Hannity Plays the Race Card

March 8, 2012 at 3:09 pm 359 comments

Before he died, Andrew Breitbart told the audience at CPAC that he had videos of Barack Obama that would blow the lid off his reputation. Obama, said Breitbart, would finally be vetted in a way that he wasn’t in 2008. Like a true loyal conservative, Sean Hannity played one of these videos on his show Wednesday night with commentary from two “reporters” from breitbart.com.

The video seems harmless enough. Obama, then a Harvard Law student, is seen introducing (and paying tribute to) Derrick Bell, a professor concerned, dare I say obsessed with faculty diversity.  So at first glance, nothing to see here, move along.

Now, conservatives are the first to cry foul when liberals play that “race card”. In fact, even the suggestion that racism exists prompts a charge of racism from conservatives. So the last thing you would expect is for Sean Hannity to go there. What is the problem with Obama asking his fellow students to open their hearts and minds to Derrick Bell? Bell is a proponent of Critical Race Theory (CRT) which states, among other things, that whites will only help blacks achieve equality when it is in their self-interest. I’m no expert on CRT but supposedly the self-interest slant is particularly applied to Jews. Hence there are some who label CRT antisemitic. On a more humorous note, Bell also authored a science fiction story in which white people sell blacks to space aliens in order to eliminate the deficit. Sounds to me like a mixture of Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich ideology. But I digress.

Using the old guilt by association tactic, Hannity is telling you that Obama hates white people. We’ve been down this road before with Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Only this time, with the economy in a mess and international tensions running high you would think that conservatives would focus their attack on Obama via economics and foreign affairs. But those subjects are oh so dry and boring to the average voter. Isn’t it much sexier to play the race card and tell everyone that Obama hates white people?

Supposedly there are more videos to come. Hannity is already stoking the conspiracy theorists because the video published by BuzzFeed didn’t include Obama hugging Bell. Oh yes, after those words of praise, that hug is the cherry on the sundae! When Obama was a young man, he hugged a radical. Our nation is in grave danger! Hannity also showed video of Harvard Professor Charles Ogletree saying that Obama’s tenuous connection with Bell was kept on the down low during the 2008 election season. Good heavens, more evidence that this white hating radical was implanted in the White House under the bogus cover of hope and change.

Hopefully, people will see through this race-baiting by Hannity. At this point, there is no evidence that Obama was a proponent of Critical Race Theory. All we know is that Obama was supporting Bell’s protest for faculty diversity at Harvard. When you’re not confident enough to go after the President on what matters in 2012, you reach back to 1990 and try to scare people.

My conservative friends, you can update your list of race hustlers now. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and … Sean Hannity.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  • 1. Rutherford  |  March 8, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Tigre and Dead Rabbit, before you go there let me assure you I have seen NO MSNBC coverage on this topic yet. (I”m about to have lunch and will probably see it on my recorded Morning Joe). A comment from the prior thread along with a tip that it would be on Hannity lead me to watch Hannity last night (45 mins worth) and write the above piece.

    So any similarity to what I wrote and what you see in the dreaded MSM is strictly coincidental. Got it?

  • 2. dead rabbit  |  March 8, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Ha. “Hannity plays the race card”is the caption to a picture of Obama in front of a crowd of people holding giant race cards in support of some total wack job proffesor. At least that’s what it looks like from my crappy iPod touch browser.

  • 3. El Tigre  |  March 8, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    R, hahahah. I didn’t make it through your post before I received this from a liberal friend. You must have been watching CNN. :lol: Even my liberal friend is shaking his head in disgust at the media bias. ‘ll read what you wrote while you enjoy Solidad’s ass-kicking:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/03/08/The%20Vetting%20CNN%20Implodes%20Over%20Obama%20Bell%20Video

  • 4. El Tigre  |  March 8, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    And R misses the real story on this. Priceless.

  • 5. mpbulletin  |  March 8, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    This truly a stretch and illustrates the deperation on the side of the Right and the Republicans whose criticisms of “country destroying Obama policies” lose credence as the economy continues to improve.

    They have nothing left.

  • 6. James  |  March 8, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    This is the first time I saw the video on television. That is the same media bias we were writing about regarding Rush. The big explosion was not so much in the video as Solidad’s and the others reactions to it.

    ?Holms, a black woman was the only voice of reason, and she was right. This should have been shown instead of hidden before the last election.

    The revevlation reminds me of the philosophical argument between WEB Dubois and Booker T. Washington.

  • 7. Rutherford  |  March 8, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Tigre, that CNN video was cool. Thanks.

    Amy Holmes might have a point about the “Bell connection” not seeing the light of day in 2008 but I have a hunch about that. What makes for sexier coverage, a professor discussing dry racial politics theory or a preacher screaming “Goddam America”? In 2008 the hot story got the attention. The Bell story could never have competed. Now that Wright is old news, they’re dragging out this stupidity.

    I must admit it was funny to see Soledad drop any pretense of objectivity. :-) (You GO girl!)

  • 8. Rutherford  |  March 8, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    And R misses the real story on this.

    Pray tell what is the REAL story?

  • 9. Rutherford  |  March 8, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    MPBulletin, welcome to the blog. Yes, it does smack of desperation.

  • 10. Rutherford  |  March 8, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    The revevlation reminds me of the philosophical argument between WEB Dubois and Booker T. Washington.

    James could you elaborate? I’m not familiar with that argument.

  • 11. an800lbgorilla  |  March 8, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    Using the old guilt by association tactic…” – R

    This is pretty rich. The left has built an industry on hating others based on “association”. Never mind the FACT that it is a Democrat party that DID promote racism, Jim Crow and segregation. You didn’t read the link I sent you, did you. Your party lives and dies on the race card. Period.

    I didn’t see the Hannity segment on this, nor have I really looked into the videos, but from what I’ve seen of Bell, the salient point here is that promoted a racist position, like Malcolm X. It was/is never about racial equality, but racial revenge. For people like Bell, X, Wright, and most of the race-hustlers out there, there will not be equality until there is superiority. That’s the clinging hope for the left, that race will save the day. Whether it is “hispanics” or, as in 2008, “white guilt”, or as we’ve shown dozens and dozens of times- black prejudice- the left is hitching its wagon to race.

    And it is frankly pretty sad.

    Like I said, I didn’t see the Hannity bit, but for me, the issue is not about race with Bell, but Obama’s constant association with radical extremists. If any one of the GOP candidates had spent even a minutes time with someone preaching or espousing racial hate, they would be burned at the stake. Yet, we know Obama’s political career was launched from the living room of a known terrorist, his personal mentor was a known racist and, apparently, his champion in college (a segment of his life that he is working very hard to keep from the public eye) was another radical racist. When Brietbart spoke at CPAC, he said that we were going to vet Obama like he was never vetted before, which REQUIRES that his affiliations and associations be exposed to sunlight. This is just a part of that.

    At the end of the day, it will be his policies that lead to his defeat. Obama will fall under the weight of the decisions and actions- or lack thereof- he has made in office. This interesting, but ultimately a side issue. $5 gasoline, 9+% unemployment and Obamacare (truly a lose-lose for him) will bring the Messiah back to earth, and all the MSM halos in the world can’t change that.

  • 12. James  |  March 8, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Rutherford, the video was not as flashy as Rev Wrights, but it still should have been released, even if it was submerged. I

    My history of the subject is rusty, but here is how I remember it. Around 1900 Booker T. Washington was a civil rights leader who believed blacks could progress in society as other descriminated minorities did through assimilation. Hard work and adoption of American values would take them to the promised land.
    Washington was a favorite of politicians and he was touted as a fine example for blacks and other Americans.

    WEB Debois believed race was more important than economic assimilation because black skins would always stand out and separate his race from the majority society. Blacks needed to be independent and as separate from the dominant society as possible.

    He was disdainful of what he considered Washington’s accomodation. I don’t know if he called Washington an Uncle Tom, but I got the impression he would have. His separatism reminded me of Malcolm X in his angry days.

    I think Debois became a communist and moved to Africa. You’d have to look it up, because I don’t remember.

    I can understand both view points. Some of my ancestors were Fins. They had hard time in the US, and they suffered discrimination at home when Sweden controlled their country. In fact there was a movement to deport Fins under the Asian Exclusion Act. The Finish side of my family was blond and white though some had slanted eyes and other subtle Asian features. . They chose to get ahead by declaring themselves Swedes. As you know, some blacks passed as white for similar reasons.

  • 13. an800lbgorilla  |  March 8, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    Another case in point: Overall views of Obama’s Presidency-
    • National Adults Success (44%), Failure (50%)
    • Independents Success (42%), Failure (53%)

    The pResident has not enjoyed majority support from independents since June 2009. That isn’t gonna change and it is going to be a big part of his defeat in November.

  • 14. poolman  |  March 8, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    I am ever amazed how we are able to take stupid to new heights. Just when I think we’ve peaked, someone dumps a fresh load of it on top.

    Flabbergasted, I believe best describes that emotion I’m feeling after viewing the Breitbart/CNN footage.

    This is what the whole “big bomb” video releases are about? :roll:

    “You’re racist. No, you’re the racist. No YOU”RE a racist. No, YOU ARE! NO, YOU! YOU!! YOU!!! LA LA LA LA La la la la la la la la la lal la lal laa la la la lal al…aaaargh!

    Obviously, we need to add spin to the video it in order to convince all the racists what racism is or isn’t. And, of course, throw in a little anti-semitic rhetoric to boot.

    Rabbit, this is why I would never put an “R” after my name. I’m starting to think that “R” has multiple connotations.

  • 15. Rutherford  |  March 8, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    At the end of the day, it will be his policies that lead to his defeat.

    Well it’s good to see that you ultimately agree with me, :-) This Hannity/Breitbart race card is a side show completely irrelevant to the real issues of the day.

  • 16. an800lbgorilla  |  March 8, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    This Hannity/Breitbart race card is a side show” – R

    That pales in comparisson to the race card show the left has put on for the last four years. Just putting it into proper context…

  • 17. dead rabbit  |  March 8, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    As already mentioned, it’s glaring evidence of blow job the MSM gave Obama during his campaign.

    It’s an important conversation to have and I’m glad these videos of Obama are being forced on to the center stage.

    I don’t expect a guy who followed the media’s lead over the shooting in Arizona to ever get this. So, I will yawn while he whines about Sean Hannity.

    There is a reason that chick from CNN got so bitchy, and it had nothing to do with Barack Obama.

  • 18. an800lbgorilla  |  March 8, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Yup.

    MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — It might be one of the biggest issues in the upcoming presidential election. Last night, CBS News exit polls found 77 percent of those voting in seven Super Tuesday states say rising gas prices were an important factor in their vote.

  • 19. poolman  |  March 8, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    Gas prices are MANipulated™, Magilla, and NOT by Obama. They own his ass, not the other way around. He isn’t billionaire club yet.

    This is being used against him. Come on, sell it more convincingly. I preferred the Ron anti-semitism slant better.

  • 20. dead rabbit  |  March 8, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Poolman, I thought you were a member of the Ba’ath party.

    You should put a “B” next to your name.

  • 21. poolman  |  March 8, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Silly rabbit, that was Baaa party, as in sheep. :wink:

  • 22. dead rabbit  |  March 8, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    Gas prices are MANipulated™

    Explain how that is, please.

  • 23. poolman  |  March 8, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    You’re the teacher bunny. They took our dollars off gold and tied them to the oil. As they print “money” the dollar devalues as oil floats, staying with the worthless paper while our government subsidies and the world monetary men play the economic impacts to the consumer in slow bumps rather than follow true supply demand (real intrinsic value) exchanges.

  • 24. poolman  |  March 8, 2012 at 10:07 pm

  • 25. El Tigre  |  March 8, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    “Pray tell what is the REAL story?”

    The veracity of Obama’s claims about his prior affiliations and sympathies and the media’s complicity in keeping them from scrutiny.

    And you applaud Solidad? :roll: She was like that twit that accused the senator (I think) of knowing nothing of economics then challenging with a question to the effect of “what do you know about economics, do you have degree in economics?” — only to learn that he had an advanced degree in economics from a prestigious institution compared to her communications degree (or whatever).

    Republican “guilt by association” while the left is screaming at Romney for not denouncing Limbaugh? Heavens to Mergutroid.

    Well let’s do get to talking about Obama’s “accomplishments” with the economy. All I hear are crickets. He’d like to talk about anything but the economy.

  • 26. poolman  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:39 am

    What did presidents do about controlling gas prices in the past?

  • 27. dead rabbit  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:45 am

    Explain how oil wouldn’t also “float” if we were on the gold standard?

    The “petro dollar” was the best thing about going off gold/silver! That’s why I can’t believe we squandered this advantages situation by burying ourselves in so much debt that low interest rates and constant easing is needed to such a degree.

    Fiat global currency cooked up in the USA was awesome. Its too bad we had no restraint.

    The spike in price wasn’t manipulated. It reflects current energy policy and geopolitical instability.

    Blaming speculators is ignorant.

    In fact, oil has been dirt cheap for 90% of your life.

    Have you really given any thought about how deflationary a gold backed currency would be? 2 billion Asians are shaking off poverty. These people hoard gold.

    I have no idea what a proper monetary policy should be. I’m not drinking gold standard kool aid, that’s for sure.
    Besides, I put my own damn self on the gold standard.

  • 28. poolman  |  March 9, 2012 at 1:10 am

  • 29. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 1:51 am

    The spike in price wasn’t manipulated. It reflects current energy policy and geopolitical instability.

    Rabbit I highlighted the key part of your comment. Geopolitical instability is not controlled out of the White House. To blame Obama for gas prices is absurd. And frankly I love his latest rhetorical move where he tells audiences that anyone promising $2.00 gas (are you listening Newt?) is full of sh*t.

  • 30. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 1:57 am

    There is a reason that chick from CNN got so bitchy, and it had nothing to do with Barack Obama.

    I think Soledad tossed her objectivity out the window but I wouldn’t say she got “bitchy”. Just from the little I read, Critical Race Theory cannot be boiled down to what the Breitbart editor is boiling it down to. That was Soledad’s point. Is it a controversial theory? Sure it is. Is it part of any mainstream conversation? Absolutely not. In fact one of the guys in that CNN video said that CRT was basically a theory tossed around from one professor to another with students hearing about it on the sidelines. It sounded to me like very esoteric stuff … and nothing that might inspire riots in the street … or even inspire Obama to do something “nasty” in his second term (which is Hannity and Breitbart’s implication).

  • 31. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 2:00 am

    Republican “guilt by association” while the left is screaming at Romney for not denouncing Limbaugh? Heavens to Mergutroid.

    Ehhhh no. That has NOTHING to do with guilt by association. No one is saying Romney is in any way associated with Limbaugh. Folks want Romney to denounce Limbaugh because it would show some leadership … some balls … some evidence that he is not afraid of the RushBo.

    When pols kowtow to a talk radio host, it is pretty damn embarrassing but with “how low can you go” Limbo, it happens all the time. Pathetic.

  • 32. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 2:06 am

    You know what pisses me off? Rabbit and Tigre say I get all my ideas from TV when today, for example, it feels like just the opposite. I watched Jon Stewart skewer Sean Hannity tonight and it felt like the dude had read my post first.

    I’m telling you … I oughta get PAID for this sh*t. :evil:

    P.S. Even if my articles suck, I oughta get paid for debating The Conservative Roundtable on a daily basis! :-)

  • 33. poolman  |  March 9, 2012 at 2:14 am

    It reflects current energy policy and geopolitical instability.

    Set in motion by?

    Virtual money is pretty worthless when it comes down to what do you have that I want and what I can give you that you will accept for it.

    Gold looks pretty rich, as does silver. I’m pretty fond of copper, too.

    Other things like fruits and vegetables, eggs and chickens have value.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    P.S. Even if my articles suck, I oughta get paid for debating The Conservative Roundtable on a daily basis! :smile:

    Sounds like the real deal liberal media to me. :wink:

  • 34. dead rabbit  |  March 9, 2012 at 7:35 am

    “Just from the little I read, Critical Race Theory cannot be boiled down to what the Breitbart editor is boiling it down to. ”

    Actually, its pretty much exactly what the editor said it was.

    Your recycled CNN drivel that professors liked to debate it with one another is about as immaterial as it gets.

    I was taught that stuff in college myself.

  • 35. dead rabbit  |  March 9, 2012 at 8:12 am

    As for oil, there are certainly things Obama could do to lower oil prices.

    The Middle East is spinning out of control just as McCain said it would in the debates. Some of this may have been checked by Obama if he took a more aggressive stance with Iran from day one. That being said, hindsight is 20/20 and it would be unfair to dump the instability on Obama’s lap.

  • 36. El Tigre  |  March 9, 2012 at 8:39 am

    “That has NOTHING to do with guilt by association. No one is saying Romney is in any way associated with Limbaugh. Folks want Romney to denounce Limbaugh because it would show some leadership … some balls … some evidence that he is not afraid of the RushBo.”

    Leadership? Balls? They;d be screaming at Obama if that were the case.

    You really are a Rube. The left isn’t looking for that. They;re trying to associate him with what they think is a beat down on Rush. It’s an old liberal strategy: “if you don’t denounce it, you endorse it.”

    R, sometimes you really are pathetic in your defense of the indefensible. And now you try to defend Soledad with the same level of intellectual rigor that she possessed in that interview. R, she got her ass handed to her. Plain and simple. :lol:

  • 37. El Tigre  |  March 9, 2012 at 9:02 am

    “Rabbit and Tigre say I get all my ideas from TV when today, for example, it feels like just the opposite. I watched Jon Stewart skewer Sean Hannity tonight and it felt like the dude had read my post first.”

    John Stewart? Hmmm. . . you must have thought of it first, I’m sure.

    Unfortunately, it ain’t just Tigre and Rabbit know of “The MSNBC Syndrome,” anyone that has spent any time here knows and has spoken to it too.

    Turn off the damn tv altogether R. Then try your hand at prognostication and pontification.

  • 38. El Tigre  |  March 9, 2012 at 9:04 am

    And for CRT, read up on it before blathering on about it. “But there was another guy on there that said what I wanted hear” as a substitute is just pathetic.

  • 39. James  |  March 9, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Solidiade OBrian behaved like one of the twits I’ve seen on blogs. When she was backed into a corner, her only recourse was a personal slur. Watching her sputter was the main benefit of the tape.

    I used to notice how Tex similarly skewered ideologues locked in their world views and I sometimes defended his victims after he insulted them personally. I was wrong and Tex was right about that. I think Poolman, Pfessor, others posting here, and Rutherford would have been able to hold their own against Tex, and I think they would have made the commentators look better in comparison than three members of that crew did.

    David French of The Corner National Review Online wrote that he attended Harvard two years after Obama left. The atmosphere was toxic to anyone who refused to accept radical orthodoxy thanks in part to radical professors like Derrick Bell. In 1993, GQ called the law school “Beirut on the Charles.” “Their ‘scholarship’ was unorthodox (and that is being charitable), their voices were strident ,and their student followers tended to be vicious.” The psychological hold they had over the students was “more than a little disturbing.”

    Radical was mainstream and conservative was radical. Most of the students were not leaders, they were followers. French’s reading of Obama is that he was also a follower and in the video he was doing no more or less than what other leftist law students were doing.

    French also believes Obama, like many of the national press, who identify with him are sponges who absorb whatever doctrine they are exposed to.Their capacity for independent thought beyond their ideologys is limited. Hence, Obama changed a bit when he encountered the radical society of Chicago, and he changed again in other venues like Washington. Hard core radicals, are the OWS types. Law school Obama would have been a different president than he is.

    Thus, “I’m not sure that the videos tell us much at all about the man who sits in the White House.”

  • 40. James  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:18 am

    The left didn’t care about Rush, except as a weapon against the right. Insisting that Romney disavow Rush was a transparent trap.

    When oil prices surged during the Bush administration, Democrats blamed their association with big oil and claimed it was some sort of plot to enrich Bush and Cheney’s friends. They even started Congressional investigations.

    Now, high prices are beyond the ability of the president or anyone else to influence. Its true we cannot dictate oil prices, but Obama could do more than he has. Obama has said he wants oil prices to rise, only not as fast as they have risen. He said his policies would bankrupt coal energy companies. He opposes the Keystone Pipeline and he restricts companies from extracting more oil from government land. High energy prices make green energy produced by Obama allies more competitive than it is now. The increased drilling he bragged about is mostly the result of Clinton’s and Bush’s policies.

    It is simplistic to say that Bush sent oil prices down when he said the government would allow drilling almost everywhere, but it is more than coincidence that prices fell after his announcement. Psychology and anticipation of the future do influence prices.

  • 41. PFesser  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:22 am

    OT- A homeschooler friend sent me this. His take on it was, this is what happens when you pull your kids out of public school and take away the distractions. Maybe so, maybe not, but these kids are GOOD…

  • 42. El Tigre  |  March 9, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Poolman, homeschooling? Why that would be an exemption from the “laws of the land.” We can’t tolerate that in an ordered society. There’s curriculum standards and possible religious influences that might creep into the home. Songs of praise can only be tolerated if they’re for Dear Leader. . . umm, umm, um. . . Barack Hussein Obama. . . umm, umm, um.

  • 43. El Tigre  |  March 9, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Sorry. PF.

  • 44. PFesser  |  March 9, 2012 at 11:57 am

    ET –

    I have to tell you, I have a very mixed opinion about homeschooling. Certainly the public schools are as worthless as a whistle on a chamber-pot.

    I think it might be appropriate to set national standards and national testing, since the State has a vested interest in an educated populace. I’ve seen some homeschooled kids who were really, really good and a larger majority who were as ignorant as the day they were born. Among the best- and broadest-educated have been the Amish kids. I have no problem with the moms/dads educating their kids about their religion, but they have to teach them other things too.

    (And that would, by the way, include evolution as part of their science curriculum. Back to the “play in my sandbox, play by my rules” thing.)

    That was my friend’s opinion, not mine, BTW. Mine as above.

  • 45. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    I was taught that stuff in college myself.

    Holy cow Rabbit!!! And you didn’t go get melanin injections, reject your white supremacist race, and become a raving radical???!!!

    I mean let’s face it … just hugging Derrick Bell turns you into a racist radical right?

  • 46. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Some of this may have been checked by Obama if he took a more aggressive stance with Iran from day one.

    I just saw an interview with Trita Parsi who wrote a book “A Single Roll of the Dice: Obama’s Diplomacy with Iran”. He states among other things that there were numerous occasions when the US and Iran could have made win/win agreements but that our skepticism of Iran’s sincerity kept those deals from happening. So contrary to your assertion, Obama may have been too tough on Iran, favoring sanctions instead of “I scratch your back you scratch mine” deals that might have lured Iran into the community of civilized nations.

  • 47. poolman  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    If you want them REALLY educated, some homeschooling is important. Today’s public schools are not giving them an adequate education and some important skills are not being learned.

    I think it is state’s laws that allow/disallow it. Revenues are doled out based on attendance to most public school districts. I would never vote that kids HAD to receive a public education. Ron Paul wants to eliminate the Department of Education. I’m good with that.

    My wife has been considering homeschooling my grandkids, if my daughter and SIL are good with it. Of course his parents are retired educators in the public schools, so THAT would be a tough sell. They would need to come up with some funding for materials, but those costs are quite reasonable nowadays.

    I go over their homework and help them with some of it, when they have questions. They are smart kids, but most of the lessons are pretty lame and kids get distracted easily. It needs to challenge and generally lacks in that aspect. Too many kids in each class makes it difficult to focus on each specific child’s needs and often they are just getting in trouble out of boredom.

    Another one-size-fits-all example where society is in epic fail mode.

    My daughters started out homeschooled, then went to private school, then public schools. That was before the vast resources that are available to today’s homeschoolers. I want to say it was “Bob Jones university” that provided much of the materials for them. I think that’s right. That was “Christian-based” material, I believe, as most people that I knew back then that did homeschool were also Christians.

    Kids should get exposure to both, I think, and be able to pass basic knowledge exams upon “graduation.” I really think ongoing learning and education is important, even after graduation. If we expect our youth to be equipped with the skills to handle the real world, which public education graduates today are woefully lacking, we need to get involved and have skin in the game.

  • 48. El Tigre  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    “I mean let’s face it … just hugging Derrick Bell turns you into a racist radical right?”

    But thank God he didn’t hear of Palin or he’d have turned into a gun-toting murderer.

  • 49. PFesser  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    R –

    Here is the reason I get impatient with you about this race shit.

    We are standing here wringing our hands about whether someone has outraged our delicate sensibilities and the Chinese are putting up skyscrapers in fifteen days. Completely unheard of heretofore.

    Jesus Christ, get a life. Figure out what is important and see if you can influence young people you know to do the same. Stop worrying about whether someone slighted you and focus on getting the kids educated, the government printing presses under control and capitalism back in the driver’s seat – so we can all, especially our descendants – have a decent damned life.

  • 50. El Tigre  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    “I just saw an interview with Trita Parsi . . .”

    MSNBC or Comedy Central after MSNBC? :lol:

  • 51. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    R, she got her ass handed to her. Plain and simple.

    I disagree. The main premise of her interview was “where’s the bombshell?”. There wasn’t any bombshell. It’s manufactured garbage. Good for her for calling it out.

    As for the dude she interviewed Joel Pollack, and Ben Shapiro, another Breitbart guy I’ve seen on this subject … I am relatively sure they’re both Jewish. They have every reason to be critical of Bell’s theories and every reason not to be objective. But they’re gonna have to work a lot harder to pull Obama into the mess.

  • 52. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Turn off the damn tv altogether R. Then try your hand at prognostication and pontification.

    Do I get to read a newspaper? How the hell do you expect me to know what is going on?

  • 53. El Tigre  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    “I disagree.”

    You would. :roll:

    She looked like a fool and had no idea what she was talking about. He asked her to explain a half-dozen times and she couldn’t. It was funny and difficult to watch.

    What are you so scared of Rutherford. . . does the white Breitbart guy scare you? :lol: :lol:

    Embarrassing.

  • 54. El Tigre  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    “Do I get to read a newspaper?”

    Yes. You may read a paper. But be bold and try something other than NY Times or some other surrogate cheerleader for Obama.

  • 55. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    And for CRT, read up on it before blathering on about it.

    I DID do some introductory reading on it before writing this piece. I don’t know enough about it to speak authoritatively but I do believe it’s more than just “hate whitey”.

    Knock off the condescension. I actually read stuff and check sources before writing this stuff. I seldom just wing it.

    I’m going to tell you what I used to tell Tex. Start writing your own blog if you wanna demonstrate your idea of blogging integrity and originality.

  • 56. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Thus, “I’m not sure that the videos tell us much at all about the man who sits in the White House.”

    James I will say this. I do often wonder if Obama has a core belief system. My fuzzy memories of Reagan 30 years ago was that you had a sense of what he truly believes.

    I think the great irony in the race between Romney and Obama is neither man is truly an ideologue. They are both political animals.

  • 57. poolman  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Regarding 49, I guess the only thing they should fear is a wayward commercial jet with a couple box-cutter wielding Saudi pilots. :wink:

  • 58. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    Ehhh PF how does your friend know the Banjo Boys are home schooled? As for your maybe yes, maybe no …. you’re way too kind. Public schools in rich neighborhoods have great music programs. Parents with sufficient bandwidth can keep distractions to a minimum.

    I am VERY skeptical about home schooling. Most parents aren’t great teachers and kids develop social skills outside the home.

  • 59. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    OK Pfesser, first a question. What construction standards do the Chinese have? I wouldn’t set foot in a skyscraper built in two weeks. Nothing to brag about … the time frame tells me poor workmanship, corners cut big time and probably a corrupt building inspection system.

    As for wringing of hands etc. I hate to go all school yard on you but the conservatives started it. The whole point of this post is that the folks who get their undies in a knot over “the race card” don’t have any problem playing it when it suits their purposes.

    You’re absolutely right. We all need to stop griping and get going. But I’m damn sure going to call out hypocrisy when I see it.

  • 60. PFesser  |  March 9, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    R –
    I just googled these kids up. They’re homeschooled – you can find it in several places.

    re: race card. I DO think is is unreasonable to say that all peoples, who have been separated since they left Africa 2M years ago, have absolutely equivalent gifts. If you don’t believe that, use the usual benchmark and take a look at professional sports. It’s silly to think there are not other differences in abilities too, but they are small enough that it is also silly to waste time discussing it. We have a LOT bigger fish to fry. We need to get our priorities straight.

  • 61. PFesser  |  March 9, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    re: Chinese standards. I have heard that several places; it is a common criticism. The Chinese say they are doing the construction by a different method that involves a lot of prefab work at the factory and in fact their standards are HIGHER.

    Doesn’t matter. This is a quantum leap in construction methods. Hell, the govt couldn’t even dig a f’in ditch in Boston on time and under budget.

  • 62. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    MSNBC or Comedy Central after MSNBC?

    F*ck you … it was Comedy Central. Would it have been more credible if I’d read about it in the Wall Street Journal or seen it on Fox?

    I know the dude is a comedian but the truth is Jon Stewart does serious interviews. Forget who’s asking the questions and listen to what Parsi had to say.

    http://www.niacouncil.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=8006&security=1&news_iv_ctrl=-1

  • 63. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    But be bold and try something other than NY Times or some other surrogate cheerleader for Obama.

    Any suggestions, Arbiter of Objectivity? How ’bout the Christian Science Monitor? I’ve always heard they are pretty objective.

    What’s funny is some media outlets would ignore 50% of what is covered on Fox and MSNBC. I suspect on a serious news outlet, the Bell brouhaha would never see the light of day.

  • 64. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    PF, I will give you this … it’s a cryin’ shame that Ground Zero stayed a smoldering pit as long as it did.

    We don’t get anything done with any speed anymore. Even though I join those who laugh at Newt and his lunar colony, I have to admit the man is thinking in the right direction. This country has no ambition anymore. We don’t strive …. we just try to survive. :-(

  • 65. poolman  |  March 9, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    You cannot build that fast here in the US. Inspections and onsite material testing, many requiring specific lapsed times to test cure strengths for concrete, for instance.

    Then we have all the union requirements which greatly slows production time and increases cost, which is probably more in line with Pfesser’s gripes, along with permitting, zoning, and other bureaucratic red tape.

    That example was a prefab building being installed. Prefab are generally engineered to withstand more severe conditions than the site where they are erected at may experience. Assembly per design specs is most critical.

    The auto industry is prefab, Rutherford. You feel safe driving 60 plus mpg down the road in a prefab product, but fear something that is much stronger and stable? I don’t know, seems silly to me.

    That building looks as if it would easily hold up to anything nature could throw at it, at least the nature we have been familiar with in our lifetimes. Maybe if the force of gravity waned, it would tumble, but it appeared they were using gravity toward their advantage.

  • 66. El Tigre  |  March 9, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    “F*ck you … it was Comedy Central.”
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    I’ll watch your video. . . I’ll watch . . .

  • 67. James  |  March 9, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    As I wrote, the bombshell was the three commentators’ reactions to the video. Derrick Bell still reminds me of WEB Dubois.

    Rutherford, if Obama has no real ideology, I have read things elsewhere to support Mr. French and our suspicions. Obama’s father abandoned him before they met, and his mother did too as she farmed him out to relatives while she roamed around the world.

    A former classmate in Indonesia said Obama wanted desperately to fit in and tried his best. However, classmates often made fun of him. A communist helped raise Obama and became a father figure. I saw kids like that. We called them Air Force Brats.They had to learn quickly how to fit in because they moved so often.

    You are probably right about Romney too. He is a businessman who who now sells ideas made to order.

    I report weather to the Weather Service and several television stations. I know the weather men. . Gary Shore in Sioux City was a born again Christian and an all around good man. He was probably the only television meteorologist who was given a vote of gratitude by a state legislature.

    He died at home while preparing a forecast. At the funeral, we learned he was not who we thought he was. Gary had been so bright he was sent several grades ahead in school and he was bullied because of his small size. His mother’s new boyfriend didn’t like him, so Gary’s mother sent him to live with relatives. They tried to abandon him too.

    At the funeral, we learned that who we knew was a mask hiding the real Gary. Even his name was not real.The first song played at his funeral was Gordon Lightfoot’s “If You Could Read my Mind.” He was truly a “ghost that you can’t see.” Maybe it is true of Obama and Romney. If so had Obama hugged Sarah Palin, he would be field- dressing moose today.

  • 68. James  |  March 9, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Rutherford and Poolman, you helped make Pfessor’s point. Does anyone think we could have built Hoover Dam today?

  • 69. thorsaurus  |  March 9, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    I wonder if Obama hates his right arm or his left arm? I wonder if he called his mom a white colonialist when she asked him to make his bed?

    Or maybe … we have much bigger problems to face than this stupid shit.

    Didn’t this guy hang with Thurgood Marshall? I mean, really? At least Donald can rest easy now, knowing that Obama really did go to Harvard. ;)

  • 70. PFesser  |  March 9, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    poolman – this should be right up your alley. I picked it up at FlightAware – a flight-planning Website for pilots.

    http://tsaoutofourpants.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/1b-of-nude-body-scanners-made-worthless-by-blog-how-anyone-can-get-anything-past-the-tsas-nude-body-scanners/

    R – you wonder why conservatives think the government is incapable of doing anything right – there is a good example of why: they are.

  • 71. dead rabbit  |  March 9, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    R, you keep telling us you read up on CRT but have not said one thing about it.

    If that editor was wrong, and apparently you think so as you cheered on an embarrassingly flustered CNN reporter, how?

    Your insecurity cracks me up. I can always tell when your nervous. You go with a shot gun approach.

    Uh uh uh…that Jew was wrong about CRT. Uh..uh…uh what that one guy said, its nothing but bantering between professors. Uh..uh..Obama didn’t believe it. Uh…Hannity is racist!

    Why can’t you just admit the truth?

    The MSM didn’t properly vet Obama and Obama’s political career was born out of the womb of the radical left. It is what it is.

  • 72. dead rabbit  |  March 9, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    1. Some public schools perform awesome.

    2. Some perform horrible.

    3. All are too expensive.

    4. It doesn’t matter if the Feds have a vested interest in an educated populace, curriculum is none of their business.

    5. Nobody can agree on how curriculum should be crafted or what it should be. Thus, it should be a decision for the local, elected school board and no one else. If that means CRT or intelligent design is taught, so be it. Its called freedom.

    6. Home schooling can be effective. It also can be a disaster.

    7. Abolish the DoE. Save money.

    8. Americans lag in math and science because they choose to. For many people, being an engineer or programmer is not what they want to do. Long hours. Monotony. 2 of my brothers have chosen this path. They are miserable and curse the day they chose this career path.

  • 73. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    To Pfesser and Poolman, I admit I didn’t take the prefab nature of the construction into account. But then is the 15 day build a true measure. How long did it take to construct the prefab parts?

    The ideal world I guess combines the Chinese build techniques with American safety standards.

  • 74. PFesser  |  March 9, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    DR –

    Thanks. I had not considered your points before.

    It seems to me though that rugged individualism only goes so far, even though I am very libertarian. The country *as a whole* has to be considered, since if the country fails, individuals fail – lots of individuals. If my whole country is in poverty, so are my kids and yours, so I have an interest in seeing that my *country* has an interest in its citizens doing well, if that convoluted mess makes any sense. In other words, the country has a duty to its citizens, but they have a duty to their country, too.

    Technology makes the country prosper. Advancing technology means more goods and services for less human work – that is to say, it improves human *productivity* and that is how you prosper in the final analysis. Technology comes about through science, math and engineering. To that end it seems that the collective “we” – whether through the county school board – my preference – or the Feds (yich!) have a right and responsibility to set some standards that the system has to meet. And by system I mean the school side and the children’s side, too.

    Thoughts?

  • 75. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Uh…Hannity is racist!

    I actually never said that. I said he played the race card. There’s a difference.

    As for CRT, I said about as much about it in the post as I knew from a tiny bit of reading. Besides the belief that whites help blacks only when it is in their self interest, CRT rejects assimilation and suggests that blacks operate on their own, separate from whites.

    Rabbit, you may have learned it in college. I didn’t and I’d go so far as to say virtually no one on this blog ever heard of Derrick Bell or CRT before Breitbart brought it to light. This is not mainstream theory and I’d wager dollars to donuts it flourished within academia only. And I’m still waiting to hear how Obama was an advocate of CRT.

    Thor is right, Bell did work alongside Thurgood Marshall back in the day. Of course, that won’t win him any points in this forum. ;-)

  • 76. El Tigre  |  March 9, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    “Of course, that won’t win him any points in this forum”

    Why?

  • 77. El Tigre  |  March 9, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Rabbit, the title should’ve been:

    “Rutherford Plays The Race Card”

  • 78. James  |  March 9, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    Liberals play the race card when cornered. Its one reason I don’t like them as a group.Three of those commentators support my point. I like individuals though.

    From “Faces at the Bottom of the Well:The Permanence of Racism”:

    White people “achieve a measure of social stability through an unspoken pact to keep blacks on the bottom.” He also railed against white on black crime but ignored the fact that blacks commit crimes against whites, and most blacks are victims of crimes committed by blacks. Whites need black crime because the criminals help manufactures of prison uniforms earn good profits.

    Bell predicted that instead of blacks killing one another, “they should go out in gangs and kill a whole lot of white people.” The key to the twenty-first century is to wipe out the white race as a social category.

    LIke Bell , Regina Austin was a Critical Race Theory supporter, and she was the visiting professor the protesters wanted to have tenure. It was against the rules to give visiting professors tenure. Bell didn’t just want a female professor. She had to think black, in other words, like him.

    In their opinion, blacks are not obligated to accept traditional values or conformity to the law. Such communities require an alternative source of legal authority.

    Sarah Palin’s husband flirted with a national separatist party, and for a few days, commentators wondered if it should disqualify Palin.

    We should have known about this and more before the last election. Then, we could have decided whether or not to disregard the information.

    What the liberal media did to us was criminal.

  • 79. an800lbgorilla  |  March 9, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    My latest conquest…

  • 80. dead rabbit  |  March 9, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    “The country *as a whole* has to be considered, since if the country fails, individuals fail – lots of individuals.”-Pf

    There are countless areas where your statism could apply. The most obvious being in health care.

    Perhaps snow boarding, cigar smoking and competitive softball should be banned or seriously regulated. After all, they put unfair burden on the collective. Lets ban anyone from owning muscle cars. Boardwalk police could issue tickets for those with excessive sunburns. Motorcycles outlawed.

    Hell, why not enforce a one child law?

    As for what seems to be an almost nationally agreed upon fear that we are losing our edge technologically, I’m not sure I even buy the premise in the first place.

    Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, medicine, drone aircraft so cheap that the middle class can soon own them, gesture-recognition systems that will create smart phones out of our hands, molecular computing, robo-surgery, paint that communicates structural problems in bridges electronically (and can even fix them)…the list goes on.

    These technological advancements aint coming out of Beijing or New Deli, they’re coming out of places like Pittsburgh!

    I’m not saying we should be complacent. I respect your urgency and the importance you give to tech advancements.

    I just don’t buy that the Asians our kicking our ass. I insist our rugged individualism (whats left of it) spawns these inventions.

    The Asians out work us. No doubt. They bow down to authority and will sleep at the office, without a care in the world about tomorrow’s body odor.

    But, they don’t think out of the box.

    Sadly, people like you, even ones who self-identify as libertarians, seem hell bent on building boxes.

  • 81. dead rabbit  |  March 9, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    That’s a great point about Palin, James.

  • 82. dead rabbit  |  March 9, 2012 at 5:56 pm

  • 83. poolman  |  March 9, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    Sarah Palin’s husband flirted with a national separatist party,

    I believe he was an active member of AIP for 8 years and only disavowed them when SP was considered for VP.

    Just sayin… if that’s flirting?

  • 84. James  |  March 9, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    Thanks rabbit and for posting the video.

    I heard a Chinese man tell his seat mate on an air line what you wrote in 80.

    Maher is worse than a pig. Bell was a racist.

  • 85. dead rabbit  |  March 9, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    One more thing on education. And I know many conservatives here would not agree with me on this one.

    But, i would bet that if we gave a standardized test such as the ACT to the same group that we do now, say in 1950 or 1960, 1970 even 1980….it would be proven our kids our far more educated now.

    Gone our the days of a huge chunk of kids dropping out to work on the farm, in the mine or in the factory.

    Even mediocre schools offer classes that simply didn’t exist 40 years ago.

    I hear it from parents all the time. They say their kid is doing homework they didn’t even have to do in college. They have problems helping them.

    yup……I am saying that we have improved in terms of education.

    it’s just that kids who used to not matter…minorities, rural, blue collar……are now in the equation.

    Don’t get me wrong. There are a ton of problems. For one, it’s ridiculously expensive. Secondly, it doesn’t stress entrepreneurship and seems to be more of a bureaucrat factory that stresses liberal arts way too much. Third, it’s main emphasis seems to revolve around the lowest common denominator of student to the point of ignoring the cream at the top. Lastly, there is an unhealthy obsession of giving every kid who struggles some sort of victim card and accommodations by way of clinically labeling them with a disability (and often times drugging them).

  • 86. James  |  March 9, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    I was too lazy to look up Mr. Palin, so I wrote in general terms. Hence “flirted”.’ One can also say Obama “flirted” with radicals.

    Dead rabbit made some good points.

  • 87. poolman  |  March 9, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    What’s the video’s point? Is it that Bill Maher is crude? Or is this a six degrees of separation experiment?

    Let me guess… following the logic (I know that gives it a bit of weightiness that may be unmerited) on this: Maher continually debases humans, primarily the so-called conservatives in our public society, including many women in his HBO show (available to adults that PAY to subscribe to it – and THAT IS HIS ACT) and he supports Obama’s reelection campaign (making a PUBLIC announcement of a one million dollar contribution) and therefore it is in some way hypocritical or making Obama appear so (if he accepts it) and serves as a “double standard” in the face of the outcry against right wing Limbaugh and his recent calling a college student a slut repeatedly over the free radio air waves.

    Yeah, yeah, I I see see the the double double standard standard. :roll:

  • 89. James  |  March 9, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    The point of the video is Bill Mahre is a serial misogynous who hides behind the word “entertainer’ to spew his venum. Conservatives are finally being energized to fight back as Mr. Pollak did to the panel and Joe the Plumber did this week on another show.

    Obama and others have criticized Rush for one vile statement while virtually ignoring others like Bill.

    Obama also accepts money from the man. He has a right to donate the money, and Obama has a right to accept. The hyprocacy lies in the lack of uproar about liberal insults while trashing Rush.

    To say college student presents an unfair image. Ms Fluke is a 30 year – old law student and organizer who enrolled in part to change the university’s contraceptive policy. She may also have White House connections, thanks to one of Obama’s former staff workers. Liberals in the press are portraying her as something she is not–a young twenty something student who is still vulnerable.

    It is so simple, I’m surprised you don’t understand.

    Here is a version which is easier to understand. Suppose you get an A and Fred gets a B though all of your course work is identical. That is a double standard. look it up in the dictionary if you still don’t understand.

    Suppose six bullies pick on you and your friends at school. They call you names and steal your lunch money. One day, you get tired of it and tell teachers what is happening.

    Let me know if you still don’t “get” it, and I will try again.

    Ed Schultz is another fat pig, and rich too.

  • 90. poolman  |  March 9, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    James, I have no problem UNDERSTANDING what a double standard IS, I have difficulty seeing this as an example of one. With the student example you gave, it’s obvious as the CIRCUMSTANCES are the same.

    Rush broadcasts his slurs over the air about a student (age is immaterial) providing testimony and Maher broadcasts to a closed audience and slurs public personalities.

  • 91. dead rabbit  |  March 9, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Palin’s handicapped child is a public figure?

  • 92. poolman  |  March 9, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    I think Dennis Miller still does an act on HBO. He did at one time, maybe he’s putting his talents to other use nowadays. I would compare his treatment in that case to Bill Maher. That would be a double standard. If the left criticized Miller while ignoring the same treatment from Maher, it WOULD be a double standard.

    Or if someone like your buddy Ed Schultz publicly slurred a student (age immaterial) that was testifying before a committee regarding something conservatives favored.

  • 93. poolman  |  March 9, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    I didn’t say Palin’s handicapped child was a public figure. Palin IS however, and she displayed her child publicly and often.

  • 94. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    I think Poolman’s distinction is valid.

    To address Rabbit’s point: The Trig Palin angle is tricky and as some know it got me in big trouble with Tex and others here. I submit that when Maher invoked Trig, he was making fun of the mother, not the child. I’ve claimed the same about my comment that got me in hot water.

    Now one could argue the minute you bring the kid into the commentary/joke you are ipso facto picking on the kid. I think it’s more subtle than that and I think to circle back to the whole Fluke affair, that the Trig stuff is manufactured outrage meant to silence critics of Palin.

    P.S. The truly unfortunate thing about Trig is not his disability but his mother’s lies about his birth. But I won’t go there (wups … I just did.) (Pfesser, can I get an amen?)

    P.P.S. There is a contrast to the jokes/comments made about Sarah vis-a-vis Trig vs the A-Rod joke about Bristol/Willow Palin made by Letterman. That joke was a direct hit on a kid, not a slam on the mother. Whole different thing that deservedly got Letterman in hot water.

  • 95. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Tigre, I didn’t know that you and your conservative brethren were Thurgood Marshall fans. ;-)

  • 96. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Poolman, I think it’s interesting to contrast how Palin and Santorum have handled their similarly disabled children. One could argue Santorum’s child is in graver condition than Trig. Still it is interesting that Santorum pays tribute to her often but doesn’t cart her around like a prop.

    I think that says something. Then again, it could be argued that Sarah is proud of Trig and wants everyone to see him. If she “hid” him she’d take a hit for that. So I guess it all comes down to liking or not liking Palin.

    BTW, I will be watching “Game Change” on HBO tomorrow night and ladies and gentlemen from what I hear it is surprisingly sympathetic to Sarah Palin.

  • 97. Rutherford  |  March 9, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    I bet in her wildest dreams Sarah Palin never thought she’d be portrayed by Julianne Moore. :-)

  • 98. muffymcd  |  March 9, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    This “but it’s comedy” line of reasoning is brilliant. And this is not a racist rant…

  • 99. PFesser  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    “Palin’s handicapped child is a public figure?”

    Firstly, Palin HAS no handicapped child. Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride from Texas – where there are dozens of high-risk obstetrical departments to handle a known Down’s birth – to Bumfuck Alaska, where she was supposedly delivered by a family practitioner in a hospital without even a NICU – was completely bogus.

    But, assuming she did, it was she who exploited the poor baby-prop for political gain, not the people who called her out on it.

    It’s pretty rich to watch otherwise perfectly rational people try to conflate Palin’s abusive treatment of the baby-prop with an “attack” on the baby-prop by the complainers. I’ll give you a leg up: They are sympathetic to the poor Down’s baby, not abusing it. That is being done by its surrogate mother – Sara Palin herself.

  • 100. PFesser  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Which reminds me: the Model Mother hasn’t been seen in public with the baby-prop in months. Want to know why?

    He doesn’t live with her any more.

    On that topic: We’re having a “Game Change” party at my house tomorrow night. The usual suspects are coming and we are going to do wings on the barbie while we watch Sarah Palin be eviscerated before our very eyes. It doesn’t get any better than that.

  • 101. James  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    You are splitting hairs.

    Fluke made herself a public person when she spoke at Nancy Pelosi’s gathering. It was not an official committee and she was not under oath. Her age and experience are material. She is an experienced adult who is able to suffer the slings and arrows of real life. She is being reped by a public relations firm managed by Anita Dunn, the former Obama communications director. The tone of some, including Obama implied she was a waif. It was done to make it look as if Rush was even worse than he was. Nevertheless, Fluke didn’t deserve what she got from Rush, but Obama’s allies made the most of it..

    I don’t know what Dennis Miller has done. If he threw out obscene insults he should be criticized too. My understanding is that Bill Mahre inflicted his insults on his HBO show, not at a private club entertaining ticket buyers.

    The point is Rush was harshly criticized for something nasty, and Bill, including some other liberals were barely touched. No one I know of tried to get them fired.

    That is a double standard. Generally speaking, the circumstances are the same. Both men and others while in public venues, insulted public figures. You both seem a little hazy on the definition of double standard.

    Some good may be coming from this. Louis CK has suddenly canceled his performance at the Radio & T.V. Congressional Correspondents dinner. Greta Van Susteren said she wouldn’t attend if that “pig” was telling jokes. Apparently he is much worse than Bill. Louis must be feeling a new chill.

    What lies about Trig’s birth? Were you there? If you indulge in conspiracy theories, I don’t feel so bad about my own. Fluke was selected by Obama’s allies and used to change the subject. She was a willing participant, not a randum engineu found in the student body.

    Obama must be happy. He was in trouble over religious freedom, and now he has turned himself into a protector of women’s contraceptive rights. Say what you will about Obama. He is not a fool.

  • 102. Alfie  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    @ DR

    But, i would bet that if we gave a standardized test such as the ACT to the same group that we do now, say in 1950 or 1960, 1970 even 1980….it would be proven our kids our far more educated now.

    I think the sticking point would be the definition of “same group”.
    Contrary to the view held by many conservatives Americans have NEVER been very smart as a group. Our unique thing is that given our overall makeup,culture,freedoms etc. we have the ability to have a disproportionate amount of stars.
    As for setting the Wayback machine Sherman…. I think a group of admitted college freshman from any time up to 1970 would absolutely shellac the kids of today. Conversely I agree with you that a kid from the corner from today would be better off than the yesterday kid,not by much though. I think there’d be a lot of ups and downs depending on the topic.

  • 103. El Tigre  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    “Tigre, I didn’t know that you and your conservative brethren were Thurgood Marshall fans.”

    i want an explanation for the comment. Do you have one?

    You want to make the association, and accuse me and my “brethren” of “something.” Spell it out. I think it’s more of the “race card” — on your part.

  • 104. James  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Muffymcd, the “its comedy” line of reasoning is brilliant, but it isn’t funny. Its sad. I read that “Kramer” was being heckled and he lost his temper. That outburst seriously damaged his career, though he applogised.

    We don’t have cable so we won’t be watching “Game Change” KFAB Omaha’s movie critic said the movie is full of lies and exaggerations, but it is so well done and entertaining he gave it 4 stars.

  • 105. El Tigre  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Where’s Obama’s leadership and balls with Maher R? He is the “leader” of the country. Mitt is a candidate that is being berated by the left for not denouncing a radio personality. Where’s your rage?

    Poolman, the comments about Palin and he family are despicable. The fact that you dumb asses expect people to follow your tortured logic that they’re fair game based on meaningless distinctions is despicable too.

    Take the million with one hand, and accuse the right of complicity in Limbaugh’s bullshit remarks with the other. Nice. :roll:

    Leadership, double standards, lead by example.

    Nope. Nothing to see here.

    Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

  • 106. dead rabbit  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    “To address Rabbit’s point: The Trig Palin angle is tricky ”

    Tricky? Mocking a retarded baby is deemed a “tricky” one to call?

    I need another vacation from this blog.

    Meanwhile, 9 billion Obama/Bernanke bucks were printed this month for more of Obama’s pet projects that always seem to involve failed companies and politically connected CEO’s getting huge bonuses.

    I always get suckered into this school yard bull shit about who’s being the real meanie and who isn’t at this blog.

    It always comes back to the same shit. Ignoring Obama policy, concentrating on something entirely else that was selectively deemed offensive by the left.

    I’m disappointed in myself, more then anything.

    This political cheerleader shit isn’t for me.

  • 107. James  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    We inherited some grade and high school text books from a little before and after 1900. I don’t know how many students of the same grade level could have managed. Alfie has a point.

  • 108. Alfie  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    Re China building thang…
    The Broad Group is looking forward to a rosy future. That is as long as their product doesn’t turn out to be another example of tofu dreg construction. I checked out the pdf from the Broad Gp regard the T30 Hotel. T30 appears to be a product name btw.

    From what I see the company has a little over eager outlook. They say the hotel has a life span of 600 years as long as it is inspected every 60 years. They hold that a typical life span of a 5 star hotel is 60 years.Thats just one area I was like “huh?!’ on earthquake stats are shaky too. [pun intended]

    Anyway I’m sure people remember the 13 story building that literally just laid down in ’09 in Shanghai. That was crazy. On the flip side California has a prefab Chinese built bridge now a days and the MLK ( looks like Mao) monument is here so….

  • 109. dead rabbit  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    “I think a group of admitted college freshman from any time up to 1970 would absolutely shellac the kids of today. ”

    The college kid of 1970 would be the equivalent of the top 10 percent of college kids today, since so many more kids go to college today then 1970. So, all things equal……i’d bet they are just that…equal.

  • 110. Alfie  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    @ R
    I can only say that on your Romney/ Obama comparison you get partial credit imo.
    Obama truly has NO core belief system,Romney DOES
    Obama is pragmatic,so is Romney.
    Obama has a leaning for populism but it is guarded and reserved to certain topics/policies. Romney is very open to populism especially if he views it as a means to initiate compromise/teamwork.

  • 111. Alfie  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    @109 well that kinda captures the spirit of what I meant when I said “same group”.

  • 112. Alfie  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    It always comes back to the same shit. Ignoring Obama policy, concentrating on something entirely else that was selectively deemed offensive by the left.
    Too true!

  • 113. dead rabbit  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    I guess what I’m saying is we have the same core 5% of kids who are brilliant and hardworking now as we had back in 1900.

    In 1940, more than half of the U.S. population had completed no more than an eighth grade education.

    In 1900 10.7% of the entire population was unable to read or write a lick.

    I’m probably coming off as a status quo education stooge. I swear I’m not.

  • 114. dead rabbit  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    “Contrary to the view held by many conservatives Americans have NEVER been very smart ”

    lol…..yeah…we really haven’t.

    but we used to be bad asses. liberals ruined that.

  • 115. El Tigre  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    “but we used to be bad asses. liberals ruined that.”
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • 116. Alfie  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    @DR this is actually a topic I really get in2,personally I find a number of directions we could jump in over the topic. In line with my ups and down thing though. We ask a 1940’s 8th grader and a 2012 8th grader to find say Germany on a map…Which kid do you think hits it?

    On another note,I think/recall you to be HS educator- right? Given your field though have you ever heard of Hirsch and Core Knowledge curriculum? I’m a fan,I’m a big Hater when it comes to Chicago Math,Whole Language and other fads.

    Also on a side note to the thread. Am I alone in not getting the Kony hysteria? I also have to say I’m actually nervous of a grass roots movement aimed at ultimately calling the world to act via R2P. (responsibility to protect). Thats baaaaadddd mojo folks.

  • 117. muffymcd  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Not so tricky as it is slimy.

    ~~~

    Hi James. I was being sarcastic with the Kramer clip. I really think the “it’s comedy” line of reasoning is rubbish. It’s not comedy, it’s just ugly.

    I also think thumbs up of your #101 (and hopefully that gives you a better idea of where I stand). Cheers~

    ~~~

    Tigre (#105) – good call.

  • 118. dead rabbit  |  March 9, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    “We ask a 1940′s 8th grader and a 2012 8th grader to find say Germany on a map…Which kid do you think hits it?”

    I honestly don’t know the answer to this. I’m not sure I’d bet that one. Despite what was going on at the time, I’m not sure an average sampling of American kids during 1940 would do any better.

    I could be wrong.

    On your teaching theory stuff, I think you might have forgotten more then I’ve ever known. I don’t know any of that stuff, dude.

    Personally, I don’t believe in much of it.

    It doesn’t matter how you teach them if the class has good morale. It all works. A reasonable attempt is all it takes.

    If angst rules the day, you’re done. If the class is restrictive, morale sucks. If it is out of control, class morale is even worse.

    Personally, I go with the “funny asshole” shtick. I haven’t had to write up a kid for bad behavior in 6 years (knock on wood). You have to make kids laugh. Teenagers take themselves way to seriously. But, the knuckleheads learn like little curious kids if they are cracking up about stuff. I go with a routine. I use the same jokes every year. Same stories.

    Now that my bragging is over, Alfie, let me tell you how easy it is to fuck up. And it involves what you just wrote.

    I vaguely know what this Koni stuff is.

    All of a sudden, yesterday, the kids were all asking about this Koni stuff. I don’t have Facebook, and teenagers don’t always explain things coherently, I thought they were talking about the problem of child soldiers in general. Without thinking about it, I told them it was true. Child soldiers do fight in Africa. Now, after reading what you just wrote, I think I might have conveyed this particular charity was worthy. I wasn’t even talking about the charity. I’m afraid to even look. This will make me look like a moron with their parents if they get ripped off.

    I should have just said I’d look into it, but you kind of jump over instances where the kids are showing interest about the world on their own.

    So, if you have a theory about how not to be a dumb ass, I’d greatly appreciate it. after it fixes me, I’ll share it with my class, too!

  • 119. poolman  |  March 9, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    Tigre @ 105, loosen the damn tie and rest. I never defended anyone’s rude behavior. I only point that you righties are just as wrong as the lefties when it comes to identifying the “double standard” and who’s being ugly or racist or hypocritical.

    It’s ALL ugly to me. I can only defend MY statements. The rest can stand on their own. If you slander someone, there are means of getting restitution. You of all folks SHOULD know that. Otherwise it’s just slinging shit. Whose shit stinks more is irrelevant. Shit is shit.

    It isn’t my fault if your perspective is skewed. I’m not the one calling an apple an orange.

  • 120. poolman  |  March 9, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    There are ways to get kids to learn and behave, but you have to stay ahead of them and it is very difficult if they see any weakness. They will band together to bring you down. You must first show interest and respect. Listen to their concerns and let them know you want them to succeed. If you get through, they will be more forgiving and really try. It is something you must establish soon in a school year.

    I’ve seen kids running a class and I’ve seen kids enthusiastic about learning. The difference is usually the teacher. Good teachers are the key.

  • 121. dead rabbit  |  March 9, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    Hey Poolman, check it out. More Zionist propagnda slandering Assad.

    Make sure you look at the picture for a few minutes. Let it sink in. Can you believe they staged that shit?

    http://www.economist.com/node/21548987

  • 122. dead rabbit  |  March 10, 2012 at 12:57 am

  • 123. James  |  March 10, 2012 at 12:59 am

    Hi Muffymcd,

    Thanks for the good words. I agree, that bit was ugly and painful to watch.

    As far as the the two folks with a little trouble with the double standard… when my foot is wet, don’t tell me its raining if the sun is shining.

    Tomorrow will be fun. Its convention time. Lets see how much trouble I can get into.

  • 124. poolman  |  March 10, 2012 at 1:06 am

    Rabbit, that shit is not staged. Those people are caught in the middle. That’s real anguish. How about this Kony shit…

    http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2012/03/joseph-kony-works-for-cia.html

  • 125. dead rabbit  |  March 10, 2012 at 1:13 am

    .I’m afraid to look at the Koni shit. I’d rather be oblivious to how bad I fucked up, enjoy my weekend and deal with it Monday.

    Compartmentalization. Thank God for it. :)

  • 126. poolman  |  March 10, 2012 at 1:26 am

    when my foot is wet, don’t tell me its raining if the sun is shining.

    Not a chance. But get your foot out of my mop bucket so I can finish this floor and go home.

  • 127. poolman  |  March 10, 2012 at 1:42 am

  • 128. Rutherford  |  March 10, 2012 at 2:07 am

    We’re having a “Game Change” party at my house tomorrow night. The usual suspects are coming and we are going to do wings on the barbie while we watch Sarah Palin be eviscerated before our very eyes. It doesn’t get any better than that.

    Damn PF, I’d love to catch a plane to ole Virginny to attend that shindig. Well my wife and I will be having a viewing party of our own so I’ll think of you.

    But as I said earlier in the thread, if you’re looking for Palin to be eviscerated, you’ll be sorely disappointed. From what I understand, she is going to be portrayed as a woman thrown into an unworkable situation who did the best she could. Believe it or not, the liberal Hollywood elite are going to give Palin a fair assessment. Oh well, the proof is in the pudding. We’ll see tomorrow night. Maybe the advance word on it is bogus.

  • 129. Rutherford  |  March 10, 2012 at 2:12 am

    Bill, including some other liberals were barely touched.

    No … Bill lost his job at ABC a decade ago for saying something “inappropriate” about 9/11. That’s one reason why Maher tweeted IN FAVOR of Limbaugh this week. Maher doesn’t believe anyone, even “how low can you go” Limbo should be forced off the air for what they say. It’s called free speech.

    I don’t get the problem with Louis CK. I’ve watched him on cable and some of his stuff is brilliant. He is pretty fearless but he says stuff that makes you think.

  • 130. Rutherford  |  March 10, 2012 at 2:19 am

    You want to make the association, and accuse me and my “brethren” of “something.” Spell it out. I think it’s more of the “race card” — on your part.

    Tigre, well it’s wrong for me to attribute Tex’s words to you but 99% of the time he spoke without condemnation from the conservatives on this board. I’m pretty damn sure that Tex identified Marshall as not particularly bright and a poor Justice.

    Even beyond that, he was a liberal Justice. That alone gets him a rotten egg in your book. You like Roberts, Scalia and Thomas do you not? If I’m wrong then I owe you an apology and you will receive one. (Oh, and no race card because as I said … you like Thomas.)

    P.S. In all honesty, I have read from some sources that while a brilliant civil rights attorney, Marshall was not a notable Justice. So while I don’t particularly appreciate hearing it from Tex, he may be close to the truth.

  • 131. Rutherford  |  March 10, 2012 at 2:24 am

    Obama truly has NO core belief system,Romney DOES

    I haven’t discerned Romney’s belief system, other than making lots of money …. which isn’t a bad thing. Did you have something else in mind?

  • 132. Rutherford  |  March 10, 2012 at 2:27 am

    Rabbit you talk about Apple being an example of great American innovation but who’s putting those wonders together? Cheap Chinese labor working round the clock. An American couldn’t assemble an iPad if his life depended on it.

  • 133. poolman  |  March 10, 2012 at 2:30 am

  • 134. Rutherford  |  March 10, 2012 at 2:34 am

    Alfie I only just heard of this Kony today. I need to do more research.

    On your education observations, I have to agree with you even though I am tempted to defer to Rabbit who works in the trenches. I believe there was a time in education when curricula were stricter. Classic skills were stressed. Now I find stuff loosey goosey.

    Example that frustrated the crap out of me. In the first grade I was told to not correct my daughter when she misspelled words. There was a focus on “expression” and she’d learn spelling later. My attitude was “f*ck that, I’m not having my kid start out spelling words like she has a mental deficiency”. My wife sided with the teachers so I had to grit my teeth and put up with “skool” and “kat”. Now, the kid is a pretty good speller (in the 2nd grade). Different school district and a different grade so now they want her to spell sh*t right. But I swear when I was a kid 40 years ago, they didn’t do this “expression” sh*t. You had to spell stuff correctly.

  • 135. El Tigre  |  March 10, 2012 at 3:16 am

    R, the association was Marshall to Bell, not Tex to me. :lol:

    You talk of “guilt by association,” then defend Bell by saying he worked “alongside” Marshal? What is that? Virtue by association?

    I am not a fan of Marshall. So? Oh, I forgot. He’s black and we all know that me and my “brethren” hate blacks. Right?

  • 136. PFesser  |  March 10, 2012 at 7:42 am

    James/Alfe –

    We don’t have to guess about the relative education level of “then” and “now.” It’s all been well-documented and that conversation has been closed for thirty years.

    By any measure you care to examine, whether ACT, SAT or just having a good conversation with a high-school senior, compared to the students of yesteryear, today’s kids have no more idea of what they are doing than a hog knows when Sunday comes.

    Failing at explaining away objective data, the teachers’ unions have changed their tack to blaming the parents.

    This ain’t my first rodeo on this matter; I was on a local school board for several years in the mid-eighties. The framework in which they work virtually – no, not virtually, LITERALLY – guarantees that even a cadre of brilliant teachers could not get the job done if their lives depended on it.

    As I have said many times, there seems to be in most people’s minds some kind of mystery about why our children are so poorly-educated. There’s no mystery; we have every resource at our disposal needed to get the job done – in spades – except one: the will.

  • 137. PFesser  |  March 10, 2012 at 7:52 am

    ““To address Rabbit’s point: The Trig Palin angle is tricky ”
    Tricky? Mocking a retarded baby is deemed a “tricky” one to call?
    I need another vacation from this blog.”

    No, you need to buy a dictionary and look up the definition of “straw man.”

    Nobody has EVER mocked Palin’s baby-prop. EVER. EVER. EVER. (Except for possibly Palin herself, who has been reported to have referred to him as, “my little retard.”)

    She, herself, has been criticized for dragging him around as a prop to bolster her bona fides with the right-to-lifers, but I defy you to find a single word ANYWHERE poking fun at the poor Down’s baby.

    And, I might add, where is he now? Certainly not with Queen Esther, now that his utility as baby-prop has waned. She can’t be bothered with such little things as raising children or finishing her governorship. Just too much work!

  • 138. PFesser  |  March 10, 2012 at 8:03 am

    R –

    re: Thurgood. That brought back to mind an old LBJ anecdote you might like:

    LBJ and Thurgood are in the steam room together after a little workout. LBJ turns and says, “Thurgood, I’m getting old. My sex life is terrible and I just can’t perform for Lady Bird any more. Do you have any suggestions?”

    “Yes, Mr. President, I’m getting old too, but I have a secret. When I come to bed and am in an amorous mood, I just whack my crank against the bedpost three times and that gets its attention and he performs just fine.”

    “By God, thanks, Thurgood; I’ll give it a try!”

    That night LBJ comes into the bedroom, drops his pants, and – approaching the bed – whacks his tallywhacker three times against the bedpost.

    Out of the dark comes Lady Bird’s voice. “That you, Thurgood?”

  • 139. James  |  March 10, 2012 at 9:27 am

    I repeat, Bill and some others were hardly touched.

    I heard Bill Mahre say during 9/11 that it took more courage to blow up planes than it did to lob a few missiles at our enemies.Mahre was criticizing Bill Clinton’s proclivity for letting the terrorist threat grow while blowing up a few buildings to make it appear we were fighting the terrorists. Bill was right. I also read about the terrorists who crashed the planes. They were not cowards. Mahre was wrongfully fired because of emotions of the time, in my opinion.

    I don’t think he should be fired now. I think he should be excoriated for his offensive statements.

    I read that Louis CK said he wished he could ….. the fat…. that Trig came out of. There was a list of similar comments. One of those folks also referred to Hillary’s penis. Greta Van Sersteren may have decided to bail because of the Rush problem or maybe because she was just tired. Some one else listed Louis’ bon mottes.

    Women have to put up with this crude stuff all the time. They are tough enough not to wilt. They also return the favor. Races and sexes mock and objectify because it is our nature. We need to practice some self-control.

    Rush and some conservatives committed another deed as bad or worse than the slut comment when they compared Chelsea to a dog when she was a late teenager in the White House. That could have been more damaging than insults directed at adult women.

    Poolman, we are all wrong half the time. I will admit it. when I am wrong. This time its your turn.

  • 140. James  |  March 10, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Pfessor, my wife taught in the same school from 1973 to this spring. She says the quality of students is as good as it was in the past. The problem is motivation and willingness to connect what they are supposed to learn with their future jobs and incomes. They retain information. Unfortunately, it is mostly about celebraties, sports figures and related subjects.

    Good teachers still count. ISU and several other universities sent letters thanking our school’s math teacher for teaching his students so well. My wife has received thank you letters from former students who are in college.

    She asked her students about the Vietnam War though she didn’t teach history. Thirty years ago, many of them confused Vietnam with Korea and one or two said MASH was a story about Vietnam.

    If there is any more doubt that you are right, watch Jay Leno’s Jay Walkers. He also has knowledge contests between contestants for Next Top Model and other people.

    Changes began a long time ago. We studied phonics when I was in third grade. One day our teacher appeared angry and upset about something. She curtly told us to turn in our phonics books, and we never saw them again.

    That was a very good joke about LBJ and Marshal.

  • 141. James  |  March 10, 2012 at 9:57 am

    I think a lot of men have a psychological need to control. At some level, strong women threaten them, and they objectify them to show male superiority.

    Whole societies do this. You can see it in the Bible. It is not a liberal or conservative thing.

    I trained gray ladies on one base. We became close, and hung around together. One even called me an honorary woman. She assured me she meant it as a complement. The things they talked about from physical ills on would have stripped the paint off a barn. I just nodded and smiled, but what an education it was.

    I had similar experiences with five black men I hung around with.

  • 142. poolman  |  March 10, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Not to belabor the point, James, but here’s your argument in your terms:

    Suppose you get an A and Fred gets a B though all of your course work is identical.

    That is only a double standard if they received those grades from the same teacher in the same school. If one attended a private school and the other attended public school, then it is not a double standard, rather a DIFFERENT standard.

  • 143. Alfie  |  March 10, 2012 at 10:25 am

    @ rutherford 131
    Romney has his faith and it is more than a thing he wears on his sleeve. I don’t believe Obama has that benefit. Some would say it is a good thing,I am not one of those.
    All the conspiracy theories and haters club stuff aside, Barack Obama’s belief system is a culmination of theories and ideologies that must be near torturous for his synapses.

  • 144. Alfie  |  March 10, 2012 at 10:49 am

    PF I don’t get how someone who in so many other comments can be so rational flies off the cliff like you do in #137. For crying out loud you answer your own question of sorts when you scream “baby prop”.

  • 145. James  |  March 10, 2012 at 10:52 am

    The graded double standard happened to me Poolman. I was such a bad student I had a 1.78 cumulative average in my freshman year. I was having too much fun. Then, I started to work.

    The other half of the double standard was a good friend of mine.We helped each other understand what our professors were feeding us. We compared grades and discovered our scores totaled identically. He got an A, and I got a B.

    I got an appointment and asked the teacher why. She said my friend had a disability which might some day kill him. His family had a long history with the college and they contributed a lot of money to the school. Therefore, he needed the A more than I did, especially since his GPA was higher than mine and being an honor student was obviously more important to him than to me.

    It was a double standard. I served on a base with serious moral problems Our medical squadren commander told us he knew moral was low, but we enlisted types had better watch our steps. In any dispute he would automatically take the officers’ side.

    That was another double standard..

  • 146. PFesser  |  March 10, 2012 at 11:03 am

    PF I don’t get how someone who in so many other comments can be so rational flies off the cliff like you do in #137. For crying out loud you answer your own question of sorts when you scream “baby prop”.

    ???? Is this what you mean?

    Baby-prop is a reference to Palin’s misuse of – and attitude toward – that infant. It doesn’t reflect negatively on the baby at all; he can’t help it.

  • 147. Raji  |  March 10, 2012 at 11:30 am

    I am on Alfie’s wave length regarding education. DR’s description of today’s classroom dynamics is a perfect example. Teachers must figure out how to keep a student’s attention to keep control of the classroom. Prior to 1970 students were more disciplined than they are today. Teachers today are not allowed to impart negative reinforcement especially in the lower grades. Laughter is a positive reinforcement as DR has found i.e. CONTROL!

    Rutherford’s example in comment #134 is exactly what is going on in today’s elementary classes. Students in 1940 would know where Germany is because they were taught geography one of the subjects along with philosophy that are not part of today’s curriculum.

    DR if you want to stay one step ahead of your students you do need to be on Facebook. That’s a sad commentary isn’t it ;-)

    My belief is that education no longer teaches Reading Comprehension. The emphasis is on passing “the no child left behind” tests. Students are fed facts that allow them to pass tests.

    Without reading comprehension there can be no analytical thought. For the past two decades students have been fed facts by all forms of media and they either accept the facts they hear or discount them but do not have the Intellectual Curiosity to examine the pros and cons and make an informed decision. The scary part of this thought is that most politicians fall into this category.

    It’s called the Dumbing Down of America.

  • 148. Raji  |  March 10, 2012 at 11:38 am

    “All the conspiracy theories and haters club stuff aside, Barack Obama’s belief system is a culmination of theories and ideologies that must be near torturous for his synapses.”

    Alfie, that is a perfect example of someone who lacks reading comprehension and therefore has no analytical thought processes.

  • 149. dead rabbit  |  March 10, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    “DR if you want to stay one step ahead of your students you do need to be on Facebook. That’s a sad commentary isn’t it ”

    Dude. I teach 18 year old cheerleaders. You do the math. Social networking isn’t remotely appropriate.

    Lets say I am vigilant and I make sure I know students can’t friend me, what if they friend my friends? Maybe old military buddies? Guys from my old roof crew? My crazy brother?

    Rule number 1 as a high school teacher. Keep yourself out of all situations that can even remotely be taken the wrong way.

    I had a fake page for a while but that seemed pointless.

    The other day the special education department told me that a mentally ill student of mine has an accommodation that requires one on one tutoring after school until she understand’s the directions. Said student is a compulsive liar and sex obsessed.

    I don’t give a damn if my door is open. I’m not spending one second alone with this girl.(I don’t even spend time alone with dudes). I told them to take up with the union. I aint doing it.

  • 150. dead rabbit  |  March 10, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Those Nanny-knows-best-types……always trying to down play the importance of the family.

    I’m not talking as a union thug. I’m talking as a common sense motherfucker. Trust me. The family is the most important attribute of educational success. More so then raw ability or IQ. More so then tax dollars. More so then good teachers, bad teachers.

    As for curriculum and proper teaching technique, you guys get back to me when you’re in agreement. Let’s start with social studies.

    Here is one to make you even more disgusted with the union. I threw my back out playing basketball this week.

    Out of desperation and curiosity, I went to the chiropractor.

    it was covered by my insurance.

    Personally, I find it to be quackery. i know some might disagree.

    When I talked about it at work, I learned that literally dozens of my union comrades go to the chiropractor all the time…..for massages!

    Yes folks, the teachers get massages paid for by the tax payer, like mid 1980’s communist party members.

    When I told them what I thought about that it was as if they never gave it one thought how outrageous some could take it.

  • 151. Raji  |  March 10, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    DR – Got the picture. So here are the two links floating around on Facebook that I imagine your students were talking about.

    Joseph Kony 2012 Video: ‘Stop Kony’ Campaign Draws Criticism
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/kony-2012-escaped-child-soldier-supports-movie/

    “Those Nanny-knows-best-types……always trying to down play the importance of the family. ”

    Of course the family is the most important part of the equation and that factor is as sadly lacking as certain school curriculum. All discipline starts at home. Teachers are in a no win situation. Maybe they really really need those massages. Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.

  • 152. dead rabbit  |  March 10, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    My first year teaching at my current school (a very successful upper middle class public school that also services numerous trailer parks), I got two emails in a row from two different families.

    Family A was upset how much homework their kid was getting from me. Family B was upset over the lack of homework. I swear to God! i wanted to just forward both emails to the two sets of parents.

    I’m back to be being a failing teacher again, by the way.

    Here are my standardized testing stats.

    I started off in a rough blue collar area. Fail.

    Went down to Virginia and worked in juvenile prisons. Fail. And I mean FAIL.

    Got hired at my current school. Pass. 90th percentile.

    Switched to teaching AP European History…..Pass. The last year I taught that class I had a 95% pass rate. I was the school champ every year in terms of pass rate.

    Chose to work in a team teaching situation. Half my kids have accommodations. Many more have disciplinary problems in other classes. Fail.

  • 153. PFesser  |  March 10, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    DR – why in the GD hell should you have to go through gyrations like making your students laugh or being worried about some hypersexed Lolita? That is my whole point; the system is so screwed up it is impossible to teach. I don’t know how old you are, but I have seen the classrooms both ways; the current situation makes me want to vomit. The first requirement for teaching is an atmosphere of order and respect for the teacher. It ain’t there. Until we get that, none of what we do matters.

    We do not have to reinvent the wheel; we HAD a system that worked and has devolved into one that does not. Other countries have systems that work wonderfully, but they are SERIOUS enough about getting their kids educated that they are willing to take a no-nonsense approach and get it done.

    The current system is like a big bus, with a driver who has a gas pedal and a brake, and fifty passengers, all with a brake. These passengers are the kids, the administrators, the parents, the teachers’ union, the service personnel and their union. All it takes to stop the bus is ONE disgruntled passenger – one angry parent, one grievance filed by one teacher who is pissed that she doesn’t get the cheerleaders this year, one angry bus driver who files a grievance, and BAM, he hits the brake and the whole pitiful mess grinds to a halt.

    Our problem is not lack of resources. IT IS LACK OF WILL.

    I don’t think we can survive. I really don’t. God help us.

  • 154. James  |  March 10, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    My wife could repeat many of those teaching stories. Here is another example of a change.

    Our school let seniors haze freshmen on initiation day. They dressed in costumes and paraded around town on the big day. The seniors had paddles and they could use them.

    A big freshman took umbridge because he thought he was being picked on. He left the school grounds and said he was bringing a shot gun to blow everyone away. Our superintendent was a huge man and a slightly unhinged WW11 veteran. Everyone feared him.

    He walked to the kid’s house which was next door and met him in the yard, already with his shot gun. Our superintendent talked to the kid for two hours and persuaded him to put the shot gun away and come back to school. The boy had beacoup worlds of in school suspension and other disciplinary actions, but it ended without anyone’s calling the sherrif or other authorities.

    Today, we would be on the network news with some of us shot.

  • 155. dead rabbit  |  March 10, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Pfessor,

    No, that is the exact opposite of your point. You describe a situation that is not systematic but social. And, in microcosm, directly related to family values.

    Mommy is incensed if Johnny gets yelled out. In fact, Mommy grew up learning traditional authority should be knocked down. She also grew up believing she is entitled to success. Teachers shouldn’t be meanies or strict. .

    I’ve seen you tear into a new asshole almost every traditional institution in America. Religion, core family, notions of proper sexuality, even traditional views on the the sanctity of life itself.

    And now you are beside yourself with anger over the fact that Mr.Rabbit’s classroom doesn’t wield the same authority it did 50 years ago?

    There was a huge opportunity cost to the cultural revolution.

    Watergate, Gulf of Tonkin, Jim Crow, Catholic molestation scandal, the information revolution. All of these have eroded trust in any kind of authority figure, sometimes for the right reasons, sometimes not. Thus, i deal with kids who grow up with Poolman for a Dad and walk into my class thinking America attacked itself on 9/11.

    Education tries to be all things to all people. It’s universal education care. Of course it is a giant bus! Change it to a Honda Civic. Let communities create whatever standards and curriculum they deem prudent.

    Your anger over the lack of respect in schools reminds me of the Bruce Springsteen song, My Father’s House.

    You’ve been estranged from your Father for many years. His flaws were too much to take. You’ve lost contact with him. One day, you decide that you want to go back to your old house and see the old man. A stranger opens the door and has no clue who your father is.

  • 156. Rutherford  |  March 10, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Virtue by association?

    I am not a fan of Marshall. So? Oh, I forgot. He’s black and we all know that me and my “brethren” hate blacks. Right?

    LOL well Tigre you’ve got me there, Virtue by association is just as ridiculous as guilt by association. Tigre 1, Rutherford 0.

    I thought I made clear that you disliked Marshall because he was a liberal judge. The fact that you like Thomas suggests your problem with Marshall is not racial. That’s the second time I’ve said this.

  • 157. Rutherford  |  March 10, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    PF the LBJ Marshall joke was amusing.

  • 158. Rutherford  |  March 10, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    James, I Googled Louis CK and Trig and was surprised at the level of venom in his “joke”. No defending it. He has done some thoughtful work. I can only guess he was shooting for winning the “shock” game. Not a good excuse.

  • 159. PFesser  |  March 10, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    “I’ve seen you tear into a new asshole almost every traditional institution in America. Religion, core family, notions of proper sexuality, even traditional views on the the sanctity of life itself.”

    Hmmm….I hadn’t thought of it that way…let me consider a minute…

    Religion. Yes. However I make it clear what my views are (I’m allowed an opinion just like everybody else.) but I also make it clear that others may believe as they please. I draw the line at insinuating religion into the government, which I believe was one of the most important core principles in founding the country. Having read about (and seen – i.e. current Islamic “republics”) what happens when the two are mixed, I think the F. Fathers had it right. I don’t see a contradiction there.

    Core family. Absolutely not. You will have to cite me on that, because I don’t believe it’s true. I grew up in a “Waltons” family and it has always been the most important thing in my life.

    Sexuality. I have always thought we were extremely repressed as a nation, largely through the influence of the church. One should tread very lightly when one tries to modify natural urges and habits that have survived 2.4 M years of evolution, and I include queerness in that. There is some survival value in queerness; we just don’t know what it is yet. (like the protection sickle-cell trait gives against malaria). I believe religion has perverted a very natural human function to use in a very twisted way to control people through guilt.

    Sanctity of life itself. No. But we’re back to the, “life begins at conception” thing, aren’t we? I believe humanity is a Becoming, not an Is or Isn’t. My finger is alive; is it a human? Of course not. Having had two ball-buster embryology courses, my perspective is probably a little different from some in the anti-abortion crowd, who just don’t understand the difference between tissue and personhood. It would seem, given latest data, that most of these people live in my state.

    Thanks for the different perspective. I always welcome a chance to review my beliefs and try to correct things that are not consistent.

  • 160. Rutherford  |  March 10, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Romney has his faith and it is more than a thing he wears on his sleeve. … All the conspiracy theories and haters club stuff aside, Barack Obama’s belief system is a culmination of theories and ideologies that must be near torturous for his synapses.

    Alfie, I agree with the first part of your comment. Romney has been a committed Mormon and has “done his duty” i.e. missionary work, to prove his bona fides in that area.

    I’m not sure I agree with your Obama comment.nor Raji’s elaboration on it (that Obama lacks reading comprehension skills). I think the young Obama toyed with all sorts of ideas. That’s what most young inquisitive people do. I think the 50 year old Obama is very practical, very political, quite a bit opportunistic. I think he wants points on the score card but has no solid ideology he wishes to promote. That’s why I laugh when he’s called a socialist radical.

    In 2008 he used lofty rhetoric to get a job … not to lead a grand cause … but to get a job. The rhetoric got less lofty when the job began. Now that he wants to continue his employment, we’re seeing more of the lofty rhetoric again. His second term won’t be much different from the first. And truth be told, Romney’s first term won’t be all that much different from Obama’s first.

  • 161. Rutherford  |  March 10, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Rabbit your policy of protecting yourself from potential perceived problems on the job is immensely sensible. My great-aunt Bert (or maybe it was my grandmother) used to say “Avoid the appearance of evil.”

    Making sure you’re not alone with a lying Lolita (as I think PF put it) makes perfect sense.

    You know, you are really a riddle wrapped in an enigma. When you describe your younger days I wonder how you landed where you are now. Did you just grow up?

  • 162. Rutherford  |  March 10, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    As for curriculum and proper teaching technique, you guys get back to me when you’re in agreement. Let’s start with social studies.

    All I can say is in the first five years (elementary school) I want my kid’s education fact based and skill based. I want her going to Middle School with the 3 r’s (readin ritin and rithmetic) down cold. I want her to know that “skool” isn’t “close enough” … that it’s f*cking misspelled and it needs correction.

    From Middle School on, they can start teaching stuff that ain’t white/black. Stuff that ain’t fact based but that demands some original thought and weighing of alternatives.

    That’s my basic ideal model for curricula.

    P.S. And ebonics …. HELL NO

  • 163. Rutherford  |  March 10, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Our school let seniors haze freshmen on initiation day.

    Sorry James, you lost me with that first sentence. The superintendent needed to stop the hazing and then he wouldn’t have had to worry about the psycho kid with the shot gun.

  • 164. Rutherford  |  March 10, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    I’d like to see a survey of parents that asked “Do your kids say stuff to you that you would never get away with saying to your parents?”

    If I said to my parents some of the stuff my kid says to me and my wife, all hell would have broken loose. So I’m wrestling with, have times changed or have I simply failed as a parent?

    For that matter, I think my kid will grow up to be as successful or more than her parents so perhaps the “parental respect” thing is overrated. She treats her teachers and other authority figures with respect. My wife and I seem to be the only ones she thinks are assh*les.

    Any thoughts?

  • 165. James  |  March 10, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Rutherford, Seinfeld or a comedian like him talked about the business when he appeared in Omaha. He said competition is keen and some use shock value to get an edge. Katy Perry, the singer, is a Christian child of evangelicals and she seems to push boundries in other directions.

    The hazing was school tradition and policy. On initiation day, seniors chose outrageous costumes for the freshmen and the school provided paddles with two flexible heads which slammed together when used to make a loud noise. Each senior was assigned one or more “slaves” who carried books, delivered lunch from the cafeteria, etc. Freshmen were at the seniors beck and call.

    A photographer took photos for the annual. This was a sanctioned event which had continued for years. Sadly the tradition faded by the time I became a senior and I didn’t get to use a paddle.

    Wasn’t that sort of thing normal in the forties to sixties, or was our area an outler? Until now, I thought we were living through a common experience.

    We live in a county so thinly settled it has only four electric traffic lights. Our ethnicity is Scandinavian, German, British, mixed black Hispanic, and Indian. Maybe we were living through an ethnic heritage.

  • 166. James  |  March 10, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Yes, our kids said things we never said in front of our parents. I think the sixties youth revolution changed the dynamic between adults and young people. Baby boomers never grew out of it, and they treated their children almost like contemporaries.

    As farmers, our children worked with us during summers before they were in school. When they grew older, they worked like adults. Our daughter was doing her homework by flashlight in the cab of a tractor as she unloaded corn from a wagon into a bin auger. It was almost midnight as I emptied corn from the combine into the wagon.

    “How are you doing?” I asked in my most jovial voice. Our daughter replied with a string of unprintable profanities. I laughed. My father would have slammed my head into the side of the tractor, and my mother would have done worse.

    On the other hand, our children knew we weren’t their friends. We were their parents and if we let them get away with back talk and a smile, it only meant they had not disturbed their parents’ world. We let them know our lives revolved around the farm, and it was a group effort. Every job was important to our survival.

    Our son was 11 and pulling a rotary hoe when a piece of wood got caught in it. He was inconsolable because he thought he had let me down.

    You can’t demand respect from your children. you have to earn it, and conversly, you have to respect your children. Without mutual respect, you risk serious problems as they get older. As you know, they will think you are the worst people in the world, but they will get over it.

    Our daughter is a therapist, and sometimes on her way home, she calls and says “I’m bored. Entertain me.” One time she said “Thank you for giving me a home and for feeding me.” When we were in California, our son told us what we meant to him and finished by saying to our daughter-in law “do you see why we want to pay for their meals so often?”

    We also “home schooled” our children during summers so they would not forget so much during vacation.

    These are just my thoughts from personal experience.

  • 167. El Tigre  |  March 11, 2012 at 12:31 am

    R said, “that’s the second time I’ve said this.”

    I’m not the only you were referring to.

    The Marshall connection is irrelevant.

  • 168. Rutherford  |  March 11, 2012 at 1:40 am

    Just finished watching “Game Change”. I think folks can go either way on it. Some will say it’s sympathetic to Palin and others will say it’s a hit job.

    I just found it immensely entertaining. Julianne Moore WAS Sarah Palin. She has an Emmy nomination in her future.

  • 169. poolman  |  March 11, 2012 at 2:11 am

    To me this radical religious racial discussion is a mindless blame game where the ones pointing out the radical religious racial people are trying to deflect guilt from their personal radical religious racial thoughts and practices. It’s known as projection and most people practice it. Some deliberately distort in order to debase someone.

    Finding fault is an all-consuming endeavor. We don’t accept imperfection or weakness in others and LOVE to point it out.

    Ultimately, the fault finding attempts to destroy character and credibility. Our best skill is murder, even if only in our heart. If we can make a public spectacle of someone we feel vindicated.

    Santorum comes to mind. (No pun intended) We love dirty laundry.

    Animals don’t do any of this. It is only humans. Nature sans humans works just fine. Humans, being like gods, can fuck things up and in a hurry. We may soon be getting more of that shaking that needs to take place. This evil/good mix needs to ultimately separate and the evil contained.

  • 170. poolman  |  March 11, 2012 at 2:50 am

    Rabbit plays the tortoise when it comes to the sticking his neck out for truth but he can sense the water warming around him. Rather than believe the weatherman, or ask a frog, he instead blames the poolman for maladjusting the thermostat. Tsk, tsk. The task of teacher carries with it many souls burdens.

  • 171. poolman  |  March 11, 2012 at 3:20 am

  • 172. thorsaurus  |  March 11, 2012 at 3:21 am

    “We ask a 1940′s 8th grader and a 2012 8th grader to find say Germany on a map…Which kid do you think hits it?” – A

    That’s not fair. In the 40’s Germany was a lot bigger, pretty much all of Europe. You couldn’t miss it. ;)

  • 173. poolman  |  March 11, 2012 at 3:24 am

    Hey Thor, I hear they’re stabbing and shooting court help up there in your neck of the woods. How Arizona-like of you. :grin:

  • 174. thorsaurus  |  March 11, 2012 at 5:01 am

    “I’m not talking as a union thug. I’m talking as a common sense motherfucker. Trust me. The family is the most important attribute of educational success. More so then raw ability or IQ. More so then tax dollars. More so then good teachers, bad teachers.” – DR

    I agree. A strong family with involved parents is the foundation for overcoming most of the obstacles bemoaned as “causes” for the decline in our education system. We can argue over “what” our children should learn, but “how” they learn is already well on its way to being established before they ever set foot inside a classroom.

    Any normally developing infant has the ability to utter every sound in every language currently being utilized on the face of the Earth. They “learn” the language of the culture they were born into by dropping the sounds that don’t apply. At our core, we are all brilliant, but we don’t get to choose our parents and we don’t get to pick our teachers, so our “education” becomes a crap shoot.

    BTW, Rush refers to teachers as “parasites”. I find that more offensive than his whore comments.

  • 175. PFesser  |  March 11, 2012 at 6:40 am

    “As for curriculum and proper teaching technique, you guys get back to me when you’re in agreement. Let’s start with social studies.”

    “All I can say is in the first five years (elementary school) I want my kid’s education fact based and skill based.” &c.

    I do NOT see reinventing the wheel. The first thing you need to do is have everyone agree that the system should be scrapped and start over. But, remembering that while you try to figure it out a lot of children will have been denied an education, you start from a known point.

    Where would that be, pray tell? Hell, the Chinese have been stealing everything we have invented for the past thirty years – let’s do the same. Let’s just copy exactly a system that works WELL – I recommend the Taiwanese model, since it is at the very top. Then if you want to modify it, feel free for your new Ph.D.s in “education” to begin their grand experiments again – you know, the ones that have brought us to where we are now.

  • 176. James  |  March 11, 2012 at 8:22 am

    A 1950’s eight grader like me knew the locations and names of all of the European and American capitals. We also knew the state and provincial capitals. If a teacher picked us, we had to recite them like the books of the Bible.

    I agree that family and community culture is the most important predictor of a school class’s success. Good teachers are needed too.

  • 177. James  |  March 11, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Finland has a good educational model too.

    its not uncommon for the inventor of a product to let it slip away. I think Kodak invented the digital camera and see where it got them. The Fins invented texting, and the computer was invented at the University of Iowa.

    Unlike the Chinese, we enforce copy write and patent laws. We could copy exactly a system that works well and make a slight improvement.

  • 178. James  |  March 11, 2012 at 8:39 am

    I didn’t hear him say it, but I agree Rush’s parasite comment was more offensive than “slut.” The top of the list is when he compared Chelsea to a dog, in my opinion.

  • 179. Alfie  |  March 11, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    @ Rutherfords #160

    I stand by my comment. Obama didn’t dabble in anything. (this is where I earn a pail) He was force fed.
    Think about it. From his upbringing,family dynamics,education and then adulthood into the workforce he had nothing that was his. I’d say that is exactly why he can be such a pragmatic political person. It is because he has no core! In some ways that is a very sad thing.
    I’ve seen similar stuff on a smaller in my own circles. Friends of Latin American roots and Chinese friends who get a little lost in the identity stuff and tend to reflex in extremes to regain something others can recognize never really finding themselves though.
    (this is where I give the pail back) It isn’t that Obama is stupid or a Muslim Manchurian Candidate or the like. It really is that he is hollow.

    Just in case anyone is curious about the pail reference this might help

  • 180. poolman  |  March 11, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    The following statement was read February 3rd,1970, the day after Bertrand Russell’s death, to an International Conference of Parliamentarians meeting in Cairo. His message is still relevant today…

    The latest phase of the undeclared war in the Middle East is based upon a profound miscalculation. The bombing raids deep into Egyptian territory will not persuade the civilian population to surrender, but will stiffen their resolve to resist. This is the lesson of all aerial bombardment.

    The Vietnamese who have endured years of American heavy bombing have responded not by capitulation but by shooting down more enemy aircraft. In 1940 my own fellow countrymen resisted Hitler’s bombing raids with unprecedented unity and determination. For this reason, the present Israeli attacks will fail in their essential purpose, but at the same time they must be condemned vigorously throughout the world.

    The development of the crisis in the Middle East is both dangerous and instructive. For over 20 years Israel has expanded by force of arms. After every stage in this expansion Israel has appealed to “reason” and has suggested “negotiations”. This is the traditional role of the imperial power, because it wishes to consolidate with the least difficulty what it has already taken by violence. Every new conquest becomes the new basis of the proposed negotiation from strength, which ignores the injustice of the previous aggression. The aggression committed by Israel must be condemned, not only because no state has the right to annexe foreign territory, but because every expansion is an experiment to discover how much more aggression the world will tolerate.

    The refugees who surround Palestine in their hundreds of thousands were described recently by the Washington journalist I.F. Stone as “the moral millstone around the neck of world Jewry.” Many of the refugees are now well into the third decade of their precarious existence in temporary settlements. The tragedy of the people of Palestine is that their country was “given” by a foreign Power to another people for the creation of a new State. The result was that many hundreds of thousands of innocent people were made permanently homeless. With every new conflict their number have increased. How much longer is the world willing to endure this spectacle of wanton cruelty? It is abundantly clear that the refugees have every right to the homeland from which they were driven, and the denial of this right is at the heart of the continuing conflict. No people anywhere in the world would accept being expelled en masse from their own country; how can anyone require the people of Palestine to accept a punishment which nobody else would tolerate? A permanent just settlement of the refugees in their homeland is an essential ingredient of any genuine settlement in the Middle East.

    We are frequently told that we must sympathize with Israel because of the suffering of the Jews in Europe at the hands of the Nazis. I see in this suggestion no reason to perpetuate any suffering. What Israel is doing today cannot be condoned, and to invoke the horrors of the past to justify those of the present is gross hypocrisy. Not only does Israel condemn a vast number. of refugees to misery; not only are many Arabs under occupation condemned to military rule; but also Israel condemns the Arab nations only recently emerging from colonial status, to continued impoverishment as military demands take precedence over national development.

    All who want to see an end to bloodshed in the Middle East must ensure that any settlement does not contain the seeds of future conflict. Justice requires that the first step towards a settlement must be an Israeli withdrawal from all the territories occupied in June, 1967. A new world campaign is needed to help bring justice to the long-suffering people of the Middle East.

    http://www.connexions.org/CxLibrary/Docs/CX5576-RussellMidEast.htm

  • 181. James  |  March 11, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    I don’t know if you are right or not Rutherford, but I have the same feeling as you do. He is a hollow man.

    That could be good or bad, depending on who influences him.

    We just got home and learned a big fire across the road from us required multiple fire departments with the most distant from thirty miles away. Someone with a scanner told us at a meeting we were attending. The burned area is pretty large, and we missed all of the excitement.

  • 182. poolman  |  March 11, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    I don’t think Obama is hallow. James, you’re reading Alfie’s comment and attributing them to R’s. I think Obama is far from hallow, but he has been mostly ineffectual. At least that is how it looks on the surface. The stalwarts of the status quo are deeply entrenched and determined to see through this transition.

  • 183. poolman  |  March 11, 2012 at 8:21 pm

  • 184. El Tigre  |  March 11, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Obama is ineffectual because he’s hollow

  • 185. Alfie  |  March 11, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    poolmans spelling slip is illustrative. Obama is hollow not hallow.The former a reality the latter a false perception.

  • 186. poolman  |  March 11, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    LOL. That is pretty funny. Neither hallow nor hollow to me. I’m surprised you guys are not all over the proposed high impeachment bill 107.

  • 187. Alfie  |  March 11, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    Wasn’t saying you meant anything by it just that it offered a view.
    7 March was a pretty lame day in House history

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r112:4:./temp/~r112xWjobo::

    Jones put on his butcher apron and sliced off a big juicy chunk of red meat but other than that I can’t see how anyone is excited by the “concurrent resolution”

  • 188. Alfie  |  March 11, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    2nd attempt at THOMAS

  • 189. dead rabbit  |  March 11, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    The funny thing about some of the Asian educational models is that they, too, are currently in a heated debate about their own educational model, with many clamoring for a change to something that resembles American schools. Apparently the rote memorization, rampant cheating and severe stress is not producing the innovation that they desire.

    Personally, I like many the things in the Taiwanese model. School uniforms alone would be a great step.

    That being said, and I hate to beat a dead horse, but for the most part, education in America reflects what Americans want, whether they admit it or not.

    If we had even .01% of discipline that is found in Taiwan, parents would be suing and whining like crazy.

    Parents don’t want strict schools. Some of them say they do, but that dissipates like rain in the desert the minute its their kind in the hot seat.

    When I catch a kid cheating, which I do a couple times a year, the result is always the same. The parent NEVER believes me. NEVER. Doesn’t matter if they are A students or E students. The parents ALWAYS takes their kid’s side. And the kid ALWAYS lies.

    I honestly have never had a kid go home and admit they were cheating, once caught. And when I say caught, I mean red handed.

  • 190. Alfie  |  March 11, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    @ DR:
    Would you boil it down and call it a cultural thing?
    I went to public schools and attended one of Boston’s exam (ssat) HS’s. Compared to others in the system these puppies were the creme de la creme.
    I had an opp to attend a prestigious private school. Years later I was there to see if my son was interested.
    My kids attend a charter school with a strict curriculum and a dress code.
    All these things have offered me empirical data that a culture does exist and can be fostered in an education setting.

  • 191. poolman  |  March 11, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    Yeah, Alfie. I guess a blow job is more abhorrent to us than an illegal war where folks actually die and stuff gets destroyed and resources get confiscated. Too bad Obama is seemingly faithful to his wife, or we’d have opportunity for something substantial. :neutral:

    This should cause a stir in the force:

    In a highly significant move, ministers will fight a case at the European Court of Human Rights in which two British women will seek to establish their right to display the cross.

    It is the first time that the Government has been forced to state whether it backs the right of Christians to wear the symbol at work.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9136191/Christians-have-no-right-to-wear-cross-at-work-says-Government.html

    I guess this is more up Tex’s or BiW’s alley. Cross worshipers beware, the government is banning your idols. File under more religious persecution, or is this ungodly prosecution…

  • 192. dead rabbit  |  March 12, 2012 at 1:22 am

    “All these things have offered me empirical data that a culture does exist and can be fostered in an education setting.”-A

    You have the data, but I think you are reading it wrong.

    You just got done telling me that you have gone out of your way and hand picked a school for your kids. That alone puts you in a demographic that differs from the average family. I put you in the “those-who-seriously-care-about-their-kid’s-education” camp.

    It’s you and other like minded parents that created the culture.

    I know you and many conservatives will disagree (although, in doing so, you are breaking from free market ideology usually held in high esteem) but I’m going on a limb and predicting the quality of instruction might even be slightly worse at your school. The teacher turn over rate is probably pretty high. While dead beats get the boot, and that is awesome, charter schools suck to work at. Most good teachers who can, flee. It comes down to money, more then anything.

    Yet, despite this, I bet your kid’s school is awesome. And its because of you!

    Your child’s school reflects what you want in a school. That’s what makes charter and private schools so effective. it’s also why I think they are so needed in urban areas where the public school, reflecting the norms of the urban masses, is a disaster.

    The public school I teach in now is extremely successful on standardized tests and college attendance. Other districts I’ve worked in were not. I promise you there was the same percentage of dead beat teachers at both.

    The community makes the school.

  • 193. thorsaurus  |  March 12, 2012 at 1:58 am

    “Hey Thor, I hear they’re stabbing and shooting court help up there in your neck of the woods. How Arizona-like of you.” – P

    That was nuts. Dude stabs a judge with scissors then takes a deputy’s sidearm and shoots her in the shoulder with it and runs out. His own mom turned him in. It took place on G Kat’s and BiC’s side of the state. I’m about 300 miles northeast of there, as the raven flies.

  • 194. thorsaurus  |  March 12, 2012 at 2:13 am

    Somebody here is a Denver fan. I hear the Broncos are probably getting Manning.

    Rabbit, I don’t know if you like college hoops, but it looks like three teams from Michigan got in: the Wolverines, the Spartans and Detroit. The Zags got a pretty tough draw, West Virginia in Pittsburgh, practically their own back yard.

    On another totally unrelated topic, [sorry R, but around 200 posts this place kind of turns into the barber shop anyway, :) ] did any of you get to see the northern lights the other night? We were lucky enough to see them for a while because the moon was covered by a weather front coming in from the south. Love that sh*t.

  • 195. PFesser  |  March 12, 2012 at 9:58 am

    I see that one of our soldiers lost it and began killing civilians.

    Wonder what happened, somebody burn a Bible?

    GET US OUT OF THIS GODFORSAKEN PLACE. NOW.

  • 196. James  |  March 12, 2012 at 10:04 am

    You could be right, Poolman. Obama just seems like an empty sponge who absorbs what surrounds him to me. Since I have never met him, I am relying on impressions. Something about him doesn’t seem right.

    “Illegal war” is a matter for debate. Many leading Democrats supported the invasions too. I thought Iraq was a mistake, but illegal is a stretch.

    The blow job is not up for debate. It happened, and it would have not meant much except that Clinton lied under oath and was guilty of obstruction of justice. Clinton lost his license to practice law because of purgery which would have put us in jail. That is a fact.

    “The community makes the school” is right. Sometimes, the students do too. Our children grew up during the farm depression when several of their classmates lost homes and experienced family suicides or deaths.

    Around their freshman year in high school, they invented their own “No Child Left Behind.” They decided they all would make out, or none would. They didn’t all like each other, but they became like surrigate siblings.

    Our son’s class earned more scholarship money than any class before or since. 2/3 of the class were honor students and half belonged to the National Honor Society.

    Problems developed when graduation separated them. After he graduated from college, our son attended a high school graduation party for the younger brother of his classmate who had also just graduated from college.

    The first thing she said to our son when they met was “Not many of us made it did we?”

  • 197. James  |  March 12, 2012 at 10:07 am

    We looked for the Northern Lights for two nights. The sky looked a little brighter north, but sadly we saw no well-defined Northern Lights.

  • 198. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Wonder what happened, somebody burn a Bible?

    LOL …. oh damn wouldn’t that be a great defense????

  • 199. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Obama just seems like an empty sponge who absorbs what surrounds him to me. Since I have never met him, I am relying on impressions. Something about him doesn’t seem right.

    This to me seems a bit much. As I said earlier, Obama is no different from any young inquisitive kid who went to liberal arts schools and picked up lots of different theories and philosophies. That’s not an empty sponge. It’s a critical thinker. As he’s settled into middle age, and spent some time in politics, he has become practical. As I said earlier, he is more interested in scoring points that aligning emotionally with a particular ideology.

    I also reject the notion that “something about him doesn’t seem right.” James, I don’t KNOW him any better than you do but he reminds me of a friend of the family that I grew up with. Whenever this man and his family would come to visit, once they left, my parents would spend hours laughing at how BORING the guy was. He was a black man as stiff and stodgy as any stereotypical white guy. Obama very much reminds me of him.

  • 200. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Regarding the Jones impeachment bill, let me see if I get this. Bush invaded Iraq and got Congressional funding for that act, but he got nor did he pursue any declaration of war. So he’s still safe from impeachment. But Obama did not seek specific funding involvement in Libya (I assume) and therefore he has violated the Constitution?

    At the risk of getting my blood pressure out of control, does anyone here find any merit in bill 107?

  • 201. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 10:49 am

    I have to laugh when I see you guys talking about the education systems of Finland or Taiwan.

    Don’t you people understand that one of America’s greatest liabilities is the “not invented here syndrome”? Heaven forbid we actually search for best of breed solutions around the world and emulate them.

    It’s part of the xenophobic streak running through American culture.

  • 202. James  |  March 12, 2012 at 11:11 am

    I don’t think Obama has shown us many signs of critical thinking beyond the borders of his ideology. He is surrounded by leftists who reinforce his view of the world. I also don’t think he shows emotions appropriate to the occasion. There are times, when he should be mad, but you would think he was back in school as a law lecturer.

    I’m not arguing with you, except for the critical thinking, because these are just my impressions.

    I agree about the impeachment bill.

    I don’t know if ‘xenophobic” is the correct word, but we are certainly self-centered. Most the world knows more about us than we know about it. How many of us know the names of the leaders of Canada or Mexico, our closest neighbors?

  • 203. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 11:26 am

    There are times, when he should be mad

    In a President, I prefer cool and calm any day of the week.

    I agree about the impeachment bill.

    How so? Do you think the impeachment bill is legit or do you think Presidents have played fast and loose with our military for decades now?

    When it comes to emulating best of breed processes, I agree with you that xenophobic may not apply in all instances. In some cases it’s just sheer arrogance combined with ignorance.

  • 204. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 11:37 am

    This one is for Gorilla. Two of the opinion pieces from the Washington Post:

    “Wither Human Rights?: Egypt’s Full Frontal Assault on Civil Society”
    “Trouble in Tunisia: Press Freedoms are Under Attack”

    I haven’t read the editorials but just from the titles, damn, so much for Arab Spring. :-(

  • 205. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 11:49 am

    “Up with Chris Hayes” had an interesting panel discussion yesterday. I don’t remember the names of all the panelists but their perspectives were interesting and quite polarized:

    1. A woman who feels no one ever talks about Palestine and her rights. Palestine is only ever discussed in relation to Israel.
    2. Jeremy Ben-Ami from J Street who feels that American Jews need to be critical of Israel when appropriate. He has a problem with unconditional support of Israel.
    3. A Newsweek journalist with a soft spot for Iran.
    4. A pro-Israel lady who sees Israel as the hero and everyone else as the enemy. Example: “Palestine wants a two state solution as a transition to eliminating Israel altogether.”

    The one thing I got out of the discussion is just how far apart various players are in the whole Israel/Iran/Palestine situation. My perception was reenforced by Shlomo Gazit, a retired Israeli Major General who said that no matter what steps are taken, true peace is far off in the distance.

  • 206. James  |  March 12, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    .

    I believe law lets presidents send in troops for short-term emergency operations, but I think they have abused the option. Obama should not have interfered in Libya or Egypt the way he and our allies did. They made things worse, but I don’t think Obama broke any laws.

    Impeachment is a serious action not to be taken lightly. It should be used only if a president has committed an actual crime. Thus, I think Obama deserves criticism but not impeachment.

    I’m not arguing against cool and calm. My preference is to see a little righteous anger once in a while as long as the president is still in emotional control.

  • 207. James  |  March 12, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Your stereotypical white guy comment in 199 made me think of something. Most of us lump black people, Asians and others as one, but they are not. Take whites, for example. Italians, French and Arabs are emotional and animated. Brits, Germans, Dutch and Scandinavians are more distant and express their emotions less overtly than southern Europeans.

    Transplants to the United States even farm differently according to an Illinois study. Don’t jump over me for this. I can poke holes in my observation too. Have you noticed differences in how ethnic groups behave differently from their kindred because they come from different parts of the world?.

  • 208. PFesser  |  March 12, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    I have noticed – here and elsewhere – there seems to be a certain…um…tension between many black folk and Jews. Is this just me, or have you noticed it, too? I don’t think the Jews I know make much of it, but among my black friends I find almost no support for Israel or Jewish folks in general.

    Any thoughts, or am I just misinformed?

  • 209. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    James, just the phrase “stereotypical white guy” is asking for trouble. LOL

    The best example I can give is an old SNL skit where Eddie Murphy got made up as a white guy. The stuff is copyrighted so it’s hard to find the full sketch on YouTube. I did manage to find this 4 second snippet. If you’ve seen the sketch then you know what I mean.

  • 210. poolman  |  March 12, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Koolaid drinkers scroll on by… Syrian update from James Petras, “humanitarian” NATO’s latest planned regime take down…

    The killings and mass flight of refugees is not the result of gratuitous violence committed by a blood thirsty Syrian state. The Western backed militias have seized neighborhoods by force of arms, destroyed oil pipelines, sabotaged transportation and bombed government buildings. In the course of their attacks they have disrupted basic services critical to the Syrian people including education, access to medical care, security, water, electricity and transportation. As such, they bear most of the responsibility for this “humanitarian disaster”, (which their imperial allies and UN officials blame on Syrian security and armed forces). The Syrian security forces are fighting to preserve the national independence of a secular state, while the armed opposition commits violence on behalf of their foreign pay-masters – in Washington, Riyadh, Tel Aviv, Ankara and London.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/The-Bloody-Road-to-Damascus-The

  • 211. poolman  |  March 12, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    From the “pro-Iranian” (per dead rabbit) press, this was an interesting article regarding Senator James Abourezk’s associations over the years. It puts some things in perspective that neocons generally want to avoid.

    I shudder when Sarah Palin comes on the television accusing President Obama of palling around with terrorists, mostly I fear that she may, someday, catch up with me to disclose to the public my history of palling around with terrorists. To pre-empt Sarah, I will tell everything I know now.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/09/senator-james-abourezk-palling-around-with-terrorists/

  • 212. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Any thoughts, or am I just misinformed?

    It’s hard to address this without getting into stupid generalizations. I can only give you my personal emotional reaction. I can’t say I speak for any other blacks on this.

    I have a problem with the plight of Jews being elevated to special status when so many other minorities have been treated like sh*t throughout the centuries, blacks being just one example. Perhaps the graphic photographic record of the holocaust is responsible for this. People connect with the visual. All I know is there is a double standard that just pisses me off to no end and it is that blacks “should just get over it” but Jews “should never let us forget.”

    I also don’t buy the one way street of blacks not supporting Jews. I think the tension you perceive, PF, is the result of reciprocal discomfort.

    That said, Jews in America have a well documented record of supporting the civil rights movement. That’s why generalizations just don’t cut it in this space.

  • 213. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Poolman, you’re not suggesting Assad is some sort of hero are you?

  • 214. dead rabbit  |  March 12, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    I’m not sure anyone in their right mind would tell a former slave to get over it.

    Holocaust victims are still alive!

    Secondly, no one group through out world history has been persecuted like the Jews.

    Lastly, the Jews are self reliant. Blacks not so much. When people say get over it, they mean get a damn job and father your kids.

  • 215. PFesser  |  March 12, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    “Lastly, the Jews are self reliant. Blacks not so much. When people say get over it, they mean get a damn job and father your kids.”

    Right. It kind of reminds me of the Jewish comedienne who was “taking up a collection for homeless Jews.”

    “There are three of them, you know…”

  • 216. El Tigre  |  March 12, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Is there another group deemed a minority in America that the black community doesn’t resent?

  • 217. PFesser  |  March 12, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    I don’t want to open up a can of worms here but….oh what the hell, I’ll open it. I remember during the “Rodney King riots” my cousin called me on the phone. He never said hello, kiss my ass – anything. He just said, “Are you watching the TV?”

    I said yes.

    “Why do you think the rioters are picking on the Koreans?”

    “Because they’re jealous. These people moved into slum areas, didn’t even speak the language, and in ten years they have prospering businesses in areas deemed unsalvageable, and the people who live there can’t stand it. It makes them look bad.”

    “You goddamned right.”

    I tell you, Rutherford – fair or not, it’s how people feel. It’s certainly how *I* feel.

    Thoughts?

  • 218. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    Tigre, I don’t think the black community resents the Amish. :-D

  • 219. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    PF I have one question for you … and I don’t know the answer so it’s not a rhetorical question … how many of those Koreans were willing to hire blacks?

    Minorities in this country would all do a thousand time better if they focused on their only real oppressor … the white protestant male. Every group came into this country from Catholics to Koreans and got crapped on by WASPS. Instead of recognizing a common oppressor and banding together to excel, these groups self-segregated, watched out only for their own, and viewed peer minority groups with suspicion.

    As I said, I don’t know the answer to the question I posed at the beginning of this comment, but I strongly suspect if Koreans had eagerly employed the blacks in the neighborhood, there would have been very little resentment.

  • 220. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Rabbit your comment regarding the existence of holocaust victims vs the non existence of ex-slaves is just plain asinine. First they are holocaust survivors, not victims. Second, your observation is simply the consequence of the passage of time.

    I assure you after the very last holocaust survivor dies, Jews will still be saying “don’t ever let them forget.” And blacks will still be told “to get over it and get a job.”

  • 221. PFesser  |  March 12, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    R –

    What family businesses do is hire *family*. After that’s all taken care of they hire local folks – that is if they can find someone with enough on the ball to get the job done. Not always easy in these neighborhoods.

    The black minority, which I separate from all other minorities because it is the ONLY one that has never been able to pull itself out of the mire, needs to focus on getting in the game – not waging war against some mythical white oppressor. The reason they can’t form a coalition of war with the other minorities is that THEY don’t have time for that shit. They are too busy WORKING their ways out of poverty to engage in such nonproductive nonsense.

    As for the white oppressors, the white folks I know ain’t oppressing nobody – but they are damned sure tired of having their hard-earned wages confiscated by other well-meaning white folks and turned over to folks who won’t even try to help themselves.

  • 222. poolman  |  March 12, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Poolman, you’re not suggesting Assad is some sort of hero are you?

    No way. Like Hussein and Quadaffi, he is not innocent by a long shot. But they all defied western dominance. Assad is just the next slated “king” to be overturned in the NATO power grab agenda. It’s always about “human rights” violations, then “we” show “them” how it’s done. Killing them with democracy, one kingdom at a time…

  • 223. El Tigre  |  March 12, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    I am an oppressor?

    Okay focus on me if that’s going to elevate the blacks from poverty and anti-social behavior. :roll:

    Trust is R, you and your moronic liberal brethren are the enemies of the black community (you believe you own and is politically beholden to you). Look what you’ve done to it. You and your institutionalized dependence is what the black community should band against.

  • 224. poolman  |  March 12, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    You people talk of the “black community” like it is some cohesive bloc. It isn’t. The white community isn’t either. I know blacks in all facets of the community. True, like others, there are cliques that hold to the same philosophy, but not all races are of the same mind.

    We all have people that share our ideology and outlook and others that oppose them. There is no clear distinction as many would like to delineate. For as many as will fit a pattern, just as many will not.

    Quit categorizing and labeling. Life is not stagnant. Environment makes a much greater impact on living organisms (which includes us) than previously thought. If science is your god, then at least keep up with the latest of its findings. Genetics holds some weight, but not near what was previously thought. Society has the greatest impact. Mirror effect. Watch out for the many studies that are sponsored by industry with a predetermined outcome. In other words, propaganda. We definitely have THAT mastered.

  • 225. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    The black minority, which I separate from all other minorities because it is the ONLY one that has never been able to pull itself out of the mire

    First of all, I don’t see Hispanics knocking the ball out of the park either. So singling out blacks is pure BS.

    Second, and I wish I knew more about this so I could speak authoritatively, have you ever heard of the Harlem Renaissance? There have been times in this country post-slavery when blacks in certain areas have done quite well for themselves. I don’t know enough to say why the successful times did not endure. And I don’t blame white people per se for it not enduring.

    Damn, maybe I should’ve taken a black studies class in college instead of a music survey course. :neutral: Maybe you should have too, ;-)

  • 226. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    You and your institutionalized dependence is what the black community should band against.

    Hey, you and some other conservative on this board have come a long way in convincing me of the folly of the welfare state. Developing dependence from the masses is not a good idea.

    I’d just like to see more talk on this board of enterprise zones and less talk of blacks are dysfunctional and lazy.

  • 227. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    You people talk of the “black community” like it is some cohesive bloc.

    Well, you are absolutely right and I’m as guilty of this as the next guy.

    For every Al Sharpton there is a John McWhorter.

  • 228. El Tigre  |  March 12, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    “I’d just like to see more talk on this board of enterprise zones and less talk of blacks are dysfunctional and lazy.”

    Says the guy who just typed out:

    “Instead of recognizing a common oppressor and banding together to excel, these groups self-segregated, watched out only for their own, and viewed peer minority groups with suspicion.”

    You’re a gem R.

    If only those Korean family businesses hired blacks. . . :roll:

  • 229. El Tigre  |  March 12, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    “You people talk of the “black community” like it is some cohesive bloc.”

    Oh, I assure you it’s not. But we’re working of of R’s “oppressor victim” paradigm now.

  • 230. El Tigre  |  March 12, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    R says, “Tigre, I don’t think the black community resents the Amish.”

    Yeah, that’s ’cause they’re one of their own:

    http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/4-Amish-Arrested-After-Buggy-Hits-Cop-Car-142308205.html?dr

  • 231. James  |  March 12, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Koreans are my relatives. From what I know of them, they are highly motivated and they value education and hard work. They also venerate their elders.

    Our son’s former college room mate moved to California and our daughter-in law sneered to us that he wasn’t trying hard enough to find work. They were helping him, and he did find a job.

    Koreans also have their own aid and lending network independent of the normal financial services. If the bank won’t loan you money to start a business, a Korean will.

    Businessmen who were armed and firing at rioters during the Rodney King riots were mainly Korean. That didn’t surprise me.

    The Viet Cong feared only one ethnic group of soldiers in the Vietnam war–Koreans. Koreans also visited my brother’s base and made the equivalent of a nicely bound high school year book for soldiers.

    Nobody can hold a Korean down for long.

  • 232. PFesser  |  March 12, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    We could argue all day about whether the “black community” – and it DOES exist – causes its own problems or they are caused by some faceless oppressor – because it doesn’t matter.

    What matters is that pissing, moaning and whining will get you nowhere; people are tired of it and they have before them examples of severely disadvantaged OTHER minorities who have, rather than complaining, got with it and made their marks.

    The civil rights laws are in place. Others have done as much as they can; now it is up to you. As for the rest of it; I don’t want to hear it and neither does anybody else. You are talking to yourself. As far as we are concerned, either fish or cut bait.

  • 233. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Yeah, that’s ’cause they’re one of their own:

    LOL I wonder if that buggy had the suspension system that makes the back bop up and down?

  • 234. James  |  March 12, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    That was funny.

  • 235. James  |  March 12, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Omaha is experimenting with enterprise zones, though I don’t know if they call them something else. Many blacks are successful in Omaha outside of the blighted areas. One was Herman Caan.

    Many blacks were free during the era of slavery, and some were slave holders.A slave hierarchy existed in the South. Some slaves were richer than some lower class slave owners. They had a cast system based on skin color according to a documentary on Public Radio. Rich blacks had favorite holiday resorts as whites did during the nineteenth century.

    Like their white counter parts , they tended to look down on the lower classes.

    Like blacks, Sami people were kidnapped and sold into slavery in New Sweden and later in a deal with the British colonies. A group tried to get Fins deported under the Asian Exclusion Act.

  • 236. Rutherford  |  March 12, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    James sadly you’re right about the color hierarchy among blacks. Damn, people are stupid!

  • 237. dead rabbit  |  March 12, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Yeah R, I’m ignorant as usual.

    I know a guy that lost every single family member in a death camp when he was 5 years old.

    But, since you fiercely and greedily defend the designation of victim, because you are pseudo-black and black apparently, he can’t be one.

    If that man wasn’t a victim of the Holocaust, I don’t know what the word victim means.

  • 238. PFesser  |  March 12, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    R –

    You ought to get a charge out of this: my oldest brother is the consummate bigot; he has finally got a dose of Alzheimer’s (he’s 80) and calmed down a bit.

    He was such an asshole to his kids that none of the five had any children of their own. Think about that a minute.

    That is, except his youngest daughter who – out of wedlock – finished her reproductive years by delivering him a black granddaughter. His *only* link to the future is a mulatto. Who said God has no sense of humour?

  • 239. James  |  March 12, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    Yes, R, people are stupid. Thanks for the Eddie Murphy video. I remember watching that. One of my favorites was Eddie Murphy’s black Mr Rogers.

    Our daughter had a History Day project about the Holocaust We interviewed a survivor who’s entire family was wiped out. She told us in detail about conditions and also the hard time they had after they were freed.

    She asked us to give a copy of the tape to her family after her death because she had never told them what she and her late husband endured. She later recorded an account for the Steven Speielburg collection. We kept in touch until she died.

    If we begin to believe anti-Jewish propaganda, we listen to the tape again.

    Another holocaust was in Cambodia. We don’t hear as much about it as we should.

  • 240. James  |  March 12, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Dead Rabbit, I wish I could send you a copy of the interview for your students. Hearing something like that first hand was an emotional experience.

  • 241. James  |  March 13, 2012 at 7:39 am

    Since no one has posted since yesterday, let me stir it up. I believe Democrats have been playing the “race card” for years. Their policies have contributed to the dysfunctional dependency of a class composed of all races. Patrick Monihan spoke of destructive policies in the sixties and used his famous term benign neglect.

    Black people are singled out because they are numerous and concentrated enough to influence elections, and like Poolman, most refuse to consider a candidate with an R.They are a guaranteed pool of voters Democrats can afford to take for granted. The Democratic party hopes to capture Hispanics in the same fashion.

    Keeping a class of people poor and dependent is Democratic strategy, at least on a subconscious level. Obama is also playing the race card when he tells minorities they must vote for him, and when he supports “blacks for Obama.’

    Politicians and opinion makers feed on the peoples’ ignorance to create a mood sympathetic to what benefits them. A poll shows a majority of those polled in several southern states believe Obama is a Muslim That is ridiculous. Equally ridiculous is Ed Shultz’s blaming it on Sarah Palin. He cited a scene in “Game Changer.”

    “Game Changer” is an act of fiction and includes many lies. Ed might as well have said Palin was so ignorant she could see Russia from her yard. Like her alleged Muslim statement, Sarah never said it. Tina Fey said it.

  • 242. El Tigre  |  March 13, 2012 at 11:02 am

    James you’re right. But like a child with a cupcake under their nose, R will always fall back on the race baiting rhetoric like his ace-in-the-hole.

    Why, look at this very post where R says in one breath:

    “Using the old guilt by association tactic, Hannity is telling you that Obama hates white people.”

    Followed in the comments section with:

    “Minorities in this country would all do a thousand time better if they focused on their only real oppressor … the white protestant male.”

    Don’t worry though When the discussion changes to the fruits of the policies he advocates for the black communities arises, R will back-peddle and tell you it’s a difficult conundrum.

    R will then vacillate back to one of his favorite MSNBC lines: “why would blacks vote against their interest” by choosing a Republican candidate.

    Then we’ll hear about “dog whistles” or some other bullshit.

    Since we’ve endured it with such regularity around here, I though I might give you a preview.

  • 243. Rutherford  |  March 13, 2012 at 11:03 am

    “Game Changer” is an act of fiction and includes many lies. Ed might as well have said Palin was so ignorant she could see Russia from her yard. Like her alleged Muslim statement, Sarah never said it. Tina Fey said it.

    First, the book and movie are called “Game Change”. Second, it is not fiction. I won’t elaborate in this comment because I’m writing a post about it later today.

    The logic of Ed Schultz runs this way. Sarah Palin said Obama “pals around with terrorists”. Lots of people think Muslim when they think terrorist. Hence, they make the leap that Obama is a Muslim. When you talk about two of the most racially hateful states in this country, Mississippi and Alabama, that leap is an easy one to make.

    One could defend Sarah by saying she’s not responsible for how Southern dumbf*cks interpret her message. I’m not so sure.

  • 244. El Tigre  |  March 13, 2012 at 11:10 am

    “One could defend Sarah by saying she’s not responsible for how Southern dumbf*cks interpret her message. I’m not so sure.”

    Yeah, like ho inner0-city dumb fucks interpret Obama’s messages to mean all of their bills will get paid and whitey will get his comeuppance.

  • 245. Rutherford  |  March 13, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Tigre, lets deal with the two comments you find somehow contradictory.

    First, Hannity did play the race card whether you want to admit it or not. He took a protest about faculty diversity, pulled a racist nugget out of the background of the professor, and tied it to Obama. What does that leave you with? Obama is racist and hates white people. Hannity didn’t need to go there … but any port in a storm when it comes to discrediting the POTUS.

    Now let’s look at the other statement you’ve glommed onto.

    Minorities in this country would all do a thousand time better if they focused on their only real oppressor … the white protestant male.

    I probably didn’t make my point well enough. There is no reason on Earth for Koreans, blacks, Jews, Catholics … and the list goes on … to resent each other. The American power structure populated primarily by white protestant men has made it hard for these sub-groups. As each of them arrived in America, they were treated poorly. So my point was when a dude has his foot on your neck and you look over yonder and see someone else with the same dude’s foot on his neck, why would you dislike the other guy instead of the one with his foot on your neck? Empathy should bind all the various minorities in this country. For some reason, it doesn’t. Segregation, usually self-imposed, rules the day and most folks don’t see any commonality between their problems and those of other minorities. I submit if they did, there would actually be a lot more harmony in this country and the tide would lift all boats.

  • 246. Rutherford  |  March 13, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Yeah, like ho inner0-city dumb fucks interpret Obama’s messages to mean all of their bills will get paid and whitey will get his comeuppance

    Wow what a failure of logic there. First the well circulated videos of dumb black women saying all their bills would get paid said nothing about “whitey getting his comeuppance”, so who’s playing victim now, Tigre? The other problem with your logic is there is a big difference between Obama’s positive message being misinterpreted too positively by some dumb folks vs Palin’s negative message being interpreted too negatively. In the first case, the worst scenario is some dumb people seeing that their bills aren’t getting paid. In the second case, the worst scenario could be an assassination attempt.

    I’ll take a guy slinging vacuous hope and change any day over someone slinging hateful sh*t. The potential consequences of each case are VERY different.

  • 247. El Tigre  |  March 13, 2012 at 11:28 am

    R, my comment was about Y-O-U playing the race card. You’ve proven my point. I, as a white protestant m,ale, have not done anything to oppress the black communities. So we’re just back at your “guilt by association” tactic and pleas for the victim status you believe validates your positions regardless of any amount of empirical evidence to the contrary.

    R, when it comes to discussions of race, shame on you. You are a harmful force. And worst of all, you don’t care because you have given yourself a false claim to moral superiority.

    James got it right.

    p.s. The video came about because of the timing of Breitbart’s death.

  • 248. PFesser  |  March 13, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Rutherford –

    Sometimes you are the most inconsistent fellow I have ever seen.

    Let me get this straight: all we see on TV or in our personal experience is black folks doing their level best to flout every Protestant work ethic known, while simultaneously committing enough crimes to get themselves into an 80% majority in the jailhouse, but we shouldn’t make any “leaps” as to why they are there.

    Then you start from “palling around with terrorists” and the next thing we know you have lept about four big ditches and land in your favorite spot of perpetual victimhood, with a little swipe at Southerners – Alabama and Mississippi in particular – where I would bet my left nut you have NEVER been – thrown in for good measure.

    Jesus christ, dude. Don’t you ever think about what you are saying?

    And BTW, I agree – Game Change is not a work of fiction. I felt they took very little literary license; in point of fact they were quite sympathetic to SP – a helluva lot more than I would have been.

  • 249. El Tigre  |  March 13, 2012 at 11:32 am

    “I’ll take a guy slinging vacuous hope and change any day over someone slinging hateful sh*t. ”

    You can take whatever you’d like. One of the difference between us is that I live in the inner-city, am a minority my neighborhood, and know what was said based on perceived promises.You just spew racial divisive bullshit when it helps you from having to address the merits of the positions you advocate or to deflect criticism of Dear Leader.

    The problem is your hero did in fact pal around with terrorists.

  • 250. poolman  |  March 13, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    I think Bush palled around with terrorists. It is almost impossible to not mingle with them in the political realm. Bush was with one of OBL’s brothers on 10 September 2001. A number of Saudis were able to take a flight out of the US on 12 September 2001 when all planes were grounded.

    Heck, I think Bibi is one of the most well known terrorists of today. Once again, it is a matter of perspective. What about the financial terrorism we’re seeing? Greenspan, Bernanke, Geithner… It isn’t necessarily the weaponry that makes one a terrorist.

    James said (comment 241) I would not consider a candidate with an “R” after his/her name. That is a misstatement of my expressed beliefs. I have and do support a candidate with an “R” after his name right now. Ron Paul. I have supported candidates with a “D” after their name in the past. It would be hard to vote in America without crossing that threshold. What I did say is I would not put up an “R” or a “D” to represent me.

    I did not watch Game Change, so I cannot comment about it. I have done a lot of Palin research in the past, but it matters not if she merely remains in the shadows. She is wealthy now and famous. It has helped her daughter Bristol receive fame and profit. I think it has forced Sarah to become more knowledgeable about things and she has upped her game somewhat.

  • 251. James  |  March 13, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    I’m sorry I wrote the title wrong. I should have checked before posting. I am also sorry for the long post, but you wrote “Game Change” is not a lie. My memory and some research have proven you wrong. “Game Change” is an entertaining lie.

    I haven’t seen the movie, so I have to rely on others. “Game Change” portrays most Republicans in a bad light.The movie could have mentioned Democrats which the book sometimes painted them unfavorably.

    Movie Palin rallies depict unhinged men yelling “Muslim” or “terrorist.” It didn’t happen around here. I think there were isolated cases of one or two people, but they weren’t the rule–certainly not most of the crowd.. Prove me wrong and find several examples on Youtube.

    I don’t think John McCain told Palin not to be co-opted by Rush and other extremists. Mc Cain wouldn’t have said anything like that. To give the impression he would have is a lie. If I’m wrong, prove it with quotes.

    I read that the movie portrayed Palin as unstable and demanding. Non- liberal Alaskans I asked say she was anything of the sort. She does have a bad temper and can be a jerk. I watched her at her book signings and political appeances. She was gracious, gave specific people shout outs, and she signed autographs for as long as it took for people go approach her. An Omaha talk show host who disagreed with her politically also said Sarah is a nice lady. Saturday Night Live characters agreed. The producer of the show said she could carry her own program if she wanted. Tina Fey also had good things to say about Palin.

    Elane Lafferty said Palin was smart “I’d heard rumors around the campaign of her photographic memory, and frankly, I watched it in action. She sees. She processes. She questions, and only then she acts.”

    Sarah faltered a bit during her Vice Presidential acceptance speech. I read later that her teleprompter had misfired. Let Obama do as well without electronic help. To say she is stupid is a lie.

    Sarah supposedly refused to go on stage with someone who was pro -choice. That is a lie. Prove me wrong. She appeared with Joe Lieberman, and the LA president of NOW introduced her at a rally. She also worked with liberals in Alaska.

    The movie suggested Sarah wanted to flee Alaska, yet she still lives there.

    The movie implied Sarah was not entirely cleared of wrong doing in Troopergate. The inquiry mentioned in the movie was conducted by liberals, and a later independent group cleared Palin of all ethics or abuse of power charges. The Associated Press reported it. Hollis French , a Democrat involved with the earlier group said McCain would have to deal with an October Surprise, because he knew they were trumping up charges. .

    The Anchorage Daily News wrote the “Branchfowler report was biased, partisan, incomplete and incompetent. ” Former state prosecutor Steve Branchwater used the wrong state law as the basis for his conclusions and also misconstrued the evidence.

    One reason Palin quit her office was the wave of liberal charges against her. I think there were 24 at one time. They were apparently baseless, but they were taking too much of her adminstration’s attention..

    The Chicago Tribune interviewed Arthur Clvahouus who was in charge of vetting Palin and asked if they had asked her any policy questions. They asked 74 questions, and McCain made the final decision.

    Randy Scheunemann, who used maps to brief Palin said he does that for all of his clients. He also said “The idea that any point Gov. Palin expressed any uncertainty as to who were the various sides in WW1 or WW11, or any other war, is absolutely untrue. She was incredibly intellegent. She asked very informed questions, and she wanted to understand McCain’s view of foreign policy.”

    Another lie is that Palin was a liability who cost McCain the election. He altered his schedule because she was drawing bigger crowds than he. Momentum was on their side. The ticket led in some polls until the crash.

    The movie was a liberal hatchet job, and I don’t think you can prove me wrong. That Ed Shultz would accuse Palin of fomenting Obama-muslim conspiracies based on a movie scene shows how far liberals will go to smear an enemy.

    Thanks El Tigre.

  • 252. James  |  March 13, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    In 14, Poolman wrote “Rabbit, this is why I would never put an “R” after my name.” I wondered about the inconstancy with his support of Ron Paul and and decided Ron Paul was an exception to the rule.

    It was an honest mistake I made by relying on my memory instead of going back to check.

  • 253. James  |  March 13, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    I agree Poolman, Sarah Palin is doing fine. She is probably better off as a commentator. That isn’t the issue.

    The issue is a group of people is defaming a person for political gain. They have a right to do it and to make money too. However, we have the duty to expose what they are doing. A future attempt could influence an election.

  • 254. James  |  March 13, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Osama has a huge family. Most disapprove of bin ladin’s activities. The relatives here at 9/11 were not terrorists. Financial managers and economists, while they might do great harm are not literal terrorists.

    El Tigre is right Obama did pal around with terrorists, communists and racialist religious leaders. Bush did not under the accepted definition.

  • 255. James  |  March 13, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Anita Dunn worked for the Obama administration. Now she works for a PR firm with “Game Change” and Sandra Fluke as clients. Maybe its a coincidence. Maybe not.

  • 256. Rutherford  |  March 13, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    I, as a white protestant m,ale, have not done anything to oppress the black communities.

    No one ever said Y O U did. That’s the liability of talking about groups. When we get down to individuals mileage may differ. I, as a black man, can’t really point to any particular oppression that has held me back. So that is not the point.

    This is a discussion of group dynamics. It’s also another failed attempt at a reasoned discussion about race … which is not the same as playing the race card.

  • 257. PFesser  |  March 13, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Hey pooldude –

    You’re a Biblical scholar, aren’t you? You know the Book of Esther? think it’s got any lessons for us today vis a vis Iran and the Jews? Didn’t we just have Purim?

    Enquiring minds want to know.

  • 258. Rutherford  |  March 13, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Then you start from “palling around with terrorists” and the next thing we know you have lept about four big ditches and land in your favorite spot of perpetual victimhood, with a little swipe at Southerners – Alabama and Mississippi in particular – where I would bet my left nut you have NEVER been – thrown in for good measure.

    How does the four ditch leap have anything to do with victimhood? The leap connects Sarah’s rhetoric with what some very stupid people in Alabama and Mississippi believe about the President. What does that have to do with victimhood?

    I’m pretty sure you’re right about Alabama and Mississippi. I’ve been to North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Arkansas and Texas (as far as the south is concerned) but I don’t think I’ve ever been to Alabama and Mississippi. Frankly, I hear very little that would make me want to visit there.

    As for black incarceration, part of the large prison population is due to a nonsensical war on drugs.

  • 259. Rutherford  |  March 13, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    The problem is your hero did in fact pal around with former terrorists who paid for their actions and became upstanding members of their community.

    I fixed it for you. ;-)

  • 260. Rutherford  |  March 13, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    I think it has forced Sarah to become more knowledgeable about things and she has upped her game somewhat.

    Not if you ask Steve Schmidt from the campaign. He says she is as dumb now as she ever was,

  • 261. Rutherford  |  March 13, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    I watched her at her book signings and political appeances.

    You’re kidding right? You expect her to have a nervous breakdown or a hissy fit at a book signing or political appearance? C’mon James.

    More later.

  • 262. PFesser  |  March 13, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    “As for black incarceration, part of the large prison population is due to a nonsensical war on drugs.”

    And why should that hit one race harder than another when that race is about 1/6 or so the size of the majority population?

    Personally I would decriminalize all drug use, but they never listen to me…but having said that, the problem with jails is that they are full of LAWBREAKERS.

  • 263. James  |  March 13, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    I wouldn’t judge her on that alone, but it fits the rest of what I’ve heard. Some writers act bored or irritated. Palin behaved as if she wanted to be nowhere else than to greet a mob of people waving their books in her face.

    Steve Schmidt may have had an ax to grind. Other people such as the ones I cited told the tale differently, but no one asked them. You had better ask the others too.

    Youtube has bits of the movie if you want to see them. One showed the managers wincing when Palin said you could see Russia from Alaska. Big Dionmede Island in Russia is two miles from Little Diomede Island in Alaska. They are visible from each other. If that scene happened, the advisers, not Palin were ignorant.

    The two islands are partly submerged mountains from the land bridge.

    I’m sorry to have monopolized the blog this morning. We will be gone for awhile, so you will be free of me today.

  • 264. PFesser  |  March 13, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Steve has a reason to have an ax to grind. She lost the election for McCain.

    I would never have considered voting for Obama – no experience in governance whatsoever, never did any type of public service (community organizer my ass – what the hell is that?) versus a real hero who demonstrated incredible integrity in captivity with years of public service. But when I got to the polling place I started thinking of Palin – who thinks the world is going to end in her lifetime – with her thumb on the button that could make that happen – I just couldn’t do it. I was like the woman in Game Change. I just couldn’t do it.

    Don’t doubt for a minute that Sarah Palin is what got Barack Hussein Obama elected president of the United States. Steve with an ax to grind? You betcha.

  • 265. thorsaurus  |  March 13, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    “Anita Dunn worked for the Obama administration. Now she works for a PR firm with “Game Change” and Sandra Fluke as clients. Maybe its a coincidence. Maybe not.” – J

    Dick Morris helped get Clinton elected. Now he is one of Obama’s and Hillary’s greatest critics. Some of these politicos are true believers, but many others are simply mercenaries, hired guns.

  • 266. thorsaurus  |  March 13, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    “Secondly, no one group through out world history has been persecuted like the Jews.”

    Women?

  • 267. El Tigre  |  March 13, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    “The problem is your hero did in fact pal around with former terrorists who paid for their actions and became upstanding members of their community.”

    Yet Obama denies the connection. . . :roll:

    And “No one ever said Y O U did. That’s the liability of talking about groups. When we get down to individuals mileage may differ. I, as a black man, can’t really point to any particular oppression that has held me back. So that is not the point.”

    So who are the WASPS that all minorities should band against?

    You ARE a remorseless agitator, Rutherford. That you don’t really care is character flaw — and sad for a man of your intelligence and education. What a shame.

  • 268. thorsaurus  |  March 13, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    “And why should that hit one race harder than another when that race is about 1/6 or so the size of the majority population?” – PF

    Yeah, why is that? From what I can see, there are three or four “experts” on race contributing to this thread. Theories as to why such a thing might happen, experts?”

  • 269. Rutherford  |  March 13, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    One showed the managers wincing when Palin said you could see Russia from Alaska.

    James, you’re missing the point. They didn’t wince because Palin said Russia could be seen from Alaska. They winced because Palin suggested this gave her some foreign policy bona fides.

    More later.

  • 270. Rutherford  |  March 13, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    You ARE a remorseless agitator

    LOL … I’m almost flattered at that one. I’ve always considered myself a wimpy couch potato. :-)

  • 271. poolman  |  March 13, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    You’re a Biblical scholar, aren’t you?

    No. But I have read it through many times and can recount much of it from memory.

    You know the Book of Esther? think it’s got any lessons for us today vis a vis Iran and the Jews? Didn’t we just have Purim?

    Yes, the Jews recently celebrated Purim, and it is based on their salvation from the attempted genocide at the hand of Haman in ancient Persia as recounted in the Book of Ester.

    The Book of Ester giving us lessons for today? Well, that would assign a bit of a moral value to those stories of old, wouldn’t it? :wink: I think of all the books in the Bible, that is the only one that does NOT mention God. It does illustrate justice, a turning of the tables, if you will – good triumphant over evil. And, like most OT books, plenty of bloodshed to boot.

    I suppose it could apply to Iran and Israel, but only if Bibi is playing the part of Haman and the Iranians are playing the Jews. Otherwise, I cannot see a close comparison. The Palestinians would better represent the oppressed peoples, if we really wanted to get technical.

    It is an interesting tale, BTW. Sarah Palin has often been compared to Ester. Ester was a secret Jew who charmed her way (think sexually) into becoming queen. Her position of influence was used, but only after severe pressure from her uncle. Defying the threat of death, she revealed her true heritage and rescued her people from genocide. She turned the tables on her enemies and allowed her people, the Jews, to kill off all their oppressors.

  • 272. dead rabbit  |  March 13, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Tigre, when Rutherford makes his silly remarks how minorities should band against their true “enemies”, the WASPS, he’s just acting out. Always remember, he is scared to death of blacks and has nothing in common with them. It’s all very academic, to him. Superficial.

    It’s very possible that Rutherford is still stuck in his sophomore year of college. He certainly isn’t very educated. Outside of presidential trivia, my man hasn’t offered much insight of the current cable news cycle.

    Although I don’t fall into the WASP category, as technically I’m a second generation Catholic immigrant (sounds funny to even me when I read such stuff) I’ve long learned the best way to deal with a racist black guy is meet him on his own turf.

    Hey Rutherford, how come blacks don’t eat chocolate?

    So they don’t bite their fingers!!!!

    Heyyyyoooooo! I heard a laugh!

    err…..Tough crowd.

    If 3 out of 4 of my grand parents were born in Lithuania, does that make me 2nd generation? Or 3rd? My Mom’s side is Polish but come from Vilnius, Lithuania. My Dad’s side comes from deep in the Lithuanian country side.

    Just to piss off all the Polocks I play softball with, instead of getting the required cheesy Polish Eagle tattoo, despite the fact half of them couldn’t find Poland on the map, I got this …for the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. That tattoo would probably now get me killed in both Lithuania and Poland.

    Fucking tattoos…so damn cheesy, but so addictive.

    When I have a bad week….in a funk….I just go to my buddy’s house and get another tattoo. Rejuvenates me.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Herb_Rzeczypospolitej_Obojga_Narodow.svg

  • 273. dead rabbit  |  March 13, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    my man hasn’t offered much insight OUTSIDE of the current cable news cycle.

  • 274. Alfie  |  March 13, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    @ Rutherford #219….Are you f@#%ing kidding me????!!!!!!!!!!!

    Let’s just go through the superficial aspects of it.
    1. The Koreans not unlike every group that has undertaken the American Dream were isolated. They didn’t employ self segregation they responded to realities. Ask a West Indies black how the brothers like them.
    2. Koreans just like the prior masses suffered through the hardships of running businesses which greatly depended on family being the “hired” help. The mom and pops are universally notorious for their hiring,it is based on the realities of needs with a dash of culture.
    3. You have talked of Bed Sty. What do you know of Crown Heights. There and KoreaTown in LA have always shown some silly shit regards the clash of cultures. One example of how blacks are widely agreed that they find it insulting that Asian market folks don’t look at them and place change from a transaction in their hand. Truth is it is a cultural thing,it is impolite to look at people when handling money and placing it on the counter is a matter of respecting personal space etc.
    You went to Harvard….how familiar are you with the demos of Roxbury,Dorchester and Mattapan,especially the section highlighted by Blue Hill Ave? Unique page in Bostonian history paves that street.

  • 275. poolman  |  March 13, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    Movie Palin rallies depict unhinged men yelling “Muslim” or “terrorist.” It didn’t happen around here. I think there were isolated cases of one or two people, but they weren’t the rule–certainly not most of the crowd.. Prove me wrong and find several examples on Youtube.

    Too easy. They are legion. Here’s just one short:

  • 276. dead rabbit  |  March 14, 2012 at 12:22 am

    Oh no….we’re not all going to start showcasing different videos of individuals at political rallies again, are we?

    Here is how I judge public demonstrations.

    i asses whatever their official stance is (either the candidate they are supporting or their said demonstration’s demands) and take notice if they are being violent or breaking the law.

    I then move along.

    So sick of this gotcha game.

  • 277. poolman  |  March 14, 2012 at 12:37 am

    Actually, I’d rather not rehash all that garbage James has been obsessed with Palin since she came on the scene and he will always defend her. I should not have taken his bait.

    Really, the crap we are doing globally is probably what we should be looking at. The use of our military by globalists and the global control of printing our dollars that is going on no matter who is in the oval office.

    This other political posturing is worthless chatter.

    Unless, of course, you’re ready to get fuzzy and suck up to Santorum.

  • 278. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 12:39 am

    As odd as this country is, I say everybody should brace themselves for President Santorum. Only in America could a man be smeared (ewwwww) on Google and become the POTUS.

    Mitt can eat all the “cheesy grits” he wants. He can’t seem to win in the South. Maybe he’ll at least win Hawaii.

    Alfie, regarding Asians giving change, you raise an excellent point about misunderstood cultural norms. I had an Indian working for me years ago who would never leave my office with his back to me. He would literally back out of my office and only turn around once he was through the door. I found it the oddest damn thing. But I’m pretty sure it had something to do with respect. (Either that or he thought I’d thumb my nose at him the minute he turned around. :-) )

  • 279. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 12:45 am

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. So could someone tell me why I enter into these discussions of race on this board? It always comes down to my trying to make a social/historical case and most of you calling it excuse making, racism, etc. etc. with the bottom line that blacks deserve everything they get cos they don’t put in the effort that every other peer minority does.

    I may start a new policy that if I feel compelled to write a piece on race, I’ll just close comments for those articles. I’ll write two pieces on those days so everyone gets a non-racial post to comment on.

    Or maybe I’ll create a new section along side The Roman Coliseum, called The Ghetto where I can rant on race to my heart’s content whenever the mood strikes me. :neutral:

  • 280. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 12:48 am

    Poolman, my next post which I plan to publish tomorrow will be right up James’ alley. :-)

  • 281. poolman  |  March 14, 2012 at 1:13 am

    What more needs to be written on race? It’s fruitless.

    Race and religion are not issues needing solutions. We all need to belong to something bigger than ourselves. We feel safer that way. Security = peace.

    It’s part of that womb we’re all trying to reestablish or get back to.

    That’s why we’re passionate about those issues. Plus the control thingy. Micromanagement. We struggle with that. And there’s the pride thingy and the greed selfish thingy. Damn, and the entitlement crap… man, we humans are burdened with all kinds of quirks.

  • 282. poolman  |  March 14, 2012 at 2:32 am

  • 283. PFesser  |  March 14, 2012 at 5:48 am

    “And why should that hit one race harder than another when that race is about 1/6 or so the size of the majority population?” – PF

    ‘Yeah, why is that? From what I can see, there are three or four “experts” on race contributing to this thread. Theories as to why such a thing might happen, experts?”’

    Well, I see two possibilities: one is that it’s because “the man” is oppressing those poor black boys and putting them in jail at a rate/100 at least ten times that of the general population (I don’t know the real number; I just made that up.)

    The other is that at least 90% of the reason they are in there is because they committed a crime and a court, after hearing both sides of the case, sent them there.

    Which do you pick, R? Or do you have another explanation?

  • 284. PFesser  |  March 14, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Well, well, well…I see santorum (Ol’ Frothy) won Miss and Ala.

    Keep it up, boys. You are just assuring that our next president is Barack Obama. And I assure you, I’m going to help – and so are a lot of Independents just like me.

  • 285. El Tigre  |  March 14, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Geez R. There’s still value to your rants about race.

    I now know I need to band together with my fellow WASPs to protect myself from your angry minority army that needs to keep me and my family down if they’re going to rise. :roll:

    Yeah, I think unless your opinions evolve you should shut the fuck up about race.

  • 286. James  |  March 14, 2012 at 9:21 am

    you got me there Poolman. One for you.

    It didn’t happen around here. That it didn’t shows what we are like. I refer you to Iowa Nice on YouTube.The man who said Obama’s cabinet wouldn’t represent America was right, though. It doesn’t.

    I am not obsessed with Palin. I am obsessed with how the politicians use character assassination to destroy political opponents. The Clinton administration called it the politics of personal destruction. This one is too obvious to ignore. Arguing about politically motivated personal attacks is more fun than arguing about race. Poolman likes conspiracy theories, so I will indulge myself. I think the timing of this movie shows Democrats were afraid Palin would run and this was their way of damaging her credibility.

    Rutherford, why, in that scene did the characters wince when Palin said one could see Russia from Alaska? Their reaction implies surprise. Why would they be surprised if they were already dismayed? And why would they wince when Sarah said something which was true? That scene was played as it was to reinforce the writers’ point that Sarah was ignorant. It appears to be an attempt to reinforce Tina Fey’s Saturday Night Live skit, and it was there for dramatic effect. I wonder how many people know about the Dionomede Islands.

    I already gave a quote from a handler who said Palin was a quick learner, and she was eager to learn McCain’s views of foreign affairs. Most governors are locally oriented. Like Bush with Mexico, she had contacts with neighboring Russia, but neither had foreign policy expertise. Neither did Obama. You are the one who missed the point. One for me.

    Pfessor, I read that some of the campaign accused Steve of bad judgement and that some of his decisions hurt Palin. Therefore, he may be rationalizing from his mistakes and dumping on Palin so he will look better.

    Or thor may have described it best. It could be akin to James Carvile’s saying “drag a ten dollar bill through a trailer park,” and see what you get.

    You were in the minority, Pfessor. Many people, especially conservative true believers voted for McCain because of Palin. The ticket led in some polls before the crash. Palin, not McCain, gave them momentum. McCain lost the election for himself when he dithered around as the crash began. Obama exuded coolness and ability. He looked more presidential than McCain, and people were scared.

  • 287. James  |  March 14, 2012 at 9:37 am

    A Pew study shows liberals tend to be meaner to people who disagree with them than conservatives are. Personal experience already told most of us that.

    You are probably tired of my writing this, but I do appreciate the blog and people who write here.

    A book titled “Hollywood Hypocrites” also tells us what we already know.

    You have a point, El Tigre. Professor Bell and others would subgigate whites and take our stuff in the name of justice. Eric Holder may be our future.

  • 288. James  |  March 14, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Stanley Fish titled a column in the New York Times, “Two Cheers for Double Standards.” It explains why liberals can be as nasty as they want to be because they are self-identified as better people. They never have to hold their friends to the same standards they invent for those they oppose.

    It explains the Pew study, the Rush-Fluke controversy, Solidad’s snit, Obama’s associates, Professor Bell, and a movie .

  • 289. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 10:43 am

    Which do you pick, R? Or do you have another explanation?

    How about a combination of both? It’s well known that the criminal penalties for crack cocaine are harsher than for powdered cocaine. Crack is used disproportionately by blacks. Now I won’t sit here and say there is malicious intent behind the different penalties but it ought to be fixed.

    James there is an easy way out for both of us. Your easy way out is to say blacks just don’t give a damn and get themselves in trouble. My easy way out is to say blacks deal every day with the legacy of slavery which is discrimination and constant “other-ness”.

    Guess what James? The truth is a combination of both.

  • 290. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 10:45 am

    PF, see my earlier comment. Only in America could a frothy mixture wind up in the White House.

    I ain’t gettin’ cocky just yet.

  • 291. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 10:46 am

    I think unless your opinions evolve …

    Ah and you have enlightened evolved opinions on the matter? :roll:

  • 292. James  |  March 14, 2012 at 11:29 am

    I agree Rutherford, the truth is a combination of both.

    I also believe Democrats are using blacks to benefit themselves. The status quo helps them. It elected Obama, and he hopes it will again. They care about votes, not minorities.

    The dominant race in this country is white. If it gets too rough for marginally appearing people, they can declare themselves to be another race. I’ve written before how some of my Finish ancestors declared themselves Swedes. Blacks have done the same thing.

    If like most people, you fit the mean appearance, you are stuck. You have to stand on your own against negative stereotypes. I’m not minimizing slavery, but I think the worst enemy is stereotypes.

    Tom Hanks is a producer of “Game Change.” On March 10. he tweeted “Palin must be destroyed.”

  • 293. dead rabbit  |  March 14, 2012 at 11:36 am

    I am truely shocked.

    CBO is now saying Obamacare is twice as expensive as we were told.

    Honestly, I’m kind of impressed. They were only 100 percent wrong. Not bad.

    Don’t worry though, Thor’s raging GDP growth will get us out of this debt.

  • 294. El Tigre  |  March 14, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    “Ah and you have enlightened evolved opinions on the matter? ”

    Compared to you, hell-fuckin’-yes! I also have life experiences, personal a familial relationships to draw from in forming my views. You on the other hand have MSNBC. I drive blocks from my home to see the great deeds cast upon the inner-city black community that you think is deserving of more of the same in perpetuity because they can’t be “blamed” for their condition.

    R, I can have a discussion of race. You can not. In your typical liberal-media-induced frenzies lay blame for all social ills at the feet of your opponents, which incidentally now include my grade school children as the “oppressor class.”

    Rather than discuss the subject of race constructively and with a modicum of objectivity, as always — ALWAYS — you resort to reckless accusations of racism and black victim-hood perpetrated by modern white society such that the black community is deserving of the democrats — their benevolent captors.

    Your juvenile comments about “banding together against WASPS” is my exhibit “A.” Offensive and wrong — but to you justified as the arbiter of racial injustice on your self-determined moral superiority. After all, you are a compassionate liberal. :roll:

    Thanks for all of your “charity” Rutherford. Look at the good it has done.

    You may go back to calling conservatives bigots, racists, misogynistic gay-bashers now. Convincing. Your job is done here. :roll:

  • 295. thorsaurus  |  March 14, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    “Ah and you have enlightened evolved opinions on the matter?” – R

    He’s a Swedish dude, raised in Boston and now living in Atlanta. I’m sure he’s had to change his view on a few things. Grits maybe … ?
    Then again maybe not. That sh*t’s nasty. ;)

  • 296. thorsaurus  |  March 14, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    “When I have a bad week….in a funk….I just go to my buddy’s house and get another tattoo. Rejuvenates me.” DR

    So let me get this straight, you have a tattoo on your body representing every bad week you’ve ever had? Wow, showering must be an extremely depressing act for you. ;)

    “Just to piss off all the Polocks I play softball with, instead of getting the required cheesy Polish Eagle tattoo, despite the fact half of them couldn’t find Poland on the map, I got this …for the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. That tattoo would probably now get me killed in both Lithuania and Poland.”

    Is that a Soviet-era reference, or is there some sort of Pol-Lith unification movement underway? I know I could just Google it, but your stories are so much more fun. :)

  • 297. thorsaurus  |  March 14, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Encyclopedia Britannica has announced it will no longer print its volumes. Strictly digital-online. I can still remember the smell of opening one of those wonderful books in my parents’ living room.

    The printed word is dying, how depressing. Maybe I need a tattoo. ;)

  • 298. El Tigre  |  March 14, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    James, Tex left this on BiC’s blog. I wanted to be sure you saw it — especially since you suffered through the tongue-lashing I got from Rutherford about MSNBC’s new prime-time host, Al Sharpton.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/03/13/NBC-News-Sharptons-Racist-Homophobic-Rants-Sexist

  • 299. El Tigre  |  March 14, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Rabbit, that must be a bumper crop of nits you be pickin’ when it comes to Obamacare. Million, Billion, Trillion what’s the difference? So long as it got passed. . .

  • 300. thorsaurus  |  March 14, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    “Don’t worry though, Thor’s raging GDP growth will get us out of this debt.” – DR

    Ow!

    Well, don’t worry. The “job creators” still have 9 months left of their 12 YEAR tax cut window-of-opportunity to get things rolling. I’m sure they are just about ready to “trickle” on us. ;) Go job creators, go!

  • 301. poolman  |  March 14, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Republicans would never commit voter fraud, right? I mean, that was supposedly ACORN’s undoing, at least the accusations of fraud is what eventually brought them down. Maybe it’s okay to do it, if it’s among “friendlies”. Rules apply differently to “team” members maybe. Yeah, that’s got to be the ticket…

  • 302. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    I didn’t bother to listen to Tex’s link over at BiW’s but fine …. I listened to it just now Tigre and I ask … when were the remarks made? I know for a fact David Dinkens hasn’t been mayor of New York for a good long time.

    So yeah, compare what Sharpton said 20 years ago to what Rush said yesterday. Yup, makes perfect sense. :neutral:

  • 303. poolman  |  March 14, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    We don’t need no education
    We don’t need no thought control…

  • 304. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Tigre do you actually bother to read my clarifications or does your head get so blown up with outrage that your eyes stop working? “Fighting the WASP” is divisive and pretty reprehensible. That wasn’t the bottom line I was shooting for.

    I said .. and I’ll say again … I was discussing why minorities resent each other when they should have empathy for each other having been discriminated against by the same power structure. Why is that so hard to grok?

  • 305. El Tigre  |  March 14, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    “So yeah, compare what Sharpton said 20 years ago to what Rush said yesterday. Yup, makes perfect sense.”

    Good defense. :roll: I would’ve thought you’d denounce the comments, not excuse them. Figures.

    So Sharpton apologized before they gave him a spot on your beloved MSNBC?

  • 306. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Oh …. and another thing …. Tigre, you’ve written in the past about how your boy has been treated poorly because of assumptions made because he’s white. I told you then and I repeat it now that that breaks my heart. No kid should have to lose sleep over the stupidity of adults.

  • 307. El Tigre  |  March 14, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    “I said .. and I’ll say again … I was discussing why minorities resent each other when they should have empathy for each other having been discriminated against by the same power structure. Why is that so hard to grok?”

    Because it’s fucking nonsense.

  • 308. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    I would’ve thought you’d denounce the comments, not excuse them. Figures.

    Who excused them? I’ve said numerous times that Sharpton was a hustler and I’m no big fan of his. I DO think he has attempted to clean up his image. I assure you Phil Griffin would not have hired him 20 years ago.

    What I’m arguing is …. don’t toss 20 year old crap at me to somehow justify what Rush said yesterday. That boat don’t float. You should stick to Ed Schultz and Keith Olbermann and quit while you’re ahead.

  • 309. El Tigre  |  March 14, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    “No kid should have to lose sleep over the stupidity of adults.”

    You’re one of them R. As you’ve amply shown, the liberal mindset encourages bigotry and racism as so-called means combating bigotry and racism.

    But hey. Since my children are part of the white power structure that oppresses — I guess their friends and classmates, well they deserve it.

    You’re observations and “solutions” are no solution at all. Why is that so hard for you to grok Rutherford?

  • 310. El Tigre  |  March 14, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Where did I say Limbaugh in my comment?

  • 311. El Tigre  |  March 14, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    For context, read this R:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/03/13/Al%20Sharpton%20Slut-Gate

  • 312. poolman  |  March 14, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Breitbart? Talk about your blatant propaganda packaged as investigative journalism. Some accuse Aljazeera of the same, and some of it has been, from my experience. But this piece seems mostly accurate and credible regarding Rush’s influence and purpose.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/03/2012310112911500270.html

  • 313. El Tigre  |  March 14, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    “Breitbart? Talk about your blatant propaganda packaged as investigative journalism.”

    Yeah. With its videos and everything.

    Well, back to the anti-Semitic rags with ya. . . :roll:

  • 314. dead rabbit  |  March 14, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    “Wow, showering must be an extremely depressing act for you. “-Thor

    Yes it is. But it has nothing to do with my tattoos. :(

  • 315. PFesser  |  March 14, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    “Wow, showering must be an extremely depressing act for you. “-Thor
    Yes it is. But it has nothing to do with my tattoos.

    I know how you feel. I haven’t seen my friend in years.

  • 316. James  |  March 14, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    Thanks for the link El Tigre. Al Sharpton is a piece of work isn’t he?

    I remember the Tawanna Brawley case when Sharpton demanded justice from innocent white men. I think one of the men was a police officer who committed suicide during that time. An attorney lost his job and his wife divorced him. He won a civil suit of nearly $70,000 which Sharpton refused to pay.

    Poor baby. He must have had trouble paying for his next pair of shoes. The settlement was unpaid for 20 years until Johnny Cochran paid it for him.

    Say what you will about Sharpton’s repentance. His refusal to pay the settlement says something even louder.

    Yes, Poolman, “with videos and everything.”

    Breitbart owned more truth than the Democrats and Obama. For example, not only did they lie about the cost of the health insurance bill, they lied about tax support of abortion.When someone is insured under that system, he/she pays twice. First comes a $1 abortion surcharge and later the main bill.

    The Democrats promised the law would not fund abortion. And you have the guts to criticize the Breitbart organization.

  • 317. James  |  March 14, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Ron Paul said he had no proof of voter fraud. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t any. Democrats have been more blatant about stealing votes and finding lost ballots in car trunks than Republicans. Both sides commit fraud.

    It is why we need voter IDs. The Democrats like Eric Holder, who so strongly oppose IDs, probably know they can win on stolen votes.

  • 318. poolman  |  March 14, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Yes, I have the guts (if that’s what it takes) to criticize the Breitbart “organization”. I also criticize the “liberal” media when they deserve it. I am far from being a lefty.

    I have not seen a video from Breitbart that was a straight forward unedited clip in full, and not taken out of context. Do you know if one exists? I prefer to do my own thinking, thank you very much.

  • 319. El Tigre  |  March 14, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Then criticize the Breitbart organization by pointing to something specific Poolman. What videos are you referring to?

    As for Breitbart, he was an unapologetic conservative, but many of the characterizations of him now slung around by the ignorant couldn’t be further from the truth. He was pro-civil rights, pro-drug legalization, pro-gay rights, to the point of boycotting CPAC when it barred the gay conservative group GOProud. Other than his mainstream pro-life views (he was, after all, adopted) on social issues he was real departure.

    I’ve found that those that claim to despise never articulate why. So I throw the challenge to you Poolman. If you are your own thinker (guffaw), point it out with specificity.

  • 320. poolman  |  March 14, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Let us take the specific video presented in Rutherford’s post. On it’s own, it doesn’t come off as anything Breitbart’s organization is trying to claim it does. Even with his emphasis.

    Only in his “organization’s” hands does it purport to convey his predetermined message. The vetting of Obama, that he so bragged about at CPAC, requires his “framing” so we can all “see” it. Look up propaganda. If his picture isn’t there, they haven’t updated their hall of fame.

  • 321. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    You’re observations and “solutions” are no solution at all.

    I think my observations are worth some discourse. I’m certainly not the only one who has made such observations.

    As for solutions, I don’t recall providing any. On that, El Tigre, you’ve got me.

  • 322. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    Where did I say Limbaugh in my comment?

    You’re kidding right? The whole point of bringing up Sharpton is to point out the double standard vis-a-vis Rush Limbaugh’s recent “persecution”.

    Then you post an article link for context … and what is it about? What libs say vs Rush Limbaugh. So no you didn’t need to mention Limbaugh in your comment …. he is the whole reason we’re having this discussion.

    “Today, Obama sits at 41% in opinion polls.”

    That was from your article. What a difference an “s” makes. The article is bullsh*t. He sat at 41% in one opinion poll. Another poll came out today putting him at 50% again.

    So puhlleeeeze.

  • 323. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    It is why we need voter IDs.

    James, you’re hitting all my hot buttons.

    There is no substantial voter fraud going on in the United States today. The various voter id laws are a solution in search of a problem.

  • 324. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    to the point of boycotting CPAC when it barred the gay conservative group GOProud.

    He may have done that one year but he sure didn’t do it in 2012. GOProud was not at CPAC this year and Andrew was.

  • 325. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Poolman …. all I can say is THANK YOU!

  • 326. poolman  |  March 14, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    No problem. I calls ‘em as I sees ‘em. I’m glad that occasionally one falls in your court. :smile:

    It’s a wonder these guys’ heads don’t explode, though I do think a few have imploded.

    Here’s a clip of Santorum telling a critic if he wants a true conservative, vote for Ron Paul. :cool:

  • 327. El Tigre  |  March 14, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    The Breitbart video is neither edited nor does it show anything different than what was represented. Try again Poolman. Soledad already got schooled on this by the “Breitbart organization.”

    Next.

    (wordpress is blocking me now)

  • 328. El Tigre  |  March 14, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    “You’re kidding right? The whole point of bringing up Sharpton is to point out the double standard vis-a-vis Rush Limbaugh’s recent “persecution”.”

    or

    “What I’m arguing is …. don’t toss 20 year old crap at me to somehow justify what Rush said yesterday. That boat don’t float. You should stick to Ed Schultz and Keith Olbermann and quit while you’re ahead..”

    Make up your mind R. :roll:

    Did you see any mention of Olberman or Schultz? Yes you did.

    Nowhere did I try to “justify what Limbaugh said.”

    Is this so hard to grok?

  • 329. El Tigre  |  March 14, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    ‘He sat at 41% in one opinion poll. Another poll came out today putting him at 50% again.

    So puhlleeeeze.”

    So all of the articles and commentary on your beloved MSNBC blaming his lowered approval on high gas prices was a mirage. . . :roll:

    In any event, you found different polling numbers. . . so what? You already acknowledged the point and it wasn’t whether different polls had him at 43% 41% or 50%.

    Quit being so desperate for validation. The problem is the double standard and its obviousness. It’s a problem for you and your ilk with the track record of “impermissible” comments when you set a standard you obviously won’t apply to yourselves.

  • 330. El Tigre  |  March 14, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Why can’t I post a comment without “logging in” using the email address I’ve supplied for years?

  • 331. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Hey Poolman if you think Santorum “endorsing” Paul is bad … how bout Romney’s son “endorsing” Obama? :-D

    “I’m not here to talk about President Obama. I think he is great,” Matt Romney insisted. “I’m here to talk about my dad and what he would bring to the country.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/13/romneys-son-praises-obama-he-is-great/

  • 332. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    Tigre, I don’t know what you did to piss WordPress off. I don’t see anything different in your credentials from before you started going into moderation.

    Hopefully now that I’ve approved the comments you’ll be restored to your rightful place. :-)

    P.S. Maybe an IP address change? Are you commenting from a different computer? That shouldn’t matter but I know when I banned Elric back in the day he got through with a different IP address.

  • 333. Rutherford  |  March 14, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Wups cancel that ….. I did find a discrepancy Tigre. You mistyped your email address (which I guess is a bogus one anyway). Hint:you left a number out.

  • 334. poolman  |  March 14, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    The Breitbart video is neither edited nor does it show anything different than what was represented.

    Where is the beginning and the end then, and why does the 1:08, 1:09, and 1:10 min frames jump out of sync?

    Do you even understand what editing is? And you think Soledad got schooled? ***GUFFAW***

  • 335. El Tigre  |  March 14, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    I left the number out so it could go through.

    When I use the good ol’ El Tigre, I get a message that says:

    “You must be logged in to comment with that email address.”

    I don’t like square pink frowny-face guy. Purple octagon dude wearing glasses was my alter ego!

  • 336. El Tigre  |  March 14, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    “Where is the beginning and the end then, and why does the 1:08, 1:09, and 1:10 min frames jump out of sync?”

    Oh that’s where you can see Elvis giving commands for the planes to strike the WTC. :roll:

    That’s your defense counsel R. If I were you, I’d just plead guilty and spare yourself the embarrassment.

    Soledad had her ass handed to her. The lack of journalistic integrity she exhibited made the point. And she was shamed. That’s why she tried her hand at a rebuttal that got killed by bloggers that had to recite the text of Bell’s “work” to correct her idiocy.

  • 337. James  |  March 14, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    You weren’t paying attention Poolman. Soledad lost her cool so badly she was sputtering. We covered this before. The video’s main impact was the commentators’ bias and failure to maintain their composure when they couldn’t control the discussion. Non- liberals are laughing at her.

    She is asking for hostile tweets to end.

    I think the latest video was a segment of larger whole. Considering the subject, I don’t think we would have seen much more in the entire tape unless it was recorded before or after Obama appeared.

    “I prefer to do my own thinking, thank you very much.” You do very well at it, even when it is skewed. Breitbart has a better record than some news organizations do even if they are creatively editing. To say otherwise, puts you on thin ice.

  • 338. James  |  March 14, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    Rutherford, I am a loyal person. I am developing a loyalty toward this blog. Its why I stopped here after feeling a stabbing sensation on my back at another blog.

    I will do whatever I can to add to the traffic here whether it is insulting Poolman’s thought processes or making your head explode. I know someone will respond.I don’t mean to pick on Poolman, but his finding a link to a Palin crowd gave you another number. Some days, I feel controversial, some days, I don’t.

    Voter registration fraud is different from voter fraud as you know, and Rotten Acorn’s fraud map shows many examples of voter registration fraud.

    Brennan Center for Justice, an organization which believes voter IDs are not necessary cited over 300 cases of possible voter fraud over the last decade or a little longer. Some were accidents. One woman registered incorrectly and returned to register again. She was charged but aquited for a clerical error.Had she brought ID, it probably wouldn’t have happened.

    A bigger problem is absentee ballots.

    Ohio was a hot bed of voter fraud according to Democrats. They believed it was so serious, it might have given Kerry the win. IDs would have clarified the issue.

    Omaha’s Mayor Suttle was in a recall election. Someone in his campaign visited homeless shelters and paid the people to vote for Suttle. They were caught when a man asked a reporter “where’s my money?” Suttle’s people decided that group’s voting was unwise.

    I think we need a voter ID, even if the incidence is rare today. It might not be in the future.

    I also think people who don’t know the names of their office-holders should not be allowed to vote. BOOM!!

  • 339. poolman  |  March 14, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    That’s your defense counsel R.

    Actually in this case, you were defense. You were defending your source. No wonder nobody wins this game, all we do is keep switching roles. If we’re not defending victims, we’re defending perps.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    James, I always pay attention. I thought Soledad was very snippy after she immediately pegged the race-baiter she was “debating”. He kept trying to “color” the interview. I found him very offensive and she did not handle it well or professionally, but effectively pissed him off. That is not the same as what you are accusing her of. Intolerance doesn’t look pretty in an interview. Contempt isn’t photogenic and ladylike, as women are required to be.

    CRT is a race theory. Duh! That doesn’t make it or anyone studying it racist. That’s where those cognitive connections are getting hung up and things are going to erupt.

    I have said I do not take one “news organization’s” information as gospel. Breitbart HAD an agenda, and it was not secret. The man was passionate and driven, but that doesn’t always mean his compass pointed due north. Everyone has a bias. Understanding that is key to perspective. Getting at what is truth is a constant honing and chiseling of source material. The more rounded, the better.

  • 340. poolman  |  March 15, 2012 at 1:37 am

    Jon Stewart is usually good at putting this stuff in perspective. Here’s his take on Rushbo’s latest rant and controversy.

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-march-13-2012/the-vulgar-games

  • 341. El Tigre  |  March 15, 2012 at 2:19 am

    Poolman, you’re just plain weird. You were defending R.

    Stewart added nothing to the discussion. I should’ve known better than to waste my time watching one of your dumb clips.

    “The right” is not defending Limbaugh’s comments. The hypocrisy is in the left’s pretend outrage — in fact screaming for him to be removed from the air — while it tolerates, defends and accepts $1 million from Maher — schedules an appearance by Axelrod on Maher’s show, has Michell Obama appear on Letterman. . . Stewart doesn’t address that. Instead he talks about Fox News that “nobody cares about” (yet consumes the majority of his commentary).

    I’d try and change the narrative and run away from this one too. Talk about stepping in it.

  • 342. poolman  |  March 15, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Awesome. I’ll accept the upgrade to weird. I was not defending Rutherford, however we did happen to find common ground. I was proving, using the given example of the Breitbart “news” organization’s video provided herein, that they edit and frame them to fit their narrative. That’s what they do.

    Do you recall the Shirley Sherrod incident?

    Stewart added levity, sprinkled with common sense – his usual tact.

  • 343. El Tigre  |  March 15, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Whatever Poolman. I knew you couldn’t be bothered to really back it up even if it existed.

    Got any suppressed pictures of the tourist on top of the WTC moments before impact?

    There was no common sense in the Daily show clip. Stewart (like the libs in the contraception debate and the Limbaugh dust up) simply changed the the issue/narrative — classic straw man.

    The contraceptive debate gets twisted to an “attack on women” rather than the religious objections to financing them contraceptives under Obamacare. My wife, a catholic, said, “do democrats think women are really “that” stupid. . . we know what’s being argued. . . how insulting.”

    The twisting of the Limbaugh thing is laugh out loud — in a bad way because you just repeat the lame-as response like Obama;s disciples. This is not a defense to what he said. Even Rutherford contradicted himself on what the issue was hew as debating with me about it. The issue is the left’s hypocritical response to unacceptably misogynistic comments about women. Got it? Stewart of course didn’t address that. Instead he worked around the real issue by claiming there were differences when it comes to comedians and Limbaugh is no comedian. No mention of Olbermann’s, Schultz, Maher that has injected himself into the “serious” political commentary realm, Letterman etc. etc. that received no reaction from the left. Yet strangely are chanting for republicans (candidates in particular) to denounce Limbuagh’s comments lest they be considered a party to them and see to it that Limbaugh taken off the air. I understand that there is a petition being circulated by the WH at the tax payers expense to that end.

    Now, the real issue is where was the outrage and reaction when the left unloaded its vile comments? Why didn’t Obama denounce Maher rather than accept his money and schedule an appearance with Axelrod? Why isn’t calling the “brave” folks involved with the allegedly harmful comments when it was the right that was on the receiving end?

    Rutherford identified himself as a real bloodhound when it comes to hypocrisy. Yet all we have is Rutherford’s (and your) dissembling.

  • 344. Rutherford  |  March 15, 2012 at 11:41 am

    My wife, a catholic, said, “do democrats think women are really “that” stupid. . . we know what’s being argued. . . how insulting.”

    Tigre, do me a favor and ask your wife if a woman should be forced to have an ultrasound wand shoved up her vagina before being granted an abortion. I’d just be curious whether she finds that overly invasive.

    Does your wife have any liberal girlfriends? If so, I’m a bit surprised by her reaction. Lots of women are concerned about the current conservative backlash against stuff that we thought was settled decades ago.

  • 345. poolman  |  March 15, 2012 at 11:43 am

    I guess you missed what I wrote in 119. Regardless. I haven’t signed any petitions to get Rush off the air. Both parties want to censor the other and blame them for a double standard. Sorry. I see fault on both sides, and I’m not defending poor character in either.

    You really need to lay off the diet coke and democrapping for a bit, you don’t look so good and it is apparently affecting comprehension.

  • 346. Rutherford  |  March 15, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Tigre, while the Jon Stewart video wasn’t one of his best, the point is very simple.

    Everyone talks smack and their political allies on the right and the left don’t call them to task for it.

    Not a very difficult concept to embrace.

  • 347. muffymcd  |  March 15, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    “My wife, a catholic, said, ‘do democrats think women are really “that” stupid. . . we know what’s being argued. . . how insulting.’ ” -Tigre

    Similarly, I caught a snippet of Hillary yesterday (might have been the day before) talking about the “war on women.” I’m on pins and needles with the real wars happening now and brewing big time overseas and thought, “Secretary of State, worried about the war on women. Here.” *shakes head* It may have been an old tape of her, I don’t know, but it was dripping with snark and for me it called into question her priorities. Yeah yeah, I’m sure she can do more than one thing at a time, just like the President.

    “I don’t like square pink frowny-face guy. Purple octagon dude wearing glasses was my alter ego!”

    Haha. Does mine make me look fat? :)

    Sorry, Rutherford. I can’t be bothered to watch “Game Change,” and I saw some recent comments here so I stuck with this thread.

    As to your #344 (I hope you don’t mind) – all my girlfriends are liberal. They’re all up in arms and yet I still think the way Tigre’s wife does.

    It does dispirit me that we are worlds apart and fighting over “settled stuff” – none of which strikes me as a high priority in the first place. Not right now. I no more like when conservative representatives take up social issues as a priority than I do liberals when fiscally we are sinking. Rapidly. I’ve been thinking that the best thing might be to totally tune out what liberals are saying about conservatives and vice versa.

    I also think this “stuff” is being deliberately stirred up purely for political gain. We never run short on bait.

  • 348. El Tigre  |  March 15, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Oh. That was Stewart’s point?

    Gimme a break.

  • 349. El Tigre  |  March 15, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    “I see fault on both sides, and I’m not defending poor character in either.”

    So do I that’s my point you dolt! I am not defending Limbaugh.

  • 350. El Tigre  |  March 15, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    “Tigre, do me a favor and ask your wife if a woman should be forced to have an ultrasound wand shoved up her vagina before being granted an abortion”

    My wife is anti-abortion. But I’ll ask her anyway, and use your colorful language too, Mr. Morally outraged.

    Believe it or not, just because she’s a woman doesn’t give you license to be a patronizing asshole even though apparently think it does. Don’t be surprised if she tells you to fuck off. She’s not dumb.

    So, what does this have to do with contraceptive debate declared a republican “war on women?” Oh, I see. You’re changing the narrative again. . .

  • 351. Rutherford  |  March 15, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Muffy, I can’t really argue with your comment. One of the most ridiculous things about this whole contraceptive debate is that it is small potatoes compared to the big stuff going on right now.

    Maybe the big issues are so overwhelming that everyone is reaching for a diversion just to avoid them?

  • 352. Rutherford  |  March 15, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Tigre, I assume by colorful you were referring to “shoved” since vagina is the least colorful word I could have used.

    If your wife is a more logical debater than are you, I seriously doubt she’ll tell me to f*ck off. What is patronizing about asking her whether the Virginia legislature came way too close to going way too far in their attempt to discourage abortion?

    As for what it has to do with the contraceptive debate … no I’m not changing the narrative. All of these things fall under an over-arching retro desire on the part of conservatives to re-litigate the right of a woman to control her own body.

  • 353. Rutherford  |  March 15, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    P.S. to Tigre … if you had me over for dinner, I seriously doubt I would have asked your wife that question. There’s a time and a place for everything. ;-)

  • 354. Rutherford  |  March 15, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Oh Muffy …. you don’t have to have any interest in Game Change to comment on that thread. You should know by now the threads always become a free-for-all. :-)

  • 355. El Tigre  |  March 15, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    “What is patronizing about asking her whether the Virginia legislature came way too close to going way too far in their attempt to discourage abortion?”

    She knows what the issue is, and what’s being said about the contraceptive debate. She doesn’t need you pretend outrage over a different issue.

    Mrs. Tigre is far more logical than me, and since you have no logic at all, I think she’d tell you to fuck off to be sure the point was made.

    So if you’ll allow me to ask her about the shoving apparatus up her vagina as a “war on women” I will. but it still doesn’t address the lame banner that MSNBC has given you.

  • 356. El Tigre  |  March 15, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    “P.S. to Tigre … if you had me over for dinner, I seriously doubt I would have asked your wife that question. There’s a time and a place for everything.”

    Thanks for the nightmarish double entendre.

  • 357. El Tigre  |  March 15, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    “All of these things fall under an over-arching retro desire on the part of conservatives to re-litigate the right of a woman to control her own body.”

    How else?

  • 358. Rutherford  |  March 15, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Thanks for the nightmarish double entendre.

    LOL With Tex gone, now you’re playing Hannibal Lecter?

    Let’s just say this. If I were a chicken and Col Sanders killed me for food, he’d be one sick mofo. I’m skin and bones. Not a bit of meat on me. :-)

  • 359. El Tigre  |  March 15, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Let’s take that a triple entendre. I was thinking of the occasion other than dinner you’d be having this discussion with my wife. :lol:

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