Libya and Lesbians

October 20, 2012 at 12:03 am 275 comments

I thought I’d end the week with a couple of brief observations.

Libya

A little over a month ago we were treated to Mitt Romney’s ill-timed condemnation of the Obama administration for their handling of the Cairo and Benghazi uprisings, the latter of which resulted in the murder of our Ambassador Chris Stevens. Romney’s political posturing in the immediate aftermath of a tragedy received bipartisan criticism and rightfully so.  In the weeks following, various conflicting reports flowed from Washington concerning what actually happened in Benghazi, Libya. By the time this week got underway, conservatives even had me angry at the administration. I wondered why UN Ambassador Susan Rice “lied” on the Sunday political talk shows saying that the Libyan attack was prompted by an offensive YouTube video when by then it was clear we were dealing with a premeditated terrorist attack.

I’m actually surprised at myself for not seeing the Republican hand wringing over Benghazi for what it was, pure and simple election year posturing, exploiting a tragedy for political gain. What woke me up? Namely a couple of New York Times articles that make it clear the situation on the ground in Libya was far more subtle than we were previously being led to believe.

To Libyans who witnessed the assault and know the attackers, there is little doubt what occurred: a well-known group of local Islamist militants struck the United States Mission without any warning or protest, and they did it in retaliation for the video. That is what the fighters said at the time, speaking emotionally of their anger at the video without mentioning Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden or the terrorist strikes of 11 years earlier. And it is an explanation that tracks with their history as members of a local militant group determined to protect Libya from Western influence. – Election-Year Stakes Overshadow Nuances of Libya Investigation

The facts appear to point to an attack that was planned in advance, but not far in advance. There was no peaceful protest that grew out of control or was hijacked by extremists but the extremists did claim that the YouTube video motivated them. As is often the case, the truth is a muddy mix of facts that those with an agenda cherry pick from. And it must be acknowledged that the Administration, not wanting to emphasize a connection to established terrorist groups, cherry picked the YouTube video motivation. But they did not outright lie in doing so. Republicans, licking their lips that al Qaeda might indeed have flexed its muscles again, have stretched the truth:

Is it fair to link the Benghazi attack to Al Qaeda?

Only very indirectly. Ayman al-Zawahri, the leader of Al Qaeda, had called on Libyans to avenge the killing of a Libyan-born Qaeda leader, and American intelligence officials have said they intercepted boastful phone calls after the assault from the attackers to members of the Qaeda affiliate in North Africa, Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb. – Clearing the Record About Benghazi

As usual, folks have rushed to judgment on Libya. I say let a proper investigation run its course and don’t concern yourself with coming up with an answer by November 6 in the hope of influencing an election.

Lesbians (and folks with other preferences)

I’ll be honest. I support LGBT rights but it doesn’t get my heart pumping as much as some other issues do. So I was surprised to be emotionally moved by a video put out by the Obama campaign featuring Jane Lynch, Jesse Tyler Ferguson, Billie Jean King, George Takei, Wanda Sykes, Zachary Quinto, and Chaz Bono. They described the pain of growing up different and the validation they felt due to several pro-LGBT developments under the Obama administration. Among other things, the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and the President’s endorsement of gay marriage gave the LGBT community a huge sense of progress.

Now I will be the first to admit that Obama’s saying he was alright with gay marriage was a clear election year pander. Sometimes a pander can move the ball forward. More importantly, the video got me thinking about Mitt Romney. Not since the days of George Wallace have we had a party platform and a candidate so intent on denying people’s rights.

I agree with the celebrities in the video that the Obama administration has taken several important steps in making this a more inclusive society. We cannot allow a Romney administration to take us backwards.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  • 1. Noah  |  October 20, 2012 at 12:52 am

    4 people died, and Rutherford talks about Romney. We were lied to, and Rutherford talks about political posturing. I have a hard time believing their are people like Rutherford out there…I can scarcely digest this post.

    As far as Lesbians go, they, like blacks and Hispanics, are being used. Obama gave his real opinion about them when he was campaigning. He flip flopped to suit his political needs.

    Dimocrats are self destructing and I am going to enjoy each and every moment. The more people I talk with, the more I am convinced it is true. They are starting to see through the lies. As I said in the other thread. This election will tell us if the black community can be saved, and if it is worth saving. If they vote against their own interest, they need to go the way of the dodo.

    Oblama has spent more time campaigning than being President. 80+ broken promises, F&F & Libya, how many more need die because of him? Has their been a time in history that a President and his administration have been directly responsible for so many civilian deaths than this one?

    Even after Oblama looses the election, I want him tried, impeached, and jailed for his crimes. Should he win, I want Republicans to grind the government to a dead stop and demand the truth over F&F and Libya, and proceed to impeach him if evidence is found. This is without a doubt the worst President in the history of our nation. Somewhere, Carter is smiling.

  • 2. poolman  |  October 20, 2012 at 1:57 am

    The Libya fiasco was a mob v mob/spy v spy power play and is being played out by the media for it’s political points. It’s been handled poorly like everything else government has its hands in. I don’t expect any real investigative proof to be forthcoming. The more layers that we peel off this onion the more rotten it appears. Investigation really means cover up nowadays.

    The fact that we all know and accept liars as our leaders says enough. :neutral:

  • 3. poolman  |  October 20, 2012 at 2:11 am

    Liberty is what protects rights.

    Good man, good speech, enthusiastic crowd…

  • 4. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2012 at 4:59 am

    Hey PlatoMan, why didn’t you back Ron Paul in 2008 again if he’s so damn right, so damn good?

    Plato finally learned to spell Fed last year from his Evelyn Woodhead Spellin Class he attended with Mrs. Code Pink. Now he’s a Fed expert.
    :twisted:

    Stooge.

  • 5. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2012 at 5:32 am

    FOX News had a one hour special tonight with Bret Baier that just ripped R.L.’s Benghazi apology tour for the inept to shreds. Worth the watch.

    Let me tell you what happened:

    A sixteen member team of SEALS and other special forces were removed from embassy protection in late August. Contrary to Rutherford’s lies, there had been warning for months since the fall of Libya, that Al Qaeda was setting up a massive number of bases in North Africa.

    Several times this last summer, the black Al-Qaeda flag had been seen flying over many of the town’s (Benghazi) landmarks.

    But a high presence of American military would have flown in the face of President Spike the Ball’s claims that Al Qaeda had been demoralized and was on the run after the death of Bin Laden – Obama’s one legitimate claim to success.

    This is the political season.

    It’s insufferable to be scolded and accused of political posturing by a ham-handed critic of the Bush Administration, party to blaming George Bush for the death of 3,000 citizens during 9/11, claimed we went to war with Iraq under false premise, a premise which was also backed by Bill and Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and hundreds of other Dims who voted to go to war, and claimed on this very blog that Obama had won the election the night Osama killed.

    For four years we heard little but Abu Ghraib, and water boarding, and GITMO. Where’s your concern now, Rutherford?

    Where is the criticism of Barack Obama and his failure in Afghanistan, the calls for mourning of these poor, poor, poor soldiers being killed? Are they somehow worth less false sympathy from the Left than the soldiers in Iraq the Left used as political fodder and nothing else? Liars. For four years, our blog host has remained mostly silent.

    And then Rutherford has got the unmitigated gall to make accusation of political posturing? The stench of the false piety of these frauds for failed Progressive politics waffles through my screen. It insults my intelligence that we are assume to be so stupid, we wouldn’t remember the weeks after 9/11, the years of false and traitorous accusation that followed. To be lectured by this sham and millions of scumbags like him is exactly the reason I was ABO2012.

    ** VOMIT **

    I’m actually surprised at myself for not seeing the Republican hand wringing over Benghazi for what it was, pure and simple election year posturing, exploiting a tragedy for political gain.

    Sport, the first time I met you, you were dredging on about no WMDs. You and your ilk were making political fodder of soldiers being killed in Iraq, as if you cared about our military – a military your own had called ‘mercenaries’ while you acted as cheerleader with those pussies and dykes you watch every night.

    Frankly Rutherford, this article is you at your most mendacious, your most sanctimonious, your most hypocritical self. You’ve proven beyond a shadow of a doubt your neither a man of honesty or character.

    You’re an errand boy and apologist for EPIC failure.

    And it has been the height of irony to watch Obama consistently fail to correct the problems of one George Bush as The Feckless One condemned George Bush for his transgressions, only to watch ‘The One’ do even worse in every regard.

    How does it feel to be proven a fool with your useful idiot and broken leader in tow?

  • 6. PFesser  |  October 20, 2012 at 6:25 am

    Poolman – the problem for Ron Paul and his “radical” ideas is that, in a place where acceptable runs the gamut from one inch to the left of current policy to one inch right, anyone who sees clearly that neither works is a radical. The irony is that the Right supports exactly the same policies as the Left, and each thinks the other is the Antichrist. Such credulity and stupidity…Reminds me of two big dogs fighting over a bone while a third, little dog, quietly carries the bone away to HIS doghouse. (But enough about The Goldman Sachs)

    I am so very sorry, my little ones; we have destroyed your country – with the very best of intentions – but without understanding.

  • 7. PFesser  |  October 20, 2012 at 6:36 am

    Tex opined: “Where is the criticism of Barack Obama and his failure in Afghanistan, the calls for mourning of these poor, poor, poor soldiers being killed? Are they somehow worth less false sympathy from the Left than the soldiers in Iraq the Left used as political fodder and nothing else?”

    I consider Obama to be nearly as big a failure as Carter – and that’s a high bar – but the fact is that he didn’t send those troops to Afghanistan and Iraq on this unmitigated fool’s errand; his predecessor did. Why we are still there is a mystery. As Dr. Paul has said, our obligations number in the HUNDREDS OF TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS and we are still wasting our citizens’ productivity by the bombing of cave-men at untold financial and human cost. When is somebody in that Hell Hole called Washington, DC going to awaken from this trance and see the shape this country is in?

  • 8. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2012 at 6:42 am

    The irony is that the Right supports exactly the same policies as the Left,

    I respectfully disagree at least somewhat, though I do give credit in your honest assessment from 2002-2006; the Republican Congress was just as reckless in spending what we don’t have. And it cost them big time.

    There’s no doubt the charges of “unpaid” wars true, as is the additional monies for such amenities as Medicare ‘D’ that we couldn’t afford.

    I don’t know if you missed this in the first debate, but I thought Romney very honest in pointing out Medicare is going to have to be means tested. He’s the first real electable candidate I’ve heard even address that. I believe Romney sincere that Medicare and Social Security are going to have to be reformed and he would attempt to deal with it. I think it worth remembering George Bush actually did try to address Social Security and was demonized. Social Security needs to be at least partially privatized. Period. Only people bad at math like Rutherford don’t understand why.

    However Pfesser, we would not have Obamacare had McCain won. I doubt we would have 47M on food stamps. I don’t think our foreign policy would be appeasement.

    McCain was weak. I grant you that. Romney is not. He’s a shrewd businessman that understands free enterprise. Frankly, he understands free enterprise better than Ron Paul IMO. Romney said the first thing he would do would be to fire Ben Bernacke. Where would Paul disagree?

    Paul makes some good points about the Fed, shares my belief about abortion, and believes in limited government like I do.

    But beyond that, all I’ve ever heard from Paul is criticism. Restructuring the Fed won’t solve what ails us – it’s just a step of thousands. Where is Paul’s plan? I don’t mean platitudes. I mean a real plan.

    But Paul’s idea of isolationism is not only stupid, it’s dangerous. For that fact alone, I can’t even give serious consideration to the man.
    It’s real easy to be a critic like Paul. It’s a whole lot harder to actually manage a country.

    Either way Pfesser, as you and I have talked at length before, there is going to be no soft landing this time around.

  • 9. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2012 at 6:49 am

    Well, I have a question for you then, Pfesser.

    What exactly would you have done while viewing the remnants of 9/11 and 3,000 dead citizens? Sat on your hands?

    And here’s another one. Since the Gulf War, Saddam had continually thumbed his nose at 16 U.N. resolutions for 10 years, paid terrorists to kill innocents, fired upon our jets in the no fly zone continuously, housed terrorists who killed American citizens, and at least a dozen other reasons I could give including threatening to disrupt the production of oil which he showed he could do in 1991.

    Now, I can criticize the way the war in Iraq was fought, condemn this nation building that we do. But we had a number of legitimate reasons to depose Saddam.

    And I bet you $10.00 to a donut that sometime soon, those fatuous weapons of mass destruction we couldn’t find are going to be found the hard way sitting in storage in Damascus.

  • 10. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2012 at 6:55 am

    Pfesser opined:

    but the fact is that he didn’t send those troops to Afghanistan

    Actually, Obama called Afghanistan the “good war.” And he proceeded early after dithering for months to increase the number of troops in Afghanistan by 50%, then proceeded to tie the hands of our military and more than double the number of American deaths.

    And as usual, the hypocrites from the Left have been completely silent about Obama’s massive failures in Afghanistan, including several of Obama’s generals leaving the CiC in disgust or fired for insubordination. The military hates King Obama.

    But I agree about why we are there. If they nominated me king, we would be out of Afghanistan but not before I unleashed a little hell as a demonstration of what awaited them the next time our country attacked on U.S. soil with a warning we would be back in force, without constraint, using whatever means available, and would not be discreet in our attack.

    And I mean that. Had I had my way, we wouldn’t have sent boot one to Tora Bora. We would have turned it to glass.

    Afghanistan is a shithole, was a shithole, and will forever be a shithole.

  • 11. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Cherry pick? Obama told us it was terrorism in the Rose Garden within 24 hours. :lol:

    Romney’s fault.

  • 12. James  |  October 20, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Romney was right to criticize the first partial appllogy as the riots began. Whomever made the statement was afraid to fully blame the rioters. Obama himself later disavowed the statement. Attacks on Romeny were politically motivated to show he spoke too soon. He did not.

    Obama reluctantly approved an Afghan surge, and he didn’t give the generals all the troops they said they needed. He also ended it sooner than he should have and broadcast our future departure. Obama helped worsen the mess in Afghanistan for political reasons. He wanted to display it as a trophy to bring home an election victory.

    Ambassador Stevens sent messages warning of

    al Quiada flags flying and coordinated attacks on the Red Cross. He sent a message the day he died. There is no excuse for our government’s letting its own citizens die for political reasons and then to lie about it.

    If Obama wins the election, he must be impeached and Hillary fired. I will be badgering my representatives if he wins.

    I also support gays, and others. We have two friend were the first lesbian married couple in our county. My wife and I helped with the wedding. No heart-felt video will sway me. Obama is using them as the Democrats used dead soldiers during the Slow Bleed. You have won no converts here.

  • 13. James  |  October 20, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Obama did mention terrorism at first . Two or three days later, the move took center stage. As Joe Wilson said “you lie.” to the president.

  • 14. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Or it was Hillary’s fault.

    This “not my fault” Obama shticks tired. The post-partisan, transparent, one-world circle jerk he promised is a disaster. Americans see that, which is why the apologists and over-invested cheerleaders like R are angry. No one is listening. We’ve heard it all before.

  • 15. Noah  |  October 20, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Keep this story in mind Leftists when you cry for more taxes on business. This is happening all over and it is directly because of Liberal policies making it to expensive to do business here.

    http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/10/02/the-indignity-of-outsourcing-one-former-boeing-workers-tale/?ncid=webmail15

    “TechsUnite, a non-profit group for IT workers, launched by the Communication Workers of America and the AFL-CIO, estimates that over the past 10 years, 500,000 IT jobs have been sent abroad.”

    I have got to believe that if they taught basic economics in school, no one would vote Dimocrat ever again.

  • 16. Alfie  |  October 20, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Not to be a pompous git but… what is the reason(s) for our continued presence in Afghanistan per the thread citizens here?

  • 17. Noah  |  October 20, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Bill Clinton: Obama Would Win Easily if Americans Weren’t So ‘Impatient’ for the Economy to Be ‘Hunky-Dory Again’

    How much fucking balls does this statement take?

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/bill-clinton-obama-would-win-easily-if-americans-werent-so-impatient-for-the-economy-to-be-hunky-dory-again/

  • 18. dead rabbit  |  October 20, 2012 at 11:32 am

    The only people dumb enough to vote Ron Paul in ’12 are the same type who would vote for some slick talking huckster from the south side in ’08.

    Look at our resident doctor. He bailed on Romney when the Democratic Party unleashed their War on Women/Social Issues garbage. Couple months later, polls show women running to Romney. Plus, we can all still sodomize our wives. The only person stopping me from titty fucking my wife is my wife. Not the 700 Club. But oh no. The Christian Illuminati causes Pfessor to help Obama in a swing state. Dr. Stupid.

    Do you Ron Paul dreamers really believe a global power vacuum to be a good thing? You can’t possibly be that naive. Forget gas prices, free seas, radical Islam. My sons would end up dying in a world war while Pfessor tinkers in the garage with his freshly Canadian early middle aged son. Fucking fools. As my old man would say, “every one of yous”.

  • 19. Noah  |  October 20, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Ok. I would like to amend my previous post and say that even if economics were taught, some would still vote for Oblama. This one gives a perfect reason to not vote for Oblama, and says it is why she is not voting for Romney?

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/meet-cinnamon-obama-super-fan-says-mitt-romney-is-a-communist-socialist-that-wants-to-work-for-china/

  • 20. Noah  |  October 20, 2012 at 11:42 am

    This should come as a surprise, but somehow I am not really all that shocked…

    Why? Because, according to a new report from Target 8, that same electric battery company President Obama spoke at in 2010 is an unmitigated disaster and a shameful waste of tax dollars.

    For starters, there’s no work to be done. Employees, who are being paid with the $150 million the Department of Energy awarded the plant, claim they show up and sit around because there’s nothing to do. It has gotten to the point where employees spend most of their time playing cards and/or board games and watching movies to keep themselves entertained.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/employees-at-fed-funded-green-energy-company-openly-admit-they-watch-movies-play-cards-because-theres-nothing-to-do/

  • 21. Noah  |  October 20, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Ok never mind. I completely retract my statement after watching this. There is no hope. Our schools have failed us.

  • 22. dead rabbit  |  October 20, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    I’ve noticed that the attack in Libya has not resonated with the masses. I predict the perception of the next debate will not fare well for Romney. Americans seem to be desensitized to stink beard barbarism. All they know is Obama killed Osama. Informed people will not be fooled. But, unfortunately, Obama will sway the average Joe next debate.

    That being said, the first debate was a nuclear bomb dropped on the Obama campaign.

  • 23. poolman  |  October 20, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Hey PlatoMan, why didn’t you back Ron Paul in 2008 again if he’s so damn right, so damn good?

    I will… or did, soon as I get a few small bugs worked out on my time machine. :wink:

  • 24. Noah  |  October 20, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Ahead of Election, Obama Stops Releasing ‘Stimulus’ Reports
    The $831,000,000,000 economic “stimulus” that President Obama spearheaded and signed into law requires his administration to release quarterly reports on its effects. But “the most transparent administration in the history of our country” is now four reports behind schedule and has so far not released any reports whatsoever in 2012. Its most recent quarterly report is for the quarter than ended on June 30, 2011.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/ahead-election-obama-stops-releasing-stimulus-reports_654968.html?page=1

  • 25. Alfie  |  October 20, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    @ 22 I think we need to let the debate play out. I do not believe Romney intends to bring it up in a one of kind of thing. The Benghazi incident is a tip of the iceberg kind of thing,most noticeable even if people are not alarmed by it. Under the water there is a whole lot more iceberg though. How the Arab Spring is playing out,Europes new central bank scheme,Syria,China,and our continued drone thing.
    On this last one a story stayed under the fold and it is sad it did. We offered Turkey technological assistance to target PKK leadership. turkey declined. Bear in mind this was clearly an attempt to expand the drone ops in the region and in the bigger picture world isn’t helping us in the whole Syria,Turkey,Iran,Israel thing.
    Sorry for the rambling. Bottom line look for Romney to focus on drones and “leading from behind” as opposed to harping on Benghazi. the former will be the hammer he uses to tie in his 5 point domestic plan,the latter an opening punch to get Barack pissy.

  • 26. dead rabbit  |  October 20, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    A, exactly what do you think Americans dislike about drones?

  • 27. poolman  |  October 20, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    The only people dumb enough to vote Ron Paul in ’12 are the same type who would vote for some slick talking huckster from the south side in ’08.

    I hope you’re right, bunny. It won us the election then…

  • 28. Alfie  |  October 20, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    I think a majority of Americans have at least a concern that our drone deployments are entering an unmanned imperialism kind of thing.(see Pakistan,Yemen,Somalia,Mali and Libya)
    I think people have concerns and fears about this power being flexed from the Oval. (see shit storm over Obama and the “kill list”,a list that lives in a binder btw R)

  • 29. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Tell me if this is Rutherford and the groupies…

    The president of course has his passionate supporters. These are the same people that spent last Tuesdaynight declaring him the winner of his second meeting with Mitt Romney, and Wednesday and Thursday trying to infuse the word “binder” with game-changing significance.

    They are the same people who spent Friday denying that “not optimal” was not a big deal.

    “Binder” –big deal. “Not optimal” –no deal at all. That’s the state of the Obama campaign: A nearly Orwellian effort at making some words matter and others disappear while facts are pushed aside It hasn’t worked. It won’t work..

    Mitt Romney by contrast followed two very strong debate showings with a wonderful set of remarks at the Al Smith dinner, the third time in two weeks that he has reassured those just tuning into the presidential campaign that he will be a steady and reliable force for good in the Oval Office.

    Romney was ready for his close up. This is the primary reasion behind his surge.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/hughhewitt/2012/10/20/president_obamas_closing_act_an_epic_collapse

  • 30. poolman  |  October 20, 2012 at 1:32 pm

  • 31. Noah  |  October 20, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    This is why we have the right to have guns in our home.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/20/oklahoma-girl-shoots-home-intruder_n_1992381.html?ncid=webmail1

  • 32. Noah  |  October 20, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    We have all listed the dozens of reasons why Oblama no longer deserves to be President. Any of you Lefties have a list of why he does deserve another 4 years? Enough that it trumps all of the reasons not to?

  • 33. James  |  October 20, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    I know reasons.

    Telephone lady said she likes Obama because he gave her and other minorities Obama phones.Several tweeters wrote on a site that if Romney wins, they will lose their food stamps. An unknown number of the 47% have a good reason to support Obama, because they are dependent on our tax money.

    The far left doesn’t like the US as it is. They would turn it into more of a socialist paridise than it already is.Our future would be small carbon foot prints to regimate us into living in government housing and taking the bus.

    Many of them want to destroy Pax Americana.
    Others support Obama the image.

  • 34. poolman  |  October 20, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    James, I heard Obama phones have been around long before Barack became POTUS. Seems he just capitalized on it. That IS the American way. No?

  • 35. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    I’ll be commenting later. Right now I’m at a benefit for my nephew’s wife who lost her insurance and is fighting cancer.

    Lots more of these in a Romney administration. :neutral:

  • 36. Noah  |  October 20, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Sorry if someone else already posted this as it is a couple days old but I think this is bank for Romney in the next debate.

    While many scored Tuesday night’s contentious presidential debate as a draw, or as a narrow victory for one of the candidates, Washington post columnist Charles Krauthammer thinks President Barack Obama made a gaffe — and a big one. One that will cost him dearly in the final debate on Monday.

    In his Thursday column in the Washington Post, Krauthammer predicts this line from the president will come back to haunt him:

    “And the suggestion that anybody in my team, whether the secretary of state, our U.N. ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we’ve lost four of our own, governor, is offensive.”

    “If [Romney] gets it right this time, Obama’s narrow victory in debate No. 2, salvaged by the mock umbrage that anyone could accuse him of misleading on Libya, will cost the president dearly,” Krauthammer writes. “It was a huge gaffe. It is indelibly on the record. It will prove a very expensive expedient.”

    Krauthammer blasted Obama for refusing to acknowledge that inaccurate information was repeatedly disseminated by his administration, including himself. With some time to prepare for the final presidential debate, “Romney will be ready” to capitalize on Benghazi in a major way. More from Krauthammer’s column:
    Click here to find out more!

    No one misled? His U.N. ambassador went on not one but five morning shows to spin a confection that the sacking of the consulate and the murder of four Americans came from a video-motivated demonstration turned ugly: “People gathered outside the embassy and then it grew very violent and those with extremist ties joined the fray and came with heavy weapons.”

    But there was no gathering. There were no people. There was no fray. It was totally quiet outside the facility until terrorists stormed the compound and killed our ambassador and three others.
    The video? A complete irrelevance. It was a coordinated, sophisticated terror attack, encouraged, if anything, by Osama bin Laden’s successor, giving orders from Pakistan to avenge the death of a Libyan jihadist.

    Not wishing to admit that we had just been attacked by al-Qaeda affiliates, perhaps answering to the successor of a man on whose grave Obama and the Democrats have been dancing for months, the administration relentlessly advanced the mob/video tale to distract from the truth.

  • 37. dead rabbit  |  October 20, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    I can’t tell if the picture Rutherford used for this blog is a 70’s era Muammar Muhammad Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi or a carpet muncher.

  • 38. Noah  |  October 20, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    I’ll be commenting later. Right now I’m at a benefit for my nephew’s wife who lost her insurance and is fighting cancer.

    Lots more of these in a Romney administration. :neutral:

    One right now under your Messiah. His epic failure, not Romney.

  • 39. poolman  |  October 20, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    re 37 :lol: ♪♫ Billie Jean’s got my love, whuuuh – oh!

  • 40. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Lots more of these in a Romney administration. :neutral:

    MORE OBAMACARE! MORE SOLYNDRA!

    Failure…

  • 41. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    “An interesting question for which I have only an imperfect answer at best: Why did the Obama campaign believe that their months of demonization would work when inevitably the real Romney would emerge at the debates or sooner? Especially because, unlike Senator McCain in 2008, Romney always was going to have the resources to run a formidable campaign. Anyone who watched the Republican primary debates could see that Romney above all is a man of supreme decency, integrity, and modesty. My sense is that the Obama campaign, in a way quite similar to his White House, reflects the man: It is populated with attack dogs highly skilled at tactical maneuvering and disingenuousness, but with little strategic foresight.” ~ Benjamin Zycher

    Bingo…well that and the fact they’re none too bright either.

  • 42. Noah  |  October 20, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    Candy Crowley told Erin Burnett on CNN’s show Out Front, Monday Night 10/15, that she had collected the questions from the invited and vetted debate audience at Hofstra University and was reviewing them. This was Monday on the 7pm broadcast of Erin Burnett. The Debate was Tuesday.

    When the question on Libya was asked by audience member Kerry Ladka, he prefaced the question by saying:

    ….this question actually comes from my, err, um, a brain trust of my friends at Global Telecom Supply in Mineola, yesterday we were sitting around talking about Libya…

    If Candy Crowley already had the audience questions assembled the day before, how could Kerry Ladka and his brain trust friends have been writing one?

    Secondly, look at the origin and subject switch from Candy Crowley. When she said “we are changing topics to a question from Kerry… from Kerry Ladka“, Obama already knew what to look for and where he was seated. There are numerous “TELLS” Watch the video – it is at 1:06:35 Watch.

    President Obama moved (physically walked) directly toward Kerry Ladka, and said “Hi Kerry“,… (but oddly Kerry had not moved, nor identified himself) …. then, rut roh,…. after an internal psyche trigger kicked in, President Obama does the ((‘oops’)) *looks around* as if to say where am I going… then asks “what’s your name“?

    Thirdly, within the carefully worded question itself is a very nuanced descriptive delivered by Ladka:

    …”and we were reading, and we became aware of reports that the State Department refused extra security for our embassy in Benghazi Libya prior to the attacks that killed four Americans.

    Who was it that denied enhanced security, and why?

    The term “enhanced security” is the term used by the White House spokespeople and by the State Department spokesperson(s). It is just plain awkward and oddly not in a normal context for a general question from an unattached observer. Not to mention it perfectly “Tee’s Up” the only construct, and context, that Obama could defend and expand upon.

    Fourth. Michelle Obama appears to know the moment is at hand and fails to contain her excitment upon execution. There is a FOX News camera angle that actually shows her response during a cutaway portion. No-one realized she was on tape…. And you’re not going to believe what she was doing…. just watch:

    Yes, that’s right. The LOUD clapping you can hear in the audience is from none other than Michelle Obama herself who is responding to the put down of Governor Romney’s question by Candy Crowley. She knew all along the risk to Obama that Libya presents, and she appears giddy upon execution of the misdirection.

  • 43. Noah  |  October 20, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Fifth Point – Kerry Ladka works for Global Telecom Supply. More specifically he works for Isaac Elyassoff who is the current Vice-President at Global Telecom Supply. Guess where Elyassoff is an alumnus of ? Yep, Hofstra University, the site of the debate. It appears Elyassoff is in his mid twenties having graduated from Hofstra with a degree in Marketing and Business 2002-2006. Obamabot? Ideology? Check out his twittery friends .

    Why would random undecided voter, Mr. Kerry Ladka, of Long Island NY, be calling media outlets, media pundits, and requesting to be on their shows?

    Just a randomly selected “undecided voter”/”audience member” chosen by CNN?

    Happenstance?

    Does the prior name David Plouffe or the prior campaign strategy of David Plouffe ring a bell?… anyone?…. anyone?….. Any.One?

    Now regarding the entire aspect of Crowley Bias:

    As noted by commentator “garyws” Look at the video from 1:13:50 to 1:15:20. This is obvious evidence of collusion between Obama and the moderator, Candy Crowley. When Romney makes the point that Obama had just said in the debate that he had called this an “act of terror’ in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, Obama smugly encourages Romney: “Please proceed, Governor”.

    Then when Romney says, “I want to make sure that we’ve got that on the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror” , Obama then prompts the moderator (Candy Crowley), “Get the transcript”, and right after Crowley stuttered, “He did in fact”, Obama says confidently “Can you say that a little louder Candy?” And each time that Obama commented, there was a spattering of applause from Obama supporters in the audience.

    Look at the Crowley interruption segment closely:

    It was obvious to the intellectually honest viewer that an agenda, what appears to be a “scripted agenda”, was being followed. Here is another angle. Focus on the exchange between President Obama and the simultaneous verbage of Candy Crowley:

    The BACKSTORY is IMPORTANT

  • 44. Noah  |  October 20, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    Now, before people begin spouting off accusations about a wild conspiracy theory. Let me remind you of what we have already recently shown, in fact, about CNN specifically and intentionally removing reports from U.S. CNN audiences in order to help the White House.

    First CNN reports a total falsehood: that a “senior official” said a full marine detachment could not have repelled the Benghazi Attack.

    Second. Watch the first 3 minutes of this video about CNN and the Cairo protest:

    Why would CNN refuse to air the Nick Robertson report with Muhammed Al Zawahiri (brother of Ayman Al Zawahiri) that clearly shows the Egyptian uprising was 100% in response to his call for protests for release of the Blind sheik on 9-11.?

    This Nick Robertson report was filmed the morning of the Cairo Embassy protest itself. It was filmed on 9/11 outside the U.S. Embassy.

    Why would the “most trusted name in news“, hide the report showing the obvious truth, and instead allow the false narrative to be sold, by them, to the American electorate?

    Lastly, don’t take my word for it. Read and listen to a former CNN journalist Amber Lyon.

    Amber Lyon is an award-winning journalist who worked for CNN.

    She says she was ordered to report fake stories, delete unfriendly stories adverse to the Obama administration (like the Nick Robertson report), and construct stories in specific manners while working for the left-wing network.

    She used to work for CNN and she supports what we are outlining regarding the intentional manipulation of the Presidential Debate by CNN.

    We previously outlined her story, and the hiding of the Nick Robertson report here.

    Given the history of documented, cited and irrefutable manipulation by CNN, is it a stretch to say that given all the citations above, Mr. Ladka was a specifically planted seed waiting to be used at a specifically planned juncture; with the full knowledge of the Obama campaign, and facilitated by a willing media outlet?

    Obama: “get the transcript”…..

    Obama: “can you say that a little louder Crowley”……

    Was Crowley correct? Did President Obama actually call it an act of terror? Here’s the relevant portion of the transcript (emphasis added):

    Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

    As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

    No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

    Today we mourn for more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

    But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

    We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory and let us continue their work in seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

    Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost, and may God bless the United States of America. (link)

    As you can see, Obama said, “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this nation.”

    However, he didn’t specifically call this incident an act of terror, and his administration went on for days if not weeks claiming it was a protest over an anti-Muslim movie trailer. Obama was certainly not calling the Benghazi attack an act of “terrorism“, if he wanted to tell the American people it was terrorists then he would not have sent his cabinet level UN ambassador, Susan Rice, into the media four days later to say it was a protest about a video that turned violent.

  • 45. Noah  |  October 20, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/

  • 46. muffy  |  October 20, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Rutherford drags out a non-factor issue like gay rights (inspired by an Obama campaign video no less) in the same post that he channels Stephanie Cutter that the only reason the Republicans want to know what happened to 4 dead people is to score political points, when for two weeks the administration clearly blamed a video that no one saw.

    What is that, irony?

    I guess this “pure and simple election year posturing” is interfering with the Obama campaign flogging issues like abortion and contraception.

  • 47. poolman  |  October 20, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    Looks like you inherited a mess, Rutherford. Oh well, I suppose zookeepers and blog owners ought to expect as much…

  • 48. dead rabbit  |  October 20, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Oh man. Sparty loses! Love watching Sparty shit the bed. Yeah!!! Yeah!!! Yeah!!! Yeah!!! Yeah!!!

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marvelwolverine.jpg

  • 49. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    Hey Allahu Akbar Man,

    Can we knock off the irrelevant videos or links to the conversation at hand until later in the thread, where you can wait around and post music and pejoratives nobody is going to see or read?

    You keep this crap up, and at about 300 comments, WordPress starts to choke.

    It’s bad enough that I have to come in and see your idiot gravatars, where I choke knowing you’ve left another mess and pack of lies.

    It’s insufferable when you screw up the entire loading of the thread too.

  • 50. poolman  |  October 20, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Hey Tex,

    I don’t know if I addressed you properly today, forgive me…

    FUCK YOU!!!

    42, 43, and 44 just choked the shit out of your thread. Asshole.

  • 51. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    Hey Allahu,

    Those you listed are relevant to the conversation. Hint hint. I know relevant is a word you don’t understand and never have.

    So let me give another simple Allahu example you might understand with help from your wife. Between the two of you, you might figure it out.

    The opposite of relevant is irrelevant.

    Irrelevant is like your life. :wink:

  • 52. James  |  October 20, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    Yes, poolman, I think the free phones began under Nixon as free land lines or something like that. Government programs are as close to immortally as we will see.

    Rutherford , I gave some search suggestions for getting aid for your nephews’ wife. Did you find anything? If not, I will look when I have time. The next few days are busy, and we will be dog sitting, but maybe later.

    We just finished several hours of removing a section of tree which blew on our garage roof in the wind Wednesday. An eight foot limb is still impailed on the roof.

  • 53. James  |  October 20, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    “Lots more in a Romney administration…” Even more after another Obama administration.

  • 54. dead rabbit  |  October 20, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    I go through hell and high water to move my family away from crime only to have to deal with some sniper. Been 15 shootings in the last 48 hours along the highway by my house. Some guy in a black car taking pot shots at other drivers. So far, nobody has been hurt.

  • 55. PFesser  |  October 20, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    “Been 15 shootings in the last 48 hours along the highway by my house. Some guy in a black car taking pot shots at other drivers. So far, nobody has been hurt.”

    15 misses? Obviously not a Hillbilly, or there would be fifteen casualties.

    Doc

    “There are two ways to conquer & enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.”
    John Adams, 1826

  • 56. poolman  |  October 20, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    re 51

    Relevant? They are regarding the past presidential debate and complaints about the media and moderator Candy Crowley. I don’t see any reference to that in Rutherford’s post. But you apparently do, eh Reverend Relevant? If we are going to be keeping score, then I say only one in your ten posts so far IS relevant.

    So therefore, I dub thee: Reverend Irrelevant. Now go flock yourself.

  • 57. poolman  |  October 20, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Relevant to the post AND today’s society… Our church service tonight was regarding homosexuality from a biblical perspective. Apropos. It was a very good albeit hard message. It remains a tough subject to address, one that most pastors and congregations avoid or distort. Shame is there was a very light showing of folks.

  • 58. Tex Taylor  |  October 21, 2012 at 12:24 am

    Shame is there was a very light showing of folks.

    Actually, I’m gladdened at that perversion of a cult you attend there were few folks.

    Doesn’t surprise me – you, gingivitis, a Marshall Applewhite lookalike preacher, a few Moonie types, probably a couple of reformed skinheads still entrenched in Jew hating, a Muslim, and some drunks from the street trying to get out of the heat. House within four walls, loosely defined as church, resembling a psychiatric institution from One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. I can picture that zoo now.

    I expect any day for you to disappear from here, on a ride to the next comet with a cup of koolaid in your cold hand, spending the last bucks for a couple of pair of new Nikes, four sizes too large and tinfoil with antennae wrapped tight around your microcephalic head. What are you? Some JW? :lol: Might explain a little of your utter madness.

    You’re so ignorant and uninformed, I don’t know why I am pointing something this clear cut to you. But Fat Candy is heart and center of covering for the Cover Up President concerning BenghaziGate. BenghaziGate is the first half this post, couched under the general false pretense.

    Where is your outrage over four dead American citizens due to the incompetency of this worthless President and his Keystone Cop cabinet, asshole – while they begged for their lives, I might add?

  • 59. Rutherford  |  October 21, 2012 at 12:38 am

    Regarding comment 5, Tex … glad you liked the post. ;-)

    More tomorrow. Long day today and I’m going to bed.

  • 60. dead rabbit  |  October 21, 2012 at 1:10 am

    “15 misses? Obviously not a Hillbilly, or there would be fifteen casualties.”

    Yeah I know. They think he might be missing on purpose.

  • 61. poolman  |  October 21, 2012 at 2:06 am

    Might explain a little of your utter madness.

    lol. Nah. Maybe the udder madness. Aside from that, not even getting warm. Though I’ve noticed meteors and comets are getting a little cozier and more frequent as of late.

    Where is your outrage over four dead American citizens due to the incompetency of this worthless President and his Keystone Cop cabinet,

    Am I supposed to be more outraged over these four murdered people than I am others my government has allowed or caused? I don’t understand the call for the double standard, I guess. These folks at least knew they were in dangerous territory and possibly facing death or injury. That was their chosen vocation. Was it tragic and ruthless? Yes. Is it being exploited for political and military gain? Yes. Nobody in authority is being brought to justice for any of their crimes including perjury, murder, genocide, collusion, and theft. There’s plenty folks doing time in prisons for much lesser crimes.

    I’m all for doing a real investigation into more than just this latest Libya mess. Lets go back until we rid the entire system of this evil. Let’s make these people accountable for their actions and punish them accordingly. That would be real change.

  • 62. PFesser  |  October 21, 2012 at 5:17 am

    Florida Supreme Court Gets It:

    http://truth-out.org/news/item/12222-florida-okays-execution-of-schizophrenic-man-in-direct-violation-of-supreme-court-ruling

    Yes, I know it’s a left-wing rag, but they missed the real story, buried in their own anti death-penalty ideology. To wit:

    “The Florida Supreme Court has ruled that the state can proceed with the execution of 64-year-old John Erroll Ferguson, despite its finding that he is a paranoid schizophrenic. The Justices upheld the ruling of a lower court, which found that Ferguson’s “Prince of God” delusions, while “genuine”, are not “significantly different than beliefs other Christians may hold.”
    .
    .
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    “Ferguson’s delusions represent a “relatively normal Christian belief, albeit a grandiose one,” concluded Glant. “There is no evidence in the record that Ferguson’s belief as to his role in the world and what may happen to him in the afterlife is so significantly different from beliefs other Christians may hold so as to consider it a sign of insanity.”

    Which is to say, a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic and a “normal” Christian have exactly the same thought processes.

    Told you so. Now the Florida Supreme Court has made it official.

  • 63. James  |  October 21, 2012 at 9:10 am

    61. Yes, poolman, you are supposed to show outrage over the four who were murdered. That applies to others who the government in effect killed. You should also express outrage that our government has detained a creator of a nasty video for about a month on a trumped up charge He won’t have a chance to get out until three days after the election. You should also feel outrage because the administration still refuses to call the military shooting a terrorist act. As a result survivors and victims don’t have access to full benefits. You should also feel outrage that Obama lied about Planned Parenthood’s capacity to give mamograms when it can’t in many cases.

    I will explain once again based on personal experience. Those folks were in harm’s way and they knew danger went with the job as you wrote.They also espected and deserved reasonable protection. Ambassador Stevenson asked for help which never came.

    I did the right thing once. An extortion/prostitution ring operated freely in an isolated part of our base. It had operated long before my arrival, and everyone was afraid of the men. The squadron was frustrated. I was the sole witness to a crime, and I reported it.

    Our fearless leaders told me I deserved and would have protection. They lied, because they wanted something bad to happen to me so they could press heavier charges against more men. As things got out of hand, cowardice took over, and I tried to recant. They told me I would be fine,and nothing would happen.Right.

    In the end, I faced charges of my own, and I was a future disabled veteran., They had to cancel the operation and replaced it with another less moral plan.

    I am not comparing my situation with the four dead men, but the same principle apples.If you or anyone else persists in shoveling such manure, I will continue to pollute this site with my story of betrayal.

    The truth is OBAMA SACRIFICED THOSE FOUR MEN ON THE ALTER OF POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY!. If you don’t have the moral capacity to understand what happened, then shut the hell up!

  • 64. El Tigre  |  October 21, 2012 at 9:29 am

    *applause*

  • 65. El Tigre  |  October 21, 2012 at 9:53 am

    PF, I can’t tell whether your serious or not. If you are, you’ve got it completely backwards (the article does indeed bend the analysis through omission).

    I can’t get the text of the opinion easily at the moment, but the question in an insanity defense for a capital case is some variation of whether the defendant has a rational understanding of the reason and effect his execution. The answer was “yes” (stated differently, his beliefs do not render his understanding “irrational” under the very low threshold).

    So the opinion means you’d be a goner but Poolman would never be executed in Florida. :lol:

    If I took you too literally, “never mind.”

  • 66. PFesser  |  October 21, 2012 at 10:40 am

    ET – It was actually a bit of a tongue-in-cheek analysis of what happens when you use lunacy as the standard for judging lunacy. Serious? How could anybody take that seriously? (Except, of course, the condemned man, and he’s so crazy he doesn’t care.)

    Reform the medical system? You gotta be kidding me. If anybody needs some oversight, it’s the judges in the legal “system.”

  • 67. dead rabbit  |  October 21, 2012 at 10:51 am

    James, your response to poolman was perfect. Unfortunately, dealing with him is like dealing with the Taliban. He’s not worthy. Only my love of the first amendment stops me from stomping out his Daddy issues, his brains being collateral damage, with high quality steel toe boots, in front of his goof ball church on a Sunday morning. The fact fuck wads like him roam unharmed is a testament to how much millions of us still love American freedom. Hanoi Poolman. May he die of natural causes early so that his moron kin forget he ever existed. Sadly, he will probably live to a 100 and I will never be able to uncork the bubbly.

  • 68. El Tigre  |  October 21, 2012 at 10:52 am

    I thought the psychiatric community was one of your own. Where do you think the opinion came from?

  • 69. PFesser  |  October 21, 2012 at 11:03 am

    ET – One of my own? I don’t claim the shrinks – talk about bogus medicine, untainted by any science…

    But anyway, the shrinks said he was crazy. Sure sounds like they are right.

    Do we execute crazy people?

  • 70. PFesser  |  October 21, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Now tell me again what you have against The Poolman? He seems like a decent guy to me; I don’t agree with some of his opinions, but so what? Why the dripping vitriol?

  • 71. Tex Taylor  |  October 21, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Like I have said many times here before, Pfesser. Most of the civilized world believes contrary to your thoughts, and most of our civilization based on those beliefs contrary to yours. Our Declaration of Independence of which your beloved Thomas Jefferson signed, acknowledges as much.

    Though you may find yourself gifted and enlightened beyond our measure, you might want to step back in a minute of reflection and determine why those places of influence that have followed your calling are in complete disarray. History is replete with hundreds of examples.

    American public schools being the most obvious and current end result of the humanist mindset. Frankly, under the guise of leadership represented by your thought and conclusions, the track record is not only failure, but mass casualty.

    But it wasn’t always that way.

    I assume you hold North Korea in high regard.

    And as a footnote, the Supreme Court of Florida was the party that did everything in its power to sway an election to one Al “An Inconvenient Truth” Gore under false pretense. Even the most bankrupt of us shudders at the thought of Big Al as President.

  • 72. dead rabbit  |  October 21, 2012 at 11:24 am

    He sides with the enemies of America and helps spread their lies.

    I have an urge to stomp the brains out of people who side with Osama Bin Laden and who claim America attacked its own people on 9/11.

  • 73. Tex Taylor  |  October 21, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Poolman seems like a decent guy to you, Pfesser? :lol: Surely you jest? The man is beneath contempt.

    Let’s see, Allahu Man has accused George Bush and Co. of killing 3,000 of its own citizens – always in conjunction with the Jooos. For all intents and purposes, Allahu Man a holocaust denier. Allahu Man has been a rabid appeaser of Islam, even radical Islam. He’s taken great delight in the physical pain of both Gorilla and Tigre’s wife. Just for starters…

    Like I said, Poolman is the classic oikophobia – worse, he’s perhaps the most glaring example of hypocrisy I’ve ever witnessed. If he’s going to hate his country which is his right, then he ought to at least have the decency to live of his own works and fruits.

    Is there a service Mr. Oikophobia hasn’t used as handout from the country he hates?

    Frankly, I believe the man mentally ill. I once even took pity and offered suggestion and advice for treatment. In fact, I’m almost sure Poolman is mentally ill. Unfortunately, he blames everyone for his situation except the one who deserves the blame.

    I’ve tried to ignore him on occasion, and when I do the favor is returned with puerile insult and stupidity before long. I’m not of the nature to just let that slide.

    But I make this promise. If I never saw the word ‘Tex’ in one of his posts, I would quit jumbling up these threads with insults toward him.

  • 74. Tex Taylor  |  October 21, 2012 at 11:51 am

    That was a good response, James. My compliments. Soon, you too will start receiving in return volley abject stupidity and nuisance if you keep that up.

    I’m afraid my Big Little Brother Rabbit and I are in complete agreement concerning Mr. Poolman. He’s way beyond being an object of sympathy.

    Like Jerry Lewis once said when was attacked by the disabled because they didn’t feel they had received any of the generosity: “Being disabled doesn’t excuse you from being an asshole.”

  • 75. Tex Taylor  |  October 21, 2012 at 11:59 am

    If there is a better statement of the last four abysmal years and the vacuous nature of this regime, I haven’t seen it.

  • 76. PFesser  |  October 21, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Tex noted: “Most of the civilized world believes contrary to your thoughts, and most of our civilization based on those beliefs contrary to yours”

    And contrary to yours, since most of the world is non-Christian. Some would argue that many – if not most – are at least as civilized as America.

    “Our Declaration of Independence of which your beloved Thomas Jefferson signed, acknowledges as much.”

    Absolutely true. He not only signed it – if you will remember, he WROTE it. The Declaration, as a document enumerating the reasons for declaring independence, calls upon numerous emotionally appealing principles of right and wrong, often best described in Scripture. Not a thing wrong with that. It is very different from the Constitution, though, which – as a blueprint for the new nation – is entirely secular.

    snip…”and determine why those places of influence that have followed your calling are in complete disarray. History is replete with hundreds of examples.”

    You mean disarray like modern-day America, for example? Isn’t its current disarray what we all rail against on this blog every day of the week? I don’t think we are the shining city on the hill any more, and it hasn’t a thing to do with religion. It has everything to do with poor choices.

    “American public schools being the most obvious and current end result of the humanist mindset.”

    I don’t think the school system’s failures can be tied 100 percent to “humanism.” There are lots of problems with the school system; the influence of humanism would be close to last in most knowledgeable people’s estimation. Low standards, poorly trained teachers, overbearing govt regulations, ineffective leadership would head MY list. Nice try, though.

    “I assume you hold North Korea in high regard.”

    You are mistaken.

    “And as a footnote, the Supreme Court of Florida was the party that did everything in its power to sway an election to one Al “An Inconvenient Truth” Gore under false pretense. Even the most bankrupt of us shudders at the thought of Big Al as President.”

    I couldn’t agree more.

    See, we agree at least half of the time. Not too bad a record, I don’t think. If you are ever in the east, or I in OK, we should meet for lunch.

  • 77. Noah  |  October 21, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Next debate should be interesting.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-33816_162-57536611/could-u.s-military-have-helped-during-libya-attack/

  • 78. poolman  |  October 21, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Tex can’t even keep his facts straight and rabbit is so deep in denial he CAN’T go there. ALL of you still believe a jet can take out a steel skyscraper. Because… wait for it… “we saw it with our own two eyes”. lol. Oh, I mean, “we watched it on the TV”. lol. Oh wait, because “our government would NEVER do anything so evil”. Or “the story they told us minutes after it happened still resonates as true and accurate.” Fail. If you refuse to consider real science or real evidence or ALL possibilities, you will never know true discovery.

    I just have to let history unfold and the truth right itself. It is already happening. The holdouts, along with those commenting here, are becoming the minority in a world where knowledge has exploded. Some of us have researched America’s past with the aid of documents obtained through the freedom of information act. Some of us DO change our beliefs when contrary proofs are revealed. Some of us DO question authority and official narratives. It’s no different than this Benghazi event. We ALL question the official narrative. It’s no different than the taking out of Osama. Many official narratives came out. It’s no different than the Pat Tillman story, or the Zimmerman case, or, or, or. Just NOT 9/11!!!

    Some of us still have full use of our grey matter. Some of us have broken out of the spell that trusts anything Uncle says or does, even amid evidence of ongoing abuse.

    So these guys can make all the accusations and threats they want. It makes no matter. I have to go with my heart, and when reason follows that very same path, I know with confidence I’m on the right side.

  • 79. muffy  |  October 21, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Your schoolgirl crush on Jefferson doesn’t seem to square with your write in candidate this election.

    “The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government’s hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.

    The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation’s history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war.”

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html

  • 80. Tex Taylor  |  October 21, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    The Declaration, as a document enumerating the reasons for declaring independence, calls upon numerous emotionally appealing principles of right and wrong, often best described in Scripture. Not a thing wrong with that.

    If memory serves, Jefferson wrote the draft, but essentially the document was the product of five men, including Benjamin Franklin and John Adams.

    But I think you are conveniently “missing” two very significant points regarding our Declaration, reinforced by “of what happens when you use lunacy as the standard for judging lunacy.” Those are your words, not mine.

    The five men responsible for the Declaration and agreed to by 50 others, contains the words, the very first words mind you after the Preamble, the introduction if you will:

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

    Now unless I have misunderstood you from the beginning and not just today but every day, that puts you fundamentally at odds against the 55 Founding Fathers, including Thomas Jefferson.

    The second point, more personal is equating the word lunacy with “often best described in Scripture.” It would appear to me that your conclusion of lunacy vis-a-vis our own Declaration with rights best described in scripture is a non sequitur.

    As far as public schools, the reference was simply to demonstrate the end result of a completely humanist institution, that at one time was not in any way humanistic. For instance, at my elementary public school, we opened each day with a pledge of allegiance, followed by a quick prayer of… “Our Father, Who Aren’t in Heaven…”

    That was 1966-1972. And I would submit to you in great confidence, our public schools were much better then than they are today. Perhaps we should reinstate some of that “lunacy?”

    You can excuse humanism as cause, but the one thing you cannot deny is our public schools have failed as our society became more humanistic and supposedly more tolerant.

  • 81. El Tigre  |  October 21, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    “Do we execute crazy people?”

    All the time.

    I gave you the standard (with variation among states) at #65.

    Understanding the nature of your actions and the reason and for and effect of your execution is not synonymous with mental disorder (obviously, as shown by the FL opinion).

    PF, I thought you did all of this testifying in court. You should know that psychs gave expert testimony to the ultimate issue and that’s where the opinion came from. Of course getting expert medical testimony on anything is why lawyers call expert medical witnesses “whores.”

    The FL opinion was comparing Christianity to rational thought not the opposite which was your point. Although I don;t get your follow up, I trust what you said was tongue-in-cheek.

  • 82. poolman  |  October 21, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    The truth is OBAMA SACRIFICED THOSE FOUR MEN ON THE ALTER OF POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY!. If you don’t have the moral capacity to understand what happened, then shut the hell up!

    Let’s for one minute assume this is true, and not just the conspiracy theory that you are embracing. What gain was it to Obama or his administration? It seems to rather be hurting him politically. My first instinct would say his opponents did it.

    I don’t think it requires a moral capacity to understand it. I already know leaders do sacrifice pawns for gain. I prefer to look and see WHO benefits. Every action has motive and consequence. This was well planned in advance. It even has the usual scapegoats in captivity. Pansies MANipulated™ by others to do the deeds and take the fall. This isn’t new or unique.

    You must be willing to see government as the oppressive force that it is, imposing its rule over others. Really ours is at least two different mobs constantly struggling for control.

    You must also understand the history and purpose of Al Qaeda.

    You want to blame Obama? I don’t think he holds the power. The last president that tried to exhibit real authority was shot in the head. Just as Osama was hurriedly buried at sea, that other ‘terrorist’ died a convenient and timely death.

  • 83. poolman  |  October 21, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    For instance, at my elementary public school, we opened each day with a pledge of allegiance, followed by a quick prayer of… “Our Father, Who Aren’t in Heaven…”

    That may explain a lot. I’ve always prayed, “Our Father, who art in heaven…”

  • 84. Tex Taylor  |  October 21, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Okay Poolman. You finally got me. :oops: Art is indeed what I meant. Hopefully, that was a Freudian.

    Now can you leave us alone? :twisted:

  • 85. Tex Taylor  |  October 21, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    If you are ever in the east, or I in OK, we should meet for lunch.

    I would indeed enjoy that, as I would most people on this board, Poolman the definite exception.

    With one proviso. It would have to be in OK, though I find Virginia one of our more fabulous states.

    The reason?

    I’d be leery of a pistol cocked at my head for past transgressions in Virginia, my last words hearing, “Now about this comment on the R.L. board concerning _____ (fill in the blank)…”

    :wink:

  • 86. PFesserp  |  October 21, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    “Of course getting expert medical testimony on anything is why lawyers call expert medical witnesses “whores.”

    Doctors call them that, too.

    Of course, that is tame compared to what they call lawyers.

  • 87. PFesser  |  October 21, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    R – I messed up my address and have a comment in moderation.

  • 88. James  |  October 21, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Poolman, there is no assuming what I wrote is true. It is true. I’Ve done the research and in addition extrapulated from my own experience.Even the benefit of the doubt still leaves Obama as grossly incompetent and unfit for leadership. There is no defense, no matter how mealy mouthed.

    He is commander in chief of the military, and civilian government employees. That implies a holy bond with his subordinants. They do their duty, and in return, he looks after and defends them, whether it be bail for drunken and disorderly conduct or calling in air strikes to defend a unit under attack. The commander is as close to God as many soldiers will get, and to betray one’s troops reaches well into the realm of evil. Mutual mistrust will cause military disclipine to fail, as we saw during the fragging of Vietnam.

    You may think you know but unless you were there, you have no clue. I have nothing against you as a person, but on this, you have entered godless amorality.

    Niobody here knows or cares about Jimmy Sevile, but I listened to his show on the BBC in England and thought he was a good guy. After his death, a woman wrote that he sexually abused at least sixty women and children during his career and the BBC didn’t want to know because of the income he brought to the network.

    I don’t know the details, but if the charges are true, Obama’s malfeansance, Jimmy Savile, and the Penn State case share a moral equivalence. In each case, the leader failed to look after people in his charge for personal gain. That is a fact.

  • 89. Rutherford  |  October 21, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    PF I pulled you out of moderation.

  • 90. PFesser  |  October 21, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    “You should know that psychs gave expert testimony to the ultimate issue and that’s where the opinion came from.”

    I dont know what you mean by “ultimate.” Shrinks offer expert testimony as to medical issues, not issues of law. You can file that under “separation of shrink and State.”

    The “ultimate” problem is this case is trying to say that delusions are the very definition of insanity in one case, and the very definition of sanity in another, and in order to be consistent, you have to execute a crazy man.

    No big deal – except to the dead crazy man – it’s just amusing, that’s all.

    Hell, Tex – you’d be as safe anywhere in Virginia as you are in your own bed.

    re: “endowed by their creator” – again, part of the Declaration, which we have already stipulated is a very different document than the Constitution.

    re: Paul and religion. He’s a pro-lifer, too. Nobody’s perfect. I’m more interested in honest money, non-interventionalism, low taxes, small govt. I can tolerate the rest. Being a single-issue voter is non-productive.

  • 91. PFesser  |  October 21, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Thanks, R

  • 92. James  |  October 21, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    The gain to the Obama administration was this.

    He portrayed himself as the Osama killer and declared Al Quiada muribund if not dead. He also led from behind by helping take down several Middle East dictatorships. with little interest in the consequences. He thought that if we were nice to the extremists, they would be reasonable, and his success would be another feather in his hat.Do you remember when Obama’s allies compared the Arab Spring with OWS?

    Obama changed the paridime, and reset diplomacy. His way would bring peace and it was a logical choice over the saber rattling Republicans. The age of terrorism was over. The administration even declared the word off limits.

    The riots and attack revealed the failure of Obama’s policy, at the worst possible time–before the election..The movie and anger provide cover for Obama’s failures. That he thought that gambit would work also testifies to his being unfit for office.

    In a just world, Obama will lose his job and be subjected to the ridicule and scorn he deserves..

  • 93. poolman  |  October 21, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    I don’t know the details, but if the charges are true, Obama’s malfeansance, Jimmy Savile, and the Penn State case share a moral equivalence. In each case, the leader failed to look after people in his charge for personal gain. That is a fact.

    You are definitely on the correct scent, here James. The difference is who you believe are those directing as compared to those performing or those merely participating. There is a hierarchy to the underworld. This site has been very good at researching the nitty gritty and connections of these things.

  • 94. James  |  October 21, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Yes, poolman “directors” have a responsibility greater than their privileges. I’m glad we agree. As an NCO I took the mutual responsibility seriously. One of my men saved my bacon once because he know I would do the same for him.

    Now, we are leaving to dog and house sit.

  • 95. El Tigre  |  October 21, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    “The “ultimate” problem is this case is trying to say that delusions are the very definition of insanity in one case, and the very definition of sanity in another, and in order to be consistent, you have to execute a crazy man.”

    What “other case?” He was already convicted. Insanity was not a successful defense to the underlying crime.

    The question is whether executing him would be cruel and unusual (I assume) or meet the State constitutional standards for the penalty. In any event, there are no inconsistent findings from what you provided.

  • 96. El Tigre  |  October 21, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    “Shrinks offer expert testimony as to medical issues, not issues of law.”

    That law requiring that he understand the nature of the punishment — the very testimony that offered by psychs. The finder of fact can reject the evidence but it still goes to the ultimate issue.

  • 97. PFesser  |  October 21, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    It seems really simple to me. You are allowed to execute someone who is out of touch with reality or you are not. Paranoid schizophrenia is a psychosis, not a neurosis, which means the person is by definition not living in the real world.

    Personally, I say there exists such a thing as a defective human carbon unit (HT to Star Trek); whether they can help it or not, they are dangerous and the State has the right and responsibility to protect the rest of us from such people. Why does it matter if they understand the nature of the punishment? That is not the object of the exercise – the object is to kill them and thereby render them benign.

    The “other case” I am referring to is that of “normal” religious people. Their delusions of the supernatural are perfectly fine and considered normal fare; a psychotic killer’s delusions of the supernatural are verboten, except when we realize that they are just like “normal” people’s delusions, so those people must be normal enough for us to kill.

    Just amusing, that is all…I didn’t mean to beat it to death. Sorry.

    ***********

    I have been ‘way out of the loop – my brother was telling me that the CIA watched the whole Libyan attack via drone???? Is that true??? Jesus, what the hell is going on?

  • 98. Noah  |  October 21, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    check the link at post 77 PF

  • 99. El Tigre  |  October 21, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Not guily by reason of insanity does not mean released.

    Done. :lol:

  • 100. Tex Taylor  |  October 21, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Congratulations Rutherford. Looks like it’s over if you go strictly by the number of “power” endorsements. Obama is racking them in and putting it away. Guess you were right about the big kill a year and a half ago.

    Which candidate wouldn’t treasure the endorsements of:

    (1) ● Iran Endorses Obama.

    (2) ● The U.N. endorses Obama

    (3) ● Hugo Chavez endorses Obama

    (4) ● Fidel Castro before going vege endorses Obama

    (5) ● Vladamir Putin endorses Obama

    (6) ● Hamas endorses Obama

    WOOHOO! Racking them up! The global candidate! Throw these in with the chants of “Obama! Obama! We’re all Osamas now!” in Egypt, Libya, Yemen, and Pakistan embassies, and it could be a clean sweep.

    Give that man another Nobel Prize! {seal clap} {seal clap} Arf! Arf!

  • 101. Rutherford  |  October 21, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    Instead of resting my sore throat yesterday I went to a benefit for my nephew’s wife and I’m now paying the price. I’ve got a cold and I’ve basically lost my voice (it’s a creek) so no comments today … sorry.

    I do have one for Poolman upcoming.

  • 102. Rutherford  |  October 22, 2012 at 12:01 am

    Attention to Poolman and anyone else who cares about more than just a two party system. There will be a debate (at the Chicago Hilton .. I should attend live but I won’t) among the four non-mainstream candidates. It will be streamed live Tuesday night on the Intertubes and hosted by the venerable Larry King.

    http://freeandequal.org/events/presidential-debate/

    Poolman, if your man had any real balls, he would’ve run as an Independent. The folks in this debate are the real mavericks, albeit of the Don Quixote variety.

  • 103. Rutherford  |  October 22, 2012 at 12:05 am

    Hey Tex, the major newspaper of both Utah and Florida endorsed Obama. Those socialist/pinko/communist/terrorist banana republic media outlets!!!! :shock:

    Utah of all places doesn’t endorse a Mormon? Wow does something smell bad in Denmark!!!

  • 104. poolman  |  October 22, 2012 at 12:28 am

    Poolman, if your man had any real balls, he would’ve run as an Independent.

    Oh really? The man chose to run as a republican and fought their corrupt hierarchy the whole time. There are still lawsuits pending regarding the unfair treatment of him and his constituents.

    He’s run as libertarian before. He knows the only chance anyone seeking the presidency in Amerika has had has been by being branded one of those two teams.

    The man has stood his ground against the corruption and corporate influence for over 30 years. He had the nickname of Dr No. Lobbyists gave up and wouldn’t even bother him. He has always stood for the Constitution first. He’s more than proven he has the balls for the job. Hell, he even served in the armed forces and in his community with his medical profession.

    I knew about the Larry King debate, but thanks for posting. Many won’t bother if I provide the link. That is one I will watch because they will actually debate REAL issues. But the vast sheeple of this land won’t bother. It will enlighten a few for future success.

    The clip I posted of Ron Paul on campus in Utah shows more enthusiasm there for him and his message of liberty than there are for Mitt.

    But hey, now that Mormonism is no longer considered a cult by Evangelicals, he may pull in more of the dog whistled religious right.

  • 105. Tex Taylor  |  October 22, 2012 at 1:07 am

    Newspapers are virtually exclusively lib, even in Utah. The Tulsa World sings Obama’s praises virtually none stop and Bongo didn’t win one county in seventy-seven here. The Orlando Sentinel is ap

    Interestingly, lifelong Dimocrats like Lee Iococca and John Hofmeister, the smartest energy man in this country IMO, are endorsing Mitt Romney after endorsing the idiot four years ago.

    By they way. What is the Florida paper of record? Perhaps you missed this after endorsing Obama in 2008.

    Orlando Sentinel editorial board endorses Republican Mitt Romney

    If I were you, I would be a little worried about what is trending. Hopefully, Romney finishes it off tomorrow night.

    Mongo is a sitting duck. :wink:

  • 106. Tex Taylor  |  October 22, 2012 at 1:14 am

    Well, we know that Ron Paul the Loser ain’t going to be pulling anybody of significance….Paul couldn’t win dog catcher across this country.

    Evangelicals which will be out in force this time against the forces of raghead evil in your cult, Allahu Man. Think Chick-A-Fil.

    But then, you and momma can’t afford Chick-A-Fil night on the town scratching for change in the sofa, so you wouldn’t be aware of that.

  • 107. Tex Taylor  |  October 22, 2012 at 1:18 am

    By the way, “R” Man. I found this…

    For more than a century, the Tribune has been perceived as the left-leaning, non-Mormon — sometimes anti-Mormon — daily newspaper in a Democratic city in a Mormon-dominated state.

    The Tribune has endorsed Republicans from time to time, but it also endorsed Obama in 2008.

    Romney is polling at about 72% in Utah. :wink: I don’t think the paper is on the same page as the people.

    Besides, newspapers are going the way of Newsweek. And that’s a good thing.

  • 108. Tex Taylor  |  October 22, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Maybe Fat Grannies had a change of heart?

  • 109. Tex Taylor  |  October 22, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Check it out…the Obama economy that Rutherford and Thor keep telling us is solid. Remember. Obama is for the middle class. :wink:

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/not-just-gas-check-out-the-drastic-price-increases-on-these-21-everyday-items/

  • 110. El Tigre  |  October 22, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    http://twitter.yfrog.com/z/h0qe7sxj

  • 111. Rutherford  |  October 22, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    I don’t know the details, but if the charges are true, Obama’s malfeansance, Jimmy Savile, and the Penn State case share a moral equivalence.

    James, I’m taking your comment out of context having not read the full thread yet, but on the face of it, this is ludicrous. To put Obama and Sandusky in the same sentence is total nonsense. I know your opinions are informed by a traumatic war experience and I also know you are very sensitive to issues of betrayal. But there is a very simple bottom line … every act of terrorism we have faced, from 9/11 to the USS Cole can be Monday-morning-quarterbacked. If we impeached every President on duty when there was senseless loss of American life somewhere in the world, we’d be impeaching Presidents left and right (no political pun intended).

    The point of this article is that adequate time needs to be given for a thorough investigation of what went wrong in Benghazi and that investigation needs to occur without trying to score political points or influence an election. I don’t know about Obama, but I’m pretty sure Hillary personally knew Chris Stevens. If you don’t think this loss didn’t hit her in the gut then you’re allowing partisanship to badly cloud your thinking.

    And the facts are that intelligence reports about Benghazi did change over time. I think the best bet of the administration would have been a “no comment” policy until they knew more. But we both know that would not have satisfied the hungry 24/7 news cycle.

    P.S. If you are as concerned about betrayal as I know you are, you should give careful thought to the info dump done by Darrell Issa that has openly identified and therefore endangered some of our Libyan informants.

  • 112. Rutherford  |  October 22, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Isn’t there some RICO statute that Donald Trump can be busted for? Isn’t being a public nuisance at least a misdemeanor? :neutral:

  • 113. Tex Taylor  |  October 22, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    If you are as concerned about betrayal as I know you are, you should give careful thought to the info dump done by Darrell Issa that has openly identified and therefore endangered some of our Libyan informants.

    Got a bigger concern. What is David Axelrod doing with security clearance?

  • 114. Rutherford  |  October 22, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    From the interviews I’ve seen, Axelrod doesn’t have security clearance.

  • 115. Tex Taylor  |  October 22, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Jack Wheeler is a brilliant man who was the author of Reagan’s strategy to break the back of the Soviet Union with the star wars race and expose their inner weakness. For years he wrote a weekly intelligence update that was extremely interesting and well structured and informative. He consults(ed) with several mega corporations on global trends and the future, etc. He is in semi-retirement now. He is a true patriot with a no-nonsense approach to everything. He is also a somewhat well-known mountain climber and adventurer.

    Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler

    The O-man, Barack Hussein Obama, is an eloquently tailored empty suit. No resume, no accomplishments, no experience, no original ideas, no understanding of how the economy works, no understanding of how the world works, no balls, nothing but abstract, empty rhetoric devoid of real substance.

    He has no real identity. He is half-white, which he rejects. The rest of him is mostly Arab, which he hides but is disclosed by his non-African Arabic surname and his Arabic first and middle names as a way to triply proclaim his Arabic parentage to people in Kenya . Only a small part of him is African Black from his Luo grandmother, which he pretends he is exclusively.

    What he isn’t, not a genetic drop of, is ‘African-American,’ the descendant of enslaved Africans brought to America chained in slave ships. He hasn’t a single ancestor who was a slave. Instead, his Arab ancestors were slave owners. Slave-trading was the main Arab business in East Africa for centuries until the British ended it.

    Let that sink in: Obama is not the descendant of slaves, he is the descendant of slave owners. Thus he makes the perfect Liberal Messiah.

    It’s something Hillary doesn’t understand – how some complete neophyte came out of the blue and stole the Dem nomination from her. Obamamania is beyond politics and reason. It is a true religious cult, whose adherents reject Christianity yet still believe in Original Sin, transferring it from the evil of being human to the evil of being white.

    Thus Obama has become the white liberals’ Christ, offering absolution from the Sin of Being White. There is no reason or logic behind it, no faults or flaws of his can diminish it, no arguments Hillary could make of any kind can be effective against it. The absurdity of Hypocrisy Clothed In Human Flesh being their Savior is all the more cause for liberals to worship him: Credo quia absurdum, I believe it because it is absurd.

    His candidacy is ridiculous and should not be taken seriously by any thinking American.

    Can I hear an Amen? Ahh……….

  • 116. Rutherford  |  October 22, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Now getting all the way back to Tex’s rant at the top of the thread … mmm which am I gonna believe, Fox News or the New York Times? What a laugh.

    And by the way, precision in language is called for here. A sixteen member team of SEALS and other special forces were removed from embassy protection in late August. Stevens wasn’t killed at an embassy. He was killed at a consulate. And I’m pretty damn sure security protocols are different for the two different types of locations.

    I’ve still got a lot of thread to go through but my prelim opinion of this entire conversation is that everyone with the exception of Gorilla (who does foreign affairs for a living) and perhaps Alfie, for whom it is a major specific focus of interest, should just STFU cos most of you don’t have the slightest idea what you’re talking about. With that said, I’m quite sure Gorilla blames Obama for Stevens death. Sadly partisanship colors even the judgements of a professional. :-(

  • 117. Tex Taylor  |  October 22, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    Oh yes, Rutherford. You’ve demonstrated your vast wealth of knowledge here time and again – especially foreign policy, economics and finance.

    Why don’t you explain to us serfs the difference between an embassy and a consulate. Amazing how your sources are always gospel, and anything outside that realm is fiction. Frankly, I find you so lame anymore, I don’t bother to get too specific.

    Here’s what I do know.

    I know enough to know Christopher Stevens had requested many times additional security, including the day of his death.

    And he’s dead.

    Obama fucked up because the Al Qaeda flags were flying on the government buildings for weeks before the attack. But that flew in the face of Obama’s claims that Al Qaeda had been decimated under his regime. Sheer politics caused four unnecessary deaths.

    And you’re a lackey and a liar for attempting to cover for Obama’s gross incompetence and following coverup.

    Can’t slither out of this one, little snake of forked tongue.

  • 118. Rutherford  |  October 22, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    An interesting take from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Stevens could have gone to Tripoli for 9/11 and he would have been safer. He died the way he lived … committed to maintaining a bond with the Libyan people. Their behavior in the aftermath of his death bears this out.

    http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/10/22/in-benghazi-stevens-fatally-misjudged-risk-reward/

  • 119. Rutherford  |  October 22, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    For those who don’t want to read the article, the accompanying video makes it sound like our security approach in Libya was not completely unreasonable nor irresponsible.

  • 120. Rutherford  |  October 22, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    The irony is that the Right supports exactly the same policies as the Left, and each thinks the other is the Antichrist.

    You know Pfesser, this is what happened this morning.

    Suffering from a raspy throat and chest cold, I came out to the kitchen and heard Stephanie Cutter flapping her gums again. (Damn if she isn’t the worst spokesperson Obama could possibly have chosen!) I had an epiphany. My wife didn’t like my epiphany but f*ck it.

    No one, not Democrat nor Republican, knows how to get us out of this mess we are in. It is all just posturing and empty words from both sides. Not a damn person really knows what the f*ck to do.

    So you know what it comes down to? Ms. Cutter could have saved us all a lot of time by just saying:

    Obama hasn’t the foggiest idea how to get us out of this mess and neither does Romney. They’re all just spouting talking points. So this is the decision you have to make. Do you vote for Obama or do you vote for the asshole?

    Wow would it have been refreshing to hear that. Even if you don’t agree with it, it sure does strip away a lot of the BS.

    Boys and Muffy … I am going to watch the debate tonight but the rest of you, don’t bother … no matter what happens you’ll say Romney won. Go do something better with your time. :neutral:

  • 121. Tex Taylor  |  October 22, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    You quote the AJC and the NYT as gospel? :twisted: The news from Cynthia Tucker and former Enron adviser Paul Krugman. :lol:

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/09/05/cynthia-tucker-voter-anger-about-racism-fear-white-minority

    They sodomized the man and asphyxiated him, Rutherford. I feel reasonably safe that was not the bond Christopher Stephens was seeking.

    http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/2012/05/25/527-mike-luckovich-cartoon-contraception-debate/

    The gospel of truth and objectivity!!!

  • 122. dead rabbit  |  October 22, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    Off topic…….but isn’t being a family man the best? Was thinking that driving home. I don’t want to jinx anything……but I’m pretty sure I’m living those days that you reflect back on and smile about when your knocking on heaven’s door.

  • 123. Rutherford  |  October 22, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    Even TODAY David Ignatius is reporting that the intelligence AS OF TODAY is still uncertain regarding Libya. Ignatius reports that Susan Rice reported what intelligence had briefed her on.

    Like I said earlier many of you pontificating on stuff you know nothing about. Professionals are having trouble making sense of the chaos. If they can’t then neither Sean Costello Hannity nor you can.

  • 124. Rutherford  |  October 22, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    I’m glad you’re mellow Rabbit. Enjoy it.

  • 125. El Tigre  |  October 22, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Obama called it terrorism in the rose garden. He called it. There’s the confusion.

    So which is responsible for Obama’s foreign policy, the State or Interior depts?

  • 126. Rutherford  |  October 22, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Will Bob Scheffer ask Obama if it’s ok to kill a 16 year old cos his Dad was a bad guy? I doubt it. :-(

  • 127. El Tigre  |  October 22, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    There’s no confusion. :roll:

  • 128. Rutherford  |  October 22, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    Dumb Tigre. It’s terrorism regardless.

  • 129. El Tigre  |  October 22, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    Then what was the epiphany at the debate?

  • 130. El Tigre  |  October 22, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Oh, I forgot. . . retard.

  • 131. Raji  |  October 22, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    @ 120 “No one, not Democrat nor Republican, knows how to get us out of this mess we are in. It is all just posturing and empty words from both sides. Not a damn person really knows what the f*ck to do.”

    Truer words were never spoken, Rutherford!

  • 132. Tex Taylor  |  October 22, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Truer words were never spoken, Rutherford!

    Actually, it’s already been done with a higher misery rate than we have currently.

    His name was Ronald Reagan assisted by Paul Volcker, and he inherited a 10.8% unemployment rate, a prime of 14.5%, a Dimocratic Congress, a hostage crisis, Saddam with fissile material, and an existential threat called the USSR.

  • 133. Tex Taylor  |  October 22, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Rutherford said he’s a big fan of Chris Christie and might have voted for him. I think it’s another in a long list of baloney, but…if so:

  • 134. Tex Taylor  |  October 22, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    When I think of the Dimocratic Party, this is what I think of usually:

    (Be forewarned – not work/kid friendly):

    http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2012/10/22/this-is-what-a-blue-state-looks-like/

  • 135. James  |  October 22, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    Rutherford, I am dog sitting in Omaha and have had little time to check things,.I wrote the truth. Each of the three examples I mentioned, when reduced to their basic elements are the same. A leader (s) betrayed people for whom they were responsible. To say otherwise is ludicrous.

    The administration received several requests for better security, and Ambassador Stevenson noted the dangerous situation in Bengazi. The counsolate was a rented complex mostly guarded by Libyans. Obama should have known and taken action.

    Former CIA commander Gary Berntsen said officials within the Obama administration had to know what was happening because they watched it via a live feed from a drone as the attack took place. Stevenson and another man survived for six hours.

    There was time to send in a military force, but we did nothing as when we left the Montagnard tribesmen to their fate. A true leader makes fast decisions when information is limited, but our so called leaders did nothing, Then, Obama and his administration lied to the world when at the very least, they still had doubts about what was happening. i am giving them the benefit of the doubt, because i think they knew and thought they could cover themselves.

    One of the leaders is giving television interviews, picking his nieces and nephews up from school and mocking the US and Libyan governments.

    Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton were impeached for political reasons and for purgery respectively. Obama should be tried for incompetence and lying to protect himself. ‘This is different from wars of questionable value. We enter them after national debate.

    The Bengazi attack was a specific incident much of which was broadcast live. That makes it different.

    The other two presidents did nothing as egregious as what I think Obama did. His indecision helped kill four Americans and endangered an unknown number of Libyans.

    Some of the latest “fog of war” cover stories are dog crap. I learned many things in the service. On one base, our officers schooled us on how to convincingly lie to the media in the event of a nuclear accident ‘That is what Susan Rice and her co conspirators were doing.

    I heard about Darrel Issa, but I haven’t had time to research his blunders, When I do, I will rant about him also.

  • 136. James  |  October 22, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    I agree with Tex in 132. Besides Reagan, the Estonians now are pulling themselves from worse economic misery than we have endured.

    Our country has a history of betrayal. Eisenhour gave Communist satalite countries the impression we would help them.The Hungarians revolted , and we let them twist in the wind. Later, Bush the elder encouraged Iraqis to overthrown Sadam Hussein, and they did. Again, we let them die.

  • 137. dead rabbit  |  October 22, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    I was hoping Romney would say we should withhold money from Egypt. Not give them more!

    These dudes seem to have close to the same foreign policy. The only difference is one has no experience and the other is constantly gun decking the truth for the sake of expediency.

  • 138. El Tigre  |  October 22, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Did president Marine “Corpse” say killing bin laden was “doing something even if it was unpopular?”

  • 139. dead rabbit  |  October 22, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Lol. Yes he did.

  • 140. Tex Taylor  |  October 22, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Obama has been very solid.

    If you can just ignore the last four years.

  • 141. dead rabbit  |  October 22, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Romney was strong with China.

  • 142. Tex Taylor  |  October 22, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Romney was playing it safe. He must think he’s sitting okay not taking the bait. Obama was trying to tie Romney to Bush. Didn’t work.

  • 143. dead rabbit  |  October 22, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Obama didn’t need the petty cheap shots.

    Its hard to blame Obama for the result of the Arab Spring, despite the apology tour. Romney offered nothing substantial on how he would have handled it differently, nor how he would handle it going forward.

  • 144. El Tigre  |  October 22, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    I think Romney’s strategy was the right one. Playing it safe. Foreign policy ain’t gonna win the election unless you appear to be looking for fights with a war wear public. It stole Obama’s steam and showed an ability to be diplomatic.

    Did you know we have these things called aircraft carriers?

    He President Marine Corpse, they still use bayonets.

  • 145. dead rabbit  |  October 22, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Yeah. I agree. Romney came off nothing like Bush. He sounded like Obama’s running mate.

  • 146. El Tigre  |  October 22, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    The cheap shots won’t play well. Lame. Petty.

  • 147. El Tigre  |  October 22, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    “He sounded like Obama’s running mate.”
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Well the left will have trouble complaining then.

  • 148. dead rabbit  |  October 22, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    I thought it was a great moment when Romney refused to answer the stupid question about Israel calling after their bombers took off.

  • 149. poolman  |  October 22, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Interesting Benghazi updates. New twist. You guys are down with official accounts like gospel, right?

    These officials added that the number of CIA operatives in Benghazi clearly outnumbered that of the diplomatic staff. It took two military cargo aircraft to lift everyone out of Benghazi when the fighting was over, they claimed.

    Both the CIA outpost and the consulate were attacked on September 11. Two of the men killed, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods, were hit by indirect fire while defending the intelligence post, not the consulate.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/22/cia-installation-hit-in-libya-terror-attack/

    Do you think the POTUS knows everything the CIA is doing? Honest question.

  • 150. Noah  |  October 22, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    Rutherford: “with the exception of Gorilla (who does foreign affairs for a living”

    Rutherford: “With that said, I’m quite sure Gorilla blames Oblama for Stevens death. Sadly partisanship colors even the judgements of a professional.”

    Translation from my psycho Leftist dictionary: Doesn’t matter how credible you are, if you do not agree with me, it is obviously a flaw with you.

    Romney the clear victor tonight.

    Oblama made a lot of petty, Rutherford type arguments. Most of his points were disconnected and had nothing to do with his main point. Oblama was speaking to the idiots like Rutherford. Romney invested in a company in China, who once traded with Iran, and that was why Romney wasn’t a leader. What the fuck is that?

    Obama shot himself in the ass with his condescending remarks about carriers and subs. This was a rookie move by a man who was getting his ass handed to him, he got frustrated and panicked. Not very Presidential at all.

    Who talked about substance, and who made personal attacks? No different than on this blog, the Republican spoke to plans and substance, Obama to other people’s failures and a wing and a prayer….err hope and change.

  • 151. Tex Taylor  |  October 22, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    I thought it was a great moment when Romney refused to answer the stupid question about Israel calling after their bombers took off.

    I tell you guys. Romney has risen to the occasion – he’s far more clever than I originally gave him credit. The bottom line is, Romney is simply far more intelligent than Obama and it shows every time they share a stage.

    Tell you one other that’s going to stick. “Attacking me is not an agenda.”

    That bomber question was a fabulous answer. That was Schieffer’s gotcha question, and Romney shoved it up Schieffer’s ass and Obama’s lame ass indirectly. Those kinds of questions stumped Profane McCain and Sarah Palin.

    Not Romney.

    Let’s not speculate in hypothetical. Absolutely. And that’s been Obama’s problem. He’s surrounded by eggheads without real world experience. Besides his malignant narcissism, the fact Obama and his minions have no real world experience in puts them at clear disadvantage.

  • 152. Alfie  |  October 22, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    I feel Romney played this close to how I called it earlier.
    Rutherford 116 I think Libya offers a lot of lessons and warnings.There is without a doubt some stink on this whole thing. I for one primarily put Obama in it secondary to me being a “the buck stops here” kind of guy.I used this same line of thinking in somewhat supporting BHO on the kill list thing.(R you may recall that to be true)
    A couple of threads ago I dropped a comment about how the French and USA were upping assets in North Africa/Mali including drones in Libya.
    Not for nothing but there is definite stink all up on this.

  • 153. James  |  October 22, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    Poolman, I don’t know what the president knows about the CIA activities. He should know what is happening . I don’t take official statements as gospel.

    I think Obama won slightly because he performed aggressively and landed more blowsl. Romney seemed to be holding back as he let Obama reveal his peevishness. It may be like Waterloo in another context when ABBA sang “I feel like I win when I lose,”

  • 154. Tex Taylor  |  October 22, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    Poolman, for once I’ll give you credence but you’ve got one huge problem in the context of your question. You’ll have to start over.

    And it won’t work for you and Rutherford.

    You referenced Fox News. And by default, that makes it not credible. Ask Rutherford. :wink:

  • 155. Rutherford  |  October 23, 2012 at 1:11 am

    I see that against my advice some of you watched the debate. Leave it to Dead Rabbit to inadvertently sum up the entire debate:

    Yeah. I agree. Romney came off nothing like Bush. He sounded like Obama’s running mate.

    Yup, that was most of the debate in a nutshell. Obama talks and then Romney replies “yeah, what he said.”

    So this is the bottom line … like Obama, hate Obama, doesn’t matter, he described what he DID for the past four years. Romney showed that he studied pretty well for his oral exam.

    Big Obama win — “horses and bayonets”, showed Romney to be the amateur he is on the subject.

    Big Obama loss — he allowed the diss on missile defense in Poland to go unchallenged and he allowed Solyndra to go unchallenged.

    Schrieffer let too much of the debate wallow in domestic policy when the debate was supposed to be about foreign policy.

    Best pundit analysis: I don’t usually like Sharpton but he made a boxing analogy that was right on the money. Romney would jab, Obama would punch back and then Romney would clinch. Romney spent most of the night clinching. :-)

  • 156. Tex Taylor  |  October 23, 2012 at 1:23 am

    Best pundit analysis: I don’t usually like Sharpton but he made a boxing analogy that was right on the money. Romney would jab, Obama would punch back and then Romney would clinch. Romney spent most of the night clinching.

    Guess you missed the lines

    (1) No where are we appreciably better in the world since you took office, Mr. President.
    (2) Your own Sec. of Defense said your $1 trillion dollar defense cuts would be devastating.
    (3) The Apology Tour – your President Obama called us dismissive and derisive (countries listed). We freed those countries.
    (4) You can’t have a strong national defense, when you have a weak economy (paraphrased) with a list of Obama’s most egregious failures.
    (5) The closing statements – Obama’s was awful. The same tired cliche and rhetoric. Romney’s was excellent.

    I do give Obama this. He has one amazing talent that can’t explain even unobjective, lying hacks like you.

    Presenting failure as success is an amazing talent.

  • 157. Noah  |  October 23, 2012 at 1:33 am

    Wow Rutherford. What kind of debate class did you take? Must have involved a lot of affirmative action. A LOT!

    Big Obama win — “horses and bayonets”

    I agree, this snide, condescending point, was the best he had. A small man, unable to stick to the point at hand, attacking what he could not defend, worshiped on here by an even smaller man.

    “Big Obama loss — he allowed the diss on missile defense in Poland to go unchallenged and he allowed Solyndra to go unchallenged. ”

    What is to defend about his comment to Putin? Quote ” This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility” He is a fucking traitor to his country. Defend that!

    What was there to defend against the dozen or so failed companies the President blindly threw money at hoping SOMETHING would stick?

    A true spin doctor with the scent of Oblama dick on your breath. Get a clue.

  • 158. Tex Taylor  |  October 23, 2012 at 1:44 am

    So Rutherford, what do you think is going to sell better to the undecided voters?

    Obama: “Horses and bayonets”

    Romney: “Attacking me is not an agenda…”
    :razz:

    P.S. – special forces are still using horses and bayonets.

  • 159. poolman  |  October 23, 2012 at 1:56 am

    You referenced Fox News. And by default, that makes it not credible.

    lol. Actually found it here, but it came from Fox, so I linked it there. Fox has always been a mixed bag. I thought Judge Napolitano excellent and still enjoy Reality Check. They can get it right. But that isn’t they’re primary agenda.

  • 160. poolman  |  October 23, 2012 at 2:09 am

    Brother Nathanael is upping his game. You’ll have to follow the link, I won’t imbed the video so there will be a tad less whining from those that do. Whine that is. You know who you are. :grin:

  • 161. Noah  |  October 23, 2012 at 2:23 am

    You do have to feel bad for Obama. Can you imagine if he is reelected, the mess he will inherit from the President over the last 4 years? I have to imagine though the arguments will be far more entertaining to listen to as he tries to blame…himself. Its still not my fault!

  • 162. James  |  October 23, 2012 at 8:44 am

    “Horses and bayonets” was unpresidential and hurt Obama except among true believers. Omaha radio station KFAB cited a survey of independents and undecided voters. 77 to 32% had a more favorable impression of Romney.

    Obama won on points, but as Frieda and Agnetha sang “I feel like I win when I lose.”

    If Obama and Romney should get an equal number of Electoral College votes, we could end up with President Romney and
    Vice President Biden. Wouldn’t that be special?

  • 163. El Tigre  |  October 23, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Tex, guys in the can like Rutherford cannot hear the points being scored by Romney. They exist at too high a frequency. Ironically, its what R considers “big scores” that prove Romney’s strategy was effective. Keep score all you want, and declare Obama the “winner.” It’s “how” Obama conducted himself (and conversely how Romney conducted himself) that made Romney the winner.

    As before, Obama was condescending, arrogant, rude, petty, and touted fictitious success (domestic and foreign) as though no one was witness to the last four years. The immovable lefties cheer because (like O’Donnell) it’s their concept of being tough. As always, by proxy.

    Romney was again more human and a complete departure from the cartoon offered by left as a substitute for a vision, plan or even an agenda of any import. He looked and sounded presidential and competent. In this game, that’s a 3 point swish. Those that are gratified and validated by the MSNBC-grade images are incapable of seeing it having completely lost sight of the real objective (undecided). And that is delicious.

    The aircraft carrier, sub and bayonet etc. references were lame and a off-putting as shit. I would say the same had Romeny made the comments. Dumb.

  • 164. Noah  |  October 23, 2012 at 9:50 am

    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/102212-630346-obama-gets-too-many-dictator-endorsements-for-president.htm

    An interesting article of where Oblama has made friends around the world.

  • 165. poolman  |  October 23, 2012 at 9:55 am

    It’s getting more and more like Stockholm syndrome here the closer we get to November listening to these righties sidle up to ‘their man’. Tex and Tigre’s comments almost dripping with honey neotame. :lol:

    Keep stroking boys, you’ll get ‘er done. :grin:

  • 166. El Tigre  |  October 23, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Yeah. Ron Paul 2012!!! :lol:

    Talk about Stockholm syndrome.

    Keep picking daisies, you’ll get ‘er done. . . whatever “‘er” is.

  • 167. El Tigre  |  October 23, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Favorite line? “the eighties called and wants its foreign policy back.”

    I guess a “yo mamma” joke was nixed in favor of that. Stoooooopid.

    Also loved the lecture about campaigning rather than taking foreign diplomatic relations/FP seriously coming from the guy that went to bed after learning of the Benghazi attack and was campaigning in Vegas as the body of one of his ambassadors was being dragged through the streets.

  • 168. Tex Taylor  |  October 23, 2012 at 10:46 am

    See Poolman. This is what I was talking to the room earlier this week. You’re so ignorant, I should have ignored you not two days after you showed up here. But you’re so vile, it’s almost impossible.

    I would try to leave you alone, but once again you’ve made it personal. Obviously, like so many other things, you don’t understand what Stockholm Syndrome even means and you misused “sidle”(d) because you don’t understand the definition of that either.

    The height of your irony is that you don’t even recognize in your inane support for Paul, Paul’s criticisms about what ails America are directed as lowlifes, losers and morons like you. Paul demands the freeloading to stop, and you and that blob with bad teeth you’re married to are America’s First Freeloading couple.

    Tigre, if you want to indulge, be my guest. I’m going to attempt to ignore the Holocaust denier, moron and loser as persona non grata.

    I seldom click on his links and never his videos anyway.

  • 169. Tex Taylor  |  October 23, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Want to see how truly ludicrous and clueless these Dimocratic voters really are, and why if Romney elected are problems are much deeper than just an election for President? This is consummate Dimocratic thinking, and apparently in line with The Chair and his staff.

    Check this link out.

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1600092

    And by the way, this is one of the sites that Newtsico used to provide on a regular basis. She apparently disappeared after Obama’s epic meltdown after the first debate as I predicted.

    I only hope Romney can somehow keep the NASCAR vote.

  • 170. El Tigre  |  October 23, 2012 at 11:05 am

    My Lord. That DU link is priceless.

    Tex, I skip most all of Poolman’s comments and haven’t clicked a link of his in over a year (to my knowledge). Almost universal petulant b.s. looking for an avenue to hit us with some worthless sanctimony.

    Oh the futility of it all is. Zzzzzzzzz.

    Now what is Palin up to? Can’t take our eyes off of that threat.

  • 171. James  |  October 23, 2012 at 11:38 am

    The past debates illustrate why Obama has had trouble negotiatinwith Republicans and why Pelosi and Reid set his calls to mute.

  • 172. thorsaurus  |  October 23, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    “Can you imagine if he is reelected, the mess he will inherit from the President over the last 4 years?” Noah
    :) That was actually pretty funny.

    At some points, I thought Romney was going to reach out and clasp Obama’s hand in a Thelma and Louise sisterhood moment. Obama won this one. He and Biden won the series 3-1. The question is, did any of it matter after he lost so bad in the first debate. I know you guys don’t think much of numbers and polls and such, but Nate Silver’s projections show a distinct break in Romney’s momentum after the VP debate. It continued after the second Presidential debate. If it continues after this one, Obama might have done just enough to eek this out. I guess we’ll know in two weeks.

    Also of note is Silver’s Senate prediction. For most of the Summer, it appeared the Repubs were poised to retake the Senate. Now they are projected to have nearly no chance. Thank you Mr. “Legitimate Rape” Akin and Mr. “Just LOOK at her, she ain’t no Indian” Brown. Dems couldn’t have done it without you. ;)

  • 173. Alfie  |  October 23, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    thor you are a great example of a person looking at a set of items they approve of. I suppose you can say the same of me when I say this. Akin and Brown are going to win.

  • 174. Tex Taylor  |  October 23, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Funny how we look at the world, Thor. Romney has been steadily gaining in the polls after each debate – a debate you say Romney continues to lose. Biden was a joke and fair minded people knew it. Romney actually gained ground after that too.

    You say Obama won, but the only polls that matter are what happened with undecided voters. And last night, once again Romney won that too even in a CBS focus group.

    Nate Silver predicted the Republicans would win 38 seats in 2010 until it became so obvious, I think he bumped the number to 53 two days before the election. :twisted: I’m not terribly worried what Nate Silver thinks as I think Nate about as credible as the NYT.

    I can’t speak for Massachusetts as they were willing to swill for a drunk and manslaughter proponent for President for 40 years to the Senate. That state is screwed up beyond measure morally and culturally. Elizabeth Warren has lied through her teeth and is frankly a reprehensible person, a national joke and hypocrite. The fact that race is close speaks volumes about the fiber of Massachusetts.

    But I wouldn’t count Akins out. I think you’re going to be surprised in both the Presidential election and some of these Senate races. Not much has changed since 2010, Thor, much as you would like to think so.

    MaCaskill was once again busted last week with her husband for Sen. Claire McCaskill’s husband cut business deals in Senate Dining Room – courtesy of stimulus money. People don’t like a thief and benefactor on the public dime.

    You came in here all cocky before the very first debate just chalk sure of yourself and belittling Romney. Then Romney cleaned the Chair’s clock. I’ve noticed you’ve been more absent since.

    We will see…

  • 175. Tex Taylor  |  October 23, 2012 at 1:01 pm

  • 176. Noah  |  October 23, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    169
    This is the end result of the Lefts attempts to dumb down the populace. Basic economics need to be taught in our schools.

  • 177. Tex Taylor  |  October 23, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    “Reporting the release of the new Obama agenda two weeks out from the election, CNN’s Jessica Yellin came out visibly annoyed: ‘There’s not anything significantly new in here, it’s just all compiled in a nice booklet now.’”

    :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

  • 178. Tex Taylor  |  October 23, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Friend –

    I don’t want to lose this election.

    Not because of what losing would mean for me — Michelle and I will be fine no matter what happens.

    But because of what it would mean for our country and middle-class families.

    This race is very close.

    I’m not willing to watch the progress you and I worked so hard to achieve be undone.

    Time is running out to make an impact — please don’t wait any longer. Donate $5 or more today:

    https://donate.barackobama.com/Two-Weeks

    I believe in you. If you stick with me, and if we fight harder than ever for the next two weeks, I truly believe we can’t lose.

    Thank you,

    Barack

    P.S. — I don’t know what Election Night will hold, but I’d like you to be a part of the event here in Chicago. Any donation you make today automatically enters you for a chance to meet me — airfare and hotel for you and a guest are covered.

    This is almost as pitiful as requesting the wedding registry gifts. :sad:

  • 179. Noah  |  October 23, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    What do you expect Tex. It is his way, his culture if you will. He has no shame, none anyway that would compare with his self interest. He certainly has no pride and no respect for the office for which he holds. Just another tragic consequence of the failed notion of affirmative action.

  • 180. Noah  |  October 23, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    I do love this woman. I would offer up everything I own to get Oblama to debate her just one time on live TV.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ann-coulter-ignites-controversy-over-anti-obama-tweet-i-highly-approve-of-romneys-decision-to-be-kind-gentle-to-the-retard/

  • 181. James  |  October 23, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    On a cheerier note. ” you’re gone gone away. I watch you disappear. All this stuff is just a ghost of you.” Monsters and Men, an Icelandic band with current world-wide fame sings “Little Talks” a song with a couple’s dialogue about insanity or one of their being dead.

    I caught a new meaning. With luck we are watching Obama disappear.

  • 182. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 23, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Absolutely true. He not only signed it – if you will remember, he WROTE it. The Declaration, as a document enumerating the reasons for declaring independence, calls upon numerous emotionally appealing principles of right and wrong, often best described in Scripture. Not a thing wrong with that. It is very different from the Constitution, though, which – as a blueprint for the new nation – is entirely secular.

    Cogent, logical, and completely wrong.

    The Declaration of Independence is this nation’s charter. Much like modern day Articles of Incorporation, it contains both a mission statement, and a grant of authority from the sovereign to act in furtherance of that purpose.

    The first set of bylaws, the Articles of Confederation, were inadequate to the task of setting forth rules by which the nation was to be governed, or in enforcing those rules.

    The Constitution, Bylaws 2.0 were an attempt to correct the perceived weaknesses of Bylaws 1.0. However, it would be highly unusual to find any reference to the sovereign in bylaws, either in the past, or in the presence, and therefore, it is not unusual that He is not mentioned in the Constitution. That does nothing to change the century and half of legislation, much of which was passed and signed by some of the very same people you ignorantly propose to tell us didn’t recognize God, and did not expect him to play a role in this government. But then, reading the Federaist Papers, the legislation of the first several decades of Congress after the Constituon was ratified, and a walk around Washington D.C., including the Capitol and the Supreme Court will provide you with sufficent evidence that this denial flies in the face of their words, their lives, and their legacies.

  • 183. El Tigre  |  October 23, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    As I suspected, the day after hangover is proving that Obama’ss snarky “big wins” may satisfy the developmentally arrested, perpetual adolescents in the Jon Stewart/Chris Matthews universe and among the Kos/DU crowd, but they don’t impress actual adults.

    “Big Bird, Binders and Bayonets.” Small.

    Romney is playing chess. Obama is playing. . . with himself.

  • 184. Noah  |  October 23, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    What seems to be forgotten is that the courageous Pakistani Doctor who helped get the world’s most wanted terrorist was sentenced to 33 years in prison for high treason by Pakistan and remains in jail today. Today’s offering: http://www.investors.com/editorial-cartoons/michael-ramirez/630364

    This is the price you pay for helping the Oblama administration.

  • 185. El Tigre  |  October 23, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    You mean “Pockystan?”

  • 186. Tex Taylor  |  October 23, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    So, Obama is for the little man, hey Thor and Rutherford? What a disingenuous, complete self-absorbed POS….your man didn’t bother to address this when Romney mentioned it last night.

    http://news.investors.com/photopopup.aspx?id=630364

  • 187. dead rabbit  |  October 23, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Dude….that Democratic Underground article cracked me up. The best part was due to Internet add placement based on my behaivor online, APMEX.com had a huge add, showing a massive silver coin, right next to that silliness. Irony at its best.

  • 189. Rutherford  |  October 23, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    “I thought it was a great moment when Romney refused to answer the stupid question about Israel calling after their bombers took off.”

    I actually agree. Romney answered that one perfectly.

  • 191. muffy  |  October 23, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    Talk about bitter clingers. I haven’t watched this much MSNBC since, well, ever. It’s like Munchkinland.

    Romney is smarter than Obama. That’s right, I said it.

    The president overcompensated last night for his epic implosion in the first debate, and came off as peevish and petty. His bitch moves would have been beneath a bigger man, but they worked for him. So, evidently, do old jokes and snark that is best served unprovoked.

    To hell with self-awareness anyway. He is a complete success, perfect in every way – in his own mind. The good news for the Democrats is that all he has to do is win in Ohio, Wisconsin and Nevada.

    Regarding the attack on the Libya consulate: Obama sloughed off the briefings beforehand, and afterwards he seized on the video and the weirdly known fact (in a sea of supposed unknowns) that friendly Libyans carried the body of Chris Stevens to a hospital. He really doesn’t cotton to these questions and suggestions that he is not the King of Kings.

  • 192. Tex Taylor  |  October 23, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    Clean… :oops:

  • 193. Tex Taylor  |  October 23, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    It’s like Munchkinland.

    :lol: Ed Schultz, Lawrence O’Donnell, and Chris Matthews are the lollipop kids.

    Romney is smarter than Obama. That’s right, I said it.

    Said the exact same thing last night. Not even close…

  • 194. James  |  October 23, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Obama is the king of something and it isn’t kings.

  • 195. James  |  October 23, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    Lets hope that after the election, libs will squeal like stuck pigs. it’s too early to celebrate, of course.

  • 196. muffy  |  October 23, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Who can possibly think that “Romnesia” is a winning campaign strategy for the President of the United States of America? That’s like something pulled out of the rejected ideas pile from some poor dweeb in junior high running for class president.

  • 197. El Tigre  |  October 23, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Obamaroids.

  • 198. El Tigre  |  October 23, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Romnesia? Is that a “sniglet” from the eighties?

  • 199. El Tigre  |  October 23, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    As simply as I know how to put it, Obama lost his street scred.

    The next two weeks are going to be desperation central.

  • 200. El Tigre  |  October 23, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    “Street cred”

  • 201. PFesser  |  October 23, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Little OT, but fuck it.

    I never resigned from the medical staff at my hospital, and that is one thing not controlled by the administrators. Really pisses them off that i did not go quietly and am remaining on the staff, despite the Evil Empire’s having given an exclusive contract to my tormentors.

    A requirement for remaining on staff is to attend a certain percentage of medical staff meetings, so I went to the Full Staff meeting tonight. It was weird, I am the one who is unemployed, but I actually felt sorry for my former colleagues. They are being raped by the Evil Empire. The Empire has bought up all the small clinics in the area and the docs understand that they are expected to send patients to the Empire exclusively. Everybody has to sign an exclusive contract, with a two-year noncompete clause. Radiologists have a sixty-mile radius exclusion, unless they are interventional radiologists and they have a 180-mile radius in which they cannot practice for two years. They even have some of the younger pup doctors on the committee that is drafting the contract…poor bastards.

    I am going to fuck these people. And I know exactly how I’m going to do it. heh, heh. Evil, evil sonsofbitches. Never alienate a Hillbilly.

  • 202. Noah  |  October 23, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Nice little voter test…

    http://www.isidewith.com/presidential-election-quiz?from=176264424&fbp=nb2

    I did all the optional questions and came out 93% Romney

  • 203. poolman  |  October 23, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    Abby Martin bares it.

  • 204. Noah  |  October 23, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    You have got to be kidding me…..

    Earthquake experts worldwide expressed shock at the manslaughter convictions of six Italian scientists who failed to predict the deadly L’Aquila quake, warning that the decision could severely harm future research.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/world/europe/italy-quake-scientists-guilty/index.html

  • 205. Noah  |  October 23, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Well said

    And he can count on Rutherfords vote despite these truths.

  • 206. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 12:04 am

    Obama’s top debate point was saying how sanctions are crippling Iran’s economy. And if anyone knows about crippling an economy it’s Obama. ~ Jay Leno

  • 207. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 12:05 am

    BREAKING:

    White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack: emails. “Officials at the White House and State Department were advised two hours after attackers assaulted the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, on September 11 that an Islamic militant group had claimed credit for the attack, official emails show. . . .

    Administration spokesmen, including White House spokesman Jay Carney, citing an unclassified assessment prepared by the CIA, maintained for days that the attacks likely were a spontaneous protest against an anti-Muslim film.

    Bueller? Bueller?

  • 208. Noah  |  October 24, 2012 at 12:34 am

    I missed the further breakdown of my vote questionnaire.

    94% Republican
    56% Libertarian
    21% Green
    15% Democrat

    93% Mitt Romney Republican on economic, foreign policy, domestic policy, science, immigration, environmental, and social issues

    73% Gary Johnson Libertarian on economic, domestic policy, healthcare, and environmental issues

    64% Virgil Goode Constitution on economic, social, and environmental issues

    28% Barack Obama Democrat on environmental issues

    17% Jill Stein Green no major issues

    17% Rocky Anderson Justice no major issues

    48% Michigan Voters on domestic policy, healthcare, and science issues.

    54% American Voters on domestic policy, economic, foreign policy, science, healthcare, and environmental issues.

  • 209. Rutherford  |  October 24, 2012 at 1:13 am

    Lets hope that after the election, libs will squeal like stuck pigs. it’s too early to celebrate, of course.

    So much for the theory that my lack of presence might tone down the rhetoric.

    Devoted the day to “couch-rest” to beat this cold which I have just passed on to my wife.

    Interesting debate tonight among the four candidates who will never be President. More about that tomorrow most probably.

  • 210. James  |  October 24, 2012 at 8:50 am

    My rhetoric will remain inflamitory at times until I feel some justice has been done. This is a long-running pattern of leftist indifference to the general welfare of our country and our allies. For example, around 1976, the Omaha World Herald defended Joan Biaz after anti- war activiists accused her of treason to the cause. She had said the boat people and the Cambodian exterminations showed the North Vietnamese communists were not the good guys they had thought.

    Jack Murtha described the Slow Bleed as a way to let more Americans and Iraqis die to win an election.

    Now, Reulers has revealed e mails which prove the White House knew or should have known the counsolate was under terrorist attack as it happened. “Us Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi Under Attack” …”approximately 20 armed people fired shots, explosions have been heard as well.” A third e mail about two hours later said a terrorist group had already claimed credit for the attack on Twitter and Facebook.

    Addresses included the White House Situation Room where Obama was probably hiding under a desk. Other destinations included the FBI Command Center and various intelligence offices.Two of the murdered men were probably alive six hours later according to another report I heard yesterday..

    It is the lead story on Drudge right now.

    One of the comentors wrote “If this is true, then the President, Secretary of State, and Susan Rice ought to resign immediately. Remember, we impeached Clinton because he lied to us.” It is roughly what I have written.

    It is outrageous that Romney didn’t press the matter in the debate, and it is outrageous that Obama still holds office.

  • 211. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 9:43 am

    You know what, James. During the debate and shortly thereafter, like you I was outraged that Romney hadn’t raised BenghaziGate during the debate. But as the night wore on and the more thought I gave to it, I think Romney played Libya just right.

    Romney is running for President of the United States of America, not President of the Debate Club. Most Americans know Obama lied on Benghazi, and that he simply doesn’t care about America’s standing in the world.

    We’ve got the documentation to prove Obama and his lackeys, including the moronic Joe Biden and the inept Hillary Rotten Clinton, lied to the American populace.

    Let this play out in the media for a few days and let’s see what happens.

  • 212. El Tigre  |  October 24, 2012 at 9:59 am

    For the Rabbit. Thought this was kinda funny.

  • 213. El Tigre  |  October 24, 2012 at 10:10 am

    In total agreement,Tex.

    This whole thing is outrageous. Obama and Biden are complete lying fuckers. Anybody with brain that cares knows it. Still it’s better scrutinized by the public than at the debate where Obama’s continued dissembling would only muddy the issue and present another twisted talking point to feed the masses. As Tex said, Obama is a genius in one respect only: shamelessly characterizing and selling failure as success.

    All he’s got now is his embarrassing Jeff Foxworthy “Romnesia” routine. Just pitiful.

  • 214. El Tigre  |  October 24, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Worst part. He learns of Benghazi and goes to bed. Then flies to Vegas for fundraising and campaigning. Then sends his staff and press secretary to misrepresent the information they had, then has the balls to stand in front of the nation and pretend he called it for what it was on day two in the Rose Garden. Then blames the whole controversy weeks later first on his State department, then Hillary, then Romney and Ryan for bringing it up. Then stands before the nation two days ago and has the gall to talk his adversaries efforts to score political points out of a crisis after hauling some poor schmuck he fingered off to jail with all the fanfare of another Osama kill to the delight of the media to be released after the election.

  • 215. James  |  October 24, 2012 at 10:24 am

    You are probably right, Tex, but I really wanted to watch Obama squirm. He would have been trapped with no help except what Bob Sheifer provided. It will be fun to watch the media discuss the latest development.

    I participated in a panty raid during spring finals when I was a college freshman. It was a complex operation with some girls stealing the dorm key and having a duplicate made. They wired and taped the dorm mother inside her room.

    The police got the word, so we delayed our operation until 2AM This surprised everyone, including the girls who helped us.Mass confusion ensued after we turned off the power and stole the fuses.

    We all had alibis and only one man was arrested. He took the fall for all of us, and lost a semester’s work. None of us talked, and we
    escaped punishment though we were frequently taken to the Dean of Students office for questioning.

    The experience taught me why the Clinton administration got away with lying (others too). I still don’t understand why the Obama administration used such a stupid cover story when they should have known it would unravel. If hubris explains the blunder, it is even more disturbing than the attack and the lie.

  • 216. El Tigre  |  October 24, 2012 at 10:33 am

    As his comments to Medvedev, to make it past the election, James. The preeminent and only concern of this administration. And he’ll find the bad actors and bring them to justice with all the fervor of O.J. with the “real” killer.

    Buy time, buy time. . .

  • 217. El Tigre  |  October 24, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Breathtaking:

  • 218. El Tigre  |  October 24, 2012 at 10:55 am

    “When there’s a crisis we pull together as a nation. . .”

    Romney’s fault.

  • 219. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Damn, that video was funny, Tigre. :lol: :lol:

    That’s better than what I had in my head of The Rabbit’s teaching style:

  • 220. El Tigre  |  October 24, 2012 at 11:33 am

  • 221. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 11:37 am

    What is scary James and Tigre, at least to me, isn’t Obama’s actions and reaction to the situation in Benghazi.

    This is only the most obvious out of hundreds of examples the last four years of how corrupt, cowardly, confused, frankly naive, and grossly inept Obama is. I am not teasing when I call Obama not only a malignant narcissist, but a sociopath – unfeeling and cold. That act between he and his beloved wife? Phooey. It’s grandstanding. They don’t even travel together. Shelly likes the life and the limelight.

    We know exactly why Obama is lying. Obama has told us HE HAD decimated Al Qaeda. He was wrong. And Libya proved it. Obama is trying to run out the clock past November 6th. This is not a surprise to me. This is a man that told us he was unaware of Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s hatefilled screed while he sat in Wright’s pews for 20 years. Obama went into office lying – and hopefully for our nation Obama goes out in 12 weeks still lying and fuming he’s finally been busted.

    What really bothers me, even frightens me, is that we as a nation have possibly half of our population that is not the least bothered by Obama and his clear falsehoods even with the deaths of four citizens, and will in fact happily vote for this thug again.

    How can we as a nation operate any longer when we have millions in our midst that are so amoral, so corrupted themselves?

    Do you see why I say the days of trying to change hearts and minds should be over with and we should begin to separate ourselves?

  • 222. Rutherford  |  October 24, 2012 at 11:55 am

    212 was hilarious … I watch Key and Peele whenever I can fit it in. Despite some colorful language, I showed that clip from my TiVo to my daughter who thought it was silly but funny. She of course didn’t get the underlying joke about how ridiculous some black naming practices are.

    This one, from the same episode reminded me a bit of Monty Python’s Black Knight sketch.

  • 223. thorsaurus  |  October 24, 2012 at 11:56 am

    “You came in here all cocky before the very first debate just chalk sure of yourself and belittling Romney. Then Romney cleaned the Chair’s clock. I’ve noticed you’ve been more absent since.
    We will see…” – Tex

    I was never cocky. I always new this would be close. Me and
    R have always said it would be close. I came on here right after the first debate and admitted that O got his ass kicked. But that has nothing to do with my smaller recent footprint. I started limiting my comments here when you guys insisted the BLS cooks the books. I’m not going down that rabbit hole. So, as Axelrod said, we’ll know who is bluffing in two weeks.

  • 224. Rutherford  |  October 24, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    And now for something completely different. Amazing how bad a collection of soundbites can make you look. ;-)

  • 225. Rutherford  |  October 24, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    And a nice musical salute to Mitt featuring this new dance craze I just learned about over the weekend — gangnam.

  • 226. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Rutherford and I….Rutherford is not mean – even when he tries to be.

    You weren’t cocky?

    Are you kidding me? That Greek soliloquy you rendered? :lol:

    Why all the angst, rightie tighties? Isn’t tonight the night you guys have been waiting nearly four years for? Obama, standing naked and shivering, teleprompter-less, beneath the Socratic titan known as Mitt Romney. I can almost hear the cries of rapture as the job-creating colossus empties his quiver of zingers on the communist Kenyan welfare siren.

    Epic.

    BLS cooked the books? You didn’t mind denying cooking the books when I showed you the labor force participation rate straight from BLS.

  • 227. Rutherford  |  October 24, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    I started limiting my comments here when you guys insisted the BLS cooks the books.

    It’s funny Thor, I’m finding less incentive to engage here myself quite frankly. The rhetoric is so off the wall that you have to ask yourself “am I really investing time profitably in an argument with lunatics”. The patients have taken over the asylum, have barricaded the doors, and I can’t even get in to give them their daily medication.

    Since my cold is on the retreat, I’ll be commenting a bit today and I do have a new blog post in mind. I also have a “report from the bunker” that I’ll be posting shortly.

  • 228. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Rutherford,

    You’ve remained strangely silent this morning now that we have documented proof with emails that our intelligence department did indeed immediately contact our CiC of what was transpiring two hours into the ordeal while at least some of the men still alive?

    Americans died, Obama lied, and the press complied.

    Are you going to excuse these indisputable lies as ‘no big deal’ too?

  • 229. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    It’s funny Thor, I’m finding less incentive to engage here myself quite frankly. The rhetoric is so off the wall that you have to ask yourself “am I really investing time profitably in an argument with lunatics”.

    That will sell with Thor or the mindless dimwits that occasionally show to lick Barack’s scrotum. Doesn’t sell with the rest of us.

    You’ve been busted as carrying water for flagrant dishonesty with proof this time. And it is hard to ignore it when several of us continue to bring up the obvious – your ignoring your own egregious sins.

    I mean this when I say I misread your four years ago, even eighteen months ago. However confused or wrong I thought you were, I at least thought you were personally honest.

    I no longer believe that.

  • 230. James  |  October 24, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    I agree, Tex. This can’t go on forever. A Coast to Coast psycic predicted a near civil war over the next few years, though she also predicted an Obama victory.

    IL do remember thor’s writing this election will be close. I also believe he and others are suffering from congnative dissonance.

    Compared to Obama, Mittens is a Socratic giant.

    So far, the media is trying to ignore this story. My wife didn’t see anything about it on Good Morning America.

  • 231. Noah  |  October 24, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Interesting. I bet Oblama will put his own interests above those of a deserving charity.

  • 232. Rutherford  |  October 24, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    I got this via email from Gorilla at an undisclosed bunker.

    R: Big Obama win – “horses and bayonets”, showed Romney to be the amateur he is on the subject.

    FACT: The US Army and Marine Corps are seven times larger today than in
    1916. The Bayonnet remains a standard issued item, meaning that we have more
    bayonnetts in the US military today than we did in 1916.

    So, you’re “big win” is based on a snide remark pulled out of his ass, which
    is factually inaccurate. This so sums up the Obama Administration and your
    headstrong support.

    As for Syria, Obama told the American people bald faced lies. We are not
    working to unite the factions on the ground. Period. It isn’t happening and
    for him to say that it is, is frankly dishonest. Over the last two weeks,
    I’ve had high level discussions with senior intelligence officials from a
    European country and a Middle Eastern country directly affected by Syria.
    Both has very pessimistic views of the Arab Spring in general, and more
    specifically Egypt, Libya and Syria. When I put on my professional hat (I’m
    able to do that R, whereas I’ve never seen you objectively analyze
    anything), I can tell you that terrorists enjoy unprecedented freedom of
    movement through North Africa. Al-Qaida in Iraq (AQI) attacks have increased
    10 fold under Obama and Romney’s comment was correct- we should have gotten
    a SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement) completed because we could have left SOF
    elements in place to find, fix and finish remaining AQI cadres.
    That didn’t happen and now we have an explosion of AQI in both numbers and
    in operations.

    Further, I struggle in understanding R how you can think Obama won the
    debate when the key discussions went anything but his way intellectually.
    Obama attempted to one-up Romney on the national
    debt-is-a-national-security-threat mantra (and I really wish Romney had
    crushed him on this) by claiming that Romney didn’t have a plan for the
    deficits. Excuse me, but Obama is the only Administration in US History to
    have never passed a budget- an economic plan- and while he promised to cut
    the deficit in half, he actually doubled the deficit.

    Obama is the epiphany of everything he argued against in 2008. He was petty,
    condescending and arrogant, which I can tell you didn’t play well with the
    moderates and the independents. Here is the real difference between Obama
    and Romney in the debate: Obama was playing towards his base because he is
    STILL trying to motivate and fire them up to turn out. Romney has moved on
    to solidifying moderates and undecideds. I said this months ago- and I’m
    sticking to it- Romney is going to win the election in a landslide.

    And while we’re at it, how did you like the data dump the Administration did
    on Benghazi a couple hours before the debate?
    Emails confirm that the WH knew it was a terrorist attack 2 hours after it
    had started.

    Why was no force sent to evacuate the Consulate? Honest question.

    FACT: Benghazi was the result of AQ. Obama needs the mantra to be AQ is
    dead, because I killed them, except that, they’re not.

    R, I know you went off against the Bush Administration for “politicizing
    intelligence”, but this is beyond the pale.

    Justy another Obama coverup…

    Gentlemen….


    Verily,

    THE 800lb Gorilla

  • 233. Noah  |  October 24, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    Your average Liberal voter….

    http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/08/01/man-beats-up-girlfriend-after-mistaking-mitt-romney-for-her-lover/

  • 234. Rutherford  |  October 24, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    My reply to Gorilla was as follows:

    First, I verified your statement about bayonets with the Los Angeles Times
    and the simple answer is if you’re telling me that the bayonet is a critical
    piece of current fighting technology then I guess you also have some great
    real estate to sell me in the Florida swamps. In fact, it is disturbing that
    the bayonet is standard issue … a f*cking waste of money and a perfect
    example of Pentagon out of control spending. But all that is beside the
    point because Obama’s statement was broader. It was not meant for anal fact
    checkers to count bayonets. It was meant to tell Romney that if you’re
    measuring might by the number of ships we have, then you’re doing the wrong
    measurement. Technology has changed since 1916 and we measure the power of
    our Navy by how it uses current technology, not by counting ships. Romney
    sounded like an amateur and Obama busted him. Live with it.

    Regarding Syria, do you really think Obama is going to share with the
    public, in a debate no less, the level of information you have on the
    ground? No President details security briefings in a Presidential debate.
    Are you telling me that the United States is doing NOTHING about Syria right
    now? I don’t believe it. The fact that you wear “the professional hat” that
    you do with the blind biases you have, is quite frankly disturbing. It’s
    just those type of professionals (the Dan Senor types) who will be advising
    President Romney, and getting us into war after war after war.

    On the deficit, Romney’s numbers don’t add up and you know it. So fine,
    Obama didn’t deliver a budget. Romney is promising pixie dust. It’s six of
    one, half a dozen of the other. Flip a coin to decide who to vote for.

    As for the “e-mail dump”, folks with secrets don’t do e-mail dumps at all.
    The Libyan tragedy is under investigation. Both the New York Times and David
    Ignatius of the Washington Post say the facts are still evolving. The
    terrorists were a mix of folks with ties all over the place, as well as just
    stupid on-lookers who looted the joint after the fact. You smell Obama-blood
    in the water and you want to pounce. Again, makes me worry about that
    “professional hat” you wear.

    Finally, with only a few exceptions, the last debate involved someone DOING
    THE JOB debating someone who prepared (fairly well) for his oral exam. In
    fact, Romney spoke with such authority, he had me fooled about the geography
    of Syria, Iran and the Persian Gulf.

    Please don’t tell anyone outside of the RL forum that Romney will win in a
    landslide. That way you’ll only look like an ass to your trusted friends and
    we won’t tell the world how silly you were. (To be clear, I’m not predicting
    an Obama win … I am predicting, as I always have, a nail biter.)

  • 235. poolman  |  October 24, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    The rhetoric is so off the wall that you have to ask yourself “am I really investing time profitably in an argument with lunatics”. The patients have taken over the asylum, have barricaded the doors, and I can’t even get in to give them their daily medication.

    Agreed. I’ve had to assess my time here also. Now that I have plenty of other profitable avenues, it makes it difficult to do more than an occasional drive by. I’m sticking to my comment at 165. I’ll even double down on it. :wink:

  • 236. Rutherford  |  October 24, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    I neglected to tell G (I’ll tell him in a subsequent email) regarding the SOFA that Obama could not get the deal he wanted with Iraq. If he could, he would have left behind a few more troops. We had overstayed our welcome (big time) and Iraq wanted us out.

  • 237. Noah  |  October 24, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    and the simple answer is if you’re telling me that the bayonet is a critical piece of current fighting technology then I guess you also have some great real estate to sell me in the Florida swamps. In fact, it is disturbing that the bayonet is standard issue … a f*cking waste of money and a perfect example of Pentagon out of control spending.

    I dont even know what to say to this…..for shits and giggles I am going to post this on some of the military pages I frequent and let them chime in much better than I can.

  • 238. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    I’m sticking to my comment at 165. I’ll even double down on it.

    If those multitude of profitable avenues will get you off the adult lifetime of feeding and housing the entire family by public teat and out of here, you tell me what I can do to assist in expediting it and I’ll even help you out with the assistance. I’ll even double down on that, and I’ll bet there are several others here who would be willing to help too.

  • 239. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Finally, with only a few exceptions, the last debate involved someone DOING THE JOB debating someone who prepared (fairly well) for his oral exam. In fact, Romney spoke with such authority, he had me fooled about the geography of Syria, Iran and the Persian Gulf.

    It’s once again my pleasure to expose a dunce masquerading as fact checker, but to also expose his sources as pure ignorance too.

    I just knew his was coming up sometime as desperation of a failed President sets in. Hopefully, the insufferable Gloria Allred will be able to help out, as Larry Flynt couldn’t deliver….

    How Syria Is Iran’s Route To The Sea. “If you’re a journalist or a commentator, there’s no reason be ashamed just because a Washington Post writer reported a story much better than you did. But when you find yourself being outclassed by Yahoo! Answers, perhaps it’s time to rethink your assumptions that you’re much smarter and better informed than Mitt Romney.”

    How Syria is Iran’s route to the sea

    Your welcome, oh wise Rutherford. Now you can brush up on both your geography, your military expertise, and your diplomatic skills.

  • 240. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Perhaps The Progressive Rutherford Lawson’s Recent Dour Mood can be explained that it appears the argument has been won thanks in no small part to the fecklessness of Barack Obama.

    I guess indirectly, I do owe the man a debt of gratitude in introducing a new generation to the gross incompetence of dependable and predictable liberal failure.

    ‘Ask not for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee, Despicable Progressives.’

  • 241. Rutherford  |  October 24, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Going all the way back to 133 … If Chris Christie is such-a-much (and I DO like him) then why the hell didn’t he run for President instead of standing aside and letting Mr. Roboto get the nomination?

  • 242. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    “R”, you raise an interesting question I’ve been wanting to ask you and Thor for some time now and I keep forgetting.

    You tell us Obama has been an unexceptional but qualified President. You’ve said this more than once. Thor is more the cheerleader of Obama and has stood by his side more often,undoubtedly holding a higher opinion.

    So here’s my simple question to either of you:

    If Obama as been satisfactory as President but not outstanding, even as satisfactory, why has he campaigned for no one to the best of my recollection? Now he may have. But if so, it hasn’t made much in the way of national news.

    Even in 2004, George Bush was campaigning for several Senatorial candidates.

    It would appear Obama is pretty radioactive, does it not? Isn’t this far short of what guys like you two promised four years ago in the way of greatness?

  • 243. Newt or no newt  |  October 24, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    This will make your day. http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-romney-electoral-college-map-reuters-poll-ipsos-2012-10

  • 244. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Much like the NASCAR crowd you claimed Newtsico, your map is bogus. As a matter of fact, the most accurate pollster from both 2008 and 2010 has already pulled out of NC, FL, and VA and called them for Romney unless something else spikes.

    Colorado is starting to lean that way.

    Ohio still too close to call. PA, MI, WI, IA, NH, NV all too close to call now as well.

    Like Rutherford, I came to the conclusion two months ago this would be a close race. I was hoping it wouldn’t be and there would be a clear repudiation of Obama.

    Unfortunately, when you can guy bloc votes of Hispanics, Blacks and other minorities, along with academia and union thugs, that makes the country pretty much 50/50.

    But my bet with you still holds, if interested. :wink:

  • 245. El Tigre  |  October 24, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Looks to me like R and Thor fell more silent when their straw-man went up in flames with a single match at the first debate.

    I think you’re both tired of trying to defend the indefensible.

    Can we get back to Romney’s tax returns and Obama’s boom-sticks now please?

  • 246. Noah  |  October 24, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Isn’t this the same bank that Obama took a $15 million loan out for his campaign ?

    http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/10/24/u-s-sues-bank-of-america-for-1-billion-for-mortgage-fraud/?ncid=webmail6

  • 248. James  |  October 24, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    I agree, Rutherford. Obama tried to negotiate a longer occupation of Iraq, and maybe nothing could be done. We don’t know what a few more bribes or threats would have accomplished. the victor dictates terms. Germany didn’t want us either, but we are still there.

    I am surprised you didn’t understand how Syria could be Iran’s route to the sea.

    Chris Christi said he was not ready to run for president. Maybe he was telling the truth.

    A bayonet is not a waste of money. It is an effective weapon in hand to hand combat.

    The fact is that our government hesitated and let four men die while they watched the carnage on a moniter in real tijme. A good leader makes snap decisions based on limited information. The administration failed. Some one shared those e mails to protect him/herself in future hearings or he/she didn’t like what was happening,

    We are already sending arms to Syria according to the Russians who are helping the central government. At this time, they are more credible than our own government as the Libyans and Egyptians were during the terrorist attacks.

    Poolman, the conservatives are not expressing a version of Stockholm Syndrome.. They are more like passengers on the ferry Estonia as it went down in the Baltic Sea.

    This site has become a shark pond as the hungry beasts circle bleeding liberals with the taste of blood feeding their hunger. Or maybe it is near the Little Big Horn as warriors circle a dwindling band of desperate soldiers.

  • 249. El Tigre  |  October 24, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Donald Trump is a complete tool.

  • 250. Rutherford  |  October 24, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    your man didn’t bother to address this when Romney mentioned it last night.

    I think Obama did address it when he told Romney that they could not have gotten bin Laden with cooperation from Pakistan. They could not tell Pakistan they were going in because Pakistan is not a reliable ally. THAT is why the informant is currently in jail … because Pakistan is a bunch of punks. Punks with nukes …. damn scary.

  • 251. PFesser  |  October 24, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    James – speaking of Little Big Horn…Know what were Custer’s last words?

    “Look at all those f*ucking Indians!!!!”

  • 252. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Tigre, maybe not as much a tool as we think. Bet you money The Combover has got Obama’s transcripts and the Romney camp begged him to let it go until after the election.

    Trust me. Even the Donald isn’t going to make a total ass of himself. He’s got something in his greedy hands. I’m glad as hell he didn’t release whatever he’s got. Let’s not snatch defeat from the jaws of victory now.

    Bet you money those transcripts are in Donald’s hot little hand and he was ready to bust The Chair with them. And I’ll bet like that Romney choosing not to run with those accusations of coke dealing, Romney said after the election… :smile:

    That’s why he made the challenge of the monetary donation – dead giveaway.

    We’re going to find out Obama wasn’t the brilliant student we’ve been told. Hell, one could have figured that out from his pathetic debates Obama ain’t too smart.

    Today The Chair dared the press to find his flipflops and then they did. :twisted:

    Let that sorry bastard twist in the wind.

  • 253. Noah  |  October 24, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    Here is a nice timeline on Libya

  • 254. El Tigre  |  October 24, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    I don’t have the same confidence in Trump you do. I think he has something but it might have proved a Killian memo-like forgery or something.

  • 255. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Obama reverts back to thug form. Tigre, I’m just glad Romney chose not to go there.

    http://nation.foxnews.com/gloria-allred/2012/10/24/exclusive-gloria-allred-met-obama-two-weeks-october-surprise

  • 256. James  |  October 24, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    Ha Ha !! Pfessor. Inkapaduka from Iowa was one of the strategists.I’m so proud!

    He was the Osama bin ladin of his day. Obama may have traveled back in time to get him, but he died of old age in Canada.

  • 257. Raji  |  October 24, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    http://www.freep.com/article/20121024/NEWS15/121024019/Mitt-Romney-Richard-Mourdock-rape-abortion-TV-ad

    “Life is that gift from God. I think that even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something God intended to happen,” Mourdock said, his voice thick with emotion.”

    When you have imbeciles like this running for Congress doesn’t it make you sit back and scratch your head over any hope of fixing the nation’s woes. It’s not the issues of God and abortion that I take exception to but the inane ability of some of these politicians to open mouth insert foot.

  • 258. Noah  |  October 24, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    No matter what happens 11/6, Obama will always be a US Prez. Sarah “shuck & jive” Palin will always be a failed Governor and VP candidate. R on Twitter.

    Who the fuck is Sarah Palin in politics today?

  • 259. Newt or no newt  |  October 24, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    More news that actually matters. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251173150

  • 260. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Newton,

    Was this you recently?

    http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/CI8UPHMzZm8?rel=0

  • 261. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    I really like that Democratic Underground site you link too, Newtisco.

    I guess you missed this, but this is some solid stuff you read if you missed it, courtesy Democratic Underground.

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1600092

  • 262. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Raji, I could be wrong and I’ll leave it to Rutherford to reply, but I think he would tell you that if you’re going to call yourself “pro-life” and mean it, you are forced to come to that very conclusion…

    If (and I said if) you think the general perception of abortion in this country predominately is for abortion on demand which is the current law, you would be wrong.

    To be an abortion on demand proponent? That may fly in California, New York or Massachusetts, but not through most of this country.

    Rape and incest arguments are the ultimate red herring in the debate, because nobody has a good answer for that – hence Romney’s position.

    The man was honest, unless I misunderstood as I haven’t seen the quote. Obama would let your neonate lay on the a counter unattended until it was dead, if he had his preference.

  • 263. dead rabbit  |  October 24, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Barry fucking Zito just got a base hit knock off Verlander for a ribby. I hate the world.

  • 264. Newt or no newt  |  October 24, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    Oh Tex, poor put-upon miserable creature, shouldn’t you be plotting your emigration?

  • 265. dead rabbit  |  October 24, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Lol substitute teacher video.

  • 266. El Tigre  |  October 24, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    Tex, Romney already said he’d consent to the release of his trial testimony going to the value of his colleagues stock in the company. Whoopty dooo. :lol: DESPERATE. DUMB.

  • 267. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    Damn Rabbit – I just came in, turned on the channel and choked. I’m actually pulling for Detroit and I don’t ever root for the American League.

    What happened to Verlander?

  • 268. Tex Taylor  |  October 24, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Oh Tex, poor put-upon miserable creature, shouldn’t you be plotting your emigration?

    :lol: That was actually kind of funny, Newtsico – for you. I’m still trying like hell for Mitt to recapture the NASCAR vote.

  • 269. Newt or no newt  |  October 24, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    Well Tex, some of the owners are his friends, right? Quite a small demographic though.

  • 270. PFesser  |  October 25, 2012 at 7:29 am

    Tex:
    “Raji, I could be wrong and I’ll leave it to Rutherford to reply, but I think he would tell you that if you’re going to call yourself “pro-life” and mean it, you are forced to come to that very conclusion…”

    I agree 100 percent.

    “If (and I said if) you think the general perception of abortion in this country predominately is for abortion on demand which is the current law, you would be wrong.”

    Nobody – NOBODY is for abortion “on demand.” There are – and have always been since Roe v Wade – restrictions on abortion. Abortion on demand with no restrictions is not – and has never been – available.

    “To be an abortion on demand proponent? That may fly in California, New York or Massachusetts, but not through most of this country.”

    Do you define “most” as “most by geographical area” or “most by population?” Since abortion does not affect the terrain – only humans, I would submit that how the humans feel is more important than how much real estate is involved.

    “Rape and incest arguments are the ultimate red herring in the debate, because nobody has a good answer for that.”

    ‘No good answer’ does not mean ‘red herring.’ No good answer means there is a real problem with one’s argument. The way you test the validity of any argument is to try to refute it. The problems of rape and incest are REAL problems, and refute the no-abortion-in-any-circumstance argument very nicely, don’t they?

    The single-issue voter and uncompromising party platforms are sinking the Republicans. Since the ‘eighties, they have taken the position that people vote for them on the basis of their conservative Christian values. They are going to get the conservative Christian vote anyway, but many others vote for them because of (perceived) conservative fiscal policy.

    As long as they keep stretching further and further to the Right, they are going to keep losing. I hope this election is not one of those times, because – while they have the conservative Christians in the bag (which they will have anyway) – they have surely alienated a lot of other people in the process.

  • 271. Noah  |  October 25, 2012 at 10:37 am

    PF
    As always I disagree with your opinion on Religion. We are not some evil group looking to take over the world. Maybe the Michigan branch of the Christian army is the only peaceful sect and the rest are like the radical Islam over sea’s and I am just not seeing it, but I doubt it.

    Our beliefs are no less valid than yours, we just draw from a different place, and that SHOULD be ok. I feel no pressing need to convert you, nor does anyone I know. Most of us feel the story is compelling enough, and if that does not draw you in, then you just don’t have a place with us, and again that is ok.

    Considering the vast corruption, I could think of worse things than to have a Christian influence in our government. Romney has shown though his actions in life that he is a good moral man. Maybe some of that will rub off, and would that be so bad?

    Dimocrats have made a massive error this time around. I have focused my efforts to church groups over the last month. My Sunday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday’s have been dedicated to church hopping, attending services and bible study programs. In the men’s study groups I bring along my Kindle and play a clip from the DNC of them booing God, and I ask, how can we support a party that openly does this for all the world to see. A line has been drawn, Satan has chosen a side. It is a very compelling argument that has had a lot of traction even in the mostly black churches I have attended. Scripture trumps race.

    If we lose, and I just don’t see that happening, then this will be a referendum on all things Left. They will have to perform, or face the very real possibility of forever losing any credibility that their platform has any merit.

    This is probably the most obvious choice this time around. Our most pressing problem is the economy. Romney is highly specialized in this area. He has run some huge organizations and is well groomed to fill the role of President. He has a proven track record and he is far better qualified than Obama was when he entered office.

  • 272. PFesser  |  October 25, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    “As always I disagree with your opinion on Religion. We are not some evil group looking to take over the world.”

    Never said you were. As with any belief not founded on critical thinking, however, the potential for horrific abuse is always there.

    “Our beliefs are no less valid than yours”

    I believe they are. There is a great deal of difference between beliefs founded on critical, careful thought and beliefs founded on faith in a supernatural world for which there is no evidence. (Although the faeries at the bottom of my garden are very real, I assure you. My granddaughter and I have seen them.)

    “Considering the vast corruption, I could think of worse things than to have a Christian influence in our government.”

    It’s not related to religion. Related to human nature. Has never changed, never will. That is why a country needs a good strong set of checks and balances – which by the way we had for most of our history, just not now.

    “Romney has shown though his actions in life that he is a good moral man. Maybe some of that will rub off, and would that be so bad?”

    I agree completely. Again, nothing to do with religion, though.

    “A line has been drawn, Satan has chosen a side. It is a very compelling argument that has had a lot of traction even in the mostly black churches I have attended.”

    You are getting the right result for the wrong reason. They should be voting against Obama because it is the right thing, and because he is destroying their nation – for them, and their children, and THEIR children, not because someone has managed to intertwine it with their religion.

    “If we lose, and I just don’t see that happening, then this will be a referendum on all things Left.”

    No. No. NO. It is NO SUCH THING. THAT IS PRECISELY THE ATTITUDE THAT KEEPS US LOSING. The world, Noah, is not black and white, with an evil, bad, mean, godless spendthrift Left and a godly, nice, pleasant, frugal Right. There are many issues at stake and many really good people on both sides. We need to show the Left the problems that a socialist agenda engenders – not preach to them – and certainly not vilify everybody who believes that way; it only hardens their resolve.

    And there are some things, like IMHO abortion, where we need to show a little humility and let people make their own decisions. You and your religion are not the Daddy of the World; you need to show a little respect to people who differ with you. No offense, Noah, but IMHO if we lose this election, it will be because of people just like you having alienated the more moderate voters. Take me, for example; I am so offended by the extreme right-wing rhetoric that I will most likely write in Ron Paul. Think I’m alone? Think again.

    “This is probably the most obvious choice this time around.”

    I agree.

    “Our most pressing problem is the economy. Romney is highly specialized in this area. He has run some huge organizations and is well groomed to fill the role of President. He has a proven track record and he is far better qualified than Obama was when he entered office.”

    Now you’re talking!

  • 273. Tex Taylor  |  October 25, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Pfesser,

    Nobody – NOBODY is for abortion “on demand.” There are – and have always been since Roe v Wade – restrictions on abortion. Abortion on demand with no restrictions is not – and has never been – available.

    Then tell me the restrictions before the Partial Birth Abortion ban was implemented? George Tiller would abort right up to the last minute.

    And it is abortion on demand and has always been abortion on demand.

    By red herring, I meant the safe, legal and “rare” bullshit you guys give us as justification, followed by “rape” and “incest” excuses. If there’s nothing wrong with it, who cares if it is rare?

    After that disagreement, I grew uninterested with the rest of your answer…

    Look Pfesser. Push comes to shove, you and I are two different men with very different viewpoints on the most important aspects of life. I accept that…you should too.

  • 274. Tex Taylor  |  October 25, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    And there are some things, like IMHO abortion, where we need to show a little humility and let people make their own decisions. You and your religion are not the Daddy of the World; you need to show a little respect to people who differ with you. No offense, Noah, but IMHO if we lose this election, it will be because of people just like you having alienated the more moderate voters. Take me, for example; I am so offended by the extreme right-wing rhetoric that I will most likely write in Ron Paul. Think I’m alone? Think again.

    Look bigot, write in Ron Paul and waste your vote. That puts you in the same intellectual capacity as Poolman.

    Quit threatening our principles with your vote. You’re not that important and were not compromising our principles to make you comfortable.

  • 275. Noah  |  October 25, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    “And there are some things, like IMHO abortion, where we need to show a little humility and let people make their own decisions.”

    This is somewhere where we agree. My personal stance is pro life, my choice for the nation is pro choice, to the 3rd month.

    “No. No. NO. It is NO SUCH THING. THAT IS PRECISELY THE ATTITUDE THAT KEEPS US LOSING. The world, Noah, is not black and white, with an evil, bad, mean, godless spendthrift Left and a godly, nice, pleasant, frugal Right. There are many issues at stake and many really good people on both sides. We need to show the Left the problems that a socialist agenda engenders”

    I don’t know if you read my post where I listed out my political stance based on the questionnaire? 64% of my beliefs were Libertarian. 28% were even Democrat. I have some common ground with Liberals, they have, by enlarge, none with me.

    How long have we been doing this PF? How many Leftists on this blog or at fat grannies do you consider teachable? I wish, with every fiber of my being, that we could all just talk, and share ideas, and come to reasonable compromises. They are not interested.

    Look at the intolerance you James and I have encountered over the years. While I am the hottest head, and I think we would all agree James is as about cool as they come, and at the end of the day it made no difference.

    I do get what you are saying, broad brush strokes like mine are rarely wholly true. But I think experience has taught me, that in the case of the Left, it is mostly true. These people do what they “feel” is right, logic and math be dammed, and this doesn’t work for me. As I feel they will not listen, and they will not discuss, I feel it cannot be fixed. Evil done with the best of intentions, is still evil. No matter how much good they intend to do, it hurts you and I just the same. So what do we do?

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