The Hypocrisy of Disney

Recently the kids entertainment behemoth Disney announced that effective 2015 they will no longer allow advertisements for junk food on their television and radio networks. At first blush this may seem laudable. Impressionable youngsters see the ads and beg their parents for Count Chocula cereal and a host of other worthless edibles. The Christian Science Monitor, however took issue with the ban because concurrent with the ban will be a new branding campaign whereby certain foods will carry an image of Mickey Mouse as an indication of healthfulness. In the words of The Monitor, Disney will essentially be getting into the branding health business. Lots of “good foods” might come along with what amounts to a commercial for Disney. So now instead of kids watching “Wizards of Waverly Place” and asking for junk food because of the commercials, they will see a pile of apples at the supermarket and ask to watch Disney because they see Mickey’s picture on the fruit.

While I understand The Monitor’s concern with what looks like a cynical advertising play, I have a deeper concern. Because I have an eight year old daughter, I’ve watched way more of the Disney Channel than any grown man should have to. With the exception of a handful of shows such as “Good Luck Charlie”, most Disney channel live action shows depict a world inhabited by wise cracking disrespectful preteens and teens who amazingly have no adults in their lives. In those few scenes where adults appear, they are depicted as either cruel or utterly stupid. What has always galled me is that the smart-ass dialog spoken by these kids wasn’t written by kids but by adult writers who think kids like to see other kids be obnoxious. Of the dozens of characters on these shows, I could probably count on one hand the ones I would want my daughter to emulate. What further unnerved me was that I always associated Disney with wholesome entertainment so it took me aback to see preteens shaking their asses to Disney’s lame version of rap music.

For Disney to make a big deal out of influencing what kids eat when they don’t give a damn about the role models they put in these kids minds strikes me as the height of hypocrisy. Disney needs to focus on the content in between the commercials.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  1. The magical kingdom of Walt Disney. :roll: I don’t have the time today to get started down THAT path…

  2. Well, I suspect this is one thread where you are going to get a lot of agreement. Short of GE, I can’t think of a more hypocritical, pretentious company on the entire planet marketing themselves as something they are not.

    As far as I’m concerned, I’ve made my last trip to Disney World. Family entertainment, my ass.

    This is not Walt Disney’s company anymore that you and I enjoyed as children, Mr. Rutherford – as you obviously understand even better than I do.

    And I suppose Disney is going to sell their overpriced “apples” at the themes park too, hey? And bring in all the supremely “healthy” food for all the children? Yeah, we will see how that goes over with the masses.

    Tell you this much. There’s a theme park in Branson called Silver Dollar City that I’m not sure I don’t think better than Disneyworld. We spent a couple of days over there with my two grown daughters last week, and had more fun there than we ever did at Disneyworld. If they would control the billboard crap (overkill), the state is a hell of a lot prettier than Florida or Anaheim.

    Uncrowded and well managed, enough kick ass roller coasters for the fastest crowd, clean, the grounds beautiful with flower arrangements and native plants everywhere – the crafts including the glass blowing are fascinating, our passes about $55.00 a piece for 2 day. And the food was the most fattening shit on earth. I’m not going to a theme park to eat apples that aren’t covered in caramels and pecans or some gooey dress up.

    P.S. to Alfie – saw your comment about firefighters over on the other thread. Used to be a group I admired greatly – still do the volunteers. But Tulsa’s Firefighter’s union, like the police, like the teachers, like like like…got political and chose Dimocrat. Bad choice, firefighters in Tulsa, OK. :smile: Got cut down to size quickly.

    Haven’t heard much in 2-3 years.

  3. Rutherford, “Reawakening the Radical Imagination:The Origins of Occupy Wall Street, Conservipedia, and other sources tell a story different from yours.

    This is from James from the previous thread. James, Conservapedia? Really? I just looked at that site and it is the very definition of right wing propaganda.

    I will give you this. Whatever the motives of the core founders of the movement, many of the folks who joined Occupy in the early days were sincere about immoral wealth distribution within our country. Perhaps they were pawns of a more devious bunch of founders? I can’t swear otherwise. But to dismiss OWS as a meaningless venture is simply a misread of history.

    P.S. Yes, I am the first one to go officially off topic on this thread. Go figure.

  4. Those shows are very strange. I know the ones Rutherford is talking about. I get a weird vibe from some of the undertones.

    My brother’s brother in law is a grown man who collects Disney shit. Can you believe that? He wears Micky Mouse shirts and shit. My brother said he couldn’t talk to him from the moment he learned that about him. A couple of my asshole brothers ripped on that guy so bad at the bachelors party my brother’s wofe got wind of it.

    My wife got arrested at Disney World for shop lifting when she was an early teen. They threw her and her friend in a massive underground prison at Disney. She claims weirdos came down their and told her how upset she made Mickey. My wife says her friend (who today is a cop) “Fuck Mickey”!

  5. Ok. I throw in the towel. I’m buying a computer. I can’t see what I’m typing as soon Im balls deep into a rant.

  6. Conservapedia. That cracked me up. That being said, any one with an ounce of street smarts knew who the OWS protesters were. Of course, as per usual, MSNBC made Rutherford look like a total MORON when he followed their narrative of the protest.

  7. Conservapedia? Really? I just looked at that site and it is the very definition of right wing propaganda.

    They have written their own Bible version, too. The NT was WAY too liberal for them. :lol:

    But to dismiss OWS as a meaningless venture is simply a misread of history.

    Far from meaningless. Far from over. The movement may not be cluttering up the public streets, but it is actually growing, albeit underground. The resistance to OWS by the 1 percenters has been pretty intense, often brutal, with many arrests and denials of citizen rights. They have tried unsuccessfully to ‘send a message’ to protesters.

    Massive money and propaganda has been put out to shut down the movement and the message.

    This is very unlike TP Lite movement where a lot of money went in to co-opt and promote it.

    But no, don’t be delusional, the movement hasn’t fizzled…

  8. Ooooooo, the Mayan date of doom! I’m so glad that these guys are original in what they do. I mean, it’s not like they stole a date, a look, and act or an idea. Clearly a “fresh” look at things.

    Yup, nothing astro about these cats. Nope, those Union buses belong to someone else, nothing to see here.

    But we knew they’d be up the piss pots lane. Hell, have you found an anti-Semitic bunch he didn’t like? You want comedy, look at his little Syrian conspiracy link which is full of “sources”, like al-Manar and SANA. You know, SANA (Syrian Arab News Agency) and al-Manar (Hezbollah’s propaganda arm). Surely they would have, dare I say it, a fair and balanced view on the violence going on in Syria. They wouldn’t have an agenda at all, of course not.

    And those poor, misunderstood Syrian protesters. I mean, clearly the al-Nusrah Front is just misunderstood. It’s only a coincidence that it is SUNNI and attacking SHIA and espousing Salafist ideology consistent with al-Qaeda. Tisk, tisk, tisk, I almost forgot, al-Qaeda doesn’t exist. It is merely a figment of all our collective imaginations.

    My, my, my, it amazes me how you are able to link and espouse SO many racist websites and positions and never once have R question you, chastise you, hell, just acknowledge that you are in fact a racist. An ignorant racist at that, but then again, all racists are ignorant, now aren’t they.

    You can have your racist OWS. Enjoy your criminal enterprises like Anonymous and the Anarchists in general. They say far more about who you are then you’ll ever know.

    P.S. Fuck you.

  9. I’m wearing a “Goofy” shirt right now. It says, “What you don’t know, you don’t know.” Hey, that’s where Rumsfeld got it. ;)

    Bow Wow Wow’s take:

  10. Well, I have to admit to Rutherford – and this is the truth. I’m wearing a sweaty “Grumpy” tank top that I use to mow the lawn and paint. :grin:

    But I wiped my dirty face on it to spite them, “R”.

    My baby daughter saw it on me last week while mowing the lawn (my kids bought it for me back in 1999, I think) and exclaimed, “I can’t believe you’ve still got that, Dad!!!”

  11. I know I’m doing good when I get the apes rattling their cages. :wink:

    Damn soulless media playing out the Sandusky trial. This is a SICK fucking country. And that’s not the ‘cool’ sick, or the cool fuck.

    Yeah Magilla, defend that shit. Tool.

  12. I’m not going to a theme park to eat apples that aren’t covered in caramels and pecans or some gooey dress up.-Tex

    OMG, Tex and I finally agree on something :-)

    I do have to agree with you R on this post. The Disney image in my opinion regarding tweens and teens was over the edge on Hanna Montana. Be happy your daughter won’t have that image to emulate but I’m sure there will be others.

    Disney is capitalism at it’s best. Which is better, Kellog and frosted flakes or Disney with Mickey apples? Once we start taxing sugar that apple might be cheaper then the cereal. Of course the tax on sugar (obesity) is missing the point as it should be a tax on HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) where in lies the culprit not the sugar industry. The corn industry has more lobbyists than the sugar industry. Welcome to prohibition.

  13. OMG, Tex and I finally agree on something.

    {Gives pause}. Well, I reconsider then. :twisted: I’m going back to Silver Dollar City to eat a healthy apple upon entry, and maybe some tofu.

    “R”, before I had ridden my first roller coaster last week, I had eaten an apple turnover, a cinnamon apple fritter, and a handful of saltwater taffy my wife bought. Hell, I had already eaten two waffles bathed in walnuts, strawberries and syrup at the hotel. That was in first 30 minutes. :lol:

    My wife had blue lips from the taffy which I teased her about unmercifully about while we waited in line, while she noted it looked like somebody had rubbed a honey bun on my face from the fritter. True love.

    Then lunch consisted of more salt water taffy, a turkey leg, and cinnamon bread. :lol: You can see what I think theme parks are really for.

    I got back to the hotel room and felt like Violet Beauregarde when she turned into a blueberry. And her comes my wife and kids with dinner as I laid down on the bed.

    Pizza!

    Barf….

    Then I repeated the process the next day. My system is still screwed up.

  14. Defend what? I’m not buying into either fucking side. I say, stay the fuck out and let them figure it out. But I’m certainly not stupid enough to think that Syria or Hezbollah are the “good” guys in this, nor do I believe this is about Israel. It’s not, it’s all about the Syrian people and the their government. Morons who want to get involved (Hillary, Obama, McCain) are just that, morons. Liars who want to make this about something else or promote idiots like Anonymous, like you, are just that liars.

    You’re clearly one of the dumbest motherfuckers to ever take up oxygen, and are a complete fucking waste of flesh.

    By the way, did I mention Fuck you?

  15. No, you’re not buying, you’re selling one particular side. But I’m certain you’re right at home on this planet of the apes…

  16. Read the bottom of your script. (Or have someone read it to you if you’re not advanced to that level yet.) It’s the one that says,

    ‘I’m Uncle Sam and I approve this propaganda message.”

  17. Wow. I was really inspired by Obama’s speech. :roll:

    Now that the press is criticizing him personally, he’s definitely in trouble.

    Suck.

    On.

    That.

    Bwahahahahahahahah!

  18. There is nothing worse then a perpetual slanderer except maybe a slanderer who thinks he is courageously doing Jesus’ work. Little fuck wad gets the red carpet rolled out for him on this blog too.

    Poolman, does your wife take part in your hurtful tabloid lies or does she merely laugh at you like Rutherford does.

  19. If find Anonymous to be interesting. Its a guilty pleasure of mine to keep tabs on what they are up to. I don’t condone them in any shape or form. And 90 percent is hype anyways. I guess I’m blown away that we live in a sci fi type world where groups like them can even exist.

  20. She actually thinks I am wasting my time trying to educate you guys. No one ever addresses the questions I raise, just gives me shit. She thinks you are idiots, and “not worth the powder and lead…”

    But then, I’m the patient and ever optimistic one. :wink:

    No one attempted the Operation Northwoods discussion. Chicken shits.

  21. “Educate us”. I can just imagine you lecturing the Thanksgiving dinner table and the family thinking you are a deep thinker. A man’s home really is his castle. God Bless America.

  22. Thanksgiving is a fraud too. What we learn in school is total bullshit. Some will never learn, because they don’t want to be responsible. It doesn’t matter how in their face the truth is presented. They’ll still tell you two commercial jets can take out 3 modern steel skyscrapers in 9 hours. Never happened before ever, but then they’ll claim they don’t believe in miracles. Unless Disney produces it, or because they saw it on TV. :roll: Like the TV is some truth-telling god.

    We never listen to those trying to wake us up, if it takes us out of our comfort zone. We rather say, they’re crazy. A conspiracy nut. A loon. Like this patriot. He knows what this republic should look like.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/06/13/jesse-ventura-explains-why-governments-are-like-gangs/

  23. I don’t think of you as a loon. I see you first amd foremost as a pussy. If I believed the things you do, I’d be doing more then anonymously posting links amd waxing on how indebted you are to planned parenthood.

    I forgot. You can’t do anything because your a “Christian” and that means you can’t fight for country amd family. So you post scripture now and then while you spread filthy falsehoods. Your shit is not cutting edge. It boils down to the same old ignorance that as plagued the West for a thousand years: The kikes run the world through deciet and black magic.

  24. Well rabbit, you don’t really know what being a “Christian” is supposed to look like. I can forgive you that. If you knew, or claimed to know, then there would no excuse. Maybe try picking up a NT and read Acts Chapters 6 and 7.

    That’s your homework assignment. Study good. there might be a pop quiz.

  25. I guess one down side to no longer having a universal church is we can no longer excomunicate shads like you…or better yet barbeque.

  26. Rutherford, then why is it last I checked some -8 months ago they had over 300 FELONY arrests?

    From the prior thread from Noah.

    Noah, who is “they”? OWS had bad actors. Nobody is denying that. They don’t define the movement. Just as the dude calling Obama a “lyin’ African” didn’t define the Tea Party …. or did he? ;-)

  27. Poolman, I am almost sure you suffer from negativistic passive-aggressive sadistic syndrome. You’re resentful of anything good, always siding with evil.

    You need to seek professional help. I am trying to give you good advice which I can virtually guarantee you’ll ignore.

    This Syria thing is a new low. There are babies being slaughtered by rabid animals – and you’re trying to score some warped points with your continual machinations and complaints of being misunderstood, unappreciated, and victimized by others.

    Consider:
    * angry and pessimistic attitudes toward a variety of events;
    * unreasonable criticism and scorn toward those in authority;
    * envy and resentment toward those who are more fortunate;
    * oppositional behavior

    Throw in this passive aggressive passivity you practice, and the symptoms couldn’t be more pronounced and obvious.

    Somebody has traumatized you someplace big time.

  28. Damn soulless media playing out the Sandusky trial.

    Interestingly Poolman, to hear Chris Matthews talk about it, he considers it a public service to not only cover the trial but cover it graphically. He says too often we sugar-coat these crimes and the public doesn’t really know how horrible they are. He may have a point.

    On a related note, the other day on Hardball, the topic came up of whether or not Sandusky could plea bargain his way to a sentence at a country club prison where he wouldn’t be killed by his fellow inmates. The answer was that prison assignments can’t be determined in such a way that they could be part of a plea bargain.

    Calling Tigre … are you out there? Can you verify?

  29. The Disney image in my opinion regarding tweens and teens was over the edge on Hanna Montana.

    Raji, you read my mind. Hanna Montana has been the only “kid’s show” that I have banned in my house. The kid has never been allowed to watch it. First of all, I find the father/daughter relationship creepy. He’s more of a friend than a father. Second, Miley Cyrus’ personal conduct (she wants SO badly to be a bad girl) poisoned the show for me.

    I keep my eye on the other Disney shows she watches and I make editorial comments when needed.

    Now this may sound contradictory but she’s just discovered the Simpsons and I have a ball watching it with her. She doesn’t get the adult jokes but loves Homer. “He’s an idiot” she told me the other day. :-)

  30. They’ll still tell you two commercial jets can take out 3 modern steel skyscrapers in 9 hours. Never happened before ever,

    Well Poolman haven’t you kinda hit upon the absurdity of the conspiracy theory with that very statement? Can anyone document for me an instance in history where two commercial jets struck a skyscraper? Has it happened before and have the buildings survived the hit?

    I know small planes have hit skyscrapers but huge commercial jets? If it’s never happened before Poolman, then why on Earth would we know what the effect would be?

    The only thing that gives me the slightest sympathy for the skeptics is the fact that the way the towers fell LOOKED like a demolition. But I don’t know enough about building structural physics to claim that is all that unusual.

  31. Waaaay off topic — first visit to the vet since we moved here almost a year ago. Back in Middlebury these visits were routine. Ollie would get whatever shot was coming to him. I’d get a small lecture about his being fat and then we’d go on our way.

    Not this time. First I’m told he probably has gingivitis. So we now have to brush his teeth a few times a week. (I’m thinking — you’ve GOT to be shittin’ me!) Then they take him off to get a blood sample and next thing you know they tell me he has fleas. Now I’m thinking in full cynical mode those dudes have a f*cking jar of fleas back there which they plant on the animal so they can sucker me into buying expensive flea treatments. I also get warned about heart worm and two other kind of worms, one of which is communicable to humans and cause blindness or death. So of course, the flea treatment handles the worms too. Those set me back $20.00 a month. Finally, because his gums don’t look good and he’s got plaque up the wazoo, we get talked into having him get a full dental treatment next week to the tune of over $300.00 because they have to put him out to do it.

    Today alone cost me $450.00. And yes … I actually broke down and bought a friggin health insurance policy for him so if he gets anything CATastrophic we won’t have to put him down for financial reasons. And you want to know the damnedest thing? His policy does not discriminate for pre-existing conditions. I kid you not. My f*cking feline friend gets better health insurance than I do. And you guys don’t think we need health insurance reform. Pffft.

    I love my cat second only to my wife and daughter but damn … he’s getting old, he’s obese and he’s getting expensive. I think the solution is to have the vet put me down so the family has more resources to spend on the cat. :neutral:

  32. It was a rough go after the turkey leg. About the only time I have ever gotten nauseous on a coaster. I took a break.

    Rutherford, the fall looking like a demolition is easy to explain. Thousands of gallons of fuel weakened the upper beams. The support collapsed. When that happened, each floor pancaked one on top of the other. Each floor is self supporting. When you stack twice the weight, three times the weight, four times the weight, etc…the collapse was imminent.

    Pretty self explanatory. Don’t have to be a structural engineer to understand the concept.

  33. What the leftist media in America won’t do…can you deny this, Rutherford? Had this been a Republican, would MSNBC not mention while interviewed? You’re always talking about FOX not being credible. Remember? Well, I say not only is MSNBC not credible, they’re willingly dishonest.

    Elizabeth Warren’s ‘Native American’ claims: if she was a Republican, the media would call her a racist

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100165458/elizabeth-warrens-native-american-claims-if-she-was-a-republican-the-media-would-call-her-a-racist/

  34. Can you imagine the howls from leftists like Rutherford and Thor had Laura Bush ever made a request similar to this? Any Republican, for that matter asking for something like this? These groupies and toe suckers with their lotteries, and merchandise and campaign gimmicks are creeping me out.

    Rutherford, I hope you find things like this an embarrassment. I promise you were the shoe on the other foot, I would be.

    The Cult of Obama is still alive and well.

    Cult of the Presidency: First Lady Asks America to Wish Barack Obama a Happy Father’s Day

    http://www.barackobama.com/om-fathers-day-card?source=om2012_LB_G_fathersday-search_core_fd4&utm_medium=om2012&utm_source=G&utm_campaign=LB_fathersday-search&utm_content=fd4&subsource=kw|obama%20fathers%20day|matchtype|p|pcrid|11780248604|pl|&gclid=CJLO1sWd0LACFQdeTAodIRDnYA

  35. Remember the salad days of Barack Obama, when he won a Nobel Peace Prize? What was that? Twelve days into his Presidency?

    Of course, it only documented what most of us have known for years. The Nobel is about as legitimate an honor as the Sarah Jessica Parker fundraiser.

    Democratic Website Publishes List of Obama Accomplishments, Half of Them Are the Names of People He’s Killed

    Because the studio audience needs to know when to clap, the Democratic Hub, a forum for the “Advanced Liberal Political Community,” keeps a running tab of President Obama’s accomplishments.

    http://reason.com/blog/2012/06/12/democrat-website-publishes-list-of-obama

  36. Rutherford, then why is it last I checked some -8 months ago they had over 300 FELONY arrests?

    From the prior thread from Noah.

    Noah, who is “they”? OWS had bad actors. Nobody is denying that. They don’t define the movement. Just as the dude calling Obama a “lyin’ African” didn’t define the Tea Party …. or did he? ;-)

    Really? Who are they. I was not aware I needed to restate the premise of my post at each question to keep you up to speed. Ok so here we go……

    I stated…..
    The only thing OWS changed was the rape and murder rates in the cities they occupied.

    Sorry, no other way to describe this than rank stupidity.

    So now that we are up to speed again. There have been, as of 8 months ago, over 300 FELONY convictions at OWS events by people at the OWS events, involved with the OWS events.

    So then now that we have determined this fact(I can document it if you feel I am in error) explain to me how my statement is rank stupidity when it is factually accurate.

  37. Rutherford, I’ve been watching your tweets, now that you’ve become a fan of Jeb Bush – though I don’t remember you being much of a fan four years ago. It’s a pattern of yours. Kathleen Parker, David Frum, etc…

    I like Jeb Bush. But his argument here is utterly destroyed, if interested. That may have held for his old man. But Ronald Reagan would have been the perfect candidate to lead the Tea Party – namely smaller gov’t. Have we forgotten, “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help?” :wink:

    Just wanted you to know, the RINO stuff is still baloney and losing proposition. Frankly, though the Bush family has never been anything about class in public measures, beloved in Texas as model citizens, there time for the Republican version of Camelot is over.

    http://spectator.org/archives/2012/06/14/not-so-fast-jeb-bush/

  38. Rutherford, I thought about that Conservopedia link, but we had a storm approaching, and I had lost a Reuters link. I used it anyway on the grounds that if liberals can cite MSNBC and other biased sources, I can use some from the other side. It also says basically the same thing as the Reuters link. Now, you know how I feel when you and other liberals plus Poolman share where you get some of your information.

    The point is OWS was never what it seemed, and the sincere folks who joined in the early days were well-meaning dupes used to portray a false image for PR reasons. It was the same with the anti- war protests in Chicago during the Democratic convention. Many of the protesters were shocked when it turned violent. I was in England at the time, when the BBC interviewed about ten organizers. Their intent was to foment violence so the police would over react. They didn’t share that information with the average protester.

    Yes, it was a meaningless venture because the good willcame from the liberal press’s narrative. Had the OWS people been more careful to portray themselves as main stream, the movement would have gained resonance. Rich people who tried to portray themselves as part of the underclass revealed their hyprocicy. Organizers should have read Rules for Radicals.

    My opinion is confirmed by the general negative view the average person has of OWS and the scarcity of serious 1% talk now. Many of the 99% want to join, not destroy the 1%.

    10, Poolman, the Weathermen also gained strength as they grew underground. I expect the OWS movement, if it survives will resort to even more violence than it has so far.

  39. Nagic, the syringes, rapes, fights, abandoned babies, drugs, thefts, public masturbation and hundreds upon hundreds of arrests shouldn’t define OWS because that one guy at a Tea Party said some weird stuff. Come on man.

  40. Rutherford, your $450 or so expenditure including a tooth brush for a pet sounds like our daughter and son-law. They dress their dog in costumes and with their friends, take her trick or treating. They need a kid.

    The television station where our son-in law works gave the staff a trip to Disney world. They liked it and learned how to avoid the longest lines which required long waits. Our daughter told us we should go, but it doesn’t interests us. I miss the old Walt Disney company,

    Disney Europe presents the local culture. One park in France, I think sells five veriaties of sausage. Isn’t that more unhealthy than sugar-decorated apples?

  41. The Tea Party presented their message through persuasion. OWS presented their message through intimidation.

  42. re: WTC crashes.

    There are two factors that affect energy imparted to the Towers: weight AND airspeed, and energy goes as proportional to the weight, but the speed SQUARED. (E = 1/2 mV^2) My understanding is that the first plane hit about 500 knots and the second about 600. Estimated weight about 275,000#, or about 140 tons. It is very instructive to see the “rocket sled” episode of MythBusters. At those speeds there would be nothing left but shreds of metal.

    Armchair critics can apply their “common sense” all day, but they have no concept – or experience – with impacts at such a weight and speed. It baffles me how the buildings stood as long as they did.

  43. Pfesser, I’m almost ashamed to have to provide this link to another man of science, as the only one insane enough on this board to believe 9/11 a conspiracy wouldn’t understand it. I guess coming from the opposite side, believing government pretty much a loose association of dumb bureaucrats that can’t even execute a tax code, much less murder 3,000 in secret, I can’t even muster the strength to argue with idiocy. Somebody in the Obama Administration is leaking national security secrets to the NYT as we speak, and yet George Bush and the Mossad were able to pull off a controlled demolition, making it appear that two massive jets full of fuel brought down two towers.

    I used to laugh at these folks. But when one conspiracy leads to other conspiracies, finally concluding in their world of certifiable insanity, that America and Israel are responsible for the death of Syrian babies and not Assad and his henchmen, I think this slander has gone on about long enough.

    This is not for you, but Gorilla provided a wonderful link this morning of some length with the facts, while mocking the ‘Troofer’ type for good measure, if interested.

    With this thrown in for good measure – only I wouldn’t refer to them as “lonely” Christians. I would have referred to them as lunatics labeling themselves as Christians to advance an argument. That’s the part that is most offensive to me.

    Truther sites are to conspiracy thinkers what televangelists are to lonely Christians: a place to send money to buy a feeling of participation and fulfillment.

    http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/911nutphysics.htm

  44. The vet scam is legendary. I remember a vet trying to sell me this monthly vitamin E supplement program for 40 bucks a month. I laughed after her pitch and told her if that dog really needs vitamin E for 40 bucks a month, put him down. Shr didn’t get my humor.

  45. It baffles me how the buildings stood as long as they did.

    Are you familiar with the Empire State building being slammed into by a plane? Interesting read. Not as large as these jets, but then the building is smaller, and older, and not designed with commercial jet impacts in mind, as the WTC towers were.

    There are other steel skyscrapers on record that have burned for days and still stood. Steel buildings do not disintegrate. Never have, unless they use explosives to bring them down.

    Your homework assignment is WTC 7. Some points to ponder… no plane, fires had burned out, explosions documented, countdown heard over fireman’s radio, NIST admissions, etc., etc., etc…

    Happy hunting, PFesser. :grin:

  46. The Tea Party presented their message through persuasion. OWS presented their message through intimidation.

    :lol: James, I love you (in a manly sort of way), but that is total BS.

    The tea party sported people publicly wearing firearms. OWS has not. OWS is mainly peaceful gatherings and protest. They were pepper-sprayed, clubbed, gassed, rubber-bulleted, kicked, and intimidated.

  47. Poolman, like Rutherford, obviously never actually visited the OWS holes I’m guessing. Lawless derelicts, dregs, hygiene challenged morons. No comparison with the most boisterous Tea Party members by any measure. Victims of oppressive law enforcement my ass. The operated like Lord of the Flies.

  48. Some sources to consider for the truth out of Syria. The first is a Greek Orthodox publication that has been around since 1927.

    http://www.fides.org/aree/news/newsdet.php?idnews=31658&lan=eng

    http://www.pacificfreepress.com/news/1-/11853-unwrapping-houla-bbc-backs-off-initial-reports-german-faz-points-to-false-flag.html

    And finally, since 3 links is all I can post without going to moderation, this account from Peter Hitchens…

    I have been contacted by a group of Western women who live in Syria and who believe that most of what the world is being told about that country is false.
    As far as I can discover, they are not stooges of what they agree to be a rather nasty government in Damascus, but exactly what they say they are: normal human beings caught up in a political tornado. For obvious reasons, I have promised to protect their identities.
    I urge you to read what follows, because it is important, because our emotional interventions in other countries never do any good, and because it is vital that people resist attempts to drag us into Syria, too, by feeding us one-sided atrocity propaganda.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2156929/PETER-HITCHENS-Pop-goes-Monarchy-The-Queen-listened-Paul-McCartney–I-heard-end-Royal-Family.html#ixzz1xsEZ1Ab1

  49. but then the building is smaller, and older, and not designed with commercial jet impacts in mind, as the WTC towers were.

    You mean a smaller, older piece of granite? The Empire State Building is the Pentagon of skyscrapers. Obviously, you have never been to the Empire State building, nor do have any idea what potential or kinetic energy means.

    You have a rudimentary understanding of gravity because of your block head and lead ass.

    An office building building in Austin, TX, housing was recently slammed into by a Cessna. It didn’t collapse either. There was not enough fuel to weaken the support, nor enough potential energy to collapse the building. It blew out a few windows and killed a few agents at impact.

    Besides, it wasn’t the initial kinetic energy (the planes striking the building) that collapsed the towers, Poolman. I doubt a jumbo jet slamming in the Empire State Building would immediately collapse the building either. In fact, there would be little left of the plane and the end result would have appeared much different.

    It’s very possible had the planes hit the very top floors of the tower, the buildings may not have collapsed for quite some time. And if you understood physics and potential energy, it makes perfect sense why the second tower hit was the first to fall.

    Poolman, your scientific knowledge especially of physics, especially energy and statics and strengths, is truly on the fungal scale.

  50. R, I have no idea if you can plea bargain for your place of confinement. I kind of doubt it for the most obvious of reasons. Policy I’m sure wouldn’t permit a mechanism to establish preferable confinement for those that plea versus those convicted. But I don’t know that to be true or untrue. You’d have to ask a criminal defense lawyer and I’m not willing to bother.

    Now how about that Zimmerman controversy? Oh yeah, the liberal agitators already got what they wanted out of it. As usual, they left their path of destruction and will be looking for something else.

    And that inspirational speech from Obama last night? Hmmm. Message ain’t gonna work will it. Well, unless you, Thor Bubbles keep carrying it! :lol:

  51. Tigre, the only ‘OWS holes’ I have seen first hand were here in Phoenix. These were not as you describe them.

    But I did see what the media was showing us. I also understand the purpose of our media.

    And yes, all the dregs of the earth joined the OWS movement. No doubt. It was the only one that accepted them. OWS is inclusive, not exclusive, as other movements have been. It doesn’t remove the weak links within. But by focusing on those weak links, one misses the stronger underlying bonds.

  52. Yeah Poolman, Phoenix I’m sure was really represnetative. The way the typical OWS members all loaded on buses and traveled to Phoenix. :lol:

    I saw the real deal. Those were not “weak links.” It was as reported. My most liberal of acquaintances were shaking their heads with the positive media treatment.

    Tell us all about those strong bonds Poolman. Think they’ll have a re-union party some day?

  53. Tex,

    You are still thinking they are using a pancake theory to explain what happened to the towers. If you actually were up to speed (no pun intended), NIST discarded that theory early in their research. It didn’t pan out.

    But their research was hindered, as their report even states. They were specifically told to rule out any explosives and limit their testing to the jet fuel/impact scenerios.

    It’s all there in their reports.

  54. The strong bonds that exist are the desire for justice and truth, which doesn’t usually place one in comfort, often just the opposite.

  55. Elizabeth Warren’s ‘Native American’ claims

    Well I know it burns Noah’s ass when I pull one comment from an article and criticize it when it isn’t the main thrust of the article, but tough titty.

    Tex, the Telegraph article you posted called Scott Brown a Tea Party candidate. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. He actively distanced himself from TPM while running and his legislative record is a moderate one.

    As for the crux of the article, I really need to research this. I have seen Warren in countless interviews and never once has she volunteered any information about being of Native American heritage. That’s why I’ve basically been ignoring all the chatter coming from this board on the subject. If she made some bogus claims to get into college/law school that is definitely worth some investigation but it’s hardly a huge scandal. It’s on a par with Romney bullying a gay kid in college and Obama’s publisher making him look more exotic by claiming he was BORN in Kenya. It’s all old news and kinda silly when compared to the issues we should be talking about.

    Now I’ve actually got a much better indictment of Chris Matthews on the RL Blog publishing docket. Maybe I’ll write it later today.

  56. LOL I did get a kick out of seeing Michelle’s appeal for us to wish Barack a Happy Father’s Day. I get notes like this all the time, I chuckle, delete, and move on.

    Just this morning I was saying to my better half how absurd it is that we are being enticed to essentially enter a lottery to win time with the POTUS. This idea would never have gotten off the drawing board 15 years ago.

    Want some contrast? The other day I attended a webinar hosted by a Swiss Project Manager and he remarked that just days before he stood at a bus stop standing next to the President of Switzerland. Ain’t that something?

    P.S. A quick wiki search revealed that the Swiss Presidency is largely ceremonial with executive power actually shared among a “cabinet” of five or six folks.

  57. Poolman (56) I love you in the same manly way. Why does that sound gay? I’ll add “like a brother.” Ha!

    What I wrote was the truth. Tea Party demonstrators moved in, stood around, cheered their speakers and programs, policed the area and left.

    OWS were like the “Man Who Came to Dinner.” Never mind their bad fellow travelers. OWS wouldn’t leave. They cost cities money, diverted police resources and in so doing may have contributed to criminality in other parts of cities. They also cost people jobs and made parks unlivable. They threatened violence if city officials dared evict them. They deserved to be pepper sprayed and interrogated. .

    OWS is an odious anti- free enterprise movement prone to the same thuggish behavior Wisconsin unions used against Scott Walker.

    The North Carolina Tea Party, I think, did carry legal weapons to a protest to illustrate their support of the right to bear arms and their peaceful nature. Nothing happened.

    Can you honestly say the same about armed OWS demonstrators?

  58. Tex, the Telegraph article you posted called Scott Brown a Tea Party candidate.

    How little you understand of the Tea Party. Nobody is calling Brown a small gov’t Conservative. Nobody. What Brown is, is a much better option than a lying, hypocritical, untrustworthy, freeloading, self serving hag. Practicality is part of the Tea Party equation. A small gov’t Conservative couldn’t win in Massachusetts running as a small gov’t Conservative.

    The fact that you discard Warren’s outrageous claims about race shows once again, how disingenuous the leftist mantra about the definition of racism and power. How do you live with yourself and still call yourself “principled?” There is nothing principled about you.

    Had this been a white Republican making those same claims, we would have never heard the end of it on this blog – and you would have been right to mock.

  59. Another thing, I found amusing, Rutherford was that the Obama fund raisers require ID. They should for safety reasons. It is ironic that Obama opposes voter IDs.

    Your comment reminded me of Switzerland. We were out one night in the German language section. Three beautiful women walked ahead of us. One especially was impeccably dressed and made up. She could have been a fashion model.

    They had visited one too many bars. The well turned out woman stopped leaned over a bush and with a loud BUUUUFFFF, expelled her dinner and drinks into a bush.

  60. The only thing OWS changed was the rape and murder rates in the cities they occupied.

    It’s a shame I have to resort to bold facing to help you understand stuff Noah but hell I’m a patient man.

    You did not say one of the things OWS changed was the rape and murder rates in the cities they occupied.

    You said, the only thing.

    That is categorically wrong and is an example of rank stupidity. The fact that you needed the sentence so carefully parsed for you is further example of rank stupidity or willful ignorance. I strongly suspect the latter.

  61. More outrageous than Elizabeth Warrens’ racial comments was her using the Harvard quota system for personal gain. She stole a job from someone who might have had a legitimate racial claim.

    She also claimed to have been the inspiration for OWS when it was cool.

    Yet, she is still doing well in the polls.

    Sarah Palin was loudly criticized when she told a West Virginia audience, (I think) she was glad to be with real Americans. That may explain the liberal Mass. voters.

  62. Tex, sorry I don’t have the patience to read all of the Jeb Bush critique but from the little I read the author’s conclusion involves a logical leap. Folks at the time (Ford) said Reagan couldn’t win because he was too extreme. I submit that his election only proved that Ford misread Reagan, not that he misread the country.

    The fact is, if I’m not mistaken Reagan raised taxes during his administration. That alone would get him on Grover Norquist’s sh*tlist. Add to that the fact that he was willing to work with Tip O’Neill and you’ve got someone totally unacceptable to the current no-compromise Republican party. Did I pull “no compromise” out of my ass? No. John Boehner is on record telling Lesley Stahl of “60 Minutes” that compromise is a dirty word.

    Jeb is right on the money. All these folks waxing poetic about Reagan are full of sh*t. Reagan would have no place in the current scheme of things, nor would his successor. It’s probably one of the several reasons Jeb decided not to run this time around. There’s no place for his brand of intelligence.

    P.S. I can’t remember the last time I tweeted about Jeb Bush so I don’t know which tweets you were referring to in your comment.

  63. I expect the OWS movement, if it survives will resort to even more violence than it has so far.

    James I hate to beat a dead horse here but again I have to disagree. The violence we have seen is incidental to the movement, a distraction from the movement, not the core philosophy of the movement.

  64. LOL James …. I was afraid my post might have made me sound like some kind of pet-nut. No, I don’t dress Ollie up and up until literally yesterday, I’ve never spent more than $150.00 on him at one time (again, vet bills). But the fact is he’s getting older and if I want him to live a full life I’ll have to invest a bit.

    Tex, I understand your point about pet insurance. I’ve always rejected the idea and the policy I’m buying doesn’t cover “maintenance”, only illness and accident. But as I said to my wife, the premium is worth it if it keeps me from putting the cat down because I can’t afford to save him. Now of course if he ever gets anything terminal that will cause his last days to be agonizing, then I will have him put down. But if he ever gets sick such that he can be restored to good health, then for my own sake and my daughter’s sake I’ve got to be prepared to pay for it.

    P.S. Scratch that first paragraph …. I have spent more than $150.00 on him but it was for boarding while we humans were on vacation.

  65. “Never once has she volunteered…” Yes, she has. Elizabeth said she had an Indian ancestor. It was part of family lore. She knew it was true because of her high cheek bones. At first, she claimed she had listed an Indian heritage to meet people like her. She claimed she was an Indian to fill a racial quota at Harvard.

    Some years later, she stopped mentioning it.

    She also plagerized two recipies for an Indian cook book. Someone traced them to the Duke and Duchess of Windsor.

    An Indian organization has challenged her to prove her claims.

    Near the end of May, Governor Deval Patrick urged Warren to come clean. She did. “At some point after I was hired by them, I …provided that information to the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard. My Native American heritage is part of who I am. I’m proud of it and I have been open about it.” (Gateway Pundit)

    indiianz.com

    “She doesn’t look Indian,doesn’t have an Indian name, didn’t grwo up on a reservation and is not a registered member of any tribe.

    She has said she was not aware the university was identifying her as a minority, but after weeks of unflattering publicify, she issued a statement Wednesday acknowledging she had told Harvard officials she had Cherokee roots.”

    reason hit & run wrote that the New England Historical and Genealogical Society announced it could fine no documentation to back up Warren’s claim.

    Other researchers learned that Warren’s alleged Indian ancestor was listed in the US Census as white. Her husband probably participated in moving Cherokees to Oklahoma in the Trail of Tears.

    I could give you more. These links prove that Warren was talking about the issue and that she attracted enough attention for disparate groups and organizations to react. Maybe you SHOULD read rags like Conservapedia once in a while.

    Elizabeth Warren didn’t do anything illegal, though she revealed the sort of person she is.

  66. Rutherford, I don’t see anything wrong with spending money on a pet if you can afford it.

    My brother and sister in law spent hundreds of dollars to keep a HAMSTER alive for Pete’s sake.That animal was the Methusula of hampstors.

    I hope you are right about the OWS movement, but the anti Vietnam war movement colors my perceptions since I see so many similarities. I was in as an observer, anti war and anarchist protests in England, Italy, the US, and Holland. Each had an inner core of leaders who were capable of inciting and doing violence if they became frustrated enough. Peaceful or not, the core philosophy is anti-free enterprise.

    Don’t worry about beating a dead horse. I kick skeletons around.

  67. The Tea Party presented their message through persuasion. OWS presented their message through intimidation.

    James … c’mon. One of the most famous Tea Party signs: “We came unarmed …. this time.”

    Not the least bit intimidating.

    This defense of the Tea Party as virtuous and OWS as demonic misses the mark.

  68. “My opinion is confirmed by the general negative view the average person has of OWS and the scarcity of serious 1% talk now. Many of the 99% want to join, not destroy the 1%.” – James

    OWS doesn’t want to destroy the 1%, they want to keep the 1% from destroying the 99%.

    Bernancke used the 99% – 1% terminology testifying in front of a Senate subcommittee last week. In the Mass. Senate race they are talking about Glass-Steagal. I think OWS is being heard, whether you guys want to admit it or not.

  69. I also think Reagan might have had a hard time winning a normal election, but in these hard times, I think he would have won, especially since he was better at one liners in debates. “I paid for this microphone!!” and “There you go again.” helped win votes.

    Reagan later said he regretted raising taxes that time, because the Democrats lied to him about spending cuts they promised.

    Not only did Reagan and Tip O’Neil work together, they golfed and shared Irish stories over adult beverages.

  70. Tex, thanks for posting Gorilla’s link. I was going to do it later and attribute it to one of my “government sources”. :-) I haven’t read the link yet but G did send me a lengthy note explaining lots of this and it does lay to rest the truther nutjobbery. The most important thing, killing my notion that it LOOKED like a controlled demolition is that such demo’s occur from the bottom up. The bottom is destroyed and the building implodes. These towers clearly fell from the top down.

    Another very interesting point that was made in G’s note is that even if the towers had survived the collision and the fire had been put out, they would have had to be demolished anyway since they were at that point unsafe structures.

  71. “but the speed SQUARED. (E = 1/2 mV^2) My understanding is that the first plane hit about 500 knots and the second about 600.”

    Pf, so what you are saying is, the second tower fell first because it was hit at significantly higher speed, resulting in exponentially greater force being applied. Makes sense to me.

    What doesn’t make sense to me is people (sorry to pile on Poolman) that think an administration that squandered a surplus, let Bin Laden slip away, attacked the wrong country and tanked the economy could possibly possess the competency to pull off the greatest hoax in U.S. history.

    Bush IS his own defense. :)

  72. Factions within the OWS DO want the destroy the 1%. I don’t have time now, but if you want, I will look it up.

    I agree, some may still be discussing the concept of income inequality, but that was a concern before OWS adopted it. No one in our part of the country has mentioned OWS in at least a month, and the people out here largely behaved themselves.

    Yes, one might construe that sign to be threatening, or in the same vein as the New Hampshire “Don’t tread on me” (I think) motto. but history shows the Tea Party mostly behaved themselves while OWS did not. it doesn’t matter that they disgusted other members of OWS. They were its face, because of their numbers.

    Back to a semblance of keeping on topic. I liked Annette of the Mickey Mouse Club. “Today is Tuesday, You know what that means. We’re going to have a special guest today.” sang the kids as they rode stick horses and sported cowboy outfits. At least, it is how I remember it.

  73. How little you understand of the Tea Party.

    Tex you can paint a horse with stripes and it still ain’t a zebra. Did the Tea Party want Brown elected over whatshername? Sure they did. That is different from a “Tea Party candidate”. Sharon Angle was a Tea Party candidate. The “I’m not a witch” from Maryland was a Tea Party candidate. Brown was not. Plain and simple.

    To repeat …. I don’t see Warren running around trumpeting about being a Native American. My suspicion is that this foolishness from her past was surfaced to discredit her because she has one of the clearest voices among Dem candidates today.

  74. No problem, Thor. I’m used to the pile on. The fact that we CAN still have this discussion gives me optimism.

    I believe Bush was complacent. He was not a planner in this wizardry. But Cheney, well… time will reveal many things.

    Here you go. This is fun…

  75. I found amusing, Rutherford was that the Obama fund raisers require ID. They should for safety reasons. It is ironic that Obama opposes voter IDs.

    If Obama were at each polling place, he’d require ID then too. As you say, it is for safety reasons.

    I repeat my mantra:
    Better that ten dead men vote than one live legit voter be denied.

  76. Disney sucks,has sucked and will continue to suck. Parents who abandon their duties to a television,a bureaucrat or a company need to be taken out.

  77. Rutherford 88 keep spouting the myth buddy,if you hold onto that turd hard enough and long enough maybe it will turn into a diamond.

  78. James you’re a good 18 or so years older than I from what I’ve gathered but from what I understand a lot of boys had a thing for Annette Funicello. :-) The original Mickey Mouse Club was before my time.

  79. The Sex Pistols were indeed “managed & messaged” by Malcolm McLaren. The Pistol provoked a lot of things but the best by far was allowing another real and honest band open for them on their Anarchy UK tour, that of course would be “the only band that matters”, The Clash

  80. These towers clearly fell from the top down.

    Except WTC 7. But the top down was explained by W (maybe the ol’ Freudian slip)…

  81. Warrens actions after the discovery of her lies speaks volumes more and does so louder than anything currently in the mix for Romney or even Obama.

  82. Alfie would you not agree that folks have died to maintain a democracy in which all eligible people can vote? If the crackdown on supposed fraud keeps those eligible people from voting, have we not betrayed our founding fathers?

  83. “Parents who abandon their duties to a television,a bureaucrat or a company need to be taken out.” – A

    I agree wholeheartedly, if only metaphorically on the last part. But remember there are kids with “absent” parents or no parents at all.

    Speaking of parents, happy Father’s Day to all the dads on the board, especially you Rabbit. You just went through some of the “tough” Daddy stuff, hope you get lots of the “good” Daddy stuff this weekend.

  84. Whether you look at the MSM,the FAZ article,a SANA piece or essays on the World Socialist movements website and assorted other “media” sites the one crystal clear truth that always seems to leer out is the demographic makeup of Syria.
    With that said I find it amazing folks find the FULL truth so hard to grasp.

  85. Regarding 94, our first dyslexic President meant “explosions” not “explosives”. Thor nailed this. Bush is the worst witness possible for the truther conspiracy. The man could never talk straight regardless of the topic.

    I saw a recent interview with Nicolle Wallace who worked for Bush prior to being in the McCain campaign. She said that Bush was intelligent and could command attention when speaking but as soon as the camera turned on, he became a babbling idiot (my words, not hers).

  86. @ thor 97 regardless of what I may or may not earn reputation wise I’m not seriously advocating whacking crappy parents. Just saying fwiw.
    @ Rutherford 96 you have it upside down and inside out. People have served and at times died to protect our democracy and as such clearly would want people to be truly eligible to vote. Cracking down on fraud I think delivers to a higher order the idea of the Founders.

  87. Alfie this would only be true if entire swaths of voter rolls weren’t being wiped out. The situation is so bad in Florida that some local voter officials (I don’t remember their actual titles) are refusing to do the scrubbing. Rick Scott’s intentions may be pure, but I suspect he’s going about it the wrong way.

  88. @ Rutherford 100 I’m indulging a guilty pleasure and unfairly so since I have to leave the computer in about ten minutes. Spoiler alert is it is precisely the demographics of Syria that lends cred to a notion of potential civil war. I dare say demographics is the overlooked concept in the entire Arab Spring.
    On a semi-related note some of the most ardent “mercenary”/ (NOT!) supporters of K-Daffy have had a dramatic impact on a country in Africa and sadly the West doesn’t really care. Perhaps ‘cuz the folks look more like Rwandans than Jesus.

  89. President meant “explosions” not “explosives

    Better listen to the clip again. Regardless if he MEANT explosions or explosives, he claims they were set to start high enough at the top and go down to keep PEOPLE from escaping.

    What would cause explosions in a steel and concrete building? The things were pulverized and bone bits were found on roof tops hundreds of yards away. Steel girders were expelled at forces in excess of 175MPH.

    Don’t talk to me about not understanding physics. I deal with it everyday in my day job.

  90. @ 103 perspective Rutherford perspective.
    In the county (Pinellas) in question or at least progressively headlined there were a total of no more than 15 voters purged.Thats in a county with 598,596 registered voters.
    the action that has earned Scott the ire of the DoJ is ironic in some ways since he is a textbook example of his cause and remedy. He was purged from the rolls and had to use a provisional ballot. So even if the 14-15 folks were not reinstated,they still could’ve voted with a provisional ballot which would count or trash their vote within 30 days.
    Nope I have to say it is a good idea. In my town if I don’t answer the town census I can be dropped from the rolls. Purging is right. If it matters I’m for easy registration,hell I’m even open to registration to include issuing an official ID. I’m not the bogey man on this one,albeit me being biased on that notion lol.

  91. Steel girders were expelled at forces in excess of 175MPH.

    Folks are going to get annoyed at me for even debating this with you but again, you’ve pointed out something that defeats the truther scenario. A controlled demolition implodes, not explodes a building. Structure flying away from the towers suggests they were not demolished. Rather, the force of floor hitting floor hitting floor sent debris outward.

  92. The fact is, if I’m not mistaken Reagan raised taxes during his administration. That alone would get him on Grover Norquist’s sh*tlist. Add to that the fact that he was willing to work with Tip O’Neill and you’ve got someone totally unacceptable to the current no-compromise Republican party.

    You’re still under the illusion that this is your daddy’s Dimocratic Party. Your party has been taken over by extremists – not tax extremists – American hating extremists. Fat Grannies is your Dimocratic party, and one day if you hang around long enough, they are going to eat you too.

    P.S. Speed of impact of the planes into the tower had far less to do with impact, then the location of where the planes hit. It wasn’t kinetic energy that brought the towers down. The lower proximity to the ground and the location of the structure is why the second tower fell first (m*g*h), plus taking out more support beams upon impact.

  93. I guarantee you George Jr. is more intellectual capable than the gaffe a minute, pompous windbag in the White House now. If he was Magna Cum, it was obviously granted him. Obama is of marginal intelligence at best – of that, I am absolutely sure now.

    first dyslexic President meant “explosions” not “explosives”

    Our second dyslexic President meant CORPSEMAN – three times.

  94. Alfie, I think we can agree then that we should make it as easy as possible for legit voters to vote. I get the impression that conservatives are taking a glass-half-empty approach to this, hunting for fraud instead of implementing processes so easy that no legit vote could complain about his ability to vote. Why did they temporarily require registration rolls be turned in within 48 hours, thereby making Friday registrations a meaningless process? Some are making it harder for legit folks to vote and that just ain’t right.

  95. Tex, I’ve suspected Bush dyslexic for some time now and contrary to what you may think I don’t make the assertion derisively. In fact, I have a post from some years ago expressing sympathy for the man. I think it interfered with his ability to communicate and may very well have interfered with his ability to control his neocon advisers.

  96. Here is another Elizabeth story.from The Daily Telegraph. Elizabeth Warren’s ‘Native American claims: if she was a Republican, the media would call her a racist.”

    “Imagine if she ( a Republican candidate) used that identity to have herself listed as a minority at Harvard qualifying her for special treatment….If there is any reason why Democrats and liberals aren’t showing the expected anger about this, its because their sector of the media has declined to discuss it.”

    “Last night,” she was chatting with Chris Mathews, and he didn’t mention the minor scandal.”She’s competing in a naturally democratic state that turned bellweather when it elected a Tea Party candidate, Republican, Scott Brown. “When it comes to racism, the Democratic credo is ‘do as I say, not as I do.”

    You didn’t see Elizabeth Warren talking about her native American ancestry because you were hanging around with the wrong people. That a British news paper is writing about it, gives me an even better excuse to say “I told you so” as I did “Poolman” about the early Tea Party and the friend who thought I was full of it when I said we’d get a thunderstorm last Sunday afternoon. .

  97. “If the crackdown on supposed fraud keeps those eligible people from voting, have we not betrayed our founding fathers?”

    If fraud vitiates the value of the vote, then the “right” to vote is a hollow one.

  98. Rutherford
    Really Rutherford. you are hanging your ENTIRE remark on the “only” thing? Really?

    This is what I mean about you being dishonest. You didn’t post it was wrong because I made the off the cuff remark of it being the only thing, You said it was wrong…PERIOD.

    Is this really how you want to go on the record saying you defend your all mighty Leftist points of view? I was making the point that your all mighty OWS people are fucking criminals. There is proof they are fucking criminals. Stop being such a dishonest asshole and step your ass up to the plate. Dont fucking tell me I am wrong based on a stupid nuance like that.

    How does it feel to represent a position that forces you to use cheap tactics like that and to ignore the obvious?

    And as your dishonesty continues let me correct you again. I have no issue with you going on meaningless points on an article. It is when you do so and that is your ONLY response, then you claim you commented on it while IGNORING the meat of the article I took issue with. Maybe instead of taking a social course so you can find other ways you are a victim you might instead take a course on ethics.

  99. “Really Rutherford. you are hanging your ENTIRE remark on the “only” thing? Really?”

    R, you really did prove his point with that one. That was seriously lame-o.

  100. Happy Fathers’ Day to the fathers, and especially rabbit.

    Yes, Rutherford, you missed something when Annette was on the Disney show.

    I agree Bush is smarter than his public appearances indicate.

    “Better that ten dead men vote than deny the legitimate vote of one man.” Only if the dead men vote Republican!!

  101. A controlled demolition implodes, not explodes a building. Structure flying away from the towers suggests they were not demolished. Rather, the force of floor hitting floor hitting floor sent debris outward.

    Rutherford, as one on here that is a real searcher of truth, as I believe you to be, I don’t want to harp on you, but this is somewhat ignorant a statement.

    Demolitions can be designed to implode a building and get it to fall in on itself. This is how WTC 7 DID indeed fall. There are plenty of clips showing that and from many angles.

    But explosives can blow out. The word itself describes that. Implode vs explode. But enough about semantics. The crews that set up controlled demolitions often spend weeks placing these in the proper places to ensure that they fall in rather than out.

    A floor falling on a floor – the pancake theory that NIST discarded, would slow the fall at each impact. It would never expel steel beams VERTICALLY, and certainly not at that velocity.

    Instead, they fell at free fall speed. Like there was nothing in between them and the ground. Additionally, there were massive craters under the buildings that someone here was trying to attribute to kinetic energy. :lol:

    That is why over 1,600 experts have studied this and gone on record in dispute of the government’s story, thereby putting their own safety on the line. I can list for you many that have died for speaking truth to power over this.

  102. “R, if 10 dead men vote, that means ten citizens lost their vote.”

    Unless you;re a dem, in which case you’re vote just is worth a 1000% more.

  103. Poolman, you need to read the article linked. Let me fill you in on a secret:

    I was wrong. You don’t understand the concept of gravity either. Gravity is more than when your parents dropped you on your head continually. Brain trauma. Gravity accelerates at approximately 9.8 m/s^2 or about 32 ft/s^2.

    If that had been a controlled implosion as you suggest, the top floor would have hit the ground at a very specific time. I could calculate to within milliseconds the figure, if I wanted to pull out a calculator.

    It didn’t.

    You’re dumb a stump. But you still need to go see a psychiatrist, for the reasons I gave above. Nobody can fix your abject ignorance and stupidity – obviously, there was a defect or perhaps your dad drilled one too many holes in your skull to relieve the pressure.

    But the M.D. might be able to deal with your delusions and paranoia.

  104. Really Rutherford. you are hanging your ENTIRE remark on the “only” thing? Really?

    Really. The fact that your comment devolved into a slew of expletives (unprecedented from you) tells me I hit a nerve.

    Noah, either you write what you mean or you don’t. Let’s try one more time. If OWS’s only contribution was an increased crime rate then it follows logically (assuming we both speak English) that there is no other contribution. I said that was rank stupidity since I believe OWS did contribute to a valuable discussion in this country.

    Had you written that one of OWS’s most noticeable contributions was criminal, I very simply would NOT have called it rank stupidity. There was crime. And “one of” leaves the door open for a discussion of other possible OWS contributions.

    Words have meaning … all the more so in this forum where I don’t have any visual clues to infer from. Say what you mean and prepare to get your ass handed to you when what you mean is rank stupidity. I’ve already told you that you lean toward the melodramatic hyperbole and I will call you on it when I perceive it.

    If you have a challenge with the English language, tell me now and I’ll back off.

  105. R, you really did prove his point with that one. That was seriously lame

    Tigre, as big a kick as I get out of you, your logic during arguments goes off kilter so often that this criticism from you goes in one ear and out the other. See 124. Words have meaning. I would think an attorney above anyone else would know that.

  106. Good question. Any theories?

    I can’t speak for three of the cases but in the fourth regarding the human being in the photograph, he got democratically voted in with the required electoral vote. Sorry if after three years you still can’t accept that.

  107. What orginal conversation did OWS spur any of us to have? Infact, to this day I only remember a boring theme of class warfare, no articulation of why they are occupying wallstreet and late night jokes about shitting on cars. I saw no evidence they influenced the vote. I saw some horrid news stories of abandoned childeren.

  108. A floor falling on a floor – the pancake theory that NIST discarded, would slow the fall at each impact.

    Wouldn’t the velocity increase once the downward force from above overcame the resistance from below?

  109. I saw no evidence they influenced the vote.

    Rabbit, what have I said repeatedly? They did not turn the message/protest to any political advantage. But I give you credit for accidentally admitting they had a message. You called it class warfare. I prefer to call it concern about the concentration of wealth among a very small group of people in this country, leading to the death of the middle class.

  110. This blog is entertaining as hell. Rutherford this is your radio show, my friend.

    PS…“Gravity is more than when your parents dropped you on your head continually…” LOL x 1,000.

  111. Alrighty Rutherford, Zero integrity. I will treat you accordingly until that changes. So lets give you proof of the criminality of the organization you covet.

    Let us start with a summary.

    Occupy Oakland Protesters Charged With Hate Crime, Robbery

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/occupy-oakland-hate-crime_n_1322506.html

    10/28/2011 — Total Occupy Arrests Made Thus Far: 2750

    As of Nov 11.

    Arson

    Occupy Fort Collins – Member arrested, $10 million in damage
    Occupy Portland – Member arrested for throwing Molotov Cocktail
    Occupy Seattle – Suspicious fire at Bank of America 2.7 miles from camp
    Occupy Portland – Three men arrested with homemade grenades

    Assault/Threats

    Occupy SF – 12 assaults in 24 hours
    Occupy LA – 4 assaults including two with knives
    Occupy Philly – Man punches woman in the face
    Occupy LA – Two assaults including setting someone on fire
    Occupy Berkeley – Police respond to three assault calls per night
    Occupy Wall Street – Three men threaten the life of a sexual assault victim
    Occupy Lawrence – Punch thrown
    Occupy Orlando – Knife fight sends man to hospital
    Occupy Portland – Multiple assaults within a 24 hr. period
    Occupy Toledo – Man assaults police officer after arrest
    Occupy San Diego – Woman assaults cameraman
    Occupy Victoria – Man dumps urine on city worker
    Occupy Vancouver – Two police officers bitten during near riot
    Occupy Oakland – Death threats
    Occupy Austin – Man in Joker make-up arrested for brandishing knife
    Occupy Oakland – Man sets his dog on reporter
    Occupy Oakland – Man pulls a knife in camp
    Occupy Wall Street – Photographer assaulted

    Drugs/Dealing

    Occupy Boston – Two drug busts in a week
    Occupy Boston – Another drug arrest
    Occupy Boston – Heroin dealers busted were living with 6 year old boy directly behind welcome tent
    Occupy Portland – First hand account “Drugs. Selling…Heroin. Meth.”
    Occupy Portland – Video of open drug use in the camp
    Occupy Portland – “I get high“

    Fraud

    National Lawyer’s Guild member Ari Douglas pretends to be run over by a police scooter

    Illness/Death

    Occupy Santa Cruz – Ringworm outbreak
    Occupy Atlanta – TB outbreak
    Occupy Wall Street – Zuccotti lung outbreak
    Occupy New Orleans – Man discovered in tent had been dead 2 days
    Occupy Portland – Body lice outbreak

    Murder

    Occupy Oakland – Fatal shooting

    Public disturbance

    Occupy Dallas – Protesters block bank entrance, 23 arrested
    Occupy Vancouver – Mob with bullhorn enters bank
    Occupy Wall Street – Protesters block bank entrance, four arrested
    Occupier takes a bathroom break in the street
    Occupy Vancouver – Occupiers disrupt debate, threaten riot when asked to leave
    Occupy Long Beach – Group disrupts city council meeting
    Occupy Boston – Three arrested for occupying Burger King
    Occupy Oakland – Yelling and nonsense at Burger King
    Occupy DC – Group storms AFP event, traps attendees inside

    Rape/Sexual Assault

    Occupy Philly – Man arrested for alleged rape
    Occupy Wall Street – Two sexual assaults unreported to police
    Occupy Wall Street – Man arrested for sexual assault, suspect in rape
    Occupy Dallas – Sex offender allegedly rapes 14 year old
    Occupy Ottawa – Sexual assaults go unreported to police
    Occupy Lawrence – Sexual assault reported
    Occupy Toronto – Foot sniffer arrested
    Occupy Seattle – Man exposes himself to young girls
    Occupy Portland – Sexual assault
    Occupy Wall Street – Drunk gropes women in Zuccotti Park
    Occupy Cleveland – Rape reported after an overnight stay
    Occupy Glasgow – Possible gang rape
    Occupy Baltimore – Multiple reports of harassment
    Occupy Chicago – Man arrested for child porn
    Occupy LA – Man charged with exposing himself to a child

    Sedition

    Occupy DC – Let’s have a coup by taking over the military
    Ted Rall wants occupiers to choose the path of violence
    Occupy DC – Mike Malloy incites crowd to cheer for President Bush’s execution

    Suicide/Overdose

    Occupy Burlington – Man kills himself with handgun
    Occupy Salt Lake City – Man found dead with syringe in his tent
    Occupy Vancouver – Young woman dies of cocaine and heroine overdose
    Occupy OKC – Young man with history of drug abuse found dead

    Theft

    Occupy Portland – Theft is ongoing
    Occupy Boston – Store owner suffers 4 break-ins since camp began

    Vandalism

    Occupy Eureka – Protesters use local bank as a toilet
    Occupy Portland – Two banks vandalized, promises of more to come
    Occupy Oakland – Bank windows broken, Whole Foods vandalized, broken windows
    Occupy Boston – Banks vandalized with anarchist, OWS graffiti
    Occupy Portland – Spike in vandalism near camp
    Occupy SF: ATMs being smeared with feces
    Occupy Santa Fe: Banks vandalized with OWS-themed graffiti
    Occupy San Diego – Vendors cart vandalized with bodily fluids
    Occupy graffiti found on PA governor’s mansion

    NY: 10/1/2011 — Police Arrest More Than 700 Protesters on Brooklyn Bridge
    Madison, WI: 10-27-2011 — Madison Occupiers Lose Permit Due to Public Masturbation
    Phoenix: 10/28/2011 — Flier at Occupy Phoenix Asks, “When Should You Shoot a Cop?”
    NY: 10/18/2011 — Thieves Preying on Fellow Protesters
    NY: 10/9/2011 — Stinking up Wall Street: Protesters Accused of Living in Filth as Shocking Pictures Show One Demonstrator Defecating on a POLICE CAR
    NY: 10/7/2011 — Occupiers Rush Police
    Seattle: 10/18/2011 — Man Accused of Exposing Self to Children Arrested
    Portland: 10/16/2011 – #OccupyPortland Protester Desecrates Memorial To U.S. War Dead
    Portland: 10/15/2011 — #OccupyPortland Protesters Sing *beep* The USA”
    Boston: 10/11/2011 — Boston Police Arrest Over 100 from Occupy Boston
    New York: 10/15/2011 — Harassing Police with Accusations of Phony Injuries
    New York: 10/9/2011 – ‘Occupy Wallstreet’ Protesters Steal from Local Businesses
    New York: 10/25/2011 — Three Men Threatened to Kill 24-Year-Old Occupy Wall Street Protester for Reporting Rape
    Baltimore: 10/18/2011 — #OccupyBaltimore Discourages Sexual Assault Victims from Contacting Police
    Portland: 10/27/2011 — Occupy Portland’s Attempt At Wealth Redistribution Ends In Theft
    Los Angeles: 10/14/2011 – Anti-Semitic Protester at Occupy Wall Street
    10/27/2011 — A Death Threat From an Occupy Wall Street Protester
    Boston: 10/20/2011 — Occupy Boston Doesn’t Want Police Involved in Rape
    New York: 10/2011 — Occupier Tries to Steal Police Officer’s Gun
    New York: 10/27/2011 — Occupiers Block Traffic, Get Arrested
    Oakland: 10/27/2011 — Occupiers Throw Garbage at Police
    Oakland: 10/19/2011 — Abusive #OccupyOakland Protesters Ban Media from Tent City
    Eugene, OR: 10/19/2011 — Occupiers Displace Farmers’ Market Threatening Hundreds of Jobs
    NY: 10/20/2011 — #OccupyWallStreet Threatens Businesses, Patrons
    Oakland: 10/26/2011 — Occupiers Scuffle with Police
    Oakland: 10/24/2011 — Protesters Storm, Vandalize, Shut Down Chase Bank
    Dayton, OH: 10/22/2011 — Protester: *beep* The Military, *beep* Your Flag, And *beep* The Police’
    Chicago: 10/14/2011 – Protesters’ Message At #OccupyChicago Rally: ‘Destroy Israel’
    NY: 10/23/2011 — #OccupyWallStreet Supporter Rants Against Israel, Jews
    NY: 10/21/2011 — New Yorkers Fed Up With Noisy, Defecating Protesters
    Oakland: 10/21/2011 — Occupy Oakland Evicted After Reports Of Crime And Intimidation
    Oakland: 10/19/2011 — #OccupyOakland Out of Control: Rats, Graffiti, Vandalism, Sexual Harassment, Public Sex and Urination
    Chicago: 10/26/2011 – Occupiers Under Investigation by FBI for Links to Terrorism
    Cleveland: 10/29/2011 — Rape Reported at Occupy Cleveland
    Dallas: 10/24/2011 — Police Investigating Possible Sexual Assault Of Teen At Occupy Dallas
    Bloomington, IN: 10/26/2011 — Man Claims Occupy Bloomington Protesters Drugged, Handcuffed Him
    NY: 10/10/2011 — Sex, Drugs and Hiding from the Law at Wall Street Protests
    Glasgow: 10/26/2011 — Woman Gang-Raped
    Boston: 10/23/2011 — Occupy Boston Protesters Arrested For Dealing Heroin – With 6 Year-Old in Tent
    Portland: 10/16/2011 – Sex Offender Registers Occupy Portland Camp as Address
    Denver: 10/15/2011 — Occupy Denver Demonstrator Accused of Groping TV Photographer
    Lawrence, KS: 10/25/2011 — Sexual Assault Reported at Occupy Camp
    10/26/2011 — ACORN, Occupy Email Talks About Assault on Banks
    10/26/2011 – OccupyWallStreet Strategy for Reports of Violence Against Cops
    San Diego: 10/25/2011 — Flag Used as Chew Toy by Occupier’s Dog
    Oakland: 10/25/2011 — Occupiers Throw Bottles at Police
    NY: 10/28/2011 — Fox 5 News Reporter Assaulted at OWS
    Nashville: 10/28/2011 — 30 Arrests Made at Wall St. Protest
    NY: 10/20/2011 — Former Marine Tries to Taunt Police into Violence
    NY: 1023/2011 — Islamist Group Joins with Occupy Wall Street
    Los Angeles: 10/13/2011 — Roundup of Overt Occupy anti-Semitism
    NY: 10/12/2011 — There are No Anti-Semites at Occupy Wall Street. Except for This Guy
    Missoula, MT: 10/20/2011 — Drunk 11-Year-Old At Occupy Missoula, Adult Arrested
    San Diego: 10/28/2011 – 40 Occupiers arrested

    Manchester, NH: 10/28/2011 – Woman charged with pimping teen recruited at Occupy NH rally

    Calgary, CN: 10/28/2011 — Occupiers do $40,000 in Property Damage
    Cincinnati, OH: 10/21/2011 — 23 Arrested, Remains of protests fill two dumpsters
    Sacramento: 10/19/2011 – 9 arrested in ‘Occupy Sacramento’ protest
    Sacramento: 10/13/2011 – Four More Occupy Sacramento Demonstrators Arrested
    Austin, TX: 10/22/2011 – Man Arrested After Knife Incident at Occupy Austin Camp
    Nashville: 10/29/2011 — Tenn. Protesters Arrested For 2nd Straight Night
    Austin, TX: 10/30/2011 – Austin Police arrest 38 Occupy Austin Protesters
    NY: 10/30/2011 — Woman Assaulted in Her tent
    Orlando, FL: 10/28/2011 – Occupy Orlando, police clash over use of downtown park
    Orlando, FL: 10/26/2011 – 2 Occupy Orlando protesters arrested for trespass
    Orlando, FL: 10/22/2011 – Police arrest 19 Orlando protesters on trespass charges
    Oklahoma City: 10/30/2011 — Death of Street Poet at #OccupyOKC Treated as Homicide
    Baltimore: 10/31/2011 — Woman Claims She was Raped at #OccupyBaltimore
    Ottawa: 10/31/2011 — #OccupyOttawa Violent & Sexual Assaults Not Reported to Police
    Santa Barbara, CA: 10/5/2011 — Occupiers Defy Police
    Santa Barbara, CA: 10/6/2011 — 8 Occupiers Arrested
    Denver, CO: 10/31/2011 — Occupiers Taunt Police, Knock Motorcycle Cop to Ground
    Dallas, TX: 10/24/2011 — 23 Occupy Dallas Protesters Arrested After Bank Demonstration
    Richmond, VA: 10/31/2011 — Arrests of Occupiers in Richmond
    Dallas, TX: 1v1/1/2011: Man Arrested for Child Sex assault at Occupy Dallas Camp
    San Diego: 10/29/2011 — Businesswoman Closes Shop After Threats By Occupiers
    Palm Desert, CA: 11/1/2011 — Occupiers Arrested
    Tampa, FL: 10/24/2011 — Six Occupiers Arrested
    Tampa, FL: 10/27/2011 – Two More Arrested In Connection to Occupy Tampa Movement
    Tampa, FL: 10/29/2011 – Occupy Tampa Protesters Arrested After Scuffle With Police
    Sacramento, CA: 11/2/2011 — Occupiers Smash County Vehicle Windows
    Philadelphia: 11/2/2011 — Occupiers Arrested
    Charlottesville, VA: 11/1/2011 — Underage Drinking at Occupy Charlottesville Site
    Portland: 11/2/2011 — Occupier Shoves Police Officer into Moving Bus
    Oakland: 11/2/2011 — Malkin’s Collection of Vandalism and Menacing Signs
    NYC: 11/3/2011 — Occupier Busted In Tent Grope, Suspected In Rape
    NYC: 11/4/2011 – 16 OWS Protesters Arrested at Goldman Sachs HQ
    Oakland, CA: 11-3-2011 — Occupy-Friendly Business Vandalized
    Asheville, NC: 11/3/2011 — 24 Occupiers Arrested
    Raleigh, NC: 10/28/2011 – Eight at Occupy Raleigh Arrested After Standoff
    NYC: 11/4/2011 — Deranged Homeless Man Goes on Violent Rampage In Zuccotti Park
    Dallas, TX: CPS Seizes Baby From ‘Occupy Dallas’ Site
    Wash DC: 11/4/2011 — Occupier Uses Child as Human Shield — Video
    Wash DC: 11/4/2011 — Occupiers Try to Storm Americans for Prosperity Event — Video
    Omaha, NE: 11/3/2011 — Three Occupiers Arrested
    Atlanta: 11/3/2011 — Protester Turns On Fellow Protester With Knife
    Los Angeles: 10/28/2011 — Drug Use and Property Damage
    Boston, MA: 11/4/2011 — 3 Charged With Dealing Crack; Occupy Boston ‘Deteriorating’
    Boston, MA: 11/4/2011 — Occupiers Storm Israeli Consulate; Anti-Israel Chants — Video
    Vancouver, CN: 11/5/2011 – Occupy Vancouver Death Dooms Protest Camp
    Fort Collins, CO: 11/4/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Setting Fire to Condo Complex … $10M Damage
    Chula Vista, CA: 11/6/2011 — Underage Girl Missing From Occupy Protests
    Los Angeles, CA: 11/5/2011 – Two Assaults Raise Concerns About Crime at Occupy L.A.
    Dallas, TX: 11/5/2011 — Eight Arrests at Dallas Bank Protest
    Olympia, WA: 11/5/2011 – Two Occupy Protesters Arrested
    Olympia, WA: 11/2/2011 — 3 Occupiers Arrested for Suspected of Robbing Local Wine Merchant
    Worcester, MA: 11/6/2011 — 25 Occupiers Arrested
    Milwaukee, WI: 11/2/2011 — Photojournalist, Two others Arrested at Protest … Video
    Milwaukee, WI: 10/20/2011 — Police Confront Occupier –Video … Arrested
    Wash. DC: 11/5/2011 — Rampaging Occupiers Attack 78 Year-Old Woman — Video
    Rochester, NY: 11/3/2011 — 161 Occupiers Arrested at Park
    NYC: 11/5/2011 – Police Clash With Occupiers, 20 Arrested at Courthouse Protest
    NYC: 11/5/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Vandalizing McDonald’s; Wanted Free Food
    Asheville, NC: 11/5/2011 – Four Occupiers Arrested
    Honolulu, HI: 11/6/2011 — Police Arrest Half-Dozen Occupiers
    Waikiki, HI: 11/7/2011 — Two Dozen Occupiers Arrested

    NYC: 11/8/2011 — Occupier: ‘I Wouldn’t Give a *beep* if 9/11 Happened 911 More Times’

    Let me catch my breath and I will continue.

  112. Really. The fact that your comment devolved into a slew of expletives (unprecedented from you) tells me I hit a nerve.

    No it means I am dealing with a punk who lacks the ability to take the true meaning of what a person says and answer it honestly. You chose, because of the kind of person you are, to take the low road and the easy way out. You ARE the stereotype.

    Noah, either you write what you mean or you don’t. Let’s try one more time. If OWS’s only contribution was an increased crime rate then it follows logically (assuming we both speak English) that there is no other contribution. I said that was rank stupidity since I believe OWS did contribute to a valuable discussion in this country.

    The statement read..The only thing OWS changed was the rape and murder rates in the cities they occupied.

    Did the word “only” make it “technically” false? Yes I suppose so. Is it 99% accurate. Yes, yes it is. Over stated but true. Everywhere this group went, those crimes went up. The fact you want to hang your total worth on “only” tells us:

    1) Your a bitch
    2) You have no integrity
    3) You cannot be objective
    4) The truth only has value to you when it benefits you.
    5) You are one of the writers over at fat grannies(We all know there is no Margaret and Helen, at least not anymore)

    More valuable than this though we get to see what the real Rutherford is all about. When push comes to shove, you are just another Leftist pushing an agenda. You have zero credibility, zero ethical standards. You sir are a fraud. Best part is…you did it to yourself.

  113. Well Rutherford. I think Nagic documented that pretty well about OWS, don’t you think?

    Please, please keep trumpeting OWS until November. It’s a winning strategy. :wink: And for sure open the door for them to the convention. It will be beautiful, man.

  114. Tex, outside of a little thrush and a bad temper, the little guy is doing great. I will say this. I forgot how much goes into having a new born in the house. The toddler Rabbit is with me non stop while my wife takes care of Leo. The amount of work that goes into raising two compared to one is much more then double.

  115. The other day I was not father of the year. I took our toddler to my softball game without the right clothing for the falling temp. He had a diaper full of piss I forgot to change and a filthy face. Luckly some of the chicks at the game were able to hook him up with a blanket. Our 3rd basemen had a trunk full of diapers. Turns out he is an active abortion protester and gives diapers to people at clinics in the hood. Poor kid was in a stained wife beater and the temp was falling into the 50s. The girls booed me everytime I was batting but my boy was happily screaming Daddy!

    We are together non stop. I just DH for softball so I can watch him during games.

    Man do I suck by the way. My power is gone. Makes it very easy to quit tournament teams. The damn coach seemed relieved! I’M OLD!!

  116. Because people get arrested they are criminal? I know we have pretty much done way with due process and anything resembling a democracy, let alone a republic, but seriously? That might be the stupidest thing I’ve read on this blog, and there have been some real doozies.

    Did it ever occur to you the reason they were arrested was because the national attention was starting to influence the sheeple and threatened the elite’s power structure?

    Never mind. I forgot how non productive debated with any of your alias really is.

  117. The amount of work that goes into raising two compared to one is much more then double.

    My kids are 16 months apart. Isn’t that the truth about more than double the work? I think it’s because you never get much of a break. When you had one, you can hand off.

    Of course, my sweet wife did 95% of the work, but the other 5% about put me under. :twisted: Why this wonderful woman is stuck with me is truly one of the greatest injustices in human history.

    And for some unknown reason, she apparently loves me. I think it is because I clean the kitchen floor before she gets home.

  118. I’m gonna toss on my Devils Advocate cap for a comment.
    TPM and OWS are two different movements and not just from a political idealism point.Tactics,posture,goals and the attraction to entities in the periphery are definite tick marks on any credible list.

    Now all hyperbole aside anyone who thinks either movement has had zero impact isn’t being logical or honest.Anyone who thinks either movement hasn’t been significantly co-opted is also fooling themselves.

  119. I’ve worked in Dedham Ma,site of the bunny controversy and I can readily attest that comment 146 appears based in ignorance.Make a real point pm.

  120. Alfie, I agree 100 percent with 145.

    There, we can agree. Is that compromise or common ground? Since all is common ground and we come from the earth, we should agree on some common things, I think. It’s when we possess and squeeze we rob each other.

    Unless we place different values on different human lives. I suspect we do. Some, anyway. It does play out that way. Plenty have told of it.

    The Bilderberg folks are either the creme de la creme or their right hand men. You think they value all human life? You think their secretive meetings and privacy is benefiting the average American? They aren’t America, but they own it. Hell, they’re trying to squeeze more profit out of it. Sell the national parks and wilderness areas. Mine the shit out of it now. Can all organized labor.

    Ponzi scheme is almost played out.

    Everyone notice the Cash for Gold stores everywhere? They are all over with the people holding the signs at intersections. Preying on the hungry. They pay like 17 to 27 percent of the current value of gold. And with a check. Not cash. Supposedly it takes several days to get the check. Think anyone is being taken?

    Lazy Americans. That’s what they’ve bred. Can’t live without the beast.

  121. If the Rutherford Lawson blog was an old west saloon, I would knock poolman off his stool so hard his teeth would rain down upon the bar. I would then duel anyone of you motherfuckers who had a problem with it.

  122. “Words have meaning. I would think an attorney above anyone else would know that.”

    Still at it I see. :roll:

    Nagic’s words and meaning are obvious to everyone. You pretending otherwise is silly.

    R, for someone that was told he would make a good lawyer years ago, I am surprised you haven’t realized you were lied to.

    Give it a rest my friend.

  123. Alfie, seldom do I disagree with you. But this statement?

    who thinks either movement has had zero impact isn’t being logical or honest.Anyone who thinks either movement hasn’t been significantly co-opted is also fooling themselves.

    It is obvious that the Tea Party is dominating national politics. It along with Barack Obama’s gross incompetence changed the national and state landscape less than two years ago. To compare some anarchist, criminal, George Soros/SEIU financed outfit like OWS to the Tea Party, is frankly insulting to the intelligence.

    Sorry, but if the Tea Party is the U.S., OWS is Greece.

    What impact do you believe OWS has had, besides maybe demonstrating the most unseeming side of the disenfranchised, perpetual victim, thug, and thousands of loons like Poolman?

  124. I would then duel anyone of you motherfuckers who had a problem with it.

    No need to duel. I’d tie a noose around Poolman’s neck after you knocked his teeth out, and drag him through the cactus patch riding on the fastest horse, laughing hysterically while doing so.

    Poolman would look like Raggedy Annie when I brought him back and dumped him in the trough, toothless.

    That’s almost orgasmic to think about, isn’t it?

  125. Nagic’s words and meaning are obvious to everyone.

    Yes, they were obvious to everyone who speaks the English language and he said OWS changed nothing but the crime rate. He was wrong. And I won’t “give it a rest” so long as folks talk in the extreme and then call me a bitch for calling them on it.

  126. Well gang, this concludes my broadcasting day. It was my birthday. I turned a young 51. (Tex stop laughing. :-) ) We ate at a Mexican restaurant so I’m sure to be digestively miserable tomorrow. My wife gave me a disgusting e-book of liberal propaganda. Oh the humanity.

    Speaking of Mexican, I’m surprised none of you chimed in on Obama’s opportunistic politically motivated pandering laudable Presidential decree allowing young “illegals” two years to get their affairs in order. ;-)

  127. Maybe it is just pure ignorance. After all that he still cant/wont step up. Just no fixing that kind of stupid.

    Where I come from, men who rape 14 year olds, or deal drugs in front of 6 year olds, or gang rape women, or use children as human shields, or pimping their teen daughter to attract more people to protest, or murder, we like to call them criminals. We dont have to be asked twice to speak out against them, certainly not three times. I find your support disturbing.

    Lets call this horse beaten, and you exposed.

  128. “You are still thinking they are using a pancake theory to explain what happened to the towers. If you actually were up to speed (no pun intended), NIST discarded that theory early in their research.”

    I watched them fall as it happened. Pancake appears to be exactly what they did. There are videos everywhere; you do YOUR homework; am well-satisfied that I know what happened, and don’t recommend anyone waste any more time chasing crackpot theories.

    For the most part both towers fell inside their own footprints. I had an explosives course when I was in mining engineering, and have done or watched a fair amount of shooting on strip mines and construction sites. I can think of no way whatsoever for a building to collapse the way they did via explosives, unless the building was prepared for months, with critical girders cut, load-bearing walls removed, and explosives on floor after floor. How would you do that without anyone noticing?

    I have to tell you, PoolDude; it is not just Rutherford who is baffling sometimes.

  129. As for theories about whether beams went up or down or sideways – utter rubbage. That kind of energy released in utter chaos could – and certainly WOULD cause interactions you could never even broadly characterize. Pancaking floors should slow down and stop? Really? How does that happen with every floor adding its weight to the one above?

    Sorry – this is getting nauseating. Count me out.

    On another front: Dateline Lafayette, LA. Just enjoyed three days with my old mentor from residency days. Still controversial; still brilliant. Just watched him place clotting devices in a brain aneurysm and save the lady’s life. There IS some good in this world still.

  130. @Tex and ET I don’t necessarily compare the two in fact I tried to distinguish them as two distinct and different types of creatures in the opener of my # 145. Also please don’t read me as saying OWS et al are a positive.That said though….
    I think the OWS movement reignited a concept for a generation. I also think they served as a test balloon for the always present socialist counter culture that has existed in the USA since the 1800’s. (think Haymarket & Debs for two previous “floats”) I think they did as Rutherford says & upped the volume on the discussion of “economic disparities”. I don’t think they are noble in their action/purpose but again those on the periphery,in the wake are moved to act and that is indeed traceable to the initial movement and thats a definite impact.
    No,seriously I believe OWS has had an impact other than arrests of their members. I believe they have empowered and inspired folks from the entire left spectrum to believe action not just words is needed for their cause and I think Trumka and the AFL/CIO thing is proof to that.

  131. I taped the Today Show’s attack from before the second plane hit the building to until the tape filled because I had to be gone.

    The buildings’ collapse was accelerating down as Pfessor described.

    Our children’s birthdays were a year and two days apart by design so my wife could continue to teach in the fall. My mother cared for them during the autumn days, though they sometimes rode in the combine or tractor with my father or me. The ear protectors seemed to be bigger than they were.

    I was primary caregiver during the winter. Every day was “Take Your Child to Work Day.” My wife taught them at school when they were teenagers. She said I had the better deal.

  132. “And I won’t “give it a rest” so long as folks talk in the extreme and then call me a bitch for calling them on it.”

    Okay R. Keep up with it then.

    Nagic makes his point. You do avoid a the real issue like no one else I know by focusing a word or line then ranting about it, like here. I

    I remember going around and around until you finally admitted you misunderstood the definition of “disdain.”

    Same thing with your weird-ass comments about my impressions of Sharpton — until you went back and re-read what I actually said as opposed to what you had imagined.

    We all suffered through the dark days of your Giffords episode. The same devices used.

    You are defensively arguing with me that “words mean what they say.” I don’t know Nagic and am not a cheerleader. And I do see he’s looking for a fight with you on a variety of topics.

    But Good Lord Man! You are doing EXACTLY what he’s accusing you of while the discussion of OWS and Tea Part progresses by others.

  133. The amnesty thing is a patently unconstitutional disgrace. and designed to be recognized as such to create a campaign issue nonetheless. The latest contrived ethical conflict look to me like the final bastion of a doomed presidency.

  134. Alfie, I think you’re too generous. I don’t see a design, and in event as a “test balloon” OWS failed — not just in imagery. It’s apolitical objectives and methods were really meaningless.

    The discussion of economic disparity has been ever present. OWS was just a directionless temper tantrum

  135. WOW! I now see why Noah/Nagic/Anonoymous was banned at M&H. I did a little research for you Rutherford and found the following request to Matthew, moderator at M&H.

    “I will offer up a truce. I will treat your mother and friend with greater respect, but still reserve the right to vehemently disagree with them. I will use greater diplomacy in my interaction with others on here and keep the tone of my post at a more civil level in exchange for the ability to post unhindered. I will also stick to one name.

    Or we can just do this endless dance if you prefer. As this past year or so has shown I have nothing but empty time on my hand. I would prefer the former but happy to live with that latter. If additional conditions are needed feel free to present them. I wont bother you with another request should you ignore or decline. Smile to agree. Eye roll to decline.”

  136. @ El Tigre:
    It’s apolitical objectives and methods were really meaningless.
    (emphasis by Alfie)
    That aroused my curiosity. What about OWS was apolitical?

  137. The discussion of economic disparity has been ever present. OWS was just a directionless temper tantrum.

    This sums up OWS for me. A bunch of people went out and raged. Some knew why, others didn’t. There were puppets and puppeteers. The only thing these events did successfully was to gather a lot of people in a lot of different places. But concerts do this every years, so really nothing significant transpired, other than the aforementioned crimes.

  138. Alfie, its rejection of politicians, both parties and political machinery. The efforts to co-opt largely failed. OWS made a direct attack on business. Its “members” weren’t sitting on the steps of congress, running a candidate or even engaging the politicians. It did not seek political redress for its so-called wide-spread economic/societal grievances. OWS was not just different, it was the antithesis of the TP.

  139. Sincere blather to follow:
    @deadrabbit Happy Fathers Day. I once joked you were living a near Job like existence and I still think it holds. Best wishes to you and yours on the day and beyond.
    @El tigre. Happy Fathers Day to you too.Enjoying the discussions thx.
    @poolman…what the hell happy f-day to you too as I seem to remember you’ve stated you have at least one now adult offspring .
    @Tex. Happy fathers Day to you man. I don’t mind when we disagree. A special shout out to you as you are a dad who is dealing with college tuition. When people bemoan your style and call for others to reprimand you I always wanted to say something. Good a time as any.
    I apply what I call the bumper sticker test to many,you included. In your case if someone broke down in front of your house with one of those “coexist” bumper stickers I firmly believe you’d allow the person use of your phone to call AAA. In contrast I always felt if one broke down in front of a certain Bartlesville OK resident with lets say a Palin sticker he’d pee himself laughing at the persons despair.
    @Rutherford. Happy Fathers Day dear host. Although you being a cat person made me cry a little I’ll still wish you well.
    Happy Fathers Day to any other folks here that it applies. No slight intended just had a few thoughts weighing on me I had to purge.
    I have to go recharge my manliness now,have a great weekend everyone if I don’t get around.
    Alfie

  140. @173 and to a lesser degree #174
    You really believe the spirit behind OWS has vanished?
    More so @ ET 174….anarchy is very political in my book as is radical socialism.

  141. Alfie, please explain. I find your comment re: anarchy and radical socialism a contradiction at least in this case. There was not a call to tear down the political structures to achieve their objectives — well other than a rally to confiscate private property counts (and I don’t think it does).

  142. Apparently the virtual dog ate your homework assignment, PFesser.

    As a pilot, I would think you understand the structure of aircraft better than most. Planes generally lose wings or tail sections on impact with denser building structures or the solid earth.

    Normally, they don’t slice through and disappear entirely.

    It isn’t just my theory. Anyone with a clear and functioning brain able to dispute this video?

  143. Of course, very persuasive group think has to be recognized first. Most don’t want to stand out from the herd…

  144. @ ET I sincerely don’t understand what you’re saying so I’m literally just taking a stab at it here.

    OWS was making a statement and not in a manner unlike those I alluded to earlier (Haymarket & Debs) I’ll also add Father Coughlin.
    I never said OWS was trying to act within the “system”,I simply don’t agree that acting outside or outright against the system is in any way apolitical.

  145. CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida (Reuters) – The U.S. military’s unmanned X-37B robotic space shuttle returned from orbit at 5:48 a.m. in California (1248 GMT)from a secretive 15-month test flight, Air Force officials said on Saturday.

    The miniature space plane, also known as Orbital Test Vehicle-2, or OTV-2, touched down at California’s Vandenberg Air Force Base, 130 miles northwest of Los Angeles. It was only the second U.S. vehicle to make an autonomous runway landing from space.

    “With the retirement of the space shuttle fleet, the X-37B OTV program brings a singular capability to space technology development,” said Lieutenant Colonel Tom McIntyre, X-37B program manager. “The return capability allows the Air Force to test new technologies without the same risk commitment faced by other programs. We’re proud of the entire team’s successful efforts to bring this mission to an outstanding conclusion.”

    The military’s first X-37B debuted in 2010 and autonomously landed at Vandenberg after 224 days in space. The former Soviet Union’s Buran space shuttle, which made a single spaceflight in 1988, was the first ship to make an autonomous landing from orbit.

    http://news.yahoo.com/secret-military-mini-shuttle-lands-california-151059578.html

    The military will not disclose what OTV-2 was doing during its 15 months in orbit, but a third mission already is on the calendar for launch this fall. OTV-2 blasted off aboard an unmanned Atlas 5 rocket from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station on March 5, 2010.

    [...]

    Rather than hydrogen-oxygen fuel cells like the orbiters, the X-37Bs are powered by gallium arsenide solar cells with lithium-ion batteries. The vehicles were designed to stay in orbit for up to 270 days. OTV-2 surpassed that milestone by 199 days.

    Space drones that fly virtually forever. Awesome shit!
    Leave it to the AF to develop and utilize green energy in space. Star wars, man. The gipper would be so proud.

  146. Raji
    Think what you will…of what you posted there….80% of the first paragraph was mine…the second was written for me and if memory serves there was a 3rd paragraph about the kitchen group..all of which was then posted to the public at large. The reason for my constant name changes was because Matt was rewriting all my posts.

    If Rutherford wants to ban me because I called him on his BS..go for it. I am not about to blow sunshine up his arse for the privilege of posting.

  147. “If the Rutherford Lawson blog was an old west saloon I would…
    :lol:

    If the RL Blog was a roller derby rink I would whip poolman into the rails, then I would power slide into him and jam my skate into his neck. Then I would throw him on the roof of my car and drive him deep into an Appalacian bog and screech to a stop so that he rolls off into a soup of quicksand.

  148. Alfie, there are disagreements and then discussions. With a good guy like you, I have discussions even in disagreement. Reasoned, rational, good guy. Actually, I generally would do the same with Rutherford too, but it is so fun to nail his foot to the floor and watch him wobble around in circles while he chews on me, my bad half almost always wins out.

    Yeah, I’d let the Coexist gal or guy use my phone. Most of them I find such sad sacks, I can’t even get my dander up about them. Wished they didn’t vote. :twisted:

    Matter of fact, edged a tatted woman’s lawn this week with a first born named “Pagan” – poor kid. To each their own, but why would a mother do something like that? I know I’m old fashioned and traditional, but good grief.

    My wife chewed my ass last night for asking wife, “Why didn’t she just name the kid Lucifer and be done with it?”

    Pfesser would have laughed his ass of at my house if he had been a fly on the wall and heard the knock down, drag out argument I had with incredibly bright, eldest daughter last week over ‘evolution.’ I think I could hear his voice ringing in my ears while the debate ensued.

  149. If the RL Blog was a roller derby rink I would whip poolman into the rails, then I would power slide into him and jam my skate into his neck.

    :lol: :lol: You sure your name isn’t Tuffy? I had always pictured this sweet, pretty Catholic girl sitting at her desk typing amongst a bunch of wolves. Hang around long enough, and I nominate you as Alpha.

  150. If poolman ever disappears there’s going to be a lot of questions for Rutherford.

    PS…Sometimes I can’t control my inner roller derby queen, Tex. :lol:

  151. “…named “Pagan” …”

    No.

    You should have seen my doubletake when one of the neighborhood moms called out for her son “Adonis.” “

  152. I do tend to bring out the emotions. :grin: By the way, Muffy, my eldest is actually one of the top people in the AZRD local division.

    John Lennon – Gimme Some Truth

    Im sick and tired of hearing things
    From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocritics
    All I want is the truth
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    Ive had enough of reading things
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    Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
    With just a pocketful of hope
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    Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
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    Im sick to death of seeing things
    From tight-lipped, condescending, mamas little chauvinists
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    Ive had enough of watching scenes
    Of schizophrenic, ego-centric, paranoiac, prima-donnas
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    Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
    With just a pocketful of soap
    Its money for dope
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    Ah, Im sick and tired of hearing things
    From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocrites
    All I want is the truth now
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    Ive had enough of reading things
    By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians
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  153. Then I we’re missing each other in both directions Alfie.
    I suspect it’s semantics (arrrgh) and perhaps I will be persuaded to your line of thinking. To explain myself, perhaps mistaken, one step at a time:

    OWS did not identify itself as anarchist.

    It did not identify itself as socialist. In fact, it didn’t explicitly identify itself as anti-capitalist – although clearly that was by and large an underlying strain.

    It identified itself as the economically oppressed “99%” (or, what sounded more to me like the “not economically advantaged 1%”).

    Now, you are far more well-versed political history than me. Light-years. And here’s what I know of the examples that you offered as examples/analogies of a political movement purely off of feel, not true understanding:

    Haymarket I assume you are referring to the NY or Chicago event that started as a labor/union protests, then strike, then violent bombing and chaos set in motion by an anarchists bombing by some group. I understand Haymarket to have been a single event caused by the convergence of two different groups, each with developed agendas, i.e. labor and anarchism. Each appealing to opposing to a different authority. An uprising, but not a unified and sustained effort. The labor side ultimately effectuated change to meet its objectives, the anarchists on to something new without a meaningful destruction of the political structure.

    If you were referring to Eugene Debs, he had a decidedly political agenda, affiliation (Dem then Socialist) and of course represented organized labor.

    I had to look up Father Coughlin. From what I read he was a political commentator, then reformist with a populist, social fairness platform upon which he founded a movement intended to become a political party.

    Now, I do not view OWS, while having a social fairness message, as akin organized labor (in fact in many ways “non-labor”) nor a self-identified party seeking reform or destruction of political body. As I said, I view it as a temper tantrum

    However, a significant difference to me is the appeal to the “private” confiscation and distribution of wealth, debt forgiveness etc. Admittedly, private property rights are a creature of the state (creation and enforcement). But I see OWS as little more than protests aimed at civil disruption for its own sake as its core with a loosely defined opponent as “the rich” who should “give it back.” From whom and to whom being a vague concept incapable of meaningful definition. In any event not the government and therefore apolitical in its lack of ultimate direction towards the structure or affairs of government, politics, or the state.

    Alfie, if you consider all “movements” and “protests” by definition “political” in that they seek social change, then I concede to your point without conceding to my own.

    I hope I haven’t made a confusing mess of the explanation. I am taking a stab at what you said as well.

  154. @El Tigre you’re spot on for the most part and I accept where it is I that draws a line or two a tad longer along the paper than you.
    As I asked magic re “spirit of OWS”. I think that is something real and something worth be conscious of whether one is for or against OWS.
    Just to round some things out re my examples and the spirit premise.
    Haymarket is indeed the Chicago thing. I feel its contextual history,demographics and economic turning point kind of thing relates well to the OWS and is an example of history trying to talk to us.
    With Mr. Debs you are again correct;however, if we expand it a little I think we have to admit that there was clearly a disorganized populism that he drew collective support from even if “united” it failed to be behind him. (kind of hate that sentence but) Isolationists,socialists and many other disaffected elements could get into Debs message. I think the disconnected effed up populism that got into OWS mirrors that era. It is to be noted that that populism waned even though some of it squarely faced off the sedition charges.
    Father Coughlin was how you called him and somewhat more. Louisiana Long,Coughlin and FDR made for interesting politics. The vast social turmoil going on back then was/is fascinating to me.So OWS triggered images to me of how I think it must have been when townsfolk listened to the radio and thought “free checks” to widows and the like was a duty,a noble right etc etc. while others obviously were like “WTF”???
    Bottom line I think we have different positions and that some nuance and semantics are surely afoot too,but I can also say I understand you better now,hope I’ve helped my self too.

  155. Noah, the only thing exposed is your dumb fat ass. You are a drama queen, a rank propagandist (to borrow a phrase from Tex) and an intellectual liar, the last two of which you accuse me of.

    I’m off to the movies. More later.

  156. Whatever Rutherford. I proved my point. You couldn’t deal with it, so you comment on my ass then ran away. No one cares if you are going to the movies, or spending all your time on google trying to save your ass the humiliation I delivered you.

    I was sold a false bill of goods on you. I was told you were different than the cackle of hags at fat grannies. I, am letting You, off the hook.,so the last word is yours. Man up or continue to punk out, I really do not care.

  157. I agree with Alfie that the OWs demonstrations might have been a trial balloon.

    The early populist movement grew from legitimate concerns. Farmers and the working class were being exploited. William Jennings Bryan in addition to Eugene Debs capitalized on the Populist movement. The Omaha Platform was one of the first to suggest Social Security years before its time.

    Mario Rubio suggested something similar to Obama’s so called aministy. Obama’s political move will foster many unintended consequences. I don’t think those young people should be deported. They should be given the chance to earn their citizenship, but Obama’s way has just made competition for a limited number of jobs even greater, especially among minorities like blacks who have suffered disproportionatly during our hard times.

  158. I swear this is my last comment on this stuff.

    “Apparently the virtual dog ate your homework assignment, PFesser.”

    I don’t do homework assignments, Poolman; I give them.

    “As a pilot, I would think you understand the structure of aircraft better than most.”

    Having built a hang glider from plans, a second from a kit (that I later added a snowmobile engine to and flew as an ultralight – my own design), having built an aeroplane that I flew ten years, and having about twenty years’ experience doing my own maintenance on a certificated aeroplane, that might or might not be true, but why would you think that makes one an expert at the high-speed destruction of same? Hint – it doesn’t.

    “Planes generally lose wings or tail sections on impact with denser building structures or the solid earth.”

    At slow speeds, yes. At 600 knots, they disintegrate. (d-i-s-i-n-t-e-g-r-a-t-e) (See E = 1/2mV^2). Again, see MythBusters’ rocket sled episode.

    “Normally, they don’t slice through and disappear entirely.”

    I agree. See “disintegrate,” as above.

    “It isn’t just my theory.”

    Yes it is.

    “Anyone with a clear and functioning brain able to dispute this video?”

    It’s not a video. It is an artist’s rendering of what is in his head. It exists nowhere else.

    These days it is trivial to animate any fantasy you want. Want to see my drawing of the unicorn and the skittles on my lawn? Quite striking, but it doesn’t make them real, (although they are).

  159. It’s not a video. It is an artist’s rendering of what is in his head. It exists nowhere else.

    WTF???

  160. Here you go. I SWEAR this is the last comment this time.

    Interestingly, the rocket sled is going about 560 knots. It is also comprised of 1″ steel plate, not lightweight aircraft aluminum.

    Case closed. Sorry.

  161. Interestingly, the rocket sled is going about 560 knots. It is also comprised of 1″ steel plate, not lightweight aircraft aluminum.

    Impressive. And I have seen that before. But all the pieces were still there and identifiable in the mythbuster’s piece. Lightweight aircraft aluminum would still be lightweight aircraft aluminum. It generally cannot penetrate 1″ steel beams and girders. Except, of course, in the Wonderful World of Disney.

    Disintegrate, nah. Distorted, yeah totally. No fusion either.

  162. Dear Poolman,
    I am writing to ask you to seriously consider to adopt the agree to disagree protocol regards yeti,9/11,USS Liberty,JFK,Paul Wellstone, and assorted other topics.
    In all seriousness you can’t possibly believe any of the usual suspects found in these here parts will EVER be persuaded to your P.O.V. I would also think you’d accept the futility of having anything resembling dialog since neither side accepts the others sources.
    Please note I’m not castrating your comment possibilities. For my part I’m wide open to Operation Mongoose and Northwoods conversation within the bounds of dialog. Champion RP to your hearts content. Question authority,hell I for one would love to see you call out the present POTUS for a number of things.
    Thanks
    Alfie

  163. Alfie,

    Nothing ever is solved when it is swept under the rug. Protocols are for maintaining a status quo. When the status quo isn’t working, it’s time to examine why. It isn’t usually comfortable and may cause controversy, but it is the only way to better ourselves.

    When you go to a doctor, the first thing he does is check your vitals and tries to diagnose what ails you. Then he sets to improve your health and alleviate your ailments.

    When you turn your business over to a management firm, the first thing they do is assess your financial health and market impact, then put a plan together to improve your bottom line.

    When you hire a contractor, the first thing he does is assess your needs and then provides plans and costs by which to achieve it.

    Unless all cards are on the table and faced up, we will never get a fair and equitable solution to what provides us with the greatest liberty and the most successful pursuit of happiness.

    Ron Paul has done plenty to get the message out, though the ‘establishment’ does everything in its power to quell the message.

    I have called out our POTUS numerous times. I am very anti-war and he is the most warlike president we have had in my lifetime. If it isn’t him, it’s what controls him.

    War is a total failure of the human experiment, and therefore I will not stop trying to stop it. I wholly believe the PTB planned and executed the latest Pearl Harbor event and from that shock and awe fear enacted the reversal of citizens’ rights and liberty, written well in advance by the PTB.

    This is a revolution. It may not be a conventional one, but it is a movement with serious change its intended goal. I understand there is certain rationale among different segments of society. I’m also very attuned to coercion and persuasion techniques.

    The real battleground is the mind. The PTB have known that all along.

  164. fwiw I found Obamas super selective amnesty action to be a disgrace and put near an impeachable offense.

    Impeachable? Alfie, didn’t Reagan do something damn similar in the 1980’s? Was it impeachable then?

    P.S. Don’t get me wrong. I fully understand how this executive order to be construed as political gamesmanship … but impeachable … that to me goes a bit far.

  165. R, Happy Belated Birthday. Just celebrated mine too. So we’ve got one thing in common.

    Thanks Tigre. I wonder if the powers that be said on June 15, “let there be a yin and a yang.” :-) Of course that would imply you’re 51 too and I’m pretty sure you’re younger.

  166. R, I’m not 51, but I’m hot on your heels.

    Funny thing is though, there’s something more coincidental that I can’t mention without making my identity too easy to ascertain (if anyone ever gave a rat’s ass). For your amusement, I’ll shoot you an email.

  167. Impeachable? Alfie, didn’t Reagan do something damn similar in the 1980′s? Was it impeachable then?
    No, Reagan signed an actual law.
    I fully understand how this executive order to be construed as political gamesmanship
    That’s part of what makes it a disgrace for me.It is shameless gamesmanship,it’s not a construe kind of thing.
    Rutherford I’ve awarded myself a few ObamaPails ™ so I’m more than entitled to toss the “I” word about regards this pretty shameful act. i’ll see it and raise you the security leaks stuff. Too much 4 me dude.
    I’ll tell you what though,I’ll pass on impeachment and go with him being defeated in November instead.

  168. R, doing this by executive order is beyond the pale. And Alfie’s right, the political gamesmanship is so transparent it should bother the shit out of anyone. So transparent in fact that I think it backfires big time.

  169. I did a little research for you Rutherford

    LOL Thanks for the research Raji. Noah need not worry about using all sorts of different names here. While he pisses me off more than anyone in recent blogging memory, I have no intention of banning him.

    I hope he at least enjoys the camaraderie of his fellow conservatives cos he certainly has no common cause with the blog host. If he’s not happy, then coming here is just an exercise in masochism.

  170. A bunch of people went out and raged.

    More mischaracterization unless of course “rage” doesn’t mean “rage” I’ve been criticized for actually holding Noah to account for the actual words he uses.

    I watched videos of the “assemblies” and I saw no rage. If anything, they tended to be quite funny with the “human megaphone” approach of the audience repeating whatever the speaker had to say.

    You see, while Noah was busy reading the police blotter there were actually peaceful gatherings going on. It is so interesting how we see what we want to see.

    I’ve evolved sufficiently to admit that the racists on display at Tea Party rallies were fodder for the liberal photographers. A lot of very decent people assembled at those rallies and as I’ve said before they managed to gain POLITICAL traction. Either that means they had influence OR they had powerful behind-the-scenes backing in the first place, so a place at the political table was inevitable.

  171. It did not seek political redress for its so-called wide-spread economic/societal grievances.

    I think this is true. They wanted to “start over” vs change what was already in place. This may have been the influence of some of the anarchists that were involved in the movement. It was definitely one of their mistakes. You can’t toss out what you’ve got and start over in this complicated an environment. You have to change what you’ve got.

  172. Thanks for the Father’s day wishes Alfie. I get the short end of the stick because school is in session for Mother’s day so my kid always ends up doing some school project for Mommy. By the time my day comes around, there’s no school incentive for me to get squat. So tomorrow I’ll just be happy for a card and an acknowledgement that I exist. I’m still on her good side for introducing her to The Simpsons. :-)

  173. The reason for my constant name changes was because Matt was rewriting all my posts.

    From personal experience I do believe Noah on this one. One of my posts was tampered with also at M&H.

    That may be one of the things that galls me the most about you Noah is you have the nerve to compare this place to M&H when none of their most reprehensible practices ever happens here.

  174. Poolman, if I were you I’d be flattered to be the object of fantasies. Hey Muffy, do you ever fantasize about me? ;-) Nah don’t tell me …. I don’t want my wife kicking my ass. :-)

  175. I was sold a false bill of goods on you. I was told you were different than the cackle of hags at fat grannies.

    So sorry you were disappointed Noah. I get the feeling that happens to you a lot. Must suck to be you.

    P.S.

    No one cares if you are going to the movies

    Since this is more than just people snarking at each other about politics … many of us really like each other as much as “cyber-people” can … my going to the movies is as relevant as what any friend says to another about his daily activities. And since you are the newest person here, I really don’t think you’re in any position to state what everyone else here cares about.

    By the way folks …. more info you don’t “care” about … we saw Madagascar 3 in 3D. Can someone please tell me why we’re getting suckered into buying 3D glasses for an extra 3 bucks? Do you know just about every new kids movie is pulling this 3D scam? And you know full well no kid is gonna agree to see the 2D version if all her friends are seeing the 3D. I’m telling you if I could only come up with this many ways to take people’s money, I’d be a rich man. :neutral:

  176. Pagan, “R”. I swear, the world has passed me by and somebody forgot to tell me about it. The gal is actually good looking – why she tattooed her arms and wears those funky ear things in her lobes that look like Zula, I have no idea. She’s got two more – all from different father’s I think. Ambrose (another boy) and Sadie, a cute little girl. The middle child’s grandparents bought them the house – weird story. The grandparent is a surgeon and wanted his grandson out of an apartment complex. My neighborhood is quickly changing, at not for the better I’m afraid. A bunch of elderly neighbors are retiring, don’t need the equity, move to these expensive retirement assisted places, and dump the home in this distressed market.

    If I had an extra million bucks, I’d go buy a home right across the street from Mr. Surgeon and put an rusted dryer in the front yard, with 37 pink flamingos, renting it to a bunch of meth heads.

    Happy Birthday to you and El Tigre too. 52 comes up for me very shortly. Hope you enjoyed the movie. My wife and I rented a real clunker this evening for $1.30 cents from RedBox – it wasn’t worth it.

    I sure am glad I didn’t pay $20.00 for the stuff that is produced anymore. I hear the Avengers is pretty good. Probably go see that with wifey while she’s home.

    P.S. – Just to prove how old I’m getting, I got very excited tonight about my Father’s Day. A Dyson sweeper! :lol: Shell out $600 bucks, and you get a sweeper that looks like bowling ball and sucks like a Poolman.

  177. Well ya gotta hand it to Poolman, he is one persistent truther!

    Hey PF since you are the only one here with flight experience (I think) do answer me this. Isn’t it odd that the hijackers didn’t simply nose dive the plane into the roof of the Pentagon considering it was only about 3 or 4 stories tall? Didn’t it take a LOT more flying skill to glide the plane into the side of a low rise building and wasn’t there far more risk of hitting the ground and never reaching the intended target?

  178. Alfie if the security leaks came from the White House and Obama knew then he has some serious ‘splainin’ to do.

    But I also saw a headline today (I think it was in the Times) saying we are doing “secret” covert spying in Africa. So I have to wonder what the hell qualifies as a secret nowadays?

    By the way, I stand corrected on the Reagan amnesty. I thought that was also by executive order. My bad.

  179. Tigre, even liberal commentators have noted that Obama seems to be doling out “favors” to his various demographic constituencies to ensure their vote. First it was gays with his “statement”, now Hispanics with the amnesty move.

    Maybe this is what they call the Chicago Way? ;-)

  180. I’ve always wanted one of those Dyson machines as they look like they really do the job and I love the commercials. But damn they’re expensive. When we needed a new vacuum cleaner last year I wanted a Dyson but after I got over the sticker shock, we made a more “sensible” purchase.

    Speaking of which, I heard on TV today that it currently costs about $87 per ticket to go to DisneyLand. That CANNOT be true, could it? I’ve never heard of an amusement park costing more than $30 a pop.

  181. More mischaracterization unless of course “rage” doesn’t mean “rage” I’ve been criticized for actually holding Noah to account for the actual words he uses.

    Rutherford, I think, (like you do most things in life) you are over compensating. We get it…you were the victim. The word “only” vindicated you and you were obviously right…and everyone else was wrong. We get it…put it to bed kiddo.

    As for your disputing rage. Was there no rage when people were raped, murdered, when people and police were assaulted?

    Was this all a zen moment?

    Some more truth.

  182. OK, I know I’m promoting lunacy here but before I go to bed one last question for Poolman. Let’s say for one moment that you’re right that a rocket hit the Pentagon and not a plane. Please answer me this. Where the hell did Flight 77 go? Why have we never seen any of its passengers walk this Earth since 9/11? Did it crash somewhere else?

  183. OK, I lied (arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, I just saw Bill Whittle flash up on my screen as my screen refreshed! Noooooooooooo! No way to end a Saturday night!!!!!!!!!!! :shock:) one more comment before I go … this one completely whimsical and should give even the most cynical on the board a smile and a sense of wonder.

    Behold:

  184. A member of the clergy goes to check out OWS for herself to see what it is really about, not what the media tells us.

    I understand this is underhanded using truth and logic….but here it is anyway. Time to wake up.

  185. 215 False James appeared on the blog too. He and false Noah had a long conversation. “I” described being abused as a child. IN that case, I don’t think it was an inside job–probably the work of one of the posters. At one time, Richard wrote that under accepted definition, most of the people attacking me were the trolls and not I.

    A year or so ago, Obama said he couldn’t do what he just did about amenisty. He said his duty is to enforce the laws.

    Another writer and the House have blamed Obama’s overly restrictive regulations on a medical drug shortage.

  186. 226 The Clay County fair in norhwest Iowa has something like this. The display continues to grow as the trains move from the modern world to the wild west and everything between. Elvis sings at a concert, and a crop duster sprays farm fields.

    That Hamburg project is amazing. I want to visit Germany to see it.

  187. “Hey PF since you are the only one here with flight experience (I think) do answer me this. Isn’t it odd that the hijackers didn’t simply nose dive the plane into the roof of the Pentagon considering it was only about 3 or 4 stories tall? Didn’t it take a LOT more flying skill to glide the plane into the side of a low rise building and wasn’t there far more risk of hitting the ground and never reaching the intended target?”

    Airliners are basically giant powered gliders; they are extremely efficient, having a very high glide ratio (lift/drag ratio). This is around 18/1 for the 757 – this means it goes forward as much as 18′ for every foot it goes down. Trying to dive it straight down without anything to limit your speed would result in an overspeed condition in seconds, with the wings departing the aircraft shortly thereafter. Basically you would become a lawn dart, which is very hard to steer.

    Dive bombers in WWII could dive straight down, but had dive brakes

    to limit their airspeed, and the pilots had the training required. Those kinds of things have never been tested in an airliner to my knowledge, and my surmise is that even deploying the landing gear and spoilers would not be enough to keep you from overspeeding.

    Interestingly, since all wings produce lift, the dive bombers actually had to dive a little past vertical, somewhat over on their backs, in order to get the plane to descend vertically.

  188. I guess I really didn’t answer your question, R.

    With the airplane rightside up, you just point it at whatever you want to hit. With the wings parallel to the ground, they hold the plane up and keep it from gathering up too much speed from gravity.

    If you point the nose way down it will either overspeed and break up, or the controls will push back so hard you can’t hold it and you will overshoot your target.

  189. This is just my extrapolation from running a crash through my head. In addition to Pfessor’s explaination, hitting a building on the side would spread the damage. Tornadic winds can drive straws and other objects into the sides of houses and trees without destroying them.

  190. That scripted German narration is really creepy.I was waiting for the “extermination” section or something.

    And there’s PF for “the creation of life” at 3:54.

  191. @ Tex 219
    I found something in that comment very thought provoking. In many parts of America and definitely per personal experience the Northeast there have been fits of what is termed “White Flight”. Although there has been a clear demographic angle to it there is also a pure financial/socio-economic aspect to it too.
    Anyway the tie in. I wonder with the state of the USA economy if we’re experiencing or about to experience a new type of “flight” and migration.
    Wouldn’t it kind of suck if the only way the housing market rebounds is by building gated communities? Wouldn’t it suck if communities all ready stressed but holding it together implode financially as they respond to further negatives in realty?
    Neighborhoods across the nation experience the dump and run thing Tex talks of and historically the response has been a grueling nightmare in many places.

  192. @ Rutherford and any of the other closet pro-GM folks that wander in….
    Isn’t the fact that GM is finally pushing leases for the Chevy Volt indicative to how effed up the corporation is to its core?

  193. I think that new kind of flight is already happening. We in the Heartland are collecting refugees from states like California.
    Such migrations and “flight” are part of human history.

    The Perene Thesis held that empires like Rome die piecemeal with enclaves holding out for generations–rather like a body’s dying process.

    Our region would survive longer as a gated community with an alliance with Canada.

  194. Happy Father’s Day to all the dads here.

    After a few cups of coffee I may be able to go back and watch the Whittle Bill that I scrolled by. Hopefully I will hear the message and not just the whine.

    That Wunderland is amazing. Styx’s Too Much Time on My Hands always runs in the back of my mind when I see that kind of stuff. My BIL is a model trainer. He’ll get a kick out of that.

    I am a persistent truther, Rutherford. You’re correct. People are in 2 courts on that subject. Once they ‘see the light’ and switch sides, it becomes obsessive. I don’t know any that have gone in the other direction. It’s like the first time a guy has sex. That becomes the be all and end all to your days. At least that is my experience. No turning back. Nothing’s the same. You know they say “the truth will set you free” and it does. But is doesn’t pertain to physical resrtaint.

  195. Happy Father’s Day everyone. It so much fun being a Dad, us fathers should buy our wives gifts on this day.

    Alfie, basically everyone I know who made the mistake of buying a modest house where I grew up lost 50 to 90 percent of the value of their home. My one buddy bought a house for 120 grand. Its worth 15. He is ensurfed. My sister in law bought for 170. Its worth 40. What’s really bad about a housing bust is how much it impedes social mobility. My friends and family have to go bankrupt in order to move and escape crime, bad schools or get a better job sokewhere else.

  196. The worst thing about it is the modest houses in the working class neighborhoods took the worst hit. The people who showed the most restraint in buying a home got fucked bad. There has been a little bounce back in the upper middle class areas around here. Not in my old hood. The icing on the cake? Blacks are moving in. And, sadly, we all know what happens when blacks move into distressed neighborhoods.

  197. Poolman should send pfessor a hundred bucks for the free class he was given. But, poolman would have to quit his little club. Fantasy over. He wouldn’t be exclusive or special anymore.

    The guy ignored everything pfessor plainly explained so that even us members of the moron club could understand.

    Poor poolman. Too many daddy issues. Too scary for him to admit Nanny couldn’t protect him on Spetember 11. Much better to have an evil daddy then no daddy at all. Plus, he gets to be in a club.

  198. Great “on the ground” insight there dead rabbit thank you. You do bring forth a picture I’m familiar with especially regards blacks and other minorities. It is a story of cycles. Especially in areas where the minorities are not true owners,where government is involved with either “ownership” or rent or where its a private rental issue the area tends to spiral down.
    Ironically one of the “cures” for this cycle is, depending where you stand in it, kind of a curse too: Gentrification.
    I brought this subject up for two reasons:
    I personally dread a truther video homage onslaught.
    As a homeowner, father, taxpayer, investor,history nut etc. I think I’m seeing something roll out here and I’m wondering if I need a seatbelt,a parachute or a visa to Canada.

  199. Happy Fathers’ Day everyone, and happy belated birthdays.

    Poolman, you are afflicted with “immigrant syndrome.” Local Mexican, immigrants feel the same as you do, only they are high on America. They also tend to work harder than the natives.

    One compromise for life in a depressed area is to keep the house and family at home while someone moves to where the jobs are. Several Mexican families maintain middle class lives at home while family members migrate up here for summer work.

    Icelandic people did the same near Winnipeg.

    Its too bad you aren’t closer to Williiston, North Dakota.

    dead rabbit, though, the black comment sounds racist, I know you mean it economicaly. Middle class blacks also engage in flight.

  200. I’m dreading going to those cartoon movies. I can’t stand even the good ones.

    Two things to cheer you up Rabbit. Some of the “good ones” really are good and provide some good laughs for the adults while the kids get it on a whole different level. Such was the case with “Pirates” which I took my daughter to see. I was completely and surprisingly entertained.

    Second, from what I am perceiving, no one and I mean no one goes to the movies anymore. I don’t know how these theaters stay in business. We went to see Madagascar 3 in only its second week of release and the theater was mostly empty. So the bright side is that you, Bronson, and Leo get essentially a private screening on a big friggin screen.

    It’s all good!!! :-)

  201. I don’t know how these theaters stay in business.
    Friggin’ $30 hits at the concession stand is my guess.
    Interesting turn regards theaters in my area and most likely everyone else’s. We’ve recently had an uptick in new cinemas being built which include a section devoted to live shows. The NA variant around here are Showcase Cinemas with the section mentioned being called Showcase Live. These new places also offer at least one theater where they have awesome seats,no kids and wait staff.
    Innovation at work?

  202. Just buy the video for those animated movies. The kids want to see them over and over and over. Then they have it memorized. Watch it yourself too. They are filled with indoctrination. Some good, some…

    Developing minds want to know. Raising our kids is THE most important thing we have somehow left on back burner. It should be everyone’s individual number one priority.

    I know we are quick to rag on bad behavior. I guarantee it would improve if we trained our offspring better attended. Priorities.

    The mental part of sex, rabbit. Not the feel, not the grind. :roll:

    Okay, since you’re a touchie-feelie sex-on-the-brain sort… like riding a bike or swimming. Once you figure it out, you can always figure it out. A new level of knowledge. Climbing a ridge and getting a greater perspective. That is the gist. It is also like Pandora’s box. That isn’t meant sexually either, BTW.

    PFesser did not prove any point that I presented. I can still find all the pieces parts in his video, even though greatly distorted. Not so in mine. No pile driver existed either to smash said aluminum tonnage. This is how ‘we’ do things when we are interested in truth.

    Of course, we got Rummy doing a Freudian on that one.

  203. Rodney King seemed like a decent man who suffered some bad breaks, but since I didn’t know him, I don’t have any strong feelings. I feel sad for his fiance and family.

    Our daughter’s college room mate’s small son drowned in a pool and the funeral was yesterday. Father’s Day will torment his parents for the rest of their lives.

  204. That scripted German narration is really creepy.I was waiting for the “extermination” section or something.

    LOL my heart really does go out to the modern day German. His country really screwed the pooch in the Nazi days and they may never live it down.

  205. That is sad, James. Waterproof these kids! Most of this planet is water. Too many drown. If you dunk them real early they figure it out. Hell, the first 9 months is entirely underwater. It’s a natural.

  206. Neighborhoods across the nation experience the dump and run thing Tex talks of and historically the response has been a grueling nightmare in many places.

    One of the reasons I was so thankful to sell my house was that if it got foreclosed, I would have been the first foreclosure in the neighborhood and they would have hated me for it. Would have sunk property values all over the place. I probably sold at a lower price than the neighbors would have liked but at least it didn’t get foreclosed.

  207. Maybe I’m just having a bad day but I watched Mitt Romney talk to Bob Schieffer and David Plouffe talk to David Gregory and I thought “what a f*cking joke”. It doesn’t matter who wins in November. DC is run by whoever pays the most to get their agenda passed. No POTUS election is gonna change that.

    If this mood keeps up, I’m gonna change this blog to a TV review blog and give up on politics altogether. :-(

  208. Isn’t the fact that GM is finally pushing leases for the Chevy Volt indicative to how effed up the corporation is to its core?

    I’m not sure why. Given that a car loses 50% of its value the minute you drive it off the lot, there are many folks who prefer leasing vehicles.

  209. Regarding Alfie’s question on “flight”, let’s face it … I am an example. The economics of Connecticut became too hostile to my family’s survival. We had to find a cheaper place to live.

  210. Blacks are moving in. And, sadly, we all know what happens when blacks move into distressed neighborhoods.

    I won’t address the consequences of the influx but Rabbit you do know why it’s happening right? With the housing prices so low, this is many black’s only shot at “the American dream” of owning a home.

  211. Middle class blacks also engage in flight.

    100% right James. Things are more often economic than strictly racial. When my black grandparents’ neighborhood started to go down hill in the early 70’s they got the f*ck out of there and moved way out on Long Island. I don’t think Rabbit was suggesting blacks can’t maintain a decent neighborhood … I think he was saying that poor folks moving just one rung up the ladder into a neighborhood no one else wants to live in, are facing tough days ahead.

  212. Rodney King R.I.P……Thoughts?

    Rodney King is an example of where we must separate the character of the victim from what happened to him. Sometimes bad things happen to not so nice people and it doesn’t make the bad thing any better.

    To drive the point home in a much more blunt way … do you think every kid that got molested by Jerry Sandusky was a sweet little boy? If statistics say anything I bet you at least one of them was a nasty foul motherf*cker on his way to being an adult motherf*cker. Does it make Sandusky’s reprehensible behavior any better? No it doesn’t.

    I suspect there are those who comforted themselves back in the day by saying “King deserved a whuppin'”. I have to disagree. The only time the character of a victim has any relevance is when that character leads us to believe the victim directly caused their attack. That is exactly why the Trayvon Martin case is not cut and dry. We don’t know based on Trayvon’s character as represented on Facebook and Twitter, whether he gave Z reasonable cause to fear for his life.

    Sorry … Alfie I probably gave you way more than you were looking for.

  213. James, just the thought of drowning has kept us from buying homes with pools in the backyard. We have a community pool here and the kid never goes there unattended by either me or my wife … mostly my wife since I can’t do sh*t if she actually started drowning.

  214. Poolman you never did answer my question. If a rocket hit the Pentagon, where did Flight 77 go? Was it diverted to a FEMA camp somewhere on the West coast where the passengers are being kept prisoner?

  215. People can drown in a shower, Rutherford. Alcohol is legal and we are told to use it responsibly, but that is a vague warning. Of course we don’t know all the details and may never truly know. It’s still a shame for any life to be cut short. At my age I think that is short. There were two other people beaten at the same time that we don’t hear much about, but Rodney King became a household name.

    Tiring of politics? Here’s what politics boils down to. It is the same ol’ control freaks.

    I think that most of the population of the United States (aka Disneyland) has been duped into thinking that somehow the Hitler or Stalin personalities of the world no longer exist! That somehow they just disappeared from the earth after World War 2, or more importantly, if they exist they are in some remote African country or Middle Eastern nation that just conveniently happens to have oil!

    http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2012/06/14/remember-the-words-of-joseph-stalin/

  216. Regarding 262, of course we don’t have the Trayvon/Zimmerman confrontation on video tape. It was the tale of the tape that spoke volumes with Rodney King.

  217. If a rocket hit the Pentagon, where did Flight 77 go? Was it diverted to a FEMA camp somewhere on the West coast where the passengers are being kept prisoner?

    Maybe if the Pentagon would release the over 200 camera recordings that they have from that incident it would be clearer. I don’t know. Some witnesses say the plane flew over the Pentagon. Either way, the documented flight path was unusual and impressive, if not impossible at the suggested speeds and elevations given the aircraft.

    I tell you it was a day of miracles. One in which the PTB had all the answers even before you thought to ask. The was never an equal in the history of this nation in those respects.

  218. Some witnesses say the plane flew over the Pentagon.

    And landed where? Truthers demand answers to their questions but don’t provide any logical answer to any alternative scenario. We know for a fact that four flights took off that day and never met their intended destination and their passengers and flight crew have never been heard from again. And your answer is that Flight 77 flew over the Pentagon?

    Honestly Poolman I don’t mean to pile on on Father’s Day but the reason you meet such resistance on this board is that the alternative to the “official story” is utterly preposterous. Some here find you traitorous for your pursuit of an alternative answer. I don’t. But I do wonder how you can suspend proper scientific inquiry, suggest a rocket hit the Pentagon and then provide NO sensible answer as to what happened to Flight 77.

  219. Preposterous? Compared to the official version that hasn’t changed since reported that same day? I think that ludicrous. I find the official version unsubstantiated and still unproven.

    Here’s some research by someone who was there from the get go and has more time into it than I do. Read this and see how vague you still think evidence against the narrative really is.

    http://digwithin.net/2012/06/15/from-renovation-to-revolution-was-the-pentagon-attacked-from-within/

  220. @256
    My point regards leasing Volts and GM is a bit wordy,please accept my apologies.
    Anyway under NO circumstances does a Volt of the all electric Nissan Leaf exist as a truly cost effective vehicle. I’m talking with all the tax incentives and everything. Either one you will need to own beyond the time most Americans keep a car and you will be right up against the dreaded battery change which will definitely blow any savings away @5-7k.
    So my knock against GM is that for commercial reasons and environmental impact and all the reasons one is supposed to embrace electric cars leases are the way to do it and GM is just getting to it now after Volt failed.

  221. Rutherford get off pool mans ass.
    Me and my friends worked really hard scattering false American Airline specific rubble and parts all over the interior rings of the Pentagon. Fuck we dropped that big piece on the lawn too.
    The DNA tests for identification that covered just over 180 of the 189 dead was a real bitch.
    My brother in law works as a waiter at the private island resort we house the “martyrs” on.

  222. I always felt members of the LAPD clearly crossed a line that night and I imagine Kings life was a hell in many ways. I’ve known of cases where folks buckled under far less media and community exposure.
    I floated the question because I saw the report on BBC and it moved me to ponder. Before today I hadn’t given the whole thing much thought,the news of his death sparked some thoughts and memories.

  223. addendum to 277 in a poker style thing to Rutherfords 262/267 combo.
    You know another tie in to present times is that the LAPD/LA riots fallout helped spawn Eric Holders career. He oversaw the pogrom that shackled the LAPD for a decade and cost the LA and California much money and safety.
    Now DoJ is guilty of all that is Fast and Furious and is sketchy at best on todays race issue,Martin-Zimmerman.
    Might call it a stretch but I think from the public serb=vant character angle and public service there’s a little smoke and more so proof we don’t learn too well.

  224. Poolman is the price we all pay for freedom. He’s a shit sandwhich we all have to eat. Still would be great to donkey punch him. But, I guess for love of country we have to deal with the coward.

    The funny thing is the piece of garbage thinks he is some sort of gad fly, provoking us to dig deeper. His hubris is almost as hard to take as his lies. Scum on the ass crack of a rat. I got dibs on him if the zombie apocalypse ever hits.

  225. Coming home today down the highway, I saw not one but two pictures on the back with that character (is it South Park?) pissing on….

    The name Obama.

    Both had OK license tags and these were nice, newer SUV vehicles too. Each with various state college stickers on the back window, so I am going to assume the couples were college educated.

    Now I am sure Mr. Rutherford would like to believe I got a big hoot out of that but the fact of the matter was, I found it juvenile, offensive and in really poor taste.

    Nobody wants Obama booted from office more than I do – but a window sticker like this is exactly why I begin to turn so adamantly against the Left – their vile nature advertised for everyone to see, including children.

    Really pitiful. You’re right, Rutherford. There are some unsavory characters on the right too. Not nearly as many IMO as who you root for, but they are out there.

  226. Rutherford –

    re: swimming. I never learned until I was in med school – 25 years old. Learning as an adult is a bitch; you just can’t separate your fear of the water out and relax enough to learn. I even took a swimming course in college as a phys ed class but still didn’t learn. Several years later, my med school classmate and I took a small sailboat out on the lake (stoned). I was outside the boat in the water and a big puff of wind came from nowhere and blew the boat down the lake and turned it over. Had to “swim” (thrash) for shore. Came so very close to drowning…after that, I said fuck this, and went to the university natatorium every day until I could swim a mile. Really scary. If you can’t swim, I really recommend taking care of that demon; it will bother you forever and ruin any fun you have in the water.

    re: Rodney King. I’m sure he was no saint, but that is a separate issue. You can’t gang up on somebody and beat hell out of them, not only EVEN if you are the police – ESPECIALLY if you are the police. That is precisely the kind of stuff the Rule of Law is supposed to prevent.

    re: “People can drown in the shower.” No they can’t.

    re: electric cars. My old mentor, whom I visited last week, has made beaucoups of money by inventing medical devices. His reward was to buy himself a Tesla. (He also took a Bondurant race-driving course a couple of years ago and drives through Lafayette, LA traffic like a race-car driver.) That car is f’in amazing. No power steering. Rides like a flat-bed wagon, but I have never experienced acceleration like that! Guys stop him on the street and ask what kind of car it is. What a pussy-magnet, too! He’s done OK for a short, hairy 65 year-old obnoxious Jewish guy. Looks like Poppa Smurf, but hasn’t held him back a bit. Now, if I can just rub some of that off on me…LOL.

  227. How did you guys get out of middle school without learning to swim? I can remember our phys. ed. classes in middle school required us to swim laps in a 25 yard pool.

    I figured that was pretty standard curriculum around the nation back in the 60s and 70s.

    Rutherford, you of all people should swim. It would be great exercise for you and your scoliosis.

  228. Teslas are pretty sweet but the company has a history of cranking its consumers and the car is big $$$$$$$.
    Its a novelty that proves e cars can run impressively and the Tesla perhaps would maintain its value secondary to rarity/collectible status.
    I also imagine that if you’re a person who can afford a Tesla in the first place you can probably swallow the replacement battery cost down the road just like Lambo and Ferrari drivers do.

  229. Poolman and Rutherford, Our daughter was always afraid of water. She dropped out of swimming classes at age six during the first summer. She didn’t learn to swim until she reached high school and college. Our son was able to swim and enjoyed the water by his first summer of class.

    Her former college room mate’s family tragedy prompted our daughter to tell us why she had feared water. Our son told her there was no problem going under water. Just hold her breath and put her hand over her nose. He forgot to tell her to close her mouth. Our daughter nearly drowned. Details will get you.

    North Omaha is a violent and economically depressed mostly black neighborhood. Some of its leaders have criticized formerly black residents who have fled after making it. As far as I’m concerned, such people are not obligated to stay in a bad neighborhood.

    A Hispanic community in a town fifty miles away wants to live the American dream. Some of the originals advise newcomers on how it will be. They will maintain their homes whether they rent or own. They will mow their lawns. They will attend community meetings, and they will pay attention to children. If their children People who break the rules are ostracised.

  230. Hang on.

    I skip over most of Poolman’s cliche-laden posts and videos.

    Poolman, are you saying that planes never struck the towers?

    I work with someone that had in office in the WTC, stood on the sodewalk as people jumped, and watched the planes strike.

    My brother lives in Brooklyn and could see it happen from his apt.

    Are tseriously sayuing they’re lying?

  231. Our small school never taught swimming. If you learned it was at the closest swimming pool, or our parents dropped us in a lake. Eleven were in my graduating class. There was no money for swimming or football.

    Our daughter’s friend and her husband took their surviving daughter to the swimming pool yesterday, a day after the funeral, so she won’t fear the water because her brother drowned.

  232. The Today Show video was a mess of confusion in the first hour or so. Al Roker said many people in New York didn’t know what was happening because a television tower was on one of the towers. The hosts got much of their information from callers.

    A woman was being interviewed as the second plain struck. Matt Laurer told her the plane looked smaller than an air liner, but she said it was huge. They played the tape and Matt agreed what he had seen was an observation plane.

    A man stuck in traffic said debris were falling from the sky. Then an airplane tire hit a car ahead of him. He thought it had injured someone.

    After the second plane hit, Matt said the tower looked as if it was leaning a bit, but that he was probably wrong. Someone told him he was right. The tower was leaning. Then, they discussed how the towers were not designed to withstand hits by airliners.

  233. Believe it or not, I was a swim champion at the local Y when I was a kid. I kept winning and they kept raising the age of my opponents. They started picking on me in the locker room. When I pointed out how I beat them in the pool I got my first and last ass kicking while I was butt naked. I quit that day.

    I have huge lungs and amaze people to this day with my feats under water. Basically I’m motherfucken Aqua Man. Yet, I have developed a phobia of childeren drowning. I can’t go anywhere they are swimming without intense anxiety. I’m a life guard at all times. It’s miserable. Wtf is wrong with me?

  234. Poolman, honestly. If you really believe the things you post here, you are suffering from a severe form of depression. You don’t need to tell us, but I am not kidding when I tell you that. Sorry about the open forum, as I would tell you this privately if I trusted you. I don’t. But anonymous posting is about as close as confidential as I can make it, so…

    If you’re not blowing smoke and are really convinced of these illusions you’ve created, you ought to seek some professional help. This is an ugly path you’re following with a pitiful ending. You deserve better because you don’t read a bad family guy, or a cruel SOB. But this slander of yours, holding your own in contempt is downright sinful, my man because your making a coarsened culture worse.

    We all suffer from “the blues”, myself included. But there’s a huge difference between feeling sad, lonely or frustrated, and being delusional attempting to hide the self loathing. The give away is about the continual behind the scenes happy speech and loose Christian flavor. Used to see it all the time in churches – and that’s no sin or cheap shot on church because that is partially what they are for. Any Christian worth his or her salt knows that.

    You know, God didn’t tell us Christians that because we mouth all the right words, He would make it easy for us. My personal experience has been just the opposite. It’s no weakness to admit there’s a problem and seek help. It is a weakness and purely selfish against those you love if you don’t.

  235. I can’t go anywhere they are swimming without intense anxiety. I’m a life guard at all times. It’s miserable. Wtf is wrong with me?

    Nothing. Unless being a caring parent and responsible parent is a fault. I used to be the same way, until I found as I’ve matured and swim maybe twice a year off the back of a boat, I now sink like a stone instead of floating like a raft, as I recently discovered in about a hundred feet of Pacific water off the coast of the Big Island of Hawaii.

    When they finally dragged me back into the boat, because about five minutes swimming against the ocean current was all the “float and swim” I had in me even with flippers, in between about puking salt water, I scanned the water for my wife and kids, hundreds of feet from the boat.

    And I sat there paranoid until they stood on board with me.

  236. Its like eating potato chips Pfessor. Its hard to stop until they are gone.

    I am not a swimmer. I could probably paddle enough to save my life but that is about it. Ironically, I worked on a river to help pay my college bills. We did a lot of work in a boat, and I occasionally stood in water up to my neck. I tripped one time. It should have scared me, but I never feared water.

    My wife and I watched our children every minute that they were in the water. If they had gotten in trouble, my wife would have swum to them. I would have walked across the pool.

  237. PFesser, over the years I have heard of people drowning in the shower. Maybe rare, but never say never. Here’s one example:

    http://tech.mit.edu/V117/N45/accident.45n.html

    I never said that there were no planes that crashed. I pointed out the lack of plane parts at the Pentagon, whether in the lawn or at the actual building. News reporters on that day even made the same observation.

    I did claim it was magical how they penetrated steel and concrete buildings as if they were butter.

    Your 287 link shows plane parts from WTC NY, not from the Pentagon or Shanksville. I never denied parts at WTC. (Though building seven still, not addressed, no plane or parts there.

    Shanksville is a different story, debris field was eight miles long for that one. Most likely shot down, as Roemer Freudian slipped and a pilot is on record being awarded a medal for.

    But we all know the government always gives us the straight skinny and doesn’t alter the narrative after-the-fact. Everyone basically stayed on script since. And of course, it’s criminal to even question these things. Our founder’s would be so proud. :roll:

  238. OT –

    I have been a big fan of the Leslie speaker since I was a kid. There is no sound like them. Here is a great vid of its history. Kind of specialized info and maybe not that interesting in general, but if you are a fan of the Hammond B3 organ or especially artists like Steve Winwood who use them, this is a pretty cool story.

  239. I was at that swim party last weekend and there was a gal from Alamogordo NM whose husband was AF. She had 3 boys, one still in diapers. The two older ones were constantly in and out of the pool, getting braver with each new jump.

    I had been in earlier, but had gotten out and was dried and by the pool watching the kids playing.

    As I was standing there, one her boys jumped in the water in front of me without his ‘floaties’ on his arms. As he bobbed back up I said ‘You okay with no floaties?’ He bobbed back underwater and was starting to panic, not able to keep his face above water.

    I put my drink down and jumped in and held him above the water as he sputtered and choked, trying to expel the water from his lungs. He must have swallowed a good amount. I handed him out to his mom who was very grateful.

    Then I took my key fab and wallet out of my pockets, and took shoes off to let them dry. 20 minutes later he was back in, this time with his floaties.

  240. PF, you’re feeding the monster. :lol:

    So we shot down a plane that we sent up to crash into the WH and decided on something different for the Pentagon despite having 3 others sent to their targets. Logical. :roll:

  241. PF, I guess I’m a bit thick. Is the Leslie a speaker (like I’d hook up to my stereo system) or an amplifier (like I’d hook up to an electric guitar)? Is it used only with an organ?

  242. Re 304, I never said a missile could not penetrate concrete, PFesser. I don’t think a commercial jet resembles a missile in it’s makeup. I don’t see how an aircraft alone of that size or makeup could create this effect. Isn’t the fuel storage in the wings?

  243. The Leslie can be hooked up to anything. You need a separate switch on your organ (not THAT organ) to make it revolve to get the “Leslie” sound. Probably not that useful for playing already-recorded music, but phenomenal for *recording* same.

  244. So we shot down a plane that we sent up to crash into the WH and decided on something different for the Pentagon despite having 3 others sent to their targets. Logical.

    That’s gonna have me chuckling for the rest of the day.

    The only question I have about the Shanksville plane (and only because I’m very skeptical of “hero stories”) is did the dudes truly decide to crash the plane to save the White House or did they believe they might be able to fly the thing if they just incapacitated the hijackers?

  245. Naw, Rutherford. They were trying to wrest control from the erstwhile pilot, but unfortunately they were very low and going very fast. Only takes a half-second to put it in the ground under those circumstances. It is very likely that any pilot could put it on the ground safely, if not elegantly, once they get control. You have hours of fuel on board to practice with before you set her down. Go to a military base with 3-mile long runways 200′ wide and Bob’s your uncle.

  246. Logical.

    If logic was the criterion, this would already be solved and the evidence would be public and provide support to the official claim rather than destroyed, covered, or still classified. Like a real investigation ala Columbia or Challenger.

    This is one of the news clips regarding the discovery of a second debris field miles from the crash site in Shanksville.

  247. Poolman. You’ve been vanquished. These guys actually took the time out of their day to give you everything you need to leave your little cult. Go back to ripping on banksters and using the word Ponzi in ways I’m not sure you even understand. You might find a broken clock stuck on midnight at 12 am.

    You got the conspiracy itch? MF Global. Have at it. There are conspiracies out there. But they are for grown ups. They aren’t bad movies staring Steven Siegal. They are often times dry. Their complexity is not in the conspiracy itself but hard to comprehend finacial instruments. Grow up.

  248. Rutherford, i read some accounts based on the recordings. Several passengers heard through phone conversations that other planes had crashed into buildings. They realized it was their fate too.

    One of the passengers was a pilot, and he thought he could fly the plane. Little independent groups plotted a take -over and managed because they outnumbered their guards. They made a plan, and carried it out after they took a vote and prayed. .

    At least one flight attendant threw boiling water at a terrorist, and they charged the cockpit with a food cart. They slammed into the door as the terrorists in the cockpit held it closed.

    The passengers repeatedly rammed the cockpit door. Sounds of physical confrontations were audible on a recovered tape. The hijacker pilot tipped the plane from side to side to knock the passengers off balance.

    When the passengers began to break through, expletives and sounds of a struggle were louder. The hijackers opted to end it with a crash.

    If you believe the passenger’s main motivation was to save the White House or other target, they I don’t believe they were heroes. I am extrapolating from my own experiences, so I could be wrong.My situation was not of the severity of the passengers. I was so desperate and terrified that I was emotionally numb. Only one thing mattered, my own survival.

    I believe the passengers wanted to live, and anything else was incidental. They entered a new plane of existence.

  249. Tex – I have always been fascinated by the rocket sleds. You have any idea how they keep those sumbitches on the track? I mean, hell, a couple of hundred mph is all you can get out of even a fast train on a track. Does this mean they could potentially go supersonic? Maybe it is that the track is straight. Enquiring minds want to know…James, you have military experience – any ideas?

  250. There was a commercial airline crash this month into a residential building in Nigeria. Not a reinforced bomb and crash proof building like the Pentagon. The housing was demolished and burned, but the plane did not disintegrate.

    Though somewhat gruesome, it provides an accurate picture of what it really looks like when a plane crashes into a ‘normal’ building. The thing exploded and did cause quite a bit of building damage. But the tail and wings are still there. Other clips show the fuselage.

  251. From what I have read, there is explicit documentation showing Corzine (Obama best friend for ever) was aware of customer accounts being raided. 800 million dollars plus of customer accounts wiped out. One of the big banks has this money and had to of known they were counter party to outright theft. This wasn’t money lost to a Bernie Madoff investment scheme. This was a broker stealing money from client accounts. Lots of it. This story should be huge. Corzine should hang. The ramifications and lack of consequence of this should put a chill down the spine of everyone who uses a broker.

  252. Wow, much here.

    Muffy, what does you roller derby outfit look like? Red leather? ;)

    Poolman, your description of the pool party makes me think you are in the vicinity of Roswell. Could explain a lot. :)

    If the RL blog was a western, me and Elizabeth Warren would be outside filling your wagons with whiskey and guns and headed for the hills while you were busy showing each other who was toughest.

    Pf, after your comments about the ultra-light and your tutoring of the aqua engineer, I’m starting to form an image of you as a cross between Robert Gover and … Leonardo da Vinci. :)

  253. Thor – don’t know about the da Vinci thing; appreciate it though. It is just that when I was young I had more stones – mostly in my head.

  254. What’s amazing is that Wiener Circle actually exists. I’d never heard of it. And no I won’t be visiting there. It’s one thing to get poor customer service by happenstance. It’s something else entirely to go looking for it.

    I think the topper was “Oh no you didn’t …. wash your ass today.”

  255. Kind of funny Obama said it was unreasonable to say he was going to just come in and change immigration laws….that there was laws on the books he had to follow because we are a nation of laws. And then he signs an executive order bypassing our laws and congress. Doing the very thing he said he wouldnt do.

  256. R, it’s all in fun. The insulting staff thing as an old shtick. Wiener Circle just takes it down several notches becuase of the customers which are mostly late-night drunks. It’s a way to keep the crowds entertained. I get it and find it amusing.

  257. PF I have zero understanding of what constitutes legit release of evidence to the public. How can an impartial jury be empaneled when prejudicial information is made public?

  258. R and PF, they’ve charged Zimmerman’s wife with perjury now. If she’s been indicted, there’s no real secrets when it comes to the evidence.

    You’ll be surprised to learn that there’ll be no shortage of people that won’t have heard of the whole affair or not be disqualified. Happens all the time with high-profile case. There’s a bigger problem with the race-baiting douchebags you don’t have a problem with R. Now that’s prejudicial in every sense, including the one to prosecute. Why hasn’t that bothered you?

    R, you didn’t have a problem with all of the piecemeal shit about the incident when it came to Zimmerman.

  259. Of course he doesn’t have a problem with it. There are 3 sets of rules. One for the white guys…one for Republicans, and then the rules for everyone else. Remember, Zimmerman is a white Hispanic according to the media.

  260. I know this is probably wrong, but I can’t escape the idea that this couple is just caught up in the gears of a giant fucking machine. Here they were, young couple, trying to do the right thing, being law-abiding citizens – he studying law enforcement, she the doting wife. He tries to patrol the neighborhood and gets himself in a world of shit and now SHE is in a world of shit, too.

    None of this ever had to happen. A man is dead and these two in trouble, with seemingly everybody in the whole damned town trying to get a piece of their asses. A real tragedy all ’round. Jesus. Makes you sick. Reminds me of that old WWII poem:

    Round and round went the great fucking-wheel.
    In and out went the great prick of steel.
    Balls of brass, all loaded with cream,
    And the whole mechanism driven by steam.

    Make that “driven by the American ‘judicial'” system.

  261. There’s a bigger problem with the race-baiting douchebags you don’t have a problem with R. Now that’s prejudicial in every sense, including the one to prosecute. Why hasn’t that bothered you?

    R, you didn’t have a problem with all of the piecemeal shit about the incident when it came to Zimmerman.

    You kinda lost me on this one. If it’s possible to find jurors who know nothing about the case then they haven’t been tainted by the “race baiting douchebags” so what does that matter?

    And the piecemeal sh*t regarding Zimmerman is the very thing we’re discussing in these recent comments and I obviously do have a problem with it. I can assure you that defenders of Martin call the Twitter and Facebook trail highly prejudicial and piecemeal sh*t.

    Bottom line, this case is being tried in public. Not good for victim or assailant, however you might assign those roles.

    Putting aside the over-indictment of murder-2, Tigre you really don’t think Z should be prosecuted? He shot an unarmed man and for that reason alone should have to at least prove self defense in a court of law.

  262. There are 3 sets of rules. One for the white guys…one for Republicans, and then the rules for everyone else.

    Nah, you got your numbers wrong Noah. There are only two sets of rules. 99% of Republicans are white. So there’s one set of rules for Republicans (mostly white) and another set for everyone else. :-)

  263. Here they were, young couple, trying to do the right thing, being law-abiding citizens – he studying law enforcement, she the doting wife. He tries to patrol the neighborhood and gets himself in a world of shit and now SHE is in a world of shit, too.

    OK, now you’re making me sick. Neighborhood watch does not “patrol” the neighborhood. That’s where Z made his first mistake. Neighborhood watch is meant to be vigilant and report unusual activity when they see it … NOT go looking for it.

    The doting wife said she was broke when she wasn’t. I’d like to know why this money raised over the web site went to Z’s PayPal account. Why wasn’t some sort of fund set up by his attorney so the money was truly a legal defense fund and not a fund that could be used to buy a new wide screen TV once he gets acquitted?

    Bottom line PF, either everyone is a victim in this incident or no one is.

  264. I hope they nail the Zimmermans for everything they can pretrial to keep the natives titillated and pleased. Because unless they get some loaded jury, there’s no way in hell the man is going down on murder 2 and in the end, the race pimps are going to be smokin’ ass – deserved for the sorry bastards they are. They do anything more than shout at verdict, mow those bastards down.

    It’s a tragedy, no doubt. But there was a young, black thug who couldn’t back off a neighborhood pain in the ass, and lost his life over his thuggery. Burned him down for his behavior, and after what we’ve learned, I hold little sympathy.

    Rodney King was a scumbag too. Made him a multi-millionaire and he didn’t change a bit; drughead, thief and slug. More often than not, you can take the thug out of the hood, but you can’t take the hood out of the thug.

    As far as Trayvon™, you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

    Simple as that.

  265. R @338, my broader pioint was that you were relatively unaffected by the fairness of the MSNBC trial until you saw that you were being had. It wasn’t until you decided Martin wasn’t the angelic little boy, and in fact a pot smoking thug wannabe, that you decided there was a problem. So, my comment was more of a “what took you so long,” and “why haven’t you questioned your portrayal of Zimmerman (as opposed to Martin) and its effect on impartiality of the process?” You still seem to buy into one-half of the narrative.

    And no. I don’t think try people unless you are confident of a conviction. That’s not what’s happened here and prosecutorial discretion is important. It’s why the Duke lacrosse was such a perversion.

  266. Well Tex, you just refuted what I wrote earlier that in most cases the character of the victim doesn’t justify the crime. Once those cops had King there was no need to beat the crap out of him. They did it for sport. After you deal with enough Kings, they become animals to you and you lose your humanity … kinda like in a war zone. The cops should have been convicted and I fully understand all hell breaking loose when they weren’t.

    As for Trayvon …. God I don’t want to litigate that again in this thread. It’s real simple. There is no stand your ground defense because Z initially pursued Trayvon. So all we are left with is simple self defense. If Z can prove that he believed Trayvon was going to beat him to death, not merely give him an ass whuppin’, then Z deserves to go free. If not, he should be convicted of some lesser charge. I agree murder-2 is a bit much. It is clear as day that Z did NOT stalk down and kill Martin. There was a scuffle and the nature of that scuffle is what the entire case revolves around.

  267. Thanks R. That’s fopr the clown questioning where the aircraft parts are. The answer is they burned up. An aircraft hitting reinforced concrete at 400 knots is going to look very different than the same aircraft hitting a residential building.

  268. You still seem to buy into one-half of the narrative.

    If you actually track my long record of comments on this case you will find I have been very charitable to Zimmerman. I’ve never called him a racist and in fact completely testified to the ambiguity of the whole “coon” brouhaha. The worst I’ve said about him is he is a dangerous version of Barney Fife and I think the record supports that assessment. That doesn’t make him a cold blooded racist killer. It makes him a dangerous doofus.

  269. No problem G … Poolman’s logic totally escaped me on that one. He says a plane that hits a residential home stays mainly intact but then wonders why that same plane might be in much worse shape if it hit a building built to withstand a direct hit.

  270. “There is no stand your ground defense because Z initially pursued Trayvon.”

    I thought that was disputed. And if I’m right, it makes my point.

    We’ve got members of congress wearing hoodies, and the POTUS saying Martin could look like his son. I recall you defending that. What do';t you get about my comment?

    And the King riots were not about social justice. It was lawless rampage by animals looking for victims. Shit. Even King knew that and said as much not that long ago.

    There were something like 77 deaths from the riots. Call it what it was. Businesses were burned down, except for shoe stores that were looted then burned down, bricks thrown at peoples head to the delight of spectators. It deserves no dignity. It was an excuse to riot, not am act of social justice.

  271. R, I thought you bought into the whole “profiling” thing. I thought the negative attention was warranted becuase of the racist police department (still no proof of that here). You still say Zimmerman confronted Martin when there’s evidence that’s not the case. This is a politically motivated lynching and so far you have focused on the character of the alleged victim as the determinative factor for your determinations, not the accused. Do you not see that you’ve acted as a jury for the television trial only?

  272. Trayvon™ asked to be whacked the minute he jumped on Zimmerman and started slamming Zimmerman’s head to the ground.

    Those cops lost it on King. That’s for sure. Police brutality – no doubt.

    Of course, what you never see is what led up to that moment. You deal with rabid animals everyday, it has a tendency to jade you. King was a scumbag, which he repeatedly demonstrated after society made him a multimillionaire.

    As to your conviction that you fully understand all hell breaking loose, be careful what you wish for – that cuts both ways, and the next time some black group of thugs cuts loose on whitey, which is getting more and more common, I’m going to come back and remind you of the payback and how I fully understand too.

    Guess I don’t believe that justified pulling Reginald Denny out of his truck and braining him with bricks, or burning down Korean grocer’s stores. But then I don’t discriminate by color with no respect to thugs.

    So if by chance a few vigilante types decide to pay the ‘hood a visit, somebody dropping a cutter won’t be a problem, hey?

  273. “This is a politically motivated lynching and so far you have focused on the character of the alleged victim as the determinative factor, not the accused.”

  274. I’m curious R, are you going to write on this Obama Gay pride thing?

    The black community seemed pretty incensed over the gay marriage thing, but he has really come out in support of it. How will this affect him?

  275. I feel like King might have been in a bad relationship with alcohol. I don’t mean to state the obvious in that he was an alcoholic. I mean the kind of alcoholic that changes when he drinks. Like Jekyll & Hyde change. The Incredible Hulk. Someone who really can’t drink.

    I heard from time to time that he was trying to quit drinking (again.) I always hoped that he would.

    He actually seemed gentle to me. Not a wiseass like you might think, given his claim to fame.

  276. Yup, its the rascally right wing extremists that post the domestic threat to the country…

    (ProLifeCorner.com) – A large school bus, owned by Our Lady of the Sacred Heart Academy, that is well known throughout Rockford for its beautiful pro-life pictures and words asking people to “pray to end abortion”, was fire bombed on Friday night. The damage was extensive to the bus as windows were broken in on both sides and fire bombs were thrown inside to cause maximum damage.It has been speculated that this bombing of a pro-life Christian school bus is in retaliation for the closing of the Rockford abortion mill that is located not far from where the school bus was attacked.

  277. Do you not see that you’ve acted as a jury for the television trial only?

    The “television trial” is the only one I have access to.

    Why should I NOT believe that the black community of Sanford does not trust its police department? Is that just a media fabrication?

    There is no doubt that some sort of profiling was being done by Zimmerman, racial or not. Do you really think Z would have called the cops on a black kid in a cap and gown coming back from a graduation ceremony? Or a black kid wearing a suit? The “entire package” spelled trouble for Zimmerman and that’s why he called the cops and followed Martin. Only Zimmerman knows for sure whether a white kid in a hoodie would have spooked him as much as Martin did. But we live in a society where racial profiling exists so it’s not a huge logical jump to make.

    Also you say we don’t have evidence that Z “confronted” Martin. If I see someone following me, I consider that threatening and confrontational. We do KNOW that he was following Martin because he told the 911 operator that he was. We do NOT know if he stopped following him after the 911 operator told him not to.

  278. And dammit Tigre, now I’m doing exactly what I didn’t want to do which was litigate this stupid case again. At this point, I don’t really give a f*ck until the jury returns a verdict. It’s two idiots, one with the marginal excuse of youth, who deserved each other.

  279. Tex, you’ll never see me defend what happened to Denny. In fact, I don’t “defend” the riots. But it’s a lot like the old Chris Rock joke about a man hitting his woman — “I’m not saying he shoulda done it, but I understand.”

  280. (The Weiner’s Circle) Reminds me, there was a BBQ place near Seattle (Seattlites ever hear of Dixie’s in Bellevue?) – an outdoor place, very public, and they had this real mean woman that took the orders. Except it wasn’t that much of a shtick. She was just mean and it was just funny. Mostly impatience and attitude and eyerolls. I would practice my order in line. She was a big momma too. My first time I was so nervous I asked for no beans in my beans. (I meant beef). Everyone in line tensed up. But she let me off with an eyeroll.

    They used to call their hottest special sauce “The Man.” This older guy would walk around with it in a saucepan and try and ladle some of “the man” on your food if you’d let him. One of our party – not normally a show off – asked for an extra dab of the man without even tasting it first. I swear his glasses fogged up. Nothing gimmicky about the food though. Real good ‘que.

    ~

    If one of you guys can handle Thor I think I can take Elizabeth. I’m 1/32 Amazon. Now if she was 1/32 Comanche I might have a problem.

  281. The black community seemed pretty incensed over the gay marriage thing, but he has really come out in support of it. How will this affect him?

    From the awful leftist media spin to which I subscribe, I’ve heard that Obama’s statement is actually having an impact within the black community. It is expected that black support of gay marriage will change in coming polls.

  282. “But it’s a lot like the old Chris Rock joke about a man hitting his (pain-in-the-ass) woman — “I’m not saying he shoulda done it, but I understand.” “

    Yes, Rutherford. In fact it is exactly like saying that.

  283. 364 — Muffy do I discern the slightest bit of judgement in 364? ;-)

    Your restaurant comment of course reminds me of the Soup Nazi on “Seinfeld” who supposedly was based on a real person.

  284. This is really the point.

    We spend all kinds of time trying to ‘get’ a Trayvon-Zimmerman conspiracy, but no time on the biggest event of our lifetime. The story we were fed the day this epic event was unfolding is the same story we accept today. Parameters set. No question. No real scientific study.

    Absolutely zero transparency from the administration or the military.

    This was a controlled message from the get go. Compare to the OBL ever changing story.

    Real life would be reconstructing this entire event, piece by piece, cordoned off and recorded as a crime scene. We go through whatever it takes. We would prove it to all the accusers. We were a nation that was influenced by burdens of proof. Not so. Our government is supposed to be accountable to the people. It isn’t. National security my ass.

    Re 347… The building was supposed to be strong enough to withstand a hit. Why wasn’t an aluminum plane all over the outside of this thing? Really, the first images don’r show any plane parts outside. How did it get inside and penetrate 3 rings of an impenetrable structure? There was no pile driver, no rocket sled, just a commercial jet flying at break apart speed an inch above the grass. The building should have been coated in aluminum, if it were genuine.

  285. Re: #366. I don’t know, is there? (not being a smartass). I was writing a response to your “understandable” comment and that Chris Rock one popped in before I was finished. I read it and went, “yes, that’s what I’m trying to say.”

    Nothing personally about you I don’t think. But the riots are only “understandable” if you’re joking.

  286. “Tigre, regarding 351 and 352 did you like your comment so much that you’re quoting yourself?”

    I was correcting what I hurriedly wrote.

    And I love that you “assume” some facts, but others can’t be assumed. Pick one. The point is everything you’ve heard is bullshit, and all of your selective assesment are from the exact sameignorant source. Let me know when you’re ready to dispense shit for the Sharptons and your MSNBC crowd for the agenda-driven lynching. You would if you really cared about “fairness.”

    BTW, you stared it with an observation about leaked info and “fairness. I got sucked into Poolmans stupidity, so I thought I’d spread the love. :lol:

    Suffice it to say, the race-baiting agitators should be condemned, not given a free pass.

  287. There is no doubt that some sort of profiling was being done by Zimmerman, racial or not.

    Why shouldn’t every living American profile? Blacks commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime.

    I personally profile myself. I trust blacks less than any demographic in America as far as theft and violence, and my radar goes up dramatically when I see young blacks walking my streets and especially around my daughters and wife.

    We damn sure do profile. Six Imams dressed in flowing robe garb had better be raising the hairs on the neck of TSA agents standing next to the white Swedish grandma. The whole rejection of profiling demonstrates how fundamentally stupid leftists are.

    If that makes me racist, so be it. But anybody that doesn’t admit that is stupid, a liar, and mathematically/statistically challenged.

  288. I’ve heard that Obama’s statement is actually having an impact within the black community. It is expected that black support of gay marriage will change in coming polls.

    Surprise, surprise. This once again provides proof most of these black Protestant churches are nothing but a front for black racism, apartheid and completely unprincipled. Everything, including even the Word of God, is to be judged by color of skin. Straight out the gates of hell – there is nothing holy about their worship.

    Puke…sorry Rutherford. I’m not dancing around how truly racist most blacks are anymore. It even slips out from you occasionally.

    You and I need to admit the truth. You don’t trust whitey much. And I reciprocate by not trusting darkie much anymore. I’m not so fricking naive to not recognize about 75% of the blacks in America hate my guts based solely on the color of my skin and what they perceive from their cradle indoctrination my “unfair advantage” being born white.

    Maybe 20% for me based on trust factor, and it is usually predicated on politic unfortunately.

  289. “I’ve heard that Obama’s statement is actually having an impact within the black community. It is expected that black support of gay marriage will change in coming polls”.

    I’m calling bullshit on that.

    What’s your source?

  290. Re 347… The building was supposed to be strong enough to withstand a hit. Why wasn’t an aluminum plane all over the outside of this thing? Really, the first images don’r show any plane parts outside. How did it get inside and penetrate 3 rings of an impenetrable structure? There was no pile driver, no rocket sled, just a commercial jet flying at break apart speed an inch above the grass. The building should have been coated in aluminum, if it were genuine. – Piss Pot

    A fully loaded Boeing 757-223 weighs 220,000 lbs and hit the Pentagon going 460 knots.

    220,000 lbs is 220,000 lbs. Period. Doesn’t matter if it is highly enriched uranium or soda can aluminum.

    100,000 kilos x (237m/s x 237 m/s) = 5,616,900,000 Newtons, which = 1,262,729,348.8080866 lbs of force.

    Reinforced concrete is strong, but it isn’t THAT strong.

    Checkmate Fuck wad

  291. Ah yes. The post rutherford was scammed by MSNBC discussion. It’s like a ritual here. Always a couple months out from the controversy.

  292. I find it interesting that Rutherford doesnt care where the trillions of dollars comes from o pay for all his social programs, but wants every dime of he Zimmerman fund accounted for and spent properly. One set of standards over here….and another set of standards over there.

  293. Why am I not surprised…

    (Politico) MSNBC aired footage today that inaccurately portrayed Mitt Romney’s remarks at a campaign stop in Pennsylvania.

    Discussing how the public sector suffers from a lack of competition, Romney told the audience about an optometrist who wanted to change his address and subsequently received 33 pages of paperwork from the federal government, which begat a months-long bureaucratic nightmare during which the optometrist in question wasn’t receiving his checks. “That’s how government works,” Romney said.

    Then, to illustrate the advantages of competition in the private sector, Romney shared an anecdote from his visit to the local WaWa chain store. “I was at WaWas, I went in to order a sandwich. You press a little touchtone keypad – you touch this, touch this, go pay the cashier — there’s your sandwich. It’s amazing. People in the private sector have learned how to compete. It’s time to bring some competition to the federal government.”

    But in the MSNBC clip, which first aired on Andrea Mitchell Reports, Romney’s remarks begin with the WaWa anecdote and end at “It’s amazing,” an edit – first noted by conservative blogger Sooper Mexican — that makes it seem as though Romney was expressing amazement at the advent of touchtone screens.

  294. Tex, that was great. Fucking morons don’t even know what they are protesting. Sums up OWS to the tee.

  295. my favorite part…

    “and with more criminal prosecutions to its credit than normal citizens converted to the leftist cause.”

    ….guess I was right after all…

  296. I’m not so fricking naive to not recognize about 75% of the blacks in America hate my guts based solely on the color of my skin and what they perceive from their cradle indoctrination my “unfair advantage” being born white.

    You’ve been listening too much to Noah. 75% of blacks in America are just trying to survive and don’t give a damn about you.

    By the way, you’d all love the current topic in my sociology class: why is white IQ higher than black IQ. The answers even when they reject genetics still give me the willies.

  297. I’m calling bullshit on that.

    What’s your source?

    Honestly Tigre i don’t remember. Like I said, I heard it on one of my favorite sources of liberal propaganda. I just don’t recall which one.

  298. Noah, Zimmerman can buy three flat screen TV’s for all I care. I really don’t give a damn. I’m just saying all that money being moved around personal accounts was just begging for Z to get snagged and put back in jail. Things would have looked more on the up and up if the funds didn’t go to a personal PayPal account. His wife lying didn’t help either.

  299. I haven’t bothered to go through the exhaustive list of rapes, murders and beheadings attributed to the OWS movement but I strongly suspect “attributed” is the key word here. I’d bet dollars to donuts 90% of these crimes were incidental to OWS gatherings. I’d also like someone to document for me where in any OWS statement of philosophy or goals does it say “we advocate rape, murder and theft”. These bad actors should live in infamy for giving you partisans fodder to discredit a movement that has NOTHING to do with them. It’s a damn shame.

  300. I’ve seen all the pictures, except the ones that are still classified. I’ve watched the sequence of video and read all kinds of theories. No matter. I need real proof. It looks too suspicious and sure fixed a major accounting problem that was made public the day before.

    I want to see aluminum plastered either side of the entry point on the walls and the impact where the 2 jet engines penetrated following their path to their resting place. Plenty of film is being shot we haven’t seen. What’s with that?

    Of course not everyone is toeing the line. Here is one stubborn gal who was there and has tried to get real answers.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/after-911-woman-who-was-at-pentagon-remains-skeptical/2011/08/10/gIQAUtQDGK_story.html

  301. “There were something like 77 deaths from the riots. Call it what it was. Businesses were burned down, except for shoe stores that were looted then burned down, bricks thrown at peoples head to the delight of spectators. It deserves no dignity. It was an excuse to riot, not am act of social justice.”

    Perfectly said. I was describing the riots to a younger X-ray tech a couple of days ago and googled up the video of the fellow hitting trucker Reginald Denney in the head with a brick while he lay helpless on the ground and then doing a little victory dance. Fucking animals.

    Too bad they didn’t get hold of my (now dead) brother. Two (white, actually) drunk guys tried to accost him during a snowstorm on New Years’ eve several years ago as he was fueling his truck at a truck stop out on the road. After a little exchange, one of them said, “I think I’ll whip your ass.” John said, no I don’t think you will do that. When the guy came up to him to begin the process, John stuck the barrel of a .38 right between his eyes so hard it nearly knocked him down, leaving a round mark on his forehead.

    “Whoa there, man, I was just kidding!”

    “Then why don’t you laugh, you sonofabitch? The joke’s on you.”

    And the pair staggered off, holding each other up. Also fucking animals.

  302. “Correction to 359 Rock’s joke was about a man hitting his pain-in-the-ass woman.”

    Know what you say to a woman with two black eyes?

    Not a thing; you done told her twice…

    That’s a joke.

  303. “We damn sure do profile. Six Imams dressed in flowing robe garb had better be raising the hairs on the neck of TSA agents standing next to the white Swedish grandma”

    Sure. How silly to suggest we a)don’t profile, and b)shouldn’t. The jeweler’s antennae go up when a group of young black men come into his store, and not when a group of Chinese young men arrive because he knows that, if he is robbed, likely it will be by a group of young black men. That is just wariness borne of a lifetime of experience. It’s called, “good thinking.”

    Likewise, when I get on a plane with folks in stinkbeard garb, the first thing I do is mentally note where they are sitting and estimate how long it would take for me to cover the distance between them and me. I always carry a ball-point pen or two in my shirt pocket; believe me, let me drive that through your lamina papyracea into your frontal lobe and you are done fighting for the day.

    Fair? Probably not, but who cares? I’m planning for my own survival. Fuck ‘em, Bucky.

  304. Pfessor, I thought I was the only person who carried a ball point pen for dual reasons. I learned that a long time ago.

    Ball point pens are periforal to the 9/11 plane attacks in my opinion. Consider how tornadic winds will push straw intact into the side of a house or tree if the speed is great enough. Wouldn’t a plane, like a ball point pen do the same thing for a few seconds?

    I believe rioting blacks were especially angry at Koreans. Koreans know how to defend themselves. Many of them stood outside of their stores with guns.

    we attended an economic development meeting in Sioux City a month ago. A speaker showed how a form of gentrification can improve a neighborhood. He referred to historical development. Once a neighborhood is declared a historic preservation district and rules of home or business maintanance are imposed as a condition of receiving designation as a historic site tourists appear and spend money.

    European and American studies show that historic districts have fewer foreclosures and housing values are more stable than outside of historic preservation areas. Of course, the residents have to be motivated.

    I believe we have so many black race baiters because our politically correct society lets them. If 90% of whites voted for a white president, we would call them racists. The reverse isn’t true.

    Muffy, I think you are more than 1/32 Amazon.

  305. My first day working in the juvenile prisons I brought a ball point pen in. One of those shnazzy metal ones. I have no idea how I got it through security. It was stolen on that nervous rookie day and probably still serves as a shank somewhere.

  306. “The Sad Demise of the Occupy Movement” reinforces what several of us have written here. Democrats wasted their money on OWS.

    I posted the link to an article which shows how Obama, ACORN and others unwittingly helped damage the Chicago housing market. The artificially inflated housing bubble and later pollution of our economy with bad assets, some which were disguised as exotic financial assets mirrored what the Chicago people were doing on a local scale.

    The EC president told a Canadian reporter the EU doesn’t need Americans to lecture it on how to resolve its problems since unorthodox capitalistic practices in America caused their crisis. If Poolman can indulge in dark conspiracies, so can I. I believe the source of much of the distress we are feeling now belongs to liberal Democrats.

  307. James –

    When you get into velocities like 600mph, with the 220,000# aeroplane being driven by the engines at full bore until most of the airplane is inside the building (with both engines still supplying about 20 tonnes push each) – I don’t think our resident armchair critics – including me – can tell you what is really supposed to happen.

    I CAN tell you that IMHO all bets are off. These are areas of violent energy release that have never been explored in detail. Even military violence does not involve these kinds of parameters.

    re: Koreans. My cousin called me when the “Rodney King riots” were taking place. He never even said hello. “Are you watching television?” was all he said. I said yes. “Why do you think they are picking on the Koreans?” Jealousy, I replied. “Goddamned right! These people have lived here ten generations and turned that place into a shithole; the Koreans came in and didn’t even speak the language, and in ten years have thriving businesses in places nobody else even dared to walk.”

    Picking on the Koreans is a bad idea. One of my old partners was Korean and he was about 5’3″ and not afraid of the Devil himself. Don’t think for a minute those guns were for show.

  308. 75% of blacks in America are just trying to survive and don’t give a damn about you

    True, I’m sure. But they sure do like my “stuff.” Including the brothas who swiped my car.

  309. I always carry a ball-point pen or two in my shirt pocket; believe me, let me drive that through your lamina papyracea into your frontal lobe and you are done fighting for the day.

    :lol: Never let a radiologist pick the place to jab a pen into you, because you are for sure going down for the the count.

  310. “Never let a radiologist pick the place to jab a pen into you, because you are for sure going down for the the count.”

    I always tell my wife, “I know where all the nerve endings are,” – but that’s on a different topic…LOL

  311. If you guys don’t think blacks hate whites, I lay down a challenge to any white face here. I made this challenge to that insufferable Graychin, who knew exactly what I was talking about, and he pussied out after running his mouth. Big man, no act. :twisted:

    You come to Tulsa, I’ll take you to a place at dusk. You walk five miles North, unarmed. And if you make it unscathed, I will give you $500.00 and pay for your trip here and back. Because believe me, you will have earned it in fear. Couple of years ago, one black killed another black in front of the fried chicken shack which you will get to walk by after dark, and the patrons walked over the victim for three hours to get their fried chicken. Fucking animals is right. Cops won’t even go in there.

    That envy of “white privilege” is the truest form of hate. Because it is based on envy…

  312. You know, Pfesser. I never thought about it.

    A bumper sticker:

    Neurologists make the best lovers…. :twisted:

    And I consider radiologists the world’s best anatomists – so you would have to be right there with the neurologists.

    Let’s market it? Get your wife to use that internet marketing thing? :grin:

  313. Got to go fix a lamp and dripping faucet. Will be back to harass my favorite black brother later.

    By the way Brother Rutherford. I do admit a lot of that hate is based on poverty. But the poverty ain’t my fault.

  314. Tex –

    I have to tell you, I thought rads were the best anatomists, but I did a two-month mini-fellowship at Duke some time back, and got to work with the orthopedic surgeons. They get no respect and are the butt of a lot of jokes (“strong as a bull and twice as smart”), but these guys KNEW their anatomy better than anybody I have ever met, including ANY radiologist. HT and concession to the ‘pods, IMHO. Fine doctors who make a real difference in their patients’ lives.

  315. I just picked our first batch of peas.

    I vaguelly understand the Korean mentality because our daughter-in law is Korean. Back during the Vietnam War, the Viet
    Cong feared Koreans more than any other nationality, even when rumor said that Australians invented ear collecting. Fillipinos are no slouches either, as Marion Barry observed when he dumped on them. Our nephew is Fillipino.

    I know blacks in general hate whites, because they told me so. If I had endured what some of them did, I would have hated whites too.

    Five black men and I were friends in the service. We hung out together, and they accepted me as an honorary black. One of them said I was the only white man he trusted. Whites give them a pass because they feel guilty. I don’t feel guilt, and I don’t feel hatred because as Tex wrote it “ain’t my fault.”

    That bumper sticker idea is funny.

  316. “You’ve been listening too much to Noah. 75% of blacks in America are just trying to survive and don’t give a damn about you.”

    No, they dont give a dam, but they do blame us. Its a white thing, I dont expect you to understand.

    “You’ve been listening too much to Noah. 75% of blacks in America are just trying to survive and don’t give a damn about you.”

    Just what you need….more reasons to consider yourself a victim. Called that one.

    “Noah, Zimmerman can buy three flat screen TV’s for all I care. I really don’t give a damn. I’m just saying all that money being moved around personal accounts was just begging for Z to get snagged and put back in jail. Things would have looked more on the up and up if the funds didn’t go to a personal PayPal account. His wife lying didn’t help either.”

    You have given far more thought to the money of the white Hispanic Zommerman and what he did with it than you did the billions of wasted dollars by your Messiah’s administration to green energy companies and others…you leftists are always so concerned with what is in other people’s pocketbooks and what they do with it….just sayin.

  317. I haven’t bothered to go through the exhaustive list of rapes, murders and beheadings attributed to the OWS movement but I strongly suspect “attributed” is the key word here. I’d bet dollars to donuts 90% of these crimes were incidental to OWS gatherings.

    A defining difference between a leftist like yourself and a Conservative like me is I “bother” with facts before I make a statement like that. Your opinion is null and void until you can back up your claims. They happened at events, by people AT the events..IN the tent cities and such. If you cant be bothered to do your homework and back your claims with facts, then don’t expect anyone to accept your answer. Your imaginings, while making a semi interesting work of fiction, are of little consequence to anyone else.

  318. Best comment from the piece on the lost OWS hippie wannabes:

    “Then Gump stopped running and everyone went home.”

    That captures it perfectly.

    In some ways, it captures the Obama spirit too.

  319. Orthos are certainly good with what they work with, Pfesser. Those knee and hip replacement guys are machines (no pun intended).

    But believe it or not, the best anatomy student in my med class (100% average which had never been done at the school before) was (and you’re going to laugh):

    A chiropractor.

    He had been practicing about 10 years. Wasn’t making much money. Barely got into the program because his physical science MCAT score sucked – wasn’t worth a shit at biochemistry, especially the analytical part. Pure chemistry (electrostatic crap), he was clueless. Probably never met a valance electron he understood.

    But ask him a metacarpal, a cervix dermatome, a reflex? Child’s play. :grin: I sucked at anatomy, because my rote memorization skills have gone to shit, unless it’s numerical. I’ll bet a spent six hours trying to memorize posterior circumflex humoral artery.

    Good lawd, the chiropractor man knew his anatomy like nothing else. He pretty much tutored the rest of us when it came to the heart and CNS.

  320. I swear, Brother “R”. You’re like the kiss of death. :twisted:

    Remember when you lectured me for my idiocy about Russia and China just a couple of weeks ago on this very blog. My inner paranoia and how did you put it? Well, it escapes me at the moment. How I was concerned about Putin and you laughed at my lunacy?

    Syria, Iran, Russia and China plan joint war games, Iranian news agency reports

    What are you picking in the market right now, Rutherford? I got $70K that just turned over and has to be reinvested within 90 days, and whatever you pick, I’ll pick just the opposite and make a small fortune.

  321. I think it’s safe to say 75% of blacks are envious of whites and believe the man is holding them down. However, I don’t feel that those same blacks filled with envy for the cracker transfer this from the abstract to the individual. The racist old black man who rips on whitey at the barber shop probably gives Noah a fair shake.

    The problem with blacks is that they have a much larger savage minority within their community as both common sense and statistics clearly show. When I was complaining about blacks moving into my old stomping ground, I meant it.

    As for those black hoods in which we probably would get hurt or killed, the majority of people are not savage. Unfortunately hefty minority are. Particularly the childeren who have gone feral. It only takes two thugs to ruin 3 blocks.

  322. Feral children? I never thought of that. Guess that’s pretty true, but I would wager it’s a lot more than two thugs in a 3 block radius since 3/4 have no idea who daddy is. I know it probably pisses Rutherford off for me to be talking this way which is not my intent because Rutherford is a bud of sorts, but gots to be truthful. When the entire crowd is walking over a dead guy for three hours to get to their fried chicken (and it is good), that is a pretty good indication the entire neighborhood has gone to hell.

    But I could be wrong.

    All I know is by Rutherford’s definition of racism, I’m only half racist since Obama is only half black. :twisted:

  323. In response to that toupeed flunky Sam Donaldson’s slanderous charges…

    Some on the left have unleashed wild accusations that I harbor a primal animosity toward Obama’s shredding of the Constitution, or his opposition to the ideals of the American founding. They think I look at Obama’s membership in a European-style socialist party (about which he lied) or his close relationship with anti-American terrorist William Ayers (about which he lied) or his twenty year tutelage under the racist, anti-American preacher Jeremiah Wright (about which he almost certainly lied) or the several attempts at government encroachments so overweening that they have been struck down 9-0 by a normally divided Supreme Court — and see all that as evidence that this president is less committed to the American project than any leader of this continent since King George.

    Wrong! I’m just not down with this whole African-American business. I mean, the guy’s all, like, dark and stuff. What’s that about?

    Listen, I don’t mind black people in their proper place. I can accept someone like Thomas Sowell, say, as one of the greatest political philosophers of our time, or Congressman Allen West as a shining example of the best and bravest men this nation can produce. But when it comes to running an administration of incompetence, corruption, arrogance and ignorance, well, doggone it, I feel that’s a job for a white man! ~ Andrew Klavan
    :lol:

  324. Logical fallacy about the Rodney King riots. If the acquittal was an “excuse to riot” that implies a riot would have occurred for some other reason anyway. We know that is not true. The acquittal CAUSED the riot. Was the riot a civilized or even sensible response to the verdict? Of course not. But let’s not pretend that the riot was not sparked by injustice. The riot itself did not seek justice. It was a horrible waste of human destructive energy. But sorry gang … white guys got off for beating the sh*t out of a black guy for no good reason than they COULD and they didn’t think they’d get caught on tape. They got off, and black folks went off. Cause and effect. Don’t try to suggest otherwise.

    And to answer Muffy … I don’t condone what they did but I understand. No joke at all.

  325. “We know that is not true. The acquittal CAUSED the riot.”

    Bullshit.

    Imagine if OJ were found guilty.

    All that’s needed is an event.

    Zimmerman is another one with potential.

  326. Rutherford –

    “Logical fallacy about the Rodney King riots. If the acquittal was an “excuse to riot” that implies a riot would have occurred for some other reason anyway. We know that is not true. The acquittal CAUSED the riot.”

    Whoa, whoa, whoa there, Big Fella –

    If a rock is balanced on a needlepoint and someone breaks wind and blows it off, is the problem that he farted, or is it that the rock was ready to go anyway and ANYTHING would have started it down?

    I think the original is right, and the logical fallacy is yours. It’s exactly what we are seeing in the Martin case: let’s not wait for facts; let’s just boogie, and deal with the consequences later.

  327. Whoa, Egypt is going off again. Bad days ahead. All the while Syria not-so-quietly continues to slay its own children by the dozens.

    This old world is going through some changes. The big kind. Bigger than the United States. Pffft. It’s going to make the SCOTUS ruling on the HCR bill look like a paragraph in a textbook. Pack up the babies and grab the old ladies, and everyone goes.

    ~

    Say what you will, I don’t care. I don’t want some guy to ask for my vote and then complain for the next four years about how hard his job is.

  328. “If one of you guys can handle Thor I think I can take Elizabeth. I’m 1/32 Amazon. Now if she was 1/32 Comanche I might have a problem.” – Muffy

    Only one? You underestimate the power of the pacifist. :)

    Actually, I’m told I’m 1/32 Blackfoot, I guess that makes me your huckleberry.

    Is 1/32 enough to produce a middle finger? I should probably go in front of the mirror and flip the other 31/32 of my heritage off. ;)

  329. “The acquittal CAUSED the riot.”

    “Bullshit.”

    Of course it is (bullshit). The riots were nothing if not entirely regrettable.

    ~

    Gorilla I think Fuck wad is one word.

  330. Nagic, do you condemn Jesus and the New Testament because some with crosses hanging from their neck have tortured, slaughtered and raped? Or do you see them for what they are, a brutal perversion of an otherwise worthy cause?

  331. Why did that get bolded? (My remark to Gorilla). Weird. Oh, I left the b on.

    Re:OWS – The OWS demonstrators (most downtown demonstrations actually) use the street one block over from where I live, and I used to work on that that street. Washington. I see lots of marches, all the time. None of them have been a problem, just a nuisance for the commuters really. It’s tough walking against the tide to get to the train, that kind of thing. I know it did get out of hand in pockets and there was violence and a bunch of arrests in the Chicago OWS protests – it was on the nightly local news all the time – but I never saw anything but friendly neo-hippies. I’m really not sure what to make of the movement except that in my opinion it made hypocrites of a whole bunch of people who liked to refer to the tea party folks by a sexual pejorative.

    ~

    Oh! Blackfoot, Thor? For real? They’re badass.

  332. “Actually, I’m told I’m 1/32 Blackfoot, I guess that makes me your huckleberry.”

    You remind me of my Uncle Tracy’s cow. My older brother asked Tracy what kind of cow it was. Tracy, who was “bad to drink,” as we say in the mountains, replied: “Well, she’s half Jersey, she’s half Guernsey, and she’s half Poland-China. (Besides making a cow-and-a-half, Poland-China is a breed of hog!)

    “That’s a lot of cow, ain’t it, Tracy?”

    “Yep, and by God, she’s a good’un, too!”

  333. El Tigre you hit on exactly why the riots were all bad. Apart from the savage mindless brutality, that is no way to respond to a verdict that you don’t like. To intimidate future juries like that is punk. It’s either going to work (BAD) or backfire (BAD). Come on.

  334. “Or do you see them for what they are, a brutal perversion of an otherwise worthy cause?”

    How do you see the tea party, Thor?

    PF…you’re not…nah. Couldn’t be.

    PS…Rutherford can you close my b’s? Thx!

  335. I live in a multicultural neighborhood, maybe 40% white, 40% black, and 20% other. I rode the bus this morning and observed my profiling. Twenty three riders. Had any one of fourteen of them gotten up to get off at my stop I would have kicked into daytime self-preservation mode – which involves merely making sure the straps on my shoes are fastened tight and that my purse strap is crossed over to the other shoulder. Nighttime self-preservation is a little more dicey. In fact at night someone being able to easily steal my purse might very well be the best case scenario.

    One time I was on the L and I saw a man in a suit who had been reading get punched in the face because he tightened up his knees on his briefcase as 4 young loud buddies got on and passed his seat. A few minutes later I heard the guy sitting across from the suit say “heads up” and BAM! one of the boys hit the suit really hard as they passed him again to get off.

    No point. Just a story.

  336. Tex @ 411 sparked some interest so I went walkies in the inter webs and apparently Russia denies it pretty strongly.
    Russia and China held first ever naval exercises in the early spring but that was comprised of 16 Chinese Navy vessels and about 8 Russian Navy vessels. I’m gonna say Iran is up to causing some crazy talk/propaganda.
    However if you like foreign policy regards stock tips I’m thinking flirting with the BRIC’s is still a good idea. The news that is more newsworthy out of G20 in my opinion is the appearance of Putin getting the upper hand with giving up little.
    Russia is gonna get favored nation status trading rights plus pats on the backs power wise and in return they’ll alter only slightly their Syria stance and firm up on Iran.
    Feel that uncomfortable pushing on your backside Uncle Sam? That’s the Bear doing the wild thing on you.

  337. Nagic+-
    , do you condemn Jesus and the New Testament because some with crosses hanging from their neck have tortured, slaughtered and raped? Or do you see them for what they are, a brutal perversion of an otherwise worthy cause?

    First, I don’t make the often Leftist mistake (purposeful) of trying to apply today’s morality with yesterdays action. Looking back with today’s morality as your kind often does to have any chance of making a point, of course it looks bad. But we are a different people today than we were back then.

    Second, why would I condemn Jesus for anything? There is nothing I have read in his actions that would give me a moments pause. The actions of the people were in accordance of the times and our level of civilization.

    So I then have to ask the point of your question?

  338. “That’s a lot of cow, ain’t it, Tracy?”

    I’ve heard of giving 110% but never 150%. ;)

    On my Dad’s side it’s pretty cut and dry, a Danish and Norwegian split. But on Mom’s side, I’m a mutt. Basque, Welsh, German, more Dane and the aforementioned BF among others.

    Never heard of a Poland-China hog. Are those the ones that are half gray, half pink?

  339. I told Rutherford this four years ago on another blog. I stand by the statement.

    “I’m more afraid of what happens if Obama fails than I am of him succeeding…”

    Juries in. Obama epically failed; miserably failed; abjectly failed. It’s a disgrace and contemptible this race is even close. It shows just how misled this nation now is. Especially, the post racial bullshit that Obama and his crowd promised us. Not 90 days into Obama’s miserable first and hopefully last term, the race card was being pulled by MSNBC, Wapo, NYSlimes, and PuffHO.

    I stand by that statement above now more than ever. There will be trouble if Obama loses in a close one. And the blame will rest with the race hustlers and wigwams like Donaldson who have been making accusations of racism for 4 years now.

    If they’ll pull the race card stunt on Serial Bill and Hillary Rotten Clinton, you can be assured they’ll pull it on anyone.

  340. Anybody here besides me use Amazon much? I’ve had pretty good luck and the prices are decent, but on occasion, there shipment methods are a joke.

    I ordered a wall timer switch two weeks ago to turn on an outdoor light on at a selected time. It has worked well. So I order a second one last week. This one was cheaper and it came from a different Ohio source, same model.

    The tracking system said “in transit” before the afternoon I ordered was through and “left warehouse.” Their window for delivery is June 21 – July 9th.

    WTH? What are they delivering by? A Mars trip? Voyager?

  341. Tex, from personal observation, I think the race-bating when it comes to Obama is slowly but surely falling on deaf ears — even in the black community. I have heard more black acquaintances vocally expressing their disappointment in Obama. The gay announcement really through some of the comments over the edge.

    At the end of the day, the black community knows he hasn’t done anything for it — other than exploit and fan the flames of racial division for personal gain.

    The black community may not support Romney, but Obama has given it plenty of reason to stay home (a/k/a “not cover his back”).

  342. “Fair enough. I guess I was referring to R. Continue.”

    R only says that when he wants out of the discussion.

    He jumps back in to let us know he’s prejudged the case if it supports his version of “liberal justice.”

  343. I’ve got a black neighbor, good gal, who is aghast at how bad Obama has been, Tigre. We’ve walked the pooches together a few times. Of course, she’s more Conservative than I am so I have no idea how representative her feelings are of the black community. Probably, not very.

    I think you’re right. Obama’s game is political expediency. He couldn’t be a greeter at Walmart without a teleprompter. The guy is a total lightweight and fraud. Some of his basic tendencies I find downright fascist.

    I know politicians are for the most part narcissistic charlatans and self-aggrandizing megaphones, but good grief. Obama is a one trick pony. His empty speeches sound like the last four years never transpired. It’s the same empty rhetoric with a nastier twist.

    That hope and change baloney, though? It’s flew out the window. Now it’s divide and conquer. And I don’t think the message is flying in most circles. We shall see.

  344. Tex, everything at the moment appears to me to be “test messages,” including the claimed Biden-induced gay marriage announcement. Everything has gone splat becuase it is all intended to avoid his record — the one R and Thor find so outstanding. :lol: The silence is too deafening to ignore for most everyone, including his former supporters whose egos aren’t so invested in his re-election becuase of their 2008 delirium.

  345. “Oh! Blackfoot, Thor? For real? They’re badass.”

    They “were” badass. Kind of the assholes of the Northern Plains. Some say Chief Joseph “allowed” the capture of his people just short of the Canadian border because if they crossed they would of had to deal with the Blackfeet.

    But now they are just an empty, tragic shell of a culture. Anyone that has visited Browning knows what I mean.

  346. “…their shipment methods are a joke.”

    Tex, I use them, but only when I don’t need to rely on them. Like a kayak paddle in January, that kind of thing.

    I once tracked a package from Carol Stream, IL to Hoboken, NJ to Kansas City, MO back to IL (can’t recall the city) and it finally got to Chicago a week before it was thrown on the lobby floor under the mailboxes.

    But standing in line here is fun city on a Saturday.

  347. How do you see the tea party, Thor? – Muffy

    I think they started grass roots. I never attended a rally but they had fairly good attendance and coverage here at first. They spoke of cutting defense as well as entitlements. But soon they were co-opted and it became social cuts only. I think they have put up some horrific candidates, but at least they tried. I think some tea party people vote against their own best interest. “Get your gov’t hands off my medicare.”

    Despite 2010, I think Romney’s nomination shows the Tea Party still doesn’t run things, but the true test will be how many of their candidates are retained. I once posted a blurb that it was time for the TP to put up or shut up. I think they have yet to do either, legislatively.

    I think the best thing that could happen to this country would be if the Tea Party and OWS could combine forces to get money out of elections. Then we could have a true debate and, heaven forbid, actually solve some problems.

    I have enjoyed calling them “tea baggers”. Once I realized how truly offensive that was to some, I stopped doing that.

  348. Thor –

    Poland-China hog

    Never had those kind on the farm. Can’t remember what we had. I just remember that when we bought a pig in the spring, my dad always said, “Don’t name the pig; we’re going to eat him.” LOL

  349. LOL I hope Gorilla wasn’t disappointed when he called into the show today. Sandi needed to take the day off so she wasn’t around to get pissed at his call. :-)

  350. “First, I don’t make the often Leftist mistake (purposeful) of trying to apply today’s morality with yesterdays action. Looking back with today’s morality as your kind often does to have any chance of making a point, of course it looks bad.” – Nagic

    How far back am I looking? Is there a steaming pile of OWS on a cop car outside your window? There are certainly still cases of churches covering up pedophilia.

    “Second, why would I condemn Jesus for anything? There is nothing I have read in his actions that would give me a moments pause.” – N

    Exactly. His ideals are not tainted by the actions of others that associate themselves with him.

    “So I then have to ask the point of your question?” – N

    Because it easier and much more fun to watch you make my points for me. ;)

  351. Poland-China hog – PF

    Thanks for the picture. Stout. Lift those ears and sharpen that nose a little and you’d have the Akita I had years ago, curly tail and all.

    “Don’t name the pig; we’re going to eat him.” LOL

    I think he should have let you name them, appropriately, of course.
    Frank or Patty would do. :)

  352. I’ve visited Browning, Montana thor. You are right. The Lakota Sioux were also nothing to mess with. The Black Hills are their sacred land because they took it from the Kiowa.

    The Rosebud Reservation in South Dakota is no bed of roses either.

    I agree with some of what thor wrote. My wife and I attended some meetings. The opinions were quite diverse. Omaha had two competing Tea Parties. Their hostility toward each other was palitable.

    I think their influence has been greater than thor believes. Some of their candidates have been effective, but there are too few of them to do much more than obstruct policies.

    They have also produced some bad candidates. If they had made better choices, the Senate might be under Republican control or tied.

    As for money, we already know how the press attempted to make George Zimmerman into a racist who shot a pubescent boy. The Democrats’ and labor unions attempt to destroy Scott Walker is still fresh in our minds.

    Now MSNBC has edited tape at a Wawa restaurant to show Romney to be out of touch after the Obama unwittingly showed that he is. Money helps reveal a semblance of truth.

    We wouldn’t need all of that money if the press was honest and we were able to hear candidates’ true positions. But we can’t. Until the playing field is even, the money should flow. Right now, money is the best way the Republicans have to get their point across.

  353. sorry thor, i am sure you impressed yourself, but your message escaped me. If you happen to find it within yourself to articulate your own point rather than to try and score some booty points with Rutherford, you let me know.

  354. We live in a bizarre sci fi world where ordinary citizens get to have their own tv shows, radio shows, magazines, newspapers etc. A motherfucker can dance like a clown or a kid can complain about his buzz leaving the dentist office and become famous. All the while we are linked like a hive of wasps on social networking sites. I could grab a microphone, lift my right leg and fart resulting in a video gone viral on 5 million lap tops or cell phones. Our elections are not ruined because of money. They are ruined because we suck as a people. We have no excuses.

  355. Betsy’s page says that one of the women paid to heckle Romney is getting $7.25 per hour, but an unknown organization is paying a man $17.00 per hour. That’s bizarre. What is wrong with equal pay?

    We don’t suck any more than other people . We are only human. Its who we are.

  356. I’m saying if we can’t make democracy work now, despite each and everyone of us being equipped with a media reach that would have made NBC salvate under 20 years ago, we suck. I hear this crying about money all the time. Theoretically, it shouldn’t be an issue any more. I predict a president being elected by a 100% grass roots background a decade or two from now. The first viral president. No political machine behind him or her. A decentralized media no match for the wasps’ nest of social networks. Now the question is whether this will be a disaster or not.

  357. 75% of blacks think Noah has some advantage over them. But hate? No way.

    Don’t know whether that was sarcastic Rabbit but hate is a very strong word. Believe me with all of Noah’s whining 75% of blacks ignore Noah even more than they ignore Tex. :-)

  358. @dead rabbit I think your prediction can only come true after things get substantially worse. You’re correct we do suck. The people in the West are absolutely pathetic when it comes to harnessing the technology we all take for granted. I told Rutherford once something along this line:. Egypt et al use Twitter to start a revolution we do stupid shit.

    As for blacks…I got to come down on the side that at least 50%- 75% have far more pressing issues than whitey.

  359. If you cant be bothered to do your homework and back your claims with facts, then … bla bla bla

    You conveniently ignored my question. Please find for me the OWS manifesto that cites rape and murder as an avenue to achieve their goals. I bet you can’t. ;-)

  360. the several attempts at government encroachments so overweening that they have been struck down 9-0 by a normally divided Supreme Court

    What’s Klavin smoking? I’m not aware of the Supremes striking down a damn thing yet, certainly not by 9-0. Did the Obamacare decision come out while I wasn’t paying attention?

  361. Imagine if OJ were found guilty.

    All that’s needed is an event.

    Zimmerman is another one with potential.

    Tigre how can you not see the total lack of logic in what you just said? Many blacks mistakenly thought OJ was innocent and that a racist cop was involved in railroading him. His conviction would be CAUSE for a riot … reaction to perceived injustice.

    Many blacks think Z racially profiled Martin and nearly got a free pass from a police force that was perceived to be racist. While I don’t agree that his acquittal will prompt riots, it it does … again CAUSE … reaction to perceived injustice.

    Now let me repeat … proper reaction? No.

    Now if you want to suggest that if the weather in Florida tops 110 degrees the blacks there will use that as an excuse to riot, well then we can have a conversation about black folk just looking for an “excuse” to misbehave.

  362. Of course it is (bullshit). The riots were nothing if not entirely regrettable.

    Muffy, I love you in an already married sort of way but that was a nonsequiter. The acquittal can indeed cause the riot and the riot be entirely regrettable. The two are not mutually exclusive.

  363. Rutherford folks of every shade are always looking for an “excuse” to misbehave. I think we shouldn’t discount that people are a) dirt baggie enough in the first place b) yet smart enough to know they need the overt catalyst either real or trumped up.

  364. ROTFLMAO … Tigre you ARE right. Eugene Robinson does sound like Kermit the Frog. :lol:

    As for the Romney edit, two wrongs don’t make a right but we all know it’s done all the time including by conservative media outlets.

    But thanks for posting the full video because I actually LIKED that Romney. I thought his anecdote about state competition and the lack of competition with the Fed (besides other countries) was very well communicated.

  365. I’m thinking flirting with the BRIC’s is still a good idea.

    Hey Alfie, I read somewhere that Mexico (believe it or not) is poised to surpass Brazil economically.

  366. Poolman, I’m glad Wall Street is switching to Romney. Those commentaters weren’t crying during the last cycle when Obama was raising a fortune. I feel hyprocacy.

    You might like Betsy’s Page. She is a North Carolina teacher who posts a variety of stories. She is a conservative.

    I agree, five friends was not statistically significant, Rutherford, my conclusions come from years of observation. Its what in groups do. I made friends on other bases and got the same undercurrent after they got to know me. One man told another that he “Knew” whites made fun of blacks when they were alone. The man denied it. My friend asked me privately if the man was telling the truth, and I told him he was lying. It didn’t happen all of the time–about as often as blacks mocked whites.

    We know men occasionally make fun of women when no women are around. I trained gray ladies at one base, and we got tight. They were so comfortable with me that they visited as if I wasn’t there. They made more fun of men than whites or blacks did of each other, and they were nastier. I felt like a spy after what I heard about their husbands and boy friends.

    At least some blacks dislike whites. Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, and several other states had groups of young black men randomly beating up whites on “Lets get Whitey” nights at state fairs.

    I’ve been around. Scots and Welsh don’t like the English, and Irish border on hatred. Ukrainians resent Russians. A Dutchman said “You know the Germans are all pigs.” Koreans don’t like Japanese. Finns hate Swedes. A Swede said Finish women were mongoloid mongrels, and he hated their slanted eyes. A Finn said there were no true blonds in Sweden. Swedish so- called blonds looked like dead rabbits. Both sides accused the other of polluting their gene pool.

    Do you see the pattern I do? I don’t believe it is entirely racial or sexual. Each angry group was oppressed or victimized by the main object of their disdain. People have long memories. I don’t believe all Finns or all blacks hate all whites, but a survey would be statistically significant–maybe a quarter. I have no idea.

    John Travolta’s character in Saturday Night Fever discussed the phenenomon after he gave a dancing trophy he felt he hadn’t earned to the second place Hispanic couple.

  367. Obviously the game “causes” the riots.

    You tremendously enjoy being thick … probably because you know it gets my goat. Tigre, do post-game riots get started by fans of the winning team?

    A riot is like a forest fire. Some disappointment (the strike of the match) gets a few knuckleheads reacting in totally inappropriate ways (the spark) and then all those nearby have to decide to run or join in. When most join in, as is often the case, you get the riot (forest fire).

    You continue to make the mistake of thinking that when cause yields an inappropriate and sometimes nonsensical effect, then there can therefore be no connection between cause and effect. That’s just not true.

  368. 486, yep Rutherford, “Brother Love’s Traveling Salvation Show” Now the thing is running through my head. Trollabundin, to Neal Diamond.

    496, I hope its true, Rutherford. It is a reason fewer Mexicans are moving to the United States. Maybe the next trend will be for Anglos to move to Mexico.

    491. That’s why MSNBC didn’t want us to see the complete version.

    477. Democracies don’t work for the long term. Humans are too predatory. Maybe we will get it right some day.

  369. @496 yeah you’re right I don’t believe it. I’m in the camp that thinks Brazil will stay strong and Mexico will be seen as a failed state soon.

  370. Rutherford 498 I find the comment confusing.
    You ask:

    do post-game riots get started by fans of the winning team?

    Boston Red Sox,LA Lakers a number of other teams pro win the Big One=riot.
    Vancouver Canucks lost=riot.

  371. You conveniently ignored my question. Please find for me the OWS manifesto that cites rape and murder as an avenue to achieve their goals. I bet you can’t.

    I understand it is the Leftist policy to let others do your work for you, so I understand why you choose this approach. As a business man, I like to cut away all your leftist bullshit, ie your manifesto, and just go with the end results. End of the day it doesnt matter what they did or didnt say they stood for, its what they did.

    Lets take a look at the Tea Party vs OWS. Who did more with the least amount of violence? Tea party accomplished more with less violence than any other movement in our countries history. That’s just how Republicans roll. OWS created more violence and crime and accomplished less than almost any other political movement in our countries history. That’s just how you leftists roll.

  372. Imagine if OJ were found guilty.

    All that’s needed is an event.

    Zimmerman is another one with potential.

    Tigre how can you not see the total lack of logic in what you just said? Many blacks mistakenly thought OJ was innocent and that a racist cop was involved in railroading him. His conviction would be CAUSE for a riot … reaction to perceived injustice.

    I have to side with Rutherford on this one. If you look at the Leftist point of view, they are not responsible for their actions, they are the victim of their circumstances. Why would you ever suspect that they should be held accountable for their their actions? Do you think they have free will or something?

  373. Its a real shame the topic of riots is getting such short service amongst the group here. There’s a little bit of right in any number of the views. Civil disorder is a reality in the collective history of humanity.
    On a Zimerman/Martin related note:

    The press, television, and radio can play their part. Good reporting of constructive efforts in the field of race relations will be a major service to the community. We urge all media to report equally the good and the bad – the accomplishments of Negroes as well as the failures; the assistance offered to Negroes by the public and private sectors as well as the rejections.
    In our study of the chronology of the riots, we gave considerable attention to the reporting of inflammatory incidents which occurred in the initial stage of the Los Angeles riots. It is understandably easy to report the dramatic and ignore the constructive; yet the highest traditions of a free press involve responsibility as well as drama. We urge that members of all media meet and consider whether there might be wisdom in the establishment of guide lines, completely voluntary on their part, for reporting of such disasters. Without restricting their essential role of carrying the news to the public fairly and accurately, we believe news media may be able to find a voluntary basis for exercising restraint and prudence in reporting inflammatory incidents. This has been done successfully elsewhere.

    That’s the summary of the media section of the official report released after the Watts riots. I don’t think the media showed any sense of history.

  374. James,

    Wall Street is not our advocate. If they are backing him, they expect a serious ROI. Goldman Sachs sets his gait. That puts him opposed to the ‘common man’. That continues the debt enslavement. I’d like to see the Goldman Sachs crowd serving time for crime. Romney with his immoral soul is Obama on steroids.

    OWS and TPM have overlapping ideals. Mostly they advocate for a return to justice and the rule of the land as the constitution articulates. The real freedom movement hasn’t gone away. It’s still evolving.

    One person has faithfully carried the torch into the present better than most and he’s willing to carry it as long as he can. I put my support in that camp. He is pushing a Fed audit and still gaining delegates. I understand he won 21 out of 25 in Iowa.

  375. “Tigre how can you not see the total lack of logic in what you just said?”

    Because none exists.

    R, you’re just playing dumb again and I will not spend the time to walk you through the most obvious of “cause an effect” logic for you to deliberately misinterpret again.

    But to make MY point, fans for winning teams riot at least as frequently if not more so than the losers.

    You know, sometimes seeing other people riot causes a riot.

    Gawd. Being lectured about logic by someone bereft of any — that’s YOU — makes me want to burn down a building or beat a Korean grocer.

  376. Wow. Rutherford the House Cat is so detached he thinks most sports riots are when the team loses! Dude. Rutherford. Are you Belky from Perfect Strangers? What the fuck?

  377. As I’ve probably mentioned before, my family caught trapped in the 84 Detroit World Series riot. I was scared to death because I could sense my parents were too. I saw a crowd flip a police car and fire bomb it. After the 67 Riots the city came together when the Tigers won in 68. I think my parents thought the same thing was going to happen in 84. Boy were they wrong.

  378. “As for the Romney edit, two wrongs don’t make a right but we all know it’s done all the time including by conservative media outlets.”

    Didn’t MSNBC just get thrashed for editing the Zimmerman 911 tape?

    Awwwww, there I go again!

  379. Most of the time riots and violence is incited. The media stirs them up and defines them. I think that is their purpose today. Control the message and subsequent reaction with an intended gain. Herding cattle.

    If the Zimmerman trial doesn’t go down a certain way, the mob has already been divided and energized by the ‘news’ media. It will react against each other as intended. Keeping us at each other’s throats and off of theirs and their affairs the goal.

    We are doomed unless we catch on quick and repent.

  380. Alfie, I recall in college I had a professor that was making an extensive study of British hooliganism. I never read his final product, but I do recall trying to think of an American corollary and coming up short. I still find it to be a the damndest phenomenon.

  381. I got caught up in a mob mentality once. This car load of dudes showed up at my highschool for a one on one fight with someone from our school. The fight lasted about 30 seconds before security broke it up. It turned out these guys were really into ninja stuff. They had so many weapons, num chucks, clubs, etc. that our security guard couldn’t hold them all. He actually handed the weapons to the quiet, good kids in the crowd because he couldn’t hold them all. They attacked the car. We ended up beating the hell out of kids and utterly destroyed the car. I remember this rush that came over me as I took part in the mob. It made the local paper.

  382. Tex, regarding Amazon, I buy from them all the time and I’ve experienced nothing but good things regarding shipment. In fact I never pay for rush shipment cos stuff always arrives faster than expected. These results may differ when using an Amazon third party vendor.

  383. I think they have yet to do either, legislatively.

    Thor they got our credit rating lowered. It might not be legislative power but they sure can influence things … for the worst in that case.

  384. sorry thor, i am sure you impressed yourself, but your message escaped me. If you happen to find it within yourself to articulate your own point rather than to try and score some booty points with Rutherford, you let me know.

    Thor, you’re arguing with a man who has proven he is challenged with the English language. Keep trying but be prepared to bang your head against the wall in frustration. Best thoughts go out to your grandmother-in-law.

    Aside to Noah … here it is in tiny pieces for you to swallow easily … you don’t judge a movement by its most deranged followers. I don’t say Jesus and his millions of followers are debased because some priests can’t keep their hands off little boy’s penises. Similarly I don’t judge an economic equity movement by bad actors who sh*t on cop cars, deal drugs or kill/rape.

    So let’s try one more time Noah —

    Christianity good — Pedo priests bad
    OWS good — opportunistic criminals bad

    And once again Noah let’s see if you can come up with something other than police blotter headlines … but now I’ll double the assignment since you’re tardy with the first assignment I gave you:

    Show me in the Bible where it says priests should f*ck little boys.
    Then show me in any OWS statement of purpose where it says it’s members should rob, kill, rape and deal drugs.

  385. Our elections are not ruined because of money. They are ruined because we suck as a people. We have no excuses.

    There is indeed a connection between what we get and what we crave. Negative ads work. Otherwise we wouldn’t see them. Stupid sh*t like Romney’s dog on a car roof trumps the fact that he said he learned in 2004 not to be too specific in policy statements so he doesn’t have to be held to them.

    We want the circus and we get the circus.

  386. As for blacks…I got to come down on the side that at least 50%- 75% have far more pressing issues than whitey.

    Hear, hear, Alfie! Can I infer from your comment that 50 to 75% of them KNOW that they have far more pressing issues than whitey?

  387. Rutherford #486 see my # 438. No…Putin really is a prick,it’s just he’s a wily prick.

    I saw something bordering on chilling today. A video of Obama with Medvedev was followed by a video of Obama with Putin. With Medvedev it was all smiles and buddy buddy. With Putin it was a death stare. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeut!

  388. James I’d be a fool to say no blacks hate whites. Blacks are as capable of bigotry as anyone else. And for every white who “suspects” a black until proven otherwise there is a black who probably doesn’t trust a white any further than he can throw him. This is a product of this country’s original sin.

    It’s interesting that my sociology course is making the point I’ve made about forced immigration and its effect on a community. There is also the interesting phenomenon of culture trumping race. When Southern blacks migrated north to escape Jim Crow they brought their ignorant Southern ways with them and contaminated a Northern upwardly mobile class of blacks. The lowest common denominator prevailed and we get Newark, Compton and Detroit as a result. :-(

  389. Brother Love’s Traveling Salvation Show

    Excellent James … you NAILED it! I wonder if that was what Muffy had in mind or if it was just coincidence?

    One thing I love about this blog is talking about music with guys and gals who are more or less from my era. My sister (11 years younger) and my daughter frustrate the crap out of me with their ignorance of the great artists of the 60’s and early 70’s. My wife, 7 years younger, is better but even she doesn’t share my passion for what now passes as “the oldies”. (LOL to my mind, the oldies will always be the 50’s but I guess I’m in denial.)

  390. Boston Red Sox,LA Lakers a number of other teams pro win the Big One=riot.

    Were those riots started respectively by Red Sox and Lakers fans? I doubt it. Unless the “celebration” went awry.

  391. End of the day it doesnt matter what they did or didnt say they stood for, its what they did.

    Thanks for proving my and Thor’s point. Catholics believe in pedophilia. Case closed.

  392. The Obama administration maintained that the police shouldn’t need warrants

    This from some unknown blogger Tex who didn’t document his claim. When has the Obama admin ever claimed the police don’t need a warrant?

  393. I understand he won 21 out of 25 in Iowa.

    Poolman, I mentioned this on my radio show today. It must really burn your shorts that Paul won the Iowa caucus but didn’t get credit for it at a time when it could have given him momentum going into New Hampshire. If I were you, I’d be royally pissed.

  394. Being lectured about logic by someone bereft of any — that’s YOU — makes me want to burn down a building or beat a Korean grocer.

    Hey, cause and effect … no telling what will set a guy off. ;-)

  395. Rutherford. Are you Belky from Perfect Strangers? What the fuck?

    When it comes to sports (or “sport” as Romney would say), yes I am. Or would I give myself away if I answered: “Well, of course not, don’t be ridi-cool-us.”

  396. Rabbit, what is odd is that The Daily Mail’s URL for that story is wrong. It was Obama’s PATERNAL grandfather who was supposedly tortured BY the British … not that his MATERNAL grandfather tortured the British.

    With that factoid set straight, no I’m not particularly bothered by it. Maraniss’ book is getting lots of credit because he is viewed as a fair and objective journalist. This bio of Obama is supposedly one of the truest published yet … doesn’t make him a saint but doesn’t make him a villain either. I can respect that.

    I’ve read that the book makes the point that unlike Clinton who wanted to be Pres from age 9, Obama had surprisingly little ambition as a youngster for someone who would wind up POTUS.

  397. re: Sandusky – this old boy is going down like the Thresher. I’d hate to be his sorry anus in jail (literally). My wife had an interesting take on it at dinner last night. She said that monsters exist and almost certainly he’s one, but SHE would like to walk up to his wife and slap hell out of her. “She knew – she had to – you can’t live with somebody that long and not know.” When I heard the testimony of the one boy who was in a children’s home, I nearly broke up. He said that, after he had done what he was supposed to for Mr. Sandusy, he ended up back in the children’s home. He waited and waited for Jerry – whom he worshipped – to come get him, but he never did. He never even wrote to him or answered his letters.

    There is a really good reason for prisons: to keep people like me from getting at people like Jerry Sandusky. It’s a good thing that I am not king of the world. A really good thing.

  398. In defense of Noah, the left judged the Tea Party by its worst members. Therefore, others have a legitimate reason for following the old rules. The obscene amounts of money spent on elections was good when Obama ran for president, and his supporters bragged about how much money he was raising. Now that the Republicans are attracting more money, all of that spending is bad.

    Liberals set the rules, and now they want to change them.

    Thanks, Rutherford. Muffy, was it a coincidence?

    I like the musical and other discussions too. Yes, the fifties are also oldies to me too. Its hard to believe I thought I was cool doing the Stroll. If you remember the Stroll, you are really old. Its too bad younger people can’t even identify the classics.

    Did you notice the word I typed behind Neil Diamond? it is a real word and sort of apropo. Earlier, I cited a link to Elvor singing “Trollabundin” It was mainly directed at thor, and he is probably the only one who watched the video.

    Evor was singing about a wizzard who had enchanted her and captured her soul with music. We don’t need wizzards to enchant us with music, do we?.

  399. Sandusky is a monster and so are the cowardly scumbags that turned the other way because it might interfere with their lucrative career. So are these pedophile priests. And so are these pastors in the pulpit preaching against homosexuality on Sunday, rumping the rectum Saturday. All the lowest form of low and worthy of death in my book. Let the prisoners work them over – I understand there’s a special place for pedophiles in prison.

    Pfesser’s wife is right. Too many cowardly women are covering these practices up. Damn straight Sandusky’s wife knew it. I’m not insinuating all homos are monsters, but it sure seems a disproportionate share are. Many of them married as fronts for their predatory practice.

    The big pink commonality elephant in the room that nobody like MSNBC and PC Rutherford wants to talk about concerning these cases, though?

    They’re all queer.

    Feminine women, real women and not what passes for women on the Left, have a unique role in our world, Rutherford. Though in your world of the emasculated male like Chrissie Hayes and those things like Chaz Maddow, your world so upside down, you’ve even got your roles switched.

    Our country would fold tent in six months if you bunch of deviant pussies were left to your own accord. You’d make really nice movies and plays with pretty curtains in your house, until Abu skull fucked you to death.

    Real women tame the beast. It’s their innate role. Real men secretly dream of the Taliban being unleashed on Joyless Behar’s big, fat ass for egregious behavior.

  400. Pfesser, speaking as sometimes Texan, it does my heart good to see a rapist bludgeoned to death, as even our women stood and cheered the decision. :grin:

  401. you don’t judge a movement by its most deranged followers.

    The problem is Rutherford, is you dont judge them at all. You dont talk about them, you do not condemn their actions. You give them a total pass. How many thousands of crimes need to happen by your movement before you decide to take count? Lets be real..most of it happened to rich white people…or white women. They probably had it coming to them right? Those rich business owners..they deserved what they got…right? That is why you don speak out…because secretly you are cheering them on.

    Why is it the tea party could do so much more than your left wing radicals ever could and did so with almost zero violence? I dont expect you to answer, because …how does the saying go….you would rather look good and loose, than look bad and win?

    My challenge with the English language is I am dealing with an ignorant, dishonest person who had to take 1 word and hang his entire argument on it. You couldn’t admit my point so you went for the easy win. The fact you keep bringing this up tells me you are feeling just a touch insecure. Maybe it is starting to bother you a little when the time came to be the bigger man…you failed?

  402. 523 Rutherford, I’m glad your course is teaching the same things I learned in Sociology. I move a step further than that with the examples I cited to show that previous exploitation of a society creates underlying distrust and hostility lasting for generations. Even so, individuals while feeling a general disdain for another group accept individuals from that society to the point of intermarrying.

    I agree about the migration of southerners to the northern cities. However, they brought benefits too. Some of the migrants were rural blues men, and they sang their music in northern clubs where blacks congregated. They needed to play over the noise, so they invented electric blues. As you know this played a role in the evolution of Rock and Roll.

    While southern blacks brought their culture north, other groups imported their cultures. Our Dutch relatives, for example, live in a several county-wide Dutch ghetto. Most are very conservative and will warn a farmer not to work on
    Sunday. Everything used to shut down on Sunday. It was like visiting “The Village.”

    A study showed that Germans, British, and Bohemians favor different farming practices and inheritance traditions even now.

    American society is a rootless conglomeration of local populations who cling to their ancestors’ values because immigrant nations have no long-term traditions and values old source societies live by.. At least that’s what some Europeans think.

  403. Show me in the Bible where it says priests should f*ck little boys.
    Then show me in any OWS statement of purpose where it says it’s members should rob, kill, rape and deal drugs.

    Rutherford you really need to pick up your Bible and read it. Seriously you are fucked up.

    I do not understand a person who has never seen the inside of a business office other than being called in to be fired to understand my answer so I will try again. You have one set of claims as to what OWS represents. Out in the real world we call them fantasy and lies. Many commentators have given opinions on what OWS represents.

    Because there are so many opinions, like you..i mean like assholes, everyone has one, so how do we pick? Well in my opinion we judge them by their actions. Their acts of crime are not isolated. Thousands upon thousands of crimes were committed. 1 or 2 or 10 or even 50 considering the scope, I could consider as not being representative of the group. But thousands and thousands? Sorry..my man…it counts.

  404. Tex –

    I would ask you to reconsider your position on queers. My experience has always been that of pretty nice fellows, generally well-educated, maybe a little hyper-sexed and promiscuous but not aggressive. Actually pretty funny for the most part. My gay employee told me one time, do you think I liked being pushed around and beaten on as a kid in school? Me trying to be straight would be like you trying to be a believer – you could say you are one all day but it wouldn’t change a thing. You can’t help it and neither can I, and I quit trying to deny it.

    My brother asked me once if I would let a queer babysit my two sons. I thought about it sincerely and told him that if I had to pick somebody at random, I would trust a queer with my boys a lot further than a straight guy with young girls, and I still feel the same way.

    Remember, this guy in Texas was after a little GIRL, not boy.

  405. Poolman, I dont believe Wall Street is our advocate either. However, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The people backing Obama are the greater threat, in my opinion.

  406. Rutherford’s sociology class…. :twisted:

    Talk about extinguishing the roaring blaze with ether. Like a massive dosage of Microdot for the Poolman.

  407. This is a product of this country’s original sin.

    Still riding that horse? Still the perpetual victim. How much money do you feel you are owed because your own people sold your ancestors into slavery?

    It’s interesting that my sociology course is making the point I’ve made about forced immigration and its effect on a community.

    I find it interesting that you choose to take a class that basically is a cheerleader to your cause. Maybe it will help with my aforementioned comments about self esteem.

    More interesting is that you do not agree with this countries premise that we are a nation of laws. That you feel it is unjust to back laws that we have on the books. Could you go a little further and explain why is it you feel we should not enforce the laws of the land?

  408. I would ask you to reconsider your position on queers. My experience has always been that of pretty nice fellows, generally well-educated, maybe a little hyper-sexed and promiscuous but not aggressive.

    My experience has been just the opposite. I’ve worked for two queers now – both were highly intelligent and two of the most unstable, most corrupted, most pretentious people I’ve ever met. I had to bite my tongue (difficult for a cad like me) every day just to make it through the day because they were so unstable.

    And that was pretty much the consensus of the entire department, both times.

    I’m sure there are nice ones out there too. And you’re right – the rapist was molesting a little girl. And we pin a medal on the father as we should. One less pedophile.

    However, just to show you how disingenuous this entire argument has become, had it been a little boy, the reaction would have been entirely different across the nation. You would have heard of the troubled past, his daddy and mommy issues, Matthew Shepard, how he was bullied his entire life, wah wah wah.

    I’m tired of the duplicity.

  409. “Were those riots started respectively by Red Sox and Lakers fans?”

    Yes Balky. And those that weren’t fans of anything other than and excuse to riot.

    Seeing the point yet? :roll:

  410. Attorney general asks White House to exert executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents

    Corrupt to the core. Both of them. Border agents have been killed because of these men’s gross incompetence. Eric Holder should be in a penitentiary.

    Okay, all you Watergate, Irangate, Borkers, OWS goons, conspiratorial 9/11 Troofers, and other maggots.

    Where’s your outrage now, Lefties? Let’s see how much you slime dawgs really care about our legal system and justice like your always mouthing.

    Here’s my ante Rutherford goes looking for excuses of other bad behavior to justify the privilege.

  411. The wife is lying. She’s still saying he didn’t do it.

    ~

    Would it be understandable to riot over the assertion of executive privilege over the Fast & Furious cover up?

  412. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/20/obama-camp-demands-names-crossroads-gps-donors/

    You bet. As soon as you maggots from the Left publish everyone of those international credit card donor’s names from the 2008 Presidential race that were never followed up on by Holder and Co. – conveniently swept under the rug by the completely corrupted Dim National Committee.

    I am absolutely loving watching these feckless Dims scramble, getting beat at their own game. They are getting their naked nasty asses exposed all over Twitter too.

    Romney has run a hell of a campaign so far. Let’s hope he can keep this up for another 4 1/2 months.

    Punch back twice as hard.

  413. Holder is a complete Fuck Wad.

    And twattwaffle with syrup.

    R, sees it as no big deal becuase Holder’s an extension of his Adonis.

    I’m going to go beat the shit out of handicapped for taking all the good parking spaces in my hood. Holder caused it. :lol:

  414. I do think this morning’s events (re: Holder + Obama) illustrates to me that there is an important milestone between the “cause” of a jury verdict and the “effect” of a riot.

    I’m so mad right now I’ve got a good mind to turn off the computer and go for a bike ride.

  415. RE: 555 – Ooh, I have to think about that. It’s a pretty bad moniker. Might be a good idea to hold on to that one just in case.

  416. Poolman, the executive privilage that so upset muffy and is another illustration of my willingness to praise financial help from Wall Street etc.

    We are no longer ruled by laws. Criminals who are supposed to be our employees are dictating to us through selective enforcement of our laws and through fiat.

    Firing them with truck loads of money is preferable to other means which would endanger their health.

    I have been in riots where people smashed windows and set fires. The participants, at least if they are of college- age become a separate organism as they store their individually in a lock box.

    352. What Tex wrote.

  417. This quote is for Pfesser in particular:

    “When one guy sees an invisible man, he’s a nut case; ten people see him, it’s a cult; ten million people see him, it’s a respected religion.” -Richard Jeni, comedian and actor (1957-2007)

  418. f I ever had any question about the November election, it is gone. Now it appears that the highest levels of government were involved in the illegal gun-running into Mexico by the Department of Justice – gun-running that cost the life of an American border agent. Obama invokes “executive privilege” to prevent Congress from knowing just what took place.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57456848-503544/white-house-grants-executive-privilege-over-fast-and-furious-documents/

    Bloody damned crooks, with the President hiding their crimes. Hell, maybe he’s involved. This reminds me SO much of Watergate; I know and I remember all about it, because I was THERE. Feh.

    (dup post @ Fat Grannies. They appear to not be having a good, er…century)

  419. Perhaps it’s time for a “special prosecutor” – just like in the Watergate era. Who knows? We might just get to see BO doing the perp-walk out of the Oval Office, with his coat over his head.

    Where the hell is Judge John Sirica when you need him? GRRR….these arrogant sonsofbitches just fry me. Goddammit, where is the Rule of Law in this screwed-up nation of ours? Are BO and his minions above the law?

  420. Perhaps it’s time for a “special prosecutor” – just like in the Watergate era. Who knows? We might just get to see BO doing the perp-walk out of the Oval Office, with his coat over his head.

    Ahhhh…..

    I can barely keep two hands on the keyboard thinking about that beautiful sight. Carry Michelle Antoinette out on a spit with him, and I”ll do it in the front yard.

  421. I remember Watergate too. Obama has compared himself to multiple presidents, and now he is Nixonian. Yes, we need a special prosecutor.

    Good for the fat grannies’ bad century.. As Rev Wright said, “the chickens are coming home to roost.”

    When Henry Fonda’s character saw Harvey and had conversations with the giant rabbit, was he a nut? We in the audience watched Harvey with our own eyes.

  422. @566 James Stewart not Henry Fonda.
    @ Rutherford 523 theres a lot of over simplification in there brother not the least accepting the term “forced immigration”.

  423. Severe clinical depression, psychotic paranoia, shot himself in the face.

    I guess Jeni’s search for meaning and his arrogance didn’t do much for him now, did it?

    Imagine Jeni’s shock when he awoke only to find out who was standing over him for eternity? I want to give a buwahahahahaha but won’t. I don’t need to be smote for Schadenfreude ….

    Fabulous Rutherford. Sounds like a real winner. I’ll assure you there ain’t no RIP or party in a blast furnace.

    ————-

    That’s really the major difference between me and Rutherford, truth be known for all our shared faults.

    Tex picks Jesus
    Rutherford picks Jeni

    I really, really like my chances.

  424. PF regarding Sandusky, I’m just sorry Paterno got the easy way out. If there is a God he is hopefully rotting in hell or just waiting for Jerry to join him. It’s one thing to be in the throes of a pathology which I believe every pedophile is. It’s quite another to be “normal” and look the other way.

  425. Thanks for your thoughts. Grandma made it through the surgery but still in ICU. The operation was for cancer, but she also had formed a brain blood clot making the surgery very dicy because of the blood pressure issues. Now it’s a matter if they got the cancer in time.

    Thanks for the advice about Nagic R, but I think I figured out how to get it down to his level.

    Nagic,

    Cat in the Hat is very cool.
    Thing One and Thing Two like hanging with Cat in the Hat but they also have a tendency to cause trouble and rip shit up.
    Does that make Cat in the Hat uncool?

    I predict your answer will sound something like the grumpy, tattletale fish in the bowl.

  426. They’re all queer.

    Damn for someone who attended a couple of years of med school you can be so damn ignorant Tex. Even I have read enough to know pedophilia sits in a box of its own, not directly related to homosexuality. The desire for a child trumps the desire for the same gender. Most “queers” have a normal desire to engage in sex with people their own age. Your comments are typical of attitudes that have dogged gays for decades. It’s 1950’s propaganda.

  427. So some of you leftist turds don’t believe me when I say Obama and henchmen aren’t socialists, but incompetent, arrogant fascists. Let me help prove it to the fair minded.

    Consider the last year:

    – The GSA scandal, in which bureaucrats charged with improving government efficiency decided to treat themselves to a hugely expensive lark in Vegas.

    – The Secret Service scandal, in which agents got caught, literally, with their pants down among foreign floozies.

    – The Environmental Protection Agency scandal, in which one of the agency’s regional bigs was found to have told his minions to “crucify,” like the conquering Romans, gas and oil companies at random to terrify them into submission.

    – The Justice Department scandal known as “Fast and Furious,” in which drug traffickers south of the border received lethal firepower in what many believe was a bid to discredit the right to bear arms in this country.

    – The National Labor Relations Board’s telling a major manufacturer, Boeing, that it couldn’t open a new plant in a “right-to-work” state.

    – The ongoing scandal of the Energy Department’s backing a whole string of losers with taxpayer funds ““alternative energy.”

    – The ObamaCare overstretch in which the president snapped his fingers at the backlash over his contraception mandate (itself a major and gratuitous blow against separation of church and state) and said, in effect, “the insurance companies will pay for it,” without citing constitutional authority.

    – The EPA’s seeking to bankrupt the coal industry apparently on “global warming” authority.

    – The Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights ordering colleges to use the relatively lax “preponderance of evidence” standard against males accused of rape on campus or risk losing federal funds.

    These sorry SOBs and Hags are buffoonish thugs impoverishing and bullying our nation, and not much else. We need to run them out on a rail.

  428. How many thousands of crimes need to happen by your movement

    Damn you just don’t get it. The movement didn’t commit the crimes. Criminal hangers-on did.

    James in a comment above was absolutely right. I was wrong to judge the entire Tea Party movement by the racist and intimidating signage that was highlighted by a sensational press. As far as I know, no where in Tea Party platforms does it say “The Presidency of the USA should be limited to white people”.

    The “occupy” nature of the OWS movement encouraged losers to migrate to it. I have gone on record several times saying the OWS folks should have protested, gone the hell home, taken a f*cking bath, and come back the next day to fight again. Ad hoc communities lead to lawlessness. The OWS leaders didn’t have the good sense to know that.

    The TPM folks, mostly an older demographic, rejected the 1960’s commune approach (hell it probably never occurred to them) and it made them more successful.

  429. “PF regarding Sandusky, I’m just sorry Paterno got the easy way out. If there is a God he is hopefully rotting in hell or just waiting for Jerry to join him. ”

    I am absolutely baffled by Paterno. It seems so out of character. Was it a case of thinking it was the lesser of two evils, vis a vis the complete explosion and damage to Penn State if it were revealed? Maybe he confronted Sandusky and was convinced there was nothing to it… Just unthinkably poor judgement.

  430. James another interesting thing I learned this week in my class was the plight of the Irish immigrant. There was a time in the north when the Irish were actually worse off than blacks. Business sported signs that said “Colored only, Irish need not apply.” One of the interesting problems the Irish faced was that many of them did only seasonal work (potato farming for example) in their native land and weren’t used to working 12 months a year. When they arrived in America they were immediately labeled lazy. The Catholic church played a major role in helping the Irish eventually shed their disadvantaged status.

    I found myself thinking as I watched this week’s seminar this morning how good it would be for several of you guys to be in this course. It would honestly add some depth to the sweeping statements you make about human behavior.

  431. “Were you all screaming from the rooftops when “Wide Receiver” was revealed? I doubt it.”

    Let’s stick with this. What do you have to say about this?

  432. Even I have read enough to know pedophilia sits in a box of its own, not directly related to homosexuality.

    It must be the failed Obama factor and you feeling really blue your failed religion of progressive politic came apart at the seams like a Korean rocket.

    And the only thing left are shreds of Eric Holder’s boxer shorts in your teeth and Obama’s stiff cock in your ass, as fewer are offering the buttcrack to the FAILED PRESIDENT everyday. You can’t even read clearly anymore, misquoting, or misinterpreting more often than not.

    Nagic is right – you need to knock of the Evelyn Woodhead sped riddin coursework you flunked of picking one word and running with it – truly Poolman like in depth.

    I was talking about the scandals listed above dolt.

  433. I never saw the Church as the power behind the Irish turnaround in America. I always saw it as the Irish building numbers to the point that they tipped the scales to their collective advantage,first through hooliganism then through cronyism. two of the historically unique ism’s of the USA.

  434. Rutherford you really need to pick up your Bible and read it. Seriously you are fucked up.

    I do not understand a person who has never seen the inside of a business office other than being called in to be fired to understand my answer so I will try again.

    First of all ass-wipe, I put in 24 years at one company and got “fired” making six figures. I’ll put my career against yours any day. Second, what are you saying about the Bible Noah? Are you suggesting I missed the part where it says it’s ok to f*ck little boys? I don’t think you get the point. You are either willfully stupid or just plain stupid.

    If you want to bring out the Tex in me, keep upping the rhetoric. I’ve watched Tex scorch Earth and I’ve learned from a master, motherf*cker.

  435. Wide Receiver? Is that the best you got, Bore?

    There’s a couple of facts you lying, duplicitous sacks of fascist shit from the Left conveniently forget to mention when comparing F & F with Wide Receiver.

    The Bush administration tried to trace the guns and informed the Mexican authorities when the guns went across the border, but the Obama administration did not.

    And all about the same time that the Obama administration was making its inaccurate claims about the United States being a major source of Mexican crime guns.

    Pricks.

  436. Leaving the low hanging fruit aside for once. I thought this remark worthy of reflection (re: Texas father)…

    “However, just to show you how disingenuous this entire argument has become, had it been a little boy, the reaction would have been entirely different…”

    They’ve already introduced a personality disorder (re: Sandusky raping little boys). I thought I heard wind of coming allegations of childhood sexual abuse (Sandusky’s own childhood).

  437. Oh gawd.

    I found myself thinking as I watched this week’s seminar this morning how good it would be for several of you guys to be in this course. It would honestly add some depth to the sweeping statements you make about human behavior.

    Rutherford, these progressive pack of lies you believed before you ever hit the floor of your bedroom were instigated by the same stupid, perverted “sociologists” that we’ve all grown to detest. When you eat out next time, chances good you’ll be served by a college graduate in sociology. :wink:

    The only thing this course will do for you when you’re done, is leave you even more fucked up, confused, and weak minded.

  438. Nobody died in Watergate. Brian Terry and who knows how many covert operatives have from F & F. If the Obama administration’s story was true, they would want to release the documents that support it. They are obviously lying out their ass.

    I have purposely stayed out of this F & F on this blog, letting justice take its course. Now that Obama has involved himself ruling by fiat, it’s time to ratchet up the pressure.

    We need to take this fascist mofo down…

  439. Rutherford, I disagree with you about 94% of the time, but I have to hand it to you for patience. If it was me, I’d fire the whole lot of us, shut the blog down and go fishin’. You take a lot more shit than I would, I have to tell you…appreciate it. Nobody can accuse you of being thin skinned.

  440. “I am absolutely baffled by Paterno. It seems so out of character. Was it a case of thinking it was the lesser of two evils, vis a vis the complete explosion and damage to Penn State if it were revealed? Maybe he confronted Sandusky and was convinced there was nothing to it… Just unthinkably poor judgement.”

    Evidently covering up for sexual abuse was his character.

    We lie to preserve ourselves. We lie for other reasons, but in the cases of covering up for sexual abuse I think it’s just that simple.

    If he were alive to take the stand today I expect that he would say he believed Sandusky to be innocent of the charges back then. He might even say he didn’t believe them today.

    Self-preservation. Self self self.

  441. “The only thing this course will do for you when you’re done, is leave you even more fucked up, confused, and weak minded.
    :lol: :lol:

    And like a sophomore taking “introduction to psychology”, we’re all gonna here about how his theories of politics and conservatives is backed-up by this course. :roll:

  442. R, I am reminded of one of my most liberal colleagues, his wife on the same footing and a psychologist no less. They took pleasure in passing along an article from some widely circulated publication that claimed to have determined the psychological shortcomings of conservatives and why liberals were superior intellectually. The gist? Conservatives were small minded and isolated what they liked to read or hear to the exclusion of the rest.

    The article smugly handed to me was highlighted and underlined by my colleague and his wife. When my laughter died, there was silence. . . followed by “asshole.” :lol:

  443. “The article smugly handed to me was highlighted and underlined by my colleague and his wife. When my laughter died, there was silence. . . followed by “asshole.” ”

    I have found no weapon so powerful as humor. There is just no defense against it.

    The censors were hard at work in my little town about thirty years ago, led by a local Baptist preacher. I published a satire in the local newspaper, basically an allegory paralleling “High Noon,” where the local “sex sheriff” was out to set everybody’s morals straight for them. I had just been elected to the school board and the censorship people were furious. I had not argued with them, name-called or even called them out by name; I had done something much worse: I had laughed at them.

    Until that time, nobody would oppose these people. Even though a lot of people were looking at porn – including a LOT of married couples, they were afraid to come out “in favor of pornography.” The newspaper was completely silent. Afterward, the paper was full of letters to the editor encouraging the censors to mind their own business.

    The denouement came when one of the church deacons was caught stealing porn from a local convenience store – on camera. The store owner, who had been the only merchant to not knuckle under, had a six-foot poster printed up of the act, called him and his pastor in for a “conference of compromise” and told them that, if they would mind their own business, he wouldn’t post it in his front window.

    Case closed.

    I had a lot more cojones then. Jesus, how I have avoided being shot just f’in eludes me…

  444. Regarding the sociology class and Tex’s and Tigre’s comments. Did you guys bother to read the paragraph that preceded my musings about your taking the course? That had nothing to do with liberal or conservative or trying to figure out “the conservative mind”. I was paraphrasing a discussion about differences among the classes and the races, I thought the observation about Irish immigrants quite interesting. Sometimes prejudices develop from misinterpretation of a minority’s culture.

    I’m not claiming a liberal arts degree is the road to riches so the comment about sociology majors waiting tables is off the mark. I know we’ve all gotten old and cynical but can’t you guys agree some things are worth thinking deeply about?

  445. Rutherford’s got an infinite number of major faults. :smile:

    Being thin skinned isn’t one of them. So therefore, in my book, Rutherford is a hundred times the man that President Lying Ass is. I’d vote for Rutherford for President before I’d vote for Obama – I ain’t kidding.

    I second your comment, Pfesser.

    I’ve given Mr. R a load of shit for four years, most of it deserved, some of it way over the top, and still he tolerates my lazy ass.

    “R”, you are a diamond. An uncut one, unpolished, clouded and bland. :twisted: But still a diamond.

  446. Would it be understandable to riot over the assertion of executive privilege over the Fast & Furious cover up?

    Ask Tex, Muffy. He sounds like he’s ready to start one. ;-)

  447. I’m going to go beat the shit out of handicapped for taking all the good parking spaces in my hood. Holder caused it. :lol:

    Well you’ll have to get in line behind me cos I want to beat the sh*t out of all the non-disabled people who use those spots. :-)

  448. Rutherford, you do humor me. I’ve laughed about you soaking up that sociology crap since you announced to the room you were taking the course. I’d take it with you if they had an “open forum” for discussion just to be a turd and flunk it.

    Like Tigre, I thought, “Oh no…we’ll never hear the end of it now.”

  449. R, it was a only a prediction my thin-skinned blog host. :wink:

    Well. . . and this:

    Rutherford | June 11, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    “BTW, I’ve started today taking a free sociology class offered by Princeton University. Only an hour into it and I’ve already read a paragraph that summarizes for me the conservative mental defect.”

  450. :lol: Rutherford you kill me (#597). Perspective is everything, isn’t it.

    The only thing I have against your class is that you neglect your blog and it gets overrun by these wingnuts.

  451. Before we go all bat-sh*t crazy may I remind you that, according to wiki, George W. Bush claimed executive privilege six times during his administration. It’s a perfectly legal action for the executive branch to take.

    With that said, it always smells fishy when it happens and it smells fishy now. Sometimes when I write a blog post I start with the title. I’ve got a title buzzing around in my head right now, so maybe I’ll do some research and write a post to fit the title. ;-)

  452. “Well you’ll have to get in line behind me cos I want to beat the sh*t out of all the non-disabled people who use those spots.”

    Let’s get those fuckin’ Koreans! At least we can agree that the non-disabled ones are to blame.

  453. “It’s a perfectly legal action for the executive branch to take.”

    Only if there really is a privilege over the materials and information for which it is invoked, and it is used for legitimate reasons.

    The immigration executive order decree was not legal.

  454. Here you go, Rutherford. Here’s some more ammo to beat Tex over the head with:

    Being born again causes brain damage.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/health/132456883.html?c=r

    I like it when you and he fight. LOL. (not that much, really, but it keeps it exciting…). Sunday is my last day and I won’t be dependent on this blog to keep me from shooting my brains out….heh, heh…

  455. Are you so sure that Richard is still laughing now?

    Not at all sure Muffy, not at all sure. God might indeed be having the last laugh. Which reminds me of a lyric from, I think, Depeche Mode:

    I don’t want to start any blasphemous rumors
    But I think that God has a sick sense of humor
    And when I die, I expect to find Him laughing.

    P.S. While you may find the joke insulting, can you deny the truth of it? Do you really think evangelicals could get away with calling Mormonism a “cult” if there were a lot more of them? Strength in numbers applies to religion as well as any other institution.

  456. When Henry Fonda’s character saw Harvey

    Minor nitpick … I think it was Jimmy Stewart, not Fonda. I haven’t seen Harvey in its entirety. Are you suggesting Harvey was a metaphor for faith?

  457. I don’t find the joke insulting. I find it unoriginal, out of place, a cheap shot, and lame attempt to rile Tex up so that he obliges you and then you and PF can judge him in a couple of minutes. wink. wink.

    I didn’t say God would have the last laugh. I asked if you were sure that fucked up comedian was still laughing.

  458. How in the hell can Obama hide the documents? I thought Executive Privilege could only be used when highly sensitive info involving the President was in play? What right does he have covering shit up for his boyfriend Holder? Following this logic, Executive Privilage could be dropped on us FOR ANYTHING. Rutherford, dude……stay very far from MSNBC on this one. You barely have any core values that you haven’t already pissed on in front of the whole world. This sucks.

  459. …which you admitted that you weren’t. (Sure, that is).

    I really wish that you would just come out and call Christ a liar. You’re such a mealy mouthed agnostic. Come on baby, Devil’s waiting. ;)

  460. Alfie apologies for repeating your Harvey correction. Didn’t see it.

    It’s funny what you say about oversimplification. That is one of my gripes about the sociology course in that while it tries to get the student to think deeply about certain issues, it also provides what might seem like pat answers. Generalizations abound, all supposedly backed up by research performed within highly structured sociological protocols.

  461. You might want to read your own “ammo,” PF.

    “According to the study, people who said they were a “born-again” Protestant or Catholic, or conversely, those who had no religious affiliation, had more hippocampal shrinkage (or “atrophy”) compared to people who identified themselves as Protestants, but not born-again.”

    Did you know that?

  462. Holy crap. Rutherford learned that the Irish were treated like total shit back in the day. This sociology class is awesome for my ranking here. I’m now the 3 rd dumbest motherfucker here.

    By the way, I took that class. So nurture my balls, I’m sure it’s in your nature.

  463. Tex picks Jesus
    Rutherford picks Jeni

    I really, really like my chances.

    That was damn near poetic, seriously. Only flaw is I don’t “pick” anyone. A