Who the Hell is Saul Alinsky (and Rachel Maddow Jumps the Shark)

February 1, 2012 at 2:32 pm 85 comments

Who the Hell is Saul Alinsky?

Last week, I had two choices for blog topics in my head. One was a pros and cons of Barack Obama and the other was asking who the hell is Saul Alinsky. I chose the former. Then the following Friday night, not one but two left-leaning TV personalities asked essentially “who the hell is Saul Alinsky?” I chuckled to my wife that something must be in the air. What’s putting this Keyser Söze of politics into everyone’s head are the ramblings of GOP presidential contender Newt Gingrich who drops Alinsky’s name with the frequency of a thirteen year old girl citing Justin Bieber. According to Gingrich, President Barack Obama is a slave to “Saul Alinsky” and we all must be afraid, be very afraid of “Saul Alinsky liberalism”. These warnings are usually greeted with whoops and hollers from Gingrich’s adoring fans, an ignorant lot who have no better idea of who Saul Alinsky is than I did, but will clap for anything anti-Obama.

So who is this Saul Alinsky? Bill Maher’s summary biography states that Alinsky liked black people, and hence is an enemy of current day Republicans. Of course that greatly oversimplifies things. Alinsky identified with the disenfranchised of all races. He essentially invented community organizing. Of course, Obama having been a community organizer must have inherited all of Saul’s evil traits. To make matters worse, about a year before he died, Alinsky wrote a book called Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals. Alinsky believed that you had to do (or threaten to do) outrageous things to get the attention of the establishment. According to the Wiki article on him, he planned to stage at various times in his career, a fart-in and a piss-in. In the former, a mass of baked bean-filled protesters would disperse themselves among a concert audience and unleash a torrent of offensive odor and sound. In the latter, well dressed black men would occupy public urinals and simply refuse to leave until demands were met. Just the mere threat of these shenanigans got the attention of the powerful.

What I don’t get from the little I’ve read about Alinsky is any sense of violence. The dude saw what he thought were disadvantaged people and rejoiced in pissing off their perceived oppressors. He was clearly an enemy of the status quo when the status quo put its heavy foot on the throat of a powerless minority. This, by the way, extended to Richard Nixon’s “silent majority”. He was just as concerned about disenfranchised whites and their vulnerability to wrong-headed leaders who would offer them the politics of hate disguised as hope.

In the context of Newt Gingrich, as Bill Maher ably points out, Alinsky is just another boogeyman designed to make you fear, distrust or outright hate Barack Obama. Nothing more, nothing less.

Rachel Maddow Jumps the Shark

Let me state two things up front. First, I like Rachel Maddow. Second I do believe in dog whistles. With that out of the way, my friend Ms. Maddow took a leap too far last night in her coverage of the Florida primary. During Newt Gingrich’s “concession speech” (Newt never actually concedes) in Florida last night, he suggested that Barack Obama stop singing, stop being the “entertainer-in-chief” and actually do his job. Out of any context, the comment would seem at least nonsensical and at worst some veiled reference to the stereotypical  “singing dancing black man” so adored (and simultaneously ridiculed)  in our pop culture. But, as always, context is everything.

A couple of weeks ago during a fund-raiser, President Obama sang the first line of Al Green’s “Let’s Stay Together”. I got a major kick out of it. I thought it greatly humanized him particularly when he so often comes across as remote. But let’s be honest here. When you let your guard down and show a frivolous side to America, your opponents will exploit it. Just go back to 1968 and Richard Nixon’s brief appearance on “Rowan and Martin’s Laugh-in” where he said “sock it to me?” It was funny. But Nixon haters certainly like to use it in their “laugh at Nixon reel.”  The fact of the matter is Obama DID sing. So for Gingrich to tell him to stop singing and do his job was at worst evidence of Newt having no sense of humor or appreciation for a human moment. It was NOT some example of racism. It did not conjure up images of the minstrel show (as Maddow put it) in any but the most racially paranoid minds.

Former Gingrich spokesperson and current leader of the “not coordinated with Gingrich” Super PAC, Rick Tyler, bless his soul, did battle with Maddow and Al Sharpton last night. To my surprise, Tyler who once wrote the immortal words “But out of the billowing smoke and dust of tweets and trivia emerged Gingrich”, ably defended his candidate and made Maddow and Sharpton look pretty pathetic.

You know something? As a black man, every now and then I get a little tired of white folks defending black folks … because sometimes they just don’t know when to quit while they’re ahead.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  • 1. El Tigre  |  February 1, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Jumped the shark? No different than any other night on MSNBC.

    Like those cross hair on Palin’s posters.

  • 2. El Tigre  |  February 1, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    R, have you seen the Sharpton ad for MSNBC comparing republican tax policies with segregation and suffrage?

    Substituting outrage for logic is what your window on the world is all about.

    Look at a Crazy Larry scream about the GI bill.

    Who needs “dog whistles” when the left uses bullhorns to the delight of its ignorant supporters?.

  • 3. El Tigre  |  February 1, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    BTW, I think the Alinsky comparison has to do with his article (the “rules” — demonizing, demagoguing, exaggerating etc.) and not the romantic view of Alinsky you seem to have adopted without having heard of him before last week.

    And the comparison makes sense since Hillary and Obama held him out as a guiding force in the 2008 campaigns to appeal to the unions.

    RULE 1: Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do.

    RULE 2: Never go outside the experience of your people… the result is confusion, fear, and retreat… [and] the collapse of communication.

    RULE 3: Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

    RULE 4: Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity

    RULE 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counter attack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

    RULE 6: A good tactic is one that your people enjoy. If your people aren’t having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.

    RULE 7: A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become ritualistic as people turn to other issues

    RULE 8: Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose*.

    RULE 9: The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.

    RULE 10: The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.

    RULE 11: If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside. This is based on the principle that every positive has its negative*.

    RULE 12: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, “Okay, what would you do?”

    RULE 13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame. The real action is in the enemy’s reaction. The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.

    See any of these in say. . . the MSNBC lineup?

  • 4. Rutherford  |  February 1, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    I love all those rules. Thanks for posting, Tigre!

    As for Sharpton, while hardly poetic, he’s making the point that an appreciation for fairness changes over time. Segregation, suffrage and economic tyranny all fall into this category.

    Who needs “dog whistles” when the left uses bullhorns to the delight of its ignorant supporters?.

    You’ve accidentally provided the big difference between the left and right. The left uses the bullhorn, and exhibits no talent at subtlety because they are not ashamed of their beliefs. They are proud of them and are willing to subject them to scrutiny. They are willing to identify whom they believe to be evil and use no subterfuge in getting that point across.

    The right, on the other hand, sees before it a history of malignant thought process that sits in little residual wells inside its followers. All the right needs to do to tap this well is to say “food stamps” and their followers fall right in line. It’s like the Manchurian Candidate:

    “Raymond, how about passing the time with a little game of solitaire?”

  • 5. El Tigre  |  February 1, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Hahahahahaa! R, have you started drinking already? That’s rich! :lol: :lol:

    The left likes playing victim and the dog whistle theory helps them play the game without having to support the accusations they make to make out their stereotype of the right.

    (see rules for radicals above)

    And Sharpton point is the same one he’s made since Tawana Brawley. I love how you try to make something so obviously bullshit legitimate. I’m surprised you found fault with the Chaz Maddow’s outrage over the overt racism exhibited by Newt’s minstrel show.

    Food stamps? I guess you don’t recall Pelosi and the fact that the unprecedented rise in those receiving food stamps has been held out as basis for the “tax the rich” Obama campaign.

    Are getting the Alinsky connection?

    Fuck it. Go back to your cocktail. :lol:

  • 6. Rutherford  |  February 1, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    The problem Tigre is it’s easier for you to deny the existence of dog whistles than to discern when it’s being blown and when it isn’t.

    Newt could stomp the food stamp dog whistle to smithereens if he would just say one thing: “There are more white people on food stamps than black ones. There is nothing racial in my calling Obama the food stamp President.”

    But he NEVER goes there. For reasons that defy understanding, he doesn’t want to defuse this bomb. Perhaps it’s because he doesn’t want to lose the support of those who think he IS talking about black people only?

    I don’t like John McCain much further than I can throw him but I will always give him credit for telling that elderly nutjob at his rally four years ago that Obama wasn’t an “Arab”. Shame Rick Santorum couldn’t meet the same test when his time came.

  • 7. El Tigre  |  February 1, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    “The problem Tigre is it’s easier for you to deny the existence of dog whistles than to discern when it’s being blown and when it isn’t.”

    Says the guy that posted an accusation of dog whistles then denounced them. :lol:

    The rest of what you say is a departure.

    There were people that thought they’d be getting all their bills paid for with Obama bucks after the last election. Now where did they get that idea? Dog whistles?

    The real problem is that you can manufacture the accusation of dog whistles at will, then claim that the denial doesn’t count.See video posted above.

    Now what gives the hearing range that a conservative like myself doesn’t have?

    (that’s a trick question. when you’re looking for those boogeyman to validate your position you will surely find them. so go back to calling me racist for using the term “black community” — another dog whistle, :lol:)

    You guys are so desperate to avoid having to address your own failed policies. What’s left. AH YES! Allegations of racism. Yawn.

  • 8. dead rabbit  |  February 1, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    Man…..anyone following the total bullshit coming out of Europe?

    I understand that it’s human nature for a nervous population to stampede. I get that rumors of a “deal” being made can make the market blow pre-ejaculate.

    Here is what I don’t get. I’m not claiming to be the only one wondering this, so this aint original. However, it aint rocket science, either.

    A bunch of secret groups (U.S. banks?) hold CDS on sovereign debt.

    Nations like Greece can’t make their payments and are dead broke. They are defaulting.

    This means the people who sell the CDS need to pony up.

    But here lies the problem. Those who sell CDS don’t have to play by the rules. This was established in 2008. They operate under a different form of capitalism then I do.

    Here is what Europe and the Fed is trying to pull off:

    Apparently, they are behaving as if the notion of “default” was never defined in the contract. Their plan is to let Greece off the hook by 50% (they are still haggling over this) and that this won’t trigger a “default” or CDS pay offs. The fact that they are haggling over this means that they are making the rules/law up as they go. If it was defined at, say, 50% the shit would be over with. But of course it wasn’t defined at 50%. A default is a default!

    Now, would you believe the old dead rabbit came up with this EXACT plan two years ago?

    When my family income was cut by about 50% (with the possibility of 100%) and my collateral (my house) lost 50% of its value over night, I called up Fannie and offered (tongue and cheek) the same exact plan. (I was suspicious from the beginning that those who held my note had bet against me..turns out I was right*****.)

    Lets redraw the contract and let my payments be 50% less!

    We all had a good chuckle, as that would be the very definition of a DEFAULT!!!!!!!!!!

    Now, you might say, Rabbit, you are just hatin’. It’s none of your business how two parties do business.

    Nay, nay, nay.

    The reason they can even dream of perverting capitalism so much is they are stealing from the future to make sure all parties involved don’t take a meaningful hair cut. After all, can you imagine the run on gold or the banks or the dollar? Can you imagine if fiat based economic zones were made up of countries with no credit (like the Rabbit)?

    That’s right. The Fed is taking your child’s future, by way of smoking mirrors, and raining cash/debt on the entire Euro zone. And outright loan would be illegal. So, I don’t understand exactly how. Discount window over night loans?, blah blah blah. I will learn.

    Capitalism is dead, folks. Imagine if Vegas was run this way. Bet on the Giants. Bet on the Patriots. It don’t matter. If you lose, your unborn grandchildren pay. If you win, your unborn grandchildren pay. Disgusting.

    Editor’s note*****Talk about a win win. Tax payer takes the hit on the Fannie bonds and note holder gets paid again on the bet against the Dead Beat Rabbit! Plus, they can get some beer money by negotiating a deficiency payment with me!!!!!!!! Natty Light in my case….)

  • 9. poolman  |  February 1, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    I didn’t watch the Maddow/Sharpton bit. I choose not to. I have a hard time listening to Sharpton. A little is too much. He’s easier to read. Maddow has her moments, but I am too impatient to follow the entire journey she takes often to get there.

    I guess their routines have gotten old.

    The Alinksy bit was good. That was always Tex’s accusation. Thanks for posting the rules, Tigre. I’ll try to follow them. :grin:

  • 10. poolman  |  February 1, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    Rabbit, you’re sounding like a fucking conspiracy theorist. These are smart people. They wouldn’t do anything so evil.

  • 11. Rutherford  |  February 1, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Says the guy that posted an accusation of dog whistles then denounced them. :lol:

    It’s called ability to discern. And it’s all about perception. My OPINION is that the “stop singing” comment had no racial overtones given the context in which it was made. The same cannot be said for “food stamp President”.

  • 12. Rutherford  |  February 1, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    BTW, a few ignorant black people shout that Obama will pay their bills and the right wing media has a field day.Puhleeze.

  • 13. poolman  |  February 1, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    Newt is VERY talented at using the language and takes tremendous pleasure in loading it for specific purpose. It is probably his greatest talent.

  • 14. Rutherford  |  February 1, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Rabbit, it will take a while for me to absorb that rant but one thing I don’t understand is why credit default swaps still exist in the first place. After the 2008 crash, why weren’t those f*ckers made illegal?

  • 15. Rutherford  |  February 1, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    You nailed it Poolman.

  • 16. dead rabbit  |  February 1, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    After the 2008 crash, why weren’t those f*ckers made illegal?

    Why should they be? It makes perfect sense to hedge your risk.

    Its nothing more then insurance.

    The problem isn’t in their existence.

    I will give you one thing. There should be full disclosure of who owns what.

  • 17. Raji  |  February 1, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Rutherford,
    I am posting this before reading any of the comments and I think this is one of your best posts especially your closing statement.

    “You know something? As a black man, every now and then I get a little tired of white folks defending black folks … because sometimes they just don’t know when to quit while they’re ahead.”

    I also liked this statement: “the ramblings of GOP presidential contender Newt Gingrich who drops Alinsky’s name with the frequency of a thirteen year old girl citing Justin Bieber” Glad you are up on the latest “eye candy” and if not you will be soon.

    You left out the best part of the Wiki article:

    ALINSKY: … if there is an afterlife, and I have anything to say about it, I will unreservedly choose to go to hell.
    PLAYBOY: Why?
    ALINSKY: Hell would be heaven for me. All my life I’ve been with the have-nots. Over here, if you’re a have-not, you’re short of dough. If you’re a have-not in hell, you’re short of virtue. Once I get into hell, I’ll start organizing the have-nots over there.
    PLAYBOY: Why them?
    ALINSKY: They’re my kind of people.

  • 18. huckingfypocrites  |  February 2, 2012 at 1:15 am

    You might find this to be an interesting perspective regarding Alinsky tactics, Rutherford.

  • 19. Rutherford  |  February 2, 2012 at 1:39 am

    Raji, I also enjoyed that exchange between Alinsky and Playboy. The wiki article also notes that he never actually joined any of the groups he organized. Definitely a dude with an interesting perspective.

  • 20. Rutherford  |  February 2, 2012 at 1:42 am

    Huck, it is interesting to note (at least according to the wiki article) that Freedom Works (led by Dick Armey) made sure all Tea Party leaders had “Rules for Radicals” in their arsenal.

  • 21. PFesser  |  February 2, 2012 at 7:15 am

    R – I am still fighting with Chrome and it (I) sent this under an incomplete name again. Just dump the other copy. Thanks

    Rutherford opined:

    “As a black man, every now and then I get a little tired of white folks defending black folks … because sometimes they just don’t know when to quit while they’re ahead.”

    You should be glad you’re here then, Rutherford. You won’t have to listen to any any white folks defending black folks, although you might find yourself in the uncomfortable position of hearing them say, “Get over yourself, stop whining, put on (and pull up) your big-boy pants, turn your hat around, learn English and join the rest of the country. We’re tired of hearing it.” I’ll guaran-damn-tee that’s how most of the rest of the white folks – and the latinos – and the orientals – all of whom are working their asses off to try to get ahead — and REALLY ARE tired of the whining and excuses – feel.

    Can I get an amen…

  • 22. James  |  February 2, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Rules For Radicals parallels Sun Tzu’s “The Art of war.” Maybe Alinisky read it too. Both work on blogs under the right circumstances.

    I agree with Ragi about “… sometimes they don’t know when to quit.”

    We know blacks were horribly treated and today politicians often use them to support agendas without caring much about them as people.

    They weren’t the only ones, of course. The Sami, (Laplanders) were kidnapped and enslaved in New Sweden and later in the British colonies. A movement began to get Fins deported from the United States under the Asian Exclusion Act around 1906.

    My aunt’s mostly blond blue-eyed family solved the problem by declaring themselves Swedes.

    Amen, Pfessor. One thing. Some of my family is Asian, and they don’t like being called orientals.

  • 23. Rutherford  |  February 2, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    James, you went into moderation on that last one for mistyping your domain name.

  • 24. Rutherford  |  February 2, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    So, two things. Archie Bunker calls Asians “Orientals” so yes James on that I can give you an amen. Get with the current nomenclature PF. Blacks prefer not to be called “coloreds”. It’s the same thing.

    As for the meat of Pfesser’s comment … jeesh … this is why I actually dislike criticizing liberals for their “sympathy” because it then gives the green light to moderates and conservatives to go bonkers in the other direction.

    The day any one of you is born into the environment that afflicts many blacks in this country you can talk about pulling yourself up from your bootstraps.

    For some reason, folks think that liberal’s misguided attempts to “help” the black community gives them (non-liberals) license to be callous and throw all empathy out the window.

    The liberal “solution” to poverty has failed. Now conservatives, stop blaming the poor, and come up with some ideas to make matters better.

  • 25. Rutherford  |  February 2, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    There are times when I think Newt comes sooooooooo close to the right answer on this stuff, particularly poverty. But he is such a flawed personality in so many ways that it just isn’t gonna fly.

    Donald Trump is going to endorse Newt today. I assume that means Donald is not running as a third party candidate. Hosting Celebrity Apprentice is his idea of patriotism. What a dipsh*t.

  • 26. poolman  |  February 2, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Newt and the Donald are really made for each other. They both have such enormous egos, though, it’s hard to imagine that both of them could inhabit any real space together with those massive heads they have.

    Is the Donald’s endorsement a positive thing for Newt?

    Does that align Newt with the birthers?

    I still don’t get how anyone can take Newt seriously. We never learn, do we? I’m still searching for a safe seat on this train wreck…

  • 27. El Tigre  |  February 2, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    “The day any one of you is born into the environment that afflicts many blacks in this country you can talk about pulling yourself up from your bootstraps.”

    What environment would that be? Food Stamps or unearned academic and professional positions? :lol:

    So I guess we won’t talk about it. Makes sense. And you shut up about “the rich?”

  • 28. James  |  February 2, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    Sorry about that. We had computer trouble and everything saved disappeared.

    I hung around with five or six blacks on one base because we liked each other.

    They educated me better than a college course.

    I agree with Pfessor that some people, including blacks and whites work their victim status for personal advantage. I know people like that. They don’t do for themselves what they could.

    Others pull themselves up. For example, Herman Cain is popular around here because of his work with Godfather’s Pizza and his civic work.

    I also agree the line between criticism of ner’do wells and callousness is easy to cross. To say as the British labor unionists said “I’m all right Jack” isn’t very hard.

  • 29. James  |  February 2, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    I believe the Great Society Welfare state has done a lot of damage by creating dependency and splitting families. The concept of helping the poor was good, but it was not implemented well. The War on Poverty failed.

  • 30. Rutherford  |  February 2, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Does that align Newt with the birthers?

    Mmmmmm I hadn’t thought of that. Could be problematic!

  • 31. El Tigre  |  February 2, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    “The concept of helping the poor was good, but it was not implemented well. The War on Poverty failed.”

    Just be careful not to explain why or how. You’ll be accused of “crossing the line.”

    (psssst. . . . unless you’re black).

  • 32. Rutherford  |  February 2, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    some people, including blacks and whites work their victim status for personal advantage.

    Absolutely. To say otherwise would be to put one’s head in the sand. So long as we don’t make underachievement a uniquely black thing, I have no problem with the argument.

  • 33. Rutherford  |  February 2, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    So I guess we won’t talk about it. Makes sense. And you shut up about “the rich?”

    Talking about it and being a callous ass are two entirely different things.

    Just be careful not to explain why or how. You’ll be accused of “crossing the line.”

    Pure BS. You’ll be accused of crossing the line when you take the easy way out and say those lazy blacks just don’t do enough for themselves. I’m all for a responsible discussion of policy that makes things better for everyone, black white and polka dot. Particularly polka dot … a much ignored minority. Just ask Michael Jackson!

  • 34. poolman  |  February 2, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Well, call me a conspiracy nut, but some of this crazy stuff is getting admitted by officials and actually documented.

    It takes lifetimes for us to catch up. :neutral:

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/01/numbing-out-of-america-public-apathy-explained/

  • 35. thorsaurus  |  February 2, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Dole, she told MSNBC, sponsored the 1977 bill to change food stamps from something one could purchase to something one was given by the government. And, in 1996, Gingrich championed welfare reform and the creation of TANF. TANF, or “Temporary Assistance to Needy Families,” imposed a five-year limit on cash benefits for families, put forth tighter limits on who could obtain food stamps (most immigrant, for example, became ineligible for the program), and established that welfare recipients had to obtain employment within two years. Because TANF cut cash benefits, people needing the same amount of food ended up using a larger number of food stamps for their groceries.

    So, “in a sense,” she said, “he’s the Food Stamp Speaker of the House.”

    I know ET a stretch, MSNBC source blah, blah, blah. But for the rest of you,

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-guest-is-newt-gingrich-the-food-stamp-speaker/

    Like I said before, you can have a job and still get food stamps.

    http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2011/01/rep_robert_hagan_slams_wal-mar.html

  • 36. thorsaurus  |  February 2, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    The SA stuff looks like tactics both sides use. Rule 9 is practically the Bush administration mission statement.

  • 37. James  |  February 2, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    El Tigre, I’m as white as Connan O’Brien. If I cross a line, I will duck.

    Rutherford, under achievement is definitely not a black thing, in my opinion. It is a cultural thing. Some of my white neighbors are under achievers.

    Thomas Sewell wrote that the white trash culture and its black equivalent come from a section of England. I don’t know if he is right or not. It doesn’t explain Indians who live across the Missouri River and exhibit similar traits.

    Native Americans do have a tough row to how, and it is why I am glad to see Indian Casinos. We stole from them through conquest. Now, they steal some of it back..

  • 38. James  |  February 2, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Two sisters-in law and their families were on relief during the early eighties. They served commodity cheese and other government food at family picnics. That was some of the best cheese I ever ate.

  • 39. James  |  February 2, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    thor, if you mean number nine applies to the Bush administration’s attitude toward Iraq, I agree with you.

  • 40. El Tigre  |  February 2, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    “Pure BS. You’ll be accused of crossing the line when you take the easy way out and say those lazy blacks just don’t do enough for themselves”

    Pure B.S. When doing more for oneself is the solution?

    I’ve been accused crossing the line for using the term “black community.” Remember that dog whistle?

    Callous ass to the spokesperson for “your ilk” is Newt daring to mention Obama’s singing.

    For you, it changes depending on whether you want to shut down a conversation. Like “you’re not allowed to comment unless you have the same experience as. . . ”

    You’ll be shocked to know that not all blacks agree with you R. And they’re not being callous asses.

    Now let’s talk about James’ predecessors trying to pass as Swedes. As a Swede I am offended, and unless you have shared the same experience you better shut the fuck up.

  • 41. PFesser  |  February 2, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Rutherford –

    Perhaps that was a little harsh, but I believe that’s what’s called for. I’m as socially liberal as you are, but I have learned from long experience that you level the playing field the best you can and then it’s up to the individual. You can’t stand around petting and pitying and making excuses for folks’ failures; it’s a waste of time and destroys their backbone. At some point you have to just shut your trap and get in the game. It’s that time for black folks; all the old excuses just don’t hold water anymore and the fact is, nobody cares. Nobody that matters anyway. If you stick your chin out, show up for work, keep your kids out of trouble you will be accepted. But as long as people act like goobers, people are going to treat them that way. All the excuses are not productive. My advice is stop wasting your time, hump and get it. The rest of the world will appreciate it.

    By the way, I left out the Indians when I mentioned the orientals, hispanics, etc.. They are working harder than anybody I know. Case in point: a local convenience store; I talked to the clerk-owner and she is there six days a week, sixteen hours per day. A lot of people could do worse than to emulate her. I have been here now twenty-seven days straight without a day off. Don’t tell me any sad tales.

  • 42. PFesser  |  February 2, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    R – as for “coloreds” or “orientals” – I couldn’t care less. I am not in the least interested in salving anyone’s delicate sensibilities. They need to worry a little less about their wounded pride and a little more in taking care of their responsibilities.

  • 43. dead rabbit  |  February 2, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Well boys, I’ve been bringing my hustling A game as of late.

    I wish I could tell you fellers a few funny ones as of late, but I can’t.

    All I can say is I will be spending Easter in Jerusalem. Pretty cool.

  • 44. dead rabbit  |  February 2, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    At some point you have to just shut your trap and get in the game

    Amen

  • 45. James  |  February 2, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    An Omaha meteorologist told me he and his wife visited their home country of Sweden and then Finland last summer. The Fins still hate the Swedes, he said.

    My wife’s grandmother moved from Sweden to Minneapolis at the age of 16. You’re offended because my people pretended to be your folks El Tigre? What about me? My conflict is horrible because my ancestors come from both camps. No one has felt such dissinance.

    Most of us can imagine how it was for others. So, I agree with El Tigre

    Pfessor, if you call my Korean -in laws orientals, they will beat you to a pulp. Then, the men will take their turn.

    Congratulations, dead rabbit. That is cool.

    Pfessor, you probably remember when my brother-in law nearly died in a pick up accident. He had been working again, but now he is in the hospital schedualed for surgery tomorrow. He has a massive infection.

  • 46. El Tigre  |  February 2, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    Eh, the Fins need to lighten up. :lol: They really are a depressed people. They drink too much (vodka), tango and argue.

    Truth is, I grew up in an Irish neighborhood in Boston. Got that? A Swede in an Irish neighborhood. . . in Boston. Alfie and R know what that means — I had to learn how to fight.

    Oriental? Whatever happened to the good ol’ fashioned “China-man?”

  • 47. Rutherford  |  February 2, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Sorry about your bro-in-law James.

    Rabbit you really going to Jerusalem? Watch your back my brother. You’ll find out just how crazy that religious based conflict is when you get your ass blown to bits. Have a good time but come back safe.

  • 48. Rutherford  |  February 2, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    Yeah get in the game while some security guard follows you around the store because you MUST be a shoplifter. Never happened to me cos I’m light skinned. It has happened to others. It will never happen to Tigre or James or Rabbit.

    Show me that level playing field first and then we can talk about “getting in the game”.

  • 49. dead rabbit  |  February 3, 2012 at 1:25 am

    It will never happen to Tigre or James or Rabbit.

    It has happened to me many times.

  • 50. huckingfypocrites  |  February 3, 2012 at 1:29 am

    “All I can say is I will be spending Easter in Jerusalem. Pretty cool.”

    Nice!

  • 51. Rutherford  |  February 3, 2012 at 2:56 am

    Whatever happened to the good ol’ fashioned “China-man?”

    LOL … Tigre, you’re truly priceless!

  • 52. Rutherford  |  February 3, 2012 at 2:58 am

    It has happened to me many times.

    Rabbit, you’ve been tailed by store security cos they thought you were going to shoplift … many times?

    Just how skeevy do you look when you go shopping? ;-)

  • 53. Rutherford  |  February 3, 2012 at 3:12 am

    While we’re on the subject of race, there is a new show on Comedy Central that is already an instant classic. It’s called Key and Peele and stars two “bi-racial” guys who do skits about “black culture” and the tension between having one foot in white society and another in black. Bottom line it’s some funny stuff.

    The short linked skit is about how two random black guys react when they encounter each other on a street corner.

    http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=402281&title=sneak-peek—phone-call

    They’ve got another running sketch in which Obama has his “anger translator”. I watched episode 1 tonight and it already has a TiVo season pass!!!

  • 54. PFesser  |  February 3, 2012 at 7:59 am

    “Yeah get in the game while some security guard follows you around the store because you MUST be a shoplifter. Never happened to me cos I’m light skinned. It has happened to others. It will never happen to Tigre or James or Rabbit.
    Show me that level playing field first and then we can talk about “getting in the game”.”

    Yep, sure does happen. Get over it. You have bigger fish to fry.

    I know you folks get tired of my stories, but indulge me one more time if you will. I grew up in the WV coalfields and, as usual, a little history can be instructive. In the early ’00s there was a massive influx of foreigners there, to work in the mines. It was brutal, dangerous work. Lots of Russians, Poles, Czechs, Italians. The locals called them “Hunkies.” They were treated like dirt. This was before PC was even a twinkle in some social engineer’s eye, so their options were pretty limited in that arena. No matter; they were focused on making enough of a living to keep body and soul together, so their wounded egos were not the top priority anyway…

    Know what they did? They lived together in enclaves at first. They worked their asses off. Their kids were disciplined and polite and always did well in school. They were never in trouble, because the parents knew that the locals resented their being there and were looking for excuses to hang some of them. Follow you around the store? Christ, how trivial…

    Fast forward. The Italians were for the most part stonecutters; people to this day marvel at some of the beautiful stone buildings and rock walls still standing after a hundred years. My lawyer is a first generation American-Italian. Local businesses have Czech and Polish names. Nobody thinks a thing about their daughter marrying a Salgado or Prsbycsyz. My oldest brother married a beautiful half-Spaniard, half-Italian, and worshipped not only her, but her parents, as well. Even MY father admired these people, and getting a compliment out of him was like trying to poke hot butter up a wildcat’s ass with an ice pick.

    Know why that happened, Rutherford? I can tell you why, because I was THERE. These people did not complain. They sucked it up, took shit where it didn’t matter, fist-fought where it did. They didn’t have Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson-type racial ambulance-chasers to do their work for them; they did it themselves by keeping their noses clean, working hard, whipping their kids’ asses and PROVING themselves. Their kids did not have store owners following them around because store owners had not come, through experience, to expect kids that looked like that to shoplift – or rob them at gunpoint. Can proprietors in black neighborhoods say the same thing? They follow the black kids around, Rutherford, because experience has taught them that it is smart to do so. They don’t follow “oriental” kids around. Why do you think that is?

    You don’t see what is before your very eyes – flashing bright red – Rutherford. Every ethnic group that has come to this country has been poorly treated, but has done what is necessary to become integrated into the American fabric – every group, that is, except for one – and they have been here the longest.

    Tell me, Rutherford, how long is it going to be before that group gets its shit together and realized that it is ITS responsibility to adapt – not the world’s to adapt to them?

  • 55. James  |  February 3, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Thanks for the good thoughts about my brother-in law. I like Pfessors and other’s stories.

    I know how it feels to be followed through a store. My wife couldn’t go because she had to work so the children and I took a vacation to Lake Superior. Instead, our car broke down and the repair shop didn’t know why. We were stranded at Mall of America for over three days.

    We had fun exploring the entire mall each day after we left the motel. A man took an interest in us at Nordstroms and followed us around the store. At first, he was less obvious but he finally asked if he could help us. A man and two rambunctious teenagers must have looked suspicious to him.

    I earned a Ma plus nine hours toward a PHD during four semesters in an experimental accelerated program at the University of Iowa. At my first department orientation party, grad students compared their financial aid. I said I had what was left of the GI Bill. The mood became chilly, and a man said “You don’t belong here you fascist. We’ll get rid of you.”

    A job counselor told a Navy friend he ought to lie about his military service and say he had been on the road for four years. I checked and one told me the same thing. He suggested if I refused to lie like that, I might be better served selling college text books. I dropped out to farm. Most of my veteran friends transferred to law school.

    Years later, my wife and i were in an office supply store. Signs for sale advertised companies observation of a civil rights law. Protected groups included Vietnam Era veterans. At the University of Michigan during the beginning of the political correctness era, the administration instituted a restriction of speech program minorities. One of the favored groups was Vietnam Era veterans.

    Our high school principal who was raised near my home told us students how during WW1 mobs of neighbors vandalized German-American’s homes and refused to socialize with them.

    Al Capone”s brother was a sherrif about ten miles from our home. According to him, Al turned to crime because discrimination against Italians angered him. One reason Joe Kennedy groomed his eldest sons for the presidency was to stick it too the people who had discriminated against the Irish.

  • 56. James  |  February 3, 2012 at 10:18 am

    We all face discrimination and we discriminate because we are humans.

    Our son and a Korean woman married in 2004. They eloped because her family disapproved of whites and Koreans marrying. It was fine if they lived together, but marriage was wrong. Now, they accept him and they get along fine, but the marriage remained a secret for over three years. Our son’s learning a little Korean helped.

    Our high school principal told us how during WW1, neighbors vandalized German’s homes and refused to socialize with them even though they had known each other for years.

    Al Capone’s brother was a sherrif about ten miles from our home. He said Al turned to crime because of discrimination against Italians. One reason Joe Kennedy groomed his two eldest sons for the White House was to stick it to the upper crust who barely tolerated them because they were Irish. One term of the time was “shanty Irish.”

    Someone posted a song by Sami singer Sophia Jannok. Comments on other sites mocked her slanted eyes visible at certain angles. One wrote he felt uncomfortable looking at blonds with odd faces. Another called her a “mongolianized blond mongrel.” Someone on another blog called Fins “blond Asian snow monkeys.”

    My sister-in law married into a northwest Iowa Dutch enclave. Our brother-in law’s parents offered him a farm if he canceled the wedding because he should be marrying a nice Dutch girl instead of a French-German-Swede.

    Yes, El Tigre, the Fins are a depressed people or something. A local teacher said the two Finish exchange students at the school were not like the others though they were smart. Someone wrote that the Finnish national sport is drowning, because so many die when they jump into cold water after saunas. A writer wrote that the best way to get along in Finland is to be white.

    A joke I read was How many Fins does it take to replace a light bulb? One to hold the light bulb and five to drink enough to make the room sway. The alternative answer is none. The would fix the light bulb.

    How can you distinguish between an extroverted Fin and an introverted Fin. The introvert will look at his shoes while he talks to you. An introvert will look at your shoes.

  • 57. James  |  February 3, 2012 at 10:53 am

    On Feb 3, 1959, a plane carrying Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, The Big Bopper, and pilot Roger Peterson crashed near Clear Lake, Iowa. They were on their way to Fargo. Waylon Jennings let someone take his seat at the last minute.

  • 58. El Tigre  |  February 3, 2012 at 11:12 am

    “Yeah get in the game while some security guard follows you around the store because you MUST be a shoplifter. Never happened to me cos I’m light skinned. It has happened to others. It will never happen to Tigre or James or Rabbit.
    Show me that level playing field first and then we can talk about “getting in the game”.”

    Cry me a river R. Are you advocating welfare dependence with this? If not, MOVE ON. We get it. You want us to feel pity or guilt so you can claim a moral upper hand. You really need to ask yourself why feel compelled to make the observation.

    And you know what you don’t get, “you don’t have to be black in this country [to talk] about pulling yourself up from your bootstraps.”And you know what else. You strike me as someone that had lot of opportunity “given” to you and a reasonably comfortable lifestyle growing up. If I’m not wrong, then shut the fuck up. You have no right to play someone else’s hand. Pulled up by the bootstraps probably defines some of your commenters here and they should speak to it.

    Rant over.

  • 59. El Tigre  |  February 3, 2012 at 11:44 am

    “How can you distinguish between an extroverted Fin and an introverted Fin. The introvert will look at his shoes while he talks to you. An [extrovert] will look at your shoes.”
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • 60. Rutherford  |  February 3, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Every ethnic group that has come to this country …

    Much truth in what you say Pfesser but one reminder is needed. Historically, blacks didn’t come to this country seeking a better life. They were kidnapped and sold like meat. And that is important. I’d be fully on board with you if blacks came here like every other ethnic group believing in the “American dream” and then didn’t have the balls to endure the nastiness that is the American mind set. Every ethnic group has been given sh*t when they come here. But they come here with a purpose and a hope and even an assumption that if they work hard they will make it.

    Blacks were brought here and immediately told their hard labor would be done for f*cking free and if they didn’t like it, they could hang from a tree.

    So I’m sorry my friend, the cultural parallels just don’t cut it.

    Now, I will agree with you that the time to whine about slavery is long past. It ain’t working. It ain’t advancing “the race”. But I don’t say that flippantly. I say that with a profound knowledge of how hard it is to rise above the original sin of this country.

    If the founding fathers are to be condemned for anything it is that they didn’t put a stop to the disgusting practice of slavery when they had a chance. Think what a different nation this would be if blacks had been embraced as equal participants in society from the very beginning.

  • 61. Rutherford  |  February 3, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Tigre regarding your rant, there is a very simple bottom line. If welfare doesn’t work (and it doesn’t) what does society do to make a serious dent in the legacy of racial and economic inequality or do we as Newt says “just manage the decay”?

    It’s become clear that with a Romney presidency welfare is not going to change. He isn’t worried about the very poor because there is a safety net. So we can expect no changes there. :neutral:

  • 62. El Tigre  |  February 3, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    “Now, I will agree with you that the time to whine about slavery is long past. It ain’t working. It ain’t advancing “the race”. But I don’t say that flippantly. I say that with a profound knowledge of how hard it is to rise above the original sin of this country.”

    You haven’t moved past it that I can see. Like all liberals, you bring it up frequently and use it as weapon against your political (or social adversaries) and to avoid the obvious failure of your welfare/dependence/government charity mindset.

  • 63. El Tigre  |  February 3, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    “If welfare doesn’t work (and it doesn’t) what does society do to make a serious dent in the legacy of racial and economic inequality or do we as Newt says “just manage the decay”?”

    Raise expectations and reciprocal obligations. No more affirmative action (preferential treatment) and quit tolerating the left’s exploitation of the race card.

    What do you do when your unemployed adult child moves back home?

    You know. Government isn’t the solution to all inequities.

  • 64. thorsaurus  |  February 3, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Donald Trump is going to endorse Newt today. I assume that means Donald is not running as a third party candidate. Hosting Celebrity Apprentice is his idea of patriotism. What a dipsh*t. – R

    Yeah, he endorsed Romney.

  • 65. thorsaurus  |  February 3, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    “All I can say is I will be spending Easter in Jerusalem. Pretty cool.”

    Congrats, but you might want to read this.

    The prospect of war in the Middle East stoked media attention Thursday after a Washington Post editorial writer claimed Defense Secretary Leon Panetta believes that Israel may attack Iran this spring.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72402.html#ixzz1lLJD9I23

  • 66. PFesser  |  February 3, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    I think the crux of the situation, Rutherford, is what works? Black folks are definitely not doing very well as a group. OK, we had civil rights legislation, affirmative action, quotas, set-asides, black caucases, government investment in minority businesses, “urban renewal,” ad infinitum and they have got us where we are. There ain’t gonna be any more of those kinds of programs; people are disgusted and fed up with them, largely because they haven’t – except for civil rights laws – advanced the black man one inch and have caused a hell of a lot of damage via bypassing the qualified in favor of the unqualified.

    So what now? What has to happen if black folks want to advance?

    My answer is that others have done all they are going to do. Now it’s up to black folks to step up to the plate and help themselves.

    When I started engineering school in the ‘seventies, not only was I unmotivated, I was putting forth the effort that had got me straight A’s in high school and I was getting nowhere. The foreign kids and even the urban kids were cleaning my plow.

    I went home for Christmas and was whining to my dad about how poorly my high school education had prepared me for college and how the city kids thought I was a goober. Sound familiar?

    Know what my dad said? OK fine. Now you know where you stand. What are you going to do about it? No sympathy whatsoever. He really hurt my feelings, but he also put some steel in my spine. After I got done pouting I said to myself, “OK, by god. We’ll see who can do it and who can’t! I’ll show those bastard city boys.” I never looked back. His unsympathetic comment was the best thing he could have ever done, but I didn’t see it then. IMHO the Bill Cosby therapy is exactly what the black bucks standing on the street corner need, not more petting and “Oh, poor boy. It’s not your fault.” They need someone to put some steel in THEIR spines and get the lead out of their asses. Actually, a father – if you can find one – might be just the fellow.

    Just my opinion.

  • 67. thorsaurus  |  February 3, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    I think Komen has done more to advance Planned P. in the last two days than PP could have ever done themselves. Unintended or not.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/komen-cancer-charity-abandons-plans-to-cut-breast-screening-grants-to-planned-parenthood/2012/02/03/gIQ

  • 68. thorsaurus  |  February 3, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    “If the founding fathers are to be condemned for anything it is that they didn’t put a stop to the disgusting practice of slavery when they had a chance. Think what a different nation this would be if blacks had been embraced as equal participants in society from the very beginning.” – R

    Yes, it would have been much different. You would have had the Kingdom of the Northern States with John Adams first on the throne and you would have had the Southern United States (or Jeffersonistan) with its father and first President, George Washington. Jeffersonistan was for you PF. ;)

  • 69. Rutherford  |  February 3, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Bill Cosby therapy is exactly what the black bucks standing on the street corner need

    PF your lack of PC is classic. I wasn’t familiar with the phrase “bucks” until the past couple of weeks when Chris Matthews was referring back to when Ronnie Reagan used to use the phrase.

    Maybe if we could integrate the ghettos then we could talk about a poverty problem instead of just a black problem. Sheeeeeut, even poor blacks and whites live separately.

    Makes me feel kinda hopeless some days.

    P.S. I think Cosby is right on the money in terms of his rhetoric.

  • 70. Rutherford  |  February 3, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Thor I’m intrigued. Are you saying that Thomas Jefferson would have been the Jefferson Davis of his day had we started with a split United States?

  • 71. Rutherford  |  February 3, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Also Thor FWIW, I thought BOTH Washington and Adams were Federalists.

  • 72. Rutherford  |  February 3, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    It’s a minor step, but the first thing Planned Parenthood should do is rename itself Women’s Health Services. You can’t go around claiming all the diverse services your org offers women when your name screams out BIRTH CONTROL!!!

  • 73. PFesser  |  February 3, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Don’t take the buck comment too personally. My mother used to call me “laddie-buck” when she was about to pin my ears back.

    And don’t think I’m insensitive to poor folks’ plight, either. I grew up poor – although I didn’t know it at the time – but I KNEW people who didn’t have enough to eat.

    I also saw those who pulled themselves out of it and those who stayed poor, and once the opium of welfare got its hold, it was pretty much over. If you are poor and proud, you will do all right. Take away that pride – and welfare is the perfect formula for doing that – and all is lost. I just wish everybody could understand that do-gooders, doing what seems right, is not always the same thing as doing what IS right.

  • 74. dead rabbit  |  February 3, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    “They were kidnapped and sold like meat.”

    Kidnapped? lol. What, were there snipe hunts for ‘um?

    Flash ‘um with a light, temporarily blinding the quick little jungle monkeys, and then bag ‘um?

    Yeah dude.

    The Europeans pulled into West African ports and went on massive slave hunts in the claustrophobic and utterly alien jungle.

    They bagged and tagged millions, that way.

    We can’t even stop illegals crossing the border in the year 2012, but in 1500, the Portuguese were able to “kidnap” blacks in the jungle.

  • 75. dead rabbit  |  February 3, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    I have ten minutes to pull the trigger on my Jerusalem trip.

    The new is all about war. My wife is pregnant.

    Fuuuuuuuuuuuck!

    What should I do?

  • 76. thorsaurus  |  February 3, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Thor I’m intrigued. Are you saying that Thomas Jefferson would have been the Jefferson Davis of his day had we started with a split United States?
    Also Thor FWIW, I thought BOTH Washington and Adams were Federalists. – R

    No, I’m saying Washington and Jefferson were Virginians first and Virginia would never have joined a Union that outlawed slavery. The Adams remark was a shot at the Alien and Sedition Acts. If that doesn’t draw BiW back in, you’ve lost him for good. ;)

  • 77. PFesser  |  February 3, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    Wow man. Tough call. I tell you, though, it is always bad policy to bet against the Jews, so Jerusalem is probably about as safe a place as you could be. If I were the Persians, I’d be mentally picking out my virgins for paradise. As my 6’4″/265# cousin used to tell the amateur bar-fighters, “I’m going to tell you one time: you are fucking with the wrong man.” So is Iran.

    Re: kidnapping slaves. You gotta be shitting me, R. You know how it went: The (mainly Dutch) shipmasters hove to, dropped anchor and then traded for slaves that the warring tribes had captured from each other. Venture into that jungle? Not on your life.

  • 78. thorsaurus  |  February 3, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    What should I do?

    Can you hedge it with insurance? I know you can do that with cruises, in case you have to cancel due to illness. Hey, I just created a new financial instrument, a TDS, travel default swap. :)

  • 79. Rutherford  |  February 3, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    TDS, travel default swap.

    LOL Classic.

    Truth Rabbit is the world is a dangerous place. The USA, barring beatings, muggings, rapes and murders is probably the safest place on the planet.F*ck… the Egyptians killed each other a day or so ago over a f*cking soccer match.

    But on the other hand, you can’t live without living. Part of living is exploring. How’s your wife feel about traveling while in her special condition? That should probably be your paramount concern.

  • 80. Rutherford  |  February 3, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    To Rabbit and Pfesser … ok fine correct my history. But please don’t tell me the Africans eagerly got on the boat coming here for a better life. You know better, and therefore, my point still stands.

  • 81. James  |  February 3, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    Slaves were in vogue back then because their labor was needed. Iceland, for example has a larger proportion of Irish genes than expected. The Vikings carried irish back home as slaves. There is even a small element of American Indian genetic material in some Icelanders.

    Warring African tribes also took slaves and they sold them to traders, not all white. In America, some free blacks also owned slaves.

    You are right, Rutherford, the people who became slaves were yanked from their homes and sent to an alien place where few if any people spoke their language and little was like what it was at home.

    As I wrote before, white Samis were also kidnapped and shipped to New Sweden and later the the British colonies. Sami singer Mari Boine said “…and I learned more about my people’s history. And then, there was a volcano inside me of anger and rage that had to get out. Because, then, I realized what had been done to my people.” I expect you might feel the same, Rutherford.

    I believe only a segment of blacks, whites and others have been left behind in a harmful culture of entitlement. They are an expensive drain on our economy.

  • 82. poolman  |  February 3, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    I don’t know rabbit. The Israelis are warning us Iranian terrorists are going to attack our nation and pretend to be Jewish, maybe even carrying forged Israeli passports.

    http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-israel-warns-us-jews-iran-could-strike-153636488–abc-news.html

    You can’t make this shit up. I guess “pretending to be the enemy” IS a terrorist tactic. As in “agent provocateur” infiltration.

    Good heavens, we are s l o w learners.

    So yeah, expect something soon. Iran is part of the “axis of evil”, after all. :roll: I wouldn’t travel near there right now, myself. But then, it may be just as safe as anywhere else. Often it’s the calmest in the very center of the storm.

  • 83. Raji  |  February 3, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    “ok fine correct my history. But please don’t tell me the Africans eagerly got on the boat coming here for a better life”-R

    Rutherford, of course you have your point, slaves did not arrive willingly. However for a different perspective research Australia. The criminals did not arrive willingly but assimilated eventually into the society.

    For another perspective look at the Bahamas. In 1973, The Bahamas became fully independent, but retained membership in the Commonwealth of Nations. There was a major downgrade when the Bahamas became independent. There remain significant challenges in areas such as education, health care, housing, international narcotics trafficking and illegal immigration from Haiti. I was there during these years and saw the degradation of the country after independence.

    The point being made is that “young black people” in this country expect entitlement. their parents do not. It was the “young black people” that downgraded the Bahamas after independence.

  • 84. Rutherford  |  February 4, 2012 at 2:05 am

    The point being made is that “young black people” in this country expect entitlement. their parents do not.

    Raji, then I guess my question is are we talking more generational than racial?

    The OWS crowd, mostly white, has been accused of expecting entitlements. Could it be that The Great Society has produced generations of people, regardless of race, who lack the work ethic of their forbears?

  • 85. poolman  |  February 4, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Could it be that The Great Society has produced generations of people, regardless of race, who lack the work ethic of their forbears?

    Now you’re hitting what you’re swinging at. The affluent neighborhoods don’t suffer poverty, but they are raising a generation without a true “work ethic”. Sure there are exceptions here as well as in impoverished areas, although more opportunities exist where there are more resources.

    With our very high unemployment rate, there are still jobs Americans refuse to do. These jobs are either considered culturally distasteful or require too much effort to perform or the conditions are too extreme for our pampered youth.

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