Can a GOP Brotha Get a Break?

October 14, 2011 at 2:13 am 611 comments

Poor Herman Cain. The brother just can’t win. Every time he speaks truth he gets slammed, sometimes from the right and sometimes from the left. It once again proves how hard it is to navigate the rough seas of race in America.

First we have the famous Rick Perry racist rock incident. Perry, Governor of Texas and one-time leader in the GOP Presidential nomination contest, owned a ranch with the N word in its name. ABC’s Christiane Amanpour, among other journalists asked former Godfather Pizza CEO and Presidential contender Herman Cain his thoughts on the matter. Of course in this society we always assume we have the right to ask any black public figure his thoughts on any “black issue”. Cain could have played it cool and deflected somehow but instead he chose to tell the truth. It was a lousy name for the ranch. Herman avoided loaded terms like racist or bigoted and simply said it was highly “insensitive”. Seems to me we can all agree that naming a ranch “N****rhead” is highly insensitive to black folk. (Should upset the sensitivities of decent white folk as well.)

What did Herman get for telling the truth? He got the scorn of several right wing pundits:

You might have anticipated that Perry would face a firestorm for being associated with the property, but it’s Cain whose remarks are drawing the most criticism from the right. At RedState, Erick Erickson concluded, “It also seems to be a slander Herman Cain is picking up and running with as a way to get into second place.” Glenn Reynolds remarked that until now, Cain’s “big appeal is that he’s not just another black race-card-playing politician.” Over at the Daily Caller, Matt Lewis called Cain’s remarks “a cheap shot, and, perhaps a signal that Cain is willing to play the race card against a fellow Republican when it benefits him.”

via Faced With Perry’s “Niggerhead” Controversy, Conservatives Slam…Herman Cain | Mother Jones.

How stating the obvious concerning an offensive name is “playing the race card” is beyond me. I guess, as a Republican, Herman should have known the best course of action would be to downplay it and given a second chance, that is exactly what he did.

But telling the truth can smack you from the liberal side of the fence also. In a radio interview with Neal Boortz, Herman said that Obama has “never been a part of the black experience in America. I can talk about that. I can talk about what it really meant to be ‘po’ before I was poor. He can’t.” Well, this caused MSNBC host Ed Schultz to have a conniption and he brought on “expert black” Michael Eric Dyson to share the fit with him. They spent the better part of three minutes griping about Cain’s comment but they missed a key point. To some extent Cain was absolutely right.

How many average American black men do you know who were born in Hawaii? How many average black men do you know who grew up partly in Indonesia? How many average black men do you know who spent virtually none of their childhood on mainland America? To say that such a person has had even remotely the same experience as the average black man in America is absurd. In fact, I have always felt that the “exotic” background of Obama made him more palatable in a racially charged country than he would have been if he’d had an American ancestry of slavery. Dyson talks about Obama’s autobiography and how he describes in it “embracing his blackness.” That implies he had a choice. I guarantee Herman Cain had no choice but to embrace his blackness.

The other hilarious aspect to Ed and Michael’s outrage is how they play into a false standard of blackness implied by Cain. Cain says he was “po” before he was “poor”, suggesting that he was once very poor. Ed and Michael go on to suggest that Obama was once poor. First of all, I beg to differ. Even if Obama’s mother had financial difficulty as a single mother, Obama was raised for much of his childhood by his comfortable grandparents. He attended private schools. So painting Obama as the product of poverty is a bit much. But beyond that, why is being poor the measure of the black experience? So a poor black man is more “black” than a comfortable black man? Believe me, a comfortable black man has as much trouble catching a cab in New York City as a poor one does.

But if we get beyond economics, Cain is right on the money. Growing up on the mainland of America in the 50′s and 60′s exposes the average black man to a very different experience than the one Obama had.

So bottom line, poor Herman just can’t win. The truth gets him kicked from both ends of the political spectrum. We’ll see how long he can stay at number one. Will he be the flavor of the month or in his words “Haagen-Dazs Black Walnut” because “it tastes good all the time”?

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  • 1. poolman  |  October 14, 2011 at 3:06 am

    Racism is such a common and huge topic in American politics today. Like many of the discussions on this board, very few understand or recognize racism. With most racist people it is “normal”, a second nature if you will, that they are not fully aware of. Because it is so well ingrained in people’s motive and methods, similar to religious beliefs, it often requires a “rebirth” to recognize and repent of racist attitudes.

    Probably the biggest racist movement in the world today is the Zionist cause and manifesto. It’s very basic tenet is based on a race or tribe distinction and superiority. Yet to be openly critical of Zionism will get one accused of antisemitism and being a Jew hater, a Rutherford has pointed out. It gets very silly when Jews themselves are the very ones criticizing the whole movement.

    Herman Cain articulates well and his concepts are easy to grasp. I just can’t see the GOP getting behind him 100 percent, though he does espouse the proper rhetoric. I think this is partially because he is black. They would like to see themselves as racially neutral, but fail when it comes to actually living post racially. Not all GOPers are the same, obviously, but a major contingent still cannot get past the sins of their raising, and those sins include racist bigotry.

  • 2. huckingfypocrites  |  October 14, 2011 at 3:08 am

    I might like Cain if he wasn’t such an Islamophobe.

  • 3. an800lbgorilla  |  October 14, 2011 at 5:23 am

    Pisspot, I’m breaking my rule to talk to you right now.

    Do you believe in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

  • 4. an800lbgorilla  |  October 14, 2011 at 5:28 am

    Foxx-Piven get’s it in the face…

    http://mrctv.org/blog/frances-fox-piven-rebuked-crowd-calling-tea-party-racist

  • 7. an800lbgorilla  |  October 14, 2011 at 6:51 am

    So does that mean that you believe in the Protocols?

  • 8. an800lbgorilla  |  October 14, 2011 at 7:37 am

    What is the Zionist manifesto?

  • 9. El Tigre  |  October 14, 2011 at 8:33 am

    R, again, the democrats are the party of race. Nobody from the right is shouting down Cain because he’s black. Yet the left says (and you imply) that his nomination turns on race. To that I say, “fuck you.”

    When it comes to race, inclusion does not mean deference which is what you (and Poolman) are really yammering about. The only ones attacking Cain because of his race are blacks and those on the left. I watched Sharpton go on and on about it this morning on your beloved propaganda channel. And CAin has responded to it (brainwashing comment) and loe and behold — was called a racist by the fucking black liberal community! (sorry for the offensive word “community”).

    You belong to a party of racists Rutherford. That’s my perception and it’s a reasonable one. Cain shares the stage with white republicans and can speak without being attacked due to his race.

    So can we count on your vote for “999″ Cain? I was directly called a racist several times by those on theleft for
    having the tammarity to proclaim my opposition to the two-term junior senator and speech giver.

    p.s. I think you got the details on Perry ranch wrong. He didn’t name it. The ranch came with the name from generations past when the term had a different significance. If you tried to defend Obama for his involvement with Rev. Wright you really need to stick a sock in it you victim monger.

  • 10. an800lbgorilla  |  October 14, 2011 at 8:45 am

    The Protocols are supposedly forged. That’s the official story. Moot point, really. Know them by their fruit…” – The Chamber Pot

    R, racism case in point.

    Here the pisspot pulls a Dan Rather- yeah they’re supposedly fake but the content is true, therefore it is valid. And you R, have the nerve to insult our intelligence when it comes to the issue of race? Tell me, does perpetuating- whether in part or whole- a lie intended to malign a race of people count as racism in your book? If I was to go on about how it has been scientifically shown that black people have a smaller brain, and are therefore less intelligence than white people, how would you react? What if I was to say, ‘well, most of the scientific community disagrees, but…”, again, how would you react?

    This has been our point about this shithead for months. You say that he isn’t racist because hasn’t said, “I hate Jews”, however, the promotion of anti-Semitic propaganda never stops with him. Claiming that there is a Jewish cabal intent on dominating the world is racist. Period. What it’ll take to get this nugget of fact into your brain, I’ve no idea.

    Poolman has been very very clear on this board that he has a specific problem with Zionism. Yet many on this board call him a “Jew hater”. He has said he does not hate Jews. I don’t see anyone here focusing on his intent. I see folks focusing on their perception of his message.” – R

    The fact that he uses White Supremacist web sites doesn’t seem to bother you, provided they’re talking about Jews of course;

    The fact that he constantly reaches into a web-site vehemently anti-Jewish doesn’t bother you either;

    Nor the fact that he promotes the fallacy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which I’ll assume doesn’t bother you.

    I’m curious, what does it take for you to call him a racist?

    You seem to be going down the road of “words don’t matter”. I might agree that, screw it, let people say whatever they want to say, what’s the big deal? The question is when do words lead to horrible actions? Our history is NOT one of being kind and decent to black people. So is it any wonder that many hear the N word, or see a questionable poster and fear that lynchings might not be far behind?

    I truly recommend whenever anyone gets their dander up about blacks being too sensitive, to replace ‘black” with “Jew” and see how you feel. We bend over backwards not to appear anti-Semitic and honestly BiW I don’t see you railing against that.” – R

    We?

    The world’s history towards Jews is NOT one of being kind and decent either. Yet, you’ve given him free reign, somehow thinking that attacks against Zionism are separate and distinguished from Jews altogether. Let’s take your words and show some relevance… not your intent, I know, but relevant nonetheless.

    I’m assuming the logical leap is yours not mine. I absolutely know how important his election the State of Israel was to the black Jewish community (and to all people interested in evidence of advanced civil human rights in this country world). That makes his election their creation very important. It does NOT make him them a superior President people.

    What’s the difference?

    Back to the pisspot. Let’s clear something up for everyone reading this: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are a hoax. Period.

    The Protocols were written by the Russian secret police to target the Bolsheviks, who had a large number of Jews in their ranks. The Protocols were partially plagiarized from a satirical book, The Dialogue in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, written by a Frenchman named Maurice Joly and a book, Biarritz (which largely plagiarized Joly but added a chapter called, “At the Jewish Cemetery in Prague”) written by a Prussian named Herrmann Ottomar Friedrich Goedsche. The Protocols were intended to discredit the Bolsheviks and tamp down the popular support they were getting, except that they caught fired with a European populace that was already largely anti-Semitic. The Jews make great scapegoats, just ask the chamber pot. The Protocols also caught on with an individual you might have heard of in a little old country known for its own anti-Semitic attitudes: Adolf Hitler and Germany.

    Which brings us to the point, why we rail so hard against him. I’d encourage you to read this report talking about the history and use of the Protocols in the Middle East. One specific point I’ll highlight from the report:

    Despite the few exceptional voices noted earlier, when the Protocols are mentioned in the Arab media they are generally referred to as authentic. To be sure, there are many Arab writers who are well aware that the Protocols are a forgery. Nevertheless, most of them continue to make use of the Protocols, because, they argue, “it does not matter whether they are fact or fiction: their ‘predictions’ have largely come true.

    Sound familiar?

    The Protocols are supposedly forged. That’s the official story. Moot point, really. Know them by their fruit…” – The Chamber Pot

  • 11. an800lbgorilla  |  October 14, 2011 at 9:16 am

  • 12. an800lbgorilla  |  October 14, 2011 at 9:17 am

  • 13. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 9:48 am

    I see the welsh has taken another chance to cheap shot Jews, lending even more credibility to my charges that Brick is indeed a rabid Jew hater, always searching the net for anything damaging to the cause. Brick is kind of a throw back to an earlier day – Kike or Heb being too obvious, so they simply slander utilizing any info at their fingertips. And the internet is chock full. OWS is also chock full of them, and why Brick feels allegiance to the cause. Banking, neocons, Zion anything predominately Jewish – all must be destroyed in his warped world, blaming them for all ills.

    So The Brick grabs some self-loathing traitor and hater, and posits him as something other than lunatic fringe like he did the other day – it dominates the heretical useful idiot. Any way we can grab Maj. Nidal Malik to get his take on the American military at R.L.?

    Reminds me when whites used to grab ignorant blacks in the deep south during the Jim Crow days to solidify their claims of blacks being “smart monkeys.” My godly grandmother, who hated white racists once told me when she was young, was that locals would pin a tail on ignorant, weak-minded blacks and have them dance on tables for amusement. Yuck Yuck! Well, Brick can’t get away with something that obvious, so he seeks to slander finding any self-loathing Jew, much as Jim Crow proponents once did.

    Same game, and Rutherford – if you had an ounce of integrity, you would call The Brick on it.

    ———

    The Perry charge of racism moment was Herman’s weakest. It was indeed reminiscent of race playing by previous black politicians, including my state’s J.C. Watts who staunchly defended one Barack Obama in 2008; now J.C. has grown strangely silent – disappeared, in fact. I’ve noted here how fatuous the charges were about the ranch, and need not repeat them. And it seems to me, the only ones having difficulty navigating through race are those constantly hung up on race; white liberal elitists, white hating blacks, and anybody benefiting monetarily or politically by race pimping, including a few loathsome politicians.

    You got another fact wrong Rutherford about Rick Perry, and it is probably because of northeast ignorance of how things work in the south and southwest. Doubt this one was not done purposely, because you’re the last person on earth I see as knowledgeable deer hunter/bird hunter. Perry didn’t own the land when it was titled Niggerhead – he and his father leased the right to hunt on the acreage, which is quite common in Texas and Oklahoma.

    Perry was in no way at fault when the slang was painted, and in fact in my opinion, should have been praised for painting over the offensive jargon when taking possession. Remember, this was 1983 – and it has never even been an issue until now. It’s very obvious that Northeast media scum went looking like they did with Palin for anything to charge – anything. Texas has a small but rancid group of very liberal Dims who hate anything Republican. Fat Grannies has some of their lessers, they are characterized by dead, hell bound scum like Molly Ivins, and obviously include the creator of Fat Grannies.

    —————

    I once went on a dove hunt with on a leased piece of property and signage called Squaw’s Paradise – squaw an offensive term to many American Indians. Was I obligated to to deface the sign in order soothe the PC sensitivities? No, and in fact, I could have been arrested for doing so.

    So if the goons from the Left are going to try an implicate Rick Perry for racism, you need to first understand how frivolous your charges really are. The issue never gained steam, because it quickly became apparent that it was intended as a hit job by the lame stream media. Even libs dropped it after 24 hours, and Cain could have ended any discussion by pointing out as much. He had a right to be offended – by the asshole who asked the question to try and damage all Republican candidates.

    Cain lost my vote on that one account, unless he runs against the abominable Obama. Until that moment, I was giving some serious thought to lending my support to Cain, even if I think him marginal; marginal being a hell of a lot better than what we currently got. Cain’s backtracking was cowardly.

  • 14. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 10:23 am

    I can’t remember if anybody posted this yesterday, so if so, mea culpa. But this take down of OWS is too good – comedy pointing to hypocrisy. Doesn’t get better than that.

    Wingless, Bloodsucking and Parasitic – Meet the Flea Party!

    So far, the only major accomplishment of the “Occupy Wall Street” protesters is that they have finally put an end to their previous initiative, “Occupy Our Mothers’ Basements.”

    Oddly enough for such a respectable-looking group — a mixture of adolescents looking for a cause, public sector union members, drug dealers, criminals, teenage runaways, people who have been at every protest since the Berkeley Free Speech Movement, Andrea Dworkin look-alikes, people 95 percent of whose hair is concentrated in their ponytails and other average Democrats — they can’t even explain what they’re protesting.

    The protesters either treat inquiries about their purpose as a trick question, or — worse — instantly rattle off a series of insane causes: “No. 1, abolish capitalism; No. 2, because 9/11 was an inside job; No. 3, because Mumia is innocent …”

    Curiously, the only point universally agreed upon by the protesters and their admirers in the Democratic Party and the mainstream media is that “Occupy Wall Street” should be compared to the tea party. Yes, that would be the same tea party that has been denounced and slandered by the Democratic Party and the mainstream media for the last three years.

    As a refresher: The Democratic National Committee called the tea partiers “angry mobs” and “rabid right-wing extremists.” ABC said they were a “mob.” CNN accused them of “rabble rousing.” Harry Reid called them “evil mongers.” Nancy Pelosi said they were “un-American.” CNN’s Anderson Cooper and every single host on MSNBC called the tea partiers a name that referred to an obscure gay sex act.

    :lol: I bend the at her presence – a master.

    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-10-12.html

  • 15. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 10:33 am

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Hey “R”, make you pretty proud to hook up with these OWS angels, hey? Pretty photogenic too! :wink:

    http://www.verumserum.com/?p=30668

  • 16. El Tigre  |  October 14, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Tex, I couldn’t stand to watch the video. Was Cain told the true facts about the sign — or the Rutherford version when he responded?

  • 17. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 10:59 am

    Even if red, red Oklahoma, we’ve got some of Obama’s most venal cronies….I’ll hold our skunks up to any states skunks and win. It would be a tight race with Texas Dims.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46849

    OWS hasn’t gained much traction here, mainly because we are too busy laughing at them on the mall. But I can hardly wait for these millennial, “where’s the free dope” hippies to march on Kaiser’s castle only a blocks away.

  • 18. an800lbgorilla  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:06 am

  • 19. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Tigre,

    Was Cain told the true facts about the sign — or the Rutherford version when he responded?

    I have only seen the version of Cain asked the question and he responds. Either way, he put his foot in his mouth. Either Cain didn’t know the facts and spoke out of ignorance by assuming the worst, or he pandered under the banner of political correctness. I wasn’t so much offended, as I was aghast that he wasn’t recognizing he was being played by a corrupt media. That doesn’t bode well.

    It’s beginning to look like I’ll be holding my nose for candidate of choice again. However, at least this time, our candidates are competent in a debate – giving me a measure of hope.

    2012 is a definite referendum on a proven, abysmal failure. Now we will truly see if the ‘American public’ is really as ‘smart’ as we’ve all been instructed.

  • 20. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Gorilla, that video has already been terminated in #18. Damn!

  • 21. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Hey Brick! There’s still time and it’s just across the desert. Get your misspelled posters ready and Go for IT!

    http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/13/more-anti-semitism-at-occupy-los-angeles/

  • 22. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Gorilla because of a site outage I couldn’t watch the Maher/Maddow video but I’m pretty sure I’ve seen it already and Breitbart is a complete assh*le.

    They were not advocating the threat of violence. They were suggesting that one reason BOTH the Tea Party and OWS gained media attention is the implicit fear of violence whenever a crowd (a “mob”) assembles. It is this unspoken potential for violence that gets folk’s attention.

    I’ve decided there must be special optometrists for conservatives because the lenses you guys look through really skew reality.

  • 23. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Yet the left says (and you imply) that his nomination turns on race.

    Huh???? Where did I say that? Sometimes I think you start to read my stuff with a preconceived notion and regardless of what is on the “page” you come away with your notion validated.

  • 24. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:20 am

    BTW, I never said Perry named the ranch, Tigre … again you’re reading what you want to read and not what I wrote.

  • 25. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:21 am

    The ranch came with the name from generations past when the term had a different significance.

    So the N word was cool generations ago? You’re on a roll Tigre.

  • 26. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Cain’s backtracking was cowardly.

    So let me get this straight … Cain figured he’d lose Tex Taylor’s vote and he tried to clean up the message but Tex won’t forgive him?

    BTW … I have not seen a worse case of reading comprehension on any piece I have ever written. I took great pains to point out that Cain NEVER used the word racist or bigot to refer to Perry. He said the ranch’s name was insensitive. How much tamer a critique could the man have given?

  • 27. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:35 am

    I bend the at her presence – a master.

    Don’t bend too long Tex or she’ll f*ck you up the ass with that big dick of hers. :-)

  • 28. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Perry, Governor of Texas and one-time leader in the GOP Presidential nomination contest, owned a ranch with the N word in its name.

    Why no! You Rutherford only wrote he OWNED the ranch with the N word in its name. :roll: And that was spray painted on a rock.

    I once read Huckleberry Finn with the “n” word contained, and even had little kid’s book titled Little Black Sambo! Racist! Racist!

  • 29. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Rutherford, you savage.

    You’d boink Michelle Bachmann, Sarah Palin, and Ann Coulter in a New York picosecond, you lying sack. :lol: You’d eat glass and crawl to them if you thought there was a chance.

    And I would crawl with you, if mom were lenient.

  • 30. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Even though this piece is about the racial angle with Cain, I am fascinated that none of you dismiss him on intellectual grounds. His 9-9-9 plan (which I loved only for its simplicity) is not holding up well under scrutiny. His economic “adviser” is an accountant, not an economist.

    And, he says it’s unimportant whether or not he knows the names of world leaders because that is what his advisers are for. I said to my wife this morning, I don’t know what’s worse, Sarah Palin who pretends to be smart or Herman Cain who admits he is stupid.

  • 31. El Tigre  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Rutherford, well let’s see:

    “The brother just can’t win. Every time he speaks truth he gets slammed, sometimes from the right and sometimes from the left. It once again proves how hard it is to navigate the rough seas of race in America.”

    You weren’t talkin’ about “Ol’ Whitey” when you were describing the rough seas that he was navigating. :lol:

    You must have been talking about someone other than Perry when you said:

    “Cain could have played it cool and deflected somehow but instead he chose to tell the truth. It was a lousy name for the ranch. Herman avoided loaded terms like racist or bigoted and simply said it was highly “insensitive”. Seems to me we can all agree that naming a ranch “N****rhead” is highly insensitive to black folk.”

    What was he “avoiding” and who were you talking about Rutherford, you racist? :lol:

    I understood the name was attached before “nig^^er” was no the pejorative it is today.

  • 32. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Why no!

    I almost feel like this is a one-two punch. After the debate on the previous thread, you guys are so fired up with racial sensitivity (how ironic) that you are not reading what I wrote here. I never called Perry a racist. I don’t think Perry is a racist. All things considered, he gets a check in the plus column for having the rock painted over.

    And this is the best part … it is Perry’s TOLERANCE that damns him in your book, or at least in the book of hard core conservatives. His compassionate decision to give in-state tuition rates to children of illegals has the GOP doubled over in pain.

    You folks are a piece of work, really.

  • 33. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Tex, of the three I would only boink Sarah. I fully admit on her good days, she is hot as hell. Michele does nothing for me and I’d be afraid of getting smothered under Ann Coulter’s hair. Never has a woman been in more need of a haircut than Annie.

  • 34. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:57 am

    I understood the name was attached before “nig^^er” was no the pejorative it is today.

    Good God man are you doubling down on stupid? It’s always been a pejorative.

    I think you must have been in my Latin class in high school. Our teacher told us that blacks wouldn’t be offended by the N word if they only knew Latin and understood the word comes from the Latin root for black. Yup, those silly blacks ignorant of their Latin making a fuss over nothing. :neutral:

    You weren’t talkin’ about “Ol’ Whitey” when you were describing the rough seas that he was navigating.

    Mmmm, last time I looked Michael Eric Dyson was not white.

  • 35. an800lbgorilla  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:59 am

    R, why are you ignoring my comment?

    His economic “adviser” is an accountant, not an economist.” – R

    Paul Krugman is an economist. Right now, the Fed needs an accountant a little more than America needs the Fed to have an economist. In fact, I would argue that a conservative tax accountant would do more for the economy than an economist ever could…

  • 36. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    LOL G, I never quite thought of it that way. You might have a point although I’d suggest an accountant would be better for getting America’s books in order short term. Not sure how great he would be at long term planning.

    As for your retort to Poolman, it was a lot to take in. This “protocols of the elders of Zion” is new to me and from what I gather totally bogus. It’s grist for the mill of any conspiracy theorist and we know that is right up Poolman’s alley.

    But G, correct me if I’m wrong … didn’t Truman have major misgivings about the formation of Israel?

    Still, I do admire the surgery you did on my Obama statement turning it into advocacy for Israel. Look, unlike Poolman, my only gripe with Israel is that it is a country run by fallible men like any other country but Americans don’t treat them that way. I’m just not sure what they could do that would be beyond the pale for the United States government and I find that troubling. I might add that I don’t think we have a single ally (including Israel) that gives us that much latitude.

    I’ve said it jokingly in the past but the best thing we could do for Israel is cede New Jersey to them … rename it New Israel .. and they could all come here and live in safety and security. Let the Palestinians rot back there in the homeland.

  • 37. huckingfypocrites  |  October 14, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Isn’t it racist to refer to a black person as a “brotha?”

    I mean…your actual motivations for using the word don’t matter. What matters is that someone might be offended by the term “brotha.”

    See the can of worms that line of thinking opens up, Rutherford?

  • 38. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Tex, of the three I would only boink Sarah. I fully admit on her good days, she is hot as hell. Michele does nothing for me and I’d be afraid of getting smothered under Ann Coulter’s hair. Never has a woman been in more need of a haircut than Annie.

    WTH? Oh, this is too much.

    Buddy, you’d crawl up Chaz Maddow’s womb, and that’s with her hirsute pits and crewcut. Don’t give me that line of baloney.

    You lying dog.

  • 39. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    If anyone was offended by my insensitive use of the word “brotha” I sincerely apologize.
    :lol:

  • 40. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    LOL Tex you’ve been examining Rachel’s pits? I actually find Maddow attractive in a dorky kind of way.

  • 41. an800lbgorilla  |  October 14, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    ”LOL G, I never quite thought of it that way. You might have a point although I’d suggest an accountant would be better for getting America’s books in order short term. Not sure how great he would be at long term planning. ” – R

    The point is that you don’t need to worry about planning, the free market will do it for you.

    ”As for your retort to Poolman, it was a lot to take in. This “protocols of the elders of Zion” is new to me and from what I gather totally bogus. It’s grist for the mill of any conspiracy theorist and we know that is right up Poolman’s alley.

    But G, correct me if I’m wrong … didn’t Truman have major misgivings about the formation of Israel?

    Still, I do admire the surgery you did on my Obama statement turning it into advocacy for Israel. Look, unlike Poolman, my only gripe with Israel is that it is a country run by fallible men like any other country but Americans don’t treat them that way. I’m just not sure what they could do that would be beyond the pale for the United States government and I find that troubling. I might add that I don’t think we have a single ally (including Israel) that gives us that much latitude.

    I’ve said it jokingly in the past but the best thing we could do for Israel is cede New Jersey to them … rename it New Israel .. and they could all come here and live in safety and security. Let the Palestinians rot back there in the homeland.” – R

    Yeah, it is totally bogus, but it is more than that. It is a lie perpetuated to foment hate towards a race of people. Saying that the message of the Protocols is legitimate while superficially allowing that the messenger in the Protocols suspect is more than beyond the pail- it is out right racism. This is what I don’t get- for you, the bar for “racism” is exceedingly low for blacks, but exceedingly high for Jews. Don’t you see the hypocrisy in that?

    As for Truman, yeah, he had doubts about Israel and wasn’t particularly a lover of the Jewish people in the first place. Might I add that John F. Kennedy hated Martin Luther King Jr., but saw Nixon making strides with him and decided that he needed to be the proponent for civil rights (purely for domestic political purposes) instead of Nixon. Difference?

  • 42. thorsaurusthorsaurus  |  October 14, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    I believe God has given the Republicant’s a wonderful teaching opportunity. They can either support their ideals and agenda, despite that banner being carried by a black man, or they can support the rich white guy even though he actually has been far more liberal than them in the past. Cain’s victory in a Republican nomination process could be more transformational than Obama’s was in the general election. The road will certainly be just as tough.

    Tea Party favorability has dropped to 27%.
    OWS favorability has risen to 54%.

  • 43. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Yeah, I can see you sharing a mattress with this lovely lass Brotha R! :smile: Wada fine white woman tis be…

    http://truthwords.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/maddow.jpg

    Chaz is surely beautiful – especially when cut loose, and without her MSNBC groomer. :shock:

  • 44. an800lbgorilla  |  October 14, 2011 at 12:42 pm

  • 45. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 14, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    “Haagen-Dazs Black Walnut” because “it tastes good all the time”?

    Black walnuts suck. If I wanted something bitter, I’d chew on some espresso beans and chase them with liberal tears.

    And that’s the only comment I’ll grace this idiotic post with.

  • 46. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Doubling down on Thor, hey hey? I love that you found us Thor. I really do. Poolman is such a useless idiot. You, on the other hand, are going to prove very useful.

    Tea Party favorability has dropped to 27%.
    OWS favorability has risen to 54%.

    Uh huh. Excellent find. That is why I’m encouraging more of your polling ThorThor. You aren’t yelling loud enough at this lovefests. Yell a little louder! Join the cause! Dance naked and hit those banks hard. :smile:

    Brother “R” – you can consider my 2012 winnings a sign of significant friendship – especially when it comes out of ThorThor’s checkbook.

    I just wanted you to feel the love “R”. :wink:

  • 47. El Tigre  |  October 14, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    the pejorative “it is today.”

    Got it R. You don’t want to address the point again.

    The sign proves Rick Perry is a racist. Whatever. Another excellent post. :roll:

  • 48. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Hey BiW Happy Friday to you too.

    You have to feel a bit bad for old Blackiswhite. He’s gonna have to really hold his nose when he votes next November.

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaha :lol:

  • 49. El Tigre  |  October 14, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    And to make my point Rutherford, your new friend comes to the rescue at 42.

  • 50. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Now Tigre don’t get into a snit just because I want to discuss the post I wrote and not the imaginary one you read.

    I think it’s telling that none of you seem to have read the Ed Schultz part of the post. I guess it’s just easier for you to gripe when I attack conservatives than it is when I attack liberals.

  • 51. Alfie  |  October 14, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Rutherford check out McWhorter. I think on an intellectual level you may find something to chew on.
    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-10-04/news/30259175_1_whites-niggerhead-names

  • 52. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    They can either support their ideals and agenda, despite that banner being carried by a black man, or they can support the rich white guy even though he actually has been far more liberal than them in the past.

    It goes even deeper than that. Romney has the begrudging support of the GOP establishment. It’s the Tea Party that would ride Cain into the nomination, thus putting an end to the “racist Tea Party” meme. Just an added dimension that makes this all the more interesting.

  • 53. El Tigre  |  October 14, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    I am not in a snit. I started pointing out dems are the party of race. Thor at 42 proved my point. Sorry the conservatives aren’t attacking Cain for his race on the level you allege. Those that are attacking him are doing so because he is wrong. OBVIOUSLY his comment showed he had partially bought into the left’s lame narrative about Perry’s connection to “the rock” and what it might suggest about him. The whole reason it was ever a topic of discussion and the reason why I asked Tex if Cain really new the truth about the rock.

    The fact that you can’t see the context of Cain’s comments when referring to it as “telling the truth,” you’ve proved my point as well. :lol:

    Excellent post. :roll:

  • 54. an800lbgorilla  |  October 14, 2011 at 1:25 pm

  • 55. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Alfie, I agree with some of McWhorter’s argument. Again, I haven’t labeled Perry a racist. But this is where McWhorter and I part company:

    But to tar these whites – including Perry – as bigots requires assuming that blacks calling each other “nigger” with smiles on their faces hate one another

    Sorry, John, blacks calling each other the N word does mean they hate each other and themselves. It’s like saying “hey from now on call me sh*t head”. It’s absurd. It’s self loathing of the highest form.

    I’ve never bought into this black embrace of the N word. I’m surprised a smart man like McWhorter does.

    Oh … and Tigre … since you seem to want to suggest that the N word was once more acceptable, just how far back are you going to reach that conclusion? Please tell me where Abraham Lincoln or Frederick Douglas used the term n****r instead of Negro.

  • 56. El Tigre  |  October 14, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    The article Alfie linked to addressed it:

    “However, Perry did not name the place himself – by the time he was using it, the name was an ancient custom and not associated explicitly with insulting black people. Here, we must listen to the locals who tell us that the name was simply an utterance to them. “That’s just what people call it,” one told The Post.”

    All I wanted to suggest is precisely what I had read about it and you just did too. So quit being an asshole. If you want to accuse someone of not reading what was said, maybe you should try setting the example.

  • 57. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Hey Thor Thor,

    Run this by 99 cent movement by the pollsters, will you? You Occupiers aren’t yelling loud enough yet!!!!

    1, 2, 3, 4 what are you fighting for? Hey, did you just score? Smelly chick don’t want no more! 5,6,7,8 open up that jail cell gate, the free pizza is just great, hadn’t counted on the prison date!

  • 58. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Wups … Tigre you reminded me of something I meant to say to Alfie but forgot.

    The OTHER point about which I disagree with McWhorter is the notion that when an insult becomes common parlance among a population, it somehow justifies a get out of jail free card.

    So McWhorter is saying the ranch was named N-head without any explicit thought of “let’s name this ranch in a way that insults black people”. OK I can buy that. But all that means is that insulting black people is so de rigueur that it didn’t even cross their minds how offensive it was.

    This Tigre, is what is meant by racism being pervasive in American culture.

    I’ll give you a more current example. There was a time not long ago when bitch was only acceptable in referring to a female dog. It was considered highly offensive in talking about women. We have seen in our culture a more pervasive use of the word bitch, complete with women calling each other the name. Bottom line it is as offensive as it ever was and suggests to me an increasing pervasiveness of misogyny in our culture.

    It is difficult to decide what is worse, words used with malice of forethought or taking a population’s feelings so much for granted that the words can be used without any thought at all.

  • 59. El Tigre  |  October 14, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    R, everything you’ve just said is besides the point. The point was whether the term as used on the rock suggested something about Perry.

    Indian is offensive to some native Americans. Did you ever use the term yourself?

    I don’t think you know what the term “racism” means.

    I frankly do’;t think you are capable of engaging in a discussion of race without succumbing to the need to be offended somehow. I believe it is reflex for you in particular and lefties in general to control the dialogue of their counterparts.

    p.s. it’s malice aforethought

  • 60. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Tigre, nice catch on malice aforethought. Not sure I knew it was a legal term until I double checked your correction.

    Gotta be careful when talking to a laaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwya.

    By the way my sensitivities are not exclusively racial. I cringe every time I hear The Band sing “Up on Cripple Creek.”

  • 61. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    Found this on another blog in reference to a discussion from the last thread. Thought this was pretty good, and flies once again in the face of prog lying:

    …More of the same false narrative about the causes of the financial crisis that exculpated the government and brought us the Dodd-Frank Act. According to Timmy G, the financial crisis and ensuing deep recession was caused by a reckless private sector driven by greed and insufficiently regulated. It is no wonder that people who hear this tale repeated endlessly in the media turn on Wall Street to express their frustration with the current conditions in the economy. Their anger should be directed at those who developed and supported the federal government’s housing policies that were responsible for the financial crisis.

    A little history lesson for you clueless liberal moonbats: Beginning in 1992, the government required Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to direct a substantial portion of their mortgage financing to borrowers who were at or below the median income in their communities. The original legislative quota was 30%. But the Department of Housing and Urban Development was given authority to adjust it, and through the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations HUD raised the quota to 50% by 2000 and 55% by 2007. It is certainly possible to find prime borrowers among people with incomes below the median. But when more than half of the mortgages Fannie and Freddie were required to buy were required to have that characteristic, these two government-sponsored enterprises had to significantly reduce their underwriting standards. Fannie and Freddie were not the only government-backed or government-controlled organizations that were enlisted in this process. The Federal Housing Administration was competing with Fannie and Freddie for the same mortgages. And thanks to rules adopted in 1995 under the Community Reinvestment Act, regulated banks as well as savings and loan associations had to make a certain number of loans to borrowers who were at or below 80% of the median income in the areas they served. Research by Edward Pinto, a former chief credit officer of Fannie Mae has shown that 27 million loans—half of all mortgages in the U.S.—were subprime or otherwise weak by 2008. That is, the loans were made to borrowers with blemished credit, or were loans with no or low down payments, no documentation, or required only interest payments. Of these, over 70% were held or guaranteed by Fannie and Freddie or some other government agency or government-regulated institution. Thus it is clear where the demand for these deficient mortgages came from. The huge government investment in subprime mortgages achieved its purpose. Home ownership in the U.S. increased to 69% from 65% (where it had been for 30 years). But it also led to the biggest housing bubble in American history. This bubble, which lasted from 1997 to 2007, also created a huge private market for mortgage-backed securities based on pools of subprime loans.

    As housing bubbles grow, rising prices suppress delinquencies and defaults. People who could not meet their mortgage obligations could refinance or sell, because their houses were now worth more.
    Accordingly, by the mid-2000s, investors had begun to notice that securities based on subprime mortgages were producing the high yields, but not showing the large number of defaults, that are usually associated with subprime loans. This triggered strong investor demand for these securities, causing the growth of the first significant private market for MBS based on subprime and other risky mortgages. By 2008 this market consisted of about 7.8 million subprime loans, somewhat less than one-third of the 27 million that were then outstanding.

    The private financial sector must certainly share some blame for the financial crisis, but it cannot fairly be accused of causing that crisis when only a small minority of subprime and other risky mortgages outstanding in 2008 were the result of that private activity.

    When the bubble deflated in 2007, an unprecedented number of weak mortgages went into default, driving down housing prices throughout the U.S. and throwing Fannie and Freddie into insolvency. Seeing these sudden losses, investors fled from the market for privately issued MBS, and mark-to-market accounting required banks and others to write down the value of their mortgage-backed assets to the distress levels in a market that now had few buyers. This raised questions about the solvency and liquidity of the largest financial institutions and began a period of great investor anxiety.

    The government’s rescue of Bear Stearns in March 2008 temporarily calmed the market. But it created significant moral hazard: Market participants were led to believe that the government would rescue all large financial institutions. When Lehman Brothers was allowed to fail in September, investors panicked. They withdrew their funds from the institutions that held large amounts of privately issued MBS, causing banks and others—such as investment banks, finance companies and insurers—to hoard cash against the risk of further withdrawals. Their refusal to lend to one another in these conditions froze credit markets, bringing on what we now call the financial crisis.

    The narrative that came out of these events—largely propagated by government officials and accepted by a credulous liberal media—was that the private sector’s greed and risk-taking caused the financial crisis and the government’s policies were not responsible. This narrative stimulated the punitive Dodd-Frank Act—fittingly named after Congress’s two key supporters of the government’s destructive housing policies. It also gave us the occupiers of Wall Street.

    Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

  • 63. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 4:15 pm

  • 64. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    The Lord’s Resistance Army? Must be incredibly relevant. I’ve never even heard of them.

    But Huck. In this predominately Christian country called the USA, including Obama (cough cough), we have proscribed the LRA (whoever they are) as a terrorist organization. I haven’t seen any of the Christians on this board shed tears for the LRA (whoever they are). Anybody here calling themselves Christian wallowing about this?

    http://patdollard.com/2011/10/obama-sending-soldiers-to-uganda-to-remove-lra/

    Say unlike with respect to you and Poolman believing Al Qaida and Hezbollah are simply misunderstood, as you cry over videos of slopeydopes having a car swarm after one achieves human combustion at the end of a hellfire missile.

  • 65. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Thought this was pretty good, and flies once again in the face of prog lying:

    Tex, maybe I read too fast. Where in that “accurate” history was any mention of credit default swaps and creative derivatives?

  • 66. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Well Huck I guess the Lord’s Resistance Army can join in line with Mormons and Catholics. According to Perry’s religious endorser, Mormons and Catholics aren’t real Christians either. ;-)

  • 67. dead rabbit  |  October 14, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    Tex, I agree with every word by that blogger about the crisis. Every word.

    “Seeing these sudden losses, investors fled from the market for privately issued MBS, and mark-to-market accounting required banks and others to write down the value of their mortgage-backed assets to the distress levels in a market that now had few buyers.”

    What I will never understand, and what I have been yapping about incessantly, was the high value of those mortgage-backed assets in the first place.

    Nobody was strong armed into making those bets. Yet, the supposedly smartest of smart money was betting the house (literally…in more ways then one) that those Fanny loans et al were bundled in rock solid bonds.

    For some time, the problem was finding people to be on the short side! There wasn’t enough people who would make that bet!

    Was it all a secret? A Poolman like conspiracy? The smartest, most sophisticated money guys in the world did not realize what you did every time you passed those 20 somethings in their 2,000 square foot house?

    Who the hell would bet on the Lakers if Barney Frank forced Rutherford to be the point guard?

    Yet, in this case, Las Vegas picked the Lakers to win the championship, led by Rutherford!

    Rutherford, jukes….spins….to the hole……AND ONE!!!!!!! Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! Crowd goes nuts! Lakers win!

  • 68. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    According to Perry’s religious endorser, Mormons and Catholics aren’t real Christians either.

    I don’t recall a word about Catholics. Can you send me to the site or video where the preacher said Catholics aren’t Christian Rutherford? Because I think you pulled that out of your small ass. :wink:

    Though I love the way most Mormons carry themselves and even consider a few friends, you have any real idea what Mormons believe Rutherford? Pretty strange stuff….and completely unbiblical. Cult in the theological sense is not analogous to a cult of cultural sense.

    Of course, you forgot to add that Jeffres said between Romney and President Obama, a “Christian”, he would choose Romney because Romney’s values are closer to his own. And he added that Romney or Huntsman’s religion should not, in and of itself, preclude a Christian from voting for them.

    So what does that say about your so called push for a Christian theocracy, being Obama calls himself Christian Rutherford? Huck?

    You can try and create a divide, but not going to work this time. We all are united in giving the Obamanation the boot.

  • 69. dead rabbit  |  October 14, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    I’ve been so busy of late, I’m behind on the comments to the point of not being able to catch up.

    Can someone explain to me what you guys are arguing about when it comes to Niger Rock?

    It was covered up, correct? And, Cain, a black guy, mentioned that the name was insensitive.

    We have tons of Niger Rocks in my parts. 5 bucks a hit. Gets you fucked up!!!! Heyyyyyyyoooooooooo!

    Who said that?

    I heard a clap.

    Ok. Not funny. And totally racist. Probably not even original.

    Anyways, I’m not trying to be snarky here, but I don’t get what Perry and Cain did wrong. And what are you guys mad at Rutherford for. Or, vice versa.

    Again, i haven’t read everything and don’t have time to catch up.

  • 70. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Rabbit, to perhaps answer your question, is this is only an educated guess of years of observation.

    These “smart” money managers – the smartest of the smart money? I think their reputation is mostly unearned – in fact, I think about 80% suck Donkey Kong. You could throw darts and do as well as they do. I think this “smart money” runs on inside info, greed, followed by irrational risk aversion. I think they operate on the same precepts as Joe the investor – herd mentality. I’m not even sure they know instinct.

    Tell you something. More often than not, my biggest gains have come not from being “smart”, but being contrary to the smart money, or from capitalizing on irrational exuberance and irrational fear. Example…

    This “smart investor” of mine (a friend), credentialed to the hilt, panicked three weeks ago after he had lost me about $10,000 in Occidental Petroleum when I didn’t sell like I told him he should. Then at the very bottom he calls me in a huff, almost breathless, and says, “Get out!” It was sitting at $69 bucks a share.

    I told him, “Why didn’t you sell at $110 like I told you I thought we should have? I could have bagged about eight grand in a manner of year.

    “Because oil is going down man! We got to get out!”

    “Screw that. I’m not selling now. He hung up pissed and hasn’t talked to me since.”

    Occidental closed at $85.42 today.

  • 71. dead rabbit  |  October 14, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    lol. The Lord’s Reisistence Army of Uganda?

    A strange savage mix of animism, Christianity and cult leader worship.

    I’ve actually read about them before.

    Since the desperate professor didn’t read his own Wiki article on them…I posted my favorite parts.

    In 1988, Alice Lakwena established the Holy Spirit Movement, a resistance movement claimed to be inspired by the Holy Spirit of God. She portrayed herself as a prophet who received messages from the Holy Spirit of God. She believed that the Acholi could defeat the government run by Museveni by casting off witchcraft and spiritualism embedded in their culture. According to her messages from God, her followers should cover their bodies with shea nut oil as protection from bullets, never take cover or retreat in battle, and never kill snakes or bees.

    The LRA’s ideology is disputed amongst academics.[26][27] While most academics and media outlets regard LRA as primarily a Christian militia,[9][10][11][12][13][14][15] the LRA reportedly evokes Acholi nationalism on occasion,[28] but the sincerity of this behavior is considered dubious by some observers.[29][30] During its brief alliance with the Muslim country of Sudan it also claimed to be Islamic as well, an apparent contradiction.[31]

  • 72. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Rabbit, Rick Perry and his father leased land from a ranch in Central Texas where some inbred had spray painted “Niggerhead” on a rock. I doubt that is even the name of the ranch – just some idiot’s idea of cutesy.

    Later, I guess Rick Perry bought the place and spray painted over it. But some hack from the Washington Post accused Rick Perry of racism, and then Herman Cain called it “insensitive.” That was 1983. But because Perry had hunted there, he was a RACIST!

  • 73. dead rabbit  |  October 14, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    Did Cain call the rock or Perry insensitive?

  • 74. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    He scolded Perry, I guess. Herman was a little vague when questioned, but he thought the word “insensitive.” If he made suggestion as to what Perry was supposed to do, I didn’t hear it.

    Herman acted “stupidly.”

  • 75. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    Hey Thor Thor,

    I’m sure you’re a big backer of “Obamacare” as are most insipid teabaggees. Ahhhh, just dipped you again.

    Want to tell me about The Witch Doctor’s greatness again?

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_LONG_TERM_CARE_PROGRAM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-10-14-15-24-47

  • 76. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Tex this came out of my small ass so easily and I didn’t even take a laxative.

    Here’s more.

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/catholic-leader-calls-on-perry-to-denounce-jeffress-over-anti-catholic-mormon-comments-58076/

  • 77. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    BTW Tex, since I knew you’d reject the video as coming from a lib site, I deliberately added the Christian site as backup. :-)

  • 78. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 14, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    I’m going to break my word because of this:

    By the way my sensitivities are not exclusively racial. I cringe every time I hear The Band sing “Up on Cripple Creek.”

    Seriously? Hating on The Band? What the Hell is wrong with you, R? I mean, it isn’t like that’s my Favorite song of theirs, but I figured if you would have an issue with one of their songs, it would be “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down”.

    Now, a palate cleanser:

    Levon Helm was truly one of the last musical badasses.

  • 79. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Rabbit, Tex’s claim that the rock was spray painted graffiti like by some punk is something he pulled right out of his small ass.

    No one in Perry’s camp has denied that the ranch was called N****rhead.

    It is true that Perry did not name it that, nor as far as I know did his father. Perry at some time in the 80′s or 90′s or 00′s depending on whom you believe had the slur removed from the rock.

    As I say in this article (which no one has read but everyone wants to opine on) ABC’s Amanpour figured any “black question” was cool to ask Herman so she asked him about “the rock”. He said the name was insensitive to black people. Did he do it to score points against Perry? Maybe, maybe not. I may be wrong but I don’t think Perry explicitly denounced the name prior to Cain calling it insensitive.

    Next thing you know Cain is “playing the race card”. Puhleeeeze.

    You know what I wish old Herman had said to all the conservative pundits?

    Why don’t y’all just order a Godfather’s pizza and shut the f*ck up?

  • 80. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    In fact, since I tend to like the underdog, and as this post documents, Cain is getting it from conservatives and liberals alike, I may very well join his campaign!!!!

    9 9 9!!! A great tax policy that shifts the tax burden from the rich to the poor. That’s the way (uh huh uh huh) I like it!!! (uh huh uh huh).

  • 81. Rutherford  |  October 14, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    BiW, my personal favorite is The Weight

    Joan Baez’ version of the Night They Drove Old Dixie Down is also one of my favorites.

  • 82. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    Rabbit, research it yourself. Perry had nothing to do with the rock called “NIGGERHEAD”, other than hunting on the land – certainly not as Rutherford is trying to lead you to believe. If Perry is a racist for that, then Rutherford is pinky hating racist. Rutherford’s insinuation is dishonest as hell.

    By the way Rutherford. I noticed you pulled a 2:20 “segment” of a sermon. Do you want to bet right now that Robert Jeffres believes all of Catholicism in and of itself is a cult? What do you want to bet I can prove you absolutely wrong?

    Tell you what. Since you’re a coward when it comes to monetary funds, all you have to bet is your reputation. And if you are wrong, you have to create a post explaining in detail as much, calling yourself in bold letters a liar.

    I’ll let you decide my “punishment” if you’re man enough.

    How about it pagan? :wink:

  • 83. dead rabbit  |  October 14, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    At first I agreed with Hucking. The Iranian assassination plot seemed a little amateur hour to me. It seemed like it could have been rogue elements.

    My take has changed.

    This is first class instability coming out of Wikileaks.

    Perhaps some of this dirty laundry is making states act in more desperate ways to enact revenge on public humiliation.

    Got to love Poolman. He recites Iranian press releases word for word.

    Poolman, since Iran and you agree on so much, what is your take on Iran?

  • 84. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    I just wish Poolman would pull up stakes and move to Iran, where he’s a much better fit – in everything. Jew hating, American hating, Islam loving, conspiracy, holocaust denial, 12th Imam. There, Poolman could experience real tolerance, free speech, and exceptional latitude – bet they would even equip him as spokesman.

    Everyone would be happier for it. :smile:

  • 85. dead rabbit  |  October 14, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Will someone please remind Timmy he doesn’t control the purse?

    “US to Play ‘Very Major Role’ In Helping Europe: Geithner”.

    TARP for Europe?

  • 86. dead rabbit  |  October 14, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    If Rutherford had balls, he’d blog about Eric Holder’s lies instead of Niggerhead.

  • 87. dead rabbit  |  October 14, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    So Obama’s blackberry is off limits when it comes to the Freedom of Info Act….. I wonder if the FBI could get at it.

  • 88. Alfie  |  October 14, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    Why don’t y’all just order a Godfather’s pizza and shut the f*ck up?

    Because it sucks?!

  • 89. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    I’m still waiting for Rutherford to take my bet Rabbit. I want to see in big, bold headlines:

    I, RUTHERFORD LAWSON, AM A RANK HYPOCRITE, IRRELIGIOUS PROPAGANDIST, AND LIAR. FURTHERMORE, TEX TAYLOR ON 10/14/2011 BUSTED ME PERTAINING TO MY CLAIMS OF DR. ROBERT JEFFRES, ON MY OWN BLOG WITH LIES FROM MY OWN LITTLE HANDS. :twisted:

    Come “R” – I’m waiting with bated breath, you little scoundrel. All you got to do is place your bet and it won’t cost you a cent.

  • 90. dead rabbit  |  October 14, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    I was going to take my son to his first game (play off game no less) and got the red light from the allergist.

    He is extremely allergic to peanuts.

    This sucks. And I’m not sure I’m buying the whole thing, to be honest.

    One of the doctor’s sticking points was he’s not going to remember it.

    What he doesn’t understand about baseball fans is a “I was there” badge of honor means something, even if you don’t remember it. This is play off baseball.

    What am I supposed to do, never take him to a game?

    I dropped him off at the in-laws. He knew I was off to do something cool and he sensed I wanted to him to come. Grandma had to deal with shrieking DaDa! as I left.

    Why in the fuck are so many people allergic to peanuts, all of sudden?

  • 91. dead rabbit  |  October 14, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    lol…..Tex……I’ve lost at 3 Card Monte and have learned my lesson……

    But, I got to be honest, that guy sure seemed to not like the Catholic Church, to say the least.

    Come on R, take the bet!

  • 92. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    It’s not the Catholic Church Rabbit – I knew better when I saw the church that Jeffres was from – in fact, Jeffres has a close relationship with Evangelical Catholics. That’s why I knew Rutherford couldn’t be right. So I listened to Rutherford’s take – and it sounded bad, I admit.

    And then I found the entire sermon. But more than that, I found Alan “Skeletor” Holmes 12 minute interview with the man. And that is what I am going to bust my old pal Rutherford with – because it’s a Prog source. :lol:

    Jeffres argument is an age old argument of Martin Luther (the real one). Even John Paul admitted as much several years back about the historical relevance.

    That’s why it’s so fun to bust Rutherford’s balls. The little irreligious bastard is my irreligious bastard. Like my younger, pagan brother. I get to beat his worthless ass, but nobody else gets to but my closest “BLOG” friends. And certainly not the gawd awful Fat Grannies crowd. They need to be impaled.

  • 93. Alfie  |  October 14, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    I think the “bet” between R and Tex needs some clarification so as to be fair to both parties. Just saying..

  • 94. Alfie  |  October 14, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Don’t get to calling me a racist but….am I the only guy on the thread that knows what some folks call really big rocks? Further doesn’t it seem kind of logical that said rock was as much a landmark for the acreage as a name?

  • 95. Alfie  |  October 14, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    Not too much Pool-ness in this thread. Also seems the professor has bailed?

  • 96. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    Probably right Alfie – haven’t seen you much. Hope all is well.

    ————

    Robert Jeffres said that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was a cult. Most Christians would agree.

    Rutherford then intervened in his snarky way and added this:

    Well Huck I guess the Lord’s Resistance Army can join in line with Mormons and Catholics. According to Perry’s religious endorser, Mormons and Catholics aren’t real Christians either.

    He posted an audio of a portion of sermon, which indeed did make it sound like Jeffres said exactly that – that Catholicism was a theological cult. However, I’m pretty familiar with First Baptist Church, as it one of the most powerful and conservative in the entire Protestant sphere. And I thought, wait a minute! Evangelical Protestants and Evangelical Catholics are working hand-in-hand this very minute. How can that be? And I know Jeffres is no fool and sincere in his beliefs. So either he was the world’s worst liar and some kind of heretic – or, he was simply misquoted and taken out of context.

    So I went and listened to much of the entire sermon. That portion was a quote, not even the gist of the sermon. Then I went to listen to the entire Alan Colmes interview with Jeffres, and Jeffres says “of course Catholics are Christian and going to heaven” when asked by Colmes.

    So Rutherford has deliberately fudged once again to spin the news not print to fit.

  • 97. Tex Taylor  |  October 14, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Not too much Pool-ness in this thread.

    Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.

    Also seems the professor has bailed?

    I doubt it. I’m never that lucky. Probably shooting porn or meeting to discuss strategery with the Alaskan Freedom FROM religion blog overseers to combat Dominionists. :twisted:

  • 98. Alfie  |  October 14, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Well I hope I didn’t cause the bet to sour. After listening to the Colmes piece I just felt either party could make a good case unless there was a baseline.
    Perhaps Rutherford will chime in.
    As for Hucks comment re LRA. I was a little surprised by it. I think if folks wanted to look at christian based militancy etc one would use a better example. For me the LRA is the epitome of something NOT Christian.

  • 99. poolman  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:18 pm

  • 100. huckingfypocrites  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    “For me the LRA is the epitome of something NOT Christian.”

    You’re right. The 10 Commandments are the antithesis of Christianity. What was I thinking?….

  • 101. huckingfypocrites  |  October 14, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    You’re also missing the point, Alfie.

    In a recent thread I was asked where the evil Christian theocracies are as someone posited that the violent Christians societies were all in the Middle Ages. and how all they do in modern times is spread love and good times everywhere.

    People around here are more than willing to pass judgement on an entire group of people based on the actions of a few within it. They justify it with “who cares how many don’t, look at how many do” and “even if it is a small fraction, that is too many.” When I try to explain that a religion has been hijacked and that most of those people do not interpret things the same way, I get more of the above responses.

    So I wanted to throw their hypocrisy into their faces, while I watch them scramble to disassociate their religion from this group who prays to the same Christian god they do and holds the same document sacred as they do. To read essentially the same things I say about a different group, while I decide when to stop laughing and reply “Who gives a fuck? The fact is that good people are getting their asses kicked” like I have heard here time and time and time again.

  • 102. Tex Taylor  |  October 15, 2011 at 12:33 am

    Gawd Huck, you’re getting as bad as Poolman in your selective memory and relativism.

    People around here are more than willing to pass judgement on an entire group of people based on the actions of a few within it.

    Sixty countries, with millions of mad mullahs? And that is just Al Qaeda. Should we discuss the splinter groups? Should we discuss, Syria, Yemen, Arabia, Persia, Somalia, Indonesia, Chechnya, the Philippines, Egypt, Libya..etc. etc.. etc.. Should we discuss female mutilations, beheading, mass murder, Khobar Towers, 9/11, London, Spain, etc…etc.. etc… Don’t give me this moral equivalency bullshit.

    There is not a predominately Muslim country on earth where there is not rioting in the streets and daily butcherings. You go to deepest, darkest Africa and find some fringe group, most of us haven’t the slightest idea who or what they are, and you want to make some equivalent example? Is that a joke?

    Look pal and your irreligious bullshit. It’s not Christians that are the cause of the world’s ills. It’s Islam and its atheism – both of which you sympathize and defend. You think you’re above the fray Kim Jong?

    You phony bastard.

  • 103. Tex Taylor  |  October 15, 2011 at 12:39 am

    Alfie,

    Simple question.

    Catholics aren’t real Christians either.

    You haven’t even seen the video I’m going to supply to prove Rutherford is once again spinning with all his might – I don’t believe. Not a blurb – an interview. When Jeffres says many Catholics are going to heaven, how can he then be accused of claiming they aren’t Christian?

    I haven’t provided my proof. I’m waiting for Rutherford to agree to my bet. You might hold judgment until I present my argument.

  • 104. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 1:31 am

    Perry had nothing to do with the rock called “NIGGERHEAD”, other than hunting on the land – certainly not as Rutherford is trying to lead you to believe.

    You’re making an ass of yourself again Tex. I did not say Perry had anything to do with the naming of the ranch. Quote me genius.

    As for Jeffress … I proved you wrong not just with a video but with an article from a source you should approve. He doubled down tonight and appeared on your fav show Real Time with Bill Maher, and repeated his claim that although some of his best friends are Catholic (I kid you not, he actually said that) he still says Catholicism is a pagan religion and the proof of it is in the work of Martin Luther to reform it.

    Be a man Tex and eat the crow.

  • 105. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 1:35 am

    If Rutherford had balls, he’d blog about Eric Holder’s lies instead of Niggerhead.

    HOLY SH*T … can any of you motherf*ckers read English!!???? I didn’t blog about N-Head. I blogged about Herman Cain getting screwed from both ends of the political spectrum.

    And Rabbit your not being up on the story is no excuse to at least not get the gist of the damn post.

  • 106. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 1:37 am

    LOL Alfie I’ve never had Godfather pizza. Does it really suck? (Is it regional? I never even heard of it before the Cain campaign.)

  • 107. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 1:39 am

    Rabbit you lost me …. is he so sensitive to peanuts that he can’t even be near anyone eating them? I know the oils are not supposed to be ingested. I guess I don’t see why you can’t protect him from peanuts at a baseball game.

  • 108. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 1:44 am

    Come on R, take the bet!

    I love Tex too much to humiliate him on this one. This is a slam dunk. I saw the catholic spokesman (I think his name is Donahoe) on TV the other day complaining about Jeffress. The dude said what he said and Tex can try to spin it into some contextual bullsh*t all he wants.

    Personally I think Tex would have become physically ill watching this Jeffress guy on Bill Maher tonight. He and Bill (the king of Atheists) had quite a hoot over Mormons when they were finished talking about Catholics.

    I’m telling you, this guy is Perry’s Hagee. You see how damn fast McCain got away from that crackpot.

  • 109. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 1:47 am

    Also seems the professor has bailed?

    Yeah I’ve noticed Pfesser’s absence too. He may be spending more time at Fat Grannies or perhaps, like Huck just got busy with life for a bit.

  • 110. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 1:52 am

    of course Catholics are Christian and going to heaven

    Jeffress was playing with Colmes. Believe me. He told Maher tonight “of course, SOME Catholics are going to heaven”.

    Not sure why you want to defend this guy Tex. Reverend Wright had sh*t pulled out of bigger sermons too and you didn’t think that mattered. Jeffress said what he said. Catholics are influenced by Satan. And you wanna give him a pass cos he went wimpy on Alan Colmes’ show? LOL you don’t even believe any sh*t coming out Alan Colmes. That’s how desperate you are to win the point. :lol:

  • 111. thorsaurusthorsaurus  |  October 15, 2011 at 1:55 am

    “I am not in a snit. I started pointing out dems are the party of race. Thor at 42 proved my point” – ET

    You don’t get the irony that the first black man to even get a whiff of the republican nomination might lose out, not because he’s too black for the Birchers but because he’s too conservative for the cocktail party establishment types? Oh well, you didn’t prove your point anyway. I’m not a Dem. The ASSumer strikes again. :)

  • 112. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 2:00 am

    By the way, Penn of Penn and Teller (a well known atheist) posed an interesting question tonight on Bill Maher. I’ll pose it to Tex.

    If while you were in deep prayer, God told you to kill one of your children, would you do it?

  • 113. thorsaurusthorsaurus  |  October 15, 2011 at 2:00 am

    especially when it comes out of ThorThor’s checkbook. – Tex

    Checkbook? Really? How f*cking old are you? :)

  • 114. thorsaurus  |  October 15, 2011 at 2:02 am

    Trying to fix the double down.

  • 115. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 2:05 am

    Looks like you fixed it. Tex can’t call you ThorThor anymore. :-)

  • 116. thorsaurus  |  October 15, 2011 at 2:21 am

    Republican Party circulated what some are calling hate e-mail to an unknown number of her fellow conservatives.

    Written under the words, “Now you know why — No birth certificate!”, is an Obama family portrait depicting his parents as chimpanzees.

    When asked if she thought the email was appropriate, Davenport is quoted as saying, “Oh, come on! Everybody who knows me knows that I am not a racist. It was a joke. I have friends who are black. Besides, I only sent it to a few people–mostly people I didn’t think would be upset by it.”

    Yeah, race is just a Dem thing.

  • 117. thorsaurus  |  October 15, 2011 at 2:37 am

    Bennett, who held prominent posts in the administrations of former presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, told a caller to his syndicated radio talk show Wednesday: “If you wanted to reduce crime, you could — if that were your sole purpose — you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down. -CNN

    Compassionate conservatism.

  • 118. thorsaurus  |  October 15, 2011 at 2:39 am

    I’m sure he’s calling me something else after those last two posts. :)

  • 119. thorsaurus  |  October 15, 2011 at 3:06 am

    “This fellow here, over here with the yellow shirt, macaca, or whatever his name is. He’s with my opponent. He’s following us around everywhere. And it’s just great,” Allen said, as his supporters began to laugh. After saying that Webb was raising money in California with a “bunch of Hollywood movie moguls,” Allen said, “Let’s give a welcome to macaca, here. Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia.” Allen then began talking about the “war on terror.”

    Apparently this Republican thinks skin color has something to do with being an American.

  • 120. thorsaurus  |  October 15, 2011 at 3:25 am

    “Recent economic data reinforces our belief that the U.S. economy is not in a recession,” said Joseph Tanious, market strategist at JPMorgan Chase Asset Management. “The consumer is in fact coming back and starting to spend.” Market Report 10/14

    The Dow closed at 11,644.49 today, back into positive territory for the year. It was it’s best week since before the Tea Party downgrade.

  • 121. dead rabbit  |  October 15, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Dude, I can’t tell if you are being serious or not.

    I’ve never seen some swing trade the Dow to support a president.

    The dow has a good week and its proof that the President is awesome.

    How ironic that we will see batons smashing your own political brothers and sisters this next week.

    The Dow was directly tagged to macro news coming out of Europe. And that news was all about bail outs.

    Since you are unaware of the little blurb safely released after friday’s close, you may be in for quite the treat this week.

  • 122. dead rabbit  |  October 15, 2011 at 8:35 am

    R,

    He’s registers off the chart. There is peanut dust all over the most of the chairs.

    If breathes it, touches it, eats it there can be trouble.

  • 123. thorsaurus  |  October 15, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Dude, I can’t tell if you are being serious or not.

    I’ve never seen some swing trade the Dow to support a president. -DR

    Just ribbing Tex whenever I can. :) The peanut thing sucks. I’m sorry.

  • 124. MuffyMcD  |  October 15, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    I just opened my quarterly report for my 401k. Down 17%.

    Let the good times roll.

    Rabbit, I can’t attest to the authenticity of this but a friend of mine says he can’t even be in the same room as peanut butter.

    ~~~

    Republicans don’t hate the black candidate for their party’s nomination. Awww, deal with it Crissy. Wait until Mitt or someone else wins the nomination – you can peddle a fresh cart full of “Republicans hate the black man” then.

    Why Amanpour asked Cain about the rock is a mystery to me, but I tend to think that in asking Cain about it Amanpour was guilty of being a little insensitive herself.

    In the end, being misunderstood or treated rudely is not the end of the world. Herman doesn’t seem to trip too hard on stupid Liberals OR stupid Conservatives.

    ~~~

    “People around here are more than willing to pass judgment on an entire group of people based on the actions of a few within it. –Huck

    The arguments (on a variety of topics regarding a wide range of groups) are starting to really pile up on this particular dead end. Once this happens there’s nowhere to go.

  • 125. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    I just found out this morning that the photo of the dude defecating on an American flag was taken in 2007. This is one of the photos that BiW hangs his hat on in opposition to OWS.

    Hey BiW, who is the useful idiot now?

  • 126. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    Rabbit, my wife just commented to me that when we were kids maybe 1 in a thousand kids had a peanut allergy. We never heard this stuff. Now it seems EVERY class has at least one peanut intolerant kid. What gives?

    If I were a betting man I’d say it’s the way peanuts are harvested and/or processed. Maybe it’s pestcides? I don’t know but something is funky.

    Well there’s always baseball on TV :-(

  • 127. El Tigre  |  October 15, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Thor, I am talking about the party and its agenda, Numbnut.

    Muffy, Amanpour was trying to create conflict. From what I can tell, the reaction was because Cain appeared to fall for it. What does our resident MSNBC water boy see? A conservative attack on Cain “because” of his race, rather than the success of a most putrid and deliberate race baiting from the left. I find it infuriating and love that Cain in most instances will call it out. Even though the inevitable result will always be that a black conservative is some variation of an Uncle Tom by the left, the self-proclaimed racially sensitive libs find nothing wrong with it — the most blatant demonstration of racism itself. It does make me mad.

  • 128. El Tigre  |  October 15, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Stated differently, one can most certainly be racist for calling another racist (contrary to what R believes).

  • 129. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    A conservative attack on Cain “because” of his race, rather than the success of a most putrid and deliberate race baiting from the left.

    Again I have no idea what article you read Tigre. I’m beginning to think you’re delusional. Liberal whites are as capable of playing the race card as anyone else. So it had nothing to do with Cain’s race. It is a documented FACT that he was accused of playing the race card by his fellow conservatives (and Tex), and that is what I wrote about.

    Muffy, do me the favor of reading what I wrote and not what Tigre dreamed up in his head.

  • 130. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    The only instance in which calling someone a racist makes one a racist is if the accusation is based solely on the race of the accused with nothing else to back it up.

  • 131. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 15, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    I just found out this morning that the photo of the dude defecating on an American flag was taken in 2007. This is one of the photos that BiW hangs his hat on in opposition to OWS.

    Assuming you’re correct, same union or “organized community”, different rally.

  • 132. dead rabbit  |  October 15, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    R, while I think BiC has been throwing some wild punches of late, the worst being the out of control right hook that applauded the “come back” of the big banks…..I want you to be honest.

    Who do you really think OWS are? Unless you are an anarchist or a communist, do you really want to associate yourself with them?

    A common excuse I’m hearing from liberals is that they don’t really care that the OWS protest is nihilistic and completely Utopian. They sympathize with the raw anger. And that’s enough for them.

    What a dangerous line of thought! I don’t think you need a history lesson as to why.

    Do people have a right to be pissed off at the banks? Yes.

    However, a necessary requirement to be pissed off is a deep respect for free market Capitalism. If not, its nothing more then an argument among thieves.

    That is what separates me from OWS (hell, I’m starting to think my respect of Capitalism is separating me from a few conservative posters here, as well).

    And trust me, brother, the gulf is infinite.

    I don’t blame the OWS mob for not having a full understanding of the melt down. It is a tough nut to crack. Yet, this doesn’t give OWS a licence to lunacy either.

    I admit, attaching a normal partisan bumper sticker to the melt down doesn’t work.

    Big Banks were complicit and ultimately rewarded for doing great harm to my friends and family by a government intoxicated with its own Keynesian puppetry and deficit spending.

    Some say pick and chose my battles.

    Well, I have.

    Rush Limbaugh and BiC are full of shit on this one. Bailed out company execs should have not gotten bonus money.

    A terrible precedent has been set. It will happen again. Just wait until we bail out Europe.

    This crap is making a mockery of the greatest system possible and giving ammo to loons like OWS

    BiC waxes on about the slippery slope of declaring bonuses null and void. After the biggest perversion of Capitalism since Lenin got off that train, BiC draws a line in the sand over massive bonuses going to biggest business failures in the history of the world.

    Morgan Housel is spot on:

    “The Treasury can flip a company’s capital structure on its head, ring-fence guarantee any asset it wants, and give a blank check to whomever it deems fit. But holding back bonuses at a company it owns 80% of? Whoa … way out of its pay grade.”

    You see how that works, R.? That’s how a motherfucker occupies Wallstreet. Tea Party style!

    No more bail outs. No more tyranny by the Treasury. No more harmful government intervention in the free market. Cut spending.
    Cut taxes to people can get hired.

    Rutherford, your running out of credibility. I beg of you to put the MSNBC pipe down and start rolling your own joints, man.

    OWS are utter fools and you know it. Join the Tea Party.

  • 133. dead rabbit  |  October 15, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Putting Cain on the spot over a fucking rock in rural Texas that was inscribed with the word Niggerhead, but covered up a quarter of a century ago, is total bull shit.

    Fucking with the black guy, because he’s black. Real cool.

    Its exactly why I hate the liberal MSM.

  • 134. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    On Cain, Rabbit I partly agree with you. Lawrence O’Donnell did Amanpour one better by lecturing Cain on responsible black behavior during the civil rights movement. Pretty disgusting.

    Even though my article’s title was partly tongue in cheek I really do feel for Cain. Both conservatives and liberals are demanding some sort of “appropriate” behavior regarding race and I truly believe he needs to tell all of them to f*ck off.

  • 135. dead rabbit  |  October 15, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    R, then why buy into the bull shit.

    its this kind of shit that makes people hate politics.

    Garbage. All o fit

  • 136. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Rabbit if there’s one reason why I will probably never make peace with the Tea Party it is that they waited for a liberal President before saying a word. George W Bush spent us into a hole and the so called Patriots did nothing until January 20 2009.

    This means they had a political movement, not a social movement, not an economic movement. That will always make them suspect in my book.

    OWS is ragtag and messy with a veritable potpourri of grievances. They’re ripe for exploitation by anyone from anarchists to communists. But they’ve identified a problem that BiW and his ilk will not acknowledge. There is a concentration of wealth in this country that signals that capitalism has been hijacked. With all that money at the top 1% goes power. So not only has capitalism been hijacked so has democracy.

    Notice this crowd ain’t waiting until January 20 2013 to bitch at Mitt Romney. As they say this isn’t about left and right. It’s about up and down. And not for nothing it’s catching fire globally.

  • 137. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Assuming you’re correct, same union or “organized community”, different rally.

    Weak defense counselor.

  • 138. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    This reflects BiW’s attitude. It is his defense. Sad.

    What we have at left is a protester having a “movement” on a burning United States flag while those around him cheer and laugh. This photo was made in Portland OR 4 years ago but given what we’ve seen from the “Occupy” protesters, this is not out of context and adds consistency to the liberal/socialist mindset.

    In other words any photo taken at any time in any place can be used to condemn people totally unassociated with the photo. If this is our standard of prosecution in the United States, we’ve already lost the war. Game over.

  • 139. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Another article written about the flag-sh*tting incident at the time it happened (2007). By the way, I COMPLETELY agree with the sentiment expressed therein:

    http://www.portlandtribune.com/opinion/story.php?story_id=117459283544877600

  • 140. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Bennett, who held prominent posts in the administrations of former presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, told a caller to his syndicated radio talk show …”If you wanted to reduce crime, you could — if that were your sole purpose — you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down.”

    This is what is so bizarre about PC speech in this country. Hank Williams Jr. makes a dumb comment about Obama being Hitler (like he’s the first to say it) and it is clear as day that all the lights are not on in Williams’ head yet he gets canned from his football theme song gig.

    Bennett says something far more odious (assuming the quote doesn’t look any better in the full context of the radio episode in question) and no one lifts a finger to penalize him or even criticize him. I find the Bennett quote far more offensive than Don Imus’s “nappy headed ho’s” for which he was suspended.

  • 141. gghodead rabbit  |  October 15, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Rutherford,

    Dude.

    Are you actually trying to pretend that there was no tipping point caused by TARP and Obama’s massive stimulus plan?

    And that these events didn’t happen at the tail end of Bush’s term or the start of Obama’s?

    A simple time line is all it takes to debunk this one.

    Years later and the TP is still making you look silly, man.

    Just come clean and admit you are on a team. A partisan bench warmer.

  • 142. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Correction to my prior comment: after some research I discovered that Bennett made these remarks back in 2005.

    The discussion revolved around the idea that if we didn’t have abortion all those extra people would have contributed to social security and put it in better financial position. Bennett felt that was way too simplistic an argument and countered with a finding in the book Freakonomics that crime rates have gone down since abortion was legalized. Bennett then made his remark about aborting black babies, adding that the idea was reprehensible but it would still reduce the crime rate.

    Media Matters slapped him.

  • 143. Rutherford  |  October 15, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Are you actually trying to pretend that there was no tipping point caused by TARP and Obama’s massive stimulus plan?

    TARP is Bush. And f*ck TARP. Things were going in the hole before that. I’m telling you, the “tipping point” for the Tea Party was a liberal administration moving in.

    P.S. Your comment went into moderation cos your name got botched somehow.

  • 144. Alfie  |  October 15, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Rutherford…was it the tipping point?
    I think for partisan reasons you discount that the TP,as well as any civil movement, had the need for time and causes to run a course. I mean really does anyone truly believe OWS is such a spontaneous action? I’m selling bridges to anybody that does.

  • 145. dead rabbit  |  October 15, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    You can’t be that stupid to not understand what a sea change the melt down was. It was an economic version of 9/11.

    Now, did the GOP lick their chops as the Tea Party became a force?

    Of course they did.

    Your identity and self worth is driven from party allegiance, so you, as a Dem, were bothered by this (hence the “throw everything but the kitchen sink” propaganda campaign).

    Fair enough.

    But it bugs me to no end when I see you lie to yourself.

    Get it through your head. The Tea Party was a grass roots movement. A bunch of people saw their wealth take a 50 percent slash, saw Wallstreet get a bail out and saw a President push through a stimulus not seen since FDR’s New Deal. All of this at a lightening pace. And they got pissed.

    You can’t be this dumb. So you must be fake.

    What a joke. You still can’t be comfortable in your own skin because of the Tea Party.

  • 146. Alfie  |  October 15, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    As for Bennett,I was going to explore that when thorasaur brought it up. I chose not to for a couple of reasons. With you entering the ring I have to say something.
    I think what people saw back in ’05 was something we saw before and we’ve been seeing in bunches since. The lack of intellectual honesty for the sake of society crushing PC gamesmanship.

  • 147. Alfie  |  October 15, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Super PACs suck! Just sayin’

  • 148. dead rabbit  |  October 15, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Alphie,

    I’ll buy the bridge. I think it for the most part is spontaneous.

    As far as I can tell, OWS was for the most part by Anonymous (the internet hacking group) and other online meeting groups for radical youth like 4 Chan.

    Unlike the Tea Party was for the right, I don’t think this movement is in anyway an advantage to the Democratic Party.

    It’s protest of the status quo on Obama’s watch and is putting the ugliest side of the far left in the lime light.

    The only thing that could come out of this is an abandonment of Obama by the young radicals that blew him during his campaign. Obama will desperately try to court them, but it won’t work.

  • 149. dead rabbit  |  October 15, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    No need to post individual pics for “proof” that these OSW guys are fringe radicals.

    They will either fade out or there will be violent conflict with cops. I predict the latter.

    And as soon as that happens, the debate over if OSW is the left’s version of the Tea Party will be over, as the Tea Party is by now legendary for being lawful, peaceful and clean during their protests. Even R can’t deny that.

    I suggest intellectual heavy weights like BiC gets back to doing what he does best, kicking ass and taking names with the Constitution as a six shooter. Quit being sensico.

  • 150. Alfie  |  October 15, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    I predicted a Tompkins Park kind of thing. I’m holding out hope that is how it goes as opposed to something far more violent.
    I was scanning various Euro press sources. Some of the talk about a “Tobin tax” and chatter about a one time flat tax on the ultra rich…wow. Fanning the flames.

  • 151. dead rabbit  |  October 15, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    Damn the Rangers are a good team. Aggressive as hell. Relentless.

    I hate them but have to respect them.

    Cruz is reptilian in nature. One the aliens from the mini-series V.

    Guy is killing me.

    I don’t know how they haven’t swept us.

  • 152. Alfie  |  October 15, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    I know you’re a ball and bat guy but for crying out loud you all have the Lions and Red Wings looking good. I imagine not the same?

  • 153. dead rabbit  |  October 15, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    Alfie, I love it all man.

    The Michigan loss already ripped my soul out earlier today. I hate all things Spartan more then the Yanks.

    Its been exhausting as there have been so many sporting events that local man code requires I watch.

    Its weird saying this, but there is a relief with baseball ending. The season saps so much focus and time. I’m free to live life not worrying about it for awhile.

  • 154. Rutherford  |  October 16, 2011 at 12:27 am

    I suggest intellectual heavy weights like BiC gets back to doing what he does best, kicking ass and taking names with the Constitution as a six shooter. Quit being sensico.

    Mmmmm can I get an amen!

    Rabbit I think you speak much truth tonight. I’m confused about the cops attitude toward the OWS crowd but then think about it … the original Tea Party crowd was retirees on scooters. What cop was gonna go cracking their heads? In fact one of the major differences between the Tea Party and OWS is the age demographic. By the time you’re in your mid 40′s if you still think it’s cool to camp out and not bathe, there is something really wrong with you.

    To some extent, if we’re gonna generalize, OWS is a youth movement. And I think Rabbit speaks some truth that some of this crowd are folks who drank the Obama koolaid and got food poisoning in the process and now they’re very pissed. Those who view this as pro-Obama are seeing what they want to see.

  • 155. Rutherford  |  October 16, 2011 at 12:43 am

    Alfie, as far as the grassroots nature of OWS, I truly believe I got some insight into that this morning. A dude named David Graeber whose latest book is “Debt, the First 5000 Years” was on MSNBC this morning. His book talks about some myths about debt, one of which is the whole barter system idea … it’s a myth. People even in ancient civilizations never really traded chickens for grain or some other commodity. There was always some notion of “money” and debt.

    But I digress … turns out this Graeber guy (who I discovered upon further research is an anarchist), connected with other folks who have protested elsewhere in the world on various topics and met with them in NYC. Not knowing what to do next, they decided to use a protest method that had been used before. Simply claiming a public place as their own (i.e. occupation).

    So I think it’s fair to say OWS got underway by “professional protesters” and if you think that disqualifies it as grassroots then so be it. I think when you take professional protesters and toss in Twitter and Facebook, you can indeed start a grassroots movement,

    Alfie, how would you define grassroots?

    I happen to believe a couple of years distant from my originally strong dislike of the TPM that they started grassroots but were co-opted in record time by Fox News and Dick Armey. I think in the years since, they’ve pushed back on that “sponsorship” and are now more of an independent voice. I don’t think their independence was evident in the rallies. I DO think it was evident in the town hall meetings when they confronted their congress critters.

  • 156. dead rabbit  |  October 16, 2011 at 12:55 am

    R, a lot of them hate “pigs” and long for the fighting.

    They are mixing it up with cops because they haven’t pulled proper permits.

    A lot of them are bad people.

    You will see.

  • 157. thorsaurus  |  October 16, 2011 at 1:35 am

    As for Bennett,I was going to explore that when thorasaur brought it up. I chose not to for a couple of reasons. With you entering the ring I have to say something. -A

    The only reason I posted that comment, and the macacah and chimp family photo thing was because at the beginning of this thread ET said that race only mattered to the Dems. I was trying to remind him and others that Republicans are just as concerned with race.

    “R, again, the democrats are the party of race.” – ET

  • 158. thorsaurus  |  October 16, 2011 at 1:59 am

    A House Republican apologized to President Obama for saying that being associated with Obama’s policies would be like “touching a tar baby.”

    Rep. Doug Lamborn, R-Colo., made the remark last week to a Denver radio show. Lamborn told KKTV on Monday night that the phrase, to some people, is a racial epithet. -USA Today

    I’m sure race never entered his thought process.

  • 159. El Tigre  |  October 16, 2011 at 2:36 am

    Muffy, please do read what Rutherford wrote and follow his links. Do follow up on his comments too. I have had enough of his bullshit.

  • 160. dead rabbit  |  October 16, 2011 at 3:45 am

    Tigre,

    Have you been keeping up on Europe?

    They are trying like crazy to save the CDS on Greek bonds, because the writers can’t pay their bets!

    Sound very familiar?

    They* might end up writing down 50 percent of Greek debt! In other words, redistribute wealth from hard working Germans to lazy Greeks and fuck head bankers.

    *could “they” end up being the American tax payer?

    I read a possible scenario in which the shorts could respond by selling the fuck out of European bonds because their hedge strategy (the short side of CDS on European bonds) would become worthless, thanks to government intervention. And the circle of doom would only continue as yield rockets north! Another write down?

    God only knows how exposed American banks are.

    How sad. The economy in limbo as the puppeteers pick who loses and who wins by way of fiat.

    High jack the world by making bets you can’t pay. Its fucking genius, man.

    They will do it for as long as we let them.

  • 162. dead rabbit  |  October 16, 2011 at 4:24 am

    Ok, I think I get it. They are trying to puppeteer a sweet spot in which bond holders of Greek debt take a loss but not so much that CDS payments are triggered.

    I know I’m the only one up right now studying credit default swaps of european sovereign debt, but I have a dumb question that I can’t figure out.

    When they say “write down” Greek debt, do they mean a partial default in which bond holders lose a certain percentage?

    Or do they mean a bail out, in which the governments/ECB print money and give it to greece so that bond holders don’t take a hair cut?

  • 163. Alfie  |  October 16, 2011 at 10:10 am

    @ R I chose the word “spontaneous” for a reason in my comment #144. It was a purposeful use of the word.Whether it is TP or OWS the concept of grassroots is irrelevant.

    @ Thor,I get why you did it but I also see you continue to be guilty of the crime that I didn’t want to get into previously.

    “Even if some people say, ‘Well the Republicans should have done this or they should have done that,’ they will hold the president responsible. Now, I don’t even want to have to be associated with him. It’s like touching a tar baby and you get it, you’re stuck, and you’re a part of the problem now and you can’t get away,” Lamborn said Friday on the Caplis and Silverman Show on 630 KHOW talk radio.
    “I don’t want that to happen to us, but if it does or not, he’ll still get, properly so, the blame because his policies for four years will have failed the American people,” he added.
    The phrase originally comes from the 19th-century Uncle Remus stories when the character Br’er Fox makes a “tar-baby,” a doll made of tar and turpentine, to entrap his nemesis Br’er Rabbit. The phrase came to stand for a “sticky situation” but later developed racial implications and is now often viewed as a slur towards African Americans.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/08/rep-lamborn-working-with-obama-is-like-touching-a-tar-baby/

    The comment has nothing to do with racism and insulting black babies.

  • 164. El Tigre  |  October 16, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Tar baby is a very common phrase among lawyers to refer to a client, issue or case you can’t get away from. You’re stuck to it. That’s the same for black lawyers. I had a judge use it last week. she is black. Not a slur ’round here.

  • 165. El Tigre  |  October 16, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Rabbit, I got no understanding of what’s going on in Europe. Somehow though I know it’ll fuck the US too.

  • 166. Alfie  |  October 16, 2011 at 11:10 am

    To be accurate though the term tar baby can indeed be and has been used as a slur towards blacks especially young kids,toddlers and younger.

  • 167. El Tigre  |  October 16, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Alfie, I jumped down before seeing your link.

    Thorazine, in you zeal to find racism from the right, you are doing exactly what I have accused the dems of.

  • 168. El Tigre  |  October 16, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Alfie the intent of the speaker R claims is irrelevant is kind of important.

  • 169. an800lbgorilla  |  October 16, 2011 at 1:15 pm

  • 170. an800lbgorilla  |  October 16, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    R, OWS just got another endorsement…

    http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Screen-shot-2011-10-15-at-2.57.20-PM.png

  • 172. huckingfypocrites  |  October 16, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    LOL. Using an Islamophobe site to point out anyone’s antisemitism is laughable at best.

  • 173. Alfie  |  October 16, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    @ # 171 I think that is a great example of some serious dumb-ass-ery.
    Not for nothing but Cain has been pretty stand up regards race and his identity. I love it that a leftard plays a race card so cheaply and falsely.
    That brings an interesting notion up imo. Its not THE race card there is a whole freakin deck and each card is used differently by different card holders.
    Thought?

  • 174. Alfie  |  October 16, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    I have to kinda agree w 172 0n the face of it;however, I have to say that the link from 170 doesn’t really give me any insight.
    I would offer up this question for anyone that shows up anytime soon.
    Between the TP and OWS which if raised to actual power would most resemble fascism? I’m voting OWS.

  • 175. Alfie  |  October 16, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    I doubt Europe is going to fall. Core Europeans and the right in some countries like England will have a good year. Politically there seems to be some chatter that the Socialists will take the drivers seat in France after the next election. That should prove interesting. Also in the shadows of the various debt issues and austerity measures Europe is still ramping up “infrastructure” investments via broadband expansion projects and rail improvements.
    The fix is in folks. Feel free to invest in GB,Germany and perhaps Scandinavia. Hold on Poland and the Baltics. Run as fast as you can from each and every nation that touches the Med.
    A little investment advice from your Uncle Alfie. Can’t let the Rabbit be the only one.

  • 176. Alfie  |  October 16, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    Hey folks other than BHO who is the most likely candidate to cozy up w/ OWS?
    I say Ron Paul.

  • 177. Alfie  |  October 16, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    So there it is Rutherford some comment count live from the east coast.Its 9:20 EST I’ll lurk for about an hour.Cheers

  • 178. poolman  |  October 16, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Well, mrs poolman had other plans for me, so I didn’t get to attend the occupy demonstration yesterday. There was little on the local news but there are plenty of videos posted on you tube and facebook. It looked like a decent showing around two thousand without too much stoopid. Here’s a local video:

  • 179. thorsaurus  |  October 16, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    “@ Thor,I get why you did it but I also see you continue to be guilty of the crime that I didn’t want to get into previously.” – A

    I didn’t realize pointing out the truth is a crime.

    “To be accurate though the term tar baby can indeed be and has been used as a slur towards blacks especially young kids,toddlers and younger.” – A

    No shit. I guess that wasn’t EXACTLY the point I was making.

  • 180. thorsaurus  |  October 16, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    “The comment has nothing to do with racism and insulting black babies.” – A

    Then why did he apologize?

  • 181. thorsaurus  |  October 17, 2011 at 12:04 am

    “Thorazine, in you zeal to find racism from the right, you are doing exactly what I have accused the dems of.” – ET

    The only zeal I have is to not let you guys have selective memory about the stupid things representatives of your party like to say. So let’s hear the justification for the chimp pictures and “macaca” being welcomed to America.

  • 182. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 12:40 am

    Huck bravo on the WeaselZippers comment. Gorilla better be careful or he’s gonna start to resemble Elric. :shock:

    Alfie … fully agree about 171. The woman is a fool. Look I’ve said before that I have trouble comprehending black conservatives BUT with the country so screwed right now, I’m beginning to become more tolerant. Who the hell has the right to tell Herman Cain what he should or should not believe based on the color of his skin? Liberals with their so-called sense of justice sicken me when they box blacks into some preconceived thought pattern. While I find Alan Keyes a lunatic not worth my time, I find Cain a refreshing sort of conservative. He’s unflappable, not particularly offensive, and he’s acting on his life lessons. I also think he’s grossly wrong for the office. 9-9-9 will hurt the middle class and the poor and Herman admits he has no opinions on specific foreign policy matters. But I do love watching the man in action.

    I also share Huck’s concern about Cain’s Islamophobia.

  • 183. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 12:45 am

    Regarding “tar baby”, reminding us that it comes from Uncle Remus and that in context it is not a reference to black-anything is slightly undercut by the controversy surrounding Uncle Remus itself. From what I’ve read, the stories written by a white man in thick stereotypical black dialect can either be viewed as offensive/politically incorrect or valuable folklore originating from slave story tellers. I’m not familiar with the body of work and I only heard “tar baby” for the first time within the past five or so years. I don’t get worked up over it, but I sure would not use it under any circumstances.

  • 184. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 12:49 am

    Its not THE race card there is a whole freakin deck and each card is used differently by different card holders.

    Alfie I didn’t address that specific comment by you … and yes AMEN.

    One of the reasons I’m enjoying watching Cain in this race, and part of what really sparked my writing this piece, is that everyone has their idea of how a black man is supposed to behave and how white folks are supposed to react. It is not at all simple. It is complex and I truly feel it is not easy to navigate these waters. Cain will encounter bigots of two types. The folks who don’t like black people and the folks who only like black people who conform to some preconceived notion.

  • 185. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 12:55 am

    Hey folks other than BHO who is the most likely candidate to cozy up w/ OWS?

    Obama can cozy up to OWS just so much before the hypocrisy needle goes off the meter. As someone said this morning on one of the Sunday talkers, Obama’s sympathy with the movement is illustrated by his appointment of Tim Geithner. In other words, Obama has hardly rejected Wall Street. The OWS crowd has no great love for him and I suspect vice versa,

    The answer depends on how you define “cozy”. Romney has already made sympathetic comments about them. So I would say Romney in addition to Paul. Remember … Romney is the shape-shifter. He can find a way to cozy up to anyone. ;-)

  • 186. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 1:00 am

    Thor that is the shame of being a loyal GOPher. I can count on one hand (being generous) the number of times the conservatives on this blog have condemned the bad behavior of their fellow conservatives. Either the behavior is justified (as in the case of Wilson yelling “you lie”) or the behavior is outright denied (as in black congressmen getting spat on during the Tea Party protests).

    Either it was ok, or it didn’t happen. :-(

  • 187. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 1:03 am

    Sorry I left out a third option:

    Either it was ok
    or it didn’t happen
    or Dem’s did it first so it’s payback time

  • 188. an800lbgorilla  |  October 17, 2011 at 5:20 am

  • 189. an800lbgorilla  |  October 17, 2011 at 5:20 am

  • 190. an800lbgorilla  |  October 17, 2011 at 5:22 am

  • 191. an800lbgorilla  |  October 17, 2011 at 5:39 am

    Huck bravo on the WeaselZippers comment. Gorilla better be careful or he’s gonna start to resemble Elric.” – R

    I didn’t realize you were both that mentally shallow. Great example of attacking the messenger but ignoring the message. By the by, if I could have gone to the primary source link for it, I would have, but Zip in his wisdom refused to provide the link to the story.

    It doesn’t bother you that neo-Nazi’s are supporting the messaging coming out of the movement? Really, that should be the best bell-weather there is: who supports the movement. Here is what they said in full:

    Many racialists are unsure about, and even against, these Occupy Wall Street protests all around the country. It has been pointed out to me that many protesters are non-white and/or “communists.” Well my answer to that is: “WHO CARES?!” They are against the same evil, corrupted, degenerate capitalist elitists that WE are against! Instead of screaming, “6 million more!” The pro-white movementites should be JOINING this Occupy movement and supporting it!

    Seriously people, just WHO is our enemy? The unemployed left-wing 25-year-old holding up a sign, OR the judeo-capitalist banksters who swindled the American taxpayers out of A TRILLION dollars in the “bailout” scam AND continue to oppress the White Working Class?!? Even Adolf Hitler’s NSDAP had to vote with open communists on some issues to achieve their goals. WE need to utilize and support every movement of dissent against this evil American empire, regardless of which end of the political spectrum it originates from.

    The foremost authority on National Socialism in America has this to say about “Occupy” [ANP leader Rocky Suhayda — ed.] :

    What is really MISSING — is the “MOVEMENT” from these popular protests — its time to pull WN heads out of their collective ass’s, and JOIN IN the attack on Judeo-Capitalism. What do you suggest? That WN Working Class White people DEFEND the Judeo-Capitalists? IF the “movement” wasn’t so PATHETIC it would be OUT THERE — LEADING these protests! The fact that its these “lefties” as you call them, who are picking up the ball and running with it — only shows how much more in tune THEY are with the fed up masses of White Workers, than the fossilized, reactionary “right-wing”. WHO holds the WEALTH and POWER in this country — the JUDEO-CAPITALISTS. WHO is therefore the #1 ENEMY who makes all this filth happen — the JUDEO-CAPITALISTS. WHO therefore do WN need to FIGHT? My heart is right there with these people, perhaps someday the “movement” will SHOW the same COURAGE and DEDICATION that these people OUT THERE FIGHTING are SHOWING!

    Sincerely, ROCKY SUHAYDA Hail Victory! 88!

    We’ve been pointing out that this movement is chock full of racists. We’ve shown you posters, we’ve shown you speeches- what does it take for you to accept that this movement has a real issue with anti-Semitism? Why don’t you two knuckleheads cut the bullshit of attacking the messenger and look at the message.

  • 192. an800lbgorilla  |  October 17, 2011 at 5:40 am

    Does this make you any happier?

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/figures-nazi-party-throws-support-behind-occupy-wall-street-movement/

  • 193. an800lbgorilla  |  October 17, 2011 at 5:59 am

    Thor that is the shame of being a loyal GOPher. I can count on one hand (being generous) the number of times the conservatives on this blog have condemned the bad behavior of their fellow conservatives. Either the behavior is justified (as in the case of Wilson yelling “you lie”) or the behavior is outright denied (as in black congressmen getting spat on during the Tea Party protests).” – R

    Because he never got spat on and you know it. R, they went out there trolling for something racial to happen so they would FINALLY have some proof to their racist meme. It never happened. They had multiple videos going on around them as they strolled through the protesters, never once have they demonstrated where spitting occurred. Not once. It was a lie.

    Speaking of lies, Joe Wilson was correct when he said it. Now, we could begrudge him for doing it during the State of the Union- OR- we could sit back and really question this Administration who has been caught lying over, and over again.

    Since we’re on the topic of lies, here’s a whopper:

    http://columbia.academia.edu/EdwardHall

    Trust fund babies. Eat the Rich…

  • 194. an800lbgorilla  |  October 17, 2011 at 6:06 am

    R, questions you’ve still failed to address from comment #10:

    1. Tell me, does perpetuating- whether in part or whole- a lie intended to malign a race of people count as racism in your book? If I was to go on about how it has been scientifically shown that black people have a smaller brain, and are therefore less intelligence than white people, how would you react? What if I was to say, ‘well, most of the scientific community disagrees, but…”, again, how would you react?

    2. The fact that he uses White Supremacist web sites doesn’t seem to bother you, provided they’re talking about Jews of course;
    The fact that he constantly reaches into a web-site vehemently anti-Jewish doesn’t bother you either;
    Nor the fact that he promotes the fallacy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which I’ll assume doesn’t bother you.
    I’m curious, what does it take for you to call him a racist?

    When will you answer these questions?

  • 195. an800lbgorilla  |  October 17, 2011 at 6:51 am

  • 196. Alfie  |  October 17, 2011 at 7:14 am

    @180 Because people like you with a certain deck of cards who trump intellectual honesty.
    For the record I’m not trying to say there isn’t countless examples of racism available from the center to far right. I like others here would also say there is countless examples from the center to far left.
    What I am saying though Thor is you’re a disingenuous person who implies fallacies to conversation to suit your goals.
    So the score for your race parade in this thread alone is 2&2.
    I’d quit a .500 if I were you.

  • 197. El Tigre  |  October 17, 2011 at 8:27 am

    G asks, “When will [R] answer these questions?”

    When he’s done counting on his three-fingered hand. Had he had the remaining two, he would’ve added (1) responding to false allegations of racism, and (2) being accused of racism in responding to false allegations of racism.

    Thorazine, I am not familiar with the posters or depictions you’re talking about. Assuming they’re intentionally inflammatory and racist I denounce them. The same applies to anything else you can find. And I will bitch-slap anyone using the term tar baby around me, including the racist blacks that use it. It’ll wear out my bitch-slapping hand, but I’ll do it for you and R. You’re welcomed to address the point now.

  • 198. Alfie  |  October 17, 2011 at 8:41 am

    @ Rutherford I am obviously a little disappointed with your #186

  • 199. Alfie  |  October 17, 2011 at 8:51 am

    Thinking out loud as it were…
    Since I don’t find OWS to be “leaderless” I don’ t think racism,anti-semitism etc is/was the aim of the cause. It is true though that those that pushed the start button have no desire to wade into the fray whilst the cannon fodder percolates.

    I think the “99″ is a fail movement because they are from the get go co-opted by a set of realities they fail to understand,not unlike some religious endeavors.

  • 200. Alfie  |  October 17, 2011 at 8:55 am

    More for trying to hit the 200 mark than anything else…
    Will someone please please please stop putting microphones in front of this f@#$ing Rev. R Jeffress!!!!!!
    The “controversy” around him is based on the wrong foundation,the conversation “we” are trying to have is not the one “we” are willing to have So just stop it!

  • 201. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Alfie I’m a bit confused by your last comment but if you peruse the thread you’ll see that Tex is in deep denial about the extent to which Jeffress is a divisive assh*le. Still waiting for Perry to give a public denouncement.

    As for your disappointment at 186, I wish I didn’t have to say it but it is true. Might not be true about you in particular but it is certainly true about most of the gang here.

    G, I’ve seen video of one of the congressmen wiping his face after passing by the “spitter” so your claim that it was never documented is BS. The “alternative story” is that the “spitter” accidentally spat while shouting at the congressman. Since intent of spit is hard to prove, I’m willing to split the difference and agree to that version.

    After breakfast, G, I’ll answer your questions.

  • 202. an800lbgorilla  |  October 17, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Sure, let me see the video too…

  • 203. poolman  |  October 17, 2011 at 10:24 am

  • 204. El Tigre  |  October 17, 2011 at 10:25 am

    R, I was taught at an early age never to lick a steak knife. You seem to have cut your tongue.

    Have you taken stock of who it is that’s talking about Cain’s race?

    While I obviously can’t speak for all outlets, the only discussion I see comes from the left. Much of it sounds like a variation on Uncle Tom (such as the video G linked to).

    I was thinking back to your friend Crazy Larry’s attack on Cain. I noticed you were silent about the juiciest parts — his “non-participation” in the civil rights marches. Do you really think that’s fair? Would it have been asked of a white candidate? Would it have been asked by a conservative?

    When will the epiphany that it is intellectually dishonest to use the denial of racism as proof that it occurred come to you?

    While the left fans the flames of populist outrage in an effort to exploit the OWS, it’s observers will continue to see the worst of the crowd and expect the lack of “denouncement” from the left to supply the proof that it represents the entire group.

  • 205. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Thank you Poolman … that was indeed the video I saw, without all the stuff at the end.

    G, It’s clear Cleaver is wiping something off his face with his hand. As I said before, it could be a case of spit-shouting, but the fact remains the man got spat on. And as I said before, for the sake of argument (or lack thereof) I’m willing to give the spitter the benefit of the doubt.

  • 206. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Tigre, if I was silent about Crazy Larry’s attack on Cain, I apologize. I could’ve sworn I mentioned it in one of these comment threads. I know for a fact I discussed it on my radio show two weeks in a row (including last night) and condemned O’Donnell in the strongest terms possible.

    And just a few comments earlier in this thread (but you may have stopped reading) I said that liberals have no right to dictate the “proper” behavior of blacks.

    So if you think I’m on the side of those calling Cain a sellout or a traitor to the race, you’re wrong and you’re basically shouting at the wall.

  • 207. an800lbgorilla  |  October 17, 2011 at 10:55 am

    G, I’ve seen video of one of the congressmen wiping his face after passing by the “spitter” so your claim that it was never documented is BS. The “alternative story” is that the “spitter” accidentally spat while shouting at the congressman. Since intent of spit is hard to prove, I’m willing to split the difference and agree to that version.” – R

    “Alternative story”? Are we talking about the 13 second mark in the posted video? THAT is your claim of intentional spitting?

    R, have you ever been spat on? I have. Flying through San Francisco in the mid-90’s while in uniform, I was spit on by some fucking 50-something left-wing nut. The only thing that saved him from a severe ass-whooping was the airport police officer who saw him do it, and arrested him. He didn’t cup his hands around his mouth, and he certainly did yell slogans at me. He called me a baby-killer and smiled at my reaction, which was to say, probably pretty venomous.

    So no, this doesn’t constitute “spitting” on someone. However, it makes but yet another great example of how you will do intellectual back-flips in an effort to tie something, anything, racist to the Tea Party. So once again I ask, can you provide but a single example of racism as blatant and clear as what we’ve shown you multiple times now?

  • 208. El Tigre  |  October 17, 2011 at 11:07 am

    R, although I expanded a bit, my comments were motivated by yours at 186, 187.

    Sorry I missed your shows. I am glad that you are willing to call out the left.

    My point obtains though: were is the discussion of Cain;s race coming from? The answer to me is quite telling.

  • 209. poolman  |  October 17, 2011 at 11:09 am

  • 210. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 11:12 am

    G, in answer to your questions:

    1. Yes, perpetuating a lie to defame a race of people is racism. If you’re referring to the “protocols”, Poolman should repudiate them.

    2. Poolman linked to one obviously white supremacist web site and when I was warned about it via private email, I removed the offensive link and Poolman himself apologized publicly for using it, thinking the message trumped the source. I disagreed.

    Now if you’re referring to Veteran’s Today … I have not spent sufficient time on the site to declare it anti-Semitic. I do know that no one said “boo” after countless links from Jihadwatch posted by Elric. In fact, Elric posted enough Islamophobic nonsense to fill a small library. So if Poolman posts from a site that is critical of Jews, well fair is fair, so long as the site isn’t neo-Nazi and calling for extermination.

    One last thing about Poolman (God I’m tired of being his lawyer … I need to convince BiW or Tigre to take on the case pro-bono): If Poolman’s positions were entirely rational on every subject other than Jews, I could easily label him an anti-Semite or at least wonder what the heck is going on. BUT Poolman embraces a whole bunch of ideas on the fringe. I’ve always seen his anti-Zionist rants as part of a bigger picture of general paranoia concerning the MSM and the “official story”. If you look at Poolman’s oeuvre in its entirety the Jewish paranoia fits into a pattern of general paranoia.

    Furthermore, and finally, if we took every one of Poolman’s posts and replaced “Jew” with “Muslim” no one here with the exception of Huck would say a damn thing.

  • 211. El Tigre  |  October 17, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Sorry:

    “My point obtains though: where is the discussion of Cain’s race coming from? The answer to me is quite telling.”

  • 212. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 11:25 am

    were is the discussion of Cain;s race coming from? The answer to me is quite telling.

    There is action and reaction. Let’s take the “racist rock” business. I agree with those who say Amanpour shouldn’t have asked the question … she was baiting Cain. BUT how many conservatives attacked Amanpour? They attacked Cain for his answer.

    I had a similar reaction back in the Cambridge police incident in 2009. Everyone jumped down Obama’s back for calling the police stupid but no one and I mean no one jumped down Lynn Sweet’s back for baiting Obama in the first place. That press conference had NOTHING to do with the Cambridge incident. Sweet asked the question because OF COURSE a BLACK President MUST have an opinion about any racially charged incident in the country. Sweet’s been on my sh*t-list ever since that day. If Obama had been smart, he would’ve said “why are you asking ME that question?” and put Sweet on the defensive. Instead, he let his ego get the better of him and he answered it … and played right into her hand.

    So fine Tigre, you can point to liberal journalists as making race an issue, but conservatives play right along. They all play the game. The lib journalist throws the pitch, the conservative journalists wait to see where the ball goes and then they knock it out of the park themselves to suit their own political ends. No one here is innocent.

  • 213. poolman  |  October 17, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Magilla brought up the Protocols. I merely claimed the official word is that they are forged. I did not claim they were accurate or true. I only said we should look to the “fruit” of the Zionist movement to see what it is all about. If the facts line up with the text, it’s either coincidence, planned, or a mix of both. I have not read the Protocols, so I cannot claim to know the full content or implication.

    This same argument could be made for the Bible. Is it real or forged? Man’s words or God’s words? Regardless, it is still a controversial book that both unifies and divides. Is it true? Look at the lives of those who claim to live by it.

    We are told not to judge a book by it’s cover, yet we do it continually. Some folks are looking for racism in every conversation, especially if if makes their political opponents look bad. I see it raise its head on both sides of the aisle. In America today, you have to look through it sort of like a smog to find the clear message. Political correctness does much to mask the underlying issue of race today.

  • 214. an800lbgorilla  |  October 17, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    That press conference had NOTHING to do with the Cambridge incident. Sweet asked the question because OF COURSE a BLACK President touted as the answer to all racism in America MUST have an opinion about any racially charged incident in the country. Sweet’s been on my sh*t-list ever since that day because she exposed the bias and arrogance of Obama. If Obama had been smart, he would’ve said “why are you asking ME that question?” and put Sweet on the defensive. Instead, he let his ego get the better of him and he answered it … and played right into her hand of garnering an unscripted moment on an issue he used as a shield to criticism and a weapon against his political opponent with just months before

    Just wanted to make this as accurate as possible.

  • 215. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Once again Poolman, thanks for the video support.

    G, it’s getting tiring arguing with you about isolated Tea Party racism. You know it was there and you are being willfully stupid. Not every sign in Poolman’s video was racist in my opinion. I don’t think calling Obama Hitler is racist. Also one has to differentiate between outright racist and racially charged. “Obama’s Plan: White Slavery” If that isn’t racially charged then I don’t know what planet you live on.

    “Stand idle while some Kenyan tries to destroy America. I don’t think so. Homey don’t play dat.” — racially neutral? You’re kidding right?

    I know you love the South but for most, waving the Confederate flag is a sign of longing for the good old days of slavery.

    “Save White America”

    The famous Lyin’ African poster

    “This sign is the brownest thing on this entire block” WTF? Not just racial but stupid.

    “Gimme yo change” Obama as Mr. T?

    “Teabagger” in white hood lynching Obama in a tea bag.

    So I’ve just wasted precious minutes of my life pointing out to you G what many people find obvious. Also notice in the video, not a single black person carrying any of those signs. Now if you want to tell me this is a skewed representation of an otherwise worthy movement, I can go along with that. But don’t insult me by telling me there were no fringe elements at those rallies.

    P.S. The one I do love is “Obama Spends Like a Woman”. That one’s not racist … it’s sexist!!! :lol:

  • 216. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    a weapon against his political opponent with just months before

    You lost me on that one.

    Also let me get this straight. You see no parallel between what Sweet did and what Amanpour did?

  • 217. an800lbgorilla  |  October 17, 2011 at 12:13 pm

  • 218. an800lbgorilla  |  October 17, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    “Stand idle while some Kenyan tries to destroy America. I don’t think so. Homey don’t play dat.” — racially neutral? You’re kidding right?

    Birther with some pop-culture thrown in. How many people were saying that in the 90’s after the Wayan brothers did it?

    So I’ll agree with you over racially charged, these being good examples:
    I know you love the South but for most, waving the Confederate flag is a sign of longing for the good old days of slavery.

    I don’t love the South and that was one of the questionable displays that I saw.

    “Save White America”
    “Gimme yo change” Obama as Mr. T?

    The famous Lyin’ African poster

    Again, this isn’t about race, it is about nationality. Let it go…

    “This sign is the brownest thing on this entire block” WTF? Not just racial but stupid.

    This is clearly a plant, as is this:

    “Teabagger” in white hood lynching Obama in a tea bag.

    Who would depict themselves as a KKK member? And besides, this isn’t a picture at a rally, it is isolated solely as an image, so who knows where this thing came from.

    Listen, all I want you to do is acknowledge that the OWS movement has out right racism in it, as demonstrated repeatedly. Frankly, I surprised you didn’t try to make the Hitler thing about race instead of the fascism that it was claiming (I’m proud of you R…), but at the end of the day, you can’t show racism within the Tea Party anywhere near what is being displayed right now from the OWS crowd.

  • 219. thorsaurus  |  October 17, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    “What I am saying though Thor is you’re a disingenuous person who implies fallacies to conversation to suit your goals.
    So the score for your race parade in this thread alone is 2&2.” – A

    I’m not disingenous, but you are certainly in denial. Or you have no concept of a dog whistle. Either way, I don’t share ET’s view that “tar baby” can be interchanged with “sticky situation” or “super glue” in a conversation without anybody anywhere seeing it as racial. I guess we live in different worlds. And I don’t really care if you guys want to defendthese people. I’m simply pushing back on what some people said at the beginning of this thread. That Dems are the only ones concerned with race. Clearly they are not the only ones, as shown by the several examples I’ve given.

  • 220. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    you can’t show racism within the Tea Party anywhere near what is being displayed right now from the OWS crowd.

    G, We may slowly be getting somewhere.

    Let’s turn to the OWS crowd now. While the questionable signs at the Tea Party rallies focused anger on an individual implying that his race and ethnicity (Kenyan heritage) were part of the problem … although what connection they had to Fed over reach is beyond me, the racism found at the OWS follows naturally from a long standing “tradition” of blaming Jews for financial wrong-doing. For many, banker=Jew. Now I am not justifying this. What I am trying to say is that a financial meltdown accompanied by an imbalance of wealth focused on the top 1% of the country is a friggin’ MAGNET for Jew haters.

    Why should I be surprised that Nazi’s are jumping for joy over OWS? It is the natural bigoted reaction to financial shenanigans. The bigger issue G, is that OWS is NOT the Nazi movement. You know that as well as I do.

    I agree that it is incumbent upon them to denounce the loons the same way it was incumbent upon the TPM to denounce their loons. I’m guessing that the nature of protest is that protesters don’t want to spend time on in-fighting … they’re too busy trumpeting their cause to see the bad actors who are compromising their message.

  • 221. El Tigre  |  October 17, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    “So fine Tigre, you can point to liberal journalists as making race an issue, but conservatives play right along.”

    That was not my point Rutherford.

    The left race a pivotal issue when it came to Obama.

    To my knowledge the right has not made Cain’s race an issue at all. Don’t you see that reaction you hold out as the conservatives problem with Cain’s race was really the backlash for allowing his race to become an issue at all.

  • 222. El Tigre  |  October 17, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    “I don’t share ET’s view that “tar baby” can be interchanged with “sticky situation” or “super glue” in a conversation without anybody anywhere seeing it as racial.”

    “View,” Numbnut? Somebody somewhere saw the use of “white paper” as racist. What other people “see” is not and should not be the test.

  • 223. an800lbgorilla  |  October 17, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    For many, bankercriminal=BlackJew. Now I am not justifying this.

    Just providing some perspective.

    R, you and I both know that you and every other liberal did everything they could to claim racism against the Tea Party. Here, you have a movement that you’re trying to take advantage of and you are all ignoring the blatant racism you sought out in the Tea Party. You guys might want to seriously rethink this strategy.

    And oh by-the-by, when this gets violent, which it will, Obama’s- and the Dems in general- embracing of the movement is going to severely burn you. Mark my words.

  • 224. MuffyMcD  |  October 17, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    “The one I do love is “Obama Spends Like a Woman”. That one’s not racist…it’s sexist!!!

    I’m suffering in silence.

  • 225. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    G, from a linguistic perspective you’re slightly off point. Banker has positive and negative connotations. Criminal does not. So your replacement strictly speaking doesn’t work.

    But let’s go with it assuming the negative connotation of banker which is the basis of the anti-Jew bigotry. Are you suggesting I am any more tolerant of thieving-banker = Jew than I am of criminal = black? I’m not. We are in agreement they are both reprehensible equivalencies.

    The fact remains either we judge a group by its basest members or we don’t. You can’t play it one way with TPM and another with OWS. In the post prior to this one, I tried to make that very point and whip myself with a wet noodle for being guilty of same.

    As for violence, we’ll have to see. Occupation is much more in-your-face than doing a rally and everyone going home. It clearly places more pressure on the police to make sure order is preserved. No one in the mainstream of OWS if there is such a thing, is promoting violence.

    In fact, in the incident in Rome over the weekend, the reports clearly said a subset of protesters “broke off” and started destroying property. This is the danger of public protest.

    I think OWS violence falls under wishful thinking on your part.

  • 226. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    I’m suffering in silence.

    No need, Sister. I’m with you!

  • 227. an800lbgorilla  |  October 17, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    But let’s go with it assuming the negative connotation of banker which is the basis of the anti-Jew bigotry. Are you suggesting I am any more tolerant of thieving-banker = Jew than I am of criminal = black? I’m not. We are in agreement they are both reprehensible equivalencies.” – R

    After much equivocating, we finally get Rutherford Lawson to call the anti-Semitic behavior of the OWS movement reprehensible… sort of. Thanks for leading from the front on that one big guy.

    As for violence, no, I do not wish for it. No no, it is far better that they stay the way they are: stoned, dumb, lying and covered in their own shit. Nothing says “winning” like smelling your own feces…

  • 228. El Tigre  |  October 17, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    “No need, Sister. I’m with you!”

    Dude, you’re a chick?

  • 229. MuffyMcD  |  October 17, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    “Dude, you’re a chick?

    Uh Oh, Fat Grampa’s busted.

  • 230. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    Nothing says “winning” like smelling your own feces…

    Another way to put it is one can measure the authenticity of a movement by its body odor. :-) (h/t to John Fugelsang)

  • 231. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    After much equivocating, we finally get Rutherford Lawson to call the anti-Semitic behavior of the OWS movement reprehensible

    Yes in the same way that the racist/racially charged behavior of the TPM was reprehensible. We are in full agreement at long last. ;-)

  • 232. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    LOL Tigre and Muffy, you crack me up. Now Tigre, I thought it was a forgone conclusion that I’m in the Phil Donahue mold. He is a feminist you know.

  • 233. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    I’m guessing Tex had a visit from his better half this weekend, hence his absence. We’ll see if he confirms upon his return.

  • 234. El Tigre  |  October 17, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Tex is obviously down there infiltrating the OWS.

    BTW. I learned our Mayor Kasim Reed has a little dilemma. The (very small) Woodruff park where the approx. 100 Occupiers are located was the designated site of some kind of Hip Hop festival scheduled for next weekend. The Occupiers vow not to leave.

    Should I suggest to Reed that a free hacky sack give away a couple blocks away might clear the park? Or should we watch the OWS get called racists by the black community?

    (I know, I know — “community” is a racially charged word when used by a white guy around here. . . ).

  • 235. El Tigre  |  October 17, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    R, you make Donahue look like Al Bundy.

  • 236. dead rabbit  |  October 17, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    What’s up with hipsters’ affinity for hacky sack?

    Shit sucks. Pointless.

    In fact, I’m going to take it a step farther and say frisbee sucks too.

  • 237. Alfie  |  October 17, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    @219 pardon the pun but it is really black & white here. You’re either disingenuous or a moron.
    I said you were 2&2 for very good reason. In the B.ennett and the tar baby case you fail.
    I suppose there is a chance you are both like the tards who hated the UMASS “mascot” because it was a white oppressor with a gun. Not only were they all idiots on that point but they obviously failed history,Minuteman is different than Uncle Cracker overseer.

  • 238. Alfie  |  October 17, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    @ 210…Ahem?!! What?!?!

  • 239. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Alfie 210 was kinda long. Exactly what are you “ahem”ing at?

  • 240. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Tigre, the answer to me seems obvious. Have the hip hop artists entertain the OWS contingent and let the park fill to capacity with festival guests … who in turn may join the OWS cause.

    It’s a win-win!!!!

    Oh and Tigre, I hereby officially welcome you into the black community! Maybe then you can stop moaning and groaning every time you use the phrase. :cool:

  • 241. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    One thing I never dreamed when I married my wife 11 years ago was that one day she’d be watching Al Sharpton every day at 5pm central time. :shock:

    Please don’t judge her … she knows not what she does.

  • 242. Alfie  |  October 17, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Well for starters
    I do know that no one said “boo” after countless links from Jihadwatch posted by Elric. In fact, Elric posted enough Islamophobic nonsense to fill a small library.
    and
    Furthermore, and finally, if we took every one of Poolman’s posts and replaced “Jew” with “Muslim” no one here with the exception of Huck would say a damn thing.

  • 243. Alfie  |  October 17, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    And btw you’re lucky your a prog/lib otherwise thor would make a point of your use of “boo”

  • 244. Alfie  |  October 17, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    @236
    Rabbit the pointlessness is the point,keeps the youthful angst levels up to par.

  • 245. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Anyone who disses frisbee is unAmerican.

  • 246. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    OK Alfie I’ll grant that you did boot the Internet’s most famous Islamophobe from your own blog. Point taken.

    I don’t think he even posts to BiW’s place anymore. His mother must have finally kicked him out of the basement. :neutral:

  • 247. Alfie  |  October 17, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    You make me sound petty R. I was actually thinking more about various sparring here and away from folks. He didn’t get the carte blanche you’ve implied methinks. Perhaps I’m not remembering correctly?

  • 248. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Alfie, you might have smacked him a time or two here. Huck has been a consistent highlighter of religious hypocrisy here … and admittedly, Rabbit also finally got fed up with Elric’s link diarrhea and spoke up.

    So yes … I guess my remark was a bit broad brush.

  • 249. Rutherford  |  October 17, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    On a more important note, could someone please explain to me why the TV Gods keep screwing with The X Factor?

    Last week, Rabbit’s damn Detroit Tigers preempted the show. So they moved it to Sunday night …. and what happened? The Fox local affiliate went dead on my TiVo Premiere. Fortunately we recorded it on another TiVo and watched part of it live (for some odd reason some channels periodically black out on my TiVo Premiere but still can be viewed “straight out of the wall” through my TV tuner).

    And crap … the show didn’t even get preempted last week for a good cause. The Tigers went on to lose. :-(

  • 250. El Tigre  |  October 17, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    “Oh and Tigre, I hereby officially welcome you into the black community!”

    You’re a member? :lol:

  • 251. poolman  |  October 17, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    hehehe

  • 252. poolman  |  October 17, 2011 at 10:28 pm

  • 253. dead rabbit  |  October 17, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Lol on the David Duke video. Well played.

  • 254. huckingfypocrites  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:28 am

    OK, so I am basically indifferent as far as the whole OWS thing. I respect their right to protest and I respect that they are protesting, even if I think their efforts are misguided and futile.

    But it makes for entertaining viewing sometimes. They have dozens of live feeds you can watch, and I’d be lying if I said I haven’t wasted more than a couple hours watching the spectacle.

    I especially like watching the NYC feed while listening to the NYPD police scanners.

    You gotta love the interweb.

  • 255. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:41 am

    “Oh and Tigre, I hereby officially welcome you into the black community!”

    You’re a member? :lol:

    Touche Sir, touche! :-)

  • 256. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:52 am

    I guess this was inevitable:

    Cain tied to Koch brothers.

    This may explain why Cain is in no rush to establish campaign HQ’s in various key cities or get any kind of ground game. With the Koch’s and their influence he may have the Tea Party right in his back pocket. Time will tell.

    As the article suggests, could this be our first corporate sponsored/owned POTUS?

  • 257. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:54 am

    Hey Rabbit, I’m gonna see this when I get the chance … how ’bout you?

    http://www.margincallmovie.com/

  • 258. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 1:01 am

    Huck you are too much. I would never in a million years have thought to listen to the police radio frequency while watching OWS streams. Kinda like watching the Wizard of Oz while listening to Dark Side of the Moon. :-)

    Heck, I didn’t even know you could hear police frequency on the web.

    Huck since you’ve watched a good amount of the feed, could you comment … how much Jew-hating have you witnessed?

  • 259. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 1:17 am

    I’ve been watching a NYC feed powered by LiveStream and the dude on camera is clearly looking at a computer screen because he’s reacting to some of the stuff in the chat room. Now THIS is mind blowing. The notion that folks can participate remotely in this via the Net … ask questions of the occupants, etc.

    When I watch this and I think back on the conversations in the last couple of threads, I see what old farts so many of us have become. I don’t think it can be underestimated the impact of a 60′s style protest with social media thrown in via the Internet. Regardless of your political persuasion how you cannot see that something incredible is going on is beyond me.

    Huck may be right … it may all come to nothing … but this is an old tradition completely revitalized by 21st century technology. That in and of itself makes it fascinating.

    P.S. The guy I’ve been watching, “Steve” doesn’t look like the sort to go postal on anyone. G’s predictions of violence seem melodramatic to me. Question is if really bad stuff goes down, will it be because of the occupiers or cops looking for a fight?

    I’m telling you, this sh*t is fascinating! Huck thanks for the feed URL. I owe you.

  • 260. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 1:23 am

    “All I am saying is give pizza a chance”

  • 261. huckingfypocrites  |  October 18, 2011 at 1:25 am

    I haven’t witnessed any hate, but I also recognize that I only see what the people controlling the feeds and cameras allow me to see.

    The people who moderate the chat portions of those feeds run a pretty tight ship as far as hate. When people start hating on the police they are shut up or shut out. Most of the feed chats I have seen have rules against political or religious chatter of any kind.

    I suspect, as usual, that the “Jew hatred” we keep hearing about is actually people speaking out against Israeli policy and US policy regarding Israel.

    But with that said…people are assholes. And the more people you get together, the more assholes there are in the group. And this is a big group, so I am sure not going to say there is anything that is not going on.

    I am mostly interested in the mobilization side of this. How they use the net to diffuse information. A few nights ago I was watching one of the feeds while the police were present and they started putting up numbers to the police stations and mayor’s office on the screen for people to call in protest.

    But there is also a lot of misinformation that gets spread, as well as fear mongering and exaggeration. So the feeds and chats must be viewed with a certain level of scrutiny and even skepticism.

  • 262. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 1:29 am

    Thanks for the info Huck. Sounds like a very reasonable assessment to me.

  • 263. thorsaurus  |  October 18, 2011 at 1:36 am

    “I suppose there is a chance you are both like the tards…” – A

    Very revealing.

  • 264. huckingfypocrites  |  October 18, 2011 at 1:44 am

    “But there is also a lot of misinformation that gets spread, as well as fear mongering and exaggeration. So the feeds and chats must be viewed with a certain level of scrutiny and even skepticism.”

    Just to be clear, that statement was regarding misinformation and such coming from the feeds and chats…not misinformation and such about the movement(s). I’m sure there is that, too. But that is not what I was talking about.

  • 265. an800lbgorilla  |  October 18, 2011 at 4:54 am

  • 266. Alfie  |  October 18, 2011 at 7:38 am

    ok thor its official you ARE the chief of the speech police. LOSER

  • 267. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 8:16 am

    “G’s predictions of violence seem melodramatic to me.”

    I find the prediction rational. The protest/movement has nowhere else to go.

    Look at the European versions.

    And listening to that douche bag with the longhair and sideways hat playing to the camera with his desperate pleas and wailing makes me want to take hostages. Somebody please punch him.

  • 268. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 8:31 am

    “Lol on the David Duke video. Well played.”

    Not so fast there Rabbit.

    The KKK protesters have a lot in common with the OWS protestors.

    Quit being such a hypocrite. :lol: :lol:

  • 269. an800lbgorilla  |  October 18, 2011 at 8:48 am

    SPEECHLESS: OBAMA’S TELEPROMPTER STOLEN!

  • 270. an800lbgorilla  |  October 18, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Polling the Occupy Wall Street Crowd

  • 271. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 11:02 am

    We always must consider the source Gorilla. Mmmmm let me see, an article about Occupy Wall Street from the Wall Street Journal. You’re kidding me, right?

    From a recent Time poll:

    When asked for their view of the Tea Party, 27% of the respondents went with favorable, while 33% said it was unfavorable. When asked about the Occupy Wall Street movement, 54% looked at it as favorable, while 23% viewed it as unfavorable. In short, twice as many respondents viewed OWS as the favorable movement.

  • 272. an800lbgorilla  |  October 18, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Its a Dem pollster who went into the OWS movement and interviewed protesters.

    Next time, read the story instead of the link ID…

  • 273. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 11:14 am

    From G’s dopey article:

    Thus Occupy Wall Street is a group of engaged progressives who are disillusioned with the capitalist system and have a distinct activist orientation.

    No sh*t Sherlock Wow … that Journal poll of 200 occupiers came up with such unexpected results!!!! What a f*cking joke. They’re occupying Wall Street so yes … they’re activists.

    And anybody with half a brain is “disillusioned with the capitalist system” right now. If you’re not, then you’re not paying attention. Am I saying it’s time for full fledged socialism? No. It’s time to remind the players in the “free market” that free market capitalism doesn’t mean stealing and gambling with other people’s money.

    I just saw a segment last night with this author who’s written a book about how corporations play with pension funds. A lot of the golden parachutes that executives get out with, “borrow” funds from your friggin’ retirement plan.

    It’s time for some changes.

  • 274. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 11:20 am

    The pension scam that I saw last night:

    http://mentaldumpingground.com/2011/10/18/got-a-pension-want-your-head-to-explode/

  • 275. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Its a Dem pollster who went into the OWS movement and interviewed protesters.

    I could care less about the political affiliation of the pollster. Dollars to donuts if the poll didn’t “reveal” how sinister the movement is, WSJ would not have published it.

    And as I said before, the results ain’t that profound. The boogeyman code word planted throughout the article is violence. Ooooo. I find it so funny that the right spends 90% of its time talking about what wimpy cowards liberals are but once a bunch of them get together, suddenly there is such potential for violence.

  • 276. an800lbgorilla  |  October 18, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Let’s put it in context spanky…

    Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn’t represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence. Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda.

    The vast majority of demonstrators are actually employed, and the proportion of protesters unemployed (15%) is within single digits of the national unemployment rate (9.1%).

    An overwhelming majority of demonstrators supported Barack Obama in 2008. Now 51% disapprove of the president while 44% approve, and only 48% say they will vote to re-elect him in 2012, while at least a quarter won’t vote.

    Fewer than one in three (32%) call themselves Democrats, while roughly the same proportion (33%) say they aren’t represented by any political party.

    What binds a large majority of the protesters together—regardless of age, socioeconomic status or education—is a deep commitment to left-wing policies: opposition to free-market capitalism and support for radical redistribution of wealth, intense regulation of the private sector, and protectionist policies to keep American jobs from going overseas.

    Sixty-five percent say that government has a moral responsibility to guarantee all citizens access to affordable health care, a college education, and a secure retirement—no matter the cost. By a large margin (77%-22%), they support raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans, but 58% oppose raising taxes for everybody, with only 36% in favor. And by a close margin, protesters are divided on whether the bank bailouts were necessary (49%) or unnecessary (51%).

    Thus Occupy Wall Street is a group of engaged progressives who are disillusioned with the capitalist system and have a distinct activist orientation. Among the general public, by contrast, 41% of Americans self-identify as conservative, 36% as moderate, and only 21% as liberal. That’s why the Obama-Pelosi embrace of the movement could prove catastrophic for their party.

  • 277. an800lbgorilla  |  October 18, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Hey shit head, who’s renowned for burning shit down, destroying cars and random acts of vandalism and violence?

    Leftist protesters. This is not a big logical leap… at least for some…

  • 278. dead rabbit  |  October 18, 2011 at 11:30 am

    I’m talking out of my ass here, but I’m willing to bet only a small amount of the OWS could be compared to the KKK.

    Those are the ones that buy into the whole world conspiracy Jew thing.

    Most of those people are of the militant multicultural persuasion.

    Honestly, until they start actually lynching Jew bankers, I’d probably back off the KKK comparisons.

    We don’t need to stretch and contort.

    They are for the most part socialist ass clowns who do not represent a silent majority.

    Another 10 percent are anarchists. Those are the ones that will turn this ugly.

    Don’t worry conservatives. This OWS thing is gift among gifts if you want that failure out in ’12.

    No need to run with are heads cut off trying to de-legitimize them. They will do that for us.

    Relax and enjoy the show.

  • 279. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 11:32 am

    LOL … you think quoting almost the entire article changes anything? Again, but for that boogeyman of “violence” there is nothing there.

    They favor civil disobedience. Again … what a surprise!!!

    I think the most revealing thing here … the one you would rather not focus on … is that they DON’T for the most part support Barack Obama. So much for the theory that this is just a re-elect Obama protest.

  • 280. an800lbgorilla  |  October 18, 2011 at 11:32 am

    And violence was the point of the story! Schoen is saying, ‘hey, be careful in taking the side of these guys because they are not who they say they are and there is a very real chance that they’ll do something dumb, violent or both.”

    In other words, he was doing you a favor…

  • 281. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 11:32 am

    R, you’re out of touch and caught up in your MSNBC universe again. These are the crapping on cop car crowds, not political or market reformists. If they were they wouldn’t be protesting “big business” on Wall Street (not even occupied by the object of their ire) with the silly list of “we’re pissed off” demands.

    While most would unquestionably sympathize witht hose that feel hopeless, regular people view this an a misguided oddity and not a worthwhile attack on “unrestrained capitalism.” In other words, they don’t “support” the movement, or protests.

    These are the people let down by your Messiah and that is ultimately how they’ll be viewed by the majority.

    The changes need to occur in Washington. And while the liberal media fans the flames of populist outrage believing that it will net them support for their peeps it will not.

    I am confident that the class warfare engaged in by the left is not as popular as you think. Deep down what people recognize that this is about pessimism, not the beheading of the wealthy or the demise of capitalism.

  • 282. dead rabbit  |  October 18, 2011 at 11:35 am

    My gut tells me Gorrilla’s poll data is spot on.

  • 283. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Rabbit, you are too funny sometimes. Keep siding with the opposition my friend. How many times do you need to see the system not working for you before you wise up and side with the folks who want to change it?

  • 284. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Rabbit are you bothering to read anything? G’s “poll data” if you’re talking about the WSJ article is nothing new. I’ve said it three times already. It’s an article that didn’t need to be written other than to scare us about that third of folks who want to do “violence”.

    Tigre:

    While most would unquestionably sympathize witht hose that feel hopeless, regular people view this an a misguided oddity and not a worthwhile attack on “unrestrained capitalism.” In other words, they don’t “support” the movement, or protests.

    The Time poll that I posted says you’re full of it. A clear majority of folks view the OWS protest favorably.

    You’re the one out of touch.

  • 285. poolman  |  October 18, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Perspective. Opinion. Different angles. Agendas. Propaganda. Persuasion. Pros and cons. Try to convince me you’re right. I’m good with that. Just don’t try to make me fit a mold. Statistics are always provided to sway policy or minds.

    For instance, from those stats above in 276, would you agree 1/3 are republicans, if the other 2/3 are democrats and independents? Why not say that? Fear the readership might become sympathetic?

    Speaking of perspectives…

    I listened to that entire David Duke “presentation” from a you tube clip. I didn’t want to post a link to that here, since my one time “stormfront” link has been held up against me almost daily since that time almost a year ago. You guys still get a lot of mileage on that one. :grin: I bet you don’t even remember the topic of discussion.

    Anyway, DD equates his beliefs with the founding fathers, comparing the original constitution and Jefferson’s writings, he claims to agree and believes they show the races should be separate. His speech otherwise is reasoned. Besides his obvious racism, which he does not hide but rather flaunts, he sees himself as mainstream albeit misrepresented and misunderstood. For what it’s worth, he really embraces the tea party movement and believes it evokes his same message.

    I think it interesting that the diversity of the TPM include some of the same extreme fringe elements that they criticize in the OWS participants. A large contingency of both groups are Ron Paul supporters. A common link, and one the “establishment” constantly fears and the MSM quashes.

    It is also interesting to see how the MSM reports these events as opposed to local and livestream reporting.

  • 286. thorsaurus  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    R – They are commenting on the views of the protestors. The Time poll reflected how Americans in general view OWS. I think the latter is much more important. And right now, OWS is clearly much more popular than the Tea Party. That doesn’t bode well for Cain or Romney. Romney is on record supporting TARP and made much of his money tearing apart companies. Cain is for putting more of the tax burden on the poor and he thinks if you don’t have a job, it’s your own fault. I don’t think those positions will fly with the 54% who support OWS. BTW, I posted those same numbers earlier and Tex laughed it off. I don’t think you’ll get much further with the rest of these guys. I hear Occupy Vegas is going to be outside the debate tonight. Could be interesting.

  • 287. poolman  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    My gut tells me Gorrilla’s poll data is spot on.

    Eeeeewwwwww…..rabbit guts!

  • 288. thorsaurus  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    ok thor its official you ARE the chief of the speech police. LOSER – A

    Your use of the term “speech police” implies that I’m trying to control your comments. I am not. I am simply commenting back. By all means continue. Nearly every comment you make reveals another shard of the jagged ice that protrudes from your heart.

    Now Poolman or someone, can I have some Beck? “I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me. Going crazy with the cheese whiz …” :)

  • 289. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    They are commenting on the views of the protestors. The Time poll reflected how Americans in general view OWS.

    I understand that. I posted the Time poll to refute the assertion that most of America doesn’t relate to OWS or support them, an assertion that I knew was coming and sure enough El Tigre at 281 went there.

  • 290. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:40 pm

  • 291. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    “The Time poll that I posted says you’re full of it. A clear majority of folks view the OWS protest favorably.”

    I read your poll Rutherford. That was what I was responding to. I don’t believe it is truly representative. I am relying on my observations which may not be correct, but the margin of error pales in comparison to your usual wishful think as a substitute for truth. So blow me.

  • 292. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    I sure hope Numbnutz is right. I want Obama to pound his fists and associate himself with the OWS — just like Rutherford! :lol:

  • 293. an800lbgorilla  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Tirge, your email doesn’t work…

  • 294. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Finally, a group that won’t call me racist: Honkies for Herman!!

    http://honkiesforherman.us/blog/

  • 295. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Finally, a group that won’t call me racist: Honkies for Herman!!

    http://honkiesforherman.us/blog/

    Cain the “Runaway Slave.” Priceless. :lol: :lol:

  • 296. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    I am relying on my observations which may not be correct, but the margin of error pales in comparison

    Forget the comparison to my wishful thinking. Are you suggesting the margin of error for your “observations” is better than that of a Time poll? If so, dude you’re in the wrong profession. Nate Silver ought to be damned worried. :-)

  • 297. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    And now the song Beck sampled:

  • 298. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    Yes. I am.

    Let’s wait and see how it stacks up against other polls. Maybe I am wrong this time. But you’ve been wrong every time! :lol:

  • 299. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Incidentally, what does “supporting” the OWS mean? Is it at odds with what I believe?

  • 300. an800lbgorilla  |  October 18, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Brainwashed?

    Game. Set. Match.

    (WaPo) — For several months, radio host Tom Joyner has pleaded with his 8 million listeners to get in line behind the first black president.

    “Stick together, black people,” says Joyner, whose R&B morning show reaches one in four African American adults.

    The Rev. Al Sharpton, an ally of President Obama who has a daily radio show and hosts a nightly cable television program, recently told the president’s black critics, “I’m not telling you to shut up. I’m telling you: Don’t make some of us have to speak up.”

    Even as Obama and his campaign play down the suggestion that support among African Americans is flagging, a cadre of powerful allies is snapping back at critics in the black community and making explicit appeals for racial loyalty.

    “Let’s not even deal with the facts right now. Let’s deal with just our blackness and pride — and loyalty,” Joyner wrote on his BlackAmericaWeb.com blog. “We have the chance to re-elect the first African-American president, and that’s what we ought to be doing. And I’m not afraid or ashamed to say that as black people, we should do it because he’s a black man.”

    That message is pointed at racial unity much more than it was in 2008, when just the prospect of electing the nation’s first black president brought out record numbers of African American voters. This time, high-profile Obama supporters are tailoring their appeal in hopes of reigniting enthusiasm among blacks, a critical part of the president’s base that has been disproportionately hurt by the lagging economy and high unemployment rates.

    Recent Washington Post-ABC News polls have shown a drop in the number of blacks who have ”strongly favorable” views of Obama and those who think his policies are improving the economy. This has coincided with vocal criticism of the president among some members of the Congressional Black Caucus and other African American leaders.

  • 301. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Funny ….. HonkiesForHerman … more proof that conservative never get racial. ;-) The only ones who discuss race are liberals. Pfffft.

  • 302. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    I want Obama to pound his fists and associate himself with the OWS — just like Rutherford!

    and then

    Incidentally, what does “supporting” the OWS mean?

    You sound confused Tigre.

    Here’s the deal. Since the OWS doesn’t hang its hat on fairy tale imagery of “going back to the founding fathers” and actually has an entire list of grievances, it’s not too hard to find something in there to support. To say you’re against everything they stand for means you’re happy with the status quo. Maybe you are.

    I tend to be group-phobic quite honestly, Whenever individuals get into a “group” things tend to go awry (another reason I eschew organized religion). So rather than say I associate myself with OWS or support them, I’d say I think they are serving, for the time being, a very valuable purpose. It is about damn time that someone spoke up about corporate greed, deregulation and capitalism run amok. I’m shocked it’s taken this long.

    Now you know what we need? We need to end the liberal hypocrisy evident in the fact that we protested wars during Bush’s admin but now that Obama has tripled down on the war machine, we’ve gone silent. I don’t know how much OWS is demanding an end to Afghanistan and other military adventures, but someone needs to.

    It’s the only reason I support Ron Paul.

  • 303. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    “The only ones who discuss race are liberals.”

    Sometimes R you are such a tool. The fact that you don’t “get it” is mind numbing, but shouldn’t surprise me.

    Go back to listening to Sharpton.

  • 304. an800lbgorilla  |  October 18, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    20 minutes and counting…

    No comment?

  • 305. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    “You sound confused Tigre.”

    As you launch into confusion. . . :lol:

    R, what does it mean in the “polls” and is it at odds with what I said.

    What you think is stupid. :lol:

  • 306. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Gorilla, I’ve gone on record to say Tom Joyner is an ass.

  • 307. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    Tigre, let’s try again. Yes the poll result is at odds with what you said. You’d like us to believe the average American holds OWS in disdain. The Time poll suggests otherwise.

  • 308. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    What? That’s not what I said.

    Why is this so touchy for you R?

    Don;t answer. We know. It’s all you’ve got in the wake of your failed politicians. . .

  • 309. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Here’s what I actaually said R:

    “While most would unquestionably sympathize witht hose that feel hopeless, regular people view this an a misguided oddity and not a worthwhile attack on “unrestrained capitalism.” In other words, they don’t “support” the movement, or protests.”

    So why don’t you try once more? Third’s supposed to be a charm.

  • 310. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    20 minutes and counting…

    No comment?

    By the way … I love when folks time how long it takes me to respond to a comment … as though I spend the day ignoring all other stimuli and respond immediately to every comment …. unless of course I’m being evasive.

    Well just so you know … I’m gonna go to the WC, then go to the kitchen and make a turkey sandwich on whole wheat with an 8 ounce bottle of Mio water … probably go to the WC again when I’m done eating (don’t ask) and then if I feel like procrastinating some more on a paid assignment I should be working on, I’ll answer more comments. ;-)

  • 311. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    So why don’t you try once more?

    I’d say having a favorable feeling toward the OWS is more along the lines of support vs “sympathize”. Hence the built-in error in any poll. It’s all a matter of how folks interpret the English language.

  • 312. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Yeah, I’d find something else to do too. :lol:

    Maybe an hour or so of MSNBC will help you collect “your” thoughts. :lol:

  • 313. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    HOLY SHIT! An Epiphany!!!

    Go back to that sandwich R. You’ve earned your stripes!!!

  • 314. an800lbgorilla  |  October 18, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    R, I have about three or four posts where you were suppose to come back with “something substantive” that you never showed up for. So, you’ll have to forgive my impatience with you.

  • 315. poolman  |  October 18, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    It’s all a matter of how folks interpret the English language.

    Exactly. It depends on what the word “is” is. Like “regular” people. Who the hell are the “regular” people?

  • 316. huckingfypocrites  |  October 18, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    RE: 311…

    A lot of people classify “human resources” as “members,” “supporters,” and “sympathizers.”

    Members is pretty self-explanatory. In the case of OWS, they would be the people actually protesting.

    Supporters are non-members that provide physical resources. Like the people who donate $$$ to OWS, but are not protesting.

    Sympathizers are non-members that do not directly provide physical resources, but indirectly provide moral support and authority. Like those who say good things about OWS, or even those who just don’t say bad things about them.

  • 317. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    “Who the hell are the “regular” people?”

    Don’t worry Poolman, it sure as hell doesn’t include you.

    (what I meant were observers — not participants, media or politicians).

  • 318. Alfie  |  October 18, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Q11. IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, A GROUP OF PROTESTORS HAS BEEN GATHERING ON WALL STREET IN NEW YORK CITY AND SOME OTHER CITIES TO PROTEST POLICIES WHICH THEY SAY FAVOR THE RICH, THE GOVERNMENT’S BANK BAILOUT, AND THE INFLUENCE OF MONEY IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. IS YOUR OPINION OF THESE PROTESTS VERY FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE, VERY UNFAVORABLE, OR DON’T YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE PROTESTS TO HAVE AN OPINION?
    Seriously, people find this captures a mood that is unique to OWS?
    Does anyone seriously believe that if fuller questions were asked highlighting the revolutionary,anarchist and socialist ideologies that are very well represented at many of the “occupation” sites the fav’s would ring high?

  • 319. poolman  |  October 18, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Don’t worry Poolman, it sure as hell doesn’t include you.

    Oh good and thank God for that! All my life I been categorized as “regular” and “average” as far as stature and status are concerned.

    Finally, the verdict’s in and I’m past that particular niche. :cool:

  • 320. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    “Past?”

  • 321. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Alfie, were’d that question come from?

  • 322. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Alfie, I think the question is worded perfectly because it captures the nature of OWS. All this talk of anarchy and socialism is a distraction from the broader issue for why they are there.

    The question captured what OWS is really about. If it had been worded with all those buzzwords thrown in (anarchists, socialists, etc.) the question would no longer have been politically neutral.

  • 323. Tex Taylor  |  October 18, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    Seriously, people find this captures a mood that is unique to OWS? Does anyone seriously believe that if fuller questions were asked highlighting the revolutionary,anarchist and socialist ideologies that are very well represented at many of the “occupation” sites the fav’s would ring high?

    Alfie, be quiet (quietly smashes Alfie’s toe). You don’t want to invoke logic, reason or rationale on the troops here, and even if you do, they won’t understand it anyway. You’re basically left with the Left here of Hear no Evil, Speak no Evil, See no Evil – more aptly, the Three Stooges. They aren’t getting the message out loud enough.

    They told you Conservatism was dead in 2008, the Tea Party irrelevant and ‘teabaggers’ in 2009 (yuck yuck), and the election wouldn’t swing much in 2010, – remember, Obama’s poll numbers reflected Reagan’s poll numbers. All is well, Time Magazine is right, and the New York Times polls accurate. America loves OWS.
    :wink:

  • 324. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Ahhh Tex you’re back. How was your weekend kind sir?

  • 325. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    “America loves OWS.”

    Yep. Makes me want to poop on something.

  • 326. Alfie  |  October 18, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Tigre that is from the previously cited Time poll.

    Rutherford I see you had a Big Gulp™ of the Kool Aid if you can say with a straight face:

    I think the question is worded perfectly because it captures the nature of OWS. All this talk of anarchy and socialism is a distraction from the broader issue for why they are there.

    The question captured what OWS is really about. If it had been worded with all those buzzwords thrown in (anarchists, socialists, etc.) the question would no longer have been politically neutral.

    Rutherford the nature of OWS is arguably intimately linked with those “buzzwords”.

  • 327. Tex Taylor  |  October 18, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    Ahhh Tex you’re back. How was your weekend kind sir?

    Very nice – mom was home and we had a great weekend. Thank you for asking.

    Got some good news and some bad news.

    My little pup has severe hip dysplasia. I had always suspected something not quite right. Makes me very sad, as this guy is about as sweet as they come and smart as a whip. Like my boy who died tragically last year, Mickey adopted us. Unlike Sammy, Mick is not completely healthy. Cost me $315 in medication yesterday. Sometime soon, daddy had better go seeking employment, or daddy is going to be sharing dog food with Mick.

    We think Mick is a lab/shepherd mix – both susceptible to dysplasia which probably has led to the pronounced genetic symptoms. Makes me sick – he’s already limping and arthritic and only nine months old. They estimate with expensive treatment 5-6 years, if we are lucky.

    The good news is that my medical school daughter was offered a full scholarship, or 90% of the tuition paid anyway. We aren’t even sure why – she’s obviously smart, but so is everybody else in med school. She received an email yesterday telling her she’d been elected as candidate from some rich philanthropic fund, offering her $15K a year. Yeah!!!

    That’s good – because her parents are starting to feel like they are in the poor house. Somebody is going to have to take care of us in old age.

    Moved some more 401k money to cash today. I’m now 80% out of the stock market – so it should shoot up any day now to about 15000, if trends hold.

    You probably ought to dump everything you got in the riskiest fund “R”, now that I’m practically out. :smile:

  • 328. Rutherford  |  October 18, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Sorry to hear about your dog Tex. I thought the fella was a pain in your ass when you first brought him home but I guess he’s worn on you by now. Do what you can afford to for him. It’s so hard with pets cos they can’t talk to you and you can’t make them understand that you care .. maybe the petting is enough?

    As for your daughter, congrats. Sure hope that fund wasn’t funded by liberal philanthropists. Wouldn’t want daughter paying for school with dirty money. ;-)

  • 329. Raji  |  October 18, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Tex
    So sorry to hear about your puppy. I know you have a medical background so I’m not sure if you are open to holistic approaches in treatment. Acupuncture and physical therapy are very effective in animals as they treat the whole dog not just the diseased area. Many vets now incorporate acupuncture in their practices. Swimming is great rehab. Animals also handle pain in a way that humans do not and do not always need the pain medication that we think they should have. Stem cell therapy is also having some great results along with shock wave treatment. Just some alternate suggestions.

  • 331. poolman  |  October 18, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Bummer with your dog’s situation, Tex. That’s the one that recently chewed his way into your heart, right? This kind of stuff is just so much more common nowadays, it seems. That’s really too bad.

    I’ve known cases of animals being healed, along with some miraculous recoveries. God and faith on the same page can often produce supernatural results. But those instances are subject to His timing and strictly to bring Him glory. We just need to risk.

    Maybe “attending sick dog” is the more important life lesson at this stretch of the journey. Or it could be the familiar “money vs value of life” test once again. Whatever it is, I don’t want to be the back seat driver and I’m obviously not your navigator, so check in with Numero Uno for instruction. I’ll add Mickey to my prayer list. He’ll be the first nonhuman on it, though, in retrospect, some of the characters listed are questionable. :grin:

  • 332. Tex Taylor  |  October 18, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Thank you guys. We are treating Mickey with conventional means, and if you knew me, you know I would spend my last dime on my kids and my pets. I love them all dearly.

    I’ve decided to give the old college try next year in returning to work and currently, money is not an issue – though at $315 a pop for conventional treatment, it’s practically like buying another home. :sad:

    I will give consideration to your suggestion Raji if this outrageously expensive medication doesn’t appear to make my Mick more comfortable. It already appears to be working to a degree as I had to scold him for running across the backyard. We walk twice a day.

    Like every one of my dogs, Mick is a pain in the butt, but he is a much loved pain in the butt. Being I am here so often by myself, that I become quite close to my pet(s). In fact, I like them better than I do 99% of people. :smile:

  • 333. Raji  |  October 18, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Tex
    May I ask what the medication is? I have to agree I communicate much better with my animals than most humans ;-)

  • 334. El Tigre  |  October 18, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    R, Gallup shows that most don’t know what OWS is going at, yet time says only 23% don’t know enough to have an opinion. This doesn’t sound to me like certainty in the so-called opinions you rely on.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/150164/Americans-Uncertain-Occupy-Wall-Street-Goals.aspx

  • 335. Tex Taylor  |  October 18, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    Raji,

    Rimadyl and Canine NIH Glucosamine/Chondroitin. I should have stipulated there is a 90 day supply of the Rimadyl – hence the cost.

  • 336. huckingfypocrites  |  October 18, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    I normally don’t watch early primary debates, and tonight’s is no exception. But I have seen a couple clips, and I must say….from what I have seen, Mitt handles attacks pretty well.

    I think Obama would find him to be a greater debate challenge than McCain was. ;)

  • 337. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 2:06 am

    Huck, Mitt 2011 is definitely a better debater than McCain 2007.

  • 338. thorsaurus  |  October 19, 2011 at 2:58 am

    “Rimadyl and Canine NIH Glucosamine/Chondroitin” – Tex

    Sorry about your pup, Tex. Crappy deal. When my blue heeler was having liver problems, we were able to find the same supplements that the vet was prescribing (at his suggestion) at a GNC for about half the price. I don’t know about the Rimadyl but I’m sure you’ll find the Glucosamine/Chondroitin at any supplement or natural food store. Best of luck.

  • 339. thorsaurus  |  October 19, 2011 at 3:13 am

    @ 290 Thanks R. I feel better about myself already. :) I never made the connection before to “Midnight Rider”. Dickey Betts, man, they broke the mold with that guy.

  • 340. Tex Taylor  |  October 19, 2011 at 7:31 am

    Sorry about your pup, Tex. Crappy deal. When my blue heeler was having liver problems, we were able to find the same supplements that the vet was prescribing (at his suggestion) at a GNC for about half the price.

    Yeah, no doubt. I really like this Vet, but I think because people are squeezed anymore, which means Vets are squeezed, they really push the meds to make a buck. I used to give my labs before they died glucosamine chondroitin straight from the WalGreen’s bottle, wrapped in a piece of bread. Probably should be taking it myself, as my knees are starting to give me a little trouble.

    The Rimadyl is prescription.

  • 341. an800lbgorilla  |  October 19, 2011 at 8:59 am

    R, for your viewing pleasure…

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/150164/Americans-Uncertain-Occupy-Wall-Street-Goals.aspx

  • 342. Tex Taylor  |  October 19, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Gorilla,

    I just think God has a wonderful sense of humor, being I read they are having all kinds of problems with theft in NYC/OWS – kind of a liberal share the wealth.

    And I suppose this should make all the radical progs happy now. They got the redistribution they were looking for. :grin:

  • 343. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Thanks for the Gallup poll G. Not too surprised by the results. A whole heap of people are not following it closely. The Dem/GOP split in support is totally predictable. The lack of understanding of goals also understandable as the movement is not focused.

    Most interestingly the results parallel those of the Tea Party. :-)

  • 344. El Tigre  |  October 19, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Yeah G. Thanks for the Gallup poll. It’s the same one I posted at 334. :roll:

    “Most interestingly the results parallel those of the Tea Party.”

    That can’t be true. TP is a known quantity. I think Gallup cuts against your time poll on the issues we discussed.

    Thanks for ignoring my comment. :lol: Still pissed I referred a science question to Tex?

  • 345. El Tigre  |  October 19, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Tex, another “I ain’t shittn’ you.”

    There’s been some blow back from the homeless and panhandlers in downtown Atlanta because of the Occupy whatever movement. They say it’s forcing people with money in the other direction and competing with them for handouts.

    Now ain’t that a bitch? :lol:

  • 346. an800lbgorilla  |  October 19, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Sorry Tigre. I didn’t see your comment.

    Doh!!!

  • 347. El Tigre  |  October 19, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Just funnin’ ya.

  • 348. Tex Taylor  |  October 19, 2011 at 10:37 am

    They say it’s forcing people with money in the other direction and competing with them for handouts.

    Poetic justice, of a sort. :twisted: ACORN may have to offer more than free smoke and drink in 2012 to bus them into the voting booth.

    I think there will be some great lessons to come out of OWS.

    (1) What not to be
    (2) The cold, harsh reality of living on the street for a bunch of worthless trust fund kids turned meandering dopers
    (3) What the heart of the real Dimocratic party looks like – socialist and communist pinko progs, Sodom types, degenerates, freaks
    (4) How debased the Dimocratic party has become – it’s so obvious
    (5) How pathetic the Dimocratic leadership is – if there should have ever been doubt.

    Krauthammer and I are on the same page about this next election. The only way Obama can win is to demonize the opponent – and this election will be the absolute nastiest on record. No doubt there will be some strife, unrest and some rioting. Looking at OWS, you see a smattering of your political opponent – filthy, rudderless and raunchy, abject stupidity, zero class, negative societal worth. This is the bottom of the American pyramid – with a wide base.

    Obama’s record is absolutely dismal, stunning failure, and his 2008 campaign promises a punch line. The man is nothing if not frighteningly dishonest – mixed in with Obama’s malignant narcissism, no telling what is coming down the pike. The Obama couple are trash – from the breakfast lottery to charging $10K for a picture with Ugly Michelle. They are putrid and classless.

    Though I’m not much of a Mitt Romney fan, I do believe in the Bill Buckley creed of electing the most electable candidate that might trend conservative. It would appear at this minute to be Romney.

  • 349. Raji  |  October 19, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Tex
    Other conventional treatments to consider if you can afford them are Previcox and Adequan injections which you can give yourself.

    One of the best sources of Glucosamine HCI on the market is
    The Missing Link®Canine Plus™ Formula
    (ps: it’s human grade so you can take it)

    Good Luck

  • 350. Tex Taylor  |  October 19, 2011 at 10:54 am

    I have used Adequan on my labs – and it is very effective in relieving symptoms Raji. Probably the best thing I found.

    My concern about IM adequan, is that there are some studies indicating it stresses both renal and hepatic functions. But if comes down to euthanasia, or stressing the kidneys, you know what I’ll choose.

    Thank you for the heads up on Missing Link®Canine Plus™ Formula. Surely I can find a cheaper substitute then what the Vet sent me home with.

  • 351. an800lbgorilla  |  October 19, 2011 at 11:14 am

    All the choices we’ve made have been the right ones…

    Ahem, me thinks not. Not even close.

  • 352. an800lbgorilla  |  October 19, 2011 at 11:28 am

  • 353. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Tigre, for once an innocent oversight on my part. Didn’t see your Gallup comment until you slapped me. Sorry.

    I don’t think this cuts against the Time poll at all. Our discussion of the Time poll centered around fav/unfav. We weren’t discussing uncertainty. I don’t find the uncertainty finding in the Gallup poll at all surprising.

  • 354. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 11:37 am

    There’s been some blow back from the homeless and panhandlers in downtown Atlanta because of the Occupy whatever movement. They say it’s forcing people with money in the other direction and competing with them for handouts.

    LOL …. that is funny actually. That’s a factor I really don’t think the OWS crowd gave much thought to.

  • 355. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 11:46 am

    G, nice video of Poolman. Didn’t know he wrote ditties so well. :-)

  • 356. an800lbgorilla  |  October 19, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    This quintessentially sums up the differences between the GOP and the Dems…

    (Floor Action)Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Wednesday said Congress needs to worry about government jobs more than private sector jobs, and that this is why Senate Democrats are pushing a bill aimed at shoring up teachers and first responders.
    “It’s very clear that private sector jobs have been doing just fine, it’s the public sector jobs where we’ve lost huge numbers, and that’s what this legislation is all about,” Reid said on the Senate floor….

    Reid reiterated his emphasis on creating government jobs by saying Democrats are looking to “put hundreds of thousands of people back to work teaching children, have more police patrolling our streets, fire fighters fighting our fires, doing the rescue work that they do so well… that’s our priority.” He said Republicans are calling the bill a “failure” because they are “using a different benchmark for success than we are.”

  • 357. El Tigre  |  October 19, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    “We weren’t discussing uncertainty. I don’t find the uncertainty finding in the Gallup poll at all surprising”

    Yes we were. But you are correct, it’s not surprising.

    The issue was what does the term “favorable opinion” mean (compared to TP). I referred to sympathy — but in any event, “favorable doesn’t mean anything if you don;t know what the OWS is now does it? And incidentally, the TIME poll had a different percentage of those that were knowledgeable.

  • 358. huckingfypocrites  |  October 19, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    The difference between the Tea Party and OWS is that the Tea Party is doing something to try and change the system from within. They mobilize and support candidates that back their agenda…and some of them have been elected. They put themselves into the political arena.

    OWS doesn’t seem interested in doing anything to change the system….they just want it to change. They aren’t looking to mobilize voters. They aren’t looking to enter the political system. Yet, they seem to think they can prompt change within it.

    I would say that they will fail…but you actually have to have goals in order to fail.

  • 359. El Tigre  |  October 19, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    I can’t believe we’ve made to almost 1:00 EST without any comments on the debates.

    Come on!

    “I’ll bump [polls] with you, Brotha!” Priceless. :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Perry’s gone.

  • 360. an800lbgorilla  |  October 19, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    I actually think Perry breathed life into his campaign with his performance last night. He had energy and I think he hurt Romney.

    It boils down to Romney and who the non-Romney is. Cain doesn’t have the institution or cash to really do anything, so I think people are actually waiting to see what Perry does.

  • 361. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    G, wouldn’t you agree government has more influence over creating government jobs than private sector? I don’t see what is so profound about this.

    Despite GOP claims to the contrary, you can lower taxes and deregulate until the cows come home and it won’t force private businesses to hire. The new modus operandi is to make the most money with the least/cheapest people. I’m not sure what government can do to change that. :-(

  • 362. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Tigre, I actually find it refreshing to see people say “I don’t know” for a change. So many polls I believe have a huge margin of error because of ill informed opinions.

  • 363. huckingfypocrites  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    “I can’t believe we’ve made to almost 1:00 EST without any comments on the debates.”

    #336 and #337

    “…and it won’t force private businesses to hire.”

    This shows that you still don’t get it.

    Republicans don’t want to “force” businesses to do things. That’s the game you guys play. When talking about the GOP, the proper word is “encourage.”

  • 364. an800lbgorilla  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Despite GOP claims to the contrary, you can lower taxes and deregulate until the cows come home and it won’t force private businesses to hire. The new modus operandi is to make the most money with the least/cheapest people. I’m not sure what government can do to change that.” – R

    No, but the exact opposite- over regulation and higher taxes- will force business to not hire. Hmmmmm, how novel.

    Explain this R, how do government jobs help the economy?

  • 365. El Tigre  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    “Tigre, I actually find it refreshing to see people say “I don’t know” for a change. So many polls I believe have a huge margin of error because of ill informed opinions.”

    That was one of my points yesterday.

    Glad that sandwich and a goods night sleep helped you to come around!

  • 366. El Tigre  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    G, I thought Perry’s defensiveness made him gratuitously abrasive, petty in his criticism and ineffective. I really thought Romney got the better of him and looked more presidential (like someone that you’d cast as the president in a disaster film “presidential”).

    Interesting how different people judge these things differently.

  • 367. an800lbgorilla  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    I’m opperating on the notion that the GOP is looking for the non-Romney, so it isn’t so much about how Romney is, but how the others react. I think Perry just showing some life makes a difference.

    I guess we’ll see…

  • 368. El Tigre  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    “ Despite GOP claims to the contrary, you can lower taxes and deregulate until the cows come home and it won’t force private businesses to hire. The new modus operandi is to make the most money with the least/cheapest people. I’m not sure what government can do to change that.” – R

    Damn that’s ignorant R.

    Have you got enough time on your hands to pick up a book on economics?

  • 369. El Tigre  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    Huck, damn Brotha — that was last night!

    “G, wouldn’t you agree government has more influence over creating government jobs than private sector?”

    Really? Really?

    Not if can;t afford those jobs because of say. . . a shrinking tax base and unsustainable debt structure.

    But there again, I guess all jobs were government Jobs in the Thunderdome. :roll:

  • 370. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    Cain doesn’t have the institution or cash or policies to really do anything

    G, I corrected it for you.

    Tigre, funny you should remark on the lack of debate discussion. I was just wondering myself how many of you guys for all your opinions about politics actually bother to watch your potential nominees in action. Or do you guys just vote on gut regardless of what mindless blather any one of them has to say?

    So Tigre, you obviously watched it. Here’s my take:

    Santorum — really came out swinging against Romney. His “America built on family” meme is getting old. It’s also just a dog whistle for “let’s all hate gays”.

    Paul — He NEVER disappoints. Although this addict of the “nanny state” fears a Ron Paul world in which it’s each man for himself, I still think he makes the most sense of anyone on the stage. Just the fact he’s willing to point out the bi-partisan mistakes we’ve made when no one else is, gives me a big kick. Damn shame the mofo is a racist. ;-)

    Bachmann — I found her attack on 9-9-9 pretty damn effective. She’s still a nit-wit. Telling one debate audience people should get to keep ALL their money and then telling another debate audience that everyone should pay taxes (even just a dollar). Which is it, Michele?

    Gingrich — Newt is there for mental masturbation, plain and simple. Romney snagged his ass when he said that Newt and the organization he belongs to championed Romney-care. Newt claimed it wasn’t true and then had to back down. I’m also tired of Newt getting angry at the press for stoking divisiveness among the debaters … it’s a debate Newt, not a kumbaya session. In a debate, Reagan’s 11th commandment is null and void.

    Perry — His new meme is “my energy policy will solve everything”. Intellectually bankrupt. He managed to stay awake through the whole debate and IMHO managed to make no major blunders. His attack on Romney was very personal. When Romney touched his shoulder, I was surprised Perry didn’t’ haul off and punch him right then and there. I don’t think Rick elevated his status much last night but at least he won’t sink lower.

    Romney — he won this debate too. He is unflappable while being barraged with attacks. I do get a bit of a used car salesman feel from him. I haven’t read his 59 point plan yet but I do appreciate that he says our problems are not simple and the solution must be multifaceted.

    Cain — Here is the bottom line on Herman. He is likeable as hell and he isn’t a politician. The crowd clearly loves him. I fear the GOP will have another Sarah Palin moment and nominate this man despite his having not one good idea. Newt was right … Cain should be given credit for championing radical change when every one else has non-specific motherhood and apple pie solutions. BUT (and Newt says this too), the 9-9-9 just doesn’t work. How can you say that residents in a state with no sales tax will not see a tax hike when you impose a national sales tax? Also his claim that hidden taxes will disappear doesn’t survive scrutiny either. Romney’s retort about the “apples and oranges” hit the nail right on the head. It doesn’t sound as snappy, but Herman would have been better off with a 9-9 plan and leave the sales tax on the cutting room floor.

    Cain can’t decide whether or not to electrify the “fence”. Cain obviously has no interest in foreign affairs. Doesn’t know what a neo-con is. The list goes on and on. YET you can’t help but like the guy. If he keeps his current position in the polls, it will truly be a measure of “Romney-hate”.

    Huntsman — the final nail in his coffin was boycotting this debate. A very dumb move. He is apparently using the Giuliani strategy except instead of putting all his chips on Florida, he’s putting them on New Hampshire. Sad turn of events. The man with the best resume stands no chance. I think he’ll drop out by January 1.

  • 371. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Explain this R, how do government jobs help the economy?

    Elementary my dear Watson. Employed folks do three things: save money, pay down debt and buy sh*t. When they buy sh*t it helps the economy. The money earned in a gov job isn’t any less green than the money earned in the private sector.

    The push right now is JOB JOBS JOBS and maybe to make it clearer to some it should be ANY JOBS, ANY JOBS, ANY JOBS. We want people employed. Period.

  • 372. El Tigre  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    “When Romney touched his shoulder, I was surprised Perry didn’t’ haul off and punch him right then and there”

    I leaned forward waiting for it too. :lol: That was brazen and deliberate. I actually like Romney for testing Perry with the touch.

    I agree, Rick didn’t elevate his status much last night, but I think he was required to. That’s why think it was a stinker for him.

    Cain is likable. People I think admire his business experience and apparent acumen. I don;t know about 9-9-9 but there is no such thing as a “9-9″ because it has to have the sales tax component to be a replacement to the flawed federal income tax structure we have now. He’d might make a good running mate.

    The rest no longer count.

    Huntsman’s still a pussy. Plus MSNBC endorsed him (knowing they ca’;t bolster their pathetic charlatan, Obama).

    I’ll reluctantly vote for Romney. After last night, I’m sure he’s the one.

  • 373. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Tigre …. I agree 100% that Romney is straight out of central casting … even more than Reagan.

  • 374. Tex Taylor  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    I always love Rutherford’s take on Republican debates.

    We could have had Lincoln up there and Rutherford would have claimed mental masturbation and know nothingness. Probably the least perceptive, least objective serious lib I know when it comes to judging Republicans. A complete imbecile in that regard. Rutherford is still trying to hustle some lameass like Huntsman for the “Flawless Zero” to run against. I think he suspects what is coming.

    But Rutherford has the commies, the pinkos, the dregs down pat. When this OWS bunch of degenerates blows up in his face, I will be unmerciful. :smile: And just sure as the world, it’s coming.

    It’s the best entertainment I’ve had since before the mid-terms when everyone could see the beatdown coming but Brotha “R”.

  • 375. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Have you got enough time on your hands to pick up a book on economics?

    Don’t need no damn book. All I need is to observe corporate behavior. Tells me everything I need to know.

  • 376. huckingfypocrites  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    “Or do you guys just vote on gut regardless of what mindless blather any one of them has to say?”

    3 years of broken promises from Obama haven’t taught you what a politicians pre-election words are worth?

  • 377. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    By the way, G pardon me if I only answer your questions over here. Don’t feel like duplicating the discussion over at your place.

  • 378. El Tigre  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    R, Tex is right. You do have a knack for hitching your wagon to the wrong horse. You should run away from your love affair with the OWS as the substitute validation for your socialist/pussy/whiner agenda now that Obama has been exposed. You got it all wrong.

  • 379. Tex Taylor  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    The push right now is JOB JOBS JOBS and maybe to make it clearer to some it should be ANY JOBS, ANY JOBS, ANY JOBS. We want people employed. Period

    Still hasn’t figured out one cancels out the other…and generally pays a lot more and gets a lot less in return, so it’s a accumulative negative for the general economy. Just like a lib.

    We don’t need public sector jobs paid for by private sector money. We need private sector GROWTH, which leads to more JOBS JOBS JOBS for the macro economy.

    Let me ask a question to you Rutherford that even a lib might be able to figure out.

    Employed folks do three things: save money, pay down debt and buy sh*t. When they buy sh*t it helps the economy. The money earned in a gov job isn’t any less green than the money earned in the private sector.

    If you are correct (you’re completely wrong), why isn’t Greece kicking ass and taking names then? If a job, is a job, is a job, paid for and financed by government outlay, Greece ought to be leading the world then, should it not?

  • 380. El Tigre  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    “Don’t need no damn book. All I need is to observe corporate behavior. Tells me everything I need to know.”

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What does watching “government behaviour” tell you?

    (I hope that was a joke R)

  • 381. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Tex, I gather you didn’t watch the debate or you could have offered a more substantive retort.

    Not a person on that stage was fit to shine Lincoln’s shoes.

  • 382. Tex Taylor  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    Tigre,

    Rutherford doesn’t hitch a horse to cart. Rutherford is so upside down and ass backwards, he puts the cart before the horse, and then bangs a drum expecting the horse to push the cart. :lol:

  • 383. an800lbgorilla  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    R, government is a net drag on the economy. Period.

    It doesn’t produce anything, it consumes.

    Yeah, government employees buy stuff and that money goes into the economy. But for an employee making $100,000/year, it actually costs the government $100,000+ to employ them. Pension costs, medical, COLA, etc. My guess is, and this is anecdotal, is that it costs the government at least half-again as much as they pay, i.e. a $100,000 employee costs the government ~$150,000.

    Where does that $150,000 come from? You and me in the form of taxes. That is the governments only form of income- taking money from you and me to pay an employee who produces nothing.

    This isn’t to say there is no need for government employees- there certainly is- but it says that the more drag government puts on the economy, the more it strangles the private sector. You may not realize it, but you got laid off partially because of the size and breadth of government.

    How’s that working out for you?

  • 384. Tex Taylor  |  October 19, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    Not a person on that stage was fit to shine Lincoln’s shoes.

    Strange. Every time I listen to Obama on cue, I think to myself, “We’d be a lot better off if Obama were shining shoes.”

  • 385. huckingfypocrites  |  October 19, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    RACIST DOG WHISTLE!!!!!1111

  • 386. huckingfypocrites  |  October 19, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    That was a joke btw…

  • 387. El Tigre  |  October 19, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Huck, I think that’s for R or Obama to decide.

  • 388. thorsaurus  |  October 19, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    “The issue was what does the term “favorable opinion” mean (compared to TP). I referred to sympathy — but in any event, “favorable doesn’t mean anything if you don;t know what the OWS is now does it?” – ET

    You mean you have to actually know something about an issue to comment on it? Careful Galileo, the blogging world will lock you in the tower for that one. :)

  • 389. poolman  |  October 19, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Yeah, take those government jobs and privatize them. Your costs to taxpayers just went up, big time. Not only the employee’s salary, insurance, pension, etc. you cite, but add to job slot the private company’s profit and overhead.

    Oh yeah, and relinquish any control over that “employee”.

    Yeah, that’s the ticket. Look how efficient the Pentagon is. :roll:

  • 390. El Tigre  |  October 19, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    R, Gore is a Haaaarvard Grad too, isn’t he?

    Seems Obama and you guys had the same economics professors.

    Of Olbermann’s show (46k audience):

    Al Gore, Current’s chairman and co-founder, is also whistling a symphony past this particular graveyard. He told Crain’s New York: “We’re going to be creating a lot of jobs for people who are not afraid to speak truth to power.” We can only hope this isn’t the former vice president’s solution to the unemployment problem.

    I guess there next plan would be to really grow the company by paying what few employees it has with food stamps. :lol: :lol:

    http://www.bnet.com/blog/sports-entertainment/keith-olbermann-paid-10-million-to-lose-viewers/1680

  • 391. El Tigre  |  October 19, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    “You mean you have to actually know something about an issue to comment on it?”

    The irony of that statement coming from you Thorazine is downright metaphysical. :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • 392. thorsaurus  |  October 19, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    “Explain this R, how do government jobs help the economy?”

    Teachers help the economy. I hear small business owners complain about not being able to find skilled workers much more than about regulations.

  • 393. thorsaurus  |  October 19, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    “Americans paying attention to the news about the Occupy Wall Street movement are more inclined to have an opinion about the way the protests are being conducted, and are somewhat more likely to approve than disapprove of those methods.” – Gallup

    The more people know, the more they like. Better show the debunked “OWS crapping on cop car” video again.

    I didn’t see the debate, did any OWS questions get floated?

  • 394. Alfie  |  October 19, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    Romney won.
    As for public jobs. Complete fallacy from PM and thor.
    First off some public regulation and expenditure is far different from bureaucratic control.
    For example roads are overwhelmingly NOT public. Publicly financed but privately constructed.It is ultimately the private sector that goes forth and impacts the economy.
    Look at the post office and compare it to the competitive nature of the privatized and joint project post offices of Europe.
    As for thors comment it can be said more fully that our teachers are failing to teach what our employers need hence the lack of skilled workers. The American Public Education System SUCKS as does the American psyche regards educational value and self worth etc etc.

  • 395. El Tigre  |  October 19, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    “The more people know, the more they like. Better show the debunked “OWS crapping on cop car” video again.”

    Thor, you really are the gift that just keeps giving.

  • 396. Tex Taylor  |  October 19, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    Yeah, take those government jobs and privatize ELIMINATE them.

    FIFY

    HUD, Dept. of Transportation, Dept. of Energy, Dept. of Education, 80% of Homeland Security.

    For starters. :wink:

  • 397. Tex Taylor  |  October 19, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    Thorazine,

    You OWS guys aren’t getting your message out strong enough. You need to pick up some bricks, yell a little louder, and stomp on some more American flags before the camera. Obama would be with you.

    A little more Zionist, Neocon hating wouldn’t hurt either. :wink:

  • 398. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    3 years of broken promises from Obama haven’t taught you what a politicians pre-election words are worth?

    Well yes and no. I still think the debates help you take the measure of a man. Plus, sometimes you actually get concrete ideas to chew over. That’s the plus and the minus for Cain.

  • 399. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    Rutherford is so upside down and ass backwards, he puts the cart before the horse, and then bangs a drum expecting the horse to push the cart.

    Insulting though it may be, that WAS funny. :lol:

  • 400. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    G says gov employees produce nothing. Let’s define nothing. The case of gov employment cited earlier in the thread was fire fighters and teachers. Are you telling me neither is essential? Do they produce anything in a manufacturing sense? No. But their services are essential.

    I might agree with you G if we were really just talking gov bureaucrats pushing paper, but those were not the examples cited earlier in the thread.

  • 401. thorsaurus  |  October 19, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    “The irony of that statement coming from you Thorazine is downright metaphysical” – ET

    I thought you might enjoy that. Consider it reparations (uber dog whistle) for all the times I’ve been such a bitch to you. :) As Olivia Newton John would say … “Let’s get physical, metaphysical …”

  • 402. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Oh ,,,, and G, any kind of employment costs the employer more than it pays the employee. Why the hell do you think the private sector works so hard not to hire Americans? They don’t want to outlay the larger salary and all the other stuff (pension plans, subsidized health care, etc,). So then you say “ah but with the government it’s our money”. Well in the private sector it’s stock holder money and consumer’s money. No where on Earth do salaries come from some magic place. They always come from you and me, either as tax payers or consumers or stockholders.

    Now are we having a deficit discussion? I think we get people to work first and then worry about paying down the deficit later.

  • 403. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    I assure you, the grocer wants to get paid. If you’re able to buy more groceries from him, he doesn’t care whether you paid with gov money or private sector money. The more you purchase, the happier he is, and the greater the odds he might hire to meet the demand.

    So yes …. I repeat … ANY job helps the economy.

  • 404. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    RACIST DOG WHISTLE!!!!!

    Naaahhhh, I didn’t say only Herman Cain was fit to shine Lincoln’s shoes. :-)

  • 405. thorsaurus  |  October 19, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    “FIFY

    HUD, Dept. of Transportation, Dept. of Energy, Dept. of Education, 80% of Homeland Security.” – Tex

    I’m with you on D of Ed and Homeland Security.

  • 406. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Better show the debunked “OWS crapping on cop car” video again.

    Thor I want to know more. I know the crapping on the flag photo was debunked but are you telling me there is something bogus about the cop car photo too????

  • 407. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    I didn’t see the debate, did any OWS questions get floated?

    Yup, Cain was asked about his suggestion that OWS folks just get a job (sha na na na, sha na na na na) since their unemployment is nobody’s fault but theirs.

    He backed off a bit and said OWS should be protesting Obama, not Wall Street,

  • 408. thorsaurus  |  October 19, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    “You OWS guys aren’t getting your message out strong enough. You need to pick up some bricks, yell a little louder” – Tex

    Tex – the early years. [On sabbatical in India] Hey Ghandhi you puss! Why don’t you stab someone? This pacifist shit ain’t getting you nowhere! :)

  • 409. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Ah but Thor, Tex thinks the OWS crowd is anything but Gandhi. He fully expects them to explode any minute now.

  • 410. thorsaurus  |  October 19, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    “Thor I want to know more. I know the crapping on the flag photo was debunked but are you telling me there is something bogus about the cop car photo too????” -R

    Sorry R. That was @ your 125 and BIW’s lame 131. I was thinking it was the car one not the flag. But unlike some around here, I can admit I made a mistake. With OWS crapping on practically every street corner in America, it’s hard to keep track. So much defecation, so little time … :)

  • 411. Alfie  |  October 19, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    Rutherford I don’t think the grocer cares but I don’t think he wants to pay more in taxes so as to employ do nothings. I also KNOW he doesn’t want the extra insurance,comp and reg costs.

  • 412. Alfie  |  October 19, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Oh c’mon pro-OWS guys. Do you all really believe the OWS is as focused as Gandhi was?

    Now are we having a deficit discussion? I think we get people to work first and then worry about paying down the deficit later.
    Wrong!

  • 413. Rutherford  |  October 19, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Alfie why wrong? You wanna add a covered porch to your house but the house is on fire. You put out the fire first and then worry about the covered porch.

    I assure you, the average American could care less about the deficit. They want to put food on the table.

  • 414. Alfie  |  October 19, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    I assure you, the average American could care less about the deficit. They want to put food on the table.
    Well no matter how many oversimplified metaphors you want to toss out the truth is omnipotent.
    The truth here being the average American doesn’t have a freaking clue about the deficit,how to solve it and what it takes.

  • 415. poolman  |  October 19, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    For example roads are overwhelmingly NOT public. Publicly financed but privately constructed.It is ultimately the private sector that goes forth and impacts the economy.

    Roads? Not public? Go stand naked in the middle of one and see what happens. As for their part in the over all economy…

    That IS a good economic example. A genuine product of big oil. These road crews are busy everywhere. There isn’t a street around my town that isn’t being torn up or resurfaced. These guys are busy, busy, busy. Tar baby, tar. :wink: Paint it aaaawlllll black.

    But I have to ask, how much of this is really necessary? I mean it seems a little overkill and almost like busywork most of the time.

    Of course, it’s much more than just roads. These are our business life lines. Capitalists cannot get your dime if it can’t get to your front door. The internet has not eliminated that. And then there’s the entire automotive industry…

    Some neighborhoods seem to get more “road” attention, whereas others seem to be constantly overlooked. Who decides where roads go and ultimately that tax money goes? Arbitrary decision? Want your storefront seen? Highway shovel ready stuff is primarily what made the stimulus pass.

    I remember a new road going in and just after all the paving was complete they came back, saw-cut and trenched through the new paving to add underground fiber optic lines. A month later they are back again to replace some underground drainage piping. I guess the budget needed to be entirely used or increased. A little planning would seem in order, but what do I know? Efficient and government don’t generally seem to mesh.

    And let’s look at this government/private relationship. The DOT is huge! Each state has a huge DOT footprint. Roadwork is very big business. These guys have huge influence. Most have got cushy jobs. Policing these roadways also takes plenty of manpower and resources.

    Now to the contracts… The interstate, intrastate, county, and municipal needs related to road design and engineering, construction, striping and flow control, signage – both temporary and permanent, on-going maintenance, etc. It’s huge!

    The bigger companies have gotten even bigger, swallowing up the competitors. Those that win these bids basically are the same folks time and again. They’re the “private” business that often subcontracts out the work to other private business, and the tax money trickle down takes effect.

    Our government institutions have gotten corrupt at the top levels. These are cushy positions joined at the hip with big business.

    Then there’s the Fed. :evil:

    We’ve all witnessed the shuffling of people from government employee to private and back again. The same companies or principals get the work. It’s quid pro quo. These guys don’t represent us, they feed off us. They circumvent the laws just like they do the public. Their goal is to increase their own base. They help themselves at our expense. Transparency and accountability are dirty words to most of these folks. Honesty and integrity are not the preferred character traits.

    That is much of what OWS is protesting. These Occupy protests are not diminishing, rather increasing worldwide. The underlying message is one of injustice, whether your prophets go there or not. If you can’t see that, you aren’t honest or looking close enough.

    As always, many will exploit this movement. Others will distort its message or ridicule it. These movements will always include fringe groups, just like the TPM.

  • 416. Alfie  |  October 19, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Well don’t have a heart attack poolman but I agree with large chunks of what you are saying.
    I think you know what I mean about the roads re the economy and employment so the streaking bit is off base.
    I also agree with you that there are more extreme elements of entities such as OWS and TP that are playing roles in exploitation.
    I’ll let you recover from me agreeing with before I continue. I would like you to pick a single aspect though from a lengthy # 415 and open up a dialog if you’re game.

  • 417. poolman  |  October 19, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    The truth here being the average American doesn’t have a freaking clue about the deficit,how to solve it and what it takes.

    And whose fault IS that? And who’s paying for it? I say it is by design. Ask any of those financial gurus in the Fed how much sleep they lose over it.

  • 418. poolman  |  October 19, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    I would like you to pick a single aspect though from a lengthy # 415 and open up a dialog if you’re game.

    Sure. Let’s discuss the Fed. How do you liked being owned by a private entity?

  • 419. thorsaurus  |  October 19, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    “Ah but Thor, Tex thinks the OWS crowd is anything but Gandhi. He fully expects them to explode any minute now.” – R

    Have you been following the live feeds and the chat? The two things they seem to talk about most is how cold it is at night (Seattle esp.)and don’t resist if you get arrested. They also want anyone in official capacity (first aid, info, spokesman) to cover up any candidate affiliation. They can show support for Paul or Obama or anyone else when they’re just hanging, but when they speak for OWS they are not suppose to show any affiliation. They’re trying very hard not to be defined by outside forces. It’s very Taoist. By not allowing us to define them, we must define ourselves instead. Take for instance the candidates. Paul has spoken with them, Cain told them to blame themselves. Obama says he understands and shares their frustration. Romney, of course, has flip flopped his view.

  • 420. Tex Taylor  |  October 19, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    I noticed none of you big gov’t proponents still working under the assumption the economy is a zero sum game that creates “something” of real value didn’t take a stab at my question about Greece.

    Why ain’t Greece kicking ass boys if public sector “jobs” are the answer? Is that the common message amongst the OWS rubes?

    You guys want us to be like Greece? Well, that’s super. I can hardly wait.

  • 421. Alfie  |  October 19, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    @thor…you like way too many others misrepresent Mitt Romneys position.

  • 422. poolman  |  October 19, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    I don’t know who you talking to Willis. Ron Paul + small government.

    Let’s talk public shame…

    http://nation.foxnews.com/occupy-wall-street/2011/10/18/shame-game-nbc-newser-wants-rich-put-list

  • 423. Alfie  |  October 19, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    poolman…well I can’t say that your choice is a surprise.
    Not much to say really.
    I believe in central banking and feel the biggest culprit in the US central banking scheme is the government who created the Fed not the Fed itself. If the congress critters would do their job the fed res system would be fine.It is a rather comprehensive law/act that has shown its loopholes quite clear and its pitfalls. Yet Congress fails to act.
    So in short I believe the govt should exercise control over that aspect of treasury/economy which is why I can’t support candidates that preach elimination.

  • 424. Tex Taylor  |  October 19, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Here Rutherford and Thor. Your Woodstock – didn’t notice any naked dancing, but this should make you both climax. :smile: The dialogue of butterflies is my favorite part.

    http://angryamericano.com/2011/10/women-of-occupy-wall-street/

  • 425. Tex Taylor  |  October 19, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    I saw a few of the “Occupy Tulsa” crowd today while I ran an errand. Pretty low key – mostly lost college kids. :lol:

    I asked one, “why aren’t you marching to George Kaiser’s house? You talk about somebody that is cheating the tax system. Where’s the outrage.”

    Occupy clueless.

  • 426. Tex Taylor  |  October 19, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    I saw some suggestions for OWS slogans:

    “Stoners Need Donors!”
    “Bums Want More Crumbs!”
    “Slackers Need Financial Backers!”

    How about “Skanks Need Nice Banks!”

  • 427. Tex Taylor  |  October 19, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    “Slugs Need Free Drugs!”

  • 428. poolman  |  October 19, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    MANipulation™ of the money.

    The first OWS protest?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1907

  • 429. dead rabbit  |  October 19, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    “I asked one, “why aren’t you marching to George Kaiser’s house?” Tex

    Come on now. George Kaiser is all mine. I claimed that pelt a while ago. Don’t be unleashing those nonsensical idiots on my turf.

  • 430. dead rabbit  |  October 19, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    We need 7% to 8% growth and we need it fast.

    Any one who thinks another stimulus will get us there is nuts.

    We need to make America the most corporate friendly place on Earth and we need to do it yesterday.

  • 431. dead rabbit  |  October 19, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    “Slugs Need Free Drugs!”

    The government already provides that. Government gets millions of people high every day…..on the tax payer’s demands.

    Get 60 vikes for free, sell 30 for 4 bucks a piece….get stoned for 4 days…..eat Churches chicken and hush puppies. Repeat.

    Millions and millions and millions of people are doing exactly that.

  • 432. poolman  |  October 19, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    All we are saying, is give peace a chance.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/19/we-are-the-99-who-want-peace-harmony-and-love-on-the-planet/

  • 433. Tex Taylor  |  October 19, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Get 60 vikes for free, sell 30 for 4 bucks a piece….get stoned for 4 days…..eat Churches chicken and hush puppies. Repeat.

    :lol: Hush puppies… :lol:

    I give you Kaiser – he just lives about three miles down the road, albeit in a much nicer home. I just asked the slugs why they aren’t protesting this:

    http://reporting.sunlightfoundation.com/2011/barack-obamas-other-billionaire-how-george-kaiser-turned-oklahom/

    The man pays less in taxes than we do. Warren Buffett is a real piker next to this man.

  • 434. El Tigre  |  October 19, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    “I assure you the average American could care less about the deficit. Tehy want to put food on the table.

    And you wonder why you lose elections. :roll:

  • 435. huckingfypocrites  |  October 19, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    “I assure you, the average American could care less about the deficit. They want to put food on the table.”

    A few weeks ago you were talking about how the near failure to raise our debt limit proved the failure of our democracy and now you “could care less” about the whole thing?

  • 436. poolman  |  October 19, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    The average American has no control over our deficit and IS more concerned with putting food on the table. This is a day to day struggle for most Americans. They are willing to put up with an awful lot if they have a job and can afford to pay the bills.

    It is also criminal, imo, that we don’t have a balanced budget. Those promoting deficit spending are the warmongers. They are the ones that took us off the gold standard and got us into printing “wealth”.

    I just watched the republican debate and I feel Ron Paul clearly came out ahead. He is consistent and always on message. Perry is done and really so are the rest. Romney is the most likable and smart. He will shill, so likely will get the GOP nomination.

    Ron Paul is still being largely overlooked in the MSM. To me, he is the only real choice. My democratic friends are fearful he is too libertarian and majorly antisocialist. Too bad. We actually do need to scale way back to survive this bankster onslaught..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSlWufLbrn8&feature=relmfu

  • 437. poolman  |  October 19, 2011 at 11:29 pm

  • 438. huckingfypocrites  |  October 20, 2011 at 12:26 am

    “The average American has no control over our deficit and IS more concerned with putting food on the table.”

    “It is also criminal, imo, that we don’t have a balanced budget.”

    Sure seems funny that we have multiple folks here who are concerned about the deficit, but seem to think the “average” person isn’t.

  • 439. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 1:49 am

    A few weeks ago you were talking about how the near failure to raise our debt limit proved the failure of our democracy and now you “could care less” about the whole thing?

    In the words of Herman Cain, you’re talking apples and oranges. Raising the debt limit allowed us to pay for stuff WE ALREADY BOUGHT. It had nothing to do with creating new debt.

    And it mattered because it showed the world we didn’t care about our credit-worthiness that we would risk not being able to pay our debts.

    Deficits matter long term. Jobs matter now.

  • 440. an800lbgorilla  |  October 20, 2011 at 6:20 am

    G says gov employees produce nothing. Let’s define nothing. The case of gov employment cited earlier in the thread was fire fighters and teachers. Are you telling me neither is essential? Do they produce anything in a manufacturing sense? No. But their services are essential.

    I might agree with you G if we were really just talking gov bureaucrats pushing paper, but those were not the examples cited earlier in the thread.” – R

    Fire fighters and Police produce nothing. Neither do teachers. How many folks with a BA in History or English Lit are flipping burgers? You have a business R, tell me, is your security service contributing to your bottom line or subtracting from it? Does your virus protection software make you money or cost you money? Does insurance make you money or cost you money? The obvious answer is that these things cost money. Your problem is that you confuse production with essential. Are teachers, police and fire fighters essential? Yes, but that doesn’t mean they produce anything towards the economy.

    Are there essential elements of the federal government? Of course, but no matter how important we might find these elements to be, they still are a net negative on the economy. Now, I can site examples where there has been tangential economic benefits from government expenditure- military research that was commercialized- that expanded the economy, but the specific government portion of that was a negative. It did not benefit the economy UNTIL it left government channels and entered private industry.

  • 441. an800lbgorilla  |  October 20, 2011 at 6:39 am

    R, I congratulate you on your persistence. You never let facts get in the way of your talking points.

    Americans Prioritize Deficit Reduction as an Economic Strategy

    Americans Blame Wasteful Government Spending for Deficit

    Now, I’ll throw you a bone. Yeah, Americans are more concerned with jobs than they are with the deficit, but second to the economy and jobs is deficit spending, so to say that Americans are not paying any attention to it and don’t care is wrong.

    Concerns About Economy, Jobs Outweigh Worries About Deficit

  • 442. an800lbgorilla  |  October 20, 2011 at 7:54 am

    R, before you fill that colonoscopy bag, I think you should read this article from Anne Coulter. I know, she’s like garlic to liberals, but this article- which is pretty toned down for her- asks some pretty pithy questions about who and what the OWS movement is protesting. I honestly encourage you to read it.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46981

  • 443. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 9:16 am

    One of the things I absolutely love about Ann Coulter and would copy her style if I were as talented, is her ability to nail the absolute hypocrisy, mendacity and idiot nature of liberal mobs with good humor.

    My only bone of contention with Ms. Ann is that George Kaiser is on par with George Soros. There hasn’t been anybody more effective at gaming the tax system than Kaiser. And the more I read, the dirtier the game gets. Kaiser epitomizes what happens when the Dimocrats play their share the wealth game – the wealth gets shared by millions. But not the large Dimocratic backers – the very people who are to blame for the ills.

    Marc Rich ring any bells? Because Slick the Serial Rapist was equally adept at playing this game.

    Did I need mention Kaiser is one of Obama’s biggest supporters and chief benefactor of the Solyndra scandal? Liberals have gone deathly silent on that note.

    Rutherford? Rutherford? Rutherford?

  • 444. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Raising the debt limit allowed us to pay for stuff WE ALREADY BOUGHT. It had nothing to do with creating new debt.

    Only partially true – most of that was new debt to be incurred. Your memory fogs once again; “all” but “$500,000,000,000.00″ in fact was new debt. That’s about 20% of what was passed.

    And it mattered because it showed the world we didn’t care about our credit-worthiness that we would risk not being able to pay our debts.

    Raising the maximum on our national credit card proved that we care about our credit worthiness, hey? If by chance you are ever forced into bankruptcy and the merits are debated in court, tell the bankruptcy judge that you have increased your maximum VISA limit to improve your credit worthiness, and see how many points you score with that logic. :roll:

    Frankly Rutherford, you are not only confused but poorly informed.

    Deficits matter long term. Jobs matter now.

    Then why not tell Bernacke to simply print enough money to give every family in America $100K? That would more than cover the needs of most families in America for at least two years and we could Spend Spend Spend!

    Deficits might not matter if and only if we were producing something returns something of more value to the shareholder – in this case, the shareholder being the tax payer. It’s called rate of return. That’s why Reagan’s deficit spending worked. Yes, we incurred a quarter of the debt that Obama has already accrued under Reagan. But Reagan’s economy also created $17 trillion of additional net worth over eight years. Obama’s economy has been static at best and has done little or nothing to increase the size of the pie.

    I don’t expect you to understand that either.

  • 445. an800lbgorilla  |  October 20, 2011 at 10:19 am

    As a result, Obama has brought in more money from employees of banks, hedge funds and other financial service companies than all of the GOP candidates combined, according to a Washington Post analysis of contribution data. The numbers show that Obama retains a persistent reservoir of support among Democratic financiers who have backed him since he was an underdog presidential candidate four years ago.

    So R, I’m interested in your take on this. How ethical is it to demonize Wall Street while begging for Wall Street cash?

  • 446. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Tex @ 444, “damn skippy!”

    You’ve heard it before Rutherford, and you should pay attention to your resident Miss Cleo. Unhitch that wagon You’re going to look the fool trying to vindicate yourself with this nonsense. Seriously.

  • 447. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2011 at 10:36 am

    “If by chance you are ever forced into bankruptcy and the merits are debated in court, tell the bankruptcy judge that you have increased your maximum VISA limit to improve your credit worthiness, and see how many points you score with that logic.”
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • 448. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 10:55 am

    You may not like Koch and Murdoch’s products — fertilizer and media fertilizer

    I corrected this sentence from Ann Coulter’s article for her. :-)

  • 449. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Liberals love mob movements because you can’t get mobs to think, which is perfect for Democratic ideas.

    Another gem from Ann’s article. Wow did she accidentally capture the nature of the early days of the Tea Party! ;-)

  • 450. huckingfypocrites  |  October 20, 2011 at 11:04 am

    “It had nothing to do with creating new debt. ”

    Neither did your comment.

    “I assure you, the average American could care less about the deficit.”

    “Deficits matter long term.”

    Yeah. Until that term is up. Then they matter immediately.

  • 451. huckingfypocrites  |  October 20, 2011 at 11:06 am

    “Wow did she accidentally capture the nature of the early days of the Tea Party!”

    Agendas require thought. And the Tea Party has had an agenda all along.

    Contrast that with OWS, which boasts that it has no agenda.

    Checkmate….

  • 452. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Oh I love the bio too … “Ann Coulter is legal affairs correspondent”. LOL too much.

    Here’s the counter-punch: Reuters criticizes Reuters for biased coverage of OWS and weak logic on connecting Soros to OWS.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/13/idUS11735271620111013

    Furthermore, the foundation of Ann’s argument falls short. She calls up all these Dem villains assuming OWS loves Dems. They don’t. They are not party affiliated and have gone to great lengths to emphasize that.

  • 453. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Still I do love Ann’s imagery of protesters walking past Hitler’s house and standing in front of OJ’s house to protest the Holocaust. LOL

  • 454. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 11:22 am

    G, thanks for the Washington Post link. I heard about this on TV this morning and wanted to find the source.

    I’ll hold my tongue … a post will follow later in the day … thanks for helping me do my research.

  • 455. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 11:24 am

    you should pay attention to your resident Miss Cleo

    LOL …. wasn’t Cleo eventually busted for fraud? :-)

  • 456. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Huck, I don’t know what chess board you’re playing on. In chess you have to be good at seeing several moves ahead but you seem to have trouble remembering the moves already made.

    The Tea Party were no more focused in their infancy than OWS is now. To say otherwise is revisionist history.

  • 457. an800lbgorilla  |  October 20, 2011 at 11:47 am

    That’s right R, just like the Tea Party…

    (Baltimore Sun) — Efforts by the Occupy Baltimore protest group to evolve into a self-contained, self-governing community have erupted into controversy with the distribution of a pamphlet that victim advocates and health workers fear discourages victims of sexual assaults from contacting police.
    The pamphlet says that members of the protest group who believe they are victims or who suspect sexual abuse “are encouraged to immediately report the incident to the Security Committee,” which will investigate and “supply the abuser with counseling resources.”
    The directive also says, in part, “Though we do not encourage the involvement of the police in our community, the survivor has every right, and the support of Occupy Baltimore, to report the abuse to the appropriate authorities.”

  • 458. an800lbgorilla  |  October 20, 2011 at 12:10 pm

  • 459. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Why would the Tea Party worry about reporting rapes? Have you seen any of those Tea Party broads? Who would touch them much less rape them? ;-)

    P.S. Just engaging in some Tex Taylor style smack talk. If attacked on this quote, I shall deny having said it. Maybe I’ll use the Herman Cain defense and say I was unsure what I was responding to. I didn’t mean that. :cool:

  • 460. an800lbgorilla  |  October 20, 2011 at 12:15 pm

  • 461. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    That’s right G … get ready to hold your nose and vote for Mitt!!!

    Bwahahahahahahahahhahaha :lol:

  • 462. an800lbgorilla  |  October 20, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Not so fast R…

  • 463. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    The simple truth is job growth in their respective states probably means next to nothing in solving our national crisis. As has been pointed out several times, with no credit going to Perry, TX is just a great place for business, partly because of the oil business. Also much of TX labor force is cheap labor.

    Notice that Rick brags about his jobs statistics but doesn’t say much about what HE did in Texas that he would apply nationally to help the country. Huntsman has bragged too but I don’t see him specifying which state tactics would help nationally. And of course, poor Romney can’t brag at all.

    As I have said before … our jobs situation will change when we see a philosophical change in the business community, including some sense of goddam patriotism to hire American workers.

  • 464. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    “LOL …. wasn’t Cleo eventually busted for fraud?”

    Doh!

  • 465. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    “Have you seen any of those Tea Party broads? Who would touch them much less rape them?”

    You haven;t seen the Flea Baggers at the OWS rallies, now have you?

  • 466. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    The Beast article on Perry’s comeback makes sense to me with the exception of point 2. Perry can only force specifics from Romney if Perry himself gets specific and I think the author is optimistic about what other policy statements might come from Perry. Besides, even though I haven’t read it, Romney has a 59 point plan. On the surface, that doesn’t sound like “cotton candy” to me.

  • 467. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    “As I have said before … our jobs situation will change when we see a philosophical change in the business community, including some sense of goddam patriotism to hire American workers.”

    Yeah. Resources that could be used to hire wouldn’t have anything to do with it.

    R, you voted for Obama. Your laugh at anyone else pass has been revoked.

  • 468. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Tigre, in defense of the “Flea Party”, it’s hard to look sexy when you haven’t bathed in 3 weeks. :-)

  • 469. poolman  |  October 20, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Agendas require thought. And the Tea Party has had an agenda all along.

    Really? A “clear” agenda? Is that the Romney, Perry, Cain, Palin, or Bachmann version? Or maybe it’s Ron Paul’s platform, since he was the original TP candidate, before the Glenn Becks, Ann Coulters, and Rush Limbaughs jumped on the bandwagon.

    All these supposed “TP” proponents do not adhere to the very same agenda. I see a vast gulf of disagreement between them. Take any issue. There are as many versions of the problem and concocted solutions as there are candidates claiming to represent the tea party.

    The only commonality is anti anything Obama.

    Or maybe it’s the David Duke agenda, since he claims how well the TPM aligns with his own long-held ideology? And his aligns with the founding fathers and primarily Thomas Jefferson himself – so he claims. His agenda is purportedly the central theme of this nation.

    Taxed Enough Already? Ron Paul claims he would get rid of the IRS, along with a lot of other bureaucratic dead weight. He is the only one consistently ON message. The rest have chameleoned up, changing their message to fit the popular polling.

    Let’s compare the TPM with the OWS movement. The first is a political and ideological camp, while the latter is more a socioeconomic protest and upheaval. It’s becoming the peace and anti-establishment movement on steroids. And it’s worldwide. A global movement. It’s forcing people to communicate with each other and see beyond the political arena to provide for common needs. This isn’t only about America, as the tea party is.

    I haven’t been made aware of any OWS protesters toting guns, like the TP protesters often did. I’m certain many have concealed weapons, though I’ve yet to see any flaunt them. Of course, that would be justification for arrest and police aggression, something these protesters have gone out of their way to avoid.

    The occupy crowd has mainly tried to disassociate itself from any particular political party or ideology, though they do have politics and our corrupt governing system in their crosshairs. They are also not looking for any corporate sponsorship, so as not to be aligned or indebted to those sponsors, compromising the message.

    The TPM is strictly aligned with US politics and government. OWS is global unrest and throwing off injustice.

    Just my 2 cents…

  • 470. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Tigre, I call BS. There are loads of talented resources looking for work. It’s just another excuse coming from businesses who are enjoying the lean approach with maximized profits.

    During my job search last year before I decided enough was enough and to just focus on my own business, do you know what I was told by a recruiter for the SAME damn job? I was told the company wouldn’t want to invest in training me and then, I sh*t you not, she told me I was overqualified. I saw my poor wife’s head explode when I told her.

    Tigre, I wouldn’t wish this on you my brother, but you need a good old fashioned layoff for those corporate rose colored glasses to be stripped off your face.

  • 471. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    Several credible reports say Gadaffi is dead.

  • 472. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    “There are loads of talented resources looking for work. ”

    R, I do’;t even know what the fuck you are talking about.

    I am talking about stimulating hiring, not the desire or talent to work you doofus.

    On this subject you are a complete simpleton.

    God, what you just said is stoooopid!

  • 473. poolman  |  October 20, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Re: Gadaffi. I wonder if he’ll get a sea or a “see” burial. :lol:

  • 474. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    “enjoying the lean approach with maximized profits”

    Really. Not growth? Or consumers to purchase products?

    You are just retarded. You really do need the government give you what you need. The world is just too complicated for you. :roll:

  • 476. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Well Poolman, unlike bin Laden, there is video (I posted) that purports to show Gadaffi’s dead body.

  • 477. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Tigre, before you go calling folks retarded, you said:

    Yeah. Resources that could be used to hire wouldn’t have anything to do with it.

    I was responding to that. If you were NOT saying that there weren’t adequate resources to fill the jobs, then I misunderstood you. Care to elaborate?

  • 478. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Really. Not growth? Or consumers to purchase products?

    Many corps are posting record profits. The only ones suffering are American workers …. doofus.

  • 479. poolman  |  October 20, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    unlike bin Laden, there is video (I posted) that purports to show Gadaffi’s dead body

    I saw that, Rutherford. Thanks. I guess that DOES makes it final and very much UNLIKE the OBL take down.

    The proof’s in the pudding. :wink: These supposedly unsophisticated Arabs seem to know better how to flaunt genuine evidence and quash any controversy.

  • 480. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    R, obviously there are people looking for work. My God.

    Now how many corps are hurting?
    Do you know who employs most Americans? (hint: it ain’t the giant corps).

    So record profits are the trend, R? Show me.

    And after your “rose colored glasses” comment you earned the Doofus crown! :lol:

  • 481. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Poolman, that video looks like John Stamos with some glued on facial hair. . .

  • 482. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    The only commonality is anti anything Obama.

    Baloney. I’m not even a Tea Party member and I can tell you what the Tea Party objectives are. There may be more, but there are at least six commonalities that have nothing to do with anti-Obama, but they may appear that way because these policies are definitely anti-Obama policy.

    Balance the Federal budget
    Flat or simplified tax and reduce taxes
    Repeal Obamacare
    Audit the Federal gov’t
    Strict Constitutionalists for SCOTUS
    Limit the growth of the Federal gov’t

    OWS is nothing more than this generation’s wannanbee SDS, Weather Underground, socialists, communists, anarchists, union goons, professional protesters, and hanger’s on with the assistance of Facebook and other social media. In the mix, are a bunch of stragglers with unknown purpose, hoping to participate in Woodstock.

    Scratch it and at its heart, OWS would bleed pure pinko, though most of the slackers participating probably aren’t even aware of that.

  • 483. poolman  |  October 20, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    My SIL was job hunting for almost 3 years, with little luck. Often he applied for everything by anyone that posted hiring ads. Many of the jobs he applied for he was told he was overqualified. Even though he was willing to work for less, often minimum wage, they still would not hire him.

    One place put him to work for 6 week “trial” period. He came in and organized their staff and provided his contacts and solutions to benefit this well-known local establishment. At the time it was highly unorganized and wasting many of its resources.

    After the 6 week “trial” period, they let him go. They had no complaints against him and thanked him for his service. It turns out they only needed him to exploit his expertise and did not want to hire him long term, thus avoiding paying his full salary and provide any benefits.

    I have known many companies resorting to hiring all part-time workers to avoid paying benefits or firing senior employees in favor of new hires that don’t cost the company as much.

    It’s brutal here in the US. I wouldn’t hire anyone in this market. Most of us small businesses are doing all we can to stretch ourselves to fill all the requirements necessary to stay solvent and not take on any new risk or expenses.

  • 484. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Many corps are posting record profits.

    Where? Record profits were generated in Oct. 2007, followed by a drop of more than 50% in the DOW in the next 18 months due to supposed unforeseen debt. What pops up next?

    US corporations are doing well because they slashed costs during the recession, laying off workers and reining in spending on capital. And much of that “record profit” is being generated by multi-national corporations overseas.

    Corporations are gun shy to hire because of the clown in charge and you can’t bring yourself to admit that fact.

    Obamacare leading to greater expenses, threats of higher taxes, demonization of corporations, the list goes on and on and on….you don’t even want to talk to small business owners about Obama’s tax policies.

    Why aren’t you treading on Obama for all of his anti-business foibles? When you do and the Bozo in charge gets a clue to what drives an economy, ditching the Keynesian crap, then I’ll cut you some slack about hiring. Until then, you ought to be asking yourself what incentive Obama has provided to hire.

  • 485. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    “It’s brutal here in the US. I wouldn’t hire anyone in this market. Most of us small businesses are doing all we can to stretch ourselves to fill all the requirements necessary to stay solvent and not take on any new risk or expenses”

    What do you mean Poolman. According to Rutherford, your making record profits from all of your downsizing and layoffs.

  • 486. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    “US corporations are doing well because they slashed costs during the recession, laying off workers and reining in spending on capital.”

    Tex, I assume you are referring to the market for proof. Of course, the small business employs most Americans is not represented through publicly traded stock on the exchange.

    I am confident that R doesn’t understand.
    It’s just “business” versus individual. :roll: .

  • 487. MuffyMcD  |  October 20, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    ‘Why would the Tea Party worry about reporting rapes? Have you seen any of those Tea Party broads? Who would touch them much less rape them?” -Rutherford

    Honestly, my reading comprehension, mediocre at its best, is for shit lately (and for good reason, but that’s another story). So what in the world prompted this, Rutherford?

    “P.S. Just engaging in some Tex Taylor style smack talk.

    Well, maybe I’m the one that needs to take my rose-colored glasses off. You’re blaming Tex for the fact that you used a real crime with a real victim to talk smack?

    Hmm. Then I’m guessing Biden’s little performance was more from the same playbook. I caught it this morning and my two thoughts at the time were, “Ugh. Biden. I probably need more protection from him than from him.” And “I wonder if I stared hard enough at the TV if I could bore a hole into that forehead of his?” Baffoon.

    No offense to baffoons. Or to large foreheads.

  • 488. MuffyMcD  |  October 20, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Oh hell. I keep mistaking Gorilla’s avater for poolman’s. Never mind Rutherford, I see what you were responding to.

    Biden’s show must have stuck with me. I was pretty disgusted.

    Still…

  • 489. thorsaurus  |  October 20, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    Durka, Durka. F*ck. I totally forgot to put Team America on my funny movies list last week. I’m surprised it wasn’t on yours, Tex. The Baldwin meltdown is classic.

  • 490. thorsaurus  |  October 20, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    “thor…you like way too many others misrepresent Mitt Romneys position”- A

    No one misrepresents Romney’s views better than … Mitt Romney.

    “the first week of October Romney was pounding the Occupy-Whatevers as “dangerous.” He was right about these anti-Semitic, anti-American protesters, too. At the same appearance Romney also said that the whole series of protests were exercises in “class warfare.”
    … now, at a townhall in Hopkinton, New Hampshire, suddenly Romney is all about “understanding” the plight of the “99 %.””
    http://rightwingnews.com/republicans/flip-flop-romney-now-accepting-occupy-wall-streeters-premise/

  • 491. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 20, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    Just like the Tea Party…NOT.

    Seriously, if this clown had interrupted my dinner, he might find himself picking a few of his tetth up off the floor.

  • 492. Alfie  |  October 20, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    Thor we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I’m obviously more pro-Mitt than others here . That said I don’t think it takes a Mitt supporter to see that the talk against class warfare and then the 99% bit isn’t a flip/flop. I also do not buy into the notion that Romney somehow is in support of the OWS folks.

  • 493. Alfie  |  October 20, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    For the pro OWS folks here. Don’t ya get a hint that this thing has run its course and missed the gold ring?

  • 494. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    followed by a drop of more than 50% in the DOW

    The DOW often has nothing to do with profits and simply reflects general investor anxiety or outright game playing.

    US corporations are doing well because they slashed costs during the recession, laying off workers

    No sh*t Sherlock … the layoffs are exactly what I’m talking about. And multi-national corps are making money not just on their overseas sales but of course on their overseas, cheap labor hiring.

    Corporations are gun shy to hire because of the clown in charge and you can’t bring yourself to admit that fact.

    Some ARE hiring. But they’re not hiring Americans. I can’t remember the company name, but one recently was ballyhooed for expansion only to discover they were opening plants in, I think, South America.

    The fact is Obama, in his recently defeated Jobs Act gave corps hiring incentives. They weren’t fantastic but they were there.

    I hate to go all Poolman on you, but maybe one reason Obama hasn’t provided enough incentive to big business is that they are paying him NOT to. They LIKE the status quo.

  • 495. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    Tex, you are an old fart and haven’t a clue about OWS.

  • 496. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Alfie,

    I become real pro Mitt (if he wins the nomination).

    In fact, his biggest fan. :wink: Goooooooo…. MITT!

  • 497. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    Tex, you are an old fart and haven’t a clue about OWS.
    :twisted:

    You got the old fart part right. But I think I understand the M.O. better than you do. Only they aren’t as clever as the Manson gang.

    I know a bunch of slack jawed dopeheads and liberal arts majors when I see them. Did you like my OWS girls video? :smile:

  • 498. Alfie  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    In relation to something I said to R in another thread…. ? for all….
    Three areas of potential super infrastructure jobs that the USA could benefit from imo are 1) updated electrical and telecom/wireless grids 2) dedicated trans national/trans regional mass transit lanes (rail,light rail,guided bus or otherwise dedicated) and 3)hydrogen and or electrification fuel infrastructure.
    Any of these have costs,regulations and NIMBYism against them but just like the interstate,western rail back in the day and say TVA could prove very impressive for US growth and health.

    So the question… Would anyone here have objections to the necessary govt. steamrolling to make one or more of these things happen?

  • 499. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    Muffy, just my luck I make a tasteless rape comment and one of the few women who hang out here comes to visit. Oh well, my mother warned me about saying stupid sh*t.

    What prompted it … no excuse just answering your question … is that earlier in the thread Gorilla told me OWS was no Tea Party because they supposedly were discouraging their members from reporting rapes to the police. And the Tea Party would never discourage its female members from reporting rapes. I thought the whole story pretty preposterous and wrote it off with a tasteless comment. My bad.

  • 500. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    I hate to go all Poolman on you, but maybe one reason Obama hasn’t provided enough incentive to big business is that they are paying him NOT to. They LIKE the status quo.

    *claps*

    Truly, in a sea of stupid, that is the biggest wave I’ve seen today.

  • 501. Alfie  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    @494..mmmmm thinking……mmm
    cough cough BOEING cough…

  • 502. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    I hate to go all Poolman on you, but maybe one reason Obama hasn’t provided enough incentive to big business is that they are paying him NOT to. They LIKE the status quo.

    Going all Poolman is right. I almost get you two confused anymore. RuPoolman.

    I’ll ask you the same question I would ask the slack jaws down at OWS. If that’s your beef, why aren’t you hammering O’Zero for nominating Jeffrey Immelt as Jobs Chairman?

    GE has received billions in subsidy and they are the very ones opening plants in China.

  • 503. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    If I were with the mob, I’d be losing patience with the #OWS clownshoes.

    Thefts, murders, rapes, extortion, vagrancy, and the sanction of the White House to do it all?

    Seriously, I’d be calling my Congressmen and telling them to get the FBI of my back and onto these snotnosed, arrogantly stupid littlle maggots.

  • 504. poolman  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    What do you mean Poolman. According to Rutherford, your making record profits from all of your downsizing and layoffs.

    I think he means corporations that deal in the world economy. Global capitalism. Mine is strictly a community (local) type business. The difference is vast. These corporations are opening new markets and exploiting new resources for personal (shareholder collective) gain. It is the ultimate capitalist model.

    Create a market, saturate it, buy up your competition, wring profit from every available resource, sell your liabilities, move on. With a global presence, there is no allegiance to any nation or state. That is what we are experiencing. These companies established themselves here but have no obligation to remain. Profit drives their mobile allegiances.

    …if the current trend keeps up, the S&P 500 companies are poised to have their most profitable quarter ever, he said.

    “Earnings are basically the only thing holding up the market at this point,” Silverblatt said. “They’re amazing numbers.”

    The prosperity of large corporations may seem surprising at a time when many indicators show profound weakness in the world’s largest economy.

    [...]But analysts say US corporations are doing well in part because they slashed costs during the recession, laying off workers and reining in spending on plants and equipment, which boosted profit margins.

    “They got lean and mean,” said Marc Pado, US market strategist for Cantor Fitzgerald.

    “Corporate America is very strong. They were preparing for a downward turn. Everybody was talking about a double-dip recession and they were bracing for that. They were holding on to cash, not hiring new workers and voiding themselves of inventory.”

    The total cash held by US non-financial corporations surged to $1.2 trillion at the end of 2010, up 11.2 percent from a year earlier, Moody’s Investors Service said in a report last week.

    One reason that companies are holding so much cash — and not spending it on investments or hiring new workers — is that they are worried about the shaky economic situation in the United States and Europe.

    “Management teams remember the rapid shutdown of the financial markets in 2008 and prefer to hold large cash balances even though the money is earning a low return,” Moody’s said.

    Another notable result from the latest round of earnings reports is that many US companies are showing their best results in fast-growing markets such as Asia and Latin America rather than at home.

    General Electric, Caterpillar and Dow Chemical were among the US corporate stalwarts which reported strong emerging market sales that helped offset slow growth in the United States in the second quarter.

    [...]With the weakness of the dollar, which makes American exports cheaper for consumers around the world, that trend is only likely to accelerate in the future, analysts say.

    “The big growth is happening outside the US, not inside the US, and you’ve seen a lot of companies increase their export sales as a percentage of the total,” said Cantor’s Pado.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/08/01/companies-near-record-profits-amid-high-unemployment/

    I would have hoped you took in the ZB clip I offered upstream. I even found it on Fox. :grin: It offers insight into the new breed of greed dominating our globe.

  • 505. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    1) updated electrical and telecom/wireless grids

    (1) Can’t speak for all states, but my home state already took the initiative with their tobacco money to do as much; plus, I understand we still have an overabundance of optic from the tech bust

    2) dedicated trans national/trans regional mass transit lanes (rail,light rail,guided bus or otherwise dedicated)

    Cost prohibitive and Amtrak. Infeasible for any state west of the Mississippi with large geographic mass, benefitting only the northeast and large metropolitan areas.

    3)hydrogen and or electrification fuel infrastructure.

    I would prefer NGL infrastructure be put in place, making natural gas feasible as motor fuel.

  • 506. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    Alfie, I’m surprised. I thought you were pretty critical of Mitt based on his time in MA.

    I’m not sure where you get the idea that OWS has run its course. Hell, the thing has gone global.

    As for class warfare, Jon Stewart did a great piece on this earlier in the week pointing out the hypocrisy in particular of Eric Cantor. When the Tea Party wants their country back (from whom? … other Americans) it’s not American vs American but when OWS voices grievances, suddenly it’s American vs American.

    That’s why a lot of you guys alternately amuse me and make me sick. Hypocrites all! :evil:

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-18-2011/scorn-in-the-u-s-a-

  • 507. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    I would have hoped you took in the ZB clip I offered upstream. I even found it on Fox. :grin: It offers insight into the new breed of greed dominating our globe.

    If that was for my benefit, that is pretty much what I said to Rutherford previously without benefit of somebody’s link. :wink:

  • 508. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    OWS hasn’t run the course, because they never got on the path. :wink:

    I don’t care if they protest – I’m encouraging to scream louder, throw a few bricks. I’m praying that progs make such asses of themselves like they did at Wellstone’s orgy funeral some years back, that average Americans stand back and are aghast at the Caligula spectacle.

    That will help OBozo lose another couple of million votes.

  • 509. Alfie  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Alfie, I’m surprised. I thought you were pretty critical of Mitt based on his time in MA.
    Never said people shouldn’t be critical of leaders,pols etc. I was, am, and will be,I just also think he is the right guy at the right time.

    I’m not sure where you get the idea that OWS has run its course. Hell, the thing has gone global.
    Seriously R the global nature of it has nothing to do with the USA,the press and pundits tag it that way but the Euros are much much better at civil disobedience for entitlements and change as are the South Americans,see Chile for starters.

    I feel OWS USA has run its course for the society it exists in. Boston,NYC and Oakland are three that will be cracking down and sweeping up by Veterans Day. OWS gone before Christmas.

  • 510. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Maybe its only a philosophical question, but are you really American when you hate and want to fundamentally change everything that makes us American?

    This is the fundamental flaw with your “Take America Back from Other Americans” meme.

    I never heard a member of the Tea Party busting on the Constitution because “Its ancient and hard to read”, I never heard a member of the Tea Party demanding that everything be given to them for free, only that they be allowed to live free, and I never saw a Tea Party publication declare on its cover “We’re All Socialist Now!” I never saw a Tea Party member who thought it was a appropriate to demonstrate on the lawn of a private citizen’s home, scare members of a private citizen’s family, or enter and disrupt their place of business. I never saw a Tea Party member decide that it was proper and appropriate to demonstrate against an entity that doesn’t answer to them, rather than taking their greivences to their elected officials.

    One group acts like Americans, and one group acts like a spoiled, lawless mob.

  • 511. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Here RuPoolman, :smile:

    Take this one to Obama. You want to talk about outrageous corporate grievance and crony capitalism?

    Things like this is why I can’t take your concerns seriously with your government solution:

    http://www.fantasticalandrewfox.com/2011/10/19/fisker-karma-solyndra-on-wheels/

  • 512. thorsaurus  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    “FBI of my back and onto these snotnosed, arrogantly stupid littlle maggots.”

    Can’t. We got rid of all the cops. They weren’t creating jobs.

  • 513. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Poolman, Rutherford thinks that the job market is deliberate by looking to global business? Small business employs the majority of Americans. Incidentally, the failure rate for businesses globally (at least through 2010 although leveled out — obviously because they had to bottom) is besides the point? What’s his messiah doing?

    http://www.dnbgov.com/pdf/US_Business_Trends_Jan11.pdf

  • 514. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    “OWS gone before Christmas.”

    OWS gone when temps drop below 40.

  • 515. thorsaurus  |  October 20, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    No sh*t Sherlock … the layoffs are exactly what I’m talking about. And multi-national corps are making money not just on their overseas sales but of course on their overseas, cheap labor hiring.-R
    Not all of them. Ford, Chrysler and GM have all announced they are bringing thousands of jobs back to the US with help from those orcs from hell’s furnace itself … unions. AHHH, the horror. That bailout was such a mistake Mitt er… I’m sorry, I forgot it was your idea. Flippity floppity down the money trail you go, little mittens.
    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2011/10/gm-general-motors-chrysler-ford-uaw-jobs/1

  • 516. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 20, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Can’t. We got rid of all the cops. They weren’t creating jobs.

    Yeah. I didn’t think the news of all those FEDERAL Bureau of Investigation layoffs was front page news for weeks.

  • 517. poolman  |  October 20, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    One group acts like Americans,

    YES – Patriots taking to the streets, standing together against a system of injustice. Practicing the often ridiculed rights of free speech and free assembly. Communicating and creating consensus in a purely democratic form. Studying the founding documents. Witnessed in some TP groups and in the Occupy movement.

    and one group acts like a spoiled, lawless mob.

    YES – Goldman Sachs and the rest of the Banksters, along with our politicos sucking up what’s left of America’s wealth! They’ve been riding high on this old hog for some time. Don’t stand in their way or you will be run down. Lawless mob for sure. Untouchables.

  • 518. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 20, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Tor,

    I have forgotten more about the way that the UAW screws its members and the big three then you probably ever knew in your life.

    GM STILL owes us money, and yet felt generous enough to give a $5K “signing” bonus to each worker in the latest contract. I’d like to say that it is a continuation of the kinds of stupid managment tricks that put them into the red to begin with, but I’m pretty sure that the government giving the union seats on the Board of Directors during the extra-legal bankruptcy proceedings plays a large roll in this stellar decision making.

  • 519. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 20, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Yawn. I’m sorry, Poolman. Did you say something? I couldn’t hear you over the sippycup banging.

  • 520. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Now BIC, we don’t want to blame Government Motors for singular the singular taxpayer screwing. Let’s not forget that Government Chrysler just ripped off the taxpayer for a cool $2.2 billion, never mind the bond holders getting corn holed in the process. That’s Obama’s most fair trait yet – share the ripoff wealth.

    I was going to buy a Ford Truck on account of the above mentioned features, until I found out the Ford CEO thinks we should tack on another $1.00 on the federal excise tax. I’ve got a better idea Mr. Ford CEO.

    Tex gives a standing ovation to Toyota and Honda once again. :wink:

  • 521. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 20, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Yeah, but Chrysler’s books were cleared…GM STILL owes us, and the Union gets a “bonus”…after the bonus of keeping their jobs.

    I guarantee you this was discussed in the board room at the Ren Cen, and the Union board members said what they have ALWAYS said…”Screw it. Its just other people’s money. Start writing the checks.”

  • 522. poolman  |  October 20, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Better put that sippycup down and listen up.

    A new attack on the US has begun. It is not nuclear, no planes hitting buildings, no secret terror cells, not as we know them anyway but the results, we may wish for a nuclear attack. It might be more survivable.

    The target is the FDIC, one of the rolling targets of remaining capital that the bankster coalition is seeking after having pushed America into full collapse during the Bush years of “looking the other way.”

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/20/bank-of-americas-fdic-robbery-in-progress/

  • 523. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Tex I know you think RuPoolman is clever but wouldn’t that somehow involve Poolman being a woman and me being in drag impersonating him/her? :?:

  • 524. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    OWS gone when temps drop below 40.

    You know, based on how wimpy I find most liberals, you might have a point there Tigre. But then that would fly in the face of their M.O., you know, dangerous rapists/murderers.

    P.S. I love when BiW gets all melodramatic. I bet his favorite part of the GOP debates is when they open with the National Anthem. I bet ole BiW stands up in his living room hand on heart and everything.

  • 525. Rutherford  |  October 20, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Not all of them. Ford, Chrysler and GM have all announced …

    Thor I originally opposed the auto bailout because it singled out one industry for assistance and it flew in the face of a key piece of capitalism — if you run your biz into the ground, it deserves to stay there.

    That said, I think the bailout was one of Obama’s finest moments considering the fallout that a failed auto industry would have caused and in retrospect how nicely these companies have turned things around.

    And yes … sometime unions can be a good thing. ;-)

  • 526. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    “you know, dangerous rapists/murderers.”

    They’ll do it indoors.

    Well, unless Biden convinces Congress to pass his “jobs” plan.

  • 527. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    I thought we still owned 500 m shares of GM ($16 b) at a loss.

  • 528. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    http://www.deseretnews.com/blog/33/10011914/Perspectives-on-the-news-GM-bailout-a-success.html?pg=1

    (p.s. my brother is a GM exec — he thinks it shouldn’t have been bailed out)

  • 529. El Tigre  |  October 20, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    So R and Thor, what was the success? Why wasn’t restructuring through Bankruptcy or liquidation preferable?

  • 530. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    What was the big auto success again “Ru”, you cross dresser, you? Poolman has got his faults – but I never suspected him of wearing women’s pink panties like I did you. :smile:

    Let me put it this way. American Honda could have easily replaced the “hole”, and done it without the union bailout.

    So why didn’t we bail out Lehman too? They had a better record.

  • 531. dead rabbit  |  October 20, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    It’s fucking disgusting GM was bailed out and half my friends and family are tied to them in one way or the other.

    Of course the contracts include bonuses.

    You don’t stop idiotic behavior by making it raIn billions of dollars. Pavlov 101. It reinforces it.

    UAW chose to piss on my generation. Fathers devouring their own sons like some bizarre mythological origin myth.

  • 532. huckingfypocrites  |  October 20, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    So the only thing Team Obama is missing is the aircraft carrier and the “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED” banner.

    Funny how when it comes to seeking permission from congress to send our people to war, its just a little thing that we are barely involved in. But when there might be some political points to score, it turns into “we came, we saw, he died.”

    My, how things have changed since we got Saddam….

  • 533. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Rep. Dennis Cardoza, D-Calif., announced his retirement from Congress this afternoon — and he issued a scathing parting shot at President Obama’s track record on his way out.

    In a statement explaining his decision, Cardoza, a leader of the centrist Blue Dog Coalition, said he was “dismayed” by the administration’s “failure to understand and effectively address the current housing foreclosure crisis.”

    Ouch! :smile:

  • 534. thorsaurus  |  October 20, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    So R and Thor, what was the success? Why wasn’t restructuring through Bankruptcy or liquidation preferable?

    They did go through bankruptcy.

  • 535. thorsaurus  |  October 20, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    “have forgotten more about the way that the UAW screws its members and the big three then you probably ever knew in your life.”

    Apparently you forgot you had a vote. Isn’t that what I heard earlier. If corporate boards misbehave it’s up to the stockholders to punish them? Well, if your union was misbehaving, you should have voted them out. Just free markets. Why are you whining?

  • 536. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Thor,

    Are you a fan of Jobs and Competitiveness Council, Jeffrey “GE” Immelt – Obama fan and lover? :smile:

    I haven’t heard much criticism of the Obama Goldman/GE/Citigroup connections, and I can’t imagine why? I didn’t hear much when Robert Rubin, “the greatest Treasurer ever”, walked out with about 1/2 a billion while helping to run Citigroup into the ground either.

    And it’s kind of bitch voting out men that don’t have an official title to run a business or be accountable for the results. Good work if you can get it Slick Willie style.

    At least Halliburton and the Koch brothers make a lot of money. :twisted:

  • 537. thorsaurus  |  October 20, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    ‘Let me put it this way. American Honda could have easily replaced the “hole”, and done it without the union bailout.

    So why didn’t we bail out Lehman too? They had a better record.”

    Because Lehman didn’t have a supply chain that would die along with them. Don’t see too many Cummins engines going into Honda Civics. Holy f*cking sh*t. For being the economic gurus that are always having to “teach” R about business, you guys don’t seem to know sh*t about sh*t. Or are you just conveniently forgetting certain aspects because Obama has a clear success here. That couldn’t be it. :)

  • 538. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    Thor Thor,

    You have an incredible gift – a gift only libs have. A combination of gullibility, naivety, and no sense of the rhetorical question. The perfect rube.

    But you have an additional sense of helplessness. You actually think you’re brilliant. :twisted: That makes you even more fun to mock.

    What is AIG’s supply chain again? For that matter, what was GMAC Financial’s supply chain?

  • 539. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    And so it begins. :lol:

    Occupy Oakland implodes – with threats from a kitchen knife and couple of national toe sniffers. :lol: Anybody remember someone getting the knife at a Tea Party? From another Tea Party member? Did they have the stinky foot fetish?

    http://www.verumserum.com/?p=31000

    F***ing animals. Typical OWS, though.

  • 540. Tex Taylor  |  October 20, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Not national foot fetish! Global Foot Fetish!

    http://mrctv.org/videos/occupy-toronto-man-was-my-tent-sniffing-my-girlfriend%E2%80%99s-feet%E2%80%9D

  • 541. huckingfypocrites  |  October 20, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    “Because Lehman didn’t have a supply chain that would die along with them. Don’t see too many Cummins engines going into Honda Civics. Holy f*cking sh*t. For being the economic gurus that are always having to “teach” R about business, you guys don’t seem to know sh*t about sh*t. Or are you just conveniently forgetting certain aspects because Obama has a clear success here. That couldn’t be it.”

    You’re the one who doesn’t seem to know shit.

    Do you think the market is going to just let a supply chain “die” if the market needs that supply chain or finds it profitable? If it did “die” there would be another entity to swoop into the vacuum.

    That’s the way capitalism works.

    Are you just conveniently forgetting certain aspects because doing so makes Obama look good? That couldn’t be it.

  • 542. poolman  |  October 21, 2011 at 12:22 am

    Lehman didn’t produce a product. Banks don’t produce a product. Bankers are not capitalists, though they profit well from a capitalist system. Really, they have thrived in all kinds of economy. They started this boom and bust cycle.

    The core capitalist model puts a producer together with a consumer. One of the biggest problems with the brand of capitalism we have today is the vast assortment of middlemen, primarily paper pushers extracting their “fair share”, exploiting the producer and encumbering the marketplace which in turn extracts real value from the consumer.

    No institution should be “too big to fail”. Period. How can you advocate for a “free market” on one hand and offer subsidies to key players on the other? That isn’t a free market system.

    Just as we allow criminals and their acts to go unpunished if they have the proper connections or operate in the higher realms of our institutions, we allow the biggest corporations to bypass our laws and operate with impunity. This type of double standard is taking us down. Folks can sense injustice, even if it takes time to pinpoint it.

  • 543. huckingfypocrites  |  October 21, 2011 at 1:13 am

    “Any historians out there? Richard Brookhiser says Madison founded Republican party. I thought it was Democratic-Republicans. ??? ”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison#First_Party_System

    also read the 3rd paragraph here

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party

  • 544. thorsaurus  |  October 21, 2011 at 1:49 am

    You actually think you’re brilliant- Tex

    Why aim low? :)

  • 545. thorsaurus  |  October 21, 2011 at 2:21 am

    “Do you think the market is going to just let a supply chain “die” if the market needs that supply chain or finds it profitable? If it did “die” there would be another entity to swoop into the vacuum.”-Huck

    I’m sure China, Korea and Japan would have been perfectly willing to fill those orders.

  • 546. an800lbgorilla  |  October 21, 2011 at 5:41 am

  • 548. El Tigre  |  October 21, 2011 at 7:31 am

    “They did go through bankruptcy.”
    :roll: :roll:

    You and R are pieces of work.

    Without the bailout Numbnutz.

  • 549. Tex Taylor  |  October 21, 2011 at 9:51 am

    And I can guarantee you this is an excellent predictor how America would fare under the auspices of OWS – the perfect analogy.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/10/local-residents-hate-wall-st-occupiers.php

  • 550. MuffyMcD  |  October 21, 2011 at 10:49 am

    “Well, unless Biden convinces Congress to pass his “jobs” plan.”

    Say now, I’m starting to buy into this.

    So you think if congress passes the jobs plan my nice North Face gloves will show up? I know they’re around here somewhere.

    ~~~

    Tex, I hope everything works out OK for you and Mickey.

    ~~~

    Rutherford, I’m sorry too. I think I know you better than that and my reaction was as much displaced peevishness at Nobby “Joe” Leach as anything.

    The phony.

    ~~~

    Was that a debate or people dressed up as Republicans campaigning for President Obama? O_O

  • 551. MuffyMcD  |  October 21, 2011 at 11:05 am

    OK, I’m ready for a tutorial on inserting those emoticons. I’m not having any fun.

  • 552. Rutherford  |  October 21, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Was that a debate or people dressed up as Republicans campaigning for President Obama? O_O

    LOL … there doesn’t seem to be much Presidential material on display there. But maybe it’s time we all face the fact that NO ONE is prepared to be President. It is a one of a kind job for which there really isn’t adequate prep.

    Especially when you think about what we demand. We demand ideological rigidity instead of a resume that reflects experience. Please don’t start with the Obama lectures …. OK OK, he didn’t have the resume. But look at how Huntsman has been summarily dismissed, when the man truly has the best resume in the bunch.

    Since everyone here just loves the private sector, think about applying for a job. Does GE ask its applicants, “what is your philosophy concerning dishwashers?” Or does it ask them “what jobs have you had in the past that tell me you can work in our company?” Why should the Presidency be any different?

    And yes … again before all of you go apesh*t, if this measure were applied to Obama he would not be President.

  • 553. Rutherford  |  October 21, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Muffy, if you look at the table in the link below, you’ll learn all you need to know for lots of great emoticons. :-)

    http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies

  • 554. MuffyMcD  |  October 21, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Thanks boss, I think :?

  • 555. Rutherford  |  October 21, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Well done Grasshopper!!!

  • 556. Rutherford  |  October 21, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Huck … thanks for the links. I was planning to visit Wiki today to get the scoop.

  • 557. Rutherford  |  October 21, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Very very interesting. According to wiki, political scientists call it the Democratic-Republican Party while historians refer to it as the Republican Party. I was a Presidential fanatic as a kid. I always read Jefferson’s party referred to as the Democratic-Republicans. Upon reading the full Wiki entry, the damn thing is clear as pea soup, with folks referring to the party as The Republican Party and less often as the Democratic-Republican Party.

    Oh well, I should have known Brookhiser wouldn’t make that big a goof in a book about Madison. Just shows how dumbed-down early education was in the United States in the 1960′s and 70′s when I went to school.

  • 558. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    “They did go through bankruptcy.”

    No, they didn’t.

    They went through a reorganization and taxpayer funded bailout that was called a “bankruptcy”, but was in fact an extra-legal process by which secured creditors were shafted, and an unsecured creditor was made whole and given seats on the board of directors, and decisions about retaining distributors were made by political and not business considerations.|
    The process they went through was immensely shorter than what an actual bankruptcy would have been, and actually bore none of the hallmarks of a bankruptcy.

    The entity that came out the other side used money from one government bailout to pay off another government bailout, while addressing none of the business concerns that made it insolvent to begin with, and now continues to flush our money down a toilet with senseless generosity to the UAW, and a pursuit of a technology that Americans don’t want, and that they cannot make work efficiently.

    It was stupid from start to finish, and will FAIL again. It should have been allowed to completely fail the first time. It’s happened before, and we survived…look up “Studebaker”.

  • 559. huckingfypocrites  |  October 21, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    “I’m sure China, Korea and Japan would have been perfectly willing to fill those orders.”

    I’m sure Ford would have, too. Or did you forget that not all domestic auto makers took bailouts?

    “We demand ideological rigidity instead of a resume that reflects experience.”

    I love the sudden importance of that quality.

    Rutherford, why would you want someone whose experience comes from a system you believe to be broken?

    I also love how Obama is taking credit this moment for pulling troops out of Iraq on the date Bush set up.

    “Why should the Presidency be any different?”

    I can see after 3 years of Obama tarnishing the Office of the President of the United States that you would want to compare it to an average GE employee, but I think you’re just a little off base here.

  • 560. poolman  |  October 21, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Getting lawyers to agree on shit seems to be a daily past time in our country. Depends on what “is” is. Some lawyers are calling it bankruptcy. Does it take a law degree to understand the nuances?

    It is pathetic when some people’s “jobs” are all about reassigning liability/responsibility/definitions. They get paid for it, we all suffer for it. :evil:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/19/gm-impala-lawsuit-idUSN1E77I0Z820110819

  • 561. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Getting lawyers to agree on shit seems to be a daily past time in our country. Depends on what “is” is. Some lawyers are calling it bankruptcy. Does it take a law degree to understand the nuances?

    And some lawyers would argue that the sky was red if their clients paid them enough. Does it take a law degree to object to that when it is obviously wrong as well?

    Secured creditors are not bent over in favor of unsecured ones in bankruptcy. No law degree is necessary to know that.

    Decisions on what to keep and what to ditch (like dealerships) are not made for political considerations by someone who isn’t a bankruptcy trustee in a bankruptcy. It doesn’t take a law degree to know that.

    And in bankruptcy, you are either liquidated, or you come to an agreement with your creditors that allows you to stay in business. You don’t get bailed out bay the taxpayers. It doesn’t take a law degree to know that.

    Dope.

  • 562. Rutherford  |  October 21, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Rutherford, why would you want someone whose experience comes from a system you believe to be broken?

    Since we all know the system is not going to be rebuilt, you do need someone who has a proven track record of having worked within it, broken though it may be. Besides, you can’t change what you don’t understand.

    I can see after 3 years of Obama tarnishing the Office of the President of the United States that you would want to compare it to an average GE employee, but I think you’re just a little off base here.

    Cheap shot that ignores the fundamental point. LBJ knew how to work the system, even if it involved threatening certain Congressmen. Obama, with only two years in the Senate, does not know how to work the system. This is a particularly bad liability when the system itself is so politicized and polarized.

    The biggest lesson learned from electing Obama is we shouldn’t be looking for Preacher-in-Chief with inspiring words. We should be looking for someone with a proven track record that gives us confidence they can handle what gets thrown at them in the Oval Office. And I repeat, the ONLY challenger to Obama with real foreign affairs experience and executive experience is Jon Huntsman.

    The truth is, for all you GOPher’s complaining about hope and change, you are really looking for a GOP candidate who makes your heart beat faster (Bachmann, Perry, Cain) instead of looking for someone with concrete ideas to fix the country. You’re no better than all of us “Obama rubes”.

  • 563. huckingfypocrites  |  October 21, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    “The truth is, for all you GOPher’s complaining about hope and change, you are really looking for a GOP candidate who makes your heart beat faster (Bachmann, Perry, Cain) instead of looking for someone with concrete ideas to fix the country. You’re no better than all of us “Obama rubes”.”

    I think you need to remember whose comment you are replying to.

  • 564. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Since we all know the system is not going to be rebuilt, you do need someone who has a proven track record of having worked within it, broken though it may be.

    So you’ll be recanting your support for the #Occupy My Banging Sippycup knuckleheads?

    Besides, you can’t change what you don’t understand.

    Says the man with all the suggestions for changes who repeatedly demonstrates that he fundamentally doesn’t understand how government was designed and intended to work, and how the various “fixes” over the centuries have been anything BUT. The irony. It burns.

    Cheap shot that ignores the fundamental point. LBJ knew how to work the system, even if it involved threatening certain Congressmen. Obama, with only two years in the Senate, does not know how to work the system. This is a particularly bad liability when the system itself is so politicized and polarized.

    Magnified by his style of “uniting”, which is to magnify the politicization and polarization of the very same system.

    The truth is, for all you GOPher’s complaining about hope and change, you are really looking for a GOP candidate who makes your heart beat faster (Bachmann, Perry, Cain) instead of looking for someone with concrete ideas to fix the country. You’re no better than all of us “Obama rubes”.

    You wouldn’t know truth if someone did you a solid and nailed it to the back of your hand. I’m looking for a candidate who clearly understands that the answer to every problem isn’t “More government.”, and who loves freedom enough to let us feel the consequences of it, rather than abdicating every decision to a nanny-state technocrat in exchange for a bubble wrap coccon where no one every has to suffer the consequence of a bad decision because they never get to make one.

    It isn’t rocket science, and since Huntsman is a progressive’s progressive, he isn’t the man for the job.

  • 565. El Tigre  |  October 21, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    “You’re no better than all of us “Obama rubes”.”

    Yeah, except we won’t vote for Obama. :lol:

    All of this “you’re just as bad as us” is starting to scare me Rutherford. “I know you are but what am ” is your defense of Obama. Wow. I think that makes you a racist! :lol: :lol:

  • 566. El Tigre  |  October 21, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    Now BiW, we all will miss being spoken to like children too.

  • 567. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Now BiW, we all will miss being spoken to like children too.

    LIke a raging case of the clap.

  • 568. huckingfypocrites  |  October 21, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    “LBJ knew how to work the system,”

    He sure did…


    ;)

  • 569. poolman  |  October 21, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    And some lawyers would argue that the sky was red if their clients paid them enough.

    Truth and justice are not arguable standards. Money motivates man. Lying for profit is, well, evil. It takes a law degree to make money from it, no matter which side you’re arguing.

    I wonder what motivates this dope…

    John Penn, a former president of the American Bankruptcy Institute who is not involved in the case, said the question of “successor liability” is common for manufacturing companies that go through bankruptcy.

    “The fact it comes up now is not a surprise, as this type of issue was widely discussed during GM’s bankruptcy,” said Penn, now a partner at Haynes and Boone in Fort Worth, Texas. “The court will need to evaluate the claims to see if they fit within any cubbyhole of liability that New GM assumed.”

  • 570. El Tigre  |  October 21, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    LBJ knew enough about the system to know he needed to drop a bid for a second term “for the good of his party and the country.” Obama does too, but won’t.

  • 571. El Tigre  |  October 21, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    There’s different types of bankruptcies and procedures for re-organization Poolman.

    And what does this mean?

    “Truth and justice are not arguable standards. Money motivates man. Lying for profit is, well, evil. It takes a law degree to make money from it, no matter which side you’re arguing.”

  • 572. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    Ahhh yes. Poolman doesn’t have a law degree, much to his eternal regret, but he DID sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night, which is why he knows so much more than someone to didn’t get one, but TWO law degrees.

    What part of “it was called bankruptcy, but wasn’t” did you have trouble grokking?

    The preferences and extra-legal actions taken in the Government Motors and Chysler “bankrupcies” skirted or ignored the rules and procedures that are applied to EVERY OTHER CORPORATE BANKRUPCY, hence, it wasn’t a bankruptcy at all…it was a grossly tortious interference with the operation of law in which the federal government made a deliberate decision without lawful authority or precedent to abandon its role as a regulator, and instead took sides by deliberately propping up a failed private entity. In so doing, it wiped its ass with the law, and destroyed the predictability that the private sector needs to correctly operate because it discouraged the kind of private investment companies sometimes require to remain viable, and by making it clear that the law is not applied equally in every bankruptcy due to the insane notion that some are “Too big to fail.”

  • 573. poolman  |  October 21, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    So this now sets precedent and becomes law. Isn’t that how laws “evolve”? Tell me it wasn’t lawyers that pulled this off.

  • 574. El Tigre  |  October 21, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    No. Looks like we’re back to the regular type of bankruptcy when the dumb-fuck-in-chief threw 1/2 billion at Solybdra. Thankfully, he subordinated the debt before it went insolvent! :roll:

    It was politicians (that you voted for) that pulled it off Poolman. Thanks.

  • 575. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Thankfully, he subordinated the debt before it went insolvent!

    ProTip: Coffee blown through the nose is painful.

  • 576. poolman  |  October 21, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    It was politicians (that you voted for with law degrees) that pulled it off Poolman. Thanks.

    FIFY

  • 577. poolman  |  October 21, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Huck,

    Your post at 568 opens a whole ‘nother can of worms. :neutral:

  • 578. El Tigre  |  October 21, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Yeah. Those law degrees. Gotta make you wonder why you voted for the resident of the harvard law review, does’t it?

  • 579. Rutherford  |  October 21, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    I think you need to remember whose comment you are replying to.

    On the contrary, every now and then you hand me a paddle I can whack the rest of the gang with. :-)

  • 580. Rutherford  |  October 21, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    I’m looking for a candidate who clearly understands that the answer to every problem isn’t “More government.”, and who loves freedom enough to let us feel the consequences of it, rather than abdicating every decision to a nanny-state technocrat in exchange for a bubble wrap coccon where no one every has to suffer the consequence of a bad decision because they never get to make one.

    Lots of sound and fury signifying next to nothing. “Freedom”, “nanny state”, the buzz words abound without a single idea of how to get us out of the mess we’re in. All you need is Perry telling you he’ll make sure you don’t see a Federal govt at work, and you’re a happy camper.

    BiW, you’re as much a part of the problem as any cockeyed utopian idealist liberal.

  • 581. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Wow, rutherford…if I take away the piss and vinegar from your last remark, I’m left with pretty much NOTHING substantial.

    The vacilation between inanition and aggressive stupidity would no doubt make an excellent case study for a clinical psychiatrist.

  • 582. huckingfypocrites  |  October 21, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    “On the contrary, every now and then you hand me a paddle I can whack the rest of the gang with. ”

    Not when you are accusing me of supporting Perry, Cain, and/or Bachmann because they make my heart beat faster. I think I have made my positions on those people more than clear. Would you not agree?

  • 583. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Rutherford, I’ve told you plenty of times “how to fix the mess we’re in”, but you don’t like the answer because it requires individuals to act like individuals and not sheep.

  • 584. Rutherford  |  October 21, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    I think Poolman is having an effect on everyone here lately. So Huck, LBJ got JFK killed?

    The Jackie-O tapes have been released since that Fox/Daily Mail smear piece and I haven’t heard a thing about Jackie suspecting LBJ. I have heard that Jackie thought MLK was a phony.

    Mmmmm does Rupert Murdoch own The Daily Mail?

  • 585. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    Would you not agree?

    Dan alert!

    Seriously though, you really don’t want to let facts get in the way of R “scoring a point”, or more importantly, believing he has scored a point against you, do you?

  • 586. Alfie  |  October 21, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    @580…really?!?

  • 587. huckingfypocrites  |  October 21, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    “I think Poolman is having an effect on everyone here lately. So Huck, LBJ got JFK killed?”

    That one was meant as humor, but when I read your comment the first thing I thought of was the infamous wink and smile.

    Which was why I added the ;)

  • 588. El Tigre  |  October 21, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    R, why should anyone vote for Obama?

  • 589. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    R, why should anyone vote for Obama?

    Because those cheapass Rethuglicans won’t spring for a Million Skittle-shitting unicorn flyby as part of the innaugural celebration!

  • 590. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    R, why should anyone vote for Obama?

    Because the damage he’s done and presided over can still be reversed.

  • 591. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    R, why should anyone vote for Obama?

    Because some of those evil corporations haven’t been punished for their success yet!

  • 592. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    R, why should anyone vote for Obama?

    Because SHUT UP!, that’s why, commerade!

  • 593. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    R, why should anyone vote for Obama?

    Because some Americans are still foolish enough to believe that they should make their own decisions, and John Holdren needs more time to “nudge” them the way that our betters KNOW they should go, Commerade.

  • 594. Rutherford  |  October 21, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    R, why should anyone vote for Obama?

    Because he’s black and anyone who doesn’t vote for him is a racist.
    :lol:

    Racial paranoia provides such easy, albeit misguided answers.

  • 595. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    R, why should anyone vote for Obama?

    Because the fruits of your exceptionalism don’t really belong to you.

  • 596. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    R, why should anyone vote for Obama?

    Because at some point, a melifluous career politician who’s only connection to your success is his or her sticky fingers on your earnings KNOWS that you have just made enough and that it is someone else’s turn.

  • 597. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    R, why should anyone vote for Obama?

    Because if you don’t, there won’t be enough police to act stupidly when they aren’t preventing you from being raped.

  • 598. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    R, why should anyone vote for Obama?

    Because he needs more time to get inhilators to the corpsemen and add 7 more states to the Union, otherwise, people might make fun of him, and you can’t make fun of a god.

  • 599. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    R, why should anyone vote for Obama?

    Because he still isn’t done apologizing for America.

  • 600. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    R, why should anyone vote for Obama?

    Because have you seen the price of arugula?

  • 601. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    R, why should anyone vote for Obama?

    Because Michelle won’t fly coach.

  • 602. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    R, why should anyone vote for Obama?

    Because if he was able to play golf everyday, then he wouldn’t have time for vacations and fundraising. Duh.

  • 603. huckingfypocrites  |  October 21, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    “why should anyone vote for Obama?”

    Because you are either for Obama or you are for the rapists!

  • 604. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    R, why should anyone vote for Obama?

    Because he and Eric Holder haven’t put the finishing touches on their latest action-adventure feature, Fast and Furious II.

  • 605. Rutherford  |  October 21, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    BiW .. you’re on quite the roll. Finished yet? Remind me to book you at Branson, you’d be quite the hit there.

  • 606. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Oh, I could probably go on for hours, but I need to take a capitalism break and make some evil money.

  • 607. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  October 21, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    And it would be a booking on Red Eye, not in Branson. ;-)

  • 608. Tex Taylor  |  October 21, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Ahhh yes. Poolman doesn’t have a law degree, much to his eternal regret, but he DID sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night

    :lol: Figure he skipped on the bill and stole some towels?

  • 609. Tex Taylor  |  October 21, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    Biden hints at 2016 run? :lol: :lol: :lol: Apocalypse is upon us.

    Even Rutherford I believe might give that the onay ayway.

  • 610. El Tigre  |  October 21, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    R, so you adopt BiW’s reasons? :lol:

  • 611. poolman  |  October 21, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Marketing has been too successful. Capitalism is on its way to extinction.

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