Don’t Be Angry at NRA: They’re Doing What They Do Best

December 21, 2012 at 3:04 pm 138 comments

semiautogunThe liberal media is ablaze this morning with righteous indignation that we’ve waited a week for the National Rifle Association (NRA) to come out with a statement about the Newtown, Connecticut tragedy and all we got was “more guns”. The mouthpiece for the organization, Wayne LaPierre says we need armed personnel in every school and he’s willing to help mobilize the posse.

Think about this a minute folks. When you think you’re going to die of a heart attack, do you expect your accountant to come forward and say he’ll perform open heart surgery on you? When you’re trying to limit your tax liability, do you expect your cardiac specialist to give you a good plan? Wayne LaPierre and the leadership of the NRA don’t know squat about loving your fellow-man, treating mental illness or positively influencing the many pressures in American society that drive people to the edge. Wayne and his leadership know how to blow your head off. So it is perfectly natural that when schools find themselves vulnerable to armed lunatics, Wayne offers his expertise. Expecting Wayne to advocate for gun control is like expecting a heart surgeon to advise a homeopathic remedy to blocked arteries.

Let’s be honest. I don’t like the idea of armed cop-wanna-be’s roaming the halls of our schools but IF that is the solution the American people want, who better to devise a plan than Wayne LaPierre and his organization? Plus, the NRA has an entire gun manufacturing industry behind them to provide the necessary “tools” to every Barney Fife out there who wants to protect your little ones.

So folks, don’t be angry at the NRA. They’re trying to help this situation the only way they know how: kill the killers before they kill you.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  • 2. heatherinbadweather  |  December 21, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    I respectfully disagree with you. If you ban guns, it will not stop evil people from committing crimes. At least a security guard could offer a bit more protection. Some people are saying that we should ban violent videos games, movies, etc. What would you do to fix this issue?

  • 3. Terrant  |  December 21, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    It is sad to see what the NRA has become. They used to be a reasonable organization that promoted reasonable and responsible gun ownership. Now, not so much.

  • 4. Just a Lurker  |  December 21, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    “LaPierre announced that former Rep. Asa Hutchison, R-Ark., will lead an NRA program that will develop a model security plan for schools that relies on armed volunteers.”

    Perhaps the “End of the World” should end today. I will be giving considerable thought as to why I gave up drinking. I need a break….see ya!

  • 5. Newt or no newt  |  December 21, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    The NRA is full of shit! http://www.upworthy.com/the-nra-thinks-more-guns-are-the-answer-bless-their-hearts-then-watch-this

  • 6. dead rabbit  |  December 21, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    I’m going to get slaughtered by my conservative brothers….well….if they still came here….but we need more cops.

    All high schools should have a permanent cop. We used to have one. It was huge for the security of the school.

    A city of of almost two thousand. A population density akin to Gaza. All the inhabitants teen agers. And no cop?

    Middle school also needs a cop.

    They also should have more cops patrolling the elementary schools.

    All competant administration should be trained with tazers.

    My school district “creates” massive paying positions for educrats far removed from the classroom feasting on tax dollars but cuts the police officer making 40 grand a year. It has already been a disaster.

  • 7. Newt or no newt  |  December 21, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    If you need that DR, you need more than a cop, you need a sharp shooter and would need to pay him accordingly. More than $40k/per year, I would think.

  • 8. PFesser  |  December 21, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    Nobody’s going to slaughter you, DR. Conservative does not (always) mean unreasonable or unwilling to listen. I am not a fan of a large police force; idle hands will always find things to do that don’t need doing; idle hands with authorization to use deadly force don’t make me feel any safer.

    You might note that we are now getting new posters; do you think they could possibly always have been there but afraid to offer an opinion?

    Welcome, Eternal Verity and hereinbadweather!

  • 9. Rutherford  |  December 21, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Rabbit, I have no idea why you think what you said would upset conservatives. Conservatives would sooner see cops in schools than see folks unable to buy semi-automatic rifles.

    And yes PF, isn’t it amazing what disinfecting the blog can do for more open communication? Of course I can’t take any credit for it … it was self-deportation at its finest.

  • 10. dead rabbit  |  December 21, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Come on guys….I always spoke my mind around Tex Tigre et al and have dissagreed with them numerous times.

    Rutherford, not Tex, has been the pathetically intellectuall dishonest one in the past.

  • 11. Rutherford  |  December 21, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Verity, I don’t usually like self promoting blog links in lieu of stating your opinion but I’ll let it go this time.

    Heather, welcome to the blog.

    One of the reasons I wrote this post with tongue partly in cheek is that I do believe LaPierre scored one (and only one) rhetorical bullseye. He asked why we defend our money (banks) and our sports fans (arenas) with armed guards but we don’t defend our children that way. Of course his logic is a bit faulty. Sports arenas are open to the general paying public as are shopping malls,etc. Those are environments in which there truly is zero ability to predict who might show up, so a security guard is sensible. We have (at least until recently) assumed our schools to be safe places with an expectation of who will and will not be on the premises. But for the fact that many of them are unlocked, they are not really open to the general public in the way that a sports arena is.

    That said, can one security guard with a standard issue revolver take down a well armed psycho with body armor? Is the environment of armed security perhaps making our kids nervous the right price to pay for security? I’m not entirely sure.

    I just think it’s hilarious that folks are outraged by LaPierre. Really, what did they expect?

    After listening to lots of alternatives in the open media debate, I favor a couple of things:

    1. Limit capacity of ammo clips sold to the general public.
    2. Close the gun show loophole.
    3. Take the absurd car/gun equivalency argument made by gun advocates and turn it on its head —

    a) No one gets to purchase a gun before proving proficiency in its use, and taking a written exam that demonstrates knowledge of current local gun laws (just like a drivers license).
    b) Background checks for EVERY gun buyer.
    c) Mandatory liability insurance for every gun owner.

  • 12. dead rabbit  |  December 21, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Cops in schools do not apply only to the extremely rare crazed gunman. Numerous reasons.

  • 13. dead rabbit  |  December 21, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    Why not liabilty insurance for bloggers?

  • 14. dead rabbit  |  December 21, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Take the liabilty insurance out and I would sign on. Poor people need to defend themselves too. To me, that is like a poll tax. Unconstitutional as fuck.

    I had a simple .22 that allowed me to take a shower with peace of mind when I was broke living in a ghetto studio apartment.

    Let be known…..all of that legislation won’t do shit. But…if it makes people feel better I don’t care.

  • 15. Rutherford  |  December 21, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    Come on guys….I always spoke my mind around Tex Tigre et al and have dissagreed with them numerous times.

    Actually, you haven’t but it isn’t because you’re a wuss. It’s because you usually agree with them.

    PF wasn’t referring to you. He was referring to folks who lurk here but were afraid to comment because Tex would cut them a new a-hole.

    As for “intellectual dishonesty”, what the hell does that really mean? When do I lie? Opinions can’t, by definition, be lies.

  • 16. Ken  |  December 21, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    Rutherford-

    Why put up the straw men? “…can one security guard with a standard issue revolver take down a well-armed psycho with body armor? Is the environment of armed security perhaps making our kids nervous the right price to pay for security?”

    Why in your scenario does it have to be some Barney Fife with a six-shooter? Why not a well-trained operator with a modern side arm? And who knows, maybe an AR at his/her disposal? Why do theses guards make “your” theoretical schoolchildren nervous? In my household, the police are heroes.

    So here’s my straw man: Do you think for one minute if we could retroactively offer this deal to any of the parents or relatives that lost someone “Some or all of the teachers/administrators at Sandy Hook will be armed” that ALL of them wouldn’t take it? People would give their right arm to put a gun in someone’s hand that could have used it.

    This isn’t a “more guns” argument. There are already enough guns; they’re just not in the right places. Gun Free Zones are advertisements to bad people that they will go unchecked.

    When have we witnessed a mass-shooter going to a gun range to take people out? Uh… never! Cowards go to the place of least resistance and where they can do the most damage. We deliver that place to them and openly advertise it.

    We think that because we are civilized people, that everyone else is. Note that the places with the most gun violence are also the same places that have the highest restrictions. The restrictions clearly do not work.

    Also, the idea that if this evil person needed to reload after 10 rounds, that it would have somehow reduced the number of victims shows an unfamiliarity with firearms. Swapping magazines (not “clips”) is so easily done, so as not to be a deterrent or some huge window through which the attacker will be thwarted.

    Florida will shortly pass the 1 million “active” Concealed Weapons Permit holders. Note that the crime rate for this population of people is 0.3%. Not 3 percent, zero-point-three percent. CCW holders are some of the most law-abiding people there are. Yes , there are anomalies and idiots, but that is not representative of the whole or average.

    The argument made by the left about more guns equaling more violence is easily disproven. We already know that there are as many guns as people in this country and look how infrequently these things occur. Yes, we could have the Pollyanna view that if this happens even once, that is too much. But that has no basis in reality and you’d have to offset it by all of the people who successfully defend themselves with firearms.

    Guns aren’t evil. People with guns aren’t evil. But evil people can get guns. <–That is the problem that must be solved — evil people getting guns, not people getting guns!

  • 17. Rutherford  |  December 21, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Why not liabilty insurance for bloggers?

    It may come to that some day for various reasons:

    1) Libel and slander accusations
    2) Perceived Incitements to criminal behavior

    Plenty of times I’ve gone through a scenario in my head where the FBI combs through this blog because one of you finally flipped a bit and then what liability do I have for giving you a forum?

  • 18. Ken  |  December 21, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    “As for “intellectual dishonesty”, what the hell does that really mean? When do I lie? Opinions can’t, by definition, be lies.”

    Opinion holders who ignore facts that would otherwise invalidate the opinion so that the holder of said opinion can cling on to it is intellectual dishonesty.

  • 19. Rutherford  |  December 21, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    So here’s my straw man: Do you think for one minute if we could retroactively offer this deal to any of the parents or relatives that lost someone “Some or all of the teachers/administrators at Sandy Hook will be armed” that ALL of them wouldn’t take it? People would give their right arm to put a gun in someone’s hand that could have used it.

    Ken lots to digest there but let me deal with your straw man.

    Some of the parents of the dead in Newtown were for gun control before the tragedy and are ten times more in favor of it after the tragedy. There is, I think, a reasonable fear among parents that their schools will start to resemble prisons if armed guards are patrolling the hallways.

    But I’ll repeat what I’ve said before. IF and only IF Americans are so enamored with a misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment to the extent that we cannot get legislation to curb gun possession and use, then I am in the “can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em” gang. Under those circumstances, I’d agree to have trained security in every school … not your “volunteer” with self delusions of Clint Eastwood but folks who really know what they’re doing …. AND particularly in elementary schools, folks who will not intimidate children inadvertently (i.e. they’ve been trained on how to interact with children, the same way a teacher is).

    In my household, the police are heroes.

    You and I will probably never agree on this but since I know you have children “of color”, the police should be viewed as people to avoid at all costs, which is why children of color should make damn sure to keep their nose clean. I teach my kid that a cop will help her … that it’s his job to help her … but heroes? No, I want her to have a healthy FEAR of the police.

    P.S. To the regulars here, without disclosing too much, Ken is a relative of mine. Yes, yes, you can offer him condolences. :-)

    P.P.S. Ken, seriously, Happy Holidays! ;-)

  • 20. Rutherford  |  December 21, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Opinion holders who ignore facts that would otherwise invalidate the opinion so that the holder of said opinion can cling on to it is intellectual dishonesty.

    Dead Rabbit, you owe Ken a beer. :-)

    Fact: weapons bans have curbed killing sprees in Australia.
    Fact: We are the most violent civilized nation on the globe and the pervasiveness of guns can’t be helping that.
    Fact: When is the last time you saw a headline that read “20 dead in mass stabbing”. I am aware of an incident in China a while back where a meat cleaver was used to great effect but that is by far the exception.

  • 21. Newt or no newt  |  December 21, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    Once again watch this video and then tell us you want to arm teachers. http://www.upworthy.com/the-nra-thinks-more-guns-are-the-answer-bless-their-hearts-then-watch-this

  • 22. Rutherford  |  December 21, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Oh, btw Ken in comment 18 you just described 90% of the staff at Fox News. :lol:

  • 23. PFesser  |  December 21, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Damn, Rutherford – This place is finally getting to be some fun.

  • 24. Rutherford  |  December 21, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    Newt that was a GREAT video. I’m sorry Upworthy didn’t post the rest of the story but the message was clear.

    This is what I mean by Barney Fife’s and Clint Eastwood wanna-be’s. Everyone thinks they can perform in a crisis just cos they’re good at the range or because they can blow the brains out of a defenseless deer.

    The cop shooting himself in the foot was priceless. Why in God’s name would he talk about a gun with little kids in the room and have the gun loaded?

  • 25. PFesser  |  December 21, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    “3. Take the absurd car/gun equivalency argument made by gun advocates”

    Where you stand depends on where you sit. I think they are quite instructive, myself. Both cars and automobiles provide a useful function. Both can be dangerous. Yes, guns kill in anger, cars do not; the effect is the same, isn’t it? Is a child deader or a parent more bereft either way? No to one, the other is arguable.

    The difference is that one kills dozens, on an irregular basis, the other one or two or five every day of the world – for a much greater overall toll.

    If you are a parent, where would YOU want the emphasis? Something that kills tens a year or something that kills hundreds?

    BTW, on the topic of self-exile. Hie ye over to you-know-where for the damnest circle-jerk of hyperbole and self-pity you ever saw. Nauseating. Disinfection is exactly the right word, I’m afraid…

  • 26. Rutherford  |  December 21, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Am I wrong or is this chained CPI being overblown?

    The chart talks about losses veterans and the elderly will take but these reductions effect cost of living increases, not negative changes to their base payments. It’s like telling employees “you will continue to get raises but they won’t be as large as they used to be”.

    What am I missing here?

  • 27. Rutherford  |  December 21, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Speaking of the elderly, there is an AARP commercial playing in my market in which a woman starts off by saying “I’m 65 and I have a long life ahead of me” and then she pitches an AARP Medicare supplement program. Every time she says “I’m 65 and I have a long life ahead of me” all I can think of to say is “then get the hell off Medicare and buy insurance like the rest of us.”

    I’m starting to become a major fan of means testing for a lot of our “entitlements”. It would probably go a long way toward saving a buck or two.

  • 28. Newt or no newt  |  December 21, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Check to see what medical insurance would cost for a sixty-five year old and you’d probably find your answer Rutherford. I think, but don’t know for sure, that it is even possible for a seventy year old to get insurance on the private market. The change in healthcare insurance might have changed all this, again I don’t know.

  • 29. Ken  |  December 21, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Sorry Newt and R. Anyone who points to that hack job piece of “journalism” has no clue about guns or concealed carry and doesn’t know when they are being lied to.

    The trained police officers ensured failure. 1) They put the students in oversized *clingy* clothes and gloves, ensuring snags 2) they had a trained officer conduct the assault 3) they put the “defender” front and center 4) the “attacker” new exactly where the defender was. “Proving” that CCW doesn’t work was EASY!

    Conduct the same test with an untrained assailant, who doesn’t even know that there is a defender (or that there may be multiple defenders), give the assailant the task of killing as many people as he can, allow the defender to sit anywhere he’d like, allow the defender to wear appropriate cover garments that would allow for a clean draw, and then watch the results.

  • 30. Ken  |  December 21, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    R- #22. Agreed. HATE Fox News!

  • 31. Ken  |  December 21, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    R- #20. Here are the actual facts associated with the Australian gun buyback of 96-98.

    http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html

    Also:

    “It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 — five years after enacting its gun ban — the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

    Even Australia’s Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:
    •In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
    •Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
    •Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

    Moreover, Australia and the United States — where no gun-ban exists — both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:
    •Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America’s rate dropped 31.7 percent.
    •During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
    •Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
    •Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
    •At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
    •Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

    While this doesn’t prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them, says the Examiner.”

    Source: Howard Nemerov, “Australia experiencing more violent crime despite gun ban,” D.C. Examiner, April 8, 2009.

    Figures lie and liars figure. Correlation Causation and all that. But, it’s not as tidy as you’d like it to be.

  • 32. Ken  |  December 21, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    And while I’m stirring the pot and annoying the anti-gun crowd:

    http://news.yahoo.com/video/zimmermans-attorney-releases-photo-234300210.html

    Still think it wasn’t self-defense!

    How this guy even has charges against him is beyond me!
    ;)

  • 33. Alfie  |  December 21, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    Rutherford your number 20 is a mess and does a disservice to the concept of honest discussion.

    I’ll see your Australia and raise you Switzerland. Explain that one to me buddy.

    As for our violent state. You are going off half cocked my boy. The gun doesn’t make one crazy or even crazier. It is however a regrettable truth that there is an obvious irreversibility of discharging a firearm towards a human.

    Lastly you make an empty minded statement regards the stabbing bit. I’d offer the UK and even Australia as an example of what you’re missing. There have been a number of studies that looked at the violence level of burglars,the most recent ones I delved into focused on US vs UK.
    Anyway….in the US burglars are less violent and more thoughtful/mindful about selecting targets.They are concerned about the “hardness” of their targets. The concept of armed “home invasion” and “car-jacking” is a different matter,a different mindset. This brings us to the UK. The hoodlums are less caring about their targets. This hinges primarily on two things. The threat of imprisonment which the US quite frankly rocks at and the potential to be shot by either a citizen or LEO. If i can dig up the study/pdf I’ll forward it to you.
    Long story short the mentality of folks is far and away the indicator you need to care about. the gun is a tool. it can be used for good or bad. IT’S absence does not necessarily curtail behaviors.

  • 34. Alfie  |  December 21, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    @ R 27…ummm given the premise of this post you be funny with your hatin’ on AARP.

  • 35. Huck  |  December 21, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    He has charges against him because an overzealous prosecutor needed to quell the national mob, headed by our president, all of whom sure have been quiet on this issue lately.

  • 36. Alfie  |  December 21, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    @ Rutherford 19….seems to be a bit of conflict in the head and heart of the host. Wasn’t more than 3-5 posts ago he actually applauded NYC “Stop & Frisk”within the thread.

  • 37. PFesser  |  December 21, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Ken – When the gun ban started in Australia, the NRA aired a one-hour special on TV. As I watched the show, I called up the NRA number and, having never been a member before, ponied up I think around $750 for a lifetime membership. It was tough; I wasn’t working at the time, but I was so appalled by what I saw that I found the money somewhere.

    About ten years ago a couple of Aussie doctors bounced me to teach them how to shoot. It was a brother/sister team. We went to my dad’s old homeplace and shot most of the afternoon. It was eyeopening to talk to them. There is apparently a cottage industry in Australia in manufacturing plastic gun safes that you can bury. You fill them with motor oil and drop your guns in. There is a whole science about how deep you have to bury the safe to avoid detection.

    The only thing that stops the socialists and fascists from doing the same here is the NRA and its 4M members. Others may criticise us, but it is we who will protect them when the goon squads come.

  • 38. Noah  |  December 21, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    “That said, can one security guard with a standard issue revolver take down a well armed psycho with body armor? Is the environment of armed security perhaps making our kids nervous the right price to pay for security? I’m not entirely sure.”

    I will never understand why the Liberal argument is that if it is not a fool proof, perfect solution, then it is no good.

  • 39. Noah  |  December 21, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    “c) Mandatory liability insurance for every gun owner.”

    Anyone surprised that the Liberal solution would be to have a fee, that effects the poor the most, that helps fund big government?

  • 40. Noah  |  December 21, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    A little humor appropriate to the topic and the day.

    &

  • 41. dead rabbit  |  December 21, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    I might be wrong. But I’m guessing Rutherford will skip Ken’s Australia facts. Ouch.

  • 42. Newt or no newt  |  December 22, 2012 at 12:11 am

    Ken’s Australia facts looks speciously different than some I read a couple of days ago. Wonder if this is another case of conservatives having their own set of ‘facts’? By the way, I don’t believe anyone here is against guns per se, just assault weapons in the possession of civilians.

  • 43. Noah  |  December 22, 2012 at 12:49 am

    Prove it newtie

    3 Politically Incorrect Facts About Gun Control:

    No matter how loud the Brady Campaign screams, the following facts won’t go away:

    1. We already tried an assault weapons ban. It failed. The US had an assault weapons ban (that was unconstitutional http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/second-amendment/ ) when the Columbine school shooting occurred. Apparently, people who spend a year planning on killing as many people as possible are fine with breaking the law.

    2. UK’s gun ban completely backfired. The UK banned handguns in 1997. They now lead Europe in violent crime, and even have more crime than South Africa and North America. Oops?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

    3. The media ignored two stories last week. There were 3 murder rampages in the US last week. Two were in regular parts of the country — they were both stopped almost instantly with an armed citizen. The other was in a gun-free zone… and that’s when 20+ people were killed.
    Larry Pratt, from Gun Owners of America, said the following:

    “The only thing accomplished by gun free zones is to insure that mass murderers can slay more before they are finally confronted by someone with a gun.”

    A citizen with a gun stopped a rampage in Texas last week.

    A citizen with a gun stopped a rampage in Oregon last week.

    But in the “gun-ban zone” of a school, a shooter was able to take his time as he killed as many kids as he wanted before taking his own life. The police were too far away.

    See the difference? This is all in one week.

  • 44. dead rabbit  |  December 22, 2012 at 1:06 am

    Newt, the crux of Ken’s argument was simple and undeniable. The murder rate went way down in Austrelia. It also went way down in America. Thus, anyone using Austrelia as some gun control poster boy is full of bull shit.

  • 45. dead rabbit  |  December 22, 2012 at 1:11 am

    I still can’t get this shooting out of my mind.

  • 46. dead rabbit  |  December 22, 2012 at 1:17 am

    The worst part is when its all said and done, there isnt a damn thing that can be done if our young men decide they want to slaughter first graders. In order to have any sembelence of community, we have to run on the assumption that men don’t slaughter little tikes. There is nothing the NRA, Nancey Pelosi, the police or teachers can do if we live in a society where people elect to do something so evil. Little defenseless kids, man. Fuck.

  • 47. Noah  |  December 22, 2012 at 2:37 am

    I’ve not let myself watch any news or read anything on the shooting after day 2. Just can’t do it. Once I started seeing the pictures of the kids and teachers, I looked at each one once and I had to stop.

  • 48. Huck  |  December 22, 2012 at 2:48 am

    Last semester I was in a conflict studies class and my assigned term paper topic was on the conflict in Yemen. As part of the project, we were supposed to link together scenarios that would take our conflicts along particular paths.

    My path to conflict escalation included a successful terrorist attack by Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula against America. I ended up writing it as an attack using airplanes. But when I first wrote it up, I wrote it as an attack against…

    …an elementary school.

  • 49. Rutherford  |  December 22, 2012 at 3:51 am

    It’s late and I have to get to bed but Ken’s answer stretches the point too far. I was not quoting Australian stats on gun violence. I was quoting stats on mass-killings, i.e. cases where a dude shoots up a crowd of victims. In that case, and that case alone, the problem which had plagued Australia basically disappeared after gun control was implemented.

    That does not contradict anything Ken said about gun control and general gun related violence.

    (I share Newt’s skepticism regarding conservative alternate reality but since I’m not willing to do the research at 1:49am I’ll just go with it for the time being.)

  • 50. Rutherford  |  December 22, 2012 at 3:54 am

    Alfie, not sure what you mean in 36 regarding conflict. I can easily say in one breath that cops are to be feared, especially by minorities and in the same breath concede that the only way to get illegal gun possession under control in NYC may very well be stop and frisk.

    In fact, as I suggested to Ken, that is all the more reason for a brother to not be carrying — cos the cops are gonna pull him over anyway. Keep that nose clean!!!!

  • 51. Rutherford  |  December 22, 2012 at 3:58 am

    Although it IS interesting, come to think of it, that no one looks at NYC stop and frisk and suggests that it violates people’s 2nd amendment rights. If we implemented stop and frisk in Texas, would we not get a cry of police intimidation against folks simply exercising their 2nd amendment right? Interesting double standard.

  • 52. PFesser  |  December 22, 2012 at 5:52 am

    “By the way, I don’t believe anyone here is against guns per se, just assault weapons in the possession of civilians.”

    You are allowing ignorance about guns to make you vulnerable to the left-wing media hype.We have been through this before. There is operationally practically no difference between “assault weapons” and semi-automatic high-powered rifles that have been available for decades. They both fire once when you pull the trigger. “Assault” rifles available to the public are just military style in that they don’t have wood stocks and a few other minimal differences. Both can accommodate large ammo clips. It’s like the “fiscal cliff.” The name has little or no bearing on the actuality; it was chosen for emotional effect. Seems to work.

    Real military rifles (AR-15 – United States, AK-47 – Russian) have the capability of fully automatic fire. They are not the same guns widely available to the public. Yes you can get them, but it is a big, big process.

  • 53. PFesser  |  December 22, 2012 at 6:10 am

    Amazing holes:

    http://www.binscorner.com/pages/5/5-amazing-holes.html

  • 54. Raji  |  December 22, 2012 at 8:50 am

    I agree with DR that armed security in the schools especially middle and high school is a good deterrent all around not just for outside crazies. If you add them to elementary school, they will be part of the scenery and the children will accept them.
    However, do keep in mind the security our Presidents have and it didn’t stop crazies from killing Kennedy or the attempt to kill Reagan.
    DR@46 Sad but true!
    PF@52, well said and something I stated before. Do not make judgement calls regarding guns until you learn the differences. Ignorance is no excuse but many who will determine gun control law are ignorant.
    As far the NRA goes, the NRA will do whatever it needs to do that is in it’s best interest.

  • 55. Raji  |  December 22, 2012 at 8:57 am

    R@27 “I’m 65 and I have a long life ahead of me” all I can think of to say is “then get the hell off Medicare and buy insurance like the rest of us.”

    Guess what Rutherford, if you don’t sign up for Medicare when you are eligible you get the s**t fined out of you if and when you finally do! You have to pay a penalty for every year you didn’t sign up.

  • 56. dead rabbit  |  December 22, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Nasty….was catching up on comments and just learned you have unsheathed weiner. TMI dude. TMI.

  • 57. dead rabbit  |  December 22, 2012 at 9:04 am

    The last comment was for Pfessor…

  • 58. Raji  |  December 22, 2012 at 9:16 am

    R@26 The chained CPI is another formulation Congress is considering using instead of the Cost of Living formula now used to adjust Social Security increases. Using CPI will result in a lower increase. However, if inflation stays steady there are no increases such as in 2010. There was an increase in 2011 and a small one for 2012 which amount to about $21 a month for the average Social Security recipient receiving $1240. If Social Security does give an increase it then also increases the amount of the Medicare premium so it’s almost a wipe out. The reasoning behind CPI is if the cost of living goes up people cut back on what products they buy so they are not really being effected by inflation or at least this is what Congress now wants us to think. Frankly the increases in the past couple of years have been so small that it is actually a negative effect on Social Security funds but does enhance the Medicare funds because as I said one cannot increase without the other.

  • 59. James  |  December 22, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Newt, I have wondered about you because things haven’t added up.The landscape looked too familiar. I mentioned it here with no response. I’m not angry at you now, but just so you know. I know who you are with another pen name. I won’t tell if you don’t.

  • 60. James  |  December 22, 2012 at 10:35 am

    I agree with “keep your nose clean” Rutherford. Racial profiling does exist. However, the community can work to change its culture. North Omaha, a notoriously violent place tried to fix itself twenty or so years back. A group of men called Mad Dads patrolled the streets eacn night and got to know the young people who hung out. They worked with the police, but they difussed some disputes independently.

    I demonstrated on another blog that comparing another country to ours is risky. Someone cited the UK which, if I recall, Newt has visited, I proved that the violent crime rate rose after strict gun purchase laws passed after a massacre around 1997. I also showed that crime rate could have resulted from social and economic discord after new immigrants moved in from central Europe. Therefor, the comparison was bogus.

    Ragi speaks the truth about Medicare and probably Social Security.

    Advisors wanted to put JFK behind a plastic bubble when he rode in motercades. He replied that if someone really wants to kill you, there is no escape. Life is risky. Things happen. We can take steps to minimise the risk, but death is always stalkin us. Too many people are reacting with emotions when we need cool thought based on facts.

  • 61. James  |  December 22, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Armed securty guards are fine and may be a solution. However,I remember our son’s first job. . NCS Pearson had a government contract to test and sellect security people for airports and other guards under the new law in 2002. Many of them are probably still working at our air ports.

    Pearson workers were threatened, and the job was considered potentially risky. Terrorism was still a fear so close to 911. To insure safety, employees lived at the work site. People tested were sometimes detained for several hours until the results of their initial tests were known.

    The company hired armed guards, but our son told us one man said if there was trouble, he would be out the door before the folks he was charged to protect.

  • 62. Noah  |  December 22, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    “I was not quoting Australian stats on gun violence. I was quoting stats on mass-killings, i.e. cases where a dude shoots up a crowd of victims. In that case, and that case alone, the problem which had plagued Australia basically disappeared after gun control was implemented.”

    Here is the problem. Even though Rutherford was able, reluctantly, admit that his solution might impact one type of crime, he and others like him would still run with legislation that would implement this action despite the fact that almost all other areas of gun crimes rise, impacting the innocent harshly, just to further his own cause. This total disregard what is best for us as a society is why I do not trust R or any Liberal.

    I also note that R chose not to engage, as was predicted, any of Ken’s points. When in doubt, distract, dismiss, then ignore.

    “Although it IS interesting, come to think of it, that no one looks at NYC stop and frisk and suggests that it violates people’s 2nd amendment rights. If we implemented stop and frisk in Texas, would we not get a cry of police intimidation against folks simply exercising their 2nd amendment right? Interesting double standard.”

    This is the worst kind of argument, but the mainstay of Liberal tactics. This argument assumes a premise. Then based on that assumption it finds fault with its intended target and then assumes again a response by said target. He then passes judgement on said target without having had anyone even broached the subject in the first place.

    This is why I prefer the non responsive Rutherford best. He purposefully muddles the conversation with dishonest tactics, falsehoods, and baseless assumptions that take a handful paragraphs to unravel just to begin to address the points honestly. I think he banks on people just giving up and then by default assumes his argument valid as it goes undisputed.

  • 63. Terrant  |  December 22, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    I can’t see how we can even get meaningful comparison between different countries given that each have different cultures and histories. Some countries with lots of guns have lots of violence while you have Switzerland that does not. Then you have countries where guns were banned but that was not enough. For example, they regulate knives in similar manner in UK (also hope any blunt object you might be carrying is for playing cricket).

    Personally, I cannot help but to think that guns are being used as a scapegoat especially if you consider the Switzerland example. Banning scary looking guns is not going fix the underlying root cause of gun violence. At best, it will only be a band-aid fix that would only mitigate some situations. Unfortunately, addressing these underlying issues is going to require cooperation between the Democrats and Republicans and a major cultural shift; something that I don’t see happening in my lifetime.

    The vast majority of gun crime does not involve the scary looking guns. Loughner, Hasan, Roeder, and Page did not use scary looking guns. While Holmes did have an AR-15, it jammed and most of his damage was done with a shotgun. Let’s not forget all of the gang violence. Gangs don’t typically use scary looking guns as they are hard to conceal.

    Think about this for a moment, if you get down to basics, what is the difference between an AR-15 and let’s say a Nylon-66 (hunting rifle)? Granted, they use different caliber and have different ammo capacity. The basics of the two are the same; each pull of the trigger fires one shot and chambers the next. However, in the previous ban, the AR-15 was illegal but the equivalents of the Nylon-66 were. Just because one looked scary and the other didn’t. The criteria just did not make sense.

    On the flip side though, what legitimate purpose, rooted in reality and not part of some delusion of grandeur, does civilian ownership of the AR-15 or anything that is capable of shooting a .50 BMG have? I can think of only one; recreational target shooting. I would like to hear more opinions on that.

    Although, one would have to wonder given incidents in our country’s history such as Whiskey Rebellion, Harper’s Ferry, Lincoln County War,… if this has always been a problem.

  • 64. Noah  |  December 22, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    http://thesouthern.com/news/local/article_cf15492c-ad09-11de-a362-001cc4c03286.html

    This is an example of what gun control does to innocents.

  • 65. Newt or no newt  |  December 22, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    I think we have to look at all of the suggestions and make improvements, media, mental health, assault rifles, and armed guards. But in life, we accept certain risks, because we cannot fix everything. I am very concerned for the young survivors, 6 and 7 are very young to experience such a terrible trauma. Poor little kids.

  • 66. Huck  |  December 22, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    “Although it IS interesting, come to think of it, that no one looks at NYC stop and frisk and suggests that it violates people’s 2nd amendment rights. If we implemented stop and frisk in Texas, would we not get a cry of police intimidation against folks simply exercising their 2nd amendment right?”

    Seeing as Nanny Bloomberg won’t even let you buy a 16 ounce soda anymore, it really isn’t fair to compare NY to any place else when it comes to the subject of freedoms.

    Without knowing anything about “stop and frisk,” I can see multiple constitutional issues, including 2nd and 4th amendment violations.

  • 67. James  |  December 22, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    I agree with Newt 65. Terrant 64 also raises an interesting point–insurrection.

    The United States has a potential army of gun owners, and I believe our founding fathers took the possible need to remove a domestic of foreign tyrany into account when they gave us the second amendment. An invading army would meet resistance it otherwise would escape.

    Thus, the citizenry should be armed. We have seen how effective poorly armed guerillas can be.

    The cultural divide is understandable. Many urban dwellers only real experience with fire arms is news stories of gang warfare and mass murders.,

    The NRA is getting thousand of new members, local news stations tell us guns are selling faster than demand allows. Many of the new customers are women.

  • 68. Noah  |  December 22, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    During eulogy for war hero senator, Obama refers to himself 63 times…Obama Uses Funeral Service to Talk About Himself

    President Barack Obama used the funeral for Hawaii senator Daniel Inouye to talk about himself. In the short 1,600 word speech, Obama used the word “my” 21 times, “me” 12 times, and “I” 30 times.
    Self absorbed much?

  • 69. dead rabbit  |  December 22, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    I do find it ironic that the NRA is bashing the 1st amendment in defending the second. Not that I disagree, I think these new video games are dangerous for the deranged to play all night.

    As for the NRA to claim it will help defend schools, what the hell is it claiming…they can be converted into a pseudo militia?

    I call bull shit on that one. They need to put their own house in order and put some pressure on the marketing of guns and ammo as toys. Zombie rounds sold in a halloween like package is not healthy. At the range I go to, they sell all these shirts with references to killing zombies. Mental masturbation about head shots without consequence is fucked up. Gun culture has changed. The NRA should be ok with calling out facets of this culture that are not cool.

    Maybe they are. I don’t know.

  • 70. Noah  |  December 22, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Copied from another blog…
    I had a conversation with a person in my town who is a avowed communist. He explained to me that the main reason to taking away publicly owned guns from the populace was to insure that a properly run socialist Government could be able to conduct business without dissension. He explained that things would run smoother that way and all the necessary things that the Government had to do to make life applicable to the running of the state could occur. He said that history has shown that there would be a certain hard core element that would resist but that would be handled by the state security. I asked him if removing guns from the public would make the his state safer. He answered sure if you follow the rules. The whole time we discussed this he did not even bring up Connecticut! I left that conversation with a deep fear in my heart. My fear is that the deck is stacked against us. We have a horrendous fight in front of us. If we do not take back congress in 2014. We will lose our rights and be forced to uphold the rights of the state.

  • 71. PFesser  |  December 22, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Noah @ 70

    From My Cold Dead Hands – Charlton Heston

  • 72. poolman  |  December 22, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Rules and regulations are not solutions and always erode free choice. Basic morals – dos and don’ts – are for teaching and PRACTICING.

    Often we think we are setting standards for moral behavior by passing regulation, when it only serves to give the state more power over our choices. It often serves to confuse and delay real justice. It places enforcement in others control. In this way we can justify the bad choices the state makes on our behalf, even when evil and immoral. ‘We’ murder daily, as part of this collective.

    By giving over power to others you are beholden and controlled. Period. Mankind is not all good and power is always abused in his hand. Even the white-washed history we are taught shows that as fact.

    The root is still man’s heart condition. Evil cannot be regulated by good laws. It boils down to good and evil and that is the weighing in of choices within each individual’s inner own self-decider place.

    There is a solution. It is a universal concept and also know commonly as the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It is the extreme for responsible and free.

    I do not like a state where armed guards are a normalcy. Unfortunately, that IS where we are already. Our government is armed with way more than we citizens are. That should scare anyone. And, WE are intensely surveilled. All this at OUR expense and doing and sold as ‘security’. Pffffffft

    This has become one hell of an amusing ride, I must say. I look forward to this new season.

  • 73. Just a Lurker  |  December 22, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    “the main reason to taking away publicly owned guns from the populace was to insure that a properly run socialist Government could be able to conduct business without dissension.”

    Will work for a Plutacracy, Oligarchy or Corporatocracy as well….but first they have to get rid of the Democrats. They are doing their damnest to accomplish that now.

  • 74. dead rabbit  |  December 22, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    I agreed to be Santa for a bunch of little kids from my old hood. I’m nervous as fuck. No wonder St. Nick always has a flask on him.

    That being said, I think I have an awesome Santa shtick going. Been practicing in my truck driving to work like a weirdo.

  • 75. Huck  |  December 22, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Enjoy and have a Merry Christmas.

  • 76. Huck  |  December 22, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    That little angel brings tears to my eyes when I hear her sing….

  • 77. Ken  |  December 22, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    The NRA is a joke and they’ve yet to get any of my money and they probably never will. The only organization and mouthpiece worth listening to right now is the GOA and Pratt.

    The NRA exists to grow the NRA. It is unfortunate that they are the largest, so therefore get the most members, money, and attention, but they are by far the worst pro-gun organization out there.

    If you belong to the NRA you really should look at joining GOA. Just watch the Piers Morgan interview with Pratt from the GOA and then compare it with the pathetic press conference by LaPierre.

    Oh, and how rude of me… Merry Christmas to you and yours, R!

  • 78. dead rabbit  |  December 22, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    Ken….you are kin of Rutherford?

  • 79. Raji  |  December 22, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    DR I bet you make a great Santa. Wishing all a very Merry Christmas in the spirit of St. Nicholas as the spirit of Christmas is what the season is all about whether you are a believer in Christ or not. It’s what is in your heart that counts.

  • 80. Terrant  |  December 22, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Have to agree with Lurker (73) about Noah (70). Any highly authoritative government will want to take guns from the populace. It does not matter if it is socialist, communist, plutocratic, corporate, fascist, and so on.

  • 81. Ken  |  December 22, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    For your viewing pleasure:

    In the words of Jackie Mason, “anybody who’s in favor of gun control is a F^%ing moron!”

    DR @78, yes, yes I am. (through marriage, not blood). ;)

  • 82. Noah  |  December 22, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    “Have to agree with Lurker (73) about Noah (70). Any highly authoritative government will want to take guns from the populace. It does not matter if it is socialist, communist, plutocratic, corporate, fascist, and so on.”

    You will note that I did not at any point make any claims to exclusivity to the notion presented. Nor does it detract from the central point.

  • 83. Ken  |  December 22, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    And for your reading pleasure:

    http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/2058168-Lt-Col-Dave-Grossman-to-cops-The-enemy-is-denial/

    And Dave Grossman is no joke, his reputation precedes him. I highly recommend any of his books, especially “On Killing”.

  • 84. Just a Lurker  |  December 22, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Ken –
    “The argument made by the left about more guns equaling more violence is easily disproven. We already know that there are as many guns as people in this country and look how infrequently these things occur.”

    I am just curious. Were there as many gun murders (or shot but not killed) – individuals or mass – in the 40, 50, 60, 70, 80’s as there seems to be today? Were there like numbers of children being kill or injured accidently by guns as there are today? Were there “suicide by cops” back then? Aside from the big cities, hunting accidents and gangsters/mob.

  • 85. Just a Lurker  |  December 22, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Ooops – Were there as many guns by percentage??? of the population as now.

  • 86. PFesser  |  December 22, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    Ken….you are kin of Rutherford?

    “DR @78, yes, yes I am. (through marriage, not blood).”

    More importantly than kin, for THIS discussion, Ken is of the same ken.

  • 87. PFesser  |  December 22, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    Ken@81 – I watched it from end to end. BRAVO! BRAVO!

  • 88. Ken  |  December 23, 2012 at 12:02 am

    Lurker@84-

    I tried, but I dont know that I can find that info. The FBI only seems to show records going back to ’95 and it really isn’t categorized by gun crimes. I could only find data going back to ’87 on the DOJ site.

    However, the National Criminal Justice Service produced a study of the 10 years of the AW Ban: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/204431.pdf

    Section 1 tells you all you need to know.

    Let the cognitive dissonance, intellectual dishonesty, and the fallacy of misleading vividness begin anew!
    ;)

  • 89. dead rabbit  |  December 23, 2012 at 12:03 am

    My damn beard kept falling off. Other then that I nailed it. There must have been 30 kids. They gave me a naughty/nice list which was pretty funny. Each kid had something he did nice and something he needed improvement on. The weird part is my shtick turned something resembling a Jewish comedian when it was one on one conversation.

    A couple buddies ( its these two big families I grew up with) weren’t told who Santa was other then they know his identity. I haven’t seen these guys in maybe 8 years and they knew it was me instantly. No bank robbing as Santa for me.

  • 90. Ken  |  December 23, 2012 at 12:30 am

    Here are some good numbers from the DOJ, “on average per year in 1987-92, about 62,200 Victims of violent crime, about 1% of all victims of violence, used a firearm to defend themselves.”

    62,000 people per year DEFENDED themselves from violent crime (homicide, rape, robbery, and assault) with a firearm!

    Why doesn’t this trump the rare, but horrible, mass shooting (which themselves have the possibility of being ended by a law abiding gun owner)? Misleading vividness is why.

    Source: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/gc.pdf

  • 91. dead rabbit  |  December 23, 2012 at 12:49 am

    Rutherford…..I would say cry uncle….but I suspect Ken is your brother in law. He is making mince meat out of you….

  • 92. thorsaurus  |  December 23, 2012 at 3:07 am

    Merry Christmas to all at the R blog.

  • 93. Rutherford  |  December 23, 2012 at 3:27 am

    This one is my Christmas gift to Ken, Rabbit and Pfesser: http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

    The dude is loooooong winded but he does make a thorough case for opposing gun control.

    I’m still not happy but hey, that’s just me.

  • 94. Rutherford  |  December 23, 2012 at 3:27 am

    Merry Christmas to you too Thor!

  • 95. Rutherford  |  December 23, 2012 at 3:28 am

    LOL … Rabbit you’re funny. Only Ken and I know for sure. ;-)

  • 96. Rutherford  |  December 23, 2012 at 3:37 am

    The only organization and mouthpiece worth listening to right now is the GOA and Pratt.

    OMG!!!! Pratt??? You can’t find a better spokesperson for the cause than Pratt?

    Here’s the deal, I’ve seen him interviewed three times. Once by Piers Morgan, once by some other news anchor and once by Chris Matthews. Only in the Matthews interview (which I think I posted earlier in this thread or in the previous one) does he show his true colors and admit he wants guns to protect himself from our tyrannical government.

    Isn’t it curious that Obama’s election AND reelection sparked a huge rise in gun sales despite the fact he has been a major disappointment to the anti-gun contingent?

    The folks who say “they’re coming to take our guns” are loonies and Pratt is one of the chief loonies!

  • 97. Rutherford  |  December 23, 2012 at 3:38 am

    Another night going to bed way too late but I had to spend some time pouring over that gift I left for Ken etal at 93.

  • 98. Raji  |  December 23, 2012 at 8:36 am

    There are good people out there!

    The Westboro Baptist Church went to picket the funerals of the fallen children of the heinous shooting. Proclaiming it was “gods” judgement due to the state sta…nding up for gay marriage. Well, they came face to face with hundreds of Hells Angels. The bikers formed a human wall blocking Westboro from entering. Needless to say, the disrespectful haters backed down.

    Those bikers always follow Westboro though, they rev their motor cycle engines to drown out the shouts. most of them are military veterans.. They call themselves the Patriot Guard

  • 99. James  |  December 23, 2012 at 9:38 am

    Speak for yourself, Rutherford when you write until recently we thought our schools were safe. I was in eighth grade when seniors over did initiation on a freshman. He got mad, left school, and returned with a gun to kill the senior class.

    It took our superintendent two hours to talk the student down. He never called the sheriff, but he chewed the kid out and put him on in house detention which seemed to last forever.

    Our superintendent was a huge man–almost seven feet tall. He was a WW11 veteran who had seen one too many battle and he was like a bomb ready to explode. Everyone feared him, but he was fair. We need more teachers like him.

  • 100. James  |  December 23, 2012 at 9:48 am

    The Patriot Gard has been active around here too. They are good folks.

    I think people are not so afraid Obama will take their guns. They fear some of the people he has hired. They may also believe Obama is waiting until it becomes politically advantageous to restrict gun ownership. Obama did say he disagreed with the Supreme Court ruling on guns in Washington DC.

    Many people know that if they want to survive a dangerous situation, it is their responsibility, not the police’s to save them.

    Insurrection is also a concern for an unknown number of people.

    It is an emotional counter reaction to the anti gun emotions which are often not based on facts. We heard a rumor that aluminum foil was going to be scarce, so we bought more. So did millions of other people. it is the same uncertainity principal working with gun owners , and perffectly understandable.

  • 101. James  |  December 23, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Merry Christmas to thor and everyone else.

  • 102. Raji  |  December 23, 2012 at 9:54 am

    R@93 Thank you for the link to that article. It is a must read for everyone.

  • 103. Noah  |  December 23, 2012 at 10:49 am

    “The folks who say “they’re coming to take our guns” are loonies and Pratt is one of the chief loonies!”

    Really? Agree with your position, or our mental stability is in question? It is a shame this is the best you have, but encouraging their is no position of merit you can take on this topic.

  • 104. dead rabbit  |  December 23, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Raji, the Patriot Guard started in my home town! At my Legion Post!

    I noticed you called them Hell’s Angels. If they were Hells Angels they weren’t the PG.

  • 105. Raji  |  December 23, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    DR, the article I read referred to “Hell’s Angels” and then the PG. Maybe that’s what they look like to Westboro :-) I’ve also met a lot of Hell’s Angels and can see them joining the Patriot Guard when needed.

  • 106. dead rabbit  |  December 23, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Rutherford, what does the Spokane Dandy do every time gun patrol comes up? Links to the Melt the Guns song. There are plenty of liberals who only want their beloved, decadent government lording over us unarmed clucks. Plenty.

    So, after getting your dick kicked with very legitimate debate, the only thing you got is calling Pfessor crazy becuase he responds to the likes of Thor with a phrase about cold dead hands?

    There is a wing of progressives coming for our guns. Calling those who respond to that as crazy while skipping any conversation on the nature of guns that you want to ban or actual data driven stats on gun related death is…..rrrrrrabbit drum rrrrrrrolll…intellectually dishonest!

  • 107. dead rabbit  |  December 23, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Raji….

    Yeah….you are probably correct.

  • 108. Alfie  |  December 23, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Rutherford “Stop & Frisk” was created under a ruse of getting guns off the street.That really is the only Constitutional grounds it ever had going for it and it was weak as it was placebo reactive. Then again that is classic Blue State politics.
    In reality S&F has and always will be nothing more than a regime tactic to pad funding rolls secondary to the “War on Drugs”. Sadly the other truth is this; it makes it clear who the biggest gang in town is.
    btw the NYPD actually has t-shirts proclaiming this point.

  • 109. Alfie  |  December 23, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Merry Christmas and best wishes for a Happy and Safe New Year to all here. Alfie

  • 110. dead rabbit  |  December 23, 2012 at 1:31 pm

  • 111. Ken  |  December 23, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    R@93. Great link. It must have hurt to post it. :D

  • 112. Just a Lurker  |  December 23, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Wishing you and your families a very peaceful Happy Holiday.

  • 113. PFesser  |  December 23, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    I never really understood Holidays depression, and I guess I still don’t. This week I’ve had the time to do some thinking about times past, though; maybe the holidays produce too much free time to do too much thinking.

    I think of my mother and father, both long gone now, who shouldn’t have had kids so late in life, my older brother – a fine, fine man, my two oldest sibs, both now losing their independence and terrified about the possibilities of nursing homes. My other brother, who wouldn’t listen about smoking – now dead from lung cancer – his friends who used to come to the old homeplace and drink liquor by the roaring coal stove in his workshop – dead now, but so vivid in memory that they could walk through the door this very night and I’d think nothing amiss. The old homeplace, the home built by my grandfather with hand tools, hand-planed boards – long before electricity – built upon stones hand-split from that damnably dense local sandstone. Pulling my sled through the snow, working thousand-piece picture puzzles for something to do in the snowy weather around Christmas. Selling Christmas trees to make ends meet, but never, ever feeling deprived. My best friend, killed at the Upper Big Branch mine explosion April two years ago. My mom’s sister, whose 1942 Zenith radio my son and I are now restoring. My grade school – so very, very good – and the teachers who worked there and weren’t afraid to hug me when I needed it and paddle my ass when I needed that, too. The mine that took a chance on hiring me to work underground in the summers so I could put enough money away to go to college. So many good things lost, so many shitty times and shitty people – most of whom I’m related to – there now to replace them. Like Albania on steroids.

    No, this is a good time to reflect, and to appreciate those in your family who bust their humps to make your life a little better. And special thanks to Rutherford, who does all the work to provide this place for us to show our asses and make fools of ourselves – none more than I.

    Peace be upon you all.

  • 114. Rutherford  |  December 23, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    “R@93. Great link. It must have hurt to post it. :D

    Now I wouldn’t want to be accused of intellectual dishonesty, now would I? ;-)

  • 115. dead rabbit  |  December 24, 2012 at 1:26 am

    So, I’m in the market for a winter coat. I want my old Navy issue arctic parka but can’t find them. My search brought me to a brand named Canada Goose. I never heard of the brand before and later learned they are some sort of status symbol that go for 700 bucks a pop.

    They looked warm as fuck to me. I ended up finding all these sites selling them for 70 percent off. Having been ripped off from almost every single scam in my life, I was skeptical. Did some more research and it turns out the dirty Chinks are counterfeiting the coats. Here’s the catch. The parkas aren’t just lower quality with a fake brand name. The fuckers are stuffed with nasty, unclean chicken feathers. They are a health hazard!

    The kicker…most people are walking around with these things. There are more fakes then real deals!

  • 116. Huck  |  December 24, 2012 at 2:02 am

    These last couple days gives us a sense what it must be like at Rutherford’s house during the holiday family get-togethers!

  • 117. Rutherford  |  December 24, 2012 at 2:30 am

    Contrary to what many might expect, especially old Tigre, I am knocking my “Think Again: How to Reason and Argue” online course offered by Duke University and UNC-Chapel Hill out of the park. So far I’m running roughly an A-. I think there are two reasons I’m doing well:

    1) I am logical despite accusations I get here to the contrary and
    2) I am precise about language which drives many of you crazy and drove Tigre right off the blog.

    The course is offered by Coursera.org. Seriously any of you with any spare time should check out their offerings. This is the third course I’ve taken with them and I’m having a real good time .. and it keeps the old brain cells from deteriorating, which for me is a desperate need. :-)

  • 118. Rutherford  |  December 24, 2012 at 2:34 am

    Huck, family get togethers were far more interesting when my mother was alive. Her outspokenness made me look like a little lamb.

    One of the many things I like about Ken is he loves a good debate. I couldn’t ask for a better in-law.

  • 119. Huck  |  December 24, 2012 at 2:46 am

    “No, this is a good time to reflect, and to appreciate those in your family who bust their humps to make your life a little better.”

    And on that note….

    26 Moments That Restored Our Faith In Humanity This Year

  • 120. PFesser  |  December 24, 2012 at 5:27 am

    R – Did ET evacuate on himself? —- er, I mean evacuate himself? What was the occasion?

    As for “intellectual dishonesty” – WTF is that? Disagreeing with yourself? No, I’ve found your positions more than a little baffling (to my eye, at least), but generally consistent.

    Maybe they mean biased. I think that’s true, but so am I and everybody else. Objectivity is a really high bar, I think – it’s sort of like the Ten Commandments: great ideas, but nobody can do it; it’s just the ideal you shoot for.

  • 121. PFesser  |  December 24, 2012 at 5:50 am

    Huck @ 119. Damn. Great link. Humanity is some kind of creature, isn’t it? Thanks.

    About the couple with the quad-amputee guy: I just got back from Louisville, KY, and sat next to a soldier on the plane. There were several others; the stewardess (I guess that’s not PC; what do the they call them now, “attendants,” or something?)…anyway, she announced that there were soldiers on the plane and offered thanks for their service to their country, saying we would like to honor them. Everybody of course applauded.

    My seatmate looked a little disturbed by the whole thing; he was a bit older, maybe 30 or so…

    I just couldn’t stop myself. Before I thought about it, I said under my breath, “If you want to honor them, the best way is to stop your government from throwing their lives away.”

    I must have read his mind. He heard me and looked over.

    “Damn straight.”

    Turns out he had been to Afghanistan twice and was heading to Iraq for a second hitch.

    ***********

    It looks like they are going to court-martial the soldier who lost it in Afghanistan and killed a bunch of people – with the death penalty as a possible sentence. Where is the trial for the cocksuckers who sent him back over there into combat tour after tour after tour? Even in WWII they knew that nine months was about all anybody could stand in combat. Fucking politicians. If there is any way to have a lower opinion of somebody, I’d like to know what it is…Feh.

  • 122. Raji  |  December 24, 2012 at 8:51 am

    R@117 You left out
    3) I get a lot of practice dealing with the opinionated “screwballs” that frequent my blog :lol:

  • 123. James  |  December 24, 2012 at 9:23 am

    David Gregory interviewed Wayne LaPieire on Meet the Press. I don’t watch that show since Tim Russert died, and for good reason. He mocked la Pierrie’s proposal that schools have armed guards.

    However, his children attend the same school Obama’s daughters do. They have a security staff of 11 and Secret Service guards.

    Guns for me but not for thee.

    Meanwhile, the number of new gun registrants in Iowa is soaring to near record levels, and my wife wants to buy a pistol.

  • 124. James  |  December 24, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Congratulations on the A Rutherford. Yes, it is fun to pick apart arguements which have imprecise language or weak logic. I’ve done it to you and several others a couple of times.

    I don’t care about the cliff or Bengazi right now. Skiing is good, and parts of the South will also have a white Christmas. Life is good.

  • 125. Raji  |  December 24, 2012 at 9:40 am

    FYI:
    For the record I consider myself one of those opinionated “screwballs” ;-)

  • 126. dead rabbit  |  December 24, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Intellectual dishonesty is when you are hiding what you really believe to be true.

    Its an “I know you know”….accusation. Of course, it can’t be proven.

    Merry Christmas all .

  • 127. dead rabbit  |  December 24, 2012 at 11:24 am

    The best way to dishonor a volunteer force putting their life on the line is to disregard the fact that they chose to do what many of us would dodge. Just my opinion.

  • 128. poolman  |  December 24, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    re 93, I found the link smart and thorough. Thanks, Rutherford. I bookmarked it for future reference.

    I wonder how many folks are getting guns for Christmas? Predictable, yet somewhat scary. The folks I know that carry are mostly responsible and sensible. But how many people really fit that profile? Anymore, I expect there are firearms present everywhere I go.

    Gun free zones are probably more dangerous than everywhere else in the public realm today, based on recent events. Will we learn from this and make the correct changes? Not likely, based on our record of idiots in control and their proposed idiotic legislation over the past decades, coupled with the media propaganda and hype.

  • 129. poolman  |  December 24, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    A review of Obama’s record, the outright deception and erosion of rights.

  • 130. Raji  |  December 24, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    In keeping with the spirit of Christmas

    “How the Dickens Charles Saved Christmas, or How a Crusty Old Man Saved the Most Popular Novelist in Victorian England”

    http://thebooksthething.wordpress.com/2006/12/05/how-the-dickens-charles-saved-christmas-or-how-a-crusty-old-man-saved-the-most-popular-novelist-in-victorian-england/

  • 131. dead rabbit  |  December 24, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    While there is controversy over whether conceal laws lower crimes ( correlation debates) it is undebatable that conceal laws had no impact on the rise in crime, something our fellow liberals rabbidly assured would happen.

  • 132. Noah  |  December 24, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Merry Christmas one and all from my family to yours. Be blessed and be safe.

  • 133. poolman  |  December 24, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Merry Christmas Rutherford and all passersby.

    The real takeaway message is often missed in the glitz and glamour, tinsel and cheer. It is an amazing story of love and humility and relationships. May your days and ways be blessed, I pray.

  • 134. Rutherford  |  December 24, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    Interesting little nugget about President of NRA, David Keane via Maureen Dowd:

    “67-year-old Keene, a cantankerous former Bob Dole adviser whose son went to prison for shooting at another driver in a road-rage fit”

    She goes on to make another good minor point regarding public relations:

    “It [the NRA] didn’t try to mask its obdurate stance by putting forth a less harsh official — a woman who’s a mother and a hunter, for instance.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/23/opinion/sunday/dowd-from-apocalypse-to-dystopia.html

    Sadly, she seems to bristle at the notion that other factors besides guns contribute to the problem. In the face of tragedy everyone has gone to their respective corners.

    As far as I’m concerned, this country ends the year on a very sad note with very little cause to be merry.

  • 135. jurassicporkj  |  December 24, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    While I’m impressed with your perspicacious post and all around style, I have to admit to being bowled over at the fact you can generate well over 130 comments. I’m lucky if one of my posts gets 3 and I’ve been at this game for almost eight years. Well done and welcome to Pottersville, your slum away from home. Happy holidays.

  • 136. Rutherford  |  December 24, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    JP, welcome and thank you for following up on my invitation. You must understand that the RL Blog is the neighborhood bar and 99.9% of the comments come from return visitors who enjoy each others’ company or enjoy hating each others’ company.

    The tap is open 24/7. Feel free to stop by for refreshment whenever the spirit moves you.

    And Happy Holidays to you too Sir. :-)

  • 137. Ken  |  December 25, 2012 at 11:02 am

    For my Conservative friends: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

    For my Liberal friends: Please accept, with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the upcoming and generally accepted calendar year 2013, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America exceptionally great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country in the Western Hemisphere, here on Earth or in the entire universe for that matter. And without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishes to the recipent. By accepting these greetings you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for herself or himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.

  • 138. Rutherford  |  December 25, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    LOL, that liberal holiday greeting is an old chestnut. Haven’t seen it in a while though.

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