Dick, Are You Kidding Me?

September 1, 2011 at 7:44 pm 559 comments

Cheney's heart?I’ve been casually observing the former Vice President of the United States, Dick Cheney as he embarks on his book tour for In My Time, his personal memoir covering some forty years of public life. I watched the softball interview he had with NBC’s Jamie Gangel. I saw a question or two from Matt Laurer, slightly tougher in tone. This morning Cheney got his toughest interview to date from the crew at MSNBC’s “Morning Joe”.

What absolutely floored me took place at the 19 minute 45 second mark when Mike Barnacle asked Cheney how he could let Osama bin Laden slip through his fingers at Tora Bora in 2001.

Cheney’s response was that the commander in the field felt that  “the locals could deal with that particular problem.” Excuse me? That particular problem? That particular problem was public enemy number 1, the man single most responsible for 9/11. How could we possibly leave his capture up to the “locals”? How could any commander in Afghanistan at the time not be under strict orders to do anything and everything to capture Osama bin Laden?

My suspicion is that the commanders weren’t given these priorities because the administration’s vendetta against Saddam Hussein was already in full swing and Osama bin Laden, our real enemy, was off our radar. What blows my mind is Cheney’s ability to go on national television without an ounce of remorse and admit to gross incompetence. Perhaps what is worse is that no follow-up question came from the “Morning Joe” panel. Something along the lines of “Dick, are you kidding me?”

Until some interviewer asks Mr. Cheney if he is afraid to leave the country  for fear of being prosecuted as a war criminal, I will consider his public grilling incomplete. The silver lining to this book tour would be if the proceeds from In My Time went to the survivors of the Iraq war dead. I won’t hold my breath. After all, we are talking about a man whose hunting buddy apologized for being in the path of Cheney’s bullets when he got shot in the face.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  • 1. El Tigre  |  September 1, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    “By the way, here is Rushbo’s response to Wolfe’s playing of the race card:”

    Okaaaaaay. So?????

  • 2. Rutherford  |  September 1, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    I actually posted that on the prior thread. It was just posted for your entertainment. I know how you boys love Rushbo. :-)

  • 3. El Tigre  |  September 1, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    I can’t wait to read Cheney’s book.

    R, do you plan to? You obviously didn’t even listen to what Cheney said.

    “Asked Cheney how he could let Osama bin Laden slip through his fingers at Tora Bora in 2001.”

    Who is “he” kemosabe? Cheney is not the commander. He also said it was flawed judgement from the “commander in the field.”

    Cheney also explained your lame “suspicion” about the motives about the decision.

    The reason that there were no follow ups as you suggest is what you suggest makes no sense. Cheney = vice president. Geeez.

  • 4. El Tigre  |  September 1, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    Yeah, but the prior page loads slow, so I didn’t want it to get away. I thought you had a point, especially since you made me listen to 7-8 minutes!!!! :twisted:

  • 5. El Tigre  |  September 1, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    But I’m going to listen to Cheney’s comments one more time to see what I’ve missed. I wonder whether you posted the wrong clip. . .

    (also there is no 19:45 minute mark on this one)

  • 6. El Tigre  |  September 1, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Nope. I listened to it again. I’m not seeing what you’ve extrapolated from it R. . .

  • 7. El Tigre  |  September 1, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    Listened to the whole thing. Please disregard my comment on the time marker. I didn’t’ see the link to the whole thing, but I was convinced you were hearing things. Little voices. From an imaginary friend. So I turned up the volume and played it in reverse. I swear Cheney said Palin instructed them to let Bin Laden go if he promised to only kill black people next time.

  • 8. Tex Taylor  |  September 1, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Rutherford forgets it was “enhanced interrogation techniques” that actually led to Osama taking one in the eye. And who pushed the hardest for enhanced interrogation techniques? Darth Cheney.

    What happened to closing GITMO? Buwahahahahahaha….

    I love Dick Cheney – anybody that rattles Obama like that man does is more than okay in my book. Ripped the pacifier right out of Obama’s ass mouth. Did you hear his “shovel ready comments at the opening of Bush’s Presidential Library?” Best line of the entire political season. Cheney debating Obama would be like Patrick Henry debating Charlie Sheen.

    Brilliant and ruthless – we could use a thousand more like Dick Cheney. Neocon amongst neocons.

    Long live Halliburton!

    The biggest SNAFU at Tora Bora was that we didn’t nuke the SOB in my opinion. But I will give you Rutherford L. that we screwed the pooch on that one. Pisses me off too.

  • 9. Tex Taylor  |  September 1, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    I swear Cheney said Palin instructed them to let Bin Laden go if he promised to only kill black people next time.

    :lol: I’d paint bulleyes on Sarah’s “cheeks” if she would let me. I saw her in a skirt yesterday, and all I could think about was hubba hubba – what a brick house.

    If Sarah Palin stripped in front of Rutherford, he would babble, froth and hide in the tall weeds.

  • 10. Tex Taylor  |  September 1, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    Pretty good and convincing argument of Dim tactics for the 2012 race. It’s all they have got. Undoubtedly, their trial balloon isn’t playing very well either.

    Left Paints the Campaign as Religious War

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/york-left-paints-campaign-religious-war

    As a bonus it mocks the term ‘Dominionists’ too. If it weren’t so pathetic and the election of dire importance, I could laugh at the visible attempt.

  • 11. El Tigre  |  September 1, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    “But I will give you Rutherford L. that we screwed the pooch on that one.”

    He didn’t say that. He said “Cheney” screwed the pooch.

    I love that Cheney’s out there promoting his book right now. He has the brains, the balls and the demeanor that the left secretly envies because it doesn’t exist on their side. The contrast is stark.

    But I swear, Mika really cut him to shreds, didn’t she? I mean. . . do you think she’s pretty?

    God I’d pay to see dumb-fuckers like O’Donnell or Olbermann try and take him on directly. That would be entertaining!

  • 12. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 1, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    Condi says Cheney is full of shit on some things in his book. That’s good enough for me. I’m not a big fan of his and have a great deal of respect for her.

  • 13. Tex Taylor  |  September 1, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    I must apologize for those poor oppressed Palestinians I keep reading about here. It looks like some of those rotten Jewish tyrants musicians tried to barge in on their…

    OH WAIT!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14756736

    Classy people, they are. :wink:

  • 14. Tex Taylor  |  September 1, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    I never was much of a Condie fan, though I personally like her well enough. Though not an out and out phony like Colin Powell, I always thought her foreign experience a little light for the level of the position. She is bright.

    I always thought her appointment sheer appeasement to unruffle feathers over Powell’s firing resignation. A little politically correct for my tastes.

    How in the hell was Stormin Norman, a great man, reporting to that schmuck Powell? Talk about an unearned reputation…

  • 15. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 1, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    Whether or not Palestinians are a classy people doesn’t have anything to do with the actions of 30 individuals any more than the actions of a flash mob or abortion site bomber should reflect on you.

  • 16. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 12:14 am

    I’m not sure how a flash mob would apply to me…I can’t think of an abortion bomber since 1996 and Eric Rudolph. Maybe my memory is failing me.

    Would you like me to post one to two of these a day – loving acts of kindness and civility from oppressed, innocent Palestinians? It’s really very easy.

    If you can do the same with abortion bombers, please do.

  • 17. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 12:18 am

    Tigre, just to clear up some confusion even though I think you’ve figured it out, I’ll explain it to the others.

    The clip that appears in the post itself is a trimmed clip so folks don’t have to listen to the entire 26 minute interview just to get to the part I picked out. However, some folks get my blog via RSS feed and don’t get the clip embedded so I had a link to the full interview and I identified the point in the entire interview at 19:45 when Barnacle asked his question. I probably could have made that clearer in the body of the post.

  • 18. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 12:26 am

    Now Tigre, onto your other area of confusion.

    Bush, Cheney and Rummy were calling the shots in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Priorities in the field should have been crystal clear. So Cheney says the commander in the field made a mistake. Show me anything that documents that commander being demoted for the error … a colossal f*cking error … that is unless we really didn’t give a damn about Osama and were more interested in Hussein.

    Again … the locals could deal with the problem? How could it be possible for any commander in Afghanistan within 3 months of our losing 3000 people to Osama bin Laden to think he could let the locals deal with the problem?

    It was rank incompetence of the highest order which Cheney writes off as a “problem” the “locals” couldn’t handle.

    As I recall …. and I don’t have the patience to go find a citation right now … commanders in the field made it known to higher-ups that they had bin Laden within their sights … and they were called off. Cheney can’t say that on national TV can he?

  • 19. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 12:32 am

    I always thought her foreign experience a little light for the level of the position.

    Tex wasn’t Condie NSA before becoming Sec of State? Seems like plenty of foreign experience to me. Before that she was an expert on Soviet stuff for the National Security Council.

  • 20. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 12:38 am

    God I’d pay to see dumb-fuckers like O’Donnell or Olbermann try and take him on directly. That would be entertaining!

    You really think Crazy Larry didn’t want to get a shot at Cheney on “Morning Joe” today? Believe me, if the producers asked O’Donnell to be on that panel he would have been there with pleasure. They knew better because he would have asked Dick what it’s like not to be able to leave the country.

    As for Larry’s own show … Dick wouldn’t be seen dead on it. But I give Dick a bit of credit for not limiting his TV book tour to Fox News and other conservative outfits.

  • 21. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 12:44 am

    As for Sarah’s “cheeks” and other attributes, when have I ever said she wasn’t a good looking woman? (I honestly don’t know what folks see in Bachmann … she just doesn’t do much for me.)

    But just as you shouldn’t vote for someone because you want to have a beer with them, you shouldn’t vote for someone because you want to f*ck them either. :neutral:

  • 22. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 12:58 am

    O’Donnell would have been frothing at the mouth and red in the face when Cheney got through with him, all calm and collect.

    See if you can arrange a death match between the two of us – Crazy Larry, not Cheney; I don’t need an M.I. on stage.

    For some reason, Crazy Larry is the one guy on TV I would like to kick the shit out of, and when he cries foul, I’ll beat his ass some more. He seems to want a fight. I would love to give that mouthy pussy a chance at redemption. I think he reminds me of this toad from a fraternity house I once knew. Ugly, with a big mouth. The closest I got to killing him was a clip, trying to take shred the ACL in a tackle football game without pads. Fucker bounced head first off the ground, but I didn’t cause irreparable damage like I intended.

    I’ve always had this fantasy of knocking Larry down, and then when he tries to get up, punting his face with a pointed cowboy boot or a steel toe right in the teeth.

    There’s something about that guy that just screams put a javelin through my skull, or impale me on the White House fence. :evil:

  • 23. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 1:04 am

    I think Brother Rabbit and I shared much in common in our late teens and early 20s. Different time, same attitude.

    I remember a few brawls at the beer house, but I never took on a lumberjack, and I damn sure stayed away from the wrestlers. They really were crazy.

  • 24. dead rabbit  |  September 2, 2011 at 1:09 am

    Man…Cheney is hilarious. Its literally impossible for me not to like him. Motherfucker could put me in Gitmo and I’d still love hearing the guy talk.

    If we sent troops into those same mountains that even kicked Alexander the Great’s ass, Rutherford would be writing posts on how Darth Cheney needlessly sacrificed 500 troops for a pointless trophy.

    But…

    Cheney should admit it was, indeed, a colossal screw up. That was Bush’s fuck up. Cheney needs keep it real and say as much.

    Rutherford’s amateur hour analysis for why we didn’t go in for the kill is silly bullshit.

    His war criminal charges anti-American.

    Most liberals despise Cheney because he is not a emasculated Edwards type. They gravitate towards man-bitches.

  • 25. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 2, 2011 at 1:20 am

    “I’m not sure how a flash mob would apply to me”

    You’re an American. People in flash mobs are Americans. That is enough of a connection for you, isn’t it?

    “Would you like me to post one to two of these a day – loving acts of kindness and civility from oppressed, innocent Palestinians? It’s really very easy.”

    Not nearly as easy as it would be for me to post daily examples of Americans behaving in ways by which you would not want to be judged. I could post one every hour of every day and not even begin to scratch the surface.

    It wouldn’t be right to judge you or me or Americans in general based on the actions of a microcosm of our population and it isn’t right to judge the Palestinian people based on the actions of 30 rude people in a London protest.

  • 26. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 2, 2011 at 1:24 am

    I just signed up for a free month of Netflix. Holy crap, it is documentary heaven! I am in the middle of enjoying the 10-part History Channel series on the American Revolution.

    Good stuff!

  • 27. an800lbgorilla  |  September 2, 2011 at 5:20 am

    OK G, serious question. We talk about having no boots on the ground in Libya but isn’t it true we’ve got CIA special ops on the ground there helping the rebels?

    I’m not going to sit here and say covert missions are not necessary but by the same token, am I to believe you when you say the CIA isn’t up to its ears in some pretty funky stuff, albeit for patriotic ends?” – R @ Comment 426

    I’ve seen nothing that says it other than some speculation by the media.

    What’s funky? We do funky stuff all the time, that doesn’t mean we’re the architects of revolutions across the Middle East.

    Again, I ask why I have to prove a negative? Paul talks out his ass because the man is fucking senile. Piss Pot is a liar and racist, yet you’re scooping up his shit like nothing else. Make him prove these things, not the rest prove against them…

  • 28. an800lbgorilla  |  September 2, 2011 at 5:47 am

    Bush, Cheney and Rummy were calling the shots in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Priorities in the field should have been crystal clear. So Cheney says the commander in the field made a mistake. Show me anything that documents that commander being demoted for the error … a colossal f*cking error … that is unless we really didn’t give a damn about Osama and were more interested in Hussein.” – R

    *Sighs*

    Because R, that’s not how it works.

    I’m beginning to think you don’t read any of my comments, since I talked about this premise in comment #281 of the last thread:

    “The great uncertainty of all data in war is a peculiar difficulty, because all action must, to a certain extent, be planned in a mere twilight, which in addition not infrequently — like the effect of a fog or moonshine — gives to things exaggerated dimensions and unnatural appearance.” Karl von Klauswitz, On War

    We have a saying for this: for every plan, the enemy gets a vote. Which basically means that once combat has been engaged, most plans turn into great ideas- nothing more.

    Let’s not forget the context of what was happening at the time, like the bulk of our “army” in Afghanistan at the time was Afghan militia that had been organized by SOF and CIA. It wasn’t like the footprint that is there today.

    On December 3, a group of 20 U.S. commandos was inserted by helicopter to support the operation. On December 5, Afghan militia wrested control of the low ground below the mountain caves from al-Qaeda fighters and set up tank positions to blast enemy forces. The al-Qaeda fighters withdrew with mortars, rocket launchers, and assault rifles to higher fortified positions and dug in for the battle. The CIA paramilitary officers, inserted with a highly trained Afghan force, were engaged by friendly fire, however stayed in the fight despite taking significant casualties.[1]

    Anti-Taliban tribal militia continued a steady advance through the difficult terrain, backed by air strikes guided in by U.S. and British Special Forces. Facing defeat, al-Qaeda forces negotiated a truce with a local militia commander to give them time to surrender their weapons. In retrospect, however, many believe that the truce was a ruse to allow important al-Qaeda figures, including Osama bin Laden, to escape.[citation needed][who?]

    On December 12, the fighting flared again, possibly initiated by a rear guard buying time for the main force’s escape through the White Mountains into the tribal areas of Pakistan. Once again, tribal forces backed by U.S. special operations troops and air support pressed ahead against fortified al-Qaeda positions in caves and bunkers scattered throughout the mountainous region. Twelve British SBS commandos, and one British Royal Signals Specialist from 63 Signals squadron now known as 18SFUK, accompanied the U.S. special operations forces in the attack on the cave complex at Tora Bora. Special Forces Operators of the German KSK took part in the battle as well. They were purportedly responsible for the protection of the flanks in the Tora Bora mountains and conducted reconnaissance missions.[2]

    As the Taliban teetered on the brink of losing their last bastion, the U.S. focus increased on the Tora Bora. Local tribal militias, paid and organized by Special Forces and CIA SAD paramilitary operations officers, numbering over 2,000 strong, continued to mass for an attack as heavy bombing continued of suspected al-Qaeda positions.

    By December 17, the last cave complex had been taken and their defenders overrun. No massive bunkers were found, only small outposts and a few minor training camps.[3]

    A search of the area by U.S. forces continued into January, but no sign of bin Laden or the al-Qaeda leadership emerged. Former CIA officer Gary Berntsen, who led the CIA team (consisting primarily of CIA Paramilitary Officers from Special Activities Division) in Afghanistan that was tasked with locating Osama bin Laden, claims in his 2005 book Jawbreaker that he and his team had pinpointed the location of Osama bin Laden. Also according to Berntsen, a number of al-Qaeda detainees later confirmed that bin Laden had escaped Tora Bora into Pakistan via an easterly route through snow covered mountains to the area of Parachinar, Pakistan. He also claims that bin Laden could have been captured if United States Central Command had committed the troops that Berntsen had requested. Former CIA officer Gary Schroen concurs with this view[4] and Pentagon documents are suggestive.

  • 29. an800lbgorilla  |  September 2, 2011 at 5:53 am

    As for Condi and Cheney- I like them both for different reasons.

    I’m not a fan of neocons- not even a little. But I liked that Cheney was passionate about defending the nation, and was willing to push the envelope- not break the law- to do it.

    I think Condi was a pretty damn savvy stateswoman. I think she was far better than Clinton, and I think she was better than Powell (who could have been a LOT better, IMO).

    If I had to pick between the two today, I’d go with Condi because Cheney is the dog you bring out when you really need to fuck some stuff up. We never had a chance to see it, but I wonder what he would have been like as a peace time VP.

  • 30. an800lbgorilla  |  September 2, 2011 at 6:08 am

    As for the Saddam vendetta bullshit, would you grow up. Really, three months after 9/11 and you think Bush was pushing for Saddam? That’s asinine and you know it.

    The left regularly makes these ridiculous comments about the Iraq war, but not once- NOT ONCE- have they EVER been able to substantiate them with fact or logic.

    Oh, oh, oh, oh, I know, I know- Bush said that Saddam threatened his daddy. That’s it, yeah, yeah, that’s it!!!!

    Ok, sure, he personalized it because he’s the only person since JOHN QUINCY ADAMS to lay claim to a father as President. The point of what he was saying was that Saddam presented multiple threats against the United States.

    Oh, oh, oh, oh, I know, I know- Bush did it for oil and Haliburton. That’s it, yeah, yeah, that’s it!!!!

    *Sighs* And how much oil are we getting now that we’ve taken over the Iraqi oil infrastructure? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

    Exactly, we don’t get any Iraqi oil. I don’t even think we have any US oil companies working in Iraq.

    So, if you’re going to make crack-pot assertions about things, then back it up. How was the failure of Tora Bora tied to Iraq and Saddam? What’s the causal relationship between the two.

    I’ll wait…

  • 31. an800lbgorilla  |  September 2, 2011 at 6:40 am

    (National Journal) — After consulting with President Obama, House Speaker John Boehner has invited him to address a joint session of Congress at 7 pm EDT on Sept. 8.—and Obama has accepted.

    Boehner’s office said Obama requested the 7 p.m. time slot, which will solve one programming problem while creating a time zone problem. A 7 pm start will allow Obama to avoid competing with pre-game coverage of the first game of the 2011 NFL season. The opening contest pits the defending Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers against the New Orleans Saints, who won the Super Bowl the year before.

    But the pre-prime time start on the East Coast puts Obama on TV sets at 4 p.m. on the West Coast, where millions will be at work, in traffic coming home from work or retrieving children from post-school activities.

    This continues to be the gift that keeps on giving…

  • 32. an800lbgorilla  |  September 2, 2011 at 7:01 am

    No, the answer is much simpler. He doesn’t realize he’s getting pummeled. He thinks this is all still a genius strategy to capture centrists by compromising on every single little thing. He is not trying to put on an appearance of weakness to lull his opponent into a false sense of complacency. He doesn’t even realize he is being weak. He’s the one with the false sense of complacency. As he’s getting knocked around the ring, he thinks he’s winning.

    These guys in the Obama camp are in for a horrible, rude awakening. Sometime in the next year, they are going to blink and realize they are lying flat on their back on the canvas. Then as they finally stumble up, they’ll realize they should have started fighting 11 rounds ago. Then a panic will set in, but I’m afraid it will be too late by then.

    Here is what all voters, and especially independents, despise and disdain in a politician — weakness. Nobody wants to see their leader get beat to a pulp every night and then bow his head again.

    There is no secret, brilliant strategy. This White House is in a bubble. They think they’re winning when the roof is about to cave in.

    He’s quickly becoming my favorite Red-on-Red writer…

  • 33. an800lbgorilla  |  September 2, 2011 at 7:40 am

  • 34. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 8:08 am

    You’re an American. People in flash mobs are Americans. That is enough of a connection for you, isn’t it?

    That’s such a lame analogy and specious statement, I’m not even sure it worth answering. If you can’t figure out the difference between targeting a specific race, creed or color and some bad behavior by the general populace within a general populace, then I’m not going to try explaining it to you.

    But I realized last week that you are not really interested in seeking justice or the gospel truth. Before hand, I thought maybe you were just confused. But after, I decided you’re a lackey, propagandist and appeaser justifying Hamas for some unknown reason. Perhaps you really do hate Israeli Jews.

    And I base that on you linking to an article where the Israeli military killed a child while trying to kill military targets, while you apparently ignored that Palestinians not only precipitated the fight without provocation that we know of, but aimed directly civilians, including killing a family of four – the latter never even making mention from your lips.

    ——-

    Netflix is full of documentaries – and many are good. I especially enjoyed the documentary about the testing of the nuclear bomb, complete with the entire visual history. Nothing like watching a 60 megaton bomb go off. :twisted:

  • 35. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Gorilla, the link in #32 isn’t working, and I’d like to read it.

  • 36. El Tigre  |  September 2, 2011 at 8:22 am

    “Most liberals despise Cheney because he is not a emasculated Edwards type. They gravitate towards man-bitches.” -Rabbit.

    Ain’t that the damn truth.

  • 38. an800lbgorilla  |  September 2, 2011 at 8:35 am

    Zero jobs created in August…

  • 39. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Uh oh. I’m afraid after numerous religious discussions on Rutherford’s board, our brilliant Dr. Pfesser has turned me at Fat Grannies. Even joined up with some of Helen’s favorites that were once avowed enemies.

    I wonder if it was mocking the Alaskan bloggers or snickering at Dominionist world takeover that finally pushed him over the edge? Or the observation his familial track record didn’t read like the Brady Bunch after all? Perhaps it is that I’m a better, bigger and badder asshole?

    There’s so many inconsistencies in the Kid’s tales of excellence, I am becoming rather suspect.

    The asthmatic Karate Kid is even providing a bit of latent physical threatening now, always reverting back to his “coal mining” days of yore and his friends.

    I’m so shaken…

  • 40. El Tigre  |  September 2, 2011 at 8:45 am

    R — geeeeez.

    “So Cheney says the commander in the field made a mistake. Show me anything that documents that commander being demoted for the error … a colossal f*cking error … that is unless we really didn’t give a damn about Osama and were more interested in Hussein.”

    First, who was the commander and show me your proof he wasn’t.

    Second, you blamed Cheney. Nice try at guilt by association. Back it up, which shouldn’t be hard since your evidence was supposedly in the clip you linked to.

    Third, Cheney admits it was cluster fuck.

    Fourth, your dumb assertion that it was the Hussein focus for the Tora Bora missed opportunity is neither accurate, logical, nor supported, especially in this interview despite you assertions to the contrary.

    Fifth, I’d buy tickets to that dumb-ass O’Donnell v. Cheney. O’Donnell is an absolute moron. I have little doubt he would relish the opportunity to “go after” Cheney — like a chihuahua relishes is lacking in self awareness it’ll go after a doberman. And you know what? O’Donnell wouldn’t even know he got his ass kicked. I think that happened with Condi and it was funny as shit.

    So what’s the significance of Cheney not leaving the country and MSNBC missed opportunity? Let’s say he agreed he wasn’t going to leave the country because he might be arrested elsewhere. Other than appealing to the pussy appeasement crowd in its tireless quest for validation, so fucking what? Ooooooh. Our enemies and the pussies in other parts of the world think he’s a criminal.

    Fuck. I think Obama should be scared to return to this country every time he leaves. But of course O’Donnell shouting accusations at Cheney like everyone else while the responses make him look like the biggest tool of the century appears tough to you guy that watch home.

    You know what? The fact the the mere site of Cheney makes you guys go bonkers but utterly incapable of backing up any of your bullshit is why I’m loving this. When it gets tired again, can we go back to accusing Palin of culpability in the Tucson shootings?

  • 41. El Tigre  |  September 2, 2011 at 8:47 am

    “like a chihuahua is so lacking in self awareness it relishes going after a doberman.”

  • 42. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Rutherford,

    One thing I have noticed more of late, and maybe its with lite intent you do so purposely. I don’t know.

    But have you noticed that it is getting harder for you to dig up the superficial fluff anymore than address real issues like economy, foreign policy, even political races.

    The further things go south for Obama, the more we ignore Obama. :wink: Bachmann doesn’t provide enough ammo, and with Palin out of the spotlight, we need a new bogeyman.

    Hence, Dick Cheney. He’s a good one.

  • 43. El Tigre  |  September 2, 2011 at 10:16 am

    R hates when I say this. And I’ve said it many times. But Obama is irrelevant. Since he’s got no accomplishments to be promoted, there ain’t a whole lot of places for R to go (other than admitting the obvious). I mean, look at them struggling to give Obama credit for being tough guy by green-lighting the Bin Laden assassination. Yawn. :roll:

    Going after Cheney right now is a trap for the left. The timing of his book is no accident. But I know they can’t help themselves, so I’m putting my popcorn in the microwave.

  • 44. PFesser  |  September 2, 2011 at 10:16 am

    3.6 million year-old wooly rhino discovered.

    (For you Creationists, that would be 6,000 years.)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14754317

  • 45. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Is there a Creationist on this board who thinks the earth 6,000 years old and you’re hiding? Expose yourself.

    Me, I think the earth 4,600,000,000 years old give or take a click or two. However, that wooly rhino looks suspiciously like a modern rhino without hair. Kind of like a wooly mammoth. Is this big news Lucy?

    Wanted to ask our resident “evolutionist” a question the other day. One my daughter, the same one who entered medical school at the top of the class with the highest of MCAT scores, noted for my amusement of the godless. She’s probably a Creationist too by definition, because she dares believe in a Creator too. You know how it works in the humanist world. Taboo.

    These enzymes Pusser? Biological catalysts that force reactions sometimes billions of times faster than reaction left to its own accord, and one that no where on earth can we duplicate anything like even today in manufacturing, organic or inorganic. Perfect induced fits?

    Exactly how did they come about again after a gazillion years? We’re just dying to know from an ‘expert’.

    ——

    You’ll have to forgive Pfesser this morning for his rotten demeanor. He once again had to get personal when the conversation didn’t even include him. Seems I had the unmitigated gall to correct quite a few lies yesterday about Texas and Rick Perry at the Abortion Mill Board, and well, naturally with Perry being a Fundie Creationist, Pusser got diarrhea over the conversation.

    Therefore, I had to spank the Coal Miner’s daughter when he got shitty this morning.

    Today, will be a day full of rage for Pusser. :smile: Perhaps trophy wife has made new demands for the step children.

  • 46. poolman  |  September 2, 2011 at 10:44 am

    If the devil did not use him so much, Cheney would have been history long ago and his plastic toy heart would have fused.

    It’s funny to see people still believe he shot that lawyer accidentally. He does NOTHING without cold calculation. Nothing.

    Iraq was planned way before 9/11. That IS the record.

    But go ahead and spin, spin, spin… Dance while you can.

  • 47. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Tigre,

    Going after Cheney right now is a trap for the left. The timing of his book is no accident. But I know they can’t help themselves, so I’m putting my popcorn in the microwave.

    You could be on to something, and I have contemplated the same thing. Cheney is way too clever to do anything by accident (besides shoot his buddy). He knows he is about to die, and might be leaving us one last excellent legacy.

    You figure these old, brilliant bastards have had just about enough of the MSM’s slobbering lovefest with Obama, and now they are going to draw attention and force this election to be about the results of the largest failure for President in history? Keep the MSM tied up while Obama is forced this time to engage instead of hide?

    Excellent….

  • 48. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Here’s a revelation that’s a shocka. :roll:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/01/fineman_dems_tell_me_campaign_will_be_down_and_dirty_attack_on_gop.html

    I many nominate Fineman as my new stockbroker. What insight!

  • 49. an800lbgorilla  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:03 am

    WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama is directing his administration to withdraw a controversial proposed regulation updating government smog standards.

    The withdrawal comes two days after the White House identified seven proposed regulations that would cost the economy at least $1 billion each. The proposed updated smog standard was estimated to cost anywhere between $19 billion and $90 billion, depending on how strict the standard would be.

    In a statement, Obama says he made his decision in part because it is important to reduce regulatory burdens on businesses as the economy recovers. He says he is still committed to protecting public health and the environment.

    P-A-N-I-C

    I think we’re in a double dip recession, and the third quarter GDP numbers are going to reflect as such. This is a move to stave off the official moniker of recession in a desperate bid to keep GDP from going negative in the 4th- two consecutive quarters of negative growth defines recession. I don’t think it’ll work because Obamacare is the main hindrance to hiring.

    If the January/February reflections of the 4th quarter are negative, and we do officially go into a double dip, then Obama is toast like no one’s business. Likewise, I think the GOP takes the Senate in 2012, but the degree of control they get will be exponentially increased with a double dip.

    Has anyone seen a political movement collapse so fast and in such fashion? I remember the stories of how the GOP was going to be dead for a generation and that Obama was ushering in decades of Dem control, yet, in reality it took but two short years to prove that meme false. The trick now is to not fall into the same hyperbole about the Dems, but the political collapse we’re seeing is second to none. A double-dip recession right now could potentially destroy the Dems for a decade or more.

  • 50. Curator  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:06 am

    @Gorilla #30

    Really, three months after 9/11 and you think Bush was pushing for Saddam? That’s asinine and you know it.

    The left regularly makes these ridiculous comments about the Iraq war, but not once- NOT ONCE- have they EVER been able to substantiate them with fact or logic.

    Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld disagrees with you, or is his facts not good enough anymore?

    According to Mr. Rumsfeld’s new memoir, the president leaned back in his leather chair and ordered a review and revision of war plans — but not for Afghanistan, where the Qaeda attacks on New York and Washington had been planned and where American retaliation was imminent.

    “He asked that I take a look at the shape of our military plans on Iraq,” Mr. Rumsfeld writes.

    “Two weeks after the worst terrorist attack in our nation’s history, those of us in the Department of Defense were fully occupied,” Mr. Rumsfeld recalls. But the president insisted on new military plans for Iraq, Mr. Rumsfeld writes. “He wanted the options to be ‘creative.’ ”

    When the option of attacking Iraq in post-9/11 military action was raised first during a Camp David meeting on Sept. 15, 2001, Mr. Bush said Afghanistan would be the target. But Mr. Rumsfeld’s recollection in the memoir, “Known and Unknown,” to be published Tuesday, shows that even then Mr. Bush was focused as well on Iraq.

  • 51. El Tigre  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:16 am

    “You figure these old, brilliant bastards have had just about enough of the MSM’s slobbering lovefest with Obama, and now they are going to draw attention and force this election to be about the results of the largest failure for President in history? Keep the MSM tied up while Obama is forced this time to engage instead of hide?”

    I do, I do.

    I also think they care enough about our country to do it on principle.

  • 52. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Curator, great to see you back dude! Hope you’ve been well and thanks for the supporting documentation. :-)

  • 53. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Gorilla,

    The fact they won’t call this a double-dip recession is so illegitimate, that I can’t even take the economic labeling seriously anymore. Some stupid bastard economist on Yahoo! Finance this morning was saying this recession is due to government “contraction” like Europe is finding out. We just spent 26% of the entire monetary transaction last year on some Federal expenditure, and some Obama lackey and propagandist is calling that a “contraction.” He can’t possibly be that stupid.

    This whole economic debate is such a shell game, anybody in their right mind should call it what it is: broken and depressed, like everything else Obama touches.

    What boggles my mind is why is election cycle even debatable? If Obama is the candidate of choice, it should be over with this very minute. That’s how fucked up America is, and that is what I was trying to convey yesterday. The fact that I guarantee you next year, the election will swing by no more than 7-8%. At the very least, that clearly indicates almost one out of two Americans is so brain dead, they can’t function without massive assistance.

    When job growth is zero, and we all no that is baloney as more and more people we know are joining the unemployment ranks, real unemployment has to be nearing 20% or more. It would not shock me real underemployment is near 50%.

    Thanks to Obama and his academic minions, this is 1932 – only now instead of food lines, we have food stamps. And we didn’t even get a new dam out of it.

  • 54. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Huck, Netflix rocks! Although I was a bit pissed when they changed their pricing scheme. Oh well. It’s still a great service. I’ve been a member close to 10 years and I used to own stock in it.

  • 55. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Damn know/no…

  • 56. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:26 am

    You like NetFlix Rutherford? I’ve only had it a couple of years, and at first I enjoyed it. Three disks and unlimited streaming. Like Huck, I watched several of the documentaries, several foreign films which were quite good like The Kite Runner, etc…

    But after a time, I have found the streaming portion of movies to be so limited, I’ve given some thought to canceling and switching over to something else. For disks, I now use RedBox.

  • 57. El Tigre  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:26 am

    “It’s funny to see people still believe he shot that lawyer accidentally. He does NOTHING without cold calculation. Nothing.”

    Poolman, you’re a funny loon.

    You know. I went quail hunting with one of my law partners for the first time in my life about two years ago. I had never shot a gun before them. I damn near blasted him Cheney style. Know why? He didn’t follow the rules and walked ahead (into my path). In other words, it was his fault. Had I more experience, it would’ve been more likely that he would’ve gotten blasted because I would’ve been much less guarded.

  • 58. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Actually, on the type of quail hunt they were on Tigre, it would be very easy in brush to accidentally shoot someone. I’ve been peppered with bird shot more than once on a couple of white collar dove hunts, but from more than 40-50 yards, shot doesn’t even penetrate unless a specific size.

    One of my friends was shot in the leg on the exact type of hunt Cheney participated, and both were experienced hunters. It happens, just as when I left a fishhook barb in my grandfather’s ear once. Oops…

    When I used to hunt, I always wore goggles for that very reason.

  • 59. Curator  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:41 am

    @ Rutherford
    “Curator, great to see you back dude! Hope you’ve been well…”

    We moved… new home…new job.

  • 60. El Tigre  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Tex, my comment got cut off.

    I said something similar about the use of a 20 gauge with a choke set for close range wing hunting.

    Seriously. If you were going to blast somebody, you wouldn’t do it this way. It’s laugh out loud.

    I guess Poolman thinks Cheney was trying to “send a message” to his lawyer buddy. “keep your mouth shut or next time it’s for real!”

    hahahahahahaha

  • 61. El Tigre  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Oh, the quail hunt was the same type Cheney was on. I’ve gone 3 times since and even bought shotguns for me and my wife. We go to skeet range together sometimes for fun. My client owns the plantation. Quail hunting like we did is pretty swanky stuff that I would never pony up for out of pocket (folks pay $15k for a weekend). And in all candor, I say that it barely qualifies as a recreation when done “Out of Africa” style like we did. But it was hell of a lot of fun for this city kid. My biggest concern really was hitting the one of the dogs.

  • 62. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Tigre, add to the fact Cheney was using a 28 gauge because he is frail and it’s lightweight. If you’re going to kill someone with a shotgun, a man as smart as Cheney would surely have sense to pick up a 20 gauge with “00″ shot to leave about a grapefruit sized hole.

    I always thought Poolman tilting off the edge of the pool. But until the last couple of weeks, I never suspected he had his head stuck squarely in the drain.

    It’s gone from light hearted comedy or so I thought, which for a time I found humorous as anybody entitled to a few quirks, to outright slander.

    And I have felt that way for a time now.

  • 63. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:56 am

    but I wonder what he would have been like as a peace time VP.

    He probably would have been an effective peacetime VP. Everything I’ve heard points to 9/11 seriously changing the man from a reasonable public servant to a paranoid warmonger.

  • 64. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    And on that note, while I don’t particularly like the man, he did describe something that might have screwed over my head too. On 9/11 he’s sitting in his office minding his own beeswax when the Secret Service comes in, grabs him by the belt, physically pulls him out of his chair, and basically says “you have to come with us Sir”. Now if that isn’t enough to make you crap your pants, I don’t know what is.

    So the question is who is the better man … Cheney who bunkered down and launched an era of torture and unfounded wars, or me who would have either resigned or had a nervous breakdown right then and there. LOL I already know the answer from this board’s denizens. :-)

  • 65. El Tigre  |  September 2, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    “Everything I’ve heard points to 9/11 seriously changing the man from a reasonable public servant to a paranoid warmonger.”

    Stands to reason since the only thing you listen to is MSNBC. :lol:

  • 66. El Tigre  |  September 2, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    R, I really do hope you read his book. I know I will. I fear you don’t care to really hear what he has to say because it might not fit the MSNBC narrative your so waveringly accept without question.

    BTW, like Obama, I am sure first you would’ve tried to figure out the attack was the republicans’ fault, then tried to apologize for making the terrorists angry.

  • 67. El Tigre  |  September 2, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    “unwaveringly”

  • 68. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    LOL will wonders never cease. Gorilla is not only reading Salon.com but he’s praising Cenk Uygur. I can die now …. I’ve seen it all. :-)

  • 69. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    The further things go south for Obama, the more we ignore Obama. :wink: Bachmann doesn’t provide enough ammo, and with Palin out of the spotlight, we need a new bogeyman.

    Hence, Dick Cheney. He’s a good one.

    You might have a point if Cheney was just sitting back on the Wyoming ranch with the grandkids. But he’s the one who decided to publish a book. That makes him fair game for commentary.

  • 70. dead rabbit  |  September 2, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Yup, Cheney’s plan was to pepper that guy with bird shot. Poolman nailed it.

    Tigre, I hate to finger wag you, but if you are the one firing the weapon, its ALWAYS your fault, no matter the circumstances. That’s the responsibility you are willing to accept when you pick up a weapon. At least that’s what my Dad taught me about hunting.

    I don’t even like Duck hunting out of a blind because of other people. Bird hunting can be dangerous. Particularly when you’re walking in the brush. No thanks.

    Duck hunting is awesome in the U.P. but its so damn cold out there.

    Plus, who the fuck likes to eat wild duck?

  • 71. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 2, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    “So the question is who is the better man … Cheney who bunkered down and launched an era of torture and unfounded wars, or me who would have either resigned or had a nervous breakdown right then and there. ”

    The better man is George Bush, who said in interview the other night that he told everyone he wanted to go to the White House, and they all told him “no” and took him to a Midwest bunker, instead.

  • 72. dead rabbit  |  September 2, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    I mean to respond to a couple things last blog entry.

    Rutherford, I don’t think atheists are evil. I could even vote for one. I’m just calling out the ridiculous allegations thrown towards Christians here. Dominionism? Ha. Come on, man.

    Tex, I got out of oil two days ago. But you have to remember, I usually trade options. At best, I’m a swing trader. Sometimes, I buy and sell in one day. If my spidey senses detect danger, and I’m already up money, I sell. If oil tanks, you are just sticking on stock that will one day bounce back up. My account could be cleaned the fuck out! :)

  • 73. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    LOL …. Tex, unless, like Sarah Palin, you write your own fan mail, it looks like you have an anonymous defender over at Fat Grannies. :-)

    I’m just glad you and PF are stinking up the board over there. So far, this thread has been interesting and relatively absent of noxious gases.

    P.S. I really don’t get the folks who comment over at M&H and start with “I love you Helen”. Is that some sort of geriatric condescension? Most of my “I love your blog” comments go in the spam filter as they are just methods to plant a link and get some SEO love.

  • 74. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    It’s funny to see people still believe he shot that lawyer accidentally. — Poolman

    ROTFLMAO

    Now c’mon Tigre, G, and Tex … give me a little credit. Even I didn’t go down the road of saying Cheney deliberately shot his hunting buddy.

    LOL … Poolman, you are TOO much! :-D

  • 75. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    The trick now is to not fall into the same hyperbole about the Dems, but the political collapse we’re seeing is second to none. A double-dip recession right now could potentially destroy the Dems for a decade or more.

    LOL Good to see you following your own advice. NOT!

  • 76. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Thanks to Obama and his academic minions, this is 1932

    Yeah while Hoover was still President and before FDR fixed everything. :-)

    I’ve said it before … Obama needs to stop singing the praises of Reagan and start acting like FDR. (Then again, with the country in trouble, Reagan did a virtual clean sweep in 84 so I guess there are some lessons to learn there.)

  • 77. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Tex, I do agree that if you only subscribe to Netflix streaming, you’ve got an inadequate set of choices. The best, and sadly most expensive alternative is streaming plus disks.

  • 78. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    We moved… new home…new job.

    Curator, sounds like my life minus the new job. :-)

  • 79. El Tigre  |  September 2, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    “Tigre, I hate to finger wag you, but if you are the one firing the weapon, its ALWAYS your fault, no matter the circumstances.”

    Who are you kidding? You love to finger wag me. :lol:

    I understand your point/comment. But the quail thing from what I can tell is different from just about anything else. When you aren’t side by side (as the shooter assumes), and lock on, depending how you came at the covey, and the mighty broad pattern, it’d be mighty hard to blame the shooter rather than the one that broke formation.

    Of course fault is a relative thing. For example, you couldn’t fault me for blasting G-chin’s ass even if he were directly behind me on the horse.

    Have you ever shot quail? It’s the only living thing I’ve ever shot at with any weapon. I was really reluctant to go and had a blast. Mrs. Tigre had a blast too. And I’ll tell you what I learned. There’s something erotic about a good looking woman shooting a gun. . . well so long as it’s not just to chase me off like usual.

  • 80. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 2, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    My son agrees that Netflix streaming only doesn’t give enough selection for his tastes. I have only had it for 3 days, so I am still really excited about it. But I do watch a ton of documentaries and TV episodes of shows my wife hates online, and I usually have to find someone streaming them illegally, so I could probably find content I am interested in for a long time.

    Even if I let the free month lapse and don’t renew it, I can already tell I will probably use the service when I start teaching, for the documentaries alone.

  • 81. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    Obama needs to stop singing the praises of Reagan and start acting like FDR.

    But he has – minus the dam. :smile:

    So, I have one defender. An anonymous one at that. Well, there’s a loose screw on every motor.

    No, that wasn’t mine. But I do swear that the author of that awful blog assumes a bunch of incognitos. Surely, there aren’t people that weak.

    If you ever have absolutely nothing to do Rutherford and you want a good laugh, click on the links of some of those sappy women. It will not only make you feel like Matt Drudge as blogger, you’ll come away feeling real good about yourself, thanking your lucky stars somebody has it a lot worse.

  • 82. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Huck, if you like the documentaries, then you’ll love NetFlix. The documentaries are one of the few things that stay pretty current and there’s hundreds if not thousands to choose from. It would be worth the $8.00 a month.

    For my birthday, my wife bought me two blue rays: Kings Speech; The Fighter. I haven’t seen the latter.

    So I went out to NetFlix the other night, and they generally have one or two new featured movies, and that is about it. It was “The Fighter.”

    My luck. :mad:

  • 83. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 2, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    Nice, Tex. And happy belated B-day.

    Now I just need to figure out how to get it from my computer to the TV without buying extra equipment or extra services. If I can do that, the Mrs. might even OK the expense!

    How is The Kings Speech?

  • 84. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Thank you.

    The King’s Speech is excellent. Some people found it boring – I thought it was the best movie I had seen in five years. It you appreciate good casting and fabulous acting, you would really enjoy it, and supposedly it is historically accurate.

    Do you have a flat screen? I did it for cheap PC to TV, but most of the time, I simply use the blue ray to stream.

  • 85. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 2, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    No, I have an old projection big screen and equally antiquated home entertainment hardware. I (think I) know what jacks I need to connect a laptop to it. Software might pose a problem. It’s not something I have ever done so I am not real confident of my abilities to do it.

  • 86. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Huck, I know you don’t want to invest in more hardware but the easiest way to get Netflix on your TV is to either buy a TiVo Premeire or a Roku. Needless to say I own both. I’d recommend a Roku for you. It carries Netflix streams as well as others (Hulu Plus I think is one of them). We’ve been real happy with our Roku box although we haven’t hooked it back up since we moved. It’s also not too expensive and its compact.

  • 87. Curator  |  September 2, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    Huck,

    NETGEAR Powerline Adapters will get you Internet to your TV pretty cheaply. Then you need something like a PS3 or a Blueray player to stream. Very few TV’s do this by themselves. I happen to have two Powerline adapters I no longer use. :)

  • 88. Rutherford  |  September 2, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Curator, did you take your blog down? Your URL expired. :-(

  • 89. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 2, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Unfortunately, my budget does not allow for any new home entertainment hardware, and, unlike some…I don’t have the ability to print more money or raise my credit limit any time I want to buy something I can’t afford.

    If a simple VGA to S-Video cable running from my laptop to TV and some (free) software won’t do the trick then I am SOL on that.

  • 90. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 2, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    I swear if I hear anymore about Boehner’s “unprecedented disrespect” of the president I am going to lose it.

    Because it was neither “unprecedented,” nor was it “disrespect.”

  • 91. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  September 2, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    1. Fuck. I think Obama should be scared to return to this country every time he leaves.

    Amen, brother. Amen.

    2. Dick Cheney has chunks of gadflies like Rutherford and Crazy Larry in his stool. Chuck Norris is known to wear Dick Cheney pajamas to bed, fer cryin’ out loud.

    3. Yeah while Hoover was still President and before FDR fixed everything.

    Yeah. Just like FDR, he’s doing his damnest to turn a recession into a depressin as well.

    4. There’s something erotic about a good looking woman shooting a gun. . . well so long as it’s not just to chase me off like usual.

    Its like you and I are brothers…and our wives are sisters. :lol:

  • 92. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  September 2, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    Because it was neither “unprecedented,” nor was it “disrespect.”

    Yes, it was.

    Just not Boehner’s.

    Projection is a 24/7 collaboration between minitru and this administration.

  • 94. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  September 2, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    This is what we had to wait for?

    Same crowd that expected us to “pass it to see what’s in it”.

  • 95. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    unlike some…I don’t have the ability to print more money or raise my credit limit any time I want to buy something I can’t afford.

    :lol: And you guys have been under the impression I have money. Haven’t earned a dime in eight years. I just “print more” when I need it. Works for Ben figured it would work for Tex.

    Huck, some of these blue ray players are getting pretty darn cheap that allow you to stream. I saw one the other day for $89.99 at Best Buy. If that would be compatible with your TV, Curator and I do the same thing and its pretty slick.

    Part of my complaint with NetFlix is that I don’t find it completely reliable all of the time. I’ll be watch a streaming video, and it just freezes.

  • 96. dead rabbit  |  September 2, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    “There’s something erotic about a good looking woman shooting a gun.” -T

    Oh fuck yea, dude. Chicks LOVE going to the range, too. Even ones who are very reluctant. There eyes light up after a few rounds.

  • 97. pfesser53  |  September 2, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    Any of you guys do HBO GO? It’s free if you are a cable subscriber to HBO. My wife watches Big Love every night in bed with her iPad. Anything HBO has is free on HBO GO; we have watched the John Adams series and a buncha other stuff.

    Love technology.

  • 98. Curator  |  September 2, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    “Curator, did you take your blog down? Your URL expired.” Yep. I let it. Good timing too since I was between jobs and not earning. That and all the expenses that go with moving. We are at $10,000 and counting. A lot of belt tightening.

  • 99. dead rabbit  |  September 2, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    I’ve never done the quail shoot thing. I’ve watched on Public TV…. that’s it.

    Were the birds released out of a cage?

    I can’t believe how cheap hunting gear is going right now on Craig’s list. This is a bad sign of the economy in these parts, considering hunting season is not too far off.

    I’m buying a left handed Hoyt bow in perfect condition for 75 bucks!

  • 100. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    Lord, is that how much it costs to move anymore? It’s been 20 years since I’ve done it, and that was only across town a couple of times. I can’t even remember what we paid.

    I do remember all that “stuff” that seemed so important not to scratch, now resides out on our back patio with the dog.

    My wife swore she would never buy another piece of furniture a couple of years ago, then one of the pups chewed a hole in my recliner a couple of months ago. :smile:

    Oops. Something about “You can sit on the springs. Here’s a beach towel to put over the hole.”

  • 101. Curator  |  September 2, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    What did Cheney say to Laura Ingraham?

    “Well, I’ve never gotten around the question of her having left the governorship of Alaska midterm,” Cheney said. “Iv’e never heard that adequately explained so that I could understand why, how she decided in her first term to step down and still be — I’d like to know more about that.”

    Does Cheney own a calculator of any type?

    $$$$$$$$$$­$$$$$$$$$$­$$$$$$$$$$­$$$$$$$$$$­$$$$$$$$$$­$

  • 102. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Does Cheney own a calculator of any type?

    Been he’s got one with Halliburton insignia on it next to the dollar sign. :wink:

  • 103. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Rutherford, have you ever used Form W9, or anyone else for that matter?

    The reason I ask is that my daughter #2, the one still in college, was asked to fill one out for the dance and ballet classes she teaches. I’d find it hard to believe she makes more than a thousand bucks a year, as she only teaches a couple of nights a week. Is that what contractors use?

    You think I’m dumb at law, try taxes. I refuse to do them, and my wife has always handled ours, so I am completely clueless.

  • 104. Tex Taylor  |  September 2, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Forget it. One withholds (W4), one doesn’t (Form W9).

  • 105. poolman  |  September 2, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    Half way through comments, thought I’d add one.

    Dick Cheney is a person of impeccable character. :roll: He never apologized for it. Though he has joked about it often. The news reported they were friends too, which was not the case. I personally think this lawyer was too ethical for Dick and probably said something Cheney didn’t like. Cheney IS an experienced hunter. Given that fact, I don’t see how it could have been an accident. Just me. Draw your own conclusions, but learn the facts first.

  • 106. pfesser53  |  September 2, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Poolman – I spent much of my grade school years and all my high school and college years hunting. Accidents happen – especially when you have sighted game. Your vision tunnels and you don’t see anything else. A friend who was a good, safe hunter nearly shot one of his buddies when a rabbit ran down the drain (as in “little valley”) between them. I nearly shot a fellow taking a shit, who was rooting around behind a deadfall at the gloaming. I could see a squirrel perfectly in the dim light. When he stood up to pull up his pants it was a man. I guess in his case you could say shit happened – and other shit nearly happened, too. I don’t have any reason to think the Cheney accident was anything but.

  • 107. poolman  |  September 2, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    I know hunting accidents happen.
    Why report it a day later with spin?
    They made it out as the lawyer’s fault.
    Why wouldn’t you apologize if sorry?
    Did you even read the article?

  • 108. an800lbgorilla  |  September 2, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    If I remember correctly- and I do- there was a full review of ALL operational plans, with priority being given to current, ongoing operations, i.e. Op Souther/Northern Watch and the general enforcement of UNSC resolutions.

    So yeah, there was a review of operational plans (i.e. war plans), but that’s not new. By the by, you don’t review plans you don’t have, like Afghanistan, which is why we had to rely on the Northern Alliance so much.

    Once again, we get a nugget of truth and then twist the hell out of it to try and make it into something that it is not.

  • 109. poolman  |  September 2, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Did you see McCain’s eye twitch in the video I posted last thread when Cheney’s phone call interupted McCain”s interview regarding a Halliburton corruption investigation? Just like the mob. He thought he was dead meat. Well, I guess he really is, anyway. He just gets to walk around for now.

  • 110. poolman  |  September 2, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    General Wesley Clark vs Magilla’s nugget.

  • 111. pfesser53  |  September 2, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    “I know hunting accidents happen.”

    Didn’t mean that as an insult. I don’t know how much you have hunted, if any. As a kid and young man I lived in the woods and even now I see this stuff all the time.

    “Why report it a day later with spin?

    Because he is the VP and is embarrassed.

    “They made it out as the lawyer’s fault.”

    I never heard it that way. All the news I heard said Cheney shot the guy in the face. That’s always the shooter’s fault; I don’t care who else did what. Somebody here already said that.

    “Why wouldn’t you apologize if sorry?”

    I don’t know that he didn’t. It wasn’t enough of a brouhaha that I even followed it, except to say, well at least he didn’t kill the sonofabitch…

    “Did you even read the article?”

    No. Life is short; I’m not that interested in it to spend the time. AFAIK it’s a hunting accident. Period. Happens all the time. I don’t read anything else into it. Maybe it’s a conspiracy – who knows? So what? Pray for better marksmanship next time.

  • 112. El Tigre  |  September 2, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    Rabbit, released from a cage? You’re supposed to release them before shooting? :lol:

    No. These were wild (although some places use farm raised and release — but they are lethargic and less desireable because they’re easier to nail from what I’m told — no predators until set out — kind of like G-chin going downtown).

    They covey in groups of about 8. The dogs spot, point, you get ready, and they’re flushed. They scatter in all directions very quickly and will light on the ground in usually a 50-100 yards.

    Quail don’t fly, they flee.

    You’ve got two shots per flush. So, you’ve got to quickly lock on, fire, and if lucky set your sites on the second. As PF said, you get tunnel vision by necessity. Since quail generally get no higher than about 20-30 feet, you’ve got to be really careful not to pepper the dogs who instinctively start to retrieve after a the blast.

    Generally two shooters per flush. One should 9:00 to12:00, the other 12:00 to 3:00. There’s always going to be a litlle cross over. The shooters have got to stay side by side or risk getting shot. If you can visualize it, you can see how it doesn’t take much carelessness to hit your buddy (or dog or horse or guide). You’re swinging that barrell around.

    I can’t imagine the remorse Cheney felt but can also see why his buddy apologized to him for the scare if he didn’t adhere to protocol, even of they shooter bares responsibilty.

  • 113. El Tigre  |  September 2, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    PF, I figured a tough coal miner such as yourself killed with your bare hands.

    Poolman, you’d make a great quail hunter. The birds would die of laughter.

  • 114. pfesser53  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    “PF, I figured a tough coal miner such as yourself killed with your bare hands.”

    I bite their heads off, Alice Cooper style.

  • 115. poolman  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    Poolman, you’d make a great quail hunter. The birds would die of laughter.

    I guess if I was hungry enough I’d could go for quail. If I could kill them with humor, all the better. Geese, however, I could likely strangle with my bare hands. I’ve had geese. They are evil.

    Hunting for sport is not my game. I do love to fish and eat what I catch. The streams are stocked with rainbow trout, but the brown and Apache are harder to catch and put up a better fight. I think they are yummier, too.

    I’m fond of chicken and turkey, even cornish game hens. That’s about it on foul. I first decapitated chickens at my friend Billy’s house on Oahu when I was five. Now that left a lasting impression. His family had hundreds and supplied plenty of neighbors with fresh eggs and meat.

  • 116. dead rabbit  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    I bet quail hunting is a blast (no pun intended). I should try it one time. Kind of like intense skeet.

    I’m terrible at skeet. but every now and then I blast every one out of the sky and I don’t know how I did it.

  • 117. dead rabbit  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    Why in God’s name someone would pay 15 grand to shoot quail is crazy, even if you are rich.

    Now that is mind boggling.

  • 118. dead rabbit  |  September 2, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    Tigre, would you ever consider going bow hunting?

  • 119. Rutherford  |  September 3, 2011 at 1:48 am

    I bite their heads off, Alice Cooper style.

    PF I must correct you my good man. Alice threw a live chicken into the audience thinking it would fly … and of course it got torn to shreds. It was Ozzie Osborne who bit the head off a bird … I believe during a record contract negotiation. :-)

  • 120. Rutherford  |  September 3, 2011 at 1:55 am

    One thing that made me chuckle was Tigre busting Graychin’s chops even though the man hasn’t been here in weeks (maybe months).

    Reminds me of the good old days on ChenZhen’s blog when I would wander over and find Tex declaring a fatwa on me on a particular thread when I hadn’t even contributed to that thread yet.

    Ahhhh, good times, good times. :-)

  • 121. pfesser53  |  September 3, 2011 at 5:11 am

    re: Alice Cooper and the chicken.

    This is the incident I was thinking about:

    http://www.sickthingsuk.co.uk/events/chicken.php

    I had thought he really did it, but apparently it was some kind of urban legend thing that never happened.

  • 122. Tex Taylor  |  September 3, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Reminds me of the good old days on ChenZhen’s blog when I would wander over and find Tex declaring a fatwa on me on a particular thread when I hadn’t even contributed to that thread yet.

    I’ve always believed in taking a proactive stance. :smile: And you better mind your P’s & Q’s buster. That fatwa is still in effect and you’ve now minimized your distance in half from roaming bands of crazed Christians.

    My fundamentalist suicide bombers and I are still looking for you.

    Did you ever go to the doctor Brother Rutherford and get your large intestine scanned like we all told you to do? Heck no!

    Where would we vent our earthly rage if you suddenly dropped off the map? Where would read this in-depth coverage of, of, of….Sarah Palin and Darth Cheney? Where would we discuss marital relations, conspiracies, Obama’s gross inadequacies, Netflix technology, stealth war secrets, Obama’s gross inadequacies, bow hunting, skeet shooting, Obama’s gross inadequacies, the existence of higher powers, Darwin, Obama’s gross inadequacies including his spousal choices, Fat Grannies horror stories, and macroeconomics?

    Frankly, I have been incredibly disappointed in your performance as of late. This letting comments slip to near 500 has been both a detriment to performance, and undue pressure (while I sit on my lazy ass waiting for the comments to load with the remote in hand).

    If I can’t mooch off of you, who could I mooch off of? Helen Philpot? Ghastly. You wouldn’t dare leave me in such poor company. So get with it and start minding the store like you used to before Rabbit and I begin stealing bandwidth from you.

  • 123. Tex Taylor  |  September 3, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Bill Whittle is so, so good. Like him, this is what I have found too when I debate progressives and their ideas. Fat Grannies is only but one site where I have found truth relative.

  • 124. dead rabbit  |  September 3, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    Somebody tell the pushy blacks at Chucky Cheese to look out.

    My clan of Baltic-Polock goons, all weighing in over 230 and standing over 6’2 (and that’s just the women*…) will be stepin’ to the club celebrating my son’s 2 year birthday today.

    Any extended family get together involve a few jackets from a well known motor cycle club too…….luckily, I work in a community that never ventures into my ol’ hood. Hell….I don’t even do it much.

    Chucky Cheese is miserable, but my nephews and cousin’s boys (Rabbits rarely spawn females) love the place.

    *That was a joke. My wife is down to the weight I married her. She’s hot.

    Rutherford, Tex……I feel like emailing you guys pics of my fam this evening….R you can forward it to Tex.

  • 125. poolman  |  September 3, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    It is axiomatic by now: when someone leaves government service, especially a high-profile position, they write a book. They all do it, sometimes more than once. Richard Nixon is the main example of one who produced a multi-volume apologia; by the time he went into the ground, he’d penned enough books to fill a wide shelf. Henry Kissinger was similarly prolific, which leads one to wonder about the relationship between criminal activities and the printed page.

    As you all rush out to buy Cheney’s book, give that some thought.

    …one incident stands out in my mind above all else. It was only an accent in the symphony of wrongdoing Cheney directed from his office, and was barely noticed at the time, but I will never forget it.

    It was a simple thing, really: the National Archives, by dint of two different federal laws, annually collects the official papers of the Executive Branch for the edification of future historians, researchers and government officials. It is a by-rote requirement, one small cog in the wheelworks of government, but not this time.

    Dick Cheney said no. No, you cannot have any papers from the office of the Vice President, and for one reason: the office of the Vice President, because I say so, is not part of the Executive Branch.

    It deserves to be written twice: Dick Cheney actually claimed, with his bare face hanging out to all the world, that the office of the Vice President is not part of the Executive Branch. The unmitigated gall required to utter such a claim, especially after so much talk about the “Unitary Executive,” is unparalleled in modern American history.

    There, right there, is everything you need to know about the man. Dick Cheney is the ultimate American terrorist, one who not only lacks respect for American law and government, but who spent his eight years in office actively working to destroy and dismember the functions of that government. He tore the place up, deliberately and with intent, because he hated the law and the government it supported, and we will be a long time recovering from his deeds. He is directly and personally responsible for thousands of deaths and injuries. If this is not terrorism in the raw, then the word has no meaning.

    I don’t think there is one man who has done as much damage to our rule of law and our good standing in the world today. And, like many of these leaders, he claims to be a Christian.

    America: Redefining Christianity so we can be its nation.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29001.htm

    Remember this?

    F**K you, America! We’re staying the course.

  • 126. poolman  |  September 3, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    Bill Whittle is full of crap. What a tool. Anyone claiming Cuba or East Germany socialist, instead of the totalitarian communist states they are/were is full of it. Truth. Pffffitttt!! This capitalism beats socialism meme does not play out in real life. Extremes rarely do.

    Talk about styro columns! There’s not much solid in your pajama party pillars of poppycock.

    For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

  • 127. Tex Taylor  |  September 3, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    Oh Poolman. Let me level with you since few even pay attention to your idiocy anymore. I wish somebody else would tell you this. If you can understand me: “You’re not lucid, whether by strong drink or strong delusion.”

    Would you knock off the martyr complex? ***PUKE*** You’re nothing of the sort. You’re a coward and loon whose entire existence is dependent upon the backs and goodwill of others, and playing yourself as some weeping prophet is nauseating.

    You’re much more Fred Phelps than some Old Testament prophet and no more of God than Fred is.

    Woe to those who call evil good
    and good evil,
    who put darkness for light
    and light for darkness,
    who put bitter for sweet
    and sweet for bitter.

    Now go sign another Planned Parenthood Pledge, and figure out who really killed Bobby Kennedy. Bill Whittle is least one million times smarter than your entire family lineage summed and squared.

  • 128. poolman  |  September 3, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    Let me level with you

    Let’s start with this. You have no idea what level is. None. You think it’s a beating utensil for rebuttal in your mental masturbations.

    It isn’t.

    Level permeates my entire being. My whole world is based on level. It is balance. Leveling redistributes substance to fill voids and create balance. Equality. Evenness. Fairness. Justice.
    Good teachers impart it.
    Good laws demand it.
    Good masters live it.

    Water never lies, though some of its vessels do.

  • 129. Tex Taylor  |  September 3, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Fred Poolman aka Prime Time,

    Let me once again level with you about balance. Your martyrdom complex has come full circle with your latest jaunt about vessels and water. No blood?

    You’re not only not level and not balanced, you slide entirely off stage years ago. If you weren’t so hideous in your charges and accusations something akin to a virus, I would ignore you like the disease you are. Most do. My weakness.

    I’m glad you kept the notes from last Saturday night’s sermon about you and living water. Like Pusser, you should pay someone royalties.

    Perhaps Monday, you’ll come in refreshed as our rock and our fortress.

  • 130. El Tigre  |  September 3, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    “Tigre, would you ever consider going bow hunting?”

    Sure. You know, I never had any desire to go hunting at all until invited to go quail hunting as a guest of my client. I thought I’d hate it, and wound up having more fun than I had had in years.

    Now, you asked about a $15k weekend. What I did was pretty posh stuff. This was Out of Africa-style hunting. I’m talking white linen table clothed lunch in the field, horseback with a Cuban cigar in my mouth, when I dismounted I was handed my gun by a hunt master (I think that’s what they’re called) — hell I had never ridden a horse before either, gourmet meals at the lodge. My client brought along a gun that he had spent $150k for. Get that? $150k shotgun.

    This place is booked years in advance, mostly by high-powered execs flying in on private jets. In fact, the day we left, a private jet plane filled with WalMart execs was landing and had it booked for the whole week.

    So there’s no mistake, I would never spend that kind of dough to go shoot quail, even if I had it. My law partner, our wives and I were guests. The expense comes from all of the staff and accommodations. My friends that are hunters were green with envy. I bragged about it for weeks too. well shit. I’m bragging about it now, aren’t I?

    I enjoyed the shooting, but you certainly don’t have to spend that kind of money to do it. “Intense skeet” is about right. You’d dig it.

    But hell, I’d give anything a try, including bow hunting. But the description of deer and turkey hunting etc. sounds kind of boring since you have to wait quietly for them. Quail don’t move until flushed — so you can cut up and enjoy the in-between time with your buds without scaring the birds off. And watching those dogs work? Wow. Really cool.

  • 131. El Tigre  |  September 3, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    “One thing that made me chuckle was Tigre busting Graychin’s chops even though the man hasn’t been here in weeks (maybe months).”

    Yeah, but who else do have since he left? Although sometimes you can be a dickhead, I like you personally.

    Poolman needs counseling and I don’t want to be the guy that made him go on a shooting rampage or something. :lol:

    And PF, albeit annoyingly arrogant and full of shit most of the time, hasn’t crossed the line like G-Chin.

    G-chin just embodies everything I hate most about liberals and his comments about my family still piss me off.

    He’s all I got for the time being around here. But PF certainly has the ability to become a suitable replacement . . . he’s just not as smart. :lol: :lol:

  • 132. Tex Taylor  |  September 3, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    He’s all I got for the time being around here. But PF certainly has the ability to become a suitable replacement . . . he’s just not as smart.

    He damn sure thinks he is. :smile: I’ve never met a quack who strummed his own chord like Pusser.

    One thing you got to give Gray over Pusser. Pusser could never top the level of hypocrisy old Gray showed when he did everything but call us tree lynching racists, when Gray had ZERO, and I repeat ZERO, black Americans in his zipcode.

    Now that takes some real chops to administer that level of flagrant hypocrisy.

  • 133. poolman  |  September 3, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    You’re not only not level and not balanced, you slide entirely off stage years ago.

    Correct, as you juggle your negatives. I am not on stage by choice.
    I’ve been front of house, now I’m backstage on headset.

    But you haven’t read the script in a long time. Your ad-libs fail to carry the theme. Your reviews will likely be in the crapper.

    Poolman needs counseling

    Constantly. Agreed. Nothing on my own accord. Amen to that.

  • 134. Tex Taylor  |  September 3, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Poolman needs counseling and I don’t want to be the guy that made him go on a shooting rampage or something.

    :lol: Probably not. If so, I’d have to be near the top of the targets. That’s why I’m thinking seriously about concealed carry for the first time in my life. Too many loons. You ought to see the pistols my nephew brings over preview, though I’ve never shot – laser sighted $3-4K weaponry. He had one case of seven pistols – total price, $21,500.00. I told him I thought I’d stick with the 20 gauge.

    Liberal Protestant churches are unfortunately full of Poolman types. Kind of a man made type of scriptural flow, even occasionally play hymns but their true nature is sheerly political – more Jeremiah Wright than Jesus.

  • 135. Tex Taylor  |  September 3, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    One thing I’ve been meaning to tell you hunters.

    Once on one of those white-collared dove hunts, I had a chance to shoot skeet for the one and only time in my life. If I remember, it was included unlimited in the price of admission. You load, you shoot. Had no idea what I was doing.

    And for the life of me, I could not hit one damn “platter” in about 20 shots. I kept wondering, how is that I can generally hit one dove every 2-3 shots, but I can’t hit a damn disk 3-5 times as large? I was about to pull my hair out, and never could figure out what I was doing wrong. The only thing I might have been doing, and I’ve often contemplated it, was that generally the birds were flying across your line of sight. Shooting skeet, they appeared to be moving away. Could be wrong.

    It didn’t help that the “kid” I was partnered with had actually made alternate for the U.S. Olympic skeet team. It rained birds around him during the entire hunt. It seemed he had his limit before I even had a chance to reload. Humbling, to say the least. :sad:

  • 136. dead rabbit  |  September 3, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    I think with skeet its more of a rhythm thing then anything else. I could be wrong.

    Chucky Cheese is hell on earth.

  • 137. Tex Taylor  |  September 3, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    I have sat here most of the day with computer in lap and remote in hand watching one college football game after another. I feel like shit. I’m not doing this again.

    Chucky Cheese is indeed hell on earth. What do you figure the fecal particle count is in the balls pen? I remember those days, and always felt like I needed a shrub upon exit.

    Whatever it was Rabbit with respect to skeet, I obviously did not have the “rhythm”, because I didn’t break a dish that I remember. Went through an entire box of shells doing it too. :mad:

  • 138. Rutherford  |  September 3, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    I’ve only been to Chucky Cheese once and found it quite chaotic.

    Wasn’t Sarah supposed to announce yay or nay today? Oh she’s such a tease! :-)

  • 139. Tex Taylor  |  September 3, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Gawd. I hope I am not forced to admit Rutherford may have been right in his initial assessment of Sarah Palin. Not the nutty overkill of her being a murderer, a demon, a failure as mother, etc…

    But if Palin chooses to run, which will not only be the end of her political career but the end of her charisma with some people, I’ll be forced for the first time to have to admit to Rutherford he was right and I was wrong.

    She really was that much of dummy and never properly vetted.

    I may never be able to live it down.

  • 140. Tex Taylor  |  September 3, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Fat Grannies is now to the point of awarding me symbolic liberal insignia for my award winning commentary. I’ve become a weekend warrior over there.

    See what I was awarded today? :grin:

    …………………./´¯/)
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    …………./´¯/’…’/´¯¯`·¸
    ………./’/…/…./……./¨¯\
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  • 141. Rutherford  |  September 4, 2011 at 12:50 am

    LOL, Fat Grannies is the damnedest thing. I went over there yesterday or the day before to read Tex’s latest exploits and honestly, I skipped as many comments as I could. The self righteous tone, the anger seething just under the surface (and sometimes not so under), and the dumbfounding worship of a non-existent blogger. It boggles the mind. I only ever go there when Tex brags of his latest attack. Otherwise the place really turns my stomach.

    I never dreamed I’d say this but the place is worse than BiW’s favorite hangout, the Hostages. At least there, the anger is completely out in the open and you do get a sense that folks respect each other without the condescension and hand wringing, etc. Now I don’t hang at Hostages either because quite frankly they don’t like me and I’m not fond of them but the few times I’ve been there, other than when attacked, I’ve left chuckling. I never leave M&H chuckling. :neutral:

  • 142. Rutherford  |  September 4, 2011 at 12:55 am

    Tex, I will say this for Sarah … either she is totally clueless or she is running one of the most imaginative “campaigns” yet seen in American politics. Her MO really seems to be, “who needs your stinkin’ rules?” She can’t be controlled by handlers. She does whatever the f*ck she wants.

    As a result, I simply can’t put ANY money on whether or not she will run. Normally I think I have decent instincts on this stuff. I always knew the Donald would bail. He’s a punk. But Sarah … I have no idea whatsoever. I just wish she’d sh*t or get off the pot. Can you imagine the debate stage with Perry, Bachmann AND Palin? Holy cow … now that’s a rodeo!!

    Yeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! :-D

  • 143. dead rabbit  |  September 4, 2011 at 1:20 am

    “What do you figure the fecal particle count is in the balls pen?”-Tex

    LOL!!!!!

    True laugh out loud moment…..

  • 144. dead rabbit  |  September 4, 2011 at 1:26 am

    You guys probably won’t believe this and I say this despite knowing you guys aren’t boxing fans, but the HBO 24-7 show on the Maywheather-Ortiz training camp is truly excellent reality TV.

    It’s truly fascinating to see the two opposite camps train, both, in one way or the other, equally dysfunctional.

    And while most boxing hype stuff is akin to pro-wrestling, I sense a truth in these shows.

  • 145. poolman  |  September 4, 2011 at 1:37 am

    Oh come on, Rutherford. Sarah is a very important diversion in the world of politic. She’s Murdoch’s girl. Think of her more like a prop. She won’t follow the script, she doesn’t have to. She just has to show up on cue. Her “handlers” use her talent to take focus off the real game changers. It has worked splendidly thus far, benefiting both. Besides, we (John Q public) like a tease, whether we admit to it or not.

  • 146. poolman  |  September 4, 2011 at 1:46 am

    Tex, I see you earned the fecal finger of hate award. Keep it up. I think after the 10th it’s bronzed. Something to strive for, anyway…

    So let’s see. We got Turkey kicking Israel out. Wednesday is the deadline. Wagers as to whether something goes awry in Turkish territory?

  • 147. Rutherford  |  September 4, 2011 at 1:49 am

    Besides, we (John Q public) like a tease, whether we admit to it or not.

    This is true. There is a bit of Rich Lowry in all of us. ;-)

  • 148. poolman  |  September 4, 2011 at 2:05 am

    The video on this page is worth watching. Especially if you’re into history and alternative energy. My history classes never covered this. Tesla was a genius and capitalists kept his inventions from helping all of us in the ways they could have. They still could.

    The gist of J.P. Morgan’s words to Tesla, after dropping financial support for the generating tower Tesla just constructed, “Electricity broadcast wireless to the entire world? Where will I put the meter?” :evil:

    http://www.teslasociety.com/

  • 149. pfesser53  |  September 4, 2011 at 8:13 am

    poolman -

    Sometimes we forget that great men can make mistakes, too. Franklin thought current went from positive to negative. Edison savaged and tried to destroy the young George Westinghouse in order to discredit AC power – even inventing the electric chair to show how dangerous “Westinghouse current” was – but he eventually was shown to be dead wrong. I am a Tesla fan myself, but I think he was barking up the wrong tree with his Magnifying Transmitter. No matter what you do, the energy from a radiating source drops with the square of the radius, just like light intensity from a single source like a bulb or an x-ray tube. The “inverse square” law is a LAW, not just a good idea and it means that energy available at ten miles is (1/5280)^2 or 0.000000036 of that at ten feet from the antenna. No matter what J.P. Morgan or anybody else said, if the basic idea is wrong it won’t work.

  • 150. pfesser53  |  September 4, 2011 at 8:24 am

    Rutherford -

    I feel bad that you feel so unwelcome at Fat Grannies – and that it seems to be important to you and others. At the end of the day it’s just another blog – one of tens of thousands.

    As for other folks’ problems there, people get tired of being called names or “stupid” or “hags,” you know. An inability to discuss issues without the personal stuff makes you unwelcome Everywhere. Sometimes everybody loses his temper – me, for example – but that is different from being an Internet bully. This country has become very impolite and a lot of folks don’t like it. Why would that be a surprise?

    I don’t much remember your experience there or what the problem was; I do remember somebody outed you though, if memory serves.

  • 151. an800lbgorilla  |  September 4, 2011 at 8:55 am

    My, so much hunting talk and I’ve been missing it!

    Quail hunting is awesome. Lots of fun. I enjoy waterfowl hunting as well, though, the better the duck hunt, the worse the weather needs to be. Dove hunting, to me, is the best introductory bird hunting. Its the closest to skeet shooting, where I think trap shooting is similar to quail hunting.

    Believe it or not, I’ve never had a chance to go Pheasant hunting, which is something I’d like to do. This fall, I’ll get into Turkey hunting for the first time as well.

    I’m mostly a big game hunter. Deer, elk, etc. Early bow season has opened here in Virginia so I’m gonna try and take advantage of that, though I do look forward to muzzleloader season. General firearms season is fun, but pretty crowded, which won’t stop me from going out there anyway.

    Remember this about bow hunting: this is not a sport where you grab the bow in September or October and head to the field. Its the fly-fishing of hunting, you have to constantly practice to maintain basic skills. If it is legal where you are at, get a crossbow. All the advantages of bow hunting (far fewer hunters, earlier seasons, longer seasons) combined with the advantages of gun shooting (easier to do).

    I’m by no means a professional outdoorsman, but I’ve been doing this all of my life, so I’m more than happy to answer any questions anyone’s got.

  • 152. Tex Taylor  |  September 4, 2011 at 10:45 am

    but that is different from being an Internet bully. This country has become very impolite and a lot of folks don’t like it. Why would that be a surprise?

    Is this from the man that calls everyone he disagrees with troll or Rebiblican, or drops in with patronizing remarks about wooly rhinos to stir trouble for those ‘Fundie Creationists’, though it fits absolutely no one here, or refers to “trolls” with such ‘intellectual’ zingers as Kotex?

    The duplicity is staggering.

    Fat Grannies is nothing more than a lame suite of incredibly dishonest and weak minded people, most who couldn’t manage their way out of a wet paper bag. There are a few exceptions there, and how they can hang continually is beyond me. I have never understood why a couple of gentlemanly, older men hang there for instance. They actually are very nice men.

    The vast number of regulars who post at Fat Grannies aren’t there aren’t to seek solutions, or alternative ideas, or partake in discussions of any worth about anything. They are there to reinforce their failed establishment with other incredibly dumb people with the same tired and disproved rhetoric and propaganda, also dependent upon the work and minds of others. It’s nothing more than a pack of lies.

    A virtual cornucopia of mental masturbation, and if they didn’t vote, I wouldn’t waste my time making mockery of their stupidity.

    I would have liked to have had a discussion with you Pfesser about such things as alternative ideas for domestic energy policy, as you are qualified to carry on an intelligent conversation. It could be an interesting exchange. But several weeks back, you came here and immersed yourself in a dialogue you weren’t even involved wishing to make it personal. If making it personal bothers you, perhaps you ought to have a discussion in your own head first.

    You are the last person on earth to suggest to any room a discussion of protocol or decorum on a blog. The day we meet up, you won’t find me hiding behind my wife’s skirt sport like you so desperately want to believe. I’ve never been slapped in my life, and I really doubt you’re going to be the first person to attempt it.

    So spare us the sanctimony. You want to brawl, brawl. You want to discuss, discuss. But try holding yourself to the high standards before telling the rest of us, me specifically, on how to act or what to do. Nothing, absolutely nothing, qualifies you and frankly, your life story doesn’t read like a pillar of the community.

  • 153. pfesser53  |  September 4, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Rutherford -

    Did you see Sarah Palin’s “speech?” I had to turn it off; it was so screechy that my dogs ran galley-west from the room, howling and banging furniture on the way out.

    Can anybody really look at themselves in the mirror and say, “I want this person to be the President?”

  • 154. El Tigre  |  September 4, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Tex, sanctimony is the term. There is a commonality at M&H that is not only tolerated, it seems to be the purpose: lecture and pontificate to an accepting audience. If there’s disagreement, notice the quantity of discussion devoted to tone and demeanor rather than content.

    To an uninvolved observer, it’s pretty gross. It’s like the coffee-house-poet-like forum for the intellectually insecure. Spew shit with authority, I tell you how smart you are, you reciprocate (and we defend each other’s fragile egos in the event of disagreement).

    “Great poem about your girlfriend dumping you.”

    “Yeah I did some bong hits before I wrote it and was feeling kind of introspective.”

    “That was heavy. . . you are so under-appreciated. You know how to touch people’s soul. You’re awesome. . .

    Okay my turn.”

    This appeals to PF and Poolman. :roll:

    Please give them another chance R. They thought you were a nasty conservative. They’ll welcome you know that they now you you are one of them. You and PF and Poolman can hang out and be friends. :roll:

  • 155. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 4, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Sara’s economic plan was about as vague as Obama’s is expected to be.

    Too bad only 1 of those people is a private citizen.

  • 156. dead rabbit  |  September 4, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    She left me to whither
    Like vineyards of the North
    Only the sun betrays the nostalgia
    Of yesterday’s romance
    A howling wind protests
    Baby,why did you leave me.

  • 157. poolman  |  September 4, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Actually, Tigre, Tex never tried to be civil at M&H’s blog, though Rutherford did. Tex showed up spitting, cursing, and tracking mud. I realize he has no people skills, but to belittle others for their reactions to his raunchy behavior is at minimum disingenuous.

    My question to you guys is this: If it is so unappealing, why all the interest and discussion about it? Why keep going back? For some I think it’s like a dog returning to its vomit.

    There is plenty of sanctimonious commentary here. That was my first impression of the place. It seemed Rutherford was greatly outnumbered. Your first two paragraphs could well describe this place. Maybe it takes distancing oneself from it to see more clearly. Maybe. That, and an open mind.

  • 158. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 4, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    “It’s like the coffee-house-poet-like forum for the intellectually insecure. Spew shit with authority, I tell you how smart you are, you reciprocate (and we defend each other’s fragile egos in the event of disagreement). ”

    I am reading some of that shit right now. These are actual quotes from the last 20 comments in their latest offering…

    “This is not a comment but rather a declaration of my love and respect for you.”

    “I also hope that someone is collecting all of your writings for posterity.”

    “Thank you yet again for your insightful, witty observations. I wish you would write daily so your profile becomes higher with voters, especially those who voted in TP candidates and who should have buyers’ remorse by now.”

    “Helen, you are the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow; I hope you post more often as this political campaign struggles forward.”

    “Thank you, thank you Margaret. I so look forward to your posts. Please keep them coming – you are a lone voice of sanity crying in the wilderness these days. We need you – really. I mean it.”

    “Grandma Helen, YOU ROCK! As usual, you are the voice of reason. I’m laughing my ass off as I read your latest post. We all love your Blog.”

    These people remind me of North Koreans worshiping their Dear Leader. (The fun starts at 10:00 mark)

  • 159. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 4, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    “My question to you guys is this: If it is so unappealing, why all the interest and discussion about it? Why keep going back? For some I think it’s like a dog returning to its vomit.”

    Today was literally my 2nd venture to that blog, with both times coming from my need to see for myself if it really was as bad as these guys say it is.

    They aren’t wrong from where I stand.

  • 160. poolman  |  September 4, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Still waiting to see anybody comment on Israel being kicked out of Turkey. Turkey has been a very close ally. They got a little peeved at Israel abusing their relationship apparently using it to stage forces in readiness to attack Iran.

    The world is watching much more closely now, even if Americans remain duped. Expect another false flag before more are awakened.

    The latest leaked information shows their double standard regarding combating organized crime.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/04/wikileaks-war-on-terror-no-problem-for-israeli-crime-bosses/

  • 161. dead rabbit  |  September 4, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    Rutherford, Rutherford, Rutherford. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You give light to an otherwise world full of ignorance. I love you.

  • 162. Tex Taylor  |  September 4, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    OH Gawd…

    There is plenty of sanctimonious commentary here. That was my first impression of the place. It seemed Rutherford was greatly outnumbered. Your first two paragraphs could well describe this place. Maybe it takes distancing oneself from it to see more clearly. Maybe. That, and an open mind.

    Rutherford is outnumbered. But he’s real and he’s liked. You’re the phoniest son of a bitch I’ve ever come across; part poseur, part bigot, part TV evangelist with a toupee.

    Frankly, your egregious attempt at piety is gut wrenchingly putrid – it’s as fake as a drama queen in a sorority house. Save your scripture quoting for someone who might be dumb enough to believe the delivery.

  • 163. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 4, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    “Still waiting to see anybody comment on Israel being kicked out of Turkey.”

    I’m still trying to decide how much of it is just posturing. They still have 2nd level diplomats in place.

    I think this is just about Turkey trying to make itself important and Erdogan trying to make himself important.

  • 164. Tex Taylor  |  September 4, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    These people remind me of North Koreans worshiping their Dear Leader.

    Exactly. And maybe equally as descriptive some of those horrid abominations of Our Dear Leader at a 2008 football stadium during a campaign stump.

  • 165. Rutherford  |  September 4, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    Dove hunting, to me, is the best introductory bird hunting.

    Am I the only one upon whom the irony of this just screams out?

  • 166. Rutherford  |  September 4, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Did you see Sarah Palin’s “speech?”

    I didn’t see the speech but I did see a sound bite that made me laugh out loud this morning. The same sound bite appeared on two different Sunday morning shows and each time I watched it, I thought the guys in the cutting room made some sort of mistake. She said, and I paraphrase, “It isn’t enough to beat Obama, it matters who we beat Obama with.” That was the whole damn sound bite. Well no sh*t Sherlock. Yet this sound bite was played as some profound statement signaling a possible Palin run.

    I’m still scratching my head and no I don’t have dandruff (although I do confess to using Selsun Blue :-) )

  • 167. Tex Taylor  |  September 4, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Hey Failure,

    Tex showed up spitting, cursing, and tracking mud. I realize he has no people skills, but to belittle others for their reactions to his raunchy behavior is at minimum disingenuous.

    Actually, you’re memory sucks Prime Time.

    Tex asked “probing” questions at their Ask M&H “Dear Abby” forum about who cuts Obama’s hair and why liberal women were ugly. So idiots like Mr. Poolman, feeling he was one of the capable group leader tried to make it personal with the rest of the drones. Whoops. I reciprocated for my amusement by taking about ten of you on at once one night. Like shooting fish in a barrel. And they were left with probing questions like “You’re not going to convert anybody here with that attitude…”, as if I were there to convert anyone. :mrgreen:

    And if you’ll read their about box Prime Time, one Ms. Helen Philpot stated they expect the give and take about pulling no punches as long as we didn’t use S,F, N, or dreaded “C” word. Until I called them serial abortionists and ripped them a new asshole about outing Rutherford, I apparently was still welcome there with a fair amount of grumbling and heartburn. I’ll buy Ms. Philpot a bottle of Maalox.

    Poolman, do you have any idea of just how truly ignorant you are?

    You’re straight out of Deliverance. ♫ Dung…dung, dung, ding, ding…dung dung. ♫

  • 168. Tex Taylor  |  September 4, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    Am I the only one upon whom the irony of this just screams out?

    :lol:

    I was horrified the first time I was invited on a “dove” hunt, I actually thought we were going to by blowing the hell of soft, little white doves:

    http://members.cox.net/arniesdca/birds3/rock%20dove%20r.jpg

    I was actually relieved to find out how little I knew about birds. Twisted the old heads right off. :smile:

  • 169. Rutherford  |  September 4, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    They thought you were a nasty conservative.

    Tigre that is precisely what got my goat. I made it clear I’m a liberal. Anyone with a fifth grade reading level can read a random sample of my blog articles and know my political leanings. Yet these, shall we say, extremists, got their panties in a knot because I didn’t support abortion on demand nor a lot of the excuse making that goes along with it.

    And yes PF they (I think Donna specifically although I can no longer swear to it) did “out” me and conjecture over at their chatty kitchen site whether I was lying about being black. That’s part of my problem. The gang here don’t gossip. They insult you to your face … there’s not a whole lot of talk about people in the third person. You’ll seldom see “I wonder if Rutherford is a secret woman hater”. Instead you’ll see “Hey Rutherford, why do you hate conservative women so much?”

    I think it’s the gossip feel of M&H combined with all the other stuff I already mentioned earlier in this thread that bothers me. But two things PF. First, don’t be sorry about it …. my absence there is truly their loss because I’ve spent the past four years honing a pretty articulate voice on liberal issues. They need me far more than I need them. Second, I actually don’t lose any sleep over this. I only discuss the topic when Tex brags about his exploits over there.

  • 170. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 4, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    You’re so awesome, Rutherford. I want to have your baby.

  • 171. poolman  |  September 4, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    Am I the only one upon whom the irony of this just screams out?

    LOL. No Rutherford, you’re not. But in the real scheme of things, doves are the most willing food. You can literally grab one and watch it die in your hands, almost as if it is saying, “Eat me if you wish, I’m okay with it. That’s what I’m here for, if that’s your need.”

  • 172. Tex Taylor  |  September 4, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    Rutherford, Rutherford, Rutherford. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You give light to an otherwise world full of ignorance. I love you.
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    You are the champion…. OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Rutherford for President!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Write more. Write more. Write more.

  • 173. Rutherford  |  September 4, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    Too bad only 1 of those people is a private citizen.

    You know Huck, I’m getting pretty damn tired of this ‘private citizen” bullsh*t. Does Sarah currently have responsibility for the direction of our nation? No, I agree with you … Obama should be expected to have a good plan. But this notion of Sarah being a private ANYTHING is pure BS. Next time you say Howard Dean is full of crap, I’ll remind you he is a “private citizen”. Please. She is at the very least a celebrity and at most a “political figure”, meaning she has held office, run for office and will very possibly run for office again.

    So for goodness sake, stop with the “private citizen” crap.

  • 174. Tex Taylor  |  September 4, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    I only discuss the topic when Tex brags about his exploits over there.

    Oh please…that’s twice you’ve made that reference.

    Going to Hideous Grannies is nothing to brag about. It’s more like putting a bad over your head with two eye slits and lighting dog shit in a bag on Fat Granny’s porch.

  • 175. Rutherford  |  September 4, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Rutherford, Rutherford, Rutherford. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You give light to an otherwise world full of ignorance. I love you.

    ROTFLMAO!! I’m surprised my spam filter didn’t catch that M&H style blather.

    Rabbit, your poetry really moved me maaaaaan. :-)

  • 176. poolman  |  September 4, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    I see everyone is sincere as ever.

    Tex, I love your level head! Can you tell me again how dumb I am.

    Nothing like a little faux worship, anyway.
    Better faux than forced, like that North Korean garbage.
    Now let’s review the Netanyahu speech to congress.

  • 177. Tex Taylor  |  September 4, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    Tex, I love your level head! Can you tell me again how dumb I am.

    Be glad to Prime Time. After I wipe off the spit from the front of my shirt that Pfesser addressed to you about “inverse square law.”

    I need to let Pfesser know that only mathematical square law you might be able to grasp is Sponge Bob.

  • 178. El Tigre  |  September 4, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Rutherford, I want you to know that I would shank everyone here just to be acknowledged by you. Especially Rabbit. He’ll never love you like I do.

  • 179. El Tigre  |  September 4, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Poolman, I’ve popped in over there just a few times, always to see what Haywood’s doing. It takes days to de-tox. This place is nothing like Fat Grannies. No one here exists to stroke your ego and let you get away with your lame attempts to come across as the wise sage on topics you don’t know shit about. That place is fucking creeeeeeeeeeeepppppyyy. Those voices you hear should be telling you that the fact you and PF are King Rats over is a wake up call.

    Namaste, Shalom, Peace Out Poseurs.

  • 180. Rutherford  |  September 4, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    LOL back to the shanking meme again. :-)

    P.S. Now that Obama has been forced to go at 7pm EDT in order to preserve America’s priorities (football), I’m sure Huck and BiW are very pissed off that they will be at work/school during the speech. :-)

    Seriously the White House is rumored to be very annoyed that Obama is being bumped out of prime time.

  • 181. Pfesser  |  September 4, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    poolman -

    I just hoot every time I see a post like, “Yep, I wen’ over ‘dere and I whupped ‘em good!” I guess if you say it often enough, it’s true (at least in your own mind, because everyone else is laughing at you).

    I think Lady Thatcher said it best: Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren’t.

    Same with smart, mean, good-looking – and -”whupped ‘em good” – if you have to keep going back to make sure you had an effect – you didn’t.

    Over here, being nasty is de rigueur – Rutherford allows it and it’s his sandbox. In other parts of the blog-world people try to be a little civil and only lash out when attacked. If you keep running into the marble ring and kicking the other kids’ marbles out, don’t be surprised if they shun you – or, if they can get you out from under your wife’s skirts, slap you. (My neighbor and his wife have a nice restaurant in town; he told me a good one today: “I’m a real go getter. I take my wife to work at eight and at four-thirty I go get-er.”

    Pretty funny, huh?

    Of course a real christian would follow the teachings of his Saviour and wouldn’t behave like that anyway.

  • 182. Tex Taylor  |  September 4, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Rutherford, hard to believe a “sports fan” like Obama wouldn’t know priorities. Reminds me of the exchange between two stars in one of the funniest movies of all time, The Longest Yard 1974 edition.

    Caretaker: Most of these old boys don’t have nothing. Never had nothing to start with. But you, You had it all. Then you let your teammates down, got yourself caught with your hand in the cookie jar.

    Paul Crewe: Oh I did, did I?

    Caretaker: Oh I ain’t saying you did or you didn’t. All I’m saying is that you could have robbed banks, sold dope or stole your grandmother’s pension checks and none of us would have minded. But shaving points off of interrupting a football game, man that’s un-American.

  • 183. poolman  |  September 4, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Inverse square law doesn’t really apply when the earth itself generates one source of the charge. Modern discovery has only proved Tesla correct in his theories.

    By incorporating a portion of the Earth as part of a powerful dual-elevated-terminal Tesla coil transmitter an electrical disturbance can be impressed upon the Earth and detected “at great distance, or even all over the surface of the globe.”[24]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower

  • 184. El Tigre  |  September 4, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    R, he shouldn’t played a game he couldn’t win. And maybe he should have had a plan 3 years ago. Instead, this is a campaign speech. Nobody really cares. Ask the man on the street. Don;t listen to the MSNBC crowd that’ll just up the ad hom claims of racism with the level of disinterest in egocentric failure of a president.

  • 185. El Tigre  |  September 4, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    PF, back to tone and demeanor indefense of your coffee club I see. :shock: Yawn.

  • 186. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 4, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    “Next time you say Howard Dean is full of crap, I’ll remind you he is a “private citizen”.”

    Being as I have not paid him a lick of mind since he was replaced as head of the DNC, feel free.

    “She is at the very least a celebrity…”

    Which is still a private citizen.

    “…and at most a “political figure”, meaning she has held office, run for office and will very possibly run for office again.”

    And until she does run again, she is still a private citizen.

    “P.S. Now that Obama has been forced to go at 7pm EDT in order to preserve America’s priorities (football), I’m sure Huck and BiW are very pissed off that they will be at work/school during the speech. :-)”

    I don’t watch Obama’s speeches. I read the transcripts afterwards so I can better analyze what he said.

    “Seriously the White House is rumored to be very annoyed that Obama is being bumped out of prime time.”

    He could have delivered his campaign speech any time he wanted from the Oval Office. Instead, he wants to lecture Congress in front of Congress. So since he wants to use their house, he has to play by their rules.

    Aint the Constitution and separation of powers wonderful?

  • 187. Tex Taylor  |  September 4, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    The Odd Couple – but still made for each other. Left and right fielder for Team Grannies. And when you still ‘respected’ me (cough, cough ), what was you called me? Bright and ornery? You’re so fickle and hard to please now. I think the love has gone out of our relationship. I’m crushed. :wink:

    Nobody dragged you two over here if the de rigueur doesn’t meet your satisfaction. I mean, well civility is the rule at home base, right?

    In other parts of the blog-world people try to be a little civil and only lash out when attacked.

    :roll: Now that one was Poolman worthy.

    ***BARF***….***BARF***….***BARF***

    ——-

    Look, let us be honest Pusser. It will be a first for you, as several of us have begin to question both your exceptional lifetime of achievement, and well…your manly conquests. But that’s not important.

    I have helped you. Really, I have. It doesn’t seem that way, but you need to reflect.

    You’ve now made friends with ‘Princess’ Donna. If I was able to do nothing else positive at Grandma’s, in making enemies with both of you, I’ve allowed you two to become fast friends because she now is beginning to respect you for calling me mean and uncivil.

    So try to look at the bright side before you enter the eternal dark side “doctor” technician.

  • 188. Tex Taylor  |  September 4, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Inverse square law doesn’t really apply when the earth itself generates one source of the charge.

    :smile:

    Sometimes it is great to play center field and watch the exchange of one noodle arm to another – it’s more like soccer. You were saying again Pusser about “Yep, I wen’ over ‘dere and I whupped ‘em good!”?

    You two ought to exchange positions occasionally. It’s Pusser’s turn to be on top.

    Fat Grannies Frat Boys.

  • 189. poolman  |  September 4, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    I think racism is the most common word used here at Rutherford’s. It comes up more than Sarah Palin. I don’t recall hearing it as much during the last administration. I’d like to know if you only think of “racism” when there are black people involved.

    The UN at first labeled Zionism as racism. It was only after tremendous Zionist pressure toward other nations that they eventually recanted. Did the meanings of the words change?

  • 190. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 4, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    “I think racism is the most common word used here at Rutherford’s. It comes up more than Sarah Palin. I don’t recall hearing it as much during the last administration.”

    Perhaps the biggest reason why you wouldn’t recall the word “racism” being used as much here during the last administration is that you were not here during the last administration.

  • 191. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 4, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    And if you are talking about hearing it outside of this forum during the last administration, I guess you didn’t pay much attention after Hurricane Katrina. Because I “recall” it being used quite a bit.

  • 192. poolman  |  September 4, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    I have helped you. Really, I have.

    When someone has to convince you what they’ve done is help you, you’re probably not feeling the love. But don’t take it personal. Tex, in his own twisted mind thinks he’s doing us a service. :roll:

  • 193. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 4, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    “When someone has to convince you what they’ve done is help you, you’re probably not feeling the love.”

    A more perfect summation of modern liberalism was never given.

  • 194. poolman  |  September 4, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Huck,

    I know I wasn’t commenting here during the last administration. I did mean elsewhere. Sorry that wasn’t clearer. It was bandied about during Katrina, after the piss poor response to that disaster. But once again, blacks were involved.

    I think it is used more today to illicit emotion, to split and divide, rather than confront the larger issues.

    On this board I have been called racist and my comments are sometimes described by others as such. To me that’s absurd because I know better. I just wondered if anyone else could see racism without blacks in the mix.

  • 195. poolman  |  September 4, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    A more perfect summation of modern liberalism was never given.

    If by modern you mean Anno Domini, I’ll agree.

    Once again it comes down to definition.
    You did not define wealth or success last thread.
    What is your definition of love?

  • 196. Tex Taylor  |  September 4, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Huck, it’s worse than that.

    Not only does Poolman not understand his own hypocrisy and sequoia in his one good eye, he hasn’t mastered understanding of the word sarcasm either. I forget that I’m not dealing with the typical Rutherford regular where each word be defined, each cynicism be explained, but the jetsam that floated over from the cesspool. That may be my one regret here. That Fat Grannies followed us over and I’m the one that started the exchange. Mea culpa.

    Great point on Katrina, as it one of the many criticisms that are so unfounded and unfair to be despicable.

    One thing that always annoyed me about all of the hateful charges administered against George Bush from useful idiots like Poolman. Remember Kayne West’s charges of George Bush hates black people?

    No American President has ever come remotely close to providing aid to Africa that George Bush did. I heard crickets from Bush’s critics.

  • 197. poolman  |  September 4, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    I’m going to apply for handicapped status. According to Tex (almost a doctor BTW), I have some serious physical and mental disabilities that I have been unaware of. I guess I could compile the diagnoses from the various comments he’s transcribed, and plead my case.

    Now, with the way he has treated the before mentioned handicapped fellow American citizen, I should have a decent case for libel. :wink:

  • 198. Tex Taylor  |  September 4, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Poolman, Jews are clearly not a race. Connie Chung is Jewish, so was Sammy Davis Jr. The SCOTUS may refer to Jews as race to distinguish for hate crimes laws, but in the most technical and correct sense, it would be impossible to called Judaism a race.

    Race is a genetic distinction, and refers to people with shared ancestry and shared genetic trait.

    So therefore, I don’t call you a racist. I call you a bigot.

    All racists are bigots, but by no means are all bigots racist.

    I know that distinction will escape you. If I have called you a racist, it was by mistake. I’d be curious if I ever have, but I’m too lazy to research it.

  • 199. poolman  |  September 4, 2011 at 6:42 pm

  • 200. Tex Taylor  |  September 4, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Poolman,

    Of all your deficiencies and they are legion, the one I find possibly the most annoying is your lack of personal creativity. I know we all learn by example as toddlers, but somewhere along your arrested development, you should have developed a small microcosm of original thought.

    You read something I post, and then being the inbred dunce, imbecile, inane ass and useful idiot, you literally move to a different blog and copy my point or post, changing the name. Frankly, I’m surprised you remember to change the name. Tip of the hat.

    Add this to your list of grievances when you sue for libel, will you?

  • 201. poolman  |  September 4, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Tex, I know what a bigot is. I am well aware.

    But you vacillate between referring to Jews as a race or tribe and a religion. You have not been consistent.

    You claim they are God’s chosen people. Is that the tribe (genetics) or religion?

    And while you consider that, consider that their are as many factions to Judaism as there are Christianity. Does that make a difference?

  • 202. poolman  |  September 4, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Their = there

    Tex,

    Actually I didn’t say you called me a racist. But yes, I’m certain I could find where you have. I don’t think I have missed being described by any of your many common slurs. If so, I would be quite surprised.

  • 203. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 4, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    “You did not define wealth or success last thread.”

    As I explained multiple times, the discussion was not about my definitions or interpretations. I asked you a question about yours. And you answered it.

    Please get the fuck over it…..

  • 204. Tex Taylor  |  September 4, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    I don’t think I have missed being described by any of your many common slurs.

    That is because you are a bigot and a punk, as is Pusser the Great.

    I owe Rutherford an apology and will be more careful next time. Graychin at least had the good sense to leave, and he was smarter than either of you.

    But Rutherford is wrong about my “bragging exploits” at Fat Grannies. That place is such a farce as are its regulars (with the exception of a few who actually try to discuss but quickly get drown out), you never go over there expecting a response of any quality – same quality as the vapid Palin, Bachmann, Perry posts. The author and her sycophants are utter morons like you.

    So I leave a rebuttal with truth clearly documenting their idiocy and wrongheadedness, read the geese squawk, and expect some Poolman quality insult return about my manhood. Then the cycle repeats itself. Doesn’t take any particular talent to hammer that. My contentment from that site is not the personal insults. That’s pulling the pacifier, stealing the lollipop, making fun of Pusser’s stealing punch lines commonly known jokes and using them as his own personal stories with “friends.”

    No Primetime. It’s dropping a bomb of truth on their illegitimate. lying pieces of propaganda, then watching them squirm to cover their asses. That’s what keeps me going back. That, and boredom in conjunction with morbid curiosity of your ilk.

    But to be honest Prime Time, if you and I never conversed again, it would not bother me a bit. You’re just boring as hell.

  • 205. Rutherford  |  September 4, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    “When someone has to convince you what they’ve done is help you, you’re probably not feeling the love.”

    A more perfect summation of modern liberalism was never given.

    LOL, Huck that DID give me a chuckle. :-)

  • 206. MuffyMcD  |  September 4, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    Remember that time poolman called Tex a racist?

    “Enough with the ethnic crap, effin racist!” -poolman | June 11, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    “Poolman, I don’t remember your ethnic background but I honestly didn’t interpret Tex’s “greasy” to be an ethnic slur. I took it to be synonymous with sleazy.” -Rutherford | June 12, 2011 at 12:43 am

    Turns out he was only kidding, the rascal.

    Good times.

    —–

    Rutherford was outed by lori over there at Boxy-Forty-Somethings.lori is one of the James haters. I must say it’s nice to see James has outlasted most of the rest of the congregation.

  • 207. Rutherford  |  September 4, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    But Rutherford is wrong about my “bragging exploits” at Fat Grannies.

    You’re focusing a bit too much on the word “bragging”. I didn’t mean it in a derogatory way, as in ego. I probably should have chosen a different word … I simply meant you sharing your M&H exploits with the rest of us.

  • 208. Rutherford  |  September 4, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Muffy, thanks for the correction … you’re right it was Lori. I think Donna had some choice words for me so I may have gotten them confused. :-)

  • 209. pfesser53  |  September 4, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    “Inverse square law doesn’t really apply when the earth itself generates one source of the charge. Modern discovery has only proved Tesla correct in his theories.

    By incorporating a portion of the Earth as part of a powerful dual-elevated-terminal Tesla coil transmitter an electrical disturbance can be impressed upon the Earth and detected “at great distance, or even all over the surface of the globe.”

    I can *detect* a lot of stuff, including radio waves from the mars rover. That doesn’t mean I can collect enough power to do meaningful work. Having said that, I believe Tesla caused considerable mayhem in ?Colorado Springs? which was a ways off, but I don’t think he spun any motors. Just static stuff – sparky horses and light fixtures, that sort of thing.

    You has references for this power transmission scheme?

    Another question for you: how did you get interested in all the conspiracy stuff?

  • 210. Alfie  |  September 4, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    I’m a fat grannies virgin,I’m thinking it best to stay that way.
    @Huck 163
    I think this is just about Turkey trying to make itself important and Erdogan trying to make himself important.
    Can’t find the link,partly because I can’t remember if it was international press or an FP article but there are those in Turkey who are tiring of Erdogans position as they see it a negative for the greater good of Turkey. All in all I’d agree with you that is posturing on Erdos part to skirt more serious domestic and regional issues that Turkey needs to face to be a prime time player.

  • 211. dead rabbit  |  September 4, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    I listened to Radio Australia beaming from the Pacific all the way in Michigan perfectly last night. (It wasn’t relayed either).

    My wife thinks I’m nuts. In our bed room, I have coax hooked up to rabbit ears and then a 10 foot antenna wrapped in tinfoil around the rabbit ears.

    Want to create a way not to get laid? Build eccentric antennas in the bed room.

    My house has steal siding, terrible for radio, but I was picking up all kinds of shit last night.

    Fucking bastard Cubans had their spy numbers going too.

  • 212. Alfie  |  September 4, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Rutherford, I want you to know that I would shank everyone here just to be acknowledged by you. Especially Rabbit. He’ll never love you like I do.
    I’m sorry but that’s funny!

  • 213. Tex Taylor  |  September 4, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    Want to create a way not to get laid? Build eccentric antennas in the bed room.

    :lol: Now I don’t care where you from. That was funny. :lol:

  • 214. Tex Taylor  |  September 4, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    One of my all-time favorite Graychin quotes was using the post office as a model of efficiency to justify the passing of Obamacare.

    The United States Postal Service has long lived on the financial edge, but it has never been as close to the precipice as it is today: the agency is so low on cash that it will not be able to make a $5.5 billion payment due this month and may have to shut down entirely this winter unless Congress takes emergency action to stabilize its finances.

    I read today where they will have to close the post office this winter without emergency government assistance.

    Our medical care is in the best of hands.

  • 215. Rutherford  |  September 5, 2011 at 12:31 am

    The antennas in the bedroom quote was another Rabbit classic. :lol:

  • 216. poolman  |  September 5, 2011 at 1:35 am

    Turns out he was only kidding, the rascal.

    Dang, you figured me out. Was it the friggin’ part?

    I’ll have to work at being more convincing. :grin:

  • 217. poolman  |  September 5, 2011 at 2:07 am

    Another question for you: how did you get interested in all the conspiracy stuff?

    I have an inquisitive mind and a learned distrust of humanity. As a kid, I was the one always disassembling things to figure out what made them work, usually after they quit working.

    As an adult, I was schooled in marketing and have extensive experience backstage in theater and stage production.

    I’m also solution driven that tends to extreme. You think eccentric antennas will keep you from getting laid? Sometimes women aren’t really looking for solutions to their issues. :neutral:

  • 218. dead rabbit  |  September 5, 2011 at 2:24 am

    Especially when the solutions are bat shit crazy…

    Poolman, I bet your medicine cabinet is a crime scene.

    Dried tiger tail for your low tess. Rhino horn for your impotence. Sloth musk for energy. More sloth musk as an after shave. St Johns Wort for your insanity. Every herbal and homeopathic(spelling?) remedy known to man.

    It would be fun playing that Weejee Board (spelling?) with you. I’d have you talkin’ to the spirits all night long, sucka.

  • 219. poolman  |  September 5, 2011 at 2:34 am

    Poolman, I bet your medicine cabinet is a crime scene.

    It could be rabbit. It could be. I got enough dental floss to choke a whole herd of elephants. I also find it hard to pass by on a great deal when I find one…

  • 220. pfesser53  |  September 5, 2011 at 6:41 am

    rabbit -
    “I listened to Radio Australia beaming from the Pacific all the way in Michigan perfectly last night. (It wasn’t relayed either).

    My wife thinks I’m nuts. In our bed room, I have coax hooked up to rabbit ears and then a 10 foot antenna wrapped in tinfoil around the rabbit ears.

    Want to create a way not to get laid? Build eccentric antennas in the bed room.”

    All through high school my aunt and uncle were living in Cleveland (work) and let me keep their 1948 Zenith floor-model radio. After a day in the hay field I would lie in my room at night with the windows open (no a/c in those days!) and listen to that old beauty crank out the AM stations. I could not only receive American stations (WOWO Fort Wayne, WSM Nashville, WWL New Orleans, WABC NYC, I could get short wave from Europe, Asia – even South Africa. For a farm kid it was a dream come true.

    I just retrieved it this spring from my brother’s barn and am beginning restoration. Can’t wait to hear that piece of art sing once again.

    Re: antennas. Do you have space for an outdoor antenna? A plain dipole or end-fed Zepp works wonderfully for distance work (DX). Plans for short-wave listening (SWL) antennas abound on the ‘Net and work just fine.

  • 221. pfesser53  |  September 5, 2011 at 7:01 am

    “You think eccentric antennas will keep you from getting laid? Sometimes women aren’t really looking for solutions to their issues. :neutral:”

    You want to get laid? Just remember the following: Men want to solve problems; women want to talk about problems. Burn that into your brain.

    I learned that when I was a resident, under the wing of Charlie Dye, senior surgery resident, who was reputed to have been the best-equipped Corpsman in Vietnam. Under his tutelage we slayed the pussy. The young female med students were particularly vulnerable – wannabe Doctors with smiling faces, tight butts (found out about a few of those first hand), who were SOOOOOOO pleased that senior resident physicians had interest in them. (We did!) Every year, the first-year med classes are led to the slaughter. Beautiful in a way…

    When I was in private practice later, I had a black girl later confirm the same thing: “Why do the white women go for the black guys? Simple: you guys don’t pay attention to your women. Some heavy hung dude lays a big line on them, ‘Oh honey, ain’t you so hot!’ and keeps doing it and they aren’t used to it – violá – in like Flynn! These guys are our fathers and brothers and we know what they want – pussy, plain and simple – but you white guys better wise up or they gonna take it all.”

    Words to live by. Talk about their problems, really listen to their angst, comment but don’t offer solutions, a little flattery and it’s over.

    Helps if you live near a med school, too, BTW…

  • 222. dead rabbit  |  September 5, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Pfessor,

    I have a big ham antenna that I only have to dig up and bring over my house.

    I’m a little nervous about properly grounding the outside antenna, etc.

    Every weekend I put it on the to do list.

    Its kind of a shame shortwave and AM is only a shell of what it used to be.

    I would have loved listening to shortwave in the early 80′s, at the peak of Cold War clandestine and propaganda activity.

  • 223. dead rabbit  |  September 5, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Holy shit, Europe got slammed. Germany lost 5%. Gold back to 1900. Silver at 43 bucks an ounce.

    The real unemployment rate probably around 18%.

    Manufacturing about to take another hit here in Detroit.

    If these banks are lying about the paper that have on European sovereign debt, I swear we could have another 2008 without TARP.

    Every week I want to start building a traditional portfolio, ala Tex. But this is some damn cold water to jump into!

    While playing my reckless but successful hi-jinks in the market maybe I should have been buying the coins again.

    But, again, at 43 dollars and 1900 dollars an ounce, that’s some mighty cold water. Am I priced out? Or is the financial world truly imploding?

    Legislation has ended tenure. I don’t lose sleep over that. Merit pay has been instituted, based on individual student progress. While they give me all the shit birds because I can control them, again, I don’t lose sleep (even though I should). What sucks is they also included a measure that allows being fired with perfect evaluations. Meaning, you can get canned for making too much money. My hokey Masters Degree could be the end of me. Welcome to the real world, union teachers.

    Damn, if only I was born in the baby boom generation. They had it made in the shade.

  • 224. poolman  |  September 5, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Pfesser,

    Check out scalar waves for more information on wireless power.

    AFA girls and getting laid, something I spent many, many hours of my younger days pursuing. After 34 years of marriage, I’ve discovered the less interested you become in chasing tail, the more it shows interest in you. It is a strange phenomenon. Another of life’s mysteries. :cool:

  • 225. dead rabbit  |  September 5, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    I think Bill Whittle makes a very solid case about preconceived notions of the poor and middle class.

    What I do pose to Bill Whittle is the following: Is the very obvious improvement in the quality of life of the lower and middle class based on the traditional fruit of the free market, or was this unprecedented growth based more on a debt backed ponzi scheme. A game of musical chairs.

    If so, is the ponzi scheme worth it? Maybe it is?

    Seriously, maybe creating a massive bubble and then having it blow up on a few generations is worth it if you look at over all improvement of the human condition.

    If wages have been stagnant, yet the middle class and the government has kept up by means of debt which in itself has created bubbles in housing and tuition, what happens when the chickens come home to rest?

    Is Bill Whittle’s world completely unsustainable? And how dangerous is this instability?

    Tex, thoughts?

  • 226. poolman  |  September 5, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    Rabbit, did you ever tune in William Cooper with your shortwave radio? His show was titled Hour of the Time. From wikipedia:

    Rush Limbaugh read a White House memo on the air during his broadcast which named William Cooper “…the most dangerous radio host in America.”

    Mr. Cooper considered President Bill Clinton’s pronouncement the greatest compliment that he had ever received.

    He had warned America of a major attack against us to be blamed on Osama Bin Laden during his broadcast on June 28, 2001.

  • 227. Tex Taylor  |  September 5, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    If wages have been stagnant, yet the middle class and the government has kept up by means of debt which in itself has created bubbles in housing and tuition, what happens when the chickens come home to rest?

    Is Bill Whittle’s world completely unsustainable? And how dangerous is this instability? Tex, thoughts?

    Bill Whittle’s excellent video was simply to demonstrate how really successful free enterprise has been, even if we continually want to point to all of its shortcomings about a large underclass. It exists, but is it really underclass? I don’t think so. My favorite part of Whittle is he doesn’t simply speak from opinion, but experience. He was poor. However, your point about an illusory bubble may be one worth examining – is it real worth or just perception of worth financed by debt? Things have changed. I’m not sure I could answer that truthfully at this moment in time.

    Had some thoughts this morning as I went on a longer walk than normal with the Mrs. and the pooch in more lucid moments of actually seeking truth – removed from the baiting, the bigotry, the argument, Fat Granny sycophants, the blog. Maybe I’ll share them all sometime. Bore you guys to no end.

    ———–

    Both corporations and Obama are shooting themselves in the foot. Don’t know if you have noticed recently Rabbit, but for the first time in my limited memory, productivity is actually falling in the work place. That tells me people are tapped out mentally, and perhaps physically.

    We know corporations are sitting on mounds of retained earnings and capital, refusing to hire because Obama is enemy to free enterprise, and it is true than corporations freeze during periods of uncertainty. But corporations are either ignoring their own creation of their own long-term risk, or more likely are too shortsighted to understand once the perceptions of cynicism take hold, it is virtually impossible to change the perception.

    You hear a lot these days about the inadequacies of talent from corporations. But is it really a lack of talent, or a lack of willingness on the part of talent to work under auspices of lousy and corrupt management? You don’t think our friend Rutherford couldn’t add real utility to places of business? I don’t care our political differences, I’d hire Mr. “R” in a heart beat because I recognize talent. That tells me there is some form of hiring discrimination….not color, but age or something even more insidious – burden?

    Then there is the wage scale. Again, there are two sides to the coin. It is true that when you look at cost and expense, both have dramatically increased for corporations the last 15-20 years. But the great majority of that increase is due to ancillary burden and not salary. Wages are at best flat and most cases squeezed. In other words, cost of living adjustments. Then you throw in the absorbed costs of real taxes and real inflation? No doubt the average household is feeling maxed.

    And though it pains my colleagues when I say this, I want to be honest. Executive compensation is outrageous vis-a-vis the average employee. The only place I agree with my philosophical cohorts is we don’t need government correcting the problem – that’s tyranny. We the people need to correct it.

    I’ve always said, the most dangerous situation is not a large poor class, but a huge middle class slowly losing their grip on the American dream. And it is happening as we speak.

    Being rich won’t protect you from the mob.

  • 228. Pfesser  |  September 5, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    rabbit -

    ARRL handbook is really good on all that stuff. I have an Amateur Advanced ticket but haven’t done anything except 2-meter for years – and not much of that. I did some amateur TV – that was fun – and got in on some packet stuff when it first came out. Little did we know that would evolve into TCP/IP!! I couldn’t for the life of me see the use of packet. Just goes to show…

    Ham radio balloon chasing is fun. We did a bunch of it in WV way back when. Sent cameras up with our package so we could see the ground. Typically had one camera pointing up so we could see the parachute when we cut free from the balloon at around 100K feet!! We fastened a Yagi on my homebuilt plane and chased the 2-meter beacon all over the mountains of WV; what a blast! It’s not all that much fun now; the easy availability of GPS makes finding the electronics package trivial.

    If your ham antenna is a Yagi (looks like a TV antenna) it probably won’t do a good job except at one frequency and in one direction. They are made to reject all signals except from the direction they are pointed in. A long end-fed Zepp is a wire antenna and cheap to put up. Just point the end of the wire to Europe and you are in business. ARRL handbook or Antenna Handbook have designs. Easy.

    For safety, though, you are absolutely right – grounding is essential. Wouldn’t hurt to put a sharp spike on the mast top, to act as a lightning rod. A decent ground rod (8′) should be just fine. Post drivers for the cheap steel fence posts work beautifully and cost about $30 at Tractor Supply; work fine for ground rods. Aluminum heavy single-conductor uninsulated wire should be all you need for the ground lead.

    Lots of fun. I hadn’t thought about antennas and ham radio in a long while.

  • 229. El Tigre  |  September 5, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    “And though it pains my colleagues when I say this. . . [e]xecutive compensation is outrageous vis-a-vis the average employee. . . we don’t need government correcting the problem – that’s tyranny. We the people need to correct it.”

    Tigre agrees 100%. But I might add, executive compensation is not what is destroying us economically. Psychologically? Unquestionably. The government stepping in to do the job of the shareholders (and “the people” that have suffered blow after blow due to government intervention), and mostly for political gain, adds insult to injury.

  • 230. Tex Taylor  |  September 5, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Agreed Tigre.

    One of my major complaints with 401K plans is that it allows far too much power and far too much influence to mutual fund managers and financial services in general – a rubber-stamp to virtually all management proposals with the proxy vote.

    One other thing I would like to see changed is the CEO and Chairman split. Having one individual run the company and the board presents opportunity for abuse IMO.

    One thing I should have added in my previous posts – and an important omission.

    Small business accounts for about 65% of employment in private business. With small business, I have no doubt the major obstacle to hiring and profitability is government – uncertainty, burden and regulation.

    I

  • 231. Alfie  |  September 5, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Regards an education “bubble”,it’s long but a good read with some excellent comments- Economist

  • 232. Alfie  |  September 5, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Regards parts of Tex 227,I agree with a big chunk of what I think I’m seeing in that comment.
    Businesses seem to be afraid to think outside the myriad of boxes that have been created,many by them that are now trapped in said boxes.
    Some of those boxes are regulatory in nature others are perception issues. These things have become a curse to innovation and a key player in deconstructing the US economy.

  • 233. poolman  |  September 5, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    In our truth sanitized world, it’s good to find well-known figures can still become better known, even as power and influence shift…

    Tony Blair is godfather to Rupert Murdoch’s daughter. The ceremony performed at the Jordan river, supposedly the same spot where Jesus was baptized, kept secretive until revealed in a fashion mag interview with Mrs. Murdoch.

    Weird in itself, considering godparents a Catholic rite, and baptism a Christian one. The whole close relationship between the Murdochs and the Blairs kept secretive, now being revealed is interesting and quite damning, considering what is being dug up on Murdoch, his associations, and his business practices.

    The new evidence, which will further tarnish the former prime minister’s image following his dealings with Libya, shows that he helped Saif al–Islam Gaddafi on his allegedly plagiarised PhD thesis.

    Other documents discovered in Tripoli apparently indicate that MI5 traded information with their Libyan counterparts.

    Documents also disclosed that SAS soldiers sent to train Libyan special forces helped instruct Gaddafi’s feared Khamis Brigade, which has been responsible for civilian massacres as the regime collapsed.

    Blair is given very high praise by Cheney in his new book, even though he is a “Labour Party liberal.” As if political affiliation mattered. :roll: Maybe this helps explain the praise…

    Secret government memos suggest that Tony Blair ordered the Foreign Office to allow British terrorism suspects to be transported to Guantanamo Bay.

    Now that investigations are happening and truth revealed, there could be some actual consequences. Wouldn’t that be welcome?

    Don’t expect much real news coverage here in la la land. Football season is much more newsworthy. Through our sacred sports we can trivialize life and fantasize victory. A big part of that Americanisher trap dream we fell for into. Cerebral tuning starts early.

    Hatreds; rivalries; fisticuffs; character assassinations – whenever journalists wrote about the feuding inside the Labour government, they were denounced as liars or fantasists. Once Tony Blair and Gordon Brown had lost power, and the protagonists began to publish their memoirs, the unvarnished story emerged for all to see. Yes, the commentators had indeed got it wrong – they had dramatically understated just how poisonous the fear and loathing had been.

    Of course all these guys have been busy writing their version of history over the past ten years or more. Maybe some of these will be required reading someday. :evil: I don’t feel we should accept these as nonfiction by any means.

    To me, the stories that will be more credible are from those that have risked their own lives and careers to get the word out.

    Susan Lindauer’s piece of the 9/11 puzzle adds more evidence to support the charge of criminal negligence at the command level and exposes the utter depravity of the Patriot Act.
    Even more, as the primary Intelligence Asset for Iraq, she proves that top officials of the Bush regime were fully aware that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction prior to the invasion, and had, in fact, negotiated a peace treaty in order to end UN sanctions.
    To tell this truth cost her her job, her freedom and almost her sanity.

    In “Extreme Prejudice: The Terrifying Story of the Patriot Act and the Cover ups of 9/11 and Iraq,” we learn that not only was the US government (USG) willing to kill (or allow to be killed) thousands of its own citizens on that indelible day, it has gone to extreme lengths to silence whistleblowers.

    Lindauer, a U.S. Intelligence Asset from 1993-2002, escaped a “chemical lobotomy” at the hands of government conspirators – including her own cousin, Andy Card, Chief of Staff for George W. Bush – only because the alternative media stepped in at the eleventh hour and exposed her false arrest and imprisonment. Michael Collins’ breakthrough article, American Cassandra, was reposted across the world in 2007.

    Extreme Prejudice reads like a spy novel; it’s exciting, horrifying and compelling. It offers an informed view of the geopolitical scene in the years just before and after the 9/11 attack, and the extraordinary lengths the USG went to in trying to hide or justify the illegal invasions that followed. It’s a slice of American History that patriots, as well as actors on the global stage, need to know.

  • 234. Rutherford  |  September 5, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Meaning, you can get canned for making too much money.

    I have zero doubt that many corporations look at salary as they make their layoff decisions. When I got canned I was grossing six figures.

    It’s another reason why women have fared better in this economy than men. They make less.

  • 235. Rutherford  |  September 5, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    Is the very obvious improvement in the quality of life of the lower and middle class based on the traditional fruit of the free market, or was this unprecedented growth based more on a debt backed ponzi scheme. A game of musical chairs.

    Damn good question and the answer is an absolute YES. You think it’s a coincidence that everybody’s got a 60 inch TV and everybody is up to their eyeballs in debt? It’s a credit card society … satisfy the urge now, and pay later. How many of the conveniences Whittle talks about were bought with cash? Give me a break.

    It is interesting that as far as I know, no one on this board is really versed in economics, even though everyone has an opinion. Please correct me if I’m wrong … did any of you major in Economics in college or pursue post-graduate work in it? I’ve admitted on many occasions I’m woefully ignorant about it.

    But then again, casual observation has led me to believe all economic theory is scam. Keynes/Hayek … who gives a flying f*ck. They both work on assumptions and the assumptions skew the theory.

    A mathematician, an accountant and an economist apply for the same job.

    The interviewer calls in the mathematician and asks “What do two plus two equal?” The mathematician replies “Four.” The interviewer asks “Four, exactly?” The mathematician looks at the interviewer incredulously and says “Yes, four, exactly.”

    Then the interviewer calls in the accountant and asks the same question “What do two plus two equal?” The accountant says “On average, four – give or take ten percent, but on average, four.”

    Then the interviewer calls in the economist and poses the same question “What do two plus two equal?” The economist gets up, locks the door, closes the shade, sits down next to the interviewer and says “What do you want it to equal?”

  • 236. poolman  |  September 5, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    The surviving 9/11 first responders are banned from taking part in the 10th Anniversary celebration at Ground Zero. They don’t fit the agenda anymore, I’m guessing.

    It’s politics over people here in the USofA, per usual. Of course, most of them aren’t buying the official story, along with more of America and the world as more facts are revealed. First responders are an apparent threat to such a “solemn” tribute. All truth threatens these psychopaths in power. Good. More will be revealed.

  • 237. Alfie  |  September 5, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Actually first responders have not been invited the previous years either just allowed to show up if the so choose.
    1)The area has definite size constraints today it hasn’t necessarily had in the past.
    2) Two Presidents will be in attendance security over feelings=reality.
    3) OMFG!!!! Shocker the “celebration” is about those that died.NOT THE FOLKS THAT EITHER DID THEIR JOBS OR JUST THE RIGHT THING IN GENERAL.
    4)The first responders will be acknowledged at separate “celebrations” that mark their particular contributions of that day(s) now etched into our history.
    Ya know for a troofer I don’t even know why you’re upset

  • 238. Alfie  |  September 5, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Hey new conspiracy for ya
    Susan Lindaeur and Saif al Islam Qaedaffi went to the same uni. LSE
    She later (was never an intel asset for USA) betrayed the US via an FBI agent posing as a Libyan. mmmmmm
    She was found to be a nut btw

  • 239. Alfie  |  September 5, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Also just in case anyone didn’t know or had forgotten. re Europe and Libya
    The UK MSM broke stories on the SAS and Libya back in the day.
    The UK had an inherently biased position re Libya and wacky daffy hisself….lockerbie?!?!
    SAS was in Tripoli at the beginning of the “Libyan” civil war

  • 240. poolman  |  September 5, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Rutherford,

    Very true about economics. I am not an economist and generally don’t understand them when they “explain” things. One problem is that there has never been agreement among “experts”. I think that discounts it as being science. Then again, much science is based on conjecture.

    In that way it’s similar to organized religion, where facts are MANipulated™ and truth is often convoluted and blended with bullshit to produce a representative working model. These models vary from one extreme to the other and rarely represent reality.

    And if a science, maybe akin to meteorology, specifically weather forecasting, where it’s much easier to report and explain after the fact, though even then there are conflicts regarding causal factors.

    The big difference is that economics is wholly man interfering with market, another man contrived institution. Governments get involved and artificially support and penalize factions that affect pure results.

    I guaranty it benefits plenty to complicate a simple supply and demand world. Economists are job slots, regardless of value. Jobs, after all, being the pixie dust we need to get us out of hard times.

  • 241. pfesser53  |  September 5, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    poolman – do you dabble in any of the other religions or would that make you uncomfortable?

    The reason I ask is that my stepdaughter majored in Religious Studies at UVA and claims paganism/wicca. Since my heritage is Scottish – Celtic, we occasionally burn a brushpile and she drops over with her daughter and says some of the incantations. Really cool. I am constantly clearing dead trees and brush; I acccumulated a monstrous brushpile last winter. We burned it and had a Beltane celebration here in May and invited some close friends; it was a lot of fun.

    Also, when my kids were small we had Joe G_____, a local Jewish doctor where we lived come over during the holidays and light the minora, explaining to the kids what was said as each candle was lit and what it meant. I always tried to expose them to all kinds of different folks and he is a real fine fellow.

    Anyway I wondered if you studied or participated in any other faiths or if that would be frowned upon.

  • 242. poolman  |  September 5, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    Alfie,

    You seem to agree with all government sanctioned versions of events. Interesting. The government labeled Lindauer a nut, sans trial or proof. Her psychiatric records are even posted online for anyone to look up.

    She did attempt to warn the administration of the pending 9/11 attack and testified before congress. After the event and in the years following as she kept after government, she was picked up by the FBI and charged under the Patriot Act, accused of working for Iraq and locked up in military prison.

    All charges were dropped before any trial in 2009. And she has been telling her story publicly since. Here’s a recent interview:

    http://www.jerrypippin.com/Susan%20Lindauer%20(5-23-11).mp3

  • 243. Tex Taylor  |  September 5, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Please correct me if I’m wrong … did any of you major in Economics in college or pursue post-graduate work in it?

    Most of an MBA component is finance, economics, statistics – 15 hours of economics total, 12 of finance, four stat classes, all which required a calculus component, plus debt instruments and investment, though that doesn’t make me an expert in any of them. And that is when an MBA was actually a Masters – 60 hours. Not that garbage they are selling now which every swinging dick seems to have. Pisses me off I had to spend four years of night school two hours a night, while working full time obtaining a degree that was difficult to get accepted into at the time. Now they sell as equivalent at Devry – that’s a joke.

    Plus, for ten years I did manage the department responsible for multi-million dollar mergers and acquisitions for a Fortune 50 company. Best job by far I ever had. So I have worked with the big boys of New York, who gave me a real epiphany. Those power brokers on Wall Street? Not any smarter than the guys I’m drinking blog beer with here.

    That is why I am of the staunch opinion much of college is a joke anymore. Between grade inflation and horrid K-12 education, I actually met chemistry majors that didn’t understand logarithmic scales. I asked them one night about five years ago when I was tutoring, do you guys understand why you might be having problems with pH calculations and reaction rates when you don’t understand anything beyond basic mathematics? Come on gang, this isn’t that difficult.

    What the hell are they teaching in high school mathematics anymore? These used to be all prerequisites to calculus.

  • 244. poolman  |  September 5, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    poolman – do you dabble in any of the other religions or would that make you uncomfortable?

    I try to learn as much as I can about the rites and beliefs of any and all religions. I am an expert on none. The hardest thing to find is the pure tenets of these varying beliefs. Many accounts are distorted and intentionally misleading. Some are limited by human interpretation and communication skills.

    I found this site to be quite accurate about Jesus, but the site it was linked from, one comparing Jesus and Muhammad seemed an inaccurate depiction of Islam. So I am constantly seeking truth and boiling it down to its purest state.

    There is a supernatural realm that most religions believe and interact in. How we interact and who they represent is where it gets cloudy.

  • 245. poolman  |  September 5, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    Shocker the “celebration” is about those that died. perpetuating the myth and furthering the war on terror.

    There. Now my bullshit meter isn’t so pegged. :grin:

  • 246. Tex Taylor  |  September 5, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    Poolman, sometimes you tickle me. Thank you to the Y-Jesus link. It’s actually quite good, as I read much.

    But let me demonstrate why I can never find your conclusions or your rationale worth much. As recently as last month, you were mocking Campus Crusade for Christ if you’ll remember. Fair enough, I guess. Dr. Bill Bright was founder of Campus Crusade for Christ.

    Tonight you link to nice site, replete with brief synopses of sound reason. Nothing was new, but I wish I had known of this site 20 years ago. But then I happened to get curious and see exactly who was responsible for that site:

    From the About Box: Dr. Bill Bright and Dr. Henry Brandt, PhD, were instrumental in the development of Y-Jesus and Y-Origins magazines. The magazines were then produced in cooperation with Bright Media Foundation.

  • 247. Tex Taylor  |  September 5, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    Rutherford,

    This one is specifically for you. You might hate – you might love it. What caught my eye is that at least a large part of describes my corporate experience to a ‘T’ – especially the anti-authoritarian part. :smile: And I suspect you and I weren’t so terribly different in our time residing in a corporation.

    I once got dinged for doing exactly what this guy did – making fun of a seminar called Total Quality Management that they paid more than $10K for me to attend. I don’t think HR ever did forgive me, as from that day forward, I was known either as a trouble maker, non-team player, and wise ass.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/lifestyle/2011/09/05/quit-your-terrible-job-now-7-tips-for-tomorrows-entrepreneurs/

  • 248. Tex Taylor  |  September 5, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Tigre,

    You alright? I just saw Atlanta had been hit by tornadoes. Haven’t heard of any deaths, but I did see some damage.

  • 249. Rutherford  |  September 5, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Poolman, I hate to fuel your troofer engine but I did think of you yesterday when I watched a piece on the new tower being built at 1 World Trade Center. They were talking to the architect of the original building and the following transpired:

    Someone was watching one of the towers on fire and tearfully turned to the architect and said “could it fall over?” The architect told him not to worry because he designed the building with steel (if I remember the story right) and it could withstand the hottest of temperatures without collapsing.

    As I watched it, I said to the TV in true Poolman fashion: ahhh but it can’t withstand a controlled demolition! :evil:

    Can anyone here point me to a link that actually explains why the towers fell in upon themselves? Even those of us who find truthers wacky have to admit, lots of tall buildings catch on fire … terrible fires … and don’t collapse the way the towers did.

  • 250. poolman  |  September 5, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    Tex, I found that link the other night and was in agreement with everything I read. The other site with the Muhammad info may contain accurate information, but it did not resonate with my spirit.

    Campus Crusade has some awesome people and materials. Good support, too. Whatever helps lead folks to truth, I’m good with. I have disagreed with some of their politics and allegiances, but I don’t doubt their impact or the sincerity of many.

    With any group, Christian or secular, the people make or break it. There are always tares, as you know, in any large organizations.

  • 251. poolman  |  September 5, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Tex, there are a zillion links. The national campaign focuses on WT7.

    http://rememberbuilding7.org/10/

  • 252. Tex Taylor  |  September 5, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    Even those of us who find truthers wacky have to admit, lots of tall buildings catch on fire … terrible fires … and don’t collapse the way the towers did.

    I’m beginning to worry about your fine mind since before the move. :mad:

    Can you direct me to any tall towers that have been exposed to the kinetic energy of a 767 traveling at over 400 knots, each contain 10,000 gallons of of kerosene, burning at close to 2,000 degree Fahrenheit upon impact, weakening the supporting structures of the towers, causing one floor to pancake upon the next?

    Here:

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

  • 253. Tex Taylor  |  September 5, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    Campus Crusade has some awesome people and materials. Good support, too. Whatever helps lead folks to truth, I’m good with. I have disagreed with some of their politics and allegiances, but I don’t doubt their impact or the sincerity of many.

    But that is not what you said previously…

    ——-

    576. poolman | August 28, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    http://www.reclaim7mountains.com/

    In 1975, Bill Bright, founder of Campus Crusade, and Loren Cunningham, founder of Youth With a Mission, had lunch together in Colorado. God simultaneously gave each of these change agents a message to give to the other. During that same time frame Francis Schaeffer was given a similar message. That message was that if we are to impact any nation for Jesus Christ, then we would have to affect the seven spheres, or mountains of society that are the pillars of any society. These seven mountains are business, government, media, arts and entertainment, education, the family and religion. There are many subgroups under these main categories. About a month later the Lord showed Francis Schaeffer the same thing. In essence, God was telling these three change agents where the battlefield was. It was here where culture would be won or lost. Their assignment was to raise up change agents to scale the mountains and to help a new generation of change agents understand the larger story.

    Then in complete doublespeak, the next paragraph contradicts said stated purpose with the standard PC “Christian” talking points, recognized by all that claim to share the “faith”.

    The 7 mountains initiative is not an initiative to establish dominion over all the earth or in governments. It is not an initiative that does not love and serve all people on the earth or seeks to alleviate other faith expressions. As followers of Christ, we believe we are called to love all people, regardless of faith, lifestyle or gender orientation. God loves all people. He provides guidelines for living as found in the Holy Scriptures and we support those guidelines as a people called to love and obey His calling upon our lives. Jesus invites all people into this destiny, but not all will come. We are called to model what Christ taught when He prayed that what was in heaven would be manifested on earth through a people known for their love of one another and others. That means His love and grace would be extended to all people.

    In summary, we believe that influence is a result of our love, humility and obedience to God, not a goal to be achieved. It is the fruit of our obedience. – Os Hillman

    Talk about CYA! These “change agents” should scare more than just nonbelievers. The Holy Spirit is the only one tasked to perform “change” and the battlefield is a spiritual one, not cultural.

    The people and ideas that pass for “Christian” nowadays. :roll: Plenty of “believers” never seek the source and merely operate from the “law” or the “flesh” or tradition. Unfortunately, much of their leadership does too. And then, there’s the wolves that have infiltrated the ranks. :evil:

    So which is it? You can’t have it both ways. Is Bill Bright, the author of the fine website you linked and leader of Campus Crusade a demon, a CYA believer? Or is Bill Bright pretty solid in his assessment of Jesus Christ and a pillar of the Christian Community?

    Like I have said to you a hundred times before Poolman, you’re a mass of contradictions – apparently with a make up of unsound mind and principles that waffle from one thread to the next.

  • 254. poolman  |  September 5, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Sorry, that was Rutherford for the link. :oops:

  • 255. dead rabbit  |  September 5, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    The information revolution kills me.

    A fucking air bus acting as a massive gas bomb flies into a building LIVE ON TELEVISION and we have people asking for a “link” on why the building fell.

    Why wouldn’t a hundred and something story building fall straight down? How the fuck else would it fall???

    Yeah. George Bush hired a secret demolition team to wire explosives in the buildings while Israelis piloted the planes.

  • 256. an800lbgorilla  |  September 5, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    R, go here too: http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html

  • 257. an800lbgorilla  |  September 5, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    The link I posted does a very good job of explaining the physics and engineering of the collapse.

  • 258. poolman  |  September 5, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    So which is it? You can’t have it both ways. Is Bill Bright, the author of the fine website you linked and leader of Campus Crusade a demon, a CYA believer? Or is Bill Bright pretty solid in his assessment of Jesus Christ and a pillar of the Christian Community?

    It isn’t one or the other, Tex. Sorry. We are dealing with human beings. Fallible folks. Apparently Bill Bright has been derailed or sold out. I do not know the man personally and can’t vouch for him. Plenty in those powerful positions have fallen. You want me to list examples? :neutral:

    That does not discount the accuracy of the historical data that one can find in his possession. Even if he believes it as even the demons do, true faith lives it. As I have said many times, truth can be found from many sources and it is still true, no matter the source.

  • 259. dead rabbit  |  September 5, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    “poolman – do you dabble in any of the other religions or would that make you uncomfortable?”

    Poolman, the man asked you a question.

    You answered like a campaigning politician.

    I haven’t seen dancing like that in a while.

    Do you dabble in other religions or don’t you?

    I never understood the whole New Age Celtic Pagan thing.

    Celtic people were some of the first people to convert to Christianity outside of the Roman world.

    Hell, Ireland was pretty much the center of orthodox Christianity during the dark ages (many Barbarians ascribed to a heretical form of Christianity, if any form at all).

    The Druids were gone for millennium and a half then all of a sudden reappear claiming “tradition”?

    I’m not judging. I just find it ironic the people who were so integral to spreading and defending Christianity have some how become associated with a neo-pagan movement.

  • 260. dead rabbit  |  September 5, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Pfessor,

    Do you still have your Ham equipment?

  • 261. Tex Taylor  |  September 5, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    It isn’t one or the other, Tex. Sorry. We are dealing with human beings. Fallible folks.

    This response is even more pitiful than usual, because you just got busted by your own set of links. If you’re going to tell such despicable lies, you need to work on your memory.

    I have never read anybody that throws more rocks in glass houses than you do.

  • 262. dead rabbit  |  September 5, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    Ha ha…Poolman can’t even keep track of who he slanders, wholesale.

  • 263. dead rabbit  |  September 6, 2011 at 12:05 am

    I dabbled in Buddhism for about a week and a half in college.

    I knew it wasn’t for me when every time, my meditation session would turn into a masturbation session.

    I was probably 21 or 22 years old at the time.

    Sit in the lotus position and think of nothing. Just breath Ok, I’m thinking of pusy. Get that thought out of my mind. Pusy. Damn it! Now I have to name the ’84 Tigers to stop thinking about pusy. Milt Wilcox, Jack Morris, Kirk Gibson, Pusy, Lou Whitaker, I want to bang that chick that sits next to me in Comp class, Tommy Brookens…shit! I’m supposed to be thinking of nothing and just breathing! Pusy. Arrrrrrrrrrrr!

  • 264. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 12:10 am

    The link I posted does a very good job of explaining the physics and engineering of the collapse.

    That was a great link Gorilla. I was surprised I even understood most of the article, and I discovered a few errors in Wiki I had used. I had never given thought to the uneven burning being a component. Makes sense.

    The fuel capacity of the jets was twice what I thought, which they got correct on the recent National Geographic special I had watched. I chose Wiki for source instead – big mistake.

    I’m with Rabbit. It is amazing to me that after all the proof even on live TV, we are still having to deal with conspiracy theorists. I can only guess that some people are either so gullible, or so utterly void of decency, they have to find other explanation than the obvious.

    That I will never understand, especially considering the accused sources they want to convict. That boggles my mind.

  • 265. poolman  |  September 6, 2011 at 12:18 am

    Rabbit,

    There is only one true faith. However we are all unique and relate to our creator differently. I don’t claim to know all the answers, I just ask for wisdom and knowledge for myself.

    There are many reasons Christianity is losing ground to other religions – lack of conviction and integrity in its members, denial of the supernatural, lack of sound doctrine, are primary reasons.

    I’ll try explaining without offending anyone, if possible.

    Jesus set the example. “Follow Me” is the command.

    Jesus must be Lord over your life – all of it, not merely sections.

    You don’t need any other priest or temple. Period. He’s the connection to God, the Father.

    Symbols and ritual are no longer kosher.

    Believers walk by faith, not by sight. – meaning Holy Spirit is guiding every move. It’s to be a life of complete submission.

    Short of that, you’re just a wannabe.

    But I will still talk to anyone of any faith. God loves humans and there is value in all. Some other beliefs tap into the supernatural in the way true believers are so tasked.

    2000 years of beat down sometimes takes a toll.

  • 266. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 12:22 am

    Rabbit, I know for a fact when I have reached my limit when the thought of the corner of leg and leg can not overcome the stress.

    Years ago, I had a pseudo panic attack on a plane. Until that moment, I had never been claustrophobic but I immediately broke out in a cold sweat, with my heart racing about 200 beats a minute. I went to the land of naked college girls in the theater of my mind, but it wasn’t enough to offset the cramped feeling and a small little lady was nice enough to trade me seats before I choked some of the passengers, rushed the cockpit, and forced open the cargo door.

    I realized then there are limits to my self-control. :smile:

    P.S. – if by chance my pals here ever has that happen to them and there is no medical staff available, I will tell you I have found only one way to bring yourself back homeostasis. Make yourself cold any way possible. Worked like a charm for me.

  • 267. dead rabbit  |  September 6, 2011 at 12:36 am

    Yeah man, I had panic attacks through out my wife’s pregnancy climaxing two summers ago.

    I’m sure I talked about them here.

    My adrenaline could not shut off for an entire weekend.

    I have never been in more pain or freaked out in my life.

    I made a buddy pull over and call the ambulance.

    I think it was due to my wife’s previous miscarriages or something.

    I later took one Xanax and they went a way for good. It also helped when the ambulance guys showed me I was not having a heart attack.

  • 268. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:08 am

    I was fixing to share my panic attack story and then it occurred to me that it would just be used against me in a future argument.

    So I’ll just laugh at you mental cases, instead.

  • 269. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:18 am

    making fun of a seminar called Total Quality Management

    LOL I used to complain about that crap at my place too. I think it was the 90′s when the Six Sigma push was on full blast. I’m sitting there thinking, “these idiots are applying a defect/million parts manufacturing paradigm to the master console room of a data center and they expect me not to laugh?”

    The whole six sigma TQM thing was religion to these companies. Questioning the worth of it to them was equivalent to my questioning you about Jesus Christ. That’s how seriously they took it.

    Yeah, I identify somewhat with your PJ Media guy. His seven points make sense too and I wish I could say I have all seven down pat but of course I don’t. If I did, I’d be bringing in a lot more money. :neutral:

  • 270. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:33 am

    Yeah. George Bush hired a secret demolition team to wire explosives in the buildings while Israelis piloted the planes.

    For the record, Rabbit, I never said any such thing. I simply said I haven’t seen the physics of the destruction explained such that I could understand it.

    Thanks to Tex and Gorilla for pointing me to good sources.

    P.S. Anyone who watches National Geographic’s interview with George Bush and doesn’t come away feeling for the man, simply has no soul.

  • 271. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:54 am

    Tales of the macho craftsman/fixit man (NOT):

    I guess today I learned what a relative pussy I am. I spent the better part of the day weaving a pot holder/coaster (take your pick) from an arts and crafts set my wife bought my daughter. It’s the kind of thing a lot of us made in school when we were kids with elastic bands stretched across a metal or plastic frame. I was quite proud of the end result.

    Then I discovered around dinner time that my daughter had demolished her TiVo remote control. I tried to channel my ballistic anger into fixing the damn thing.

    Basically, it has a bottom frame, a circuit board, a rubber button pad and a top frame that snaps to the bottom one, After my first attempt at reassembly I realized I had a spring in the wrong place and therefore the batteries didn’t fit snug in the battery compartment. I then had a helluva time prying the thing apart again (something my daughter achieved in seconds precipitating this event in the first place). I finally got the damn thing pried back open, put the spring in the right place, assembled everything again and ….

    …..
    ….
    nothing. :neutral:
    I’m guessing the circuit board was damaged beyond repair. I got online and bought a new remote. My daughter who is fond of saying “you owe me 20 bucks” just out of the blue for no good reason was told by her father that my response in the future would be “you owe me 40 bucks.”

    Bottom line to this story: Daddy is good at making pot holders and sucks at repairing electronic devices. Maybe I need to shack up with Rabbit for a few weeks to get my balls back. :-(

  • 272. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:59 am

    “Anyone who watches National Geographic’s interview with George Bush and doesn’t come away feeling for the man, simply has no soul.”

    It was very humanizing.

  • 273. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 2:01 am

    Ending the night on a bizarre note with a side note on the dangerous nature of Facebook as an information source. My wife discovered, looking at some Facebook profiles that a former co-worker and friend was “found dead” today. The woman in question had had a hard life and my wife being the empathetic sort always liked her. While Hippie Professor’s death disturbed me greatly, there was no mystery compounding my grief. I knew from minute one that he had a massive heart attack. Unfortunately my wife is left with not only the what but the why. The why has no answer as of yet and foul play seems very likely.

    Lousy way to end Labor Day weekend. :-(

  • 274. pfesser53  |  September 6, 2011 at 2:24 am

    “Can anyone here point me to a link that actually explains why the towers fell in upon themselves? Even those of us who find truthers wacky have to admit, lots of tall buildings catch on fire … terrible fires … and don’t collapse the way the towers did.”

    The explanation I saw on TV was that the floor trusses began to sag from the heat and of course a U-shaped truss is not as long as a straight one. The truss ends then fell off the supports, letting one floor pancake onto another and those two onto a third, etc. etc.

    The first tower took longer to fall because there was less – or no – spray-on insulation on its floor trusses, so they got hot and weakened faster. Apparently insulating was halted in mid-construction because of some environmental concern.

    I may be mis-remembering that, but I believe that was the explanation given.

  • 275. pfesser53  |  September 6, 2011 at 2:30 am

    “Pfessor,

    Do you still have your Ham equipment?”

    I still have 2-meter and 440 HTs and my amateur TV stuff is out in the storage building somewhere. My packet stuff was so old I just tossed it. (Pakratt 64? I think it was. Ran off a Commodore 64 which I no longer have.) My HF rig was an old Swan 350 (“three-drifty”) which went tits-up and I tossed since it was so old… I think that’s about it…I had a vertical multi-band antenna whose name escapes me right now. 80-meter dipole. All gone now…

  • 276. an800lbgorilla  |  September 6, 2011 at 6:03 am

    I knew it wasn’t for me when every time, my meditation session would turn into a masturbation session.” – DR

    Focus mugwhy, focus.

  • 277. an800lbgorilla  |  September 6, 2011 at 6:11 am

    Obama has ruined the Democratic Party. The 2010 wipeout was an electoral catastrophe so bad you’d have to go back to 1894 to find comparable losses. From 2008 to 2010, according to Gallup, the fastest growing demographic party label was former Democrat. Obama took over the party in 2008 with 36 percent of Americans considering themselves Democrats. Within just two years, that number had dropped to 31 percent, which tied a 22-year low.

    My, oh my. I almost spit coffee all over y keyboard when I read that.

  • 278. El Tigre  |  September 6, 2011 at 8:01 am

    “did any of you major in Economics in college.”

    Yes. I double majored undergrad. One was economics. Although I am no expert by any stretch, it’s one o the reasons your economic illiteracy drives me crazy. As with most “man on the street” dems, the must fundamental concepts completely elude you — and by design. It’s how we wind up with nonsense like welfare and food stamps are good for the economy being lapped up by the unthinking Obama crowd.

  • 279. El Tigre  |  September 6, 2011 at 8:08 am

    Tex, no problem with tornadoes. In fact, I spent the day at the office getting work down on a quiet, rainy day with Pandora blasting. Since I am in a high-rise, I get to see the weather from a distance. Not too exciting yetserday despite the reports. But I did hear there was some race track out in the burbs that had something blow through.

    Now if you remember the last tornado that went through downtown Atlanta, it actually crossed over the top of my house and touched down two blocks away. I have had several close encounters, but that was the closest. The upside was that the City paid to take down a dead oak I was looking at nearly $15k to have removed from my front yard. It was like winning the lottery.

  • 280. El Tigre  |  September 6, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Oh this is delicious:

    White House Declines To Comment On Union Leader’s Anti-Tea Party Rhetoric At Labor Day Rally

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/white-house-declines-to-comment-on-union-leaders-anti-tea-party-rhetoric-at-labor-day-rally-2/

    You going to rant and rave about it this time Rutherford? I’m scared of the racist tea party that wants to see blacks hanging from trees and throw old ladies off cliffs. Will Obama and the teamsters save us by leading the charge to eradicate them?

    Too funny. Automatic pass from the press, I’m sure.

  • 281. El Tigre  |  September 6, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Get busy boys or I’ll sue your asses. It’s your legal duty.

    Frenchman ordered to pay wife damages for lack of sex

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8741895/Frenchman-ordered-to-pay-wife-damages-for-lack-of-sex.html

  • 282. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Gorilla,

    I just read that Salon article with great glee for two reasons: (1) The obvious mocking of the current failure as President; (2) the dummies still don’t get why they are failing. Matt Stoller is smart enough to realize there’s a huge problem with Obama – not smart enough to realize he is a part of the problem.

    The entire makeup and demographic of the Dimocratic party is in tatters. Every vestige is falling apart. Their states are falling apart. Their communities are falling apart. Every idea they have proposed and passed has failed and all are falling apart.

    But the sad fact is, millions of Americans are still dumb enough, uninformed enough, gullible enough that 45% of them will pull the Dim lever next year at a minimum, never recognizing they are cutting their own throats, ruining their children’s future, and possibly causing irreparable harm to 235 years of the most successful freedom and liberty experiment in man’s history.

    When 32% of the American public still gives Obama a “favorable” rating on the economy, you recognize there’s a better than average chance the country goes to hell no matter who is President. :mad:

    It is impossible to overcome that level of lunacy – you simply have to divest yourselves of that garbage before you can truly recover.

  • 283. Raji  |  September 6, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Rutherford
    If you are interested in delving a bit into the theories of economists, these two books are good reads. You might find it interesting to compare the current state of affairs to what theories were purposed in 1974.

    Ronald E. Müller, deceased was an economist and adviser to developing nations who offered an early forecast of the positive but potentially destabilizing impacts of globalization.

    A professor of economics at American University since 1970, Dr. Müller was the co-author with Richard J. Barnet of “Global Reach,” a bestselling 1974 book about the growing power of multinational corporations.

    “Global Reach” challenged the idea that globalization would yield the greatest good for the greatest number of people. The book argued that worldwide businesses contribute to a widening gap between rich and poor and undermine the power and self-determination of national governments.

    Developing countries were particularly vulnerable to companies seeking to maximize profits, they wrote, but the United States was hardly immune.

    Reviewing the book in the New York Times, Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) wrote, “Barnet and Müller have struck a vital theme. For I am convinced that not since the early 1930s has America been so ripe for the fundamental reconsideration of the relationship of corporate power and political responsibility.”

    For “Global Reach,” Dr. Müller and his co-author received a 1975 Sidney Hillman Foundation award, given to journalists whose work supports social justice. Dr. Müller wrote a sequel in 1980, “Revitalizing America,” about the systemic instability of global markets.

  • 284. Raji  |  September 6, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Gorilla
    Thanks for the link. Very Interesting!

  • 285. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 10:13 am

    There are some funny commenters in the world. I think Brother Rabbit is been making the rounds:

    Modern feminism is just socialism with a vagina. Oh, and hooters. Sometimes really nice ones.

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/09/feminism-is-all-about-taking-control.html

  • 286. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Not that I mind in the least some goon named Jimmy Hoffa calling for “taking out the sons-of-bitches” from the Tea Party, because it’s like out of a bad Danny Devito movie and pretty dang humorous.

    But Debbie Downer’s obfuscation when called is only the latest proof of exactly how disingenuous and dishonest virtually leaders of the Dimocratic party are anymore.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/06/showdown_on_fox__friends_wasserman_schultz_avoids_hoffa_question-comments.html

    Either condemn it or congratulate it when asked. But don’t evade it Deb.

    One of your outstanding leaders “R”.

  • 287. El Tigre  |  September 6, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Tex, that was delivered right before Obama attacked Congress (and the civility of its discourse) for his failings. I swear, you can’t make this shit up. And right before he scolds Congress during the start of football season (Does Obama recognize that the dems still hold the Senate?).

    For the record, Hoffa scan and should say this type of shit if he wants, as should Palin and the Tea Party etc. It’s the hypocrisy that’s just breathtaking. Better hope nothing happens to a tea party member or the blood will be on Hoffa’s and Obama’s hands, right R?

  • 288. El Tigre  |  September 6, 2011 at 11:37 am

    And Biden jumps in:

    http://www.hapblog.com/2011/09/biden-at-afl-cio-rally-you-are-only.html

    Holy crap this is priceless. :lol: :lol:

  • 289. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 11:47 am

    If Joe Biden hadn’t been such a moronic hack all these years, including being such an ass the word “borked” was created on his account, I would swear Jolting Joe a Republican plant in order to make the Dimocratic Party appear as horrific and stupid as possible.

    I want Obama out as badly as anyone because he is killing the country. But not a day goes by, that I don’t think of the ramification of a moron like Joe Biden actually being in charge for even a moment.

    I can understand gerrymandered districts giving us bumbling, corrupt fools like Maxine Waters, Hank Johnson, Cynthia McKinney – barnyard animals are smarter.

    But what the heck does it say about an entire state voting every six years for somebody as indisputably stupid as Joe Biden? Delaware is without excuse, as Biden a national disgrace.

  • 290. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 6, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    “Too funny. Automatic pass from the press, I’m sure.”

    Yep.

  • 291. El Tigre  |  September 6, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Yeah, but he’s a loveable lying, cheating, plagiarizing disgrace. One heat beat away, right?

    You won’t be laughing when Guam does tip over. And don’t say you weren’t warned. :roll:

    You know, talking with some of the fellows at lunch today that are bitter Obama clingers (hell they’d have been with Hitler in the bunker in the final hours), they were still lamenting about Bush and why all the racist venom directed at Obama. I pointed out that the years of chest poking that was endured with a crescendo-ed “nah, nah ,nah, hey, hey good bye” lends itself to a collective schadenfreude on a guttural level. On an intellectual level its downright fear and disgust at Obama’s predictable incompetence.

  • 292. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    * they’d have been with Hitler in the bunker in the final hours

    Figure Rutherford would have been right there with him? I thought he might be seeing a bit of light, until he said he would move to Canada before voting Republican.

    It was then I recognized he was kind of milder, gentler, less caustic Graychin, or maybe a really smart version of Yeller Dawg.

  • 293. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    I pointed out that the years of chest poking that was endured with a crescendo-ed “nah, nah ,nah, hey, hey good bye” lends itself to a collective schadenfreude on a guttural level.

    There Tigre, you’ve FINALLY hit the nail on the head. As I watched Bush talk about 9/11 on National Geographic and I thought about how he was savaged by the left, I said to my wife, “no wonder the right despises Obama. This is serious payback for eight years of Bush bashing.”

    The truth Tigre, whether you want to admit it or not is that the visceral hatred of this President is not merited even by his incompetence if we are to agree he’s incompetent (I don’t go quite that far). This visceral reaction is payback for what came before.

  • 294. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    until he said he would move to Canada before voting Republican.

    As is often the case, you misquoted me. I said I’d sooner move to Canada than vote for Perry …. a very reasonable stance on my part. :-)

    I’ll tell you what … if either Huntsman or Chris Christie is the GOP nominee I may have to vote Republican for the first time in my 50 years. Time will tell.

  • 295. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    “This visceral reaction is payback for what came before.”

    Which was, as we were told, the very definition of patriotism.

    Well…that and taxes….

    Now it seems to be the definition of terrorists, son of bitches, and barbarians.

  • 296. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    corrupt fools like Maxine Waters, Hank Johnson, Cynthia McKinney

    Where’s the evidence that Hank Johnson, stupid as a post, is corrupt? Last I heard, Waters was vindicated of any charges. I’m not familiar with McKinney.

    You need to broaden your reach brother Tex. Other than Biden, you can’t list any white congress critters with whom you have a gripe or do blacks just have your goat today?

  • 297. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Tigre what I love about the not-enough-sex lawsuit is that it flies in the face of conventional wisdom … namely that men are sex crazed aggressors who don’t give their weary wives a break. :-)

  • 298. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Either condemn it or congratulate it when asked. But don’t evade it Deb.

    Agreed.

  • 299. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    As with most “man on the street” dems, the must fundamental concepts completely elude you

    Tigre, then kindly refute in language I can understand, my assertion that economics is for the most part a scam … theories buttressed by assumptions, theories, none of which can reflect the real organic world in which we live.

  • 300. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Oh and hat tip to Tex on the MBA … Tex I forgot about that. Considering all your degrees and time spent in classrooms, has anyone ever called you a professional student?

  • 301. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    LOL I laugh out loud every time G posts an article from Salon.com. Next thing you know we’ll find out he’s secretly dating Joan Walsh. :lol:

  • 302. El Tigre  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    “This visceral reaction is payback for what came before.”

    Oh no. That’s part of the reason. I am no Bush fan, especially in his second term.

    Another component is the hero worship Obama sought an engendered. Sickening for anyone with sensibilities (and at the time that you obviously weren’t, Big Boy).

    Another is simply a core belief in limited government and conservative values (not social — political and economic).

    I didn’t think it was possible, but I dislike Obama even more today then when he was standing in Berlin, in front of the foam columns, and before the Nobel committee in Sweden.

    He’s a complete fraud. He embodies the antithesis of true leadership. The reason you don’t get it is because image above substance is captures the heart and psyche of the left. You are still having a hard time coming around in the face of abject failure.

  • 303. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    It occurred to me this morning just how little understanding Barack Obama has of the separation of powers.

    The man seems to think that he can invite himself into congressional chambers any time he wants. We already knew that.

    But he is also crying about Congress not signing 3 free trade deals….that are sitting on his desk. Which suggests that he also believes that congress can enter his chamber any time it wants…and is just choosing not to do so to fuck him up.

    No wonder he hides his university grades.

  • 304. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    My last comment just got eaten so I guess I am done for the day.

  • 305. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    You need to broaden your reach brother Tex. Other than Biden, you can’t list any white congress critters with whom you have a gripe or do blacks just have your goat today?

    :lol: I love you brother. I knew if I listed only blacks, you’d pucker up. You’re so predictable to me anymore. You know you’re the one black guy on earth I feel I can joke with openly, and will take your racist shit in return with glad tidings of great joy?

    Are there any people in the black caucus besides Alan West than aren’t under investigation, indictment, or on their way to prison?

    White Dimocratic Congressman? Are you kidding? Where the hell do I start? I could save time by listing Dimocratic Congressman I respect…



    Can’t think of any. Maybe Boren, and he resigned effective this term.

    Leahy, Durbin, Box, Murray, Sanders, Frank, Reid, Pelosi, Akaka, Baucus, Schumer, Bennett, Warner, Stabenow – all world class turds superseding any black critter besides Waters, who is a total POS and you know it.

  • 306. El Tigre  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    “Refute my assertion that economics is for the most part a scam … theories buttressed by assumptions, theories, none of which can reflect the real organic world in which we live.”

    Am I being punked? What the hell does this mean? You want me to refute why you think economics is bogus? If so, my answer is “agreed.” The irrationality of the Rutherfords of the world has taken over. No social science can account for that!

    Seriously, I don’t get it. Are you saying we’re not in a predicament? Are you asking me defend economics as a discipline? If so, go elsewhere. I’m not up to the task. Go to Krugman. If he can explain it, I’d like to know why he believes himself right when almost everything he says about politics is wrong.

  • 307. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    “has anyone ever called you a professional student?”

    The bitch at my bank used to call me one until I complained to her boss.

    Also..false alarm on the comment.

  • 308. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Considering all your degrees and time spent in classrooms, has anyone ever called you a professional student?

    :smile: Pitiful, isn’t it? Here I am with over 300 college hours, many of those obtained while working full-time, and I’m picking weeds this afternoon without hope and really don’t give a damn either. I’m so disgusted with what represents leadership anymore in America, political and corporate, I’m thinking of raising the stakes and taking these bastards on myself. Give me a forum and I’ll give them an earful and won’t hold punches.

    If my wife ever wises up and leaves me for good (she just left for Houston), I’ll bust a cap, so there’s still hope for the Fat Grannies crowd to celebrate my quick demise. :twisted:

    I used to make fun of professional student people like me “R”. Now I am one.

  • 309. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    “theories buttressed by assumptions, theories, none of which can reflect the real organic world in which we live.”

    Social sciences are not like physical sciences. Treating them as such is your first, and biggest mistake.

    But if you insist on doing so, use the comparison I have given here before…economics is like chemistry, but we don’t know how all of the elements react when mixed because the properties of those elements are in constant flux.

  • 310. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    What Matt Stoller of Salon.com fails to acknowledge (although his “example to follow” illustrates it) is that a primary challenge to Obama will virtually guarantee a GOP President in 2012. The fool cites William Jennings Bryan who lost to William McKinley as some sort of triumph in that he “introduced many populist themes into the party and began the ideological transformation that would culminate with the election of Franklin Roosevelt in 1932.” Yeah big triumph there. So if we kick out Obama now we get the White House back in 30 years. What an ass.

    As a postscript, Stoller also fails to acknowledge that Cleveland had already served two terms (albeit non-consecutive) and that seeking a third term was VERY rare as proven by FDR being our only 3+ term President. So the Cleveland/Obama comparison just doesn’t withstand scrutiny.

  • 311. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Correction to my prior comment …. it didn’t take 30 years to get the White House back …. Wilson in 1913. My bad.

  • 312. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 6, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    “So if we kick out Obama now we get the White House back in 30 years. What an ass.”

    Why don’t you listen to your Dear Leader and put country before party?

    You are willing to risk America’s future by not giving us the best you think your party has to offer just because doing so will deny your party the White House?

  • 313. El Tigre  |  September 6, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    “Social sciences are not like physical sciences. Treating them as such is your first, and biggest mistake.”

    Ah, So you can’t prove unicorns don’t shit skittles, can you?

    Check mate.

  • 314. poolman  |  September 6, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    The link at 256 is pretty comical really. I followed the info, trying to see what they were attempting to prove. The links there that actually worked went to a home page, rather than any specific references. Clicking the hyperlink for the authors sent me to the same article in a separate URL.

    The NIST link worked and was good, but they were only tasked to determine if the steel was structurally sound and they determined it was from the samples they had been given. That essentially proved the steel was not faulty, but never addressed the cause for the building collapse. Overall, I gathered the conclusion of the article stated it was a pancake collapse. That, after trying to re-educate me on the difference between heat and temperature. :roll:

    The pancake theory has already been scraped for many reasons, even by NIST. Since it could not be reconstructed in anyone’s models and does nothing to explain the rate of collapse equaling free fall speed. Pancaking also would have left a much taller debris pile and would be evident in video of the collapse, as the fall would slow when each subsequent floor was impacted. Pancaking doesn’t explain the pulverized concrete or the human bone fragments and remains found on rooftops hundreds of feet away.

    The most obvious omission is WT7. No plane or jet fuel was there. The building itself was much newer and constructed as a fortress. The entire structure was beefed up further in 1988.

    In November 1988, Salomon Brothers withdrew from plans to build a large new complex at Columbus Circle in Midtown and agreed to a 20-year lease for the top 19 floors of 7 World Trade Center.[24] The building was extensively renovated in 1989 to accommodate the needs of Salomon Brothers.[25] Most of three existing floors were removed as tenants continued to occupy other floors, and more than 350 tons (U.S.) of steel were added to construct three double-height trading floors. Nine diesel generators were installed on the 5th floor as part of a backup power station. “Essentially, Salomon is constructing a building within a building – and it’s an occupied building, which complicates the situation,” said a district manager of Silverstein Properties. The unusual task was possible, said Larry Silverstein, because it was designed to allow for “entire portions of floors to be removed without affecting the building’s structural integrity, on the assumption that someone might need double-height floors.”[25]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

    Bottom line, if this article convinces any of you, I’m afraid I overestimated your detective skills. Any of you interested in some swamp farm land in Florida? :grin:

  • 315. poolman  |  September 6, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    The Popular Mechanics stories were debunked years ago. I’m surprised they are still referenced as valid. But then lots of things surprise me in this free country.

    Following the publication of the article and its exaltation by the mainstream media as the final nail in the coffin for 9/11 conspiracy theories, it was revealed that senior researcher on the piece Benjamin Chertoff is the cousin of Michael Chertoff, Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.
    This means that Benjamin Chertoff was hired to write an article that would receive nationwide attention, about the veracity of the government’s explanation of an event that led directly to the creation of Homeland Security, a body that his own cousin now heads.
    This is unparalleled nepotism and completely dissolves the credibility of the article before one has even turned the first page.
    The arguments presented in the article have been widely debunked by the 9/11 truth community as an example of a straw man hatchet job – whereby false arguments are erected, attributed to 9/11 skeptics, and then shot down.
    One of the most glaring errors in the Popular Mechanics hit piece appears in the ‘Intercepts Not Routine’ section where it is claimed that, “In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart’s Learjet, in October 1999.”
    As Jim Hoffman points out in his excellent rebuttal, “This bold assertion flies in the face of a published report of scramble frequencies that quotes the same Maj. Douglas Martin that is one of PM’s cited experts!”
    “From Sept. 11 to June, NORAD scrambled jets or diverted combat air patrols 462 times, almost seven times as often as the 67 scrambles from September 2000 to June 2001, Martin said.”
    The article also makes no mention whatsoever of the numerous war games scheduled for the morning of 9/11 which confused air defense personnel as to the true nature of the attack as it unfolded, as is documented by the recent release of the NORAD tapes

  • 316. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    Are there any people in the black caucus besides Alan West

    LOL … does Allen West consider himself a member of the black caucus? :-)

    Waters, who is a total POS and you know it.

    I’d call Waters “imprudent” in her choice of words. You ought to like Maxine as she does not drink the Obama koolaid. She’s on his ass, albeit for policy initiatives you oppose … but then you know, the enemy of my enemy …. :-)

  • 317. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    The bitch at my bank used to call me one until I complained to her boss.

    LOL touchy touchy. I can see it now … you gripe to the boss and then say to the teller “now give me my withdrawal so I can go buy more text books!” ;-)

  • 318. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Yeah big triumph there. So if we kick out Obama now we get the White House back in 30 years. What an ass.

    Well, sixteen years or so would do. I noticed that too, and thought, I like the way you think Matt. :smile:

    Dammit Rutherford, would you and your Mrs. get off this idiocy of absolute party politic and start considering the ideas that might provide your daughter a life? You know government isn’t the answer – its the biggest part of the problem.

    I am not leaving you alone until I convince you to overcome a lifetime of skewed, irrational thinking and doing what is right – both faith and politic. Too funny a man to let slip into the abyss.

  • 319. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 6, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    “LOL … does Allen West consider himself a member of the black caucus? ”

    Yes. But probably not for much longer.

  • 320. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 6, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    “LOL touchy touchy. I can see it now … you gripe to the boss and then say to the teller “now give me my withdrawal so I can go buy more text books!””

    How would you react to a teller calling you a professional cripple?

  • 321. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    How would you react to a teller calling you a professional cripple?

    I’m not entirely sure I see the parallel. I suppose if one were a disabled advocate for the disabled one could be called a “professional cripple”. Since I’ve never been that, I find it unlikely I’d be called that.

    But to the extent that the term “professional student” carries a derogatory tinge, I do understand your irritation. I was just teasing you.

  • 322. poolman  |  September 6, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    I read Bachmann’s campaign manager and assistant campaign manager were stepping down. It seems right now Perry is in the forefront of GOP contenders. If he’s the nominee, we’ll likely see Obama for another term. Of course there could be another “event” staged to affect the vote. You just never know what tricks these folks have up their sleeves.

  • 323. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 6, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    “I suppose if one were a disabled advocate for the disabled one could be called a “professional cripple”.”

    You don’t see the parallel because this isn’t a parallel.

    I wasn’t called a professional student because I am a student who advocates for students. I was called a professional student because the checks I cash are from my school. That’s it.

    “Since I’ve never been that, I find it unlikely I’d be called that.”

    Do you regularly cash disability checks? (rhetorical, as we have both made our points).

  • 324. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    Pancaking also would have left a much taller debris pile and would be evident in video of the collapse, as the fall would slow when each subsequent floor was impacted. Pancaking doesn’t explain the pulverized concrete or the human bone fragments and remains found on rooftops hundreds of feet away.

    Are you really this gullible, or are you clever old comic out in Phoenix pulling our leg? I’ll assume your that gullible.

    The nickel tour of physics from one amateur to another…

    ———–

    95% of the building was air.
    Pancaking was evident – that’s why you first claimed it was a controlled demolition. Remember? Little smoking charges blowing out the corners of the building (which were simply the supports snapping). But not complete pancaking, as some of the steel had weakened and some hadn’t near the top when the collapse begin. The redundancy of support would not have allowed the first few floors to collapse perfectly level and I am sure there was some variation during the collapse. Simple trigonometry and sin curves could probably calculate the debris field with feet if we knew the incline when the collapse began.

    Have you ever heard of potential energy Poolman? It’s a real simple formulation: mass x gravity x height. 500,000 tons dropped from any height will pulverize anything. More specifically the formula is:

    PE=potential energy (joule)
    m=mass (kg)
    g=gravitational acceleration (m/sec^2)
    h= height (m) elevation

    the fall would slow when each subsequent floor was impacted

    PE to kinetic energy says that the additional accumulation of mass of each succeeding floor in conjunction with the natural acceleration of gravity should cause the collapse to appear to quicken as it approached street level. It appeared to me it did just that.

    If I wanted to get really specific and more accurate, we could move from potential energy being converted to kinetic energy (state of movement) as the building collapsed.

    And this article does just that if interested.

    http://www.911myths.com/WTCREPORT.pdf

    It also debunks with some mathematical precision any of the troofer bunk about conspiracies. I’m not going to argue with you further, as I am not convinced you have ever sought the truth about this or much of anything else. This is a courtesy FYI so hopefully you won’t continue to make an ass of yourself concerning this particular issue.

  • 325. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    your/you’re…crapola.

  • 326. poolman  |  September 6, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Professional student IS an insult. No job slot in the public interface should EVER use that word. I would have axed her. Attitude and PC is a must and required per the job description. NO EXCUSE.

    Conform, baby. Leave your prejudices outside your job box.

    Ron Paul. If you guys really wanted what is best for us, that is who we would elect. He’ll take us back to responsible. Quit playing these silly patty-cake games. Criminals are stealing your stuff. Kick ‘em down and out!

  • 327. El Tigre  |  September 6, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    “Tigre what I love about the not-enough-sex lawsuit is that it flies in the face of conventional wisdom … namely that men are sex crazed aggressors who don’t give their weary wives a break.”

    I think we need to see what she looks like before we rush to judgement. I think the spouses of any of the Fat Grannies crowd would be acquitted.

  • 328. poolman  |  September 6, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Hey pancake. Minute 6:50.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=65460757734339444

  • 329. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    Do you regularly cash disability checks? OK now I see your point. (Oh, and for the record, no.)

  • 330. El Tigre  |  September 6, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    Peaking of pancake, there’s been a shooting at an IHOP in Carson City Nevada — following Hoffa’s and Biden’s inflammatory speeches. R, you ready to speculate or should we wait for MSNBC?

  • 331. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    I have no idea what your point is GJED.

    I provided you with the higher level mathematics and physics formulations, the predict events, even providing the calculations, proving the event worked exactly like the math said it should under the circumstances – which I realize is like introducing a neanderthal to a virtual surgery tool.

    You have no idea what I just attempted to explain to you, do you Poolman?

  • 332. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 6, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    I notice Perry is catching hell for returning to Texas for the fires instead of going to a debate.

    I find this interesting and I am not sure how I feel about it.

    On the one hand, the guy is the exec. of a state that is in the midst of a crisis. His first priority should be on the job he has, not on the job he wants.

    On the other hand, shouldn’t a guy who wants to lead all 50 states show that he has the ability to multitask and deal with the issues of 1 place while being at and engaging people in another?

    That spot between the rock and the hard place is a tough spot to be in.

  • 333. poolman  |  September 6, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    I do understand the math. I appreciate your effort. However, it has no bearing on what occurred. 95 percent air still acts as a cushion unless you take all the windows out first.

    I went to your link and reviewed the seismic data. There were a lot of seismic records that day that I have previously examined. The video I linked goes there, too.

    Maybe it’s the little I know about architecture that makes me dangerous. I don’t know. Maybe the Hoboken dude reminds me of someone I went to school with.

    Just an honest assessment without prejudice would be nice.
    If that is possible.

  • 334. poolman  |  September 6, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Poser Perry. That’s my new name for him. How can you be for secession with one crowd and want to be president of the empire with the next? That seems contradictory. Of course, he was once a democrat. He is more genuine Texan than Bush. I guess as long as it’s popular he’ll stay that way. I can’t trust him. He’s just too slick.

  • 335. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 6, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    PM, regarding my #332, how would you advise Perry?

    I am thinking, ultimately, I would advise him to go to the debate.

    The theme that he can’t multitask would be louder than the one that says he is doing his job.

  • 336. Rutherford  |  September 6, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Two things Huck … yes I agree we can read Perry’s waffling on debate attendance two ways. But also keep in mind, Perry has a history of “unorthodox” campaigning including refusal to debate opponents.

    We’ll see how this plays out. The boys at MSNBC must be pissed. Perry was the only thing making this debate any different from the last one.

  • 337. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    The seismic data? I’m not discussing seismic data – that is practically irrelevant to the issue at hand. It might make an interesting tidbit for discussion. But it is unnecessary to prove anything.

    Rabbit is right – even having this discussion is ludicrous. It is not understanding of math you require – it is understanding physics – force, gravity, mass, statics, strengths. And you obviously do not.

    95 percent air still acts as a cushion unless you take all the windows out first.

    :?: What are you talking about? You think air acted as a cushion? :lol: Perhaps if we talking about dropping a feather or a piece of plywood, a penny or something, but we’re talking about thousands of tons of reinforced concrete and steel beams with a tremendous amount of mass in comparison to the surface area.

    Let’s make this simple. If I drop a bowling ball off the top of Empire State Building on a normal day, is the bowling ball dropping faster, slower or the same speed at 100ft after release in comparison to when it hits the ground? We can repeat the experiment down the elevator shaft if you wish, but the difference in speed at impact will only be fractionally different.

    If you can answer that question, we’ll move to step 2.

  • 338. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 6, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    “We can repeat the experiment down the elevator shaft if you wish, but the difference in speed at impact will only be fractionally different.”

    That’s because elevator shafts are inspected by the government, man! It’s all a part of the same conspiracy! It proves nothing!

  • 339. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Of course, he was once a democrat

    As a reminder, so was Ronald Reagan. And he was probably the best President of the 20th century – as a Republican.

  • 340. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    That’s because elevator shafts are inspected by the government, man! It’s all a part of the same conspiracy! It proves nothing!

    :smile: For a split second, that was so lifelike, I thought it Poolman responding.

  • 341. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  September 6, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Boy, will you guys feel sorry when Charlie Sheen blows the lid of the 9/11 conspiracy.

    WINNING!

  • 342. poolman  |  September 6, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Let’s make this simple. If I drop a bowling ball off the top of Empire State Building on a normal day, is the bowling ball dropping faster, slower or the same speed at 100ft after release in comparison to when it hits the ground?

    It isn’t falling at any speed when it hits the ground. That’s where your “kinetic energy takes over. If you mean just before it hits, then the answer is faster.

  • 343. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  September 6, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    If you mean just before it hits, then the answer is faster.

    Nine point eight meters per second squared.

  • 344. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    It isn’t falling at any speed when it hits the ground. That’s where your “kinetic energy takes over. If you mean just before it hits, then the answer is faster.
    :lol: No, that is when your kinetic energy ends – kinetic meaning move, like Obama’s kinetic wars. But you got the second part correct – great job!

    Now, go watch the towers again, how they fell, and observe what happens as its collapse increases in speed as it approaches ground level – just like its supposed to. You’re getting warmer….

  • 345. poolman  |  September 6, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    Knucklehead. It transfers the kinetic energy to the ground. The impact zone.

    The bowling ball is in free fall. A building falling into itself is not. Kinetic – impact, kinetic – impact, kinetic – impact, etc. You still haven’t watched that video, obviously.

  • 346. dead rabbit  |  September 6, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    http://mrctv.org/videos/video-game-allows-players-slaughter-tea-party-zombies-sarah-palin-and-bill-oreilly

    The Tea Party zombie game is wrong on so many levels. Yet, due to what probably amounts to a lack of character, it still cracked me up.

  • 347. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  September 6, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    DR, when I saw it I was relieved to find that the Left had finally found a mature and productive way of addressing their differences of opinions with ideological opposites. instead of that tired old civility and debate with people so clearly dumb that they aren’t swayed by all of the Left’s fabulous, honest, and logically consistent arguments.

  • 348. dead rabbit  |  September 6, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    That and the Glenn Beck zombie was funny… aggressive, but funny.

    Your right, though. I guess that’s when you know the libs have left the forum of ideas…they fantasize about their intellectual superiors being brain dead zombies, fodder for slaughter.

  • 349. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    It transfers the kinetic energy to the ground. The impact zone.

    The bowling ball is in free fall. A building falling into itself is not. Kinetic – impact, kinetic – impact, kinetic – impact, etc.

    :lol: :lol:

    No, didn’t get that one right either. KE = 0; PE = 0 and some of the energy is dissipated as heat. Now you’re talking momentum and impulse, which are not required for this mental exercise.

    And you were doing so well until you started talking out your ass again about subjects your don’t understand.

    I watched the part of the video you told me to watch.

  • 350. Tex Taylor  |  September 6, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    The Tea Party zombie game is wrong on so many levels. Yet, due to what probably amounts to a lack of character, it still cracked me up.

    I kind of like the Tea Party Zombie game. Where do you get a working copy for free?

    Just to show you the hypocrisy and race pimping from the Left, do you remember the Left’s faux outrage over a video game called “Border Patrol”?

    http://nerdnirvana.org/g4m3s/borderpatrol.htm

    I heard some skinhead site created it.

    Anyway, why would Tea Bagger Zombie game be any different Border Patrol?

  • 351. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 7, 2011 at 1:12 am

    Thanks for the recommendation of The Fighter, Tex. I watched it last night and enjoyed it.

    As much as I try not to like Mark Wahlberg, I find myself liking some of his films. He puts forth a believable sort of “everyman” in his acting that I find easy to identify with.

    Tonight I am going to check out one I’ve heard about for years but never seen….Network.

  • 352. an800lbgorilla  |  September 7, 2011 at 5:36 am

    Video games, Teamsters- please tell us R when the rhetoric has gotten dangerous on the left. I’m curious since the bar seems to have been pretty low. I mean, we went from crosshairs “targeting” congressional districts, which sent the left into apolectic shock at the “violent message” being sent. Now, we have union leaders of organizations infamous for their mafia connections and their history of violence making direct threats against a political demographic of people.

    Hmmmmm, how are these two different?

    KKK threatens Blacks
    Teamsters threatens Tea Party

  • 353. an800lbgorilla  |  September 7, 2011 at 5:40 am

    Thugs-r-Us: Bought and paid for. You know R, we call this quid-pro-quo…

    Sen. Barack Obama won the endorsement of the Teamsters earlier this year after privately telling the union he supported ending the strict federal oversight imposed to root out corruption, according to officials from the union and the Obama campaign.

    It’s an unusual stance for a presidential candidate. Policy makers have largely treated monitoring of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters as a legal matter left to the Justice Department since an independent review board was set up in 1992 to eliminate mob influence in the union.

    John Coli, vice president for the Teamsters central region, who brokered the Teamsters endorsement, said Sen. Obama was “pretty definitive that the time had come to start the beginning of the end” of the three-member independent review board that investigates suspect activity in the union. Mr. Coli said that Sen. Obama conveyed that view in a series of phone conversations and meetings with Teamsters officials last year.

  • 354. an800lbgorilla  |  September 7, 2011 at 5:57 am

  • 355. an800lbgorilla  |  September 7, 2011 at 5:58 am

  • 356. El Tigre  |  September 7, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Huck, Network is great. There’s one seen in it that I think is one of the best on film. I don’t want to spoil it for you, so let me know when you’ve got it under your belt.

  • 357. PFesser  |  September 7, 2011 at 8:39 am

    “It transfers the kinetic energy to the ground. The impact zone.

    The bowling ball is in free fall. A building falling into itself is not. Kinetic – impact, kinetic – impact, kinetic – impact, etc. ”

    Absolutely correct. I didn’t think you and I would ever agree on physics, poolman. LOL Every time a floor collapses, most of its kinetic energy is transferred to the floor below – and so on.

    Every molecule of the intact building has potential energy based on its position above the ground. Once the building begins to fall, every molecule begins to convert a portion of its potential energy to kinetic energy. At any moment in time the sum of that molecule’s potential and kinetic energy will equal the original potential energy. The sum total potential energy is an integral of all energies in all particles.

    Of course the ideal is that each particle will be in free fall, and as such will convert all of its potential into kinetic energy just before impact. As a practical matter, just as you said, some energy is transferred to its neighbors as it falls, being dissipated as heat as the two interact on the way down. There will also be some energy transferred to the air as friction, and remember the building doesn’t just fall like somebody being clotheslined; it is resisting the fall via its frame and intact parts below. There is in practical terms no transfer of energy through the frame since it really doesn’t move; the energy is converted to heat locally as the building falls.

    As each molecule decelerates on the way down or accelerates at less than g, its kinetic component is continuously being converted to heat; its potential energy depends entirely on where it is when the measurement is made.

    Once everything settles at ground level, there is no kinetic energy left and only a little potential in the stuff that is still stacked above the other stuff. Where did all the energy go? Heat.

    I’m sure that makes it REALLY murky now.

    In any event the interactions are so complex that there are hundreds of variables that have to be accounted for and I would be very surprised if folks discussing on a blog what they saw on TV can do a better job than the engineers and scientists who went at it hammer and tong with complex analysis tools – and still have many unanswered questions.

  • 358. Tex Taylor  |  September 7, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Huck,

    Speaking of Markie Mark and assuming you haven’t seen it, he’s got another one too that was available on NetFlix streaming for a time that is well worth the watch – The Shooter.

    They rotate the newer ones around, but I watched Sling Blade some months back, and thought it was pretty good. And I think I’ve mentioned this here before, but that Hitler spoof that everybody uses for comedy on YouTube? Downfall – the last 12 days of Hitler’s life according to his personal secretary.

    One of the best movies I’ve seen in the last 10 years. Well worth the watch – and the acting is absolutely fabulous. The guy that plays Hitler is uncanny.

  • 359. an800lbgorilla  |  September 7, 2011 at 10:00 am

    I’m about to make R’s day…

  • 360. El Tigre  |  September 7, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Tex, Poolamn is way more qualified to discuss the collapse of the towers than you think. Here he is in action:

    http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=28443

  • 361. Tex Taylor  |  September 7, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Gorilla, :lol:

    I saw this interview last night. Had I known Rutherford’s phone number I would have called him to make sure he watched. It would have done his heart good. He needs something good to happen – this was it.

    I love Ann Coulter – luke warm on Ingraham anymore, though she too is smart. And I will admit, I did not know any of that about Rick Perry which Coulter listed – gives me pause.

    I’d like Ann Coulter to run for President. Nominate me President, and I’ll ask Ann to be Sec. of State. The world would cower and tremble in fear. :smile:

    There is no candidate running that I’m wildly enthusiastic about. Christie has issues of his own – AGW, for instance. I understand he’s a believer. :roll:

    I’m still a big Rubio fan, but the time is not right. Paul Ryan was my second choice.

    And I agree completely with Ann Coulter – the central, overriding issue and my biggest concern is getting Obama and his band of thugs out of Washington forever. Hillary Rotten too.

    Which ever man proves the most electable candidate, Perry, Romney, or even a fringe candidate like Ron Paul is fine by me.

    The key is getting rid of Obama. Period.

  • 362. Tex Taylor  |  September 7, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Tigre, Damn, I knew that was coming. I thought he was going to take out the chimney first.
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    I am stunned a pool could be that heavy to topple a crane, even minus the counterweights.

    When I was in college, I worked in a steel fabrication shop. We built a boiler that the overhead cranes couldn’t handle. Weighed well over 100 tons.

    They brought in a 200 ton mobile crane – still the most amazing piece of equipment I’ve ever worked with. We had to do this on a Saturday, so it did not disrupt the entire complex, with special permits and a lowboy trailer that seemed like it had 50 wheels. I was the lucky one to get to climb the boiler and hook the massive cables 20′+ feet off the ground – young, dumb college kid. Talk about scary work. Man, I was in good shape back then – couldn’t do it now to save my life.

    Anyway to get down, I got to hold on to the hook of the crane. The hook block was as big as car. Seemed like it took forever on the ride down.

    Those were the days.

  • 363. El Tigre  |  September 7, 2011 at 11:19 am

    “I am stunned a pool could be that heavy to topple a crane, even minus the counterweights.”

    Precisely! That couldn’t have happened on its own. Bush caused it. Wake up. Smell the coffee. :roll:

  • 364. Tex Taylor  |  September 7, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Gorilla has got a pretty good article up at his place. Worth the read and the comments. Wish Rutherford would post more threads like Gorilla did, because it is definitely worth the discussion.

  • 365. El Tigre  |  September 7, 2011 at 11:30 am

    R, why so quiet about the menacing Hoffa and Biden speeches? It better be the subject of a new post you’re working on. We deserve it after you’re MSNBC post-Tucson shooting rant. Come on. Paybacks are hell.

    In all honesty, I hope this points out how genuinely repressive the left’s so-called “call for civility” really is (although I know you’ll do your damndest to distinguish or justify it rather than turn the mirror on your heroes at your favorite propaganda machine, MSNBC).

  • 366. PFesser  |  September 7, 2011 at 11:41 am

    “I am stunned a pool could be that heavy to topple a crane, even minus the counterweights.”

    It isn’t the weight in this case; it’s the leverage. Look at how far out that pool is! A little further and it could move the world…

    I always wondered if the cranes had any kind of charts or sensors to warn the operator when he was getting near the danger zone. A sensor would be pretty easy I would think. Anybody know?

  • 367. PFesser  |  September 7, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Here’s how you could do it: each of the four outriggers are just “stab jacks” – hydraulic cylinders. Just have a series of four gauges in front of the operator’s vision connected to the hydraulic lines going to each cylinder.

    Once the jacks are supporting the crane, the pressure in each one is proportional to the weight on it. When the pressure in the cylinder got below a certain value, the needle would enter a red zone, backed up by a flashing yellow, then red light on that gauge. Easy.

  • 368. Tex Taylor  |  September 7, 2011 at 11:53 am

    I always wondered if the cranes had any kind of charts or sensors to warn the operator when he was getting near the danger zone. A sensor would be pretty easy I would think. Anybody know?

    I can’t speak for the regulation, but the mobile cranes I am familiar with actually give you the load and digitized tilt sensors. Actually drove a large “cherry picker” for a summer years ago, which also had them, though it wasn’t exactly “digitized.”

    Obviously, you’re right Pfesser about the leverage, but look what they are using to lift. Those don’t appear to be cables but perhaps heavy nylon slings?

    Maybe Poolman could explain what type of material that is, but I would think a fiberglass pool (or whatever lightweight material they use) would be a fraction of the weight sitting on the back end of that crane. The yard must be much deeper than it appears to me.

    The top of that roof sure made an excellent fulcrum. Would have made an expensive physics experiment. :smile:

  • 369. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 7, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Network wasn’t what I expected, but still good.

  • 370. El Tigre  |  September 7, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Or it could be a conspiracy. Pools don’t just fall out of the sky, and the guy filming obviously knew it was going to happen in advance. Why else would he be there with a cameral pointed right at it? :roll:

  • 371. El Tigre  |  September 7, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Huck, although Rutherford has forever changed the definition of the word, in my opinion this scene was “masterful.”

  • 372. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 7, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Yeah that scene and some others reminded me of some of the stuff we talk about here.

    I’d say we haven’t come very far in 35 years, but that isn’t true. There is another scene where a guy is ranting about how we get everything from the television. I would submit that the computer has now replaced the TV in that man’s rant.

    Shooter is DVD only. Next in my queue is Dog Day Afternoon.

    This is fun!

  • 373. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 7, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    This rant…

  • 374. an800lbgorilla  |  September 7, 2011 at 12:18 pm

  • 375. poolman  |  September 7, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Funny :lol: That’s the last time we deliver with water in them!

    Obviously, the crane operator’s fault. Amateur! A bigger crane or counter weight was definitely needed. Where are the hardhats? OSHA would have shut that operation down. The crane company probably didn’t know their guy was doing a little side work.

    These cranes ARE equipped with sensors. I have worked with many in the past. The operators are safe to the point of extreme. These rigs have to pass rigorous inspections. I have NEVER seen one on a driveway.

    The video is pretty damning evidence, eh prosecutor?

  • 376. Tex Taylor  |  September 7, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Dog Day Afternoon

    Marginal. Watched it a few weeks back.

  • 377. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 7, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    I’ve seen it before a while back, but I figured I would give it another go with fresh eyes.

  • 378. PFesser  |  September 7, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    re: slings. Yep, nylon “chokers.” Extremely strong and stretches a little to absorb shock loads. The climbers use nylon “Perlon,” I think it’s called, because you can fall a pretty good distance and the rope will catch you without killing you. You may need a new set of teeth though.

    I use a nylon snatch strap in my F250 in the winter. Having grown up in WV, it’s sport to go out on a snowy day and pull the flatlanders out of the ditch. Gotta watch those sonsofbitches, though – (the nylon sob, not the flatlander) – although the stretchiness lets you get a little running start without jerking your neck out of joint, they store a lot of energy. My brother and I were using it to pull a utility wagon out of the mud down on the farm and the link we were hooked to broke. That steel hook went shooting forward and broke a cast-iron lever on the tractor right behind my brother’s foot, and still injured his ankle. If that thing hadn’t been there it would have broken his ankle. Lesson learned. Chains ain’t always the low-tech way to go.

    Thanks for the info, poolman – I figured being a crane operator was a VERY big deal, since the possibility to injure someone else is so high. I had a high-school friend who put one into high tension lines and when the fire started flying, he lost his nerve and jumped off. They say the arc jumped two feet. Killed him. Ross Brock. Good man.

  • 379. poolman  |  September 7, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Those “slings” are industry standard. We even use them in conjunction with steel cables in concert venues to hang trusses and sound equipment.

    http://www.spanset-usa.com/lifting-land.cfm

    It’s a good thing that house wasn’t a steel structure. That kinetic energy would have pulverized it. :grin:

  • 380. El Tigre  |  September 7, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    “That’s the last time we deliver with water in them!”

    Water? I thought Rosie O’Donnell said something about hot-tubbin’ with Chaz Bono right before the crane lifted off. . .

  • 381. Tex Taylor  |  September 7, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    It’s a good thing that house wasn’t a steel structure. That kinetic energy would have pulverized it.

    One thing for sure. Had that been a steel structure “fulcrum”, that crane operator wouldn’t have been crawling out of the cab. He’d probably have been hanging about 15 feet off the ground. :smile:

    I thought about this later. Can you imagine what probably just happened to the driveway underneath? I’ve never understood why they don’t pour the driveway last in new construction. I’ve seen them pour the driveway the same time they pour the slab, then the roofing company come with their own crane about a week later, back up on the newly poured concrete, and crack it in about 20 places. :roll:

    What are those pools constructed off Poolman. Are those fiberglass? Or some composition? Obviously, they are much heavier than I thought.

  • 382. PFesser  |  September 7, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Shit – one more tale and then I *have* to get to work:

    My wife’s uncle worked for Monongalia Power in northern WV many years ago. They had to set some poles in an “environmentally sensitive” area and couldn’t come in by truck.

    They had a helicopter but no pilot so they ordered one from a division in – you guessed it – Texas.

    Larry went to pick the guy up at the local airport in Morgantown. He said he knew they were in trouble immediately. The pilot was about five feet two inches tall, had a big hat, big belt buckle and cowboy boots.

    They picked up the chopper and flew over to the pole yard, where they picked up an 80-footer and flew immediately to the construction site.

    As they were lowering the pole into the hole, Larry said the whole world turned a brilliant green, with leaves, sticks and shit flying all around them like angry bees.

    The pilot never turned a hair. He just went back up and headed back to the pole yard, carrying the pole with them. Larry was trying to clean the dung out of his pants when the guy, still looking forward through the windscreen, simply said, “Hmmmph. Choker too short.” He had picked up a strap that was too short and had lowered the helicopter down into the treetops when he went to set the pole.

    Larry said he was a nervous wreck before, but after that, he was terrified. They picked up a longer choker, same pole, and set it no problem. Reflecting later, he said the pilot was excellent but that tree-limb stuff caused him to lose about ten years off his life.

  • 383. poolman  |  September 7, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    That one IS a fiberglass construction pool and spa, likely with steel ribs. It isn’t even a big one! I have only done a couple fiberglass pool installs, but many hundreds of spas, primarily when I was in Texas. Most of the time we walk those through the gate.

    These materials don’t hold up well in the sun out here in Arizona. Anything above water oxidizes pretty darn quick.

    Most home builders DO pour driveways last. Generally just before COE and occupancy. We don’t take any heavy equipment over sidewalks or driveways, unless the homeowner signs a waiver. I have been in those meetings regarding whose fault the cracked concrete was, generally way after the fact.

    I photo document everything I do. Before, during, after. Looking back, I don’t know how I managed to survive without my digital camera.

  • 384. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 7, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    So let me get this straight…..

    It is not only disrespectful to voice opposition to Obama, now it is disrespectful not to voice opposition to Obama?

  • 385. Tex Taylor  |  September 7, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    is not only disrespectful to voice opposition to Obama, now it is disrespectful not to voice opposition to Obama?

    :lol: Afraid so. The only type of respect permitted is bending the knee and kissing the ring.

    Here’s another. President Flip Flop – Uncle Warren and Sista Oprah must have whispered in his ear about his dissing corporate tax breaks for jets.

    http://thevimh.blogspot.com/2011/09/old-and-busted-end-tax-breaks-for.html

  • 386. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 7, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    I suspect Rutherford is so silent because he is working on the post to blame the fiery rhetoric of the left this weekend for the shootings yesterday.

    After all, everyone knows Republicans are war hawks who have unyielding support for the military. Everyone also knows that it is the National Guard that would be tasked with knocking down any organized insurrection that tried to “take out” any faction within the federal government.

    So if one were incited by the call to “take out sons of bitches” in order to fight off “the barbarians” and “take back America,” who better to target first than the folks that would be called to respond to that threat?

    Rutherford has surely made this same connection, as he is so in tune with dog whistles and the ways they incite people to violence.

    I anxiously await the post I am sure is coming.

  • 387. poolman  |  September 7, 2011 at 3:27 pm

  • 388. Tex Taylor  |  September 7, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Huck,

    Here’s a bet. Rutherford will wait until after the Republican debate and critique that. Next post

    Whoever he mocks the most, that’s the one that won the debate and who he feels most threatened by to defeat President Investment.

  • 389. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 7, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Well then surely the NY Times and WaPo are working on that story, right?

    I just cannot believe that those who raised such a stink about violent political rhetoric and a shooting that had nothing to do with it aren’t giving this story the same level of ridiculousness.

  • 390. poolman  |  September 7, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Drone, in its varied definitions, describes us today. Humanity has obviously peaked and we’re on the downward slope. Much ado about nothing. Stewart usually picks up on the stupid and makes his commentary. Funny and pathetic, really.

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-6-2011/tales-of-manufactured-conflict—speechgate

  • 391. Rutherford  |  September 7, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Interesting article on how Congress has changed for the worse over the years:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/06/opinion/the-last-moderate.html

  • 392. Rutherford  |  September 7, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Just what the doctor ordered, my two favorite media personalities Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter yukking it up. Thanks Gorilla. I owe you one. :neutral:

    P.S. I thought Ann had more courage …. she just can’t say out loud that Palin is a twit.

  • 393. Rutherford  |  September 7, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Gorilla has got a pretty good article up at his place.

    Pure garbage not up to G’s usual standard. I’ve been a bit under the weather today but I will post a comment over there as soon as I can.

    Need to save my energy for the debate tonight!

  • 394. Rutherford  |  September 7, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    although I know you’ll do your damndest to distinguish or justify it rather than turn the mirror on your heroes at your favorite propaganda machine, MSNBC

    On the contrary, I was aghast watching Katrina vanden Heuvel this morning on Morning Joe try to make Hoffa’s comments somehow different from Palin’s cross-hairs. A little Katrina has always gone a long way with me but today I lost what little respect I still had for her. Her hypocrisy nearly broke my TV screen.

  • 395. Rutherford  |  September 7, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Network wasn’t what I expected, but still good.

    If you didn’t see Glenn Beck in Howard Beale you were snoozing. As I recall, the premise was that Beale’s insanity was exploited. Sadly, the same was probably true of Beck.

  • 396. Rutherford  |  September 7, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Regarding Tigre’s Network excerpt, I forgot that Ned Beatty was THAT good!

  • 397. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 7, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    “If you didn’t see Glenn Beck in Howard Beale you were snoozing.”

    I did think of Beck and Rush. I also thought of Olby. Interesting that you didn’t.

  • 398. Tex Taylor  |  September 7, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Interesting article on how Congress has changed for the worse over the years:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/06/opinion/the-last-moderate.html

    Absolutely worthless article from the New York Times. This compromise bullshit is what has gotten us in the position we are in. We comprised on the deficit and more government to the point of national bankruptcy.

    Face it Rutherford – we have two opposing views. Either your big government solutions are right, or my small government positions are right. Either the federal government can produce jobs and real worth more effectively than the private sector, or it can’t. Either immigrants crossing the border without permission are here illegally or there is no such thing as illegal immigration. Either Iran has the right to obtain a nuclear bomb or it doesn’t. Either each American is entitled to cradle to grave entitlements like healthcare, or they are individually responsible for their pursuit of life and happiness.

    You want federal government patterned after Western Europe. I want a federal government patterned after 1787 – as small and weak as possible.

    Compromise is for losers. We never get a good solution with compromise. Let the best man win. But let’s burn out in the process. We are slowly fading away with compromise into mediocrity.

  • 399. Tex Taylor  |  September 7, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2c4_1315345357

    How true…I actually like Herman Cain, and he is a thousand times more appealing than President Zero.

  • 400. El Tigre  |  September 7, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    “I thought Ann had more courage …. she just can’t say out loud that Palin is a twit.”

    I thought what she said was much harsher than “twit” or even twat?

    R, get to feeling better.

    p.s. Fantastic scene, isn’t it? Beatty was. . . masterful. The lighting, camera angle, intensity. Beatty played “God” perfectly. That stuck with me for a long time after I first saw it.

  • 401. El Tigre  |  September 7, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    I’ve lost interest in the debate. Why do I ever think I’ll learn something from these?

    here’s my heavy analysis:

    Bachman? I’d hit that.

    Perry has an effective presence. Still can’t get a bead on him.

    Romney? Same as he’s ever been. But he’s playing his hand right. He just doesn’t have a good hand. Mulligan? Yep. He said mulligan.

    Cain? A black conservative can’t win. So he blends into the background.

    Paul? He got Poolman’s endorsement. That’s all I need to know. He’s out.

    Hunstman? Pussy.

    Newt? Who’s financing that losing campaign? Sheesh.

    I miss Reagan. I really do.

  • 402. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 7, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    “Paul? He got Poolman’s endorsement. That’s all I need to know. He’s out.”

    My endorsement doesn’t at least neutralize his?

    Damn…..

  • 403. Tex Taylor  |  September 7, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Paul? He got Poolman’s endorsement. That’s all I need to know. He’s out.

    Hunstman? Pussy.

    :lol: That was too good. Frickin Huntsman is a big cap and tax proponent. A moron – he’s out.

    Come on Huck – you’ve always been a straight shooter. Even if Paul were the best candidate ever, you got to admit it gives you some pause thinking you’ve joined ranks with The Poolman. :wink:

    Do you know I was going to watch that tonight and didn’t know it was a single channel debate I guess? Pisses me off at myself for not checking. I thought maybe I had misunderstood and it was next week. And I ain’t watching Chaz Maddow run down the count, because everyone knows that synopsis will be utter and complete bullshit and lies. It is without doubt dishonest hack on TV.

    Between Chaz and Sargent Schultz, the dumbest hack on TV, BSNBC is starting to resemble Laugh In.

  • 404. Tex Taylor  |  September 7, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    San Diego police say a suspect, dressed up as Gumby, tried to rob a 7-Eleven on Labor Day.

    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/09/07/gumby-botches-robbery-of-san-diego-7-eleven/
    :lol: :lol: What? No Pokey accomplice? No wonder the robbery was botched.

    ——–

    Quick story and I’m out. I once helped my friend, who got stiffed when a company filled bankruptcy and owed him a month’s pay, who decided to “borrow” a paper cutter as partial payment for the stiff – dumb asses never took the key from him to the office complex.

    Even in 1978, the place had surveillance cameras for security which of course, he knew exactly where the cameras were. So to hide our persons, we wore these space alien masks, complete with bouncing eye antennae, and mooned the camera for amusement upon leaving.

    I always wondered what going through security’s head when they viewed the video.

    I could write a damn funny book with all the juvenile shit we did through high school and early college – this guy’s creativity for crime is off the charts.

  • 405. poolman  |  September 7, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    I take back that I ever said Bachmann was smart. If I hit her, it wouldn’t have anything to do with sex.

    Huntsman is too nice and a definite pussy.

    Newt. Well he’s still a Newt. Every time I think he sounds smart he pulls out a booger and eats it. I thought he had bailed. WTF??

    Perry wasn’t ready for prime time. Science denier. Social Security a ponzi scheme? Sheesh!

    Cain doesn’t stand a chance, even if he has some good points.

    Santorum is still in this? Why? Seriously.

    Romney looked good and solid. Slick and in control. There’s your front runner.

    I’m still for Ron Paul. Everyone is still basically ignoring him. He’s the only one that’s real and consistent, therefore not much of a politician.

    Ronald Reagan idolization keeps growing and growing. I was a voting adult throughout his presidency. This “good old days of Reagan” mentality just doesn’t fit the reality. His policies accelerated our downfall. Childhood fantasies rarely follow fact.

  • 406. poolman  |  September 7, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Okay, I putting all my support behind Romney. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Romney’s got my vote. :wink:

  • 407. Tex Taylor  |  September 7, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    Ronald Reagan idolization keeps growing and growing. I was a voting adult throughout his presidency. This “good old days of Reagan” mentality just doesn’t fit the reality. His policies accelerated our downfall. Childhood fantasies rarely follow fact.

    But see, even then you were still the Poolman and a younger, less useful idiot than you are now. You voted for Obama – enough said.

    Reagan’s policies created $17 trillion of net worth, and he came within 3,000 votes of winning every state in his reelection. No wonder you were against him. Therefore, your cognitive abilities were rendered moot even at a younger age.

    Perry is science denier? Then I’m a science denier too, as I believe AGW the biggest farce ever foisted on the ignorant American public. I also believe using a theory that has failed time and again when hypothesized under the guise of “someday we will explain it all” and not examined in its entirety and without rational skepticism, an indicator of why public education is a disaster and dismal failure.

    You read like the young man Chaz Maddow, parroting her stupid shit.

  • 408. dead rabbit  |  September 8, 2011 at 12:06 am

    Ron Paul’s foreign policy would create world anarchy.

    Except for that uh….minor issue, I’d vote for him too.

    Hucking, looks like you joined the legions of those college kids you mocked only 8 months ago.

    Down with the Fed!

    None of these slicksters and odd balls get the coveted Rabbit endorsement, yet.

    I’d rather vote for some of you guys, to be honest.
    —————————————–
    I’m not getting enough sleep.

    I wake up at 4. Play basket ball from 5 to 630. Teach 5 classes of 40 kids, 15 in every class autistic or opposition defiant.

    Come home and watch my son for a couple hours. Lift weights, go play two games of softball, stay up until 1 or 2 trying to figure out my next Wallstreet hustle.

    I’ve been eating like shit.

    This can’t be sustained.

  • 409. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 8, 2011 at 12:34 am

    “Hucking, looks like you joined the legions of those college kids you mocked only 8 months ago.”

    Not hardly. They all voted Obama. There were VERY few Paulians at my school in ’08.

    “Ron Paul’s foreign policy would create world anarchy.”

    So you believe our current FP to be sustainable in the long term?

    If we keep up the way we are going, your son won’t have to worry about his wallet that today’s liberals keep attacking because he will be sent to some far away land fighting another war.

    Ron Paul seems to be the only student of modern history in the whole bunch.

  • 410. poolman  |  September 8, 2011 at 12:40 am

    I voted for Ronnie, too. Turns out his policies were bad for the country. Unfortunately it takes time to see the results of his policies. Looking back, he was a nice guy, but a terrible president. You GOP folks need your idols, I know.

    Perry denies science when it’s convenient. I don’t agree with the climate change folks, as I’ve said in the past. Man-made global warming gives man too much credit. If anything we are on the verge of a mini ice age.

    And yes, ONCE AGAIN. I VOTED for Obama. Get over it. You voted for McCain. Loser.

  • 411. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 8, 2011 at 2:26 am

    “And yes, ONCE AGAIN. I VOTED for Obama. Get over it. You voted for McCain. Loser.”

    The difference is…with his vote, only he lost. With your vote, we all lost.

  • 412. poolman  |  September 8, 2011 at 2:33 am

    Since politics is be all and end all, which American player personally do you think had the most influence in directing this country where it is today? Be honest, if you can.

    George Herbert Walker Bush

    Dick Cheney

    Lyndon Johnson

    Bill Clinton

    Ronald Reagan

    Richard Nixon

    George W. Bush

    Jimmy Carter

    Gerald Ford

    John F Kennedy

    Barack Obama

    ___________________________________________

    *I list them in order of influence from my best guess.

    Cheney is the only one that didn’t headline the executive. We didn’t vote for him. I really thought at first he was most influential, but HW kept popping back up. He was the best connected.

    Cheney had five draft deferments. That just seems, well, chicken shit, for being such a warmonger. I have a hard time loving Cheney, I must admit.

    I’d give Reagan a boost, but really he was just an actor.

    W was pretty much played, too.

    The rest might shift up or down. I think the path of the nation has been the same, regardless of POTUS. Going against the agenda didn’t bode well for those that tried. New World Order, folks. Like it or not, that’s the path we’ve been going down. And it is, down hill.

    I really don’t give Obama the influential credit most of you do. You would rather see him as a liar and bent on destroying the US. I know, I know. You guys need targets to attack. Someone to blame. But where does the buck actually stop? Does the term “scapegoat” jar any mental picture, or is that just another Jewish fable?

    Or does the charismatic multiracial centrist politician fit your demon role? Does it help make you feel better to beat him up verbally. This IS the job he signed on for, after all. Political punching bag, aka star player of the puppet show. Kick ‘em when they’re up, kick ‘em when they’re down. Kick ‘em when they’re up, kick ‘em all around.

  • 413. poolman  |  September 8, 2011 at 2:56 am

    Huck, I’m sure you are keeping up with the UN in regard to establishing a Palestinian state. I think we (the US) are the only obstacle and will likely nix it, right? It just doesn’t seem to be anything the MSM is covering. But then, I quit watching the MSM for the most part, so I could have missed it.

    What are your thoughts on the establishment of a Palestinian State?
    Do you think they stand a chance?
    This article outlines the arguments used against it.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/07/the-desperation-of-the-fool/

  • 414. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 8, 2011 at 3:31 am

    My short answer is, I don’t think the chances are good in Sept.

    Abbas is addressing the General Assembly, and could get majority support there. But the Security Council veto(s) will keep them out of the UN for now. The only chance is to use the GA as a stage to address the collective nations of the world and see which one of them comes away deciding to recognize the Palestinian state. If enough do, full UN membership might come another time.

    Fatah and Hamas reconciliation has ended up being a joke. Hamas knows it would lose power in another round of elections, so it wants to wait until after the Sept. UN visit. Of course, no elections combined with Hamas still in power will be a deal killer for some as far as recognizing a Palestinian state right now.

    I’d like to see the Palestinians get their shit together to give statehood a run. I’d like to see them given a fair shot at it. But there are still too many sticking points. The right of return and Jerusalem not being the least. They need to get real about what is and is not feasible and stop with the all-or-nothing that they’ve gone with for too long.

    But ultimately I don’t think Abbas is going to get 97 or more states to stand up for him at the UN. Too many things that needed to happen didn’t.

  • 415. an800lbgorilla  |  September 8, 2011 at 5:25 am

    Pure garbage not up to G’s usual standard. I’ve been a bit under the weather today but I will post a comment over there as soon as I can. ” – R

    Yawn, I’ve heard this line before. All I’ll say at this point is, we’ll see…

  • 416. an800lbgorilla  |  September 8, 2011 at 5:42 am

    Ron Paul seems to be the only student of modern history in the whole bunch.

    Whose history? The man’s an anarchist, which isn’t an answer to anything.

    I think you put way to much in Iraq and Afghanistan being some new status quo. That train is about to pull back into the station…

  • 417. pfesser53  |  September 8, 2011 at 5:53 am

    “Whose history? The man’s an anarchist, which isn’t an answer to anything.”

    He’s only an anarchist if you consider following the U.S. Constitutiion as anarchy. It seems to me this country did right well until it stopped doing that. Maybe we should take a look at doing it again.

  • 418. Pfesser  |  September 8, 2011 at 7:15 am

    I personally find Paul’s stand on abortion to be inconsistent, but he’s an OB and that’s his opinion. If you take a few minutes and listen to him – really listen, with an open mind – I think you will like what he has to say. Even if he is 20% off – which I don’t believe he is – he is head and shoulders above the rest. He has a clear understanding of history – and of the socialist model and how it has failed miserably everywhere it has been tried.

    I challenge *anyone* to listen to him and come away with any conclusion other than that he is miles ahead of the next presidential contender.

  • 419. an800lbgorilla  |  September 8, 2011 at 7:21 am

    Where, pray tell, is foreign policy anarchy etched into the Constitution?

  • 420. an800lbgorilla  |  September 8, 2011 at 7:44 am

    An Arkansas weatherman didn’t predict he would wake up in a hot tub with a naked dead man, but that’s exactly what police say happened.

    Now authorities are trying to determine what killed Dexter Williams, whose body was found with a “dog collar” around his neck, according to a police report.

    The mystery began Monday night, when KARK 4 News meteorologist Brett Cummins arrived at the home of John Barbour around 11 p.m. in Maumelle, just north of Little Rock, the report stated. The 33-year-old weatherman brought Williams, 24, with him. Barbour said he did not know the doomed man.

    “They then began to drink and use illegal narcotics,” Officer Gregory Roussie said Barbour told him. “Mr. Barbour stated he was not sure of the drugs that they were using but that they were snorting them.”

    About two hours later, Cummins and Williams went into the Jacuzzi to have a drink, and Barbour later joined them, police said. Shortly afterwards, Barbour said he left the two and went into the living room, where he fell asleep on the couch.

    Barbour told police he awoke about 8 a.m. Tuesday and could hear Cummins snoring in the hot tub, the report said. He proceeded to gather glasses in the bathroom and wake up Cummins before realizing Williams was dead.

    “Dexter’s head was lying behind Brett’s left shoulder,” Barbour told police, according to the report. “After Brett awoke they discovered that Dexter was not conscious and his face was a different color.”

    The meteorologist was horrified, the report indicated.

    “Brett screamed and became ill and left the bathroom and vomited on the carpet in the living room,” Barbour told police, according to the report. The weatherman then left the house, but insisted he would return.

    “Cummins did return to the residence and gave a statement to investigators,” Roussie said in the report. No details of what he said have been released.

    When police arrived they observed Williams “lying on his right side in a fetal position, his face was blue and purple in color with a chain around his neck,” Roussie said in the report. “The chain was silver in color and consistent with what I believed to be a dog collar.”

    He also noted that he “observed a small ring of blood around the bottom of the tub.”

    An autopsy is underway to determine what killed Williams, but so far no charges have been filed in his death.

    KARK 4 News stated online Tuesday that “Brett will not be on the air as he is mourning the loss of his friend.”

    A plethora of comments flooded my brain as I read this, most of which inappropriate. Leaving the naked-drugged-up-men-in-a-hot-tub aside, how in the hell can the news room say he’ll be gone out of mourning and not fired for illegal drug use?

  • 421. PFesser  |  September 8, 2011 at 8:07 am

    “Where, pray tell, is foreign policy anarchy etched into the Constitution?

    I will flout common courtesy for a minute and turn the question around: Where, pray tell, is foreign policy anarchy etched into Ron Paul’s policy?

    Once *you* have established that allegation, then we can answer YOUR question.

  • 422. an800lbgorilla  |  September 8, 2011 at 9:00 am

    He’s an isolationist who wants to cut off all foreign aid and pull all US forces away from foreign bases. He promotes a policy of rabid non-intervention and is against any mutual defense treaty.

    Now, these things push an international environment into a state of anarchy, greatly diminishes and harms US interests and forces us repeatedly into positions where we are unprepared for international crisis.

    Your turn…

  • 423. Tex Taylor  |  September 8, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Ron Paul isn’t the worst of the candidates, but his shortcomings are glaring.

    Paul believes Iran has its own right to development a nuclear bomb.

    Paul is an isolationist, about on par with those fascist sympathizers of the 30′s – the Neville Chamberlain of American politics. Anti interventionism is naive is hell and immediately discounts Paul in my book. I feel strongly that like Poolman, Paul is a Jew hater and is always quick to throw around the term “neo conservative” – code for closet Jew hater, open Israeli hater.

    While Paul is right to criticize the Fed’s monetary policies, he’s wrong about readopting a gold standard. What are we going to do? Start mining? Or reduce the aggregate economy by 90% while we wait for new veins to appear?

    In conversation I’ve witnessed, Paul is nothing but a curmudgeon and punk – impolite and aloof, a smart ass by nature, and certainly not endearing. I don’t want pandering and glad handing, appreciate sincerity, but I do want somebody that reflects polite and courteous – Paul is neither.

    Finally, Paul is like fresh dog shit to the Poolman maggot type. Troofers, dopers, anarchists – the countries prime douche bags, and on par with the craziest of libs. Another huge red flag for me.

    ——–

    However, I like Paul’s stances on limited government and abortion. He stands zero chance of winning and will be out of the race within a few weeks or months.

    Paul is infinitely better than Obama… :smile: But then, Lindsay Lohan is infinitely better than Obama.

  • 424. Tex Taylor  |  September 8, 2011 at 9:32 am

    A half-century experiment in draping steam­ship anchors around the necks of the productive class and expecting them to run a four-minute mile has ended in failure. The confiscation of rights and property, the moral impoverishment of generations caused by the state’s usurpation of parental obligations, the elevation of a credentialed elite that believes academia’s fashions are a worthy substitute for knowledge of history and human nature, and above all the faith in a weightless cipher whose oratorical panache now consists of looking from one teleprompter screen to the other with the enthusiasm of a man watching someone else’s kids play tennis–it’s over, whether you believe in it or not. It cannot be sustained without reducing everyone to penurious equality, crippling the power of the United States, and subsuming the economy to a no-growth future that rations energy. ~ James Lileks

    Well said and Amen.

  • 425. PFesser  |  September 8, 2011 at 9:47 am

    “He’s an isolationist who wants to cut off all foreign aid and pull all US forces away from foreign bases. He promotes a policy of rabid non-intervention and is against any mutual defense treaty. ”

    You have cites on this? Non-intervention, by the way is not the same as isolationist. Not even close. It is code for “minding your own business” – but trading with everyone – like Switzerland has done since 1511 I believe.

    “Now, these things push an international environment into a state of anarchy”

    Wrong.

    “greatly diminishes and harms US interests”

    Wrong again. It on the contrary strengthens our interests.

    ” and forces us repeatedly into positions where we are unprepared for international crisis.”

    Wrong again. In point of fact it does the opposite by allowing us to husband our forces for when they are really needed instead of squandering them on adventuring, like we are now. History is filled with stories of great nations that destroyed themselves doing exactly what we are doing now.

    Your turn…”

    I disagree.

    All you have done is state your personal feelings; you still haven’t proven your case, so I think it is still YOUR turn.

  • 426. PFesser  |  September 8, 2011 at 9:51 am

    There are how many countries in the world? 170 or so? Who says it is our place to keep order, and who says that by trying to do so we are not making it worse?

    How about minding our own business? That’s NEVER bad policy, and precisely why the Constitution attempts to tie the politicians hands.

    Unfortunately, now they just ignore it. Personally, I’d try them all for treason and hang them on the Mall.

  • 427. Tex Taylor  |  September 8, 2011 at 10:16 am

    How about minding our own business? That’s NEVER bad policy, and precisely why the Constitution attempts to tie the politicians hands.

    Like we did in the 30s with Nazi Germany? Minded our own business then too.

    Iran has called us the ‘Great Satan’, and marched with over 250,000 in the streets calling for “Death to America!” on numerous occasions, which they happily advertise. They’ve kidnapped and murdered our citizens, are a proxy for Hezbollah and Hamas, destroyed Lebanon, provided weaponry that routinely killed our troops in Iraq, and are the world’s number one narco/terrorism state.

    No thanks. I think I’ll take a proactive approach and assist in eliminating the problem before 9/11 looks like a pinprick. Not going to wait around to find out what they plan on doing with their U-235 weapons grade material.

    Paul’s policies would leave us resembling sitting ducks. The genie was out of the bottle 65 years ago. No turning back now.

  • 428. poolman  |  September 8, 2011 at 10:32 am

  • 429. poolman  |  September 8, 2011 at 11:38 am

  • 430. an800lbgorilla  |  September 8, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Before I start this, I don’t appreciate the game. You and the assclown have never presented a sound defense of this guy, probably because you know you can’t. Like I said before, and Tex has said since, the guy has a couple of good ideas- I’m sure Strum Thurmond and Robert Byrd had good ideas too, and yes, I think the comparison to these particular racist appropriate- too, that doesn’t mean they should have been in the Oval Office. To argue that he is not an isolationist flies in the face of pretty much everything he has said. He’s the crazy old man in the woods, cleaning his gunning and shunning the rest of society as he tends his “own gardens” for himself.

    He’s a fool, and you’re a bigger one for buying his bullshit. There’s a reason why kids with no life experience listen to him- they don’t know better yet…

    Q: Does the US have a role to play in ending the genocide in Darfur?

    PAUL: The US government has no authority. There’s no constitutional authority. There’s no moral authority. There’s plenty of moral authority and responsibility for individuals to participate. But every time we get involved, no matter where, for good intentions, believe me, we’re getting involved in a civil war. Even when you send food, it ends up in the hands of the military and they use it as weapons. So it’s not well-intended. We should direct our attention only to national security and not get involved for these feel-good reasons. And this is the main reason why I think we ought to just come home from every place in the world and bring our troops home from Iraq.

    Source: 2007 GOP Presidential Forum at Morgan State University Sep 27, 2007

    This is a position that supports international anarchy, as failed states clearly have an impact. The position that starving people to death is just foolish and internationally unsound. We’ve been fortunate in not needing international assistance very often, but under a foreign policy like this, woe the day we ever do need it.

    Q: I was made a slave during the government of Sudan’s war against black Christians of southern Sudan. I am a slave no longer, but today want to free tens of thousands of my brothers and sisters who remain in chattel slavery in Sudan. Would you today endorse the creation of a commission to monitor the eradication of slavery in Sudan, where the slavery of a man is legal?
    • HUCKABEE: Yes.
    • TANCREDO: Yes.
    • COX: Yes.
    • BROWNBACK: Yes.
    • PAUL: No.
    • HUNTER: Yes.
    • KEYES: Yes.

    Source: 2007 GOP Values Voter Presidential Debate Sep 17, 2007

    Human trafficking is one of the primary criminal activities exploited by terrorist organizations in the facilitation of extremist operatives around the world. Ignoring these environs that support this is fool-hardy and just plane disgusting. I have no doubt that Paul knew and supported that”statement” that went out under his name.

    A policy of strategic independence is far better than international entanglements. Those who advocate the traditional policy of nonintervention are ridiculed as isolationists by the authoritarians who want the US to decide all disputes. Yet it’s their interventionist policies, especially in the last six years, that have isolated us, reduced our allies, and increased our enemies.

    A republic that remains neutral in foreign affairs would not dispense foreign aid. It would seek diplomatic solutions to international disputes. No direct subsidies would be given to other governments, politicians, or factions involved in internal disputes abroad, and there would be no subsidized loans. There would be no sanctions or blockades placed on other countries, unless war was declared. There would be no threats to have our way in foreign affairs. There would be no treaties promising to commit later generations to war. There would be no CIA coups to overthrow governments.

    Source: A Foreign Policy of Freedom, by Ron Paul, p.369 Jun 15, 2007

    Again, this is a head-in-the-sand approach to addressing threats. The only thing preventing Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon right now is US sanctions, and if you think it would be a good idea for Iran to have the bomb, well, I’d suggest you put the pipe down.

    Throughout the 20th century, the US has steadily drifted from the traditional policy of nonintervention, neutrality, and independence to one of interventionism in the internal affairs of other nations, covert foreign activity, and broad international commitments.

    This dramatic shift in policy, one of the major US blunders of this century, is responsible for all of our overseas military conflicts of the past eight decades, which have resulted in more than 650,000 Americans killed and 1,130,000 Americans wounded. The last two major conflicts, Korea and Vietnam, were fought without a formal declaration of war. In modern language, they were “police actions.” Since war was not declared, there was no commitment to win. Clearly the efforts proved futile, serving only to tear at the seams of American society.

    Policy shifts have since occurred, but reassessment of the overall foreign intervention policy has not taken place. Reassessment must occur if the senseless killing is to be stopped.

    Source: Freedom Under Siege, by Ron Paul, p. 41 Dec 31, 1987

    Under this policy, the Soviets would have won the Cold War and most of the world would be under a totalitarian boot. Not to mention that when that communist juggernaught failed, which it would have regardless, instead of one East Germany trying to rebuild, we would have had continents (like South America) in the exact same position.

    The argument can be made for the Declaration of War, fine, but that’s not his point. His point is one centered on isolationism and the abandonment of international allies.

    Officially, getting openly involved in the internal affairs of other nations is always at the host country’s request. Those interfering claim they do so by popular support, but the people are never consulted. Our foreign aid goes either to fascist or socialist nations, benefiting the rulers by solidifying their power and impeding the development of a free society and a free-market economy.

    The outcome of even the best-motivated assistance is usually the opposite of that which was intended. When economic assistance is sent to other nations with the intention of helping the poor, the poor receive a small fraction of what is sent. But the worst part of all this is that the assistance perpetuates the entire system that causes the impoverishment in the first place and makes it more difficult than ever for the people of that country to achieve more liberty.

    Source: Freedom Under Siege, by Ron Paul, p. 56 Dec 31, 1987

    This is just plain wrong. It is clear that Paul is some Coast-to-Coast conspiracy whack job with little understanding of how conflict environments development, or reverse. Letting the people of Darfur suck it up isn’t going to institute democracy or free market principles. It creates a failed state with a black/grey market that is not conducive to trade or dialogue.

  • 431. Hucking Fypocrites  |  September 8, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    “I think you put way to much in Iraq and Afghanistan being some new status quo. That train is about to pull back into the station…”

    And I think you are forgetting a history of meddling in other people’s business well before we ever went into those countries. Judging from the comments here, that train won’t be leaving the station any time soon.

    “This is a position that supports international anarchy, as failed states clearly have an impact.”

    Yeah our food and effort sure went far in keeping Somalis fed and their state from failing, didn’t it?

    “I have no doubt that Paul knew and supported that”statement” that went out under his name.”

    Andrew Sullivan and Rutherford have no doubt that Sarah Palin didn’t give birth to her last child, too. But, like you, they don’t have a bit of proof to actually support their opinion.

    “and if you think it would be a good idea for Iran to have the bomb, well, I’d suggest you put the pipe down.”

    And I suggest that if you don’t know the difference between thinking something is “a negligible threat” and “a good idea” you get out of your current line of work.

    “Letting the people of Darfur suck it up isn’t going to institute democracy or free market principles. It creates a failed state with a black/grey market that is not conducive to trade or dialogue.”

    Who the hell ever said it is our responsibility to institute democracy and free trade throughout the world?

    You neocons might have convinced Obama that it is, but not me. We are not the world’s policeman. We can’t afford it, and the world pays shit for our services.

    “No thanks. I think I’ll take a proactive approach and assist in eliminating the problem before 9/11 looks like a pinprick. Not going to wait around to find out what they plan on doing with their U-235 weapons grade material.”

    I don’t think there is a one of you who listens to Ron Paul. He has said countless times, “Let Israel deal with Iran like they did Iraq and Syria.” I agree. Iran’s bomb won’t threaten us. So let those it would threaten deal with the threat.

    As usual, the unyielding support of Israel is clouding judgement.

  • 432. Rutherford  |  September 8, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Marginal

    Is anyone surprised that Tex wouldn’t cotton to the story of a guy robbing a bank to pay for his friend’s sex change operation? LOL

    Attica, Attica, Attica!!!!

  • 433. poolman  |  September 8, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Forget Romney. If Magilla is that vehemently opposed to Paul, he must be the best candidate. A royal threat to the status quo.

    What good have we accomplished to date in Darfur with our Foreign Policy? Or anywhere, for that matter? Show me an example.

    I really love the “institute democracy or free market principles” line. :grin: How does that fit with your claim in a previous thread that we aren’t tasked to nation build?

    Yeah, let’s talk about Germany.

    The reunified German nation, considered a modern European democracy, has no constitution other than the temporary Basic Law (Grundgesetz) originally written in 1948, under the guidance of the U.S. military occupation forces and originally meant only to apply to the western parts of Germany under U.S. control.

    The Basic Law was removed at the request of former Secretary of State James Baker at a Paris conference of the Allied powers and the two former German states on July 17, 1990. The two German states were legally abolished at this conference. As a result of these changes, the Basic Law does not legally apply to the reunified German state, according to some legal experts.

  • 434. PFesser  |  September 8, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    Q: Does the US have a role to play in ending the genocide in Darfur?

    PAUL: The US government has no authority. There’s no constitutional authority. There’s no moral authority. There’s plenty of moral authority and responsibility for individuals to participate. But every time we get involved, no matter where, for good intentions, believe me, we’re getting involved in a civil war. Even when you send food, it ends up in the hands of the military and they use it as weapons. So it’s not well-intended. We should direct our attention only to national security and not get involved for these feel-good reasons. And this is the main reason why I think we ought to just come home from every place in the world and bring our troops home from Iraq.

    HOORAH!

    “This is a position that supports international anarchy, as failed states clearly have an impact.”

    Giving aid to terrorists – which is where nearly all the food aid goes – often the food is sold for weapons – doesn’t seem to me to be a good use of my money. I submit that that kind of action leads to international anarchy, fueled by our own hand.

    The position that starving people to death is just foolish and internationally unsound. We’ve been fortunate in not needing international assistance very often, but under a foreign policy like this, woe the day we ever do need it.”

    I thought you took the position that capitalism was such a superior form of government that those who practice it would never need help. (I happen to agree, BTW.) It is soooooooooo…tempting to meddle. Sooooooo tempting. But it always bites you in the ass.

  • 435. PFesser  |  September 8, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    I don’t have a source right now, but there was a news article on the radio a couple of days ago, which basically said that research shows that if you give international aid directly to women, 95% goes into reinvestment in local businesses such as bakeries and clothing factories. If you give it to the men, more than half goes to buy weapons and prostitutes.

    Let me see if I can find that. Maybe our problem is that our aid is going to the wrong people.

  • 436. an800lbgorilla  |  September 8, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    “I think you put way to much in Iraq and Afghanistan being some new status quo. That train is about to pull back into the station…”

    And I think you are forgetting a history of meddling in other people’s business well before we ever went into those countries. Judging from the comments here, that train won’t be leaving the station any time soon.

    Explain meddling.

    “This is a position that supports international anarchy, as failed states clearly have an impact.”

    Yeah our food and effort sure went far in keeping Somalis fed and their state from failing, didn’t it?

    My, my, my, how vacant an argument. You and I both know that there is no international action by itself that works 100%. Do you really think there was an approach towards effectively dealing with the Somali problem. I’d respect you more if you just said, “if we’re going to get involved, then we get totally involved to ensure success, rather than half-ass our way through it.”

    “I have no doubt that Paul knew and supported that ”statement” that went out under his name.”

    Andrew Sullivan and Rutherford have no doubt that Sarah Palin didn’t give birth to her last child, too. But, like you, they don’t have a bit of proof to actually support their opinion.

    Other than a document with his name on it. Tell me, which is more likely, some conspiracy that racist commentary was secretly distributed without his knowledge, or that he said something he believed and it wasn’t so nice? Really Huck, who is reaching for straws on this one?

    “and if you think it would be a good idea for Iran to have the bomb, well, I’d suggest you put the pipe down.”

    And I suggest that if you don’t know the difference between thinking something is “a negligible threat” and “a good idea” you get out of your current line of work.

    If you think a nuclear armed Iran is a “negligible threat” than I’d say foreign policy and international relations ain’t your balliwick. Hmmmm, a mahdist who believes he can initiate the second coming through global conflict… armed with a nuclear bomb… in a faith that embraces the premise of martyrdom…

    Sure, there’s nothing that could go wrong with this at all…

    “Letting the people of Darfur suck it up isn’t going to institute democracy or free market principles. It creates a failed state with a black/grey market that is not conducive to trade or dialogue.”

    Who the hell ever said it is our responsibility to institute democracy and free trade throughout the world?

    You neocons might have convinced Obama that it is, but not me. We are not the world’s policeman. We can’t afford it, and the world pays shit for our services.

    First off, I’m not a neocon. Not even a little bit.

    Secondly, read what Paul said, “Officially, getting openly involved in the internal affairs of other nations is always at the host country’s request. Those interfering claim they do so by popular support, but the people are never consulted. Our foreign aid goes either to fascist or socialist nations, benefiting the rulers by solidifying their power and impeding the development of a free society and a free-market economy.

    I’m not asking to be the world policeman or to roam around instituting democracy, I specifically responded to the notion that all foreign aid to a distressed area is bad. It is not, and you should know better. There is a corridor in the Pentagon that has a long list of foreign aid efforts that greatly helped the people on the ground. To deny such is just flat out wrong.

    So my point stands, doing nothing is not a smart thing to do, from a national security perspective. As failed states consistently impact the security of the states around them, and the global community in general.

    “No thanks. I think I’ll take a proactive approach and assist in eliminating the problem before 9/11 looks like a pinprick. Not going to wait around to find out what they plan on doing with their U-235 weapons grade material.”

    I don’t think there is a one of you who listens to Ron Paul. He has said countless times, “Let Israel deal with Iran like they did Iraq and Syria.” I agree. Iran’s bomb won’t threaten us. So let those it would threaten deal with the threat.

    As usual, the unyielding support of Israel is clouding judgement.

    How does that cloud judgement? It is EXACTLY what Paul promotes. It isn’t our problem and as long as it doesn’t DIRECTLY threaten us, who cares. So Tex makes a very valid point, under Paul’s premise of foreign policy, we should sit back and let the states defend themselves. Or not, as best they can.

    It is a primordial foreign policy focused on survival of the fittest. Sounds like a GREAT idea in a nuclear armed world…

  • 437. an800lbgorilla  |  September 8, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Giving aid to terrorists – which is where nearly all the food aid goes – often the food is sold for weapons – doesn’t seem to me to be a good use of my money. I submit that that kind of action leads to international anarchy, fueled by our own hand.

    The position that starving people to death is just foolish and internationally unsound. We’ve been fortunate in not needing international assistance very often, but under a foreign policy like this, woe the day we ever do need it.”

    I thought you took the position that capitalism was such a superior form of government that those who practice it would never need help. (I happen to agree, BTW.) It is soooooooooo…tempting to meddle. Sooooooo tempting. But it always bites you in the ass.

    Are you kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me? From the same one who said this:

    I will flout common courtesy for a minute and turn the question around: Where, pray tell, is foreign policy anarchy etched into Ron Paul’s policy?

    Once *you* have established that allegation, then we can answer YOUR question.

    How absurd are you? OK, defend your allegation. Don’t forget what you said…

  • 438. El Tigre  |  September 8, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    R, were almost at 450,and no new post on Hoffa and Bidden or the “Debate?”

    Come on. Your homework was due yesterday! :lol:

    p.s. Paul ain’t goin’ to be no P-prez, yo. His base, college kids, aren’t going to turn out. He’s got as much chance as Rent is Too Damn High guy (whom I would take over Obama the Genius any day).

  • 439. PFesser  |  September 8, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    “Explain meddling.”

    Involvement of the US govt in matters that are not directly involved in maintaining our own security.

    ‘ “This is a position that supports international anarchy, as failed states clearly have an impact.” ‘

    “Yeah our food and effort sure went far in keeping Somalis fed and their state from failing, didn’t it?”

    My, my, my, how vacant an argument. You and I both know that there is no international action by itself that works 100%. Do you really think there was an approach towards effectively dealing with the Somali problem.”

    That is the key word, isn’t it? “Somali” problem. Not US problem. Why isn’t it an affair for the Russians to solve? How about the Swiss? The French? The Australians? Why is it OUR role to do the heavy lifting while everybody else watches from the sideline? As for working 100%, hell, I’d be a lot more sympathetic to the meddling if it was on the net beneficial rather than damaging.

    ‘ “I have no doubt that Paul knew and supported that ”statement” that went out under his name.” ‘

    “Andrew Sullivan and Rutherford have no doubt that Sarah Palin didn’t give birth to her last child, too. But, like you, they don’t have a bit of proof to actually support their opinion.”

    “Other than a document with his name on it. Tell me, which is more likely, some conspiracy that racist commentary was secretly distributed without his knowledge, or that he said something he believed and it wasn’t so nice? Really Huck, who is reaching for straws on this one?”

    You gotta be kidding. Is this the level of proof we require here in this country? He can’t prove he didn’t do it, and where there’s a little smoke, there’s fire?

    Suppose that, using my contacts in the porn industry, I could get your correct name and address. (I almost certainly can). Suppose that I, not liking you, decided to release some very questionable documents on your behalf. Would you have the same opinion about what constitutes sufficient proof to condemn someone, then, as you do for Dr. Paul?

  • 440. Tex Taylor  |  September 8, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    So let me get this straight. A country kidnaps our citizens, supports Hezbollah, bombed marine barracks with suicide bombers, gives weaponry to Iraq to kill American soldiers during the last war, and routinely marches in the streets of Tehran with scores of thousands chanting “Death to America!”, but…

    I agree. Iran’s bomb won’t threaten us. So let those it would threaten deal with the threat.

    Are we to take your word on that?

    I assume with our clouded judgment of Israel, who by the way has already save the world from three tyrannical regimes with plans to construct nuclear weaponry (Iraq, Syria, and Iran for a time), you have concrete proof for that statement? Or can I ask why if we are safe, they continue to call for the destruction of the ‘Great Satan?’

  • 441. poolman  |  September 8, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    I assume with our clouded judgment of Israel, who by the way has already save the world from three tyrannical regimes with plans to construct nuclear weaponry (Iraq, Syria, and Iran for a time), you have concrete proof for that statement? Or can I ask why if we are safe, they continue to call for the destruction of the ‘Great Satan?’

    Who protects us from Israel? They pretty much have their way with us and own us already. We’re fighting their wars for them, sacrificing our youth.

    You have any proof for the “plans to construct nuclear weaponry”? What if Israel plays by the rules we expect others to. Show us your nukes. Why such a blatant double standard?

    We do look like the Great Satan to the rest of creation. Look around, smell the napalm.

  • 442. PFesser  |  September 8, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    “Andrew Sullivan and Rutherford have no doubt that Sarah Palin didn’t give birth to her last child, too. But, like you, they don’t have a bit of proof to actually support their opinion.”

    “Other than a document with his name on it.”

    If by that you mean a birth certificate, no, they have never produced one. Kind of surprising, isn’t it, considering that the production of a birth certificate would end the controversy completely.

    Bo produced one; why can’t they? My personal guess is that the child IS Sarah’s but was born on a different date than they gave. Best surmise is that he was immediately institutionalized but hauled out as a baby-prop to give SP street cred with the anti-abortionists.

    You notice she hasn’t appeared with this child in several months. Best estimate is that now she doesn’t need him any more as a prop, she’s re-institutionalized him.

  • 443. Tex Taylor  |  September 8, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    We do look like the Great Satan to the rest of creation. Look around, smell the napalm.

    No, we look like the Great Satan to an American hating traitor and Jewish bigot like you, which fortunately is in the small minority, both here and around the world. You speak for no one but your moronic self.

    Let’s go ask Haiti if we look like the Great Satan. Or Cubans who construct boats with tires and paddle across a hundred miles of shark infested waters. Or the Mexicans and South Americans risking life and limb to get here. Let’s ask those Muslims seeking asylum in America if America appears the Great Satan.

    The only weakness with liberty is it gives assholes like you the luxury of hiding behind the First Amendment, free to bad mouth your own great country. In reality, most places on earth would kill you standing for your treachery. What makes it all the more nauseating is a weak minded fool like you would have perished in most of those countries long ago…

    You’re the ninth layer of hell Dante wrote about – the absolute lowest scum on earth. But I’m confident your time is a coming and you are going to be in for a very rude awakening soon Benedict. Well deserved, Dear Judas.

  • 444. Tex Taylor  |  September 8, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Is anyone surprised that Tex wouldn’t cotton to the story of a guy robbing a bank to pay for his friend’s sex change operation? LOL

    Attica, Attica, Attica!!!!

    Oh, you picked up on that. :smile:

    Well, you have to admit it is a strange story line. I really was disappointed. With a cast like that, I thought there might be some enjoyment. I mean, how can you go wrong with Al Pacino and John Cazale, right? Godfather? Every time I watch Chris Sarandon, no matter how hard I try, he’s always going to be vampire. They needed a better queer.

    One of the few movies from NetFlix I couldn’t even get through until the end. Clockwork Orange was another stinker….I thought that was supposed to be some classic? It was rotten.

    If you want to watch something really horrid, watch Malcolm McDowell in ‘Caligula.’ An absolute clunker produced by the Penthouse guy Bob Guccione – you didn’t even get a glimpse of squirrel. All I saw was Caligula prancing around with his wienie bouncing up and down. About choked on my popcorn.

  • 445. poolman  |  September 8, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    Okay Saul, call it whatever you want. How about “The Great Democratic Empire”? Yeah, sounds catchy.

  • 446. Tex Taylor  |  September 8, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    At some level it is comical. We have a 9.1 percent unemployment rate, have spent trillions (between the Bush and Obama administrations) in stimulus money, have near-zero interest rates, and he wants to spend another $300 billion in money we don’t have to “create” jobs.

    In a real sense he comes across as less on top of it than either of the two GOP front-runners. Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Mitt Romney both have a coherent vision (pretty much the same one, actually): Lower taxes, reduce spending, lighten regulation, open up trade and encourage rather than bash the private sector.

    By contrast, the defining characteristic of Obama’s approach is now confusion. What he has tried hasn’t worked, so he’ll do more of the same? . . . He’s not really fooling anyone. This is a political speech intended to lay the foundation for “Congress won’t cooperate with me” excuse- mongering. But frankly, the public doesn’t want more boondoggle spending either. They have lost confidence in his ability to manage the economy, and telling us his hands are tied by those ornery Republicans is hardly going to boost confidence that he can get things done. ~ Jennifer Rubin

    AMEN!

  • 447. Tex Taylor  |  September 8, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Obama’s speech had the same look and feel of a ShamWow commercial.

  • 448. huckingfypocrites  |  September 8, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    “…and he wants to spend another $300 $447 billion in money we don’t have to “create” jobs.”

  • 449. Tex Taylor  |  September 8, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    You know Obama’s busted when even the revolting AP is saying you’re lying thru your teeth:

    FACT CHECK: Obama’s jobs plan paid for? Seems not

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_JOBS_FACT_CHECK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-09-08-19-52-31

  • 450. poolman  |  September 8, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    I did not listen to the president’s speech. I’ll check out the highlights/lowlights from Huck’s link. I’m certain we’ll get a clear and unbiased critique here at Rutherford’s. :grin:

    I just listened to and read the transcript from Benjamin Freedman’s 1961 speech – twice. OMG! It is enlightening. If you’ve never heard it or are not familiar with him, I recommend checking it out. It goes quite counter to much of what I learned in history class. This big puzzle is all coming together.

    Thank God for the information age! No excuses.

  • 451. dead rabbit  |  September 8, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    Glad the whole picture is coming together for you.

    I heard the new movie about an outbreak addresses the harm you do to your fellow man, forked tongue slanderer. Supposedly it addresses the viral conspiracies that accompany bad events.

  • 452. Rutherford  |  September 9, 2011 at 12:10 am

    I only semi-enjoyed Clockwork Orange but I quite liked Caligula ;-)

    Film has an interesting back story … basically a soft core porn film spliced together with a legit movie with the likes of John Gielgud. I’m a big fan of the late Guccione, basically Hugh Hefner with brains, class and culture.

  • 453. Rutherford  |  September 9, 2011 at 12:13 am

    Oh regarding Caligula I assume Tex that your squirrel is my beaver. You must not have seen the unedited version. ;-)

    Apologies to the gentle ladies who lurk here.

  • 454. Tex Taylor  |  September 9, 2011 at 12:43 am

    Oh regarding Caligula I assume Tex that your squirrel is my beaver.

    Correct. I was just attempting to spruce up the vernacular here – something a little more subtle, a little less common. :wink:

  • 455. poolman  |  September 9, 2011 at 12:56 am

    Oh rabbit! I think you should question everything. Especially if someone with more money and influence is telling it to you. Motive. Everyone has motive. I’ve stated mine, you just don’t accept it.

    Remember, you’re the one who holds as fact that 2 commercial jets laden with kerosene totally pulverized 3 modern steel skyscrapers. A first EVER. We are just defenseless against a box-cutter brigade.

    Look how much Islam has benefited as a result of this new Pearl Harbor! Notice the mighty Muslim Empire poised and ready to convert your happy ass. :roll: Comical, really.

  • 456. PFesser  |  September 9, 2011 at 7:34 am

    poolman -

    Newsweek’s current issue is on 9/11. It’s light reading, but otherwise pretty decent. I didn’t realize how much it had gotten to me.

    I need to keep notes on what I read so I can ref. it. There was a great article about two years ago on the differences between the three desert religions – Christianity, Islam, Judaism – and how two of them had reconciled with modern times but Islam had not, and how it had relegated its followers to living in the past, never to accomplish much or gain any real power. If I can think of it I’ll post the reference.

  • 457. PFesser  |  September 9, 2011 at 7:46 am

    poolman -

    Mythbusters did a segment where they accelerated I believe an automobile using rocket engines along a rail, then slammed it into concrete? I think.

    There were just shards of metal left. It is hard to conceive the damage done by something going as fast as an airliner.

    And remember, the plane just set the buildings on fire, even though it hit very high, i.e. with a lot of leverage. It did not knock them down. They went down after the fires had burned a while.

  • 458. an800lbgorilla  |  September 9, 2011 at 9:16 am

    That is the key word, isn’t it? “Somali” problem. Not US problem. Why isn’t it an affair for the Russians to solve? How about the Swiss? The French? The Australians? Why is it OUR role to do the heavy lifting while everybody else watches from the sideline?” – PFessor

    One word: al-Qaida. You’re content to let a problem fester, and if no one else addresses it, well, tuff luck. That’s fine and dandy until it bites us in the ass because it was ignored, ala Afghanistan. Failed states easily become everyone’s problem because of the destabilizing influence they have on their neighbors and regions writ large. Paul’s premise on foreign policy would see a plethora of small wars the world over, which he nievely thinks won’t harm us as long as it is over there, except that is not true. Economically it affects trade, humanitarianly it sees tremendous strife and suffering, from a security perspective it promotes arms traffiking and the development of violent armed factions, etc. We committed half-assed to Somali relief efforts, and when we got caught in a bad spot, our fearless Dem leadership zipped his fly for the five minutes it took to run. Since that point, we’ve seen Somalia turn into a real cess pool which has become OUR problem because of the piracy that is eminating from the failed state, or did you forget about that little inconvienence.

    You gotta be kidding. Is this the level of proof we require here in this country? He can’t prove he didn’t do it, and where there’s a little smoke, there’s fire?” – PFessor

    You’ve been expecting me to prove a negative, so to bitch about this is just mentally vacant. Besides, your defense relies on this being an anomaly, and unique event outside the norm, when clearly it is not: here and here. You’ll note that from 1996 till 2001 he didn’t deny writing the racist comments, only that they were taken out of context. It wasn’t until 2001 that he made up the Ghost Writer claim.

    Listen, its obvious that I’ve done more research on his back ground than you have, and considering that you fell for the Hope and Change meme, I’m not surprised. The man is a racist and he’s frankly unhinged. What disgusts me is that he’s not a Conservative, he’s a Libertarian, and he doesn’t belong in the GOP or the Oval office.

  • 459. an800lbgorilla  |  September 9, 2011 at 9:31 am

    I think everyone should research Freedman, then they can see for themselves how much of a racist he, and the Piss Pot are.

    Really.

  • 460. PFesser  |  September 9, 2011 at 10:07 am

    “You’ve been expecting me to prove a negative, so to bitch about this is just mentally vacant.”

    Nonsense. I’m asking you what your standard of proof is. It appears to me it’s “He can’t prove he did NOT do it” – which of course is YOUR asking someone to prove a negative. If I am mis-characterizing your standard, enlighten me.

    re: Somalia. I don’t know what technology is available to the military, but clearly the US military has an interest in protecting any transport coming to or from the US or carrying a US flag. Whether via satellite, aircraft or whatever else it takes, it would seem to me that our role should be limited to protecting our interests and nothing else. Other countries can step up to the plate and do the same thing – for once.

    “Listen, its obvious that I’ve done more research on his back ground than you have, and considering that you fell for the Hope and Change meme, I’m not surprised.

    I don’t see how the two are related, other that as a lame attempt to connect them as some kind of a personal swipe.

    “The man is a racist and he’s frankly unhinged”

    I disagree. Can you show me some “unhinged” behavior?

  • 461. poolman  |  September 9, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Really.

    Yes. Everyone should research Freedman. If it wasn’t for the word “racist”, some wouldn’t have much of anything to say.

    And remember this…

    There have been wars going on everywhere in the world.
    We do destabilize governments and have for decades.
    We created Al Qaeda from the Mujahadeen.
    A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for the Republic we once were.

  • 462. Tex Taylor  |  September 9, 2011 at 10:32 am

    The L.A. Times editorial is now ripping Obama? One of the most liberal newspapers in America, published in probably the most liberal big town?

    Have the sycophants finally have had enough of trying to defend their pet failure? I thought I was reading Limbaugh’s site for a minute, but this is more unflattering than anything I generally read at Conservative sites.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/09/obama-jobs-speech-congress-bad-news-polls-.html

    Look, if we all agree that Obama is a miserable failure and hasn’t a clue how to fix anything, why should we not ask for his resignation now? He’s clearly not qualified, his intentions are not good as he is radically trying to transform the country and destroying it in the process – a Chicago style thug with an equally worthless cabinet. Look at Chicago guys – it’s an absolute disgrace as the pols have ruined it. You Obama voters want all of America to look like that? If not, demand the man step down now.

    I might respect the man if he looked into the camera and said, “I have failed and it is time to let somebody else have a crack at this…” With emphasis on “I” have failed so that America isn’t hoodwinked by a fraud and a charlatan again.

    I actually feel a measure of remorse, because Obama has been my main target and I haven’t let up. I disliked the man in 2008 as knew he was an ignorant racist and pig like Jeremiah Wright cloaked behind a toothy smile, and disdain Obama now for the damage I knew he would and has caused trying to turn America into Western Europe.

    But the problem with liberalism goes much deeper than Obama – he’s just the figurehead of a miserable and morally bankrupt philosophy. Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Hillary Rotten, Maxine Waters, Chuck Schumer, Dickhead Durbin – they are all equally worthless – a stain upon our great country.

    They all need to be removed – immediately. These people are hurting your kids and ruining their future. For you Obama voters who brought us this mess, it’s the least you could do as penance to demand Obama leave office ASAP.

  • 463. PFesser  |  September 9, 2011 at 10:43 am

    “he is radically trying to transform the country and destroying it in the process ”

    Unfortunately absolutely correct.

    “But the problem with liberalism goes much deeper than Obama – he’s just the figurehead of a miserable and morally bankrupt philosophy. Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Hillary Rotten, Maxine Waters, Chuck Schumer, Dickhead Durbin – they are all equally worthless – a stain upon our great country.”

    Hear! Hear!

    An interesting read is, “The Law” by Bastiat. I can’t remember the exact year, but somewhere around 1850. He describes the collectivists perfectly and why it won’t work. Could have been written yesterday.

  • 464. Tex Taylor  |  September 9, 2011 at 10:44 am

    UH OH…the Leftist shills (see Fat Grannies), the progressive blogs (see Fat Grannies, PuffHO, KKKOS, Veteran’s Today, AlterNet) and the religious bigots, at least one who frequents here, have stepped in a steaming pile of dog doo again. They have picked a poster child for their message, but haven’t discovered he’s, he’s, he’s….

    A Rebliblican, a Conservative Christian and ordained Baptist Minister. AAAAARRRRGGGHHHH! What are you going to do when you finally realize this?

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/oops-left%E2%80%99s-new-role-model-is-a-christian-conservative/
    :twisted:

  • 465. Rutherford  |  September 9, 2011 at 11:19 am

    I have failed and it is time to let somebody else Joe Biden have a crack at this..

    Fixed it for you. :-)

  • 466. Tex Taylor  |  September 9, 2011 at 11:25 am

    I have failed and it is time to let somebody else Joe Biden have a crack at this..

    (Shudders…) I assumed that with Obama stepping down, logically you would assume that Joe Biden would be stepping “out” with him.

    The Barbarians are at the gate, they are terrorists, and Joe wouldn’t operate well in that world. But I’m convinced we could put Hugh Hefner in White House this minute replete with Playboy Bunnies and Cotton Tails, and things would be run for the better.

  • 467. Rutherford  |  September 9, 2011 at 11:28 am

    “he is radically trying to transform the country and destroying it in the process ” — Tex

    Unfortunately absolutely correct. — PF

    PF you disappoint me. How you can sign on to this nonsense is beyond me. What transformation is he attempting? There have always been liberals and conservatives. It is this see-saw of ideological approaches that has made our county great … as opposed to a conservative (or liberal) dictatorship lasting decades.

    And Obama is a huge disappointment to far left liberals. I’m sorry to let you in on this but the man is a moderate and a compromiser. Perhaps too lazy for the fight? I don’t know … but he is transformational in no way whatsoever.

    PF you’re applauding pure melodramatic claptrap. I expect this from Tex. I thought you were more clear-headed.

  • 468. El Tigre  |  September 9, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Touche, R. :lol:

  • 469. Rutherford  |  September 9, 2011 at 11:37 am

    When’s the last time you heard a Harvard grad say, “Boy, did I blow that!”

    Wow, right when the LA Times guy starts to build a credible argument he blows it by betraying his own insecurity. I’m sorry Andrew Malcolm that you’re still smarting over that Harvard rejection letter you got when you were 18 years old. Isn’t it time you got over it? ;-)

  • 470. PFesser  |  September 9, 2011 at 11:43 am

    R -

    I have come to believe that Obama really thinks that the European model is exactly what this country should strive for – and by that I mean the most extreme socialist model, such as the Scandinavian countries. When I voted for him I had no choice, since a vote for McCain carried a very significant possibility of having Palin as president. Having said that, as a Libertarian I am fiscally very conservative and in that mold even McCain is not conservative enough.

    The real damage done by Obama is all this money-printing. He is destroying this economy as sure as the world turns, and in my opinion is so inexperienced that he is taking marching orders on the economy from Bernanke, Paul Krugman and the like. I don’t think he’s a bad man; he just doesn’t have the maturity and experience he needs to do the job.

    If McCain had stood by his principles instead of listening to his handlers, he’d be president and Lieberman would be the VP. This is the same kind of crap that cost Bush I and Dole the presidency. They need to do what they think is right, not what the handlers tell them.

  • 471. Rutherford  |  September 9, 2011 at 11:47 am

    The man is a racist and he’s frankly unhinged.

    I must have been snoozing during this argument. Funny how when I voiced concerns about Paul’s dalliance with racist rhetoric I heard crickets (besides I think Huck telling me I had some double standard vis-a-vis Paul and Obama). Now suddenly it’s an issue because Paul wants us to mind our own business and save a lot of money.

    Funny.

  • 472. PFesser  |  September 9, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    I guess I must have missed this “racial rhetoric.” Do you have a link or something so I can educate myself as to what was actually said?

  • 473. huckingfypocrites  |  September 9, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    “Explain meddling.”

    Meddling is stuff like sending the CIA to stir up coups in other countries. Go ahead and discount it as decades ago. The people in those countries still remember it, and are still pissed off about it.

    ” I’d respect you more if you just said, “if we’re going to get involved, then we get totally involved to ensure success, rather than half-ass our way through it.””

    This really gets annoying. “I would respect you more if…” and “I thought you were smarter than that.”

    I really don’t give a fuck if any of you respect me or how smart you think I am. You’re only going to respect those who say what you want said, anyway.

    Second, you obviously knew what I was talking about so save your lessons in discourse for someone who is interested in them.

    “Hmmmm, a mahdist who believes he can initiate the second coming through global conflict… armed with a nuclear bomb… in a faith that embraces the premise of martyrdom…”

    Do mahdists believe it is their place to fuck up the world so he returns? Do you really think they have such little respect for their mahdi that they can manipulate his arrival when they want rather than when he wants?

    Quit looking at what Iranians believe through your own eyes.

    “First off, I’m not a neocon. Not even a little bit.”
    “I’m not asking to be the world policeman or to roam around instituting democracy…”

    Oh really?….

    “Letting the people of Darfur suck it up isn’t going to institute democracy or free market principles.”

    That sure looks like a basic neocon principle, to me. And it sure looks like you are calling for it.

    Perhaps you need to reflect on your current ideologies. It appears they might have changed.

    So since we are all foreign policy experts now….

    If Ron Paul’s FP, and specifically, his Iran policy is so wrong…what is right?

    Decades of sanctions haven’t kept Iran from building a nuclear program. Should we use the Obama method of repeating failed ideas in hopes that one time they work?

    Shall we bomb, bomb, bomb….bomb, bomb Iran? Even McCain said that was a joke.

    Maybe invade them so they can send human waves at us like they did when Iraq invaded?

    Are we going to go send US boys into Iran to kill Iranian boys so that we can protect Israeli and Saudi boys?

    I mean, Israel has already done fine dealing with Iraq’s nuclear program and Syria’s nuclear program. Ron Paul understand that and cites it as why he is fine letting them deal with Iran’s nuclear program.

    I am done with this. I am not going to change anyone’s mind about this fringe candidate, nor am I attempting to. As it stands right this moment, he probably won’t even get my primary vote, because I want Romney over Perry. Paul has some hairbrained notions but he also has some damn good ones. And it seems that many of the good ones are the ones that piss everyone off, and are the ones that seem to receive the most misrepresentation by critics that can’t knock them down any other way.

  • 474. Tex Taylor  |  September 9, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    And Obama is a huge disappointment to far left liberals. I’m sorry to let you in on this but the man is a moderate and a compromiser. Perhaps too lazy for the fight? I don’t know … but he is transformational in no way whatsoever.

    Gawd, you are blind. Perhaps you are just simply dumb and I’ve given you credit you don’t deserve. Get over your Harvard education – it’s clearly a bill sale with much less worth than its advertised value. Fucking Harvard helped put America in the shape its in. Enough said.

    How you can call spending $4,000,000,000,000 more than we have in 31 months a moderate, is beyond me. Cradle to grave entitlements, unemployment benefits extended for years, government health care mandates rammed through against even the will of the people, extensive and untenable regulation, and you have the unmitigated gall to Obama a moderate and compromiser? He’s a frickin bully and thug, surrounded by radicals and pinko sympathizers. One, two, three, four, what is the Whitehouse fighting for…

    You’re worthless in the cause Rutherford – every bit as worthless and mindless as Nancy Pelosi. Go back to your hole and stay there until the storm blows over and the adults can take a stab at making things right. Your ways and your men damn sure isn’t working.

  • 475. PFesser  |  September 9, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    huck – @12:50

    Will you marry me?

    Damned fine rant. Especially that part about not being interested in whether you are respected. Jesus does that personal bullshit get old. Let’s get it straight once and for all: nobody here really gives a rat’s ass what anybody else thinks of him – if he did, he couldn’t hang with this cadre of bastards.

  • 476. PFesser  |  September 9, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Hell, let me take off the qualifiers.

    Just a fine rant, period.

  • 477. Tex Taylor  |  September 9, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Huck, I wasn’t the target of that rant, but I am curious – and this isn’t to start a fight but fulfill a curiosity. You’re a pretty smart guy – nobody here is discounting what you bring. Sometimes, you even make the best points on the board and give a know-it-all like me pause.

    But why is it that you either trust the U.N. or support the U.N.? Or perhaps I am confused by your stance about the U.N. You know I’m a huge critic of the U.N. and would even go so far as to kick them out of the country were I President, mainly because I think it is pouring money down a rat hole and they are corrupt as hell. Add to the fact, I find them more often then not a foe of America and we get to foot 22% of their bill. But, I will admit that is one man’s opinion. This will lead me to a second question, but I need to fully understand your position. Again, I find your stances interesting. I’m more curious how you arrived at your opinions.

  • 478. huckingfypocrites  |  September 9, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Tex, my short answer is….

    Basically, there is an ongoing discussion that is the United Nations. I don’t always agree with the discussion(s), their outcomes, or their (in)effectiveness. But they are going to go on whether or not we are in them. All us leaving the UN will do is remove us from the discussion. I think keeping us in the discussion is worth the money. I don’t see international diplomacy as being contradictory to positions some might call “isolationist.” In today’s globalized world, we have to have relations with other countries. I think the differences in thinking we are all doing is found in the type of relations we have, and in my opinion, decades of using a strong arm has worked better in the short term than it is proving to work in the long term.

    I am in no way saying we have deserved everything we have gotten as a result of that strong arm. I absolutely disagree with the types of responses some have had. But with that said, I also absolutely understand the desire of some to respond. As has been pointed out, we wouldn’t put up with most of what we dish out to others.

    I guess that wasn’t such a short answer…..

  • 479. dead rabbit  |  September 9, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Came home and told my Mrs. Rabbit about the awesome vacation we are going to take.

    When she asked how we are going to pay for it, I said that’s the easy part. Her ass is going to cut coupons until we raise 3 million dollars.

    I’m a fucking genius.

  • 480. Rutherford  |  September 9, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Just got back from one-week-delayed 11th anniversary date with my wife. Movie and burgers.

    Saw “Rise of the Planet of the Apes”. I’m a huge Apes fan and this was a pretty good rework of the original premise. 8 out of 10 stars.

  • 481. dead rabbit  |  September 9, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    Sounds like Obama wants to flush more money down the Department of Education sewer.

    When are you mainstream Republicans going to get serious and kill Jimmy Carter’s monstrosity?

    The Federal government can not fix education.

    I’m telling you, it’s a shell game at it’s best, a con at it’s worst.

    Rabbit platform:

    1. Kill the Department of Education
    2. Kill the Department of Energy.
    3. Completely legalize Marijuana
    4. Cut Capital Gains take by 50%
    5. Cut Corporate income tax by 50%
    6. Close 50% of European bases.
    7. Kill Obamacare
    8. Public healthcare for all children under 18.
    9. Kill Public Radio/ TV. All low income families are eligible for a 5 dollar short wave radio if they want one. Beam short wave into all rural areas.
    10. Eradicate food stamps. Sub contract out beans, rice and dry milk dispensaries.
    11. Allow sports book gambling online via state governments.
    12. Completely seal off the border, Berlin Wall style
    13. Deport all illegals with the slightest rap sheet, full amnesty for the rest.
    14. End all subsidies given to corn farmers that grow corn syrup.
    15. Run awareness campaign on the benefits of home gardens (you want strawberries, grow the motherfuckers. We don’t have Mexican slaves anymore.)
    16. Cut unemployment down to 3 months

    I’m a kooky motherfucker. But we need some kooky. I know there is some liberal big gov stuff in my platform, too.

    Gorilla, you are making a big mistake calling for Ron Paul to leave the GOP tent. Without a Libertarian voice, what is the GOP? Democrat lite?

  • 482. dead rabbit  |  September 9, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    Happy anniversary! Been wanting to see that movie.

  • 483. Rutherford  |  September 9, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    PF, Gorilla posted links about Paul’s old newsletters and I did too either in this thread or the last.

    At worst, Paul’s a bigot. At best he exercised no control over a newsletter that went out under his name, which makes him a fool.

    I’m not happy to harp on this because I absolutely love some of Paul’s presciptions.

  • 484. dead rabbit  |  September 9, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    in other news…..still the best “woooooooooooohh woooooohooo” of all time

  • 485. huckingfypocrites  |  September 9, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Congrats on the anniversary!

    My thesis proposal is all but approved so I am not running away from any fights but I have a lot of work ahead of me which will be cutting into my screwing-off time.

  • 486. PFesser  |  September 9, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    I tell you how it’s looking to me, R. All these people running on both sides are – at best – pretty much the same, except for Obama, who I think is taking the country right down the shit pipes. I mean that sincerely.

    We are ‘way beyond “a little of this and a little of that.” We are in a world of shit and we need to ACT; he is the only one willing to do that, and even he is going to face an uphill battle with this corrupt congress getting anything done. But he CAN stop the money-printing and he CAN bring the troops home tomorrow. He can do a hell of a lot of stuff and can do it immediately. None of the others are going to do a goddamn thing that is effective. Perry might pray for good fortune – it did him so much good with the drought, after all.

    We HAVE to turn this country around and I mean NOW. I am not usually a panic-kind of fellow, but it is time to panic, IMHO, and the ONLY candidate who can and will do what is necessary is Paul. Maybe he’s got some racial problems or even a hundred others, but this is not a contest for the prom king. This is for real, my friend, and we need to elect somebody who will do what has to be done.

  • 487. poolman  |  September 9, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    My oldest grandson is drawing the twin towers with the planes crashing into them. It seems they are indoctrinating them in the public schools. The FBI hasn’t even proved those accused did it or that the event follows the story line the media delivered the day of the event. The very day of the event, they had it solved. It’s just that we haven’t been able to prove ANY of it. I thought we were a country of laws. I guess not really.

    Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, 9/11. Myths. Why do we lie to our children? Why do we let our government lie? It’s fucked.

  • 488. Tex Taylor  |  September 9, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Hard to imagine having Poolman as a grandfather…

    Here’s a perfect example of Obama’s core constituency. Yes We Can!

  • 489. Tex Taylor  |  September 9, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    I guess that wasn’t such a short answer…..

    Short enough. :wink:

    I didn’t really get the scope of answer I was looking for to elaborate on my next question, so I guess we’ll have to leave it there. We obviously have a difference of opinion about the effectiveness of the U.N., because off hand, I can’t think of one damn thing they’ve been effective. I can name at least 10 scandals – some scandalous beyond comprehension, starving children in Iraq the first coming to mind; raping natives in the Congo by the baby blue helmets second.

    However, I can also understand the diplomats and individuals believing in the concept of a global roundtable – and you’re right. The discussion would go on whether we are there or not. At the very least, I’d like to see us cut our allocated burden in half.

    Seems paying no more than 10% would still be more than fair.

  • 490. dead rabbit  |  September 9, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Pfessor,

    You might be right. I don’t like to think of it as panic mode. More like we need the DC team leading all hands to save the ship. We need to dog down hatches and fight the Class Delta fire with all we got.

    It might be too late for replacing a total failure at the helm who keeps spraying water on a magnesium fire.

    And Romney would probably make a fine Captain in normal times. But these aint normal times when you look at the global basket of currencies and global debt.

    So, I hear what you are saying with Paul.

    But, damn man, you can’t dismiss the dude’s foreign policy as a mere imperfection. At the very least, you have to admit there would be massive changes in the geopolitical paradigm that would be capitalized by evil doers.

  • 491. dead rabbit  |  September 9, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    If Poolman was my grandfather, I go back in time and kill him…

    By the way, poolman is a perfect example for why teachers deserve to make 48 grand a year.

    I wonder if Poolman has no problems with PP or the school hiding abortions from parents.

  • 493. poolman  |  September 9, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    At the very least, you have to admit there would be massive changes in the geopolitical paradigm that would be capitalized by evil doers.

    Evil doers? :lol: Who are these evil doers? How would you even recognize them? You think Cheney and the US a good example of Christian. Evil doers. You’re the funniest rabbit I’ve ever come across. Evil doers. :lol:

  • 494. poolman  |  September 9, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    If Poolman was my grandfather, I go back in time and kill him…

    Terminator. Would you disintegrate at that very moment?

    By the way, poolman is a perfect example for why teachers deserve to make 48 grand a year.

    Is that ALL they deserve to make? Man that’s cheap.

    I wonder if Poolman has no problems with PP or the school hiding abortions from parents.

    It always comes back to this. It’s okay to trash Iraqi neighborhoods with depleted uranium, maiming children and causing severe birth defects for generations. But abortion? Crime of the century. And no, I don’t think parents should be bypassed.

    If parents would parent, this would not even be an issue. Until they are 18 and on their own, every decision should go through at least one parent. If we didn’t foster our parenting on the schools, this would be a non issue. Mom or dad needs to stay home and raise Johnny/Judy. Give up your widescreen and big house in the suburbs and raise these children. It is the most important thing anyone CAN do. No excuse.

  • 495. Tex Taylor  |  September 9, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    trash Iraqi neighborhoods with depleted uranium, maiming children and causing severe birth defects for generations.

    Depleted uranium causing severe birth defects. :lol: :lol: Another conspiracy theory based on junk science? YAHOO!

    Here are the facts joker, in a fashion and form even you might understand.

    From actual measurements, if a tank crewman were to stay continuously inside a “heavy armor” tank that uses DU armor panels, fully loaded with only DU ammunition, with the gun pointed to the rear to maximize any exposure – 24 hours a day, 365 days a year – he would receive only about 25 percent of the permitted annual dose. Since nobody sits inside such a tank 24/7 for an entire year, exposure levels from realistic times, such as 900 hours per training year, are about the same dosage you might receive from cosmic radiation on a round-trip between New York and Los Angeles.

    Unless those kids are eating the fire when it explodes, forget it Prime Time – uranium in its natural form is an incredibly stable element, very dense, you can hold in your hand without danger, and is found in abundant quantities in the crust of the earth.

    Give you one thing Poolman. You are consistent. Left-wing, pseudoscientific environmental organizations whose core membership draws on the disaffected fringe elements of our society.

    Every time, Prime Time.

  • 496. Tex Taylor  |  September 9, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    Pfesser,

    I disagree with your not being able to differentiate between the two parties. I find that a specious argument. While I agree the Republican Congress under Bush was undisciplined to say the least and deserves condemnation (and 2006 & 2008, they got it), to say there is little difference between the two parties is simply incorrect.

    I could provide many notable differences, even when Republicans were at the dead level worst, but here are two:

    (1) Obamacare – would have never happened under a Republican Congress.
    (2) And this…. http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/09/more-leeches.php Take a real hard look at the regulation graph and tell me there is little difference.

  • 497. dead rabbit  |  September 9, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    I don’t talk tanks unless unless a motherfucker at least owns 100 shares of this. come on, buy some just to be cool to the old dead rabbit

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BORK.PK

  • 498. dead rabbit  |  September 9, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    Holy shit…………that red tape graph is mind blowing.

  • 499. dead rabbit  |  September 9, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    Poolman, you are one of the evil doers.

    That’s why you would never want to meet me in a dark alley.

  • 500. poolman  |  September 9, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    Too many links. Tex, you’re a helluva spokesman for evil doers.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-6266684-503543.html

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23977

  • 501. dead rabbit  |  September 9, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Poolman, do you even know any Arabs?

    You need to come talk to the people in my town. Real people. They will tell you about evil doers.

  • 502. Tex Taylor  |  September 9, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Sheer propaganda Poolman, from imbeciles like you that don’t even basic chemistry. Arab propaganda, nonetheless. :roll:

    You couldn’t make salt water in a chemistry lab Poolman.

  • 503. dead rabbit  |  September 9, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Can you imagine getting thrown into a POW camp along side Poolman? motherfucker would be eating steak every night watching his fellow shipmates get beat. Buying into everything the enemy says about America.

  • 504. poolman  |  September 9, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    Poolman, you are one of the evil doers.
    That’s why you would never want to meet me in a dark alley.

    In your upside-down world, I’m certain. Is there any “good” that can happen in a dark alley? What “good” do you have planned, bunny?

    I”d point you to scripture regarding a house divided that would be apropos, but it would likely fall on dead rabbit ears.

    Poolman, do you even know any Arabs?

    I know people. Some are from Arab countries. We have plenty of Iraqi and Iranian folks here in Phoenix. People are people. You want them to have labels? All people are different. Unique. I know it’s a tough concept in our “one size fits all” society, but really there are good folks and bad folks in all folks.

    You need to come talk to the people in my town. Real people. They will tell you about evil doers.

    Your town is some kind of Mecca? They dusted your town with realness? Your point being I need to talk to Arabs about how evil Arabs are? But when Jews tell us how evil other Jews are we’re supposed to ignore it? Sorry. I read my Bible. It gives me a real clear picture of good and evil.

  • 505. Tex Taylor  |  September 9, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Sorry. I read my Bible. It gives me a real clear picture of good and evil.

    Reading and comprehending are two different things. You wouldn’t recognize evil if it held a gun to your temple.

  • 506. poolman  |  September 9, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Rabbit you need to define America. I’m certain you have no clear concept of what it is you are defending. If you’re defending the thieves that stole the deed to this place and continue to abuse and enslave us through debt, you’re no patriot.

    Hang ‘em High!

  • 507. poolman  |  September 9, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Reading and comprehending are two different things.

    After “debating” with you for as long as I have, I am WELL AWARE.

    You wouldn’t recognize evil if it held a gun to your temple.

    Et tu, Brute?

  • 508. dead rabbit  |  September 9, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    As I’ve said before, I’m certain I would love catching you actually taking action against your country that you declared war against.

    But, then again, you weren’t even man enough to provide for your own wife’s yeasty cunt. So, I doubt you got the balls, pussy.

    We can disagree all night long. At a certain point, you have to realize you are not one of my countryman, as your charges against my country make us enemies.

    What common ground can I possibly share with you? What “debate” could we possibly have? You think America attacked America on 9-11.

    There is no olive branch.

    You are an enemy of my country.

    The way I see it, only the damn Geneva Conventions protect your pathetic cowardly ass from me.

    Take up arms, bitch.

    If R wants to ban me over this comment, so be it.

  • 509. Tex Taylor  |  September 9, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Poolman, those sites you directed us to? Conspiracy sites.

    I don’t debate with you. For me to debate presumes some level or degree of competence and education of the one I’m debating. That would include everyone on this board – but you.

    You’re a fine source of information for the material source of a pool, how to dig a proper hole to place a fence post or possibly larger object, or how is the temperature in Phoenix.

    Anything else would be a non sequitur, or possibly amusement upon receipt of answer.

  • 510. Tex Taylor  |  September 9, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Rabbit, to hell with Poolman. He’s a disgrace and a pox on our country. Unfortunately, just like the assholes who burn the American flag, and I’m sure Poolman is one, supposedly we have to learn to tolerate that.

    Makes me nauseous to think guys like you and Gorilla actually serve or have served to protect scum like that.

  • 511. poolman  |  September 10, 2011 at 12:10 am

    I’m certain you want to kick somebody’s ass, rabbit. But your anger is seriously misdirected. You attack my character and insult my wife? Big man. :roll: If you are that hateful of someone you don’t even know, why should anyone trust your judgment?

    I present links to facts and sources. You don’t like what you see so you attack me. It doesn’t change the facts. If they are lies, time will bear them out. Time and effort gets results. Like this bit of history we are slowly piecing together, despite all your opposition. See how this smokes for you.

    Newly Published Audio Provides Real-Time View of 9/11 Attacks

    Though some of the audio has emerged over the years, mainly through public hearings and a federal criminal trial, the report provides a rare 360-degree view of events that were unfolding at high speed across the Northeast in the skies and on the ground. This week, the complete document, with recordings, is being published for the first time by the Rutgers Law Review, and selections of it are available online at nytimes.com.

    “The story of the day, of 9/11 itself, is best told in the voices of 9/11,” said Miles Kara, a retired Army colonel and an investigator for the commission who studied the events of that morning.

    Most of the work on the document — which commission staff members called an “audio monograph” — was finished in 2004, not in time to go through a long legal review before the commission was shut down that August.

    Mr. Kara tracked down the original electronic files earlier this year in the National Archives and finished reviewing and transcribing them with help from law students and John J. Farmer Jr., the dean of Rutgers Law School, who served as senior counsel to the commission.

    Your buddies are still holding back, though. It is taking a lot of pressure and legal wrangling. Why? What is there to hide? The truth? Who are we protecting?

    The account published this week is missing two essential pieces that remain restricted or classified, according to Mr. Kara. One is about 30 minutes of the cockpit recording of United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed into the ground after passengers tried to storm the cockpit as hijackers flew across Pennsylvania toward Washington, D.C. Families of some of those onboard have objected to the release of that recording, Mr. Kara said.

    The other still-secret recording is of a high-level conference call that began at 9:28 and grew, over the course of the morning, to include senior figures like Mr. Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Richard B. Myers.

    The recording was turned over to the National Security Council. The 9/11 Commission was not permitted to keep a copy of it or of the transcript, Mr. Kara said, and investigators were closely monitored when they listened to it. Mr. Kara said he believed that the only truly sensitive material on the recordings were small portions that concerned the provisions being made to continue government operations if the attacks took out some national leadership or facilities.

    “There was a staffer who was designated to sit with us, who would stop and start the tape, in my estimation to mask continuity of operations,” Mr. Kara said.

    Nevertheless, he noted, the commission ended up with hours and hours of recordings that it initially did not have access to or had been told did not exist, a point Mr. Farmer echoed in the preface to the Rutgers Law Review article.

    When the commission began taking testimony, military and civil aviation officials said “that no tapes were made, and we were told at one point that a technical malfunction would prevent us from hearing them,” Mr. Farmer wrote. “If we had not pushed as hard as we did — ultimately persuading the commission to use its subpoena power to obtain the records — many of the critical conversations from that morning may have been lost to history.”

  • 512. dead rabbit  |  September 10, 2011 at 12:24 am

    Yeah, I went over the line.

    I’d be lying if I said the coward didn’t piss me off.

    Poolman, I apologize for the comment about your wife. R, feel free to erase it.

    Not to somehow place my self closer to 9-11, as it did seem to be a sort of bizarre cottage industry for awhile, but I smelled those bodies come out of ground zero. I stood and watched as the American flag was draped on what I assume were body parts.

    Ground Zero was the saddest place I have ever been to in my life and I never should have gone there.

    On October 11th, I went to help the same friend move out (the Hedge-fund guy) that I helped move in on September 9th. His apartment was temporarily condemned from the attacks.

    The real reason I went was to go gawk.

    I saw Dads, Moms, Wives, Husbands, Brothers grieving at that site.

    The lump in my throat was massive.

    Too see a grown man like Poolman play these fantasy games over those attacks infuriates me.

    I’m not trying to be cheesy dramatic here, but I think its best I stay a way from poolman for a few days.

  • 513. dead rabbit  |  September 10, 2011 at 12:28 am

    I hope I’m not coming across as someone claiming to be a 9-11 victim, here.

    I’m no more phased by it then you guys are.

    Maybe a little disgust in myself for actually going there. That’s it. And, I don’t give that much thought either.

    But damn, to see someone spreading lies about those attacks…its just too much.

  • 514. poolman  |  September 10, 2011 at 12:42 am

    We’re ALL victims of 9/11. It changed our world. That was the plan. We just disagree on who the planners are/were. I look at who gained the most from it or who is still benefiting. There is a money trail, as usual.

    The initial event was tragic, but the casualties have been much since.

  • 515. poolman  |  September 10, 2011 at 12:43 am

    much *greater* since.

  • 516. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 12:47 am

    government health care mandates rammed through against even the will of the people

    Tex, of all the things listed in your rant this one is the only one even remotely ultra-left wing and you know damn well “Obama-care” was another disappointment to true liberals who wanted nothing but single-payer. You call Obama playing nice with the insurance companies and VERY nice with the drug companies some radical gov’t takeover of health care? Please. The mandate is the only thing really hard to swallow in the whole thing.

    When Bush spent us into bankruptcy were you calling him a left-wing ideologue?

    It’s total nonsense.

  • 517. dead rabbit  |  September 10, 2011 at 12:49 am

    “I look at who gained the most from it or who is still benefiting.”

    And your a fucking moron doing the bidding of those who attacked us.

  • 518. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 12:52 am

    Run awareness campaign on the benefits of home gardens

    So long as it isn’t Michelle Obama campaigning right Rabbit? :neutral:

    Oh and that Berlin Wall idea of yours … two questions. You gonna shoot and kill trespassers like they did in the good old days of The Wall? Also I assume you want the wall built on both our Southern and Northern borders right? No reason to let those greasy Canadians sneak in here eh?

  • 519. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 12:55 am

    Happy anniversary! Been wanting to see that movie.

    Thanks Rabbit. If you know the original run, then you should enjoy “Rise”. It pays homage to the original in clever ways.

    Oh …. and DON’T be an ass like most theater goers and leave when the credits start to roll. There is a KEY F*CKING SCENE right after the credits start to roll. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

  • 520. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 12:57 am

    in other news…..still the best “woooooooooooohh woooooohooo” of all time

    And on a related note, Clarence Clemons R.I.P.

  • 521. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 12:59 am

    Congrats on the anniversary!

    Thanks Huck.

  • 522. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 1:04 am

    ONLY candidate who can and will do what is necessary is Paul.

    PF I’d like to think you’re right but the power of the Presidency is so greatly diminished IMHO that Paul would do pretty much what Obama does …. give speeches saying what we want to hear and then nothing gets done. No President as anti-establishment as Paul could get the support of Congress. Even worse, some of his ideas are enough of a threat to the status-quo that assassination would be a real risk. (Sorry to sound like Poolman but … )

  • 523. poolman  |  September 10, 2011 at 1:04 am

    Apparently no one remembers how hard it was just to get an investigation.

    http://personalgrowthcourses.net/video/9-11_truth_documentary

  • 524. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 1:06 am

    My oldest grandson is drawing the twin towers with the planes crashing into them.

    Poolman I don’t find this offensive because of the history being taught … I find it offensive because no child should be encouraged to draw such morbid stuff. It is in very poor taste.

  • 525. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 1:10 am

    Question for you Rabbit since you’re against government intervention in education.

    Do you agree that children in a run-down school don’t have the same learning environment as kids in a school that doesn’t have leaky ceilings and warped gym floors, etc?

    So what is wrong with the government providing funds to fix up these schools? I’m not talking involvement with the curriculum. I mean literally fixing broken schools.

  • 526. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 1:27 am

    If R wants to ban me over this comment, so be it.

    LOL …. pretty light weight if you ask me Rabbit. Sh*t, at least you didn’t call him Gollum. :-)

    Speaking of which, the dude who played Gollum plays Ceasar in “Rise of the Planet of the Apes”. :-)

    Oh one more thing … do NOT read the Wiki entry for “Rise”. The mofo gives the entire plot away. Talk about a spoiler.

  • 527. dead rabbit  |  September 10, 2011 at 1:32 am

    I’ve worked in and continue to visit many schools. I honestly don’t see infrastructure as that much of a problem.

    That being said, I wish it worked that way. How it really goes down is that all kinds of schools get the cash and have to “find” a way to spend it.

    Its a total waste of money.

  • 528. poolman  |  September 10, 2011 at 1:44 am

    Poolman I don’t find this offensive because of the history being taught.

    Yeah, most of the history I learned in public school was lies. Why should I expect that to change.

    Thank God for the FOIA and the internet!

  • 529. poolman  |  September 10, 2011 at 4:11 am

    The good old days of flying…

  • 530. pfesser53  |  September 10, 2011 at 8:35 am

    “But, damn man, you can’t dismiss the dude’s foreign policy as a mere imperfection. At the very least, you have to admit there would be massive changes in the geopolitical paradigm that would be capitalized by evil doers.”

    I really appreciate where you are coming from, but the more I think about it the more I think that there must be a better way than trying to put you finger in 5000 dikes. We just don’t have the resources, good idea or not. So we have to look for something else.

    When the cow-fuckers in DC will leave it alone, our economy is a world-beating powerhouse. If our leaders stop squandering what we produce there will be enough money for our military to be technologically ahead of anybody else by decades – forever. That’s what China is doing – husbanding their resources, modernizing their military and NOT FIGHTING ANYBODY. (much). Think about it a minute – why do we have 700 bases in 130 countries? Nobody else even comes close. If Russia had 40 bases in Mexico and China had 75 in Canada we would shit our pants. The problem is that one just gets used to things and it seems wrong if we propose to change it.

    I don’t think anything is off the table. To my mind, the appropriate thing to do is what Switzerland has done forever – maintain a standing army with every man between 8 and 50 required to be in it. Even Germany – next door – didn’t fuck with them in WWII. Keep the army sharp – and at home. If you need to fight, fight to win. Leave not one stone standing upon another and then come home. Make it clear that if you fuck with us we will destroy you – and do it.

    On that line – I would say it is time for a complete market meltdown. Iran has announced that its “peaceful reactor” is online. Israel must act; it has no choice and the market will go to the bottom.

  • 531. pfesser53  |  September 10, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Rutherford opined:

    “Oh and that Berlin Wall idea of yours … two questions. You gonna shoot and kill trespassers like they did in the good old days of The Wall? Also I assume you want the wall built on both our Southern and Northern borders right? No reason to let those greasy Canadians sneak in here eh?”

    I would build the wall as follows: Two walls, ten feet high, spaced one mile apart in order to make tunneling difficult. Half way between a high-voltage electric fence with signs in several languages saying, “Danger- lethal voltage.” This arrangement assures that nobody blunders into the power unintentionally and keeps animals out. IR cameras with motion-sensing software on towers covering every linear inch of the ground in between the walls. IR lasers as backup. Roads on both sides of the electric fence for border patrol agents or helicopters.

    You’d only have to build it one time.

    As for Canada, you put your resources where your problem is. The problem is people coming north from Mexico, Central and South America – not Canada.

  • 532. Tex Taylor  |  September 10, 2011 at 10:00 am

    When Bush spent us into bankruptcy were you calling him a left-wing ideologue?

    It’s total nonsense.

    Between your flippant denial and ignorance, and Poolman’s American hatin’ rhetoric and continual stupid shit, this site has almost become as big a joke as Fat Grannies. My presence is nothing but bad habit now – light up another Tex. Fortunately, there are four or five most interesting that I like to read. You’re not one of them anymore Rutherford.

    How many times have I condemned Bush’s wild spending spree here – especially Medicare ‘D’? Of course, even with a crash, Obama spending went by Bush in a flash in 30 months. I would call that uber liberal spending – especially since most went to buy union votes and pay off friends for their donations. I don’t remember our debt being downgraded under Bush either. Since you never bother to review my links anymore, I won’t bother explaining immense gov’t meddling further. Waste of time.

    I need to ditch Poolman somehow or learn to ignore his posts. Like Rabbit, I don’t even want my name associated with that maggot. In another place and time when America was better and we had a set, and men were men and hadn’t become emasculated and pussified worrying about people calling them harsh names, many of us would have take care of the Poolman if we could find him. I am still of the opinion, contrary to what our courts have ruled, there are a couple of things sacrosanct in America. Accusing our own government of murdering its own citizens under a pack of vicious lies and slander is one, and Poolman would be harshly penalized on account of it if I had my way. Repeatable offense would be capital punishment – either firing squad or at the end of a noose.

    ———–

    I like Pfesser’s idea on the wall and have made past suggestions of something similar myself. The two walled system is an excellent idea Pfesser. Better than my suggestion of a 50′ wall with lethal voltage under and over. Under is too open to problems.

  • 533. poolman  |  September 10, 2011 at 11:20 am

    The only reason my POV gets under your skin is because you are afraid there might be truth to it. If it were total BS, as you infer, it could easily be ignored and you’d just blow it off. The problem is, deep inside somewhere, where you still value truth, this has nestled itself and affects your day to day.

    Turn on the TV, go to the sports channel or the propaganda feel good sites and bask in fantasy. Blame it all on the POTUS and you feel you are identifying the problem. If we could only get past him, or this person, or that liberal. Total scapegoating and your mind won’t rest because you know deep inside you are doing it.

    You should ALWAYS question EVERYTHING your government does. Put the burden of proof on them to show their integrity. That is what we’ve been tasked to do. It is what our history shows. They’ve been covering this thing since it happened. Every. Step. Of. The. Way.

    But today you’d just rather silence the message and bury the messenger. When has that ever been the right thing to do? Your thinking is clouded. I guarantee it. Mine was, too. No longer.
    When “fiction” makes more sense than the official story line and the rest of the world sees through the lies, it’s time to rethink it.

    The cover story given now, the recent leaks, just prior to the 9/11 10th anniversary are telling. Former CIA director and Defense Secretary Gates is now describing the enmity between Obama, Biden and Netanyahu. We now understand why millions in Zionist money, the Koch brothers cabal and the Mossad have been working so hard with neocons to brand Obama a socialist, a Muslim and even foreign born.

    Remember, many years ago, when Gorbachev was nearly over thrown but the CIA gave him no warning. Remember him saying, “The CIA can read license plates in Moscow and they couldn’t see armoured divisions closing in on the capitol?”

    This was decades ago.

    If you find Obama a disappointment perhaps you might remember, a few months ago, when he spoke of how difficult he found ‘asserting control’ over the Washington bureaucracy he inherited.

    We, years ago, remember Mrs. Clinton telling us of a great conspiracy against the presidency. We were advised by TV talking heads to take these pronouncements as conspiracy theory.

  • 534. El Tigre  |  September 10, 2011 at 11:32 am

    “When Bush spent us into bankruptcy were you calling him a left-wing ideologue?”

    I can’t speak for Tex. However, I wasn’t saying he was a left-wing ideologue, but I had plenty of pejoratives of similar effect. Funny thing is none of it validates Obama’s ruinous left-wing policies. None of it.

  • 535. El Tigre  |  September 10, 2011 at 11:43 am

    R, new post. Please!

  • 536. dead rabbit  |  September 10, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    I don’t want to bury the messenger. You are not worth the formal pomp.

  • 537. huckingfypocrites  |  September 10, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    I am sick of this “Obama inherited” bullshit.

    The man wanted a particular job. He asked the country to give him that job. Everything he “inherited” is everything that comes with the job he wanted.

    We told him the job was tough before he took it. We even told him he wasn’t ready. He didn’t listen, nor did millions of his fellow Americans. The same people who keep spouting this “inherited” crap.

    If Barack Obama can’t handle the “inheritance” that comes with being President of the United States of America, I can think of 1/2 a dozen people who are willing to relieve him of that duty.

    He can either do the job he asked to do or step aside and let someone else do it. But for god’s sake…quit fucking whining….

  • 538. El Tigre  |  September 10, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    Huck, in fairness, I think R was commenting a perceived hypocrisy in Tex’s comments. But damn. I hope Obama keeps laying blame at the feet of everyone except himself. Even the lefties can’t stand it anymore (just read the opinion pages written by anyone other than Krugman)

    R, Mrs. Tigre saw the Bush autobiographical (soliloquy-styled??) documentary. I really want to see it but darn it, I forgot to set the TiVo.

    Anyway, my old lady, who is almost apolitical, had a similar reaction to yours. She was struck by the pressure that descended on him and thought he’s actions were most dignified and comforting retrospect (I would have said courageous, but in looking at Bin Laden’s assassination I know it to mean something different to you).

    I know once humanized it’s hard maintain the visceral/personal dislike of the man. Perhaps I’ll reach that point with Obama some day — but I doubt it. As simply as I know how to say it, Obama wen to war (in a metaphorical sense) on his own constituency. He held himself out some kind of prophet and basked in the celebrity that accompanied it. He never accepts blame. He’s a punk. Poolman is a punk. Bush was never a punk.

    One thing though, was Mrs. Tigre was visibly pissed as she described her recollection of Michael Moore’s characterization of Bush’s reaction in his movie for dumb-shits. She was disgusted, and perhaps wrongly told me “this” is why she hates liberals. For what it’s worth, I understood what she meant, and fear good guys on the left, like you R, are incapable of understanding it. It’s a mindset that you believe virtuous and I find loathsome.

    R, I forgot to mention: Congrats on the 11th! We celebrated our 11th only 2 weeks ago (although we were together for 8 years before). Thankfully keeping count is easy having gotten married in 2000.

  • 539. huckingfypocrites  |  September 10, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    I was actually responding to PM’s VT quote in #533.

  • 540. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Accusing our own government of murdering its own citizens under a pack of vicious lies and slander is one, and Poolman would be harshly penalized on account of it if I had my way. Repeatable offense would be capital punishment – either firing squad or at the end of a noose.

    Tex, I see you still love that first amendment. :-)

    Oh and Pfesser …. those signs in several languages that warn of the high voltage wires … remind me again which language the animals will read that with? Oh sorry …. I forgot, the FIRST wall keeps them from the high voltage wires.

    As for Canada, I was being facetious. My point is again how brown skinned people who don’t speak English get our bowels in a knot while our neighbors to the North don’t worry us much. Maybe if more of them spoke French and had a lousy economy that drove them southward? :-)

  • 541. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Tex is clearly in a bad mood today … must be all that 9/11 coverage depressing him.

    Don’t worry dude, 9/12 will be here soon enough and we’ll all forget for another year. :neutral:

  • 542. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    We, years ago, remember Mrs. Clinton telling us of a great conspiracy against the presidency. We were advised by TV talking heads to take these pronouncements as conspiracy theory

    The trouble Poolman is Hillary was proven wrong. The ‘vast right wing conspiracy” against her husband turned out to be Bill smoking dildo cigars and poor Hillary believing (or pretending to believe) he was pure as the driven snow.

  • 543. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    I am sick of this “Obama inherited” bullshit.

    At this point Huck, I actually agree with you. I gave that excuse about a year’s expiration date. It’s now long past the expiration date.

    I’m no history expert but I don’t recall FDR whining about what he inherited from Hoover or Lincoln complaining about what he inherited from Buchanan.

  • 544. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    And as a follow-up, if I’m not mistaken Washington actually said to Adams something to the effect of “I’m done with this … good luck with it” almost as if to say “you want this job?” :-)

  • 545. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Thankfully keeping count is easy having gotten married in 2000.

    LOL Tigre, absolutely true. And thanks for the “defense” concerning my mention of Bush’s spending. I wasn’t arguing the inheritance angle, I was arguing the “Tex suddenly pissed” angle.

    As for Michael Moore and the whole “why did Bush sit in the classroom and not jump up and run” nonsense. Well …. it’s nonsense. I never bought into it and the further we get from 9/11/2001 the more I think Bush played it exactly right. Can you imagine “shiiiiiiiiiiiiit we’re at war … kids run for your lives!!!!” LOL The only thing that classroom video proves is that Bush has a LOUSY poker face. :-)

  • 546. Tex Taylor  |  September 10, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Tex, I see you still love that first amendment. :-)

    Since when did the First Amendment cover slander? I’ll stick by what I said. Our Founding Fathers would have hanged the POS, and he would have disappeared during WWII.

    If Poolman had any brains or clout, he would be what Stalin happily called useful idiot. But there’s nothing of use, so he wouldn’t be useful in any capacity. Bradley Manning without secrets to share.

  • 547. El Tigre  |  September 10, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    “Well …. it’s nonsense. I never bought into it and the further we get from 9/11/2001 the more I think Bush played it exactly right.”

    it’s more than that aspect. It’s the mindset that gave birth to the making of film itself that’s so disturbing. I’m afraid its a symptom and only one of tens of thousands of examples that remind me that the typical lib knows nothing of leadership because it calls upon character traits that threaten them.

  • 548. El Tigre  |  September 10, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    To complete the thought.

    Consensus and conformity of course being a preeminent need for the left. This is why “compromise” is an articulated objective of the genius-in-chief.

  • 549. pfesser53  |  September 10, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    “My point is again how brown skinned people who don’t speak English get our bowels in a knot while our neighbors to the North don’t worry us much.”

    Went straight for the “swarthy-type” stuff, eh?

    Maybe it’s not skin tone. Maybe it’s that a lot of them have mustaches. Or that they’re short.

    Or that they are a veritable human flood of uneducated folk with wives, children, grandparents, etc. who use resources that are by definition always in short supply.

  • 550. pfesser53  |  September 10, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Oh, and I left out one small point:

    They are breaking the law.

  • 551. poolman  |  September 10, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Since when did the First Amendment cover slander?

    Slander. Yeah, look to your posts. It well describes many or your own words and accusations.

    The trouble Poolman is Hillary was proven wrong.

    I guess I missed that proof. Really, I would think she would know. She is, after all, the one that announced to the world that we created al Qaeda. I have never trusted her in the least. But to think she didn’t know what Bill was doing as far as extracurricular activities is naive. This stuff has always gone on in those circles. I always was left with the impression their marriage was political, anyway. Those folks love power more than anything else.

    But we spent near one hundred million investigating that Lewinsky affair. They allocated 3 mil for 9/11. 3 million. After protest, it was upped to 14 mil and the time allocation was shortened. And it was rigged. The investigation was rigged. From the get go. The outcome pre-determined. I can’t for the life of me know how that doesn’t bother any of you. I just don’t get it

    “Bush was never a punk.” But I’m the punk for pointing it out. I’m the traitor for showing you hundreds of political, military, and intelligence people pointing it out. Experts that should know, that are putting their own credibility, careers, and in many cases their own life on the line. For what? Really. For what? Just keep rearranging the deck chairs.

    Me and Obama. If you could get rid of us, life would be good again.

    You guys really make me question whether there’s any hope for America. Yeah, I’m the problem. If I’d just shut up or go away, you could beat off in peace. “Bush was never a punk.”

  • 552. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Consensus and conformity of course being a preeminent need for the left.

    This is hardly the exclusive venue of the left. I’ve never seen a bunch more lock-step than the current crop of GOP presidential contenders and the GOP congressional contingent. Ron Paul might be an exception. Herman Cain with his 9-9-9 proposal maybe a bit original.

  • 553. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Hey that Bush flipping the bird picture beats Obama’s “head scratch” any day of the week! :-)

  • 554. Rutherford  |  September 10, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Poolman, FWIW I do agree with you that Hillary and Bill have a marriage of political convenience. They decided long ago they are more powerful together than apart so Bill can do whatever the hell he pleases so long as he doesn’t get caught. Honestly (and I know this is awful conjecture) I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn Hillary “plays for the other team.” Not that there’s anything wrong with that. :-)

  • 555. poolman  |  September 10, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    I to have thought Hillary might prefer partners of the same sex, though I haven’t ever seen proof of it. Just a hunch. But she may get off by other means. Power certainly satisfies some. Here is one insider who has had a recent experience with her power:

    http://www.consortiumnews.com/2011/022311b.html

  • 556. Tex Taylor  |  September 10, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Rutherford, see Benedict Arnold’s link? Here is his hero. You tell me we shouldn’t hang the rat bastard and I’ll back off. Otherwise, I say this POS is a traitor to his country, slanders his country and deserves severe punishment.

    “We are here to say thank you and to tell Bradley Manning, loud and clear, ‘You are not alone. You are not alone.’” ~ Ray McGovern at Quantico rally in support of Manning

  • 557. poolman  |  September 11, 2011 at 12:00 am

    I’m not so sure Bradley Manning even exists. Wikileaks has proved to be COINTEL. Ray McGovern, however is the real deal.

  • 558. El Tigre  |  September 11, 2011 at 11:06 am

    “I’ve never seen a bunch more lock-step than the current crop of GOP presidential contenders and the GOP congressional contingent.”

    R, that comment makes no sense. :roll: You’re referring to something completely different. As I said, you are incapable of understanding.

    Poolman, nice photo-shopped picture. Funny you weren’t skeptical since that’s your nature. :roll:

  • 559. poolman  |  September 11, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Photo shop this:

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