Religion as Salad Bar (Part 3)

I’ve written on this topic before (here and here) but every now and then I’m struck anew by the concept of religion as salad bar. Folks are usually born into a religion. They tend to practice the religion of their parents. There comes a time in every adult’s life that he chooses his religion. Once that choice is made, many if not most people treat their religion like a salad bar, adhering to the beliefs that are convenient for them and discarding the rest.

The selection of Pope Francis I has triggered renewed public debate about the beliefs of the Catholic church. Once again, I can only chuckle at the sturm und drang. On MSNBC a couple of weeks ago we witnessed Jacqueline Nolley Echegaray, a member of the group Catholics for Choice. I don’t even need to hear a word she has to say before starting to laugh. “Catholics for Choice”? Might as well be “Negroes for Lynching” or “Dentists for  Tooth Decay”. What utter nonsense. One of the fundamental precepts of the Catholic church is reverence for human life up to and including non-interference with the process of procreation (i.e. no birth control). Asking the Catholic church to change its view on procreation is like asking a tiger to shed his stripes.

In her TV appearance, Ms. Echegaray famously declared that the Catholic church is not the hierarchy, it is the “people”. I think she is confusing the Catholic church with a democratic republic. I know I’m no expert on organized religion but I’m pretty sure the edicts of the Catholic church are not up for popular vote. Ms. Echegaray goes one step beyond treating religion like a salad bar. She’s demanding that the restaurant owner change the menu for everyone just to suit her preferences.

I offer Ms. Echegaray some free advice. It’s the same advice I gave Patrick Kennedy in an earlier post. If you don’t like the “rules” of the Catholic church, get out and find a religion that better matches your belief system.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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479 thoughts on “Religion as Salad Bar (Part 3)

  1. update on dog-napping:

    The two lard-asses found a note in their mailbox alleging that the 80 year-old woman who owned the house across the street, but lived 40 miles away, had taken the Lab. They had all had trouble over the dog, because she loved him so, and felt sorry for him, and had called the SPCA previously.

    The issue is complicated by the fact that the old lady has Alzheimer’s pretty bad, and seems to be off her meds, her boyfriend (yep) having died last year. Her grandson was living in Granny’s house across the street from the cage by himself, with HIS dog; Grandma came roaring in, in high dudgeon (Ain’t English a wonderful language?!) about 4 days ago, picked a fight with the grandson and threw him out. It turns out that he, in turn, had put the note in the mailbox. (Judas!)

    Now the lardasses are after the old woman to get their dog back. (I hope they don’t, but they will, and will put Lucky back into his mixture of shit and mud.) I told my wife that we, who are talking to both sides at this point, are going to just keep “neutral” for the time being. heh…heh…it’s a long time until the fall rainy season. Yes, Sir, a long time…

  2. But if you want dog stories, I can play that too.

    Last night Trixie and I watched the first ep of “House of Cards” a straight-to-Netflix production starring Kevin Spacey and pretty damn good,. My wife has already watched all 13 eps but is willing to watch them again with me.

    Anyway, the opening scene has a dog hit by a car and Spacey’s character comes upon the dog and says something to the effect of: “There is useful suffering and then there is useless suffering from which we gain nothing.” At that point, he strangles the mortally injured dog to death.

    I’ve only watched one episode, but if you’ve got Netflix and you pay for streaming, then I’d highly recommend tuning this one in. (It’s based on a British series of the same name.)

  3. You are absolutely right Rutherford. You are no expert on organized religion. Maybe after your done going after something that some might call sacred, we can have a conversation about them uppity negros.

    Honestly I am getting sick to death of you hypocrite atheists. We have a belief system same as you. Freedom and free will says I can draw my inspiration from anywhere I chose. You live your lives according to the things you believe in. I do the same. I try to shape the immediate world around me to conform to my beliefs, we all do. I am not asking you to believe as I do. But I find it ironic R that you are all about the rights of women to stick a blender up their crotch to avoid the consequences of poor decision making, and demand equal rights for your race, and equal pay for women…ect..ect, only then to see your bigoted side come out when religion is the topic of the day.

    How would you feel mah negro if my white ass stepped in and told you how to better lead a black man’s life? I would clearly expect to be told to fuck off, as I am tell you now to.

  4. Negroes for Lynching!!! :lol: Actually, wouldn’t dentists be for tooth decay? :smile: Seems a good business model.

    That was pretty funny, Rutherford. After years of ass whupping, I didn’t think you still had it in you.

    You got everything right too! But one.

    Actually, the Catholic Church is the people. It’s not a building or even a hierarchy, but the shepherd’s flock. However, where the heretic Pharisee messed up is she doesn’t get to dictate the rules and make convenient things up along the way. Neither does the hierarchy for that matter.

    Those are rules established long ago and not my mortal man.

  5. Gad…not by mortal man.

    Pfesser, I wish the old woman would have kept the labs, dementia or not. My black labs who lived until they were 13 and died a few years back were finer than any people I’ve ever met (besides my wonderful wifey).

    They deserve better. I’d shoot the lard asses if I were you and give the old woman the dog. :wink:

  6. Religion is a salad bar, Rutherford. Dish it up. Suit your fancy. Feast well. You are what you eat.

    Faith, on the other hand, is a bridge over troubled waters.

  7. I’m banned from communion. In other words, if I was a more important person, I’m excommunicated. It’s a long story but I joined the Freemasons. When I told my priest about it (right after he said he wouldn’t baptize my son because the Godfather skips mass too much and the Godmother is Lutheran), he told me I can never get communion again unless I quit.

    Then I hear about Catholics for Baby Killing and Nancy Pelosi taking Communion…I don’t know, man. WTF.

    I noticed I’m still expected to bat clean up for the parish softball team this year.

  8. A great book for dog people – The Art of Racing in the Rain – by Garth Stein
    “A heart-wrenching but deeply funny and ultimately uplifting story of family, love, loyalty, and hope – a captivating look at the wonders and absurdities of human life…as only a dog could tell it.”

  9. LOL Tex you’re right …. dentists would be for tooth decay. :lol: In fact upon further reflection I think both my analogies slightly missed the mark. “KKK for civil rights” would have been better or perhaps “Vegetarians for Big Macs”. :-)

    In answer to Noah, I think you fear your head would explode if you agreed with me. I didn’t take this opportunity to dump on the Catholic church. On the contrary, I dumped on the hypocrites who want to say they belong to the church but don’t want to follow its edicts. If you are a salad bar Christian, then what can I tell you. It would certainly fit with the rest of your profile. After all, there is much in the Bible about defacing people’s property to make political points, right?

    Oh back to Tex …. DAMN, I was going to put something in the post about religion not being about the building (the physical church) and I do know the notion of wherever you gather in my name, there is love … or there is a church, or some such thing as that. But basically you and I are saying the same thing. The hierarchy promotes age-old church doctrine. That’s their job. They’re not going to change it because Jackie E wants to use an IUD.

  10. I love Catholic theology by the way. I heard a priest the other day explain the miracle of transubstantiation. Catholics believe God exists outside of time. So, to God, Jesus is on the cross right now. Thus, if we are close to God, Jesus is on the cross right now for us too! The passion is going down real time. As Catholics, we meditate on this fact and it makes suffering special to us. The priest said that’s why we have a real looking Jesus on the cross at church.

  11. R – My dentist told me years ago that if sucrose (table sugar) were outlawed, there would never be another cavity filled. The mouth bacteria (strep mutans, I think) converts sucrose to acid that eats the tooth enamel. Nothing else does that. Also sodas are bad because the carbonated water is acid.

    He said the very, very worst was moms who “prop a bottle” for a youngster at bedtime, who then falls asleep with warm liquid in his mouth. I knew some when I was a kid who propped bottles full of soda pop. Just goes to show how ignorance can screw up your life.

  12. I’ve joined a local gym for MMA fighters owned and run by a kid I taught about 8 years ago.

    The way they work out is so different then anything I have done.

    Russian kettle ball (brutal)…..some weird Yoga for fighters…..and circuit training in which I use a sledge hammer on a tire…..I flip an even bigger tire over and over….do stuff with massive ropes.

    Torture.

    I used to think I was in average cardio shape with a lot of strength. I now realize I was even fooling myself when it comes to the strength part. My core was/is? weak. Maybe weaker then a normal pencil neck geek. I shake and tremble and sweat doing fucking yoga.

    That being said, the work out system is starting to pay off. I’m more of a power forward type in stead of a center when I play basketball in the morning. I’m becoming more coordinated. Shedding pounds.

    I thought my knees were shot. But, I swear this stuff I’m doing is fixing my joints.

    I haven’t felt this good since bootcamp.

    I still use traditional weights but I don’t stack a bunch of iron. Just get a quick pump once a week. The other 4 days I’m working out at this gym. We even have a few guys who fight on tv there.

    If I keep it up, I’m thinking about taking up fighting (just the striking stuff).

  13. “The hierarchy promotes age-old church doctrine.”

    That’s the part of the church I respect. Ironically, that’s the part that kicked me out, too.

    On the other hand, I hate when the hierarchy promotes the hierarchy in spite of church doctrine.

  14. I don’t have dog love like you guys do. When my dog growled and showed his teeth to my boy, that dog was worm dirt the next day.

    He knew it to. I told him “Your fucking dead”! and his response was so odd that I swear he knew what I was talking about.

    He had bit him once before hard enough to break skin. His last offense was too much. Deep throaty growl and pure teeth in my two year old’s face.

    Being the sick sociopath that I am, I put visine in my eyes to look like I was weeping. I would have strangled my dog to death had the vet not put him down. “No doc…..I love him but put him down”.

    I pulled out the parking lot without an ounce of guilt. In fact, although my wife cried about it and tried to talk me out of it, within a day or two I could tell she was happy.

  15. A real looking Jesus, eh? That cracked me up. It did always bother me to see that tortured idol of Jesus stuck there on the cross forever abandoned while we prayed to long dead people. Looking back, some of the rituals were a bit creepy too.

    I like the Bill Hooks bit about crosses, though many are probably offended by it.

  16. Jay Leno’s monologue will be an event. According to articles linked to Drudge, he was fired a half hour before this show’s taping.

    Meanwhile, someone put diesal fuel in Obama’s limo, and the motorcade stalled in Israel. Who ever made the mistake may have suffered a fate similar to dead rabbit’s dog.

    Lurker’s suggestion sounds interesting. I will look for it.

  17. Poolman the asshole. You’ve made your theological point about Catholics a long time ago. So, what’s your motive? Just to be a dick?

    I’m a terrible Catholic. Kicked out, as I said. Plus, I lack self control. So, I think in your case, if you referred to Catholicism as creepy idol worship to my face I’d probably crush your eye socket with my boot and ruin my life (and yours).

    Funny how a perpetual internet liar can be so pretentious with his own Christianity. That’s why I’m pretty certain if I end up in hell you will be there right with me. And man am I going to pick on you.

    Look how your own Christianity is working for you. You spread lies and rumors and don’t even realize you are a sinning piece of shit.

    You have just reminded me of why I rarely come here anymore.

    Whats so funny about it, cunt? You said it cracked you up.

    One thing to disagree. But laughing at me about it online?

    Fuck you.

  18. I noticed I’m still expected to bat clean up for the parish softball team this year.

    :lol: I know that post wasn’t supposed to be funny, but that line actually did make me laugh out loud…

  19. Pfesser, speaking of physics:

    I’ve got a question right up an electrical engineer’s alley. I’m confused about something.

    Our door bell (the actual button portion) went dead a few days ago, so I found another one on-line from Lowes in antique brass that looked just like it – not fancy; $10.00 or so.

    Took me longer to get the old one off (I think I stuck it on with the paint still wet last time as patience not my forte) than it did to install the new one.

    Light powered right up so I screwed ‘er in. But I noticed that our melodious chime only played a portion of the melody, or I had to keep the button pushed in for until the melody ended. I took it off and noticed the new one had no diode. Sigh…So I cannibalize the old diode on the old bell and installed the diode to the new bell.

    Everything worked great afterwards – cheap crap or incomplete crap they make anymore still frustrates me.

    Here’s my question. I thought and was taught that diodes are used to keep electrons flowing one way only and capacitors are used to temporarily store electrons. Why was the diode necessary and why is it not a capacitor in use?

  20. “I don’t have dog love like you guys do. When my dog growled and showed his teeth to my boy, that dog was worm dirt the next day.”

    I love my 2 dogs, but yeah…had they ever threatened my kids when they were little, I’d have not thought twice about doing the same thing.

    I recently got them a harness so they don’t choke with a leash on. It’s made going for walks very enjoyable, and beats the hell out of a boring treadmill for getting me off of my growing ass. And they both love it, even though I can only take them 1 at a time.

    I’ll be gone for the next 10 days or so. Headed to my last Model UN conference in NYC and a possible visit to the Turkish consulate there. Could be fun! Take care, everyone.

  21. Yeah rabbit, I’m picking on you. :roll: GMAFB! The ‘real looking Jesus’ comment wasn’t supposed to be funny? Sorry, it was to me. Every Christian sect/cult thinks THEY have the realest looking Jesus. Is it because of the painted on blood? I don’t get it. Jesus spent something like 6 total hours on the cross, totally separate from the Father. Then He said, “It is finished!” Then we have the resurrected and fully alive Jesus. “In this world you will have tribulation. But be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world.” – Jesus. Much mo better symbolism, in my opinion. I don’t pray to idols or dead people, it isn’t biblical to do so.

    Besides, if you want to see a ‘real looking Jesus’, check out this young artist:

    Just because you carry a chip (several for that matter) on your shoulder, doesn’t mean I need to post PC bullshit to appease your sensitivities. It doesn’t matter how I approach, you’re not going to like it because it came from me. I get that. It isn’t really my concern. Let me explain to your denseness that I wasn’t laughing AT you, though your reaction to my post DID cause me to chuckle a bit.

    I was born Catholic, sprinkled – as in baptism, have a pair of godparents, went through catechism, made confirmation – given my new name, and was an altar boy until I was 14. I did benedictions and plenty of masses. My grandmother thought I’d make a good priest. lol. I can still recite ‘traditional’ prayers.

    I know a lot of Catholics that love Jesus and are real Christians. I also know many more that are not, not by any sense of the word though they would check ‘Christian’ next to religious preference. I blame the Catholic Church for ruining many people’s lives over its lifetime by not giving out good information and not meeting their congregations expectations. I have known good priests frustrated with doctrine they had no authority to change, even when a needed change was obvious. I have known people on a path to seminary that were discouraged and disheartened the more they learned. I have seen the Catholic Church suck up a great deal of good people’s money and time over the years, many were my Italian relatives. I think if you were Italian, you were required to be Catholic. My mom caught flak for marrying a Methodist.. My Grandparents were lifetime avid and faithful supporters of St Anne’s, their local church. Their ‘father’ couldn’t even pronounce their names correct when he announced their 65th wedding anniversary at a mass dedicated to them. And it was a very small congregation of maybe sixty folks max at Easter time.

    The Vatican is one of the most powerful and corrupt entities in this world and has operated above any laws for centuries. All that wealth and pomp, secrets and control, yet most of their church body is extremely poor and powerless. It really is a shame.

  22. Tex @ 24. I would guess you or someone before you has replaced an old 24V AC chime with a newer electronic one that is setup to run on DC. The diode lets current continue to run after you let off the button, so the electronic chime can complete the melody. The chime itself then cuts the current at the end of the tune.

  23. I would guess you or someone before you has replaced an old 24V AC chime with a newer electronic one that is setup to run on DC. The diode lets current continue to run after you let off the button, so the electronic chime can complete the melody.

    Good guess. That would be me. :smile: I changed out the chime some years back from some original, spider infested Frankenstein model that must have weighed ten pounds, to the pretty sounding, overpriced, mostly plastic one that had practically zero Fat Granny mass {snicker}. What’s strange is that when I replaced the chime, it wasn’t a kit complete with doorbell – just the melodious chime which I probably used the original doorbell. Now I wonder how the chime worked with the old bell?

    I’m almost ashamed to admit this but I hadn’t thought about the chime itself cutting the current. Once again, I have demonstrated the truth of the axiom ass-u-me about how things are manufactured. If you were my neighbor, I would ask you to draw this out for me step-by-step so I could get a better picture.

    There’s a lot of things I can “make work” in this world, never really understanding how they work. Organic chemistry would make a perfect example.

    Electricity is actually an interesting topic, but I will admit in my two physics courses (one calculus based, one not), I found electro/magnetism the most confusing of the material we covered.

    Really – even more so than the incredibly esoteric stuff like astrophysics. I could get ‘A’s on the tests by regurgitation, decent mathematical skills and a good memory for mathematical formulation, and some reasoning of extremes indicating the impossible, but I never thought I was really grasping the material like engineering would require.

  24. Now that I think about it, I actually took three physics courses, but only one calculus based which was in undergrad. Gawd, that’s embarrassing that I still ain’t grasping it. Almost as embarrassing as getting ‘A’s and not really understanding the material.

    What’s that say about our educational system?

  25. I’ll take a stab, Rutherford, though I’ve never dealt in ETFs. They were becoming popular just about the time I was completing my MBA, so they weren’t covered in near the detail of say mutual fund management. I speak only from what I’ve read.

    Unless your comfortable assuming greater risk realizing ETF funds generally are higher leveraged than a mutual fund and are looking to minimize costs and you want to go down that path, I would recommend just buying blue chip individual stocks paying good dividends.

  26. By the way, I have come to the conclusion mutual funds, while conceptually appealing, are becoming a giant ripoff. Maybe they always were.

    Since I got mostly out of the market, it is now far easier to track the fees associated with these mutual funds I own – and in my opinion, the fees are exorbitant.

    Hence, my recommendation to just buy individual stocks.

  27. Warren Buffet’s advice is not invest in what you don’t understand. We own a few individual stocks, but our nest egg is in land, because we understand it. Surely Rutherford and Tex are more successful investors in paper promises than my wife and I would be.

    Scotland is considering approving Jedi Knights as an official religion.

    Wizbang March 12, 2013: “How the government keeps the poor in their place.” More surprises from Obamacare.

  28. Actually I had a few minutes to google up a couple of things. It appears that the new chime doesn’t have to be powered by an old transformer; the new systems mostly all work that way. Too bad there is no way to draw a schematic – it’s actually pretty cool the way it works.

    You might find this interesting, Tex – I’m rebuilding a 1942 Zenith floor radio.

    I used to listen to it in high school, and when I inherited the thing, I didn’t dare plug it in; I couldn’t believe the shape the electronics had got in. Then I realized it was less than thirty years old the last time I heard it, and now it is 81.

  29. re: calculus and all that stuff. I was so unready for Real Math that I ended up leaving my first major, Mining Engineering, to pick up a biology degree (easy!) so I could go to med school. Just couldn’t hang with the calculus.

    It always bugged me though, and I noticed how much better engineer-doctors seemed to be than biology- or chemistry-doctors. I took up ham radio as a hobby, and learned a lot of electronics, but could never get into the Inner Sanctum of electronics – it was guarded on all sides by the Kerberos called Mathematics.

    Finally I said What the Hell and quit my practice and went back to engineering school at age 42, this time EE. The math was a sonofabitch, but I persevered and now feel very comfortable. Cost me a lot of lost wages, but I got to play with my kids when they were young (summers off!) and fulfill that dream of going back to do the math I had dropped out of. My buddy Joe was pretty much in the same boat, but never went back. He tells me he regrets that now.

    Why don’t you take some math at a local college? Be sure to start with College Algebra and Trig. The problem for me was that my high school math was just abysmal and I never got up to speed in college. The pre-requisites are all-important.

  30. James, It is a great book regardless if you are a dog person.
    The Art of Racing in the Rain – by Garth Stein

    OMG, Rutherford and Tex in agreement regarding the forbidden word “religion”. I agree with DR that there is much in Catholic theology to like as I enjoyed studying Comparison Religions. It’s the hypocrisy that I dislike but you find that concept in most organized religion.

    Noah, it might behoove you to re read Rutherford’s post as the comparison to “a salad bar” was pertinent and to the point.

    DR that yoga is fixing your joints because it strengths your core muscles and eliminates the stress on the skeletal structure. Impressive that you are doing all that workout.

  31. Why don’t you take some math at a local college? Be sure to start with College Algebra and Trig. The problem for me was that my high school math was just abysmal and I never got up to speed in college. The pre-requisites are all-important.

    Actually Pfesser, math was pretty much my only thing besides athletics, and most certainly the only class I excelled through grammar school (thank you Mr. Kubick), though I stopped after the first calculus and linear algebra level in college because it got to the point the core curriculum was overwhelming and the higher math (Diff E, Calc 2) not required to graduate. Comp sci classes are notorious for taking more time than they deserve – or at least they used to be. And Cobol was a punch card nightmare. I carried mine in a shoe box. Looking back, I was an unprepared idiot that had no idea what he wanted to be. Still don’t. Completely undisciplined. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. I should have joined the military so someone could kick me in the ass so I would be forced to think and grow up.

    One thing programming which I used to do every work day for years keeps you fresh – in essence, you’re using basic algebra in virtually every mathematical equation. That part is second nature now as is logarithmics for some reason.

    Now, I will admit that I have forgotten much of what I used to know well as I recently learned trying to determine angles, then cut picture frames. Dug out a book and took a refresher for an afternoon. I still contend trigonometry is the most useful mathematics (after the four basics) I ever took.

    Calculus did help me in physics and chemistry to get through the MCAT but I wish I remembered more of it.

    ———

    Boring story but worth the tell…bet you can appreciate some of this.

    I was introduced to trigonometry and binary mathematics in the 3rd and 4th grade by the principal of my public school, who would come in and teach the math courses himself. Old black horn-rimmed glasses, swung the meanest paddle this side of the Mississippi, press suit and then tie, and scared the hell out of me. I had complete respect for his authority – perhaps the only time in my entire life some mortal human commanded my entire respect and attention. We were doing more complex math in grade school by the end of 4th grade than I bet 98% of public high schools teach the average high school student these days

    And here’s the kicker – virtually everyone of us got it. That’s when I learned a valuable lesson that most parents apparently have never learned or forgotten – children rise to meet their expectations given the right environment and a chance.

    To be frank, my education K-12 for all practical purposes stopped in about the 5th grade – but that foundation provided enough I graduated near the top of my class in college after my mom being told I wasn’t college material. :lol: That demonstrate what an absolute screw up and worthless turd I was? Home life was the pits and I rebelled. But that is what a good foundational teacher can do for people. And Mr. Kubick was a no nonsense, demanding old-school cuss that expected the best of all of us. The fools retired the old man because some bozo parents complained he was too mean and too demanding for their little wall flowers. I didn’t know that until I was an adult. I figured Mr. Kubick had just retired.

    I went back to college while working full time in the mid 90s to take some basic courses in relational database methodology, OOC and the like. And it was so much easier than Fortran, PL1 and Assembler, I could have added a math course with no problem. But the weeks were already full, the yard needed mowed, I had young kids, and after obtaining a 60 hour required MBA while working full-time over five years, I simply got tired of all work and no play. Plus my wife was growing frustrated with my absence. I think I retired with 300 college hours completed and one semester of med school. And now I walk my dog and clean up his messes for a living. Boy, did I turn down the wrong path somewhere. And the paradox – I didn’t like school but I am the curious type.

    The only thing I really got from med school besides medicine is in trouble and some of these doctors aren’t worth a shit, was determining for myself I am without doubt ADHD. Hell, they wanted me to take Adderal for med school after I bombed a gross anatomy test registering in at the absolute bottom of the class on exam (the scores were posted without name). :twisted: Until that moment, I was doing fine but they called me in. I told them, “I thought 53 was pretty damn good considering I took your test absolutely cold without looking at a note or attending your class. I got a hundred on your stinking biochemistry exam. What’s the problem?” They didn’t find any humor in it.

    ——–

    The math isn’t what is confusing me with respect to electricity and magneticism – I think it is the tracing electron flow and charge. My warped mind wants electrons to have a positive charge. Everything seemed to be ass backward from the way my mind wanted to comprehend electrostatic charges. Kind of like oxidation and reduction did for a time.

    Somethings apparently never change.

  32. I agree with DR that there is much in Catholic theology to like as I enjoyed studying Comparison Religions. It’s the hypocrisy that I dislike but you find that concept in most organized religion.

    The problem with studying Comparative Religion is that studying it is not living it. The value of “religion” is not based on a question that academia can answer and can’t easily measure.

    As far as the hypocrisy, sure. Aren’t we all? I am guilty as charged. I can be such a poor representative of Christianity, it should shame me. And on reflection, sometimes it does. There’s righteous anger and then there’s me. :smile: Christ was instructive – He wasn’t vicious. That’s a personal weakness of mine.

    Here’s what my faith does for me that you wouldn’t know or see.

    It forces me to go against my nature and when nobody is looking, do the right thing anyway when I want to do just the opposite. It changes the way I think – just like Calculus and Physics changed the way I think about the natural world. And more than anything, my faith provides me hope. I’ve seen a lot more yesterdays than I will tomorrows. I would find that a terrifying thought if I really believed that this is all there is. I’ve challenged my faith and it’s met every challenge. And it humbles me when I am thinking straight. I bet you find that hard to believe, don’t you? :smile:

    I can only speak in defense of my own faith Raji, but once again, the Ghandi argument is also based on a false premise and it too hypocritical and a cop out. I love the law and what it can do – I just don’t like following it but wish everyone else would.

    As I have said here before, it is not difficult to be like Christ; it is impossible to be like Christ. And that is the point.

    If you don’t believe Christ is the messiah, then you can’t call Christ a good man. Good men don’t make the kind of radical claims Christ did. As C.S. Lewis correctly said, either Jesus is the messiah or Jesus is a crazed lunatic with some good suggestions.

  33. Tex – If you can get out of your head that electricity is electron (-) flow (although it is) and embrace “conventional current” (everything goes from + to -), it will make your life so much easier. Took me forever to really believe it didn’t make any difference. All the schematics read correctly, all the arrows on transistors show the direction of current flow, diodes work the right way (current goes with the arrow).

    Story goes (don’t know if this is true) that there was controversy about which way current goes. Somebody said, let’s ask Ben Franklin. He said, well, obviously everything in nature goes from where there is more of it to where there is less of it. So current goes from + to -.

    Unfortunately he was wrong. About 95+ percent of current is negative charges going one way, the rest is positive charges going the other.

    So it sounds like you are in the right church, just the wrong pew. LOL.

    BTW, I just got a text from Lardass Junior. They got the dog back from the crazy old lady, and he’s back in his shit/mud mixture up to his elbows —– if a dog has elbows, that is…

  34. Embracing my inner geek here, did you know that the speed of electron flow in a conductor is NOT the speed of light, as most people think. It’s actually about a mm/sec.

    So how does electricity work so fast? Think of each electron as influencing the next one down the line, so that they all move together, like a bicycle chain. The individual chain links go very slowly, but the microsecond you step on the pedal, the force is carried all down the chain to the rear wheel sprocket at hundreds of meters per second, and the wheel begins to move. Multiply that to near light speed and you have your answer for electricity.

  35. Heck PFesser, I’m still trying to grasp the sine wave of the AC voltage. The entire concept of electricity and the supporting grid (that which we all take for granted and practically can’t live without) still amazes me. I kept wondering why my voltage meter wasn’t bouncing up and down. :twisted:

    One of the coolest things I learned in physics is what a combination of the battery and coil in a car really does. Then everything made a whole lot more sense about what sparks a two ton bullet. Man, there were some smart people who proceeded us.

    ———

    I wonder if Rutherford and his supporting cast of Bongo bootlickers that frequent here can wrap around what an abysmal failure this clown for President really is:

    U.S is now less popular in the region than at the end of the George W. Bush administration.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/03/20/obamas-middle-east-policy-in-tatters-column/2004343/

    Do you stooges and rubes even recognize failure? It’s no wonder you goons worship at the altar of Styrofoam columns and fawn over the profundity of ‘Yes We Can!!!!!’

    Yes, I am indeed laughing at you.

  36. Water reacts a lot like electricity. It is pretty cool how plumbing and electrical wiring share similar properties and understanding one greatly helps one understand the other. Just don’t mix em!

  37. I still remember vividly when my oldest brother explained voltage and current to me in terms of water pressure and flow. I got it instantly. I taught physics to X-ray techs and always used that analogy. Ditto a car transmission (torque versus speed) as an analogy for the electrical transformer. I agree with poolman; the water analogy is near-perfect.

  38. Ragi and Lurker. I have been reading some of the book. Enzo is more introspective than any dog I have known, and the story line is contrived, but I like “The art of racing in the rain.”

    Dogs and humans have been partners for thousands of years. Who civilized whom is debatable.

    We learned a little hydrauligy in our flood. The Missouri River backed water into the drainage ditch which flows through our farm. The ditch was 3/4 bank full, and five inches of rain fell about 90 miles north of us.

    We were warned of rising water, but nothing happened. The higher water near us could not be forced down stream because the force of Missouri River water prevented any down stream movement. the extra rain water stopped when it reached the higher water near us. Our high water acted as a surrigate dam.

    The flow of electrons reminds me of the flow of weapons in North America. Indians who had never seen Europeans used guns because the trade was much faster than European migration.

    A little dig at Rutherford over Muffy’s quote is appropriate after Tex’s comment. Sarah Palin would have been a better president than Obama, and unlike Obama, she loves her country. Obama loves an alien version of our nation.

  39. Speaking of the comparison of water flowing to electricity, laminar flow was another concept that could get pretty filthy. Like I said, some really smart folk proceeded me.

    One of the more useful formulations I learned in physics that I wished I had known as a young man:

    Volts x Amps = Watts; a concept any handy man probably knows and I had to take a physics course to learn. :roll: My dad taught me nada. Comes in real handy knowing that little equation around the house.

    Last weekend, I moved my compressor into our bedroom to fix some crown molding and turned her on while my daughter decided to plug in the hair dryer in the adjacent bathroom.

    Thank God for circuit breakers or my house would have burned down long ago.

  40. “If you don’t believe Christ is the messiah, then you can’t call Christ a good man. Good men don’t make the kind of radical claims Christ did. As C.S. Lewis correctly said, either Jesus is the messiah or Jesus is a crazed lunatic with some good suggestions.”

    Atheist/Agnostic salad bar.

  41. foolman…I didn’t mean real as in the historical Jesus. I meant “realism” as an art form. Catholics are pretty much the only ones that depict the crucifixion at church with realism. The priest I spoke of gave a reason why.

    I understand perfectly that many don’t buy the theological position.

    Considering the scum bag you are coupled with your snark in that comment equals depraved fantasy of crushing your orbital bone.

  42. equals depraved fantasy of crushing your orbital bone.

    :lol: Like my harpoon cruise missile dream that one night. I still laugh about my imagined Poolman look before the ‘poon hit the rusted car.

    ———

    The “creation” of time and space is an interesting concept, Rabbit. If you believe in an Almighty Creator like I do, think of the consequences. And here’s where I think so many of these secularists fall so short and demonstrate their arrogance by believing given enough time, all wisdom is attainable.

    By definition, if God created space and time like Christians believe, then God is not limited by space and time. So what are the ramifications if true?

    God can be all places and all times – past, present and future with no beginning and no end.

    As mere humans, we can’t even begin to fathom that.

  43. James if you truly believe Palin would have been a better POTUS than Obama then you have really crossed into the twilight zone and not even Rod Serling could bring you back.

  44. Rutherford, I am poking at you for fun the same as I do with my wife and kids. Luckily you are in no position to throw objects at me. Waving Sarah in your face is like irritating a bull and just as enjoyable.

    Muffy quoted you on March 18,2013 at 2:25pm “Not only do I believe that Palin is Trig’s grandma, but I also believe Willow (the middle daughter) is the mother. Being such a young mother would account for Palin’s incredible effort to pull off this hoax.”

    And you think I have moved to the Twilight Zone? You and Rod Serling must do lunch together.How is the old guy?

  45. Looks like March madness beat out Big Bang. Damn jocks. Always thumping the geeks. It’s perpetual high school.

  46. Never had a locker slammed in my face. High school I hung with the longhairs. The smoking crowd. The jocks used to buy dope from us. We had our geeks, but I wasn’t one. Scariest school I attended was junior high in El Paso. Gang fights everyday, almost completely by racial divisions. Blacks, Whites, and Mexicans. I almost got my ass kicked once when I went into the wrong men’s room. I got into one fight after school. I can’t even remember why. No one carried guns back then, unlike today. Switchblades and chains. It was a mean place to be a teenager.

    So rabbit, you’re going to bat for the parish, but otherwise you’re persona non grata? You like abuse, don’t you? You’ll probably kick it in high to really show them. Am I right? Excommunicate me, will ya?

    I get the realism in the art from the Catholics. Look how many cathedrals are filled with priceless art and artifacts. Some pretty awesome works, especially during the Renaissance. Many talented people poured their hearts and lives and fortunes into the Catholic church over the years. They have so much and it’s all so very ornate. If it wasn’t for the Catholic church, we would not have many of the classic architecture and art that we do have. Some masses rival the ceremonies of royalty.

  47. 40 minutes later…

    Actually, it was pretty good. Now I know for sure Catholics are time travelers. lol. There were the usual doctrinal points I won’t break down, but over all, quite sound.

  48. Anybody think Larry the Cable guy is funny? I do. I guess he’s got my sense of humor, or I’ve got his.

    Larry said he walked into a Pet Smart and saw a “Dog Water Purifying Machine.”

    So Larry gets the sales rep and asks, “What does this contraption do?”

    “It purifies your beloved dog’s water…”

    “Well, he just ate a turd 10 minutes ago…isn’t that kinda like wiping yourself before you take a crap?”
    :lol:

    I’ve got to come up with some overpriced mechanism that preys on lib’s pet emotions. I might make a fortune.

  49. Ahhhhh James, I missed Muffy’s gem from the prior thread.

    1. I stand by my theory. The kid may not be Willow’s but she sure ain’t Sarah’s. To paraphrase CS Lewis: Either you believe Sarah did not give birth to Trig OR you believe Sarah to be a dangerously negligent mother who would fly from TX to Alaska already in labor with a very high risk pregnancy. Pick your poison.

    2. I am surprised by Muffy’s dishonesty but then, out of context quotes are the conservative’s stock-in-trade. . At least she provided a link to Best of the Blogs so that her one-sided account could be seen by all. She didn’t bother to quote:

    Be that as it may, I think pursuing this story is as futile as the GOP nutjobs trying to prove that Obama is not an American citizen. While one story (Palin) may be true, and the other (Obama) may be false both pursuits come off as fringe efforts.

    Ah yes, all doubt has been removed that Muffy is Tex in drag. Actually, that’s a bit too cruel. I’m guessing Muffy is a whole lot easier on the eyes than Tex would be in drag. ;-)

  50. I’m waiting to hear the negative review of Obama’s Israel speech today. Anyone? Bueller ….. Bueller?

    I only heard bits and pieces but I got a kick out of his talking to the Israeli people like he was their President. Wonder what Bibi must have been thinking. :lol:

  51. Come on, Rutherford. Let’s face it bud. You’ve got a real disdain for Sarah Palin as I do Michelle Antoinette. We both think the other is stupid, a self-serving bitch, phony spokesperson, and an easy target. So be it.

    But there is one difference. I haven’t brought First Lady Patrick Ewing’s kids into it. You have and you did it about a little boy that suffers from a horrible deformity. It’s the lowest of the low and you should be ashamed of it. But like a coward, you can’t bring yourself to admit you stepped on your teenie peenie trying to be cute. The Trig thing was the lowest of your many low moments.

    Muffy is more clever and clearly feminine snarky to be me. It’s God’s gift to smart women, something you’re probably unfamiliar. :wink:

  52. I’m just wondering if the Feckless Won got his limousine fixed that died in transit. :lol: They towed that clunker in for repair and dug up Obama’s tree for pests. And you think there’s no God watching over the Jews, do you Rutherford? The toy savior of the world has once again been exposed as comic fodder.

    I read a very legitimate question tonight. One I’ve never heard an Israeli critic like you answer. Perhaps you’d like to take a stab?

    Does it ever occur to our “superior” intellects like Obama how you negotiate with a party that denies your right to exist?

  53. For a window into what we can expect here at the hands of Obama and the Dems. For the record, while the black-Andrew Sullivan stirs up his Trig-truther conspiracies in a mocking effort at Palin, he really fails to again identify a key point:

    How has Obama been better than what we could have expect from Palin?

    When you answer this–if you answer this–can you actually use facts instead of cooked up talking points like, “brought us back from the brink of a depression.” If you believe that, which only an ignorant dumbass would, then it should not be difficult for the Harvard grad to support his position with facts, etc.

    This is but one example of how I’d really like to hear how we are better off now. Foreign policy, Economics, Governance, Domestic Policy–I’d really like to see from a true believer a facts-based-assessment on how we’re really better off.

    In the mean time, our future:

    As Europe wakes up to what could be a tumultuous day, Handelsblatt reports that the ECB has decided that, due to the “great danger” of a bank run once they reopen next week, it will enforce capital controls independently of Cypriot (elected) officials. With perhaps a nod towards negotiating some ELA funding for Cypriot banks next week (if the government accepts this ECB-enforced ‘program’), the rather stunning restrictions on people’s private property include:

    –Freezing Savings – no time-frame (it’s not your money anymore)
    –Make bank transfers dependent on Central Bank approval (a money tzar?)
    –Lower ATM withdrawal limits (spend it how we say?)

    The capital controls will be designed “so that citizens have access to sufficient cash to go about their lives.”

  54. Rutherford, arguing hypotheticals is pointless and fun. Obama and his Democratic allies have a long record. We are living through their policies.

    Sarah Palin has a shorter history as a chief executive, but one can extrapolate to President Palin based on her past. It would include a comparison of both philosophies, their records as chief executives, and more importantly the people they would likely appoint. For example, I don’t believe Palin would appoint a racist like Eric Holder or an admitted communist like Van Jones who later resigned.,.

    Democrats have already demonstrated how they want to hurt this country through the sequester and the earlier slow bleed. They have admitted it. I’ve not read anything comparable from Palin or her allies.

    You could do better than consign me to the Twilight Zone or Muffy to the fat grannies. I do agree that she is probably hot. She certainly has a hot mind. All you are doing is cast diversions to hide my point. You cannot successfully prove I am wrong, even hypothetically, so you retreat into an old debate trick.

    My wife drove 200 miles to help her father persuade her reluctant mother to register for Social Security. The next morning, she cultivated soy beans for five hours before the doctors appointment which put her in the hospital for toxemia. Tacitus described how a Sami mother made a fur hammock in her tent, gave birth, put the baby in the hammock and left to help her husband hunt reindeer. Pioneer women kept diaries which described hard work followed by after thoughts like “had baby.”

    I don’t believe Palin or her baby were in much danger, even if she was in labor on a plane. A staff of doctors was likely looking after her.

    Thanks to Huck, I watched some of the” Vikings” on Hulu .Palin is more Viking like than women you probably know, and that includes Michele Obama. My wife, through heritage and temprament is close to the stereotype, and maybe Muffy is too.

    I could as easily counter your theories with Bill Ayres. He ghost wrote at least one of Obama’s books. I could say that, but “what at this point difference does it make?” in a comparative discussion of politicians’ policies?

  55. 63 “I’m waiting for a negative review of President Obama’s Israeli speech today… I got a kick of his talking to the Israeli people as if he was their president.”

    That is a good idea. Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper could tour the United States and campaign for the Keystone pipe line. Vladimire Putin could do the same to persuade our people to scrap our eastern European missile defense project. Maybe Obama has started a new trend.

    One negative besides the tree incident is Obama’s comparing Israel and Palestine with Canada and the United States. We live only about twelve hours south of the border, so those holes must be missile craters in our field.

    Giving a speech in front of a poster of Yasser Arafat was also in bad taste. I can imagine Obama humming “Yasser, that’s my baby…”

    Obama may have won a few Israelis, but Palestinians were unimpressed. As the Telegraph reported, one of the protesters said “when he got the presidency. he said he would do lots for Palestine, but he did nothing. Now Palestine is angry as you can see. Most Palestinians hate Obama–he will only make more problems for us.”

    Hussan Mousa, who’s export business had to close during Obama’s visit said “Its crazy this visit. All our businesses shut down for a whole day and for what? He may be the head of the most important country in the world, but he is doing nothing for us as Palestinians. He is a man who offered a lot but has delivered nothing.”

    Surely, the early morning rocket fire which violated a November cease fire was a coincidence.

    Those people know the President better than many who voted for him. What would Sarah have done?

    If Barry’s “heck of a job” dismays you, cheer up with Sexy beach dancers flash mob in Israel SEE MY OTHER VIDEOS on YouTube video. Fun with beach balls and ABBA should brighten your day and help you forget Sarah.

  56. How has Obama been better than what we could have expect from Palin?

    I wanted to ask Rutherford that too Gorilla.

    But after now almost five years of MSNBC responses, I realized I could substitute the words Porky Pig, Hugo Chavez, dildo, or mannequin in place of the word Palin in that specific question, and it would still be equally as difficult for Rutherford to respond.

    But…but…but President Choom got the Lily Ledbetter Act passed.

  57. James – nobody who is talking knows what actually happened with Palin’s “birth,” but the idea of a woman delivering her 5th child (5th!!!) having her water break, then give an hour speech, then go to the airport and go thru security (at least 1-1/2 hours) fly from Texas to Seattle (about 3-1/2 hrs) then change planes – at least 45 mins – then fly from Seattle to Anchorage (another 3-1/2 – 4 hrs, all the time never wetting the seat or giving any hint to any flight attendent that she was in labor – then leaving the only city in Alaska with high-risk obstetrics available and driving an hour in the middle of the night in Alaska – in April – to have a family practitioner deliver a known Downs baby in a rural hospital. Sorry, I was born at night, but not LAST night.

    The question is not whether the whole thing is bogus – it is. Every doctor who followed the story laughed at it, and the OBs I know all thought it was a running joke.

    The question is why would they do that? Street cred with the Fetus People? (I knew I had a Down’s baby and CHOSE to keep it!)??? That translates into votes, by the way… Really, only those close to her know the reason, and really the rest of us don’t care any more.

    The other question is how can such a hoax be perpetrated at the very highest levels of government by someone who could easily become the president, during a presidential campaign.

    It’s over, and she likely got away with it. Fortunately her credibility as a candidate is dead too, so I guess it really doesn’t matter.

  58. Funny you should mention that….

    War On Women: 70% Of Obama’s Highest-Paid Staffers Are Men…

    Seventy-percent of the White House staffers who made the top annual salary of $172,200 in 2012 were men and 30 percent were women, according to a White House report on staff compensation.

    In addition, men on the White House staff are paid, on average, $86,260.89 and women are paid, on average, $76,162.65. That means the average man on the White House staff is paid about $10,098–about 13 percent–more than the average woman.

    In Obama’s White House, women on average earn only 88.3 percent of what the men earn.

    Those numbers conflict with the pay-equity philosophy espoused by the president and his administration.

  59. Pfesser, that’s a dead end at 74. We’ve already been on that stretch of road, remember? Water under the bridge, as they say. I find logic can no longer penetrate the American mind. It baffles. Even atheists exhibit unwielding faith for fantasy in the face of fact.

  60. To raise awareness among the general public about the global clean water crisis, the artist Belo created an image composed of 66,000 cups of colored rainwater simulating levels of impurities found in water all over the planet. This major work of 3,600 square feet, representing a fetus in the maternal womb, emphasizes the necessity of water, even before birth, for each living person.

  61. Poolman, your predictable Israeli Jooo hatred notwithstanding, you’re neither edgy, nor clever, nor cool. Your picture should reside on every aromatic urinal mat.

    Truthfully considering the accomplish of some of these brilliant Israeli Jews who benefit us all, you have yet to reach the amoebic scale. The Poolman family: amino acids floating in the pond of evolutionary goo.

    You and your equally mindless spouse are two of the millions of useless turds in the punchbowl of government dependents. Only most of the dependents are at least intelligent enough to not bite the very hand that feeds them.

    Why you would be now be a vocal critic of the most philanthropic President of other people’s money in history, pandering for the only thing you have of value which would be your vote, escapes me. You, far more so than Rutherford and this Lurker stooge, should be picking cotton at Obama’s plantation.

    The rest of us quietly walk around stench of your meaningless existence generally without being rude (‘cept me :twisted: ), hoping you’ll fade away to the burial of the unmarked grave which will be our last payment to your familial dependency.

    It will take a visible, true miracle like the parting of the Red Sea for your own children to have not been adversely impacted by your ‘astute’ guidance.

  62. Our daughter thought she had a Downs baby and she chose to keep it.Other women do too. The street cred argument is bogus.

    I know you and Rutherford share an animus against Palin, but think for awhile. Why after all of this time has someone not publicized such a hoax? Is it any different than some of the 911 Truthers’ charging that Bush-Cheney planed or at least knew about the attacks before they happened? People talk. We would have heard something by now. You can speculate all you want, but until you give me proof, I reject your train of thought.

    The baby is alive, or isn’t it? Maybe the child died, and the Palins bought a stand in.

    Every doctor who believed the story was bogus are brothers and sisters of the doctors who told our daughter she had a 98% chance of delivering a Downs syndrome baby. The doctor who advised me to apply for a disability because of my right hand after my separation from the Air Force was certain that arthritis would force me to become left handed. I have no arthritis. Two other doctors told me to settle my affairs in 1992, Well here I am!

    Personal experience leads me to distrust the conclusions of authority figures be they meteorolgists or politicians, though we can’t live without them.

    The simplest explaination us usually the truth. In this case, I will believe differently after sworn afidavits emerge.

  63. Damn Tex, I might have to scratch you off my Christmas card list after I just convinced the wife to ink you in.

  64. >blockquote>The simplest explaination us usually the truth.

    Occam’s razor. Exactly. Too bad we often don’t adhere to that principle.

  65. Damn Tex, I might have to scratch you off my Christmas card list after I just convinced the wife to ink you in.

    :smile:

    Oh shoot. That was my life’s ambition too: to obtain Poolman Party status. I hear your collard turd and pork rind buffets are something of neighborhood legend.

    Tell Mrs. Fred Flintstone to address my card with Allahu Akbar. Anything else from you would be a travesty.

  66. James – That is the official story – from the horse’s mouth herself – not mine or anybody else’s. Medically the story doesn’t make sense, and would be in the <1/2% chance of happening category, and from the standpoint of, "would a sensible woman do such a thing," the answer is also unequivocally no. She was on her 5th child; she would know that much of the time 5th kids just fall out. Leave a large Texas city with best-in-the-world medicine, to delay medical care while you fly hours and hours, at 30,000', where no medical care is available? Sorry. Not credible.

    Is there a baby? Of course there is. Whose is it? Who knows? (and at this point, who cares?)

    The only thing I feel certain of is that it didn't happen the way THEY said. Some day somebody will come forward and then it will all make sense. That may be a while.

  67. Huff Post, not a conservative source, quoted Palin’s released 24,000 pages of e mails. “E mails show that Palin remained engaged as governor in the issues of her day job, pushing for a natural gas pipeline, preparing speeches for civic groups, coordinating with the state’s chief lobbyist in Washington DC, and even helping arrange for a reception for football players at the governor’s mansion.”

    She worked very hard and was image conscious.

    “The documents show Palin becoming increasingly distracted by the external issues tied to her new found celebrity.”

    Fox News: “Palin’s frustration over the ethics complaints…These are things that waste my time and money and the state’s time and money.” After more complaints, she wrote “Unflippinbelievable…I’m sending this because you can relate to the bull crap continuation of the hell these people put my family through” Later that day, she wrote to her husband “I can’t take it any more.”

    Only one of the complaints cost the family over $35,000 in legal fees. Multiply that by fourteen or whatever the number of complaints was. Certainly some of the others cost the family time and money. They also cost Alaska money.

    “Newsmax June 8, 2009: “Gov. Sarah Palin Quietly Cleared of All Ethics Charges” Sarah Palin became the target of 14 complaints after being named Sen John McCain’s running mate. Palin’s attorney said “It is regrettable that the ethics process has been diverted for partisan purposes by some, but it is also commendable that the board remains focused on the law.”

    “Mrs. Palin said defending herself against the complaints has cost more than $500,000 and she set up a legal defense fund to cover the costs. The Alaska board spent close to a third of a million dollars to investigate the complaints.

    Isn’t it odd that the complaints flooded the market after Sarah Palin became a famous candidate and that they faded after she resigned? Why do you suppose that is? Could it be that her opponents were launching a concerted attempt to destroy Palin?

    Do you remember the closing years of the Cold War?: Insurrections sprang in Africa and Central America. Liberals said they were independent freedom movements against colonial and class exploitation. Do you also remember they evaporated after the Soviet Union fell just as Palin’s complaints did after she resigned?

    Why do you suppose that is? I also can offer conspiracy theories as Pfessor and Rutherford did. I believe with more evidence than they have that Sarah Palin was the victim of a concerted effort to destroy her.

    I was vaguely in her position once. I was used as bait to catch some Air Force bad men. I became a pariah and feared for my life.I was beseiged from all sides and felt that even God had forsaken me.

    In a moment of cowardice, I tried to rescind the complaint I had signed, but the officers lied and said nothing would happen to me. I believe Palin also accepted. cowardice when she resigned. One difference was that I was alone and was nearly killed. Palin was not alone. Her problems affected her family, and threatened their family nest egg.

    We all have breaking points. I stepped onto mine and retreated, Palin crossed the line. Obama wouldn’t have quit. His thugs would have broken some knees and released pictures of sordid affairs. Whatever it took. Choom boy is from Chicago, and learned his lessons well.

  68. Pfessor, when someone produces the evidence, i will say I am wrong. Until then, I accept Occam’s razor.

    Thanks everyone for the discussion. It was an enjoyable break from my income taxes which I must finish before I let myself ski today,.

  69. “Pfessor, when someone produces the evidence, i will say I am wrong. Until then, I accept Occam’s razor”

    Not to beat a dead horse, but I’ll make this my final. There is no evidence to produce. The evidence is the story as told by Palin, herself. It either makes sense or it is nonsense. It is nonsense.

    Yes, I’m aware that a lot of people don’t like Palin and would love to “get her.” That’s not the point; you’re making it too complicated.

    My point is that HER story – from her, by her, about her – does not make the slightest bit of sense. Nothing more; has nothing to do with “getting” her, or people’s ulterior motives, nothing.

    The story SHE told. Medically it is ludicrous; from a human behavior standpoint, nobody would do what she says she did. It wouldn’t make any sense if you told it, I told it, or my wife told it. It’s BS. We won’t know for a long time what happened, but I’m sure it will all make sense then.

  70. The story SHE told. Medically it is ludicrous; from a human behavior standpoint, nobody would do what she says she did. It wouldn’t make any sense if you told it, I told it, or my wife told it. It’s BS. We won’t know for a long time what happened, but I’m sure it will all make sense then.

    Exactly. That’s the basic logic I yearn for. Now let’s apply the same condition to another fantastical tale. Humor me, I have to get this out before getting out of the office to check my construction jobs.

    The story SHE THEY told. Medically Physically it is ludicrous; from a human behavior natural law standpoint, nobody no structures would do what she says she they said trhey did. It wouldn’t make any sense if you told it, I told it, or my wife told it. It’s BS. We won’t know for a long time what happened, but I’m sure it will all make sense then.

  71. I thought about suggesting that James leave old threads to die, but I can’t be held entirely responsible for Rutherford always always always partaking of the low hanging fruit. He simply can’t reach the rest.

    On the last thread Rutherford decides he will make up a statistic to counter a lie. I don’t know maybe he learned that technique in the class he took on arguing effectively, but it struck me as ironic. Like Harry Reed grumbling about a right-wing activist starting rumors about the president’s excesses. R then goes on to mention me by name as one who eats that shit up “like a pig in slop.” Can’t imagine why I would react to the simile. Especially when all I had to do was remind myself that Rutherford is one of the more passive-aggressive males I’ve run across on land or online.

    RuPaulford mentions watching MSNBC a lot. HuffPo recently calculated that fully 85% of MSNBC programming is opinion (out-regurgitating both CNN and Fox News by a wide margin.) How much of that 85% is opinion favorable to Obama, do you suppose? The long and short of it is that Rutherford talks with his mouth full when he speaks of pigs in slop.

    And the Fat Granny thing – there was no combing necessary. Once you add “Rutherford” to the search terms on attacks on Palin and her family, you really need more of a thresher than a comb to separate the slimy from the just plain ugly. I selected that one because it came up as one of the top choices and it specifically wasn’t about you attacking Palin for shooting Gabby Giffords in the head. Lest we think you got carried away by your searing heartache and righteous anger over the tragedy.

    On the other hand, I was amused to see Twatwaffle managing to state that he stands by his theory in the same sentence where he walks fully 50% of it back. :lol:

    PS…R, your attempt to outwit CS Lewis gets an F too. I knew you wouldn’t tackle it, but at least you think you did.

  72. “2. I am surprised by Muffy’s dishonesty but then, out of context quotes are the conservative’s stock-in-trade. At least she provided a link to Best of the Blogs so that her one-sided account could be seen by all. She didn’t bother to quote:

    “Be that as it may, I think pursuing this story is as futile as the GOP nutjobs trying to prove that Obama is not an American citizen. While one story (Palin) may be true, and the other (Obama) may be false both pursuits come off as fringe efforts.”

    Posting a direct link to the context is designed to lead people to the context, RuPaul. The context which does nothing for your opinion other than to call out the only support you have for it over here as fringe.

  73. Muffy,

    I’m still trying to determine your dishonesty. Maybe you can you fill me on how you were dishonest by using the man’s direct quote? The progressive mind is beyond my compression.

    These progressives use the same defense every time when busted. They either (1) Seek out something else bad about ‘B’ to justify their ‘A’ as no worse as if somehow that justifies the vileness or perversion

    or

    (2) Try to explain it away by referencing back to something they said that wasn’t quite as vile about similar material. :neutral:

  74. Pfessor says there is no evidence to report, but there is. If the Palins lied about the baby experience, a third party could confirm or deny it. I haven’t heard of any. Pfessor thinks the story is nonsense, but his view doesn’t make it so. Exceptions don’t fit the general scenario.

    Not long ago, scientists believed our mixing genes with Neanderthals was nonsense. Anyone suggesting the Clovis point wasn’t the oldest North American tool was also spouting nonsense.

    I threw Sarah Palin out because I was bored. It happened just as Tex described. No one could defend Obama so they attacked Palin.

    We win.

  75. Rutherford I have trooped through this post a number of times nice it was posted and have debated saying anything. I’m having a hard time with it since the post series is not very interesting,primarily because I don’t understand why you as an atheist bother.

    Anyway in the thread you did throw down one gauntlet I totally have to pick up and smack the shit out of you with.
    First catch or read the entire speech before you look for righties to pounce on it like it is some kind of red meat serving of yumminess for crying out loud. The speech is extremely pro Israel and given the ending of the trip you shouldn’t be such a smirking jerk. The ending. I speak of is the reconciliation between Turkey and Israel. Now before anyone thinks O deserves another undeserved Nobel catch your breath. This trip is clearly all about one thing. Given US domestic failures the POTUS has gone ahead and forged the tools for military action against Syria.
    So in summary my negative critique of Obamas speech is this. You blatantly pumped up Tehrans Viagra moment,you clearly have pissedon the Palis and you are clearly looking to get it going militarily in Syria in either Iraq or Libya mode. Awesome!?

  76. If I don’t listen to another politician give a speech for the rest of my time on this planet, I will be much better off. All the great speeches we have from our past are still mostly relevant today. What we need is the will and discipline to change. We apparently don’t have that in us.

    In staying with the topic, it matters not what one professes to believe, the proof is always in one’s actions. So many claim to be Christian, yet few follow Christ’s teaching. Therefore it is dead religion. The Bible says it this way: Faith without works is dead. Period.

    As a nation, we operate far, far, far from anything resembling a Jesus perspective. We are the ones that by proxy have undermined the stability and perpetrated the terrorism in Syria. It is just a matter of time before we go in and completely take out that regime, sticking in another puppet we can control. It’s the way we roll. It’s been on the table for over a decade.

  77. TERM LIMITS and a qualifying test might solve the following! These are the people who think they can regulate our health care?

    A DC airport ticket agent offers some examples of why the US is in so much trouble!

    1. I had a New Hampshire Congresswoman (Carol Shea-Porter) ask for an aisle seat so that her hair wouldn’t get messed up by being near the window. (On an airplane!)

    2. I got a call from a Kansas Congressman’s (Moore) staffer (Howard Bauleke), who wanted to go to Cape Town . I started to explain the length of the flight and the passport information, and then he interrupted me with, ”I’m not trying to make you look stupid, but Cape Town is in Massachusetts ..”

    Without trying to make him look stupid, I calmly explained, ”Cape Cod is in Massachusetts , Cape Town is in South Africa ..”
    His response — click..

    3. A senior Vermont Congressman (Bernie Sanders) called, furious about a Florida package we did. I asked what was wrong with the vacation in Orlando .. He said he was expecting an ocean-view room. I tried to explain that’s not possible, since Orlando is in the middle of the state.

    He replied, ‘Don’t lie to me!, I looked on the map, and Florida is a very THIN state!!” (OMG)

    4. I got a call from a lawmaker’s wife (Landra Reid) who asked, ”Is it possible to see England from Canada ?”

    I said, ”No.”

    She said, ”But they look so close on the map” (OMG, again!)

    5. An aide for a cabinet member (Janet Napolitano) once called and asked if he could rent a car in Dallas .. I pulled up the reservation and noticed he had only a 1-hour layover in Dallas … When I asked him why he wanted to rent a car, he said, ”I heard Dallas was a big airport, and we will need a car to drive between gates to save time.”
    (Aghhhh)

    6. An Illinois Congresswoman (Jan Schakowsky) called last week. She needed to know how it was possible that her flight from Detroit left at 8:30 a.m., and got to Chicago at 8:33 a.m.

    I explained that Michigan was an hour ahead of Illinois , but she couldn’t understand the concept of time zones. Finally, I told her the plane went fast, and she bought that.

    7. A New York lawmaker, (Jerrold Nadler) called and asked, ”Do airlines put your physical description on your bag so they know whose luggage belongs to whom?” I said, ‘No, why do you ask?’

    He replied, ”Well, when I checked in with the airline, they put a tag on my luggage that said (FAT), and I’m overweight. I think that’s very rude!”

    After putting him on hold for a minute, while I looked into it. (I was dying laughing). I came back and explained the city code for Fresno , Ca. is (FAT – Fresno Air Terminal), and the airline was just putting a destination tag on his luggage..

    8. A Senator John Kerry aide (Lindsay Ross) called to inquire about a trip package to Hawaii . After going over all the cost info, she asked, ”Would it be cheaper to fly to California and then take the train to Hawaii ?”

    9. I just got off the phone with a freshman Congressman, Bobby Bright from Ala. who asked, ”How do I know which plane to get on?”

    I asked him what exactly he meant, to which he replied, ”I was told my flight number is 823, but none of these planes have numbers on them.”

    10 Senator Dianne Feinstein called and said, ”I need to fly to Pepsi-Cola , Florida . Do I have to get on one of those little computer planes?”

    I asked if she meant fly to Pensacola and fly on a commuter plane.

    She said, ”Yeah, whatever, smarty!”

    11 Mary Landrieu, La. Senator, called and had a question about the documents she needed in order to fly to China . After a lengthy discussion about passports, I reminded her that she needed a visa.

    “Oh, no I don’t. I’ve been to China many times and never had to have one of those.”

    I double checked and sure enough, her stay required a visa. When I told her this she said, ”Look, I’ve been to China four times and every time they have accepted my American Express!”

    12 A New Jersey Congressman (John Adler) called to make reservations, ”I want to go from Chicago to Rhino, New York .”

    I was at a loss for words. Finally, I said, ”Are you sure that’s the name of the town?”

    ‘Yes, what flights do you have?” replied the man.

    After some searching, I came back with, ”I’m sorry, sir, I’ve looked up every airport code in the country and can’t find a rhino anywhere.”

    ”The man retorted, ”Oh, don’t be silly! Everyone knows where it is.
    Check your map!”

    So I scoured a map of the state of New York and finally offered, ”You don’t mean Buffalo , do you?”

    The reply? ”Whatever! I knew it was a big animal.”

  78. Pfessor says there is no evidence to report, but there is. If the Palins lied about the baby experience, a third party could confirm or deny it. I haven’t heard of any.

    Obviously her family knows the truth. Blood is thicker than water. Did you grow up hearing that? We all know what it means and mostly abide in it. The Father certainly knows all goings on. Maybe “every little thing she does is magic”. It is just another one of those quirky things. I find most days are filled with them.

    The story that was given defies what are considered natural laws. Now, I’m one to believe in supernatural things. I believe there are events that occur that defy natural laws. I believe in beings that are beyond human and exist outside of our natural laws. I believe in a Creator that spoke it all into being and whose voice resonates still. “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.” We, being the flesh of the earth, entering head first to naked toes, helpless, if not for a voice and a heart. Still the most essential features.

    String theory allows for multiple ‘real’ scenarios. This could be one. Or, Pfesser could be experiencing a dimension separate from yours, Palins, or mine for that matter. It’s like when the state taught you there were solids, liquids, and gasses, and everything fit in one of those categories at certain ‘natural’ conditions. The fact is, there are not solids. The smaller they can look, stuff is still a swirling vibrating field of energy. So essentially, what appears a solid mass is just our perception of that very thing. Often we have a file of it in our mind. We see what we saw.

    It’s like rabbit’s theology link that states all past and future events exist now and we can experience them through connection with the Creator in the present.

    So that means we can all revisit the event if and as it occurred at some point in this circle of existence. :smile:

  79. Poolman, if ever I visited the Twilight Zone, I would choose you as one of my traveling companions. I enjoyed your trip through alternate realities.

    People other than the Palins know the story, because there was no way for them not to know. Yet, no one that I know of has written anything contrary to what Sarah said. If someone comes forward with supporting evidence and not impressions or opinions, then, I will reconsider.

    I don’t care about alternate realities. I care about mine. Its true Sarah Palin could in another dimension be crime fighter Wonder Woman, or she and Obama may be married, but they don’t affect my reality. Maybe she is really Al Capone or Joan Rivers. She would look cute in a Wonder Woman outfit. I’m rooting for that dimension.

  80. Turkey and Israel have been on relatively good terms over the years. Obama likely pressured Netanyahu to call Erodgan to appologize for killing Turks after they refused to let Israelis board a ship for inspection. They were sending support flotillas to Gaza. The flotillas were supposedly arms shipments.

    I also wonder if we are planning more extensive intervention in Syria and what unintended consequences such actions would deliver..

  81. @ James
    Obama didn’t pressure he set the ducks in a row that allowed Bibi to gulp it a little and do that which he knew he needed to get to sooner or later anyway. Turkey + Israel= Syria & Iran policy pushes coming to a theater near you soon.
    Please note the parallel counter out of Moscow where new Beijing guy Xi Jaiping stressed that the West should not “meddle the affairs of other nations”.
    It is a pretty fucked up world when the autocrats (see SCO et al) are the ones with their heads screwed on tighter than the “good guys”.

  82. Alfie you make me way too much the advocate. As I said I heard only bits and pieces of the speech. The only smirk I was offering was that regardless of what Obama said the right would find fault with it because Obama said it.

    On a more generic note, I do like Obama going over Bibi’s head and talking directly to the Israeli people. An appropriate comeuppance for Bibi’s being such a punk over the past year or so.

  83. @ R your #103 will carry far more weight when and only when the Left speaks up against what Obama is actually doing as opposed to the perceptions & interpretations of what he has said.

  84. That would be a fun trip, James Be sure to unpack before we go. I hope you aren’t susceptible to motion sickness.

    I don’t care about alternate realities. I care about mine.

    As we all do. But we should care as every other one influences our own. The more science learns, the more it finds it all works together and is entirely interwoven. A kind of unversal domino effect.

    Alfie’s 102 is spot on. There is a ‘prophet’ right now that interprets America as the biblical Mystery Babylon. He makes a good case, and if it’s the case, we’re doomed as a nation.

    http://www.escapeallthesethings.com/america-mystery-babylon-great.htm

    Bibi’s star is waning. He feels the need to act before he loses all influence. There has been a building unrest in the state of Israel. Our media doesn’t show us such things. Like the massive protesting that Bulgaria recently experienced. Western media is pretty tight-lipped and extremely bias.

    http://www.allthingspolish.net/index.php?topic=1691.0

    That’s one reason alternate realities are worth exploring.

  85. Maybe so, Poolman. I just thought the list was funny which I received in an email. And I would care to wager a few of those are based on truth. Especially the ‘okay smarty…’.

    I always thought that people that relied solely on Snopes as gospel were themselves a little stupid, as if the people that run Snopes don’t have an agenda too?

    I don’t go to Snopes to check much, mainly because I want to know who is checking Snopes – an obvious Dim shill blog masquerading as “fact checker.” Not as transparently leftist and humanistic as factchecker.org, but still mostly one-sided bullshit.

    Tom Coburn even tried to correct the Snopes record about a personal matter related to him, and they still have it listed as true. I guess once Snopes determines what they want to be true, it is. :roll:

    However, I did suspect the list to be bogus when I saw the train to Hawaii and all or most were prominent Dimocrats. :twisted:

  86. Poolman, if ever I visited the Twilight Zone, I would choose you as one of my traveling companions. I enjoyed your trip through alternate realities.

    James, to get there to join the Poolman there is one immutable truth. You would clearly have to be mentally ill to join him.

    One thing I am absolutely sure of which doesn’t require Snopes. Poolman is a full fledged nut, married to a nut.

  87. Radio hosts like Mark Levin and Web sites like Canada Free Press are mocking President Obama’s statement in a press conference yesterday with Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas, where he compared the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to U.S.-Canada relations. What? Levin called him a “moron” for the comparison.

    But ABC, CBS, and NBC failed to notice. They acted like a press release service for Obama on their newscasts Thursday night and Friday morning, offering Obama 18 soundbites adding up to 215 seconds, often ending in applause. Only Chuck Todd on NBC Nightly News aired a soundbite from anyone other than Obama.

    The evening newscasts gave the president 11 soundbites adding up to 135 seconds. In addition to four soundbites adding up to 40 seconds of Obama speaking as what he called “diplomat-in-chief,” Chuck Todd included six seconds of Abbas and eight seconds of pretty neutral analysis by longtime NBC Mideast correspondent Martin Fletcher.

    On ABC, reporter Jonathan Karl gave Obama four soundbites totally 44 seconds. The report ended with anchor Diane Sawyer insisting “So the White House is considering this trip a big success?” Karl agreed: “Given the low expectations, they view this as exceeding expectations, because they reaffirmed the strong relationship with Israel, and challenged the Israelis to move forward with peace talks.”

    On CBS, reporter Major Garrett offered three soundbites of 51 seconds. The last one was a 24-second answer to a Garrett question (also shown on screen). At least Todd and Karl each noticed a Hamas rocket attack on Thursday, and Todd showed a couple seconds of anti-U.S. protests. Garrett was apparently too busy repeating “Obama adviser” statements. He seemed the most enthusiastic in acting as an Obama publicist.

    The morning shows offered Obama seven soundbites adding up to 80 seconds. Again, Garrett won the Best Friend to Obama contest. NBC’s Todd showed one somber 17-second Obama soundbite from Yad Vashem, the Holocaust memorial. ABC’s Karl had two Obama clips adding up to 15 seconds. Garrett’s report carried four soundbites totaling 48 seconds, including applause.

    The only note of Garrett’s independence was a morning reference to how Obama’s speech to students was “stocked with Obama supporters.” That might explain why Evening News substitute anchor Bob Schieffer boasted “students gave him rock star treatment.”

    OBAMA: Even though both sides may have areas of strong disagreement, may be engaging in activities that the other side considers to be a breach of good faith, we have to push through those things to get to an agreement,” Obama says “Because, if we have an agreement, it will be very clear what the nature of that agreement is. There will be a sovereign Palestinian state, a sovereign Jewish state of Israel, and those two states will be able to deal with each other the same way all states do. I mean, ya know, the United States and Canada has arguments once in a while.

    Then Robert Laurie brought the pain to Obama with what Dan Rather calls “context and perspective.”

    Apparently, the President doesn’t understand – or chooses to ignore – the fact there are a few differences regarding U.S. relations with our neighbor to the North.

    — Canada isn’t controlled by a terrorist organization named Hamas.

    — Canada isn’t calling for the destruction of the United States.

    — Vancouver isn’t lobbing missiles over the border into Seattle.

    — The Canadian government isn’t funding suicide bombers who blow themselves up on U.S. buses and in U.S. pizza parlors.

    — Canada has taken the bold step of acknowledging that the United States has right to exist.

    — Canada’s Prime Minister probably doesn’t believe that the “Zionists” colluded with the Nazis to create the holocaust.

    Other than that, he’s right. It’s exactly the same.

  88. I agree with you regarding Snopes, Tex. I have found them in error more than once. I have learned to true test stuff myself. To put it simpler, I’ve honed my gut check. It is always reassuring when confirmed. Really, we should all test and confirm everything. That is especially true in our land of opportunity propaganda.

  89. More like a deeper plunge into the abyss, Noah. Personhood status to an embryo at fertilization? Yeah, I like government control SO MUCH I want them in charge of future people. This way they can expand their tax base and legally control women. They’ve done such a good job with all the other responsibilities we’ve handed over to them…

    “Lookie there! Citizen’s arrest! That pregnant woman is not eating right. There’s one smoking a cigarette. Arrest their asses and charge ‘em with fetal abuse.”

    Yeah, that’s really a smart move. :roll:

  90. Only Thor will know what the hell I’m talking about, but damn that was enjoyable to have somebody to root against for the sole reason that Thor was their biggest fan.
    :smile: :smile: :smile:

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  93. Tex, I would drive Poolman crazy through my current infatuation with Lativian and Estonian pop music. (LILY-Pasaule Live ) for instance. I also don’t let go of an argument. I had several crazy aunts and uncles and we got along fine. He, not I should worry.

    Poolman, I don’t get motion sickness. It would be fun.

    However, I dispute your view that other dimensions somehow bleed into ours and affect us. If that is true and other alternatives exist, please answer this. A medical blunder killed our nearly born son, and we got a financial settlement. A man and his daughter were burned alive in a wrecked truck. While in the service, I told a frightened girl on a stretcher that she would be all right. She was dead inside of two hours.,

    They may live on in another dimension as other versions of the Palin baby might, But where is the effect in our world you mentioned? The people I cited are dead. They no longer exist here, and they never will again unless time reverses.Walls between rooms are pretty thick in the mansion.

    Alfie, don’t you think it odd that Netanyaho waited almost three years to appologize to the Turks and did so during Obama’s visit? A Fox radio news network reader made the same point I did. Obama’s influence was at work–not that it was a bad thing.

  94. Our dog and I were measuring our new snow to report to the weather service.

    I saw a coyote watching me from about 300 feet. Then, two others appeared as they dug in the snow looking for breakfast. Our dog was, like me up wind, so she couldn’t smell the coyotes. I think she believed they were other dogs, and she stood transfixed as I did.

    I think the little beasties believed we were no threat, and one was standing guard in case of trouble. Two finally trotted west and soon the other followed. I got some of the action on camera as I did last year when our dog spared with a red tailed hawk.

    I plan to ski a little later. Skiing on Palm Sunday is unusual here.

  95. Hey Poolman? I couldn’t figure out how you and Mu Mu had paid off that phone bill that had left you two sad sacks in limbo.

    Then it occurred to me with you and Wilma now on your willing crusade to bite the hand that feeds your two:

  96. Good morning James. I don’t have a lot of time this morning to visit. I’ll have to hold off any long answers till later. One note, and very appropriate today is in John chapter 12 and primarily verse 24. Being a farmer, you know that a seed must fall to the ground and die to produce any crop. Jesus was explaining His path and purpose.

    We Americans are obsessed with death, thinking it is the worse thing that could happen to anyone, yet that is not how many other cultures have viewed it over time. Death is normal and very much a part of the cycle of every life and must take place.

    Have fun skiing!! It’s chilly here this morning. 48 on the back patio.

  97. Alfie, don’t you think it odd that Netanyaho waited almost three years to appologize to the Turks and did so during Obama’s visit?

    No I don’t think it odd.First off I’ve said from the get go that Bibi was going to have to do it sooner or later but do so in terms that saved the max. of face & mutual good. That it occurred during O’s visit is actually all the more worrying,and as I said in my post http://valleyviewpoints.com/2013/03/23/so-while-we-are-sleeping/“>@ my place has only given Erdogan the advantage. As I’ve said Obamas influence wasn’t about Turkey and Israel getting along for the sake of them getting along. This is about having the political stability and logistical abilities to take aim at Syria and Iran
    A Fox radio news network reader made the same point I did. Obama’s influence was at work–not that it was a bad thing.
    Actually the point I’m trying to make is it is a BAD THING! It appears clearer now than ever before that the West is looking to get into Syria and to do so for a number of reasons. It is also clear that this is as bad an idea now as it was then.
    Enjoy your skiing.

  98. James, you couldn’t drive Poolman crazy because he is already there. Enjoy the snow – I’m more a fair weather, flower man, still waiting to put his tomatoes in the dirt.

    Pfesser, I laughed at your evolution of government ‘toon, but shouldn’t have. I’ve never seen a better strip explain where we were and where we are. Makes you wonder what the next evolutionary step is.

    A gun to the temple?

  99. I cannot believe how stupid the Right is getting. The latest garbage is the 2700 DHS tanks thing which has been bandied about the web at nauseating levels and added atop the billions of hollow point rounds thing.
    For fucks sake people get your heads out of your asses. The paper trail is clear.
    The 2700 “tanks” are not going to any of the agencies under the DHS umbrella. They are in fact under the authority of a Dept. of the Navy contract that is refitting the vehicles for continued use in the USMC. That said the agencies under DHS specifically FEMA,USSS, and ICE have in total 18 MRAP’s with ICE operating the majority of them. I’ll gladly have a discussion on those but please stop lying,fantasizing etc.
    As for the 1.6 billion rounds of “illegal ammunition”. As presented to none other than Sen Tom Coburn the agencies that come under the DHS have never and will never actually take deliver and actively stock 1+ billion rounds. As for the rounds being legal the rightards are playing fast and loose with reality. Hollow points are viewed negatively on the international stage and the DoD does not use them preferring jacketed & penetrating munitions. hollow points have been the gold standard in domestic LE applications and for very good reasons. #1 penetration. They stay in what they hit more often than not. ergo innocent bystanders don’t get hit with pass throughs. #2 disintegration on impact non organics. Thats my fancy past life chatter that speaks to ricochets prevention and high velocity rounds traveling out there in the world after they leave the barrel. #3 folks don’t like this but as a rule and in many states general law & SOP if a police officer/LEO draws their weapon they should do so only due to the belief it is needed and if so needed shoot to kill is needed otherwise you have failed to meet the need to draw upon another human being.

  100. This is the first I have heard about anyone purchasing illegal ammo. I do wonder why DSH would purchase anything that it had no intention of taking delivery of or using? Where are 1.6 billion rounds going then and why didn’t they purchase them? In times where sequestration is necessary, and the closing of White House tours to school kids and canceling of the Easter Egg hunt is necessary to save money, why we would at this time purchase enough rounds for a 24 year war?

  101. This is the first I have heard about anyone purchasing illegal ammo.
    It is all over the web,folks intentionally blur the truth regards hollow points . They conveniently call them illegal when the only way they are so is via any other time hated international law. They are the legal and preferred domestic law enforcement round.
    I do wonder why DSH would purchase anything that it had no intention of taking delivery of or using?
    They haven’t purchased anything,they have ordered or more importantly contracted an up to a max.kind of thing. The truth of the matter is DHS has seen steadily decreasing delivery amounts. The agency has in fact kept a rather hefty inventory but this has been kind of a constant.
    In times where sequestration is necessary, and the closing of White House tours to school kids and canceling of the Easter Egg hunt is necessary to save money, why we would at this time purchase enough rounds for a 24 year war?
    Wide ranging question that is full of divergent points. First off sequestration is needed because we finally passed a law to make us do what we should have been doing all along. Second, there is no reason not to believe sequestration will indeed impact the volume if not the overall contract under discussion and distortion. Third,I’m way biased but WH tours were clamped down because the Administration is little more than a petty political pile of shit who no doubt in the vein of Harry “the tourists really smell in the Capitol in the summer” Reid (D NV) they don’t want US there in and USSS probably supports it.
    a 24 year war?
    I saw that breakdown & comparison to the Iraq War amounts.It just doesn’t jive with previously reported numbers such as that of the expending of 1.8 billion rounds/year between 2002-05.
    Sensationalism + math=fail

  102. “They haven’t purchased anything,they have ordered or more importantly contracted an up to a max.kind of thing”

    I don’t see the point you are making. We can quibble about placing an order and taking a delivery of an order, if you want. I don’t care, why do you? If they have put in an order, I want to know why. If they have purchased them, I still want to know why.

    “Second, there is no reason not to believe sequestration will indeed impact the volume if not the overall contract under discussion and distortion.”

    Absolutely there is. Could you show me any evidence that proves out your point? I can list dozens of things that should be cut BEFORE White House tours, viewings of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, State parks…ect that would have a far greater impact on spending.

    We can also quibble as to how many years of a war is fought with 1.6 billion rounds. Be it 24 or 14, I still have the same question. Why does the government need to make a purchase of this size when we are in a time of having sequestration? Is it just a coincidence that this purchase has made the purchasing of ammo very difficult for the civilian?

  103. Obama goes to a school to talk to the kids and to get a little PR. After his talk he offers question time. One little boy puts up his hand and Obama asks him his name.

    “Stanley,” responds the boy.

    “And what is your question, Stanley?”

    “I have 4 questions: First, why did you go to bed the night of the Benghazi raid and only talk to your cabinet one time when you KNEW Americans lives were on the line? Second, why are you President when we still have no clue where you were born? Third, what REALLY happened to all of the money you gave to green energy corporations that are now bankrupt? Fourth, if I don’t do my homework I get punished … why haven’t you submitted a budget to Congress when the LAW says you were supposed to submit one by the first Monday in February?

    Just then, the bell rings for recess. Obama informs the kiddies that they will continue after recess.

    When they resume Obama says, “OK, now … where were we? Oh, that ‘s right: question time. Who has a question?”

    Another little boy puts up his hand. Obama points him out and asks him his name.

    “Steve,” he responds.

    “And what is your question,Steve?”

    Actually, I have 6 questions. First, why did you go to bed the night of the Benghazi raid and only talk to your cabinet one time when you KNEW Americans lives were on the line? Second, why are you President when we still have no clue where you were born? Third, what REALLY happened to all of the money you gave to green energy corporations that are now bankrupt? Fourth, if I don’t do my homework I get punished … why haven’t you submitted a budget to Congress when the LAW says you were supposed to submit one by the first Monday in February? Fifth, why did the recess bell go off 20 minutes early? And sixth, what the heck happened to Stanley?”

  104. They may live on in another dimension as other versions of the Palin baby might, But where is the effect in our world you mentioned? The people I cited are dead. They no longer exist here, and they never will again unless time reverses.Walls between rooms are pretty thick in the mansion.

    James, I think I’ve found one of those alternate dimensions right here at Rutherford’s tavern. It seems I’ve found myself agreeing with Alfie’s recent posts. It could very well be the twilight zone. :grin:

    You say walls between rooms are pretty thick. That may be true, but windows and doors exist, along with provision for HVAC. We have developed technologies to virtually penetrate walls. The ability has always been there, we’ve only learned to master it.

    We aren’t certain what goes on inside a black hole, we can only observe its powerful effects. We haven’t figured what dreams and visions are about or why we experience them.

    When people die their physical elements remain, but where does their spirit go? What about all the words they uttered and breaths they exhaled? You say they no longer exist, but how do you define existence? If we have a record of them or a photo or hold them in memory, is that a form of existing? If they lived and died on the other side of the planet and we never knew of them, does their existence still impact us? If their physical form decays and they become a part of the earth which is still growing and producing life, is it a way of still existing? Most of us are very limited in our knowledge.

    When you comforted the frightened girl and told her she would be alright, how do you know she isn’t? Her pain subsided, just as did those you remember burning in that wreck. The pain and anguish you still carry has kept them existing there, at least for you. That is a reverse of time, a form of time travel. The event is still very real in your memory. Have they then ceased to exist?

    We all know as mortals we cannot change past events. They all did happen for a purpose, though often we cannot fathom it. We can revisit these ‘places’ and see them through different eyes. Sometimes it is good to travel with a guide.

    I believe you have a son you’ve not yet met and one day you will.

  105. Tex I suspect Snopes is more often right than wrong and since they are not limited to politics I don’t have a reason to seriously doubt them. (Much of Snopes is devoted to the countless Internet scams going around.)

    Posting stupid stuff as truth just makes the poster look stupid: forewarned is forearmed. :-)

  106. @ 133
    I don’t know what I can do for you regards you not seeing the point I am making. I am stating fact that is easily verified via multiple reliable sources and which do not twist the words or outright lie about it.

  107. Posting stupid stuff as truth just makes the poster look stupid

    I agree. Finally, you understand how I came to my conclusion about you several years ago. I tried giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you were so consistently stupid in what you posted and so easily shredded by several, I felt stupid for not calling you stupid much sooner.
    :smile:

    As for Snopes, you’re naive as hell in addition to being simple and stupid, magnified by you thinking yourself brilliant. If you don’t think these fact checkers don’t have an agenda, you must also think Michelle Obama ‘pretty.’

    Oh, WAIT!

  108. On the matter of sequestration and the DHS I can point to a number of sources that look at what cuts were going to do. I can also show you how Congress with no small assist from (R)s have given DHS a pass for 2013 keeping the at a 2012 budget. One could logically conclude that the DHS ammo budget will be the same then.

  109. As for the why’s….
    DHS agencies expend a large volume of ammunition per year. They have a very poor record on ammo and firearm control. They lose an inordinate amount of firearms,CBP the worse,and they use vast amounts of ammo in training. Up to four times they have in operational issue annually. That all being said I don’t find the contract amounts alarming given the historical use and purchase numbers.

  110. I don’t get your thing with the 1.6 billion or the 1.8. So here is our baseline for this conversation.

    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/032213-649114-dhs-wont-answer-congress-on-ammunition-purchases.htm

    Freshman California Republican Doug LaMalfa and 14 of his House colleagues, who signed on to his March 5 letter, are asking the Department of Homeland Security to explain why it is buying 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition of various calibers.

    As for usage rates we can look here.

    http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/security/has176250.000/has176250_0.HTM

    “That all being said I don’t find the contract amounts alarming given the historical use and purchase numbers.”

    1,600,000,000 / 365= 4,363,651 / 10 = 438,356. How is this not alarming?

  111. You are continuing to perpetuate the lie of 1.6 billion rounds. Fy 2012 saw DHS purchase 103,178,200 rounds. They used 116,227,781 rounds

  112. I m on my ipad as opposed to desktop so I cannot dig up the link but the GAO refutes the usage rates and is IMO more reliable secondary to the date of publication

  113. Yeah…remember my bragging about my work out regime at the MMA gym? Can’t lift my arm over my head. Cortisone shot made it worse. I am now on the DL.

    It was basketball that got me. Basketball should come with a surgeon general’s warning.

  114. Counting the number of seconds of coverage of Obama only shows a very unhealthy obsession with the man.

    Maybe he and Sarah Palin do share something in common — both inspire irrational obsession.

  115. No…my foot is in fine working order

    :lol: I’ll bet a 36oz. Louisville Slugger would work better unless you’ve got the steel toes available. Makes me orgasmic just thinking about you taking a Babe Ruth swing at that mouth and buckteeth with a new, shiny Easton aluminum.

    You figure Mr. Ed could still eat corn? :lol:

  116. Maybe he and Sarah Palin do share something in common — both inspire irrational obsession.

    Like those fireside chats that you used to post of Honest Obe every week until most figured out Obama more Orc than Wizard? :roll:

    You must have been looking in the mirror when you typed that.

  117. “Counting the number of seconds of coverage of Obama only shows a very unhealthy obsession with the man.”

    This being your sole focus shows you to be Obama’s & the Dem’s bitch. It is a role that seems to suit you, good job Mr. Kinte.

    Upon further research, it seems that 1.6 billion number turns out not to be a purchase order but rather the current stockpile of ammunition amassed by DSH. I still want to know why.

  118. DR @ 149

    Any joint will only take so much. I have a relative who has weight-lifted seriously since high school. He is now about 40 and has had both ACLs reconstructed and several other large joint problems. He’s close to 300# and very little of it fat, but his bones are small; his frame I would call very “light duty.” Prob perfect weight for him would be about 150#. His joints just won’t stand the kind of loads he imposes every day, and by 50 he will be lucky if he doesn’t have at least one joint replacement. A word to the wise.

    BTW, the shoulder injections have a combination of anesthetic and steroid. The anesthetic should make you feel much better immediately; that confirms for the doctor his needle was in the right place. That will wear off within the day, just like dental anesthetic. There will be a week or so before the steroids really kick in, so your shoulder will feel not-so-hot until they get going. When was your injection?

  119. Rabbit, I agree with the doctor’s prognosis. What worked at 25, will irreparable hurt you at 35. Tendons and ligaments don’t much heal because they’re basically avascular and you’re asking for trouble somewhere down the line.

    Remember that tibiofibular ligament I tore almost four years ago chasing the pooch? It still gives me problems, and I’m not abusing it other than mostly walking. It won’t heal.

    Like Pfesser’s relatives, I got friends who power lifted for years and now can’t walk at 50 without metal devices – modern miracles to be sure, but titanium knees don’t work nearly as well as God’s knees.

    They have major regrets.

  120. Just remember Rutherford, I don’t trust any source I can’t verify. If I find information in one I know to be contrary to fact, that source gets red-flagged. Not that I won’t check it, but I am forever skeptical. It’s how the majority of mankind has survived – up to now, anyway.

    Test ALL things for truthiness. :wink:

    I find it suits me better than blind trust in anything mankind. Time will bear out which one of us the wiser. :grin:

  121. Thanks for the good thoughts about skiing. It was wonderful but cold in the wind. I had so much fun I went out again in the evening. Just as good, the sixth grader son of a friend who lives 30 miles away called and we “watched” the last part of the Sprint Cup race together via telephone.

    Poolman, our son would have lived 37 years– four years longer than our elder child has lived. At my wife’s request, we have told no one except my aunt who is dead. Sometimes, I privately mark events like our children’s graduations and imagine our son’s passing through the same milestones.

    The circumstances were especially traumatic for my wife, so we rarely talk about our small son. It would be unhealthy to do so. He lives on in our minds, but he is not alive. He is a figment of our imagination and memories. If he grew up, married and had children in another dimension, fine for him. It is a comforting thought, but it has no effect on me here.

    The girl who died of meningitis was really, really dead with the same purple and green complexion my mother had when I saw her after the end. Both also looked like the suicide victim we searched for in the base library. It was my misfortune to accidently step on her in a dark area.

    The girl and her father who burned to death in a wrecked truck exist only in my memory. They still gurgle at the end and then they sizzle, but it is only in my head. They are no longer in our plane of existence, and they aren’t coming back.

    If you are interested, Google Roger Wiliamson Fatal Crash on youtube video. One of my distant cousins tries to save him, and they live on in ether space. But they are really really dead and non-existent. They can live on in our memories, and in this case YouTube, but from their stand point, they no longer exist.Existence and memory for the principles are unrelated.

    My father was clinically dead. Doctors and my wife told me we should let him go, and I didn’t know what to do. I was sitting on a wagon full of corn while searching for an auger chain which had fallen into the corn. I called my brother at work, and he said he agreed with what ever I decided. My father had said he wanted to be revived, and he trusted me. I gave the order. He woke up in a Sioux City hospital fifty miles away. We locked eyes, and I knew that unlike doctors’ predictions, he was still mentally there.

    I later asked what he saw during his twilight zone between life and death. As you know, sometimes people see lights, dead family members or angels as my aunt did. My father answered “nothing.” My father and I were very close. Admittedly some weird things happened for several years after he died, so that leaves me with a tiny doubt about reality. I’d like to think you are right and that our son is a mature, happy man somewhere.

    I agree every event changes history. I am alive because my great uncle was killed in a bicycle accident. Tragic for him, but good for me and our family.

    As for me, though versions of those people may be living in other dimensions, for me here and now they are “Just Somebody that I used to know.” by Goty featuring Kimbra. The song’s dialogue resembles what happened between the fat grannies and me.

  122. Alfie, I agree with what you wrote, but I think that Israel and Turkey’s reverting to a less hostile relationship is good. If Turkey and others interpreted the apology as a sign of weakness, then not so good.

    Rutherford, 153, “its what I’ve been talking about.” “Maybe he and Sarah Palin do share something in common–both inspire irrational obsession.” Review the 2008 campaign. Obama and Palin were the inspiring stars. Palin was the anti- Obama and vise versa.

    Tex, as far as Poolman’s being crazy. I like Match Box Twenty’s song “I’m not sick, I’m just unwell.”

    I’m sorry rabbit and the others have experienced pain. What role do genetics play? Are some people more disposed than others for tendons etc to wear out with similar activities?

  123. Just remember Tex, you and Poolman don’t trust Snopes. Speaks volumes! :lol:

    I hope you’re better at your dispatch job than you are in your responses anymore. Scary thought that somebody of your limited ability will need to discern whose life may be at stake waiting for a tow. You’re probably conversing with Bubble Gum Berhns on the job.

    ———-

    Now..See how easy this is to once again make you look overmatched and lame? For instance…observe, read, weep.

    You and Poolman voted for Obama. After now five years of misery, speaks volumes.

    However, unlike Poolman who wised up and refused to vote for Obama again recognizing Obama is a piece of shit, you voted for abject failure twice. Poolman can be trained. You on the other hand, are unteachable and show no instinct. It’s like trying to teach a slinky new tricks. You just flip over and over doing the same trick.

    That makes Poolman either twice as smart as you, or half as dumb as you.

    You take your pick.

  124. Rutherford,

    Before I start to question the validity of Snopes itself, let me just verify with good source from my own Senator that Snopes has itself been busted for false or misleading information about him. Surely Tom would be a better source about personal information about himself than Snopes? Yet Coburn has never once been contacted.

    So having said that and being you’re a little thick in believing a liberal Jewish couple in charge of Snopes would have no agenda, let me provide some background of similar experiences of other folks: (one example Googled and there are hundreds to choose from):

    ——-

    David and Barbara Mikkelson in the San Fernando Valley of California started the Snopes Website about 14 years ago – and they have no formal background or experience in investigative research. After a few years it gained popularity believing it to be unbiased and neutral, but over the past couple of years people started asking questions who was behind it and did they have a selfish motivation? The reason for the questions – or skepticism – is a result of snopes.com claiming to have the bottom line facts to certain questions or issue when in fact they have been proven wrong. Also, there were criticisms the Mikkelsons were not really investigating and getting to the ‘true’ bottom of various issues. I can personally vouch for that complaint.

    A few months ago, when my State Farm agent Bud Gregg in Mandeville hoisted a political sign referencing Barack Obama and made a big splash across the internet, ‘supposedly’ the Mikkelson’s claim to have researched this issue before posting their findings on snopes.com. In their statement the Mikkelsons claimed the corporate office of State Farm pressured Gregg into taking down the sign, when in fact nothing of the sort ever took place.

    I personally contacted David Mikkelson (and he replied back to me) thinking he would want to get to the bottom of this and I gave him Bud Gregg’s contact phone numbers – and Bud was going to give him phone numbers to the executive office at State Farm in Illinois who would have been willing to speak with him about it. He never called Bud. In fact, I learned from Bud Gregg no one from snopes.com ever contacted anyone with State Farm. Yet, snopes.com issued a statement as the ‘final factual word’ on the issue as if they did all their homework and got to the bottom of things. Not true…

    It has been learned the Mikkelson’s are Jewish liberals – extremely liberal. As we all now know from this presidential election, liberals have a purpose agenda to discredit anything that appears to be conservative. There has been much criticism lately over the internet with people pointing out the Mikkelson’s liberalism revealing itself in their website findings.. Gee, what a shock?

    So, I say this now to everyone who goes to http://www.snopes.com to get what they think to be the bottom line facts…’proceed with caution.’ Take what it says at face value and nothing more. Use it only to lead you to their references where you can link to and read the sources for yourself. Plus, you can always google a subject and do the research yourself. It now seems apparent that’s all the Mikkelson’s do. After all, I can personally vouch from my own experience for lack of investigation into subject matter.

  125. Nice try Tex. Poolman threw his vote away on Ron Paul. Might as well have voted for Obama.

    Your skepticism of Snopes is consistent with your supporting whatever you find cathartic. You’ve proven repeatedly you’re a slave to your emotions.

    Being on the same side as Poolman really burns your ass and I’m having a good time watching you lash out cos you’ve been busted.

    I’d go on but I have a job to go to. Smell ya layta! :lol:

  126. Oh Rutherford, I can’t even believe you’re now going to revert to being cocky. About what? You, the consummate reactionary, making accusation of anyone being slave to our emotions?

    You, the constant biblical critic but Snopes gospel scholar? You, the adoring sycophant, fawning over feckless men who would claim to stop the rising tides while standing in front of Styrofoam columns? :lol: Gawd, you would have made a perfect court jester.

    Maybe this is even better: Rutherford Salacious Crumb.

    There’s several things I’m on the side of Poolman, or at least on the same side of the equation. The simple fact of where there’s a creation, there’s a creator being most obvious. I don’t think that fact invalidates a simple truth. Snopes has an agenda like the rest of us.

    You can’t be serious in that denial, can you? The worst part is I think you are serious. :twisted:

    Oh Rutherford. The part that tickles me the most about you is that you’re such a helpless dupe who obviously has lives in a world of his own making. You really are part Peter Pan, part Salacious Crumb.

    Man, you’re almost 52 years old..You got to grow out of the make believe stage before you pass.

  127. Rutherford, you – especially you – jeering Tex’s industriousness over the years was always cheeky, but the snopes connection to poolman really is a stretch. Regarding the first – Tex has put 2 kids through college and has not had to sell his home to buy milk. Further, his distinction from poolman is legendary while you’ve built a platform of being on the wrong side of the poolman factor for years. The Newtown tragedy provides you with the cover – albeit thin – that you evidently need to buck pools, that’s all. And unless you trust Snopes unequivocally I’m not sure what your cockamamie little happy dance is celebrating.

  128. Poolman did throw his vote away. As you wrote, Rutherford, he might as well have voted for Obama, but he didn’t . He also knew voters like him couldn’t elect Ron Paul, but he voted for him anyway. I think it was a stupid thing for him to do, but Poolman voted on principal. I respect that.

    Try Newsbusters. it is pretty accurate. Let it counter balance Snopes.

  129. For example, David Gregory asked Wayne LaPierre if more stringent gun registration wasn’t good to reduce the 40% of sales with no back ground checks.

    The Washington Post reported in January that the correct percentage is 14-22%. The Post gave Gregory two pinocchios.

  130. You know the best part, Muffy? No promises, of course, because we don’t know what tomorrow holds. I could be out on the street, as could we all. But what Rutherford doesn’t apparently recognize is…

    …I don’t have to work. Don’t have to work at 52. And nobody but my wife is giving me a dime and she likes the set up. And since it was all on my own with my wife, you might think that held certain sway of not failure, but success.

    See, I am a very simple man and I determined a long time ago that the one thing I didn’t have plenty of in this life was time. And since time was the restraining factor, shouldn’t I make the best of it?

    Rich? Nope. Comfortable. Absolutely. Do with out? Not on your life. I never found the office pool terribly and profoundly fulfilling. Some do. My wife likes it. Power to them. I’d rather go on vacation with my wife and kids and not have to answer to another turd promoted by nepotism and cronyism calling me while I’m at Disney World because he can’t figure out how to sharpen his pencils. I don’t particularly like answering to people I find inept. And that is what I found in America. They can have their new BMW and big house. I don’t need it.

    If Poolman believes running a backhoe and Rutherford believes being a dispatcher is far superior to being retired, sleeping in or comfortable bum, whatever it is that I am, who am I to argue? This Lurker bloated toad made the same charges two weeks ago and I could only snicker. I say carry forth, intellects! I’m going to watch ‘The Hobbit’ on DVD while you pay the electric bill. Mine is paid for.

    I’ll call Rutherford if I need a tow. I’ll call Poolman if I need a hole.

  131. Tex, Pfessor,

    I got the Cort shot Friday. My shoulder has only gotten worse.

    This sucks. My switch to the MMA gym was awesome. The stuff I was doing was much easier on the joints and tendons.

    However, up until this last month I was lifting heavy traditional weights. And have been for 5 years straight. Off and on for 20 years.

    But It was the basketball in the morning where these tendons and joints would kill. My left shoulder is my shooting side and they foul the living crap out of me over and over.

    Do you guys think its normal that my shoulder would be hurting even more since the Cort shot. I mean it is killing me. I can’t sleep. I can’t even get dressed.

    Pain meds. They always give them to me when I don’t need them and never give them on the rare instance when I need them. It’s like a tooth ache in my rotator cup or something.

    What really sucks is I’m forced to be completely sedentary. Doctor said I shouldn’t even jog for a week. Everything was going great.

    Getting old sucks, particularly for a meat head that gains too much self esteem from his physical powers.

  132. Rabbit,

    The few steroid shots I’ve taken have never proven to be particularly effective for me. I strained my Infraspinatus muscle (one of the four muscles which make up the rotator cuff) which ended my baseball career. I didn’t pursue surgery and simply let the inflammation subside with time and OTC pain medication. It causes me few problems now, unless I throw.

    The physician injected a cortizone shot into my shoulder which didn’t hurt but did nothing. The steroid shot I received for my pneumonia this year was shot into my hip and was sore for several days. That may be what you are experiencing. Icing the area might help, but I never found that terribly effective either.

    I was told by a pharmacist you can take a pain killer like ibuprofen or paracetamol after a steroid injection. Just don’t over medicate.

  133. And you are truly proud, and satisfied in being a lazy nonproductive man! I believe that explains a lot of things, Tex. Snicker away sweetheart.

  134. R has become a lazy version of Newt. He isn’t that busy in life, that is BS. There is nothing going on that he can be proud of, just the opposite. There is so much going on that he lacks the capacity to defend, he feigns disinterests and disengages until such time as something arises that allows him to vomit his opinion.

    Don’t take my word for it, watch the news. As soon as something comes that either makes the GOP look bad, or Obama look good, he will suddenly appear. The same goes with all his liberal fair-weather friends who all abandoned him. I don’t find it odd at all that all of them became busy at the exact same time.

    Look at Lurker. Found something to take a personal jab at,he appears, and disappears as quickly.

  135. Tex deserves to be proud. None of us has enough time, and as the days dwindle, why not enjoy the remainder with what makes us happy? People I know who are younger than I can barely get around or they are dead. I attended funerals of two people younger than I. this month. So far, I am fit and ski almost every day that I can find the time. “Enjoy yourself. Its later than you think.”

  136. And you are truly proud, and satisfied in being a lazy nonproductive man! I believe that explains a lot of things, Tex. Snicker away sweetheart.

    Believe I will snicker some more, Toad. But you make your allegations based on a false premise, standard fare for ignorant, American hating, hedonistic Leftists like you.

    I believe I am far more productive now than I ever was as a corporate lackey. You confuse a paycheck with productivity, cupcake.

    And I believe it explains why I understand what is so much more important than the inane like you and the rube like Rutherford. :smile:

  137. Noah and James,

    Pay no heed to The Lurker. Garden variety moron and pinko, legion amongst the Left. One swift kick in the ass and they’ll be gone for weeks. :lol:

    But I hope The Lurker sticks around. I need a punching bag of sorts, as it much to cold around these parts to do what I need to do. This ‘Hobbit’ has been pretty good so far. Not as good as ‘Lord of the Rings’, but close.

    Sure does fill in a lot of the gaps for me.

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  139. “Do you guys suppose that what ails the rabbit could be muscluar in nature?”

    I had a shoulder “injury” that came on pretty suddenly after working out for a few months with a sadistic trainer who just loved those medicine balls. Some days I couldn’t even lift my arm at all, and I had to quit everything except aerobics. My primary doc shrugged, an ortho specialist looked at the x-ray and shrugged. In desperation I went to a chiropractor and he oblidged me with a loud crack that I felt down in my toes and then massaged/examined my shoulder at the back a little.

    He told me I was all knotted up and should get a deep tissue massage. I was suspicious when the masseuse he recommended turned out to be his fiancee but she did indeed chase the burrs out from under my scapula. I was truly amazed. After about a month of once-a-week sessions with her all traces of pain were gone and have never returned.

    ~

    Jim Carrey has managed to become Ray Stevens. Awesome career move.

  140. “I don’t have to work. Don’t have to work at 52.”

    I know. Such a strange thing to use against someone.

  141. Muffy, before I took OMM, I was highly skeptical of chiropractors. And to a degree, some of what they practice, I still am.

    However, there is no doubt that misalignment of vertebrae and inhibition of muscular movement are probably the cause of much of our chronic aches and pains, and possibly some neurology. I can attest I was able to “fix” my nephew with some basic OMM one time.

    The problem is that as we grow older, most of us experience stenosis of the spine, ossification of our cartilage, collagen accumulation, experience a loss of synovial fluid (the stuff that greases the joints), tears in our tendons and ligaments. That’s where the physician comes in because no amount of manipulation of physical manipulation is going to replace fluid loss or turn bone into cartilage.

    I think Pfesser’s observation is right on and heavy weight use should be discouraged before 30. Some physicians I know don’t believe in heavy weights period. Though one may not gain as much muscle mass through the smaller weights, their use is far healthier on the joints than pushing the joints time after time to maximum strain and actually represents a far more effective building of muscle tissue.

    For what it is worth.

  142. It is really pretty awesome that you don’t have to work, Tex. I love my job but I also need it to survive. I never wanted to retire, but we were putting away some savings. Everything I had saved vanished quickly trying to keep everything and everybody paid after the economic nosedive in 07. Until then, I never realized pools would dry up, especially here in pool mecca. That’s the primary reason I relocated here from Texas. This was the big time for my industry. AZ and up to Vegas. I never realized the whole thing was just a big inflatable banking bubble, a financing and equity ponzi that put some 350 legal pool builders in my market. Tons of not-so-legal ones, too. It got so crazy none of us could keep up. Pumps and filters and PVC was getting scarce. Steel and cement was shipping to China and was becoming scarce and pricey. Crazy, wild times ’06.

  143. Tex, real information had made us wolves to their coyotes. They are reduced to attacking and retreating from the fringes.

    A pickup struck me at 36 MPH and threw me 200 feet in a snow storm. Luckilly, my reflexes were fast and I was in the air on impact. I never saw a doctor and slept a lot for about two weeks. From 1987 on, I suffered serious pain every six or seven weeks. I also did a lot of heavy lifting with our farm work.

    In 2005, my left leg went numb to my knee and lower. My leg tended to crumple at times. Then,I saw a doctor. After six weeks, two neurosurgeons saw me and they were ready to operate based on MRI scans.. By that time, I was in good shape.One neurosurgeon told me that as long as I could stand the pain, never let someone like him touch my back.

    They told me to stop down hill skiing and snow boarding, but cross country skiing was fine.

    I have two herniated disks, and if I flex my muscles,I can feel something move.The problem is visually apparent. The neurosurgeons could tell by looking at me.

    My car was rear ended in an accident, and something happened to my neck My right arm was so painful I couldn’t sleep well. Even now my right arm goes numb sometimes. I learned one way to stop the pain is to put my right hand on top of my head.

    A head injury knocked me out during a drunk- driver caused accident. My brain swelled briefly, and my left side became partly numb.

    I don’t take pain killers and i use my back muscles as a brace. I am grateful for having it so easy. Our Korean daughter in law wants to do something she calls cupping on my back the next time we visit them in California.

  144. I know a lot of people that swear by chiropractors. I’ve never been, but would not hesitate given the need. Some are better practitioners than others. I know some that have had bad experiences. My wife went every two weeks for years when she was teaching Jazzercise. The person she worked with corrected her slight scoliosis of the spine over time.

    I don’t have anything against doctors, but I strongly dislike hospitals. I can’t see how such an unhealthy environment can do well to revive folks.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    No skiing out here in the desert, James. Water skiing yes, but I don’t do that. I get a lot of walking in. The wife and I like to get out and bike ride. We have some good bike and hiking trails. Right now everyone is out doing the exercise thing. Trails becomes less populated the hotter the temps get. I like the heat much more than the cold. After today I have a definite farmer’s tan.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Tex, any local info on Danny Vanzandt, that SHC case in Muldrow? That has always intrigued me. I know they recently flew in an expert. The internet isn’t wielding much more. I wonder if they will ever figure that mystery out?

  145. Tex let me repeat what I said before, perhaps inarticulately the first time.

    I think the comparison of Snopes to factcheck is off. Factcheck IS political. Honestly I’ve never associated Snopes with politics. The few times I’ve gone there it was to read up on some Internet chain letter. I simply have no reason to suspect bias.

    Do a tired brotha a favor and research who runs Snopes. If you can show even three degrees of separation between Snopes and some liberal POS entity I’ll raise my next glass of ice tea in your honor.

  146. What is a good way to post a picture that can be seen by everyone? I guess the flicker type accounts work, though I am not willing to set one up at this time.

    I want to brag a little and show off the pool I just finished and started up today. I just posted it on my gravatar profile, but those are so tiny. I won’t do the FB thing right now, either.

    Anyhow, if anyone is interested, it is small but you can make out the rain curtain and some of the features…

  147. Lets set the record straight now that Muffy the reincarnated blow-hard has weighed in.

    First, ANYONE who has followed me and Tex over the past 6 or so years (which Muff has not) knows that I don’t begrudge him his early retirement. In fact I’ve often said how I’d trade places with him to which he has responded on his more honest days that early retirement is not all it’s cracked up to be.

    Second, when attacked I attack back. It was Tex who first made my job fodder for humor and despite his apology he has still gotten in his jabs. So pardon me if I get a bit snarky.

    And as for you Muffy, losing one’s job can have real impact. I’ve done all I can to keep things afloat since my 2007 layoff. You’re damn right I’ve taken on a job I might otherwise have not to literally pay for the milk. I seem to recall your losing your job within the past 18 months or so (correct me if I’m wrong) and since then you’ve transformed from a charming person who cares what she spews on the Internet (proven by the times you wrote me to remove comments you weren’t happy about) into a fairly nasty piece of work.

    So don’t lecture me about reversal of fortune and its consequences. Look in the f*cking mirror.

  148. Rutherford,

    BIC was perfect when he called this the neighborhood bar. And that’s what we do without the whiskey breath and the bar stools being flung.

    I can’t speak for your opinions, but Muffy really hasn’t changed all that much. Clowns like me may have coarsened her slang around the board so she can communicate with us Neanderthals which is human nature to adapt (she is after all the only gal on our side), but the Muffy I read hasn’t wavered a bit from what she stood for when she hit this board.

    Perhaps like me, Muffy got tired of your monotonous and mindless attacks on our faith – even those directed at me which without you recognizing, were an insult to her too. In your attempt to insult me and others, you were indirectly insulting millions including Muffy. And don’t deny it. I can tolerate a lot and the personal insults stick like teflon, but when you start to attack someone’s King and you do it frequently and you do it purposely, you are looking to make enemies and a line has been crossed.

    We Christians may not fly planes into buildings or make a habit of beheading people we disagree as most of us try albeit poorly to retain some semblance of Christ, but don’t think we don’t feel equally passionate about our faith as those crazies who were calling for the mother of all battles.

    And either you didn’t have a clue to the damage in relationship you were causing when you did it, or perhaps as I surmised because I really don’t consider you “stupid”, you weren’t this nice, civil but confused Democrat you wished to portray – and in fact, you were a nasty piece of work. If you’ve learned nothing else from us, you ought to at least retain from this day forward, if you want civil discussion, then insulting someone’s faith is the surest way to prevent it.

    When you started doing that some years back because we roughed up your boy and gave you a taste of what we had lived with for at least sixteen years from the other side, the gloves came off for me. I suspect that holds for others too. And other than our children, not much wasn’t fair game after that.

    Ever give consideration if you didn’t and don’t like the nastiness of the responses in return, you played no small part in the nastiness?

    At worst, Muffy has simply played by the rules you yourself set.

  149. Muffy, you are dealing some low blows in #169. So Rutherford had to sell the house to buy the milk. More kudos to him. I know a lot of people that just walked away and let the bank foreclose.
    So Tex smelled the roses and got pricked with thorns early while the rest were still inhaling. More power to him but don’t throw mud on Rutherford’s parade because he is willing to take any job that supplies the milk.
    Rutherford could also apply for disability which would pay a whole lot more than his dispatcher job as it is based on his previous salary.

  150. I like Muffy’s comments. They merely counter similar thoughts by the other side by Newt and Lurker. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

    However, I respect Rutherford for doing what he did to feed his family. He is a tall man as far as I am concerned. None of you will look it up, but it is your loss, not mine. Rutherford is like Aida Nikolaichuk, winner of X Factor Ukraine.

    She was a 29 year old cashier from Odessa who auditioned for the season 2 show. Judges stopped her in the middle of the song because they thought she was lip-syncing. She proved she was singing, and the audience went wild.

    Later, she was thrown out. but people watched the video and 400,000 voted her the Winner of X Factor online. She automatically went to season 3 and won.

    Like her, Rutherford is more than his job,though ironically the man he voted for is probably responsible for his situation.

    Dmistri Plotnikov wrote “She reminds me of someone…Can’t quite put my finger on it.” I can. Rutherford. He is a winner too.

    More power to Tex too.

  151. I don’t mind a heated debate challenging my faith. Iron sharpens iron. But in all honesty, “Christians’, and the acts done by them often in the name of God, has done the most to bring about the criticism.

    Anyone that knows the scripture knows to expect persecution and tribulation.

  152. Raji,

    You have once again misunderstood someone’s reference – in this case, Muffy’s reference to “milk money.” Because about half the time you go off half cocked. This bitch slap of ours is carry over from well before you took a seat at Rutherford’s bar. So if you’re going to enter the conversation, at least be wise enough to read up before you run your inane and massive mouth.

    ———

    Muffy was making the point that to mock somebody for retiring is pretty stupid when they aren’t costing anyone else a dime and certainly living more comfortably than the insulter.

    I have no earthly idea what this means as it appears you’ve mixed cliche to render your intent meaningless. Perhaps instead of attempting to be clever and cute, you should just attempt to be clear.

    So Tex smelled the roses and got pricked with thorns early while the rest were still inhaling. More power to him but don’t throw mud on Rutherford’s parade because he is willing to take any job that supplies the milk.

    Rutherford isn’t having a parade – he’s surviving like the rest of us.

    I can relate to Rutherford’s putting the ego in check better than you think, especially about Rutherford’s credential obviously over qualifying him for a mundane job. Fortunately for me so far, I haven’t had to take employment which I am sure I would find on par to Rutherford’s opportunity. Middle aged men in this country are persona non grata and I will no longer give some inferior breed appointed by nepotism an opportunity to play god in an HR room. Eight years of private college, four of which is still future, for my youngest is starting to tax me. And everything is going up – way up – in Obama’s economy and people are too uninformed, apathetic and frankly ignorant to notice it.

    But if Rutherford is going to say unflattering remarks about someone’s place in life, I/we am/are not going to sit here like some potted plant and let it go unchallenged – and are perfectly within our right to slap back.

    I can well imagine being a dispatcher is a drag, especially consider so many of us invested much time and dollars under a banner of false promises called higher education vis-a-vis opportunity. Just yesterday, I was contemplating how dishonest higher education has become and it made very angry what we are selling these young adults – because I was at one time one of those naive, young adults without mentor who bought the false promises. I believe I understand Rutherford’s lot much better than you do, because before the Grace of God go I. You won’t get that either.

    But I don’t give the pretentious, cloying horseshit act you frequently do of false friendship that you continually attempt to persuade on this board when you pick a side.

    You’re not only a petty, annoying coward – you’re an abject phony and a transparent one at that.

  153. Sorry about that Tex. Using the common English language I was complimenting you for making wise decisions.
    Have a nice day ;-)

  154. re: DR’s shoulder. I suspect the injection was not in the joint. I’m a little prejudiced of course, but it is always better to get a radiologist to do it under fluoroscopy, because he can SEE that it’s in the joint. The orthos who do it blind in their offices sometimes miss the joint. You should have had instant relief, then a so-so period of about a week, then life should have been good. My guess is he missed.

    re: riding someone’s ass because they lost their job. Bad ju-ju, boys. There but for the grace of God go us all. I’m not working, Tex is not working, Rutherford was out of work a long time, poolman sounds like he had a rough time there for a while. Couple of others, too. Like someone’s politics or not, being up against it is a hard thing.

    People in this country are going to have to support each other like they did in the ‘fifties where I grew up. My son’s best friend got cut back to three days a week at the local lawn and garden store; he stays with us most of the time because he can’t afford to live on his own. My older son is living with his mother, looking for work. My relatives are having a hell of a time making it. An old dude, long term friend of mine, comes and stays with us on a regular basis because he can’t afford to live alone and buy groceries. We’re trying to get him to stay permanently. He stayed for a month after Christmas; he’s coming for Easter and hopefully will stay longer this time. We had a pretty good year in our business and are giving part-time work (which we NEED; it’s not charity) to two programmers that are really up against it, and a friend of our daughter’s, who is doing Photoshop work for us to help support herself and her daddy-less baby. Maybe I’m just a pessimist, but things look pretty bleak at times.

    Didn’t mean to lecture anybody. Just my .05.

  155. Raji, be assured that nothing about my remark was meant to disparage Rutherford for getting a job.

    I joined the blog nearly two years ago right when Rutherford was in the process of selling his house. He had little humility then and hasn’t cultivated much since. He’s lippy to boot.

    Rutherford is forever mocking others for believing in a higher power when he has placed his hope in things that can only fail him. He consistently derides others for falling short, and at the very least he gives as good as he gets. He likes to stir up mischief and giggle and dance around the fires he lights, and then play “who, me?” for an encore. I suppose that one day I would start asking out loud, “How dare he?”

    I don’t have an answer for you @ #197, but instead I’ll borrow BIC’s eloquence when he did the classy thing and just put Rutherford in the rear view mirror.

    ”I used to think that you were simply ignorant, but it appears to me that instead, there is something inside you that is dark, and leaps with joy at the idea that declaring the primacy of man, and leaning on his own understanding alone, doesn’t just make you superior to the ones you believe you have put down, but that you have somehow caused them pain or grieved their spirit.”

  156. Muffy -

    Belief or non-belief does not make you a good or a bad man. As a lifelong atheist, I can tell you that you will get along a lot better with folks like Rutherford if you drop that topic from conversation and get over the idea that it’s a litmus test for someone’s goodness.

    Yes, perhaps R does like the idea of the primacy of man, as do I, but much of that joy comes from rubbing people’s noses in it who have given him so much irritation about religion. Not the adult thing to do, but I think you can understand how someone might derive a little perverse pleasure from it. I know I certainly do.

    My wife and I are honorary members of a local church and we all get along fabulously, because the don’t dog me about my non-belief and I don’t tease them about theirs. We work together on community projects and never bring up the topic. It’s called “respect.”

    Unfortunately, when someone starts in on me about that stuff, I’m not mature enough to not retaliate, and sometimes, when I feel particularly mischievous, I bring up the topic myself, just to have a little fun, but in the long run it’s a bad idea and makes enemies. I’m sure R is the same way. But the fact is, it’s his blog and he can talk about whatever he darn well pleases.

  157. I can believe that you mean well, Doc, but I’m having a hard time relating to the place you’ve put me in your story.

    In any case, no one is arguing that Rutherford can’t talk about what he damn well pleases. What’s being called into question seems to be – can I?

    I don’t subscribe to the notion that Rutherford be afforded any special liberties with other peoples’ feelings or secrets or buttons because he owns the blog. I’m sorry, I just don’t.

  158. Sorry about that Tex. Using the common English language I was complimenting you for making wise decisions.
    Have a nice day ;-)

    If that’s your idea of compliment, I’d hate to read your insult. :roll: Do you honestly think that we’re that stupid? That’s actually more insulting that you trying to insult.

  159. But the fact is, it’s his blog and he can talk about whatever he darn well pleases.

    That’s blatant dishonesty, Doc. But first, not one person I know of here has disputed Rutherford’s right to post anything he pleases. It’s also his right to tell everyone of us go screw ourselves. I assume Rutherford chooses to let us stay like the perverse pleasure one receives in a grudge match or a demolition derby.

    But you of all people don’t leave well enough alone. Your very first post here before anybody but Poolman and I knew who you were, was to make sport of the Christian faith and very actively go seeking to offend. And you’re most certainly not an equal opportunity critic.

    But what you ask us believers to do is really fascism lite. It’s the same double standard that I bust Rutherford’s balls about in his selective memory and selective application concerning politic. Your discussion of atheism and so few lions the other day? Tickled me. Really, it did. Not original but still funny. But asking me to be careful about defending my faith – especially after the “nonsense” has been demeaned in the most vile and dishonest of ways which is what you and Rutherford predictably resort to when the argument isn’t going your way?

    I don’t find a great deal of balance in your insistence of debate rule application there.

    Now I don’t blame you for having plenty of ammunition to mock people calling themselves Christian. “Lord” knows you’ve got a full plate to choose from. Frankly, it’s been my experience that most calling themselves Christian are more fan than follower, of which a guy like you perfectly situated to distinguish and clever enough to mock. Fair enough. Then you’ve got the occasional loose cannon like me who can’t find himself able to shake the dust and shut up which only makes a tense situation worse and apparently many are terribly uncomfortable when two mouthy tyrants with a gift for gab go at it. That too is a fault. As I have admitted before, it is impossible to be like Christ, as that a standard I can’t possibly keep.

    But it’s entirely different matter when you go seeking to mock Christ and His apostles. You ought to leave that part well enough alone if you’re going to insist on civility around these parts.

  160. It’s Bob Dobbs. It just looked so PFessorial that I had to steal it.

    Also reminds me of my old friend, Jerry F., chair of Aero Engineering at my college years ago, who helped me redesign my ultralight so’s I didn’t kill myself. Before the days of Internet, he used to give up his entire Christmas holiday every year to patch phone calls from military men home to their families. Good man; every time I see the avatar I think of him.

  161. My shoulder pain seems to have peeked and is subsiding. I know I sound like a pussy about it…..but it was KILLING me. I can even put my own shirt on now.

    This is good news. I think the Pfessor is right. I think he missed. I go to a doc that probably isn’t the best. He will do things others won’t do, like give me a second cortisone shot in two weeks just so I can play a tournament. Stuff like that.

    I’m going to take the next week off.

    He lets me make my own decisions even if it might not be the best long term route.

    The only thing he refuses to give me (and I’ve never asked for it…just about it) is testosterone replacement therapy.

    I’ve seen this resurgence of guys Tex’s ages slashing and burning on the court and diamond, all taking test. My brother, a pharmacist, says the minute he turns 40 he’s doing it. He also says a ton of middle aged docs are writing the scripts for themselves.

    He says there all on two things. Testosterone and Aderal.

    Personally, I don’t like being dependent on anything.

  162. Yeah..by the way…I can’t being retired is fodder for ball busting. It’s awesome Tex is retired.

    In fact….I keep thinking of that Waylen Jennings song that goes “I ain’t no ordinary dude I don’t have to work.”

  163. Tex, it’s hilarious seeing the satan avatar while reading your comment. :lol:

    Waylon! Now we’re talking. Puts me right back in Lubbock. Unless God makes it, don’t take it rabbit. My 1.5 centavos worth.

    Is it true Rutherford is answering AAA calls from New Dehli? Thought maybe that was influencing his bitchedness. :grin:

  164. One of my favorite points made by Dr. Carson is that Congress has a 9% approval rating, yet they have a 90% return rate come elections.

  165. Tex, it’s hilarious seeing the satan avatar while reading your comment.

    It is rather contradictory, isn’t it? :smile:

    I look at it this way, Poolman. Being a student of the Word, you and I both recognize Satan is not a horned devil with tail or an Obama look alike, but an angel of light – the most stunning of all angels.

    What the world would like to perceive of the hideousness of Satan, is another in a long list of deceit Satan practices as he works in rage.

    So, I figure – what the hey? Other than the occasional funny, what’s the most obnoxious Obama picture I can find? That’s what I choose. When I find another Obama picture posing the turd in the absolute worst light, I’ll switch.

    However, I found Pfesser’s gravatar so amusing, Pfesser may have inspired me to switch course. Obama is such a bore anymore and so overplayed, nobody notices and Rutherford can’t even be offended.

    Secretly, Rutherford knows Obama is a fraud too.

  166. “Is it true Rutherford is answering AAA calls from New Dehli? Thought maybe that was influencing his bitchedness. :grin:

    I did forget to tell you guys about the forced relocation. At least the lamb curry is good here. :-)

  167. The British did invent the language, Pfessor.

    A Norwegian study also shows a basically stable climate recently.

    I like 219. That is funny.

  168. I have found me a new fun hobby. I am on several right-wing blogs that are what I would call religious extreme. Well meaning but in my opinion way overboard and rigid in their beliefs.

    What I like about them is that they are more willing to have a lengthy discussion. To really dig in and have a serious back and forth on topics where there is disagreement. They can admit on their own when they are wrong for the most part don’t often use dishonest methods to “win” for the sake of winning. Ultimately it is a more sincere group by enlarge.

    What I don’t like is some of the more religious among them are too rigid. These same people are more often not willing to have a real discussion. They are more interested in telling you what they think and based on that how it makes someone else wrong. Their goal seems more bent on converting to their beliefs rather than having an honest argument.

    As R and his fair-weather Liberal friends have all but stopped making meaningful contributions you might consider checking out some of these other places. I generally avoid traditional Conservative blogs because it ends up that everyone just pats each other on the back. I have found it meaningful for me to talk with others who share my point of view in a general way but have gone off the reservation in a couple of areas. Maybe dealing with some of the fringe in our own party can help consolidate our cause and our message.

  169. Noah@222

    Are you familiar with Bierce’s “Devil’s Dictionary?” Here are a few definitions from it on religion:

    “Abstainer, n. Weak man who yields to the temptation of denying himself a pleasure.”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil’s Dictionary)

    “Baptism, n. A sacred rite of such efficacy that he who finds himself in heaven without having undergone it will be unhappy forever. It is performed with water in two ways — by immersion, or plunging, and by aspersion, or sprinkling.”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil’s Dictionary)

    “Bigot, n. One who is obstinately and zealously attached to an opinion that you do not entertain.”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil’s Dictionary)

    “Christian, n. One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent with a life of sin.”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil’s Dictionary)

    “Christian, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbors.”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil’s Dictionary)

    “Convent, n. A place of retirement for woman who wish for leisure to meditate upon the vice of idleness.”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil’s Dictionary)

    “Destiny, n. Tyrant’s authority for crime, and a fool’s excuse for failure.”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil’s Dictionary)

    “Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil’s Dictionary)

    “Heathen, n. A benighten creature who has the folly to worship something that he can see and feel.”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil’s Dictionary)

    “Impiety, n. Your irreverence toward my deity”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil’s Dictionary)

    “Infidel, n. In New York, one who does not believe in the Christian religion; in Constantinople, one who does.”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil’s Dictionary)

    “Pray, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy.”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil’s Dictionary)

    “Prelate, n. A church officer having a superior degree of holiness and a fat preferment. One of Heaven’s aristocracy. A gentleman of God.”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil’s Dictionary)

    “Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable.”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil’s Dictionary)

    “Reverence: the spiritual attitude of a man to a god and a dog to a man.”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914)

    “Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited.”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil’s Dictionary)

    “Scriptures, n. The sacred books of our holy religion, as distinguished from the false and profane writings on which all other faiths are based.”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil’s Dictionary)

    “War is God’s way of teaching Americans geography.”
    (Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914)

  170. Noah – sorry, I forgot to add that maybe you could use some of that to soften up the hardshells in your ultraconservative blog travels.

  171. Pfesser, that article is beautiful. I said the same thing a couple of years ago while under a brutal winter and was patronized by the left for my lack of credential. No matter what the climate, the null hypothesis could never be rejected. I told them I had a problem with their validity. They were apoplectic.

    Drought √
    Flood √
    Heat √
    Cold √
    Snow √

    May favorite part:

    I’m sure I know what Beddington would say in reply to this. “Weather is not climate.” No, indeed. But it’s an argument which would surely carry a lot more weight if Beddington and his alarmist brethren hadn’t spent most of the Nineties and Noughties citing the hot summers and mild winters as evidence of man-made global warming. Later, as we know, they amended their scare-phrase to the more inclusive “climate change”. Then, growing more desperate as global mean temperatures stubbornly refused to rise with the alacrity their dodgy computer models predicted they would, they even had a stab at popularising “global climate disruption” and “global weirding”.

    Global weirding? :lol:

  172. I suppose it is a measure of how much I have put BIC in my “rear view mirror” that I have either never seen the quote that Muffy attributes to him or I have simply forgotten it. Either way, it is melodrama. When it comes to religious criticism I am a marshmallow compared to the late Christopher Hitchens who skewers religion in the nastiest most dismissive ways possible.

    I know it’s hard for conservatives to hold more than one thought in mind at the same time but I CAN find organized religion based on fantasy and quite peculiar and hypocritical AND acknowledge everyone’s right to their own belief system. I find it interesting that my most stinging attacks on conservatism are never met with hurt feelings or sensitivities but my relatively restrained attacks on organized religion get certain folk’s bowels in an uproar. And of all people, Muffy, who has never to my knowledge made it clear where she is on the worship spectrum, to call me to task for it, really confuses me.

    Let us also pop another balloon here and I choose my words very carefully on this one. I applaud Tex for having made good financial decisions in his younger years that allowed him to be reckless in his older years. This notion that I dis for Tex for retiring is nonsense because Tex NEVER in the traditional sense retired. He quit his job in a snit. He then pursued a medical degree and decided that was not for him. There was no gold watch. There was no retirement party. So before everyone accuses me of begrudging someone’s retirement (which I agree IS irrational) let’s make sure we define our terms.

    I got married late. I had my child late. I did zero networking in the mistaken belief I had a job for life. In contrast, Tex had a more “normal” evolution and made wise financial choices which as I said earlier allowed him more latitude in later life.

    Bottom line, dissing anyone’s line of work is out of order. Part of the reason I am doing the job I am doing is that I am wracked with guilt that my wife had the sole burden of contributing to our income for the past six years. No matter how comfortable Tex is, I am surprised that he doesn’t think twice about his wife providing the only income stream to their family. But that, I readily admit, is none of my business … and I’ll only bring it up when attacked for my choices.

  173. This notion that I dis for Tex for retiring is nonsense because Tex NEVER in the traditional sense retired. He quit his job in a snit. He then pursued a medical degree and decided that was not for him. There was no gold watch. There was no retirement party. So before everyone accuses me of begrudging someone’s retirement (which I agree IS irrational) let’s make sure we define our terms.

    Wahhh…I didn’t get a gold watch. That’s true. I did leave in a snit but at least I got in a “You can kiss my ass…” before I left. You’re just jealous because you too have the capacity to be a lazy ass and now you’ve had to return to the oars. I’m still treading water. Soon, I’ll be joining you on the ass end of the ship, where we make each other miserable. Private school done cleaned me out.

    I did get a table saw from my wife on her 35th anniversary with the company – only professional job she’s had. That’s even better than the gold watch. :smile: Told me without my “sacrifice”, she couldn’t have done what she did. Naive to be sure, but you can’t knock Mrs. Taylor’s generosity, now can you?

    Guilt? Maybe. Only in my weaker moments. Look at the trade off. Mrs. Taylor only has to tolerate me about eight days a month and that’s her limit. In turn, she doesn’t have to come home and clean the toilets. That’s my specialty from three degrees and you could eat out of our toilets when I am through with them. Isn’t higher education a wonderful thing?

    My wife is nicer than your wife, my wife is nicer than yours. Mice wife is nicer because she’s from a generation, a generation not associated with feministic whores…
    :smile:

    And Mr. Poolman finally nailed me to the cross. Did seem a little awkward to be scolding Pfesser for being a heathen with an Obama Satan avatar beside my name. So I turned over a new leaf.

  174. Noah noted the fair weather friends who only visit infrequently. As I noted, we are wolves and they are coyotes.

    I am not a conservative, but I juggle more than one thought at a time. Religion doesn’t arouse especially strong emotions for me.

    Dr. Elwyn Taylor, (do you have any Mormon relatives Tex?) extension climatologist for ISU says we are approaching the climax of two cycles. The stronger will take us back to 1936 by 2024. Our climate will gradually warm, and it will become extreme as it did during the 1920′s and 1930′s. We may cool after that.

    I think you and your wife deserve each other in a good way Tex, the same as someone told my wife and me at yesterday’s funeral.

    Paleantologists studied 10,000 years of southern plains weather and discovered that 5,000 years ago, the climate was so harsh the Indians and buffalo left. Farther north, short grass- prairies invaded Iowa, and Indians reverted from agriculture to semi nomadic hunting. Cousins of the Black Feet Indians left southeast South Dakota and decamped to North Dakota.

    The researchers said that for western Oklahoma the current climate
    is about as good as it gets.

    Around 10,000 to 15,000 years, our ancestors endured unspeakable weather which changed from warmer than now to ice age conditions within a few generations. Populations were decimated, and entire communities and tribes died as the Finns and Sami nearly did. Their legacy is the mutant blondes and light colored eyes who spread their seed through much of the world.

    Let the global warmists explain past cataclisms before we had automobiles. Let them explain blonds and blue eyes.

  175. James – I have been wondering about this, and the climate discussion reminded me.

    Back before white men came, why were there no trees on the prairie, like there were in the eastern part of the US?

  176. The prairie is really similar in many ways to high, arid desert.

    That and the accompanying lack of precipitation during drought is which is far more common on the plains with a much longer dry season – something really not conducive to large, deciduous trees like you have on the coasts. Plus there are fewer natural barriers to the elements.

    Pretty weird, isn’t it? Some of the most fertile soil in the world with tall grass and not much else.

    If you were to drive from say Stillwater, OK to Tulsa, there is a very noticeable change in vegetation. We have an abundance of large, deciduous trees where I live. 30 miles west, it’s practically all cedar and plant crop.

  177. Thanks. I drove through there and noticed that there were plenty of trees by the rivers, but none on the prairie.

    My wife and I are talking about taking a trip in our old Cessna to that part of the world later on this summer. I have a relative in St. Louis she’s wanted to meet for a long while. It will be interesting seeing it all from above. You in Tulsa, Tex?

  178. That’s right, Pfessor, our landscape was as old settlers said, “bald.” Trees did grow near rivers and lakes, of course. Tall grass prairie grew in wetter places like the Missouri River valley. One of my ancestors said one could ride a horse with grass up to his shoulders. River boats appeared to float on the horizon because a flood had apparently cut out part of the bank holding trees.

    As Tex noted, the prairie is similar to a desert but with more average rainfall. Indians helped create the prairie with fire. They set fires to drive buffalo and to improve the next season’s grass. Lightning and other factors also started fires. One which started near Chadron, Nebraska burned over four hundred miles to the Missouri River.

    Such flat, open landscape makes it easier for the wind to blow. The plains have been compared to an ocean. We have lots of wind which fosters evaporation that hinders the growth of woody plants..

    The Loess Hills bordering the Missouri River were formed by wind blown dirt during droughts between ice ages and by gravel and rock deposits during glaciation. The Loess Hills are unique to the area. They host yucca, short bunch grass, and other plants native to the plains 150 miles west. Some animals live no where else in Iowa. I suspect the life forms are a relic of one of the centuries old droughts which have afflicted the region over the years. One of the last occurred about a thousand years ago.

    Many trees which remain were planted during the Dust Bowl to protect land from the wind. The lack of wide- spread grass fires has fostered the growth of trees where none were. A period of cooler, wetter weather after 1940 helped trees grow too.

    A few cottonwood and willow trees which were alive during the pioneer era remain by an old lake on our land.

  179. Tex mentioned the fertile ground. I visited Holt County, Nebraska because my MA on irrigation during the 1890′s included the area. After the Russian wheat deal, some ranchers plowed up the grass and installed center pivots. A few claimed to have 200 bushel corn without using fertilizer. Grain prices fell later as the farm recession developed, and farmers abandoned many of the fields.

    I like being able to see twenty miles.

  180. Where do you live approximately, James? That is if you don’t mind telling.

    I am in Tulsa, Pfesser. For too long. Fourty-six years, minus the schooling. Thirty years ago, Tulsa was one of the best kept secrets in America – one of the greatest mid-sized cities around and few knew it outside this part of the country. An outrageous amount of old oil money still remains here so we actually had fine arts equivalent to many of the major cities like Chicago and San Fran, minus the riff raff. Lots of water and lots of green, nice museums, etc… Beautiful art deco decoration on the downtown buildings and in fact, claimed the world’s first billionaire in J. Paul Getty.

    But over the last 30 years, the petroleum companies have moved south to Houston and Dallas and there is no doubt, slowly but surely, our beautiful city is starting to disintegrate like the big cities. I don’t notice it until I drive back from Houston. Where I once lived in the new part of town, it’s now considered mid town. Like every place else, there’s been a white flight to the ‘burbs. And it shows.

    My family by this fall will all be in Texas besides me. If it weren’t for my two elderly parents, I would demand to join them. The America I knew is slowly starting to vanish. I’m actually kind of jealous of the James’ locale, as that becomes more appealing as I get older – wide open spaces.

    I used to travel to western Kansas on business by myself. One day, I went by the office and it was closed. It was 25 miles from any populace. And it was so quite standing in the wheat fields, all I could hear was the wind.

    I sat down for what seemed like an hour and just listened. I still think about that.

  181. Wahhh…I didn’t get a gold watch.

    Now c’mon. You know damn well that I don’t think you miss the gold watch one bit. That wasn’t my point. My only point was that Muffy and Rabbit painting me as some loon offended by retirement when you didn’t retire in the first place is off base.

    To change the topic only slightly, the norms we grew up with are down the toilet. How many of us can really enjoy traditional retirement? As I used up my 401K to keep me in my old home a bit longer, a part of me didn’t give a damn because I knew I’d have to work at something until I dropped dead anyway. There was no way any pension plus SS was going to keep me living in the “manner to which I’ve grown accustomed”, as they say in divorce proceedings. My wife and I still have our retirement dream but I know the odds are 100 to 1 against it ever happening.

  182. This is just for Rutherford and maybe Tex so don’t blame me if you don’t know how to scroll.

    Rutherford, you’ve made fun of Tex before for not having a job when all the while he was meeting his obligations and beyond (ie: private schooling his children K-12 plus college, etc.). I must have had that thought 3 or 4 times before throwing it into a comment. None of which by the way had anything to do with the suitableness of your current job. The fact is I don’t think J-O-B is a four-letter word like Jamoke Biden does, and I don’t trip on how above your job you are. You do.

    I could just as easily have said “sell his blood” – and had it occurred to me I would have for style alone. Nevertheless your reaction to my insensitivity was more melodramatic than anything BIC wrote about you. Not only was it most well-turned, it is most fitting. I imagine it took you no longer to dismiss his missive than it did to read it.

    As far I can tell your insights on spirituality and/or organized religion inspire little more than a scratch of the head by one or two who wonder why you wrote of it in the first place. Sometimes the general disinterest comes with a side of ill-will. You gab of these matters with a level of frequency that suggests that you have something of import to say. But you don’t. Worse, you duck the hard questions and mock those who take them on.

  183. One last comment on the Muffy lecture. I am puzzled as hell by the notion that I was in any way arrogant or lacked humility when I had to sell my home. Where the hell did you get THAT from Muffy? I thought I was pretty damn frank about how selling my home was like a death in the family. I thought I was pretty damn frank about how shrinking my living quarters by two thirds was a major kick in the ass.

    What more did you want me to say Muffy? Well here you go sweetheart … the very last day that we packed up to move out and the moving truck was gone and the house was empty and my kid was in the car waiting for us to go to the hotel, I asked my wife to leave me alone in the house for a few moments. While she waited in the garage, I walked through the house, tears running down my face. It was the biggest symbol of how much I had achieved and how much I had lost. I was in there so long, that it crossed my wife’s mind that I might have secreted a gun somewhere in the house and was going to shoot myself. I did finally come out of course and pulled myself together before I had to face my kid again.

    I’ve never portrayed my change of fortune on this blog as anything but something about which I am ashamed and still in deep mourning. I got a picture Xmas card from an old neighbor in December and welled up because I saw that beautiful front yard … a yard I once had.

    So honestly Muffy, I don’t get it. I don’t know if you ever “liked” me but I always thought you gave me the benefit of the doubt. What switched you off still eludes me but hey, this is the Internet and we really don’t know who the hell the other person really is so I guess it doesn’t matter what you think of me.

  184. I wrote 239 before seeing 238. Now I know my memory ain’t what it used to be but I can’t recall any habit of making fun of Tex not having a job so Muffy, I don’t know WTF you’re talking about. I have frequently made fun of Tex not having a BLOG because he used to be so opinionated about how a blog should look, how many visitors it should have, etc etc.

    And the notion that you feel that I think I am “above” my job is your problem not mine. Any work that puts bread on the table and is legal is praiseworthy. I am no saint, but I do gain a bit of satisfaction from the fact that this is the first job I’ve had in my adult life where I am really helping people. Don’t get me wrong … I’m no doctor, police man or fireman. But I do help get people out of a jam on a daily basis. I spent the previous 30 years essentially pushing paper and no one would have suffered one bit if my job disappeared (as it eventually did).

    But I will tell you this. I know my parents didn’t pour their hard earned money into a college education for me to be a call receiver. My Dad worked two jobs to get me through college. So yeah, that part DOES pain me a bit.

    You have any more judgments you’d like to throw down?

    You know it occurs to me that you are quite “lippy” to use your term, about me when you’ve shared next to nothing meaningful about yourself on this blog. I don’t really know a damn thing about you and I am beginning to wonder if I filled in the blanks totally wrong.

  185. R, you have changed, and not for the better. You have become more condescending, judgmental, and petty and in a way that is even abnormal for you. Most everything that made you interesting a year ago has vanished. Sorry if I put too much sunshine and rainbows into that assessment. You’ve lost you way, I hope you find it again.

    Thanks for the info Pf. Looks worthy of a read. I’ll check it out.

    229 James This is about the only thing that makes me feel bad for R. Not one of his “people” has stood by his side. I have to imagine that is an incredibly sinking feeling watching them scatter like cockroaches.

    Religion, aside from my own personal beliefs, is a fascinating thing for me, both in subject and in the people. I am as much into exploring the subject as I am in people watching and learning what they get out of it and why. It is better than any show on TV, and there is almost never a rerun.

    238. spot on.

  186. Rutherford, this is way too long. Sorry – time to revert back to the diet. I’m falling into that old trap. Please read it all anyway. It’s personal but not so personal it had to be shared in an email.

    ———–

    I don’t understand after this last year how you couldn’t possibly comprehend why several of us grew tired of your act and may have appeared to turn on you.

    Now that I think about it, your the change in attitude and approach apparently correlated closely to your move. Whatever the reason, you’ve changed and not for the better. You used to be a happy guy, a funny guy, albeit a confused one. When I left, you were a bitter, little old man. I doubt your detractors here are important enough for the personality change. So I would venture this move was a lot harder on you than you let on.

    So let me be frank. First the bad.

    You’ve gone from interesting blogger with a leftist slant, to Obama sycophant, to rank propagandist for the cause. When Obama start failing and several of us pointed that fact out about how you were a hypocrite for not calling him on the failure as you so loudly did with George Bush, you reverted to mendacious enabler and nasty, irreligious prick. We won’t even mention the selective memory, application and standards, and failure to notice the trail of broken promises that outdid anything about WMD. Throw in the Giffords and the Trigs, your penchant for never answering our questions, and my opinion of you begin to really change. I suspect others did too.

    So what makes you think Muffy wouldn’t be just as offended as I was about faith? When you mock one Christian about their belief, you’re mocking them all. Don’t you understand that? When you mock someone’s faith, you’re meaning to offend in the most personal way possible. You did it in the general sense – not specifically at me. That made it worse.

    ——

    Now about your house. You and your wife were about one of ten million naive enough to buy way more house than you could afford. I understand the temptation. Perhaps that was the joy you and your wife obtained – its a personal decision. That’s your call. Hell, I’m not knocking you for buying or selling. I’m scolding you for not selling sooner. I admire and appreciate that you didn’t take the easy way out as so many did and left the rest of us to pay for the folly. The only reason I recommended what I did to the Rabbit as because the bank was screwing him. I’d have done the same with you.

    ——-

    Now, the conclusion to return where you and I started five years ago.

    My life is not trouble free. I had a brother-in-law who put his foot in it two summers ago by asking what the hell I was doing in front of the family – and the message was crystal clear about where he was leading. He’s old school – the man works, the woman takes care of the kids. And until that moment, I liked my in-laws as they’ve become extended family over 26 years. Now, I’m debating even being around them. Paranoid or not, I’m sure that has been discussed elsewhere out of my presence and certainly not in front of my wife.

    You asked me if I ever felt a shred of guilt for coasting? The answer would be yes. It’s not fair to my wife and it is not fair to my kids. But…I am taking care of two elderly parents on occasion. And those occasions are predicated when they need me at a moment’s notice. The last two months, it has begin to bother me that the last three years after I left school, I’m out of excuses for leaving my wife to do the the lifting. But I just don’t give a shit anymore. I have zero ambition and after this last election, I’m sad to say I don’t much are what happens to this country either. My wife I’m convinced doesn’t mind the situation and money is not currently an issue – it’s livable. But I do.

    At the very least, I ought to be doing the same thing you are as it now appears we will be paying for four more years of college for my youngest. I can’t in good faith let a kid walk out to a $60K job (she’s been told she could make $100K – bullshit) with $200K in student loan debt. My daughter is too young to realize the economic situation and the consequences.

    More importantly, it’s terribly unhealthy to be a man without purpose. I’ve realized that for quite sometime.

    ————

    Understand from 2005 until 2009, I was mother and father at least three weeks out of each month. The result was two kids that made straight ‘A’s through high school and by the Grace of God weren’t adversely affected, other than dad isn’t quite the swell guy he was when they were in middle school. It was a strain and to be honest, other than my wife unappreciated. But that alone so slowed my pace to medical school that by the time I finished the prerequisites and got accepted, I was an old man and had lost interest. I went through the motions twice and you can’t do that in medical school – burned $30K for my troubles.

    I’m not saying I earned retirement. I didn’t. I’m not retired. I do things around the house because it gives me more of a sense of accomplishment than work did. Sad, isn’t it?

    From checking the ego to putting up with stooges that couldn’t carry your jock to the field in the way of talent, is so distasteful that frankly, I would as soon be thought of as a bum. If I feel like I really am becoming a burden, I’ll end that problem one way or another.

    A six figure job putting up with that garbage was miserable. A menial salary to do the same would be unbearable. I wish you luck. I’m not sure I could do what you are doing. And you should know even when I am giving you a hard time, I grudgingly admire what you’re doing. The field isn’t level for guys our age. And I’ve had just about enough of this privileged male bullshit.

    ——–

    Finally,

    I want to apologize on the board to you for being a nasty prick myself towards you during this last election season. Pfesser is right. It’s your board and your nastiness doesn’t excuse my nastiness. I said some things about you I shouldn’t have. Much of it I didn’t mean.

  187. Unfortunately for both of us, Tex, we share some characteristics – the most prominent of which is an inability to be slapped around for very long before we retaliate. I had the same situation you describe in my last job, when the Evil Empire bought out my little hospital and brought in its own radiology group. They were already overstaffed, as several members who were planning to retire failed to do so in the wake of the last four years of economic collapse in America. Because I had been there for a long time, though, they were careful to not just fire me; they made it so unpleasant that I resigned. (I was scheduled to be on 54 days in a row, including weekends, without a break.) They should at least have had the balls to say what they wanted up front, instead of wasting six months of my time and theirs.

    But, also like yourself, I don’t rely on one income, and to their dismay, when I quit, I didn’t have to move. I’m sitting right here in this little town like the proverbial turd in the punch bowl, waiting for my two-year non-compete to run out. Don’t know what I’ll do yet – maybe open an imaging center – but hopefully it will be enough to get the point across, and take a lot of their business.

    In the meantime, I’m adhering to that old adage about, “Living well is the best revenge.” We’re not living high on the hog, but They Don’t Know That, and every chance I get, I drop by the hospital to “check on how everybody’s doing” – and watch those radiologists and administrators who HAVE to work there struggle under the manifold beauties of trying to deliver health care these days, under the socialists.

    It will only get worse for them. Hope they are happy. I certainly am.

  188. Tex, we live in the Missouri River valley on the border between Omaha and Sioux City. The valley is as flat as a table. We can see hills 25 miles northeast and a grain elevator 20 miles north from our upstairs window. Our nearest neighbor lives two miles away. The land is rolling outside of the valley, and trees are taking over, The true high plains in Kansas southward are as flat as our valley. Though we are on the edge of the Omaha metropolitan area our county has only four traffic lights, and more people lived in our son’s ISU dorm than occupy all of the towns in our county. our school district is about 60 miles long.

    Farther west, in the Nebraska Sand Hills ranchers sell feeder cattle to farmers on the edge of the plains. Sign posts mark ranches instead of towns. Cherry County in northern Nebraska is larger than Rhode Island but has fewer than 20,000 people. High school children board in town over the week. Small country schools still exist for young children. That area has a different culture where cowboys still live and work. Deb Fisher, who beat Bob Kerry for Senate in the lasts election is with her husband, a cattle rancher.

    I know how you felt when you stood in a Kansas wheat field. I feel the same when the dog and I go skiing on our farm. I loved living in the UK, but I missed the open land. Exploring the Scottish and Cornwall Moors surprised me. It was almost like being in Wyoming, especially in the Scotlsh Highlands. One can drive for miles without seeing another car, but sheep are as numerous as cattle are in the Sand Hills.

    Ancestors from both sides of my family lived in Britain for a several hundred years after moving from Denmark. In a way, it was like coming home in the UK. Another thing I learned is Scots and Welch don’t especially like the English. When we were in Wales stores the customers and store keepers switched to the Welsh language when Brits walked in. I told someone my ancestors immigrated from Wales, and he said “you’re one of us.”

    An e pal lives in Tulsa. So did Gary Shore, a television meteorologist who received an award from the Oklahoma State legislature for saving lives with a tornado warning. My e pal socialized with the Shores.

    Everyone who knew him liked Gary. He and I talked about the weather, and he said he would like to visit the hill where we snowboarded.,

    Garry had also found God and was a good Christian after a dark past. He died of a heart attack while preparing the evening weather forecast. We then learned he had recreated himself from a bleak abused past Not even his name was real. They played some of his favorite songs before the service began. The first was Gordon Lightfoot’s “If you could Read My Mind”

  189. “If You Could Read My Mind” has been described as the most perfectly-written song in all of rock-n-roll. My understanding is that it is about Lightfoot’s first marriage.

    Story goes that in the following lines

    …And if you read between the lines
    You’ll know that I’m just tryin’ to understand
    The feelin’s that you lack…

    Lightfoot’s daughter convinced him to change the line to “the feelin’s that WE lack” so it didn’t blame his wife for everything. Don’t know if that’s true.

    Great, great song.

  190. The Agricultural Appropriations Bill, which passed through Congress last week, was a small provision that’s a big deal for Monsanto and its opponents. The provision protects genetically modified seeds from litigation in the face of health risks and has thus been dubbed the “Monsanto Protection Act” by activists who oppose the biotech giant. President Barack Obama signed the spending bill, including the provision, into law on Tuesday by Obama. Anyone want to bet there is a money trail on this one?

  191. Monsanto Protection Act
    ]Date:Mar 21, 2013 (113th Congress)Result:PassedRelated Bill:H.R. 933: Consolidated and Further Continuing Appropriations Act, 2013
    Introduced by Rep. Harold “Hal” Rogers [R-KY5] on March 4, 2013
    Current Status: Signed by the President

    Totals Republican Democrat
    Yea 318 74% 203 115
    Nay 109 25% 27 82
    Not Voting 4 1% 1 3
    Required: Simple Majority

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/113-2013/h89?utm_campaign=govtrack_feed&utm_source=govtrack/

    Let’s follow the money trail.

  192. Are you surprised, Lurker? Between Monsanto and our politicians there has always been a revolving door.

    If they can’t kill us one way, it will be another. But not until they wring every ounce of worth out of us. They have a disasterous record in the world. I pray they will all implode.

  193. Money trails and revolving doors aside, I support the Monsanto protection bill and am glad Obama signed it into law.

    We first planted genetically altered soy beans in 1996, and later corn when it was available. Such plants allowed us to no till our land which saved carbon emissions that would otherwise have leached from the soil into the atmosphere.No till brought back earth worms and other organisms who’s populations were reduced by application of NH3 fertilizer and tilling the soil.

    Eco terrorists have destroyed fields of experimental crops in this and other countries, and they can and would file frivilus law suits as Sarah Palin’s enemies did.

    These crops have increased the food supply and reduced world hunger. More developments are on the way.

    Branches of the money trail lead back to mid western farmers.

    Cudos to Obama and the legislators who voted the bill into law.

  194. I’m EST so I am going to bed but I very much hope lurker will return and offer something other than the cut & paste regards the falsely titled “Monsanto Protection Act (bill/law etc)”
    I look forward to additions to the thread during my morning cup of coffee.
    nighty night.

  195. What’s my point? For one thing I had left this off my original comment. There is more than one person responsible for allowing this. Who allowed Monsanto to write the bill? Why wasn’t it reviewed? Do any of these pols read what they are voting for? Does anyone give a good shit or is it just about the next election? I guess this is my point.
    Also I understand Monsanto has a pesticide? that is known to cause cancer. So they have invested in cancer clinics.

    “The provision, also decried as a “biotech rider,” should have gone through the Agricultural or Judiciary Committees for review. Instead, no hearings were held, and the piece was evidently unknown to most Democrats (who hold the majority in the Senate) prior to its approval as part of HR 993, the short-term funding bill that was approved to avoid a federal government shutdown.

    Senator John Tester (D-MT) proved to be the lone dissenter to the so-called Monsanto Protection Act, though his proposed amendment to strip the rider from the bill was never put to a vote.”

    This *&^%$# computer is about to go through a window.

  196. JAL – Apple laptops have lasted me an average of 5 yrs each, with approximately zero glitches, locks, other failures. When I get a new one, I just hook it to my old one with a cable, go get a cup of coffee, and in about 20 minutes my new one is an exact clone of the old. Haven’t had to throw a single one out of anything. It just works.

    (My Apple fanboi script. LOL)

  197. My wife and i are part of a longitudinal study to determine if farmers suffer higher rates of cancer or other ills associated with farming.

    24 D is a cheap and effective herbicide for broad leaf weeds. Farmers have used it for years. I believe it is chemically related to Agent Orange which did cause cancer in Vietnam soldiers who used it.

    In 1974, I was spraying away from home when a spray line burst and I was drenched to the skin with 2 4 D. I repaired the broken hose with tape as I used my bare hands which also became soaked with spray. I was too far from home to wast the time, so I continued spraying until the tank was empty. My clothes dried in the hot sun and I didn’t return home for a shower and clean clothes until evening.

    In 1978, another accident drenched me with Lasso and a stronger version of 2 4 D.

    When I was in the Air Force, I practically glowed in the dark from X ray pictures taken of me. When I took x rays of patients, some were unable to hold the film, so I held it for them and exposed myself to more radiation we were told was safe.

    Maybe it is individual resistance to toxic forces, but I am still fine. I am also resistant to poison ivy and have handled it without problems since childhood.

    We had a lot of trouble with our 2005 e machine, and I advertised it here. Tex and others gave me advice on what to buy. We did buy a new computer and an e friend gave us her old lap top. Instead of junking the e machine we experimented with a used mother board, and now the computer works fine. Maybe your computer can be saved, Lurker.

    We already know our legislators don’t know what they are voting for. Nancy Pelosi explained it well before they gave us Obamacare.

  198. As Rutherford wrote in another context, “if you don’t like the ‘rules’ of” our politicians,” get out and find ” politicians “who better match your belief systems.”

  199. Thank you for the advice. Have a newer used tower from the office but we didn’t realize it doesn’t have a modem, working on that now. This one has been taken over by an evil monster; takes 20 min to do something that should take 2. Been holding off buying new until we got high speed. Why?????

    James what do you know about this? Possible or hype?

    An agricultural giant called the Monsanto Company has risen to the top of the corporate food chains thanks to their genetically modified corn and soybean sees, seeds bred to withstand and even produce their own herbicides and pesticides.

    But in the decades since they’ve appeared on the scene, two more things have sprung up: a new crop of “superweeds” that have evolved to resist our chemicals, and root worms that have become insecticide-resistant “superworms,” both of which are set to swarm the Midwest in the coming year.

    Rather than come clean, Monsanto has been covering their tracks, working to market their corn as fresh produce and spending millions to kill California’s Prop 37 requirement to label their corn and soybeans as genetically modified products.

    The FDA still doesn’t require safety studies for Monsanto’s new strains, they’re designing food to produce dangerous chemicals, and these same chemicals have been breeding superworms that will devastate the landscape in the decades to come.

  200. “Thank you for the advice. Have a newer used tower from the office but we didn’t realize it doesn’t have a modem, working on that now. This one has been taken over by an evil monster; takes 20 min to do something that should take 2. Been holding off buying new until we got high speed. Why?????”

    Windows machines seem to accumulate debris in their systems over a period of time. They have done that since time immemorial. I had a Win machine at work and it eventually got so slow that it took 1 hr 5 mins (yes, I timed it) to reboot whenever it locked up, which, of course, it did regularly.

    The only fix is to wipe the whole hard drive out and re-install everything. Unfortunately, since Windows has no particular system regarding where the various programs store your data, you invariably wipe out things you wanted to save.

    The Mac does not do that. When you take a program off, it and everything associated with it are GONE. I have never wiped/reinstalled for over fifteen years – when I get a new computer, I just hook the old to the new, it transfers everything, including the programs, and I keep on truckin.’ The Mac is more expensive to buy, but since I only replace it every five years or so, the long-term cost is actually less. And if you take your time and lost data into account, there is no contest.

    But don’t listen to me – I’m a fanboy. Talk to others. All I can tell you is that, among college students, who are the tech geeks of the world, you never see a Win machine anymore. Nearly to the last man they have Mac laptops.

  201. Google Monsanto vs India farmers. They are blamed for the mass suicides. There have also been conclusive studies showing GM organisms are not stable and will try to revert back and other research that show a link from GM food to health and diet issues.

    The more we learn, the more we learn the perfection of nature.

  202. Lurker, though like Pfesser my kids have long ago switched to Apple, if you don’t have a need for portability. are a DOS bigot like me, and are looking for something reasonably cheap with both performance and the best dynamite touch screen I have ever used, I’ve found this HP All-in-One is hard to beat – all wireless and small foot print too. Basically, you use it out of the box – took me two minutes to set up and I copied all of my files over from the old machine I wanted without much trouble. The only complaint I might have is you don’t get a hard copy of the OS anymore – you make your own restore thumb drive.

    It takes approximately 15 seconds to boot and after using it a year with Windows 7 (I read Windows 8 is awful), I have yet to encounter one problem. To me, Windows 7 is far and away the best operating system Microsoft ever developed.

    I really like it and with three year in house warranty (which I normally don’t do but did this time), the cost was about $800. I can’t even use my $2,300 Fujitsu note pad anymore after using this thing. The Fujitsu is like stepping back to the 80s. :smile:

  203. I’m surprised nobody here has made mention of this Cyprus travesty. Americans are such naive dupes anymore. Anybody really naive enough to believe this isn’t what is in store for future Americans – banks just taking a big portion of the accounts for the betterment of country, setting some maximum value you can hold, with demands of funds not leaving country?

    I predict within two years, American’s 401K plans will become a target to produce “revenue” for Uncle Sam. Roth 401ks have already been rendered pretty moot for benefit on account of new tax laws, and it is just a matter of time before the sticky tentacles of Obamaville begin reaching into corporate 401k plans.

    I’ve been tempted to yank my money and put it in a box in the backyard for the first time in my life. But with my luck, a sinkhole would develop.

  204. Lurker, I hope you can solve your computer problem.

    It is and isn’t hype.

    I’m hazy on some of the details. Scientists developed genetically modified seeds. Monsanto and Pioneer seed company, owned by DuPont sued each other for the rights to the new seeds. Pioneer lost, but a high school class mate was one of the principal lawyers and the case made him a rich man.

    Earlier on, farmers like us saved some soy beans, wheat and oats to plant for the next year, because, unlike corn, they were unhybridised. Now, genetically altered seed, in theory still belongs to the company. Farmers pay beaucoup de money for licensing fees to use the seeds. Some have been sued for saving the seed for next season,.

    The new seeds produce much higher yields than the conventional which are still available and used. They also reduce erosion and are beneficial to some field organizms. Yields are higher, and that adds to the world food supply. Scientists are now mixing hybrid genes with drought resistant wild strains of Mexican corn.

    However, as we all know, evolution cannot be stopped, and “nature will find a way.” ,In early days, farmers planted entire fields to the wonder plants and when Round up ready corn became available, farmers planted those seeds too.

    Can you see a problem here? One continuosly sprays Round up on two crops from year to year. A few mutate and escape. Their competitors largely die, so life for the mutants is like blonds and my blue eyed ancestors. They spread like weeds. One should never use the same herbicide two years in a row. A person must alternate..

    The first super weeds were reported in Australia, and farm magazines as well as companies said they would possibly negate the benefits of the miracle plants. From the beginning, they warned farmers to plant refuges of conventional plants to slow the development of super pests.

    Iowan and Brazilian farmers have a close relationship. Some even own farming operations in the other countries, and they visit to compare notes and to help each other. One man told me eight years ago that they were raising genetically altered soy beans illegally. If the Brazilians were doing it, the Argentines probably were too. I don’t know if they were growing conventional refuge seeds or not. It is hard to stop new technology.

    Now, super weeds have reached the US, but not in large quantities. Only a few species like giant water hemp are affected, and most can be killed with conventional spray. Scientists are creating a new generation of plants which will be able to destroy defense mechanisms the mutants have created.

    We must remember evolution and natural selection. The plant pests operate under the same rules as germs which evolve resistance to our anti-biotics. Both operate under the same cost-benefit ratio.

    Super pests are not stalking the land in large numbers, and they will not make us starve–not yet.

    I agree, people who buy food should know if it is genetically altered, and I also think organic farmers need a buffer between them and genetically altered plants to stop the spread of pollen to their fields. I agree about safety standards and testing.

    Those problems can be fixed in future legislation.

    Obama, like his predecessors, favors his big business and labor supporters with special benefits. The rich gain favors and the rest take the leftovers. This time, for once, a back room deal indirectly benefits “me.” Benefits out weigh the costs.

    Except for Farm Aid, few of the people concerned now worried about us when we nearly lost the farm and a foreclosed class mate shot his head off . Thus, I am a cold- hearted bastard for thanking Obama for signing the bill.

  205. Family farms are fast fading. Corporations are taking everything over. Our money, our government, our military, our land and natural resources, our media and publishing outlets, our healthcare, etc….

    Bye bye freedom. Liberty and ownership are at odds.

  206. My wife and I are watching Cyprus, Tex.

    We worry about a high school Spanish teacher who has been at our school for several years. She returns to Spain next year.

    We could survive if the government stole all of our money. Our tastes are inexpensive, and the land would take care of us.

    If the government took our land, we would either head for the border or like the Russian Kulaks die defending our farm from the equivalent of Stalin.

    Maybe it would be a little sink hole.

  207. I’m surprised nobody here has made mention of this Cyprus travesty.

    That’s because the media isn’t making a big deal of it. I went to the bank to deposit a check yesterday and the teller was really pushing me to open a savings account. I declined. It was probably three more times she tried to charm me. I declined politely in three different ways. I wanted to tell her it would be silly for me to trust my accumulating wealth to a too big to fail digital debt propagator that could cause it to vanish on a whim. But I smiled nicely for the camera and wished her a great day. They put such nice candy out there to sweeten that lure.

  208. Ironic that a post with a title including “salad bar” has evolved into a thread discussing GM foods.
    I guess my problem with this topic is that it is so emotions based and feeds off of misinformation because of that.
    Now I’m the last to praise Monsanto et al but I think the organic maniacs are as dishonest.
    We fret over GM as if that was the only way food is/has been altered. In many camps GM is seen as safer or at least purer as opposed to the more “traditional” methods like chemicals,irradiation and just bizarre horticultural hybridization that folks just seem to overlook.
    GM gets banged because it has an opposition with an agenda and that agenda doesn’t include the truth because the common folk fall for the imagery of Frankenstein Rice and Corn.
    The markets are the answer and I know that makes many of you cringe. I know from personal experience that in cases such a milk the market finds a way. I personally buy non BPH milk but I don’t bother with the $6 a gallon organic crap. There are ways to work it out.
    Of note the European model is overly championed by the freaks in the States. The truth be told though is that the oft cited ground shattering studies out of Europe have been crushed and not by Monsanto lackeys either. The French study was roundly disproved and in still pursuing the cause the French government agency that regulates GM said so. The Swiss study came from the guy that tried the cell phone cause cancer thing. Bad science + gullible public= idiocy.
    Of note also… In Europe reports are pretty clear that folks want labeling but don’t look at it. It would seem that emotion trumps logic in this.
    Euro follow up of course is that you can find horse meat where your beef is,totally NOT labelled. lol.
    I can be relied on for a lot of ally points on food and consumer safety,believe it or not. I just need you to be more Vulcan about it. Leave your emotions at the door.

  209. Thanks for your good comments, Alfie. Once again, i am glad Obama signed the bill.

    GM almost as emotionally charged as climate change, and people with an agenda are using it to dupe the masses as well. The Keystone pipeline is misunderstood as is GM.The truth combined with some cold weather is exposing human – caused global warming as the fraud it is.

    The London Met office and Norway researchers have noted that the climate has been stable for awhile. Today, another voice of reason comes from the Australian News. “Twenty-year hiatus in rising temperatures has climate scientists puzzled.

    Neither subject is out of place in Rutherford’s thread because they illustrate the power of misplaced religious faith.

  210. I don’t fear fiat currencies as much as others but in regards to Cyprus specifically and Europe in general I think returning to sovereign currencies is the way to go. The € is unrealistic. I think the use of both the € and the nationals could be something. Let the € exist as an international and commerce currency let people in Germany use the Mark and Italians the Lira and of course by all means keep the £.

  211. Rutherford, this may be a weekend of rabbits and chocolate eggs for you, but to some it represents the day mankind was restored to the Father. We were restored, and actually all of creation was, when the Son of God was sacrificed for our crimes. We crucified and hung Him on a cross some 2000 years ago. Whether you believe Jesus was real or really God or not is immaterial. It changed the equation and time was marked from that day forward. He is well recorded in history. He taught that the Kingdom is at hand and anyone can reach and receive what is freely given. He gave us an example to follow. Mercy and grace come from our Maker. All who seek Him will find Him. Taste and see that the Lord is good. :smile:

    *Cleanup on aisle 4. Actually I posted this on the earlier thread and meant it here. Consider yourself doubly blessed. :wink:

  212. I find the things we grow in our garden plot far superior to store bought. I am very into reading labels and don’t hardly eat out. If it has GMOs, I want it labeled. We recognize the obvious corn starches and soy. They sure want their due and recognition when it’s going in the ground. It’s all about control and profit. It’s not about health or nutrition.

    “I never saw no miracle of science
    That didn’t go from a blessing to a curse”

    Look up Monsanto vs central or south america, have a horrendous reputation throughout. Now they are taking over Africa thanks to the current criminals in charge. If we wanted to feed the world, it could easily be done. Instead we let corporations overrun indigenous communities and ecosystems that have supported life for centuries.

  213. I had a close friend in college who went into a fairly deep depression (or at least very deep contemplation) every year on Good Friday. It drove home for me just how un-serious Christmas is. This weekend is the heart of the matter as far as my limited experience has taught me.

    For those who observe, take whatever you take from this weekend and peace be with you.

  214. First I heard about this. New Yorkers now being given $500 rewards if they report gun owners to law enforcement

  215. Not like most of us didn’t see this coming.

    Mr. Biden rallied gun control advocates ahead of a “day of action” organized by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, telling supporters that bans on so-called assault weapons and high-capacity magazines are “just the beginning.”

    “Let me say this as clearly as I can: this is just the beginning,” he said on a conference call organized by the group, which is co-chaired by New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg. “We believe that weapons of war have no place on our streets. That’s the message that retired admirals and generals have spoken to us about. The comment one of them used was if you want to learn how to use a semiautomatic weapon, join the United States military. But these are weapons of war.”~Joe Biden

    http://www.ijreview.com/2013/03/44130-biden-assault-weapons-ban-is-just-the-beginning/

  216. Like it or not right or wrong farmer is a hard life and farmers are in a hard spot and under appreciated by the people. That said the relationship between companies like Monsanto and farmers regardless of their country code is pretty clear cut. I will say the Latin American actions regards extra fees via the trust like structure of corporate cohorts which come with a rebate mechanism is alarming one also has to concede it passes current legislative muster in the countries involved. It is the legal flip side of how the countries laws smacke Monsanto when they looked for recourse over the whole Argentina/ Brazil issue.
    Bottom line and it too carries the opener… It cannot be lost on people that the. Growers are open eyes asking and entering the relationship with Monsanto. There are other seed stock available. Monsanto sells hard but it isn’t like it is “take it or else” stuff.

  217. @pool:
    You are off the grid and out of the mainstream and that is a personal choice. You also try to be informed and hint that such includes pesticide,herbicide use and non genetic alteration of food stuffs. That is the extreme I can actually respect. The hating on GMO based primarily on fear and emotion is something I cannot respect. Whether somebody is willfully ignorant and sheep like gobbling up govt. propaganda or corporate jizz is the same as being so and lapping up the agenda driven drivel as well. Bottom line get informed,take a stand and move on. Coming to the gathering and staying for the free doughnut or because the signs are pretty needs to be purged from the American psyche.

  218. In defense of the Poolman, I can appreciate his distaste for pesticides and actually am at least in partial agreement with him. I don’t like the idea of using anymore than is necessary and only when absolutely necessary, and like a patient being too eager to pop a pill for a fix, I sometimes believe our industries are the same way looking for a quick, cheap solution and not considering the long-term ramifications.

    I detest the idea of our meat being laced with antibiotics. And we wonder why bacteria is growing resistant to most of our antibiotics? Dumb, dumb. So is antibacterial soap at the kitchen sink.

    However, the fear of genetically grown crops is a silly one. Crops cross pollinate all the time naturally – that’s how we ended up with yellow tomatoes and purple tomatoes and black tomatoes, and…

    Many if not most flowering plants do. All the labs are doing is effectively doing what nature does under controlled conditions to speed the process up.

  219. The wife has a bottle of soapy water she sprays the plants with which to kill pests. It’s an organic detergent. She also pulls weeds when they grow. For ants and other crawlers, a little Diatomaceous earth sprinkled in their path. Once in a while she’ll buy lady bugs and release them on aphids or mites. Old school, I know, but safe and very effective. The toughest pests are the cats that decide the garden is a gigantic litter box. Birds will also sometimes pull up seedlings and sample fruit.

    Right now we have potatoes, tomatoes, green beans, green and red bell peppers, green chiles, jalapenos, carrots, asparagus, strawberries, blueberries, kayle, spinach, lettuce, parsley, cilantro, oregano, basil, rosemary, chives… I’m sure I’m missing a few. She is turning over more ground and planting okra. We have no citrus at this location.

    If I could, I’d have some livestock. We are planning to locate to another property that we will be able to raise a few animals for food.

  220. DR. Norman Borlaug saved millions from starvation and malnutrition with the Green Revolution in the 1960′s and 1970′s. Without his efforts, writers who predicted massive food shortages by 1990 or so would have been right.

    Genetic engineering continues the natural process as Tex wrote, and as our population grows, the higher yielding plants will save more people from dying of malnutrition. Others can afford to buy better choices of food as we do. It is another route as is cheaper energy to a middle class life.

    Some on the left through ideological reasons would deny much of the undeveloped world from enjoying what most of us take for granted

    Extension agents and others have already warned farmers not to use so many antibiotics. They are equivalent to repeatedly using the same herbicide year after year. Both practices are dangerous to us all.

    I like organic food too. All I use on our garden is rabbit repellent. Bugs ate our bean blossoms, so I planted beans next to the house, and the problem was solved.

    But organic food is like old hand-crafted cars or hand-made radios. They are superior to the mass produced versions, but without mass production few people would enjoy them.

  221. We are experimenting in other ways. The incidence of allergies and childhood diabetes is increasing in wealthy countries. A Finnish researcher is conducting a study to learn why. Finns are participating with frequent trips to doctors’ and researchers’ offices to study their living modes.

    They are also studying Finnic and Sami- related people in northwest Russia. The income differential is a factor of seven. The difference in living standards is much greater than between the US and Mexico. Estonians are also participating. The three groups are basically of the same genetic stock.

    So far, the study shows that people in northwest Russia suffer from far fewer allergies than Finns who live relatively pristine lives. Estonians who are also relatively poor but richer than the Russians fall in the middle. All groups are suffering more allergies as their incomes grow.

    The scientists conclude that rural life associated with dust and farm animals directs the immune system to attack invading pathogans. A household pet does too. Other studies and common sense reach similar conclusions. Sometimes, one can be too clean.,

  222. So true on the too clean part, James. My wife spent much time on her aunt and uncle’s farm while growing up. Her brother and mother not. The brother and mother have extreme allergies to plants and animals and my wife does not.

    Modern societies lose plenty of the organics that help develop our immune systems. Prevalent petroleum products in society also help contribute to our declining health and natural immunities. Plastics are continually degrading and we absorb those toxins.

  223. George Bush, Queen Elizabeth, and Vladimir Putin all die and go to hell. While there, they spy a red phone and ask what the phone is for. The devil tells them it is for calling back to Earth. Putin asks to call Russia and talks for 5 minutes. When he is finished the devil informs him that the cost is a million dollars, so Putin writes him a check. Next Queen Elizabeth calls England and talks for 30 minutes. When she is finished the devil informs her that the cost is 6 million dollars, so she writes him a check. Finally George Bush gets his turn and talks for 4 hours. When he is finished the devil informs him that the cost is $5.00. When Putin hears this he goes ballistic and asks the devil why Bush got to call the USA so cheaply. The devil smiles and replies, “Since Obama took over, the country has gone to hell, so it’s a local call.

  224. I can’t find ammo. As in its all gone!! What little is left is rationed…3 box limit. Luckily I can fire 410 rounds. But still…..I literally can’t find .45 rounds anywhere. I can’t even go to the range.

    Wtf?

    Alphie…..you sure the Nanny isn’t buying up all the rounds so that they can punish us?

  225. Will call this an Easter type of comment secondary lambs. The snowfall in the UK has led to 10k+ sheep and lamb deaths. Hey Met office how’s that global warming working for you you mutton heads.
    Enjoy the weekend all.

  226. If Oblama cannot trash the Constitution and the 2nd amendment directly, then he just buys up all the ammo. Win by default. Sequester what?

  227. BUCHANAN TO OBAMA
    By Patrick J. Buchanan

    Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America .. Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation.. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to…. This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

    First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.. Jeremiah Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

    Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream. Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
    We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude??

    Barack talks about new ‘ladders of opportunity’ for blacks. Let him go to Altoona ? And Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for ‘deserving’ white kids…? Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America ? Is it really white America ‘s fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

    Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

    As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

    Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

    We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena . And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

    Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago. This needs to be passed around because, this is a message everyone needs to hear!!!

    I’m for a better America…
    I am
    Not racist,
    Not violent,
    Just not silent anymore.

  228. Noah, the “Buchanan to Obama” thing is five years old. It first appeared in 2008 and is on Pats blog. The article which you only partly excerpted is called “A Brief for Whitey”. Buchanan has been whining about how hard it is to be white in America for some time now. He was finally booted off MSNBC and I’m not sure where one can find him nowadays. Maybe still on the McLaughlin Group.

  229. Alfie, 291 was not you at your best. There is a reason why many have replaced “global warming” with “climate change” — because the latter better represents what is going on. The first 3 nights of April, it will be in the 20′s here. In recent years it has gone from winter straight to summer and back again with spring and fall just a happy memory.

    Something funky is going on with the weather. I don’t know who is causing it and I don’t know what to label it. All I know is it seems damn ominous to me.

  230. Still a very relevant statement. I stand by it and feel that you denigrating the author proves that out. Especially when that was your only contribution. But then again that is you on every subject of late so maybe that proves nothing at all.

  231. Buchanan has been whining about how hard it is to be white in America for some time now.

    You mean, like in contrast to say like the 90% of blacks in America that whine about how hard and unfair it is to be black in America 100% of the time, including every black MSNBC host, most of these pathetics who had made quite a career of race hustling?

    And I should add that the 10% of black Americans that don’t whine and are unmercifully and irrationally hated and called the most vile of racist names by the 90% of angry black Americans who whine 100% of the time, Dr. Ben Carson being only the latest example?

    There isn’t any race that comes remotely close to the whining, irrational anger and grievance hustling than black America. The only Americans who don’t recognize it are the 90% of angry black Americans who whine 100% of the time – the absolute best example demonstrating the idiocy of group think.

    Kudos to Pat Buchanan for having the guts to say it and piss on white Americans to afraid and cowardly to tell the truth, or needing black approval while pandering in the most pretentious of ways to further their careers.

  232. I have already told you about “something funky” which is going on with the weather. ISU climatologist Dr. Elwyn Taylor repeatedly warned us that we were entering the 20 dry phase of a cycle which has been known for at least 500 years. The last widespread Midwest drought was in 1988, so this one was late though inevitibable.

    We are also approaching the climax of a 90 year cycle which will culminate in a 1930′s Dust Bowl drought by around 2024. The drought of 1894 depopulated some frontier counties as the little known eastward movement began. My mother’s family were part of that movement. They left their farm in southwest Nebraska and moved to far western Iowa.

    I have also told you about the two hundred-year drought which let the Nebraska Sand Hills blow free as the sand dunes they are. It also happened about 600 AD.

    The climate optimum which was warmer than now preceded the Little Ice Age and Killed Viking settlements in Greenland.

    5,000 years ago, the plains were so dry that Indians and buffalo moved elsewhere.

    10,000 to 15,000 years ago, sudden extremes of heat and cold were almost too severe for human adaptation. Blonds and light colored eyes became the legacy. The next time you see a blond, be reminded just how funky our climate can be.

    Scientists have lied to us and themselves. Even NASA’s Dr Hanson has admitted our climate’s new temporary stability does not fit the climate models. Band wagons make poor science.

  233. The Met Office said last fall, that the climate has stabilized. A Norweigian group recently said the same thing. Alfie’s comments are mild compared to British comments following weather related articles in their news papers.

    One reason Brits are so angry is that they realize their government has stolen money from them to chase an ephemeral theory. They have pushed green energy and regulations at the expense of full development of natural gas. Some of the old and poor are hard pressed to pay for heating. It becomes a choice of heating or eating.

    I remember celebrating Christmas at the home of two widowed sisters. They counted the pieces of coal they put into their furnace.

  234. Patterico’s Pontifications Racist Supreme Court Justice Compares Homosexuality to Incest.” Sonia Sotomayor asked Ted Olson in the Prop 8 cast if marriage is a fundamental right why could not a mother and chlld marry?

    Dr. Ben Carson asked a similar slippery slope question and the media dumped on him. A commenter explained the different reactions.

    “Sotomayor is part of the New Guilded Class and as such, protected, she is a female,a minority, and a leftist. you will see no media coverage or her statement vs Carson…you will see Carson dragged through the mud. This is part of their play book, and Carson, as Clarence Thomas before him will be treated harshly.”

  235. So you think the Cyprus deposit-confiscation scheme is a one-off, bizarre deal that could never happen here, huh? I have news: they are already planning it.

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/It-Can-Happen-Here-The-Co-by-Ellen-Brown-130329-684.html

    Oh, BTW, FDIC insurance – you know, that protects depositors under $250K – won’t apply. Sleep well. “It will wipe out small depositors.” What do you get? A share of the defunct bank. Just what I always wanted.

    Smart money is now being withdrawn from the banks and invested in – you guessed it – real estate.

    ********************
    R – re: climate farfalonus, or whatever the current term is that lets the most confusion reign. Weather varies all over the board, R, always has, always will. As I write this, here in southern Virginia the last day of March dawned a cold and rainy 44 degrees F. We should have already had a month of beautiful warm weather. But I don’t worry about it; it’s just that Ol’ Global Warming trying to fool me into thinking it’s not real.

    I repeat: the atmosphere is the thinnest sliver of gas, bordered on one side by an 8000 mile thick ball of rock, water and magma – and on the other side by the near-absolute zero temperatures of space. Now tell me again how that piss-ant species called man is changing its temperature?

  236. Pfessor, interesting piece. That being said, I can’t find anything from Homeland Security saying they reserve the right to raid SDB’s. It links to an opinion on a forum, nothing more.

    I hang in the PM circles and they are often paranoid conspiracy obsessed group. I can’t stand them alot of them, honestly.

    I don’t think I’m full of bombast, but who knows. If Rutherford’s perverse, thieving politician idols ever raided my box without cause, I think I might go to war.

    My box is my gift to my kids after I die. There is an aesthetic to it. Saving mixed with art. It’s why I have a tiny TV and why I drive a 94 truck. It’s why I get nagged at by my wife over my wardrobe made up of shrunken Wall-mart garbage.

    My pension vanishes…..I will stay sane. I assume it will. My investment fund gets nuked. Life goes on. My bank account goes the way of Cypress….I won’t lose my mind. My idiotic money fund doesn’t beat inflation…shame on me. My house (which is now bought and paid for due to strange fate) is suddenly worth 60% less, been there done that. I’ll maintain.

    But so help me God….if they ever fuck with my box……

    For you guys that own a box behind the vault, I think you are making a mistake. The key is to get your own key. Get one on the outside of the vault that you can freely access with your own key. Before my dead body goes cold..a plan is in place. The vault is a myth. It’s the bank worker you need to fear. Who knows if they will lock it back up. And they can feel how heavy it is. I purposely made the lady see me putting baseball cards in it when I first opened it.

    My bank is next to a cop shop. The odds of someone going in there and taking the time to break into the safe is pretty low. Natural disaster obviously is a risk. But, so is a massive asteroid.

  237. DR – I have never owned a safety-deposit box. The lock them when you die until probate is finished. I have a few things of value that I kept in a wall safe in years past, but my current house doesn’t have one. (Gotta fix that) Best is a cylinder safe you can put through a basement wall or into the basement floor and surround with concrete (or weld to a girder) so it can’t be carried. Also nobody even in the house should know it exists until they read your will, so they can’t reveal its presence under duress.

    Nobody says confiscation is the policy; I don’t think it is. But they are thinking about it. Remember, Roosevelt confiscated gold – the idea being so that he could devalue the currency without having gold in circulation to screw up his plan. There is some interesting reading out there on the Roosevelt fiscal shenanigans.

    Man, we HAVE to get control of our currency if we are going to survive as a nation – and my bets are that we wont, and we won’t.

    Speaking of which, anybody have an opinion as to what is the next move vis a vis N. Korea? I told my wife that if I were Prez, I’d wait for the first strike, hoping it was on California, since that’s closest and least valuable, then hydrogen bomb the NK capital.

    Thoughts?

  238. “They lock them when you die until probate is finished.”

    If its behind the vault. But, on the other side…..they wouldn’t know your dead. Anyone with a key and knowledge of which box I have can get in. So, its emptied upon my death.

    In reality, there was only one confiscation of gold under FDR. A gangster that they used the law on. People voluntarily exchanged their gold. But, yeah…FDR infuriates me.

  239. Massive asteroid is a definite possibility. There are plenty of them floating through space, many even coming our way.

    I hang with some DR types. They all have their own paranoid conspiracies. Usually nothing mainstream anyway.

    You’ve overlooked an attack by holy hand grenade. Then, a .45 is not going to be effective. If you prefer to be adequately armed, make one yourself.

  240. Of course we look for articles that reinforce what we already believe, but here is David Stockman’s take on the phony-money printing that is elevating the current stock market.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/opinion/sunday/sundown-in-america.html?emc=eta1&_r=0

    I think I may cash out and finish paying off my house and tractor; anything after that…….I don’t know. Gotta have money to live on….I think I’ll put 100% of my time into our little publishing business; we can live on it if we have no debts.

    Batten down the hatches, boys.

  241. Speaking of which, anybody have an opinion as to what is the next move vis a vis N. Korea? I told my wife that if I were Prez, I’d wait for the first strike, hoping it was on California, since that’s closest and least valuable, then hydrogen bomb the NK capital.

    Thoughts?

    :lol: Great minds think alike. I don’t want Huck bombed. But anything within 15 miles of the left coast? Bomb them? I’d thank them. :twisted:

  242. Dammit! I knew as a KU fan Friday night, if we won, Atlanta here we come! :mad:

    What a major league meltdown…Bill Self ought to have his butt kicked.

    Congrats Rabbit and BIC.

  243. Just another reason why the wife and I are gearing up to home school. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/30/atlanta-cheating-scandal-_n_2985528.html?ncid=webmail34

    On the banking issue brought up. We never have more than a thousand dollars in the bank at any given time. The rest we have squirreled away in a home safe. Other than a couple of mutual funds that I have had money in since 1993, I have no dollars in the stock market. The only thing we are investing in is ownership stakes in small businesses.

  244. I was away for a week at a conference, so I have been reading up to catch up on things here.

    To add to the Turkey/Israel discussion…I think Turkey actually conceded on this more than Israel did.

    Israel would have issued an apology long ago, but Turkey was demanding that it be accompanied by an end to the Gaza blockade. As we know, no such policy accompanied this quickly accepted apology.

  245. @315 huck…
    See I don’t get it that way. If you look at blockade+compensation + apology you get 2 out of 3 ain’t bad. I also landed in the camp that the advantage actually goes to Ankarra. I side that way primarily due to Turkeys obviously growing regional clout.

  246. Rutherford sorry that when I offer a comment that I choose not to leave it as a three page treatise and hope others get some of the implied humor and content.
    Anyone who has followed the actions and pontificating of the Met appreciated it. Thank you James and PFessor.

  247. Just as an aside to the Buchanan embed. I found it to be a tragic example of how some facts can be presented while ignoring others in such a blatant manner you end up getting the credibility gap that gels with the tactics of the opposition. Pat is pretty good at that as an example his book on WW II stands tall.

  248. “If you look at blockade+compensation + apology you get 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.”

    But I think we both agree that Israel would have either already done that, or would have been an eventuality anyway. The sticking point was the blockade issue. In that, they didn’t cave, Turkey did.

    None of that means I am disputing that the PR advantage goes to Ankara, who looks to the world as if it got something from Israel while giving up nothing.

    I am in favor of this tradeoff. This is how stuff should get done. Give some to get some and move forward beyond an impasse. There’s bigger fish for both to fry right now (Syria).

  249. I am probably not wording things as well as I could.

    I’m not disputing that Turkey didn’t get more. As you said, Alfie, 2 out of 3 ain’t bad. I am just pointing out that there was another facet to this whole thing and it has been going ignored in pretty much all (not just here) of the discussions I have seen on the topic.

  250. I need to read up on this Ben Carson. I know he’s the latest sensation being embraced by conservatives everywhere. A neurologist if I remember correctly. First a pizza man, now a neurologist. Why can’t the GOP nurture successful black politicians? Why do they end up going outside?

    Ben better have a chat with Michael Steele before he gets too excited with all the attention. Steele was 10 times better than Reince Priebus on Reince’s best day and you see what happened to him.

  251. “Carly Rose Sonencliar was sensational on X-Factor. Shame she didn’t walk away with the grand prize.”

    Yeah, that girl’s going places. I’m actually kind of glad that she didn’t win. Now she can get a recording deal doing the kind of music she wants rather than what Simon wants her to do, which may not have been the same things. I’m anxious to see where she goes from here.

    It’s funny because I’m not really into that style of music. But man….what a voice. It’s hard not to get chills.

  252. You’re welcome Rutherford. Speaking of weather. Our high temperature on Easter Sunday was 54 and about 58 in Omaha where we were. It was about 48 with sprinkles when we left Omaha at 9PM. A half hour later, heavy snow reduced the visibility to a 100 feet or so. When we got home after 10PM it was 31 still with heavy snow.

    It ended before midnight, the sky cleared, and it fell to 11 degrees with 2 inches of snow cover. It is beautiful out with the sun sparkling on snow coated trees. I am going out to ski before the winter wonderland melts in the April sun.

    You want to hear a fabulous voice, watch an emotional mother and surprised judges? Google Ukrainian X Factor-I will always love you on youtube video. Whitney Houston lives on.

  253. Funny Gorilla – and I’m not sure that was supposed to be funny.

    However, where I live, the thieves are so bad, they’d steal your mattress too. I had a friend who came home to find his drapes had been stolen. :lol:

  254. VDH cuts to the point…and now that the election is over and they have won, what did we all get for their victory? Excerpt…

    There were not 50 consecutive months of 7.8% unemployment (until last month, no one month of the Obama administration saw unemployment lower than in any one month of the Bush administration). What about sluggish GDP, record debt, chronic deficits, unheard of zero interest, vast numbers on food stamps and unemployment and disability insurance? Bush did it.

    We all know how this Paul Bunyan legend will end up. The next president, be it Hillary or Marco Rubio or Joe Biden or Rand Paul, will not embrace Obamism. They cannot and have the nation still survive. The federal saddlebags are empty. We will not follow the Obama trajectory to 70 million on food stamps or $30 trillion in debt. Even a President Hillary Clinton would not lecture us that we didn’t build that. We cannot keep printing a trillion dollars through quantitative easing. Interest rates will climb. I don’t think Rand Paul will tell the Tea Party “to punish our enemies” or Hillary Clinton “to get in their faces.”

    You see, Obamism is an emotional flight from reality, completely unsustainable to the degree it is a paradigm for anything (ed. Like Rutherford’s idea of social utopia, a myth). It is mythical, this notion of borrowing vast amounts of money to grow government and subsidize a new cadre on government support, or demonizing millions as suspect for their success, or assuming that foreign nations react best to apologies, contextualization, and sermons, or wish to join in the cultural adulation of an American president. Putin could care less. Ditto the North Koreans.

    In short, in this mythical age, we all know that Barack Obama won the Nobel Prize, but none of us quite know what for.

  255. Welcome to Ukraine.

    The government has only a vague notion of citizens’ incomes because most work second or third jobs, use their cars as taxis or cultivate land. They receive and spend secondary incomes as cash to hide them from the government .Cash is practically the only means of transactions in stores.

    “Official statistics state that expenditures of the Ukraine population are considerably larger than recognized income.” “25% of the population, including 20% in cities and 37% in the country earn under the $117 per month US equivalent The average income is $185 US dollars per month. Most people live better than statistics show they should.

    Ukraine Travel Advisor wrote about a family he knows. “There are five family members living in this apartment; an 80 year old grandmother who owns the apartment, her 60 year old daughter and her husband, their 33-year old daughter and her 16-year old son. All four family members have earned their Masters degrees after graduating from universities. All of them, except the older lady are still working in their professional fields. The youngest member, the 16-year old boy is going to enter university next year.

    Besides the apartment, the family owns a small summer house where they grow fruits and vegetables. Like most Ukranian families, They do a lot of canning.They own a car to drive to their dacha.

    “I have personally known this family for many years. They are extremely friendly and hospitable people and the warm and inviting atmosphere of their house attracts their numerous friends.

    They cannot afford to buy another apartment or a house. If the older lady lived alone she could not afford to make house payments and buy food, because her pension is not large enough to pay for both.

    Now, you should have an idea about what an average family living in Ukraine can afford for itself.”

    This is only a matter of degree removed from how our our own under class lives.

    Meanwhile, the Obamas and their friends live like wealthy commissars for the peasants’ vicarious pleasure.

    Obama won the Nobel prize because he is divine enough to lower the seas and to encourage dogs and cats to live together. He can do no wrong.

  256. Tex – I think you and Noah overstate the case. Obama is not the Antichrist, he’s just an incompetent president, just like Jimma Carter. He is more malignant, though, in that his socialist upbringing makes him think that it is perfectly OK to attack and ignore the Constitution, because that allows him to get his pet projects done without having to follow the uncomfortable route it prescribes.

    He is by far the worst president fiscally, but the underpinnings were sown in Roosevelt’s era, and followed more or less by every subsequent president, with the worst offense probably committed by Richard Nixon, whose taking us off the gold standard makes Watergate look like child’s play. That mistake is the direct cause of the currency’s going from being stable nearly 200 years to dropping 95% of its value in forty years.

  257. I found this article informative and plausible. Some won’t like the source, but that isn’t my problem. A good albeit lengthy read.

    The Banksters have been going for broke at the American taxpayer’s expense and in the process have nearly destroyed the American economy, created massive unemployment and grossly misused the American military to defend the US Petro dollar.

    They have waged illegal, unprovoked, pre-emptive, unconstitutional wars against Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and numerous Africa nations using regular military, special ops and a large percentage of private mercenary “operators” as well as “al CIA Duh” who have at times fired upon and killed American soldiers (can you say “Treason” applies to those American officials ordering and arranging such staged terror and sniping).

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/03/31/bye-bye-banksters-hello-bric/

  258. PF, Obama not only attacks and ignores the Constitution, he attacks and ignores the way of life, values and rights of his own people. He does not like the very country he pretends to lead and it’s disgusting. It’s not just incompetence; it’s by design. It’s not just misguided altruism; it’s malevolence. He cares nothing of the damage he is inflicting because he considers it social justice.

    The only thing taming Obama are the mechanisms of our government that our founding father’s had the wisdom to institute.

    Fuck Obama.

  259. I agree with El Tigre.Barrack and Michele have made oblique references to their displeasure with the United States, and to their autocratic tendencies.

    I believe if given enough time, his allies will take the middle class to Ukraine.

  260. I agree, noah.

    Just because I feel like a gentle dig at Rutherford’s dislike of Sarah Palin, here it is.

    Sarah Palin called them death panels, and she was later proven right. Paul Krugman even used the term.

    Palin also as others did, repeated the mantra “drill baby drill.” Just One Minute has an article titled “Frack the Europeans, or , the Next American Boom.”

    American innovations which unlock shale natural gas is sending the price down here. New oil sources here and in Canada are also helping stabilize energy prices. European companies such as BASF are investing in American locations because our natural gas prices are lower than Europe’s.

    “Europe’s greens won’t get out of the way, so Europe’s only hope is that Obama can derail the US fracking effort in the next three years, although he hasn’t been that obtuse yet.”

    Palin got those two concepts right, while Obama did not. And Rutherford has the temerity to believe Palin is dumber than Obama? Another option is that Obama knows what Sarah knows and is lying.

  261. Ah Pfesser, I don’t think Obama the anti-Christ. He’s too transparently ignorant and phony. I mean that. Obama is a dummy and lightweight.

    Besides, lightweight is not even beloved anymore. Do you hear the weak willed like Rutherford still singing Obama’s praises? About the only defense you hear anymore is charges of racism. Yawn. We’re hated more around the world now than ever. Demwits go for the win by buying votes and then realize after winning, they just shot their small balls off. Wait until the freebies run out – I will delight in their horror.

    In all seriousness, what I don’t like about Obama besides the gross incompetence, is that he is the only President of memory that purposely tries to punish American citizens – canceling the White House tours under outrageous lies, for instance. Obama is not only a jackass, he’s a street thug living large on the American dime while he shits in people’s homes. Biden is equally as putrid – a complete piece of shit as a person, much less politician.

  262. Nothing to see here, move along…

    In 2012, a U.S. Department of Agriculture official said that food stamp fraud totals $750 million each year – a number that more than doubles the cost of trafficking reported in a 2006- 2008 USDA study.

    Kevin Concannon, U.S. Department of Agriculture undersecretary for food, nutrition and consumer services, told the Huffington Post last year that food stamp fraud totals around $750 million each year.

    The $750 million number is more than double the amount in total dollars of fraud detected annually in a 2006-2008 study on trafficking – a type of fraud that involves selling Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits to food retailers for cents on the dollar.

  263. I don’t think Obama is the anti-Christ. He is a bad black man that got voted into office because of the color of his skin. He gets a pass on all the bad he does because of the color of his skin. Nothing more complicated that Liberals ridding themselves of their black guilt by cuttin a bruthah some slack.

  264. The Washington Post Business: “Obama administration pushes banks to make home loans to people with weaker credit.”

    Democrats, including Obama took us down the road which led us into the worst recession since the Great Depression. How stupid do they think we are?

    Obama is only half “brothah” His hidden other side is white cracker.
    Which part of his pigment ran “fast and furious” away from the men he let die at Bengazi?

    Palin/Nugent couldn’t be worse than what we have now.

  265. James @ 347 :Which part of his pigment ran “fast and furious” away from the men he let die at Bengazi?”

    Priceless :lol:

  266. Dr. Ben Carson on Tuesday accused critics of his stance on gay marriage of trying to completely shut down debate on the issue and called his white liberal critics “the most racist out there.”

    In an appearance on the Mark Levin radio show, Carson said he represents an existential threat to gay marriage proponents, which is why attacks on his stance against gay marriage have been so vicious.

    “They need to shut me up, they need to get rid of me. They can’t find anything else to delegitimize me, so they take my words, misinterpret them, and try to make it seem that I’m a bigot,” he said.

    After Levin asked him about white liberals, Carson, who is black, said, “They’re the most racist people there are because they put you in a little category, a box. How could you dare come off the plantation?”

    ——-

    Ohhhhh…I think Tex Taylor has told one Mr. Rutherford the same thing, only to be discounted as confused because I can’t relate to the black experience, or something like that. :twisted:

    I might disagree to the degree with Doc Carson, because I still find grievance hustlers like Sharpton, AA buffoons this Toure clown, gorillas like Shelia Jackson Lee, and thugs like King Samir Shabazz as THE MOST RACIST, but it only an opinion.

    Who am I to argue with Dr. Carson? He can’t relate to the “white experience.” :smile:

  267. Bah. You’re going to let that Uncle Tom Carson tell you what to think? You’re just trying to relieve your white guilt. Sharpton said so.

    Conservative women and blacks scare the shit of liberals and must have their beliefs invalidated because of their gender and color. Why is that R?

  268. Let’s make race baiters the theme today! I blame James {snicker}. It’s all your fault by influencing us minions.

    Now here are the “racists” that Tex most personally disdains. The cliched, academic white libbie racists – mainly because they combine lies + hypocrisy + abject stupidity. If you’re going to be a race hustler, at least be a good one is my motto.

    If they ever declare open season on racists, I won’t be hunting Al Sharpton; I’ll get the buffalo gun out for the Childress sisters – hideous, white women; worse, there’s two of them! ** GAG **

    =======

    Those Courageous Racists
    Left-wing bigots pat themselves on the back.

    But the absolute strangest thing about the twins’ racist rant is the self-satisfied tone. They think they’re breaking a taboo, bravely challenging convention by scapegoating white men. Give us a break. Antiwhite and antimale bigotry couldn’t be less courageous or more clichéd. It’s been a constant feature of academic discourse for decades and of journalistic writing for years. It has been the dominant theme of political coverage since Barack Obama’s re-election.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323296504578398731336938160.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion

  269. Those Peeps are lot tougher than I thought. :lol: They just melt in my mouth. I figured there would be a pile of goo when the bullet struck.

    Pretty funny. That was a rather expensive experiment, being even Peeps have gone up dramatically in price in President Brick’s economy.

    I watched this while eating a Russell Stovers chocolate caramel bunny – the big one that comes in its own box. And since my treadmill platform is still busted and I now weigh more than I ever weighed, I felt a measure of guilt while doing so. Hopefully, laughter takes off a few calories.

  270. Thanks Ragi.

    Yes, Tex, I have a record of bad influence beginning in second grade when I made class mates cry. I told them Santa doesn’t exist.

    Its good to know Rutherford’s disdain for Sarah Palin has limits and a line exists.

    I couldn’t bring myself to destroy good candy.

    Protesters met Obama in San Francisco with a marching band. They oppose drones and the Keystone Pipeline,

    They are like the hapless Roman soldier who killed Archemedies at Syracuse. The soldier thought the man drawing circles in the dust was an ordinary Greek.

    The Roman general knew Archimedies was inventing machines, including the world’s first computer, and he gave explicate orders to capture the Greek alive.

    Selective abortion may not be such a bad thing.

  271. Anonymous exposed 30,000 Mossad spies. Not a lot of media coverage on that. That answers a few concerns for some in the ‘truther’ community about anonymous. It also shows what a sham many of these ‘legit’ organizations are. A few folks are wondering if Assange is on that list. lol.

    Today is 45 years since MLK was murdered by our government (proven in a court of law in 1999). Still, we haven’t corrected the history books. Still, we knowingly promote a lie, indoctrinating future generations with disinformation. How much in print pushed by our educational institutions is actually truth?

    All the while our leaders take us furiously down a path of destruction and ruin. Fascism, socialism, communism, what does it matter the ism? The banksters don’t care as long as they control the currency.

    Keep taking in that aluminum and barium from the skies, my fellow Americans. It’s no wonder we’ve a nationally declining health situation.

  272. After reading the article Rutherford posted, it just reaffirms to me we are all better off to teach our kids at home. It may have reached the point in out society that the best educated are the ones kept out of our institutions of higher learning indoctrination. And we all pay BIG BUCKS to be indoctrinated.

  273. If Republicans were smart, they would forgo spending millions upon millions to support nominees, and instead spend their monies buying up low voter magazines marketing free market principles and horror stories of progressive politic, and starting new institutes of higher education.

    Intelligent people of sound character, whether religious or not, are starting to realize public education K-12 and most of higher education, has become liberal bastions of anti-American indoctrination and cesspools of underachievement and mostly worthless degrees. When unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers is a professor in higher education, something is desperately wrong with the system.

    Thank God my wife and I were able to afford private education for my two daughters. I can absolutely confirm what Thomas Sowell said about public education teachers is the truth – education degrees no longer attract the best or brightest for the most part.

  274. This debt based usury system doesn’t fly with Islam. You think maybe THAT could attribute somewhat to the demonization of Muslims? Hmmmm… Sort of like all the nations we’ve invaded decided to get away from the petro dollar standard. Hmmmmm… Libya was providing education, housing, and health care to its people from the nation’s oil profits before we brought change to that land. Hmmmm.

  275. My mom just forwarded this to me. I thought I would post it to the ‘salad bar’.

    Is the Bible the Inspired Word of God?
    By Jason Carlson and Ron Carlson, 5/25/11

    During a question and answer session at a recent speaking engagement, a university student asked me, “Why do you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God?”

    Now this is a very interesting question; and probably one of the most important questions any Christian could ask them selves. What is so special, so unique about the Bible that Christians believe it is literally the inspired word of God?

    In answering this student’s question, I encouraged him to consider the following facts about the Bible:

    First, the Bible is not just one single book. This is a more common misconception than many people realize, especially with people who do not come from a Judeo-Christian background. Rather than being a single book, the Bible is actually a collection of 66 books, which is called the canon of scriptures. These 66 books contain a variety of genres: history, poetry, prophecy, wisdom literature, letters, and apocalyptic, just to name a few.

    Second, these 66 books were written by 40 different authors. These authors came from a variety of backgrounds: shepherds, fishermen, doctors, kings, prophets, and others. And most of these authors never knew one another personally.

    Third, these 66 books were written over a period of 1500 years. Yet again, this is another reminder that many of these authors never knew or collaborated with one another in writing these books.

    Fourth, the 66 books of the Bible were written in 3 different languages. In the Bible we have books that were written in the ancient languages of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic; a reflection of the historical and cultural circumstances in which each of these books were written.
    And finally, these 66 books were written on 3 different continents: Africa, Asia, and Europe . Once again, this is a testament to the varied historical and cultural circumstances of God’s people.

    Think about the above realities: 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents.

    What’s more, this collection of books shares a common storyline- the creation, fall, and redemption of God’s people; a common theme- God’s universal love for all of humanity; and a common message- salvation is available to all who repent of their sins and commit to following God with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength.

    In addition to sharing these commonalities, these 66 books contain no historical errors or contradictions. God’s word truly is an amazing collection of writings!

    After I had shared the above facts with this student, I offered him the following challenge: I said to him, “If you do not believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, if you do not believe that the Bible is of a supernatural origin, then I challenge you to a test.”

    I said to the student, “I challenge you to go to any library in the world, you can choose any library you like, and find 66 books which match the characteristics of the 66 books in the Bible.

    You must choose 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, written on 3 different continents. However, they must share a common storyline, a common theme, and a common message, with no historical errors or contradictions.” I went on to say, “If you can produce such a collection of books, I will admit that the Bible is not the inspired word of God.”

    The student’s reply was almost instantaneous, he emphatically stated,” But that’s impossible!”

    It truly is impossible, for any collection of human writings. However, the Bible passes this test. The Bible contains 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents, with no historical errors or contradictions.

    The entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, bears the mark of Divine inspiration.

    The next time you encounter someone who asks you why you believe the Bible is the inspired word of God, try sharing this challenge with them.

    Better yet, don’t wait until you’re asked, just go ahead and share this challenge with a friend today. You don’t even have to mention the Bible up front, just ask them if they think it would be realistic to assemble such a collection of books. After they say, “But that’s impossible!” you’ve got a ready-made opportunity for sharing the truth of God’s word with somebody!

    In God We Trust

  276. Wise woman, Poolman. Must be reading from the same page. In fact, I’ll introduce a man that nobody paid attention to here before (basically) that says the same thing as do I. He just says it better, so I’ll let him do it.

    And I truly hope that Mr. Voddie puts to rest this garbage about how Evangelical Christians like myself are that way because (1) We’re white; (2) We were raised that way; (3) We are uneducated and ignorant; (4) We are not accomplished; (5) We all resemble Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. Best 46 minutes you’ll ever spend if you’ll listen closely and if you care to skip, just start listening at the 14 minute mark and you’ll have your answer in about two minutes.

    Dr. Voddie Baucham – Why I Choose To Believe The Bible (full)

  277. I know most of you don’t care especially because of the man’s politics but I’m greatly saddened today by the death of film critic Roger Ebert. I loved him as a film critic and as a man facing the devastating effects of salivary gland cancer with courage and perseverance. He was the kind of man who you thought would beat cancer by living into his 80′s or 90′s. Cancer claimed victory today but Ebert was a worthy opponent.

    Later I’ll try to post a video capturing Ebert and his old sidekick Siskel in a moment of abusive silliness that makes me laugh every time I watch it.

  278. I didn’t like Roger Ebert’s politics but he was a good film critic and he bravely fought for life. It may not be true, but I heard Siskel and he couldn’t stand each other. I enjoyed their show.

    Maybe he would have enjoyed the irony “The Dandy Warhols-godless live at the chapel youtube video in Melbourne, Australia

  279. Roger Ebert was an asshole and political hack, only missed in leftist political circles. These Sarah Palin “assassins” are dropping like flies. You’re next, Rutherford. :twisted: The rest of America loathed the Ebert.

    Add to the fact, about half the time, I thought the idiot couldn’t judge a movie to save his life either. His cohort Siskel was much the better – it’s a shame they couldn’t have traded places in death.

    I would have preferred Siskel was the one who got to hang around. He was actually humorous and the far more talented “critic.”

  280. My take always was, “How can anyone make a living doing what they do?” It always baffled me. I didn’t pay them much attention as I found I did not often agree with their thumbs. I was more interested in why we could consider what they did reason for a profitable career? But then, it was the same thought I’d had for pundits and their ilk. I have spent much of my life wondering how non producers were deserving of wealth. It still piques my interest.

  281. And speaking of wealth. I just read these articles regarding the recent events in Cyprus. I found them very informative and thought provoking. Kind of like “real’ news as opposed to what yahoo or the regular TV has to offer.

    http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2013/03/part-1cyprus-israelturkey-syria-nato.html

    Actually, there is a lot of real news out there and some very informative alternative journalists taking it on.

    But alas, like in the days of Noah…

  282. Worthy of mention at the end of that article…

    “Kermit Gosnell is a racist of the worst kind,” Day Gardner, president of the National Black Pro-Life Union, said. “He is also a butcher who preyed on the women and girls of his own race – making millions of dollars from the desperation and despair of women from his own community.”

  283. You know what really makes me wonder….
    Jobs have been sent over seas to reduce costs, but yet at the same time prices for consumers keep going up

    Banks, car companies and farmers get bailed out by our tax money yet prices keep going up

    Small business’, which are actually the lifeblood of this country, keep getting taxed out of business, and prices keep going up

    Prisoners in our correctional facilities get free medical, dental, vision and cable tv.

    Politicians serve a couple years in office, that is supposed to be public service, and they get lifetime wage and healthcare benefits.

  284. I still liked the old Siskel and Ebert show. Tex could cite another “asshole and political hack” who is worse because that other man affected more lives than Ebert could in his best dreams.

    That other man voted to “kill babies born alive and” maybe “killed with scissors” as he made political capital (when) he preyed on…his own race.” while living like a king.

    That other man let his own soldiers and ambassador die while he cared more about raising more money than he did in rescuing them or punishing their killers.”

    “Ever wonder what the face of evil looks like?” Roger Ebert doesn’t even come close.

  285. I am only addressing farmers. They are also small business people who get bailed out for the same reason Europeans protect their small farmers–food security. The average small businesses are fragmented among many categories. Farmers are more monolithic and emotional sympathy tugs at heart strings.

    As far as I know, farmers aren’t getting many subsidies besides help with crop insurance because current prices let them earn a profit. Unlike most other small business people, farmers cannot set the price they receive for their product. The old joke is that they buy retail and sell wholesale.

    Those exported jobs helped create other foreign jobs and expanded middle classes. The new middling families could afford more and better food. Thus, the demand for food and prices strengthened.

    The government mandated ethanol and bad weather lowered yields.
    Farmers are enjoying good times which will eventually end. They always do. When times get harder again, grocery prices will not compensatorialy fall because most income from farm, products comes from processors.

    Sheila Jackson has delusions of adequacy as some of the folks on our favorite other blog do.

  286. White House Power says “White House Scraps Jewish Heritage Month Reception” for American Jews. They blame the sequester.

    The Obamas hosted the showing of a movie which chronicles the life of Jacky Robinson. He will host a command East Room performance “celebrating” Memphis soul music.

    There is also money to spend on Obama’s golf trips and motorcades.I’ll bet he can scrape together money to celebate Cinco de Mayo. But we can’t afford to celebrate Jews. Is it possible our president doesn’t like Jews?

  287. Washington Times “Miller: Second Amendment crumbling as gun-control victories spread”

    Two of many comments followed.”Whomever came up with the saying ‘elections have consequences’ never dreamed that it could become such and understatement.”

    Someone responded: ” Yeah, those 3 million of our Republicans who pouted because Jesus Christ himself was not a candidate, and chose to stay home and not vote, surely must be among those who didn’t understand the statement. Thanks, you spineless people ! I hope you’re happy with the one who got elected AGAIN!”

  288. White House Power says “White House Scraps Jewish Heritage Month Reception” for American Jews. They blame the sequester.

    Not the month, just the reception, right? The celebration was begun in 2006 at the urging of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Arlen Specter. Bush entertained it for 3 consecutive years and Obama for 3. So not like a long-held tradition. How could we have afforded these expenses in the past? Oh yeah, we’ve been putting it all on uncle’s unlimited credit card. Now it has a limit… well, sort of. lol.

    I’m not really into these ethnic-type celebrations, but am curious if the fed and IRS are considered celebrated achievements.

  289. Since this is a religion as salad bar thread, I have another way of looking at the issue. Progressivism in its many forms is similar to a religion which through stealth and legislative force has been imposed on our people.

    Consider the Christian attempt to convert Northern Europeans. Many still resent the imposition of a desert- based religion on northern forest and tundra dwellers who in some cases enjoyed a more egalitarian society than their conquerors.

    After the Church suffered a final defeat of the Crusades, an unruly band of soldiers probably suffering from delayed stress syndrome returned home. Leaders decided that another war should occupy their time. They would convert the last remaining pagans.

    In an earlier exchange with dead rabbit, i showed the Lithuanian pagans were converted on the surface, but they kept their old religion under the table for centuries. They behaved religiously as Ukrainian people do economically when they live in an underground economy.

    Like the Sami, who also kept much of their own religion and hybridized it with Christianity, The Lativians went further. Most do not practice any form of organized religion. Most don’t profess a belief in monotheism. Lutherans and Russian Orthodox churches do exist, but most people also hold a spiritual connection with their birch forests and bogs.

    They still hold their former oppressors in contempt.As Wikipedia noted “The preserverance of Lativian culture and language is reflective of the pride and conviction that Lativians maintain, resolutely. Centuries of attempts to stifle the Lativian peoples have been met with nearly categorical resistance and further commitment to the defense and preservation of the Lativian society.

    Consider the United States. We are evolving into a duel society with a growing underground economy as in the Ukraine and old Soviet Union. Obama may force his brand of progressivism on us but it will mostly be for show for many people. Others will break laws. . They will cope by buying and selling on the black market in ways the government can’t trace. If guns are banned, and they think they need protection they will aquire guns illegally.Some will go John Gault. Then, they will wait until the old regime collapses, even if it takes centuries..

    I could be wrong. The Soviet Union fell because it was economically moribund and could not compete with Reagan’s defense spending. The Lativians and Lithuanians are also the only surviving members of the Baltic branch of the Indo-European language family, so many lost their cultures. No matter what happens, it will be interesting to watch.

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  290. I;m not into ethnic celebrations either Poolman. The money could better be spent elsewhere. The writer’s point is that Obama is choosing winners and losers.He is more interested in furthering his agenda than in saving money.

  291. “Miller: Second Amendment crumbling as gun-control victories spread”

    Since Obama was first elected, gun and ammunition sales have increased exponentially. I wish I had invested in that industry back then, but I really wasn’t that savvy or even at all interested. I think all the talk and the mostly staged events have added to the frenzy and increased public awareness. Guns are another of those dividing issues and all that planning may have backfired (pun intended) on this administration.

    My SIL has taken it on himself to train my grandkids with guns and they really enjoy target practice. They have excelled at it, and I am guessing his actions are not unique.

  292. The writer’s point is that Obama is choosing winners and losers.He is more interested in furthering his agenda than in saving money.

    Very true. It is one of the worsening things I have noticed since O took office. Here we thought we were mending fences and burying axes by electing him, but it turns out just the opposite is true. Nowadays it isn’t the least covert.

  293. Hooray!!! Another 600K drop out of the labor force. What an achievement.

    But the market’s up. So, let’s pat Obama on the back for a job well done. He and his family deserve another conspicuously ostentatious vacation this month . Thank God he and Kerry are at least covering it with their giant contributions of their government pay to the Treasury. :roll:

    Another moronic stunt to delight morons.

    Nice budget too. Have any of the dumb fucks that watch MSNBC figured out that increased tax rates do not necessarily equal “revenue” yet? Those heartless republicans just don’t care about the little guy, do they?

    Oh, who cares? We need to focus on gun control and gay marriage and free birth control to inflame our passions for a few more news cycles.

    “Here we thought we were mending fences and burying axes by electing him, but it turns out just the opposite is true.” No shit? He had so much to offer by way of experience and plans. Who’d have thunk it? :roll:

    Damn racist republicans. They’re to blame.

  294. A good read…

    …That brings me back to Dr. Ben Carson. Recently, during an interview on FOX News, Dr. Carson created a firestorm of attacks from the left when he made comments about his views of marriage that caused him to be maligned as a bigot and a hater. In fact, in a recent poll on TPNN.com, 28 people answered no when asked if they believed that Ben Carson had the right to hold and express his own personal view of marriage! Digest that for a moment. People actually believe that Dr. Carson does not have the RIGHT to hold and express his personal view of marriage. Never mind that this is the same view that President Obama held until a few short months ago, but I digress.

    http://www.tpnn.com/dr-carson-was-right-and-the-left-cant-handle-it/

    This is our man for 2016, though I would still like to see a Palin/Whittle ticket just to see R stroke out.

  295. Tex’s take on Ebert just reminds me of how ignorant the man is (Tex, not Ebert). No one agrees with a critic 100% of the time and just because you don’t agree doesn’t make the critic a bad one. What Tex knows about the ART of film could have fit in Ebert’s pinkie.

    Besides that, faced with Ebert’s physical challenges, Tex would have shriveled up in the fetal position and died years ago. Siskel and Ebert had one major thing in common — a huge f*cking work ethic. I remember when Siskel would phone in film reviews from his hospital bed and then returned to the show visibly not the man he once was, but keeping at it until the very end.

    The same can be said of Roger. Dude went through a living hell after cancer surgeries gone wrong … wound up unable to speak or eat. Didn’t slow him down one bit. Even if I didn’t know his politics, I’d find him heroic.

    And even if Tex were a liberal, he’d still be a horse’s ass.

  296. Noah you’re getting better. A Palin/Whittle ticket is an improvement on Palin/Nugent. But I’ve got news for you. As much as I dislike Bill Whittle, the man has too much self respect to play second fiddle to Sarah Palin. So you’d have to reverse your ticket to Whittle/Palin to even stand a chance.

    I still haven’t had time to do a deep dive on Carson. I don’t get what all the hubbub is about. He was invited to speak at CPAC wasn’t he? Why?

  297. James, in the beginning of their collaboration, Siskel and Ebert from rival Chicago papers did indeed loathe each other. Years of working together fostered a professional respect and later a true friendship. When Siskel died, Ebert said he lost the closest thing he had ever had to a brother. I think you can tell from the clip I posted earlier that the guys did behave like brothers, razzing each other.

    What Tex considers a “hack” made the front page of the Chicago papers today.

  298. The thing about Whittle is he defeats you before he even speaks. As I recall he knocked your dick in the dirt so hard one time that your only response to his argument was that you would no longer watch or comment on his videos. It is amazing when you simplify things, apply some basic common sense, how easily it is to take someone like you down. The fact he remains calm while doing it hilariously stresses you out.

  299. I don’t know what the big deal is about Siskel/Ebert. They weren’t worth the time to vilify. They’re movie reviewers, not cabinet officials, for God’s sake…When I was in school, my wife and I used to watch them for entertainment, largely because we didn’t have the money to go out, or even to watch the movies they reviewed. My experience was that the movies they loved, I hated and vice-versa, so I quit watching them.

    I haven’t the slightest idea about their politics, but who do you expect as people who watch movies and talk about them? Navy SEALs?

  300. Speaking of not-worth-the-time…looks like FGs is pretty much dead. No posts from the alleged owners since before Xmas, I think. Spam and ads for drugs, not taken down.

    At one time there were people there worth debating – real, well-read intellects. Now it’s just a clique of seventh-grade girls.

    I’d still like to know who the real owners were…maybe somebody will ‘fess up eventually.

  301. I don’t know if FG’s were ever real, but it became obvious at some point someone(‘s) new started penning their page. All that seems to be left are some old hags guarding the gates of this now dead blog.

  302. That makes sense Rutherford. My first experience was with a Janane Garafalo message board, because I was a fan. it got so nasty the site was shut down a couple of times. Someone threatened to call the FBI because of the threats of violence.

    I was once banned for weeks, so twelve liberals made a new site so I could keep in touch. A newcomer vowed to get rid of all non-liberals, and he did, except for me. He even created new characters to force me out. One got away from him and became too real, which caused him to be found out.

    The last straw dropped, and I announced I was through. One or two asked me to stay because they liked the arguments. The man who had tried hardest to get rid of me wrote” Your leaving makes me sad. You were the only Republican I ever liked.” He was a Vietnam veteran with health problems. He is probably dead now. I still wish I had answered one of the saddest comments ever directed at me.

  303. “This past Monday was April Fools’ Day, and even the White House participated. Obama said he would let Americans make their own life decisions, Joe Biden said something intelligent, and Michelle Obama pretended to cancel her next 12 vacations.”
    -Jodi Miller

  304. I haven’t visited since January when I did so to learn the identity of someone posting elsewhere

    .I liked a few of the people, but visiting the site was like reliving a bad time in the service. Those men tried to harm or kill me, but like the grannies, if they are really moribund, good riddance to them. The men who are also gone I watched them fade away, one by one..Both sets of people carried the seeds of their own destruction and it was only a matter of waiting.

    Rutherford’s blog still survives. That says something good about Rutherford.

  305. Guess I don’t know the players in my own party as well as I thought I did. Could only name 12 of them without cheating.

  306. @noah 413 I don’t think you need to feel bad they are after all just people,nothing more or less. Don’t fall into the trap of idolatry & celebrity when it comes to politics. That is a big reason we have the present Oval occupant.

  307. Yes, Lurker, I have finished Racing in the Rain. As we watched Enzo’s steady decline, I thought of Pat my first dog. She was a German shepherd-collie cross we got when I was 8.

    She learned to herd our cattle and hogs, and she appeared to know she was doing something useful. Pat knew her muscles were strong and supple as she darted ahead of the animals, nipped their noses and turned them to where they were supposed to go..

    I returned home from college and we had to drive some escaped hogs back into their pen. Something was wrong from Pat’s point of view. The animals had become so much faster that she couldn’t keep up. Pat didn’t need Enzo’s desire to talk. She looked at me with eyes so sad I knew what she was thinking.

    The next day, a trucker hauled some hogs to market. Pat was there to help. Her fifteen year old body was too slow to move out of the way, and the truck killed her.

    Enzo said something like its being better not to win than to spin out. Eddie Sachs, “the Clown Prince of racing” said roughly the same thing after he sacrificed an almost sure win at the Indianapolis 500 because a tire was losing its tread.

    A few years later, he died in a mulitiple crash and terrible fire.

  308. @one of Rutherfords mantras regards the GOP. I think you saw something but through the wrong lens. The republicans are indeed in great decline but that is more because of the country than the party. You should be front and center on caring about the future and vocal on how insidious the party you support has been in that. You sir face a character counts moment far greater than any member of the GOP. That can go out to JAL too as well as the other libbies.

  309. Poolman, the GOP yes, Conservatives and Conservatism, no.

    Alfie expressed my thoughts exactly in 417. The problem with the Republican party is that they are politicians first, Republicans second. As the country’s mood shifts to accept/adapt to this socialist/communist hybrid Obama is rolling out, Republicans are scrambling to find their place in it rather than trying to reverse it. That is my disconnect with today’s Republicans and why I have entrenched myself within the Conservative movement.

  310. James – Have you seen “Hoggers?” I think it is on A&E. Wild pigs have become a real menace in Texas, and this family makes a living hunting them. Normally I don’t go for that sort of thing, but I really like these people.

  311. Very entertaining explanation of how Hussein and The Bernank are destroying – not only our own economy – but that of the whole world.

    There’s no math in it, Rutherford. It is very much worth the time to watch.

  312. For once Noah you show some insight, particularly into what pushes my buttons. It’s that “calm” of Whittle that makes me want to punch him right in the face.

  313. “You were the only Republican I ever liked”

    James I will say that no matter how wacky I find SOME of your political views, I do find you immensely likable. I greatly admire and envy those who can remain gentlemen in the heat of battle. Perhaps you left the “savage” behind in the war?

    I can honestly say from the little I know of you, you’re a better man for your suffering.

  314. I thought I’d go through the comments since Friday and see what the bastion of liberalism had to say about the jobs report, considering the importance employment has for the host.

    Yeah, I didn’t think he’d write on it either.

    R, I frankly give two shits about Ebert. Literally, I could not care less about what he did, who he did it for, or what people thought about his opinion. I’d be willing to wager that the VAST majority of Americans share my opinion–who gives a fuck–about Ebert.

    No, I’m much more interested in how our economy is growing and improving under your Chicago Jesus. You’ve bowed at the alter, so please, to us in the unwashed masses, explain how he’s making bread and fishes for a country accelerating towards debt.

    Just for the record, this is the second or third time I’ve asked you to do a real, no shit, honest to god assessment of Obama and how he is living up to his promises. This isn’t a jab–I can’t tout anything he’s done and readily admit that at this point, my bias will prevent me from seeing some silver lining to the cat 5 hurricane that is Obama. You actually believe him, so how about it, are we going to see something of substance or more drivel on some clown who reviews movies that more and more Americans can’t afford to go to anymore?

  315. My wife said “Fix that gutter downspout TODAY!”

    So I invited the boys over. One brought his welder the others brought beer. Took us about 4 hours, mostly for the beer, but we got the downspout fixed.

    Wife is still speechless… I’m certain not for much longer tho’.

  316. Thanks, Rutherford. You know I like you too.Yes, my experiences before and after I returned to the US made me stronger, tougher, and better able to compartmentalize. I am like a cockroach. I always survive.

    I’m glad you all overlook and ignore my irritating habit of suggesting videos, often of exotic singers no one here ever heard of. Here is another you should see. We know about American’s current gun and ammunition-buying mania.

    We also realize some fantasize about defending us from our government or an invader. It is as unlikely as a blizzard in May, but it could happen here.

    Sarajevo War ’92..but we’re never gonna survive, unless…we get a little crazy Youtube video. It shows normal teenagers and old men like us in battle, weeping women, and make- shift hospitals.

    Amononimni Nadreaslista a commenter wrote “We fought for our single and unified Bosnia and Herzegovina where more than 100,000 were killed, and we fought for our Sarajevo, which was 1425 days (four years) under the siege, where 12,000 were killed and 50,000 seriously wounded citizens. Guess what, WE SURVIVED!!!”

    This video hints at the cost. “Crazy” by Seal is provides the backdrop. I think it is his second best song.

  317. I agree with an800poundgorilla about defending Obama. The liberals here can’t defend him, and they are smart enough to know it.

    Your downspout story was funny, Pfessor.

    We don’t have cable, so I have never seen “Hoggers.” Feral hogs are a serious problem. They are smart and destructive. The beasts have been seen as far north as southwest Iowa. Mountain lions are slowly moving back into our area, and an extension official in Missouri said one advantage to the mountain lions is they will eat feral hogs.

    The Spanish also left cattle behind. The long horned animals thrived in the southern plains of Texas and multiplied to nuisance level.

    Improved technology and demands of the Civil War prompted some savey men to round up the cattle and drive them to northern meat packing cities. Some drovers reported that their cattle spooked when they saw some of their first trees near the rail head at Sedalia, Missouri.

    In those days, calling a man a cowboy was a fighting words insult. Cowboys sang to their cattle for the same reasons, Sami herders sing to their reindeer– to calm them and to drive away predators.

  318. Horses evolved in America, but they became extinct with many other animals when the last Ice Age ended. The Spanish also brought horses back home just as the British through the Beatles and other bands returned Rock and Roll to its birth place.

    Margarette Thatcher died.She was a great leader who helped defeat the Soviet Union.

  319. Not surprised to come back to silence from the Obama fans here regarding that abysmal jobs report. Not even a token effort to blame it on GOP obstruction or the sequester.

    Looks like the re-election took all the fight they had in ‘em.

  320. Margarette Thatcher died.She was a great leader who helped defeat the Soviet Union.

    Her relations with the pedophile Jimmy Saville have been brought out by the ongoing investigation into that network that is causing much stink in the UK right now. The network involves all the higher institutions of state with strong and irrefutable ties the crown. Many have lost their lives and livelihoods in pursuit of evidence and justice. Though they have tried to keep it hushed, it has been too messy and widespread for that.

    The Soviets were not defeated. It was a white wash. Like the Nazis, they only morphed into hidden realms, still operating and protected by the PTB. I’m certain I linked Operation Paperclip before. Nothing except for the public narrative has changed.

    Looks like the re-election took all the fight they had in ‘em.

    I think all their effort is focusing on how to make communism sound progressive and positive and what they actually wanted all along. It just takes awhile for all the peeps to bleat in unison.

  321. R and the other Libs have quit. The only time any of them come on is when they see the opportunity to point out when someone is wrong.

  322. Yes, the Soviet union as a government was defeated. Its downfall was the culmination of numerous forces which overwhelmed the system the way age destroys a 100 year old person. People in the satalite nations like Poland and Ukraine were in active if mostly peaceful revolt during the eighties.. They were circulating video tapes and other means to secretly coordinate passive resistance and economic sabatage.

    Reagan, Thatcher, Lech Walenski, the Pope and others who publicaly and privately opposed the Soviet’s expansionism and showed Gorbachev their economy could not match spending the West was prepared to bury them under forced the Soviets to make a deal. Afghanistan also disenchanted the people and also further weakened the Soviet’s position.

    Soviet aggression though Central American and African independence movements stopped immediately, and Boris Yeltson tried to create a capitalistic economy with some advice from our neoconservatives. The result was a pernicous oligarchical form of capitalism which made the Russians so poor they had to rent tourist space on their space craft.

    Now, the Russians have more money, and Putin, an old KGB organization man wants to revive Russia’s old glory though authoritatism. He hasn’t won the battle yet as the uproar over Pussy Riot and other arrests show. Thousands of people have demonstrated, and they would have been shot or jailed under the old Soviet Union.

    Russia is still a different country from Soviet days, though it may morph into another version. In fact, they are in some ways more conservative than we. Recent articles in Pravda warned the United States to spend less money and to keep our guns. Before the election, a Russian reporter gave Obama the finger though she denied it was directed toward our president. It is probably still on YouTube.

    If Jimmy Savile and Margaret Thatcher had a connection and she knew what was going on, it is a black mark against her.Her sheen is scuffed. It still doesn’t negate her other accomplishments any more than it did for liberals who had a connection with Jim Jones.

  323. . I remember the Mickey Mouse club Mousketeres dressed in cowboy suites and riding fake horses as they sang “Today is Tuesday. You know what that means. We’re going to have a special guest.” Death was Annette’s special guest today.

  324. Russia is still a different country from Soviet days, though it may morph into another version.

    So is America, though the name hasn’t changed and the PTB behind these public facades and various statisms have not either. There are still ongoing power plays between one mob and the others. The ‘reds’ still have a global network and vie for control. Today we think privatization is the answer, yet it has been the problem and reason for the globe’s inequality all along.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/23/world/berezovsky-death

    Slice into any political pie and you’ll discover the same grubs and maggots.

  325. R.I.P. Lady Thatcher. Thank you for all you did for your country, and ours.

    Before The Iron Lady took over the reins, as the U.K. slid down the socialist sh*t-pipe, best estimates were that, by 2030, Britain would have the GDP of Albania.

    Of course, now it’s heading there again. But at least they’ll have us for company.

  326. If Jimmy Savile and Margaret Thatcher had a connection and she knew what was going on, it is a black mark against her.

    Correspondence showing the depth of the friendship between Sir Jimmy Savile and former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher is unveiled today in a secret Downing Street file that has been heavily redacted by civil servants following revelations about sexual abuse by the late entertainer.

    The 21-page dossier released under the 30-year rule by the National Archives shows Savile’s extraordinary access to the highest echelons of British society, chronicling lunches and personal letters between Mrs Thatcher and the DJ in the 1980s.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-jimmy-saviles-close-friendship-with-margaret-thatcher-8432351.html

    This site has been keeping up with latest and has a current post on Thatcher:

    http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2013/04/thatcher-gay-icon-and-friend-of-israel.html

  327. @ Rutherford
    I am sincere when I say I am glad you got the job and are spending more time with the family but AAA has killed your political blogging. Perhaps it is just as well since you really can’t keep up with the worthy shellacking your causes get but on a more personal note….I hope you don’t lose the desire to seek out things political,and I totally hope you find the ability to aim at your side. That is my parting bit of friendship to you.

  328. Strange to be called ignorant by a man that works as dispatcher from ‘AAA’. :twisted: I give you one thing you should have learned from what very, very, very little you know of Christianity. The reason you’re enjoying dispatch is that it took you 52 years to learn the joy of something called servitude. Finally, you found something where you actually have a use, albeit one even the lowest of flunkies capable. Congratulations.

    The same can be said of Roger. Dude went through a living hell after cancer surgeries gone wrong … wound up unable to speak or eat. Didn’t slow him down one bit. Even if I didn’t know his politics, I’d find him heroic.

    Fetal position. {snicker} From a fat, ugly toadstool who spent his days looking for love in all the wrong places and reviewed movies for a living. :lol: What a brave, brave man was Roger Ebert. :smile:

    You’re a real hero, Rutherford. My idol.

  329. Ebert made the headlines, hey? WOW! So do the editors and Saddam when they die as the rest of America stands up and cheers their imminent decline. Add that to my list of being a horse’s ass.

    I never realized what an odd, little man you were Rutherford until recently. Not only are your tastes eclectic. That bubble you live in as I recently discovered is made of transparent Kevlar. You will die Peter Pan.

    I feel like I’m picking on a little kid now. :razz:
    :lol:

    So, how’s the flats? I thought I was going to have to call you today to cash in. If I ever hear that gravel sounding Demi Moore voice on the other end, I’ll take an effeminate tone.

    Best I can say for you anymore is at least you’re not a fag. I guess I could add Roger Ebert to that list.

  330. P.S. I second Pfesser’s thank you Dame Margaret – a true hero, say unlike movie reviewers.

    Forget Thatcher’s strength and role in world leadership for one moment. Her witty, incredibly fast retorts and understanding of capitalism was enough for her to be a heroine to me. I very much admire this lovely lady.

    Truly, the world did lose an outstanding woman today.

  331. If Obama worked as hard on promoting economic growth as he does on gun control he’d have cut his unemployment numbers in half and we would have seen real recovery.

  332. O isn’t tasked to promote economic growth. All he has is lip service to offer in that regard in an effort to appease the masses. He is playing the part he was tasked to perform within the global cabal’s agenda. Essentially, get more people dependent on the state and remove any physical and legal deterrent from instigating full control up to and including martial law.

    Gun control confiscation is a UN mandate. That, along with the instigation of trade agreements that disenfranchise American citizens and their rights along with continued special treatment of too big to fail institutions is his purpose.

  333. Agreed Huck. But actually my personal request of Obama and being apparent that Obama a self-indulgent demagogue and little more, IMO what Obama could do best for this country in the way of economic growth would be…

    First to admit government cannot create growth and that private industry does; and two, apologize to the nation for his gross incompetence, meddling, and the request that all programs he has implemented in the way of healthcare, taxes and compliance during his first term be immediately be rescinded.

    Obama is doing exactly what he wishes to do: radical transform America into statism and complete government dependence. He and the lackeys who voted for him including the weak willed here have no idea what is coming.

  334. G you need a new diet or something as your mood continues to stink. As much as I might have wanted to, I didn’t write a post about Ebert. I simply made a comment among “friends”. Never claimed his death should rock your world. So chillax.

    However you have been on my mind recently as by end of last year you just about had me convinced of your pro-gun stance. It took none other than Rachel Maddow to remind me to trust my first instincts and ignore your gun expert macho BS. I’m annoyed at myself for ever buying into it.

  335. “I’m annoyed at myself for ever buying into it.”

    What should annoy you is your inability to allow yourself to actually think for yourself. You’ve all but admitted here that your own thought processes can be overridden by Rachel fucking Maddow.

    This is fodder for mockery. We already knew what I said above is true. All you’ve done is confirm it.

  336. It’s worse than that, Huck. You touched on it about inability of Rutherford to think for himself. Remember those Dear Leader types at Fat Grannies I once directed you to? Well, Rutherford isn’t reading Fat Grannies, though he’s in agreement with them 99% of the time. I don’t know why he isn’t a charter member.

    But Rutherford is every bit the Journolist muppet, which is where Chas Maddow gets its material. Leftist shit rolls downhill and Rutherford is standing at the bottom with mouth agape.

    Perhaps his “friends” might find his debating skills a little more credible if we ever thought Rutherford wasn’t an MSNBC marionette with a stick up his ass for hand puppet, or a missing link when he can’t bother to answer.

    Even lackeys like Rutherford have run out of excuses for how poorly this country is being run by his mentors.

  337. Well, Rachel Maddow is someone I watch occasionally (it’s been awhile) and have agreed with much of her reporting over the years, but I definitely know she has areas where she cannot tread and remain in the position that she is. Here as an article describing some of those topics as written by a fan of hers:

    http://consortiumnews.com/2013/01/09/where-rachel-maddow-dare-not-tread/

    I thought the article posted several threads ago (by you, as a matter of fact and for your bil) was the be all and end all regarding the gun control issue. How wishy-washy of you to now run to the MSM camp of leftist propaganda spin to define your ideals.

    I get that it is uncomfortable to be in your position, given the current policies this administration has stood for that in no way follow what this president campaigned on. I get that you need to hold onto any pride you have left in the face of so called conservatives as they lump the current administration’s failures together with all of liberal theology.

    But seriously, can you go for a point of clear logic to a state of delusion regarding one topic entirely because of peer pressure? Apparently so. Is it fear, insecurity, or both? I don’t care if I stand alone as long as I believe in what I stand on. But then, my destiny is determined and my time here is in my Lord’s hands. He can spend me like a coin, however and whenever He so desires.

    I have watched this nation stumble and fall and continue headlong down an evil path due primarily to pride. National pride. Fascism. Patriotism. Call it what you will. Whatever the label, it is extremely harmful when it clouds one’s vision and critical thinking. My views are not necessarily the popular ones. Oh well. I am not out to win any popularity contests or amass a vast amount of friends.

  338. Not interested, Poolman. Since I find you a heretic and Pharisee of the worst sort, far worse than any unbeliever as you will discover, what you think and your incessant Jew baiting doesn’t concern me. I fully expect your miserable life to continue being cursed.

    I simply have chosen to keep the peace to not bore people further. I’ll let God deal with you, as I find you and your wife negative, wretched, ignorant, and unedifying people not worth the bother. :wink:

  339. Here is the problem R Guns don’t kill people, people using guns kill people. It is our flawed nature as human beings that is the problem, not the tools we use to implement our flaws. The man who killed those kids, he broke 41 laws in doing it, why do you think a 42nd would have made a difference? We all know that same day a man in China went on a killing spree in a school with a knife, same results. No gun law could have prevented a bad person from doing a bad thing, but better mental health screenings might have. You and yours continue the folly of going after he symptom and not the problem. Use your head for something other than a hat rack, or at least stop dishonoring the memories of those slain children by pretending they are your motivation.

  340. I’ll let God deal with you

    Amen. It’s ongoing. He disciplines His own. I can testify to that. His rod and staff, I’ve experienced both. But for some reason he’s placed you in my path, curious as it is. He ALWAYS has a purpose, though it escapes me here. :grin:

  341. Really? Well God gave me a different message. He called your hideous wife Jezebel Deluxe and you Goober, the Fool’s Gold Goat.

    But He then told me they didn’t have a rope big enough to flog your fat wife to make a dent and you weren’t worth the rope because you’d been stealing out of the church basket to pay your internet bill.

    What do you think about those apples, Goober?

  342. That’s what happens when you listen to that kosher god of yours. Hope you like the company of goats. :lol:

  343. OMG! :shock: I can’t believe the mileage this event is getting. This country resembles a f**kin circus, more and more and minute by minute. PTBarnum was quite the prophet.

    President Barack Obama is providing a ride on Air Force One to 11 relatives of those killed at Connecticut’s Sandy Hook Elementary School so they can attend his gun control speech Monday before heading to Washington to personally plead with senators reluctant to back gun legislation.

    http://news.yahoo.com/obama-bring-sandy-hook-families-af1-150654315–politics.html

  344. poolman@457. Most times Hussein just makes me disgusted. This time he makes me genuinely nauseated.

    He reminds me of my relatives who have taken over my grandparents’ — later my parents,’ later MY home. Just like f’in hillbilly rats. I had the opportunity to buy my brother’s share and didn’t do it, so the homeplace went to his female kids and their live-in hillbilly shack-ups when he died. I didn’t want to spend the money at the time; God what a mistake… I have lost ten times that much in gray hairs as I watch the escapees from “Justified” infect and infest my personal Canaan.

    Talk about infestation. Just look to DC. How in God’s name does anyone get the kind of attitude of Hussein Obama? What happened to him during his childhood and college years? Once again I have that sick, helpless – and hopeless – feeling that I remember so well from the Carter years. I remember telling my new wife at that time how amazed I was by the damage that could be inflicted by ONE bad president. A curse on all their houses. Let us hope – and for you praying types – pray, that we somehow survive the coming storm.

  345. I see that the Phelps clan picketed Ebert’s funeral. In some states, they pay bounties for the ears of varmints, like coyotes. How about we start a fund to pay for the ears of the Westboro varmints? Thousands – hell, maybe millions – would donate, and as the bounty went up, up, up, I think somebody might just turn some of them into “good Westboro Churchers.”

    Anybody know how to set up an anonymous donation site? If so, I’ll be the first donor!

  346. Ask them how they did two Aprils ago in WV, at the Upper Big Branch mine disaster. They were having trouble finding the mine; somehow the word got out that these people had Kansas license plates, and being out of staters, they got mixed up on those WV roads.

    One guy stopped at a convenience store and started handing out flyers. Unfortunately he didn’t recognize the miner’s uniform with the reflective tapes, and handed a flyer out to a burly miner.

    They say is was marvelous to watch. The fellow leveled out about four feet above the ground.

    A watching state trooper arrested the Westboro fellow and told the miner to go on to work.

    They have no idea – no idea – how close that female lawyer came to taking a 30.06 round between the tits. Only her kids being there saved her, so I’m told.

    Tough call. I guess the rifleman did the right thing; I don’t know…

  347. Nebraska Senator Mike Johnnans said this morning that background checks look good on paper, but they are filled with unintended consequences.

    The Democratic suggestions Obama is using the blood and dead bodies of children to arouse enough emotions to convert into law would not have prevented the school shooting nor future mass murders. We need to address mental health problems and the effect of the entertainment industry on potential nut cases.

    Obama is the way he is because socialists and communists raised him. Someone with money paid for his education and paved the way for his political career. All of this was known to anyone who had the time to look back before the election in 2008.

    Gullible people gave this man a Nobel Peace Prize because he wasn’t Bush. Then, they elected him president. Some have buyers’ remorse, but many are too ignorant to realize how badly this man and his allies have hurt them.

    We now reap the whirlwind.

    I am tired with little sleep because of a strong to severe thunderstorm outbreak ahead of ice and snow.

  348. The rifleman should have shot her in the shins. She would still live, but would be crippled perhaps for the rest of her life. More suffering that way.

    He probably did the right thing in not breaking any commandments and risking jail time.

  349. 38 39 TEXAS PROVERBS !!!

    1. Don’t name a pig you plan to eat.
    2. Country fences need to be horse high, pig tight, and bull
    strong.
    3. Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but
    how well you bounce.
    4. Life is simpler when you learn to plough around the stump.
    5. A bumblebee is faster than a John Deere tractor.
    6. Words that soak into your ears are whispered, not yelled.
    7. Meanness don’t happen overnight.
    8. Forgive your enemies. It messes with their heads.
    9. Don’t sell your mule to buy a plough.
    10. Never corner something that is meaner than you are .
    11. It doesn’t take a very big person to carry a grudge.
    12. You can’t unsay a cruel thing.
    13. Every path has some puddles.
    14. When you wallow with pigs, expect to get dirty.
    15. The best sermons are lived, not preached.
    16. Most of the stuff people worry about never happens.
    17. Don’t squat with your spurs on.
    18. Don’t judge people by their relatives.
    19. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer.
    20. Live a good, honorable life. Then when you think back, you’ll
    enjoy it a second time.
    21. Don’t interfere with something that ain’t botherin’ you none.
    22. Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.
    23. It’s better to be a has-been than a never-was.
    24. The easiest way to eat crow is while it’s still warm. The colder
    it gets, the harder it is to swallow.
    25. If you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop
    diggin’.
    26. If it don’t seem like it’s worth the effort, it probably isn’t .
    27. It doesn’t take a genius to spot a goat in a flock of sheep.
    28. Sometimes you get and sometimes you get got.
    29. The biggest troublemaker you’ll probably ever have to deal with
    watches you in the mirror every morning.
    30. If you get to thinkin’ you’re a person of some influence, try
    orderin’ somebody else’s dog around.
    31. Don’t worry about bitin’ off more’n you can chew; your mouth is
    probably a whole lot bigger’n you think.
    32. Only cows know why they stampede.
    33. Always drink upstream from the herd.
    34. If you’re ridin’ ahead of the herd, take a look back every now
    and then to make sure it’s still there with you.
    35. Good judgment comes from experience, and a lotta that comes from bad judgment.
    36. Lettin’ the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier than puttin’
    it back.
    37. You can’t tell how good a man or a watermelon is ’till they get
    thumped.
    38. Never miss a good chance to shut up.
    39. If you’re on a street with two directions, be careful how you cross.

  350. No need to cut off ears, Pfesser. If the rest of the nation followed Oklahoma’s lead, I doubt Westboro would be nearly as frequently seen…

    Based on prior comments, Tex, you’d be right there with the Westboro boys jeering at Ebert’s dead body. So who are you kidding?

  351. Strange to be called ignorant by a man that works as dispatcher from ‘AAA’. …Finally, you found something where you actually have a use, albeit one even the lowest of flunkies capable. Congratulations.

    If you want to play ping-pong I’ll be glad to oblige. Every time you toss an insult about my job over the net, I shall volley back the following:

    You’re a lazy shit who mooches off his hard working wife.

    Heck I may even put the phrase in a Notepad file so it’s just a copy/paste away. That way I don’t waste unnecessary keystrokes on your bullsh*t. When you stop, so will I.

  352. I can’t believe the mileage this event is getting.

    On the one hand, Poolman, we cannot talk enough about this senseless tragedy.

    On the other hand, the ride on AF-1 is a distasteful publicity stunt. “Ride on Obama’s plane and you’ll feel better about your dead kid.”

    I must agree with some of my cohorts here that Obama has not done enough to tamp down the cult of personality. There are days when I feel I’ll be very relieved in 2017 when this experiment in social advancement is over. Of course, after this, we get to see the ooooo’s and awww’s of a vagina in the White House. Another cult on the way.

    I don’t know whether it’s the job, or this world, but damn I’m tired.

  353. You’re a lazy shit who mooches off his hard working savings account accumulated from 1982 – 2003 wife.

    FYFI…dispatch. Hopefully, that tired is a sign of shutting down. I can’t off hand thing of a more deserving tool to quickly find out how really foolish he is. :wink:

  354. Based on prior comments, Tex, you’d be right there with the Westboro boys jeering at Ebert’s dead body. So who are you kidding?

    Well, now I have to admit I relish thinking of assholes properly memorializing another asshole like Roger Ebert, but let us not lie to ourselves, dispatch.

    It’s you who for four years openly rooted for the death of American “mercenaries” posing as soldiers in Iraq so your equally sordid, unqualified affirmative action candidate could score political points. I’ve been pretty adamant about my admiration for the military and would happily flatten a few asses and tires of the Phelps gang at a military funeral.

    You? You’d be to busy bad mouthing George Bush with your no blood for oil posters and posing with Code Pink to notice you were standing with Westboro – more good Democrats, I would remind you.

    You’re not fooling anybody, Rutherford. I saw your pictures. Hell, I know what your sister and daddy look like. :smile:

    I thought you were some technical wizard? LOL

  355. Yeah you and your savings account. I used the same rationalization using up my 401K. Bottom line is the account ain’t getting any bigger from your effort. It will run dry, and as I say, you’ll be a lazy shit until the empty account forces your hand. Puhleeeze.

    In 471 you confuse me with someone else. I never rooted for our troops to die in Iraq. As you well know, politics really didn’t capture my imagination until the 2008 election got underway in 2007. This blog did not exist for most of Bush’s admin. So I don’t know what imaginary person you’re attacking.

    And WTF does a pic of my Dad or sister have to do with the price of tea in China? I think you and the late Thatcher have something in common — dementia.

    P.S. Not a damn thing on my FB page that I care to keep secret. So you “saw” my family. Ohhhh God you’re such an Internet forensic genius. I have since changed my privacy settings … never occurred to me that folks like you would be a jerk about it.

  356. Hey you, the “math” major (cough cough). Not to rub it in and I wouldn’t if you weren’t such a hate filled, bitter little troll faced, duplicitous liar and hack, BUT…..

    While you were paying taxes and penalty on your 401K, mine cost me nothing but the withdrawal – and it’s still there. Cash. Just waiting for my grubby, gnarled hands. What am I going to do with it? Let you progs steal some more of it like they’ve now proposed to 401k holders withdrawing too much a year? No way, Jose. I’m on the Love Train…and you are the caboose.

    Bottom line is the account ain’t getting any bigger from your effort.

    True. But my wife’s is. And so is her pension. And as long as my wife and kids are okay and they are, frankly I’m not too worried about little old me. Whatever comes, I deserved it. Self admitted untalented, lazy ass. But I’m lucky. :smile: Perhaps you’ll get lucky and I’ll die or my wife will wise up and run me off. :wink: My dad is now completely an invalid and when it quits raining, I will be building them an access ramp for his wheel chair so that they may stay in that godforsaken house as long as possible. I’m not quite the monster you think. :wink:

    But while you were “marketing” your incredible skills to an unknown audience of undefined success, I have been having the ride of my life which has lasted to the point of I am now of unclear purpose. Plus, this little sabbatical has allowed me to care for two elderly parents.

    Here’s how much I’ve hit my 401K – nothing. Here’s how much I hit my personal IRAs – nothing. As far as the saving’s account decreasing? Yeah, it has. Yours will too win you send Alashawndre Tomisha to college. Wait until Wanda’s heart gets a gander of that cost. LUB DUB, LUB DUB, LUB dub, lub dub, lub…

    Buwahahahahaha…

    The Facebook Page was just being funny – I did you favor. Besides, you should be proud of your family. Alashawndre is quite cute.

    And politics didn’t just capture your attention – it’s your religion. Don’t give me your bullshit about entering politics in 2008. SNORT. You and your wife probably danced to the MSNBC Theme song at your wedding.

  357. You need for it to be my religion. It ain’t. As for “Alashawndre Tomisha” you are really too much. I laugh ten times harder at “black” manufactured names than you do. I even had a joke I used to tell my late Mom about the phenom — I called it BPPD “Black Post-Partum Demenntia”. The only criticism I can get for my kid’s name is how common it is — 4th most popular name in 2011 according to one site I looked at. In fact, my Mom, Dad, sister, wife and daughter all have/had common names — GASP even Christian ones!!!

    Oh getting back to politics as religion for one second — I have ZERO interest in local politics. If it was my religion as you say, don’t you think I’d be involved on a local level?

  358. BTW, I will grant you the difference between savings and 401K. The penalties burned my ass badly.

    I know in the next life to live in OK where a mansion can be bought for the price of a northeast corridor outhouse. Hell …. screw Illinois, I shoulda moved the family right next door to you. I’d be living like a king … and you could come over and build me my access ramp for my house. ;-)

  359. Oh getting back to politics as religion for one second — I have ZERO interest in local politics. If it was my religion as you say, don’t you think I’d be involved on a local level?

    Of course they burned your ass badly. Back when I had a bit of respect for you honesty, or so I thought, I couldn’t help but admire the sacrifice you yielded to stay honest. I assume now it was simply pride.

    I don’t mean to be harsh, but exactly what are you going to offer at the local level that might pique the interest of potential candidates that you could offer of interest or benefit? You’re a newbie. Let time pass and you become more aware, and you’ll be blowing Rahm juice too.

    I guess I presupposed you were at least smart enough to know local politics is about connections. Actually, local politics affects most of us far more than the federal level that we argue. Do you know how much corruption is going on behind closed doors that affects all of us? And that is apolitical. That’s what you should be involved in. You might actually be of use instead of a lackey.

    ————

    Rutherford, one’s “religion” is one’s passion. There was a time not too many months ago where I actually kind of respected you, though we are polar opposites. This last election propaganda, your radio brouhaha where it far more difficult to hide the shortcomings, your incessant mocking of my faith, and your tweets finally convinced me that I was way wrong.

    But me giving you crap about your job is seriously one of admiration and perhaps a little anger and disgust that this bill of goods our generation sold was based on lies. Lies. Nothing but lies. Cronyism and nepotism, bullshit lines like emotional IQ. These “leaders” of community remind me more of fraternity brothers than real leaders.

    I have heard our generation, the back of the baby boom generation, never made the sacrifices of our fathers. Maybe so. But most were never afforded the same opportunities as their fathers either, the same quality of parenting and foresight. In my book, that too is sacrifice.

    My biggest regret is that I didn’t have the character or insight to stop and pursue a career that was based on merit, if they exist. For example, Pfesser took a far smarter rout than I did. I am ashamed to say I was so caught up in life, I never contemplated the thought.

  360. Well we have established Rutherford has time to post meaningful content, but has chosen not to. Draw your own conclusions but I think it speaks to R’s credibility that he avoids contributing to his blog when things are not looking good for his side.

  361. However you have been on my mind recently as by end of last year you just about had me convinced of your pro-gun stance. It took none other than Rachel Maddow to remind me to trust my first instincts and ignore your gun expert macho BS. I’m annoyed at myself for ever buying into it.” – R

    Explain please. What could she have possibly said that was A) accurate, B) enlightening, C) honest?

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