The Dysfunctional Democratic Party

June 29, 2012 at 6:28 pm 971 comments

There are times when the Democrats truly live up to the image of their mascot, the ass. Such was the case on Thursday, June 28, a day that should have been a day of celebration for Democrats everywhere as the Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act. But the other major headline of the day showed Democrats at their dysfunctional worst.

On Thursday, the House of Representatives voted to cite Attorney General Eric Holder in criminal contempt of Congress, the first time a sitting Cabinet member has ever been so cited in the history of our country. The move was the culmination of an ongoing power struggle between Congress and the Department of Justice and the motivations were clearly as political as they were any real search for the truth.

Only one Republican crossed the aisle to vote with Democrats to spare Holder this embarrassment. On the other hand, 17 Democrats voted with the Republicans while a large contingent of Democratic representatives left the building in protest.

Why is it that on issue after issue, Republicans show solidarity while Democrats splinter and blunt their own strength in numbers? Why is it that there is no Republican analogue to the “Blue Dog” Democrat? Blue Dogs are recognized as moderate to conservative leaning Democrats who are accepted for who they are. Republicans who go off the talking points are labeled RINO’s (Republican in name only) and are shunned. As I sat in disgust watching the vote Thursday evening I was reminded of the work done by Jonathan Haidt, about which I’ve written before.

In that work most recently represented in his book The Righteous Mind, Haidt argues that we are governed by five basic moral foundations and that conservatives have a pretty even balance of all five. Liberals on the other hand value fairness very highly and loyalty not much at all.

In the above graph, if we ignore the first bar in each series (those are my personal ratings) and just focus on the other two bars we see that conservatives (the right red bar) value concern for harm, fairness, loyalty, respect for authority and purity/sanctity evenly. For liberals (the middle blue bar), concern for harm (i.e. caring) and fairness are primary and all other moral considerations take a back seat.

Perhaps this explains the dysfunctional Democratic behavior I witnessed Thursday evening. The Democrat’s sense of fairness (i.e. that Holder was getting a raw deal) led a bunch of them to walk out of the chamber. On the other hand their relatively low regard for loyalty led a decent number of them to side with the opposition.

Haidt’s prescription for future harmony is that we understand and accept these differences in each other and that liberals and conservatives live in a yin/yang relationship where each is valuable. From a political perspective, I have to disagree with Haidt. Liberals are not going to achieve their goals unless they develop the same sense of loyalty and solidarity found among conservatives. There is obviously the glass-half-full approach to this that there is value in independence (lack of loyalty) but in a political fight I find that glass half empty.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  • 1. dead rabbit  |  June 29, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Loyality for a liar seething with incompetence Yeah. Go team rutherford.

  • 2. El Tigre  |  June 29, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Perhaps the real answer is that the way dems view themselves and wish that others view them is divorced from reality, fairness being a function of self-interest.

  • 3. Rutherford  |  June 29, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Rabbit, I’ve stated conservatives demonstrate solidarity. Surely you don’t think I mean they exhibit it only for worthy causes? Libs need to play the same game.

  • 4. Rutherford  |  June 29, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    PF good question. Not recognizing self interest is a lot like not being able to see the forest for the trees. But I doubt libs have any monopoly on self delusion.

  • 5. Rutherford  |  June 29, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    So DR, I assume you applaud the 17 Dems who voted for contempt? Or do you dislike liberals regardless of what they do?

  • 6. Rutherford  |  June 29, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    Reblogged this on Leaning Left.

  • 7. dead rabbit  |  June 29, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    I totally applaud them. You think lying and thieving is neato. You love politicians for the exact reason I hate them. Of course, I’m willing to bet a few of those Dems are on the hot seat at home. But some were simply being honest. You can’t have the attorney general blantely lying.

  • 8. El Tigre  |  June 29, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    “PF good question.”

    It was ET.

  • 9. El Tigre  |  June 29, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    R, I thought you recognized Holder was spitting in Issa’s face. How do you think that would be handled in a judicial proceeding? His actions define the very word “contempt.”

  • 10. Alfie  |  June 29, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    I don’t understand the whole walk out thing. What is it with 21st century Dems and walking instead of fighting? There’s a word for it. p-u-s-….

  • 11. Raji  |  June 29, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Rutherford, I applaud your post for calling out the stand that the Democrats took.

    “Members of the Congressional Black Caucus organized and led the protest.”

    “But the issue of race was an undercurrent, as several members linked Thursday’s contempt vote to Holder’s efforts to fight voter suppression nationwide.”

    Didn’t take it long before the race issue became the forefront rather than the issue at hand.

  • 12. poolman  |  June 29, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Both parties are dysfunctional. The right and the left are imploding. Hopefully we’ll rid ourselves of both when this whole enchilada gets baked. It would be a true benefit.

    We spend our time countering each other and analyzing the worthless fight.

    One world governmental zoo.

  • 13. dead rabbit  |  June 29, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    Boy Rutherford. You are really in touch with the direction most Americans want to see politics go. Less ethical and principled and more partisan. Yup, that’s what most people want to see. Political loyalty Chicago style. You are the pulse of mainstreet.

  • 14. Rutherford  |  June 30, 2012 at 12:40 am

    R, I thought you recognized Holder was spitting in Issa’s face.

    No, I’ve specifically said Obama is spitting in Issa’s face. On the contrary, Holder has been pretty damn cooperative, testifying several times and turning over thousands of pages of documents.

    Oh and sorry for attributing your question to PF. It was still a good question. :-)

  • 15. Rutherford  |  June 30, 2012 at 12:41 am

    Alfie I don’t get the walk out thing either. I found it juvenile when it was done in Wisconsin and I find it juvenile here also. I may not have made it clear in the piece but I consider it more evidence of Democratic dysfunction.

  • 16. Rutherford  |  June 30, 2012 at 12:57 am

    Rabbit you don’t get it. Look at the Republicans and tell me I’m wrong. They go off message, they get drummed out. Just listen to Tex’s rhetoric. A moderate Republican is no Republican at all. And I’m telling you, that single focused message … that solidarity stands them in good stead. The Blue Dogs were a major obstacle to Obama in the first two years.

    So don’t lecture me about how I’m not yearning for your political utopia. I’m looking at what works and suggesting the Dems need to get on board.

    P.S. Tea Party vs Occupy is another great example. The Tea Party quickly coalesced behind a single message. Occupy did the opposite, splintering, being way too inclusive, etc.

  • 17. Rutherford  |  June 30, 2012 at 1:00 am

    Raji, I don’t think the attack on Holder has any racial agenda but I also don’t think, lie or no lie, that Holder is popular with GOPhers. The GOP IS playing games with respect to wiping out “voter fraud”. DOJ is on their ass about it. There’s no love loss between them.

  • 18. James  |  June 30, 2012 at 7:46 am

    I agree with Ragi. This is a good statement.

    Holder has not been forthcoming or cooperative with the inquiry. He and now President Obama, have cast doubt about aspects of Fast and Furious while refusing to share the documents. They are claiming to give the committee what it needs as they obfuscate. That is not cooperation.

    I also don’t think the attack on Holder has a major racial agenda.

    Both sides are playing games with voter fraud. Democrats want it to continue, because it seems to benefit them. Republicans want to stop it because they know the Democrats are right.

    Blue Dog Democrats were once the norm, not an election year gimmic Scoop Jackson is one example. Relatively conservative Democrats were recruited to win elections. They voted against the party for their own self preservation and because their values differed from the majority. i don’t think Democrats would nominate JFK in this atmosphere.

    Wisconsin is a good example of poison which has infected the Democratic party.They have become sorer losers and winners .

    Such liberals do not represent the party, but when they wish Focus on the family’s headquarters burned in the Colorado fire or Michele Malkin’s house would burn down or she should be dropped on the fire as a flame retardant they contribute to our political dysfunction. Sarah Palin commented about the decision and liberals wrote about her slutty daughters and her “retard” son.

    Republicans are no angels either. We are witnessing a bulletless war for the soul of America.

  • 19. James  |  June 30, 2012 at 7:47 am

    Now we are leaving for Omaha to watch Micheal Phelps compete in the Olympic tryouts.

  • 20. PFesser  |  June 30, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Rutherford –

    I would explain it in a most unusual way: everybody decided to do the right thing and voted his conscience.

    I have stayed on my hospital’s medical staff for the same reason, even though I am not working there now and have considerable resentment toward the administration. To wit: I am on the Medical Executive Committee and last week the administration brought the issue before us of an incompetent doctor.

    I won’t go into the details, but suffice it to say that this committee, composed ENTIRELY of physicians, voted to strip this doctor of her privileges. This will set off a string of bad things for this physician, making it very, very difficult for her to obtain employment in the future, and reporting the proceedings and particulars to another fine government entity, the National Practitioner Data Bank – where it will be visible to every person on the planet – as well as the Virginia State Board of Medicine.

    You won’t find anyone more defensive of doctors than I am, but I made the motion to expel myself. Why? Because it is a matter of conscience and transcends any personal feelings I have. This is one of the most unpleasant tasks I have ever done and I could have avoided it by resigning from the medical staff effective my last day of work, but I didn’t do it because I felt it my duty to be involved.

    Perhaps some of the Democrats decided to rise to some level above themselves for once, too. Just a thought.

  • 21. PFesser  |  June 30, 2012 at 8:01 am

    Should read, “made the motion myself to expel” not “expel myself.”

    That’s clearer.

  • 22. PFesser  |  June 30, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Perusing the news this morning, I see that the Dept of Justice has refused to pursue charges against its boss, Holder.

    I really find the goings-on in Washington alarming. If they don’t like a law, by God they just don’t follow it. If Obama doesn’t like what Congress does, he just ignores the Constitution and does it himself.

    Boys, it’s time for a little come-to-Jesus talk up there. If I were Congress, I would say, fine – the budget for Justice next year is ZERO – and the year after that, and the year after that – and not back down – ever. After everybody goes home, we might see if we need that cabinet position or not.

    Probably not.

  • 23. poolman  |  June 30, 2012 at 9:46 am

  • 24. Alfie  |  June 30, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Am I alone in thinking that amongst all the dysfunction in ample supply in DC, the DoJ on a bipartisan basis is always high on the list?

  • 25. dead rabbit  |  June 30, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Holder blantely hid evidence he was grossly incompetent. He lied. Does this make Republicans happy? Who gives a shit. He lied. And President Transparent is hiding info about this matter from the people. Many Dems walk off with this faux racism bull shit. Like I care that Holder is a well spoken negro. Or looks just like Trayvon.

    But oh nooooooo. What concerns R? That the democratic party wasn’t unified in protecting a liar. He keeps pretending this is a lack of unity over a certain idealogy and laments that the dems can’t be like the tea party. THIS IS ABOUT LYING.

  • 26. an800lbgorilla  |  June 30, 2012 at 11:20 am

    So Dems should forever be loyal to the party and never hold one of their own accountable? All for one and one for all, eh?

    Holder has not been helpful. He’s been combative, he has prevented multiple DOJ and ATF folks from testifying, he has lied about documents, he’s provided false documents, and he has withheld documents.

    But here is the thing- instead of you expecting this Administration of being transparent, you’re angry because a few Dems voted out of party line, which I’m sure was more of them attempting to get a data point towards reelection than them actually having integrity.

    You want to know what’s dysfunctional? You pointing party before the law. But hey, it’s the liberal way…

  • 27. dead rabbit  |  June 30, 2012 at 11:33 am

    It really is amazing, isn’t Gorrila? Why do we even engage a guy like R? He believes in nothing. I garuntee complaining about a lack of unity was on his television.

  • 28. an800lbgorilla  |  June 30, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    LOL, yeah, I’m sure they’re the white example of Uncle Toms. One of the ‘Toms’ was Gerry Connelly, my rep. He survived in 2010 by ~800 votes. I guarantee he voted only because he knew it would pass anyway and he needed some ammo for 2012. He was the House Freshman president for Obama from 08-10 and supported EVERY SINGLE Obama initiative like a good lap dog. Now, he probably sits ina puddle of piss knowing that those first two years are gonna be drudged right back up…

    You do have to wonder though, how does someone with so little intellectual integrity and rampant self-loathing make it through the day. I can’t let people lie to me, accept that theirs lies justified an end and still think that I came out ahead.

  • 29. Alfie  |  June 30, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    If there is one thing I will always share about my real world life it is that I absolutely hate yard work.
    That said I’ve taken a time out from the estate to delve a little further in2 Rutherfords latest.
    From the post:

    Blue Dogs are recognized as moderate to conservative leaning Democrats who are accepted for who they are.

    Given the fact that the democrats have embraced the systematic destruction of the Blue Dog Coalition I obviously find fault with this line. The fate of the Blue Dogs lies within not the voters per se but the Parties far left fellow travelers. A Blue Dog who looks out for his district and to an extent his/her country is pilloried by the Kos tards and Madcow and Soros types.
    RINOs on the other hand tend to take their lickings from the voters flat out most notably seen recently secondary to the TPM types.
    Now reading this you might say”Hell Alfie aren’t you really saying they’re the same”? To which I have to say no. Blue Dogs get slain not from the district view but the national liberal slant. RINOs are challenged and attacked from their home turf first and foremost.

  • 30. Alfie  |  June 30, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Rutherford just to clarify is your stance on unity more about toeing the line on message or that they should fight for what they believe in?
    I’m hoping you can appreciate where I see a difference.

  • 31. El Tigre  |  June 30, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Okay Thor, your last comment did give me a chuckle (prior thread).

    I have read many that try to elevate Roberts’ decision as having an “evil genius” quality — knowing it wasn’t right but as Krauthammer said he wanted to act as a “custodian” of the SCOTUS to ensure the perception of its legitimacy.

    I ain’t buying it.

    I always figured the framework of a man’s beliefs ought to be pretty firm else how’s the rest supported dependably.

    Roberts vote may have been an attempt to protect his co-equal branch of government from irrelevance as a political tool…to show the Court has integrity, elevated above the rabble of politics so to speak. I think, if this is true, he failed.

    Roberts wasn’t true to his own legal integrity so anything subsequent to that is flawed.

    He came up with a “my theory” of how the mandate should stand rather than how it should stand or fall based on the text of the statute.

    And by casting the issue back into the political arena, he abrogated the Court’s sole responsibility to be final arbiter for all legal cases and, rather than avoiding taint as “political,” it stinks more of it because he ignored it’s raison d’être-the law.

    Besides, nobody who knows anything sees the Court (any court) as apolitical. That’s an ideal, like Justice, not always a reality.

    As for pissiness, yes I am pissed. R degrading the discussion into the usual “we win, you lose” crappola affirms my greatest fears about the direction of things. Obama and the left care little about the long-tem impact of their approach to governance, the poltical process one to be circumvented rather than applied.

    R’s question about judicial doctrine (i.e. seeking to uphold properly enacted statutes when possible) is better understood on a broader level as the tension between originalism versus textualism.

    But that wasn’t R’s purpose at all. He was repeating the moronic musings of the MSNBC commentators to validate his mirth over a disastrous decision that he doesn’t have the foresight to regret becuase doing so would extend beyond a daily news cycle.

    And fuck Holder. You want integrity in the system of justice, especially from its enforcers, you need to demand it. Period.

    Enjoy the mayonnaise.

  • 32. El Tigre  |  June 30, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    110 degrees. Yeeeeooo.

  • 33. dead rabbit  |  June 30, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Alfie, I love yard work.

  • 34. poolman  |  June 30, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    Only 98 on my back patio. Officially we’re at 105. 110 in Georgia would be brutal.

    My wife does the yard work. I get to do the tree trimming and any digging. Occasionally I rake the rocks in the front yard. Most of the back is garden.

    What’s the deal with the mayonnaise?

  • 35. El Tigre  |  June 30, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    “What’s the deal with the mayonnaise?”

    See No. 21 from the prior thread.

  • 36. James  |  June 30, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Its 87 after a high of 93 here. It was 101 three days ago. A television reporter baked cookies near the rear window of a closed car.

    No yard work for us. We just watched Michele Phelps win a race at the Olympic tryouts, We watched several swimmers nearly break world records.

    I have been picking peas.

    Dr. Elynn Taylor ISU extension climatologist says we are on a stair stepping climb to dust bowl conditions. The worst will be with us in 2025. He thinks it will average hot and dry until mid August at least.

    Two separate Tea Party groups are organizing demonstrations in Omaha this holiday week.

  • 37. poolman  |  June 30, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    See No. 21 from the prior thread.

    LOL. Sorry I asked. I could have gone the rest of my life without seeing that and likely been better off. :neutral:

  • 38. El Tigre  |  July 1, 2012 at 12:05 am

    That’s how I felt about R’s post.

  • 39. Rutherford  |  July 1, 2012 at 1:45 am

    I see that the Dept of Justice has refused to pursue charges against its boss, Holder.

    This was expected. It’s one reason why both a criminal AND civil contempt charge was filed.

  • 40. Rutherford  |  July 1, 2012 at 1:48 am

    You pointing party before the law. But hey, it’s the liberal way…

    No, it’s the conservative way and I argue if libs are to succeed they better start emulating it.

  • 41. Rutherford  |  July 1, 2012 at 1:50 am

    Why do we even engage a guy like R? He believes in nothing. I garuntee complaining about a lack of unity was on his television.

    You’re really beginning to piss me off. You don’t need to engage if you think I’m such a phony. Go patch up a f*cking roof and stop wasting time here.

  • 42. Rutherford  |  July 1, 2012 at 2:00 am

    Rutherford just to clarify is your stance on unity more about toeing the line on message or that they should fight for what they believe in?

    I believe conservatives toe the line on message (and therefore on their votes) or they suffer the consequences. I cannot believe, conservatives being human beings, that they are truly a monolith. Hence lots of them are NOT fighting for what they believe in. They are doing what it takes to survive among their peers, the pundits, and to a lesser extent the voter. I truly believe the average conservative congress critter cares more about what Rush Limbaugh and Grover Norquist think than what their constituents think. On that note, I truly believe Mitt Romney is a moderate conservative but heaven forbid he admit to that in this environment. So he panders to the farthest right in his party.

    While I would love to applaud liberals diversity of opinion, it prevents them from getting key legislative victories. Too much fighting among themselves in public. The health care law could have been so much more if Democrats had not divided among themselves about it.

  • 43. Rutherford  |  July 1, 2012 at 2:11 am

    But that wasn’t R’s purpose at all. He was repeating the moronic musings of the MSNBC commentators to validate his mirth over a disastrous decision

    First of all, you don’t know my “purpose” unless I state it, oh mindreader. Second, I wasn’t repeating a moronic “musing” of an MSNBC commentator … I was asking about a fact that an MSNBC commentator brought up. It wasn’t a musing. It was FACT that Roberts stated his job was to preserve the law if at all possible. I was asking you, since you play a lawyer on TV, whether or not that was something you agreed with. AND I thanked you when you ultimately answered the question.

  • 44. Rutherford  |  July 1, 2012 at 2:20 am

    Noah, what makes you think that I don’t believe people are buying guns in record numbers? All the more reason for better gun control laws and prosecution of those who foment unrest in the nation. Unfortunately that would tread on some First Amendment rights and I cannot sign up for that. So I just have to hope that cooler minds prevail.

  • 45. Rutherford  |  July 1, 2012 at 2:25 am

    FWIW, spent most of the day at my brother-in-law’s enjoying some pre-4th celebration. Returned home to this thread and wondered why I bother. :neutral:

  • 46. thorsaurus  |  July 1, 2012 at 3:51 am

    “@453…Thor throw me a bone here. What do you hang your hope hat upon? Serious question. I’m not seeing rays of optimism anywhere I look. Share. – Alfie

    Corporate earnings have been very strong this year. Despite the fact that there is a great deal of money sitting on the sidelines just waiting, there has been an upsurge in manufacturing by those willing to get in the game. We bit the bullet of increased bank capitalization four years ago. Europe is just now swallowing the ipecac. That puts us far ahead of them. Gas prices haven’t spiked anywhere near as high as some predicted. I think the consumers in this country are a bit leaner and smarter now than they were before the crash. I think this country is rich, resourceful and noble and its people, although slow to meet the challenge at times, always prevail.

    Now, a cultural koan for you (or anyone else) to contemplate while you are out digging post holes or weeding flowerbeds or whatever your yard work entails.

    What do Elvis’ hips and Socrates’ lips have in common?

  • 47. thorsaurus  |  July 1, 2012 at 4:21 am

    Pf, I meant to comment on your Moody Blues post. My “desert island” picks list would have to include “Days of Future Passed” and “Children’s Children’s Children”. It would also include REM – “Out of Time”, The Grateful Dead – “Shakedown Street” and Al Stewart – “Past, Present and Future”. I seem to have a “temporal” taste in music. :)

  • 48. PFesser  |  July 1, 2012 at 8:05 am

    @46. Did you see Meredith Whitney’s take on the American economy? Let me see if I can find it………….hmmmmm…no dice. Anyway, if I have the author right, she said the the future for the economy looked extremely bright because of all the corporate money sitting on the sidelines, ready to invest when the business and regulatory climate improved.

    That is, I believe, code for “when this administration is out of office.”

  • 49. PFesser  |  July 1, 2012 at 8:12 am

    thor – I love Al Stewart. “Year of the Cat” came out when I was in med school. It really spoke to a country boy who was ‘way out of his element, spending 18 hours/day in a large white building, longing for the halcyon days when he spent hour after hour riding his motorcycle through the autumn leaves. I was too stubborn to bag it, but I knew from the beginning that I was in the wrong place. An occasional escape – listening to Al Stewart while I studied – helped immensely.

    By the way, I think Meredith Whitney is one hot mama. To quote Sam Elliot in “Roadhouse,” that girl’s got entirely too many brains to have a ass like that.”

  • 50. Alfie  |  July 1, 2012 at 9:36 am

    I want to come back to the topic of uncertainty. Meredith, you talk to a lot of CEOs. What are they looking for over the next two years? They’re sitting on a lot of cash waiting for something. Is it demand or is it certainty?

    Meredith Whitney of Meredith Whitney Advisory Group: Resoundingly, the one thing they’re looking for is leadership. And antagonism is not leadership. If you had leadership positions on policies like taxes, like fiscal issues, like corporate governance, like reg reform, that would be certainty you could live with and plan on. But if the rules are changing constantly, it’s very difficult to budget. And that’s why so many corporations are sitting on so much cash. They don’t know what their needs are going to be in the future.

    That then creates, at least for the banks, an environment where you’re hoarding cash, you’re not lending. Leadership could come in and rectify a lot of that. That’s what business is really looking for. The Republicans are in a tricky situation. If they slow things down and the unemployment rate doesn’t move, then they’ll get kicked out of office. Someone’s got to go cross-aisle and take the leadership position.
    thats from 2010 though. She is also the person ho upon her subprime prediction success followed up with a 500 page report on the muni defaults

  • 51. dead rabbit  |  July 1, 2012 at 9:55 am

    “Go patch up a f*cking roof and stop wasting time here.”-R

    How about I patch that hole in your neck, first, cluck. Maybe its time you start breathing the stinky air like the rest of us. A lying Justice Department sucks donkey balls. It should piss all of us off. Why do you feel to be a part of this team? You watch too much West Wing. At best you’re a rube who helps spread their garbage propaganda online. At worst you’re a 200 hundred dollar donation and a form letter thank you.

    Serious question. Would you blow Obama if he asked you? Or is that where the “war criminal” thing comes in. Rutherford’s ethical line in the sand: His only moral pillar. He won’t perform fellatio on war criminals.

    Some one tell this guy he is barking up the wrong tree.

  • 52. poolman  |  July 1, 2012 at 10:33 am

    The F&F scandal is cover for a bigger scandal.

    Imagine that for a minute, a Goldman Sachs operative as a top congressional staffer, lobbying for Goldman Sachs, in this case to block strengthening Dodd-Frank regulations on derivatives. Issa’s wish is exactly the banks’ wish, to weaken the legislation so Wall Street’s Derivatives Casino can keep its stakes up.

    Fang asks, “Has Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) turned the House Oversight Committee into a bank lobbying firm with the power to subpoena and pressure government regulators?”

    In fact, “In July, Issa sent a letter to top government regulators demanding that they back off and provide more justification for new margin requirements for financial firms dealing in derivatives. A standard practice on Capitol Hill is to send a letter to a government agency with contact information for the congressional staffer responsible for working on the issue for the committee. In most cases, the contact staffer is the one who actually writes such letters. With this in mind, it is important to note that the Issa letter ended with contact information for Peter Haller, a staffer hired this year to work for Issa on the Oversight Committee.”

    Pretty diabolical scheme: deflect Issa’s corrupt lobbying techniques to emasculate oversight, by ferreting out a DOJ scandal to cover the Democrats with the Fast and Furious scandal, burying the larger scandal of planting a Goldman operative in Congress to lobby for soft laws on derivatives. The Fast and Furious scandal is nowhere near the magnitude of the Goldman Sachs operative scandal, with the add-on that Goldman is trying to get the U.S. attorney general held in contempt and discredit Obama for using his presidential override of the charge.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/06/29/fast-and-furious-scandal-covers-a-larger-republican-scandal/

  • 53. Alfie  |  July 1, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Poolman I find it unlikely seeing as it was Issa who tried to have FOIA reinstated on SEC. Dodd Frank revoked the ability to use FOIA for SEC docs.
    As for the derivative margin thing Issa and others have been on this for one reason and one reason alone. Foreign banks and investors don’t comply to similar regulations thus placing US banks at a perceived disadvantage.
    Dude if you want to go a GOP witch hunt go after Cantors aide going to Wall St. Ms leona Fallon heading to bank lobbying firm. VT must have a story on that? I mean really that Ohio zionist sending his minion to the Illuminati???!!!

  • 54. Alfie  |  July 1, 2012 at 11:00 am

    F&F is political for the most part. That doesn’t make it a non-issue.

  • 55. Alfie  |  July 1, 2012 at 11:06 am

    @ Rutherford 42 you mix words in a way that bothers me. You use conservative instead of Republican like the words are interchangeable, they are not!
    I think you’re confusing the point in your mind as well as the mind of your readers.

  • 56. Alfie  |  July 1, 2012 at 11:26 am

    @ thor 46 thanks for getting back to me. Alas I still feel justified in my pessimism.
    Corporate earnings were big headlines as they were UP ($11+bn). they were adjusted though when the overseas aspects hit and caused them to actually be DOWN ($6+bn).
    The money on the sidelines is part fallacy part just normal. It is primarily on the “sidelines” more because of the Bear/Bull thing than anything else. I will tip my cap that some degree of political uncertainty affects it too.
    Europe has put the drink in the cup but they’re not drinking. The cure for them is a pill they’re not up to.
    Gas prices haven’t spiked….and there is a negative wrapped within that very true positive. I don’t really need to go there do I?
    Consumers are definitely leaner,I don’t know about smarter. I think overall that Americans are such consumers is part of the problem.
    I will agree that the country has all the ingredients it needs….I think we split when it comes to the choice of menu and cooks though.

  • 57. Raji  |  July 1, 2012 at 11:37 am

    What a devastating storm that ripped through the East on Friday. I did not know what a Derecho was. Now I do!

    http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/deadly-super-derecho-strikes-m/67383

  • 58. James  |  July 1, 2012 at 11:40 am

    I have already mentioned Al Stewart and also “Time Passages.”

    I believe uncertainity is holding down our inflation rate.The economy is sluggish as businesses and families sit on their money until they know what the rules will be.

    Fast and Furious is mostly political but it is a big issue whether or not voters believe it is. People died.

  • 59. Alfie  |  July 1, 2012 at 11:52 am

    @ 58 agreed,or at least I think so. One of the things overlooked about the “money on the sidelines” theory is the thinking the eventual spending/investing of that money will be a one way street. It won’t be,an influx of cash in one end will cause movement and reactions elsewhere. Perhaps that will be all good,perhaps not hell perhaps it will be a status quo thing. I personally think being overly optimistic about it is misplaced.

  • 60. James  |  July 1, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Yes, Ragi, a Derecho is nasty but fun to watch. Such storms are self-perpetuating as they create a high pressure which races ahead and scoops warm moist air into the sky, sort of like a super charger.

    I have been in three. Both caused extensive damage. One struck Omaha during the 2008 Olympic trials The sirens rang and many of the swimmers ran for the exits because they were more familiar with earth quakes than severe thunderstorms. An anemoniter 100 feet above the ground registered a 125 MPH gust.

    Another devastating effect is the very hot weather and lack of power for water or air conditioning.

    I found a cheery song no one will watch Sofia Jannok “Irene” is a song-joik about tallying, tagging and innoculating reindeer in her aunt’s herd. It shows views of the Ice Hotel.

  • 61. Alfie  |  July 1, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    Did the ThinkProgress,Kostards,anti-Issa drones &VT folks read the 20 page LETTER before they went ape shit over it?
    I won’t pretend I understand all the financial aspects of the thing or every nook and cranny of Dodd/Frank (especially seeing as supporting authorized items are still yet to be written) but really.?!

  • 62. poolman  |  July 1, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    I just read it. So? It sounds like they don’t want to have to provide identifiable backing as collateral for investing and the difficulty in proving and categorizing said backing will tie up supposed assets that otherwise appear as liquid and therefore collateral and thereby will slow and ultimately hurt commercial business. This action will punitively hurt commercial entities who supposedly had little to do with the financial crisis we are in.

    I love this part… cc ‘The Honorable Timothy Geithner’ :lol:

  • 63. poolman  |  July 1, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Speaking of smokescreens, I enjoyed this…

  • 64. Rutherford  |  July 1, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Thor I would have to agree with on REM’s “Out of Time”.

  • 65. Rutherford  |  July 1, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Sorry to look so out of touch but who is that in the picture Rabbit posted in 51?

    Rabbit as long as there is a narrative supported by the research of Katherine Eban I’m not ready to jump on the F&F bandwagon that has you so enraged. I’ll repeat the URL here. Read it and maybe you can calm down a bit. http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/?iid=Popular

    P.S. If only you COULD patch the hole in my neck. Ya know what a hassle it’s been for the past six years? Of course you’d need to give me either a new pair of lungs or a straight spine to go with it. My guess is roof patching would be the easier choice for you. ;-)

  • 66. Rutherford  |  July 1, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Would you blow Obama if he asked you?

    Oh sorry .. forgot to answer this question. I wouldn’t blow Jesus if he asked me to so the answer is no.

    Although I must admit I DID have a bit of a man-crush on one of my wife’s co-workers back in the day. :-)

  • 67. Rutherford  |  July 1, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    Poolman I love your Issa allegations. I just wish they came from a better source.

  • 68. Rutherford  |  July 1, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    You use conservative instead of Republican like the words are interchangeable, they are not!

    Fair criticism. I’ll try to be more careful henceforth. I DO think Republicans who are not conservative (i.e. are moderate) expose themselves to danger in the current climate. Hence for all intents and purposes if you’re gonna be a Republican in 2012 politics, you’re gonna be a conservative or claim you are one — a very “severe” conservative. ;-)

  • 69. Rutherford  |  July 1, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Raji, derecho is new to me also. Thanks for the education.

  • 70. Alfie  |  July 1, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    @65 the Fortune article is like holy scriptures for you leftiess,Jesus Christ give it up! Best case scenario in EbanWorld is DoJ is STILL guilty of gun walking if not via ATF than FBI and DEA. So basically DoJ should just cough it all up and if it makes Issa & Co. look good or like shit so be it.
    @67 well you can embrace TP and Kos Rutherford since they too are trying to see boogeyman where there isn’t. No matter the source any honest evaluation should come to the logical conclusion that Issa isn’t a saint but he isn’t guilty of a conspiracy here.
    Past efforts indicate that although he hated on Dodd/Frank he actually stood for the public vis a vis the FOIA part.Issa was a player in calling out AIG.
    If you actually read the letter that has people miffed you’ll see it opens with being in line with the law as written.
    Lastly even the story breakers at ThinkProgress have come to terms with the name change thing.
    Bottomline a congress critter employed a big gun but not for a connection to Wall St,more likely to write detailed reports that are well beyond elected officials whose number count those that think 7,000 marines can make an island flip over. Haller take the job for a reason? Yeah he’s a power player who knows a good cv is everything. False nobles bemoan this in their democracy. Grow the fuck up.

  • 71. Raji  |  July 1, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    Rutherford, I hope your education was by reading. Mine was by experiencing!

  • 72. Alfie  |  July 1, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    @ 68 I’m trying to win a cookie here Rutherford although I concede I presented the comment to have a constructive criticism angle.
    I would agree that many many zip codes have been laid under the control of “conservative” dogma. This is unfortunate for the Party and America in my opinion,then again this coming from a guy who doesn’t identify himself as a conservative.The Nevada and Delaware races were good examples of that. I think Luger deserved elimination. Maine is pretty blue so Snowe/Collins is actually no surprise and that is backed up by Angus King being the likely choice ((I) not really)

  • 73. James  |  July 1, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    Mine was too.

    Ours in 1989 was one of the first in which the name was used. Another in 1993 developed in southwest Nebraska near the Colorado border and raced into Iowa at as much as 78 to 80 MPH. The Omaha storm which frightened Olympic swimmers was traveling so fast that thunderstorm warnings extended almost a hundred miles ahead of the storms.

    In any thunderstorm, if you see a radar image wherein the storm bows out in the middle of the line expect a good chance of wind. The “bow echo” is one of the markers meteorologists use when deciding whether or not to issue a warning.

  • 74. Alfie  |  July 1, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    @ the weather crew. The derecho thing was news to me although I’ve experienced the things I never knew they had a name.
    Did get me thinking though (and seeing as thesis a political blog) I ask is there a better example of why the USA public ed system is so sad? I spent some time on NOAA and just thought, do kids really have access to knowing the jobs tied up in the science of weather?
    All through MS and HS I had a firm grip on a number of potential careers and I imagine I never knew a thing about literally a ton + of other careers.
    My eldest is actually leaning towards what would be deemed a modern knowledge economy career track. I’ve no idea how he plotted it and sadly neither does he,or at least he can’t articulate it. Still he’s in good shape to gather the skills that can be plugged into a number of places.
    Sorry for the ramble…sometimes you really do just go hmmm.

  • 75. Alfie  |  July 1, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    72 should read not trying to win a cookie Damn these fingers!

  • 76. Rutherford  |  July 1, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    The symbolism in the Ron Paul video was compelling. The odds of Ron Paul becoming the Republican nominee are as great as a TV obviously made in the early 1960’s with dials on the front, being powered by a remote control. ;-)

  • 77. Rutherford  |  July 1, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Raji we got a very brief wind/rain storm today but I doubt it amounted to a derecho.

  • 78. Rutherford  |  July 1, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    LOL Alfie I wouldn’t say the Fortune piece is holy scripture but it was the first journalistic attempt (to my knowledge) to get deep underneath F&F and put some things in perspective.

    While I understand that ATF has a spotted past, I do find it most revealing that it is hard for them to do their job because of current gun laws that make these “straw buyers” beyond the reach of the law.

    I admit to being puzzled by the apparently defensive posture taken by DOJ on this but I don’t believe any grand conspiracy underlies it.

    And to those who keep saying “people died” I have a pretty good hunch the folks killed by F&F guns, including law enforcement, is a SMALL fraction of the total killed in the gun fueled drug wars that have been ongoing for years now.

  • 79. Alfie  |  July 1, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    @78 but like I said best case scenario is ATF isn’t the pariah…but Justice still needs to answer.The conspiracy is the contempt the bureaucracy has for the People. This is a great example of why the Founders believed so strongly in limited government.
    For me personally I think Holder needs to go. Just go,I’m not looking for jail or anything like that. Hell even if the last page requested that is being kept locked up painted Holder completely innocent he still needs to go.
    Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES can Holder stay if Obama is reelected.
    As for numbers I don’t want to play the morality game. I must say though that even if the cartels got them other ways too,”walking” Barretts is a no brainer. .50 cal rifle dude,google it,I’m pro gun yet I don’t think anyone other than US Special Forces should have that freaking thing.

  • 80. Tex Taylor  |  July 1, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    I read from the previous thread, that pussy Thor thinks I went on sabbatical. :lol: Nope, took a break and went to see my daughter off to Ecuador – with a severely twisted ankle I might add. Now, she is completely immersed with an Ecuadorian family that speaks no English, working in a hospital during the day with few who can speak a word of English. We shall see over the next four weeks, as her mom had to push her (allowed by the TSA) to the gate. Dad is scared shitless.

    For someone that doesn’t read “my stuff” pussy, you sure do seem to keep me on a tight leash. Have I mentioned I think you are possibly the most duplicitous prick I’ve read here? I don’t believe a damn thing you write. I mean, not a damn thing blowhard. Now, read that. :razz:

    P.S. – I’ll bet anyone here, one way or another, Obamacare goes down. And here’s the real kicker. Without turning the ship, American will become Greece. It’s imminent. And get what the first thing to disappear from Greece has been? Medicine and Healthcare. Can’t even get services without cash now.

    And guess who of all people, might be the very first one here impacted by a loss of healthcare? I’ll give you three guesses. It would be a poetic justice of sorts for all of these limp dick Dimocrats without scruple one, crying about no health care, to suddenly find themselves really without access to medicines or healthcare.

  • 81. Tex Taylor  |  July 1, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    Grind these mofo Dims into the dirt. I’ll starve these SOBs if I get a chance. SUCK ON THIS, Rutherford. :lol:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/wsj-chief-economist-75-of-obamacare-costs-will-fall-on-backs-of-those-making-less-than-120k-a-year-video/

  • 82. Tex Taylor  |  July 1, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    Rutherford, I had to leave the other day, but I met to ask you a question. Before the cable service went kaput. Serious question.

    Is there any restriction on what our government can do? Other than the hated forced acknowledge of Christianity, I mean. On my way to Houston the other day, it occurred to me, when it comes to a Dimocratic President, I couldn’t offhand think of one thing that you might find as restriction on Obama if he were for it.

    Not one. Can government force us to buy solar power for instance? Can they force us to buy hybrid cars, if they so dictate? If not, why not?

  • 83. Alfie  |  July 1, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    @Tex that is a good ? I’d love to hear an answer from others here too.Sadly as I’ve said elsewhere clearly the big takeaway from the Roberts decision is they have the right to do it.
    On a personal note hope the ankle is ok. Ecuador has some exciting things going on hope she enjoys her time.

  • 84. El Tigre  |  July 1, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    Tex, one of my law partner’s sons just got back from Ecuador — 4 months. He had a tremendous time, and claims to have learned a lot. Like his folks, he’s a pure Ivy league egghead and knew how to make the most of his time (teaching and studying). Total immersion too. Your daughter is surely going to have an incredible life experience, but I understand the concern. My partner went and had all of the shots and whatever else was necessary in the event he needed to make an emergency trip down. I gave him a hard time but can’t fault him.

  • 85. poolman  |  July 1, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    The odds of Ron Paul becoming the Republican nominee are as great as a TV obviously made in the early 1960′s with dials on the front, being powered by a remote control.

    I know you get all your information from the mainstream media and that is what they have convinced the public. But it isn’t that cut and dry. Next month will very interesting, to say the least.

    Don’t count your chickens (or in this case turkeys) before they hatch, is not just an old wive’s tale. It ain’t over yet.

    I listened to this hearing on fractional reserve banking today, along with several other hearings on the federal reserve and was very impressed with the presentation and information. I think it should be required learning for everyone involved in our economy. The man is tireless. Talk about a good fight!

  • 86. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:54 am

    Tex, in my next-to-last assignment in corp America I worked closely with some folks from Ecuador. Their English was dicey but they were very professional and on the ball. Good people too. From my understanding, it’s like working in Boulder there … high mountains, not much oxygen. Your daughter will do fine although I don’t blame you for being nervous.

    Who twisted the ankle, you or your daughter?

    I’ll get to your political questions sometime tomorrow. I’ve got to get to bed and rest up for my sociology mid-term exam tomorrow. I don’t know how the hell you went back to school (much less med school) as a grown man. My 51 year old brain is fried and this is just a damn watered-down intro college course. :-(

  • 87. thorsaurus  |  July 2, 2012 at 2:30 am

    “I will agree that the country has all the ingredients it needs….I think we split when it comes to the choice of menu and cooks though.” – Alfie

    Fair enough. Especially on the beverage page. Tea on yours. Hemp juice on mine. :)

    But if this is the case, I don’t understand your pessimism. I believe you are predicting a Romney win and Romney is your cook, correct? Or are you saying it will be too late?

  • 88. thorsaurus  |  July 2, 2012 at 2:52 am

    “I love Al Stewart.” – PF

    Pf, Adding this new revelation to your already stated passion for flying, I would imagine “Flying Sorcery” is high on your list of favorites. It constructs a nexus between the two subjects.

  • 89. thorsaurus  |  July 2, 2012 at 3:13 am

    “Thor I would have to agree with on REM’s “Out of Time”.” – R

    My favorite song on the CD is “Near Wild Heaven”. “Belong” baffles me.

    I remember at Clinton’s first inaugural ball, Stipe and Natalie Merchant did a duet of “To Sir With Love.” Very cool. At the risk of going totally Casey Kasem, maybe I’ll try to dig it up.

  • 90. PFesser  |  July 2, 2012 at 7:36 am

    Rutherford opined:

    “The odds of Ron Paul becoming the Republican nominee are as great as a TV obviously made in the early 1960′s with dials on the front, being powered by a remote control.”

    Why, thanks for the support, Rutherford. In point of fact, my cousin, who owned a small cable-tv company in rural West Virginia in the ‘sixties, had just such a TV. It was a Zenith Space Command. Being a little electronics geek back then, I was fascinated with how the remote worked. He told me it had little bars in it that were struck by hammers when he pushed the buttons. Drove the dog crazy; Jim’s dog, ol’ Snoopy, hated it. I think it had three buttons. Let’s see here……….no, it had four.

    “The Space Command transmitter used no batteries; inside the transmitter were four lightweight aluminum rods that emitted high-frequency sounds when struck at one end. Each rod was a different length to create a different sound that controlled a receiver unit built into the television.”

    So, who do you think will be Paul’s VP pick?

  • 91. PFesser  |  July 2, 2012 at 7:51 am

    re: Flying Sorcery. I have listened to that song at least a hundred times over the years during my flying craziness-es. I can’t believe some of the crazy shit I did. I look back and it doesn’t seem like that was ME.

    When I was in med school I built a hang glider from some aluminum aircraft tubing and “visqueen’ plastic drop cloth. It looked pretty sketch, but was easy to fly and never let me down. I flew it a fair amount but never had any lessons. An older friend of mine tried it and crashed, destroying his forearm bones.

    Later I built an “Easy Riser” glider and flew it with an old 20HP snowmobile engine.

    One of my ham radio friends, Jerry F., was chair of Aero Engineering at WVU and was horrified at a non-pilot trying to fly a tailless flying wing under power, controlling via weight shift. He helped me design a canard for the front, figuring I had the best chance of survival with a stall-resistant design like that.

    I don’t think Al Stewart did much after the Year of the Cat album. I thought he was going to be a mega-superstar, but he kind of faded out. His sound was unique, lyrics just wonderful, voice one-of-a-kind. What a shame he has just faded out from the mainstream.

  • 92. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 8:22 am

    78

    People died because our government ended their lives though its incompetence. Cause and effect mattered in this case. If I hit you with my car and flee the scene can I escape punishment because other people were also injured by hit and run drivers?

    Most of those people would still be alive were it not for our DOJ. They deserve justice.

    As I wrote before, that article was a whitewash.The writer doesn’t know all of the facts because the records are sequestered. It puts the scandal into the writer’s perspective, and since your bias agrees with the author’s conclusions, you think the article puts things in perspective. Bunk!

    Pfessor, Al Stewart is Scottish , and he didn’t fade away. He continued his career in Europe. His web site advertises his latest CD — “Uncorked Al Stewart Live with Dave Nachmanoff”.

    T Rex had only one hit in the US, but they made so much money in England lead singer Mark Dolan moved to the US to escape high taxes.Roxette is another band still making a living in Scandinavia though they are largely forgotten here.

    I still like LuLu’s version of “To Sir With Love” because of the movie.

  • 93. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 8:24 am

    “With all of Obama’s rhetorical brilliance and flash, he went into the phone booth (the White House) as Superman and came out as Clark Kent.”

    — Presidential historian Fred I. Greenstein

    IMO, the ‘S’ didn’t stand for Superman. It stood for Statist. :grin:

  • 94. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Rutherford, I entered grad school after four years in the Air Force. It was hard competing with people who were younger and who had not been out of school. since kindergarten. Students had to earn A’s and B’s to stay with the program. It was hard, and I was only 27.

    My hat is off to you. At 51, you are the man!

  • 95. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Ron Paul has to pick Poolman as his Vice Presidential nominee. it is destiny.

  • 96. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 8:35 am

    I looked it up. Al Stewart’s last CD as of 2009 earned four stars and the critic rated “Year of the Cat” at four and a half stars. The writer described Al’s forty-year career as unusually varied and prolific. Not bad for a 66-year old geezer.

  • 97. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 8:39 am

    It was my daughter’s ankle, Rutherford. Had it been mine, I would have been forced to remain in Houston and let my wife wait on me hand and foot for weeks, while Mick the Mutt and I sat around at the pool. :twisted: Damn.

    Talk about Murphy’s Law. This is a kid who has run marathons, was an excellent basketball player and point guard for the high school basketball team, all state cross country runner and track star, blah blah blah. And the only injury my daughter ever received of note was getting her front tooth cracked in a basketball game.

    Then the day she is leaving for Ecuador, gets out of bed, said she didn’t realize her foot was asleep, stood up and collapsed. :mad: Boyfriend comes over, takes her to minor emergency where her parents discover our copay has gone up from $50 to $150 (thank you Pres. Obama, your highness). Emergency doc said he couldn’t believe the ankle wasn’t broken.

    How daughter is supposed to work in a hospital playing doctor on crutches, I have no idea.

    Thank you guys for good word about Ecuador – makes me feel better because I don’t know a damn thing about it.

    Daughter says the hosting family is very nice. I guess this is how they make their living. Daughter also said it was like 48 degrees. Rio Bamba is at 9,000 feet. Sounds nice about right now.

  • 98. Alfie  |  July 2, 2012 at 8:40 am

    @thor my pessimism stems from a number of issues that combined have real synergy that just adds that extra layer of love.
    I want Romney to win and think I know what states called toss ups he needs and has a chance to snag.When I’ve pointed that out I’ve always meant to stress he has the harder slog but its doable.

    Contrary to the similarities harped on in the media and punditry circles (esp. paulists) Romney offers a different set of chain reactions if elected but…..
    No matter the Oval occupant I don’t see great congressional change in either sides advantage which will be a problem.

    America isn’t set to make the hard decisions it needs to and sadly time is coming that the choices will be made for us. I believe the two broad areas that matter most are defense/diplomacy and the economy.[ps I view these as intrinsically linked] The former being a chess game Obama has made both good and bad moves on but in a final grade has scored very poorly for the future. The latter has a lot of baggage to it. I feel we need to have a shift or two and do a real gut check on what model we use. If you accept that the US is primarily based in the knowledge/service model (and I for one sadly accept this to be true) our growth and potential will be short lived secondary to our education system.

    To close, much to the consternation of my British roots I actually don’t like tea. :))

  • 99. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 9:07 am

    I wonder if Rutherford will ever admit that Obama’s celebrity status accounts for his popularity despite the execrable performance of his administration?

    That is absolutely all that it is, our TV culture is a reflection of that, and it is a pathetic commentary about this country. It has been coming for quite sometime, certainly since the Great Society, and Obama is its climax.

    By the Numbers: A Look at the Democrats’ Health Care Law

    Health Care Costs and Impact on Americans

    $1,200: Increase in health care premiums for an average American family in the year following enactment of the Democrats’ health care law.
    13 percent: Premium increase, in 2016, for individuals and families who buy coverage on their own – compared to if the law hadn’t been enacted at all.
    $118 billion: Additional financial burden saddled onto state budgets from ObamaCare’s Medicaid expansion.
    200 percent: National debt as a percentage of GDP in 2037 despite promise of cost-control from ObamaCare advocates.
    $70 billion: Size of ObamaCare budget gimmick resulting from the failed CLASS program.
    1,019,810: Number of Americans that are at risk of losing their plan, because the plan was denied a waiver from ObamaCare.
    Impact on Employers
    $422.4 billion: Amount that 71 Fortune 100 companies could save by eliminating employer-sponsored health plans and instead paying the $2,000 employer mandate penalty from 2014-2023.
    $28.6 billion: Amount that 71 Fortune 100 companies could save by eliminating employer-sponsored health plans and instead paying the $2,000 employer mandate penalty in 2014 alone.
    4 million to 20 million to 65 million: Number of people in the employer system estimated to lose insurance as a result of ObamaCare, based on two separate analyses provided by CBO and Deloitte.
    800,000: The amount of workers the labor force would be reduced by in 2021, as a result of ObamaCare.
    Taxes
    22: Number of new tax increases in the Democrats’ health care law as originally enacted – a dozen of which violate the President’s pledge not to raise taxes on middle-class Americans.
    $569.2 billion: Gross tax increase over 10 years resulting from the Democrats’ health law, as estimated at the time of enactment. �
    $1 million: Amount of money IRS spent to send out 4 million postcards to small business owners touting their “eligibility” for the Small Business Tax Credit even though IRS knew that many of them would not qualify because of the strict eligibility criteria.
    170,000: Number of small businesses that claimed the credit in 2010, or less than five percent.
    1,278: Number of employees that the IRS reported to TIGTA that it needs in FY12 alone to implement the Democrats’ health care law.
    Why Full Repeal is Still Necessary
    9: Number of provisions that House Republicans passed, and that President Obama has signed into law, that either repeal or defund portions of the law, resulting in more than $52 billion being taken out of ObamaCare.
    $1.8 trillion: Amount of money the Democrats’ health care law is expected to cost over the next 10 years – nearly double the original estimate.
    1311(h): Section of ObamaCare that empowers Washington bureaucrats to decide which doctors and providers can be covered by your health care plan.
    12,000: Approximate number of pages of ObamaCare regulations issued by the Administration.
    Seniors
    9 in 10: Number of seniors with retiree benefits who will lose their retiree prescription drug coverage through their employer under the Democrats’ health care law.
    Approximately 8 in 10: Estimated number of Medicare beneficiaries enrolled in Part D that are paying a higher premium so that 15 percent of beneficiaries can benefit from the change to the donut hole.
    Special Interest Spending
    $3.8 billion: Amount of money available to the Obama Administration to hand out in cut-rate loans, primarily to political allies, to form insurance cooperatives, many of whom do not appear eligible under the law.
    $0: Amount of money left in the Early Retiree Reinsurance Program (ERRP), which was supposed to be in place through 2014, but has already stopped paying new claims after spending $5 billion.
    About half of the entities receiving the subsidies are politically favored friends – unions and state and local governments.

    Anyone being honest, knows that the Obama Healthcare Tax Act is unworkable and unsustainable. Gov’t can’t construct a tax code – now we give them control of healthcare?

    We are already broke as a nation and our fooling ourselves. If Obama should win, the only question that remains to me and my friends, of which I would ask the rest of you not fawning for Obama:

    “What is the threshold that will tip each of you into saying the time has arrived to divest/separate ourselves of this ilk? Are you willing to go down with a sinking ship of fools and dopes?”

  • 100. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 9:12 am

    I hope your daughter feels better soon, Tex. Things happen, don’t they? Our local television station mentioned an Iraqi veteran who escaped unscathed. Now she has two artificial legs and works with an organization for the handicapped because a drunk driver wrecked her car.

    A CNN poll shows Equador to be one of the best countries for retirees. Prices are low. As of 1999, 62% of the population was listed as poor.

    The capital of Quito can get snow on rare occasions. A blogger showed picture of snow which fell in May, 2009. The snow covered only a small area but was heavy enough to bring down power lines.

    I knew Brits who preferred coffee and didn’t especially like tea.

  • 101. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 9:17 am

    “Grandma” Torres finished second in her Olympics qualifying heat last night. At 45, many of her competitors weren’t even born when she started competing. As the song goes “I Ain’t as Good I Once Was” by Toby Keith.

  • 102. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:00 am

    “Is there any restriction on what our government can do? . . . Can government force us to buy solar power for instance? Can they force us to buy hybrid cars, if they so dictate? If not, why not?”

    Nope.

    R, I’d love to hear your answer since this seems to be your preferred state of affairs.

  • 103. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:03 am

    “The fundamental problem with the court’s approach[the Obamacare] is this: It saves a statute that Congress did not write.”
    – Justice Kennedy

    And to the left it just doesn’t matter. :roll:

  • 104. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:42 am

    “Belong” baffles me.

    I think “Belong” like many of Stipe’s songs are intended to baffle. I like it though … kind of mood music. I have to admit I’m a sucker for “Shiny Happy People” one of Stipe’s least favorite songs and I also like “Texarkana”. For more mood music, “Low” is great too. I’m guessing this won’t embed but here goes:

  • 105. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:47 am

    PF I had a feeling that TV comment of mine would backfire on me. :-) Poolman, consider PF a friend … he’s got your back.

    In the unlikely event that Paul should be the nominee, look for Jesse Ventura as his VP. :-)

  • 106. dead rabbit  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Asking frauds like the host cocksucker any question dealing with anything outside the expediency of the cocksuckee, is a waste of time. It’s all laid out here for all to see. Debate is a complete waste of time. He was and is full of total shit and the brazen truth is all right here on the blog pages.

    Assign any hot topic to a number on dice. Roll the dice. What ever given controversy comes up, peruse this blog.

    1. Tea Party.
    2. The nature of Obamacare.
    3. Gitmo
    4. Waterboarding/ assassination
    5. War
    6. Cheney

    That’s just one die. You could use one of those 24 sided dice from Dungeon and Dragons.

  • 107. poolman  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:54 am

    In the unlikely event that Paul should be the nominee, look for Jesse Ventura as his VP.

    Dream team. If that happened, you wouldn’t be able to wipe the smile off of my face. :grin:

  • 108. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:54 am

    LuLu’s To Sir With Love is one of the best songs of the 60’s.

  • 109. Newt or no newt  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Ron would likely keep it in the family, Ron and Rand.

  • 110. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:02 am

    LOL If a Paul/Poolman ticket won in November, Tex would be on the first plane to Canada. :lol:

  • 111. Alfie  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Belong…mood music?? That perhaps explains a lot about you R.
    I tend to only like early REM .

  • 112. Alfie  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Actually if Paul somehow subverted democracy to the point of obtaining the presidency I’d “walk” a Barrett back from Mexico and blow his f@#$ing brains all over the place…just sayin’

  • 113. poolman  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Actually Alfie, IF you were following what was happening inside these state caucuses, the established GOP IS subverting democracy. Yeah, that’s right. Railroading and underhanded tactics. Or is that the ‘norm’? I guess if that’s the way they have always rolled…

  • 114. poolman  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Poolman would NOT make a good politician. I don’t lie and I don’t do PC very well. You think I’ve made enemies here… :lol:

  • 115. poolman  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Judge Napolitano has expressed an interest, along with Jesse Ventura. I like Jesse, but I think Napolitano would be the better VP. Rand would NOT be the choice.

  • 116. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:28 am

    “First of all, you don’t know my “purpose” unless I state it, oh mindreader. Second, I wasn’t repeating a moronic “musing” of an MSNBC commentator … I was asking about a fact that an MSNBC commentator brought up.”

    Bullshit. All I need to do is tune into MSNBC to know your purpose. It tells you what your purpose is.

    As for “facts,” the moronic musings were not “fact,” they were lame attempts to argue the legitimacy of Roberts; opinion by those that don;t know diddly squat nor really care.

    Safe to say you haven;t bothered with your homework assignment, i.e. read the actual opinion and dissents?

  • 117. Alfie  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Seeing as the caucuses subvert the popular vote and to a degree the Constitution I don’t support them to the extent the subverters do.Alas the GOP establishment has to defend itself against the demented and that isn’t their fault. Face it Paul fanatics with no life have been able to pervert a perverted system.
    State caucuses are a joke,a throw back to times where the party controlled all things. Smoke filled rooms, which still more often than not fully obeyed the popular vote, are replaced with a room full of absolute losers stroking their egos and playing the “me so important” schtick. People being available to go to Tampa in August and being able to withstand the nonsense of a caucus doth not make a democracy,I don’t care how they vote. Fighting over platform planks is different and I actually support Paulists on that note,that debate should be open.
    The “machine” is something I’d think a progressed nation would overthrow,but then again that is one of the big shifts I say America needs to undergo.If Paul were worth the sweat on a horses ass he and his would actually build a third party and truly have a Revolution. Paul has less courage or insane spunk than Perot. That should make you ashamed.
    Bottom line, seriously 9.8+ million to 2 million and your guy deserves the nod?????

  • 118. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Everyone knows that Fables of the Reconstruction is the best REM album.

    Although Green gets a favorable nod because of Orange Crush and Turn You Inside Out.

  • 119. poolman  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Well, I suppose you have a different definition of courage than I. I don’t recall Perot standing up to the FED or the MIC or proposing any legislation that would daylight either.

    Face it, you just don’t like him or the freedom movement. You prefer the big imperial machine.

  • 120. Alfie  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:59 am

    I don’t like him this true. I also don’t like him for a number of reasons all pretty much centered upon his oversimplified short sighted and often dishonest populist notions. I don’t see where I’ve endorsed the “big imperial machine” in any way shape or form.
    You’ve missed the core of the point from the last though (*117). IF Paul and his followers were SERIOUS they would indeed LEAVE the GOP. START their own PARTY. START a TRUE REVOLUTION as opposed to this fallacy they have going.
    The Paulists specifically and the libertarians in general WILL NEVER wrest the conservative hands from the steering wheel. Best case scenario is that a credible populist third party encourages moderates to put down the golf clubs and roll up their sleeves. If that were to happen the libertarian wings may have a better chance being happy and heard under the “big tent”.

  • 121. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Besides LuLu’s song, i also agree with Rutherford about “Shiny Happy People” but I’m not sure REM liked it.

    Two of my favorites are “Man in the Moon” for its bleak sadness, and “The Great Beyond.” That song describes me when I came home and before I learned to fake it.

  • 122. Alfie  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Is this place turning in2 a R.E.M. fanzine?
    OK I’ll play. Radio Free Europe,Driver 8,I am Superman and Exhuming McCarthy

  • 123. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    To BiW, since Fables has Driver 8 on it, one of my all time favorite REM songs, I must tip my hat to you. I can’t say Fables is my fav album of theirs but it’s up there. Green is a tough one for me. I basically like every other song on that album. Listen to the lyrics to “The Wrong Child”. I always felt that was about a shut-in disabled child. I’ve never read anything to back up my interpretation.

    To Alfie I’d say New Adventures in HiFi (coincidentally the last album that Bill Berry played on) was the end of consistently good REM. Their catalog after that was spotty to say the least with one or two standout songs among a lot of stuff that didn’t have much of a melody. Still, as a loyal fan, I bought them all and I viewed their breakup as bittersweet. I think as one of the band members said, they had basically given all they had to give and it was time to hang it up.

    (Again, I don’t expect this one to embed even though I got lucky on the last one.)

  • 124. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    A Canadian woman was a guest on an Omaha radio station. She said her country’s health insurance and care system is fine for colds and minor illnesses, but serious conditions require long waits which will ration care in favor of the physically strongest.

    Each year, one province alone pays $165 million to send patients to the United States. She came here because she wanted to live after she was diagnosed with a brain cancer. Three of her doctors were former Canadians.

    A west coast hospital closed for four months because they exceeded government cost guidelines.

    It is possible that Chief Justice Roberts changed his opinion after pressure from Obama and the news media. If that wild conspiracy theory is true, we are in worse trouble than we imagine.

    Rutherford, with your medical history, your living to see 71 may depend on the outcome of the further political battle after the next election.

  • 125. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    James, Man in the Moon appeared first on Automatic for the People, a very melancholy album that came out when my grandmother died. I love the song but the album is hard for me to listen to.

    Good to see how many REM fans we have here. :-) Alfie’s I am Superman and Exhuming McCarthy are pretty obscure choices. Bravo!

  • 126. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    “Loosing My Religion.”

  • 127. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Tex would be on the first plane to Canada.

    :grin: After several days of 100 degree + temperatures, I might be any way. When it is 15 degrees cooler in Houston than it is here, you start to feel maybe it’s time to either move up or down.

  • 128. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    For the record, I hate REM. I hate U2 as well.

    (didn’t want that to go unspoken)

  • 129. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    I meant “losing.” I agree, they made good music.

  • 130. poolman  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Well Alfie, the up and coming youth don’t like either party, but history shows a third party candidate doesn’t get much serious consideration. That may change. Both parties are deteriorating.

    The liberty movement is trying to follow the rules and change things from the inside. There are also factions working outside of politics. And yes, they are determined, serious, and it is a true revolution, though it may not suit your parameters.

    And that ‘big tent’ you mention is more a three ring circus. P.T. Barnum couldn’t have been more prophetic.

  • 131. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    I think Alfie is dead on regarding the need for Paulists to start a third party. They will never get the GOP to agree with them on foreign policy.

    I must admit to being a bit slow …. I finally got the reason why the EVOL in the Ron Paul rEVOLution is placed in a box. EVOL is backwards for LOVE.

    Now isn’t that sweet?

  • 132. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Begin the Begin….Miles Standish proud….congratulate me.

  • 133. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    U2 also? Have you no soul El Tigre?;

    The best part of Canada is the Prairie Provinces. They are part of Rush country.

  • 134. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    It is possible that Chief Justice Roberts changed his opinion after pressure from Obama and the news media.

    I’m not sure about the source of the pressure but I have read that particularly if you read the dissenting opinions one can infer that Roberts changed his mind at the last minute. I think it was NBC’s legal correspondent Pete Williams who said this is not unprecedented.

  • 135. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Third parties are notoriously unsuccessful except for the elections they change.

    “Miles Standish proud.” Me too.

  • 136. poolman  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    There already is a libertarian party. The GOP is not as conservative. They (GOP) prefer empire and don’t want to scale down our global dominance. It has been very progressive, in that manner.

    This will be a historical year for politics, here and abroad, before it’s all over.

  • 137. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    For the record, I hate REM. I hate U2 as well.

    This may explain a lot. :-)

    I’m going to take a wild guess and say you like Talking Heads.

  • 138. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    A CBS journalist wrote the same thing, Rutherford. I’m not jumping to conclusions, but true or not, if enough people believe such things are real, the court decisions will be more controversial than they have been. This is fertile ground for another 9/11 conspiracy.

  • 139. Alfie  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    @130 Well see this is an example of how you just don’t know me. I’m a big advocate of third party,in fact I’m kinda eurotrash in that I’m a more the merrier kind of guy.

    Rutherford you’ve just figured out the subliminal messaging for Dear Leader? emend me never to tap you for anagram,crypto quote or word jumble help. :)

    I like early U2.

    Maritime Canada rocks. Maine with manners and less weirdo’s. Although in Maines defense their biggest problem is folks from Mass.

  • 140. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    The One I Love
    Man on the Moon
    Stand

    And for some reason, some Pearl Jam tunes sometimes remind of R.E.M. :neutral:

  • 141. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Talkin Heads were worth a shit.

    (that’s high praise from me — I’m cirtical bastard when it comes to music. . . okay, I am just a critical bastard).

    Sorry to dissapoint James. I consider U2, REM, Bruce Springsteen, and Gun n Roses the most overrated in the history of R&R.

  • 142. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    I just remembered an odd blog written late last month or so. The writer claimed that Roberts has epilepsy and the medication is known to affect memory and cognition.

    The writer thought Democrats in and out of the media were planning to argue that Robert’s decision was based on incompetent thinking influenced by medication.

    I don’t claim its true.

  • 143. Newt or no newt  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    “Rand would NOT be the choice,” why not Poolman? Too much charisma on one ticket? I do agree with you that the 2012 political year is one for the books, and it isn’t over yet.

  • 144. Alfie  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    @ pool man read up on Walter Russell Meade’s schools of FP. (Hamiltonian,Jeffersonian,Wilsonian,Jacksonian)
    I don’t see a credible libertarian party,I see a diverse mix of views and chatter but when it comes to putting rubber on the road they seem to pick a schmuck and then vote republican. WTF is that?
    @ anybody here. Talking Heads SUCK!!!!!
    @James I had a friend that did the marathon combine harvester thing once through the North American prairies he said it all looked the same.

  • 145. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Roberts may have been more clever than I first thought. I heard yesterday when everyone else is playing Checkers, Roberts is playing Chess.

    By getting two libs to side with him on the Commerce Clause abuse, we may have indeed gotten a much larger victory than anyone has yet noticed and set precedent.

    And by the way. Though the decision pissed me off, the final decision is now right where it always should have been. To a vote of the people affected, with a clear delineation that the Obama Health tax is just that – a huge tax on the middle class.

  • 146. Alfie  |  July 2, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    I’ve come to believe Roberts saw his history moment. Bigger than Citizens this was his legacy falling into his lap. He wasn’t letting it fall to the floor.

  • 147. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    REM overrated themselves sometimes, but I still like them. I like the others too, but I agree they are over- rated.

    I question including them on a Rock and Roll list. I grew up on real Rock and Roll, not the recycled pap claiming to be rock. Compare any group from Chuck Berry to the Fendermen with REM, Bruce Springsteen, etc and tell me with a straight face that the more recent groups are rockers.

  • 148. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    “@ anybody here. Talking Heads SUCK!!!!!”

    From I guy that likes REM? Ouch.

  • 149. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    “Too much charisma on one ticket?” Ha Ha !!!

  • 150. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    And now to Rabbit, whose recent change in tone makes Noah look like one of my best friends. I’ll play your game and roll the die.

    1. Tea Party. — started as unfocused anger with racist elements; matured into a movement sexy enough to attract some GOP advocates.
    2. The nature of Obamacare — The “nature”? I submit if you don’t support the “nature” of Obamacare you’re a pretty selfish bastard. Why would anyone oppose everyone having access to affordable health care? Now, the implementation of Obamacare — that’s a different story. I’ve said numerous times, a clusterf*ck but the start of something that could become great for this country.
    3. Gitmo — let me repeat for the hard of hearing, I don’t lose sleep over it and I don’t recall devoting a single post to it. I maintain Obama couldn’t close it cos he couldn’t get Congress to appropriate the funds and no one wanted it in their back yard (understandably).
    4. Waterboarding/ assassination — I have consistently stated that Obama has matched or exceeded Bush in the underhanded war tactics. I don’t believe we torture under Obama but we sure as hell kill a lot of people.
    5. War — Basically, see 4.
    6. Cheney — was, is and will always be a pugnacious a$$hole. The only props I give the guy is not throwing his lesbian daughter under the bus. Shows he has some semblance of a heart (even it if’s not his own).

    Now here’s a better die for you to throw Rabbit.

    1. Census worker hanging (which I wrote a “my bad” for).
    2. Palin obsession — I should have stayed off Twitter after Gabby was shot and waited for my head to catch up with my heart. Again, my bad.
    3. Early dismissal and dissing of Tea Party — didn’t see the forest for the racist trees.
    4. Premature love of Occupy — Made me feel I could relive a time I was born too late for … the 60’s. Still love the original sentiment, can’t defend the approach which has for the time being made them irrelevant.
    5. Sometimes too quick to yell “racism” — this is a tough call for me because I really try not to go there but I don’t always succeed. Topic too easily pricks an underlying seething anger at past abuses.
    6. Fell for “hope and change” — similar to 4. The man spoke stuff I hadn’t heard in my lifetime. I was way too naive to realize it just wasn’t going to happen in the real world.

  • 151. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    “By getting two libs to side with him on the Commerce Clause abuse, we may have indeed gotten a much larger victory than anyone has yet noticed and set precedent.”

    No comprendo. No doubt, since Wickard v Filburn the CC has been on a death spiral of meaninglessness and liberal abuse, why not vote the majority on both issues? Did I miss something on the breakout?

  • 152. Alfie  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    @148 if I listed the bands I really really like you’d have a lot of ammo methinks.
    Contrary to my personal politics my fave band of all time…The Clash.

  • 153. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Train Vain was better when done by other artists. :lol:

    I never have understood why the Clash were such a force.

    Alfie, in a lot of ways I’m like one of the main characters in High Fidelity. I love picking on others’ collections and tastes. I am a huge snob — but I really am more of jazz head.

  • 154. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    Damn Tex … Daughter is great! Also check out Rear View Mirror — a great f*ck off song to an abusive ex lover.

    And yes, The One I Love is the bomb.

    “Saw things so much clearer
    Once you were in my rear view mirror.”

  • 155. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    I think Roberts handed Conservatives a victory we don’t yet realize. I don’t argue how Roberts should have ruled the mandate unconstitutional. As you are aware Tigre, I gave up on our entire legal system being about justice and truth years ago. It has failed as big as Obama i my book because it has one huge flaw – subjective human judgment.

    I’m just saying if Roberts swung a deal, and assuming America grabs half a brain and votes this feckless Obama out of office – a man that shouldn’t have been there to begin with – last Thursday was a huge win for smaller government proponents.

    Rutherford has forgotten his greatest breach, because it was done with such arrogance. The Republican party going the way of the Whigs.

  • 156. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    The epilepsy meme vis-a-vis Roberts was repeated by Michael Savage after the decision came down, showing what a bottom feeding a$$hole Savage is.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/28/michael-savage-john-roberts-epilepsy-medication_n_1636092.html

  • 157. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Rutherford, if the demographics had not changed so radically the last 30 years, and I would add America is much, much the worse for it as attested to by one look out your window and a scan around any town, a man of such low character and little truth like Obama the narcissist would never have been considered President, much less elected.

    America is in huge trouble whether Romney wins or not. We’re two steps from becoming a banana republic in my book.

    Barack Obama is at best a man of average intelligence, little decency, and no real skills other than feigning cool, and you know it. If you don’t recognize it, you’re not very smart.

    Our celebrity worshiping culture is the only thing that put this sham of ‘greatness’ there. Obama is a weak man, fool and a Chicago thug with the full backing of the Dim machine – which is corrupt as hell and has been for 60 years.

    The party of Kennedy no longer exists.

  • 158. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Just to be on the record, my guess that El Tigre liked Talking Heads was not meant as a dis. I happen to like them. I just figured El Tigre might lean toward the more intellectual esoteric bands. Looks like I got that one wrong.

    Tigre, who DO you like?

  • 159. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    I’ve heard pundits saying what Tex said on Roberts and the commerce clause. The SCOTUS basically said enough is enough, you can’t justify everything under the CC.

  • 160. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    I never have understood why the Clash were such a force.

    Its like I don’t even know who you are anymore.

    But the best band playing today is hands down Blue Rodeo.

    And if you’re a jazzhead, check their track “Pirahnna Pool”.

  • 161. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Or Piranha Pool. That works too.

  • 162. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    OK, I’m gone for a while. Some last minute study and then I take this blasted mid-term. The f*cker isn’t even for a real grade, doesn’t go on any transcript and really doesn’t matter worth a damn and yet my stomach’s been in knots about it. Too many flashbacks to college exams for which I was woefully unprepared. :-(

    (At least I have a half-assed understanding of the subject matter here. Hopefully the exam won’t be too tough.)

  • 163. dead rabbit  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Hey Captain Fruad, add this to your list of colossal fuck ups. Obama bankrupted us. Alphie, you don’t think the libertarians will ever take the reigns? There will be no other choice but libertarianism. Baby boomer vampire fucks might reach their dirt nap with a smile on their rotted corpses. Maybe. Tex is right. Obamacare will vanish. I can’t wait to see the looks in liberal rat fink faces when the pyramid collapses. Oh the lisping cries for a Nanny that has imploded will be music to my ears. And maybe, jusy maybe, the savages will attempt to just take by force and, by means of defense, I can make a necklace out ears.

  • 164. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Look at the bright side of The Obamacare Health TAX – one of the families that is going to get popped the hardest vis-a-vis disposable income/expense?

    The Poolman family.

    Mofo helped put this prick there and to this day defends his failure. Now Poolman can help pay for it. Days of freeloading might be quickly coming to an end.

  • 165. poolman  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    I’m not a Clash fan. I’m tainted from working one of their shows where the performance sucked and the low turnout made them angry at those who did show. BTW it was a free show.

    I am a fan of older U2 and had their stuff before it was mainstream. I think they went too political and commercial. I still like much of their stuff. The Joshua Tree was the first ever CD I bought and still enjoy.

    I love Talking Heads. I’m a Bowie fan, too. I like plenty of genres. REM is cool and Pearl Jam, too. Genesis, The Who, CSNY, Soundgarden, Audioslave,… Too many to list. I also have a huge ‘Christian’ music collection. Hendrix famously said Phil Keaggy was the best guitarist he ever met.

  • 166. poolman  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Tex,

    I’m in process of putting MIL in a care facility due to advancing Alzheimer’s. After reading 164, maybe you should get an appointment with a neurologist. Just sayin…

  • 167. Alfie  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    @ET I don’t really dig that tune but for covers their take on I Fought the Law was always cool.
    Closest I came to liking jazz was lying that I did to get a girl.
    @ dead rabbit I think libertarians can’t take it by themselves but are truly better served staying within the GOP and influencing the planks. I don’t see Paul et al as Libertarian though.

  • 168. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    I’m in process of putting MIL in a care facility due to advancing Alzheimer’s.

    That’s a shame – sorry to hear it. Just saw the other day they’re beginning to attribute chronic stress and Alzheimer’s.

    Having you as an SIL leeching off the SS checks must have been pure hell all these years.

  • 169. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    “Tigre, who DO you like?”

    I love Steely Dan.

    As for “rock,” there’s plenty too. Rock to me is about energy as much as anything else. Somebody here mentioned Rush — and although I haven;t thought of them in a long, long time I think they had some really cool stuff. Same with Yes and a lot of the funk and power horns (Tower of Power, Matrix etc.). Not much out there for me know though. Nothing much sounds edgy or unique to me anymore. It’s all a variation of candy.

    (btw, I do like Talking Heads — just not huge fan. When I said “worth a shit” that really was serious, and if you knew me better you’d understand that some would consider that big praise).

  • 170. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    “Closest I came to liking jazz was lying that I did to get a girl.”
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Do you still have a number? It never got me laid.

  • 171. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 2, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    I love Steely Dan.

    “Sign In Stranger” and “Only a Fool Would Say That” pretty much describe this administration.

    Still, if someone keeps Black Cow turned up to 11, then I won’t start humming Babylon Sisters.

  • 172. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    I like Steely Dan too and Red Hot Chili Peppers.

    If Obama wins the election, we will be singing “Do It Again” while we are “Reelin in the Years” waiting for final deliverance from progressives’ “Dirty Work.”.

  • 173. PFesser  |  July 2, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    ” The f*cker isn’t even for a real grade, doesn’t go on any transcript and really doesn’t matter worth a damn and yet my stomach’s been in knots about it”

    Don’t overthink it. I was in a veritable tizzy in my “social science” class in undergrad, constantly in a fight with the grad student, one “Diane Onion.” You couldn’t make that name up. The prof was too lazy to teach the class, so Diane did the honors, if I may be excused a little license. She was a HUGE, highly pissed-off black chick who didn’t much like white folks and white males all the lesser.

    I was trying to get in med school and it looked like I wasn’t even going to pass, let alone get a decent grade.

    I finally got good and stoned and thought a bit…and had a little epiphany. After that point, any open-ended test or quiz question was answered from the following POV: 1)an problem presented is solved by more federal money, after a study of course. A new give-away program is in order always. 2) whatever the problem, it is Whitey’s fault because he has oppressed everyone else. I am not making up a single word of the above; that’s how it rolled.

    Got my “A.” Didn’t even hurt all that much. No wonder I have such disdain for the Left.

  • 174. PFesser  |  July 2, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    re: Steely Dan. Luv ‘em. Started collecting all my favorite songs about ten years ago; “Go Back Jack” leads the parade of ~ 200. LOOOOOVE “FM.” My new fave is “Don’t Take me Alive.” Oddly I had never heard it until a few years ago.

    Anybody know where The Dan got its name?

    Marshall Tucker?

    Jethro Tull?

    ZZ Top?

    Led Zepp?

    Uriah Heep?

    Enquiring minds want to know!

  • 175. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    I finally got good and stoned and thought a bit…and had a little epiphany. After that point, any open-ended test or quiz question was answered from the following POV: 1)an problem presented is solved by more federal money, after a study of course. A new give-away program is in order always. 2) whatever the problem, it is Whitey’s fault because he has oppressed everyone else. I am not making up a single word of the above; that’s how it rolled.

    :lol: :lol:

    I did the exact same thing on the ‘Verbal Reasoning’ portion of the MCAT, Pfesser. The exact same thing. I picked the most socialist answer there was, and presto.

    I would read some of that humanities crap they lay on us poor students, pick the most ridiculous sounding, lefty pinko response – always with the liberal English instructor in mind, and invariably get the right answer. I got an outstanding score doing that.

    Until that time where I actually tried to apply real logic and cold verbal reasoning, the best I had been able to answer was an ‘8’.

    I swear that is a true story.

  • 176. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 2, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    >>>Anybody know where The Dan got its name?<<<<

    William Borroughs. It was the name of a dildo.

  • 177. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Interesting…very interesting. Here’s the course Rutherford should be taking. But it wouldn’t be his stomach that would be in knots. That walnut sized brain might seize….

    The Laffer Curve Wreaks Havoc in the United Kingdom

    http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2012/07/01/the-laffer-curve-wreaks-havoc-in-the-united-kingdom/

  • 178. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    The Naked Lunch.

    Anyone know that Chevy Chase played drums with Fagan and Becker?

  • 179. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    “Led Zepp?”

    Didn’t one of their early producers say that whatever they thought their band name should be would “go over like a lead balloon or zeppelin?”

    I assume Uriah Heep was named after the charcter in David Copperfield.

  • 180. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    The Tex Taylor Postulate:

    The louder the wailing and gnashing of teeth, the greater the whining and moaning, the more ‘progressives’ marginalize or discount the argument, the closer you have gotten to the absolute truth.

    Hence, we will not miss the videos of Bill Whittle. :razz:

    In my part of the country, this is not required. We loathe Obama and suspected him a charlatan from the start, which he now has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. B.O. be lucky to get 30% of the November vote in my home state, and Texas would elect an illegal before Obama. But Rabbit, Pfesser, BIC – you guys are in potential swing states.

    I’m with Bill Whittle – hopefully you feel the same.

  • 181. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Rabbit, how is Obama bankrupting us MY f*ckup? Besides, Bush bankrupted us. Obama is just presiding over the end result disaster.

    You’re beginning to sound pathological. Is Leo keeping you up at night? Seriously dude. You need a Valium.

  • 182. an800lbgorilla  |  July 2, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    R, please, pull your head out. Bush’s worst deficit was 480 billion- and it was going down. Obama has been between 1.3 and 1.8 trillion every year. Bush racked up 4 trillion in debt- indeed inexcusable- in 8 years. Obama will have surpassed 6 trillion in just 4.

    There is no comparison except to say Bush is a rank armature when it comes to running up massive debts…

  • 183. an800lbgorilla  |  July 2, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    You still convinced that Obamacare isn’t an albatross around Obama’s neck?

  • 184. an800lbgorilla  |  July 2, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    I’m a pretty big Pink Floyd fan. In fact, going to see Roger Waters in a couple weeks. VERY stoked!

  • 185. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    I like Pink Floyd alot too.

  • 186. an800lbgorilla  |  July 2, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Dark Side of the Moon is awesome. Of course, the Wall is great too. I’ll listen to some of the eclectic stuff too, like Umma Gumma, bnut you really have to be in the mood for it.

  • 187. nagic  |  July 2, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Sorry for missing the new thread, was scrolled down on the last hitting refresh. From my last there.

    Now that we have punitive taxation approved by our supreme court, how long do you think before we start having debtor’s prisons? I bet 10 years tops.

    Also Rutherford could I get a response on the previous thread 140. Thanks

  • 188. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Days of freeloading might be quickly coming to an end.

    You accidentally stumbled upon one of the main features. Since you hate Obama, just listen to Romney explain the MA program and maybe you’ll become a fan.

  • 189. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    “I’m with Bill Whittle” — is that really what that T shirt means — “I’m With Stupid”

  • 190. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Tigre, with the jazz jones you have, I completely understand the affinity for Steely Dan. The progressive rock bands Yes, ELP and to some extent Kansas incorporate jazz elements so again, very understandable.

    Am I right you’re not a big lyrics guy? You’re more interested in the instrumentation?

    I love piano/bass/drum trios. I went through a major Oscar Peterson phase. Saw him in concert twice.

  • 191. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    I never knew the MCAT called for a political ideology.

  • 192. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Bravo BiW … old PF screwing with my lousy memory again. I vaguely remembered Steely Dan being a contraceptive device (i.e. chastity belt) but you are correct Sir … it was indeed a dildo.

    Wasn’t Jethro Tull an agricultural icon of some sort?

  • 193. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    I’m 99% sure I’ve said this before but the main thing that pisses me off about Whittle is that soft voice he uses to deliver his garbage. If you’re gonna call me a bastard, at least raise your voice to do it.

  • 194. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    You know the main reason I gave my original immature response to the SCOTUS ruling (“suck on it”)? Because all you guys were so arrogantly cocksure the court would rule in your favor and not only did you get it wrong but the guy you thought was an ace in the hole turned on you. There isn’t much more pleasurable than seeing that kind of arrogance served a kick in the nuts. And as Whittle whimpers, you guys are devastated. I almost hope Obama loses in November just to stop the rash of depression fueled suicides that would result on the right.

  • 195. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    “Am I right you’re not a big lyrics guy? You’re more interested in the instrumentation?”

    Yes. But great lyrics are. . . great. They tend to be secondary to me though.

  • 196. PFesser  |  July 2, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    BIW, ET – One kewpie doll for each of you.

    ….I always wanted to be called “Steely Dan.” Oh well….

    Marshall Tucker – found a scrap of paper after a show with the name, “Marshall Tucker” on it. Nothing else, not even a phone #. Pretty sure that’s right – it was on an old House of Blues call-in.

    Led Zepp – Yep, you guys should go over like a lead balloon.

    ZZ Top – Two most popular rolling papers? Why, Zig-Zag and Top, of course…

    Uriah Heep? A character in a Dickens novel, David Copperfield. A most loathsome fellow, but he had a cool name and the copyright on it had expired.

    Jethro Tull? Englishman who invented the corn drill. Who knew?

  • 197. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    an800lbgorrila and rabbit were right Rutherford.Bush did not bankrupt the United States and neither has Obama.

    I hope you were paying attention. gorrila neglected to mention the projected course of Obama’s deficits. They are massive.

    I never knew MCAT called for a political ideology either.

    I love “The Wall.” In honor of gorrila, The Gorrilaz.

  • 198. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    “Because all you guys were so arrogantly cocksure the court would rule in your favor. . .”

    I don’t think any such “cocksuredness” exists.

    The funny thing is the basis for the ruling. Even your beloved Messiah didn’t see that one coming, nor did the drafters of this piece of shit that thought they had solid footing on CC grounds.

    If I weren’t getting the same thing, I’d say “you deserve what you get.”

  • 199. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    I’m a pretty big Pink Floyd fan. In fact, going to see Roger Waters in a couple weeks. VERY stoked!

    Gorilla needs an 8 year old. We’re going to see the American Idol tour next Saturday night. My kid loves the country singer who didn’t win (Skylar Laine).

  • 200. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    We saw ZZ Top at the Sturgis motorcycle rally around 1991. They drove their ZZ Top car to Rapid City from Wall Drug with an honor guard of about twenty bikers.

  • 201. Rutherford  |  July 2, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    Noah, regarding 140 from the prior thread: sometimes the messenger is so odious that the message truly needs to be ignored. Put the same message in better hands, and I might pay attention.

    There was some truth in Trump’s comment … in fact, to be honest, the comment was so cleverly constructed I have to doubt that Trump actually said it. Trump is a boorish fool. I’m ashamed that I watch his show religiously but I find it addictive.

    I’m not going to bother with a line by line since the overall statement is a cynical comment not qualifying as constructive criticism. I’m pretty sure the 16,000 IRS agents have been debunked.

    The notion we don’t have enough doctors to care for our citizens in need is a problem that goes way beyond the ACA. The implied idea that we should keep the system broken so we don’t have to have more doctors is absurd.

  • 202. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Gorilla, you might be jealous that I was in Berlin for the Wall at the Wall concert in the summer of 1990. Wow was that a long, hot, crazy, fun day. I wish I could re-live it.

    Got there and near the stage at sometime around noon. When dusk came on, and the concert was preparing to start, I believed at one point we might be crushed to death. I remember my feet coming off the ground while the crowd surged. Terrifying. Things settled down later.

    A lot of technical glitches, but it was a very memorable experience since it proved to be a reunion with my friends. We were all together when the Berlin wall actually fell in the fall of 1989. God I love Euorpean women.

    I still have a giant hunk of the Berlin wall that I hammered down. Customs didn’t know what to do with it when I dragged it through. They were prepared to smash into smaller pieces to look for something hidden inside. I told them that would be okay since I could give pieces to my friends for mementos. They decided that was too much trouble and let me lug that block home intact.

  • 203. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    R @ 199, I’m calling DEFACS. That’s just wrong.

  • 204. thorsaurus  |  July 2, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    “Of course, the Wall is great too. I’ll listen to some of the eclectic stuff too, like Umma Gumma,”

    Is that the one that has the small animals in a cave with a water pict or something?

    Jethro Tull has something to do with a farm implement, like calling your band the Massey Fergusons. Led Zeppelin had something to do with the the Who I believe.

    Lynyrd Skynyrd was named after a teacher. Maybe there will be a band called the Dead Rabbits some day.

    ET, do you like Little Feat’s “Waiting for Columbus”? The Tower of Power was their horn section on that live album.

    Found it.

  • 205. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    It is absurd to smash an already broken system as Obama has just done. You are feeding us a red herring when you defend Obamacare by telling us we “should keep the system broken.” No one I know has said that. How does herring taste fried, or is it better poached?.

    How do you know the 16,000 IRS agents have been debunked? I don’t know if they have been or not, but the IRS will have more enforcement duties than it had. How will they complete their mission without more staff?

    Has anyone seen the video of “Sometime Around Midnight” by Airborne Toxic Event? The song describes a true situation and the singer’s temporary breakdown. . I suspect you on the left will react similarly after you realize the Light Master has led us into perdition.

  • 206. PFesser  |  July 2, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    ET – very cool re: your experiences at The Real Wall.

    along those lines – Pink Floyd – named after two bluesmen, Pink Anderson, Floyd Council.

  • 207. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    ” those memories come rushing like feral waves to your mind…and you feel homeless and hopeless….”

    Its coming like “Sometime Around Midnight”, and you will bitterly remember the golden days and wonder why you could let them betray you. It will be small comfort, but I will delight in saying “I told you so.”

  • 208. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    “ET, do you like Little Feat’s “Waiting for Columbus”? The Tower of Power was their horn section on that live album.”

    Can’t say that I have.

    p.s. Tower of Power is more than a horn section, but it is its claim to fame.

  • 209. dead rabbit  |  July 2, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    Obamacare is simple. The same game plan the baby boom vampires always employ. Raid the good health of young people and force them to pay for the old sick fuckers, as they enjoy their pensions and social security.

    It’s a generational war. This young generation, for all the bad press they get, should be getting their ass kissed by the boomers. They are bank rolling their unsustsianble life styles while they volunteer to fight war after war (they don’t spit on one another when they return home).

    Personally, I’m techincally last of the vampires. I swear to God, I will enjoy the day my pension implodes just to see the look on the faces of my entitled and clueless colleagues.

  • 210. dead rabbit  |  July 2, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    R, on the way to the concert, explain to your little girl how much money she has loaned Daddy so that Daddy can have a life style that her generation can’t enjoy.

  • 211. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    You can’t accuse me of arrogance, Brotha “R”. I never said a word about prediction of verdict – just that Obama loses either way. Go back and read the thread – Mr. Tigre said the same thing. All I said afterward is that I believe that little smug smile on your ugly mug is going to disappear in about 125 days.

    Did you flunk your soci test, Rutherford? :razz: I read an ominous warning of wailing and gnashing in your tone. You’ll note I haven’t been the least bit ferocious in the Health TAX act by Obama. We can now say it’s a tax without debate – the biggest one on the middle class in U.S. history. Abput 1.7 trillion with another $500 billion in medicare cuts. Those same stink stars out waving their banners for Obamacare in front of the Supreme Court are just about to find out their freeloading days are over.

    We as a nation are in dire straights, even if you’re too mathematically challenged and beholden to the racists like Holder and the black caucus to recognize it – a caucus equally as racist as Bull Connor. The system you propose for everything – more government – has proven to be both unworkable and unsustainable. Medicare is going broke – Medicaid on life support.

    Now get back to your studying – you were born to be a sociologist. :twisted:

  • 212. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    Since they were one of my two or three favorite bands, I’m pretty familiar with this story – out of the car long hairs! :lol:

    Lynyrd Skynyrd teacher who inspired name dies

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/sep/21/lynyrd-skynyrd-teacher-dies

  • 213. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Oh, to correct myself, I might have predicted some months back I thought the SCOTUS would overturn ObamaCare. I forget the little pedantic poet, who might go back months through hundreds of posts to prove me wrong. :wink:

    But certainly not the last weeks, Brotha ‘R’. I know too well how f~~ked up our court system is…

  • 214. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Give us more Solyndra and BongoCare!!!!!!

    In other news…

    US factory output at three-year low

    What was that the poet was saying about our roaring economy by the hand of Moses Obama?

    In a shock to economists who were expecting manufacturing growth to slow moderately, the Institute for Supply Management’s survey on the US industrial sector reported a large decline in activity from 53.5 in May to 49.7 in June – its lowest level since the recession ended in mid-2009.

  • 215. James  |  July 2, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    I don’t need no stinking ;pension and will take Social Security at 70 because they government says we can’t wait longer. Its going to be rough on a lot of people. I hope most of them have kids to move in with after they have stolen their birthright.

  • 216. Newt or no newt  |  July 2, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Most people in Massachusetts like their Romneycare, it is the same thing as Obamacare, so give it a chance. As things are at present your insurance premiums are paying for all the deadbeats without insurance, that is why they are so costly. And the same is true of co-pays, just saying, don’t blame me, I’m just the messenger.

  • 217. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 2, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Most people in Massachusetts like their Romneycare, it is the same thing as Obamacare, so give it a chance.

    No, I don’t think I will.

    Its a bad idea, made worse by deliberately poor execution, which will ultimately result in a single payer system….run by the same geniuses who brought you the Post Office, and as well managed as Social Security.

    And they only had to out and out lie, weedle, change the rules, and bribe people who work for us to get it passed in the first place.

    And then there is the whole “they don’t have the authority” to do it issue.

    But hey, what could go wrong?

  • 218. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Newt, if your name isn’t Sensico in a past day, your next of kin. No, our premiums are not expensive because of people without health care. It’s far more complicated than that.

    That was one of the dumbest statements I’ve read here. And with Poolman in company, reading daily dumb ass reports is common place around here.

    When you can convince me your messiah Obama and his minions are more capable of making better decisions for me and my family, then I will listen to flunkies people like you. But the federal government and our state governments have proven themselves time and again as grossly incompetent in virtually every capacity.

    Let’s work on separating your from me amicably. How’s that strike you?

    Adding 30,000,000 people to health care will not lower costs by a long shot. :roll: Liberal arts major? Sociologist?

  • 219. PFesser  |  July 2, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Absolutely love Little Feat. Gives me chills thinking about “Spanish Moon.”

    OK, guys, don’t boo me off the blog, but I have been in love with this chick since I got my first erection.

  • 220. PFesser  |  July 2, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    I’ll try to redeem myself with this one:

  • 221. poolman  |  July 2, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Maybe there will be a band called the Dead Rabbits some day.

  • 222. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Here non Newt, or whatever the hell your name is. You want to know why our health care is so damn expensive? Here’s one reason:

    A record of 8,733,461 workers took federal disability insurance payments in June 2012, according to the Social Security Administration. That was up from 8,707,185 in May.

    And you want more government dependency? You people are not only confused. You’re certifiably stupid. And Obama and his thugs are a large part of the cause.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/8733461-workers-federal-disability-exceed-population-new-york-city

  • 223. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    And you wonder why I find our judicial system politicized and corrupt?

    Of the 93 U.S. Federal Attorneys,

    Fforty-seven of these attorneys have not donated any money to any candidates for office in the past six years, according to records available from the Center for Responsive Politics. Collectively, the remaining 46 have donated $235,651 to President Obama, the DNC, and Democratic candidates since January 1, 2007. Not one has donated to any Republican candidate. Of the 46 who donated, 36 donated to President Obama’s presidential campaign in 2008, or his reelection campaign this year, or both, for a total of $77,782.

  • 224. nagic  |  July 2, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Rutherford 201. Since you lack the ability to see past the man to look at the message, might I suggest you not comment at all if the message is beyond your capabilities to debunk. I dont need to know your particular choice for an excuse each time around, you either do, or you do not. These are VERY key points to this topic and you have no grounds for your opinion if you cannot take on these points.

    I also noted your lack of comment to Whittle’s video. Why is it when any reason argument is presented, you take the low road and make some meaningless comment? We all know the reason why, really we do. You KNOW, your point of view only holds water for so far, and when too much logic, or too much light is shed on it, it falls apart completely. You have believed for so long that the Leftist way is right that you cannot/will not risk an honest conversation/evaluation of your stated beliefs.

    This is why so many people consider you disingenuous, and a fraud. I am asking you to step up, or at least admit your arguments are all emotion based with no sound reasoning behind them at all.

  • 225. Alfie  |  July 2, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    @216 not for nothing Newt or not your position is over simplistic and overly optimistic.
    Statistics bear out that MA residents still have a favorable view of health care reforms (52%) and larger % state he has been a good thing (70-73 % range).
    This isn’t the full story though.
    Small businesses are still in an unfair position,the favorability ratings isn’t isolated on those that got insurance via “RomneyCare”,the % targeted in MA would be enviable for Obama.
    There are huge differences.

  • 226. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    “As things are at present your insurance premiums are paying for all the deadbeats without insurance, that is why they are so costly.”

    Yeah. Every economist knows pouring trillions of mandated dollars into a government managed service lowers costs. :roll:

    It’s like I stepped through the Looking Glass.

  • 227. poolman  |  July 2, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    Can you think of anything our government does right?

  • 228. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Also where did the idea that “this is a good first step” come in? Once this juggernaut is in place, there’ll be no way to unfuck it. Does anyone really believe this is a try and see if it works option?

  • 229. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    “Can you think of anything our government does right?”

    Blow shit up.

  • 230. poolman  |  July 2, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Blow shit up.

    :lol: Very true indeed. I don’t think that helps humanity much though.

  • 231. Newt or no newt  |  July 2, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    All I know is hospitals must meet their costs, some even expect to make a profit, but they have a problem, they cannot turn down patients. So those with the means to pay are charged more, or rather their insurance provider is charged more to make up for what the hospital cannot collect. Naturally, insurance companies simply raise premiums and co-pays. It really is that simply and until someone comes with another plan, the so called Obama plan is the only solution offered, so it better work. If it doesn’t then it will be on to plan B. Do you have any solutions or are you just going to complain?

  • 232. Alfie  |  July 2, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    @newt 231 are you an advocate of price controls or rationing by whatever euphemism you like,

  • 233. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    “Very true indeed. I don’t think that helps humanity much though.”

    I do.

  • 234. poolman  |  July 2, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    I knew there are plenty who think so. Why else would we do so much of it and spend so much of this fiat doing so? It is easier that finding real solutions.

  • 235. nagic  |  July 2, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Did you know the Obama care puts no limits on what pharmaceutical companies can charge?

    Talking with a friend who lives in Canada, he personally feels their system sucks. He said if you have any non life threatening illness, you might as well just live with it, because by the time you get in to see the doctor, it more than likely will have passed. Their Prime Minister had so much faith in their system that when he had a health issue he came here to Michigan to the Ford Clinic to get worked on.

  • 236. poolman  |  July 2, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    I understand the Swiss build explosives in all their infrastructure so as to blow it up themselves in case someone invades their land. And this gives them a sense of security. Some of it is noted and some is secretive.

    I guess that doesn’t really give me a sense of security. But it does explain the mentality of some folks.

  • 237. Newt or no newt  |  July 2, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Alfie, I’m a realist and my eyes are wide open. Tex, you got me, Newt or no newt is not my Christian name.

  • 238. an800lbgorilla  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Gorilla needs an 8 year old. We’re going to see the American Idol tour next Saturday night. My kid loves the country singer who didn’t win (Skylar Laine).” – R

    R, I have an 8 year old and a 3 year old. Idol rots the brain, I’m thoroughly convinced of that. Besides, my boys enjoy a lot of the same music I do. Of course, their mother is an immigrant and they greatly enjoy her cultural music as well.

  • 239. an800lbgorilla  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    ET, I’ve never wanted to rub up on a dude before, but if that’s what it would take to have the fantastic fortune to see the Wall at the Wall, I’d do. HOLY SHIT you lucky motherfucker.

    Now I really hate you…. ok, not so much, but I feel less of a man…

    By the by, I lived in Seattle Washington in the 90’s, so I was essentially in the womb of grunge and the last great music movement of rock and role. Pretty much everything since has sucked balls. Great big salty testes. It’s more than a little depressing…

  • 240. an800lbgorilla  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    R, this is for you:

    It is better to be defeated on principle than to win on lies.Arthur Calwell

  • 241. nagic  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:30 pm

  • 242. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    I think Newt would have been a fine Satanic name – Lucifer even better; Densico most likely. Don’t give me this crap about nobody else has offered a plan. Not only has an alternative plan been offered – it’s been implemented in the best run states like Texas.

    It’s called tort reform…

    But why don’t you tell me how adding 30,000,000 to Medicaid is going to lower health care costs. The same Medicaid going broke as we speak. That always gives me a good chuckle, No Newt.

  • 243. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    I agree with you completely, Gorilla. Grunge was at the tail end of good rock & roll – I can count on one hand good rock & roll songs of the last decade.

    There’s been a little good pop – but about zero R&R.

  • 244. an800lbgorilla  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    What ever happened to that idiot?

  • 245. poolman  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Ruh-oh!

    Earlier this year, Mitt Romney nearly landed in a politically perilous controversy when the Huffington Post reported that in 1999 the GOP presidential candidate had been part of an investment group that invested $75 million in Stericycle, a medical-waste disposal firm that has been attacked by anti-abortion groups for disposing aborted fetuses collected from family planning clinics. Coming during the heat of the GOP primaries, as Romney tried to sell South Carolina Republicans on his pro-life bona fides, the revelation had the potential to damage the candidate’s reputation among values voters already suspicious of his shifting position on abortion.

    But Bain Capital, the private equity firm Romney founded, tamped down the controversy. The company said Romney left the firm in February 1999 to run the troubled 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City and likely had nothing to with the deal. The matter never became a campaign issue. But documents filed by Bain and Stericycle with the Securities and Exchange Commission—and obtained by Mother Jones—list Romney as an active participant in the investment. And this deal helped Stericycle, a company with a poor safety record, grow, while yielding tens of millions of dollars in profits for Romney and his partners. The documents—one of which was signed by Romney—also contradict the official account of Romney’s exit from Bain.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/romney-bain-abortion-stericycle-sec

  • 246. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    I dedicate this one to Gorilla…

  • 247. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    G,I wished you hadn’t gayed it out, but it was a blast, starting with the helicopters swooping in with search lights and the mega phones “in — get in. . . and. . . deal with it!”

    I agree with you and Tex. Grunge was the last of the driving R&R. Hopefully we’ll cycle back into some good shit.

  • 248. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    I dedicate this to SIL leeches living off MIL and sending her to an early grave, believing Mother Jones is credible news source but the Wall Street Journal a sham:

  • 249. poolman  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    I guess if Mother Jones is true and according to the quote in 240, Romney should go down. That is, IF principle really is priority.

  • 250. an800lbgorilla  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    I didn’t get a chance to see Nirvana, but I saw the Foo Fighters, and their bassist was sick, so Chris Novacelik stood in. That’s as close as it gets anymore…

  • 251. Newt or no newt  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Tort reform does colonoscopies to detect cancer early, which costs a lot less to treat? Who knew? You do realize we are talking about breathing people, right?

  • 252. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Where’s the cost containment Newt?

  • 253. dead rabbit  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    Personally, I think we might be in one of the best eras of music in a long time. It’s just that the internet has changed things. Mainstreme music blows. You rarely get the album with critical acclaim that also sells like hot cakes. Music is essentially free now. Even you guys technically “pirate” when you throw a link up from youtube. The entire industry has been thrown on it’s head. You don’t have to be hip either. Just roam the internet amd listen. Its a very creative time right now. Then again, I listen to weird shit, to such an extent I keep it a secret. I love all the music you guys do, I just also love a lot music you guys might hate. I’m the opposote of Tigre. I’m a music whore, not a snob.

  • 254. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    I’ve always though Taylor Hawkins was pretty bad ass.

  • 255. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    ” I’m a music whore, not a snob.”

    Don’t judge me man. :lol:

    Actually I have pretty diverse tastes. I am just a harsh critic. There’s a lot shit out there that passes as some kind of virtuosity.

  • 256. El Tigre  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    . . . and a lot of virtuosity that gets drowned out.

  • 257. Tex Taylor  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Tort reform does colonoscopies to detect cancer early, which costs a lot less to treat? Who knew?

    Tort reform doesn’t affect the colonoscopy but does assure when some dolt like you comes in with Stage IV colon cancer in part caused by an adult lifetime of large objects shoved up the anus, preceded by diverticulitis, the doctor doesn’t get blamed for your negligence and idiocy because he can’t play Jesus and turn you back to street walking, while you sue to bankrupt the doctor and hospital.

    Or maybe you sue for your Type II diabetes because the doctor didn’t monitor your 5,000 calorie a day diet, because his scales read 340′ and it’s the doctor’s fault your morbidly obese.

  • 258. Alfie  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    @ Newt

    Alfie, I’m a realist and my eyes are wide open.

    That doesn’t answer my question. Let me give you a pass of sort. This isn’t a gotcha kind of thing I was genuinely curious if you had formed an opinion on what MA politicians have discovered,what Canada Medicare knows and every UK NHS Trust does.

  • 259. Alfie  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    A rebuttal and opposing factoid view of Messr. Corns slant.

    http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/02/when-did-romney-really-leave-bain/

  • 260. dead rabbit  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    It’s also hard for us old guys to judge new music. Back in the day, when you bought a tape or record you played that motherfucker even if, at first, you didn’t like it. You spent hard earned money and you didn’t have YouTube or a 100 gig of music or ten million other info revolution distractions. The upshot was we gave an album, one initially that might have been inaccessible, a fair shake. This alowed mass appeal for some pretty out there shit. People delete a song like you throw a way a snot rag now. In order to appreaciate the sweet albums of today you have to “learn” them like you did back in the day.

  • 261. dead rabbit  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    Also making in hard to get into music is that our wives woud bitch if we started hanging out in our buddy Vic’s garage blaring the stereo, getting blazed and crushing beer cans.

    I remember being mystified why it was so hard to get laid as a teen ager. I was oblivious that trying to get chicks in your buddy’s old oil slicked garage isn’t smooth.

  • 262. an800lbgorilla  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    DR, Maybe, but tell me what band today makes you feel the way this does:

  • 263. Alfie  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    @dead rabbit: you make an awesome point. I doubt with the advent of iTunes I will ever own an entire “album” ever again. I get the song I like when I think about it.
    Exploration even @ no more than $1.29/song just doesn’t have the same ring to it as going through a whole record,tape or CD and hoping you’d find something other than filler.

  • 264. dead rabbit  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    Holy fuck that cracked me up about cause of poolman’s anal cancer.

  • 265. an800lbgorilla  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    I missed that earlier, HA!

  • 266. dead rabbit  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    Man, isn’t weird you can hear a guitar and just know who it is. Dire Streights is like that. Knophler had this solo album in the late 90s that I just remembered I loved. I can’t remember the name.

  • 267. Newt or no newt  |  July 2, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    Alfie, I think I know where you are coming from with your questions and I would have to agree, no healthcare system is ideal, but we are human and therefore capable of problem solving. From my point of view, our healthcare system has some real problems and that is reason enough to look for solutions. Perhaps you disagree with me, perhaps not?
    Tex, as it happens, I had a colonoscopy a few months ago and I was happy to learn, I have a very healthy colon. But I was not too surprised, I take very good care of myself. I eat clean, I exercise 6 days a week, and I have a physical every year. Yourself?

  • 268. poolman  |  July 3, 2012 at 12:22 am

    You guys have a totally unhealthy fixation with my ass. Never had cancer, but if I develop an abnormal anal growth, I’ll be sure to name it after one of you dingle berries. :grin:

  • 269. Tex Taylor  |  July 3, 2012 at 12:51 am

    But I was not too surprised, I take very good care of myself. I eat clean, I exercise 6 days a week, and I have a physical every year. Yourself?

    And you’re still going to die, guaranteed. And Obamacare will see that happens sooner than later, and when that death announcement comes and you can’t get medicine like Greece, and as you get ready to pass where leftists stand with Father Satan, I want you to remember what it was that you supported. :wink:

  • 270. thorsaurus  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:24 am

    Pf, love the Spanish Moon. Mercenary Territory is cool too. I saw them once at Bumbershoot. It was after Lowell George passed away, but still excellent.

    ET, I think it was just the horn section that toured with them.

    Gorilla, just a guess. Were you stationed at Fort Lewis? Ever got to Bumbershoot?

    R, how did your test go?

    I think government has been instrumental in the development of space exploration and … insect drones. :) I liked the DR song Poolman.

  • 271. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:32 am

    Jethro Tull? Englishman who invented the corn drill. Who knew?

    OK PF give me some props … I did say “agricultural icon”.

    Now it’s my turn … the origin of the name Alice Cooper? (This might have multiple answers but there are two I’ll accept.)

    I’m off to bed with 70 comments yet to review. Damn you boys and girl were busy tonight!

  • 272. Newt or no newt  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:36 am

    We are all going to die Tex, don’t be so dramatic.

  • 273. poolman  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:42 am

    You guys really ought to keep up with the drone technology. It has been the custom of the military and intelligence agencies to not give us the most current skinny on weaponry and surveillance capabilities. The stuff they share has generally been out for a while, while the newer stuff is kept under wraps. I’ve been following a lot of what goes on behind the scenes. Anonymous is soon to release a mega dump stuff to the public. Until then, we get snippits here and there. This was circulated late last month.

    http://patdollard.com/2012/06/swarms-of-cyborg-insect-drones-are-future-of-military-surveillance/

  • 274. thorsaurus  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:43 am

    Canada is ranked 12th in the world in life expectancy. Guess where the US is ranked. I’ll give you a hint, we are only 16 places below Malta.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

  • 275. thorsaurus  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:52 am

    “You guys really ought to keep up with the drone technology.” -Poolman

    Sorry for the ribbing, Poolman. It’s just every time I think about your insect drone story, I picture that Outer Limits episode where the alien convicts escape and come marauding. They turn out to be little hornet looking things with human faces. Creepy. :)

  • 276. poolman  |  July 3, 2012 at 2:08 am

    The Romney campaign is becoming its own worse enemy. It seems to go flippity-floppity-flippity-floppity on down the campaign trail. I don’t think it will matter how much money he raises per vote. At some point even the GOP shills and the Romney cocksuckers are going to want to save face. Except the Alfies of the world, of course.

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/romneys-campaign-should-heed-advice-to-clean-house-starting-with-eric-fehrnstrom/

  • 277. PFesser  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:36 am

    R – didn’t mean to slight you; you were right about Jethro Tull.

    re: medical care. The problem to my very jaundiced eye is as follows: In the ‘sixties, medicine was just like any other private service. Then the govt came in and said, “We can pay for some of that.” When they did, it worked pretty smoothly, but there were problems. They then said, “We will fix those problems.” Of course they CAUSED the problems, but their solution was more govt to fix them. As they paid for more and more, there was beaucoups of money available, so good capitalists started finding more ways to get some of it. Doctors became rich; medical device and pharma companies became rich, because now the free market did not do what it does best: control costs through competition.

    The govt solution: more govt. and more. and more. Now the cost of medical care is unfathomable. Now that the govt pays for so much, the old adage of “Whoever pays the bills calls the shots” is operating. We are required to see and treat everybody, so most folks with three big-screen TVs and four cars don’t bother to buy medical insurance. Since the hospitals and doctors would like to stay in business, they overcharge those who DO have it. (me being one of the overcharged). The reason medical care is so expensive is that, like any government program anywhere in the world, it skews the natural process of supply, demand, prices – and always UPWARD. Always.

    It cannot be fixed by more govt or by trying to fix what we have. It can only be fixed by utter collapse. Fortunately, my Boy Obama is doing that in a headlong rush.

  • 278. PFesser  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:41 am

    re: drones. Did I already post this one?

    I have a toy quadrotor that I fly with my iPad. It has a camera on board. Scarily easy to fly.

  • 279. PFesser  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Here it is: AR Drone. My staff bought it for me as a going-away present. This is just the beginning of an amazing time, my friends.

    http://www.hizook.com/blog/2011/01/12/ipad-and-iphone-controlled-robot-toys

  • 280. an800lbgorilla  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:57 am

    PF, that’s a fake video, you know that, right?

  • 281. an800lbgorilla  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Man, isn’t weird you can hear a guitar and just know who it is. Dire Streights is like that. Knophler had this solo album in the late 90s that I just remembered I loved. I can’t remember the name.” – DR

    Sailing to Philadelphia. Shangra La is another good one. Knophler is hands down the best guitarist I’ve ever seen. Other greats, like Eddie Van Halen recognize his skills as well.

  • 282. James  |  July 3, 2012 at 9:01 am

    Listing longevity statistics is too simplistic and fails to tell us why. One can provide any interpretation that suits his/her agenda.

    BBC News “Why do Americans die younger than Britons?” tries to answer the question. Obesity, smoking, traffic accidents, sloth and bad diets, not our health care system play an important role in our longevity.

    The average life span in some parts of the US matches that of the longest- lived people in countries like Japan.

    “Elderly Americans have a higher chance of surviving heart disease and many cancers that their counterparts in other rich countries where the US lags behind is what happens at a much younger age.

    Its likely not the equality of medical care itself that is the problem but access to it. Medical insurance for all might help. ” Obamacare will make the problem worse. We need an insurance system that includes as many people as possible.

    Pray for good luck and good genes, especially if Obama wins. .

  • 283. an800lbgorilla  |  July 3, 2012 at 9:01 am

    Thor,

    I’m a sailor, so I was in Bremerton, and yes, I did Bumpershoot, Deck the Halls Ball and a couple other festivals. Family Values was a fun one too.

  • 284. James  |  July 3, 2012 at 9:22 am

    I agree, Mark Knophler is one of the best.

    Like rabbit, I am a music whore. I like what I like. Thanks to YouTube I have found foreign and domestic bands I didn’t know existed.

    Nebraska’s state climatologist says that the average temperature has been above normal for every month except September for the last year. Little will change during the growing season, and drought will spread. Dr. Taylor, ISU’s extension climatologist says little will change before mid August.

    Crop prices are rising because of the drought scare.

    Nebraska economist Dr. Ernie Goss says our local economy is slipping and will continue to do so for the rest of the year. Our decline will be nothing compared to other parts of the country. We will continue to be a bright spot.

    Medical supply companies have also been bright parts of our economy, but liberal policies are forcing more to kill jobs or transport them overseas. Our son and his wife live in California. He works for a medical supply company.which has already transferred employees to Texas. He returned from a week’s training session and learned gossip says major layoffs are ahead in the next week or two.

    The Obamacare law will impose a new tax on the companies.

  • 285. James  |  July 3, 2012 at 9:27 am

    I learned about Jethro Tull in grade school. Ironically, the singer was fairly conservative and opposed drug use.

    Atlantic Magazine has an article about farming and how it is changing.

  • 286. Tex Taylor  |  July 3, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Canada is ranked 12th in the world in life expectancy. Guess where the US is ranked. I’ll give you a hint, we are only 16 places below Malta.

    And completely misleading. As a proxy for the percent of white people who live here, you know – the people who founded the country – we are some of the longest lived in the world here in the good, old USA. If food and the easy life weren’t so plentiful, and we weren’t consuming ourselves to death, we might be the longest lived. :smile:

    Not whitey’s fault the brothas are killing themselves in Chicago for a thrill. Not whitey’s fault ‘Native Americans’ are eating and drinking themselves to death. Not whitey’s fault two in five Mexicans are obese and suffering from life threatening rates of Type II diabetes.

    This is the kind of crap leftists pull to justify their lies, like Wisconsin public schools are far superior to Texas public schools when the union debate was going down in WI – but then a little further research indicates, no actually – they are not.

    Remember this beauty? It does my heart good to see leftist lies disassembled. Then one should have been published across every paper in the nation – but then, the message didn’t fit the big government narrative of our media.

    http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2011/03/longhorns-17-badgers-1.html

  • 287. Tex Taylor  |  July 3, 2012 at 9:43 am

    The next time one of these lackeys from the Left throws out their “fact checking” sites, remember to direct them to this:

    Washington Post Fact Checker: I Don’t Fact Check Our Own Writers

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/washington-post-fact-checker-i-dont-fact-check-our-own-writers/article/2501189

  • 288. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 10:29 am

    It’s a generational war.

    LOL There was a time when the young were expected to care for the elderly who had already paid their dues. There was a time we had multigenerational families under one roof so someone was looking after Grandpa and the kids.

    But now it’s a “generational war”. I’m beginning to think Rabbit’s rap name should be Selfish Bastard.

    P.S. I’ve been wracking my brains trying to figure out the recent change in tone with the Rabbit. I may have figured it out. School’s out, so no job. Brand new baby at home screaming at least some of the time — sleepless nights AND it’s hot as a motherf*cker out there. Under those circumstances I’d probably start talking pathological too.

  • 289. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 10:31 am

    explain to your little girl how much money she has loaned Daddy so that Daddy can have a life style that her generation can’t enjoy.

    She’s doing a piss poor job if THIS is the best lifestyle she can get me. :-)

  • 290. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Thanks for asking about the mid-term Tex (albeit in your twisted way). If I had to give myself a grade it would be a B. The two 250 word short answer questions were answered adequately but nothing stellar. The 750 word essay was IMHO much better as I got to pontificate on my favorite subject of politics.

    The exams are being “peer reviewed” so we’ll see what my “peers” have to say.

  • 291. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 10:42 am

    BiW I don’t know your mail situation but if health insurance is run like the postal system, I wouldn’t be too upset. I’d say when it comes to receiving my mail and my sent mail meeting its destination, we’re talking a 99.9% success rate.

  • 292. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 10:45 am

    “The exams are being “peer reviewed” so we’ll see what my “peers” have to say.”

    If it’s peer review you want, post your answers here. I’ll be happy to pretend that you’re a peer to have crack at those bad boys. :lol:

  • 293. Tex Taylor  |  July 3, 2012 at 10:46 am

    I’ve been wracking my brains trying to figure out the recent change in tone with the Rabbit.

    Or, it could be something more profound than simply life’s up and downs.

    Maybe the Rabbit now that he’s become a father, realizes like some of us do that for years you and your ilk have been irreparably damaging the country with your lies, and your bullshit victimization, your dependency and viciousness to remain in power, and your rank propaganda; perhaps Rabbit sees the writing on the wall that you big government program proponents which have utterly destroyed portions of this country are an anathema to good.

    Maybe unlike Leftists, Rabbit cares about the general welfare of his children and their children and recognizes he’s been played a fool by attempting to participate within a rigged game. Maybe, just maybe, he’s not the selfish bastard here?

    Maybe Rabbit has simply had enough of being lied to and the game playing, wants better for his children, realizes we either divest ourselves of statists or go down with them, and he doesn’t want that for his children where you seem perfectly content to let that happen – even happily play party to it.

  • 294. Tex Taylor  |  July 3, 2012 at 10:50 am

    BiW I don’t know your mail situation but if health insurance is run like the postal system, I wouldn’t be too upset. I’d say when it comes to receiving my mail and my sent mail meeting its destination, we’re talking a 99.9% success rate.

    Don’t get too bent, BIC. Obviously, Rutherford’s idea of health care is successful if the aspirin delivery only cost $10.00 per tablet, you only have to pay $6.00 for the throw away cup and water, and they only will deliver on M/W/F with holidays off.

  • 295. Tex Taylor  |  July 3, 2012 at 10:52 am

    Rutherford, I’m really bored. I would be happy to “peer review” those answers of yours. :razz:

    I think you’ve finally found your true calling – sociology, that is.

  • 296. James  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Congratulations on doing well, Rutherford.

    Andy Griffith just died.

  • 297. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:09 am

    PF, no dissing from me regarding Petula. “Downtown” is to my mind so iconic of the 60’s. Great song, great singer. If my history is correct,. Petula kissed Harry Belafonte on TV and racists crapped their pants all over the country.

    Alicia Keys’ “Empire State of Mind” seems like Downtown updated to today.

  • 298. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:10 am

    R.I.P. Andy.

  • 299. Tex Taylor  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Andy had turned Leftist – Obama rube. :razz: Ronny Howard too. A crying shame Hollywood had corrupted them. They were far better off in Mayberry.

    But, as I child I enjoyed the show – Don Knotts in particular.

  • 300. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:17 am

    James, to my surprise that news brought tears to my eyes. The Andy Griffith Show has always been one of my all time favorites. Seeing these folks you’ve grown up with die just reminds you of your own mortality. He was two years older than my Dad. :-(

  • 301. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:21 am

    “Andy had turned Leftist – Obama rube.”

    Obviously he has been slipping for some time.

  • 302. PFesser  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:29 am

    “PF, that’s a fake video, you know that, right?”

    I wasn’t aware of that. If so, it’s pretty good. Notice how the quadrotor tilts forward to maintain its position against the recoil? Notice how when the gun fires, the recoil pushes the quadrotor backward?

    Are you sure? Have any cites on that?

  • 303. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:59 am

    He said if you have any non life threatening illness, you might as well just live with it,

    Now one of you (I don’t remember who) said that the Canadian system only works if you have a run of the mill problem but for life threatening issues, there are wait times.

    So which is it?

    I don’t think anyone here has the slightest idea what they’re talking about regarding Canada. I’ve heard from Canadians and Brits who are quite happy with their health care.

  • 304. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    I have an 8 year old

    Well ain’t that something? Here’s a scare. My daughter could some day end up married to G’s son! G, you’ll be happy to know my kid skews conservative at least 50% of the time.

  • 305. dead rabbit  |  July 3, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    I am angry that the American people were lied to creating a precedent where the government will punish a once free people for any reason they deem the collective more important then the individual. Am I radicalized now? I don’t give a rat’s ass. I see liberals the same way American patriots saw the British.

    Want to hear something even more pathalogical? I intend to teach my boys that spilling blood may be the only option if your lording state continues to steal and tread on their liberty. That’s right. Keep this shit up and we will fucking kill you like Locke and Jefferson suggest we do.

    How dp ypu like them

  • 306. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Ahhh Poolman, Romney’s firm props up a fetus trash factory. Let’s see how our staunch pro-life advocate Dead Rabbit reacts to that.

    DR how can you vote for this man in good conscience? Oh the humanity!!!

  • 307. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Yeah DR, that’s the ticket. Prepare the boys for a life in prison over f*cking melodrama as opposed to being good citizens who try to change things peaceably.

    Get out of Michigan dude …. go to Hawaii or something. You need a change of scenery..

  • 308. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    DR, the only Jefferson who told you to kill me was Jefferson Davis. :-)

  • 309. nagic  |  July 3, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Rutherford, still waiting on a response. As for Canada, I will do a little research and take you down…again.

  • 310. muffy  |  July 3, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Turns out the big f@cking deal is a big f@cking lie. Quite the display of integrity.

    Sandi, what does “newt or no newt” mean exactly? Just curious.

  • 311. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Is Newt Sandi Behrns?

  • 312. dead rabbit  |  July 3, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    You’ve already stolen hundreds of thousands from them. What if 30 years from now your state’s bullying intensifies? What if there is an uprising of producers, sick of the yoke. What if your state becomes even more desperate to keep the Ponzi going a few more years? What if the state dictates dozens of products they have to buy? What if there is a rebellion? Taxation without representation on our childeren. I’m not going to raise terrorists or murderers. But they will understand that there maybe a time when they have to fight for their freedom.

  • 313. uawtradesman  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    thought I’d stop in from M&H and say HI and have a Happy 4th……
    Oh…Fat Grannies have shoveled some more again

  • 314. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    What if the state dictates dozens of products they have to buy?

    SHHHHHHHHHHH!

    Quit F^@!in with their next plan to save GM.

    It isn’t a “penalty”, its a “Tax” For NOT buying a Chevy Dolt, Comrade. We find your lack of patriotism disturbing.

  • 315. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    BiC, I posted Tex’s question for R at your place too. I’e a good one and has gone unanswered. Again:

    Is there any restriction on what our government can do? Other than the hated forced acknowledge of Christianity, I mean. On my way to Houston the other day, it occurred to me, when it comes to a Dimocratic President, I couldn’t offhand think of one thing that you might find as restriction on Obama if he were for it.

    Not one. Can government force us to buy solar power for instance? Can they force us to buy hybrid cars, if they so dictate? If not, why not?

  • 316. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Alfie I appreciate the Fortune article reemphasizing the Feb 99 departure of Romney from Bain, but it’s really a lot of legal excuse making. The article admits it was basically impossible for Romney to sever ties between Feb and August of 1999 when the Stericycle deal was signed.

    Romney still has dead fetus blood on his hands. That’s the price of amoral investing. If it wasn’t Stericyle it would have been something else. I’m quite damn sure that Bain didn’t apply any moral barometer to its investments. Just like the deals which didn’t go well for employees, that’s the price of capitalism.

    Perhaps Romney’s candidacy is a good civics lesson for us all vis-a-vis the dark side of capitalism.

  • 317. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Oh yeah … kudos to Poolman for finding a song by Dead Rabbit!!! :lol:

  • 318. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Describe Romney’s role Rutherford.

    And since when do you care about the disposal of fetuses?

    It’s woman’s right to choose.

  • 319. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    As long as they tie it into the tax code, I don’t see Fediathan from being restricted at all in this ruling. But then, I haven’t finished reading it yet.

    Of course, I’m not sure that it applies to just buying things. This breathtaking expansion of the gneral welfare clause (and that is really what we’re talking about) could conceivably be tied to any behavior.

    Nanny government was just written a blank check to interfere in the minutae of your life in ways that no one has yet conceived of.

  • 320. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    BiC, and the worst part is, the Rutherfords of the world not only DON’T CARE, they want it.

  • 321. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    I accidentally bumped into a conspiracy theory on YouTube so bizarre that it makes Poolman’s conspiracies look tame by comparison. I almost posted the video but it was so vile I decided against it. Suffice it to say, it involves the US government, pedophilia and remote control destruction of in flight planes.

    Hell if he’s up on his latest conspiracies, Poolman may already know what I’m talking about.

  • 322. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Sooner or later, it will affect him too.

    And then his fellow slaves will look over, rattle their chains, and say “Welcome, brother.”

  • 323. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Canada is ranked 12th in the world in life expectancy. Guess where the US is ranked. I’ll give you a hint, we are only 16 places below Malta.

    How can that be Thor? We’ve got the best health care system in the civilized world!!!

  • 324. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Poolman, I’m amazed Eric Fehrnstrom hasn’t been fired yet. He should have been sacked after the etch-a-sketch comment. He has terminal foot in mouth disease.

  • 325. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Every time I think I’ve heard it all, Tex throws out another whopper. So the low life expectancy in US is due to not enough white people. :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Every time today I start to well up over Andy dying, I’ll think of this Tex theory and laugh my ass off. Thanks buddy!

  • 326. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Sandi, what does “newt or no newt” mean exactly? Just curious.

    LOL Wrong again. First Newt was Thor. Now Newt is Sandi. Sorry, Newt is neither.

    Why is it so hard for you folks to accept that there are really quite a lot of liberals out there? And they are not in proportion to the small number that show up on this blog. :-)

  • 327. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    R, don’t make us answer the question about the confusion. The answer is not falttering. Next was going to be your friend Yellowbitch.

  • 328. Tex Taylor  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    How can that be Thor? We’ve got the best health care system in the civilized world!!!

    And yet I noticed that you, one who takes a sizable and disproportionate amount of healthcare in comparison to the average citizen and most certainly takes out more than he pays in, has chosen to remain right in our inferior American healthcare system. Why?

    Plus, we’ve got millions of illegal leftists, plus the parasitical stooges from your neck of the woods. Like I said – it’s why Wisconsin’s ACT scores are so high. Remove the leftist voting bloc of minorities and parasites – everything magically gets better immediately. The leftist voting bloc was primarily what was holding Wisconsin back as the last twelve months have proven.

    Actually, Conservative bitter clingers realize our health care system the best in the world. Go to any gated community where people have been forced to turn out the riff raff and scum of parasites and stooges, and you would find an incredibly healthy establishment.

    “R”, perhaps DR is angry with you because he so aptly recognizes the discontinuity of your message vs. your actions? Hmmm? Perhaps DR knows a pretentious pile of malodorous dung when he reads it?

    As Pfesser so accurately described from above, no matter how good the intent – when American gov’t gets involved, whatever it involves itself with gets worse. Something you fail to ever address.

  • 329. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Questions pending R. . .

  • 330. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    “flattering”

  • 331. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Nanny government was just written a blank check to interfere in the minutae of your life in ways that no one has yet conceived of.

    Goobledeegook. The general welfare clause has been around a long time and subject to varying interpretation throughout history. Consider this SCOTUS ruling a bump in the road boys. Everything goes in cycles.

    In fact, I don’t have the foggiest idea what you’re upset about. Obama’s gone in January right? This ruling has stirred the base and the Senate will go GOP right? What are you so worried about? You’re six months away from a new dawn. ;-)

  • 332. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    The general welfare clause in either the preamble or taxing and spending provisions are an independent grant of authority R.

    “Thomas Jefferson explained the latter general welfare clause for the United States: “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”

  • 333. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    R, yooo hoooo. . . questions pending . . . .

  • 334. Tex Taylor  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    So the low life expectancy in US is due to not enough white people. :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Once again you misinterpreted the clear truthfulness of why our longevity isn’t what it could be and should be here in our great country.

    It isn’t that there aren’t enough white people – I could have as easily thrown in Asians as substitute and been statistically still correct.

    It’s that there are too many black people. :twisted:

  • 335. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    I kinda think the “what can government do? What’s your limit?” question is sorta dumb honestly.

    Government CAN do whatever we let it do. We don’t live in a dictatorship. We still have elections … mostly honest ones. When the pendulum swings too far one way, we always send it swinging back the other way. It’s been true for over 200 years.

    When I look at this hysteria the only thing I can come up with is a major symbolic problem in the White House that has conservatives crapping their pants. Now hear me out before you jump down my throat.

    We have a black president. If you are a conservative, you don’t have to be a bigot to find that symbolic of the apex of the leftist wet dream. I think discussion of Obama’s race has been muddied by cries of racism. The more I think about this, the more I think it is not racism at all. It is a visceral reaction to seeing the symbol of leftist victory in your face every day when you turn on your TV.

    So no, I am not calling all of you racists or bigots. Really I’m not. I’m just saying that the face in the White House represents a world view that none of you counted on and it has shaken you and your fellow conservatives to your core. It’s the only explanation I can find for the totally off the grid reactions I read here every day.

    Tell me any other time in history that the Senate minority lead said within months of a President’s election, “My number one priority is to limit that man to one term.”

    Obama’s election was a game changer that a lot of very decent people didn’t imagine ever happening and they’re still shaken by it.

  • 336. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Kevlar vest now fastened. Fire away.

  • 337. Newt or no newt  |  July 3, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    “I don’t think anyone here has the slightest idea what they’re talking about regarding Canada. I’ve heard from Canadians and Brits who are quite happy with their health care.” So have I.
    ‘Health care’ is about preventing disease and the United States lags in that particular aspect of modern medicine, Affordable Healthcare is going to improve that situation in the next few years. All this drama…and the Emmy goes to….

  • 338. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Describe Romney’s role Rutherford.

    And since when do you care about the disposal of fetuses?

    Money is fungible. As long as Romney continued to profit from Bain’s investments he was party to Bain’s “morals”.

    Nice try Tigre …. my question was pointed at the resident Defender of Fetuses, Dead Rabbit. I wanna see just how far his pro-life advocacy (vociferously testified to in this blog) goes.

  • 339. thorsaurus  |  July 3, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    “Listing longevity statistics is too simplistic and fails to tell us why. One can provide any interpretation that suits his/her agenda.” – James

    James, I find my-canadian-friend-hates-his-healthcare anecdotes to be simplistic. I could see your point about biases if the ranking came from some socialist think tank in Lyon and we landed at say 9th. But this was from the CIA and we ranked 50th. FIFTIETH. That’s just stupid.

    Here is the CIA justification for the importance of the rating.

    “Life expectancy at birth is also a measure of overall quality of life in a country and summarizes the mortality at all ages. It can also be thought of as indicating the potential return on investment in human capital and is necessary for the calculation of various actuarial measures.”

  • 340. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    R, you never answered the questions. Really, really pathetic. Again “it doesn’t matter?” Come on man!

    As for Romney, you dodged that one too. Obama buys tens of thousands of dollars of goods from Staples, so he supports Bain too. http://www.myspace.com/intgd/splash.html

    You called it “amoral” capitalism. What’s “amoral” about something you condone? That was your term.

  • 341. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    I find my-canadian-friend-loves-his-healthcare anecdotes to be simplistic. Ask Newt about it.

  • 342. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    BTW, I know a Canadian doctor that has nothing but criticism for their system. In the words of R, “suck. on. it. bwahahahah.”

  • 343. thorsaurus  |  July 3, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    “I’m a sailor, so I was in Bremerton,” G

    Sorry, for some reason I thought you were Army. The Kitsap Peninsula rocks. Did you ever get up to Bangor? Hear there’s some real hush hush stuff up there. A wink and a nod will suffice. :)

  • 344. thorsaurus  |  July 3, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    “Fediathan” – BiC

    I like that. Is that yours?

    I guess the thinking is that you don’t have to have a car. Some people couldn’t drive if they wanted too. But at some point, everyone will use the healthcare system. Most of us start using it before we are born. So everyone should be required to pay for some of it.

  • 345. muffy  |  July 3, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Rutherford, you referred to Sandi weighing in a thread or two ago and the only new name I saw was Newt.

    So what does Newt or No Newt mean exactly?

  • 346. Tex Taylor  |  July 3, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    So no, I am not calling all of you racists or bigots. Really I’m not. I’m just saying that the face in the White House represents a world view that none of you counted on and it has shaken you and your fellow conservatives to your core. It’s the only explanation I can find for the totally off the grid reactions I read here every day.

    You may be right. I might have shuddered to the core. When I saw millions of lost souls bowing at the knee to this sham, I was aghast. You’re too misinformed, too ignorant to understand what was going through my mind at the moment. Almost apocalyptic.

    Styrofoam Greek columns, football stadiums, fawning sycophants incapable of caring for themselves, fainting and wetting their pants at the emptiest of moral platitudes and the idiocy of Yes We Can. I knew my country to the utter most of my being, my country was in grave and desperate trouble.

    I can’t even stand the sight of Obama – his phony smile makes me nauseous. I believe him to be not only a malignant narcissist, but a complete and utter fraud – like so many on the Left.

    I disdain Obama not because Obama is black. It is because he is evil and corrupt. Obama is a liar of to the nth degree. I believe Obama hates America and is desperately trying to recreate America in his own image.

    It’s because Obama is a hollow and self-righteous man of no measurable talent or worth, a flimflam completely incapable of running anything complex, much less act as world leader. It’s the millions of stupid people that can’t even bring themselves to admit what an abject failure this cretin has been as President. EPIC failure. The absolute bottom of depravity. The man who would be king; our post racial President. ** SPIT **

    Men like you Rutherford so personally vested in your religion of progressive politics, you’ll turn a complete blind eye to the same things you crucified George Bush for, when Obama has done it twice as bad by doubling down. I think all of you are utter hypocrites.

    One example. Obama, and it’s on video so there is no denying it, once said, “ADDING 4 TRILLION DOLLARS TO THE NATIONAL DEBT WAS “UNPATRIOTIC.” And it is.

    Obama then proceeded to add $5.1 trillion to the deficit in less than 36 months.

    And you shills can’t even admit how absolutely craven this one despicable act is – even worse, with absolutely nothing to show for it. And you really wonder why Rabbit is so angry?

    The Dimocratic party has become a party of division; a party of pandering racism; divide and conquer; self absorbed, self-serving, petulant thieves.

  • 347. nagic  |  July 3, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Rutherford, here is a start. Try not to be a bitch and duck this one as well.

  • 348. thorsaurus  |  July 3, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    “I find my-canadian-friend-loves-his-healthcare anecdotes to be simplistic. Ask Newt about it.” – ET

    Fair enough, maybe he/she/it will answer.

    BTW Newt, I think the reason these guys are so desperate to out you is because right now they only face me, Poolman and R. In their eyes, the three stooges. But, if indeed, you are a fourth middle-to- lefty on Radio Free Rutherford, we would become the Four Horsemen … a huge leap in credibility and terror. ;)

  • 349. thorsaurus  |  July 3, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    R, was this the answer to one of your essay questions? Just a guess. ;)

    “We have a black president. If you are a conservative, you don’t have to be a bigot to find that symbolic of the apex of the leftist wet dream. I think discussion of Obama’s race has been muddied by cries of racism. The more I think about this, the more I think it is not racism at all. It is a visceral reaction to seeing the symbol of leftist victory in your face every day when you turn on your TV.” – R

  • 350. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 3, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    So everyone should be required to pay for some of it.

    Even if I accepted the proposition, which I don’t, the facts don’t back you on this, as we already know not “everyone” WILL be paying for it. Wealth will be redistributed yet again, as some people will not have to pay the costs, and willinstead get tax credits or some other mechanism by which this great boon won’t be costing them a thing.

  • 351. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 3, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    We have a black president.

    Which matters far more to the people screaming about any and all opposition being racist than it does to the rest of us.

    Besides, Billy Jeff of the Bent -Dick was our first “black president”, remember?

  • 352. nagic  |  July 3, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Timeline Dec 2011
    The median wait time is 19 weeks between the referral from a general practitioner and the start of elective treatment, finds the report, released by the Fraser Institute Monday.

    At 104 per cent longer than it was in 1993, this is the longest total wait time recorded since the Fraser Institute began measuring wait times in Canada.

    Wait times for a referral to a specialist rose to 9.5 weeks in 2011 from 8.9 weeks in 2010. And the wait time between a visit to a specialist and actual medical treatment increased to 9.5 weeks from 9.3 weeks.

    Though Ontario has the shortest total wait time for surgery among the provinces, with an average wait of 14.3 weeks between a visit to a GP and the receipt of treatment, that’s up from 14 weeks in 2010.

    Conversely, Prince Edward Island had the longest total wait time at 43.9 weeks.

    “Canadians are being forced to wait almost 4 ½ months, on average, to receive surgical care, prolonging the pain and suffering patients and their families are forced to endure,” said Mark Rovere, a co-author of the report. “Despite significant increases in government health spending, Canadians are still waiting too long to access medically necessary treatment,” Rovere said.

  • 353. nagic  |  July 3, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    In 1995-96 when their system came online, Canada spent $17.6 billion. In 2009-2010, Canada spent $42.6 billion on health care. Of Canada’s total expenditure on all programs, 43% goes to health care, 20% Other, 14% to education, 13% Children’s and Social Services, 7% Post-secondary Ed and Training, 4% Justice.

  • 354. muffy  |  July 3, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Rutherford, all through this thread and including the article itself it’s like you’re trying to peer into the hearts of conservatives and understand why they are upset. You’re own reactions are off the grid (“suck on it! bwahahaha”)and yet you’re trying so earnestly to get at the mindset of your conservative readers and put your finger on why there is a heightened charge to their dislike for this administration.

    It’s no big mystery. Either you understand the grievances and are playing at being mystified, or you don’t understand and that in itself is telling that you probably never will. At least try and leave it at the fact that objecting vociferously to perceived injustices isn’t just for liberals. You understand rioting, yet this whole huge “fuck you” to half the country eludes your comprehension.

    Just like your little dance over the dead fetuses eludes mine.

    ~

    Noah, it’s one thing to lose your temper but there’s something over the top disturbing about you calling Rutherford a bitch repeatedly. Maybe it’s because I find the word genuinely misogynistic. Could you possibly find another word?

  • 355. muffy  |  July 3, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Looks boys (thor and R), I missed where someone tried to out Newt as thor. It was an honest mistake that I thought Newt was Sandi.

    You guys are so weird.

  • 356. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Out Newt? Huh?

    There’s a quality to the comments that has us associating.

    Again, it’s not flattering.

  • 357. nagic  |  July 3, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    I also do not care who or what Newt is. thor just needs to paint us in a bad light so he imagined another problem.

  • 358. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Muffy @354, bulls-eye.

  • 359. poolman  |  July 3, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Rutherford @ 321, I’m familiar with the ones you came across. The technology has been around for some time to take aircraft out of the sky without what we consider conventional means. Sound wave technology is probably the most well-documented.

    As for pedophilia among the elite, that has been prevalent and kept under wraps for centuries. There are some well-documented accounts of the network, and it is huge. It happens under our noses in virtually every major society. Governments are rife with it. The research I have done regarding that sickens me. If ever I could not control an urge to kill, it would probably be due to that. It is a taboo topic for the media, among others.

    I haven’t scratched the surface with stuff I’ve posted here of what lies out there. I mainly post those with the best evidence that anyone with a desire to know truth about can readily research.

    But it takes an open mind to get past preconceived notions. That is the rarest thing to find.

  • 360. Newt or no newt  |  July 3, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Muffy, I attach no meaning to the name. If I did, I would probably go with I can take or leave Newt G. Thor, thanks for the invite to sit at your table for lunch, not easy being the new kid.

  • 361. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 3, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Thor, thanks for the invite to sit at your table for lunch, not easy being the new kid.

    Just keep in mind, if he can’t take anything off of our plates for fear of being stabbed with a fork, it will be you subsedizing his fine dining.

  • 362. muffy  |  July 3, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    @#360. Gotchya. It seemed more like a statement than a moniker, is why I asked. Anyway, nice to meet you.

  • 363. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Damn BiC. That sounded a bit like Thomas Paine.

  • 364. poolman  |  July 3, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    I thought it was pot luck.

  • 365. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    “I kinda think the “what can government do? What’s your limit?” question is sorta dumb honestly.”

    You handled that even worse than Verilli.

    The answer, I assume, is “none.”

    You are true constitutionalist. :roll:

  • 366. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 3, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Which comment, ET?

  • 367. poolman  |  July 3, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Ahhhh…Thomas Paine. That reminds me…

    “The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.”

  • 368. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    BiC, #361.

  • 369. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Poolman, what is it with all the damn Youtube posts? Just say it.

  • 370. poolman  |  July 3, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    I don’t know which ones are the damn ones. Nothing could be as bad as mayonnaise. Just sayin…

  • 371. nagic  |  July 3, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    How much does the President’s health care law cost? $1,760,000,000,000.00 according to CBO. How will we pay for it?
    With 21 new taxes that hit you square in the medicine cabinet. With the economy in recession, can we really afford this?

  • 372. thorsaurus  |  July 3, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    The Youtube that Poolman missed, the original insect drone.

  • 373. El Tigre  |  July 3, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    “I don’t know which ones are the damn ones. Nothing could be as bad as mayonnaise. Just sayin…”

    Being judicious is why it still sticks.

    Mayonnaise is exactly how I see libs celebrating their so-called “victory.”

    Now you do too.

  • 374. thorsaurus  |  July 3, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    Sorry Muffy. I don’t think you or anyone else is trying to “out” anyone. I was just making a joke about the others’ guessing.

    Where have you been anyway. Travel somewhere awesome?

  • 375. thorsaurus  |  July 3, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    I also do not care who or what Newt is. thor just needs to paint us in a bad light so he imagined another problem. – Nagic

    What problem was I imagining?

  • 376. Tex Taylor  |  July 3, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    I was teasing when I was ‘outing’ Newt.

    Frankly, all these leftists read and sound the same to me – the Journolists of blogging. Same outrageous lies, identical bogus stats, same Bat Channel. Some simply construct better than others.

    And I thought Newt was right there with Densico in constructing. :twisted: That will only be meaningful to the old timers.

  • 377. nagic  |  July 3, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    sorry ill drop i down a grade level or 3…as pertaining to your claim of others trying to out Newt. I perceive “outing” someone as a negative.

  • 378. thorsaurus  |  July 3, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    “Just keep in mind, if he can’t take anything off of our plates for fear of being stabbed with a fork, it will be you subsedizing his fine dining.” BiC

    My plates are embarrassingly abundant, and you are welcome to share them anytime you hop over the mountain, BiC. Perhaps we will talk about Banff and Jasper and Yoho National and leave the politics for some other day.

    This isn’t mine but I’ve forgotten who I heard it from.

    A corporatist, a tea party member and an OWS member are sitting together at a party when the host brings a plate of two dozen cookies. While OWS and Tea Party are arguing, the corporatist grabs twenty three of the cookies, shoving them in his mouth, his pockets and every other orifice he can hide them in. He then nudges the Tea Party member and points at the remaining treat. “Hey, you better watch out,” he warns, through a mush of crumbs and spittle. “The communist is eyeing your cookie.” :)

  • 379. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 3, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    My plates are embarrassingly abundant,

    Why does obvious success embarrass you?

    anytime you hop over the mountain

    You’re in eastern Washington? Why did I have the impression that you lived in Seattle.

  • 380. Newt or no newt  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    Thanks Muffy, nice to meet you too. Poolman, I think I’ll avoid dishes with mayonnaise, you and Thor might want to too. I think I’ll enjoy some of the arugula salad.

  • 381. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    R, don’t make us answer the question about the confusion. The answer is not falttering. Next was going to be your friend Yellowbitch.

    Cryptic. Why would the answer not be flattering? And why would there be an answer, I don’t recall asking a question. As for YellowDawg, I’m not throwing him under the bus or anything but he’s hardly my “friend”. Honestly, I always considered him a bit of a liberal Elric.

  • 382. nagic  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/sen-whitehouse-d-ri-i-dont-know-a-single-small-business-that-will-be-affected-by-tax-rates/

    Proof Leftists are totally detached from reality. This guy just before the Senator speaks really believes that we do not have a spending issue, but a revenue issue in this country. Why is it then if we tax all people who make over 100k a year at 100% that we still cannot pay for the Messiah’s budget?

  • 383. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    when American gov’t gets involved, whatever it involves itself with gets worse.

    Does that include Republican administrations?

    I must admit I am puzzled …. all these patriots gathered here swearing America the best nation in the world, yet seeming to believe we have one of the most incompetent governments in the world.

    That’s a head scratcher.

  • 384. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    It’s that there are too many black people. :twisted:

    Touche. That was a keeper. :lol:

  • 385. nagic  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    when American gov’t gets involved, whatever it involves itself with gets worse.

    Does that include Republican administrations?

    …really? Do we have a Democrat government…and a Republican government? Ohh wait I get it, as the man who lives by the double standard you projected yourself onto him…sorry.

    I must admit I am puzzled …. all these patriots gathered here swearing America the best nation in the world, yet seeming to believe we have one of the most incompetent governments in the world.

    Remember the $20,000 hammers? …How well has Social Security been managed? But lets move on to something more ..today….how about this…

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/another-solyndra-house-investigates-400-million-loan-to-bankrupt-solar-company/

  • 386. Tex Taylor  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    Does that include Republican administrations?

    It most certainly does.

    Hence, the only excellent President in my lifetime once said this:

    “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.'”

    Rutherford, perhaps your second most foolish notion is that you believe America is the government. I would remind you and something you desperately need to learn is…

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,

  • 387. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    I can’t even stand the sight of Obama …

    So basically he embodies the apex of everything you hate about the left? My only suggestion is that his blackness is a subliminal reminder to you of his leftness that eats at your core. In your world view, which party would put a man in office, undeserving, possibly because he’s black? Republicans? I think not.

    You loath Michelle Obama. A subliminal reminder of Angela Davis? Which was it, New York Magazine, which depicted the two of them as a Muslim and a black radical on the cover? I think they were onto something. A Rorschach test of sorts.

  • 388. nagic  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Hey Brother Rutherford….this man can speak it …cant he? Quite the Leftist hero.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/farrakhan-delights-youre-living-now-in-the-fall-of-the-united-states-and-their-imperial-designs/

    I bet you agree with this guy Rutherford.

  • 389. Alfie  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    @Rutherford. Yeah not for nothing but the false mountain out of a false anthill is really pissing me off.
    First off venture capitalists are not always controllers of the entities they buy into.
    Second, Stericycle does a lot more than dispose of fetuses,womb tissue etc. They rode the wave of government regulation seeing a need,filling it and prospering from it.
    Third Romney truly departed when he did. His fingerprints as it were remained for a number of logical reasons. Reading anything else into it is gross intellectual negligence.
    Romney is one of a handful of folks who hit the venture capital game at the absolute best time. He is one of a handful of folks who have long term contracts that far exceed the present industry standard. A lazy leftist douchebag pseudo-journalist could rattle off up to 17 deals that still pay Mitt “Bain Money”. Still doesn’t mean he is the guy calling the shots.
    As for Eric Firestorm he goes way back with Romney and speaks from a comfort perspective that doesn’t fit well in the presidential vetting process,especially as Romney is the candidate with the (R) after his name.
    Romney much to the horror of conservatives has a long history of supporting mandates and the myriad of items under that umbrella in healthcare and other regulatory settings.
    Sucks in a sound bite but rings true given his position on states.

  • 390. Tex Taylor  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    So basically he embodies the apex of everything you hate about the left? My only suggestion is that his blackness is a subliminal reminder to you of his leftness that eats at your core. In your world view, which party would put a man in office, undeserving, possibly because he’s black? Republicans? I think not.

    Hussein does embody everything I hate about the Left. You got that right. His smarmy arrogance, his gross incompetence, his shallowness, his lackeys, his deceit and thuggish nature, his shitty wife. You got all that right. There’s not a thing I like about the fraud.

    But I’m not sure color has much to do with it. I don’t see a black man. I see an asshole that desperately needs to be knocked off his perch. :neutral:

  • 391. Alfie  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Rutherford not for nothing but I welcome all the lefties you can get to come to the table. The more the merrier. It will be one sure way to see how honest they are. Perhaps in greater numbers the left end will show some diversity. I have a guess of at least one of you isn’t that far from the center all things considered.

  • 392. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Noah, Noah, Noah.

    Let’s get this out of the way first. It has been documented people who watch Fox news know LESS about the news factually than any other viewers. But since you get upset when I attack the messenger, let’s buy the Fox story hook line and sinker.

    Since when is ACA modeled after Canada? ACA is modeled after … drum roll please … MASSACHUSETTS. ACA is not socialism. ACA is the biggest shot in the arm the insurance industry could ever hope for. ACA allows pharma to continue to run amok. So, I could completely buy this Canadian worst case scenario and still say “so what?”

    And Noah, what is thing about you calling other guys bitches? Do you have a confessional letter to write to Andrew Sullivan that we should know about?

  • 393. Alfie  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    @383 don’t scratch to hard you’ll hurt yourself. The answer for me is YES!
    Smaller,focused and purposeful is the best scenario for government.
    on another note
    I like the Post Office and libraries too but neither needs to be the way they are. I’d add the public schools to that as well. Those are three examples of government living and breathing in the 19th-20th Century and actually being shocked that they suck in 2012.

  • 394. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    we would become the Four Horsemen

    Be afraid, be very afraid! :lol:

  • 395. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    LOL … no Thor that wasn’t my essay question answer. But I did write about my perspective of the different sociological views of liberals and conservatives vis-a-vis the model presented by C. Wright Mills. ;-)

  • 396. Alfie  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    @ 392 Rutherford take a deep breathe,pull the FoL’s out the crack and chill.
    It isn’t nuance to deny ACA is fully modeled upon MA. Although a far cry from Canada when you say ACA you include EVERYTHING in it. the nannyish and government engorgement are far from libertarian/free market capitalism. On the pure health care pages alone the Medicaid expansion is more akin to Canada than what you rest your laurels upon.
    I’ll apologize for busting your balls on your generalizations but some things really need to accept specifics.

  • 397. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Which matters far more to the people screaming about any and all opposition being racist than it does to the rest of us.

    I took great care not to call it racist. I called it a visceral political reaction. That’s not the terminology used by the average race baiter.

  • 398. Alfie  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    we would become the Four Horsemen
    And unfortunately for the right siders we would have to clean up the shit. Same as always. :)

  • 399. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    Muffy, somewhere in the thread (maybe the last one) I confessed to the immaturity of my “suck on it”. It was a reaction to the arrogant getting their comeuppance.

    My wife HATES the word bitch. I am occasionally guilty of using it as a verb. As for Noah, I’ve asked him a very pointed question about his use of the term. ;-)

  • 400. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    Rutherford @ 321, I’m familiar with the ones you came across.

    Why am I not surprised? It’s not for nothin’ that you’re my favorite conspiracy theorist. :-)

  • 401. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Newt … you could TAKE or LEAVE Newt Gingrich? I think that’s pretty damn charitable. :-)

  • 402. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Thor I love the 24 cookie joke! Classic.

  • 403. Rutherford  |  July 3, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    As for Eric Firestorm he goes way back with Romney and speaks from a comfort perspective that doesn’t fit well in the presidential vetting process,especially as Romney is the candidate with the (R) after his name.

    Is that your justification for Eric not being canned?

  • 404. Alfie  |  July 3, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    @403 I don’t know if I’d classify it as “justification”. I think a mix of loyalty,and reality make whacking him a sticky thing.
    As for life expectancy…..OMFG 3.01 years difference!!! It must be because of the healthcare. It just MUST BE!!!!!!
    On the other hand it could be due to diet,lifestyle,roadways,and diversity of population,crime rates ….

  • 405. dead rabbit  |  July 3, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    I will give one thing R, the GOP is mostly a bunch of hypocrite fuck faces. So, you got me there.

    http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/17159

  • 406. Newt or no newt  |  July 3, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    R. #401, Newt likes animals, I like animals.

  • 407. poolman  |  July 3, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Well if I post another damn video, Steely Dan might just rise again.

    I DO like mayonnaise. I buy the Best Foods Canola. Mmm-muhm-mmma-uhmmm-uhm good! :smile:

    Boy Alfie, does your mouth get tired of carrying all that romneycock? I would think you knew he apparently signed the SEC docs. I have it on good authority. Doesn’t look good for his PR team. This is really gonna get rabbit worked up.

    Speaking of rabbit, I have the perfect diversion, seeing as my Simpsons prophecies got him razzing me from the moment I got here. This should really smack him. :cool:

  • 408. thorsaurus  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    “R. #401, Newt likes animals, I like animals.” Newt

    I think a newt IS an animal. Some kind of slimy salamander thing. ;)

  • 409. thorsaurus  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    “And unfortunately for the right siders we would have to clean up the shit.” – A

    You could always put bags on our butts, like they do for the handsome cabs. :)

    I agree with you Alfie. I think the fetus thing is a stretch. My issue with Romney touting Bain is that I don’t think it has much to do with job creation. I think he would be better off explaining what he did as Gov. of Mass. but he probably feels that it’s too tainted by Romneycare.

  • 410. dead rabbit  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    Poolman and Rutherford, the fact that you find it to be such a titillating “gotcha” to me personally that you may have info on B.C. investing in a company the discards fetuses shows how far a part we are as people. Unlike you two followers, I don’t passionately fall for demigod bull shiters. No arm band on the rabbit. You too little girls screamed like you were at Beatle concerts for Obama. When I vote for a motherfucker I always hate him the least. So, if this thing turns out to be true, yeah it sucks to be me. One guy might have cashed in on abortion while the other guy wants to ensure millions more are performed. I don’t invest myself emotionally in politicians. I want to knock all of their hair helmets off. In fact the only reason I have a political take is I long for a government that creates as much space from my life amd those weirdos.

  • 411. Newt or no newt  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    I am bothered by Mitt’s lying and his non answers.

  • 412. dead rabbit  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    Man my spelling sucks. This droid phome is awesome except for one thing. The touch scree typing. It takes up half the screen

  • 413. Tex Taylor  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    Let’s get this out of the way first. It has been documented people who watch Fox news know LESS about the news factually than any other viewers.

    Complete leftist bullshit – like those so called “fact checkers” you use. Reason #4,100,231 I find virtually all liberals liars.

  • 414. nagic  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    Let’s get this out of the way first. It has been documented people who watch Fox news know LESS about the news factually than any other viewers.

    One of the most absurd things I have heard from you to date, and that my friend is a long list to top. #1 Explain to me the methodology that shows how what TV station you watch affects knowledge. Show me how they quantified that information, and scientifically validated that study. If not admit spreading propaganda and apologize. #2 Did you know it is possible to watch Fox (Note I did not watch it..I googled this story) and still go on to watch other stations? Not everyone is as one dimensional as you are.

    And Noah, what is thing about you calling other guys bitches? Do you have a confessional letter to write to Andrew Sullivan that we should know about?

    Well first off I am not calling other guys bitches, my man, I am calling you a bitch. You, my bruthah, are the unemployed stereotype version of Fat Granies. They hold down the Depends undergarment side, you hold down the colt 45. I hope that clears up any possible misunderstandings you may have had there trick. That pointed enough for you?

    Nothing gets my goat quite like your kind. By that I mean the purest form the the double standard. You expect facts and documentation from preapproved (by you) sources and the precise word you think fits for anything that is said, but for you? For YOU…you get to say what you “feel” and expect it to be given equal consideration. Whenever ANYTHING is brought up that blows your ass out of the water, then its “oh I just cant take him seriously, or oh its from fox so I can ignore that,” or a host of other excuses. Sorry pal, I am not giving you the affirmative action pass here.

    What I have listed about you is fact, I have post after post after post to back it up. If you want me to be more like you, and you really want to add some color to these pages, ask me to instead tell you how I feel about you, and I will joyfully indulge you.

    Show me how Trump’s statement is a lie, or admit you were wrong.

    Show how my information I linked on Canada is wrong Show me that nothing of what I showed is accurate, or admit you are wrong.

    This isn’t rocket science. Both of us cannot be right. I linked my facts. You did not. I gave proof, you gave feelings. You gave a hunch. Do better if you can, either do or don’t, but dont bother to tell us why if you cant.

  • 415. poolman  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    Exactly neutral on newt. The lying and lack of morals really says it all.

    Rabbit takes it like a jab in the jaw from Rutherford and the poolman. But how many times has rabbit berated anyone that claims merely to be pro-choice? This is profiting from discarding discarded fetuses. It goes a few steps further into the mire, and the denial is what takes the cake.

    This underwear bummer cannot represent the Almighty US of A. The GOP is really looking grim.

    Short of another major catastrophe, Goldman Sachs will loose the farm.

  • 416. Tex Taylor  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    I am bothered by Mitt’s lying and his non answers.

    Yet you turn a complete blind left eye to Obama’s daily assortment of bald faced lies – outrageous lies, like that bullshit Wisconsin unions were outspent 10-1 yesterday.

    Newt, you read the same disingenuous bullshit I’ve come to expect from helpless, dependent statists of the Obama cult.

  • 417. poolman  |  July 3, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    *lose*

  • 418. Tex Taylor  |  July 4, 2012 at 12:00 am

    Oh, shut up Toolman. You’re a helpless, flaccid, cocksucking leftist and your bullshit about being a former Conservative in nauseatingly malodorous. A flunky union stooge. You’re such a transparent lying freeloader, you refract light.

    Not only are you stupid and a whack job, you’re as phony as a three dollar bill.

  • 419. poolman  |  July 4, 2012 at 12:00 am

    What about you, Tex. What do you think about your guy profiting from the disposal of aborted fetuses? Does that cause any pause?

  • 420. poolman  |  July 4, 2012 at 12:01 am

    Attack the messenger. You do know that move well.

  • 421. Tex Taylor  |  July 4, 2012 at 12:09 am

    I find it mildly humorous that Rutherford is in here daily quoting leftist rags about how uninformed we are for watching FOX, when his knowledge of science and religion wouldn’t qualify for grade school in my part of town. But that’s okay – the ace in the hole, Chaz Maddow, is equally as clueless and ill informed. Goes with the territory, I suppose.

    And Rutherford is one of the more intelligent leftists.

    Can you imagine the audacity it takes to brag about the superiority of progressive politics and breadth of knowledge with Detroit, L.A. and New Orleans your strongholds? :lol: And Rutherford’s own backyard and Bammy’s home is truly a war zone in line with Beirut. I get a tingle up my leg reading about the weekend kill rate.

    Barnyard animals are more capable of caring for themselves.

  • 422. thorsaurus  |  July 4, 2012 at 12:11 am

    “Why does obvious success embarrass you?” – BiC

    Good question. It’s a feeling and I’m a guy, so you can tell how well this is going to go, but, … somehow I feel undeserving, I guess.

    “You’re in eastern Washington? Why did I have the impression that you lived in Seattle.” – BiC

    I grew up there and still visit family there quite often. Now I live in “survivalist central”. About 80 miles southwest of Ruby Ridge.

  • 423. Tex Taylor  |  July 4, 2012 at 12:12 am

    What about you, Tex. What do you think about your guy profiting from the disposal of aborted fetuses? Does that cause any pause?

    Not a damn bit because I consider the source of the information – you. A vile, lying, American hating rank propagandist worthy of a rope attached to his balls like you tells me just the opposite is true.

  • 424. El Tigre  |  July 4, 2012 at 12:12 am

    “I took great care not to call it racist. I called it a visceral political reaction.”

    I had a visceral reaction to Kerry and Hillary too. Is that a negative Thurston Howell and gender association? :roll:

    You need a swim in lake “you.” It is obvious that what you claim to surmise of the right is more reflective of your feelings than some kind of studious observation.

  • 425. El Tigre  |  July 4, 2012 at 12:17 am

    “Why is it so hard for you folks to accept that there are really quite a lot of liberals out there?”

    “Cryptic. Why would the answer not be flattering? And why would there be an answer, I don’t recall asking a question.”
    :roll:

  • 426. poolman  |  July 4, 2012 at 12:17 am

    Yeah, I’m the source alright. You tell ‘em, Old Major.

  • 427. El Tigre  |  July 4, 2012 at 12:29 am

    I love the irony of R’s and Poolman’s Romney-guilt-by-association when it comes to Bain while defending Obama’s background. Sheesh.

  • 428. poolman  |  July 4, 2012 at 12:46 am

    Love is a many splendored thing, Tigre. The only derogatory I knew about Obama before voting for him was he had many unpaid parking tickets that he didn’t feel the need to pay until they became a campaign issue. I really did take pause with that, but chalked it up to snobbery.

    Since Obama ended up lying about SO many things and broke SO many promises and actually ramped up the military aggression, I have made it a point to learn much more than the media lets us in on.

    This is NOT 2008. I try not to make the same mistake twice. I have admitted my failings. But here we are, BEFORE an election with different cards being dealt. I’ve been counting, and have a good inkling on the face value of what lies on the table.

    You are gravely mistaken if you think I am stumping for Obama or forgiving his deceptions.

  • 429. poolman  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:00 am

    Oh, and while we’re defending ‘backgrounds’, did you vote for McCain/Palin? I think Alfie claimed he wrote in Romney. But what about you, Tigre? How did your vote go down?

    Inquiring minds what to know.

  • 430. El Tigre  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:00 am

    Poolman, you’re full of shit. You LOVE Obama.

  • 431. El Tigre  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:02 am

    Whose background am I defending?

  • 432. El Tigre  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:02 am

    Poolman you’ll vote for Obama again.

  • 433. El Tigre  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:04 am

    What was McCain’s background? Tortured POW?

  • 434. El Tigre  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:06 am

    I do remember made up stories that he was cheating on his wife. The press devoured it, then hid. Not a peep about Edwards.

  • 435. poolman  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:07 am

    I LOVE Obama? Oh yeah. In a Christian sort-of-way, I guess it’s true. But as a president, he has sucked. I can’t stand the direction we’re going or the path we’ve traveled. I have made that clear. You don’t pay very good attention.

    Defend your own background. But first, state it.

  • 436. poolman  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:09 am

    Poolman you’ll vote for Obama again.

    Nope. Ron Paul. I don’t care if I have to pull an Alfie and write him in. You really don’t retain much, do you?

  • 437. poolman  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:12 am

    I do remember made up stories that he was cheating on his wife. The press devoured it, then hid. Not a peep about Edwards.

    They were saving the Edwards saga for the big screen. Much more dramatic compared to mundane McCain.

  • 438. Tex Taylor  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:17 am

    Parking tickets with the Rev. Wright and his anti-American screed in tow, hey Poolman? But then in your book, that’s a big positive I suppose. Father Michael Pfleger Poolman. :roll:

    Or how about Obama’s past affiliations with Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn? That just skip by your huge radar, Tool? Light bulb not come on?

    Or I guess it was easy, you picketing the abortion mills and all, to just look past Obama’s proclivity for Born Alive abortion, hey Tool?

    For someone so positively informed, Tool – you sure seem to have a selective memory and a lot of holes in that profound knowledge base of yours.

    Counterfeit Christianity comes to mind when I think of you and Thor. But it does make it convenient to bend, if it serves you personally.

  • 439. Tex Taylor  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:26 am

    Hey Brother “R”…

    Got a question I’ve been meaning to ask you and only a black leftist qualified to answer this for us.

    There’s now about 20 Dims who have announced they’re skipping the Dim Convention. All of them are white or “White” Hispanic :roll: to the best of my knowledge.

    Are they racists too?

  • 440. poolman  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:30 am

    Another McCain/Palin voter. :roll: Sheesh. Sore loser. You guys can’t even admit being on the losing team.

    Actually Tex, you have probably never listened to Reverend Wright’s sermons, since you always quote him out of context. Too bad. Too bad Obama distanced himself from him, but political reasoning is often one of compromising principles.

  • 441. poolman  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:35 am

    Sorry about the tail. Must be the Dane in me. :grin:

  • 442. thorsaurus  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:39 am

    Probably won’t be around for a few days. Happy Fourth of July all you patriots.

    Happy Birthday America.

  • 443. Rutherford  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:41 am

    I will give one thing R, the GOP is mostly a bunch of hypocrite fuck faces. So, you got me there.

    Not to rub it in Rabbit, but the Who really had it right when they sang “meet the new boss, same as the old boss”. If we really want change, we need a game changer. Romney ain’t it. And I admit there is no reason to expect a miracle from Obama second term. The only place I differ with you guys is that his reelection will not spell DISASTER. It will simply mean more snail pace growth.

    You know why we won’t get a game changer? Because humans fear change. We resist it with every fiber of our body. We like the familiar. And if the unfamiliar involves sacrifice, forget it.

    There are days when I think America is subject to natural entropy. Everything dies and maybe the country is going through its death throes as we speak.

    OR

    Maybe as I said earlier, things are just cyclical and the pendulum will swing back and happy days will be here again.

  • 444. Rutherford  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:44 am

    Newt, I forgot old Gingrich liked zoos. OK fair enough .. I guess we can find something in common with just about anyone if we look hard enough. :-)

  • 445. Rutherford  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:53 am

    I think he would be better off explaining what he did as Gov. of Mass. but he probably feels that it’s too tainted by Romneycare.

    To be clear, I’m really just razzing Rabbit about the fetus disposal stuff. I don’t think that has any legs as a campaign issue even if Romney had some clear decision making role in the investment (which apparently he didn’t).

    The reason he doesn’t tout his time in MA is very simply he wasn’t the best Governor in the world. I’m pretty sure he left the state with a piss poor employment record and a deficit. In this business-skeptical environment Bain is a risky bragging item for him and most folks won’t consider the Olympics of sufficient gravity for him to hang his hat on that.

    Romney’s only hope is to discredit Obama which has been his primary strategy, If Obamacare is as unpopular as folks say, then his new slogan really should be what he said in his statement last Thursday “The only way to get rid of Obamacare is to get rid of Obama.”

  • 446. Rutherford  |  July 4, 2012 at 2:01 am

    I am bothered by Mitt’s lying and his non answers.

    Now Newt, do you mean flip-flopping or outright lying? Remember the flip flopping COULD fall under the category of “I changed my mind”. :-)

  • 447. Tex Taylor  |  July 4, 2012 at 2:09 am

    Actually Tex, you have probably never listened to Reverend Wright’s sermons, since you always quote him out of context

    Yeah, especially the part about whitey introducing AIDS into the black community.

    But then, I forget who it is that is rationalizing all this – the world’s smallest useful idiot.

  • 448. Rutherford  |  July 4, 2012 at 2:14 am

    Noah, since I suggested you might be gay (not that there’s anything wrong with that), I’ll let the unemployment and affirmative action remarks pass …. fair is fair. But just a word of advice: the only guys I’ve ever heard call other guys a bitch were as gay as the day is long. If that profile is one you’d prefer to avoid, I’d change name-calling tactics. “Lying rat bastard” might be a good start. :-)

    The comment about Fox viewers is probably propaganda and no I don’t apologize. But I do need to look up the stat to see how it was arrived at.

    I’ve already addressed the Trump statement. It was snarky and much of it true but ultimately unproductive. Doesn’t move the ball forward, especially for someone who claimed he wanted to be POTUS … but we both know that was a scam, now don’t we?

    I also addressed Canada. ACA ain’t Canada. It’s Massachusetts. Now go tell me how lousy health care is in Massachusetts. :-)

  • 449. Rutherford  |  July 4, 2012 at 2:19 am

    Tex as you dis New Orleans and Detroit may I remind you they reside in states with Republican Governors. Lots of good that is doing them.

  • 450. Rutherford  |  July 4, 2012 at 2:23 am

    Is that a negative Thurston Howell and gender association?

    How can anyone resist a Gilligan’s Island reference?

    Tigre, all I can say regarding the visceral reaction I referred to is your mileage may vary.

  • 451. Rutherford  |  July 4, 2012 at 2:24 am

    I love the irony of R’s and Poolman’s Romney-guilt-by-association when it comes to Bain while defending Obama’s background.

    LOL, that is a kick, ain’t it?

  • 452. Rutherford  |  July 4, 2012 at 2:30 am

    There’s now about 20 Dims who have announced they’re skipping the Dim Convention.

    Well one of them, Claire McCaskel has already said this is a mountain out of a molehill. She never goes to the conventions considering her time better spent in her district.

    I can’t speak for the other 19 but it ain’t rocket science to guess that some blue dogs think avoiding obvious support of Obama somehow covers their ass.

  • 453. Rutherford  |  July 4, 2012 at 2:36 am

    My wife works primarily with Europeans and the lady who shares project management duties with her is British and wished her a Happy 4th of July. My wife thought to herself “ehhhh don’t you know we told you to f*ck off on the 4th of July?” Of course, my wife just said “thank you.” :lol:

    On that note, a Happy 4th to everyone here. Be safe.

    And yes, despite the need for constant improvement, I do believe this country is the best one going. I wouldn’t live anywhere else and I’m damn grateful the luck of the draw had me born here.

  • 454. El Tigre  |  July 4, 2012 at 7:15 am

    “In this business-skeptical environment Bain is a risky bragging item for him and most folks won’t consider the Olympics of sufficient gravity for him to hang his hat on that.”

    He’s already touted it. You just spend your time sucked into the MSNBC propaganda machine in how you choose to view it. You’re mighty consistent that way.

  • 455. El Tigre  |  July 4, 2012 at 7:34 am

    You know R, it’s odd to me that you recognize Obama isn’t going to accomplish shit, and sometimes you even recognize what divisive, arrogant fuck fuck he is. Then you say, “but Romney” isn’t the right guy — he’s worse.”

    Yet all of your arguments amount to is Romney’s not really a republican.

    Never a defense of Obama. Speaking of avoidance, you hear Obama talking about his record?

    Romney is focused on the anti-Obama message becuase it’s his best and most effective argument.

    Obama is focused on anti-Romney becuase he’s got nothing to run on.

    Let’s see Obama hold out his kick-ass, signature health care plan as part of his campaign strategy. He’d love to move past that. . . and his big “victory” with the Supremes.

  • 456. El Tigre  |  July 4, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Poolman, you think you got me? I didn’t vote for Obama like you did?

    I’ll wager you won’t get off you fat ass to go write in Ron Paul. And if you did go to the polls you’d pull the lever for Obama. You’ve got no center.

  • 457. James  |  July 4, 2012 at 9:30 am

    235

    Rutherford, Obama is not a “black” president. He is a mulato who is half white. Some caucasians in countries like India have blacker skin than Obama.

    Speaking only for myself, Obama’s skin color is irrelevant. He represents a change, not because of his pigment, but because he is a socialist.

    thor, maybe I didn’t look closely enough. All I saw were numbers. Did I miss an interpretation? Statistics by themselves are just numbers I’m sure they are true, but by themselves, they are like Bible verses open to enterpretation.

    I assume you posted the numbers to prove that we need Obamacare, and you failed. Its true one Canadian experience doesn’t prove much, though it supports my view and damages yours. Alberta discussed adding a private sector to the national health service , and that is more than an anecdote.

    A discussion in Parliament about the British system also supports my opinion and hurts yours . I watched it on our daughter and son-in law’s cable station two years ago. Again, those are points for my side, though by themselves the don’t prove my opinion.

    Re read 282 and debate the BBC News Service’s interpretation of the figures. Then you might show us something besides a group of numbers.

  • 458. PFesser  |  July 4, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Happy Fourth to those on the Fruited Plain. Let’s all try to remember the America that was, and keep alive the hope and possibility that it could be great again some day. The cleaning-out process will not be short – or easy – and the vermin will howl at the tops of their lungs as they are carted out.

    But enough about D.C.. We enjoyed the best Fourth ever. My two sons are here, relaxed and enjoying each other’s company. Two daughters and three of their friends as well. One granddaughter, two years old and the apple of my eye. Marvelous fireworks last night at the airport, enjoyed from the vista of my hangar, after cooking a barbeque supper that couldn’t be beat, with numerous friends stopping by for burgers, brats, hot dawgs and a cold Corona to wash it down with. My fantasy has always been “over the river and through the woods to Grandmother’s house we go” – scads of loved-ones laughing and enjoying family, food and good times together. Had it in spades.

    I also spoke to the Director of my old department last night, over PFesser’s Patented Burgers. The Evil Empire is falling apart; outlying doctors are so offended by their abuse of hospital personnel that they have all but stopped sending patients. My schaenfreude-o-meter has bent the needle ’round the peg. Perhaps it’s time to consider opening an imaging center across the street.

  • 459. Tex Taylor  |  July 4, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Sen. Claire “McCaskill”, Rutherford, you lying little loaf. :lol: You’re always correcting us about the spelling of candidates…

    Isn’t convenient that McCaskill’s reelection didn’t coincide with those nasty little Dim conventions for President? Couldn’t be that Barack Obama is absolutely toxic across most of the country, could it? He’s running 30-40 points behind in many states.

    Does this sound like truth from a lying sack billing the public for her private planes and an Obama lapdog? :twisted: Kiss her goodbye – she’s toast and an absolutely reprehensible excuse for a human being.

    A perfect Dim.

  • 460. James  |  July 4, 2012 at 9:58 am

    253

    YouTube has been a boon for music as rabbit wrote. Sometimes, it reveals my ignorance.. A group of Finns made a flash mob last month and two girls introduced it. One said “Call me maybe” I thought the phrase was merely due to a girl’s struggle with English.

    Later, I learned it is a song, and that Finns knew more about our music than I did.

    Newt or no newt, if Romney’s lies and non answers bother you, what must you think of Obama’s lies and non answers?

    Happy July 4th, everyone.

  • 461. Tex Taylor  |  July 4, 2012 at 10:09 am

    Speaking of music James, I think I came upon the perfect tune for the Dimocratic National Convention. Hopefully the OWS attendance shows record numbers for King Obama’s crowning. :twisted:

  • 462. James  |  July 4, 2012 at 10:10 am

    The Omaha World Herald is writing a book about Cold War veterans from Korea to the first Gulf War. Many of us sent pictures and stories for publication.

    Yesterday, the World-Herald sponsored a free picnic, program, and fire works for the veterans who never got their parade.

    It was a fine affair, but we watched it on television. Marching down a hot city street with a heat index of 107 didn’t sound like much fun.

  • 463. James  |  July 4, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Thanks Tex. I am a BB KIng fan, and I have heard the song. I didn’t put it in the context of King Barry’s investiture until now. It fits perfectly. .

  • 464. Tex Taylor  |  July 4, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Marching down a hot city street with a heat index of 107 didn’t sound like much fun.

    Not much fun at all. The midwest and mid atlantic are “enjoying” a typical Texas/Oklahoma summer it sounds. Forty days of 100+ heat, followed by a microburst.

    And I desperately need to invest in a sprinkler system. I’m so tired of watering these flower gardens of mine, I could scream.

  • 465. Tex Taylor  |  July 4, 2012 at 10:23 am

    This one is for Pfesser. Seems after Anderson Cooper’s announcement, they’re coming out all over the place! :lol: :lol:

    http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2012/07/my-coming-out-post.html

  • 466. Tex Taylor  |  July 4, 2012 at 10:30 am

  • 467. Alfie  |  July 4, 2012 at 11:29 am

    @Rutherford 448 I’m asking if Rutherford v Nagic is an exclusive thing that should be ignored by others?
    R I tossed you an insiders look back @ 396 which was aimed at your 392.
    Serious if being interested in the overall dialog is wrong give folks a heads up.

    @ pool man I know I’ve made it quite clear I don’t like you and I’ve questioned your intelligence and sanity but I don’t recall ever going the nasty route. So two things for you.
    1) Never question my intelligence or diligence when it comes to what I share,put forth what have you even in the anonymous confines of the Rutherford Lawson blog. I’ve read and examined a vast amount of material that provides me with the confidence to say what I say. The Stericycle story is as I’ve portrayed it,as others have portrayed it. the Mother Jones piece is an intoxicant for the ignorant. Such brews come in bipartisan flavors. This is due to ignorance being a far from limited essence. Drink up.
    2) Having not gone the nasty route. Having in fact been your spiritual advisor of record as evidenced by a number of comments in this thread and others re the write-in thing. I am perplexed why you’ve defaulted to being a homophobic jerk with comments over what is or isn’t in my mouth. Trust me, the only thing in my mouth and the only thing dripping,nay flowing from it is truth and reality.

  • 468. Newt or no newt  |  July 4, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Wow, it is something else in here this morning, I better get my vaccinations before I return.

  • 469. Alfie  |  July 4, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Happy Birthday America! I for one hope you have many more but that is sadly a wait and see kind of thing.
    Happy and safe 4th festivities to all. Looks like the sun is back around here so pool,burgers,and fireworks are back on the menu.

    FWIW to the likes of Rutherford and thor I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Mitt Romneys time as Governor was really precast by his predecessors,especially William Weld. (aka my favorite MA gov)
    Romney sparked some positives in the early part of his admin but essentially did no better or worse than any other state executive as the clouds rolled in. He was clearly better than the two term Obama-Lite pygmy we have now.
    Bottom line and this isn’t pro Romney deflection. His time in the corner office on Beacon Hill was unremarkable. I think this is true for many governors here and elsewhere. The governors really have to ramp things up to effect the system. Romney did not do that,he simply held the wheel and made some moves unique to his experience and character.
    Now I know folks will see that last bit and be like…”RomneyCare”!!!!
    I also recognize a number of pro Romney and pro gotcha Romney types echo that. Thing is for all that has been said about MA health care reform,even from Mitt himself,it wasn’t ALL that and a bag of chips. Keep in mind it reshuffled a very special deck of cards (this being MA) and accomplished covering around 4% of the population. (usually seen as 439k people) Keep in mind that in Texas the medicaid expansion alone would go to 2 MILLION people!!!

  • 470. James  |  July 4, 2012 at 11:54 am

    I’ve been in Texas and Oklahoma in summer, and the weather up here looks familiar. June was like our normal August.

    We have five hundred feet of garden hose and a sprinkler at the end. Otherwise, I flood the garden.

    It is fun to stand under a center pivot on a hot day. I imagine it must be like an open city water hydrant.

    I read several more Democrats may miss the convention. The Sofia Jannuk song, “Irene” I mentioned is basically counting reindeer interspersed with joik. The way trends are moving, one could adapt that song to count delegates to the Democratic National Convention. After all, Democrats and reindeer are both herd animals.

  • 471. poolman  |  July 4, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Trust me, the only thing in my mouth and the only thing dripping,nay flowing from it is truth and reality.

    Poppycock.

    http://www.drudge.com/news/158516/romney-profited-fetus-disposal

  • 472. poolman  |  July 4, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Happy Independence Day, all. Keep up the good fight. Now for another of those damn videos…

  • 473. Tex Taylor  |  July 4, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    The unmitigated gall of a traitor, a self-serving coward and mooch that would facetiously wish anyone Happy Independence Day. An utterly craven coward, who spends the entire year vilifying a country perpetrated by vicious liars and fools – a country that is the only thing that sustains his worthless ass.

    ** VOMIT ** :mad: :mad: :mad:

    Happy Dependence Day for you, Toolman. You are no party to independence. If there were justice, we would sing America the Beautiful while we hanged you on the public square today.

    Worse than an infidel. The absolutely lowest of the low.

  • 474. El Tigre  |  July 4, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Yeah. That’s some more of your damn good comedy there Poolman. :roll:

  • 475. Alfie  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    @471 that doesn’t fly in the face of anything I said pool man. read the comments again. See #389 in particular.
    Romney still makes money to this day from Bain. Doesn’t mean he is in charge in any way shape or form or responsible for outcomes either pro or con.
    If you’re so full of the drink called ignorance to realize it,well that simply isn’t my problem.

  • 476. Tex Taylor  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Here’s dripwad Poolman’s crowd.

    http://twitchy.com/2012/07/04/shameful-left-celebrates-independence-day-by-slamming-america/

    Tell you what. You better hope I don’t make it to President, Mr. Rutherford. They’re going to be calling me Genghis Khan, because we are going to rounding up some sorry SOBs up, confiscating their assets (for the general welfare), and shipping them directly to Africa.

    Lowest of the low – I would stand up and cheer the crowd that dragged these sorry POS down the asphalt at 80mph. :twisted:

    Verdict? Not guilty.

  • 477. Newt or no newt  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Everyone here does understand what a Democracy is, right? Right?

  • 478. Raji  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Smaller,focused and purposeful is the best scenario for government.-Alfie

    I am in agreement Alfie about wanting a smaller efficient government if that is actually possible. So what’s your take on Colorado Springs that cut back to austerity levels in their police and firefighter forces based on decreased tax revenue then had to call in the National Guard for looting and the Fed for the wildfires? I compare it to the uninsured who depend on ER facilities.

    So is there a solution? The diversity between the liberals and conservatives is not providing solutions just division. What it all boils down to is neither Romney nor Obama is going to make any difference come next January. The American people need to have a wake-up call and start lighting fires under their Congressmen and demand what they want.

  • 479. Alfie  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    @477 and almost every other comment by Newt or no newt. Hope you got those shots ‘cuz here comes the disease. WTF are you on about???? I find most of your comments to be incomplete and unfocused.
    I’m not trying to be mean here but help the readers out…please.

  • 480. Alfie  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    @ Raji 478 I used focused and I did so purposefully.I felt it included “smarter” my bad.
    So with that government could be smarter no doubt. In the realm of public safety this includes: the wider embrace of technology. The ripping down of fiefdom walls. Expansion of reserve,volunteer and private services within the overall service. Keep in mind fire services in particular have helped to create the environment that paints them as less needed. There is a two way street there where both sides need to belly up to the bar. A number of threads ago I expressed the ability to point out a number of fire services/politics issues. Perhaps i should fire away?

  • 481. Alfie  |  July 4, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    @ Raji 478 specifically to what you asked. I don’t see the harm since having lived in Colorado Springs I don’t think their services would’ve been up to the challenge of the wild fires anyway. There is also a distinction between the city and the county. Even combined on a good day they would not have been up to it. On a side note (the sound you hear next is pool mans head exploding) I don’t support how the posse comitatus act is applied. I feel in many ways it has less to do with civil liberties and civilian control functions and more to do with fiefdom union thuggery and arrogance against the people.

  • 482. Tex Taylor  |  July 4, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Raji,

    What your post failed to account for is that the “greens” that so many treasure, are in large part are to blame for the uncontrolled environment Colorado Springs finds itself in. Same with Estes Park.

    If you’re going to build your homes on a timber, forest fires shouldn’t suddenly become unexpected, unless you are asking our Congressman to solve and pay for the elimination of all risk. That’s a nice pipe dream many liberals carry, but the reality of the elimination is pure bunk and a gigantic waste of money.

    See, my family has property not too far from the fires. And three years ago, I was threatened with a trip to the pokey to stand in front of an eco judge by one of Uncle Sam’s fine, flunky forest rangers for raking up dried pine needles too near the creek and away from the cabin. The home literally adjoins a national forest.

    Buford T. Forest Ranger and his fat accomplice Ms. Smokey Bear, whose horse strained under the weight of her girth, told me that was my one and only warning. Public enemy #1.

    It’s not so much the problem with Congress, but the dependency of millions of helpless, hapless folks who think gov’t is our answer to every problem, and that risk can be completely eliminated if we throw enough money at its elimination – as long as it is someone else money to pay for it.

    Leftism at its finest.

  • 483. nagic  |  July 4, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Rutherford, I really don’t care what you or anyone else thinks of my sexuality. I am happily married, and the furthest thing fro a homophobe. So knock yourself out rubbing one out while pondering the possibilities.

    As long as propaganda flies with you, I will be happy to use it in return. No crying foul when it comes back at you. Remember, you set the stage.

    You didn’t address the Trump statement, you dismissed it out of hand. It isn’t supposed to move the ball forward, it is supposed to put it to a screeching halt. This statement highlights many of the flaws with the plan and you, like usually, bury you head in the sand and pretend that…everything is gunna be alright.

    You didnt address Canada, you cherry picked one minute point, and called it quits. I am sure you gave it all the effort you do everything else in life, and it showed. Here is the part you missed.

    Timeline Dec 2011
    The median wait time is 19 weeks between the referral from a general practitioner and the start of elective treatment, finds the report, released by the Fraser Institute Monday.

    At 104 per cent longer than it was in 1993, this is the longest total wait time recorded since the Fraser Institute began measuring wait times in Canada.

    Wait times for a referral to a specialist rose to 9.5 weeks in 2011 from 8.9 weeks in 2010. And the wait time between a visit to a specialist and actual medical treatment increased to 9.5 weeks from 9.3 weeks.

    Though Ontario has the shortest total wait time for surgery among the provinces, with an average wait of 14.3 weeks between a visit to a GP and the receipt of treatment, that’s up from 14 weeks in 2010.

    Conversely, Prince Edward Island had the longest total wait time at 43.9 weeks.

    “Canadians are being forced to wait almost 4 ½ months, on average, to receive surgical care, prolonging the pain and suffering patients and their families are forced to endure,” said Mark Rovere, a co-author of the report. “Despite significant increases in government health spending, Canadians are still waiting too long to access medically necessary treatment,” Rovere said.

    353. nagic | July 3, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    In 1995-96 when their system came online, Canada spent $17.6 billion. In 2009-2010, Canada spent $42.6 billion on health care. Of Canada’s total expenditure on all programs, 43% goes to health care, 20% Other, 14% to education, 13% Children’s and Social Services, 7% Post-secondary Ed and Training, 4% Justice.

  • 484. Newt or no newt  |  July 4, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    But Alfie, you know more about my opinions than you heard from Mitt Romney and you are all keyed up to vote for him in November.

  • 485. poolman  |  July 4, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Raining here. Kind of puts the kibosh on the cookouts. Made a short workday for me. Room for one more damn video posting…

  • 486. Alfie  |  July 4, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    @ newt or no newt # 484
    That is as silly a comment as it is untrue.

  • 487. Rutherford  |  July 4, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    He’s already touted it.

    I never said he didn’t tout it. I say it’s a waste of his time to do it. The American people, when we get right down to it, don’t give a sh*t that he “ran” the Olympics.

  • 488. dead rabbit  |  July 4, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    The uncleared forests, irrationally kept that way by moron environmentalists, is a HUGE problem.

    I hate to say this but I despise the DNR. Fucking SS of the woods. They can walk right in your house sans warrent. I know a few lawless places in the UP where they stuff DNR uniforms with straw and hang them.

  • 489. Newt or no newt  |  July 5, 2012 at 12:04 am

    I want to thank this veteran for her service so I am sharing her article about another female veteran. http://e-moon60.livejournal.com/444261.html

  • 490. El Tigre  |  July 5, 2012 at 12:21 am

    “I never said he didn’t tout it. I say it’s a waste of his time to do it.”

    You’re saying he’s supposed to run away from it or fail to hang it out? Hogwash.

    The dumb attack from the lefties is the deliberate distraction from Obama’s record. Most see that.

    The anti-business sentiment you talk about is the MSNBC/OWS crowd, not the majority.

    His succeses are not viewed as failures by most R. No waste of time whatsoever.

  • 491. nagic  |  July 5, 2012 at 12:59 am

    When readers have finished with this story, we would be very surprised if they didn’t end up with a highly pessimistic query: Is there anything MSNBC can cover without spoiling it?

    The answer, as it turns out, may be “no.” For you see, even on the 4th of July, arguably the one day when every American, regardless of party affiliation, should be celebrating, MSNBC has decided it wants to remind its viewers of just how many awful things America has been responsible for.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/imperialism-and-genocide-the-4th-of-july-according-to-msnbc/

  • 492. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:32 am

    Romney is focused on the anti-Obama message becuase it’s his best and most effective argument.

    Mmmmm I hear an echo. That is exactly what I said.

  • 493. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:35 am

    You’re always correcting us about the spelling of candidates…

    You’re usually not one for false accusations Tex. I almost never correct spelling on this blog so I don’t know where you’re coming from on that one unless it was a pure joke. Hell, I blockquote some real doozies all the time and I always deal with content, not spelling or grammar.

  • 494. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:40 am

    Tex your link to the “confession” from the guy who likes small breasts is really more profound than you think. I know this is not your goal, but there should come a day when gay folks don’t feel they have to come out. When it will simply be a preference …. like enjoying small breasts.

  • 495. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:44 am

    I’m asking if Rutherford v Nagic is an exclusive thing that should be ignored by others?

    Oddly, Noah and I had toned down the rhetoric and were being disagreeably civil to each other for a bit. Then he had to go and call me a bitch (again).

    So, if the exchanges entertain, feel free to enjoy them. If they don’t, just skip right on to the other stuff. :-)

  • 496. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:48 am

    Wow, it is something else in here this morning, I better get my vaccinations before I return.

    LOL I should actually create a new page called “Vaccinations Advisory”. Newt, it gets toxic in here quite often. I actually administer the comments section while wearing a hazmat suit. :-)

  • 497. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:51 am

    Forgive my ignorance but could someone wise me up? Is Drudge just an aggregation site or does it have any original “journalism” on it?

  • 498. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:56 am

    President Taylor, ship them to Alaska not Africa. Africa has enough problems. And good ole Sarah Palin can slap these traitors into shape, you betcha!

  • 499. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:03 am

    Noah, what about ACA is not about Canada did you not understand? Throw all the Canadian stats at me that you like, it makes no difference.

    Alfie, I understand some of the non-free market stuff in Obamacare, but the big one — the expansion of Medicaid — was ruled optional in the recent SCOTUS decision and many states have said they won’t do it. That brings us right back to the free market side and dumping lots more customers into the commercial capitalist market. To say Obamacare is socialist is an incredible over simplification.

  • 500. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:06 am

    Oh bullshit, Mika Rutherford. I once spelled it Marc Rubio and you wet your pants correcting me, followed by one of your stupid euphemistic witticisms that leave the rest of us scratching our head wondering how somebody’s head could be so large, yet so empty. And that wasn’t the first time – just the most recent perhaps six months ago.

    Rutherford, you’ve become so diluted by watching what you watch and listening to those Sandi B. clones, you are actually starting to read like Mika and reason like Sandi the hermaphrodite.

    Have no fear – I understand HBO is now busily constructing a show to damage Roger Ailes. :lol: Is that what it has come to? You’re now left chasing station presidents?

    You malcontent leftists have become truly and obsessively psychotic and disillusioned. I suppose that is the end result of watching your hope & dreams of Jesus Obama and his wife Jezebel in melt down mode. The daily cover up and lies of formulating a plausible deniability is wearing on you, old friend. You and your wife need to turn off the TV and go watch some sci fi, or something. And remember while you’re watching it, like PMSNBC, it’s not real. :wink:

    I guess with the Roger Ailes announcement, we can officially announce the Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, BushChimpyMcHitler schtick has run its course and isn’t working?

    A new Bill Maher target must be found. It’s really hurtful watching an entire group of helpless saps circle the drain. Still, after eight years of Bush bashing, it couldn’t happen to a more deserving folk.

  • 501. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:06 am

    Newt sorry your last comment went into moderation … you changed email addresses on me and WP does not like that. I just approved it.

  • 502. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:12 am

    Tigre, first, even Romney doesn’t talk a lot about the Olympics. Sorry dude … it just does not resonate with the average person as a SERIOUS qualification.

    Second, polling in states that have lost manufacturing jobs, shows that the anti-Bain ads against Romney are working.

    Do not fool yourself. These states are a tossup cos they don’t like Obama but they DON’T trust Romney. Romney does indeed look like the guy who laid you off.

    P.S. Having spent 24 years in corporate, I actually like Romney from a biz perspective. I think I would have liked having him as a boss. Well, that is until he laid me off. ;-)

  • 503. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:14 am

    President Taylor, ship them to Alaska not Africa.

    Why would I pollute Alaska with the company of millions of lazy, stupid and racist malcontents? Besides, they don’t like the cold, don’t know the meaning of work, and the freeloading I understand is next to impossible. :grin:

    Explains why Canada and Alaska are doing well.

    Why don’t you ask Chris Rock :roll: how much we would have to raise for him to move to Liberia and forgo one more Independence Day?

    Reminds me of Adrian Peterson, making a cool $10.2 million a year to carry a football, calling the NFL strike last year slavery.

    Answer me something, Rutherford since you run with these piggish buffoons. How can a human be so monumentally stupid?

  • 504. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:18 am

    News flash Noah … your country ain’t perfect. Now I’m the first to admit that it’s a bit impolite to say “Happy Birthday Rutherford and by the way, you need a lot of improvement.” LOL Melissa might have chosen to bypass her assessment at this particular time. But her message is right on. We admire America partly for what it is and partly for what it has always aspired to be. Not a damn thing unpatriotic about that.

  • 505. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:23 am

    Oh bullshit, Mika Rutherford. I once spelled it Marc Rubio and you wet your pants correcting me, …

    Oh please get the f*ck over yourself. I correct you twice in a year and suddenly I’m a spelling scold? You’re full of sh*t.

    Tex, this is a sore spot with you cos I know you actually hate misspelling things. It’s evident by the number of times you follow up a comment with a spelling correction.

    Bottom line … I DON’T school people here on grammar or spelling. If you think I do, prove it. And two corrections in one year ain’t proof of anything but your outsized sensitivity.

  • 506. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:24 am

    Anybody that’s not named Newt and doesn’t fawn over Obama. That would eliminate the rank propagandists.

    You want to see the epitome of a distraught feminist, suffering from delusions of grandeur believing she’s a hero and the GOP has declared war on Jesus Obama veterans? Someone cast to the winds of hopelessly hideous? Another writer like Thor of really fascinating science fiction – I think it’s her autobiography from the rubber room.

    It’s not Margaret & Helen. It’s not Cindy Sheehan. It’s this:

    http://www.elizabethmoon.com/
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Now tell me. Does that not look like the lefty feminist mold? Is there anything more pitiful than an aged Woodstocker who never let go? It’s like Stalinists in Russia.

    Can you imagine sleeping beside something like that? :twisted: I’ll bet the bed smells like rosemary and mothballs.

    Yeah Newt. I could tell the minute I laid eyes on that 420 granola cruncher lady, she was completely credible.

  • 507. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:30 am

    I think the HBO show you’re thinking of Tex is one that just premiered starring Jeff Daniels as a conservative version of Keith Olbermann. It’s so-so. Written and produced by Aaron Sorkin (“West Wing”). It’s called “The Newsroom”. Like I said, it’s so-so but has enough good moments to be on my watch list.

  • 508. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:36 am

    Did you see Aaron Sorkin’s comment today about Independence Day, Rutherford. You’ve really cast yourself with some fine, fine people. ** SPIT **

    http://digg.com/newsbar/Politics/shameful_aaron_sorkin_left_celebrate_independence_day_by_slamming_america_update_chris_rock_joins_in_twitchy

    This is why you are so fucked up, Rutherford. This is your reality. You have absolutely no idea why people are dying to immigrate to America. And neither do these sorry, lying f*cks.

  • 509. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:37 am

    FYI

    Sorkin’s comment is so full of lies, I don’t even know where to start

  • 510. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:39 am

    Here’s more on your hero, Newt. Sounds like a swell kind of gal. On second thought, you probably find this a really swell idea.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/want-to-eradicate-stolen-or-mistaken-identity-writer-says-imprint-a-code-on-everyone-at-birth/

  • 511. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:40 am

    Just what this blog needed. A female Toolman™. :twisted:

  • 512. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:58 am

    “Cruel ages are put on their guard against sentimentality; feckless and idle ones against Respectability; lecherous ones against Puritanism; and whenever all men are really hastening to be tyrants we make Liberalism the prime bogey.” ~ C.S. Lewis (Satan in the Screwtape Letters)

  • 513. PFesser  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:04 am

    Interesting: lawyer thinks Justice Roberts pulled one over on the libs. I hope his take is right. One thing for certain – the conservatives I know are fired up like I have never seen them…and so am I.

    http://godfatherpolitics.com/5961/did-justice-roberts-pull-one-over-liberals/#ixzz1zb7c7VTp

  • 514. James  |  July 5, 2012 at 7:34 am

    Chris Rock and the others neglected the black contribution to our freedoms. I’ve mentioned before that Sarah Palin caught flak for saying she was glad to be around real Americans when she campaigned in West Virginia, I think. She was right.

    If Bain Capital is gaining traction it is because the Washington Post has lied and the Obama campaign repeats the story. . Obama may win the election, and so far his primary weapon is the ignorance of many Americans. Obama’s own campaign has outsourced jobs. Ignorance is his best friend.

  • 515. James  |  July 5, 2012 at 7:38 am

    I don’t remember the Senators’ name, only that he is also a doctor. You, Rutherford, have struggled valiantly against physical problems, and I hope you will be around for a long time. If the Senator is right about Obamacare, your future will be bleak. At the very least, you will have time to catch up on your reading, because you will spending more time than you know in waiting rooms.

  • 516. nagic  |  July 5, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Per my 235 Rutherford you said…..

    Now one of you (I don’t remember who) said that the Canadian system only works if you have a run of the mill problem but for life threatening issues, there are wait times.

    So which is it?

    I don’t think anyone here has the slightest idea what they’re talking about regarding Canada. I’ve heard from Canadians and Brits who are quite happy with their health care.

    To which I posted my information. Sorry I didn’t remind you each subsequent what you were supposed to be focused on.

    I will take your inability to challenge any of the points made by Trump or Whittle as an admission of their truth and factual nature. I am glad we agree.

  • 517. El Tigre  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:04 am

    PF, that link contains some serious foolsihness (#513). The libs weren’t “had.” Come on. Roberts imposed a potentially huge “tax” burden to make Obama look bad? No fucking way. He caved to other pressures and interests — duping the left wasn’t one of them. We’re stuck with a Rube Goldeberg-like health care plan and disastrous precedent for those reasons? Puhleeeze.

    Who’s the zipperhead that wrote that thing? Hopefully not one of your respected “lawyer” friends.

  • 518. nagic  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Think someone needs to look into Roberts offshore accounts and what Boards he is a part of serving as treasurer.

  • 519. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Tigre and Pfesser, my take is somewhere in between concerning the Obama Mandated Health Care Tax. This verdict could prove to a great day in America. But that is predicated on two very dicey propositions.

    Republicans must win both the Presidency and the senate, while retaining the house.

    I’ve got a friend of a friend that actually went to school with Roberts. Sent me a copy of a letter last night the friend had written. If you are to believe “the friend of a friend”, it assures us Roberts is as Conservative as Scalia.

    Don’t know about that.

  • 520. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Methinks Tex a bit jealous of Elizabeth Moon. When’s the last time the BBC asked your opinion about anything ole chum?

  • 521. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:27 am

    POS WordPress apparently ate my last comment concerning the Robert’s decision. Screw it. Ain’t writing it again.

    Rutherford, the rest of you feckless leftists that reside on this board? How come you moonbats have been strangely silent on the new book clearly documenting Barack Obama’s penchant for twisting his life story like a pretzel? :grin:

    Reads to me like Barry was born the congenital liar. And nothing much has changed. Why don’t you write a post on this one, “R”?

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/04/obama-american-story-faces-fresh-scrutiny/

  • 522. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:31 am

    To all my friends, particularly those conservatives who are despondent over the searing betrayal by Chief Justice John Roberts and the pending demise of our beloved country, I offer this perspective to convey some profound hope and evidence of the Almighty’s hand in the affairs of men in relation to the Supreme Court’s decision on Obamacare.

    Read more: http://godfatherpolitics.com/5961/did-justice-roberts-pull-one-over-liberals/#ixzz1zl5ITKBc

    Now if that intro isn’t evidence of a deranged mind, I don’t know what is. “despondent”? “pending demise”? To Richard Bolen, I can only say, get out of your mother’s basement and get some fresh air.

  • 523. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Oh yeah, Rutherford. Completely jealous of Elizabeth Moon. You got me pegged, man. Pass the roach clip while I try to strum this cheap guitar some more and take pictures of insects.

    That’s really my true life ambition. To become an old clinger to a failed 60s ideology, never grow up or grow old, and pen science fiction that nobody has heard of, while looking like I washed my face with lava for 60 years. :roll:

    Damn, you are mind boggling perceptive. Like the Whigs.

  • 524. El Tigre  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:40 am

    “Mmmmm I hear an echo. That is exactly what I said.”

    R, are you doing this just to substantiate Noah’s accusations about isolating a word or phrase? Why do you do this? There’s more to what I said.

    Let’s me try and make it retard-proof: The response to Obama;s distorted ad campaign should be for Romney to scream about his success at Bain from the mountaintops, not hide from it; that’s Obama’s and MSNBC’s objective. Fuck. The attacks on Bain or just stupid, and Romney’s handling of the Olympics exceeds anything your Messiah has accomplished on his own.

    R, you shouldn’t be be shocked to learn that not everybody formulates their views from a lying Obama propaganda t.v. station. Obama has nothing to show successful leadership on anything. It’s just painful watching hike credit for others’ accomplishments, denying that his failures occurred, or casting blame on someone else for the. Yet you nod along with the smug satisfaction the cast of geniuses at MSNBC reinforce.

    The Obama administration is the antithesis of leadership — and look at what the MSNBCers are going for today. Obama’s business succeses, umm, Solyndra and the littany of the others? No. Stericycle? Really? You support abortion and think that Romney’s economic interest in Stericycle that disposes of medical waste and the product of the “woman;s right to choose” proves Romney is unfit for the job or that Obama’s a better choice? Run that logic out for us. I dare you. It only appeals to the non-thinking Obama base that isn’t going to be persuaded anyway. And for the love of God, don;t bother typing out, “I already said Stericycle was a worthless issue.” There’s a bigger point I’m trying to make R. Context or as you like to say, “nuance.”

    Romney needn’t hide from Bain or the Olympics. Didn’t Biden say something about Romney’s sterling record at Bain or something to that effect? (God, Biden’s such a tool — have you figured out they use him to test message yet?)

    R, really. I beg of you. Turn MSNBC off for a day. Make your case for Obama or observations founded on reality as opposed to MSNBC wish-casting and propaganda. Nobody who watches that God forsaken shit is going to change their vote based on what they’re told. You and they watch for another purpose.

  • 525. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:48 am

    More from Bolen.

    As I write this the libs don’t even know what has happened; they just think Roberts is great and that they won and we are all going to have free, unlimited healthcare services and we are all going to live happily ever after.

    Putting aside the financial burden on the country what exactly is wrong with everyone having unlimited free healthcare services? I really don’t get this. Being healthy is a privilege? I don’t know whether Bolen has given the matter insufficient thought or he’s just a very cynical bastard.

  • 526. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:52 am

    When HBO (Helping Barack Obama) and CNN (Clinton News Network) fold tent, and they are both starting to teeter (they offering HBO for free here and nobody is taking it), dozens and dozens of viewers will be switching to PMSNBC for their nightly fix, jumping PMSBNC viewership over E! into 34th place in the cable ratings.

    Have faith, Rutherford! There’s still a large contingent of SuperDome save me Obama types out there you can win over for viewership.

  • 527. El Tigre  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:53 am

    R, don;t burn up any braincells on Bolen. That whole piece is pretty dumb and looks to be written for email circulation. Of course, to most libs, federally provided means the same thing as “free.”

  • 528. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Sorry I just can’t stop:

    This too is huge because Obama assiduously avoided using the term “tax” and now he has to admit this law is a tax and it is on everyone, even the poor.

    What an ignorant oaf. It is a tax on those who do not purchase health insurance and fall within a certain income. Do you know what the estimate is? 1% of Americans will pay the tax.

    Pfesser, dammit man, you’re smarter than this.

  • 529. El Tigre  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Tex, in R’s defense, if he nitpicked spelling and grammar I’d be banned. How he (or anyone else) can decipher half the shit I slop down is a testament to R’s patience.

    Now, if we could work on his comprehension. . . :lol:

  • 530. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Being healthy is a privilege?

    No, being healthy is a personal responsibility – a term Leftists completely unfamiliar.

    Putting aside the financial burden for a second, when are you and the Mrs. going to buy a new mandated Volt?

  • 531. El Tigre  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:58 am

    “Putting aside the financial burden for a second, when are you and the Mrs. going to buy a new mandated Volt?”
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Ah yes. An “Obama Business Success” tax.

  • 532. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Ahhh the kicker … The Bolen Law Firm … Lexington, South Carolina. I should’ve known. And then they wonder why they lost the war. :lol: :lol:

  • 533. El Tigre  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:00 am

    R, Bolen is black. :shock:

  • 534. poolman  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Maybe AVTM can explain the GM situation better to Rutherford…

  • 535. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:02 am

    James, what foreign countries has the Obama campaign outsourced jobs to?

  • 536. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Do you know what the estimate is? 1% of Americans will pay the tax.

    Really? Then why does the Obamacare Mandated Health Care Tax take more than $500 billion from Medicare and cost the nation an estimated $1.7 trillion over ten years?

    And why does ObamaCare required states to increase eligibility for Medicaid to 133 percent of the poverty line, or roughly $30,000 per year for a family of four? The expansion would also make childless single men eligible for Medicaid for the first time (a very expensive demographic, by the way).

    And why In all, about 40 percent of all the people projected to gain coverage under ObamaCare would do so via Medicaid?

    But you haven’t even addressed the biggest cost, Rutherford. Tigre’s right. You’ve been lied to by PMSNBC for so long, you’ve completely lost the ability to think critically.

    See, the real imposed real costs are on states. For example, the Medicaid expansion would cost New Jersey taxpayers roughly $35 billion over 10 years, and New Yorkers as much as $52 billion.

    You want to explain to me how the government is paying for all that when only 1% of Americans are paying the “tax?”

    That was truly Newt Poolman worthy… :roll:

  • 537. El Tigre  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Seriously R, WTF are you on? You have no concept of the the amount or how the costs of your free health care go down, do you?

  • 538. Newt or no newt  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Who knew, a credible female veteran like Elizabeth Moon could get under Tex’s skin? Almost everyone here I suppose, the old green-eyed monster just took over once again. It is about patriotism Tex, give credit where credit is due. Did you serve your country? No? Well then walk a mile in someone else’s shoes, before you judge.
    Sorry about the email thing R, used the one I reserve for shopping at Fredrick’s of Hollywood Online.

  • 539. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:28 am

    How come you moonbats have been strangely silent on the new book clearly documenting Barack Obama’s penchant for twisting his life story

    Actually I have mentioned the book in prior threads. I think you’re referring to the one written by Marannis? He has a good reputation and the book has been lauded as a very fair assessment of Obama.

  • 540. dead rabbit  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:29 am

    I think Roberts called it like he saw it. It’s not his responsibilty to protect America from Obama’s obvious lies. To him, any sane person should have the critical thinking skills to see a huge fucking tax, despite what loyal mindless supporters like Rutherford spew. I think he is wrong. Taxes should be called taxes. I seriously doubt Roberts folded due to outside pressure or had some elaborate plan to serve Obama a dish of very cold revenge.

  • 541. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Yeah Tex, she pens science fiction that no one has heard of besides the BBC. :roll:

    Look I’m not saying she’s Ray Bradbury but she clearly isn’t a deadbeat.

  • 542. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:35 am

    I think it’s hilarious that Tigre and I ridicule Bolen for entirely different reasons! :-)

  • 543. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Let’s me try and make it retard-proof

    I prefer the phrase “Rutherford-retardant”. :-)

    Tigre, of course both Obama and Biden have acknowledged Romney’s success. How can they not? He’s a very rich man based on his success. But he’s successful at creating wealth. Not at creating jobs. Not at even creating a product. Have you noticed how his original claim of creating thousands of jobs has fallen silent? He knows better … and so do you.

  • 544. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Who knew, a credible female veteran like Elizabeth Moon could get under Tex’s skin? Almost everyone here I suppose, the old green-eyed monster just took over once again. It is about patriotism Tex, give credit where credit is due. Did you serve your country? No? Well then walk a mile in someone else’s shoes, before you judge.

    You know, Newt. I’m immensely jealous of Lizzie Moon. I admit it and it crawls through me like a million stinging ants.

    I always wanted to resemble Granny Clampett and write science fiction nobody reads as my life’s mission. I was especially jealous of Lizzie’s lifetime collaboration of insect pictures. :wink:

    Let me tell you something about the wonders of awarding hero status to everyone who has served and deeming them patriotic for the sole reason of signing up. Private Bradley Manning served. So did Ft. Hood massacre artist Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan. So did Lynndie England of Abu Ghraib fame.

    See Newt, like a few here and to a lesser degree Rutherford, you too have a huge problem choking on the gnat and reading only what you wish to read. Serving in and of itself is meaningless without honor. Honor is a trait leftists like yourself don’t fully understand – in fact, there is a dearth of it in the entire current Dimocratic party – caricatured by men like Eric Holder. Self-absorption is your common trait, along with gross incompetence, dishonesty, often accompanied by abject stupidity.

    So you’ve got to ask yourself this question, Newt.

    If our military is so disrespected by us Republicans, so put upon by its leaders, holds Barack Obama in such high esteem, hated by Veterans, and values serving under you pinko’s patriot’s jurisdiction, why is it that invariably the military vote breaks 2 -1 for every Republican President?

    So overwhelming in fact, that one of you and Liz’s games over the years has been to suppress the military oversea’s vote by a host of unscrupulous machinations – ballots never received or sent out late; lost in the mail, too late to be tabulated, etc…Happened in both 2000, 2004, 2008. Now, many of us might call that a trend.

    The problem Newt I have with Lizzie Moon isn’t I’m jealous. It’s that she is an obvious liar adjoined to a pack of hapless, helpless liars and that millions of you rubes, stooges and dupes willingly believe her.

  • 545. dead rabbit  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:41 am

    I bet Elizabeth Moon has a massive hairy triangle that smells of patchuli, salted fish, hemp oil and rotting fruit. The triangle probably breaks down at the inner thigh, as course hair spirals out, masking spider vains. Amazingly, after an intense drum circle and lots of Humboldt Gold, the entire commune eats from earthy trough nonetheless.

  • 546. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:41 am

    And by the way, Chris Rock is very successful. You want him for President? ;-)

  • 547. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:44 am

    The triangle probably breaks down at the inner thigh, as course hair spirals out, masking spider vains. Amazingly, after an intense drum circle and lots of Humboldt Gold, the entire commune eats from earthy trough nonetheless.

    :lol: Classic, once again.

  • 548. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Now, if we could work on his comprehension. . . :lol:

    It’s not my fault that I thought the three R’s were relaxing, relaxing and relaxing. :-)

  • 549. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:48 am

    when are you and the Mrs. going to buy a new mandated Volt?

    Unlike you I give the government some credit for a little common sense. But then I’m forgetting the logic:

    First they took my money for social security and I said nothing
    Then they took my money for Medicare and I said nothing
    Then they took my money for health care and I said nothing
    Then they made me buy a Volt and I said nothing
    Now I can’t find my wife because they took her away to sell her body on the street for the State’s general welfare!

    Oooooh the slippery slippery slope!

  • 550. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:49 am

    So when you going to get Leo barcoded, Rabbit? That’s Lizzie Moon’s new goal – to have all of earth’s citizens barcoded at birth.

    Sounds like someone we should all hold in high esteem and value her opinion? Lizzie Auschwitz.

    What Rutherford obviously missed that I provided above, isn’t that Lizzie is known for her sterling science fiction – it’s that she’s such a loon and moonbat of political activism ala Cindy Sheehan, she’s become an object of morbid curiosity from the global community.

    Another caboose of millions of cabooses heading backwards on the track to meet the granite cliff of reality.

  • 551. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:50 am

    First they took my money for social security and I said nothing
    Then they took my money for Medicare and I said nothing
    Then they took my money for health care and I said nothing
    Then they made me buy a Volt and I said nothing
    Now I can’t find my wife because they took her away to sell her body on the street for the State’s general welfare!

    I’m blown away. That’s the best thing you ever provided here, Rutherford. Almost spiritual… :grin:

    And completely by accident.

  • 552. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:51 am

    LOL Bolen is black???? Well slap my ass and call me Charlie.

    I wonder … any history buffs on the blog here? Were there any blacks in the Confederate army? That would be funny as sh*t if there were.

  • 553. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Hey Tex, you think 550 is worthy of posting on BiW’s blog? You can claim it as your own. Consider it my Independence Day gift to you. :-)

  • 554. dead rabbit  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:54 am

    I missed that. Why does she want everyone bar coded?

  • 555. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Haven’t you seen the movie Glory? :smile: It was on yesterday. Good movie too. A shame that Matthew Broderick is such a loon and Morgan Freeman had to tap his granddaughter. :twisted:

    I do like them in movies. Still, I think Denzel is a good guy. Hope he doesn’t disappoint like Morgan did.

  • 556. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Oh hell yes, Rabbit. Liz is a self-identifying rube thru and thru. A global warming alarmist and eco-fascist, granola cruncher and Woodstock clinger, and wannabee sci fi author that has recommended this:

    http://www.infowars.com/eco-fascism-bares-its-teeth-global-warming-alarmist-wants-to-barcode-babies/

    Let’s hear it for Newt!

  • 557. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Sorry about the email thing R, used the one I reserve for shopping at Fredrick’s of Hollywood Online.

    LOL I love it.

    Joe Walsh who I’m ashamed to admit is from my state, has really gone off the reservation in his criticism of his disabled veteran opponent. How he can think this is a winning strategy beats the crap out of me.

  • 558. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    I think Roberts called it like he saw it.

    Nice change of pace … I agree with Rabbit.

    Now watch him change his mind. :-)

  • 559. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    By the way, Toolman™. Did you note my source? :grin:

    If that doesn’t turn you on your female counterpart, Newt, nothing will. Picked that one especially for you.

  • 560. Alfie  |  July 5, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    @551 there are estimates that they numbered into the tens of thousands.

  • 561. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Here Newt> I found something maybe you could address for the crowd to test the chops. I found you Lizzie accusations wanting. Perhaps you might fare better addressing this:

    Liberals ignore Obama’s Guantanamos

    Could any of you patriots from the world of Leftydom care to address this? Or should you and Lizzie sweep this under the rug of our military being mercenaries – but only under the auspices of Bush?

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/liberals-ignore-obama-guantanamos-article-1.1106633?localLinksEnabled=false

  • 562. Alfie  |  July 5, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    @ 556 if you flick the emotion switch off for a moment you could probably work it out. Let me help you.
    Walsh has offered a criticism that isn’t without validity. It is also alas not without precedent as many candidates right and left tend to pick an emotional item and flog it to death as opposed to facing issues.
    Walsh vs Duckworth have excellent issues differences which in a better electorate pool would prove an interesting and important race.
    That said lets accept that the bulk of voters are dumb. Lets further accept that Duckworth albeit involuntarily is a feelings machine.
    Full statements by Walsh shows he isn’t nearly as disrespectful as the absolute douchebag Moon portrays.
    Final note. If it were my district I couldn’t vote for either candidate. TPM vs Tax and spend=losers

  • 563. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    One of the comments:

    If you think a US army private putting women’s panties on a terrorists head and taking his photograph is worse than dropping a drone and killing his entire family: YOU MIGHT BE A LIBERAL.
    :lol:

  • 564. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Tens of thousands of black men fighting to preserve a culture of enslavement. Is it any wonder that to this day the black community gets so little respect from the establishment?

    I may have to start researching eugenics. Only innate mental deficiency could account for the stat Alfie quoted. :-(

  • 565. Alfie  |  July 5, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    I don’t know if it is because I despise the sic-fi genre so much or what but I wanted to expand on the Moon.
    Here’s a good example of a person inexplicably in the public spot light being paid attention. Celebrity boggles my mind as a norm,it angers me when folks get lazy and continually tap celebrities as if they mean anything.
    Anyway Ms Moon was actually in the rightosphere happy seat before. She offered up a blog post that won her condemnation from a feminist sic fi writers gala. the rightosphere applauded her for calling out Muslims to be better immigrants in light of events surrounding 9/11/2010.
    Now she’s in the dog house and foe and ally alike find the BBC to be the credibility supplier. That sound is me banging my head up against the wall. The program me she was tapped for looks in a number of places to find insights. Her input being a rather farcical bar code thing.
    Writers,singers, and comedians are all the rage in the social fabric/influence thing. They trend left. My question has and always will be….WHY????

  • 566. El Tigre  |  July 5, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    R, Google retrieved this:

    http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/blackcs.htm

    p.s. I made up the thing about Bolen. I said it to make a point. We all know it makes a difference to you — visceral. :lol:

  • 567. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Not much to argue about in that Daily News article, at least on principle. What I understand least about our current President is his ferocity in fighting terrorism. He has indeed put “Cheney is a war criminal” liberals in a bad spot.

  • 568. Alfie  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    @ 563 actually it seems to be based in a) a considerable number of folks in servant service positions. b) still more sensing a connection to what they considered their country. c) potential to view service as a means of freedom.
    It really shouldn’t be a big surprise. Buffalo Soldiers are of interest as is the dynamics found if you explore WWI and WWII black service members. Seriously shitty standards there. WWII you tend to only hear about the Tuskegee airman. Should listen a little harder to the port fucks sent to the Alaskan highway and Navy ammo dumps. There are a number of stories that capture the WWI era bewilderment of hoe the French were nice to blacks and many knew damn well back home they were screwed. Some stayed in Paris and tried to make a go of it. Entertainers of the era also found Paris to be something to think about.

  • 569. James  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    ABC News “Outsourcing and Offshoring:Is there really a difference?”

    “Outsourcing is what the Obama campaign does when they hire an outside telemarketing vendor to provide telemarketing service. This is what companies do every day…”

    “Did Obama’s campaign outsource work overseas?.ABC News.”

    They paid call centers in British Columbia and Manila, Philippines. This information is subject to debate. No one knows for certain where the campaign money went. But as I wrote before, I am playing by rules the left set and making the assumptions they would do if the situation were reversed.

  • 570. El Tigre  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    “Have you noticed how his original claim of creating thousands of jobs has fallen silent? He knows better … and so do you.”

    No. No I don’t. If the measure is “created or saved,” then Romney walks on water.

    Still can’t get around your MSNBC truths?

    Someday I hope you’ll try to understand what VC and Private Equity are all about.

    Of course I I hoped you would actually read the Obamacare opinion too. :roll:

  • 571. poolman  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    If that doesn’t turn you on your female counterpart, Newt, nothing will. Picked that one especially for you.

    My female counterpart is actually here in the kitchen making banana bread. We’re getting ready for a little retreat up to cooler climes for a couple days. I know you guys will miss me. Lol.

    As for noncommittal newt, we have our common ground AND opposing views. She obviously will vote democrat this November, as long as the election is still held, and I am all in for Ron Paul.

    Maybe someday you’ll get that this governing thing isn’t a competitive team sport, and that every person is unique, even as Ms Moon’s own article points out. The objective is NOT to crush your ‘opponent’. We’re supposed to operate democratically. An ideal, I know, but one based on the value of every individual.

    I don’t go for the government ID permanently imprinted or impregnated in our bodies for obvious reasons, but it does make sense from an accounting/logical stand point. Veterinarians use it. The military has too. Unfortunately it does have other ramifications, as Alex Jones and others do point out. From a biblical slant, it’s the ushering in of the global cabal’s control and a one world system. This is considered by many as the famous the ‘mark’ of the beast.

    No one can buy or sell without that ‘mark’, so the prophecy claims.

    But if you cannot recognize ‘the beast’, then there isn’t anything I can do to save you. We are all responsible for ourselves and the reason we have so much trouble recognizing that is because we have given that personal responsibility to others in the form of government. The more we ‘free’ ourselves of personal responsibility, the greater our enslavement by these institutions we have set up to ‘protect’ us. “Come out of her…

  • 572. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Alfie the big problem with Walsh’s approach is that it takes place against the backdrop of the GOP’s almost sickening worship of soldiers. Within the past year we’ve had GOPhers boo a gay serviceman on television and now besmirch a Corporal who lost body parts defending her country. Yet, let any lib say squat about a soldier and they are labeled a traitor or worse.

    And Walsh’s rhetoric on this HAS sucked. He has said basically “yes, I agree she’s a hero … but enough already.” Try letting any lib get away with that.

    Now with that said, I think calls for Walsh’s resignation are over the top. He just deserves a good punch in the nose. (Preferably from Duckworth) :-)

  • 573. El Tigre  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    DR, Roberts did not vote his conscience. He’s smarter than the bullshit he penned.

  • 574. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Alfie, why do they trend left or why are they all the rage? There are loads of reasons for the cult of personality. Identification with the star, vicarious involvement in issues via the star, etc etc.

  • 575. Alfie  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    @566 If I were to offer an opinion on that it would be as follows.
    Neither Bush or Obama are fighting a war on terrorism per se. It is more about the much bigger picture of an evolving global geopolitical strategy. Each POTUS has personal leanings in one direction or another and 2013 will not see a dawn of a new direction.
    Energy and resources are the biggest drivers here.
    It is falsely viewed purely with an Islamic v West eye,it is more about spheres of influence. This is playing out on a focused scale in the Caucasus where even Israel is finding new allies.
    The Horn of Africa is another area where the spheric view is afoot.
    Last but by no means least there is the USA’s “Pacific Pivot”.

  • 576. James  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Our neighbor, a veteran of WW11 Omaha Beach and the Battle of the Bulge told a lot of storied. The British women like to date blacks. They were polite, nice looking, exotic, and had money to spend. The British men complained that blacks were monopolizing most of the women.

    The high command finally forbid blacks to take shore leave. Black sailors were infuriated, and rioted. Our neighbor was one to quell the mutiny. He didn’t know how many blacks were killed or injured, but he thought he had killed three.

    I think descendents of black WW1 soldiers still live in France.

  • 577. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    One of the problems global warming watchers run into is confusing climate with the weather. That said, doesn’t this heat wave give any of you the spooks? It’s supposed to hit 102 today.

    Get the “humans-caused-it” out of the way for a minute. What if the atmosphere that protects us from the sun really is breaking down? We are royally screwed. Shouldn’t it be investigated so we can find some way to change our destiny?

  • 578. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Writers,singers, and comedians are all the rage in the social fabric/influence thing. They trend left. My question has and always will be….WHY????

    Though at least two here disagree with me, I think the reasons very clear to me, Alfie.

    Most of the artsy, craftsy type and those whose blood is filled with seeking the limelight always struck me as confused about a great many things. One of those was purpose.

    Since I have always contended man created for a greater purpose than simply existence and pleasure which is manifested by our self awareness, and that quality endowed in each of us whether we recognize it or not, our gifts not equally distributed; the characteristic displays itself through our choice of what do we to seek satisfaction.

    Adulation leading to gratification? Or the realization self fulfillment fleeting, and there is something much more to life? You don’t necessarily have to “have religion” to understand a large portion of it and come to the right conclusions about a great many things, but you invariably run into the proverbial brick wall of questions not easily explained without it.

    A contorted confused ramble of pseudo theology and psychology which I don’t much care to share at present because it would take a heck of a lot of explanation, sounding like Rutherford’s sociology babble of essay answers, but it is still one that I am most sure of…

  • 579. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    I made up the thing about Bolen.

    And you thought I could only be duped by MSNBC! ;-)

  • 580. muffy  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    ”Writers,singers, and comedians are all the rage in the social fabric/influence thing. They trend left. My question has and always will be….WHY????”

    I’m more intrigued by psychology than most of you, except perhaps for Rutherford. So I’ll take a crack at it

    Sorkin and Rock are two examples of where I think the answer lies. Especially Sorkin – a recovering drug addict.

    Liberals like to think theirs is the more logical ideology, the more cerebral, more thoughtful. Not true.

    Creatives and the celebrities are typically emotionally dysfunctional. Witness their love lives. They get to that early adulthood stage and they stay there emotionally for one reason or another. Some stop growing before adulthood. Many have hedonistic tendencies common to creatives, many drink to excess or take drugs or are in recovery – all states that suspend emotional growth. They don’t recognize the simplicity of their need for pleasure, so they keep trying to satisfy it instead of finding the right room for it in their lives. Like a hungry kid who eats until he’s stuffed and his tummy hurts. Drugs, sex, anything that pleasures. Approbation, acceptance, adoration. An audience.

  • 581. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Toolman™,

    As I am sure you are aware, I find you the proverbial joke, confused and frankly mentally ill – the latter no pun intended. The fact that I find you unredeemed, unedifying, despicable, a traitor, shallow, and the height of pretentious is not why I write this to you:

    But if you cannot recognize ‘the beast’, then there isn’t anything I can do to save you.

    Truthfully, I am surprise you can recognize your own car from day to day. But the one thing I am sure of, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is there is absolutely, positively nothing you can offer to "save me."

    And since you hate our government, accusing it of the most egregious crimes, I fail to understand why you put up with it and don't seek your kingdom on earth.

    And I suspect your type of kingdom would lead to the villages of Ghana, where upon removal of your aluminum helmet, you would drink jugs of cyanide laced Kool Aid and declare Ron Paul god.

  • 582. Alfie  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    @ 573….loads of reasons and none of them very good.
    @ the spirit of 571…calls them like you see ‘em is fine with me. I think on balance there is a line all parties need to recognize when it comes to veteran status and active service. Service doesn’t insulate against getting smacked for saying or doing something viewed as dishonorable. On the flip side it isn’t the proverbial free pass some try to use it as. Again though you’re getting into the honor issue which I think Tex touched on earlier.

    Lets’s have a bipartisan,civilian & veteran poll….
    Politi-weasel veteran Quiz?
    A. John Murtha
    B. John McCain
    C. John Kerry
    D. Allen West.
    I say A&C are the worse with Murtha hands down the worst.
    I look at B&D and have a hard time figuring out the ranking.
    Alfie=(R) Veteran

  • 583. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    Sorry, “R”. You could do me a favor by closing my blockquote in 580. Mea culpa.

    xxoxox,

    T.T.

  • 584. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Tigre, fascinating quote from Jefferson Davis regarding it being preferable to give up your slave rather than be enslaved yourself.

    Wouldn’t it be interesting to imagine an alternate history in which the South really DID secede over states rights primarily and NOT over slavery … and if we survived as two nations … with the South freeing their slaves of their own volition and blacks enjoying a better standard of living down there than up here.

    Damn, if only I could write fiction, I’d get started on a manuscript.

  • 585. muffy  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Tex, I had my reply written before I saw yours. I’d love to hear what you describe in your last paragraph as a a psychobabble ramble (I’m paraphrasing). But I understand how difficult that would be in this forum. Anyway I think your comment about purpose and “seeking” behaviors is in the right neighborhood. Or one that I agree with anyway.

  • 586. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Definitely ‘D’, Alfie. At least in my book.

    I say that for three reasons: (1) To the best of my knowledge, Allen West is self made; McCain was privileged from the start; (2) Allen West is a world smarter than John McCain, a man I find at best of marginal intellect; (3) I find McCain the consummate politician – a man of no clear purpose or direction. Whether you like or admire Allen West, I find him a man of clear conviction.

    I find Murtha actually more ‘palatable’ than Kerry. Murtha was a hypocrite and self serving stooge, granted. But John Kerry has all of Murtha’s bad qualities and then some – a liar, a self-absorbed, self important lout, and someone with illusions of grandeur.

  • 587. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    as long as the election is still held

    Holy crap! What did THAT mean?

  • 588. James  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    I agree, Rutherford. You must have missed my comment about Dr. Elwyn Taylor’s theories. He is ISU’s extension climatologist who is so widely respected his tax forms are audited each year to be sure his prouncements about crop production don’t profit him.He also owns a farm.

    He has predicted this for several years. We are part of several long-term cycles. An 89 year cycle is taking us back to the Dust Bowl around 2025. We are overdue for the culmination of an 18 year drought cycle which has now started.

    Two paleontologists discovered that 5,000 years ago the southern plains were so dry the Indians and buffalo fled. It was so dry for 200 years that the Nebraska Sand Hills blew free with no grass to hold them. No one knows if those extremes are part of a cycle. but if they happened once, they can happen again.

    They discovered that over the past 10,000 years, a quarter to half of the time was too harsh for Indians given their technology of the time. The researchers said the climate will become dryer in about a hundred years. Meanwhile, this is as good as it gets.

    Dr. Taylor said drought is becoming the new norm in the desert Southwest and other parts of the Rockies.

    This is only predicated on known past changes, not surprises.

    So, yes, we may be royally screwed.

    It is supposed to reach 100 hear today also. We are breaking records for largest number of consecutive 90 + degree days. Many 110 degree records were set in the thirties. We are headed back to the thirties.

  • 589. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Actually Muffy, we were probably constructing those posts at the same time and you briefly touch on my reasoning. I thought your answer was absolutely correct, though I thing you have accurately described the symptoms but the problem goes much deeper.

    I most always find you a wise lady.

    I will share with you when I get the chance.

  • 590. James  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    545
    Yes, Chis Rock is successful. I do want him as president—of Latvia.

  • 591. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Interesting, James. I agree with you. I think climatology, like the human body and the explanations of our universe, so incredibly complex and profound, that we are only beginning to understand its ramifications.

    But if we want to attempt to really understand our climate, and get away from this stupid pseudo religion that profoundly ignorant econazis have formulated, my suggestion would be to revert back to our basic chemistry and determine first what puts “the work” into our “system” to man the entropy.

    For you non scientific liberals, if there is sun today at your locale, I suggest you take a good look at the sky and stare. :wink: That will be your first hint.

  • 592. Newt or no newt  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    “Alfie the big problem with Walsh’s approach is that it takes place against the backdrop of the GOP’s almost sickening worship of soldiers. Within the past year we’ve had GOPhers boo a gay serviceman on television and now besmirch a Corporal who lost body parts defending her country. Yet, let any lib say squat about a soldier and they are labeled a traitor or worse.” Exactly! I rather thought the troops here would like to correct the liberals’ impression that the right does not support our military and has in recent years actually went so far as to humiliate and berate actual heroes.
    R. originally I discreetly ordered Christian relationship books using that email address, after all my marriage wasn’t protected under the Constitution, but after gay marriage was made legal in Iowa, of all places, I switched strategies. But I am kind of putout that I have to take personal responsibility for the state of my marriage.

  • 593. muffy  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    I thought this was a decent article in response to the peevish tweets about the hard birth of our country. A nativity that didn’t stop with the promise written of in the Declaration of Independence.

    Nothing earth-shattering or highly charged, just food for thought for the unsatisfied and the ungrateful. (Without calling them that :) )

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/an-america-worth-celebrating/2012/07/04/gJQAHYOdNW_blog.html#pagebreak

  • 594. muffy  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Newt, what’s a Christian relationship book? I mean, name a couple so I know what we’re talking about here.

  • 595. nagic  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Rutherford #516

  • 596. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    The gay serviceman on television took the opportunity to promote gay marriage. Newt is acting like he stepped on stage and the booing started. Contrary to popular myth, gay marriage is not as favored as the media would like us to believe by the general populace – and why it’s record to date of being defeated when put to a public vote is about 30-0.

    The soldier deserved to be booed and I would have too had I been there. Being a soldier doesn’t excuse bad behavior anymore than what Jerry Lewis once said of the disabled: “Being disabled doesn’t prevent you from being an asshole.”

    Would you have approved Newt, if our soldier boy had stood up and started stumping for Mitt Romney? Or would you have started shrieking with the rest of the leftist banshees? Let’s not kid ourselves.

    Now why don’t you take a stab at defending the Left’s clear double standards of what constitutes torture and war criminals, shall we dear?

  • 597. El Tigre  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    “Damn, if only I could write fiction, I’d get started on a manuscript.”

    From what I’ve seen around here it seems you do a damn fine job of it. :lol:

  • 598. James  |  July 5, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Newt or no newt. Since you are angry at some rightist attacks on the soldiers, what do you think of the Democrats’ “slow bleed” strategy which intended to retain the status quo so more of our troops and more Iraqis would die . John Murtha said the continued deaths would help Democrats win the 2008 election.

    “Iowa of all places”? Google Iowa Nice on Youtube and educate yourself as you laugh. Rutherford enjoyed the video.

    “almost sickening worship of our soldiers”? Why is it sickening? It is a good thing and is a reaction to the welcome soldiers of my generation endured when we came home. Even if it is an over reaction to the past, I like it.

    Yes, Tex, lets all look at the sky and understand what drives our climate, at least in part..

    I think of entropy on each birthday.

  • 599. Newt or no newt  |  July 5, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Muffy, we aren’t talking about them, we are talking about government interference in the bedroom, but if you think a Christian relationship book would be helpful to your marriage, I’ll list a couple of Books. “God’s Prescription for Enhancing Your Love Life” and “When God Writes Your Love Story.”

  • 600. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    James, one of the biggest problems I have with the Newt types, much like Rutherford in some persuasion though not this particular one, is their incredibly selective memory.

    Perhaps Newt needs a reminder of what exactly our fine liberal writers think of the military?

    Newt, do you remember William Arkin, former “crack” military analyst for NBC News?

    The article has somehow “disappeared” from Pravda on the Potomac formerly known as the Washington Post. I would remind you before being run out of town, Arkin referred to the U.S. military as mercenaries, amongst a whole other host of insults.

  • 601. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    We are talking about government interference in the bedroom,

    Baloney. I don’t think there’s a person here interfering with you kissing as many twats as you wish in your own bedroom as you vagina dialogue. Might even make me jealous.

    What we are interfering with is a bunch of militant homosexuals and assorted deviants trying to redefine what constitutes at a minimum 8,000 years of the definition marriage.

    Many if not most of us are not real hip on the idea of further slouching toward Gomorrah.

    Let’s get that straight like a good erection right up front.

  • 602. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Imagine Tex talking sociological babble!!! Who woulda thunk it?

  • 603. muffy  |  July 5, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Self-help books are stupid.

    Rutherford, I did think of you when I was psychoanalyzing the Hollywood formula and how dumb it sounds when you do that re: conservatives. :lol:

    (Just teasing you.)

  • 604. muffy  |  July 5, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Nice shot, Tigre (#596). Badum psh.

  • 605. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 5, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Perhaps Newt needs a reminder of what exactly our fine liberal writers think of the military?

    Ted. Rall.

    Stephen. “I’ve only ever written one novel worth a damn” King.

    Two shining examples among many.

  • 606. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    illusions of grandeur.

    OK smart-ass, add this to your list of my constantly correcting you. It’s delusions of grandeur, not illusions. I figure if you’re gonna falsely accuse me of being a grammar and spelling scold I might as well get some mileage out of it.

    I’m a bit disturbed that Alfie leans toward discrediting the D veterans on the list. But then I don’t know what the rules are. Are we measuring their service or their behavior after coming home?

    John McCain’s immediate post war behavior was reprehensible, dumping a wife who patiently waited for him to come home because she was no longer a beauty queen. I have no reason to believe that his personal life speaks to a man of honor. I will admit he has shown glimmers of courage politically.

    Allen West is indeed a man of clear conviction. So was Charlie Manson. West is as nutty as a Christmas fruit cake. But I will hand this to Tex, I don’t see West compromising on his “principles”. Just last night I watched him taking questions from a panel of citizens assembled by Frank Luntz (YES I was watching Fox News). When one dude, a Republican, asked him about the 70 Communists in the Democratic party, West stuck to his guns.

    I don’t know enough about the late Murtha to know why he deserves scorn but I do know he’s very unpopular in some circles.

    Kerry served his country with honor, came back and had the nerve to speak the truth about Vietnam. Some folks have trouble with the truth.

    Duckworth is part Thai. Bet you dollars to donuts if she were a blue eyed blond, Walsh would shut his trap.

  • 607. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    I most always find you a wise lady.

    Why should that surprise? Muffy, bless her heart, is the first woman on this blog to consistently come to your defense and she may well be the only woman on this blog that you haven’t tried to tear asunder at some time or another.

    P.S. FWIW Muffy, I find you wise also, despite our political differences.

  • 608. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    my suggestion would be to revert back to our basic chemistry and determine first what puts “the work” into our “system” to man the entropy.

    Is this an acknowledgement on your part that perhaps some “honest” scientific study is called for?

  • 609. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    Allen West is indeed a man of clear conviction. So was Charlie Manson. West is as nutty as a Christmas fruit cake. But I will hand this to Tex, I don’t see West compromising on his “principles”. Just last night I watched him taking questions from a panel of citizens assembled by Frank Luntz (YES I was watching Fox News). When one dude, a Republican, asked him about the 70 Communists in the Democratic party, West stuck to his guns.

    Communist, socialist, “progressive”…its really all about redistributing the fruits of someone else’s labor at the point of a gun, now isn’t it?

    http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/can-we-call-them-democrat-socialists-now/

  • 610. muffy  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Way to put down a compliment, Rutherford. Teach me that cross red face emoticon.

    And it’s not that you’re a constant grammar scold but without an edit feature it strikes me that any and all such digs are unfair, And you know how you liberals are about fairness. Just the other day I caught a “you’re” instead of “your” that I made and couldn’t do a damn thing about it.

  • 611. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Muffy, while I think there is much wisdom in the article you posted, I’d counter that Chris Rock was just serving the same purpose as Elie Wiesel. Don’t EVER let them forget.

  • 612. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Muffy, Rutherford has once again conveniently forgotten not only did we once have a debate about illusions of grandeur vs. delusions of grandeur, both which are acceptable, and an argument Rutherford already lost, but I used this in comment #506: :smile:

    You want to see the epitome of a distraught feminist, suffering from delusions of grandeur believing she’s a hero and the GOP has declared war on Jesus Obama veterans?

  • 613. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Muffy … you’re absolutely right … I can quickly edit any boo boo that goes across the transom while the rest of you cannot. Besides, it really is the content that matters here, not the typos.

    As for “delusions of grandeur” I just couldn’t resist slapping Tex with that one since he so unfairly accused me of being spelling scold … really kinda pissed me off. I don’t mind when folks dog me for my faults of which I have many, but I get really pissed when folks go after Imaginary Rutherford. :neutral:

  • 614. El Tigre  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    “Don’t EVER let them forget.”

    Who is “them?”

  • 615. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Regarding 611 … I forgot that debate Tex. I stand corrected. I must have been suffering from illusions of grandeur when I scolded you. ;-)

  • 616. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Is this an acknowledgement on your part that perhaps some “honest” scientific study is called for?

    Truly a brilliant statement – from a know nothing, mathematician who scored so poorly at math, even Hawwvard couldn’t inflate the grades – Hola Papi Rutherford, our born again sociologist. :wink:

    Is there any you could provide an addendum to your statement, Mr. Rutherford? Like maybe we can stop with the idiocy of man being able to control his environment and work on the basics of chemistry before I answer? You know, like maybe we start with sun to formulate our hypothesis instead of bowing to Mother Gaia?

  • 617. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Ah Noah … if only all your comments could be as brief as that last one. ;-)

    Noah, you’ve got me. Trump is a genius and Whittle is the insurgent leader we’ve all been looking for.

  • 618. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    From what I’ve seen around here it seems you do a damn fine job of it.

    I had a feeling that comment would get a rejoinder. Touche El Tigre. Or should that be Touche Le Tigre?

  • 619. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    Why should that surprise? Muffy, bless her heart, is the first woman on this blog to consistently come to your defense and she may well be the only woman on this blog that you haven’t tried to tear asunder at some time or another.

    Well, why should that come as some surprise?

    First, Muffy is a lady – a tough one – but a lady. Two, Muffy and I generally think alike; why wouldn’t we come to defense of each other? I mean, she’s much more charitable and nice than I am – even I’ll admit that. :twisted: Three, when is the last time you scolded Flake, Gypsy, Densico – who invariably came to your defense, at a cost of course. :grin:

    I love what passes for profundity in your circles, Brother ‘R’. Now is that due to me watching FOX and you watching E!MSNBC that you became superior in nature? Did some of Chaz rub off on you?

  • 620. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Oh, Brother “R”. I do give you credit. I can’t figure out if your hide simply that tough, or you have the patience of Job.

    You do share one common trait with the best wife in the world. Maybe two.

    She tolerates me for no apparent reason. And she hasn’t wised up and run my ass off yet.

  • 621. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    8,000 years of the definition marriage

    A constantly quoted bit of propaganda bullsh*t. Marriage as currently conceived dates back actually only a few 100 years tops.

  • 622. muffy  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Chris Rock could never handle being a woman.

    Rutherford, there is suffering. It goes on. It isn’t fair.

    I’m not on board so far as to give Rock a pass. Some folks – especially in Hollywood – just like to piss on anything that is dear to people.

  • 623. Rutherford  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Who is “them?”

    I suggest you ask Elie Wiesel first. Then I’ll be happy to give my answer. ;-)

  • 624. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Oh, one other thing. I’m not implying you’re a spelling and grammar scold. That was simply a failed attempt at humor. You don’t spell Anthony Weiner right either most of the time. :wink: I was simply prodding your preening, because you gave me unmerciful crap one night that I spelled Marc Rubio.

    I swear I wasn’t falsely accusing you of anything else. You’ve got a gazillion major faults – being a spelling scold isn’t one of them.

    You know what amazes me about you, Brother “R’? It’s the shit I’ll say that doesn’t piss you off or passes right over your head, and you nod. It leaves me scratching my head. WTH? That was supposed to peeve him to no end.

    I just knew the other day you were going to come back and accuse me of being first cousin to David Duke. :lol:

    And then I’ll dink you with something meaningless and you go apoplectic. Claire’s one of you heroes. I figured that name was engraved upon your dear little black heart.

  • 625. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    A constantly quoted bit of propaganda bullsh*t. Marriage as currently conceived dates back actually only a few 100 years tops.

    Is that why God made Eve for Adam? To Adam could marry Cain or one of the ever present Neanderthals – you know, they only died out about 50 years ago.

    Wait a minute. I’m doing Harvard math and making a mess of things. Let me consult this Princeton sociology book for reference.

  • 626. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    “For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and the two shall be become one flesh. This mystery is great: but I am speaking concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless, let each individual among you also love his own wife even as himself; and let the wife see to it that she respect her husband.”

    Do you see anything plural in that? Hmmm…

    How about this?

    Mark 10:6-8:”But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, ‘and the two shall become one flesh'; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh.

    Anything plural?

    How about something a little older?

    “Then the Lord God said, ‘It is not good for a man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him’.” Genesis 2:18

    That’s probably older than a 100 years I figure.

    So you can see why indeed the issue of marriage is something simply more than opinion to us Christians.

    So why don’t you show me when and where the definition of marriage constituted something other than male and female, and we will examine it.

  • 627. nagic  |  July 5, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    Canada Rutherford…Canada. You made claims…I stood up to them…then you developed amnesia.

  • 628. nagic  |  July 5, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Rutherford’s obvious fixation with Gays aside, why put so much worry into a group that represented less than 1% of the population.

  • 629. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 5, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    Muffy, while I think there is much wisdom in the article you posted, I’d counter that Chris Rock was just serving the same purpose as Elie Wiesel. Don’t EVER let them forget.

    Because there is soooooo much similarity there.

    *There is currently no living American slave (aside from taxpayers); there are still survivors of the Holocaust.

    *Those survivors have had to endure people who hate them because of their religion actively deny that the Holocaust ever happened; no one denied that slavery occurred, and it is still cited today by lefties as the raison d’etre for the American Civil War.

    But then, I’m sure that ol’ Chris was just reminding us, because with 700,000+ Americans dead in the conflict that was to have freed them and the fact that he makes a remarkably good living being an unfunny douchenozzle, and enjoys the freedom that comes with making that kind of money, I’m sure that we were all likely to forget.

    Next, you’re going to be bleating about “reparations”.

  • 630. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 5, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    A constantly quoted bit of propaganda bullsh*t. Marriage as currently conceived dates back actually only a few 100 years tops.

    Please to define “as currently conceived”.

  • 631. El Tigre  |  July 5, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Gorilla and anyone else, what do you make of this Pakistan pucker up while I “drop trou” maneuver?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/04/world/asia/pakistan-opens-afghan-routes-to-nato-after-us-apology.html?pagewanted=all

  • 632. Alfie  |  July 5, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    @630 It was actually drawn out farther than it had to be which made things worse.

  • 633. El Tigre  |  July 5, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Alfie, I’m conflicted. Good move or egg on our faces?

  • 634. James  |  July 5, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Kerry did not speak the truth about Vietnam. He lied. His testimony portrayed our troops as the equivalent of Ghengis Khan. Of course, our troops did bad things, but so did the other side. it was war.

    Kerry contributed to the nation’s perception of Vietnam soldiers as baby killers He was a traitor to his brothers and sisters in arms. When a group of veterans threw their medals over the White House wall, he pretended to have thrown his, but he kept them.

    Kerry deserted his men in Vietnam. His minor wounds bought him an early ticket home via a loop hole. Had he not found it and applied he would have remained in Vietnam. A real man would have stayed with his troops to the end. I don’t believe Kerry’s wounds were even severe enough to make him a disabled veteran. I am a disabled veteran but not so badly to collect money.

    Even so, I am still fit and have a good grip. My hands protected me, and I can still fanticise about squeezing his scrawny long neck until the life leaves his body. I would never do it, but thinking about putting him into the role of someone else long gone would put me to sleep better than a sleeping pill.

    Please don’t mention Kerry again, Rutherford. If you do I will launch another tirade about that elitist nancy boy.

  • 635. dead rabbit  |  July 5, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Lets torture Rutherford for 5 years in a jungle on the other side of the world, cut off from everyone, sometimes burying him up to his neck, sometimes keeping him in a small cage for monthes at a time and then judge him “reprehensible” when his marriage falls a part upon his return.

    Seriously dude. Reprehensible? I mean yeah, maybe the man was uncool. But out of all the divorces you ignore, it’s McCain’s that you deem worthy of judging?

  • 636. Newt or no newt  |  July 5, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    IMPORTANT: Check this out before next Tuesday. https://forms.fbi.gov/check-to-see-if-your-computer-is-using-rogue-DNS

  • 637. James  |  July 5, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    628

    Speaking or rearations, I heard Obama say sometimes before 2008 that he supported reparations, but he knew they were politically impossible. He suggested that his health insurance plan would be the next best thing. it would help poor blacks and rich whites would pay for it.

    Chris Rock is a Putz.

    “Those survivors have had to endure…” So did many other people. Germans, Irish, Asians, Indians, Finns and others. The Soviets killed as many as 20 million Ukrainians, and the Chinese Communists murdered even more. Its the nature of our species.

    Leftists who say we fought the Civil War over slavery are wrong. It was a conflict between two economic and political systems fighting for supremacy. Geography dictated that the North would win because the southern plantation system met a wall in Texas. Lincoln freed the slaves as a war measure.

    Its odd about their selective memories isn’t it Tex?

  • 638. James  |  July 5, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    While we are on the subject, the Obama campaign mocked McCain because he couldn’t use a computer. The wanted to show that the old man was out of touch with modern technology.

    In fact, McCain couldn’t manipulate his fingers sufficiently well to use a computer. I don’t think the Obama campaign ever appollogised. They are a bunch of sick bastards.

  • 639. James  |  July 5, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    I forgot to write torture made McCain’s fingers too clumsy.

  • 640. James  |  July 5, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Thanks Newt or no newt. Are you sure the FBI site is real? Someone should check.

  • 641. PFesser  |  July 5, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    “Who’s the zipperhead that wrote that thing? Hopefully not one of your respected “lawyer” friends.

    I have no respected lawyer friends – just lawyer friends.

  • 642. Newt or no newt  |  July 5, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Do you trust MSNBC that is where I got the information from, my computer checked out fine. Just click on the URL next to English.

  • 643. PFesser  |  July 5, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    “What an ignorant oaf. It is a tax on those who do not purchase health insurance and fall within a certain income. Do you know what the estimate is? 1% of Americans will pay the tax.”

    Really? How interesting. Guess what the estimate was in 1913 of the percentage of Americans who would have to pay when the income tax was first imposed…and guess what the rates were…

    Can you name me any tax that was EVER stopped at its initial estimate? While I’m thinking about it, wanna talk about the estimated cost of Medicare?

    C’mon Rutherford – to quote you – you’re smarter than that.

  • 644. El Tigre  |  July 5, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    “I have no respected lawyer friends – just lawyer friends.”

    Keep a hand on you wallet. :lol:

  • 645. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    I heard a staggering couple of facts tonight. I am sure I heard this right.

    In 1984, 85% of working Americans paid some form of federal tax. In 2011, 51% of working Americans paid some form of federal tax.

    The second one is even more of an indictment on the failure of big government – a government that has now taken control of our health care mind you, which has spent $16 trillion dollars to solve poverty under the guise of ‘Great Society’ with giveaways over 40 years and not made a dent in poverty, and loses literally billions lost every year in medicare and medicaid fraud – some estimates as high as 30% of payout.

    Get this. In 1992, there were approximately 3.3 million Americans collecting federal disability. Currently, there are 8.4 million Americans drawing disability.

    Here is the bottom line guys and gals. We as a country are bankrupt due to the gross incompetence of our state and federal governments. Anybody that would tell us government is both effective and efficient in its fiduciary responsibility is stupid – certainly insane, and so foolish not worth listening to. They are leeches, parasites and bums – no different than thieves who would kick in your front door and steal your possessions.

    Did I add that almost 1 person in 6 is now living off unearned entitlements – i.e, food stamps.

    It is so obvious that the only possible way Barack Obama can win this election is to buy the vote, to pander with promises he can’t possibly keep, to lie, cheat, intimidate, and steal by redistribution. And that is what Barack Obama is currently undertaking with executive privilege and he did for his first two years with total control.

    I have no idea how good a President Mitt Romney would be. It is possible he could be serious about shrinking the government.

    But I know for a fact that if we continue with men like Barack Obama in authority, it is imminent that our system will collapse and soon.

  • 646. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    I’m thinking about it, wanna talk about the estimated cost of Medicare?

    Last I heard, Pfesser?

    About 842% over what was initially estimated.

  • 647. Tex Taylor  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    One thing I do disagree with you, Pfesser.

    C’mon Rutherford – to quote you – you’re smarter than that.

    Rutherford is fun guy. I enjoy his ‘company’. He writes well, has interesting points, I would even call him intelligent in the academic sense. I have a grudging respect for his tolerance, his patience, and his adherence to free speech which he practices daily with me. :wink:

    But the one thing Rutherford most definitely not is, is perceptively wise. Rutherford may be the most deluded person on his own blog. I say that in all seriousness. Rutherford is not a loon and oaf like many of the leftist who frequent here.

    But he is so sure, so confident, that this road of good times and easy living never ends, that he is willing to stake his own well being that nothing can change that would impact him so negatively that he couldn’t work through it. And therefore, Rutherford can do as he pleases without much consequence. When I have charged him with this foolishness, Rutherford’s response is always the same – scoffing followed by charges me being melodramatic.

    Even God couldn’t sink the Titanic.

    I’m afraid he is not better than that. Rutherford is past the point of no return, I’m afraid. The pattern was established long ago.

  • 648. Alfie  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    @ El Tigre, well don’t get me wrong I’m pretty conflicted when it comes to our relationship with Pakistan but I felt an earlier “Oops our bad” on the raid that killed the Paki-troops would not have been out of line.
    I thank those who tossed out thoughts on the assorted polite-vets. Interesting and supportive of a couple of thoughts I had regards perceptions.
    Please if anyone else wants to add something the “quiz” is @ #581

  • 649. Alfie  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    P.S. to 647 part I….
    I am interested about why now is the time we make nice with Islamabad and reestablish the routes. Big pullout? New OP? ??

  • 650. dead rabbit  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Tex, if they ever show up to bar code my family my boys are going out like Uday and Quesay Hussein except their old man wont be hiding in a spider hole. I’ll be manning the Winchester Speed Pump.

  • 651. dead rabbit  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    I just spent the last nine hours taking care of my 1 year old nephew, soon to be 3 year old son, and 6 week old son. I’m not sure what was worse. When they were all lovingly interested in one another or as hostile to one another as the middle east. At one point I slammed a 22 ounce of piss warm beer just to keep my sanity. I’m covered in breast milk, spit up, drool, pan cake syrup, shit and baby powder. I’m too tired to even shower.

  • 652. dead rabbit  |  July 5, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    I took a hilerious picture of all four of us Rabbit motherfuckers wearing wife beater tee shirts. Everyone of our faces look like we want to beat some ass, particularly my 6 week old who is a professional malcontent. Old marching songs are the only thing that soothed him. My wife’s tits are infected with thrush and look like they are ravaged with lepersey. Oh, but my little guy is “viable” I’m told and at this point the mother no longer has to choose the baby over her body.

  • 653. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:28 am

    Tex I submit you’re conflating the pairing of man and woman with the institute of marriage as we know it today.

    If I took a class on Christianity the one thing I’d wanna know is why the Biblical prohibition against homosexuality? In ancient times it was far more accepted than in the 20th century. I find it hard to believe that in Christ’s time there wasn’t a whole lot of it going on with no secrecy whatsoever.

  • 654. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:41 am

    Rutherford’s obvious fixation with Gays aside, why put so much worry into a group that represented less than 1% of the population.

    Believe me, I’m not fixated. I think it’s fair to say I’m one of the most tolerant folks on this board regarding sexual preference. I was most definitely trying to push your buttons and honestly Noah, and I’ll say it again, calling me a bitch is about as gay as calling me “girlfriend”. It’s just a very odd turn of phrase for a straight guy. Using it as a verb is totally different (although perhaps just as offensive to the fairer sex).

    And really … 1%? First I think that’s an underestimate but even if you’re right are you saying that the smaller the minority the less they deserve our respect and common decency?

    Regarding Canada, fine you’ve tossed loads of evidence my way that their system sucks. ASSuming that you think our system is the best the world has to offer, how would you react to video after video and stat after stat suggesting that our system sucks?

    The bottom line is if you look for discontent Canadians, you’ll find them. If you look for Canadians perfectly happy with their system, you’ll find them too. And yes, I repeat what I said that prompted your barrage of “evidence” — you’re no expert on Canadian health care. You’ve bought the horror stories and ignored the good ones. Or maybe the Canadians I’ve talked to over the past couple of years were just delusional?

  • 655. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:50 am

    I mean yeah, maybe the man was uncool.

    Rabbit you put me in McCain’s shoes. Now let me put you in the shoes of McCain’s ex-father-in-law. How “uncool” do you think first wife’s Daddy thought it was when old Johnny came marching home again and dumped his daughter who had been disfigured (I think in an auto accident)? If you were first wife’s Daddy, would you simply find it “uncool” or would you consider the dude a scumbag?

  • 656. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:04 am

    In fact, McCain couldn’t manipulate his fingers sufficiently well to use a computer.

    Sorry James that sounds like Disneyland fantasy to me. The man had fingers … even if he had to type with just two of them, if he found computers of interest, he would have used them. I love you man (in a manly sort of way) but that comment was just absurd. No apology was needed. It was pretty clear that McCain was a bit of a fuddy-duddy when it came to computers.

    P.S. My oldest friend has severe cerebral palsy and types on the computer with a pencil mounted to his head. Folks who want to use computers, do it. Hell …. Stephen Hawking does it.

  • 657. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:07 am

    James, I know better than to get into arguments with Nam vets. You guys went through hell both there and back at home. I just have one question for you … why didn’t Kerry get a deferment if he was such a slug? He served while Cheney stayed home.

  • 658. dead rabbit  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:10 am

    Dude. What did you vaguely hear once that the ancient world was into homo shit and now work under the assumption the ancient world was one monolithic culture. You’re fricking ignorant sometimes.
    As for Mccain’s father in law, I’m sure I wouldn’t be happy about the situation. However, I bet the whole lot of his friends and family were wondering who McCain would be after going through what he did. He divorced his wife after being tortured for 5 years. And she is ugly as hell now with a relationship that probably felt awkward as hell to boot? Seriously, can you look in the mirror and garuntee you would stay married, under those conditions? I’m saying it was cool. I’m saying I don’t know how I would handle it and reserve judgement. Plenty of aweful shallow divorces out there, man. The fact this is the one that pisses you off kind of shows your MSNBC hamd.

  • 659. dead rabbit  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:13 am

    I meant to say it wasn’t cool. Damn phone.

  • 660. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:16 am

    Rabbit, you’re covered in breast milk? You are a wife’s dream husband … a dude who volunteers to lactate to take the stress off the better half.

    My hat’s off to you dude! :-)

    P.S. Just how much do those hormone treatments cost?

  • 661. nagic  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:21 am

    If I took a class on Christianity the one thing I’d wanna know is why the Biblical prohibition against homosexuality?

    The purpose of a union is to have children and raise a family. In a homosexual relationship children are not possible thus defeating the purpose.

    And really … 1%? First I think that’s an underestimate but even if you’re right are you saying that the smaller the minority the less they deserve our respect and common decency?

    No being less than 1% means give it the attention it is due and no more. I am tired of this small taking up some much time on the national stage when their are far more pressing concerns. The numbers are accurate.

    I repeat what I said that prompted your barrage of “evidence” — you’re no expert on Canadian health care.

    I never claimed I was. You needed to make a point of that to distract from the topic. The point is their style of health care creates a ton of issues and should not be looked upon with such envy. The point was the the government does not do it better, it never has. This point is so well proven we should not even have to talk about it. It is why we are against government run health care.

    Obamacare is flawed in concept and it will be a massive failure as it is implemented. As Tex pointed out, less are paying into the system than ever before. More are taking from he system than ever before. There is no possible way we can afford this. It will bankrupt us.

    As China is about to experience its own economic meltdown, as our infrastructures continue to fail on a massive level, as city after city files for bankruptcy, as country after country in Europe fails, do you really want our resources stretched so thin that we don’t stand a chance of riding it out? Don’t you see all of these poor you claim you care about will lose everything? When it goes, and it will go, they will have no health care, they will have no food stamps, they will have no social security. I think you are being incredibly sort sighted, and incredibly selfish.

  • 662. dead rabbit  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:22 am

    Lol. The hormones didn’t work for me. Tufts of Slavic hair blocked the milk.

  • 663. nagic  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:25 am

    why didn’t Kerry get a deferment if he was such a slug? He served while Cheney stayed home.

    These kind of arguments are why I consider you to be a joke. You do not have the capacity to make a point, without putting someone else down. Whatever Kerry did or did not do, Cheney is irrelevant, kind of like you are becoming as people figure out what you are really about.

  • 664. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:28 am

    Rabbit let’s face it, the marriage probably wasn’t worth sh*t in the first place. I don’t get your torture angle. If I were tortured for five years I’d want to be back with my wife so badly it would be indescribable. McCain himself has said he wasn’t proud of his behavior immediately after Nam so even he can acknowledge the character flaw.

    Putting aside the tabloid account of his calling Cindy a c*nt, more credible reports say that he was often short with her in public. Sorry dude, I stick by my first assessment. I suspect the guy ain’t very nice to women in his personal life. And again, I do think he has showed some courage politically from time to time. Probably in ways that would get him labeled RINO by most of the folks on this board.

  • 665. nagic  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:29 am

    Oh and one last thing before I go into bed….

    Noah, and I’ll say it again, calling me a bitch is about as gay as calling me “girlfriend”.

    Walk into the projects, any into any of the poorer black neighborhoods, walk up to a black man, get about an inch from his face, look him in the eye and call him a bitch. After he is done beating your uncle tom ass up and down the street, ask him if he thought you were calling him his girlfriend.

  • 666. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:35 am

    Noah, I was contrasting someone who served who’s gotten lots of heat for it with someone who didn’t …. and was party to sending thousands of young men and women to their death … and gets a total pass for it from conservatives like you. I want to understand where James is coming from. I want to know if James gives Kerry any points at all for going in the first place when surely he probably had the connections to stay out of it.

    “As people figure out what you are really about” — in the words of the Gipper, there you go again. You’re still the new boy on the block Noah. Most of these guys know me already far better than you ever will so stop speaking for the “people”. If you haven’t noticed most of the “people” here have already drawn their conclusions about me for better or worse.

  • 667. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:44 am

    Regarding 664 OMG you are thick as a brick Noah. And the worst part is before I hit “Post comment” I thought I might need to be clearer for your comprehension skills but I ignored my instincts.

    calling me a bitch is about as gay as calling me “girlfriend”. I didn’t say calling me bitch was the same as calling me girlfriend. I was suggesting that bitch was the nasty name (gay) you would call me and “girlfriend” was the friendly name (gay) you would call me. Both turns of phrase make you sound, in the words of Romney, severely gay. I should have made it explicit.

    But I notice one thing from your ghetto scenario … you know that calling me a bitch should get you a punch in the face. So why do it?

  • 668. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:51 am

    Do you trust MSNBC that is where I got the information from

    Oh Newt … how that one got past my League of Vermin Voters is beyond me. No, they don’t trust MSNBC. In fact, I am about the only one here who watches it and believes most of what I see there.

    They claim not to watch Fox News … but you’d never know it from the rhetoric they spew here.

  • 669. dead rabbit  |  July 6, 2012 at 3:10 am

    The cunt thing is so lame I can’t believe you even continue to mouth it. I have absolutely no comment about an argument a guy may or may not have had with his wife.

    Sometimes its really obvious that your sheltered life influences your empathy. Do you realize what being a POW in Nam entails? I suggest you read the book a Code to Keep. It was mandatory reading by the Marines. You realize guys crack as POW’s? If you really think being a POW in Nam wouldn’t be a SEVERE stresser on your marriage, more power to you, guy. Many do, infact, pick up where they left off. Considering what McCain went through in particular, I wouldn’t have the confidence that I could come back and be a decent spouse. I hope I would.

  • 670. PFesser  |  July 6, 2012 at 3:29 am

    “My wife’s tits are infected with thrush and look like they are ravaged with lepersey. Oh, but my little guy is “viable” I’m told and at this point the mother no longer has to choose the baby over her body.”

    Treat the tits and hook your boy back up – for as long as possible. Cow milk is for cow babies. Human babies, especially those with ANY problems, need human milk. The goodies therein have yet to be enumerated. Best thing you can do for your little buddy is to encourage breast feeding. Good for your wife’s potential post-partum lard-ass also. Every pound of fatty stuff that goes to the Boy comes from her; soon she’ll be thin and svelte again and a perfect enticement to Make Another Baby. Or just attack for personal satisfaction.

    Personally I would like to see the sonofabitch that invented infant formula scourged through the streets and then forced to drink that damned stuff until he died.

  • 671. PFesser  |  July 6, 2012 at 3:45 am

    “I think it’s fair to say I’m one of the most tolerant folks on this board regarding sexual preference.”

    Maybe so, since I count two of us. Well, maybe three…

    To my eye it doesn’t make sense to decry a practice that has been retained by evolution for a very, very long time, just because you don’t know why. There is obviously some survival benefit, since (well, except for making state troopers), anal sex does not lead to reproduction, and in theory they should be bred out of the population in one generation. (But they are not, are they? I wonder why.)

    “In fact, McCain couldn’t manipulate his fingers sufficiently well to use a computer.”

    Apparently he couldn’t manipulate a stick and rudder too well either. How many planes did he lose before taking a rocket up the rump? Two, three? Academically (fifth, sixth?) from the bottom, in a class of ~ 900? I think his fingers are the least of his problems. If his dad and grand-dad weren’t high-ups in the navy, he wouldn’t have been flying at all the day he was shot down.

    I would like to pull the panties off his daughter, however…I guess he has some redeeming characteristics.

  • 672. PFesser  |  July 6, 2012 at 4:05 am

    “The purpose of a union is to have children and raise a family. In a homosexual relationship children are not possible thus defeating the purpose.”

    Really?

    Then I suppose it is non-biblical for two old people to marry, since they cannot have children. Of course, anybody who has been sterilized cannot marry either. Or anybody who has physical illness that keeps them from breeding successfully.

    How about people like me and my wife, who have six kids between us from previous marriages, and decided to not have any together? We are voluntarily “sterilized” by birth control methods; we are actively choosing to not have any children, so that makes us worst of all, doesn’t it?

    As it happens, I know an Afghanistan vet – a local boy – who, at age twenty, had a “hind quarter” amputation thanks to the auspices of a roadside bomb. He has no dick, or an entire left lower extremity, for that matter. Should his cute twenty year-old wife divorce him and take the baby with her to find a Real Man, since his breeding days are over?

    Goddammit I try, Rutherford; I really do. But sometimes the Lord’s burden is more than a man can carry.

  • 673. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 5:17 am

    Apparently he couldn’t manipulate a stick and rudder too well either. How many planes did he lose before taking a rocket up the rump? Two, three? Academically (fifth, sixth?) from the bottom, in a class of ~ 900? I think his fingers are the least of his problems.

    :lol: You know, the same thought occurred to me some years ago, though I kept hushed during the 2008 election for fear of even a bigger flunky taking the wheel, which unfortunately came to pass. Obama was the Daniel Day Simpson aka D-Day of his graduating class. Mr. Barry Soetoro, “Has no grade point average…”

    How did a guy that ranked in the bottom 1% of his graduating class get to fly jets to begin with? I’m sure McCain’s daddy being an Admiral had nothing to do with it. I’m sure. May help to explain why he was in a Hanoi prison because flying the wrong way.

    But then Rutherford, whose biggest fear in life so far is not finding the remote in the couch, has a lot of nerve to chastise how somebody might act in a marriage after being REALLY tortured too.

    Rutherford, for a guy so ‘non judgmental’, that’s quite a leap of indictment even for you. Perhaps you can explain to us why Keith Olbermann has revealed himself to be quite the misogynist too? Was his torture being near Chaz those years?

  • 674. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 5:37 am

    To my eye it doesn’t make sense to decry a practice that has been retained by evolution for a very, very long time, just because you don’t know why. There is obviously some survival benefit, since (well, except for making state troopers), anal sex does not lead to reproduction, and in theory they should be bred out of the population in one generation. (But they are not, are they? I wonder why.)

    This comment makes absolutely sense, Pfesser. Perhaps it was said in jest.

    If not, you should rethink that. In fact, homosexuality is completely counter to your theory of evolution of eukaryotes, and in fact should be your first indicator that genetics probably has little if anything to do with homosexuality. By definition, homosexuality is a dead end, is it not?

    That is, unless you’re going to admit that evolution in and of itself in incapable in its ability to account for the origin of sexual (as opposed to asexual) reproduction, and the existence of a male and female within each species that reproduces sexually.

    I take your point on the purposes of marriage as I believe marriage only the best solution for reproduction – not the sole purpose. But I can not agree with your justification of homosexuality through some evolutionary means.

  • 675. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 5:38 am

    :oops: Make that “NO SENSE.”

    I think I blipped the NO there somewhere, as I am sure I typed it.

  • 676. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 5:52 am

    :lol: Seems another one of the Obama lackeys/tools/plants with purple hair and crazed eyes has been busted.

    As proof, I offer that I opened the Drudge Report to find that a sobbing woman “hugged” President Tax Mandate yesterday magnifying his great glory of passing the “Obama Mandated Tax Healthcare Plan.” It has received great press by the national media to fortify the magnificent of President D-Day, who has no grade point average.

    http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/07/sobbing-woman-thanks-obama-for-health-care-law-128125.html

    But less than 24 hours later, we discover that one Stephanie Miller of Sandusky, OH, has been found with wearing her treasured, “I heart Barack Obama” shirt under the moniker, “obamasbestfan.” :lol:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2903228/replies?c=17

  • 677. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 6:00 am

    Another fine moment of President Obama D-Day history. Give us more Solyndra!

    “America will never tap into educational innovation and ingenuity without looking at the model that we have in our Madrassas, in our schools where innovation is encouraged. Where the foundation is the Koran,” Rep. Andre Carson (D-Indiana) said at the ICNA-MAS convention at the end of May.

    Allahu Akbar, Brotha Rutherford. :wink:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/07/05/muslim_congressman_us_schools_should_be_modeled_after_madrasahs.html

  • 678. James  |  July 6, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Blog from the Core:

    John Kerry was probably listed as 1-A. He was near the head of the line, and he didn’t want to serve. He applied for a deferment to study for a year in France. The draft board denied his request.

    Kerry suddenly found a new love for the Navy, because he likely didn’t want to be drafted into the Army. He also said he volunteered for Swift boat duty because it was a fairly safe job. Its mission changed shortly before he assumed duty.

    Kerry was a failed draft dodger as I was. I really did want to go to grad school, and the proof is I earned my MA and 9 hours to a PHD after I came home. My acceptance to grad school with an assistanceship came the same day as my “greetings” letter. I had already signed papers with the Air Force because joining the Air Force is what our family did..The Army and the Air Force fought over my body and soul for two weeks.

    Chicken hawks like Cheney and Newt had better things to do when they hid from the most defining times of their lives. I have no respect for them as people, though they might have done some good later in their lives. They might even be good people, but to my mind, they may be indirect murderers. Each chicken hawk who cowered in grad school, parenthood, or whatever hole he crawled into sent someone in his place. I suspect some of the replacements died.

    I was a “civilian in uniform” as lifers called my type. I did my job and always earned the highest efficiency ratings possible. My superiors wanted me groomed for a higher slot in the corporation. As a medic I helped save a life. I’m proud of that, but I still feel shame.

    The foreign base was small and everyone knew everyone. A teenaged girl I knew was brought in half delerlious with a high fever. I stood by her gurney. “Am I going to die? I don’t want to die!” “you’ll be fine.” I patted her shoulder.

    “so desperate for someone
    I guess she thought that someone was me
    I let her down, its true.”

    Chris Isaak

    She had spinal meningitis and died two hours later. Then, we had other problems to worry about. They included the possibility of quaranteening ourselves.

    I lied to her and myself. I failed. We all did on that day. I understand the difference between emotional perception and reality, but emotions are stronger.

    Thanks a lot for bringing this up and reminding me. You ruined fifteen minutes of my day.

  • 679. James  |  July 6, 2012 at 8:59 am

    666

    I rank them lower than Kerry. Kerry failed because he didn’t stay with his men, and he insulted the memory of our warriors when he returned home.

    He did serve.

    I could also describe my feelings for this recent hero worship of our soldiers. Its good, but not what it seems.

  • 680. PFesser  |  July 6, 2012 at 9:20 am

    re: 674. We are at an impasse: You believe nothing is explained by evolution and take the continued presence of homosexuality as proof evolution itself is bogus.

    I believe evolution explains everything and take the continued presence of homosexuality as evidence that there is much we still don’t know about queerness, since it has not been bred out by evolution and therefore must be retained for a *reason*.

    One thing is for sure: I know too many queers to ever accept it as a “choice.” Unfortunately, the God people require it to be a choice so it can therefore be a sin and everything in the argument is consistent. Twist the facts to fit the argument. I don’t believe a word of it.

    And I really believe state troopers come from anal sex…LOL

  • 681. nagic  |  July 6, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Noah, I was contrasting someone who served who’s gotten lots of heat for it with someone who didn’t …. and was party to sending thousands of young men and women to their death … and gets a total pass for it from conservatives like you.

    I have given no one a total pass on anything. Quote me where I did or admit your lie. By your reasoning, your Messiah Hussein has done the same. Worse yet he targets families and orders t hem killed to get his bad guys, do you give him a pass?

    But I notice one thing from your ghetto scenario … you know that calling me a bitch should get you a punch in the face. So why do it?

    Its about time you asked. Because of the total lack of respect you show me and others on here by how you argue their points. We are taking of our time to type on your blog and in return you feed us all kinds of intellectually dishonest tactics in response. This is what makes you a bitch. And if me calling you that gives you images of man-ass, well to each their own I suppose.

    Too bad Obama changed his mind about taxing the middle class eh?

  • 682. James  |  July 6, 2012 at 9:59 am

    I believe evolution is an imperfect method for perpetuating life. I believe traits not necessary for survival may survive because they are irrelevant or at least they are insufficiently harmful to kill a species if other favorable elements predominate.

    How else can we explain pigment- challenged blonds, blue, green, or hazel eyes. Of course, cloudy, dark conditions in the north probably offered some survival value, but Asians managed to survive. Maybe blonds thrived for no other reason than that they were hot.

    Old people served a survival purpose. They were the collective memory which led clans to half forgotten food sources during hard times. They were also baby sitters and told stories to give the band a sense of identity and solidarity.

    Homosexually may also have served a purpose independently of reproduction. As populations grew it might have reduced male competition for females and reduced violence. Homosexuals would also have made good baby sitters etc. As religious leaders they would have transcended gender roles and identity.

    We occupy a continum. People near the transition line may have a choice. The Bible doesn’t condemn homosexuality. It condemns the practice, I believe.

    “And I really believe” blonds and light -eyed people were hot. Ha!.

  • 683. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 10:23 am

    There is obviously some survival benefit,

    Perhaps peace of mind? I’m no psychologist but I’d venture a guess most of our behavior is rationalized within ourselves as a survival measure.

  • 684. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Do you have to be a liberal to find something wrong with this situation?

    http://mentaldumpingground.com/2012/07/05/whats-wrong-with-america-justice-system/

  • 685. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Goddammit I try, Rutherford; I really do. But sometimes the Lord’s burden is more than a man can carry.

    I hear you brother. Sometimes “traditional values” can frustrate the hell out of a man.

  • 686. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 10:36 am

    You believe nothing is explained by evolution and take the continued presence of homosexuality as proof evolution itself is bogus.

    Contraire. I believe evolution helps to explain a great many things – immunity being but one.

    What I don’t believe is evolution in and of itself even remotely close to being capable of explaining life, the need of sexuality and gender, the abundance of life, its origins, its diversity, and our purpose. In fact, to say evolution responsible in and of itself for all that we see and experience, I believe makes a mockery of good science and rational thought. You believe my thoughts simplistic; I believe yours are. We can agree to disagree and not bore the hell out of the rest of the folk.

    I am sure sexuality is clearly a choice at some point as thousands of identical twins, one straight and one gay, have demonstrated. I cannot think offhand, of better empirical evidence of “a choice.”

    That’s not to say the “choice” was made completely voluntarily and that somewhere along the lines, physiological wiring of the impulse takes place in regions yet discovered. Sexuality in humans is incredibly involved and incredibly complex. That part which you and I so enjoy is simple, even animalistic; we like it that way. :wink:

    But the biological forces that got us there and dare I say “evolved” over a period of our formative years most certainly were not.

    I’m probably not the homophobe you might believe, Pfesser. I do believe homosexuality a mental illness of which there may be no cure medically. That puts me in the antagonistic position of the hip crowd. So be it. Like being called a racist, being called a homophobe bothers me not.

    But the biggest part of my schtick here is I do love to stoke a fire under Rutherford’s ass, often bursting his bubbles. I hope I haven’t left you with the impression I”m some fire breathing thumper and redneck with rod in hand to invoke wrath and administer punishment. Me being a huge blowhard, most of this is in jest.

  • 687. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 10:45 am

    But then Rutherford, whose biggest fear in life so far is not finding the remote in the couch,

    Damn, man how did you know? I can fly into quite the rage when I can’t find the remote and my daughter is notorious for leaving it anywhere but somewhere obvious.

    You know, and I’m not being deliberately difficult here, I just don’t understand the connection between being tortured and treating your wife like a discarded rag. Maybe my reaction would be different if the wife’s disfigurement wasn’t in the equation? McCain came back home, no doubt, with one helluva case of PTSD and yes I can see how that would be a strain on any marriage. But I have never read that a treatment for PTSD is to f*ck some blond who looks better than your now ugly wife. I’m sorry, I just can’t give him a pass on that one. You think life was a picnic for her while her husband was a POW?

    Tex, I hear you that it is unfair to judge until you’ve walked in the other man’s shoes. I’ve always found McCain a real riddle. Like I said, I have no doubt in my mind he’s a misogynist but when he told that crackpot that Obama was not an “Arab” he gained big points with me. Hell, I saw the man boo’d because he wouldn’t jump on the “Obama is a foreigner” bandwagon.

    He clearly has scruples. He just seems to lack consistency. (I’ve also never understood why he didn’t leave Hanoi when he had the chance. As I understand it, his daddy was brokering for his release and John refused to leave his “band of brothers” behind. Noble but in almost a nutty sort of way.)

  • 688. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Do you have to be a liberal to find something wrong with this situation?

    Unless there are extenuating circumstances, like a lifetime of theft and threat, yeah – there’s a huge problem with it. Some girl here in Oklahoma recently was handed a 40 year sentence for selling $32.00 worth of weed – first offense, I think. :roll: I was embarrassed to be called Okie.

    What do you mean, do you have to be a liberal? Nobody here has ragged on our pathetic justice system than I have. It’s grown so legalistic, unjust, gender corrupted, politicized, and without reason, I have zero faith in our legal system.

    But I also recognize the only cases I read are the insidious or outrageous.

    I don’t even know sometimes how good guys like Tigre and BIC don’t go postal over it. It would drive me insane with rage.

    I’ve been told about a zillion times, I should have been a court room attorney and run for office of some sort. And I always respond, “Are you kidding? I wouldn’t make round 1 without being disbarred by some judge I chastised, going public about my client’s guilt – fuck the privilege stuff, etc…calling the general populace a bunch of ignorant clucks, etc…”

  • 689. PFesser  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:02 am

    another boring farm story sent to me by my cousin:

    John was in the fertilized egg business. He had several hundred young layers (hens), called “pullets,” and 10 roosters to fertilize the eggs. He kept records, and any rooster not performing went into the soup pot and was replaced.

    This took a lot of time, so he bought some tiny bells and attached them to his roosters. Each bell had a different tone, so he could tell from a distance, which rooster was performing. Now, he could sit on the porch and fill out an efficiency report by just listening to the bells.

    John’s favorite rooster, old Butch, was a very fine specimen, but this morning he noticed old Butch’s bell hadn’t rung at all! When he went to investigate, he saw the other roosters were busy chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing, but the pullets, hearing the roosters coming, would run for cover.

    To John’s amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it couldn’t ring. He’d sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one.

    John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the Saint Lawrence County Fair, and he became an overnight sensation among the judges.

    The result was the judges not only awarded old Butch the “No Bell Piece Prize,” but they also awarded him the “Pulletsurprise” as well.

    Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making. Who else but a politician could figure out how to win two of the most coveted awards on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the unsuspecting populace and putting the screws to them when they weren’t paying attention?

    Vote carefully this fall; the bells are not always audible.

  • 690. El Tigre  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:06 am

    “I have zero faith in our legal system.”

    Mandatory sentencing guidelines are instituted by your legislatures guys.

    Tex, there’s a lot of injustice in the “justice” system. Unfortunately, I see the bulk of it from the legislative “fixes” rather than the existing law. But there’s no stripping the legal system of corruption and incompetence any more than the rest of humanity.

    Here’s a doozy I saw this morning from PF’s neck of the woods:

    http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/court_hearing_video_of_angry_jurist_shouting_shut_up_gains_youtube_traction/?utm_source=maestro&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly_email

  • 691. El Tigre  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:10 am

    p.s. our state judges are elected here. one of my biggest issues is the well-intentioned, but incompetent judges carrying political bias.

  • 692. nagic  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:14 am

  • 693. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Give us more Solyndra!

    10 reasons why jobs market even worse than weak June employment report

    http://news.investors.com/article/617140/201207060851/10-reasons-jobs-market-worse-than-june-report.htm

    Of course, all these truths will be overlooked and unmentioned by the Obama sycophants, the leftist indoctrinators and assorted freeloaders, unless somehow we can blame this on BushMcChimpyHitler and Darth Halliburton. Too bad cousin Thor had to go on vacation – we could use another one of those “Yeah, but…” type of excuses to make us all feel better about now.

    That this election should be even close to me is a far, far sadder commentary about the pitiful state of our nation than Barack Obama being President. Our country now lives in denial – it’s a matter of time before the wall comes tumbling down.

  • 694. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Regarding 676 I don’t get your “but” Tex. What is inconsistent about a sobbing Stephanie Miller also sporting an I heart Obama T shirt? What I found particularly disturbing were the comments under both your links suggesting Ms. Miller was a paid actress. As I’ve said before, the hatred for Obama knows no bounds.

  • 695. El Tigre  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:19 am

    R, you don’t know what the hell was going in McCain’s relationship with his wife. Gawd. You sound like a bored-housewife-gossip.

    And I’ll wager you were cheering for Bill after he got caught getting his dick sucked in the oval office. That’s a private matter between two consenting adults, right?

  • 696. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:21 am

    LOL … Tex decrying madrassas when he wouldn’t think twice about endorsing a Catholic school education. What a hucking fypocrite!

    Speaking of which …. I miss old Huck!

  • 697. PFesser  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:24 am

    ET –

    That is pretty bad, but nothing compared to the excesses of Judge Peatross in Albemarle County, VA. He has literally – and I mean “literally” literally – destroyed hundreds of lives. He is so bad and his sentences so long and above guidelines that the prosecutors at one point refused to bring cases before him. The PROSECUTORS. Yet, because he is a judge, he is, himself, apparently above the law.

  • 698. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Thanks a lot for bringing this up and reminding me. You ruined fifteen minutes of my day.

    James, certainly not my intention.

    Thank you for the perspectives on Kerry, Cheney and Gingrich. That Kerry tried unsuccessfully to avoid the draft was news to me. Perhaps he was just a punk.

    As for the dying girl, you did what any decent person would have done. You tried to give her hope in her last hours. There is no dishonor in that whatsoever.

    Again, my apologies for opening old wounds.

  • 699. El Tigre  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Pf, we’ve had some JQC counsel cleaning house in GA recently. If memory serves me right, about 12 were removed or resigned. Incredible stuff at the heart of the investigations — personal relationships with parties, improper conduct of the bench, bribes etc.

    No doubt judges can operate “above the law” but it does have some limits.

    However, it’s one of he reasons Holder is a stinking piece of shit and R’s defense of him with “it doesn’t really matter” so pathetic. The enforcer should never be above the law.

  • 700. El Tigre  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:38 am

    JQC = Judicial Qualifications Committee.

  • 701. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Noah I don’t know why we always have to get so semantic … an assumption is not a lie. I assumed you give Cheney a pass. If I am wrong, I stand corrected.

    We are taking of our time to type on your blog and in return you feed us all kinds of intellectually dishonest tactics in response.

    I’ll leave the “intellectually dishonest” part for another discussion but I do want to address the first part of your comment. I do value the folks who come here to chew the fat. In fact, while I hate to admit it, on those rare occasions when someone gets fed up and says “I need to take a break” or “I’m not coming back” it does pain me.

    On the other hand, I’m not hosting the G20 or a UN security council meeting here. I don’t view this blog with that level of gravity. I think I owe people honest answers within the bounds of my admittedly lazy research methods. I try to document FACTS but I fully reserve the right to pull OPINIONS out of my ass. I’m sorry if that offends you.

    I know some on the blog here get frustrated in arguments with me but I don’t think folks believe that I disrespect their time investment. Seriously, if any of you DO feel that way, I shall take it under advisement.

  • 702. nagic  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:51 am

    On the other hand, I’m not hosting the G20 or a UN security council meeting here.

    That’s kind of the point. No one here or anything that is said will have any impact on the world. And as the internet allows us some anonymity, why not let it all hang out, be proven right or wrong but just say it like it is? There is nothing gained by playing these little games that take the fun out of having a spirited argument.

  • 703. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:54 am

    I don’t even know sometimes how good guys like Tigre and BIC don’t go postal over it.

    I have zero doubt they have signed a deal with the devil … and I don’t mean that as a put-down. One has to use one’s skills to make a living. I imagine that both BiW and Tigre swallow real hard on many occasions when they see stuff go down that bothers them. They make the compromises they have to make to survive. To be clear, I’m not saying either of them is dishonest or engages in any of the injustice we see. I’m just saying by necessity of the profession I’m sure they turn a blind eye to things more often than they’d like to.

    Happens in corporate too. Tex, can you imagine going to work in corporate every day and saying what you really felt (e.g. “This six sigma stuff is bullsh*t”)? We wouldn’t last a week.

  • 704. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:58 am

    LOL PF corny but funny political fowl joke. :-)

  • 705. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Noah, believe it or not, I fully agree with your Abe quote from Facebook.

  • 706. dead rabbit  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    I find pfessor’s evolutionary stuff on homosexuality confusing. If it’s genetic, why don’t you find it dispersed throughout family trees like mental illness or heart disease. Why is it literally inconceivable in certain cultures? If it’s simply a social phenomenon and pfessor wonders it might have evolutionary utility or even that it’s benign enough not to be rooted out, what about serial killers, undie sniffers, sheep fuckers, kelptos, and pedophiles? It seems to me any behaivor umder the sun could be accepted as acceptable by the ol’ Darwin approach. If one is making the argument that corn holing another man is devient, I don’t see what evolution has to do with it.

  • 707. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Rutherford, I repeat my question

    A constantly quoted bit of propaganda bullsh*t. Marriage as currently conceived dates back actually only a few 100 years tops.

    Please to define “as currently conceived”.

  • 708. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    I still find “BushMcChimpyHitler” hilarious.

    Our country now lives in denial

    Tex, it could be worse … we could all be living in the Nile … then you’d have the Muslim Brotherhood to contend with. :-)

  • 709. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Tigre, I never said McCain should not be allowed to be a Senator cos he dumped his ugly wife. Just as I maintain slick Willie should not have been impeached over a blow job. If I had a son, would I want him to emulate either man? No.

  • 710. dead rabbit  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    If you only knew how hard it is for me to type with this fucking phone. My writing is deplorable. Ive said it before, its like a dream where you can’t scream. So fucking hard to write something that males sense on this thing.

  • 711. James  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Thanks Rutherford. I know you meant no harm. I agree with what you wrote. I know it to be true, but my emotions are still living back there when one of these memories intrudes.

    Last winter, someone contacted me because he wanted to know more about the girl. I told him what I remembered and asked why he wanted to know. He had been adopted and lost track of that branch of the family. .

    Tex, and Pfessor, you aren’t boring me. Sometimes insanity is based on context. What is crazy in one situation has survival value in another. Read “King Rat”.

    The latest economic figures look bad. We need a change.

  • 712. James  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Some form of homosexuality has been with most cultures since they began to write. Therefore, it either serves a purpose or its deletorialious effects are not sufficient to kill the society. Brains of some homosexuals are different from the average hetrosexual’s brain.

    Animals also commit homosexual acts, but since they can’t talk to us, we don’t know if it is the same for them.

  • 713. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Tigre,

    As I’ve said previously, don’t take my loud condemnation of our justice system personally, if that possible. Remember, you are speaking to a person who has seen first hand by family how corrupt and thuggish our judicial system can be – in this case, the EPA and its kangaroo court. Fascist jackboots. I saw my father-in-law, the most honest Joe going and a very simple man, be railroaded. There is no other word for it. It was gamesmanship and thuggish. And all I am left with is praying to God to hold them accountable.

    I’ve also been 2nd party to divorce proceedings (not my own) so egregious, unjust and sexist, that it still makes me nauseous to hear the “ruling.”

    I understand our justice system is both imperfect and served by fallible people. I don’t expect perfection – I do expect competence, I do expect civilized behavior, and I do expect fairness.

    I don’t think it any accident or simply coincidence our feckless Congress and its gross incompetence dominated by men and women with law degrees in hand. Having a law degree gives a certain amount of power that no other demographic in America has. Every attorney within reason has got it. You too. It can accomplish great good and be used to administer great evil. With power comes responsibility – and I don’t see our jurisprudence has met the standard of truth and justice, when considered in the aggregate, to hold that kind of authority.

    This may be a poor example… but if interested:

    After that parade of corrupted attorneys marched out after that Clinton impeachment fiasco and the ‘borking of Robert Bork’, the lies, the demagogue acts, the pedagoguish nature of the entire court room; with the parsing and twisting of truth, I lost faith in “the system” long, long ago. I’ve never witnessed a more perverted bunch of high price beef in my life. Barack Obama and his band of legal henchmen have compounded that fact by a factor of ten.

    I am almost sure you and BIC to be two of the good guys. So I certainly hope you both don’t think I’m dragging you through the mud in my disdain. I consider you two of the more capable people I’ve met on the net. I would have no fear to call either of you for advice for fee. I’ve got a few friends that our attorneys – one who is as close as a brother and I consider one of my two best friends in the world. It bothers him that I talk this way, so I am sure it probably bothers you too.

    But we are all products of our experiences – and every experience I have had within our judicial system even as jurist, or that I have observed, has been frankly bleak.

  • 714. James  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Rutherford, we passed this territory earlier. Bill Clinton was NOT impeached because of sex acts. He was impeached because he lied under oath and attempted to obstruct justice.

    He got what he deserved, the ignominity of impeachment while keeping his job.

  • 715. dead rabbit  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Again, read how McCain kept his honor while a POW. With the acceptance that my sons will be flawed, hell yeah I’d be proud as hell if they had McCain’s fortitude and had comparable lives. You are so brain washed by MSNBC you don’t even get how off you sound. Lots to rip on McCain. His marriage directly after 5 fucking years as a POW ain’t one of them if you have a grasp of reality that transcends a PG 13 movie.

  • 716. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    There is nothing gained by playing these little games that take the fun out of having a spirited argument.

    Well, a couple of things. First you know full well that as long as I disagree with you, you will consider my tactics “games” and my opinion dishonest. But more importantly only a masochist repeatedly does stuff that is no fun without some compensation. This is a mostly conservative bar run by a liberal bartender. So as I’ve told you in the past, enjoy the company of the patrons and the free drinks.

  • 717. PFesser  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    DR –

    I haven’t thought out the homosexuality thing at length. It just seems to me as follows: Things that are deleterious are systematically weeded out by billions of organisms competing with each other for limited resources over tens of thousands of years, so gay-ness is clearly not a BAD thing as far as survival of the species.

    It may be neutral or beneficial; in either case it would be retained. It seems to me that we are wrapping ourselves around the post over something that nature, herself, has no problem with.

    I think the problem is that religious people cannot, no matter how hard they try, separate the religion out. People like me, no matter how hard we try, cannot understand any of that. It just seems like a straightforward biology problem. Combine that with the fact that I know quite a few gay people and they are JUST FINE, I just don’t get what the fuss is. And as for the “marriage” stuff, it seems fine for churches to do whatever they like; they are a private affair and if they don’t want queers to play in their sandbox, well, it’s their box.

    OTOH, I see the gay marriage problem in purely secular terms. If these people want to make what is actually 99% a contract and get survivors benefits, etc. from their commitment, then what the hell…let ‘em do it. No skin off my back.

  • 718. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Regarding 709

    STOP THE PRESSES

    Before I get smacked with the hypocrisy stick … YES I did say back in 2008 that one of the reasons not to vote for McCain was that he was a misogynist. In fact, I devoted a full post to it called the “John McCain Female Woman Hater’s Club”.

    So all you RL blog trackers, put down your swords. I just fell on mine. :neutral:

  • 719. dead rabbit  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Some form of homosexuality has been with MOST. By no means all. Some boys fuck their mother as a rite of passage too. Shall we look to evolution for that as well?

  • 720. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    BiW by “currently conceived” I mean the full body of traditional marriage today, both religious AND legal. From what I understand marriage from a legal perspective as we know it today, dates back only a few hundred years.

  • 721. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Rabbit, I thought you installed an iPhone emulating keyboard on your android that brought you some relief? What happened?

    Regarding McCain and his first marriage, we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

  • 722. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    What is inconsistent about a sobbing Stephanie Miller also sporting an I heart Obama T shirt?

    Nothing more than being an obvious plant, then characterized as typical by our corrupt media. Thank God for the internet. :wink:

    ————

    Rutherford. Barack Obama sucks as a human being. This horseshit about being wonderful daddy and father? How the hell would anybody know that? He’s certainly not by his advice to his children, if his actions convey the raising of his children. In fact, he’s a menace to his children for he directs them down a really bad path of advice. I have found nothing redeeming about the man. Nothing.

    What I do know is he is a despicable, soulless, political expediter and probably a sociopath, surrounded by a really bad bunch of hombres. I can determine that from nothing more than his being caught off camera words on numerous occasions.

    Can you be truthful for once concerning Barack Obama and put your fawning groupieism aside for one moment?

    Can you imagine the outrage that would have ensued had George Bush been caught telling Benjamin Netanyahu or even Putin, “Let me just get past this being elected. And then we can deal…”

    Putin plays Obama for the fool – therefore, Putin plays America for the fool.

    And you completely ignore it. You want to explain that away?

    I am totally convinced Barack is a megalomaniac, who if he were not restricted in a manner which our very wise Founding Fathers had experienced first hand, would be running roughshod over anybody that dared get in his way. And he still might if reelected. It is imperative we get Barack Obama out of any position of power.

    There is no way of me to convince you of this because you are so personal vested in the man. You are blind. And the only way to make clear to you this truly is Barack Obama’s mindset, is to let it happen. So you will never believe me. And if you do ever believe me, it will be because the worst has happened and it will be much too late.

    Now can you understand why the level of disdain for this man? You think I was alone watching that orgy in 2008 and believing this? It has nothing to do with being black, no matter how much you would like to believe that. I think the exact same thing of Hillary Rotten Clinton.

    And all you can do is accuse me of being melodramatic and scoffing at my religion.

    I don’t think you have any idea how dangerous the path you tread, old friend. And I do mean friend, because I wouldn’t give you the time of day about taking some good advice would it be that I don’t care about your well being. You have been provided with a great disservice. And I sympathize at this shortcoming to a degree.

    But you are no longer a child – yet you still think as one. I am not kidding you this time or playing the blowhard. I am dead serious about this.

  • 723. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Rabbit putting aside your cultural aversion to mother f*cking and the possible genetic consequences of in-breeding, what is objectively wrong with it? Truth be told, in terms of understanding biological behavior, it makes a lot more sense for a 14 year old to f*ck his hot mama (consensually of course) than to stick his penis in an anus.

    Personally I love the bonobos. They have no hang ups and screw anything breathing! :-)

  • 724. nagic  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Well, a couple of things. First you know full well that as long as I disagree with you, you will consider my tactics “games” and my opinion dishonest.

    I am sorry but I am not going to take this insult lying down. This isn’t just my opinion. Scores of other people have backed my assertions about you. This is a very well documented fact about you and it “should” change. There is no need for it, there is no call to disrespect us by doing it.

  • 725. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Now you’re “insulted”? Good grief. Is it too early for you to have a martini or something? Hell smoke a doobie. Do something to calm the f*ck down.

  • 726. Newt or no newt  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Homosexuality can logically be explained by means of evolution (a glitch in the arrangement of the DNA, happens all the time, like a typo), but it doesn’t necessarily contribute to to human evolution, because prior to recent developments few homosexuals reproduced and there is no evidence that homosexuality is hereditary. Evolution does not cause these typos, evolution occurs if the mutation proves to be advantageous and attracts a fertile mate.

  • 727. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    It may be neutral or beneficial; in either case it would be retained. It seems to me that we are wrapping ourselves around the post over something that nature, herself, has no problem with.

    I don’t understand your reasoning, Pfesser. Won’t debate over it either and start another brouhaha for the sake of you, me and everyone else involved.

    But I could substitute the word “virus” in your paragraph instead homosexuality and be every bit as accurate.

    And I find it hard to believe that a man of your capability doesn’t understand the consequences of the behavior, unless we want to give intravenous drug users a pass to as no skin off your back. For no other reason, it should concern you as ubiquitous morbid obesity should concern you, that there is a health costs associated with homosexuality that impacts us all.

    I’ll just say this. What I do believe the issue provides is that it does provide a passage to press against what you really do care about – religion, or your lack thereof and what you perceive a suppression of your own mores and liberties by your antagonists.

  • 728. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Homosexuality can logically be explained by means of evolution (a glitch in the arrangement of the DNA, happens all the time, like a typo), but it doesn’t necessarily contribute to to human evolution, because prior to recent developments few homosexuals reproduced and there is no evidence that homosexuality is hereditary. Evolution does not cause these typos, evolution occurs if the mutation proves to be advantageous and attracts a fertile mate.

    Would you care to document your “proof” for me, Newt? Because that paragraph, like so many you have already provided, is gibberish and nonsensical.

    Because unless there has been some revelation in the very recent period, the homosexual community has politicized the issue to the tune of billions of dollars of monies being spent in research in finding a “gay gene” – and not one has been found. Not one.

  • 729. Newt or no newt  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Latest information on skin color, by the way Eskimos did not need light skin to survive in the North, because their diet of whale blubber was high in vitamin D. That is no longer true, they eat off the grocery shelf like the rest of us. http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/site/sn/video/player/skin-deep-sneak-peek/1440011692001/

  • 730. Newt or no newt  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Tex, sign up for Biology 101 and a lab, it is a complex subject.

  • 731. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Tex, one of the hard lessons I’ve learned in the past five years, having finally focused on politics after some 40 years of not caring is that it’s all prostitution. Vote for me and I’ll suck you off … or maybe I won’t … no way to tell unless you vote for me.

    It’s awfully hard to read what kind of MAN Barack is. I’d like to think he loves his wife and children. I have no reason to believe otherwise.

    But the worst that can be said about Obama, the politician, is that it is business as usual. Does this disappoint me? Certainly. But I have to weed out the cynicism and base who I support upon my values.

    You have conservative values. I have liberal, slightly tilted toward moderate, values. So when I vote, I have to vote for the guy who talks my talk. He may not end up walking the walk but that’s the way the cookie crumbles. Mitt does not talk my talk. So it makes zero sense for me to vote for him.

    I wanted Obama primaried. It didn’t happen. So, I’m hoping if he gets reelected that he worries less about politics and gets some stuff done: real immigration reform, cleaning up the healthcare law, getting folks back to work.

    If Mitt wins, I will “pray” that he develops a backbone and stands for something, I fear he will just be a puppet.

  • 732. Newt or no newt  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Tex, this should help in your general understand of how mutation occur, note in particular #2.

  • 733. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Tex, sign up for Biology 101 and a lab, it is a complex subject.

    I already have a degree in biology, Newt. Or at least a minor, as premed requires a certain number of hours completed. Got an ‘A’ in every subject too, including molecular biology, genetics, cellular biology, microbiology, immunology, and even that class called ‘Evolution.’

    You seem the nice enough gal, albeit confused and naive. But I have been a tad harsh on too many of Rutherford’s guests, especially the lady folk, and it is time I behave myself for Brother Rutherford’s sake.

    I figure Pfesser has got me on this one – the host is due a bit of respect for no other reason then being he’s nice enough to let me partake eating from his vines I did not plant.

    So I won’t drag that gibberish through the mud you just left if you’ll simply send me your source. You need not explain. Just link. :wink:

  • 734. Newt or no newt  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    How do Mutations Occur?
    learn.genetics.utah.edu/archive/sloozeworm/index.html
    forgot to include this.

  • 735. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Newt, I hope I hit “post comment” before Tex pounces on you. Tex actually attended a few semesters of medical school within the past five years. I’m not saying it makes him a genius but he’s gone far beyond Biology 101.

  • 736. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Tex, my hat’s off to you for your restraint today.

  • 737. Newt or no newt  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Tex, I confess I don’t actually know if typo or imbalance of hormones during gestation has ever caused someone’s homosexuality, but based on the fact that I have met gays, who are as rigid in their sexuality as I am in my heterosexuality, not even for one moment do I assume, they choose to be homosexual. So I think the best hypothesis is a glitch in the DNA,
    Thanks Rutherford and thank you Tex.

  • 738. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Brother Rutherford. I understand the logic of how you arrive at your vote. I have said as much. I am quite sure a lifetime of leftist indoctrination is what you know and why you know it. No doubt each of us carries our own biases. A vote for Barack Obama, however negatively it has impacted the country, made sense for you four years ago.

    What I fail to understand is how after the results have been established, measured, rationalized, and the clear conclusion reached, and we did it your way and it epically failed in every capacity and measure…

    …a man I consider reasonably intelligent could conclude you still are required to continue to vote for certain failure?

    It is really that important to you that you vote the way you always have, even if the outcome of disaster and bankruptcy certain? Do you ever give thought to maybe you’ve been misled, or you could be completely wrong?

    Our economy is ruined, our children cheated, our system broke. Did you miss my two fun facts last night concerning percentile paying federal tax and drawing disability and the trend of the last 20 years? I am not solely blaming Barack Obama. This has been going on for 20 years.

    It should be obvious even to the most hardened of liberals that our credit maxed, our economic power weakened, our only real federal success is dependency created, our debt unpayable. How could that be a good thing?

    Why would a smart guy like you wish to hurt he and his family, only to make a point? Why would a black guy like you be beholden to a bunch of white elitists (sorry, but Barack Obama is only a means backed by global investors even if he’s deluded into believing he is the one) who would think nothing of grinding you into the dust if it meant saving their own asses?

    What will be gained if you should win an election but unable to feed your family? Do you really think you’re bullet proof from the consequences of your actions should the trend continue where we tread water as a nation while our debts exponentially explode?

    Do you have any idea what could happen when that transpires?

  • 739. El Tigre  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    “I have to vote for the guy who talks my talk. ”

    R with all due respect (and only that which is due and not a gram more), I’ve been hanging around here long enough to see that the truth is you talk his talk, not the other way around.

  • 740. El Tigre  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    “Tex, my hat’s off to you for your restraint today.”

    Why you letting them shit all over you Tex? :lol:

  • 741. dead rabbit  |  July 6, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Imagine how many dead “gay” fetuses there will be if they ever find some sort of gay gene. There already are moutains of dead female fetuses in China and thousands of dumpsters full of black fetuses in America.

  • 742. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    Newt, I’m not here to change your mind. Simply to set the record straight. And I have way too much time on my hands today. Let me explain this again without the technical mumbo jumbo.

    Pfesser is a doctor and far more qualified than I to speak on issues of treatment and the entire facilitation of our medical system – I certainly defer to his expertise. I probably have the luxury of being more current than Pfesser on much of the cellular and genetic “stuff” only because I more recently sat in a bunch of classrooms with the latest information and finding several hours each day. It changes so quickly, it is virtually impossible to be current in all aspects – hence the need for specialists like Pfesser and radiology. And I would surmise both of us have forgotten much of what we learned from medical school. You keep fresh what you need to do your job, so all of my knowledge is beginning to wane. My oldest daughter, currently in medical school second year, would eat my lunch in an academic debate of med knowledge; that and she is twice as capable as the old man.

    And Pfesser and I are at opposite ends concerning this debate – so the debate far more than simply scientific know how.

    I have met gays, who are as rigid in their sexuality as I am in my heterosexuality, not even for one moment do I assume, they choose to be homosexual.

    I agree that they are every bit as rigid in the selection of preferential mate – no doubt in my mind. We are hard wired, I believe as adults and it probably is impossible to change preference. I believe the “change crowd” is deluding themselves, as are the people that claim to be cured. I know for me personally, there is no way short of changing my neural anatomy I could have preference for men – in fact, the thought of it makes me nauseous.

    However, and this doesn’t change a thing about my conclusions even if they were to find a ‘gay gene’, I believe the choice is formed very early in our development, probably somewhere as a guess between 3-6 years old, which in turn leads to some aspect of physiological development. I suspect our environment of upbringing plays a large role with a huge influence of both mother and father – much as the onset of puberty can be attributed in part to nutrition and visual attributes. And that algorithm of preference, for lack of a better word, is so complex we don’t even have a clue to its methods.

    I recently saw a study with accompanying demonstration where both the male and female organism is so powerful, so alluring to our impulses, that virtually every part of our brain shows a great deal of activity. It was more addictive than even substance abuse.

    Please understand that I am not condemning homosexuals for the temptation. I even sympathize with the frustration – it would be a terrible burden to carry. I won’t even really condemn them for caving toward the act. Lord knows that I certainly have succumbed to many of my temptations as a younger man. If I have an addiction, sex would definitely be it (more than you wanted to know, but one many a truthful man will admit).

    What I do condemn is normalizing the behavior and calling it equivalent to the union of man and woman. Even if you remove the debate of religion, homosexuality is obviously twisted even by the laws of nature and it cannot, no matter how much we try to force a homosexual relationship, be equivalent to a man and woman together. Men and women are anatomically complimentary to one another. One is exactly inverse to the other, making whole.

    Homosexuality by definition cannot be that, anymore than you can fit a round peg in a square hole.

    And if I did not feel this issue was being rammed down my throat, not seeking my tolerance which I have always lived, but my acceptance of it as just another alternative, I would leave well enough alone. There is no other healthy alternative to propagate our species. And frankly, I don’t think there is a healthier, better relationship of an opposite and committed sex. Every study on earth bears this out.

    The Catholic Church IMO would be better to call off the dogs by allowing both their priests and nuns to marry – the burden of dedicating yourself to abstinence and no married is more than most can bear. And I believe that advice Paul gave was very, very unique to all but a few – not a rule.

    But I refuse under no circumstance to call a union of marriage which I believe holy and sacrosanct no matter how badly we fail it, the basic cornerstone of all of civilization, to be cheapened by being made equivalent to an abnormality.

  • 743. muffy  |  July 6, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    I tend to apply the 5 main determinates of personality to homosexuality.

    Biological
    Cultural
    Family
    Social
    Situational / idiosyncratic

    I think some measure of a number of these factors add up to homosexuality.

    I don’t believe in a “gay gene.” I also don’t believe that it’s a controllable trait.

    ~

    Rutherford, I don’t think there’s anything logical about your judgments re: McCain vs Clinton or anyone else. Sleazy is as sleazy does.

    ~

    “Personally I love the bonobos.”

    Really.

  • 744. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Rutherford, one last thing. I want to give you one good example of why I like George Bush II, even if I found him a marginal President, painful to listen to without prepared speech, a blue blood, and should have his ass paddled for coddling and caving into spending us out of house and home.

    I believe with all my little heart, that George Bush is damn fine human being and a true patriot. I will always like the man for his spirit, I believe the way he has carried himself after the Presidency conveys true Christian attitude and service – and I believe unlike Barack Obama, that George Bush truly does treasure this country with pure heart and motive. I greatly admire the man.

    I’m not even completely convinced George Bush wanted the Presidency. He was expected and pressured almost like Prince William to succeed. He was not the buffoon your vicious clowns caricatured him to be, but he was no genius either. Barack Obama is no genius either, I would remind you of that.

    But I’ll tell you this much. Barack Obama, no matter how flamboyant and dazzling, will never on his best day be half the sincerity of this real man – a humble and very decent guy.

    Maybe not you as I never found you vicious which is not your nature, but most of your leftists should be ashamed of themselves for treating this good man the way they did. And it angers me to no end, at least in part explaining why I in return have been vicious to many of you. I have a very hard time forgiving of the treatment George Bush received in his eight years – most of it completely unfounded.

    http://www.voanews.com/content/george-bush-africa-cervical-cancer/1363615.html

  • 745. nagic  |  July 6, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    I am perfectly calm Rutherford. I am just pointing out that the problem isn’t with people judging you unfairly, it is with you and how you conduct yourself. To suggest I or most on here would treat you the same way for no other reason than they/we disagree is absurd, and insulting.

  • 746. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Why would a black guy like you be beholden to a bunch of white elitists …who would think nothing of grinding you into the dust if it meant saving their own asses?

    Good question but doesn’t that describe Mitt Romney’s history to a tee?

    The real question this November is do we play the game and vote for a clearly imperfect candidate (Obama OR Romney) or do we stay home?

  • 747. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 6, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    The real question this November is do we play the game and vote for a clearly imperfect candidate (Obama OR Romney) or do we stay home?

    What? And let the dead have all the fun???

  • 748. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Tex, I really can’t say enough about Bush 43 and the way he has conducted himself post-presidency. A real class act … I will grant you that. I still think his father was the better man.

  • 749. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Newt, this is none of my business but in light of your mentioning your heterosexuality in an earlier comment (737), this comment now confuses the heck out of me:

    R. originally I discreetly ordered Christian relationship books using that email address, after all my marriage wasn’t protected under the Constitution, but after gay marriage was made legal in Iowa, of all places, I switched strategies. But I am kind of putout that I have to take personal responsibility for the state of my marriage.

    I thought from that comment you were gay and now I’m totally confused. Doesn’t matter a whit in the total scheme of things … I’m just confused.

  • 750. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    There you go BiW … you’ve given me consolation. If I DO stay home there will be at least five dead guys voting in my place.

  • 751. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Why would a black guy like you be beholden to a bunch of white elitists …who would think nothing of grinding you into the dust if it meant saving their own asses?

    I knew you would say that. It does if you think Mitt Romney of the same character and make up of say a George Soros, a Arthur Sulzberger Jr., a Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr.. I find Romney a very rich guy with just opposite makeup. You know many devoted Mormons, Rutherford? I do. And as a general rule, they are incredibly decent people. Not all of them, naturally. But most.

    In fact, I’ve read nothing from you but speculation of what you would like the perceived reality to be. You keep referring to Romney as incapable? How so? Looks to me like he’s most capable. Well spoken, obviously smart, polished, and economically sound. In fact, Romney should be your perfect Republican candidate – not mine. His record is moderate, he implemented a mini health care program for the uninsured, far more socially liberal than me, a lot more like David Frum than Tex Taylor it reads.

    So what I read from you is that you’re not being honest in your assessment of Romney, never have any intent of judging real character, but are selfishly locked into justifying your own bias to never vote Republican simply because they are registered Republican. I find that rather immature for a smart guy. :neutral:

    I’m not trying to get you to change your vote. You vote Obama because you have to. I understand. But I would be careful what you wish for.

    Let me tell you something, Rutherford. Gospel truth and I say this with assuredness and as a friend of sorts that needs to level with a friend by treading on thin ice – where angels dear not tread of opposite race.

    Don’t fool yourself. Barack Obama is a lackey and frankly not terribly bright. He’s superficial and shallow, poorly raised and poorly read. He’s the Wizard – he talks a good game, but pull the curtain and where is the real accomplishment? A figment, a conceived image, with his only stabilizing influence Obama ever had in his life was a grandmother enraged at black men – a very complicated and confusing relationship, I’m sure.

    I believe Obama is easily manipulated – not grounded in anything. There is no real substance to the man but pizazz – the ultimate bankrupt and empty headed celebrity, putting on a show. The same thing you accuse Romney of, Obama is. Cognitive dissonance, Brother ‘R’. And I think deep down when the room is quiet, you know Obama is weak, I don’t care his shuffling, arrogant act. It’s a shield he uses to disguise his inadequacy because even he has got to realize this hasn’t worked.

    If you will grant me some latitude and not blow your stack when I let go with the ultimate insulting pejorative, I’m going to talk to you this way, not because I don’t respect you, but because do. I am going to talk straight with you like most white men are too afraid to, and a white liberal never would. Because for whatever reason, I can’t help but like you. I’ve spent a lot of time with you for no apparent reason. Perhaps God provided me that time. Don’t know.

    There is absolutely no doubt that Obama believes he’s God’s gift to us, that he’s the one that rocks the boat. But he’s not smart enough to realize he’s no self made man. He’s a puppet on a string, and has been his entire life. Pretty putty that can be molded, chosen long ago because his gift of wagging tongue. You would dislike the people that have possessed Obama’s influence. I can almost guarantee that. You know why?

    Because for all your faults Rutherford, you’re a decent person that has experienced some positive influence. Decency transcends color, transcends gender, transcends politics. Obama flows whichever way the river runs to achieve an ends. Like Tiger Woods, Obama was never even taught what decency is. A spoiled and pampered child, pampered his entire life – who just happened to fall in with the right people who will consume him while utilizing his one gift – the show. It is so obvious.

    Rutherford, the real players today are men smart who know they can use Obama for their purposes if they’ll just preen Obama’s immense ego and let him peacock, believing he is in control. You know what is really ironic about all of this? And I don’t want you to be offended because for a minute I need to use some nasty slang and one you rightly hate.

    Barack Obama is the ultimate house “nigga.” Not because he is black, but because is malleable and for a moment in time, his race provides an asset. An prized athlete to be consumed to enrich the owners and thrill the fans, no different than these stupid boxers made millionaires without a clue to what value that money holds and who it is that is ultimately going to control them. The real players are the promoters. And their ultimate agenda ain’t what even Obama thinks it is, because the day his time is up, he’ll be nothing to them if he falls out of favor. If Obama fails them, they’ll destroy him too. Obama is not as protected as you think. I’ll assure you Bill Clinton has far closer ties to the real power of this physical world than Obama.

    See Rutherford, Obama has got authority but without the morals or the aptitude to know how to use it besides getting reelected. You yourself have noted his one sure quality and love is to campaign – the spotlight – the fawning adulation. He thrives on it. Obama bleeds it. But he doesn’t have a clue how to fix it. If four years of bigmouth hyenas like me haven’t led him to to figure it out by now, he soon will. He’s not really that special. And I’ll bet you ten dollars to a donut, one of two things. Either Obama has been so traumatized by the criticism he turns it off as survival but he can’t ignore it; or he’s so enraged by it because he’s not mature enough to deal with, there’s not much he won’t do to seek vengeance. Either way, America is in trouble with him as leader. In fact, it is pretty much leaderless with Obama.

    I have no idea if Romney would shrink government which is the only way we make it. I mean radical shrinkage. I know for a fact Obama won’t because he doesn’t know how without losing influence.

    As a footnote:

    I was glad that blacks who felt disenfranchised had their moment in the sun. I really was. I was hoping as they danced in the park that they might finally realize it’s not their color holding them back. I was glad your father got to see a black man “make it.” I was hoping on that night, perhaps your father would believed his sacrifices worth it. I actually thought about you that night, though I hardly knew you then. Though beaten, I knew the better man had won that night. Barack Obama scared the hell out of me. But I hoped he would be better than I thought.

    But this time Rutherford, Barack Obama is not the better man. He’s been worse than I ever dreamed. He’s completely inept and I mean that. Worse, he’s arrogant enough to never recognize it.

    And I’ll level with you friend. Barack Obama has done more to add to, perhaps unfairly, a negative view of blacks than the 44 years following Jim Crow. Not necessarily Barack Obama – but the behavior of blacks that has followed. Not you mind, you. I find you generally pretty fair and pretty realistic. But you are not the norm, Rutherford. Blacks as a whole have misused their new found authority, however unfair you might find that charge. Eric Holder is corrupt. Chris Rock and the rest of the ingrates are stupid and racist themselves – and they have been legion the last three years. The beer summit and Trayvon Martin have been a disaster. And the accusations of racism against Barack Obama because he black and not because he is incompetent are baseless.

    I hope this message hasn’t changed our relationship and I will be very sorry if it has.

  • 752. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  July 6, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    There will be 5 dead guys voting in your place if you do vote.
    Or three illegals and two dead guys.

  • 753. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Damn, I am sorry for the length of 751. I just start writing and it never stopped.

    Oh well. From the heart, Rutherford. From the heart.

  • 754. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Sorry “R”, I can’t help but laugh at the bad news. You keep saying Romney not so much.

    But I’m finding Romney’s campaign 10,000 times better than McCain’s and pretty clever. Talk about getting your comeuppance. This one has to sting.
    :lol: Obama administration repeats same jobs line—for the 30th month :lol:

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-administration-repeated-same-line-jobs-numbers-nearly-171329360.html

  • 755. Raji  |  July 6, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    Tex @742 and 751
    Thank you for the most logical comprehensive post of your beliefs that I think you have ever written during my time on these blogs. I respect your position.

    Contrary to popular belief, we do agree on many aspects just normally not your method of presentation.

    Now we can return to our scheduled program ;-)

  • 756. Raji  |  July 6, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Hey R @ 749. Wasn’t that Nagic not Newt?

  • 757. Newt or no newt  |  July 6, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    “I thought from that comment you were gay and now I’m totally confused. Doesn’t matter a whit in the total scheme of things … I’m just confused.” Yes, I guess you are, good thing I’m not. I’m straight and I can’t imagine wanting to be any other way than what I am.

  • 758. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Raji, nope .. I’m pretty sure Newt made both statements. One statement was 737, the other was 592. Again, I think I just may have misunderstood 592.

  • 759. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    Newt, thanks for clearing it up, not that you had any obligation to. I guess I just didn’t understand the “my marriage wasn’t protected under the Constitution”. Anyway, case closed.

  • 760. Rutherford  |  July 6, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    Tex I appreciate the thought you put into that comment. I don’t remember where I read this but I read somewhere about several folks in the Senate (all white) prodding Obama to run for POTUS and I got the feeling as I read it, along the lines of the house ni**a, that they wanted Obama to run as a feather in THEIR cap .. to settle their racial scores. They had found a black who was, in Joe Biden’s words, clean and articulate and they had an opportunity to prove their liberal bona fides by pushing him to run.

    But you see, that is the flipside of my earlier remarks about what a black man in the White House symbolizes to conservatives. The flipside is that he symbolizes progress to liberals … and a washing of their hands. A washing away of the guilt. I suspect Obama has been used all of his life by folks in power to further their agenda of liberal equality. In the process, he probably has been pumped up beyond his real worth. But I can’t dislike him for that. He may very well not have the self awareness to know when he’s being used.

    Allen West is an interesting bird in this regard. I think he resents being held aloft on the shoulders of powerful white guys. The trouble is I think he’s also blind to the GOP agenda of having their few black candidates who they can use to prove “we’re not racist … just look at Allen West”. Still in the total scheme of things, West may have been exploited less than Obama and West may be more self-aware.

    As for Romney …. I could respect the moderate Romney but the man runs way from it. He refuses to be genuine for fear of not being liked by the base. His pose as a “severe” conservative is simply embarrassing to watch.

    This morning on … wait for it … MSNBC “Morning Joe” had a special edition devoted to the Presidents. I haven’t watched all of it yet but I came away from what I did watch thinking our last truly great POTUS was Dwight Eisenhower. He had done enough fighting to know war was not cool … and he kept us out of it for the most part during his 8 years. Putting aside race discrimination it was probably the last happy time we’ve had in America.

  • 761. Newt or no newt  |  July 6, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    R, let me explain what I meant, since there is no ‘Defense of Marriage Amendment,” we are all on our own when it comes to keeping our marriages intact. Personally, I think, that is exactly as it should be, my marriage wouldn’t be threatened it the neighbors on either side of us and across the street happened to be gay couples. But I might have to hire a decorator (I kid the gay community for the stereotype; I support their civil right to marry the person they love and trust).

  • 762. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    I don’t put nearly as much weight in Allen West, Rutherford, as most Republicans apparently do. For Vice President? Are you kidding? The man has been there a year. He’s an established guy, but you’re right on the money about your perception of white guilt Repub. That phony groveling on the other side is equally retching to me. In many ways, the fawning you hear of West is no different than the fawning you heard about Obama. Used to do the same thing over J.C. Watts – our “racist” state had the first black Congressman with “R’. Remember? J.C. was about as smart as Obama. :roll:

    A man I do disagree with you is Clarence Thomas. A man of poverty, raised by his grandpa who makes it to Ivy League? I heard the man talk live. He’s not stupid – he’s smarter than 98% of the white guys, ‘R’ or ‘D’. This Uncle Tom B.S. is the most insidious lie of all. Give me Sowell, or Walter Williams, or Clarence Thomas and I’ll be one of their biggest fans. You want a black President. I’ll consider any of those guys.

    But here’s the difference for me, Rutherford. And I believe millions of real Conservatives and Libertarians. And I think I can speak pretty clearly for a guy like BIC, maybe Tigre, Pfesser, James, and Nagic.

    I don’t feel a damn bit of guilt about slavery or any other grievance administered by the victimhood crowd. I had nothing to do with slavery, neither did my family, very few whites alive today had family that owned slaves, and my family tree is pure white trash. My ancestors had nothing – truth be known, we may have been picking cotton with yours. At least half of them came straight out of the Mississippi Delta and Texas. If they did have slaves and plantations, somebody along the lines damn sure got screwed out of their birthright because my great grandparents were living hand to mouth, my own grandfather had an 8th grade education.

    You’ve heard me joke I don’t know what’s so funny about watermelon and fried chicken? Hell, that was a staple of life around my home growing up. Fried chicken was Sunday lunch – the biggest, best meal of the week. Who knows. Maybe I’m a brotha somewhere back line. :smile:

    I swear to you Rutherford. Put that sociology psychobabble aside and learn something about business and private enterprise. Not that data processing crap we used to do. Capital, investment, equity – that is where our power as a nation lies. Capital accompanied by real freedom and liberty, plus our goodness and honor – and you’re damn right I said goodness – is what makes America.

    We don’t need 13,000 pages of new regulation. We need to get rid of 90% of regulation. What we need is justice and integrity, accompanied by personal responsibility. Somebody cheats the system like those 1% you fear? We’ll bust them in the slammer, white or black.

    Not a person on this board that will argue either.

  • 763. Tex Taylor  |  July 6, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Come on Rutherford. Put on your educated black man hat for a minute and drop the Obama is great pretense. I have a serious question that only you qualified to answer.

    Now be honest, because this is one thing I surely don’t understand about your tolerance and your standards. Hell, I was ashamed and offended at this indefensible level of stupidity.

    ———–

    Can you imagine what would have gone through your mind, the banshee screams from the NAACP, Jackson, Sharpton all the race pimps, Farrakhan, your dad, and any other black male or female if some white, long term Majority Senator or the V.P with an ‘R’ referring to a black candidate ‘R’ for President and said he was “clean and articulate or light skinned and with no Negro dialect?”

    Civil War would have broken out. You tell me for one minute any current Republican representative that has said anything that patronizing about Barack Obama? That was insulting to the nth degree, and apparently most of you blacks yawned.

    Do you think somehow, someway, somewhere Harry Reid, Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi somehow, someway, somewhere understand the black plight? The black experience? Relate to your little girl?

    Rutherford, these sorry POS stay in $10,000 a night rooms in Kona, HI. That’s where Nancy Pelosi stayed while I was there. These are kings and queens you’ve hitched your wagon to. Where you and I are damn happy to get the king sized bed at Holiday Inn Express and get the cheap bulkhead on the Priceline redeye, these folks fly on high dollar private jets – usually at our expense.

    I may not be able to ever convince you that you’re on the wrong side, but the one thing I am going to do before I leave is force you told these feckless white bastards of academia and the Dim party to the same standards you would hold me, and to get you to understand how utterly pretentious these clods are.

    I might be able to understand your fawning over Obama, I guess. But I’ll be damned if I can explain how you let things like the above pass so easily.

  • 764. El Tigre  |  July 6, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Thor must be shit thrilled. Obama added $80k jobs in June.That’s 1,600 per state!!!! Yes We Can!!!

    Of course we added 85k to the disability rolls, and we need to add something like 250,000 per month to break even with the increasing employable demographic.

    Well, so long as we increase the regulatory and tax burden on business we should be able to keep this pace — well until all of them shut down. :roll:

    So what was Romney’s track record for killing jobs again?

  • 765. Newt or no newt  |  July 6, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    I agree Obama needs to do something dramatic to create jobs, perhaps after the Conventions, or before, he should call a special session of Congress just for that purpose.

  • 766. El Tigre  |  July 6, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    What’s Obama’s plan Newt?

  • 767. El Tigre  |  July 6, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Tex @762, yeah you spoke clearly for me. My family wasn’t even in this country when slavery was an institution.

  • 768. Newt or no newt  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    I recall that during the run up to 2010 elections, the GOP candidates all ran on jobs, so they might have some ideas, they better have some ideas, because America will be watching. Perhaps they would like to authorize the money to improve our highways and bridges, that would create a lot of construction jobs and the work definitely needs to be done.

  • 769. El Tigre  |  July 6, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    But what’s Obama’s plan?

  • 770. nagic  |  July 7, 2012 at 12:16 am

    I wonder Newt, since we were cash strapped before Obamacare, and now that it is going to be implemented, we are in even worse shape, how can we possibly pay for things like improving our highways and bridges or any other infrastructure ?

  • 771. Newt or no newt  |  July 7, 2012 at 12:17 am

    Google ‘American Jobs Act’ and you will find President Obama’s plan.

  • 772. nagic  |  July 7, 2012 at 1:51 am

    …guess you missed my point

  • 773. Newt or no newt  |  July 7, 2012 at 2:01 am

    How can we afford not to fix them Noah? I think, your imagination can take you to the same answer I’m thinking.

  • 774. nagic  |  July 7, 2012 at 2:16 am

    When I go to the grocery store, and I know I have to eat, but when I look into my wallet, instead of green paper falling out, all these IOU’s come tumbling out. I take them to the cashier with the food I HAVE to have, and what does the cashier tell me?

  • 775. nagic  |  July 7, 2012 at 2:33 am

    Let me bottom line this for you. Whose money are you spending to do all of these “necessary” projects? All the money of the present has been spent 10 fold. All of tomorrow’s money…spent. Next week’s paycheck…spent. Next years salary…spent. All of the money you will earn in your lifetime is spent. So now you want to go to your kids, and spend their money? And when that’s gone, their kids?

    Seems to me the responsible thing would be to say, we can have anything we want, as long as we start to pay for it. You want Obamacare, then you dont get your roads and bridges.

    Now if you want to make the argument that justifies what amounts to stealing, I am all ears. Because the money we are spending mostly belongs to people who have not been born yet. That is, if you let them be born at all.

  • 776. PFesser  |  July 7, 2012 at 6:54 am

    Well, it seems that the European Superconducting Supercollider has revealed the Higgs boson, the holy grail of high-energy physics:

    http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c2#/video/bestoftv/2012/07/04/nr-intv-michio-kaku-higgs-boson.cnn

    This should have been announced from the US, not Europe. We were slated to build the SSC *HERE* but it was deemed too expensive. Instead of discovering the particle at the center of the universe and god knows what else, we very wisely used our money to blow shit up and try to subdue cavemen.

    Makes you proud to ba a ‘Merican, doesn’t it?

  • 777. PFesser  |  July 7, 2012 at 8:03 am

    His name was Bubba, he was from Mississippi … And he needed a loan, So… He walked into a bank in New York City and asked for the loan Officer. He told the loan officer that he was going to Paris for an International redneck festival for two weeks and needed to borrow $5,000 and that he was not a depositor of the bank. The bank officer told him that the bank would need some form of security for the loan, so the Redneck handed over the keys to a new Ferrari. The car was parked on the street in front of the bank.

    The Redneck produced the title and everything checked out. The loan officer agreed to hold the car as collateral for the loan and apologized for having to charge 12% interest.

    Later, the bank’s president and its officers all enjoyed a good laugh at the Redneck from the South for using a $250,000 Ferrari as collateral for a $5,000 loan. An employee of the bank then drove the Ferrari into the bank’s private underground garage and parked it.

    Two weeks later, the Redneck returned, repaid the $5,000 and the interest of $23.07. The loan officer said, “Sir, we are very happy to have had your business, and this transaction has worked out very nicely, but we are a little puzzled. While you were away, we checked you out on Dunn & Bradstreet and found that you are a Distinguished Alumni from Mississippi State University, a highly sophisticated investor and Multi-Millionaire with real estate and financial interests all over the world. Your investments include a large number of wind turbines around Sweetwater, Texas. What puzzles us is, why would you bother to borrow $5,000?”
    The good ‘ole boy replied, “Where else in New York City can I park my car for two weeks for only $23.07 and expect it to be there when I return?”

    His name was BUBBA….

    Watch those southern boys. Just because we talk funny doesn’t mean we’re stupid…

  • 778. James  |  July 7, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Newt or no newt is right about the Eskimos and other Asians. Their diets of sea food gave them vitamin D, . White skin did have survival value and compensated for different diets. . That still doesn’t fully explain the success of blond hair and blue eyes.

    Ironically, though Scandinavians are some of the whitest people in the world, many, especially the Fins carry as many as 1/4 to 1/3 Asian genes.

    What evolutionary purpose do intersex people serve? Could they be like gays, people with light eyes and hair? Might they be genetic experiments which are neither beneficial or harmful but remain in reserve, just in case.

    McCain deserves respect for what he endured as a prisoner. Read his autobiography. He admitted he was a jerk with father issues. His rank in school doesn’t necessarily equate with his skills or intelligence It illustrates his attitude.

    McCain is still a jerk, but he also exhibits the emotional and physical scars he carries. He is worthy of our respect.

  • 779. James  |  July 7, 2012 at 9:19 am

    David (?) Sinese co -stared in the television version of Stephen King’s “The Stand” One of his lines was “country don’t mean stupid!”

    Right Pfessor?

    776, I agree. Moreover, thanks to Obama we who were the first people to reach the moon are reduced to paying Russia to send our astraunats into space.

    Newt or no newt, yes, we need major construction and repair of our infrastructure. However a government program to rebuild our roads, while a good idea, it creates relatively little new wealth. It is redistribution of extant resources. California plans to construct a billion dollar railroad to “nowhere”, for example. It will be a further drain on their economy.

    Republicans do have jobs plans and at least two better health insurance programs than Obamacare is. One provision of Obamacare is a tax on medical devices. Possibly as a result our economic development group is getting inquiries from medical supply companies. Some are from California. Another reason is the synergy they envision with new Yahoo and other internet outposts built here.

    Our largely Republican area has not suffered through effects of the recession as many Democratically controlled areas have. Agriculture and energy have made us more successful, but conservative values play a role too. If Obama really wants more jobs, he should study us He won’t. He doesn’t like us as he proved during the flood..

    The employment statistics are worse than presented. Our true unemployment rate is over 14%. I was surprised that an NBC story mentioned it.

  • 780. Newt or no newt  |  July 7, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Light hair and light eyes seem to have evolved along with light skin, so like fair skin, they do allow a person to absorb more vitamin D from sunlight and live long enough to successfully reproduce the next generation, which is of course the true measure of evolutionary success. The scientist in the Smithsonian film also found, skin color not only evolved and became prevalent among a population by the distance from the equator, but also by the altitude and by humidity. You should also keep in mind Asians have developed lighter skin, not just Europeans. The uniqueness of fair hair and eyes, along lighter skin certainly could afford our ancestors more breeding opportunities and eventually become fixed in certain parts of the world. Blondes probably did have more fun back in the day, now days, with hair coloring and an over abundance of blondes, maybe not so much. Any human, gay, inter-sexed, etc, who doesn’t reproduce is just a dead end evolutionary speaking, so their contribution would be nil. It is really all about being healthy enough to attract a sexual partner, a successful delivery, and passing on good enough genes so the next generation can attract, reproduce, survive, and on and on it goes.

  • 781. dead rabbit  |  July 7, 2012 at 9:55 am

    James, don’t you think certain family trees would have a lot of gays? I read somewhere that there was a 10 % chance of person being gay if he grew up in the same household as a gay twin brother. In situations where the twins were seperated at birth it was 3%. I probably should find the link on the study.

  • 782. El Tigre  |  July 7, 2012 at 10:08 am

    “American Jobs Act” :lol: :lol: :lol:

    I didn’t need to Google it Newt.

    Yeah. Plan.

    Fortunately Obama talks the talk. . . :roll:

  • 783. El Tigre  |  July 7, 2012 at 10:12 am

    James, the Obama jobs formula says the black community is nearly 15%, meaning it’s closer to 30%. Manufacturing down. Here comes the second recession.

    Let’s keep doing the same thing — and raise personal, corporate, regulatory and health care costs. :roll:

  • 784. PFesser  |  July 7, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Just read an article in the VA Medical Journal. How are doctors reacting to Obamacare? They’re quitting, the ones that can.

    Count me in. It’s just no fun anymore. My colleagues and I will take care of each other. The rest? Read your own damned X-rays.

  • 785. James  |  July 7, 2012 at 11:13 am

    dead rabbit, I believe you are right. Homosexuality seems to run in families, maybe through a combination of genes and family culture. I think other traits run in families too.

    Since we know extroversion and introversion are associated with differences in structures of parts of our brains, and some homosexual brains are different from those of hetrosexuals, I think these traits are in part genetic.,

    Newt or no newt. I don’t think I have told you I’m glad you are posting here. I am now.

    Yes, light skin has survival value. I also know some Asians have light skin–our Korean daughter-in law for example. That still doesn’t explain the intrinsic value of light hair and eyes. I believe like homosexuals such people provide no apparent survival advantage or disadvantage to the species.

    A Canadian anthropologist theorized that blond hair evolved around the end of the last ice age. As you suggested blond hair and light eyes made women exotic, and they had an advantage over their dark haired sisters in a fierce competition for scarce men.Thus, the evolutionary conflict was over shades of hair, the outcome of which gave little value or harm to the human race. I believe homosexuality fits the same catigory but is disadvantaged because fewer gay people than others reproduce.

    This tells us that evolution is an imperfect method of change.

    People had a tradition of dying or bleaching their hair during Roman and Greek times. Blonds did have more fun. Its interesting to think that nights of debauchery gave me my sky blue eyes.

  • 786. James  |  July 7, 2012 at 11:22 am

    El Tigre, here is something else I found on Twitchy. Flashback: In 2004, Obama dismissed creation of 310,000 jobs under Bush. The unemployment rate was 5.6%.

    Why would blacks continue to support a party which has impoverished them? To ad insult to injury, Obama has insulted their conservative values by supporting gay marriage. I support gay marriage, but I am not the president. He also legalized a large number of undocumented people who will compete for jobs at the expense black people.

    The answer may lie in ignorance. A survey showed 45% of the people haven’t heard of the Obamacare Supreme Court decision.

    If doctors choose new lines of work, death panels will surely rule.

  • 787. Alfie  |  July 7, 2012 at 11:27 am

    @PF I wouldn’t be too heart broken about CERN. First off the USA isn’t really all the capable from a scientific standing. We’ve pretty much abdicated that years and years ago. Even then if it wasn’t for immigrants we probably wouldn’t have had the chops then either.

    Newt last call! glasses down! Put away the Kool Aid lady.
    Infrastructure repair and maintenance in America is a joke and the joke is on the taxpayers who have ponied up ample funds over the decades to do it but are hosed by the politicians.
    The United States are not. That little news break for you just in case you missed it.In a spectrum that includes narrow minded bureaucrats and NIMBY’s and union thugs and green weenies you cannot have the economy improving infrastructure operation the USA has had in the past and nations of Europe and Asia experience now.
    Nothing in ObamaMessiahs program addresses this failing. Nothing in the mainstream American political discourse faces up to the paradigm shift in policy America MUST embrace.
    Thankfully the answers are out there. A little bit out on the periphery. They are the things the spectrum denizens don’t want to talk about. Things like privatization of roads and transit systems. Development legislation that focuses on “vertical” urban development that denies sprawl.Nothing Obama likes on an infrastructure plane has any meaning even his best friend the smart grid. He’s at least close with that one,I’ll give him that,but alas it is so fraught with the stagnated brain stew that grips the USA today.

    On a side note…Green jobs are another area that is a government jobs program quagmire. The ship has sailed and it docked in China. Move on. Don’t get me started on the illegitimacy of the BLS green jobs growth. Please don’t!

  • 788. Alfie  |  July 7, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Kind of a sidebar question and I’d love to hear from: Rutherford,James and PFessor especially. Regards gay marriage what is the point of federal recognition? I’m a little jaded on the matter since I believe there should be only one federal tax category/rate and I’m into states rights.

  • 789. James  |  July 7, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    The only point I see to federal recognition is to insure that people who are married on one state get the same federal benefits if they move to another.

    I’m also into states rights, so I believe it is the states’ choice to sanction or not sanction gay, polygamous or other unusual marriages.

    I don’t worry much about gay marriages and don’t give them much thought. A contradiction may be hidden in my opinion.

    I agree with much of 787, Spain is in economic trouble in part because they gambled on green jobs. Holland, I believe is discussing ending subsidies for wind generators because of the cost.

  • 790. Newt or no newt  |  July 7, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    James, thank you. After awhile those early Scandinavian blondes (with their fair skin and light eyes) were numerous around the fjords and they of course they survived longer than the olive skinned brunettes and they mothered or fathered more offspring. And of upmost importance the offspring survived and thrived, “In pregnancy, vitamin D helps the development of a baby’s bones. If you have a vitamin D deficiency (low levels of vitamin D) it can affect the amount of calcium your baby has in his or her bones.” A society really cannot survive if everyone has rickets.
    It only makes sense of course that dark skin protects people from skin cancer, so people from places where there is more sun should be naturally darker complexed, but evolution doesn’t care if they get skin cancer, because skin cancer usually shows up when people are past their child bearing years. So the most logical reason for skin to be darker the nearer one lives to the equator is to prevent male infertility and some horrible birth defects, because of destruction of foliate in their bodies. “Light-skinned people who get a ton of sun exposure can destroy enough folate to cause problems, but are protected because the UVB rays burn them, driving them from the sun. Those who get progressive sun exposure develop a tan that performs the same function as the naturally dark skin of people living in high UVB exposure areas.
    You can pretty much tell how much sun exposure any group of people have been exposed to over the past several thousand years by how dark their skin is. Mediterranean people, for example, are light enough to allow enough UVB absorption to make plenty of vitamin D, but dark enough to prevent enough absorption to destroy their folate. One group of people, however, are an exception to this rule: the Inuit of northern Canada. These people are pretty dark skinned, yet they live in an area with very little strong UVB exposure. But they live on a diet that is predominantly fatty fish. Fatty fish are one of the few foods containing enormous amounts of vitamin D. So, the Inuit get their vitamin D in their diets and didn’t have to evolve light skin.
    All of us are fortunate today, our diets can be supplemented and we can be healthy and reproduce healthy children regardless of where we live.

  • 791. Newt or no newt  |  July 7, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Sorry to be so gabby Blue Eyes, but you seemed interested in the subject.

  • 792. Newt or no newt  |  July 7, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    #788 1. people move from one state to another state, your marriage is valid in all states, they want the same. 2. Federal income tax exemptions, etc
    #787 So sue me I want to make sure my movie theater popcorn makes it to a theater near me and they don’t up the price on it, because of cost of toll roads. Fix the damn bridges before another collapses and kills a bunch of people.

  • 793. James  |  July 7, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Ha ha!! Newt or no newt. I enjoyed all you wrote on the subject.

    I became interested in the subject when I had some free time to think about a conversation my father and I had when I was ten.

    “Do you know why your aunt’s eyes are slanted?” “No.” “Because she is Finish.” The fact that she was a hazel-eyed blond with Asian eyes didn’t seem unusual at the time. Some of my cousins similar.

    Later, I learned her side of the family had lied and declared themselves to be Swedes. I got curious, and discovered what to me was a fantastic story. I found some good music too. Thor knows what I mean.

    My father’s skin darkened after years on the farm, and so did mine to a degree. I used to burn and blister every summer, and I had freckles.

    This one is for you, if you choose to waste your time on a happy song. Google Sofia Jannuk “Irene” She is singing-joiking about counting her Aunt Irene’s reindeer herd. She is also our daughter’s age and looks a little like her.

    I am a fan of Katy Perry and Lady GaGa, but there is something about Sofia.

  • 794. James  |  July 7, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Part of the video was made at the Ice Hotel.

  • 795. Alfie  |  July 7, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    #792 your response to 787 shows a vacancy I’m not going to try to fix right now.
    To 788 I could say the same but I’m going to give you 1/2 credit and assume you’re under the civil rights fog group think. Its kind of where I imagine Rutherford is to be found also.

  • 796. Newt or no newt  |  July 7, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    “assume you’re under the civil rights fog group think. Its kind of where I imagine Rutherford is to be found also.”
    I can’t speak for our leader, but I think it the virtually the same as Loving v. Virginia.

  • 797. Alfie  |  July 7, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    @796 well you have show a hint that you understand what the fog is comprised of.
    I’ll see your SCOTUS and raise you two. Bowers v Hardwick and Lawrence v Texas.

  • 798. PFesser  |  July 7, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Alfie asked:

    “Regards gay marriage what is the point of federal recognition? I’m a little jaded on the matter since I believe there should be only one federal tax category/rate and I’m into states rights.”

    It would seem to me that the guarantee of equal treatment under the law is such an overriding principle of American democracy that it must be applied to all American citizens, without exception. Federal recognition would provide that. It is sort of like the ceding of the regulation of interstate commerce to the Feds; the potential for one or several states to deny rights granted by another state would be such a quagmire that the Fed. Govt. just handles it and makes sure it is even all across the board.

  • 799. dead rabbit  |  July 7, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Following Newts conclusion about skin color and a thousand years in the sun it seems to me Eskimos have dark skin that they shouldn’t have.

  • 800. Newt or no newt  |  July 7, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    Thought you had me dead rabbit, read #790, that part is covered. “One group of people, however, are an exception to this rule: the Inuit of northern Canada. These people are pretty dark skinned, yet they live in an area with very little strong UVB exposure. But they live on a diet that is predominantly fatty fish. Fatty fish are one of the few foods containing enormous amounts of vitamin D. So, the Inuit get their vitamin D in their diets and didn’t have to evolve light skin.”

  • 801. Newt or no newt  |  July 7, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    “Bowers v Hardwick and Lawrence v Texas?” Alfie, me thinks you did not read all the way to the “Lawrence v Texas” part. Now I’m not a lawyer, but that is what I think. You might want to read that part again or for the first time, whichever.

  • 802. Alfie  |  July 7, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    Oh let me give it away then….
    My point is that SCOTUS has been back and forth on the 14th. That SCOTUS and Congress have co-opted their Constitutional positions in regards the 14th and most importantly have, given previous precedents as well as the two I listed for specific reasons,failed to address the issue properly/legally.
    Heres the thing….until marriage is defined all we’re doing is dancing in limbo land living a lie.
    I’m telling you unless the Court is ever irrevocably leftist ant-Constitution some of the ‘feelings” laws will be reversed. We as a nation cannot live via judicial action,kick the legislature branch in the pants and get the job done right.

  • 803. Newt or no newt  |  July 7, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    Alfie, you are a product of your life experiences, I suppose, and I, a product of mine, we are on different pages.

  • 804. Alfie  |  July 7, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    @803 yeah I get that for sure. I must state for the record though that my feelings and life experiences have no bearing on my historical and poli-sci education and standing. I do consider myself an “active” liver or citizen as it were. I don’t sit around waiting for something to happen and only care if it impacts me personally. (not saying you do btw)
    Seriously if someone is a pro gay marriage person you should want the legislature to make a law. I live in MA and how the cowards on Beacon Hill acted, although applauded by the gay community, is a disservice bomb waiting to go off. The only saving grace as it were is the believability that the USA will track towards being eternally red/blue yet “united”.
    For the record I want the states to define marriage and the feds to set up a civil union law.

  • 805. Rutherford  |  July 7, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    I’m in a stadium waiting for American Idol concert to start. Kid is disappointed we are so far from the stage. When the music starts she’ll forget her troubles.

  • 806. Alfie  |  July 7, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    May the Force be with you Skywalker….

  • 807. Tex Taylor  |  July 7, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    You know Brother Rutherford. A thought occurred to me today on my 52nd birthday, of which I ate salmon for lunch with a liberal who has taken a liking to me. Food supersedes politic, and I’m not even a big salmon fan. She prepared it well. She droned on for a while, talking about how stupid George Bush was as I’ve never mentioned my political persuasion.

    I looked up from a bite of salmon and mouthed the words after a few minutes, “I loathe Barack Obama. He’s not smart enough to manage a lemonade stand, much less America.” :twisted: Then I went back to eating.

    She switched the subject to how my children were doing. It’s amazing how effective few words can be. :lol: I need to remember that valuable lesson of simplicity.

    Here’s my profound thought this morning:

    I liked the country a heck of a lot better when Michelle Antoinette Obama was still ashamed of it.

    Have fun at American Idol.

  • 808. Rutherford  |  July 7, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Happy Birthday Tex.

  • 809. dead rabbit  |  July 7, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    Why are American Indians dark skinned? I also would think Icelandic people would get a ton of vitamin D in their diet, although they do eat a lot of nasty ass mutton. I have a vitamin D deficiency and I’m like one of those white dudes from the show Cops, I go shirtless in the summer all the time. I’m not contesting what your saying Newt, outside of your thousand year time line. As for the homo gene, I think your just guessing. There is just too much behaivoral shit that seems cultural to me. American girls starve themselves, Japanese girls are convinced their wolves

  • 810. dead rabbit  |  July 7, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    Tex man. That ain’t right. Eating dinner with some liberal. Your family far away. Fuck man, you should have taken a red eye to Detroit and eat a falafal while I give you the post apocalyptic tour.

  • 811. Newt or no newt  |  July 7, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    Rabbit it isn’t my theory, it is the theory of Nina Joblonski, PhD, she is an anthropologist, possibly the head of her department at Penn St. Univ., she has written extensively on the subject. Anyway her theory is universally accepted among her peers. The Smithsonian film: “Skin Deep” explains her theory and how she arrived at her conclusions. I am confused by this, “outside of your thousand year time line.” Do I have a thousand year time line? I just not connecting this to anything I’ve said.
    Iceland was settled in 9th century AD by by the Norse, in evolutionary terms that is like last week, they were already fair skinned and had been for a long time. You said, you are an historian? What is you particular area of interest?

  • 812. muffy  |  July 7, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    “Eating dinner with some liberal.”
    :lol: Yeah. that’s too bad. Well I hope you enjoyed your birthday anyway cuz we sure enjoy you.

    Here’s to you, Tex. Cheers!

  • 813. Newt or no newt  |  July 7, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    A gay gene, it is my reasoned guess that there is some biological basis for some people being gay and some animals, too. No evidence, but I would be alone, in surmising that people don’t generally choose to be so far outside the norm they get beaten up and shunned, etc. And why do I have gay-dar, I can almost alway guess who is and isn’t gay; I think most people can.

  • 814. dead rabbit  |  July 7, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    Sorry, I think I’m getting posts mixed up while also skipping others completly. I can’t multi task for shit.

    Gay gene: no proof. I hope they do find one as it would be great for the pro life movement world wide. Nobody ever seems to care what happens to women around the world. Jim Crow in Saudi Arabia. Gender genocide in China and India. But if it came out that the gay gene was being aborted, the left might actually take a serious look at the other 95% of abortions done for superficial reasons.

  • 815. dead rabbit  |  July 7, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    Funny because I see the gaydar as proof it’s cultural. Surely the lisping queer in the San Fransico Castro District and the Sacred Band of Thebes (ancient Greek special forces unit made up of homo couples famous for dying to the last man against Alexander) have nothing in common. Gaydar picks up on total contrived behaivor of someone telling the world they are gay. Kind of like blacks telling the world they are black by ruining a movie for everybody in a theater.

  • 816. Tex Taylor  |  July 8, 2012 at 12:25 am

    Thank you guys and gal. It was a weird birthday. My oldest daughter hiking the Amazon today (don’t ask me how as seven days ago she was on crutches), my baby daughter off on some jaunt to Kansas City with her pals, the wifey doing what she does in Houston. We celebrate next weekend and I’ll eat like a king for three days.

    Frankly, I’ve gotten so old, birthday is like New Year’s Eve – I find it half way depressing. Damn, another year down the drain and they’re going much too fast.

    I wish you guys could have seen ‘Deby’s’ facial expression when I let that smug, smart assed response rip. :lol: I’ve laughed about it for hours. Rutherford is used to it – I’ll bet the crap I pen doesn’t even faze him anymore – rhino hide.

    Deby looked like she was watching the Hindenburg burn & crash – bug eyed and aghast, mouth agape. I just took another bite of food and smiled. I really am a bastard.

    Up until that time, I had pretty much let old Deb ramble on with considerable restraint on numerous issues. Deby is like Rutherford, though. A rare liberal – interesting and one I can actually stomach for a period of time, especially when she feeds me.

  • 817. Tex Taylor  |  July 8, 2012 at 12:32 am

    You guys or gals ever received a cookie bouquet? To my wife, I guess that is like the male version of flowers or something.

    Around here, they’re actually pretty good cookies. But I’ll bet with all that frosting and crap and about a half an inch thick, there’s probably a 1,000 calories to a cookie, my dog watching every moment of my hand to mouth.

    I ate all five of them through the day watching Indiana Jones flicks, one after another. :lol: I feel like a train hit me about 9:00 PM.

  • 818. Rutherford  |  July 8, 2012 at 2:16 am

    We survived the concert. For family entertainment it was actually quite good. This season of Idol featured some truly talented young folks. The sound system at the Allstate Arena in Rosemont, IL sucked badly. Vocals and instruments were muddy. The first song, loud and muddy almost made my stomach turn. I adjusted by the end of the first song and the rest of the concert was better. I don’t know if the fault was the sound engineers attached to the tour or whether it’s a problem with the venue itself.

    While we’re on genetics … any of you heard of the God gene? There has been genetic research identifying a gene that makes faith more likely in some people than others. I’m not saying it’s conclusive but there has been research suggesting the possibility.

    I’m going to bed.

  • 819. James  |  July 8, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Newt or no newt cites authorities to support her views. I don’t because I reached most of my conclusions on my own through observation and reading. Thus, she has reinforced my guesses and is a better authority than I..

    I assume the first modern inhabitants of Europe were fairly dark- skinned. They evolved lighter features because darker people tended to die. Neanderthals, who left a few genes in us also had time to evolve white skins and red hair, according to some guesses.

    Light skin carries some disadvantages, so changing color may have been an evolutionary plan B. As Newt wrote, skin color tends to darken as one approaches the equator. Blond, nearly albino Estonians or Scandinavians share more genetic and skeletal traits in common with darker skinned Arabs and Indians than Japanese do with southeast Asians.Caucasians were probably

    I’ve heard of the god gene. I believe some form of “gay gene” also exists. The basic mammilian form is female. The old joke about the improved model is wrong. Males are the “improvement.” It is harder to make a male than female. More things can go wrong.

    I believe a hormonal-chemical :”mistake” can alter potential identity before birth. Since we all fit on a continum such altered perceptions of self may be altered to fit societal acceptable forms, but some cannot.

    Forty years ago, a school of thought held that babies were blank slates who could be altered to fit any desired form. Thus, when Canadian twins were circumcised and the procedure was botched on one twin, American psychologists regarded the tragedy as a wonderful opportunity to test their theories.

    They would raise the unfortunate twin as a girl At first, the reports were good, and they wrote congratulatory articles about their wonderful insights. All was not as it seemed. The girl was a social isolate because she felt she was not what she seemed. later, her parents had to force estrogen down her throat.

    Eventually, the father confessed to his daughter what had been done, and he said the girl was so angry he was afraid she would kill them all in her sleep.Eventually, she announced she was a boy and took male hormones.

    Later, he married and became a step father. His brother killed himself, and the new man later committed suicide too. In spite of his build and social status, she KNEW she wasn’t a girl.

    Meanwhile, intersex people have unusual identities even if they are surgically altered to be one sex or another. They have campaigned to stop the practice. Some of them identify as neither sex or as both. Sometimes they have functioned as one or the other as the mood strikes them.

    For these and other reasons, I believe that some homosexuals cannot help themselves. They are who they are. Either they live lives of celebacy , or they live lies. Therefore, I see no reason not to give them rights the rest of us have.

    As I wrote before, I believe the federal government should insure that they have civil union rights and states should legalize their marriages if the voters approve.

    Sorry for the long post.

  • 820. James  |  July 8, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Happy birthday, Tex. The closest I’ve come to cookie bouquetes is the sugar coolies our daughter makes for me each Christmas.

    The concert sounds like fun, Rutherford.

    As for gaydar, I think a lot of the the lisping and swishing are cultural affectation. Normal women don’t do it. Why should even gays who are girly behave that way?

  • 821. PFesser  |  July 8, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Rutherford: re: God gene.

    Funny you should mention that. I just finished Hamer’s book on that subject last winter.

    Have any of you read Michael Chrichton’s “Environmentalism as Religion?”

    I’ll put that in a separate post to avoid the “no 2 links in one post” police.

  • 822. PFesser  |  July 8, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Rutherford, here you go:

    http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/2818/Crichton-Environmentalism-is-a-religion.aspx

    I find religion to be a very interesting human thought process. The connection Crichton makes, is (to my eye, anyway) that environmentalism fills that human need (religion) for atheists and intellectuals, but they for the most part don’t get what is happening.

    Thoughts?

  • 823. PFesser  |  July 8, 2012 at 9:53 am

    On the medical front: absolutely earth-shattering development in cancer research:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/health/in-gene-sequencing-treatment-for-leukemia-glimpses-of-the-future.html?_r=2&emc=na&pagewanted=all

    We have our fingers in the door-crack now. The conquest of cancer takes continuous slogging down there in the dirt, punctuated by occasional flashes of brilliant insight like this one. We will pry this sonofabitch open and cancer will become like infection: something annoying that you deal with when you get the time.

    My oldest cousin told me before he died that when he was in medical school in the early ‘forties they told the class that cancer would be conquered in less than ten years. Penicillin had just come out and since nothing had any immunity to it, infections just melted away. Shows where hubris will get you.

  • 824. James  |  July 8, 2012 at 10:42 am

    I’ve read the book, and I agree most of us are probably wired for religion because it serves an ancient biological purpose. Even some Neanderthals likely practiced a form of religion.

    Al Gore is the high priest of a religion, and some people worship Obama as the second coming, or they did before hope and change devolved into fear and loathing. Maybe that is a religion too.

    Somewhere, I have read an article of the same subject as the New York Times story you linked to.

    It reminds me of a man I met in the service. He was near death with lieukemia, and the grieving family was called to the hospital. But he didn’t die. His apparently spontaneious remission was so complete, he was back on duty and feeling good when I met him. I was transferred a year later. The man was still trucking on.

  • 825. Newt or no newt  |  July 8, 2012 at 11:02 am

    “Light skin carries some disadvantages, so changing color may have been an evolutionary plan B. As Newt wrote, skin color tends to darken as one approaches the equator.” I would be more comfortable if that was stated this way, ‘people with darker complexions are found nearer the equator.’ Actually there is more to it than that, because almost anyone could have reasoned that out with just visual observation, but I’m not going go into what those other factors are that apparently were drivers in determining the shade of our skin, if you are interested you can research Nina Joblonski’s theory on your own.
    I have heard of the god gene, it is another one of those allusive, we know it should be there, but physically we haven’t detected it yet, parts of our DNA, much like a gay gene. Time will tell, and I hope I am still around to hear about it.

  • 826. dead rabbit  |  July 8, 2012 at 11:05 am

    James, I’m guessing the percent of gay people who have some sort of issue with gender is small. So much so, that it’s almost a red herring. I doubt the Sacred Band of Thebes were people desperately longing to be chicks. Black chicks are riddled with aids because black dudes are locked up so much and apparently have a penchant for corn holing one another. Do you think blacks are more prone to the gay gene? I don’t have an agenda with what I’m trying to say. I’m on the fence with gay marriage. However, I’m really hesitant to declare a behaivor a people entitled to a goodie bag that invariably goes with the territory.

  • 827. Newt or no newt  |  July 8, 2012 at 11:28 am

    I think most people define religion as having a god (s) and at the very least an afterlife; so I think remarks like, “Al Gore is the high priest of a religion, and some people worship Obama as the second coming,” come under the ever broadening title of ‘right-wing talking points.’

  • 828. Tex Taylor  |  July 8, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    “Al Gore is the high priest of a religion, and some people worship Obama as the second coming,” come under the ever broadening title of ‘right-wing talking points.

    Not talking points. Facts. Environmentalism for many is absolutely form of worship of Mother Gaia, Mother Nature. Al Gore is a buffoon and huckster; Obama is a global disaster and demonic joke.

  • 829. muffy  |  July 8, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    @#827 – I might be arguing semantics but I couldn’t disagree more with those that do (“define religion as having a god (s) and at the very least an afterlife”).

  • 830. Tex Taylor  |  July 8, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Pfesser, interesting article in the treatment of cancer. The one thing that surprised me was that I thought these types of approaches studies had been ongoing. If so, it is a crime that we are wasting billions on fraudulent government – because this is one of the few areas where I think government could be a large part of the cure. That man’s medicines should not have been furnished by not by his insurance but by a public funding IMO like we would furnish lab rats.

    Do you remember back in the recesses of your mind about operons, signals and promoters?

    I hope they take this study one step further, and try to determine not just what the cell is producing (excessive protein), but why the gene is not being repressed.

    They may be doing that and I didn’t catch it in the article (it talked about RNA which didn’t tell me much about the approach in detail).

  • 831. muffy  |  July 8, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    ”Gaydar picks up on total contrived behaivor of someone telling the world they are gay.” -Rabbit

    I tend to agree. I was going to post a reply alluding to the sibilant “s” being 100% psychological when it comes to gay men. That extra little puff of air on the sound an “s” makes is an affectation, as opposed to a lisp related to physiologial or physical causes.

    The biological and cultural influences on femininity and masculinity is more food for thought.

    Your comments on the topic and on this entire thread in general resonate, rabbit.

  • 832. muffy  |  July 8, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    ”any of you heard of the God gene?” -Rutherford

    I believe in a “God consciousness” that is universal. I’m less inclined to think it’s biological in nature as opposed to psychological, but it’s not something that some people are born with while others are not.

    That might also describe my conclusions on the gay gene.

    ~

    #822 Crichton article.

    Yes, I gave it a cursory read through when I first heard of it. For some reason I remember wanting to watch something of his as a result that I hadn’t seen or given any thought to previously. Maybe “Congo.”

  • 833. dead rabbit  |  July 8, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Men don’t recieve anything in bouquet form and admit it . I don’t gove a fuck if its a bouquet of new york strip steaks. You crushed a crate of cookies, not a bouquet. Geez. You don’t see me telling the world how I get a loofah and bath and body works shower gel for my birthday and love it. Oh shit…..

  • 834. James  |  July 8, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Newt or no newt, thanks for the suggestion. I found several you tube lectures and “The Evolution of human skin coloration” by Nina Jablonsky and George Chaplin. I have book marked them, but I am a speed reader and have made it through most of the information.

    I wish she had been one of my college instructors. I like her style. However, my past has made me distrustful, of informational authority figures. it is why I reach my own conclusions.

    One conclusion I adopted was that females tend to be lighter pigmented than males.To read what she wrote made my day. The relative ratio of natural female to male blonds favors females. “”Females were found to be significantly lighter (ie. displaying higher reflectance values than males) regardless of the filter used to measure the reflectance.”

    I believe her discussion of (?) Robins helped support the reasons for lighter average female pigmentation. A vitamin D deficiency lowers the reproductive success rate. A lighter skinned woman would be more likely to produce healthy progeny.

    The years between 50,000 and 10,000 years ago were nasty at the peak of a later phase of the Ice Age. People were clothed and lived in shelters. People invented nets and other fishing gear during that time. I think river and beach dwellers were supplimenting their diets with fish and sea food. Therefore the need to process Vitamin D may not have been the only contributing factor to our white skin.

    I still believe white skin spread too fast to be a natural form of evolution. I think it began as a mutation. We know how another mutation for blue eyes spread almost explosively. Genetic bottle necks may have contributed to the spread as one population was nearly wiped out and mated with another. Finns and Sami people were nearly decimated twice in 10,000 years. It may explain their small percentage of Asian genes.

    I’ll accept your version of how it should be said, but as you know blond hair may have independently evolved in some South Pacific Islands, and some Africans are lighter-skinned than others.

    Wouldn’t it have been cool if Neanderthals did the whitening evolutionary work for caucasians and Asians? A study suggests whites may have inherited a stronger defense against disease than they originally had. Maybe we inherited their skin too.

  • 835. James  |  July 8, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    826

    dead rabbit, I guess you are right

    As for black men, I think it is a form of power expression than the work of a gay gene.

    Like you, I’m just guessing.

  • 836. James  |  July 8, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Newt or no newt, “I think that most people who define religion as having god (s) or at the very least an afterlife…” is wrong. I believe the impulse to worship something larger than us is culturally and biologically based.

    This impulse can take other forms such as self-love or “worshiping” our environmental movement. Actually worship of Obama was more like worship of a celebrity with religious overtones..

    Therefore as Tex wrote, Al Gore as high priest is fact, not a talking point.

  • 837. muffy  |  July 8, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    #814 blew me away.

    I’ve been mentally circling something for a long while having to do with life, life in the womb, personhood, “soul”, essense, identity. Recently gender, born of discussions here, entered in to the equation. I haven’t quite been able to put my finger on or articluate what I’m birddogging on, but I’m for sure going to be chewing on the last paragraph of that comment for the rest of the day.

  • 838. Tex Taylor  |  July 8, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Men don’t recieve anything in bouquet form and admit it .

    :lol: You know, Rabbit. If somebody calls me a pussy, but offers me a bouquet of cookies while doing so, I become rather wimpish and effeminate.

    Rutherford, I have a post in moderation, because my typing skills suck Obama, and I typed my email address incorrectly.

    Could you help a sap out? Because I want Pfesser to read that.

  • 839. Tex Taylor  |  July 8, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    I’ll fix this one myself. Delete the duplicate if you wish, Brother ‘R’. Because I misspelled intricacies anyway. :smile:

    ———–

    Pfesser, I have wondered this for quite some time. Help me out. It doesn’t just apply to you but millions like you. You’re simply my best source, a man of some commonality, I believe intelligent, who believes the way you believe.

    With as screwed up as this world is, as fallible as men are, Christians being no different and sometimes worse, your personal experiences of the damnation and destruction crowd, I really do understand your cynicism of religion. Most Christians do an incredibly poor job as representing ourselves as we should.

    Here’s what I don’t get. If you get the time, so give it some thought. You’re a man of mathematics and chance that enjoys its challenges like I do.

    How is that you cannot look at a strand of DNA, it’s semi conservation, its cellular cycle (which by the way its failure is what is driving the cancer), its ability to backtrack and error check and correct itself during replication, the incredible complexity of cell signaling and their ability to differentiate when and were required, and not see that in essence, DNA is the template of the most complex, yet ubiquitous living machine on the planet and here is the important part…

    …which in and of itself could never have happened randomly, even if you had all of infinity and all of the basic components, with the ability to sit around and wait the permutations of assembly?

    See, to me it is like if I threw down a trillion random pieces of a crossword puzzle with no piece that could ever rust, dissipate, dessicate, or disassociate, had some mechanical method to randomly push pieces together, and not only expected them to be placed in their proper order, side, sequence, and spatially orientation, but that being only the first step in assembly leading to operation. I haven’t even talked about all the other necessary components required to work.

    That’s one thing that has always confused me about you guys who refuse to believe outside the boundaries of physical theory. Perhaps it is not your failure to believe what I believe, but my failure to explain how I arrived at my conclusion that there absolutely has to be something more than our physical universe to explain its intricacies.

    This is not meant to start a debate as I have concluded I am incapable of changing your mind, but a curiosity of what do you perceive to be the shortcomings of my argument.

    Is it that I can’t give you physical proof of a designer, or is it that God himself has not revealed Himself, manifest Himself to you and asked you to believe by faith and His works which I find obvious?

    Because I believe something like DNA is your physical proof of one of many proofs a designer, an intercessor, a construction manager, whatever you would want to call it…

    …had to be.

  • 840. Rutherford  |  July 8, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    James. I just approved three of your comments which had a typo in your email domain name.

    As a rule for everyone: if you see your comments suddenly going into moderation it is either because the comment has more than three links in it OR your email address or blog name has a typo in it.

    Tex, I deleted your duplicate.

    P.S. Apologies to everyone who has made references to comments by number. Those references were probably made null and void by approving James’ earlier comments which effect the numbering system. Hopefully people can figure out what comment you were actually referring to.

  • 841. Rutherford  |  July 8, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    He also legalized a large number of undocumented people who will compete for jobs at the expense black people.

    If you’re going to be fair, counter that against a record number of deportations under Obama. Everyone loves to be selective in their criticism.

  • 842. Rutherford  |  July 8, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    Regards gay marriage what is the point of federal recognition?

    I believe Newt put it very nicely. The institution of marriage needs to be respected across state lines. A gay couple who marry in Massachusetts need to know their legal rights will be respected when they move to Mississippi although only God knows why they’d move there. ;-)

  • 843. Rutherford  |  July 8, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Alfie, I gather you think you’re being “realistic” about infrastructure upgrade but it’s to my mind a defeatist argument. We cannot allow our roads and bridges to be dangerous. We cannot allow our country to become a dystopian wasteland. (My turn for a little melodrama. :-) )

  • 844. Rutherford  |  July 8, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    Alfie actually comes pretty close to where I am going lately on gay “marriage”. I believe “marriage” should be the venue of the religious. I believe the legal contract between life partners (regardless of gender) should be the civil union. That clears up a lot of this mess we’re in. The government has no need to be involved in “marriage”. (I think it’s fair to say 90% of the objection to gay marriage is religious.)

  • 845. Rutherford  |  July 8, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    I think a lot of the the lisping and swishing are cultural affectation.

    I agree. I’ve also had a theory about the tone of the typical gay man’s voice and it is probably the most homo-prejudiced, vile theories to hit this board … but here goes … I’ve wondered if the gay man’s voice sounds that way due to semen coated vocal cords???

    Damn that comment’s gonna come back to haunt me. I just know it.

  • 846. Tex Taylor  |  July 8, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    If you had eaten Mississippi’s food and seen the women and compared it to Massachusett’s food and the women, you would know why. :wink:

    Actually, Mississippi is beautiful in large part – get outside Jackson and the delta.

    Nope Rutherford. You enlightened fools have no right to rule by tyranny of minority. If Barney Fagg wants to marry in Massachusetts, he can dip the wick there as ‘married.’ Not here.

    Barney may be the grossest man on earth and has no right to tell 80% of the people he has redefined marriage over God’s definition and the majority of American public. Not going to happen; not going to be recognized.

    If he doesn’t like it, he can move to Europe as millions of us applaud.

    What is ironic is why you don’t understand why so many of us hold your beloved Obama gov’t in contempt with the goosestepper tactics.

  • 847. Rutherford  |  July 8, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Of course in contradiction to my “theory” are Barney Frank and Harvey Fierstein.

  • 848. Rutherford  |  July 8, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    PF having not yet read your links I would agree that some atheists attach themselves to “science” with a religious fervor equal to that of any bible thumper. This may indeed be a manifestation of how their “God gene” plays out in daily life.

  • 849. Rutherford  |  July 8, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    PF, a dumb question from a non-doctor: since cancer can strike virtually every part of the body and some of them (pancreatic for example) are much tougher to crack than others, is a “cure” for cancer ever possible? Or do all cancers share some common trait that, if we crack it, we cure it?

  • 850. Rutherford  |  July 8, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    LOL Rabbit’s last comment on body gel cracked me up. Also a bouquet of New York strip steaks.

    THIS is the Rabbit I like …. funny as hell and not so damn angry!

  • 851. Rutherford  |  July 8, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Tex, I know your question was directed at PF but I’d like to take a crack at it.

    If the concept of God was as “designer” I’m not sure I’d have all that much objection. I don’t think science has PROVEN how something as miraculous as a string of DNA could possibly exist or have been created. I’m not even sure evolution or the big bang theory accounts for DNA per se. So if the notion of God satisfies that puzzle, at least for the time being, no biggie.

    But your God is much much more than that. Your God has morality attached to Him. He has the supernatural manifest in an otherwise ordinary looking human body (Christ).

    I can’t speak for PF but God as designer doesn’t particularly “offend” me.

  • 852. nagic  |  July 8, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    If you’re going to be fair, counter that against a record number of deportations under Obama.

    Could you show some documentation backing this up?

  • 853. nagic  |  July 8, 2012 at 9:20 pm

  • 854. Tex Taylor  |  July 8, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Rutherford, a heads up. It’s not that pancreatic cancer is so hard “to crack.” It’s that it generally diagnosed so late in the game. That’s what makes it appear to be such a lethal killer.

    Just guessing as I’m no oncologist, but I would wager cancer of any of the central nervous system cancers the most lethal, for no other reason of the barriers imposed.

    Side note: My daughter’s boyfriend the 3rd year med student’s mother (what a mouth full), recently died from ALS (Lou Gehrig). Daughter #1 was explaining to me they can watch the damage of the neurons, but can’t do much to attempt to treat it because of where it is located. You get a disease in the CNS, and you had better hope your own immune system is functional. My own wife got meningitis back in 1980 and damn near died from it.

    And though I’ll defer to Pfesser as the anatomical expert, it was my observation during dissecting the gut, the pancreas is one damn hard organ to get to. I can’t remember what it looked like on an MRI, but it looked like a nasty carrot in my hand. :smile: All the organs reminded me of food. Kidneys look like beans.

    Maybe it was making me hungry, or something.

  • 855. Tex Taylor  |  July 8, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    But your God is much much more than that.

    Yes He is. I believe He’s everything you see and everything you know or will ever know.

    Your God has morality attached to Him.

    Yes He does. Would be a pretty impersonal God if He didn’t.

    He has the supernatural manifest in an otherwise ordinary looking human body (Christ).

    Ironically and unfortunately, a heathen like you understands something many people calling themselves Christian do not. That is, Christ claimed to be not only righteous, but God. And so did Isaiah claim Christ as God amongst others 700 years before He was born – hence the name Immanuel.

    In fact, you got two things right. Isaiah called him an ordinary looking man too.

    You’re getting better at this, Brother R.

  • 857. nagic  |  July 8, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Rutherford…how is it again that OWS is the superior movement with high ideals?

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fu-the-police-occupiers-celebrate-4th-of-july-march-by-burning-american-flags-and-vandalizing-police-property/

  • 859. James  |  July 8, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    That comment about gay voices was harsh, Rutherford, but funny.

    Yes, to be fair we have to include the people who were deported, and we also can include the people who moved out because of the bad economy. However, given the number of jobs we need to produce, the recipeants of the amnesty will out compete and take jobs natives would have had.

    My aunt was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer thirty years ago. She was dead within six weeks.

    A friend was diagnosed and had surgery in January. We visited his wife, him and some friends on the week before last. He looks good and has gained a little weight. His doctor said he has passed the average time of death for someone in his condition. His tumor was encapsalated.

    As Tex wrote, you “have no right to rule by tyrany of minority.” You don’t. While I looked for the book Newt or no newt recommended, I found a story about Herman of Germany. The Germans believed the tyrany of the Roman Empire was wrong, so they killed 20,000 legionares after they were pushed too far. Eventually Alaric the Goth sacked Rome. It could happen again.

    OWS is an inferior movement that rhymes with owl. .

    I’m sure its a coincidence too.

  • 860. James  |  July 8, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Our son and daughter-in law called this evening. I told our son about Herman the German, and he accused me of looking at porn.

  • 861. poolman  |  July 8, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Happy belated birthday, Tex.

    I always forget how nice it is to get out of town for several days. I’m back in town now and subject to the heat. I love this state, if not only for its diversity. Had a wonderful time and rediscovered stars in the night sky.

    Lots of exciting things happening around the globe. Too many to list right now. Okay, just one. Joseph Farah claiming the administration spying on him in rural VA via drone. Enemies of the POTUS beware! Yikes!

    I checked out most of the posts and everyone seems civil. Very nice. A real Kumbaya experience. :smile: Carry on.

  • 862. Tex Taylor  |  July 9, 2012 at 12:14 am

    Thank you, Poolman. Welcome back. How’s that for civility?

    Looks like BO is still running with a top notch crowd. :lol: Some things just write themselves.

    Man Who Introduced Obama At Rally Owes $500,000 To Former Employer

    http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2012/07/08/man-who-introduced-obama-at-rally-stole-former-employers-trade-secrets/

  • 863. Tex Taylor  |  July 9, 2012 at 12:18 am

    Mr. Rutherford, don’t know if this was your corporate experience, but it certainly was similar to mine, explaining why I have been in no hurry to get back, though I need to.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2012/07/03/the-terrible-management-technique-that-cost-microsoft-its-creativity/

  • 864. muffy  |  July 9, 2012 at 12:56 am

    Tex, I used to work for Microsoft, did I ever tell you that? I was super curious when I saw your link. I would have guessed that promoting people who were good at one thing into leadership positions on unrelated projects or departments was their biggest blunder.

    But stack ranking! Of course. Makes total sense. They stack ranked at my last job here in Chicago too. So dumb.

    Stack ranking sees to it that everything that can go into a bad decision does.

  • 865. muffy  |  July 9, 2012 at 1:01 am

    There was a link in that article about 5 CEO’s that should be fired and I knew Ballmer would be on it – turns out he’s #1!

    I couldn’t agree more.

    It looks like Ballmer is on the ropes. People have started to notice the little secret that Steve B is a big dummy.

  • 866. Rutherford  |  July 9, 2012 at 1:26 am

    For Noah … Obama’s deportation record:

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/obamas-record-high-deportations-draw-hispanic-scorn/

  • 867. Rutherford  |  July 9, 2012 at 1:36 am

    Just a coincidence, I’m sure. :wink:

    Wink all you like. You have yet to answer my question about how it is that Republican governors preside over what you estimate are the worst urban nightmares in America — New Orleans and Detroit.

  • 868. Rutherford  |  July 9, 2012 at 1:43 am

    Yeah, I read a short paragraph on Ballmer’s supposed failures before I saw Tex’s link. My corporate experience was odd in that my company had very different cultures depending on where you worked. I always got the impression our research division worked unfettered and folks there were enormously “happy”. I didn’t get the impression that they suffered from the bureaucracy and no-creativity-culture that my divisions suffered from.

    But from what I’ve read about Microsoft under Ballmer, yes it rings very true.

  • 869. Rutherford  |  July 9, 2012 at 1:46 am

    What I’d be curious about is with Jobs gone, will Apple see a decline in the near future? When a company loses its visionary, things can go wrong. Perhaps Microsoft needed Gates hands on more than it knew?

  • 870. PFesser  |  July 9, 2012 at 7:13 am

    Tex opined:
    “…which in and of itself could never have happened randomly, even if you had all of infinity and all of the basic components, with the ability to sit around and wait the permutations of assembly?”

    We’ve been through this before, time and time-again. It’s not random. If it were, it would as you say, be mathematically impossible. But it is NOT random. It is directed by that unseen hand of survival – rather like Adam Smith’s unseen hand that guides successful economies. That non-random directivity is precisely what makes it work, isn’t it?

    R noted:
    “PF, a dumb question from a non-doctor: since cancer can strike virtually every part of the body and some of them (pancreatic for example) are much tougher to crack than others, is a “cure” for cancer ever possible? Or do all cancers share some common trait that, if we crack it, we cure it?”

    As for “dumb question” – my karate instructor in college always said that the only dumb question is the one you did not ask.

    Common trait? Well, they certainly share a common *behavior.* My bet is that almost all cancers (“almost” – hedging there a little) will turn out to represent a common gene – if not exactly the same DNA sequence, then different genes that at least evolved from a common ancestor. Pancreatic CA can be a very bad actor, largely because it is in a clinically rather silent area of the body, but close to critical structures, and there are not good drugs to treat it yet. It also drains to the liver, which is not a good place to get metastatic deposits of tumor.

    To my mind, the greatest breakthrough noted in the NYT article is the change in *thought process*. It’s one of those things where you slap your head and say, “What a damned fool I’ve been!” You simply DNA-sequence the cancer tissue and then the normal tissue from *the same organ* and compare the sequences. Jesus, how simple and elegant!

    And yes, we will cure them all. No question about it. The only question has always been “when,” and we can now say with confidence, “soon.”

  • 871. James  |  July 9, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Rutherford, I can explain New Orleans and Detroit–the previous Democratic administrations. It takes time to fix disfunction.

    Once again, I am playing by liberal rules. If our sluggish economy is Bush’s fault, Democrats are to blame for Detroit and New Orleans.

    Some of the earlier discussion sounds like the Peter Principal is afoot.

  • 872. James  |  July 9, 2012 at 7:36 am

    Another example is a man who wrapped 144 sparklers with duct tape. He caused an explosion which took off his hand and blew out three neighbors’ windows.

  • 873. Tex Taylor  |  July 9, 2012 at 10:08 am

    But it is NOT random. It is directed by that unseen hand of survival – rather like Adam Smith’s unseen hand that guides successful economies. That non-random directivity is precisely what makes it work, isn’t it?

    Finally. It took a year. You’re getting there. Now give me explanation of that unseen hand that guided the successes of survival.

    If it is not random or by accident, what is it then? It would certainly appear to be a logical step. And logic dictates thought, and thought reasoning, and reasoning intelligence.

    I’m going to level with you, Pfesser. Something you don’t recognize in yourself, but I do. Your doubt isn’t scientific or absence of proof. Frankly, you’re too smart for that. It’s personal and it’s a choice of convenience, because I’m guessing you don’t want to go where the argument invariably leads and you’re not alone.

    When I’ve attempted to ask you the tough questions, your answers has been about superficial as our recovery summers and jobs saved. Your answer is no answer. It’s generally encapsulated in something like, “We haven’t discovered it – YET.” Keep hoping, because a hundred years from now, scientists are going to look back at the ignorance taught in higher academia and shake their heads.

    I would remind you that we haven’t recovered YET under Obama – and the chances certain we never will until the course is changed.

    Same for your answers…

  • 874. Tex Taylor  |  July 9, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Speaking of encapsulating, I dare Rutherford to read this article and tell me where Victor Davis Hansen is wrong – anywhere.

    Five minutes in four long years, and VDH will not only explain why Obama is a joke, but just how hypocritical virtually anybody that votes Dimocratic these days really is.

    Your vote Rutherford will be nothing but political bias – because it sure won’t be established by performance or goals met. It’s time for you to admit Obama has not just been a disappointment, but failure.

    http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/tuning-out-a-president/

  • 875. Alfie  |  July 9, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Alfie, I gather you think you’re being “realistic” about infrastructure upgrade but it’s to my mind a defeatist argument. We cannot allow our roads and bridges to be dangerous. We cannot allow our country to become a dystopian wasteland.
    Ummm yeah?! I tend to be realistic but the rest of your comment hints that you didn’t get me.
    Our roads and bridges in many places are dangerous but it isn’t from a lack of funding. It is from a lack of proper governance.
    Everything else I touched on in the previous comment (currently numbered 787) rings true. Setting aside funds for piss ant level projects and minor Keynesian hackery isn’t gonna get it done R. A total paradigm shift is needed! For example….government rail is a loser PERIOD!. What government could do though is unleash the free market on a defined model. See that is where govt. does have a useful and positive role. I’m from the school that government should outline the task. The task in this case should be nationwide intermodal hubs. The hubs should integrate not only transit/transport aspects but also energy infrastructure aspects such as power generation and transmission. These could very well include “green” sources such as turbines and solar. THAT would be the nation moving,employment machine,future assuring kind of thing everyone seems to be dreaming of. Just sayin’

  • 876. PFesser  |  July 9, 2012 at 10:33 am

    “Now give me explanation of that unseen hand that guided the successes of survival.”

    I’m not following you. Those organisms – or even molecules – that bear marks which enhance their survival, well, survive. Those that do not, do not. Those that do not survive do not pass those beneficial characteristics down. It ain’t that complicated, but the implications are subtle, elegant and far-reaching.

    “If it is not random or by accident, what is it then?”

    Non-random. As above…

    “Your doubt isn’t scientific or absence of proof.”

    Doubt about what? I think I’m probably the most doubtless person you (almost) know.

    “When I’ve attempted to ask you the tough questions,”

    You have asked no tough questions.

    “Keep hoping, because a hundred years from now, scientists are going to look back at the ignorance taught in higher academia and shake their heads.”

    Ah, the pin-headed academic argument. LOL I’ve made it myself, I must admit.

    It’s all a question of evidence – and the Scientific Method. The beauty of science is that it seeks the truth, but at the same time is agnostic about what the truth IS.

    The sadness of religion is that it seeks to prove a point – and truth is irrelevant. Opposing evidence – or just lack of evidence – is ignored or ridiculed. “It’s all about faith,” they say.

    Keep the faith, Baby; show ME the evidence.

    “would remind you that we haven’t recovered YET under Obama – and the chances certain we never will until the course is changed.
    Same for your answers…”

    Nice try at tying two unrelated topics together, but they are, of course, unrelated.

  • 877. dead rabbit  |  July 9, 2012 at 10:34 am

    I don’t know about the Big Easy, but there is no government or policy or elected official that can fix Detroit. Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall…

  • 878. Tex Taylor  |  July 9, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Gibberish Pfesser, my good man. You didn’t answer a thing. We’ll keep this simple.

    You want a tough question, because you’ve avoided them like the plague before. You’ve been asked dozens, and in fact, never answer.

    I gave up long ago hoping there might be something besides smug monologue ad nauseum – without real response. That’s what we’ve been over dozens of times. You marginalize the question, then provide no answer. Contrary to your assertions, Obama is the perfect analogy – he never answers a question either. The point is, you have no answers. You have snark.

    So here’s the tough question. Easy as I can pose.

    Explain the evolution of gender please. And give us something besides the advantages of sharing of genes – something beyond the ninth grade biology student answer from textbook.

    I want to know the path that brought us there – not the perceived advantages….

  • 879. Alfie  |  July 9, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Rutherford I’d advise you not to stock too much faith in the deportation numbers. From a purely nonpartisan standpoint the numbers are kind of a myth wrapped up in a progressive anomaly.
    Bush’s average includes a starting base that was pretty weak. It grew though and at its zenith was only 4-6k less than Obamas record setter.
    Here’s the rub though. The numbers are caused by the progressive implementation of improved border security via manpower,technology and programs such as the joint Safe Streets thing.
    Unfortunately for number whores the numbers are also inflated under Obama due to the new protocol of counting voluntary deportations. Also “returns” under the catch and release scenario got counted. Over the course of a year if the same illegal was caught and tossed back over the border his “deportation” counted each time.
    There are other things that could be said but to get back to the nonpartisan angle,I think it safe today that the Oval has had less to do with anything ICE is doing than we’d like to admit.

  • 880. Alfie  |  July 9, 2012 at 10:52 am

    @877 dead rabbit. Serious question since you grew up there,have connections etc and live in the state. Does Detroit have value? What I mean by that is historically our cities were founded where they were for reasons. Some evolved and stayed relevant. My question is does Detroit hold any geo-value still?

  • 881. Tex Taylor  |  July 9, 2012 at 11:07 am

    It’s all a question of evidence – and the Scientific Method. The beauty of science is that it seeks the truth, but at the same time is agnostic about what the truth IS.

    Other than you can’t use the beloved scientific method to evaluate the ‘how’ of that we discuss. Exactly what is that you hope to repeat and observe in your hypothesis?

    So we’re back to speculation and plausible theory, aren’t we? :smile:

    That’s the most laughable argument of them all. When I see scientific method mentioned in conjunction with the Theory of Evolution, I know immediately that conversation is going to go nowhere, because the only fallback once asked will be trying to apply testing to something that can’t possibly be proven unless the process can repeat itself.

    I highly doubt will be observing a Cambrian Explosion once again anytime soon.

  • 882. Tex Taylor  |  July 9, 2012 at 11:16 am

    On a more important note concerning everyone, this is exactly why I believe not only must Obama go and go quickly, but Romney may get the ‘Bush’ blame for obstacles well out of his control, should he win.

    Not that I think this particular guy some profit prophet, but he is right about the ‘perfect storm.’

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/roubini-perfect-storm-unfolding-now-104907590.html

    Outlook: bleak. Nothing more than gut feel guys and gals, but my better angels are telling me bad times are ahead.

    I’m flummoxed, hamstrung, frozen. I know the system is collapsing upon itself and there are simply too many dependents anymore creating too much debt. But I also know sitting here in cash, I’m also quickly being bled with inflation.

    For the first time in my adult life, I see no good alternatives. Frustrating. What to do?

  • 883. nagic  |  July 9, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Tex Happy 52

    Rutherford..from your article.
    Last year, 55% of those deported were convicted criminals, the highest percentage in nearly a decade.

    Seems to me the record number is due more to increased crimes than policy.

  • 884. nagic  |  July 9, 2012 at 11:31 am

    For the first time in my adult life, I see no good alternatives. Frustrating. What to do?

    Buy lots and lots of rations. The one’s we purchased are good for 3 years. Buy land and be able to grow your own food. Cash, gold, and silver will be all but useless. Farmers will be the new rich when it all goes down.

  • 885. Rutherford  |  July 9, 2012 at 11:34 am

    For once, a commercial worth watching (from the BBC)

  • 886. poolman  |  July 9, 2012 at 11:39 am

    For the first time in my adult life, I see no good alternatives. Frustrating. What to do?

    One alternative where inflation and politicos cannot tread… …stockpile treasure in heaven.

    Or while still here, or for nonbelievers, another alternative is happening all around the land. Get your money out of the failing system.

  • 887. Alfie  |  July 9, 2012 at 11:41 am

    @ Tex fwiw I think we all just need to focus on being actively engaged and proactive in our actions. You sense a dog in your portfolio? Let it go. You own land? Keep a tight grip on it. Money in only one bank? Split it up.
    Personally I don’t believe we’re on the edge of an economic apocalypse rather we’re very much on the edge of the biggest market correction in human history. I also believe the US consumer is the ultimate keystone in this. We are about to be taught a harsh lesson on consumption but markets will adapt.We will survive and hopefully be stronger savers because of it.
    If I were to express this in imagery I’d say we’re wading in choppy water and on the horizon we see a huge wave. We just have to time our breath holding just right…

  • 888. poolman  |  July 9, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Here’s some real community organizing for you.

  • 889. Rutherford  |  July 9, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    A question for the group but particularly for Alfie and Gorilla … what do you think about Libya NOT going Islamist in their recent elections?

  • 890. Tex Taylor  |  July 9, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Hey Rutherford, my dear friend. Does Chrissie Hayes have a new book out? Is it called Elites? Have you bought one, if so?

    Well, here’s some investment advice then. If you hold one, hang onto it. A hundred years from now, it might be worth something, and you would be one of the 6,144 to buy one. :lol:

  • 891. Rutherford  |  July 9, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    I know there are some here who won’t watch videos posted by Poolman but I strongly recommend watching 888 if only for the sake of discussion. Is this a viable idea … time-based-money and potentially each state creating their own currency?

    Poolman this sort of reminded me of a sinister film that came out either late last year or early this year where folks were allotted time and if I remember correctly the time could be bartered or taken away via penalty. Of course, when time is up …. it’s curtains.

  • 892. Rutherford  |  July 9, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Tex, very funny. Yes Chris Hayes has a new book out about the changes in our meritocracy over the years and its contribution to our current problems. No I haven’t bought it and don’t plan to but that’s not saying much. I’m not a big reader. Right now I’m snailing my way through “It’s Even Worse Than it Looks” by Mann and Ornstein. It’s a good read but as I’ve said repeatedly, I’m a slow reader.

    I think Maddow and Matthews had moderate successes with their recent books. I have no doubt Hayes will do fairly well with his also. Liberals will gobble the book up …. and despite your refusal to admit it, there are a lot of us out there. ;-)

  • 893. muffy  |  July 9, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    “Alfie, I gather you think you’re being “realistic” about infrastructure upgrade but it’s to my mind a defeatist argument. We cannot allow our roads and bridges to be dangerous. We cannot allow our country to become a dystopian wasteland.”

    Alfie already answered this several times. There are better ways.

    Raum has embraced privatizing Chicago’s infrastructure.

    http://www.cityofchicago.or