Is Our Eye on the Wrong Ball?

February 12, 2013 at 11:18 pm 426 comments

While we pop Rolaids over Iran getting the bomb (when they’re not even close), North Korea has detonated its most powerful nuclear bomb yet. They are also developing miniaturization that will allow the same blast in a smaller payload, easier to deliver to the USA.

Oh well, maybe when they threaten to annihilate Israel we’ll pay some serious attention.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  • 1. dead rabbit  |  February 13, 2013 at 12:40 am

    28,000 soldiers and marines are in Korea right now. There are Americans staring down North Korean slave soldiers as we speak.

    Are you calling for war?

    You might get one. East Asia is a tinder box right now, if you ask me.

  • 3. James  |  February 13, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Obama’s anti- colonial back ground expresses itself in his desire to destroy American exceptionalism and wean us away from world leadership to being one of many. He will make some pretty speeches, but the status quo will remain.

    China is North Korea’s primary big power ally. They retreated inward around 1453, and now they have ambitions for world leadership. North Korea, like Iran has connections with countries like Venesuala and Iran. In the future China may use North Korea as its proxy the way both sides used Vietnam.

    I agree with you and dead rabbit, but I think that under this administration we will muddle through as we approach a potential disaster.

  • 4. James  |  February 13, 2013 at 10:31 am

    The real danger of a Korean bomb and missile is not that it would hit specific targets but that it could be exploded high in the atmosphere overhead.

    it could fry our electronics and take us back to the preindustrial age.

  • 5. poolman  |  February 13, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Part of the axis of evil, remember? They are a part of the designated enemies. We have a history of messing with Korea, part of our posturing with China.

    Remember all our atomic weapons tests since WWII (hundreds) and how the signatures of those events are still present in our shared environment. We just don’t like it when other people do it. That’s how we roll.

    The media will gin up a terror threat and Korea will act their part. We do our part to keep provoking a conflict, even as we have established our puppet in S Korea. The bigger purpose has always been keeping China in check.

    What do you find more dangerous, their present nuclear posturing or the slow but steady influence in our own society, helping to change our culture and value system, ala Sun Myung Moon and the Unification Church?

  • 6. dead rabbit  |  February 13, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    “The guy who cries about the debt Democrats are putting on his kids suddenly doesn’t care if they win elections because elections aren’t important anymore. Hucking

    What a joke.”

    Never said I don’t care if they win elections. I said if they have to hide or down play a pro life stance I don’t care if they win elections. See the difference?

    You want to talk about a joke?

    The amount of debt the GOP is also responsible for.

    I’m willing to bet the staunchest deficit hawks are also the pro life wing of the party. I could be wrong.

    As for your stats. No doubt, Liberal women are for abortion. I don’t contest that. What I will contest is some doctor coming in here and throwing around falsehoods about the American stance on abortion. Even worse, he used this false “will of the people” as a reason I should shut the fuck up. I proved him wrong.

    I liked your stats. It shows a nation evenly divided on abortion. It also shows a nation that has changed since the cultural revolution. A country much more inclined to take a negative view on baby murder.

    Of course the Republicans loses votes over abortion. They lose votes over many of the stances they take.That’s what happens when you take a stance.

    I like people who take stances, period. To be perfectly honest, I like people who take stances and stick to them even if I disagree.

    That’s why its so hard to stomach 95% of liberals. Look this blog. Aghast a few years back over water boarding. Crickets over drone murder.

    I’m really curious what “tactic” you think pro life Republicans should take? Is down playing or hiding the fact they are pro life a tactic?

  • 7. dead rabbit  |  February 13, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    “If you want to go with the morons who walk around saying a uterus shuts down during a rape, be my guest, man. At least he’s calling it like he sees it, right?”

    Dude….a couple whack job comments. Yes, those few people deserve to lose. Are you trying to imply that is mainstream pro life thought?

  • 8. dead rabbit  |  February 13, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    I don’t understand how your advice for Romney is changing tactics. Your advice for Romney is my advice for Romney. Take abortion head on. Be straight up about it. This might be my poor comprehension skills again, old wise perennial grad student. If it is, my bad.

  • 9. PFesser  |  February 13, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    It would be very interesting to see if they want to lob their device, say, over Los Angeles. Others on this god-forsaken planet have earned the wages of misreading America’s willingness to fight, but some never seem to learn.

    Let me see…the N. Koreans have a five thousand ton-equivalent weapon. The Hiroshima bomb was 20 kilotons or thereabouts. Our standard fusion warhead in our arsenal is five million ton equivalents, and each missile can carry, it is believed, ten or so.

    Don’t pull the dragon’s tail, little boy. You will only pull it once.

  • 10. dead rabbit  |  February 13, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    I wonder what the fall out would be for South Korea?

  • 11. PFesser  |  February 13, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    The Huck noted:

    “The GOP that you had no problems voting for last November is getting its ass kicked in messaging. And one of those messages is the ridiculous “war on women” meme, which has been largely driven by the abortion debate. You can talk about Gallup and Plato and Steven Hawking all you want. Meanwhile, Barack Obama delivers another State of the Union address. I hope you enjoyed it.”

    Well spoken. Large HT.

    It’s always couched in terms of, “We are the moral paragons, and we don’t compromise our moral values,” isn’t it? Well, since it’s ALL moral values, then we don’t compromise at all, do we? And our Boy Barack points out that we are a bunch of unreasonable, uncompromising, rock-ribbed bigots, (not that hard, actually) and we lose every election. Nice going. (News flash: the rest of us Republican supporters would prefer that you didn’t take us with you.)

    Wise up, boys. You are so focused on controlling the girls’ twats that you can’t see you are giving away everything, including control of THAT. Kind of ironical, ain’t it? What did Anne Murray say? “The thing that I want most in life’s the thing that I can’t win.” Maybe your behavior has something to do with it…

  • 12. Just a Lurker  |  February 13, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    R – for you
    A Letter from Kim Jong-un
    ….“That is why today I am founding the Nuclear Retaliation Association to defend the sovereign right of every nation on the planet to engulf that planet in a hellish inferno. If you join today, we will waive the initiation fee and send you this bumper sticker: “Nuclear weapons don’t kill people. People kill people who don’t have nuclear weapons.”…

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/02/a-letter-from-kim-jong-un.html?mbid=nl_Borowitz%20(81)

  • 13. PFesser  |  February 13, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    Noah – re: single or double murder of pregnant lady. Don’t read too much into it. Brandeis said: “Stare decisis is usually the wise policy, because in most matters it is more important that the applicable rule of law be settled than that it be settled right… “ The argument can always be made as you have, that if it were not held to be double murder, the law would be inconsistent, but complications engendered by the “double murder” concept would seem to me to be too much.

    Just my .05; I am way over my head in this; some lawyer-fella or gal help us out.

  • 14. dead rabbit  |  February 13, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Girls’ twats? I’m talking nothing about their twats and you know it. I’m talking about another living human. Disagree with me all you want about said human, but tossing around idiotic liberal memes like that makes you a moron, despite how much you like to trumpet your smarts,

    Does that look like a vagina to you? The fact an educated man like yourself resorts to such cheap tripe should be a red flag to any one on the fence. Just like your 70% lie.

    You lecturing me about costing Republican elections is rich. You voted for Obama, dunce.

    If freedom is a moral value you mock, I don’t know what to say. I believe all human life deserves freedom. Laugh at me all you want.

    We are losing elections because Obama gives shit away. End of story. Not because of pro lifers. Or your Christian Illuminati you used to write about all the time (and then mysteriously quit), the Dominionists.

    Even the Tea Party people demanded the “government to keep their hands off Medicare.” That’s when I knew we were screwed.

    Free shit.

    It’s as simple as that.

    You are witnessing democracy collapse on itself. If it makes you feel safer to think “if only those embarrassing pro lifers would shut up everything will be fixed”…go for it. Just don’t read what the ancients or our founding fathers worried about.

  • 15. Rutherford  |  February 13, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    From the prior thread: I’ll see if Brother Nathaniel has a clue and get back with you.
    — Poolman

    Poolman, we already know what Brother thinks. It’s the fault of the Jews.

  • 16. dead rabbit  |  February 13, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    Scott Peterson is waiting the electric chair for double murder. He killed only is wife, according to some here.

  • 17. dead rabbit  |  February 13, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    What? Pfessor? How can it be? You have to tell NARAL they are freaking out over nothing. Not worry about it. It’s just prancing and dancing.

    http://cdn.rollcall.com/news/abortion_rights_group_strives_for_youthful_image-222372-1.html?popular=true&cdn_load=true&zkPrintable=1&nopagination=1

  • 18. Noah  |  February 13, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    “Wise up, boys. You are so focused on controlling the girls’ twats that you can’t see you are giving away everything, including control of THAT.”

    Maybe I haven’t been clear. I have no desire to control anything about a women. I am 110% talking about protecting the rights of something you feel has none, the child. It is an unavoidable consequence that the mother is involved. Again, if you say at any point it has rights, and at some point it does not, then you have to be able to determine exactly when that occurs so they can be given due consideration.

  • 19. James  |  February 13, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Lurker, made am interesting comment. Nuclear weapons saved us from a hot WW11. Both sides were rational enough to do little more than bluff ,We fought proxy wars across the world, because we were afraid of a direct confrontation.. Now we face a proliferation of nations who appear to be less rational than the West and Soviet Bloc were. It was a close call,, and we nearly obliterated the world several times. Cuba was only the public event..

    As I wrote before a nuclear weapon does not have to hit a specific city to cause great damage. An explosion above the stratisphere could technologically send us back to 1880 with our electronics fried. I hope if North Korea did bomb us we would destroy them with the understanding that some of the radiation cloud would reach us.

    It depends on the wind direction. Radiation could turn South Korea into Chernoble. Our daughter-in law still has family in South Korea, so a bomb there is personal.

    I also agree with Huck. Republicans should be presenting a message like Reagan’s. The Democrats are winning with ;presents and well- crafted blame with aid from the news and entertainment industries.

  • 20. Noah  |  February 13, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    “Of course the Republicans loses votes over abortion. They lose votes over many of the stances they take.That’s what happens when you take a stance.

    I like people who take stances, period. To be perfectly honest, I like people who take stances and stick to them even if I disagree.

    That’s why its so hard to stomach 95% of liberals. Look this blog. Aghast a few years back over water boarding. Crickets over drone murder. ”

    Very well said and I agree 110%

    Drone Murders:

    Bush 52 attacks with 440 dead
    Oblama 300 with 2150 dead and massive innocent lives lost.

    IF Bush made you livid, I have to imagine your hated for Oblama knows no bounds?

    WB R and Lurker, how about them Oblama phones?

  • 21. Noah  |  February 13, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Re: double murder.
    While I am interested in how the law views it, my primary motivation for my point was not the law but to test the consistencies of your position. Mine obviously would charge with a double murder. Yours I would think would not. That said could that person be charged with any crime at all ending a life that has no protections?

  • 22. Rutherford  |  February 13, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    LOL Chris Matthews referred to Rubio’s mid-speech drink as “Watergate”. C’mon even you conservative guys have to admit that’s funny.

  • 23. Rutherford  |  February 14, 2013 at 12:04 am

    Hey Poolman it looks like the Ron Paul curse is being visited upon the son. No one and I mean no one is saying squat about Rand Paul’s response to the SOTU. A shame because Rand’s response was better than Rubio’s. And I’m no big fan of Rand.

    Why are the Paul’s invisible?

    Did Fox cover it live? MSNBC and CNN did not.

  • 24. Rutherford  |  February 14, 2013 at 12:14 am

    “Crickets over drone murder”

    Rabbit you truly need to get off that note. You’re the famous RL Blog historian/archivist so please show where I ever defended drones.

    In fact, a thorough review of the comments section reveals that I have consistently criticized the drone program for its collateral damage.

    What’s your beef with it? I thought you wanted all the “stink beards” wiped off the face of the Earth.

  • 25. Rutherford  |  February 14, 2013 at 12:19 am

    Great stuff Lurker. Ain’t it interesting when we use 2nd amendment arguments in the nuclear arena?

  • 26. Rutherford  |  February 14, 2013 at 12:36 am

    So lets get down to brass tacks Rabbit. On abortion, who goes to jail? The doctor? The attending nurses? The mother of course because she ordered the hit.

    C’mon Rabbit, tell me what consequences you’re willing to stomach.

  • 27. Noah  |  February 14, 2013 at 12:38 am

    Rutherford
    Since you are being a bit of a bitch on the Obama phone thing, how about you go ahead and define that moment when an unborn child has no rights, then suddenly does.

  • 28. Rutherford  |  February 14, 2013 at 12:39 am

    I don’t understand why China hasn’t told N. Korea to get its sh*t together.

  • 29. Rutherford  |  February 14, 2013 at 12:46 am

    Rabbit when you say it’s all about free stuff you GROSSLY oversimplify the matter. Perhaps it’s just your way of dismissing your opponent.

    “Free stuff” is part of it. But so is the fact that people don’t vote for folks who insult them. Many find conservative moralizing offensive. Legit rape and 47% of folks being loafers is no way to attract votes. We haven’t gotten past high school dude. Folks have to LIKE you before they’ll vote for you.

  • 30. Noah  |  February 14, 2013 at 12:52 am

    Yes, funny how Liberals are offended by the truth R.

  • 31. Rutherford  |  February 14, 2013 at 12:55 am

    Noah I swear to the God of your choice, do you know just how gay you sound every time you call me a bitch?

    Abortion is probably THE topic about which I’m most conflicted. I think the notion of “personhood” is loaded with legal complications. For example, if personhood is the law of the land then the minute I find out my wife is pregnant I’m going to declare the embryo a dependent on my taxes. I want my wife to start getting child care subsidies immediately, etc. etc,

    Why don’t you take a crack at the question I asked Rabbit? Who goes to jail Noah?

  • 32. Noah  |  February 14, 2013 at 1:23 am

    I’ll answer yours, you fess up on the Obama phone.

    I am assuming you are asking who goes to jail if an abortion is performed? It is the law of the land, no one goes to jail.

  • 33. Rutherford  |  February 14, 2013 at 1:41 am

    With all due disrespect you’re being deliberately thick. I don’t mean who goes to jail currently. I mean who goes to jail in your version of a just society?

    As for the Obama phone, I’m not fessing up on sh*t. I saw two perspectives on it, one from you and one from someone else (I now forget … either Lurker or Newt). I can reconcile both of your perspectives to come to the conclusion that it’s an ad hominem argument to berate people who support Obama, particularly blacks who support him.

    Now, as I asked Rabbit to do, put your money where your mouth is and tell me who goes to jail once Roe v Wade is a thing of the past.

  • 34. Noah  |  February 14, 2013 at 1:57 am

    On Obama phones. Lurker called me a liar, and you celebrated her smackdown on me, only to find out I was exactly right about them. So try again.

    In my version of society abortion is always legal when the woman’s life is in danger. I give personal choice to 6 weeks. After that if an abortion is performed against the law, as with any other law, all involved face the consequences of their actions.

  • 35. Noah  |  February 14, 2013 at 2:42 am

    I also wonder, there are Federal Laws protecting Eagles, Whales, Owls, and even certain fish. If your a baby in your mother’s womb you are just out of luck, why is that?

  • 36. Noah  |  February 14, 2013 at 3:06 am

    Olympic Arms was recently asked to advertise in the FOP Journal; the official magazine of the Fraternal Order of Police. It is well known that the FOP is a staunch supporter of Gun Control, had backed the AWB under Bill Clinton, and supports the current AWB under consideration that was introduced by Diane Feinstein. The FOP was actually accredited as being one of the sources that helped prepare the language of Gun Control suggestions that were forwarded by Vice President Biden. Below is a copy of our response to the FOP Journal:

    Please forward this email to every major principal in your organization.

    AS:

    1. The Fraternal Order of Police is on Congressional Record as having been a major supporter of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban.
    a. http://books.google.com/books?id=ZGb80RBLHxcC&pg=PA18184&lpg=PA18184&dq=FOP+Supports+Assault+WEapons+Ban&source=bl&ots=Yiafz1Lbgv&sig=_9DLM1ZuC79jKiqf2vWMtnhf1d4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zBEVUer_L-jriwL3oYGACQ&ved=0CFYQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=FOP%20Supports%20Assault%20WEapons%20Ban&f=false
    2. As a matter of fact and record, the FOP is accredited with assisting VP Biden in formulating the language of the newly proposed ban:
    a. http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/12/biden-no-reason-assault-weapons-ban-shouldnt-clear-152546.html
    3. Additionally, as a matter of fact and public record, the FOP is in support of the newly recommended Assault Weapons Ban introduced by Senator Feinstein.
    a. FOP representatives were actually standing on the Stage during the presentation as a sign of “support”.

    THEREFORE:
    Olympic Arms, Inc, manufacturers of AR15 type firearms, firearms that these legislators would call “Assault Weapons”, will not be supporting in any way, shape, form or fashion, The Fraternal Order of Police, any organization that represents, supports, takes advertising dollars from, spends advertising dollars with, is in anyway related to, any individual who is a card carrying member of, or any person or entity in any way associated with the Fraternal Order of Police. Period.

    Henceforth;
    • Be assured that Olympic Arms will not rest in its efforts to educate our customers, fans and followers the extent of the hypocrisy committed by the FOP and FOP Journal (fighting to outlaw the firearms produced by the very companies they now solicit for advertising dollars…). You can also be certain that we continue to make every effort to properly educate the firearms consumer in general, of the same.
    • Additionally, we will make continued efforts at assure that ALL firearms manufacturers are aware of the FOP’s support to strip Constitutional Rights from Americans, and their support of further unconstitutional gun control legislation.
    • We pledge to inform all of our customers the lengths that the FOP and associated FOP affiliates by proxy (which includes all your advertisers)are willing to go to in order to strip the American Citizen of their Constitutional Rights, while at the same time writing in exemptions to the same legislation to ensure that their members maintain those same rights they would have stripped from others.
    • Your actions are the actions of a rogue organization supporting tyranny, not an organization sworn to uphold the laws of the land, to protect, serve and defend their constituencies.

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  • 37. PFesser  |  February 14, 2013 at 8:02 am

    DR – Rutherford has nailed it perfectly. People, in order to vote for you, have to like you. So what do you do? Go after people who have a legitimate – but different – POV, call them murderers, say their opinions don’t matter, and then ask for their vote. Let your party be identified with lunatics who think the girls’ girl-parts will kick out unwelcome sperm from rapists, and alienate half the population (women). Then alienate another (12%?) – blacks, alienate moderate Republicans (me – and a hella lot of others), and call them all stupid. Then ask for all THEIR votes.

    When you dont get them and predictably lose election after election, then you say it was because the same people were stupid, and the other candidate gave things away. (whether true or not). Then ask for their vote again.

    Then look at people who used to vote with you, but don’t now, because your party has gone off the rails, and call them stupid and murderers. Then ask them to vote with you.

    Then, funniest of all, you tell someone who has counseled numerous women about abortion that the women under YOUR care would never do such a thing, and you know all their secrets. Hilarious. Think the women I’ve talked with don’t have overbearing neanderthals in their families, too? Why do you think they come in secret? Maybe someday, when you mellow out, YOU’LL know some of your own family secrets, too. They are there, depend upon it. Then wonder why your wife and daughters vote Democrat.

    My Republican party is no more. You and your party (what shall we call it, the “Neanderthal” party, the Jerry Falwell party, the Palinistas?) are buggy-whips, sir. (There you go, the “Buggy Whip” party) Obsolete, like the buggy whip – throwbacks to another, older time that doesn’t exist any more. As Huck said, like the President’s State of the Union speech? Hope so, because people just like you put him there.

  • 38. PFesser  |  February 14, 2013 at 8:19 am

    For your entertainment, from the Master hisownself:

  • 39. James  |  February 14, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Rutherford,

    I was the one who first wrote that Obama phones were the evolution of a program started under the Bush administration to help poor and rural people get phone land lines. It evolved into what became known as Obama phones. I wrote from from memory without research. Then, Lurker apparently did some research and provided more details.

    The phones became a tiny symbol of ignorance. Ignorant people who should not have been voting believed Obama personally was giving them phones. Others operating from a similar lack of knowledge believed Obama created the program to buy votes.

  • 40. Noah  |  February 14, 2013 at 9:14 am

    “Let your party be identified with lunatics who think the girls’ girl-parts will kick out unwelcome sperm from rapists”

    If you think the majority think this way, or even a significant minority, you have been sadly mislead.

  • 41. Noah  |  February 14, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Huck, PF
    You have done a fine fine job telling us all the things not to do on these hot button topics. Why not take it a step further and tell us what to do, specifically. Generalizations, while paint a nice framework, do little.

  • 42. James  |  February 14, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Bill Clinton almost single-handedly gave us a surplus with higher taxes. His impeachment was little more than Republican pique at a sex act which was between Clinton and his girl friend.

    Bush caused the recession though wars and tax cuts for his rich just as Hoover caused the Great Depression, Bush dithered while like FDR, Obama saved the country. The damage was so great that we still have not fully revived our economy.

    Bush didn’t care about finding Osama bin ladin, but Obama was so determined he personally followed and directed the search and final murder.

    Obama and his allies are moderates while the Republicans have been forced to extremes by the racist Tea Party. They and their fundamentalist allies wage a war on women to keep them at the mercy of people who will not allow them their reproductive freedom or fair wages.

    Big government and spending are our only hope for redemption We cannot survive without our government’s redistributing income and resources. .Republicans want to destroy Medicare and Medicade We need to tax the rich and invest in programs to help the Middle Class. We must use green energy and implement cap and trade laws to save earth from global warming.

    Sequester is a Republican creation which if implemented will force people out of their homes, and decimate the military. A small number of Tea Party politicians are holding the country hostage.

    Sarah Palin is a ditz who doesn’t know the geography of her own state. She compares poorly to Joe Biden who rarely makes verbal mistakes and who’s political and economic judgement has proven to be superior to Palin’s .Palin cost McCain the election.

    The Bengazi tragedy has become a Republican tool to bash Obama and Hillary when they are trying their hardest to learn what happened. As Hillary asked to great effect, “What does it matter at this point?”

    The gun control issue, like others is contrived emotionality to sway ignorant voters into believing a law can prevent mass shootings. After all, its for the children.

    Every one of my points is untrue, and people have repeated them to me as if they were facts.

    I blame our intellectual sloth, the press and entertainment industries who create a dishonest culture and present lies as truth. We are reaching the point that the makers are being outnumbered by the takers as we adopt a communistic economic model–from those who have to those who need.

    Obama,Bush or Congress. We put them there, often through ignorance. Our founding fathers gave us a unique country, and if we lose it, our ignorance will motivate us to cast it away. Its too bad a few of us who know better have to watch.

  • 43. James  |  February 14, 2013 at 9:49 am

    I am so old I remember that song.

    One solution Noah asked for that might work is for rich conservatives to buy or create a network and provide a more truthful and impartial story than we get now. Fox and another network would make selling news more even- handed. Maybe they could buy some magazines or a movie studio. Propaganda wouldn’t cut it. The stories would have to be the truth and entertaining even if they hurt the conservative side at times.

    Also “mind your own business” about what has little effect on our nation’s well being.

  • 44. Rutherford  |  February 14, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Thanks James for the clarification. And consistent with my belief that “Obama phones” are a meme to ignorantly diss Obama and some of his followers, especially low income, i.e. black ones.

  • 45. Rutherford  |  February 14, 2013 at 11:15 am

    James the last thing we need is another Fox. There was some stat published recently that said post-election Fox was voted the least trusted news organization and their ratings have dropped.

    It’s not random that both Sarah Palin and Dick Morris were given their walking papers recently.

  • 46. Rutherford  |  February 14, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Damn James, as I was reading your list of “lies” I was thinking to myself “wow James has finally seen the light!” :lol:

  • 47. muffy  |  February 14, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Obama won for the same reason the administration is getting away with Benghazi.

    Rutherford in answer to your brass tacks question, no one goes to jail directly for performing or getting an abortion. The doctor loses their license to practice if they operate outside the law. If they continue breaking the law of practicing medicine without a license, then they suffer the consequences same as anyone else who practices medicine without a license.

    As to the law itself, 12 weeks is too liberal. The mystery of personhood too unresolved. The subjectivity regarding the VALUE of the life taken is too unreliable, and sometimes even treacherous.

    Six weeks is plenty of time to sober up. The value judgments surrounding the decision are less likely to be based on the particular characteristics of the child inside – certain health issues aside. Society doesn’t get to make value judgments on the life growing in the womb of any woman. That is the real control some people want. Society can continue to coerce in abstract terms, but make it harder to go after the fetus – the person in the process of becoming.

    The idea that twelve weeks is a compromise is a lie. Nothing has been given toward compromise on that. Unless you’d like to see abortion on demand within the first 20 weeks – you are giving nothing. And frankly it’s becoming more and more apparent to those of us with eyes to see that giving nothing IS the new compromise. Witness the machinations in Washington over fiscal concerns. There’s your joke and it’s on us.

    But if the law never changes, is never tweaked by our collective consciences nor in response to new discoveries – so be it. I will never be “for” the law as it is written now, and speaking out against it is not the same as disobeying it or disrespecting it. Some people in this nation’s past have felt similarly about something near and dear to their hearts and it’s from them that I take my cues.

    Doc says, “As we waste that time on abortion, more important issues, like getting this country on a sound fiscal basis, remain unaddressed, and will continue to carry us right down the path to national oblivion.” And then Doc says,“Other countries don’t worry about abortion; their abortion rates are fractions of ours because they don’t have a bunch of fundies running around screaming, “Don’t tell them about sex! They’ll DO it!” “

    Think about that for a minute. According to Doc, the European nations that “don’t worry about abortion,” that don’t “waste time on abortion” – it would naturally follow then that they have spent the time getting their fiscal houses in order, no?

    No. It does not naturally follow. Europe is a hot mess financially speaking and we’re not far behind. Many one generation.

    China and India don’t worry about abortion, that’s true enough. Do you want to be China or India? Have you become so deluded that a real war on women goes unabated and unchallenged – even for the sake of comparison?

    Other countries – all those other countries that don’t worry about abortion are NOT the models we want to follow, are they? Financially OR with respect to moral positions.

    They are killing human beings that they believe to be of lesser VALUE.

    We’re either different, or we’re not. And that, in my opinion, is what elections are all about.

  • 48. muffy  |  February 14, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    *Maybe* one generation, that is.

  • 49. James  |  February 14, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    You’re welcome, Rutherford.

    I learned a valuable lesson back when men were trying to hurt or kill me. I climbed into their minds and saw a general view of their plans before they implemented them. Sometimes, i was wrong, but when I was right, I saved myself from a crushed head.

    Later, seeing the world through my wife’s eyes also kept me safe from flying frying pans.

    My father- in law enjoyed arguing politics. If we got bored, we switched sides. .We could try it any time you want. Let me know and pick a subject. Start arguing from the conservative prospective, and i will be as liberal as Nancy Pelosi.

    I didn’t write that we need another Fox, though we do need Fox to countermand the main networks.. I wrote that we need a network which reports issues impartially, rather like Radio Free Europe in its better days. It would help even the field and might attract viewers who think Fox is toxic..

    Sarah Palin’s and Dick Morris’s firings are different from my point about Palin’s initial value to the McCain campaign or the liberal press’ mostly unfair attacks on her later. We don’t have cable, and I have never seen either of their shows. I don’t know or care why they left. Were their ratings poor, or did they stray into forbidden territory?

    I agree with muffy. That was good.

  • 50. James  |  February 14, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    In honor of Valentines Day, you should google Jamin’s Downtown Disney Flashmob Proposal Youtube video

    and Russian Wedding “Flash Mob” youtube video. :Putin in the Ritz is part of an alternate title.

  • 51. PFesser  |  February 14, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Noah very correctly pointed out that Huck, R, I have enumerated what the Buggy Whip party should NOT do, and asked for an opinion as to what they should. Fair enough.

    They should adopt the following platform:

    We are the party of low taxes and a small, but very efficient, government.

    On abortion, they are agnostic and say so: It is not within our purview as a party to dictate social policy. We have NO position on abortion. Not, “we believe in letting people make their own decisions,” or “We believe that it should be cut off at 12 weeks.” WE HAVE NO POSITION, but welcome all into our Party, regardless of their beliefs.

    Taxes: We believe the current tax code must be replaced with a very simple form of taxation. We are willing to look at any/all plans to do that, and then we will back one.

    Money: We believe that the experiences of the last 42 years in the US, and that of all countries who have previously instituted fiat money, have shown conclusively that all money must be backed, at least in part, by hard assets, to prevent politicians from buying people’s votes with their own inflated assets.

    Military: We believe that our military is tremendously overextended by operating >700 bases in >130 countries and we intend to scale that back, and bring US military spending in line with the rest of the world.

    Constitution: We believe it means what it says, and that any official who knowingly violates the Constitution shall be guilty of high treason, and prosecuted accordingly. The penalty upon conviction shall be public hanging.

    That’s a start. What about you, Noah? Your turn.

  • 52. PFesser  |  February 14, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Muffy opined: “Think about that for a minute. According to Doc, the European nations that “don’t worry about abortion,” that don’t “waste time on abortion” – it would naturally follow then that they have spent the time getting their fiscal houses in order, no?”

    She then says, no, it does not follow. (???)

    Wrong on both counts. It neither follows nor doesn’t follow. That is a non-sequitur; the topics are unrelated. Wisdom in one realm does not cause – or preclude, stupidity in another.

    Try again.

  • 53. Huck  |  February 14, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    “Why not take it a step further and tell us what to do”

    I did. Twice now. Beyond generalizations. And then I was asked how that differed from what DR was saying, even after I had already said the 2 aren’t mutually exclusive.

    Of course, what I said Romney should have done is only 1 change in tactics. There could certainly be others. A person can fight just as passionately and speak their mind all they want, while changing their rhetorical tactics. DR must have been too busy pondering Plato’s forms to pay attention the the Greek’s lessons on rhetoric.

    I am tired of this discussion and tired of having to repeat myself over and over because people’s emotions are blinding them not only to reality but to words on the screen. You like losing gimmie presidential elections and congressional seats because idiots are talking about legitimate rape? I don’t.

    I’m not disengaging due to blood pressure, but from boredom.

    Those of you that still care about elections…enjoy the next 2-4 years…and beyond.

  • 54. Huck  |  February 14, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    “Generalizations, while paint a nice framework, do little.”

    I guess I should go the extra mile and leave post-it notes on cars.

  • 55. Huck  |  February 14, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    “If you think the majority think this way, or even a significant minority, you have been sadly mislead.”

    (I am going to file this one away for future debate.)

    The “no true Scotsman” argument has already been proven ineffective against the “War on Women” argument.

    With today’s media, it only takes 1 idiotic comment by 1 idiot to screw everything up. Next thing you know we are having public debates about what “legitimate rape” means.

  • 56. James  |  February 14, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Pfessor is right that Muffy’s points are unrelated, but I still like them. We are mostly Europeans, but we are different, because our ancestors who moved here did not fit the norm. We are now cut from our generations old heritage, and if we prefer the European way, we can move back “home.”..

    I also like his proposed platform. Many Republicans support and advocate something similar. He supports my point that we need a more even media, because like a tree falling in the forest, a Republican statement of political purpose makes about the same impact.

    Van Jones warned Democrats that Marco Rubio is dangerous to Democrats because he can connect emotionally with voters. Democrats said the same about Sarah Palin. They will also try to destroy Rubio.

  • 57. James  |  February 14, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    F 1 Roger Williamson-s fatal accident & David Purley’s Heroic attempt to save him Youtube video.

    It is incidental that he was one of my distant cousins, but it illustrates how quickly our lives can change. His mother was born in Cwmfelinfac, Wales where some of my distant family still live.

    Later, in 1977 he crashed his F1 car into a wall after his throttle stuck. He decelerated from 108 MPH to 0 in 26 inches which was considered to be the highest g force ever survived by a human being.

    He died in a plane crash in 1985.

    The music with the video “My Immortal” by evanescence describe th singer’s emotions after her sister killed herself.

  • 58. Noah  |  February 14, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    R
    All I was looking for was for you and Lurk to admit you were wrong. Lurk decided to run, you to live in denial. Both can be chalked up to lack of integrity, to which I will be happy to remind you of often.

    Huck
    You are obviously upset about something. Can’t say I really know what for sure but I often find people who are held up within their own little world of academia for too long do not fare well in the outside world. When the high standards you set for your students are not met by those outside of the classroom, one tends to find themselves quickly frustrated.

    Suffice to say your message was lost on me between the dismissive and condescending tones of your post. I am not upset, but your thoughts remain unclear.

  • 59. Noah  |  February 14, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    I do wonder if Rutherford will weigh in on Benghazi, or will he endlessly wait for “all the facts” to be discovered and made known.

  • 60. Noah  |  February 15, 2013 at 12:07 am

    “We are the party of low taxes and a small, but very efficient, government.”

    Agreed but too concise. I think we need to be the family values party as well. We are straying as a nation, and these school shootings are but one of many results of things that Liberals have forced down our throats like political correctness. We need to speak our minds again, say what we really mean and back up those beliefs.

    On abortion, I agree and disagree. Abortion should be decided at the state level, not the federal level. However we are not agnostic as a party and our views are every bit as valid as yours are. To say we are agnostic and that we do not have an opinion is a lie, and one I am not comfortable with repeating.

    Taxes, Money and the Constitution we are in agreement. I like the flat tax myself.

    The military. We are spread out too thin. I want to see some drawback though not to the level of RP. Right now we have our hands in too many pots and we look sloppy. I like a tight run ship. We have a handful of true friends in the world, and we should continue to honor those friendships but as for the rest we need to do it in a less “physical presence” way.

    The price for falling too far back though is 3rd world nuclear proliferation. If falling back is the choice we make as a nation, then to our response to attacks from those countries have to be exponentially increased. If we allow Korea and Iran to gain nuclear weapons, then they have to know they will no longer exist as a people should they choose to employ those weapons in first strike capacity, and have them removed, by force if necessary, if they fail to safeguard said weapons and let them fall into the hands of others to use for terrorism.

  • 61. Noah  |  February 15, 2013 at 6:47 am

    Five companies, thus far, have communicated their intention not to sell to any police or government agencies in New York State.

    LaRue Tactical
    Olympic Arms

    Extreme Firepower Inc, LLC

    Templar Custom

    York Arms

    Guns Save Life is joining with Grass Roots North Carolina in calling for all American gun owners to pressure Sig Sauer, Smith and Wesson and Glock to shut off sales to government agencies in New York State.

    If you know executives in any of these companies, email them directly. If not, we’ve got some email addresses below for you.

    Keep it short and sweet. Long missives will not be read, so save your time for constructive endeavors.

    Here’s a suggested message, tweaking on GRNC’s suggested message: We don’t live in a police state: If it can’t be sold to citizens, it won’t be sold to State and local government.

    publicsafetysales@sigsauer.com, dgrier@smith-wesson.com, LE.info@glock.us

  • 62. Alfie  |  February 15, 2013 at 8:43 am

    I can’t resist.
    Rutherford to your post. The truth of the matter is that there is a distinct difference of international opinion regards North Korea and Iran. The world community pretty much believes they have NK figured out and that they do not represent a real threat to the world. A majority of nations see where Iran represents a threat to international stability . Iran knows this and uses it to their advantage.

    As for the GOP recommendation-fest I’m lmao. The two parties would probably never admit it but they share a common thread as you both want less govt. if this is true you MUST want them to stay out of your bedroom too! The Republican Party cannot project a value system upon a society that doesn’t desire them or more so doesn’t want them dictated to them by Nanny. It isn’t like the Red States steeped in the Bible are actually so morally straight as to shame the rest of us.

    America has a big problem centered on it’s failure to embrace the rights and responsibilities of having a democracy. Our collective comeuppance is coming.

  • 63. Alfie  |  February 15, 2013 at 8:52 am

    I don’t understand why China hasn’t told N. Korea to get its sh*t together.
    One reason is China doesn’t see NK as the issue as hinted at in my previous. Second is China is looking to a westward push as the USA does its Pacific Pivot thing.

  • 64. James  |  February 15, 2013 at 9:17 am

    As I wrote before, and agree with Alfie,North Korea is also useful to China.

    Don’t hold your breath about Bengazi and other issues, Noah. It is hard for some people to admit they are wrong. If they are wrong about one thing, they may have to rethink other beliefs.

  • 65. Alfie  |  February 15, 2013 at 11:42 am

    @ Rutherford on the the drone subject.
    File under food for thought. An interesting piece @ Foreign Policy that looks at the relationship between the US drone program and the UN R2P scheme. Interesting read,captures a reality we need to address.

    If we toss sovereignty into history’s dustbin, what will replace it?

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/02/14/hate_obamas_drone_war?page=0,0

  • 66. Noah  |  February 15, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Speaking of trends on abortion.

    http://lastresistance.com/1353/tide-is-turning-in-abortion-debate-liberals-run-scared/

  • 67. Noah  |  February 15, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    This rich bitch needs a freaking reality check. She can kiss my ass! What an elitist privileged class bitch!

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday that she opposes a cut in congressional pay because it would diminish the dignity of lawmakers’ jobs.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/283341-pelosi-congressional-pay-cut-undermines-dignity-of-the-job

  • 68. poolman  |  February 15, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    re 65, Alfie, you act as though these folks in charge are interested in obeying or upholding the rule of law. Don’t you know laws are for the little people? Besides, by the time anything of substance may be brought against them, they would have rewritten laws to show justification for their acts of murder and mayhem. Who are the real terrorists?

  • 69. poolman  |  February 15, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Here, Rutherford… regarding the Pope stepping down. Since you are not fond of Brother Nathaniel and he hasn’t made any statements public I am aware of yet, I will let you in on Sonia’s perspective.

  • 70. Noah  |  February 15, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    http://theblacksphere.net/2013/02/media-blackout-barack-hussein-obamas-use-of-forged-ids-hearing-today/

    You would think this is news worthy

  • 71. Noah  |  February 15, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    Interesting. Looks like Oblama is busted using a false SS number.

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?page_id=385062

  • 72. James  |  February 16, 2013 at 9:20 am

    I feel like Cato the Elder who repeated Carthage must be destroyed.(Carthage delenda est)

    Thanks in part to Lindsey Graham’s questioning and threats to block the defense secretary appointment, the White House wrote that Obama never picked up the phone during the night of the Bengazi attack. His staff kept him up to date, but the State Department and White house was a mass of confusion and indecision.

    Leon Panetta told Congress he knew immediately that the attacks were a terrorist assault.

    “Mr Graham said that if Mr. Obama had picked up the phone, at least two of the Americans killed in the attacks on the US Consulate in Benghazi might still be alive because he might have been able to push US aid to get so the scene faster.” Hot Air “Confirmed:obama made no calls, took no action during Benghazi attack.”

    Meanwhile, Babalu reported that Chris Mathews said that Sen Ted Cruz’s rhetoric reeked of McCarthyism. “Most liberals haven’t noticed but many Soviet documents have been declassfied by now. These have ALL vindicated Senator Joseph McCarthy… Take the treasure trove of such documents known as the Venona Papers.”

    But” what at this point does it matter?” It may not matter to the ignorant people living in this country, but it will matter to future historians who will be less kind to those reprobates than our press is today.

  • 73. James  |  February 16, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Several people here lost their in group status because they were too politically incorrect for the mad grannies.

    Goty, the Australian band who won a Grammy sang “But you didn’t have to cut me off. Make out like it never happened and that we were nothing. And I don’t even need your love, but you treat me like a stranger and that feels so rough…I guess that I don’t need that though, Now you’re just somebody that I used to know.”

    It the song reminds me of them.

  • 74. Alfie  |  February 16, 2013 at 11:08 am

    I think the true legacy of Hillary Clinton @ State will be the “at this point what does it matter”. I see where many a pol will introduce this as a defense and will believe the “precedent” is solid. The media will oblige steadfastly for at least half of them.

  • 75. PFesser  |  February 16, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Noah noted: “Agreed but too concise. I think we need to be the family values party.”

    No. Everybody is for “family values.” Many (count me in) just see that as code for, “I am going to force my right-wing Christian values down your throat.” Don’t go there. It is not within a party’s – or a government’s – purview to impose “values.” That is the church’s bailiwick, but notice that they do not have the power to compel, only to convince. Those with the power to compel must be strictly limited in the things for which they can use that power; morals are not one of them.

    alfie @ 62. “you MUST want them to stay out of your bedroom too! The Republican Party cannot project a value system upon a society that doesn’t desire them or more so doesn’t want them dictated to them by Nanny. It isn’t like the Red States steeped in the Bible are actually so morally straight as to shame the rest of us.”

    Absolutely. If you want less govt, then that means get your goddamned nose out of my bedroom, too. You can see why the Libertarians (me) hate both parties; they are just blowing smoke about all these “liberty” things, but liberty is not what they want. They both want precisely the same thing: control.

    F them both.

  • 76. Alfie  |  February 16, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    @ PF since I have at times dinged you on some of your religion remarks let me establish some fairness.
    That is the church’s bailiwick, but notice that they do not have the power to compel, only to convince.
    I’m gonna take that as a hint you truly if grudgingly support people’s right to observe and embrace their faiths even overtly and publicly.

  • 77. Alfie  |  February 16, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    On the political/values thing,absolutely lead by example. Not from behind and not via elitist repression. So called Libertarians have pissed me off recently though over the BSA. I’m a wonk without a home for now.

  • 78. PFesser  |  February 16, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    alfie@76.

    I have repeatedly said that I don’t care what people do in their private lives. My stepdaughter has a degree in religious studies, and we regularly have samhain/beltane observances here at my property, complete with bonfires and chants. We always include the small children, too, and they have a ball. Do I take it as true? Of course not, but it’s a way of connecting to my Celtic past and honoring my ancestors. It just feels right to me, and I don’t try to explain it further, even to myself.

    I take all religious dogma and myths with a grain of salt, but I am well-aware that religions have done good, too, and just because I don’t take their bibles literally doesn’t mean I don’t respect the good works they have done. Where I think religions (can) excel is in their examinations of life’s Great Questions – I guess that would be called philosophy; I have no quarrel with them there, and try to learn from their experiences as best I can.

    But what brings out the predator in me is ANY attempt by ANYBODY to shove his personal beliefs down others’ necks. Live and let live, I say. (Belay the abortion comments, everybody; I know what I said.) I would say to anyone, mind your own business and we won’t ever have trouble; but anyone who tries to force his beliefs on others, will find me at his throat.

  • 79. Noah  |  February 16, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Don’t go there. It is not within a party’s – or a government’s – purview to impose “values.”

    I should have been more specific. We are not Liberals. We do not enforce our values by rule of law. By being the party of family values we lead by example. We can enforce what we believe in by not supporting or passing those things that do not match our values system. Lead by example.

    As for staying out of the bedroom it is a ridiculous argument. We want to protect life and give it the protection it deserves. You can call it a war on women, but it isn’t. You can say we are getting in people’s bedrooms, but we are not. Either we protect all life or we do not. Me and mine choose to fight for what we believe in. You have no moral grounds for your argument. I will go a step further and say you have a contradiction in your argument you have not dealt with.

  • 80. Noah  |  February 16, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    “but anyone who tries to force his beliefs on others, will find me at his throat.”

    You would like our brand of Baptists here in Michigan. We are anti-missionary work. We actively oppose going to 3rd world countries and converting people as we feel it is taking advantage of their innocence/ignorance of the outside world. We believe in spreading the word of God to those that ask but do not overtly go out and try to convert or recruit. We show people God by how we live our lives and how we interact with others. We feel that is the best way to get people curious and interested in learning more.

  • 81. Alfie  |  February 16, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    @ Noah…So imagining you saw this coming what about gays?

  • 82. Noah  |  February 16, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    We have no gay members in our church that I am aware of, but everyone is welcome regardless of background or personal choice. It does not alter our teachings or our beliefs. I would like to think if we had an openly gay member in our church we would educate them but ultimately we tend to let people make their own choices. Our goal is to inform and teach, not to impose. We believe God’s word is such that it should be compelling enough on its own without any need coercion on our part. More to the point we think something is lost if these life choices are not freely made.

  • 83. Alfie  |  February 16, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    Sincerely that is excellent but I was wondering more about your political position and for expansion whether you really think government should dictate edicts into the bedrooms of consenting adults.

  • 84. Noah  |  February 16, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    I think marriage means something and it has a specific definition. That being a union between a man and a woman. You cannot have a peanut-butter and jelly sandwich if you have 2 slices of bread both with peanut-butter or both with jelly. That is not to say that it is wrong, it just doesn’t make it what you want it to be more matter how hard you try.

    That said I believe in civil unions. I have never asked but I do not believe our pastor would marry a gay couple as it goes against our belief system. We would not however bar them from attending service.

  • 85. dead rabbit  |  February 16, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    “I have repeatedly said that I don’t care what people do in their private lives.” -Pfessor

    Yes you do. I hope you do. If you found out your neighbor was a pedophile behind the curtains, you’d care.

    Stop it with the constant proclamations of your libertarianism. It doesn’t apply.

    We disagree over the victim-hood of a baby in the womb. It has nothing to do with me being a “neanderthal” or wanting to regulate “twats” as you so elegantly put it, Doctor.

    I know framing the argument this way makes you seem much more hip and the Rabbit some prude, prying into my neighbor’s business. But, if anything, it is the Dead Rabbit who is the ultimate libertarian. I apply natural law to baby a mother carries.

    You mock me for being too generous with your own ideology!

    I believe by the time of a heart beat, a baby in the womb has way too many forms of a human being. Certainly too many to deprive life. The baby deserves the benefit of the doubt until the day that medical doctors like yourself have better arguments then the “twat defense”.

    Of course, liberals love to bring up rape or a mother’s health. And while that represents a minority of abortions performed through out the world, and a cop out, I’m actually glad you guys do it. It forces me to think.

    Mother’s health: As a Navy man, this one is easy for me (at least philosophically). Sometimes you have to dog the hatches to save the ship. It doesn’t matter if a 19 year old machinist mate is screaming for his life.

    Rape: Much more difficult. That being said, “Easy” really has nothing to do with natural rights. There are rare and extreme circumstances where doing the right thing is so hard, that the rest of us with a moral code have to lower our expectations. Hypocrisy? Absolutely. Aborting a baby conceived from rape is WRONG. But, I never expected my ship mates to jump on a grenade either.

    Women who keep the baby after rape deserve a burial along side medal of honor recipients. So do their husbands. Who knows, if this heroic act of love became an iconic act of valor in pop culture akin to bravery in combat, we might see more mothers keeping the baby. I will hold my breath for it to become a repeating meme on the big screen.

  • 86. Just a Lurker  |  February 16, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    Most of you grew up at a time when there was reliable birth control, family planning, casual sex, couples living together, an unwed mother was accepted in society, a selection of maternity wedding gowns, paternity testing, rape was called Rape, incest was recognized and abortion was legal and safe. I doubt the men or many younger women would understand the importance of these changes.

    It allowed women to accept they were sexual beings, to act upon those sexual feelings without guilt or fear of loss of their reputation. It allowed women to enjoy sex. It made her equal to men sexually without fear of pregnancy. She now has choices – to prevent pregnancy, or if that failed she could raise the child herself, have an open adoption or an abortion. Those of us of a certain age can understand and appreciate these changes in attitude and standards that you younger women/men can not. It is one thing to hear about it, another to have lived it; we do not need to go back to that old way!

    Being Pro-Choice, I have a difficult time understanding why there are so many unwanted or inconvenient pregnancies today and would prefer to see the number of abortions reduced. But I am also realistic and realize that life is not always that simple; it does not always go as planned. Unfortunately, abortion may be the lesser of two evils. The decision is between you and your God.

  • 87. Just a Lurker  |  February 16, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Making abortion illegal will not end abortions. Unwanted or inconvenient pregnancies have been around since the beginning of time and will continue until the end of time. Illegal abortion will simply return to the back alley quacks, the wire coat hanger or suicide

    If you really wish to reduce the numbers of abortions then make birth control mandatory for all women/females of child bearing age until they were ready for motherhood. But a reduction will not be accomplish by restricting access to birth control or making it too expensive for many; teaching abstinence only; withholding or giving misleading or inaccurate reproductive information; placing all the responsibility for preventing pregnancy on the woman; denying women are sexual beings; or preaching sex is a special, sacred, magical gift from God reserved for married couples for reproduction etc. (I heard a preacher on the Christian Radio state women who take birth control have tiny dead fetuses embedded in their wombs!!!!!)

    What about the man’s responsibility? To my knowledge men have to be a willing partner in order for conception to take place. Is it right that the woman is the only one held responsible; the only one punished? Make it a crime for a man to cause an unplanned pregnancy. Develop birth control for men.

    I have tried to make sense of these laws and statements being made or attempted by a certain segment of the population. After all these years why are we still talking about birth control and abortions? There have always been the anti-abortion people and the Catholic Church’s position on birth control. I understand the Catholic Church they just want more bodies to fill their churches and the power that comes with numbers. If I were to have an abortion how does that affect you Pro-Lifers? It would be on my head, my sin, not yours. It is between the father, the doctor, and my God. I would have to live with it not you. Why do you feel you must be involved in my decision? What right do you have to force your beliefs on others?

  • 88. Just a Lurker  |  February 16, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    Poolman has conspiracies and I have one as well. And it may involve a number of different agendas working together.

    If “personhood” is placed on the fetus then the rights of the mother are pitted against the rights of the fetus. Who will determine whose rights outweigh the other? If the mother loses then she will be forced to give birth. Who will pay for the childbirth and healthcare for the child? There is a push to eliminate the social safety nets, public schooling, healthcare, childcare etc. How will she finish school or attend college without help? With no education or skills leaves only service/minimum wage jobs making it difficult to raise a child. Or will she be forced to give up the child for adoption? I understand it can cost $50,000 or so to adopt a child from a foreign country. IVF is very expensive and not always successful. How much would a native born blonde haired, blue eyed baby boy bring? Those who choose to break the law could be charged with murder and sentenced to, let’s say, a private prison for life where they could become slave labor for some corporation; cheaper and more convenient than China.

    I do not remember protests or concern regarding abortions in the black or brown communities until recently. The main concern was how they were “multiplying like rabbits” and living off welfare. If free abortion clinics where set up on every street corner in Muslim countries, Africa, South America, Mexico etc I believe there would be very little protesting.

    The protests were always in the white communities where WHITE, CHRISTIAN babies were being aborted.

    Look at the three faces that gave speeches the night of the SOTU. These are the faces of the future in America. And this, I believe, scares the living shit out of many white people. This is what really does make sense to me.

    In the not too distant future, whites will be the minority and this is the reason for wanting to overturning Roe vs. Wade and restricting birth control and setting up an environment where the hope for more white Christian babies are born in America. DO NOT TELL ME YOU VALUE LIFE if you are willing to reduce your sisters, daughters and granddaughters to baby producing machines.

  • 89. Alfie  |  February 16, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    @lurker….wow! I am blown away by how quickly you swerved into inanity from comment 86 to 88. Three minutes is what it took you to go from a potentially good point to freaking coo coo land.
    Let me be clear. Birth control for example and by that I go even earlier than I imagine you qualify to the early 1900’s and the rubber. Proven to have improved the quality of life for women the classic condom is truly remarkable. As you hinted advances in BC also had benefits many fail to put as high on the list as they should.
    With that said you really came off the rails Tootle in your follow ups. Not a catholic myself in fact fairly anti to be honest I pale in comparison to you and your cheap shot idiocy found in #87.

  • 90. Alfie  |  February 16, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    In 88 you are so crazy I can’t waste my time tonight to help you. Please please please though stop deluding yourself who is the guiltiest party when it comes to some of the parallel truths that “support” your theory. Hint it looks like this (D)

  • 91. Alfie  |  February 16, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    @ dead rabbit. You have raised my curiosity. When you speak of Natural Law to what school are you most subscribing to? Aquinas ?

  • 92. Just a Lurker  |  February 16, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    alfie – Did I ask you for your opinion? I simply stated mine. Nor did I ask for your help and would not accept it if offered. And BTW I was married in the Catholic Church and raised 3 Catholic children.

  • 93. Noah  |  February 17, 2013 at 12:18 am

    “Illegal abortion will simply return to the back alley quacks, the wire coat hanger or suicide”

    And yet regulating guns will work? Really?

  • 94. Huck  |  February 17, 2013 at 12:52 am

    “Is it right that the woman is the only one held responsible; the only one punished?”

    Is it right that the woman is the only one who gets to decide if the pregnancy is aborted or not?

    You want all the rights, then yes…you also bear all the responsibility.

    “Develop birth control for men.”

    My, what a novel idea. I bet someone could make a fortune if they tackled this problem.

  • 95. Huck  |  February 17, 2013 at 1:03 am

    This is what really peeves me on the other side of the abortion debate.

    The whole thing is a “war on women” “Keep your hands off my uterus.”

    Abortion rights are all about women. Then we get asked why men aren’t being held more responsible.

    The time to say “keep your hands off my uterus” is BEFORE the baby gets made…not afterward. Like I said above…you women want all the say in what happens inside your body, then exercise that power at the appropriate time….which is BEFORE things go into your body.

    It’s the same with the government.

    We get told the government has no place in the bedroom. But government is expected to pay for what goes on there.

    If the government’s nose needs to keep out of the bedroom, then so does the government’s wallet.

  • 96. dead rabbit  |  February 17, 2013 at 1:09 am

    Alphie, i’m refering to Locke’s natural rights.

  • 97. Rutherford  |  February 17, 2013 at 2:31 am

    Most of what Muffy says in her lengthy comment makes sense to me. I still question why, in a world without Roe, we would only punish doctors. Isn’t the true hardcore approach to punish the mother who contracted the murder of her baby? Surely the mother would be prosecuted for ordering a doctor to kill her healthy 3 month old. So what’s the difference pre-birth?

    Just sayin’.

  • 98. Noah  |  February 17, 2013 at 2:44 am

    Ya we covered that R, but I am sure you will figure that out eventually.

  • 99. Noah  |  February 17, 2013 at 2:47 am

    I don’t care who you are, this is funny.

  • 100. Noah  |  February 17, 2013 at 2:53 am

    All things considered, I don’t think anyone was really shocked by this.

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/prospect-of-prison-looms-for-jesse-jackson-jr/

  • 101. Noah  |  February 17, 2013 at 7:40 am

    Rather liked this quote…

    Originally Posted by Stefan Molyneux
    If you are for gun control, then you’re not against guns, because the guns will be needed to disarm people. You’ll need to go around, pass laws, and shoot people who resist, kick in doors, and throw people in jail, and so on; rip up families, just to take away guns. So it’s not that you’re anti-gun, because [...] you’ll need the police’s guns to take away other people’s guns, so you’re very pro-gun, you just believe that only the government (which is of course so reliable, honest, moral, virtuous, and forward-thinking) should be allowed to have guns. So there’s no such thing as gun control, there’s only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small political elite and their minions. Gun control is a misnomer.

  • 102. Noah  |  February 17, 2013 at 7:58 am

    Finally the Original photo was released.

  • 103. Just a Lurker  |  February 17, 2013 at 9:55 am

    alfie – this morning I understand your WOW re the Catholic Church. Of course they are against abortion I understand their reason. I was referring to their recent aggressive stand on the birth control issue. They need to update because few Catholics agree with it or practice it in the US. But I do have a problem when they allow a mother to die when the fetus that has no chance of survival but is killing the mother. Taking the fetus would have saved the mother and allowed her to go home to her other children. When you have the ability to save one of those lives is should be allowed rather than to lose both, IMO.

  • 104. James  |  February 17, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Lurker wrote “I don’t remember or concern in black or brown communities until recently. The main concern was how they were “multiplying like rabbits” and living off welfare. If free abortion clinics were set up on every street corner in Muslim, African, South American countries Mexico etc. I believe there would be very little protesting.”

    Please clarify. I don’t understand the sentence. Muslims, especially would burn down the clinics and stone the abortionists. The other groups mentioned also tend to be pro- life.

    Here is another conspiracy theory. We already know that progressives and Democrats care little for populations of black, brown or other minorities except as a way to enhance their electoral power. A dependent black is a good black. .A Black Panthers representative said the same thing a week or so ago as he mused about whether blacks should trust ballots or bullets..

    We also know that Planned Parenthood and the Pro- Choice movement have eugenics origins. Perhaps many of our abortions are still a form of population control, and they illustrate the inherent racism of progressives.

    The protests were mainly in white communities for the same racist attitudes that the press and its consumers use when a blonde, blue eyed girl goes missing or falls into a well while a young black boy languishes in the local papers. Mostly black gang members die in cities like Chicago, but the mostly liberal press largely ignores them for similar reasons.

    Why should whites be terrified of changing demographics? Most of the folks invading our country are caucasions or a mixture. It would be equivalent to terror over the invasion of pallid Germans or Swedes which once was also the case. I think the non-racists worry more about new immigrants’ failure to assimilate or their stealing a place in line from those who come here legally.

    As Mark Steyne, a conservative, noted in “America Alone” immigration is our salvation because we need the extra people to compensate for lower birth rates. Others have said the same recently.

    I doubt if Lurker stooped so low to imply pro life people have racial motives, but others have. Speaking broadly,on this issue, the true racists are the progressives.

  • 105. James  |  February 17, 2013 at 10:05 am

    I agree with 97, Rutherford. I am pro choice, so the point doesn’t apply to my viewpoint.However, logically speaking, if woman contracted to kill an unborn baby, she should be punished also.

    Whomever gives aid earns the right to dictate the terms. Our culture gives most of the reproductive rights to women, so why is it a surprise that men fail to take responsibility? If one wants freedom from government regulation let her borrow the money for her abortion as she might if she purchased a new car or a house.

  • 106. PFesser  |  February 17, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Noah opined: “As for staying out of the bedroom it is a ridiculous argument.”

    Good; then you will have no opposition to doing so, right?

    “We want to protect life and give it the protection it deserves.”

    We’ve been through this a dozen times. That is how you see the argument’s being framed. Others – the majority – do not see it that way, and that is why I believe people should make their own decisions. If you don’t like abortions, don’t have them. Others want the service, and should be able to get it without outside interference.

    “You can call it a war on women, but it isn’t.”

    Many would disagree. War or not, it LOOKS that way, and the Buggy Whip party has helped the Democrats couch it in those terms. Your party shot its own foot off; sometimes, Noah, you need to hang your head, say, “We blew it,” and go about your business of cleaning up the vomit. This would be one of those times, IMHO.

    “You can say we are getting in people’s bedrooms, but we are not.”

    Others would disagree there, too. You cannot win this; the Democrats have outflanked you, and your party has helped them. That war is over, and the Buggy Whip party lost.

    “Either we protect all life or we do not.”

    Others do not see it that way, and the Democrats have successfully conflated the anti-choice people with a bunch of bible-thumping loonies bent on taking women back to the ‘fifties. True or not, that’s what people think, and that is what you have to deal with. Instead of dealing with it in a smart way, your party fields people who on national media say that women’s privates reject rape semen, so it’s no problem. Your party – used to be MY party – did this to itself, and I don’t have much sympathy.

    “Me and mine choose to fight for what we believe in.”

    Sounds so noble, doesn’t it? News flash: EVERYBODY fights for what they believe in; your party just refuses to see people with other opinions as legitimate, and surprise of surprises, they don’t like it. As long as the Buggy Whip party shows no respect, it will GET no respect.

    “You have no moral grounds for your argument.”

    Thanks. You have made my point so much better than I.

    *************

    As you know, I’m no friend of the far left or the far right, and I’ll tell you the problem with the right, vis a vis abortion: They like things simple, cut-and-dried, and invariably try to boil this problem down to black/white, right/wrong, life/anti-life. Sometimes, Noah, no matter how much we wish it, life’s problems don’t yield to simple answers and three-word talking poings; you actually have to THINK a little. This problem – if it is ever going to be solved – needs good people, who respect each other, to sit down and reason together, and reach a reasonable compromise. That is never going to happen, because the right wants what it wants.

    So for my part, it is settled; I don’t waste my time with people like that – except here, I guess. Roe v. Wade is a good compromise, and to my eye, it stands – as is.

  • 107. PFesser  |  February 17, 2013 at 10:39 am

    JAL @ 86. Hear! Hear!

  • 108. Alfie  |  February 17, 2013 at 11:22 am

    lurker you post on a public blog you get what you deserve,I did nothing to prevent you from airing your opinion;however,I have the right to counter your opinion to the degree the blog host allows.This what grownups call adversarial dialog.

    I understand the Catholic Church they just want more bodies to fill their churches and the power that comes with numbers.

    Was the wow moment. Why don’t you tell that to your parish priest today when you take communion I’m sure he’ll get a kick out of it.

    Here’s some more of my opinion you didn’t ask for….
    You exemplify what is wrong with the Catholic Church in the USA. You foolishly believe you have some say in how the club is run yet wear the catholic label with pride. You can’t do that the rules are pretty clear. The bumper sticker is correct…”You can’t be Catholic and Pro-choice”.
    Perhaps you are one of the flock that have finally taken your shallowness and selfishness to the next level and left the mainstream catholic church. Perhaps but if that is the case you shouldn’t use or rely upon your past sacraments and time served.
    The Catholic church should be subjected to whatever its dogma and doctrine subjects it to but under no circumstances should anyone delude themselves that it is somehow a democratic entity like its Christian peers.

  • 109. Alfie  |  February 17, 2013 at 11:27 am

    @dead rabbit thanks for the follow up. I’d say you do indeed have a defendable position even if I think you stand on a somewhat slippery slope when you stand with Locke (or Tommy A) on Natural Law/Natural Rights. I dare say it isn’t an easy position to hold but indeed offers a foothold.
    The basic problem I see is that we as a society,nation hell world have moved far far away from that foundation and what must come from it.
    Fight the good fight just the same DR

  • 110. Alfie  |  February 17, 2013 at 11:40 am

    @ PF I wonder if you’d agree that the right has the potential to adjust to a point for the greater good more so than the left?

    To explain a little I offer:
    It seems to me the emerging dynamics if navigated properly would allow the center to right folks to get back to some freedom fundamentals,this of course means they need to lose the social issues bent (gays,abortion,etc.) and rely on the rule of law afforded the liberty angles. (ex. SCOTUS agreed w/ BSA before as well as private parade organizers etc. on gays)
    I counter this with the Lefts need to eventually reap and deal with what it has sown. The loss of freedoms and identity will eventually accelerate beyond the slow bleed process that has been anesthetized by the morphine like drip of largesse from the Treasury. (ACA)
    I stand by interested to see any replies. Thx

  • 111. PFesser  |  February 17, 2013 at 11:59 am

    alfie : couple of things:

    “I understand the Catholic Church they just want more bodies to fill their churches and the power that comes with numbers.”

    – and then you disagreed with that.

    Help me out here; that has always been MY opinion, too – that it’s just a power-in-numbers thing, masquerading as some kind of “sanctity of life” argument for birth control. Is that not true? (Man, you think the Republicans have marginalized themselves; that is NOTHING to what the Catholic church has done with its stand on birth control.)

    on #110. I’m not really sure what you are asking, but in thinking about it, I would say the right definitely is much closer to what I consider ideal than is the left. To my eye, the right has lost its way, but was once on the right track; the left has never been in the right RAILYARD, let alone the right track.

    Understand that I am just a student of these things, and my opinion is evolving, but the more I read about Eisenhower, the further I get from my former hero, Goldwater. (And, in particular, comparing Eisenhower to every president following, I am truly impressed with how important a wide world-experience is for someone in that office, and am constantly appalled by the damage that can be done by a tyro – our current occupant being the best case-in-point .)

  • 112. James  |  February 17, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    I agree Alfie. Moreover, many of the immigrants who may eventually become a majority tend to be more conservative than the dominant left after they wean themselves from government aid.

    The left believes our lives are a product of our government. Like Julia, we cannot survive without handouts. The slow bleed has already accelerated. The slow drip of treasury morphine will eventually end because our currency will eventually be unable to sustain itself.

    Then, people will notice and life will become more interesting. I wager some hunters will be going after bipeds.

  • 113. James  |  February 17, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    From Breitbart TV: Adam Carolla was one comedian who blasted Obama’s higher minimum wage proposal. He said minimum-wage jobs are what one escapes from, not permanent positions.

    “And you certainly aren’t supposed to have two fn kids when you’re making minimum wage. its not responsible; its not responsible to kids you’re trying to raise; and its not responsible to the community they live in because you’re not–paying your fair share.”

    One of Alfie’s “emerging dynamics.

  • 114. James  |  February 17, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    86. Adam Carolla answered Lurker’s comment about failing to understand why we have so many abortions today.

  • 115. Alfie  |  February 17, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    I expressed I trend anti-Catholic.with that said though I wholeheartedly disagreed with JAL’s assertion that the CC only motivation regards its BC position is to stock to pews and the Vaticans coffers. I concede I think she has tried to clarify/back off that statement but until it is clearly stated I have to take the original quote as is. The quote is hers not mine.
    I’ll only add this. It is indeed the church’s right to be what it is. It isn’t a democracy,hell it isn’t even congregational in its basis so it really flips me when catholics get their whine on about their church. The thing is it isn’t their church it is the church and if you don’t like the Episcopalians are taking applicants daily.

    Back to the politics I appreciate your stab and say you nailed it pretty good. In reply I would say I think the center right has far more potential than the Left. I think this partly due to the fact that the (D)’s have a core that will gladly come to the center. (the blue collar folks) and will be turned off when the far left flexes,just as they have historically. (ex. Trumka can announce anything he wants ultimately Joe or Jonah or Jose or Mohammed Lunchpail will say something else in the booth)
    Bottom line I think American society is going to have at least one more labor pang of private rights and individuality that will bode well for the right and the nation as opposed to serving the more nefarious corners of the organized Left.

  • 116. Alfie  |  February 17, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    @ James fwiw I see the min. wage thing as a two tine fork. One is that it is good sound bite consumption for the sheep. Second is the base for a revision of the “living wage” or negative taxation schemes once floated by Ickes I believe. I truly believe that is one of the basic tenets for the New Left and definitely on our horizon.

  • 117. James  |  February 17, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    I agree Alfie. If the minimum wage becomes too unaffordable for so many employers it discourages hiring on a large scale, The electorate will have to support low income workers with the forms of negative taxation schemes you mentioned. In effect our taxes will be paying the minimum wage. I don’t know if you are correct, but Ickes sounds right.

    This relates to the abortion discussion. We need more productive young people to maintain the Ponzi scheme for longer than its normal life span. We might need a birth encouragement program as Russia as tried. Give refrigerators and electronic toys to women who give birth with even more gifts to parents who’s children successfully graduate from college, trade or tech schools. . Such bribery might reduce the abortion rate. Stranger things have happened.

    . A little farther down the horizion, folks will be singing a version of Katy Perry’s song “I’m wide awake.”

  • 118. Just a Lurker  |  February 17, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Huck – Yes there are condoms but they only work IF he has one, willing to use it, puts it on correctly and it doesn’t break. A lot of IFs there. One complaint is “it doesn’t feel right so I don’t want to use one”. The pill allowed a responsible woman the control and not dependent upon her partner.

    Google – birth control for men. I remember hearing in the 70’s? a bc pill was developed for men. But if he drank alcohol it caused his eyes to become blood shot, so of course this did not go over well. Forgive me for being blunt but it seems too many men do not like someone messing with their manhood in any way shape or form and shooting blanks makes them less then men in their minds. If they were to aggressively push for an easy reliable birth control there would be one I am sure. But they are NOT it seems.

    Before the pill woman did have a great say on what went into her body and too many said NO! And many men found they had to get married if they want to have sex on a regular basis. Or date the girls he would never bring home to meet his parents.

    The time to have a say in abortion is BEFORE there is a need for one. The man should be protecting himself and taking the responsibility to prevent an unwanted pregnancy that may end in abortion. It takes two to make a child and it takes two to be sure to prevent one. BEFORE not AFTER.

    It would also help if the sons were taught to respect themselves and the girl they are with. If you choose to have sex there is a responsibility and consequences that come with it. That penis of his has the potential to change the course of the life of the woman, put a child in a place of abuse or neglect or cause the death of a potential child of his. RESPONSIBILITY! There is a hell of a lot more to sex than just a fuckin good time.

  • 119. muffy  |  February 17, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    Rutherford,

    ”Isn’t the true hardcore approach to punish the mother who contracted the murder of her baby? Surely the mother would be prosecuted for ordering a doctor to kill her healthy 3 month old. So what’s the difference pre-birth?”

    Yes, that sounds like a “true hardcore approach” to me. Not to mention grossly lacking in compassion. In any case, I think the doctor/patient relationship lends itself to the woman’s natural inclination to accept that the doctor is an expert and as such is always right.

    Ultimately, I’m not big on “punishment” regarding the abortion issue, especially when as a society we tend to teach our children by example to devalue life in the first place (among other things). Hollywood is particularly culpable in this regard.

    I find it interesting to note the political and religious/irreligious bent of the folks all gooped up on punishment here.

    In any case, I believe that a woman has to face enough consequences in the equation – regardless of the choice she makes.

    My original remark echoes some of my earlier comments from the archives that support the idea that we penalize the employer for hiring someone not legally authorized to work in this country and specifically NOT punish the person seeking work. The normal consequences of their actions is harsh enough (assuming their actions result in deportation).

    As an aside, with regard to hiring undocumented workers – imagine how ridiculous it would sound if these employers started pretending that they were hiring this cheap labor out of the goodness of their hearts. No one would believe them.

  • 120. Huck  |  February 17, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    “Yes there are condoms but they only work IF he has one, willing to use it, puts it on correctly and it doesn’t break. A lot of IFs there. One complaint is “it doesn’t feel right so I don’t want to use one”. The pill allowed a responsible woman the control and not dependent upon her partner.”

    The pill can be misused or not used at all, the same as a condom. An IUD can be misused or not used at all. You hit on the key word…”responsible.” A condom allows a responsible male to take that same control and not depend on his partner.

    “they only work IF he has one [and is] willing to use it”

    Or if she has one to give him and forces him to use it.

    “One complaint is “it doesn’t feel right so I don’t want to use one”.”

    To which the female can respond, “how right does your hand feel?” If the woman sticks to her guns, I can all but guarantee she will end up the winner in that discussion.

    “The man should be protecting himself and taking the responsibility to prevent an unwanted pregnancy that may end in abortion.”

    Yes he should. Again, that is what condoms are for.

    There is very little in your #118 that I disagree with. My big issue is once the deed is done. I support and encourage men to take more responsibility in their sexual actions. But I also wish they had more say in the issue of abortion. Instead, the issue has been politicized into a ridiculous “war on women” meme, where “old white guys” are told to keep their hands off of America’s uteri (is that the plural?)

    With responsibility should come rights, just as with rights should come responsibility. Currently, men have absolutely NO rights in the abortion debate. And the biggest counter I have heard to that is “then don’t get a woman pregnant.” His say in the matter is over once his part in the process is over. Then we turn around and tell him he needs to take more responsibility because his actions have potential outcomes.

    I don’t claim to have the answers on this one. I am not suggesting a man should be able to force a woman to have an abortion, nor am I suggesting he should be able to force her to have a child. I am just pointing out that we are sending mixed messages in a very complex issue.

  • 121. Huck  |  February 17, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    “Google – birth control for men.”

    Instead, I Googled “male birth control pills” and it seems that such a thing is not here…yet. Lots of articles talking about it coming relatively soon.

  • 122. dead rabbit  |  February 17, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    “They like things simple, cut-and-dried, and invariably try to boil this problem down to black/white, right/wrong, life/anti-life. Sometimes, Noah, no matter how much we wish it, life’s problems don’t yield to simple answers and three-word talking poings; you actually have to THINK a little”. -Pfessor

    Exactly my point. There is no cut and dry answer to life. So, you err on the side of caution. Chopping up babies in the womb with almost every physical attribute of a grown up (and even some behavioral ones) isn’t erring on the side of caution in my book.

    Lastly, to those miffed that many on the right won’t drop abortion and continue to use the political channels available, thank your lucky stars. You think losing elections every now and then is bad. I don’t think you want to find out what St. Micheal is capable of doing.

  • 123. dead rabbit  |  February 17, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Is it weird that I kind of miss using a condom for some reason? The packaging almost makes it sound as if it will improve things. Or maybe I correlate them with some strange. Or maybe its not the package but my package I’m not happy with. Or maybe I should shut up. Yeah…that’s the ticket. I should shut up.

  • 124. dead rabbit  |  February 17, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Weird…my comments disappeared over at BiC’s. And my new ones won’t post.

  • 125. Just a Lurker  |  February 17, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    alfie – “I have the right to counter your opinion to the degree the blog host allows.This what grownups call adversarial dialog.”

    I agree, you are correct. But out of all that I had to say that was the only thing you took issue with…..because you can not read my mind. (wrote a book tried to condense) I am not Catholic I married one and the marriage was annulled after 20 years. My issue with the Catholic church is purely personal and with one Catholic in particular. Otherwise one is free to believe what ever they wish as long as they do not force their beliefs on others.

    The CHURCH says you can not be Pro-Choice and be a Catholic. But I know a number of younger Catholics (and some in their 80’s) who disagree with their statement. It has put them in a difficult position and some no longer attend church but still consider themselves Catholic. It is not a black or white issue.

  • 126. PFesser  |  February 17, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    JAL – yes, things have changed, haven’t they? In years past, when one disagreed with his church, he/she often knuckled under. Now they listen to their own consciences and leave the church. Some of the churches aren’t hip to that yet.

  • 127. PFesser  |  February 17, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    DR – apologies for the “neanderthal” comment. I guess we all get a little crazy sometimes.

  • 128. Noah  |  February 17, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    “Others – the majority –”

    This derails your argument every time. I am talking about right and wrong, majority is beside the point at hand.

    “do not see it that way, and that is why I believe people should make their own decisions. If you don’t like abortions, don’t have them.”

    Being we are talking about right and wrong, then no. Until you can logically explain to me why all others deserve rights but this one, I feel you have no leg to stand on and you are being at the very least inconsistent. As I stated before, can a person be charged with any crime at all in your mind for harming a fetus since you afford it no rights?

    “Many would disagree. War or not, it LOOKS that way,”
    “Others would disagree there, too. You cannot win this; the Democrats have outflanked you”
    “Others do not see it that way, and the Democrats have successfully conflated the anti-choice people”

    No disrespect intended but you have pussied out and gave up. Things got a little tough for you and you caved. Now you want to play ball by their rules on their terms. Its fun being on a team when they are winning but its a different ball game when the odds are stacked against you.

    We both know Liberals have made a practice of making false arguments with false choices and convoluted and muddied the waters to the point we are afraid to do anything for ourselves without asking permission first. To me in times like this it is the perfect time to simplify things again and do what we know is right, public opinion be damned. To be Liberal, as you are suggesting under your breath, to play by their rules, is to admit defeat.

    My parents taught me to do what I know is right, not what others with different values tell me is right. This has nothing to do with nobility but it has a lot to do with integrity. Maybe you had it once but you seem to have lost it, or at the very least lost sight of it.

    There is no compromise on abortion. That said there can be no good compromise. We are talking about ending life. There is no middle of the road here. Clint Eastwood said it best, when you kill a man, you take everything away from him. Everything he has and everything he is ever going to have.

    When I said you had no moral ground to stand on, you pussied out yet again. If you are going to be for ending a life, then have the balls to admit your hypocrisy or explain why you are justified in denying one group their right while you fight so hard for everyone else.

  • 129. Noah  |  February 17, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    For the record on Religion for all you arm-chair experts. Most other “Christian” groups hold high disdain for the Catholic church and do not consider them a good representation of the Christian faith. We are Baptist, and many times a year we have different kinds of gatherings with other denominations. Pentecostals, Lutherans, Presbyterians, even had one with the Assembly of God folks, but we have never had one with a Catholic group.

    The one good thing I can see from Liberals driving up the minimum wage is maybe returning this country to its roots. Where 80%+ of Americans owned their own small business, and it was rare that someone was an employee.

  • 130. Just a Lurker  |  February 17, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    James – “We also know that Planned Parenthood and the Pro- Choice movement have eugenics origins. Perhaps many of our abortions are still a form of population control, and they illustrate the inherent racism of progressives.”

    I have read the PP had eugenics origins but I did not know Pro-Choice had as well. Abortions have been available for a long time even when illegal to those who had the knowledge, connections or the money to have it performed by doctors in hospitals. It was called D&C, laymen’s terms a Dusting and Cleaning. But others and yes mostly poor of all colors who did not have these advantages had no choice but to turn to back alley quacks, knitting needles, wire coat hangers or a few old wives tale concoctions that some times worked. Too many young women were dying or physically damage or damage caused by infections that it prevented them from ever get pregnant again. Legalizing abortion made safe abortions available to them as well. But it was not intentionally racist in motive to my knowledge. You know just all those people who were not white with money.

    “the inherent racism of progressives” – please explain this statement.

    Do I think Pro-Life people are racists” No. A few maybe but I believe most are sincere and passionate in their belief. Those who believe the Dems buy votes; Repubs bought votes as well; the evangelicals and Pro-Lifers both very well organized and passonate in their beliefs. But I do believe there are those who are racists or just old white people who do not wish to be a minority in US who have highjacked the Pro-Life movement to further their own agenda. Of course IMO.

  • 131. Noah  |  February 17, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    The real racists are the Democrats who though Planned Parenthood and abortion practices support eugenics and the genocide of the black race. Look at where the vast majority of PP clinics are at. Look at the percentage of abortions that are black. Nuff said.

    You never did explain your view on making abortion illegal and guns Lurk. If it wont work on abortion, why will it on guns?

  • 132. Noah  |  February 17, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Executive Orders by our Presidents.

    Teddy Roosevelt 3
    Presidents prior to FDR none.
    FDR 11 in 16 years
    Truman 5 in 7 years
    IKE 2 in 8 years
    JFK 4 in 3 years
    LBJ 4 in 5 years
    Nixon 1 in 6 years
    Ford 2 in 2 years
    Carter 3 in 4 years
    Reagan 5 in 8 years
    Bush1 3 in 4 years
    Clinton 15 in 8 years
    Bush2 62 in 8 years
    Obama 923 in 3.5 years

    Anyone not think the process is broke yet?

  • 133. Alfie  |  February 17, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    @132 I don’t know where you got your numbers but they are way wrong. For example FDR issued 3,728 EO’s between 1933-1945

    More recently:
    Clinton=364, W Bush=291 and Obama not counting the 2013 roll out of 20+= 144
    source National Archives & Federal Register.

  • 134. Alfie  |  February 17, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    @ JAL to conclude our conversation…no your catholic stuff was not the only thing I took exception too and the opening comment from me (#89) spoke of how you started out pretty well.

  • 135. PFesser  |  February 17, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    “This derails your argument every time. I am talking about right and wrong, majority is beside the point at hand.”

    No, it derails YOUR argument; this country is run by majority rule. Where nearly everyone agrees, we make laws. Where they do not, we vote and majority rules. It doesn’t matter how hard you believe; you are one person.

    “No disrespect intended but you have pussied out and gave up. Things got a little tough for you and you caved. Now you want to play ball by their rules on their terms. Its fun being on a team when they are winning but its a different ball game when the odds are stacked against you.”

    It’s also fun when you’re on THEIR team (that would be me); no pussy-ing necessary.

    “There is no compromise on abortion.”

    Thanks again for confirming my point perfectly. Since there can be no compromise, we will just have to do it by force. Sorry.

  • 136. PFesser  |  February 17, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Noah opined:

    “Bush1 3 in 4 years
    Clinton 15 in 8 years
    Bush2 62 in 8 years
    Obama 923 in 3.5 years
    Anyone not think the process is broke yet?”

    Sorry – not so.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/executiveorders.asp

    I think it is Google that must be broke. This information is easily available on the Internet.

  • 137. James  |  February 17, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Luker, I suggest you Google Reason.com “When Bigots Became Reformers.” Other sites are also available. The Progressive movement became popular from the early 1890’s to the early 1920’s and produced a popular consensus that government ought to be the primary agent of social change.

    Conservatives also had racist inclinations, but as people favoring limited government, their attitudes cared less weight than the Progressives did.”In fact from the standpoint of African-American history, the Progressive Era qualifies as arguably the single worst period since Emancipation.” David W Southern wrote in “The Progressive Era and Race Reform and Reaction, 1900-1917, the worst race baiting and disfranchisement accompanied southern Progressivism.

    Books of the time, some written by Progressives included Charles Carrol “The Negro a Beast”, RW Shufeldt “The Negro, A Menace to American Civilization and Madison Grant’s “The Passing of the Great Race” He believed that an inferior race was out breeding their betters, a view shared by the creators of Planned Parenthood.

    At college, Southern noted, “budding progressives not only read exposes of capitalistic barons and attacks on laissez-faire economics by muckraking journalist, they also read racist tracts that drew on the latest anthropology, biology, psychology, sociology, eugenics and medical science”

    Carter Glass of Virginia chair of the House committee on banking and Currency helped write the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. He also supported removing the vote from blacks. John R. Common an adviser to Robert LaFollette and a member of TR’s immigration Commission opposed immigration and wrote that so-called tropical races were “indolent and fickle.” Woodrow Wilson also opposed equal rights for blacks.

    The Socialist Party led by Eugene Debs also held racist attitudes.
    The leftist novelist Jack London felt solidarity with white people, but not for blacks.

    That is what I mean by the inherent racism of Progressives. Their past reeks of it. It is part of their heritage. I am not accusing modern Progressives of overt racism as some have accused conservatives and Tea Party members. But I can fairly say Progressives have a racist heritage.

  • 138. James  |  February 17, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    I also believe some of my distant relatives were victimized during the Progressive Era. A few of my ancestors came from Finland, and four cousins still have slightly slanted eyes like Sami singer Sofia Jannok, though like her they have blue eyes and tend to be dishwater blonds. Majority scientific doctrine before and into the Progressive Era held that Fins and especially Sami did not deserve the normal rights of Europeans because they were a mongrel- mongoloid race and thus, not true Europeans. Even today, people sometimes call Jannok a mongrel.

    Around 1906, someone brought suit to get a Fin deported from the US under the Asian Exclusion Act. ,

  • 139. Noah  |  February 18, 2013 at 1:21 am

    “No, it derails YOUR argument; this country is run by majority rule. Where nearly everyone agrees, we make laws. Where they do not, we vote and majority rules. It doesn’t matter how hard you believe; you are one person.”

    1. So by your thinking, you believe cultural relativism is true?
    2. Your opinion as pertains to this topic to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? I see it as a violation, by your position you do not. Why?

    Since you seem to cherry pick questions you chose to respond I will limit my questions to these 2 and continue once you have finished with these.

  • 140. Rutherford  |  February 18, 2013 at 2:03 am

    My two biggest regrets of the new job are, in order, not being able to spend as much time with my family because of the off shift hours and not being able to participate as much here as I’d like.

    I hope to drink in the debate on Tuesday (my day off). I will say it is refreshing to see Noah battling someone other than me. :-)

    P.S. I’ve asked for slightly better hours beginning next Sunday. We’ll see what happens.

  • 141. Noah  |  February 18, 2013 at 5:20 am

    yep states on EO was off..what I get for trusting a 3rd party site without checking it.

  • 142. Noah  |  February 18, 2013 at 7:16 am

    Anyone else find it interesting that of the 30 some odd survivors that got out of Benghazi, that not a single one of them has been heard from?

  • 143. James  |  February 18, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Good luck, Rutherford. Our daughter and son in law face the same shift problem. They don’t get to see much of each other, and it is why we will be helping care for our grand daughter after she is born.

    I’m sure this job is just a stepping stone within or out of the company. It won’t take long for the company to understand how valuable you are.

    Yes it is interesting Noah We did the same in college. We created alibies and stuck to our stories after a panti- raid..Obama and Clinton think no one cares about four dead men and other wounded. They are right. We needed to impeach Obama so people would be under oath and face jail if they lied..

  • 144. PFesser  |  February 18, 2013 at 9:25 am

    “1. So by your thinking, you believe cultural relativism is true?”

    I don’t think you are asking the question you want to ask. Are you asking, “is it valid, does it exist, is it ——– what?”

    “2. Your opinion as pertains to this topic to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?”

    Is that a question?

    “I see it as a violation, by your position you do not. Why?”

    “It, what?” Tighten up your question. What are you asking?

    I am unfamiliar with the UDHR, so if you want an opinion on that, I have none.

    **************

    I appreciate that you are a true believer, Noah, but you are going to have to get used to the idea that – even if you believe with all your heart A)you are just one person – and in America that means you get one vote, and B)most people here don’t want what YOU want.

    Jumping up and down, yelling, “I want it! I want it! I want it!” gets you nowhere, except that people don’t take you seriously, and they vote against you. Unfortunately, when those kinds of antics take YOUR party down, they take MINE down, too.

    You say you’re not too happy with my stance, well, I’m not too happy with the results of yours either. I blame folks just like you for the fact that we now have probably the least-capable president in the history of the nation, and we are paying a lot bigger price for THAT mistake than a few buckets of bloody tissue, mon ami.

    Yes, like some of your co-true-believers, you can try to force your opinion on others with violence. Go ahead. The constabulary will come down on your head like a ton of manure.

    There are things you are going to have to get used to, Noah: 1)Obama won the election – twice. 2) He IS the President 3) Abortion is, and will likely remain, legal.

    There is nothing more to say.

  • 145. PFesser  |  February 18, 2013 at 9:31 am

    R – tell us about your job. Are you satisfied? I’m probably going to take a tele-radiology job at about 1/3 salary, but I can work from home. It will be about 6 hrs/day. The good news – if there is good news about a lower salary – is that my taxes to the feds will go down by about 1/2.

    That’s the problem with the socialist ideology: they think that if they want more money to spend, they just squeeze people. They forget that people will just quit work or cut their hours back – exactly what I’ve done.

  • 146. James  |  February 18, 2013 at 9:47 am

    McCain asked David Gregory “Do You Care whether four Americans died?” Of course, he doesn’t.

  • 147. Huck  |  February 18, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    2nd shift is the worst. You have to work while the rest of the world is at home.

    I liked graveyard shift the best. Less people to deal with. You work while the world sleeps and sleep while the world works.

    Hang in their, Rutherford.

  • 148. Noah  |  February 18, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    “1. So by your thinking, you believe cultural relativism is true?”

    I don’t think you are asking the question you want to ask. Are you asking, “is it valid, does it exist, is it ——– what?”

    Cultural Relativism down to its most basic description is the belief that what is right or wrong is what society says is right or wrong.

    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is the UN’s attempt at trying to define the basic minimum rights that should be afforded to all human beings, established back in late 1948.

    I disagree with your assessment that I am pitching a fit. I am trying to explain a point of view to someone I think is being purposefully obtuse to stall out the discussion. Where you see me stomping up and down, I see conviction. I see me trying to present the point of view that I am actually expressing, not the one you are trying to re frame into some childish rant.

    You are welcome to take another poke at those questions.

  • 149. Noah  |  February 18, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Is this then factual on EO’s issued by Presidents? I ask because it does not match the rebuttals above.

    http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html

  • 150. PFesser  |  February 18, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    “You are welcome to take another poke at those questions.”

    Welcome, but not willing.

    Next topic.

  • 151. Noah  |  February 18, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    nm to 149 I see that those are the EO numbers, their number, not the number of orders.

  • 152. Noah  |  February 18, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Sorry I was right to see you stalling it out. But for the record that is where the pro choice argument always falls apart, and why I have a problem with it. If they would at least admit the inconsistencies in their position, that at least would be progress.

    You do not have a sound moral position if you say humans have rights, but select groups that do not.

    On cultural relativism, it is generally accepted to be a false premise. I tried to argue with my professor for 2 years that it was true in some form, just not as it was written. I wrote 6 different papers and each was debunked, and rightly so.

  • 153. poolman  |  February 18, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    I was raised Republican and all that that entails. I was happy and dumb that way for most of my life. I even protested in anti abortion rallies. Life was much simpler then and we believed the press, though claimed it reported from a liberal bias. Some still think so.

    The John Birch Society is right wing and apparently the Koch brothers’ father was one of its originators. I remember the big stink when Palin was discovered with their publication in her possession.

    Plenty of the religious right today are distancing themselves from the GOP, after years of unquestioned and devoted loyalty. Not that they are embracing the left. The left has always been considered the party of lesser or no real morals. Our political parties suck here in the states. Other ‘democracies’ have more choices. But here in the ‘land of opportunity’, all we have is an illusion of choice.

    It really doesn’t matter anymore. The entire nation itself is immoral and acting as such in every area in which they delve. The PTB are scrambling to shut down our internet and hide all the incoming space objects that are becoming more prevalent and are only going to increase as the year progresses.

    It is really shameful to understand what our government keeps from us.

    Forget first shift, second shift, or graveyard. The best ‘shift’ is self-employment. I don’t think I could work for someone else ever again. Corporate America? What a joke. I’ve watched corporate America jump the shark. Made in America is the rarest of things nowadays.

  • 154. James  |  February 18, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    Self employment is one of the most stressful conditions on the working world. Everything depends on you, and if you are sick the work isn’t done unless you have employees. You must struggle with numbers and make them stretch to pay the bills,and to feed employees and your family. I agree with Poolman There is no better life.

    Our daughter said she could never endure the stress of self employment. Ironically,she is a therapist and branch manager which makes her almost self employed.

    I learned a few things in the service and later. One is “your” moral beliefs are none of my business unless they directly affect me. About the only eternal moral verity I know is the right to self defense and an obligation to protect allies. Killing or stealing, while wrong in our society is justifiable and even commendable in other circumstances. That includes murdering unborn babies.

  • 155. poolman  |  February 18, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    The other thing about self-employment that appeals to me is I don’t contribute to the harm of others. I am not an enabler – except for the taxes I pay that go to the purchase and use of weaponized drones.

    If I could figure how not to contribute, I would. Still working on that…

  • 156. Noah  |  February 19, 2013 at 2:06 am

    Notes date and time. I can find nothing I disagree with in 153.

    I finally closed my business/not for profit. Who knew it was harder to shut one down that it is to start it. Gave away 4 of the PC to 4 of my regulars and sold the rest. Like Poolman I find the idea of working for someone else very distasteful. Current job market looks bleak in Michigan so I need to start another business or we are entertaining moving to another state.

  • 157. Rutherford  |  February 19, 2013 at 2:20 am

    2nd shift is the worst. You have to work while the rest of the world is at home.

    Oh I have an evil twist on that. 21st century tech allows me to do this job from home. So in a way it’s worse. I’m trapped in my office with door closed while my family goes right along without me … and I can’t be interrupted cos I’m on the phone with customers the entire shift.

    I’m hoping to get the shift moved from noon – nine to 10am – 7pm. That way I’ll see a bit more of my daughter and I can enjoy more prime time TV with the kid and wife.

    MSNBC has a special on tonight which I haven’t watched yet called “Hubris” based on a book by David Corn and Mike Isacoff. From the little I’ve seen, there’s no way one can watch this and not think Dick Cheney should be indicted for something. What exactly I don’t know.

  • 158. Noah  |  February 19, 2013 at 2:41 am

    Given that the new government of Mexico has proposed a truce with the drug cartels, one wonders if there is a more sinister motive at play? Could the cartels want to know which large Texas ranchers have semi-automatic weapons, for example? A registry could provide such knowledge rather handily.

    http://standwitharizona.com/blog/2013/02/18/mexico-asks-u-s-senate-to-create-registry-of-american-gun-owners-in-border-states/

  • 159. Noah  |  February 19, 2013 at 7:43 am

    Guess this is what you get when you cross the Oblama administration.

    http://www.collateralmurder.com/

  • 161. Noah  |  February 19, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Why does the Government have 2 billion rounds of ammo? Everyone call your Representatives and tell them we want answers!
    (202) 224-3121
    We only shot 5.5 million rounds a month in the Iraq war, so they are geared up for a 24 year Iraq War. I wonder is this how they are going to disarm us? Buy up all the ammo, or do they have other intentions? They estimated that while the war in Iraq was going on, 5.5 million rounds were fired each year. By this number, the government non military personnel have enough ammo to fight a 24 long war.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/17/Feds-Buy-2-Billion-Rounds-Of-Ammunition

  • 162. Noah  |  February 19, 2013 at 8:16 am

    ops sorry for the double paragraph.

  • 163. James  |  February 19, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Our son is part of a team which keeps his company’s computer system operating. Some of the team have never seen each other face to face because they live hundreds or thousands of miles apart. He works from home one day a week during normal duty hours. I hope you can get your hours changed.

    I don’t know why Cheney should be indicted either. If he can be, so can Obama. They could be cell mates and catch up on family matters. I believe they are distant cousins.

  • 164. James  |  February 19, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Think Brown Shirts, Noah. I don’t really believe it, but a new conspiracy theory would be fun.

  • 165. PFesser  |  February 19, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Rutherford – If you are thinking of traveling this spring, join us for Blue Ridge Beltane May 17-19 at Stoney Creek Resort in Greenville, VA. Lotsa pagan mucking about, which means fun. No animals sacrificed, nobody crucified – just plain enjoyment.

    http://blueridgebeltane.org/

  • 166. poolman  |  February 19, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Rutherford, for grins you ought to work up a New Delhi accent. :lol: Anyway, if you moved across the world, you might get to work the hours you prefer. I think I would rather hold one of those pointed signs on the street corner rather than be on the phone all day.

    But that’s just me…

  • 167. Noah  |  February 19, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    And a Libs true colors comes shining through.

    http://gunssavelives.net/blog/video-democratic-lawmaker-says-women-afraid-of-rape-cant-be-trusted-with-guns-later-apologizes/

    It does matter who you are or who you support, their end game is to control everyone and everything. Don’t think for a second Libs wont throw you under the bus when it suits their purpose.

  • 168. Noah  |  February 19, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    Heh always a little truth in humor.

  • 169. Noah  |  February 19, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    Somehow this just doesn’t sit right with me.

    https://www.mrc.org/biasalerts/msnbc-panel-sits-around-and-tells-race-jokes-air

  • 170. Noah  |  February 19, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Happy Birthday Tea Party.

  • 171. James  |  February 19, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    Thanks for the funny picture, Noah.

    Rutherford doesn’t like Michele Malkin, but her news stories are more accurate than what the networks report. Joe Salazar of Colorado said in effect that women are too emotional to defend themselves with guns.Better that they try wetting themselves or vomiting. So far Megyn Kelly is the only reporter to mention the mistake. Twitchy, which Malkin helped found made the report.

    I like the New Delhi accent, Rutherford. You could learn it and make people think you were calling from India. Talking on the phone all day would be fun, “but that’s just me.”

  • 172. Noah  |  February 19, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Among other wonderful things, since taking office President Obama has:

    – Signed the NDAA indefinite detention bill into law
    – Personally oversaw a ’Secret Kill List’
    – Started a covert, drone war in Yemen
    – Escalated the proxy war in Somalia
    – Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan
    – Will maintain a presence in Iraq even after “ending” the war
    – Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan
    – Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries
    – Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia
    – Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia
    – Opened a military base in Chile
    – Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports
    – Signed the Patriot Act extension into law
    – Continued Bush’s rendition program

    Here’s to another four more years of hypocrisy. Telling us to cut defense spending while increasing military activities and yet the left still loves him…

  • 173. Rutherford  |  February 19, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    LOL James don’t think the Indian accent hasn’t occurred to me. :-)

    I think talking on the phone all day would grow old for you if you knew just how bad the average IP phone to cellular phone connection sucks. I spend 50% of my day shouting.

    Which brings me to my mini-rant. Why is it that we are all so bedazzled by technology that a crappy solution wrapped in “convenience” or high tech is widely accepted and even praised? Let’s face it … many cell phone calls absolutely suck. Yet instead of demanding a better solution we buy up cell phones like nobody’s business and they are now pervasive. And the sound quality we used to demand from a phone conversation has gone right down the toilet.

    The amazing thing is the number of folks who say they can’t hear me like it’s my fault when they are on a cell phone in the middle of traffic.

    Rant over.

  • 174. Huck  |  February 19, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    “- Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia”

    What’s wrong with that? Did Saudi Arabia break its treaty with Israel the same as Egypt didn’t?

    Are you afraid that Saudi Arabia might use those weapons against Islamists that are even more radical and unstable than the Saudis? Are you afraid they will use them against the Iran-backed Shi’ites in Yemen and Bahrain? Are you afraid they are gearing up for a possible war with Iran?

  • 175. Noah  |  February 19, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Sorry Huck, still too ignorant to speak at your level.

    I thought this was an interesting take on the Conservative problem.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/02/how_the_left_dupes_conservative_voters.html

  • 176. Alfie  |  February 19, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    @ noah 172….is your beef with the points you list or the lefts hypocrisy?

  • 177. Noah  |  February 19, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Mostly the hypocrisy but I also take great issue with the direct assault on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The latest that Obama is trying to make a legal case to kill Americans. To be able to kill Americans with no intelligence on them, with no burden of proof required other than suspicion. That this hasn’t been picked up by the media and Americans wanting to throw this guy out of office is mind boggling. I can’t begin to understand how even the most hard core Liberal can support this.

  • 178. Noah  |  February 19, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    A feel good story this evening, gives me hope there are still a few out there with some common sense. I like the way this man thinks.

    For those not familiar with Joe Arpio, he is the County Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona. He keeps getting re-elected over and over again.

    These are some of the reasons why:

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio created the “tent city jail” to save Arizona from spending tens of millions of dollars on another expensive prison complex.Inmates sleep in tents!

    He has jail meals down to 20 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

    He banned smoking and pornographic magazines in the jails, and took away their weightlifting equipment and cut off all but “G” movies. He says: “They’re in jail to pay a debt to society not to build muscles so they can assault innocent people when they leave.”

    He started chain gangs to use the inmates to do free work on county and city projects and save taxpayer’s money. Men work in Pink “Clean and Sober” Shirts. Their underwear is also Pink!

    Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn’t get sued for discrimination.

    He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again but only allows the Disney channel and the weather channel.

    When asked why the weather channel, he replied: “So these morons will know how hot it’s gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs.”

    He cut off coffee because it has zero nutritional value and is therefore a waste of taxpayer money. When the inmates complained, he told them, “This isn’t the Ritz/Carlton. If you don’t like it, don’t come back.”

    He also bought the Newt Gingrich lecture series on US history that he pipes into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series that actually tells the truth for a change would be welcome and that it might even explain why 95% of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.

    With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record for June 2nd 2009), the Associated Press reported: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed wire surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.

    On the Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing pink boxer shorts were overheard chatting in the tents, where temperatures reached 128 degrees.”This is hell. It feels like we live in a furnace,” said Ernesto Gonzales, an inmate for 2 years with 10 more to go. “It’s inhumane.”

    Joe Arpaio, who makes his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. “Criminals should be punished for their crimes – not live in luxury until it’s time for parole, only to go out and commit more crimes so they can come back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things many taxpayers can’t afford to have for themselves.”

    The same day he told all the inmates who were complaining of the heat in the tents: “It’s between 120 to 130 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents there too, and they have to walk all day in that sun, wearing full battle gear and getting shot at, and THEY have not committed any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!”

    Sheriff Joe was just re-elected for the fourteenth time as Sheriff in Maricopa County, Arizona.

  • 179. Huck  |  February 20, 2013 at 12:54 am

    “Sorry Huck, still too ignorant to speak at your level.”

    I was clearly mistaken as to your comment. I don’t know why you couldn’t have just said that, rather than spout this DR-level horseshit about my education.

    I don’t know why the 2 of you are so threatened by it. But you both clearly are. Why else would you feel the need to bring it up in discussions, even when I do not?

    It reminds me of DR calling out the atheists for talking about God all the time.

  • 180. Tex Taylor  |  February 20, 2013 at 1:18 am

    Wasn’t it Rutherford that was apoplectic when charged with voter fraud ubiquitous in Dim America? Hell, everyone knew he was lying through his teeth when he denied it. He and that chimpanzee faced horse’s ass Zulu turd deemed First Lady. What a disgrace that nasty POS is.

    And I guarantee you this voter fraud is prolific throughout every majority black urban community. They cheat like hell – I diduns knowz it was ilzlegal to votes twiced. Dumb animals.

    Voter fraud is rampant in America and it becoming all too obvious.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/341051/ohio-officials-poll-worker-may-have-voted-six-times-eliana-johnson

    Good to see you’re alive and kicking, Huck. Hope the heart is healthy.

    Fuck you, Rutherford. :grin:

  • 181. Rutherford  |  February 20, 2013 at 1:27 am

    Damn, I knew Tex’s boredom would get the best of him eventually. At least he had something charitable to say to Huck.

    And a Happy F*ck You to you too ole Taylor. Rabbit’s been crying daily during your absence. :sad:

  • 182. Rutherford  |  February 20, 2013 at 1:34 am

    Why am I not surprised to see Noah sing the praises of crazy Joe Arpaio who if I’m not mistaken is birther extraordinaire? As you might guess, not everyone is a big fan of Joe:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/01/joe-arpaio-fundraising_n_2599639.html

  • 183. poolman  |  February 20, 2013 at 2:03 am

    Sheriff Joe was just re-elected for the fourteenth time as Sheriff in Maricopa County, Arizona.

    Yeah, but I predict he won’t last this term. There is finally some seriousness to ousting him. We have been known to recall our elected officials from time to time. Really, it is still questionable if he actually did win this election, since we had so many ballots remain uncounted.

    Joe has been sideways with this administration from the get go. Probably because they got serious about investigating his misuse of funds and corruption in his office. The man has a will do anything for attention. I think it is just mob vs mob, and he isn’t part of the same mob as O.

    Tex is still kicking around? I figured he’d finally done himself in or maybe made a certain mulatto president’s assassination list. I guess grace and mercy sustain him – for now. :wink:

  • 184. Noah  |  February 20, 2013 at 2:17 am

    Huck, you’re 180 degrees off as usual on where other people are coming from. You went out of you way to say how we were ignorant. I made no personal commentary about you to that point and kept it to the topic at hand. I thought your comments were unnecessary and out of line. As long as that is your assessment I really don’t think anything is accomplished by responding. I hope your students get a better shake.

  • 185. Noah  |  February 20, 2013 at 2:20 am

    Tex
    I had posted a link where a voter official, a black lady and man had both voted at least 8 times, and encouraged and helped others to do the same. Not one peep out of anyone here from the left on it, not that anyone is surprise. Good to see you again.

    On our good Sheriff. I posted that section because I agree with the choices he has made to this point regarding prisoners. It is not an assessment of every choice this man has made over his career as I am not aware of it. I just happen to agree with what he has done in this particular instance.

  • 186. Noah  |  February 20, 2013 at 2:22 am

    “Why am I not surprised to see Noah sing the praises of crazy Joe Arpaio who if I’m not mistaken is birther extraordinaire? As you might guess, not everyone is a big fan of Joe”

    Yes R, we know you would have held their hand, explained to these criminals how it was not their fault, it was society’s fault and rewarded them with free health care, housing, and food stamps to help make up for the injustices done to them that forced them into a life of crime.

  • 187. Noah  |  February 20, 2013 at 2:43 am

    A teacher asked her 6th grade class how many of them were Obama fans. Not really knowing what an Obama fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raised their hands except for Little Johnny.The teacher asked Little Johnny why he has decided to be different… again. Little Johnny said, “Because I’m not an Obama fan.” The teacher asked, “Why aren’t you a fan of Obama?” Johnny said, “Because I’m a Republican.” The teacher asked him why he’s a Republican. Little Johnny answered, “Well, my Mom’s a Republican and my Dad’s a Republican, so I’m a Republican.” Annoyed by this answer, the teacher asked, “If your mom were a moron and your dad were an idiot, what would that make you?” With a big smile, Little Johnny replied, “That would make me an Obama fan..”

  • 188. James  |  February 20, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Hi Tex.

    That was funny Noah.

    I’m glad you were amused, Rutherford, you are probably right that I would tire of phone conversations after a while. We used to get lots of telemarketers, but not any more. Some of my wife’s high school students worked as telemarketers in Omaha at night.

    I used to draw them out to learn about their lives and why they did their jobs. One person attended the same church as my former college room mate and best man at our wedding. She was also my brother-in law’s cousin.

    Recently a man told me I had just won a million dollars and a new Porche. He was driving the car to our home and all I needed to do was to get a debit card at one of the stores he named. He would arrive in a half hour.

    I told him any stores were about an hour away with another hour for the return trip. No matter, he would wait at our house. I asked where he was and he said he was getting close, near Little Rock. I told him he needed a better road map and a geography course. He hung up. Ten minutes later, he told me he was getting close to Las Vegas, so I had better have my debit card ready. I hung up, and he didn’t call back.

    Speaking of ubiquitous cell phones, did you see or read about the Russian dash cams? They are responsible for so many good views of the meteor posted on YouTube. Many of their highways are as deserted as the Al Can highway, and people take advantage of each other for profit. Hence the cameras.

    One video showed a tank suddenly crossing the highway, Others recorded helicopters and jet planes buzzing highways. One showed an airplane wheel hitting a car. Gun battles and fist fights along with horrendous crashes were also popular. Russians entertain themselves with blood, gore, and violence.

  • 189. PFesser  |  February 20, 2013 at 9:45 am

    James – I got one of those GoPro cameras for Christmas. It has a wide-angle lens of nearly 180 degrees and is really just amazing in its simplicity and quality of image. Also does video, and is waterproof to a goodly depth when inside its plastic case, which comes with it.

    My wife and I are thinking of marketing dash-cams, which in this police state would be very, very useful when one is stopped by the Fuzz. My young son was stopped in my F-250 on a rural road two years ago, about 2 a.m., and made to do the DUI-dancing tests. Fortunately he had NOT been drinking, and kept his cool. The cop said he stopped him because he “crossed the centerline.” Bullshit. I’ve been driving for 40 years and I can’t keep that big Ford between the lines on a rural road; the cop just saw a young guy and figured he must be drinking at that hour. Overbearing sonofabitch.

    Oh well, the police are always busy in a police state…

  • 190. PFesser  |  February 20, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Rutherford – tell us more about your job. Are you satisfied well enough? Does bringing in a little capital ease your worries a bit?

  • 191. PFesser  |  February 20, 2013 at 10:02 am

    I did a little sleuthing, and this is the highest recommended/best price model I could find. Has infrared (nighttime) capabilities, logs time, date and place (via GPS), has a g-sensor for crash documentation, microphone. Does video in a loop, so you always have video going back a certain amount of time.

    http://www.aliexpress.com/item/hot-ssales-100-original-full-HD-1920-1080P-30fps-GS1000-car-dvr-recorder-with-GPS-logger/518080298.html

  • 192. poolman  |  February 20, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Cornell West tells us not to be deceived, Obama IS a war criminal. Talk about our ‘eye on the wrong ball’. This IS how we ought to fight the ‘war on terror’. Use the existing law to put the real terrorists in prison. Make the supposed ‘leaders of the free world’ culpable for their actions and subject to the same rule of law as the rest of us.

    http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/02/15-4

    This is another possibility why the Pope is stepping down. When proof starts to erode the common narratives of the day, the PTB get mighty uncomfortable. Good, I say. Let’s give them reason for concern.

    I’d post a recent Br Nathaniel video, but out of deference to the blog host and others in the community, I will refrain. Someday, not today, but soon, this will be very welcome information. Get it before it’s censored and unavailable.

  • 193. PFesser  |  February 20, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    New medal for the drone program:

  • 194. Noah  |  February 20, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Backing up the post by Tex. The more I get into this and other things concerning Obama, I am more and more fascinated how our Media is manipulating events to make all this possible.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/18/Election-Watchdog-Obama-Campaign-Targeted-Citizens-Trained-to-Prevent-Voter-Fraud-in-Ohio

  • 195. Noah  |  February 20, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    My favorite topic of late. Parts 1 and 2 are at the top of the story if you have missed them. I dont know if we can get something going by 2016, but certainly by 2020.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/20/Is-America-Ready-for-a-New-Third-Party-Is-No-Labels-the-Next-Big-Thing

  • 196. Noah  |  February 20, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    I think its time we get rid of the TSA.

  • 197. Rutherford  |  February 20, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Noah the Obama fan joke was actually funny.

  • 198. James  |  February 20, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Thanks for posting the link Pfessor.I usually carry a small video camera in my shirt pocket to record weather etc.Maybe it is time to look for a dash cam. I book marked the link for later.

    I don’t know how much more of a police state Russia is compared to the US, but it seems to have elements of the Old West. The courts discount testimony, but they like videos.

    The media has been manipulating events for years.They are just getting more brazen now.

  • 199. poolman  |  February 20, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    It’s a shame we all have to chase that elusive dollar and try to stretch as much need as we can from it just to live day to day. The damned thing is an illusion we chase whole-heartily through some very nasty times, often enduring some really barf moments.

    It sucks value from our life. I say you have to love what you do. Most of that is how you decide to approach it. Attitude takes the day.

    My grandmother always said no matter what you do, do the best you can. If you were a street sweeper, be the best damn street sweeper there is. That was the kind of value system I grew up with. That is the America I miss. How do you show kids what integrity looks like when the establishment cannot?

  • 200. poolman  |  February 20, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Rabbit will be thrilled to know Bank of America got bailed out by the fed again (on us), though it apparently wasn’t newsworthy (to us).

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/business/dont-blink-or-youll-miss-another-bank-bailout.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2&

  • 201. Rutherford  |  February 20, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    This video was shown in the Argument class I’m taking. I thought some of you might enjoy it.

  • 202. dead rabbit  |  February 20, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    Jackson’s health problems would also be a factor in sentencing. Jackson took an extended leave of absence from Congress last year before resigning in November. He was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, and has been undergoing extensive treatment since last summer.

    “Jesse has serious health issues,” Weingarten said. “We’re going to talk about them extensively with the court, and those health issues are directly related to his present predicament. That’s not an excuse, that’s just a fact.”

    I don’t don’t know if it will work or not, but I would bet a million bucks his “health issues” were his lawyer’s idea from the get go.

  • 203. dead rabbit  |  February 20, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    lol…retroactively downgrading an in the moment experience…

  • 204. dead rabbit  |  February 20, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    I read that Poolman. I don’t know what to think of it. On the one hand, I can’t feel sorry for AIG. And definitely don’t think they should sue over MBS they don’t own anymore. They took a loss, but the bastards really shouldn’t exist. Hell, they should be happy for the price they got for that toxic junk in 08. They were holding a stack of losing tickets from the race track. And got a refund. AIG blaming Bank of America for not recognizing the fraud is impossible. BofA facilitates the deal. AIG are the gamblers. That’s why they exist. To asses risk.

    On the other hand, NY Fed seems very happy with screwing the people over first and foremost if it means expediency. Of course, they will tell us that it is in all of our interests. So sick of billionaires telling us it’s in our interest for them to stay billionaires even though they played the game and loss.

  • 205. poolman  |  February 21, 2013 at 2:54 am

    Yeah. I think the planet is rebelling. At least in these parts.

    http://www.digtriad.com/news/article/270263/1/Sinkhole-Swallows-2-Cars-On-Highway-In-Arizona

  • 206. Noah  |  February 21, 2013 at 5:18 am

    Just keeping things in perspective.

  • 207. Noah  |  February 21, 2013 at 8:51 am

    My expanded thoughts of what is going on in our country.

    http://noahwestmichigan.wordpress.com/2013/02/21/can-hope-and-change-really-transform-a-nation/

  • 208. James  |  February 21, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Nice video Rutherford. We are living in the moment as we anticipate our grand daughter’s birth, and we imagine good things because we can’t change the future. However, we are also planning for the worst because our unborn grand daughter is at high risk.

    I agree with rabbit. Jackson’s illness may be real, but I think he is playing Charlie Harper’s card as he did on Two and a Half men. Charlie sought counseling from a psychiatrist played by a current star of Glee. She asked “why are you here:?” Charlie replied that he might want to kill his brother and he was protecting himself with a good excuse.

    A big storm, now named Q which reminds me of Star trek the Next Generation has been advertised since last week. Most schools and some businesses are closed before even a flake of snow has fallen. That is another example of mixed feelings regarding living in the moment.

  • 209. poolman  |  February 21, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Lindsey Graham claims we have killed (murdered) 4,700 people (human beings) with OUR drones so far. I’m sure the relatives and friends of all these people wouldn’t want revenge for any of this. :roll: “They hate us for our freedoms.” Yeah, right.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/drones-killed-4-700-u-senator-says-141143752–politics.html

    Here is a video named seagulls: http://vimeo.com/59689349

    And then there’s this from Comedy Central…

  • 210. poolman  |  February 21, 2013 at 12:23 pm

  • 211. Rutherford  |  February 21, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Noah I give you credit for putting virtual pen to paper on your own blog. As you can imagine I find your perspective “chicken little”.

    I also read most of your mission statement and it would be nice if you observed the same decorum here as you call for at your place. You want robust debate without getting personal yet you come here and call me a bitch.

    Just sayin’.

  • 212. PFesser  |  February 21, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    “You want robust debate without getting personal yet you come here and call me a bitch.”

    Two comments: 1) Where you stand depends on where you sit, doesn’t it? Looks different when YOU are the target.

    2) BOGU, Rutherford. (Bend over, grease up.)

  • 213. Noah  |  February 21, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    That right is afforded everyone by default without exception. It can however be lost. I gave you the benefit of the doubt for the better part of a month as I attempted to get you to be honest in the presentation of your point of view and the consideration of others. You refused.

    “As you can imagine I find your perspective “chicken little”. ”

    Then give your interpretation of the factual events that have unfolded. I would appreciate a point of view that can paint a picture where we all end up in a happy rainbow place.

  • 214. Noah  |  February 21, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    I think Hussein has some explaining to do.

  • 215. Rutherford  |  February 21, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    PF I’ve been BOGU’d for over 5 years now. Can I start sending my laundry bills to you? ;-)

  • 216. PFesser  |  February 21, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    R – I’m doing a Google Analytics and Search Engine Optimization course now, to help our Websites. It is doing really well; we are middle of the first page for one keyword and second page for our top key phrase.

    There is a lot of money to be made in SEO, and you can get most of the courses online for free. Maybe you would be interested in getting competent in that line of work, and doing it as a side business – you can work from home. With your experience with WordPress, I think you could pick it up quickly.

  • 217. poolman  |  February 21, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    I probably got a dozen SEO companies calling or emailing me every month trying to sell me on their services. I was doing my own site promotion using Google Analytics for awhile, modifying my ad copy and keywords. It was interesting and informative. I had use of some search tools (like a reverse keyword search) and some optimization tactics from a company called stores online we had joined in our endeavor to expand and diversify our income sources.

    I’ll pick it up again when I can handle more volume. Right now it would work against me to up my exposure. Not the season.

    But you are right, there are plenty of jobs in that field. As a career it aligns too closely to advertising, my original chosen field and of which I have much distaste. Most of these groups just buy up the choice keywords. It is also smart to buy up the close-but-not-quite misspelt words. We are mostly poor spellers after all and those keywords usually are available for much less spend.

  • 218. Rutherford  |  February 22, 2013 at 1:41 am

    PF thanks for the advice but as Poolman has suggested, you can’t throw a brick without hitting an SEO “expert”. They’re a dime a dozen and the time I’d have to spend advertising just to get one customer would be time wasted.

    I’m trying to keep my webinar business afloat while I work this full time job and I’m also going to sign up for other low paying Internet based odd jobs just to bring in more cash.

    BTW you asked what I’m doing specifically. I thought I had mentioned it, but I’m a home-based AAA emergency roadside call receiver. If you’ve got a flat tire in Northern California, you may get me on the phone. :-)

    (No I didn’t move to CA — that’s just the region I cover plus Utah and Nevada)

  • 219. dead rabbit  |  February 22, 2013 at 2:36 am

    Dude….after you outed yourself here….can you really even bring up work…bitch about the hours etc? Seems like they would fire you for that.

  • 220. PFesser  |  February 22, 2013 at 6:19 am

    Poolman – glad your business is good; it’s starting to show signs of early spring here, so I’m sure the wx in your part of the country must be getting outstanding and the demand for pool work high. I flew into Phoenix several years ago and was just amazed by the # of pools I saw as we came into land. Ditto the green lawns. (That was a long time ago; I understand their is a movement now to use natural landscape, so you don’t have to water it.) If memory serves, there was also a huge open-top aqueduct coming in from the east; I remember thinking that it must lose a lot of water to evaporation.

    R – there is definitely a market for real SEO guys. We paid beaucoup dollars to get a company to help us last fall; it was so expensive that, since I’m not working otherwise, I decided to do it in-house. Nowadays it is just mandatory to do SEO if you have a commercial site. One of our formerly great sites is not even on the first ten pages of Google; several years ago it was on page 2 or 3 all the time. We’re re-doing it in WordPress as we speak.

  • 221. PFesser  |  February 22, 2013 at 6:20 am

    their -> there

  • 222. James  |  February 22, 2013 at 9:58 am

    The next time we are in California, I might call just to say “hi.” Our son and daughter-in law live in Silicon Valley.

    The storm dropped about 8 inches of snow on us. We really need the moisture.

  • 223. poolman  |  February 22, 2013 at 11:56 am

    there was also a huge open-top aqueduct coming in from the east

    That would be CAP, the Central Arizona Project. http://www.cap-az.com/ That brings us our allotment of the Colorado river water. Evaporation and seepage (much of the concrete channel structure needs some repair) probably do account for a large amount of waste. Migrating ducks love it.

    Underground water sources are still largely contaminated from various defense and pharma industry dumps here over the years.

    http://www.cap-az.com/

  • 224. poolman  |  February 22, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    There still are plenty of green lawns, though many are xeriscaped and the communities have provided incentive to make them so. Some communities require xeriscape. Others provide cost incentives. But aside from yards, there are acres and acres of golf courses out here. Most are watered with reclaimed nonpotable water. Usually they construct the course before the subdivision as a selling feature. Build it and they will come mentality. And they do, for the most part. Plenty of retirees and snowbirds, a vast amount apparently golf enthusiasts, reside here.

    The pool leads I am getting are all from the very wealthy areas rather than across the board as it formerly was. That QE apparently trickles first into the yards of the rich and famous enroute to us bottom dwellers.

    One pool that I am building is for an owner who became wealthy after he sold his business to foreign investors. That seems to be another common trend.

  • 225. Rutherford  |  February 22, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Rabbit, regarding your concern, you should see some of the kidding I did on Facebook before my sister told me to cool it. I know about the Internet footprint and all that so I wasn’t loose lipped out of ignorance, just out of lack of discipline.

    I don’t think I’ve written anything here that’s all that controversial about the job. I’m more likely to get fired for being an outspoken liberal. :-)

    Heck, my wife shakes her head at some of the stuff I’ve said on the job. My problem Rabbit is that I’ll be 52 in June and I’m just too old to play games anymore. I was a “good boy” for 24 years and got tossed out on the street like some newbie college kid. So right now it’s real simple. Tell me what my job is; I’ll do it best I can and give it my all, but I’m not dealing with bullsh*t and I’ll deal with whatever consequences come from that.

    I admit it is also amazing how your attitude changes when you’re no longer talking six figures a year.

  • 226. Rutherford  |  February 22, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    PF I don’t doubt the importance of SEO. I took a free course on it a few years ago offered by an Internet acquaintance. I’m just saying … do you know the weakest part of my webinar business? Marketing. I suck at it. The little webinar business I got was word of mouth and a lucky Google hit now and then. So to establish an SEO clientele … there aren’t enough hours in the day for me to do that.

    If you can make a nice side living out of it, more power to you.

  • 227. Tex Taylor  |  February 22, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Tex is still kicking around? I figured he’d finally done himself in or maybe made a certain mulatto president’s assassination list. I guess grace and mercy sustain him – for now.

    I’ve done my damnedest to get on that hit list, Tool™man. I’ve been searching my yard for those insect drones that like fly around yours, but I guess you’ve got to be a bigger fish. Like you.

    Hi James, Noah and Doc. Fuck you, Rutherford.

    Mr. Rabbit and I have been exchanging pleasantries with pictures of our families to fill in the void. Mr. Rabbit has got a very pretty wife and two cuties for kids. And he’s a biggin, just like I expected. Just the thought of Rabbit getting the chance to cane Poolman brings me to orgasm.

    Boredom is right, Rutherford. So bored, I’m actually giving thought of applying for a job to keep my sane. Don’t count on me hanging around here, though. Only when the news is bad and I can rub your snotty running nose in it. Like today. :smile: I just read you live in the fourth most miserable city in America. And that hole you grew up in was also on the list. You’re like the kiss of death.

    So you’re an emergency responder, hey? I’ll bet you’re the kind of bastard that leaves pinkie on the side of the road, stranded. Unfortunately for the Taylor family, we’ve got Triple AAA. :twisted: Bad karma like an Obama win. You may haunt me until the end.

  • 228. Tex Taylor  |  February 22, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Funny story before I go. You guys would love my wife if you only knew her. It’s your misfortune to not get to meet possibly the funniest woman alive – think Muffy, with the tolerance to handle me all the way to silver anniversary. Now that is some kind of woman.

    I decided last fall after playing structural engineer that my house really had minimum support for the length of rafters in my attic. So I am attaching cross ties across the rafters, about 10′ off the attic floor – cross ties perform something similar to hurricane ties. They do nothing for compression but stabilize the roof in high winds.

    Anyway, my neighbors are elderly and my friends too buggered up to be on a ladder. It takes two tall ladders to reach the appropriate attachment points. Since it is cold, my wife agreed to get in the attic (no spiders) to hold one side of the board in the attic (2″ x 6″ – 10 feet long) and she really doesn’t have the arm strength to be doing this kind of work. She offered, I accepted. Big mistake.

    Anyway, my old wife is now suffering terribly from presbyopia (farsightedness). She bought some cheap ass looking things from who knows where (Dollar Store or something) several years ago that are these brown rimmed half glass things that sit on the tip of her nose, the kind we used to make fun of as kids. On top of that, somehow the wife busted one of the lens, which has this huge crack in it and didn’t bother to replace the glasses. This may be the only woman I’ve ever met that apparently has no vanity. We call them her Marion the Librarian look.

    Our attic is pretty nasty after 50 years. Mrs. Taylor comes up into the attic wearing her wool flowery pajama top, her cracked Marion glasses, and some banana colored bandanna around her skull that looks more like it she should be picking cotton. :lol: I was laughing so hard every time I looked over at her on the ladder, it was damn near impossible to attach the timber to the rafters.

    My baby daughter pulls up in the driveway about the time we are getting down and says, “Gosh mom, you look like you just got off the ship, then snaps a picture of mom with her cellphone.” ** GUFFAW **

    I had taken the time to buy a new sliding, compound miter so I could bevel and cut 56 degree angles to match the pitch of the roof. But because my wife really couldn’t hold the damn boards up high enough and I was starting to get mouthy, she threatened to quit in between giggles, so I just started inserting screws fast as I could. It looks like two drunks did the installation. Looks like shit. But I guess they serve their purpose. :neutral:

  • 229. PFesser  |  February 22, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    R – aging is an interesting phenom, isn’t it? After all, you’ve always been young when you get to old age, and so you don’t have anything to go by.

    I’ve applied for multiple radiology jobs (and turned down a few), but the decent ones aren’t looking for a man with experience; there are too many young hotshots coming out of residency. I actually had one recruiter tell me that they were “frankly looking for someone younger.” I could get him in a world of trouble I think, but WTF.

    I know what you mean about the BS. When I left my job, as a courtesy I went by the admin’s office to let him know before I tendered my resignation. His response? “Well, don’t be a stranger; come see us.” That was it. I had served on several committees and held his feet to the fire, instead of Yass-Suh!-ing his bullshit, and he didn’t like it. The hospital is currently not doing well, and I suspect they will do worse soon, if local anger over their treatment of their employees and doctors is any guide. I don’t believe in religion, but I believe in Karma – it WILL happen that their evil comes to haunt them. I go by every so often to tell my former employees how much I’m enjoying life, and they of course tell the admins. Living well is truly the best revenge.

    Fortunately our other businesses are doing OK; we don’t eat out much these days, but I love what I’m doing. It takes a particular kind of dullard to spend a whole career looking at black-and-white pictures and talking to himself.

    For Internet business, I don’t need a license of any kind – in any state – something very useful if the country shits the bed, which I think it will. We can run the whole operation from Thailand, and $100/month gets you a place to live and a whole lot of very personal service. Quoting that great sage, Johnny Cash, when they put the screws on me, I screw out from under them. LOL

  • 230. PFesser  |  February 22, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Tex – what does your roof support look like before and after the ties? Do you have trusses or just 2 X 8s with a ridge board? Are you adding a “collar beam” like this?

    http://extension.missouri.edu/p/GH5984

    The reason I ask is that you can actually screw up the strength if your extra support is not right. I got into that while building a barn several years back; I ended up using trusses, which worked just fine. Held estimated 60#/sq ft after a blizzard the next winter.

  • 231. Tex Taylor  |  February 22, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Pfesser, when I purchased the house back in ’92, the structural engineer told me that he considered the main gable to have the minimal structural support. It appears my house was intended to be a two story home, and for whatever reason, was stopped at one story (now about 2,500 sq ft.) – it has two false dormers. At every other rafter, a series of 1×4″ were attached.

    The rafters are 2×6 (8 pitch) connected to a ridgeboard with purlins at the half way point on each side of the rafters. We originally had a shake shingle roof which was changed to composition about 19 years ago, so there are a series of 1×4″ with 3/4″ plywood for the decking. Obviously, this added a consider amount of weight to the roof. I have noticed little compression over 20 years, with the exception of a few of the 1×4″s showing a slight bow. The roof line is basically straight.

    I asked the engineer what he would do to provide additional support, and he suggested additional ties (beams in your example) nearer the tip of the roof. The correct point would be 2/3 of the way up the rafter if I understand my structural engineering.

    I would have used trusses myself, but apparently was not a common building technique back in the early 60s, at least in my area.

    What was your concern? I’d be curious to know, because there appears to be some debate even amongst the engineers.

  • 232. poolman  |  February 22, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    I’ve done my damnedest to get on that hit list

    I could give you a few pointers and help you out, if you like. lol.

    As for the roof support, I’m actually surprised you could screw anything into those old rafters. Other than that, it sounds as if you made the easiest/best fix. Triangles are tough to beat for bearing strength.

  • 233. Rutherford  |  February 23, 2013 at 2:00 am

    Tex, just to be clear, I just take the calls, I don’t drive the truck.

    But your humorous conjecture about how I treat “pinkie” makes me wonder in reverse if you’re one of those insufferable in-a-hurry folks who keeps yelling in the phone “hey what’s taking you so long?” Since I’ve always pictured you as having 100 times more decorum in public life than you do behind your Internet self, I’m guessing you treat AAA agents with respect.

    Did I over estimate you?

    P.S. You’re one up on me … I don’t have pictures of Rabbit’s newest arrival but he did once honor me with pics of his wife and Bronson. Handsome family.

    P.P.S. DO get a job. My wife claims my demeanor has improved since starting mine, although I beg to differ.

  • 234. Rutherford  |  February 23, 2013 at 2:01 am

    Oh I’m sorry, I left something out of the previous comment.

    F*ck you Tex.

  • 235. Noah  |  February 23, 2013 at 2:24 am

    So R, I am curious to your take on my list of events. Do you see them as good or bad signs? Do you see them as a chain of events leading to something or are they unconnected and no big picture as I have claimed?

  • 236. Noah  |  February 23, 2013 at 4:21 am

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/22/white-house-benghazi-documents_n_2744980.html?ncid=webmail43

    Sure why not? They have had plenty of time to scrub the files to make a cohesive story that will fit their facts.

  • 238. James  |  February 23, 2013 at 10:40 am

    225, Rutherford, I have held that attitude since I came home from the service. I was polite about it, though. It made self employment a good choice for me.

    Yes, at 52, you are beginning to fall apart like an old car. My aunt died two weeks from a hundred, and she said she knew she was old, but she still felt 35.

    We own a three story century old Sears Roebuck house which my grandparents altered to look more like the house they owned in North Carolina.

    A beam on the foundation rotted and let two of the three supporting posts or our large open front porch settle down onto the foundation.

    We live in an isolated rural area and it is hard to find contractors. One man told us it would cost $20,000 to fix, but he would have to think about how to do the job. He had never done anything like it.After six months, we are still waiting to hear from him again.

    We put a salvaged power pole on the steps and used an ax to pound it under the roof to raise it to close to its normal hight. We put another post on cement blocks to raise that section of the porch roof. It looks stable until we can find someone work on it.

    Tex wrote that he will return when things get bad to rub it in. At last we have an up side to the deterioration implied by Noah’s list.

    My cousins in Tucson let native plants grow on their yard so they didn’t have to water it. The storm which gave us our eight inches of snow interrupted a golf tournament near Tuscon last week. Several inches of snow dumped on the golf course.

  • 239. Alfie  |  February 23, 2013 at 11:09 am

    I have been enamoured by Sear/Roebuck catalog houses since I took a class (years ago) about 19th 20 th Century Americana & commercialism. Kind of cool to “meet” someone that has one.
    That you still live in it is a great example of “they don’t build them like they used too”.

  • 240. Alfie  |  February 23, 2013 at 11:11 am

    @ Noah I am debating a dialog regards your points in 172 primarily because I doubt R has the time or inclination.

  • 241. poolman  |  February 23, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Wow. I never knew Sears and Roebuck made houses. I knew they were pushing siding and windows back in the day. They did have the old “Sears has everything” motto, I just never thought they were serious. Interesting.

    Speaking of interesting, anyone following that spontaneous human combustion victim in Oklahoma? That phenomenon always intrigued me. Maybe our criminal banksters will flame on. One can hope…

    Speaking of criminal banksters, what about Iran sentencing 4 of theirs to die for committing fraud? Awesome. I’m not one to support the death penalty, but at least they treat corruption with all seriousness. It sends a real strong message.

  • 242. Noah  |  February 23, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Alfie
    My points were more directed to my post here.

    http://noahwestmichigan.wordpress.com/2013/02/21/can-hope-and-change-really-transform-a-nation/

    R thought I was being chicken little..but offered no perspective at all why or what he saw instead per post 235’s question.

  • 243. PFesser  |  February 23, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Tex –

    Those new ties are no problem; they do two things: they allow the rafters to support each other in handling, say, a downward snow load, and in that case help reduce downward bowing of the rafters, but more importantly they tie the rafters together in case of an uplift, like in a tornado. Of course, nothing will withstand a direct hit by a twister, but in your type of construction, if there is an uplift, it will just spread the tops of the roof apart, because the nails into/across the ridge board will just pull out. They are loaded in tension in that case and just pull out of the wood.

    The cross-ties however have the nails loaded in shear if there is an uplift (or down), and they are the strongest that way, and should hold the roof together a lot better.

    I’m not sure what you mean by an 8 pitch; do you mean 8:12? If so, that’s pretty good, because 2X6s are a bit small to handle a side load with a more flat pitch, say 4:12, and they will bow. 8:12 may be steep enough to reduce bowing a whole lot. A lot depends on how wide the house is, how heavy the roof, and how much span the roof has to cover. Shorter is obviously better.

    If you are getting a lot of sag, you can do a hell of a lot by getting truss plates and using them to run some diagonals to the centers of the rafters.

    You can use the truss plates and some small nails to convert the trusses. The Queen truss is the easiest, but the Fink gives you room in the center. Notice they all have a support going to the center of the roof rafters, and effectively double its load-handling ability. I am actually a little concerned that the roof was originally designed for wooden shakes; they are VERY light compared to a plywood floor and roofing. If you re-do the roof, a lightweight metal one might be a consideration. A real structural engineer can calculate it out pretty easily for you.

    It may be too much trouble, but the cool springtime (now) is the best time to convert to the truss.

  • 244. PFesser  |  February 23, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Poolman – I lived in a Sears house for 18 years. The guy who built it owned a local hardware store and had it shipped in on a railroad car. All the wood had been pre-cut. You couldn’t slip a cigarette paper between any joint in the house, the angles were so perfect. It was a bit of a takeoff on this one:

    My neighbor down the street had the same house but had assembled it in a mirror-image; it was a little unsettling to see the two close together. LOL

  • 245. Tex Taylor  |  February 23, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    The lingo down here for rise over run or 8:12 is 8 pitch, 12 pitch…etc…Lazy, Okie talk. :smile: I forget I’m actually talking to an educated man and not some hack handyman.

    I’ve got a couple of gables 12:12, and as I understand it the steeper the slope the more susceptible to lift which makes obvious sense. But I could reach those myself and cut some 2×4″ I had cut to four feet, with made for easy cuts to since the angle 45 degrees, and even took a level to make them pretty. If I understand correctly, the appropriate attachment point is the top 1/3 of the rafter. Those, I attached to each set of rafters, rather than every other rafter which is what code calls for down here on 24″ centers. If I had two 12′ step ladders, I may have gone the truss rout. Problem I’ve got anymore is all my help buddies have gotten to the point that none of them need to be on a ladder anymore. My youngest good buddy just had a hip replacement at 53. Yikes. I would help his hip if he took off 50lbs.

    I originally started to take the 2×6″ and build a truss for each rafter, but since most of the attic unfloored and at varying heights, plus the ridge over 14′ off the attic floor ground, I was looking for something more simple to construct. This is simply for peace of mind.

    No doubt this composite roof far heavier. And I told you wrong. The plywood laid over the original 1×4″ is 1/2″, not 3/4″. I checked after I saw your response. Thank you, by the way.

  • 246. Tex Taylor  |  February 23, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    route…

  • 247. Huck  |  February 23, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Reading the current discussion makes me remember how much I DON’T miss framing and roofing every day for a living. Of course, the hangovers didn’t help that any.

    Oh, to be young again….

  • 248. Tex Taylor  |  February 23, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Reading the current discussion makes me remember how much I DON’T miss framing and roofing every day for a living

    You got that right, Huck. Even standing on my 34 degree inclined roof, my legs start quivering after five or ten minutes. And I’ve tried on the 45 degree incline and had to build a make shift ladder attached to the roof just to stand upright.

    I probably have no business being on top of my roof anymore, because it is a long way down and I had a few cases of vertigo the past five years.

  • 249. James  |  February 23, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    We like our Sears house. My grandparents moved to the farm from North Carolina in 1910 after my great uncle died in a bicycle accident. He was here to plow virgin prairie on contract, and the family pressured my grand parents to move here and honor the contracts.

    They bought a 1909 model on discount and as noted, the parts arrived by railroad.They remodeled parts of the house, but I recognized it by the plans on line. The house rests on a five foot foundation to avoid internal flooding.

    Sometime in the twenties, the family bought a gas plant and used it to provide indoor lights. Several of the old fixtures and the pipes remain inside, and the gas plant stands near our grainary-garage.

    Our dining room table is what my father used as a desk when he was the township assessor. it was old when he bought it at a rummage sale . We also have a piano which appeared in a 1890’s photo with two ferns and my great grand parents photos resting on top. We also have the pictures.

    I heard about the spontaneous human combustion case. Very interesting. When I was in high school, I bought a book called “Stranger than Science. The author mentioned several examples.

    I have only shingled our house and buildings.

  • 250. Noah  |  February 23, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Wow..Class Dismissed! My favorite video of the year so far.

  • 251. Noah  |  February 23, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Good stuff today.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/things-democrats-would-have-freaked-out-about-if-bush-had-do

  • 252. Alfie  |  February 23, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    On a political note I would be curious to know what the take of the group is on the Medicaid expansion stories is.
    I find it to be pretty f@#$ed up myself. The articles one reads about GOP governors rolling or being hypocrites or just accepting the expansion all miss a key point.
    The GOP gov’s (Brewer,Scott,Kasich to name a few) are all lying their asses off to make political points in the game of emotion politics. I hear and see their prattle on morality and citizens and I vomit.
    I think if Obama has any real legacy it will be that he more so than Clinton or any other POTUS has ramped up the feelings /populism/ignorance quotient. Cementing the shriveled public teat into the mouths of the ignorant masses isn’t good policy and will surely wreak havoc on the nation.

    The three years of 100% federal $ is replaced with 80-95% coverage depending on who you read. The thing is this has no grounding in the reality that it is: a) money we don’t have. b) money that isn’t likely to be “found” anywhere or anytime soon. and c) will not NOT NOT solve the ongoing cost increases and availability as well as touching upon how the masses access the healthcare system anyway.

    Thoughts?

  • 253. Alfie  |  February 23, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    On the international front no matter who’s school you sit in,be it mine,Huck’s,Poolman or Noah you have just got to be wondering how much longer the M.E. is going to last.
    Syria is causing trouble for Lebanon who has an election coming.
    Russia is still playing all sides in the region.
    Any number of Syrian factions are voicing dismay at America.
    The Israel-Iran saga has some new tweaks with new scimitar rattling as well as positive messages coming out of Tehran and multiple path hints coming out of Tel Aviv (or Jerusalem depending again…)

  • 254. PFesser  |  February 23, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Tex – re 8:12. I think calling it 8 pitch is real carpenter lingo; I just do math, I’m not much of a carpenter. LOL It sounds like you are pretty much OK. With the steep pitch and the cross-ties – and a long history of no sagging – I don’t know if I’d do any more.

    James: Did you say you had a gas plant? Was it one of those acetylene plants that you filled with calcium carbide and then dripped water in? I have only seen one other in my life; it was in a cousin’s old farmhouse from the turn of the (last) century. This was before rural electrification; they had the only lights in the valley!

    We used carbide miner’s lights to coon hunt when I was a teenager; they work on the same principle; I still have mine. Blast from the past…us kids used to get cans with lids that jammed on, like paint cans, and spit on a grain of carbide, throw it in and then hold a match to a little touch-hole we had punched in the side. It would ignite the acetylene gas in the can and blow the lid twenty feet, with an accompanying BANG! and belch of fire. You’d go to jail for doing that today. Damned nanny state.

  • 255. Alfie  |  February 23, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    @ James 249….I enjoyed this comment but in all seriousness when I read it all I could think of initially was how newt would crap all over it.

  • 256. PFesser  |  February 23, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Alfie @ 252: I have been really interested in Eisenhower lately. His take on gub’ment – at least to my eye – is that it really does have a role to play in benefiting the people, but that any program must be first and foremost cost-effective. (i.e. the Interstate system). He also understood that the average guy could be fooled by false promises of a “chicken in every pot” and that it was incumbent upon the government to be forthright and honest – to have integrity – and never to promote popular things that were, in the end, not to the people’s benefit. (The first things to mind are the state lotteries – wildly popular, but in the end nothing but a very regressive tax on poor people. Obamacare, expanding Medicaid, etc. also come to mind as something that he would NEVER do.) There is absolutely no Integrity in the US government, no sense of fiduciary responsibility, no sense of being a caretaker of Other People’s Money.

    Alfie, I honestly believe that we are headed for the most awful period in our country’s history. I’m not a doomsayer, but I get several investment newsletters, and the smart money is all saying, get out. Invest in Canada, Australia, Brazil, but not in America. The unbridled money-printing is going to debase our currency, and as the Left’s darling, Mr. Keynes, said:

    “By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose.”

    I see no way out of it now. We are on the Hellbound Train, with the Death’s head at the throttle, and “To Hell With It Then.”

  • 257. Huck  |  February 23, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    “On the international front no matter who’s school you sit in,be it mine,Huck’s,Poolman or Noah you have just got to be wondering how much longer the M.E. is going to last.”

    What can ya do? Britain and France’s post-Ottoman creation had a good run.

    On a similar note…the Free Syrian Army is about this [ ] close to going to war against Hezbollah. Shit’s about to get real….

    Also, I took part in a Q&A session with the PLO ambassador to the US last week. Naturally, he didn’t say anything that would surprise anyone here. But, from a diplomatic perspective, the ways in which he did…and didn’t…say things was quite interesting. I’ll be meeting the L.A.-based Consul-General of Turkey in a couple weeks. That should be equally interesting.

  • 258. Alfie  |  February 23, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    I like Ike and I’ve seen a number of things that suggest investments out of the USA. I especially have seen things that suggest the big players will look away fron America for investments even in light of potential fire sale pricing.
    I want to stress the point you made with

    He also understood that the average guy could be fooled by false promises of a “chicken in every pot” and that it was incumbent upon the government to be forthright and honest – to have integrity – and never to promote popular things that were, in the end, not to the people’s benefit. (The first things to mind are the state lotteries – wildly popular, but in the end nothing but a very regressive tax on poor people

    I just finished an article about how Walmart and other entities that serve the lower classes are fretting the coming economic storm,and nobody in govt. seems to care. Just a few years ago every libbie and O bot was all about the paycheck tax thing.( A lie & shameless offsetting of SS collections) Well that is ALL gone now. The folks looking at paycheck crush from tax,inflation,and rising gas costs???? That’s some shit the current crop of cowards don’t want to talk about.

  • 259. Alfie  |  February 23, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    On a similar note…the Free Syrian Army is about this [ ] close to going to war against Hezbollah. Shit’s about to get real….

    That squares with what I’ve heard about renewed frictions in Lebanon.
    If you can please share what you can on your next meet. I really like Turkey.

  • 260. Alfie  |  February 23, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    On a weird note as I close the week on having my right of center credentials pulled…
    I for one haven’t had an Ann Coulter position and have been proud of that….alas I have to side with those that say she’s a dumbass who should STFU. Iraq yes Afghanistan no,libertarians are pussies? Repeat…STFU!!

  • 261. Huck  |  February 24, 2013 at 12:31 am

    Alfie, if you have a particular question regarding Turkey I could probably squeeze one in on your behalf.

  • 262. Rutherford  |  February 24, 2013 at 2:00 am

    Yes, at 52, you are beginning to fall apart like an old car

    LOL yes I’m afraid it’s true.

    Regarding Alfie’s comment earlier — Noah I really don’t lack the inclination but Alfie is right that I am short on time. If I keep up with my ambitions I will chat here a bit on Tuesday (and perhaps write a new piece) since that is my next day off.

  • 263. Noah  |  February 24, 2013 at 3:09 am

    More than happy to wait on a response on that topic. Like I said, if there is a bright side to my narrative, I am happy to entertain it.

  • 264. Noah  |  February 24, 2013 at 6:10 am

    Let me get this straight: if I need a home-health aid and I choose to NOT hire a convicted felon who also happens to be of Mexican descent, there is now a chance I may face charges of discrimination from the EEOC. BUT if that same person is white, I won’t have to worry about it? Tell me that isn’t racist!

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/23/new-fed-guidelines-spark-biz-concerns-about-using-background-check-applicants/

  • 266. PFesser  |  February 24, 2013 at 9:34 am

    R – even tho’ your comments are rarer now, I think I can speak for everybody in offering you congratulations on bringing in some additional capital to your family. You – and all of us – will need every resource we have.

    I mean this sincerely: batten down the hatches; God help us all in the coming years.

    Know this: there are two things that this government fears – yes, fears. An armed citizenry and a free Internet. The first has been discussed to death on these pages. But it is a Free Internet that truly frightens them, for it allows the complete and instant exposure of the government’s incompetence, malice and complete disregard for the Constitution and, even more threatening, the dissemination of ideas about how it can be fixed and our lovely country reclaimed from these feckless bureaucrats. I would urge to all that, when you get an email about these continuous attempts to “curb Internet abuses” and things like the “government on-off switch” on the Internet that you pull together every resource you have to fight it. In the coming years you will be either very happy or very sad, depending on how that battle turns out. If they get control of the Internet, think 1984 – squared. Rant over.

    R – A little OT: you have used the phrase, “complex man” several times on this blog; I am reading “American Sphinx” – about T. Jefferson. Sometimes the book not very complimentary, but always it brings out his Sphinx-like characteristics: solitary, self-contained, eschewing public life, and always drawn to his Mountain, Monticello, where he studied incessantly – drawing his very complex and sometimes seemingly-contradictory philosophies from those of the Great Men of the past.

    I haven’t made my pilgrimage to The Mountain yet this year to ask him for his blessing and help; it’s already nearly March. Time to go.

  • 267. PFesser  |  February 24, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Anybody remember the first paragraphs of The War of the Worlds?

    “Yet across the gulf of space,……………., intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us. And early in the twentieth century came the great disillusionment.”

    Those cool and unsympathetic creatures live in Washington, DC – and it our First Amendment they envy. They are drawing their plans. For our protection, of course.

    “I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.” – Jefferson

  • 268. James  |  February 24, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Rutherford, I remember an old song, “Old Pappy Time is picking my pocket, stealing constantly.”

    Thanks Alfie. If Newt, who is probably in Southeast Asia now singles me out over my Sears Roebuck house story, I will flood her with a lot of other stories just to irritate her.

    My wife and I attended a political forum yesterday where our state representatives spoke. I cited Paul Krugman to support Sarah Palin’s Death Panels No one, not even liberal Democrats contradicted me.

    The general consesus repeated by a local hospital administrator is that the health care system has always rationed health care, and the influx of more people thanks to demographics and Obamacare will deny many more of us of more than a minimum of care in the future. Doctors will as they do in England and several other countries put the very sick on the road to death.

    Our primary care providers will be nurse-practitioners.

    Iowa plans to accept the Obamacare expansion with government aided exchanges, but others said it is only a temporary help, as you noted. With in a few years the states will have to pay all of most of the expenses which will be hard since most are legally forced to have balanced budgets.

    Already in one Iowa aid program, not related to Obama care patients have been denied permission to see their regular doctors. One woman who spoke said they were ordered to see someone two hundred miles from home. She offered to pay for the visit to her own doctor, but he request was denied. She left the program and then she cold pay for and choose her own doctor. Someone mused that once Obamacare crowds out other options, that woman’s situation may be in all of our futures.

    An economics professor said the safest commodities to fight inflation are land and precious metals, but both are being inflated by bubbles which may burst. He advised everyone to put their assets in a suit case and to be ready to travel.

    Our representatives bragged about how they have improved our local economy after taking the House and Governor from the Democrats. Iowa now has a large surplus the disposition of which leglislators are debating Democrats want to start new programs with the money.

    I agree wih Pfessor.

  • 269. Alfie  |  February 24, 2013 at 10:46 am

    @ huck 261 I think I can be satisfied with anything you get that makes you think “interesting”. I should say why I like Turkey just so you know the areas I find interesting. In no particular order:
    Trade especially joint ventures like Ford has regards the Transit Connect.
    Regional stability and “bridging” I believe they’re trying and are an important player.
    Growing angst over Iran,I think this feeds into the second one and I hope Tehran knows they shouldn’t pull Ankarra’s chain. I don’t think I’ve misread Turkeys distaste at getting its chain pulled.
    Secularism in the face of Islamists.
    If you get something but find it easier to email me feel free via the contact page @ my blog.

  • 270. James  |  February 24, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Alfie, maybe the numerous Turkish fan videos for One Direction and Justin Bieber supports your opinion in a small way. The mostly girls look and act like European or Americans. They reveal a cultural affinity for the West, in my opinion.

  • 271. Alfie  |  February 24, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    I think Turkey is kind of at a crossroads. If I were to build a metaphor they are like the new kid in school who is confronted with two groups to hang out with. Either choice dictates a cascade of events that are quite possibly irreversible.
    So along those lines Turkey has equal parts affinity to look West and to be the bridge builder. On the other hand the EU’s attitude towards them may very well nudge Ankarra towards elements such as the evolving SCO and to reengage the neighboring ‘stans. Either way the Turkish economy and regional hegemony grows. The choice is as much ours as theirs and I fear we will not choose wisely.

  • 272. Alfie  |  February 24, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Not for nothing but this relates to a degree with the chat PF and I were on earlier.

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/02/apple-walmart-and-the-payroll-tax.html

    That is from George Packer and although I doubt he meant it as such exemplifies the left-elite skewed view on the economy. IMO it isn’t total propaganda and has something additive to the warning bells we should be tuning into but I can’t stress enough that the disconnect is obvious.

  • 273. Huck  |  February 24, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    “Alfie, maybe the numerous Turkish fan videos for One Direction and Justin Bieber supports your opinion in a small way. The mostly girls look and act like European or Americans. They reveal a cultural affinity for the West, in my opinion.”

    I recently learned that there is a thriving Turkish heavy metal scene.

  • 274. Noah  |  February 24, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Really?

    No..really?

  • 275. Noah  |  February 24, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Below are the criteria for the status of a “high value detainee”, as proposed by McCain’s bill (S. 3081). Pause, and give an extra second’s consideration to the last criterion especially:

    “(A) The potential threat the individual poses for an attack on civilians or civilian facilities within the United States or upon United States citizens or United States civilian facilities abroad at the time of capture or when coming under the custody or control of the United States.

    (B) The potential threat the individual poses to United States military personnel or United States military facilities at the time of capture or when coming under the custody or control of the United States.

    (C) The potential intelligence value of the individual.

    (D) Membership in al Qaeda or in a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda.

    (E) Such other matters as the President considers appropriate.”

    Such other matters as the President considers appropriate? What could that include? Why, practically anything at all.

  • 276. Alfie  |  February 24, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    @275 I am curious why the rehash of the 3081???

  • 277. Noah  |  February 24, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    If I posted that content before or if someone else did and I missed it I apologize.

  • 278. Alfie  |  February 24, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    No apologies needed and my question is one of curiosity as opposed to staging some gotcha moment. The bill to my knowledge has never left committee since its introduction in 2010. The bill was much talked about here previously before your time so again no apologies.
    So in follow up are you of the belief that it is somehow in effect by proxy today? I think you could have a case that the government has indeed allowed chunks of it to be true.

  • 279. poolman  |  February 24, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    This site has been doing well to inform of the rising inequality in our economy today and the reasons for it:

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/02/economic-leaders-pay-lip-service-to-decreasing-inequality-while-pushing-policies-which-increase-it.html

    This article and the one posted before it well dissect the problem. Business HAS changed over the years and the way they treat their personnel is a very big part of that change. The other shift is the way government treats business. Corporations are not only given personhood status, but preferential treatment under our government – no matter if the owners are foreign OR domestic. It is wrong.

    Most people will do anything today to keep a job, especially if it includes other benefits they do not want to give up. Often this attitude helps to enable any unjust practices to continue unchallenged. If more folks had a ‘give me liberty or give me death’ attitude, we would not be as far down the crapper as we find ourselves today.

    It has already been proved time and again that we cannot fix Washington. Some have tried, but without the public’s support behind them, have failed and been trampled underfoot. We have seen that the media today is no longer a deterrent or ‘check’ on what our government is doing. Some of its people have come out and warned us. What began as a noble system has now strayed too much to right, especially since there is no desire within government to right itself. There is no integrity in our leadership anymore. Our ‘public servants’ are busy lining their own coffers and helping their buddies line theirs, all at our expense and at the cost of our future. Gone are the days of sacrifice for the betterment of the next generations.

    Lord, I pray they all repent of their evil intentions or spontaneously combust. We need a real game changer, and soon.

  • 280. Noah  |  February 24, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Alfie
    I think this has been taken and piece by piece implemented/integrated in other legislation that is in place today.

  • 281. James  |  February 24, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    Interesting Huck.Heavy metal in Turkey is new to me.The internet and other media are accelerating the evolution of an underground culture. I assume such music is more popular in urban than rural areas.

    Danica Patrick made history today.

    An Omaha television station reported that some school districts are considering reducing teachers’ hours because of the constraints of Obama care.

    Don’t hold your breath Poolman. No game changer will come unless Republicans win big two years from now. Even that may not happen, because so many ignorant people haven’t a clue.

  • 282. Huck  |  February 24, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    James, what is really funny is that I got turned on to the Turkish Heavy Metal scene by a 50+ year old Turkish coffee dealer, who proudly regards himself as a “neo-Ottoman.”

    It takes all kinds….

  • 283. poolman  |  February 24, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    James, I know better than to hold my breath, even though I can hold it longer than anyone else I know. I also have zero faith in the republican party (or any party for that matter) and cannot see where they will provide any better results than what we are getting now.

    I am a man currently without a party, and really without a nation, since the America I knew has ‘left the building’. It is a shame. I want to be loyal, but I can no longer give my loyalty to such an evil and corrupt institution. I hate enabling it in any way.

    “All I hear is burn!”

    Spontaneous human combustion has always intrigued me. There are some 200 documented cases. The most recent happened about a hundred miles from our buddy Tex. If I lived that close, I’d be all over it. I await anxiously for the autopsy report that should be complete this week. I think we will see an increase of these occurrences. Kind of gives new meaning to ‘fire in my belly”. lol.

  • 284. dead rabbit  |  February 24, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    I used to go to a bar deep into Detroit where the old Greek owner, after taking a liking to me, gave me a free drink every time I cursed the Turks. I’d go there every time I couldn’t get anyone to join me for Tigers games when I owned season tix. Half the time I’d watch the game at that bar. He actually fought the British on Cypress back in the day. I have no idea how the guy was still in business. It would be me and maybe 3 Hellenistic motherfuckers, all over 70, at that dive. That’s it.

    I’m going on a political sabbatical for a while. Just don’t feel like talking about it. Don’t feel like talking much about anything, online.

    I’m off to Planet Phrom, bitchezz.

  • 285. Tex Taylor  |  February 25, 2013 at 10:05 am

    I don’t want to get back in the bad habit of being here every day, but I must say something to Rutherford.

    Rutherford, I believe I know you well enough to know that there was a time many years in high school where I bet you would have been like me and hated the shallowness and phoniness of those high school cliques. I’m almost sure of it and believe you would have been smart enough to recognize it, being I can’t hardly believe you were a part of it. Probably just an observer of it like me.

    To demonstrate how low I believe your standards have sunk as adult, do you recognize that what we really have now is a high school clique running this country with the head cheerleader Shelly Obama and the Student Council President, Barack Obama?

    Let me explain. Last night since my baby daughter was home, she wanted to watch the Academy Awards. Youngest daughter is the different one in the family – she’s into art, dance, ballet, acting, etc…Mom and Dad don’t see her much anymore as she’s all grown up, so we wanted to spend as much time with her as possible and did the obligatory watch – as much as we could stomach.

    Now I admit I absolutely loathe these award shows – except for going to eat, I watched these dullards for the last two hours. And just as I was thinking this couldn’t be any more dull except for Adele and Shirley Bassey singing Goldfinger, up pops Michelle Obama. At first, this phony and cloying hag’s appearance made me angry. You can’t get away from these two anymore – they’re even including themselves in the Super Bowl and NCAA basketball tournaments, and surely they’ve got to know that half the country loathes them. The Obamas are either so vain they either don’t care, or so egotistical they don’t know. Doesn’t matter.

    Then it occurred to me with Shelly Antoinette handing out the Best Picture Award to pretentious Hollywood always groveling to market their latest pet cause:

    Fake royalty handing out awards to fake royalty. This represents the shallowness of you Leftists, your cause and your party better than anything I can post here.

    The Obamas are not serious people. America is in serious trouble and the Obamas pretend to be involved in solving very serious problems – but they really aren’t. They’re not qualified to do so and even a small ‘c’ Communist like you surely has to recognize this.

    But this is what you have become as an adult, Rutherford. A groupie to the national high school clique. I hope you do realize that there will come a time not to many days from now, where the best your own daughter might hope for is to become dispatcher for Triple AAA. Not because she’s not talented or educated, but because the America you knew will no longer exist, partially due to the fact when we needed real leadership the most, it was no where to be found in Washington D.C.. That will be the lasting legacy of Barack Obama.

  • 286. Tex Taylor  |  February 25, 2013 at 10:09 am

    too many days

  • 287. James  |  February 25, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Poolman, I’m not telling you how to think, but here my view. My brother said roughly what you wrote, and he hoped for a third party maybe with Tea Party values.

    I told him it won’t happen, and the record of third parties is bleak. The Republican’s emergence was a fluke of timing.

    I agree, Republicans as a whole are almost Democratic lite. They wimp out and many like big government as much as LBJ did. They lie too.

    Consider the Democrats. They proved they care more about their political futures than our troops. The “Slow Bleed” illustrates how Democrats were willing to let our soldiers and Iraqis die because their deaths helped the party.

    Bengazi is another example of the world view our cold blooded would be tyrants try to hide with help from the liberal press.

    Now, we face a sequester which the Obama administration suggested. Barack, not Republicans wanted most of the reduced funding to affect the military. Again, Barry illustrated the mostly secret hatred progressives have held for our military since the sixties. He is positioning voters to the point they will say “oh my god! The Republicans will wreck our country!”

    The Progressives don’t care any more about civilians than they do for our soldiers,. Barry wants to inflict as much pain as possible so he can blame the Republicans and destroy them as an opposing political force. That will leave the crypto- socialists free to change our political, economic and legal system beyond repair.

    LBJ said Civil Rights law would let Democrats own Ns for generations. Obama is even more ambitious.

    Unlike most Republicans, Obama is a documented socialist, and many of his allies display the same traits. They were a major cause of our recession though they and the press blamed it on Republicans and big business.

    We can either become so cynical we drop out as Democrats hope, or we can fight as the British did before the US entered WW!!. Thus, I no longer vote for Democrats, because they give the president votes. Maybe if some are more like former Republicans than Republicans I might reconsider, but not now.

    I believe Republicans, corrupt but they represent our only hope of preserving the country we used to know. We face the equivalent of a woman who must choose to keep abort her unborn baby so she can undergo chemotherapy to save herself from cancer or let the baby be born while the delayed treatment further endangers her.

    We have few good choices, but we can still choose.

    I am beginning to think the queen bee status of the Obama family is by design…

  • 288. Rutherford  |  February 25, 2013 at 11:13 am

    A great quote about empathy:

    When you see a man led to prison say in your heart, “Mayhap he is escaping from a narrower prison.” And when you see a man drunken say in your heart, “Mayhap he sought escape from something still more unbeautiful.” -Kahlil Gibran, poet and artist (1883-1931)

    When I was a teenager I read a book I think called “Sand and Foam” by Gibran. Dude can say some really deep stuff.

  • 289. James  |  February 25, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    That was good, Rutherford. You quoted what I was trying to say. I need to read that book.

  • 290. poolman  |  February 25, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    James, republicans only look good now because they are not in charge. It is the same way democrats looked good when Bush was POTUS. I see them as two sides of the very same coin. Really the differences are only perceived, for the most part. The founding fathers warned us of this diversionary tactic. Can you count how many have switched teams in our lifetimes? They have to appear separate but equal.

    We are indoctrinated to believe in 2 competing sides. It follows similarly to our affinity of team sports. We all want to be on a winning team. We all think changing the coaching staff will make all the difference. It has not worked for us. More often the big money wins. Ask the Yankees.

    I am disgusted with our politicians as I am with our worship of sports and celebrity. I did not watch the Academy Awards as Tex and countless others did. But I can sympathize with his disgust. It has been said by others that we are the Roman Empire again just before it fell. I agree. The similarities are real. All we are missing is the human candles. So far.

    All our mighty institutions are in a self-destruct mode, it seems. The internal corruption is eating away at our core. One only needs to look at them critically to see the rot. Can we count any out?

    The Pope says God told him to step down. I cannot dispute that. God tells me to do certain things from time to time. But look what he is stepping down from. What a mess. It would certainly be harder for him to stay on as Pope. When I hear from God it is generally to do the hard and uncomfortable thing. I am not familiar with anyone called by God to live an easy life. Not in this realm, anyway. And we are mostly familiar with the story of Jonah, who chose to go in the other direction when God called.

    I don’t see a third party gaining any momentum in America. The wealthy who profit from a two party system pay plenty to keep it that way. Face it, money rules this land and that will not change by putting any one of its two faces in charge. The game is rigged. I don’t want to play in a rigged game. I don’t want to contribute to the power of evil, no matter what the flavor of the day.

  • 291. Tex Taylor  |  February 25, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Work at home saves money and helps work life balance. Yahoo’s Marissa Mayer is herself a yahoo. ~ R.L. Twit, I mean Tweet

    You must not speak that way of one of Obama’s most successful campaign bundlers, Ms. Mayer. And yes, I’ll save you the trouble, leader of the band. That’s a fact.

    Frankly, since Yahoo was one of the most vile, mendacious and rank propagandists during the 2012 Presidential Election for Obama, I don’t want the company firing people. I want the whole shebang to fold.

    Then, they (Yahoo employees) can all sniff the ass of the Obamas and join the ranks of the unemployed, eating of the scraps our POS President chooses to leave them.

    That’s called poetic justice. Let them eat cake. :wink:

  • 292. James  |  February 25, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Its a matter of degree, Poolman. The recent Democratic record is worse than the Republicans’.

    Regard local regions. Most of the big cities which are in trouble are run by Democrats .Both parties may be taking us down the road to perdition, but Democrats have greased the skids.

    We need more poetic justice.

    Right now, it is me for me to ski.

  • 293. Alfie  |  February 25, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    The ruling will undoubtedly make the rounds in right wing circles and in many crazy ways but specifically this part of the new regulation:

    Some students may feel uncomfortable with a transgender student using the same sex-segregated restroom, locker room or changing facility. This discomfort is not a reason to deny access to the transgender student. School administrators and counseling staff should work with students to address the discomfort and to foster understanding of gender identity, to create a school culture that respects and values all students.

    Seems a little too far,too liberal,too crazy even for the Bay State. Seriously where do we draw the lines? Aren’t lines a good idea sometimes?

  • 294. Huck  |  February 25, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    I had a post-op transgender individual on my editorial team last year. As if that wasn’t weird enough by itself, I had known “her” when “she” was a “he”. Just remembering which pronoun to use became a challenge.

  • 295. Tex Taylor  |  February 25, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    Same here, Huck. I “worked with” (not “on”) David, who is now Natalie while I was in I.T. in my first job. True story. I understand Natalie thankfully moved out to California to haunt you guys. Strangest person I think I’ve ever met. And that was before the surgery and the hormones. She must be a real monster now. :lol:

    Worse, this flake had a full beard and was incredibly hairy. I can’t even imagine. There’s a world out there that I’m not a part.

  • 296. poolman  |  February 25, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    re 292… James, I think it a case of ‘the grass is always greener…

    http://money.msn.com/investing/best-and-worst-run-us-cities

    According to this recent information, the five worse cities are:

    1) San Bernardino CA with a Democrat mayor
    2) Miami Fla with an Independent
    3) Stockton Ca with a Republican
    4) Detroit Mich with a Democrat
    5) Hialeah Fla with a Republican

    That is a tie.

    The five best:

    1) Plano Tx with a Republican
    2) Madison Wis with a Democrat
    3) Irvine Ca with a Republican
    4) Lincoln Neb with a Democrat
    5) Fremont Ca with a Democrat

    3/2 Dem over Rep

  • 297. Huck  |  February 25, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    “Worse, this flake had a full beard and was incredibly hairy.”

    YES! My experience was the same. And you could still see the razor stubble!

  • 298. Tex Taylor  |  February 25, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    That’s Microsoft listing those ratings, Poolman. Hardly an unbiased poll.

    I could ask you a question in return. Short of a college town like Austin, Lincoln or Madison which are prosperous because of the built in advantages that a college town has through the university and huge influx of student funding, give me an example of well run town of any significant sized governed by a Democrat.

    Just one.

    Even the data is skewed in the Money response. What you have listed there for Republicans are just rich suburbs of metropolitan areas like Dallas and LA that have expanded out in previous years to escape Dallas and LA. The cities of proper Dallas and LA are third world, but the data includes the surrounding communities too. Plano is beautiful – Dallas is the ghetto. Irvine is Orange County; LA, half the car wrecks are reported hit and runs and crime ridden.

    For instance, the mayoral capacity of Houston and San Antonio is Democratic – but are so poorly managed, that townships were formed like The Woodlands that are overwhelmingly Republican and beautiful. And Exxon Mobil just moved their headquarters to The Woodlands.

  • 299. Tex Taylor  |  February 25, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    And isn’t it interesting that Obama, who let people die in an Islamist takeover in Benghazi, had his wife present an award for a movie about rescuing people from an Islamist takeover in Iran. ~ Ann Althouse

    Good observation, but interesting isn’t the word I would use to describe Michelle and Barack Obama using the military they loathe with a military that loathes them as props for Shelly’s glamor standup to hand out an award to the most pretentious people on earth.

    This couple is obviously without class, taste, sense, shame, or even the perception of decorum.

    This is what you get when you have entitled narcissists stroked by a fawning, entitled and corrupted media and entertainment – hedonism pure and simple.

  • 300. poolman  |  February 25, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Tex, actually the report was put out by 24/7 Wall Street, an AOL affiliated company. Time/Warner owns it. Do they own Microsoft anymore? I can’t keep up with all the mergers. But you’re right, hardly unbiased. The criteria was the 100 largest cities in the US based on population, so yeah, our urban centers are growing as the rural areas die out. I don’t know any offhand that are run by either party that I could cite as ideal. Often the city government officials deviate from the national party platform.

    My brother lives in Plano and I told him the good news and he said, “Really? Who says?” I guess it is a matter of perspective. As you know, data can be used and abused to show virtually anything.

    I did find it interesting that Fremont Ca is home of plenty of Afghanis that have relocated to the US.

    Interesting info regarding Exxon. The Woodlands are nice. I recently watched a show on cable I did enjoy, history detective (or something to that effect), that pointed out their logo includes the Knights Templar double cross. The topic of the show was the discovery in 1924 of vast buried evidence of the Knights Templar being in Tucson around 800 AD. Of course if true, this means all our history books are wrong. Not surprised…

  • 301. James  |  February 25, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Poolman. Our son and daughter- in law live in San Jose, and a college friend and his wife reside in Stockton, so we know a little about the region. Ann Johnson presided over the bankruptcy, and her government bore some of the responsibility for the decline.

    If she wasn’t a Democrat, she behaved like one. Anthony Silva is newly elected. If he is a Republican, it is misleading to associate his Republican party affiliation with a mismanaged city when his predecessor bears responsibility.

    Iowa under Governor Vilsack and a Democratically controlled legislature was sliding into debt, and inventing more programs which threatened to suck even more tax money from the budget. Iowa was comparatively well-off, but the state faced potential problems.

    Terry Branstad a Republican, became Governor, and Republicans won the House. Now, Iowa has a surplus. If Silva is able to keep his promises, Stockton under a new government will follow states like Iowa into better economic health.

    Thanks, Tex.

  • 302. Huck  |  February 25, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    I wonder which Obama donor will get named as US Ambassador to Kyrzakhstan. Now those are some confirmation hearings I would be interested in seeing!

  • 303. Tex Taylor  |  February 25, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    I wonder which Obama donor will get named as US Ambassador to Kyrzakhstan.

    It should be our First Lady, Patrick Ewing, assigned to Kyrzakhstan. :twisted:

    Fricking Kerry. How could it be possible men of such limited capacity as Barack Obama, John Kerry and the village idiot apprentice Joe Biden rise to positions of authority without an equally stupid country?

    In other place, it could actually make an award winning comedy.

  • 304. Noah  |  February 25, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    I heard across our airwaves today that Detroit and Flint made #1 and #2 worst cities in the nation, and Warren came in at #7. Time to leave Mi.

    “Poolman, I’m not telling you how to think, but here my view. My brother said roughly what you wrote, and he hoped for a third party maybe with Tea Party values.

    I told him it won’t happen, and the record of third parties is bleak. The Republican’s emergence was a fluke of timing. ”

    One of the few times I find myself in complete disagreement with you James. The Tea Party showed us what we the people can accomplish without so much as a shot fired, no murder, no rape.

    I might go so far as to say that this country probably wont allow a 3 party system. That said I think it will end with the fall of the Republican party as its members abandon them as they make self preservation a priority over the needs of this nation.

    As 2016 approaches I believe we will see a reemergence of the Tea Party and it will be even more effective than it was in its previous incarnation. Unlike Liberals, the Tea Party holds their leaders accountable and is more than happy to get rid of those who pander to the left.

    If you think the Republicans were obstructionist before, I think what will reemerge will be nothing less than revolutionary. A lot of us out here believe that nothing short of a radical shift will save us from the path Liberals have us on now.

  • 305. Noah  |  February 25, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    “How could it be possible men of such limited capacity as Barack Obama, John Kerry and the village idiot apprentice Joe Biden rise to positions of authority without an equally stupid country?”

    And there you have the $64 million dollar question.

  • 306. poolman  |  February 25, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    I’m beginning to think we are living in some alternate universe. I’m not certain when the shift took place. Nine eleven seems the obvious moment, but it may have been prior to that event. I’ve been studying some string theory and apparently according to that theory it is possible.

    Like the Newtown event. It is so crazy and so obviously staged. I meant to get back to Newt on the result of my email inquiry regarding the death date for Adam Lanza. They actually did change it to reflect news reportings. I think most Americans have moved on, though the event is being used over and again by our puppet masters.

    These guys at this site have done some good forensics and have been keeping a good tally of the many anomalies…

    http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/newtown-clerk-refuses-to-issue-sandy-hook-victims-death-certificates/

  • 307. Noah  |  February 25, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    One piece of advice I have taken from my favorite college prof was to buy and collect old history books. Today I went out and purchased a 2nd book shelf as my first threatens to collapse under the weight of what I have collected so far. I was fortunate enough to have two History profs and one Anthropology prof retire in my last 2 years of school and they put their collections up for grabs to students. I have quite a collection of 1950’s-mid 1980’s books. I look forward to one day comparing these text to the ones my children bring home from school.

  • 308. poolman  |  February 25, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    Oh I hope these Fiore videos will embed again. If not, follow the link to youtube. If we don’t laugh we’ll cry…

  • 309. Just a Lurker  |  February 25, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Poolman –

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

  • 310. poolman  |  February 25, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Just a Lurker, I already had seen that snopes link, even though they added more to it since I was there last. It doesn’t address the same issues the site I linked brings up. They actually did computer forensics proving several web pages about the event were built well before the incident occurred.

    With this event there was plenty of disinformation being spread. Most of us figure it was intentionally leaked and put out there to confuse and cause chaos with independent journalists, investigators, and the truther community.

  • 311. James  |  February 25, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    I agree, Noah that the Tea Party was a strong enough force that it stopped the Obama agenda and gave Republicans the resolve to win the House and nearly take the Senate. As importantly, they won many state and local elections.

    However, they did it within the Republican Party. The Tea Party carried a double edged sword. Some Tea Party candidates argueably cost Republicans control of the Senate. If they split the vote as the Bull Moose party of TR did, Democrats will win.

    Perception is reality. Conditions may get bad, but if the press and entertainment business successfully portray the harsh times as the fault of extremist conservatives who’s programs have been proven to fail, Democrats will win. I think the best course is for Tea Party types to stay with and change the Republican Party while allying with more moderate people. The goal must be to win votes, and to disregard ideological purity if wins an election.

    I regard it as similar to the fat grannies’ blog which tried to vote me and incidently Pfessor and Craig off the site. Poolman and several others disagreed with me on various issues, but we also accepted each others differences. Poolman and several others refused to play. Admittedly one of my most satisfying memories is of Lori’s rage when I told her I wasn’t going anywhere and gave her three choices.

    Yes, Tex, it would be an award-winning comedy, The Ten Stooges.

  • 312. James  |  February 25, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Our county is so thinly settled it has only four electric traffic signals. One of my wife’s students was transgender and the school watched him become a she. She even appeared on the Sally Jessie Rafial Show. She attended a branch of the school devoted to troubled students, graduated and founded a business making and selling renaissance fair costumes. She had no hairy features and those who didn’t know her considered her hot.

    She was close to her grandmother and after she died, the new girl went to the wood shed and hanged herself at the age of 23.

  • 313. Noah  |  February 26, 2013 at 3:05 am

    James
    I think the Dimocrats have built a house of cards and there is a storm coming that it cannot endure. My brother is living proof that you can lower the standard of living for a person and they will accept it if you do so inch by inch to levels you cannot imagine. That is what this administration is doing. They are propping up this economy with deficit spending and printing currency and as anyone with any economic sense will tell you, it always ends badly. When that happens, it is not the Conservatives who will fall. They need to keep true to their message and stay the course.

    I believe we are heading for the greatest economic collapse we have ever encountered, one that will dwarf the great depression. The government knows this and that is why they have purchased billions of rounds of ammunition and are working so desperately to disarm us. IF we are ever to lean from this historical lesson we are about to have handed to us, we need to have a political organization in place that can deliver us out of the nightmare that is coming.

  • 314. PFesser  |  February 26, 2013 at 6:57 am

    re: Fat Grannies. “admittedly one of my most satisfying memories is of Lori’s rage when I told her I wasn’t going anywhere and gave her three choices.”

    The last time I visited there, Grandma advised me that lori had been a “runway model.” Aside from how tiring it must be to have all those big airplanes rolling over you, that little bit of information is very telling. It explains perfectly why she’s out of her depth in a pothole.

  • 315. an800lbgorilla  |  February 26, 2013 at 8:15 am

  • 316. an800lbgorilla  |  February 26, 2013 at 8:43 am

    When you see a man led to prison say in your heart, “Mayhap he is escaping from a narrower prison.” And when you see a man drunken say in your heart, “Mayhap he sought escape from something still more unbeautiful.” -Kahlil Gibran, poet and artist (1883-1931) – R

    Or perhaps he is a self-absorbed coward more intent on taking what he believes he is “entitled” too, whether it be property or oblivion. Perspective indeed, especially to the victim who had his car or TV stolen or the family hungry and in fear.

    Hardship and tribulation is usually what we make of it. We can always find excuse for anything: he was treated poorly as a child; he didn’t have the best education opportunities; he was caught in the economic doldrums; blah, blah, blah. At the end of the day, we make choices, and often times, the right choices are not the easy ones.

    But hey, when our political betters can lie, cheat and steal with impunity—nay, championed with media glorification—then accountability and responsibility need not apply to the “character” of office.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57329146-503544/obama-pledges-to-veto-effort-to-undo-automatic-spending-cuts/

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bob-woodward-obamas-sequester-deal-changer/2013/02/22/c0b65b5e-7ce1-11e2-9a75-dab0201670da_story.html

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/19/Bankrupt-Media-Continues-To-Ignore-GAO-Report-Labeling-Obama-s-Policies-Not-Sustainable

  • 317. James  |  February 26, 2013 at 9:17 am

    “Out of her depth in a pot hole” is funny.

    Gorilla gave us a prospective in the Kahlll Gibran quote which escaped me. He looked a little farther into apparent motivations than I did. He made me think about someone.

    The husband of one of my wife’s teacher friends was a WW11 veteran who never got over his bad combat experiences.His wife said he still had nightmares.

    He was jovial and people liked him. My wife said the look in his eyes disturbed her when he shared some of his adventures. He seemed too intense.

    In 1982, while his wife was at school, he stood by a basement drain so most of the blood would flow away, and then, he blew his head off.

    Was seeking oblivian expression of a sense of entitlement or was it cowardice?

  • 318. James  |  February 26, 2013 at 9:30 am

    You may be right, Noah. I hope so.

    I don’t have much hope for a people who in her day named Jane Fonda one of the world’s most admired women and have given the same approval to Hillary Clinton. Some people thought Ben Gazi was a man.Others still confuse Vietnam with Korea.

    I’m not saying people should surrender their principals. I’m saying sometimes it is better to win with people who don’t completely agree with you than to lose, especially if our surviaval is at stake.

    As Darrel Waltrip said during a NASCAR race. “You make friends where you find them.” All of the drivers would as Danica Patrick said “push their own mothers out of the way if it meant a win.” However, they form alliances and work together during the race. One commentator described the process as almost like looking for a prom date.,

  • 319. James  |  February 26, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Poolman, The Wall Street Journal “America’s Red State Growth Corridors” is another piece of evidence to support my opinion. Not all of the politicians who make growth enhancing policies are Republicans. Democrats who support low taxes and pro business policies are also presiding over success compared to the liberal tax and spend attitudes in blue states. One of the primary growth areas is the Great Plains who twenty years ago, two professors from Rughters I think proposed creating a Buffalo Commons to turn the Plains into a wild life preserve.

    Betsy’s page has links to several interesting articles. Another from the Weekly Standard is titled “Sebelius’s New Obamacare decrees Tip Her Hand.” The Democrats’ principle goal is to redistribute money and to move away from insurance to a single payer program. Most of the money will be taken from the young and given to old people.

  • 320. an800lbgorilla  |  February 26, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Was seeking oblivian expression of a sense of entitlement or was it cowardice? – James

    I don’t know what to tell you James. Was it the sole of the reason to do it? No context so…

    How did his wife feel? Was she at peace with his final release? Was his oblivion worth it for her?

    That’s the point. Our actions and choices often times don’t just affect ourselves, especially when we have responsibilities and commitments to others. Maybe being a convict or a drunk has a purpose, as Gibran implies, but it also has consequences—often times for someone else who had little choice in the matter.

  • 321. poolman  |  February 26, 2013 at 11:22 am

    I don’t think the Gibran quote implies a convict or a drunk has a purpose, rather a possible reason, one that may not be evident to onlookers. It is basically saying you don’t know because you are not in their head. In other words, ‘judge not lest you be judged’. The old biblical ‘plank versus the speck’ in one’s eye analogy.

    Though I do agree with the further statements in 316, I don’t think the quote means we should excuse bad behavior. It asks us to look deeper toward the driving force that may have led to their present condition.

    It speaks to our concern for our fellow man, offering the benefit of a doubt. Innocent until proven guilty. Concepts that once were part of our national character.

  • 322. Tex Taylor  |  February 26, 2013 at 11:50 am

    And I assume that our resident progressives think this man is worth hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars a year?

  • 323. Rutherford  |  February 26, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    “Was seeking oblivian expression of a sense of entitlement or was it cowardice?”

    Or was it simply despair? Why does he deserve our derision when we don’t know what his demons were?

    It can’t be a coincidence that G makes his first return to the blog so soon after Tex. You boys travel in a pack?

    What G’s judgmental comment comes down to is “fuck empathy”. All Gibran is saying is don’t be so quick to judge.

    I can accept that G and Noah and others think liberals exploit the unfortunate. So resent the liberals. Don’t resent the unfortunate. They didn’t do a damn thing to you. They’re dealing with enough without your piling on your tough love bullshit.

  • 324. Rutherford  |  February 26, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    I think in his Oscar acceptance speech Ben Affleck demonstrated the proper balance of empathy and tough love:

    “And it doesn’t matter how you get knocked down in life because that’s going to happen. All that matters is you gotta get up.”

  • 325. an800lbgorilla  |  February 26, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    What G’s judgmental comment comes down to is “fuck empathy”. All Gibran is saying is don’t be so quick to judge. – R

    Is that what I said? I don’t think so.

    My point is that we can always find some outside motivator for something, but there are often times inside motivators that are more important. Likewise, I also said that while “Mayhap he is escaping from a narrower prison,” his escape should not come at the expense of others and our perception of those engaged in the behavior mentioned—regardless its ~patheticness (sym~, em~, or otherwise) should be in context.

    This is the difference between you and me R, you go ‘whoa, that’s deep dude’ but never entreat your toe into the depth. Of course, that never stops you from throwing stones at the man coming up for air from the depths…

  • 326. Tex Taylor  |  February 26, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    I haven’t talked to Gorilla since the election but it is always good to make my friend’s acquaintance. As always, your perception wrong. Wait until you get the ultimate surprise and you find out how really twisted you WERE in your own perceived genius. :twisted:

    I made no comment about something you found profound because I found the statement rather mundane, trite and superficial; progressive in a sense.

    I was simply being gentlemanly letting it pass, chalking it up to your Peter Pan nature and lack of taste.

    To be truly empathetic, you first have a measure of truth and justice in you so that you can determine who deserves empathy and who deserves scorn. Frankly Rutherford, Jean Valjean you ain’t.

    Therefore, I find your idea of empathy shallow and superficial, as I generally do your conclusions.

  • 327. James  |  February 26, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    I asked a question because I don’t know the answer. That quote and Huck made me think a little deeper.The WW11 veteran who shot himself was popular and in good health. He and his wife had a good marriage, though my wife and I did notice she subtly belittled him once in a while.

    His wife had post polio syndrome, and life was harder after he died. It seemed to take her a couple of years to mentally recover.

    Cowardice is an emotion like joy or dispair. In some ways even when I was brave in the service, I was a coward. More than anything, I feared what I would think when I was fifty and worried that I wouldn’t be able to stand the sight of my face.

    Empathy is important for several reasons. One is that to empathize with an enemy increases the chances of actually inflicting emotional pain..

  • 328. James  |  February 26, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Richard Cory

    Edwin Arlington Robinson

    “Whenever Richard Cory went down town
    We people on the pavement looked at him
    He was a gentleman from sole to crown
    Clean favored and imperially slim…

    So on we worked and waited for the light
    And went without the meat and cursed the bread
    And Richard Cory, one calm summer night,
    Went home and put a bullet through his head.”

    The Fear

    Lilly Allen

    “I don’t know what’s right and what’s real any more
    and I don’t know how I’m meant to feel any more
    And with these things it will all become clear
    ’cause I’m being taken over by the fear…
    because I’m killing them all on my own little mission
    Now, I’m not a saint, but I’m not a sinner
    But everything’s cool as long as I’m getting thinner.”

  • 329. Huck  |  February 26, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    “In a few days, Congress might allow a series of arbitrary budget cuts to take place—known in Washington as ‘the sequester.’” – Barack Obama

    “ar·bi·trar·y
    [ahr-bi-trer-ee] Show IPA adjective, noun, plural ar·bi·trar·ies.
    adjective
    1. subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one’s discretion: an arbitrary decision. ” – Dictionary.com

    Anyone want to take a guess who that individual is, in this case?

  • 330. PFesser  |  February 26, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    Have any of you guys seen this? It’s hilarious.

  • 331. PFesser  |  February 26, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    gorilla@315. I am forwarding this to everyone I know.

    The ultraconservatives piss me off, but at least they KNOW things. When they talk about guns, they KNOW about guns. When the liberals talk about guns, they don’t bloody know which end of the tube the round comes out of. Perfect example.

    Kudos for an excellent video.

  • 332. poolman  |  February 26, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    Suicide is such a waste. Over the years I have known several people that have taken their own life. When someone like Aaron Swartz kills himself (I still don’t believe he did), people accuse him of being a coward and taking the easy way out. When a soldier does it we don’t call it cowardice. It is a double standard. Is it the uniform that makes the difference? The truth is that there is something horribly wrong with our policies and practices. Our troops are taking their own lives at an ever increasing rate. This is happening in spite of all the anti-depressants the military is doling out to these kids; in spite of the thousands of psychiatrists the military has hired to ‘fix’ the problem; in spite of the new ‘understanding’ of PTSD.

    This is symptomatic of a much bigger problem.

    In all, 349 service members in all branches of the US Military committed suicide in 2012, up 15 percent from 301 suicides in the military in 2011, AP reported, citing a Pentagon source. The number of US Military suicides in 2012 exceeded the total combat fatalities in Afghanistan in 2012, which the AP calculated at 295 deaths.

    http://rt.com/usa/us-army-suicide-rate-025/

    What about our ‘heroes’, those who have served to ‘defend’ our freedom? How well are we treating them?. Obviously, there is more talk than there is real help or action.

    6,570 veterans commit suicide per year.

    http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/jan/26/rush-holt/rush-holt-says-18-veterans-commit-suicide-daily/

    These people who serve in uniform take an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign AND domestic. How many are able to claim that is what they have done/are doing? When will the domestic enemies of this document be dealt with and by whom?

  • 333. Rutherford  |  February 26, 2013 at 8:19 pm

  • 334. PFesser  |  February 26, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    R – amazing duo, weren’t they? I’m restoring my aunt’s 1942 Zenith radio. It’s exactly like this one, but of course in very bad shape.

    The last song I ever remember hearing on it was “The Boxer,” by Simon and Garfunkel – sometime around 1972-3.

    If I remember correctly, Art was an absolute genius, and was just furious because his college wouldn’t let him take more than 25 hours/semester, or something like that…I tried 21 one semester, and ended up with nine, only passing five.

    Of course, that was before I was saying “no.” LOL

  • 335. Huck  |  February 27, 2013 at 12:41 am

    I am curious to see how the resident Obama fans here defend their guy after he makes the sequester cuts as painful as possible for the country just to hurt Republicans. Which is what he is threatening to do.

    The whole “Republicans are willing to destroy the country just to make Obama look bad” meme will be pretty laughable after that.

  • 336. an800lbgorilla  |  February 27, 2013 at 6:25 am

    Especially since it is the EXECUTIVE who controls how the cuts go into effect…

  • 337. Noah  |  February 27, 2013 at 7:14 am

    Just received a message from the bank saying pretty soon the FDIC will stop giving unlimited deposit insurance to acct holders.

    Just another sign of things to come.

  • 338. Noah  |  February 27, 2013 at 8:19 am

    I found this to be an overly long but information video on foods and cancer prevention. It is selling a subscription at the end, to which I decided to purchase, but the free information presented I found interesting and I learned a few things I didn’t know.

    http://w3.newsmax.com/newsletters/brownstein/video_cancer.cfm?p=n&PROMO_CODE=1269A-1&gclid=CI3Nw42z1rUCFYZcMgodulMAzA

  • 339. James  |  February 27, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Thanks Rutherford. We still have that album and several others.

    I was twenty- one years when I wrote this song
    I’m 22 now, but I won’t be for long.
    and the leaves that are green turn to brown.”

    I’ve never heard anyone sing Bridge over Troubled Water better than Art Gufunkle did.

    Or by the We Five “I woke up this morning and you were on my mind…I got troubled, I got worried. I’ve got wounds to bind…I came home again.”

    “But time has a way of changing a man throughout the years…
    So you’re old, you’re wise you’re smart
    You wonder how it might have been
    had you not cast your fate to the wind.”

    “We are but a moment’s sunlight fading on the ground,. You hold the keys to love and fear in your trembling hand….come on people let’s love one another.”

    We still have the We Five’s albums too.

    Our son-in law’s father also restores old radios. He has a large collection after many years.

    Huck, some Democrats are worried about Americans’ feeling less than predicted pain too. Obama may try try to create suffering anyway, because he is a psychologically dangerous man.

  • 340. Noah  |  February 27, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    How cold was it here in Michigan this morning? It was so cold I actually saw a Democrat with his hands in his own pockets, I shit you not.

  • 341. Noah  |  February 27, 2013 at 1:11 pm

  • 342. Noah  |  February 27, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    And just days ago, it was revealed that a provision in a new Washington-state gun-control bill was so draconian that even its sponsors backtracked or denied any knowledge of it when they were confronted about it.

    As Seattle Times columnist Danny Westneat reported , the “Orwellian” measure would allow the county sheriff to inspect the homes of owners of so-called “assault weapons” to ensure the weapons were stored properly.

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/see-police-confiscate-guns-from-americans/#gq0S38RUXJh1UWqc.01

  • 343. poolman  |  February 27, 2013 at 7:38 pm

  • 344. poolman  |  February 27, 2013 at 7:38 pm

  • 345. PFesser  |  February 27, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Do you boys want to see why the Democrats are beating us like a drum? Look no further:

    http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/ladies_north_carolina_doesnt_want_to_see_your_breasts_partner/

    The damned NC legislature is spending its time on three things this session: nipples, possums and weed. Not on the impending demise of the American way of life, not the dollar, not the war(s), not the disappearance of the middle class, not the socialists in Washington who are galloping full-tilt to turn us into the next East Germany.

    No, by God. They are focused on fucking nipples.

    As a native West Virginian, all I can say is, Thank God for North Carolina.

  • 346. PFesser  |  February 27, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    Yeah, that’s the priority:

    http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/20/2695201/weed-breasts-possums-keep-nc-lawmakers.html

    A Very Smart Woman summed it up for me yesterday: when women think about the Republican party, they see the face of a much-too-strict father, not satisfied with controlling them as teenagers, trying to continue to boss them around and run their lives after they are full-grown, too.

  • 347. James  |  February 27, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    I agree Pfessor. I repeat the NASCAR analagy again. Make friends who recognize the threat and sort out other differences later.

    The Daily caller reports that “Woodward says he was threatened by the White House: ‘you will regret doing this'”

    We face an evil regime, and removing it ( with votes of course) is more important than disagreements on nipples weed or abortion.

  • 348. Huck  |  February 27, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    “The Daily caller reports that “Woodward says he was threatened by the White House: ‘you will regret doing this’””

    Yeah, I was just coming over here to talk some shit about this. Woodward also stated this on CNN today.

    Raise your hand if you think Bob Woodward scares easy. I mean, the guy has only caused a president to step down. Barack Obama aint shit.

    Has anyone noticed how quiet the Obama cheerleaders have been around here, lately? Is it an epidemic of buyers remorse or is there just no more need to defend him now that he’s been re-elected?

    Drone kill list that can and has included American citizens
    Releasing criminals to make the opposition look bad
    Refusing to deploy ships to make the opposition look bad
    Threatening journalists

    This is venturing into 3rd world dictator stuff, here, folks.

  • 349. poolman  |  February 28, 2013 at 12:32 am

  • 350. poolman  |  February 28, 2013 at 1:45 am

    The next few months will be very interesting. Things are beginning to unravel. Well, really they have for some time, but the momentum is picking up.

    Monday a court heard three hours of testimony from people challenging a couple of bogus 9/11 documentaries that the BBC aired previously. It seems the BBC is obligated by law to report the truth. Imagine that.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33984.htm

    And also that same day this other case was before the court:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2284337/TV-licence-evader-refused-pay-BBC-covered-facts-9-11.html#ixzz2LycqGEsg

    And what is our media’s obligation to reporting truth? Oh, right. There is no obligation to report truth. As a matter of fact, they have license to lie and propaganda is a-okay. We’re just a bunch of yanks anyway. lol.

  • 351. Rutherford  |  February 28, 2013 at 2:02 am

    Well, to my great disappointment writing a new piece today and/or piping in on the comments section fell to the bottom of the priority list. And I go back to work tomorrow (today is my Sunday).

    I will still do my damnedest to write a piece by tomorrow night particularly since Friday’s event will make my piece look a day late and a dollar short.

    Just a passing comment … I still see Drudge-fed hysteria in evidence in these parts. And what the hell did Barack shove up Woodward’s ass? I guess old Bob figures he brought down a GOPer in the 70’s so time to return the favor to the Dem’s in 2013. You’re never too old to bust political balls.

  • 352. Rutherford  |  February 28, 2013 at 2:11 am

    I’ve grown tired of arguing with Tex who I can’t pin down from one day to the next — one day friendly gentlemanly Southerner with thoughtful analysis of this and that — the next day race-baiting misogynistic butt-head.

    So rather than argue, I’ll just point out those few areas where I agree with him.

    My better half and I watched the Oscars. My wife is a film buff so she loves it. While I enjoy the occasional witty acceptance speech, I am struck by the masturbatory nature of the entire spectacle. Several hundred folks whose contribution to society is minimal gather together and behave like the world revolves around them. It doesn’t sicken me. It just mildly annoys me.

    I nearly got beaned in the head by my wife when I remarked to her at the end of the show, “Isn’t it a bit beneath the dignity of the First Lady to be handing out Oscars?” Between that and seeing Barack on sports shows prognosticating, we are witnessing the degradation of the Presidency. I don’t get melodramatic about it. It didn’t start with Obama either. Between Nixon’s high crimes and misdemeanors and Slick Willie’s over assertive penis, we’ve been desperately needing a return to Ike Eisenhower and Harry Truman for some time now.

  • 353. Huck  |  February 28, 2013 at 3:16 am

    “And what the hell did Barack shove up Woodward’s ass?”

    Woodward had the nerve to write a book that Obama didn’t like. It’s been out for almost 7 months. But now that we are days away from the sequester that Obama designed and signed into law, it has suddenly become a big deal.

    A big enough deal that senior White House officials are now sending Woodward email threats that he “will regret” what he has done.

    You see…Bob Woodward is a member of the press and he has crossed King Barry. If he were a part of Fox News, he could be easily enough dismissed. But he isn’t. He’s one of the most respected journalists of our time. So he must be silenced.

    You should be disgusted by this, Rutherford. Instead, I see you are quickly falling in line to do your part.

  • 354. James  |  February 28, 2013 at 9:31 am

    I agree with Huck.

    Woodward helped expose the lie that Republicans conceived the sequester. The president is charged with protecting the United States. Yet, he orders the Truman air craft carrier docked instead of going to the Middle East where it is apparently needed. If we are so short of money before the sequester which will only take about 2% of the total budget why did we also find money to help Syrian refugees and rebels? Woodward rightly said even Bill Clinton would not have sacrificed our nation’s defenses to make a political point. “This is madness.” We also seem to have money for the Obama’s expensive vacations.

    Another man, the president of the Black Chamber of Commerce, said he voted for and supported Obama in 2008 because he liked what Barack said and discounted the rest. Obama was black and his views made him a good voting choice.

    Now, he says Obama is a bad man, and” bad on me” for being taken in. Obama is a marginal communist. “Bad, Bad on me.”

    An Omaha woman in her nineties received a call from her grand son who said he was in a Peruvian jail and needed bail money. She sent the money and of course later learned it was a scam. She was embarrassed, but she went public to help others.

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.The concept requires some soul searching.

    According to an Omaha station, someone in Florida said the sequester will force keepers of captured pythons to release them. Parents must keep their children at home lest pythons eat them on their ways to school.

    While we’re at it, consider this as payback for your Drudge Report hysteria comment. More people should read the Drudge links. If they did, fewer people would be ignorant.

    . Sarah Palin is at least as smart as Obama. She is not a socialist, and she isn’t anti- military. She alone among the candidates of the time had executive experience. If she were president now this would be an economically healthier country. Four men at Bengazi would still be alive and the other wounded would have remained healthy and fit.

    When she made her first speech at the convention her teleprompter malfunctioned for a while, but she carried on, and few if any noticed.

    Obama’s teleprompter misfired, and he thanked himself for attending the reception he was hosting.

    I agree with your comments about presidential dignity in 352.I also agree delaying your next comments a day or so is wise.

  • 355. Tex Taylor  |  February 28, 2013 at 10:17 am

    — one day friendly gentlemanly Southerner with thoughtful analysis of this and that — the next day race-baiting misogynistic butt-head.

    :twisted: I knew you’d miss me.

    You don’t debate. You haven’t debated for three years. You ignore, then provide some generalization three days later unrelated to my charges, usually full of innuendo. You know why? Because you can’t debate the issues anymore than that failed President can debate the issues. You can win an election with insipidity and cliche while buying a vote from a public too ignorant and too apathetic to learn anything, but you’re not up to the job once there. You’re a plebe in thefraternity, led by a fraternity President.

    —–

    See this? Starts at the top. If this were the private sector, half of them would be out on their ass and nobody would notice.

    http://www.federalnewsradio.com/1116/3233184/Low-morale-Youre-not-alone-new-federal-survey-shows

    Huck is absolutely right. You stooges won, and now you’re going to lose. Big TIME! Yeehaw! I think you see the writing on the wall, so you’ve gone silent. You’ve divided the country to the point half of us are actually rooting against you. Barack can’t put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

    Today, growth came in at .1%. Not one percent. Point one percent. :lol: Last quarter, the economy actually contracted. And half the country cheered! :mrgreen:

    You and that asshole you helped elect couldn’t manage to get yourselves out of a wet paper bag. We’ve got a nasty, mental midget for President. Or does that make me a race-baiter to criticize that POS too? Even if the nation now so stupid to reelect a corrupted thug, it doesn’t change the fact that Barack Hussein Obama has clearly failed. I’m going to enjoy watching a large swath of this country sink into the abyss under Hussein’s tutelage, more specifically two groups:

    (1) The under 40 crowd, too ignorant to think critically and too indoctrinated from the public education system to cast sound judgment about anything past the brand of delicious weed; those who voted for Obama because he’s cool.

    (2) Liberal bloggers and the media.

  • 356. Noah  |  February 28, 2013 at 10:32 am

    I get my ass chewed for my generalization of Liberals, yet 100% of them have disappeared. Lack of honesty, lack of integrity, lack of a lot of things. Moral people are Conservatives. As ones life unfolds and takes whatever turns it takes to make one ignore their morality; if they were ever taught it; tend to move towards a Liberal bent. The more immoral, the more Liberal they become, and all traces of character and intellectual honesty disappear. So far it is universally true here, I suspect it is so everywhere else. To be “truly” a moral person excludes the possibility of being Liberal.

    Take your time R, I don’t forget :)

  • 357. Huck  |  February 28, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    “I guess old Bob figures he brought down a GOPer in the 70′s so time to return the favor to the Dem’s in 2013. You’re never too old to bust political balls.”

    Yeah. This is all about old man Woodward trying to stay relevant.

    USA Today says, “All we can say is: We know more than a few reporters have received similar e-mails from White House officials. Yelling has also been known to happen.”

    And a former Clinton aid says, “Davis told WMAL that his editor, John Solomon, “received a phone call from a senior Obama White House official who didn’t like some of my columns, even though I’m a supporter of Obama. I couldn’t imagine why this call was made.” Davis says the Obama aide told Solomon, “that if he continued to run my columns, he would lose, or his reporters would lose their White House credentials.””

    This garbage has been going on. We just didn’t hear about it until Obama’s balls got bigger than his brains and he threatened the wrong guy.

  • 358. Huck  |  February 28, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Here’s another one

    “As editor-in-chief of National Journal, I received several e-mails and telephone calls from this White House official filled with vulgarity, abusive language, and virtually the same phrase that Woodward called a veiled threat. “You will regret staking out that claim,” The Washington Post reporter was told.”

  • 359. Alfie  |  February 28, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    @ James or anyone else with details: I am interested in the charge regards the USS Harry S Truman (CVN 75). My understanding is the Truman is actually in a state of repair that prevents it from being counted on for the Fleet rotation. People that hate defense spending and especially those that have a problem with the number of carriers should take note that the deployment & readiness cycles only give us half of our carriers at anytime.

  • 360. James  |  February 28, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    The New York Post ” Obama draws Bob Woodward’s ire for keeping warships at home because of cuts.”

    “Obama warned Tuesday that Navy readiness was in jeopardy because of the cuts, including a delay of maintenance on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham,Lincoln. The Pentagon also announced that it had postponed sending the carrier USS Harry Truman to the Persian Gulf.”

    Los Angeles Times Opinion LA “The Stupid sequester–and you” Feb 25 2013

    On Tuesday, the president will head for the Navy port of Norfolk, Va to complain that the sequester forced him to keep the aircraft carrier Harry S.Truman home instead of sending it to the Persian Gulf.”

    The Daily Caller

    “key SOTU takeaway: The sequester is happening , and its going to hit the Navy hard.” “All flying for four of our nine operational aircraft carriers will be canceled in March. it will take 9-12 months to restore normal readiness at 2-3 times the cost.”

    Ace of Spades HQ “The Madness of King Barkey: Obama refuses to deploy an aircraft carrier to the Persian Gulf, Claiming the sequester Just won’t let him.”

    “The Defense Department said in early February that it would not deploy the USS Harry Truman to the Persian Gulf, citing budget concerns relating to the looming cuts known as the sequester”

    Maybe the USS Harry Truman is legitimately in dock for maintainence and Obama lied to make it appear the sequester was the cause for the ship’s inactivity. If so, it still makes the President look bad.

  • 361. James  |  February 28, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    Noah, “I love the smell of” vindication “in the morning.”

  • 362. James  |  February 28, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    A present for Rutherford and the rest of you. The Girls on Fox News Song on Youtube.

  • 363. James  |  February 28, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    For the President: Jive Talkin’ Bee Gees video.

  • 364. Raji  |  February 28, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    Excellent commentary

    http://spiritofjefferson.com/blog/2013/02/what-makes-us-great-we-do/

    “We are tipping that slippery slope ever downward towards the chaos of third world anarchy. Will it come tomorrow, or next year, or next decade? Who knows, but unless we reverse the trend, start shredding your copies of the Constitution. The fat lady isn’t singing yet, but she is warming up.”

    — John Bagladi writes from Harpers Ferry.

  • 365. poolman  |  February 28, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    That IS good commentary, Raji.

    Jive talking is right, James. It is hard to believe I trusted O enough to help elect him in 2008 and defended him for at least a year beyond that, waiting for him to make good on his promises. Good thing I did not hold my breath. lol. But back then I KNEW McCain, since he ‘represents’ my state and even today know he’s a dangerous albeit somewhat worthless shill.

    And yes, this sequester is the current fear mongering bullshit passed off as crisis. People are beginning to see the light. Even some liberals are starting to ask the serious questions. I find folks are open to hearing alternate views moreso now with all the bullshit they have heard from our media sources.

    I await the day our troops waken and defend our constitution against our domestic enemies, no matter how popular, connected, or white the house they live in. Soon. Please. Very soon.

  • 366. poolman  |  February 28, 2013 at 8:17 pm

  • 367. dead rabbit  |  February 28, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    What a miserable bastard. President Phoney goes on the endless campaign trail bashing his own cuts that he promised back in 2011.

    When HIS cuts come up, the same phony phuck now tells us that the government will not be able to perform the most basic and essential duty of defending America.

    Of course, he lied about the cuts being HIS in the first place. Until he couldn’t anymore. Doesn’t matter, his fan boys like Rutherford will defend him as usual. All the while Rutherford is making minimum wage balls deep into the second term without even a dash of irony! His own daughter suffocating in debt the whole time!

    Doesn’t matter if even the legend Bob fucking Woodward calls out the insanity. Liberals eat their own.

    This is the same guy who said a big chunk of Obamacare will be funded by stopping waste in Medicare.

    Yet, Obama essentially tells us he would rather pay a fucking dowry to Al Queda then cut a few measly things at home? Not one bit of waste could be possibly found?

    Of course, I took the tax increase like a man. But the government giving one cunt hair back? Impossible. Impossible. Impossible.

    This drama is comical. A nation drowning in debt. What a pathetic sight. One day historians are going to savage us all, Edward Gibbon style.

  • 368. poolman  |  March 1, 2013 at 3:37 am

    There is a good new video done to Beethoven about meteors with some good pictures and history at this site. I have embedded 11 videos on this thread so I have exceeded my limit. Self-imposed, but you never know when someone lurking might just pounce on that. :wink:

    http://www.sott.net/article/258970-Crowded-Skies

  • 369. an800lbgorilla  |  March 1, 2013 at 6:39 am

    This is clearly going well…

    Hamdeen Sabbahi and Mohamed ElBaradei of the National Salvation Front (NSF) will not meet US Secretary of State John Kerry during his visit to Egypt, said Heba Yassin of the Popular Current Party.

    The United States insists on painting a positive image of President Mohamed Morsy, despite the criticisms and demands of the opposition, the political figures claim.

    Kerry is visiting Egypt early in March. It is his first visit to the country since he took over from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton earlier this month. Kerry plans to meet with Egyptian officials to discuss regional and international issues.

    US President Barack Obama had told Morsy on the phone that Kerry would meet government officials and opposition forces in an effort to encourage collaboration, and support the nation’s burgeoning democracy.

    http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/nsf-leaders-refuse-meet-kerry-protest-against-us-pro-morsy-stance

  • 370. James  |  March 1, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Better late than never, Poolman.

    Rutherford asked in this section “is our eye on the wrong ball?” Yes. We should be watching Obama. He will intentionally hurt the American people to make a political point. A real leader who cared would have planned and negotiated to make a possible sequester less painful to the citizens. Obama wants to maximize the pain.

    His doom bluff appears not to have worked, so his minions are backtracking toward gradualism.

    One forgotten element of WW11 is that FDR cut the military budget to the point that our strength was ranked about number 16 We were on a par with Portugal. .It was so bad that 1930’s soldiers training for war used trucks with Tank written on the sides, because there were not enough tanks for training. Some of our forces in Southeast Asia faced Japanese soldiers with weapons circa the Spanish-American War. We initially faced superior forces, and an unknown number of our soldiers died unnecessarily.

    Obama doesn’t know or care about history. Watching people who voted for him suffer economically is satisfying on one level if we discount the taxes we must pay to support them, but Obama’s policy also threatens our safety as a nation.

  • 371. James  |  March 1, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Janet Napolitano said the illegal criminals were released without her knowledge. But according to Rush Limbaugh, there was an order from Homeland Security last week to free people. I will use Rush as a source now because he is as good as the news media and the White House, and because most of his information is regurgitated blog and news media stories. I may even cite Michele Malkin, one of Rutherford’s favorite conservatives.

    Obama, of course, knew even less than his underlings as he was kept in the dark about Fast and Furious and the Bengazi attacks. Obama didn’t read his own health insurance law, and he refused to negotiate or even seriously speak to Congress people about the budget and sequester.

    Janet Reno apparently also free- lanced when she burned Branch Davidians alive in Waco. Bill Clinton didn’t know what was happening either,. Maybe if he had known and stopped the operation, people who Timothy Mc Veigh killed with his bomb might have lived. One reason he gave for his attack was Waco.If Clinton could blame Rush Limbaugh as Clinton and liberals did, one can also blame Waco with the same tenous logic..

    It was hyprocritical for Democrats to complain when Ollie North helped run an arms for Iran operation from the White House basement. They were sure Reagan must know.

    Plausible denialability is getting implausible.

  • 372. an800lbgorilla  |  March 1, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Vice President Joe Biden told Field & Stream magazine in an interview published Monday, “[if] you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.”

    Coincidentally, a 22-year-old man in Virginia Beach, Va., was charged Monday with reckless handling of a firearm after doing just that a couple days earlier.

    Local TV station WAVY 10 reports that the man observed two masked men leaning into his bedroom window. The men allegedly had weapons and told him to close his bedroom door. He stepped outside of his bedroom and did as instructed, then fired his shotgun through the closed door and then several more times at the window.

    According to the news report there were no injuries and the suspects were not apprehended by police.

  • 373. Rutherford  |  March 1, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Sorry guys — don’t have the time to do your homework for you. Go to Politico and you will find the EXACT email exchange between Woodward and Gene Sperling (hardly a White House low level aid). The exchange shows Sperling APOLOGIZING to Woodward about a previous over the top phone convo … and then suggesting that Woodward is still wrong about his sequester assertions and that one day he will “regret” making them — because he’s wrong — not because of any implied retribution.

    The kicker is that Woodward’s email back to Sperling accepts his apology. The two were getting on quite civilly and there was no threat. Woodward played drama queen in public on this to put himself in the headlines. The move of a journalist protective of HIS place in history.

    So … my dear Rabbit, stop being Cliff Clavin and do your homework before you mouth off about Bob fucking Woodward and his legendary status.

  • 374. Tex Taylor  |  March 1, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Undoubtedly, Obama hasn’t had time to do his homework either. And of course, you will ignore Gorilla and me because it doesn’t fit the “Everything is going to be Alright, Guys!” Obama’s in the House!!!”

    Chew on this, Mr. lAAAwson:

    Consumer spending in the U.S. rose in January even as incomes dropped by the most in 20 years, showing households were weathering the payroll-tax increase by socking away less money in the bank.

    Household purchases, which account for about 70 percent of the economy, climbed 0.2 percent after a 0.1 percent gain the prior month, a Commerce Department report showed today in Washington. The median estimate in a Bloomberg survey of 76 economists called for a 0.2 percent advance. Incomes slumped 3.6 percent, sending the saving rate down to the lowest level since November 2007.

    As Graham once said in the movie Signs, “It’s happening….”

  • 375. James  |  March 1, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    “Is our eye on the wrong ball?” Once again, yes.

    I already read the exchange and so what? The right ball is that Woodward caught Obama in a lie about the sequester and the “madness” of using politics to weaken our nation.Woodward interpreted “you will regret” as a threat which he thought would intimidate younger reporters to keep quiet if someone similarly threatened them.

  • 376. James  |  March 1, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    It has been done before. An appology is good public relations. Of course Obama is not the first president to do this, but he has attempted to intimidate others. Didn’t the applogy come after Woodward said he was threatened?

    Keeping our eyes on the ball requires that we focus on the real issue. Obama wants us to suffer as much as possible to damage Republicans and to convince us we need big government to survive. “Obamageddon” in the Wall Street Journal supports my view.

    “The president wants to deny himself and his executive branch the ability to do less harm. Don’t stop me before I kill again.”

    Obama says “he won’t even sign a bill cancelling those cuts, or letting him do less harm unless Republicans also agree to raise taxation again.”

    Keep your eyes on the real ball, a new version of the “Slow Bleed.” Democrats wanted American soldiers and Iraquies to die to defeat Bush and the Republicans. Now, they plan the same strategy against us to degrade our quality of life.

  • 377. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    “So … my dear Rabbit, stop being Cliff Clavin and do your homework before you mouth off about Bob fucking Woodward and his legendary status.” -Rutherford

    Rutherford, you Obama cluck…you think I care if Woodward was threatened? I assume he was. But, really could care less. I’m convinced president thin skinned phony fuck spends more time smoking mirrors and spinning lies for short term safe haven then anything else. But…that’s not the point. The point is Woodward called out another blatant lie…and is being attacked by miserable people on the left for it. Classic……

  • 378. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    “Keep your eyes on the real ball, a new version of the “Slow Bleed.” Democrats wanted American soldiers and Iraquies to die to defeat Bush and the Republicans. Now, they plan the same strategy against us to degrade our quality of life.” -JAMES

    Nailed it. It’s sad…but so true.

  • 379. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    The Phony Phuck is hell bent on making Americans hurt over such a measly cut. Can you believe that shit? We have a President hell bent on making cuts hurt America as much as possible? Disgusting.

    Itty bitty cut. An asshole is hell bent on weakening America as much as possible.

    Do you think there have been round tables in which these assholes brain storm ideas on how to make a 2% cut hurt America as much as possible? Can you imagine being a fly on the wall?

    Pretty close to evil, really.

  • 380. Rutherford  |  March 1, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Mr lAAAwson. Tex you DO have the cleverest insults around.

  • 381. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/free-molly-norris/

  • 382. Noah  |  March 2, 2013 at 12:25 am

    So R, whats the deal? I would think with your time limited such that it is that your comments would be information packed with your opposing point of view. Instead they have become even more trivial than usual. Having all of your Liberals on this blog abandoning you left you politically neutered?

  • 383. Rutherford  |  March 2, 2013 at 1:12 am

    No James the apology did NOT come after he said he was threatened.

    Again, look up the email exchange in Politico.

  • 384. Noah  |  March 2, 2013 at 1:37 am

    “Why is it so important that we educate our people? Because we don’t want to go down the pathway as so many pinnacle nations that have preceded us. I think particularly about ancient Rome. Very powerful. Nobody could even challenge them militarily, but what happened to them? They destroyed themselves from within. Moral decay, fiscal irresponsibility. They destroyed themselves. If you don’t think that can happen to America, you get out your books and you start reading, but you know, we can fix it.”
    –Dr. Benjamin Carson, February 7, 2013

  • 385. PFesser  |  March 2, 2013 at 2:05 am

    Anybody seen this? Not a lot of legislating going on up there in DC, but hells of comedy:

    Maxine Waters: “Over one hundred seventy-million jobs could be lost due to sequestration.”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/02/28/maxine_waters_over_170_million_jobs_could_be_lost_due_to_sequestration.html

    Where is she from, now? South Central Los Angeles? Isn’t that the place they used to call “Watts?” You people keep putting her back into office, and you wonder why the rest of the country doesn’t take you seriously… Hilarious!

    God help us.

    partial dup @ Fat Grannies

  • 386. Noah  |  March 2, 2013 at 10:59 am

    This one made me laugh this morning.

  • 387. Tex Taylor  |  March 2, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    Rutherford lAAAwson’s heroine has been busted for fraud once again. I guess editing videos wasn’t gathering enough moonbats to offset the miserable audience rating. :lol:

    Rachel Maddow Busted Using Multiple Fake Twitter Accounts To Boost Mentions Of Her Show

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2992736/posts

  • 388. Alfie  |  March 2, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Fwiw the whole Woodward story is laughable. I find him and always have found him to be a total piece of shit. The right hated him until his recent Obama bash/buy my books episode. The left has loved him long time but now that he dares to do his voodoo on King Barry &court NOW they hate on him. I actually don’t know who I find more pathetic, Woodward or the faux rage crowd.

  • 389. Alfie  |  March 2, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    I want to round 2 the conversation of sorts I had with James re the Truman. Although I get the ire aimed at Obama for his politicizing this the truth is above and beyond anything the various pundit parties are tied into.
    Truth be told the carrier schedule is all fucked up and that has nothing to do with sequestration , I suppose we can dump on Obama and co for the budget issues but the truth is our present needs fail to jive with our assets and this has been an ongoing thing that has its roots all the way back to Carter. Two carrier Gulf presence is only two years old and is really more about the Navy wanting people to respect its pecker size. The USAF has a healthy presence in the region and is more than capable of holding the fort as it were whether we’re talking Af/Pak,Iraq or Iran. The truth of the matter is that 100 aircraft total from another carrier in the Gulf wouldn’t impress the freaking Iranians anyway. Point of order the Air Force assets don’t help either since the good stuff is all based in the continental USA.
    Much like my two earlier comments on the topic our defense assets fail to meet the needs we’ve placed on them.
    I would echo the concerns of James earlier and the “slow bleed” comment. I would also up the ante. In no small part Obama has added on to the ongoing surrender of US capabilities,credibility and the international stability thing.
    People need to wake up to what is rolling out and decide what they want their country to cast its lot in on the whole show.
    Just one example of regional dominoes goes a little like this:
    The US is initiating the Pacific Pivot. That we may continue this at shoddy levels is ever more likely.
    Japan is taking on a new attitude about its forces.
    China is looking inward and west. So much so there are those that point to this as a significant response and development of the US PAC/Pivot.
    India is looking “east” to Southeast Asia.
    How do you think this plays out? Do you think this will present vacuums and issues elsewhere?
    Anyone? Bueller?

  • 390. Alfie  |  March 2, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    And just in case my earlier comments are too long lets try this one.
    March 2013….. What’s Julia up to ?

  • 391. Tex Taylor  |  March 2, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-low-information-voters-guide-to-politics/

    Good material for the rubes like Newton. This will really help you some day. :smile:

  • 392. James  |  March 3, 2013 at 3:40 am

    Rutherford, Sperling wrote “I know you do not believe this, but as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim. My apologies again for raising my voice on the call with you. I feel bad about that and truly apologize.” Woodward replied “Gene, you do not ever have to apologize to me…this is all part of a serious discussion. I for one welcome a little heat.”

    My interpretation is that Sperling apologized for the yelling not the threat. I also agree with Alfie about Woodward.

    I’m pulling rank on you now, because I know threats. After I filed my complaint, the bad guys came around my bed at night and appeared reasonable and almost contrite, as if I had hurt their feelings. Surely, they had done nothing of the sort. If they had, they were so drunk they couldn’t remember. Why not forget it? “We don’t want something to happen.”

    People not involved told me I was making a mistake. They would badly hurt me. It was all friendly and with the same tone as Sperling’s. Then, I woke with a knife on my throat, and life became more interesting.The territory looks familiar. I know no one is going to hurt Woodward, but others have been threatened too. The point of injury is withholding information and interview opportunities.

    The Truman schedule may have nothing to do with sequester, but Obama claimed it did. That is part of the main issue, not whether dry dock was legitimate or if Woodward was actually threatened.

    We have just returned from visiting our daughter and son – in law. Doctors after the last test give her about 2 or 3 % likely hood of the baby’s not having Downs Syndrome. Our daughter had an amneocentisis test and will know the results in about a week and a half. She has schedueled herself for a Downs syndrome counseling class.

    At first, she was happy and fantaciziing about her child. Now, she is in mourning , curses the bad luck and jokes about giving the baby a two letter name, so she will remember it.She about chewed my head off when I mentioned high functioning Downs Syndrome people, though the average IQ is about 50.So I suggested a two word name, An. Our son in law is sad, but he knows enough not to say much because our daughter is another version of me. My wife told him he deserves combat pay.

    I’ll try to think of an opinion to Alfie’s questions later.

  • 393. PFesser  |  March 3, 2013 at 6:25 am

    Meet Shelia Jackson Lee, freed slave:

    http://www.brutallyhonest.org/brutally_honest/2013/02/meet-sheila-jackson-lee-freed-slave.html

    Let’s see…slavery ended in 1865, at the end of the War of Yankee Aggression…so that makes her at least 148 years old.

    Sure looks good for her age.

  • 394. Alfie  |  March 3, 2013 at 8:27 am

    I see one of the next daggers of the ACA is about to plunge into the backs of the collective economy and populace. The IRS has been green lighted to go after the insurance company fees due it under Section 9010.
    Industry stalwarts are quite clear that the fee will equal a pass on to the consumer of $300 this year and upwards of $500 in the years leading up to 2018.

  • 395. Noah  |  March 3, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Paradox…the government wants everyone to prove they have insurance, but people don’t have to prove they are citizens.

    In other news…Congressman Frank Wolf (R – VA), Chairman of the Appropriations Committee, and Congressman Jim Gerlach (R – PA), a House Ways and Means Committee member, sent a letter to Secretary of State John Kerry on Friday and indicated that he was contacted by a “reliable source who provided information that there are wounded American personnel, including State Department employees, currently in rehabilitation and recovery at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center.”

    Wolf’s letter continues saying that the source told him that as many as seven Americans have been or were given medical treatment at the facility, a number of which were State employees. According to both Wolf and Gerlach, another source corroborated the claim and “indicated that as many as 30 Americans (including State Department and CIA personnel and government contractors) may have been injured in the attack.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/03/01/Wolf-to-Kerry-Turn-Over-Benghazi-Survivors#.UTLIsfk2KNw.facebook

  • 396. Alfie  |  March 3, 2013 at 8:36 am

    @393 I waded through the interwebs and finally came upon the best backgrounder for the whole story.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/282825-house-dem-on-spending-cuts-were-at-the-bone-almost#ixzz2KnTBs9MA

    One glaring thing from the article for me was that it served as a shining example of why the American male needs to grow the fuck up,get his hand back on straight and literally man up in life,work,politics the whole freaking spectrum. The continuing saga of the empowerment of women is going somewhere that women,men and the world probably doesn’t want to go.
    I don’t mean this as the neanderthal misogynist thing it sounds;however, the evolution we’re seeing is proving to be harmful to us all. I find it an area of great interest and importance. Bottom line the strengthening of females is good,that the opposite is happening to males is wrong. It isn’t a zero sum thing,one doesn’t have to be diluted (and deluded) so another can be stronger.

  • 397. James  |  March 3, 2013 at 9:48 am

    The administration wants a single payer system. The death of insurance companies in their present form is part of the plan. Early on Ia Sen Tom Harkin said the Affordable insurance law was only the first step, rather like buying a starter house, so his fellow extremists who wanted more should be patient.

    I have also read that some of the wounded Noah mentioned are alive because of the two security guards who died trying to defend them.Theirs is not the only sorry example of misplaced trust in our government or the commander in chief.

    “The World at Home The Cold War” by the Omaha World Herald, wrote “Lessons learned growing up at Boys Town served retired Navy Cmder. Lloyd ‘Pete’ Bucher his entire life, including 11 brutal months as a prisoner in North Korea in 1968.” One man was killed and 82 were taken prisoner.

    Bucher said later, “Lyndon Johnson’s thoughts about what should be done for the crew of the Pueblo were way way on the back burner.” Iowa Republican Bill Sherly inserted a daily reminder in the Congressional Record counting the number of days our sailors were in captivity.

    “The high brass really put the screws to him .An attempted court martial began shortly after the men were freed. The US had aplogized to North Korea to win their freedom and after the sailors were freed, they rescinded the apology.Bucher had requested destructive gear so if something happened the crew could destroy intellegence equipment and information. The Navy denied his request. The Navy tried to prosecute him for not having the gear, but Bucher produced a photo copy of his memo. Navy Sec John Chafe turned down the court martial.

    In 1990, Bucher and his crew were awarded prisoner of war medals.
    Until then, they were regarded as detainees rather than prisoners of war .Our government tried to put them aside as an inconvenience just as the Obama administration is apparently hiding the Bengazi wounded.

    Remember LBJ said to two governors on Air Force One after or around passage of the Civil Rights law “I’ll have those n voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” Canada Free Press “Some of the lost history of the civil rights movement.”

    Those wounded and killed at Bengazi are “way back” on Obama’s “back burner” as the Pueblo was, and his party owns most black voters and the press like chattel. Therefore, “what at this point, does it matter?”

  • 398. James  |  March 3, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Women have been strong through history, and ideally, both genders are equal partners.

    For example,Tacitus, I think wrote of a Sami woman who had just given birth.She fashioned a hammock of furry skin and hung it inside of her tent. Then, she joined her husband and others to hunt reindeer. A pioneer woman listed in her diary about the farm and other labor she had accomplished that day. Her last entry was “had baby.”

    A young woman was afraid of her British neighbors and they owned one car which her husband drove to the base. They didn’t have a telephone, so when the baby arrived, she had no one to ask for help. Her husband arrived home to be greeted by his wife holding their new son. He rushed his wife to the hospital, and our medical officers said she had done a good job and was fine.

    The progressives have attempted to destroy African American males for political reasons, and now the poison is permeating through our society.

  • 399. Noah  |  March 3, 2013 at 10:37 am

    The IRS decides to audit Grandpa, and summons him to the IRS office. The IRS auditor was not surprised when Grandpa showed up with his attorney. The auditor said, ‘Well, sir, you have an extravagant lifestyle and no full-time employment, Which you explain by saying that you win money gambling. I’m not sure the IRS finds that believable.’

    I’m a great gambler, and I can prove it,’ says Grandpa. ‘How about a demonstration?’ The auditor thinks for a moment and said, ‘Okay. Go ahead.’ Grandpa says, ‘I’ll bet you a thousand dollars that I can bite my own eye.’ The auditor thinks a moment and says, ‘It’s a bet.’ Grandpa removes his glass eye and bites it.

    The auditor’s jaw drops. Grandpa says, ‘Now, I’ll bet you two thousand dollars that I can bite my other eye.’ Now the auditor can tell Grandpa isn’t blind, so he takes the bet. Grandpa removes his dentures and bites his good eye.

    The stunned auditor now realizes he has wagered and lost three grand, with Grandpa’s attorney as a witness. He starts to get nervous. ‘Want to go double or nothing?’ Grandpa asks ‘I’ll bet you six thousand dollars that I can stand on one side of your desk, and pee into that wastebasket on the other side, and never get a drop anywhere in between.’ The auditor, twice burned, is cautious now, but he looks carefully and decides there’s no way this old guy could possibly manage that stunt, so he agrees again. Grandpa stands beside the desk and unzips his pants, but although he strains mightily, he can’t make the stream reach the wastebasket on the other side, so he pretty much urinates all over the auditor’s desk. The auditor leaps with joy, realizing that he has just turned a major loss into a huge win.

    But Grandpa’s own attorney moans and puts his head in his hands. ‘Are you okay?’ the auditor asks. ‘Not really,’ says the attorney. ‘This morning, when Grandpa told me he’d been summoned for an audit, he bet me twenty-five thousand dollars that he could come in here and urinate all over your desk and that you’d be happy about it!’ Don’t Mess with Old People!

  • 400. Tex Taylor  |  March 3, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Pfesser,

    Sheila Jackson Lee is living proof silverbacks are not necessarily male. Shelia is perhaps, and it would be a race to the bottom of the Dimocratic Party, the sorriest excuse and biggest joke for representative that has ever held office in the history of the United States. Maxine Waters would obviously be in the running along with Je$$e’s rotten fruit of the loin.

    And Lee is so detestable as a character, that Continental Airlines (now part of United), headquartered in Houston, TX, thought Lee such a race baiting bully, they forbid this menace to society from flying on their airline.

    And we ponder why the country is in such sad shape?

  • 401. Tex Taylor  |  March 3, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Noah, that was funny! I need to remember that…

  • 402. Alfie  |  March 3, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Tex 400 I agree and the sad part is this is the party that had “Guam flip over” in it. She is a special kind of crazy useless crap,a unique fixture on the Hill,that if they all had any pride would have unanimously censured her long ago.

  • 403. Alfie  |  March 3, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    Of note at least to me is the depth of Obamas sequestration lies. I knew about how he signed it and was for it but lost on me and perhaps other is that the budgets he has submitted and that the Senate especially has never passed (see the D) actually had the cuts found in the sequester stuff. That revelation came to me courtesy of Jeff Sachs,an economist not unfriendly to the left. He has a piece that was in Financial Times that really shreds any remaining credibility O has on this. The bigger lesson too although Sachs doesn’t really play it this way is Obama has seriously miscalculated a large number of his moves.
    Obama and others are dogging the GOP in the House. I hope folks including the President wake up and realize the problem is the Democrats in the Senate.

  • 404. Noah  |  March 3, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Just a few more lies uncovered.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/three-obama-adminstration-sequester-talking-points-that-were

  • 405. Alfie  |  March 3, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    In the spirit of the post title I would like to offer up another “wrong ball” we are fixating on.
    Stories and chatter abound about the recent GOP failures,he’ll within these very threads it has happened. Anyway the winning spin or at least one of them that is solidifying is about blacks and especially Latinos. The wrong ball we’re watching is the people and all the emotion tainted bullshit. What we should be far more concerned with is the rule of law and our sovereignty. We suck as a nation right now!

  • 406. Alfie  |  March 3, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Here’s another ball we are not watching and it has juice on many many levels.
    I for one was not aware of Chinese labor law. Yeah go figure. Anyway the unions in China are all tied to the Party. They take 2% of a companies money,it is earmarked for employee social activities. The unions are targeting the big 4 international accounting firms based in the PRC.
    Unions report to the Party. See a cycle?

  • 407. Noah  |  March 4, 2013 at 4:54 am

    Not a big fan of these are all. Just one more step into my chicken little world eh R?

    http://autos.aol.com/article/license-plate-cameras/?ncid=webmail6

  • 408. James  |  March 4, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Morning Examiner: “Obama’s campaign of pain” “For the perhaps the first time in the history of the United States, it is in the political interest of a president to inflict maximum pain on the American people. Obama could have spent the last sixteen months preparing to mitigate sequestration’s impact on the American people as any responsible manager would have. Instead, he has done the opposite, explicitly ordering government agencies not to prepare for the worst. And he has refused all Republican efforts to pass legislation that would minimize the sequester’s pain.”

    They have become so blatant their actions are hard to defend. Rutherford, a smart man who’s mind sometimes opens, is reduced to snapping from the fringes with comments such too many of us are reading the Drudge Report or losing the main content of the Obama-Woodward dispute. In fairness, his new job occupies much of his time.

    These things are hard to judge, but if Mort Zuckerman is right that our unemployment situation is much worse than it looks, Rutherford might be employed in a job that paid a higher salary if Obama was not president. Our outlook would even be better if Sarah Palin had won the White House.

    As noted before, liberal allies have temporally deserted the blog for one reason or another leaving Rutherford to defend his positions alone when time permits. I don’t think anyone could do it better than he. However, for the moment, we have won the high ground, but it is a pyhric victory.

  • 409. Noah  |  March 4, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    It is when things are at their worst that a persons true character is shown. R’s fellow Liberals have shown theirs. They have no possible defense, so they hide.

    It is a shame there is not one Liberal left able to carry on a conversation about these troubling times. Not one that can admit they were wrong about Obama. All full of bravado during the election, not one thing to contribute once the truth is reveled.

    Busy with work…maybe. Convenient timing for all of them…absolutely.

  • 410. Noah  |  March 4, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    Anyone else thinks this would be a great choice for our next President?

  • 411. Noah  |  March 4, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    ops forgot the link

  • 412. Noah  |  March 4, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    The National Emergency Centers Establishment Act is back in Congress and there is virtually no coverage of it. The bill reportedly is putting forth that the Department of Homeland Security shall establish no less than six emergency ce3nters on military installations within the borders of the United States.

    Many have expressed concern that these will end up amounting to no more than internment camps.

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/03/national-emergency-centers-establishment-act/

  • 413. James  |  March 4, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    MK Flash mob, Moscow, October 31, 2009 HD on YouTube, is an entertaining demonstration of what bunch of amateurs can do in two weeks.We do we, the Russians, and the Sioux Nation have in common?

  • 414. Noah  |  March 4, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Looks like the Aussies got it right.

    The committee heard that Australians were comfortable with multiculturalism and racial diversity, but an overwhelming number of people expressed concerns Muslims were not integrating and were coming to Australia to impose their values.

    http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/australia-no-room-for-sharia-law-in-multicultural-society/

  • 415. Rutherford  |  March 5, 2013 at 12:50 am

    I just want to make sure I understand, Noah. The Aussies got it right. Are you suggesting the US gets it wrong? If so, could you please point to me where in the US of A we have Sharia law ruling the day? If I’ve read too much into your comment, my apologies.

  • 416. Huck  |  March 5, 2013 at 1:22 am

    Between the music and the visuals, this gives me chills every time I watch it. (I hope the friggen embed works)

  • 417. Noah  |  March 5, 2013 at 11:02 am

    So I am wondering. What does DHS need with 2,700 armored vehicles and a billion hollow point bullets?

  • 418. poolman  |  March 5, 2013 at 11:47 am

    My question is broader but simpler. Why do we need DHS? To assist our rising fascist state? That’s all I come up with.

  • 419. poolman  |  March 5, 2013 at 11:51 am

    I like that video in 416. Too cool. If I were a youngster I would pursue that.

  • 420. poolman  |  March 5, 2013 at 11:59 am

    As others have stated, there is a dearth of liberals commenting here anymore. I guess when your elected liberal of choice turns out to be a full on fascist warmonger, it is difficult at best to maintain an ounce of credibility.

    I might have to peek in at M&H’s to see how they defend hypocrisy.

  • 421. Just a Lurker  |  March 5, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Here I thought you guys were still talking about Benghazi. After a couple of months of 24/7 investigation on your part; tell me how did it turn out? I must have missed all the heads that rolled over it.

    Talking about heads rolling how about this head?
    …”The portrait is riveting because we know what Cheney’s ascent led to: our seemingly irrevocable, full-blown security state, with all the attendant risks of constitutional and civil liberties abuses; wholesale destruction and civilian deaths in swaths of Afghanistan and Iraq; more than 6,500 dead and more than 50,000 wounded U.S. soldiers; the rise of remote-control warfare, now embodied by drones; and a relationship with the Arab and Muslim worlds arguably more antagonistic than ever before. The film has the dreadful fascination of a road trip you know ends in a car wreck”…

    We Are Living in the World Dick Cheney Made

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard-fineman/dick-cheney-documentary_b_2806670.html

  • 422. Huck  |  March 5, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    “I must have missed all the heads that rolled over it.”

    No heads are going to roll over Benghazi. They will just be redacted. Just like all of the information given by the most transparent administration in history.

    “Talking about heads rolling how about this head?”

    Does that mean you’d also like to see Obama’s head roll, since he has done nothing but double down on all of those policies?

    It’s funny that you mock us for being pissed off about Obama’s Benghazi lies, but you want the head of Dick Cheney for starting policies that Barack Obama has done nothing to change.

  • 423. Huck  |  March 5, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    And everyone, be sure and take notice…

    The 1 Obama fan (excluding Rutherford) that has posted here after weeks of collective silence still could not muster a shred of defense for Obama or his party.

    No defense for the lies about Benghazi, choosing instead to mock others about them.

    No defense for Obama’s drone policy, that continues to kill innocent civilians.

    No defense for Obama’s constitutional abuse policies, that continue to infringe on civil liberties.

    No defense for Obama’s kill list.

    Nope…just calls for the head of the former Vice President and jokes about bald-faced lies to the American people.

  • 424. Huck  |  March 5, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Speaking of Iraq….

    I wonder if this riveting documentary exposes the roll that Dick Cheney must have played in the Clinton Administration.

    The same administration that made it US policy to bring regime change in Iraq.

    The same administration that claimed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

    The same administration that said Saddam presented a threat to the region.

    I also wonder if this expose’, or those supporting it, dares to offer any speculation on what Iraq might look like had we not invaded it 10 years ago. Personally, when considering how many popular uprisings in the Middle East we have seen in that time, combined with Saddam’s prior reactions to similar uprisings, I think we’d be looking at something more along the lines of Syria than anywhere else.

    And what of the country and government we helped build in its place? The current Iraqi government is far from perfect, as is the current Iraqi society…but neither is ruled by Islamic extremists, which could potentially fill the power void that will eventually be created in Syria and Afghanistan, as it arguably has in the case of Libya…which you all so enjoy mocking us about.

    Any comments on any of that?

    I’m gonna go out on a limb, here, and guess that “no” is the answer to every question I’ve posed.

  • 425. Rutherford  |  March 5, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    FINALLY … a new post. Sorry it took so long!

  • 426. Huck  |  March 5, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    Don’t you dare apologize for prioritizing real life over this place, man. Hope all is well and glad to see a new post.

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