The Dysfunctional Democratic Party

There are times when the Democrats truly live up to the image of their mascot, the ass. Such was the case on Thursday, June 28, a day that should have been a day of celebration for Democrats everywhere as the Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act. But the other major headline of the day showed Democrats at their dysfunctional worst.

On Thursday, the House of Representatives voted to cite Attorney General Eric Holder in criminal contempt of Congress, the first time a sitting Cabinet member has ever been so cited in the history of our country. The move was the culmination of an ongoing power struggle between Congress and the Department of Justice and the motivations were clearly as political as they were any real search for the truth.

Only one Republican crossed the aisle to vote with Democrats to spare Holder this embarrassment. On the other hand, 17 Democrats voted with the Republicans while a large contingent of Democratic representatives left the building in protest.

Why is it that on issue after issue, Republicans show solidarity while Democrats splinter and blunt their own strength in numbers? Why is it that there is no Republican analogue to the “Blue Dog” Democrat? Blue Dogs are recognized as moderate to conservative leaning Democrats who are accepted for who they are. Republicans who go off the talking points are labeled RINO’s (Republican in name only) and are shunned. As I sat in disgust watching the vote Thursday evening I was reminded of the work done by Jonathan Haidt, about which I’ve written before.

In that work most recently represented in his book The Righteous Mind, Haidt argues that we are governed by five basic moral foundations and that conservatives have a pretty even balance of all five. Liberals on the other hand value fairness very highly and loyalty not much at all.

In the above graph, if we ignore the first bar in each series (those are my personal ratings) and just focus on the other two bars we see that conservatives (the right red bar) value concern for harm, fairness, loyalty, respect for authority and purity/sanctity evenly. For liberals (the middle blue bar), concern for harm (i.e. caring) and fairness are primary and all other moral considerations take a back seat.

Perhaps this explains the dysfunctional Democratic behavior I witnessed Thursday evening. The Democrat’s sense of fairness (i.e. that Holder was getting a raw deal) led a bunch of them to walk out of the chamber. On the other hand their relatively low regard for loyalty led a decent number of them to side with the opposition.

Haidt’s prescription for future harmony is that we understand and accept these differences in each other and that liberals and conservatives live in a yin/yang relationship where each is valuable. From a political perspective, I have to disagree with Haidt. Liberals are not going to achieve their goals unless they develop the same sense of loyalty and solidarity found among conservatives. There is obviously the glass-half-full approach to this that there is value in independence (lack of loyalty) but in a political fight I find that glass half empty.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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971 thoughts on “The Dysfunctional Democratic Party

  1. Perhaps the real answer is that the way dems view themselves and wish that others view them is divorced from reality, fairness being a function of self-interest.

  2. Rabbit, I’ve stated conservatives demonstrate solidarity. Surely you don’t think I mean they exhibit it only for worthy causes? Libs need to play the same game.

  3. PF good question. Not recognizing self interest is a lot like not being able to see the forest for the trees. But I doubt libs have any monopoly on self delusion.

  4. I totally applaud them. You think lying and thieving is neato. You love politicians for the exact reason I hate them. Of course, I’m willing to bet a few of those Dems are on the hot seat at home. But some were simply being honest. You can’t have the attorney general blantely lying.

  5. R, I thought you recognized Holder was spitting in Issa’s face. How do you think that would be handled in a judicial proceeding? His actions define the very word “contempt.”

  6. I don’t understand the whole walk out thing. What is it with 21st century Dems and walking instead of fighting? There’s a word for it. p-u-s-….

  7. Rutherford, I applaud your post for calling out the stand that the Democrats took.

    “Members of the Congressional Black Caucus organized and led the protest.”

    “But the issue of race was an undercurrent, as several members linked Thursday’s contempt vote to Holder’s efforts to fight voter suppression nationwide.”

    Didn’t take it long before the race issue became the forefront rather than the issue at hand.

  8. Both parties are dysfunctional. The right and the left are imploding. Hopefully we’ll rid ourselves of both when this whole enchilada gets baked. It would be a true benefit.

    We spend our time countering each other and analyzing the worthless fight.

    One world governmental zoo.

  9. Boy Rutherford. You are really in touch with the direction most Americans want to see politics go. Less ethical and principled and more partisan. Yup, that’s what most people want to see. Political loyalty Chicago style. You are the pulse of mainstreet.

  10. R, I thought you recognized Holder was spitting in Issa’s face.

    No, I’ve specifically said Obama is spitting in Issa’s face. On the contrary, Holder has been pretty damn cooperative, testifying several times and turning over thousands of pages of documents.

    Oh and sorry for attributing your question to PF. It was still a good question. :-)

  11. Alfie I don’t get the walk out thing either. I found it juvenile when it was done in Wisconsin and I find it juvenile here also. I may not have made it clear in the piece but I consider it more evidence of Democratic dysfunction.

  12. Rabbit you don’t get it. Look at the Republicans and tell me I’m wrong. They go off message, they get drummed out. Just listen to Tex’s rhetoric. A moderate Republican is no Republican at all. And I’m telling you, that single focused message … that solidarity stands them in good stead. The Blue Dogs were a major obstacle to Obama in the first two years.

    So don’t lecture me about how I’m not yearning for your political utopia. I’m looking at what works and suggesting the Dems need to get on board.

    P.S. Tea Party vs Occupy is another great example. The Tea Party quickly coalesced behind a single message. Occupy did the opposite, splintering, being way too inclusive, etc.

  13. Raji, I don’t think the attack on Holder has any racial agenda but I also don’t think, lie or no lie, that Holder is popular with GOPhers. The GOP IS playing games with respect to wiping out “voter fraud”. DOJ is on their ass about it. There’s no love loss between them.

  14. I agree with Ragi. This is a good statement.

    Holder has not been forthcoming or cooperative with the inquiry. He and now President Obama, have cast doubt about aspects of Fast and Furious while refusing to share the documents. They are claiming to give the committee what it needs as they obfuscate. That is not cooperation.

    I also don’t think the attack on Holder has a major racial agenda.

    Both sides are playing games with voter fraud. Democrats want it to continue, because it seems to benefit them. Republicans want to stop it because they know the Democrats are right.

    Blue Dog Democrats were once the norm, not an election year gimmic Scoop Jackson is one example. Relatively conservative Democrats were recruited to win elections. They voted against the party for their own self preservation and because their values differed from the majority. i don’t think Democrats would nominate JFK in this atmosphere.

    Wisconsin is a good example of poison which has infected the Democratic party.They have become sorer losers and winners .

    Such liberals do not represent the party, but when they wish Focus on the family’s headquarters burned in the Colorado fire or Michele Malkin’s house would burn down or she should be dropped on the fire as a flame retardant they contribute to our political dysfunction. Sarah Palin commented about the decision and liberals wrote about her slutty daughters and her “retard” son.

    Republicans are no angels either. We are witnessing a bulletless war for the soul of America.

  15. Rutherford –

    I would explain it in a most unusual way: everybody decided to do the right thing and voted his conscience.

    I have stayed on my hospital’s medical staff for the same reason, even though I am not working there now and have considerable resentment toward the administration. To wit: I am on the Medical Executive Committee and last week the administration brought the issue before us of an incompetent doctor.

    I won’t go into the details, but suffice it to say that this committee, composed ENTIRELY of physicians, voted to strip this doctor of her privileges. This will set off a string of bad things for this physician, making it very, very difficult for her to obtain employment in the future, and reporting the proceedings and particulars to another fine government entity, the National Practitioner Data Bank – where it will be visible to every person on the planet – as well as the Virginia State Board of Medicine.

    You won’t find anyone more defensive of doctors than I am, but I made the motion to expel myself. Why? Because it is a matter of conscience and transcends any personal feelings I have. This is one of the most unpleasant tasks I have ever done and I could have avoided it by resigning from the medical staff effective my last day of work, but I didn’t do it because I felt it my duty to be involved.

    Perhaps some of the Democrats decided to rise to some level above themselves for once, too. Just a thought.

  16. Perusing the news this morning, I see that the Dept of Justice has refused to pursue charges against its boss, Holder.

    I really find the goings-on in Washington alarming. If they don’t like a law, by God they just don’t follow it. If Obama doesn’t like what Congress does, he just ignores the Constitution and does it himself.

    Boys, it’s time for a little come-to-Jesus talk up there. If I were Congress, I would say, fine – the budget for Justice next year is ZERO – and the year after that, and the year after that – and not back down – ever. After everybody goes home, we might see if we need that cabinet position or not.

    Probably not.

  17. Am I alone in thinking that amongst all the dysfunction in ample supply in DC, the DoJ on a bipartisan basis is always high on the list?

  18. Holder blantely hid evidence he was grossly incompetent. He lied. Does this make Republicans happy? Who gives a shit. He lied. And President Transparent is hiding info about this matter from the people. Many Dems walk off with this faux racism bull shit. Like I care that Holder is a well spoken negro. Or looks just like Trayvon.

    But oh nooooooo. What concerns R? That the democratic party wasn’t unified in protecting a liar. He keeps pretending this is a lack of unity over a certain idealogy and laments that the dems can’t be like the tea party. THIS IS ABOUT LYING.

  19. So Dems should forever be loyal to the party and never hold one of their own accountable? All for one and one for all, eh?

    Holder has not been helpful. He’s been combative, he has prevented multiple DOJ and ATF folks from testifying, he has lied about documents, he’s provided false documents, and he has withheld documents.

    But here is the thing- instead of you expecting this Administration of being transparent, you’re angry because a few Dems voted out of party line, which I’m sure was more of them attempting to get a data point towards reelection than them actually having integrity.

    You want to know what’s dysfunctional? You pointing party before the law. But hey, it’s the liberal way…

  20. It really is amazing, isn’t Gorrila? Why do we even engage a guy like R? He believes in nothing. I garuntee complaining about a lack of unity was on his television.

  21. LOL, yeah, I’m sure they’re the white example of Uncle Toms. One of the ‘Toms’ was Gerry Connelly, my rep. He survived in 2010 by ~800 votes. I guarantee he voted only because he knew it would pass anyway and he needed some ammo for 2012. He was the House Freshman president for Obama from 08-10 and supported EVERY SINGLE Obama initiative like a good lap dog. Now, he probably sits ina puddle of piss knowing that those first two years are gonna be drudged right back up…

    You do have to wonder though, how does someone with so little intellectual integrity and rampant self-loathing make it through the day. I can’t let people lie to me, accept that theirs lies justified an end and still think that I came out ahead.

  22. If there is one thing I will always share about my real world life it is that I absolutely hate yard work.
    That said I’ve taken a time out from the estate to delve a little further in2 Rutherfords latest.
    From the post:

    Blue Dogs are recognized as moderate to conservative leaning Democrats who are accepted for who they are.

    Given the fact that the democrats have embraced the systematic destruction of the Blue Dog Coalition I obviously find fault with this line. The fate of the Blue Dogs lies within not the voters per se but the Parties far left fellow travelers. A Blue Dog who looks out for his district and to an extent his/her country is pilloried by the Kos tards and Madcow and Soros types.
    RINOs on the other hand tend to take their lickings from the voters flat out most notably seen recently secondary to the TPM types.
    Now reading this you might say”Hell Alfie aren’t you really saying they’re the same”? To which I have to say no. Blue Dogs get slain not from the district view but the national liberal slant. RINOs are challenged and attacked from their home turf first and foremost.

  23. Rutherford just to clarify is your stance on unity more about toeing the line on message or that they should fight for what they believe in?
    I’m hoping you can appreciate where I see a difference.

  24. Okay Thor, your last comment did give me a chuckle (prior thread).

    I have read many that try to elevate Roberts’ decision as having an “evil genius” quality — knowing it wasn’t right but as Krauthammer said he wanted to act as a “custodian” of the SCOTUS to ensure the perception of its legitimacy.

    I ain’t buying it.

    I always figured the framework of a man’s beliefs ought to be pretty firm else how’s the rest supported dependably.

    Roberts vote may have been an attempt to protect his co-equal branch of government from irrelevance as a political tool…to show the Court has integrity, elevated above the rabble of politics so to speak. I think, if this is true, he failed.

    Roberts wasn’t true to his own legal integrity so anything subsequent to that is flawed.

    He came up with a “my theory” of how the mandate should stand rather than how it should stand or fall based on the text of the statute.

    And by casting the issue back into the political arena, he abrogated the Court’s sole responsibility to be final arbiter for all legal cases and, rather than avoiding taint as “political,” it stinks more of it because he ignored it’s raison d’être-the law.

    Besides, nobody who knows anything sees the Court (any court) as apolitical. That’s an ideal, like Justice, not always a reality.

    As for pissiness, yes I am pissed. R degrading the discussion into the usual “we win, you lose” crappola affirms my greatest fears about the direction of things. Obama and the left care little about the long-tem impact of their approach to governance, the poltical process one to be circumvented rather than applied.

    R’s question about judicial doctrine (i.e. seeking to uphold properly enacted statutes when possible) is better understood on a broader level as the tension between originalism versus textualism.

    But that wasn’t R’s purpose at all. He was repeating the moronic musings of the MSNBC commentators to validate his mirth over a disastrous decision that he doesn’t have the foresight to regret becuase doing so would extend beyond a daily news cycle.

    And fuck Holder. You want integrity in the system of justice, especially from its enforcers, you need to demand it. Period.

    Enjoy the mayonnaise.

  25. Only 98 on my back patio. Officially we’re at 105. 110 in Georgia would be brutal.

    My wife does the yard work. I get to do the tree trimming and any digging. Occasionally I rake the rocks in the front yard. Most of the back is garden.

    What’s the deal with the mayonnaise?

  26. Its 87 after a high of 93 here. It was 101 three days ago. A television reporter baked cookies near the rear window of a closed car.

    No yard work for us. We just watched Michele Phelps win a race at the Olympic tryouts, We watched several swimmers nearly break world records.

    I have been picking peas.

    Dr. Elynn Taylor ISU extension climatologist says we are on a stair stepping climb to dust bowl conditions. The worst will be with us in 2025. He thinks it will average hot and dry until mid August at least.

    Two separate Tea Party groups are organizing demonstrations in Omaha this holiday week.

  27. See No. 21 from the prior thread.

    LOL. Sorry I asked. I could have gone the rest of my life without seeing that and likely been better off. :neutral:

  28. I see that the Dept of Justice has refused to pursue charges against its boss, Holder.

    This was expected. It’s one reason why both a criminal AND civil contempt charge was filed.

  29. You pointing party before the law. But hey, it’s the liberal way…

    No, it’s the conservative way and I argue if libs are to succeed they better start emulating it.

  30. Why do we even engage a guy like R? He believes in nothing. I garuntee complaining about a lack of unity was on his television.

    You’re really beginning to piss me off. You don’t need to engage if you think I’m such a phony. Go patch up a f*cking roof and stop wasting time here.

  31. Rutherford just to clarify is your stance on unity more about toeing the line on message or that they should fight for what they believe in?

    I believe conservatives toe the line on message (and therefore on their votes) or they suffer the consequences. I cannot believe, conservatives being human beings, that they are truly a monolith. Hence lots of them are NOT fighting for what they believe in. They are doing what it takes to survive among their peers, the pundits, and to a lesser extent the voter. I truly believe the average conservative congress critter cares more about what Rush Limbaugh and Grover Norquist think than what their constituents think. On that note, I truly believe Mitt Romney is a moderate conservative but heaven forbid he admit to that in this environment. So he panders to the farthest right in his party.

    While I would love to applaud liberals diversity of opinion, it prevents them from getting key legislative victories. Too much fighting among themselves in public. The health care law could have been so much more if Democrats had not divided among themselves about it.

  32. But that wasn’t R’s purpose at all. He was repeating the moronic musings of the MSNBC commentators to validate his mirth over a disastrous decision

    First of all, you don’t know my “purpose” unless I state it, oh mindreader. Second, I wasn’t repeating a moronic “musing” of an MSNBC commentator … I was asking about a fact that an MSNBC commentator brought up. It wasn’t a musing. It was FACT that Roberts stated his job was to preserve the law if at all possible. I was asking you, since you play a lawyer on TV, whether or not that was something you agreed with. AND I thanked you when you ultimately answered the question.

  33. Noah, what makes you think that I don’t believe people are buying guns in record numbers? All the more reason for better gun control laws and prosecution of those who foment unrest in the nation. Unfortunately that would tread on some First Amendment rights and I cannot sign up for that. So I just have to hope that cooler minds prevail.

  34. FWIW, spent most of the day at my brother-in-law’s enjoying some pre-4th celebration. Returned home to this thread and wondered why I bother. :neutral:

  35. “@453…Thor throw me a bone here. What do you hang your hope hat upon? Serious question. I’m not seeing rays of optimism anywhere I look. Share. – Alfie

    Corporate earnings have been very strong this year. Despite the fact that there is a great deal of money sitting on the sidelines just waiting, there has been an upsurge in manufacturing by those willing to get in the game. We bit the bullet of increased bank capitalization four years ago. Europe is just now swallowing the ipecac. That puts us far ahead of them. Gas prices haven’t spiked anywhere near as high as some predicted. I think the consumers in this country are a bit leaner and smarter now than they were before the crash. I think this country is rich, resourceful and noble and its people, although slow to meet the challenge at times, always prevail.

    Now, a cultural koan for you (or anyone else) to contemplate while you are out digging post holes or weeding flowerbeds or whatever your yard work entails.

    What do Elvis’ hips and Socrates’ lips have in common?

  36. Pf, I meant to comment on your Moody Blues post. My “desert island” picks list would have to include “Days of Future Passed” and “Children’s Children’s Children”. It would also include REM – “Out of Time”, The Grateful Dead – “Shakedown Street” and Al Stewart – “Past, Present and Future”. I seem to have a “temporal” taste in music. :)

  37. @46. Did you see Meredith Whitney’s take on the American economy? Let me see if I can find it………….hmmmmm…no dice. Anyway, if I have the author right, she said the the future for the economy looked extremely bright because of all the corporate money sitting on the sidelines, ready to invest when the business and regulatory climate improved.

    That is, I believe, code for “when this administration is out of office.”

  38. thor – I love Al Stewart. “Year of the Cat” came out when I was in med school. It really spoke to a country boy who was ‘way out of his element, spending 18 hours/day in a large white building, longing for the halcyon days when he spent hour after hour riding his motorcycle through the autumn leaves. I was too stubborn to bag it, but I knew from the beginning that I was in the wrong place. An occasional escape – listening to Al Stewart while I studied – helped immensely.

    By the way, I think Meredith Whitney is one hot mama. To quote Sam Elliot in “Roadhouse,” that girl’s got entirely too many brains to have a ass like that.”

  39. I want to come back to the topic of uncertainty. Meredith, you talk to a lot of CEOs. What are they looking for over the next two years? They’re sitting on a lot of cash waiting for something. Is it demand or is it certainty?

    Meredith Whitney of Meredith Whitney Advisory Group: Resoundingly, the one thing they’re looking for is leadership. And antagonism is not leadership. If you had leadership positions on policies like taxes, like fiscal issues, like corporate governance, like reg reform, that would be certainty you could live with and plan on. But if the rules are changing constantly, it’s very difficult to budget. And that’s why so many corporations are sitting on so much cash. They don’t know what their needs are going to be in the future.

    That then creates, at least for the banks, an environment where you’re hoarding cash, you’re not lending. Leadership could come in and rectify a lot of that. That’s what business is really looking for. The Republicans are in a tricky situation. If they slow things down and the unemployment rate doesn’t move, then they’ll get kicked out of office. Someone’s got to go cross-aisle and take the leadership position.
    thats from 2010 though. She is also the person ho upon her subprime prediction success followed up with a 500 page report on the muni defaults

  40. “Go patch up a f*cking roof and stop wasting time here.”-R

    How about I patch that hole in your neck, first, cluck. Maybe its time you start breathing the stinky air like the rest of us. A lying Justice Department sucks donkey balls. It should piss all of us off. Why do you feel to be a part of this team? You watch too much West Wing. At best you’re a rube who helps spread their garbage propaganda online. At worst you’re a 200 hundred dollar donation and a form letter thank you.

    Serious question. Would you blow Obama if he asked you? Or is that where the “war criminal” thing comes in. Rutherford’s ethical line in the sand: His only moral pillar. He won’t perform fellatio on war criminals.

    Some one tell this guy he is barking up the wrong tree.

  41. The F&F scandal is cover for a bigger scandal.

    Imagine that for a minute, a Goldman Sachs operative as a top congressional staffer, lobbying for Goldman Sachs, in this case to block strengthening Dodd-Frank regulations on derivatives. Issa’s wish is exactly the banks’ wish, to weaken the legislation so Wall Street’s Derivatives Casino can keep its stakes up.

    Fang asks, “Has Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) turned the House Oversight Committee into a bank lobbying firm with the power to subpoena and pressure government regulators?”

    In fact, “In July, Issa sent a letter to top government regulators demanding that they back off and provide more justification for new margin requirements for financial firms dealing in derivatives. A standard practice on Capitol Hill is to send a letter to a government agency with contact information for the congressional staffer responsible for working on the issue for the committee. In most cases, the contact staffer is the one who actually writes such letters. With this in mind, it is important to note that the Issa letter ended with contact information for Peter Haller, a staffer hired this year to work for Issa on the Oversight Committee.”

    Pretty diabolical scheme: deflect Issa’s corrupt lobbying techniques to emasculate oversight, by ferreting out a DOJ scandal to cover the Democrats with the Fast and Furious scandal, burying the larger scandal of planting a Goldman operative in Congress to lobby for soft laws on derivatives. The Fast and Furious scandal is nowhere near the magnitude of the Goldman Sachs operative scandal, with the add-on that Goldman is trying to get the U.S. attorney general held in contempt and discredit Obama for using his presidential override of the charge.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/06/29/fast-and-furious-scandal-covers-a-larger-republican-scandal/

  42. Poolman I find it unlikely seeing as it was Issa who tried to have FOIA reinstated on SEC. Dodd Frank revoked the ability to use FOIA for SEC docs.
    As for the derivative margin thing Issa and others have been on this for one reason and one reason alone. Foreign banks and investors don’t comply to similar regulations thus placing US banks at a perceived disadvantage.
    Dude if you want to go a GOP witch hunt go after Cantors aide going to Wall St. Ms leona Fallon heading to bank lobbying firm. VT must have a story on that? I mean really that Ohio zionist sending his minion to the Illuminati???!!!

  43. @ Rutherford 42 you mix words in a way that bothers me. You use conservative instead of Republican like the words are interchangeable, they are not!
    I think you’re confusing the point in your mind as well as the mind of your readers.

  44. @ thor 46 thanks for getting back to me. Alas I still feel justified in my pessimism.
    Corporate earnings were big headlines as they were UP ($11+bn). they were adjusted though when the overseas aspects hit and caused them to actually be DOWN ($6+bn).
    The money on the sidelines is part fallacy part just normal. It is primarily on the “sidelines” more because of the Bear/Bull thing than anything else. I will tip my cap that some degree of political uncertainty affects it too.
    Europe has put the drink in the cup but they’re not drinking. The cure for them is a pill they’re not up to.
    Gas prices haven’t spiked….and there is a negative wrapped within that very true positive. I don’t really need to go there do I?
    Consumers are definitely leaner,I don’t know about smarter. I think overall that Americans are such consumers is part of the problem.
    I will agree that the country has all the ingredients it needs….I think we split when it comes to the choice of menu and cooks though.

  45. I have already mentioned Al Stewart and also “Time Passages.”

    I believe uncertainity is holding down our inflation rate.The economy is sluggish as businesses and families sit on their money until they know what the rules will be.

    Fast and Furious is mostly political but it is a big issue whether or not voters believe it is. People died.

  46. @ 58 agreed,or at least I think so. One of the things overlooked about the “money on the sidelines” theory is the thinking the eventual spending/investing of that money will be a one way street. It won’t be,an influx of cash in one end will cause movement and reactions elsewhere. Perhaps that will be all good,perhaps not hell perhaps it will be a status quo thing. I personally think being overly optimistic about it is misplaced.

  47. Yes, Ragi, a Derecho is nasty but fun to watch. Such storms are self-perpetuating as they create a high pressure which races ahead and scoops warm moist air into the sky, sort of like a super charger.

    I have been in three. Both caused extensive damage. One struck Omaha during the 2008 Olympic trials The sirens rang and many of the swimmers ran for the exits because they were more familiar with earth quakes than severe thunderstorms. An anemoniter 100 feet above the ground registered a 125 MPH gust.

    Another devastating effect is the very hot weather and lack of power for water or air conditioning.

    I found a cheery song no one will watch Sofia Jannok “Irene” is a song-joik about tallying, tagging and innoculating reindeer in her aunt’s herd. It shows views of the Ice Hotel.

  48. Did the ThinkProgress,Kostards,anti-Issa drones &VT folks read the 20 page LETTER before they went ape shit over it?
    I won’t pretend I understand all the financial aspects of the thing or every nook and cranny of Dodd/Frank (especially seeing as supporting authorized items are still yet to be written) but really.?!

  49. I just read it. So? It sounds like they don’t want to have to provide identifiable backing as collateral for investing and the difficulty in proving and categorizing said backing will tie up supposed assets that otherwise appear as liquid and therefore collateral and thereby will slow and ultimately hurt commercial business. This action will punitively hurt commercial entities who supposedly had little to do with the financial crisis we are in.

    I love this part… cc ‘The Honorable Timothy Geithner’ :lol:

  50. Sorry to look so out of touch but who is that in the picture Rabbit posted in 51?

    Rabbit as long as there is a narrative supported by the research of Katherine Eban I’m not ready to jump on the F&F bandwagon that has you so enraged. I’ll repeat the URL here. Read it and maybe you can calm down a bit. http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/?iid=Popular

    P.S. If only you COULD patch the hole in my neck. Ya know what a hassle it’s been for the past six years? Of course you’d need to give me either a new pair of lungs or a straight spine to go with it. My guess is roof patching would be the easier choice for you. ;-)

  51. Would you blow Obama if he asked you?

    Oh sorry .. forgot to answer this question. I wouldn’t blow Jesus if he asked me to so the answer is no.

    Although I must admit I DID have a bit of a man-crush on one of my wife’s co-workers back in the day. :-)

  52. You use conservative instead of Republican like the words are interchangeable, they are not!

    Fair criticism. I’ll try to be more careful henceforth. I DO think Republicans who are not conservative (i.e. are moderate) expose themselves to danger in the current climate. Hence for all intents and purposes if you’re gonna be a Republican in 2012 politics, you’re gonna be a conservative or claim you are one — a very “severe” conservative. ;-)

  53. @65 the Fortune article is like holy scriptures for you leftiess,Jesus Christ give it up! Best case scenario in EbanWorld is DoJ is STILL guilty of gun walking if not via ATF than FBI and DEA. So basically DoJ should just cough it all up and if it makes Issa & Co. look good or like shit so be it.
    @67 well you can embrace TP and Kos Rutherford since they too are trying to see boogeyman where there isn’t. No matter the source any honest evaluation should come to the logical conclusion that Issa isn’t a saint but he isn’t guilty of a conspiracy here.
    Past efforts indicate that although he hated on Dodd/Frank he actually stood for the public vis a vis the FOIA part.Issa was a player in calling out AIG.
    If you actually read the letter that has people miffed you’ll see it opens with being in line with the law as written.
    Lastly even the story breakers at ThinkProgress have come to terms with the name change thing.
    Bottomline a congress critter employed a big gun but not for a connection to Wall St,more likely to write detailed reports that are well beyond elected officials whose number count those that think 7,000 marines can make an island flip over. Haller take the job for a reason? Yeah he’s a power player who knows a good cv is everything. False nobles bemoan this in their democracy. Grow the fuck up.

  54. @ 68 I’m trying to win a cookie here Rutherford although I concede I presented the comment to have a constructive criticism angle.
    I would agree that many many zip codes have been laid under the control of “conservative” dogma. This is unfortunate for the Party and America in my opinion,then again this coming from a guy who doesn’t identify himself as a conservative.The Nevada and Delaware races were good examples of that. I think Luger deserved elimination. Maine is pretty blue so Snowe/Collins is actually no surprise and that is backed up by Angus King being the likely choice ((I) not really)

  55. Mine was too.

    Ours in 1989 was one of the first in which the name was used. Another in 1993 developed in southwest Nebraska near the Colorado border and raced into Iowa at as much as 78 to 80 MPH. The Omaha storm which frightened Olympic swimmers was traveling so fast that thunderstorm warnings extended almost a hundred miles ahead of the storms.

    In any thunderstorm, if you see a radar image wherein the storm bows out in the middle of the line expect a good chance of wind. The “bow echo” is one of the markers meteorologists use when deciding whether or not to issue a warning.

  56. @ the weather crew. The derecho thing was news to me although I’ve experienced the things I never knew they had a name.
    Did get me thinking though (and seeing as thesis a political blog) I ask is there a better example of why the USA public ed system is so sad? I spent some time on NOAA and just thought, do kids really have access to knowing the jobs tied up in the science of weather?
    All through MS and HS I had a firm grip on a number of potential careers and I imagine I never knew a thing about literally a ton + of other careers.
    My eldest is actually leaning towards what would be deemed a modern knowledge economy career track. I’ve no idea how he plotted it and sadly neither does he,or at least he can’t articulate it. Still he’s in good shape to gather the skills that can be plugged into a number of places.
    Sorry for the ramble…sometimes you really do just go hmmm.

  57. The symbolism in the Ron Paul video was compelling. The odds of Ron Paul becoming the Republican nominee are as great as a TV obviously made in the early 1960’s with dials on the front, being powered by a remote control. ;-)

  58. LOL Alfie I wouldn’t say the Fortune piece is holy scripture but it was the first journalistic attempt (to my knowledge) to get deep underneath F&F and put some things in perspective.

    While I understand that ATF has a spotted past, I do find it most revealing that it is hard for them to do their job because of current gun laws that make these “straw buyers” beyond the reach of the law.

    I admit to being puzzled by the apparently defensive posture taken by DOJ on this but I don’t believe any grand conspiracy underlies it.

    And to those who keep saying “people died” I have a pretty good hunch the folks killed by F&F guns, including law enforcement, is a SMALL fraction of the total killed in the gun fueled drug wars that have been ongoing for years now.

  59. @78 but like I said best case scenario is ATF isn’t the pariah…but Justice still needs to answer.The conspiracy is the contempt the bureaucracy has for the People. This is a great example of why the Founders believed so strongly in limited government.
    For me personally I think Holder needs to go. Just go,I’m not looking for jail or anything like that. Hell even if the last page requested that is being kept locked up painted Holder completely innocent he still needs to go.
    Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES can Holder stay if Obama is reelected.
    As for numbers I don’t want to play the morality game. I must say though that even if the cartels got them other ways too,”walking” Barretts is a no brainer. .50 cal rifle dude,google it,I’m pro gun yet I don’t think anyone other than US Special Forces should have that freaking thing.

  60. I read from the previous thread, that pussy Thor thinks I went on sabbatical. :lol: Nope, took a break and went to see my daughter off to Ecuador – with a severely twisted ankle I might add. Now, she is completely immersed with an Ecuadorian family that speaks no English, working in a hospital during the day with few who can speak a word of English. We shall see over the next four weeks, as her mom had to push her (allowed by the TSA) to the gate. Dad is scared shitless.

    For someone that doesn’t read “my stuff” pussy, you sure do seem to keep me on a tight leash. Have I mentioned I think you are possibly the most duplicitous prick I’ve read here? I don’t believe a damn thing you write. I mean, not a damn thing blowhard. Now, read that. :razz:

    P.S. – I’ll bet anyone here, one way or another, Obamacare goes down. And here’s the real kicker. Without turning the ship, American will become Greece. It’s imminent. And get what the first thing to disappear from Greece has been? Medicine and Healthcare. Can’t even get services without cash now.

    And guess who of all people, might be the very first one here impacted by a loss of healthcare? I’ll give you three guesses. It would be a poetic justice of sorts for all of these limp dick Dimocrats without scruple one, crying about no health care, to suddenly find themselves really without access to medicines or healthcare.

  61. Rutherford, I had to leave the other day, but I met to ask you a question. Before the cable service went kaput. Serious question.

    Is there any restriction on what our government can do? Other than the hated forced acknowledge of Christianity, I mean. On my way to Houston the other day, it occurred to me, when it comes to a Dimocratic President, I couldn’t offhand think of one thing that you might find as restriction on Obama if he were for it.

    Not one. Can government force us to buy solar power for instance? Can they force us to buy hybrid cars, if they so dictate? If not, why not?

  62. @Tex that is a good ? I’d love to hear an answer from others here too.Sadly as I’ve said elsewhere clearly the big takeaway from the Roberts decision is they have the right to do it.
    On a personal note hope the ankle is ok. Ecuador has some exciting things going on hope she enjoys her time.

  63. Tex, one of my law partner’s sons just got back from Ecuador — 4 months. He had a tremendous time, and claims to have learned a lot. Like his folks, he’s a pure Ivy league egghead and knew how to make the most of his time (teaching and studying). Total immersion too. Your daughter is surely going to have an incredible life experience, but I understand the concern. My partner went and had all of the shots and whatever else was necessary in the event he needed to make an emergency trip down. I gave him a hard time but can’t fault him.

  64. The odds of Ron Paul becoming the Republican nominee are as great as a TV obviously made in the early 1960′s with dials on the front, being powered by a remote control.

    I know you get all your information from the mainstream media and that is what they have convinced the public. But it isn’t that cut and dry. Next month will very interesting, to say the least.

    Don’t count your chickens (or in this case turkeys) before they hatch, is not just an old wive’s tale. It ain’t over yet.

    I listened to this hearing on fractional reserve banking today, along with several other hearings on the federal reserve and was very impressed with the presentation and information. I think it should be required learning for everyone involved in our economy. The man is tireless. Talk about a good fight!

  65. Tex, in my next-to-last assignment in corp America I worked closely with some folks from Ecuador. Their English was dicey but they were very professional and on the ball. Good people too. From my understanding, it’s like working in Boulder there … high mountains, not much oxygen. Your daughter will do fine although I don’t blame you for being nervous.

    Who twisted the ankle, you or your daughter?

    I’ll get to your political questions sometime tomorrow. I’ve got to get to bed and rest up for my sociology mid-term exam tomorrow. I don’t know how the hell you went back to school (much less med school) as a grown man. My 51 year old brain is fried and this is just a damn watered-down intro college course. :-(

  66. “I will agree that the country has all the ingredients it needs….I think we split when it comes to the choice of menu and cooks though.” – Alfie

    Fair enough. Especially on the beverage page. Tea on yours. Hemp juice on mine. :)

    But if this is the case, I don’t understand your pessimism. I believe you are predicting a Romney win and Romney is your cook, correct? Or are you saying it will be too late?

  67. “I love Al Stewart.” – PF

    Pf, Adding this new revelation to your already stated passion for flying, I would imagine “Flying Sorcery” is high on your list of favorites. It constructs a nexus between the two subjects.

  68. “Thor I would have to agree with on REM’s “Out of Time”.” – R

    My favorite song on the CD is “Near Wild Heaven”. “Belong” baffles me.

    I remember at Clinton’s first inaugural ball, Stipe and Natalie Merchant did a duet of “To Sir With Love.” Very cool. At the risk of going totally Casey Kasem, maybe I’ll try to dig it up.

  69. Rutherford opined:

    “The odds of Ron Paul becoming the Republican nominee are as great as a TV obviously made in the early 1960′s with dials on the front, being powered by a remote control.”

    Why, thanks for the support, Rutherford. In point of fact, my cousin, who owned a small cable-tv company in rural West Virginia in the ‘sixties, had just such a TV. It was a Zenith Space Command. Being a little electronics geek back then, I was fascinated with how the remote worked. He told me it had little bars in it that were struck by hammers when he pushed the buttons. Drove the dog crazy; Jim’s dog, ol’ Snoopy, hated it. I think it had three buttons. Let’s see here……….no, it had four.

    “The Space Command transmitter used no batteries; inside the transmitter were four lightweight aluminum rods that emitted high-frequency sounds when struck at one end. Each rod was a different length to create a different sound that controlled a receiver unit built into the television.”

    So, who do you think will be Paul’s VP pick?

  70. re: Flying Sorcery. I have listened to that song at least a hundred times over the years during my flying craziness-es. I can’t believe some of the crazy shit I did. I look back and it doesn’t seem like that was ME.

    When I was in med school I built a hang glider from some aluminum aircraft tubing and “visqueen’ plastic drop cloth. It looked pretty sketch, but was easy to fly and never let me down. I flew it a fair amount but never had any lessons. An older friend of mine tried it and crashed, destroying his forearm bones.

    Later I built an “Easy Riser” glider and flew it with an old 20HP snowmobile engine.

    One of my ham radio friends, Jerry F., was chair of Aero Engineering at WVU and was horrified at a non-pilot trying to fly a tailless flying wing under power, controlling via weight shift. He helped me design a canard for the front, figuring I had the best chance of survival with a stall-resistant design like that.

    I don’t think Al Stewart did much after the Year of the Cat album. I thought he was going to be a mega-superstar, but he kind of faded out. His sound was unique, lyrics just wonderful, voice one-of-a-kind. What a shame he has just faded out from the mainstream.

  71. 78

    People died because our government ended their lives though its incompetence. Cause and effect mattered in this case. If I hit you with my car and flee the scene can I escape punishment because other people were also injured by hit and run drivers?

    Most of those people would still be alive were it not for our DOJ. They deserve justice.

    As I wrote before, that article was a whitewash.The writer doesn’t know all of the facts because the records are sequestered. It puts the scandal into the writer’s perspective, and since your bias agrees with the author’s conclusions, you think the article puts things in perspective. Bunk!

    Pfessor, Al Stewart is Scottish , and he didn’t fade away. He continued his career in Europe. His web site advertises his latest CD — “Uncorked Al Stewart Live with Dave Nachmanoff”.

    T Rex had only one hit in the US, but they made so much money in England lead singer Mark Dolan moved to the US to escape high taxes.Roxette is another band still making a living in Scandinavia though they are largely forgotten here.

    I still like LuLu’s version of “To Sir With Love” because of the movie.

  72. “With all of Obama’s rhetorical brilliance and flash, he went into the phone booth (the White House) as Superman and came out as Clark Kent.”

    — Presidential historian Fred I. Greenstein

    IMO, the ‘S’ didn’t stand for Superman. It stood for Statist. :grin:

  73. Rutherford, I entered grad school after four years in the Air Force. It was hard competing with people who were younger and who had not been out of school. since kindergarten. Students had to earn A’s and B’s to stay with the program. It was hard, and I was only 27.

    My hat is off to you. At 51, you are the man!

  74. I looked it up. Al Stewart’s last CD as of 2009 earned four stars and the critic rated “Year of the Cat” at four and a half stars. The writer described Al’s forty-year career as unusually varied and prolific. Not bad for a 66-year old geezer.

  75. It was my daughter’s ankle, Rutherford. Had it been mine, I would have been forced to remain in Houston and let my wife wait on me hand and foot for weeks, while Mick the Mutt and I sat around at the pool. :twisted: Damn.

    Talk about Murphy’s Law. This is a kid who has run marathons, was an excellent basketball player and point guard for the high school basketball team, all state cross country runner and track star, blah blah blah. And the only injury my daughter ever received of note was getting her front tooth cracked in a basketball game.

    Then the day she is leaving for Ecuador, gets out of bed, said she didn’t realize her foot was asleep, stood up and collapsed. :mad: Boyfriend comes over, takes her to minor emergency where her parents discover our copay has gone up from $50 to $150 (thank you Pres. Obama, your highness). Emergency doc said he couldn’t believe the ankle wasn’t broken.

    How daughter is supposed to work in a hospital playing doctor on crutches, I have no idea.

    Thank you guys for good word about Ecuador – makes me feel better because I don’t know a damn thing about it.

    Daughter says the hosting family is very nice. I guess this is how they make their living. Daughter also said it was like 48 degrees. Rio Bamba is at 9,000 feet. Sounds nice about right now.

  76. @thor my pessimism stems from a number of issues that combined have real synergy that just adds that extra layer of love.
    I want Romney to win and think I know what states called toss ups he needs and has a chance to snag.When I’ve pointed that out I’ve always meant to stress he has the harder slog but its doable.

    Contrary to the similarities harped on in the media and punditry circles (esp. paulists) Romney offers a different set of chain reactions if elected but…..
    No matter the Oval occupant I don’t see great congressional change in either sides advantage which will be a problem.

    America isn’t set to make the hard decisions it needs to and sadly time is coming that the choices will be made for us. I believe the two broad areas that matter most are defense/diplomacy and the economy.[ps I view these as intrinsically linked] The former being a chess game Obama has made both good and bad moves on but in a final grade has scored very poorly for the future. The latter has a lot of baggage to it. I feel we need to have a shift or two and do a real gut check on what model we use. If you accept that the US is primarily based in the knowledge/service model (and I for one sadly accept this to be true) our growth and potential will be short lived secondary to our education system.

    To close, much to the consternation of my British roots I actually don’t like tea. :))

  77. I wonder if Rutherford will ever admit that Obama’s celebrity status accounts for his popularity despite the execrable performance of his administration?

    That is absolutely all that it is, our TV culture is a reflection of that, and it is a pathetic commentary about this country. It has been coming for quite sometime, certainly since the Great Society, and Obama is its climax.

    By the Numbers: A Look at the Democrats’ Health Care Law

    Health Care Costs and Impact on Americans

    $1,200: Increase in health care premiums for an average American family in the year following enactment of the Democrats’ health care law.
    13 percent: Premium increase, in 2016, for individuals and families who buy coverage on their own – compared to if the law hadn’t been enacted at all.
    $118 billion: Additional financial burden saddled onto state budgets from ObamaCare’s Medicaid expansion.
    200 percent: National debt as a percentage of GDP in 2037 despite promise of cost-control from ObamaCare advocates.
    $70 billion: Size of ObamaCare budget gimmick resulting from the failed CLASS program.
    1,019,810: Number of Americans that are at risk of losing their plan, because the plan was denied a waiver from ObamaCare.
    Impact on Employers
    $422.4 billion: Amount that 71 Fortune 100 companies could save by eliminating employer-sponsored health plans and instead paying the $2,000 employer mandate penalty from 2014-2023.
    $28.6 billion: Amount that 71 Fortune 100 companies could save by eliminating employer-sponsored health plans and instead paying the $2,000 employer mandate penalty in 2014 alone.
    4 million to 20 million to 65 million: Number of people in the employer system estimated to lose insurance as a result of ObamaCare, based on two separate analyses provided by CBO and Deloitte.
    800,000: The amount of workers the labor force would be reduced by in 2021, as a result of ObamaCare.
    Taxes
    22: Number of new tax increases in the Democrats’ health care law as originally enacted – a dozen of which violate the President’s pledge not to raise taxes on middle-class Americans.
    $569.2 billion: Gross tax increase over 10 years resulting from the Democrats’ health law, as estimated at the time of enactment. �
    $1 million: Amount of money IRS spent to send out 4 million postcards to small business owners touting their “eligibility” for the Small Business Tax Credit even though IRS knew that many of them would not qualify because of the strict eligibility criteria.
    170,000: Number of small businesses that claimed the credit in 2010, or less than five percent.
    1,278: Number of employees that the IRS reported to TIGTA that it needs in FY12 alone to implement the Democrats’ health care law.
    Why Full Repeal is Still Necessary
    9: Number of provisions that House Republicans passed, and that President Obama has signed into law, that either repeal or defund portions of the law, resulting in more than $52 billion being taken out of ObamaCare.
    $1.8 trillion: Amount of money the Democrats’ health care law is expected to cost over the next 10 years – nearly double the original estimate.
    1311(h): Section of ObamaCare that empowers Washington bureaucrats to decide which doctors and providers can be covered by your health care plan.
    12,000: Approximate number of pages of ObamaCare regulations issued by the Administration.
    Seniors
    9 in 10: Number of seniors with retiree benefits who will lose their retiree prescription drug coverage through their employer under the Democrats’ health care law.
    Approximately 8 in 10: Estimated number of Medicare beneficiaries enrolled in Part D that are paying a higher premium so that 15 percent of beneficiaries can benefit from the change to the donut hole.
    Special Interest Spending
    $3.8 billion: Amount of money available to the Obama Administration to hand out in cut-rate loans, primarily to political allies, to form insurance cooperatives, many of whom do not appear eligible under the law.
    $0: Amount of money left in the Early Retiree Reinsurance Program (ERRP), which was supposed to be in place through 2014, but has already stopped paying new claims after spending $5 billion.
    About half of the entities receiving the subsidies are politically favored friends – unions and state and local governments.

    Anyone being honest, knows that the Obama Healthcare Tax Act is unworkable and unsustainable. Gov’t can’t construct a tax code – now we give them control of healthcare?

    We are already broke as a nation and our fooling ourselves. If Obama should win, the only question that remains to me and my friends, of which I would ask the rest of you not fawning for Obama:

    “What is the threshold that will tip each of you into saying the time has arrived to divest/separate ourselves of this ilk? Are you willing to go down with a sinking ship of fools and dopes?”

  78. I hope your daughter feels better soon, Tex. Things happen, don’t they? Our local television station mentioned an Iraqi veteran who escaped unscathed. Now she has two artificial legs and works with an organization for the handicapped because a drunk driver wrecked her car.

    A CNN poll shows Equador to be one of the best countries for retirees. Prices are low. As of 1999, 62% of the population was listed as poor.

    The capital of Quito can get snow on rare occasions. A blogger showed picture of snow which fell in May, 2009. The snow covered only a small area but was heavy enough to bring down power lines.

    I knew Brits who preferred coffee and didn’t especially like tea.

  79. “Grandma” Torres finished second in her Olympics qualifying heat last night. At 45, many of her competitors weren’t even born when she started competing. As the song goes “I Ain’t as Good I Once Was” by Toby Keith.

  80. “Is there any restriction on what our government can do? . . . Can government force us to buy solar power for instance? Can they force us to buy hybrid cars, if they so dictate? If not, why not?”

    Nope.

    R, I’d love to hear your answer since this seems to be your preferred state of affairs.

  81. “The fundamental problem with the court’s approach[the Obamacare] is this: It saves a statute that Congress did not write.”
    – Justice Kennedy

    And to the left it just doesn’t matter. :roll:

  82. “Belong” baffles me.

    I think “Belong” like many of Stipe’s songs are intended to baffle. I like it though … kind of mood music. I have to admit I’m a sucker for “Shiny Happy People” one of Stipe’s least favorite songs and I also like “Texarkana”. For more mood music, “Low” is great too. I’m guessing this won’t embed but here goes:

  83. PF I had a feeling that TV comment of mine would backfire on me. :-) Poolman, consider PF a friend … he’s got your back.

    In the unlikely event that Paul should be the nominee, look for Jesse Ventura as his VP. :-)

  84. Asking frauds like the host cocksucker any question dealing with anything outside the expediency of the cocksuckee, is a waste of time. It’s all laid out here for all to see. Debate is a complete waste of time. He was and is full of total shit and the brazen truth is all right here on the blog pages.

    Assign any hot topic to a number on dice. Roll the dice. What ever given controversy comes up, peruse this blog.

    1. Tea Party.
    2. The nature of Obamacare.
    3. Gitmo
    4. Waterboarding/ assassination
    5. War
    6. Cheney

    That’s just one die. You could use one of those 24 sided dice from Dungeon and Dragons.

  85. In the unlikely event that Paul should be the nominee, look for Jesse Ventura as his VP.

    Dream team. If that happened, you wouldn’t be able to wipe the smile off of my face. :grin:

  86. Actually if Paul somehow subverted democracy to the point of obtaining the presidency I’d “walk” a Barrett back from Mexico and blow his f@#$ing brains all over the place…just sayin’

  87. Actually Alfie, IF you were following what was happening inside these state caucuses, the established GOP IS subverting democracy. Yeah, that’s right. Railroading and underhanded tactics. Or is that the ‘norm’? I guess if that’s the way they have always rolled…

  88. Poolman would NOT make a good politician. I don’t lie and I don’t do PC very well. You think I’ve made enemies here… :lol:

  89. Judge Napolitano has expressed an interest, along with Jesse Ventura. I like Jesse, but I think Napolitano would be the better VP. Rand would NOT be the choice.

  90. “First of all, you don’t know my “purpose” unless I state it, oh mindreader. Second, I wasn’t repeating a moronic “musing” of an MSNBC commentator … I was asking about a fact that an MSNBC commentator brought up.”

    Bullshit. All I need to do is tune into MSNBC to know your purpose. It tells you what your purpose is.

    As for “facts,” the moronic musings were not “fact,” they were lame attempts to argue the legitimacy of Roberts; opinion by those that don;t know diddly squat nor really care.

    Safe to say you haven;t bothered with your homework assignment, i.e. read the actual opinion and dissents?

  91. Seeing as the caucuses subvert the popular vote and to a degree the Constitution I don’t support them to the extent the subverters do.Alas the GOP establishment has to defend itself against the demented and that isn’t their fault. Face it Paul fanatics with no life have been able to pervert a perverted system.
    State caucuses are a joke,a throw back to times where the party controlled all things. Smoke filled rooms, which still more often than not fully obeyed the popular vote, are replaced with a room full of absolute losers stroking their egos and playing the “me so important” schtick. People being available to go to Tampa in August and being able to withstand the nonsense of a caucus doth not make a democracy,I don’t care how they vote. Fighting over platform planks is different and I actually support Paulists on that note,that debate should be open.
    The “machine” is something I’d think a progressed nation would overthrow,but then again that is one of the big shifts I say America needs to undergo.If Paul were worth the sweat on a horses ass he and his would actually build a third party and truly have a Revolution. Paul has less courage or insane spunk than Perot. That should make you ashamed.
    Bottom line, seriously 9.8+ million to 2 million and your guy deserves the nod?????

  92. Well, I suppose you have a different definition of courage than I. I don’t recall Perot standing up to the FED or the MIC or proposing any legislation that would daylight either.

    Face it, you just don’t like him or the freedom movement. You prefer the big imperial machine.

  93. I don’t like him this true. I also don’t like him for a number of reasons all pretty much centered upon his oversimplified short sighted and often dishonest populist notions. I don’t see where I’ve endorsed the “big imperial machine” in any way shape or form.
    You’ve missed the core of the point from the last though (*117). IF Paul and his followers were SERIOUS they would indeed LEAVE the GOP. START their own PARTY. START a TRUE REVOLUTION as opposed to this fallacy they have going.
    The Paulists specifically and the libertarians in general WILL NEVER wrest the conservative hands from the steering wheel. Best case scenario is that a credible populist third party encourages moderates to put down the golf clubs and roll up their sleeves. If that were to happen the libertarian wings may have a better chance being happy and heard under the “big tent”.

  94. Besides LuLu’s song, i also agree with Rutherford about “Shiny Happy People” but I’m not sure REM liked it.

    Two of my favorites are “Man in the Moon” for its bleak sadness, and “The Great Beyond.” That song describes me when I came home and before I learned to fake it.

  95. Is this place turning in2 a R.E.M. fanzine?
    OK I’ll play. Radio Free Europe,Driver 8,I am Superman and Exhuming McCarthy

  96. To BiW, since Fables has Driver 8 on it, one of my all time favorite REM songs, I must tip my hat to you. I can’t say Fables is my fav album of theirs but it’s up there. Green is a tough one for me. I basically like every other song on that album. Listen to the lyrics to “The Wrong Child”. I always felt that was about a shut-in disabled child. I’ve never read anything to back up my interpretation.

    To Alfie I’d say New Adventures in HiFi (coincidentally the last album that Bill Berry played on) was the end of consistently good REM. Their catalog after that was spotty to say the least with one or two standout songs among a lot of stuff that didn’t have much of a melody. Still, as a loyal fan, I bought them all and I viewed their breakup as bittersweet. I think as one of the band members said, they had basically given all they had to give and it was time to hang it up.

    (Again, I don’t expect this one to embed even though I got lucky on the last one.)

  97. A Canadian woman was a guest on an Omaha radio station. She said her country’s health insurance and care system is fine for colds and minor illnesses, but serious conditions require long waits which will ration care in favor of the physically strongest.

    Each year, one province alone pays $165 million to send patients to the United States. She came here because she wanted to live after she was diagnosed with a brain cancer. Three of her doctors were former Canadians.

    A west coast hospital closed for four months because they exceeded government cost guidelines.

    It is possible that Chief Justice Roberts changed his opinion after pressure from Obama and the news media. If that wild conspiracy theory is true, we are in worse trouble than we imagine.

    Rutherford, with your medical history, your living to see 71 may depend on the outcome of the further political battle after the next election.

  98. James, Man in the Moon appeared first on Automatic for the People, a very melancholy album that came out when my grandmother died. I love the song but the album is hard for me to listen to.

    Good to see how many REM fans we have here. :-) Alfie’s I am Superman and Exhuming McCarthy are pretty obscure choices. Bravo!

  99. Tex would be on the first plane to Canada.

    :grin: After several days of 100 degree + temperatures, I might be any way. When it is 15 degrees cooler in Houston than it is here, you start to feel maybe it’s time to either move up or down.

  100. Well Alfie, the up and coming youth don’t like either party, but history shows a third party candidate doesn’t get much serious consideration. That may change. Both parties are deteriorating.

    The liberty movement is trying to follow the rules and change things from the inside. There are also factions working outside of politics. And yes, they are determined, serious, and it is a true revolution, though it may not suit your parameters.

    And that ‘big tent’ you mention is more a three ring circus. P.T. Barnum couldn’t have been more prophetic.

  101. I think Alfie is dead on regarding the need for Paulists to start a third party. They will never get the GOP to agree with them on foreign policy.

    I must admit to being a bit slow …. I finally got the reason why the EVOL in the Ron Paul rEVOLution is placed in a box. EVOL is backwards for LOVE.

    Now isn’t that sweet?

  102. U2 also? Have you no soul El Tigre?;

    The best part of Canada is the Prairie Provinces. They are part of Rush country.

  103. It is possible that Chief Justice Roberts changed his opinion after pressure from Obama and the news media.

    I’m not sure about the source of the pressure but I have read that particularly if you read the dissenting opinions one can infer that Roberts changed his mind at the last minute. I think it was NBC’s legal correspondent Pete Williams who said this is not unprecedented.

  104. Third parties are notoriously unsuccessful except for the elections they change.

    “Miles Standish proud.” Me too.

  105. There already is a libertarian party. The GOP is not as conservative. They (GOP) prefer empire and don’t want to scale down our global dominance. It has been very progressive, in that manner.

    This will be a historical year for politics, here and abroad, before it’s all over.

  106. For the record, I hate REM. I hate U2 as well.

    This may explain a lot. :-)

    I’m going to take a wild guess and say you like Talking Heads.

  107. A CBS journalist wrote the same thing, Rutherford. I’m not jumping to conclusions, but true or not, if enough people believe such things are real, the court decisions will be more controversial than they have been. This is fertile ground for another 9/11 conspiracy.

  108. @130 Well see this is an example of how you just don’t know me. I’m a big advocate of third party,in fact I’m kinda eurotrash in that I’m a more the merrier kind of guy.

    Rutherford you’ve just figured out the subliminal messaging for Dear Leader? emend me never to tap you for anagram,crypto quote or word jumble help. :)

    I like early U2.

    Maritime Canada rocks. Maine with manners and less weirdo’s. Although in Maines defense their biggest problem is folks from Mass.

  109. Talkin Heads were worth a shit.

    (that’s high praise from me — I’m cirtical bastard when it comes to music. . . okay, I am just a critical bastard).

    Sorry to dissapoint James. I consider U2, REM, Bruce Springsteen, and Gun n Roses the most overrated in the history of R&R.

  110. I just remembered an odd blog written late last month or so. The writer claimed that Roberts has epilepsy and the medication is known to affect memory and cognition.

    The writer thought Democrats in and out of the media were planning to argue that Robert’s decision was based on incompetent thinking influenced by medication.

    I don’t claim its true.

  111. “Rand would NOT be the choice,” why not Poolman? Too much charisma on one ticket? I do agree with you that the 2012 political year is one for the books, and it isn’t over yet.

  112. @ pool man read up on Walter Russell Meade’s schools of FP. (Hamiltonian,Jeffersonian,Wilsonian,Jacksonian)
    I don’t see a credible libertarian party,I see a diverse mix of views and chatter but when it comes to putting rubber on the road they seem to pick a schmuck and then vote republican. WTF is that?
    @ anybody here. Talking Heads SUCK!!!!!
    @James I had a friend that did the marathon combine harvester thing once through the North American prairies he said it all looked the same.

  113. Roberts may have been more clever than I first thought. I heard yesterday when everyone else is playing Checkers, Roberts is playing Chess.

    By getting two libs to side with him on the Commerce Clause abuse, we may have indeed gotten a much larger victory than anyone has yet noticed and set precedent.

    And by the way. Though the decision pissed me off, the final decision is now right where it always should have been. To a vote of the people affected, with a clear delineation that the Obama Health tax is just that – a huge tax on the middle class.

  114. I’ve come to believe Roberts saw his history moment. Bigger than Citizens this was his legacy falling into his lap. He wasn’t letting it fall to the floor.

  115. REM overrated themselves sometimes, but I still like them. I like the others too, but I agree they are over- rated.

    I question including them on a Rock and Roll list. I grew up on real Rock and Roll, not the recycled pap claiming to be rock. Compare any group from Chuck Berry to the Fendermen with REM, Bruce Springsteen, etc and tell me with a straight face that the more recent groups are rockers.

  116. And now to Rabbit, whose recent change in tone makes Noah look like one of my best friends. I’ll play your game and roll the die.

    1. Tea Party. — started as unfocused anger with racist elements; matured into a movement sexy enough to attract some GOP advocates.
    2. The nature of Obamacare — The “nature”? I submit if you don’t support the “nature” of Obamacare you’re a pretty selfish bastard. Why would anyone oppose everyone having access to affordable health care? Now, the implementation of Obamacare — that’s a different story. I’ve said numerous times, a clusterf*ck but the start of something that could become great for this country.
    3. Gitmo — let me repeat for the hard of hearing, I don’t lose sleep over it and I don’t recall devoting a single post to it. I maintain Obama couldn’t close it cos he couldn’t get Congress to appropriate the funds and no one wanted it in their back yard (understandably).
    4. Waterboarding/ assassination — I have consistently stated that Obama has matched or exceeded Bush in the underhanded war tactics. I don’t believe we torture under Obama but we sure as hell kill a lot of people.
    5. War — Basically, see 4.
    6. Cheney — was, is and will always be a pugnacious a$$hole. The only props I give the guy is not throwing his lesbian daughter under the bus. Shows he has some semblance of a heart (even it if’s not his own).

    Now here’s a better die for you to throw Rabbit.

    1. Census worker hanging (which I wrote a “my bad” for).
    2. Palin obsession — I should have stayed off Twitter after Gabby was shot and waited for my head to catch up with my heart. Again, my bad.
    3. Early dismissal and dissing of Tea Party — didn’t see the forest for the racist trees.
    4. Premature love of Occupy — Made me feel I could relive a time I was born too late for … the 60’s. Still love the original sentiment, can’t defend the approach which has for the time being made them irrelevant.
    5. Sometimes too quick to yell “racism” — this is a tough call for me because I really try not to go there but I don’t always succeed. Topic too easily pricks an underlying seething anger at past abuses.
    6. Fell for “hope and change” — similar to 4. The man spoke stuff I hadn’t heard in my lifetime. I was way too naive to realize it just wasn’t going to happen in the real world.

  117. “By getting two libs to side with him on the Commerce Clause abuse, we may have indeed gotten a much larger victory than anyone has yet noticed and set precedent.”

    No comprendo. No doubt, since Wickard v Filburn the CC has been on a death spiral of meaninglessness and liberal abuse, why not vote the majority on both issues? Did I miss something on the breakout?

  118. @148 if I listed the bands I really really like you’d have a lot of ammo methinks.
    Contrary to my personal politics my fave band of all time…The Clash.

  119. Train Vain was better when done by other artists. :lol:

    I never have understood why the Clash were such a force.

    Alfie, in a lot of ways I’m like one of the main characters in High Fidelity. I love picking on others’ collections and tastes. I am a huge snob — but I really am more of jazz head.

  120. Damn Tex … Daughter is great! Also check out Rear View Mirror — a great f*ck off song to an abusive ex lover.

    And yes, The One I Love is the bomb.

    “Saw things so much clearer
    Once you were in my rear view mirror.”

  121. I think Roberts handed Conservatives a victory we don’t yet realize. I don’t argue how Roberts should have ruled the mandate unconstitutional. As you are aware Tigre, I gave up on our entire legal system being about justice and truth years ago. It has failed as big as Obama i my book because it has one huge flaw – subjective human judgment.

    I’m just saying if Roberts swung a deal, and assuming America grabs half a brain and votes this feckless Obama out of office – a man that shouldn’t have been there to begin with – last Thursday was a huge win for smaller government proponents.

    Rutherford has forgotten his greatest breach, because it was done with such arrogance. The Republican party going the way of the Whigs.

  122. Rutherford, if the demographics had not changed so radically the last 30 years, and I would add America is much, much the worse for it as attested to by one look out your window and a scan around any town, a man of such low character and little truth like Obama the narcissist would never have been considered President, much less elected.

    America is in huge trouble whether Romney wins or not. We’re two steps from becoming a banana republic in my book.

    Barack Obama is at best a man of average intelligence, little decency, and no real skills other than feigning cool, and you know it. If you don’t recognize it, you’re not very smart.

    Our celebrity worshiping culture is the only thing that put this sham of ‘greatness’ there. Obama is a weak man, fool and a Chicago thug with the full backing of the Dim machine – which is corrupt as hell and has been for 60 years.

    The party of Kennedy no longer exists.

  123. Just to be on the record, my guess that El Tigre liked Talking Heads was not meant as a dis. I happen to like them. I just figured El Tigre might lean toward the more intellectual esoteric bands. Looks like I got that one wrong.

    Tigre, who DO you like?

  124. I’ve heard pundits saying what Tex said on Roberts and the commerce clause. The SCOTUS basically said enough is enough, you can’t justify everything under the CC.

  125. I never have understood why the Clash were such a force.

    Its like I don’t even know who you are anymore.

    But the best band playing today is hands down Blue Rodeo.

    And if you’re a jazzhead, check their track “Pirahnna Pool”.

  126. OK, I’m gone for a while. Some last minute study and then I take this blasted mid-term. The f*cker isn’t even for a real grade, doesn’t go on any transcript and really doesn’t matter worth a damn and yet my stomach’s been in knots about it. Too many flashbacks to college exams for which I was woefully unprepared. :-(

    (At least I have a half-assed understanding of the subject matter here. Hopefully the exam won’t be too tough.)

  127. Hey Captain Fruad, add this to your list of colossal fuck ups. Obama bankrupted us. Alphie, you don’t think the libertarians will ever take the reigns? There will be no other choice but libertarianism. Baby boomer vampire fucks might reach their dirt nap with a smile on their rotted corpses. Maybe. Tex is right. Obamacare will vanish. I can’t wait to see the looks in liberal rat fink faces when the pyramid collapses. Oh the lisping cries for a Nanny that has imploded will be music to my ears. And maybe, jusy maybe, the savages will attempt to just take by force and, by means of defense, I can make a necklace out ears.

  128. Look at the bright side of The Obamacare Health TAX – one of the families that is going to get popped the hardest vis-a-vis disposable income/expense?

    The Poolman family.

    Mofo helped put this prick there and to this day defends his failure. Now Poolman can help pay for it. Days of freeloading might be quickly coming to an end.

  129. I’m not a Clash fan. I’m tainted from working one of their shows where the performance sucked and the low turnout made them angry at those who did show. BTW it was a free show.

    I am a fan of older U2 and had their stuff before it was mainstream. I think they went too political and commercial. I still like much of their stuff. The Joshua Tree was the first ever CD I bought and still enjoy.

    I love Talking Heads. I’m a Bowie fan, too. I like plenty of genres. REM is cool and Pearl Jam, too. Genesis, The Who, CSNY, Soundgarden, Audioslave,… Too many to list. I also have a huge ‘Christian’ music collection. Hendrix famously said Phil Keaggy was the best guitarist he ever met.

  130. Tex,

    I’m in process of putting MIL in a care facility due to advancing Alzheimer’s. After reading 164, maybe you should get an appointment with a neurologist. Just sayin…

  131. @ET I don’t really dig that tune but for covers their take on I Fought the Law was always cool.
    Closest I came to liking jazz was lying that I did to get a girl.
    @ dead rabbit I think libertarians can’t take it by themselves but are truly better served staying within the GOP and influencing the planks. I don’t see Paul et al as Libertarian though.

  132. I’m in process of putting MIL in a care facility due to advancing Alzheimer’s.

    That’s a shame – sorry to hear it. Just saw the other day they’re beginning to attribute chronic stress and Alzheimer’s.

    Having you as an SIL leeching off the SS checks must have been pure hell all these years.

  133. “Tigre, who DO you like?”

    I love Steely Dan.

    As for “rock,” there’s plenty too. Rock to me is about energy as much as anything else. Somebody here mentioned Rush — and although I haven;t thought of them in a long, long time I think they had some really cool stuff. Same with Yes and a lot of the funk and power horns (Tower of Power, Matrix etc.). Not much out there for me know though. Nothing much sounds edgy or unique to me anymore. It’s all a variation of candy.

    (btw, I do like Talking Heads — just not huge fan. When I said “worth a shit” that really was serious, and if you knew me better you’d understand that some would consider that big praise).

  134. “Closest I came to liking jazz was lying that I did to get a girl.”
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Do you still have a number? It never got me laid.

  135. I like Steely Dan too and Red Hot Chili Peppers.

    If Obama wins the election, we will be singing “Do It Again” while we are “Reelin in the Years” waiting for final deliverance from progressives’ “Dirty Work.”.

  136. ” The f*cker isn’t even for a real grade, doesn’t go on any transcript and really doesn’t matter worth a damn and yet my stomach’s been in knots about it”

    Don’t overthink it. I was in a veritable tizzy in my “social science” class in undergrad, constantly in a fight with the grad student, one “Diane Onion.” You couldn’t make that name up. The prof was too lazy to teach the class, so Diane did the honors, if I may be excused a little license. She was a HUGE, highly pissed-off black chick who didn’t much like white folks and white males all the lesser.

    I was trying to get in med school and it looked like I wasn’t even going to pass, let alone get a decent grade.

    I finally got good and stoned and thought a bit…and had a little epiphany. After that point, any open-ended test or quiz question was answered from the following POV: 1)an problem presented is solved by more federal money, after a study of course. A new give-away program is in order always. 2) whatever the problem, it is Whitey’s fault because he has oppressed everyone else. I am not making up a single word of the above; that’s how it rolled.

    Got my “A.” Didn’t even hurt all that much. No wonder I have such disdain for the Left.

  137. re: Steely Dan. Luv ‘em. Started collecting all my favorite songs about ten years ago; “Go Back Jack” leads the parade of ~ 200. LOOOOOVE “FM.” My new fave is “Don’t Take me Alive.” Oddly I had never heard it until a few years ago.

    Anybody know where The Dan got its name?

    Marshall Tucker?

    Jethro Tull?

    ZZ Top?

    Led Zepp?

    Uriah Heep?

    Enquiring minds want to know!

  138. I finally got good and stoned and thought a bit…and had a little epiphany. After that point, any open-ended test or quiz question was answered from the following POV: 1)an problem presented is solved by more federal money, after a study of course. A new give-away program is in order always. 2) whatever the problem, it is Whitey’s fault because he has oppressed everyone else. I am not making up a single word of the above; that’s how it rolled.

    :lol: :lol:

    I did the exact same thing on the ‘Verbal Reasoning’ portion of the MCAT, Pfesser. The exact same thing. I picked the most socialist answer there was, and presto.

    I would read some of that humanities crap they lay on us poor students, pick the most ridiculous sounding, lefty pinko response – always with the liberal English instructor in mind, and invariably get the right answer. I got an outstanding score doing that.

    Until that time where I actually tried to apply real logic and cold verbal reasoning, the best I had been able to answer was an ‘8’.

    I swear that is a true story.

  139. “Led Zepp?”

    Didn’t one of their early producers say that whatever they thought their band name should be would “go over like a lead balloon or zeppelin?”

    I assume Uriah Heep was named after the charcter in David Copperfield.

  140. The Tex Taylor Postulate:

    The louder the wailing and gnashing of teeth, the greater the whining and moaning, the more ‘progressives’ marginalize or discount the argument, the closer you have gotten to the absolute truth.

    Hence, we will not miss the videos of Bill Whittle. :razz:

    In my part of the country, this is not required. We loathe Obama and suspected him a charlatan from the start, which he now has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. B.O. be lucky to get 30% of the November vote in my home state, and Texas would elect an illegal before Obama. But Rabbit, Pfesser, BIC – you guys are in potential swing states.

    I’m with Bill Whittle – hopefully you feel the same.

  141. Rabbit, how is Obama bankrupting us MY f*ckup? Besides, Bush bankrupted us. Obama is just presiding over the end result disaster.

    You’re beginning to sound pathological. Is Leo keeping you up at night? Seriously dude. You need a Valium.

  142. R, please, pull your head out. Bush’s worst deficit was 480 billion- and it was going down. Obama has been between 1.3 and 1.8 trillion every year. Bush racked up 4 trillion in debt- indeed inexcusable- in 8 years. Obama will have surpassed 6 trillion in just 4.

    There is no comparison except to say Bush is a rank armature when it comes to running up massive debts…

  143. I’m a pretty big Pink Floyd fan. In fact, going to see Roger Waters in a couple weeks. VERY stoked!

  144. Dark Side of the Moon is awesome. Of course, the Wall is great too. I’ll listen to some of the eclectic stuff too, like Umma Gumma, bnut you really have to be in the mood for it.

  145. Sorry for missing the new thread, was scrolled down on the last hitting refresh. From my last there.

    Now that we have punitive taxation approved by our supreme court, how long do you think before we start having debtor’s prisons? I bet 10 years tops.

    Also Rutherford could I get a response on the previous thread 140. Thanks

  146. Days of freeloading might be quickly coming to an end.

    You accidentally stumbled upon one of the main features. Since you hate Obama, just listen to Romney explain the MA program and maybe you’ll become a fan.

  147. Tigre, with the jazz jones you have, I completely understand the affinity for Steely Dan. The progressive rock bands Yes, ELP and to some extent Kansas incorporate jazz elements so again, very understandable.

    Am I right you’re not a big lyrics guy? You’re more interested in the instrumentation?

    I love piano/bass/drum trios. I went through a major Oscar Peterson phase. Saw him in concert twice.

  148. Bravo BiW … old PF screwing with my lousy memory again. I vaguely remembered Steely Dan being a contraceptive device (i.e. chastity belt) but you are correct Sir … it was indeed a dildo.

    Wasn’t Jethro Tull an agricultural icon of some sort?

  149. I’m 99% sure I’ve said this before but the main thing that pisses me off about Whittle is that soft voice he uses to deliver his garbage. If you’re gonna call me a bastard, at least raise your voice to do it.

  150. You know the main reason I gave my original immature response to the SCOTUS ruling (“suck on it”)? Because all you guys were so arrogantly cocksure the court would rule in your favor and not only did you get it wrong but the guy you thought was an ace in the hole turned on you. There isn’t much more pleasurable than seeing that kind of arrogance served a kick in the nuts. And as Whittle whimpers, you guys are devastated. I almost hope Obama loses in November just to stop the rash of depression fueled suicides that would result on the right.

  151. “Am I right you’re not a big lyrics guy? You’re more interested in the instrumentation?”

    Yes. But great lyrics are. . . great. They tend to be secondary to me though.

  152. BIW, ET – One kewpie doll for each of you.

    ….I always wanted to be called “Steely Dan.” Oh well….

    Marshall Tucker – found a scrap of paper after a show with the name, “Marshall Tucker” on it. Nothing else, not even a phone #. Pretty sure that’s right – it was on an old House of Blues call-in.

    Led Zepp – Yep, you guys should go over like a lead balloon.

    ZZ Top – Two most popular rolling papers? Why, Zig-Zag and Top, of course…

    Uriah Heep? A character in a Dickens novel, David Copperfield. A most loathsome fellow, but he had a cool name and the copyright on it had expired.

    Jethro Tull? Englishman who invented the corn drill. Who knew?

  153. an800lbgorrila and rabbit were right Rutherford.Bush did not bankrupt the United States and neither has Obama.

    I hope you were paying attention. gorrila neglected to mention the projected course of Obama’s deficits. They are massive.

    I never knew MCAT called for a political ideology either.

    I love “The Wall.” In honor of gorrila, The Gorrilaz.

  154. “Because all you guys were so arrogantly cocksure the court would rule in your favor. . .”

    I don’t think any such “cocksuredness” exists.

    The funny thing is the basis for the ruling. Even your beloved Messiah didn’t see that one coming, nor did the drafters of this piece of shit that thought they had solid footing on CC grounds.

    If I weren’t getting the same thing, I’d say “you deserve what you get.”

  155. I’m a pretty big Pink Floyd fan. In fact, going to see Roger Waters in a couple weeks. VERY stoked!

    Gorilla needs an 8 year old. We’re going to see the American Idol tour next Saturday night. My kid loves the country singer who didn’t win (Skylar Laine).

  156. We saw ZZ Top at the Sturgis motorcycle rally around 1991. They drove their ZZ Top car to Rapid City from Wall Drug with an honor guard of about twenty bikers.

  157. Noah, regarding 140 from the prior thread: sometimes the messenger is so odious that the message truly needs to be ignored. Put the same message in better hands, and I might pay attention.

    There was some truth in Trump’s comment … in fact, to be honest, the comment was so cleverly constructed I have to doubt that Trump actually said it. Trump is a boorish fool. I’m ashamed that I watch his show religiously but I find it addictive.

    I’m not going to bother with a line by line since the overall statement is a cynical comment not qualifying as constructive criticism. I’m pretty sure the 16,000 IRS agents have been debunked.

    The notion we don’t have enough doctors to care for our citizens in need is a problem that goes way beyond the ACA. The implied idea that we should keep the system broken so we don’t have to have more doctors is absurd.

  158. Gorilla, you might be jealous that I was in Berlin for the Wall at the Wall concert in the summer of 1990. Wow was that a long, hot, crazy, fun day. I wish I could re-live it.

    Got there and near the stage at sometime around noon. When dusk came on, and the concert was preparing to start, I believed at one point we might be crushed to death. I remember my feet coming off the ground while the crowd surged. Terrifying. Things settled down later.

    A lot of technical glitches, but it was a very memorable experience since it proved to be a reunion with my friends. We were all together when the Berlin wall actually fell in the fall of 1989. God I love Euorpean women.

    I still have a giant hunk of the Berlin wall that I hammered down. Customs didn’t know what to do with it when I dragged it through. They were prepared to smash into smaller pieces to look for something hidden inside. I told them that would be okay since I could give pieces to my friends for mementos. They decided that was too much trouble and let me lug that block home intact.

  159. “Of course, the Wall is great too. I’ll listen to some of the eclectic stuff too, like Umma Gumma,”

    Is that the one that has the small animals in a cave with a water pict or something?

    Jethro Tull has something to do with a farm implement, like calling your band the Massey Fergusons. Led Zeppelin had something to do with the the Who I believe.

    Lynyrd Skynyrd was named after a teacher. Maybe there will be a band called the Dead Rabbits some day.

    ET, do you like Little Feat’s “Waiting for Columbus”? The Tower of Power was their horn section on that live album.

    Found it.

  160. It is absurd to smash an already broken system as Obama has just done. You are feeding us a red herring when you defend Obamacare by telling us we “should keep the system broken.” No one I know has said that. How does herring taste fried, or is it better poached?.

    How do you know the 16,000 IRS agents have been debunked? I don’t know if they have been or not, but the IRS will have more enforcement duties than it had. How will they complete their mission without more staff?

    Has anyone seen the video of “Sometime Around Midnight” by Airborne Toxic Event? The song describes a true situation and the singer’s temporary breakdown. . I suspect you on the left will react similarly after you realize the Light Master has led us into perdition.

  161. ET – very cool re: your experiences at The Real Wall.

    along those lines – Pink Floyd – named after two bluesmen, Pink Anderson, Floyd Council.

  162. ” those memories come rushing like feral waves to your mind…and you feel homeless and hopeless….”

    Its coming like “Sometime Around Midnight”, and you will bitterly remember the golden days and wonder why you could let them betray you. It will be small comfort, but I will delight in saying “I told you so.”

  163. “ET, do you like Little Feat’s “Waiting for Columbus”? The Tower of Power was their horn section on that live album.”

    Can’t say that I have.

    p.s. Tower of Power is more than a horn section, but it is its claim to fame.

  164. Obamacare is simple. The same game plan the baby boom vampires always employ. Raid the good health of young people and force them to pay for the old sick fuckers, as they enjoy their pensions and social security.

    It’s a generational war. This young generation, for all the bad press they get, should be getting their ass kissed by the boomers. They are bank rolling their unsustsianble life styles while they volunteer to fight war after war (they don’t spit on one another when they return home).

    Personally, I’m techincally last of the vampires. I swear to God, I will enjoy the day my pension implodes just to see the look on the faces of my entitled and clueless colleagues.

  165. R, on the way to the concert, explain to your little girl how much money she has loaned Daddy so that Daddy can have a life style that her generation can’t enjoy.

  166. You can’t accuse me of arrogance, Brotha “R”. I never said a word about prediction of verdict – just that Obama loses either way. Go back and read the thread – Mr. Tigre said the same thing. All I said afterward is that I believe that little smug smile on your ugly mug is going to disappear in about 125 days.

    Did you flunk your soci test, Rutherford? :razz: I read an ominous warning of wailing and gnashing in your tone. You’ll note I haven’t been the least bit ferocious in the Health TAX act by Obama. We can now say it’s a tax without debate – the biggest one on the middle class in U.S. history. Abput 1.7 trillion with another $500 billion in medicare cuts. Those same stink stars out waving their banners for Obamacare in front of the Supreme Court are just about to find out their freeloading days are over.

    We as a nation are in dire straights, even if you’re too mathematically challenged and beholden to the racists like Holder and the black caucus to recognize it – a caucus equally as racist as Bull Connor. The system you propose for everything – more government – has proven to be both unworkable and unsustainable. Medicare is going broke – Medicaid on life support.

    Now get back to your studying – you were born to be a sociologist. :twisted:

  167. Oh, to correct myself, I might have predicted some months back I thought the SCOTUS would overturn ObamaCare. I forget the little pedantic poet, who might go back months through hundreds of posts to prove me wrong. :wink:

    But certainly not the last weeks, Brotha ‘R’. I know too well how f~~ked up our court system is…

  168. Give us more Solyndra and BongoCare!!!!!!

    In other news…

    US factory output at three-year low

    What was that the poet was saying about our roaring economy by the hand of Moses Obama?

    In a shock to economists who were expecting manufacturing growth to slow moderately, the Institute for Supply Management’s survey on the US industrial sector reported a large decline in activity from 53.5 in May to 49.7 in June – its lowest level since the recession ended in mid-2009.

  169. I don’t need no stinking ;pension and will take Social Security at 70 because they government says we can’t wait longer. Its going to be rough on a lot of people. I hope most of them have kids to move in with after they have stolen their birthright.

  170. Most people in Massachusetts like their Romneycare, it is the same thing as Obamacare, so give it a chance. As things are at present your insurance premiums are paying for all the deadbeats without insurance, that is why they are so costly. And the same is true of co-pays, just saying, don’t blame me, I’m just the messenger.

  171. Most people in Massachusetts like their Romneycare, it is the same thing as Obamacare, so give it a chance.

    No, I don’t think I will.

    Its a bad idea, made worse by deliberately poor execution, which will ultimately result in a single payer system….run by the same geniuses who brought you the Post Office, and as well managed as Social Security.

    And they only had to out and out lie, weedle, change the rules, and bribe people who work for us to get it passed in the first place.

    And then there is the whole “they don’t have the authority” to do it issue.

    But hey, what could go wrong?

  172. Newt, if your name isn’t Sensico in a past day, your next of kin. No, our premiums are not expensive because of people without health care. It’s far more complicated than that.

    That was one of the dumbest statements I’ve read here. And with Poolman in company, reading daily dumb ass reports is common place around here.

    When you can convince me your messiah Obama and his minions are more capable of making better decisions for me and my family, then I will listen to flunkies people like you. But the federal government and our state governments have proven themselves time and again as grossly incompetent in virtually every capacity.

    Let’s work on separating your from me amicably. How’s that strike you?

    Adding 30,000,000 people to health care will not lower costs by a long shot. :roll: Liberal arts major? Sociologist?

  173. Absolutely love Little Feat. Gives me chills thinking about “Spanish Moon.”

    OK, guys, don’t boo me off the blog, but I have been in love with this chick since I got my first erection.

  174. Here non Newt, or whatever the hell your name is. You want to know why our health care is so damn expensive? Here’s one reason:

    A record of 8,733,461 workers took federal disability insurance payments in June 2012, according to the Social Security Administration. That was up from 8,707,185 in May.

    And you want more government dependency? You people are not only confused. You’re certifiably stupid. And Obama and his thugs are a large part of the cause.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/8733461-workers-federal-disability-exceed-population-new-york-city

  175. And you wonder why I find our judicial system politicized and corrupt?

    Of the 93 U.S. Federal Attorneys,

    Fforty-seven of these attorneys have not donated any money to any candidates for office in the past six years, according to records available from the Center for Responsive Politics. Collectively, the remaining 46 have donated $235,651 to President Obama, the DNC, and Democratic candidates since January 1, 2007. Not one has donated to any Republican candidate. Of the 46 who donated, 36 donated to President Obama’s presidential campaign in 2008, or his reelection campaign this year, or both, for a total of $77,782.

  176. Rutherford 201. Since you lack the ability to see past the man to look at the message, might I suggest you not comment at all if the message is beyond your capabilities to debunk. I dont need to know your particular choice for an excuse each time around, you either do, or you do not. These are VERY key points to this topic and you have no grounds for your opinion if you cannot take on these points.

    I also noted your lack of comment to Whittle’s video. Why is it when any reason argument is presented, you take the low road and make some meaningless comment? We all know the reason why, really we do. You KNOW, your point of view only holds water for so far, and when too much logic, or too much light is shed on it, it falls apart completely. You have believed for so long that the Leftist way is right that you cannot/will not risk an honest conversation/evaluation of your stated beliefs.

    This is why so many people consider you disingenuous, and a fraud. I am asking you to step up, or at least admit your arguments are all emotion based with no sound reasoning behind them at all.

  177. @216 not for nothing Newt or not your position is over simplistic and overly optimistic.
    Statistics bear out that MA residents still have a favorable view of health care reforms (52%) and larger % state he has been a good thing (70-73 % range).
    This isn’t the full story though.
    Small businesses are still in an unfair position,the favorability ratings isn’t isolated on those that got insurance via “RomneyCare”,the % targeted in MA would be enviable for Obama.
    There are huge differences.

  178. “As things are at present your insurance premiums are paying for all the deadbeats without insurance, that is why they are so costly.”

    Yeah. Every economist knows pouring trillions of mandated dollars into a government managed service lowers costs. :roll:

    It’s like I stepped through the Looking Glass.

  179. Also where did the idea that “this is a good first step” come in? Once this juggernaut is in place, there’ll be no way to unfuck it. Does anyone really believe this is a try and see if it works option?

  180. Blow shit up.

    :lol: Very true indeed. I don’t think that helps humanity much though.

  181. All I know is hospitals must meet their costs, some even expect to make a profit, but they have a problem, they cannot turn down patients. So those with the means to pay are charged more, or rather their insurance provider is charged more to make up for what the hospital cannot collect. Naturally, insurance companies simply raise premiums and co-pays. It really is that simply and until someone comes with another plan, the so called Obama plan is the only solution offered, so it better work. If it doesn’t then it will be on to plan B. Do you have any solutions or are you just going to complain?

  182. I knew there are plenty who think so. Why else would we do so much of it and spend so much of this fiat doing so? It is easier that finding real solutions.

  183. Did you know the Obama care puts no limits on what pharmaceutical companies can charge?

    Talking with a friend who lives in Canada, he personally feels their system sucks. He said if you have any non life threatening illness, you might as well just live with it, because by the time you get in to see the doctor, it more than likely will have passed. Their Prime Minister had so much faith in their system that when he had a health issue he came here to Michigan to the Ford Clinic to get worked on.

  184. I understand the Swiss build explosives in all their infrastructure so as to blow it up themselves in case someone invades their land. And this gives them a sense of security. Some of it is noted and some is secretive.

    I guess that doesn’t really give me a sense of security. But it does explain the mentality of some folks.

  185. Alfie, I’m a realist and my eyes are wide open. Tex, you got me, Newt or no newt is not my Christian name.

  186. Gorilla needs an 8 year old. We’re going to see the American Idol tour next Saturday night. My kid loves the country singer who didn’t win (Skylar Laine).” – R

    R, I have an 8 year old and a 3 year old. Idol rots the brain, I’m thoroughly convinced of that. Besides, my boys enjoy a lot of the same music I do. Of course, their mother is an immigrant and they greatly enjoy her cultural music as well.

  187. ET, I’ve never wanted to rub up on a dude before, but if that’s what it would take to have the fantastic fortune to see the Wall at the Wall, I’d do. HOLY SHIT you lucky motherfucker.

    Now I really hate you…. ok, not so much, but I feel less of a man…

    By the by, I lived in Seattle Washington in the 90’s, so I was essentially in the womb of grunge and the last great music movement of rock and role. Pretty much everything since has sucked balls. Great big salty testes. It’s more than a little depressing…

  188. R, this is for you:

    It is better to be defeated on principle than to win on lies.Arthur Calwell

  189. I think Newt would have been a fine Satanic name – Lucifer even better; Densico most likely. Don’t give me this crap about nobody else has offered a plan. Not only has an alternative plan been offered – it’s been implemented in the best run states like Texas.

    It’s called tort reform…

    But why don’t you tell me how adding 30,000,000 to Medicaid is going to lower health care costs. The same Medicaid going broke as we speak. That always gives me a good chuckle, No Newt.

  190. I agree with you completely, Gorilla. Grunge was at the tail end of good rock & roll – I can count on one hand good rock & roll songs of the last decade.

    There’s been a little good pop – but about zero R&R.

  191. Ruh-oh!

    Earlier this year, Mitt Romney nearly landed in a politically perilous controversy when the Huffington Post reported that in 1999 the GOP presidential candidate had been part of an investment group that invested $75 million in Stericycle, a medical-waste disposal firm that has been attacked by anti-abortion groups for disposing aborted fetuses collected from family planning clinics. Coming during the heat of the GOP primaries, as Romney tried to sell South Carolina Republicans on his pro-life bona fides, the revelation had the potential to damage the candidate’s reputation among values voters already suspicious of his shifting position on abortion.

    But Bain Capital, the private equity firm Romney founded, tamped down the controversy. The company said Romney left the firm in February 1999 to run the troubled 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City and likely had nothing to with the deal. The matter never became a campaign issue. But documents filed by Bain and Stericycle with the Securities and Exchange Commission—and obtained by Mother Jones—list Romney as an active participant in the investment. And this deal helped Stericycle, a company with a poor safety record, grow, while yielding tens of millions of dollars in profits for Romney and his partners. The documents—one of which was signed by Romney—also contradict the official account of Romney’s exit from Bain.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/romney-bain-abortion-stericycle-sec

  192. G,I wished you hadn’t gayed it out, but it was a blast, starting with the helicopters swooping in with search lights and the mega phones “in — get in. . . and. . . deal with it!”

    I agree with you and Tex. Grunge was the last of the driving R&R. Hopefully we’ll cycle back into some good shit.

  193. I dedicate this to SIL leeches living off MIL and sending her to an early grave, believing Mother Jones is credible news source but the Wall Street Journal a sham:

  194. I guess if Mother Jones is true and according to the quote in 240, Romney should go down. That is, IF principle really is priority.

  195. I didn’t get a chance to see Nirvana, but I saw the Foo Fighters, and their bassist was sick, so Chris Novacelik stood in. That’s as close as it gets anymore…

  196. Tort reform does colonoscopies to detect cancer early, which costs a lot less to treat? Who knew? You do realize we are talking about breathing people, right?

  197. Personally, I think we might be in one of the best eras of music in a long time. It’s just that the internet has changed things. Mainstreme music blows. You rarely get the album with critical acclaim that also sells like hot cakes. Music is essentially free now. Even you guys technically “pirate” when you throw a link up from youtube. The entire industry has been thrown on it’s head. You don’t have to be hip either. Just roam the internet amd listen. Its a very creative time right now. Then again, I listen to weird shit, to such an extent I keep it a secret. I love all the music you guys do, I just also love a lot music you guys might hate. I’m the opposote of Tigre. I’m a music whore, not a snob.

  198. ” I’m a music whore, not a snob.”

    Don’t judge me man. :lol:

    Actually I have pretty diverse tastes. I am just a harsh critic. There’s a lot shit out there that passes as some kind of virtuosity.

  199. Tort reform does colonoscopies to detect cancer early, which costs a lot less to treat? Who knew?

    Tort reform doesn’t affect the colonoscopy but does assure when some dolt like you comes in with Stage IV colon cancer in part caused by an adult lifetime of large objects shoved up the anus, preceded by diverticulitis, the doctor doesn’t get blamed for your negligence and idiocy because he can’t play Jesus and turn you back to street walking, while you sue to bankrupt the doctor and hospital.

    Or maybe you sue for your Type II diabetes because the doctor didn’t monitor your 5,000 calorie a day diet, because his scales read 340′ and it’s the doctor’s fault your morbidly obese.

  200. @ Newt

    Alfie, I’m a realist and my eyes are wide open.

    That doesn’t answer my question. Let me give you a pass of sort. This isn’t a gotcha kind of thing I was genuinely curious if you had formed an opinion on what MA politicians have discovered,what Canada Medicare knows and every UK NHS Trust does.

  201. It’s also hard for us old guys to judge new music. Back in the day, when you bought a tape or record you played that motherfucker even if, at first, you didn’t like it. You spent hard earned money and you didn’t have YouTube or a 100 gig of music or ten million other info revolution distractions. The upshot was we gave an album, one initially that might have been inaccessible, a fair shake. This alowed mass appeal for some pretty out there shit. People delete a song like you throw a way a snot rag now. In order to appreaciate the sweet albums of today you have to “learn” them like you did back in the day.

  202. Also making in hard to get into music is that our wives woud bitch if we started hanging out in our buddy Vic’s garage blaring the stereo, getting blazed and crushing beer cans.

    I remember being mystified why it was so hard to get laid as a teen ager. I was oblivious that trying to get chicks in your buddy’s old oil slicked garage isn’t smooth.

  203. @dead rabbit: you make an awesome point. I doubt with the advent of iTunes I will ever own an entire “album” ever again. I get the song I like when I think about it.
    Exploration even @ no more than $1.29/song just doesn’t have the same ring to it as going through a whole record,tape or CD and hoping you’d find something other than filler.

  204. Man, isn’t weird you can hear a guitar and just know who it is. Dire Streights is like that. Knophler had this solo album in the late 90s that I just remembered I loved. I can’t remember the name.

  205. Alfie, I think I know where you are coming from with your questions and I would have to agree, no healthcare system is ideal, but we are human and therefore capable of problem solving. From my point of view, our healthcare system has some real problems and that is reason enough to look for solutions. Perhaps you disagree with me, perhaps not?
    Tex, as it happens, I had a colonoscopy a few months ago and I was happy to learn, I have a very healthy colon. But I was not too surprised, I take very good care of myself. I eat clean, I exercise 6 days a week, and I have a physical every year. Yourself?

  206. You guys have a totally unhealthy fixation with my ass. Never had cancer, but if I develop an abnormal anal growth, I’ll be sure to name it after one of you dingle berries. :grin:

  207. But I was not too surprised, I take very good care of myself. I eat clean, I exercise 6 days a week, and I have a physical every year. Yourself?

    And you’re still going to die, guaranteed. And Obamacare will see that happens sooner than later, and when that death announcement comes and you can’t get medicine like Greece, and as you get ready to pass where leftists stand with Father Satan, I want you to remember what it was that you supported. :wink:

  208. Pf, love the Spanish Moon. Mercenary Territory is cool too. I saw them once at Bumbershoot. It was after Lowell George passed away, but still excellent.

    ET, I think it was just the horn section that toured with them.

    Gorilla, just a guess. Were you stationed at Fort Lewis? Ever got to Bumbershoot?

    R, how did your test go?

    I think government has been instrumental in the development of space exploration and … insect drones. :) I liked the DR song Poolman.

  209. Jethro Tull? Englishman who invented the corn drill. Who knew?

    OK PF give me some props … I did say “agricultural icon”.

    Now it’s my turn … the origin of the name Alice Cooper? (This might have multiple answers but there are two I’ll accept.)

    I’m off to bed with 70 comments yet to review. Damn you boys and girl were busy tonight!

  210. You guys really ought to keep up with the drone technology. It has been the custom of the military and intelligence agencies to not give us the most current skinny on weaponry and surveillance capabilities. The stuff they share has generally been out for a while, while the newer stuff is kept under wraps. I’ve been following a lot of what goes on behind the scenes. Anonymous is soon to release a mega dump stuff to the public. Until then, we get snippits here and there. This was circulated late last month.

    http://patdollard.com/2012/06/swarms-of-cyborg-insect-drones-are-future-of-military-surveillance/

  211. “You guys really ought to keep up with the drone technology.” -Poolman

    Sorry for the ribbing, Poolman. It’s just every time I think about your insect drone story, I picture that Outer Limits episode where the alien convicts escape and come marauding. They turn out to be little hornet looking things with human faces. Creepy. :)

  212. R – didn’t mean to slight you; you were right about Jethro Tull.

    re: medical care. The problem to my very jaundiced eye is as follows: In the ‘sixties, medicine was just like any other private service. Then the govt came in and said, “We can pay for some of that.” When they did, it worked pretty smoothly, but there were problems. They then said, “We will fix those problems.” Of course they CAUSED the problems, but their solution was more govt to fix them. As they paid for more and more, there was beaucoups of money available, so good capitalists started finding more ways to get some of it. Doctors became rich; medical device and pharma companies became rich, because now the free market did not do what it does best: control costs through competition.

    The govt solution: more govt. and more. and more. Now the cost of medical care is unfathomable. Now that the govt pays for so much, the old adage of “Whoever pays the bills calls the shots” is operating. We are required to see and treat everybody, so most folks with three big-screen TVs and four cars don’t bother to buy medical insurance. Since the hospitals and doctors would like to stay in business, they overcharge those who DO have it. (me being one of the overcharged). The reason medical care is so expensive is that, like any government program anywhere in the world, it skews the natural process of supply, demand, prices – and always UPWARD. Always.

    It cannot be fixed by more govt or by trying to fix what we have. It can only be fixed by utter collapse. Fortunately, my Boy Obama is doing that in a headlong rush.

  213. re: drones. Did I already post this one?

    I have a toy quadrotor that I fly with my iPad. It has a camera on board. Scarily easy to fly.

  214. Man, isn’t weird you can hear a guitar and just know who it is. Dire Streights is like that. Knophler had this solo album in the late 90s that I just remembered I loved. I can’t remember the name.” – DR

    Sailing to Philadelphia. Shangra La is another good one. Knophler is hands down the best guitarist I’ve ever seen. Other greats, like Eddie Van Halen recognize his skills as well.

  215. Listing longevity statistics is too simplistic and fails to tell us why. One can provide any interpretation that suits his/her agenda.

    BBC News “Why do Americans die younger than Britons?” tries to answer the question. Obesity, smoking, traffic accidents, sloth and bad diets, not our health care system play an important role in our longevity.

    The average life span in some parts of the US matches that of the longest- lived people in countries like Japan.

    “Elderly Americans have a higher chance of surviving heart disease and many cancers that their counterparts in other rich countries where the US lags behind is what happens at a much younger age.

    Its likely not the equality of medical care itself that is the problem but access to it. Medical insurance for all might help. ” Obamacare will make the problem worse. We need an insurance system that includes as many people as possible.

    Pray for good luck and good genes, especially if Obama wins. .

  216. Thor,

    I’m a sailor, so I was in Bremerton, and yes, I did Bumpershoot, Deck the Halls Ball and a couple other festivals. Family Values was a fun one too.

  217. I agree, Mark Knophler is one of the best.

    Like rabbit, I am a music whore. I like what I like. Thanks to YouTube I have found foreign and domestic bands I didn’t know existed.

    Nebraska’s state climatologist says that the average temperature has been above normal for every month except September for the last year. Little will change during the growing season, and drought will spread. Dr. Taylor, ISU’s extension climatologist says little will change before mid August.

    Crop prices are rising because of the drought scare.

    Nebraska economist Dr. Ernie Goss says our local economy is slipping and will continue to do so for the rest of the year. Our decline will be nothing compared to other parts of the country. We will continue to be a bright spot.

    Medical supply companies have also been bright parts of our economy, but liberal policies are forcing more to kill jobs or transport them overseas. Our son and his wife live in California. He works for a medical supply company.which has already transferred employees to Texas. He returned from a week’s training session and learned gossip says major layoffs are ahead in the next week or two.

    The Obamacare law will impose a new tax on the companies.

  218. I learned about Jethro Tull in grade school. Ironically, the singer was fairly conservative and opposed drug use.

    Atlantic Magazine has an article about farming and how it is changing.

  219. Canada is ranked 12th in the world in life expectancy. Guess where the US is ranked. I’ll give you a hint, we are only 16 places below Malta.

    And completely misleading. As a proxy for the percent of white people who live here, you know – the people who founded the country – we are some of the longest lived in the world here in the good, old USA. If food and the easy life weren’t so plentiful, and we weren’t consuming ourselves to death, we might be the longest lived. :smile:

    Not whitey’s fault the brothas are killing themselves in Chicago for a thrill. Not whitey’s fault ‘Native Americans’ are eating and drinking themselves to death. Not whitey’s fault two in five Mexicans are obese and suffering from life threatening rates of Type II diabetes.

    This is the kind of crap leftists pull to justify their lies, like Wisconsin public schools are far superior to Texas public schools when the union debate was going down in WI – but then a little further research indicates, no actually – they are not.

    Remember this beauty? It does my heart good to see leftist lies disassembled. Then one should have been published across every paper in the nation – but then, the message didn’t fit the big government narrative of our media.

    http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2011/03/longhorns-17-badgers-1.html

  220. It’s a generational war.

    LOL There was a time when the young were expected to care for the elderly who had already paid their dues. There was a time we had multigenerational families under one roof so someone was looking after Grandpa and the kids.

    But now it’s a “generational war”. I’m beginning to think Rabbit’s rap name should be Selfish Bastard.

    P.S. I’ve been wracking my brains trying to figure out the recent change in tone with the Rabbit. I may have figured it out. School’s out, so no job. Brand new baby at home screaming at least some of the time — sleepless nights AND it’s hot as a motherf*cker out there. Under those circumstances I’d probably start talking pathological too.

  221. explain to your little girl how much money she has loaned Daddy so that Daddy can have a life style that her generation can’t enjoy.

    She’s doing a piss poor job if THIS is the best lifestyle she can get me. :-)

  222. Thanks for asking about the mid-term Tex (albeit in your twisted way). If I had to give myself a grade it would be a B. The two 250 word short answer questions were answered adequately but nothing stellar. The 750 word essay was IMHO much better as I got to pontificate on my favorite subject of politics.

    The exams are being “peer reviewed” so we’ll see what my “peers” have to say.

  223. BiW I don’t know your mail situation but if health insurance is run like the postal system, I wouldn’t be too upset. I’d say when it comes to receiving my mail and my sent mail meeting its destination, we’re talking a 99.9% success rate.

  224. “The exams are being “peer reviewed” so we’ll see what my “peers” have to say.”

    If it’s peer review you want, post your answers here. I’ll be happy to pretend that you’re a peer to have crack at those bad boys. :lol:

  225. I’ve been wracking my brains trying to figure out the recent change in tone with the Rabbit.

    Or, it could be something more profound than simply life’s up and downs.

    Maybe the Rabbit now that he’s become a father, realizes like some of us do that for years you and your ilk have been irreparably damaging the country with your lies, and your bullshit victimization, your dependency and viciousness to remain in power, and your rank propaganda; perhaps Rabbit sees the writing on the wall that you big government program proponents which have utterly destroyed portions of this country are an anathema to good.

    Maybe unlike Leftists, Rabbit cares about the general welfare of his children and their children and recognizes he’s been played a fool by attempting to participate within a rigged game. Maybe, just maybe, he’s not the selfish bastard here?

    Maybe Rabbit has simply had enough of being lied to and the game playing, wants better for his children, realizes we either divest ourselves of statists or go down with them, and he doesn’t want that for his children where you seem perfectly content to let that happen – even happily play party to it.

  226. BiW I don’t know your mail situation but if health insurance is run like the postal system, I wouldn’t be too upset. I’d say when it comes to receiving my mail and my sent mail meeting its destination, we’re talking a 99.9% success rate.

    Don’t get too bent, BIC. Obviously, Rutherford’s idea of health care is successful if the aspirin delivery only cost $10.00 per tablet, you only have to pay $6.00 for the throw away cup and water, and they only will deliver on M/W/F with holidays off.

  227. Rutherford, I’m really bored. I would be happy to “peer review” those answers of yours. :razz:

    I think you’ve finally found your true calling – sociology, that is.

  228. PF, no dissing from me regarding Petula. “Downtown” is to my mind so iconic of the 60’s. Great song, great singer. If my history is correct,. Petula kissed Harry Belafonte on TV and racists crapped their pants all over the country.

    Alicia Keys’ “Empire State of Mind” seems like Downtown updated to today.

  229. Andy had turned Leftist – Obama rube. :razz: Ronny Howard too. A crying shame Hollywood had corrupted them. They were far better off in Mayberry.

    But, as I child I enjoyed the show – Don Knotts in particular.

  230. James, to my surprise that news brought tears to my eyes. The Andy Griffith Show has always been one of my all time favorites. Seeing these folks you’ve grown up with die just reminds you of your own mortality. He was two years older than my Dad. :-(

  231. “PF, that’s a fake video, you know that, right?”

    I wasn’t aware of that. If so, it’s pretty good. Notice how the quadrotor tilts forward to maintain its position against the recoil? Notice how when the gun fires, the recoil pushes the quadrotor backward?

    Are you sure? Have any cites on that?

  232. He said if you have any non life threatening illness, you might as well just live with it,

    Now one of you (I don’t remember who) said that the Canadian system only works if you have a run of the mill problem but for life threatening issues, there are wait times.

    So which is it?

    I don’t think anyone here has the slightest idea what they’re talking about regarding Canada. I’ve heard from Canadians and Brits who are quite happy with their health care.

  233. I have an 8 year old

    Well ain’t that something? Here’s a scare. My daughter could some day end up married to G’s son! G, you’ll be happy to know my kid skews conservative at least 50% of the time.

  234. I am angry that the American people were lied to creating a precedent where the government will punish a once free people for any reason they deem the collective more important then the individual. Am I radicalized now? I don’t give a rat’s ass. I see liberals the same way American patriots saw the British.

    Want to hear something even more pathalogical? I intend to teach my boys that spilling blood may be the only option if your lording state continues to steal and tread on their liberty. That’s right. Keep this shit up and we will fucking kill you like Locke and Jefferson suggest we do.

    How dp ypu like them

  235. Ahhh Poolman, Romney’s firm props up a fetus trash factory. Let’s see how our staunch pro-life advocate Dead Rabbit reacts to that.

    DR how can you vote for this man in good conscience? Oh the humanity!!!

  236. Yeah DR, that’s the ticket. Prepare the boys for a life in prison over f*cking melodrama as opposed to being good citizens who try to change things peaceably.

    Get out of Michigan dude …. go to Hawaii or something. You need a change of scenery..

  237. Turns out the big f@cking deal is a big f@cking lie. Quite the display of integrity.

    Sandi, what does “newt or no newt” mean exactly? Just curious.

  238. You’ve already stolen hundreds of thousands from them. What if 30 years from now your state’s bullying intensifies? What if there is an uprising of producers, sick of the yoke. What if your state becomes even more desperate to keep the Ponzi going a few more years? What if the state dictates dozens of products they have to buy? What if there is a rebellion? Taxation without representation on our childeren. I’m not going to raise terrorists or murderers. But they will understand that there maybe a time when they have to fight for their freedom.

  239. thought I’d stop in from M&H and say HI and have a Happy 4th……
    Oh…Fat Grannies have shoveled some more again

  240. What if the state dictates dozens of products they have to buy?

    SHHHHHHHHHHH!

    Quit F^@!in with their next plan to save GM.

    It isn’t a “penalty”, its a “Tax” For NOT buying a Chevy Dolt, Comrade. We find your lack of patriotism disturbing.

  241. BiC, I posted Tex’s question for R at your place too. I’e a good one and has gone unanswered. Again:

    Is there any restriction on what our government can do? Other than the hated forced acknowledge of Christianity, I mean. On my way to Houston the other day, it occurred to me, when it comes to a Dimocratic President, I couldn’t offhand think of one thing that you might find as restriction on Obama if he were for it.

    Not one. Can government force us to buy solar power for instance? Can they force us to buy hybrid cars, if they so dictate? If not, why not?

  242. Alfie I appreciate the Fortune article reemphasizing the Feb 99 departure of Romney from Bain, but it’s really a lot of legal excuse making. The article admits it was basically impossible for Romney to sever ties between Feb and August of 1999 when the Stericycle deal was signed.

    Romney still has dead fetus blood on his hands. That’s the price of amoral investing. If it wasn’t Stericyle it would have been something else. I’m quite damn sure that Bain didn’t apply any moral barometer to its investments. Just like the deals which didn’t go well for employees, that’s the price of capitalism.

    Perhaps Romney’s candidacy is a good civics lesson for us all vis-a-vis the dark side of capitalism.

  243. Describe Romney’s role Rutherford.

    And since when do you care about the disposal of fetuses?

    It’s woman’s right to choose.

  244. As long as they tie it into the tax code, I don’t see Fediathan from being restricted at all in this ruling. But then, I haven’t finished reading it yet.

    Of course, I’m not sure that it applies to just buying things. This breathtaking expansion of the gneral welfare clause (and that is really what we’re talking about) could conceivably be tied to any behavior.

    Nanny government was just written a blank check to interfere in the minutae of your life in ways that no one has yet conceived of.

  245. I accidentally bumped into a conspiracy theory on YouTube so bizarre that it makes Poolman’s conspiracies look tame by comparison. I almost posted the video but it was so vile I decided against it. Suffice it to say, it involves the US government, pedophilia and remote control destruction of in flight planes.

    Hell if he’s up on his latest conspiracies, Poolman may already know what I’m talking about.

  246. Canada is ranked 12th in the world in life expectancy. Guess where the US is ranked. I’ll give you a hint, we are only 16 places below Malta.

    How can that be Thor? We’ve got the best health care system in the civilized world!!!

  247. Poolman, I’m amazed Eric Fehrnstrom hasn’t been fired yet. He should have been sacked after the etch-a-sketch comment. He has terminal foot in mouth disease.

  248. Every time I think I’ve heard it all, Tex throws out another whopper. So the low life expectancy in US is due to not enough white people. :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Every time today I start to well up over Andy dying, I’ll think of this Tex theory and laugh my ass off. Thanks buddy!

  249. Sandi, what does “newt or no newt” mean exactly? Just curious.

    LOL Wrong again. First Newt was Thor. Now Newt is Sandi. Sorry, Newt is neither.

    Why is it so hard for you folks to accept that there are really quite a lot of liberals out there? And they are not in proportion to the small number that show up on this blog. :-)

  250. R, don’t make us answer the question about the confusion. The answer is not falttering. Next was going to be your friend Yellowbitch.

  251. How can that be Thor? We’ve got the best health care system in the civilized world!!!

    And yet I noticed that you, one who takes a sizable and disproportionate amount of healthcare in comparison to the average citizen and most certainly takes out more than he pays in, has chosen to remain right in our inferior American healthcare system. Why?

    Plus, we’ve got millions of illegal leftists, plus the parasitical stooges from your neck of the woods. Like I said – it’s why Wisconsin’s ACT scores are so high. Remove the leftist voting bloc of minorities and parasites – everything magically gets better immediately. The leftist voting bloc was primarily what was holding Wisconsin back as the last twelve months have proven.

    Actually, Conservative bitter clingers realize our health care system the best in the world. Go to any gated community where people have been forced to turn out the riff raff and scum of parasites and stooges, and you would find an incredibly healthy establishment.

    “R”, perhaps DR is angry with you because he so aptly recognizes the discontinuity of your message vs. your actions? Hmmm? Perhaps DR knows a pretentious pile of malodorous dung when he reads it?

    As Pfesser so accurately described from above, no matter how good the intent – when American gov’t gets involved, whatever it involves itself with gets worse. Something you fail to ever address.

  252. Nanny government was just written a blank check to interfere in the minutae of your life in ways that no one has yet conceived of.

    Goobledeegook. The general welfare clause has been around a long time and subject to varying interpretation throughout history. Consider this SCOTUS ruling a bump in the road boys. Everything goes in cycles.

    In fact, I don’t have the foggiest idea what you’re upset about. Obama’s gone in January right? This ruling has stirred the base and the Senate will go GOP right? What are you so worried about? You’re six months away from a new dawn. ;-)

  253. The general welfare clause in either the preamble or taxing and spending provisions are an independent grant of authority R.

    “Thomas Jefferson explained the latter general welfare clause for the United States: “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”

  254. So the low life expectancy in US is due to not enough white people. :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Once again you misinterpreted the clear truthfulness of why our longevity isn’t what it could be and should be here in our great country.

    It isn’t that there aren’t enough white people – I could have as easily thrown in Asians as substitute and been statistically still correct.

    It’s that there are too many black people. :twisted:

  255. I kinda think the “what can government do? What’s your limit?” question is sorta dumb honestly.

    Government CAN do whatever we let it do. We don’t live in a dictatorship. We still have elections … mostly honest ones. When the pendulum swings too far one way, we always send it swinging back the other way. It’s been true for over 200 years.

    When I look at this hysteria the only thing I can come up with is a major symbolic problem in the White House that has conservatives crapping their pants. Now hear me out before you jump down my throat.

    We have a black president. If you are a conservative, you don’t have to be a bigot to find that symbolic of the apex of the leftist wet dream. I think discussion of Obama’s race has been muddied by cries of racism. The more I think about this, the more I think it is not racism at all. It is a visceral reaction to seeing the symbol of leftist victory in your face every day when you turn on your TV.

    So no, I am not calling all of you racists or bigots. Really I’m not. I’m just saying that the face in the White House represents a world view that none of you counted on and it has shaken you and your fellow conservatives to your core. It’s the only explanation I can find for the totally off the grid reactions I read here every day.

    Tell me any other time in history that the Senate minority lead said within months of a President’s election, “My number one priority is to limit that man to one term.”

    Obama’s election was a game changer that a lot of very decent people didn’t imagine ever happening and they’re still shaken by it.

  256. “I don’t think anyone here has the slightest idea what they’re talking about regarding Canada. I’ve heard from Canadians and Brits who are quite happy with their health care.” So have I.
    ‘Health care’ is about preventing disease and the United States lags in that particular aspect of modern medicine, Affordable Healthcare is going to improve that situation in the next few years. All this drama…and the Emmy goes to….

  257. Describe Romney’s role Rutherford.

    And since when do you care about the disposal of fetuses?

    Money is fungible. As long as Romney continued to profit from Bain’s investments he was party to Bain’s “morals”.

    Nice try Tigre …. my question was pointed at the resident Defender of Fetuses, Dead Rabbit. I wanna see just how far his pro-life advocacy (vociferously testified to in this blog) goes.

  258. “Listing longevity statistics is too simplistic and fails to tell us why. One can provide any interpretation that suits his/her agenda.” – James

    James, I find my-canadian-friend-hates-his-healthcare anecdotes to be simplistic. I could see your point about biases if the ranking came from some socialist think tank in Lyon and we landed at say 9th. But this was from the CIA and we ranked 50th. FIFTIETH. That’s just stupid.

    Here is the CIA justification for the importance of the rating.

    “Life expectancy at birth is also a measure of overall quality of life in a country and summarizes the mortality at all ages. It can also be thought of as indicating the potential return on investment in human capital and is necessary for the calculation of various actuarial measures.”

  259. R, you never answered the questions. Really, really pathetic. Again “it doesn’t matter?” Come on man!

    As for Romney, you dodged that one too. Obama buys tens of thousands of dollars of goods from Staples, so he supports Bain too. http://www.myspace.com/intgd/splash.html

    You called it “amoral” capitalism. What’s “amoral” about something you condone? That was your term.

  260. BTW, I know a Canadian doctor that has nothing but criticism for their system. In the words of R, “suck. on. it. bwahahahah.”

  261. “I’m a sailor, so I was in Bremerton,” G

    Sorry, for some reason I thought you were Army. The Kitsap Peninsula rocks. Did you ever get up to Bangor? Hear there’s some real hush hush stuff up there. A wink and a nod will suffice. :)

  262. “Fediathan” – BiC

    I like that. Is that yours?

    I guess the thinking is that you don’t have to have a car. Some people couldn’t drive if they wanted too. But at some point, everyone will use the healthcare system. Most of us start using it before we are born. So everyone should be required to pay for some of it.

  263. Rutherford, you referred to Sandi weighing in a thread or two ago and the only new name I saw was Newt.

    So what does Newt or No Newt mean exactly?

  264. So no, I am not calling all of you racists or bigots. Really I’m not. I’m just saying that the face in the White House represents a world view that none of you counted on and it has shaken you and your fellow conservatives to your core. It’s the only explanation I can find for the totally off the grid reactions I read here every day.

    You may be right. I might have shuddered to the core. When I saw millions of lost souls bowing at the knee to this sham, I was aghast. You’re too misinformed, too ignorant to understand what was going through my mind at the moment. Almost apocalyptic.

    Styrofoam Greek columns, football stadiums, fawning sycophants incapable of caring for themselves, fainting and wetting their pants at the emptiest of moral platitudes and the idiocy of Yes We Can. I knew my country to the utter most of my being, my country was in grave and desperate trouble.

    I can’t even stand the sight of Obama – his phony smile makes me nauseous. I believe him to be not only a malignant narcissist, but a complete and utter fraud – like so many on the Left.

    I disdain Obama not because Obama is black. It is because he is evil and corrupt. Obama is a liar of to the nth degree. I believe Obama hates America and is desperately trying to recreate America in his own image.

    It’s because Obama is a hollow and self-righteous man of no measurable talent or worth, a flimflam completely incapable of running anything complex, much less act as world leader. It’s the millions of stupid people that can’t even bring themselves to admit what an abject failure this cretin has been as President. EPIC failure. The absolute bottom of depravity. The man who would be king; our post racial President. ** SPIT **

    Men like you Rutherford so personally vested in your religion of progressive politics, you’ll turn a complete blind eye to the same things you crucified George Bush for, when Obama has done it twice as bad by doubling down. I think all of you are utter hypocrites.

    One example. Obama, and it’s on video so there is no denying it, once said, “ADDING 4 TRILLION DOLLARS TO THE NATIONAL DEBT WAS “UNPATRIOTIC.” And it is.

    Obama then proceeded to add $5.1 trillion to the deficit in less than 36 months.

    And you shills can’t even admit how absolutely craven this one despicable act is – even worse, with absolutely nothing to show for it. And you really wonder why Rabbit is so angry?

    The Dimocratic party has become a party of division; a party of pandering racism; divide and conquer; self absorbed, self-serving, petulant thieves.

  265. “I find my-canadian-friend-loves-his-healthcare anecdotes to be simplistic. Ask Newt about it.” – ET

    Fair enough, maybe he/she/it will answer.

    BTW Newt, I think the reason these guys are so desperate to out you is because right now they only face me, Poolman and R. In their eyes, the three stooges. But, if indeed, you are a fourth middle-to- lefty on Radio Free Rutherford, we would become the Four Horsemen … a huge leap in credibility and terror. ;)

  266. R, was this the answer to one of your essay questions? Just a guess. ;)

    “We have a black president. If you are a conservative, you don’t have to be a bigot to find that symbolic of the apex of the leftist wet dream. I think discussion of Obama’s race has been muddied by cries of racism. The more I think about this, the more I think it is not racism at all. It is a visceral reaction to seeing the symbol of leftist victory in your face every day when you turn on your TV.” – R

  267. So everyone should be required to pay for some of it.

    Even if I accepted the proposition, which I don’t, the facts don’t back you on this, as we already know not “everyone” WILL be paying for it. Wealth will be redistributed yet again, as some people will not have to pay the costs, and willinstead get tax credits or some other mechanism by which this great boon won’t be costing them a thing.

  268. We have a black president.

    Which matters far more to the people screaming about any and all opposition being racist than it does to the rest of us.

    Besides, Billy Jeff of the Bent -Dick was our first “black president”, remember?

  269. Timeline Dec 2011
    The median wait time is 19 weeks between the referral from a general practitioner and the start of elective treatment, finds the report, released by the Fraser Institute Monday.

    At 104 per cent longer than it was in 1993, this is the longest total wait time recorded since the Fraser Institute began measuring wait times in Canada.

    Wait times for a referral to a specialist rose to 9.5 weeks in 2011 from 8.9 weeks in 2010. And the wait time between a visit to a specialist and actual medical treatment increased to 9.5 weeks from 9.3 weeks.

    Though Ontario has the shortest total wait time for surgery among the provinces, with an average wait of 14.3 weeks between a visit to a GP and the receipt of treatment, that’s up from 14 weeks in 2010.

    Conversely, Prince Edward Island had the longest total wait time at 43.9 weeks.

    “Canadians are being forced to wait almost 4 ½ months, on average, to receive surgical care, prolonging the pain and suffering patients and their families are forced to endure,” said Mark Rovere, a co-author of the report. “Despite significant increases in government health spending, Canadians are still waiting too long to access medically necessary treatment,” Rovere said.

  270. In 1995-96 when their system came online, Canada spent $17.6 billion. In 2009-2010, Canada spent $42.6 billion on health care. Of Canada’s total expenditure on all programs, 43% goes to health care, 20% Other, 14% to education, 13% Children’s and Social Services, 7% Post-secondary Ed and Training, 4% Justice.

  271. Rutherford, all through this thread and including the article itself it’s like you’re trying to peer into the hearts of conservatives and understand why they are upset. You’re own reactions are off the grid (“suck on it! bwahahaha”)and yet you’re trying so earnestly to get at the mindset of your conservative readers and put your finger on why there is a heightened charge to their dislike for this administration.

    It’s no big mystery. Either you understand the grievances and are playing at being mystified, or you don’t understand and that in itself is telling that you probably never will. At least try and leave it at the fact that objecting vociferously to perceived injustices isn’t just for liberals. You understand rioting, yet this whole huge “fuck you” to half the country eludes your comprehension.

    Just like your little dance over the dead fetuses eludes mine.

    ~

    Noah, it’s one thing to lose your temper but there’s something over the top disturbing about you calling Rutherford a bitch repeatedly. Maybe it’s because I find the word genuinely misogynistic. Could you possibly find another word?

  272. Looks boys (thor and R), I missed where someone tried to out Newt as thor. It was an honest mistake that I thought Newt was Sandi.

    You guys are so weird.

  273. I also do not care who or what Newt is. thor just needs to paint us in a bad light so he imagined another problem.

  274. Rutherford @ 321, I’m familiar with the ones you came across. The technology has been around for some time to take aircraft out of the sky without what we consider conventional means. Sound wave technology is probably the most well-documented.

    As for pedophilia among the elite, that has been prevalent and kept under wraps for centuries. There are some well-documented accounts of the network, and it is huge. It happens under our noses in virtually every major society. Governments are rife with it. The research I have done regarding that sickens me. If ever I could not control an urge to kill, it would probably be due to that. It is a taboo topic for the media, among others.

    I haven’t scratched the surface with stuff I’ve posted here of what lies out there. I mainly post those with the best evidence that anyone with a desire to know truth about can readily research.

    But it takes an open mind to get past preconceived notions. That is the rarest thing to find.

  275. Muffy, I attach no meaning to the name. If I did, I would probably go with I can take or leave Newt G. Thor, thanks for the invite to sit at your table for lunch, not easy being the new kid.

  276. Thor, thanks for the invite to sit at your table for lunch, not easy being the new kid.

    Just keep in mind, if he can’t take anything off of our plates for fear of being stabbed with a fork, it will be you subsedizing his fine dining.

  277. @#360. Gotchya. It seemed more like a statement than a moniker, is why I asked. Anyway, nice to meet you.

  278. “I kinda think the “what can government do? What’s your limit?” question is sorta dumb honestly.”

    You handled that even worse than Verilli.

    The answer, I assume, is “none.”

    You are true constitutionalist. :roll:

  279. Ahhhh…Thomas Paine. That reminds me…

    “The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.”

  280. I don’t know which ones are the damn ones. Nothing could be as bad as mayonnaise. Just sayin…

  281. How much does the President’s health care law cost? $1,760,000,000,000.00 according to CBO. How will we pay for it?
    With 21 new taxes that hit you square in the medicine cabinet. With the economy in recession, can we really afford this?

  282. “I don’t know which ones are the damn ones. Nothing could be as bad as mayonnaise. Just sayin…”

    Being judicious is why it still sticks.

    Mayonnaise is exactly how I see libs celebrating their so-called “victory.”

    Now you do too.

  283. Sorry Muffy. I don’t think you or anyone else is trying to “out” anyone. I was just making a joke about the others’ guessing.

    Where have you been anyway. Travel somewhere awesome?

  284. I also do not care who or what Newt is. thor just needs to paint us in a bad light so he imagined another problem. – Nagic

    What problem was I imagining?

  285. I was teasing when I was ‘outing’ Newt.

    Frankly, all these leftists read and sound the same to me – the Journolists of blogging. Same outrageous lies, identical bogus stats, same Bat Channel. Some simply construct better than others.

    And I thought Newt was right there with Densico in constructing. :twisted: That will only be meaningful to the old timers.

  286. sorry ill drop i down a grade level or 3…as pertaining to your claim of others trying to out Newt. I perceive “outing” someone as a negative.

  287. “Just keep in mind, if he can’t take anything off of our plates for fear of being stabbed with a fork, it will be you subsedizing his fine dining.” BiC

    My plates are embarrassingly abundant, and you are welcome to share them anytime you hop over the mountain, BiC. Perhaps we will talk about Banff and Jasper and Yoho National and leave the politics for some other day.

    This isn’t mine but I’ve forgotten who I heard it from.

    A corporatist, a tea party member and an OWS member are sitting together at a party when the host brings a plate of two dozen cookies. While OWS and Tea Party are arguing, the corporatist grabs twenty three of the cookies, shoving them in his mouth, his pockets and every other orifice he can hide them in. He then nudges the Tea Party member and points at the remaining treat. “Hey, you better watch out,” he warns, through a mush of crumbs and spittle. “The communist is eyeing your cookie.” :)

  288. Thanks Muffy, nice to meet you too. Poolman, I think I’ll avoid dishes with mayonnaise, you and Thor might want to too. I think I’ll enjoy some of the arugula salad.

  289. R, don’t make us answer the question about the confusion. The answer is not falttering. Next was going to be your friend Yellowbitch.

    Cryptic. Why would the answer not be flattering? And why would there be an answer, I don’t recall asking a question. As for YellowDawg, I’m not throwing him under the bus or anything but he’s hardly my “friend”. Honestly, I always considered him a bit of a liberal Elric.

  290. when American gov’t gets involved, whatever it involves itself with gets worse.

    Does that include Republican administrations?

    I must admit I am puzzled …. all these patriots gathered here swearing America the best nation in the world, yet seeming to believe we have one of the most incompetent governments in the world.

    That’s a head scratcher.

  291. when American gov’t gets involved, whatever it involves itself with gets worse.

    Does that include Republican administrations?

    …really? Do we have a Democrat government…and a Republican government? Ohh wait I get it, as the man who lives by the double standard you projected yourself onto him…sorry.

    I must admit I am puzzled …. all these patriots gathered here swearing America the best nation in the world, yet seeming to believe we have one of the most incompetent governments in the world.

    Remember the $20,000 hammers? …How well has Social Security been managed? But lets move on to something more ..today….how about this…

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/another-solyndra-house-investigates-400-million-loan-to-bankrupt-solar-company/

  292. Does that include Republican administrations?

    It most certainly does.

    Hence, the only excellent President in my lifetime once said this:

    “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.'”

    Rutherford, perhaps your second most foolish notion is that you believe America is the government. I would remind you and something you desperately need to learn is…

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,

  293. I can’t even stand the sight of Obama …

    So basically he embodies the apex of everything you hate about the left? My only suggestion is that his blackness is a subliminal reminder to you of his leftness that eats at your core. In your world view, which party would put a man in office, undeserving, possibly because he’s black? Republicans? I think not.

    You loath Michelle Obama. A subliminal reminder of Angela Davis? Which was it, New York Magazine, which depicted the two of them as a Muslim and a black radical on the cover? I think they were onto something. A Rorschach test of sorts.

  294. @Rutherford. Yeah not for nothing but the false mountain out of a false anthill is really pissing me off.
    First off venture capitalists are not always controllers of the entities they buy into.
    Second, Stericycle does a lot more than dispose of fetuses,womb tissue etc. They rode the wave of government regulation seeing a need,filling it and prospering from it.
    Third Romney truly departed when he did. His fingerprints as it were remained for a number of logical reasons. Reading anything else into it is gross intellectual negligence.
    Romney is one of a handful of folks who hit the venture capital game at the absolute best time. He is one of a handful of folks who have long term contracts that far exceed the present industry standard. A lazy leftist douchebag pseudo-journalist could rattle off up to 17 deals that still pay Mitt “Bain Money”. Still doesn’t mean he is the guy calling the shots.
    As for Eric Firestorm he goes way back with Romney and speaks from a comfort perspective that doesn’t fit well in the presidential vetting process,especially as Romney is the candidate with the (R) after his name.
    Romney much to the horror of conservatives has a long history of supporting mandates and the myriad of items under that umbrella in healthcare and other regulatory settings.
    Sucks in a sound bite but rings true given his position on states.

  295. So basically he embodies the apex of everything you hate about the left? My only suggestion is that his blackness is a subliminal reminder to you of his leftness that eats at your core. In your world view, which party would put a man in office, undeserving, possibly because he’s black? Republicans? I think not.

    Hussein does embody everything I hate about the Left. You got that right. His smarmy arrogance, his gross incompetence, his shallowness, his lackeys, his deceit and thuggish nature, his shitty wife. You got all that right. There’s not a thing I like about the fraud.

    But I’m not sure color has much to do with it. I don’t see a black man. I see an asshole that desperately needs to be knocked off his perch. :neutral:

  296. Rutherford not for nothing but I welcome all the lefties you can get to come to the table. The more the merrier. It will be one sure way to see how honest they are. Perhaps in greater numbers the left end will show some diversity. I have a guess of at least one of you isn’t that far from the center all things considered.

  297. Noah, Noah, Noah.

    Let’s get this out of the way first. It has been documented people who watch Fox news know LESS about the news factually than any other viewers. But since you get upset when I attack the messenger, let’s buy the Fox story hook line and sinker.

    Since when is ACA modeled after Canada? ACA is modeled after … drum roll please … MASSACHUSETTS. ACA is not socialism. ACA is the biggest shot in the arm the insurance industry could ever hope for. ACA allows pharma to continue to run amok. So, I could completely buy this Canadian worst case scenario and still say “so what?”

    And Noah, what is thing about you calling other guys bitches? Do you have a confessional letter to write to Andrew Sullivan that we should know about?

  298. @383 don’t scratch to hard you’ll hurt yourself. The answer for me is YES!
    Smaller,focused and purposeful is the best scenario for government.
    on another note
    I like the Post Office and libraries too but neither needs to be the way they are. I’d add the public schools to that as well. Those are three examples of government living and breathing in the 19th-20th Century and actually being shocked that they suck in 2012.

  299. LOL … no Thor that wasn’t my essay question answer. But I did write about my perspective of the different sociological views of liberals and conservatives vis-a-vis the model presented by C. Wright Mills. ;-)

  300. @ 392 Rutherford take a deep breathe,pull the FoL’s out the crack and chill.
    It isn’t nuance to deny ACA is fully modeled upon MA. Although a far cry from Canada when you say ACA you include EVERYTHING in it. the nannyish and government engorgement are far from libertarian/free market capitalism. On the pure health care pages alone the Medicaid expansion is more akin to Canada than what you rest your laurels upon.
    I’ll apologize for busting your balls on your generalizations but some things really need to accept specifics.

  301. Which matters far more to the people screaming about any and all opposition being racist than it does to the rest of us.

    I took great care not to call it racist. I called it a visceral political reaction. That’s not the terminology used by the average race baiter.

  302. we would become the Four Horsemen
    And unfortunately for the right siders we would have to clean up the shit. Same as always. :)

  303. Muffy, somewhere in the thread (maybe the last one) I confessed to the immaturity of my “suck on it”. It was a reaction to the arrogant getting their comeuppance.

    My wife HATES the word bitch. I am occasionally guilty of using it as a verb. As for Noah, I’ve asked him a very pointed question about his use of the term. ;-)

  304. Rutherford @ 321, I’m familiar with the ones you came across.

    Why am I not surprised? It’s not for nothin’ that you’re my favorite conspiracy theorist. :-)

  305. As for Eric Firestorm he goes way back with Romney and speaks from a comfort perspective that doesn’t fit well in the presidential vetting process,especially as Romney is the candidate with the (R) after his name.

    Is that your justification for Eric not being canned?

  306. @403 I don’t know if I’d classify it as “justification”. I think a mix of loyalty,and reality make whacking him a sticky thing.
    As for life expectancy…..OMFG 3.01 years difference!!! It must be because of the healthcare. It just MUST BE!!!!!!
    On the other hand it could be due to diet,lifestyle,roadways,and diversity of population,crime rates ….

  307. Well if I post another damn video, Steely Dan might just rise again.

    I DO like mayonnaise. I buy the Best Foods Canola. Mmm-muhm-mmma-uhmmm-uhm good! :smile:

    Boy Alfie, does your mouth get tired of carrying all that romneycock? I would think you knew he apparently signed the SEC docs. I have it on good authority. Doesn’t look good for his PR team. This is really gonna get rabbit worked up.

    Speaking of rabbit, I have the perfect diversion, seeing as my Simpsons prophecies got him razzing me from the moment I got here. This should really smack him. :cool:

  308. “And unfortunately for the right siders we would have to clean up the shit.” – A

    You could always put bags on our butts, like they do for the handsome cabs. :)

    I agree with you Alfie. I think the fetus thing is a stretch. My issue with Romney touting Bain is that I don’t think it has much to do with job creation. I think he would be better off explaining what he did as Gov. of Mass. but he probably feels that it’s too tainted by Romneycare.

  309. Poolman and Rutherford, the fact that you find it to be such a titillating “gotcha” to me personally that you may have info on B.C. investing in a company the discards fetuses shows how far a part we are as people. Unlike you two followers, I don’t passionately fall for demigod bull shiters. No arm band on the rabbit. You too little girls screamed like you were at Beatle concerts for Obama. When I vote for a motherfucker I always hate him the least. So, if this thing turns out to be true, yeah it sucks to be me. One guy might have cashed in on abortion while the other guy wants to ensure millions more are performed. I don’t invest myself emotionally in politicians. I want to knock all of their hair helmets off. In fact the only reason I have a political take is I long for a government that creates as much space from my life amd those weirdos.

  310. Man my spelling sucks. This droid phome is awesome except for one thing. The touch scree typing. It takes up half the screen

  311. Let’s get this out of the way first. It has been documented people who watch Fox news know LESS about the news factually than any other viewers.

    Complete leftist bullshit – like those so called “fact checkers” you use. Reason #4,100,231 I find virtually all liberals liars.

  312. Let’s get this out of the way first. It has been documented people who watch Fox news know LESS about the news factually than any other viewers.

    One of the most absurd things I have heard from you to date, and that my friend is a long list to top. #1 Explain to me the methodology that shows how what TV station you watch affects knowledge. Show me how they quantified that information, and scientifically validated that study. If not admit spreading propaganda and apologize. #2 Did you know it is possible to watch Fox (Note I did not watch it..I googled this story) and still go on to watch other stations? Not everyone is as one dimensional as you are.

    And Noah, what is thing about you calling other guys bitches? Do you have a confessional letter to write to Andrew Sullivan that we should know about?

    Well first off I am not calling other guys bitches, my man, I am calling you a bitch. You, my bruthah, are the unemployed stereotype version of Fat Granies. They hold down the Depends undergarment side, you hold down the colt 45. I hope that clears up any possible misunderstandings you may have had there trick. That pointed enough for you?

    Nothing gets my goat quite like your kind. By that I mean the purest form the the double standard. You expect facts and documentation from preapproved (by you) sources and the precise word you think fits for anything that is said, but for you? For YOU…you get to say what you “feel” and expect it to be given equal consideration. Whenever ANYTHING is brought up that blows your ass out of the water, then its “oh I just cant take him seriously, or oh its from fox so I can ignore that,” or a host of other excuses. Sorry pal, I am not giving you the affirmative action pass here.

    What I have listed about you is fact, I have post after post after post to back it up. If you want me to be more like you, and you really want to add some color to these pages, ask me to instead tell you how I feel about you, and I will joyfully indulge you.

    Show me how Trump’s statement is a lie, or admit you were wrong.

    Show how my information I linked on Canada is wrong Show me that nothing of what I showed is accurate, or admit you are wrong.

    This isn’t rocket science. Both of us cannot be right. I linked my facts. You did not. I gave proof, you gave feelings. You gave a hunch. Do better if you can, either do or don’t, but dont bother to tell us why if you cant.

  313. Exactly neutral on newt. The lying and lack of morals really says it all.

    Rabbit takes it like a jab in the jaw from Rutherford and the poolman. But how many times has rabbit berated anyone that claims merely to be pro-choice? This is profiting from discarding discarded fetuses. It goes a few steps further into the mire, and the denial is what takes the cake.

    This underwear bummer cannot represent the Almighty US of A. The GOP is really looking grim.

    Short of another major catastrophe, Goldman Sachs will loose the farm.

  314. I am bothered by Mitt’s lying and his non answers.

    Yet you turn a complete blind left eye to Obama’s daily assortment of bald faced lies – outrageous lies, like that bullshit Wisconsin unions were outspent 10-1 yesterday.

    Newt, you read the same disingenuous bullshit I’ve come to expect from helpless, dependent statists of the Obama cult.

  315. Oh, shut up Toolman. You’re a helpless, flaccid, cocksucking leftist and your bullshit about being a former Conservative in nauseatingly malodorous. A flunky union stooge. You’re such a transparent lying freeloader, you refract light.

    Not only are you stupid and a whack job, you’re as phony as a three dollar bill.

  316. What about you, Tex. What do you think about your guy profiting from the disposal of aborted fetuses? Does that cause any pause?

  317. I find it mildly humorous that Rutherford is in here daily quoting leftist rags about how uninformed we are for watching FOX, when his knowledge of science and religion wouldn’t qualify for grade school in my part of town. But that’s okay – the ace in the hole, Chaz Maddow, is equally as clueless and ill informed. Goes with the territory, I suppose.

    And Rutherford is one of the more intelligent leftists.

    Can you imagine the audacity it takes to brag about the superiority of progressive politics and breadth of knowledge with Detroit, L.A. and New Orleans your strongholds? :lol: And Rutherford’s own backyard and Bammy’s home is truly a war zone in line with Beirut. I get a tingle up my leg reading about the weekend kill rate.

    Barnyard animals are more capable of caring for themselves.

  318. “Why does obvious success embarrass you?” – BiC

    Good question. It’s a feeling and I’m a guy, so you can tell how well this is going to go, but, … somehow I feel undeserving, I guess.

    “You’re in eastern Washington? Why did I have the impression that you lived in Seattle.” – BiC

    I grew up there and still visit family there quite often. Now I live in “survivalist central”. About 80 miles southwest of Ruby Ridge.

  319. What about you, Tex. What do you think about your guy profiting from the disposal of aborted fetuses? Does that cause any pause?

    Not a damn bit because I consider the source of the information – you. A vile, lying, American hating rank propagandist worthy of a rope attached to his balls like you tells me just the opposite is true.

  320. “I took great care not to call it racist. I called it a visceral political reaction.”

    I had a visceral reaction to Kerry and Hillary too. Is that a negative Thurston Howell and gender association? :roll:

    You need a swim in lake “you.” It is obvious that what you claim to surmise of the right is more reflective of your feelings than some kind of studious observation.

  321. “Why is it so hard for you folks to accept that there are really quite a lot of liberals out there?”

    “Cryptic. Why would the answer not be flattering? And why would there be an answer, I don’t recall asking a question.”
    :roll:

  322. I love the irony of R’s and Poolman’s Romney-guilt-by-association when it comes to Bain while defending Obama’s background. Sheesh.

  323. Love is a many splendored thing, Tigre. The only derogatory I knew about Obama before voting for him was he had many unpaid parking tickets that he didn’t feel the need to pay until they became a campaign issue. I really did take pause with that, but chalked it up to snobbery.

    Since Obama ended up lying about SO many things and broke SO many promises and actually ramped up the military aggression, I have made it a point to learn much more than the media lets us in on.

    This is NOT 2008. I try not to make the same mistake twice. I have admitted my failings. But here we are, BEFORE an election with different cards being dealt. I’ve been counting, and have a good inkling on the face value of what lies on the table.

    You are gravely mistaken if you think I am stumping for Obama or forgiving his deceptions.

  324. Oh, and while we’re defending ‘backgrounds’, did you vote for McCain/Palin? I think Alfie claimed he wrote in Romney. But what about you, Tigre? How did your vote go down?

    Inquiring minds what to know.

  325. I LOVE Obama? Oh yeah. In a Christian sort-of-way, I guess it’s true. But as a president, he has sucked. I can’t stand the direction we’re going or the path we’ve traveled. I have made that clear. You don’t pay very good attention.

    Defend your own background. But first, state it.

  326. Poolman you’ll vote for Obama again.

    Nope. Ron Paul. I don’t care if I have to pull an Alfie and write him in. You really don’t retain much, do you?

  327. I do remember made up stories that he was cheating on his wife. The press devoured it, then hid. Not a peep about Edwards.

    They were saving the Edwards saga for the big screen. Much more dramatic compared to mundane McCain.

  328. Parking tickets with the Rev. Wright and his anti-American screed in tow, hey Poolman? But then in your book, that’s a big positive I suppose. Father Michael Pfleger Poolman. :roll:

    Or how about Obama’s past affiliations with Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn? That just skip by your huge radar, Tool? Light bulb not come on?

    Or I guess it was easy, you picketing the abortion mills and all, to just look past Obama’s proclivity for Born Alive abortion, hey Tool?

    For someone so positively informed, Tool – you sure seem to have a selective memory and a lot of holes in that profound knowledge base of yours.

    Counterfeit Christianity comes to mind when I think of you and Thor. But it does make it convenient to bend, if it serves you personally.

  329. Hey Brother “R”…

    Got a question I’ve been meaning to ask you and only a black leftist qualified to answer this for us.

    There’s now about 20 Dims who have announced they’re skipping the Dim Convention. All of them are white or “White” Hispanic :roll: to the best of my knowledge.

    Are they racists too?

  330. Another McCain/Palin voter. :roll: Sheesh. Sore loser. You guys can’t even admit being on the losing team.

    Actually Tex, you have probably never listened to Reverend Wright’s sermons, since you always quote him out of context. Too bad. Too bad Obama distanced himself from him, but political reasoning is often one of compromising principles.

  331. I will give one thing R, the GOP is mostly a bunch of hypocrite fuck faces. So, you got me there.

    Not to rub it in Rabbit, but the Who really had it right when they sang “meet the new boss, same as the old boss”. If we really want change, we need a game changer. Romney ain’t it. And I admit there is no reason to expect a miracle from Obama second term. The only place I differ with you guys is that his reelection will not spell DISASTER. It will simply mean more snail pace growth.

    You know why we won’t get a game changer? Because humans fear change. We resist it with every fiber of our body. We like the familiar. And if the unfamiliar involves sacrifice, forget it.

    There are days when I think America is subject to natural entropy. Everything dies and maybe the country is going through its death throes as we speak.

    OR

    Maybe as I said earlier, things are just cyclical and the pendulum will swing back and happy days will be here again.

  332. Newt, I forgot old Gingrich liked zoos. OK fair enough .. I guess we can find something in common with just about anyone if we look hard enough. :-)

  333. I think he would be better off explaining what he did as Gov. of Mass. but he probably feels that it’s too tainted by Romneycare.

    To be clear, I’m really just razzing Rabbit about the fetus disposal stuff. I don’t think that has any legs as a campaign issue even if Romney had some clear decision making role in the investment (which apparently he didn’t).

    The reason he doesn’t tout his time in MA is very simply he wasn’t the best Governor in the world. I’m pretty sure he left the state with a piss poor employment record and a deficit. In this business-skeptical environment Bain is a risky bragging item for him and most folks won’t consider the Olympics of sufficient gravity for him to hang his hat on that.

    Romney’s only hope is to discredit Obama which has been his primary strategy, If Obamacare is as unpopular as folks say, then his new slogan really should be what he said in his statement last Thursday “The only way to get rid of Obamacare is to get rid of Obama.”

  334. I am bothered by Mitt’s lying and his non answers.

    Now Newt, do you mean flip-flopping or outright lying? Remember the flip flopping COULD fall under the category of “I changed my mind”. :-)

  335. Actually Tex, you have probably never listened to Reverend Wright’s sermons, since you always quote him out of context

    Yeah, especially the part about whitey introducing AIDS into the black community.

    But then, I forget who it is that is rationalizing all this – the world’s smallest useful idiot.

  336. Noah, since I suggested you might be gay (not that there’s anything wrong with that), I’ll let the unemployment and affirmative action remarks pass …. fair is fair. But just a word of advice: the only guys I’ve ever heard call other guys a bitch were as gay as the day is long. If that profile is one you’d prefer to avoid, I’d change name-calling tactics. “Lying rat bastard” might be a good start. :-)

    The comment about Fox viewers is probably propaganda and no I don’t apologize. But I do need to look up the stat to see how it was arrived at.

    I’ve already addressed the Trump statement. It was snarky and much of it true but ultimately unproductive. Doesn’t move the ball forward, especially for someone who claimed he wanted to be POTUS … but we both know that was a scam, now don’t we?

    I also addressed Canada. ACA ain’t Canada. It’s Massachusetts. Now go tell me how lousy health care is in Massachusetts. :-)

  337. Tex as you dis New Orleans and Detroit may I remind you they reside in states with Republican Governors. Lots of good that is doing them.

  338. Is that a negative Thurston Howell and gender association?

    How can anyone resist a Gilligan’s Island reference?

    Tigre, all I can say regarding the visceral reaction I referred to is your mileage may vary.

  339. I love the irony of R’s and Poolman’s Romney-guilt-by-association when it comes to Bain while defending Obama’s background.

    LOL, that is a kick, ain’t it?

  340. There’s now about 20 Dims who have announced they’re skipping the Dim Convention.

    Well one of them, Claire McCaskel has already said this is a mountain out of a molehill. She never goes to the conventions considering her time better spent in her district.

    I can’t speak for the other 19 but it ain’t rocket science to guess that some blue dogs think avoiding obvious support of Obama somehow covers their ass.

  341. My wife works primarily with Europeans and the lady who shares project management duties with her is British and wished her a Happy 4th of July. My wife thought to herself “ehhhh don’t you know we told you to f*ck off on the 4th of July?” Of course, my wife just said “thank you.” :lol:

    On that note, a Happy 4th to everyone here. Be safe.

    And yes, despite the need for constant improvement, I do believe this country is the best one going. I wouldn’t live anywhere else and I’m damn grateful the luck of the draw had me born here.

  342. “In this business-skeptical environment Bain is a risky bragging item for him and most folks won’t consider the Olympics of sufficient gravity for him to hang his hat on that.”

    He’s already touted it. You just spend your time sucked into the MSNBC propaganda machine in how you choose to view it. You’re mighty consistent that way.

  343. You know R, it’s odd to me that you recognize Obama isn’t going to accomplish shit, and sometimes you even recognize what divisive, arrogant fuck fuck he is. Then you say, “but Romney” isn’t the right guy — he’s worse.”

    Yet all of your arguments amount to is Romney’s not really a republican.

    Never a defense of Obama. Speaking of avoidance, you hear Obama talking about his record?

    Romney is focused on the anti-Obama message becuase it’s his best and most effective argument.

    Obama is focused on anti-Romney becuase he’s got nothing to run on.

    Let’s see Obama hold out his kick-ass, signature health care plan as part of his campaign strategy. He’d love to move past that. . . and his big “victory” with the Supremes.

  344. Poolman, you think you got me? I didn’t vote for Obama like you did?

    I’ll wager you won’t get off you fat ass to go write in Ron Paul. And if you did go to the polls you’d pull the lever for Obama. You’ve got no center.

  345. 235

    Rutherford, Obama is not a “black” president. He is a mulato who is half white. Some caucasians in countries like India have blacker skin than Obama.

    Speaking only for myself, Obama’s skin color is irrelevant. He represents a change, not because of his pigment, but because he is a socialist.

    thor, maybe I didn’t look closely enough. All I saw were numbers. Did I miss an interpretation? Statistics by themselves are just numbers I’m sure they are true, but by themselves, they are like Bible verses open to enterpretation.

    I assume you posted the numbers to prove that we need Obamacare, and you failed. Its true one Canadian experience doesn’t prove much, though it supports my view and damages yours. Alberta discussed adding a private sector to the national health service , and that is more than an anecdote.

    A discussion in Parliament about the British system also supports my opinion and hurts yours . I watched it on our daughter and son-in law’s cable station two years ago. Again, those are points for my side, though by themselves the don’t prove my opinion.

    Re read 282 and debate the BBC News Service’s interpretation of the figures. Then you might show us something besides a group of numbers.

  346. Happy Fourth to those on the Fruited Plain. Let’s all try to remember the America that was, and keep alive the hope and possibility that it could be great again some day. The cleaning-out process will not be short – or easy – and the vermin will howl at the tops of their lungs as they are carted out.

    But enough about D.C.. We enjoyed the best Fourth ever. My two sons are here, relaxed and enjoying each other’s company. Two daughters and three of their friends as well. One granddaughter, two years old and the apple of my eye. Marvelous fireworks last night at the airport, enjoyed from the vista of my hangar, after cooking a barbeque supper that couldn’t be beat, with numerous friends stopping by for burgers, brats, hot dawgs and a cold Corona to wash it down with. My fantasy has always been “over the river and through the woods to Grandmother’s house we go” – scads of loved-ones laughing and enjoying family, food and good times together. Had it in spades.

    I also spoke to the Director of my old department last night, over PFesser’s Patented Burgers. The Evil Empire is falling apart; outlying doctors are so offended by their abuse of hospital personnel that they have all but stopped sending patients. My schaenfreude-o-meter has bent the needle ’round the peg. Perhaps it’s time to consider opening an imaging center across the street.

  347. Sen. Claire “McCaskill”, Rutherford, you lying little loaf. :lol: You’re always correcting us about the spelling of candidates…

    Isn’t convenient that McCaskill’s reelection didn’t coincide with those nasty little Dim conventions for President? Couldn’t be that Barack Obama is absolutely toxic across most of the country, could it? He’s running 30-40 points behind in many states.

    Does this sound like truth from a lying sack billing the public for her private planes and an Obama lapdog? :twisted: Kiss her goodbye – she’s toast and an absolutely reprehensible excuse for a human being.

    A perfect Dim.

  348. 253

    YouTube has been a boon for music as rabbit wrote. Sometimes, it reveals my ignorance.. A group of Finns made a flash mob last month and two girls introduced it. One said “Call me maybe” I thought the phrase was merely due to a girl’s struggle with English.

    Later, I learned it is a song, and that Finns knew more about our music than I did.

    Newt or no newt, if Romney’s lies and non answers bother you, what must you think of Obama’s lies and non answers?

    Happy July 4th, everyone.

  349. Speaking of music James, I think I came upon the perfect tune for the Dimocratic National Convention. Hopefully the OWS attendance shows record numbers for King Obama’s crowning. :twisted:

  350. The Omaha World Herald is writing a book about Cold War veterans from Korea to the first Gulf War. Many of us sent pictures and stories for publication.

    Yesterday, the World-Herald sponsored a free picnic, program, and fire works for the veterans who never got their parade.

    It was a fine affair, but we watched it on television. Marching down a hot city street with a heat index of 107 didn’t sound like much fun.

  351. Thanks Tex. I am a BB KIng fan, and I have heard the song. I didn’t put it in the context of King Barry’s investiture until now. It fits perfectly. .

  352. Marching down a hot city street with a heat index of 107 didn’t sound like much fun.

    Not much fun at all. The midwest and mid atlantic are “enjoying” a typical Texas/Oklahoma summer it sounds. Forty days of 100+ heat, followed by a microburst.

    And I desperately need to invest in a sprinkler system. I’m so tired of watering these flower gardens of mine, I could scream.

  353. @Rutherford 448 I’m asking if Rutherford v Nagic is an exclusive thing that should be ignored by others?
    R I tossed you an insiders look back @ 396 which was aimed at your 392.
    Serious if being interested in the overall dialog is wrong give folks a heads up.

    @ pool man I know I’ve made it quite clear I don’t like you and I’ve questioned your intelligence and sanity but I don’t recall ever going the nasty route. So two things for you.
    1) Never question my intelligence or diligence when it comes to what I share,put forth what have you even in the anonymous confines of the Rutherford Lawson blog. I’ve read and examined a vast amount of material that provides me with the confidence to say what I say. The Stericycle story is as I’ve portrayed it,as others have portrayed it. the Mother Jones piece is an intoxicant for the ignorant. Such brews come in bipartisan flavors. This is due to ignorance being a far from limited essence. Drink up.
    2) Having not gone the nasty route. Having in fact been your spiritual advisor of record as evidenced by a number of comments in this thread and others re the write-in thing. I am perplexed why you’ve defaulted to being a homophobic jerk with comments over what is or isn’t in my mouth. Trust me, the only thing in my mouth and the only thing dripping,nay flowing from it is truth and reality.

  354. Wow, it is something else in here this morning, I better get my vaccinations before I return.

  355. Happy Birthday America! I for one hope you have many more but that is sadly a wait and see kind of thing.
    Happy and safe 4th festivities to all. Looks like the sun is back around here so pool,burgers,and fireworks are back on the menu.

    FWIW to the likes of Rutherford and thor I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Mitt Romneys time as Governor was really precast by his predecessors,especially William Weld. (aka my favorite MA gov)
    Romney sparked some positives in the early part of his admin but essentially did no better or worse than any other state executive as the clouds rolled in. He was clearly better than the two term Obama-Lite pygmy we have now.
    Bottom line and this isn’t pro Romney deflection. His time in the corner office on Beacon Hill was unremarkable. I think this is true for many governors here and elsewhere. The governors really have to ramp things up to effect the system. Romney did not do that,he simply held the wheel and made some moves unique to his experience and character.
    Now I know folks will see that last bit and be like…”RomneyCare”!!!!
    I also recognize a number of pro Romney and pro gotcha Romney types echo that. Thing is for all that has been said about MA health care reform,even from Mitt himself,it wasn’t ALL that and a bag of chips. Keep in mind it reshuffled a very special deck of cards (this being MA) and accomplished covering around 4% of the population. (usually seen as 439k people) Keep in mind that in Texas the medicaid expansion alone would go to 2 MILLION people!!!

  356. I’ve been in Texas and Oklahoma in summer, and the weather up here looks familiar. June was like our normal August.

    We have five hundred feet of garden hose and a sprinkler at the end. Otherwise, I flood the garden.

    It is fun to stand under a center pivot on a hot day. I imagine it must be like an open city water hydrant.

    I read several more Democrats may miss the convention. The Sofia Jannuk song, “Irene” I mentioned is basically counting reindeer interspersed with joik. The way trends are moving, one could adapt that song to count delegates to the Democratic National Convention. After all, Democrats and reindeer are both herd animals.

  357. Happy Independence Day, all. Keep up the good fight. Now for another of those damn videos…

  358. The unmitigated gall of a traitor, a self-serving coward and mooch that would facetiously wish anyone Happy Independence Day. An utterly craven coward, who spends the entire year vilifying a country perpetrated by vicious liars and fools – a country that is the only thing that sustains his worthless ass.

    ** VOMIT ** :mad: :mad: :mad:

    Happy Dependence Day for you, Toolman. You are no party to independence. If there were justice, we would sing America the Beautiful while we hanged you on the public square today.

    Worse than an infidel. The absolutely lowest of the low.

  359. @471 that doesn’t fly in the face of anything I said pool man. read the comments again. See #389 in particular.
    Romney still makes money to this day from Bain. Doesn’t mean he is in charge in any way shape or form or responsible for outcomes either pro or con.
    If you’re so full of the drink called ignorance to realize it,well that simply isn’t my problem.

  360. Here’s dripwad Poolman’s crowd.

    http://twitchy.com/2012/07/04/shameful-left-celebrates-independence-day-by-slamming-america/

    Tell you what. You better hope I don’t make it to President, Mr. Rutherford. They’re going to be calling me Genghis Khan, because we are going to rounding up some sorry SOBs up, confiscating their assets (for the general welfare), and shipping them directly to Africa.

    Lowest of the low – I would stand up and cheer the crowd that dragged these sorry POS down the asphalt at 80mph. :twisted:

    Verdict? Not guilty.

  361. Smaller,focused and purposeful is the best scenario for government.-Alfie

    I am in agreement Alfie about wanting a smaller efficient government if that is actually possible. So what’s your take on Colorado Springs that cut back to austerity levels in their police and firefighter forces based on decreased tax revenue then had to call in the National Guard for looting and the Fed for the wildfires? I compare it to the uninsured who depend on ER facilities.

    So is there a solution? The diversity between the liberals and conservatives is not providing solutions just division. What it all boils down to is neither Romney nor Obama is going to make any difference come next January. The American people need to have a wake-up call and start lighting fires under their Congressmen and demand what they want.

  362. @477 and almost every other comment by Newt or no newt. Hope you got those shots ‘cuz here comes the disease. WTF are you on about???? I find most of your comments to be incomplete and unfocused.
    I’m not trying to be mean here but help the readers out…please.

  363. @ Raji 478 I used focused and I did so purposefully.I felt it included “smarter” my bad.
    So with that government could be smarter no doubt. In the realm of public safety this includes: the wider embrace of technology. The ripping down of fiefdom walls. Expansion of reserve,volunteer and private services within the overall service. Keep in mind fire services in particular have helped to create the environment that paints them as less needed. There is a two way street there where both sides need to belly up to the bar. A number of threads ago I expressed the ability to point out a number of fire services/politics issues. Perhaps i should fire away?

  364. @ Raji 478 specifically to what you asked. I don’t see the harm since having lived in Colorado Springs I don’t think their services would’ve been up to the challenge of the wild fires anyway. There is also a distinction between the city and the county. Even combined on a good day they would not have been up to it. On a side note (the sound you hear next is pool mans head exploding) I don’t support how the posse comitatus act is applied. I feel in many ways it has less to do with civil liberties and civilian control functions and more to do with fiefdom union thuggery and arrogance against the people.

  365. Raji,

    What your post failed to account for is that the “greens” that so many treasure, are in large part are to blame for the uncontrolled environment Colorado Springs finds itself in. Same with Estes Park.

    If you’re going to build your homes on a timber, forest fires shouldn’t suddenly become unexpected, unless you are asking our Congressman to solve and pay for the elimination of all risk. That’s a nice pipe dream many liberals carry, but the reality of the elimination is pure bunk and a gigantic waste of money.

    See, my family has property not too far from the fires. And three years ago, I was threatened with a trip to the pokey to stand in front of an eco judge by one of Uncle Sam’s fine, flunky forest rangers for raking up dried pine needles too near the creek and away from the cabin. The home literally adjoins a national forest.

    Buford T. Forest Ranger and his fat accomplice Ms. Smokey Bear, whose horse strained under the weight of her girth, told me that was my one and only warning. Public enemy #1.

    It’s not so much the problem with Congress, but the dependency of millions of helpless, hapless folks who think gov’t is our answer to every problem, and that risk can be completely eliminated if we throw enough money at its elimination – as long as it is someone else money to pay for it.

    Leftism at its finest.

  366. Rutherford, I really don’t care what you or anyone else thinks of my sexuality. I am happily married, and the furthest thing fro a homophobe. So knock yourself out rubbing one out while pondering the possibilities.

    As long as propaganda flies with you, I will be happy to use it in return. No crying foul when it comes back at you. Remember, you set the stage.

    You didn’t address the Trump statement, you dismissed it out of hand. It isn’t supposed to move the ball forward, it is supposed to put it to a screeching halt. This statement highlights many of the flaws with the plan and you, like usually, bury you head in the sand and pretend that…everything is gunna be alright.

    You didnt address Canada, you cherry picked one minute point, and called it quits. I am sure you gave it all the effort you do everything else in life, and it showed. Here is the part you missed.

    Timeline Dec 2011
    The median wait time is 19 weeks between the referral from a general practitioner and the start of elective treatment, finds the report, released by the Fraser Institute Monday.

    At 104 per cent longer than it was in 1993, this is the longest total wait time recorded since the Fraser Institute began measuring wait times in Canada.

    Wait times for a referral to a specialist rose to 9.5 weeks in 2011 from 8.9 weeks in 2010. And the wait time between a visit to a specialist and actual medical treatment increased to 9.5 weeks from 9.3 weeks.

    Though Ontario has the shortest total wait time for surgery among the provinces, with an average wait of 14.3 weeks between a visit to a GP and the receipt of treatment, that’s up from 14 weeks in 2010.

    Conversely, Prince Edward Island had the longest total wait time at 43.9 weeks.

    “Canadians are being forced to wait almost 4 ½ months, on average, to receive surgical care, prolonging the pain and suffering patients and their families are forced to endure,” said Mark Rovere, a co-author of the report. “Despite significant increases in government health spending, Canadians are still waiting too long to access medically necessary treatment,” Rovere said.

    353. nagic | July 3, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    In 1995-96 when their system came online, Canada spent $17.6 billion. In 2009-2010, Canada spent $42.6 billion on health care. Of Canada’s total expenditure on all programs, 43% goes to health care, 20% Other, 14% to education, 13% Children’s and Social Services, 7% Post-secondary Ed and Training, 4% Justice.

  367. But Alfie, you know more about my opinions than you heard from Mitt Romney and you are all keyed up to vote for him in November.

  368. Raining here. Kind of puts the kibosh on the cookouts. Made a short workday for me. Room for one more damn video posting…

  369. He’s already touted it.

    I never said he didn’t tout it. I say it’s a waste of his time to do it. The American people, when we get right down to it, don’t give a sh*t that he “ran” the Olympics.

  370. The uncleared forests, irrationally kept that way by moron environmentalists, is a HUGE problem.

    I hate to say this but I despise the DNR. Fucking SS of the woods. They can walk right in your house sans warrent. I know a few lawless places in the UP where they stuff DNR uniforms with straw and hang them.

  371. “I never said he didn’t tout it. I say it’s a waste of his time to do it.”

    You’re saying he’s supposed to run away from it or fail to hang it out? Hogwash.

    The dumb attack from the lefties is the deliberate distraction from Obama’s record. Most see that.

    The anti-business sentiment you talk about is the MSNBC/OWS crowd, not the majority.

    His succeses are not viewed as failures by most R. No waste of time whatsoever.

  372. When readers have finished with this story, we would be very surprised if they didn’t end up with a highly pessimistic query: Is there anything MSNBC can cover without spoiling it?

    The answer, as it turns out, may be “no.” For you see, even on the 4th of July, arguably the one day when every American, regardless of party affiliation, should be celebrating, MSNBC has decided it wants to remind its viewers of just how many awful things America has been responsible for.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/imperialism-and-genocide-the-4th-of-july-according-to-msnbc/

  373. Romney is focused on the anti-Obama message becuase it’s his best and most effective argument.

    Mmmmm I hear an echo. That is exactly what I said.

  374. You’re always correcting us about the spelling of candidates…

    You’re usually not one for false accusations Tex. I almost never correct spelling on this blog so I don’t know where you’re coming from on that one unless it was a pure joke. Hell, I blockquote some real doozies all the time and I always deal with content, not spelling or grammar.

  375. Tex your link to the “confession” from the guy who likes small breasts is really more profound than you think. I know this is not your goal, but there should come a day when gay folks don’t feel they have to come out. When it will simply be a preference …. like enjoying small breasts.

  376. I’m asking if Rutherford v Nagic is an exclusive thing that should be ignored by others?

    Oddly, Noah and I had toned down the rhetoric and were being disagreeably civil to each other for a bit. Then he had to go and call me a bitch (again).

    So, if the exchanges entertain, feel free to enjoy them. If they don’t, just skip right on to the other stuff. :-)

  377. Wow, it is something else in here this morning, I better get my vaccinations before I return.

    LOL I should actually create a new page called “Vaccinations Advisory”. Newt, it gets toxic in here quite often. I actually administer the comments section while wearing a hazmat suit. :-)

  378. Forgive my ignorance but could someone wise me up? Is Drudge just an aggregation site or does it have any original “journalism” on it?

  379. President Taylor, ship them to Alaska not Africa. Africa has enough problems. And good ole Sarah Palin can slap these traitors into shape, you betcha!

  380. Noah, what about ACA is not about Canada did you not understand? Throw all the Canadian stats at me that you like, it makes no difference.

    Alfie, I understand some of the non-free market stuff in Obamacare, but the big one — the expansion of Medicaid — was ruled optional in the recent SCOTUS decision and many states have said they won’t do it. That brings us right back to the free market side and dumping lots more customers into the commercial capitalist market. To say Obamacare is socialist is an incredible over simplification.

  381. Oh bullshit, Mika Rutherford. I once spelled it Marc Rubio and you wet your pants correcting me, followed by one of your stupid euphemistic witticisms that leave the rest of us scratching our head wondering how somebody’s head could be so large, yet so empty. And that wasn’t the first time – just the most recent perhaps six months ago.

    Rutherford, you’ve become so diluted by watching what you watch and listening to those Sandi B. clones, you are actually starting to read like Mika and reason like Sandi the hermaphrodite.

    Have no fear – I understand HBO is now busily constructing a show to damage Roger Ailes. :lol: Is that what it has come to? You’re now left chasing station presidents?

    You malcontent leftists have become truly and obsessively psychotic and disillusioned. I suppose that is the end result of watching your hope & dreams of Jesus Obama and his wife Jezebel in melt down mode. The daily cover up and lies of formulating a plausible deniability is wearing on you, old friend. You and your wife need to turn off the TV and go watch some sci fi, or something. And remember while you’re watching it, like PMSNBC, it’s not real. :wink:

    I guess with the Roger Ailes announcement, we can officially announce the Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, BushChimpyMcHitler schtick has run its course and isn’t working?

    A new Bill Maher target must be found. It’s really hurtful watching an entire group of helpless saps circle the drain. Still, after eight years of Bush bashing, it couldn’t happen to a more deserving folk.

  382. Newt sorry your last comment went into moderation … you changed email addresses on me and WP does not like that. I just approved it.

  383. Tigre, first, even Romney doesn’t talk a lot about the Olympics. Sorry dude … it just does not resonate with the average person as a SERIOUS qualification.

    Second, polling in states that have lost manufacturing jobs, shows that the anti-Bain ads against Romney are working.

    Do not fool yourself. These states are a tossup cos they don’t like Obama but they DON’T trust Romney. Romney does indeed look like the guy who laid you off.

    P.S. Having spent 24 years in corporate, I actually like Romney from a biz perspective. I think I would have liked having him as a boss. Well, that is until he laid me off. ;-)

  384. President Taylor, ship them to Alaska not Africa.

    Why would I pollute Alaska with the company of millions of lazy, stupid and racist malcontents? Besides, they don’t like the cold, don’t know the meaning of work, and the freeloading I understand is next to impossible. :grin:

    Explains why Canada and Alaska are doing well.

    Why don’t you ask Chris Rock :roll: how much we would have to raise for him to move to Liberia and forgo one more Independence Day?

    Reminds me of Adrian Peterson, making a cool $10.2 million a year to carry a football, calling the NFL strike last year slavery.

    Answer me something, Rutherford since you run with these piggish buffoons. How can a human be so monumentally stupid?

  385. News flash Noah … your country ain’t perfect. Now I’m the first to admit that it’s a bit impolite to say “Happy Birthday Rutherford and by the way, you need a lot of improvement.” LOL Melissa might have chosen to bypass her assessment at this particular time. But her message is right on. We admire America partly for what it is and partly for what it has always aspired to be. Not a damn thing unpatriotic about that.

  386. Oh bullshit, Mika Rutherford. I once spelled it Marc Rubio and you wet your pants correcting me, …

    Oh please get the f*ck over yourself. I correct you twice in a year and suddenly I’m a spelling scold? You’re full of sh*t.

    Tex, this is a sore spot with you cos I know you actually hate misspelling things. It’s evident by the number of times you follow up a comment with a spelling correction.

    Bottom line … I DON’T school people here on grammar or spelling. If you think I do, prove it. And two corrections in one year ain’t proof of anything but your outsized sensitivity.

  387. Anybody that’s not named Newt and doesn’t fawn over Obama. That would eliminate the rank propagandists.

    You want to see the epitome of a distraught feminist, suffering from delusions of grandeur believing she’s a hero and the GOP has declared war on Jesus Obama veterans? Someone cast to the winds of hopelessly hideous? Another writer like Thor of really fascinating science fiction – I think it’s her autobiography from the rubber room.

    It’s not Margaret & Helen. It’s not Cindy Sheehan. It’s this:

    http://www.elizabethmoon.com/
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Now tell me. Does that not look like the lefty feminist mold? Is there anything more pitiful than an aged Woodstocker who never let go? It’s like Stalinists in Russia.

    Can you imagine sleeping beside something like that? :twisted: I’ll bet the bed smells like rosemary and mothballs.

    Yeah Newt. I could tell the minute I laid eyes on that 420 granola cruncher lady, she was completely credible.

  388. I think the HBO show you’re thinking of Tex is one that just premiered starring Jeff Daniels as a conservative version of Keith Olbermann. It’s so-so. Written and produced by Aaron Sorkin (“West Wing”). It’s called “The Newsroom”. Like I said, it’s so-so but has enough good moments to be on my watch list.

  389. Did you see Aaron Sorkin’s comment today about Independence Day, Rutherford. You’ve really cast yourself with some fine, fine people. ** SPIT **

    http://digg.com/newsbar/Politics/shameful_aaron_sorkin_left_celebrate_independence_day_by_slamming_america_update_chris_rock_joins_in_twitchy

    This is why you are so fucked up, Rutherford. This is your reality. You have absolutely no idea why people are dying to immigrate to America. And neither do these sorry, lying f*cks.

  390. “Cruel ages are put on their guard against sentimentality; feckless and idle ones against Respectability; lecherous ones against Puritanism; and whenever all men are really hastening to be tyrants we make Liberalism the prime bogey.” ~ C.S. Lewis (Satan in the Screwtape Letters)

  391. Chris Rock and the others neglected the black contribution to our freedoms. I’ve mentioned before that Sarah Palin caught flak for saying she was glad to be around real Americans when she campaigned in West Virginia, I think. She was right.

    If Bain Capital is gaining traction it is because the Washington Post has lied and the Obama campaign repeats the story. . Obama may win the election, and so far his primary weapon is the ignorance of many Americans. Obama’s own campaign has outsourced jobs. Ignorance is his best friend.

  392. I don’t remember the Senators’ name, only that he is also a doctor. You, Rutherford, have struggled valiantly against physical problems, and I hope you will be around for a long time. If the Senator is right about Obamacare, your future will be bleak. At the very least, you will have time to catch up on your reading, because you will spending more time than you know in waiting rooms.

  393. Per my 235 Rutherford you said…..

    Now one of you (I don’t remember who) said that the Canadian system only works if you have a run of the mill problem but for life threatening issues, there are wait times.

    So which is it?

    I don’t think anyone here has the slightest idea what they’re talking about regarding Canada. I’ve heard from Canadians and Brits who are quite happy with their health care.

    To which I posted my information. Sorry I didn’t remind you each subsequent what you were supposed to be focused on.

    I will take your inability to challenge any of the points made by Trump or Whittle as an admission of their truth and factual nature. I am glad we agree.

  394. PF, that link contains some serious foolsihness (#513). The libs weren’t “had.” Come on. Roberts imposed a potentially huge “tax” burden to make Obama look bad? No fucking way. He caved to other pressures and interests — duping the left wasn’t one of them. We’re stuck with a Rube Goldeberg-like health care plan and disastrous precedent for those reasons? Puhleeeze.

    Who’s the zipperhead that wrote that thing? Hopefully not one of your respected “lawyer” friends.

  395. Tigre and Pfesser, my take is somewhere in between concerning the Obama Mandated Health Care Tax. This verdict could prove to a great day in America. But that is predicated on two very dicey propositions.

    Republicans must win both the Presidency and the senate, while retaining the house.

    I’ve got a friend of a friend that actually went to school with Roberts. Sent me a copy of a letter last night the friend had written. If you are to believe “the friend of a friend”, it assures us Roberts is as Conservative as Scalia.

    Don’t know about that.

  396. POS WordPress apparently ate my last comment concerning the Robert’s decision. Screw it. Ain’t writing it again.

    Rutherford, the rest of you feckless leftists that reside on this board? How come you moonbats have been strangely silent on the new book clearly documenting Barack Obama’s penchant for twisting his life story like a pretzel? :grin:

    Reads to me like Barry was born the congenital liar. And nothing much has changed. Why don’t you write a post on this one, “R”?

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/04/obama-american-story-faces-fresh-scrutiny/

  397. To all my friends, particularly those conservatives who are despondent over the searing betrayal by Chief Justice John Roberts and the pending demise of our beloved country, I offer this perspective to convey some profound hope and evidence of the Almighty’s hand in the affairs of men in relation to the Supreme Court’s decision on Obamacare.

    Read more: http://godfatherpolitics.com/5961/did-justice-roberts-pull-one-over-liberals/#ixzz1zl5ITKBc

    Now if that intro isn’t evidence of a deranged mind, I don’t know what is. “despondent”? “pending demise”? To Richard Bolen, I can only say, get out of your mother’s basement and get some fresh air.

  398. Oh yeah, Rutherford. Completely jealous of Elizabeth Moon. You got me pegged, man. Pass the roach clip while I try to strum this cheap guitar some more and take pictures of insects.

    That’s really my true life ambition. To become an old clinger to a failed 60s ideology, never grow up or grow old, and pen science fiction that nobody has heard of, while looking like I washed my face with lava for 60 years. :roll:

    Damn, you are mind boggling perceptive. Like the Whigs.

  399. “Mmmmm I hear an echo. That is exactly what I said.”

    R, are you doing this just to substantiate Noah’s accusations about isolating a word or phrase? Why do you do this? There’s more to what I said.

    Let’s me try and make it retard-proof: The response to Obama;s distorted ad campaign should be for Romney to scream about his success at Bain from the mountaintops, not hide from it; that’s Obama’s and MSNBC’s objective. Fuck. The attacks on Bain or just stupid, and Romney’s handling of the Olympics exceeds anything your Messiah has accomplished on his own.

    R, you shouldn’t be be shocked to learn that not everybody formulates their views from a lying Obama propaganda t.v. station. Obama has nothing to show successful leadership on anything. It’s just painful watching hike credit for others’ accomplishments, denying that his failures occurred, or casting blame on someone else for the. Yet you nod along with the smug satisfaction the cast of geniuses at MSNBC reinforce.

    The Obama administration is the antithesis of leadership — and look at what the MSNBCers are going for today. Obama’s business succeses, umm, Solyndra and the littany of the others? No. Stericycle? Really? You support abortion and think that Romney’s economic interest in Stericycle that disposes of medical waste and the product of the “woman;s right to choose” proves Romney is unfit for the job or that Obama’s a better choice? Run that logic out for us. I dare you. It only appeals to the non-thinking Obama base that isn’t going to be persuaded anyway. And for the love of God, don;t bother typing out, “I already said Stericycle was a worthless issue.” There’s a bigger point I’m trying to make R. Context or as you like to say, “nuance.”

    Romney needn’t hide from Bain or the Olympics. Didn’t Biden say something about Romney’s sterling record at Bain or something to that effect? (God, Biden’s such a tool — have you figured out they use him to test message yet?)

    R, really. I beg of you. Turn MSNBC off for a day. Make your case for Obama or observations founded on reality as opposed to MSNBC wish-casting and propaganda. Nobody who watches that God forsaken shit is going to change their vote based on what they’re told. You and they watch for another purpose.

  400. More from Bolen.

    As I write this the libs don’t even know what has happened; they just think Roberts is great and that they won and we are all going to have free, unlimited healthcare services and we are all going to live happily ever after.

    Putting aside the financial burden on the country what exactly is wrong with everyone having unlimited free healthcare services? I really don’t get this. Being healthy is a privilege? I don’t know whether Bolen has given the matter insufficient thought or he’s just a very cynical bastard.

  401. When HBO (Helping Barack Obama) and CNN (Clinton News Network) fold tent, and they are both starting to teeter (they offering HBO for free here and nobody is taking it), dozens and dozens of viewers will be switching to PMSNBC for their nightly fix, jumping PMSBNC viewership over E! into 34th place in the cable ratings.

    Have faith, Rutherford! There’s still a large contingent of SuperDome save me Obama types out there you can win over for viewership.

  402. R, don;t burn up any braincells on Bolen. That whole piece is pretty dumb and looks to be written for email circulation. Of course, to most libs, federally provided means the same thing as “free.”

  403. Sorry I just can’t stop:

    This too is huge because Obama assiduously avoided using the term “tax” and now he has to admit this law is a tax and it is on everyone, even the poor.

    What an ignorant oaf. It is a tax on those who do not purchase health insurance and fall within a certain income. Do you know what the estimate is? 1% of Americans will pay the tax.

    Pfesser, dammit man, you’re smarter than this.

  404. Tex, in R’s defense, if he nitpicked spelling and grammar I’d be banned. How he (or anyone else) can decipher half the shit I slop down is a testament to R’s patience.

    Now, if we could work on his comprehension. . . :lol:

  405. Being healthy is a privilege?

    No, being healthy is a personal responsibility – a term Leftists completely unfamiliar.

    Putting aside the financial burden for a second, when are you and the Mrs. going to buy a new mandated Volt?

  406. “Putting aside the financial burden for a second, when are you and the Mrs. going to buy a new mandated Volt?”
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Ah yes. An “Obama Business Success” tax.

  407. Ahhh the kicker … The Bolen Law Firm … Lexington, South Carolina. I should’ve known. And then they wonder why they lost the war. :lol: :lol:

  408. Do you know what the estimate is? 1% of Americans will pay the tax.

    Really? Then why does the Obamacare Mandated Health Care Tax take more than $500 billion from Medicare and cost the nation an estimated $1.7 trillion over ten years?

    And why does ObamaCare required states to increase eligibility for Medicaid to 133 percent of the poverty line, or roughly $30,000 per year for a family of four? The expansion would also make childless single men eligible for Medicaid for the first time (a very expensive demographic, by the way).

    And why In all, about 40 percent of all the people projected to gain coverage under ObamaCare would do so via Medicaid?

    But you haven’t even addressed the biggest cost, Rutherford. Tigre’s right. You’ve been lied to by PMSNBC for so long, you’ve completely lost the ability to think critically.

    See, the real imposed real costs are on states. For example, the Medicaid expansion would cost New Jersey taxpayers roughly $35 billion over 10 years, and New Yorkers as much as $52 billion.

    You want to explain to me how the government is paying for all that when only 1% of Americans are paying the “tax?”

    That was truly Newt Poolman worthy… :roll:

  409. Who knew, a credible female veteran like Elizabeth Moon could get under Tex’s skin? Almost everyone here I suppose, the old green-eyed monster just took over once again. It is about patriotism Tex, give credit where credit is due. Did you serve your country? No? Well then walk a mile in someone else’s shoes, before you judge.
    Sorry about the email thing R, used the one I reserve for shopping at Fredrick’s of Hollywood Online.

  410. How come you moonbats have been strangely silent on the new book clearly documenting Barack Obama’s penchant for twisting his life story

    Actually I have mentioned the book in prior threads. I think you’re referring to the one written by Marannis? He has a good reputation and the book has been lauded as a very fair assessment of Obama.

  411. I think Roberts called it like he saw it. It’s not his responsibilty to protect America from Obama’s obvious lies. To him, any sane person should have the critical thinking skills to see a huge fucking tax, despite what loyal mindless supporters like Rutherford spew. I think he is wrong. Taxes should be called taxes. I seriously doubt Roberts folded due to outside pressure or had some elaborate plan to serve Obama a dish of very cold revenge.

  412. Yeah Tex, she pens science fiction that no one has heard of besides the BBC. :roll:

    Look I’m not saying she’s Ray Bradbury but she clearly isn’t a deadbeat.

  413. Let’s me try and make it retard-proof

    I prefer the phrase “Rutherford-retardant”. :-)

    Tigre, of course both Obama and Biden have acknowledged Romney’s success. How can they not? He’s a very rich man based on his success. But he’s successful at creating wealth. Not at creating jobs. Not at even creating a product. Have you noticed how his original claim of creating thousands of jobs has fallen silent? He knows better … and so do you.

  414. Who knew, a credible female veteran like Elizabeth Moon could get under Tex’s skin? Almost everyone here I suppose, the old green-eyed monster just took over once again. It is about patriotism Tex, give credit where credit is due. Did you serve your country? No? Well then walk a mile in someone else’s shoes, before you judge.

    You know, Newt. I’m immensely jealous of Lizzie Moon. I admit it and it crawls through me like a million stinging ants.

    I always wanted to resemble Granny Clampett and write science fiction nobody reads as my life’s mission. I was especially jealous of Lizzie’s lifetime collaboration of insect pictures. :wink:

    Let me tell you something about the wonders of awarding hero status to everyone who has served and deeming them patriotic for the sole reason of signing up. Private Bradley Manning served. So did Ft. Hood massacre artist Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan. So did Lynndie England of Abu Ghraib fame.

    See Newt, like a few here and to a lesser degree Rutherford, you too have a huge problem choking on the gnat and reading only what you wish to read. Serving in and of itself is meaningless without honor. Honor is a trait leftists like yourself don’t fully understand – in fact, there is a dearth of it in the entire current Dimocratic party – caricatured by men like Eric Holder. Self-absorption is your common trait, along with gross incompetence, dishonesty, often accompanied by abject stupidity.

    So you’ve got to ask yourself this question, Newt.

    If our military is so disrespected by us Republicans, so put upon by its leaders, holds Barack Obama in such high esteem, hated by Veterans, and values serving under you pinko’s patriot’s jurisdiction, why is it that invariably the military vote breaks 2 -1 for every Republican President?

    So overwhelming in fact, that one of you and Liz’s games over the years has been to suppress the military oversea’s vote by a host of unscrupulous machinations – ballots never received or sent out late; lost in the mail, too late to be tabulated, etc…Happened in both 2000, 2004, 2008. Now, many of us might call that a trend.

    The problem Newt I have with Lizzie Moon isn’t I’m jealous. It’s that she is an obvious liar adjoined to a pack of hapless, helpless liars and that millions of you rubes, stooges and dupes willingly believe her.

  415. I bet Elizabeth Moon has a massive hairy triangle that smells of patchuli, salted fish, hemp oil and rotting fruit. The triangle probably breaks down at the inner thigh, as course hair spirals out, masking spider vains. Amazingly, after an intense drum circle and lots of Humboldt Gold, the entire commune eats from earthy trough nonetheless.

  416. The triangle probably breaks down at the inner thigh, as course hair spirals out, masking spider vains. Amazingly, after an intense drum circle and lots of Humboldt Gold, the entire commune eats from earthy trough nonetheless.

    :lol: Classic, once again.

  417. Now, if we could work on his comprehension. . . :lol:

    It’s not my fault that I thought the three R’s were relaxing, relaxing and relaxing. :-)

  418. when are you and the Mrs. going to buy a new mandated Volt?

    Unlike you I give the government some credit for a little common sense. But then I’m forgetting the logic:

    First they took my money for social security and I said nothing
    Then they took my money for Medicare and I said nothing
    Then they took my money for health care and I said nothing
    Then they made me buy a Volt and I said nothing
    Now I can’t find my wife because they took her away to sell her body on the street for the State’s general welfare!

    Oooooh the slippery slippery slope!

  419. So when you going to get Leo barcoded, Rabbit? That’s Lizzie Moon’s new goal – to have all of earth’s citizens barcoded at birth.

    Sounds like someone we should all hold in high esteem and value her opinion? Lizzie Auschwitz.

    What Rutherford obviously missed that I provided above, isn’t that Lizzie is known for her sterling science fiction – it’s that she’s such a loon and moonbat of political activism ala Cindy Sheehan, she’s become an object of morbid curiosity from the global community.

    Another caboose of millions of cabooses heading backwards on the track to meet the granite cliff of reality.

  420. First they took my money for social security and I said nothing
    Then they took my money for Medicare and I said nothing
    Then they took my money for health care and I said nothing
    Then they made me buy a Volt and I said nothing
    Now I can’t find my wife because they took her away to sell her body on the street for the State’s general welfare!

    I’m blown away. That’s the best thing you ever provided here, Rutherford. Almost spiritual… :grin:

    And completely by accident.

  421. LOL Bolen is black???? Well slap my ass and call me Charlie.

    I wonder … any history buffs on the blog here? Were there any blacks in the Confederate army? That would be funny as sh*t if there were.

  422. Hey Tex, you think 550 is worthy of posting on BiW’s blog? You can claim it as your own. Consider it my Independence Day gift to you. :-)

  423. Haven’t you seen the movie Glory? :smile: It was on yesterday. Good movie too. A shame that Matthew Broderick is such a loon and Morgan Freeman had to tap his granddaughter. :twisted:

    I do like them in movies. Still, I think Denzel is a good guy. Hope he doesn’t disappoint like Morgan did.

  424. Sorry about the email thing R, used the one I reserve for shopping at Fredrick’s of Hollywood Online.

    LOL I love it.

    Joe Walsh who I’m ashamed to admit is from my state, has really gone off the reservation in his criticism of his disabled veteran opponent. How he can think this is a winning strategy beats the crap out of me.

  425. By the way, Toolman™. Did you note my source? :grin:

    If that doesn’t turn you on your female counterpart, Newt, nothing will. Picked that one especially for you.

  426. Here Newt> I found something maybe you could address for the crowd to test the chops. I found you Lizzie accusations wanting. Perhaps you might fare better addressing this:

    Liberals ignore Obama’s Guantanamos

    Could any of you patriots from the world of Leftydom care to address this? Or should you and Lizzie sweep this under the rug of our military being mercenaries – but only under the auspices of Bush?

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/liberals-ignore-obama-guantanamos-article-1.1106633?localLinksEnabled=false

  427. @ 556 if you flick the emotion switch off for a moment you could probably work it out. Let me help you.
    Walsh has offered a criticism that isn’t without validity. It is also alas not without precedent as many candidates right and left tend to pick an emotional item and flog it to death as opposed to facing issues.
    Walsh vs Duckworth have excellent issues differences which in a better electorate pool would prove an interesting and important race.
    That said lets accept that the bulk of voters are dumb. Lets further accept that Duckworth albeit involuntarily is a feelings machine.
    Full statements by Walsh shows he isn’t nearly as disrespectful as the absolute douchebag Moon portrays.
    Final note. If it were my district I couldn’t vote for either candidate. TPM vs Tax and spend=losers

  428. One of the comments:

    If you think a US army private putting women’s panties on a terrorists head and taking his photograph is worse than dropping a drone and killing his entire family: YOU MIGHT BE A LIBERAL.
    :lol:

  429. Tens of thousands of black men fighting to preserve a culture of enslavement. Is it any wonder that to this day the black community gets so little respect from the establishment?

    I may have to start researching eugenics. Only innate mental deficiency could account for the stat Alfie quoted. :-(

  430. I don’t know if it is because I despise the sic-fi genre so much or what but I wanted to expand on the Moon.
    Here’s a good example of a person inexplicably in the public spot light being paid attention. Celebrity boggles my mind as a norm,it angers me when folks get lazy and continually tap celebrities as if they mean anything.
    Anyway Ms Moon was actually in the rightosphere happy seat before. She offered up a blog post that won her condemnation from a feminist sic fi writers gala. the rightosphere applauded her for calling out Muslims to be better immigrants in light of events surrounding 9/11/2010.
    Now she’s in the dog house and foe and ally alike find the BBC to be the credibility supplier. That sound is me banging my head up against the wall. The program me she was tapped for looks in a number of places to find insights. Her input being a rather farcical bar code thing.
    Writers,singers, and comedians are all the rage in the social fabric/influence thing. They trend left. My question has and always will be….WHY????

  431. Not much to argue about in that Daily News article, at least on principle. What I understand least about our current President is his ferocity in fighting terrorism. He has indeed put “Cheney is a war criminal” liberals in a bad spot.

  432. @ 563 actually it seems to be based in a) a considerable number of folks in servant service positions. b) still more sensing a connection to what they considered their country. c) potential to view service as a means of freedom.
    It really shouldn’t be a big surprise. Buffalo Soldiers are of interest as is the dynamics found if you explore WWI and WWII black service members. Seriously shitty standards there. WWII you tend to only hear about the Tuskegee airman. Should listen a little harder to the port fucks sent to the Alaskan highway and Navy ammo dumps. There are a number of stories that capture the WWI era bewilderment of hoe the French were nice to blacks and many knew damn well back home they were screwed. Some stayed in Paris and tried to make a go of it. Entertainers of the era also found Paris to be something to think about.

  433. ABC News “Outsourcing and Offshoring:Is there really a difference?”

    “Outsourcing is what the Obama campaign does when they hire an outside telemarketing vendor to provide telemarketing service. This is what companies do every day…”

    “Did Obama’s campaign outsource work overseas?.ABC News.”

    They paid call centers in British Columbia and Manila, Philippines. This information is subject to debate. No one knows for certain where the campaign money went. But as I wrote before, I am playing by rules the left set and making the assumptions they would do if the situation were reversed.

  434. “Have you noticed how his original claim of creating thousands of jobs has fallen silent? He knows better … and so do you.”

    No. No I don’t. If the measure is “created or saved,” then Romney walks on water.

    Still can’t get around your MSNBC truths?

    Someday I hope you’ll try to understand what VC and Private Equity are all about.

    Of course I I hoped you would actually read the Obamacare opinion too. :roll:

  435. If that doesn’t turn you on your female counterpart, Newt, nothing will. Picked that one especially for you.

    My female counterpart is actually here in the kitchen making banana bread. We’re getting ready for a little retreat up to cooler climes for a couple days. I know you guys will miss me. Lol.

    As for noncommittal newt, we have our common ground AND opposing views. She obviously will vote democrat this November, as long as the election is still held, and I am all in for Ron Paul.

    Maybe someday you’ll get that this governing thing isn’t a competitive team sport, and that every person is unique, even as Ms Moon’s own article points out. The objective is NOT to crush your ‘opponent’. We’re supposed to operate democratically. An ideal, I know, but one based on the value of every individual.

    I don’t go for the government ID permanently imprinted or impregnated in our bodies for obvious reasons, but it does make sense from an accounting/logical stand point. Veterinarians use it. The military has too. Unfortunately it does have other ramifications, as Alex Jones and others do point out. From a biblical slant, it’s the ushering in of the global cabal’s control and a one world system. This is considered by many as the famous the ‘mark’ of the beast.

    No one can buy or sell without that ‘mark’, so the prophecy claims.

    But if you cannot recognize ‘the beast’, then there isn’t anything I can do to save you. We are all responsible for ourselves and the reason we have so much trouble recognizing that is because we have given that personal responsibility to others in the form of government. The more we ‘free’ ourselves of personal responsibility, the greater our enslavement by these institutions we have set up to ‘protect’ us. “Come out of her…

  436. Alfie the big problem with Walsh’s approach is that it takes place against the backdrop of the GOP’s almost sickening worship of soldiers. Within the past year we’ve had GOPhers boo a gay serviceman on television and now besmirch a Corporal who lost body parts defending her country. Yet, let any lib say squat about a soldier and they are labeled a traitor or worse.

    And Walsh’s rhetoric on this HAS sucked. He has said basically “yes, I agree she’s a hero … but enough already.” Try letting any lib get away with that.

    Now with that said, I think calls for Walsh’s resignation are over the top. He just deserves a good punch in the nose. (Preferably from Duckworth) :-)

  437. Alfie, why do they trend left or why are they all the rage? There are loads of reasons for the cult of personality. Identification with the star, vicarious involvement in issues via the star, etc etc.

  438. @566 If I were to offer an opinion on that it would be as follows.
    Neither Bush or Obama are fighting a war on terrorism per se. It is more about the much bigger picture of an evolving global geopolitical strategy. Each POTUS has personal leanings in one direction or another and 2013 will not see a dawn of a new direction.
    Energy and resources are the biggest drivers here.
    It is falsely viewed purely with an Islamic v West eye,it is more about spheres of influence. This is playing out on a focused scale in the Caucasus where even Israel is finding new allies.
    The Horn of Africa is another area where the spheric view is afoot.
    Last but by no means least there is the USA’s “Pacific Pivot”.

  439. Our neighbor, a veteran of WW11 Omaha Beach and the Battle of the Bulge told a lot of storied. The British women like to date blacks. They were polite, nice looking, exotic, and had money to spend. The British men complained that blacks were monopolizing most of the women.

    The high command finally forbid blacks to take shore leave. Black sailors were infuriated, and rioted. Our neighbor was one to quell the mutiny. He didn’t know how many blacks were killed or injured, but he thought he had killed three.

    I think descendents of black WW1 soldiers still live in France.

  440. One of the problems global warming watchers run into is confusing climate with the weather. That said, doesn’t this heat wave give any of you the spooks? It’s supposed to hit 102 today.

    Get the “humans-caused-it” out of the way for a minute. What if the atmosphere that protects us from the sun really is breaking down? We are royally screwed. Shouldn’t it be investigated so we can find some way to change our destiny?

  441. Writers,singers, and comedians are all the rage in the social fabric/influence thing. They trend left. My question has and always will be….WHY????

    Though at least two here disagree with me, I think the reasons very clear to me, Alfie.

    Most of the artsy, craftsy type and those whose blood is filled with seeking the limelight always struck me as confused about a great many things. One of those was purpose.

    Since I have always contended man created for a greater purpose than simply existence and pleasure which is manifested by our self awareness, and that quality endowed in each of us whether we recognize it or not, our gifts not equally distributed; the characteristic displays itself through our choice of what do we to seek satisfaction.

    Adulation leading to gratification? Or the realization self fulfillment fleeting, and there is something much more to life? You don’t necessarily have to “have religion” to understand a large portion of it and come to the right conclusions about a great many things, but you invariably run into the proverbial brick wall of questions not easily explained without it.

    A contorted confused ramble of pseudo theology and psychology which I don’t much care to share at present because it would take a heck of a lot of explanation, sounding like Rutherford’s sociology babble of essay answers, but it is still one that I am most sure of…

  442. ”Writers,singers, and comedians are all the rage in the social fabric/influence thing. They trend left. My question has and always will be….WHY????”

    I’m more intrigued by psychology than most of you, except perhaps for Rutherford. So I’ll take a crack at it

    Sorkin and Rock are two examples of where I think the answer lies. Especially Sorkin – a recovering drug addict.

    Liberals like to think theirs is the more logical ideology, the more cerebral, more thoughtful. Not true.

    Creatives and the celebrities are typically emotionally dysfunctional. Witness their love lives. They get to that early adulthood stage and they stay there emotionally for one reason or another. Some stop growing before adulthood. Many have hedonistic tendencies common to creatives, many drink to excess or take drugs or are in recovery – all states that suspend emotional growth. They don’t recognize the simplicity of their need for pleasure, so they keep trying to satisfy it instead of finding the right room for it in their lives. Like a hungry kid who eats until he’s stuffed and his tummy hurts. Drugs, sex, anything that pleasures. Approbation, acceptance, adoration. An audience.

  443. Toolman™,

    As I am sure you are aware, I find you the proverbial joke, confused and frankly mentally ill – the latter no pun intended. The fact that I find you unredeemed, unedifying, despicable, a traitor, shallow, and the height of pretentious is not why I write this to you:

    But if you cannot recognize ‘the beast’, then there isn’t anything I can do to save you.

    Truthfully, I am surprise you can recognize your own car from day to day. But the one thing I am sure of, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is there is absolutely, positively nothing you can offer to "save me."

    And since you hate our government, accusing it of the most egregious crimes, I fail to understand why you put up with it and don't seek your kingdom on earth.

    And I suspect your type of kingdom would lead to the villages of Ghana, where upon removal of your aluminum helmet, you would drink jugs of cyanide laced Kool Aid and declare Ron Paul god.

  444. @ 573….loads of reasons and none of them very good.
    @ the spirit of 571…calls them like you see ‘em is fine with me. I think on balance there is a line all parties need to recognize when it comes to veteran status and active service. Service doesn’t insulate against getting smacked for saying or doing something viewed as dishonorable. On the flip side it isn’t the proverbial free pass some try to use it as. Again though you’re getting into the honor issue which I think Tex touched on earlier.

    Lets’s have a bipartisan,civilian & veteran poll….
    Politi-weasel veteran Quiz?
    A. John Murtha
    B. John McCain
    C. John Kerry
    D. Allen West.
    I say A&C are the worse with Murtha hands down the worst.
    I look at B&D and have a hard time figuring out the ranking.
    Alfie=(R) Veteran

  445. Tigre, fascinating quote from Jefferson Davis regarding it being preferable to give up your slave rather than be enslaved yourself.

    Wouldn’t it be interesting to imagine an alternate history in which the South really DID secede over states rights primarily and NOT over slavery … and if we survived as two nations … with the South freeing their slaves of their own volition and blacks enjoying a better standard of living down there than up here.

    Damn, if only I could write fiction, I’d get started on a manuscript.

  446. Tex, I had my reply written before I saw yours. I’d love to hear what you describe in your last paragraph as a a psychobabble ramble (I’m paraphrasing). But I understand how difficult that would be in this forum. Anyway I think your comment about purpose and “seeking” behaviors is in the right neighborhood. Or one that I agree with anyway.

  447. Definitely ‘D’, Alfie. At least in my book.

    I say that for three reasons: (1) To the best of my knowledge, Allen West is self made; McCain was privileged from the start; (2) Allen West is a world smarter than John McCain, a man I find at best of marginal intellect; (3) I find McCain the consummate politician – a man of no clear purpose or direction. Whether you like or admire Allen West, I find him a man of clear conviction.

    I find Murtha actually more ‘palatable’ than Kerry. Murtha was a hypocrite and self serving stooge, granted. But John Kerry has all of Murtha’s bad qualities and then some – a liar, a self-absorbed, self important lout, and someone with illusions of grandeur.

  448. I agree, Rutherford. You must have missed my comment about Dr. Elwyn Taylor’s theories. He is ISU’s extension climatologist who is so widely respected his tax forms are audited each year to be sure his prouncements about crop production don’t profit him.He also owns a farm.

    He has predicted this for several years. We are part of several long-term cycles. An 89 year cycle is taking us back to the Dust Bowl around 2025. We are overdue for the culmination of an 18 year drought cycle which has now started.

    Two paleontologists discovered that 5,000 years ago the southern plains were so dry the Indians and buffalo fled. It was so dry for 200 years that the Nebraska Sand Hills blew free with no grass to hold them. No one knows if those extremes are part of a cycle. but if they happened once, they can happen again.

    They discovered that over the past 10,000 years, a quarter to half of the time was too harsh for Indians given their technology of the time. The researchers said the climate will become dryer in about a hundred years. Meanwhile, this is as good as it gets.

    Dr. Taylor said drought is becoming the new norm in the desert Southwest and other parts of the Rockies.

    This is only predicated on known past changes, not surprises.

    So, yes, we may be royally screwed.

    It is supposed to reach 100 hear today also. We are breaking records for largest number of consecutive 90 + degree days. Many 110 degree records were set in the thirties. We are headed back to the thirties.

  449. Actually Muffy, we were probably constructing those posts at the same time and you briefly touch on my reasoning. I thought your answer was absolutely correct, though I thing you have accurately described the symptoms but the problem goes much deeper.

    I most always find you a wise lady.

    I will share with you when I get the chance.

  450. Interesting, James. I agree with you. I think climatology, like the human body and the explanations of our universe, so incredibly complex and profound, that we are only beginning to understand its ramifications.

    But if we want to attempt to really understand our climate, and get away from this stupid pseudo religion that profoundly ignorant econazis have formulated, my suggestion would be to revert back to our basic chemistry and determine first what puts “the work” into our “system” to man the entropy.

    For you non scientific liberals, if there is sun today at your locale, I suggest you take a good look at the sky and stare. :wink: That will be your first hint.

  451. “Alfie the big problem with Walsh’s approach is that it takes place against the backdrop of the GOP’s almost sickening worship of soldiers. Within the past year we’ve had GOPhers boo a gay serviceman on television and now besmirch a Corporal who lost body parts defending her country. Yet, let any lib say squat about a soldier and they are labeled a traitor or worse.” Exactly! I rather thought the troops here would like to correct the liberals’ impression that the right does not support our military and has in recent years actually went so far as to humiliate and berate actual heroes.
    R. originally I discreetly ordered Christian relationship books using that email address, after all my marriage wasn’t protected under the Constitution, but after gay marriage was made legal in Iowa, of all places, I switched strategies. But I am kind of putout that I have to take personal responsibility for the state of my marriage.

  452. Newt, what’s a Christian relationship book? I mean, name a couple so I know what we’re talking about here.

  453. The gay serviceman on television took the opportunity to promote gay marriage. Newt is acting like he stepped on stage and the booing started. Contrary to popular myth, gay marriage is not as favored as the media would like us to believe by the general populace – and why it’s record to date of being defeated when put to a public vote is about 30-0.

    The soldier deserved to be booed and I would have too had I been there. Being a soldier doesn’t excuse bad behavior anymore than what Jerry Lewis once said of the disabled: “Being disabled doesn’t prevent you from being an asshole.”

    Would you have approved Newt, if our soldier boy had stood up and started stumping for Mitt Romney? Or would you have started shrieking with the rest of the leftist banshees? Let’s not kid ourselves.

    Now why don’t you take a stab at defending the Left’s clear double standards of what constitutes torture and war criminals, shall we dear?

  454. “Damn, if only I could write fiction, I’d get started on a manuscript.”

    From what I’ve seen around here it seems you do a damn fine job of it. :lol:

  455. Newt or no newt. Since you are angry at some rightist attacks on the soldiers, what do you think of the Democrats’ “slow bleed” strategy which intended to retain the status quo so more of our troops and more Iraqis would die . John Murtha said the continued deaths would help Democrats win the 2008 election.

    “Iowa of all places”? Google Iowa Nice on Youtube and educate yourself as you laugh. Rutherford enjoyed the video.

    “almost sickening worship of our soldiers”? Why is it sickening? It is a good thing and is a reaction to the welcome soldiers of my generation endured when we came home. Even if it is an over reaction to the past, I like it.

    Yes, Tex, lets all look at the sky and understand what drives our climate, at least in part..

    I think of entropy on each birthday.

  456. Muffy, we aren’t talking about them, we are talking about government interference in the bedroom, but if you think a Christian relationship book would be helpful to your marriage, I’ll list a couple of Books. “God’s Prescription for Enhancing Your Love Life” and “When God Writes Your Love Story.”

  457. James, one of the biggest problems I have with the Newt types, much like Rutherford in some persuasion though not this particular one, is their incredibly selective memory.

    Perhaps Newt needs a reminder of what exactly our fine liberal writers think of the military?

    Newt, do you remember William Arkin, former “crack” military analyst for NBC News?

    The article has somehow “disappeared” from Pravda on the Potomac formerly known as the Washington Post. I would remind you before being run out of town, Arkin referred to the U.S. military as mercenaries, amongst a whole other host of insults.

  458. We are talking about government interference in the bedroom,

    Baloney. I don’t think there’s a person here interfering with you kissing as many twats as you wish in your own bedroom as you vagina dialogue. Might even make me jealous.

    What we are interfering with is a bunch of militant homosexuals and assorted deviants trying to redefine what constitutes at a minimum 8,000 years of the definition marriage.

    Many if not most of us are not real hip on the idea of further slouching toward Gomorrah.

    Let’s get that straight like a good erection right up front.

  459. Self-help books are stupid.

    Rutherford, I did think of you when I was psychoanalyzing the Hollywood formula and how dumb it sounds when you do that re: conservatives. :lol:

    (Just teasing you.)

  460. illusions of grandeur.

    OK smart-ass, add this to your list of my constantly correcting you. It’s delusions of grandeur, not illusions. I figure if you’re gonna falsely accuse me of being a grammar and spelling scold I might as well get some mileage out of it.

    I’m a bit disturbed that Alfie leans toward discrediting the D veterans on the list. But then I don’t know what the rules are. Are we measuring their service or their behavior after coming home?

    John McCain’s immediate post war behavior was reprehensible, dumping a wife who patiently waited for him to come home because she was no longer a beauty queen. I have no reason to believe that his personal life speaks to a man of honor. I will admit he has shown glimmers of courage politically.

    Allen West is indeed a man of clear conviction. So was Charlie Manson. West is as nutty as a Christmas fruit cake. But I will hand this to Tex, I don’t see West compromising on his “principles”. Just last night I watched him taking questions from a panel of citizens assembled by Frank Luntz (YES I was watching Fox News). When one dude, a Republican, asked him about the 70 Communists in the Democratic party, West stuck to his guns.

    I don’t know enough about the late Murtha to know why he deserves scorn but I do know he’s very unpopular in some circles.

    Kerry served his country with honor, came back and had the nerve to speak the truth about Vietnam. Some folks have trouble with the truth.

    Duckworth is part Thai. Bet you dollars to donuts if she were a blue eyed blond, Walsh would shut his trap.

  461. I most always find you a wise lady.

    Why should that surprise? Muffy, bless her heart, is the first woman on this blog to consistently come to your defense and she may well be the only woman on this blog that you haven’t tried to tear asunder at some time or another.

    P.S. FWIW Muffy, I find you wise also, despite our political differences.

  462. my suggestion would be to revert back to our basic chemistry and determine first what puts “the work” into our “system” to man the entropy.

    Is this an acknowledgement on your part that perhaps some “honest” scientific study is called for?

  463. Allen West is indeed a man of clear conviction. So was Charlie Manson. West is as nutty as a Christmas fruit cake. But I will hand this to Tex, I don’t see West compromising on his “principles”. Just last night I watched him taking questions from a panel of citizens assembled by Frank Luntz (YES I was watching Fox News). When one dude, a Republican, asked him about the 70 Communists in the Democratic party, West stuck to his guns.

    Communist, socialist, “progressive”…its really all about redistributing the fruits of someone else’s labor at the point of a gun, now isn’t it?

    http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/can-we-call-them-democrat-socialists-now/

  464. Way to put down a compliment, Rutherford. Teach me that cross red face emoticon.

    And it’s not that you’re a constant grammar scold but without an edit feature it strikes me that any and all such digs are unfair, And you know how you liberals are about fairness. Just the other day I caught a “you’re” instead of “your” that I made and couldn’t do a damn thing about it.

  465. Muffy, while I think there is much wisdom in the article you posted, I’d counter that Chris Rock was just serving the same purpose as Elie Wiesel. Don’t EVER let them forget.

  466. Muffy, Rutherford has once again conveniently forgotten not only did we once have a debate about illusions of grandeur vs. delusions of grandeur, both which are acceptable, and an argument Rutherford already lost, but I used this in comment #506: :smile:

    You want to see the epitome of a distraught feminist, suffering from delusions of grandeur believing she’s a hero and the GOP has declared war on Jesus Obama veterans?

  467. Muffy … you’re absolutely right … I can quickly edit any boo boo that goes across the transom while the rest of you cannot. Besides, it really is the content that matters here, not the typos.

    As for “delusions of grandeur” I just couldn’t resist slapping Tex with that one since he so unfairly accused me of being spelling scold … really kinda pissed me off. I don’t mind when folks dog me for my faults of which I have many, but I get really pissed when folks go after Imaginary Rutherford. :neutral:

  468. Regarding 611 … I forgot that debate Tex. I stand corrected. I must have been suffering from illusions of grandeur when I scolded you. ;-)

  469. Is this an acknowledgement on your part that perhaps some “honest” scientific study is called for?

    Truly a brilliant statement – from a know nothing, mathematician who scored so poorly at math, even Hawwvard couldn’t inflate the grades – Hola Papi Rutherford, our born again sociologist. :wink:

    Is there any you could provide an addendum to your statement, Mr. Rutherford? Like maybe we can stop with the idiocy of man being able to control his environment and work on the basics of chemistry before I answer? You know, like maybe we start with sun to formulate our hypothesis instead of bowing to Mother Gaia?

  470. Ah Noah … if only all your comments could be as brief as that last one. ;-)

    Noah, you’ve got me. Trump is a genius and Whittle is the insurgent leader we’ve all been looking for.

  471. From what I’ve seen around here it seems you do a damn fine job of it.

    I had a feeling that comment would get a rejoinder. Touche El Tigre. Or should that be Touche Le Tigre?

  472. Why should that surprise? Muffy, bless her heart, is the first woman on this blog to consistently come to your defense and she may well be the only woman on this blog that you haven’t tried to tear asunder at some time or another.

    Well, why should that come as some surprise?

    First, Muffy is a lady – a tough one – but a lady. Two, Muffy and I generally think alike; why wouldn’t we come to defense of each other? I mean, she’s much more charitable and nice than I am – even I’ll admit that. :twisted: Three, when is the last time you scolded Flake, Gypsy, Densico – who invariably came to your defense, at a cost of course. :grin:

    I love what passes for profundity in your circles, Brother ‘R’. Now is that due to me watching FOX and you watching E!MSNBC that you became superior in nature? Did some of Chaz rub off on you?

  473. Oh, Brother “R”. I do give you credit. I can’t figure out if your hide simply that tough, or you have the patience of Job.

    You do share one common trait with the best wife in the world. Maybe two.

    She tolerates me for no apparent reason. And she hasn’t wised up and run my ass off yet.

  474. 8,000 years of the definition marriage

    A constantly quoted bit of propaganda bullsh*t. Marriage as currently conceived dates back actually only a few 100 years tops.

  475. Chris Rock could never handle being a woman.

    Rutherford, there is suffering. It goes on. It isn’t fair.

    I’m not on board so far as to give Rock a pass. Some folks – especially in Hollywood – just like to piss on anything that is dear to people.

  476. Oh, one other thing. I’m not implying you’re a spelling and grammar scold. That was simply a failed attempt at humor. You don’t spell Anthony Weiner right either most of the time. :wink: I was simply prodding your preening, because you gave me unmerciful crap one night that I spelled Marc Rubio.

    I swear I wasn’t falsely accusing you of anything else. You’ve got a gazillion major faults – being a spelling scold isn’t one of them.

    You know what amazes me about you, Brother “R’? It’s the shit I’ll say that doesn’t piss you off or passes right over your head, and you nod. It leaves me scratching my head. WTH? That was supposed to peeve him to no end.

    I just knew the other day you were going to come back and accuse me of being first cousin to David Duke. :lol:

    And then I’ll dink you with something meaningless and you go apoplectic. Claire’s one of you heroes. I figured that name was engraved upon your dear little black heart.

  477. A constantly quoted bit of propaganda bullsh*t. Marriage as currently conceived dates back actually only a few 100 years tops.

    Is that why God made Eve for Adam? To Adam could marry Cain or one of the ever present Neanderthals – you know, they only died out about 50 years ago.

    Wait a minute. I’m doing Harvard math and making a mess of things. Let me consult this Princeton sociology book for reference.

  478. “For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and the two shall be become one flesh. This mystery is great: but I am speaking concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless, let each individual among you also love his own wife even as himself; and let the wife see to it that she respect her husband.”

    Do you see anything plural in that? Hmmm…

    How about this?

    Mark 10:6-8:”But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, ‘and the two shall become one flesh'; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh.

    Anything plural?

    How about something a little older?

    “Then the Lord God said, ‘It is not good for a man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him’.” Genesis 2:18

    That’s probably older than a 100 years I figure.

    So you can see why indeed the issue of marriage is something simply more than opinion to us Christians.

    So why don’t you show me when and where the definition of marriage constituted something other than male and female, and we will examine it.

  479. Rutherford’s obvious fixation with Gays aside, why put so much worry into a group that represented less than 1% of the population.

  480. Muffy, while I think there is much wisdom in the article you posted, I’d counter that Chris Rock was just serving the same purpose as Elie Wiesel. Don’t EVER let them forget.

    Because there is soooooo much similarity there.

    *There is currently no living American slave (aside from taxpayers); there are still survivors of the Holocaust.

    *Those survivors have had to endure people who hate them because of their religion actively deny that the Holocaust ever happened; no one denied that slavery occurred, and it is still cited today by lefties as the raison d’etre for the American Civil War.

    But then, I’m sure that ol’ Chris was just reminding us, because with 700,000+ Americans dead in the conflict that was to have freed them and the fact that he makes a remarkably good living being an unfunny douchenozzle, and enjoys the freedom that comes with making that kind of money, I’m sure that we were all likely to forget.

    Next, you’re going to be bleating about “reparations”.

  481. Kerry did not speak the truth about Vietnam. He lied. His testimony portrayed our troops as the equivalent of Ghengis Khan. Of course, our troops did bad things, but so did the other side. it was war.

    Kerry contributed to the nation’s perception of Vietnam soldiers as baby killers He was a traitor to his brothers and sisters in arms. When a group of veterans threw their medals over the White House wall, he pretended to have thrown his, but he kept them.

    Kerry deserted his men in Vietnam. His minor wounds bought him an early ticket home via a loop hole. Had he not found it and applied he would have remained in Vietnam. A real man would have stayed with his troops to the end. I don’t believe Kerry’s wounds were even severe enough to make him a disabled veteran. I am a disabled veteran but not so badly to collect money.

    Even so, I am still fit and have a good grip. My hands protected me, and I can still fanticise about squeezing his scrawny long neck until the life leaves his body. I would never do it, but thinking about putting him into the role of someone else long gone would put me to sleep better than a sleeping pill.

    Please don’t mention Kerry again, Rutherford. If you do I will launch another tirade about that elitist nancy boy.

  482. Lets torture Rutherford for 5 years in a jungle on the other side of the world, cut off from everyone, sometimes burying him up to his neck, sometimes keeping him in a small cage for monthes at a time and then judge him “reprehensible” when his marriage falls a part upon his return.

    Seriously dude. Reprehensible? I mean yeah, maybe the man was uncool. But out of all the divorces you ignore, it’s McCain’s that you deem worthy of judging?

  483. 628

    Speaking or rearations, I heard Obama say sometimes before 2008 that he supported reparations, but he knew they were politically impossible. He suggested that his health insurance plan would be the next best thing. it would help poor blacks and rich whites would pay for it.

    Chris Rock is a Putz.

    “Those survivors have had to endure…” So did many other people. Germans, Irish, Asians, Indians, Finns and others. The Soviets killed as many as 20 million Ukrainians, and the Chinese Communists murdered even more. Its the nature of our species.

    Leftists who say we fought the Civil War over slavery are wrong. It was a conflict between two economic and political systems fighting for supremacy. Geography dictated that the North would win because the southern plantation system met a wall in Texas. Lincoln freed the slaves as a war measure.

    Its odd about their selective memories isn’t it Tex?

  484. While we are on the subject, the Obama campaign mocked McCain because he couldn’t use a computer. The wanted to show that the old man was out of touch with modern technology.

    In fact, McCain couldn’t manipulate his fingers sufficiently well to use a computer. I don’t think the Obama campaign ever appollogised. They are a bunch of sick bastards.

  485. “Who’s the zipperhead that wrote that thing? Hopefully not one of your respected “lawyer” friends.

    I have no respected lawyer friends – just lawyer friends.

  486. Do you trust MSNBC that is where I got the information from, my computer checked out fine. Just click on the URL next to English.