Kansas, Mexico and Points Beyond

September 19, 2012 at 5:50 pm 241 comments

I could write about how Mitt Romney just revealed that the elderly, the military, the poor and disabled consider themselves victims and don’t want to take care of their own lives but I had a few other random thoughts I wanted to cover. This will be brief.

Kansas

An idiot in Kansas files a petition to have Barack Obama kept off the ballot in November on the grounds he was not born in the United States. Birther nutjob and Kansas Secretary of State, Kris Kobach considers the petition along with the rest of the all-Republican Objections Committee. Of course the fact that Kobach is a self-described “adviser” to Mitt Romney didn’t seem to make him think he should recuse himself from this judgment on Obama. Apparently enough people contacted the original petitioner and called him a moron that he withdrew his petition. Kobach, not wanting to appear the Birther-wuss said more investigation was warranted. Then Monday he finally agreed to have Obama placed on the November ballot. Of course, one of the folks demanding that this birth issue be thoroughly examined was “California lawyer and dentist” Orly Taitz, a lunatic I thought had finally faded from the scene.

There was a time in this country when no decent person would have made such outrageous claims about a sitting President for fear of being roundly rebuked. But then as Bill Clinton reminded Ted Kennedy back in 2008, there was a time in this country when Barack Obama would be doing nothing more than getting Kris Kobach a cup of coffee.

Mexico

I guess I’m ashamed to admit it but the one area in which I identified a bit with conservatives was their attitude toward “illegal aliens”. As someone who has been income-challenged for the past few years, I bought hook, line and sinker the notion that Mexicans were stealing jobs from deserving Americans. Even when I recognized that for the most part they were doing jobs most Americans didn’t want to do, I still resented it.

Watching the Democratic National Convention a few weeks ago gave me a bit of an epiphany. I already agreed that Obama was right to extent flexibility to children of undocumented workers who came here by no choice of their own. But the DNC gave me a new perspective on the parents. For the most part, these “illegals” represent the promise of the American Dream. They are no different from the scores of immigrants who have come to our shores over the past 200+ years. They come here to escape a life of certain poverty. They come here because they believe they will find opportunities not available south of the border. What makes them different is that instead of an ocean, there is only an invisible line in the soil separating them from their dream.

I don’t believe we should have open borders. I know it is not feasible to simply let every Tom, Dick and Harry enter the United States at will.  But the DNC made it clear to me that we need a compassionate immigration policy. Undocumented workers don’t come here to hurt us. They come here to help themselves.

Points Beyond

The Muslim Meltdown

Once again an insult to the Muslim prophet Mohammad is propagated and once again a small contingent of angry Muslims go wild. This time the rage is accelerated by newly elected unstable central governments (Cairo) and opportunistic terrorists (Benghazi, Libya). It was humorously suggested on Comedy Central this week that perhaps Islam’s big problem is immaturity. While at first blush this might seem absurd, Islam is a good 600 years younger than Christianity. Christianity’s record for civil behavior was not peachy keen even within the past 300 years (e.g. Salem Witch Trials). Perhaps a Muslim reformation sometime in the future is not outside the realm of possibility? I believe the only way to get rid of radical Islam is from within.

Israel v Iran

That Israel possesses nuclear weapons is the worst kept secret in foreign affairs. So, as a foreign policy neophyte, I ask my more knowledgeable readers why can’t the Iran/Israel standoff be resolved this way:

Iran simply says to Israel, “We will stop developing nuclear capability when you demonstrate that you have disarmed your nuclear weapons.” Seems simple enough to me. What am I missing?

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  • 1. poolman  |  September 19, 2012 at 7:17 pm

  • 2. Tex Taylor  |  September 19, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    The fact that Rutherford is forced to resort to the “immaturity” of Christianity from the sins of executing 19 people by a bunch of loons who used who knows what for justification; and that preceded the formation of our country by mostly PROTESTANT Christians by 84 years in the country Rutherford happily resides?

    Currently, about that many blacks are shooting each other dead every weekend in Rutherford’s adopted home town.

    Doesn’t that kind of put to bed the continual screeching here of the threat of a Christian theocracy and the moral equivalency of all religions being the same?

    But want I really need answered to address Rutherford’s question properly is, “What the heck does that say about the maturity of Rutherford’s religion of atheism right now? More that many are killed on the hour in North Korea?” Lord only knows what is going on in Communist China and Russia at this minute.

    Perhaps Rutherford should forward that question to Dear Leader Obama and spare the rest of us the hassle of pointing to the apparent disconnect.

  • 3. Tex Taylor  |  September 19, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    Iran simply says to Israel, “We will stop developing nuclear capability when you demonstrate that you have disarmed your nuclear weapons.” Seems simple enough to me. What am I missing?

    :?:

    Death to the Pigs & Monkeys! Death to America & the Great Satan!

  • 4. Tex Taylor  |  September 19, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Gave me a bit of an epiphany. But the DNC gave me a new perspective on the parents…

    Another million bought & paid for Obama votes…courtesy of the 53%.

  • 5. Rutherford  |  September 19, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    The fact that Rutherford is forced to resort to the “immaturity” of Christianity

    Reading Is Fundamental Tex. Read the piece again before you open your big fat mouth. I said the “immaturity of Islam relative to Christianity. You’re so dead set on opposing me you don’t even read what I write.

    You’re becoming a joke.

  • 6. James  |  September 19, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    Many people who sneak into our country are interested in bettering themselves as Rutherford noted, and would be assets to our country. In fact, conservative writer, Mark Steyn wrote in America Alone that immigrants will be our salvation against the higher Muslim birth rate,

    However, we have rules and procedures for immigration, and many like my Korean relatives jumped through all of the required hoops to obtain citizenship. Immigrants who sneak in are criminals who broke the law. They deserve deportation or sanctions.We need to give them a legal status which is initially less than citizenship.The government has had a guest worker program in the past, and some of our illegals could be placed in that catigory with procedures allowing them to work for citizenship.

    They are thieves who don’t pay the taxes they could. They flood emergency rooms and overwhelm schools. Some cause auto accidents while holding no insurance, and many send money home. As importantly, illegals help hold down wages because employers exploit them for their illegal status..

  • 7. Noah  |  September 19, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    “There was a time in this country when no decent person would have made such outrageous claims about a sitting President for fear of being roundly rebuked.”

    …Have you lost your fucking mind? GW Bush. That is all that needs to be said. Just when you thought this blog couldn’t become more of a joke……

  • 8. Raji  |  September 19, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Interesting random thoughts, Rutherford. I do agree that at one time a sitting president was shown respect. With the current atmosphere of internet bashing no one is exempt. If Americans don’t want to work the menial jobs then immigration is the answer. Our history is one of immigration and the only reason the Mexicans are illegal is they didn’t have to cross the ocean to get here. Radical Islam will not go away and the Israel/Iran conflict will continue to escalate. Welcome to the real world!

    As to the Romney’s 47% the following is a good article.

    Misconceptions and Realities About Who Pays Taxes

    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505

    “The fact that most people who don’t owe federal income tax in a given year do pay substantial amounts of other taxes — and also are net income taxpayers over time — belies the claim that households that do not owe income tax in a given year will form bad policy judgments because they “don’t have any skin in the game.”

  • 9. Raji  |  September 19, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    “Just when you thought this blog couldn’t become more of a joke”

    Noah, I just can’t help but wonder if this blog is such a joke why do you keep posting?

  • 10. Noah  |  September 19, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    [But the DNC made it clear to me that we need a compassionate immigration policy.]

    This limited and short sightedness just proves to me all the more that Left minded people have no business doing anything but fast-food.

    We are a nation of laws. You either accept that or you leave. IF you don’t like our laws on immigration, then you fight to get the laws change. You don’t violate the constitution, abuse the power of the executive branch, circumvent congress, and decide as a dictator would, what will be the law of the land. This is not how we do business in this country, and it should not be allowed to become how we do things. If this were a Republican doing this you would be having a stroke.

    We need to encourage people, through rule of law and consequences of violating that law, to come into this country legally. By making exceptions as Obama has done, as Rutherford has suggest, for no other reason than an emotional one, is to encourage people to fragrantly ignore the laws. Once we head down this road we will cease to be a nation of laws. Just another in a long list of efforts to dismantle and destroy our country from with by the Left.

  • 11. Noah  |  September 19, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Raji, because I can. Why do you question the motivations of others?

  • 12. Rutherford  |  September 19, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    I’m waiting for Michael Steele to talk 15 mins from my home. More on the blog tomorrow.

  • 13. dead rabbit  |  September 19, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Last week he spewed garbage so historically ignorant (modern Christians haven’t been oppressed for their faith) that I cringed. This week its a reminder of the Salem Witch Trials followed by their existence serving as evidence that the Muslims need a Reformation because….well, we don’t know. Maybe he just felt like talking about the witch trials. He loves to shoot from the hip when it comes to religious history.

    Dude is not that educated.

    Of course….there are a few topics he refuses to shoot from the hip on. Rutherford is a shrewd economist when it comes to the pitfalls of trickle down economics…unless…….unless its printed money that is heaped on the laps of bankers with the hope that it trickles….now….now….its above R’s pay grade.

    Its kind of like those blacks murdered every night that Tex brought up. Rutherford would rather talk about the Salem Witch Trials. The ramifications of a real conversation about the Fed’s scheme, or dead niggas for that matter, would lead to conclusions that would be earth shattering for R.

    So the stink of Rutherford’s Dutch Oven prevails, the blanket firmly over his head.

  • 14. Noah  |  September 19, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    [While at first blush this might seem absurd, Islam is a good 600 years younger than Christianity. Christianity’s record for civil behavior was not peachy keen even within the past 300 years]

    I am not willing to except these people are idiots that need to be coddled for the next 300 years while we and our allies are attacked for this so called immaturity. We need to speak to them in a language they can understand. You kill one of ours we make an example out of you and kill you. You keep killing ours, we bomb you back to the stone-age and remove your capability to wage violence.

  • 15. Noah  |  September 19, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    except=accept

  • 16. muffy  |  September 19, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    “Christianity’s record for civil behavior was not peachy keen even within the past 300 years (e.g. Salem Witch Trials).”

    That’s like saying Muslims killed 3000 people on 9/11.

    Anyway the Salem witch trials had far less to do with religion OR Christianity than it did with marginality, control, envy, rebellion, lust, and mischief.

    It wasn’t based on the belief that certain townspeople were actually witches and the people put to death could have averted that fate by confessing. I’m not saying it wasn’t horrific – it was. But human psychology drove the murders not religion. Religion was used as cover.

  • 17. Tex Taylor  |  September 19, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Reading Is Fundamental Tex. Read the piece again before you open your big fat mouth. I said the “immaturity of Islam relative to Christianity. You’re so dead set on opposing me you don’t even read what I write.

    I didn’t misread anything.

    I was simply pointing out with mockery which this pile of shit post deserved, that the entire content of the post, minus the Kansas birther stuff, was specious. It ranged from irrelevant, to inaccurate, to comical, to dangerous and wholly naive.

    The fact you discount a nuclear Iran wasn’t just naive. It was ludicrous. You must have some death wish, Great Satan. :roll:

    You used the Salem Witch trial (19 people hung) as representative of “immature” Christianity. Your words, not mine.

    I thought you were some history buff? Do you have any idea what Western Civilization looked like 330 years ago? Especially in comparison to the rest of the entire world? Those naughty, immature Christians.

    Do you have any idea what preceded Christianity in it’s real “infant” state. Ever heard of the Renaissance? The Magna Carta? You want me to list the architecture, the science, or the arts that we still marvel that derived from immature “Christianity” in the 17th century?

    How about the 15th century? You want that as comparison, never mind if it wasn’t for Western Civilization, the Islamic world would still be a sandbox?

    Lay the ground rules friend, and I’ll demonstrate for the blog world just how clueless you are.

  • 18. Noah  |  September 19, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Iran simply says to Israel, “We will stop developing nuclear capability when you demonstrate that you have disarmed your nuclear weapons.” Seems simple enough to me. What am I missing?

    ….wow…just wow. Common sense?

    Is it Israel that is refusing to recognize other nations as being legitimate?

    Is it Israel that is firing rockets into other countries daily, killing their civilian men, women, and children?

    Is it Israel’s intentions to wipe other nations off the face of the Earth?

    …..or are all of these things being done to Israel.

    It has been said many times by many people. If Israel were to disarm, they would be made extinct, FACT! If Israels enemies were to disarm, their would be peace in the middle east, FACT!

  • 19. muffy  |  September 19, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Puritans were Calvinists anyway, weren’t they?

  • 20. Tex Taylor  |  September 19, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Raji, with all due respect, “ignoring the substantial amounts of other federal taxes — especially the payroll tax” isn’t the argument. That’s the deflection of the Dimocratic Party.

    Payroll taxes are an earned benefit. Nobody is in dispute over that. The only line you needed to read was near the top. Even in boom times, 40% of Americans are not paying federal taxes. Period.

    2 in 5 taxpayers – nada. And you believe that fair and healthy in a Republic? You can’t see how we are dangerously close to buying a vote?

  • 21. muffy  |  September 19, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    “I don’t believe we should have open borders. I know it is not feasible to simply let every Tom, Dick and Harry enter the United States at will. But the DNC made it clear to me that we need a compassionate immigration policy. Undocumented workers don’t come here to hurt us. They come here to help themselves.”

    That’s pretty backward. I mean that you would think anything other than this before. Why would anyone need a political convention to enlighten them to any of this?

    I never thought job stealing was the problem. The fact that to get here someone broke the law is one actual concern. You could say they had to, but there’s always a choice in whether to follow or break the law. The only solution I can see entertaining is changing the quotas for immigrants from countries that share our borders.

    But the overriding issue with a great influx of legal immigrants is an out of control entitlements society.

  • 22. muffy  |  September 19, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    :lol: rabbit. You make me laugh.

    Sometimes I feel like Rutherford just gave us a jingly set of keys to play with while he tries to concentrate on his crossword puzzle or something. No offense R :)

    “I do agree that at one time a sitting president was shown respect.”

    Well put Raji.

  • 23. Alfie  |  September 19, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    I’m f@#$ing numb from this post. I’m not kidding.

    I won’t bother with the POTUS part because of the mythical aspects of it. The oversimplification.Numbing. Although there is historical precedence that would back you like say the respect and looking the other way of the FDR years but on the opposing side you have the Arthur and Cleveland scandals. The latter especially finding its ways to the headlines of the day.

    I would have to type for days to highlight how absolutely backwards you are on the illegal immigration issue. Granted you maybe are restricted for time and space yourself but if what you have presented is a summary of your honest beliefs on the matter..HOLY CRAP!

    On the Muslim meltdown. I think you share a view of many and I think it is the wrong one. this is where I differ from many of my own peers politically. I think we in the non-Muslim world make a mistake in viewing the history and multiple layers of the evolution of Islam. In simplest terms amidst a plot for power consolidation and empire a faith broke and for centuries an overwhelming majority followed a relatively decent path of the Five Pillars and conducted themselves in a spirit not too unlike the other Abrahamics.
    The nations and peoples,many artificial in make up as well as many other things all occurred leading up to what we see today. now I’m the one without the time and space to go further. Suffice to say Islam isn’t like to see a Reformation as we know it. They indeed will need to solve the issue themselves.

    As for Israel and Iran your base premise is incorrect. Iran doesn’t loathe Israel due to nuclear hegemony and for the record Israel doesn’t flaunt its capabilities or present them as an offensive weapon within their arsenal.
    Iran hates Israel for the simple fact that Israel exists. Iran views them as outsiders & occupiers. Iran also,like many Arab nations in history find Israel a handy whipping boy for many of their domestic ills. We can go further….how much time do you have?

  • 24. dead rabbit  |  September 19, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Yeah. This blog entry sucked. You used to put some effort into your craft. Hot garbage.

    This is disgusting….but did you write it on your iphone in order to pass the time while you blow up the bathroom? I can picture your weird looking carcass taking a dump while writing this one.

    I’m aware this imagery makes me the weird one. I used to go online and picture hot Brazilian nurses tending to my every need. Now I picture Rutherford Lawson taking a shit.

  • 25. Alfie  |  September 19, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    I’m waiting for Michael Steele to talk 15 mins from my home
    Does that mean he’s sitting on the corner jammering for 15 minutes or….

  • 26. muffy  |  September 19, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    “…19 people…”

    I just heard over the weekend something that made me stop and think, wow, that’s a lot of people.

    “8 wounded, 3 dead in shootings on the South and West last night.”

    Over Memorial Day weekend this year it was something like 40 wounded, 11 dead if I remember correctly.

    I’ll bet some of those shooters were Christians. Some of those that were shot, too.

  • 27. muffy  |  September 19, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Personally I think #2 deserves a more meaningful reply than #5.

  • 28. Tex Taylor  |  September 19, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    Raji,

    Back to your point. You’re not clueless like Rutherford, apologist for failure like Thor, dimwitted like Newton DensiHO, or clinically insane and deluded like Tool™.

    I know we’re not particularly crazy about each other, but you seem to accept truth. So let me ask you a question. Feel free to criticize my question, where applicable and I’ll respond with restraint. Because this has been bothering me now for a time that people are apparently under the impression our current federal tax structure unfair and imbalanced.

    Currently:

    The top 10% of income tax returns with a threshold of approximately $112,000 paid 70.5% of the federal taxes, minus payroll, in this nation in 2010 – last records I could find. The top 25%, threshold about $67,000, paid a little more than 87% of the federal taxes, minus payroll.

    Do you consider that a progressive tax rate, or not?

    Second question. Payroll taxes – Medicare. Other than the top 5% of wage earners (which are means tested for Medicare – a topic beyond this discussion) each employee pays 1.45% of wages. Medicare does not discriminate on a wage scale in its application, whether you made $10,000 or $110,000 – you will receive the same benefit upon retirement.

    Do you consider this a progressive tax for 95% of wage earners in America?

    Third question: SS – first $110,100.00 of wages.

    If I told you the bottom 80% of wage earners make a profit from Social Security – in other words, 4 out of 5 wage earners will receive more benefit from SS than they put in (inflation adjusted), would you consider that a progressive tax?

    I would like to use you, not by name, in a discussion that I’ve been having with some from academia about the perspective of a typical taxpayer.

    You’re about as middle of the road is it gets here.

  • 29. Tex Taylor  |  September 19, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Muffy,

    After almost 1,400 comments on the last thread over a period of more than a week, Mr. Lawson never answered my first question, comment #4 – and it was a serious question. I was scolded numerous times, mocked numerous times, and condemned numerous times. :grin: And I’m seriously wounded. Burp….

    Rutherford is highly critical of my basic skeptical nature. And I can’t for the life of me figure out why I might be cynical with respect to asking Rutherford a question, and never receiving an answer of substance or thought. Or maybe that is the substance and thought of response.

    Which brings me back to square one with the purpose of this blog. I thought it was supposed to be a discussion by definition.

    What I think Rutherford doesn’t like? Content and breadth of my questioning. If it is the number of questions, I can accept that. But we’re talking question #1.

    I am beginning to suspect (cough cough) that perhaps Rutherford doesn’t have an answer to my questions. Or that his answer might expose a little gap, if you catch my drift.

    Perhaps I should temper my questions for tomorrow’s answers.

    ————-

    Rutherford, did you and your wife get popcorn while listening to Mr. Steele? What flavor of ice cream do you like? Who is your favorite rock group? Did it rain today in Naperville?

  • 30. Newt or no newt  |  September 19, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    I was just thinking, I hope none of you wasted the grocery money on the Zimmerman Defense Fund. Sweet dreams ya all.

  • 31. dead rabbit  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:15 am

    You must be talking about the lack of wannabe Gangsta DNA on the gun. Seems immaterial to me. Either the Z man’s life was in danger because of an assault or it wasn’t. To be honest, part of me hopes Zimmerman gets locked up. I just don’t get how you can be that stupid to find yourself in a fight with a dude walking down the street when you are in a car and when you are carrying. But law is the law. Silly little gangsta might have picked on the wrong nosey douche bag.

    The thing is, we don’t know if Zimmerman started the physical confrontation.

    If I was a betting man…oh yeah….I am a betting man…..I’d say Z man catches a murder rap.

  • 32. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:31 am

    I was just thinking~~Newt

    Everyone has to suck at something. Thanks for doing your part.

  • 33. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:00 am

    I’d say Z man catches a murder rap.

    Think so, Rabbit? Of course, I it never ceases to amaze what courts of law can find, but I would be shocked if Z doesn’t walk. 2nd degree murder?

    Hard to prove.

    And if it pisses DensiHO off, I root for the big “NOT GUILTY” by jury nullification just to hear jelly shriek like a wild hyena.

  • 34. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:03 am

    Everyone has to suck at something. Thanks for doing your part.

    :lol: Sucks to be Densi.

  • 36. PFesser  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:59 am

    R – I’m sorry; I just got around to reading this post. I really don’t know what to say…except that I get the gnawing feeling that you don’t believe a lot of it and just wrote it to get a rise out of folks, er, I mean stimulate conversation.

    “Even when I recognized that for the most part they were doing jobs most Americans didn’t want to do,”

    Not true; never has been. Americans are quite willing to do those jobs; they just can’t do it for the prices that illegals do, since they have to pay taxes.

    “I already agreed that Obama was right to extent flexibility to children of undocumented workers who came here by no choice of their own”

    No choice? What, they were kidnapped? Honestly, Rutherford…and as the man said, calling them “undocumented workers” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist.” They are here illegally.

    “For the most part, these “illegals” represent the promise of the American Dream”

    No they don’t. They “represent” criminals.

    “They are no different from the scores of immigrants who have come to our shores over the past 200+ years. They come here to escape a life of certain poverty. They come here because they believe they will find opportunities not available south of the border. What makes them different is that instead of an ocean, there is only an invisible line in the soil separating them from their dream.”

    What a load of horseshit. A nation without laws is no nation – it’s anarchy. It is Somalia. Why do you think these laws were passed? For fun? Our allowing these people to come here ILLEGALLY is itself a travesty. It makes a mockery of the people who have gone through the process and become citizens by law, and of the rest of us.

    “Undocumented workers don’t come here to hurt us. They come here to help themselves.”

    That doesn’t make it right.

    *************

    “Perhaps a Muslim reformation sometime in the future is not outside the realm of possibility? I believe the only way to get rid of radical Islam is from within.”

    Wait for them to, do what? Come to Jesus? Suddenly become rational – on their own? And in the meantime? What are we supposed to do, let them have nukes?

    “why can’t the Iran/Israel standoff be resolved this way:
    Iran simply says to Israel, “We will stop developing nuclear capability when you demonstrate that you have disarmed your nuclear weapons.” Seems simple enough to me. What am I missing?”

    Here’s what you are missing: If all the arabs that hate Israel were to disarm tomorrow morning, nothing – and I mean nothing – would happen. If the Israelis were to disarm tomorrow, they would be annihilated. The only thing that prevents a full-scale assault is the belief that Israel has nuclear weapons. That fill in the blanks for you?

    Prediction: Israel will attack Iran within three months. Maybe sooner.

  • 37. James  |  September 20, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Muffy is right with number 16. Some of my direct ancestors killed witches in Salem. One was a girl who charged neighbors who where feuding with the family. Another sat on the jury who convicted them.

    It was a period of psychological unraveling when people sank to their savage nature. I witnessed such an event in the service.

    Another case occurred in our county in 1894. After a western style gun battle a group of concerned citizens lynched one of the killers.

    We saw a non-violent version after Bush beat Gore. Bush Derangement Syndrome became an acceptable term.

  • 38. James  |  September 20, 2012 at 8:47 am

    I have mentioned a Musiim Reformation before. It is what the religion needs, but it has to come from within, and we see few signs of it now. They are fanatics who behave like savages in the name of religion, and the more reasonable Muslims do little because they rightly want to live.

    As Pfessor wrote, illegals are criminals who deserve nothing from us. If from the goodness our hearts we give them a chance to make amends they can start at the back of the line, we should, but we owe them nothing.

    The old chiche is ” what would you do if you found a deserving family squatting in your living room one morning?”

  • 39. James  |  September 20, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Newt, I don’t care about the Zimmerman case. My concern was the press and politicians who lied and tried to convict him before the trial for racist reasons.

    Most of us don’t realize how many taxes we actually pay. For we who pay income taxes, the moment of truth comes with the bill. Others who don’t pay or get an earned income credit back have a different psychological reaction than the rest of us.

    Many of us don’t realize how heavily we are subsidies unless the government sends us a check. Our system is as unsustainable as a Ponzi scheme.

  • 40. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Because I’m fair and balanced, my response to comment #1.

  • 41. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Admittedly Hugh Atkin has a lot of time on his hands but he’s a talented dude.

  • 42. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:18 am

    The fact that Rutherford is forced to resort to the “immaturity” of Christianity from the sins of executing 19 people by a bunch of loons who used who knows what for justification; and that preceded the formation of our country by mostly PROTESTANT Christians by 84 years in the country Rutherford happily resides?

    First an apology to Tex … dude, the comment made no sense the first time I read it but after reading your explanation and re-reading the comment, I get it now.

    The Witch Trials was easy pickin’s. I could have used a better example but didn’t feel like going back to the Crusades, etc. The fact that the Witch Trials preceded the nation is irrelevant. I wasn’t making a statement about our nation. I was making a statement about different religions and what stages they have gone through.

    It’s not worth getting in a huff about … I simply thought the idea interesting that religions do change as they mature and that coincidentally Islam is the youngest of the three Abrahamic religions. I was offering a glimmer of hope that one day moderate Muslims will be successful at reformation. I think it has interesting sociological implications.

  • 43. James  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:19 am

    i like the video.

    Another thing about illegal immigration is that it also helps keep our unemployment rate over 8% for the longest time since the great depression. More people than ever are on food stamps.

    The scut labor doesn’t have to be reserved for our immigrant under class. Let the unemployed do the jobs while agencies help them find more suitable employment.

  • 44. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:24 am

    James, you correctly point out the problems with the current illegal immigration situation. As I said in my piece, I am not for open borders. I agree that processes must be followed. I just think our attitude can color our policy and the attitude that most of these folks are undeserving of our compassion or their own dignity misses the boat.

    I’m not saying we don’t have a problem. I was just sharing that my view of Mexican illegal immigrants in particular was overly negative and has changed after seeing the situation from perspectives presented at the DNC.

  • 45. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Raji, thanks for the article on the 47%. It just goes to prove Romney’s comment was wrong in so many ways.

  • 46. James  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Another example of Christian intolerance within the past couple of hundred years is the treatment of Europe’s northern indigious people. Some call themselves white Indians because they share many cultural and religious values with Indians and Inuits.

    The Russians tried to blow up the Mari’s sacred mountain in a failed attempt to force them to convert to Christianity. Norway and Sweden burned Sami shamists at the stake and sold some people into slavery. They banned their rituals and music as they attempted to exterminate the population by forcing them to assimilate with the culture. Over 39.000 were forceabley sterilized.

    For two hundred years, Swedes declared Fins to be Asian and thus not eligible for the rights and privilages of true Europeans.

    Now, Norway has applogized and now recognizes the old Sami religion as letitimate. It was done in the name of religion, but other forces were at work.

  • 47. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Noah, I just can’t help but wonder if this blog is such a joke why do you keep posting?

    Noah has made a cottage industry out of being outraged. He’d actually make a very good radical Muslim.

  • 48. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:35 am

    By making exceptions as Obama has done …

    Putting aside for the moment that this was a pander to the Hispanic community, it is still based in sound human decency. Why should young adults who did not come here by choice, and have become contributing members of our society be punished for the actions of their parents? Other than “tough sh*t” you’ve got no response.

  • 49. James  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:38 am

    Yes, Rutherford, we basically agree. Some of my wife’s students befriended some Mexicans who we think were here legally. They invited them to a wedding in Mexico City. Their middle class home and two car garage contrasted with the hard life they lived in the US to pay for a middle class mod at home.

    We have to regulate immigration because unrestrained movement here by good people will still destroy the country we know.

  • 50. muffy  |  September 20, 2012 at 10:09 am

    “I was just sharing that my view of Mexican illegal immigrants in particular was overly negative.”

    I’ll say. Maybe the admission that your position was based on feelings says something about how you perceive others’ positions on things. Unfortunately your POV still seems to be based on feelings but at least now they are feelings of good will.

    The president’s actions – mostly inaction, harrassment of people in border states who cannot remain inactive, and then a hasty end-run around the more sound avenues for change (and yes, for the purpose of pandering for votes) – are no more based on compassion than the people who take a stand on enforcing current immigration laws.

  • 51. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:00 am

    This week its a reminder of the Salem Witch Trials followed by their existence serving as evidence that the Muslims need a Reformation because….well, we don’t know. Maybe he just felt like talking about the witch trials. He loves to shoot from the hip when it comes to religious history.

    Work on constructive criticism Rabbit and actually contributing something worthwhile to the discussion. You’re increasingly becoming a whining nag.

  • 52. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:03 am

    You keep killing ours, we bomb you back to the stone-age and remove your capability to wage violence.

    It is one way to tackle the problem … and quite frankly a way that I greatly sympathize with. But wouldn’t it be preferable for Islam to clean up its act?

    On a side note, Raji said that radical Islam will always be with us. If we can acknowledge that Christianity has changed throughout the centuries, why should we totally give up on Islam? That was the point I was trying to make.

  • 53. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:05 am

    That’s like saying Muslims killed 3000 people on 9/11.

    Muffy I get your point … but isn’t that exactly the way many people feel including some on this very board?

  • 54. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Noah has made a cottage industry out of being outraged. He’d actually make a very good radical Muslim.

    Sorry Rutherford I don’t have your ability to hate people before knowing them. I don’t have the ability to hate people for their religion. I don’t have the ability to hate people for their skin color. I just wasn’t raised like you, stop projecting. Besides, I’m not the one sacrificing my kids to make my life easier. Keep taking deep breaths of that karma for me.

    Still waiting on the rebuttal. Happy to make compilation posts if you need a refresher.

  • 55. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:09 am

    53 No but I know of at least 2 that feel in some way we should apologize for 9/11.

  • 56. poolman  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:12 am

    The only time immigration is an issue seems to be at campaign time. The rest of the time it doesn’t make front page news, unless an ‘incident’ occurs or a stupid project like a fence is being pushed. Now that we have drones, I expect the next news item will be drone -related.

    Illegals stealing citizen’s jobs is an employer issue, which is what is always has been and where the enforcement should always occur. Mostly it’s a political point of which we have many.

    Gawd I am so sick of politics. I wish the vile split under politicians noses could be cauterized.

  • 57. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Nearly 6 million Americans — significantly more than first estimated— will face a tax penalty under President Barack Obama’s health overhaul for not getting insurance, congressional analysts said Wednesday. Most would be in the middle class.

    The new estimate amounts to an inconvenient fact for the administration, a reminder of what critics see as broken promises.

    Not to gloat Rutherford…but IN YOUR FACE!!!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/health-care-tax-penalty_n_1898005.html?utm_hp_ref=business&ncid=webmail1

  • 58. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Is it Israel that is refusing to recognize other nations as being legitimate?

    Is it Israel that is firing rockets into other countries daily, killing their civilian men, women, and children?

    Maybe I’m missing something. Yes, Israel refuses to recognize Palestine as legitimate … or am I wrong?

    Israel does not fire rockets unprovoked but it does occupy another country with settlements where they are not wanted. Am I wrong?

    If Israel were to disarm, they would be made extinct, FACT! If Israels enemies were to disarm, their would be peace in the middle east, FACT!

    If Israel’s unacknowledged nuclear capability was so great a deterrent then why do they whine constantly about Iran? Why don’t they just come out and say, “Iran, much like USSR and USA of cold war days, we are in a pact of mutually assured destruction. If you launch on us, we will launch on you.”

    And isn’t it a bit naive to think that “Israel’s enemies” have only Israel to think about. Why in a region where both Pakistan and India have nukes … and across the ocean a very antagonistic America has nukes, is it so bizarre for Iran to want to have its own arsenal of deterrence?

    One more thing … as unstable and disloyal as Pakistan has been to the United States, why do we let them be a nuclear power scot free?

    Again Noah …. as I said in the main piece, I’m not claiming to be a Foreign Policy whiz but I don’t find much clarity in the current state of affairs.

  • 59. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:18 am

    2 in 5 taxpayers – nada. And you believe that fair and healthy in a Republic?

    Tex, when you say military wages should be taxed then I’ll believe in the sincerity of your position.

  • 60. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:20 am

    That’s pretty backward. I mean that you would think anything other than this before. Why would anyone need a political convention to enlighten them to any of this?

    We all have our prejudices Muffy. I needed a wake up call, simple as that.

  • 61. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:21 am

    The Witch Trials was easy pickin’s. I could have used a better example but didn’t feel like going back to the Crusades, etc

    Yeah, why don’t you Obama lickspittle use the Crusades as example? Because you damn sure don’t know anything about the Crusades and the defeat of Islam now, do you?

    You ought to be damn glad for the ‘immature’ Christians and the Crusades, which saved the world the first time of Islam establishing a global Caliphate.

    Clueless. Absolutely clueless.

  • 62. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Because the economy is improving right?

    http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/09/20/bank-of-america-to-cut-16000-jobs-by-year-end-report-says/?ncid=webmail11

  • 63. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Tex, when you say military wages should be taxed then I’ll believe in the sincerity of your position.

    Basic Pay IS TAXABLE (unless you are actively serving in a designated tax-free combat zone). They pay Federal Income Tax, Social Security, Medicare, and State Taxes on basic pay.

    Housing and subsistence allowances are not taxable.

    You were saying something about my sincerity?

  • 64. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Raji said that radical Islam will always be with us. If we can acknowledge that Christianity has changed throughout the centuries, why should we totally give up on Islam? That was the point I was trying to make.

    Can you please explain to us again when Christianity was radical? I am just dying to know. Unless your Jewish and residing in Jerusalem, good luck.

    Why don’t you ever mention the excesses of your own godless religion? Wasn’t it “mature” in the 20th century?

  • 65. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:34 am

    I won’t bother with the POTUS part because of the mythical aspects of it. The oversimplification.Numbing.

    Please show me where in modern history the very citizenship of the POTUS was called into question.

    Iran doesn’t loathe Israel due to nuclear hegemony and for the record Israel doesn’t flaunt its capabilities or present them as an offensive weapon within their arsenal.

    I don’t think I addressed WHY Iran hates Israel. In fact I’m making more of a statement about Israel than I am Iran. Where do they get off having “secret” nuclear capabilities? You’re right … Israel doesn’t flaunt it, they’re outright coy about it. Why the dishonesty on their part?

    On some level, I think it takes a lot of balls for any country that has nukes (America, Israel, whoever) to tell another country they can’t have them. Is Iran the only lunatic nation on the planet? No. As I said in an earlier comment, I’m deeply troubled that Pakistan has the bomb. We’re not doing squat about that.

    If I were Iran I’d stop pretending to cooperate and I’d say “look, we are a sovereign nation which has the right to build its military capability in the manner we see fit. Until the other nations of the world disarm their nuclear capabilities, we would prefer to be on the side of the armed vs the unarmed.”

    Finally, Alfie, your position on Islam confuses me a bit. You do seem to acknowledge that the religion has transformed (for the worse?) over the centuries and you seem to acknowledge that change can only come from within. So I’m not entirely sure where you disagree with me.

  • 66. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:35 am

    [unacknowledged nuclear capability]

    Is this different than acknowledged nuclear capability?

    [And isn’t it a bit naive to think that “Israel’s enemies” have only Israel to think about]

    What does the ONLY have to do with anything? They could have a hundred different things to worry about, the fact they want to exterminate their race would still be a horrific act. What point does this make?

    [One more thing … as unstable and disloyal as Pakistan has been to the United States, why do we LET them be a nuclear power scot free?]

    I would like to note, that the hypocrite here, who hates the war mongering Bush, has shown his true colors again. Aside from the LET part of that statement, what would you do, nuke them?

    I had my suspicions that you were a Jew hater, now we are confirmed. Israel gets attacked daily, and you are an apologist for the people attacking them. The fact you put it on Israel just shows once again your inability to acknowledge the most basic truths. How long before you tell us the Holocaust never happened?

  • 67. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Still think the lickspittles for Obama aren’t a cult? I pledge allegiance to Obama…

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/actress-jessica-alba-asks-voters-to-pledge-allegiance-to-obama/article/2508539#.UFs32FFEs4K

  • 68. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:39 am

    [If Israel’s unacknowledged nuclear capability was so great a deterrent then why do they whine constantly about Iran?]

    Again note the war monger Rutherford. First a government that refuses to acknowledge them, who has openly stated they want to exterminate Israel, develops nuclear technology, ans Israel is whining? Really? Then Rutherford, the anti Bush war monger, advocates death threats in the way of total nuclear destruction over removing their nuclear capability thus saving millions of innocent lives over his nuclear option. You just cant make this shit up.

  • 69. Raji  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Tex, re: #28. Before I decide whether or not to attempt to answer your question, I think we need to establish what you think was “my point”. I posted a link to an article regarding the 47% that I found interesting. I also posted a “QUOTE” from the article which did not represent my opinion. I posted that quote because I didn’t know there were people who actually thought “they don’t have any skin in the game” regarding their tax status or non tax status.

    I spend more time and energy on what you “perceive” I say rather than what I actually did say in any discussion with you. For example, the last post you made at Alfie’s inferred that I implied Obama’s FP in the Middle East was successful. How you got that impression from my comment regarding Romney’s FP is beyond me.

    So if you will state what you “PERCEIVE” I think regarding a progressive tax rate, then I will attempt to answer your question.

  • 70. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:43 am

    If Israel’s unacknowledged nuclear capability was so great a deterrent then why do they whine constantly about Iran? Why don’t they just come out and say, “Iran, much like USSR and USA of cold war days, we are in a pact of mutually assured destruction. If you launch on us, we will launch on you.”

    The man thinks Iran is the USSR? What is it that he doesn’t understand than mutual destruction only works with rational people? Israel is eight miles wide in places. What is it that he doesn’t understand about existential threat? Israel won’t even have a chance to arm when hit. It’s the size of New Jersey.

    What is it that “R” doesn’t understand that is the goal of the Imams to usher in their Mahdi? Chaos…

    And how can America survive with half of its citizens so clueless about the world and Islam.

    Now wouldn’t that make a fine post?

  • 71. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Romney would do well with China and the Soviet Union. His FP with the Middle East not so much. In a perfect world, we would elect two CEO’s for the office of POTUS, one for domestic affairs and one for foreign affairs.

    And you know this how about Romney and the failure of his Middle East? Are you a prophet?

    I PERCEIVE you think yourself terribly reasoned, but reach conclusions through sheer conjecture.

    Don’t answer the tax question then.

    Vote Obama…you’re a better fit with that party.

  • 72. James  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Israel is beseiged. Do Palastinians recognize Isreal’s right to exist?

    It is fine to hope Islam experiences a reformation. but until then, we face the reality of a culture which wants to destroy ours. As we know, the Crusades were a defensive measure, ultimately to save Europe.

    Such people duped Obama, the UN and western Europe into giving much of the Middle East to the extremists and put pressure on the others. I think the Russians are right to help Syria. Their motives are complicated with self-interest, but they also know some of the rebels are as nasty as Arab Spring Libyans were.

    Feelings and sympathy are well and good, but our survival depends on our being able to view the world with an accountant’s eye. Empathy and emotions for deserving immigrants or down trodden Muslims are no substitute for debits and credits of various policies. All that matters is our survival.

    As we said in the service “better you than me.”

    I agree with Poolman. Immigration doesn’t bother most of our politicians until election time.
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  • 73. Newt or no newt  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:54 am

    This makes sense to me, explains the mind set of the majority of you.
    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021382805

  • 74. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Did you not note that my question was asked in the interrogative sense at Alfie’s?

    When you are a constant critic of Mitt Romney’s standing, what would you expect me to PERCEIVE?

    Sorry, but when I read a post discounting federal taxes and favoring Rutherford’s misconception right before the question, followed by another post declaring Romney’s FP policies won’t work, am I to then assume you hold Romney is some favorable light?

  • 75. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:55 am

    I kind of wondered about Rutherford’s prophetic abilities myself. I believe he gave Romney a D grade on Foreign Policy, and I wondered what policies were implemented by Romney that Rutherford graded. I would hate to think Rutherford would judge someone on something they haven’t actually done, Surely he wouldn’t do that would he?

  • 76. Raji  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:57 am

    R @52 “On a side note, Raji said that radical Islam will always be with us.”

    Every religion has a radical faction including Christianity regardless how the mainstream branch has evolved. It’s the nature of the beast

  • 77. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:57 am

    I still think Newt is juanajo, making a living driving web traffic to 3rd rate hack sights.

  • 78. James  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:59 am

    A difference between the Soviets’, the Wests’, Pakistani’ and Indians” balance of nuclear terror is that most leaders of both sides were/are rational people who want to live.

    Iran has some extremists who believe nuclear war will set the stage for the arrival of the Twelfth Iman who will usher in the end times. Their motives are not entirely rational.

    Some Christians believe Israel is part of the prophecy that Jesus’ return is almost here. Wouldn’t it be a hoot if Jesus and the Twelfth Iman met face to face. Would it be Armagedon?

  • 79. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    76
    Why do leftists always explain away the things they support by saying “I know you have at least 1 person somewhere in the millions of people that are in your group that would/does the same, so it makes it ok.”? It is a statement that ultimately proves nothing.

  • 80. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Yeah. This blog entry sucked. You used to put some effort into your craft. Hot garbage.

    See earlier response …. whining nag. If I’ve lost my edge you sure as hell have lost yours on the critique side.

  • 81. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    What I experienced myself were comments such as “Obama is the most unethical president” or “the worst president.” Or that he’s trying to put an end to the middle class. But outside of those soundbites, they have nothing substantial to support their beliefs! Except for one ^ million things:

    $16trillion in debt
    Massive redistribution
    Fast & Furious
    Green Energy Boondoggles, including Solyndra…
    Eric Holder
    No recovery
    16MM in new food stamp recipients

    Trust me, Noah. Newt is Sensico. I know it for a fact. If you had the history from a couple of years back, it would confirm. Wattle Jean is brighter than this one, which isn’t saying much.

  • 82. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    “8 wounded, 3 dead in shootings on the South and West last night

    Muffy I lost the train of thought … are these Chicago statistics?

    I never knew until I moved here just how f*cked up Chicago is. I don’t like Rudy Giuliani but I suspect Rahm could learn a lesson or two from him about how to clean up a city.

  • 83. James  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Thanks for the link, Newt.

    I don’t know about the people here, but it certainly explains the liberal mind set. John Stewart is either lying, not meeting true Republicans, or his medication needs adjusting. Some of the commenters live in an alternative universe.

    Who blames Democrats when it rains and hurts crops? That is stupid. However, figurative rain such as the deficit and high unemployment are the Democrats’ fault.

  • 84. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Personally I think #2 deserves a more meaningful reply than #5.

    You’re right Muffy … that’s why I apologized to Tex. I didn’t read his #2 correctly and therefore thought Tex didn’t read me correctly. My bad.

    Still I’m not sure how the rant about atheism is relevant. Tex thinks this is my usual smack at Christianity. On the contrary, I’m conceding from the outset that modern Christianity does not tolerate the kind of savagery we are seeing from radical Islam right now. The only question, which most of you seem to dismiss, is whether there is any aspect of “evolution” of the two religions involved.

  • 85. James  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    If you can extrapulate Romney’s career when he is still untried. I can do the same with Obama who has a record.

    I agree,someone like Guilanni could help clean up Chicago.

  • 86. James  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    I have not dismissed the question about aspects of the evolution of the two religions. Islam has not evolved to any extent, and is not likely to in the near future. Some of it is based on legitimate political and economic grieviences which matter less to me than our survival. As I wrote earlier “better you than me.”.

  • 87. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Rutherford, did you and your wife get popcorn while listening to Mr. Steele? What flavor of ice cream do you like? Who is your favorite rock group? Did it rain today in Naperville?

    Thanks for finally asking some questions that even a dumbass like me can answer.

    My wife did not attend. She is still recovering from surgery and someone had to stay home with the kid. There was no popcorn offered.

    I don’t like ice cream as much as I once did. I like vanilla with chocolate syrup. I also like chocolate. I also like vanilla with chocolate mint chips.

    My fav rock group varies …. among them are Green Day (coming out with a trilogy over the next six months), REM and CCR.

    It did not rain yesterday nor today but the weather has been much cooler.

    See …. I don’t ignore ALL your questions. ;-)

  • 88. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    I wrote this yesterday, derived from a portion of a comment I read elsewhere. The previous thread was very long and I should have held my water. Densico’s comment deserves a reply, and an example as to why these people will go to any lengths to defend Obama.

    Obviously, these Obama bootlickers are not cold blooded murderers – just ideologues that can’t admit mistake, and continue in their defense of rationalizing how they couldn’t be wrong, no matter how silly and muddled their message.

    ——–—

    Years ago, in a conversation with a prominent sociologist, the commenter asked him why some members of the Charles Manson gang could not pass their parole hearings. They certainly knew, after several failed attempts, what attitude they should have and what they needed to say. They would simply not recant. His reply was that the enormity of their crime could not be faced and admitted, to themselves or anyone else. It had to be justified, and so they did, time after time, at their parole hearings.

    I believe it’s the same thing you read here day after day. These Obama supporters cannot face up to the enormity and magnitude of Obama’s failure. Their vote has to be justified.

    I surmise to voters like Rutherford and Thor, Obama is more than a candidate. He a visionary – he was their ideal philosophical candidate.

    But it is more than Obama failing. The entire philosophical constructs of modern day liberalism have failed. That’s a bitter pill to swallow.

    And that makes it personal – very personal.

  • 89. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    See …. I don’t ignore ALL your questions. ;-)

    After Nov. 7th, I’ll try to keep my questions to a bare minimum and at that level. You do well with these. :wink: Thank you for answering.

    I too like vanilla ice cream with chocolate syrup. Nothing better than Braum’s vanilla ice cream, with a quarter bottle of Hershey’s syrup dribbled over every square inch.

    I do admit the sin of bombarding you with questions – some of them difficult and complex. I don’t really know why either when I don’t get an answer in return to even the most simple.

    Now, balance has been restored.

    But one more question. Just in case you’re wrong and Romney not toast, you going to be okay November 7th? Because I don’t think Romney toast quite yet, and I was wondering if my belittling was actually causing you distress.

    I wasn’t entirely honest at Alfie’s that not my concern – I still have a smidgen of a conscience, even if you don’t “love” me anymore.

  • 90. James  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    I agree, Tex. The Washington Examiner has an article “The Obama you don’t know”

    It also requires a personal, emotional reach that Obama let four men die in Libya because he misunderstood the mood, and that he lied about the event to protect himself. Ted kennedy did the same thing in another context.

  • 91. Alfie  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Rutherford one of the examples I included in my earlier comment
    includes one where a number of things including citizenship and bastard love baby were openly pressed.

    Re your follow up on the Muslim matter. I guess I have confused the hell out of you. I don’t believe the religion has transformed for the worse. I have always held that there is an inherent level of danger within the religion of Islam as it ultimately still has roots in what started it. I don’t find it “worse” today per se especially seeing as folks need to remember the #1 victim of Islamic extremist behavior is….other Muslims.

    Re your Iran portion to the post and your comment. Now you’re confusing me and yourself. In my reading you absolutely opened the door to Irans position being explored when you stated:

    I ask my more knowledgeable readers why can’t the Iran/Israel standoff be resolved this way:
    Iran simply says to Israel, “We will stop developing nuclear capability when you demonstrate that you have disarmed your nuclear weapons.”

  • 92. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    So Tex …. I went back and reviewed comment #4 from the previous thread. I have to chuckle. Why did you expect an answer when my entire premise was that arguing scripture is a futile exercise?

    If memory serves, the whole brouhaha arose when BiW objected to Liz Warren quoting scripture … and he provided examples that CONTRADICTED what she said. This lead to my assertion that the Bible is full of contradictions. Tex I’m not alone in that assessment. I’m not even one among two or three loons. There are LOTS of people who take from the Bible general allegorical tales that teach moral lessons (akin to Aesop’s fables) and leave it at that. It is my experience that those who take all of it as fact, hook line and sinker, end up twisting themselves into pretzels to reconcile the inconsistencies in message.

    Furthermore, I find a trend of Christians dissing the Old Testament and claiming if there are any contradictions, it is between the old and the new. But then as Ann Coulter says, Christians are “perfected Jews”.

    Mmmm. I think it’s time for a nice dose of Ann. In this interview she seems particularly deranged. But I will say I enjoy watching Ann with her nasty snickers as she makes her points. I think she will be on Rock Center tonight debating Bill Maher. That oughta be fun …. watching the most obnoxious representatives from either side of the political spectrum face off.

  • 93. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Everyone has to suck at something. Thanks for doing your part.

    Noah’s bit of nasty did remind me of a great George Carlin one-liner which I paraphrase “Right now, someone has an appointment with the worst doctor in the world.” :lol:

  • 94. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    PF, thanks for the comment …. let’s take them one by one.

    Yes, quite frankly, a two year old brought here illegally has been technically kidnapped from their home country. They did not make the choice to illegally enter the country. How you can dispute that, boggles the mind.

    My more or less whimsical observation about Islam was not meant to suggest we just wait until they “mature” and take our whupping in the meantime. I don’t really know how anyone could get that from what I wrote. I was more suggesting that perhaps there is hope that Islam will “evolve” sometime in the future. In the meantime, sadly, Noah’s solution is probably the most expedient and effective.

    Again, regarding Israel, I think what has me pissed off is the secretive nature of their nuclear program which goes unchallenged by the international community. Why can’t they man up and say “we’ve got ‘em and if we need to, we’ll use ‘em” the same way America does? I’m not suggesting they disarm … I’m suggesting that Iran do what it’s gonna do, and that if mutually assured destruction is what these boys want, then let them go at it.

    Again PF … who gets to judge which nations are too crazy to have the bomb? Why does Pakistan have the bomb?

    P.S. There are those among the foreign policy talking heads who view Bibi as slightly paranoid at worst, and at best the “boy who cried wolf” since he’s been complaining about Iranian nuclear capability for ages and there is zero proof they are anywhere near able.

  • 95. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    I will say this … it looks to me like the Israel vs Iran thing will not end well.

  • 96. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    I don’t have your ability to hate people before knowing them.

    You’re kidding right? You know Newt and Emily well enough to call them b*tches? Lord knows you think you have me completely figured out and I’d be surprised if we’ve ever met.

  • 97. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    You ought to be damn glad for the ‘immature’ Christians and the Crusades

    Mmmm I’m not sure I’ve ever heard anyone actually defend the Crusades before. Oh well.

  • 98. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Why can’t they man up and say “we’ve got ‘em and if we need to, we’ll use ‘em” the same way America does?

    Did I attack newt or Emily first, or did they attack me? I will not be an apologist like you. They chose their path, I responded in kind.

    I do have you pegged, as does anyone who reads more than 2 posts. Not a hard assessment to make. I will get to work on my compliations.

  • 99. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Basic Pay IS TAXABLE (unless you are actively serving in a designated tax-free combat zone).

    Everyone, including Republicans has said Romney insulted the military with his remarks. so either they or you are arguing a technicality.

  • 100. thorsaurus  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Anyone who gives the birther notion more than one of Sheldon’s looks of “haughty derision” is either not serious about the problems faced by this nation or a moron or possibly both.

    I think the fact that people will risk their dignity, their legality and their lives to come here shows this nation still holds great promise for all of us, despite the cryptic views often sown on these threads.

    I think the key to our future interactions with Islamic countries is to engage the moderates and marginalize the radicals. Unfortunately, we have to walk that tightrope with newly formed democracies that could tilt either way. Our common enemies (the radicals) will constantly attempt to pit us against each other. The only other choice is to support despots that will crush these uprisings. But then we run the risk of the pot eventually boiling over. Witness Iran under the Shah and I dare say, possibly Saudi Arabia in the near future.

    As a pacifist at heart, this is a tough pill to swallow, but I think Israel must keep its weapons. I don’t believe we have ever stopped a nation from getting the bomb that seriously pursued it. Mutual destruction will be their only deterrent.

  • 101. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    ops wrong paste..but i think you can see where the 2 and 3 paragraph were aimed at. To my paragraph 1.

    Why do you need them to admit to it? What is changed by this admission? These are two separate questions.

  • 102. Alfie  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    @97 ummmm yeah ya have

  • 103. thorsaurus  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    James, thank you for your comment near the end of the last thread. I hope “that” won’t be necessary for a very, very, very long time. :)

  • 104. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Noah’s comment calling me a Jew hater will be ignored … just so you don’t think I overlooked it … I’m not dignifying it with an answer.

  • 105. Alfie  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    @99 to call that an insult is a mockery of intelligence.On one hand it is sad military personnel are taxed but in reality they are ,and probably up to the higher pay grades ,are like those I mentioned in the other thread. they are not taxpayers. They are folks providing the Feds with a zero interest loan.

  • 106. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Don’t answer the tax question then.

    Vote Obama…you’re a better fit with that party.

    LOL typical Tex … catch him on the wrong day and he goes into a snit instead of cooperating with the discussion.

    Raji, I don’t know why you bother.

  • 107. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    I think the fact that people will risk their dignity, their legality and their lives to come here shows this nation still holds great promise for all of us, despite the cryptic views often sown on these threads.

    Yes most suicide bombers exhibit all these traits and more. 9/11 showed us that.

  • 108. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    104 there is no point, when compared to the truth any response would ring hollow.

  • 109. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Newt …. once again you’ve hit it on the head. Republicans look at Romney and identify with him even though he would lay them off without a second’s thought. They’re the delusional rabbit chasing after that carrot that’s kept JUST beyond their reach but they’re convinced, no matter how badly the game is rigged, that they will get that carrot someday.

    The implicit message of Romney is “vote for me and you can be just like me.” It’s like a bad infomercial.

  • 110. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    Newt …. once again you’ve hit it on the head. Republicans look at Romney and identify with him even though he would lay them off without a second’s thought.

    A Lie..but no surprise coming from the Comrade

    It’s like a bad infomercial.

    Yes because a better informercial is the Obama menu at McDonalds. Order anything you like, the guy behind you will pay for it.

  • 111. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    I believe he gave Romney a D grade on Foreign Policy

    I said at the outset my grades for Romney were projections. Again …..READ.

    Romney comes out of the gate talking smack about China and Russia and then goes overseas and insults the UK and now it is revealed, thinks that the Israeli Palestinian peace process is a futile exercise. So yeah … I gave him a projected D.

  • 112. James  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    I agree with thor’s comments in 100. We are now reaping the harvest we planted by helping revolutionaries remove the despots they did. We should have through threats and bribery forced them to liberalize a bit or to give the impression of change by letting others replace them.

    Mutually assured destruction keeps the peace until someone makes a mistake.

    Rutherford asked who decides who is worthy of nuclear weapons. We decide because our interests are more important than theirs. My comment sounds jingoistic and it is.

    Thanks, thor, I hope it is true for both of us.

  • 113. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Newt is Sensico. I know it for a fact. If you had the history from a couple of years back, it would confirm.

    I know you trust Tex, Noah because you two are in a lovely Obama hate dance with each other. But trust ME … I am the blogger … not Tex. I have read every comment ever posted by Sensico and Newt. Unless Sensico has multiple personality disorder, the writing styles are totally different. For that reason alone they are not the same person.

    Tex, unless you think you’re being humorous, get off this … it’s becoming irritating and quite frankly making you look like a lunatic who needs to get back on his meds.

    P.S. Oh sorry … I’m wrong … Newt, Sensico AND Fakename2 are the same person … oh and Raji too except when she talks like a moderate, then suddenly she inhabits a different body.

  • 114. Raji  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    “Raji, I don’t know why you bother”

    Damn Lucy and that football!

  • 115. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    The previous thread was very long and I should have held my water.

    You don’t hold water very well. Get your prostate checked.

    I responded to your dumb Manson analysis in the last thread. See? I don’t ignore all your comments. :neutral:

  • 116. James  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Rutherford, Newt must have missed the nail and hit YOUR head. Today the mythical rabbit is chasing the promise of a carrot Obama has already eaten.

    I give Romney a C, not for being wrong but for being too outspoken for diplomatic reasons. He basically spoke the truth which is more than Obama did last week.

  • 117. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    Just in case you’re wrong and Romney not toast, you going to be okay November 7th?

    I haven’t said Romney’s toast although I think the Boca Raton bootleg tapes sure don’t help him much.

    If Obama loses on 11/7 I will be very disappointed because it will represent for me an America choosing a very cold dispassionate course to solve its problems. It will also embolden those who hated Obama simply because he was Obama. But I will live. So will the nation. If America forces my hand, I’ll just have to hope that what we really needed was a business turnaround guy.

  • 118. muffy  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    “Muffy I get your point … but isn’t that exactly the way many people feel including some on this very board?”

    Perhaps. And you call them Islamaphobes.

    Would you bother to try and understand them? Or would you leap at the chance to condemn them straightaway and then turn around and do the same (generalize disparagingly) re: Christianity.

    An honest discussion on root causes would be refreshing.

    ~~~

    PS…the shootings stats were for Chicago, yes. I left the word “side” out of “the South and West sides.” (Seems I’m always between tasks of late).

    Yes I think it was just this past weekend – double digit victims of gunshot wounds and miltiple deaths on Friday night in several neighborhoods on the South and West sides.

    40 wounded and 11 dead (I just confirmed that) in Chicago proper over the Memorial Day weekend.

    I hear gunshots on a monthy basis myself and my neighborhood is considered safe (West Loop).

    ~~~

    PPS…Rutherford I don’t regularly distinguish when I’m talking to you, Rutherford – and when I’m talking to you, your party. I hope that’s not a problem.

  • 119. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    I said at the outset my grades for Romney were projections. Projections by most competent measures, are based on past track record. What implemented choices that failed did you base this on? OR were they imaginary scenarios.

    Almost done with the compilation, bit to gather and rehash.

  • 120. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Look R, let’s drop the pretense of my tacit attempt at proselytizing, which really isn’t proselytizing as much as a defense of the faith.

    Because you didn’t answer the question, ‘R’. You charge inconsistencies in your post from four (4) very specific books listed at BICs. You posted that as fact, then when challenged you went silence. I asked where. You never did.

    I also corrected your Old Testament charges and Pfessers too. That went unnoticed and unacknowledged. I simply understand the language of the culture it was written better than you and the intent of the message – not because I am smarter than you or Pfesser, but because I put more effort into studying for this particular quiz. Can’t pass the test without studying first.

    You choose a path without knowing which way the path led because at first glance, your chosen path the easiest and least restrictive, lending almost total freedom. And for a time, it is.

    But you hit the hill and you’re unprepared for the climb. So you stand on the path and look up, pretending the hill doesn’t exist or somehow you’ll improvise and walk around it. But you can’t. Just like life. Just like death.

    I’m sure the Bible sounds like some Lord of the Rings saga to you,without the entertaining aspect. I am sure in the quiet thought of your mind, I’m more loon like Poolman, than wise agent like Pfesser. I’m not as confused about your confusion as you might think. I’m not as cynical of Pfesser as he might think. I once was in your shoes, but without the malicious intent and closed mind.

    I understand some of the Bible allegory and metaphor. Doesn’t change the message, doesn’t change the content, and most certainly doesn’t make it the least bit inconsistent. In fact, the Bible is unworldly consistent, supernaturally consistent – the same message resonates throughout 66 books, three languages, 40 authors, 1,500 years. You see a talking snake – I see a woman with seed and a foreshadowing of things to come centuries into the future. Same chapter, same book. Allegory? Probably. Don’t know for sure. But the foreshadowing of the message was later proven true thousands of years later.
    It is, like God is I AM.

    And it’s also the confusion of you not understanding Christians don’t live under the priesthood of Levites, but the priesthood of Melchizedek. The jump from Old to New is both abstract and abrupt without some perspective. It would appear Christians don’t practice what is preached – a kosher diet for instance.

    The message of Allah is impersonal and conquer. The message of God is personal and grace – the conquering is complete. The two philosophies are diametrically opposed. You don’t understand the difference. You can’t. Confusing, hey?

    Then take the time to learn before making false statements, or simply leave well enough alone. When I say the Old Testament is infallible, it is. But it is also incomplete.

  • 121. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Rutherford, the reason I have no admiration for you anymore, other than your fighting the bad fight and the allowance of personal bearing the brunt for your ignorance on your own feckless blog, is you are intellectually dishonest on a good day, a hack on a bad one, and have the depth of a birdbath every minute.

    Not only that, but your mood swings from resigned to vicious little snit within minutes, so I have a dickens of a time measuring your mood.

    I responded to your dumb Manson analysis in the last thread. See? I don’t ignore all your comments. :neutral:

    No, you completely missed the message. You raved on about how I called you a Manson member, and that is certainly not what was said. It’s like you speed read, see one word, and comment.

    ———-

    P.S. – I’m not Charlie. I’m Linus. She followed me around like a bad penny for the longest time – usually 3rd party. Like me, she apparently has a lot of free time on her hands.

    ———–

    And yes, I have complete proof that you still have not followed that Densi is indeed Newt. But I didn’t need the physical proof which I will be happy to mail you. The fact that, well frankly you’re completely mindless and stupid about most subjects, and the fact that the grotesque dummy just happened to show up at the same time the charges made, still eludes you too.

    I’ve never met a man so utterly blind and and believing he has such an eagle eye for detail as you.

    Feeling very vulnerable about Obama, aren’t we? :grin:

  • 122. muffy  |  September 20, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    “I think she will be on Rock Center tonight debating Bill Maher. That oughta be fun …. watching the most obnoxious representatives from either side of the political spectrum face off.”

    I saw this very face-off Live in Chicago around 2008 or ’09. She kicked his ass. Even the vibe in the crowd (98% liberal) supported that conclusion.

  • 123. PFesser  |  September 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Rutherford –
    So the young illegals were “kidnapped” by their parents, huh? Well I have to credit your novel thought processes, anyway. Of course, kids are subject to their parents’ wishes everywhere, aren’t they? We could ask the mouthpieces here, but I don’t think that would fly in ANY court on the planet.

    For the record, following Brandeis’ “It is sometimes more important that a thing be settled than it be settled RIGHT,” I don’t see any practical way of sending illegals home. A good compromise is that they ‘fess up within a year’s time, get on some penitent path and become citizens. Anybody who hangs back is deported. Period, end. It’s just how it is. I actually like that idea, since it pisses everybody off on both sides a little – the litmus test for a Good Idea.

    The asses we should be whoop’in are the bastards in our govt who left the door open at the border. (I’m still waiting for their call; I have a patented fence idea.)

  • 124. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Alrighty to help our aging Comrade, a summery.

    1. Economic policy
    2. Foreign policy
    3. On how his policies resemble his promises.
    4. As a Leader
    5. Holding true to the Constitution of the United States of America.
    6. Job Creation
    7. Debt Reduction
    8. Infrastructure
    9. Achievements (bills passed, budgets..ect.)
    10. Not a pass or fail but has the nation thrived or suffered under his administration overall?

    Thor’s answer sheet was as follows.
    1.S 2.S 3.F 4.S 5.S 6.S 7.F 8.S 9.S 10.transitioning from suffering to thriving.
    At least he was able to admit a couple of failures and that people have been mostly suffering.

    Rutherford’s answer sheet was a grade system, I assume he lacked the courage for an absolute answer and needed the wiggle room to allow him to alter what he really meant to say based on responses.

    1. Economic policy C+

    Rebuttal: http://blog.heritage.org/2012/09/18/index-of-dependence-on-government-jumps-for-the-fourth-year-in-a-row/

    Also considering middle class being worth over $4000 less than when he took office? Failure to condemn QE3 for its obvious devastating effects on the poor and middle class. Don’t you think your grade on the jobs and the economy are quite high?

    2. Foreign policy B

    Rebuttal: On foreign policy, considering all that is going on now in the middle east, our embassy’s under attack, his almost to the letter following of Bush policies taking into consideration of your opinion on Bush this grade seems very high?

    3. On how his policies resemble his promises. C

    Rebuttal: How do you justify his grade on policy vs promise with more than 80 confirmed broken campaign promises?

    4. As a Leader B- See 9.

    5. Holding true to the Constitution of the United States of America. A-

    Rebuttal: How do you justify your grade of A- on following the constitution with 3 oversteps of executive authority?

    6. Job Creation C- (but of course gov’t doesn’t create jobs, right?)

    Rebuttal: When taking into account the government dependance chart above, with job participation less than in 2009, when taking into account the number of jobs made minus jobs lost, c- seems a tad generous.

    7. Debt Reduction F

    8. Infrastructure C-

    Rebuttal: Infrastructure seems to me should be a D to D- considering the lackluster performance of shovel ready jobs don’t you think?

    9. Achievements (bills passed, budgets..ect.) B (too generic a category)

    Rebuttal: On items like achievements like a budget (yes we know you didn’t like this category) how do you justify a B grade with no budget passes, 2 getting zero votes? This speaks to his leadership I would think as well getting zero votes twice wouldn’t you?

    10. Not a pass or fail but has the nation thrived or suffered under his administration overall? Neither … it is treading water, not drowning.

    So over 8% unemployment during Obama’s administration, stagnating growth, hundreds of thousands or more homes still on the chopping block for foreclosure, is treading water? Me thinks people are suffering tremendously. Why don’t you?

    Now I assume you have given this considerable though before posting the grade so it should be no problem at all for you to justify your belief in these grades when measured against my rebuttal. I think I have some valid points worth addressing, especially this close to an election. Surely you have more than enough mental ammo to justify to anyone who reads this blog why they should take your side and cast an Obama vote?

    Now keep in mind this is a pure assessment of Obama’s performance. It would have been easy to compare Obama’s jobs numbers to other Presidents for example.

  • 125. PFesser  |  September 20, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Just finishing up my KY licensing requirements, which include a 3.5 hr AIDS/HIV course. Some interesting stats I thought I’d share from the course:

    U.S. HIV+rate: 5X Germany, 3X Netherlands, 1.5X France
    Teen preg rate: 5X Germany, 4X France, 9X Netherlands
    Teen birth rate: 4X Germany, 5X France, 11X Netherlands
    Teen Abortion rate: 8X Germany, 3X France, 7X Netherlands
    Teen Gonorrhea rate: 66X Germany, 74X France, 74X N’lands

    New HIV+ rate for blacks: 1/2 all new U.S. cases. Blacks make up 12% of the US pop.

    Yep, all that abstinence is a great thing. Just keep’m ignorant about sex and they won’t screw.

  • 126. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Rutherford, Newt must have missed the nail and hit YOUR head. Today the mythical rabbit is chasing the promise of a carrot Obama has already eaten.

    LOL that gave me a chuckle. James, while I will give Mitt points for honesty, he was wrong in so many ways. There is no getting around the fact that the 47% includes more people than Romney intended so he’s dumb on that regard. Second there is no getting around the fact that, as a politician, you NEVER tell any constituency “I’m not expecting your vote so I’m not going to even try to get it”. That is political malpractice.

  • 127. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Did I attack newt or Emily first, or did they attack me? I will not be an apologist like you. They chose their path, I responded in kind.

    You didn’t respond in kind and you know it. Emily, for instance, NEVER used profanity in dealing with you. She was polite to a fault.

    Please Noah, save your breath with the “compilation” unless it simply saves you from utter boredom. This blog is not about a never ending ping pong match where I answer and you come up with more questions.

  • 128. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Thor, as usual you bring clarity and wisdom to the blog. Many thanks.

  • 129. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    Why do you need them to admit to it? What is changed by this admission?

    It seems underhanded to me for a country to have nukes and be coy about it when the other super powers who have them are not only open about them but if I’m not mistaken have those nukes enumerated. Seems to me Israel sees itself above the law in this regard. Don’t ask me what law. I’m just telling you it seems underhanded to me.

    I thought we had a problem with nations having weapons of mass destruction. Didn’t we fight a bogus war over that very notion?

  • 130. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    You didn’t respond in kind and you know it. Emily, for instance, NEVER used profanity in dealing with you. She was polite to a fault.

    I am sorry I was forgetting myself for a moment who I was responded too, I should have been a little more simple in my explanation. She chose out of the gate to attack, so I attacked in my way.

  • 131. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    129
    If we took your advice, and threatened every nation who opposed us for any infraction with nuclear destruction, I would say there would be a problem, but fact is Israel does not do that, despite begin attacked over and over again by the people you defend.

    So why is it underhanded? What do they have to gain by playing bully as you suggest and flaunt their nuclear capability?

  • 132. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    p.s. to131 on the topic of being underhanded. You didn’t seem to have a problem with your Messiah underestimating the cost of Obamacare by 3 fold. Or his raising taxes on 6 million middle-class families by over $1200 a year when he promised he wouldn’t do it. Now THAT is underhanded.

  • 133. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    But I didn’t need the physical proof which I will be happy to mail you.

    PLEASE do!!! I shall keep the “evidence” to myself but otherwise gladly confess on this board that I was wrong if you produce it. But Tex, it better be good because this sounds like sheer lunacy.

    BTW you boys have been comparing Newt to Sensico long before Sensico showed up.

    P.S. If I can carve out a couple of minutes I’ll waste my time doing some Google research since no “evidence” you could have found, Tex, couldn’t be found with a good Google search.

    Damn if there is one thing I hate it’s a mind-f*ck. I can picture you now laughing your ass off leading me down this rabbit hole.

  • 134. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    I saw this very face-off Live in Chicago around 2008 or ’09. She kicked his ass. Even the vibe in the crowd (98% liberal) supported that conclusion.

    Wish I coulda been there. I don’t deny she is good. Domineering, confident, sarcastic, intimidating. Unless you just haul off and sock her in the jaw, it’s hard to have a satisfying argument with her.

  • 135. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    I’m still waiting for their call; I have a patented fence idea.)

    You and Herman Cain. :-)

  • 136. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Wow and to think I got no credit from Noah for giving Obama an F on debt reduction. :shock:

  • 137. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    I should have been a little more simple accurate in my explanation

    IFIFY

  • 138. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Yep, all that abstinence is a great thing. Just keep’m ignorant about sex and they won’t screw.

    It would appear to me that the problem isn’t abstinence, as that doesn’t appear to be in practice. Last I looked, abstinence was pretty fool proof in preventing pregnancy and STD. And abstinence certainly isn’t the message in NYC, SF and LA where the incidence of AIDS highest.

    What it does appear to me is that Rome has taught our children well they have no control of their urges and are animals without constraint. What has failed MO is that really outstanding message of Magic Johnson, “Gotts to putz on that raincoat.”

    We also have a far higher frequency of intravenous drug use than Europe too. Does that mean we shouldn’t teach abstinence, because apparently it isn’t working either?

    That and the fact those countries listed as far more homogenous – like more white. What happens when minorities are taken out the equation? I think you would find the results not nearly as skewed.

    It’s kind of like comparing those “low” SAT test scores of red states without taking into consideration the demographic. When done, the red states invariably the victors.

  • 139. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    There is a difference between flaunting and being honest. They have the bomb. Why can’t they say they have it? What is to be gained by the subterfuge? Perhaps the UN might request they submit to inspections?

  • 140. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Deliberate underestimation is underhanded. Accidental underestimation is at the very worst, incompetent or depending on the data at hand at the time, unavoidable.

  • 141. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    No Rabbit hole, Rutherford. Search away.

    And after you’ve convinced yourself you’re right and I am wrong, I will mail the results with a screen print capture for effect at the most inappropriate time just to smite you. :smile: I would have done so voluntarily, until you called me a liar. Now there’s a price you will pay for your ignorance – time and effort.

    But you really don’t need to do that. All you have to do is watch your map. I shouldn’t have tipped Dumbo in tights about a proxy server, because Densi’s location just happens to pop up identically with the Newton post each and every time. I know, I tracked it for a short period. I guess there’s an outside chance they could live in the same location, but the odds against it.

    However, the fact that Sensico just happened to show up and create a post on an abandoned blog coincidentally within 24 hours of me making these charges is all you really need to know.

    Like I said. Intuition with evidence isn’t your strongest suit. :grin:

  • 142. PFesser  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    “There is a difference between flaunting and being honest. They have the bomb. Why can’t they say they have it? ”

    Because every bit of information you withhold is power. People are afraid of the unknown. If the Arabs KNOW Israel has the Bomb, then they can make an issue of it and make the argument about “Israel’s bomb.”

    Now all they can do is dream about it. Not good dreams either. A pretty good way to keep them off-balance. Fair? Yep. Remember, they want to annihilate Israel, not the other way around. Not too fun sticking your hand in a hole that MIGHT have a rattlesnake in it … or might not.

    BTW, being a little pedantic here, it’s flout, not flaunt. You flaunt your tits, you flout authority.

  • 143. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Wow and to think I got no credit from Noah for giving Obama an F on debt reduction. :shock:

    I gave it to thor and since you gave the same grade as he I thought you could figure that out on your own.

    Happy to bring up the compilation till we close the conversation.

    Deliberate underestimation is underhanded. Accidental underestimation is at the very worst, incompetent or depending on the data at hand at the time, unavoidable.

    So which is it of all these imaginings? Keeping in mind HOW he passed the bill and how hard he pushed it asking for votes without having read it.

  • 144. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Thor,

    I think the key to our future interactions with Islamic countries is to engage the moderates and marginalize the radicals.

    It would be a good suggestion and in sounds good in theory, except the reality is that path gave us a democratically elected Hamas. It gave us the Muslim Brotherhood. It gave us Beirut, Lebanon. It gave us the Taliban and the Mujahadeen. It gave us Ayatollah Khomeini and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for over 30 years. And it gave us a dead ambassador and three subordinates recently.

    That’s the history.

    For whatever reason, whether there aren’t nearly as many moderate Muslims as the Left would like us to believe and I suspect, or that the radical faction though minority simply too powerful to overcome, the West is left with a choice – neither of which are very good.

    You can hope to marginalize “the radicals” and assist in a Democracy of some sort which has invariably led to chants of Death to America shortly thereafter. Or you can leave brutal despots in control like Hussein and Assad to control the animals but breed more hatred against the West.

    Currently, over half the Muslim predominate countries are now demonstrating in the streets. I think it fair to say that Obama’s foreign policy of appeasement and dialogue has been a disaster, and his pie in the sky theory of sanctions a joke. All sanctions do is further squeeze the “moderates” strengthen the despots hand, and add fuel to the idea of Western fault.

    What I have never understood about the Left, and I suspect the underlying reason is the undercurrent of the Left’s hatred of Judeo-Christianity and the fact it negates the narrative of all religions the same, is why they simply can’t admit the most glaring and obvious truth.

    Islamic countries is they are based upon a corrupt and evil religion called Islam.

  • 145. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    BTW, being a little pedantic here, it’s flout, not flaunt. You flaunt your tits, you flout authority.

    :lol: I’m afraid I’d have to flout my tits, as they’re not much to look at.

  • 146. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    :oops: is/are there in 144

  • 147. Newt or no newt  |  September 20, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    My husband just told me, the Republicans blocked the Farm Bill yesterday. That’s a real low blow considering the drought.

  • 148. El Tigre  |  September 20, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Tex, how about the inability to use commas properly?

  • 149. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Tigre,

    I don’t you would have wanted Rutherford sitting in the jury, lest you were Johnny Cochran. :twisted:

    Then he would have been perfect.

  • 150. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    11-06-2012: “National Chick-fil-A-The-Kenyan Day”
    :lol: Just saw that… :lol:

    Sorry Rutherford! I’m not the birther – just thought it funny.

    ————–

    Let’s get to the debates and end this nonsense. I want to see Obama stand on a national stage sans note and teleprompter and defend this miserable record of his own doing. Obama is a sitting duck that deserves to be shot “00” buck.

    I already know the soundbites. Bush Did It!, 4.2 million jobs created in the private sector, 28 months of job growth, GM a roaring success, Osama dead blah blah blah…

    If I can blow that duck out of the water, then surely a professional and polished speaker can do so.

    If not, we deserve Obama and let him lead the country into the flames.

  • 151. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Pfesser, got a jet engine question.

    The last few nights, several F16s have cruised over my house about 10:00 PM. They’re about 10 miles out from landing, heading straight toward the runway, and don’t appear to be moving much faster than stall speed – faster than a commercial aircraft but certainly not like a fighter takes off.

    At about this point, each of them made a very loud roaring noise, or maybe a very loud whoosh – much louder than simply cruising.

    Do you know what causes that noise? At night, I don’t see any flash like killing an afterburner. Do fighters ever engage partial reverse thrust in flight?

    That may be an incredibly stupid question, but I would be curious what makes the enormous whooshing sound.

    I can’t find anybody to explain it.

    My wife caught a picture of the space shuttle being transported this morning from her office. Damn thing looks like it is not 500 ft. away from her window when she took.

    She was breathless with excitement when she called – I thought one of the kids had gotten hurt when she asked, “You’re not going to believe what just happened!”

    Said she ran down the hall from her office screaming, “Everybody look out your window!!!!!!” Probably scared the entire office to death. I swear, she’s a kid at heart.

  • 152. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    What happens when minorities are taken out the equation?

    Here we go again. White folks control their sex drive better than minorities. Ever watch Dr. Phil?

  • 153. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Tex you’re really basing this on geography? I thought back in the day Rabbit and Sensico were from the same general vicinity … God knows they’re not the same. Sheesh.

  • 154. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Here we go again. White folks control their sex drive better than minorities. Ever watch Dr. Phil?

    No, I can’t say Dr. Phil is on my regularly scheduled programming. In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever seen it once. I consider that on par with watching Chaz Maddow on MSNBC – buffoonish and marketed to the weak minded and gullible. Bet Poolman watches it every day.

    I don’t know if whites control their urges better, but if abortion statistics are any indicator, whites damn sure understand the idea of planned pregnancy better.

    In the United States, the abortion rate for black women is almost five times that for white women. For Hispanics, twice the frequency of white women. And that from the Guttmacher Policy Review, courtesy Planned Parenthood, Summer 2008, Volume 11, Number 3

    http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/gpr/11/3/gpr110302.html

    Like the 47% of people not paying federal income tax, I’m terribly sorry if the truth offends.

    You never apologized to me for being wrong about the military either in this thread. :wink: Matter of fact, you’ve been wrong numerous times lately in accusation and never apologized. Even your girlfriend Raji was taken back for your ginormous idiocy – AIG & Lehman?

    Tsk tsk…See, I’m not nearly as nasty as you make me out to be. :grin:

  • 155. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    Tex you’re really basing this on geography? I thought back in the day Rabbit and Sensico were from the same general vicinity … God knows they’re not the same. Sheesh.

    Oh no. I have something much better – physical proof. I was just pointing out that physical proof not really required. Evidentiary, bad habit, repetitious stupidity, and coincidence should have been your first clues.

    I suspected this a couple of weeks back. It’s hard to hide the bush of inane.

  • 156. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    OK Tex, send your “evidence”. A google on “Newt or no Newt” yields lots of links on Newt Gingrich. A reasonably thorough search of Sensico’s blog yields nothing. Sensico’s Facebook page also has very little by way of information.

    And now a nugget you CAN’T know because I’m the blogger and you’re not. Sensico and Newt post their comments from different IP addresses. Could she be using one name on one computer and another name on another? Sure … but I still doubt it.

    Your turn.

    BTW, I didn’t call you a liar …. you have a real obsession with being called a liar, I guess it must have happened a lot in your childhood. I said you were either joshing me or that you’re CRAZY.

  • 157. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Not yet – you’re going to have to dig a little deeper. I like dragging this out to prove a point – but not about you. I have my reasons.

    I’ll give you a hint. Start with Twitter… :smile:

    Are the two different IP addresses from the same basic local? Because I can do that this minute from my own computer. Takes as long as to reboot my computer. Want me to do it?

    How do you think I’m always bypassing my banishment from Fat Grannies? And besides that, many services provide dynamic IP assignment. Are the IP addresses always the same?

    If I’m wrong, I will certainly apologize, but I’m 99.9% sure. I would have thought yesterday’s sequence of events would have proved it even to you without the technicalities.

    Take me about as fast as I can reboot my computer to assign a new IP address.

    In fact, I would be curious what IP address you see with me. You can do me a favor – I’d like to test that just for curiosity, since I’ve had some work done on my own network recently, after having a dispute with my cable provider.

  • 158. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    I guess it must have happened a lot in your childhood.

    Sorry, I missed that. That was actually funny.

  • 159. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Tex I’m starting to catch up with this dumb sensico=newt thing. I missed a couple of comments and apparently SO DID YOU.

    [The recent comments box at the Sensico blog say otherwise. The moron has a box just like Chen's to tell where she has commented. Look for yourself. She never turned it off, even after creating a whole new blog called Sensicology or some other asinine name]

    [ Tex, my comment box does not tell people where I commented it shows the latest comments on my blog. As of now, it shows R's blog on my comments because we get pingbacks everytime he used the 'wordpress political blog']

    She’s right Tex. The comments you’re looking at are not where SHE comments. It’s comments posted to her blog. In this case the comment is a pingback of my posts to her alliance page http://sensico.wordpress.com/alliance/#comment-8802. It is similar to my alliance page http://rutherfordl.wordpress.com/wp-political-blogger-alliance/

    When Chen set up the alliance, he encouraged all of us to set up alliance pages where all of our posts could be found. It is the reason I post that heavily hyperlinked “WordPress Political Bloggers Alliance” tag at the end of every post. It creates an automatic pingback to every blog linked in the tag (one blog per letter).

    You are right that Chen used to have a box tracking his comments elsewhere … Sensico does not.

    I don’t want to further humiliate you in public. Should I stop here or address other silliness to your private email?

    P.S. Newt says “James, the bore? ” …. Eh Tex, Sensico was long gone when James first arrived here. She’s never called him a bore. You have too much time on your hands dude …. and a small case of paranoia. :neutral:

  • 160. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Are the two different IP addresses from the same basic local?

    As far as I can tell they are not … one appears to be a corporate IP. Could one post from work and the other from home? Sure. See comment above … you’re going down the wrong rabbit hole.

    P.S. I’ll check Twitter after dinner.

  • 161. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    You humiliate Moi? That’s rich. You still haven’t apologized for being wrong at least five times wrong in this thread alone, except the first comment after scolding my reading comprehension, then having an oops moment. I’m letting you off easy.

    I’ve humiliated your idiocy so many times, people don’t even notice anymore. And it doesn’t even give me a thrill.

    You didn’t understand any of that last post, did you? Paranoid? How the hell would I be paranoid? :lol: This is no skin off my ass even if I’m completely wrong.

    You really are more Densico than I first thought. That is not my proof, and you didn’t answer my question about IP addresses and locales.

    I don’t know why you are desperately trying to cover for this ignorant ditz, but it doesn’t matter. I’ll dump the proof at the most inopportune time of my choosing, if I think it will add to your distress.

    You didn’t even know how to limit the Newt or No Newt to a search. Try double quotes next time. :roll: You should find Newt or No Newt is pretty much limited to the Rutherford Lawson thread. I thought you were a little more technically adept at this? It’s been 10 years since I was involved.

    P.S. Newt says “James, the bore? ” …. Eh Tex, Sensico was long gone when James first arrived here. She’s never called him a bore. You have too much time on your hands dude …. and a small case of paranoia. :neutral:

    {Holds hands in palms}. That’s not what I’m saying, bozo. I’m saying that comment is almost verbatim what she said to me however many years ago. That’s what tipped me off to who it was initially. The cream the pants to Muffy comment was a glaring red repeatable flag.

  • 162. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    I don’t want to further humiliate you in public. Should I stop here or address other silliness to your private email?

    P.S. Newt says “James, the bore? ” …. Eh Tex, Sensico was long gone when James first arrived here. She’s never called him a bore.

    828. Newt or no newt | September 15, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    “All I am saying is,” if daddy is a wing nut, smart people don’t rock the boat. Especially if there is an inheritance involved. Your personal story proves nothing, and is quite frankly boring. Please realize everyone has their own experiences and their experiences are more valid to them than listening to yours. Save them for your grandchildren, they should have to suffer, not us.

    I believe Newt did. Does boring count? You can apologize profusely later, unless you meant that as statement and not a question.

    707. Newt or no newt | September 14, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Oct 11 can’t come fast enough for me, will the winking at the camera strategy work for Paul Ryan? Muffy is likely to cream her pants, but anyone else? I doubt it.

    How many women do you remember using cream her pants here, Brother?

    I’ll give you a hint. One. This ugly, fat, purple 340lbs hunk of quivering jelly ziplocked into a pair of fishnet hose.

    Bleach for the eyes…

    That’s not something one forgets when it comes out of the mouth of a woman. Why don’t you do a SQL statement on cream her pants from about 2009-2011 and see how many hits you get? :grin:

  • 163. Alfie  |  September 20, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    Question for the lefties….
    How is Romneys statements re the 47% and VA Senate candidate Kaines statements about being open to a min. tax for ALL citizens so different?
    On the irony side I find it weird that the GOP candidate Allen is likely to pounce on the tax issue.
    Just politics?

  • 164. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    To amuse myself today while the wife and mother-in-law were in the fabric store, I had printed a bunch of quarter page flyers and put them under the windshield wipers of cars in the parking lot that had I support Obama stickers. The note read….

    Hi Friend,
    I just wanted to let you know that some knucklehead vandalized your car by slapping an Obama sticker on it. The last thing you want is to be driving around all day looking like an idiot.

    Take Care
    God Samaritan

    I then got back in my car and watch as the people came out one by one and the pissed off faces as they tore the note up looking around for who put it on their windshield. Best laugh I’ve had in a long while.

  • 165. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    God=Good

  • 166. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    photo/1

    Ahhhh….

  • 167. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Tex you quote Newt without giving equivalent quotes from Sensico … you’ve proven nothing. Boring, bore, etc …. common words from the dictionary used by millions of people.

    Tex stop embarrassing yourself. You were wrong about the comments box cos you went off half cocked. You’ll send me that evidence at an “inopportune” time that will never happen. You’re like f*cking Donald Trump. Why don’t you just say you have your investigators on it? :lol: :lol: Send it now … put up or shut up.

    I didn’t answer the IP address question definitively because I can’t. I know what state Sensico is commenting from. I don’t know about Newt. Further research revealed I was wrong about the corporate address. Both ip addresses are linked to Internet providers (different ones).

    As for her Twitter account, you can see (as she said in her own comment here) that Sensico moved from Michigan. She didn’t say where she moved to, but I do know.

    I’ve found a Sensico presence at that sight called Democratic Underground. This from Rabbit.

    C’mon DR join in the fun …. what “presence” did you find? Please provide a link.

    At first I was pissed off but now I’m starting to enjoy this … the great Sensico = Newt mystery!!! I feel like friggin’ Columbo. :-)

  • 168. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    To add to my foreign policy question and your grade, also take in mind the current protests against the United States in Afghanistan, Australia, Bangladesh, Egypt, Pakistan, Kashmir, Libya, Iran, the Palestinians, Tusnia, Yemen, and Sudan, & the burning of American flag and businesses.

  • 169. muffy  |  September 20, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    I can’t conceive of a passing grade in FP for the OJarrett administration OR Hillary Clinton.

    Completely cockeyed.

    They’re either deaf, dumb, and blind or lying their pants (and pantsuits) off.

  • 170. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    This is actually getting amusing. Pull my last post out of moderation. The pictorial demonstrates so well Obama’s regime.

    You’re not even seeing how unhinged your own logic has become. Let me make this simple as I can make it. You’re losing it. Calm down and breathe slowly as you read this.

    Rutherford: Newt says “James, the bore?” (QUESTION)
    Newt: Your personal story proves nothing, and is quite frankly boring. (ANSWER TO JAMES)

    Once again, for the fourth time, I didn’t say Sensico called James boring. She called me boring with the same pejorative months ago.

    I’m pointing to the pattern. Tigre is doing the same. I said Twitter.

    —————

    Do you realize that you’ve spent half of this entire blog trying to prove me wrong about something completely irrelevant, and yet virtually every post, you don’t answer a relevant question that is specific to your own your blog posts? You’re really insecure, aren’t you? I’ve really buckled your little lame knees, haven’t I? I didn’t realize how wounded you were until a few weeks back. You’re taking this Obama stuff like he’s your daddy. Good. I may polish you off before the big win.

    Buddy, it’s not me that’s a joke.

    You’re so vested in trying to prove me wrong, that you’re not even recognizing several of us are playing you every day for a dumb fool on your own blog. Pfesser is right – it is a form of abuse, but you’re such a partisan hack, I can’t help myself. You’re so spent over the abuse, you’re grasping for straws to find anything to strike back.

    And that denial about James above proves you’re not even honest, or your comprehension so moot, it won’t matter what I prove to you.

    But I’ll play this game.

    I told you Twitter – not the comments box. I understand pinging well enough – I can open two tabs with a split screen and a clock and watch what happens. And with two screens split, it was pretty easy to see when Jelly’s blog was pinged.

    So you don’t know what state DensiHO is from? Well, I do. How come you can’t figure that out Columbo?

  • 171. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Rabbit,

    Do me a favor so I can end this ridiculous argument. When you arrive, look at Rutherford’s Live Traffic Feed for me.

    And if you don’t mind and don’t have a problem, tell me what city your provider as listed.

  • 172. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Same with you, if you don’t mind Noah.

  • 173. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Tex Rabbit posts from Michigan. We already know that. Sensico used to. She doesn’t now. I KNOW where she’s posting from. It’s Newt’s location I haven’t figured out yet but I have a hunch how to do it.

    You ask why I’m obsessing on this? Because people who post BS either through ignorance or malice need to be corrected. Up until today I haven’t really pursued it but I’ve grown tired of being accused of being part of some conspiracy. And when you are proven wrong on this you will be very nasty cos you’ve bet all your “research skills” on it in public and you hate looking the fool.

    I’ve checked my email. I don’t see the smoking gun evidence yet. Still waiting.

  • 174. Rutherford  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    Noah and Rabbit both post from Michigan. Proves nothing about Sensico whose latest posts did not come from Michigan. Where are you headed with this?

  • 175. PFesser  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Jesus Christ who gives a rat’s ass about who is posting as who? Can we get some adult conversation here?

  • 176. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    I didn’t ask for the state. I asked for the specific location where Noah and Rabbit reside. They need to help me confirm something.

    Is there any privacy problem with Facebook pages being passed across the net with personal information?

    Because I don’t think Sensico is going to appreciate much of this to going public. That’s where it is headed.

    Just remember who made demand, asshole.

  • 177. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    It is pathetic, Pfesser. I apologize to the room.

    I didn’t think it was that big a deal. But apparently Rutherford believes it is.

    I’m not sure what this is going to buy me when it is done, besides I told you so…

  • 178. Alfie  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    PF how you like the VA Senate race?
    Grades for Obama

    1. Economic policy C-
    2. Foreign policy F
    3. On how his policies resemble his promises. D+
    4. As a Leader F
    5. Holding true to the Constitution of the United States of America.C
    6. Job Creation W
    7. Debt Reduction F
    8. Infrastructure D+
    9. Achievements (bills passed, budgets..ect.) C
    10. Not a pass or fail but has the nation thrived or suffered under his administration overall?neither

  • 179. Alfie  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    p.s. there are obvious caveats and reasonings in my grades. Call it the Alfie Curve with a leaning towards item analysis

  • 180. Noah  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Tex Spring Lake

  • 181. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Thanks, Noah. Got it. Sorry you had to share that.

  • 182. muffy  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Those are a set of marks I can understand, Alfie. I assume W means Withdrew. What’s the caveat/analysis on #10?

    ~

    “Can we get some adult conversation here?”

    You mean grown or XXX?

    Try #163 on for size – it’s a VA thing.

    ~

    Tex, just ignore him. All anyone had to say was “nope, not the case.” Instead we got bupkis and now you’re the one that must be corrected. Feh.

  • 183. muffy  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    (Oh, I didn’t see your #178 – redirecting PF to the VA race, Alfie).

  • 184. muffy  |  September 20, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    I got one. What makes someone a birther? Is making a joke about the birther controversy enough?

  • 185. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Trust me, Muffy.

    The comment directed to you was the final clue I needed. That’s not normal conversation from one female to another. And it’s certainly not conversation from an adult female with “executive” husband. I’ve only heard it once before, short of a porn video or something. And then the light bulb came on.

    Hell, I don’t care what Sensico uses sock puppet. It’s irrelevant. I was making fun of her. At best I’m mistaken – it’s not like I’m lying purposely.

    The conversation day before yesterday was damning enough for evidence when she showed up. Having drinks with you girls? Good grief, Rutherford is naive.

    But more than that, Rutherford can’t put two and two together. The charged just happens to have miraculously showed up about the same time I said who it was, this time in character. The light bulb still didn’t come on.

    Then Tigre sees the same thing – the grammatical mistakes not common.

    Then a post appears on an abandoned blog. Nope, no light.

    Still denial. So I grabbed a screen print. Whoops…

    I use the wrong terminology when I should have used “pinged”, and all of the sudden it becomes a conspiracy.

    ————-

    Here’s the deal. I got what I think is pretty definitive proof. But I could care less, no more than just gigging the dumb broad.

    The problem I’ve got is some of this information is somewhat personal, replete with pictures. And I’m not real cool with passing that in an email to a man I know longer trust, who just happens to know my real name. Yes, I was that stupid to share a few things once upon a time. I learned my lesson not to do that again, and will simply change my ID to gmail or something from here on out.

    I wasn’t paranoid – I was too trusting. Unfortunately, in this case, a little too late.

    I never thought I would be going to war with this man. But it is obvious that he’s not doing well for whatever reason. I’ve noticed over the last few months he’s becoming more detached, more unhinged, and way, way more angry. The insults went from generic to personal some weeks back. So I reciprocated because frankly I’m bulletproof with respect to the insulter. Oops.

    I guess my psychoanalyzing was more than he could take.. And undoubtedly, Rabbit and I have piled on more than we should.

    But that just might be the impetus this unhinged kook needs as payback for me playing him all these years like a fiddle on his own blog. And I don’t really want to get pushed to the brink of being exposed, my name ‘outed’ as payback.

    So I sit here pondering how much longer I should let this go on.

  • 186. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    I got one, Pfesser. #151 – I really wish you could answer that, because I can’t find anyone that knows, including my pilot brother-in-law.

    Real adult conversation. :smile:

  • 187. PFesser  |  September 20, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    re: 151 Pure conjecture on my part, because I am unfamiliar with pure turbojet engines.

    As any aircraft slows down, it will pass through its best glide speed – which is also the speed where it needs the least power to maintain level flight. This speed is well above approach speed on all airplanes.

    As the airplane keeps slowing, in prep for landing, it actually requires more and more power the slower it goes, because the lift/drag ratio of the wing keeps going down. When they hang out the landing gear and drop the flaps, slats, and cuffs (on the front of the wing), they are extremely dirty, aerodynamically speaking, and it takes quite a bit of power to keep them from gliding like a set of car keys. My guess is that they are spooling the engines up for power on final approach, and that is the whooshing sound you hear. That’s just a guess. If you fly commercially you will notice them doing the same thing on final, except airliners more resemble gliders and don’t need as much power on final approach. It also takes time to spool up the engines, so they spool them up early so’s they don’t get caught pants-down if they have to go around.

    AFAIK, no jet fighters or any other type of military jet has thrust reversers. Don’t need ‘em, they are heavy and one more thing to break.

  • 188. Tex Taylor  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    Thanks Pfesser, makes sense. I’d kind of forgotten about the aeronautical drag with the wheels and such.

    Makes sense, because my first job out of college, I got to crawl around on the wings of F15E, F4 Phantom, F18 Hornet and was amazed at how thin the wings themselves were. I don’t know the speed required for lift, but I assume its faster than a commercial jet.

    I’ve never taken a hard look at the wheels when I hear the “whooshing”, mainly because most of the time, they don’t take that same flight path during the day. They seemed to be especially low last night.

    And I didn’t know jet aircraft didn’t have reverse thrust. Guess I was thinking of stuff like the Harrier where they redirect the thrust.

    I thought the Concord even had reverse thrust, but I could be wrong. And I’m not sure what to classify the Concord.

  • 189. dead rabbit  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    Tex, it shows me from South Lyon MI

  • 190. dead rabbit  |  September 20, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    I have used a proxy before……I assume Newt is too. On the one hand the Sensico conspiracy is kind of fun. But, I felt weird looking at her twitter. It kind of felt like if I dug too deep I could accidentally expose her real identity or something. That wouldn’t be cool. So, for shits and giggles I want to solve the Newt question once and for all but then I feel like a creep trying to do it. I don’t blame Pfessor asking wtf is wrong with us. I can’t help it…..I’m interested if Newt is Sensico.

  • 191. Tex Taylor  |  September 21, 2012 at 12:04 am

    Thanks Rabbit. That’s all I needed. Like Noah, sorry I had to ask for that.

  • 192. Noah  |  September 21, 2012 at 12:07 am

    TBH I just don’t care about enough to care. He/she/it makes no meaningful contribution. Its juanajo again driving web traffic with little in the way of adding to a conversation. A petty person looking for accolades for being incendiary enough to drive up post count. A more meaningless existence I can hardly imagine.

  • 193. Tex Taylor  |  September 21, 2012 at 12:15 am

    Thor,

    I had to make a decision tonight. I’m going to give Mr. Rutherford a break to cool off. I’ve been tied up this week on the computer while kept my father and out of sheer boredom, I’ve worn out my welcome. I’m going to get a way from the computer a day or two and do something constructive this weekend, leaving my mother to fend. If Rutherford thinks I’m ditching him or a coward, don’t give a shit. I’ll deal with him soon enough.

    ————

    Hope you read this sometime. This bet we have? I was just going to donate the proceeds to Rutherford for the hassles. I’ve decided he’s not going to be the benefactor.

    My bet is directly with you. You’re the favorite. You got the polls. You got the momentum. According to the media trying to demoralize the crowd. Cough cough.

    I assume you have some way I can pay through Pay Pal, should I lose? I’m not entirely sure how that works. I don’t care to share my personals with you, but I will honor the bet should I lose if it can be done anonymously.

    You obviously can do as you wish should I win – I don’t need the money. But if I can’t pay you, bet’s off.

    Period. Not negotiable.

  • 194. poolman  |  September 21, 2012 at 12:31 am

    This place is becoming surreal. Take it from one who knows surreal. Tex is now fortifying his entrenchment. :neutral:

  • 195. poolman  |  September 21, 2012 at 12:41 am

  • 196. poolman  |  September 21, 2012 at 12:58 am

    I got another damn video… Enjoy! :grin:

  • 197. PFesser  |  September 21, 2012 at 6:08 am

    re: 188. Tex, I think the Concorde does have thrust reversers, but it is a commercial airliner. I believe all the fighter planes are pure turbojet engines – less efficient, but faster than turbofan designs, like those on airliners.

    Now that I think of it, the big military cargo jets have turbofans…hmmm….I’ve never seen thrust reversers on ANY military plane, but that doesn’t mean much…I would bet that NO fighters have them, though, because of weight. Some of the fighters actually have drogue chutes on them. (F111?). Military airports regularly have runways over two miles long, so they don’t need reversers on anything.

    I had a cousin who was a flight engineer on the C-130 Herc. GREAT airplane. They can stop on a match-head because they are able to put the propellers in “beta” – which means they twist the blades so that they blow air forward instead of backward.

    I saw one of the Hughes “flying egg” helicopters at my airport a couple of months ago. They had the engine compartment open and the little turboshaft engine looked about the size of a three-pound coffee can and makes over 300 HP. I was agog at how tiny it was. Wish they would make those as replacements for heavy-assed piston motors on light planes.

  • 198. Noah  |  September 21, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    1. Economic policy D
    2. Foreign policy D-
    3. On how his policies resemble his promises. D+
    4. As a Leader F
    5. Holding true to the Constitution of the United States of America.F-
    6. Job Creation D
    7. Debt Reduction F
    8. Infrastructure D+
    9. Achievements (bills passed, budgets..ect.) D (green energy failures, no budget)
    10. Not a pass or fail but has the nation thrived or suffered under his administration overall? Suffered. I submit that 4 years in a recessionary state is suffering.

  • 199. Noah  |  September 21, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Romney, the Republican presidential nominee who helped pioneer the private equity industry as co-founder of Bain Capital, is worth an estimated $250 million, according to Bloomberg News — but other private equity executives are billionaires. According to Bloomberg, Romney missed out on the big rent-extraction party when he started doing public service, and he would be a billionaire today if he had stayed at Bain Capital.

    Sure seems like a man who walks the walk to me. Choosing public service over being a billionaire. Show me a Lib who would do the same.

  • 201. Rutherford  |  September 21, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    BTW, being a little pedantic here, it’s flout, not flaunt. You flaunt your tits, you flout authority.

    Nice catch …. I blame Noah. :-)

  • 202. Rutherford  |  September 21, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    his pie in the sky theory of sanctions a joke.

    Huh? Obama didn’t invent sanctions. And Iran is suffering under them.

    What’s your solution? Short of “bombing them back into the stone age” all that is left is sanctions and diplomacy. We already know you classify diplomacy as appeasement … so now all we’re left with are sanctions.

    What’s your solution?

  • 203. Rutherford  |  September 21, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    then surely a professional and polished speaker can do so.

    Was that a reference to Romney? :lol:

    “Ten thousand bucks?”
    “I can’t have illegals, I’m running for President for Pete’s sake.”

    Yeah that polished speaker will wipe the floor with Obama.

  • 204. Rutherford  |  September 21, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    I’m overhearing on a TV report that Ryan just got booed by the AARP when he dissed Obamacare. Mmmmm, I thought the elderly were part of Mitt’s base? Then again, since they don’t pay Fed income tax, Mitt did just tell them to f*ck off.

  • 205. Rutherford  |  September 21, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    I wonder if the higher incidence of minority abortion has any correlation to the lower incidence of minority adoption. It is a fact in this country that black and Hispanic children are harder to find homes domestically than white babies. The cause, purely racist in nature, is that many black families can’t afford to adopt and white families who can would sooner die than have a black baby in the family.

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if black women are encouraged to abort more often than their pregnant white counterparts.

    Aside to Noah who has trouble with the English language … what I’m saying to Tex is that white girls have no more control over their vajayjay than black girls do … it’s the outcome of the pregnancy that differs.

  • 206. Rutherford  |  September 21, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    How is Romneys statements re the 47% and VA Senate candidate Kaines statements about being open to a min. tax for ALL citizens so different?

    Alfie, you know I love you in a Bay State sort of way but you can be tone deaf on occasion. Romney did not make a simple statement that everyone should pay some fed tax. He called those who don’t, people who see themselves as victims and don’t want to take responsibility for their own lives. I seriously doubt Tim Kaine ever said that.

  • 207. Rutherford  |  September 21, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    I then got back in my car and watch as the people came out one by one and the pissed off faces as they tore the note up looking around for who put it on their windshield. Best laugh I’ve had in a long while.

    If you really did this (and the story sounds made-up to me quite frankly) then you are more of a juvenile psychotic than I ever imagined.

    A few threads back I believe Emily voiced some concern over clicking any links that you post. Now that you’ve shared this bit of malicious behavior, I don’t much blame her. You’re a grown-ass man behaving like a high school punk.

    Noah, I’ve joked with you about the white van before, but I’m dead serious now. You’ve got major problems and you need help.

    P.S. Were it not for my disability, if I EVER caught you leaving harassing notes on my windshield, I’d pound you into the parking lot pavement so hard you wouldn’t have the strength to lift another windshield wiper for some time to come. :evil:

  • 208. Rutherford  |  September 21, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Sorry you had to share that.

    He didn’t HAVE to share that … unless you have more control over him than I imagined.

    What a bunch of loons.

    LOL Tex, Noah is such a suck-up to you that he’d share his real name and that of all his loved ones if you asked. Anything to win one “for the team”.

  • 209. Rutherford  |  September 21, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Tex, just ignore him. All anyone had to say was “nope, not the case.” Instead we got bupkis and now you’re the one that must be corrected. Feh.

    You care to explain this Muffy? Made no damn sense to me.

  • 210. Rutherford  |  September 21, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Is making a joke about the birther controversy enough?

    Depends on the motive of the “joke”. If the joke is intended to APPEAL to birthers, that’s a problem. If the joke is intended to mock birthers, that’s not a problem. In Romney’s case, the motive was ambiguous. (And the “joke” just on the face of it, wasn’t particularly funny.)

  • 211. muffy  |  September 21, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    What makes someone a birther? Serious question for you, R.

  • 212. Rutherford  |  September 21, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    The problem I’ve got is some of this information is somewhat personal, replete with pictures. And I’m not real cool with passing that in an email to a man I know longer trust

    Let’s get this straight Tex cos I’m tired of your bullsh*t.

    Facebook works on permissions. The reason you saw more of my Facebook stuff than I ever intended was that I was accidentally publishing everything to “public” (which I’ve subsequently changed). Unless you are a hacker, you CAN’T see anything Sensico doesn’t want you to see. It’s as simple as that.

    So … let the room know once and for all that you are a hacker (which might have some legal implications) OR that you have in your posession stuff on Sensico that any Tom Dick or Harry could have because she has set up non-restrictive permissions.

    The more you talk about this stuff, the deeper you dig your hole.

    So again …. either email me what you think you have … or if it is so “sensitive” then tell the room right here and now that you are a hacker and you hacked Sensico’s Facebook account.

    Your choice.

    P.S. I’m posting this to the latest thread also so you (and everyone else) will be sure to see it. The ‘trust” thing really pisses me off. I’ve been VERY careful with the information that I have in my possession on everyone who posts here and I consider it the ultimate insult to have trust issues thrown in my face. You’ve crossed a line.

  • 213. Rutherford  |  September 21, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Like Noah, sorry I had to ask for that.

    Pure bullsh*t … he’s not the least bit sorry. His ego is on the line …. he made a preposterous claim and can’t let it go and will go through whatever “detective work” he can to try and save face.. What’s funny is that I am the one who is supposedly going to “war”.

    For all those who consider my reaction out of proportion … I find malice (not harmless gigging) at the heart of this Sensico=Newt thing. It’s done to discredit someone, calling both parties both dumb and liars at the same time. There is nothing trivial about it. I asked a few times in the thread if folks were just joking … and if Tex or anyone else said “yeah R we’re just f*cking around” I would have dropped it. But that did not happen … and then the ante was upped, and I was called a liar.

    Sorry, I don’t play that.

  • 214. muffy  |  September 21, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    “You care to explain this Muffy? Made no damn sense to me.”

    Yeah. James asked Newt several times (politely, as is his custom) if she was NOP. She never answered him (that i saw.) I found that strange. Why not just say, “nope.”

    I thought maybe I missed her answer but didn’t think much of it anyway. Then when Newt made that odd blindside of James I thought maybe she was NOP after all. I thought I remembered someone was crazy with the commas over at Fat Grannies but I couldn’t remember who.

    But even then I really didn’t care until the details about Newt’s private life that she shared here were called into question. So I asked a simple yes/no question – did you lie to us. I asked both you and Newt that. No answer, but some bizarre reply from Newt about us going for drinks and and a weird blend of mockery and outrage from you.

    That this has been blown way out of proportion doesn’t lie just with Tex or rabbit. Just say “no, I’m not NOP” or “I’m not sensico.”

  • 215. Rutherford  |  September 21, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Great Mark Fiore vid Poolman.

  • 216. Rutherford  |  September 21, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Muffy, thanks for the explanation. I can’t speak to the whole “NOP” thing. I left that between Newt and James … and again, it kinda fell into the “all liberal women must be one liberal woman” bag for me. As for Sensico=Newt …. they have both denied it.

    As for my “outrage” I think I’ve explained it in subsequent comments.

  • 217. Noah  |  September 21, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    I’m overhearing on a TV report that Ryan just got booed by the AARP when he dissed Obamacare. Mmmmm, I thought the elderly were part of Mitt’s base?

    Sorry thought you knew,,,virtually everyone else did. AARP stands to make billions off Obamacare. Keep up with the times man.

  • 218. Noah  |  September 21, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Aside to Noah who has trouble with the English language … How so bitch?

    what I’m saying to Tex is that white girls have no more control over their vajayjay than black girls do … it’s the outcome of the pregnancy that differs.

    Sure they do. Its called having a father in the home.

  • 219. muffy  |  September 21, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    R, I never said sensico didn’t deny it. She showed up here to do just that after a very long absence. I said Newt didn’t deny it – and you say she did. Did she? When?

    She made some assy retort about ‘what did she have a boy or a girl,’ then she made a barely legible overture of some kind for sensico and me to meet her for drinks. WTF? I was wondering how much she’d had to drink already. She frequently goes off on these trips where I think she’s about to boardicide her comments are so provocative and balmy.

    She says something about her “progeny” then says something contradictory, then she’s asked about it and clams up. It’s just weird. She’s not exactly endearing herself to anybody here except you. I really don’t get it. I wish I did. Is she just so ganged up on that she’s become a cat in a corner, scratching wildly?

    Your take isn’t accurate on James’ suspicion that Newt is NOP either. I really don’t know where you get the idea that anyone thinks all liberal women must be one and the same. That seems to be some ‘insight’ you dreamed up. You really don’t know what you’re talking about with regard to Newt sounding a hell of a lot like NOP and hating on James for no reason at all.

    And try and shoo it away all you like, all she had to say when James asked her “Newt, are you NOP?” was “No James, I am not.” I would have believed her.

    As for your outrage, you explained it but I really don’t see where Tex went anywhere that you and he haven’t gone before – trust, liar liar, all of it. I wonder if you’re just busting with joy to nail him because you finally feel like you’ve got him dead to rights and you can really embarrass him with it.

    Rutherford this rift with you and Tex is both your faults. You never skip the chance to stir shit up for him if he’s not stirring up enough trouble for himself to suit you.

    It’ll be all quiet and you’ll pop off with “hey hey PF ‘member when Tex called you a murderer? ‘member that?” Or he’ll be interacting with someone peacefully and you’ll put the brakes on it by reminding them of Tex’s nastiness. You don’t do that to anyone else except for maybe Noah. Fact is, you don’t give anyone else near the shit you give Tex for pulling crap here. Even when they do the exact same thing using the same exact words – you call them out in a very interesting but mealy mouthed “you guys” or even “conservatives do” kind of way.

    I agree he’s gone over the line with you. But do you really think that you haven’t been just as nasty to him?

  • 220. Noah  |  September 21, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    A few threads back I believe Emily voiced some concern over clicking any links that you post. Now that you’ve shared this bit of malicious behavior, I don’t much blame her. You’re a grown-ass man behaving like a high school punk.

    Poor poor little man. You say these things because your small mind is failing you. I can see why the corporate world got rid of you. A little joke like this has nothing to do with posting nefarious links. Step up Bro. Show that I have done even one questionable link and I will mail you $100.00 and never post on this board again. Step up or show everyone what you really are. That N word, you just became it if you cannot substantiate this claim, NO MATTER WHAT EXCUSE YOU COME UP WITH.

  • 221. muffy  |  September 21, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    *jaw drop*

    Noah, beat it. Scram. Get lost. Fuck off.

  • 222. Noah  |  September 21, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    no I did nothing wrong.

  • 223. Noah  |  September 21, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    He accused me of a crime. Either he can substantiate it or he cannot.

  • 224. Noah  |  September 21, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    As the blog host he should be able to pull apart EVERYTHING I have posted. Surly he wouldn’t accuse me without SOME proof

  • 225. El Tigre  |  September 21, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Noah, are you shitting me? The “N” word? I am at total loss as to why you would peck something like that out and hit Post Comment. I would hit you over the back of the head if I could. It’s your turn to man-up and apologize on that one.

  • 226. Noah  |  September 21, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    And it better be rock solid evidence R. As I showed before on a questionable link by someone else I can pull up a links history for the past 18 months and sometimes more by the people who do this for a living.

  • 227. Noah  |  September 21, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    I will apologize, pay out $100.00 and never post again, if he can substantiate even 1 time.

  • 228. Noah  |  September 21, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    I’ll even pay it out to Tex to send on so R doesn’t have to give out any personal info.

  • 229. poolman  |  September 21, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Noah, why don’t you go for a walk and get some fresh air, maybe regain perspective. Really. It could only do you good to take a break from your virtual self and connect with the real.

  • 230. Noah  |  September 21, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    No matter how mad I have gotten at Rutherford I never accused him of a crime. Time for him to back his claim up

  • 231. El Tigre  |  September 21, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    “No matter how mad I have gotten at Rutherford I never accused him of a crime.”

    What you just said is far worse.

  • 232. poolman  |  September 21, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Great Mark Fiore vid Poolman.

    Pretty damn good! I don’t know if they are getting edgier or not, but it amazes how many (aside from his) are lining up with the same thoughts/philosophy. Even the Lee Camps are hitting the same keys, imo.

  • 234. Noah  |  September 21, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    If I am wrong, and I have done this a eloquent, and heartfelt apology and $100 cash is his.

  • 235. Noah  |  September 21, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    FYI that is the criminal code I was almost charged with when one of my employees misused our computers to hack and spam their schools sports program website

  • 236. Noah  |  September 21, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Alright screw it. I’ll go. I will just state in advance Rutherford will not produce one link showing that I posted anything even remotely malicious.

  • 237. poolman  |  September 21, 2012 at 5:54 pm

  • 238. Rutherford  |  September 21, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    I agree he’s gone over the line with you. But do you really think that you haven’t been just as nasty to him?

    Muffy, I’m hardly an objective observer of the exchange.

    As for Newt denying she was Sensico, I interpreted the following comment as denial:

    1271. Newt or no newt | September 18, 2012 at 9:28 pm What the hell is wrong with you idiots? You have me associated with some blog I’ve never heard of, but if Mitt appears tomorrow with 666 tattooed on his forehead you’ll kneel and say master. Actually after the latest revelations you already have. What a bunch of dopes!

  • 239. Rutherford  |  September 21, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    OK, Noah this is my last word on the subject. I did not accuse you of a crime. I said that your anti-social behavior in that parking lot where you took sadistic pleasure over watching people find your harassing flyer on their windshield was consistent with the kind of person who could not be trusted to post virus-free links. I said that based on your behavior, Emily’s concerns about you were not unfounded. I did not say that you have ever posted a malicious link.

    Now, this is the last time I am addressing you on this blog Noah. I am not going to ban you. You are welcome to post here and interact with anyone here who wishes to interact with you. Henceforth I will not respond to any of your comments. You have shared with us a pretty tough recent history. You’re under duress and I seriously think you need help. But I am not going to be an enabler.

    I hope things improve for you.

  • 240. Rutherford  |  September 21, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    Poolman while I think the Israel video is a wee bit over the top I sure get the basic message. When I was younger I liked Bibi. Now I see him as big trouble for both his country and ours.

    I just don’t get the Israel-USA relationship. It’s like we are the big strapping guy with the six pack and huge biceps and they are the little runt who everyone picks on … and so we protect them like a little runt brother. Except in this case, the little runt has a big mouth and nukes.

    I just don’t get it.

  • 241. Noah  |  September 23, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    R
    Yes you did, and you know it. Not going to mince words, it is there for everyone to read. That said, I only regret that you angered me enough to go there. But no worries, I now consider the score even. :twisted: toodles.

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