceral hate. If I thought I could get away with it without hitting the gurney one day, I would kill this lady with my bare hands. I would literally beat her pathetic ass to death…fracturing her skull in a million pieces.

    She’s beyond reprehensible and is worthy of death.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2328232/Oklahoma-tornado-Daily-Show-creator-Lizz-Winstead-faces-backlash-insensitive-tweet.html

  167. A majority of Americans believe that the Obama administration is trying to cover up the facts about the Sept. 11 attack on a U.S. installation in Benghazi and the administration’s immediate response, according to a new poll released Tuesday.

    The survey, by ABC News and the Washington Post, found that 55 percent of Americans believe the Obama administration is actively attempting to cover up the facts of the Benghazi attack. By contrast, only a third say the White House is honestly disclosing what it knows.

  168. A new poll finds that a majority of Americans believe the Internal Revenue Service targeting scandal was an intentional effort to harass conservative political groups.

    In a Washington Post/ABC News poll released Tuesday, 56 percent said the IRS use of higher scrutiny on Tea Party groups seeking tax exempt status was a deliberate move, with 31 percent calling it an “administrative mistake.”

    A strong majority, 74 percent, said the IRS moves were inappropriate to 20 percent who said they were appropriate. Fifty-one percent also said they believe those actions were illegal to 44 who said they were inappropriate but not against the law.

    A plurality also believe the administration is not being forthcoming about the targeting scandal. Forty-five percent said the administration is trying to cover up facts, with 42 percent saying the White House has honestly disclosed what they know.

  169. “ABC News and the Washington Post, found that 55 percent of Americans believe the Obama administration is actively attempting to cover up the facts of the Benghazi attack.”

    Yet nearly all liberals are willing to accept and tolerate it. So fucked up. . .

  170. Any truth to the rumor that the Obama administration is now going to target F4 and F5 category storms as excessive and will put forth legislation in an attempt to make them illegal? Or are they waiting until it happens in a bluer state? Is it terrorism when nature does it?

    FYI Rutherford, to answer an earlier question, I don’t think this tornado was a staged event by the evil overlords. Looks real to me.

  171. Poolman, a natural disaster to divert attention from the mounting scandals is like manna from heaven for Obama. I’m sure he’s behind it. Just watch him supposedly “give a shit” about the people of OK — otherwise referred to by him as “the enemy.”

    I honestly didn’t think it was possible to hate Obama more than I did a few short weeks ago.

  172. Seriously. You’re enraged or surprised the IRS is targeting certain groups? Really? Isn’t that kind of what they’ve always done…

  173. R, you’re certainly in a position to elevate the discussion if you choose to and are willing to make an honest assessment without irrelevant reference to prior administrations.

  174. Optics, as they say…

    Internal Revenue Service officials not only wanted a wide variety of information from the Albuquerque Tea Party’s application for non-profit status, it also wanted to know what contacts it had with people from other political organizations too.

    That included an 83-year-old great-grandmother who was once held in a World War II internment camp, New Mexico Watchdog has discovered.

    “I’ve always paid my taxes and everything,” Marianne Chiffelle told New Mexico Watchdog. “What I do think is, it doesn’t surprise me…because of this government we have at the moment.”

    According to a review of documents conducted by the online news organization Politico, (in a story headlined “The IRS wants YOU — to share everything”), the IRS asked the Albuquerque Tea Party about connections to other groups, including “Marianne Chiffelle’s Breakfasts.”

    That prompted us to do some digging.

    It took New Mexico Watchdog less than an hour to learn that “Marianne Chiffelle’s Breakfasts” is not some restaurant chain, but a reference to the volunteer work of Chiffelle, a retiree who helps organize informal 9 a.m. meetings for members of the Bernalillo County Republican Party.

    The group meets on Fridays at a Golden Corral restaurant. “We’ve had these meetings for a long time,” Chiffelle said. “It’s not a business.”

    Chiffelle is a naturalized American citizen who was born in what was then called the Dutch East Indies, now known as Indonesia. Her father was an executive for Shell Oil and when World War II broke out Chiffelle was sent to a Japanese internment camp where she spent four years, from age 12 to 16.

    After the war, she moved to the Netherlands and in 1960 she and her late husband immigrated to the United States.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/irs-went-after-83-year-old-tea-party-granny/article/2530131

  175. Pfesser, I can say without doubt, I’ve been near Hoot Owl, OK. But I don’t think I’ve been to Hoot Owl, OK. :smile: Matter of fact, looks like I wouldn’t know I was standing in Hoot Owl, OK, if I had.

    Spavinaw Lake (on the map) is actually a beautiful part of N.E. Oklahoma. And I don’t remember if I told you about replacing my mantle over my fireplace last November to soothe the wounds of Hussein winning the election (very fun project), but I had to drive right next to Hoot Owl, OK, to get the 2″ thick piece of white oak I needed – kiln dried in one of those old huge vats 30ft tall – had the assembly line hooks coming out and everything. Most gorgeous piece of lumber (and on the cheap) I had ever held. Felt like I had stepped back into time 100 years. One and only time I had actually been to a real saw mill. Very cool and a fun drive.

    That part of Oklahoma would probably remind you much of your boyhood topography. Hilly, woody, beautiful clear water. Mickey Mantle Drive (Mickey was born in Spavinaw) is a scenic route that runs through there with maples and native oaks – beautiful in the fall. Think we’ve got a few ‘Deliverance’ types still running through the woods like WV. :smile:

  176. Beautiful, Gorilla. A picture cartoon worth a thousand words.

    At least we got “R” to admit to ‘mediocrity.’ That’s progress, I suppose. :grin:

  177. I think “scandal” is inadequate to describe what’s going on. The more I read each day, the more I am beginning to believe that this administration and its allies from top to bottom are systematically undermining the very foundations of our Republic and the rule of law.

    If this goes unpunished and nothing but a few scapegoats are fired to mask the malice at the highest levels, and yes I am going to call this malevolent, then anybody who did not support Bill Clinton or Barack Obama should begin to completely ignore the rule of law and do as they wish, including the withholding of all taxes from the federal government and scorning their supporters.

    These people are never held accountable, as our courts and laptop media political and corrupt. We need millions who still care enough to take the rule of law into their own hands to send a message before the crimes so entrenched, that we are truly helpless to stop them. Protests are useless as protests premised on some semblance of shame.

    If we don’t, we are the cowards and will have no one to blame for the totalitarianism that is going to follow.

  178. Agent: IRS’s anti-conservatism sounds about right

    “The IRS is very much to the left. They very much believe in diversity; they put people in positions because they’re women and minorities, as opposed to be being qualified for the job, which actually does great harm to the organization,” he reports. “And notoriously, over the 22 years I was there, that was done time and time and time again.”

    http://onenewsnow.com/politics-govt/2013/05/21/agent-irss-anti-conservatism-sounds-about-right

    ————–

    Of course it is. Just about every government organization is – local, state and federal. I can tell you if you were from out of town and walked into any OK governmental department, you would think we were California. The employees are not representative of the general populace.

    Unless it is in high tech and engineering, intellgence or the military, government generally lends itself to the bottom quarter of talent and capability. They wouldn’t be in those positions if they were very capable.

  179. 241. I was executor of my father’s estate. We owed some taxes which were paid, but the IRS told us we were delinquent. We sent faxes and letters, but still nothing changed.

    I searched for and found the agent’s home phone and called her. She was furious. “How did you get my number!!??” I explained the problem and she checked. She told us our files were on two different desks and the agents didn’t know.

    I wonder how often things like that happen.

  180. I wonder how often things like that happen.

    As an attorney who does probate work, I can tell you, it is more often than it should be.

    R, my latest piece has an admission that you might appreciate if you still haven’t quite found a way to quit the Chicago Messiah yet.

  181. :lol: {crickets} Jiminy Liberals.

    ———

    Strange but true, keeping this fact in mind: Less than 1% of tornadoes are rated F4-F5, the strongest tornadoes on the Fujita scale.

    Since 1991, Moore, OK, has been hit by tornadoes 8 times, a mathematical improbability itself.

    Of those eight tornadoes that have hit Moore, OK, since 1991,

    Four of them have been either F4 or F5 on the Fujita Scale. :shock:

    Obviously Central Oklahoma is ground zero for Tornado Alley.

  182. I sleep much better at night this time of year no longer being in that tornado path. If I ever had to move back, my house would be mostly underground. I suppose some of the folks will build again, throwing caution to the wind, or figuring the law of averages is on their side. It just seems to much like tempting fate. Like those that rebuild along hurricane coastlines. I’ll stick to the desert. So far we seem to be one of the most stablest of places.

  183. In Lizz Winstead’s defense and God knows she needs one, people should not be reduced to their Twitter accounts. There is something about Twitter that just cries out for misuse. Maybe folks think “how much damage can I do in 140 characters?”

    I have definitely cracked wise on Twitter. It’s that kind of venue and its there for catharsis and gut level expression. I coulda tweeted a thing or two myself today but self control prevailed.

  184. I have definitely cracked wise on Twitter. It’s that kind of venue and its there for catharsis and gut level expression.

    I’ll concede that, but at the same time, some people have NO filter anymore, and it’s usually in unguarded moments and “gut level expression” when people reveal who they really are. In Winstead’s (and others’ cases) I think they say shitty things because that’s what they really think, not because theythink it is a bon mot or an expression of rapier-like wit.

  185. And all too often, the ones who think that they are being clever and witty are just intellectually pantsing themselves.

    When that’s just Joe Dokes, it’s one thing. When it’s someone who has publicists and other people who are hired to keep them from beclowning themseves in public, it’s another thing all together.

  186. and it’s usually in unguarded moments and “gut level expression” when people reveal who they really are. In Winstead’s (and others’ cases) I think they say shitty things because that’s what they really think, not because theythink it is a bon mot or an expression of rapier-like wit.

    Bingo. Like other Tweets I’ve read and radio programs that slip here and there.

  187. Im sitting in the childerens hospital with my 3 year old boy. His platelets were at 10. I can’t believe this is happening. Tex knows why there is a super irony to this but I would out me.

    I dont understand God. Im not even sure he likes me. But, I have nowhere to go but Him.

  188. I don’t think we can understand God, rabbit. Not with our finite pea brains anyway. BTW, He loves you, but may not like you at all. Big difference. I don’t know what is happening with your son, but I pray healing to his body and balance restored to his system. I pray peace that passes all understanding for you and mrs rabbit and your boys. Sometimes He forces us into relationship. We’re a pretty prideful breed.

  189. Rabbit didn’t one of your boys have billirubin issues at birth? Is it related somehow?

    In any case, my thoughts are with you. Hang in there.

  190. And as for Poolman’s comment at 259 — the only way to believe in God (which is why I have trouble doing so) is to believe that his wrath and protection can somehow exist side by side. Nine dead children in OK clearly from “an act of God” but Okie’s are praying to Him for mercy today. Makes zero sense to me and perfect sense to Poolman and Tex (and Muffy and BiC).

  191. Just threw off comment reference numbers because I found one of Tex’s comments in my SPAM folder. So my earlier reference to Poolman’s 259 should now be 260.

  192. I hope you have another blog post in the works, Rutherford, because I have a feeling this comment string is about to turn bad….

  193. Rutherford, all physical life includes death in its scope. We kill plants and animals in vast quantities daily to enable us to physically live on. We were not meant to be coddled and those that are are unprepared for life’s hardships. Jesus said, “In this world you will have tribulation, but be of good cheer…” Physical life isn’t the ultimate achievement, rather the vehicle for our journey through His creation. You should always live each moment like it was your last, because it is uncertain. That is what is so great. When you understand that you have no guaranties and no power on your own, that’s when you can exercise and stretch your faith. Or, I suppose, get into a fetal position and expect others to comfort and protect you. Sometimes those others take the form of government.

    You have the moment, make the best of it while you still can. Don’t fall into the entitlement trap. No one deserves life, it is a free gift. Use it to bless or use it to curse. It is the human choice.

    Sometimes death is a welcome relief. Other times we feel it is unfair or too soon and tragic. That is our small brain knowledge. Yes we have compassion, but often for the wrong purpose. If it were up to us, things would not change from our zone of comfort. When we face death we can truly live.

    So yes, children dying under any circumstance is often deemed tragic. We think of the potential taken away from them. We claim it unfair and wonder how a just Creator could allow it. Some take that time to consider the blessing that person was to know, and though they will be missed, hold them dear with the hope of reunion.

    Some of us know there is a better place where evil has no hold, taxes and war have no place, pain and sorrow are no more, and we await that day when we can see the Lord face to face. Knowing I am closer with every new day is actually comforting to me. I guess that is something most non believers would not share or understand.

  194. God gave us free will. That included freedom from his will. Bad things are not inflicted upon us by him. Thats not how it works.

  195. DR – ten thousand is pretty low. Do you know of an underlying cause, or is this unexpected?

    If you have any questions that the docs are not doing a good job explaining, feel free to contact me personally or on this blog.

    p_fesser_53_at_gmail_dot_com. Remove all underscores, convert at to @, dot to . (obviously)

  196. Pfesser, don’t certain medications cause platelet count to drop temporarily? Seems like some antibiotics do that if I remember my microbiology, as does a deficiency of Vitamin K.

    Rabbit, the doctors will check all this I’m sure, but you’re not using anything like rat poisoning around the house, are you? Anyway, I will be checking today. Please let us know how you and your son are doing ASAP.

    And yes my friend, it is ironic.

  197. Rutherford,

    Just a quickie. You have such a childish and jaded opinion of what the Almighty represents. Did you read what Rabbit just wrote? Rabbit has no place else to go. And the truth of the matter is, in these situations none of the rest of us do either. I can assure you at this moment God is not only with Rabbit, but with his son.

    Your timing whether intentionally malicious or not, is so callous that I can see where you would share sympathy with sister Lizz.

    I don’t claim to be able to speak for God, as I am as limited as you in understanding. Every disciple but one was martyred in the most gruesome ways available at the time. Eye witnesses to the physical manifestation of God, all who were responsible for facilitating the early church. And He didn’t intervene. It didn’t stop them from praying until the last possible moment.

    Another: God left his chosen people in bondage for 400 years before He acted and then they wandered the desert out of disobedience for another 40 after that. And yet the only two who remained faithful and showed courage, walked into the promised land (Israel) as old men for their faith. From their leadership, the nation of Israel was born.

    Christians don’t believe life ends at physical death. That doesn’t spare us from hardship anymore than it does you. Christianity is not a magic pill for good health, nor promises of riches.

    We pray anyway. It’s called faith and it strengthens us in ways you are simply incapable of understanding at present. Tribulation brings even more prayer for the mature Christian.

    But why don’t you for a temporary period of time, can the mockery until this passes for Rabbit and perhaps say a prayer for his son? Would it harm you in anyway to do otherwise?

  198. I don’t think he’s mocking our faith, moreso baffled by it. It isn’t logical to him, yet totally logical to us. “In my weakness, He is made strong” doesn’t compute for Rutherford. He is looking to man for strength. Someday he may see how weak that is from an eternal POV. Man is unable to save himself let alone others. We are a part of something much greater than the sum of its parts.

  199. Pfessor, Tex

    It’s at 7000 now. No rat poison or lead poison. They think this is acute idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura which is actually good news.

    All of his blood work is coming back normal. Just the platelets. Classic acute ITP.

  200. Rutherford, did you know Glenn Beck defended Lizz. W?

    rabbit, It is a relief that conditions are coming back to normal.

    We shouldn’t mock or question anyone’s religion. “Whatever gets you through the night.”

  201. DR – no reason at this point to think anything really bad, since the labs are all good. How did you end up taking him to the doc? Was he having skin hemorrhages?

    We used to transfuse these kids based on low platelet counts, but now they just watch them unless they are afraid of bleeding.

    One of the best lines ever was out of “The Waltons.” John is having problems with one of his children, and takes a walk up Walton’s Mountain to think. He thinks out loud and says to his father, now dead, “You were right, Pa; nobody can hurt you like your kids.”

    I’m not religious, but bless you. It is a vulnerability for which there is no help.

  202. Thanks Pfessor.

    I was out jogging when my wife texted me that she thinks our boy has Leukemia. Of course, I told her she was nuts but turned around and did a mile and half sprint home.

    He had all these little bruises on his shins and these weird little light purple bumps under his skin, mostly on his tummy.

    I told her its from soccer and playing baseball. My wife was insistent…..So, I took him to the local 24 hour med stop. They immediately told me to go to the ER. At the ER, his blood work came back with super low platelets. They didn’t know what was going on and were so concerned they immediately had be check out and go to U of M Ann Arbor where the bad ass hemo docs work.

    So….while my wife was wrong about the Leukemia…she was right about the platelets. Pretty amazing call. She watches this show called Mystery Diagnosis.

    Right now it’s all about how his body reacts to the treatment. If he rejects it or his platelets don’t go up, then he gets some form of chemo. It takes a long time to administer the dose.

    I like the docs here because they have swagger, confidence and have no problem talking stats.

  203. God gave us free will.

    And we caused the tornado to demolish Moore OK? That was our free will?

    Noah stop trying to make sense of the nonsensical. Just agree it’s blind faith that some of us have and some of us don’t and leave it at that.

  204. And yes my friend, it is ironic.

    I have puzzled over Rabbit’s comment about irony and outing and can only conclude Rabbit’s real last name is Platelet.

    Trying to keep up with our master Internet forensic sleuth Tex Taylor.

  205. Good news, Mr. Rabbit. Has your son had any recent infection(s) that you are aware that he received treatment?. I was reading up on it to see what the general long-term prognosis was.

  206. We pray anyway. It’s called faith and it strengthens us in ways you are simply incapable of understanding at present. Tribulation brings even more prayer for the mature Christian.

    But why don’t you for a temporary period of time, can the mockery until this passes for Rabbit and perhaps say a prayer for his son? Would it harm you in anyway to do otherwise?

    What you’ve said here (first paragraph) is 100% true. As I just said to Noah, it is blind faith that you either have or don’t have.

    Mockery implies intent to insult, which I did not have. I was expressing to Poolman (etal.) one of the many reasons why the God thing doesn’t work for me.

    If you bothered to read the thread carefully, you’ll note I told Rabbit I would be thinking of him. It’s the best I can do. If there is a God who hears my thoughts and it makes some difference, so much the better.

  207. It’s not blind faith, Rutherford. That’s the point and you’re not getting it. If it were simply blind faith, I’d be the biggest skeptic on this board. If I have done nothing else in our five year relationship, I hope I have convinced you of my cynical nature.

    Want I can’t answer is why God allows it to happen. And neither can anyone else. People on the southern plains understand that they sit with a bulls eye on their back and live with those potential consequences of the possibility of the most violent storms on earth. It is the same way people living on the ring of fire understand the potential for tsunamis, earthquakes and volcanoes.

    Blind faith doesn’t go by eye witnesses of eye witnesses living. It doesn’t go by 3 billion perfectly aligned nucleotides in every living cell to create and sustain life. Blind faith is not marveling at the heavens and its complexity or witnessing prophetic texts come true.

    I can confirm that Rabbit’s first name is Platelet, followed by “Dead”, then Rabbit. :wink:

    Rabbit, Tigre and I exchanged pleasantries and traded family pics once. We know a little about each others history and the like. Other than the physical pics of what we and our families look like, nothing you don’t already know too.

    You’re still the server and we are the patrons; one big dysfunctional family that I divorced for a time.

  208. Lol….no…my name isnt Platelet. That cracked me up. And my “irony” isnt that ironic after further diagnosis. Id tell you but Im super paranoid about those Fat Granny people doing something nasty. I doubt they would care enough to do the sluething.

    Rutherford, I didn’t pray for my boy to be magically fixed. I prayed for my boy and my family to be able to handle what comes our way like soldiers.

    God gives strength, dude. There are bigger things then me. Last night, in the grip of fear, I realized that even if my faith in God ends up being false, there is no more noble place to put my faith. So if I’m wrong, I sink in the great void of nothingness with my head held high. We all have faith in something.

  209. At a hearing Wednesday, House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) said his committee has hearned that IRS official Holly Paz was aware of the agency’s political targeting one year ago.

    “Just yesterday the committee interviewed Holly Paz, the director of exempt organizations, rulings and agreements, division of the IRS,” Issa said in his opening statement. “While a tremendous amount of attention is centered about the inspector general’s report, or investigation, the committee has learned from Ms. Paz that she in fact participated in an IRS internal investigation that concluded in May of 2012, May 3rd of 2012, and found essentially the same thing that Mr. George found more than a year later.”

    “Think about it,” he said. “For more than a year, the irs knew that it had inappropriately targeted groups of americans based on their political beliefs, and without mentioning it, and in fact without honestly answering questions that were the result of this internal investigation.”

  210. Rutherford, you act as if God should be a lucky charm and a benevolent mother. If earth were heaven on earth, there would be no need for heaven.

    Let me ask you a question. A serious question and one you can answer because there is no right or wrong.

    Say for one moment, I am right and the Bible is right, which calls “life” a vapor. We would both agree the span of 80 years or so is not much in the grand scheme of earth, much less eternity.

    If the choice is to be with God for eternity in the place the Almighty calls home in an incorruptible body without decay versus being without God and living all of eternity with regret…

    …what is 80 years, or 60 years, or 40 years, or even 10 years when compared with eternity? That doesn’t even register as a breath.

    If I am right, perhaps life is God teaching all of us the virtue of being like Him. Perhaps He provides just enough blessings to make life bearable to go on, but not perfection so that we can understand what perfection really is as we stand in the joy of His presence.

    I once heard an analogy provided to children to provide example of the difference between heaven and earth. A child asked “Why is heaven not discussed in detail in the Bible? Or more likely, why can’t we just have heaven?” And the preacher said perhaps it’s like putting a meal in front of a small child with a piece of chocolate cake right behind the plate. If the child sees the chocolate cake, he has no interest in eating his broccoli. But if the child is promised chocolate cake if he finishes his dinner, then he does all that is necessary to keep him whole first. I know that is terribly simple. But it is applicable to us adults too.

    You and I are the same basic age. You do realize that even if we live out our days, we’re probably down to about four digits now if we are lucky. And many of those in a less than stellar state. I’m already feeling the decay – I’m not sure you ever left the decay.

    Don’t you wish for something better? If you do, why are you so opposed to at least experiencing the chance of that possibility? What do you have to lose? Billions of believers are not believing, by living in a vacuum. There are apparently many things visible that are not visible to you.

    Don’t be so mindless, even arrogant, to believe that all around you is capable of being seen and understood.

    Somethings you willingly accept without understanding, still knowing they must be true.

  211. In my conversations with my God, He recently gave me an image or vision or explanation (call it what you will) that I was able to share with others and has helped me understand why we all go through constant hardship on this earth.

    He reminded me how I love the vast beauty of everything in nature. The majestic mountains with all the rock faces, the canyons, the beaches, the rivers and streams, and the very worn pathways I have explored throughout the world, down to each grain of sand. I even admire worn shoes. :grin:

    He told me the beauty I see and enjoy has been formed entirely from the continual stresses and forces that wear and shape these elements. I was given a vision of the earth spinning with wind, water, and sand sculpting peaks, twisting the trees, and etching valleys.

    It is through this constant tempering that we ourselves become strong and truly beautiful, that is, if we don’t hide behind the virtual walls we construct for protection and self preservation.

  212. This is just a portion of the article, but again, it destroys R’s primary argument of ignorant mediocrity. We’ve gone from the smartest man in the world to the dumbest guy in the building, all in a effort to protect his corrupt ass from scrutiny. Pathetic doesn’t begin to describe it…

    …His presidency has been grounded in the fantasy that there’s “nothing we can’t do” through government action if we just put all our faith in it — and, by extension, in him. We are the ones we’ve been waiting for, he tells us, and if we just give over to a post-political spirit, where we put aside our differences, the way America (allegedly) did during other “Sputnik moments” (one of his favorite phrases), we can give “jobs to the jobless,” heal the planet, even “create a kingdom [of heaven] right here on Earth.”

    For Obama, the only things separating America from redemption are politics, specifically obstruction from unhinged Republicans and others clinging to outdated and vaguely illegitimate motives. Opposition to gun control is irrational because the “government is us.” Reject warnings “that tyranny is always lurking,” he told the graduating class at Ohio State, because a self-governing people cannot tyrannize themselves.

    But, suddenly, when the administration finds itself ensnared by errors of its own making, the curtain is drawn back on the cult of expertise and the fantasy of statist redemption. Early on in the IRS scandal, before the agency’s initial lies were exposed, David Axelrod defended the administration on the grounds that the “government is so vast” the president “can’t know” what’s going on “underneath” him. Of course, it was Obama who once said, “I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors.”

    That is, when things are going relatively well. When scandal hits the fan, he goes from the “government is us” to talking of his own agencies the way a czar might dismiss an injustice in some Siberian backwater. The hubris of omnicompetence gives way to “lighten up, we’re idiots.”

    Many of his defenders now rush to insist that it’s unfair to hold him to too high a standard. He’s just a man, just a politician. Well, duh.

    Meanwhile, Obama insists that he is outraged. And, if sincere, that’s nice. But so what? What the president seems to have never fully understood is that the Founders were smarter than he is or that the American people aren’t as dumb as he thinks we are. His outrage is beside the point.

    A free people will have legitimate differences on questions of policy. A government as vast as ours is — never mind as vast Obama wants it to be — is destined to abuse its power, particularly in a climate where a savior-president is incessantly delegitimizing dissent (and journalistic scrutiny)…

    Read more: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/05/22/obamas_idiot_defense_118507.html#ixzz2U2VLf5g2
    Follow us: @RCP_Articles on Twitter

  213. So, Doug Shulman, former Director for the IRS, went to WH 118 times in 104 weeks. When asked why he went so often, his response was that he went once for the Easter egg roll… Once, sometimes twice, a week for two years. This stinks to high hell…

  214. Thinking of you and your family as well, Tex. Hope all is well.

    As I hope your boy doing well, Thor.

    Unfortunately, my father was recently diagnosed with Alzheimer’s which didn’t come as a total shock, but was still very tough on my mom. The changes are quite noticeable since December.

    Yesterday did trouble me. My dad was having problems eating a roll (with a fork). Don’t ask me why a fork, perhaps because he is also blind. My mother told him to put the fork down and use his hands. She heard a noticeable sob as she had her back to him, looked over, and he had the fork grasped with both hands, unable to let go. I hope he goes very quickly, but that is generally not the typical route of Alzheimer’s, I understand.

    I’m learning about it as time goes on…

    We all take too much for granted.

  215. Poolman, :lol: {holding head in hands}

    Even when I do agree with you and Brother Nate (nice snow effect, by the way), you don’t really believe this is some sort of Jewish cabal, do you?

    Or if you can’t bring yourself to admit that, tell me you understand these secular Obama Jews (JINO) are very different from those in Israel too.

    I sure do like the way Brother Nate pans over the screen. Where does Father Guido Nathaniel live?

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xl8r4w_saturday-night-live-weekend-update-father-guido-sarducci_fun#.UZ0Cw5zktMY

  216. Real snow, Tex. I think he lives somewhere in Pennsylvania. I agree with what Jesus has to say about the Jews. Br Nate was raised a Jew. He’s a bit eccentric, but I can’t argue with his truths.

  217. Now, apparently the FBI is killing off witnesses that might know real truth about the supposed suspects from the Boston false flag incident. Surprised no comments re comment 266. Obvious setup with photographic and published proof.

    Tsk, tsk. I guess psychologists are right about us.

  218. Tex, sorry about your dad. My MIL has Alzheimer’s. We had her diagnosed a year ago yesterday. She was located to a care facility last August and has rapidly declined. She’s only 76. Can’t form sentences or remember things. Doesn’t recognize people some days. Now she likes dogs and cats, which she hated before. Eats foods she never liked. Totally different personality. She’s actually nice and friendly, something I never remember from her during her ‘sane’ years, though she always did like me.

  219. I usually reserve Br Nate for the coliseum. I’ve left a couple hits there, but this one seemed apropos for the current thread. He’s no fan of democrats OR republicans, but I haven’t heard him criticize the the Pope or Vatican. We all have our biases. Sometimes one has to be colorful or boisterous to gain public attention. I think it a product of our hyped society.

    I got to get out and check a couple jobs, so I’ll leave you all at peace. I got too many sites I catch up on and easily get sucked up into virtual space. Looks like it’s now up to 96 degrees on the back patio. Woohoo! Thank you Father for an air conditioned ride. :wink: Y’all have a blessed day!

  220. Thanks, Huck. I hope he is comfortable until the end – most die from pneumonia. And that is my goal – to take care of my parents. Believe it or not, I’m actually more concerned for my mom who is caring for him.

    And thank you, Poolman.

    Like your MIL, my dad has become so meek and mild, I have gotten to where I really like him. He’s actually pretty funny, but he keeps getting the back patio confused with the ramp/platform/ramp I built him. Told me I was a talented “concrete” man. :lol: Pretty ironic that it took an incurable death sentence for us to like each other.

  221. And we caused the tornado to demolish Moore OK? That was our free will?

    No. Free will was choosing to live in tornado alley. Or making a home in the west, in areas prone to catastrophic fires, or in the volcanicly active areas of the Pacific Northwest, or deciding to risk shaking all over by living in California, or blowing away in hurricanes on the Gulf Coast. When you chose to do that, and what has happened in the past and can happen again happens, you don’t get to blame that on God…even people like you who talk a lot about him, but understand nothing of him don’t get to do that. Especially since it defies the same logic I ofter hear people like you claiming that Crhistianity lacks.

    Noah stop trying to make sense of the nonsensical. Just agree it’s blind faith that some of us have and some of us don’t and leave it at that.

    Nothing “blind” about it, but thanks for the implication that I’m somehow willing and eager to suspend the function of a well-trained mind to blindly subscribe to a belief that is “nonsensical”.

  222. “God gave us free will.

    And we caused the tornado to demolish Moore OK? That was our free will?

    Noah stop trying to make sense of the nonsensical. Just agree it’s blind faith that some of us have and some of us don’t and leave it at that.”

    Leave it to you to twist my words. I have really never understood why atheists are not satisfied with their self professed superior understanding of all that is, but always go an additional step or two further. It is not enough for you that you don’t believe in God. Like a Jehovah-witness, you have to try and convert everyone you see into believing as you do. Almost always this is done through insult/belittlement and bigotry. To be atheist almost always means overtly hostile to religious folks.

    I’m going to let this one pass. If you had an honest question, no harm no foul. But your position is to always twist and manipulate and comes from a place of hate and disrespect, and I have had my fill. Consider very careful Rutherford the next time you try and belittle or cross me on this subject. I’m not even half kidding.

  223. So it just came out today that our Peace Prize President has drone killed more Americans than foreigners that were waterboarded by Bush.

    That must really peeve Lurker. I’ll bet she is organizing a mass protest in DC as we speak.

  224. Tex, hang in there, my man. The loss of socialization with severe dementia (Alzheimer’s type in particular) can be really, really tough. I was asked for help the other night by a neighbor-friend who was black and blue from the beating she took from her dad who had nearly killed his wife with the phone receiver before she got there to get her beat-down. Not that you’ll encounter that extreme, and as you probably already knew or have researched, balancing medications can make a huge difference during the decline. Alzheimer’s is a bitch.

  225. DR, I hope things are working out okay for your boy. Few things make a man feel more helpless than having one of their own suffer a medical crisis. Let us know when he’s in the clear.

  226. Thanks Tigre. Tomorrow around 10 am is huge. Bloodwork. Most important cross road of my life to date. I need these fucking platelets to get producing. I love my boy so much. We are inseparable. He was hanging out with these bald, seriously sick and bloated kids in the play room and he doesn’t seem to notice anything superficial. Just speaks to them like they are anyone else. Almost made me start choking up. Pure innocence. My kid aims to please so much he barely complains about getting stuck for bloodwork. The doctors and nurses are in disbelief.

    I care for my father-in-law who has had Alzheimer’s since he was 58. It is tough. What sucks with him is that he doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt as an old person out in public. That and he loves racial jokes at inappropriate times.

    He is a very hard guy to get a long with. I have this stoner buddy from my old neighborhood who we ended up hiring full time to hang out with him. Match made in heaven. Both grizzled. Both smoke Marlboro Reds. Both hate blacks with a passion. I’ve even brought the dude up before. He’s the one that had a gun put into his mouth because he showed up two black dudes on a basketball court.

  227. Tigre,

    My dad is in such bad shape, that he loses breath just standing up. It’s a weird experience to hear your dad sob (common I understand) when I had never seen him so much as shed a tear my first 52 years of life.

    Thank all of you for the graciousness. And Rabbit, I will be thinking about you at 10:00 AM. Please let us know.

  228. Rutherford, are you still doing a radio gig? Just curious. I know you did feature Lee Camp. The guy is shooting the curl right now, imo.

  229. Wow, I’m struck by what a hard time some of our long time regulars are going through.

    Rabbit the first time my daughter was really sick as an infant I was devastated. The feeling of helplessness when your little one is sick and you can’t make it all better just tears your heart out. It’s probably one of the several reasons why the Newtown shooting threw me into a deep depression last year. I couldn’t help thinking of those parents whose kids trusted them to send them to a safe place everyday, rather than to a death trap.

    Tex, your struggles make me feel like a real scumbag for taking shots at your father recently. My Dad is 85 and still has his faculties but the thought he could lose them has troubled me for the past few years. The other thing I have a hard time with is the knowledge that even healthy, he knows he doesn’t have much time left …. even if he lives into his 90’s, 10 years go by in a flash. The opposite of “having your whole life in front of you”.

    My only hope in my own life is that if I make it to “old age” that my superficial troubles of money will be behind me and I can enjoy what time I have left with my wife relatively worry-free.

  230. Yeah Poolman, I still feature Camp on the show. The last clip of his that I played was on climate change. He’s got one on the Pentagon producing memory-erasing drugs that is right up your alley. :-)

  231. Tex to briefly answer an earlier question about my job — boredom is not the problem. I have this facility to find something amusing in the most mundane of things. I always tell my daughter only boring people get bored.

    I think the biggest problem is what I have discovered about myself. With rare exception I’m really not that empathetic. My elderly callers move me. My few callers who have a child in danger move me. For all the others I honestly don’t give a huge damn about their inconvenience. I’m disappointed to find this out about myself because I always thought I was a nicer person than that.

    My one consolation about this job that it was the first truly altruistic job I’ve ever had is proving shallow. I’d rather help people diagnose their satellite TV dish so they don’t miss “Dancing with the Stars” than get them off the side of the road.

    Perhaps I’m as superficial as you have accused me of?

  232. What I find with a lot of people that want my help is that I really feel the great underlying need to take their head off and screw it down right. Usually their symptoms are a result of bad habits. I spend much time trying not to be judgmental in my choice of words and often dance the fine albeit subtle line between disciplinarian and compassionate sympathizer.

  233. “enjoy what time I have left with my wife”

    Do that anyway and do it every day.

    Anyone who can put up with your ass deserves some enjoyment ;)

  234. Remember, this is not an exhaustive list…

    The standard rule for handling bad news in politics is to get it all out at once. Take your hits for a news cycle, two or three. And then try to move on.

    The conventional wisdom has been that the worst thing to do is allow the bad news to dribble out, poison drop by poison drop, for days, weeks, even months.

    Yet that is precisely what Barack Obama has done — and continues to do in his current epidemic of embarrassments — over a decade of controversies and scandals. The amazing thing is, so far, it’s worked like a charm. So, why should he change?

    Ignore it. Dismiss it. Dissemble it to death. Didn’t know about it. Point at others. Have others point at others. Have others suggest the criticism is really racial. Stay aloof. Stretch the whole thing out as long as possible. Then call every ensuing question old news, that you’ve discussed it many times. Hope the problem goes away.

    And, by golly, usually it has for Obama.

    Whether that will work this time in the face of three major, simultaneous scandals and the independent investigations certain to grow from them remains an open question. Will the Chicago Democrat skate again? Or will the events, the lies, the half-truths, the cover-ups forever stain his once-historical presidential legacy?

    Barack Obama is no stranger to scandal. Here’s a recap of a few:

    — Benghazi should be the most serious scandal since it involved the deaths of four Americans from unpreparedness and inaction in the face of violent attacks and misleading ensuing excuses devised and spoken by the president and those around him.

    When Osama bin Laden was whacked by SEALs, we got a minute-by-minute account of what Obama was doing, as if watching on Dronecam from a secure White House basement bunker was some kind of feat.

    Truthless TV talking points aside, on Benghazi we still don’t know A) where Obama was throughout the violent night of 9/11, possibly packing for another fundraising foray in Las Vegas, B) Who forbid prepared Special Ops forces from racing to the rescue or C) Why Benghazi consulate security had been reduced despite pleas for more in preceding weeks.

    The commander-in-chief has even professed ignorance of eyewitness accounts being muzzled by State Department officials.

    — Probably the most serious scandal for Obama, however, is the selective targeting of conservative political groups by the Internal Revenue Service, whose coercive tentacles touch virtually every American.

    Typically, Obama says he knew nothing about it. He didn’t even know there was a bombshell investigation about to come out because — wait for it — his chief attorney and chief of staff didn’t think to tell him about the approaching political IED in the weeks before.

    This disdain for detail from the man who meticulously designs his own NCAA brackets for a sports special each March.

    He has now succeeded in focusing the public discussion on when someone else knew and why she didn’t tell him.

    — Obama’s so-called press secretary claims the chief executive has the highest regard for freedom of the press — as in the very First Amendment. However, Obama does not regard as a scandal or violation the FBI naming a reporter professionally pursuing information as a criminal conspirator in order to access his private email account and his parents’ to identify a State Department leaker.

    Nor is Obama concerned over the FBI pursuing phone records of AP journalists without even seeking their help. Safe to bet, however, that this administration does not mind the aura of intimidation that hangs over would-be whistle-blowers and their potential press contacts.

    The Justice probers, however, have not shown similar diligence in tracking leakers of information that made Obama looked good in the war on terror, which he doesn’t like to call a war on terror.

    — The Fast and Furious scandal offered Atty. Gen. Eric Holder the opportunity to claim ignorance of the gun-running operation by agents within his department. They successfully helped drug dealers smuggle hundreds of weapons from the United States into Mexico, resulting in the deaths of scores.

    So eager were Obama and Holder to get to the bottom of this lethal mess that when congressional investigators sought internal messages and memos, Obama refused, claiming executive privilege. This claim is now being litigated, which conveniently stretches out the incident.

    — Solyndra was a solar-panel company that received more than a half-billion taxpayer dollars before going bankrupt. But it’s just one of dozens of such so-called green energy projects that received billions of dollars in Obama administration subsidies before going belly-up and/or being sold to China. It is perhaps an amazing coincidence that many of these defunct firms had connections to Obama campaign fundraisers.

    — Remember the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? He was the Chicago pastor who over 20 years married the Obamas, baptized their children and somehow delivered his startlingly racist, anti-Semitic, anti-American sermons only on Sundays when Obama was absent.

    Back in 2008 Obama said he had no recollection of such videotaped outrages and could no more renounce the reverend than his white grandmother — until six weeks later in his bitter primary contest with Hillary Clinton, Obama did renounce Wright. Wright later told Edward Klein, author of “The Amateur,” that he’d been offered a large sum of money to stay quiet about his close relationship with Obama.

    — During Obama’s presidential transition in late 2008, suspicions arose that his team had been in contact with Illinois’ governor over which Democrat should be named to fill Obama’s vacant Senate seat. The governor was later convicted of trying to sell the nomination.

    Obama named his own lawyer to investigate his own team and you might not be surprised to learn that Obama’s lawyer completely exonerated Obama’s team.

    — The grease of Chicago’s machine politics is a bevy of shadowy, unelected men who fundraise, broker deals and otherwise assist Democrat pols so their hands can look clean. Tony Rezko was one.

    We say “was,” because the Syrian-born Rezko now resides in federal prison. But beginning in the 1990s he was a close friend of Obama and Rod Blagojevich, a congressman who would go on with the help of Obama and Rezko to become governor and, now, also a resident of federal prison.

    Here’s how it works in the Windy City: After Obama’s Senate election in 2004, he wanted a nicer house. He found one on the South Side but could not afford the asking price, which was enlarged because the seller wanted to include a vacant lot next door.

    Obama went to his “friend” Tony for “advice.” Then, here’s what happened: On the very same day that Barack and Michelle closed on the house at a reduced price, Tony Rezko’s wife, who had no visible means of income, purchased the vacant lot at full price. She then peeled off a strip of it to sell to the Obamas.

    This made the lot remainder too small for any development, which was OK because it guaranteed the Obamas no close neighbor on that side.

    In 2008 the future president dismissed most questions on this as old news. He has never really offered full explanations of the amazing coincidences that benefited him in those deals, though he did once confess poor judgment dealing with Rezko, even as those nosy feds were investigating him.

    Oh, by the way, the real estate agent collecting the commission for that land deal was Patti Blagojevich, the then-governor’s wife. So, as usual in Chicago, it was win-win-win financially for the bigs — except, of course, for the prison sentences.

  235. By the by, Tex, sorry to hear and hope things work out for the best. Quick but peaceful sounds best.

    DR, hope your boy is better soon. I know how you feel about your kids–my boys are my life so…

  236. My one consolation about this job that it was the first truly altruistic job I’ve ever had is proving shallow. I’d rather help people diagnose their satellite TV dish so they don’t miss “Dancing with the Stars” than get them off the side of the road.

    :lol: Do you cover Oklahoma? I just know I am going to get you on the line one day when I’m stuck in this old truck with the dog in the car and you’ll figure out who it is and strand me. Thank goodness I never called into the radio show.

    Huck’s message to you was right. Death has a way of refocusing our priorities – enjoy yourself. None of us are leaving this place alive.

    And I’ve kind of gotten the same way. You know all that volunteer work I used to do? Now the only thing I do it for is people I like and empathy is pretty much a thing of the past. This country for the most part disgusts me anymore.

    Even the people lining up in Moore to speak to the cameras. Why do TV cameras attract the worst of society? I promise you not every person in Oklahoma is fat, poorly spoken, disheveled, and dumb. But you would think so after listening to the interviews. Fame is now God and the Fat Grannies crowd line up for the camera.

    ———-

    On a more personal note, when I hear these idiots talking about how Jesus saved them and they act like they are happy, I think of this verse from Proverbs 25:20:

    Singing cheerful songs to a person with a heavy heart is like taking someone’s coat in cold weather or pouring vinegar in a wound.

    I’m a Christian. And still I believe all the same laws of nature apply equally to Christians. I want to ask them, “Why didn’t Jesus save those little children then?”

    Trust me, Rutherford. There’s a lot of superficial people calling themselves Christian too who don’t get it. I understand the cynicism.

  237. Thank you, Gorilla. Today, my sister will be in town and my mom and sister will be going to check out assisted living while I stay with my father. It will be a long day.

    This is one of those days were I am glad I’m “retired/unemployed/bum” anymore. It’s given me a chance to be a lot of help to my mom recently.

  238. Tex – Thinking about your Dad. I may have sent you this before:

    An old FOAF, Tom Beavers, musing on life and getting old:

    Doctor Magnum

    Doctor Magnum, genius wise,
    Can diagnose, I so surmise,
    Every mortal pain and ill,
    Cure everything with one blue pill.

    Every ailment known to man,
    Of body or mind since time began,
    Responds to Magnum’s simple cure;
    His healing art is swift and sure.

    When life has fruitful been, and long,
    The urge to strive and win been strong,
    There comes a time of failing strength
    And faltering will to do, at length.

    The strong man quails at thought that he
    At last with broken sword shall be
    All weaponless before his foes,
    As fragile as a sun dried rose.

    Life to me has been most kind;
    No burdens would I leave behind,
    For I would go as I have come,
    No fanfare, grief, or throb of drum.

    No sermon, song, or eulogy
    When I pass to eternity,
    For I my final leave would take,
    And not one tiny ripple make.

    Avaunt the thought that I would lie
    Averse to live, afraid to die,
    While others say what’s to be done,
    And how my last lap should be run.

    So when I sense life’s near its end,
    To Magnum’s clinic I shall wend,
    And cheerily say, “Doc, ease my pains;
    Release me from these irksome chains.”

    Tom Beavers

    Old age is why God made airplanes. I have invented a patented aerobatic maneuver – the ground loop. It is a loop in which part of the arc intersects the ground. Hope if I get like your Dad I have the nerve…

  239. re: Alzheimer’s. My MIL in Wisconsin has it and is progressing rapidly. She has that worried, knitted brow they get as they slowly lose their bearings. She is totally dependent on her husband to remain oriented. If we ask her, Mom did you go to church this morning, she’ll turn to her husband and say, John did we go to church this morning? My wife and I took her grocery shopping. God thing there were two of us; she wandered away a couple of times. Reminds me of Auntie Liki-Liki.

    Our plans are that, if her husband goes first, we will bring her to Virginia. Ya gotta love geeks. My house is so heavily wired with Cat 5 cable that the technician remarked that if we had a fire I wouldn’t fall out of bed; the cables would hold me. I can put sensors and cameras anywhere and everywhere. And should she wander off, this climate is lots warmer than WI!

    re: swallowing. As the brain slowly turns off neuron by neuron, oftentimes they lose muscle coordination in their throats and get to the place where they cannot swallow. Typically they get PEG tubes then; if they are really incoherent, my advice is to exercise some benign neglect at that point.

    Once they get bed-bound they typically last less than a year. I visited my seventh-grade teacher in the hospital before she died and, try as I might, I could not superimpose that zombie’s face on the one I remembered. It’s an ugly disease. I laugh at people who think “nature” is so pure and pristine. Hell, nature is the ENEMY; its entire goal is to pass your genes on and then KILL you.

    We could say, there but for the grace of God go we, but unfortunately, in spite of the grace, there go we all. Ask not for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

  240. You and your family will be in my thoughts today, rabbit. If you need a quiet place to wait things out I can recommend the restorative atmosphere of the hospital chapel.

  241. PS – if you can’t find the “chapel” look for the “meditation room.”

    Tex I hope I handle things here as you have there. I have a mind to.

  242. Hey all you lovers and losers out there. This one goes out to the droopiest lapdog in Splitsville – Chrissy “Tingles” Matthews.

    And remember Chris – DON’T CALL HIM.

  243. Ever the contrarian, I’d like to suggest something opposed to the current sentiment of the thread:

    Sometimes being alive is enough.
    Sometimes a smile in between the sobs is enough.
    We miss the mark when we assign our own quality of life standards to other people, no matter how much we may love them and have trouble seeing them “change”.

    My FIL once said to me, “I’d rather die than go blind.” Mind you this is a man who had survived on-the-job electrocution. I found his comment odd and I gently challenged it and upon further thought he said “well I guess not. I suppose I could adjust to being blind.”

    Life is all about adaptation. When I first got trached 7 years ago one of my thoughts was “how will I ever be disciplined enough to take the suggested daily hygienic precautions to stay healthy?” I didn’t want to add any more routines to my life. But I adapted. Now every morning I swap out the inner cannula of my trach tube and clean the old one just like brushing my teeth. No biggie. The same goes for something as simple as going to bed. Most folks just go the f*ck to bed. I take a syringe, inflate a cuff in my windpipe and then attach myself to a ventilator. Lots of folks (including me) would say, “you’ve got to be kidding”. But I do it.

    Long story short … we all have trouble finding a new normal. But sometimes it’s worth it just to stay alive one more day.

  244. the droopiest lapdog in Splitsville

    LOL .. funny phrase. Poor Chris, of all the MSNBC hosts he seems to be taking the current era the hardest. Unlike the rest of you, I give him credit for voicing his disappointment out loud instead of finding every excuse in the book.

  245. “Unlike the rest of you, I give him credit for voicing his disappointment out loud instead of finding every excuse in the book.”

    What I want to know is what turned him so racist alluva sudden?

    (PS…agreed.)

  246. Dead rabbit…hope all goes well. Kids are truly special in many ways. I have always found that two of those ways are how you feel when something is wrong and second how they serve up inspiration as they face things.
    All the best.

  247. Tex…no easy journey to say the least. I watched someone go down the Alzheimer’s path it was rough. I can only say that if you keep your faith and head straight you’ll get through and end up doing a lot of good for your dad yourself and others.

  248. @Rutherford 328 I don’t find her post possesses the fullest grasp of the situation and not unlike Taibbi et al is high on moral indignation and low on intellectual scrutiny. Folks that continuously miss the three or four major truths of the issue are lost from the word go. About the only right tree some of these dogs are barking up is that there need to be greater efforts to find the individuals as opposed to entities.

  249. Wow! Agree with Sandi’s post. Bravo. Maybe the rest of the left-leaning sheeple will get on board. The bubble gum bubble always cracks me up. lol. I do have to look past that to take her seriously.

  250. Rutherford, i was an Air Force medic. Our daughter is a therapist. We both learned one cannot get emotionally involved.

    I don’t know much encouraging to write about any form of dementia.

    My father-in law suffered from mini strokes and Alzheimers. Disease. He was in a nursing home 130 miles from our home but close to his other children’s home. His room mate was another with mental deterioration. The room mate thought he was farming again and believed my father-in law was not pulling his weight. He told my father-in law it was his turn to milk the cows.

    Just before we entered the room, my father-in law yelled with a voice which carried through the entire wing “MILK YOUR OWN DAMNED COWS!!!. We had little to laugh at, but we still laugh about that exchange.

  251. In the land of coincidence, here is another.

    Two members of the FBI’s elite counterterrorism unit died Friday while practicing how to quickly drop from a helicopter to a ship using a rope, the FBI announced Monday in a statement.

    The statement gave few details regarding the deaths of Special Agents Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw, other than to say the helicopter encountered unspecified difficulties and the agents fell a “significant distance.”

    http://hamptonroads.com/2013/05/fbi-agents-died-fall-helicopter-va-coast

    Last month, the team was involved in the arrest of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings.

    Ask seal team six about it. Oh… nevermind.

  252. “What I want to know is what turned him so racist alluva sudden?”

    ** GUFFAW ** I guess that shiver up the leg has turned into a shot into the balls.

    You go, girl. You’re on a roll this week.

  253. Rutherford, I guess for Sandi that was pretty radical, but I found it ironic that she is demanding accountability when Barack Obama hasn’t been held accountable for anything and in fact was reelected for abysmal performance. I can gather no sympathy for Sandi’s pleas. Now that the election has been won, I find it more that disingenuous that all of the sudden everyone from Sandi to Chris Matthews is seeing any measure of moral turpitude. Sandi’s “little hands” are equally as bloody as Matthew’s “bigger hands.”

    OWS may have started with some good intent, but the wrong people were carrying it out. I believe most of those involved were just looking to score, raise a little hell under the guise of outrage, a large measure of group think anarchism targeted towards FOX News, and wouldn’t have a clue to the real perpetrators of the banking scandal.

    Sorry, but Rupert Murdoch didn’t profit from the housing bubble.

    Finally it wasn’t the little guy who was screwed. It was guys like you, me, and virtually all the rest of here, the middle to upper middle class, who bore the brunt of the cost of bailing not just the banks, but millions of people out who had no business getting a loan to begin with. And government’s nasty bureaucratic hands were all over that one, most visibly Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who should both be in prison.

  254. I believe in innocent until proven guilty, except when it comes to government or corporate representatives. I now believe guilty until proven innocent is a better judgment call for those individuals and entities.

    Of course they are going full into evil acts justified by legal edict.

    The world is upside down.

  255. Acute Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP). That is the blood disease my son has.

    Out of all the numerous reasons for low platelets, ITP was what we were praying he had. All the other ones are beyond horrible.

    He was at 7,000 platelets, now he is at 33,000. Still very, very low. But the fact he responded means his auto immune system has rebooted. He needs weekly blood work and one more visit to the blood cancer wing. 40% chance of it coming back again. But, since the treatment stuck, I don’t have to worry about chemo. There was slight concerns that his extreme peanut allergy might play some role in rejecting the treatment and we would have to get chemo therapy.

    A couple days before we brought him in, my boy had a soccer game. The last two games before that one, he played like Peter Pan. Literally picking daisies…well dandelions. I shit you not, he even asked me for a tissue in the middle of the game.

    Dead Rabbit don’t care if your 3 years old, asking for a fucking tissue in the middle of the game is unacceptable.

    So, for a week, I told him how he has to focus and “attack the ball”. Knock the other kids over if he has to.

    Well…..I went a little overboard. The minute the game started he was tackling the kids. He even threw one kid down by his shirt. He took nasty spills and fell hard.

    After I realized his platelet count was probably very low at the time, I realized how easy he could have been killed. A slight internal bruise on the head (he fell hard a few times, racking his head of the field) or kick while he was down…..could have been devastating. I also hit ground balls at him later on. I use a real hardball too.

    I kept thinking this as I drove him from the first ER to the one in Ann Arbor equipped to deal with what I thought was probably Leukemia or worse. In fact, I wasn’t aware of any low platelet cause that wasn’t brutal. My little man was sleeping in his car seat. I started tearing up while I drove to the point that I had to pull over and get my composure. I can’t remember the last time I balled. I think I did it once in the Navy when I was really drunk. I try to block that one out. Let me tell you, those fruity therapist types might be on to something. After I was done, I was focused, clear headed and even felt a little sedated.

    The fear we have now is that this is tied to an autoimmune issue inherited from me (I have Psoriatic arthritis and my Grand Mother died of Lupus when she was 27 years old). However, the docs are pretty confident that this was caused by a virus, the evidence being the platelet count was so low.

    This is bar none the best possible outcome I could have hoped for.

    Sorry if I bored the hell out of you guys and thanks everybody for the good wishes.

  256. @ poolman 337….
    Why do you even find it a coincidence or of any significance at all ???
    What is it you think you see?

  257. @ Tex :
    I find it more that disingenuous that all of the sudden everyone from…
    That’s the next wave for the “progressives”. Since they very well could be heading for the political wilderness unless they find a niche they have to get the daggers out for their own now.
    I think you will see a number of renewed “moral high ground” positions staked out anew by the Left as they look towards 2014 and 2016.
    They will up the ante on drones,foreign policy,climate change dilemmas,education,the inner city and of course financial institutions. A lot of it will be old stuff with a fresh coat of paint but it will be done anyway. Look for further deification of folks like Lizzie Warren.

  258. Obviously dead rabbit I’m glad to hear of your boy’s outcome. I hope good things continue to unfold. I swear you really are like Job sometimes. Keep strong and fwiw thanks for sharing,it was a nice change and food for thought from the likes of politics and my own personal real world issues. Nice reminder as it were.

  259. You didn’t bore us rabbit. It shows again what a good man and father you are. I agree with Alfie.

    Rutherford, you have a lurker fan from the other site. He tried to out me after dredging up things I had written on that blog and here. Then, the fun began.

  260. re 343/337, just coincidences, that’s all. :roll: Common as sunshine nowadays. What did you think I meant, dead men tell no tales?

    Don’t suppose you’ve a comment re Richard Serino, re 266?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Rabbit, good to hear your son is on the mend. Here’s some interesting research regarding his condition.
    There are all positive things being discovered about how plant elements work in conjunction with the organics in our systems. We have receptors for these. Most of the research is going on in other countries, since we have such a powerful pharma lobby. If you can’t patent it, they aren’t interested. It isn’t about what works the best, unfortunately. Our society reacts like the five monkeys experiment. We actually need these things to function. Google Rick Simpson or Phoenix tears for practical methods.

  261. pools I find you playing the cryptic. YES I DO THINK YOU ARE SAYING THE TWO FBI GUYS WERE WHACKED BY THE PTB’s if you don’t believe it you would not have offered it. That is your legacy here. If you meant anything else you should say so and recast your image here.
    Fast roping is dangerous. In other government circles the US Forestry service only recently brought the practice back after….wait for it…… a training accident killed one of their folks.

    Don’t suppose you’ve a comment re Richard Serino, re 266?
    Yeah I have a comment… I mentioned the reality that Boston has used the Marathon and 4th of July for training exercises before.I even linked to the training synopsis from 07 & 08 before. It is a non story or should at least be the sabre into the heart of the troofer lunacy. As for Rich Serino…I’ve actually worked with him in real life. Trust me ( I know you don’t and can’t but for the rest of the room) Serino is no diabolical mastermind just simply an example of one of the thousands of people who get a lot of training and have an honest passion for their field of endeavor. I’ve been there done that got the tee shirt.

  262. Rabbit, I’ll make my amateur medical prediction based on the professional opinions of the best instructor I ever had. Took her for two courses and she was hard as hell in both Biochemistry and Immunology, but a fabulous teacher – should have been teaching at a medical school. Dr. Sue was a delightful woman and one smart cookie.

    All of these diseases we are only starting to figure out and some we have no idea? Juvenile diabetes and the like?

    All autoimmune diseases.

    From what I learned in a 4000 level 4 hour biology class of Immunology, and the incredible complexity of our immune system having to recognize foreign from self, it is amazing all of us aren’t suffering from autoimmune disease (and we may very well be).

    When you think about the billions of times our lymph organs, i.e. spleen and the like are checking for antigens (foreign substance including diseases) and the cell surface recognition required to invoke an immune response while not destroying the body in the process, the math has got to work against us sooner or later.

    Knowing what I do about oncology (enough to be dangerous, probably), it’s also amazing we all aren’t dying from cancer as well.

  263. Alfie,

    I think you will see a number of renewed “moral high ground” positions staked out anew by the Left as they look towards 2014 and 2016. They will up the ante on drones,foreign policy,climate change dilemmas,education,the inner city and of course financial institutions.

    Good call and I agree 100%. I’m already starting to read it, starting here. Muffy was spot on about winning elections. That’s the goal. That’s the end all. That is all that matters. And half the country that deluded, that dumb.

    Barack Obama will become more of a secondary issue as he proceeds through his second term as he has served his purpose. The new dogma will be Barack Obama failed in part because he was too moderate. No climate change policy, no single payer, still GITMO, didn’t stimulate the economy enough, too war like, more green energy, we desperately need more government to protect the middle class. More appeasement of Islam will be condoned and more criticism will be forthcoming of Christianity as well. Antisemitism will rise based on the too big to fail banks.

    And I wholeheartedly agree that Elizabeth Warren, not Hillary Clinton, will become the flag bearer for the woman America needs as President. Liz will become the new ‘niche’ character in politics.

    Unfortunately, I’m afraid we’ve crossed the Rubicon as a country. We had our chance turn from the iceberg and failed. It will not surprise me in the least that the uber hypocritical and insufferable Warren could be our next President. At some time, they will trot Liz out as savior.

    We are heading for a repeat of history as the United States ever quickens toward CCCP, circa 1989. We’re out of money and everyone serious knows it. Yes, I’m dead serious. America will become a banana republic.

    By then it will be too late, though. No face saving now. Did you notice one Ben Bernacke comment rocked the world overseas last night? Even the hint of slowing down the money supply dropped the foreign markets 7% overnight. Ben backtracked a bit and calm ensued. But…

    …it is so obvious that the shell game is being played and that is what is driving this market.

    When it falls, it will fall harder than it has ever fell before and that will be the beginning of the end…

  264. James,

    Who is this Al B. clown popping up at Fat Grannies? Is he the resident limp dick, male feminist that replaced Poolman when The Poolman’s eyes begin to open about Bongo?

    Wannabee optometrist, I suppose. He reads like Aunt Liki Liki, copying and pasting from websites to appear intelligent. And of course the mindless hags not recognizing the baloney. and being that Big Al’s politics blue, give him the token support necessary to keep one pet with squirrel sized balls around.

    The reason I ask is that your Pal Al reads the R.L. board in detail. As much as the inbred monkeys of Fat Grannies don’t want to admit it, they peruse this board often before slithering back to their lair.

    They so badly want to out the Pfesser and me, they can taste it in their filthy mouths. :lol:

    I don’t know what they think they are going to out if they were to find out.

  265. Serino is no diabolical mastermind

    Obviously. The point was he designed the drill several years ago, just as it went down, and by sheer coincidence (here we go again) was there when the explosion happened. What are the odds?

  266. DR noted: “This is bar none the best possible outcome I could have hoped for.

    Sorry if I bored the hell out of you guys and thanks everybody for the good wishes.”

    Don’t you fucking dare to apologize for one word. We all have families, and we know the horror of a sick child. Nobody breathed until we got the good news.

    *********

    Tex – re: the NAGS at Fat Grannies outing you and me. I PRAY they figure out who I am; I give them little hints from time to time, but they are too stupid to follow the crumbs. It’s a little game; but as Garfield said, practical jokes are wasted on the stupid.

    As soon as something like that happens, I’ll be on their saggy asses like a duck on a June Bug. What they don’t realize is that, having been outed, if we can convince their ISP that they put us in danger and we are pursuing a suit, we can find out who THEY are. Likely several of them.

    What’s funny is that about two years ago one of them, in her political zealotry, posted a link to a political site which had a little form for you to fill out. She was too stupid to realize that the link she sent was the link to HER form, already filled out with her name and address AND phone #. Although the NAGs were already giving me a hard time, I shot an express email to her, telling her to take down the damned link!

    Of course, I dutifully deleted the information from my personal address book………heh, heh……..Jesus, it’s like shooting fish in the proverbial barrel. So easy it takes the fun out of it.

    *******

    re: Al B Damned. gato fell over her ample bottom telling him how smart he was about the eye stuff. Took about three seconds to find his source – guess where? Yep, Wikipedia. He thought he was smart by using synonyms for some of the words. Jesus, he’s as stupid as they are…LOL

  267. Pfesser, :lol: Al Bore.

    ——-

    Here Al, you like reading Rutherford’s blog? Well, read this jackass and report back to your masters. Unless you wrote the Wiki page, you’ve just been busted for plagiarism and fraud. I hope you at least had the courtesy to pay royalties.

    Another POS from the Nag, Hags and Bags blog.

    The dumb twit thought he was taking James to task. :twisted:

    ———

    Pfesser, about a year ago, I posted another fictitious name to bypass Granny’s lame security – a name of a man I worked with years ago who wouldn’t remember me from Adam. The stupid bitches went out to Google and tracked down his personals, including his wife and kid’s names, then posted it to the blog numerous times. :roll:

    And the scary part? There apparently is more of them than there are of us. No need to wonder why the country is in trouble.

  268. Pfesser,

    Did I ever tell you about after ‘outing’ Rutherford, I went out looking for a few of these dimwits at Grannies and within minutes found two of them? One of them even had her own feckless blog, replete with pathetic stories.

    You talk about troubled, sad sacks…

    One was so bipolar, she couldn’t leave the house and function. The other was in a such a nastily contested divorce, that she’s sworn off the world…restraining orders, hiding the kids, the whole shebang.

    I was tempted to come back and here and start posting all the personals in defense of Rutherford. But I didn’t think he’d approve, so I held my ammo.

  269. “The stupid bitches went out to Google and tracked down his personals, including his wife and kid’s names, then posted it to the blog numerous times.”

    Fucking IRS tactics, right there. These folks need to get a life.

  270. Tex, I never heard of Al B before yesterday.

    Now gato says she is going to leave for other parts of the porch, thanks to us. History could repeat with a little effort, and we could turn that site into Rutherford’s virtual branch office as the grannies hide behind kitchen walls and write bravely.

    You’re right Huck. IRS tactics..

  271. James,

    Wouldn’t that be the ultimate payback for attempting to out Rutherford? I guess I owe Rutherford at least that. He has the sense to say to hell with them. But the rest of us Rutherford patrons turn their cesspool into Rutherford’s Zoo.

    What would be especially fun is to convince Rutherford to break his promise and pen a short post on the blog as comment and we all ignore the Hags, Nags, and Bags and just start commenting on Rutherford’s comment. :razz:

    The cast and crew is so much stronger here, it wouldn’t take about half of us to turn that feckless blog inside out.

    You’re like a principled assassin, James. :grin: Kind of like that villain out of ‘No Country For Old Men.’

  272. “Knowing what I do about oncology (enough to be dangerous, probably), it’s also amazing we all aren’t dying from cancer as well.”

    Sometimes it feels like we are.

  273. It’s because since the industrial age we have created a toxic environment for all of nature’s organisms. But be of good cheer. Cannabis cures cancer as more and more studies confirm. Now, if we can only break through the big pharma barricade…

  274. With fans like that who needs enemas?

    I guess I don’t need to insert the Rutherturd joke here someplace? :wink:

    To answer your question, I do. Just reading the mindless wanderings of Aunt Liki Liki is enough to constipate me for weeks.

  275. “As I hope your boy doing well, Thor.

    Unfortunately, my father was recently diagnosed with Alzheimer’s which didn’t come as a total shock, but was still very tough on my mom” – Tex

    I am so sorry to hear this. My wife’s Grandmother was diagnosed about a year ago. For reasons too complicated to explain, we are more involved in her care than her own children. Amazing how interwoven a person’s memory and personality are, almost to the point of creating one’s own reality. Seeing someone you love with Alz. is like watching them melt right in front of your face. My prayers are with you and your family.

    Thank you for asking about my boy. Tough time of year coming up for him. He knows summer vacation is rapidly approaching. He loves summer like all kids, but any large transition like that makes him very anxious. Once July is here, he will be in 7th Heaven.

    R, it’s hard to explain the unexplainable. If you are truly curious about this topic of “why?”, I would point you toward C. S. Lewis’ works on the subject.

    “This is bar none the best possible outcome I could have hoped for.

    Sorry if I bored the hell out of you guys and thanks everybody for the good wishes.” – DR

    Awesome! Never boring and so much more important than most of the stuff we engage in here. So good to hear.

    Out for the weekend. Spend some time with your families, guys and gals. Enjoy Memorial Day. Hope you all get a moment or two for reflection as well.

  276. Ah, I don’t usually take a survey on a blog, but I need some opinions of a rather important investment. Here it is, pay close attention as it may be the second most important question you will ever answer:

    We have a solarium floor in the kitchen. It’s proven tough and durable but I hate it. I’m getting ready to redo the kitchen, some of it myself.

    Do y’all prefer tile, hardwood, engineered, or other?

    I would prefer hardwood, but I am scared to death of water…and kitchens have a lot of water – some which can puddle like by the dishwasher. Tile has grout and is hard on the feet, engineered wood has tendencies to separate.

    All of them seem to have major drawbacks.

    Any of you or your wives found anything you really like?

  277. My preference is rolled flooring, mainly because of the durability. But I used to install rolled flooring, so I am probably a bit biased (even though I also installed tile and wood floors, so maybe I’m not).

    There are some very good (and expensive) rolled flooring products. It doesn’t have to be the crappy (and cheap) linoleum you might picture. But the better the quality, the trickier to install properly, so if you think about going that route, you’ll want to consider and account for professional installation costs.

  278. “We have a solarium floor in the kitchen. It’s proven tough and durable but I hate it”

    I guess in my initial read I overlooked this part, which suggests you are already well aware of everything I just said…lol.

  279. I prefer tile in a kitchen. I like wood flooring but think it would be tough to keep nice in a kitchen long term. My wife likes the stained concrete. Probably the best choice IF you have a good solid underlying concrete floor. If you have a crawl space under your house you already have wood floors. If a concrete slab, it may be challenging to get all the old adhesives off, but they sure have some gorgeous looks:

    http://www.concretenetwork.com/photo-gallery/concrete-floors_1/

  280. Wow, those are some nice looking floors, PM. Seems they are doing some amazing things with concrete, these days. How do they get such a smooth, shiny finish?

  281. Looks like Obama’s speech yesterday put MSNBC and the fawning media back on track.

    Which, I am sure, was exactly what it was meant to do.

    Nevermind that Obama has killed more Americans than foreigners waterboarded by Bush. Nevermind that 2 of them were only suspected of engaging in plots against the US. And nevermind that 1 of them was killed essentially because of the sins of his father.

    What’s really important is that Obama is conflicted about it all and thinks deeply about the process….even if it isn’t the process due to them under the constitution Obama swore to uphold.

    Deep (bull) shit….

    And how about Eric Holder flat out lying under oath to congress about his knowledge and involvement in the Fox News reporter targeting…

    Or the chick who got to take the 5th after giving a statement who now gets a paid vacation because she refuses to resign…

    Or the talking-point scrubbing bitch who is now getting promoted to Assistant Sec of State (pending a sure senate fight)…

    Pass the popcorn!

  282. “What would be especially fun is to convince Rutherford to break his promise and pen a short post on the blog as comment and we all ignore the Hags, Nags, and Bags and just start commenting on Rutherford’s comment.”

    Genius. Absolute, diabolical genius. I’m in. It’s time the adults got to talk a little.

  283. 362 Tex, that is the best complement I have had all day. I will remember it. You have a good idea, and I think we could do it.

    We have tile My wife said she likes the look of wood, but tile is easier to wash etc.

    Huck, have you wondered who is running the show? Obama seems clueless to everything. He had no idea these problems were brewing.,

  284. “we are more involved in her care than her own children. Amazing how interwoven a person’s memory and personality are, almost to the point of creating one’s own reality. Seeing someone you love with Alz. is like watching them melt right in front of your face.”

    When I deal with an Alzheimer’s patient, I always think of “2001 – A Space Odyssey” – where they turned off HAL. As they turned off each module, his personality changed just a little, until he was completely infantile and then just died. It’s just like that.

    When a family member died after a long course of Alz, I remarked to someone that, “What happened here tonight was just a technicality; she’s been dying for two years and that person was gone long ago.”

  285. The extremely liberal website “Huffington Post” turned on Obama’s attorney general Eric Holder last night when it published news that Holder had personally signed a memo leading to a target on Fox News and a violation of the Fist, Fourth, and other amendments.

    Yes, that means that the Obama administration is so corrupt and wrong when it comes to its attacks on the freedom of the press that liberal news organizations are uniting with Fox News to call for heads to roll. It’s actually that bad.

    http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/huffington-fox-alliance/

  286. my boy keeps getting bloody noses. i need some fucking platelets in that motherfucker. plus…….we can’t get him to chill out. i’ve roughhoused with him since he was 6 months old. he’s addicted.

    i can’t fucking sleep. i haven’t slept more then an hour at a time since tuesday. throw in my alzheimers father in law that im in charge of all weeked becuase my wife’s grandma died last night……..my wife has to catch up all her work from when we were in the hospital and she’s not even home…she’s with her family. my one year old shits his pants every other hour. throws his food. my parents never end up helping me when i need them. i have a nervous shake. woe is me!

  287. Rabbit, :lol:

    When it rains, it pours? I’ll trade you the one year old diapers for wiping the rear of a 76 year old. Yuck. I’m scarred for life between that and emptying my mother’s bed pan.

    I’ll say the serenity prayer for you today. Oh, and thank you for your service. My flag waves in your honor today.

  288. These are the times that try men’s souls, eh rabbit? Hang in there, dude. Sounds like you’re building character. :grin:

  289. Yes, rabbit, thank you for your service.

    I keep thinking of Job for some reason. Prayers from us too.

  290. DR and Tex, sorry to hear what you are all going through. My grandmother had dimentia and that was incredibly difficult to deal with. I cannot imagine what Alzheimer’s is like.

  291. To the Vets (James, Rabbit, Alfie, Poolman?), I join in thanking you for your service too.

    Hard to believe it’ been a year since that twirp, ‘Lil Chrissy Hayes, chose this time to make his self-righteous, bitch-slap to all vets. . . in a rhetorically proximate way of course. :roll:

  292. Only if Army brats are vets, Tigre. I never put on a uniform aside from baseball and cub scout. I have a lot of friends that have served and plenty whose kids are there.

  293. Thank you El Tigre. I’m a storm spotter and volunteer observer for the National Weather Service. I like storms, but this one came at 3AM, and we are under a flash flood watch for tonight. I feel old today.

    I remember visiting my father -in law who had Alzheimers Disease. It had been a bad day. My wife and son walked up ahead and I was with our daughter. My wife is strong enough to hold it together, but she began to cry. Our son put his arm around her.That was a small piece of light in the darkness.

  294. Honestly dudes, while I appreciate it, Memorial Day aint for the Rabbit.

    I’m already uncomfortable enough with the praise I get on Veterans Day. My 90’s era peace time service in which I banged beautiful Scandinavian women and earned the GI Bill makes me feel a bit odd when I receive “thank yous”.

    Navy saved my life. Yet, I get thanked for it. Gorilla is a sailor worthy of praise. Not me.

    But Memorial Day, the way I see it, is strictly reserved for serviceman who gave their life and for guys living with terrible injuries. I know some fallen warriors. The Dead Rabbit isn’t in the same universe as those guys.

  295. Thanks to those who served.

    Last year my little town lost a young man in Afghanistan. He had gone to school with my boys. We named the high school gym after him.

  296. I feel ” a bit odd” as rabbit does,

    The GI Bill helped me too. However,I still remember “You don’t belong here you fasicist. We’ll get rid of you.” how people threw tomatoes at my brother’s unit when they returned from Vietnam and how thugs beat up returning soldiers still in their uniforms.

    I remember commentators who said the best of our generation had fled to Canada, and that this was our first generation of soldiers too stupid to produce their own war literature. I remember being told my kind wasn’t acceptable for the job I had trained for.

    Many such anti-military people are still alive, and it is not politically correct for them to share what they really feel.

    So, I do appreciate the thanks, and I also hope it galls some of the older generation. Thank you for what you did, everyone.,

  297. Okay, so I won’t thank the Vets. I’ll thank the Commie Rutherford this Memorial Day instead. Lord only knows that Rutherford has a few bullet holes from the last five years to show for his efforts of consistently maintaining and penning this blog for the rest of us.

    And for providing the forum that he seldom uses anymore that allows me to meet some nice, witty folks who share a camaraderie of sorts, thank you, Rutherford. Your work and sacrifice, no matter how woefully confused, irreverent, blatantly biased, hopelessly lost you may be, does not go unnoticed. You are the hardest working, toughest hide for a blogger I have ever “met.” And it could be worse. You could be Helen Philpot and ridiculed daily. :wink:

    Somewhere in the veneer of godless, duplicitous, Leftist pandering, is a warrior just waiting to escapes the shackles of Obamaism and fight the good fight.

    Rutherford, I do hope that Memorial Day Weekend finds you and yours healthy, a little more wealthy, and a whole lot more wise. And I mean that. May the wind be at your back.

    P.S. – I never really thought Chen the more talented blogger either. Not by a long shot. It’s just so tempting to pull your chains for effect during an election cycle.

  298. Yes, thank you Rutherford.

    Big Al on other site rejected Pfessor’s olive branch and called us “swamp dwellers.”

    On the other hand, I controlled his actions as the italian lady learned she could herd Swedes. i knew if I waited long enough, my blue – eyed schtick would make someone react. He did by plagorizing Wikipedia.

    You might thank Al for his service since he is a veteran. He would appreciate it from you.

    Deep thinkers are easy.

  299. I have to agree with dead rabbits close in 394. Memorial Day is for those that aren’t around to hear the “thank you’s”.

    Memorial Day is for remembering those that died in all the corners of the world. The corners all too many couldn’t find on a map. No matter your political stripe regards the why’s and how’s of the conflicts in our history those that died deserve a moment out of the day to be remembered.

  300. When I think of Memorial Day, I like to thank of “why remember amongst the dead when there are those living that need to be remembered for their sacrifice as well?” That would include a few WWII, many Korean, many more Nam, and the wounded of the Gulf and Afghan Wars. They need our remembrances most.

    That is not met in malice or insult, but I believe most of those men who perished and went on are with God. And if I’m right, they have absolutely no desire to return, so I use Memorial Day to honor the living who made sacrifice while they are still living as a thank you, plus the loved ones of those who sacrificed their own who deserve our thanks equally as much and maybe more.

    There is many a mother that should be honored on Memorial Day.

    And Commie Rutherford. :smile:

  301. I am with Tex. No reason not to honor service, active or not, and servicemen, dead or alive. The twisted PC logic of Commie Rutherford’s friends that forsake all things military, regardless of the sacrifice and loss of others from which they benefit, needs a counter anyway.

    But there again, given the reaction from those around here that did serve, fuck all of you freeloaders! :lol:

  302. Sorry but I don’t get Tex’s point at all. Memorial Day is for war dead. Veteran’s Day is for living war veterans.

    What am I missing?

  303. “Hayes, chose this time to make his self-righteous, bitch-slap to all vets. . . in a rhetorically proximate way of course. :roll:

    I must be in a good mood today. That made me laugh.

  304. Sorry but I don’t get Tex’s point at all. Memorial Day is for war dead. Veteran’s Day is for living war veterans.

    Don’t get me wrong, Rutherford. I’m not disagreeing the idea of Memorial Day is to ‘memorialize’ and Veteran’s Day is indeed to honor the living. But Veteran’s Day never gets the justice it deserves.

    The cemeteries which we will visit tonight after early dinner are beautiful and moving. I take pictures and everything.

    I’m just saying that I take the opportunity to thank the living and one Commie on Memorial Day.

    ———

    I just learned to day how Decoration’s Day, now Memorial Day, was started.

    Two mothers from Columbus, MS, were decorating their son’s graves. One mother noticed two graves of Union soldiers lay bare and decorated the two graves with some of her flowers. The other mother, quite aghast, said, “Those are Union graves.”

    “I know, but somewhere today is a mother without a son, a wife without a husband, maybe children without a father.”

    The local paper took note, which larger papers from the South took note, and finally the New York Herald published an article which captured the nation.

    Hence, Decoration’s Day later to become Memorial Day was born.

  305. Obama tells Morehouse College grads their future is great. Unless, of course, they want jobs. Then, they are totally screwed. ~ Jay Leno
    :lol:

  306. I have a photo of me and Capt. Dale Dye. I spent the better part of the day with him once. Never mind why – it’s classified.

    True though.

    Yeah my dad (a combat vet) sometimes corrects the well-wisher but we can’t remember and thank these guys enough.

    We salure all y’all.

    Wanna have your heart tugged? Watch this. Sorry about the longish ad at the start – it’s well worth the wait though, promise. Well worth the wait.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50147667n

  307. I am. But I love Southerners. Especially all that Ma’am-in’ and Miss-in’.

    I really do.

  308. “What’s wrong with a pat on the back?”-Tigre

    As long as I can return one. Notice I don’t bash lawyers anymore?

  309. Noah: ” I cannot imagine what Alzheimer’s is like.”

    Hell, it ain’t so bad. You can hide your own Easter eggs and meet new people every day.

    Who it really sucks for is the people who have to take care of you and watch you die a little every day.

  310. Great Aunt Nookie Nookie is calling on all the powers of Fat Grannies to tip the scales on Pfesser and me. We’re swinging votes toward the progressive side for our sexist and vile commentary. :lol:

    Honestly, I almost – almost feel guilty.

    And this after Great Aunt Nookie declared she would destroy us with the power of her mind with a little help from her sisters. :twisted:

  311. Hell, it ain’t so bad. You can hide your own Easter eggs and meet new people every day.

    If we cut through the irreverence a bit, I was kinda getting at that earlier in the thread.

    At the outset when folks realize they are losing their mind, it must be very frightening for them but if they actually reach the state of oblivion that PF jokes about then they are far more at peace than their care takers. I know I am oversimplifying but I think it might be easier for us not to project our own “value of life” standards on our loved ones as they go through this. Our pain should be proportional to theirs and if their anguish is actually decreasing, then we should accept them as they change and try not to let our anguish increase.

    To be honest, the fact that Grandpa doesn’t recognize us anymore is our problem, not his. We need to make the mental adjustment to the mental adjustment that nature has forced on Grandpa.

  312. I just spent 30 minutes browsing the comment section of the infamous Fat Grannies. What a bore they are over there. 1 big circle jerk.

    The only bright spot was the laugh I got when reading about how we all abuse poor Rutherford, here.

    I’d be tempted to comment there but I value my anonymity and they have proven to not respect such a concept when someone has the nerve to post an opposing viewpoint…which I would most certainly do.

  313. R @ 418. Good analysis. Last night I spent about an hour on the phone with my sister’s daughter. Sis is now eighty and has had a couple of small strokes that have not impaired her physically, but make her emotionally labile. She is constantly dredging up something to cry about. (VERY unlike her – she’s always been Gibraltar.) Her daughter is greatly distressed, thinking Mom is responding to real anguish about real situations and if she could just do something…I had the hardest time making her understand that this is not the old Mom.

    Having come from WV is very helpful. WV is filled with old folks since the ‘fifties. The Welfare State, like East Germany’s or Cuba’s, provides few real jobs and those with something on the ball move out as soon as they come of age, leaving old folks behind, and a very old population in general. My life’s experience is in dealing with aging relatives and their friends.

    Best results come from attending to the old folks’ wants and needs, and separating out your own feelings about the very natural process of aging. Not easy to do, as you wipe Mom’s bottom.

    The most important thing, in my experience, is to make sure YOU keep a reserve of energy, so that when they need you, you’re not physically and psychologically exhausted. Split tasks with your sibs; hire “sitters” occasionally to give you a little break; cherish your own spouse, remembering that all relationships end in divorce or death.

  314. 418, As i sorted through my mothers things after she died, I found a note she had written to herself. “I’m getting more forgetful. I must try harder to remember with more notes. I’m,,,” As nearly as I could tell, she had crossed out “afraid.”

    I’m, tired after another severe thunderstorm early this morning. The American Legion likes my speech and since I told them I might not be there for the program, I could read it if I wanted to. My wife thinks I should, but I am tired. Thinking of the grannies is as good as several cups of coffee.

  315. Good God, 418 misses the mark. Those with Alzheimer’s aren’t oblivious to their own decline. It’s terrifying to them; not blissful.

  316. I want to add something more to the Memorial Day vs Veterans Day angle found here in this thread.
    Although I understand the feelings and thoughts of folks like El Tigre and Muffy I think it is still vitally important that we distinguish the two. My family was divided between two parades today and at one of them all the speakers were giving shout outs to living vets and vets who had served long ago and lived lengthy civilian lives but had recently died of natural causes in their 80’s and 90’s. My fucking head exploded! I was put back together by the West Pointer who spoke about his classmate who died in 2011. He stressed the point about those dying in harms way.
    The other lesson of sorts I took away this weekend is this. That although remembering those that died is the cornerstone of the day there is something else to embrace. Dedicating ourselves to the ideals that We the People believed in enough to send men and women to their deaths. This is the area where divisions happen along political lines but I think we could and should use the day to refocus ourselves.

    Take up our quarrel with the foe!
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high!
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.

    I’ll agree that thanks and remembering is worthy every day but given the two days we all are specifically tasked with doing our part as citizens should not be blurred.

  317. “Good God, 418 misses the mark. Those with Alzheimer’s aren’t oblivious to their own decline. It’s terrifying to them; not blissful.”-Tigre

    Yeah I agree. My father in law is a terrified mess. Trapped in a hell or the car because he can’t get his seat belt off. One in the same.

    He’s not oblivious to the fact he’s going oblivious. Sure…I suppose one day he will be. But, by that point, he won’t be living much longer. I’ve never seen mental anguish quite like this before.

  318. Abstracting the realityof Alzheimers/dementia is dicey. Admittedly I’m put off by making light of it.

  319. You’re right, Alfie. For myself, I don’t think I’ll regard another Memorial Day quite so loosely defined again.

    I wish I paid more attention to my pop.

  320. muffy – Didn’t mean to be unsympathetic; it’s like Lincoln said, during the dark days of the War of Yankee Aggression: if I don’t laugh, I’ll cry. My point is that decline and death are inevitable, and the sooner the caretakers accept that and even embrace it, the better caretakers they will be.

    The early days are terrifying to Alz. patients; with proper meds and a loving family around they do pretty well and aren’t not agitated so much. That is why you never want to put them in a nursing home, unless you just cannot handle them. Remember, you are looking at yourself in a few years – and a very damned few at that. You reassure them, repeat to them things you said five mins ago, without the implied rebuke, “Mom, I just TOLD you that!” Just repeat the bloody thing and go on.

    Later they become withdrawn and more manageable. Hopefully, by that time I will have executed my patented Ground Loop. My only hesitation is to destroy such a beautiful old airplane. Me? I’m gone either way.

  321. Thanks Doc.

    A few days ago I said something (very vague) about hoping I handle things here as Tex has done in OK. What I was referring to was putting my life on hold for a parent.

    I’m taking my mom to a neurologist soon. Or at least I’m going to try. Her mom had Alzheimers really bad and young too. 60 at the onset. My mom’s brother recently died after being similarly afflicted in his 60s. Well not so recently I guess it’s been 3 years now that he’s been gone. My mom wears her sadness and her fears too bravely. She always has, ever since her dad – whom she adored – died when my mom was only 24. She retired a few years ago and then broke – shattered – her leg so she’s been bored to tears. She’s changed a lot.

  322. Ms. Muff…you may be younger than I had originally pictured you. Your life’s experiences indicated to me we may be the same age. But after I thought about it, you may be 20 years my junior.

    Now, I know it is highly impolite to ask a lady her age, so I won’t. If this were Fat Grannies, I would ask away anyway because those aren’t ladies – they’re events.

    But being I respect your keen mind, your opinions and your humor, and I wouldn’t dreaming of purposely offending you since you’re my blog sweetie, could you still give a rough approximation to how old you might be? :smile:

    Mr. Tigre and Mr. Rabbit are mere babes in the woods compared to a fossil like me and look it – two young hunks with pretty wives and pretty kids. Noah’s got an adorable baby, so I picture pretty young. Huck, I think about 10-15 years my junior and I think Gorilla around his age. Mere infants. Pfesser is my wife’s age, James a little older still, Poolman a few years older than me.
    .

    By the way and I just ask my mom this morning while Mrs. Tex Taylor and I over there delivering mulch after decorating my mother-in-law’s grave. My dad has no idea he has Alzheimer’s and neither his wife or his children have mentioned it. Since he keeps talking about wanting to get better and perhaps lucid maybe half the time, we thought it best to keep things positive.

    But I have no idea how old you are.

  323. Well as I said, I was probably oversimplifying things and the comments from Tigre, Rabbit and Muffy illustrate that.

    But I don’t want my basic point lost. When we care for ill loved ones we are dealing with their real pain compounded by what we are projecting on them based on our sense of “normal”. I think it is difficult to separate the two.

  324. I’ll make my wager:

    Early 20’s: Sensico
    Late 20’s: Lurker and Newt
    Mid to late 30’s: Rabbit Gorilla Huck
    40 something: Tigre BiC Alfie Noah Muffy
    Early 50’s: Me and Tex and Poolman
    Late 50’s: Pfesser
    60+: James

    To be clear I’m not outing anyone based on inside info. These are just my educated guesses.

  325. Don’t want to say, not because of vanity, but because there are unfriendly eyes looking for any – any – info to use in an aggressive way.

    None of which belong to regulars on this blog.

    “Yet across the gulf of space…intellects… cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us.” The War of the Worlds – Wells

  326. “”Yet across the gulf of space…intellects… cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us.” The War of the Worlds – Wells”

    Now Fat Grannies are Martians. :lol:

  327. I guess we should be more careful, Pfesser. But damn, how many bread crumbs do you need to leave these imbeciles before they figure out your real name? I guarantee you at least five people on here could figure out my wife’s name, much less my name, in ten minutes.

    I guess it would help if they figured out you were a real doc like you keep telling them. :lol:

    Rutherford, I think that’s a pretty educated guess, but I would move Huck up one category and Noah down one category. I would guess the same for BIC because of his boys and would add Thor to that category too.

    I think I covered about everybody.

  328. Which would you rather know – how old I am or what I look like? Pick one.

    Tricky ain’t I?

  329. Yeah the whole outing thing at Fat Grannies is beneath low. I swear to you guys I’m 99% sure I know who the real blogger is – even what gave her the idea for the granny thing. She saw a homemade sign on an elderly lady’s T-shirt at an Obama rally. She’s also a fan of a semi-famed author who writes about fictionalizing the truth. Think Wattle Jean.

    I retrospect though I am glad I never outed her. I could be wrong (but I really don’t think so.)

  330. Now I can’t think of the real name of Wattle Jean’s. Tex, you do have a talent for dubbing.

  331. I’m 45.

    I have given so much info about myself here, anyway, that adding that piece to the puzzle wouldn’t make much difference to anyone making an attempt to piece them all together.

    Frankly, I wouldn’t have the slightest issue with letting the regulars here know who I am (as if I am anyone). It’s the non-regulars who might use such information for sinister reasons that concern me.

  332. Muffy, I already know you’re drop dead gorgeous.

    Then you spurned my generous offer of joining my harem which also disappointed my wife – mainly because for 15 years, my wife has been trying to find somebody to take me off her hands.

    I used to think how secure and not jealous my wife could be when she kept offering me as partner to all the divorced women as dance partner at weddings and the like. That was before I recognized she was wanting to talk to the girls and looking for a place to run me off for a couple of hours.

    Last night we actually went to bed at a decent hour. Here’s how our romantic approach goes after 26 years.

    “Hey, we could make love.”

    “Do you think dad would like powdered sugar on his brownies.”
    :lol: Yes, Mrs. Taylor is a hoot.

    The age, Muffy. Just approximate. I promise not to tell. :wink:

  333. Tex, I just reread my comment and I think it sounds like my mom is in her 60s – she’s mid-70s. I meant my Grandma got Alzheimers and she got it young to boot. And my uncle got it young similar to my Grandma’s age at the onset.

    Anyway you were right the first time. And I don’t mind you asking but I really need to not out myself. I have said why before but I obscured it in nuanced commentary.

  334. Huck, I was thinking last night there may be 3-4 people on here that already don’t know me by my real name. Rutherford knew years ago. BIC, Rabbit and Tigre I’ve exchanged emails with and they would know me. Rabbit and Tigre I volunteered to send pictures of my entire family – only Mickey (the dog) is safe.

    Noah knows me from Facebook. I wouldn’t care a bit if Muffy, James, Pfesser, or you knew who I was. And I guess I don’t concern myself because I consider that part of the professional, sane crowd no matter the political persuasion.

    After that, I probably would play a little closer to vest – and then, only for motive and intent of those who would want to do damage, though I’m not sure what they could really damage. It’s not like I’m running from the law or something. :lol:

    I’m not really sure why it pissed me off so badly when they tried to out Rutherford. But it did. And that was pretty much when I went from occasional nuisance to outright asshole with this Fat Grannies crowd.

    Enough so, I went and discovered who a few of them were – the ones with their own blogs were the easiest to track down. But they were so personally pathetic upon discovery, I guess that was punishment enough.

  335. Tex – I concur that Wattle Jean is beyond hilarious. Auntie Liki-Liki is pretty great, too.

    Every time you say Wattle Jean, I think turkey hunting, and of a big tom turkey sticking his neck out to call and his turkey wattle shaking from side to side. Can’t get that image out of my mind.

    Followed of course by BLAM! and then he thrashes around in the leaves. LOL

  336. Pfesser,

    Did you ever see Juanita Jean? I posted a video of her around her someplace last year. She’s some wannabee political activist in Texas with a YouTube video of her pumpkin face running that gaping mouth, supporting Dixie Dan the Dimocrat or some twerp like that. Her speech consisted of Bush Derangement Syndrome and horrible attempts at humor.

    I had told Muffy that Juanita’s weak stab reminded me a whole lot of Helen Philpot’s weak stab at portraying the new Molly Ivins. And I think I am at least starting to pick up on the Muffy’s hints.

    Wattle is about as round as she is tall and has this huge double chin lugging around an oxygen bottle for good measure. Aunt Liki Liki looks like Christie Brinkley next to Wattle Jean.

    Immediately, Wattle came to mind when I saw the video and I started posting turkey call videos to be a vicious bastard, as I know those lowlifes peruse this board.

    I think you and I have left a mark at Grannies. And Wattle went so well substituting for Juanita, the name stuck.

  337. I had two reactions to being outed by Fat Grannies. The first was just the shock of seeing my real name on that blog and the utter lack of decorum that went with it. Forget a minute about anonymity — it is more fundamental than that. If a dude says “my name is Edward” and you insist on calling him Ed, you’re lacking in basic social graces. Folks should be called what they want to be called . So this went beyond a simple breach of my privacy but also a rude liberty to be taking with me vis-a-vis what I stated my preferred name was.

    Second, at least one of those busy bodies browsed my professional web site. Some of you dudes are lawyers and doctors and don’t depend on the web for your living. That web site was my professional office so to speak and discovering they were poking around in there was like finding out somebody is trying to jimmy the lock on the front door of the grocery store that you own.

    That incident gave me a distinct distaste for several of my fellow liberals.

    P.S. Tex now that I’m a low wage sonofabitch I’m game for giving some limited assistance in harassing the Grannies. It’s amazing how working your ass off for just above min wage brings out the “mean” in you. :evil: Just float an idea and I’ll be glad to pitch in.

  338. R – I had faith in your being better than the rest of us. Now I see you’re a low-life, too. tsk-tsk-tsk

    Welcome to the party!

  339. Tex now that I’m a low wage sonofabitch I’m game for giving some limited assistance in harassing the Grannies. It’s amazing how working your ass off for just above min wage brings out the “mean” in you. :evil: Just float an idea and I’ll be glad to pitch in.

    Now you know why I’m such a bastard.

    I’d have to get consortium of subject matter experts of bastardum here (I’m not sure Muffy would lower herself to partake and Poolman I think has resigned himself to neutral), but I kind of thought you treating the Nag’s blog as your own (provide some mindless drivel and we’ll take it from there). :twisted:

    Nobody can write longer, more meaningless gibberish than I can. BIC would have them so confused they’d babble. Wait until Auntie Jean gets a gander of some of these beauties. Can you imagine Aunt Jean getting a good raking over from the Rabbit?

    Her Depends would be soaked for a month and her eyes would bulge out of her head. :razz:

  340. Huck,

    Do you know to this day I will still watch Charlie Brown Specials? I’ve even been known to watch Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer at 50 too.

    Charles Schultz was a man I greatly admire as adult. Same with Fred Rogers. Maybe this is why…they had it figured out:

  341. There were several urban (myths? maybe truths?) about Schulz. As I understand the story, he was very bright and was a year ahead in school. But because he was younger than his classmates, of course he wasn’t as coordinated (got picked last for games) and less mature. He WAS Charlie Brown the Blockhead.

    My neighbor when I was in med school told me that his dad had gone to high school with Fred Rogers. Said he was a très nice fellow, but a bit odd. His comment was that all the boys carried their books at their sides, but Fred carried them in front – like the girls. That was the extent of his knowledge, but we got the implication. Not that anybody cared, really…

  342. So, Rutherford, what kind of soliloquy are you going to throw at FG’s? Make it something we can get our teeth into.

    “Her Depends would be soaked for a month.” You’re killing me. You gotta stop….heeeeee eeee haaaaa haaaaa….wheweeeee!

  343. What I found especially interesting at Fat Grannies was that there have only been 2 posts this calendar year. I don’t know how long that blog has been around, but it would seem that the 2 old gals blew their wad (you’re welcome for the mental image) on the re-election effort and now don’t have any steam left to defend their man during his serial scandals.

    Not even a token “they are only scandals to Republicans.”

    Nope…the best they have offered this entire year is recap and a poke at the GWB library…reverting back to the “Bush is so dumb…” meme. It’s funny how people hang on to that one even while our current president evidently has something to hide in his academic record.

  344. To my surprise I was not put in moderation … but I also don’t know how long the comment will stay there before getting deleted so have at it gentlemen. :-)

    (It’s me at my lefty commie best!)

  345. Well…after reading Rutherford’s comment, I’d say he certainly took Tex’s recommendation to post mindless drivel to heart. ;)

    Better there than here. Had he posted that crap here, we’d have eaten him alive.

  346. Was that your liberal rallying cry? A volley just the same. You will find few Obama dissenters in that mix. It’s mostly blue waters. Some new and some old faces. Chris is over there doing a fine job trying to wake up the masses.

  347. Over 40 under 45.

    Fat Grannies moderator isn’t the brightest sort of fellow. I was blocked on average 10 times a day as anonymous for the better part of a year. I would use my blocked I.P. to send the mod “friendly” personal messages as I knew he would be the only one to see. The place is mildly entertaining from time to time but is basically the same circle jerk place its always been. The passive aggressive thing wears after awhile. I get a lot more excitement out of debate sites now. Its 90% political just 10 times faster paced than this setting.

  348. Hope everyone had a great Memorial Weekend.

    They’re always a mix for me. Memorial Day is just that, and I always think back on the friends and colleagues lost. I think the hardest, and certainly most surreal, was the lost of Sergeant Major D. As most of you know, I was in Iraq for over a year, through all of the surge and the worst of the violence. I was stationed in the heart of the “Sunni Triangle” and it was my responsibility to travel extensively through most of Northern Iraq. I was at a BN HQ, visiting and SM D. and I were having dinner. We would discuss mission, but most of our comms were on the troops and and how they were holding up. He was very proud of his guys and worked hard to support them. He was killed the next day by an IED while on patrol. We often times take for granted the little moments. Who knew how important that brown bag dinner would be to me?

    It is hard not to get numb to what we see around us. I’ve been rocketed, mortared and shot at (yes, tracers are pretty at night), but the more you come out of alive, the more you think you can handle. Then comes a SM D. to put everything back in perspective.

    He’s never far from my mind, and it is not a stretch to claim that I think of him as often as I think of my own boys when I talk politics. I’ve been to over a couple dozen countries, most of which are sweltering shit-holes. The ones that aren’t sweltering shit-holes, the “modern” and “nice” ones, are typically facades, that routinely—like this administration—remind me of the Griswald Christmas Dinner: beautiful and appeasing on the outside, but rancid and corrupt inside. We are unique and special. We have something that so many want to be a part of because they see it for the special place that it is. Is there such a thing as American Exceptionalism? Of course there is. Our exceptionalism has never been about everyone being the same, but about everyone being different. Our sameness was that while we were all individually different, we were all patriotically American, supporting the ideals of America. We’re losing that, and we’re losing that because of an increased ignorance in what America is and a deliberate campaign to distort away from what America should be.

    R, I told you in 2008 that Obama would be bad for Dems, but that he would be the worst thing to happen to blacks, because his failures would hurt them the most. He was suppose to be the great uniter, but 5+ years later, we see that he has been the most divisive President we’ve ever had in modern era. He was to have the most transparent Administration in history, but the only thing transparent has been his rhetoric as he rivals Nixon in paranoia, media distortion and political corruption. I keep asking you to defend him, and you repeatedly fail, instead flailing at some tangent of no consequence while ignoring the substance of the point. You were so hot-to-trot about how Obama was going to save us in 2008, and again in 2012 how Obama was going to find his grove and take the nation forward, except that you’ve never been able to point to how this was going to happen, or how it has never happened.

    So what do we know now?

    We know that the Administration targeted reporters who reported things that the Administration thought would hurt it. From Fast & Furious to Benghazi, this Administration actively abused its power and worked to undermine first Amendment freedoms.

    We know that the Administration actively abused its power to target political opponents to undermine their ability to assemble and suppress their efforts to get out the vote. Imagine the outcry had a Republican Administration used the IRS to target a liberal group or movement, suppressing their ability to fundraise and assemble? Can you imagine the voter suppression claims that would come from that?

    We know the Administration distorted and lied about the events in Benghazi because it would politically hurt them in a political season. To claim otherwise, at this point, is futile and fraudulent. The Administration lied about how the talking points were changed, who changed them. More to the point, the Administration has been exposed in its failure to properly respond to the event, demonstrating its failure to defend the men and women serving the nation.

    This is by no means an exhaustive list. I could also point out the political and financial corruption that has been the Department of Energy’s loan program, pumping hundreds of millions of tax-payer dollars to political contributors to the Administration for flimsy, if not out-right corrupt enterprises. Solyndra is the most popular, but Tesla (not one single car EVER manufactured in the United States), and the Chevy Volt battery company LG Chem (all Volt batteries produced in Korea) are high on the list of abject failures costing hundreds of millions of dollars. For Christ sakes, 22 of the 26 companies given DoE loans were in JUNK status at the time of the loan. JUNK.

    We’re passionate on this forum with you because we see the complete fallacy of this Administration. We attempt to engage you on the premise of liberalism, but you fail to defend both. I know I want this debate, and the vast majority of the forum participants here want it as well, yet you routinely fail to engage. If you still believe—and maybe that’s a question: do you still believe?—then why won’t you defend that for which you believe? Maybe I’m not far off when I say Chicago Jesus, all you’ve got at this point is faith…

    With this Memorial Day weekend, we see an Administration exposed and wanting, an America still struggling and a people wondering how they could have been so wrong.

  349. That was beautiful Rutherford–you at your commie best. So far, it is still there.

    Your comments were moving, gorrilla. No one is better than you to keep; the memory of a good man alive and in defending American exceptionalism.

    Noah, what did you do to get blocked?

  350. Huck – “2 old gals blew their wad”

    You know the real deal about that phrase, right? In the era of muzzle loaders, sometimes soldiers would get excited and put in the powder, then the wad, tamp it down with the ramrod, and forget to put the bullet in. They would then “shoot their wad,” to no effect, of course, wasting precious time and exposing themselves to further danger.

    The porn reference is very recent. My mom and dad used that phrase in the ’50s and ’60s very often to refer to someone who jumped in prematurely and was, thus, ineffective.

    The opposite was to “hang fire.” Then you had waited TOO LONG and were ineffective.

    Ah, English – what a great language!

  351. Damn Rutherford! You jumped the gun and caught me off guard.

    Read Fire Aim! :lol: Look Rambo, you don’t run into the war guns blazing. You got to coordinate our attacks.

    Rutherford, Rutherford. You’re just never going make it as a mean guy.

  352. Gorilla @ #463 – There’s some straight shooting right there. Quite the reminder, every word true, and just plain real.

  353. Excellent letter, Gorilla. At this point, I don’t even expect Rutherford to answer, mainly because the Left is out of excuses and Rutherford has been abandoned by his comrades. I give him credit for not abandoning the blog. He certainly could have by now. Many of these crusaders have.

    Of all things you listed Gorilla, and all true and some heart felt, there is one overriding factor about liberalism that bothers me above all others.

    It’s that liberalism is never held accountable for the results, the faults, the broken promises, the distortions,and above all the damage it has caused. It’s covered by a corrupt media sweeping the disaster under the rug, while attempting to put the happy face on with spin.

    Let me give you an example. How often has Bush been criticized as buffoon and worse for the missing WMDs? The supposed trillion dollars of two wars?

    If we are to put sheer dollars on these mistakes, what about Obama’s promise to halve the deficit? B.O. more than doubled the deficit all four years of his first administration. Do you hear criticism from the Left? What you hear more excuses about how it was necessary and Obama saved us from a Depression. Where is the proof of that? Let me answer. There is none. It’s unfounded speculation and pure spin.

    Rutherford has taken me to task a couple of times for him having a better handle on the opinions of the populace than me. That may be true. I did think America better than this and I didn’t think America would accept four more years of failure without any plan of improving on the failure. It did.

    I am left to wait patiently for the inevitable outcome of watching a house built on sand washed away – blue state America even with all its built in advantages of history, geography and climate, collapse from mismanagement and corruption.

    America didn’t have to become Detroit.

  354. Dumbass John McCain needs to butt out of foreign policy.

    He was in Syria this weekend, meeting with the rebels.

    These idiots in Washington (all of them) are bound and determined to stick our nose into the fight over there. The EU, too. And now Russia, in response, is going to start sending Assad more weapons.

    Nothing good is going to come from us butting into that mess.

  355. “Dumbass John McCain needs to butt out of foreign policy.”

    I’ve about had it with him too.

  356. Rutherford, you don’t mind being called as witness, do you in a bogus harassment and intimidation charge? :smile:

    I’ve got a perfectly legal way to identify that little snake in the grass Lori, and we’ll let her do the bidding in doing so. We’ll even get to shake her hand!

    I’ll let you do the spitting.

  357. I always knew John McCain was stupid even when I voted for him. 2008 was the zenith for me of voting for the lesser of two awfuls.

    But I’ll be damned if I can figure the man out now.

  358. Ouch…

    “It is impossible to understand the Obama administration’s uniquely hostile treatment of Fox News without understanding the self-image of the Obama team. On the one hand, the targeting of Fox News for isolation and surveillance suggests an administration so lacking in competence that it cannot tolerate criticism or scrutiny. On the other, the attacks suggest hubris, a confidence that few would ever object to its conduct.

    That contradiction has a religious quality to it. Indeed, President Barack Obama has led an administration that has, at times, been more of a religious movement than a governing body. Obama has made miraculous promises of political and planetary transformation; he has encouraged a cult-like following, even among formerly skeptical journalists; and he has constructed a demonology of his opponents, real and imagined.

    Most of all, the Obama administration preaches a millenarian idea of history that places it at the apex of a process of moral evolution. In that view, the “long arc of history” that Obama cited in his victory speech in 2008 does not just bend towards justice in a moral sense, but towards him in a political sense. He and his supporters see his election as both the culmination and transcendence of everything that came before him.

    Accordingly, Obama and his supporters refuse to be judged on normal criteria, such as the president’s actual record in office. Though he is quick to claim credit on the rare occasion–such as the bin Laden raid–when things go right, President Obama typically adopts a prophetic distance from the office he holds that insulates him from criticism and allows him to attack the very Washington he leads, the very political games he plays.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2013/05/28/fox-news-vs-the-cult-of-obama

  359. Fat Grannies is a hoot today. “antonymy” :lol: Evidently it’s Rutherford’s own fault for expecting anonymity. So says the Twitter genius.

    Tex, Doc, James – if you already know this then my apologies, but women and shemales who know they are outmatched will invariably try and get you to move away from your strengths and go at it with them on more even terrain.

    It’s the issues where you have them defenseless. Anybody can out someone. Wile E. Lori is proof of that.

  360. muffy – I’m all ears. Please expound further.

    The problem with this gang of three is there is nothing they are expert at. One is a retired piano player, and has apparently done nothing else. The second just traipses around after the Dem candidates, hoping to touch the hem of Hussein’s garment and have him stroke her hair; the third spent her life doing illustrations for kiddie books. Nothing wrong with ANY of that, but that’s all they know. Tex, James, Noah and I do more on a good Thursday.

    However, if you have some inside info on the weaker stronger sex, we’re ready to listen.

  361. re: McCain – I don’t want no fuckin’ more troops, equipment, ships, cruise missiles, money or diesel fuel wasted on any more adventuring in the Middle East. They can all kill each other as far as I’m concerned, and the good thing is that, no matter who is killed, he’s a Muslim fundamentalist. Have at it, boys, and the Devil take the hindmost…

    McCain is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Don’t quote me on this, but I think McCain had already crashed two or three airplanes when he got shot down over N. Vietnam. If he hadn’t been an admiral’s son/grandson, he would have been flying a desk. He also was something like 894th out of a class of 900 at the Naval Academy. And I’m sure getting his brains beat out over and over by the NV did nothing for his razor intellect, either.

    He needs to stay the f*ck home and contemplate his sins.

  362. Thanks Muffy. I have noticed that. But mud fights are so much fun. I will try to take your advice.

  363. John McCain is definately not the sharpest knife. He proved that with the way he conducted his presidential campaign and his choice of advisors.

  364. Well, to put it another way, Doc, men don’t really know their own strength. Even most shrimps. And those buzzards over there would like nothing more than to keep it that way.

    So they’ll never meet you for a debate on the issues. Not the two you pegged (and accurately), anyway. The gargoyle bookends. Most of the rest are just falling in line, though Lord knows why.

    The issues. That’s the terrain they can’t fight on and you can and they know it. You might as well be challenging them to a boxing match.

    A former marine taught me that there’s one thing a soldier can’t change and that’s the terrain. Now that I think about it he might have said there are 3 things a soldier can’t change but I forget the other two :lol:

    Anyway, we’re not bound by the same restriction in verbal fisticuffs. The issues are the terrain the FG lulus can’t fight on so they’ll do anything to stay out of the weeds.

    Everything you said in #478 is true.

  365. Pf, 428 is very interesting. It seems to me a great deal of the denial outlined in the article is also expressed here on a near daily basis. Perhaps immigration reform moving forward under the radar might help crack the ideological concrete.

    Gorilla, is 463 a post on your blog? If not, it should be. Thank you for writing it here.

    R, I only know one person with Alz. and from what I see, it is terrifying to her. Her diagnosis was the end product of a night where she was found in her gravel driveway in her pajamas, shouting at an imaginary stalker.

    Those of you with McCain regret, would you still be defending him if he had made it this far in his Presidency? What would that world look like? Perhaps no Benghazi, but then again, we might be involved even deeper in Libya, on the ground, fighting an insurgency. We might have expanded into Eastern Pakistan or Iran. With more tax cuts and another war or two being fought, what would our deficits look like then? Would Gitmo be closed? Would we be using less drones or more? Would domestic spying be on the downturn or would it have increased?

  366. “Noah, what did you do to get blocked?”

    I would assume for just being Conservative. The Anonymous handle made them guess a little longer before getting blocked. No matter my approach (from right, to middle of the road moderate, to independent, to Chinese immigrant new to this country, if I disagreed with the majority opinion, I would be blocked in a half dozen comments or less.

    Its funny on these debate. Contributors can post debate topics and the moderator posts them anon so no one knows who posted the question. No matter how much evidence I provide in a topic, no matter how I word it, the Obama people cannot get themselves to say even one critical word about Obama. They instantly go into “well Bush did this and you said nothing so you have no right to complain.” Once again, being exposed to hundreds of new Liberals, I am amazed how pervasive this attitude is. Better still, 99.5% of blacks of every political persuasion(as I have seen their arguments in other threads, almost all have photo of themselves) defend Obama fanatically. Those blacks that do stand up to Obama get some of the most hate filled responses from other blacks I’ve seen anywhere. They get the whole Uncle Tom, you’ve forgotten where you come from, probably married a white girl, turned against your own, type of comments.

    Bottom line is there is no reasonable argument to be made with 98% of Liberals. They don’t want to meet in the middle of the road, or work things out. If they are there to talk, it is for the purpose of seeing how much they can manipulate you or how much they can get for themselves before turning on you to get the rest. Their only desire is to be right and for their side to win. Every moral point is up for sacrifice if it will achieve victory.

    My honest theory at this point is that the people that are more in need of hand holding, for lack of a better term, that need to be told what to do, tend to be leftists. The more this is true, the more they latch on to Liberal ideology. And because so much of their existence is wrapped and dependent on this, they lash out. The more left, the more emotional their reasoning seems to be. This would then I think explain why so many of the same attributes tend to be so pervasive among Liberals.

  367. Thor,

    All I know for sure with McCain as President is we wouldn’t have Obamacare.

    That alone makes McCain better than Obama because frankly, and I mean this, McCain couldn’t have done much worse.

    If you knew what I do about medical billing and coverage, from what is now being taught in the medical schools to the costs associated with just the implementation and administration of Obamacare; and if you knew what it will do to insurance coverage within 5-7 years; and if you understood what it will do to supply and capability of physicians once invoked….

    …you would not be a fan of Obamacare.

    That is, unless your comfortable with nurse practitioners and physicians assistants providing a majority of your diagnoses.

    Now that is not to short practitioners and PAs. There are some fine ones. But understand an MD has on average four times the training and three boards passed in comparison to those listed.

    So in a more practical manner, would you feel more comfortable with a life changing tax issue talking to a CPA, or beginning second year accounting student? Just something to think about.

    ———-

    Consider this. My oldest daughter graduated summa cum laude in one of the most difficult majors offered in college with electives like differential equations and thermodynamics thrown in for good measure. She is not atypical of the quality in med school.

    At the end of her education, she will have fourteen years of collegiate, professional and clinical experience before she even draws a real paycheck. Someone like Pfesser reading your x-rays? Minimum 13 years of professional training and education just to get to the point of operating independently.

    What makes you think someone with that capability is going to tolerate government bureaucrats with no medical experience whatsoever telling them the how and the when to do their jobs?

    And I don’t mean to be harsh in this sense. Not at all so please take this the right way. Unless you’re a man of much means, and you may indeed be, your boy is going to be in serious trouble before you’re gone if you can’t meet the ante.

    There will come a time if Obama is fully implemented, that the only people who receive something more than the minimum of medical care are those connected and those with the means. And by means, I mean cash means.

    That doesn’t give you pause?

  368. thor, I have move videos should you choose to watch them

    Sofia Jannok and Kristian Anttila “Thunder of Three Heavens”

    Eivor True Love (Director:Heiorik a Hygum)

    HEIDRIK-JEALOUS-LIVE ATRADIO GHETTO FOROYAR.

    As I wrote, my mother didn’t have Alzheimers but congestive heart failure produced a similar effect. Her note to herself stated she was afraid,

    I voted for McCain because he wasn’t Obama. I would have voted for Hillary or Bill or even you or me. I saw this coming because I read about Obama’s past.

    No Benghazi.

    We would have been camping out in Iraq with the prospect of being there as long as we’ve been in Germany.,

    I think our soldiers and allies would have battled in Libya and insodoing would have created a stronger government with the jihadists remaining in the background.

    We likely would have troops in Syria.

    Tax cuts designed to create jobs, not just to protect the favored classes would have increased our national income as they did during the Bush years. However, the wars would have counterbalanced the additional income.

    Our economy would be healthier now,

    The journalist and IRS schemes would not have happened.

    Much would depend on who controlled Congress.

  369. One other thing, Thor (and Rutherford).

    I’ve given both of you a line of crap – sometimes beyond the pale. Both of you can dish it when required. So let’s drop the pretense for a minute and be honest without insult.

    Do you honestly think, even with all of McCain’s shortcomings and I’ll be the first to admit I was aghast at just how ignorant the man was, McCain would have been as self absorbed, in total denial of responsibility or accountability, had enemy lists five years into his Presidency?

    Guys, I submit to you that the completely self absorbed, denial of accountability and responsibility, enemy lists, and paranoia are hallmarks of dictatorships and tyranny.

  370. “Those of you with McCain regret, would you still be defending him if he had made it this far in his Presidency?”

    No.

    “What would that world look like?”

    I don’t know, what would the world look like if Obama was president on 9/11?

    What would it look like if Romney were president now?

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz…….

  371. “Hopefully, by that time I will have executed my patented Ground Loop. My only hesitation is to destroy such a beautiful old airplane. Me? I’m gone either way.” – Pf

    Reminded me of this movie.

  372. I don’t regret voting for McCain. Oh hell no.

    So when you talk about denial and “ideological concrete” it sounds good and all writerly and shit but you’re talking out of your ass if you’re one of the fools who let that snake in the door.

  373. Wow. That was a bit harsh. Obviously I’ve had too much coffee today.

    Sorry Thor. Allow me a rephrase –

    Obama is the worst thing to happen to this country this side of 9/11. Not McCain.

  374. …you would not be a fan of Obamacare.- Tex

    I’m not. Single payer, remember? He didn’t even get it on the table. And BTW, I think your assessment was pretty fair.

    “Do you honestly think, even with all of McCain’s shortcomings and I’ll be the first to admit I was aghast at just how ignorant the man was, McCain would have been as self absorbed, in total denial of responsibility or accountability, had enemy lists five years into his Presidency?”

    No, he would have been bad for entirely different reasons. :)

    With one note of similarity, the self absorption. But this might be a point at which we differ. I see most all politicians as being overly self concerned. It’s a pre-requisite for the career choice.

    James, I agree about Benghazi. But I’m not so sure about the AP thing and the IRS. McCain is all about squashing leaks. And an aggressive operative sliding a data mining operation under his nose is fairly easy to picture as well. Now, on to more important things. I will “research” the videos.

    I met a man the other day with the first name Aric. When I inquired as to the origin, his friend laughed and said “Russian”. Aric leveled his eyes like drones at his companion, grunting “Finland”. I replied, “Oh, Western Russia.” It did not go over too well. ;)

    But later he had the last laugh. I inquired about “Sami”? Apparently I was saying it wrong. I was pronouncing it “Sammy” like Sammy Davis Jr., but he said it was “Sah-mee”, like the magician is going to “saw me” in half. I did not ask him about Eivor. I’m sure I’m murdering that as well.

  375. Thor, I don’t disagree that virtually every pol self absorbed. I agree with few exceptions, it is a prerequisite for office. Believe it or not, I have been asked to run for several offices over the years by several of the little people and some of the players in town who promised to help finance me. And even at the local level, I told them, “No way. I’m not subjecting my children or my wife to the abuse.”

    Where I do disagree with you, I’m sure, is to degree. Obama takes malignant narcissism to a whole different level. Stop the seas from rising, speeches littered every fifth word with ‘I’, standing in front of Styrofoam Greek columns, the cult of Obama naively believing just the dynamism of his personality would bring new order.

    I’m willing to forgive and forget a little more concerning Rutherford than the rest of you leftists in 2008, as it self-explanatory why he might get caught up in the moment.

    But I’m surprised an educated man like you doesn’t notice the transparent and lame weakness of the man.

    Since I’m self-admitted guilty of cutting a person off at the knees before they have a chance to fully explain themselves, let me give you a bit of “liberty and luxury” to explain yourself. :grin:

    Why single payer? What justification can you provide that single payer would improve the delivery of health care?

  376. “no matter who is killed, he’s a Muslim fundamentalist.”

    Unfortunately, this is far from fact. There’s way too many people just trying to mind their own business and live their life getting killed, as well.

    But that doesn’t mean I think we should get involved.

    ———

    “Those of you with McCain regret, would you still be defending him if he had made it this far in his Presidency?”

    I don’t have McCain regret. I just think he needs to butt out of foreign policy. As a senator, it isn’t his realm.

    There isn’t really a basis for half your questions..but here’s a few to pacify you.

    “we might be involved even deeper in Libya, on the ground, fighting an insurgency.”

    Probably not. Unlike Obama, he’d have asked congress and been denied.

    “We might have expanded into Eastern Pakistan or Iran.”

    See above.

    “Would Gitmo be closed?”

    It isn’t closed now.

    ———————–

    “We would have been camping out in Iraq with the prospect of being there as long as we’ve been in Germany.,”

    No we wouldn’t have. The pullout was already set by Bush and the Iraqis refused to go back on it…even when Obama asked them to.

    ————-

    On a similar note….Obama is working up plans for a no-fly-zone in Syria. At the same time, Russia is sending AA weapons to Syria.

    But let’s speculate about how bad McCain would blow it…..

  377. “Unfortunately, this is far from fact. There’s way too many people just trying to mind their own business and live their life getting killed, as well.” Hucking

    I agree. Particularly in Syria. Christians, Druze, lot of moderates. I wish the Pfessor was right and agree there is no upside to jumping in this fight. But damn a lot of normal people are getting killed.

    The way I see it there might have been a very brief moment, right at the beginning, for getting involved. Now that it is an Al Queda fly trap…..ain’t no way.

    Either way…..this is a bad, bad situation. The Middle East is a tinder box.

  378. “On a similar note….Obama is working up plans for a no-fly-zone in Syria. At the same time, Russia is sending AA weapons to Syria.
    But let’s speculate about how bad McCain would blow it…..”

    Pretty much sums up Thor the Bore. He used to use things that happened a long time ago as a smoke screen. Now he uses a homemade choose your adventure book. Things that might have could have happened. Anything but have an intelligent conversation about what is happening in front of his face. Ahh…..silly liberals.

  379. Those of you with McCain regret, would you still be defending him if he had made it this far in his Presidency? What would that world look like? Perhaps no Benghazi, but then again, we might be involved even deeper in Libya, on the ground, fighting an insurgency. We might have expanded into Eastern Pakistan or Iran. With more tax cuts and another war or two being fought, what would our deficits look like then? Would Gitmo be closed? Would we be using less drones or more? Would domestic spying be on the downturn or would it have increased?
    I don’t have ny McCain gret cu I never voted for him. I would throw some additional things into the mix though on top of bucks very good ones.
    First off McCain couldn’t have gotten involved in Libya since allegedly Obama was the cause of the so called Arab Spring lol…
    All other speculations should take into some account the different makeup of advisors and Cabinet.

  380. @huck I have to say the report on Russia shipping in Aa systems jumped out at me today. I think we need to accept that there are those looking at syria ore for the “after” than the here and ow

  381. Russia sending AA weapons to Syria had better be concerning the Obama administration and anyone else looking to get mixed up in the mess over there.

    It’s not like the rebels have aircraft, folks. So there is only 1 reason to beef up air defenses…to shoot down American (et al) planes. This won’t be like Libya.

    It sure is a good thing the Cold War is over like Obama told Romney, isn’t it?

  382. ‘Why single payer? What justification can you provide that single payer would improve the delivery of health care?” – Tex

    Not so sure it would. I just prefer Medicare’s 3% overhead to United Healthcare’s 20%.

    “Obama takes malignant narcissism to a whole different level.” Tex

    Well, not only is he a politician, he’s a writer. :)

  383. “Get one of those Glamour pics to spruce you up, or something. Maybe that can bring out the plain.

    No wonder you got time to be a political zealot.”
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    My sides are hurting.

    What the hell is it with that weird Olan Mills Aunt Liki Liki pic anyway?

  384. Not so sure it would. I just prefer Medicare’s 3% overhead to United Healthcare’s 20%.

    Well, let’s see. Yesterday, I read Medicare will be officially broke by the year 2018 unless either the age acceptance increased, or the rates increased. What do you think will happen to wait times, reimbursement rates, quality of care if we add another 250 million patients to the Medicare rolls?

    Did I add doctor’s Medicare reimbursement rates have been reduced 5 times in 11 years? How much longer do you think that’s going to fly by the people providing the treatment? Are you going to force doctors to work?

    I don’t know where you’re getting your numbers, but you need to find another source. Health care providers earn some of the smallest profit margins of any industry. United Healthcare’s published reports to the SEC last year showed a profit margin of 4.09%.

    But what those numbers don’t show is coverage and quality of care. Most people that have quality health insurance like United (that would be me) are pleased with the coverage and so far, can live with the rates. If you think you’re going to get prime coverage under Medicare, you haven’t been dealing with Medicare and aging parents like I have. My father just waited 14 weeks to see a neurologist for an electroencephalogram. My niece, covered by Humana I think, was scheduled in 48 hours last month for the same procedure.

    But you’re not making the right comparison, Thor. If you have confidence government can deliver a quality product, then you haven’t been working with the same agencies I have. But if you have come to that conclusion, you ought to be consistent and push for more government productivity in all industry – like military weaponry. :grin:

    Like I said, connected or cash is what you’ll be left with under ‘single payer’ if you want reasonable and sustained treatment.

  385. Tigre, I may need you and BIC to provide “lawyerly” help to keep me from the guillotine.

    Lori, the same Lori that tried to cause maximum damage to our host by outing him for not being enough Kermit Gosnell, has threatened me with civil suit for my “harassment and intimidation” if I continue to address her in any shape, form or fashion. I thought harassment and intimidation was criminal in nature? Oh well.

    The most egregious act was me correcting her spelling of the word “biggot” by noting most spell Texxas, Texas.

    I expect any moment to have my front door kicked in to be served by the Dimocratic operatives of ‘Turn Texas Blue.’

    Lori is pulling out the big guns and she’s both rich and powerful. And she’s got the time.

    ** SNORT **

    I thought I was quite gentlemanly and lenient in offering to leave the nags, hags and bags alone if Lori would come into Rutherford’s blog, bend over and while groveling with apology kiss Rutherford’s sparkling arse, announcing to this room she is both an asshole and imbecile.

  386. Man, we’ve become some sad mofos if we are filling up this comment section with comments about another blog’s comment section…lol

    And I in no way am excluding myself from that assessment!

    We need another post, Rutherford! You have any opinions on Syria? Chinese cyber attacks? SARS? Scan a news site and give us SOMETHING, man… ;)

  387. Yup, let’s send them guns…

    Members of the Free Syrian Army reportedly attacked the Christian-dominated al-Duvair village in Reef on the outskirts of Homs on Monday, where they massacred its citizens, including women and children, before the Syrian Army interfered.

    This reported attack comes shortly after intense fighting in the city of al-Qusseir over the weekend, in which Bashar Al-Assad’s forces inflicted heavy casualties on the rebels.

    Assad’s forces launched an offensive in April in an effort to cut off supply lines to the rebels by taking the city and its surrounding areas from the rebel groups that had been entrenched there since last year. Two weeks ago, the Syrian forces reached the center of the city

    While the sources describing Monday’s massacre are supportive of Assad, it’s possible that it occurred since the rebel groups fighting the Assad regime are composed mainly of members of al-Qaeda and al-Qaeda affiliated groups and have committed war crimes and atrocities in the past.

    Jabhat al-Nusra, the branch of al-Qaeda that fought and killed American and allied troops in Iraq, have positioned themselves in Syria and control the rebel movement.

  388. “Like I said, connected or cash is what you’ll be left with under ‘single payer’ if you want reasonable and sustained treatment.”

    Here’s how I see it going down: firstly, MDs are retiring in droves. The number of med school dropouts is going through the roof; something rarely even heard of during my med school days. I knew one case. The upshot? doctor shortage.

    Secondly, when the govt has control, it will be faced with an unlimited demand for (free) services, which is just not do-able, so it will have to control them in some way, and because the govt is so inefficient in what it does, there will be less services to start with, which will then be curtailed. Bottom line? Reduced services, long waits for elective procedures, if you can get them at all, fewer doctors (nurse practs and physician’s assistants doing most of the medicine), crushingly high taxes to pay for it all.

    This ain’t rocket science; just look elsewhere and you can see what socialized medicine is like. (Well, it’s like described above, actually…try getting your knees replaced in Canada or the UK)

  389. Um, Mr. Rutherford. Do you remember our conversation some weeks back where you a little miffed with me about my question of who is “fact checking the fact checkers?”

    Not to open old wounds, but someone has a little empirical evidence to back up my claims that these fact checkers seem to invariably find truth in Democratic claims and lies in Repubican claims – and there seems to be a whole lot of fudging going on about truth.

    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2013/05/28/study-finds-fact-checkers-biased-against-republicans?s_cid=rss:peter-roff:study-finds-fact-checkers-biased-against-republicans

  390. thor, as alfie noted the cast is also influential, and I don’t think the people McCain would have hired would have behaved as Obama’s staff did. Of course I could be wrong.

    Your story about aric was funny. Don’t ask the Fins if they are Asian or true Europeans. If you do, run! One of my wife’s former high school students is completing her PHD in linquistics, and she has been living in Finland, Russian and the Baltic states.

    The meterologist who supervises we volunteer weather observers is Swedish. He and my wife’s former student confirm my belief that the Finns also hate Swedes. Touchy people, those northerners.

    My wife’s former student and I chatted for over an hour at a graduation party. She is almost ready to audition for the Finish version of America’s Got Talent.

    I met three Dutch and a British girl when I was writing a story about One Dirction fan videos. One of the most creative was done by these girls who attend a British language school in the South of France. They are nice kids and intelegent. We have corresponded several times. On Friday, they will audition for the French version of America’s Got Talent.

    Maybe one of them will give me an audiograph if they get famous. Ha!

    Today is when our daughter learns if birth is induced, or she waits another week for another decision. The specialist says he doesn’t know what is going on with the baby and told the parents “you can’t seem to catch a break.” Whenever it happens we will be baby sitting.

  391. No body is threatening me with civil or criminal lawsuits, but if Lori could do it to you, Tex, I could do it to them. Some one impersonated me, and also Noah, I believe. An entire blog post was devoted to Noah. Maybe the statute of limitations has run out. i don’t know. Still, it would be good to know the law.

  392. The plan is to intimidate folks, which is laughable, but the real take-home message is that LongDong struck a nerve, and caused the Little Girl to lose her temper.

    What’s she going to do next, stamp her foot? LOL

  393. Tex, Iowa Concern 800 447 1985 is operated by the Iowa State University Extension service. The office uses attorneys for free legal advice. The lawyers and interns are on duty in the afternoon, i think. We used their services over a land division question with relatives.

  394. James and Pfesser. Who knew that correcting her spelling immediately after Lori Loon had castigated that Chris fellow and called him “biggot” would be considered harassment and intimidation? I was just trying to be helpful. :grin:

    And if making fun of somebody now constitutes harassment and intimidation, Rutherford could have half of us marched to the gas chamber and me burned at the stake. I pray Lori hasn’t given him any ideas.

    I get the impression Lori is rather young in addition to being a profoundly ignorant bully.

  395. Tex, I trust your question about the accusation is tongue-in-cheek. I did not see any direct threats to her personal safety or well-being.

    Isn’t this twit Lori the one that published Rutherford’s personal information in an effort intimidate, harass and threaten him of having the temerity to make comments on social issues that she didn’t agree with?

  396. Lori is middle aged, maybe fifty or so. She has a grown daughter who campaigned for Obama. Her family knew the Goldwaters and she remembers seeing Barry in their home. The families liked each other. Lori was kind to Craig when his wife sickened and died. They were arch enemies before that.

    Lori tried to threaten me after I used her cyber stalking link to hit anon. I quoted a sentence which used “annonomous” and Lori blew up. She thought I was referring to her and warned me that if we communicated consequences would be dire.

    I basically answered that she was a fool and she should have noticed I didn’t initiate contacts with her. I requoted her insult and returned it to her.

    This tells us several things. Lori has money and connections. She may be intellegent, but her ideology and personality blind her. She quit debating me because she couldn’t win. As the cyber stalking conversation shows, Lori has a thiner skin than she lets on.

    One can poke at her and get a reaction. Lori later made an oblique reference to me after I wrote about the porch dwellers’ inability to win arguements.

    I learned in my time of troubles to let the other person strike the first blow and retaliate forceabley. Its why back then, I carried a knife,not a pistol because I didn’t want to do anything rash, and it would give my self- defense plea more credance.

  397. She is the twit. Much of this, including past aggression against others is still on the internet.

  398. I don’t know how young she is – I think about mid-forties or so. Her thought processes, though, are juvenile; she clearly has very little real life experience, has probably never seen a hungry family, filthy children or had significant hardship herself. Just an extremely shallow, poorly-read, poorly-informed child-level thinker.

    I had a professor tell me once, “Jim, you don’t suffer fools gladly, do you?” – and – politics aside – that is the real problem I have with her – she has that lethal combination of ignorance and arrogance that defines the Obama sycophant.

    That – and the fact that I don’t do bubbly.

  399. Careful boys. Remember Newt’s warning, the FBI is watching all of this. Or is it the IRS? :)

    “Rutherford could have half of us marched to the gas chamber and me burned at the stake” – Tex

    Maybe your next pseudo there should be “Joan of Arc”. I wonder if she would understand the irony? I’ve never visited, but from what I’ve read here, I doubt it.

    “Health care providers earn some of the smallest profit margins of any industry. United Healthcare’s published reports to the SEC last year showed a profit margin of 4.09%.” – Tex

    I was talking about overhead, you stated a profit number. Clever, but I know you know the difference.

    And I’m not talking about socialized medicine, I’m talking about socialized medical insurance. One universal broker, no profit margin. There would have to be savings. Now if you and Pf want to say that one can’t be created without the other, then I am willing to listen to the argument. But I happen to think we can have public funded health insurance without making doctors public employees.

    “We need another post, Rutherford!’ – Huck

    Bachman announced she’s not running again. Wiener is. A nice compare/contrast piece perhaps?

  400. “Its why back then, I carried a knife,not a pistol because I didn’t want to do anything rash, and it would give my self- defense plea more credance.” – James

    This reminds me of a scene in the new Star Trek movie. I won’t explain, don’t want to be a spoiler, but you’ll know when you see it.

  401. Thanks for not spoiling it thor. I am a Star Trek fan.

    I am a volunteer for the Weather Service. Eight years ago, i called to tell them a band of snow remained about three miles north of our house. They could see it on a satalite photo. I said I wished it had melted from our farm, so I could ski.

    The meteorologist asked “Are you sure? check your lane south of your house.” I did. A quarter-mile patch of snow was on our lane.

    “He’s making a list and checking it twice. Gonna see who’s naughty and nice.”

  402. Thor,

    I was talking about overhead, you stated a profit number. Clever, but I know you know the difference.

    That wasn’t the purpose of why I provided that. You have made it sound if these insurance carriers are behemoths operating for pure profit at the expense of the general elect, when it fact, United Healthcare operates at a low profit with its ‘for profit revenue’ derived by economies of scale.

    The profit margin reference was to demonstrate these are not profit gougers like the Left wants us to believe.

    And you make the incorrect assumption that government is more efficient in the administration of medicine, when nothing could be further from the truth. You then ignore the fact that the very people practicing medicine tell you as much in their past dealings with Medicare – their opinions based on experience.

    For one thing, it is estimate that up to 30% of the total expense (and you’ll now note I am talking overhead) of Medicare is fraud. But even if it 10%, that amounts to billions of dollars of loss a year.

    Thor, it boils down to a couple of simple facts. You believe government benevolent; I don’t. You believe government more efficient than private business; I don’t. You believe government more capable; I don’t. You believe government more trustworthy; I don’t.

    I only have to point out the latest infringement of the IRS as proof of the potential for abuse.

    You have far more faith in government than I do, and my reasons based on past experiences of dealing with local, state and federal government. For the most part, in the best case scenario, I have found them a necessary evil.

    I believe the federal government is the most bloated, thuggish, inept, inefficient method of delivery of anything of remotely importance on this planet, that has far exceeded any bounds our framers ever envisioned it should. Other than the military, interstate commerce and trade, and perhaps a 1/10th of the federal compliance and regulation in place, I believe virtually all of administered federal government would be much more effective at the local level. In fact, I know it would.

    And I can prove that a hundred different ways.

  403. Sorry. Remote.

    Maybe your next pseudo there should be “Joan of Arc”. I wonder if she would understand the irony? I’ve never visited, but from what I’ve read here, I doubt it.

    That was funny. But then, I got the joke. However, knowing Fat Grannies better than you do, you’ll just have to trust me that my current moniker Long Duc Dong is more fitting for that hole. :grin:

    I’m a Trekkie. Watched the originals without rerun. I’ve practically got the dialogue memorized from half of them. TNG, Deep Space Nine, Voyager. I’ve watched them all.

    And I have to tell you after the big buildup, I was pretty disappointed in the new movie. In fact, I found myself looking at my watch half way through.

    Hollywood is officially out of new ideas. I just saw Fast and Furious VI led the weekend record box office. Fast and Furious VI? :lol:

    And we wonder why America might be in a world of hurt? :shock:

  404. James and Pfesser,

    You mean to tell me this Lori is damn near my age? And she’s a mother? Gulp. That right there is by definition child abuse.

    And the loon is making idiot threats like that? Damn, these people are even worse off than I thought.

    Well, I have figured out one thing. Between Fat Grannies, Tom Hanks being nominated as most admired man in America, and Fast and Furious VI leading the box office, I don’t have to question why Barack Obama got reelected.

    There is one saving grace, though.

    It also explains why Thor and Rutherford have a better handle on America than I do. :wink:

  405. Tex, I trust your question about the accusation is tongue-in-cheek. I did not see any direct threats to her personal safety or well-being.

    Yes, tongue-in-cheek. I don’t think they allow you to file harassment charges under a fictitious name for being called inane, Brownshirt, ugly and illiterate. LOL.

    Isn’t this twit Lori the one that published Rutherford’s personal information in an effort intimidate, harass and threaten him of having the temerity to make comments on social issues that she didn’t agree with?

    You got it. Rutherford didn’t offer enough Kermit Gosnell to Dear Leader Granny to merit acceptable behavior. And since Rutherford is a self-professed Lib, this became completely unacceptable and threatening to the hive. Rutherford had to be punished severely for treason and deviating in the slightest from the thought police.

    Pfesser said it best. A lethal mixture of profound arrogance and reflexive stupidity; obviously a spoiled brat that has gotten away with bullying far too long.

    James is actually the most effective butt kicker. Pfesser and I are so flagrant in our insult, it apparently takes their breath away and they are left too incoherent to respond in a direct manner. So they resort to talking about the weather, their mass achievements, and insulting us in generalities.

    But James? His critiques of their short comings are more long lasting. For whatever reason, they seek and destroy in the most vile of ways toward James. James even has the boys crying Uncle over there.

    I still aspire to achieving that measure of success.

  406. James is more like a slow-moving execution device from a James Bond movie, except his are lethal. But “helping find the plainness though a glamor shot” comment? Priceless.

    The only thing I don’t get is how some of our boys spent time at that place. Gawd.

  407. I’d like to forward an hypothesis. People tend to be biased against others when they act like assholes. This applies to radical Muslims and Republicans. :-)

    It ain’t fair but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

  408. Thanks, Tex. That means a lot to me, because I consider Pfessor and you gold standards. i did learn a few things back in my twenties.

    You might like Sofia Jannok and Kristian Anttila “Thunder of the Three Heavens on Youtube video as I mentioned to thor.

    A critic wrote that one might expect Sofia is an etheriel Swedish version of Bjork, but this thirty year old woman is “as hard as steel”. She is a revolutionary and her album is a “call to arms.” I don’t know if she has listened to Rush, but she refers to the Swedish government as “the regime” and the “occupying”. or “colonial government.”

    A New York talk show host introduced her, and her first comment was “I’ll bet you were expecting a short dark person instead of a tall blond Sami woman.”

    She will interrupt her songs with “enough of this. Lets talk politics.” and launch into an firey attack against the government or some other issue. She also exhorts her fellow Samis to vote and participate in their local governments and work toward changing the socialist Swedish government via the ballot box, law suits or violence.

    Her family still herds reindeer but she is rich enough to fund a foundation supporting indigenius people. She is a female combination of Tex and Pfessor, though she is more liberal. You should be proud.

  409. Thanks El Tigre. Complements from you all mean a lot to me.

    I agree Rutherford,. In this case, some of these people are natural bigots, who will destroy anyone who strays far from their orthodoxy. You can be polite, but if you out argue them one too many times, they will try to crush you. I was rather mean to them when they turned on me.

  410. @#531 – oh rly.

    I’ve heard that cyber-bullying occurs in large part in retaliation for abuse and shunning experienced on the part of the accused cyber-bully. That certainly jibes with James’ experience over at the viper’s nest. They like to pretend that James and the Giant Olive Seeds started the feud but that’s a fat lie. James was being James and the gargoyles didn’t want him around so they tried to run him off. As a consequence he just upped the James factor and wagged it in their faces. And refused to stop. :lol:

    As far as our other two knuckleheads, Doc befriended James and the occasional right-of-Michael Moore riff raff that wandered onto the porch *gag* – so Doc isn’t welcome. And Tex showed up one day and commented on the post and insulted the exalted hosts in the process. *gasp* The gargoyles guarding the gate went apeshit, including Poolman. It was awesome.

    Loopy is 53.

  411. “People tend to be biased against others when they act like assholes.”

    Thank you for this bit of insight, Rutherford. It goes a long way in explaining why the Tea Party and Fox News are so biased against the Obama administration.

  412. Thanks for the history, Muffy. That is a taste of how it was for four months in the service. I’ve seen worse. Upped the James factor. I like that.

    My wife returned from helping at the food pantry, and we canceled our church meeting. It is as dark as dusk with a tornado about twenty five miles west of us. It will never reach us, but I will have something to report to the weather service.

  413. Thank you for this bit of insight, Rutherford. It goes a long way in explaining why the Tea Party and Fox News are so biased against the Obama administration.

    :lol: :lol:

    Hey, Rutherford you got a lot of faults. One of them is a lack of gratitude. I just went over to Nag’s blog yesterday and made them an offer if they’ll kiss your arse on your blog and apologize for trying to out you, I’ll leave them alone.

    And in return, you insult me and the Republicans. Makes a hell of a lot of sense. :neutral:

    What you do? Defecate in your Dept. Head’s chair when they promoted you?

  414. I think it’s funny how James handles things over there. He rambles off facts and shows them where they are wrong in long, drawn out comments, causing them to resort to replies of “blah blah blah” (literally), but without being able to actually offer a shred of rebuttal against what he’s said.

    Tex and PF give them a way to respond…even if it is to draw out their rage. But James leaves them speechless and stupid. It’s brilliant.

    The whole thing makes me laugh…until I get bored…lol. They don’t really have much game over there. Must be why they resort to outing people and threats of law suits.

  415. Tex the asshole comment wasn’t directed toward you. I was thinking of Gohmert, Bachmann, Cruz and some others.

    This week you’re my hero. :-)

  416. I don’t think apeshit describes it, more like a duck on a june bug. I thought Tex was someone I knew from my days in West Texas with all the oil field trash folks I know, but turns out he wasn’t. I followed him here and Rutherford’s been stuck with me ever since. Those were the days. Good times.

  417. I’m beat from being out in the heat all day. This is the busiest year since 08. Must be that Obama economy, eh? lol. These rich folks got to have their luxuries, yanno. Beer tastes extra yummy right now, think I’ll have another… Cheers!

  418. Divide, isolate, conquer.

    The troll trio is now just that, and I refer to them as such. And they’ve assumed that position willingly; everybody else is going forth with adult conversation and all they contribute is snide and snark. Hmmm…maybe “snide,” “snark,” and “snit” would be good apellations?

    Hell hath no fury…you know the rest. And this is a group of three very scorned viragos.

  419. This week you’re my hero. :-)

    Baloney. You’d knee me in the nuts give a chance, you bastard. :grin: I was just giving you a wedgie, nitwit. Hell, you’re a lib. But you’re my lib. And you’re certainly more like the rest of us than you are those snakes.

    Figure it’s the least I can do for letting me play at your bar on your time. This Lori really is the Queen ___ of the doghouse over there. What a sorry excuse for a human being.

    ——–

    I’ve got a theory, Poolman. The economy appears to be bouncing back because Americans have been fooled once again into believing because the market is up, all is well. I know even the cynic in me says, ah…just go buy that new truck.

    Just wait.

  420. Bub, we’re indoctrinated on consumerism. But you’re right, it’s fantasy. That euphoric American Dream we’ve been fed since birth. Feels good to conquer and acquire. It’s in our neural pathways. Bring on the plenty. Enjoy it while we can. They’ll be jerking the rug out soon enough. The false sense of security they’ve woven. The difference this time is there are more folks aware.

    But, we love our comforts here in the usa, no doubt. New truck is probably smart. But I understand some/all 2014 models will basically be monitored by tptb. Whoever wants to know what we do, where we go, who we associate with, what we buy, how much time we spend where we spend it, etc. F**kers! It reports to big brother. Another leash like your cell phone. *uc*ers!

    It’s different this time around, though. Leaner. Less fat. More heartless. The land is greatly split.

  421. As I popped in to see if there were any latest comments, something on the sidebar caught my eye. It was a link to this 2009 poll entitled “Who Leads the Republicans?”

    I have seen it hundreds of times over there on the right side of the screen, but for some reason tonight it caused a thought to flash in my mind…

    Who leads the Democrats?

    The natural inclination is to answer “Barack Obama.” After all, he is the President of the United States, the position often referred to as the most powerful man in the world.

    But as we see scandal after scandal after scandal be defended with excuse after excuse after excuse, we should be getting a clear picture that Barack Obama is not the leader of the Democratic party. Hell, he doesn’t even seem to be the leader of our country. He obviously has no control over the people in his administration…who seemingly do whatever the hell they want at the mid and lower levels…or so we are told. He doesn’t even have control over his own White House, as we find out that his own aids knew what the IRS was potentially committing a crime and (supposedly) didn’t bother to tell him. Official talking points about terrorism get changed and Obama knows nothing. Reporters get spied on and Obama knows nothing. Gun get run into Mexico as part of US policy and Obama knows nothing.

    So…maybe some of our resident democrats will give us an answer….

    Who leads the Democrats?

    Maybe Rutherford can create that poll and add names like Victoria Nuland and Valerie Jarrett to it. But he can feel free to leave Barack Obama off of it.

    (I think I should have submitted this as a guest blog!)

  422. Tex – if you buy the truck, I have just the one for you. One I once owned, but sold. A Dodge 3/4 ton diesel with the club cab AND the 8′ bed. Camper top, Six-speed tranny and Gear Vendors overdrive. You had 12 gears at your disposal, 245 locomotive-like horsepower, with a torque curve as flat as lori’s chest. You could tow anything and never know it was back there. The ODrive made it barely purr at anything below 90.

    Ah, well…if you buy it, let me know; I’d like to live vicariously once again…

    Me? I’m saving my investments for the Obama apocalypse. Thinking about paying off my house.

    But what I really want is a big-ass dirt bike and that truck once again…

  423. 545 That’s part of the plan, Pfessor. “The Art of War.”

    The storms caused damage around us last evening. An auto dealership building was destroyed, and RVs blew over. House windows blew in. I was taping the storm and a close flash of lightning made my right ear ring. Feeder streaks have hit me before, but my ear has never rung.

    Huck asked a good question. Who does lead the Democrats? Obama is a bystander.

  424. Pfesser, :grin:

    I’m a Ford man when it comes to trucks. You ought to see this green beast in my driveway.

    Speedometer/Odometer doesn’t work anymore, Mick chewed a huge whole in the seat where my butt is parked, and on my last trip down the highway, my finger went right through the cruise control button. That’s no lie. Smashed right through the button.

    The front tires are bald as a baby’s butt, the water pump went out and they wanted $800 to repair it. I said no – I’ll call Votech and let them have it. Then miraculously, it stopped leaking. It’s like this Explorer has a life of its own.

    I haven’t changed the oil in it in five years. Not one lock works on any door and I just keep adding oil to it about every three months. The shocks are so shot, it literally bounces down the highway. :lol:

    The handle broke off the seat the other day, so I sure was glad it was positioned where I was comfortable.

    What’s funny, is I’ve got a reasonably new car in the garage that only goes back and forth to Houston. Otherwise, it never leaves the garage and I’m in the truck 98% of the time.

    I dare anyone to give me shit while I’m driving it. Has never been wrecked.

  425. Rutherford, I know you’re busy. Since this is the gathering place, you ought to take Huck up on his offer. That would be a fun subject to discuss.

    I say the new leader of the Dimocratic Party is Lizzie Warren. And I would explain why.

  426. Tex – I have my dead brother’s 1994 F-250. Where it had been in WV during the winters, the road salt had eaten it alive. The first time I took it to get inspection in VA, the guy told me I would be lucky to get it home without the rear wheels falling off. The salt had eaten through the spring hangers and one was rusted completely through, with the spring hanging out in the breeze.

    I found a burned out F-250 and changed out the bed, stripped and undercoated the frame, etc. and repainted it. It needs a new steering box but otherwise is pretty stable. I put overload springs on it and IT IS A HORSE NOW. Nothing fancy, though.

  427. I’ve been driving a Toyota Tundra for the past 8 years. Best truck I ever have driven. Started on Chevys and then owned a bunch of smaller Toy trucks, both 2WD and 4WD. Had a ’75 HiLux that had over 300K miles. I ended up rebuilding the 20R engine myself. Drove an ’84 Ford for 3 years and then an ’01 F-150 for 5 years, the first new truck for me. But the Tundra beats them all, no question. That’s basically my office.

  428. What a clown…

    WASHINGTON — Senator John McCain’s office is pushing back against reports that while visiting Syria this week he posed in a photo with rebels who kidnapped 11 Lebanese Shi’ite pilgrims.

    The photo, released by McCain’s office, shows McCain with a group of rebels. Among them are two men identified in the Lebanese press as Mohamed Nour and Abu Ibrahim, two of the kidnappers of the group from Lebanon.

    A McCain spokesman said that no one who met with McCain identified themselves by either of those names.

  429. The McCain picture reminds me of Hanoi Jane sitting on the AA gun. Goofy ass.

    Re: Toyotas. That’s for sure going to be my next car. I’d like to find a used Land Cruiser, but they are not out there. Nobody gets rid of them. A friend of mine in NH just junked his LC; it had – get this – 450,000 miles on it. Pisses me off how good the Jap cars are and how shitty ours are. My F-250 only has 100K, and if I hadn’t basically rebuilt it from the ground up, it would be toast. The only reason I did that was it belonged to my brother. Steering is fucked at 100K; my Toyota Corolla has 130K and its steering is as tight as a sixteen year-old bride.

  430. I thought about a Tundra, Poolman. If I were doing what you do for a living, I’d probably bite because I like them. But I need something enclosed for my gigs generally, so that rules a pickup out and I don’t like Toyota’s choices considering the price.

    I’ve owned nothing but Japanese cars since 1984 except one Hyundai for my daughter – the might as well be Japanese. This Acura of my wife’s has proven almost flawless except the damn transmission. It’s now pushing 200K. My only complaint about repair is the few times I’ve had to have them done, they are outrageously expensive. I’ve got a driveway of Honda Accords sitting out there for the kids and other than maintenance, they are almost indestructible.

    But I will tell you that this Ford of mine has been a pretty outstanding vehicle. I’ve had SUVs now for about 25 years, and this has been the best one – certainly better than the first Pathfinder.

    There’s so many memories associated with this thing as my kids learned to drive in it, that it is impossible for me to let go. Had a few minor problems the first couple of years, but nothing really since. I was told before I bought one that the only thing Ford builds well is trucks, and I now believe them.

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