The New RINO: A Conservative Without the Drama
November 30, 2011 at 7:05 pm Rutherford 629 comments
Some folks, particularly many of my readers, are quick to throw the label RINO (Republican in Name Only) at any Republican not sufficiently conservative in their view. I don’t object to the practice one bit if the shoe fits. George W. Bush was a RINO. He spent the country into bankruptcy. Lately, however, folks are confusing sensible with RINO.
Early on in the GOP primary season I expressed interest in Jon Huntsman. Just on paper, he looked like the strongest contender having both executive (Governor of Utah) experience and foreign policy (Ambassador to China) experience. I also liked the fact that he didn’t run away from climate change and evolution as scientific lines of inquiry worth exploring. Since I’m not a Republican, my analysis stopped there. I was quickly informed by several of my readers that Huntsman is a RINO and has no business anywhere near the Oval Office. Hence I was pleased to stumble upon a quiz posted by MSNBC host Joe Scarborough in Politico magazine. The quiz, copied below in its entirety compares Huntsman to the current leading contenders Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich. (YIKES I feel like I’m living in an alternate universe putting Newt Gingrich and “leading contender” in the same sentence!)
1. Who said, “I will preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose. I am not going to change pro-choice laws in any way”?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
2. Who bragged about being a moderate with this comment, “There is a new synthesis evolving with the classic moderate wing of the party, where as a former Rockefeller state chairman, I’ve spent most of my life”?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
3. Who starred in a 2007 global warming commercial with Nancy Pelosi that was sponsored by Al Gore’s Alliance for Climate Protection?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
4. Who once famously said, “I don’t line up with the NRA”?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
5. Who was paid $312,000 by ethanol interests and then said ethanol is good for national security and for the economy?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
6. Which candidate bragged about not being a Republican during the Reagan presidency and promised that if elected he would not “return to Reagan-Bush policies”?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
7. Which candidate told Planned Parenthood that he supported state funding of abortion?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
8. Which candidate has consistently supported the type of individual mandates for health insurance that conservatives are trying to overturn through court challenges to Obamacare? (Trick question: Two of three are correct answers.)
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
9. Which candidate went on NBC’s “Meet the Press” and called Paul Ryan’s Medicare plan “radical” and “right-wing social engineering”?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
10. Which candidate is the only GOP presidential contender to come out in full support of the Ryan plan?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
11. Which candidate bragged to CNN that he’s “the most seriously professorial politician since Woodrow Wilson”?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
12. Which candidate told Planned Parenthood that he supported the “substance” of the Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
13. Which candidate said of the Medicare prescription drug plan that was the largest expansion of entitlements since the Great Society, “Every conservative member of Congress should vote for this Medicare bill. Obstructionist conservatives can always find reasons to vote no”?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
14. Which candidate attacked Steve Largent, Tom Coburn and other conservatives as “the Perfectionist Caucus,” while giving his last speech as speaker in support of Dick Gephardt and Dave Obey’s colossal Omnibus Bill of 1998?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
15. Which candidate was ranked by Cato Institute in 2008 one of the most fiscally conservative governors in America?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
16. Which candidate was cited by the Pew Center for running the “best-managed” state, hailed by Forbes magazine as the “most fiscally fit” and ranked first in the country for job creation?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
17. Whose economic plan does The Wall Street Journal consider the most impressive and conservative of the Republican presidential field?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
18. The American Conservative wrote this about which GOP candidate, “For the past two decades a ‘moderate’ Republican was one who didn’t generally side with his party on three issues: taxes, guns and abortion. [This candidate’s] record on those isn’t just to the right of the moderates. It is to the right of most conservatives”?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
19. Which candidate was praised in a Club for Growth report for reforming health care with “no individual mandate, no employer mandate and no provision for a massive expansion of subsidized care unlike Obamacare or Romney’s plan”?
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
20. Who are the real RINOs here? (Feel free to circle two.)
A. Mitt Romney
B. Newt Gingrich
C. Jon Huntsman
Answers: 1) A; 2) B; 3) B; 4) A; 5) B; 6) A; 7) A; 8.) A and B; 9) B; 10) C; 11) B; 12) A; 13) B; 14) B; 15) C; 16) C; 17) C; 18) C; 19) C; 20) you decide.
via Opinion: Who is the real RINO? – Joe Scarborough – POLITICO.com.
Clearly, at least from this quiz, the only candidate of the three who is NOT a RINO is Jon Huntsman. So, you have to ask yourself why is Huntsman labeled so by so many? Could it be that unlike Gingrich, Huntsman doesn’t talk about the President’s Kenyan anti-colonialist background? Perhaps it is because Huntsman, unlike Gingrich, doesn’t identify liberalism as the most dangerous phenomenon in America since World War II Nazism? Could it be that unlike Romney, Huntsman has not been anointed by the establishment and certainly no one anointed by the establishment could possibly be a RINO.
The fact that Jon Huntsman has been virtually ignored by his party and the potential primary voters tells me that his party is not really serious about leading us out of this crisis. The GOP electorate have so far only shown interest in opportunists and drama queens. If that trend does not change, the GOP does not deserve your vote in November of 2012.
Respectfully,
Rutherford
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El Tigre | November 30, 2011 at 7:25 pm
The bigger question is why you embrace Huntsman whom you know almost nothing about — other than MSNBC sponsors him. Perhaps your answer lies there and not this selectively misleading “quiz” Grasshopper. . .
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Tex Taylor | November 30, 2011 at 7:37 pm
Why not a little reverse psychology?
I only have one thing to say for my dear Rutherford. Which one of the following was appointed by Obama and called Obama “remarkable”?
(a) Newt Gingrich
(b) Mitt Romney
(c) Jon Huntsman
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By the way Rutherford. I read today, after the dire warnings of more Katrina’s due to AGW, unless we have a whopper of a hurricane this winter, we just surpassed the historical record for longest period of time without a Category 3 or stronger hurricane hitting the U.S.
Put that one in the memory bag next time you talk about the historical accuracy of Al Gore/Lib science.
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Tex Taylor | November 30, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Then I guess we can assume you have finally distinguished true Conservatism is capable of leading us out of this crisis?
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Tex Taylor | November 30, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Rabbit, Tigre and Pfesser,
Thought you guys might find this interesting. I don’t need the snarky, uninformed opinion of the left on why up is down and down is up. What I do like is informed people shooting straight. I thought this was a very informative article and one that I agree with.
Let’s face it. The stock market is not acting rationally anymore and hasn’t been for sometime.
http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2011/11/perfect-storm-of-bullishness-or-not.html
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poolman | November 30, 2011 at 9:58 pm
The GOP
pontificatingprimary campaign isa serious search for a true leadera chance to badmouth Obamaa prime time reality showa marketing strategyan elaborate sideshow performed for America.A diversion. ♫♪♪And the beat goes on…
Who’s on whose leash?
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dead rabbit | November 30, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Tex,
I, too, am fascinated. Here’s my take.
I believe stocks to be undervalued. There are literally thousands of deals that in a normal world, CFA’s would be orgasmic about.
Investors are just itching to pull the trigger and sometimes they do irrationally because they are so disconnected from global finance and pent up by macro forces. Its hard to come to terms with the fact that this isn’t our father’s economy anymore.
Of course sloshing cash all over the world doesn’t hurt when it comes to days like this.
When Argentina shit the bed, it didn’t trigger even a regional shit storm.
Yet, thanks to the growth of the Western World’s welfare state and its deficit spending scheme and the rise of Big Banks smart enough to understand that interest rates can NEVER be reasonable again, Capitalism has been taken hostage. CDS is like a giant weave, ensuring mutual destruction.
Our global monetary masters will attempt to inflate the entire basket of currencies, slow boiling us with the hope they can hold on until their time on Earth is done.
OWS crowd, ignorant and for the most part socialist, will continue to attack the hostage.
Many right wingers, so instinctively defensive (with good reason) of any philosophical criticism of things like banking, will put their head in the sand.
The rest of the Plebeians demand only Dancing with the Stars.
Ultimately, Germany will do what it has always promised it would never do again.
They will be ok with essentially printing, and will bloat the IMF. The IMF will allow world leaders to claim their hands are clean and some lame ass austerity will be passed, just enough to survive the next decade.
The Fed will continue to do the same in terms of weakening the dollar.
Us normal blokes get screwed. All of this outside of the traditional framework of our republic.
Fuck camping on the street smoking dope. Gold and silver is the only way to flip the middle finger.
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dead rabbit | November 30, 2011 at 11:20 pm
By the way, I guarantee American banks are lying about their exposure to toxic sovereign debt across the pond.
I think the Fed is proving this by their actions today.
We need to just take this Depression on the nose so our kids don’t. We are America. We’re fucking rich!
New banks would rise up.
We don’t need to bring back laws stopping investment banking. Its ok to be ballsy. Let’s spin the wheels. We just need to be able to see the spokes. We need transparency on all bets made.
But what the hell do I know. Two years ago I was one of the ignorant. Its possible I’m still ignorant, just of the poolman variety, now.
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dead rabbit | November 30, 2011 at 11:26 pm
I’m breaking even on my bet on gasoline, so far. Oil, nat gas, gasoline wasn’t invited to the party today.
I understand why the bond market didn’t budge.
No clue why we didn’t see oil go way up. Steel went through the roof. If I had cash I’d short the shit out of it.
I’m going to stand fast and cash out as soon as I’m around 30 or 50 percent.
I might end up getting thumped on this caper.
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Tex Taylor | November 30, 2011 at 11:44 pm
And that is the entire key. Are stocks undervalued? If you look at P/E, it’s pretty much a wash at the moment. And I can’t tell you whether you are right or not, because I have no idea.
I do know this. I would not invest in companies at the moment that don’t have substantial cash on hand to ride out the storm. Because while P/E seems reasonable to me, debt to equity ratio doesn’t for all but the best of breed.
Here is why I am 80% out of the equities – completely out of bonds. Recent history. I can see within the next two weeks, the market dropping 2,000 points, because sooner or later, these band aids aren’t going to stop the bleeding. But I have been saying that since the end of April and it hasn’t happened.
I still predict hyperinflation is in the future – I don’t see how it can’t happen. If you shop like I do since I’m now the bachelor again, I have watched milk, eggs, meat, cheese, wheat, etc… shoot up 30-40% the last year. Gasoline is $3.00, but crude says it will be $4.00 again soon. Global demand is actually a little down or stagnant for the year last I looked.
Well see what happens when the Euro falls apart. But for the moment, I’m simply trying to preserve capital. Because I feel the market can drop faster than inflation can increase. Either way, I feel confident my real net worth is dropping.
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poolman | November 30, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Listen to your
profitsprophets, maan…11.
Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 1:27 am
Damn, some good news for Obama. OWS has turned on him. Now who you clueless libs going to pick to side with? The skunk or the punk?
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/occupy-protesters-mobilize-for-obamas-visit/
Who knew Obama, while demonizing private enterprise Saul Alinsky style, was a corporate puppet too?
Clever…very clever.
You bunch of slugs.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 1:45 am
Rutherford, from the last thread.
So you think Dana Perino is a dumbass?
Man, you got a hangup for good looking white women, don’t you? Conservative women excite you. Dana is a well spoken cutie. Maybe you’re one of those sad sacks who think an insult is the quickest way to woman’s heart?
Come on, brother. You’d crawl in the sack with Chaz Maddow. Anybody willing to doddle on that grit is too lazy to choke the chicken.
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poolman | December 1, 2011 at 2:08 am
They’re ALL puppets. How else do you expect to put on a puppet show?
You thought the OWS crowd was in for Obama? 
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 2:25 am
Yes Poolman, it is funny how Tex etal thought OWS an Obama puppet. A bunch of them heckled him a few days ago in true OWS style: “Mic check!”
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 2:30 am
The only comments so far on the subject of this post have been mighty lame. The best you can do is quote a man praising the man who appointed him? What about serving your country do you not understand?
As the post suggests, you’re just looking for someone who will insult Obama to his face in a debate so you can get your cathartic Obama-hate satisfied. Give me some concrete policy positions that Huntsman has held that disqualify him as a true conservative. If I were a betting man, I’d say you couldn’t.
Again, as I said, you’re not really interested in picking someone with experience that shows he can solve our problems. You simply want Obama humiliated and kicked to the curb. With any luck, most voters in 2012 will want more than that, and not finding it, Obama will be reelected by default. And all because you and your’s were fools.
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poolman | December 1, 2011 at 3:06 am
You just can’t get good service these days in a self-service world. It’s as Dylan prophesied, “The Times they are a’Changin.”
But take heart, there are new revelations on the rise. Here is Stephen Colbert’s take on the latest in world-wide religion.
Yahweh or No Way – Altered Catholic Mass, Papal Seat Belt & Offensive Vodka Ad
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huckingfypocrites | December 1, 2011 at 3:28 am
I am going to have to admit that I’ve never heard of Jon Huntsman before this year. I don’t know much about him.
And since he has no chance of winning the primary, anyway, I guess I won’t spend time learning….
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thorsaurus | December 1, 2011 at 5:21 am
R, they’ve convinced themselves that Obama is Jimmy Carter. The problem is, they can’t convince themselves that any of these guys are Ronald Reagan.
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thorsaurus | December 1, 2011 at 5:29 am
Zags thumped the Irish tonight. Saaaahweeeet!
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thorsaurus | December 1, 2011 at 5:41 am
“I can see within the next two weeks, the market dropping 2,000 points,” Tex.
Have some faith. You’re starting to sound like Moriarty from Kelley’s Heroes.
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thorsaurus | December 1, 2011 at 5:53 am
Always kinda liked the theme song from that movie.
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an800lbgorilla | December 1, 2011 at 6:04 am
“Come on, brother. You’d crawl in the sack with Chaz Maddow. Anybody willing to doddle on that grit is too lazy to choke the chicken.” – Tex
Wow, I’ve seen a lot blood and gore in my time. I’ve seen heads sawed off, I’ve seen limbs blown off, I’ve seen corpses burned like a pig on the spit. None promote bile quite like this mental image did.
BZ Shipmate, you’ve a gift…
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an800lbgorilla | December 1, 2011 at 6:32 am
The Smartest-Man-in-the-Room once again demonstrates that he is not. If Herman Cain said this, it would be all over MSDNC talking about how he was unqualified on foreign policy, oh, and that this again demonstrates the token nature of Cain. There would probably be a mention of
democratKKK involvement too…He is, without question, a FUCKING MORON.
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El Tigre | December 1, 2011 at 9:04 am
“R, they’ve convinced themselves that Obama is Jimmy Carter.”
That’s an insult to Jimmy Carter, who is a complete cock-knocker.
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El Tigre | December 1, 2011 at 9:37 am
“The only comments so far on the subject of this post have been mighty lame. The best you can do is quote a man praising the man who appointed him? What about serving your country do you not understand?”
R, I am still trying to understand what you’re “really” after with this post. It’s not like you’ve said anything meaningful about Huntsman. You’re obviously not going to vote for him and you ain’t invited to the primaries where the one that will be selected is the one that Republicans believe will beat Obama. Doesn’t look like that’s going to be Huntsman.
You can’t lead the country if you can’t get elected for cryin’ out loud.
And frankly, I’ve got a problem with the guy beginning with the fact that he’s part of the Obama administration. How did he become the ambassador to China and what did he do in that role? Why does that translate into foreign affairs specialist to the rest of the world to you? Was it the cute dialogue in Chinese in one of the like 3 interviews he’s given that were aired. My brother lived in Shanghai for 5 years and speaks decent Mandarin and Cantonese. Maybe I should be more impressed with his political skills? Is it because he was in a band called “Wizard” (God they had to have sucked)?
Answers? Why are you so enamored with the guy?
Oh yeah. . . MSNBC talks about him. So fucking what? Turn off the damn idiot channel. If he were the greatest conservative on earth, he’s run a shitty campaign — ending with not appearing at the debates.
Why aren’t you making the case for Santorum being the non-RINO? That’s rhetorical. It’s because he’s really irrelevant at this stage, right? Same with the others. So too with Huntsman.
Nobody’s paying attention to him because no body’s paying attention to him. I don’t know shit about the guy really (and quite obviously neither do you or you wouldn’t cut and paste Scarborough’s laugh-out-loud “quiz” as proof of something). It’s the lib media that gets into the tabloid-style approach to covering the Republican candidates (“Gee, what’s with Cain’s hat?”). At this point Hunstman is like Admiral Stockdale (“why am I here??”).
All I see you doing is passing along the MSNBC frustration of not being able to select Huntsman for the next in line to push then ridicule.
Look, he isn’t going to win the nomination, he’s part of the Obama administration, better luck next time. Go figure out what you’re going to do with your beloved Obama. His approval dropped below Carter to 43%. Trying to lecture us about the virtues of an overlooked candidate (a mechanism to criticize to contrast whomever the lib media pushes this week) ain’t going to cure that.
And what gives with Cain’s hat?
Now lets get back to more important observations, like what’s Palin planning to do next?
“What about serving your country do you not understand” — coming from a guy that will vote for Obama again. Priceless.
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El Tigre | December 1, 2011 at 9:49 am
“Yes Poolman, it is funny how Tex etal thought OWS an Obama puppet. A bunch of them heckled him a few days ago in true OWS style: “Mic check!”
What’s really funny is that Obama thought the OWS was his puppet. Even funnier is that you thought OWS represented the administration’s class warfare angle and would validate your socialist/anti-capitalist views when in fact they have done the exact opposite.
Obama would’ve been received the same way at a Grateful Dead concert had he tried to harness the hippies as he did here.
Keep cheering OWS!! They’ll get their shit together one day and lead us all to egalitarian Utopia.
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PFesser | December 1, 2011 at 9:57 am
Tigre opined ‘way back there. I meant to get back to it.
“All Michelle Obama is capable of formulating on her own are lavish vacations and extravagant meals in time of economic crisis. . . and a bulbous onion booty.
I take exception to that. If you have anything against an onion booty, I submit the following for your evaluation:
http://www.higherthansatire.com/.a/6a00d8341cd41453ef01157018ea24970b-800wi
God. A dose of that and a drink of water would kill you.
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an800lbgorilla | December 1, 2011 at 10:12 am
Yes, yes, being an Ambassador is oh so much a critical resume item. For example, the United Kingdom (Often confused as England for the Internationally ignorant)…
Of course, if you’ve been paying attention, BO and his lacky is London have done much to reinforce the special relationship we have with Great Britain. I mean, who would think poorly of returning Winston Churchil’s bust, giving a box set of DVDs for the wrong region (a box set I might add that was in response to a British gift of a pen holder made from the wood of the HMS Resolute- the same HMS Resolute that the President’s desk is made from), or an ipod full of BO speeches.
God bless the British, because they’ve been incredibly patient with an Administration that constantly insults and bumbles its way through foreign policy.
“Obama had promised to appoint more career diplomats as ambassadors to prestige posts.” You mean [with a quiver in the voice and a tear in the eye] he, he, lied? But, but, but Obama doesn’t break promises….
Tell us again R how special Ambassadorships are…
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Raji | December 1, 2011 at 10:23 am
My one and only comment regarding Gingrich! I just shake my head!
Iowa evangelical, Steve Deace, an influential conservative radio host
“I see a lot of parallels between King David and Newt Gingrich, two extraordinary men gifted by God, whose lives include very high highs and very low lows,” Deace says.
…
David, after all, committed adultery with the ravishing Bathsheba, then had her husband killed, among other transgressions. The Bible makes room for complicated, morally compromised heroes. Now Christian conservatives, desperate for an alternative to Mitt Romney, are learning to do so as well.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 10:35 am
No, I said three years ago, “that’s the best case scenario.” Obama blew thru the ineptness of Jimmy Carter in the first couple of months into his regime, and it’s been downhill ever since.
If Republicans nominated a can of stink bait, it would be better than what we’ve got now.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 10:44 am
If we are awaiting a candidate that isn’t morally compromised, we are going to be waiting until the second coming. I doubt the election will matter much then – at least not for me.
Let’s hope Newt Gingrich is David, because the Bible also say that David was “a man after God’s own heart”, and the results say the greatest King in the history of the world if success means anything. 3,000 years later, Jerusalem is still known as the City of David.
I doubt they’ll be calling D.C. the City of Barack by 2013. Might be calling it the abomination of the desolation, Babylon or the Great Whore if Obama wins, though.
Comes pretty close to the latter now.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 10:47 am
I won’t even mention what I think of when I see the insufferable Serena Williams on the court, but my scrotum retracts and my cremaster muscles strains.
That is not fit for human consumption.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 10:56 am
Here Rutherford. I knew you would think this post brilliant and whine when we ignored its content. So that you gain some satisfaction that we didn’t miss the ruse:
This told me all I need to know about Jonnie Goodhair:
I will say this for Jon Huntsman.
He is infinitely better than Obama. So here is my suggestion. Recruit him to the Dimocratic party where he belongs – but you’re not going to like his stances on abortion.
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PFesser | December 1, 2011 at 10:59 am
God, Tex, how could you not think she is a fine specimen?! She and her sister remind me of a couple of magnificent tigers. She’s got a little extra fat – I’ll grant you that, but look at those muscles! She looks like one of the heroines in one of those sci-fi novels from the ‘fifties. Just give her a sword and she’s ready to conquer the solar system…
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 11:08 am
Pfesser,
Of what species? She looks like a walking, talking ‘roid. I’ll grant you the muscle part. As if I wanted to bone Arnold Schwarzenegger from behind with beads in his hair.
Every time I see that uppity, sniveling beeyatch, I wait for her to turn green on the court and crouch down like The Hulk.
Add to the fact, Serena’s attitude reminds me too much of Marie Antoinette Obama – another dimwit, hulking degenerate I wouldn’t touch with “R”‘s pecker – it makes Serena so easy to root against.
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PFesser | December 1, 2011 at 11:11 am
Tex -
OK – fair enough! LOL
C’mon, Rutherford – let’s take turns with her! Of course there is always the danger that she might tie us up and take turns with US!
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an800lbgorilla | December 1, 2011 at 11:21 am
Ahem……
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 11:27 am
Pfesser, we have had our share of major disagreements, but I know you’re a smart enough man. Restore my confidence in your taste and sense.
Do you want this?
http://www.thesuperficial.com/serena_williams_in_a_bikini_2-03-2010
Or this?
http://www.tennisperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Maria-Sharapova1.jpg
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El Tigre | December 1, 2011 at 11:29 am
“God. A dose of that and a drink of water would kill you.”
Sheesh. Maybe it’s my Scandanavian heritage, but that doesn’t do a damn thing for me. The brothers love it though. Since Michelle OB Antoinette seems to “do it” for R, perhaps there is some truth to his claim that he’s really black.
But how to reconcile R’s fascination with Chaz Maddow which is proof that he’s gay or really confused.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 11:34 am
Here Thor…such a good guy too, until the word Barack pops up. Then you go utterly brain dead. I understand Brack said he needed another term to “finish the job.”
Personally, I don’t think it would take a full term. O’Blamer could probably could do it in two.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/obama-deficit-2011.jpg
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an800lbgorilla | December 1, 2011 at 11:39 am
R, you’ll find this story interesting…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-unintended-consequences-of-racial-preferences/2011/11/29/gIQAbuoPEO_story.html
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El Tigre | December 1, 2011 at 11:44 am
Well R, Tex’s video hurts your MSNBC induced analysis. It’s got more substance than Scarborough’s deliberately selective and completely unilluminating “quiz.”
I think you’re gonna need to work harder. Bubbles Brzezinski and her crew ain’t supplying you with enough ammo.
Did you look at any of those Friedman clips. I know they’re gut wrenching for you. I just want to see what you’ve been able to assemble to refute — ’cause I know that’s your urge. Poolman didn’t do you any good on the last thread.
I am sure Krugman will fill your usual approach to economic policy analysis — tell you what you want to hear then you hide behind his credential to stake your claim to a pretend, unassailable victory.
Or you could admit that he makes damn good points that might cause you to reconsider some of your thoughts on what might the proper role of government in a capitalist economy and your notions of “fairness.” Just sayin’.
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El Tigre | December 1, 2011 at 11:47 am
“I understand Brack said he needed another term to “finish the job.”
http://www.teapartyworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Obama-my-work-here-is-done-poster.jpg
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 11:50 am
Since Rutherford scolds us for our political choices and asks why we don’t support XYZ as candidate, insinuating we are not serious, watch the 32 second video, remembering Barack Obama promised to put a stop to lobbying, then read the short Bloomberg article.
My question in return to you “R” is, “why you’re 90% sure you’re going to vote for a proven liar and hypocrite not once, but twice?”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-29/tauzin-s-11-6-million-made-him-highest-paid-health-law-lobbyist.html
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PFesser | December 1, 2011 at 11:54 am
Tex-
They both have their appeal, although it’s not a fair comparison, since Venus’ picture is pretty unflattering.
I like the white girl for everyday and the black one for the occasional wild, jungle-fever kind of night.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 11:55 am
Tigre, every time I see that poster, I laugh out loud.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 12:02 pm
I don’t know whether that one deserves a laugh out loud or twisted?
Well, this one would surely comply for a wild time, especially with your credential. Somebody needs to pay and be held accountable. It might as well be a high flyer like you!
http://nation.foxnews.com/homelessness/2011/12/01/homeless-lady-15-kids-somebody-needs-pay-all-my-children
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PFesser | December 1, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Tex -
Wow. Thanks for that video. I did my part; I forwarded the link to the fifteen people on my conservative email list.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Regarding 25, damn Tigre I’m sorry you devoted that much time to what has to be one of the most ignorant comments ever written by you on this blog and probably any other blog you frequent. Let’s start with this one:
If he were the greatest conservative on earth, he’s run a shitty campaign — ending with not appearing at the debates.
By not appearing, do you mean literally or figuratively? If literally, then you have not been paying attention. The only debate (which in truth was not a debate) that Huntsman did not appear at was the “we-all-love-God” Family Forum “debate” in Iowa a few weeks ago. Now if you’re referring to the amount of time he actually talks in the debates, well that is the fault of the media who have stacked the deck already. If you haven’t figured out yet that the media is telling you who to pay attention to, then you’re damn naive. There was a time when Ron Paul was placing well in every poll and damn near ignored by the media.
What am I “really” getting at? There’s no ulterior motive Tigre. I like politicians who are polite, intelligent and articulate and Huntsman seems to be all three. Sorry to break it to you but he’s forgotten more about China then you will ever know.
He is NOT a member of the Obama administration. That would be pretty stupid wouldn’t it? He WAS a member of the Obama administration. Some folks like Huntsman and Bob Gates serve their country when asked regardless of party affiliation.
The quiz which I copied here seems pretty straight forward. Since you and others argue with my level of analysis just copy/pasting a quiz, then by all means copy/paste your evidence that Huntsman is a RINO unworthy of consideration. And I’m sorry, serving under Obama is not enough. Quite frankly I’ve done more in my meager effort to prove my point than you have to prove yours (if you have a point).
Then there is this business of the defeatist attitude “he won’t win anyway so why bother paying attention”. Is that how our political process is supposed to work? That’s what is broken in our process. Tigre, who do you support and why? Or are you one of these yahoos who says “anyone but Obama”, one of the dumbest political strategies I’ve ever heard?
There are 19 questions in that quiz (not counting the last one which is rhetorical). If you can show me how any one of those questions is misleading or incorrect, have at it. (That goes for all of you!)
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Gorilla, British Embassy vs English Embassy? Are you kidding me? That’s the best you can do?
Please.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Tex, I watched your verumserum video. Huntsman doesn’t turn a blind eye to science. Seems like a plus in my book. Tell me where he advocated spending billions of dollars on climate change? Seems to me he doesn’t want the issue ignored and wants sensible ways of approaching it.
Healthcare is too damn expensive. He’s right. From what I understand he enacted reforms in Utah without any mandates. What’s your grief there?
He actually wants Democrats and Independents to vote for him. How friggin’ novel!!!! Seems to me if he got his way it would be a guaranteed pink slip for Obama. Why don’t you like that?
Tex, you’re the textbook case I’m talking about in this post … someone who wants to see Obama humiliated in a debate. Someone who wants a candidate who will name-call and bully or at least say stupid controversial sh*t for the sake of saying it.
That’s why you’re fighting a lose/lose battle. If America rejects your kind of candidate, Obama will win … you lose. If America embraces your kind of candidate, gridlock will continue in DC and the country’s figure head will symbolize ignorance and/or belligerence.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Democracy is a messy thing G. I think you’re wrestling with can people be trusted to choose the right leaders.
Maybe democracy isn’t for everyone?
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an800lbgorilla | December 1, 2011 at 1:00 pm
“Gorilla, British Embassy vs English Embassy? Are you kidding me? That’s the best you can do?
Please.” – R
You and I may not see the difference, but the Brits do and they’ve been commenting about it. I suppose it wouldn’t be such a big deal if he didn’t have so many gaffes with the British. That shit all adds up…
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an800lbgorilla | December 1, 2011 at 1:01 pm
OWS, just the Tea Party…
“Sanitation officials said Wednesday that they expect to haul away 30 tons of debris from the Occupy L.A. encampment –- everything from clothing to heaps of garbage to oddball curiosities left behind by the protesters who lived at the City Hall tent city for two months.“
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an800lbgorilla | December 1, 2011 at 1:03 pm
“Maybe democracy isn’t for everyone?” – R
Do you have any idea what the geopolitical ramifications are of this?
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 1:04 pm
I don’t know why I’m stooping to answer this but what the hell. Tigre, since when did I say I wanted to bone the First Lady? She’s a’ight in my book but no stunning beauty.
As for Rachel Maddow, if you can tell me that you’re objectively viewing her appearance without regard for her orientation then I’ll take your opinion seriously.
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 1, 2011 at 1:07 pm
The GOP electorate have so far only shown interest in opportunists and drama queens. If that trend does not change, the GOP does not deserve your vote in November of 2012.
And the Dhim electorate made a conscious decision in 2008 to be sexist instead of racist, and elect someone without a single meaningful employment experience or hint of executive experience on his resume, without a lick of serious vetting, so that they could be “historic” and “unprecedented”.
They got both, but in this case, neither of those descriptors can be uttered in a positive context by anyone who is actually paying attention.
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 1, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Do you have any idea what the geopolitical ramifications are of this?
I’ll take “He’ll “bear witness” to events” for $200, Alex.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Rutherford,
This is lame buddy. Your hope for a weak candidate to run against the blamer is just not working. Huntsman polls less than Bachmann. He just doesn’t connect with this Republican party, much as David Frum, Kathleen Parker or Chubby Meghan McCain don’t connect. That’s Washington’s idea of a Republican. Even the establishment RINO’s are more in line with Romney than Huntsman.
I’m sure Huntsman not a bad guy, bright and his daughters are pretty. I can relate – at least to the pretty daughters. We don’t need Obama with good hair in the White House pushing for cap and trade. I give you this – Huntsman obviously far brighter and more accomplished than the Ayer’s apprentice and Rev. Wright money changer.
Take your pick – Romney or Gingrich. Both are far intelligent than O’Blamer. Both are eminently more qualified than the blamer for President. And both will utterly destroy the “greatest orator” of the 20th century Dimocratic party come next fall.
I would pay to watch the Obe Lincoln vs. The Newt debates.
Like Newt said, Obama is allowed the teleprompter (that’s got to hurt). Seems more than fair to me. Let’s drag those Styrofoam columns out, blow off the dust, sit Michelle Antoinette on the front row with some swordfish sliders in her lap, and get the show on the road.
May the smartest man win.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 1:14 pm
The real punchline here is that neither woman would give you or Tex the time of day.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Rutherford,
Do you have any idea what cap and trade would mandate? Now you talk about a government boondoggle – can you imagine the lies and distortions that could be propagated with that garbage? Some flunky standing with a clipboard and visor that can’t add? That’s like asking Uncle Sam to be your financial broker. We are talking billions of dollars each year in potential government fraud based on distortions and false promises.
Or maybe you just want to live without heat and air conditioners period? Do you have any idea what our job killing EPA has mandated in the way of air conditioners? I hope you don’t need freon anytime soon.
We need you to grab a good taste of one of those Chicago winters to give you a wake up call about the need for cheap energy. Talk to me next April.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Probably, but I wouldn’t let Serena serve my balls either for a million bucks. As for the time of day, I understand Serena is nocturnal.
Probably one of the most disdained athletes in all of sports. Got a little bit of the Shelly Antoinette ‘tude in her too – a real two bagger.
One over her head, and one over yours.
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poolman | December 1, 2011 at 1:36 pm
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Without claiming any deep foreign policy insight that I don’t possess, yes I can imagine what a clusterf*ck could occur if Egypt goes the radical Islam route.
My question still stands. Is democracy for everyone? Unless you believe the election corrupt, they have chosen their parliament. If a large vote went to a faction that opposes women voting, that makes me wonder how many women voted in this election?
It’s a nasty conundrum G. Was Iraq not more internally stable under Hussein than it is now? How long will it take Libya to regain the internal stability that it had under Gadaffi? Egypt as you are noting, is in peril without Mubarek.
Sadly, while Assad badly needs an ass-whooping and should go, what is Syria’s future without him? The bloodshed may or may not end. What else?
These are complicated times … would you not agree?
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PFesser | December 1, 2011 at 1:48 pm
“The real punchline here is that neither woman would give you or Tex the time of day.
”
How true. Sad, isn’t it? One of my old buddies is a commercial pilot who still flies his own plane at age 84. He told me his childhood friend had commented the other day, “You know, Jack, it’s kind of sad to realize that we have gotten to the age that a young girl wouldn’t even consider going to bed with us unless we paid her.”
I was kind of hoping you and I could double-team Serena and you would be my “in.” Interested?
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Hey Tex, if you want to talk Roman columns (or are they Greek) and making the waters stop rising you need to take a closer look at your boy Gingrich who now claims he helped end communist USSR. Poor Ronny is spinning in his grave.
Your boy Newt is a walking time bomb.
Oh … apparently according to Fox News, Romney complained about a recent interview by Bret Baier as being too aggressive. Now when a GOP candidate can’t get a break on Fox, you know you’re in deep doo doo.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/01/mitt-romney-fox-news-bret-baier_n_1122801.html
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an800lbgorilla | December 1, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Iraq is better today than it was under Saddam. Libya, I don’t know because no one stills knows who these oppositionists are. We’re getting clues, like al-Qaida flags flying in Tripoli, but it still isn’t clear. As for Egypt, I predicted this a while ago.
I’ve articulated my views on democracy before. It is very expensive and requires a very large institutional infrastructure to be functional. The failings of the Administration came in their failure to address the situations. They should have been very proactive in helping to engineer the change in Egypt and Tunisia. They failed and now there are radical fundamentalist Islamist groups taking control.
This is not going to go well for US interests or for regional stability.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 2:11 pm
G, I read the opinion piece by George Will. I actually tend to like Will as I think he aspires to intellectual rigor even if he doesn’t always achieve it.
I get what he is saying. Why put anyone (white or black) in an academic environment where they will not thrive, simply because you’re using the wrong yardstick for admission. Additionally, there is an inherent racist assumption that a black person will provide some unique insight in the make-up of a student body. I made no “black contribution” whatsoever to Harvard back in the day.
So, I’m left agreeing with Will except for one sticky problem. Has our society advanced enough socially that we can safely say that qualified blacks will gain admission as fairly as qualified whites? I have trouble believing that. So how do we deal with that? Or do we just say sh*t happens, sorry your admissions officer was a racist the day your application hit the table?
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 2:14 pm
I should have clarified …. neither woman would give you, Tex and most certainly me, the time of day.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Aren’t you leaving out the social component? I left Afghanistan out of my prior comment. Do you feel democracy, no matter how great the investment, can be layered on top of a tribal society like Afghanistan?
Can it be layered on top of a society that for decades has not been thinking for themselves …. just following a strong leader as might be the case in Egypt or Libya?
As for Iraq, I can only go on reporting I’ve seen from NBC’s Richard Engel who says the Iraqi government is corrupt as all get-out. What is the basis for your claim that Iraq is more stable internally now than under Saddam? Is it not true that Iranian influence in Iraq is a much greater threat now than it was under Saddam?
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El Tigre | December 1, 2011 at 2:20 pm
“I like politicians who are polite, intelligent and articulate and Huntsman seems to be all three. Sorry to break it to you but he’s forgotten more about China then you will ever know.”
WTF?? Just what the WT-Fuck? Like hell you do. You like liberals, especially ones that are rude, abrasive, arrogant and scream and yell — like Weiner, Franks etc., etc. And what the fuck did I say to refute your dumb knowledge of China comment?
R, you have no point. I told you why there’s a lack of interest. It’s consistent with anyone I’ve talked to that knows nothing about the guy — and worse than all combined on that front. You don’t know shit about the guy other than what you were told on MSNBC (and then probably looked at after Googling to have something more to say about the guy). God, you are complete MSNBC rube.
So I say he’s run a bad campaign which has placed him “under the radar.” Are you telling me your Mr. Wonderful has a run good campaign? If so, take your head out of your ass.
He has an unremarkable media presence, an unremarkable political presence, and unremarkable following. Correct me where I or anyone else is wrong in that assessment before you start drawing your dumb conclusions about the lack of interest in the guy signaling something about the shallowness of the republican party. Is that so hard to understand?
And geee. . . Huntsman really jacked it out of the park in those debates too, didn’t he?
The media should’ve fawned all over him. 
Oh, they just didn’t;t give him enough time and everyone else is supposed to compensate for that or it’s proof of their refusal to accept him for his greatness because of their stupidity. . . like you have! 
And big fucking shock R — I want someone who can beat Obama. Another term of this guy will destroy our country. You’ll vote for the guy because you were such a fool in supporting him to begin with and need the validation. We all know it. There’s no point in denying.
Don’t lecture me about the virtues of how I intend to select a candidate to defeat the Bozo that got into office using the very tactics you are feigning outrage over now. Look at what you put in office and will do again if you can.
R do you realize how strange you are coming off with this Huntsman business when you are a liberal Obama supporter? As I said in my first comment, your supposed ineterst in Hunstman whom you know almost nothing about speak so highly of while your man is in office says more about you and your party than it does the Republicans.
If you weren’t’ as ignorant as you falsely accuse me of being, that would’ve been the focus of your post. Instead, this b.s. has all the intellectual honesty of the Palin rants you tirelessly tried to justify.
“As for Rachel Maddow, if you can tell me that you’re objectively viewing her appearance without regard for her orientation then I’ll take your opinion seriously”
Yeah. Like I have something against hot lesbians.
R, it’s your orientation I question.
Oh and sorry. I don’t remember saying you wanted to bone Michelle Onion Booty. You are such a man of honor when it comes to women — well at least when they are liberal. I do recall some shit about rapes and Tea Partiers so I thought you might have a sense of humor about it. But if all you want to do is kiss her, I think you should decide about your own orientation because Maddow is a man. . .man. Yuck.
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an800lbgorilla | December 1, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Because the corruption in Iraq prior to the departure of Saddam was far worse.
Tribal structure is actually pretty democratic, but political democracy that incorporates non-familial/racial/ethnic/social class is very, very different.
By the by, did you see this?
“ (Rasmussen) — Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has surged to the largest national lead held by any candidate so far in the race for the Republican Presidential Nomination.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Republican Primary Voters finds Gingrich on top with 38% of the vote. Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney is a distant second at 17%. No other candidate reaches double-digits.”
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Rutherford, I still think it funny you find Serena Williams not giving me the time of day as some kind of killer dig. Damn, how can I make it any clearer I’d soon lift a horse’s tail and stare straight ahead than even get a whiff of Serena Williams’ face, much less anything else?
Medusa, man. It makes me shudder.
—-
Now about your charges of Newt this and Gingrich that. Look old friend, this probably will come as new news to you, but you’re not terribly perceptive most of the time. Most weasels aren’t.
Case in point – OWS.
It took you a month to realize who it was that was sitting down there at the Occupy curb. Better yet, if we didn’t have the internet, you would still be clamoring about OWS patriotism and their legitimacy. When it finally became so transparent that the earth had belched these folks up, and you managed to forget Brack said he lent his support (LOL) to the cause, then you quietly putted the fork tongue back in mouth.
So that we never forget, because it will get worse, this is the best description I’ve heard yet of who exactly OWS really is. And besides the Poolman which is self-explanatory, apparently you were the only one on this board who didn’t understand this immediately. Well worth the listen, because this explains the makeup of 95% of the Progressive Dimocratic party, minus your masters who feed you from the crumbs of your MSNBC roundtable.
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poolman | December 1, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Rutherford,
Huntsman isn’t “macho” enough for the GOP. He’s too pretty. They want a cowboy, in the likes of Bush, or better yet – the Gipper. They don’t like those who talk above them, a major criticism they’ve had of our current POTUS. They don’t learn from our collective mistakes, preferring rather to assign blame. They think a rear view mirror is only there from which to hang symbols of conquest.
I think Huntsman is intelligent and articulate. He comes off a little too arrogant when I have paid attention. It does come with the territory, I know, but it is very unappealing to me. I don’t like all his ideas, either, so it isn’t just personal.
But it’s true. He is unelectable. That has already been decided.
All the banks have their money on Romney. Newt is just there to add a little meat to the platform. After all, this is a campaign and the script calls for energizing the base. Newt provides an aura of intelligence with a strong anti Obama rallying cry. This helps unite them all against a common “foe”. Gingrich couldn’t win the position with all his baggage.
Follow the money. The bets have already been placed.
I know we treat these similar to beauty contests. An they really aren’t much more than that. I think that is why many don’t want to support Ron Paul. The choice isn’t made on substance. It is more on likability and image. Really, we’re electing a mascot. We are a proud albeit ignorant electorate, and with very short attention spans.
I don’t put my faith in people, especially those who can’t admit their own faults. Many of the criticisms made of Obama could easily be said of Mitt, if he’s given the same opportunity.
Repent people. This path of destruction has been traveled so often during the past century that it truly has become a paved interstate. Peddle to the metal, America… we’re on that highway to hell.
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El Tigre | December 1, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Here’s what was known about Huntsman on June 16, 2011, how abotu Bachman, Cain, Romney, Newt, Sanotrum, Paul???
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=1013&sid=15990373
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Tex let me see if I understand this. Your defense of Newt is an attack on OWS? Makes sense actually. If Newt is the topic, change the topic.
Didn’t Newt’s own party push him to the curb back in the day?
Oh as for Rasmussen (G), let’s see. Gingrich now occupies that lofty place once held by Trump, Bachmann, Perry and Cain. Oh yeah it is clear the GOP electorate knows what it wants. Well they know what they don’t want … Romney.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 2:44 pm
DAMN that was good!
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Tigre, from one of the articles on the KSL page you posted:
“Although Huntsman is taking the high road to the White House, many believe the former governor is too soft, that his civil campaign will not resonate with the American people.”
My point exactly. Everyone wants “professional wrestling” instead of a campaign of ideas and solutions.
I don’t know why you’re WTF’ing about my China comment. You basically said Huntsman is no more qualified on foreign policy than you would be if you learned Mandarin and spent a couple of years in China. I say you’re wrong.
Huntsman has the resume and demeanor. Paul has the true “change America” ideas. Neither one stands a chance. If you don’t think that is a litmus test on America, I don’t know what to tell you.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Damn your ego must be large today. That was an attack on you. I just used your month long support of OWS to show your judgment about most things is….is….is….
Slow and questionable. And that is being more than charitable.
* And to of course get in a cheap shot at lefties like Drano there.
I don’t need to defend Gingrich. All I’m asking for is for you to place the world’s greatest orator up for debate and Obama to receive his
beat downchance to yet again prove himself as the world’s greatest everything – one against demonstrating your judgment is….is…..is….Slow and questionable.
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El Tigre | December 1, 2011 at 3:12 pm
“You basically said Huntsman is no more qualified on foreign policy than you would be if you learned Mandarin and spent a couple of years in China. I say you’re wrong.”
R, you ignorant slut. That’s not what you said:.
“Sorry to break it to you but he’s forgotten more about China then you will ever know.”
First, how do you know?
Second, so fucking what?
Third, you’ll be shocked to know that there are other countries and regions that might have nothing to do with his knowledge of China.
Fourth, spout MSNBC talking points much?
Fifth, Newt seems to have considerable knowledge about foreign affairs and wasn’t an ambassador to China.
Sixth, why does credential mean so much to you when you can’t tell us anything about how obtained the ambassadorship and how he performed.
Seventh, I bet I know more about Sweden than he does. Does that qualify me as a foreign affairs expert?
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El Tigre | December 1, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Oh R. I’ll take Huntsman over Obama. You?
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thorsaurus | December 1, 2011 at 3:53 pm
“God bless the British, because they’ve been incredibly patient with an Administration that constantly insults and bumbles its way through foreign policy.”
Fuck the English. The only nation to ever invade us twice. Half the problems we face in foreign policy today can probably be traced back to some arrogant, cross-toothed, football hooligan/cartographer. Look at that list of eventual Presidents they “tutored”. At least three of the worse POTUS-s we’ve ever had.
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poolman | December 1, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Newt’s
tailtalesnailtrail of hypocrisy…84.
thorsaurus | December 1, 2011 at 4:50 pm
R, I believe I have found the source of your interest in the former Utah Gov. Hoping for a sleepover invite at the Huntsman hacienda?
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 5:02 pm
I don’t know why but that cracked me up.
First, how do you know?
Lucky guess.
Second, so fucking what?
Further proof of my lucky guess.
Third, you’ll be shocked to know that there are other countries and regions that might have nothing to do with his knowledge of China.
I think we’d be shocked at how ignorant most candidates are on foreign affairs. So yes, even if his knowledge is limited to China that’s a great head start. I must even tip my cap to Bachmann who at least has some exposure. AND China ain’t Lichtenstein. If you’ve gotta be familiar with a country, China’s not a bad one.
Fourth, spout MSNBC talking points much?
MSNBC which you don’t watch, and I do, says precious little about Huntsman except on “Morning Joe”.
Fifth, Newt seems to have considerable knowledge about foreign affairs and wasn’t an ambassador to China.
Newt is a belligerent Islamophobe. Fortunately, he is also frighteningly inconsistent so once in office he might do a 180 on many things. He’s turning out to be a mean version of Romney.
Sixth, why does credential mean so much to you when you can’t tell us anything about how obtained the ambassadorship and how he performed.
I’m guessing here but there was probably rumbling about Huntsman as a possible GOP contender and Obama figured an ambassadorship might put him out of harm’s way. Besides, he had already been an ambassador (Singapore) so he already had some experience. From my limited research he appears to have been an average Ambassador. I never claimed he was extraordinary at the job, only that the job rounded out his resume in a positive way.
Seventh, I bet I know more about Sweden than he does. Does that qualify me as a foreign affairs expert?
No, but since you successfully counted up to seven, it makes you more qualified for President than Rick Perry. :-p
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Damn! I thought there was a smiley for sticking one’s tongue out. Guess not.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 5:11 pm
I’d have to think about it. I’d be very interested to see the two of them in a debate.
But sadly, the person I am thinking of giving the official Rutherford Lawson Endorsement to has ZERO chance of getting nominated.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Great Ron Paul ad Poolman!
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 5:20 pm
Thor, I’ll go you one better!
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 5:21 pm
I must admit though …. these “ads” are no way to get a nomination.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Fuck the English?
I’d rate “England” as our second best friend. Like the Aussies too. Even Canada has taken an uptick since they started herding the Libs to Montreal.
Skull Fucque the French. Now that is more like it.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Huntsman’s girls are cute…
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El Tigre | December 1, 2011 at 5:26 pm
“Newt is a belligerent Islamophobe.”
That’s because he’s knowledgeable about foreign affairs.
(calm down Huck, it is a joke).
Huntsman is a pussy.
R, you’re a good sport. Don’t sweat it, Mitt will be the one. And since I think he fits your criteria for Republicans, i.e. “polite, intelligent and articulate,” then I expect that you’ll vote for him. Obama is mean-spirited, half the intellect he thinks he is, and incapable of forming a sentence without a teleprompter. So. . . you’ll be voting for Obama?
You’re right. I don’t really watch MSNBC — at least in the evenings. I do watch Morning Joe so I know what you’ll be saying later in the day.
As for the evening, I prefer “polite, intelligent and articulate.” They don’t reside on MSNBC. All are dumb, snarky, jackasses.
But how about Cain’s hat?
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El Tigre | December 1, 2011 at 5:28 pm
“Look at that list of eventual Presidents they “tutored”. At least three of the worse POTUS-s we’ve ever had.”
Carter, Clinton and Obama were tutored by the British?
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Here’s some cool news on the medical front. This is a big deal that hasn’t gotten the publicity it deserves. Saw something on ABC the other night I think. And you’ll note the absence once again of “embryonic” in the fix.
http://www.dicardiology.com/article/scipio-trial-shows-cardiac-stem-cell-benefits-heart-failure-patients
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 5:31 pm
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PFesser | December 1, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Tex -
re: medicine. I maintain that medicine is now where physics was c. 1910 – all the big, fundamental discoveries are coming in these times.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 5:38 pm
Once again, I almost choked reading a R.L. response. You talk about blowing smoke rings out the arse…I’ll bet you were bent over when you typed that.
You wouldn’t pull the lever for Jon Huntsman if Obama groped your wife. Would you knock that crap off before I come up there to kick in you in the shorts. Your cane will be leaving tread marks on election day to hit that booth and pull that Dim lever.
How’s your stomach by the way Jon Jr.?
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Pfesser, could be right. Hope you’re right – especially the cancer article the other day.
I always wondered in Cell Biology why you couldn’t coax/trick heart tissue into undergoing mitosis – somehow trick the cell into moving out of GZero.
Obviously, somebody a lot smarter than I am has figured out how to do it.
This stem cell research is fascinating Pfesser – I can definitely see extending age in our lifetime.
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dead rabbit | December 1, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Well, I think Hucking may be right about culture in Islamic societies.
The Afghan women serving 12 years for being raped will get an early release. And although we don’t know if she will be forced to marry her attacker, I am so warm and fuzzy about the humanitarian strides the Afghans have made.
I mean, wow. That is very impressive that the woman won’t have to pay her debt to society, despite the dishonor she has brought on her community.
And the community is showing such restraint over such an offense by only threatening to murder her.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 5:57 pm
I shouldn’t, but I have to.
I thought so much of some of the suggested charges of my Islamophobia here, I have repented and suggested some of the same great ideas to our clergy.
I’ll straighten these daughters of mine out yet. And if not, I’ll commence with the mercy killings – wife too.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 6:00 pm
It is absolutely incredible how fast my two daughters can respond with a text message. I’m not kidding – faster than I can type this sentence.
Daughter #1 told me she had finished her med school bio test. Took me about three minutes to type my grammatically correct response. Before I put the phone down, she responded with a three sentence plug in return.
How do these kids do that?
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thorsaurus | December 1, 2011 at 6:17 pm
“No, that would be LBJ, Carter & Clinton.
Obama was tutored by Rev. Jeremiah Wright.”
Now wait a second, I thought he spent his formative years in the madrasas of Kilimanjaro.
Clinton was a Rhodes scholar though. Maddow too. Oxford right?
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 6:28 pm
I’ve added fiber supplement to the diet and seen some improvement. Frequency still too often but quality of “output” much improved. Also still some digestive “awareness” or what most folks might classify as discomfort.
I’ll be happy if I can get this down to once or twice a day.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Rabbit, I think you’re referring to the convo between me and Gorilla, I know it’s hard for you to say I’m right about anything but I don’t sweat it.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 6:34 pm
Thor,
I learned a little something about the “prestigious” Rhodes Scholar award. Smoke…mirrors…politics…connections…and a little endowment doesn’t hurt either.
My daughter was asked by her university to apply. We looked into the process. It’s basically a political ploy – I’m not saying you don’t have to be intelligent to be awarded. But the best and the brightest? Pffftt…Woody and Mia’s son just won. Have you seen him?
Tell me? Here are the “criteria.”
Literary and scholastic attainments;
Energy to use one’s talents to the fullest, as exemplified by fondness for and success in sports;
Truth, courage, devotion to duty, sympathy for and protection of the weak, kindliness, unselfishness and fellowship;
Moral force of character and instincts to lead, and to take an interest in one’s fellow beings.
What exactly did Slick the Serial Rapist and Chaz the Barbarian accomplish on the athletic field? Twister? And how in the hell would you know if a college graduate was energetic, truthful, devotional, and kind from an interview? Moral character?
You think Slick and Lezzie epitomize morality, or take a big interest in other fellow’s beings?
What a crock of shit.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Even though some of the supporting videos are not that great, this is a great article on sounds our kids have no understanding of.
I actually miss some of these sounds, like the rotary dial and the manual typewriter sounds.
http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/106713
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 6:37 pm
In all seriousness Rutherford…
Glad to hear you are feeling better. I’ve been thinking about you, even when trying to stomp your heart out.
Have you been able to discern any foods that appear to cause trouble? One problem I always had with a fiber diet – that alone made me feel bloated – excuse me, aware.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Thor I think I heard somewhere that Maddow was the first openly lesbian Rhodes scholar.
I do find her very smart indeed.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 6:40 pm
But now Thor you have piqued my curiosity. Which three Presidents were you referring to?
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 6:40 pm
I got a ‘C’ in typing in the 8th grade. The girl beside me taught piano – and blazed. The faster she went, the worse I got. Completely intimidating. I might as well have been on the basketball court with Michael Jordon playing one on one.
My mother won some trophy for “fastest typer.” I don’t remember the name of the award, but I remember the speed – how about 108 WPM?
It would take me about ten minutes.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 6:49 pm
What piffle. Clinton’s record stands on its own. No arguing with you there. But Maddow? As far as I know she is in a long term committed relationship and has shown zero evidence of the kind of immorality demonstrated by Clinton.
I really need to get in contact with Norman Lear to find out if he modeled Archie Bunker after you. Heart of gold, loves God, country, friends and family, and has the most tunnel-visioned approach to diverse peoples ever known to man.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 6:56 pm
I’ve tentatively identified cheese as troublesome but I’m not 100% sure. I take Citrucel, the claim to fame of which is that it doesn’t produce gas. Who knows?
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thorsaurus | December 1, 2011 at 6:57 pm
“The Afghan women serving 12 years for being raped will get an early release. And although we don’t know if she will be forced to marry her attacker, I am so warm and fuzzy about the humanitarian strides the Afghans have made.” DR
I know I’m not the brightest guy in the world (that was for you E.T.) but there are few things that truly, wholheartedly baffle me. This is one. I mean, these guys all have mothers. Most of them have wives, daughters, granddaughters. They must not even see them as human beings. Sub-human, beasts of burden. How can any man’s heart be so void of love? Truly baffling.
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Look. Let me once again reiterate why I don’t find Chaz “highly intelligent.” While the BP fiasco was going down, I just happened to tune into your beloved MSNBC, and listened to Chaz superficial puff and snark. She had her typical shit eatin’ grin on her face and the ho ho ho, got completely deadpanned for a moment, and said (paraphrased).
“Now, can you imagine us drilling in the Arctic? Do you understand the difficulties and why the science should now be settled?”
I sat there for a moment trying to take in vast intellectual capacity of the Lesbian Rhodes Scholar.
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So let me get this straight Rachel? Trying to repair a blow out in mile deep water is basically equivalent to working on a wellhead in the freezing cold?
Dumb ass doesn’t do justice.
All I wanted to do at that moment was grab Chaz, put a hook through her mouth, and lower her to about 5,000 feet in the Gulf. Then I’d reel her up and see what she looked like.
The word mashed gash doesn’t do justice.
And you guys want me to believe Rachel is “highly, highly” intelligent?
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Have you seen this commercial where Rhodes Chaz berating the American public for not thinking big while standing in front of a dam?
I scream at the TV, “Your damn dozen ecoNazi ilk that watches at the altar of your sorry program wouldn’t let you build a dam if you tried and had the money, you dumb ….”
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 7:14 pm
It’s called deceived and evil Thor. Deep down, I think you do understand.
Women are fodder in the Islamic World, I don’t give a damn what any appeaser says about moral equivalency or how tidy the news spin.
How anybody can look at their own mother and not have an innate love though, is beyond me. I actually do consider that supernatural hatred.
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thorsaurus | December 1, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Thor I think I heard somewhere that Maddow was the first openly lesbian Rhodes scholar.
I do find her very smart indeed. – R
I don’t know if she openly declared it, but I’m sure they figured it out when she went out for linebacker … er … I mean midfielder.
I do find her very bright. I don’t really care for her over-explanation of issues sometimes, well, quite often actually. But that’s probably just for the benefit of Fox viewers that accidentally thumb her channel while scratching their ass or kicking the dog.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 7:27 pm
It’s a matter of degrees Thor. For most of this country’s history women could not vote.
What brings enlightenment to a country and what stifles it? Women fought for the right to vote in this country. Had they not, they might not be voting today. Fortunately our nation is sufficiently civilized that women’s demand to vote was not met with gang rapes and imprisonment (at least I don’t think so … Poolman, Poolman???)
In a country (Afghanistan) where at least half the people cannot read or write, primitive behavior should probably be expected, which is not to say it should be tolerated.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 7:31 pm
Well she doesn’t berate the American public. She tacitly berates Republicans. BUT you raise a very interesting point about the ecoNazi’s. They might very well put the kabosh on Rachel’s dam works.
LOL on your meat head comment. If I were just twenty years younger, our exchanges would indeed resemble Archie and Meathead. That made me chuckle.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 7:37 pm
You obviously never encountered Mrs. Wolowitz.
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thorsaurus | December 1, 2011 at 7:57 pm
But now Thor you have piqued my curiosity. Which three Presidents were you referring to?
James Buchanan, John Q Adams and, ET and the guys will kick my ass for this one but, John Adams. Don’t really know about Van Buren, Monroe added Florida. Without him there would have been no Miami Vice.
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thorsaurus | December 1, 2011 at 8:29 pm
“It’s a matter of degrees Thor. For most of this country’s history women could not vote.”- R
I knew that would come from someone, but I’m not buying it. Suffrage, to me, was a logical evolution in our democracy. Executing adultresses, splashing acid in little girl’s faces for reading books. Imprisoning rape VICTIMS. Fahrenheit ain’t got enough degrees for stone age shit like that.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Now Thor let’s not forget that JQ Adams fought to abolish slavery when he was eight years old (world according to Bachmann).
As for Maddow, yes she can be a tad didactic.
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Rutherford | December 1, 2011 at 8:36 pm
LOL … well when you put it like that, I have to agree.
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poolman | December 1, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Rutherford,
Are you asking me if we have treated our women bad? Like there might be some “conspiracy” of abuse?
Well pockets in our societies do. Since they are the weaker of the species physically, it has just fallen to that over all of history. During the first century women were not counted as persons (noted in the Gospels) and mainly considered property. It has been a man’s world for much of civilization.
During times of war and conquest, rape has always been employed. Even in peacetime, if a man raped any girl, he would either get to marry her or pay her family off. It was always considered her fault, much the way some Muslim societies do. Kind of, “the devil made me do it” scapegoating. Obviously the men couldn’t help themselves and can’t be expected to. That’s why the major coverings of flesh and hair – too tempting.
But today, it isn’t isolated to Muslim communities. The sexual abuse that occurs in families throughout this nation is way up. This is a sin that passes from each generation to the next, until an intervention can break the cycle.
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thorsaurus | December 1, 2011 at 8:46 pm
“Now, can you imagine us drilling in the Arctic? Do you understand the difficulties and why the science should now be settled?”
I sat there for a moment trying to take in vast intellectual capacity of the Lesbian Rhodes Scholar. – Tex
Well, hopefully she was making some mention that BP was also running the North Slope production and were responsible for the leaky pipeline. If not then I don’t get it either.
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Raji | December 1, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Rutherford,
I “get” the point of your post. Huntsman would have been a good choice for the liberal vote. The liberals are looking for an alternative to Obama. Many I have talked to indicate they either won’t vote or will do a write in. I don’t think Newt will go over as an alternative. Maybe Mitt?
My opinion is that in the election of 2012 many liberals and conservatives will vote for the MAN not the party. It is going to be up to the GOP to pick the right man for the job if they want to win the vote.
The Obama Drama is over but only if the GOP does it’s job!
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Tex Taylor | December 1, 2011 at 9:46 pm
You mean ARCO?
Ask the people of the North Slope if they are ready to “shut down” the leaky pipeline. After they beat you to death, you’ll find the locals are not fans of a corrupted EPA – including numerous fines for not being “proactive enough” when not a drop of oil spilled. I think it fair to say, after 40 years, the pros of domestic product have far outweighed the cons of some occasional polluted groundwater.
Rachel Maddow was simply demonstrating, her adoring fans equally as clueless, that she doesn’t understand even the basics of science, including physics and chemistry.
Hopefully, you’re not in that camp.
And I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt because your answer to our resident blog moral relativist, who equates the inability to vote in an election to an acid bath or beheading for being raped, was excellent.
Other than your nonsense about the Tea Party because you’ve been getting your information from too much dinosaur media as the Tea Party actually was a real grassroots movement, the sympathies with deviancy of OWS which you have apparently quit, and the inexplicable lunacy lending your support to the worst President in history of the Republic at your blog, you seem to be reasonably sincere Thor.
Preliminary assessment, but you appear to be somebody I can deal with from the opposite side – not some mindless hack that we’ve grown accustomed to here from the Left.
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dead rabbit | December 1, 2011 at 10:13 pm
A forum on CNBC were all agreeing that if Obama gets thrown out on his ass, the price of natural gas is going to tank.
America, the Saudi Arabia of natty gas, is handcuffed to such a degree that the supply will go way up if Obama goes bye bye.
Amazing. Ridiculous. Sad.
Can someone from the left try to explain to the dear ol’ Rabbit why you guys hate the potential of natural gas? From what I understand we are fucking flush with it. Why not drink from the chalice?
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huckingfypocrites | December 1, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Re: the Muslim Brotherhood’s political party.
I am about 1/4 of the way through this 25-min. interview, but finding it pretty interesting.
Take it for what you will.
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dead rabbit | December 1, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Considering the MB has no military power, I suppose they are saying exactly what you would think they would say.
If they consolidate power and get the control of the military I have a bad feeling their tune will change.
I hope I’m wrong.
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 1, 2011 at 11:41 pm
But now Thor you have piqued my curiosity. Which three Presidents were you referring to?
James Buchanan, John Q Adams and, ET and the guys will kick my ass for this one but, John Adams.
JQA wasn’t the best President, agreed. I do wish he’d done a better job of dealing with Andy Jackson’s whining for four long years about a “corrupt bargain”.
That said, I am fascinated by his post-Presidential career in the House of Representatives…and his moving argument in The Amistad case.
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dead rabbit | December 2, 2011 at 12:03 am
I bet you wouldn’t call President Jackson “Andy” to his face.
Politics aside, its hard to believe today’s Democrats were once led by such a bad ass.
Talk about attack of the fem-bots. I can spot a liberal white male from a mile away. What’s up with that? Weak hand shakes. Lisps. No wonder the working class can’t identify with this party of quasi-intellectuals.
I’ve even noticed union leadership is getting more fruity of late.
I forgot. The Dems got…cough…tough guy Biden.
Not to ramble, but isn’t funny when Biden plays the blue collar card?
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 12:05 am
I’m ashamed to say this, but I need to retake Brother Rabbit and Rutherford’s history class. My Presidential knowledge of the 1800s besides Lincoln is long forgotten.
For some reason American history, which I had to take 1865-present freshman year in college, just bored the hell out of me then. I was far more interested in world history, pre-Americana.
I have yet to read the Federal papers as planned and recently read through all of the Amendments for the first time.
Pitiful. What a slacker.
I think I would find American history incredibly interesting now.
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 12:06 am
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 2, 2011 at 12:10 am
DR, I wouldn’t.
I might call him a whiner, though.
“Corrupt Bargain, Corrupt Bargain. That rotten stinking Henry Clay and John Quincy Adams CONSPIRED to steal that election from me (that I didn’t win)!!!!”
He started the long-standing Democratic Custom of pissing and whining after losing any election they couldn’t get enough dead people to vote in.
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dead rabbit | December 2, 2011 at 12:14 am
“Rabbit, I think you’re referring to the convo between me and Gorilla, I know it’ s hard for you to say I’m right about anything but I don’t sweat it”.-R
Rutherford, I’m with you on that one. Those savages aren’t even in the same universe as democracy. Its a lost cause.
I learned my lesson after the elections in Gaza. Even if they do have the sophistication to pull off a legit election, the results usually suck.
Its a clash of civilizations. We can dance around it. Hell, what other choice do we have? But, it is what it is.
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dead rabbit | December 2, 2011 at 12:21 am
Tex, I’m don’t consider myself much of an American historian, having never taught the class or for that matter even taken many courses.
My problem is two fold. I read every night. 4 pages and I’m snoring.
Secondly, I’m interested in too many things. I’m like the Rabbit in between two piles of carrots. I keep turning my head back and forth until I starve.
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 2, 2011 at 12:22 am
Hell, what other choice do we have?
Give them the Stone Age they’re so eager to live in?
Seriously, if they’re so fond of brute force, give their “culture” the prision shower treatment, and make it clear it will be marathon next time if we have to come back.
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 2, 2011 at 12:34 am
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dead rabbit | December 2, 2011 at 12:35 am
I suppose.
Its too bad we can’t meet their men on the battle field, phalanx vs phalanx.
We could enlist the Big Ten offensive linemen armed with pikes, and have Texas and Oklahoma cowboys as our Calvary. Fill in the rest with Marines.
We’d fuck those stink beards up. Can you imagine how much beard hair would be on the end of our pikes?
It sucks women and children have to die so much in modern warfare, no matter how careful we are.
Makes the stone age solution tough to pull the trigger on.
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Rutherford | December 2, 2011 at 1:41 am
Gotta get to bed early tonight for a morning appt but I did want to leave one parting message for the evening.
Some of you guys are gonna get pissed at me because it took a Jon Stewart segment to get my dumb ass to understand what is going on. NOW I get why Rabbit and Tex are sh*tting bricks. I plan to write a blog post about it in the next day or so.
The Fed gave 7.7 trillion of our money to banks at near-zero interest for them to buy treasury notes yielding 3% interest. Stewart called them “the dumbest loan sharks on the planet” or something to that effect. BTW his segment was titled something along the lines of “Why the f*ck did Martha Stewart go to jail?”
Congress wasn’t told sh*t. I don’t know enough to speak authoritatively but it seems to me Bernanke should be out on his ass.
OK, proceed to give me my whupping for being asleep at the wheel. At least some good comes from my watching The Daily Show.
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poolman | December 2, 2011 at 1:45 am
Sometimes modern research just gives you that ear to ear grin.
Hallucinogens and other street drugs are increasingly being studied for legitimate therapeutic uses, such as helping patients deal with post-traumatic stress disorder, addiction, chronic pain, depression and even terminal illness.
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 1:51 am
James Taranto is a funny, clever man. He links to this article tonight about Michelle Antoinette joining the ticket at the Obama raffle.
http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/11/30/michelle-added-obama-dinner-raffle/
And calls 2nd Prize to the Raffle 4 Obamas…
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 1:56 am
If what it takes is you watching Jon Stewart to get to the truth, and there’s a real danger in getting the truth from Jon Stewart because of the clear and blatant bias, then so be it.
Pretty scary when a man has that kind of authority. Apparently, the FED has very few checks and balances and little transparency.
That’s a disaster in waiting.
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poolman | December 2, 2011 at 2:03 am
Dang. New studies reflect our recent RL think tank theories.
A new study suggests that legalizing medical marijuana reduces traffic fatalities. The authors noted that legalizing marijuana reduces alcohol consumption, and people are more wary of driving high than drunk.
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poolman | December 2, 2011 at 2:33 am
Every year we pass a National Defense Authorization Act. Each year, it has something hidden in it, secret tax breaks for big party contributors, pork barrel projects but this year we have gone too far.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/01/the-truth-about-the-national-defense-authorization-act/
Yeah, probably just paranoia or conspiracy.
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pfesser53 | December 2, 2011 at 4:52 am
“I know I’m not the brightest guy in the world (that was for you E.T.) but there are few things that truly, wholheartedly baffle me. This is one. I mean, these guys all have mothers. Most of them have wives, daughters, granddaughters. They must not even see them as human beings. Sub-human, beasts of burden. How can any man’s heart be so void of love? Truly baffling.”
No mystery – it’s the same brutality that always accompanies zealotry. Once someone believes with all his heart that he has THE answer, it’s but a millisecond’s leap to the idea that he is justified in forcing others to conform to those beliefs. At that point the little guy that sits on his shoulder and says, “Are you sure about what you are doing?” goes away. History has demonstrated time and time again the universal truth – the real zealot has no conscience.
No woman should live in a country where all the men wear full beards. I am working on a beard-seeking missile; no luck yet.
My wife says that if the women over there ever get control over their own fertility it’s all over. They’ll simply stop producing those little AK-toting bastards.
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an800lbgorilla | December 2, 2011 at 7:14 am
Barack Obama Has, on Average, Attended a Fundraiser Every 5 Days in 2011
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El Tigre | December 2, 2011 at 9:25 am
“Have you seen this commercial where Rhodes Chaz berating the American public for not thinking big while standing in front of a dam?”
I had that exact same thought every time I saw that add.
The other one that made me roar was when Matthews would talk about criticism of Obama for not “being American.” With the Whit House in the background, he says something to the effect of ” and look where he is today” while thumbing towards the white house over his shoulder” Then Matthews says something to the effect of, “he couldn’t do that [become the leader] in China.”
Duh. No shit. He ain’t Chinese. But of course the point was he’s not “un-American” — so I guess if you’re not American you can become the President?
Don’t get me started on the dumb shit Ed Shultz’s ads.
Who the hell scripts these idiots? And why are they pitched like they’re running for office with a mission of some kind to change things in a liberal direction. Shouldn’t there at least be the pretense that it’s supposed to be a “news” organization?
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El Tigre | December 2, 2011 at 9:35 am
“I knew that would come from someone, but I’m not buying it. Suffrage, to me, was a logical evolution in our democracy. Executing adultresses, splashing acid in little girl’s faces for reading books. Imprisoning rape VICTIMS. Fahrenheit ain’t got enough degrees for stone age shit like that.”
Numbnutz, you might have redeemed yourself with that comment.
Well put and true.
I guess every now and again, even a blind squirrel finds a nut.
Congratulations. You sir have been upgraded from “retarded” to “mentally challenged.”
Baby steps. . . baby steps.
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El Tigre | December 2, 2011 at 9:45 am
“Barack Obama Has, on Average, Attended a Fundraiser Every 5 Days in 2011.”
How does he squeeze that in between his family’s vacations and rounds of golf?
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an800lbgorilla | December 2, 2011 at 9:57 am
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an800lbgorilla | December 2, 2011 at 10:01 am
Busy, busy, busy…
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El Tigre | December 2, 2011 at 11:10 am
G, I can’t make out what’s going in your video on my computer. I’m hopijng it’s not dirty movie staring Chaz Maddow (gross).
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El Tigre | December 2, 2011 at 11:11 am
“I “get” the point of your post. Huntsman would have been a good choice for the liberal vote.”
You’re too kind Raji. I don’t see that in what R wrote.
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an800lbgorilla | December 2, 2011 at 11:14 am
It is Brad Pitt talking a suicidal actor off the cliff. Apparently, this guy is depressed and expressed suicidal thoughts and Pitt offers some words of perspective and encouragement.
As much as I would like to not like Pitt, I must admit, I think he’s pretty stand-up and is a good actor to boot.
I hope that doesn’t make me gay…
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 11:24 am
I’ve got a neighbor who is a widower. Got three of every tool ever made and 86 years old – I’ve mooched stuff off him so many times, I’ve lost count. Still outworks me around the house, and took care of his sick wife many years while doing so. Cooks, cleans, the most amazing garden I’ve ever seen. Truly an amazing guy that few know about – no college degree, wouldn’t know a stock from a bond, but a millionaire because of his practicality. Can do and fix about everything growing up on a farm. And still has time to take care of his grand kids every afternoon while his granddaughter whisks their Downs kid for treatment. Wish he were my dad or granddad instead of what I had. I would have been much the better for it. In many ways, children are an end result of their environment.
I tell you all that because I was talking to Andy this morning on his way to the donut shop – he’s up at 6:30 like clockwork headed to the donut shop M-S to meet a few friends from there.
And I thought to myself, I’m too young to have friends to meet at the donut shop. Rutherford Lawson has become my donut shop.
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an800lbgorilla | December 2, 2011 at 11:37 am
This is mostly for Huck, but I think it is instructional for all.
For every comment of how FJP is not a religious party (cough… cough… bullshit… cough… cough…), there are 3 or 4 showing the exact opposite. If one was to rely on their “word”, they would then have to accept that MB and therefore FJP have vowed to sever realtions with Israel and support “resistance” (read: terrorism) against Israel.
I certainly hope that the second place finish in the elections wasn’t lost on anyone. It was, of course, a Salafi party and between the two of them, they WILL form the next government, which is an absolute failure for US foreign policy and a catastrophe for US interests in the region.
Great job Obama/Clinton, you’ve managed to do more damage to US interests in the Middle East than Jimmy Carter could have ever hoped for.
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 11:40 am
Here’s something of interest for you parents who haven’t put your kids through college yet. Food for thought, so you don’t get taken to the financial woodshed like I feel my wife and I are. I have practically begged my daughter to move to a public university. My wife told me to put a sock in it and I have grudgingly complied.
It’s time to quit treating college as a “life experience” and start treating it like an investment – IMO, the most accurate way to judge the worth of the college your children attend. And I’m glad to say that my eldest kid’s college ranks #2 on this list. She apparently chose wisely. And you’ll note an amazing stat (cough cough). The first 18 listed are all public – even with all the connections these Ivory Towers supposedly place your child upon graduation.
College grad salaries vs. cost of education:
http://www.smartmoney.com/borrow/student-loans/which-colleges-help-their-grads-get-top-salaries-1312402692380/
This year, my wife and I paid about a $1,000 a credit hour for my youngest to attend “Women’s Studies” and “The Excellent Student” at Tulsa University – continually ranked as one of the 100 best colleges in America in most rankings, based on high school credential and admittance tests. These classes are necessary to matriculate in her degree, probably headed to P.A. school at OU.
Now somebody tell me why a “Women’s Studies” class, man hating by another name, is necessary when 57% of college graduates are now female?
And a couple of you libs want to throw women’s suffrage up in my face as testimony of America’s misogyny? I give you the middle bird, followed by the red eye. Our boys are the ones getting the proverbial shaft – and it will end up killing this country one day. And I think I an say that with some authority and without bias, being I have nothing but girls.
The more I learn of private, liberal universities, the more I disdain them for ripping people off, their rank propaganda passing as education, and teaching this rot.
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 11:56 am
I see the unemployment rate is 8.6% Uh huh. And then I read the accompanying notes underneath:
Job creation remained weak in the U.S. during November, with just 120,000 new positions created, though the unemployment rate slid to 8.6 percent, a government report showed Friday.
The rate fell from the previous month’s 9.0 percent, a move which in part reflected a drop in those looking for jobs. The participation rate dropped to 64 percent, from 64.2 percent in October, representing 315,000 fewer job-seekers.
So things are looking up because more people are giving up and fell off the rolls? I swear, does anybody tell the truth anymore in this administration accompanied by the lackeys in the media?
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El Tigre | December 2, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Thanks for the Smart Money link, Tex.
I was pleased to see my alma mater on there, and the Georgia Schools that I’m certain my children will be looking at one day, especially No. 1 for my savant-like boy who has made it his mission to go to GA Tech since he was in first grade (although I fear MIT or Stanford might wind up superseding).
With GA’s HOPE scholarships, I might be in really good shape — unless Obama plunges us into the Lord of the Flies before my children make it to college. . .
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PFesser | December 2, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Tex -
Funny you should bring that up. My son just started at an expensive private college. As near as I can tell, the main major there is smoking dope.
He and I are going to have a talk over Xmas holiday. I just ran some numbers yesterday. Virginia has some of the best public universities in the country, and not expensive if you are in-state – especially VA Tech.
I started putting money away for his and his brother’s education when they were born – and they each have enough for four years of college with some left over. If my son stays at his current college, he will have practically nothing left at the end – even though I am helping him some. However if he transfers to VA Tech and invests the difference in an index fund making historical average, when he reaches fifty he will have over two million dollars – just in that account alone. Of course that will probably by a small car if inflation keeps going…bastards.
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PFesser | December 2, 2011 at 12:08 pm
buy a small car, not by
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El Tigre | December 2, 2011 at 12:10 pm
“a move which in part reflected a drop in those looking for jobs.”
Hope and Change = Despair and Attrition.
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El Tigre | December 2, 2011 at 12:12 pm
“However if he transfers to VA Tech and invests the difference in an index fund making historical average, when he reaches fifty he will have over two million dollars – just in that account alone.”
Not if Obama stays in office.
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Tigre and Pfesser,
If I were fortunate enough to live in a state like Georgia or Virginia, with some of the best public educational systems in America, I would certainly take advantage. OU and OSU are mid-tier public schools IMO – neither great nor bad.
I worked for 20+ years, interviewed many a college graduate for reasonably high paying entry level engineering jobs in a corporation, and there were a few schools, if judged by the quality of the applicant, that always stood out for me: Georgia Tech and Purdue. Not only were they almost always offered jobs, but after working with them, my experience was positive. I was impressed with the base of their knowledge and their preparedness.
And if you are to believe these ratings (which is somewhat suspect), I have read that the University of Virginia is the #1 public school in the nation.
I was most impressed with Texas A&M where my daughter attended for her undergraduate degree. They also do it right, and I was surprised it wasn’t on the list. It was only one of six schools last year to have been granted an A rating on ROI. I could see why.
You guys would be crazy not encourage your own children to attend these public schools at in-state rates.
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huckingfypocrites | December 2, 2011 at 1:10 pm
“Now somebody tell me why a “Women’s Studies” class, man hating by another name, is necessary when 57% of college graduates are now female?”
Your question might have been rhetorical. If not, then I will just say there is a good chance that was 1 of a few capstone course possibilities, and that was the one she selected. That is how it is at my school, anyway.
“For every comment of how FJP is not a religious party (cough… cough… bullshit… cough… cough…), there are 3 or 4 showing the exact opposite.”
Not as a gotcha challenge, but for my own personal interest….could you elaborate? I really know nothing about their “party.”
“I certainly hope that the second place finish in the elections wasn’t lost on anyone. It was, of course, a Salafi party”
Do we know that for sure, yet?
Frankly, I am not sure I trust the Egyptian military to run a legit election when they know it is going to result in their loss of power.
Re: all of the party’s “broken promises,” it gets asked and answered in the AJ interview. He basically said they went for more seats with the idea that they would not win all of their tries. Again…I am not making any claims, just saying what was said.
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PFesser | December 2, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Tex -
Yeah, my wife is a UVA grad; I’d love to see my son go there, but he pissed around in high school and wouldn’t get in. He could get in VA Tech, which I am going to encourage him to do.
Interestingly, my wife was at a Verizon store last week and happened to talk to a grad of the school where my son is going now. Even though his parents helped him a lot, he’s 38K in the hole for student loans and is working at Verizon for about $12/hr plus commissions.
An even bigger ripoff is the private tech schools like DeVry and some of the private art schools. They are being investigated by the Feds for outright fraud. These people are expert at getting kids that have low grades in HS and hooking them up with Federal loan programs. Another case of how the govt distorts the market when it gets involved.
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thorsaurus | December 2, 2011 at 1:23 pm
“You mean ARCO?” – tex
BP spilled about 13,500 gallons of oil near Prudhoe Bay in November 2009 when a section of the company’s pipeline at its Lisburne Processing Center ruptured, “creating a two-foot hole in the pipe that allowed the contents to spill onto the tundra and surrounding wetlands,” the U.S. said.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-12-01/bp-pipeline-rupture-may-force-it-to-pay-more-for-2006-spill.html
And they roasted Joan of Arc too. Fucking English.
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thorsaurus | December 2, 2011 at 1:35 pm
“That said, I am fascinated by his post-Presidential career in the House of Representatives…and his moving argument in The Amistad case.” –
Didn’t he have a heart attack or stroke out right on the House floor?
Holy shit Poolman, just think of the conspiracy theories. Poison quill, anthrax in the hard tack. Maybe after losing in 2012, Newt the Brilliant creates a time machine and goes back and does the deed himself with a Viagra pill. Now that’s a Newt book I might read … the back cover of anyway.
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an800lbgorilla | December 2, 2011 at 1:43 pm
“ Gorilla: “For every comment of how FJP is not a religious party (cough… cough… bullshit… cough… cough…), there are 3 or 4 showing the exact opposite.”
Huck: Not as a gotcha challenge, but for my own personal interest….could you elaborate? I really know nothing about their “party.”
Gorilla: “I certainly hope that the second place finish in the elections wasn’t lost on anyone. It was, of course, a Salafi party”
Huck: Do we know that for sure, yet?
Frankly, I am not sure I trust the Egyptian military to run a legit election when they know it is going to result in their loss of power.
Re: all of the party’s “broken promises,” it gets asked and answered in the AJ interview. He basically said they went for more seats with the idea that they would not win all of their tries. Again…I am not making any claims, just saying what was said.”
Huck, to your first question, read the entire article I originally posted as it provides some details. As for the second question, I think it is pretty clear that yes, they are Salafist and that it was very much at the expense of liberal groups.
Not to say ‘I told you so’, but I did. I predicted this very thing months ago. I said that this would be exploited by the MB and that they would make significant gains in controlling the government as a result. I also said that the liberal and youth groups hoping for a new era of freedom and prosperity would be expunged and kept out of the process.
1979 all over again. Liberal groups forced the issue and toppled the Shah, only to see their gains go in vain as Khomeini’s henchmen slaughtered liberal leaders and usurped the revolution. De ja vu.
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Rutherford | December 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Dag! When my wife told me about the new unemployment rate I knew it was too good to be true. Dumbass MSNBC reported it all rosy.
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Risk and reward Thor. And an easy one.
Let me ask you a question and I’ll let you make the choice.
Let’s say that I gave the people of Spokane, WA, which happened to be depressed and barren, an area of little opportunity and dying population, with a proposed opportunity for a multi billion investment in the community over a period of 40 years where large pools of domestic crude had been found, which would create long-term, high paying employment, new roads, schools and bridges.
But 40 miles up the pike, I would require to build a sludge pool of crude oil, about 300 barrels worth, that would leak into the tundra, even impacting the wildlife for a time and the company would pay for existing damages, if found. However, it had been our experience that the caribou wildlife population had increased by 400% during a previous endeavor, even though the resident EPA had forecast the caribou population’s demise.
So what would the community of Spokane, WA, choose to do?
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an800lbgorilla | December 2, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Wow R, you’re surprised that they would do that? How the hell else do you drop.4% with only 120,000 TEMPORARY jobs?
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poolman | December 2, 2011 at 1:59 pm
I suppose if we just read the MSM then life would be simple. But take a tour around the alternative news media sites and they are reporting on something that might just be a little more important to the average American than dogs’ balls: the new legislation in process that will enable the U.S. Government to declare a suspect U.S. Citizen a terrorist, who can then be taken to foreign prisons without a court process. The new signs of terror include those who have food storage for more than 7 days, missing fingers, or own guns and ammo!
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huckingfypocrites | December 2, 2011 at 2:02 pm
“As for the second question, I think it is pretty clear that yes, they are Salafist and that it was very much at the expense of liberal groups.”
I was questioning their election results, not their positions. I have heard a lot about how people think parties finished, but the official results are still out.
Of course, the MB/FJP has said things and gone back on them. But with that said, just yesterday they released a statement saying there is no pre-set alliance with that Salafist party, and that they are looking at the Democratic Alliance to ally with.
We’ll see….
“1979 all over again.”
That same sentiment entered my mind yesterday as I was reading an article that was talking about how the youth were largely kept out of the process they initiated.
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El Tigre | December 2, 2011 at 2:02 pm
“Dag! When my wife told me about the new unemployment rate I knew it was too good to be true. Dumbass MSNBC reported it all rosy.”
Okay. Someone used the metaphor before, but damn Charlie Brown. How many times are you going to rely on Lucy’s assurances when you run at the ball?
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huckingfypocrites | December 2, 2011 at 2:08 pm
“Huck, to your first question, read the entire article I originally posted as it provides some details.”
I have read the MSNBC piece 3 times now. Still not seeing it. Were you talking about a different article?
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 2:11 pm
1979 all over again is right, Gorilla. To me, it cannot be more obvious.
Only this time, not one isolated Iran. Dozens of satellite countries, operating under the banner of Dar Al Islam – nothing secular now. Huck and I can truly debate the merits of Islam, because it will be on stage for all the world to see its merits.
And in this case, let us hope that I have been wrong and Huck has been right.
Want my prediction? Sometime soon?
Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1) Damascus has been occupied for over 7,000 years.
Ironically, it is thought that Damascus and Jericho are the two oldest inhabited cities in the world of antiquity. And Damascus holds the distinction of being the only city that has been perpetually inhabited throughout recorded history.
One more thing:
How can anybody in their right mind refer to this as “Spring.” I would predict the chances far more likely that the whole of the middle east, even deposing of the secular tyrants, has just moved into “Winter” – possibly nuclear winter.
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an800lbgorilla | December 2, 2011 at 2:12 pm
I was talking about #37 from the NYTs, but it looks the same so maybe it was an AP piece. I saw something on al-Jazeera as well, though when I tried to watch your video, it wouldn’t work.
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Rutherford | December 2, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Dag, we have our Slick Willie and they have their Shady Harb.
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huckingfypocrites | December 2, 2011 at 2:24 pm
G, thanks for the effort. I will keep an eye open for such comments from them.
Sorry about the interview not working. While it was obvious the guy was a politician in the truest sense, I found it interesting as someone not very familiar with that party’s platform.
He sure knew how to stay on message, I will grant him that. But there was also the faint smell of bullshit that permeates the room any time any politician opens their mouth.
Tex, I am not really interested in debating the merits of Islam when it comes to politics. As I have said many times, I don’t want anyone’s god telling me what to do. At this point I am more interested in seeing if these “moderate Islamist” groups that are winning Middle East elections end up walking the “moderate” walk. Though I will stress that the gauge of “moderate” should be by the standards of the people there…not here.
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huckingfypocrites | December 2, 2011 at 2:27 pm
So I am running the history journal again at my school. 1 of my returning editors was a man last year and is a woman this year. I’m talking full-on sex change.
That 1st editors meeting is going to be…interesting….
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Rutherford | December 2, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Huck I was with you until that last sentence. Surely if they start calling the stoning of women in the square moderate, we should not buy that definition.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding you.
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Rutherford | December 2, 2011 at 2:36 pm
That should be interesting indeed. I truly believe it is a credit to America that we seek tolerance for folks, even those who do something as seemingly wacky as changing their physiology to match their psychology.
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Rutherford | December 2, 2011 at 2:40 pm
If I’m not mistaken JQ Adams did indeed die on the floor of the House. Died in the line of duty so to speak.
Speaking of conspiracy theories, I found it interesting how they determined (or so they said) that Zachary Taylor was not assassinated via poisoning. The wonders of postmortem forensics, even more than 100 years later!
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Rutherford | December 2, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Post-presidential lives are interesting. One of the most interesting is that of William Howard Taft who became Supreme Court Chief Justice after the Presidency. He wanted SCOTUS put before POTUS on his obit.
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huckingfypocrites | December 2, 2011 at 2:44 pm
“Maybe I’m misunderstanding you.”
No, we shouldn’t, and yes, you are.
We all have a basic idea of what is radical and what is moderate. Stoning people in the square is not moderation by anyone’s measure. I am talking about things like alcohol prohibition (purely an example), and the like. While I would find that somewhat “radical,” a “moderate” Muslim probably would not.
Likewise, a fine or even some jail time might be a “moderate” penalty for violating such a law, while torture and death would not.
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poolman | December 2, 2011 at 2:49 pm
You bet. Always setting things afire…
This embassy episode brings back memories of the 1979 taking of the US Embassy in Tehran, and even the Iranians are not all that clear as to exactly what is happening. Iran’s Parliamentary Speaker Ali Larijani said that this was in part the result “several decades of domination-seeking behavior of Britain.” And he is right, considering Britain invaded Iran during World War I, again during World War II, and yet again planned to invade in 1951 over Iran’s nationalization of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (aka. BP), but were stopped by then-US President Eisenhower, who feared a close encounter of the violent kind with the former USSR.
http://rt.com/news/us-war-iran-embassy-753/
This time the UK seems to be the spearhead ever since in early November they said they were drafting plans for military attack, supported by Israel. The US is staying a few steps behind knowing that when things get really hot – especially for “little nuclear Israel” – the buck always stops with the US Military.
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 4:02 pm
And I find that one of your shortcomings or perhaps better defined as mental block, perhaps unlearned or ignored, in not recognizing true Islam does not separate religion and obedience from politics.
Islam is an all encompassing mindset centered around obedience. Christianity is supposed to be centered around love (yes, I know I am a lousy example – I’m working on it). Jesus is personal; Allah is unknowable. If you are to believe the Jewish lore and I do, God revealed himself many times to the Jewish patriarchs and His people. Allah did nothing of the sort. Therefore, you can forgo the attempt to debate me on this point about the supposed conflict between Jew and Gentile, as has been your habit in the past.
And I don’t believe that I have once read here that the ‘christian god’ has told you what you will do. You would be more accurate to state members of his flock have suggested what you SHOULD do. And when I do, its not done with malevolence or to cast fear, but as brotherly advice (minus the occasion pejorative in a moment of frustration
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Unlike Islam, Christianity is based on the concept of free will – hence you are free to believe or not to believe without penalty by man.
Another difference? Jesus didn’t say render unto Caesar for no reason. Contrary to Rutherford’s baiting, dimwitted accusations of the goal of Christian theocracy, any knowledgeable Christian understands that is completely contrary to God’s wishes of separating moral law from man’s own established government. It was mostly Protestant Christians and some deists who grew weary of the demands of the Church of “England” and revolted to start this country to being with. That’s got to be one of the weakest accusations of many made against Christians.
Finally, I thought at some time in your studies, you might determine that Islam has no concept of inalienable Rights. As Americans, we do. And our Founders found those inalienable rights rendered to us by our Creator. Therefore, my core beliefs are closer to the definition of our declaration of independence than your unbelief.
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Rutherford | December 2, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Tex you raise an interesting point here. I won’t argue your claim about Islam since I don’t know the Koran any better than you do (and I personally doubt you know it well at all).
So with that put aside, did our founding fathers take a leap of faith by saying that these inalienable rights (life liberty and pursuit of happiness) are bestowed by the Creator? In other words, I am asking does the Bible talk of any rights bestowed upon Man by God. I’m not talking about the Ten Commandments which are not rights but prohibitions. Or did the founding fathers, being for the most part religious men, assume that such lofty ideals MUST have been endorsed by their Christian God?
Honestly, I’m not needling you here. I want a serious answer of whether the founding fathers were doing a bit of their own religious interpretation or whether there is something explicit in the Bible to back them up.
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PFesser | December 2, 2011 at 4:45 pm
R -
“I want a serious answer of whether the founding fathers were doing a bit of their own religious interpretation or whether there is something explicit in the Bible to back them up.”
I think it comes under the aegis of “literary license.” The quote, of course, is from the Declaration of Independence, written in its entirety by my Boy Thomas Jefferson. A man of no particular religious fervor, he nonetheless had several references to God in an appeal to a higher authority as the ultimate source for the rights of men to live free.
But the Declaration and the Constitution are two entirely different documents. One is an appeal to emotion and reason to explain the justifications for separation from England; the other is a blueprint for how the country is to be organized. You will note that the Constitution is completely devoid of religious references, except of course for the First Amendment.
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PFesser | December 2, 2011 at 4:47 pm
The quote I meant was, “…endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
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huckingfypocrites | December 2, 2011 at 4:47 pm
“And I find that one of your shortcomings or perhaps better defined as mental block, perhaps unlearned or ignored, in not recognizing true Islam does not separate religion and obedience from politics.”
I am well aware of what Islam does and doesn’t believe. If you recall, I am the one that reminds you what Muslims do and don’t believe.
“And I don’t believe that I have once read here that the ‘christian god’ has told you what you will do.”
But you have read here where he tells our prospective leaders what to do. People who, in turn, want to tell me what to do.
But you’re missing the point. I have said that statement more than once, regardless of whose god we have been discussing.
“Finally, I thought at some time in your studies, you might determine that Islam has no concept of inalienable Rights. As Americans, we do.”
That’s an unfair comparison.
I have the right as an American to reject the existence of God.
What does God say about exercising that right? I have the right to do it…but I will burn in Hell as punishment, no?
So if I am being punished for not doing something, do I really have the “right” not to do it? (rhetorical)
(Unfortunately I don’t have time to dedicate to the back-and-forth I know we’d like to have about this, but I have finals to write)
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PFesser | December 2, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Interesting article on Yahoo about what would happen if we end the Fed.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/happens-end-fed-185459981.html;_ylt=Ao5W2jmAFF.1ZI.T7vNvcooFuodG;_ylu=X3oDMTN2b2s0bmJqBG1pdANGZWF0dXJlZCBMaXN0BHBrZwMwYThiNGM4NS1mNjAyLTNlYmMtYmFhYS1jZDllOTQ2N2IwMzMEcG9zAzIEc2VjA01lZGlhRmVhdHVyZWRMaXN0BHZlcgM2YmVhMDA3MC0xYzRlLTExZTEtYmYxOS0yODc1ZjUyMzE2YjU-;_ylg=X3oDMTM1bzJoZnJpBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDYTVmN2Y0NjItMTA0Zi0zMDg5LWI4NmMtMmFlYWJkOGYyOGJlBHBzdGNhdANuZXdzfG1hcmtldHMEcHQDc3RvcnlwYWdlBHRlc3QD;_ylv=3
Jesus I don’t know why they have these stupid URLs like that; I assume it works.
The comments are better than the article. Maybe not EVERYBODY is stupid in America. Hope not.
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 2, 2011 at 5:03 pm
But the Declaration and the Constitution are two entirely different documents. One is an appeal to emotion and reason to explain the justifications for separation from England; the other is a blueprint for how the country is to be organized. You will note that the Constitution is completely devoid of religious references, except of course for the First Amendment.
No.
One is the charter, the other the bylaws, and you’re also wrong about references to religion in the Constitution.
(See Article VI, last paragraph), and then if you trouble yourself to read what the authors of it themselves told us (see The Federalist Papers), it wasn’t done as an anti-religious, or anti-Christian measure. They lived in a country was was undeniably Christian, but also one in which certain sects of Christianity varied from state to state, and iunderstanding the effect of sectarian strife in the Old World, sought to avoid it here.
Our commonlaw was adopted from that of Britain. It shared the same moral basis and underpinnings, which was clearly defined as Christian in origin by Lord Blackstone, and his four volume treatise on that common law makes it abundantly clear, …a fact which hasnever been challenged in legal circles. Even the “deists” among the Founders and Framers understood this as the frame of reference for our laws.
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Rutherford | December 2, 2011 at 5:19 pm
BiW, that’s all fine and dandy. Would you care to take a stab at the question I asked Tex about inalienable rights? (192)
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Christian God?
I think the word “Creator” would stipulate there are no other Gods, as the word Creator singular. There is no Christian God – it’s just God, as in I AM. That’s not being pedantic. It’s incredibly important and something that can’t get lost in the argument and meaning.
And this response is not to needle you either:
Obviously the word “Creator” assumes the monotheistic. So you’re left with two choices – Allah or Elohim? The signers included Johns and Thomas, Benjamin, Josiah, Samuel, Joseph, etc…but I couldn’t find a Mohammad in the bunch, so I am guessing it pretty clear where the lineage.
You say I don’t know my Koran? Well, that would be true in the sense I am no scholar of Islamic writing, though I’ve read probably a 1/3 of it, hardly qualifying as expert. But not being a scholar of either the Old or New Testament doesn’t prevent you from speaking of the Bible and formulating conclusions of its writings, or trying to objectively judge Christianity by its works and deeds, does it?
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From the first chapter, of the first book on. For instance, in Genesis 1:28, God gives (dare I say this) us the right to have dominion over all the animals. Adam named the animals in Genesis 2 and granted the right to cultivate the ground as he saw fit – an Old Testament way exploiting the resources God provided for man’s benefit. Chapter 3 has Adam and Eve granted the right to eat from any plant or fruit but one.
I think the confusion about natural rights stems from the fact that in the Bible, every right from God I can think of off hand comes with a responsibility and/or duty, and it is the second part the unbeliever generally doesn’t approve, or doesn’t like.
Christians believe all natural rights are those possessed by us under the Laws of Nature, meaning under the laws of God’s creation. Therefore, those rights can not legally and morally be taken away by man, but only by God: life, freedom, free will.
I could write a tome about rights granted from God from hundreds, if not thousands of verses. Let me give it some thought. That’s a pretty deep question that deserves a better answer than I have given here. BIC probably would be more qualified to answer that question, especially a study of foundation of natural law with respect to our Constitution.
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 2, 2011 at 5:30 pm
That really wouldn’t be a short response, R, but I’d like to take a run at it.
That said, the Boss just handed me two research projects and I have a hopefully romantic birthday dinner sometime this evening, so I probably cannot get back to you until tomorrow or Sunday.
I can come back for some quick exchanges until then, but what you ask requires more fleshing out than a brief answer will permit.
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PFesser | December 2, 2011 at 5:35 pm
“One is the charter, the other the bylaws”
What?! Can you explain that?
“and you’re also wrong about references to religion in the Constitution. (See Article VI, last paragraph),
You are right. I stand corrected. That Article is actually is a provision specifically EXCLUDING religion. (no religious test allowed for any office)
“and then if you trouble yourself to read what the authors of it themselves told us (see The Federalist Papers), it wasn’t done as an anti-religious, or anti-Christian measure.”
I never said it was.
“They lived in a country was was undeniably Christian,”
I deny it.
“but also one in which certain sects of Christianity varied from state to state, and iunderstanding the effect of sectarian strife in the Old World, sought to avoid it here.”
Now you’re on the beam.
“Our commonlaw was adopted from that of Britain. It shared the same moral basis and underpinnings, which was clearly defined as Christian in origin by Lord Blackstone, and his four volume treatise on that common law makes it abundantly clear, …a fact which hasnever been challenged in legal circles. Even the “deists” among the Founders and Framers understood this as the frame of reference for our laws.”
Yes and no. It was modeled after British Common Law (“frame of reference” stipulated) but specifically excluded religion. You can dance around all you want, split hairs, conflate “frame of reference” with “actual substance of the law”, but the Wall of Separation remains, thank god. And those like me will see that it never is breached. Ever.
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El Tigre | December 2, 2011 at 5:35 pm
BiW, I guess someone needs to interject the concept of natural law and. Its significance in the philosophical underpinnings in the founding of the US can’t be ignored. I think that’s the direction of this discussion. And I ain’t going there because. Based on the comments, I don’t think anyone here has the stamina to pull it together.
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PFesser | December 2, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Now tell me again, which is the Declaration of Independence, the charter or the bylaws?
And which is the Constitution?
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Thanks Pfesser for that article. Interesting. I thought the most interesting part of the article was this:
Which in large part possibly helps to explain our exasperation of trying to fairly gauge where things stand earlier this week. One of my major concerns with the stock market are these wild swings, mostly optimistic now but that can change in a drop of a hat, of perception when fundamentals say otherwise. I thought much the same in 2008 when the market tumbled so precipitously – wildly optimistic, then pessimistic.
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 2, 2011 at 5:46 pm
I deny it.
Deny away. It won’t change the fact that at that time, the Bible was for many common citizens the only book they owned, and one of the main textbooks in primary education, the sabbath was strictly enforced, more than half of the states had official state religions, even after the ratification of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and pretty much all the institutions of higher learning at the time (Harvard, Yale, Princeton) still had not strayed far from their origins as divinity schools, and even institutions like the University of Virginia had spiritual teaching as part of the ciricula, just not focused on any one Christian or other religious sect…as Jefferson had contemplated and set forth in his own hand.
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 2, 2011 at 5:52 pm
PF,
Start here:
http://threesurethingsoflife.wordpress.com/2009/12/06/the-declaratory-charter-of-our-rights/
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Trying to be rational and objective for the moment over this one subject that separates most of us, I’m not sure where the idea that Christians don’t believe in a “wall” of separation between church and state derived. After all, the very expression was Jefferson giving his assurances that there would be no repeat of Congress establishing a religion, but that churches could freely choose as they saw fit how to worship.
Where we don’t agree is the wall now being used to dam the free expression of our faith, forever to be hidden. I damn sure don’t want something as inept as Congress meddling in church affairs, as churches struggle with human weakness well enough on their own. We don’t need to debate that, as I more than agree. The church caters to both the best and the worst, replete with sinners and saints, and the church ultimately the real safety net of our society when all else fails – including government.
There’s a difference between establishing a theocracy and granting the right, without insult, threat or hostility, to freely partake in public worship and give glory to the one to whom we as believers feel it belongs. If that offends, so be it. No where do you have the right not to be offended. Obviously, our Founding Fathers believed the same, deciding the concept of our Creator important enough to make mention that our most cherished rights are endowed by the Creator.
I mostly find that the real hypocrites concerning this subject are not the Christians but the militant atheistic making threats by judicial fiat and demands of privatizing worship. How many crosses do we have to remove from our seals that have been on the seal since its foundation? How many mottoes of our finest universities have to be tucked away because they mention Christ, including your university Rutherford? Congress does open with a prayer, does it not? We have memorial services after national tragedies, of which I feel safe to say there are atheists voluntarily sitting in attendance. Most politicians end there speeches with “God Bless America.”
I’m sure there are a few loons out there in the Christian community that do give pause to you Pfesser about trying to reestablish King George and the Salem witch burnings, but they are hardly the establishment of Christianity, no matter how our secular media would like you to believe that. Then you get the other side of the replacement theology crowd like Poolman, claiming eternity but finding fault every step of the way with the Christian church, while clearly appeasing its enemies.
If you really believe it no so Pfesser, then I invite you to my place of worship to observe for yourself with the assurances there will be no proselytizing but of a general nature from the pulpit. I think you would be more than surprised, though the message from the pulpit would surely make the unbeliever squirm.
I find a real arrogance in the conclusion of the sovereignty of man gang. If that’s all we have then I am afraid we really are in dire straights, and well I have to say it:
God Help Us.
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Rutherford | December 2, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Happy Birthday BiW!!!
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Rutherford | December 2, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Tex and BiW, good I’ll look for your answer but you’ve already said enough to suggest that, in your opinion, the Founding Fathers were not exercising literary license, as Pfesser put it, by referring to God given rights.
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 2, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Yes and no. It was modeled after British Common Law (“frame of reference” stipulated) but specifically excluded religion. You can dance around all you want, split hairs, conflate “frame of reference” with “actual substance of the law”,
Justice Joseph Story, someone with an impecible legal pedigree, and who was only one generation removed from the Founding, having been born in 1779, would beg to differ with you.
http://www.belcherfoundation.org/joseph_story_on_church_and_state.htm
Scroll down to section 986, and read from there to the end.
You won’t like it, but that doesn’t change the facts, PF.
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 2, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Thank you, R.
My wife, whose Birthday was yesterday is taking far too much pleasure in mentioning which birthday this is.
I keep telling her “Next Year…”
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 2, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Put another way, PF, your “wall” is encroaching on my religion, and thanks to some Obiter Dicta from Justice Hugo Black, it is deliberate.
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dead rabbit | December 2, 2011 at 7:35 pm
Can you believe the way MSM is running with the unemployment story?
WTF?
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 7:45 pm
That unemployment number to day was a bad joke. You ought to see CBS spinning the news tonight. Nauseating.
I don’t think people are buying the “just around corner” anymore.
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dead rabbit | December 2, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Yeah, NBC is doing the same thing.
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 2, 2011 at 8:05 pm
“Just around the corner”…IS THAT WHERE THAT OBAMA CASH IS STASHED???
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Happy birthday, by the way old man. Is this the magic 39, or something? Heck, you’re probably 29.
Bunch of babies I’m conversing with around here.
That Obama cash is stashed in the front of my pants – it’s getting smaller and not worth what it used to be.
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 2, 2011 at 8:24 pm
And while you’re digesting that, PF,
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/blackstone_intro.asp#2
This link takes you to Blackstone’s Commentaries. Section 2 contains yet more explaination that I doubt you’ll enjoy, but does firmly establish the reasons and underlying philosophy of English Common Law, which was imported to these shores by the colonists.
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 2, 2011 at 8:25 pm
40. And sadly, I’m starting to get the gray hairs to prove it.
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Rutherford | December 2, 2011 at 8:59 pm
I don’t know what the public believes. What I don’t understand is why the MSM cannot just level with us. I know you guys say it is because they want to see Obama reelected but I don’t buy that.
Maybe just around the corner is a better story than “everyone is giving up hope”?
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 9:01 pm
40?
Well, let me be the first to tell you after turning 50 last year, 40 ain’t nothing. Nothing! Gray hairs are the new in.
Happy Birthday friend. Hope you and your wife have a good evening.
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Rutherford | December 2, 2011 at 9:01 pm
40? A mere babe. I had a major midlife crisis at 40. Little did I know what 50 would be like. That’s when all the biological systems start their inevitable decline.
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Rutherford, you have come a long way in some regard of certain subjects concerning truth. But your denial that the MSM isn’t in the tank for Obama is so disingenuous, it sends a tingle up my leg.
Why in the world would you think the media isn’t leveling with us?
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 9:07 pm
At 50, what works hurts, and what doesn’t hurt, doesn’t work. Right “R”?
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Rutherford | December 2, 2011 at 9:23 pm
The Stones just re-issued their 70′s classic “Some Girls” so in honor of BiW’s birthday, here is my favorite song from the album. The video (just the album cover) sucks but the music rocks. Charlie Watts sounds like he’s going to destroy his drum set. The Stones only issued one more record worth a damn in my estimation, “Tattoo You” before their decline into elder statesmen mediocrity.
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PFesser | December 2, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Senate passes S.1867. Only seven senators vote against it, none of whom were from VA.
New letters to Jim Webb and Mark Warner:
Sir:
Unless there is some extremely important reason for you to support a bill that gives the President the right to use the military to arrest American citizens and hold them without charge, I want you to understand that I intend to use every legal means at my disposal to do my small part to assure that you never accomplish anything further in your career. Shame on you sir! This is not only unconstitutional but it is immoral. Shame on you and the 96 others that would attack your own country in this way. Shame. Shame.
And I thought you were a patriot. Feh.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, VA
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poolman | December 2, 2011 at 10:08 pm
The answer is simple: The top leadership of the media is also saturated with members of the Trilateral Commission who are able to selectively suppress the stories that are covered.
Obama appointed eleven members of the Trilateral Commission to top-level and key positions in his administration within his first ten days in office. This represents a very narrow source of international leadership inside the Obama administration, with a core agenda that is not necessarily in support of working people in the United States.
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 10:09 pm
The Feh was a nice touch Pfesser.
You rip the Senators from your state. I rip the editors of the Tulsa World before they finally booted me off the board. And I’m not even a subscriber. I read my neighbor’s paper every morning. I refuse to give them a plug nickel.
But not before I pissed their bigshot shyster of an editor off so bad on the T-World blog, he used my responses to the owners of the T-World two consecutive Sunday editions in the Opinion section two consecutive weekends. And I guess the second one finally choked the free speech proponent up so much, that they didn’t just banish me. They wiped every comment I ever posted from history.
Libs are real liberal, until you tell them you won’t even by a cheap plug in the obituaries upon your death.
Free speech is a great thing. But using a lib’s boasts in their banner of love of free speech while you rip them a new asshole on their dime and their blog?
Priceless. Right “R”?
I am a bastard.
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 10:11 pm
Rutherford, I’ve still got that Stone’s album on vinyl. Came out just about the time I was starting college.
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Is tonight a good night to remind the Libs that Jon Corzine, the disgraced criminal now missing in action on the lamb for $1.2 billion of other’s money, on the short list for Obama’s Treasury Secretary?
Man, Obama sure knows how to pick them.
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Tex Taylor | December 2, 2011 at 10:21 pm
damn BUY a cheap obituary. Got to pick up wifey from the airport.
You guys have a good evening.
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dead rabbit | December 2, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Did Corzine end up getting his 12 million dollar bonus for his awesomeness?
Its important guys like him, and say, the Fanny Mae execs, continue to get their bonuses because these businesses can ill afford to lose such talent.
I’m glad Rush and Hannity are fighting the good fight on behalf of these financial martyrs.
Its un-American for any one to make the case that utter failure shouldn’t be rewarded with millions of dollars worth of positive reinforcement, particularly when its ultimately paid by tax payers or bond holders, the chumps.
At least loan them billions to get out of the hole. They at least deserve that. They pay it back. The loans can be secret.
I’m only asking for a years pay of the entire 5th Mountain Division to go to the Fanny execs who are in the real trenches.
And another thing. The Justice Department can lie. The ATF can give guns to bad guys. And the guy in charge of taxes don’t have to pay ‘um. The stimulus can be a depressant, I don’t have to spell and the white knight is talking backwards.
Oh yeah, students don’t have to turn in home work.
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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dead rabbit | December 3, 2011 at 12:31 am
Oh yeah…If anyone disagrees with me, I’m going to throw a half empty, piss warm Coors Light can at you.
Ahh the good ol’ days. Goin out with your buddies with the sole intention of getting shitty. Impossible as a family man. Too old for it anyways.
Looking back on it. My immaturity level up to the year of 29 or 30 was ridiculous.
I’m living proof marriage is a very important institution. I was out of control until I got married.
There was horrible club in my neighborhood that, for reasons beyond me, attracted people from a chunk of the metro area. Might have been the fake tits of every female employee, though people went there to fight more then the chicks. Due to the fact the club was in our back yard, there was always safety in numbers. Pathetic, but it was fun.
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poolman | December 3, 2011 at 2:18 am
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Rutherford | December 3, 2011 at 2:27 am
Damn, I could not have said that any better myself. In fact, sometimes you’re relieved to feel some pain cos it reminds you that particular body part is still there.
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Rutherford | December 3, 2011 at 2:42 am
Me too, and I think I’ve got it with the original celebs on it before that version got banned and replaced with pics of the Stones only. Probably worth something.
“Undercover” is the last one I bought on vinyl. All the ones after that I have on CD. On vinyl I have every Stones American release from their first (in 1964) to Undercover in 1983. “Goats Head Soup” (1973) was the first Stones album I bought when it first came out. Needless to say I bought the subsequent ones within the first week of release.
I’ve got a real “collector” bug in me. I’ve got virtually every CCR release on vinyl, every Alice Cooper (the group, not soloist) on vinyl (including “School’s Out” packed in the original panties) and just about every REM release on CD.
I know you’re not a big fan of Joe Scarborough but the man has an encyclopedic knowledge of pop/rock music. I could talk to him for hours.
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Rutherford | December 3, 2011 at 2:44 am
Oh yeah, I left out my Green Day collection which is nearly complete.
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Rutherford | December 3, 2011 at 2:55 am
I’m not being holier-than-thou but I never got the point of going out with the intention of getting sh*tfaced. I went to a five week programming class with a co-worker back in 1983 and the dude would regularly pass out and not have any idea what happened the night before. He finally stopped drinking years later (at least I think he did). Probably figured out it was going to kill him.
Now I guess a disabled guy not hitting the bottle is no big surprise. It’s not like guys with leg braces are gonna score big time in the bar scene, but be that as it may, I still never got the appeal of it.
Mid-career I went through a brief strip-club phase. But even that never quite met expectation. I remember one visit in particular when I was staring at this topless dancer completely slack-jawed and she looked me straight in the eye and said “hey, I don’t do this for free”. LOL she was demanding her tip. Talk about souring the mood.
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Rutherford | December 3, 2011 at 3:00 am
Pfesser, have you bothered to read the bill yet? As I wrote earlier, I don’t see what is in there that has the ACLU in an uproar. I’m telling you, if you wrote that second letter to Webb without having first read the bill (BiW gave you the page to go to), you may very well have doubled down on stupid. I’m open to being convinced otherwise but to do it, you’re gonna have to show me where in the bill the troubles exist.
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Rutherford | December 3, 2011 at 3:15 am
This Pres race is so f*cked up that I can’t even predict what Herman Cain is gonna announce tomorrow (Saturday). The folks “in the know” expect him to quit the race but he’s making his announcement from a new campaign office in Atlanta. Why open a new office just to close it?
In other news, Donald Trump wants to moderate a GOP Pres debate. Jon Huntsman has already said he won’t participate in the freak show: “We look forward to watching Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich suck up to Trump with a big bowl of popcorn,” Huntsman spokesman Tim Miller told Yahoo News.
Huntsman does plan to take on Gingrich in a Lincoln-Douglas style debate in New Hampshire sometime this month.
Since you guys think Joe Scarborough is a wuss, how ’bout Erick Erickson of RedState.com?
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thorsaurus | December 3, 2011 at 5:51 am
So what would the community of Spokane, WA, choose to do? – Tex
It’s a toss up. My first instinct is yes, this area would take it in a heartbeat. But then again, a group is trying to get approval for a whitewater park and is getting blocked every step of the way. They basically want to drop a half-dozen chunks of cement in a 30,000 cfm flow and the draft impact statement is going to end up looking like a copy of War and Peace, unabridged.
But as for dumping on the community 40 miles away, well, that would be Idaho, so sure. I mean, how much more damage can you do to a place that’s still harboring Whooping Cough and Napolean Dynamite?
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thorsaurus | December 3, 2011 at 6:08 am
“The Stones just re-issued their 70′s classic “Some Girls” so in honor of BiW’s birthday, here is my favorite song from the album” – R
Happy Birthday BiW. R, you might enjoy this. Last spring, I was in Issaquah (BiW will know where that is) at a decent Italian restaurant and I noticed their Father’s Day promo. It seemed they were having some Sinatra impersonator sing, but get this, he only did STONES songs. I could just hear it, “… in a case of mistaken identity … whooah yeah … put a bullet through his heart, right through his heart baby … whooh yeah, everybody now, Heartbreaker, with your 44 …”
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pfesser53 | December 3, 2011 at 8:44 am
‘I deny it.’
“Deny away.”
When there is a disagreement then a distinction must be made. How do you define “Christian Nation?”
I would define it as a country that has an official religion, such as Iran. America has not now, nor has ever had such a thing. Of course you could say, well, it means the Majority are Christian, to which I would say, then we are a female nation, right?
Your court.
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pfesser53 | December 3, 2011 at 9:11 am
Rutherford -
I don’t know why there is any debate on what this bill s.1867 says. Here is a discussion by Senator Rand Paul and Constitutional scholar Judge Andrew Napolitano. Think they know what the bill says?
There is a roiling mass of American citizens who are ready to have a revolution – not a shooting revolution, but a concerted effort to get this country back on track. They read each others’ blogs and visit each others’ Websites. They want their America back from the jackbooted thugs and the pinheaded academic bankers who are destroying their lives.
The only things this loosely-organized groundswell don’t have are a plan and a leader, which is why the govt is pushing as hard as it can for that “switch on the Internet” – a way to disconnect these people in a “national emergency.”
THEY are the emergency, WE are trying to fix it.
They are taking our country away from us at breathtaking speed, and using the time-honored method: perpetual war. I am reminded of the Vietnam protests, with the rednecks shouting “Love it or leave it!” and the protesters shouting back, “Change it or lose it.” We are losing this lovely, lovely Country, fellows, as fast as we can go.
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Tex Taylor | December 3, 2011 at 1:38 pm
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Pfesser | December 3, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Actually, Tex, I appreciate your POV on religion. I think we perhaps have the same opinion, but opposite sides of the coin. If I mischaracterize your position, apologies up front.
It seems to me that you feel that religion is under attack and that those like me want to stamp it out. At least in my case that is not true. In point of fact my wife and I have been sort of adopted by a local Pentecostal church (very, very nice folks who are well-aware of my beliefs and never bring it up) and we work together on charity projects. There are a lot of very poor folks here in my area, so there’s plenty to do. These church people are fine folks and a credit to any community.
I on the other hand feel that there are those, especially in the govt, that want to institute religion into the government itself. A lot of that has already been done over the years and everyone is used to it: “one nation under God” , etc. The process of getting that out is very offensive to some and interpreted as an attack on religion itself; I don’t see it that way. I just see it as returning the govt to a completely secular institution.
Maybe we are both over-reacting a little. I don’t see what you see at all, and I believe you don’t see what I see either.
It is very clear to me how things should be:
govt———————wall——————–religion
No more – no less. Just like that. I have no desire to stamp out or attack someone’s religion. That’s their business; I want the same consideration.
Just my .05. No offense meant.
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poolman | December 3, 2011 at 2:13 pm
This was from August, but maybe adds some perspective to Tex’s BS.
There has been criticism of the president’s vacation at this time. But how does the number of vacation days the president has spent compare to his predecessors? CBS Radio’s Mark Knoller has kept track of presidential vacations for years and supplied the data.
So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch.
Among recent presidents, Bill Clinton took the least time off — 28 days.
To be fair, a presidential vacation away from the White House is not the same as a vacation for the average person. The president is still in contact with his advisers and on call for any emergency.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/17/eveningnews/main20093801.shtml
Michelle and Barack are easy to dislike, if you’re constantly looking for ways. Remember, we ELECTED him to the position. Of course YOUR vote ineffectually went to McCain, whose recent actions highlight how remarkably unAmerican he is.
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huckingfypocrites | December 3, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Re: #244
I am late to the party, but I just saw this BS. Its amazing how much bipartisan support it got.
“Judge Andrew P. Napolitano commented on S. 1867 last week saying, “It basically says that the President can arrest whoever he wants anywhere in the United States of America, and keep them without charging them for a crime, without letting them see a lawyer, without bringing them to a judge for as long as he wants. How is that consistent with the Constitution?””
GOP for: 44
GOP against: 3
Democrats for: 48
Democrats against: 3
Others for: 1
Others against: 1
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huckingfypocrites | December 3, 2011 at 2:24 pm
“This was from August, but maybe adds some perspective to Tex’s BS.”
Those presidents weren’t presiding over “the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression” were they?
As usual for dipshit Obama…there is what he can do and what he should do. And the optics for this are terrible.
He’s fiddling while Rome burns and deserves every ounce of criticism he gets for it.
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poolman | December 3, 2011 at 2:32 pm
No, they were CREATING the environment FOR it. This “worst economic downturn” didn’t “materialize” in January 2009.
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huckingfypocrites | December 3, 2011 at 2:39 pm
So they fiddled while lighting the fire and Obama fiddles while it burns.
I still fail to see a shred of defense for Obama in any of that, unless you want to go on record with a “2-wrongs-make-a-right” platform.
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huckingfypocrites | December 3, 2011 at 2:59 pm
“My prediction: Cain will NOT drop out. 26 minutes ago”
Cain suspends presidential bid
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Tex Taylor | December 3, 2011 at 3:23 pm
No Poolman, you elected Obama. I have called Obama a fraud, a sham and remarkably unprepared, just as I have accurately predicted you to be an idiot, a phony and a liberal shill masquerading as intellect when to our horror, you appeared and stuck.
Who do you honestly think you are fooling dummy, even copying your punchlines verbatim from other sites, including CBS?
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Tex Taylor | December 3, 2011 at 3:30 pm
“We’re going to keep pushing Congress to make this happen. They shouldn’t go home for the holidays until they get this done.” ~ Barack Obama (before he leaves for Hawaii for seventeen days)
Who the hell is the WE?
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poolman | December 3, 2011 at 3:30 pm
You have no confidence in Obama to put out this “fire”, yet you berate him for taking vacation time? Haven’t you expressed what a poor job he is doing in office and wouldn’t taking time off from that “job” be considered a good thing, following any line of logic?
I mean, it has already been shown that these guys still “work” during these vacations. Same job in a different location is all we’re talking about. So really, what’s the point?
Ultimately your answer is to elect a new fire chief in hopes he hoses the flames and not us.
I say we charge the fire starters with arson and hold them accountable. Courts in other countries have already found many of them guilty based on the overwhelming and irrefutable evidence.
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poolman | December 3, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Tex, you fikin icehole.
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huckingfypocrites | December 3, 2011 at 3:38 pm
“I mean, it has already been shown that these guys still “work” during these vacations. Same job in a different location is all we’re talking about. So really, what’s the point? ”
I am pretty sure I already addressed this.
“As usual for dipshit Obama…there is what he can do and what he should do. And the optics for this are terrible.”
Americans are struggling to put food on the table and Obama is sunning it up in luxury for 2.5 weeks.
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Tex Taylor | December 3, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Pfesser, we may be two opposites sides of the coin. But I have admitted truthfully, there are religious zealots that deserve the criticism. They are an poor representation in my opinion of Christianity – more legalistic Pharisee than Christ.
But my experience is that secularists such as yourself have used those fools as ammunition to market that as typical, and it simply isn’t true. Your Pentecostal church is a prime example of what you would find in most communities of the heartland, including Christian missions.
However, we adamantly disagree about the real mission of the ACLU. It is blatantly and openly anti-Christian, mostly made up of secular Jews, zealots themselves, who hate Christianity – even considering those few instances where they (the ACLU) have defended Christianity’s right of free speech. That’s a ruse.
I can list hundreds of egregious examples of open hostility and bullying through perversion of the courts via liberal activist judges, for no other reason than the organizations are Christian. They have been singled out. Even many of my liberal colleagues through the years at work have admitted as much, and recently the ACLU appears to be toning down the hatred, because of the backlash from secularists who have taken note.
I feel safe in saying many of those Christian zealots you abhor are in direct response to the hostility shown towards all of Christianity by groups such as Planned Parenthood, NOW, NARAL, and the ACLU. It doesn’t take much to produce a zealot of any stripe.
To deny that is as silly as denying there is a cultural war ongoing in America.
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Tex Taylor | December 3, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Huck, I just noted who you were talking about in that Cain prediction. Right on time.
We’ll have to rag Rutherford about that when he returns.
And speaking of dishonesty, I did a little “vacation” research myself. So I checked to see where and how The Tool Man’s propagandists were accumulating their data.
Bush returns to Midland back to the ranch with Saud Prince in tow attending “sleepover”. Vacation.
Typical utter and complete bullshit, as usual.
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huckingfypocrites | December 3, 2011 at 4:09 pm
“I feel safe in saying many of those Christian zealots you abhor are in direct response to the hostility shown towards all of Christianity by groups such as Planned Parenthood, NOW, NARAL, and the ACLU. It doesn’t take much to produce a zealot of any stripe.”
I feel safe in saying that many of the Islamic zealots you abhor are in direct response to hostility (and years of FP) shown toward Muslims and toward the Middle East in general.
And it’s pretty silly to deny that, too.
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poolman | December 3, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Highlighting Lincoln’s speech 150 years ago today, Grayson point’s out the vast similarities today and then.
If I were still in Congress, I would have repeated President Lincoln’s speech on the floor of the House this week, in the same spot where he rendered it 150 years ago. “Labor is the superior of capital.” And we must not “place capital… above labor in the structure of government.” Thank you, Mr. Lincoln. If I had to sum up my job as a congressman in 25 words or less, that would do it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-alan-grayson/lincoln-congress-speech-_b_1127058.html
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Tex Taylor | December 3, 2011 at 4:59 pm
No doubt. We have made some bad decisions through the years, some of them with good intent that blew up in our face. It appears our diplomacy and niceties have bought us nothing. I hardly thinks that justifies flying planes into buildings, blowing up embassies with civilians, or launching rockets into Jewish schoolyards, but there is some measure of truth to what you say.
Having said that, I now suggest the U.S. adopt your moral equivalency and change our position and strategy.
Cut off every bit of diplomacy, communication and aid with any middle east country. You want to include Israel in that, I understand. Israel will need to do it without us. But don’t dare complain or attempt to negotiate when Israel adopts the proactive strategy of self-preservation. They hate us any way according to The Tool Man ™ so no need to concern ourselves in any of it.
Any attempt at another 9/11 should be meet with sparing our attempts to minimize casualties and jeopardizing our soldiers. No country building. They attack us? Kill every fucking one of them – men, women and children, beast of the fields too, Old Testament style, irradiating the place to make it uninhabitable. No warning like WWII. Blast every living thing from the face of their earth. Moral equivalency.
We should capture middle east prisoners and their journalists, and instead of waterboarding the most awful, simply saw their heads off on video with a blade while cheering God is Great, or in your case, There is no God! – and mail them to Al Jazerra. Moral equivalency.
I know this. Using your strategy and its logical conclusion, when Israel decimates one of your beloved Islamic countries, I will be the guy on the TV ululating and handing out treats to the children.
ULULULULULULULULULULU….
Watch for me. I’ll have the big smile on my face with plates of treats and a sign around my neck, “Huck was Here…”
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poolman | December 3, 2011 at 5:52 pm
Self preservation, my ass.
Crusade away, Boy Taylor.
Never fear. Your paradise awaits you.
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poolman | December 3, 2011 at 6:11 pm
But don’t dare complain or attempt to negotiate when Israel adopts the proactive strategy of self-preservation.
I think that “proactive strategy of self-preservation” IS the problem.
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Rutherford | December 3, 2011 at 6:32 pm
LOL That had to be a hoot. Yeah Sinatra singing Heartbreaker is definitely do-able. Hell I could even hear him singing the title song from “Some Girls” maybe with some lyric alterations:
“Some chicks give me jewelry
Others buy me clothes
Some chicks give me children
I never asked them for.”
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Rutherford | December 3, 2011 at 7:01 pm
Poolman hits it out of the park again. Thank you … my sentiments exactly.
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Rutherford | December 3, 2011 at 7:12 pm
In fairness, if you’re gonna rag on me for my Cain Twitter prediction, at least give me credit for my follow up tweet admitting I was wrong.
I think I had considerable logic on my side. Unlike most of you Yahoos I was watching the event live and the atmosphere was downright festive. The Cain’s (Herman and Gloria) came out smiling, not the demeanor you would expect from someone about to throw in the towel. Then when you factor in Cain’s ego, his perseverance through prior charges and survival after the Libya brain-freeze, I think I had a lot to go on to make my prediction.
Once he spoke for about 2 mins it was clear I was wrong even before he outright said the word “suspend”. His “Plan B” is a joke. He’s done. Over. Finished.
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Rutherford | December 3, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Pfesser, Rand Paul can get his undies in a knot all he wants … on this one BiW is right at least in principle. Before you write your congress critters you need to read the bill for yourself. In this case, BiW even gave us a link and a page to go to. No excuse for not reading it.
Now … with that said … maybe I read it wrong. Maybe it’s as sinister as Paul and Napolitano made it out to be.That’s why I implored you to read the relevant part of the bill and show me where you think the danger lies.
I’ve read enough of BiW to know that when our liberties are at serious risk he is the first to jump all over it. He doesn’t seem to be upset by it. This tells me my reading of it could not have been that far off.
Again … please prove me wrong … and don’t rely on third party opinion to do it.
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Tex Taylor | December 3, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Hey Tool man ™ ,
I’ll guarantee you when and if my little rant ever comes to pass, your name will be first on the Mossad bye bye list, courtesy of me. We will grant you a self-fulfilling prophecy, assuming that 50 caliber can penetrate the block of granite you call a head. I’m betting it will.
Either way, your Joooo batin’ days are numbered, pussy.
Come and get me, boy.
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 4, 2011 at 12:12 am
“Judge Andrew P. Napolitano commented on S. 1867 last week saying, “It basically says that the President can arrest whoever he wants anywhere in the United States of America, and keep them without charging them for a crime, without letting them see a lawyer, without bringing them to a judge for as long as he wants. How is that consistent with the Constitution?””
No, that itsn’t what it says.
Section 1031, Subsection (a) affirms that the President has the authority to detain covered persons (who are defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war. [This is a paraphrase. I'd cut and paste but the .pdf is copying weird.]
Subsection (b) defines covered persons as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2011, or harbored those responsible for those attacks. [exact wording]
(2) A person who was part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a beligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces. [exact wording]
[It isn't unusual for this authorization to be granted to the President. He's the commander in chief, and the one from whom such an order to instruct the military to act has to issue. Secondly, the covered persons are defined. It isn't open ended, and it sure as hell doesn't cover anyone the President wants.]
Subsection(c) addresses the “Disposition Under Law of War” as potentially including the following:
(1) Detention without trial until the end of hostilities authorized under the Authorization of the Use of Military Force;
(2) Trial by military tribunal;
(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative tribunal with lawful jurisdiction;
(4) transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.
[paraphrase]
Subsection (d) States states that nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the scope of the President or the scope of the Authorization of Military Force .[paraphrase]
Subsection (e) [EXACT QUOTE]
Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the dention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.
Subsection (f) Requires the Sec Def to regularly brief Congress regarding the application described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be “covert persons” for purposes of Subsection (b)(2). [paraphrase]
Section 1032 sets forth the requirements for military custody.
For the military to hold a person captured in the course of hostilities against the United States, they have to be a member or part of al-Queda, or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda, AND has participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the US or its coalition partners.
Subsection (b) specifically states:
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place in the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
The rest of the section talks about limitations placed on the procedures to implement this section of the act.
No, The President cannot have anyone he wants rounded up by the military and detained indefinitely without trial.
You may not stop your hyperventilation now.
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poolman | December 4, 2011 at 12:58 am
For the military to hold a person captured in the course of hostilities against the United States, they have to be a member or part of al-Queda, or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda, AND has participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the US or its coalition partners.
Okay, how can we tell they are al-Qaeda part or members, or an associated force acting to its direction? Who decides this? Haven’t all those we’ve held been accused by others? I think we even paid bounties. I guess you never know.
Maybe they are issuing membership cards, FBI style.
If you can’t trust your government, who can you trust?
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 4, 2011 at 1:08 am
Gee, I dunno. Being Saudi nationals on expired student visa taking flight lessons, transporting explosives across the border into the country, or being part of a conspiracy to attack this country in a Mumbai style massacre, and screaming “Death to America” and “Allah Allu Ackbar!” when being taken into custody might be a pretty good place to start.
And it might sound corse, but if they aren’t US citizens and they are caught doing such things, I really don’t give a shit if they get to cool their heels in an air conditioned cell, getting fat on their three halal hots a day, with deference to the practice of their rock worship for an indefinite period.
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Rutherford | December 4, 2011 at 1:55 am
Here’s hoping Pfesser reads your copy/paste BiW. You kinda spoonfed him.
I’m on my iPhone now and don’t have the PDF in front of me but doesn’t the bill define two classes of detainee? One very related to 9/11 and another broader set at cross purposes with the US? I think I asked this earlier in the thread.
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 4, 2011 at 2:10 am
“detainee” or “covered person”?
If it is “covered person”, then go back and read subparas (1) and (2) of Section 1031 above, subsection (a)…you have people involved in 9/11, and then you have al-Qaeda/the Taliban/ or associated groups which probably covers the smaller splinters like “Splodeydopes for Allah” and the “Islamic Army for Western Subjugation” and similar nonsense. And before any other group is specifically classified, then Congress has to be briefed (and if they don’t approve, then it is doubtful that it will happen).
I only picked out the portions (Section 1031 and 1032) that the ACLU was citing as giving the President the authority to have the military indefinately detain anyone he wants. I have a life to live, and I’m not too keen on reading all 900 odd pages of it, which is fine since I’m not in Congress, and therefore it isn’t my job to do it before I vote on it.
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poolman | December 4, 2011 at 2:14 am
Ahhh yes. Back to the days of Christopher Robin. Saudi nationals. Where was it that I heard that before? Right. That big event and surrounding conspiracy of the NYC towers three. Like the rest of the story, it would be good to verify the claims. Which, by the way, we still have ZERO proof. The case is still open. The FBI haven’t closed it. Look it up. So, you join many others by calling out hearsay as if it were truth.
Getting at truth and justice. That is supposedly why we have courts and a justice system. At least the last time I checked. Too bad we aren’t using them for those purposes.
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huckingfypocrites | December 4, 2011 at 2:19 am
Occupy Portland getting raided. There has been violence reported.
http://occupystream.com/
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Tex Taylor | December 4, 2011 at 2:20 am
I dozed off and had a dream that The Tool man ™ had a Pakistani flag hanging out his beater window driving down the pike, and one of those no smoking signs crossed thru word Joooo on the back, when a Predator hit that piece of shit he was driving with a Hellfire…..
Gawd, it was beautiful, man. Pecker was like blue steel at the end.
ULULULULULULULULULULULULU
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | December 4, 2011 at 2:30 am
Tex, its too much.
The military is going to come for him, and hold him incognito.
Forever.
Because the clear exception for US Citizens is a myth.
But at least he and PF will have neighboring cells, so there is that to look forward to.
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Tex Taylor | December 4, 2011 at 2:33 am
Your face looked like this Tool man ™ right before it hit your driver’s side window.
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Tex Taylor | December 4, 2011 at 2:34 am
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poolman | December 4, 2011 at 2:41 am
I think you’re related to the Tool man, Boy Taylor.
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Tex Taylor | December 4, 2011 at 2:48 am
Throw his sorry ass in with Bradley Manning, solitaire for the remainder of miserable days.
You ever see the movie Papillon? Remake it for Poolpillon, and throw that plywood over the cell ceiling with broth and cockroaches once a day.
Ahhhh…Blue steel….
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Tex Taylor | December 4, 2011 at 2:54 am
End The Tool man ™ like this…
ULULULULULULULULULULULULULU
Ahhhh…..
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thorsaurus | December 4, 2011 at 4:58 am
“But at least he and PF will have neighboring cells, so there is that to look forward to.” – BiW
I’m picturing “Silence of the Lambs” when Hannibal talks the jack-off dude into hanging himself because he threw jizz in poor little Jodie Foster’s face.
Tex, I think your Cowboy’s are about to get screwed. This is such bullshit. Why should Bama get two shots at LSU when OSU and/or Stanford can’t even get one. Probably doesn’t matter anyway. Tigers look like they could beat the Packers right now.
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thorsaurus | December 4, 2011 at 5:26 am
“Subsection (f) Requires the Sec Def to regularly brief Congress regarding the application described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be “covert persons” for purposes of Subsection (b)(2). ”
Well, there’s your oversight right there. Almost as if they are using a Congressional committee as an uber grand jury for the worst of the worst. It’s not like they are going to be disappearing Rove for taking jabs at Obama on Meet the Press. Not that I would have a problem with that.
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Pfesser | December 4, 2011 at 9:36 am
““I feel safe in saying many of those Christian zealots you abhor are in direct response to the hostility shown towards all of Christianity by groups such as Planned Parenthood, NOW, NARAL, and the ACLU. It doesn’t take much to produce a zealot of any stripe.”
I feel safe in saying that many of the Islamic zealots you abhor are in direct response to hostility (and years of FP) shown toward Muslims and toward the Middle East in general.”
The problem with hating and war is that it just keeps escalating and leading to more hate and war. It only stops when the two sides are exhausted or somebody conquers somebody else. Then we talk about war’s futility for a few years, then rinse and repeat. The damned human race, to quote Clemens. No hope for us.
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El Tigre | December 4, 2011 at 10:07 am
BiW, you’re just talking legal mumbo jumbo. We can’t understand that complicated text that was prepared by paralegals to confuse people so the lawyers can take their money, imprison them, and further their dominionist agendas and government conspiracies. I don’t need to read that stuff . It gives me a headache. Let me find someone with a credential to tell me I should be outraged. Oh and some things can be hard to prove, especially when someone denies it — so there’s not point in the laws that require the development of evidence and proof and stuff because some things are not apparent to me — like the government’s role in taking down the towers for the purpose of . . . well that doesn’t matter. You can’t trust the government anyway.
Are for the first time in recent memory, you took the time to try and understand this with some skepticism that the jackboots on t.v. sometimes just “say shit.” Even though that might not apply to your liberal dumb-fucks on MSNBC, good for you.
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El Tigre | December 4, 2011 at 10:11 am
“R, for the first time. . . “
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Tex Taylor | December 4, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Thor, you’re probably right. OSU will get a screwing. I was happy for them last night, because they deserved it. There have been a couple of years (last year being one), where OSU had the better team and finds ways to still lose to OU. I could feel this beat down coming.
LSU and Alabama probably are the two best teams. And personally, unlike the brain dead types, possibly the only people earth as stupid as The Tool ™ are sports journalists – even lower than MSNBC dregs.
I was told by those experts six years ago that USC with Reggie Bush and Matt Leinhart were the greatest college football team to ever walk across the football field (I knew better) – that would be Nebraska ’95. Texas, a heavy underdog and playing at the Rose Bowl right in USC’s back yard just like this year in New Orleans, beat the “greatest” college team in probably the second best college football game I’ve ever seen.
Though I think that Texas team better than this OSU team, I think OSU might surprise some people if they played LSU. Everybody is now calling LSU the greatest team. But I watched them play Alabama that night and thought Alabama did everything but win the game. Alabama found a way to lose, OSU style.
Let me tell you what will happen now. OSU will be disappointed. In their bowl game, you’ll see a shell of the team you saw last night because now their season is complete. Stanford ends up beating them, and everybody calls the winner of the BSC, “THE GREATEST TEAM EVAH!”
The BCS is a screwed up affair. That’s why I think college basketball does it so well. Is there a better event than the tournament? If we didn’t have any NCAA tournament, there’s a good chance teams like Gonzaga would be playing in some NIT tournament, and the rest of the nation would have ever known they were as good as they were.
Saw a Stockton is on your team? Looked like a baby – and pretty damn good too. Chip off the old block?
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Tex Taylor | December 4, 2011 at 12:05 pm
And you’re right – there is no hope for us. That’s why God Himself walked the earth for 33 1/2 years. Because He is the only hope.
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poolman | December 4, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Laws are only a “point” if respected. The “development of evidence and proof” no longer applies in many cases as we’ve moved past that in this new age of “enlightenment”. Ignoring evidence and proof that doesn’t line up with the narrative is today quite commonplace. So many incidents prove that the case. You’ve certainly succeeded in confirming that.
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El Tigre | December 4, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Pooman, you have again employed an incredible amount of verbiage to convey nothing. You Sir are an artisan.
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dead rabbit | December 4, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Pfessor, sometimes, you have to admit you were wrong.
Look, BiC’s puffy shirt, nose packed with snuff and powdered face bugs the shit out me too, but sometimes you just need to read the conclusion from his peacock feather pen. The dude is right. No harm, no foul.
The Judge got your panties in a bunch over nothing.
It don’t apply to citizens, only foreigners reasonably thought to be terrorists.
Its good your suspicious. Stay on the bastards. But don’t cry wolf or over use the slippery slope argument. You’ll end up clouding everything with poolman smoke.
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poolman | December 4, 2011 at 3:41 pm
What doesn’t affect you personally is “nothing” to you. Sveet!
Nothing to fear. Your position as king of nothing remains intact.
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Rutherford | December 4, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Tex now more than ever there is compelling evidence that you need to move to TX. Your OK football fans are a disgrace.
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GypsyKat | December 4, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Raji, as a liberal, I wouldn’t vote for Huntsman. He’s far too socially conservative for me. But I would have understood him being the candidate for the conservative voters. He most closely adheres to their ideology and has been most consistent in executing against that ideology. But like Joe Scarborough, I can’t understand why he’s not the front-runner and people like Romney and Gingrich are. His only dis-qualifier is that he was an ambassador under Obama? That defies logic. And hence the entirety of the right-wing ideology is summed up. Logic defying.
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Rutherford | December 4, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Kat, welcome to the blog. The only thing conservatives can reasonably hold against Huntsman is that he believes in climate change. You know, that awful science thing.
He’s putting all his chips on NH. A losing strategy.
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Tex Taylor | December 4, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Rutherford, did something happen about the Oklahoma fans? I mean, I don’t doubt you after what I’ve witnessed over a lifetime, but I’ve been out of pocket.
As far as Huntsman, your pal Gypsy needs to check out my Cap & Trade policy if he or she thinks the only problem we have with Huntsman is an affiliation with Obama.
Huntsman has conservative tendencies. Huntsman has a lot more moronic liberal ones. You “progressive into hell types” can have him.
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Tex Taylor | December 4, 2011 at 5:31 pm
Oh, I see. Are you talking about the 13 injured? Listen, those are the idiots that are doing the world a favor by removing themselves from the gene pool before they serve their 7th year of college as a sophomore.
Probably trust fund kids paying thousands to attend T. Boone stadium. I gave it up three years ago, because I could no longer tolerate the idiocy.
Look at the bright side “R”. At least here in Oklahoma, we allow the the stupid like The Tool ™ to remove themselves from the gene pool before they reproduce. The same kind of ilk you would find at Obama lovefests and OWS get orgies.
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huckingfypocrites | December 4, 2011 at 5:52 pm
“His only dis-qualifier is that he was an ambassador under Obama? That defies logic. And hence the entirety of the right-wing ideology is summed up. Logic defying.”
Your logic is what defies logic.
You don’t know what his disqualifier is, to the extent that you question it…and then you make an assertion based on the answer to your question which remains unanswered.
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Tex Taylor | December 4, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Your “LIBERAL” logic is what defies logic. FIFY.
Don’t try to figure it out Huck. It’s like a staff when you contract the disease of progressivism. Deadly, completely resistant to treatment and contagious amongst the compromised.
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Tex Taylor | December 4, 2011 at 6:29 pm
Thor, you sure you want to remain a big government kind of guy?
Kennewick construction company auctions itself off
It took Bob Bertsch 25 years to build his construction business and just a day for it all to go away.
Bertsch’s Kennewick-based Ashley-Bertsch Group went on the auction block Friday at 9 a.m. By 4 p.m., Booker Auctions had sold off almost two dozen vehicles and trailers, tons of power tools and supplies, even the gas-fired fireplace in the office.
Bertsch, 65, said he is down-sizing because the tax burden got too expensive to stay in business.
After a quarter of a century of building a successful enterprise at 5903 W. Metaline Ave., Bertsch sat back and watched as about 200 people bid on what was left of his company — boxes of electrical parts, a drafting desk, high-end office furniture, TVs, computers and even the phone system.
Anything that could be carried away, was.
“I am tired of carrying all the tax load,” Bertsch said. “I renew 13 licenses here every year just so I can spend money in this city.”
Bertsch makes no attempt to conceal his frustration with the costs government imposes on small businesses like his.
“Government is killing small business. We used to have 24 employees at our peak. Now, all of those people who used to work here are in unemployment lines,” he said.
YES WE CAN! Congratulations libs…why don’t you see if you can add some more regulations, fees and services (taxes), and other needless inhibitions to small business (65% of the American public). Before too long, we can all draw extended benefits.
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GypsyKat | December 4, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Working for Obama was the only reason I could see here why one would pick Mitt or Newt over Huntsman. Seems they are far far worse in word and deed than anything Huntsman’s done. But it’s your slate.
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GypsyKat | December 4, 2011 at 7:43 pm
And let me be more clear, I’m not saying any conservative should or shouldn’t support Huntsman. I’m saying it defies logic that conservatives are supporting the other two OVER Huntsman.
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Tex Taylor | December 4, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Taking it from the slate of a supporter of The One, who has done far worse and deed for everyone, rich and poor alike, would indeed make Huntsman infinitely better than Barack Obama. That is a legitimate point.
But the mediocrity of a ‘C’ average RINO when combined with the inherited from abject failure of the ‘F’ailed President still leads to a failing grade. Not good enough in these depressed times of the EPIC failure Obama, even if the lackeys of The One pray to run against a weak opponent.
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Tex Taylor | December 4, 2011 at 7:55 pm
Even at horrid blogs like Fat Grannies, you occasionally find a nugget of worth.
I miss this woman while healthy, and wish there was someone like her now. Damn, we need someone like her.
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GypsyKat | December 4, 2011 at 8:14 pm
You’re making an assumption that I’m an Obama supporter. My curiosity is genuine. I don’t question why ultra conservatives would vote for almost anyone other than Obama. I am wondering why, in this past year, the two least consistent, least conservative candidates have risen to the top over others who have stronger credentials in actions and consistency in stands according to what is supposed to be important to conservatives. Come 2012 I understand the game and we (liberals and conservatives and everything in between) will have to decide whether to a) hold our noses and vote for whatever we deem the lesser of two evils, or b) abstain, or c) throw our votes away either on a write-in or if a third-party candidate runs. My curiosity here, in this thread and commentary, is in the current process of the GOP primary, not the 2012 actual election.
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Tex Taylor | December 4, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Ultra Conservative? In comparison to transsexuals for Obama, or just plain Conservative? Is a adjective required before persuasion, or does ultra Conservative contrast somehow to just plain conservative? Are ULTRA conservatives the mirror image of UBER progressives?
For instance, do you define yourself as UBER progressive, social liberal, European socialist, or just plain Communist?
Maybe the answer you seek is as simple as most of us don’t believe Jon Huntsman as Conservative as you and the host wish us to believe? I certainly don’t for several reasons, some listed above.
But believer in AGW and cap & trade certainly isn’t Ultra Conservative. Neither is calling Obama “remarkable”, which certainly is not only inaccurate, but calls into Hunstman’s judgment and sanity.
That comment alone makes Jon Huntsman not only not remarkable, but incredibly lame.
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GypsyKat | December 4, 2011 at 9:17 pm
And now you’ve explained it. Thanks! As for what I call myself, I’ll go with liberal. The word means nothing in terms of actually describing my ideology, but it’s certainly closer than the current definition of conservative I can cobble together. And makes it easier to slot me into the binary categorization necessary for the media and blogosphere to thrive.
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GypsyKat | December 4, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Oh and Rutherford, thanks for the welcome! Stumbled across a few weeks ago and enjoy the writing style and commentary.
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huckingfypocrites | December 4, 2011 at 10:28 pm
“I am wondering why, in this past year, the two least consistent, least conservative candidates have risen to the top over others who have stronger credentials in actions and consistency in stands according to what is supposed to be important to conservatives.”
Name recognition and perceived electability.
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GypsyKat | December 4, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Huck, I think that says more about the supporting electorate of these people.
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Tex Taylor | December 4, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Binary is fine with me, because you have two diametrically opposed viewpoints of the world. Either you believe in the limited powers of the federal government, or you believe in the extraordinary powers of federal government.
You and others like you have had the opportunity at electing the ideal liberal – the cult of Obama in 2008 matched anything on record I have witnessed in my 50+ years of politics. Fainting in speeches, grandiose promises of performance and transparency, world admiration, the end of an error, sold out football stadiums, a Nobel Peace Prize, the generation you had waited for, the god man who could stop the rising seas, and big government implementation on a scale never seen before, with deficits running 150% more than George Bush.
Conservatives and/or Tea Party members have actively sought out a replacement for Ronald Reagan. And the nominees, elected and unelected, for the last 24 years the candidates have been found wanting. It is far easier to eliminate than to identify in my book. Speaking only for myself, I believe the Washington establishment of the RNC is serving conservatives poorly – hence the rift. I am still searching, and willingly admit neither Newt or Mitt ideal, but far better than that provided four years ago by the RNC/Washington establishment. The selection in 2008 could not have been weaker IMO – in fairness, it would have been difficult for any Republican to win after the collapse of Lehman. Americans are an economically illiterate people and believed the lies and propaganda of ‘It’s George Bush’s fault.’
The groundswell of Tea Party support was in large part in two measures: (1) The ineptness of the establishment’s candidate named John McCain; (2) the reckless, corrupt, arrogant, inept, and foolish policies of Obama. I and many others believe candidates like Ron Paul are unelectable and have inherit weaknesses in foreign policy. I also believe Jon Huntsman unelectable and the candidate that Obama sycophants wish to run against, thereby rendering his possibility of nominee moot. The more men like Rutherford and people like you favor a Republican candidate, the redder the red flag of eliminating him. I think very poorly of the progressive party in its entirety – all of it, and believe you and the millions like you are a pox on American, and destroying this principles of this country faster than any jihadist could dream.
Therefore, this election is as much being the anti-Obama candidate as it is the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan. Newt currently fits that bill.
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It’s pretty simple really why Jon Huntsman has not caught on.
Admittedly, Jon Huntsman has a great resume on paper when groomed by professionals, just as Rutherford’s list suggests. But Huntsman has tacitly identified many tendencies of being a lackey of big government Washington; a RINO – another pox on America. You are free to write Jon Huntsman’s name in since you consider him so highly.
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huckingfypocrites | December 4, 2011 at 11:43 pm
“Huck, I think that says more about the supporting electorate of these people.”
To some extent it does, but it is also just an inherent part of democracy.
It’s a system that doesn’t favor the most qualified. It favors the most popular. In a perfect world we hope the best possess both qualities. But sometimes we have to take what we can get.
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 1:25 am
LOL oh Tex this one sends me to bed tonight with a huge smile on my face.
I can see infant Tex now, reading National Review while eating his Gerber mixed fruit desert and sucking on the bottle.
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Tex Taylor | December 5, 2011 at 1:32 am
However, I’m still giving Obama the benefit of the doubt about adding a trophy to the mantle of worst Ex-President. Unlike the meddling imbecile Carter, I could be wrong. But I think Obama and Michelle Antoinette will be so disdained by all but the Rev. Jeremiah hood by the end of this Presidency, they’ll head back to Trinity to steal and plunder from the poor to continue to live large like their pastor.
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 1:45 am
Huck has pretty much hit it on the head. Name recognition is a big factor here. Sadly, for a moment, that got us Trump.
Speaking of which, bravo to both Huntsman and Paul for telling Trump to shove it. Paul’s campaign chairman put it wonderfully:
The selection of a reality television personality to host a presidential debate that voters nationwide will be watching is beneath the office of the Presidency and flies in the face of that office’s history and dignity.
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Tex Taylor | December 5, 2011 at 2:26 am
Wouldn’t that rule out every soul from CBS, NBC and ABC from ever conducting a forum again?
Ron Paul may have won me over if he had said that while Sam Donaldson, Tom Brokaw and Dan Rather were still working – the very definition of reality TV for 30 years.
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GypsyKat | December 5, 2011 at 2:40 am
“Conservatives and/or Tea Party members have actively sought out a replacement for Ronald Reagan.”
Ronald Reagan, you mean the guy who raised taxes?
“You and others like you have had the opportunity at electing the ideal liberal – ”
For the record, I voted for Obama, but I was an HRC supporter.
“The more men like Rutherford and people like you favor a Republican candidate, the redder the red flag of eliminating him.”
Ah, now I know the strategy of getting you to twist in the wind. Thanks!
“Therefore, this election is as much being the anti-Obama candidate as it is the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan.”
I will wholeheartedly support the many policies of Reagan that you will absolutely rail against. This should be fun.
“you and the millions like you are a pox on American, and destroying this principles of this country faster than any jihadist could dream.”
Commentary on this blog should be fun as you discover more about me.
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huckingfypocrites | December 5, 2011 at 3:21 am
“beneath the office of the Presidency and flies in the face of that office’s history and dignity.”
I hope whoever we end up with remembers what this is all about. That SCOAMF we have now sure doesn’t.
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Pfesser | December 5, 2011 at 10:05 am
GypsyKat -
Welcome! As someone who seems to be able to examine both sides of an argument, you won’t fit in any better than poolman and I do. Glad for some company!
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Pfesser | December 5, 2011 at 10:12 am
“Either you believe in the limited powers of the federal government, or you believe in the extraordinary powers of federal government.”
GypsyKat -
I think that describes the mindset pretty well. You’re fer me or agin’ me. You believe everything I believe or you are improperly motivated and beneath contempt. You’re idealogically pure or you are my enemy. Questions like, “What exactly do you mean by ‘limited’ and ‘extraordinary?’” are brushed aside as distractions. It’s called “thinking on the first level.” Second and third levels, unintended consequences, possible missteps fomented by zealotry are never considered – kind of like an American Taliban.
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Tex Taylor | December 5, 2011 at 11:22 am
A completely unedifying and amoral hater of specifically Christianity like Pfesser – calling somebody a zealot and American Taliban? Pfesser, the Mr. Madalyn Murray O’Hair of the blogosphere? That’s got to be comedy! That’s like Obama accusing someone of narcissism.
So let’s make sure this American Taliban gets this tiered thinking straight? You and your zany loons of Alaskan moonbat bloggers, running naked while filming porn, howling at the moon to seek and and destroy the ‘The Dominion’ and anything cruciate, are moderate diplomats and new neopagan Nelson Mandelas, hey? Apostles for diplomacy and free speech, free thought, and human right’s advocates? I assume as long as the “it” denies the existence of God and advocates for the elimination of QE3?
The mere mention of public worship turning you into a apoplectic wolf man, foaming at the mouth, accusations from world domination to Jerry Falwell Crusades? Threats of martyrdom with screeches of “give us wall of separation” or “give us death” speeches on the diagnostic imaging steps?
Is that “third tier” thinking you speak?
There’s got to be some script for a movie here someplace.
Can you do us all a favor this time so we can dispense without nausea while addressing you, Pfesser?
You vacillate from complete, irreligious prick to little boy tantrum when your feelings are hurt, and it gets so confusing when addressing your profound sensibilities and moodiness. Can you quit with the whining and pleading “about” fighting and personal attacks when you’re calling us the American Taliban? Perhaps learn to suck it up and play by your own second and third tier rules?
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Tex Taylor | December 5, 2011 at 11:37 am
For the record, I voted for Obama, but I was an HRC supporter.
Okay. A misandrist but still Obama with a penchant for the right wing conspiracy. What a monster.
“The more men like Rutherford and people like you favor a Republican candidate, the redder the red flag of eliminating him.”
Ah, now I know the strategy of getting you to twist in the wind. Thanks!
That would assume you smart enough to manipulate us. So far, your commentary is far cry from that.
“Therefore, this election is as much being the anti-Obama candidate as it is the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan.”
I will wholeheartedly support the many policies of Reagan that you will absolutely rail against. This should be fun.
Way late to the game. Rutherford and Poolman have tried and tried with all kinds of strategery to now equating Obama and Reagan. Would you like to take my bet with 1000-1 odds that Obama doesn’t duplicate the 1984 election, though “his poll numbers are just like Reagan’s!”? I haven’t found a pinko from the left that who has taken me up on that very generous offer.
If you can multiply the debt to equity ratio like Reagan did – the antithesis of Hillary Rotten and Obama’s shrinking economy and workforce – say create about $85 trillion of net worth, being Zero is racking up $4.2 billion a day in debt and that’s what it would take to make the record comparable, I might even vote for Stump Shrillary. Have you ever seen a women with bigger legs accompanied by those small a titties?
I got to thinking the other day, if we give Zero another term and he can continue to shrink the economy to the point the only people counted in the employment numbers are employed, can you imagine the historical record you clowns guys and gals could brag about for years to come?
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Tex Taylor | December 5, 2011 at 11:39 am
This may have been my favorite political humor of all time.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-hillarykfc.htm
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Tex Taylor | December 5, 2011 at 12:11 pm
“R”, you know how you are always going off about us Taliban “hating” on Obama, seeking out that to destroy him?
A little ironic, don’t you think? In the middle of you and President Angel trying to exploit OWS, President Angel has seen it fit derail bank prosecutions in numbers since not seen since, well since evil George Bush Sr. and Jr. were but a apple in our eye? Now, would that appear to you to be playing both sides of the fence?
This made 60 Minutes by the way, you always thinking us hyper partisan and unfair toward Saint Obama. Though I didn’t see it, I believe this was on CBS last night.
http://www.newgeography.com/content/002555-wall-street-plays-occupy-white-house
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Huck, regarding SCOAMF, thank you so much for expanding my vocabulary. I learn so much on this blog!
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 12:15 pm
LOL I wholeheartedly agree. I’m looking forward to seeing more of Kat’s contributions.
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 12:21 pm
I’ve twice heard in the past couple of days a great description of Newt Gingrich.
“Newt Gingrich is a stupid man’s idea of what a smart person sounds like.”
CLASSIC.
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poolman | December 5, 2011 at 12:23 pm
“strategery”
Tex’s Bushisms crack me up.
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Tex you’re preaching to the converted. I’ve never claimed Obama to be a legit foe of Wall Street. So far the only one with any credibility on this issue appears to be Elizabeth Warren and I’m hoping her bubble does not burst as she gets deeper into the slime of American politics.
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poolman | December 5, 2011 at 12:33 pm
I finally had to turn on the heat this weekend. We had a cold snap and it got chilly. Dang winter anyway. It’s only 40 degrees out there! How’s a poolman to survive? I’m going have to wear long pants and a jacket. I don’t know how you guys do it.
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poolman | December 5, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Rutherford,
I can’t believe they’ve run Newt up the flagpole. That is a sure sign of desperation. I’m certain it will be short-lived, given the amount of time we have before the actual election. It’s probably part of the overall script. Maybe Santorum is next. Otherwise WHAT is he still doing there?
If they want to lose credibility (assuming they still have some to lose), they’ll keep touting Newt as a legitimate candidate.
I swear these reality shows get more and more ridiculous all the time.
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Tex Taylor | December 5, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Ever wonder what kind of mindless hubris it takes from hacks like Journolist and Rutherford…
Routed by historical proportions two years into our first affirmative action President, discovering the ‘profundity’ of Yes We Can! an epic failure every step of the way, caught in numerous lies and distortions and corruptions even aided by a sycophantic media, the only semblance of successes later proven dishonest and distorted like better employment numbers by a shrinking workforce…
it would take to make this statement after we’ve now had a look at the sheer intellect of Corpse Man Obama? snicker….
May I remind our host it wasn’t Newt’s fans who peed in their pants, fainted at the speeches of we are the ones in front of Styrofoam columns, free gas and rent a distant memory, believing they were past beanie wienies and now unemployed?
One wonders. Didn’t these same people tell us how brilliant Obama was three years ago? Of course, later it was discovered a copy of Barack’s personalized law letters, grammatically illiterate and sounding something like a Snoop Dogg rap lyric?
I may have understood the vanity in 2008 as is the nature of the government downtrodden and dependent when they could masquerade without record? Surely that could at least be tolerated, though not understood. But now? Arrogant and boastful? The logic escapes even me, one who believes virtually all liberals are dishonest slugs, too lazy to steal – so they let Barack do it for them.
And Rutherford, the man of infinite incorrect prediction, is joining them?
We apparently are going to see just how stupid we stupid people really are when stupid Newt lines up to debate against the greatest orator of our time – with an assist from the teleprompter. Bring a spare plug.
Oh, I’ve got to set this one to memory.
This will play so sweet in about eleven months. Far, far better than the Whigs.
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poolman | December 5, 2011 at 1:01 pm
God Bless Juneau Joe from “fat grannies” for this link…
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Tex Taylor | December 5, 2011 at 1:16 pm
————
This Thanksgiving, Barack Obama reminds us that we will come out of these hard times together as one nation and that better days are ahead. ~ Rutherford Lawson, Obama Video Address: November 29, 2008
So, how incredibly ironic that more than a century after the end of slavery, tonight this country resoundingly turned to a black man to fix our economy! We also are turning to him to fix our self esteem. We have agreed to trade cynicism for hope. We have said enough to politics as usual. We have said enough to talking one way but walking another. We have said enough to divisiveness over foolish artificial differences. ~ Rutherford Lawson, America Says Enough, Nov. 5, 2008
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Oh, how the vain have fallen. Gawd, it is a hoot to have observed and have played a small but significant part of correcting the smug, snark and arrogance of a man evaporate in three short years with his own words. I could write a book of humor about the early days of Rutherford Lawson versus the reality of the political universe – the cocksure nature, the haughty disposition, the hubris, now laid to waste in ash.
Dust in the Wind…
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El Tigre | December 5, 2011 at 1:54 pm
R, you are like the Rain Man of getting it wrong. You know, there might be some use for you at the craps tables.
I honestly can’t think of a single prediction or assessment you have gotten right. The 26 minutes was. . . well. . . predictable. I wonder if some cosmic force would give us the opposite results if you keep you mouth shut. Hell, we might have wound up with Hunstman or an OWS candidate.
So now it’s Poolman, PF and Rutherford against the world!
(of course R’s endorsement is the kiss of death for that unholy alliance).
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Poolman that TV Nation clip is indeed a classic. Hypocrisy from Newt right on down to the average citizen. Yeah, it’s those lazy folks on welfare causing the problem … a whole 1% of the problem!!!! LOL
Tex etal, dislike Mike Moore all you want (I don’t much like him either) but there’s no denying this video. If you can’t see how full of sh*t most people are then you’re just playing dumb.
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 2:11 pm
This is where you and Sarah Palin have something in common. “How’s that hopey changey thing workin’ for ya?” — A cruel smack at people who were idealistic and had hope.
You might not be so much a smart-ass if you truly understood how disillusioned and heart-broken so many Obama supporters are. What you interpreted as hubris was a sincere and near-violent hope for a better day. I will agree we drank the koolaid but our hearts were in the right place and we stand here now feeling pretty empty.
Obama has not been a complete failure as you suggest all the time, but he has fallen far short of what we’d hoped for. The entire experience confirms for me why I didn’t even follow politics to any great degree pre-2007. It’s a game of broken promises, regardless of party.
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Tigre, you’re actually wrong. Cain was DOA and I always knew that. He was not going to be the nominee. I’ve just tried to play very fair with him because I didn’t like some of the anti-Cain stuff coming out.
Newt Gingrich will self destruct. I’m not sure he can do it before January 3 so he might do ok in Iowa. But he will self destruct. You will NEVER see President Newt. Take that to the bank.
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thorsaurus | December 5, 2011 at 2:29 pm
“Saw a Stockton is on your team? Looked like a baby – and pretty damn good too. Chip off the old block?” – Tex
Exactly. He looks just like his dad, minus the nasty eighties short-shorts. Great court vision but he’s so small. Most elite teams have huge point guards. His ass might get worn out in this stretch before
conference play.
The amazing thing in that Texas- USC game was that everybody knew what was coming from Texas. I mean, the Condoms had a month to prepare for Young, and they still couldn’t stop him. Football is such a team game, you rarely see one player impose his will on the other team like that. Almost Jordan-esque.
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huckingfypocrites | December 5, 2011 at 2:30 pm
I have pretty much decided I won’t vote for Newt Gingrich…even against Obama.
I don’t like Newt. At all. I wasn’t a big fan before he snuggled with SanFranNan, but that killed it.
If he is on the ballot against Obama, I will write in “none of the above”
I will hold my nose and pull for Mitt, but not Newt.
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thorsaurus | December 5, 2011 at 2:49 pm
[“I am tired of carrying all the tax load,” Bertsch said. “I renew 13 licenses here every year just so I can spend money in this city.”
Bertsch makes no attempt to conceal his frustration with the costs government imposes on small businesses like his.
“Government is killing small business. We used to have 24 employees at our peak. Now, all of those people who used to work here are in unemployment lines,” he said.]
Tex, you are too much. Do you even read the articles you source? Bertsch is a commissioner on the Benton PUD. They just announced a service (tax) rate increase for 2012. He IS the government that imposes costs on small businesses. What a douche. (Bertsch, not you.)
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thorsaurus | December 5, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Obama is about to speak. Better go get my Pee-Wee Herman signature raincoat out.
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poolman | December 5, 2011 at 3:26 pm
I know Tex won’t go here, but the story is a good and important one.
Dylan Ratigan touched on it. The Fed has got to go. 14 trillion plus of “our” money to bail out the world, folks. I’m skeptical when it comes to David Duke based entirely on his past record and ideology, but his is one clip included here that is very good.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/05/right-on-dylan-ratigan-get-the-money-out-of-politics/
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El Tigre | December 5, 2011 at 3:33 pm
“You will NEVER see President Newt. Take that to the bank.”
And so it’s Newt!
R, the Cain prediction was 26 minutes — no denying it Ms. Cleo. He did prove something else you got wrong too. That the grassroots conservative base is not racist as you and your MSNBC “ilk” smugly chanted until recently.
I would be ashamed had I supported skittle-shiting over substance too. Try as you might, you cannot project that back on us. As my secretary says, “that’s a ‘YP’ not a ‘MP’.”
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El Tigre | December 5, 2011 at 3:47 pm
You know R, in all sincerity, your mistaken belief that your politics constitute virtue means you will forever be disappointed with the outcome. All of that “hope and change” yes we can” hero worship shit was shallow, chest-thumping, self-righteous, affirmation for the easily mislead was the opposite of virtue. Get over yourself.
I had hoped you had an epiphany. It seems I underestimated the power of rationalization.
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Pfesser | December 5, 2011 at 3:58 pm
GypsyKat -
That’s how you do it. I don’t do it too often because it’s just too easy. I should be ashamed of myself, I guess…LOL
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thorsaurus | December 5, 2011 at 3:58 pm
“Newt Gingrich will self destruct. I’m not sure he can do it before January 3 so he might do ok in Iowa. But he will self destruct. You will NEVER see President Newt. Take that to the bank.” – R
I see it the other way around. Iowa is a caucus, requiring a serrogate in each precinct to sway voters in person. Newt’s quick rise in the polls is increasing expectations, but does he have time to translate that push into actual precinct victories? Unless he’s more disciplined than he appears, I would guess not. But if he can survive Iowa and N.H., South Carolina and Florida are his for the taking. If that happens it’s game on. Romney will have to trade in his mittens for brass knuckles.
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Tex Taylor | December 5, 2011 at 4:00 pm
And you might not be so assured in your convictions if you remembered it was me who told you when I first “met” you that Obama would be an unmitigated disaster. I told you Obama was nothing but a facade and a puppet, a product of black liberal theology which is nothing but sheer politics and race pimping for personal enrichment. The entire guiding philosophical principle is self gain and self-aggrandizement, straight out of the bowels of hell.
You naturally waved off my charges as partisan politic, and racist, and gamesmanship – me, just a heartland bumpkin, not sophisticated enough to understand the greatness and the nuance of Mr. Obama. Did I give you too much credit, mistakenly believing you were smarter than that, and simply caught up in the moment? Were you really so naive to believe that this promised savior of questionable and unknown character could restore us with platitudes and cliche, false promises he could no more keep than he could stop the rising tides? Do you have any idea how gullible you looked then, and how foolish you look now?
Obama is just a symptom – the problem is liberalism and its basic tenets. The same reason Hillary Clinton would be an equally big failure, with an even nastier tone. And you still haven’t figured that out. Lipstick on a pig.
Exactly what has the last three years of aggregate failure won you, Rutherford? Need I remind you that virtually every second term in our history has been less successful than the first? Are you still so gullible and stubborn, you’ll bleed out believing Obama will be the exception to this rule? You think it can’t get worse than this?
I went further and predicted your political philosophy would be a disaster for both the Democratic party and a 100% recipe for economic disaster at the worst possible time. I told you I would wait, that I was sure Keynesian economics was a misguided ruse, that government not the answer and Reagan was right, that Western Europe a failed model to follow. And I have reminded you of Obama’s failures every step of the way – treatment I had learned at the hand of liberalism. How does feel? What’s it like to be able not to deny Barack Obama is nothing but a packed football stadium of smoke and empty rhetoric? Money talks, and bullshit reads a teleprompter with a flair. Restore our economy, end the division, and heal our land. Feh! Cue up John Lennon – it would be as realistic.
Frankly, half of America disgusts me anymore. Anytime I see some Obama 2012 sticker on a car, it makes me retch – a visceral hatred of your mindset, your politics, your humanist tendencies and the hostility toward my faith, and the multitude of vicious lies that helped bring this empty suit and his bullying, conniving groupies to such positions of authority.
I really wish I could believe that. But I don’t. Not then, and certainly not now. After all we’ve been through under Obama, you have learned nothing. Obama wasn’t “liberal” enough is the conclusion you have drawn. If only there had been more stimulus, or a single payer system. If only the Republicans hadn’t been obstructionists. If only Bush hadn’t pushed us over such a cliff, or we inherited GITMO and tax cuts and and and…blah…blah…blah.
There is no way your hearts were in the right place in 2008. You were looking for blood. You demonized for years, you attempted to destroy, you harassed, you actively sought ways to hurt friend and ally, lending every tool at hand to the cause. And you’re left with Poolman and Rachel Maddow. How does it feel?
Frankly, I hope you do feel empty. You earned every bit of the despair and have reaped the whirlwinds of what you helped sow. Now you can live with its consequences, and maybe, just maybe, you will have learned a hard but very valuable lesson. But I doubt it.
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Tex Taylor | December 5, 2011 at 4:05 pm
I have never heard of the word serrogate. I have heard of the word surrogate.
Is that slang?
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huckingfypocrites | December 5, 2011 at 4:14 pm
“I really wish I could believe that. But I don’t. Not then, and certainly not now. After all we’ve been through under Obama, you have learned nothing. Obama wasn’t “liberal” enough is the conclusion you have drawn. If only there had been more stimulus, or a single payer system. If only the Republicans hadn’t been obstructionists. If only Bush hadn’t pushed us over such a cliff, or we inherited GITMO and tax cuts and and and…blah…blah…blah.”
He’s right. The only problems liberals have with Obama is that his failed policies didn’t go far enough…not that they were shit ideas in the first place.
Rutherford has tipped that he is going to endorse a candidate pretty soon. I predict he is going to publicly endorse Huntsman, who he knows won’t even make it to the plate, just so he can justify to himself and the rest of us why he is going to do what he has planned on doing all along — vote for Barack Obama…again.
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Speaking of which, I think Reince Priebus (the RNC chair) bears a resemblance to Pee Wee if Pee Wee put on a few pounds.
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Tigre, you need to fire your secretary.
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 4:24 pm
BTW, Tigre what is the 26 minutes you keep referring to? As I said earlier, every signal I got from that live event said he was staying in. It was the most bizarre drop out I’ve ever witnessed.
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 4:32 pm
One thing clearly established is that many of you belong to a bunch of cynics whose lofty cries of patriotism demolish against the rocks of skepticism of the potential for change and a satisfaction with the status quo that keeps the rich rich and keeps you screwed.
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Tex Taylor | December 5, 2011 at 4:37 pm
Dear Abby,
I have always wanted to have my family history traced, but I can’t afford to spend a lot of money to do it. Any suggestions?
Sam in California
Dear Sam, register as a Republican, and run for public office.
Abby
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 4:37 pm
Thor isn’t it ironic that Newt might have SC and FL in his back pocket? Ain’t that the region of family values and total rejection of Washington elites? Newt fails on both counts.
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thorsaurus | December 5, 2011 at 4:46 pm
“Obama has not been a complete failure as you suggest all the time, but he has fallen far short of what we’d hoped for. The entire experience confirms for me why I didn’t even follow politics to any great degree pre-2007. It’s a game of broken promises, regardless of party.” – R
An old partisan would tell you, the work doesn’t end after the election, it starts. Have you been writing to your representatives, e-mailing the President? Chew him out if you need to, but stay engaged. It’s your best “hope”.
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Wrong. But quite frankly I may back off the endorsement altogether because the more I delve into the potential recipient of my largess, the less “there” is there. I love the guy’s rhetoric but I’m not sure I see a cohesive plan yet.
Plus, he stands zero chance of getting the nomination so it would be a throwaway endorsement. (Hint: he has not participated in any of the GOP debates. So you can now resist your urge to suggest Paul in place of Huntsman.)
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Tex … funny Dear Abby note but I assume you’re referencing something specific. What headline did I miss?
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Tex Taylor | December 5, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Seldom twice in on day, even in the bizarro world of the Rutherford Lawson blog, do I see Ivy liberals like Rutherford and neo-pagan vainglorious like Pfesser project against their enemies while so vividly and accurately providing caricature of self.
I thought “G.D. WALL OF SEPARATION!” Pfesser this morning condemning zealots was like a Far Side cartoon, until I just read this beauty from Rutherford talking about Republican satisfaction with the status quo.
To me almost $200,000,000 of America debt incurred per hour accompanied by a shrinking job market and higher unemployment, government run health care, an our first American hating First
Horse’s AssLady is a far cry from where we’ve been and were we want to go.363.
huckingfypocrites | December 5, 2011 at 5:05 pm
“One thing clearly established is that many of you belong to a bunch of cynics…”
I think “realists” is the word you were looking for.
You have already admitted you drank an unrealistic flavor of Kool-Aid, so I don’t think those that warned you of that all along should be labelled “cynics.”
“…whose lofty cries of patriotism demolish against the rocks of skepticism of the potential for change…”
You still don’t get it. There was NEVER “a potential for change.” All there EVER was was Obama’s empty suit spouting empty promises to empty heads who soaked up his bullshit like a dry sponge soaks up water….Or Kool-Aid, as the case may be.
“…and a satisfaction with the status quo that keeps the rich rich and keeps you screwed.”
Yeah, that’s why the Tea Party sprang up. To show its satisfaction with the status quo.
Now who’s being a cynic?
“Tex … funny Dear Abby note but I assume you’re referencing something specific. What headline did I miss?”
Probably this one. Which would speak directly to his point.
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El Tigre | December 5, 2011 at 5:11 pm
“Tigre, you need to fire your secretary.”
Never. She says that to other side.
Now R, the 26 minutes is just another failed prediction. You are uncanny in that way. Seriously. I want you in Vegas. I honestly, honestly can’t think of a single prediction you’ve gotten right.
To be clear, the “but we acted with good intentions” mantra is just lame. First, no your don’t. You like most libs I had to suffer through 2008 with pounded your chest like the triumphant oppressed getting their turn to be oppressor. You acted like idiots. Second, attempting to excuse you desire for the continuation of this shit-storm by say “I can’t help myself, I am a good person and you are cynical ” is childish cognitive dissonance.
Seriously, get over yourself. If you dripped of benevolence, you’d do more than expect all of your desired “change ” to come from pulling a lever in the voting booth.
The road to hell is paved with. . . ah, forget it. Michael Jackson couldn’t create a separate reality out of the the Peter Pan delusion either. In the end he proved needy, pathetic and self-destructive.
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Tex Taylor | December 5, 2011 at 5:20 pm
Hopefully, about the time Huntsman stands up to answer a question on the Republican forum, somebody will ask him about the appalling revelations of Climate Gate 2, and why he Jon Huntsman is in favor of cap & tax again.
AGW alarmists can now hang themselves at their leisure.
That’s got to sting. :twist:
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thorsaurus | December 5, 2011 at 5:29 pm
“I have never heard of the word serrogate. I have heard of the word surrogate.
Is that slang?” – Tex
It was bound to happen sooner or later. F********CK!
Honestly, I’m happy for you Tex. (Now you’ve got me spell checking “honestly”)
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Tex Taylor | December 5, 2011 at 5:42 pm
You are welcome Thor. Glad I can help you from CapiTOL Hill.
Actually, you’re not such a bad guy – confused, dimwitted about finance and economics, a possible Obama groupie/appeaser/waterboy, and a minor lib player but not completely off the rocker.
But anybody that talk college basketball can’t be a bad guy.
And I do like college basketball.
Does this bowl season suck, or what? I bitch about OSU getting a screwing? It’s not that I think OSU better than Alabama – I just think it would be a more entertaining game and closer than people think.
But how would you like to be Boise State at this minute? What dungeon do they get to play in for being 11-1? Or Baylor? Whoopee! Hey guys! We get to travel down I-35 a hundred miles in a Grayhound to play in San Antonio!
I’ll bet they’ll be really fired up to practice for four weeks.
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thorsaurus | December 5, 2011 at 6:16 pm
(Hint: he has not participated in any of the GOP debates. So you can now resist your urge to suggest Paul in place of Huntsman.) – R
That means it must be Perry. “Oops” doesn’t really count as participation, does it?
I’m guessing it’s Roemer.
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thorsaurus | December 5, 2011 at 6:55 pm
Actually, you’re not such a bad guy – confused, dimwitted about finance and economics, a possible Obama [Bush] groupie/appeaser/waterboy, and a minor lib [rightie] player but not completely off the rocker.
Yin-yang. Tex-Thor. It’s a thin line.
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 7:46 pm
LOL Thor, Perry is technically a good answer to my mystery question.
OK, since I’m probably not going to publish my heretofore hinted at endorsement …. yes you guessed it.
Think about this my blog buddies …. why should a “qualification” for participating in a Pres debate be how much money you’ve raised? That indeed was one disqualifying cut against Roemer. He’s right to call a foul.
The man has congressional and gubernatorial experience and yet he sat in total isolation while Herman Cain wasted our time for months on end. I’m sorry, there is something wrong with that picture.
For some reason, I get a bit of a wacko feel from Gary Johnson (also better qualified than Cain) but when it comes to Roemer I like the message. He’s focused on getting the money out of gov’t decisions. Poor ass won’t accept more than $100.00 donation from any individual and will not form a PAC or superPAC. In so doing, he put himself out of contention for debate participation.
The reason I’m backing off the official RL endorsement is that my initial perusal of his web site doesn’t reveal much depth. It feels more like voting for a personality and not a solution. I shall continue to research him but I don’t think I’ll go “public” with anything “official”.
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Rutherford | December 5, 2011 at 7:55 pm
Regarding 365 it might sting more if I knew your source.
Tex, I’m gonna offer you a theory that’s a slight variation on what I sprung on my wife yesterday (damn near got me thrown out of the house).
Maybe climate change theories are a bit like God? It’s man’s invention because he just can’t admit that he doesn’t know what the f*ck is going on and if he constructs some scientific boogeyman then he has something he can “solve” rather than admitting to his true powerlessness when dealing with Mother Nature.
Chew on that a bit. Damn … maybe we might end up agreeing on climate change “science”.
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thorsaurus | December 5, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Thor’s Hypothetical first round bowl game brackets.
LSU vs. Michigan St.
Kansas St. vs. S. Carolina
Stanford vs. Oklahoma
Michigan vs. Oregon
Baylor vs. Boise St.
OSU vs. Clemson
Wisconsin vs. Arkansas
Alabama vs. Georgia
And that’s just the first weekend. If these brackets went chalk, LSU and Bama would still end up meeting in the championship game. But the process would be more legit and a hell of a lot more fun.
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poolman | December 5, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Dang. I like that Buddy Roemer. I just visited his site and watched his “Goldman friggin’ Sachs” video. I had never heard of the guy. He’s got some good ideas. He beats the pants out of most of those other yahoos.
I guess the liberal media has kept him down.
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thorsaurus | December 5, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Maybe climate change theories are a bit like God? It’s man’s invention because he just can’t admit that he doesn’t know what the f*ck is going on – R
First you pseudo-endorse an ex Dem for the Republican’t nomination, and then … God is man’s invention? Unless Gypsy flies in to deflect some arrows, you could be in for a rough night.
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thorsaurus | December 5, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Isn’t Coca-Cola based in Atlanta? Looks like E.T. has some occupying to do. Get the sharpies ready.
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thorsaurus | December 5, 2011 at 9:45 pm
“I guess the liberal media has kept him down” – P
Good one Poolman. Damn liberals at Fox, not allowing him on stage.
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El Tigre | December 5, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Thorazine, that’s awesome. Now if that little bit of propaganda ain’t proof that the your “science” is b.s., there’s no hope for you.
Any chance you drive a Subaru?
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El Tigre | December 5, 2011 at 10:42 pm
And the target audience responds:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204012004577070521211375302.html
Hahahahahahahahaahah!
You can’t make this shit up.
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Tex Taylor | December 5, 2011 at 10:45 pm
I thought I remembered Buddy. What do you know? An apparent Dim with a few scruples — kind of a throwback before the Dims went to the dark side of liberalism.
And you would pull the Buddy ticket about the same time I pulled the lever for Zero.
I think we’ve worn you down Rutherford, but I feel confident you will catch your second Obama smoke and mirror wind routine come January.
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El Tigre | December 5, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Thor, have you switched from Pepsi?
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Tex Taylor | December 5, 2011 at 11:33 pm
Thor, I would settle for just a plus one. That way, they can keep their precious bowl games, and we can get a pretty good idea on the field.
LSU vs Stanford – Alabama vs. OSU
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 2:08 am
I thought you would Poolman. If I could combine Paul’s foreign policy with Roemer’s money message, I’d have the perfect candidate.
But again, I’d need to better understand Roemer’s specific plans before I could jump on the train.
You know why he never shows up on any GOP nominee polls? It’s not because he registers below 1%. It is because he is never on the freakin’ polls as a choice. People can’t select someone not on the poll.
The man has literally been shut out of the race by the powers that be. I’ve seen him interviewed on MSNBC and the interviewers almost look ashamed at the fact that they’ve given him no press while they obsessively follow the likes of a Herman Cain or Donald Trump.
What’s more, this is not some joke like “the rent is too damn high” candidate from earlier in the year. This is a legit guy who’s held serious elected positions. He’s also successfully run a bank without any government bailout money.
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 2:11 am
Hey Poolman, since you’re our resident conspiracy theorist, how much have you read about the Denver airport? I watched a conspiracy spoof on The Colbert Report tonight that mentioned that all sorts of theories revolve around the Denver airport playing into a doomsday scenario. What say you?
“The truth is out there.”
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 2:15 am
LOL Thor you have to understand that comment plays into my history with Tex. Every now and then I give him a religious poke, he calls me a punk, and we move on.
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 2:18 am
Thor from what I’ve heard, Coca Cola had to back off this plan because dumbass consumers thought the new packaging signaled a different drink mix (like the New Coke of old).
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 2:19 am
Sorry Tigre, I hadn’t clicked your link before posting 385. You beat me to it.
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huckingfypocrites | December 6, 2011 at 2:40 am
Occupy Long Beach just ran off the cops looking to evict them.
The police were going to cite a particular law the protesters were violating, but they couldn’t find their paperwork with the law.
The protesters produced their own paperwork from some city official that basically had guidelines the police were and were not supposed to do regarding the protesters. The protesters said the police were breaking one of them, and in turn, breaking a trust between them and the city.
The police then left. Now there is a police helicopter circling above.
Fascinating…..
Live stream link
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GypsyKat | December 6, 2011 at 3:33 am
WRT:
“Welcome! As someone who seems to be able to examine both sides of an argument, you won’t fit in any better than poolman and I do. Glad for some company!
LOL I wholeheartedly agree. I’m looking forward to seeing more of Kat’s contributions.”
Awww, thanks. Work is kicking my butt this week but looking forward to contributing more!
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GypsyKat | December 6, 2011 at 3:35 am
“First you pseudo-endorse an ex Dem for the Republican’t nomination, and then … God is man’s invention? Unless Gypsy flies in to deflect some arrows, you could be in for a rough night. ”
But god is a man’s invention!
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pfesser53 | December 6, 2011 at 8:04 am
“First Horse’s Ass Lady”
I prefer to think of it as an “onion bottom.” So round and firm it makes you want to cry.
C’mon Rutherford! Help me out here! You claim to have some black blood…d’on let ‘em diss the sistas like that!
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 9:13 am
But
godman isa man’sGod’s invention!Did I fail to mention that even HRottenC and Zero disagree with your lunacy? What’s a militant neo-pagan to do in American politics?
At least they are in word – but not in deed, as they are prized students of
BaalSaul Alinsky. Ironically, the liberals on this board are actually more honest in their denial than HRottenC and Zero.You pagan guys and gals could go one further and nominate Rev. Jeremiah Wright for your candidate, just in case you’re wrong and he is right.
God Bless America…
OH WAIT!
P.S. – It will be an interesting exercise to watch in the coming weeks Gypsy. Thrown yesterday into the think tank of deep thought like The Tool ™ is the apogee of human achievement. Real walking on the moon stuff (with E.T.).
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 9:24 am
“I’m Barack Obama, and George Soros approved this message.”
White House and Think Progress merger complete
If you thought Dimocrats and their lackey media had reached rock bottom in 2008, you were mistaken. Nice, brief synopsis of the extremist links with source between Puppet Zero and King George (Soros).
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Raji | December 6, 2011 at 10:48 am
Comment #378 “You can’t make this shit up.”
OMG That article is hilarious. Explains it all!
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 10:53 am
The problem with Think Progress is their smears work for the uninitiated, i.e. every liberal. No wonder Obama allies himself with them. Even R spews their garbage (after it’s amplified by MSNBC of course).
Ever time I see the product of the liberal machinery, I think of R’s rants about “scary” right wing hate speech he blamed for the Giffords shooting. Useful idiots indeed.
But hey, I saw Huntsman bash Trump in a clip this morning on the Imus show. It was good. Hunstman sounded like he grew “one.” Having “one” of course will help him distance the base of liberal pussies stoked by MSNBC propaganda.
It was especially funny listening to . . . get this. . . Sharpton talking about Trump and Gingrich exploiting the media environment to further their own agendas. That’s right. MSNBC’s latest acquisition, Sharpton, referring to someone else as a media whore.
Fucking Sharpton.
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 10:54 am
“aligns himself”
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 11:05 am
Well Raji, not so fast. There’s proof:
Remember when the we had “clear” cola during the last wave of “socially/environmentally conscious” marketing gimmicks?
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 11:14 am
“Thor from what I’ve heard, Coca Cola had to back off this plan because dumbass consumers thought the new packaging signaled a different drink mix (like the New Coke of old).”
R, you’re just a science denier. Just like melting Himalayan mountain tops and slowly-drowning polar bears praying that you buy a Prius before the ice beneath them melts completely, the science is right there for you to see!
She was blindfolded R. You saw what happened. Deny it all you want, but the scientific evidence is right there. And since you’re not a scientist and she obviously is, you are presumptively ignorant and biased. Ask Krugman.
(oh wait, you’re an unquestioning democrat — wrong set of rules).
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 11:25 am
That IS funny. What did they say in grade school? “Takes one to know one”
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 11:25 am
That’s them “god” fearing Dimocratic religious folk speaking there. Rutherford and The Tool ™ drink that MSNBC Jim Jones juice down like water every day like it is a sacrament. They probably rest on their knees with the TV tuned.
Heck Tigre. Standard TV fare for liberal talk shows.
Don’t you remember during serial rapist President Slick Clinton’s coverup of a stained blue dress, who Slick’s marriage counselor was?
The Most (Ir) Reverend Jesse Jackson!
That’s no shit – marriage counseling to the serial rapist from a notorious serial philanderer, aka race hustler.
All the while, the “Rainbow” Coalition
shakedown artistfounder was embezzling “Rainbow” funds to pay for his love child.Now that is the kind of shit you can’t make up.
And to demonstrate just how deep the stooge media is in the liberal coverups, who had to break that story? ABC, CBS, NBC? Why no….
The National Enquirer.
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 11:30 am
Looks like George Soros, aka Tex “boy” Taylor, visited M&H this morning and left a few “morsels” on the porch.
Security! 
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 11:35 am
Tex, let’s not forget that one must atone for racial insensitivity by paying a visit to Jackson too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJhPLGMhRuQ&feature=related
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 11:44 am
Ol’ “Himey Town” Jackson. Wonder when he’ll join the lineup on MSNBC.
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 11:54 am
Oh come on. You guys are the conspiracy theorists. I’m just trying to get to the truth. There is generally a good reason for the suspicions. It is especially suspect when investigators mysteriously disappear or die. That list is HUGE. Most of the time they just label them “Charlie Sheen” and go about their business.
At least with the 9/11 “conspiracy” we’ve reached a tipping point where more people believe the hanky panky DID occur.
There IS plenty regarding Denver. I haven’t really dug into it, but with the sources I read, it gets mentioned a lot. Supposedly a huge underground “world” associated with the NWO. Of course, we have plenty of other underground facilities in other areas of our nation that are for the most part “classified”. The stuff we know and can readily read about is a tip of a very big iceberg.
Do your own research. But hurry. Plenty of links that I have seen have been taken down. Unknown regarding Denver, as I really haven’t pursued that story. But there is an active effort to remove evidences. So far, the internet is still open.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 11:56 am
Apologize….
I hadn’t seen that. That was pretty damn funny. Where is that love child of Reverend Jesse Jackson? How much you figured Jesse embezzled to keep her quit? You can’t say Jessssee, without the hiss.
Honestly, if the Dimocratic party hadn’t been taken over by Libs and ruining the earth in the process, I would vote to keep them around for just the humorous anecdotes.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 11:57 am
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 12:00 pm
What’s the latest scoop on Area 51, The Tool ™
Look at the bright side, Poolman. I actually found somebody as hopeless at math as you are at FGs. Did you like my new name?
George Soros Love Helen… ?
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 12:07 pm
What’s Area 51?
I WAS looking at the bright side.
I like the new name. But you tutoring math IS funny.
Did you get a new calculator? One with bigger keys?
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 12:16 pm
You guys don’t really drink Coke or Pepsi, do you? I mean that stuff IS bad for you. There is no good. It is more damaging to humans than most illegal drugs. The scientific proof is there. And we provide them in our public schools.
Aside from the health problems, haven’t you heard of the many corporate abuses? Ever heard of Killer Coke? I used to have stock in Coca Cola that was actually making money. I dumped it when I found out more about the company. Not worth the karma.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 12:27 pm
As a matter of fact, I did Tool ™ – giant keys complete with former advertisements from bankrupt pool cleaners I found at the flea market.
And still the numbers calculated exactly as how I had added them in my head. Go figure….
You’re insults are so bad, that it is insulting in the attempt to be insulted by your lame insults. Trading insults with you makes me feel like I’m kicking out the crutches of the lame.
NWO and DIA, hey? Did you watch Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines last night for your news of the day, or just peruse Veteran’s Today some more?
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Damn, it’s no wonder the country is going to hell.
Bring in the Muslim clowns….
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 12:37 pm
What insults?
You really do exhibit a sick sense of what is fun.
Is that an insult or just an observation?
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Hey Poolman,
Will you do your buddy Tex “Boy” a favor? Next time you sell from your vast portfolio, will you give me a heads up?
I want to buy.
————
Do you know over 25 years, I have made enough fun money on one principle alone that has financed at least two family vacations?
Anything that falls out of favor with liberals or in some cases kills a liberal do gooder, I wait 48 hours for the news to trickle out, and then purchase a block.
Guaranteed quality return on investment.
RJ Reynolds – √
Caterpillar – after turning Rachel Corrie into St. Pancake – √
Raytheon – √
Natural gas & fracking – √ – this will be the latest sure fire winner.
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Sorry dude, their hatred of Michelle is more irrational than their hatred of Barack. It’s a lost cause.
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 12:48 pm
P.T. Barnum said there is one born every minute.
Congrats! You’re a
whinerwinner!415.
Raji | December 6, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Remember when the we had “clear” cola during the last wave of “socially/environmentally conscious” marketing gimmicks?
Cool video of “wine” tasting in dueling banjo country.
Coca Cola has been trying to realign it’s image ever since it lost out to Pepsi as a major NASCAR sponsor. I bet they now have a whole staff dedicated to being politically correct. Yep, they goofed with “clear” cola and now “white”
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Sorry, I don’t get the problem with the link of Obama’s campaign to Think Progress. Think Progress has not represented itself as an impartial media outfit. So what is the problem? Hardly the same as Fox News’ alignment with the Bush administration.
In fact, Obama’s biggest weakness over the past 3 years (besides repeated optics mistakes) has been a piss-poor communications strategy. I’m glad they’re bringing in someone who really knows how to play hardball.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Come on Tool ™
Play along with me on this one and prove me you got a squirrel sized set. You remember Rachel Corrie, don’t you? If she wasn’t your next door neighbor or sister, she should have been.
Rachel Corrie? The mouth-frothing moonbat whose stupidity proved lethal when she decided to stick it to the Zionists by standing in front of an Israeli bulldozer that had no way to see her? And you goons in conjunction with her dysfunctional parents sued Caterpillar?
I made a killing off that one.
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Sorry. Liquidated all stocks and investments several years ago. Investments are now in the hereafter. You know, where moth and rust don’t…
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Like those fireside chants of the toothy Obama with shit eating grin in the “glory” year of 2009, before the Titanic sank as you were rearranging the deck chairs? Whatever happened to those pieces of shit you used to post?
Damn, I miss those days. You didn’t even to think to make up and insult. Posting the videos was all you needed.
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 1:03 pm
I’m not thrilled to have Sharpton on MSNBC but he made a very valid observation this morning. Gingrich toured the country with Sharpton on a pro-education effort engineered by Obama. During that tour, there was no talk of ghetto children only earning money through crime, or being put to best purpose cleaning school bathrooms. Gingrich didn’t appear to come away from that experience believing the stuff he’s spewing now.
I’m on a fence regarding Gingrich’s recent comments about poor kids. I could get my undies in a knot but some of what Newt said is true. The ghetto doesn’t abound with great role models. If it did, it wouldn’t be the ghetto. So methods of intervention are needed to save these kids from a dismal future. Offering part time work to keep them off the street and get them on the work treadmill and off the welfare treadmill is not a bad idea. You just have to approach the issue with respect and not be vulgar about it. Newt borders on vulgar. That is his main liability with respect to this particular issue.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Shoot. It’s a crying shame we couldn’t have met up sooner. I could have retired comfortably too.
…..and the pickup, and the house, and telephone….
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Regarding the mini-thread on Jesse Jackson …. his “best” days are behind him and he knows it. The big joke the night Obama won the election was that Jesse was crying because it was Obama on the stage and not Jesse.
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 1:16 pm
I hereby confess to a can of decaf coke or pepsi (depending on which was cheaper when my wife grocery shopped) daily. Sometimes I don’t finish the can.
And yes Poolman, I’m pretty sure it’s doing me no good.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 1:22 pm
After two four hour classes of biochemistry and one semester of med biochem, I came away convinced your biggest danger in a can of soda is 150 empty calories (assuming you brush your teeth 2-3 times a day).
Can’t say the same for diet soda, though.
I’m not totally convinced that doesn’t have some real downside.
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 1:25 pm
The biggest reason I posted Obama’s early weekly videos was not fawning over Obama so much as my interest in his taking the traditional weekly radio address and putting it on video. I just viewed it as a great 21st century advance.
I stopped posting them when they started to become repetitive.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 1:29 pm
“Brother “R”",
As usual, I’m just giving you a hard time. 
Not that you don’t deserve it for egregious liberal promotion. But you aren’t even in the same solar system of deserving an egging like Tool ™ – a by product of Fat Grannies. It doesn’t get any more unhealthy than that.
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 1:32 pm
You know, I try not to be superstitious but ever since saccharin was mistakenly linked to cancer I avoid artificial sweeteners like the plague. I just don’t trust them. Turns out …. they worsen IBS so that’s one thing I don’t need to worry about getting out of my diet … it’s already gone.
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Soda, like cell phones, is another area where profits win over science. Soda has proved detrimental to bone health and is a major contributor to diabetes. You won’t find much in American studies, but other nations have done the research and have reached incontrovertible conclusions. Then there is the mood swings and obesity…
I got my brother down to one Dr Pepper every few days. At least that is the story he’s telling me. You know these addicts aren’t always truthful about their habits.
He was close to a six pack a day.
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 1:58 pm
PF, a brotha doesn’t drink diet coke and listen to the Stones.
R, that still don’t mean you can lay a hand on our white women!
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 2:00 pm
“He was close to a six pack a day.”
Of regular soda? Holy sheeet! He must be as big around as a house.
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 2:03 pm
R, you crack me up. We know you don’t care, but the “link” to Think Progress is the antithesis of the message that Obama has been sending out about his own and the right’s campaign tactics.
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 2:09 pm
PF, a brotha doesn’t drink diet coke and listen to the Stones.
Decaf coke my brotha, not diet.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Poolman’s story of his brother reminds me of our secretary from a younger, so much younger, time. True story.
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I used to work with a gal who was about as round as she was tall. She drank four Dr. Peppers at work a day and a couple of more a night. She would be drinking one for breakfast every morning when I walked in like clockwork. I’m not kidding. Anyway…
Teresa was almost in tears one day because her husband had mentioned her ballooning weight. They later divorced.
Teresa was sobbing and I was trying to help because though pretty thick (literally and figuratively), I liked her. She says, (clears throat)…I’m down to 1,200 calories a day eating. And still I can’t lose weight!!! Something is wrong!
”
A quick calculation in my head noted that about 900 calories of that had to be Dr. Pepper. So I said, “Teresa, that pop you’re drinking there is 150 calories alone. How many of those are you drinking a day?”
“About a pack”
“Well, are you adding those to the calorie count?”
Now, I kid you not – here is her response, I think verbatim.
“Yeah, but those are only liquid.”
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 2:14 pm
“Decaf coke my brotha, not diet.”
Fitting.
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 2:20 pm
“I’ll have a Big Mac, large fries, large chocolate shake. . . whoops. I’m on a diet. Better make that vanilla!
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 2:23 pm
I’m very familiar with Rachel Corrie and have been aware of the obstruction her parents have faced trying to get justice in her case. She WAS seen by the operator, BTW. Her demise was intended. Let’s just say the operator was “following orders”, which seems to subvert consciences around the globe.
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 2:25 pm
“You just have to approach the issue with respect and not be vulgar about it. Newt borders on vulgar. That is his main liability with respect to this particular issue.”
Tawana Brawley.
R, I don’t know about the poor kids comment, at all. However, what you just recited doesn’t strike me as odd. Was Gingrich’s tour intended to be uplifting/motivational/aspirational?? If so, why would he be completely candid.
Oh, did I say, Tawana Brawley.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 2:29 pm
I think you would be shocked at how many calories you consume that you don’t even think about. And one trip to WallieMart will demonstrate that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I know this much. I can eat and drink a hellavu lot more than I can run.
Up until recently, I was consuming a couple of sodas a day. For sure, one after I got off the treadmill. Finally, after realizing that one pop was worth 11 minutes@7 mph, I said, “Screw this…”
For the first time in my adult I’m going through almost a gallon of unsweetened tea a day. I still hate drinking plain water, though. Even the bottled stuff. And anything diet is out.
My sister gave me one of those “flavored” waters the other day. Lawd, was that stuff awful. I’ll die of thirst before I tip another one of those.
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 2:32 pm
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 2:33 pm
If I’m going ingest empty calories in liquid form it’s going to be alcohol. Preferably beer or scotch. With a stogie. Like God intended!
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Tex,
I’ve been off sodas for at least 14 years. About the same time I quit cigarettes. Unsweetened tea IS my beverage of choice. I did the flavored waters for a while, but there are many that really suck. A few have subtle flavors that I like, but the costs of beverages are crazy anymore. We have RO water and occasionally I just do water, often with a lemon twist. It was a lime twist at my former residence since we had a lime tree that produced year round.
Now I’m into exotic teas, mainly because my wife has become a coffee and tea connoisseur as an extension of her employment. My favorite right now is the Japanese Cherry. But we add green tea to it. Tea is actually chock full of antioxidants.
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thorsaurus | December 6, 2011 at 2:50 pm
What’s Area 51?
Newt’s hat size. You couldn’t house that dude’s ego in a Zeppelin hangar.
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thorsaurus | December 6, 2011 at 3:39 pm
If you ladies are done trading diet tips, can we get back to cutting each others’ balls off. Obama just “kicked off” his campaign in Kansas. He’s trying to channel Roosevelt … Teddy.
That ought to get it started.
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Tex, I fixed it for you but then I know why you subconsciously made the error … didn’t want to sound like Michelle Obama.
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 4:10 pm
I thought he was channeling Truman. Oh well, so long as he doesn’t channel Jimmy Carter or James Buchanan, he should be ok.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Nobody can leave out words like I can on the Rutherford Lawson blog, rendering great thoughts (cough cough) practically unreadable, once again demonstrating that my mind works a heck of a lot faster than my fat fingers do. Now you understand why I was always fond of skipping second base, heading straight for the triple.
I add either black cherry, mint, or peach tea to mine too Poolman in those quart sized tea bags, but I never could get the hang of the taste of green tea, even for the medicinal benefits. Tasted like dish water.
I haven’t cut Thor’s nuts off yet. I’ll see if I can dream up a Gonzaga dinger, as undoubtedly he immune to the normal shit thrown around here.
Now why in the hell would Obama be in Kansas, unless he was blown there? He ain’t going to win Kansas anymore than Newt/Mitt/Ron/Tex is going to win Vermont.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 4:36 pm
On second thought, I finally figured out why Obama is in Kansas.
I understand Zero met Michelle Antoinette there, after the house fell on her sister.
The swordfish “sliders” ain’t worth a shit, but one of the best steaks I ever had was right in the heart of the most inappropriately named city in America:
Garden City, Kansas.
Great people, smells like a cattle lot. I’m not kidding. They call it the “smell of money.” I called it the smell of shit lagoon.
The smell was so bad driving back from Colorado one time, it woke my small children up driving through there. That’s the honest truth.
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thorsaurus | December 6, 2011 at 4:42 pm
R, I don’t think MSNBC is digital Pravda like some others at the RL, but you must admit, this Bashir guy is all in for Obama. They just aired his entire speech, then spent a segment breaking it down. Then he used highlights of the speech for the bumper piece. Must be a slow news day.
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 4:44 pm
“Newt’s hat size. You couldn’t house that dude’s ego in a Zeppelin hangar.”
Fortunately, Obama’s ego hanger will be unoccupied after the election. There’s enough room in there for Newt’s, Trump’s and PF’s egos combined. It’d be like parking your sneakers in a four car garage.
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 4:48 pm
“Must be a slow news day.”
Nope. That’s’ how they roll. All day, every day. The Obama channel.
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 4:49 pm
The president will travel to the small town of Osawatomie, Kan., the same place where Roosevelt outlined his vision for a “New Nationalism” over a century ago.
The choice of location was no accident, and the White House has spent a month focusing on the event. Obama’s advisors read Roosevelt’s speech word for word and said it was eerie how much of it still applies today.
http://news.yahoo.com/presidential-planner-obama-borrows-page-roosevelt-playbook-110211541.html
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 4:51 pm
R, I have a prediction. Gingrich will be run off by the right. I think he is quickly being sized up as potentially unelectable.
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thorsaurus | December 6, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Tex, I thought you divested your large cap stuff. Hope you held on to the CAT shares. Lately, they’ve been lifting the Dow like a Chinook helicopter.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Thor, that was probably 2006/07 when I divested myself. My biggest mistakes in the market have been identifying great stocks, then bailing out like a dawg before the stuff really turns good.
You’re looking at an IPO Microsoft owner, who after doubling his money, congratulated himself for his brilliance, only to watch the the stock sky rocket for the next ten years. In a fit of rage, he bought again years later so that it could remain flat since 2002.
Damn, I don’t know why I insult Poolman. I’m the one who ought to have my ass kicked to the moon for smooth moves.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 5:17 pm
So Poolman, you lived in Garden City? You’re tougher than I am. That is a dreary place. I thought Dodge City was even worse.
You ever been to Shamrock, TX?
Shamrock makes Garden City look like Paris. I stayed there one night and couldn’t find a damn place to eat but McDonald’s and thought better. So I ate at the hotel. I’m not kidding – that is as close to being in the Twilight Zone as I’ve ever been.
Here’s another true story. I was in a loaner from the company and forgot to bring a CD to listen to while driving. So I turned on the radio and scanned through the FM stations somewhere between Elk City, OK, and Shamrock – nothing.
So I turned to the AM stations and scanned through. Nothing. Static.
Not even some old time religion stuff. I wasn’t sure I was on earth anymore.
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thorsaurus | December 6, 2011 at 5:28 pm
ET, you’re going to have to talk me off the ice sheet. I should have a foot of snow in my yard. Instead, it’s 44 degrees and I’m contemplating mowing around the lighted moose with animated features. If the pizzlies come knocking I’ll let you know.
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Tex, you might as well laugh.
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2011/12/05/confidence-men-and-finance/
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 5:38 pm
Nah. Salina. Actually Shilling AFB in Salina. Sometime in 1969 and 70. Dad was in Vietnam.
Never been to Shamrock, but I have a good friend from Spearman. Been to Paris, too – Texas AND France.
Plenty of spots in Texas where there is no radio reception. Although “X Rock 80″ was broadcast from Mexico and with the right antenna you could pick it up just about everywhere in West Texas, even off the caprock. Most of the time it would bleed over other stations.
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 5:38 pm
Thor, thank God Obama has kept the seas from rising. Now sit down and have a coke from the new can to placate the pissed off polars headed your way. I heard they’re planning some ind of Occupy Thor’s place Igloo City thing.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Tigre, while I’m reading, did you see this?
And this from a world famous lib about another lib.
The first comments are great too. Remember, this “thing” came within 500+ votes of being the President of the United States. I don’t give a damn how bad 1/2 of America hates Bush, we were lucky. All of us.
http://thehill.com/capital-living/in-the-know/197355-bob-woodward-sitting-next-to-gore-is-unpleasant-
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Tex, I did read that earlier. If you want some fun, Walter Russel Mead trashed the great Goregasm in a series. Let me see if I can find it. I would as R to read it, but I know he won’t since I suggested it.
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 5:48 pm
Ah. That didn’t take long.
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/06/24/the-failure-of-al-gore-part-one/
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/06/27/the-failure-of-al-gore-part-deux/
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/07/01/the-failure-of-al-gore-part-three-singing-the-climate-blues/
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Tigre,
I watched a few of those Clarke and Dawes videos, and didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. I’ve moved 80% of my money basically to “Contracts”, fixed income securities, and money market funds drawing a mind numbing 1.92% and still have no idea if any of it will be left.
I’d buy some freeze flash food, but it reminds me too much of camping trips. After about three days, everything begins to taste like blueberry pop tarts – even the beef stroganoff.
Add water and some iodide tablets to these beef chunk things and you get a big bowl of blueberry pop tarts. Damnedest thing I’ve ever seen or tasted.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Shoot Poolman, Salina is Wichita lite – a true bastion of nothingness. But still, river city compared to some of the beauties I visited in my last job before saying I’m done.
Ever been to Pecos, TX?
If not, the best I can describe the surrounds would be bright side of the moon. About three inches of packed dust, with an occasional stick standing straight out of a crevice. About one per acre.
The Pecos River has green, lush growth about five feet either side. The rest of town and country resembles Sea of Tranquility, Neil Armstrong style accompanied by 110 degree heat.
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 6:22 pm
Yeah, I hear you. We’ve started eating the homeless.
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 6:32 pm
I loathe Martin Bashir for a very simple reason. Bashir ingratiated himself to Michael Jackson, went to the man’s home, interviewed him asking some legit tough questions but still playing the “friend” and then completely trashed him once the story was produced for TV consumption. I’ve hated the little weasel ever since then.
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Well, “hated” is a bit strong … let’s amend that to “strongly disliked”.
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 6:35 pm
LOL spoken by the man who hardly ever watches the channel.
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Excellent prediction with one flaw. The disdain for Romney is palpable and the lust for an Obama debate smackdown is equally palpable. Folks think Gingrich can deliver a debate knockout blow to Obama whereas they’ve already seen Romney flustered in both debate and interview when challenged.
I tend to agree with the pundits that Iowa is WIDE open. The only outcome that would surprise me is a Santorum or Huntsman win. Despite the current polling, I think Romney has an outside chance of win or 2nd, Paul win or 2nd. Gingrich win or 2nd. Bachmann outside chance of win or 2nd and strong odds against but not out — Perry.
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Caucuses are from what I understand, very weird mofo’s. It’s not easy to get a large turnout, they attract activist voters, and the campaigning goes right on into the caucus room.
Has anyone here ever attended a caucus? If so I’d love to hear your thoughts.
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 6:49 pm
Garden City, Kansas. Shamrock, TX. Neither has anything on Endicott, NY.
OMFG!!! Endicott looks like some scifi monolithic city out of Planet of the Apes. If memory serves, I spent one night there and had I stayed longer I would have committed suicide.
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 6:50 pm
“LOL spoken by the man who hardly ever watches the channel.”
R, I watch it nearly everyday. Usually your morning joe for a little while. I wish there was a similar format for thinking individuals. MSNBC never changes.
I love watching libbies like those on the MSNBC lineup. It reminds me that I’m correct. Really. I think it’s patently dishonest in its agenda and presentation. It rarely even bothers with opposing viewpoints preferring instead the straw-man. You allow it to think for you without pausing to question why it generally avoids competing opinions. It LOVES Obama — and love is blind.
I never watch Fox though you do accuse all of us of doing so.
Now apply what you just said about Bashir and apply it to your friend Crazy Larry. Invite someone on to shout in someone’s face to the delight of effeminate liberals everywhere. No that’s entertainment!
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 7:00 pm
“Excellent prediction with one flaw. The disdain for Romney is palpable and the lust for an Obama debate smackdown is equally palpable.”
You exaggerate the extremes because you don’t understand the right’s perceptions. There is no disdain other than that rightly directed at Obama. He is an ineffective, narcissistic, coward. He is the epitome of a helpless liberal’s view of a leader — consensus over difficult choices, acceptance over principle, and self- loathing as proof of empathy.
Now wiggle your fingers if you agree. . .
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 7:04 pm
I’ve been through Pecos. I don’t know any reason to go to Pecos. Yeah, pretty desolate country. Often traveling between Lubbock and El Paso we would go to Midland/Odessa because of the relatives we visited there. That put us on I-20 and through Pecos.
I did two swimming pools in Ralls, Texas. That was/is a fairly desolate place. There was one pizza restaurant at the time. It wasn’t very good, but always busy – no competition and all.
Anyway, the first person we built a pool for was a very successful pig farmer. The whole town smells like a pig farm actually, which is even worse than a cattle feedlot, imo. Anyhow, the owner use to say that was the smell of money.
I don’t think I ever saw him without rubber boots. I was so happy to finish that project.
A year later, a friend of his, a poorer pig farmer, came into money and wanted his very own pool built. At that time, there was only the one other pool in town, the very one we’d built. This guy wanted us to duplicate that other person’s pool, down the minutest detail. I couldn’t believe it. I even tried to get him to choose a different tile. Just to be different, which he declined. Same shape, depth, deck, everything. Even the structure it was housed in (these were enclosed pools) was from the same place.
He had his vision of success and wasn’t going to let me spoil it.
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Rutherford | December 6, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Au contraire. I watched a few Milton Friedman videos today. He’s very convincing and the kids who ask him questions are at an unfair disadvantage.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 7:31 pm
Like Tigre, I think you are clueless of the dynamics of the Republican party “R”. I wouldn’t read too much into the infighting, which I think at present a healthy thing. If this goes into next spring, that would be a different story.
I have two hesitations with Newt, both big liabilities – forget the past transgressions for the moment. One, while I think Newt incredibly bright, he is also incredibly reckless and inconsistent. Which Newt do I get? The debater, or the one sharing the bench with Nazi Pelosi? Two, I think in a general election, Mitt Romney the more electable of the two candidates. I personally have grown to like both. But unless Newt blows it or something really insidious arises, I think Newt is going to get there.
But here’s the bottom line “R” – and it has been from the start. The one guaranteed wish of not only all the candidates, but the party as a whole and the largest part of independent voters – perhaps even many more Conservative Dimocrats, if those still exist. And you shouldn’t forget it.
ABO…60% of this country wants anybody but Obama in the most desperate way. I say this with some assuredness. If Obama wins, we are in trouble. At best, it’s a wash with Republican majorities to block and nothing much happens – and we can’t afford that right now. We have to make major changes of the practical kind – and they are going to be painful. If by small chance, Obama is unencumbered and again has majorities, you can kiss this economy goodbye. We’re plugging holes and more are appearing than we can plug.
We better redirect the river and rebuild the dam, because the bulge is obvious.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 7:43 pm
Endicott, NY? I don’t think I’ve been there, but I may have made a quick drive through. Jeez, I thought Albany, NY, sucked something fierce. And Buffalo? Damn, why does anybody live in Buffalo?
But if I said Garden City was the most inappropriately named city in the U.S., let me tell you the most appropriately named one:
Pittsfield, MA
What a POS. Worcester, MA didn’t exactly light me up either. Same with Hartford, CT.
And if you want to see real world Somalia U.S.A, try the lovely East New York, the Bronx or Bedford Sty.
Concerning the last three, I would invest in heavy duty bob wire.
If you ever want to feel like you’ve hit the big time, take a spin through Liberty City, FL. Haiti America.
Damn, I’ve been to some America’s finest Taj Mahals. Seen a few in CA that will curl your hair too. For that matter, about everywhere I’ve got, I seem to hit the holes.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Dang, barb wire. Now I do sound like I’m from Oklahoma.
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 7:57 pm
I think the Republican party is “clueless to the dynamics of the Republican party”. All they can agree on is “get Obama out!”
As I have said before, all the banksters have thrown their money behind Romney. Unless he really takes a crap in public, I think he’s the “one”. Get used to it. I know the “religious right” is trying to get comfortable with a “cult” member leading them, but for the most part, religion has NOT played in to this debate. I think they have intentionally tried to steer the debate and keep the issue from being raised, since it is SO controversial.
A smart Democrat angle would be to make it a forefront issue and that would further split Republicans. Really though, with Ron Paul still in, the GOP IS split. All RP can do is gain support the longer this plays out. And get more death threats.
This primary campaign is just fluff from here on in. Grab some popcorn and watch the show. Nothing real is going to happen in politics before it’s done. All the critical stuff still goes on behind closed doors.
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 8:23 pm
Troy NY. (errrruhhh, tremble)
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 8:35 pm
I thought it was barbed wire. No matter. Either way, I still have scars on my back and right hand from it.
And the beat goes on…
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 8:40 pm
Religion won’t play into this debate. So get over us having to defend Newt’s dalliances. You and your ilk set the bar incredibly low with the serial rapist for President, then defended him when lying under oath. You then went even lower and gave us a fat POS named Gore, who has now proven himself to be an utter fraud and another serial adulterer – one wonders why you don’t like Newt then. You ended it with the black liberal theologist, malignant narcissist and closet Muslim who sells out America for self-aggrandizement. Worse, his Amazon wife hates America. There are no standards anymore. If that bothers a phony thief and ward of the state like you, tough shit. I ain’t looking for perfection. I’m looking to get rid of Obama, followed by floating you off to Haiti.
If the smartest man is who we should elect and they are electable, then give me Newt or give me Romney. And damn sure ain’t your man Obama.
Found:
Urban Dictionary definition of “Poolman” is: “a person so irredeemably stupid that their idiotic behavior causes pain to everyone that they interact with.”
Actually it was Dickweed, but it was so fitting, I have now redefined it. Fuck you Tool ™ – get used to that.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Crying shame it didn’t clothes line you at full gallop.
Ahhh…..
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Poolman, I don’t agree. There is more than just “get Obama out” As you mean it). There is a serious clash of ideologies. And it’s not all the social issues or religion that drives the media and stirs the base in the early stages. This is going to be straight up economic philosophy .The hard on for a Newt debate is that he can expose Obama on ideology and shallowness effectively. He’s skilled at debate. But that doesn’t mean that he’s going to be the choice. Mitt is not “disdained” — I don’t even know where R got that from anything that’s occurred. Mitt will appeal to the middle and even into the disenchanted left. He’s palatable to a broader base and that makes him electable, and that’s why he’ll prevail in the end.
Obama has made laughing stock of his supporters. Deny it all they wish — no one — and mean NO ONE on the left likes Obama. He has embarrassed and humiliated them. The MSNBC mentality is driven by false perceptions and wishful thinking. In an effort to preserve their damaged esteem, they don’t recognize their hair is on fire. By the time the realize, it’ll be too late.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 9:05 pm
Tigre, you are a more patient man than I am. The Tool ™ still doesn’t understand Obama is the largest part of the problem and needs to be removed. Period. The Tool’s ™ second fallacy is that replacing Obama with a fruit loop like Paul won’t cut it either.
There is no reason to be ashamed to admit that you’re damn right the objective is to get rid of Obama, his czars, his wife, the stench, his idiocy, and his utter, abject failure.
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Tex, agreed. But I want to get rid f his administration and cheerleaders too. I want the liberal MSM to suck an egg. I want what everybody wants — a large dose of reality. More is unfathomable.
Favorite b.s? Obama wasn’t liberal enough WRONG.
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poolman | December 6, 2011 at 9:19 pm
You and your ilk set the bar incredibly low with the serial rapist for President, then defended him when lying under oath. You then went even lower and gave us a fat POS named Gore, who has now proven himself to be an utter fraud and another serial adulterer
Well, you haven’t paid too close attention. Maybe all the soft drinks and nicorette have dulled your senses, but I voted Kerry as my very first Democrat choice. I did that to try to save us from more of the ongoing Bush doctrine and destruction. That didn’t work, as we all know. I’m certain now Kerry would likely have been as bad, or at least close second. So Clinton or Gore – not me.
But this urban dictionary stuff has me intrigued. You ARE in there. I don’t have to make she-at up.
Too bad you aren’t really Texan.
Tex
1. A nickname earned/given to a bilidgerant drunk
3. An alter-ego that only surfaces after a considerable amount of alchoholic beverages have been consumed and begin to take an effect.
“Man, after you drank that whole handle of Admiral Nelson and got a tattoo of your dad ass raping his cellmate, you went outside and shit on the hood of your Ford F350. TEX sure came out last night.”
4. to roll a blunt,originated in harlem,
5. Tex: agreeing with whatever has been said because you can form no opinion of your own
Being Tex: making a big mistake. lacking common sense. dropping the ball. glitching, sitting on the fence
tex’ing, agreeing with everybody
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tex
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 9:37 pm
I like it Poolman. Really, I do. Seriously. If you had any idea why I used the word “Tex”, you’d find it funny too.
And if you think I agree with whatever has been said, then I’ll have no worries about repeatedly insulting you. You won’t need an explanation as to why.
——
I did note one thing. I’m pretty sure the Urban author might be you before you found the spell checker: “bilidgerant”
Now that is the The Tool ™ I came to know and disdain around here before you made a concerted effort to be one of the boys.
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Tex Taylor | December 6, 2011 at 9:43 pm
What dulled your senses? Birth, or a ball peen hammer?
Voted for Kerry.
Bull shit. You’ve been a ward your entire life, pulling that straight Dim lever. Yeller Dawg with a skill set.
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 10:22 pm
‘Yeller Dawg with a skill set.’
I think you mean audience.
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El Tigre | December 6, 2011 at 10:38 pm
“Au contraire. I watched a few Milton Friedman videos today. He’s very convincing and the kids who ask him questions are at an unfair disadvantage.”
He’s convincing because he’s right. His clarity comes from disciplined thought. If that creates an “unfair” disadvantage, I am confident that you can Google your way towards rationalized disapproval.
Now in “fairness,” he’s got little more going on than those kindergarten-level question and answer sessions. If you have some real disagreement with them (on a meaningful level), I really would like to hear about it. If you instruct me to shut up and not respond, I will comply. I just want to know what you’re thinking about. Really.
Now, Mead will really be interesting. He’s a dem, you know? However, in reviewing his criticism of Gore, I truly wonder how you don’t laugh at your own silliness when it comes to defending Obama too. Again, the clarity comes form reasoned analysis and clarity of thought. Not rationalization couched as “nuance.”
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poolman | December 7, 2011 at 1:44 am
Yeah, Tex.
Hard to believe I know, but I was a staunch Republican until I became enlightened sometime after 9/11. So there IS hope for you. You’re just running behind me. Waaaaaaayyy behind.
My church back in Texas basically convinced us if we were not voting GOP we were going against the will of God. Abortion, after all, was the litmus test. We were given literature which in essence told us who the “Christians” were and the issues that we were supposed to campaign and vote for. Even though Republicans were imploding all around us, somehow they were able to sustain that myth.
Then I moved and distanced myself from that congregation, and all others for a time. Work was my be all and end all for awhile. Money was good and life was easy.
I was in for Kerry and ready to dump Bush when ’04 came around. Of course I thought then that “Democrat” was a less hypocritical position to take, them being my new party to look up to. It didn’t take long for that fantasy to fade. They were just as bad as the Republicans and all over the ideological map.
But I was very hopeful when Obama came on the scene. I believed he could make good on his promises and we could begin to get back on a righteous path. Smart and articulate, he was such a contrast to what we had that was such a vast failure in all respects. He gave us hope, something we were desperately wanting.
Three years later I see how really naive that was. None of these guys can do anything on their own. They killed any that were free thinkers. These guys are merely figureheads, puppets, team mascots. No power to change anything but their own undies.
So you can hope for more and remain naive in thinking a Republican can actually “fix” things. I think we are beyond fixing right now. The “fix” is in. The same path will be traveled no matter who holds the position. A Republican will only get us there faster. I’m not even certain Ron Paul CAN do what he wants to. I don’t think “they” will let him. Too much is at stake.
So these next few months will be interesting. If we make it to November, I will vote for RP, whether he’s the GOP candidate or a third party candidate. Obama will have to pull a rabbit out of his hat to make me vote for him again. I will not vote for Romney, that’s for darned sure.
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 2:06 am
Well that one in particular Tex is an outright ghetto. They don’t pretend to be “Garden City”. My Dad taught there for some 30 years. I’ll always admire him for driving into that hell hole every day to keep a roof over our family’s head. Kept going there after he got his nose bloodied in a mugging. More courage than I could’ve mustered.
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 2:09 am
Tex that was plain stupid. He’s a closet atheist.
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poolman | December 7, 2011 at 2:09 am
Tigre, there may very well be a clash of ideologies. That won’t change by putting a Republican in office. There will still be a clash of ideologies. That is what this nation is about. Diversity. At one time, strength through diversity.
But in the past, these differing ideologies worked together to govern the people who put them there. Now it is just a method to divide and demonize. There is no “team America” anymore. It is fractured. And it has been done methodically over time.
If this is all about getting Newt in a debate with Obama, I don’t see that happening. What would be the point? Obama is the only one that would stand to lose anything, even if he won the debate. Newt has nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Didn’t we have this conversation last year with Palin wanting to debate Obama? I think some of you guys thought that was a good idea. But again, what’s the point?
If any of you think winning a debate is akin to leading a nation, then you are much more naive than I could have imagined. I think the Democrat party is the party of the intellectuals, but where has that gotten us?
Until we get ALL these crooks out and start charging them and their enablers for their crimes, we’re sunk or sinking.
Romney pulled out of the Trump debate. I guess his handlers informed him that the “birther” Donald is too much of a joke for anyone of character to take seriously. We’ve had our fill of him out here in Arizona. The rest of the nation is slowly catching on.
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 2:13 am
WOW … did folks all take a lick of stupid sauce tonight?
Tigre, have you even been paying attention? Mitt can’t crack 25%. Every six weeks the GOP electorate looks for someone, anyone but Mitt. Time Magazine’s latest cover has the headline “Why Don’t They Like Me?” with Mitt on the cover.
Tigre, put down the Cuban cigar and pay some attention man.
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 2:15 am
No Poolman. You’re the guy they market to on late night infomercials.
Probably got three sets of banjo minnows, two boxes of detox foot patches, a couple of magic jacks, and bought your wife a snuggie for last Christmas, complete with drop drawers – all on the revolving card.
Only one question? Do your really consider those sad sack women good friends that you converse with at Fat Grannies?
No Poolman, you probably have changed nothing. You were a rube then, and a rube now.
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 2:19 am
Democratic party. This helps to explain a lot. Intellectuals.
There’s a whole bunch of intellectual geniuses over at Fat Grannies.
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huckingfypocrites | December 7, 2011 at 2:21 am
Reminds me of when Sensico called herself an intellectual.
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 2:25 am
I consider black liberal theology to be Islam light. You don’t think Rev. Jeremiah cavorts around with Louie Farrakhan for grins, do you? It’s is a whole bunch closer to Elijah Mohammad than it is to any Protestant theologian that I know – complete with unadulterated hatred of white America.
But in the event I am wrong, how about opportunist of political expediency?
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 2:28 am
Poolman, the Donald inserting himself again is bringing this primary season to an all time low. What I find bizarre is after Obama mopped the floor with him the night before Osama was killed, you’d think Trump would stay permanently out of politics. The guy’s ego is gargantuan. He and Gingrich have that in common. They’re also both very mean spirited men.
Gingrich has accepted the debate invitation. I think Perry has also (dumbass). My hat is off to Romney for having some dignity. Quite frankly any candidate who accepts Trump’s invitation should be removed from all future primary/caucus ballots. That would winnow the field down to folks who take the office of the presidency seriously. So far that is Romney, Paul and Huntsman. Although Romney bailed without calling Trump the clown that he is. Paul and Huntsman had the real integrity and told Trump to suck their respective d*cks. BRAVO!!!
I enjoy Celebrity Apprentice … it’s my guilty pleasure. I’m ashamed that I’ve continued to watch it even after Trump revealed himself to be a birther assh*le.
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 2:28 am
I almost wrote that same thing. Poolman being a party to ‘intellect’ was enough.
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 2:32 am
You are wrong and when it comes to religion, he is an opportunist of political expediency. I smell a serious atheist when I look at Obama. The attendance at Wright’s church was just playing the game.
We’ll know we truly have no religious litmus test for POTUS the day an honest to goodness atheist runs for office and tells everybody in no uncertain terms “I don’t believe in ANY of that stuff.”
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 2:32 am
Hey Huck? You ever watch the O’Reilly factor. Do you know this Marc Lemont Hill, the professor at Columbia? I guarantee you he teaches some liberal arts puff. He made the same claim tonight – in Ebonics.
Man, this people live in the Land of Oz.
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poolman | December 7, 2011 at 2:33 am
Uuumm. No. You’re the one with the teevee on while you tap away on your notebook. I’m not sure what those items you describe even are, though “magic jacks” sounds familiar. Are those the slidey thingies that go under furniture legs to move them? How many do you have?
I think my teevee is on Cartoon Network or Disney, depends on what the grandkids were watching yesterday after school and homework. They didn’t watch any today because they had too much homework. I do watch some of those cartoons with them, I must admit. They even show classic Tom and Jerry on there.
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 2:34 am
You know who Marc Lamont Hill is good friends with and enjoys debating tremendously? None other than Ann Coulter.
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 2:35 am
I guess kissing the Saud ring counts as diplomacy these days. You sure he didn’t crawl to Mecca as a good will gesture?
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 2:37 am
Well all you haters will be happy to know that my Tivo malfunctioned tonight and instead of recording the MSNBC lineup, it recorded Bravo.
Fuuuuuu*******ck!!!
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 2:39 am
That Marc Lamont Hill is just dumber than dirt. I think O’Reilly must have a mean streak to put that smiling cluck on. Hill is good for a belly laugh.
A pigeon for the cat if he’s debating Coulter, because he can’t string two sentences together without stuttering.
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 2:40 am
Bravo?
How to marry a millionaire, or something?
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 2:41 am
Kissing the Saudi ring beats kissing the Donald’s
assring any day of the week.512.
Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 2:43 am
I’ll have you know “Millionaire Matchmaker” is one of my fav shows. That and Real Housewives of Atlanta.
See, my god*am Tivo knows I’m such a TV addict that no matter what it records, I’ll probably watch it.
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poolman | December 7, 2011 at 2:43 am
Maybe your time isn’t correctly set. Have your daughter fix it for you.
And then have her set this blog to the correct time. Kay? 
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huckingfypocrites | December 7, 2011 at 2:44 am
Nope. Never heard of Marc Lamont Hill and don’t watch O’Reilly.
Cavuto is about is far as I get on the lineup.
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 2:45 am
Finally before going to bed …
After years of hearing great reviews, my wife and I are finally watching “Breaking Bad” starting with season 1. Now I see why the reviews were good. It turns out “Malcolm in the Middle” father really can act.
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 2:47 am
LOL Poolman, I get the point about my daughter. But Dad isn’t as technically ignorant as you might think. I still pride myself with keeping up with electronic gadgets.
As for this blog, hey maaaaaaaan time is just a concept here.
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poolman | December 7, 2011 at 2:48 am
If Newt is the intellect of the GOP, you’ve set the bar really L O W. I am an independent, not a democrat. But it seems more intellectuals ARE aligned with Democrats.
Name the GOP intellectuals for me. They just don’t stand out in my mind. I’ll admit it if you can prove me wrong. No dead ones now…
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poolman | December 7, 2011 at 2:52 am
As for this blog, hey maaaaaaaan time is just a concept here.
;lol: I get it. It’s just before midnight here and I always feel like I’m staying up all night when I’m at R’s place.
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huckingfypocrites | December 7, 2011 at 3:32 am
“After years of hearing great reviews, my wife and I are finally watching “Breaking Bad” starting with season 1. Now I see why the reviews were good. It turns out “Malcolm in the Middle” father really can act.”
Great show. If you like the first few you’re in for a treat.
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huckingfypocrites | December 7, 2011 at 3:53 am
And stick with it. Some of the episodes are kind of boring and then get more relevant later.
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an800lbgorilla | December 7, 2011 at 7:35 am
Well, I rolled my ankle Sat night and am finally back on my feet. Didn’t break anything and got a nice bruise to show for it. We’ve gone from a softball for an ankle to something a lot more recognizable. Stepped off the curb and hit that worn out gap that tends to be between the concrete curb and the asphalt parking lot. I was carrying my 3 yr old at the time, so I did a nice tuck and roll so I didn’t land on him, which was GREAT for my back…
Needless to say, I’ve been out of most things for the last few days so I’ve got a lot of catching up to do. So, some quick thoughts:
• Herman Cain’s campaign “suspension”- No surprise and the biggest winner will clearly be Newt Gingrich. The polls are starting to become pretty lopsided towards Gingrich.
• Obama channels Teddy Roosevelt (a REPUBLICAN) in his Kansas speech (of which only 40% of the kids given the option to attend, did) where he is attempting to kindle a populist theme. Of course, TR busted the banks whereas Obama has pumped billions into the banks and has actually made things easier and better for the big banks (not the small ones).
• Am I the only one who has noticed that Obama keeps trying to associate himself with historical Republicans? Lincoln, Reagan and now Teddy Roosevelt. Interesting…
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El Tigre | December 7, 2011 at 9:24 am
“Tigre, have you even been paying attention? Mitt can’t crack 25%.”
R, you can be mighty dense. You can’t get your head around the process of primary versus general election. We are in November 2010 Knucklehead. There will always be a play to match against the leader. Although you dropped to your knees for Obama when he first unzipped, maybe you can remember far enough back to 2004 with your own party’s nomination.
You got Kerry — not because you loved him nor in spite of your “disdain” for him. Hell, only that loud mouthed Bette-Meddler-after-a-bender wife of his could love that arrogant Thurston Howell prick. I disdain Kerry; I know you did not — but if we go to the way back machine I’ll wager you weren’t laying with your head cocked back and mouth wide open like you were for Obama.
The right “disdains” Obama. Many on the left that are being honest with themselves (that isn’t you) disdain Obama for making fools of them. And quite obviously the majority on the right are not big Romney supporters as their first choice. But if nominated, they will pull the lever for him in the general election.
R, you don’t pull the lever for a candidate you “disdain.” You stay home. The right ain’t staying home and Mitt hasn’t done anything so egregious that he is the object of scorn — like getting a bj from a junior staffer and perjuring himself, or driving leaving a young woman to suffer and die in a car you drove off a bridge on your way to fuck at her place.
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You may now go back to ladling your own spicy brand of stupid sauce on that MSNBC shit-sundae you slobber on day in and day out.
p.s. I also believe Huntsman may gain some traction. But he will be eliminated quickly because he’s run a rotten campaign regardless of you beliefs t the contrary
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an800lbgorilla | December 7, 2011 at 9:49 am
Yes, yes, what could we expect from an exclusive liberal private school for the 1%…
I just wonder if the
ChicagoHawaii Jesus knew and approved. My guess, didn’t give a shit either way…524.
Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 11:19 am
Being I don’t think you have a snowball’s chance, and since you made the claim, you go first. List those “intellects” from the Dimocratic party and the media. Then I’m going to tee you up, because you haven’t had your head pile driven in a while.
What’s more, if it takes an intellect to recognize an intellect, this will be an exercise in futility, because frankly Poolman, you aren’t terribly bright and probably not qualified to pass judgment IMO. You are the male equivalent of those bulls eyes at Fat Grannies and Chatter Clatter.. But my curiosity is killing me. And I’m not talking about your lack of formal education, because that is overrated.
I will be more than happy to as soon as you’ve listed some intellects from the Dimocratic party. Then we will provide a side by side comparison of the pedigree.
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 11:22 am
Sorry to hear about ankle, Gorilla. I did that two years ago being chased by my dog, only I leaped a bush only to find the curb instead of a flat surface tibiofibular ligament (still hurts).
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El Tigre | December 7, 2011 at 11:24 am
“Name the GOP intellectuals for me. They just don’t stand out in my mind. I’ll admit it if you can prove me wrong. No dead ones now…”
You obviously aren’t one of them or you wouldn’t throw down the gauntlet on such a blindingly stupid assertion. I
I know Tex will easily disabuse you of your dumb conclusion. Anyone here could. So, “Bring it!” You first Poolman.
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 11:40 am
Tigre. It’s almost hard to believe we are left with Poolman the Infomercial posing questions of judging superior intellect, Pfesser openly tying himself to the hip of Poolman with consideration of open minded, deep thought, and Rutherford left questioning who is the better Republican candidate – I suppose a diversion of trying to cover for his former savior, now failed flunky’s multitude of mistakes.
Maybe we entered the wrong door and ended up at the House of Wax, or something?
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poolman | December 7, 2011 at 12:06 pm
I asked anyone to name the GOP intellectuals and you throw it back on me to name some intellectuals on the left first? You aren’t even confident enough in your abilities to name one person (if there is one – I’m hopeful) and so you want me to go first? Talk about lazy. No wonder I haven’t been able to take the right seriously. All you have is criticism, apparently. A huge arrogant dose of it.
For the record, I don’t consider myself an intellectual. My grades were very good in school and college, but I was not an overachiever or exceptional student in any regard. I went to 9 schools before college and was quite a shy kid, so there was plenty of adjusting that took place, which, though beneficial to my overall outlook, was detrimental to classroom and book learning. I’d venture to say I have learned (and relearned) more in three years than in all those years in school.
But I excel in common sense and problem solving, something greatly lacking in this country today.
Also I am a registered independent and quite apolitical, a concept lefties seem to GET as opposed to righties that DON’T.
So, if this is a challenge, or “blindly stupid assertion” as Huck calls it, further stating that Tex will easily disprove my “theory”, we’ll see how honest you really are.
I recall Huck saying he had to register as an indi also, even though his ideology aligns with the right. I think that is because most university profs are lefties and this gives him the proper “camouflage” to get hired.
So my first candidate for consideration is Noam Chomsky.
Let the games begin.
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poolman | December 7, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Sorry. The Huck “accusation” actually was meant for Tigre.
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poolman | December 7, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Maybe we entered the wrong door and ended up at the House of Wax, or something?
Right door. Wax on, wax off.
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 12:15 pm
No worries there. One of the things we like about it is that the characters are well drawn so you don’t need lots of action in each episode. It’s just a pleasure to see them do their thing. We’ve been watching it every night (in place of Hardball … imagine that!!!) so we’re done with Season 1 already. We’re two eps into season 2 and damn what a ride!!!!
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Noam Chomsky?
Great choice – right up your American hating alley. Takes one to know one.
Why bother to explain?
http://www.salon.com/2001/09/26/treason_2/
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 12:29 pm
I’ll counter with something a little more meaningful Tool ™ – say something more practical than the Ward Churchill of the east, knighted as brilliant by his other American colleagues as they roundtable about Imperialist American. Gawd, that was both perfect and typical for you.
By the way – Chomsky holds no office. I thought we were going to leave this at “politicians?”
Does a heart transplant surgeon qualify as above and beyond? Or is that too lightweight for your vast intellect &tool;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Frist
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Oh God, please help me keep my manners today.
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Regarding 522: lots of sturm und drang signifying nothing. Tigre, I maintain YOU still don’t get it. The GOP voters desperately want anyone but Romney. If Romney hadn’t been campaigning for the job for the last five years he wouldn’t even be cracking 15%.
I’m not saying Romney won’t get the nomination. He very well might. But he’s hardly a shoe-in at this point. One conservative pundit (may be Erick Erickson of RedState, but I’m not sure) is even hoping for a brokered convention.
Because of your “disdain” for Obama, you are blind to the fact that this is the weakest slate of GOP contenders offered for consideration in years, if not decades. The average GOP voter is more aware of this than are you. That is why you keep seeing the “flavor of the month” pop up every six weeks and then sink like a stone.
Here’s the latest from Erickson on Huntsman:
I have to say I may have to seriously reconsider saying I’d never, ever, never vote for Jon Huntsman. He is more consistently conservative than either Newt or Romney, more pro-life than either, and a far more competent executive than either. He and Perry also are very real and sincere family men. Jon Huntsman clearly adores his family and I have concluded, despite my own misgivings about him, that he would govern more consistently to the right of Mitt Romney than even his campaign team would have us believe.
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Here’s the Erick Erickson piece on a brokered convention:
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/12/06/getting-to-a-brokered-convention/
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Oh yes Gorilla, it is SO important what we eat and don’t eat on Pearl Harbor day! Absolutely a critical piece of evidence about our patriotism. Dammit, I bet Sidwell is still calling those potato snacks “french fries” instead of Freedom Fries.
F*cking communists!!!!!
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Oh BTW G, sorry to hear about your ankle. Glad you didn’t squash your kid in the process. Reminds me of when my wife fell “up” the stairs carrying my daughter in her arms. She had the good sense to toss the kid up onto the landing before she crashed.
Glad to hear you’re on the mend. I presently have clear fluid “leaking” from above my left ankle, which is chronically swollen.
Aside to Dr. Taylor: I just got fitted yesterday for support hose for the swollen foot in the hope of keeping the fluids from settling down there. Damn aging is a bitch!!!
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Rutherford, there are times I appreciate your insight, even when we disagree. This isn’t one of them. This comment was either so dishonest, it is worthy of condemnation. Or, you are so desperate, you have to be attempting to throw grease into the path of the Republican nomination, in the hopes you can damage the candidates to somehow prevent Obama truly being further challenged. You know Obama is a lightweight. I’m sure of it.
No, it is not. As a Republican, I am far more pleased now than I was in 2008 with the selection of candidates. Once again, I think I speak from a far more reasonable approach than your bias, as I am a Republican looking at the field of possible candidates. Though none of my “A” choices are running, Rubio, Ryan, Daniels, Bob McDonnell, perhaps even Chris Christie and Tom Coburn just to name a few, other than Bachmann, Paul & Santorum, the remaining candidates are far preferable to John McCain. I hadn’t considered Newt a real possibility until the past couple of months. Assuming Newt intends to carry out what he has said, he would be my current candidate of choice by a hair. I have changed my tune about Newt because desperate times call for desperate measures. And these times I know as desperate as surely as the sun rose this morning. We are running out of time.
That in no way means I am anti-Romney. Quite the contrary, I find Romney bright, experienced, well spoken, and infinitely better than John McCain. I will happily and enthusiastically support Mitt Romney if he is the candidate of choice. I would not mind seeing Romney as Pres and Newt as V.P. either, if that possibility were to occur. I don’t think the reverse ticket a possibility. I think my suggestion would be a most formidable combination. And I willingly admit my mouth salivates at the thought of Newt Gingrich debate Barack Obama. It is time that Barack Obama is dragged onto the national stage without assistance and stand on his own accord, without cover from the media and his cabal of criminals. People need to understand and observe what the “Chicago” way really is and what it eventually leads to.
As you are aware, for longer than Obama has been President, I have thought of Obama a limited character in capability, thought and deed. Even when he won, I thought Obama a poor debater with limited skill set short of a prepared speech. He is poorly read and incredibly superficial. I think Obama is not only a horrible President, but a man of little principle or character, with an ego that makes Newt Gingrich look like Billy Graham. It’s obvious just reading the liberal news, off the stage Obama is a nasty piece of work. And so is his wife.
And I don’t apologize for one second saying I am glad Obama’s policies have failed miserably. They were always bad for the country, just as I contend and am right about men like Poolman being a detriment to this country. It is why we are in such trouble as a nation. It is imperative we clean house, and it needs to start at the top.
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huckingfypocrites | December 7, 2011 at 1:48 pm
“I recall Huck saying he had to register as an indi also, even though his ideology aligns with the right. I think that is because most university profs are lefties and this gives him the proper “camouflage” to get hired. ”
I had been a registered republican for years and vote GOP for president. But its 50-50 on my voting on social issues. I am no way, shape, or form a social conservative. I am pretty moderate in that area. So my switching, while motivated by something specific, wasn’t really out of line with my ideologies.
As for GOP intellectuals, the first one that pops into my head is Condi Rice. (Now comes the “you think she’s an intellectual? pffft” comments which is why I didn’t answer that question last night)
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thorsaurus | December 7, 2011 at 1:57 pm
“That was the bloodiest day on U.S. soil until the 2001 September 11th attacks on Washington, New York and Pennsylvania.”
I would think that would have been day two or three at Gettysburg. Pickett’s charge.
Good thing I’m not a Democrat. You guys might think I’m as dumb as Bob Wire.
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 2:05 pm
At least with my Bob Wire (you obviously aren’t terribly traveled, or you would have understood; like Cuber with your hero Kennedy), I was able to correct my mistake.
Can our “serrogate” liberal say the same?
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huckingfypocrites | December 7, 2011 at 2:07 pm
And I would put Charles Krauthammer up against ANY democrat intellectual.
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Poolman, I have a question for you I’ve wanted to ask for a long time. You never make any sense to me, so I avoided it for the most part. Serious question requiring serious answer. Give it some thought before you type.
Since you seem to be an admirer of Noam Chomsky, who I would consider one of the worst living Americans, any American from any generation for that matter, and far surpassing anything radical Obama has spoken, why are you a registered Independent?
Your entire political philosophy is very closely based to Bill Ayers, People for the American Way, George Soros, Ward Churchill, Code Pink, and Media Matters? That doesn’t just make you a Dimocrat, but an uber progressive of the most staunch order. America is the problem of all ills – though I note none of you ever move to greener pastures.
I provide you some proof so that I can elucidate my claim. Read this and tell me this isn’t straight up your alley. Note the names mentioned: all far left, some even considered radical by most.
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=160A33C8-58FE-45A6-949B-1A6C9ED1A31A
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 2:28 pm
I could easily add the names VDH and George Will to the mix too, Huck. Condi Rice wasn’t a bad answer but I could have done better with many from George Bush Sr. and Ronald Reagan’s cabinet – one recently died by the name of Lawrence Eagleburger coming to mind.
But since Poolman specifically said the Dimocratic party lends itself to…I was going to keep this specific – as in the intellectual representatives themselves, because he specifically mentioned and they must be “alive.”
Who are the intellectuals in the Dimocratic party these superior intellects are held sway? Obama? Hillary? Where are these superior intellects that Poolman speaks representing the intellectuals? I mean, you can’t hardly be called an intellectual and then chose a party of mindless hacks to represent you while seriously want to be referred to as “intellectual” yourself.
Unless of course, the game is to manipulate the masses. Does George Soros ring a bell?
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Bill Frist??????
Wasn’t he the yahoo who said AIDS could be spread through tears (from the eye, not tears in the skin)?
Now we see why Tex and Tigre demanded that Poolman “go first”.
Admit it boys … your conservative intellectual heroes are all gone. William F. Buckley would be ashamed to the point of suicide to witness the current crop of dingbats.
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 2:57 pm
You know Huck …. I can sign up for Condi Rice as an intellectual. I think you’re right there.
Maybe the sad truth is no true intellectual would ever run for office? Another unelected conservative intellect might be Henry Kissinger.
I know you guys will say pfffft (to quote Huck) but I think Zbig Brzezinski qualifies as an intellectual also.
Of the current crop of yahoos, I think Paul may well be the smartest. I bet the guy knows Hayek backwards and forwards. At the Huckabee debate the other night he was asked what book he would recommend all Americans read. Without too much hesitation he said “The Law” by Bastiat, hardly a dumbass recommendation if you ask me.
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an800lbgorilla | December 7, 2011 at 2:59 pm
The left is full of patent liars- not intellectuals. Its a myth, just like Obama’s genius.
Those who live in glass houses should probably not throw stones…
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Since we’ve departed from politicians, I’d offer George Will.
The funny thing about this debate is that you guys will dismiss people with whom you don’t agree as shallow thinkers. Believe it or not, it is possible for someone to be a conservative intellect and not agree with El Tigre and Tex Taylor.
The more I think about this challenge of Dem intellectual vs GOP intellectual the more I think we see a battle of heart vs brains. One of the faults of the average conservative (or a Milton Friedman) is the ability to make a great intellectual case for positions that, at least in the short term, hurt people. I think Dems argue more from the heart than the head.
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Tex, I may have my facts mixed up but I’m pretty sure Lawrence Eagleburger considered Cheney a war criminal. I seem to recall his being a frequent guest on “Countdown with Keith Olbermann”.
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 3:11 pm
Oh puhleeeeze. Resume commenting after the painkillers have worn off.
G, you know how to tell ANY politician regardless of ideology is lying? Their lips are moving.
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poolman | December 7, 2011 at 3:11 pm
By the way – Chomsky holds no office. I thought we were going to leave this at “politicians?”
There you go “thinking” again. I did not specify “politicians”, though many influence governing and the political realm. If it was just politicians, I think my “theory” would still prove true, however I don’t think the smartest folks go into politics today.
As I check on “intellectuals”, the majority are falling into the realm of independents. Like Bill Gates, who though he supports mostly democratic policies and a lot of democrats, he has also supported a republican or two.
Frist is a decent choice. I’ll give you that one. He doesn’t want to repeal Obamacare, though. He would rather build on it. That should grant you some pause.
As far as politicians, the dreaded Barney Frank and Hillary Clinton are considered brainiacs, when surveying political aides. I find them distasteful humans albeit intelligent persons. I would also include Bill Clinton in that category.
Condi IS a good choice, Huck. I had forgotten about her. I think she traded in her scruples in the name of party loyalty, but that doesn’t discount her intellect and isn’t really uncommon with either party.
Soros has supported both democrats and republicans, so I would put him in the middle like Gates, though unlike Gates, I dislike what I know of the guy immensely.
George Will? Maybe. Charles Krauthammer, yes, though his ideology should chaff some butts, ie: pro-abortion, anti-death penalty, anti-intelligent design.
“Intelligent politician” is almost an oxymoron. I see most as opportunists and psychopaths today, which does attribute a certain degree of intellect to them all, even if misdirected and self-serving.
Timothy Geithner and Ben Bernacke are definitely intelligent, but I don’t know if I would call them democrats, though they are part of a democratic administration.
Really this exercise has done more to blur the line between the left and right, to me. That is something more similar to our professional sports. Players are only loyal to their team while on the field engaged in competition. If traded, they switch loyalties. Off the “field” they often get along peachy.
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El Tigre | December 7, 2011 at 3:25 pm
R @ 536 and 537, yeah, I saw morning Joe this morning. Yawn.
So where was I wrong? You said “disdain” in one post, then it morphed onto “shoe-in.”
Since you rarely try to understand what I’ve said, this time I was focused on “disdain;” not prefer the other, wishing, wanting, hoping for better or any other variation.
Oh, and one more thing. You don;t know shit about the mindset of the typical GOPher. You really don’t. You dance to the tunes of MSNBC. Your inability to predict anything from the right (of hell left too) is sufficient evidence of the value of your observations of the GOP. So blow me.
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poolman | December 7, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Lawrence Eagleburger considered Cheney a war criminal.
If you go strictly by the written word, his AND the law, he is. We just don’t have the balls to prosecute him. A big part of the injustice we foster nationally and globally.
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El Tigre | December 7, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Who are the dem intellectuals you are talking about Poolma? Bubbles Brzezinski counts as an intellectual to Rutherford? She sometimes sits next to Pat Buchanan (I’d consider him an intellectual). Does that count?
And then R talks about the dems “thinking with their heart, not their head.” How cute. Is that an admission?
You know, Paris Hilton thinks with her heart and not her head too.
Mead thinks with his head, is a dem, and thinks Obama is a disaster that needs to go. Is it just a cold heart?
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 4:02 pm
You think Bill Frist, one the leading heart transplant surgeons in America, an Ivy league graduate from Princeton and rating high enough in his class to make it to the highest of his profession, credentialed beyond belief and a multimillionaire from his business acumen alone, is dumb Rutherford?
Gawd, you have some intellectual capacity in conjunction with the obvious affirmative action of daddy’s little boy to help you get into an elite university. But I can now say beyond a shadow of a doubt you are stupid. Really stupid. Stupid like an older version of Densico stupid. No wonder the black community is so fucked up, if you two are on par with its finest. Helpless without government. New Orleans and Katrina helpless, sitting on roofs like dumb barnyard animals. And not even tasty.
I am ashamed that I have defended you on occasion. It won’t happen again. You are on their fundamental plane with Poolman and the rest of that hopeless, moronic cast.
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huckingfypocrites | December 7, 2011 at 4:15 pm
The Perry ad that just ran on Fox News makes me want to vomit….
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Tex Taylor | December 7, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Of course Rutherford will lend some credential to Condi. She’s black.
Boys, I can’t carry on a real conversation with these assholes anymore – at least not daily. There’s a level of stupidity, Jew hating and traitorous want I can no longer tolerate on a daily basis.
I leave them to you until the election draws nearer and the smoke blows over.
Rutherford is not a serious opponent, if he ever was. I say this in all seriousness. Rutherford’s life took a terrible turn for the worse the minute Obama started failing. That’s how empty these leftist bastards and bitches are, with their lives (and livelihoods) hanging in the balance of another political win. You don’t get more empty than these clucks. I wasn’t fooled then, and I’m not fooled now. They have no idea what to do and little hope of a future. Even if Obama should win, their outlook is bleak. Let them burn.
We’ve got a genuine American hating prick, the utter and complete moron of Noam Chomsky worth in Poolman
, a couple of unedifying atheistic Fat Granny cast offs that apparently are pretty unstable, and Rutherford – the ultimate tool and parrot. I’d do believe it would better to mock Fat Grannies for a time. This is boring. If we were playing the game of paintball, I covered these clucks two years ago. With your help, there’s no where else left to shoot that isn’t covered.
Sometimes, it’s best to put the gun away and let them bleed out. We can dispose of the carcass later. Won’t smell any worse then than it does now.
Gorilla, I will soon provide an admission.
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Bill Frist on AIDS via tears and sweat:
It would be very hard. It would be very hard for tears and sweat, I mean, you can get virus in tears and sweat but in terms of the degree of infecting somebody, it would be very hard.
That’s not a no. If Frist were smart, the answer would have been no. Tex you only gloat about credentials when it’s your guy. When “my” guy has credentials you condemn the institution he or she got them from.
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/bill-frist-true-face-pro-life-anti-cont
AND while I don’t believe in euthanasia, I also have to wonder about the wisdom of a sitting Senator giving a professional opinion of a patient based on video he has watched. That may be proper conduct for your typical “Tennessee doctor” but it seems a bit off to me.
Now I know this was stated just to get me riled but just in case I misunderstood it …. my Dad graduated from Brooklyn College and got his Masters from St. John’s University. So explain to me how his elite status got me into Harvard? (BTW, you needn’t go here …. I’m the first to admit that while I had a solid high school record, my disability (NOT my race) was appealing to Harvard’s admissions board.)
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 5:16 pm
It’s clear from the last few comments that you forgot your dose this morning Tex. If you forget, can you take the dose as soon as you remember or do you have to wait until the next dose?
I’d refrain from further comments until you get caught up.
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 5:32 pm
I think you mean 535 and 536 Tigre. So you also watched Morning Joe this morning … so the f*ck what? Is Erickson too liberal for you?
You can call it disdain, indifference, lack of confidence … who cares? … 75% of the GOP being polled DON’T like Romney. And with that, you can good Sir, blow me!
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poolman | December 7, 2011 at 5:44 pm
I’ll make a “Frist-like” diagnosis based on the evidences I have seen…
I think Tex is back to drinking soda and smoking cigarettes in addition to chewing nicorette. Thus the spikes in mood.
Frustration with every worldly thing and lack of a positive stress outlet is going to kill him, which despite what he thinks, would not be my goal or suit my pleasure.
Naive as I am, I feel like it would be nice for us all to get together for a beer summit.
Then, of course, the slap boxing and arm wrestling would ensue, proving once and for all that physical attributes and abilities amount to the greatest achievements and highest accomplishments of the modern human race. 
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El Tigre | December 7, 2011 at 5:56 pm
“You can call it disdain, indifference, lack of confidence … who cares? … 75% of the GOP being polled DON’T like Romney. And with that, you can good Sir, blow me.”
Oh how I wish you’d read and consider what I actually write. You’re just shadow boxing.
I don’t acre what Erickson said. My comments were directed to your point; not his. And frankly, if you can’t see a difference between disdain, indifference, lack of confidence, it’s obvious that the handicap that gave you admissions presence to Haaarvaaaad was not physical.
Why must all of your thought and perspective come from MSNBC?
As for blowing you, I will admit you are owed one since your jaw must be tired from pleasuring Obama for 3 years now. But I’ll leave the reciprocity to the pros.
Poolman, open wide. You’re on deck!
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poolman | December 7, 2011 at 6:13 pm
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 7:24 pm
Mmmmm, Tigre, let’s see if we can ride this logic train together for once.
if you can’t see a difference between disdain, indifference, lack of confidence …
Disdain = I won’t vote for Mitt
Indifference = I won’t vote for Mitt
Lack of confidence = I won’t vote for Mitt
Let’s simplify the argument. At this point, I give Mitt a 60% chance of getting the nomination. No I did not get that stat from MSNBC.
What do you think the odds are?
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El Tigre | December 7, 2011 at 7:36 pm
“I’m certain a professional stogie toker like yourself would be much more experienced in such matters.”
Unlike the dems, I restrict the use of cigars to smoking — not pleasuring.
Since we’re talking about Rutherford, you’re years of cigarette smoking makes infinitely more qualified. Get busy and be as charitable as you want, Marlboro Man.
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El Tigre | December 7, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Hmmmm R, let’s see if “I” can simplify.
Read what I wrote at #522 so I don’t have to retype it. It’s all there.
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 7:41 pm
Or would that be pro boner?
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Rutherford | December 7, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Oh no … I have to read 522 again? It was painful reading it the first time. But since your prose gives me some pleasure, what the hell.
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Now that I’ve read it again, your point is? Let’s set our wayback machine not quite so far back. Until Iowa, Clinton was the presumptive nominee. Hell, even blacks supported her over Obama. When Obama won Iowa, people said “sh*t, the dude can actually win” and then the race got underway in earnest. Clinton had her enemies but had some vociferous supporters. That’s why she kept winning primaries and making Obama’s eventual nomination hard-won. Bottom-line, Clinton was the favorite going in and got whupped.
When folks started lining up for GOP-alooza 2012, Romney was the presumptive nominee. Unlike Clinton, he’s never fired up any huge excited following. Challenging Mitt has been like a game of musical chairs. The music stops January 3. All data points to Gingrich getting the seat and Romney being left standing.
Now, as I said before, I think Newt scares/pisses off enough people that Romney will most likely still emerge the candidate. In November, folks like you will stuff Kleenex up your nose when you vote for him.
So do you simply want me to retract my word “disdain”? Maybe the negative feelings toward Romney are milder than that. Regardless, I say he better sleep with one eye open or his clock will be cleaned by Newt or a late draft.
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poolman | December 7, 2011 at 9:29 pm
Interesting. Not for pleasure? Hmmmmmmm. Mosquito problem?
My lips HAVE kissed plenty of butts – mind you, it has been 14 years. At my age, I’m certain your lips are MUCH more supple.
It’s said that charity begins at home. You homies were here waaaaayy before me. Besides, Camels were my brand of choice in the early years. Later I switched to B&H lights and eventually generics. I NEVER could do
men at allmenthol. Strictlyheterosexualregular for me.571.
poolman | December 7, 2011 at 9:51 pm
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El Tigre | December 7, 2011 at 11:14 pm
“Interesting. Not for pleasure? Hmmmmmmm. Mosquito problem?”
I said pleasuring doofus.
Lewinsky can fill you in on it.
To explain the rest is too painful. Suffice it to say I was not flattering you or Rutherford.
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El Tigre | December 7, 2011 at 11:36 pm
“Now that I’ve read it again, your point is?”
Fuck R. Tex is right. This is a wasted effort. You win. Mitt is disdained. There is no difference in the terms. Hate is the same as indifferent. My Kerry example can be ignored. Set your wayback machine to whatever date allows you to conveniently avoid the analogy. Believe what you want. All here that said they would vote for Romney even reluctantly were lying. Your analysis that he has a 60% chance is easily reconciled with the contempt for him felt by the right.
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No need for a dictionary Humpty Dumpty. We have stepped through the looking glass:
‘I don’t know what you mean by “glory”,’ Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. ‘Of course you don’t — till I tell you. I meant “there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!”‘
‘But “glory” doesn’t mean “a nice knock-down argument”,’ Alice objected.
‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
‘The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.’
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything; so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. ‘They’ve a temper, some of them — particularly verbs: they’re the proudest — adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs — however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That’s what I say!’
‘Would you tell me please,’ said Alice, ‘what that means?’
‘Now you talk like a reasonable child,’ said Humpty Dumpty, looking very much pleased. ‘I meant by “impenetrability” that we’ve had enough of that subject, and it would be just as well if you’d mention what you mean to do next, as I suppose you don’t mean to stop here all the rest of your life.’
‘That’s a great deal to make one word mean,’ Alice said in a thoughtful tone.
‘When I make a word do a lot of work like that,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘I always pay it extra.’
‘Oh!’ said Alice. She was too much puzzled to make any other remark.”
-Through the Looking Glass, by Lewis Carroll
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poolman | December 7, 2011 at 11:42 pm
I’m certain it wasn’t meant to be flattering.
I mean it’s gotten cold here, but it’s a far cry from all hell freezing over.
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El Tigre | December 8, 2011 at 12:10 am
“All data points to Gingrich getting the seat and Romney being left standing.”
Well even your Morning Joe Gurus didn’t say that. Where did you get your data?
Noonan had it right.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/
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El Tigre | December 8, 2011 at 12:18 am
Ah,I see R. You meant impenetrability!
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huckingfypocrites | December 8, 2011 at 1:57 am
Any slight feelings I might have had in favor of voting for Newt went bye-bye when he mentioned Bolton for SoS. He is a terrible diplomat.
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thorsaurus | December 8, 2011 at 4:22 am
“I was able to correct my mistake.
Can our “serrogate” liberal say the same?” – Tex
I was able to accept mine. Hardly a “Capital Hill” offense.
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poolman | December 8, 2011 at 4:38 am
Americans are slow learners… 70 years, 60 years…
In each of our examples, no one was firmly in charge of managing the case and able to draw relevant intelligence from anywhere in the government, assign responsibilities across the agencies (foreign or domestic), track progress, and quickly bring obstacles up to the level where they could be resolved. Responsibility and accountability were diffuse.
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm
Deja vu…
The Army Board had gone out of its way to light up the muddle made by divided command – an issue more important than its showing that stupidity has been countenanced and even rewarded, that military intelligence had been mishandled. The proposal to combine all U.S. fighting services in one department – which the Army advocates, the Navy mortally hates & fears – was before Congress. The Army Board had already made the first cogent argument in the debate.
http://norcaltruth.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/time-magazine-1945-looks-at-pearl-harbor.pdf
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thorsaurus | December 8, 2011 at 4:53 am
“I leave them to you until the election draws nearer and the smoke blows over.” – Tex
Wow, what got your man-thong in such a twist? Well, if you really mean it, let me be the first to offer you a traditional “Asian” farewell, aloha.
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thorsaurus | December 8, 2011 at 5:27 am
Condy Rice, titan of intellect.
Then National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice said: “I don’t think that anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use an airplane as a missile … even in retrospect there was nothing to suggest that.”
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an800lbgorilla | December 8, 2011 at 6:31 am
“Any slight feelings I might have had in favor of voting for Newt went bye-bye when he mentioned Bolton for SoS. He is a terrible diplomat.” – Huck
Not to defend Bolton, but what exactly is a good diplomat in your mind?
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an800lbgorilla | December 8, 2011 at 7:36 am
Speaking of diplomats, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
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an800lbgorilla | December 8, 2011 at 7:40 am
Oh boy….
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pfesser53 | December 8, 2011 at 7:51 am
Poolman -
I am curious. Why have you eliminated Romney completely? If he and Obama are the candidates, what choice do we have?
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pfesser53 | December 8, 2011 at 9:23 am
R opined -
‘It would be very hard. It would be very hard for tears and sweat, I mean, you can get virus in tears and sweat but in terms of the degree of infecting somebody, it would be very hard.’
“That’s not a no. If Frist were smart, the answer would have been no.”
Not so. Stay with me, Rutherford – don’t spin off into that “black or white, yes or no, with me or agin’ me” binary thought process that typifies the Right these days. Even for the most well-settled medical science, there is never a 100% likelihood of Anything. C’mon, man – you know that…
“Senator giving a professional opinion of a patient based on video he has watched. That may be proper conduct for your typical “Tennessee doctor” but it seems a bit off to me.”
Engaging in a little “South-ism” there, are we? Think Tennessee is a backwater? Steve Jobs didn’t think so when he went there for his liver transplant. I think you might be conflating Bill’s doctoring with his “ReBiblican-ing.” His nonsense on Terry Schiavo was political posturing and toe-ing the ReBiblican party line, not medicine. He knows better, I assure you.
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El Tigre | December 8, 2011 at 9:33 am
Numbnutz, what is the deal with your 581? In retrospect, there were no warnings that the 9/11 attacks were coming? So? I don’t “get” your criticism contemporaneously or in retrospect. Have you bought into Poolman’s troofer lunacy?
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Raji | December 8, 2011 at 10:50 am
Just to set the record straight
Intelligence.
the ability to learn facts and skills and apply them, especially when this ability is highly developed
Intellectual
having a highly developed ability to think, reason, and understand, especially in combination with wide knowledge
I don’t find many intellectuals in either party although there are several intelligent people in both parties.
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poolman | December 8, 2011 at 11:25 am
Condi was lying through her teeth, as records DO prove.
That’s why he pointed it out, I think.
Not that lying and intellect CAN’T mix.
I’m sure you know that, even if you don’t have all the facts.
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an800lbgorilla | December 8, 2011 at 11:39 am
What records?
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Rutherford | December 8, 2011 at 11:40 am
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot indeed! Cuba is a terrorist sponsoring nation? Isn’t that a touch of hyperbole?
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Rutherford | December 8, 2011 at 11:47 am
PF that is especially true where the AIDS via tears argument comes in. If I believed Frist’s motive was “I want to be extra cautious so I’m not going to completely rule out transmission via tears and sweat”, then I might be more sympathetic. But I viewed it as his hanging onto a thread of logic for the sake of fanning homophobia.
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poolman | December 8, 2011 at 11:48 am
I am curious. Why have you eliminated Romney completely?
He appears to be a COMPLETE shill, where I think Obama is trying, however ineffectual it may be, to slow the train down as much as he can before it smacks into the avalanche ahead that is covering the not to distant tracks.
I will leave ALL options open, but from my caboose view, Obama would be the lesser of two evils IF they are the only two on the ballot.
If RP decides to run as a third party, it will split the three evenly, IMO, based on RP’s popularity that is still rising and despite the media treatment.
That is IF we make it until next November with our liberties still intact, and continue to have our “freedom”. And that is a very huge IF.
Ray McGovern has some well-placed concern. He holds some pretty good credentials after working under seven administrations. Watch out for more dust…
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an800lbgorilla | December 8, 2011 at 11:48 am
No
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El Tigre | December 8, 2011 at 11:50 am
This about captures it:
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Rutherford | December 8, 2011 at 11:54 am
In keeping with Raji’s dictionary citation, I went to the American Heritage Dictionary for my own bit of fact checking and I hereby surrender to El Tigre.
“Disdain” is synonymous with “despise”. I actually thought the word was softer in meaning than that.
I will concede that the GOP primary voters don’t disdain Romney. They hold him in low regard and they don’t trust him.
Many on the right do disdain Obama.
One for you El Tigre but I shall return to fight again!!!!
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El Tigre | December 8, 2011 at 11:56 am
Raji, you’re really growing on me. When the topic came up my forst thought was, “what qualifies as an intellectual for either party?” And, “how can one side lay claim to the title ‘the party of intellectuals’ without basing it on some objective standard?”
In other words Raji, you’re right.
Yet I still asked to see Poolman’s evidence.
Shame on me.
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El Tigre | December 8, 2011 at 11:59 am
R, your admission is the kind that comes from “bigger men” (so to speak). I think it speaks well of you. Really.
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Rutherford | December 8, 2011 at 12:02 pm
That is a classic Onion video.
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El Tigre | December 8, 2011 at 12:04 pm
But I must add, that I don’t agree with this statement in a vacuum because it is relative and dependent on the context of the primary process.
I will concede that the GOP primary voters don’t disdain Romney. They hold him in low regard and they don’t trust him.
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an800lbgorilla | December 8, 2011 at 12:18 pm
“Many on the right do disdain Obama.” – R
Odious contempt would be more accurate.
Odious : arousing or deserving hatred or repugnance : HATEFUL
Contempt : athe act of despising : the state of mind of one who despises : DISDAIN b : lack of respect or reverence for something
If you lie to me enough, this is where you wind up…
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an800lbgorilla | December 8, 2011 at 12:21 pm
HELL EXPLAINED BY A CHEMISTRY STUDENT
The following is an actual question given on a University of Arizona
chemistry mid term, and an actual answer turned in by a student.
The answer by one student was so ‘profound’ that the professor
shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now
have the pleasure of enjoying it as well :
Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic
(absorbs heat)?
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle’s Law
(gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant.
One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time.
So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate
at which they are leaving, which is unlikely.. I think that we can safely
assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls
are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let’s look at the
different religions that exist in the world today.
Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of
their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these
religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can
project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are,
we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we
look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle’s Law states
that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the
volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.
This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which
souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase
until all Hell breaks loose.
2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of
souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell
freezes over.
So which is it?
If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman
year that, ‘It will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you,’ and take
into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number two must
be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen
over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it
follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore,
extinct….. ….leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a
divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting ‘Oh my
God.’
THIS STUDENT RECEIVED AN A+.
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huckingfypocrites | December 8, 2011 at 12:29 pm
“Not to defend Bolton, but what exactly is a good diplomat in your mind?”
One that uses finesse to play the game (of diplomacy). Bolton uses a heavy hand. He seems to think heavy handed policies require a heavy-handed delivery and representation. They are 2 different things that don’t have to go together.
Had he been a better diplomat we’d have likely had more UN support for Iraq War II.
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an800lbgorilla | December 8, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Really? You don’t think Oil-for-Food complicity colored the chances of that getting an honest evaluation?
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huckingfypocrites | December 8, 2011 at 12:34 pm
“Condy Rice, titan of intellect.
Then National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice said: “I don’t think that anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use an airplane as a missile … even in retrospect there was nothing to suggest that.””
See. People like Thorsaurus are why I didn’t want to answer that question in the first place.
Now where is your answer to that question so we can make fun of whatever moron you pick?
And it’s “Condi” not “Condy.” If you’re going to talk shit about someone’s intellect at least spell their fucking name right when you do it.
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huckingfypocrites | December 8, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Dr. Rice has a Ph.D. in political sciences.
Obama has what?….a master’s degree in something?
Condi Rice was the provost of Stanford University.
Obama was what?….an editor of something?
Condi Rice is a university professor.
Obama was what?….a guest lecturer somewhere?
Condi Rice has sat on multiple corporation boards.
Obama has been a community organizer.
I’ll put her intellect against your man Obama any day of thew week.
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thorsaurus | December 8, 2011 at 1:37 pm
I’ll put her intellect against your man Obama any day of thew week.
How many days are there in thew week?
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El Tigre | December 8, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Thor, stop digging. I don’t want to downgrade you.
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poolman | December 8, 2011 at 1:53 pm
And you’re supposedly “in the know” ?
Or is that, “in the NO”?
From CNN…
U.S. intelligence officials had several warnings that terrorists might attack the United States on its home soil — even using airplanes as weapons — well before the September 11, 2001 attacks, two congressional committees said in a report released Wednesday.
http://articles.cnn.com/2002-09-18/politics/intelligence.hearings_1_federal-intelligence-agencies-terror-attacks-world-trade-center?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS
And this site with links to evidence…
Condoleeza Rice and other Bush administration officials claimed no one could have imagined that terrorists would use airplanes to crash into buildings. This is a blatant lie, as a multitude of sources have contradicted such claims.
http://www.truthmove.org/content/warnings-foreknowledge/
One of MANY press briefings, this with Ari Fleischer…
But I have presented this before. Often.
sigh…
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thorsaurus | December 8, 2011 at 2:19 pm
ET – I don’t think Rice knew they were boarding planes that morning. But she should have known that these methods and targets were in play. She was the NSA.
Algerian terrorists who in 1994 tried to fly an Air France plane into the Eiffel Tower;
Project Bojinka in 1995 to blow up 11 planes simultaneously and crash a twelfth into CIA headquarters and thirteenth into the Pentagon;
An August 2001 plot to fly a plane into a US embassy in Nairobi or bomb it from a plane (p. 81).
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Raji | December 8, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Gorilla
I think we can safely assume that student has been offered many jobs especially as a Diplomat
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El Tigre | December 8, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Numbnutz, that’s a complete non-sequitur. Put the shovel down and reread your own Condi quote. I know terrorists use suicide vests. That doesn’t mean I know where and when, nor have you shown that she did and is therefore an intellectual “titan.”
So why didn’t your intellectual titan Clinton stop this? Hell, he even had the world trade center bombing under his watch. Twice. Why didn’t he prevent them since he’s so fucking smart.
Sorry Numbnutz. You’ve been demoted.
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Pfesser | December 8, 2011 at 3:27 pm
gorilla -
“last night, Teresa kept shouting ‘Oh my
God.’ ”
Along those lines: The second grade at a Baptist elementary school was discussing heaven. The teacher posed the following question: When you die, which part of you gets to heaven first?
“I think it is your brain, because that is where your good thoughts are,” said little Susie.
“No, silly, it’s your heart, because that is where your nice thoughts are,” said little Sarah.
“What do you think, little Johnnie, asked the teacher?
“I don’t think – I know. It’s your feet.”
“Your feet? Why do you think that?”
“Last night I heard a lot of noise coming from Mommy and Daddy’s bedroom. I opened the door a little crack, and there was Mommy, lying on her back with her feet WAY up in the air, screaming, “Oh god, I’m coming!”
“And she’d-a-made it, too, if Daddy wasn’t holding her down!”
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poolman | December 8, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Jon Stewart IS news, maaan.
What an upside down world we’ve become.
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Raji | December 8, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Rutherford,
Disdain is a gentleman’s way of saying “despise” so in one way you are correct that it is a “softer” word
So El Tigre, have you been able to find an intellectual? I am defeated!
Huck, a small correction
I’ll put her “intelligence” against your man Obama any day of the week.
Rutherford,
I know it is the season to be busy, but could you please put up a new post?
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Pfesser | December 8, 2011 at 9:46 pm
I have seen the future. Just got my new iPhone 4S today. Siri is awesome. Programmed by Stephen Wolfram. He is probably the most amazing polymath of the age; it will take decades – if not centuries – to appreciate the breadth and depth of his abilities.
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dead rabbit | December 8, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Has anyone here ever suffered from a parasite? And, I’m not talking about your mooching, welfare queen cousin. I’m talking about one in your body?
Man, its been a rough week.
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thorsaurus | December 9, 2011 at 3:56 am
Piled higher and deeper.
May 15, 2002, CBS News reported that President Bush had been warned about possible al Qaeda hijackings on August 6, 2001. The Washington Post reported the story on May 16. “President Bush and his top advisers were informed by the CIA early last August that terrorists associated with Osama bin Laden had discussed the possibility of hijacking airplanes,” the paper reported. “White House spokesman Ari Fleischer confirmed that Bush had been told about the possibility of hijackings but he declined to say what had been revealed during his intelligence briefings.” On May 16, Rice held a press briefing; she insisted that no one could have envisioned the events of September 11. “I don’t think anybody could have predicted that these people…would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile,” Rice said.
Rice’s remark was surpassingly odd. No one could have predicted use of a hijacked plane as a missile? In fact, ever since September 11, news reports had mentioned earlier warnings about that very sort of activity. On May 18, 2002, the Post’s Bob Woodward and Dan Eggen challenged Rice’s statement. After quoting Rice’s remark, they outlined some previous warnings:
WOODWARD AND EGGEN: But a 1999 report prepared for the National Intelligence Council, an affiliate of the CIA, warned that terrorists associated with bin Laden might hijack an airplane and crash it into the Pentagon, White House or CIA headquarters.
The report recounts well-known case studies of similar plots, including a 1995 plan by al Qaeda operatives to hijack and crash a dozen U.S. airliners in the South Pacific and pilot a light aircraft into Langley.
“Suicide bomber(s) belonging to al-Qaida’s Martyrdom Battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives (C-4 and semtex) into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or the White House,” the September 1999 report said.
Woodward and Eggen recounted case studies which they said were “well-known.” But if these cases were well-known to some, they apparently weren’t well-known to Rice. On May 19, the Post’s Steve Fainaru examined the matter further:
FAINARU: A broad array of signals—from foiled plots to FBI field interviews—suggested for years that al Qaeda-affiliated terrorist groups had considered employing airplanes as missiles and U.S. flight schools as pilot training grounds.
The clues included a 1995 plot to blow up 11 American jetliners over the Pacific Ocean, then crash a light plane into CIA headquarters—a suicide mission to have been carried out by a Pakistani pilot who had trained at flight schools in North Carolina, Texas and New York.
FBI investigators visited two of the flight schools in 1996 after the plot was uncovered in the Philippines, school operators said. In 1998 and 1999, analysts warned federal officials that terrorists might crash hijacked aircraft into landmarks such as the Pentagon and the World Trade Center. Then, last July, the Italian government closed airspace over Genoa and mounted antiaircraft batteries based on information that Islamic extremists were planning to use an airplane to kill President Bush. “There’s a lot of stuff that was out there,” said Stephen Gale, a terrorism specialist at the University of Pennsylvania who presented an analysis warning of airborne attacks to Federal Aviation Administration security officials in 1998.
Fainaru provided more detail about that 1995 plot:
FAINARU: The plot was uncovered when a Pakistani national, Abdul Hakim Murad, was discovered mixing a bomb in his Manila apartment. He later confessed to Philippine authorities that he was part of a conspiracy to deploy five-man teams to plant bombs on 11 planes operated by United, Delta and Northwest airlines…
As part of “Project Bojinka”—Serbo-Croatian for “loud bang”—Murad was to crash a light aircraft loaded with explosives into CIA headquarters at Langley, he later told investigators…
Murad’s arrest came 13 days after four members of an Algerian terrorist group linked to al Qaeda hijacked an Air France flight as it prepared to leave Algeria for Paris. French authorities learned that the men planned to crash the plane into a Paris landmark such as the Eiffel Tower; commandos killed the hijackers during a refueling stop before the suicide plot could be carried out.
According to Fainaru, the Eiffel Tower had also been a target. For the record, earlier reports had described the plan differently, saying the Algerians had planned to explode the hijacked plane over the Paris landmark.
At any rate, Rice’s comment was hard to square with these earlier, “well-known” episodes. Was Rice really ignorant of these matters? Or had she been bending it—bending it good? You’d think a real press corps would want to know, but we have never seen Rice questioned about her odd May 16 statement. Nor was she asked last Wednesday night about the startling report from the White House, in which we were told that the president’s National Security Adviser hadn’t read last October’s NIE.
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an800lbgorilla | December 9, 2011 at 6:45 am
Have you read the Aug 6 PDB report?
20/20 hindsight is fun at the movies, but doesn’t work so well in reality when approaching predictive analysis. Find mistakes, learn from mistakes, move on.
I don’t think there is any doubt that there was a lack of imagination in assessing the possible threats, which, coincidentally, is pretty a common failing with major attacks. After all, Pearl Harbor was too shallow for dive bomb torpedoes
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The FBI had a guy who was pretty heavy into 9/11 priot to it happening. He died in the South Tower. Frontline has a documentary on this called The Man Who Knew. I HIGHLY recommend folks watch it. Let’s also not forget that Jamie Gorelick INTENTIONALLY PREVENTED law enforcement from talking to intelligence- and that included intel and law enforcement sections within the FBI itself.
But of course, Piss Pot thinks that 9/11 was a fabricated event by Bush, which is interesting since references missed opportunities to predict a 9/11 like event during the CLINTON administration. The basic fact of the matter is that we didn’t predict and thus prevent 9/11 because:
1) We couldn’t/wouldn’t connect the dots because we specifically prevented ourselves from putting the dots in the same basket.
2) We didn’t have the diabolical imagination to foresee this type of event.
3) Inter-agency bureaucratic politics prevented a unity of effort towards dealing with the threat.
All of these continue today, though in different degrees, but that doesn’t change where and what they were in September 2001.
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an800lbgorilla | December 9, 2011 at 6:49 am
And you call this guy brilliant?
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an800lbgorilla | December 9, 2011 at 6:59 am
What? Tigre, BiW- WTF?
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an800lbgorilla | December 9, 2011 at 7:20 am
ACORN Visits Obama White House
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El Tigre | December 9, 2011 at 9:15 am
Gorilla, I did this with R. Holder’s definition isn’t wrong. All crimes require scienter (intent). It’ why Numbnutz is so frequently forgiven. He’s too stupid to formulate intent.
(like how he didn’t attribute his cut and paste or “bother to tie it to his titan of intellect” comment? No comment of F & F or Solyndra from Numbnutz when it comes to judging intellect?)
Now with that said, Holder’s full of shit. This like all of this administrations claims of transparency is a giant, after-the-fact cover up that was incapable of implementation because it was not coordinated. In other words, he’s lying.
If I didn’t help, hit it back in the next post. We’re in the 5 minute page load thing again because of the length of this thread.
Numbutz, that last one downgraded you to “Amoeba.” And that’s an insult to amoebas.
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an800lbgorilla | December 9, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Well, this Administration is breaking all kinds of records…
Americans leaving US in record numbers
In the 24 months before polling began, the number of Americans between the ages of 25 and 34 living abroad managed to surge from barely 1 percent to over 5.1 percent. For those under the age span wishing to move overseas, the percentage has jumped in the same amount of time from 15 percent to 40.
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poolman | December 9, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Thor,
You hit that wall, maaan.
It’s impenetrable, dude.
Nice try though.
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poolman | December 9, 2011 at 2:19 pm
I’m glad you narrowed it down a bit.
But if you mean like worms, then yeah. A long time ago when I was about 12 and ringworm in the late 70′s. Thanks for the memory. 
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poolman | December 9, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Pfesser,
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It does suck you in, doesn’t it?
But then, so do black holes.
You and I are moving in opposite directions when it comes to communication. That matrix shit is getting more warm and fuzzy by the day.
Beware the interface, my friend.
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Tex Taylor | December 9, 2011 at 5:48 pm
I think Rutherford has taken a new job with Yahoo. They and Men’s Health just voted Jennifer Aniston the hottest woman of all time. Brittney Spears is 4th.
Only Obama voters could explain that one.
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Rutherford | December 9, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Jennifer Aniston is so 20th century. I don’t get it. But then I don’t get Brittney Spears either.
Since we’re temporarily on pop culture, The X Factor lowered their competition age to 13 and the result is that 13 and 14 year olds are crying their eyes out live on TV when eliminated.
Last night was particularly hard to watch as a young and very talented girl named Rachel Crowe got eliminated. The poor thing fell to the stage in despair. Last week the same thing happened to a girl only a year or two older than Rachel.
Another bit of evidence of the downfall of western civilization.