The Ghost at the GOP Debate and Obama’s Jobs Speech

This is a short post that I admit is neither profound nor particularly original but it bears repeating.

While the physical manifestation of Osama bin Laden may have perished on May 1, 2011, his ghost will be with us for some time to come and his presence was felt strongly at both the MSNBC/Politico debate last Wednesday and at Thursday’s Obama address to a joint session of Congress. Since the war in Afghanistan was barely mentioned in the GOP debate and was not the topic of Obama’s jobs speech, you might ask what I am talking about. It’s very simple really.

bin Laden’s lasting legacy is the economic devastation suffered by our country. We fought two wars off the books in reaction to the September 11 attack of 2001. We’ve dumped trillions of dollars into nation building wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in the hope of deterring future terrorist activity. One can debate the wisdom of these choices but the consequences are clear. Had we not spent all that money re-creating Iraq in our own image; had we not kept fighting in Afghanistan long after al Qaeda was no longer a threat there would we really have every GOP candidate for President discussing how to turn our economy around? If 9/11 had not happened might we have been better prepared for the financial Armageddon that befell us in 2008? Had Barack Obama not labeled Afghanistan “the good war”, would it be as likely that he would be addressing Congress and the nation about an economy on life support?

As I said, the observation is not original but it bears repeating. bin Laden’s goal went far beyond murdering more than 3000 Americans ten years ago. His wildest dreams were fulfilled by the largely self-inflicted economic death-blow that our country has suffered. As we commemorate the tenth anniversary of that horrific day, we remember how we lost our loved ones, our innocence and our financial health. Economics can kill a great nation just as easily as a brutal war. The attacks of September 11 were simply bin Laden’s first punch. The lasting damage has occurred in the ten years since.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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583 thoughts on “The Ghost at the GOP Debate and Obama’s Jobs Speech

  1. There is a great article by Andrew Sullivan about exactly this idea in the current Newsweek. It’s like an autoimmune disease or a prion-caused process. The inciting factor may never be found; it’s the response that does the deed.

    When the towers fell, I was on the phone with my wife; we were watching the same scene. She said that the damage would be incalculable; I said no, this country is so big and so powerful that this was nothing more than a moment’s pang – that is, unless the bastards got their desired result and we overreacted and destroyed ourselves.

    Which of course we are doing.

    Great post.

  2. Slightly OT:

    Since tomorrow is the tenth anniversary, it stands to reason the bastards might try something.

    I put my .38 in my pocket when I left for work this morning; I’ll have it with me at all times for the next couple of days.

    Think what a surprise would be in store for potential terrorists if everybody with a concealed carry permit did that.

  3. I think Rutherford has echoed or parroted a common take on this subject. I’m not calling you wrong per se R but your question set ( as well as all others) deserves a set in return.
    Does anyone think some economic reckoning wasn’t coming regardless of the wars?
    Does anyone truly believe We the People would tolerate going to the sovereign hedge funds of Beijing for any domestic issue to the scale we have for our wars?
    If 9/11 and the resulting mil/pol/econ actions are viewed as a tipping domino,are any number of things like the Jasmines,the economic collapse and say the rise of the BRICs really dominoes going down because of the 9/11 one?
    FWIW my simple answers are:
    No,No,and No.
    I’m free to chat on this.

  4. In my opinion, Osama is winning. We’ve infringed on personal liberties (TSA being the most insidious), many live in irrational fear, and too many have become politically correct to appease. And once again, I agree with Pfesser – the danger was always overreaching. And we did.

    But in my opinion, the biggest casualty of all is that Osama Bin Laden eventually led to the election of Barack Hussein Obama.

    Here are the records Obama has managed to set during his long 32 months:

  5. The demise of this nation started well before bin Laden. The events of 9/11 only accelerated it.

    Since 9/11 we have attributed more power to bin Laden than he ever had. In the same way we attribute power to Obama that he does not have.

    A lot of people made a lot of money from our demise. Many still are. But let’s not look there. Money has never proved a motive, right?

  6. Wouldn’t it be messed up if Obama’s failed stimulus cost as much as the Iraqi War? Man, that would really make this blog entry look pretty slanted.

    No not really. That would simply mean we cut could have cut 50% of our debt out by not fighting in Iraq …. or at least finding a way to pay for it when we did.

    I never said our economic problems were solely the fault of wars and increased “homeland security” costs. I said they played a major role and they made it harder for us to recover from all the other stuff.

  7. Well there you have it boys … first we got our historical truth via the Simpsons and now it’s South Park.

    I think my next post will be about what we can learn about the tyranny of big business by watching the interaction between Mr. Spacely and George Jetson!

  8. Man…..Egypt seems to be going exactly where my gut told me it would…

    The masses of Egypt are poor and radicalized. I fear the once cosmopolitan country is diseased.

    It’s only a matter of time before the Islamic Radicals rise to power, with support from the ignorant and destitute hordes.

    Meanwhile, Iran will be a nuclear military power in 20 or so months.

    It’s like watching an entire region of the world ignite in slow motion.

    If we thought the last ten years were rough, I have a feeling we’re in for a shock.

    I was dead wrong about something last summer. Obama should have been vocal and staunchly supported the Iranian uprising.

    I don’t give a damn about some C.I.A. backed coup in the 50’s. Or the revolution. We should have stuck our nose in that mess to the point of covertly financing or arming people, if the possibility existed. I’m sure the Saudi’s would have helped.

    It’s like watching a slow motion train wreck.

    Mean while, the only democracy in the region’s embassy gets torn apart by Islamic zombies and the world could care less.

    Anyone thinking a geopolitical hands off policy is the way to go right now is fucking nuts in my book.

    Fuck nation building, but fuck thinking we can pretend we’re Switzerland too. We need to get real.

    Can you imagine a year of 8 or 9 dollar a gallon gas?

  9. Am I reading this Solyndra stuff correctly? Obama and the Dems loaned a half a billion dollars to a fly by night company? A HALF A BILLION DOLLARS?

    They stiff us only 15 months after Obama showed up and made it rain dollar bills?

    Awesome deal you guys made, Democrats. And this is the part of the stimulus Obama BRAGGED about????????????

    Someone tell the Department of Energy that when they loan 500 millions dollars of tax payer money, WE should be the first in the line to recoup losses, not last!!!!!

    Another fucking bail out. Another bail out.

    What do you think, Rutherford? Do you think the bailed out investors have close and personal ties to Obama?

    Tex, who is this George Kiser motherfucker from your neck of the woods?

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    Poolman, too bad your into make believe movies and fantasy crap you see on TV…. because here is a real conspiracy. This is exactly the kind of thing you and your idiot internet friends provide smokescreen for.

  10. Obama is Charlie Brown.

    Jobs is the football.

    Wall Street is Lucy.

    It has become Obama’s burden to provide jobs. That is what we are told will stimulate the economy and provide security.

    Business provides these jobs. The bigger the business, the more jobs they provide, giving them job clout or political pressure points that Obama has to appease, while doing the dance like he doesn’t.

    Nobody wants to cut jobs – government or business. The goal of business is to take over the government jobs. They have a nice name for it. Privatize. It sounds righteous. It isn’t and here’s why:

    Business operates from a strictly profit and loss criterion. In that very point, it is amoral and that is never good for humanity. As a matter of fact, it is the essence of anti-christ. For you atheists, lets say without compassion. It makes mankind chattel. A commodity.

    Those who see this business world from a chessboard perspective are so far removed from us, it’s all about possession and the power that yields. Money and capital gains. To make money, there has to be a trade-off. If all needs are filled, you have to find or make one.

    New markets have to be made. Capitalism needs a market to thrive. We now have Homeland Security and all the associated private businesses providing…jobs. New equipment – more jobs. Your new military subs most of its needs out…jobs. And somebody has to work all those bases around the globe… more jobs. And the shipping of materials… jobs. Fuel.. jobs. Drilling, mining, refining – jobs, jobs, jobs.

    We are on the same path man has taken for centuries. We fight off oppression both political and religious, achieving a version of liberty, only to corrupt again, allowing overseers control and profit from our human needs, both real and fabricated.

    This system is done. They knew it wouldn’t go on perpetually. Why else do you think this last decade has been so dog-eat-dog? We’ve lost our sense of community. Walmart moved in and we’re addicted.

    If the barbs this beast lays out have set, it is understandable. Some of them have been laid decades ago and are well concealed. Peaceful cooperation is tantamount. Each carrot is carefully designed to appeal to even the most distinguishing rabbit.

    PR. Marketing. Advertising. Propaganda. Imprinting. Branding. Get the picture? It’s gone global. It emits the same sense of sincerity we get from floor mats. I’m sure there have been some exceptions. Most compassionate acts are publicized for maximum impact.

  11. Hey…I know you guys don’t read poolman;s stuff….so I posted this for your enjoyment.

    “Business operates from a strictly profit and loss criterion. In that very point, it is amoral and that is never good for humanity. As a matter of fact, it is the essence of anti-christ.”-poolman

    Business is the essence of the anti-christ, guys.

    I fee embarrassed for even conversing with poolman, not alone letting him piss me off. I should have upheld my policy of ignoring him. My name is once again mud.

  12. Tex, who is this George Kiser motherfucker from your neck of the woods?

    An incredibly rich oil tycoon, who inherited daddy’s business (Kaiser Oil), turned into Kaiser-Francis oil, and made himself the 40th richest man in the world. Richest guy in our town, amongst some incredibly wealthy people, and do the players here in town cater to him.

    He’s also tied to the hip of the Dimocratic Party, but has many allegiances with moderate Republicans, including the feckless mayor of Tulsa, Dewey Bartlett.

    To demonstrate to you how screwed up things are becoming with government, and how they have permeated every facet of life, ruining everything in their path, I give you this story. You will understand why if you read to the bottom.

    ———–

    We have a trash service in Tulsa that runs twice a week, most places. It’s a consortium of small business owners who own their own trucks, if I understand correctly, manned by mostly Hispanics, hopping up and down of that truck a thousand times a day. The work is for the young and they do a tremendous job.

    It’s the one service we have here in Tulsa that is both affordable and excellent – completely dependable. 94% of the people give high marks for our trash service, and every time I’m outside, I think so highly of these guys and how hard they work, I run to the refrigerator outside to grab 5-6 bottles of water to meet them in the street. My neighbor across the street does the same, carrying cokes in hand (they told me they prefer the water).

    Well, our “progressive” mayor and a trash board have decided the service isn’t “green” enough. So our “progressive board” made up of both rejected Republican pols and former Dimocrats (can’t just blame one party this time – these are the political connected goons in town) has decided we will be switching to 96 gallon green carts for once a week pickup, twice if you want to pay a bunch more. NGL vehicles will now be used instead of diesel will be required to even bid, which puts the little guys out of the bidding. And the green carts which the taxpayers will of course, be paying for, will be provided “for free”, courtesy of Waste Management.

    Nine out of ten people in this town do not want the service changed, and have offered to pay more if that is what is necessary. Supposedly, the system isn’t paying for itself according to our city – which we have discovered recently is utter bullshit.

    To hell what the citizens want. They’re doing it anyway over the wishes of more than 90% of the people. Supposedly the broken system has $1.3M dollars to advertise and educate us citizens on why this new system is so much more “progressive.”

    And everyone on that board to a person is somehow friends with George Kaiser.

    This is what America has become. I’ve never witnessed such a blatant power grab. I’m not conspiracy loon like Poolman – but I have absolutely zero doubt money is being exchanged hands between someone.

  13. “Business operates from a strictly profit and loss criterion. In that very point, it is amoral and that is never good for humanity. As a matter of fact, it is the essence of anti-christ. For you atheists, lets say without compassion. It makes mankind chattel. A commodity.”

    Poolman, you’re the anti-christ. And a punk.

  14. http://www.chrisusher.com/clients/911

    a memorial in photographs for 9/11 and the aftermath, by Chris Usher.

    Chris Usher : “Here’s a collection of images from 9/11 and the aftermath- I had just returned from Perpignan hours before and I was alerted from a deep sleep by a phone call from my best friend about the WTC– as I was putting my gear in my truck I heard the hit on the Pentagon, but didn’t think anything of it since there was construction on the Wilson bridge nearby– as I turned onto US1, I could see the smoke rising and then turning horizontal in the prevailing breeze…..”

  15. Tigre,

    I believe I speak for Rabbit, Gorilla and myself when I call men like Al-Poolman a disease that has infected America, and it needs to be eradicated soon.

    There was a time when America was great, when our national character and goodness mostly unquestioned, that we would worked like the dickens to exterminate this disease with extreme prejudice. I’m afraid our time of multiculturalism has rendered most of our citizens to sheep, and our courts as soulless arbiters of political correctness as our highest calling.

    I have sometimes conversed with a guy going by the name of cfbleachers – a really talented but average joe like the rest of us, who pens some outstanding stuff. This comment, speaking about 9/11, could have been written about Al-Poolman and his band of ghouls:

    ——-

    <i.In The Tempest, Shakespeare writes that “the past is prologue” and sadly it is so very true for “us”…and “them”.

    There are two types of people in this land of ours. Those who instinctively reacted with a sense of protection, preservation and patriotism for this land of ours…and those who instinctively did not.

    In the aftermath of 9/11 there again arose a split between those who held fast to that sense of protection, preservation and patriotism for this land of ours, and those who fabricated a sham for denouncing the former.

    In group A above, the instinctive non-patriots are agents of treason. Traitors to the core. Subversives who live in a cesspool of hatred, whose life work is to tear at the fabric of our society for the sheer pleasure of shredding it. Frankly, if we lived in cfbleachers land… I would try them in a court of law and upon the finding of guilt…I would hang their filthy soulless bodies from the highest trees in the land.

    Instead, they are lionized in our corrupt media and even more in our dysfunctional academic train wreck of a system and in our degenerate entertainment vox populi.

    The “eroding patriotism” fools in B above, are the wallowers at the leftist media troughs, who, incapable of thinking for themselves, are peer-pressured cultists who get their marching orders from leftist rags, alphabet news outlets and their empty talking heads, Hollywood, Soros new media and academic frauds from group A.

    These fools didn’t have the instinctive bile rise up immediately as the subversives did, it had to be regurgitated into their throats like little baby birds, so they could chirp back the subversive “message” on cue. So afraid are they of being called jingoistic, for showing a love of country, of pride in us as a nation, lest they be condemned as stupid, racist, lacking nuance, …that they suppressed and then turned their backs on all who shared their original instincts. Before the cock crowed, they denied knowing America at all more than thrice.

    Then, the subversives went to work…blameshifting a mass murder onto Republicans, conservatives, Christians, Jews, …all the usual suspects on their blacklist clipboards.

    Conveniently leaving out the attacks against Hindu nations, Communist regimes, an array of other Muslims, little children, beheadings of leftist reporters,…the subversives made this about the “sins of America and Israel”.

    And, the west in general.

    Radical Islam and radical leftism are diseased bedfellows. And the leftist cult groupie fools like to sleep around with those bedfellows. So catching their disease is not merely probable, it is inevitable.

    We remember 9/11 not only to honor the innocent and the brave lost on that day, which we must. But also to honor the instincts that preserve and protect this land of ours, because past is prologue. The subversives and their cultish fool groupies are still at war with us. Today, more than ever.

  16. Rutherford

    IMO, the first punch came with the collapse of Enron and the SEC’s systemic and catastrophic failure to prevent the collapse. You could say the lessening of rules and regulations and oversight by the SEC began during the Clinton administration and has continued to date.

    Osama’s ultimate goal was to undermine the wealth of the USA but his punch was just one of many that has created the crumbling of the “Pillars of the Earth”.

  17. Obama is Charlie Brown.

    Jobs is the football.

    Wall Street is Lucy.

    Sorry guys but I love this analogy.

    Other than Poolman’s reference to the anti-Christ which I find preposterous, what exactly did PM say that you find fault with? As I have said many times, big business is making record profits without the help of American workers. They have zero incentive to change. Profit is what matters and employees have become “human resources”. :-(

  18. I swore I wouldn’t watch the “as it happened” coverage of 9/11 today but it is riveting. If you are a student of jounalism it is fascinating to see how NBC vascilates in its coverage between responsible reporting and eagerness to get a scoop. Case in point: “we are hearing a car bomb exploded at the state department.” Of course that never happened.

    Watching this just hammers home what a horrific day it was. And for the record, no matter how flawed the 9/11 committee report might have been, NO DECENT COUNTRY WOULD INFLICT THIS WOUND UPON ITSELF!!!

  19. Thanks Ragi. The images are well worth the while of following your link. Your insights are also much appreciated.

    I was drinking my coffee on the balcony this morning, off of which there is an unobstructed view of the Sears Tower and the Southeastern skyline. Beyond that – a sky blue backdrop and the deeper, ultramarine blue waters of Lake Michigan. The words came to me as I regarded the landscape…

    Thine alabaster cities gleam
    Undimmed by human tears.

    It seems that the most poignant verses of that ode are the least often sung. While not a single word is wasted from the first “O” – the reflections just keep getting better and more affecting as the poem goes on.

    I’ve mostly avoided viewing the footage and listening to the stories since that day. Not last night, nor the night before. Nothing but tears relieve the lump in my throat.

  20. As I have said many times, big business is making record profits without the help of American workers.

    You left out one very important proviso – and it makes all the difference in the world when considering the validity of your analogy.

    Those record profits are due in large part to multinational corporations whose profits are derived in large measure in foreign countries, by foreign countries, petroleum being the most obvious example.

    If that were not true and firms like GE were making record profits domestically, they would have paid taxes in 2010, never receiving a tax rebate for 2010 losses.

    You’re trying to slam the door after the horses left the barn years ago. America can not compete when it has the highest corporate tax rates in the industrialized world. We have been tell you and your ilk that for at least the last 15 years.

    Small business, the heart of the economic engine, is struggling to survive with undo burden, taxes and regulation of Obama – the appropriate analogy is not Charlie Brown but Fat Albert – with his fat foot parked on the throat of free enterprise.

  21. Oh my. Draping the field with the Red, White and Blue. I might have to root for the Bears today.

    I’m just glad they aren’t playing the Packers.

  22. And here’s Krugman’s contribution on September 11, 2011:

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/11/the-years-of-shame/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto

    Tex, cfbleachers commentary was a good one. Of course to many on the left, the joy in pretending to point out the sins of America is synonymous with “enlightened.” I for one am sick and fucking tired of it.

    R, the fact that you can’t see more behind the tireless efforts of Poolman speaks volumes. You probably see nothing wrong with Krugman’s gift to the universe today either. And that sucks.

  23. “Obama is Charlie Brown.

    Jobs is the football.

    Wall Street is Lucy.

    Sorry guys but I love this analogy.”

    You would. Too bad he’s got it mixed up:

    Business is Charlie Brown.

    Jobs is the football.

    Obama is Lucy.

  24. Awesome pictures of the Pentagon, Raji. Thanks. I had not seen those particular ones. Still looking for plane parts You’d think the wings would have left an impression.

    But what do I know, I’m just a punk.

  25. Rutherford,
    As you well know for a couple of years I went toe to toe with Elric66 many times. I countered his links,pressed for more views,expansion of his statements, and attacked his tainted positions in comments and even whole posts and ultimately banning him.
    Sure there were times when he was direct AND inoffensive,hell,at times even cordial and seemingly honest in wanting folks (me) to look at something,see a position.

    Well all my actions were based on taking a stance of higher moral standing. No matter how insignificant a blog,and I readily concede mine to be so,the author and administrator has a duty to act responsibly or be seen as a net negative.

    Rutherford I find you have indeed become such a net negative. An obliging accomplice in the crimes of Poolman all the while hiding behind soft statements that you don’t agree with him but you grant him his free speech.
    Rutherford,invite the guy to the WordPress main page and allow him to host his own blog where he can post whatever his heart deigns worthy.
    He has co-opted your blog and made you a guilty by association,and that is truly,truly sad.

  26. Still looking for plane parts You’d think the wings would have left an impression.

    But what do I know, I’m just a punk.

    It ain’t like that. When things collide at that speed with that much momentum due to weight, they just disintegrate.

    Here you go; I’ve been looking for this. Probably at low altitude the airliners if firewalled would hit close to 600 mph, so here is what you are really looking at.

  27. Sorry – there should have been quotes around poolman’s statements.

    “Still looking for plane parts You’d think the wings would have left an impression.

    But what do I know, I’m just a punk.”

    That makes more sense.

  28. It is a testament to the building quality of the Pentagon that so little relative damage was done. NBC’s Jim “Mick” was on “the other side” of the building and felt a slight vibration.

  29. I understand the Pentagon is basically the side of a mountain with windows. :smile:

    I’m glad Pfesser posted that video – I was going to grab something else on a rocket slide going a couple of thousand miles an hour and showing metal disintegrating into dust.

    But then it would have lent credibility to the ignorance of this entire argument.

    Well said Alfie.

  30. I’m not a tennis player or tennis fan even (wife is), but damn it was good to see that classless Serena Williams get her ass kicked by that little Aussie… :smile:

    There are a few Americans I will root against – the vulgar William’s sisters are two.

  31. Rutherford I find you have indeed become such a net negative.

    Alfie, as a fellow blogger I take your opinion seriously. Of course I disagree. Here’s why:

    1. Besides hating Obama (what else is new), Elric had a singular purpose in life which was to make us fear and even hate Muslims. Poolman on the other hand posts on a variety of topics. Yes, his conspiracy stuff is out there and on a day like today it can be downright offensive, but he also posts extensively on religion, economics and most of all shares a bit of the human side of himself. We know the man installs swimming pools. We know he has had to downsize his living quarters (as have I). What personally did we ever know about Elric? The man could just as easily have been a bot.

    2. I define hijacking a blog as posting so much material that no one else can get a word in edgewise. Again, that description applied to Elric who had link-diarrhea in the extreme. Not only are these threads frequented by all of the “regulars”, many of them devote time to answering Poolman’s assertions. So our regulars are well represented. I don’t get the feeling at all that Poolman has hijacked the blog.

    3. I have always differentiated myself from those who post here with whom I disagree. Tex has said some stuff that I thought way out of line. Rabbit has had a few choice entries too. Anyone who thinks everything they write represents my views has never bothered to read my articles. The same goes for Poolman. The closest I’ve ever come to writing a half-cocked conspiracy article was about the census taker found dead and I wrote a subsequent article declaring what a boob I was.

    As I’ve said before, the only thing that scares me about the responsibility of blog ownership is the possibility of someone writing something here that is illegal or shows some future illegal intent (other than the harmless bravado that some of us engage in). That is where I draw my line. And yes, Alfie, due to a complaint posted to me privately, one of Poolman’s links was removed. At the time, even he admitted the link was over the line. Last but not least, I’ve said more than once that banning Elric showed a flaw in my character, not his.

    But thanks for the thoughts. As I said, I do take them seriously because unlike some of the flame throwers here, you DO write a blog and understand what we have to weigh in the process. Speaking of which, I love the new design you’ve chosen … better than some others you’ve used in the past. As for your SPAM problem, the spammers are becoming much more sophisticated … writing comments that almost are on topic so they can pimp their links. I’ve needed to exercise added vigilance.

  32. Thanks Muffy and Tex. I too felt the images were beautiful and poignant. Usher has a way of portraying the emotions of the event. His best work to date is his pictorial history of the victims of Hurricane Katrina called “One of Us”.

  33. Rutherford, here is what bugs the living shit out of me about you when it comes to Poolman.

    You strangely always go out of your way to pick phrase or sentence from his insanity and tell us how much you agree with it.

    I can show you the pattern.

    You do it all the time, man.

    It gets to the point of silly when you are writing things like, “except for that part about Poolman saying that business is the anti-christ….”

    Do you go out of your way to find snippets in Klan literature you agree with?

    Why do you feel the need to prop up Poolman of all people?

    I think the pop culture aspect of Poolman’s shtick makes it easy to kind of dismiss his illogical, vile, anti-American garbage.

    He is a terrible virus and should be treated as such.

    I for one am ignoring the piece of cowardly shit.

    But you are correct on one thing, R. We legitimize him by conversing with him.

    I, for one, am done with piece of shit.

  34. I for one am ignoring the piece of cowardly shit.

    But you are correct on one thing, R. We legitimize him by conversing with him.

    I, for one, am done with piece of shit.

    Well said D.R. in response to Rutherford’s lame garbage.

    Rutherford didn’t even get the entire gist of Alfie’s message. Rutherford obviously does suffer from selecting reading and selective memory. His double standards were always glaring.

    For Poolman to continually slander his own country, tell the most egregious of lies with the flimsiest of sources from kooks and stooges, and Rutherford never questions his decency, it is pretty simple to figure out.

    See Rabbit, Poolman voted for Obama; that means Poolman is just misunderstood or rock solid where it counts. That makes slander tolerable and all the lies okay – why, it’s just a 1st Amendment issue.

    …Spit…

  35. One more thing about Poolman.

    I have said stupid things here. I’ve made silly lists, made dumb connections, etc.

    I don’t come here to work on my thesis.

    I’m moderately educated with at best an average IQ.

    I tend to come off better in person.

    Unless I’m pissed off. Then I turn into a cave man.

    But, Poolman consistently uses this blog as a forum to hurt our country.

    Let’s say he was merely pro-arab. His link above to the Egyptian protests would be valid. We would argue with him, it would be heated and he would be one of the guys.

    But, its not like that. He repeatedly uses this forum to spread lunacy.

    I’m instituting “intellectual sanctions” on him. Let’s get model UN on his ass.

  36. I find some of poolman’s stuff to be way out there but I think we need to be a little more precise in our criticism:

    Firstly, poolman has never “slandered his country” or “hurt out country.” He has expressed some very serious doubts about the honesty of some of its officials, not the country itself. Seems to me he should fit right in here, since that seems to be the general theme. Or maybe the problem is WHO he deigns to criticize. No, couldn’t be that…

    As for his participation in the blog, he seems to me to be reasonably cordial and not particularly prone to call people names; maybe if a little of that rubbed off on the rest of us it wouldn’t be a bad thing either.

    What I like about him is that he doesn’t go ’round with the “Dem bad – Rebub good!” stuff, which as near as I can tell makes him on this blog a minority of one. No, two. No, counting Rutherford, three. There is plenty of criticism to go around and The Poolman gives hell to both sides. Good for him. They deserve it.

    Now pile on. I LIKE it.

  37. Dude, he claims the United States of America slaughtered its own people on 9-11.

    Through using forums like this, or the internet as a whole, he and his buddies have managed to spread this lunacy to the point where a sizable percentage of young people believe it to be true.

    You don’t think these kind of outrageous allegations and the division it causes give comfort to our enemies?

    And what about the social ramifications of a hefty minority of people growing up believing that the America made war on its own people?

    You don’t think this will effect America negatively?

    I deal with it more and more in the classroom.

    Try teaching civic virtue and democracy to a 17 year old brain washed by Uncle Poolman.

    Why shouldn’t they be jaded?

    America murders its own people in a brazen acts of war.

    Pfessor, I know you like to pride yourself as an outside of the box nonconformist.

    Fine by me.

    But, it is your, our, responsibility to point out both the lunacy and the negative effects that spreading this filth can have.

    Poolman isn’t cute. America needs to call these people out. Not smirk and bat our eyes.

    America is nothing more then an idea. It can’t function if we become so cynical that Poolman is labeled merely “quirky” or “alternative”.

  38. By the way, your charges of us simply barfing Republican talking points are pure bull shit.

    I’ve seen debate over Israel, unions, foreign policy, abortion and monetary policy here all between the people who usually vote Republican.

    Lastly, and this has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand nor does it serve any positive purpose, but you bragged about your karate skills online.

    Lol.

    I’ve been wanting to mock you for that for a long time and just didn’t know how to fit it in.

  39. Pfessor, I sometimes forget, you believe in the threat of “Dominionism”.

    Clandestine Christian illuminatti (spelling) working to install a theocratic junta. Am I right?

    Man.

    No wonder you defend poolman.

    By the way, the Dominionists must be pissed: Abortion, gay marriage, gays in the military, porn all over the internet, medical marijuana, rap music.

    Dude. I feel their shadows every where.

    I don’t know if the Dominionists exist. But, if “they” do, “they” suck at achieving their goals, big time.

    Talk about a losing streak.

  40. So, I’ve been going back and looking at Rutherford responses to Poolman.

    Weird.

    He will find anything scrap possible to agree with him on.

    Its so obviously forced and often times really mundane stuff.

    Now here’s the weird part.

    Rutherford constantly uses those “emoticon” things.

    Always the happy face.
    :)

  41. Strangely, Truthers seem to hate wikileaks.

    I’m sure I’m going to get lambasted by some here, but I follow Wikileaks on Twitter.

    Its fascinating stuff.

    I think Asange is an ego maniac. But he will go down in history as one of the most influential pioneers of the information revolution.

    I still haven’t made up my mind on the morality of it, to be honest.

    Wikileaks should be the ultimate orgasm for conspiracy theorists.

    Talk about pay dirt!

    Thousands of cables by nation states literally “conspiring” in secret are now exposed for the whole world to see.

    Yet, poolman wants nothing to do with wikileaks. Why is that?

    Of course, he will claim wikileaks is a wholesale fabrication.

  42. Why pile on? In many ways, your Dominionism crap from those irrelevant goons in Alaska is as flaky as Poolman’s conspiracy stories from Veteran’s Today and Stormfront – stooge material. Today Poolman informed us Private Bradley Manning probably doesn’t even exist. :lol: Poolman hates Israeli Jews, most American Jews and anybody that supports them, and you hate Christians. Other than professional accomplishment, to me you’re two peas in a pod.

    What I can’t figure out is why you choose to live and work from Farmville to Lynchburg – a center of predominately active Christian community. Seems a contradiction of lifestyle choice. Guess you’re not too terribly worried about that theocracy you often speak.

    And the fact you can type Poolman hasn’t slandered his country when accusing our government of killing 3,000 of its own citizens and continually accusing America of Imperialism? Poolman has as much as called our military mercenaries.

    That’s the very definition of what Stalin called useful idiot, and unlike you, Stalin knew damn well the power of propaganda and lies. Thankfully so do most Americans. Poolman’s intent of these lies is clearly to disrupt the morale of Americans who still believe in America’s goodness.

    If you can’t clearly see that, understand its danger, then nothing more needs to be said. That’s clearly a sign of your own delusion.

  43. I think it is our duty to ALWAYS question government. We SHOULD hold them guilty until PROVEN otherwise. I strongly feel that aligns with our Founding Fathers’ view. PROVE otherwise. Show me where I am wrong. You cannot.

    NONE of you are doing that. THAT IS most UN-patriotic.

    How many death threats have I received here?

    How many have I made?

    We ALL agree 9/11 has changed our world. PROVE the media version. PROVE the government version.

    With the Pentagon incident alone over 120 video cameras filmed that event. These cameras belong to government and private sources, all confiscated. Show them to us, if there is nothing to hide. Who is protecting who?

  44. Death threats? You never had one by me without an important side note.

    I said if I had the chance, I would do what I had to do to stop you from taking physical action against the country you declared war against, my country.

    I also said I would kill you IF you were my Grandpa and IF I could go back in time. But that was a joke.

    Don’t start leveling charges against me, cock snot.

  45. How many death threats have I received here?

    How does Rutherford “say” it? ROFLMAO?

    Now he is perceiving himself as some martyr? From total stooge, to delusions of grandeur.

    He’s come full circle. ** GUFFAW **

  46. “PROVE the media version. PROVE the government version.”

    The proof is that the Twin Towers fell. That proves the government and media versions. They said they fell because blah blah blah. And sure enough, they did fall.

    Now DISPROVE the media and government versions. You can’t. All you are left with is asking controversial questions like “where are these cameras?”

    You have such distrust of government, claim to hold it suspect, and indeed guilty until it proves its innocence to you…and yet I don’t recall any calls from you to see Obama’s birth certificate. In fact, I recall shit talk from you on the subject.

    You have no problem believing the US government slaughtered its own people but you laugh at us who wanted to make sure our president was born in America?

    PFesser’s wrong. You’re no less partisan than anyone here. Your “distrust” is clearly weighted.

  47. You have no problem believing the US government slaughtered its own people but you laugh at us who wanted to make sure our president was born in America?

    No, I think it ludicrous to think anyone can be sworn in as president before extensive background checks. I believe it was finally PROVED he is American. Or do you still doubt?

    How much media, money, and effort went into discovering that truth? Much more than went into 9/11, for sure. Which is the most detrimental to America? There’s my gripe.

    The proof is that the Twin Towers fell. That proves the government and media versions.

    This isn’t logic nor critical thinking. It is the same counter as “Because I said so, that’s why.”

    1,500 ARCHITECTS – professionals in that field – call bullshit.

  48. “No, I think it ludicrous to think anyone can be sworn in as president before extensive background checks.”

    Ooooohhhhh…..

    And who is it that does background checks on elected presidents? The media you trust so much?

    “I believe it was finally PROVED he is American.”

    Yes. It was finally proved. And who proved it? Was it a private entity that you can trust? Was it whoever you think did background checks? Nope. It was the government. But can you PROVE the government version?

    As far as you were concerned, and by your admission above, it was proven to you the moment he was sworn in. But not by actual proof that we waited years for…and that came from the government…but by immediate and default appeal to authority.

    And yet you tell us that we should hold authority guilty until it proves its innocence to us.

    “1,500 ARCHITECTS – professionals in that field – call bullshit.”

    So this really isn’t about “because they said so,” because that is also what you are doing.

    It’s really about who “they” is. You trust anyone but the government…unless the government tells you what you want to hear, or even when your assumptions tell you what you want to hear. Then, to think anything else is “ludicrous.”

    For the record, I don’t and never really did have doubt. That didn’t mean I didn’t want to see the proof since it was in question. And it serves as a great example of how full of crap you are with this supposed non-partisan mistrust of government you try to front around here.

  49. How much media, money, and effort went into discovering that truth? Much more than went into 9/11, for sure.

    And exactly where was this televised commission over Obama’s birth certificate, consisting of outside counsel and over thousands of hours of testimony? Did I miss that?

    You’re so hopefully out of touch with reality and the real world concerning anything of geopolitical influence or importance, that it is useless to carry on conversation further.

    You have taught me one thing. There are far more traitors aiding and abetting the enemies of America, in America, that I would have ever imagined outside the halls of academia and fringe MSM commentary.

    I never dreamed even in blue collar America, we had a substantial number of Ward Churchill types. I had always figured the “working man” the one stabilizing influence in this country – level headed and able to see clearly. I was wrong.

    IMO, you do not deserve the liberties this country affords. The country is only as strong as its citizenry. And you and your ilk are absolutely ruinous to it. I would have you tried in a court of law, and if found guilty, you would suffer the consequences – including possibly having your citizenship revoked with paid expenses elsewhere, never to return.

    Pfesser is wrong – you do little but slander the country that affords you your soft life with freedoms you would find no where else on earth. In my book, that makes you the absolute lowest of the low, and your vacuous accusations are an anathema to God and Country.

    It is no wonder our country is quickly going down the tubes, our children failing, our honesty in question.

    Your no more a patriot than Tokyo Rose was.

  50. Raji, I finally got a chance to look at the photos you posted. What strikes me is how the Pentagon and Shanksville have gotten relatively short shrift compared to the Twin Towers. It was refreshing to see a photo album devoted to those two sites.

  51. If you were truly consistent with your conspiracy theories you’d have been trying to convince us that African-born Barack Hussein Obama was a Manchurian candidate but in place by the African Union to get us to deal with the Libyan problem they clearly didn’t want to deal with.

    If I made that assertion, you could not prove me wrong other than to cite the government story you’ve been told. Wanna bet I can find a few “experts” to tell us how easy it would be to fake a birth certificate?

  52. Every week on my “radio” show I have a “Twerp of the Week”. Tonight it was the 19 9/11 hijackers. I read every name as best I could pronounce them. It’s just a shame they couldn’t be tried and executed for what they did.

  53. Huck,

    You usually project a greater intelligence than the comments expressed in 65 and 68. I can only attribute that to emotion.

    Regardless, you make the same false assumption that Tex and rabbit continually do – that being our government acts as one, the media acts as one – in essence that a single source is either completely true or completely false.

    Real life is not that way. Never has been.

  54. In an interview with an internet radio talk show called “truthjihad.com”, former television journalist Alan Hart (Poolman author link from above) has claimed that Israel was responsible for the 9/11 attacks and that it is planning a nuclear attack on the U.S. (Read here: truthjihad.com blog: Senior BBC Mideast Correspondent: “Here’s what may have REALLY happened on 9/11″!)

    Regarding 9/11, Hart suggested that while there may have been some original terrorist plot conceived by fellow-travelers of Osama Bin Laden, the Israeli Mossad, with its near-total penetration of Middle Eastern governments and terrorist groups alike, would have quickly detected and hijacked the operation to its own ends, orchestrating a spectacularly successful attack on America designed to be blamed on its Arab and Muslim enemies. Hart added that the Mossad operation that became 9/11 would have been aided and abetted by certain corrupt American leaders.

    Sounding a chilling note, Hart added that the U.S. is in grave danger of an Israeli-instigated false-flag nuclear attack, perhaps using an American nuclear weapon stolen from Minot Air Force Base during the “loose nukes” rogue operation of August, 2007. The motive would be to trigger a U.S. war with Iran, and perhaps to finish the ethnic cleansing of Palestine under cover of war–which Hart is convinced the Zionists are planning to do as soon as the opportunity presents itself.

    http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2010/05/alan-hart-israel-did-911-and-may-nuke.html

    Slander, rank propaganda, and another example of useful idiots spreading vicious lies across the internet domain. Day in, and Day out.

    I believe Huck said it best, so it bears repeating. PFesser’s wrong. You’re no less partisan Poolman than anyone here.

    Damn straight Huck.

    Let’s at least put that utter bullshit to rest about Poolman’s nonpartisan rhetoric. And I can guarantee you why Pfesser is so suddenly supportive of Poolman; it should be most obvious to the casual observer.

  55. “Regardless, you make the same false assumption that Tex and rabbit continually do – that being our government acts as one, the media acts as one – in essence that a single source is either completely true or completely false. ”

    I am not making any assumptions. I am using your own words.

    “PROVE the media version. PROVE the government version.”

    You ask for it on some things and take it for granted on other things. Why is that?

    Why is Obama’s proof of citizenship not questioned but Bush’s proof of 9/11 is?

  56. I watched some of “On Native Soil” tonight. It’s a documentary on the 9/11 commission report. I had to stop because my wife couldn’t take it. We are going to rent it though since I missed the beginning of it in addition to stopping it midway.

    Bottom line, there is no need for truthers because the simple truth is that there was so much gross incompetence on display before and during 9/11 that there is no need for fantasmagorical conspiracy theories. There’s more than enough real stuff to be angry about. Case in point, a flight attendant from American Airlines flight 11 calls to report she thinks the plane is being hijacked and the assh*les she’s talking to waste a good 20 minutes repeatedly asking her name and what seat she’s sitting in.

    Please tell me folks …. was anyone fired over 9/11?

  57. You ask for it on some things and take it for granted on other things. Why is that?

    I take little for granted, anymore. I try to use critical thinking and powers of observation. In that same light, I’ll ask you to explain this media report, Huck. Here is the accepted script being told prematurely. I’ve posted it here before. The building they are reporting that has collapsed is still standing in the background. What are we supposed to attribute that to?

  58. and yet I don’t recall any calls from you to see Obama’s birth certificate.

    WOW …. Huck points at the rank hypocrisy in this conversation but misdirects his criticism.

    All you anti-Truthers …. where the f*ck have you been with the birthers? How is THAT not an insult to our country? To say the President is a complete fraud? To spread that nonsense to impressionable kids who might actually believe such sh*t. And you guys have the nerve to get stewed over Poolman. Rabbit … you really take the cake with your lecture about impressionable minds. You don’t give a flying f*ck how bad the propaganda is about Obama. Kids can believe whatever they want about him. No problem.

    Please save all your righteous indignation. It’s rank hypocrisy. I don’t think George Bush had any deliberate involvement in 9/11. I DO believe his admin and the FBI and CIA and other organizations failed to connect dots that could have been connected. Was it deliberate oversight? Of course not!!! If Poolman thinks that a CNN reporter saying the word “missile” in front of the word “airplane” means something, then obviously PM has been smoking too much weed. And that is all you need to take from it.

    This melodrama about PM’s lack of patriotism coming from this crowd who would like to see Obama “frog-marched” out of the White House with his “ugly wife” following close behind is the ultimate in BS.

    I’ve allowed the most vile stuff to be posted here about a President we should all hope succeeds. I’ve allowed the Rush Limbaugh “hope he fails” bullsh*t with no editing, no censoring, no banning. We argue about it … or we can ignore it.

    Either argue with Poolman or ignore him but get off your f*cking high horse!!!! :evil:

  59. I am wondering if Poolman will ever tell us who he thinks did the background check on Obama before he was sworn in.

    Okay, I’ll play.

    Let’s say Obama is deemed a non authentic American citizen.

    What’s the devastating harm? What’s the secret agenda? Really. Who’s he batting for? Is this a threat, and if so, how?

    How many people’s lives hang in the balance?

    This is strictly no more than defamation of character, an attempt to separate someone from any “rights” and is much the way our Arizona immigrant BS gets handled. Sorry. It reeks more of bigotry or a sense of entitlement, or veering toward, shall I say it?

    I never thought Obama was not an American citizen. If it was proved otherwise, I would have been surprised, but would have accepted it.

  60. If Poolman thinks that a CNN reporter saying the word “missile” in front of the word “airplane” means something,

    The person who “slipped” was Tim Roemer, 9/11 commission member and DC insider. :neutral:

    Why won’t they release pictures of a plane flying into the Pentagon?

    That would easily prove their statements once and for all?

    They are holding at least 120 video tapes of it. At least that is what was confiscated. We have been filing FOIA requests, but those are still denied for “National Security” reasons – 10 years after the fact.

    That is our government flipping us off, folks. :evil:

    Is it ALL of our government? No. But who in our government is able to stand against “it”? This needs sunlight, as long as it is still day.

    Some equate this to “show us your birth certificate” bad. I see much graver implications than that. Demanding evidence is our collective responsibility, a civic duty since they represent us.

    A narrative is not evidence, and that’s all we have. That and three disintegrated skyscrapers. I once thought we were a discerning and brilliant bunch. :neutral:

  61. I fee embarrassed for even conversing with poolman, not alone letting him piss me off. I should have upheld my policy of ignoring him. My name is once again mud.” – DR

    I’ve been saying it for months, there is nothing that comes from him worth talking about. He’s psychotic, he’s delusional, and he’s a racist. Any one of those alone is enough for me, but he’s a fucking trifecta…

  62. R,

    We are defending Obama from Poolman as much as we are Bush, you dope.

    Read the stuff Poolman has said. He implicates Obama in the conspiracy, sometimes directly. I’ve documented it.

    As for your complete bull shit about what I let fly in the classroom, you owe me an apology. Your just making stuff up, desperado. A 100 percent fabrication on your part.

    Like the Truther idiots, there is another movement which claims Obama is a secret Muslim, paving way for Sharia Law. Its all over the place on the internet.

    Now, that’s the kind of garbage that is comparable to Poolman.

    You hear any of that kind of stuff out of us?

    The fact that you find our Obama bashing to be the equivalent of Poolman proves what a cluck you are for Obama in the first place.

    Nobody here is blaming Obama for mass murder. We think he’s a terrible president. At this point, I’m pretty sure you do to as you seem to be a political blogger who wants nothing to do with current presidential politics (you quit defending Obama 3 months ago or so).

    We don’t need outrageous lies to attack Obama, we merely need Obama to do so.
    ___________________________________
    That being said, let me try the following experiment.

    “Obama is secretly a member of Al Queda and I like brown sugar on my cereal”.

    Do I get one of these :) and a “Rabbit, I have to agree with you about brown sugar.”

  63. All you anti-Truthers …. where the f*ck have you been with the birthers? How is THAT not an insult to our country? To say the President is a complete fraud? To spread that nonsense to impressionable kids who might actually believe such sh*t. And you guys have the nerve to get stewed over Poolman. Rabbit … you really take the cake with your lecture about impressionable minds. You don’t give a flying f*ck how bad the propaganda is about Obama. Kids can believe whatever they want about him. No problem.” – R

    I believe I said that I thought he was a citizen and that he was using the “Birther” argument for political reasons. I also said that he would be best for the country if the birther position was true because we could more easily erase his growing list of failures, but I recognized that to be highly unlikely.

    Obama played the birth certificate issue to the hilt to try and deflect from his failings- it was a means to target the messenger rather than the message.

  64. R, no one here that I recall jumped on the birther boat. Although you highlight one aspect of Alfie’s comment — “guilt by association,” give it a rest.

    Gorilla hit the nail on the head. The guy held back his birth certificate so he could use it as a political “gotcha” rather than put the thing to rest. Everything, like scheduling speeches to preempt your political opponents, defines this guy. They are paper-thin and always backfire. He is inept and for that he deserves and gets criticism. Poolman is engaged in something entirely different, and you know it.

    So run back to Poolman’s defense if you must. The point obtains. Poolman selectively applies his skepticism of government and the media, and Behold! — there’s a pattern to it. His monomaniacal bent is indeed Elric-like.

    Ah, to find humor in the cracks in the Washington Monument — a distant memory.

    Tex’s blogging friend got it right as did Alfie. But we are in complete agreement. We both enjoy brown sugar on our cereal.

  65. From a man who accused Palin of naming her son after a genetic abnormality, one step above slandering the country that protects him? Then when proven wrong as Trig named after an Uncle, never said another word or even admitted he was wrong.

    From the man, who for three days accused Palin of “targeting” political opponents – until it determined Loughner is something near akin to Mullah Poolman?

    And you want to preach to us about bad behavior on your precious blog, Rutherford?

    It’s like being scolded by the rabid Fat Grannies abortion proponents, reveling in another million babies ripped apart in the womb, condemning me about my ‘hate filled’ nature.

    If the subject matter weren’t so grotesque, on a better day I might find both funny.

  66. Rutherford,

    It makes the claim that the four hijacked flights had pilots that were military trained. The names of the pilots and a google search seem to confirm that, though it is not something I had previously researched.

    The peanut gallery doth protest too much, methinks.

  67. My wife’s opinion is it’s because of our pride that nobody wants to believe any of the “truther” accusations. It may be true.

    We have tremendous national pride, and like many here that have expressed a seemingly love/hate relationship with our country, it resembles the pattern abused spouses fall into.

    I really would like to see some discussion of the points, rather than a total disgust with the subject or me for raising it. Like abusive relationships, burying the issue won’t allow for any healing.

  68. “US Air Force Auxiliary”

    Case in point, taking words out of context to portray them as something that they are not.

    Civil Air Patrol (CAP) is a Congressionally chartered, federally supported, non-profit corporation that serves as the official civilian auxiliary of the United States Air Force (USAF).[2] CAP is a volunteer organization with an aviation-minded membership that includes people from all backgrounds, lifestyles, and occupations. It performs three congressionally assigned key missions: emergency services, which includes search and rescue (by air and ground) and disaster relief operations; aerospace education for youth and the general public; and cadet programs for teenage youth. In addition, CAP has recently been tasked with homeland security and courier service missions. CAP also performs non-auxiliary missions for various governmental and private agencies, such as local law enforcement and the American Red Cross. The program is established as an organization by Title 10 of the United States Code and its purposes defined by Title 36. While CAP is sponsored by the USAF, it is not an operating reserve component under the Air Force or the federal government. Since CAP is not a reserve component of a uniformed service of the military and its membership is made up of volunteer civilians, CAP members are not subject to the laws governed by the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

  69. I really would like to see some discussion of the points, rather than a total disgust with the subject or me for raising it. Like abusive relationships, burying the issue won’t allow for any healing.

    Would I have discussed religious doctrine with Jim Jones? Or talk racial harmony with Louis Farrakhan? Would someone befriended Private Bradley Manning in the foxhole, or cheered Tokyo Rose during WWII? Sought membership with Cindy Sheehan or Code Pink in their imaginary battles?

    There is nothing that needs be healed besides your ingratitude. Your charges aren’t simply hideous lies – they tear at the very fabric of society, turning brother against brother.

    Direct your comments to the Lonely Hearts Club of Pfesser and Rutherford, who will overlook your clear insanity and borderline treason because you carry the right pedigree – an inane toady and bigot to be used, and/or one who voted for Obama and makes accusation against Bush and Cheney of mass murder.

    The last two months,you have gone from polka dot clown with bulbous nose and 38FFFF shoes, transparently covered with the facade of salvation, to mendacious demon straight out of the bowels of hell, always having to top the last reprehensible and unproven charge with another.

    You’re every bit like those butchers at Fat Grannies who celebrate abortion. And like them, you don’t even have the sense to be ashamed.

  70. § 9442. STATUS AS VOLUNTEER CIVILIAN AUXILIARY OF THE AIR FORCE

    (a) Volunteer Civilian Auxiliary.— The Civil Air Patrol is a volunteer civilian auxiliary of the Air Force when the services of the Civil Air Patrol are used by any department or agency in any branch of the Federal Government.
    (b) Use by Air Force.—
    (1) The Secretary of the Air Force may use the services of the Civil Air Patrol to fulfill the noncombat programs and missions of the Department of the Air Force.
    (2) The Civil Air Patrol shall be deemed to be an instrumentality of the United States with respect to any act or omission of the Civil Air Patrol, including any member of the Civil Air Patrol, in carrying out a mission assigned by the Secretary of the Air Force.

    It is still an intentional effort to portray the organization as something that it is not. Only when they have been tagged by the federal government for action do they fall under SecAF control. All other times, they are an independent, non-profit organization.

    Oh no, they’re the SECRET Air wing of the Illuminati!!! They’re coming to take us away. Oh my, they’re coming to take us away, ha ha…

    At best, you’re ignorant. At worst, you’re a liar. Either way, you’re a jackass.

  71. Fascinating forensic study of Flight 77 hitting Pentagon. I find this very convincing, particularly the way the animated model is synced to the only known video of the impact.

  72. Oh, PM … one more thing … your video from #84 also states that some of bin Laden’s takeout team got killed in that downed helicopter. From all reports that I’ve seen, none of the men involved in taking out bin Laden were killed in that incident.

    The problem with videos like #84 is that they throw all sorts of stuff at you rapid fire and you’re so overwhelmed you don’t take apart the various pieces. Very easy to slip outright lies and distortions into it.

  73. Do I get one of these :) and a “Rabbit, I have to agree with you about brown sugar.”

    LOL I found that amusing. For your sake, I’ll bypass the smiley emoticon.

    As for what you teach your kids, ok, I do owe you an apology. I wrote that comment in the heat of the moment last night. I just find it funny that you guys jump all over Fakename2 for playing net-nanny but when someone in this forum offends your sensibilities, you call for banning at the least and public execution ideally.

  74. Poolman is destitute of judgement. It’s too much sometimes. He’s such a cacophony. With an emphasis on phony.

    Tex, I agree. I think you’ve gotten to the marrow. I’ve noticed for some time that he gets really uncomfortable whenever abortion comes up. He pulls this dramatic feint about the matter having somehow already been settled but you (and others) just keep drudging it up.

    I’ve always read that as guilt.

    Rutherford, you mentioned the dispatchers answering with incompetence. What struck me was that we sometimes listen to people we think we should listen to when it’s precisely the wrong thing to do. The voice on the loudspeaker telling those people that the tower was secure and to remain at their desks. I heard one dispatcher practically ordering a man back to his office when he called in the emergency. It just struck me as noteworthy that along with two potentially life-and-death choices (fight or flight) – there is a third. Obey.

    And then there is the young-sounding broken-hearted woman who knows she is going to die. I don’t know what I would have said to her had I taken that call. Asked her to pray with me I suppose.

  75. The guy held back his birth certificate

    This is the part that always floors me. He did nothing of the kind. I have seen at least two different version of my birth certificate. I was born in New York City. The man produced a legal birth cert from the get-go. But it wasn’t enough for folks (not you in particular) who just couldn’t stomach a mixed race guy who lived abroad part of his life as President of the United States. I’ll grant that calling Tea Partiers racist is a stretch. But saying there is a serious racial tinge to the Birther movement is no great reach at all.

    And the fact is, that while none of you have declared yourselves birthers, none of you have aggressively condemned the movement for what it was, Like Gorilla, you took some glee in the whole kerfuffle and G outright admits he hoped it was true in order to provide an easy exit for this President he so disdains.

  76. Then when proven wrong as Trig named after an Uncle, never said another word or even admitted he was wrong.

    From the man, who for three days accused Palin of “targeting” political opponents – until it determined Loughner is something near akin to Mullah Poolman?

    Wrong on both points Tex. I dropped the “Trig” discussion not because I was proven wrong but because I decided arguing it was immature for starters and a waste of time since it was senseless conjecture. Our argument on that subject actually started when I asked you based on your medical training if you thought the conjecture had any basis in reality. Of course, you went off.

    As for Palin and Giffords … Palin played that hand poorly every step of the way. The targets weren’t cool but fine, others have used similar imagery in political battles. But when confronted, she played the victim instead of expressing sadness that her innocent use of crosshair imagery had been associated with a subsequent tragedy. I’m not gonna battle these old arguments again but believe me, I didn’t back off either of them because I was “wrong”.

  77. What struck me was that we sometimes listen to people we think we should listen to when it’s precisely the wrong thing to do. The voice on the loudspeaker telling those people that the tower was secure and to remain at their desks.

    Muffy I agree completely. I also heard about the second tower folks being told to go back to their offices (I think in one case, a fellow was ordered to do so). It’s tragic. I don’t think criticism of it is mere Monday-morning-quarterbacking. When stuff like this happens lessons must be learned.

  78. But saying there is a serious racial tinge to the Birther movement is no great reach at all.” – R

    R, do you know if he was legally adopted by his Indonesian step father?

    Do you know if he changed his citizenship when he moved to Indonesia?

    I’m playing Devil’s Advocate, but these are real questions Birthers have that have not been answered, and they are certainly important questions. I absolutely do take “glee” in the possibility that Obama could removed from the Oval office by force and thrown into jailed for crimes against the state. I know that won’t happen, but hey, a guy can hope can’t he?

    I’ll grant that calling Tea Partiers racist is a stretch.” – R

    Everybody note this, at 12:11 on the 12th of September, R admits the race card is thrown. Halleluiah and pass the Doritos.

  79. While I don’t agree with Tigre’s point, let’s go with it a second. You say Obama should have produced “the real birth certificate” from the get-go and failure to do so sparked speculation.

    So why is it not fair to say that Bush and Cheney’s opposition to a 9/11 Commission being formed should also spark speculation? It is on record that they opposed the commission. They were pressured into doing it by the 9/11 families and Joe Lieberman and (I think) John McCain. Could there be valid reasons for Bush to oppose the formation of the commission? Sure. But to any average person, it doesn’t look good just as it doesn’t look good to you that Obama didn’t go out of his way to prove beyond any doubt that he was a US citizen.

    Maybe I haven’t been reading closely enough but what is Poolman’s actual conclusion regarding 9/11? All of you state that Poolman feels Bush attacked his own country. Poolman … is that your real conclusion?

  80. “…lessons must be learned.”

    Exactly.

    9/11 lessons would be a long list.

    The inward lesson (one of them) that I learned was – Trust your instincts. You have them for a reason.

  81. BTW, Poolman you ask what happened to the wings of Flight 77. Airplane parts were found as documented in the reconstruction I posted. Where is it documented that wing parts were never found? After a catastrophic impact do you really expect to find intact wings?

    As for Tim Roemer, correction taken. The point still remains. The planes were used as missiles. His using the word missile is not a “slip”. It’s an accurate description.

    The problem with the Truther movement is that it looks for any little inconsistency, including cherry-picked quotes, to justify its claims.

    I know the rest of you guys are no big fans of my “radio” co-host Sandi Behrns but she made a very good point last night. She said that there is a part of the American psyche that just cannot accept that 19 scumbags with box cutters could do that much damage. To admit that is to admit our incredible vulnerability … and to admit just how easy it is to hurt us. So we come up with elaborate conspiracies to put our minds at ease that it MUST take more than 19 scumbags to do that much damage.

    In a strange sort of way, there is an aspect to trutherism that is patriotic. It is the refusal to accept that a great nation could be so badly hurt by such a low-tech, low budget attack. And while I am no expert on the truther movement, I’m sure there is some branch of it that does not blame Bush but simply says we don’t know the whole truth. For that contingent, the desire is for America to come up smelling less incompetent because the account of record does make us look pretty flat-footed.

  82. Oh, PM … one more thing … your video from #84 also states that some of bin Laden’s takeout team got killed in that downed helicopter. From all reports that I’ve seen, none of the men involved in taking out bin Laden were killed in that incident.

    The news reported it that way. I don’t know whether that has been recanted, but here is an account from NPR. We should recall that the account of OBL’s demise was told to us many ways, the final and official version is still vague and unproven.

    It is more evident today, 10 years later, that much more effort and money has been spent by the government to prove the narrative, rather than investigate the event. All investigative protocols were ignored and forensic evidence destroyed. Even the video sequence used in the reenactment model you posted is the only 1 of 120 videos that has been released for public consumption. Other angles would be much better proof, if that is the intent.

    We spent $175,000,000 investigating the Challenger disaster. The reconstructed shuttle is still held in store. Why haven’t these 4 aircraft been treated similarly?

    Why is it that John Q. Public has to prove collusion, complacency, treason, or corruption? We just want a real investigation. There are way too many holes in the narrative, despite the ongoing whitewash.

  83. “I am wondering if Poolman will ever tell us who he thinks did the background check on Obama before he was sworn in.”

    “Okay, I’ll play.”

    You didn’t play or answer the question.

    You stated that you never thought Obama wasn’t an American citizen because you assumed a background check was done before he was sworn in.

    Again….for the 4th time…who do you think did that background check? Telling us why you think it doesn’t matter is not answering this question.

    But it does prove that when you say stuff like “I think it is our duty to ALWAYS question government. We SHOULD hold them guilty until PROVEN otherwise.” that you are saying things that you don’t even believe.

  84. All of you state that Poolman feels Bush attacked his own country. Poolman … is that your real conclusion?

    I have previously stated that I don’t think Bush was in charge. I think he was easily MANipulated™ by others that did/do have an imperialistic agenda. I certainly think he knows the truth now. He does fear travel outside the US and p>has shown concern of being accused of war crimes.

  85. Again….for the 4th time…who do you think did that background check? Telling us why you think it doesn’t matter is not answering this question.

    I assume there are FBI, CIA, or some other alphabet agency tasked to do the investigating. Did they produce Bush’s birth certificate? I have no idea. Really. I could give a shit. It isn’t life or death.

    Now try answering 1 of my questions, instead of derailing the debate.

  86. Wrong on both points Tex. I dropped the “Trig” discussion not because I was proven wrong but because I decided arguing it was immature for starters and a waste of time since it was senseless conjecture.

    Once again you have dodged and contorted your back into a twist, completely missing the entire context of the real question at hand. How conveniently you forget your own deranged bile.

    You were proven wrong, as I gave you the source of the name from an Uncle. And I welcome anybody to go and back and review that entire discussion from a year ago last spring, and make their own determination of your honesty in that statement.

    The fact you even contemplate that kind of conjecture about a handicapped child masked under “it’s only about the mom”, and then argue its merits on this board proves you’re demented like the Poolman and Pfesser. That’s the point.

    It’s a bitter pill to swallow I’ll bet when your own form of religion has been proven such a sham – even to the point of defending a sorry SOB calling our own military baby killers. With liberals around, the false promise of liberal utopia never left us, and now it runs the country. Well, we can now all taste of its rotten fruit. We are the Ones….

    You have let this disappointment and epic failure of Dear “Styrofoam Column” Caesar affect you in so many negative ways, I’ve lost track. Instead of using it a learning experience and rethinking your positions, you’ve decided to jump in all the way to its inevitable conclusion of strife, death and destruction.

  87. “But it wasn’t enough for folks (not you in particular) who just couldn’t stomach a mixed race guy who lived abroad part of his life as President of the United States.”

    From a guy that thinks the stunning question for Cheney was “are you scared to leave the country for fear of being arrested?”

    Obama had a document that he, knew existed, told everyone existed, and spent millions of dollars to prevent from disclosing. It contained no military secrets, wouldn’t expose his staff at any level to prosecution (let alone investigation), would have terminated rather than perpetuated a politically-motivated trap, etc. Tell us all about it. :roll:

    R, I assure you, had Obama been a conservative of Scandinavian descent, I wouldv’e reacted exactly the same way when the left sought to use the lack of production to foster speculation that he was really a Nazi. “Why didn’t you show them the damn paper so we could move on.” I would’ve called him a punk too.

    So, you find similarities between Poolman’s accusations and the birthers. One you have ascribed to racism. The other?

  88. “I assume there are FBI, CIA, or some other alphabet agency tasked to do the investigating.”

    Those are all government agencies. Which takes us back to..

    “PROVE the media version. PROVE the government version.”

    And flies in the face of….

    “We SHOULD hold them guilty until PROVEN otherwise.”

    I don’t say you shouldn’t think or say what you want and I don’t say you should be banned or ignored.

    But I do say that your supposed non-partisanship is a bunch of bull and that your conspiracy theories seem to be driven largely by political alignment, rather than any kind of critical thinking.

  89. So, you find similarities between Poolman’s accusations and the birthers. One you have ascribed to racism. The other?

    I can answer this in two ways. First, not similarity exactly. I’m just saying birthers are in no position to criticize truthers.

    As to what I ascribe trutherism? Either extreme paranoia, love of country (as I explained in an earlier comment) or a combination of both.

  90. “Love of country?”

    Okay. I am absolutely gobsmacked.

    So, the birthers of course are motivated by “love of country,” right?

  91. Huck, what political alignment? I am a registered independent. I have stated many times I don’t think party makes a hill of beans. You want to go down a rabbit hole, try this one:

    http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html

    All along I have said there are GOOD and BAD in ALL folks, regardless of political party, religion, ethnicity, nation, etc.

    Do you think we should question government?

    Try answering one question.

  92. DR:

    Mild croup symptoms can usually be safely treated at home. Common treatments include using humidified air, which can be delivered by a cool mist humidifier. Using a hot steam vaporizer is usually discouraged because of the risk of your child getting burned if he touches it. Instead, warm steam can be delivered by turning on all of the hot water in the bathroom, including from the shower and sink, close the bathroom door and holding your child as he breathes in the steamy, humidified air.

    On cool nights, exposure to the cool nighttime air may also help symptoms, and this phenomenon is responsible for another characteristic finding of croup, the fact that children often get better on the way to the emergency room. To take advantage of this, it may help to bundle your child up and walk around outside for several minutes. It is probably not a good idea to keep his window open though, as you don’t want him to get too cold.

    http://pediatrics.about.com/cs/commoninfections/a/croup_2.htm

  93. R, you said at BiC’s that with respect to Krugman “it was almost as though [he] was talking in code.” I understood what he was saying and its intended effect. So did he. And it was ugly. That’s why he shut off the comments for “obvious reasons.” What are the chances that Krugman was motivated by “love of country?”

    (and before you argue that what I’ve just said is a departure, go back and re-read the quote from Tex’s blog friend — which expresses well what the real gripe is).

  94. Love of country.

    What a joke.

    While your radio show partner makes some sense, your leap to “love of country” is illogical.

    They fact that they can’t imagine guys with box cutters pulling something off so epic has nothing to do with “loving country”.

    Dude, keep trying. Grab any straw possible.

  95. Don’t know what Croup is, but I now the fear of running to the hospital fearing the worst (you’ll remember the wreck my wife had). I hope it’s not too bad and this proves only to be a good workout for your heart.

  96. “Do you think we should question government?”

    Yes.

    There ya go.

    I’ll even go for 2.

    “Huck, what political alignment?”

    Liberal democrat.

    Simply put, you have a propensity to apply your conspiracy critical thinking to conservative republicans over liberal democrats. You insist government be held suspect and deny its proof when it is a GOP government, while accepting, by default, the absence of proof as proof when it is a Democrat government.

    You don’t come here insisting there be 3rd party fact checks of Obama’s citizenship.

    You don’t come here insisting there be 3rd party fact checks on Obama’s cronyism.

    You don’t come here insisting there be 3rd party fact checks of Obama Internet fundraising tactics.

    You don’t come here insisting on 3rd party fact checks of Obama shovel-ready green agenda.

    You don’t come here calling for 3rd party fact checks on Obama’s rendition and black sites, or our involvement in Libya.

    All of this should be stuff that is in your conspiracy wheelhouse….and yet…it isn’t. And your big explanation for that is….”well I assumed someone checked so I didn’t worry about it.”

    I’m done. I have proven you are not a non-partisan critical thinker on the level that you try to sell to us or on the level that some of your adoring fans here think you are. And you have not proven otherwise, and, in fact, have continued to prove my point.

  97. So, the birthers of course are motivated by “love of country,” right?

    Well to be fair and consistent, one could go down that road the same way I did with the truthers. “I love my country and there’s no way I’m gonna let some for’ner be in charge of it!!!!”

  98. Since PM doesn’t actually give any proof debunking the 9/11 explanations, opting to point out only inconsistencies and unanswered questions, this video should put his mind at ease.

    It doesn’t actually show any proof of anything. Like PM, it simply points out inconsistencies and asks unanswered questions.

    Enjoy.

  99. “Well to be fair and consistent, one could go down that road the same way I did with the truthers. “I love my country and there’s no way I’m gonna let some for’ner be in charge of it!!!!””

    Actually…since it is in the constitution that the leader of our country NOT be a for’ner, I’d say that was neither fair nor consistent.

  100. “Well to be fair and consistent, one could go down that road the same way I did with the truthers. “I love my country and there’s no way I’m gonna let some for’ner be in charge of it!!!!”

    I would’ve preferred the admission that your just talking shit.

  101. It turns out Croup isn’t as ominous as it seems.

    I tell you guys one thing, I sleep with one eye open.

    His gasps for air were barely audible in the other room. Yet it was enough to wake me up.

    The down side to my sleeping style is sometimes I wake up swinging in total fight mode from the slightest disturbance.

    My wife has almost gotten her ass kicked on several occasions.

  102. What are the chances that Krugman was motivated by “love of country?”

    Tigre, first of all, I don’t consider your comment a departure at all. Second, do you believe Paul Krugman hates his country? I honestly don’t …. and I’m damn sure he thinks he loves his country. I happen not to agree with his article. For one thing it is poorly written. Maybe he doesn’t have the courage to be explicit in his accusations leaving room for libs to read what they want and conservatives to read what they want.

  103. “R, I assure you, had Obama been a conservative of Scandinavian descent, I would’ve reacted exactly the same way when the left sought to use the lack of production to foster speculation that he was really a Nazi.”

    You’re in luck, El Tigre. Obama IS a conservative of Scandinavian descent and he has been occused of being a Nazi. He is Irish on his mother’s side. Ireland is steeped in Scandinavian bloodlines, derived from multiple Norse conquests during the ninth and tenth centuries. His record in office appears clearly conservative: tax cuts for the wealthy, spending cuts, unauthorized military action, keeping Gitmo open, lifting EPA regulations, reforming entitlements. And he has certainly been accused of being a Nazi, by Newt and Rush on the air and on posters and signs at Tea Party rallies across the nation.

    You can now feel free to … react in the exact same way.

  104. Huck maybe it was the Orly Taitz association. It all seemed bogus to me. My bad? Actually turns out my “instinct” was correct. Or are you still in doubt?

    I have criticized politicians and peoples of ALL persuasion. Like most of those that frequent here, you only remember the ones that left a burr in your shorts because they go counter to YOUR biases.

  105. RUBE ALERT!

    Last week’s Standard and Poors announcement specifically listed the Republicans’ unwillingness to budge on revenues as a major reason for the downgrade. ~ Thorsaurus

  106. Thanks for the welcome, Rutherford. You gals and guys are fun. And Rabbit, boil some water on the stove or run a shower to put moisture in the air before your son goes to sleep. It helps a lot. My kiddo’s croup made him bark like a seal, pretty scary until you know what is causing it, inflamed vocal folds (cords).

  107. RUBE & LIAR ALERT

    And last, the big number. A number so big, it gets its own paragraph. A number so big, it will make or break the President in the next election. Unemployment. It stood at 7.7% in January 2009. It now stands at 9.1%. Unemployment is a lag indicator. In fact, the unemployment rate peaked at over 10% in early 2009. And it was starting to come down, ever so slowly, but at least it was headed in the right direction.

    Enter the tea party in January 2011. When the new Republican majority took office, they said the focus would be jobs. Instead, they read the constitution into the record, passed a budget that would end medicare but not deficits and brought us to the brink of default, causing a first-ever downgrading of the U.S. bond rating. ~ Thorsaurus

  108. Rabbit,

    That is somewhat unusual to have that problem in Michigan.

    When we first moved here, our oldest had a problem with it, and we were told that in Michigan, it usually gets cold enough to kill the virus that causes the problem to begin with.

    It helps to take him in the bathroom, and run a really, really hot shower while letting him breat in the steam.

  109. Rabbit, for $25.00 you can get yourself a cheap humidifier at someplace like Toys ‘R Us that plugs into the wall. Make sure you have a cool mist humidifier or as the vapor will burn. It’s the fastest way to relieve symptoms.

    I’m guessing that’s what they used for treatment last night in the emergency room, only with a respiratory mask. In the meantime, BIC is right. Any steamed room will reduce the bark cough in 5 minutes or so.

  110. Tex, yes, S and P downgraded us and yes, they named the Reps refusal to raise revenues as a major contributing factor. What’s your point?

    My point is that is a selective misquote, was retracted by the Chairman of the S&P, is entirely inaccurate and everything political, as was everything else I read on your frivolous blog. See if you can wrap your head around this Thor.

    It is called a “DEBT” rating for a reason. S&P downgraded the United States’ credit rating based on a complex formulation of DEBT to amongst other things GDP.

    Obama has accumulated over $4 trillion in debt in 30 months, though your hero promised during his campaign to halve the deficit. In 2010 alone, the national deficit totaled $1.65 trillion dollars – that is exactly ten times what the national deficit was four years ago. For two years, Dimocrats had sole control of the Treasury, and even then they were incapable of producing a budget.

    Our risk has nothing to do with party. It has to do with unsound fiscal policy of overspending, which Obama has managed to do like no other.

    P.S. – you giving Obama credit for the DOW Jones return of 50% was a real hoot. Guess the stock market is not your thinkg?

    So I guess using your own criteria, George W. Bush was a financial genius, as the DOW stood at 14,200 in Oct. 2007, approximately 6,000 points after 9/11?

  111. Thanks for the exit strategy Tex. Think I’ll stick around. I’m not sure what the link was for, we all know a lot of people are out of work. And the debt stat reflects the fact that Bush was handed a surplus and squandered it. Obama was handed a crap sandwich and you’re blaming him for the stench. I’ll reserve judgement on his administration until he has served a full term(s). Now, since propaganda is a nice way of saying I’m lying, where did I lie? Which numbers are incorrect? And if you doubt what I said about S&P, read the statement. It’s their words, not mine. Pay close attention to paragraphs 6 and 13. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/text-of-sp-downgrade-of-us-rating-2011-08-05 http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth

  112. “Tigre, first of all, I don’t consider your comment a departure at all. Second, do you believe Paul Krugman hates his country?”

    In its current form, “yes.”

    The question to you remains: was his commentary motivated by his “love of country?” I noticed you did not answer it.

  113. “You’re in luck, El Tigre. Obama IS a conservative of Scandinavian descent and he has been occused of being a Nazi.”

    Let me know when the left accuses him of it, and I’ll abide.

    So far, all I see from the left are the remnants of the hero worship that lead him into office and disappointment that he could not deliver skittle-shitting unicorns to the masses; not claims of Nazism.

  114. Tex,the Dow was at 10,900 when George Bush was sworn in and at 7200 when he left. That same 7200 was where Obama started and now we’re hovering a little over 11,000. My 401k has no political affiliation, but if it could talk, or at least gesture, I’m sure it would blow kisses to Barry and flip George off.

  115. Lol. I got a chuckle over Poolman’s Civil Air Patrol thing.

    For the most part, the CAP is an organization that provides a bonding outlet for nerdy fathers and sons who have habit of tucking their shirts in high above the belly button. The kind of dudes who are too flat footed for the military but know more about planes then Goose himself.

    They are good people actually. They volunteer because they think jets are really, really cool and for love of country.

    What’s next, the local Rotary Club?

  116. El Tigre, my bad. I thought Newt was a spokesman for the left after he bashed Ryan’s budget. Oh yeah, I forgot he un-bashed it the next day. Skittle-shitting unicorns … nice visual.

  117. Ha. Thanks R. He’s doing better.

    Maybe by 2044 the final barrier will be broken: The dreaded Eastern European last name.

    A President with a last name that sound like a disease that infects Yak tongues doesn’t invoke confidence, as of yet.

    When I’m not teaching my son that America attacked America on 9-11, I make sure he is aware that he ultimately will be held back because of his surname.

  118. LOL what a joy this is. Thor, you know you’ve gotten Tex’s goat when he starts “researching” your blog to start pulling quotes.

    I don’t know how you found this little corner of cyberspace but do indeed stick around. Libs here are outnumbered 10 to 1 so be prepared for a rough ride. :-) Your comment on Obama being a Scandinavian Nazi was classic.

    Oh … the link Tex pointed you to is the home of some really obnoxious progressives. Even a liberal like me has trouble swallowing them. The “chatterclatter” is an off-shoot of a more annoying site “Margaret and Helen” which purports to be written by two elderly progressive women. The good money has it that it is some lib dude suckering his readers into a huge put-on. Anyway … just giving you some background. When Tex points you there, it’s short hand for “you’re a liberal rube”. :-)

  119. Tex, not finding the S&P chairman’s retraction on Republican’s refusal to raise to raise revenue as a contributing factor to downgrade. I did see the retraction in regard to OVERSTATING the debt by 2 trillion dollars. Please post your link to this information. Thank you.

  120. The question to you remains: was his commentary motivated by his “love of country?” I noticed you did not answer it.

    Mmmmm I thought I did answer it. I said I was sure that Krugman thinks he loves his country. So yes, his commentary was motivated by that.

    For some reason I’ve got both your fake email addresses approved so as you see, you didn’t go into moderation.

  121. ” My 401 k has no political affiliation, but if it could talk, or at least gesture, I’m sure it would blow kisses to Barry and flip George off.”- Thor

    You might want to reserve those kisses for Obama’s banking buddies and the Bernank.

    Then again, you might tell those guys to suck your dick if you ever applied inflation to the mix.

    If Obama gets the credit, I’d love to hear your “progressive” defense for why Quantitive Easing and the last two years of monetary policy has been good for the common man.

  122. How many lies and misstatements can I count from the propagandist.

    And the debt stat reflects the fact that Bush was handed a surplus and squandered it.

    It’s a myth Clinton ever ran a surplus. A common misconception amongst rubes and the MSM. Clinton ran periodic monthly surpluses. Never a fiscal year. Correct your buddies for me, would you after you review the published facts below?

    http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo4.htm

    Obama was handed a crap sandwich and you’re blaming him for the stench.

    So was Bush and it was a double whammy. A tech bubble, explaining the serendipity of Clinton’s “magic” economy, then 9/11. Bush didn’t seem to have any problems after three years, as we were at 5.5% unemployment, then carried at or near full employment for the next four years. Why can’t Caesar Obama do the same? That is what he campaigned upon? You were the ones we had been waiting for, remember? And he was going to calm the seas? :lol:

    Now, since propaganda is a nice way of saying I’m lying, where did I lie?

    The DJIA sat at approximately 8,400 the day Obama took office. You can’t even get your facts right. It dropped 5.6% on El Bongo’s first day in office, signifying what Wall Street thought of the jackass. But if you’re dumb enough to think Wall Street signifies economic success, I’ll short your 401K in the next six months.

    And if you doubt what I said about S&P, read the statement. It’s their words, not mine. Pay close attention to paragraphs 6 and 13

    I don’t think a rube like you understands my point. We weren’t in position to be downgraded because Congress wouldn’t cooperate. We were in a position to be downgraded because Obama’s debt accumulation was unsustainable. Like I said, Obama has increase the U.S. Debt at 150% the rate Bush did. In addition, he has wasted $862 billion for his public slush fund which Obama promised would keep employment from every exceeding 8%. To make an analogy a lib might understand, your credit card request for increasing your limit for your maxed credit card was denied because you wouldn’t make nice with customer service rep. Complete and utter bullshit and lies.

    Finally, like you Rutherford is having a hard time accepting Obama has been a failure in every conceivable way, except one. Like you, Rutherford tries to sell failure every day. Guess you chumps didn’t get the message last November. Obama was Rutherford’s god child, until Obama proved himself more Hugo Chavez than Abraham Lincoln. Now he finds other subjects which to bloviate.

    And finally, Obama’s one claim to success…

    Obama gave the order to kill Osama. So what? He would have been impeached had he not. The credit doesn’t go to the asshole for President, but the Seals, with the secrets divulged in the enhanced interrogation techniques you clowns bad mouthed for five years saying they didn’t work.

  123. “Mmmmm I thought I did answer it. I said I was sure that Krugman thinks he loves his country. So yes, his commentary was motivated by that.”

    There was subtlety in your saying what Krugman thinks, nay nuance (that we all know only a lib could understand), that I thought you were applying. My bad.

    Sorry R. That profoundly ugly article was not the product of “love of country” — it was the opposite. But it’s nice to know that racism played no part in the birther movement — just love of country!

    I wonder whether the Tucson nut was just acting out of his love of country. . .

  124. Lol. I got a chuckle over Poolman’s Civil Air Patrol thing.

    Yeah, funny. :roll: The video claimed the commercial pilots were military trained. 3 did fly in the military while one never served but was trained at CAP. So the only debunk was aimed there. The CAP info was regarding the fourth pilot, one Jason Dahl.

    At 13, the San Jose, Calif., native joined the Civil Air Patrol and earned a scholarship for flying lessons. He was flying solo before he was 16, and while working at the municipal airport he did his best to wrangle flight time, including flying photographers over the area.

    Immediately following his graduation from San Jose State University in 1980 with a degree in aeronautical engineering, he became a corporate pilot. By 1984, he was a pilot with United Airlines.

    So who trains these young pilots? I guess you were not aware they are Air Force instructors.

    While there are many youth oriented programs in America today, CAP’s cadet program is unique in that it uses aviation as a cornerstone. Thousands of young people from 12 years through age 21 are introduced to aviation through CAP’s cadet program. The program allows young people to progress at their own pace through a 16-step program including aerospace education, leadership training, physical fitness and moral leadership. Cadets compete for academic scholarships to further their studies in fields such as engineering, science, aircraft mechanics, aerospace medicine, meteorology, as well as many others. Those cadets who earn cadet officer status may enter the Air Force as an E3 (airman first class) rather than an E1 (airman basic).

    Thus “military” trained seems valid, whether they enter the military or not. I learned all this just today. :grin:

    I find it interesting that this detail, of no major consequence, is the only pimple you see on the face of the total treason implicated in the video.

  125. Here is your statement Thor from the amateur Pravda propagandist’s blog:

    Last week’s Standard and Poors announcement specifically listed the Republicans’ unwillingness to budge on revenues as a major reason for the downgrade.

    Please tell me in the video where John Chambers, Head of S&P, once mentions the Republican’s unwillingness to budge on “revenues” as the cause of the downgrade. He even mentions that the Simpson-Bowles commission, which then leads into the Obama commission, then leading to Paul Ryan’s budget proposals would have turned the trick of preventing the downgrade if the deficit reduction had been $4 trillion instead of $2 trillion accepted. That is not revenue dependent Thor – that is a reduction in deficit by reduced spending and reform of entitlements.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/1097156771001/sps-john-chambers-explains-lowering-of-us-credit-rating/

    I’m calling bullshit on your statement of published “fact”, and believe if you should now correct the oversight on your blog. I won’t hold my breath.

  126. Obama gave the order to kill Osama. So what? He would have been impeached had he not. The credit doesn’t go to the asshole for President, but the Seals, with the secrets divulged in the enhanced interrogation techniques you clowns bad mouthed for five years saying they didn’t work.

    Tex, Tex, Tex. Thor is really bringing out the stinker in you! You talk silly, friend. Obama would no more have been impeached for passing on the Osama kill than George Bush was impeached for letting the dude get out of Tora Bora alive. So that’s just plain dumb.

    Second, the Seals acted on the authority of the President. On your more logical days, even you admitted Obama had to weigh factors before giving the order and it took some balls to go for it.

    It has never been definitively confirmed that torture ultimately led to the Osama kill. Some say yes and some say no. Such is the world we live in where everyone gets to believe their own set of facts.

  127. LOL what a joy this is. Thor, you know you’ve gotten Tex’s goat when he starts “researching” your blog to start pulling quotes.

    How could he have gotten my goat? He made one useless statement, Obama’s only success, and I simply wanted to know what this clown was all about. What I found was Pravda like propaganda from a garden variety lib.

    Why not go straight to a bullshit artist’s blog to get the necessary information to refute baloney? Isn’t it simply good methodology to burn a jackass with his own words, worm?

    What’s joyous to me is thinking about you living the past glory days of Harvard, while living in the apartment with Ozzie. :smile: You think about that when you revert back to playing punk, sport.

  128. Odd…

    I’ve been reading the S & P press release, and I don’t see anywhere it says that “a major factor” was the GOP unwillingness to raise taxes.

    In fact, the closest it got to saying such a thing was this:

    The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America’s governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in the debate over fiscal policy. Despite this year’s wide-ranging debate, in our view, the differences between political parties have proven to be extraordinarily difficult to bridge, and, as we see it, the resulting agreement fell well short of the comprehensive fiscal consolidation program that some proponents had envisaged until quite recently. Republicans and Democrats have only been able to agree to relatively modest savings on discretionary spending while delegating to the Select Committee decisions on more comprehensive measures. It appears that for now, new revenues have dropped down on the menu of policy options. In addition, the plan envisions only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements, the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key to long-term fiscal sustainability.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2011/08/05/sp-downgrades-u-s-debt-rating-press-release/

    That last sentance is far more significant, especially in light of this paragraph:

    Standard & Poor’s takes no position on the mix of spending and revenue measures that Congress and the Administration might conclude is appropriate for putting the U.S.’s finances on a sustainable footing.

  129. Tex, Tex, Tex. Thor is really bringing out the stinker in you! You talk silly, friend. Obama would no more have been impeached for passing on the Osama kill than George Bush was impeached for letting the dude get out of Tora Bora alive. So that’s just plain dumb.

    Wrong, Chicago. That sends a tingle up my leg. I hope Ozzie is well.

    Obama not giving the go ahead would have been like George Bush telling the troops to let Osama walk out of Tora Bora alive. There were no balls required in making the decision. Anybody sitting in the Oval Office would have done the same, and had they not, they would have been run out on a rail.

    And that is the only success of note. Like the Republican party going the way of the Whigs, hey? :smile:

    And enhanced interrogation techniques were exactly what identified the “trusted” courier’s name and location, which is eventually what led to Osama.

  130. Tigre, you’re confusing method with motive. Krugman can write the most vile stuff he wants but if he thinks he’s giving America a wake-up call and he’s doing it because he loves his country, well … there it is.

    Doesn’t mean you have to agree with him.

    This is one area where both libs and conservatives have messed up in the past ten years. Each side can say that Bush or Obama are total screw ups but to say either wanted to destroy the country is over the top.

    I think precious few people are truly sadistic. They do what they do to protect themselves and the ones they love, even when what they do looks objectively vile.

  131. What’s joyous to me is thinking about you living the past glory days of Harvard, while living in the apartment with Ozzie. :smile: You think about that when you revert back to playing punk, sport.

    Oooooo, you are in a nasty mood today (yesterday too if I recall).

    I had no glory days at Harvard and have been quite up-front in saying so. In fact, just said so over at the circle-jerk you Tigre and Gorilla had at his place last week. Sport.

  132. Thank you for the heads up Rutherford. I found your blog through the wp political bloggers alliance tag. I’m getting ready to watch the joint press conference … er, I mean debate on CNN. Are you going to watch it?

  133. Well Ozzie,

    You shouldn’t interject me by name trying to dogpile during the attempted whiff if you don’t want your squirrel sized nerts kicked up around your pencil neck to wear for earrings.

    My mood is the same today, yesterday, and last week – positive, with a touch of lib flu with the new arrival. I don’t care for appeasement and tacit approval of punks who call our military mercenaries either, so there’s a carry over of bad attitude.

  134. Other People’s Money….the single greatest cause of incurable Spenditol.

    King Putt needs to go back to treating the White House like a time share if this is all the brilliant planning he is capable of while putting his feet on the Resolute Desk.

  135. Anybody sitting in the Oval Office would have done the same, and had they not, they would have been run out on a rail.

    Well I have to give you credit for doubling down.

    I’ll beat Poolman to the punch on this one. Do you think if Obama let Osama slip away we would EVER have known about it? I seriously doubt it.

    Rumsfeld himself said torture did not lead to the identification of the courier. Like I said before, there are conflicting opinions on this one and few facts.

    Thanks for asking about Ollie. Unlike humans who concern themselves with materialism, cats just want food and a pot to piss in. He’s happy as a clam.

  136. BTW, I think Newt Gingrich thinks this is a joint press conference. Dude doesn’t seem to understand what a debate is. (And more troubling is the dumb audience clapping at his statement. Then again this same audience gave a hip-hip-hooray to TX death penalty.)

  137. with a touch of lib flu with the new arrival

    Ahhh asked and answered.

    I hear it helps to lock yourself in a bathroom with a hot shower running.

    Oh sorry, that’s for croup, not lib flu. :lol:

  138. Well, let’s just clear this issue up once and for all Sport and save Mullah Poolman the trouble of doubling down.

    I can say thank you Julian Assange, and actually mean it for once. if it weren’t for WikiLeaks, this might be very hard to prove.

    Bottom line: This was all made possible by making Khalid Sheikh Mohammed talk and that required the use of enhanced interrogation techniques, including waterboarding. The rest flowed (pun intended) from there and it took six years to come to a head.

    And make sure to take a good, hard long look at the screenshot for the hard proof.

    You can thank me later for setting the record straight with information your leftist shills continued to ignore, I’m sure by accident.

    http://www.therightsphere.com/2011/05/yes-enhanced-interrogation-techniques-led-to-bin-ladens-location-and-death/

  139. This is great! We’ve turned governance into a game show. Loving this drama. :lol: I can just imagine the head-set back and forth.

    Here’s your candidates America! :mrgreen:

    [get ready spot 1]

    Popcorn?

  140. Huck, you ask me once why I used the word Londonistan in a post. Not for argument, but as example of why I choose that word purposely.

    A small group of radical Islamists chant anti-American slogans and burn the US flag at a protest in central London on the tenth anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

  141. Blackiswhite, Comment 156 has a link to the entire text of the S&P statement, not just the press release. It specifically lines out the Republican stand on not raising revenue along with revised figures on how deep the recession really was, along with the use of the debt ceiling and possible default as a bargaining chip (thank you Tea party) along with both parties’ inability to make deeper cuts than were actually made. Remember the oath all the republican presidential candidates took. Not even ten in cuts for one in revenue addition.

  142. R, I don’t want to blow your later viewing, but just one snipit. Bachman just doubled down on defaulting, with a smile. Maybe she needs to read the entire text of the S&P statement. The Newt clip was good, thanks.

  143. Ok Tex, I wasn’t watching the ticker as he was sworn in. We’ll use your number, 8400. Bush enters at 10,900 goes out at 8,400. Obama enters at 8400. Today’s closing 11061.12. Up 68.99. My 401k is still giving George the finger. And BTW, if the market went down the day Obama was sworn in, why would it be because he was sworn in? I mean, wouldn’t those really savvy investors that use technical terms like “short” have realized he was going to be
    President way back in say … November, when he was ELECTED. Why did they have to see his hand on the bible before liquidating their large capital exposure and diving into safer securities. Double rube on you.

  144. Over the last 3 years, your 401k was built on the back of the working poor.

    What a joke.

    Do you actually think your 401k is up because of fundamentals and a healthy economy?

    And are you that far removed from the street to not notice the rise in food prices and commodities?

    You do understand why QE was unprecedented and how it effected Wallstreet, don’t you?

  145. This is like teamwork. Masterful. Smart answers. Good script. The production – top notch. The tempo has been great. Woohoo!

    Last round, Bachmann smacked Perry down. Good girl. She does the smart girl dumb-girl really great. Man, she is genius.

    The Romley/Perry screen shot is the decided central theme.

    Obamacare is the definitive hot potato, tonight. Wow. How many times is it used. People will count. I bet over 50 times, mostly by MB.

    Awesome entertainment!
    The writers must be thrilled.
    Opening night’s always a bit jittery.
    Back to the show… :grin:

  146. By the way, the Dow was simply over sold in 2009, for obvious reasons.

    I can’t believe Dow 11,000, which I swear was hit the 1990’s, is used for bragging points, these days.

    Talk about depressing and a sign of the times.

  147. “Tigre, you’re confusing method with motive.”

    No I’m not. In this instance, motive begets method. And I say so for love of country. :lol:

    p.s. Nice to see you so energized by your new friend.

  148. So Obama’s responsible for the dow climbing, and the re-thugs are responsible for the downgrade. Good one. Obama’s a lock.

  149. “Huck, you ask me once why I used the word Londonistan in a post. Not for argument, but as example of why I choose that word purposely.

    A small group of radical Islamists chant anti-American slogans and burn the US flag at a protest in central London on the tenth anniversary of the September 11 attacks.”

    And as an example of why I called you out for it…

    “The group of around 100 men shouted “USA terrorists”, brandished anti-American placards and chanted through a loud hailer.”

    You’re placing judgement on many by the actions of a few.

  150. “Obama’s never been responsible for anything in his life.”

    Touche!

    Is it possible that the downgrade is responsible for the Dow climbing? In which case. . . ah, forget it. Obama’s masterful even when he’s. . . not.

  151. Be sure to check in on the circle jerk at Gorilla’s place. R really tore the ass end of all of us there. :lol:

    (gay reference intended. don’t get jealous thor.)

  152. Man, Whoreasorus got me looking at Dow milestones.

    Man, it would have been nice being a proper investing adult in the 90’s.

    I graduated in 91, so, had I been not the Dead Rabbit, its entirely possible I could have joined the party.

    One thing about the military, there is an opportunity cost serving even in peace time.

    Not that I had the maturity or foresight to do anything if I didn’t serve. And its entirely plausible to save while in, I suppose. (I think I made around 450 bucks every two weeks.)

    That being said, the economic advantages of a working adult saving a nest egg that graduated college in 1990 compared to 2000 is insane.

  153. Thor, the 8,400 is correct, making everything else you say about the market suspect – your facts wrong, your timing skewed, your tired, parroted lines about investment indicating economic illiteracy. That was the official post on your own blog, and it was poorly researched. You should correct it to save face with your lackeys.

    Why did they have to see his hand on the bible before liquidating their large capital exposure and diving into safer securities. Double rube on you.

    Wrong Thor. The rubes on this board tilt left, and you’re falling off the table. The market is a future predictor and this graph I have produced shows the market moved most precipitously downward in Oct 2008 when it became apparent Obama would win. The market acted with alarming predictability, smart money knowing Obama was a sham.

    On that particular day in Jan 2009, which I remember well because it was the blackest day in American history as we had just elected a charlatan for President, there was absolutely no fundamental reason for a precipitous drop – the smart money moved long before November when it became apparent Obama would win. The fall that day was clearly an intended and planned shot across bow indicating what investors thought of Obama’s proposals and his staff. How prophetic they have been.

    Obama has been a dismal failure in every economic capacity. His foreign policy is a joke. Dialogue with terrorists? What a joke. Mahmoud spits in Obama’s face, Putin called Obama a coward, Afghanistan a disaster where American soldier deaths have increased 500% under Obama’s oversight. Obama’s own generals mock him, every economic rat Obama brought in from academia is now left the sinking ship. The military would overwhelmingly vote against Obama. He is a malignant narcissist and a loser.

    Personally, I don’t think he’s coward. I think he is an appeasing fool.

    Rabbit is clearly right in the market over corrected as has been its nature for the last 12 years. The market actually went to 6,600 under Obama in his first year in office. If he was so dynamic and so right, it should have immediately jumped in 2009. It did not – it dropped another 25%.

    Now, you explain something to me genius. Why have we lost over 3,000,000 jobs under Obama when we have incurred more than $4,000,000,000,000 in debt? Again, over $4,100,000,000 a day, $3,000,000 a minute under Obama. In addition, this chump has almost doubled the regulation cost of business, killing both manufacturing and heavy industry.

    I could go on and on, but clearly Obama is clueless on how to fix things. He needs to go.

  154. You’re placing judgement on many by the actions of a few.

    Not at all. I even noted as much in my comment to you.

    But if you think this is some small fringe group in London, then answer me why they would have no reservations in acting this way? They clearly are not threatened in manner or speech.

    I know you’re not naive enough to believe there’s one hundred Muslims so terrifying, they can cower an entire city with adverse opinions. I have friends living in London. There are entire sections that cops won’t even venture. It is a city that clearly has been infiltrated by radical Islam.

  155. Guys, I listened to the debate night, trying to be unbiased. I’ll give you my unvarnished truth. It’s really hard to win those, because the answers so rushed, there is never time to respond appropriately.

    IMO, you don’t win those debates – but you can lose them.

    CNN can’t even get their numbers correct on the board – they’re worthless. But the debate was good and fair – unlike that feckless MSNBC shit, topped off with a pile of dogshit named Chaz Maddow.

    But I can tell you who they don’t want to run against their pet boy – you can always tell by Gloria Borger, a queen bitch and hard core lib and this Roland Dumbass (a complete and utter buffoon who looks like a black gnome). Rick Perry is the one they fear. Gloria the ugly twat, is scared shitless Rick Perry is going to be the candidate.

    I can’t tell you who I think won, as I thought most candidates held their own, including Bachmann, Perry, and Cain – all who did fine. Ron Paul actually has some very appealing points – even his take on personal responsibility for health care which drew huge boos, but his point is hard to argue against. Hell, we argue against a nanny state and then boo when somebody doesn’t play nanny. I especially liked his conversation on the abominable Dept. of Education – everybody on that stage should have said the same as Paul – get rid of that POS. However, his foreign answers are so suicidal, he’s out. He can no more be elected than a man in the moon.

    As always Newt is a professional debater. Nobody could beat him in Washington in a debate – it’s a shame he carries too much baggage. If I were President, Newt would definitely be on my staff as VIP. Perry had the toughest job because he is the front runner and he took the most shots. A few of his policies questionable – personally I think the vaccine much ado about nothing – there was a parental opt out option. Bachmann demagogued the issue, making her look weak – ignore the cheers – and that is her biggest weakness. But Bachmann is infinitely smarter than Palin and a far better candidate.

    I was far more concerned with Perry’s policies on illegal immigrants attending colleges, but I also know Texas demographics is much different than any other state and that was almost unanimously approved by the legislature. Nonetheless, it gave me pause on his position.

    Huntsman is an asshole and tool – I don’t know why he’s even on the stage – his positions garbled, his attacks lame. He even looks like a dick and probably enjoys one too.

    But the worst performance of the evening IMHO was Mitt Romney. Though I would definitely vote for Mitt over Pres. Zero, I was not impressed in the least. He comes across as an excited frat boy.

    Had the roles been reversed and Bachmann attacked, I believe she would wilt.

  156. That was an entertaining recap.

    I feel guilty for not watching. The bread and circuses here so damn riveting, though!

    Tigers playoff tickets went on sale, today.

    Michigan football pulling off legendary come backs.

    Lions, trying to knock up the ol’ lady, my day job, internet battles with poolman, softball.

  157. Geez Tex, got me there. October 2008, Obama victory unstoppable. Markets crash, and not just here but all around the world, even in communist countries where you would think a socialist would be very popular. It’s almost as if maybe something else was contributing to it … but what was it, nothing as important as a possible election of a suspected Kenyan. Well, there was that pesky press conference where Paulson and Bush handed the country that three page ransom note, er, I mean TARP legislation. But that couldn’t be it. I mean why would the world markets react to toxic assets and CDS’s spreading there financially poisonous tentacles when really important documents like birth certificates needed to be examined.

  158. When I called you rube Thor, I couldn’t have been more accurate. The real estate bubble to deal with troubled mortgages occurred in Sept 2008.

    Here’s the dateline to stir your memory:

    September 7: Federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which at that point owned or guaranteed about half of the U.S.’s $12 trillion mortgage market, effectively nationalizing them. This causes panic because almost every home mortgage lender and Wall Street bank relied on them to facilitate the mortgage market and investors worldwide owned $5.2 trillion of debt securities backed by them.
    September 14: Merrill Lynch is sold to Bank of America amidst fears of a liquidity crisis and Lehman Brothers collapse
    September 15: Lehman Brothers files for bankruptcy protection
    September 16: Moody’s and Standard and Poor’s downgrade ratings on AIG’s credit on concerns over continuing losses to mortgage-backed securities, sending the company into fears of insolvency. In addition, the Reserve Primary Fund “breaks the buck” leading to a run on the money market funds. Over $140 billion is withdrawn vs. $7 billion the week prior. This leads to problems for the commercial paper market, a key source of funding for corporations, which suddenly could not get funds or had to pay much higher interest rates.
    September 17: The US Federal Reserve lends $85 billion to American International Group (AIG) to avoid bankruptcy.
    September 18: Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke meet with key legislators to propose a $700 billion emergency bailout through the purchase of toxic assets. Bernanke tells them: “If we don’t do this, we may not have an economy on Monday.”
    September 19: Paulson financial rescue plan is unveiled after a volatile week in stock and debt markets.

    Since you have voiced Obama as our economic savior on your POS blog, and there is little dispute that after Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy, Obama jumped well ahead in the polls and never was threatened again, why would the market have not stabilized, TARP or no TARP with messiah Obama now clearly headed toward the Presidency in Oct 2008?

    But since you doubt me and blame TARP, lets take a look at Jan. 2009 – March 6, 2009, Obama’s first six weeks as president.

    Jan 20, 2009 8402.04
    March 6, 2009 6626.94

    My, my? What happened? Where’s the magic?

    I can see why your a big fan of Obama Thor. You’d fit right in at the Clatter Kitchen. I’m telling you, you would love the place, even be given a password to the “bin” like Imam Poolman. He’s a rocket scientist like you.

    Well, there was that pesky press conference where Paulson and Bush handed the country that three page ransom note, er, I mean TARP legislation.

    Of over which was handled and approved under the auspices of one Barack Hussein Obama and his administration.

  159. Of over which was handled and approved under the auspices of one Barack Hussein Obama and his administration.

    Should have had a half in there…

  160. Congrats on the probable Tigers post season. My Angels are trying hard to join them.

    “But if you think this is some small fringe group in London, then answer me why they would have no reservations in acting this way? They clearly are not threatened in manner or speech.”

    Freedom of speech?

    Someone in the US can burn a US flag and it is protected speech. This is burning a US flag in London. At worst you are looking at a fire code issue.

    “Keep your head in the sand, Huck.

    It will make it easier when they decide to remove it.”

    Oh me, oh my. The boogeyman is coming! 100 out of 1,500,000,000 were seen burning a flag yesterday! Maybe I’d better elect Rick Perry to save me!

  161. Naive…or is it purposeful with ulterior motives? Perhaps your hatred of Israel? Perhaps you don’t realize the Arab Spring will soon turn into the Arab Winter? Perhaps you don’t realize Turkey, the country you always use as example, is slowly capitulating into radical Islam?

    It doesn’t matter whether it legal – nobody is arguing that. What matters is the message it sends.

    If 100 ‘people burned’ a U.S. flag on 9/11 and chose to do that in mid-town Manhattan, they would be beaten to death and you know it.

    If they had done it to a British flag, blood would have been spilled.

    My friends in London know better. Death to America!

  162. Well Tex, I guess the magic came after March 6 2009 until well, now. Today’s closing 11016.12. So I guess we disagree on when the market was interested in Obama. Apparently you think he was a factor from October of 2008 until March 2009, odd but whatever. I was going with the actual days he was in office, but since cherry picking is apparently allowed, I’ll go with March 2009 until now. Wow, thanks Tex. I thought going from 7200 to 11,000 was good, but now I know it was actually from 6626.94 to 11,000. Even better. BTW, TARP was signed into law in October, 2008.

  163. Man, tough crowd for Ron Paul. Give up our conquests? Never!

    Yeah, Paul had a rough night. Speaking truth about foreign policy will get him nowhere. But I give him major kudos for not backing down. Damn he even had the nerve to suggest that our own policies might have partly precipitated 9/11. How dare he suggest we look to ourselves every now and then when we get our ass kicked.

    But then this was clearly a f*cked up crowd. They cheered at the notion of letting the uninsured die in the street and then cheered again at the notion of them getting help from charity and churches. That’s some Christian good will at work there boy … one minute you’re dead cos you don’t have health insurance and in the next minute Pastor Jones is passing the plate around for you. The hypocrisy is stunning!

  164. I’ll give you my unvarnished truth.

    Let’s just be glad Tex ain’t picking the GOP candidate.

    Cain is good with the quick quote and fancy rhetoric. I love his 9-9-9. Cain is Palin with brains. Unlike the girl from snow country, Cain clearly opens books and studies them. He has improved debate to debate. I think he got caught flat-footed a couple of debates ago and it is clear he decided that would not happen again.

    While I am no big fan, I think Bachmann won the argument on the vaccine. I also think she’s ignorant as hell, probably one of those nimrods who opposes vaccines in general. But her point that it was Perry’s position and NOT his method that was wrong won the day IMO. If I recall correctly, Santorum piled on there too. This was a better night for Bachmann than last week. She really came out swinging and her “allegiance to principle” should make her appealing to the Tea Party crowd.

    I love watching Romney condescendingly smile at Bachmann as though to say “you’re such a twit but I’m a gentleman so I’ll stand here and let you keep talking.” I still think Romney rolls with the punches better than anyone else on the stage. He has that bad flip-flopper record to overcome. I think he’s done a great job so far in the debates. I also like the fact that the man does not apologize for Romney-care. I’m tired of politicians who back away from what they did when it is politically convenient for them to do so.

    I think Rick Perry had a very bad night. Not nearly as good as the MSNBC outing last week. When Bachmann hit him with that drug company collusion accusation, his answer was basically “I’m insulted”. She won that one. I also love how TX protects life …. except for all the folks they execute. :-D

    Newt Gingrich is a legend in his own mind. He impresses guys like Tex who have lots of degrees. He’s an over-intellectual who in the end says nothing meaningful. And Tex calls him a great debater. Pfffft. The dude won’t debate the people on the stage (as I documented earlier in this thread) therefore he can’t be a great debater. By the way, is he having a love affair with Rick Santorum or what?

    Speaking of which … Santorum’s best line of the night was when he was asked if he agreed with the governors on the stage and he countered that what mattered was if they agreed with him. I did like that. Still, the man looks like he has clammy hands. He gives me the creeps.

    I can never get enough of Ron Paul in a debate. Contrary to Tex’s opinion Ron Paul is 100% right on foreign policy and his question about how we would feel if China kept troops here to protect her interests sums up the point brilliantly.

    Jon Huntsman is not a very strong debater but I still find him a decent man and one of the only truly balanced guys on the stage, Therefore, he’s toast. :-)

  165. Thor, Tex like so many uses the Dow as it suits him to make political points when on his more honest days he admits the Dow reacts to complex and subtle triggers from around the world.

    I don’t even go that far. I say the Dow is as volatile as the gamblers behind it. Whenever the prognosticators blame a single factor for the Dow dropping, I consider it nothing more than Monday-morning quarterbacking with sudden genius 20/20 hindsight.

  166. Tex,

    If you give up the Pajamas Media Kool Aid one-sided POV and consider that Israel in it’s current form is a major deterrent toward any kind of peace or democracy, then hopefully you could see this ongoing conflict with clearer eyes.

    You are Islamophobic. Seriously. It’s this anti-christian armor that you’ve strapped and carry wherever you go that leaves no room for righteousness. Who is it you are carrying this for? Seriously – no yoke. Take a good look at who feeds you.

    Most times you are no different than those you ostracize.

    The fact is no people are alike. Unique. All part of one planet. It is not American, and doesn’t want to be. The land you are living on was overtaken by spilling blood. You are not he first occupier and defender of that piece of dirt. Guaranteed Steward. Likely you won’t be its last.

    People protest for different reasons. Sometimes it’s propaganda aka political reasons. Other times it is from desperation or injustice.
    Learn to discern them. Learn to accept people “as is” and uplift rather than tear down as a rule, for God’s sake. A piece of cloth, no matter how symbolic, is never worth a life. You aren’t winning any new converts with what you’re serving. Not your goal, I know…

    ________________________________

    AFA the political debate… I thought Perry lost points and even Bachmann put him in his place. He and Romney were the show horses, though. Most frames were of the two of them.

    Paul got slighted a little and Huntsman was just an arrogant ass.

    I thought Newt really knocked some big GOP homeruns and made sense like he can when he wants. He scared the shit out of me with his prophetic nuclear threat which unfortunately is probably more real than rhetoric, given his friends.

    Romney’s too smooth. Perry stumbled out of the chute and got hobbled a few times besides. The more he talks, the more he hog-ties himself.

    All in all, I think that except for Paul, it was a team effort. Cain was even sane and almost main. Wow. It was fun. It was like watching a relay there for a while.

    I’ll agree with Rutherford about the crowd. Pretty rough. Bachmann and Perry had the crowd, I think. Newt can rally them though, got to give him that. In the end, he’s still a newt.

  167. “Turkey, the country you always use as example…”

    You must be thinking of someone else. I don’t use Turkey as an example for anything. I don’t talk about Turkey, except for when PM brought it up recently.

    “It doesn’t matter whether it legal – nobody is arguing that. What matters is the message it sends.”

    You asked why they were so comfortable doing it. I said because they could.

    “If 100 ‘people burned’ a U.S. flag on 9/11 and chose to do that in mid-town Manhattan, they would be beaten to death and you know it.”

    And what message would that send? That we will act violently when offended? That when it comes down to it we are no different than Muslims who kill over a cartoon?

    Remember…the only speech that ever needs to be protected is speech we don’t like. Nobody tries to silence those who say what we all want to hear.

  168. “Israel is the West’s spoiled child,” he said, “to this day it has never executed a decision by the international community.”

    Asked about Turkey’s downgrade of diplomatic relations with Israel, he vowed that his nation would not back down until Israel apologized for its forces killing eight Turkish citizens and an American of Turkish decent aboard an aid flotilla seized in international waters on its way to the blockaded Gaza Strip. “Israel cannot play with our dignity,” he said.

    He faulted the United States, as well, for failing to demand a similar apology for the killing of its citizen in the commando raid. “One of the victims was an American from Turkish origin, but America did not protect the right of its citizen after that,” he said.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/13/world/middleeast/13egypt.html

    Yeah, there is an uprising in the Middle east. If you see reports of terrorism, look closely at who is doing it, not necessarily who it is blamed on by the MSM.

    __________________________

    Remember…the only speech that ever needs to be protected is speech we don’t like. Nobody tries to silence those who say what we all want to hear.

    Yes! That’s the truth! Yes!

  169. R, I think Huntsman was toast the day he embraced science. He’s just getting his name out there for 2016. If Perry keeps flopping in debates but holds his lead in the polls, someone somewhere is going to start speculating that Romney’s Mormon faith is costing him the nomination. It could get ugly.

  170. This has been interesting watching Tex and Thor go back and forth.

    I’ll say this, Wall Street and Obama are very, very close. Don’t believe me? Look here, here and here. QE2 and the stimulus was essentially a pay-off to Wall Street and the Unions, which is why they didn’t stimulate the economy or create jobs.

    I chuckle at the Clinton surplus meme because it almost always ignores the Republicans ascension in the House, which by the by, controls spending. I’ll give Clinton credit for shifting to the center by co-opting GOP issues (Welfare reform) to counter the 1994 mid-term, but it was mostly GOP controls on spending that brought those projected surpluses. Counter that to the current pResident, who has essentially doubled down on unions and Wall Street, hoping they’ll pull his ass out of the fire.

    Well, as I’ve been saying for a few weeks now, we’re in a recession now. 3rd Qtr numbers will be a negative and with plummeting consumer confidence, high unemployment, and oppressive government regulations, we’re going to see negative 4th qtr growth as well. That will be the technical definition of a recession and will leave Obama with essentially no time to technically claim the double dip has ended. It is my assessment that he is already toast because when these drop, it’s gonna sound an awful lot like a guillotine…

  171. “I love watching Romney condescendingly smile at Bachmann as though to say “you’re such a twit but I’m a gentleman so I’ll stand here and let you keep talking.”

    Me too. He’s playing this right. Stand there with a canary-eating grin and let the others pile on your only real opponent. My sense is that he’ll run the distance.

    Frankly, I’ve never understood the “he’s too slick” observation, though I do hear it a lot. For republican from Massachusetts I think he holds his own as well as can be expected for the baggage he’s got to carry.

    Not impressed with Perry’s approach to SS being a states right issue. That’s just ludicrous.

    Huntsman’s still a pussy. No wonder the left likes him.

    Bachmann? I’d still hit that.

    Everyone else is irrelevant.

  172. On a previous topic:

    Found this in my inbox this morning; I’m an IEEE member; this is a good consumer-level discussion of electric vehicles. Not very technical, but goes through the problems, including overloading local transformers.

    http://theinstitute.ieee.org/technology-focus/technology-topic/going-electric-things-to-consider

    As Tom Friedman said, the final common currency of energy is electricity; we will eventually solve the battery problem, which is the last remaining hurdle, and internal combustion automobiles for personal transportation will be a thing of the past IMHO. A good thing; I can’t wait to see those bastards in the Middle East try to eat their oil.

  173. Mr. Lawson, what do you think of the timing, tenor and content of Krugman’s two-part masterpiece? For real.

    (And please don’t give the “right to say it” or “love of country” dodge that could also be applied to the KKK under your standards).

  174. Tex, if you still doubt there was a surplus under Clinton, doubt no more. http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/

    You’re not terribly bright, are you? I should have assume as much from your blog.

    I provided you the video of the head of the S&P explaining why, and you still don’t get it? See Brother Poolman for further instruction.

    And I just gave you the published statistics from the Treasury Dept. itself, and yet you want to revert back to the partisan Fact Check, a lib shill group masquerading as fact? :twisted:

    Let’s try this again, and you see if you can find a surplus anywhere on this list for a fiscal year that shows a surplus, again reminding you these are the published numbers by the Treasury. I’m going to assume you can tell which number is larger from one year to the next, though that’s a big assumption about a lib.

    http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo4.htm

  175. You are Islamophobic. Seriously. It’s this anti-christian armor that you’ve strapped and carry wherever you go that leaves no room for righteousness. Who is it you are carrying this for? Seriously – no yoke. Take a good look at who feeds you.

    Coming from a man that hates his country and a cult member of Lyndon LaRouche, and never misses a chance to tear his country down even referring to our military as mercenaries, I wear that charge with a badge of honor. Heretics calling themselves Christian but invariably reaching the wrong conclusions, actually affirm my faith, strengthening my own belief and validating to me I am beginning to see things quite clearly.

    Yes, yes I am Islamophobic. I’ll go further and state Islam’s founder is a pedophile, an illiterate monster, a false prophet straight out of hell where he now resides with the ultimate deceiver, and has trapped 1.5 billion people in a pagan belief that carries with it a clear history of destruction, turmoil and death. Nothing good has ever come from Islam, nor will it.

    And if predominantly Muslim countries didn’t happen to sit on the biggest reserves of the world’s one commodity absolutely necessary to drive the world’s economic engine, and I don’t think that by random chance but planned from the beginning, we wouldn’t hesitate to call Islam what it is.

    Good Muslims don’t say they prefer death to life for nothing…

  176. and internal combustion automobiles for personal transportation will be a thing of the past IMHO. A good thing;

    Why do you hate poor people?

    Seriously. If you take all those cars that run on gasoline and diesel today, and switch them over to electricity tomorrow, what do you think that increased demand does to the price of electricity?

    Now add a pResident who has publically declared his intention to put the coal industry out of business, and shake up with continued permatoriums againbst domestic oil development and the usual hand-wringing paranoia about nuclear power.

    I know, “green” energy will save us! Oniy wind has its own issues, and even combined with solar, it couldn’t hope to meet the increased demand that it would cause, especially when those solar companies only seem to excel at sucking up taxpayer dollars, then going belly-up.

  177. As Tom Friedman said, the final common currency of energy is electricity.

    An interesting conclusion, and I read once in my MCAT manuals noted, the concept of energy is incredibly hard to define.

    My personal opinion would be closer to defining the final common currency as the breaking of bonds and entropy, i.e., being most human physiology is not electrical, but chemical in nature.

    But your point is well taken Pfesser, as even that ion based. I’ll have to give that some thought.

    And I do hope you’re right about batteries. If I had my choice, our next moon mission would be a concerted effort for America to remove ourselves from foreign “energy” dependency. Surely, every American could get behind that goal.

  178. Frankly, I’ve never understood the “he’s too slick” observation, though I do hear it a lot.

    I dunno. I look at him, and I always get the sense of that guy in high school. You know the one. The guy with the square jaw who always threw the winning touchdown pass, the winning pitch, that last second jump shot, and slept with everyone’s girlfriend. You knoiw, that guy.

    I also can’t shake the impression that like Dole, and McCain, and others before him, he thinks that this is his turn, and he’s due the job because he’s paid his dues running for the position.

  179. “Good Muslims don’t say they prefer death to life for nothing…”

    Good Muslims don’t say that and you are hardly the one to be casting judgement upon good and bad Muslims, anyway. You don’t know jack about them or their religion.

  180. If I had my choice, our next moon mission would be a concerted effort for America to remove ourselves from foreign “energy” dependency. Surely, every American could get behind that goal.

    But Tex, “Drill here, Drill Now” is just dumb. All the right people say so.

  181. It’s interesting to me what Libs use as both source and proof. Here, we have a garden variety leftist and rube using the Annenburg foundation as “fact”, with their verification the Congressional Budget Office. :smile:

    That would be humorous to everyone involved if they knew the history of the Annenburg Foundation and its left-wing agenda.

    You can actually give a lib published numbers by the very source that provides us our $14.5 trillion dollar deficit number, and still they will seek solace in something to spin on the front and left wheels.

    I find that fascinating how the leftist mind works. The amount of energy consumed to lie to themselves continually must be staggering. It’s no wonder they have little brain power left to do much constructive. Ever given a leftist a project to do, especially leftists in mass? I used to watch this in corporate America all the time. They stand around like children, looking for direction.

    Perhaps that’s the essence of the failure Obama. He has either been stroked or been lied to for so long by those communist sympathizers who help raise him, he doesn’t even realize what a dismal failure he has been?

    Even Rutherford, a math major no less, and after observing a political rout not ten months ago, with historical routs in state offices, still lives in denial of reality that Obama is destroying his own party. Race trumps philosophy, I guess.

    I have found Rutherford perhaps the most useful of the leftist tools I read to determine, through his own projection and a form of reverse psychology, always remembering that whatever Rutherford recommends for Republicans, the best route to success is to choose just the opposite of what Rutherford recommended. For three years, it has been a fail safe rule of operation.

    Long live the Whig party. :wink:

  182. Good morning Tex, Boys, I trust you slept well last night. The link was fact check, but the numbers were from the CBO. But before you explain how communist Kenyan midgets have infiltrated the circuit boards at the CBO, I’ll give you a source we can all read together. Your buddy Gorilla in post 228 credits the Republicans with the projected surplus. And your link to the debt numbers is awesome, but cut short. A budget is a reconciliation for future expenditures. The first budget Bush signed was in 2002. The surplus came from a budget with Cigar Billy’s okeedokee on it (trying to rube it down for you). And as far as backing your points with Fox clips, did you really expect Cavuto to ask him, “Can you explain why Republicans were specifically named in statement.” You would have seen a big red hook come out and drag him off the stage.

  183. But Tex, “Drill here, Drill Now” is just dumb. All the right people say so.

    Exactly BIC. And considering the source of people who think it dumb, that is exactly why it is the right course of action.

    And this is my own oversight. I haven’t been using the tools properly to seek the advice of the most prescient counsel, and it is time that all of us do so.

    Our first course of action, when in doubt of any course of action or policy, should be to come to this board and seek counsel from Rutherford, maybe even Poolman’s advice. You can’t get more wrong than that.

    And then we will know exactly which path we should follow.

  184. And as far as backing your points with Fox clips, did you really expect Cavuto to ask him, “Can you explain why Republicans were specifically named in statement.” You would have seen a big red hook come out and drag him off the stage.

    That’s right. I forget Goldberg. Anything on Fox invalidates the words of someone who just told the truth, but doesn’t fit the Dimocratic message – even in video format.

    My mistake.

    Of course, the man did talk for three minutes explain with hard numbers which would have prevented the downgrade, even naming the Ryan Plan by name.

    How much does that increase taxes revenue again? Jog my memory, will you Goldberg?

  185. You know what I think is fun?

    When people who think that they have a right to what other people have earned decide to lecture us all about the greed of the people they would steal from.

    That NEVER gets old.

    So I put the question to our resident advocates of others “Paying their fair share”…How much is enough? How much total of an evil rich person’s income should they be allowed to keep after paying Federal, state, and local income taxes, property taxes, and sales taxes? What percentage of their income shoud they be allowed to keep? And after you disincentivise further productive economic activity and hiring of people by these evil rich folks, how are you going to make them continue to make these generous “contributions” to the economy?

  186. “Good Muslims don’t say they prefer death to life for nothing…”

    Well, that begs the question. How do I determine which Muslims are good?

  187. PFesser, The Middle East will never have to eat it’s oil. A full third of oil production goes to processes other than fuel. Look around you. A lot of what you see is made from oil. That’s why China is trying to get its hooks into Central Asia. Even if they went green tomorrow, they would still have a great demand for oil. Thanks for the link though.

  188. What percentage of their income shoud they be allowed to keep?

    Is that not why we elected Caesar Obama? To administer to the serfs all that is necessary, minus the $10MM or so per year for Shelly’s wardrobe and the kid’s vacations at Monaco and Martha’s? Go ahead and take the other jet. I’ll follow along in A 1.

    Render unto Caesar!!! (And the Annenburg Foundation).

    He was THE ONE we had been waiting for. The seas have calmed, the land is blessed.

  189. but the fact is that Tex can read a history book the same as anyone.

    And the fact is history has been written and rewritten by the victorious distorts truth. You should know that since Texas is the leading refactorial state in the B’libel Belt..

  190. Frankly, I’ve never understood the “he’s too slick” observation, though I do hear it a lot.

    I’m with you Tigre. If anything, Romney tends toward the “awkward moment” rather than being slick.

    I didn’t pay much attention to him in 2007 but I have to admit just on a gut level I like the guy and this is odd because having been laid off, I do recognize him as the dude who calls me on the phone and gives me the bad news. I don’t tend to like mean politicians and Mitt just comes across as a nice, polite guy.

    In answer to Thor’s comment on the Mormonism, there are lots of pundits already saying he’s toast for that. The Southern Conference (to borrow an idea from Chris Matthews) will reject him for that. He’ll have to get the nomination on the backs of midwest, west and northeast GOPhers.

  191. Screw drilling, let’s just accuse Canada of producing WMD’s and jump their ass. And while we’re at it, we can shoot all the polar bears. Their demise keeps blowing holes in my global warming denial. Sure it will create sum bad pub for a while, but after the next season of Idol starts, no one will even talk about it again. White bears? Are you kidding me. There’s never been white bears. That’s a liberal myth. Now pass me my ice cold, PCB laced drinking water. This heat is killing me.

  192. I could never treat America’s Hat™ that way.

    Besides, having worked in the House of Commons, I can definitively say that we don’t want or need Canada’s problems.

    And the global warming was so bad here this year that they couldn’t open Chinook Pass until JULY. When its that work, its hard to discourage all the nude sunbathers…Because nothing says “globull warmening like iceicles hanging off exposed nipples in June.

  193. Mr. Lawson, what do you think of the timing, tenor and content of Krugman’s two-part masterpiece?

    I didn’t bother to read his second piece which doubled down on the first.

    The timing clearly sucked. As I said over at BiW’s place, I found the tenor and content cryptic. To me, he was talking in code. Could I interpolate? Sure I could, but I found the piece very odd in its lack of elaboration.

    For some of us, 9/11 anniversaries are a time to revisit the grief of that day or to celebrate the damage we did to al Qaeda in the years since. Both are legit reactions in my book. For others, the anniversary reminds them of everything they disliked about the Bush administration and some just can’t hold their tongue.

    I was in a car dealership parking lot yesterday waiting for my wife to drop off her car for service and I was listening to liberal talk radio (yes, to my shock, such a thing exists). I was taken aback by how it was just as offensive as anything you might hear from Rush Limbaugh. They used the occasion of Bush’s appearance in Shanksville and NYC to bash the guy. The female host, whose name I forget, said he should just “shut the hell up”. I haven’t heard Bush’s speech yet but I have heard it was moving. I also find it equally moving that in NYC Bush and Obama, the two men who have shared the burden of Afghanistan, stood side by side.

    Sorry … I digress. 9/11 put a hornet up Krugman’s ass. He needed to take a laxative instead of publishing his article.

  194. But Tex, “Drill here, Drill Now” is just dumb. All the right people say so.

    Because Tex likes you he won’t tell you that you missed the point BiW. Drilling is not the alternative Tex advocated. He advocated a concerted effort to perfect the battery. And I agree with him that everyone should be able to get behind developing an environmentally friendly and efficient energy source that frees us from servitude to Saudi Arabia.

    Now I’ll wait for Tex to tell me how he loves drilling for oil.

  195. And my point, R, is that you simply can’t mandate such an advance into reality, regardless of what Commerade Obama and Commerade Holdren would have us believe. “Nudging” with higher CAFE standards and “necessarily skyrocketing” energy rates brings us rousing successes like the Chevette, and contributes significantly to the decline and failure of those American businesses and their Union jobs. (The Union and stupid managment tricks also paly a significant role, but government shouldn’t be reloading the gun when the parties are shooting themselves in the foot.) The market can drive efficiency far better than choking regulation meant to wish new and better forms of energy into reality.

  196. Drilling is not the alternative Tex advocated. He advocated a concerted effort to perfect the battery.

    Wait no more. It was you that missed the point “R”. I don’t like BIC better. He is better and much clearer headed than you. You both write well – it’s just that his make sense. :wink:

    My comment to Pfesser was I hope we can perfect the battery. And while we are waiting X years to do so, Drill, Baby Drill. And we can start in the Gulf and ANWR.

  197. Let me tell you what “the market” has brought us. Parts that are built with a “life” to them so they only last for a designated time to ensure future revenues in perpetuity.

    I’ve watched it in every industry, and it is counter to America’s former motto of “built to last”. The new motto is “built to last till the warranty is up”, now that we got you hooked.

    Yeah, it’s time to replace my truck’s timing belt. :evil:

  198. Goldberg,

    Screw drilling, let’s just accuse Canada of producing WMD’s and jump their ass. And while we’re at it, we can shoot all the polar bears. Their demise keeps blowing holes in my global warming denial.

    What frickin’ decade are you living in? I guess you missed this, hey?

    JUNEAU, Alaska (AP) — Just five years ago, Charles Monnett was one of the scientists whose observation that several polar bears had drowned in the Arctic Ocean helped galvanize the global warming movement.

    Now, the wildlife biologist is on administrative leave and facing accusations of scientific misconduct.

    The federal agency where he works told him he was on leave pending the results of an investigation into “integrity issues.”

    Oh, I get it. You’re still stuck in 2008 genuflecting to your life size statue of Obama. Understandable. :smile:

    I guess you also missed ClimateGate, RainForestGate and HimalayaGate too, and maybe even this?

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/25/cern_cloud_cosmic_ray_first_results/print.html

    or even this?

    http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html

    Man, you need to stick with Obama’s prowess on Wall Street. Uber Lib, Uber Rube.

  199. Since politics is be all and end all, which American player personally do you think had the most influence in directing this country where it is today? Be honest, if you can. — Poolman

    George Herbert Walker Bush

    Dick Cheney

    Lyndon Johnson

    Bill Clinton

    Ronald Reagan

    Richard Nixon

    George W. Bush

    Jimmy Carter

    Gerald Ford

    John F Kennedy

    Barack Obama

    This is from a couple of threads ago but I just saw it and can’t resist questions like this.

    PM, I’m confused by your rating of Bush 41. I’d say Lyndon Johnson in that his administration put social politics on the front burner and changed the way we view government’s responsibility toward the poor and minorities. I think it was a fundamental shift based in morality that makes many of today’s debates so difficult.

  200. let’s just accuse Canada of producing WMD’s and jump their ass

    Yeah, it always made a lot of sense when you lemmings were out shouting, “No Blood For Oil!” in your pussy pink shirts, being we got approximately 3% of our imported crude from Iraq, and even less now. In conjunction with domestic reserves, what’s that make up of the total? 2.6%? Math never was your guy’s thing. I’ll bet you were a liberal art’s major, weren’t you?

    I kind of like your WMD charges, except Canada will provide hydrocarbons via the pipeline, hopefully right through your backyard.

    Let’s get Mexico instead.

  201. I just wish someone could explain how an event that is supposed to be a surprise was so well scripted.

    Anybody at all care to comment on 80 where a building is reported to have fallen 20 minutes BEFORE it did? Huck wouldn’t even try.

    In the least, these media “prophets” SHOULD be recognized. :neutral:

  202. ET, sorry it took so long to reply to comment 232, I had to find the original link. He can be ashamed if he wants, I’ve never been fearful of other people’s opinions. But he has no right to tell me or anyone else how I feel. 9/11 was personally tragic to so many. But as a nation, I believe it was one of our finest days. We came together. Americans are noble and for the most part try to mind their own business. But did he really think we could get attacked and it wouldn’t get exploited by some politicians somewhere. Isn’t he doing exactly what he is accusing others of? If he really wanted to make that point, he could have posted that article back in May. It would have added some creedence to his argument.Of course, in May, it wouldn’t have been noticed, and he knows it. I think the no comments thing is sort of chicken sh*t. Taking my soccer ball and going home at it’s worst. (The soccer ball was for you Tex.)

  203. R @255, glad to hear you found it objectionable. One of my co-workers was recounting having stood by the towers mesmerized at the sight of people jumping. We talked through our experiences that day. I read Krugman later. I wanted to find Krugman and punch him in the face for his “contribution.”

    But I will say, the timing of his gem (much like his blame casting on conservatives within something like two hours after the Tucson shooting, and 30 seconds before your tweets) coincided perfectly with the criticism of Poolman and his “motives.” The timing of these are are not just ill-conceived. They are not coincidental. They are not merely reactive. They are premeditated, deliberately controversial, impure and offered with a conscious disregard of the consequences to good people (“I will turn of the comments for obvious reasons”).

    I hate that it is difficult to denounce for many on the left.

    Certainly an intellectual giant like Krugman (cough, cough) could see the irony in penning accusations that others exploited the 9/11 tragedy.

    Just kidding. . . douche bags like him seek to do harm to the American psyche to elevate their own, nothing more.

  204. Parts that are built with a “life” to them so they only last for a designated time to ensure future revenues in perpetuity.

    It’s funny that you say this PM. My 18 year old 27 inch color TV finally gave up the ghost after almost two decades of flawless service. When I posted this status on Facebook, one of my friends suggested that my replacement was highly unlikely to last that long.

    I hate to say it but I fear both he and you are right. :-(

    P.S. I almost cried watching my wife haul it to the dumpster. Felt like a death in the family. I knew that TV longer than I knew my wife.

  205. “The guy with the square jaw who always threw the winning touchdown pass, the winning pitch, that last second jump shot, and slept with everyone’s girlfriend. You know, that guy.”

    That’s how I would describe Perry more than Romney. To each his own. Neither fucked my girlfriends — that I know of.

    The criticism is one hear so much, I know there’s something to it. I find Romney well-prepared not “slick” or “too polished.” But hey, we’re talking about intangibles.

    I really did get a sense that Perry will flame out. I’m usually wrong on these types fo predictions though.

    I agree that the Mormonism is the real problem for him.

  206. Plastics can be made at different densities and durabilities. It is primarily by adjusting the petroleum products used. These have been integrated in every aspect of of lives. Unfortunately they do emit harmful toxins as they deteriorate, but more important to business, you can build varied and versatile forms with known result.

    The pool industry loves it’s plastics. Parts drive the profits.

  207. Anybody at all care to comment on 80 where a building is reported to have fallen 20 minutes BEFORE it did? Huck wouldn’t even try.

    PM it was also reported that a car bomb was detonated in Washington. There was lots of erroneous reporting. Are you saying the media was complicit in the deception?

    How bout just another example of incompetence, which abounded that day?

  208. “The building they are reporting that has collapsed is still standing in the background. What are we supposed to attribute that to?”

    For someone who claims to be on a constant search for truth, you don’t seem to look very hard. I found this after less than 5 minutes looking.

    Of course, I don’t expect you to accept this information because it doesn’t feed your preconceived assumptions. And you have already admitted how much weight you give to your assumptions.

  209. I am getting frustrated to no end with this blog. I’ll tell you why.

    Obama and his policies have been so damned inept in every regard, we never get to discuss the real meat of how corrupt Obama and his entire regime really are. We could spend months just picking apart the criminality of Obama and his friends. We practically have to ignore the juicy stuff just to carry the message of how monumentally incompetent Obama is trying to get back and forth to the White House.

    Rutherford, you’re so damn busy sweeping shit like Solyndra’s embezzlement and bankruptcy, and Operation Fast & Furious (Obama’s Iran Contra), it swept you clear to the Midwest.

    Right there, are two good reasons that we need to park Obama’s wormy ass in front of Congress and proceed with his impeachment. Eric Holder we can just hang from the Congressional Building from that statue at the top.

    And I’m sorry I said I wanted onion booty Michelle frogmarched to the curb with Obama. I know that caused strife and bad feelings between the two of us.

    What I really meant, is that I want Shelly picked up by the nape of the neck and thrown head first threw the doors of the White House, while we launch Obama to the curb.

    My mistake and I’m sorry if I misspoke out of character. :wink:

  210. “M’chel can balance her war on my kids’ cookies on the back of her enormous ass.”

    Which was created by her hypocritical love of burgers, fries and shakes.

    I guess its all good as long as the meal doesn’t come with a toy.

  211. Tex, post 261. I guess I’m Goldberg now, I must have been giving rubes a bad name. Oh, there it is at the end of the comment. I’ll give you another one you can use, Opensaurus. Suprised one of the smarter guys (that excludes you Tex) hasn’t come up with it already. But, back to the master of cherry picking. So this dumbass got caught cheating. Who cares. If you want some actual empirical evidence (of course you don’t but some others might) flip to page 72 of the July 2011 National Geographic. “Since 1979, the extent of summer ice has declined by about 30 percent.” And before you claim that Nat Geo is a communist rag, I believe Rupert owns a piece of it. The cable network anyway. It’s about a ten page article, but whatever you do, don’t read it. Show me a Fox clip of someone telling me it’s a farce. OK, I know you won’t read it, so here’s an anecdote for you, since that seems to be what really impresses you. They are f*cking grizzly bears. I’m sure it’s not their first choice. F*cking a grizzly sounds pretty risky to me, but when your species is dying out, you’ll do what you have to. We can argue about the cause, but anyone that denies climate change is happening is, well, a rube. Quadruple rube on you.

  212. Of course, I don’t expect you to accept this information because it doesn’t feed your preconceived assumptions. And you have already admitted how much weight you give to your assumptions.

    Actually, I had no problem with the link.

  213. I deny the so-called science and proof of climate change.

    We’ve actually been in a cooling period which makes your less-than-astute cause and effect observations a crock. But even if we weren’t, the so-called evidence of anthropogenic warming is hardly settled. But your uninformed beliefs certainly are.

    Start here, then let me know when you want to get into it.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/24/lord-monckton-wins-global-warming-debate-at-oxford-union/

    You’ve had “Thorazineosuarus” before?

  214. Goldberg, are you in 2011 yet? Just making sure.

    We can argue about the cause, but anyone that denies climate change is happening is, well, a rube. Quadruple rube on you.

    Does anybody here deny climate change? Why just this week, a few leaves on my trees started turning color, signifying fall could be just right around the corner.

    I’m going to go way out on a limb where angels fear to tread and make a prediction. In about three weeks, we are going to be experience global cooling, climate change if you will, in the northern hemisphere. Almost amazingly, Australia’s continent will begin to warm.

    It’s a damn paradox, I tell you.

    I’ll see if I can find something about seasons in National Geographic and get back with you. I cancelled my freebie some months back, but they keep sending them to me anyway, begging for my membership. I wonder why?

    P.S. – You’ve got another Obama medal coming your way. Today, The One set another new record. The man’s a genius.

    Poverty Soars, Sets New Record. Appropriate El Bongo is standing with a spatula in his hand. Perhaps you too Goldberg can get an autograph at the soup kitchen. :wink:

  215. Tex, comment 263. “… being we got approximately 3% of our imported crude from Iraq.”

    Yeah, that seems kind of silly, unless, I wonder if there’s any left in the ground. HMMM … (thumbing through book, quickly) Oh, here it is. Oh my. It appears that Iraq ranks 4th in known reserves. 115,000,000,000 barrels. Now, I’m not no math wiz, being a liberal arts major and all. But that looks like a pretty big number to me.

  216. Goldberg, you know what I love most about your presence here?

    Yeah, that seems kind of silly, unless, I wonder if there’s any left in the ground. HMMM … (thumbing through book, quickly) Oh, here it is. Oh my. It appears that Iraq ranks 4th in known reserves. 115,000,000,000 barrels. Now, I’m not no math wiz, being a liberal arts major and all. But that looks like a pretty big number to me.

    It’s your predilection for the irrelevant, and Poolman has a friend.

    Did I question anywhere to your lowly responses that Iraq didn’t have the 2ND largest reserves in the world (your info is not up to date), right behind the Sauds? Wiki is a lousy source. Looking, looking, looking…Nope.

    So let’s see if I can follow the leftist mind. We attacked Iraq with the purpose being to steal Iraq’s reserves under the lies of WMD, but we left the reserves there for….what? Big Oil? The Bush Empire? Israel?

    I know! Halliburton and Darth Cheney?

    Did I get it right?

  217. “Poverty Soars, Sets New Record.”

    All part of the democratic party design.

    Put everyone into poverty and then claim to be the only group that cares about the poor. Force them to go to the government in order to live, and then sit back and rule the country for decades by spreading fear that the other guys want to starve you to death or push you off cliffs.

  218. Post 282. Damn, ET, you’re killing me. I gotta get out and mow the back yard or Mom is going to kick me out of the basement for sure. Now I have to read your link and then go down to the children’s library and check out a book to refute it. Not that you care, but I’ll be back. I promise.

  219. You’re going to refute Tony Watts?

    Ok. Bring your “A” game. And remember for every carbon indulgence you buy, Algore gets to grow his already ginormous carbon footprint. But you and the other Gaia worshippers can sit around in the dark and cold and tell each other how great you are for “saving all of those resources for Algore to squander the planet.”

    Maybe if you are really generous, the Church of Algore will send you a smelly hippychick to release your fifth chockra.

  220. and then sit back and rule the country for decades by spreading fear that the other guys want to starve you to death or push you off cliffs

    While telling you that Granny can’t have that hip surgery.

    But its ok. Zeke Emanuel and his fellow rationing ghouls have already decided that she had a “complete life”, so she needs to shut up, take the damn pill, and die already…you know….fffffffooooorrrrr the chiiiiiillllllddddrrreeeennnnn.
    .

  221. Careful Tigre,

    Post 282. Damn, ET, you’re killing me. I gotta get out and mow the back yard or Mom is going to kick me out of the basement for sure.

    This man Goldberg’s creativity and originality in retort, in addition of his astute observations from economics, to science, to the greatness that is Obama, might overwhelm the senses. I’ve had snot fly out of my nose twice.

    Do you recognize the kind of genius it takes to copy notes from Fat Grannies to burn Obama’s political opponents down?

    We may be over matched. :mad: But Rutherford has earned another brother-in-arms.

  222. Thor, I said “start.” Better go to the big boy library — that ain’t Wikipedia either. But you don’t have to read shit if you don’t want to. Just don’t come here tell us all (especially me) that it’s settled science if you’re just repeating the shit you hear about Polar Bears.

    I have little doubt you started at a children’s library though.

  223. I was quoting 2003 numbers from the Oil and Gas Journal and the Energy Information Administration. Seemed relevant since we decided to liberate Iraq in March of … 2003. Tex, your linear thinking is soooo linear. Try brainstorming or an energy drink or something. Trapped you like a cross-breeding pizzly.

  224. LMAO. Give me two f*cking seconds. I can’t even get to the f*cking link. And as far as copying Al Gore’s fat grandma’s website or whatever, I don’t know how to copy sh*t. I can’t even cut and paste your comments. That’s why I keep having to retype all your b.s. Speaking of copying, that hippychick reference has me jonesing for a video from Soho “Hippychick” circa 1990. Can someone do that?

  225. You know what I really think Goldberg? I think Obama hates poor people.

    http://ihartpolitics.com/?p=308

    I’m telling you. You’re missing your life’s mission.

    Clatter Kitchen is the appropriate place for your four dimensional thinking and anal probing. The creme de la creme of in-depth internet blogging, and only a few are qualified to enter its pearly gates. Most of us have been rejected from entering, even Rutherford Lawson.

    But Mullah Poolman has risen to its glory. You could join him and his 72 virgins. Why would you waste your talents with a crowd of serfs, when you could reside with the archangels of The Kitchen?

    http://chatterclatter.wordpress.com/

  226. “You deny me the rare liberal who makes a go of it here?”

    He’s got a point guys. R was beginning to suckle at the teet of al-Poolman for lack want of sustenance. The same thing happened with that Anabaptist guy from Kentucky after G-chin left. Desperation and loneliness does strange things when one is marooned on an uninhabited island of irrational thought. . .

  227. You deny me the rare liberal who makes a go of it here? How uncharitable.

    Ha! Do I go into Fat Grannies seeking comfort amongst the Living Conservatives? I go seeking the sick, the lost, the ignorant of Liberalism.

    Besides, when you chunk another rock, it makes it so much easier when all the bleating sheep are herded together to hit one of them. But your damn website is so slow, too many of the drones floating over would cause undue hardship.

    Mullah Poolman alone must pull 80% of the bandwidth with his alien videos and subliminal Simpson hidden message replays.

    I rather like this Goldberg Rube. Another weeble.

  228. The same thing happened with that Anabaptist guy from Kentucky after G-chin left.

    Dan.

    Mr. “Let me presume your agreement with my tangential point rather than discuss the issue before us”.

    I can’t believe you forgot him. But I think you’ll agree that we all remember him now, amirite?

  229. R was beginning to suckle at the teet of al-Poolman for lack want of sustenance. The same thing happened with that Anabaptist guy from Kentucky after G-chin left. Desperation and loneliness does strange things when one is marooned on an uninhabited island of irrational thought. . .

    You got a very legitimate point. I never thought I’d read the day Rutherford, so desperate for lefty friendship, would latch on the Jim Jones assistant’s teat, just so he could have the milk of liberalism.

    That’s like staying up through the night to watch Rosie O’Donnell reruns.

  230. Who can stay up watching Rosie O’Donnell, she makes me shrink faster than an ozone layer. Thanks for the link to Hippy, BLISW. Was that Michele O? Ok ET, I got to the link and I can’t see why anyone voted for the global warming guys. 110 points, they must have been drinking. I mean, did the guy really bring personal attacks and “everybody knows it” instead of sources to a debate? It was like I was reading a screenplay for a Disney movie. He had every attribute of the evil villian except Snidely Whiplash’s mustache. Ok off to get my kids book. I have to defend Lord Dumbass’s honor.

  231. “Mr. “Let me presume your agreement with my tangential point rather than discuss the issue before us.”

    No, no, no. Let me demand your agreement with my obvious and tangential point, then rephrase eight different ways demanding agreement with all eight, then . . . uh. . . what the hell ever happened after that?

    Oh yeah. Start all over again when absurd non sequitur went unaccepted.

    Oh Dan the Man. We barely knew ye!

    Of course I could just be blocking you know.

  232. Still makes me squirm. And Rutherford kept leaving a trail of crumbs for the beast to follow. . . :lol:

    (If you think you’re going to get me to look back at Dan’s swan song, your trick ain’t gonna work).

  233. “Ok ET, I got to the link and I can’t see why anyone voted for the global warming guys. 110 points, they must have been drinking.”

    Click around Numb Nut. You obviously don’t get what happened there. Or you could lecture us about the ever-expanding population of polar bears as proof of global warming as shown in the Subaru adds.

    Try visiting here if you want enough dissent from climate scientists to make your head explode:

    http://www.climatedepot.com/

    Sheesh.

  234. The same thing happened with that Anabaptist guy from Kentucky after G-chin left.

    Dan.

    Yeah whatever happened to Dan? I know he got badly wounded at BiW’s place if I recall. BiW’s gang tore him limb from limb.

  235. Happy Belated Birthday Rutherford~

    Who loves you baby?

    Better late than never Muffy. I hit the big 5-0 back in June. Hey, from one of your recent comments I realize we are now neighbors. If you ever run into a real short guy with a cane and a bad-ass case of scoliosis, that’s me! (Just in case you don’t recognize me from my picture. :-) )

    Oh one other way you could tell …. if you ever see a dude getting a beat down from a bunch of angry conservatives … that’s probably me too. :-D

  236. Yeah whatever happened to Dan? I know he got badly wounded at BiW’s place if I recall. BiW’s gang tore him limb from limb.

    My GANG??? GANG???

    Hahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

    Whatever.

    Seriously, he got mauled like a chewtoy because he wanted to talk about everything but the topic.

    I don’t need to establish groundrules and parameters of a discussion inorder to have a discussion. Especially when it’s my topic and someone else is trying to call the tune.

  237. “Oh one other way you could tell …. if you ever see a dude getting a beat down from a bunch of angry conservatives SEIU members … that’s probably me too.”

    Conservatives don’t beat handicapped black men. Union members do.

  238. Conservatives don’t beat handicapped black men. Union members do

    :lol: Good one. True, and still a good one.

    We could make a special exemption for Rutherford, couldn’t we? At least steal his cane? He’s always accusing Republicans of stealing something….money, elections, hope and change, something.

    Ah, we’re just teasing you “R”. How about just a wedgie? :smile:

  239. The only good Republican is a dead one. I’m rooting for a civil war so I can put a bullet in their heads. I’ll probably find that more satisfying than killing Iraqis.

    By Lloyd C. on 9/13 at 11:46 AM

    Reads like this guy took Obama’s new civility to heart, hey? :twisted:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/181157-liberal-democrats-unveil-jobs-platform-to-the-left-of-obamas?page=3#comments

    Man, this is going to get ugly next year. :neutral:

  240. BiW:

    Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuckkkkkkk youuuuuuu!!!!!!!!

    Your trick worked. Like Shelly Jo-Booty in front of a Baskin Robbins. . . I walked right in and stepped up to the counter.

    Yep. I scanned the comments. R supporting Dan. Elric of all people having the sense to ignore him.

    I’m going to take a shower now, then roll around in a pile of lye, then consider going to bed. . . in my car. . . in the garage. . . with the engine running.

  241. I turned 50 in June… -Rutherford

    Oh, thorsaurus isn’t a present? I figured the guys chipped in and got him for you.

    …if you ever see a dude getting a beat down from a bunch of angry conservatives…

    Conservatives? Here? You must be referring to the ritzy suburbs. I hear that displaying a Bush-Cheney bumper sticker within the city limits is now legal grounds for a flogging in the public square.

    Yes, Rutherford, I’ll keep an eye out for you. And welcome to Illinois. I forget if you lived here before at some point, but I recall you have a sister nearby. In any case, I hope you’re liking being here in the Land of Liberals. I mean Lincoln.

  242. Attack Watch!

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahah. Desperate and pathetic.

    Turns out Obama opposed TARP. Did you know that? I guess someone bearing his likeness voted for it, posed for pictures at the meetings, and then took over the WH and made decisions about the use of the funds.

    Tex, please post an attack and report the response. I am too scared of getting on Big Brother’s list. I know you’ve already got to be on it. :lol:

  243. Tex, that avatard is just WRONG.

    Hitler took an economy that was flat on its back, and put it back on its feet.

    You know BIC. I gave some serious thought to the fairness of my gravatar. And I figured Stalin and Hitler were evil enough bastards to offset their economic gains that Obama hasn’t been able to achieve.

    I’ve been trying to channel my inner leftist self, and this was the best I could come up with.

    Besides, this notification “Attack Site” that Obama activated? I am trying my damnedest to be the first one on the list.

    Figured this groovy gravatar might make a good start. :smile:

  244. OBAMA MAGIC STRIKES AGAIN! THEY WERE INDEED THE ONES WE’VE BEEN WAITING FOR!

    GOP wins in NY House race, seen as Obama rebuke

    First time Republican since 1923. Congratulations Rutherford. I don’t know how to thank you. :cry:

  245. Huck, as a favor to Rutherford, I’ve already signed him up. :wink:

    I expect he’ll be thanking me and forwarding an inordinate number of Tex posts first thing tomorrow morning to ‘Attack Site.’

    The thought of that is almost better than sex.

  246. NV-02 results from AP:
    11:53 PM ET

    Precincts reporting 362/858
    Amodei (R) 57%
    Marshall (D) 37%

    Spike that funky football, white boy … :smile:

  247. So I found this book, called “Cimate Change” published by Dorling Kinglesley. Seemed like a good place to start. I’m sure you aren’t going to buy any of this stuff, but here goes. When they take core samples from coral reefs, is that legit? Are the ice core samples untainted information? The older samples (Vostok Station) show a correlation between co2 and temperature over thousands of years, the more recent samples and other sampling methods show a dramatic raise in co2 levels during the last part of the last century and the first part of this one from 315 ppm to 380 ppm. A 1.4 degree rise in average global air temperature at ground level during the same period seems to indicate something is going on. The doomsday scenarios sem a bit fantastical, but I think that comes from the positive feedback loop of the entire hypothesis. A tipping point will be crossed that we can’t come back from.

  248. Conservatives don’t beat handicapped black men. Union members do.

    LOL Huck thanks for the correction. Now all I have to do is “look for the union label” and I’ll stay safe. :-)

  249. This Solyndra stuff gets more amazing every day.

    And its a ton of money. We’re talking a half billion dollars, here. Maybe more.

    It is the poster child for Crony Capitalist Corruption and abuse of the tax payer.

    The political connections with Obama disgust me.

    Does this border on impeachment material?

    This story doesn’t have the legs it deserves, but, soon, even CNN won’t be able to bury it.

    I predict it to be the last nail in the President Fail’s coffin.

  250. Muffy, regarding 326 you’re too funny. While Thor is a breath of fresh air, I haven’t gotten to the point of accepting human offerings as gifts just yet.

    Your recollection is pretty good …. my wife is from these parts so we now live an hour from her family. (My sister is in Florida.)

    I haven’t talked to enough folks in Naperville yet to figure out the politics here. I know my old neighborhood was conservative and whenever I talked politics I got some real dirty looks. :-)

  251. “I predict it to be the last nail in the President Fail’s coffin.”

    Naw.

    He’ll refuse to turn over stuff that gets asked for and refuse to allow anyone in his circle to testify before Congress.

    He’s done it lots of times for lots of things, already. Nobody cares.

  252. I demand a Rutherford post on Solyndra.

    Yeah, I think it was Tex who mentioned Solyndra earlier in the thread. I don’t tend to write about stuff I have to Google first. As of this moment (I haven’t yet Googled) I have no fricking clue what or who Solyndra is. Sounds like a sugar substitute. :-D

    Now Fast and Furious (is that what it’s called?), that I heard a bit about. The whole topic of guns getting into the wrong hands is kinda outside my interest zone. I don’t do the drug cartel beat.

  253. Solyndra got 1/2 billion dollars as part of Obama’s green initiative and was held up as a model company…and then went bankrupt last week.

    Now we find out that Team Barry rushed the OMB to use a crap model because it was running late for a photo-op.

    And I swear I almost commented that you would tell us you don’t know anything about Solyndra. You never seem to know much about the really bad stuff. Maybe you should try an alternative to MSNBC, you might actually learn something.

  254. Two things …. the “rat out your friends” web site is nothing new. I think it used to be called “Stop the Smears”. That was back in the day when it was good sport to call Obama a Muslim Communist Socialist Nazi Kenyan Manchurian Candidate. Now that some of the fun of that game has abated I’m guessing they’re looking more for more policy related disinformation.

    Either way, no worries. I go by the Mafia/Prison protocol. I ain’t no snitch. Last thing I need is for Rabbit to shank me in the shower. :shock:

    Second, this global warming argument always amuses me because everyone avoids the simple bottom line. Regardless of the science, is it really so hard to agree we shouldn’t pour crap into the environment?

  255. “Regardless of the science, is it really so hard to agree we shouldn’t pour crap into the environment?”

    Are you willing to pay for the consequences of that agreement? That is really the “simple bottom line.”

  256. I thought I’d end the night on a note harmonious to Poolman. :-)

    Now, Poolman forget the conspiracy theories … THIS ought to get you mighty pissed off.

    I heard on the radio yesterday that on 9/11 they sent a woman military pilot up in a fighter jet to intercept Flight 93 (the Shanksville one). But here’s the rub …. the f*cking jet had no ammo. It wasn’t loaded. Once she got up in air space and realized it, they basically told her to use her judgement and potentially she might have to crash her plane into United 93 to stop it …. i.e. a suicide mission.

    Now that should piss off Poolman and anyone else here who gives a damn about our country. We have fighter jets that are in no shape to fight “standing at the ready”. We look like the Bad News Bears. An absolute joke … but a tragic joke.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/f-16-pilot-was-ready-to-give-her-life-on-sept-11/2011/09/06/gIQAMpcODK_story.html

  257. This is from a couple of threads ago but I just saw it and can’t resist questions like this.
    PM, I’m confused by your rating of Bush 41.

    That was another of those questions I posed when nobody was wanting to play. The Bush family was integral in bringing fascism to America. Bush 41 was CIA and well connected to the global cabal. That’s why I thought he’d be first. He was also responsible for giving us W.

    “This was the mechanism by which Hitler was funded to come to power, this was the mechanism by which the Third Reich’s defence industry was re-armed, this was the mechanism by which Nazi profits were repatriated back to the American owners, this was the mechanism by which investigations into the financial laundering of the Third Reich were blunted,” said Loftus, who is vice-chairman of the Holocaust Museum in St Petersburg.

    “The Union Banking Corporation was a holding company for the Nazis, for Fritz Thyssen,” said Loftus. “At various times, the Bush family has tried to spin it, saying they were owned by a Dutch bank and it wasn’t until the Nazis took over Holland that they realised that now the Nazis controlled the apparent company and that is why the Bush supporters claim when the war was over they got their money back. Both the American treasury investigations and the intelligence investigations in Europe completely bely that, it’s absolute horseshit. They always knew who the ultimate beneficiaries were.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

  258. That’s why I keep having to retype all your b.s.” – Thor

    Highlight.
    Control C for copy.
    Control V for paste.

    My good deed for the day is complete…

  259. Optics. On a separate note, anyone know where I can get an armored Canadian bus?

    President Barack Obama will present his “jobs plan” on Wednesday at a company which is shipping jobs overseas.

    Obama is scheduled to present his “jobs plan” in Apex, N.C., on Wednesday at the headquarters of WestStar Precision.

    WestStar is a high-end, specialty manufacturer that just opened a new facility in San Jose, Costa Rica — creating many new jobs there, but not in the United States.

    “Our main office and manufacturing facility near Research Triangle Park in the Raleigh/Durham area has approximately 11,000 sq. ft. of office space, production area and warehouse,” the company says on its website. “This facility has more than doubled in size from inception. Equipment includes precision CNC Machining centers, water jet cutter and CAD-CAM design stations.”

    On the same page, WestStar Precision describes its new location, which is almost as big, in Costa Rica: “Our new office and manufacturing facility in San Jose, Costa Rica, also has approximately 10,000 sq. ft. with similar equipment as the main office. This facility is designed for high volume production to support our international and domestic clients.”

    Republicans can hardly believe the company the president chose to speak at is shipping jobs overseas. . . . “Well the president is coming here to apparently tout how to create jobs in America, and the location he’s chosen has just apparently opened up a new manufacturing plant in Costa Rica,” North Carolina GOP spokesman Rob Lockwood told The Daily Caller. “So we are curious how a plant in Costa Rica creates American jobs.”

  260. Thrazinasaurus, I’ll give credit for trying your hand at something you clearly don’t understand. I’ll bash you for glibly and ignorantly criticising others that do.

    As for what you found, did you bother to peruse the sites I gave you?

    Among other things, the samples, even if accepted as true, are statistically arbitrary to support the conclsuion you reach. For example, you say:

    “[the] samples show a dramatic raise in co2 levels during the last part of the last century and the first part of this one from 315 ppm to 380 ppm. A 1.4 degree rise in average global air temperature at ground level during the same period seems to indicate something is going on.”

    No remember what it is that’s attempting to be proven. 1. there is an actual rise in temperature (you do know we are presently in a cooling period and the caps exapnding don’t you Mr. Polar Bear?), 2. it’s anthropogenic, and 3. co2 is the cause. I assume by “last century,” you are looking at old data and not the Curt Cobain era. We have centuries of so-called data. Did you see where there were prior periods of warming? If so when? And could they have been made (obviously pre industrial doesn’t count)? Don’t you think it would be important to know that? Man made carbon emmissions of any signficance over the history of the earth (and even the time frame you refernced) a mere blip. There are striong correlations between solar flairs and global warming during our recorded history too, but I digress.

    Ultimately what you’ll find is that the data/statistical manipulation to produce a conclusion (man made) is a piece of cake. For fun, read about the downfall of the “hockey graph.” In any even the flaws in what you read a set out in nauseating detail by guys with real pointy heads if you’ll look around the sites I sent you. Although I have had to digest a shit pot of it for work, I could;t possibly spend the time pecking out the sliver that I know on a blog comment screen. At least not until you make it past the lamest of observations that support the theory place so much faith in because Gore told you so.

    Incidentally, from a political perspective, Walter Russell Mead does a great job shredding Gore. It’s worthy of a read — for you and Rutherford.

  261. “Regardless of the science, is it really so hard to agree we shouldn’t pour crap into the environment?”

    Ah, the ghost of Dan returns. We can agree on that can’t we?

    We’re talking about C02 genius, not “pollution.” Should we kill the oceans (the largest producer by an enoromous magnitude) to stop the crap pouring before destroy economies so you can feel good about your “awareness?” :roll:

    Your comment is too stupid. R, I’ll do you a favor and vanquish it from my memory. You go back to seprating your cans, voting democrat becuase it feels good, and watching MSNBC where Bubbles Brezinski will tell you all you need to know about science and stuff, ‘mkay?

  262. re: pouring bad stuff into the environment.

    One of the “environment’s” jobs is to absorb and recycle waste. If you think about it, since nothing gets on or off the planet, the chemicals we dump started here to begin with – albeit perhaps as different compounds.

    Having said that, I think we have a responsibility to think about the waste we generate and to dispose of it in ways that make sense from an environmental standpoint, but the idea that you never discharge anything back into the environment is I think incorrect.

    When Mount Pinatubo busted, I read somewhere that best estimates were that it exhausted more sulfuric acid into the environment in a week than had man in his entire history. While best practices dictate prudence, we are truly gnats in this whole equation, IMHO.

  263. While best practices dictate prudence, we are truly gnats in this whole equation

    Exactly. I am perfectly happy with higher CO2 emissions, as the plants and the trees love it. :smile:

    I doubt Rutherford or Thor will understand the equation.

    But you two will be glad to know that I try my best to be a good steward of Mother Gaia. But as we flew over to Hawaii this summer, I looked down from about seven miles seeing a cruise ship that looked like a speck on an ocean of blue as far as the eye can see, even at that height.

    Made me once again feel quite small in the grand scheme of things.

  264. Oh, and Rutherford. Boners had little to do with the stinging NY defeat – Mullah Poolman and Imam Obama should accept far more of the blame.

  265. Thorazineosaurus, sorry for the typos. I was rushing before heading to work. I see now that some of comment is garbled (as most are because I am too lazy to properly review and edit).

    I think the bigger part of my response to you has been proven by the fact that you had to go find a book to explain this to you. Before you did, you were trying to mock those that question much less criticise the so-called science behind it and are now struggling to understand it. Even now you are attempting to selectively point to that which you think supports your belief.

    As shown by Rutherford’s most recent comment about Weiner’s seat, Solyndra and Fast and Furious he won’t bother with it if it contradicts his views. He’s in favor of clean air! Point, set, match. :roll:

    I love the stench of irony.

  266. I just love VDH articles. But I don’t think Victor was entirely fair this time.

    Obama has a nice smile, a decent set shot, and an uncanny ability of invoking rube charisma by the downtrodden, the failed, the brain dead, reading from teleprompter to teleprompter. Somewhere today, there is still the woman just sure her rent will be paid for, and Thor has a man crush on him.

    I believe Obama has a few arrows left in the quiver. It’s just that Obama still hasn’t mastered that the arrows are intended to fly away from his torso. There’s plenty of time for him to impale himself once again to the wall of ignorance.

    I have noticed an eery silence across leftist internet rubedom this morning. Obviously, the MSNBC Journolist talking points haven’t arrived about how to respond to last night’s ass whipping vote. So I had to watch a little of Chaz Maddow late yesterday evening. The young boy was standing in front of the Hoover dam, wearing horned rimmed, black glasses and hardhat asking, “Do we still have it in us for big ideas?” Somewhere, FDR wept.
    :?: Well, Do We?

    Rutherford, have you received anything in email yet from Attacks ‘R Us?

  267. Gorilla, those links aren’t working.

    He’s in favor of clean air! Point, set, match. :roll:

    :lol: You and Huck have been on a real roll lately.

  268. Stand Back! President Obama will once again stretch his mighty bow with boomerang arrows to Tout His Jobs Plan.

    September 14, 2011
    Obama to speak at NC company shipping jobs to Costa Rica

    President Barack Obama will present his “jobs plan” on Wednesday at a company which is shipping jobs overseas…

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/13/obama-to-speak-at-nc-company-that%E2%80%99s-shipping-jobs-to-costa-rica/#ixzz1XvU7bDen

    YES WE CAN! :smile:

    ——–

    Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine the gross incompetence of this entire administration in 2008.

  269. Democrats have pointed out that Solyndra’s loan process was initiated by the Bush administration and that many key investors were Republicans.

    Interesting tidbit being ignored by the local conservo-fascist denizen. I realize the intent is to nail it on Obama, but some of that framework appears red instead of blue or green. Interesting information regarding China, too.

    Solar is an industry that will carry on with or without government support. This article points out “the company had invented a solar panel that didn’t use silicon, unlike its competitors, and foundered after silicon prices plummeted.”

  270. :lol: Sorry, had to chuckle at the GEE OH PEE dot com source. :lol:

    I’m certain that will give the straight non partisan skinny. :roll:

    You’ll be thrilled to know we are likely in total agreement on global warming/global cooling/climate change.

  271. Did I forget to add Poolman to Obama’s quiver of arrows? :smile: The tin foil tipped arrows? The don’t boomerang. They just wizz around in the clouds forever attracting lightning from heaven.

    See, Solyndra is all Bush’s fault you guys! Dammit! And it’s Bush’s fault that Silicon prices changed too! Dammit!

    And this article is by Ezra at the Washington Post. Journolist is the best of unbiased reporting! Dammit!

  272. President Barack Obama will present his “jobs plan” on Wednesday at a company which is shipping jobs overseas…

    Awful nice of Romney to let O give a speech at one of his businesses.

    Hey thanks Gorilla, that was easy.

  273. Gorilla. :oops:

    I keep this tab open all day, walk by when in the house and hit reload, and obviously do miss a few things. Mea culpa.

    But it bears repeating.

  274. They just wizz around in the clouds forever attracting lightning from heaven.

    I like that imagery. Forever. :grin:. Some things never get old…

    I keep a close watch on this heart of mine
    I keep my eyes wide open all the time.
    I keep the ends out for the tie that binds
    Because you’re mine,
    I walk the line

    I find it very, very easy to be true
    I find myself alone when each day is through
    Yes, I’ll admit I’m a fool for you
    Because you’re mine,
    I walk the line

    As sure as night is dark and day is light
    I keep you on my mind both day and night
    And happiness I’ve known proves that it’s right
    Because you’re mine,
    I walk the line

    You’ve got a way to keep me on your side
    You give me cause for love that I can’t hide
    For you I know I’d even try to turn the tide
    Because you’re mine,
    I walk the line

  275. “Democrats have pointed out that Solyndra’s loan process was initiated by the Bush administration and that many key investors were Republicans.”

    I don’t suppose democrats have pointed out that Solyndra’s loan process was also cancelled by the Bush administration, and was not re-initiated until 6 days after your CIA-confirmed president was sworn in.

  276. Good morning ladies. Gotta go (yes, I do have a job) but I promise to come back tonight and take my beating over the hole Weiner left. (That’ll give you guys something to chew on.) Oh, and climate. Now I must fold me newspapers so I can balance them on my unicycle.

  277. I don’t suppose democrats have pointed out that Solyndra’s loan process was also cancelled by the Bush administration, and was not re-initiated until 6 days after your CIA-confirmed president was sworn in.

    Well, now Huck. I didn’t see that on Ezra’s write up, so that can’t possibly be right, because Ezra created “Journolist” and the WAPO is the best in unbiased writing.

    You don’t suppose the tool will realize he’s just been taken to school, would you?

  278. “As shown by Rutherford’s most recent comment about Weiner’s seat, Solyndra and Fast and Furious he won’t bother with it if it contradicts his views. He’s in favor of clean air! Point, set, match.”

    Rutherford is so concerned about clean air that he pays absolutely no attention to things like a supposed model solar panel company going belly-up.

  279. “Well, now Huck. I didn’t see that on Ezra’s write up, so that can’t possibly be right, because Ezra created “Journolist” and the WAPO is the best in unbiased writing.”

    I didn’t know about that until I saw it on the ABC News clip I posted above.

  280. I’m certain there’s a source for that Huck? Not that I doubt it. I think the primary goal is to get rid of the DoE’s loan program. I personally think the whole DoE needs to go away, along with the removal or restructuring of many other government departments. There is speculation much of that stimulus money went to Photon Solar, an India subsidiary. More-so, I think there is an ongoing campaign to discredit the administration. Not giving them a pass, mind you, but I think this is more political than anything else.

    Business is still Lucy.

    It is okay to not subsidize energy development, if we don’t mind the Chinese having the monopoly on the industry. They are the current leaders and with full government support, theirs and ours. Their companies are mingled throughout our landscape and seen as “private” enterprise. Yeah, it’s real private alright. The entire energy industry needs sunlight. (Pun intended.)

  281. Tex,

    That propaganda source is not very honest, but really I have come to expect that from you. Nobody can compete with the money and influence Israel has to continually push their agenda. Truth as well as people have suffered in much greater numbers and horrors than the holy holocaust. It continues to be drowned out of the conversation.

  282. I’m ashamed to share the same state with John Di Leo, the author of the article on ten reasons the Jobs Act sucks. I was doing ok until I got to number 7:

    7. The Productivity Drain.
    This idiot actually says we shouldn’t fund highway repair because it inevitably causes traffic jams. You’ve gotta be kidding me!!!

    When stupid stuff like this makes it into an article, I no longer believe the writer is interested in a serious analysis of policy and I put him in the 24% who simply don’t like Obama.

    Sorry John, I won’t be reading reasons 8, 9 and 10.

  283. That propaganda source is not very honest, but really I have come to expect that from you.

    Not anymore honest than their own website doing the talking and the income tax forms they themselves filed – I mean, it doesn’t get anymore dishonest than that, right? :wink:

    But I have always thought of you as a limp noodle Cindy Sheehan type. Did you camp out in front of the Bush ranch and sleep in the ditches with your hippie dippie girlfriend?

    Truth as well as people have suffered in much greater numbers and horrors than the holy holocaust.

    Ah, finally we get to the shred of truth. I’m quite surprised you even believe in the holocaust Brother Poolman. Surely there’s a good link to the Holocaust denial you can dredge up.

    Just because approximately half of an entire creed of people are smoked in the ovens, operated on while alive, and starved to death is nothing to get in a snit over. Hardly worth remembering, in fact. I understand Mullah.

  284. Huck, I went back and listened to the clip. It says the loan was shelved, not cancelled. Obama took it off the shelf and fast tracked it. There IS a difference. Back to one of my pet peeves – definitions…

  285. Turner’s victory has nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with Wiener’s wiener. Rutherford on Twitter
    :lol: Why no! Obama had nothing to do with NY at all. Except Israel and the Orthodox Jews, and that Turner campaigned on the Obama regime stances.

    I thought it was Weiner?

    Denial is the sweetest of sorrows.

  286. @RutherfordL Rutherford Lawson
    Turner’s victory has nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with Wiener’s wiener.

    Ahhhhh….(that was an orgasmic response).
    :twisted:

  287. It says the loan was shelved, not cancelled. Obama took it off the shelf and fast tracked it. There IS a difference. Back to one of my pet peeves – definitions…

    It’s simply speaking for itself..depending on what the word is, is.

    That’s not tinfoil you are seeing Huck. That my friend, is three inches of laminated aluminum wrapped around the cranium. Electric.

  288. “There IS a difference.”

    For starters I didn’t put quotes around my comment, so this is a BS semantics argument and nothing else.

    Let’s get to the meat….

    Does that difference mean anything in defense of the Obama administration’s involvement on this?

    Does that difference mean anything in defense of the assertion that the Bush administration somehow shares responsibility for any of this?

    Those are rhetorical questions you are free to answer or ignore. We already know the answers.

  289. Your comment is too stupid. R, I’ll do you a favor and vanquish it from my memory.

    Since you don’t watch Shark Tank you won’t understand why this comment reminds me of Kevin O’Leary.

    So then I think what has your bowels in such an uproar and then I remember you’re an EPA hater. Your comment about the ocean trivializes the science.

    Look, I’m no environmentalist. I’m also not a climate change fanatic. I put climate change a couple of notches below evolution as a THEORY that needs more work. I consider those who dismiss it out of hand just plain ignorant.

    P.S. Anecdotally, I don’t know what is causing it, but the weather does seem to get more funky each year. Therefore I do think something is up.

  290. “Turner’s victory has nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with Wiener’s wiener. Rutherford on Twitter”

    Oh no. None at all.

    In fact, every GOP win since 2010 has nothing to do with Barack Obama or his party. Not the GOP taking the House. Not the Dems losing Senate supermajority. Not multiple state legislatures turning Republican. Not the WI recall elections. None of them.

    When we retake the senate and the presidency, that won’t have anything to do with Obama, either. That will just be racism….

  291. “Anecdotally, I don’t know what is causing it, but the weather does seem to get more funky each year. Therefore I do think something is up.”

    Compared to what?

    Earth cycles work in terms of thousands or millions of years. Comparing them to last year means even less than unscientific anecdotal evidence about glaciers and polar bears.

  292. Did you read those comments Huck? The comments are better than the article. The liberal mind never ceases to amaze. They aren’t loud enough? They haven’t spent enough?

    My recommendation to Obama is drink heavily and take an extended 14 month break away from the office, with rubber stamp in hand on vacation.

  293. On a high-level campaign conference call Tuesday afternoon, Democratic donors and strategists commiserated over their disappointment in Obama. A source on the call described the mood as “awful.”

    “People feel betrayed, disappointed, furious, disgusted, hopeless,” said the source.

    How’s that Hopey Changey thing working out for you Dims?

    How about some old fashion Bush bashing and a couple of renditions of “Nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah, Hey Hey Hey, Goodbyeee…” like you sung to Bush as he boarded the helicopter?

  294. If you think about it, since nothing gets on or off the planet

    Now I admit that 95% of anything I ever learned in school has dripped out of my ears in the years since but I kinda coughed on this statement. There is “stuff” beyond our planet. Clearly meteors come here. I don’t think it’s a stretch to think some “stuff” also leaves our atmosphere and goes out into space.

    This is tangential to the argument but if you’re gonna base your global warming skepticism on the notion that our planet is a closed system, then I’d like some verification of that.

  295. Imagine you’re in the Obama White House, and this is what you face. Democrats lose a special election in a congressional district they have controlled since the 1920s and which was framed as a referendum on the president. There’s a possible scandal brewing over the White House’s effort to rush federal reviewers for a decision on a nearly half-billion dollar loan to a solar-panel manufacturer, Solyndra. The most recent Census Report shows median household earnings fell for the third consecutive year, back to 1996 levels. A record number of Americans are in poverty. In Afghanistan, the Taliban mounted a fierce assault on the U.S. embassy and NATO military headquarters in Kabul. A new CNN/ORC poll shows Obama’s disapproval rating has reached a new high while the number of Americans who think he is a strong leader has dropped to a new low.

    And that’s just today.

    Hopey Changey! Prosperity is right around the corner.

  296. “I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions. Generations from now we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment – a moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow.”

    That kind of megalomania needs to be utterly destroyed, so that the next man that walks into that office dare not utter such stupidity again.

  297. Tex, it he is reading the Twitter feed for #AttackWatch, Obama has to be feeling smaller than my chances of scoring with a super model.

    Seriously, I think this thing will be gone by nightfall. He simply can’t afford to let this kind of public drubbing to continue. His ego can’t survive.

  298. “So then I think what has your bowels in such an uproar and then I remember you’re an EPA hater.”

    God, you just keep proving my point.

    My bowels are in uproar because I’ve had wallow in this shit in briefings to the U.S. Supreme Court on challenges to the endangerment findings and have to read your smug blather.

    The problem is that you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, nor do you care to. Even global warmists would say “shut-up, you don’t know what you’re talking about — we’ll take it from here.”

    It reminds me of trying to explain a fax machine to my 98 year old Grandpa when I was in college. It didn’t matter the explanation, he would just laugh and say “[Tigre] you’re a funny man. . . you can’t put a piece of paper in the phone and make it come out the other side.” (true story). In the end, I just had tell him the address to have the staff at his nursing home put on the envelope because he wasn’t going to listen them either.

    R, with all due respect, and I mean all due respect, (said Ricky Bobby style), what I hate are dickhead libs acting like my grandfather (“well of course there’s global warming. . . it was hotter than hell today. And who doesn’t want clean air”).

    What’s clear to me is that you’re going to believe what you want to believe. . . Grandpa! :roll:

    Just make the suffering end. ( I should’ve put gass in the tank ebfore I fell asleep in my car last night).

  299. Seriously, I think this thing will be gone by nightfall. He simply can’t afford to let this kind of public drubbing to continue. His ego can’t survive.

    I think his ego in private may have fallen off the cliff already, unless he is so sheltered, he lives in a bubble. I’m reading there’s new term for Obama, and this from Dimocratic circles:

    President Millstone

    If I thought there was any way the man would simply step aside and admit his election was a huge mistake, letting him finish out his term, and he admitted pride goes before the fall, and if he displayed once iota of humility, I could let bygones be bygones and leave him alone.

    I like your chances of scoring with the Super Model long before that happens.

    As it is, I am beginning to have a bad feeling that this ends very badly for Obama. I hope to hell he doesn’t do something really stupid or irrational in retaliation, as I believe he is more than petty enough to do so.

    And I continue to be pretty confident, though I hope I am wrong, that we are coming very close to going over the edge in this country. It will take at least a generation for these divisions to heal, if they ever do.

    I actually am having to work on removing the contempt I have in my heart for many on the Left.

  300. Stuff like this is why Ace is one of the best on the net.

    “The brilliant Rara Avis with the All-Ivy education seems to have never heard the first lesson of politics: Vox Populi, Vox Dei. For three miserable, arrogant years he has governed directly against the wishes of the public, gambling that he knew everything, and we knew nothing, and so, at the end of his three year Rogue Regime, the fruits of his wisdom would fatten on the tree, and we would see how wrong we were, and drink the nectar of his successes.

    But that’s not what happened. He repeatedly ignored the wishes of the public and the loyal opposition in the GOP.

    Therefore, he owns this situation. Him and the Democrats, entirely. They did not share decision-making, so they cannot now demand we all share in the blame.”

  301. Yes, Huck. Semantics. It IS utmost important.

    I work in a business that both cancels and shelves projects.

    There is a BIG difference.

    You wonder why we grapple with understanding? Semantics. We’ve all experienced the effect in this microcosm.

  302. You wonder why we grapple with understanding?

    No. Having political correctness forced upon us and the sloppy accusations and denouncements of “RRRRRRAAAACCCCCIIIISSSSMMMM!!!!” or whatever inapt and inappropriate disparagement du jour thrown around whenever anyone tries to call something what it is has become transparent and obvious enough that the reason for lack of understanding is clear.

  303. Semantics or not, what is clear is that Bush examined Solyndra on its merits, and found it wanting. Obama examined Solyndra by its bundlers and found them worthy… of our taxpayer dollars that is. I’d have to double check, but Obama reopened the Solyndra application days after being inagurated. He’d almost have to walk on water to be able to read through the application and its supporting paperwork- that is following an interagency collection of all the various parts of the application.

    I’m on my phone now so I can’t link it, but did anyone else see that companies tied to Gore are getting some 527 billion to make… Drum roll please… Electric sports cars. Yes, nothing describes the Goracle like the term “compensation”- financially, physically…

  304. That attack watch is pretty scary. I followed somebody’s link there, it may have been Huck’s. Thanks. :neutral: I love showing my IP to all the g-men.

    As if they don’t already have it. :roll: Big brother IS watching…

    The bigger your virtual ass is, the bigger its digital image, right Tex?

    Guaranteed. This is a realtime cellular GPS enabled ditigal age, baby. Guard those nuts, or someone else will squeeze ‘em.
    :evil: Yes we can! :evil:

  305. Who proposed the company to Obama? I think there’s mutineers aboard the ship. Someone would have advised our elected puppet to pick this company in the first place.

    Obama is NO businessman. Can’t you see the struggle is business related, something he has no clout in. He is trying to deal through crooked wall street to soften business to get them to squeeze out a job. He’s Charlie Brown..

    Wahhhwaaawahh…wahwahwahhhwahwahwah…wah. wah wah wah, wahwah.

  306. “Who proposed the company to Obama?”

    That depends on what you mean by “who”. Of course, we could also spend 100 or so comments figuring out what you mean by “proposed.” Luckily, “company” and “Obama” are self explanatory.

  307. I have noticed an eery silence across leftist internet rubedom this morning. Obviously, the MSNBC Journolist talking points haven’t arrived about how to respond to last night’s ass whipping vote.

    Tex because you consider Joe Scarborough a RINO you do yourself a great disservice. The verdict on Morning Joe this morning was that the Turner election does not bode well for Obama.

    In fact, from what I’ve seen, I’m the only one blaming Anthony’s wiener.

  308. Tex … great Seinfeld video! Loved it.

    Yeah, that video was great. I giggled through all of it. Funny thing is, the guys playing the Texas part?

    We talk like that around here and I can prove it. I was out trying to start my neighbor’s weed eater, and it slipped.

    Let me see if I can start that son-of-a-bitch. Oops…

  309. Huck, you’re a smart ass. But that was pretty funny.

    Mutiny. Who can he trust. I saw you posted Warren going to run for Senate. No one will let her fix anything otherwise. Too bad.

    So it looks like the turning point in the Obama presidency. I call it now. He just realized it. Business is not working with him and business runs government. Next. The next business model is either Romney or Perry. Both are willing to grovel and suckle at the beast’s teat.

    Ron Paul, not so much and why he gets little press.

  310. “Then I won’t be able to have dinner with him when I pay my $15.00 campaign contribution!”

    Oh I’m sure he’ll accept your $15, and dinner will be provided after they ask you a few questions down the hall. . .

  311. I’m on my phone now so I can’t link it

    Sorry but when I read this, the following scenario flashed through my head:

    Gorilla (on phone): Hello?

    Caller: Gorilla, this is urgent. Our strike team has Kadaffi in sight. All we need is the word from you to pull the trigger.

    Gorilla: Hold your horses. I’ll think about giving the order as soon as I finish this comment on the Rutherford Lawson Blog.
    :lol:

  312. Tex, regarding your #447…

    The original title of the piece was “Attack Watch,new Obama campaign site to ‘fight smears’ becomes laughing stock of the internet.” [bold mine] That is reflected in the filename.

    Go look at the title now.

    The WaPo must have gotten notice from AttackWaaaaaaatch.

  313. Huck, good catch. I just looked at the link title.

    Conservatives, hey? :lol:

    I know so little about Twitter, I don’t even know how to watch the tweets. The only ones I’ve ever looked at are Rutherford’s by clicking here.

    Do you have to preface it with an @ sign?

  314. I see dead people registering to vote…..In Chicago. Get on it!
    :lol: :lol:

    They’ve turned this into a mockery in less than 24 hours.

  315. for me, “crack cocaine” for Obama.

    Even I, your humble correspondent and enemy of Obama state, was a little skeptical of that one.

    Still funny as hell.

  316. For some reason, I can’t read the comments on this site when I access through my phone.

    Odd, because WP blogs do default to mobile mode when viewed through a smart phone. Maybe your phone ain’t that smart? ;-)

    Of course, I’d also wonder why anyone would want to view a 400+ comment thread on a smart phone in the first place. It’s unruly enough on a PC.

  317. Rabbit there are people out there willing to lie about anything to make a few bucks. Pathetic.

    But Tex, you have a point … the fiction of Larry Sinclair beats the non-fiction of today. Even MSNBC is declaring these dark days for Obama.

  318. there are people out there willing to lie about anything to make a few bucks.

    Or spill the truth.

    between the truther stuff and the Israel stuff I think you’ve dedicated your life to making Tex’s head explode.

    It’s okay, I’m sure he’s got another hat rack somewhere. :wink:

  319. Tex, why does Weiner’s district flipping spell demise for Obama any more than Hochul’s victory in the 26th signaled his lock on a second term. Why do the events in Nevada last night mean anything more than the events in Wisconsin all summer. And if you try to interject some local politics mitigating b.s., you’re no better than the Axelrod whores that have poo pooing this all day. I think the real trend is a “Throw the bums out” mode and right now he is perceived as the head bum. On a brighter note, his approval rating went up two points, and so did my 401k.

  320. Gorilla (on phone): Hello?

    Caller: Gorilla, this is urgent. Our strike team has Kadaffi in sight. All we need is the word from you to pull the trigger.

    Gorilla: Hold your horses. I’ll think about giving the order as soon as I finish this comment on the Rutherford Lawson Blog.

    I leave standing orders: when in doubt, there is no doubt. Pull the trigger.

  321. Yeah, the Hamas brainwashing of children that has been going on since they took over the Gazan airwaves is heartbreaking.” – Huck

    Its been going on a lot longer than that.

  322. “We’ve actually been in a cooling period which makes your less-than-astute cause and effect observations a crock. But even if we weren’t, the so-called evidence of anthropogenic warming is hardly settled. But your uninformed beliefs certainly are.

    Start here, then let me know when you want to get into it.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/24/lord-monckton-wins-global-warming-debate-at-oxford-union/” -ET

    In 279 I stated that the extent of summer ice has had declined 30% since ’79. Your link verifies that. Less ice, less polar bears. No ice, no polar bears. …And yes, the unicycle was a clown reference. I beleive it was one of the 666 names Tex has called me since Monday.

  323. Yeah, you got me thor. :roll:

    “Dr Mitchell Taylor has been researching the status and management of polar bears in Canada and around the Arctic Circle for 30 years, as both an academic and a government employee. More than once since 2006 he has made headlines by insisting that polar bear numbers, far from decreasing, are much higher than they were 30 years ago. Of the 19 different bear populations, almost all are increasing or at optimum levels, only two have for local reasons modestly declined.”

    (that’s mostly wildlife management/hunting for those two groups).

    Me see, but me no believe?

    http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba551

    Let’s dumb it waaaay down so you get it:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/media_credibility_not_ice_caps_1.html

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/oh_that_inconvenient_growing_p.html

    Don’t forget your oversized shoes and red nose today.

    (Guys, I promise not to do more of this. I know it’s a waste of time)

    He’s all yours Tex. This hurts my brain.

  324. I’ll take if from here Tigre. Rutherford thinks Al-Poolman makes my head explode. I haven’t watched but two of Prime Time’s videos in months. The only thing Al-Poolman is sploding which lays in tatters, is the load time of Rutherford’s threads.

    Thorazine,

    I think the real trend is a “Throw the bums out” mode and right now he is perceived as the head bum.

    I didn’t see many Republican “bums” thrown out 10 months ago. But you finally got one thing right – Obama is a bum.

    On a brighter note, his approval rating went up two points, and so did my 401k.

    Of course Zero’s approval went up. It’s another day closer to him being marched to the curb, and the masses were elated. Nobody in recent memory has done more to help my party than Imam Obama – anybody that can switch a Jewish precinct that has been Dim for 88 years to voting easy Republican win? That is an incredible talent. I’ll even clap for him when the thin Kenyan and the onion booty when they walk to the helicopter pad for the final time a year from January. :wink:

    And the market and the world were overjoyed too. Any bad news for Zero is always a good day for Wall Street and the globe.

  325. Thorazine,

    Your timing is almost as impeccable as Rutherford’s, who in predicting about a year before the 2010 elections, that the Republicans were going the way of the Whigs. :twisted:

    Dr. Ivar Giaever, a former professor with Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and the 1973 winner of the Nobel Prize in physics, abruptly announced his resignation Tuesday, Sept. 13, from the premier physics society in disgust over its officially stated policy that “global warming is occurring…”

    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/09/14/nobel-prize-winning-physicist-resigns-from-top-physics-group-over-global/?test=latestnews

  326. Of all the putrid things I’ve read and seen of Obama, and those events now total in the thousands, this one might be the most vomitous of all. I’m going to have to rethink calling Obama Caesar. This kind of narcissism is more deserving of a Greek god title.

    How about Apollo?

    You must prove your love for Obama, America

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/14/you-must-prove-your-love-for-obama-america/

    http://ecdn0.hark.com/swfs/player_32x32.swf?pid=rjvnwqpclgImage of God Cannot Survive as a Memory

  327. “But if you love me you’ve got to help me pass this bill.”

    Assuming Obama really said that, I don’t much blame him. The way a citizen shows their “love” for a politician is not to yell “I love you” but to do the hard work of pressuring legislators to get things done. It’s called citizen involvement, something Obama For America used to be pretty good at.

  328. The truth, Rutherford, is that Tex has no space left in his hat rack to to build anything new until he levels some of the existing structures that he has established. A little mind blowing would do good. :wink:

    I found this enlightening…

  329. “PLO official: Palestinians, Israelis must be totally separated”

    This is worth about as much as Joe Biden talking about policy.

    Joe Biden does not set US policy, and a PLO envoy to the US doesn’t set Palestinian policy.

  330. Tex, I guess we’ve settled on Thorazine. Sort of a calming Nordic influence, just what this thread needs. Yes, I understand that you are happy about yesterday, and I’m actually happy for you. But you didn’t answer my question. Why is it more of a weather vane than Hochul in the 26th? Could it be because the cock finally pointed in your direction?

  331. Tex, Carville is married to a republican and worked for cigar stroker, so much for good judgement. Speaking of judgement, the guy in poolman’s video sounded pretty judgemental when he was telling people of faith not to be judgemental. As for climate, it’s a done deal for you guys so I’ll leave it alone. All rhetoric aside, I’m no Gore fan. If it’s not happening, then I view that as good news, and if it is … well, the U.S. could go totally eco-bubble Amish tomorrow and it wouldn’t keep India and China from putting the planet on thirty-second defrost. Gotta put on the orange jumpsuit now and go pick up aluminum cans. Got caught shoplifting a Pearl Jam CD after the Dixie Chicks concert. Goodbye Earl. BBL.

  332. Hello thor. Welcome to my world.

    Judging by your judgment, you hammered without construct.

    Could you expound on your critique?

    [After the jumpsuit thingie, of course.]

    First, the term: “people of faith”. How do you define that?

    Sorry Huck, I know you want to jump right in. :grin:

  333. Thorazine,

    All rhetoric aside, I’m no Gore fan. If it’s not happening, then I view that as good news, and if it is … well, the U.S. could go totally eco-bubble Amish tomorrow and it wouldn’t keep India and China from putting the planet on thirty-second defrost. Gotta put on the orange jumpsuit now and go pick up aluminum cans. Got caught shoplifting a Pearl Jam CD after the Dixie Chicks concert. Goodbye Earl. BBL.

    And there you were making good sense, until you had to mention the Dixie Chicks. :wink: There may be hope for you yet – after we straighten up your blog with a few facts.

  334. Culture of…

    The four-star Air Force general who oversees U.S. Space Command walked into a highly secured room on Capitol Hill a week ago to give a classified briefing to lawmakers and staff, and dropped a surprise. Pressed by members, Gen. William Shelton said the White House tried to pressure him to change his testimony to make it more favorable to a company tied to a large Democratic donor.

    The episode—confirmed by The Daily Beast in interviews with administration officials and the chairman of a congressional oversight committee—is the latest in a string of incidents that have given Republicans sudden fodder for questions about whether the Obama administration is politically interfering in routine government matters that affect donors or fundraisers. Already, the FBI and a House committee are investigating a federal loan guarantee to a now failed solar firm called Solyndra that is tied to a large Obama fundraiser.

  335. Tex,

    Re: Lovely people.

    It is a shame, but not a surprise that the situation there has escalated. Their fears, however are not completely unfounded, rather exploited by the political and religious leaders to incite hatred and violence. It is the same in Israel. It is the same in Europe. It is the same here. Corrupt and unchecked leadership run amok.

    Most people’s frustrations are misdirected. If you can paint an acceptable enough picture of the enemy, the sheeple will fill in the details. That is a good reason we are at constant war with each other. There are enough walls of deceit constructed between humans that we are all penned within.

  336. Okay, a little self-deprecating humor. Being this stupid deserves to be made mockery.

    My mom and wife bought me this new fancier phone for my birthday. My cell phone had to be 6-7 years old – one of those flippy types that my children acted like I had purchased in 1938. I’ve never even cracked the manual of the new one, tore off the cover and installed the SIM chip – basically only know how to dial, answer and a perform a rudimentary form of texting, something resembling and constructed by a four year old. My fingers are too damn big for these miniature buttons. I used my phone once as a camera on my birthday a few months back, then forgot how I did it.

    So anyway, my cute little mutt puppy had this really cute pose, and I decided I would take a picture to send to momma who misses him terribly. Couldn’t remember how to do it. Every time I looked through the what I thought was the viewfinder, it was black. What the hell. Then somehow, I pushed a button under the cover and was blinded.

    I was looking into the damn lens! What an idiot. Still don’t know what button I pushed either as the damn thing has this equally confusing fashioned, queer cover that my girls insist is some real find. My eyes aren’t what they used to be either and I should be wearing bifocals, but I hate glasses because I’m still pretty active.

    Anyway, I’ve got a tremendously artistic picture of what appears to a blue iris and black pupil, surrounded by a fleshy mass of face.

  337. Good article in the LA Times on the psychological origins of religion – a topic we have discussed here several times.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/18/opinion/la-oe-thompson-atheism-20110718

    Speaking of which, we had the pleasure of Mssr. Perry’s stumping at that center of intolerance, “Liberty” “University” in Lynchburg earlier this week. He said something to the effect that F.U. , er, I mean Liberty was the “centerpiece of the Religious Right.” I didn’t get the exact quote.

  338. Tex, Yu-uck. I knew it. I eat only fresh/frozen seafood that comes from our coastline already. I did look at the can of tuna on my shelf here and yup, sure enough, Thailand. And I was gonna have that tomorrow :(

    It used to be all the fun grub was bad for you. It’s getting so all the foods that are supposed to be good for you are bad for you.

  339. Haha Tex I wasn’t “Yuck-ing” at your fleshy mass of face. I hope that was clear. (Obviously I was referring to the bad fish video link)

  340. Muffy, you asked for it and here it is (as best I can tell):

    Kinda funny that Tex is quick to criticize it but wouldn’t take the 30 seconds it takes to find it on Google. ;-)

  341. Oh Pfesser, this is old information. Good grief, I saw something like this article “scientific findings” on 60 Minutes at least 10 years ago.

    I did note the author: J. Anderson Thomson is a psychiatrist at the University of Virginia. He serves as a trustee of the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science. I can see the clarity and unbias viewpoint all the way from my house.

    ——-

    No religion: What was Lennon summoning? For starters, a world without “divine” messengers, like Osama bin Laden, sparking violence.

    Really? Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, Pol Pot, Nicolae Ceausescu just to name a few “evolved” types from the 20th century alone. Wonder what Richard Dawkin’s toady reserves about these “undivine” messengers were summoning?

    ——-

    But the most breathtakingly stupid part of the entire article? You guys should really leave Christian scripture out of your justification. That’s when the real idiocy and obvious lack of knowledge dribbles in…

    It is conceivable that St. Paul’s dramatic conversion on the road to Damascus was, in reality, a seizure caused by temporal lobe epilepsy.

    Is that a fact? So that is what is was, huh? A temporal lobe epileptic ‘disturbance’.

    And at Lystra there sat a certain man, impotent in his feet, a cripple from his mother’s womb, who never had walked.

    The same heard Paul speaking, who, fastening eyes upon him, and seeing that he had faith to be made whole, said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped up and walked.

    And when the multitude saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voice, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.

    Kind of a mass temporal lobe epilepsy, hey? :roll:

    Guess I should take this as a definitive ‘NO’ to my question to you at Fat Grannies, hey? :smile: Oh well, charity never was my strong suit. So be it.

  342. Kinda funny that Tex is quick to criticize it but wouldn’t take the 30 seconds it takes to find it on Google. ;-)

    I heard enough from the Zero’s mouth to know it a farce. :wink: I don’t need the details, as it a repeat of the failed stimulus/investment/saved jobs 2009 bomb IMO. If I wasn’t blinded by the light, I would have looked it up though for Muffy, though. I’m pretty sure I could have found it.

    Tech savvy? Well, I did do it for 20 years. Even used to write apps to the predecessor like you find on your IPhone today Once, even tried to create my own operating system in Assembler – I’m afraid Bill Gates was better. Long ago.

    Then completely lost interest and basically admit, I have not only lost interest, but rejected most of it. At some point, most of technology became consuming, and I had better things to do. Frankly, I believe we’ve all gotten so caught up in technology for technology’s sake, that many of us are forgetting to live. I watched adults on our last family vacation so consumed with their smart phones, that they sat like zombies most of the trip. I swam with the dolphins.

    Besides, what I used to set up, now I have really smart, grown children do it for me. :smile: Just like a little, old man.

  343. Thanks Rutherford! I’m embarrassed I couldn’t find it, but I’m getting loster and loster on the internest and couldn’t shake out what the name of the bill was. Even google pages are getting overwhelming – it’s like which one is legit? That’s not what I’m looking for. I don’t want to know what Perez Hilton thinks of what Sarah Palin thinks of how many time the President said pass this bill.

    Oh. Funny story. A little funny. The legitimately irreplaceable textbook for one of my classes is out of print, so the teacher put as many as he could on reserve at the public library down the street. You should have seen the students looking around in disbelief. One actually raised his hand and said, “what do you mean?”

    The prof says ” you can read the material down at the Harold Washington library. I’ve put it on reserve there.”

    Really, you should have seen the poor little lambs. They were flummoxed. You’d have thought the instructor said “put down your pencils.” Huh?

  344. Muffy,

    I may have told this story already. If so, ignore.

    At my medical school, they have a world renowned pathologist that teaches much of the second year with a pass rate second to none. The guy is an unbelievable teacher and has forgotten more medicine that most doctors know.

    He was a guest speak in my gross anatomy class one day, dressed in jeans in a t-shirt. He’s about 70 years old now and still looks like Atlas.

    He walks up, takes the mic, looks out at all the students sitting behind their computers and says, “Close the damn lids on those computers and listen. Board scores have dropped for 15 years now, and I’m convinced those atrocities are half the reason. Try listening for once.”

    Well said.

  345. Well to be honest Muffy, I’m still a bit shell shocked when I go to the public library and find the card catalog computerized. It seems I looked away for a few minutes and the old wooden card catalogs had been removed. :-)

  346. Pfesser,

    I thought the LATimes article was somewhat interesting, but it really establishes a predetermined outcome and tries to show physical evidences to prove it. Almost counter to discovery. Using the physical to explain the inherent spiritual tendencies of humanity? From my perspective that is a bit absurd.

    We are told that evidence of God is everywhere. I see it. When we discover agreement microscopically, it only serves to affirm my faith.

    We all have faith. It is just a difference as to where we place it.

  347. Oh Tex I could go on all day with this. :)

    But you know, in all seriousness for a moment – it’s quite sad. I had a really interesting conversation recently with a real smarty (a psychology PHD) about cheating (specifically students sharing electronic files). It’s not uncommon at all for students to be complete boneheads about what constitutes cheating anymore. And stealing! It’s not like we had to wonder if sticking that album up under your parka was “technically” stealing.

    And boundaries. Teachers are expected to be at their students’ beck and call. They think that if they emailed you a question about their assignment at 2am last night, you’re somehow responsible for their missing homework due today.

    Of course some teachers then accept invitations to be their students’ “friends.”

    <>

    Like I said, I could go on all day with this.

  348. Trans went out on my truck. Between putting in a new fence and fixing the house up, I’m broke as a joke.

    Cashing out the ol’ etrade for the 3rd time in 2 months.

    No bail out for the Rabbit.

    Sucks.

    If only I told Fanny Mae to blow me and stalled them for a week, I’d be sitting on more cash then I ever had in my life.

    Opportunity cost is a bitch. I wish Obama would learn this lesson.

    Makes me even more irate when I read about my own President squandering 500 MILLION dollars for the sake of a few political points and a back rub.

    I don’t care if you are a lib or conservative, anyone who agrees to give this depraved President more of our money is beyond stupid.

  349. Muffy, I think about half the problems today with the younger generation(s), are that many of their parents were far more interested in being ‘friends’ than acting as ‘parents.’

    Many teachers make the same mistake. It’s a common form of insecurity on behalf of the parent and teacher.

  350. Rutherford,

    I know. Remember microfiche?

    I’ve adapted myself – or evolved, or whatever – in that once in a while I can’t find something I want and I’m really put out. An out of print book usually. Or a recording. Used to entail a pretty entensive search, lots of phone calls, and sometimes a long drive on a Saturday. Once I looked for a recording for at least 2 years. But it could be found. It existed somewhere.

    Now I’m as flabbergasted as the kiddies. Uh….wtf? I want this. Why is that so hard? Not even a torrent of it?

    Just funny. Weird funny.

  351. Remember microfiche?

    LOL …. I actually asked a librarian a few months ago about microfiche and she looked at me like I had lost my mind.

    I hate to sound like a real dork but I will never forget the thrill I got when I was in high school and I read the New York Times on microfiche from the day Lincoln was killed.

  352. Raji,

    But your are confident in our government to tell you the truth about the solvency of SS, hey?

    I could turn around and ask you since a rogue trader could be construed as a condemnation of the entire market, why don’t we just allow government to become Wall Street, as they are already involved in socialized venture capital?

    Solyndra, Chrysler, GM, Citibank, and AIG ring any bells?

  353. The rogue trader actually got caught and will be fired. Will be doing time in prison.

    Crony Capitalism works in the other direction. We are powerless. They get rewarded for their gambles while riding on our backs, like we’re common beasts of burden.

    Raji, i know it sucks. But, you can’t control everything.

    Bad people, bad luck, bad transmissions, bad apples, dirty fighters.

    You seem to want to check power and random shitty events by creating the ultimate unchecked powerhouse.

    If your mistrust is valid, it seems to me you would be running for life from the Nanny-zilla, the most vile beast on planet Earth.

  354. Speaking of beasts,

    The first audit regarding Fed emergency lending reveals…

    The largest single identified borrower was the Bank of America with $67 billion,

    :shock: These are the guys dumping thousands of jobs and doing the belly flop with brother Warren.

    Total borrowing on this basis totaled $1.1 trillion, according to the GAO’s “Table 9,” while two-thirds of the 15 largest institutions listed were from outside the United States.
    [...]
    In theory, these regulations called for banks and other financial institutions to hold higher capital against riskier assets, but in practice the regulators effectively outsourced their responsibilities and cemented the position of privately lucrative but ultimately disastrous financial practices.

    The second audit includes a broader examination of Federal Reserve Bank governance practices, and the GAO is expected to issue this report in October.

    Yikes. We need you Ron Paul!

  355. “I know it sucks. But, you can’t control everything.

    Bad people, bad luck, bad transmissions, bad apples, dirty fighters.

    You seem to want to check power and random shitty events by creating the ultimate unchecked powerhouse.”

    Rabbit, that just went in my quiver for the next argument over lawyers and the legal system. :lol:

  356. Do you guys have a corporation or capitalist ideal that would support your version of the “advantage of the free market” meme, or are you going strictly on conjecture and popular dogma?

    I don’t see business’ advantage to a more socialist economy. Privatization has only driven cost and relinquished controls. Enlighten me o warriors of the status quo.

  357. Tigre,

    I don’t think we should ban you bastards, I just think we should constantly bash you all the time.

    You motherfuckers hold a uniquely dangerous (yet, at times noble) position in society.

    Just this week I read about firms getting massive government bail outs, a lawsuit over a morbidly obese man not being able to fit in the chairs at White Castle, and the class of 2010 at a law school suing said law school because the graduates can’t find jobs.

    My lawyer bashing is admittedly unfocused, slightly tongue and cheek (otherwise known as passive aggressive) and full of stereotypes. The last thing I would ever want was regulation coming down on you.

    Yet, I stick to my guns. When you subtract bad shit from the good shit, its gotten to the point where you guys are a net loss for America.

    That and I’m kind of jealous of the profession.

    Did I ever tell you I took the LSAT? I did pretty decent on it. (At the same time I took the Postal Service Exam and did horrible, yet I got hired from the Vet points, but that’s a another whole story) I was around the 88th percentile. Supposedly I scored high enough to get a 75 percent scholarship at this place called Cooley Law School.

    From what I understand the philosophy of this school is that they accept everybody and then ruthlessly weed them out. I know the school gets ripped on quite a bit.

    I was going through admissions when I was required to provide the details of any trouble I had been in. I opened my big mouth and asked if non judicial punishment in the service counted. They said it did and I completely blew off filling out the required paper work. My heart was never in it.

    This teaching gig I have is becoming very iffy. I’m actually thinking about law school again.

    I can totally see myself doing something like Tex did with medical school, the difference being I’m not already financially successful.

  358. I can totally see myself doing something like Tex did with medical school, the difference being I’m not already financially successful.

    How bout being real glad you “met” Tex and have him as an object lesson. Save your money unless you are fully committed to getting the degree.

    I don’t know whether Tex feels the “experience” was worth the money he poured into Med school but something tells me knowing how practical he is that he’s a bit pissed to have tossed that money down the drain.

  359. Poolman. Did you have a straight face when you asked that?

    Poolman tries to convince me that America attacked its own people on 9-11 and now he wants me to give that very same government more of a role in society. I’m so confused.

    And then he says vote for a libertarian…..

    You should saw your own leg off and roast it on a spit with cloves of garlic and mint leaves.

  360. Rabbit my face was straight. That’s a straight up question.

    I’m ready to tear it all down and rebuild. We need all ideas, the good and bad, to compare. I was just wondering if anyone could back up the rant. I mean it sounds good, but? How do we know unless we see? It would be hell to try to reverse.

    Americans used to be more, “Oh yeah? Prove it!” Now it’s more, “Oh yeah? Okay. How much more is that gonna cost me?”

    We are beaten down and tired. These bankers have been living like kings. That is the ultimate corporate climb. The carrot many sell their soul for. Earthly paradise – the life that rewards 72 virgins of any age and gender. Let’s talk about entitlements. Let’s talk double standard.

    So yeah, I can straight-face ask about socialism. It works in communities. It’s been good for Scandinavians and the first church was more like a commune. I’m an old hippie, I can dig it.

    If you were king, what would you have?

  361. “Hello thor. Welcome to my world.

    Judging by your judgment, you hammered without construct.

    Could you expound on your critique?

    [After the jumpsuit thingie, of course.]

    First, the term: “people of faith”. How do you define that?” Poolman

    Hello Poolman. The clip starts out calling Christians corrupt liars. He doesn’t even qualify it. He just rounds them all up in one big bag. He whines about being told his actions will send him to hell and equates this commentary with hatred. It doesn’t have to be hateful. It could be an act of love, wanting him to save himself from hell. But he chooses to see it as hateful. He is choosing to see their evangelism as hate, when in fact, they are merely prosecuting their faith the way they feel they must, for their own salvation.

    I used the term “people of faith” because I didn’t want to exclude any one religion, and I could never name them all. I do think he could of at least included Hindus, Bhudists and Taoists. I mean, that’s a pretty big chunk of humanity he left out. “People of faith”, to me, would be anyone that believes in God(s). I guess that would be everyone who is not an atheist or agnostic.

  362. “Because New York demonstrated that Obama is quickly losing a core constituency – not to mention the richest one” Tex

    I heard Bush won this district in ’04. Nothing that can’t be fixed by ripping Ach-mein-dick-is-sad at the U.N. and then hopping over to the island for a little infrastructure announcement. Does JFK need a new runway? Doesn’t bode well for Florida, though. By the way, where does Florida come up in the primary que? After S.C.? It will be huge in the primaries and the general election.

  363. I know, prejudicial, but damn it, I couldn’t help myself. Anecdotal? Maybe, but my guess is that ex-cons aren’t all that pro-GOP…

    A paroled killer’s “Obama” bumper sticker was the break that helped cops nab the man accused of the cold-blooded murder of a Tedeschi’s convenience store clerk, jurors in Edward Corliss’ murder trial learned yesterday.

    “It struck me as odd,” state parole officer Kevin Devlin testified yesterday in Suffolk Superior Court about the campaign sticker plastered on the back of parolee Corliss’ white Plymouth Acclaim.

    “He’s a guy from Somerville, so I was surprised he was supporting Obama,” Devlin said.

    “I made a joke about it. He said it was on the car when they bought it.”

    Corliss is on trial for the murder of Surendra Dangol, a 39-year-old immigrant from Nepal and Jamaica Plain convenience store clerk who was gunned down on the day after Christmas in 2009.

    At that time, Corliss, now 65, was on parole after serving part of a life sentence for killing a Salisbury store clerk in 1971.

    After the shocking 2009 execution, Devlin learned police were looking for a car exactly like his parolee’s and dropped the dime that led cops to Corliss. Police said security video images of the robber’s getaway car show the same Obama-touting vehicle.

    Police said Corliss donned a hat and a woman’s wig, entered the store on Centre Street in Jamaica Plain, took $746 in cash and shot Dangol.

    Jurors almost didn’t hear Devlin’s testimony yesterday.

    Corliss’ lawyer John C. Hayes argued that if jurors learned Corliss was on parole they might be prejudiced in the first-degree murder, armed robbery and unlawful possession of a firearm case.

    But Judge Diane Kottmyer overruled him, advising jurors that Corliss is innocent until proven guilty.

    “The fact that he was on parole has nothing to do with the facts of this case,” she said.

  364. Rabbit, you’d make a great lawyer. You’re more persuasive than you give yourself credit for and aggressive as shit.

    But Tex is dead on: “save your money unless you are fully committed to getting the degree.” It’s a miserable three years of an incredible expense and unbelievable opportunity costs. Hell, about 35% of my first calass was gone by the end of the year.

    And it’s hard a shit when you get out too. I was tired as hell, working 80 works, and poor as dirt for years. The rewards come in the back half of the career, if at all. It’s even tougher if you’re not in the top third of your class.

    The biggest mistake I saw were the ones that went to law school to prove to themselves and their families they were smart. Those were the ones that now comprise the 80% of our profession that is miserable to doing what they do.

    I don’t know anything about Cooley, but I knwo this to be true. Law school is one thing, practice something quite different. Although I practice with several, Ivy League lawyers get opportunities but hardly represent the best of the profession in practice. There are some damn fine lawyers from bottom tier schools.

  365. Poolman, does it ever end with you? (that’s rhetorical — of course you’ll say “no” because you seek to expose the truth, just like Michael Moore seeks to expose the truth, that’s why you’re a truther). Maybe Greece, or better yet North Korea will accept you and you can report back on how good centrally planned economies are treating. If the objective for you (as it so clearly is) is for everyone to attain the same standard of living, you’ll love it! Innovation and societal economic ascendancy is overrated anyway. :roll:

  366. Tigre, :lol:

    I can certainly see Poolman in Kim Jong’s cabinet. Can’t you? Off hand, I can not for the life of me think of a more qualified candidate. Even Obama.

    I don’t know whether Tex feels the “experience” was worth the money he poured into Med school but something tells me knowing how practical he is that he’s a bit pissed to have tossed that money down the drain.

    Tossing money down the drain was the least of the problems. How about ending your entire career? I’ve been out of it so long, I doubt Iggy’s Rib Bar would hire me cook. And don’t overestimate my net worth – it’s less than it was in 1999. The answer is an obvious no.

    But had I been Rabbit’s age, I would have finished. I misjudged my capacity Brother “R” and Brother D.R. Somewhere around 45, I really started slowing down – 14/16 hour days, while trying to play Mr. Mom and take some measure of care for my elderly parents, was simply too much.

    If I could give you D.R. one piece of big brother’s advice, enjoy your son. Graduating attorneys are really struggling right now. Many can’t find jobs.

  367. “If I could give you D.R. one piece of big brother’s advice, enjoy your son. Graduating attorneys are really struggling right now. Many can’t find jobs.”

    Amen.

    No exaggeration, I receive 10-20 resumes per month from recently graduating lawyers at top schools. They’re in a world of hurt right now. And give most of them a year or two out without the experience they need, and they’re through. The next group emerges, the old stale before having a shot.

  368. One of my biggest frustrations in judging this Administration, is that they have been so grossly incompetent in every capacity, that we never have time to comprehend how criminal they are too.

    It will be an interesting election next year. We will finally answer the question has “progressive” politic become so efficient at buying and pandering for a vote, is it enough to overcome such obvious & abject failure in my estimation of the worst administration in U.S. history?

    This Lightsquared story is looking like it will make Solyndra appear mere child’s play.

  369. Tex,

    <>

    Wall Street wouldn’t allow it ! I have no confidence in our government to tell the truth about anything but don’t want to get involved in that “conspiracy thingy”

    Rabbit,

    <>

    Yep, I know it sucks especially since I am a control freak. I have run as far as possible from Nanny-zilla without leaving the country but I’m still required to wear a seat belt, not drink and drive and forced to be on Medicare! What!!! you say, who forced me to go on Medicare? The government and insurance companies, thank you very much, because when you turn 65 your insurance company of 20 years jacks up your premium to the amount that only zillionaires can afford. Ah, another “conspiracy thingy”. Not to mention the way the doctor’s office of 20 years now treats you. Growing old, Gentlemen, is not for the wimpy!

    Seriously, back to the issue of privatizing Social Security. The UBS scandal is not the exception, it’s the norm. Our government is just not as fast or as willing to put those guys in jail and/or broadcasting the dirty deed.

    Enron, Merrill Lynch, Goldman, Bank of America, ring any bells?

    I just don’t think the private sector will keep SS solvent any more than our government but at least since all the Dims & Repugs have to come to some agreement, no ONE person can go rogue. (Tex, I already know who you will insert :lol: I also think that by the time SS is insolvent we will have so many other areas insolvent SS and Medicare will be a moot point.

    Social Security needs a major overhaul. It originally was meant to protect the widows and orphans not subsidize the second home or yacht. It is ludicrous that people bringing in 100K from pensions and annuities are also drawing SS funds.
    Change the diapers but don’t flush the baby down the toilet. Speaking of diapers, as long as you have Nanny-zilla stripping depends off Granny at the airport, you have major problems to solve before you can overhaul any government agency.

  370. Thor, at 525.

    I don’t view it the same, apparently. The claim is corruption and lies. Then he explains they are operating from distortions of their core messages. True. That is the essence of corruption. When the respective leaders promote that distortion, it is a lie. Simple concept, really. No whining, just measured speech. A valid critique, imho.

    People of faith are god(s) believers in your world. Fair enough. I hold that everyone has faith. Some place it in athletics or sports teams. Others in science or technology. Most place it in themselves or other people and organizations.

    We exercise faith every moment we act and expect a certain result. Turn the key – the door will open, the engine will start. I know my way home and all the roads haven’t since been removed or rerouted, etc. That is faith to me.

    How we exercise faith is totally dependent on what operating system is installed. Christians should not be operating in world default mode. We are given an entirely different OS called HS that has superior virus and spyware protection requiring daily updates. Sometimes more frequently, depending on the attacks.

  371. “The biggest mistake I saw were the ones that went to law school to prove to themselves and their families they were smart. Those were the ones that now comprise the 80% of our profession that is miserable to doing what they do.” ET

    But it looks so cool on TV. LA LAW, Law and Order, J.A.G.

  372. The UBS scandal is not the exception, it’s the norm. Our government is just not as fast or as willing to put those guys in jail and/or broadcasting the dirty deed.

    Enron, Merrill Lynch, Goldman, Bank of America, ring any bells?

    No, it’s not the norm. If it were, the stock market would have been busted long ago.

    And once again you are missing the two most important components of my proposition: (1) shared risk of an indexed fund; (2) time.

    For every Enron, I can pick 100 MicroSofts, Apples, and Ciscos. The financial sector lays in tatters, but is it only a percentile component of the market. If for instance, you held a gold fund, silver fund, commodity fund like oil, your returns would have been quite substantial the last ten years.

    I feel Medicare can and will be means tested out of necessity. There’s possibly a good argument for doing so.

    But social security is like an insurance premium. Would you also means test somebody’s life insurance policy, because they happened to have been successful? And let’s not forget the company, large and small, had to match the funds over the life of the term.

    It’s egregiously unfair, divisive, and frankly fascist to promise anyone a benefit they have paid into their entire life, only to then strip it away in the name of social justice. In fact, your argument is also the more reason to remove Social Security from government hands, as it obviously can be used as both carrot and hammer at big brother’s whim.

  373. We exercise faith every moment we act and expect a certain result. Turn the key – the door will open, the engine will start. I know my way home and all the roads haven’t since been removed or rerouted, etc. That is faith to me – Poolman

    I believe faith is derived from the soul, not the synapses.

  374. R says, “FWIW Tex did not say that …. I did.”

    Sorry. I was confused since it made sense and I agreed with it. My bad. :lol:

    Hmmmm. Maybe I should reevaluate. . .

  375. Sorry. I was confused since it made sense and I agreed with it. My bad. :lol:

    Hmmmm. Maybe I should reevaluate. . .

    I figured as much. Hey even a broken clock is right twice a day. ;-)

  376. “But it looks so cool on TV. LA LAW, Law and Order, J.A.G.”

    Oh, don’t get me wrong. I drive fancy cars, eat at high end restaurants, live in a mansion, bang hot chicks all day long, and try cases the same day they are filed — winning everyone of them because the rules of procedure change to where you can just deliver a monologue rather than deal with “evidence” and shit that gets in the way of an obvious outcome in a just system. But the drama gets so damn tiring. . .

    (actually, some of my work is downright exhilarating but the bulk is a grind).

  377. Tex

    Let me try one more time to state my point of view then I think I’ve taken up enough of Rutherford’s blog time discussing the problems of social security.

    !. SS was “Originally” intended to benefit Widows and Orphans
    2. SS needs a major overhaul
    3. The government should not be in the business of issuing life insurance policies
    4. It is ludicrous for people in the 100K bracket to be part of a government “welfare” program.
    I did not intend to sound like Robin Hood! Of course anyone in the” current system” should receive benefits that they have paid into over the course of their working life.

    Re: your two components 1. shared risk of an indexed funds 2. time
    I do not share your faith in the integrity of professional money managers. I also do not think the average Joe or Jane has enough knowledge of investment procedures and would have to rely on the good faith of their manager.

    Point in fact. If one bought shares of Microsoft, Intel and Cisco in 1999 by 2001 he would have lost 60% of the value of his portfolio. If one bought those shares in 2002 that portfolio by 2011 would have a growth of about 4% due mainly to dividends as the stock has not much changed in value over time. So in one year you won and pick another year you lose. That’s too much risk IMO.

    A financial manager who handles “low risk” portfolios should never engage in a volatile market like gold/silver/oil. The lowest risk in the market is government securities/treasury bonds. I just can’t see a good solution in turning over social security funds to private firms to invest in the same securities if you want to stay in the low risk bracket.

  378. FYI, rogue money managers are the norm! These cases are usually settled quietly by the firms just like most malpractice cases that are settled out of court by doctors and lawyers. It’s a greedy world out there.

  379. Banksters. You trust banksters? The UBS crooks?

    Barack Obama, who entered the White House promising all this change, should be hailing Bradley Birkenfeld as a modern-day hero.

    He should erect a statue on Wall Street for this former banker for Swiss giant UBS who blew the whistle on the biggest tax-evasion scheme in U.S. history.

    Instead of rewarding Birkenfeld, Obama’s Justice Department is sending him to prison.

    UBS pleaded guilty and paid a $780 million fine in February, while thousands of Americans with unreported offshore accounts have been allowed to belatedly disclose them and pay civil penalties.

    Only Birkenfeld, the 44-year-old whistleblower, ends up in jail – the No. 1 example of injustice and hypocrisy in the age of Obama.

    Who can forget that priceless photo of the President playing golf on Aug. 24 during his Martha’s Vineyard summer vacation with Robert Wolf, president of UBS Americas?

    Wolf and his employees donated $540,000 to Obama’s presidential run. That made UBS the 12th largest source of his campaign funds.

    Of all the people in America to choose for a golf partner, Obama chose Wolf.

    The outing was only three days after Birkenfeld’s harsh sentencing and less than a week after UBS agreed to turn over the names of 4,450 of its American clients to the Justice Department. That’s just a portion of 19,000 American accounts the bank has admitted keeping secret from U.S. tax officials.

    So why is Birkenfeld, who gave hundreds of those names to prosecutors, going to jail?

    “Without Mr. Birkenfeld … I doubt … this massive fraud scheme would have been discovered,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Downing conceded at the Aug. 21 sentencing hearing.

    Nobody likes honesty or messengers nowadays. Nice.

  380. Have in your way Raji. You want to trust the SS Administration Office is telling you about solvency, who am I argue. They’ve lied for the last 60 years about a “lock box.”

    But just remember you heard it here – without either raising the maximum FICA (which will damage the economy further, leading to more job cuts), increasing the age which funds can be received (which they have already done twice to me), or privatizing the fund…

    …by 2017, people will begin to have their benefits cut. By 2022, the benefits will dramatically cut, and by 2035? Pennies on the dollar.

  381. Raji’s point is still a good one. Tex when you talk about investment you are focusing on a diversified portfolio, which is the only way to invest long term. That way as some stuff goes down, other stuff stays stable or goes up and capital is preserved long term.

    Most individuals are not disciplined enough to diversify their portfolio and I agree with Raji that too many money managers cannot be trusted with it either.

    I also agree that Warren Buffet should not be getting SS benefits.

  382. Raji’s point may sound good – it’s the lib line. People would not be investing – 3rd party managers would.

    The problem is the facts say otherwise…you to can dip into your “lockbox” in about 17 years and see what you’re left with. :smile: Somewhere, I’ll be grinning.

    Why don’t you create an “open” thread?

  383. “Raji’s point may sound good – it’s the lib line”
    :lol: :lol: If only I were a lib !!!!! Me trust the SS administration, that’s a laugh !!!!!!

    Have a great evening, guys

  384. @ Rutherford

    Money managers cannot be trusted as long as their salaries and bonuses are based on “productivity”.

    FYI, When you sign a client agreement with a financial firm, you agree to the terms of arbitration so you do not have recourse to a lawsuit.

  385. “The biggest mistake I saw were the ones that went to law school to prove to themselves and their families they were smart. Those were the ones that now comprise the 80 % of our profession that is miserable to doing what they do.” ET

    That’s hilarious because I swear that was the EXACT reason I took the LSAT and applied to law school.

  386. Tex said “without either raising the maximum FICA (which will damage the economy further, leading to more job cuts”

    Are you talking about raising the percentage or are you talking about lifting the cap, isn’t it around $110,000 currently? BTW, how about making that picture you spoke of in 496 your gravatar. You could be the thread’s all seeing, all knowing eye, like that creepy dude from Mordor. (Oops, I hope a Lord of the Rings reference doesn’t equate to automatic banishment around here.)

  387. Oh, don’t get me wrong. I drive fancy cars, eat at high end restaurants, live in a mansion, bang hot chicks all day long, and try cases the same day they are filed — winning everyone of them because the rules of procedure change to where you can just deliver a monologue rather than deal with “evidence”

    Kind of like James Bond with a briefcase. 007 – License to Litigate. Are there any lawyer movies you like or think are realistic? I like “A Few Good Men” if for no other reason than to watch Kevin Bacon act like he weighs any more than about a buck seventeen. The Nicholson meltdown is classic too.

  388. Rutherford opined:

    “…diversified portfolio, which is the only way to invest long term. That way as some stuff goes down, other stuff stays stable or goes up and capital is preserved long term.

    Most individuals are not disciplined enough to diversify their portfolio and I agree with Raji that too many money managers cannot be trusted with it either.”

    I have been in the investing “business” – my own money – for nearly forty years. From a purely Libertarian POV, SS is a complete rip-off – just another tax that won’t even give you back the value of the money you put in, after years of inflation have destroyed its value.

    The fact is that the average – or supra-average – person would be like a lamb led to the slaughter if he had his SS money available to invest. Remember that when you buy a stock in anticipation of its going up, you bought it from someone who sold it in anticipation of its going down, and these people you are playing against are for the most part real pros.

    A forced savings program has its merits, and would work OK – not great, just OK – if a) the money really did go into a “lock box” and was unavailable to the Congress to spend and b) investment vehicles were limited to investment-grade instruments or better. That means a boring, low-level return, but better than the basically negative rate you have now.

    The key is to lock it away from the Congress and I don’t see how you can lock out a determined thief with a chest full of tools at his disposal.

    First and foremost we must tie our currency to a hard asset such as gold. Money really has no value; it is just a convenient benchmark to assign relative values to various goods and services so we can trade them. It is a temporary store of value only; the danger comes when Congress, the Fed, the President et al are able to inflate its value by unbridled printing and thus steal a large part of its value before it can be turned into another good or service. (For all those of liberal persuasion, that’s called another “tax.”)

    From my very biased POV, in terms of the economy there are only two people that I would like to see run this government, in order: Ron Paul and Elizabeth Warren – either could be prez or VP; I don’t care which. Mitt Romney would run a distant third but would be very acceptable; he is miles ahead of his nearest competitor. Just my opinion.

    I see a glimmer of hope. We may just get this cadre of thieves and socialists out of office and we may just have acceptable candidates who can do it. Cross your fingers.

  389. This National Labor Relations Board power play against Boeing moving to South Carolina to protect union donators, is about as horrid a misuse of power by the federal gov’t as anything I’ve ever witnessed.

    Reason #1021 why the federal gov’t must be reduced, the NLRB razed and rebuilt, and Obama must go. It’s his hand picked appointee that is leading the charge against Boeing.

    If for no other reason Rutherford, your observation Obama a centrist is laughable if you take a good look at his appointees. Virtually everyone of them is a radical progressive or union goon.

  390. are able to inflate its value by unbridled printing

    I don’t know how to ask this question without sounding like an ignoramus but the cure to stupidity is getting ones stupid questions answered.

    Why wouldn’t unbridled printing of money deflate its value? I thought “things” in great supply were worth less than things in small supply.

    Since at least two of you have some education in economics (Tigre and Tex), perhaps you can gently instruct this humble student?

  391. “Are there any lawyer movies you like or think are realistic?”

    Only one: My Cousin Vinnie

    The rest, including the t.v. dramas, are to a lawyer what the OR scenes in MASH would be to a surgeon.

  392. You already answered your own question. You have it right. The value of your purchasing power is deflated.

    Suppose then that the government prints an extra $5,000 creating a total money supply of $15,000 instead of the $10,000, but the output of the production of bread stays the same. Since people have more cash, but the number of loaves of bread stocked is the same, they are willing to spend more to buy a loaf of bread (inflation).

    Say this forces the price of a loaf of bread to increase (inflate) by 50% today from $1.00 to $1.50 and you purchase the loaf, the money you spent on a per dollar basis to purchase the bread is worth 2/3 of what it was worth yesterday. You would have received only 2/3 of a loaf for a dollar.

    If your wages were also increased by 50% to offset the higher priced loaf of bread, all things would be equal. But we know that earned wages are not increasing at the rate as inflation, and are in fact being squeeze. Therefore, your wages you earn are worth less on a per dollar/value basis.

    Make sense?

    Here, this is for you people who bashed George Bush for Iraq. I would like you guys to refute any of this.

  393. R, I think PF meant Inflated relative to its actual value sionce it’s not tied to a precious meat (or some other tangiblre asset of univeral value). He mentioned that since our currency is no longer to the gold standar, it is only comparative value so if there’s more of it it “represents” greater “value.” After that, what you said is entirely correct, so if I am mistaken about what PF meant I don’t know what the hell he was talking about.

  394. Rutherford – pieces of paper have no value. Because it is difficult to know exactly how many hogsheads trade for three brake cylinders and what the change would be made of, we all agree that a hogshead is worth thirty dollars – or sixty, or ninety. We also agree that one brake cylinder is worth ten dollars. Now we can trade. I want hogsheads; you want to fix your car and in the long run we are trading goods, not paper.

    Along these lines it doesn’t matter how many dollars represent one hogshead or one cylinder, as long as the proportion remains the same.

    The problem comes when you don’t know what things will be worth a year from now. Now you can’t trade effectively.

    A second problem comes when people try to save paper money in order to have a little cache (of cash) available for future use. The government of course casts its greedy little eye on that, because by simply printing more paper, it can take part of that value from you and keep it itself. This is called the “hidden tax of inflation.”

    It is as simple as it seems. And that’s why the govt loves a little inflation – say 4% or so, and is terrified of deflation. It’s a little sweetenin’ on their already egregious tax rate, but they don’t have to face the voters over it because the voters don’t realize it for what it really is – a additional 4% tax..

  395. Let’s try that again:

    R, I think PF meant Inflated relative to its actual value since it’s not tied to a precious metal (or some other tangible asset of universal value). He mentioned that since our currency is no longer tied to gold, it is only of comparative value, so if there’s more of it it “represents” greater “value” (at least temporarily).

    After that, what you said is entirely correct, so if I am mistaken about what PF meant (there is no intrinsic value to currency because it is fiat), I don’t know what the hell he was talking about.

  396. “The government of course casts its greedy little eye on that, because by simply printing more paper, it can take part of that value from you and keep it itself.”

    Only temporarily — and very temporarily. With the enormous debt structure we have now, I don’t agree fully with this. The realtive value of the doallr against foreign currency is very significant when it comes to government debt.

  397. are to a lawyer what the OR scenes in MASH would be to a surgeon.

    It’s funny that you called out M*A*S*H since the OR scenes in that show always struck me as very realistic.

  398. Putting aside the last 30 seconds or so of conjecture about Osama’s thoughts in his last days, which were pretty good, my summary of the video posted by Tex is:

    George Bush could drop a turd into Bill Whittle’s mouth and Bill would lick his lips and ask for more. :neutral:

  399. OMG! :shock: I could only go through 6 whole minutes before I had to get up and get some air. I’ll go back when I get my balance back and try for a full viewing. It is so thick even I can’t breathe. I don’t like sweetener in my drink. Whewww.

  400. LOL, I probably should be insulted that you guys want a new “thread” and not a new article. Oh well, a new article should raise its ugly head within the hour.

    P.S. Just how old are the PC’s some of you guys are using? A bit more RAM and an up to date browser might make your lives easier. ;-)

  401. That is the official story, Tex. All glossified. Even comes with a moral. :neutral:

    Uncle Sam is the good guy in the battle of good and evil. But Obama and his cabal are the evil social-fascists? Are you for government or against it? This Bill guy is SO over the top.

    The real facts don’t jive with the narrative. Remember FACTS?

    Take this one for instance.

  402. I knew that would burn the Bush bashers…that was the truth. Rest assured, the more Poolman hates something, the more realistic and truthful it is. I use Poolman to measure how truth, just as I use Rutherford to gauge the success progressivism. One is an utter fool and major loser; the other, in denial and weeping and gnashing at Obama’s failures, taking it personally.

    Whittle is best thing to confront the American haters. He completely destroys the lib narrative, plus the troofer bozos every time he creates a video.

    I think I’ll make that a regular post. Save your videos anymore Poolman. If they are for my benefit, I don’t even bother anymore.

  403. FDR did it.

    They would have to put a bullet in my head to get the few coins I have.

    I would become a revolutionary. I’m dead serious.

    I do think heavy taxes are coming on bullion/coins. I know Obamacare calls for some sort of taxes.

  404. You’ve got your new thread. BTW, take the 8 minutes to watch the Jon Stewart video. Even those of you who consider him a liberal shill will enjoy this video tremendously.

  405. Since people have more cash, but the number of loaves of bread stocked is the same, they are willing to spend more to buy a loaf of bread (inflation).

    Tex, you definitely lost me on that one statement. If I have $10.00 instead of $5.00 why would I pay more for a product whose value has not increased just because I have more money?

    Or, are you saying that the flat supply of bread makes it a more scarce commodity for which those with more money would be willing to pay more?

  406. I did a poor job of explaining that. Like me try to explain it another way, because it is confusing.

    To understand, you got to understand this. Inflation is either a increase in the level of consumer prices or a decline in purchasing power.

    In our case of printing money, inflation is caused by money supply growing faster than the economy. So we are talking about “monetary inflation” leading to “price inflation.”

    Since each each dollar is worth less because the supply of dollars has increased, a business will have to raise prices of their bread just to get the same value for their product.

    Does that make sense?

  407. “PF,so do you support the US government making the private possession of gold illegal??”

    No. It is one of the few ways we can hold the govt’s feet to the fire about inflating the currency. Not very powerful, but it does give them pause. Which is why, of course, FDR made it illegal. Can’t have people with an alternative to fiat money, can we now?

    R – let me to a little thought experiment with you.

    Suppose you and I are alone in the world and there is a million dollars of goods and services available, total and a million dollars in printed money extant. Everything is balanced and the money supply so far is so good.

    Now suppose I have 500K of that money and you have 500K, for 1M total. Still good.

    But I have a printing press, so I print another million bucks, for a total of 2M in circulation. Since the 1M in goods/services are being chased by 2M of dollars, each dollar in effect becomes worth half as much. THIS IS A CRITICAL POINT. FIAT MONEY IS JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE – IT IS SUBJECT TO SUPPLY AND DEMAND.

    But you still have 500K printed money – with which you can buy 250K of stuff, since the dollar’s value is half, and I have 1.5M of printed money, which is worth half or 750K goods and services.

    See what I just did? I stole half of your purchasing power and didn’t even have to face you in a dark alley or at the polls.

    That’s how Geithner, The Bernank and Obama intend to solve this crisis: Print money and take the easy way out (easy in the short term, but disastrous in the long term), by robbing American citizens of their hard-earned money, stiffing our creditors by paying with inflated dollars and in general being crooks.

    Nice job, boys.

  408. So how do you return to the metals standards? I say metals because gold alone,especially when it is held by anything other than the govt. can’t cover the economy.

  409. I’m out of my depth here, but it would seem to me that it’s like rebuilding your carburetor – you know, the last sentence reads, “Assemble in reverse order.”

    We simply say, “the dollar is now tied to gold. It is worth $1800 bucks to the oz. We will exchange $1800 in paper money for one oz of gold.”

    Of course with the massive money-printing that has taken place recently, the price of gold is likely to go to at least 3K/oz IMHO, so they will have to pick a realistic number.

    They are terrified to do this thing of course since it means the voodoo shit is over. If they keep inflating the currency, people will want gold in payment; that’s why it works so well. It ties the bastards’ hands and keeps them from debauching the currency.

    I hope Richard Nixon is burning in hell. I couldn’t care less about Watergate or anything else. I hope he is burning in hell because of what he did to our currency. They used to say, “sound as a dollar!” Not any more. But it could return. Probably not in my lifetime, though…

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