The GOP Slate and the Week We Lost Our Weiner

June 18, 2011 at 3:51 pm 563 comments

The GOP Slate

OK, let’s be honest, the first GOP candidate debate on Fox about a month ago was a joke. It included at least one candidate, Gary Johnson, who we know will never be President of the United States (Gary who?) and it did not include some heavy hitters, namely Romney and Gingrich through no fault of Fox but just bad timing. So let’s ignore that debacle and turn our attention toward the real first GOP candidate debate carried on CNN last Monday. The debate itself was clumsy with “average Americans” asking the questions. We don’t need average Americans who have no TV presence asking questions. I would have preferred a panel of journalists but then let’s not forget, this is the Palin Era where journalists are to be bypassed. The opening statements were also gag-worthy as each candidate tried to one-up the other on how much successful intercourse they’d had: “I’m the father of three”, “I’m the mother of five and foster-mother of 630″. Finally there were the series of “this or that” questions designed to lighten the mood and make the candidates more human. I was fully prepared for the moderator, John King to ask Herman Cain “Tupac or Biggie?”

Here is my quick review of the roster:

Rick Santorum: One word — Google. Really. Can any man whose last name ranks first on Google as the definition of  “The frothy mix of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex” expect to one day be President of the United States? Gay activist Dan Savage’s evil bit of brilliance in launching a contest to concoct a gay-oriented definition for Rick’s last name permanently makes him a punchline. I will give Santorum credit, however for consistency. He is against abortion even in the case of rape and incest. As I’ve written before, this is the ONLY pro-life stance that has any integrity. As for Rick’s performance in the debate, nothing newsworthy. Just another “red-blooded American” appealing to the far right base.

Michele Bachmann: It looks like I must abandon my wait for Bachmann’s fall. The Congresswoman from Minnesota just keeps rising and her debate performance, while not brilliant, was hardly the dumb-ass display we might have expected from someone who thinks Lexington-Concord took place in New Hampshire and our founding fathers ended slavery. One could see in this performance a cheer leader for the Tea Party with a degree of gravitas missing from her most closely aligned associate, Sarah Palin. In this sexist world of ours, Palin is almost too pretty. You, and I mean you Rich Lowry, want to bed Palin. But while Bachmann is a reasonably attractive woman, when you look at her you think of a mother, not a lover and you see someone who truly wants to be relevant. You can imagine Bachmann bouncing back from gaffes by doing a bit of study to avoid them in the future. Her best moment was when she referred to Obama as “someone far more eloquent than I” and then hanged him on his own words. I cannot believe I’m saying this but we need to keep our eye on Bachmann.

Newt Gingrich: Fresh from his campaign staff quitting en masse, Newt used the debate to lecture America in his usual nonsensical professorial way. Most telling was his intro where he departed from the pattern of very personal introductions (see reference to successful procreation above) and chose instead to open with a policy statement. This makes sense since Newt Gingrich is a serial adulterer with no moral standing. Like Santorum, but for different reasons, Newt is now a punchline. Time to move on.

Mitt Romney: Making the first debate appearance of his campaign, Romney acquitted himself well. Most pundits gave the night to him with Bachmann a close second. I am probably in the minority on this but I think Romney has made a good distinction between what he did in Massachusetts and what Obama has done on a federal level with health care reform. To me the strongest part of his argument is that dealing with health care should not be a federal responsibility, but should rest with the States. This makes anything he did in Massachusetts his prerogative. I also got a kick out of his assertion that Obama never called him to consult on HCR. If only Obama had called Romney, “Obamacare” might have gone down better! Sadly though, Mitt still looks like Michael Scott from NBC’s “The Office”, that boss who wants so desperately to fit in with his underlings and fails miserably. Pundits have said, he reminds you of the dude who laid you off yesterday.

Tim Pawlenty: Yes there are those who want to give him the rap accolade T-Paw but I simply call him “Punk Ass Beeyotch” (the Notorious P.A.B.). Just a day earlier on Fox News he coined the devastating term “Obamneycare” forever tying Mitt Romney to Barack Obama. When given the opportunity to hammer home his assault with Romney standing next to him, Pawlenty showed us the kind of leadership we can expect in the White House — he punted. I think Romney is a bit taller than Tim and maybe could have kicked his ass. Maybe that was too intimidating? Imagine President Pawlenty talking smack about Ahmadinejad and then entering into negotiations with him where P.A.B. capitulates on everything. The truth is Tim is a wimpy soft-spoken man who does his best to fake tough and fails. The debate only confirmed what I already thought … Pawlenty is a non-starter.

Ron Paul: I’m sorry but despite his racist past, I cannot resist watching Ron Paul in a debate. Whether it’s telling the truth about the war on drugs or on our wars in general, Paul is always a refreshing breath of air. He is the only candidate who actually suggests concrete policy changes that are truly radical, that take us in a new direction. And of course, America being what it is, he will never get elected talking like that.

Herman Cain: Normally I’d launch into a racially charged diatribe about the only black candidate being placed at the far right of the assembled candidates, physically marginalized from the get-go but it does not matter where you place Cain on the stage, the man brings that “I know nothing about the issues” Palin appeal to the masses and it has earned him big points in most recent polls.  Essentially Cain’s performance could have been matched by any one of the folks who regularly comment on this blog. He is a “regular guy” successful business man who, like Palin, uses his ignorance of politics as a badge of honor. (Of course, with Palin it’s a bizarre sort of badge to wear since she has been in politics much of her adult life.) His approach is, what have career politicians done for you lately? He made some murky remarks about not wanting Muslims to serve in his administration but he seemed to step it back a bit to make a distinction about radical Muslims. (Of course, Newt took that opportunity to double down on the Islamaphobia.)  Like Bachmann, Cain seems to be willing to learn and he made attempts at specific policy prescriptions. I would not totally rule out a Cain VP slot.

In the batting cage were three people who could mix things up a bit. The will-she-won’t-she Sarah Palin is still undecided on a Presidential run and her recent SarahPAC funded vacation did nothing to clarify her intentions. I am still hoping she runs just to see her and Bachmann face off on stage! The punditocracy claims that Pawlenty’s stumble last Monday night opens the door for Texas Governor Rick Perry to enter the race. I find the idea of secessionist running for President highly amusing. And besides, look at the last President Texas gave us. Last but not least there is Jon Huntsman who will announce his run in the next few days. Huntsman is what many of my readers call a RINO. He does not pass the far right conservative litmus test. Even more interesting, he must walk that fine line of opposing Obama and defending his own employment under Obama as Chinese Ambassador. On the bright side, the dude speaks fluent Mandarin, so he isn’t a dumb-ass. On the less bright side, he opens his pre-campaign by reminding people that he was in the never-heard-of rock band Wizard while invoking images of “Easy Rider” and being stoned in the 60’s on your motor cycle. While cryptic, it sure is original. I will be watching Huntsman closely as the man who could possibly beat Obama.

weiner with all the fixins

The Week We Lost Our Weiner

If you see the progressives in your neighborhood dressed in black this week it is because they are in mourning. On June 16, after a three-week roller coaster ride of lies, revealing photos and high school worthy word-plays, New York Democratic Representative Anthony Weiner finally gave into mounting pressure and resigned. The circus atmosphere at his resignation speech was entirely consistent with a scandal devoid of any sense of dignity.

What emerges for me from Weinergate is one overriding thing: rank hypocrisy. Everywhere you looked during this scandal you saw a hypocrite:

The Media: The mainstream media said they desperately wanted to get to serious business and Weiner was a distraction but they kept leading their broadcasts with him. A prime suspect was Chris Matthews who declared some relief on Friday that Weiner had resigned so things like the debt ceiling could be discussed, but who with final editorial judgment over his show, decided to lead with Weiner on every show for almost two weeks.

The Democratic Party: From Nancy Pelosi to Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Dem’s claimed they wanted Weiner to resign so he could “heal”. We all know that is plain and utter bullcrap. They don’t give one’s rat’s ass if Weiner heals. They want their anti-GOP talking points to take center stage again and not be overshadowed by one Congressman’s proclivity for exhibitionism.

The Republican Party: The party that gave us Larry Craig and David Vitter should do only one thing when a sex scandal emerges. STFU. Enough said.

The man himself: While it is true that Weiner never played the “family values” card like so many of his Republican counterparts, he was an outspoken advocate for moral causes, health care reform most notably. While no one is perfect, it does seem to me rank hypocrisy to talk about honesty and virtue in politics and then betray everyone around you with brazenly stupid behavior that you then try to lie to get out of.  The scandal makes a mockery out of one of Weiner’s finest moments when he talked about political courage.

What a terrible waste.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  • 1. Pfesser  |  June 18, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    Sorry to be off topic, but Shailey Tripp has had all charges dropped and is now free to talk about the pandering felonies of Todd Palin:

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/06/shailey-tripp-had-her-last-court.html

    Man. Did we ever do the right thing in shuffling Klondike Kardashian and her pimp-daddy husband off to Buffalo! And you thought Carter, Clinton and Bush were embarrassments…imagine THAT dynamic duo representing our interests around the world.

  • 2. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 18, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    R, I left two presents for you in the last thread.

    You won’t like them, but you have a choice to make. You can maintain your integrity which was the basis of our association, or you can continue to mouth your party’s line the careful journalist’s reporting (I almost typed that without laughing. Almost.)

    Your choice, sport.

  • 3. Pfesser  |  June 18, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    OH MY GOD. I just did a potful of research on Rick Perry; I had never heard of him. This is the dude who declared a day of prayer in order to end the Texas drought. (FWIW it didn’t work.)

    I see you know about Santorum – and santorum. Good stuff. This guy I know – WELL. He was born in Winchester, VA – same as my darling Patsy Cline, and spent some time in Berkley County, WV. He is a conservative Catholic idealogue. His anti gay-rights statements, er – backfired on him so it would seem.

    Dan Savage created a Website defining the term “santorum,” and offered to take it down if Santorum (with a capital S) would donate $5m to a gay-rights group promoting same-sex marriage. And who says actions don’t have consequences…

  • 4. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 18, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    If she can back up these claims, which she swears she can, this may be just as big of a scandal as babygate.

    As what? Seriously? “Babygate”? St. Andy of the Milky Loads gets a wild hair to spelunk in Palin’s uterus, and the left’s far fringes convince themselves on the basis, well, of nothing more than Andy’s fweeeewings and their own expertise as amateur gynos that Trig isn’t hers, and its not just a “scandal”, but a “big scandal”? What color is the sky on your planet?

    If they are false, then Sarah and Todd Palin will have no choice but to respond to them.

    Uhhh oh. Someone failed logic. But then, it is often a symptom of advanced PDS. Just ask R, as the mere mention of her name will cause him to type in third with his brain in neutral.
    I hate to disappoint you genius, but it isn’t up to them to prove a negative. It doesn’t work that way in court, and although the legacy media has worked hard to make it the case IRL, simply repeting an unsubstantiated falsehood only works on the feeblemined…like those who vote Democrat because they believe they are compassionate towards the poor and minorities, and those who bathe in the smug superiority of their own intellectual abilites, even when it is contrary to everything that surrounds and envelopes them.

  • 5. fakename2  |  June 18, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    As for Romney, he probably is truly the most qualified of the group, but he lacks.a certain… something. Charisma? And he needs less perfect hair. The hair is too John Edwards-ish. But really, I can never see Romney without thinking of Gail Collins of the NYT. She never, ever mentions his name without bringing up the fact that he went on a family vacation with his Irish setter Seamus strapped to the roof. (In a crate, one assumes.)

  • 6. fakename2  |  June 18, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    I just read Pfesser’s link. I had no idea, and still don’t have, any idea whatsoever who Shailey Tripp is. I was amused that the National Enquirer has total confidence in the validity of her story. Although it’s possible I shouldn’t be so dismissive, speaking of John Edwards.

  • 7. Rutherford  |  June 18, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    I’m at a neighborhood picnic and can’t peruse Pfesser’s link at the moment but the Enquirer is a 50-50 proposition for credibility.

  • 8. Rutherford  |  June 18, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    BiW the defense of Paul Revere “history” is not totally new to me. I saw someone on TV defending Palin by very carefully parsing her words. However, I will read your links and decide whether they are worthy of a retraction on my part. :-)

  • 9. Alfie  |  June 18, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    One of the things I find amusing about the Palin/Revere story is how deep so many superficial folks try to dive.
    The touted comments from the Suffolk Univ prof seems to have some folks excited and are held up as a major Palin defense. I offer a link of said interview at NPR.
    On the flip side I also offer a link to a transcript of Reveres account himself see masshistorg.
    I believe anyone that thinks Revere (and Dawes & Prescott) were warning the British is using very careless application of revisionism.
    Clearly Revere was a Patriot of the highest order and not too concerned with the preservation of the colonial status quo. His actions were meant to alarm the citizens of the coming British operation and more importantly warn Hancock and Adams.
    I don’t think Palin dumb for this,I do believe at best she misspoke and refuses to recant and she does so secondary to the political application of revisionist historical analysis.

  • 10. Alfie  |  June 18, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    In 1983 Mitt made meticulous attempts to offer a dog a way to go on the family vacation.Built a windshield for what it was worth. The rule above all though is this: No f@#$ing thumbs equals you’re on the roof.Dogs are great,much better than cats who deserve to be stowed with the spare tire,but alas they are lower mammals,property period.
    Over the years Mitt & family have actually rescued humans and a dog whilst on vacation.

  • 11. Alfie  |  June 18, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    What emerges for me from Weinergate is one overriding thing: rank hypocrisy. Everywhere you looked during this scandal you saw a hypocrite:

    But surely the worse case is Weiner and his defenders. Nobody can speak out that the (D) instead of an (R) was a help,ultimately liars always get what they deserve,always.
    Remember it wasn’t the blowjob for Willie or the weiner tweet that caused the biggest furor,it was the lies.

  • 12. Tex Taylor  |  June 18, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Rutherford, this comment to be was too good to pass up on a dead thread. It’s something that can’t be dismissed, because for all of your supposed intellectual superiority and Ivy League “elitism” (** guffaw **), in many ways you are truly a profoundly ignorant man.

    There is no doubt that those who defend the imbecile Palin are imbeciles themselves. We were NOT at 4.4% unemployment at the end of the Bush Administration. If you count the “Bush administration” as January 20th 2001 then yes, our country was in real peachy shape. Look at the Bush administration on January 19, 2009 — not so much.

    Before I point out for the millionth time your fiscal/monetary deficiencies, I got to ask. Who are you to tell people to STFU when you are so personally, consistently wrong about everything? And I do mean everything. Obama is the sorriest excuse in our lifetime for a President. The man is a disgrace and embarrassment, a danger to this country, hopelessly lost and over his head.

    The fact that Obama is even considered the Dimocratic candidate shows how futile & hopeless the Dimocratic party has become. If only the Obama voters were suddenly left in this country, you guys couldn’t manage for six weeks before America would become mob rule and out of Africa. Total chaos; total lawlessness.

    I can not at this moment come up with anybody in the Dimocratic party that even begins to show talent, much less the ability to lead. Not one.

    Your predictions have been so awful, you’ve become the butt of jokes on your own blog, Tweaking you has become as easy as tweaking Yeller Dawg. Do you not have the sense to turn beat red and cop a little humility at recognizing how pathetic you and your own party have become – especially your pitiful attempts at prediction and insight?

    Stop embarrassing yourself Tex and just admit, this is a media personality who was good at the not-so-taxing job of running a state (Alaska) that no one ever thinks about … and even at that job, she generated so much scrutiny and ill will that she had to resign from office.

    Palin wasn’t force to resign. That’s another lie you’ve told. Palin was fed up with 13 frivolous laws brought about by the pricks & hyenas of your party and said screw it. Pisses me off that she quit, as I would have liked her to counter sue for liable and slander and expose the bullies and liars, but that’s difficult to prove for a public official. Rutherford,anybody fair knows you Dimocrats are a bunch of losers, only capable of propaganda and mob rule. My Gawd – look at the country now. You’re a party to creeps and deviants bent on taking everybody else down with them.

    This is what it has come to for your party – out of ideas and all the ones you’ve tried dismal failures, now you have to focus on the one thing you do well – lie and personal destruction. How’s that worked out for you?

  • 13. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 18, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Remember it wasn’t the blowjob for Willie or the weiner tweet that caused the biggest furor,it was the lies.

    Bbbbbbut ALLLLLFFFIIEEEEEE! They only lied because those evil conservatives exposed their lies and threatened their ability to keep working hard for YOU!

  • 14. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 18, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Besides, I’m not concerned about Tony.

    Aside from making the use of the word “Weiner” acceptable in adult conversation, he has a generous pension, and will no doubt be sharing his carefully consider opinions from a progressive think tank (that was close…putting “progressive” and “think” in the same sentance always hazards the risk of creating a singularity that will destroy the universe in a senseless act of illogic) publically, and indecent proposals privately very soon. I’m ok with that, since he will only be able to betray his wife (again) and anyone stupid enough to employ him, rather than voters, who have every right to expect fidelity and honesty that he chose not to deliver.

  • 15. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 18, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    If only the Obama voters were suddenly left in this country, you guys couldn’t manage for six weeks before America would become mob rule and out of Africa. Total chaos; total lawlessness.

    But he was right to circumvent bankruptcy law for Government Motors and Chrysler! Just ask the UAW.
    Oh, and pay no attention to the law and history behind the curtain…

    (See, Studebaker, AMC, and Packard)

  • 16. Tex Taylor  |  June 18, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    The Left is ‘never going to like us, so let’s stop trying to curry favor with them.’ - Rick Perry

    Finally, someone in the Republican party is getting a clue. That perception alone should win Perry another ten million votes.

    I’ll go one further. Treat these failures like the enemy and you’ll win the election. Hang that miserable Presidential record around Obama’s neck every second, every day,in every forum – no need to be polite about it.

  • 17. El Tigre  |  June 18, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Read your link, PF. Shailey Tripp seems to be a credible source and it all makes perfect sense too. Thank God we have guys like you on the job when it comes to those Palins. :roll:

  • 18. Tex Taylor  |  June 18, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Tigre….did you happen to notice the header of the blog that was linked? :twisted:

    Morality is not determined by the church you attend nor the faith you embrace. It is determined by the quality of your character and the positive impact you have on those you meet along your journey

    I wonder who determines the quality of character? The prostitutes? This sounds like the creators of those idiot “COexist” stickers that the aging hippies and young, unwashed skanks wear with pride on their filthy bumpers.

  • 19. Tex Taylor  |  June 18, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Pfesser,

    This has got to be your Alaskan “Blog” Buddies. The Sweet Atheist,Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins fans?

    The “Progressive Alaska” Blogger’s Alliance? :lol: You’ve latched on to these louses? Ed Schultz material?

    No wonder you vote for Obama. That’s some positive impact.

  • 20. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 18, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    “I would have preferred a panel of journalists but then let’s not forget, this is the Palin Era where journalists are to be bypassed.”

    You’re blaming Sarah Palin for the format of a debate she didnt even participate in?

    You really need to see a fucking doctor, man.

    Seriously…..

    “If they are false, then Sarah and Todd Palin will have no choice but to respond to them.”

    I like this logic and look forward to hearing Obama’s response to this accusation of old.

    But until he comes out and formally denies it, I guess we are forced to assume it is the truth.

    “I’m at a neighborhood picnic and can’t peruse Pfesser’s link at the moment but the Enquirer MSM is a 50-50 proposition for credibility.”

  • 21. Rutherford  |  June 19, 2011 at 12:17 am

    in many ways you are truly a profoundly ignorant man.

    Tex, you haven’t even addressed the first quote that you copied from me. Please tell me again how the Bush administration was a financial success? I’m just too financially stupid to get it … so please dumb it down for me. Clinton’s unemployment rate his first year of office (1993) was 6.9% and it was it was down to 4 in his last full year in office (1). Bush started with a 4.7% and jacked it up to 6.0 by 2003 (so no blaming a Democrat controlled Congress). In his last full year (2008) he was already back up to 5.8 after a couple of good years and then left Obama at 9.3%. So yes, this profoundly ignorant man (me) really needs an education on why Bush was a brilliant financial President.

    Refute what I wrote instead of writing another attack on Obama full of generalizations and ad-homs.

    As for Palin, no, she was not forced to resign. But it is not the rule that Governors wind up in so much legal hot water that they must quit their jobs to go work for Fox so the legal bills don’t bankrupt them. That is not the way things go down normally. But of course, she was and always will be the victim. She plays the politics of the aggrieved like a fine violin. She stands toe to toe with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson in the politics of grievance. But one thing is interesting. Sharpton and Jackson are aggrieved on behalf of a people. Palin is always aggrieved on behalf of …. Palin. :-)

  • 22. Rutherford  |  June 19, 2011 at 12:23 am

    But he was right to circumvent bankruptcy law for Government Motors and Chrysler!

    Please tell me again why we should hate Obama for reviving the American auto industry? Companies are doing well now without the extreme collateral damage that the normal bankruptcy process would have caused.

  • 23. Rutherford  |  June 19, 2011 at 12:26 am

    The Left is ‘never going to like us, so let’s stop trying to curry favor with them.’ - Rick Perry

    Rick Perry is a moron. Who on the right is trying to curry favor with the left? It isn’t happening. On the contrary, the left have been a bunch of pussies for the past two years constantly looking to compromise with the right with the Compromiser-in-Chief being Barack Obama.

  • 24. Rutherford  |  June 19, 2011 at 12:35 am

    LOL Huck … I offer the olive branch of admitting that an Enquirer endorsement might not be anything to crow about and you smack me with it, taking a swipe at the MSM. I just can’t win. :roll:

    As for “blaming Palin”, jeesh I think you need to take a Valium on this one. I was not suggesting that non-participant Palin dictated the rules of debate … SILLY … I was saying that it is the Palin-inspired political climate we are in that dictated the rules of debate. Before the “era of Palin”, no one would have considered completely bypassing journalists to get the message out. She has changed the rules of politics-as-usual. It is one of the reasons no one can figure out exactly what she is going to do next.

    P.S. I slightly revise that last paragraph … I was just reading an article today about how Roger Ailes (Godfather of Fox News) first used this “bypass the media” approach to push Richard Nixon back onto center stage in the years leading up to 1968.

  • 25. Rutherford  |  June 19, 2011 at 12:37 am

    It is complete and utter confirmation of the sad state of the current Republican slate that virtually no one is actually commenting on that part of the article. Hard to admit Obama will win a second term because …
    you
    got
    nuthin’. (1)

    (1) Exception possibly being Jon Huntsman as noted above.

  • 26. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 19, 2011 at 12:43 am

    “But it is not the rule that Governors wind up in so much legal hot water that they must quit their jobs to go work for Fox so the legal bills don’t bankrupt them.”

    What legal hot water, Rutherford? Please be specific. What specific legal case(s) put Palin in “hot water”?

    The answer should be easy to find since her emails are out.

    “That is not the way things go down normally.”

    Legal harassment isn’t how things go down normally, either. Bogus lawsuits by people like you were going to cost her state a lot of money.

    They weren’t bogus, you say? Prove it! You guys never prove anything you say about Palin because you can’t. Because it’s all bullshit.

    Prove me wrong…..

  • 27. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 19, 2011 at 12:52 am

    “Hard to admit Obama will win a second term because …
    you
    got
    nuthin’. (1)”

    I’m pretty sure the jury’s still out on that.

    Obama wasn’t the frontrunner by this time in 2007.

    I am not commenting on that portion because I didn’t watch the debate. I find it pretty pointless at this stage.

    “I was saying that it is the Palin-inspired political climate we are in that dictated the rules of debate. Before the “era of Palin”, no one would have considered completely bypassing journalists to get the message out. ”

    Or maybe CNN knew that if their people were asking the questions it would be suspect? (Just tossing that out there. As I said, I didn’t watch)

  • 28. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 19, 2011 at 12:55 am

    “I offer the olive branch of admitting that an Enquirer endorsement might not be anything to crow about and you smack me with it, taking a swipe at the MSM. I just can’t win.”

    But it wasn’t a swipe at you!

  • 29. Rutherford  |  June 19, 2011 at 1:18 am

    OK BiW let’s play your game:

    Sarah Palin: “He [Revere] warned the British that they weren’t going to be taking away our arms by ringing those bells and making sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were gonna be free.”

    William Jacobson, who makes it clear that a law degree from Cornell is next to worthless, is charitable to Palin to say the least. The historically accurate version of the story indicates that Revere was stopped by the British during his ride and he told them that he had warned his fellow colonists about their presence. He did not give them this information while on horseback, ringing bells or firing warning shots. Jacobson’s article goes on to assert that bells were rung. So what? Not by Revere. They were rung as was the custom, to communicate from house to house and town to town in a Morse code sort of way what was going on. Revere himself didn’t ring a damn bell or shoot a damn gun. And he certainly wasn’t making any second amendment statements as Palin’s quote implies … of course there was no second amendment at the time. :roll:

    Palin took a little known fact about Revere’s ride and completely botched the communication of it. She is a prime example of the failure of our secondary and college school systems in that they often fail to teach people how to integrate facts and properly communicate them. Sarah, to her credit, learned this tidbit about Revere but completely twisted the fact in her mind … or simply her mouth … to make it a prime target for ridicule. If she had said, “after riding through the towns yelling ‘the British are coming’, he was stopped by the enemy and told them we were prepared for them”, that might have opened her up to less ridicule and perhaps even sent more folks to the Net to see what she was talking about. Of course, that also makes Revere sound like a traitor to the colonists so that opens up a whole other can of worms.

    It is very much akin to Michele Bachmann’s claim that our founding fathers ended slavery. No doubt she made the logical leap of “All men are created equal” to the odd conclusion that this ended slavery. She might have said “our founding fathers professed ideals that would lay the groundwork for the end of slavery a century or so later”. That is what an intelligent person would have said. But we no longer demand true intelligence anymore. As long as you approximate fact, it is ok for us to ignore that you really sound like a dumbass.

    Bachmann and Palin, my friend Consigliere, are the byproduct of the “everybody gets an award” syndrome. You know that new way of doing things where all the kids on the team get some sort of recognition regardless of their talent. “Everyone’s a winner”. Well no … everyone is not a winner and any old regurgitation of history no matter how flawed does not merit academic accolades.

    Or to put it more succinctly in the words of Keith Olbermann: “That woman is an idiot.” :-)

  • 30. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 19, 2011 at 1:26 am

    “Imagine President Pawlenty talking smack about Ahmadinejad and then entering into negotiations with him where P.A.B. capitulates on everything.”

    Who needs to imagine? We’ve had a P.A.B. like that as president since 2009.

    Regarding the Weiner portion of your post, I am sorry to see how badly you missed the mark on the way the media handled the whole thing.

    Your only gripe is that they wanted to keep talking about it? No comments on the unquestioning defense some of them put up for the guy? Just that they wouldn’t STFU about it?

  • 31. Rutherford  |  June 19, 2011 at 1:35 am

    Prove me wrong…..

    Well why don’t we start with the disputed “Troopergate”. State legislative investigation finds ethics violation and Sarah’s own requested independent investigation finds her squeaky clean. That’s one place where the facts hardly point to an unfairly harassed Governor.

    Seems to me that frivolous lawsuits can be dispensed with rather quickly, especially if you are the most powerful person in the State. But you still buy the notion that for the good of Alaska, Sarah resigned?

  • 32. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 19, 2011 at 1:40 am

    Rutherford,

    I didn’t waste the pixels commenting on your vapid review of the debate/candidates because you are incapable of understanding what republicans may or may not see in a candidate…you simply cannot help but to look at a candidate through your cracked prism, which is why you make idiotic remarks like the one about Huntsman above.

    Let me give you a small tip: Huntsman’s candidacy has about as much chance as Cain’s.

    William Jacobson, who makes it clear that a law degree from Cornell is next to worthless,

    Oh genius boy, you might want to work on your reading comprehension.
    Professor Jacobson didn’t get his law degree from Olberdouche’s Alma Matter, he teaches there. He graduated from Harvard Law, you know, the same school that supposedly made your hero a genius, despite the apparent dearth of ny law review articles penned by the Law Review Prez himself, except Jacobson actually practices law, and didn’t give up his license (Protip: You don’t put the time and effort into getting the degree or degrees, and passing the bar or bars, only to “voluntarily” give up your license. You only do that when they are going to take it from you if you don’t surrender it.)
    You might think about it for a minute.

    As for me being part of the everyone gets an award mentality? No. That would be those who believe in dubious notions like redistribution of wealth or “social justice”. And Oblerdouche is the last person who should be calling anyone an idiot. The man’s had his intellectual lunch stolen from him so often that the inanition finally took hold. Aat least Juan Williams can rest easy. He isn’t the Left’s only living brain donor any longer.

  • 33. Rutherford  |  June 19, 2011 at 1:41 am

    Huck, I didn’t see an unquestioning defense. Whether it was comedy (Jon Stewart) going to town on lack of “certitude” or Chris Matthews’ Hardball expressing disbelief at Weiner’s defense from the get-go, I didn’t see the media completely buy his story. My gripe with them is this faux outrage that they had better things to report and couldn’t. Editorial control carries with it responsibility. If the story is beneath you, don’t report it.

  • 34. Rutherford  |  June 19, 2011 at 1:44 am

    he teaches there.

    You caught me in an error. Yes I was implying he got his degree there even though I did notice that he teaches there. BUT, my comment still stands …. if his article is any evidence of the quality of instruction at Cornell, so much for any law degree you might get there. And from your opinion of Olbermann, I would imagine you agree with me. ;-)

  • 35. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 19, 2011 at 1:44 am

    Seems to me that frivolous lawsuits can be dispensed with rather quickly, especially if you are the most powerful person in the State.

    SEEMS to you?

    Rutherford, leave the lawyering to lawyers.
    Frivolous suits are not easily dispensed with by virtue of your position. And frankly, many of them get much farther than they should, taking up an inordinate amount of time, and costing a pretty penny.
    But please, continue making stupid statements based on what things SEEM to you, because that is a great basis on which to hang your hat…especially if you have to defend it.

  • 36. Rutherford  |  June 19, 2011 at 1:47 am

    BiW, I’m awaiting your response to the meat of my Revere comment. Like Tex, you’re distracting rather than replying. Just admit it … Palin should stick to talking about hunting animals from helicopters and leave the historical analysis to the pro’s. ;-)

  • 37. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 19, 2011 at 1:49 am

    if his article is any evidence of the quality of instruction at Cornell, so much for any law degree you might get there.

    Informed, no doubt, by your outstanding knowledge regarding instruction in law and legal training.

    And I didn’t catch you in an error, I caught you being lazy while talking about something you know very little about.

  • 38. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 19, 2011 at 2:00 am

    You’re right, R.

    Revere didn’t ring the bells. He just rode to made sure others did. And while he told the British that the colonists were waiting, he didn’t ‘warn’ them.

    Wow. What an idiot. Damn. We sure dodged a bullet on that. Not at all like The Fresh Prez of Bill Ayers speechifying about the Statute of Liberty and saying something like this:

    He concluded his remarks at American University with the moving story of Emma Lazarus, the woman who wrote the sonnet, “The New Colossus,” for the Statue of Liberty, in 1883.

    President Obama said Lazarus was “inspired by what she saw and heard, she wrote down her thoughts and donated a piece of work to help pay for the construction of a new statue – the Statue of Liberty which actually was funded in part by small donations from people across America.”

    Except it wasn’t actually true.

    http://www.nps.gov/stli/index.htm

    Good thing we never elected a boob incapable of getting the historical facts remotely correct, huh? I guess we dodged a bullet there. Other wise, we might need a corpse man. I wonder if we have them in all 57 states?

  • 39. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 19, 2011 at 2:25 am

    Please tell me again why we should hate Obama for reviving the American auto industry?

    He did nothing of the sort. Sales are lackluster, the only person buying the near-useless Volt is Uncle Sam (at a pretty cost to the taxpayer), and we have very little chance of getting our substantial investment in it back out, especially since the Obama Brain Trust just had an IPO for substantially less than we paid for it. Unemployment in the industry is still high, the Unions get to reach directly into the corporate treasury, rather than the shitty reach around they have done my entire life, and quality CEO’s won’t get near GM. In addition, the “special “bankruptcy process (the one that violated the law and the secured creditors and didn’t use any lube) also resulted in huge tax writeoffs for the company that wouldn’t be available in real bankruptcy, because those losses would be wiped out.
    And Chrysler? I guess if you think sticking tthe American taxpayer with the debt and losses and selling everything else to Fiat in a sweetheart deal, then yes, He “revived” the industry. I’m sure that is just cracking them up on the eight floor board room of Ford in Dearborn.

    Companies are doing well now without the extreme collateral damage that the normal bankruptcy process would have caused.

    Umm, clueless, the damage is still coming, and delaying it with pots and pots full of taxpayer dollars was an unforgivably bone-headed thing to do.

    But hey, since we are still owed $51 Billion, I might have a different standard for success than you do. Well, tht and growing up in Flint and watching the UAW’s inexcusable sloth and greed combined with stupid managment tricks bring down one of the greatest corporations known to man.

  • 40. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 19, 2011 at 3:29 am

    “Troopergate…”

    Fair enough. When I read “legal hot water” I guess I assumed you meant something that would actually have gotten her in trouble.

  • 41. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 19, 2011 at 3:35 am

    “Seems to me that frivolous lawsuits can be dispensed with rather quickly, especially if you are the most powerful person in the State.”

    So you point to Troopergate…which is basically abuse of power…as something wrong she got caught doing.

    Then you say she should have been able to use her power to make lawsuits go away…which is basically abuse of power.

    Isn’t that sort of “damned if you do and damned if you don’t”?

  • 42. PFesser  |  June 19, 2011 at 7:06 am

    A friend of mine and I were having a little conversation yesterday about the “PATRIOT” act, Franklin’s quote on essential liberties, safety and deserving neither, and my buddy later sent me this: (probably bogus, but very true IMHO – this is precisely how the Congress was terrorized into passing that sonofabitch to begin with)

    “Here is a quote which has been going around the Intenet since 2001, having the apperance of being from Julius Ceasar. However, it appears that the quote may have been started as an Internet Hoax. Nonetheless, it is very applicable to our times, and is quoted here as an example how mankind is so easily influenced and controlled by fear of those in power; beware the Drums of War:

    The Drums of War:

    “Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.

    And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so.

    How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.”

  • 43. PFesser  |  June 19, 2011 at 7:17 am

    fakename2 –
    “I had no idea, and still don’t have, any idea whatsoever who Shailey Tripp is.”

    What you are seeing is bloggers slowly driving the MSM out of business. The are constantly being denigrated by same, but when a story breaks, it’s the bloggers who do it.

    Don’t quote me because I may have some details wrong, but as I understand it, Shailey Tripp is a local massage therapist in Anchorage, I believe. She claims that Todd Palin had a little business going, training hookers to provide sex for pay, primarily placing these girls in various companies as a sort of in-house source. (Sorry – already checked. My wife says we do not need an in-house hooker for the radiology business.) All indications so far are that it is true, but let’s wait and see if he is indicted. Shailey was implicated and indicted, but had all charges dropped last week. Now let’s see what they do with Todd, if anything.

    It’s pretty useful having a line to the Alaska bloggers. When Willow and some friends broke into a house and trashed it last year, initially they were going to prosecute the boys (but not the girls. Girls, Willow, get it?) Then the bloggers took up the hue and cry and now we hear nothing of Anybody being prosecuted.

    Alaska politics. Probably the only place in America worse than WV.

  • 44. PFesser  |  June 19, 2011 at 7:28 am

    re: the presidents’ “financial success.”

    OK Rutherford, I think I can dumb it down for your, although I am quite sure you don’t need it.

    When you spend everything you make and everything you can borrow, you look extremely successful. My older brother called this, forgive me, “nigger rich.” This is how GWB looked as he did exactly that. We lived high on the hog, but all on borrowed money.

    Now he is gone and all these credit card bills must be paid. While I’m no fan of Bo’s, fair is fair, and saddling him with the credit for the current financial disaster almost exclusively created by his predecessor is patently wrong.

  • 45. fakename2  |  June 19, 2011 at 9:27 am

    As long as we’ve segued into Sarah Palin (!), I never thought she resigned as governor for any sort of alleged “trouble” she might or not have been in, nor did I buy the “saving the state from frivolous lawsuits”. I think it was probably more about boredom. She’d just concluded her vice-presidential run and found there was a big world out there where she was adored, and it looked like that adoration could be turned into money. It so reminds me of the WWI song “How Ya Gonna Keep ‘em Down on the Farm (After They’ve Seen Paree)?”
    Shameless self-promotion is not a crime. It’s good work if you can get it. She is an idiot, but the people who adore her are worse idiots. It does amuse me that only on the Rutherford Blog will you find otherwise intelligent people trying to find a way to defend her. It must hurt to twist yourself into such a tortuous position.

  • 46. PFesser  |  June 19, 2011 at 9:35 am

    fakename –

    I think you hit it perfectly. She was bored. She didn’t want to do the work. When she was mayor of Wasilla, she had such difficulty staying on task that they hired a town manager to do her everyday duties for her. The everyday humdrum of being governor was overwhelming and she did not want to have to deal every day with all the ethic charges that were coming in. Not to say they were true although I believe some were, they were just exhausting to deal with.

    I think she got tangled up with some GOP operatives who said, “Look: this gal is cute, charismatic, has a dynamite rump and could make a lot of money” and they approached her with a plan.

    It has worked perfectly. As long as her communications are one-way (via twitter, facebook, et al) and she doesn’t field any questions, they ALL get rich, including Queen Esther. As for the credulous masses who keep sending her money, all I can say is to quote William Claude Dukenfield: It is immoral for a sucker to keep his money.

  • 47. Tex Taylor  |  June 19, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Rutherford, profoundly ignorant and blatantly dishonest. You’re upset with your standing, you realize your philosophy slipping away, and so you lash out. That much I have figured out what drives these. When you were still flying high, you were making predictions of the death of Conservatism, remember?

    But I’ve grown tired of priggish posts from a first class hypocrite. Weiner level hypocrite.

    How is it again that you and Pfesser want to excuse the Affirmative Action President after 30 months of a deplorable record again? It’s Bush’s fault is still the mantra? Where’s the magic that was promised?

    I’ll tackle Claire’s idiocy later today – and man, is she liberal stupid. Shooting fish in a barrel to demonstrate her stupidity. She’s toast and as good as gone next year. Add that to your list of fallen heroes.

    But let’s review Obama first, before I contrast his record of the better part of three years of Obama with Bush’s first three years.

    ————-

    Remember, Zero the Affirmative Action Loser for President, made as one of his campaign promises to half the deficit. If you need proof, I’ll be happy to provide the video. Then Zero proceeded to tripled the annual deficit in year 1, repeated in year 2, and this year is projected to top them all in year 3. I can understand how you would come to the conclusion that a success – the same idea of success of raiding the 401K plan with penalty to pay for a depreciating asset success. And I think that’s a pretty good analogy of how utterly bankrupt your conclusions.

    First, it worth remembering that Blammo knew fully well what kind of shape the economy was in when he campaigned, because TARP was well into full swing when Obama made his initial boasts. I can happily prove that with video straight from Obama’s mouth, if need be with dates from Fall 2008. But that is not all – that’s only for starters of the mendacity.

    You like to boast that Blammo lowered “all of our taxes.” Like I’ve said before, our family’s huge tax cut amounted to about two Happy Meals a week lowered. And as long as you ignore that Pres. Zero added $3.2 Trillion to the deficit from Jan. 2009 to Sept. 2010, of which, you’ll be able to add another $1.582 Trillion to the deficit this year through September, you’re technically correct. That’s creeping mightily close to the $5 trillion now that is pure President Obama, his Highness with a majority Dimocratic Congress. Can’t blame that on Bush or a Republican – you owned it all during the first two years. By the way – that’s almost a 1/3 of the entire U.S. Historical Debt in approximately 30 months.

    Obama while he was “lowering our taxes”, also promised if he spent $862 billion in “shovel ready projects”, he would guarantee unemployment would never climb above 8.0%. In fact, it climbed above 10% with almost a trillion dollars of debt that added nothing. Everybody knows the only reason reported unemployment has dipped is that people are falling off the roles. It’s a ruse that government plays.

    Real unemployment is estimated hovering near 20%, Moody’s has once again threatened to lowering our debt rating, our dollar is deteriorating – even against the Euro, consumer staple commodities are up 70%, gasoline now $4.00 a gallon (who knew Obama in cahoots with big oil), 1/3 of real estate mortgages are underwater, the misery index at its highest in 28 years, annual growth rate was 1.1% for the last reported quarter. Want me to talk about consumer confidence, manufacturing, regulatory costs, Obamacare, and inflation?

    Rutherford, I say you’re profoundly ignorant, because for your $13 a week tax cut, your family incurred a debt of $47,260 for your family of three, or $15,753 per U.S. citizen. That is nothing but a deferred tax increase.

    And your promises for Obama taking care of the little guy? The six biggest banks in the United States now possess assets equivalent to 60 percent of America’s gross national product. You want to see the end result of Obama’s policies? Detroit and South Chicago. Decent three bedroom homes in the city of Detroit can be bought for $10,000, but no one wants to buy them.

    How about a Harvard Economist opinion? He adds a few more details for just how pathetic the Dimocrats have been since 2006.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303657404576363984173620692.html

    Now that we’ve cleared that up about the dismal failure of Obama and Rutherford’s plan, I can move on to the insufferable Claire McCaskill.

  • 48. Tex Taylor  |  June 19, 2011 at 10:50 am

    From the Parking Lot Attendant:

    It does amuse me that only on the Rutherford Blog will you find otherwise intelligent people trying to find a way to defend her. It must hurt to twist yourself into such a tortuous position.

    What amuses me darling is how you magically disappeared after our last encounter. You didn’t twist – you ran. You didn’t take my bet sister? Surely somebody as magically flexible and gifted as you can follow up this time? :wink:

    The bet still holds….let me know when you’re ready to pose.

  • 49. El Tigre  |  June 19, 2011 at 10:51 am

    PF, if you idiots wouldn’t follow Palin around to trash for your amusement what then? A rash of prostitution rings run from governor’s mansions across the country and false claims of illegitmate handicapped children swapped like baseball cards? Keep up the good work. . . :roll:

    Even if everything you say about her is true, do you and Rutherford have any concept of how foolish you sound? Shallow and childish. Honestly.

    This must never happen again. Had Rutherford not been exposed, he could’ve risen through the ranks at Fat Grannies by pandering to the made up standards of butch, man-hating, feminists that think they control the agenda of those that are furtile and actually have a chance of getting pregnant with the involvment of a male. Thank God someone with apparent connections to the Connecticut blogging commmunity revealed his identity so those with intiative could learn all the internet has to offer about him.

    Next stop: R proving that child he talks about his (which we all know is impossible if she’s black when the self-proclaimed daddy goes to Manilow concerts).

    Anyway, Happy Father’s Day to all of the “real” fathers.

  • 50. Tex Taylor  |  June 19, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Rick Perry is a moron.

    Such a moron, he governed over almost 2/5th’s of the new jobs created during that mental CORPSEMAN genius of a President’s term that we’re counting the days now.

    Looks to me like we could use a lot more “morons” and many, many less geniuses. How did those staunchly liberal big time, cash for clunker, job creators in Connecticut work our for you personally?

    Contemplate that while in the roach motel – you’ll have plenty of time to ruminate about it.

  • 51. Raji  |  June 19, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Talk about beating a dead horse! Sarah Palin is smart like a fox, everyone knows her name.
    Even during the Clinton fiasco, the media declared a Monica Free Monday. Can’t we at least have a Sarah Free Sunday? :lol:

  • 52. El Tigre  |  June 19, 2011 at 10:58 am

    “the Notorious P.A.B.” :lol: :lol:

    Okay. That was good.

    But your assesment of the “debates” doesn’t lend itself to much commentary R. We see you and your friends at MSNBC endorse Huntsman. Got it. But he wasn’ there. And since Obama has a lock for his heroic assisination of OBL, why bother watching?

  • 53. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 19, 2011 at 11:21 am

    I forgot about that.

    Obama “Killed” OBL, but Paul Revere didn’t “ring the bells”.

    Sounds like “historical revisionism” to me.

  • 54. El Tigre  |  June 19, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Don’t forget the staged photos of Obama’s selfless act of raw courage. :roll:

  • 55. El Tigre  |  June 19, 2011 at 11:35 am

    The left seems to endorse Huntsman. So he’s out. . .

  • 56. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 19, 2011 at 11:49 am

    PF, if you idiots wouldn’t follow Palin around to trash for your amusement what then?

    It would be some other ‘unacceptable” conservative pol.

    Never ever would they concentrate their razor-like critical eye on the idiots that actually hold high office. Their time must be spent focusing like a laser beam on the threat to the intellectual integrity of the republic that Governor Palin might pose, rather than the threats that are actually making us an idiocracy.

  • 57. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 19, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    “It’s pretty useful having a line to the Alaska bloggers…”

    But not useful enough to ever cite them here?

    “This is how GWB looked as he did exactly that. We lived high on the hog, but all on borrowed money.

    Now he is gone and all these credit card bills must be paid.”

    In your dumbing down, you forgot 1 thing….

    The facts.

    And they took me a whole 1 minute to find.

    “Not to say they were true although I believe some were, they were just exhausting to deal with.”

    But they weren’t expensive? Lawyers for such things are free? Rutherford seems to think so.

  • 58. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 19, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    On a side note, I hope all the dads have a good Father’s Day!

    Even the liberal ones……

  • 59. fakename2  |  June 19, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    And you wonder why I’m not here often? (Actually, there are lots of reasons.) One is that watching people twist themselves in knots to defend the indefensible gets old. At some point it stops being funny. Then there are comments like #49, which brings new meaning to the word “repulsive”.

  • 60. Tex Taylor  |  June 19, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    Actually Raji, I find this Sarah Palin obsession from the Obama lackeys fascinating – and their hatred and contempt for such an assortment of reasons.

    Rutherford’s charges are tedious and mundane because it’s a repeat of the same drummed up baloney; we know those by heart here on the blog. The Fat Grannies crowd is also predictable, because most of them are imbeciles and parrots – whatever one says, the other is sure to repeat it. Cue the Grandma Helen rant, and you’ll get the sycophantic fawning, followed by old crow cawing. The Jerry Springer show, replete with losers and debased sponges.

    But a few provide an intellectual curiosity — some like Pfesser can actually be very sane and quite insightful on occasion. Then you mention Palin, and they go loco. Todd Palin and his sexual slave/whorehouse trade? Did you see that site Pfesser linked? Alliance of Progressive bloggers. :lol: At first, I thought it parody, until I realized Pfesser was as serious an M.I.

    These are the most fun to figure out. I’m pretty sure being Pfesser is Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris in scrubs… It needs further review. If stupidity were the sole focus of Pfesser’s Palin contempt, on her worst day, Sarah Palin is a radiologist next to the asst. techs Nancy “Gape” Pelosi, Maxine “Esther” Waters, Shelia “Gorilla” Lee for starters.

    The Fake from above talks about us twisting ourselves into tortuous positions?

    Are these the same folks still trying to convince us of ** Obama’s many virtues, his skill and his wisdom? ** GUFFAW ** Tyrone Shoelaces for President? There’s absolutely no doubt now, we would have been better off with Gary Coleman as President for four years than Obama. I’ll bet Coleman’s wife looked better too than that Amazon running the White House staff.

    No, this is a diversion; a ruse to keep the eyes off of the 6 ton pink elephant ‘shitting’ the middle of the political blog rooms across this globe. Barry “Hussein” OBAMA. How do you hide that gigantic, stinking turd?

    Pull out the Sarah Palin tent, complete with the 3-ring circus, and hope nobody notices the unbearable stench of the elephant pile under the tent.

    ** Here’s a hard, fast rule for you newcomers: The worse Obama’s week, the more likely a Sarah Palin post to appear on Rutherford Lawson the next week.

  • 61. Tex Taylor  |  June 19, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    you wonder why I’m not here often? (Actually, there are lots of reasons.)

    No, that was a rhetorical question.

    Once you figured out after sliding back to Slug Hollow that you would be personally humiliated if you accepted my challenge and you lost our little bet, I didn’t expect you back for a few weeks. You’re right on time. Actually, a little late. I thought you would appear last Sunday.

    Flake, I miss you for no other reason than your appearances always remind me no matter how bleak things may personally seem, somebody has always got it worse.

  • 62. Rutherford  |  June 19, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    But let’s review Obama first, before I contrast his record of the better part of three years of Obama with Bush’s first three years.

    As I predicted, nothing on Bush’s first three years. Can’t do it since unemployment rose in his first 3 years with a Republican congress, as I indicated earlier. The classic approach on this board whether it is about Bush or Palin or any other GOP non-performer is to scream “Obama”.

    Nice try sport. ;-)

  • 63. Tex Taylor  |  June 19, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    In Bush’s first 30 months , unemployment increased from 4.2% (full employment) to 6.1% in August 2003; in between we had the tech bubble, 9/11 and the Iraq and Afghan Wars. By the end of Bush’s first term, unemployment stood at 5.2%.

    By July 2005, we were down to full employment (<5%) even with the advent of the tech bubble and 9/11. So what attributed to the unemployment rate that stood at approximately half of Obama's high Milton?

    You going to tell me you think Obama will have unemployment to 7.6% at the end of his first term? :lol: Okay. Tell us how you're going to do it Rocket.

    The budget deficit jumped from $5.7 trillion to $7.5 trillion – even with the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars during Bush's first term; an increase of 31%.

    Zero's budgetary plan (of which he was going to halve in the campaign HAR HAR HAR!), jumped from $10.2 Trillion to the current $14.2 Trillion – and you can add another estimated $1.5 trillion extrapolated to Obama's end of term from the CBO. That would be on the order of an increase of 53%.

    So there you go sport – lay your best excuses on me and your nebulous, impossible to decipher plans like Sista Claire – I haven't even gotten to how stupid she is.

    You want to play the game. Bring me something besides platitudes and Rutherford math.

  • 64. El Tigre  |  June 19, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    FN, I’ll wager you don’t even understand my #49 since you rarely bother to read for context. But if that’s the type of “repulsive” comment that keeps you away, I’ll be happy to lay more garlic around.

  • 65. fakename2  |  June 19, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Tigre:) Here is the appropriate response; On further reflection, I realize that my comment #49 was mainly just mean. Mean is a discredited word these days. It’s too simple and does not reflect the depth of your understanding of the issues.. While you’re displaying garlic, don’t forget the wreaths of red peppers to keep away vampies, witches , and ghosts.

  • 66. PFesser  |  June 19, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    You ask how unemployment figures looked so good under GWB and so bad with Barry? It’s really simple: you spend everything you have and everything you can borrow – like Bush did, and things look rosy, just like they did for my neighbor, who did the same thing for the past five years.

    But eventually you run out of money and the lenders won’t let you have any more. But of course if you are out of office, those chickens of your irresponsibility come home to rest on the next guy, don’t they?

    BTW, my irresponsible neighbor lost his house. I am on the brink of paying mine off. Why is that? Because when he bought a Mercedes, I bought a used Volvo with 150,000 miles on it. When he was eating at the fanciest restaurant in town, my wife and I were eating at home and making double payments on our house.

    What is good policy for a family can scarce be ill policy for a country. Bush-the-Lesser could well learn that lesson, as could Barry, for my money. Tell them to call me; I’m in the book.

  • 67. PFesser  |  June 19, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    home to roost, not rest

  • 68. Raji  |  June 19, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Tex
    “No, this is a diversion; a ruse to keep the eyes off of the 6 ton pink elephant ‘shitting’ the middle of the political blog rooms across this globe.”

    Actually Tex, this is the reason Palin and others bother me. Too much diversion when so much is at stake. When you allow the fox population to increase you run the risk of running into the rabid one which no one notices until it is too late and the critters they bite go “loco” :-)

  • 69. El Tigre  |  June 19, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    FN, huh? Mean? To Whom?

  • 70. Raji  |  June 19, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    This country is obsessed with celebrities. Obama was elected as the celebrity of the day. He was the Frank Sinatra, the Billy Joel, the Bruce Springsteen, whoever! The only problem was he didn’t have the power or the background to produce the music that would make him great. He was a flash in the pan.

    There is a song that says the “The Good die Young”. In politics today “The Good Stay Home”. Why should they subject themselves to the indignities of the celebrity world just to be another Charlie Sheen. Anthony Weiner is just another example of what we expect from our celebrities.

    The sad state of affairs is we as a nation accept this behavior as normal. Just take a peek at Italy! Oops, forgot Arnold in Cailfornia!!!!!! Did I leave out anyone else?

  • 71. Tex Taylor  |  June 19, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    You ask how unemployment figures looked so good under GWB and so bad with Barry? It’s really simple: you spend everything you have and everything you can borrow – like Bush did, and things look rosy, just like they did for my neighbor, who did the same thing for the past five years.

    You can take the boy out of Fat Grannies, but you can’t take Fat Grannies out of the boy

    You only spoke about half the story. I don’t think I’m defending the Bush spending – in fact, I cussed him for it, I’m just pointing out Zero has tripled the annual deficit by spending a whole lot more than Bush ever dreamed. In fact, until the real estate bubble popped, the economy was considered pretty solid even with the outrageous debt, which as I’ve mentioned was about 2/3 of what it is now. It was the war that neo-pagan, closet libs like you were whining about. You’re probably one of the no blood for oil crowd too, matching your sex slave trade accusations. That was truly Fat Granny worthy Pfesser.

    Bush spent everything we had and unemployment went down. In fact, went all the way to full employment in 2005-2007. Why ain’t your man Obama’s economy doing the same? Or haven’t you noticed that the unemployment rate for under 25 is 25%? Barry spent everything we had X 2 and unemployment went up, plus he guaranteed us employment would never go above 8% if we spent another $862 billion for “stimulus” “investment” “saved jobs”.

    Doctor, you ought to cast your vote for Obama again. You really do read more like a Lefty – driving a Volvo is the dead give away :twisted: That way, you can “claim” you were right all along, and you’ll have something to bitch about for the next four years, no matter who wins.

  • 72. El Tigre  |  June 19, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    Raji, you’ve repeated something I said numerous times here in the past. And the higher the rise, the lower the descent. The left got exactly what they voted for. A celebrity. But hey, Axelrod with all the authority of the creepy old guy at the concert says Obama’s still cool:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/06/19/axelrod_assures_admirers_its_cool_to_be_an_obama_supporter.html

  • 73. poolman  |  June 19, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    Happy Father’s Day, to all the dads out there. Even if you just act the dad on a temporary basis to someone younger and impressionable. There are a lot of bad dad examples that seem to get the spotlight. I pray we reverse that and bring back the integrity. As men, it is the single most constructive thing we CAN do to improve the human condition.

    fakename @ 45, agree and well-spoken (written).

    Rutherford, good post. I think Ron Paul needs to be looked at as an alternate to “polics as usual”. I would like to see him get the support needed to be a serious candidate. I really like what he claims to want. I don’t know how much actual power ANY of these candidates really possess to change policy. They only look honest when naive or when they align with policy.

    I think the capture of the media and the message by a conglomerant of like thinkers has floated us into a sea of mire and nobody can find a solid piece of ideology to cling to. We can’t trust the buoys any longer.

  • 74. Tex Taylor  |  June 19, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    How come you’ve been mum on the failed “Operation Fast and Furious” program Rutherford? Beginning to look like the Department of Justice may have knowingly allowed thousands of U.S. weapons to cross the Mexican border. Beginning to look like Holder approved putting guns in the hands of drug cartel criminals used in the murder of civilians, Mexican law enforcement officials, and possibly two American officials?

    Ollie got your tongue? Why is Holder still in office? Another snow job by the head Snow Cone?

    Obama and Holder – black racists, horrid duffers out of mulligans, and dangerously incompetent. Time for them to both resign in shame.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2011/06/dont-make-melson-fast-and-furious-scapegoat

  • 75. Rutherford  |  June 19, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    Next stop: R proving that child he talks about his (which we all know is impossible if she’s black when the self-proclaimed daddy goes to Manilow concerts).

    :lol: Even worse … the kid used to like The Wiggles and her current favorite TV show is “Shark Tank” where she likes to play 7 year old entrepreneur. She has less street cred than her daddy if that is at all possible. :-)

  • 76. dead rabbit  |  June 19, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    7 year old entrepreneur’s have all the street cred in the world…..

  • 77. Rutherford  |  June 19, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    The worse Obama’s week, the more likely a Sarah Palin post to appear on Rutherford Lawson the next week.

    Please point the “newcomers” to the last post I devoted to Sarah Palin, oh veteran Rutherfordian. The most recent kerfuffle occurred in the comments thread. But for the offhand reference (such as in this article), I don’t devote much writing time to Ms. Palin at all.

  • 78. dead rabbit  |  June 19, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    entrepreneurs

  • 79. Rutherford  |  June 19, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    You’re right, R.

    Revere didn’t ring the bells. He just rode to made sure others did. And while he told the British that the colonists were waiting, he didn’t ‘warn’ them.

    Wow. What an idiot. Damn. We sure dodged a bullet on that. Not at all like …

    BiW, in the words of your hero Ronald Reagan, “there you go again”. Just couldn’t leave the admission that I am right alone and had to add your “deflect back to Obama” routine again.

    If you like your politicians talking like confused twelve year olds, then more power to you. Sarah is your girl. And I gotta tell ya, Obama could say the dumbest sh*t in the world and sound ten times smarter than Sarah on her best day. ;-)

  • 80. Rutherford  |  June 19, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    You going to tell me you think Obama will have unemployment to 7.6% at the end of his first term? :lol: Okay. Tell us how you’re going to do it Rocket.

    Tell me how ANYONE could do it, Tex. Are you really telling me that the answer to our woes was a McCain administration and a Republican Congress for the past 2.5 years? Do you REALLY believe that? If so, man please send me a care package of the dope you’ve been smoking cos my nerves are a bit frazzled with this move and I could use whatever helps your delusions. :-)

  • 81. Rutherford  |  June 20, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Bring me something besides platitudes and Rutherford math.

    Mmmmm stating actual unemployment figures for the years 2001 to 2009 qualifies as “Rutherford math”? You know there is an old phrase, you can have your own opinions but you can’t have your own facts. Those figures were facts, not opinions.

  • 82. Rutherford  |  June 20, 2011 at 12:07 am

    Sorry Tex … I’ve got just so much bandwidth and “Fast and Furious” never crossed my radar screen.

  • 83. pfesser53  |  June 20, 2011 at 6:31 am

    “You can take the boy out of Fat Grannies, but you can’t take Fat Grannies out of the boy ”

    We’re not at Fat Grannies.

    “You’re probably one of the no blood for oil crowd too, matching your sex slave trade accusations. That was truly Fat Granny worthy Pfesser.”

    You’re off topic – and assuming again. Stick to commenting on what WAS said, not what you conjure up in your head. Commenting on your own thoughts is just mental masturbation and we don’t really want to see that…..ewwwwww!

    …and we’re not at Fat Grannies.

    I don’t know much about economics, but it seems to me that we are in a situation like the Great Depression; once Bush’s credit card bills became due, it was tempting to slam the door and stop spending completely, shutting down the economy. That is what most economists now believe is what happened in the ‘thirties. Once you are in the kind of doo-doo we have now, to my eye the most important thing is to keep the economy running as you try to pay your way out, since when people do not work there is no productivity and thus no money to pay out with. But it’s a Hobson’s choice – how much do you spend and how much do you cut back? (and Bo’s plan may have been unworkable; note the current unemployment rate)

    I will grudgingly credit Obama’s boys with (possibly) avoiding another Great Depression (so far – lots of qualifiers there), but my personal method would have been a hell of a lot less spending and a hell of a lot more cutting. We may be too far in to survive; I don’t know. I am NOT happy with Bo’s response to Bush’s irresponsibility – in fact, I believe the Govt is almost always ‘way behind the power curve – and cannot ever – just by the mechanics of economics – be in a position to make it better. It is like what is called in the aviation world “pilot-induced oscillation.” By the time you realize you need to pull back – and do so – you should be pushing forward, and you get completely out of phase with the airplane’s needs and are in fact making its oscillations worse and worse until you tear the wings off. Get Tom Sowell’s text on economics; he talks about this very thing; it’s about 800 pages of the best reading you ever did on the Dismal Science.

    If I were a betting man, I would bet that Obama will tear the wings off. That is why I am trying like hell to pay off all debt before my investments are worth zip. But that belief does not make me blind: I know – as do you – the shape the economy was in when Clinton left office and the shape it was in when Bo stepped in.

    Have any clue what happened between?

  • 84. pfesser53  |  June 20, 2011 at 6:35 am

    re: Operation “Fast and Fucked Up” – er, I mean Furious.

    A perfect example of giving a govt agency tremendous power and little oversight. Blatant advertisement: I am a life member of the NRA; they are the only people right now with enough stroke to expose and take on these bastards. Join. Now.

  • 85. an800lbgorilla  |  June 20, 2011 at 6:58 am

  • 86. an800lbgorilla  |  June 20, 2011 at 7:01 am

    Seemed pithy to the conversation about Bush vs. Obama…

    (CNBC) — When it comes to measuring the combination of unemployment and inflation, it doesn’t get much more miserable than this.

    In fact, misery, as measured in the unofficial Misery Index that simply totals the unemployment and inflation rates, is at a 28-year high, reflective of how weak the economic recovery has been and how far there is to go.

    The index, first compiled during the soaring inflation days of the 1970s by economist Arthur Okun, is registering a nausea-inducing 12.7 — 9.1 percent for unemployment and 3.6 percent for annualized inflation — a number not seen since 1983. The index has been above 10 since November 2009 and had been under double-digits from June 1993 through May 2008.

    The good news, of course, is that the Fed-led Paul Volcker embarked on a highly successful inflation-slaying campaign that brought the level of misery down sharply through the rest of the ’80s recovery decade.

  • 87. an800lbgorilla  |  June 20, 2011 at 7:19 am

    Seemed pithy to the conversation about Bush vs. Obama…

    (CNBC) — When it comes to measuring the combination of unemployment and inflation, it doesn’t get much more miserable than this.

    In fact, misery, as measured in the unofficial Misery Index that simply totals the unemployment and inflation rates, is at a 28-year high, reflective of how weak the economic recovery has been and how far there is to go.

    The index, first compiled during the soaring inflation days of the 1970s by economist Arthur Okun, is registering a nausea-inducing 12.7 — 9.1 percent for unemployment and 3.6 percent for annualized inflation — a number not seen since 1983. The index has been above 10 since November 2009 and had been under double-digits from June 1993 through May 2008.

    The good news, of course, is that the Fed-led Paul Volcker embarked on a highly successful inflation-slaying campaign that brought the level of misery down sharply through the rest of the ’80s recovery decade.

    Or…

    The Wall Street Journal and NBC released a joint poll that shows 54 percent of respondents disapprove of the way President Obama is handling the economy, with 62 percent believing that the country is on the wrong track. 48 percent of respondents believe that Obama’s policies are “somewhat” responsible for the condition of the economy, while 34 percent believe his policies are “mainly or “solely” responsible.

    Obama’s general approval has slipped under 50 percent again after getting a bounce from the killing of Osama bin Laden by U.S. forces.

    The economic news got no better for Obama this week.

    Jobless claims came in better than the revised estimates on Thursday, but still show an economy struggling to create jobs.

    In addition, the Philly Manufacturing index reported a significant contraction in manufacturing activity.

  • 88. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 7:50 am

    Dear Abby,

    My husband has a long record of money problems. He runs up huge credit-card bills and at the end of the month, if I try to pay them off, he shouts at me, saying I am stealing his money. He says pay the minimum and lets our kids worry about the rest, but already we can hardly keep up with the interest. Also he has been so arrogant and abusive toward our neighbors that most of them no longer speak to us

    The few that do are an odd bunch, to whom he has been giving a lot of expensive gifts, running up our bills even more. Also, he has gotten religious. One week he hangs out with Catholics and the next with people who say the Pope is the Anti-Christ, and the next he’s with Muslims. Finally, the last straw. He’s demanding that before anyone can be in the same room with him, they must sign a loyalty oath.

    It’s just so horribly creepy! Can you help?
    Signed, Lost in DC
    ————————–

    Dear Lost:

    Stop whining, Michelle. You’re getting to live in the White House for free, travel the world, and have others pay for everything for you. You can divorce the jerk any time you want. The rest of us are stuck with the son of a bitch for the next year and a half!

    Signed,
    Abby

  • 89. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 7:55 am

    I don’t know much about economics, but it seems to me that we are in a situation like the Great Depression; once Bush’s credit card bills became due, it was tempting to slam the door and stop spending completely, shutting down the economy. That is what most economists now believe is what happened in the ‘thirties

    You’re right. You don’t understand much about economics. Apparently, don’t understand much about history either. And Thomas Sowell would disagree with about everything you’ve posted here.

    Nice try, though Helen.

  • 90. PFesser  |  June 20, 2011 at 8:07 am

    “You’re right. You don’t understand much about economics. Apparently, don’t understand much about history either. And Thomas Sowell would disagree with about everything you’ve posted here.”

    Perhaps you would deign to enlighten me.

    “Nice try, though Helen.”

    You’re welcome, Kotex.

  • 91. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 8:31 am

    I am NOT happy with Bo’s response to Bush’s irresponsibility – in fact, I believe the Govt is almost always ‘way behind the power curve – and cannot ever – just by the mechanics of economics – be in a position to make it better.

    This morning, I have obviously awoken in the Twilight Zone. Case in point…

    In Nov. 2006, the unemployment rate stood at 4.5%, the deficit at 8.6Trillion, a rise of approximately 1/2 Trillion in the U.S. deficit during the fiscal year. Bad and unsustainable, but not unworkable. Gas was priced at $1.83 a gallon on average, though accusation had been made George Bush was in cahoots with Big Oil and raping the world. We were in the “unwinnable war” according to Harry Reid.

    Now we know the first posit out of every liberal’s mouth is “It’s George Bush’s fault.”

    Today’s pop quiz for the class – get out your clickers. It’s a doozy, so put on your skull caps.

    ———————-

    Question #1 Which Federal Branch alone that has the constitutional authority to authorize spending?

    Question #2 Which party controlled the Branch responsible for levying taxes, spending and constructing budgets while George Bush President during the highest allocation of spending? Republicans or Democrats?

    Question #3 [Fill in the blank.] When ______ are in control of _______, they have incurred nearly three times the average monthly debt that _______ had incurred since January 1993. *

    * Source: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeef1s7/richardpersingcom22/id15.html

    Can anybody help Pfesser and Rutherford out with what different course might have been taken in Nov. 2006? Hint: Think gambling and homosexual anal sex for a hint to leaders of the ________ party.

  • 92. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Perhaps you would deign to enlighten me.~ Dr. Douche Bag

    Being you’re the smartest guy in the room (aren’t all doctors :roll: ), I hesitate to enter your mighty “fiduciary” presence. But since you insist Helen:

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700078558/Contrary-to-popular-myth-FDR-prolonged-agony-of-Depression.html

  • 93. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 8:45 am

    Speaking of “pilot-induced oscillation”, every time I close my eyes, this is the bridge building I picture our illustrious Dimocratic Senate pilots constructing. Every time…

  • 94. PFesser  |  June 20, 2011 at 8:50 am

    I know about the Tacoma Narrows bridge. We studied that in a vibrations class. Galloping Gertie, they called it. There was a potful of learning that came out of that little collapse.

    I don’t think anybody got killed. Can’t remember if the guy got his dog out or not. I think the dog went hysterical and stayed with the car.

  • 95. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Pfesser, the dog died. And I’m not going to fight with you because I think you’re a far step above the liberals that reside on this board. But the Palin shit was and is over the top. It’s one thing to disdain somebody – quite another to lie about somebody to do as much damage as possible.

    But your blame is for the most part woefully misplaced on our current economic crisis.

    If you want to blame Bush for running up the deficit and not paying for the Iraq War, or if you want to blame Bush for even being in the Iraq War, those are far criticisms. But if you want to blame Bush for the abhorrent cost of Medicare Part D – those are issues of discussion too and fair criticisms.

    But I would remind you that twice George Bush did address the mortgage situation a few years before the bubble popped and was shot down. Twice.

    To make the claim that Obama prevented a Depression is so ludicrous that I froze when I read that. You’re smarter than that…

    One other thing – and this one is as sure as the coming financial collapse.

    George Bush was also right about privatizing part of Social Security – that too is a house of cards. And I want to make absolutely sure when the cards fold, and while I’m still around, that history isn’t once again rewritten to put a positive spin on the brain dead pricks like virtually the entire Dimocratic party so that they get their just obituary of failure.

  • 96. Raji  |  June 20, 2011 at 9:42 am

    El Tigre @ comment #72

    Like Minds!

    We can all sleep well. Axelrod says it’s cool ;-)

  • 97. PFesser  |  June 20, 2011 at 9:46 am

    “It’s one thing to disdain somebody – quite another to lie about somebody to do as much damage as possible.”

    I do not lie. I may be wrong, but I do not lie. If you find something inaccurate, point it out to me and I will correct it, with apology.

    “If you want to blame Bush for running up the deficit and not paying for the Iraq War, or if you want to blame Bush for even being in the Iraq War, those are far criticisms. But if you want to blame Bush for the abhorrent cost of Medicare Part D – those are issues of discussion too and fair criticisms.”

    We agree.

    “But I would remind you that twice George Bush did address the mortgage situation a few years before the bubble popped and was shot down. Twice.”

    No argument.

    “To make the claim that Obama prevented a Depression is so ludicrous that I froze when I read that. You’re smarter than that…”

    Well, then help me out. Firstly, I do not give Bo credit for The Plan; it was derived by Geithner, et al. Bo doesn’t know enough to come up with that plan. It seems to me that you can’t just cut off the spending cold turkey like was done in the ‘thirties. You have to keep the economy running in order for there to be production and creation of Real Money – not play money like they are printing now. If that doesn’t make any sense to you then I want to hear what does. And realize, that as a Scot, the idea of continuing to spend is anathema, so I don’t say that lightly.

    “George Bush was also right about privatizing part of Social Security – that too is a house of cards. And I want to make absolutely sure when the cards fold, and while I’m still around, that history isn’t once again rewritten to put a positive spin on the brain dead pricks like virtually the entire Dimocratic party so that they get their just obituary of failure.”

    I agree about Soc Sec. My accountant told me twenty-five years ago that she had run the numbers and that if SS money went into even conservative bond-type investments, the average American would retire a millionaire. And that was when a mil was a lot of money.

    I think your and my fight is more over approach than anything else. You may think I am not politically pure; I don’t know what it is. My perception is that you won’t concede ANY points that might suggest the Other Side has any good ideas, and I don’t feel that way. I do not see other Americans as the enemy, and I am sure they are not trying to sink the country. But behaving as if YOU believe that does nothing but harden their resolve and deprive you of their help you will need to solve these problems.

    Sorry – didn’t mean to write a book.

  • 98. El Tigre  |  June 20, 2011 at 10:11 am

    “I do not see other Americans as the enemy, and I am sure they are not trying to sink the country. But behaving as if YOU believe that does nothing but harden their resolve and deprive you of their help you will need to solve these problems.”

    Yeah. Like focusing on bizarre stories about the Palin’s sex ring. Pffffft. :roll:

  • 99. PFesser  |  June 20, 2011 at 10:17 am

    “Yeah. Like focusing on bizarre stories about the Palin’s sex ring. Pffffft.”

    Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction, n’cest pas? To quote many, many ReBiblicans, whenever a Dimocrat slips, “Character counts.”

  • 100. El Tigre  |  June 20, 2011 at 10:26 am

    So what?

  • [...] friend and blogging colleague Rutherford Lawson felt the need to apply a liberal perspective to the GOP debate the other night. Needless to say, it was [...]

  • 102. Rutherford  |  June 20, 2011 at 10:46 am

    This from Rick Perry:

    We must recapture that vision and begin the hard work of lighting the way for millions of Americans who are adrift in this sea of economic misery.

    Let’s lead ‘em to the safe harbor of American renewal and the shores of American exceptionalism! Let’s anchor them! Anchor them in the future of good jobs and a country founded on great ideas. — Rick Perry Claims Republicans ‘Have the Wind at Their Back’ for 2012 During Speech at Leadership Conference

    Mmmm, “adrift”, “safe harbors” “shores” and “anchors”. Wow, before you know it, he may start talking about calming the tides of the ocean. ;-)

  • 103. Rutherford  |  June 20, 2011 at 10:52 am

    I am a life member of the NRA

    Pfesser, you are a riddle wrapped in an enigma. I would never have pegged you for an NRA member. Without getting too deep in the woods, could you summarize your thoughts on gun control?

  • 104. Rutherford  |  June 20, 2011 at 10:54 am

    LOL …. regarding Dear Abby … good one Tex.

  • 105. Rutherford  |  June 20, 2011 at 11:01 am

    To make the claim that Obama prevented a Depression is so ludicrous that I froze when I read that.

    Who’s playing God now Tex. You have some sort of retroactive soothsaying ability we don’t know about?

    How ’bout answering my question? Do you REALLY think John McCain and a Republican controlled Congress would have us out of this mess right now? Answer the question. (Or would they be saying, “these things take time, give us another 4 years”?)

    Since you know what would have happened if Obama had played by your rules, then surely you can tell me how successful McCain and a GOP controlled Congress would have done. Go for it dude!

  • 106. PFesser  |  June 20, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Gun control –

    God made man and Sam Colt made ‘em equal. That’s my motto.

    I believe that the first step to totalitarianism is to disarm the public. When a police officer stops my car or comes to my house, he is polite. Most of that is professionalism, but some of it is because he knows that, if an American citizen feels he has been abused he always has the option of exacting the ultimate retribution in exchange for paying the ultimate price. And everybody has a limit beyond which they will do that very thing.

    It makes for a very polite society, and there is nothing enigmatic if you understand the True Libertarian. That would be me.

  • 107. Rutherford  |  June 20, 2011 at 11:08 am

    there is nothing enigmatic if you understand the True Libertarian. That would be me.

    Well put. I could be a libertarian if I had more faith in the judgment of the average man. I’m always fearful of that boundary between freedom and anarchy.

  • 108. an800lbgorilla  |  June 20, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Otherwise known as an anarchist…

  • 109. Raji  |  June 20, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Tex @ comment #71
    “In fact, until the real estate bubble popped, the economy was considered pretty solid even with the outrageous debt, which as I’ve mentioned was about 2/3 of what it is now”

    The economy was never solid during the real estate bubble. It was just an illusion. The housing bubble was a Madoff Ponzi scheme. The Gamblers devised the scheme, brought in their money and pulled out their money. Trillions of dollars were converted to cash by them before the house of cards toppled leaving the unaware holding an empty bag.

    Financial institutions made loans on what are called “no-doc” mortgages because they had a ready outlet to unload them. In the case of supply and demand, the demand was greater than the supply so let’s produce more mortgages as there is someone out there that is willing to buy what we produce regardless of the quality. Then the bubble popped.

    You cannot compare this depression/recession to any other and that is why the normal means of attempting recovery do not work. We have no goods to recover since housing prices are so over inflated. State and local governments depend on property taxes for their income so they are unwilling to lower prices, to use one example.

    Many of the financial old guard were shaking their heads all during this period but the young financial guru’s were not listening as they raked in the money without any over sight or supervision. Clinton, Bush and Obama are all at fault for ignoring the Ponzi.

    Bernie Madoff went to jail. The Gamblers will not.

  • 110. Rutherford  |  June 20, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Again, Raji gives what seems to me an excellent summary. Three administrations have either contributed to this problem or been unsuccessful at solving it. And as far as entitlements go, the recipients run the gamut from the “welfare queens” Tex likes to focus on to the farmers to the unions to the welfare corporations.

    Do you know just how many people must agree to sacrifice for things to get better? Things look gloomy to put it mildly.

  • 111. poolman  |  June 20, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    More of what’s wrong with America today.

    Just another reason we can’t seem to pull our collective heads out of our asses…

    Everything I want to do is illegal. As if a highly bureaucratic regulatory system was not already in place, 9/11 fueled renewed acceleration to eliminate freedom from the countryside. Every time a letter arrives in the mail from a federal or state agriculture department my heart jumps like I just got sent to the principal’s office.

    And it doesn’t stop with agriculture bureaucrats. It includes all sorts of government agencies, from zoning, to taxing, to food inspectors. These agencies are the ultimate extension of a disconnected, Greco-Roman, Western, egocentric, compartmentalized, reductionist, fragmented, linear thought process.

  • 112. Rutherford  |  June 20, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    The problem Poolman, is I fear a pendulum shift too far away from regulation. I like eating safe food and flying on mostly safe planes. By the time Tex, Tigre, Gorilla and BIW eliminate all the fed agencies they don’t like, it might as well be the 1800’s again.

    Botulism here I come! :-(

  • 113. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Who’s playing God now Tex. You have some sort of retroactive soothsaying ability we don’t know about

    Would I have some sort of retroactive soothsaying ability if I said with absolute assuredness Obama didn’t create the world or wasn’t the Pope? I can also say ‘retroactively’ which you apparently can not, that what Obama did starting in 2009 and continues to do as of today did not work.

    Pfesser, though a very intelligent man I’m sure, is wrong about his history. Hoover didn’t cut off funding – in fact Hoover was an interventionist and I hope these quotes will lend some credibility to fact.

    (a) “The ideas embodied in the New Deal Legislation were a compilation of those which had come to maturity under Herbert Hoover’s aegis. We all of us owed much to Hoover” ~ (Rexford Tugwell,1946).

    (b) “The Great Depression was very significantly prolonged in both its duration and its magnitude by the impacts of New Deal programs.” ~ economists Richard Vedder and Lowell Gallaway, who used statistical models to evaluate the results of FDR’s New Deal,

    (c) In the absence of government intervention, unemployment is always voluntary. Yet over ten million Americans were unemployed in 1938. Compare that to the eight million in 1931. ~ Ludwig von Mises

    ———-

    How ’bout answering my question? Do you REALLY think John McCain and a Republican controlled Congress would have us out of this mess right now? Answer the question. (Or would they be saying, “these things take time, give us another 4 years”?)

    Now that would require a soothsayer.

    I can neither say yes or no, and I suspect due to the depth of the recession, we might only now be starting to come out of the recession now for no other reason than the magnitude of the real estate bubble, which was so huge and still not finished. I can’t say how John McCain would have reacted with planned policies, as he would still be operating with an overwhelmingly Dimocratic Congress his first two years.

    As you will recall, it was me that was rooting “if the Republicans lose the Presidency, let them lose everything big. And Rutherford, you and I will put this argument to rest about how government does it better”i> Those words are almost verbatim what I told you in the fall of 2008 and Chenzhen’s blog. We can certainly go back and review because my predictions have been pretty damn accurate about what has transpired since.

    I find John McCain a better, more principled, more virtuous moron than O’Bama. So I can’t answer that question with all honesty because McCain ultimately would have been operating with a super majority Congress against him.

    But I can offer one possible alternative, the probable alternative. That McCain was able to veto the “stimulus”, that he would have been less apt to drive the deficit to unsustainable levels, that he would have attempted to stop our ludicrous monetary policy, that Tim Geithner would not have been Treasurer, that even if McCain had done nothing in the way of intervention it would have been better, that we wouldn’t be beholden to union goons, that we would not have ObamaCare, etc…I could list another hundred.

    Would we have been out of the recession? I don’t know. Would we have probably been a hell of a lot better off with McCain than Obama? I’m almost damn sure of it.

    —————

    I’m only here to clear the record – the real estate bubble can be attributed to many things – George Bush is not one of them, unless you assign blame for him having the unfortunate position of being President when it happened. And that is about the extent of Bush’s blame.

    In retrospect, Bush panicked that September when the bottom fell out. For three days, I also assumed that TARP was absolutely required and said as much. I’m not macro economist and had to take Henry Paulson’s word for it that the banking system would collapse – we couldn’t have a run on the banks like 1929.

    So I’ll admit I was naive – I took that information at face value and let the “experts” decide. But TARP is also the least of our problems now. For the most, TARP has been repaid. I understand there’s still a hundred billion yada yada yada – and yeah, that’s a lot of money.

    But it is no where near Obama’s $1.65 trillion budget deficit for 2011.

    How big a whopper is Obama and the Dims telling about soaking the “rich” solving “all” our problems? From the WSJ…Apr 17, 2011

    Consider the Internal Revenue Service’s income tax statistics for 2008, the latest year for which data are available. The top 1% of taxpayers—those with salaries, dividends and capital gains roughly above about $380,000—paid 38% of taxes. But assume that tax policy confiscated all the taxable income of all the “millionaires and billionaires” Mr. Obama singled out. That yields merely about $938 billion, which is sand on the beach amid the $4 trillion White House budget, a $1.65 trillion deficit, and spending at 25% as a share of the economy, a post-World War II record.

    Say we take it up to the top 10%, or everyone with income over $114,000, including joint filers. That’s five times Mr. Obama’s 2% promise. The IRS data are broken down at $100,000, yet taxing all income above that level throws up only $3.4 trillion. And remember, the top 10% already pay 69% of all total income taxes, while the top 5% pay more than all of the other 95%.

    So I ask you Rutherford. Why don’t you tell us again why YOU believe Obama deserves another four years. Seems to me the burden of proof is on you. And I will be happy to demonstrate how stupid Claire is when I get the chance.

  • 114. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Raji,

    The economy was never solid during the real estate bubble. It was just an illusion. The housing bubble was a Madoff Ponzi scheme. The Gamblers devised the scheme, brought in their money and pulled out their money. Trillions of dollars were converted to cash by them before the house of cards toppled leaving the unaware holding an empty bag.

    That’s half an answer. While true about the housing bubble, it doesn’t complete the macro picture. Real estate was a bubble to be sure, but corporate profits were solid in 2007, as they are now. J&J wasn’t suddenly 60% of the company in Dec. 2008 as Sept. 2008. The DOW falling precipitously was as much a facade as the price of homes would forever increase. That’s why I never left the market – until now.

    What’s holding back large corporations from hiring is pretty simple: proposed burden (Obamacare, regulatory expense), increased threat of regulation (still want a carbon tax?), uncertainty about debt structure and interest rates, and a fear of hyperinflation. Throw in a President hostile towards business and favoring union goons, a National Labor Relations Board that feels it the arbiter of where business can and can’t operate, and idiots that don’t understand we are now competing in a global market and still demand the highest corporate taxes in the industrialize world, I can certainly understand resistance to hiring.

    Most of this applies to small business as well, and the uncertainty, taxes and burden is an even bigger threat the small the business, who have no hedge of economies of scale.

    It’s not rocket science about what needs to be done. But fear mongers like Rutherford, sponges, union goons, and other big government lackey proponents are an obstacle that must be removed from decision making.

    I volunteer to shoot Rutherford. :smile:

  • 115. pfesser53  |  June 20, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    “Everything I want to do is illegal. As if a highly bureaucratic regulatory system was not already in place, 9/11 fueled renewed acceleration to eliminate freedom from the countryside. ”

    I don’t know where you got this but I think it hits the nail on the head. Case in point: light airplanes. I have an airplane made in 1962. Because of government regulations, aircraft are so expensive that hardly anybody can afford to buy a new one, so the old ones live forever and just keep getting rebuilt. A starter is $500. The engine is basically a big aircooled VW engine. There is no transmission and only three wheels but a basically outfitted new one is about $300,000. Instruments are expensive; the GPS is $15,000, the autopilot another twelve -all because the manufacturers of these devices must submit to a complicated approval process costing millions of dollars, in order to sell a few thousand units.

    The govt has now decided that light planes are a terrorist threat. My plane weighs 2800# with full fuel and full load – about like a small car – hardly a bomb. They used to have perpetual registration, but now we are required to re-register – for a fee, of course – every three years. Should I fly with any paperwork not perfect, accidentally blunder into any invisible airspace where I should not be, I will find myself face-down on the ground at the next airport. The Kings, a husband-and-wife team who have taught more people to fly than anyone on the planet and BOTH HAVE EVERY RATING AVAILABLE TO MAN, were physically manhandled in CA a few months ago because a govt mistake listed their airplane as stolen. They were not interviewed politely, this old guy and woman were physically abused and handcuffed when they had done nothing wrong.

    And you wonder why I keep a gun and why I am an NRA member…

    Here is what the Second Amendment is really for:

  • 116. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Pfesser,

    Before my father-in-law got too old and his back gave out, he used to fly me around in his 1968 Cessna (Cardinal ? – and I might be making that up; it seats four). Used to fly my wife and I (before kids) from Oklahoma to Buena Vista, CO, once a year. A blast…. and a great way to travel. Four hour flight – two hour bottom was my mother-in-law’s motto, so we stopped half way to pee. That is a rich man’s game.

    His engine went out one time mid-flight over Springfield, Missouri, and he came in according to my brother-in-law “hot.” He’s a former Air Force guy, so I assume Bob knows what the heck he is doing. He landed safely.

    Total bill – $13,000.00 :shock: He calmly wrote a check and I realized that was out of my league. :smile: I happily played passenger.

  • 117. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 20, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    “Do you know just how many people must agree to sacrifice for things to get better?”

    I have the answer.

    The number of people who must sacrifice for things to get better is the exact same number as those who make $250,000 or more a year.

    At least, that’s what Barack Obama, Uncle Joe Biden, and congressional democrats told me….

    Regarding Obama supposedly stopping a depression. Did you folks ever consider that maybe we didnt get to a depression simply because things didn’t get bad enough to become a depression? And since nothing else Obama did worked the way he said it would, why should we assume this is any different? Because Obama told you so?

    “Sorry Tex … I’ve got just so much bandwidth and “Fast and Furious” never crossed my radar screen.”

    We get this defense more and more. It seems Obama and his team of idiots screw up so much these days, folks like Rutherford can’t hope to keep up with them all.

    And now he’s in violation of the War Powers Act and one of the only people on his side is a guy Rutherford thinks is an incompetent moron. Even Eric Holder told him he was in violation of the law.

    Why not primary him, Rutherford? This can’t be what you voted for. Is he really the best you guys have?

  • 118. an800lbgorilla  |  June 20, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    The problem Poolman, is I fear a pendulum shift too far away from regulation. I like eating safe food and flying on mostly safe planes. By the time Tex, Tigre, Gorilla and BIW eliminate all the fed agencies they don’t like, it might as well be the 1800′s again.” – R

    Come now R, that’s a wee bit extreme eh? I think we’re interested in government agencies doing their jobs versus, say this:

    U.S. Department of Agriculture activists want to impose their intense brand of homosexual sensitivity training governmentwide, including a discussion that compares “heterosexism” — believing marriage can be between only one man and one woman — to racism.

  • 119. Raji  |  June 20, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Tex @ comment #114

    Good points, Tex, especially your comment “The Dow falling precipitously was as much a facade as the price of homes would forever increase”.

    Don’t shoot the messenger :-)

  • 120. MuffyMcD  |  June 20, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Sorry people, I’m running behind on the topics. I had considered posting this on the last thread, but Sarah Palin was a tangential topic there too and the thread does take a while to load.

    On Sarah and her “wild ride” – well, we all let our imaginations run wild.

    I can hardly fathom the strength of character it could take to come to grips with the knowledge that there’s an increased likelihood that the child you carry will be born with Down’s Syndrome. Knowing the increased risk in women over 35, in all probability Sarah had the first test for DS somewhere between the 14th and 20th week of her pregnancy. Possibly she was told by her doctors that the test in question is in no way 100% accurate, but is merely a screening tool.

    Maybe her doctors or somebody else even informed her of cases where women, having “agonized for 5 months after testing positive for an increased risk of DS,” gave birth to a perfectly “normal” child.

    http://www.about-down-syndrome.com/prenatal-tests-for-down-syndrome.html

    Maybe instead of announcing at that time, as many women do – just maybe Sarah was conflicted, perhaps even in pain. I expect that her doctors and friends and loved ones reassured her of the importance in remembering that DS is not known to be caused by anything the mother did or didn’t do. Nonetheless, I can imagine that she might have struggled with guilt. She was, after all, in her forties, and man’s conscience can register false positives as well as ignore obvious guilt.

    Whether or not SP considered an abortion at that time, it’s not hard for me to imagine that she may have. I expect that at the very least the thought crossed her mind. I haven’t recently researched the statistics on carrying DS babies to term, but at some point I learned that it had become very, very low. Maybe she even prayed to her God for guidance, wisdom, and most of all strength.

    I can imagine that she carefully considered taking one of the more accurate prenatal tests for DS. Maybe forgoing one that carries with it a 1 in 100-200 chance of miscarriage, reasoning “why risk it?” She didn’t plan to have an abortion in any case.

    Maybe the ultrasound or sonogram showed only “soft signs” for DS. Or maybe her doctors informed her that neither of those are a definitive test for DS in any case.

    Throughout what quite possibly could have been an extremely difficult time for her, I can easily imagine that her prayers were focused for a time that it be God’s will that her child be born without DS. “That it be His will” is something unbelievers don’t understand and are quick to mock as magical thinking or outright lunacy. But it isn’t hard for me to believe that she petitioned for that very event to occur.

    It’s not so very hard for me to imagine any and all of that. There’s no proof to the contrary. I do wonder though if we gear our imaginings towards behaviors that don’t seem to be that much of a stretch for us personally.

    Speaking on her intellect, I don’t think Sarah is overwhelmingly articulate or staggeringly intelligent. But to regard someone as “stupid,” you have to at least be smarter than they are and I’m not at all sure that I am. I do think that Sarah does not recognize her own limitations. That can be a good thing or a bad thing. I tend to think that it’s good for the individual but not so good for the team.

    As for her integrity, perhaps it’s time to put all elected officials through the same rigorous inspection regarding both integrity and capacities.

    Sorry for the long post.

  • 121. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    And Gorilla,

    That provides a beautiful example of why Rutherford and his solutions are always a nightmare. These big government proponents can only be one of two things: (1) mentally ill; (2) stupid.

    And since I know Rutherford is not stupid, and I don’t believe men like Poolman are either (crazy perhaps :twisted: ), I am left to once again say Liberalism must be redefined as a mental disease.

    Good grief…

    Too bad Graychin still isn’t around to give us one of the homophobic speeches.

  • 122. El Tigre  |  June 20, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Which one of us said we should get rid of the FDA?

    Well,who knows R. maybe botchulism would help that digestive system of yours. . .

  • 123. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Muffy, that was a wonderful post. First class – with a perspective I have not given much thought.

    Name one political person in America, who isn’t suffering from a self-inflicted shot to the head like Weiner, short of Barack Obama that generates more conversation, more controversy, more defense, and even more thought provoking posts like the one you just published than Sarah Palin?

    I agree with Palin’s limitations – I am sure she is no rocket scientist, nor do I think she has ever posed herself as one. But to deny that she’s a talent is foolishness. To deny she can’t handle a reasonably high level public job is to ignore history – she was America’s most popular governor before coming under national scrutiny from a hostile media. Palin has a son that serves in the military. Palin apparently has raised a pretty nice family. Yeah, her oldest daughter made a big mistake. But she could have hidden the pregnancy and aborted the baby. She didn’t. Maybe her mother is the real deal when it comes to the sanctity of life, and maybe it was her mother that convinced Bristol to be? Maybe Sarah Palin is the real deal with a folksy twang and not the phony the Left wants us to believe?

    I don’t want Sarah Palin for President. She’s a far greater asset as a motivating speaker to generate excitement amongst a large segment of America. I’m not part of her crowd though we arrive at most of the same conclusions.

    But I can’t deny the power of her presence either; neither can I deny the charisma of Obama to a large swath of the U.S. populace.

    It’s stupid to discount either…

    Most fair post of Sarah Palin I have read here Muffy – mine included.

  • 124. Rutherford  |  June 20, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Muffy, I do not know you but from everything you’ve ever written here I 100% guarantee you are smarter than Sarah Palin with “smart” meaning any number of things from intuitive, sensitive, empathetic and intellectual. And I’m damn sure I am smarter than Sarah Palin, so yes I will boldly and without hesitation sit in judgment on her dumb ass.

    Second, and I do not mean to be cold about this, your lengthy comment makes Down Syndrome out to be the tragedy of tragedies. It simply isn’t. Down’s manifests itself in varying degrees of disability and many DS kids grow to live semi-independent lives. If one listens to the human interest stories that abound, most of them bring great joy to their families because of a typically gentle nature.

    Now I admittedly come to my attitude about this from very personal experience. While I don’t have Down Syndrome, I am disabled and I know disability doesn’t put the kibosh on a very worthwhile life. Second, my aunt had DS and my grandmother to her everlasting credit refused to institutionalize her. Growing up, I didn’t know what DS was so I just assumed my aunt was a “big kid”. She was gentle and loving and I had times with her I will never forget.

    Is raising a kid with Down’s a challenge? Sure it is. Do you encounter challenges you might not encounter with a “normal” kid? Sure you do. But every kid brings some sort of challenge to a parent. I just can’t sign up for the notion that keeping a DS kid and raising him/her makes you a hero. It just makes you someone who has to deal with a big challenge like all the rest of us do. Maybe the moral is that we are all heroes just to get through this complicated life of ours?

    P.S. In my very mixed stance on abortion I do NOT count the likelihood of a DS kid to be valid grounds for getting an abortion.

  • 125. MuffyMcD  |  June 20, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    The prospects for the Republican nominee are definitely lacking the celebrity cache that the President offers the Democratic ticket.

    In contrast to Mr. Savage’s “evil brilliance” – more a contemptible, childish prank really – “not brilliant” and “hardly the dumbass” is about as generous an assessment of Mrs. Bachman as can be expected. I didn’t watch the debate and I’m not sure about Michelle Bachman yet but it sure is exciting to watch the boys straining at their choke chains to get at her. Ya know, I’ll bet all those foster kids have plenty of skeletons worth digging up. Hell it’s already been exposed that some of those placements were likely *gasp!* short term.

    It’s just good old-fashioned investigative journalism – http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20072121-503544.html

    Rutherford, LOL. Cheerleader, too pretty, so-and-so wants to bed Palin, reasonably attractive, mother not a lover. Hahaha. Hmm, I wonder when the rumors of Palin and Bachman, you know, experimenting in college are going to start to come out.

    Just kidding Rutherford. I thought you were fair in your analysis. Not brilliant and hardly the dumbass, and certainly fair. :) And as always, well written.

    “Normally I’d launch into a racially charged diatribe about the only black candidate being placed at the far right of the assembled candidates…” – Rutherford

    That whole paragraph was amusing, Rutherford.

    I’ll have to read the Weiner post later.

  • 126. Rutherford  |  June 20, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    Well,who knows R. maybe botchulism would help that digestive system of yours. . .

    Tigre, damn you might have a point there. :-)

    Well, I know you’re dead set on killing the EPA so I figured the FDA couldn’t be far behind.

  • 127. Rutherford  |  June 20, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Yeah, her oldest daughter made a big mistake. But she could have hidden the pregnancy and aborted the baby. She didn’t.

    First, if I’m not mistaken the elder son (is it Track?) has had run-ins with the law before going into the service. Second be consistent Tex. You consider abortion an abomination, so suddenly Bristol not having one makes her a hero? As far as I can tell, according to the Tex rule book, this simply makes her a decent human being and not the scoundrel she would have been had she aborted.

    The Palin family is reality show fodder and you know it. So … puhleeeeze.

  • 128. MuffyMcD  |  June 20, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    “I just can’t sign up for the notion that keeping a DS kid and raising him/her makes you a hero.” -Rutherford

    No, it doesn’t. It makes you strong and willing to stand in your convictions.

  • 129. El Tigre  |  June 20, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    R, I really wish you’d “read and retain” what I wrote Rutherford. For the love of God, the SCOTUS just issued its opinion in the case I was discussing.

    However, the EPA as it currently functions is a beyond hope.

  • 130. Rutherford  |  June 20, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    It makes you strong

    I can agree with this … of course results count too. Keeping a DS kid and then being a lousy mother/father doesn’t move the needle too much in my book.

    Isn’t it funny how many folks think the hardest part of raising a kid is having the kid. Crap, that ain’t nothing. Try getting any kid, no matter how “normal” or otherwise from cradle to independence in this f*cked up society. It’s a near full time job and with so many parents both working full time it’s a wonder any kid makes it through adolescence. It makes me worry for my own quite frankly.

  • 131. Rutherford  |  June 20, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    That was a general observation Muffy … not directed at you personally.

  • 132. El Tigre  |  June 20, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    PF, a second amendment proponent? That video’s a good one. It should’ve been played following MSNBC’s take on the Giffords shooting — right after O’Donnell’s trite and stupid attempt to sound compelling by blaming “the gun laws” for the shooting. A true idiot’s delight.

  • 133. PFesser  |  June 20, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    “PF, a second amendment proponent?”

    Yes, I believe the Constitution is sacrosanct and that it MEANS WHAT IT SAYS. Personally I would like a Constitutional amendment to the effect that nobody elected to Congress can take office until they can recite the Constitution in its entirety, with punctuation. I am not kidding.

    “That video’s a good one. ”

    You betcha.

  • 134. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    The Palin family is reality show fodder and you know it. So … puhleeeeze.

    No, you puhleeeeze. Your irrational hatred for this family knows no bounds. Makes you read like scorned Lady Ga Ga fan and People magazine subscriber.

    Rutherford, it’s time to call you to order. You are obviously stressing about moving and not thinking clearly. It’s time somebody slapped your ‘ittle bitty face and snapped you back to reality son. I volunteer.

    (1) First, if I’m not mistaken the elder son (is it Track?) has had run-ins with the law before going into the service.

    Your daughter just took a picture of her posterior. Am I to assume that is your failure as parent? A porn star in waiting; loose woman? Good grief…which one of us has raised angels? Joe Biden, the father of “Drug Czar” has a daughter whose a coke head. You don’t seem to have a big problem Joe. Ever read about Al Gore’s oldest son? You won’t read a bigger loser and druggie. Damn, I just read at the check out counter the other day, that Chelsea’s new hubby ran off. Hillary failed her, naturally.

    (2) And I’m damn sure I am smarter than Sarah Palin, so yes I will boldly and without hesitation sit in judgment on her dumb ass.

    You mean you carry the right “higher education credentials” and Palin is just a community college hick, right? And exactly what have you accomplished that Palin hasn’t – minus the paper, of course? What exactly gives you the moral and intellectual superiority to sit in judgment again?

    There’s a certain amount of elitism you carry Rutherford about your raging credentials — if current history has taught us anything, it is that these Ivy League schools of great thought aren’t so great, and the guarantees of success more correlated with nepotism and connection than superiority. You mocked ORU the other day, and while its founder should be fair game as I mock him too, when Bachmann attended ORU I’m guessing being she is a little older than me, it was one of the highest ranked medical and legal schools in the Southwest with money to burn – and one of the most modern campuses on earth (ugly, but modern). That “little school” was hosting the NCAA Regional Basketball while she was there in a 12,000 seat state of the art arena. When ORU crashed and burned, those professors weren’t moving to Tulsa Community College but UT, Baylor and Rice.

    Don’t be so cock sure that because some poll conducted by Ivy League graduates, then deems Ivy Leagues most top notch is entirely accurate – there’s more to the quality of school than just endowment and that wasn’t my experience while obtaining my masters with Ivy League students that they were the best. They weren’t.

    (3) As far as I can tell, according to the Tex rule book, this simply makes her a decent human being and not the scoundrel she would have been had she aborted.

    Decent being the key word – you’re getting warmer.

    (4) The Palin family is reality show fodder and you know it.

    No, I don’t know that. For an in-depth list of how corrupt our current Congress is, and this is somewhat dated, view this and get back with me after a little research about the dysfunction of the Palin family compared to this. This should be reality show fodder – and they really are running your country.

    http://usataxpayer.org/view.asp?Get=corruptcongress.asp&ncid=58200628

  • 135. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 20, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    From Iowahawk:

    “You know who else inherited this economy from George Bush? Rick Perry.”

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

    The Whining Boy who would be King and Paul Krugman hardest hit!

  • 136. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    BIC, :lol: :lol:

    Iowahawk is one of the most clever going…

  • 137. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 20, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    No, I don’t know that. For an in-depth list of how corrupt our current Congress is, and this is somewhat dated, view this and get back with me after a little research about the dysfunction of the Palin family compared to this. This should be reality show fodder – and they really are running your country.

    “But Tex, this is different! She’s stupid and therefore a threat!”

    Inherent in this point of view is a nugget that they don’t want you thinking too hard about.

  • 138. An800lbgorilla  |  June 20, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    It has been my experience that Ivy leaguers are over rated… By far.

    This may be a low blow, but how far have you fallen Mr. Harvard? Are you not allum with with one G. W. Bush? Oh, that’s right, he just got his MBA at Harvard- the under grad stuff was at Yale. Tell me R, how simple is the Harvard MBA to get?

    I’d find a mirror and ponder for a bit…

  • 139. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 20, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    Namely, that they think so little of the Americans between the coasts that they have to pass judgment on their ability to make choices, not just the candidates that they might elect.

  • 140. PFesser  |  June 20, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    Paul Krugman – don’t get me started.

    If there were ever a perfect example to prove that the Nobel is nothing but a political award, there he is. He is a complete ninny.

  • 141. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 20, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    If there were ever a perfect example to prove that the Nobel is nothing but a political award, there he is.

    *cough* Lord Zero *cough*

  • 142. El Tigre  |  June 20, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    What about the great Goregasm?

  • 143. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 20, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    What about the great Goregasm?

    Do not speak of him on His Most Holy Internets, lest you release all of his shockras at once.

  • 144. PFesser  |  June 20, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    Yep. Jimma Carter, Gore for God’s sake, Bo.

    All political. Simply a fuck-you to conservative America. No question in my mind at all.

  • 145. PFesser  |  June 20, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Show you how bad the educational system is:

    When I was in engineering school I did a class presentation on public-key cryptography and how it had allowed perfectly secure credit-card ordering online. As part of the presentation I mentioned how Al Gore had invented the Internet. Now this was 1997, mind you – not too long after that was all over the press.

    Not a sound in the room. That is except for the professor, who was cracking up. The studs were just copying down what I had said. Fucking clueless.

    I was talking to my sons last night over dinner about various wars. Lee’s retreat went through my property. When I sensed some confusion I asked my son who had just graduated a PRIVATE high school “When was the Civil War?” He had no clue. Not even the century. I was f’in pissed. We went to the Revolutionary War. Clueless. So my wife and I started with the Rev. War and discussed every goddamned war up to Vietnam, with the dates and the appropriate discussions. I even went through the beach names at Normandy and which country went in at each one. Damn this educational system! Damn it! The older boy, who did much more poorly in school, surprisingly knew quite a bit more – know why? Much of this data was in the online videogames he plays incessantly.

    I’m with you, Rutherford. I don’t know what is going to happen to my kids…

  • 146. Rutherford  |  June 20, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Tex, you think I say these things out of the blue and without provocation. It was you who claimed the Palin’s to be “a pretty nice family”. Now I don’t know how you define such things. Have I ever claimed Joe Biden to have a “pretty nice family”? I haven’t the foggiest idea. And most people with troubled family members like Biden have the good sense to keep their family on the down-low, but not Palin … NOR any of her GOP contemporaries who insist on trumpeting family values only to be tripped up by their own humanity (see Larry Craig and David Vitter). You see THAT is a key distinction between Vitter and Weiner. Weiner never claimed to be a squeaky clean family man. He didn’t wear family on his sleeve. It’s your party that insists on not only making that a litmus test but for hypocritically pretending to meet the test.

    As for intelligence, wow did you go off on a major wrong tangent there. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with my alma mater. Does Sarah know a lot more about running the State of Alaska than I do? Sure she does. Does she know better how to be a sports reporter for the local news than I do? Damn straight. Can I win a single beauty contest? Not on your life. But can I beat the lovin’ crap out of her in a speaking or writing contest? Sorry dude … there’s no debate about it. It has nothing to do with Harvard per se. It may have to do with my attending one college instead of five. That kind of disjointed education may very well f*ck up your head.

    Last but not least you’ve pulled your old trick again … she’s a mess but these guys are worse. I don’t know much about baseball but I think that’s three strikes.

    You’re out!

    P.S. If my wife and I just let the bare-butt photo slide without comment and she turned out to be a porn-star one day … yup I’d take full responsibility as a lousy parent. I know kids are eventually responsible for their own behavior but scratch the surface of the average really f*cked up adult, and you find f*cked up parents in their past. I have a very high standard for parenting …. one that probably dooms me to future regrets.

  • 147. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 20, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    But can I beat the lovin’ crap out of her in a speaking or writing contest? Sorry dude … there’s no debate about it.

    Sorry dude, but I don’t think I can recall the last time you wrote in a fashion that communicated facts this well:

    http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150112361088435

    Points backed by facts, followed by a summation, backed by facts, and a thesis based upon reasonable inferrance of the facts.

    Maybe its those emails where she cannot write?

    After all, the assessment reported by that known conservative news outlet, AOL says she writes like an eighth-grader.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110613/pl_ac/8633173_latest_revelation_from_palin_emails_she_is_literate_in_english

    Of course, the bad news for you is

    That places Palin on a level with a typical corporate CEO. Indeed, by not using overly complicated language, Palin demonstrates in her emails that she is able to communicate complex subjects with great clarity.

    I know, I know. She obviously has someone else author all of her Facebook notes, and had a scribe typing all of her emails for her when she was in office.

    This would be funny if you weren’t so pathetic on this topic.

  • 148. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Rutherford, 3 strikes and I’m out. :lol: So the move has got you a little riled, hey?

    And by the way, the next time you say “right on” Pfesser, please try to remember, Pfesser just called you economic genius a ninny.

    Correctly, I might add.

  • 149. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    And most people with troubled family members like Biden have the good sense to keep their family on the down-low, but not Palin

    How would you think I knew Biden’s daughter a coke head? She’s on video snorting a line, down low dip.

    … NOR any of his DIM contemporaries who insist on trumpeting virtuous liberal values, only to be tripped up by their own laws (see Charlie Rangel and Maxine Waters).

    Rutherford – you have a mental disease called liberalism. Otherwise, you could be a functional human being. It renders you practically useless – I bring sanity to your life from your blog. :twisted: If you would begin treatment, you might be able to have a rational thought or two before you pass. Do it for your daughter.

  • 150. An800lbgorilla  |  June 20, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    R, you gonna respond to the ten reasons Obama loses 2012?

  • 151. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 20, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    R, you gonna respond to the ten reasons Obama loses 2012?

    He’s still trying to figure out how Palin’s writing in emails isn’t really on par with that of CEOs, or more likely a way to show that CEOs with such poor email and writing skills are a prime contributor to Obama’s Unemployment Figures, and the dismal national economy that the government can’t strangle fast enough.

    Then it will take him a few minutes to figure out why those reasons are wrong. I’m guessint the first might be bceause the author didn’t go the tight skrewl of higher indoctrination.

  • 152. poolman  |  June 20, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Devo say Palin proves their “Theory of Devolution”.

  • 153. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 20, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    “Of course, the bad news for you is….”

    I’ve got even worse news for him.

    It places her on the same level as Barack Obama.

  • 154. fakename2  |  June 20, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    I read that exerpt from Sarsh’a FB page and cracked up. First of all, those are not “facts”. Everything there is disputed. And actually, no, I don’t really think Sarah herself wrote it, but let’s say she did. It would not suprise me that she communicates better in writing, when she’s had some time to think, because anything would be an improvement over her impromptu garbling. I also approve of communicating simply, because it is in fact the only way to communicate properly. Two of the people I hate most in the comunication department are (or used to be) William Buckley and Christopher Hitchens, both of whom are (or were) insufferable self-promoting jerks. But simple is only a good quality when you’re right, and when you aren’t lying.
    Then I read the “AOL” commentary. It would be interesting to know who this guy really is. I have no time or appetite to find out, but certainly there is no bias in his comments, right? Like saying that Barack Obama uses his rhetorical skills to confuse and obfuscate. Really? Perhaps he just doesn’t understand :)
    I personally feel a lot more obfuscated listening to Sarah Palin.

  • 155. Pfesser  |  June 20, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Hey, now…Watch it!

    Hitch and WFB are my heroes…

  • 156. dead rabbit  |  June 20, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Sara Palin is a butt dart. Lets move on.

  • 157. Pfesser  |  June 20, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Mmmmm….reggae…calypso

    Don’t know this guy. Got any more info?

  • 158. dead rabbit  |  June 20, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    Reggae dude from the golden of age….late 70’s to med 80’s.

  • 159. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 20, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Devo say Palin proves their “Theory of Devolution”.

    Yes! Yes! Of Course!
    I ALWAYS consult entertainers to give me their appraisals of other people’s intellectual ability…because they are so qualified to repeat what all the other cool kids are repeating to make that judgment.

  • 160. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 20, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    I personally feel a lot more obfuscated listening to Sarah Palin.

    I’m not suprised. She doesn’t require contradictions, shades of grey, and insufferable nuances, and skittles shitting unicorns to make policy statements, unlike Lord Zero, and his retinue.

    No “your energy costs will necessarily skyrocket” and stated policy to destroy the coal industry so that we will all switch over to super-efficent solar and wind power than doesn’t exist, and likely never will. But hey, commrade, just look at the success that the planned economies of the old Soviet Union were! A tractor for everyone in the Motherland! You could even have a few gallons of gas every other month! Never mind the fact that the farms wer all collectivised anyway, taking away the incentive to produce. The guys in the tractor factor felt the same way, since they’d get paid whter they did the job right or not…

  • 161. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Fake,

    Did you meet up with me for a Coke date in Destin?

    I’m coming your way good looking, and here’s your chance for payback on the sociopath. Drive on over and I’ll buy you a bottle of that cheap wine you drink, and I’ll choke down a frozen margarita. We can “philosophize” and shoot the bull. Kiss and make up. Group hug. Butterfly kisses.

    Tell your boyfriends here is my pic so they’ll know who to look for:

  • 162. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    I think I forgot a “want to” there – I’m not sure how that happened, because I know I typed it.

    Pffft…

  • 163. Tex Taylor  |  June 20, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Devo say Palin proves their “Theory of Devolution”.

    Cher used to run her mouth about how stupid George Bush early in his Presidency until somebody got wise, looked up her credentials, and determined she was a high school dropout. :lol: We never heard from Cher again.

    That pretty much held for the other deviants from Hollywood and the music scene. Ever heard Bruce Springsteen interviewed? He sounds like corner man at a boxing match – I kept waiting for him to scream jab and move, jab and move.

    You got to love entertainers and musicians. Savant idiots.

  • 164. dead rabbit  |  June 20, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Re 161

    LOL

  • 165. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 12:47 am

    BiW I cannot believe the word “thesis” and Palin occurred within the same comment. I’m truly sick to my stomach.

  • 166. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 12:51 am

    R, you gonna respond to the ten reasons Obama loses 2012?

    G, if you’re referring to your latest blog post, which I haven’t had a chance to peruse yet, it will have to wait until Wednesday. I expect to be without electricity for the better part of Tuesday while a disconnected PVC conduit gets fixed. :-(

  • 167. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 12:56 am

    I ALWAYS consult entertainers to give me their …

    This coming from the same crew who quoted Gene Simmons in a prior thread. ROTFLMAO Then again, I think that may have been Gorilla … not fair to tarnish BiW with G’s brush.

  • 168. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 12:58 am

    Oh
    My
    God
    I just saw Palin and “policy statements” in the same comment. Please, BiW make the madness stop!!!!

  • 169. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 1:00 am

    Tell your boyfriends here is my pic so they’ll know who to look for:

    If only you could look that handsome! :lol:

  • 170. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 1:02 am

    Savant idiots.

    I believe the phrase is idiot savants. I find your getting that backward pretty ironic. :-)

  • 171. an800lbgorilla  |  June 21, 2011 at 5:30 am

  • 172. PFesser  |  June 21, 2011 at 8:16 am

    re: Rutherford and Snowdrift Snooki in a writing contest:

    “Doc Holliday: Why Ike, whatever do you mean? Maybe poker’s just not your game Ike. I know! Let’s have a spelling contest! ”

    How about that, Rutherford? Maybe writing is not her game. Think you can beat her in a spelling contest?

  • 173. El Tigre  |  June 21, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Tex was your use of savants idot was intentional as it was here:

    http://www.forbes.com/2008/10/24/alan-greenspan-idiot-oped-cx_mt_1024thomas.html

    Well, hell. Let’s ask our resident speech cop, FN.

    FN, please keep your explanation to one or two sentences (so we can be sure you’re right and not lying of course).

  • 174. El Tigre  |  June 21, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Tex, how do I do that Obama poster thingy? I’m hoping there’s an internet generator of some kind. That is priceless.

  • 175. Tex Taylor  |  June 21, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Idiot Savant – yeah, that’s the ticket. :lol: I first came across that term about 20 years ago on 60 Minutes – and they did call the segment The Savant Idiots.

    Teach me to get my info from Mike Wallace…

    Excellent… http://blog.chron.com/texaspolitics/2011/06/perry-adds-anti-tsa-bill-to-special-session/.

  • 176. Tex Taylor  |  June 21, 2011 at 8:37 am

    Pretty interesting article here – the end result of selective sex birthing. Guess what happens when you start tinkering with God’s Laws? It’s not pretty.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303657404576361691165631366.html

  • 177. Tex Taylor  |  June 21, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Tigre,

    Are you speaking about my Jimmy Obama gravatar? If so, the easiest way I’ve found is to save the file (Jpeg) to your hard drive, and go here to create an account.

    http://www.gravatar.com

    You’ll upload the file, crop whatever you need, and save it.

  • 178. Tex Taylor  |  June 21, 2011 at 8:43 am

    In reference to #176…here’s the paragraph that needs to be read by the “pro-choice” crowd:

    Despite the author’s intentions, “Unnatural Selection” might be one of the most consequential books ever written in the campaign against abortion. It is aimed, like a heat-seeking missile, against the entire intellectual framework of “choice.” For if “choice” is the moral imperative guiding abortion, then there is no way to take a stand against “gendercide.” Aborting a baby because she is a girl is no different from aborting a baby because she has Down syndrome or because the mother’s “mental health” requires it. Choice is choice. One Indian abortionist tells Ms. Hvistendahl: “I have patients who come and say ‘I want to abort because if this baby is born it will be a Gemini, but I want a Libra.’ ”

    This is where choice leads. This is where choice has already led. Ms. Hvistendahl may wish the matter otherwise, but there are only two alternatives: Restrict abortion or accept the slaughter of millions of baby girls and the calamities that are likely to come with it.

    Grisly…

  • 179. Tex Taylor  |  June 21, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Pfesser,

    You might find this interesting. This time, without my mocking… :smile: No Fat Granny jokes today. I need to get back over there and smack some more fat ass. I gave them a week reprieve.

    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/575847/201106201754/Stimulus-Prevented-Second-Depression-Evidence-Says-No.htm

    Doesn’t appear that Obama prevented another Depression. But he apparently is dead set on putting us into one.

    One of the most interesting aspects of that M&H site for me, is that for all of the jetsam and flotsam, there are a few good posters that remain for no apparent reason. Strange phenomenon.

    We do disagree on one aspect about the libs there. You are right – I do consider most of them the enemy and subhuman, no different than the thief who steals my car, or the fascist who tries to screw up my children’s lives. I suppose it is a matter of perspective.

  • 180. El Tigre  |  June 21, 2011 at 9:55 am

    “Are you speaking about my Jimmy Obama gravatar?”

    No. The Rutherford Hope and Change at #161.

    Although a Rutherford/Obama (Obamaford) gravatar would be great.

  • 181. MuffyMcD  |  June 21, 2011 at 10:51 am

    ” While no one is perfect, it does seem to me rank hypocrisy to talk about honesty and virtue in politics and then betray everyone around you with brazenly stupid behavior that you then try to lie to get out of.” -Rutherford

    If you see the progressives in your neighborhood dressed in black this week it is because they are in mourning.” -Rutherford

    Chin up, Skipper. Weiner won’t stay down long ;)

    In other news…Nobodies continued making meaningless remarks about Somebodies. Recently we were illuminated by an aide to a former British Prime Minister (a bogus story to begin with), then a one-hit wonder act stuck in the 80s. Devo is a Halloween costume. What’s next? Cartoon characters?

    Oh wait. That’s probably exactly what’s next.

    Coming from someone with the street cred of a carnival dunk tank insult clown. Let’s talk about your education, whydontwe? Is that a telephone pole in your eye or are you just happy to see Sarah?

    “…simple is only a good quality when you’re right, and when you aren’t lying.” -Fakename2

    I heard something similar less than a week ago and I was struck by the simple truth of it.

    …a butt dart. -dead rabbit

    I think I know…but I’m not sure.

  • 182. PFesser  |  June 21, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Tex et al –

    As you know, I have had a strong sense that we as a country are on a hellbound train, with 90% of Americans blithely unaware. Of course that doesn’t make me special; a lot of people are quite alarmed.

    I was sent this link this morning. I am about half-way through.

    http://www.stansberryresearch.com/pro/1103PSIEOAVD/LPSIM664/PR

    If you guys get a few minutes I would like some commentary, because it really feels right to me.

  • 183. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Tex, how do I do that Obama poster thingy? I’m hoping there’s an internet generator of some kind. That is priceless.

    Not generated by Tex … he borrowed it from my Twitter page. Sadly Tigre I actually don’t remember what tool I used to generate it as I think I did it way back in 2008 or so. But you are right, it is an automatic generator where you submit a photo and it generates Hope and Change.

    Interestingly enough, the tool was created as an homage to Obama, not to mock him as one might think.

  • 184. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Chin up, Skipper. Weiner won’t stay down long ;)

    I enjoyed that line tremendously. :-)

  • 185. El Tigre  |  June 21, 2011 at 11:21 am

    “Interestingly enough, the tool was created as an homage to Obama, not to mock him as one might think.”

    Well, Dukakis in a tank was intended to make him look tough.

    http://iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/fe_da_080128tank_10420-jpg.jpeg?w=540&h=360

    Looks like reality betrayed the image again.

  • 186. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 11:25 am

    I’m watching the Stansberry video and DAMN … I’ve never seen such a long intro in my life … GET TO IT MAN!!!!!

  • 187. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Tigre, regarding Dukakis, it is amazing just how bad a candidate’s communications strategy can be.

    Interestingly, Obama’s strategy as a candidate was brilliant. His communication strategy went in the toilet on Jan 20, 2009.

  • 188. Tex Taylor  |  June 21, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Sorry Tigre. I misunderstood – my tribute to Rutherford. I thought I might make that my gravatar, but I was afraid Rutherford would come looking for blood if I did, threaten to sue me, beat my ass, divulge all my secrets to Fake, including what my puppy that was killed last year looked like, claim of copyright infringement…. :smile:

    I’m on his bad list right now and desperately need to get back into good graces. I almost sent him a family pic from Hawaii – but I would scared he would photoshop it, making us look about 3′ tall and 4′ wide.

    If there’s one lib that could get me in trouble on the entire WWW, it would be Rutherford.

  • 189. an800lbgorilla  |  June 21, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Really?

  • 190. an800lbgorilla  |  June 21, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Comparable?

  • 191. PFesser  |  June 21, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Shit. It looks like that stansberry link was just an ad for his newsletter. My bad. The ad for the link went through a few things and he started out with some specifics. I’ll try to find the video he talks about. sorry.

  • 192. PFesser  |  June 21, 2011 at 11:47 am

    I finally quit on the stansberry thing. I think it is all to get you to subscribe to his newsletter. Sorry about that, Rutherford.

  • 193. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    No problem Pfesser. I’ve still got the video playing in the background and while I guess I can no longer expect to hear his “solution” I do like the way he lays out the problem. It is pretty straightforward.

    This hits me close to home because I have been America for the past ten years and I don’t know how I let things get out of control. Throughout my 20’s and 30’s I used credit cards ONLY for convenience because I didn’t like carrying my checkbook or cash. I paid my balance in full every month. My mother never understood it. “Why use a credit card if you’re going to pay it off every month.” I was pretty arrogant about it … “Mom, you don’t purchase what you can’t pay for.” Honest to goodness, I don’t know where I started to go off track but in my 40’s (as I got married and had a kid) I stopped paying balances in full. Started satisfying wants NOW instead of budgeting to pay for them when I could afford them.

    That’s one reason why this move to Naperville is so important for me because the money I will get out of this house will pay off massive credit card debt. Then, I need to change my attitude back to what it was in my 20’s and 30’s.

    Also … rising prices … I see it every day. I started criticizing my wife because she couldn’t keep the grocery bill under $150.00 a week. Then I started shopping with her and realized she wasn’t being reckless. Everything costs too damn much!!!

    So Pfesser, while your Stansberry link may be a glorified commercial, it does speak to me.

  • 194. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    But DAMN, he is long-winded!

  • 195. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Oh sorry … one difference between me and America …. I can’t print money at will. :-(

  • 196. El Tigre  |  June 21, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Tex, you seem mighty paranoid. You haven’t been texting pictures of your “peace maker” to ol’ Rutherford or FN have you?

    (I forgot about the Obama/Pee Wee Herman trip to Nantucket or Martha’s Vineyard — good times. . . good times).

  • 197. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Actually, Rabbit is the only one on this board, not on Facebook, whose picture I have … and his “member” is completely covered thank goodness. :-)

  • 198. Tex Taylor  |  June 21, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    No Tigre, Rutherford has identified my old pup. He might to trace me back… :smile:

    ———-

    That Stansberry thing contained some good info (which I already knew), but he is long-winded, and it pissed me off that it became a newsletter. Most of that sounded too good to be true – and we know the rule of thumb. Gold and silver are good assets to own – in reasonable quantities. I wouldn’t want to stake my life on them, though. My silver investors have recently found that out the hard way.

    And the prick who just bought the yacht is going against the grain if Stansberry is right. Exactly what is he going to use for fuel? A paddle? What a crock. That’s when I knew Stansberry was a fear monger and blowhard.

    I started thinking what would one really need if all hell broke loose: (1) water, (2) food, (3) Something to protect yourself with, (4) Something to hide behind.

    Seems to me owning land would be pretty important too. Of course, that assumes nobody is going to come take it from you.

    Listen, if it really does get that bad, I’ll tell you the same thing I told my wife if a nuclear bomb goes off. Put me right at ground zero. What’s the use of surviving if your life is nothing but survival?

    I refuse to live in fear. And if food gets short, I’ve been needing to lose 10lbs for years now. Would like a bottle of water.

  • 200. dead rabbit  |  June 21, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    I’m hung like a rabbit. My pathetic pink wiener isn’t one of my asset.

    As for Facebook….no way…..not for me.

  • 201. dead rabbit  |  June 21, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    assets

  • 202. Tex Taylor  |  June 21, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Gorilla,

    Don’t you know that took some time to replicate? Very cool…

  • 203. PFesser  |  June 21, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Rutherford et al:

    I scoured YouTube and ran across this:

    The nice thing about YouTube is that you can scroll; when I did it seems to be the real thing. I’ll check it out; I just fired my associate and I am doing all the work until I can get his replacement up to speed so it may be a little while before I can see it.

    Re: credit card debt, etc. The best I have seen on getting yourself straight is an old Jane Bryant Quinn book, “Your Money” or something like that. Elizabeth Warren has a dynamite book called “All Your Worth.” It is actually probably better than the JBQ book and has a very simple method for getting right with God. (All the complex ideas are bullshit because nobody can stick to them.) Highly recommended. I just went through it with my kids – not that it did any good.

    First thing is to put any extra cash toward the credit card bill. If I told you I could make you 24% tax free and GUARANTEED, you would go for it in a minute. I can. Pay off your credit cards. That is not bullshit; it is as real as if you were making that in an investment.
    Doc

  • 204. PFesser  |  June 21, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    By the way. Credit card companies are the antichrist.

    Correction: co-antichrist with insurance companies.

  • 205. Tex Taylor  |  June 21, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Pfesser,

    That is what I watched. Don’t waste your time – he talks 15 minutes building to the climax, then makes his sales pitch. Some of the books are free – why he can’t include that in the video is beyond me.

    Credit cards are one of the best things ever created – if you pay them off every month. Can’t say the same for debit cards.

    Use the retailer’s money every month, then zero the balance.

    Otherwise Pfesser, you are correct – and 24% sounds cheap. My poor neighbor across the street is getting tagged 26.9% from Sears. She’s in trouble because of her worthless kids and is going to lose her house because of it. Sad story and 75 years old, had to have a lawn mower and a water heater.

  • 206. dead rabbit  |  June 21, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Well boys, I am now an official world market/currency trader.

  • 207. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Rabbit, I’m a bit slow … you talkin’ FOREX?

  • 208. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Back when I was in the market, I had a real curiosity about FOREX but never acted on it. I stayed away from options as well … too damn complicated and I didn’t trust myself to do it right.

  • 209. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    I just fired my associate

    Damn PF, I hope the blog didn’t get you sufficiently riled up to take it out on the help. :-)

  • 210. PFesser  |  June 21, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Rutherford –

    Nah man, we have been having problems for several years. He’s basically extremely self-centered, won’t answer calls from the ER because it “slows him down,” – stuff like that. Scheduling problems, passive-aggressive behavior, acting shitty with the staff. Decent doc, but that puts him in a category with 98% of all board-certified radiologists – and with a buck and that you can get a cup of coffee. I gotta have someone who wants to be here and takes the attitude that, that patient could be my daughter, wife, dad, etc. and I need to take care of them first and go fishin’ later. He’s just not salvageable, IMHO. I need a team player.

  • 211. El Tigre  |  June 21, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Well PF, that last comment proves your not a democrat.

  • 212. El Tigre  |  June 21, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    “you’re”

  • 213. El Tigre  |  June 21, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    Nice comment on your Twitter R:

    “Is TX really 43rd in high school graduations? Do we really want another dumbass running our country? #rickperry”

    So, did Perry not graduate? Or is it that people from Texas are dumb-asses because the graduation rate is low, and since Perry is from Texas he is a dumb-ass?

    Since HS graduation rates among blacks lag behind whites in all 50 states, can I assume you will not be voting for Obama?

  • 214. Tex Taylor  |  June 21, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    CAD, Swiss Francs, A$

  • 215. dead rabbit  |  June 21, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    Options are great for a ghetto bird like me. If I stay glued to the market and news, I can usually jump off any train wreck that I might find myself on.

    Dude, I’m not sure if I’m bragging here or being self effacing, but I squeak out about 4 or 5 hundred bucks a week on an account with a laughable amount of money in it. It’s matter of time when I get cleaned out, but at this point, taking a loss is impossible. It sure beats roofing.

    Sometime I do things for literally 20 or 30 bucks profit after Etrade charges me.

    I just cashed in for my weekly profit already and it’s only Tuesday! 400 bucks.

    Just look at this stock alone, and you can see how some sap like me is cashing in. Fucking money machine. Buy low and sell for a profit. Rinse hands and repeat.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=BORK.PK+Interactive#chart1:symbol=bork.pk;range=3m;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined

    i have access to world markets but I don’t think I can speculate currencies. You need a boat load of cash for the FOREX.

    Maybe one day.

    I’m like Forest Gump of investing.

    The shit I do is ludicrous.

  • 216. El Tigre  |  June 21, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    Oh, but NJ leads the pack:

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/nj_high_school_graduation_rate.html

    Hmmm. So the Jersey Shore douchebags are a safer bet as president than those dumb-asses in CT?

  • 217. dead rabbit  |  June 21, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    My biggest pain in the ass is that rule that bars you from selling, taking the profits the same day and buying and selling again.

  • 218. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    My biggest pain in the ass is that rule that bars you from selling, taking the profits the same day and buying and selling again.

    Ain’t that simply day-trading? If memory serves if you had the proper “credentials” you could do it. I used to use Scottrade and Zecco. Scottrade for my long term holdings and Zecco for my active trading cos back in the day it was a certain number of commission free trades per month (they stopped that). I could have sworn one of them said if they caught you day trading, you had to submit some sort of form. My memory’s real fuzzy on it.

  • 219. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    LOL … Tigre, by now you should know Twitter is my public room for scream therapy. Yeah as I hit enter on that tweet I realized it didn’t really make logical sense. I guess I was just suggesting that dumb-ass-ness is simply in the air in Texas. :-)

  • 220. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    What used to really piss me off about trading (and why Zecco appealed to me at the time) was that the damn commissions ate up my profits. I was investing miniscule amounts of money such that I’d need ridiculous gains just to clear the damn commission hurdle. :-(

  • 221. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 21, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    Also … rising prices … I see it every day. I started criticizing my wife because she couldn’t keep the grocery bill under $150.00 a week. Then I started shopping with her and realized she wasn’t being reckless. Everything costs too damn much!!!

    Thanks, Obama, for making food fuel, and fuel more expensive becuase of short-sighted and idiotic energy policies!

    You’re the dreamiest.

    Your BBF,
    Rutherford

  • 222. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    BiW don’t we also have the shrinking value of the dollar to blame as well as other factors? Not sure I understand how this is the result of poor energy policy alone.

  • 223. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Your BBF,
    Rutherford

    LOL I believe the acronym is BFF unless of course you mean “Best Black Friend”. :lol:

  • 224. Pfesser  |  June 21, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    As opposed to BBW.

    Or as I learned yesterday, SSBBW.

    Ah, the world of porn. Something for every taste.

  • 225. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 21, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    BiW don’t we also have the shrinking value of the dollar to blame as well as other factors? Not sure I understand how this is the result of poor energy policy alone.

    Sure, we also have inflation from idiotic monetary policy as well, but when you make foodstuffs more profitiable as fuel, and a “we can’t drill anywhere” + “let’s wipe out coal” + “your energy prices will necessarily skyrocket” + mandates for percentages of domestic production to be from [nonexistent or laughably inefficient] “green” (you’ll note I didn’t say “renewable”, because hydorelectric is not lumped into this category) sources, then you have a recipe that ensures that the supply shrinks as the cost of cultivation and transport to market go up. A triple whammy that is completely and utterly avoidable, and promotes, not alieviates, misery for many people.

  • 226. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 21, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    LOL I believe the acronym is BFF unless of course you mean “Best Black Friend”.

    Give me a break. I’ve been here 12 hours today. I think I’m done.

  • 227. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 21, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Ah, the world of porn. Something for every taste.

    Rule 34. No exceptions.

  • 228. dead rabbit  |  June 21, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Obama and his banker buddies love the cheap dollar. Obama can kick the can and the bankers take zero interest fiat funny money and snatch up commodities from the masses. Oh yeah, they loan it back to the government for a higher interest rate.

    Can you imagine counterfeiting the dollar in your garage, giving it away to Satan and then paying Satan interest when he loans the money back to you.

    When Satan pounds on the door with a pitchfork, you nervously hold your two year old daughter and use her as a bizarre sort of collateral, promising Satan her soul. Poor little girl had no say in the matter.

    Now take in mind, just 4 years ago, Satan loaned all the crackheads billions of dollars and then managed to sell the debt off as if all the loans were made to Ward Cleaver.

    We don’t know the deal Satan made with Standard & Poor’s to pull this off. However, Satan walked out of their offices with a smirk, as if they were so stupid he didn’t even need to go to his legendary ancient bag of tricks.

    When it looked like the neighborhood was going to collapse and your neighbors started turning to the Gospel to learn how to live proper, Satan was in a jam.

    He angrily reminded you the favors he’s done for you in your life. Got your uncoordinated ass on the baseball team. Ugly and zit faced, but prom king nonetheless. He even made you mayor and is promising you another term! If he goes, so do you! So you ran to your garage counterfeiting press like Johannes Gensfleisch zur Laden zum Gutenberg. It was so much cash you needed to drag it over on a tarp.

    You keep printing for him. And he keeps loaning it back to you while snatching up all the leaded gasoline in the neighborhood. Others like the Dead Rabbit start snatching it up too!

    You try to tell the town we’ve gone “Green” while quietly enjoying the high prices. That pisses many of them off, but not enough. After all, you’re taking that money Satan loaned you and giving cartons of smokes to the nicotine addicts. Free smokes and they love ya for it.

    You don’t think the non smokers will ever figure this shit out.

    But they will. And when they do, they’re gonna cut the head off the Devil and throw it at you!

  • 229. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    Rabbit, that last comment is exactly why I say your talents are wasted on this board. Spend the next six months revving up dude and launch the Dead Rabbit Blog on January 1, 2012. Election year man … make your voice heard and blow some f*cking minds boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!

  • 230. Rutherford  |  June 21, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    Ah, the world of porn. Something for every taste.

    Pfesser in my Internet travels I discovered years ago that there was an orthotics fetish. I sh*t you not. Guys getting off on girls who wear leg braces. Since I wear leg braces myself I was kinda bummed that the fetish didn’t work in reverse with girls lusting after braced guys.

    Just confirmed for me that all the girls are lining up for Rabbit. :neutral:

  • 231. Tex Taylor  |  June 21, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    The weaker the dollar, the more expensive your crude oil prices. Throw in our inability to drill and exploit our own resources, the idiocy of green energy policies like biofuels, our idiotic monetary policies, the Obama “turn to shit” Mummy curse….

    You’re damn straight Obama and his insufferable cabinet and policies are responsible for higher food prices.

  • 232. Tex Taylor  |  June 21, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    I had to look up SSBBW.. :lol: :lol: :lol: Sounds like Wendy’s menu of Porn.

    I knew what BBW meant – had no idea what the SS was for – Super Sized. :lol:

    There’s some seriously sick (SS) deviants out there.

  • 233. dead rabbit  |  June 21, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    “launch the Dead Rabbit Blog on January 1, 2012″

    ha. thanks. but sensico already has a blog. A peanut is operates best in a gallery.

  • 234. dead rabbit  |  June 21, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    peanut operates

  • 235. an800lbgorilla  |  June 22, 2011 at 5:16 am

    Pfesser in my Internet travels I discovered years ago that there was an orthotics fetish. I sh*t you not. Guys getting off on girls who wear leg braces. Since I wear leg braces myself I was kinda bummed that the fetish didn’t work in reverse with girls lusting after braced guys.” – R

    But you still have a chance with the boys R, or are you so closed minded?

  • 236. an800lbgorilla  |  June 22, 2011 at 5:18 am

    I’d love to hear R defend this…

    “(Human Events) — Tony the Tiger, some NASCAR drivers and cookie-selling Girl Scouts will be out of a job unless grocery manufacturers agree to reinvent a vast array of their products to satisfy the Obama administration’s food police.

    Either retool the recipes to contain certain levels of sugar, sodium and fats, or no more advertising and marketing to tots and teenagers, say several federal regulatory agencies.

    The same goes for restaurants.

    It’s not just the usual suspected foods that are being targeted, such a thin mint cookies sold by scouts or M&Ms and Snickers, which sponsor cars in the Sprint Cup, but pretty much everything on a restaurant menu.

    Although the intent of the guidelines is to combat childhood obesity, foods that are low in calories, fat, and some considered healthy foods, are also targets, including hot breakfast cereals such as oatmeal, pretzels, popcorn, nuts, yogurt, wheat bread, bagels, diet drinks, fruit juice, tea, bottled water, milk and sherbet.

    Food industries are in an uproar over the proposal written by the Federal Trade Commission, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Food and Drug Administration and the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

    “The most disturbing aspect of this interagency working group is, after it imposes multibillions of dollars in restrictions on the food industry, there is no evidence of any impact on the scourge of childhood obesity,” said Dan Jaffe, executive vice president of the Association of National Advertisers.”

  • 237. an800lbgorilla  |  June 22, 2011 at 5:40 am

    This is why I am sympathetic to the insurance industry…

    This took place in Charlotte , North Carolina . A lawyer purchased a box of very rare and expensive cigars, then insured them against, among other things, fire. Within a month, having smoked his entire stockpile of these great cigars, the lawyer filed a claim against the insurance company.

    In his claim, the lawyer stated the cigars were lost ‘in a series of small fires’ … The insurance company refused to pay. The obvious reason, that the man had consumed the cigars in the normal fashion.

    The lawyer sued and WON! Delivering the ruling, the judge agreed with the insurance company that the claim was frivolous. The judge stated nevertheless, that the lawyer held a policy from the company, in which it had warranted that the cigars were insurable and also guaranteed that it would insure them against fire, without defining what is considered to be unacceptable ‘fire’ and was obligated to pay the claim.

    Rather than endure lengthy and costly appeal process, the insurance company accepted the ruling and paid $15,000 to the lawyer for his loss of the cigars that perished in the ‘fires’.

    After the lawyer cashed the check, the insurance company had him arrested on 24 counts of ARSON!!! With his own insurance claim and testimony from the previous case being used against him, the lawyer was convicted of intentionally burning his insured property and was sentenced to 24 months in jail AND a $24,000 fine.

  • 238. PFesser  |  June 22, 2011 at 8:14 am

    “Pfesser in my Internet travels I discovered years ago that there was an orthotics fetish. I sh*t you not. ”

    Rutherford, I have a friend who owns a porn megasite; I have done some camera work for him and his wife, as well as actually being in several soft core (no fucking) vids in various capacities. It’s a ball of fun; these people are such a blast to be around, and everybody is having a good time. There is an old research article that concluded that higher intelligence correlated highly with an …um…”varied” sexual repertoire, and working with these people confirms it. The guy was a Fulbright music scholar. Go figure.

    Anyway, my friend is always on some discussion panel or other at the adult conferences, since as near as I can tell, he is a real expert on Everything. When asked a question, his favorite line is, “Well, say, for example, you are running a one-legged BBW spanking bondage Oriental smoking watermelon-eating foot fetish site.” Then he goes on to answer the particulars of the question…pretty funny.

    The thing that was such a surprise to me was that there were smoking sites. Yes, people who get off on watching people have sex while they are smoking cigarettes. If they saw what I see every day, or had my experience as a med student watching a cancerous, moth-eaten, fetid lung’s being removed, I think that fetish would die out pretty quickly.

    Yep, there’s something for everybody…

  • 239. PFesser  |  June 22, 2011 at 8:24 am

    Tex –
    “There’s some seriously sick (SS) deviants out there.”

    You gotta get out more, man. Now that these people have discovered via the Internet that there are millions the world over that share their interests and that there is nothing to be ashamed of, they are just enjoying their particular fetishes – without the guilt. Viola! No more back-room video arcades or sneaking around. I think the benefit is immense…

    It seems to me that the drug war people could learn a thing or two from it.

  • 240. El Tigre  |  June 22, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Sorry Gorilla. Your 237 story is completely fabricated. And of course, a consuming a consumable is not an insurable loss under any policy (like any intentional destruction property).

  • 241. dead rabbit  |  June 22, 2011 at 9:01 am

    “I think the benefit is immense…”-PFesser

    I think you might be on to something there. If we polled the experts and laymen alike in, say, the year 1984, about what the effects would be of an infinite amount of pornography located in every household, I think the predictions would be far more ominous then the current reality.

  • 242. PFesser  |  June 22, 2011 at 9:56 am

    “If we polled the experts and laymen alike in, say, the year 1984, about what the effects would be of an infinite amount of pornography located in every household, I think the predictions would be far more ominous then the current reality.”

    Agreed. The moralists have definitely lost this one; the cat got out of the bag before they could clamp down and stop the dissemination of porn, so the experiment was then actually run and results are in. It’s just fine.

    We ran the experiment in the ‘thirties on prohibiting particular drug and that didn’t work, so we stopped prohibiting it. Now, however, the constabulary and those with a vested monetary interest in continuing the Stupid Drug War (SDW) have the upper hand and they are not ABOUT to let us run the experiment (legalization) and see how it works. After all, they might *lose* and we can’t have that now, can we? What would they do with all that cop equipment, all those prison jobs, all that fun flying their fucking black ninja helicopters and shooting women’s brains out while they nurse their infants? What kind of fun is that?

    Get me fired up a little more and I’ll tell you about my “conversation” with an FBI recruiter at my little engineering school a few years ago. Fucking assholes – er, I mean great patriots…

  • 243. Tex Taylor  |  June 22, 2011 at 10:21 am

    You gotta get out more, man. Now that these people have discovered via the Internet that there are millions the world over that share their interests and that there is nothing to be ashamed of, they are just enjoying their particular fetishes – without the guilt.

    No need to get out – in fact, it would appear you “stay in.” I was actually teasing with my own Super Sized hyperbole. I have to assume these SSBBWs are morbidly obese women. If that flips your boat, who am I to question? I always thought the most appealing women had a little meat on the curves too – not just 350lbs of it.

    Of course, there’s apparently a lot of people out there who also get off being peed upon, tasting feces, and having large objects and animals shoved up their rectum.

    Now, I’m no prude – in fact, porn may be the most titillating thing in the world – maybe even more titillating than the real thing because it was my experience like the Carly Simon song, imagination and anticipation was always the best part of sex.

    But I think the damage from porn is like the definition – hard to define, but I know it is there as I know porn when I see it. And I think the problem is pandemic and not easy definable – from relationships, drug abuse to broken families. Maybe because I have two attractive daughters in the prime of their life (as I noticed in Hawaii) with many of the males having difficulty controlling their impulses, I’ve changed my tune.

    Internet Porn: Worse Than Crack?

    http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2004/11/65772

  • 244. El Tigre  |  June 22, 2011 at 11:04 am

    “I think the benefit is immense…”-PFesser

    Everything is fine if you can discreetly share it with other like-minded folks? Like bestiality, mannequins, kiddies, amputee midgets, necrophilia? Look but don’t touch? Like Daily Kos or MSNBC for Rutherford (Shhhhh! don’t tell anyone)?

    I would like to see the study on sexual deviance (taboo) and intelligence. Do you have a link? I’ve always believed sexual deviance/dysfunctions are the manifestation of unpleasant childhood experiences/trauma. So I’m guessing. . . just guessing Doc. . . since you are obviously an intelligent guy (and obviously) consider yourself so. . . you like to get freaky (that’s rhetorical — please don’t answer — we all know — your secret’s safe with us). You wouldn’t just be validating and flattering yourself at the same time would you?

  • 245. Tex Taylor  |  June 22, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Tigre,

    Though I have no personal statistics to back it up, I agree with you. Everyone I ever knew who I would consider a little twisted did indeed have traumatic child hood experiences – or was introduced to adult entertainment at much too early an age.

    What were considered the “cool parents” back when I was in Jr. High and High School, in retrospect were the absolute worst parents, and their children have suffered the consequences as adults.

  • 246. PFesser  |  June 22, 2011 at 11:25 am

    El Tigre –
    Let me make some distinctions if I may: (And I want to say, this is just MY take on it.)

    “Everything is fine if you can discreetly share it with other like-minded folks?”

    Depends on whether you affect other sentient beings and whether it, if so, is consensual.

    “Like bestiality” – NO. They cannot give consent. Ever.
    mannequins,- fine if you are into that
    kiddies,- no, NEVER. And, I might add, not only are ALL content producers aware that this is the ONE thing that will shut down the industry, most have children themselves and would never consider such stuff.
    amputee midgets, – fine, if consensual. Short people missing limbs need love too.
    necrophilia? – NO, Never. Not cool by anybody’s estimate.
    Look but don’t touch? – not sure what you mean there.

    re: “deviance” and childhood problems. I can only speak for myself. I grew up in a home environment right out of Norman Rockwell. I roamed the hills, hunted, helped my parents in the garden, cut hay, built haystacks, dammed up the creek and floated on inner tubes in the summer, rode my dirt bike through the mountains, plowed with a horse, sat on the porch in total darkness and listened to the old folks tell stories, played softball and basketball with my buds and lusted after the girl in the soft, fuzzy sweater in my homeroom class. If you could find a better upbringing or better parents, I don’t know where they could be. And I have NO hangups I can think of, as long as it is consensual.

    Just my perspective. Others may disagree.

  • 247. Tex Taylor  |  June 22, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Participation in porn prays on the weak Pfesser.

    Its participation by young women goes completely against the true nature of the female species. I’m sure there are a few exceptions, probably closely related to those who will endanger their lives for a thrill, but for the most part, these are not well educated or intelligent people doing the “acting.”

    They are either desperate or easily manipulated with promises of easy riches or fame.

    Porn is no different than recreational drugs, only its allure is far more powerful. I have met few men that can resist the power of porn, and heaven knows I’ve looked at it many a time.

    You or your buddies may be in a position of power as the manipulator, but I’ve witnessed the end result of the manipulated. Most of the time, it isn’t pretty – and most of the time, once you are in, there is no easy way out. The scars follow for a lifetime, and eventually the shame too.

    What you call consensual, I would call predatory.

  • 248. PFesser  |  June 22, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Tex – I have mentioned a model who goes by the handle of “Princess Donna.” She has an interesting video interview on this very question. Let me see if I can find it. My office computer may not let me call it up since we have a nanny system in place…….no, it’s going to let me in….

    I have trouble with the “victim” and “victimizer” thing – firstly because it carries the implicit assumption that while the men are perfectly capable of making their own decisions, the women are not smart enough to do so, and that bothers me. The second problem is that i have had a little experience in the industry and, while my exposure has been limited, that is not what I saw. Yes, a lot of the girls are young and by definition not that experienced, so I will spot you that.

    Anyway, let me know what you think. Donna is obviously very smart.

  • 249. Rutherford  |  June 22, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Like bestiality, mannequins, kiddies, amputee midgets, necrophilia?

    You’ve strung some interesting varieties together there Tigre. I would think looking at your list that the mannequins are the least offensive. :-) And as long as it’s a consenting amputee midget where’s the harm? They need a good time too you know. I think the fundamental litmus test of harmful deviance is the ability to give consent. That’s why kids and animals are questionable. As for the dead … well that’s just plain gross. :-(

  • 250. Rutherford  |  June 22, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    LOL I wrote my comment before reading Pfesser’s … sorry for the duplication.

  • 251. Rutherford  |  June 22, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    I fall somewhere between Tex and Pfesser on this porn question. The big problem with diagnosing porn related “psychosis” is isolating causation. Does porn cause harm inherently by definition or does it cause harm BECAUSE we live in a prudish society that has so much trouble dealing with sex as healthy expression? If we lived in a “sexually free” society what would the effect of porn be and what would our attitude toward it be? Would there be any shame associated with it at all?

    But I cannot sit here and totally ignore my brother Tex. Porn is addictive. It can replace other more healthy behaviors. And it’s power, as Tex has alluded to, is as strong or stronger than cocaine (not that I’ve ever done cocaine).

    There have been times when I wished I were immune to its temptation. I don’t know whether that means I have a conscience or whether that means I have hang-ups I haven’t worked out yet.

  • 252. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 22, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Finally, after 4 years, this group has gone on an interesting tangent!

    Thank you, PFesser. You’ve proven yourself good for something. ;)

    I look forward to reading some of these comments and watching the videos later on when I have more time.

  • 253. Rutherford  |  June 22, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Well Huck, technically speaking it’s not a tangent since it is sexual deviancy that got Weiner in trouble.

  • 254. an800lbgorilla  |  June 22, 2011 at 12:49 pm

  • 255. an800lbgorilla  |  June 22, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    “Sorry Gorilla. Your 237 story is completely fabricated. And of course, a consuming a consumable is not an insurable loss under any policy (like any intentional destruction property).”

    I’m actually glad to hear that…

  • 256. poolman  |  June 22, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Porn is as mainstream and accepted in America today as tobacco and cigarettes were last century. Marketing promotes it and capitalism legitimizes it. Porn IS addictive and DOES have long term ramifications. It is often a prime contributing factor to many failed relationships. Like any addiction it creates family problems, and has done plenty to corrupt the central moral core in America. Nobody is immune to the toll it has taken on society. To say otherwise is not realistic. You might as well be claiming the health benefits of smoking or, more recently – radiation exposure. (Thank you Ann Coulter.)

    Is it worse than bullets or bombs? Debatable. Yet even the most impenetrable bunker, safe from any kind of bunker-busting ordnance, can be compromised by the effects of porn. I think PTSD can also be attributed to it, since exposure to it is long term and irreversible.

    Sex has been used as a lure since the beginning of time. It is a powerful force we all have to contend with. It has brought down many men, women, and even angels, too. An invisible force that’s just about as harmless and accumulative as radiation, IMHO.

  • 257. Tex Taylor  |  June 22, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    Pfesser,

    So Princess Donna (a name which I will remember and I thank you for that next time I run into Harpy Donna) doesn’t think porn objectifies women more than housewives on TV? And you think she’s intelligent?

    Good think you went into radiology and not psychiatry – pays better anyway.

    I don’t need to be a licensed psychologist or board trained psychiatrist to know when guilt is masked by irrational justification to read Ms. Princess Donna. Just like a meth addict who can only do it once.

    Had a friend’s mom die of emphysema a couple of weeks back. Though a lifetime smoker, she blamed her emphysema on a recent trip to China, ignoring that she was still dying for a cigarette while dying on her bed. And many people claimed Mrs. Stuart, a huge success in business, was highly intelligent too. Maybe, but perhaps we should forget the intellect and strive for more wisdom.

    This is what I am seeing more and more of lately – people ignoring the obvious reasoning of their troubles, or their guilt or their own weakness – cognitive dissonance.

    It’s like Obama’s economy – where 36% of the American public believe Obama is doing an excellent job of managing the economy. :smile:

  • 258. PFesser  |  June 22, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    ” So Princess Donna (a name which I will remember and I thank you for that next time I run into Harpy Donna) doesn’t think porn objectifies women more than housewives on TV? And you think she’s intelligent?”

    Well, that might be a little over the top about the housewives, but yes, I think she is intelligent.

    “I don’t need to be a licensed psychologist or board trained psychiatrist to know when guilt is masked by irrational justification to read Ms. Princess Donna.”

    Remember, your own prejudices are tied up in your analysis of her, just the same as hers are in *her* analysis of what she does. (and of course, mine are too) But my experience is that these folks are for the most part pretty well bolted together. To talk to her you wouldn’t have the slightest inkling that she does anything more unusual for a living than, say, a banker or a college professor. As for the emphysema sufferer, she’s clearly out in left field, because there is lots of data that links what she did to her disease. Porn? Not very much.

    Having said that, there ARE young girls on coke, oxycontin, alcohol, with personal lives like unmade beds in the porn business, and I would stipulate that they are plentiful. Nothing is perfect.

  • 259. Tex Taylor  |  June 22, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    I’m not criticizing you Pfesser, though I think your perceptions of porn’s harmless nature incredibly naive for such an accomplished professional.

    You may be twisted in my book, I am too of a different sort. I’m far more troubled by your hostility to my faith, and ignorance and stereotype testified to here of my faith by you than I am by your raging libido and preference for porn stars. Hey, I enjoy porn too – but I try to stay away from it because it provides a completely false reality.

    I may be a Christian, but I’m certainly no prude and certainly far from perfect. I have a great capacity to be a real “perv” like most healthy males. I would have a concubine if it were allowed. If lusting is adultery, then I commit it hourly. I’ve lusted in church, during weddings, watching women walk through Mass while in line, with my wife kissing my cheek, etc….even in the emergency room. :eek:

    As for the emphysema sufferer, she’s clearly out in left field, because there is lots of data that links what she did to her disease. Porn? Not very much.

    Correlations may not have been as intensively studied, and visible damage more difficult to measure, but there’s plenty of evidence porn is destructive to the participants.

  • 260. Rutherford  |  June 22, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Tex admitting he lusts while in church. You just went up several notches in my book old friend. ;-)

  • 261. PFesser  |  June 22, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    re: lusting in church???

    Man are YOU missing out! If you want to really make some hay, go to a tent meeting. Hell, you’re in Texas??? Oklahoma? I know they have them there. When I was a young man, those summer revivals were a wonderful place to troll for pussy. Mama and Daddy rarely let the young girls out at night – for obvious reasons – but they are delighted when they “want to go the revival.”

    Fools.

    Get all those hot, sweaty bodies swaying back and forth, spewing pheromones into the sticky air, with the “sperrit of the Lord” coursing through their fevered brains and it’s Katie-bar-the-door. Like shooting fish in a barrel – not even sporting.

    Every young man (and girl) out in the country knows: there is where you go for some REAL entertainment on those hot Southern nights. Ah……….the good ol’ days…..

    We got to get you up to speed, man. Now I know why Billy Joel said, “Cath-o-lic girls start much too late.”

    But sooner or later it comes down to fate. I’d might as well be the one.

    And I was….yum, yum.

  • 262. El Tigre  |  June 22, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    PF and R, the list was random. I was just trying to list the most deviant/weird that I could come up with in 5 seconds. Your point about affecting others is not lost. That was why said “look don;t touch.” What I meant was to think about, discuss, view but not necessarily participate.

    However, the “intelligence” running through the mannequin or animal fucking population I find dubious (yes I’m being deliberately hyperbolic and know the limits of the examples — no need to dissect). From what I can tell that’s just dysfunctional behavior and In fact I believe it can encourage behaviour that should be suppressed. not the product of intelligence.
    A forum for viewing stories or cartoon necrophilia or pedophilia (or whatever) and discussing/sharing it is of course victimless in the temporal sense. But I’m not convinced that “removing the guilt” for deviant sexual preferences is a good thing. In other words, I don’t subscribe to “whatever floats your boat should be enjoyed” rather than stigmatized because you’ve located a community of like-minded.

    But hey man. Whatever floats your boat. . .

    BTW PF, nobody has the Rockwell life you’ve described. Methinks you’re blocking. Sticking a riding crop in your butt and slapping the faces of women that resemble your mother with it isn’t going to help you make sense of your childhood. (kidding, kidding)

  • 263. PFesser  |  June 22, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    El Tigre –
    I’ve laughed a hundred times at myself. When I was a kid I was always thinking to myself, “Am I having a happy childhood?” Jesus, talk about examining your own navel lint…LOL

    No question about it now. I wouldn’t trade those days for all the tea in China, especially when I see how bad others have had it as kids. Notice I didn’t say we had money, because we didn’t, and my father put up with NO laziness or back-talk. He was out of work for six years and we lived on what he had saved, but we were frugal, always grew a garden, canned our produce, slaughtered a hog every year, and we did JUST FINE. But we had the advantage of owning our own little farm and my Dad’s having bought everything he owned with cash, since he didn’t believe in credit. In the fifties there was a severe economic downturn and everybody who could work moved to Cleveland and Akron to work in the factories, but we didn’t have to. We farmed and were incredibly happy. At least as I remember it. I’m sure my father worried all the time, but we got through. I have anything I want now, but I am no happier than I was then. Maybe not as.

  • 264. PFesser  |  June 22, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    Charades! Who am I?

    There once was a man using Twitter,
    who believed he could be no fitter.
    He tweeted his wang,
    to a bird who sang,
    and now his career’s in the shitter.

  • 265. dead rabbit  |  June 22, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    I think it goes without saying porn can be a terrible vice and objectifies women.

    I’ve never understood what it means to have sex without objectifying. Luckily, my wife doesn’t object to me objectifying that ass. I smack it and talk nasty, I don’t quote sonnets from “To My Wife” by Oscar Wilde.

    I know this makes me the weirdo. I’ve just never had it in me to really make love.

    I’m sure porn recruiting is often predatory, taking advantage of stupid chicks. I heard many male porn stars have to suck cock for awhile in gay flicks before they break into the scene. Don’t know if that’s true.

    One draw back to a free society is that being stupid sucks and you get played easily. Just look at what happened to the people who signed adjustable rate mortgages in 2006. All was fair in love and war until the banks….bla bla bla…don’t get me started.

    As with most things in the temporal world, including even vitamin A packed carrots, moderation is the key.

    i don’t use porn much. But, now and then, it helps get what really is nothing more then a chore out of the way so that I can concentrate on other stuff.

    Plus, porn is great while watching it with the wife.

    The rape rate is significantly down since 1995. I would have bet that the internet would have caused more of that kind of stuff. I would have been wrong.

    Really, if anything, old school alcohol is still the silent catalyst of crime, just as it was in every other American century.

    I guarantee life would go on as normal if marijuana was legalized. Its no different then alcohol except it doesn’t breed aggressive behavior. Makes some people lazy the same way watching TV and eating Debbie Snack Cakes all day will. It’s mind boggling what sacrifices this country gives to ensure Don the Accountant doesn’t burn a joint in his garage while he tinkers with his lawn mower on a Saturday afternoon. Who gives a shit.

    However, cocaine, and particularly heroine, are the drug version of being out right defrauded. Hence, it should remain illegal.

    Doing coke is like taking 12 weeks worth of future happiness and concentrating it all in about 40 minutes. More coke will allow you to chase the tail of fun, never catching it again. Then you realize, all fun for the next couple months has been spent. Terrible stuff. Uh…at least that’s what my friend tells me.

  • 266. PFesser  |  June 22, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    My experience with coke heads is exactly as you have said. It is a really, really bad substance and your description of how it robs your future happiness is the best I have ever heard. Interestingly, the chemistry suggests it depletes a substance in the brain that takes time to replace, so that fits perfectly with your description.

    Stick with smacking girls’ bottoms. Take it from me; the fun never goes out of it.

  • 267. Tex Taylor  |  June 22, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Billy Joel, the man who wrote “Only the Good Die Young” once called himself one of the unhappiest, moodiest people on the planet. I guess living with sinners didn’t meet his earlier expectations. J. Paul Getty, married five times and one of the richest people in the world, did call himself the most miserable person on the earth. Don’t think I’d be taking advice from Billy or the rich Pfesser. Even being married to a super model didn’t give Billy much lasting joy.

    Sounds like your dad had it figured out better than most. Would have liked to have had a father like that.

    I believe I have found the secret to joy. Being married to the write woman with two fabulous kids, having a few good friends, and a hope for a better tomorrow no matter how bad Obama can screw it up.. What I’m got, I’m grateful for and realize being born in America gave me a leg up on 95% of the world by birthright – damn right I’m jingoistic. Am I always happy? Hell no. Do I stay miserable – not for long.

    I would wager I am a far happier, better adjusted nobody than somebody like Billy Joel and the rest of the so called rich and famous were on their best day. One thing that did surprise me Pfesser – how unhappy most doctors apparently are. I’ve never heard so much bitching and whining off the record. Worse than anything in corporate America I experienced.

    P.S. – I’m not Catholic. :smile:

  • 268. Tex Taylor  |  June 22, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    write woman :?: make that “RIGHT” woman.

  • 269. Tex Taylor  |  June 22, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Brutally honest, Bernanke admitted that he had no clue what was actually causing the current fragility in the U.S. economic recovery. While the FOMC statement assigned blame outside of the U.S., pointing at Japan along with rising food and oil prices, Bernanke was put on the spot by a reporter who noted the inconsistency behind that explanation and a lowering of long term forecasts. Bernanke took the hit, admitting only some of the factors were temporary and that he didn’t know exactly what was causing the slowdown, but that it would persist. “Growth,” said Bernanke, “will return into 2012.”

    I come back in from working on the wiring harness (fixed – damn dog) and see the market plunged. :mad: We’re in the best of hands…

  • 270. Rutherford  |  June 22, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Regardless of what you think of the author, this is a very poignant portrayal of one man’s relationship with his father and needs unfulfilled. It’s worth a read:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/18/opinion/18blow.html

  • 271. Rutherford  |  June 22, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    Tex, as I’m sure you found out, being a doctor is a mixed bag. My college roommate went from oncology to cardiology because he just got too depressed and couldn’t save enough lives. Of course, that was almost 30 years ago. There have been so many advances in cancer treatment since then, I’m not sure he would have made the same decision today.

  • 272. PFesser  |  June 22, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Rutherford – thanks for the Charles Blow piece. No, he is not my favorite author, but I appreciate his sharing that with the world. My own father was older when I was born and felt that “children should be seen and not heard” but was a fine, fine man. We had very few “special moments,” but like Mr. Blow, I cherish them, and unlike Mr. Blow, my father was always in the saddle, working to take care of his family. Not very flashy, but very, very responsible.

    Re: medicine. Yep, most docs really hate what they do these days. It reminds me of the teachers of yore and of today. They always worked long hours, but they had control over their lives. Docs now work just as hard as ever but every day have less and less control as hospital administrators and gub’ment regulators tell them what they have to do, what paperwork to fill, and how to practice medicine. As for specialties, I have been here since 7 this morning, will break for supper at 6, eat and come back until 9 or so, but I wouldn’t trade my specialty for any other. Largely because I am bothered by the government less than anybody else. Someday they will push me too far and I will retire, move to Ohio, and do family practice for the Amish, in exchange for a few bucks of cash and a chicken here and there. Let the gub’ment bastards read their own fucking x-rays.

  • 273. Tex Taylor  |  June 22, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Read it Rutherford – actually a very good read.

    Not one I could totally relate to as my relationship with my own father very different. As cold as this may sound, I wish my own father had never been a large part of my life. My own father was mean, irrational and imbalanced, even an embarrassment who took joy in humiliating his own children. I think much of that was out of stupidity.

    Ironically, he was the parent that did some very nice things for me, including buying me a new car once to drive back and forth to college – one stipulation; he had to pick out what he wanted Still, I’m not complaining.

    My father is old and detached now. I keep the peace for my mother’s sake, and do that mostly by avoiding him. But last week, I found out through my sister that he is still trying to manipulate her with guilt. She didn’t bite. Long story…

    So unlike somebody like say you or Pfesser, I can not relate to what it is like to really have a father who teaches you something, or was capable of guiding you through childhood. What I learned has been mostly through the school of hard knocks.

    My dad was the most incapable person I’ve ever met. If he passes before my mother does, there are some things I would like to say to my mom before she dies. I can not do that until he is gone.

    Unfortunately, my mother, though a charming person who deserved much better, could not fulfill both roles. One thing I am sure of – children, especially boys, need a strong father. I can vouch personally for the hurt.

    The hurt has long sense passed, but I will tell you a day doesn’t go buy without me thinking how somehow I feel terribly cheated. Probably the biggest regret of my life.

  • 274. Tex Taylor  |  June 22, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    If for no other reason than this abject stupidity, Obama has got to go…and soon.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/22/usa-debt-idUSN1E75L0GC20110622

  • 275. dead rabbit  |  June 22, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    Unbelievable, Tex.

    They are depraved. I can’t take much more Democrat thievery before I take down my American flag from my stoop. I’m close to filing for a divorce from this nation.

    At what point is it treason?

    We are done. Done.

    Obama killed us as a nation.

    What, is Mitt Romney going to save us? How?

    The Bernank are doing nothing but preparing life boats for the connected while stalling for time.

    Rutherford, how do you feel about Obama’s spending now?

    We warned you.

    50 percent reduction in government. End all wars. Pull out of Europe. Its mathematically our only hope.

  • 276. Tex Taylor  |  June 22, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Just to preempt Rutherford, who will predictably come in after Obama’s Afghan speech with his typical slobbering love fest, I would like to note for the record that the U.S. casualty rate in Afghanistan has increased 5-fold under Obama’s leadership.

    During the Bush presidency, which ended on Jan. 20, 2009 with the inauguration of President Obama, U.S. troops were present in Afghanistan for 87.4 months and suffered 570 casualties—a rate of 6.5 deaths per month.

    During the Obama presidency, through today, U.S. troops have been present in Afghanistan for 29.1 months and have suffered 970 casualties—a rate of 33.3 deaths per month.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-casualties-afghanistan-have-increased

    Obama is now, without doubt, an epic failure in every facet. Karzai is a corrupt bum and thief, by the way. Wouldn’t hurt my feelings if a “stray bullet” happened to find Karzai’s temple on the way out.

  • 277. dead rabbit  |  June 22, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Meanwhile Pakistan openly wages cold war against us.

  • 278. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 22, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    “Like bestiality” – NO. They cannot give consent. Ever.

    What the %$#!?

    Seriously? You’re going to play the “it’s wrong because the animal can’t consent card? That’s the BEST you can come up with? That’s the only thing that makes it wrong?

    How about disease issues. Tex could probably testify better than I about the diseases that you can catch from animals, ranging from the survivable, like hoof in mouth, to the deadly, like Marberg, and the sometimes nasty effects that occur when diseases jump species. I know at one time it was believed that HIV was a variant of a simean disease that isn’t fatal to primates, but, well, you get the point. I also recall reading (in Rolling Stone of all places) how the research into HIV had lead some researches to believe that HIV got into the human population because of the polio vaccine. The belief was that the simean varient was endemic in a species of monkey that was used in a year when there was a shortage of rhesus monkeys who were normally killed and their livers used to cultivate the polio virus for the vacine.

    This article was about 2 decades ago, so I don’t know if it was ever validated, but the potential for cross species contamination ought to be enough to keep any Willlllllbur away from Mr. Ed’s junk.

  • 279. pfesser53  |  June 22, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    “Seriously? You’re going to play the “it’s wrong because the animal can’t consent card? That’s the BEST you can come up with? That’s the only thing that makes it wrong?

    “How about disease issues.”

    OK – and disease issues. But of course the inability to consent makes it morally wrong and therefore 100% off limits anyway; so the disease issue is redundant, but to make you happy I will include it.

    Disease issues. There you have it.

  • 280. Rutherford  |  June 22, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Obama killed us as a nation.

    The problem Rabbit is even if I agreed that Obama is an “abject failure” to borrow a phase from Tex, clearly Obama is one man in a very complicated bureaucracy. Sorry dude … you can no more say Obama killed us as a nation than libs can say Bush killed us. It’s a gross oversimplification and simple scapegoating.

  • 281. Rutherford  |  June 22, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    No, I have no evidence that Mitt Romney can save us. So the question I have for you folks is if the boat is sinking do you want to go down smiling and full of brotherly love or at each other’s throats? I’m thinking based on early observations Huntsman will focus so much on civility that we’ll go down smiling. Kinda like drinking that poisoned koolaid before the government raid. Tastes good and ends the pain.

  • 282. Rutherford  |  June 22, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    BUT I did have to chuckle at Huntsman when he said that gay marriage redefines marriage and he doesn’t like that. This coming from a Mormon? Have they not redefined marriage … oh wait … there is a definition. It’s called polygamy. :-)

  • 283. Rutherford  |  June 22, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    a rate of 33.3 deaths per month.

    What a stupid-ass statistic. What about a surge do you not understand? You think we do a surge without taking a big hit? You pour in more soldiers, more soldiers die.

    I don’t feel like looking up the stats … I bet dollars to donuts the casualty rate increased in the immediate aftermath of the Iraqi surge also.

    And I might remind you that I believe it was Bob Gates himself who said there is no reason why the Afghan surge should not replicate the results of the Iraqi surge. Now I don’t happen to agree, but Gates is as much your man as he is mine.

  • 284. Rutherford  |  June 22, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    BiW on top of that, when I did some “research” on the topic back in the day, I learned that sex with some animals can be outright dangerous and I ain’t talking with a bear either, If I remember correctly, a dog’s weener actually has a bit of a spike to it when erect which can actually cause lacerations to the human vajayjay if inserted.

    That’s not even touching the dangers of getting a blow job from a bird. Do you really want a pecker on your pecker? :shock:

  • 285. dead rabbit  |  June 22, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    Why do I fuck sheep at the edge of a cliff.

    They push back.

    Baaaaaaaaaah.

  • 286. dead rabbit  |  June 22, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    ok…not very funny.

    Seriously though…..wear extra size boots, that way them hind hooves can’t get away.

    Heyoooooo!

  • 287. dead rabbit  |  June 22, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    Ok…still not very funny.

    I’l get Baaaaaaaaaaaack (sheep noise) on topic.

    Oh no he didn’t!!!!!!

  • 288. dead rabbit  |  June 22, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    uh…errr….rough crowd…..uhhh…..cough

  • 289. Rutherford  |  June 23, 2011 at 12:21 am

    LOL and the night ends with the comedy stylings of the Dead Rabbit. ba-dum-dum (rim shot)

  • 290. an800lbgorilla  |  June 23, 2011 at 5:18 am

    OK R, I saw this and immediately thought of you and your efforts to defend Obama on the whole auto bailout thing. Fine then, defend this:

    (Daily Caller) — New emails obtained by The Daily Caller contradict claims by the Obama administration that the Treasury Department would avoid “intervening in the day-to-day management” of General Motors post-auto bailout.

    These messages reveal that Treasury officials were involved in decision-making that led to more than 20,000 non-union workers losing their pensions.

    Republican Reps. Dan Burton and Mike Turner say that during the GM bailout, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner decided to cut pensions for salaried non-union employees at Delphi, a GM spinoff, to expedite GM’s emergence from bankruptcy.

    At a Wednesday hearing, the House Oversight Committee’s Subcommittee on Regulatory Affairs, Stimulus Oversight and Government Spending started pushing the Treasury Department for answers on the effects of the bailout and on how much of a role the department played in picking winners and losers.

    The key point of the Wednesday hearing was to show that the Obama administration advised GM on how to eliminate the Delphi workers’ pensions. The evidence suggests Geithner’s team played a significant role in that process, despite claims to the contrary.

  • 291. El Tigre  |  June 23, 2011 at 8:08 am

    “Sorry dude … you can no more say Obama killed us as a nation than libs can say Bush killed us. It’s a gross oversimplification and simple scapegoating.”

    Obama killed us as a nation. Debt figures, Exhibit “A.” Obamacare, Exhibit “B.” Drilling bans, Exhibit “C.” Delegation of carbon emmission regulation to EPA to avoid political oversite, Exhibit “D.” Inept foreign policy, Exhibit “E.” Shall I continue?

    Rutherford, defend the boy! Explain complexities if need be.

    The guy is a failure and you know it. That’s why you’re cheering for Huntsman. Not because we’ll all be smiling from his civility. Geez. Doesn’t that skittle-shitting unicorn and pretty flower bullshit sound familiar? Remember? 2008? It’s 2011 and we’re in deep doo doo. We can talk like adults now.

  • 292. El Tigre  |  June 23, 2011 at 8:10 am

    And since I missed out:

    Q: Why do Scots wear kilts?

    A: So the sheep don’t hear the zipper.

    Zing!

  • 293. PFesser  |  June 23, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Scottish bar stool:

    Doc
    clan Gunn

  • 294. PFesser  |  June 23, 2011 at 8:34 am

    The Drunken Scotsman and the Bonnie Lasses:

    http://www.allerdice.net/scotsman-song.htm

    You can click and hear the song. Lyrics above.

  • 295. an800lbgorilla  |  June 23, 2011 at 8:48 am

    “And since I missed out:

    Q: Why do Scots wear kilts?

    A: So the sheep don’t hear the zipper.

    Zing!


    As a Scotsman, I umbrage at that…

  • 296. an800lbgorilla  |  June 23, 2011 at 8:50 am

    I take…

    Jesus Christ lad…

  • 297. El Tigre  |  June 23, 2011 at 9:47 am

  • 298. dead rabbit  |  June 23, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Man, did Obama mention this oil dump last night?

    I didn’t see this coming. Should I have?

  • 299. dead rabbit  |  June 23, 2011 at 9:55 am

    OPEC is toast

  • 300. El Tigre  |  June 23, 2011 at 9:58 am

    What oil dump?

  • 301. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 10:07 am

    What a stupid-ass statistic. What about a surge do you not understand? You think we do a surge without taking a big hit? You pour in more soldiers, more soldiers die.

    Can you imagine the laugh track, then howling from liberals, if I had made that statement about Iraq in 2006 and the number of soldier deaths increased 500% during the surge and then did for another 30 months?

    Epic failure. 500% Did we add 500% more troops?

    ————-

    Rutherford, a very simple question. Are you willing for your life to spiral completely in the toilet, perhaps unto death, to attempt to save Obama’s job? Do you not realize this man and his policies are destroying you and your country in the process? That O’Bama is hopelessly in over his head and every move he is making is hurting you further? That short of killing Osama, Obama could not have done worse? That he is indeed an abject disaster, that the Dimocratic Congress is a sick joke, that your philosophy has proven a massive failure, and your only solution left is to do more of what didn’t work the first time?

    Bush is not the President. Obama is…your time is up for excuses.

    I know liberal politics is your highest virtue. You’re a fool for it being so. I hope you have family you can fall back on. You’re going to need it.

  • 302. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Rabbit, another incredibly stupid move on behalf of Obama and his cabinet. They released the grand total of 1 1/2 days of U.S. Domestic supply. They’ve done this to try and lower gasoline prices temporarily which is killing Obama’s lackeys.

    Mark my words – gasoline will be much more expensive because of this gimmick in short order.

    We need to be drilling in ANWAR, oil sands and offshore and replenishing the domestic supply every day. This is another sick joke by O’Bama’s idiot administration to try and fend off drilling.

    Beyond STUPID. But I have this strange feeling the Obama slobbering love fest by the Left is about up. They can no longer hide…

  • 303. PFesser  |  June 23, 2011 at 10:16 am

    “We need to be drilling in ANWAR, oil sands and offshore and replenishing the domestic supply every day. This is another sick joke by O’Bama’s idiot administration to try and fend off drilling.”

    Hear! Hear!

  • 304. an800lbgorilla  |  June 23, 2011 at 10:24 am

  • 305. dead rabbit  |  June 23, 2011 at 10:32 am

    I should have saw it coming. The chatter was all over the place yesterday.

    Ok, some here is some wing nut poolman shit from the Rabbit:

    A commodity take down setting up another round of quantitative easing by the Bernank.

    Central planning. Get some.

  • 306. an800lbgorilla  |  June 23, 2011 at 10:41 am

  • 307. El Tigre  |  June 23, 2011 at 11:14 am

    I see. We ban drilling and dip into our oil reserves to make up for a middle east shortfall in output that hardly appears temporary. WTF??

    Soon it’ll be time for Obama to vilify the oil companies. . . again.

    R, let me know when you’ve finished constructing the windmill for your new home. You have built a windmill and have rooftop solar panels haven’t you? Be sure to inflate your tires too!

  • 308. PFesser  |  June 23, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Goddamn it, gorilla. Stop it. These people just make my blood boil. Pelosi et al absolutely do NOT get it. Why do those people keep electing these folks?

  • 309. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Nov. 2012 can’t get here fast enough… :mad: The insanity of the Left must be stomped out of existence before they take the rest of us with them. And we are nearing proximity of collapse.

    One problem – what do we do with the approximately 50MM libs in this country that will still be here after O’Bama? How do we get rid of them legally? Too many to push to Mexico. Canada doesn’t want them and is having problems of its own getting rid of the dead weight deviants.

    Strategically, with most near the coasts, it looks to me like it might be easiest to pull a simultaneous left and right coast Sherman’s March and burn them into the sea. :twisted:

    We’ll spare Rutherford so he can keep writing posts and providing much needed target practice. :smile:

  • 310. PFesser  |  June 23, 2011 at 11:46 am

    I’m telling you boys right now: there is a revolt brewing in this country. I don’t know what form it will take, but if those people in Washington don’t get a clue, I have a feeling many of them will be going home come 2012.

    God I hope so, anyway…

  • 311. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Gorilla, though Rutherford will not bother to comment on that monstrosity of a video you posted, was not the dangerously incompetent and poorly planned O’Bama stimulus/investment package sold to us as a new WPA program? Was that not the intent of the shovel ready jobs which we were promised?

    Libs. For seven long years, you have bitched and moaned about the wasted funds used in Iraq. I read today the Iraqi War has cost us $742 billion dollars over the last eight years. But whether you call that a complete waste of blood and treasure, I can point to some goals that were met – Saddam being in hell the most obvious.

    May I remind you that O’Bama’s stimulus plan cost $120 billion more than the entire Iraq War.

    What do we have to show for it?

  • 312. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 11:59 am

    I’m telling you boys right now: there is a revolt brewing in this country. I don’t know what form it will take, but if those people in Washington don’t get a clue, I have a feeling many of them will be going home come 2012.

    I’m sure you are right Pfesser. But not one of the four imbeciles quoted in Gorilla’s video. Their election is all but assured unless God shows mercy and takes their life. From racist welfare districts to union goon headquarters, those fascists will still be sitting in Congress come 2013.

    What we need to figure out is how to punish these imbecile’s districts in the most draconian measures allowable by law (push the envelope), and squeeze the shit from the heads until they implode and collapse. And trap them in the sewers of their own making.

  • 313. PFesser  |  June 23, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    “What we need to figure out is how to punish these imbecile’s districts in the most draconian measures allowable by law (push the envelope), and squeeze the shit from the heads until they implode and collapse. And trap them in the sewers of their own making.”

    I think Ayn Rand answered your question nearly sixty years ago, and I don’t think there is ANY OTHER WAY. Simply quit working. The beast has become so large and powerful that it cannot be contained now.

    But if feeds on money – and assures its own survival and growth by taking money from those who earned it at gunpoint (don’t think that’s true? Don’t pay your taxes…) and giving it to people who did not, in order to buy their votes and those of their myriad offspring generated by the perverse incentives to bastardy now written into law.

    Now the parasites outnumber the producers, and their disdain for those of us who actually power this engine is exceeded only by their voting power.

    No, if the ballot box fails in 2012 – and I believe it very likely will – the only recourse is for the producers to stop producing the money that powers this hellbound train. I”m ready.

  • 314. Rutherford  |  June 23, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    We’ll spare Rutherford so he can keep writing posts and providing much needed target practice. :smile:

    Can’t push me into the sea bub … remember I’m moving to the midwest! Who knows? Maybe a change in political affiliation may accompany the move. I think I’m starting to scare my wife with my interest in Huntsman. :-)

  • 315. Rutherford  |  June 23, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    What we need to figure out is how to punish these imbecile’s districts …

    Funny, I’ve had that thought many a time about Michele Bachmann’s district. :-)

  • 316. PFesser  |  June 23, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Rutherford –

    re: Bachmann and Pelosi and those of their ilk – Maybe we will get lucky and they will all kill each other. God what I wouldn’t give to see another crop of Dirksens!

    I hate to suggest this, Rutherford, but maybe we should pray. Just a little…what do you think?

  • 317. El Tigre  |  June 23, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    R, what’s so great about Huntsman (other than MSNBC’s endorsement)? His McCain-esque vow of “civility” in campaigning? It makes him sound like a pussy. We all remember how Obama reciprocated with McCain’s lame efforts of the same — an unending assault of negative attacks.

    Seriously though. Why are liberals so enamored with Huntsman? Enquiring minds want to know.

  • 318. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Can’t push me into the sea bub … remember I’m moving to the midwest!

    I thought about that while planning. Your wet demise has already been accounted for, so don’t quit blogging and post often. Otherwise….

    Remember, we still got to burn Former President O’Bummer’s ghetto, lawless, public housing, welfare queen, war zone district into the sea. So, we’ll march you north to Lake Michigan. Your ass will be one of the first to get wet – line you up by height. Simply moving closer to the water makes it that much easier.

    If I were you, I’d reconsider turning Mennonite and moving to southwest Kansas. You’ll fit right in. :wink: Garden City is really beautiful this time of year as long as you stay south of the malodorous cattle lots. Steaks are pretty damn good, though.

  • 319. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    I think Ayn Rand answered your question nearly sixty years ago, and I don’t think there is ANY OTHER WAY. Simply quit working. The beast has become so large and powerful that it cannot be contained now.

    :lol: Who knew I was a trend setter when I told the executives at my old company they could “kiss my ass…” Eight years ago today, as a matter of fact – took them two days to fire me and the idiots didn’t even know I brought stock options with me. Of course, my recliner has a rip in the leather, the house looks like shit, I really do need to replace the truck that the pups have torn up, and I added 10 R.L. blogging pounds. WGaS. I’m a radical!

    My own 21 year old daughter was reading Atlas Shrugs this weekend. Good girl; smart girl. Got me an incredibly bright ass kicker in waiting to lay down on the job. I taught her well!

  • 320. PFesser  |  June 23, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    This just in –

    Geert Wilders acquitted.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13883331

  • 321. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 23, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    “re: Bachmann and Pelosi and those of their ilk – Maybe we will get lucky and they will all kill each other. God what I wouldn’t give to see another crop of Dirksens!

    I hate to suggest this, Rutherford, but maybe we should pray. Just a little…what do you think?”

    If Pelosi got whacked, Rutherford’s finger would point to 1 person, and 1 person only. We’ve seen that play out before.

    But it’s refreshing to see someone on the left be so open about their wish that politicians be killed.

  • 322. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 23, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Can’t push me into the sea bub … remember I’m moving to the midwest!

    Two words.

    Lake.

    Michigan.

  • 323. El Tigre  |  June 23, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    Geert Wilders acquitted?

    Wow. That’ll be perceived as a loss to liberals here.

  • 324. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 23, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Wow. That’ll be perceived as a loss to liberals here.

    Don’t lose heart. They still have their fallback positions: Public Tantrums and Violence.

    And there in Europistan, there is always the possibility that one of the adherents to the “Religion of Peace” will at least attempt to kill him for the crime of having “insulted” Islam for pointing out what it is.

  • 325. PFesser  |  June 23, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    I hate to be a chronic link-leaver, but goddamn it, the Chinese drub our asses again! They are building amazing rail lines while our people dither about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/business/global/23rail.html

    Don’t lose heart. They may want to cut it out and they would like to avoid a lengthy search…

  • 326. El Tigre  |  June 23, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    My brother has lived in Shanghai for the last 4 years. Be careful in dispensing praise for their investment in infrastructure. What that high speed rail passes through is quite a site.

  • 327. El Tigre  |  June 23, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    But of course they don’t have to bother with the precious labor unions or redundant bureaucratic quagmires to get something on this scale actually accomplished either.

  • 328. Tex Taylor - Band Leader To Lake Michigan  |  June 23, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    BIC, great minds always thinking alike!

    Two words.

    Lake.

    Michigan.

    #318 Remember, we still got to burn Former President O’Bummer’s ghetto, lawless, public housing, welfare queen, war zone district into the sea. So, we’ll march you north to Lake Michigan. Your ass will be one of the first to get wet – line you up by height. Simply moving closer to the water makes it that much easier.

    I see you’re thinking along the same lines I am – should be a short march to the lake front, and Rutherford goes first unless he agrees to vote straight Republican.

  • 329. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Got more than tantrums – they’ve laid the welcome mat for jihadists…

    Cause Christian FUNDAMENTALISTS are the real danger. Right Rosie Lawson?

  • 330. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 23, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    High speed rail and light rail are a joke.

    Here in the Puget Sound, our $30.00 license tabs for our cars run around $100-110 dollars apiece so we can pay for light rail that no one uses, and the Sounder commuter train which does have good ridership but which is OBSCENELY subsedized by the rest of us, because there is no way one of their riders is willing to pay the real cost of a ticket with their own money.

    Meanwhile, we face year after year of ballooning cost overuns and delays in building new light rail lines, like the one from Seattle to about a mile from the SeaTac airport, and waste the opportunity to expand an already strained freeway system so that we can pay bus drivers salaries in excess of $120k annually before benefits.
    And then the local officals scratch their heads and wonder why businesses like Boeing move their headquarters, and start farming production out to other parts of the country. It ain’t just stupid labor costs here. When it can take all day to drive wing sections from Spanaway to Everett, there isn’t much incentive to keep feeding the beast that’s $&%(ing you in the ass.

  • 331. Rutherford  |  June 23, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    They are building amazing rail lines

    Not to worry, According to Tex building a high speed rail in USA is a waste of time and money. Whenever I’ve mentioned it, I’ve gotten a harrrumph.

  • 332. El Tigre  |  June 23, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Tex, you ignorant Christian. MSNBC hasn’t started the fearing the right wing fundamentalist kick yet. It’s only the summer of 2011. They’ll kick it into gear around January or February. Suddenly all of the racist and right-wing hate groups (read: conservative Christians clinging to their guns and bibles) will be on the verge of murderous rampages since the outcome of the election is at hand.

  • 333. El Tigre  |  June 23, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Damn it Rutherford. You ARE there.

    Why won’t you tell me about your love of Huntsman?

  • 334. PFesser  |  June 23, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    re: rail

    OK – the rail lines for freight advertise that their fuel efficiency is something like 300miles/gal/ton of freight. Assuming that is true, how about this very Libertarian solution.

    Firstly, stop ALL subsidies for oil production and let the real cost of oil filter through the system.

    Secondly, remove all federal taxes for oil and gasoline use, as well as local ones.

    Thirdly, let the market decide what is the most efficient way to move freight and people.

  • 335. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 23, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    MSNBC hasn’t started the fearing the right wing fundamentalist kick yet.

    And yet the High Church of Gaia, and its chief prophet, Aljagora, are never subjected to scrutiny for their articles of faith.

    Oh Gaia, forgive us for fossil fuels and the prosperity and improved quality of life that they bring.
    Give us this day our daily carbon credits, and let us buy more at a discount from our neighbors so that we may have lights, and heat, and the ability to keep and prepare food, while we drive to and from work every day.
    Help us to silence our critics, as they die in the cold and dark, malnourished and unemployed, from diseases and aliments preventable in previous generations, because our hubris demands that it is our emissions, and our emmissions alone that cause climate change, and not cyclical patterns on Earth, and external factors, like the glowing orb in the sky which our planet orbits.
    Amen.

  • 336. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 23, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Are you going to remove government imposed CAFE standards as well, or does Uncle get to keep his thumb on the scale there, too?

  • 337. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    Fair enough Pfesser…of course, your rail system is based on the concept of free enterprise – something I seldom if ever argue against.

    The subsidies for oil and gas in the grand scheme of things are miniscule. Cancel them and you won’t notice a different but a further uptick in gasoline prices.

    http://madmike59.wordpress.com/2011/05/14/oil-subsidies-the-big-democrat-lie-how-they-use-it-to-control-the-people/

    What Rutherford wants is high speed rail to transport the rest of us like cattle. I give you AmTrak…It’s neither feasible, nor economical in all but large urban areas of the Northeast – the rest of the country it would make a nice new museum at a cost of billions, with grass growing through the tracks. Right now, we can’t even buy the right of way for a pipeline from Canada. And Rosie wants high speed rail?

    Unless gas goes to $10.00 a gallon (a possibility with Zero as President), there wouldn’t be 2% of the population here that would ever use it. And Rutherford, what do you do when you get to point B? Walk? Bike? Rent a car? Or travel back the way you came?

    Ever tried to walk across large swaths of Texas, OK, Colorado, or Kansas? Got another practical reason that passenger rail is a bad idea – terrorism.

    But if I am wrong Rutherford, by all means put the bids out and see what happens. I’ll bet they’ll jump through hoops.

  • 338. PFesser  |  June 23, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    The thing we do not see is the massive subsidy that the federal govt gives to trucking in the form of Interstate Highways. Yes, they pay taxes, but nothing like the damage they do. My brother and I had a small trucking company and those puppies get about 11mpg empty and about 7 loaded to the gills. Contrast that with several hundred and you see the difference.

    The problem once again is that the govt is constantly engaging in social and fiscal engineering to promote what some fucking bureaucrat feels is “more important.”

    Let the various forms of transportation compete on a heads-up basis and I believe you will see rail flourish, because of its inherent superiority in fuel efficiency. Know what the coefficient of friction is for a steel wheel rolling on a steel rail? Vanishingly close to zero my friend, very close to zero. As was just said, the govt always has its “thumb on the scale.” Take that off and we will SEE who comes out ahead, and it won’t be trucks, aeroplanes OR cars, I don’t believe. It will be REAL, high-speed rail. Just my opinion; I could be wrong.

  • 339. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 23, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    What Rutherford wants is high speed rail to transport the rest of us like cattle. I give you AmTrak…It’s neither feasible, nor economical in all but large urban areas of the Northeast – the rest of the country it would make a nice new museum at a cost of billions, with grass growing through the tracks.

    Why, Tex, it only isn’t feasible because you still have the foolish notion that you should decide for yourself your method of transportation and how much you should spend on it. You simply aren’t qualified to have that kind of control over your own life. You need to be giving all your money to the government, which will of course, spend it much more wisely and efficiently than you do.

    Why you only need look at the extraordinarily wise use of your money that the BATFE ( a great idea for a store if there ever was one) has made with their government sponsored gun-running operations that they undertook in order to fight gunrunning…or something like that. Trust your Uncle…with your wallet and your life. I promise you won’t regret it.

  • 340. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Actually, here in Oklahoma Pfesser, where we were lied to by the Oklahoma Turnpike Authority about “free roads once paid for” 50 years ago, the truckers pay out the wazoo in turnpike fees (3 to 4 times as expensive are passenger vehicles)

    Now, I agree with you that trucking companies are getting a steal per ton, and there is no doubt trucking causes the great majority of road damage (I would guess well over 95%), but passenger rail is a pipe dream and complete inflexible – it would never work but in large urban areas. Amtrak has never shown an profit and is subsidized to stay in business.

    I predict gas could go up terrible times per gallon, and people here still wouldn’t use it. They would car pool long before they would take a train.

  • 341. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    in anything but large urban areas…

  • 342. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 23, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    So does that mean you are in favor of removing CAFE standards?

    And don’t forget there really is an alternate purpose for the Interstate Highway system, which is why that “subsidy” exists in the first place.

    Secondly, that beneficial effect of that “subsidy” is really questionable, as the various taxes that trucking companies and owner operators pay make it a very, very difficult business for all but the biggest players to be profitable in.

    One of my clients who used to own a trucking company liked to say “You know how you make a little money in trucking? Start with a lot.”

  • 343. El Tigre  |  June 23, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    PF, I didn’t realize high speed rail was used for cargo. I thought it was just passenger trains. Anyway, what you propose sounds an awful lot like capitalism, free markets and limited government. Where’s the Hope & Change? R, is likely clutching his chest at the thought of it I’m sure.

  • 344. Rutherford  |  June 23, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Got another practical reason that passenger rail is a bad idea – terrorism.

    Jeesh, aren’t you the Debbie Downer? I find something quite appealing about taking high speed rail from NYC to Los Angeles in what, maybe 12 hours?

    Part of our problem, evidenced by Tex’s sad sack post is we don’t want to DO anything anymore. Where’s the hunger for innovation? Where’s the next moon walk? A bunch of depressed bastards on suicide watch. :-(

  • 345. PFesser  |  June 23, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    I don’t mean to be a dummy, but I am not familiar with CAFE standards. I assume it is some kind of fuel efficiency standard? I don’t have time to look it up right now but I’ll do so when I get a little break.

    Having said that, my general feeling is that govt needs to set standards for safety only. The efficiency and other things will flow as a natural result of competition if the govt “gets its thumb off the scale.”

  • 346. PFesser  |  June 23, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Let me lobby a minute. Since I became Libertarian in 1992, my vision of how things should be have been absolutely clear. Yes, I know some of the conclusions that flow out of taking libertarianism to its natural limits are out there, but for day to day thinking about how things should be, it has informed my philosophy perfectly for nearly twenty years. I highly recommend looking at some of the primers on how it works, and reading some of the authors: Hayek, Rand, et al.

    Lobbying over.

  • 347. Rutherford  |  June 23, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    To answer Tigre’s question, I have no love affair with Huntsman. I’m in wait and see mode. We are in crisis mode and not because of social issues … because of economic issues, and to some extent foreign policy issues. It appears to me at this early “juncture” (h/t to Bush 41), that Huntsman wants an adult conversation about the problems we really should focus on.

    He may remind you of McCain but I think he lacks McCain’s moral turpitude. Like I said, I’m in wait and see mode.

  • 348. El Tigre  |  June 23, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    My friend’s daughter just walked into the living room and said “Dad, cancel my allowance immediately, rent my room out, throw all my clothes out
    of the window, take my TV, and stereo, and iPhone, and iPod, and my laptop. Please take all of my jewelry to the Salvation Army or
    Cash Converters. Then sell my new car, take my front door key away from me and throw me out of the house”. Then disown me and never
    talk to me again. And don’t forget to write me out of your will and leave my share to my brother.

    Well, she didn’t put it quite like that… she actually said…

    “Dad this is my new boyfriend, Mohamed.”

  • 349. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 23, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    CAFE standards are the arbitrary fuel economy and emissions standards that government started to impose on the auto industry years ago.

    People like Rutherford would argue that these were a good thing because fuel economy did increase with the standards.

    What is frequently ignored is that these improvements came at the cost of lives as cars were made smaller and smaller and incorporated materials and design that compromised safety rather than enhancing or increasing it. (Pinto, anyone?)

    It also put Domestic manufacturers at a disadvantage because customers didn’t want these vehicles (Who was going to buy a first generation Ford Fiesta or a Chevette when they could get a Honda Civic?) Yet, the car companies had to make a certain number of these vehicles, and frequently sell them at a loss just so they could make enough of the vehicles that people DID want to buy (Suburbans, Explorers, F-150s, Rams) to eak out a profit.

    This disconnect is often ignored by leftist critics who refuse to factor this government meddling into their analysis of why these industries have ailed for so long. Granted it certainly isn’t the ONLY reason, as we also have stupid management tricks and breathtakingly greedy unions and their legacy costs weighing things down, but it is a significant factor nonetheless.

  • 350. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Part of our problem, evidenced by Tex’s sad sack post is we don’t want to DO anything anymore. Where’s the hunger for innovation? Where’s the next moon walk? A bunch of depressed bastards on suicide watch

    You mean like windmills and solar panel innovation? We drop that subsidy and you’ll never hear about either again. The next moon walk is called horizontal hydraulic fracking and ANWAR.

    So you think it’s safe to cruise along the Nebraska plains for hundreds of miles unattended while Mahmoud plants one IED below the tracks? You ever been out on the plains Rosie? Desolate. Look, we can’t even build an electrified fence for 2,500 miles on our Southern border to keep peasants out. What makes you think you can secure 3,300 miles of high speed rail traveling near 300mph?

    What you call sad sack, I might call common sense and practicality.

  • 351. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    “Dad this is my new boyfriend, Mohamed.”

    :shock: And I whined about my youngest daughter saying, “I’m going to graduate school at ….” (private university).

  • 352. Rutherford  |  June 23, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Tex, Mahmoud in Nebraska? ROTFLMAO You’ve truly lost it my friend. Have you ever heard of the interstate highway system? Where are all the IED’s planted along those routes? When did we suddenly turn into Iraq or Afghanistan?

    We live in a paranoid age. Don’t trust government. Don’t trust your neighbor. Watch out for Mahmoud in Johnny Carson country. :lol:

  • 353. Rutherford  |  June 23, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    The Islamophobia is well timed … I have a new post planned. ;-)

  • 354. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 23, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Have you ever heard of the interstate highway system? Where are all the IED’s planted along those routes?

    Do you EVER get tired of being a dope?

    Aside from the fact that YOU control your travel on the Interstates (speed, lanes, when you exit and get on, there is also the matter of being able to react to what you see.

    In addition, if you set off an IED say…on I-5 in Tacoma (or Seattle if you prefer), maybe at an overpass, and the blast was big enough to bring it down, you kill all the drivers under it. Best case scenario? Two cars in each lane, two passengers per car, 16 people. More perhaps injured, but at rush hour, no one is going very fast. If the road over has a lot of traffic, maybe you kill or injure another 16. Gas truck under the overpass, maybe 20 more, maybe.

    Take that same IED. Put it on the high speed rail line between NYC and LA, where your passenger train, loaded with 200+ people are riding on the train traveling in excess of 200 mph.

    Have you ever seen a train derailment? Bing some images. Keep in mind that even slowmoving frieghts will cause havok when derailed, largely due to physics. Increase that speed by a factor of 8 or 10, and you just killed or injured infinately more people, and cause enormous expense to another “technological innovation”.

  • 355. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Have you ever heard of the interstate highway system? Where are all the IED’s planted along those routes? When did we suddenly turn into Iraq or Afghanistan?

    Have you ever heard of four rubber tires and millions of cars? Have you ever concrete? Have you ever heard of Iraq, Humvees and IEDs? :roll: Do you plan on having hundreds of interstate rails?

    Have cars switched to steel rails now carrying hundreds of passengers at 300 mph and somebody forgot to tell Oklahoma?

    Have you ever heard of Ft. Hood? Do you have any idea where it is? Do you know where Mohammed Atta and Co. received their “flight training?” Ever heard of Norman, OK?

    Are you so dumb to think all of America not a target? Or that just reserved for NYC and LA?

    That may have been your dumbest comparison yet out of hundreds of dumb comparisons. Better yet, your clearest indicator of naivety.

    Wake up Rosie…

  • 356. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 23, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Rutherford, understand this. You will always understand that you will continually have trouble with conceptualizing these things until you internalize the fact that there really are people out there who have a plan to kill everyone they meet.

  • 357. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Rutherford’s uncanny ability to be ‘unworldly’ on display.

    To Rutherford, the United starts at the Atlantic ocean, stops at Washington D.C., and starts back up about Yosemite Park, stretching to the Pacific.

    They coined the term “flyover country” on account of people like Rutherford the Riveter. :mad:

  • 358. Rutherford  |  June 23, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    and you just killed or injured infinately more people, and cause enormous expense to another “technological innovation”.

    All I can say is thank goodness BiW that the Wright brothers didn’t consult with you before doing their thing. :neutral:

    I actually cannot believe I’m in a conversation about avoiding modernization because we’re afraid of terrorists (or stinkbeards as Rabbit likes to call them.)

    You, dear Sir, are a wuss! :-)

  • 359. Rutherford  |  June 23, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    Tex, I don’t ignore the existence of the midwest … I just don’t spend sleepless nights worrying about jihad brewing in Nebraska. :lol:

  • 360. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 23, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    I actually cannot believe I’m in a conversation about avoiding modernization because we’re afraid of terrorists (or stinkbeards as Rabbit likes to call them.)

    Ahhh yes….”modernization”…everything old is new again…just like my jet propelled hydrogen filled dirigible that I’m woking on in my garage.

    Because something is updated and shiny-shiny, it is modernization, and must be pursued regardless of obvious threats to safety? Rutherford, by that logic, the Concorde never should have been grounded. After all, it was “the future” of air travel.

    However, if you wish to avoid a very simple scenario that takes your “modernization” and turns it to a scene from a charnel house, let me make it something that you would find far less far-fetched…like cattle or a car stuck on the track. Inertia is a problem and it doesn’t give a shit about your “modernization”.

    Then there is the practical consideration about where you put the tracks. High speed rail can’t use conventional rail lines, and even if it did, it would really hamper cargo shipments. That means acquiring new land. I know lefties like you would say “Eminent Domain”, but the land still has to be paid for, and fair value must be given. Who pays that bill? The taxpayer. I’ve watched that scenario play out in in miniature here in the Sound. Apply it to the nation?

    Then there is the matter of exisiting roads. I guarantee you that you cannot lay down track from coast to coast that will even be remotely convenient or efficient without having to cross hundereds or thousands of roads. Have you even considered what would be necessary to deal with this can keep that rail “high speed”?

  • 361. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 23, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    All I can say is thank goodness BiW that the Wright brothers didn’t consult with you before doing their thing.

    I’d have told ‘em to go for it. Especially since I’ve never seen an aircraft downed from what is essentially a mine in their flightpath. (Barrage Balloons notwithstanding)

  • 362. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 23, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    Besides, we’re all only an EMP away from having all our “modernization” reduced to scrap.

  • 363. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Rutherford,

    I can’t believe you’re dumb enough to not understand the risks of thousands of extended miles of mostly unguarded rail. Do you honestly think the stink beards are going to set up shot at the station, o or the middle of Chicago? :lol: :lol:

    Or do you think they’ll go where nobody is monitoring the track? Like I said, we can’t even get a fence built on our Southern border.

  • 364. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Rutherford,

    On second thought, if you can guarantee me that you’ll stack the trains like cattle cars with thousands of uber libs, I say go for it. :smile: I’ll even chip in.

    http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2011/may/06/osama-bin-laden-had-plans-derail-us-train-911-anni/

  • 365. Rutherford  |  June 23, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    OK … so just so I’m sure I understand … every country with high speed rail is currently courting danger and wasting time and resources. Do I have that right?

  • 366. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 23, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Rutherford,

    How big is France? Could it fit in those states between the coasts and have room to get funky? Hell yes! Just in the matter of population and topography alone, you’re comparing apples and oranges.

    Then compare cultures, where the automobile is generally reserved for the upper middle class and the wealthy in Europe, it is much more of a conveyance for all here. Not to mention a necessity, especially in suburban and rural areas. I would wager that in the flyover states alone, we have more miles of road than you will find in all of continental western Europe.

  • 367. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Anthony Weiner is sending out pics again Rutherford:

  • 368. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 23, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    OK … so just so I’m sure I understand … every country with high speed rail is currently courting danger and wasting time and resources. Do I have that right?

    You understand much better than your simple paraphrase.

    How many resources to you have to waste on a bad idea before you say “This is a bad idea.”? Putting aside the enormous costs to get the land and build the system, you are talking about something that is easily…Gahhhhh….derailed with FAR less effort and cost than it would take to prevent it from happening.

    With proper screening, you can reduce the threats that can be brought on board (notice I didn’t say eliminate), and do so for a predictable fixed cost. This is different from the enormous cost of monitoring a nationwide rail system and the immediate area around it. You’re talking about entrusting a monumental task such as it to a government that cannot even secure a much smaller border and has a proclivity for pissing away taxpayer money like a sailor who just got paid in a Subic Bay whorehouse.

  • 369. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    You know “R” – one of the things that has always bothered me about you guys on the Left, is that you always start with two assumptions: (1) Revenue neutrality; (2) Protect gov’t at all costs, while citizens expenses (taxes) are secondary?

    Why is it you must always assume that government needs to either stay the status quo or be even larger, when their track record of managing anything is abysmal?

    Why aren’t you capable of assuming maybe government is way, way too large? Why aren’t you capable of questioning if maybe scarce resources couldn’t better be allocated? Why do you always assume that government knows better?

    What is sacrosanct about the size of our government? Can you help me with this, because it is something that always troubled me about liberals.

  • 370. dead rabbit  |  June 23, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    “like a sailor who just got paid in a Subic Bay whorehouse.”

    Actually, if we could protect high speed rail in the ball park of the thrifty Subic Bay prices, I’m in!

  • 371. Tex Taylor  |  June 23, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    The President addressing the 10th Mountain Division today at Fort Drum:

    “First time I saw 10th Mountain Division, you guys were in southern Iraq. When I went back to visit Afghanistan, you guys were the first ones there. I had the great honor of seeing some of you because a comrade of yours, Jared Monti, was the first person who I was able to award the Medal of Honor to who actually came back and wasn’t receiving it posthumously.”

    As we all know, SSG Sal Giunta, of the 173rd Airborne, was the first living recipient (2011) of the MOH who fought in Iraq/Afganistan. SFC Jared Monti, 10th Mountain Division, was KIA in Afghanistan in 2006. He was posthumously awarded the MOH by Obama in 2009.

    How does the Commander-in-Chief mix these heroes up? He put that medal around Giunta’s neck and he stood with Monti’s parents as they grieved. These fallen heroes leave such a great legacy, and we should know all their names. The ironic part of the speech, and this comes after the announcement of the politically pressured drawdown of troops in Afghanistan, was Obama’s closing remark, “Know that your Commander-in-Chief has your back.”

    Dumb ass for CiC. If this had been George Bush, Michelle Bachmann or Sarah Palin, we would never hear the end of it.

  • 372. dead rabbit  |  June 23, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    What if we really are being slowly conquered by an oligarchy through ways so high tech, convoluted and complex, its almost impossible negate?

    Legislation is tens of thousands of pages.

    Secret monetary system. Phantom trading. Market manipulation.

    Private companies operating outside the rules of Capitalism or any rules at all.

    Democrats and many Republicans dependent on an orgy of spending brazenly pirated from the future, from my son.

    An aging baby boom generation hell bent on the status quo, their own flesh and blood grandchildren be damned.

    An ever expanding and depraved government merging with a monolithic banking cartel.

    Hucking, you want to know what now drives history?

    You need to dive deeper the model UN.

    Learn math. Even calculus.

    Understand complex computing.

    If not, your still in Plato’s cave, maaaaaaan.

    Poolman, you want to hit this roach before I put i out?

  • 373. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 24, 2011 at 12:15 am

    Math is why I’m a Social Sciences major…

  • 374. Rutherford  |  June 24, 2011 at 12:17 am

    Before going to bed, I just wanted to clarify I wasn’t necessarily advocating a government run high speed rail system. Why can’t private enterprise be enticed to do it?

    Well I’m off to bed … thanks to you guys I’ll probably have nightmares of trains careening off tracks in Kansas to screams of Allahu Akbar!!! :neutral:

  • 375. dead rabbit  |  June 24, 2011 at 1:27 am

    Oil was declining anyways because of a slow down. OPEC is at the brink of shattering because Saudi Arabia and Iran can’t play nice. And rubes are scraping off hope and change bumper stickers.

    Why not pull off a little stunt to get some credit from main street in the middle of gloomy weather? Oil is going to fall anyways, put a hope and change sticker on it. And throw more drama into OPEC?

    Man would I like to see who was short oil.

    Numerous countries were involved in this. Can you imagine how much money the connected made today?

    Don’t at least one you saps know anybody in the know??????

  • 376. Tex Taylor  |  June 24, 2011 at 8:30 am

    According to historical budget tables published by the White House Office of Management and Budget, federal spending has climbed from $2.89 trillion in 2008—the year President Obama took office—to $3.82 trillion this year, an increase of approximately $930 billion.

    Geithner: Taxes on ‘Small Business’ Must Rise So Government Doesn’t ‘Shrink’

    A perfect example of why most Dimocrats are destroying the country. If America elects a large number of Dimocrats in 2012, you can guarantee a collapse.

    Short oil? For a few days maybe. I can virtually guarantee the price oil will increase in the near future, unless the emerging market picture in China and India collapses. There is no substitute if the world economies are to grow.

    P.S. Rutherford – if there were a feasible market for high speed passenger rail, the private sector would have proposed it long ago. There is no stomach or great demand for it.

  • 377. Tex Taylor  |  June 24, 2011 at 8:34 am

    More proof Hillary Clinton is a world class bitch and hypocrite and Obama is simply an incompetent asshole…both are a joke.

    WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON?

    “This is really just the cherry on top of the sundae that is our Libya mission, isn’t it? First, the guy who became famous for opposing ‘dumb wars’ launches a new mission in Libya. Then he fights tooth and nail to avoid getting congressional approval, going so far as to ignore his own lawyers as to whether operations there are legal. Then his own secretary of state — who spent years trying to make amends to the anti-war crowd for voting to invade Iraq — turns around and kinda sorta questions the loyalty of administration critics. What’s next, MoveOn.org running ads needling Boehner for being a hippie?”

    Libya is a “dumb war” — because it’s halfhearted, half-assed, and run by committee, and the President can’t even articulate the national interest involved. Obama the candidate said he was smarter than that. Obama the President is proving the candidate wrong. ~ Glenn Reynolds

  • 378. An800lbgorilla  |  June 24, 2011 at 10:18 am

    If we’re doiung high speed rail, do it for tjhe right reasons. Its not green, cheap or easy. If we can leverage it for high speed commerce- great. Just be honest about it.

  • 379. Tex Taylor  |  June 24, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Theme song for the Rutherford Lawson blog:

  • 380. dead rabbit  |  June 24, 2011 at 11:11 am

    “Short oil? For a few days maybe.”

    Agreed. It will be back up and no time. But, that engineered drop in oil was money in the bank for thousands of people who are close to the great deciders. Short it for the day.

  • 381. poolman  |  June 24, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Rail could have been established early as our primary form of transportation, except the trucking industry/union was too powerful. With subsidies on fuel, we have never paid the going rate. Now folks are too independent and stubborn to give rail a chance. And what of our investment in interstate highways and driver amenities? Plus the private property issues involved in securing an equitable path. If you don’t believe rail can be successful and economical, you’ve never traveled Europe.

    Rabbit, I hear you. I’ve been hitting that number for a few years now. The economy is engineered to perform for those in the position to MANipulate it. Look to whoever is amassing wealth under the present conditions, and you will likely see who is controlling this beast. Just an observation from a fellow inmate of this evolving penal colony we call the USofA.

  • 382. Tex Taylor  |  June 24, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    If you don’t believe rail can be successful and economical, you’ve never traveled Europe

    Bad example – European countries (with the exception of Russia) are a fraction of the size of the U.S…

  • 383. poolman  |  June 24, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    On Father’s Day, our pastor talked about the impressions fathers leave with their kids. Focusing primarily on the words that we hear repeated in the annals of our being as we confront life’s journey, what “dad words” come to mind?

    It was geared toward the proactive impression we leave for our offspring, however profound to reflect what was echoing within us.

    The reason I mention this, is as soon as Tex wrote,

    Bad example – European countries (with the exception of Russia) are a fraction of the size of the U.S…

    My dad’s words, “That must be your ass talking, because your mouth knows better.” came to mind. :grin:

    European trains are efficient. Scale is relative. Attitude (aka pride) keeps us burning more oil than the rest of creation. In the land of NASCAR and Monster Trucks, we deserve all we can drill and burn, baby. :evil:

  • 384. Rutherford  |  June 24, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Bad example – European countries (with the exception of Russia) are a fraction of the size of the U.S…

    Tex has finally hit upon something. Our country is too damn big. Time for a split! :-)

  • 385. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 24, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Don’t start on NASCAR, MOFO……

  • 386. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 24, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Now folks are too independent and stubborn to give rail a chance.

    Darn those Americans. They just won’t give what someone else has decided is better for them a chance.

    Take someone like me. Some weeks, I’m outta here at 5. Weeks like this week, I’ve been here until 7, 8, and 9. That doesn’t exactly conform with local public transport schedules, and taking it would take longer to get home.

    Then, as you pointed out, there is the cost of accquiring the land. So again I ask, how much do you spend before it isn’t a good idea?

    Tex is absolutely right. If it could be done efficiently at a profit, private industry would ALREADY be doing it.

    And Rutherford, re: having government do it, government would necessarily have to be involved, because there is always someone who doesn’t want to sell their land. Your alternatives would be that they would meet with an unfortunate “accident”, a mysterious death or disappearance, or eminent domain, which is the most cost effective option because the reimbursement while fair, never appraoches a holdout’s asking price.

  • 387. Tex Taylor  |  June 24, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    Scale is relative.

    That’s what Obama said about the size of our budget too. :smile: Look what that got us.

    Problem with high speed rail is that its benefits would be accessible to only a few due to logistics, unless hundreds of “feeders” were also constructed. Poolman talks about high speed rail, but I would ask him to consider what the price of the Chunel cost when it was said and done. And that is what? 30 miles?

    Pfesser is right. It you guys really feel like it’s practical, realistic, economically feasible, then I say go for it.

    But if you ask me, with our ‘scarce’ federal tax dollars (according to Dims), our next “moon trip” should be creating an independent energy plan which would be beneficial to everyone.

  • 388. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 24, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Testing this Gravitar thing. Don’t mind me….

  • 389. Tex Taylor  |  June 24, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Huck, those take a few minutes to appear when added or changed.

  • 390. huckingfypocrites  |  June 24, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    Maybe now?….

  • 391. huckingfypocrites  |  June 24, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Looks like I have to use my real email address for this to work.

  • 392. El Tigre  |  June 24, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    R, your tweets are priceless. So, they’re some kind of Internet turrets?

  • 393. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 24, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Huck, clear your cache. It will make the gravitar come through more quickly.

  • 394. huckingfypocrites  |  June 24, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Now?

  • 395. huckingfypocrites  |  June 24, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    This thing is about to piss me off…..

  • 396. Rutherford  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Huck, sorry everything went into moderation. You left out the space between Hucking and Fypocrites and WordPress didn’t recognize you as a regular contributor. Looks like your gravatar works.

  • 397. Tex Taylor  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Nice Gravatar! :lol:

  • 398. Rutherford  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    What is it about the middle finger that is so appealing? First Gorilla and now Huck. :-)

  • 399. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    “You left out the space between Hucking and Fypocrites…”

    I didn’t even notice that. Now I have to fix it…..

    Sorry Rutherford.

  • 400. Rutherford  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    R, your tweets are priceless. So, they’re some kind of Internet turrets?

    LOL that might be a fair assessment. I’d much rather be “judged” by my blog articles than by my tweets. Although I think you guys would be proud of me today … I’m in a bit of a pissing war with a lady who thinks OBL was “assassinated”. Jeeesh.

  • 401. dead rabbit  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Krauthammer- Santelli ’12

    Get on board.

  • 402. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    What is it about the middle finger that is so appealing? First Gorilla and now Huck.

    Well, the Fresh Prez of Bill Ayers and his cronies have been doing it to us daily for years now. I’d consider it a small act of rebellion.

    Speaking of which, Turbo Tax Timmah fails to get the point:

    When Ellmers finally told Geithner that “the point is we need jobs,” he responded that the administration felt it had “no alternative” but to raise taxes on small businesses because otherwise “you have to shrink the overall size of government programs”—including federal education spending.

    I believe I speak for conservatives everywhere when I say “Umm, yeah…that’s the point, Timmah.”

  • 403. Rutherford  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    In a rare instance of Rutherford the macho handy man, I replaced the rollers on the lower rack of my dishwasher today. A bigger feeling of accomplishment than the entire final ten years of my corporate life. :-)

  • 404. dead rabbit  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    My little boy has a love for animals (hopefully not the kind we were discussing earlier) that is unparalleled to other toddlers his age.

    I took him to the petting zoo this morning. You should have seen the excitement and fascination.

    He would pet the little pigs for a second and then run back screaming in delight…over and over.

    A turkey took a decent bite on his finger, which freaked him out a bit.

    My goal is to work the market like a stink beetle and get enough cash for a deep freezer, this month. I lost all my profits this week, so I need to hit something. Me the boy will pick a cow out to eat every year. i think its important he (and other people) understand what our food really is (or should be).

  • 405. Rutherford  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Santelli can choke on my “member”. :evil:

  • 406. Rutherford  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    Rabbit, you’re not raising little Bronson to be a vegetarian? I’m so shocked. :shock:

    Actually my daughter loves animals too. Completely fearless around them. At her age I was a real wuss when it came to anything that didn’t understand English (LOL take that in whatever direction you please).

  • 407. Rutherford  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    LOL BiW even I thought the Geithner quote you provided was a hoot.

  • 408. Rutherford  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    I didn’t even notice that. Now I have to fix it…..

    Ok now it looks like you’re golden. Everything back to normal.

  • 409. dead rabbit  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    Federal education spending……what a joke. I could teach my class in a cave lit up by a camp fire. Books. It’s all I need.

    You should have seen the Federal Stimulus money wasted last year.

    The latest are these “smart boards”. They are like touch screen chalk boards. Total waste of money.

    Get rid of the entire Department of Ed and not a damn thing would change next year. Most of the money they give us goes into ensuring we can cheat on the ever changing standardization tests….which….drum roll…..show that kids from good families do pretty good on them.

    Fucking ax my pension and ax my social security. I don’t want any of it. And if you conservatives think you don’t need me, I call your bluff, ax me too.

    The baby boomers screw over their grand children but were also too lazy to take care of their own parents in old age. This changed the culture of how we deal with the elderly. Whatever happened to Grandma moving in with her son at an old age?

    I lived in a 900 square foot house with 4 brothers, two parents and my grandma. I was better for it. I took care of her while she died a horrible death and her only comfort was that we were with her. And, if I dare say so, particularly that old Rabbit was with her, as I was her favorite.

    She never needed social security. She had us.

  • 410. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    LOL BiW even I thought the Geithner quote you provided was a hoot.

    It would be damn funny if he wasn’t deadly serious.

    The whole article is here:

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/geithner-taxes-small-business-must-rise

    As one of my fellow Hostage/Peasants said about it after he read it:

    “Heh, it’s amazing how shitty their policies sound when they are absolutely honest about their plans.”

  • 411. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Fucking ax my pension and ax my social security. I don’t want any of it. And if you conservatives think you don’t need me, I call your bluff, ax me too.

    I come from teachers, and my kids have already learned more history and science from me than they have in Publick Screwl.

  • 412. Rutherford  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    Rabbit, while I think you paint too rosy a picture of familial bliss, I do agree that “the family” has changed a bit over the years. I don’t know how many folks had grandma move in with them decades ago but now it’s pretty much “retirement community” or nursing home.

    Then again, some folks have Dad’s like mine who would sooner eat nails than move in with me. It’s not that he doesn’t like me … he just doesn’t believe that children should ever have to take care of their parents. He believes parents take care of children, period.

  • 413. dead rabbit  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    “Rabbit, you’re not raising little Bronson to be a vegetarian?”

    ha ha…..R, no, but I am raising him to respect what goes into the luxury of eating meat. Why we should be thankful for it. Believe it or not, I learned all this from hunting and fishing.

    When I buy my cow, the first thing I’m gonna do if grill that tongue.

    I’ve been making soup out of everything lately. I realized how much food we waste not to make soup out of the bones.

  • 414. Rutherford  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    I come from teachers, and my kids have already learned more history and science from me than they have in Publick Screwl.

    And that alone is a reason to be afraid … be very afraid.

  • 415. dead rabbit  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    “I come from teachers, and my kids have already learned more history and science from me than they have in Publick Screwl.”

    home school them.

  • 416. Rutherford  |  June 24, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    BiW, how well did your kids take to that lesson about Adam consorting with his pet dinosaur? Isn’t that what the “new history” is teaching the kids nowadays? ;-)

  • 417. El Tigre  |  June 24, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    “I’m in a bit of a pissing war with a lady who thinks OBL was ‘assassinated'”

    What were you wanting? Euthanized? Exterminated? Whacked? Put at peace?

  • 418. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 24, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    And that alone is a reason to be afraid … be very afraid.

    Not really. My old man was a science teacher. Every day was a quiz with him, and I did pretty well with it in school, I just didn’t chose to make it a career path, especially since I found the math in the higher order physics to be difficult.

    As for the history, its always been a love of mine, and by high school, I’d already done more in depth reading on it than the people who were supposed to be teaching me. I never stopped, and my library is still pretty extensive, despite having culled it a few times.

  • 419. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 24, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    home school them.

    I’d love to, but those bills, especially the student loans, will not pay themselves.

  • 420. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 24, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    What were you wanting? Euthanized? Exterminated? Whacked? Put at peace?

    I’ve always liked “Sanctioned with extreme prejudice” myself.

  • 421. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 24, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    BiW, how well did your kids take to that lesson about Adam consorting with his pet dinosaur? Isn’t that what the “new history” is teaching the kids nowadays?

    I don’t think that meets with the criteria promoting “social justice”, R. Owning an animal would just be wrong, and violate the animal’s right to freedom.

  • 422. Tex Taylor  |  June 24, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    BiW, how well did your kids take to that lesson about Adam consorting with his pet dinosaur? Isn’t that what the “new history” is teaching the kids nowadays?

    I’m not sure where you get your information. Is that the MSNBC line, or something?

    I cringe to think how messed up that liberal indoctrination education your daughter is getting at those fine public

    cesspools

    schools – where girls are taught piercing their clit is as perfectly normal as piercing their ear lobe and they show the boys in girl’s studies class, students copulate in the classroom, DeJuan brings a .45 to class to bust a cap in the teacher’s skull, Pedro snorts another line wearing his MS13 XXX, Latkisha just aborted her four kid and has three at home, grandma drowned one in the bathtub in a crack induced stupor, kids are taught Islam a religion of peace while the real enemy was those evil Christians Crusaders, Obama divine, and your daughter schooled at seven about a bull queer ramming his erect prick up another man’s rectum just an alternative life style – just like like mommy and daddy.

    Fine Connecticut education… :twisted: Wait until you experience Zero’s home turf of Ebonic education. We’z be in withs the publk housen chillden.

  • 423. Rutherford  |  June 24, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Funny you mention it Tex … kid just brought home her end of year report card for 1st grade and in the teacher’s remarks it said “vomited in class during clit piercing lesson. Clearly father not liberal enough.” :-)

  • 424. Rutherford  |  June 24, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    I don’t think that meets with the criteria promoting “social justice”, R. Owning an animal would just be wrong, and violate the animal’s right to freedom.

    Touche!

  • 425. Rutherford  |  June 24, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    What were you wanting? Euthanized? Exterminated? Whacked? Put at peace?

    Context helps. Richard Wolfe on Hardball referred to US “assassinating bin Laden”. I tweeted my objection to his choice of words. Then a fellow twitizen asked me why I objected. I said “assassination” raises bin Laden to a place of righteous leadership to which he is undeserving. Besides, assassination is illegal and I don’t believe we committed a crime. We killed an enemy combatant.

    Like a true liberal she said he deserved a fair trial and that we treated him like a sub-human and that we have been a very bad country, ending with the famous hashtag #torture.

    Sometimes, rarely, I understand why you lose patience with the likes of me. :-)

  • 426. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 24, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    We killed an enemy combatant.

    *looks toward GITMO*

    What is an “enemy combatant”?

  • 427. Tex Taylor  |  June 24, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    Like a true liberal she said he deserved a fair trial and that we treated him like a sub-human and that we have been a very bad country, ending with the famous hashtag #torture.

    You’re going to have a hard time convincing me the world wouldn’t be a much better place if someone could take careful aim and assassinate her. I’d settle for watching her get her ass caned by one of those Iranian women in the two slits for eyes burka and leaving her. What an utter moron.

    Give me her name so I can put my virtual foot up her ass.

  • 428. dead rabbit  |  June 24, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    but but but Rutherford???? You were incredulous over my claims that Obama has banker buddies?

    Oh….I’m sure the DNC sponsored event was for America. What a total coincidence all of the “advice giving” bankers bank rolled the last campaign!

    And can you believe they forgot to tell anyone about the meeting?

    Couldn’t be special interest shadiness. No way. Not Mr. Hope and Change.

    I don’tr know if this is true, but I read an internet comment that claimed Obama has had 30……THIRTY…fund raising events to Bush’s 2 at this point in the campaign. Wow.

    It must be like an auction right now for the hooked up positions of power to be doled out in 2012.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57389_Page3.html

  • 429. Tex Taylor  |  June 24, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Here’s some great news for all of us…and I think he’s right on the money. Thank you Ben Bernacke – thank you Barack Obama – thank you Nancy Pelosi – thank you Harry Reid.

    Thank you to Chris Dodd, and Barney Frank, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/retirement-know-dead-europacific-pento-175638657.html;_ylt=AuzmSRLZNhnn4MOtW7JY9Eqtcq9_;_ylu=X3oDMTFoN2Z0a25rBHBvcwMyBHNlYwNjb250ZXh0dWFsLWRhaWx5dGlja2VyBHNsawNyZXRpcmVtZW50aXM-

  • 430. dead rabbit  |  June 24, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    You know, I do allot of complaining about the game being rigged because…..well….it kind of is.

    I think I…and maybe even we, take for granted what opportunities the internet age has brought to all of us.

    Fucking Library of Alexandria in my musty ass basement.

    Is Day trading the Fibonacci pattern snake oil? Shit. What the fuck was the Fibonacci number.

    It’s all there. Start off as dumb as you want. Build it up. What a full blown marvel!

  • 431. dead rabbit  |  June 24, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Tex,

    Great video. People my age have two choices. Become disciplined wolves or become government sheep.

    On paper, I am at my all time low right now. No savings. Fanny Mae is coming after me for deficiency. Lost my home.

    But, my mind has never been in a better place. I see life as a war and I love living this way.

    For example, I’ve spent hours learning the law and my rights. I’ve talked down Fanny’s goons from 80,000 on the first mortgage (can you believe that….THE DEFICIENCY ON ONLY THE FIRST!!!!) to 2,300 bucks, no docs. Obviously, they are trying to get pennies on the dollar, but its still torture dealing with them every day. The guilt trip, legal threats, loud voices……

    Ever since I truly empowered myself, my anxiety has actually disappeared.

    I eat bird bone soup for dinner and like it, motherfuckers!

  • 432. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 25, 2011 at 1:30 am

    I just love this blatant media bias.

    CNN.com runs a story entitled, “Obama follows in Bush’s footsteps on War Powers

    Of course, any idiot knows that Bush got prior congressional approval before going into Iraq AND Afghanistan, so WTF is CNN trying to pull?

    Here is supposedly how Obama followed Bush’s footsteps….

    “Not unlike his predecessor. In October 2001, Bush relied on the president’s Article II authorities and his reading of congressional action (the Authorization for the Use of Military Force against al Qaeda) to direct the intercept of certain terrorist communications entering or leaving the United States. As today, some in Congress believed that this terrorist surveillance program exceeded the president’s authority and violated a statute, in this case the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA.”

    And there it is. Bush used his executive authority to read some emails. So obviously, if Obama uses executive authority to drop bombs and kill people, he is just following in Bush’s footsteps.

    It’s shit like that, Rutherford, that has prompted my new gravitar.

  • 433. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 25, 2011 at 1:51 am

    Thought….

    Obama is so eager to pull out of Afghanistan quicker than he originally said because he knows Iraq is going to ask us to stay past the date he said we would withdrawal and he knows he is going to say “yes” to that request.

    Which will, of course, be breaking yet another of his major campaign platforms. So he’d better throw the left a bone before it decides to get a bug up its ass about his hawkish lies (yeah, I know…fat chance…).

  • 434. Alfie  |  June 25, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Rutherford since you’ve lived in CT I can’t understand HOW you can believe the high speed rail myth.
    Acela is a fucking joke!

  • 435. PFesser  |  June 25, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Name the poison.

  • 436. Alfie  |  June 25, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Iraq will definitely ask us to stay past the date. They’ll need us to help pay for and defend their French built high speed rail line, Baghdad to Basra.I’m not kidding.

  • 437. PFesser  |  June 25, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    I think the high-speed rail argument needs to shift a little bit. Firstly, Amtrak, etc. are POSes. They are dirty, slow, inconvenient and unreliable. I have ridden trains in Europe and they are fast and clean. I have relatives in Chicago. If I had the choice of flying from Richmond to Chicago, dealing with the TSA and all the bullshit or getting on a clean high speed rail line where I could get up and walk around, read, go to the club car for a drink and spend the day relaxing, watching the countryside flash by – and get there in a reasonable time, I’d be all over it.

  • 438. Alfie  |  June 25, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Where do we shift it? Nationwide rail for a country the size of the USA just isn’t feasible. I doubt that if we even had maintained and grew our rail system instead of planes and autos we’d have a system that could come close to the European systems.
    I’ve looked into Acela a couple of times for both NYC and DC trips. When you crunch all the numbers my car or the plane out of Logan always won.

  • 439. Tex Taylor  |  June 25, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    You might be able to build high speed passenger along the northeast corridor and make it feasible – no where else.

    Make them as pristine and state of the art as possible, but they won’t stay that way without draconian measures at the end of a high powered assault rifle – Americans for the most part, are pigs. And if they aren’t pigs, there are enough amoral O’Bama community cloned misfits that will use the new trains as their own personal art gallery and urinal – mostly black and hispanic without a sense of morals or personal pride.

    I realized this while I was over in Hawaii, and this time it was the pathetic trust fund, babies of red diaper baby types – all white or Asian, stupid and irresponsible. My Gawd, if you can’t appreciate not littering and picking up after yourself in paradise, then where can you? Damn deviants on the beach, mostly tattooed and pierced young adults, not even worthy of eye candy. I don’t know how many plastic bottles I threw away; how many beer cans I picked up.

    I pointed to them and told my kids, “See that? That is the end result of liberal parenting skills; nihilists and sponges of the state or living off their granddaddy’s hard work. They have no redeeming qualities. Rest assured, their parents are equally as screwed up as they are. Obama progressive drones and European parasites. Leeches that you should avoid at all costs, and should scorn for the remainder of your days. Get yourself a nice enough job that you can get in a gated community and wall them off. And damn sure don’t let your children cavort with their misfits. These maggots and their progeny will drag everything to hell with them. Be prepared to survive and pick up the pieces.” :twisted: Mom Taylor had this sheepish look on her face and shook her head gently from side to side, taking a big gulp of water. The kids snickered under their breath.

    ———-

    So my suggestion goes back to Pfesser’s initial suggestion – similar to states playing European countries – let the states pay for it that think they can make a go of it. And if it fails, or becomes a boondoggle like I believe it will, let the citizens of the participating states eat the cost and no one else, with the understanding there will be no bailout of any sort.

  • 440. dead rabbit  |  June 26, 2011 at 12:48 am

    Holy shit Tex cracks me up sometimes. There’s a guy who should have his own blog.

  • 441. dead rabbit  |  June 26, 2011 at 12:50 am

    Damn right, let the States decide. End of story.

  • 442. pfesser53  |  June 26, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Hey Rutherford –

    I just got a few minutes to look up some news articles about Huntsman. He looks too good to be true! Dirt bike rider (like me), successful governor, likes kids (lots of ‘em!), seems to have his head bolted on straight about pussy, “spiritual” but not a zealot (I’m surprised there hasn’t been a neck injury as the others fall all over each other to show how fundamentalist they are.), knows the names of other countries and has a thoroughgoing understanding of China (extremely, extremely important IMHO, since they are THE up-and-coming country now).

    Know anything else about him? Thoughts?

  • 443. El Tigre  |  June 26, 2011 at 10:24 am

    MSNBC endorses him.

  • 444. textaylor  |  June 26, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Bingo El Tigre,

    Another uber RINO, lib in Republican clothing, and the choice of the Obama Administration to run against. Enough said about Huntsman – not viable; not electable.

  • 445. textaylor  |  June 26, 2011 at 11:09 am

    John Huntsman: Liberal media’s’ pet candidate

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-turn/2011/02/john_huntsman_liberal_medias_p.html

  • 446. pfesser53  |  June 26, 2011 at 11:31 am

    If “R” means the lunatic fringe we have had carrying the banner for the Party (unsuccessfully, I might add) for the last few years, RINO sounds pretty good to me.

    Most folks are as afraid of – and disgusted with – the far Right as they are the far Left. They sure scare the pants off me, I’ll tell you. Wouldn’t bother me a bit to see one of those dirty intellectuals who know the difference between Africa and South Africa to be a ReBiblican candidate for once. Yes, I know that nobody ever got elected by overestimating the brainpower of the American electorate, but I’m frankly tired of candidates whose main cachet is that they don’t know anything and are proud of it.

  • 447. fakename2  |  June 26, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    I don’t think MSNBC is capable of thinking that far ahead, but if it were, endorsing Huntsman would be a great strategy. It certainly has scared off the majority of readers here. So it’s working. I don’t want Huntsman to be the Republican candidate. I want it to be someone dumber and crazier. Therefore, I’m throwing my support behind Michele Bachmann.

  • 448. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 26, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    “I want it to be someone dumber and crazier. ”

    That’s because you want someone who will make the idiot Obama look good when he starts talking about 57 states and seeing dead war heroes in the crowd.

    “Wouldn’t bother me a bit to see one of those dirty intellectuals who know the difference between Africa and South Africa to be a ReBiblican candidate for once. ”

    But until then you’ll keep supporting the party that produces politicians who think islands will sink if you put too many people on them?

    You hucking fypocrites make me sick.

  • 449. El Tigre  |  June 26, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Tex, thank you for taking my bait. I was wondering if anyone was paying attention. The article you linked to is dead on. Seems so obvious to me too. I was wating for R to elaborate.

    FN, MSNBC takes its cues form the DNC and is tied directly to the Obama administration. It doesn’t have its own thoughts. It’s a propoganda affiliate. You do know that, don’t you? Please do throw your support behind Bachmann if you’re delusional enough to think that’ll save this wretched President’s job. Or you could back to chanting “Hope and Change” and “Yes we can.” :roll:

    I love when libs give advice to the right.

  • 450. El Tigre  |  June 26, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    “Wouldn’t bother me a bit to see one of those dirty intellectuals who know the difference between Africa and South Africa to be a ReBiblican candidate for once.”

    You mean when the left gives credit for knowing the difference.

    Hey, if you’re going to sing his praises, the Obama administration’s policy on China is a shining example of. . . . what exactly?????

  • 451. dead rabbit  |  June 26, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Can you imagine the few thousand weirdos left who actually will be chanting ” Yes We Can” after the reality of this 4 year disaster?

  • 452. Alfie  |  June 26, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    How could Huntsman be viable as POTUS???
    He’s got the religion issues of Romney as well as ties to Obama that should rival Mitts issues.(failed ambassador to health care)
    He hails from a state that really….how are you to be moved by the executive acumen?
    Also even though it is still early I don’t see how he has announced positions that make anyone say “Oh Yes!”

  • 453. textaylor  |  June 26, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    I don’t want Huntsman to be the Republican candidate. I want it to be someone dumber and crazier. Therefore, I’m throwing my support behind Michele Bachmann.

    Frankly, I don’t think you are smart enough to recognize dumber and crazier, unless it would be birds of a feather, and you voted him three years ago. Anybody not smart enough to recognize O’Bama a dangerous facade is not worth listening to as advocate or expert. Loser support losers…

    ———–

    Here’s all you need to know about Huntsman: Huntsman gave money to Harry Reid’s re-election campaign and Huntsman supported cap and trade “based on a consensus” of governors.

    That’s all we need to know about him. He’s a blue blood and product of serendipity. There was nothing exceptional during Huntsman’s time in Utah at all – he was a workman-like competent leader who did a decent enough job during prosperous times. Big deal…

    Winning with a moderate is not winning. We know the policies of the Left do not work. That has been amply demonstrated the last five years. Moderate Republicans are also left of center and it is clear that their policies also do not work. This has also been amply demonstrated.

    These are not prosperous times and the time has come for radical departure of the 20+ years of big government, higher taxes and more and more egregious, expensive regulation.

  • 454. fakename2  |  June 26, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Tigre, I wasn’t giving advice, I was “hoping” out loud :) Are you then going to support Huntsman? Are you saying it doesn’t matter who the Republican candidate is? That whoever it is will beat Obama regardless? I believe that’s wrong, and probably a dangerous view for a conservative. If you pick the dumbest and craziest of the announced candidates, you’re setting it up for Obama to win. If I were you, I’d pick the person with the greatest chance of beating him. Probably that’s Romney, IMO. It for sure isn’t Bachmann.
    And Huck…hold that thought. That’s exactly the attitude I’m looking for :)

  • 455. textaylor  |  June 26, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    I find it amazing the same people who were dumb enough to vote for Obama and his cult of personality, believing in the ‘profundity’ of “Yes We Can!” and “Hope and Change”, the same personalities here now who still defend this loser and self-absorbed shill, believe themselves fit to predict who could and couldn’t beat Obama.

    Wasn’t a year ago, we were hearing the words “teabaggers”; two years ago Conservatism was dead; three years ago, “We are the ones we have been waiting for…”.

    This election will be a direct referendum on Obama. His miserable record is one of utter failure in every regard – there has never been a bigger failure and sham as President, Jimmy Carter included. The next twelve months will prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    If America is dumb enough, depraved enough to vote for this racist, follower of black theology and friend to thugs, communists and Marxists, then let our country die the hideous death it will deserve overnight.

    And after much pain, we will start anew without the help of liberals, and finally be forced to do what has needed to be done for years and what our Founding Fathers would have done without hesitation – declare independence from this Leftist scum and be done with them.

    They are the enemy and traitors, and will finally be treated as such. Either way, their future is mighty bleak.

  • 456. El Tigre  |  June 26, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    FN, do you ever actually read and digest what is being said here?

    “Hope” away. Tell us how you plan to sell Obama’s performance. He’s your guy. Seriously. Try your hand at that before launching your misplaced platitudes about the right. Or are you just here to police the tone of discourse again?

  • 457. fakename2  |  June 26, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    I admit that Romney is pretty boring. And he has that Mormon albatross around his neck–just like Huntsman. Not to mention Romney now has the Obamney Care albatross to deal with, which he quite unsucessfully, in my opinion, tries to slither around. I’m merely comparing his executive experience to that of the other candidates, and he does come across as less dumb and less crazy. As long as you can put the concept of belonging to a cult out of your consciousness.
    I’m not personally married to the idea of Obama being re-elected, but you would have to give me a viable alternative. Sometimes I think this blog should be renamed “Forum for the Politically Ignorant”. Do you want to win, or do you want to be a purist? Being a purist is the fastest way of insuring the President’s re-election. And when I compare him to the potential adversaries, he wins.
    That wouldn’t be such a bad thing for you–you would get four more years of whining.

  • 458. textaylor  |  June 26, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    FN, do you ever actually read and digest what is being said here?

    I have never thought lake capable Tigre myself. There’s no depth of understanding to the Fake.

    The epitome of fascist without power…the abhorrent combination of superficial, pseudo-intellectualism with unsavory character.

  • 459. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 26, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    “I’m merely comparing his executive experience to that of the other candidates….”

    I love how this is suddenly important to the left.

    “Sometimes I think this blog should be renamed “Forum for the Politically Ignorant”.”

    Great idea. Then you would feel right at home.

    “I’m not personally married to the idea of Obama being re-elected, but you would have to give me a viable alternative.”

    I have asked Rutherford this countless times and he refuses to respond. Maybe your balls are bigger.

    Why is it up to the GOP to come up with an alternative to Obama? If people on the left were honestly looking for an alternative, they would find one among their own ranks and primary him.

    Why isn’t that being done?

  • 460. fakename2  |  June 26, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Alfie, let’s pretend that your question in 456 was a real one, instead of an undisguised insult. I do read and digest the drivel here, but clearly not well enough. If I did, I would agree with you no doubt.

  • 461. Alfie  |  June 26, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    @ FN2 #460…
    You’re calling out the wrong person.

  • 462. El Tigre  |  June 26, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    It’s me. And you haven;t followed a thing that I’ve said before commenting on it.

    Go back and start with your lecture about how I was “mean” and work your way forward.

    As for politically ignorant, why not respond to what’s been asked of you instead of proving my points for me?

  • 463. textaylor  |  June 26, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    I don’t know how big her “balls” are Huck, but I’ll bet those Fake nails are long and scarred from scraping backs and scratching balls. Those are shrunken, scarred gonads of misuse.

    I figured old Fake out about thirty minutes into perusing her strange blog trying to determine out what kind of a Flake I was playing cards when she showed up one day insulting me third party. This was a newly discovered mole faced shrew – one I had never had to hunt before – different than the Chatty Kitchen pan bangers and Fat Granny rubes.

    And I guarantee you I’m right about most of my observations. It’s amazing what you can learn about profound dysfunction from somebody’s blog posts. Here’s three personality traits you can take to the bank.

    ======

    (1) Bully – guaranteed anybody under her menial supervisory role at the parking garage is miserable. This is the “trivial work bitch with delusions of grandeur” personified, promoted up through lack of demand and the Peter Principle. Probably threatened her way up to the top with weak-kneed men. Nobody wants to works with this dry hole, but the powers that be haven’t figured out how to can her without gender/age discrimination suit – so the higher supervisors ignore her and let the serfs deal with the living hell. The peasants all praying for her death.

    (2) Dr. Doolittle. Superficial and bipolar; from ecstasy and jubilation, to profane irritability with alligator tears, and back. Completely self-absorbed with only her plants and her pets to keep company 99% of the time. Only the distant sister can tolerate the emotional oscillation for any length of time, so there are long periods of unhealthy isolation, where she routinely takes out her unhappiness in the only venue she controls – parking garage supervisor. She desperately needs a man. :smile:

    (3) Regret, scared and complete paranoia dominate her life. She wrote a blog post about yours truly and her diagnosis of my derangement she found on one of these internet psychology tests.

    When I went to comment, knowing fully well she would be the only one to see it as everything moderated and deleted as you can well imagine, the entire post was gone. :twisted: Paranoia had struck again. I was pissed – not that she wrote such an unflattering article with psychobabble included, but that I wouldn’t get the opportunity to mock her some more. This was great stuff to mock too. Dammit!

  • 464. fakename2  |  June 26, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    And now on to you, Huck, in 459. I didn’t say that executive experience is important to the Left. I’m not even sure what “the Left” thinks, with the exception of a few vocal and rabid members of it that I can clearly identify. What I AM saying, is that if you believe that the President’s lack of that experience has caused him to bungle his chances, then it would seem to be a good area to highlight if you wanted to elect a Republican.
    As for the Democrats looking for an alternative…what planet are you from? This is where fantasy bumps into reality. It is not going to happen. He’s the President. Even if Democrats are not completely happy with him, they would be idiots to try to switch. It just isn’t done. And there are millions of people who like and approve of him. It would be suicide for the Democrats to stop supporting him. So THAT is why it’s up to the GOP to come up with a better candidate. Sorry, but that is once again the way it works. When you’re outside, you have to work harder.

  • 465. textaylor  |  June 26, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Fake, I know you’re as thin as a human hair, but you’re obviously not illiterate.

    How much of that cheap wine you talk about incessantly on your Dr. Doolittle blog have you consumed this afternoon? It that to get you through the work week?

  • 466. poolman  |  June 26, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Ron Paul needs to be taken seriously. Who has heard of Huntsman? Seems a little late to establish celebrity. How can anyone consider Huntsman when die hard democrats will never cross over and the über republicans want to backtrack the past 2.5 years.

    I like Obama just fine, but he can’t accomplish anything he set out to do. He has either greatly compromised his original agenda or intentionally misled us. Either way, he has not succeeded in getting us on solid ground as a nation. The globalist approach we are taking really is destabilizing our national integrity. The banking cartel relationship bothers me big time.

    Change will come. Hope is it will leave this republic intact.

  • 467. fakename2  |  June 26, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    Sigh. Tex, I generally try to deny your existence, but…your continued stalking of my blog, apparently as recently as today, is quite weird. And it apparently hasn’t taught you anything about me, since everything you say is a distortion or an outright lie. I’m not sure how it makes you feel better to do this, but it must make you feel better in some way, That’s why I keep saying you’re sick. Normal people do not take pleasure in trying to destroy others. You can have sharp responses, but you go beyond that. I’m not sure why you hate me so much, but clearly you do.
    I must remind you of your former hated female boss.

  • 468. textaylor  |  June 26, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    No actually, I haven’t been to your blog today. I will now cruise on over at your invitation. Will you orgasm again if I leave a post giving the same advice you paid a Vet for about your dog? That earned me the moniker “stalker.” And you didn’t even know it was me until I told you. But I have a simple question. If you don’t want us looking at your blog, why do you link to it here then? You’re a person on vast contradictions Flake.

    As far as the lies, unless you’ve wiped more of your posts, the information contained above is readily available for anyone’s perusal. I’ll stand by everything I said. Your arrogance got called on the last bogus claim you made, and you conveniently disappeared from R.L. for three weeks when the topic of “money” came into discussion. Let’s hope you show a little more spine (covered) this time.

    That’s why I keep saying you’re sick. Normal people do not take pleasure in trying to destroy others. You can have sharp responses, but you go beyond that. I’m not sure why you hate me so much, but clearly you do.

    Nah, I don’t hate you. That assumes I care about you in some capacity. I think you’re a pompous ass, man-hating phony and blowhard that deserves her comeuppance. Nothing more. Shouldn’t go look to pick fights you can’t win Flake. Let that be a lesson to you next time you want to pop off to a stranger. Your bullied subordinates at work would thank me.

    What happened to your psychoanalyzing post of me? Did you think I would “stalk you” some more. And don’t give me that bullshit about you never wrote one. You know what I think? In some twisted way, your imagination has run wild and you think you’ve got some secret admirer.

    ** GUFFAW **

  • 469. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 26, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    “I’m not personally married to the idea of Obama being re-elected, but you would have to give me a viable alternative.”

    “Even if Democrats are not completely happy with him, they would be idiots to try to switch. It just isn’t done. ”

    Its the fault of people like you and Rutherford that we will possibly continue to be in this mess. You know he sucks and say you have no problem with him not being re-elected. But you will continue to support him because you’ve already gone all in for his agenda.

    Which proves that this “if the GOP finds someone better I will maybe support them” BS is just that…BS. You don’t want the GOP to find an alternative to Obama, because you really don’t want an alternative to Obama. What you want is an excuse for when he gets re-elected and continues to suck…and we look to you and ask why you forced this shit on us again…you can say “hey, it’s not my fault. You guys couldn’t find me anyone better.”

    If you really wanted someone better than Obama, you’d find them from your own party. You obviously can’t. To the extent that none of you can name an alternative any time you are asked to do so.

  • 470. fakename2  |  June 26, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Alfie, my apologies :)
    Tex, my apologies as well. It appears you only stalked me yesterday.
    Now back to that hated female boss. Did she fire you? Or did you quit, a la “Network”? Either way, I’m sure it had nothing to do with your attitude or behavior. At least I’m sure you’re sure. It’s so interesting to see you describe my blog and make inferences about me, which is perfectly legitimate. It’s that your inferences are twisted. You portray me as an M&H kind of person.It must slay you that you never see me there.
    You need me to be a man hater. That’s the way you justify hatng me. When you described my blog here, you mentioned my sister. Yes, she’s my friend as well as my sister. I’m pretty happy about that. But you conveniently left off the MEN who are my friends.
    Are you happy, Tex? Are you having fun, at least once a day? I am. I’m not angry and bitter all the time and looking for an excuse to vent it. You should try it.

  • 471. Alfie  |  June 26, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Huck @ 469… In all fairness it is one of the truly bipartisan commonalities that neither party tends to take credible runs at sitting POTUS’s of their own party.
    Some time ago in thread far away I asked which party was most likely to spawn a third (spoiler) party or candidate.
    I think that is something that has been refreshed in my mind and I’d love to ask it again.
    I do not think the left will offer up anything other than the usual fringe elements but does anyone left of center think “well maybe….” It isn’t completely illogical I guess especially since BHO has failed them all so much and his reelection spin can’t possibly dupe them all again?

  • 472. textaylor  |  June 26, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Fake,

    You must believe I frequent your blog a lot. You would be wrong sweetie. It’s not that interesting – just morbid curiosity. I usually hit it when I hit Graychin’s and Yeller Dawg’s Pravda site. I have only left one comment, and that was a nice one giving advice. Remember?

    ———-

    Tex, my apologies as well. It appears you only stalked me yesterday. Now back to that hated female boss. Did she fire you? Or did you quit, a la “Network”?

    So somebody that hits the link to your blog is a stalker? Is that pumpkin faced Spencer a stalker? How about Rutherford? How about Graychin? :smile: Is that old fart a stalker? What did he do? Get his feelings hurt there and jump ship?

    Now, about that female boss. I only had one – straight out of school. She was cut out of your cloth, hated and disdained by her employees, only she smoked like a freight train. She was only my boss for a couple of months. She had a heart attack at 44 one night at home, and poof, she was gone. Guess who became the “boss”? :smile: Maybe I’m a murderer too?

    ———–

    Tigre is right. You have no reading skills, comprehension or memory. Perhaps that is why you are always confused. For example, I specifically noted you weren’t a pot banger or M&H Rube from above. See..

    This was a newly discovered mole faced shrew – one I had never had to hunt before – different than the Chatty Kitchen pan bangers and Fat Granny rubes.

    ———–

    Now, back to the topic at hand. I’m not inferring anything but your man hating. These boys that post there are on your milquetoast and your toe sucking lackeys, telling me you’re also incredibly weak and not confident, so the only posts you allow are those that agree with you. From your missed and extended lack of periods, to your lack of boyfriends, the rest is verbatim from your weird personal blog. I’m waiting on a schedule of your bowel movements.

    You’re right Flake. I’m miserably unhappy. That’s why I am going to Florida this week. To look for love. I’ll be there next weekend, just a hundred miles from you. Are you looking for a FWB? :sad:

    ———–

    So why did you divest yourself of the “stalker post?” That one did give me a hoot.

    P.S. – your sister doesn’t read the troubled thought police like you. :wink: I guess every family has one.

  • 473. fakename2  |  June 26, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    No, Huck, I do not know that he sucks.I am in fact all in for his agenda, although I think he hasn’t accomplished it well. As they say, governing is not nearly as easy as campaigning. But who could? I don’t think there is anyone better in the Democratic Party. Hillary Clinton, maybe, but you would have to be dreaming that she would challenge the President this time. She’s done until 2016.
    It isn’t really my fault that the Republicans can’t find a stand-out candidate. Remember John McCain? His problem was being too reasonable, although he belatedly tried to correct that. Whether or not you find it fair, the reality is that the GOP has to come up with an alternative to the President who is thoughful and charismatic. Dumb and charismatic won’t work, and smart and boring won’t either.

  • 474. textaylor  |  June 26, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    What part of his agenda are you for Prissy? It is the $5.4 Trillion of debt with no discernible benefit, or the constant military gaffes where O’Blammo confuses medal of honor winners and calls the Corp, Corpse? How about the 500% increase of deaths in Afghanistan? ObamaCare requiring waivers?

    Perhaps it O’Bama’s bungling of the BP Oil Spill, or his broken promises of halving the deficit, and then tripling it? What of the transparent administration, and closing GITMO?

    Which other massive and colossal failure and bad idea are you a fan? I’m just dying to know…

  • 475. poolman  |  June 26, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    “There is nothing Obama can do about Afghanistan and he knows it. He talked about reconciliation with the Talibs. The UN will take the names off the terrorist list. In one stroke the terrorists will once again become allies–sitting on a peace table put together by Germany.”

    The world knows that the Talibs have won the war. All the US can do is try to hide its defeat by blaming Pakistan. The entire region wonders what the war was all about it. As Imran Khan says “the Americans left the mess, and we were left to clean it up’. This time around it will be up to the region to clean up the mess again. Obama tells the world a bankrupt America “has no money for reconstruction”. Obama tells the voters in 2012 “it is time to focus on nation-building here at home.” He brilliantly disarmed his biggest Republican opponent General Petraeus by giving him the CIA–just like he eliminated opposition from the Clinton lovers in the Democratic party by including her in his administration.

  • 476. El Tigre  |  June 26, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Yeah. Brilliance. :roll:

  • 477. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 26, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    I am done here for the night because FN’s double talk is giving me a friggen headache.

    She compares executive experience between candidates—then claims it isn’t important to her.

    She claims she isn’t set on the idea of Obama getting re-elected—then admits she is all in for his agenda.

    Then she wraps it all up by throwing a little pity party for Obama because his campaign mouth couldn’t live up to reality, just like we all said before the MOFO was elected.

    But it’s OK, because he has charisma……

  • 478. Rutherford  |  June 26, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    I’m smack in the middle of moving to a hotel so I can only comment once tonight. Will be on again tomorrow …

    Whoever thinks the White House WANTS to run against Huntsman doesn’t know what they are talking about. The White House wants to run against Bachmann or maybe Perry as a close second. Huntsman would actually be their worst nightmare …. a polite, intelligent guy with checkmarks next to most of the conservative litmus test items.

    By the way, to follow up on the meme of Pfesser …. Huntsman actually speaks Mandarin … rather than being an ignorant American who thinks everybody should speak English when dealing with Americans.

    By the way, I’m back home after checking into the hotel … the hotel sucks. I am going to lose my mind for the next 30 days. You guys may be the only thing between me and a loaded gun!!!! :evil:

  • 479. textaylor  |  June 26, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Now I’m absolutely sure Rick Perry needs to run, if Rubio, Christy or Ryan aren’t going to:

    Whoever thinks the White House WANTS to run against Huntsman doesn’t know what they are talking about. The White House wants to run against Bachmann or maybe Perry as a close second. Huntsman would actually be their worst nightmare …. a polite, intelligent guy with checkmarks next to most of the conservative litmus test items.

    As we documented above, Huntsman is Harry Reid light, MSNBC choice, was a supporter of both Reid and Cap & Trade, and is a trust fund baby who happened to run a state adequately during a boom. Big deal and no thanks. I personally think about anybody can beat Obama that can string two sentences together. He’s as popular as the Clap in most America – you shills in CT, NY, IL, and CA just don’t know it yet. Wait until the market drops like a rock – you’ll be lucky if Bongo makes it until next November.

    RINO’s are no win for the Republican party, America, or anybody that isn’t a sponge and has kids – Huntsman will only slow the American demise…

    Personally, I would like to see Perry run, win and move Wall Street to Texas. :smile: Now that would be sweet to watch Manhattan fold tent and dry up. We’ll see how 2,000 for a roach infested apartment of 500sq ft goes over then. Not only would Wall Street be run far better, but the corruption for white collar crooks would be Hunstville and barbed wire, instead of Smith & Wollensky Steak House.

    While we are at it, we’ll move the space shuttle to Houston where it belonged in the first place before O’Bama allowed it to be bought off.

  • 480. fakename2  |  June 26, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Alfie, re 471. That comment is way too reasonable for this blog.
    R…I’ve been worried about you. Don’t even joke about loaded guns. You can do this.

  • 481. dead rabbit  |  June 26, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Of all places, Rutherford, why this place?

    Bates Motel

  • 482. textaylor  |  June 26, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Rabbit, :lol:

    Come on Lawson! Couldn’t you have splurged a little Norman and gotten yourself something like Slick Willie’s pad?

  • 483. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 27, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Yeah Alfie, I am well aware. I still live on the same planet as you and fake.

    It was a rhetorical question that I kept asking because nobody seemed to be interested in answering it. I get tired of democrats pointing and laughing with the claim that we can’t find anyone better than Obama when it is painfully obvious that they can’t, either. I see now that FN does indeed have bigger balls than Rutherford, who still has yet to name a democrat woman who meets the standards he sets for GOP women.

    All I can say is…if Barack Obama is the best politician we have in America….then this 235-year experiment of ours has proven to be a failure.

  • 484. dead rabbit  |  June 27, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    I’ve been working on my FOREX practice account. Holy shit, that’s where the action is.

  • 485. poolman  |  June 27, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Personally, I would like to see Perry run, win and move Wall Street to Texas.

    Perry? That dude is a real Trojan horse. He makes like he is for freedoms and small government, then he kills his own legislation after he gets all the “good” publicity. Research what he just did in his latest TSA rant.

    What do you really expect from Al Gore’s former campaign chairman? You folks are so gullible!

  • 486. Rutherford  |  June 27, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Huck you have predicted the topic of my next post. :-)

  • 487. Tex Taylor  |  June 27, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    You folks are so gullible!

    You, you are calling us gullible? ** GUFFAW ** Poolman, you’re only funny when you’re trying to be serious.

    I know a lot of Texans, have family that are Texans, my wife works in Texas, I grew up in and around Texans, and now at least one child will be a Texan with no intention of coming back because she loves Texas.

    Poolman – whatever you are, you are no Texan.

    The latest TSA rant is back on board, by the way.

    http://visiontoamerica.org/1741/texas-no-grope-bill-back-on/

  • 488. Tex Taylor  |  June 27, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    Would you guys think less of my character if I admitted I woke this morning hoping to read the headlines:

    Hugo Chavez dies in Cuba Hospital…
    :?:

  • 489. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 27, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Funny how the tune has changed.

    In 2009, democrats were all about “I won,” when they told the opposition to kiss their asses and lectured America about how elections have consequences.

    In 2010, democrats took their private party behind closed doors to “negotiate” the nation’s health care “reform.” Again, the GOP was told to kiss off.

    What are we hearing in 2011?

    If everyone is willing to abandon the ‘my way or the highway approach’ … we can get a significant deal this year.”

    To which I would like the GOP to say….”FUCK OFF, WE WON!”

  • 490. Rutherford  |  June 27, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    FN, don’t worry. The “loaded gun” comment was strictly black humor (no wise cracks from the peanut gallery). At my most miserable I have my wife to tell me to grow the hell up. :-)

  • 491. Rutherford  |  June 27, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    I see Tex spent the good part of the Christian day of worship yesterday playing Hannibal Lecter again. It’s fortunate that FN is willing to play his Clarice Starling. :-)

  • 492. Rutherford  |  June 27, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    I just LOVE a couple of you laughing at Utah. The same bunch of hucking fypocrites who claimed Palin’s leadership of the footnote state Alaska meant something. Damn, you boys keep me entertained! :-)

  • 493. Rutherford  |  June 27, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Rabbit you tickle me to no end. You are either gonna wind up rich enough to buy and sell the rest of us or you’ll be sharing a “suite” with Bernie Madoff. ;-)

  • 494. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 27, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    OK, let’s play another game.

    Which idiot is the idiot Obama going to run with?

  • 495. El Tigre  |  June 27, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    R said, “Huck you have predicted the topic of my next post.”

    I thought you were going to do something bout islamaphobia. (See #353).

    Well since you’re staying Hotel Hell, I guess all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. Hopefully you’ll have time for both posts in between butcherings.

  • 496. Tex Taylor  |  June 27, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Flake is more Joyless Behar than Clarice Starling. Completely harmless and void. It’s like picking on the neighborhood hussy who talks to her plants.

    Matter of fact, La Fakester has been psychoanalyzing me, but took the post down. It was a good one too. I realized then something traumatic must have happened to the drama queen, with this woman living in fear of her shadow. If Ms. Flake hadn’t returned to so hateful last week, I was going to cut her some slack.

    It’s almost worth the trip next week to drive over a 100 miles to Tallahassee and look her up to say, “Boo!” :smile: But I’m scared she’d die on the spot. Can you imagine the posts, though?

  • 497. Rutherford  |  June 27, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    You pay good attention Grasshopper –eh Tigre. I’m being ambitious this week and have two posts planned.

  • 498. Tex Taylor  |  June 27, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Rutherford, did you get an ironing board and dish soap with your room? How about some of those wooden hangers with splinters? Any of those delicious continental breakfasts? Kids like them – parents not so much. I always did want to try to toast my pop ups with an iron like the commercial. :lol:

    Unfortunately, just about the time you need me most to pass the boring days of Oprah reruns, I’m going to have to duck out on you for awhile.

    You storing all your stuff while making the big move?

    I’m giving you a hard time, naturally. But I’m actually rooting for you sport – even if you don’t believe me. I hope you and your Mrs. get a fresh start, make a killing, can relax, and that your little beauty enjoys her new schools. I might need to borrow some money from you soon.

    I think you’ll be so happy in sixteen months, we’ll be reading Red State News here and Obama will be persona non grata.

    And if it doesn’t work out completely, you can bunk up with me. Lord knows I need a mission. Hell, I might have to look for a job soon I’m getting so desperate. I suddenly realized while making some massive bill payment today that I can’t afford to replace my recliner at this minute. Now that really is a bummer.

  • 499. Tex Taylor  |  June 27, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    I don’t know what tickles me more. Huck’s new gravatar, or the fact The Blago guilty of 17 charges.

    I’ve never rooted for a complete criminal so hard.

  • 500. textaylor  |  June 27, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Though Rutherford not a complete libtard, say along the lines of Yeller Dawg or Graychin, or to a lesser extent religious bigots Flake and Pfesser left’s leanings, I did a little research today about the announcement we are now apparently in a hurricane lull.

    Recent historically low global tropical cyclone

    http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/

    Now Rutherford, you do on occasion like to revert back to proudly wearing the dunce cap and have on occasion mentioned “how do we know about Global Warming? – Even using the question to demonstrate us “fundamentalists” lack of scientific expertise and low sloped forehead.

    So, after a touch of research, I found this beauty from NASA from 14 years ago, April 197, predicting a higher occurrence of hurricanes due to global warming.

    AGW is after all, the pet creation of one Albert Gore and his sidekick, James Hansen of NASA.

    The expected buildup of atmospheric “greenhouse” gases, such as carbon dioxide and methane, will likely increase ocean temperatures as well as the area of ocean surface water warmer than 26°C. It is therefore possible that hurricanes will become more frequent and/or more intense in future decades.

    Whoopsie. Another Lefty prediction gone astray. :sad:

    http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/druyan_02/

  • 501. Rutherford  |  June 27, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Unfortunately, just about the time you need me most to pass the boring days of Oprah reruns, I’m going to have to duck out on you for awhile.

    Seriously, are you really visiting Florida?

    The hotel is not so bad if you’re staying one night or two but we plan to be here a month. Yikes. Movers packed today. They load on Wednesday …. grrrrrrrrrr a day later than the original plan. :-(

    I may also be having more typos in my comments than usual because this desk and chair don’t fit together very well so my typing posture sucks.

    As for climate change, something is amiss when I don’t get any Spring at all …. straight from Winter to Summer. The debate becomes tiresome when non-scientists who don’t have a clue argue with other non-scientists who don’t have a clue. Like evolution, there is probably more right with climate change theory than wrong with it.

  • 502. textaylor  |  June 27, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    This should be wrapped around the neck of Obama, with the noose tightened significantly – starting right now.

    The results are the latest sign of dissatisfaction with the dollar as a reserve currency, amid concerns over the US government’s inability to rein in spending and the Federal Reserve’s huge expansion of its balance sheet.

    “Right now there is great concern out there around the financial trajectory that the US is on,” said Larry Hatheway, chief economist at UBS.

    The US currency has slid 5 per cent so far this year, and is trading close to its lowest ever level against a basket of the world’s major currencies.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/23183a78-a0c6-11e0-b14e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1QW3szlTm

    Still think The One’s a shoo in Rutherford? Not if they listen to me he isn’t.

  • 503. textaylor  |  June 27, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Like evolution, there is probably more right with climate change theory than wrong with it.

    Denial until the end. That’s why I love you man, in a manly kind of way, of course – depends on what the word is, is and I voted for it before I voted against it. Your winter – summer is called La Nina.

    ——–

    Yeah, I’ll be off the board for a few days driving down to Florida to see FakeName2. :smile: Can you imagine her surprise when I show up her porch with cheap wine and flowers in hand?

    Actually, we are reaping vacations we can’t afford, being we won’t be seeing daughter #1 for the next four years of med school, summers included.

    The kid is so used to work and school and lab and and and, that this sitting around all summer at my wife’s apartment resting up is about to drive the kid insane. Eldest daughter doesn’t even have internet access. She reads 10 hours a day. Daughter moves into a very nice townhouse July 15th near her boyfriend and near the med school, so we thought we would take advantage of her last two free weeks and take a family vacation with other extended family members (18 people total). Trust me, this will be no Hawaii fanfare. A thousand mile drive at $4.00 a gallon doesn’t exactly float my boat either.

  • 504. El Tigre  |  June 27, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    “Like evolution, there is probably more right with climate change theory than wrong with it.” :lol: :lol:

    You’re hopeless Rutherford!

  • 505. poolman  |  June 27, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Poolman – whatever you are, you are no Texan.

    Very true. And by choice, I might add. I did marry a Texan and we’ve been married over 34 years. My daughters were born in Texas. My 52 year old (younger brother) still lives in Plano and has lived in Texas continually for the past 36 years. I spent over 21 years of my life in Texas, so I do KNOW Texas. And I know Rick Perry is a politician, without concern for the average citizen, Texan or otherwise.

    How many of your heroes are wolves in sheep’s clothing? These guys switch sides like we change underwear. It’s like professional sports, only with less teams. In the end, there are no winners. We all lose.

  • 506. textaylor  |  June 27, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    spent over 21 years of my life in Texas, so I do KNOW Texas. And I know Rick Perry is a politician, without concern for the average citizen, Texan or otherwise.

    Undoubtedly, you don’t know Texas.

    For instance, you may not have noticed that Perry has won three consecutive terms, and beat a popular, standing Senator by a substantial margin in the primary, then beat a very popular mayor by a substantial margin last year for governorship.

    You also may not have noticed that Texas leads the nation in jobs created by a long shot and still has no state income tax.

    You may not have noticed that the Gulf is making huge gains in port tonnage, while California is losing their shirts.

    Hopefully, the drought will pass which is effecting all of the South. Hell, the heat index was 111 here today. That’s hot for June. And your old stomping grounds out in West Texas? 116 in the shade at Childress yesterday. You could move from Phoenix back to Texas and burn up.

    Now, I’ll grant Perry is the consummate Republican politician – pretty, well educated, well to do. But he’s also done a damn good job for the state. You had no problem with O’Bama being the ultimate political shill in 2008 when you helped elect him President.

    P.S. – Plano is the most plastic place in Texas and they’ve practically ruined Dallas, which I used to consider America’s most livable big city. Some of the outlining areas are still okay. But I have gotten to where I really like San Antonio, Longview and parts of Houston (minus the traffic).

    How in the hell did you end up in the desert? :smile: Did you tell me and I forgot?

  • 507. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 27, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    “Like evolution, there is probably more right with climate change theory than wrong with it.

    Just as soon as you can fill up the gaps in that fossil record to prove it, right? And you mock my</i< faith…

  • 508. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 27, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    “Like evolution, there is probably more right with climate change theory than wrong with it.

    Just as soon as you can fill up the gaps in that fossil record to prove it, right? And you mock my faith…

  • 509. pfesser53  |  June 27, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    “Just as soon as you can fill up the gaps in that fossil record to prove it, right?”

    What gaps would that be?

  • 510. pfesser53  |  June 27, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    I actually really like your god. He is such a joker! Putting all those fossil records exactly in the order that evolution predicted, just to fool us! And then making those nuclides decay exactly right to make it seem like we can date those fossils accurately! What a card! Sure fooled us, by gosh! And then, when there seems to be a plant or animal missing, there it is – exactly in the place predicted. And then allowing bacteria to mutate so rapidly that we can actually observe that false doctrine called evolution as it actually happens!

    A regular George Carlin, all right.

  • 511. poolman  |  June 27, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    Tex, the temp display in my truck mirror coming back from Rio Verde a couple hours ago read 117. It’s just a dry heat… kind of like a torch. Officially we are at 113 right now with a high expected at 115.

    Water and shade. Those are the most valuable commodities in this environment. Gas is at 3.31 right now. Summertime is usually just locals and passers through around here. There are still a lot of roofers here from across the nation capitalizing on the hail we had last October. Now that’s a job that really sucks this time of year, IMHO.

  • 512. textaylor  |  June 27, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    I actually really like your god. He is such a joker! Putting all those fossil records exactly in the order that evolution predicted, just to fool us!

    And I assume you’ll be giving us directions to see that fossil record too, hey? I want to see that fossil record – which I consider a jumbled mess. Especially the simian human leap…. :wink: Where is the 20,000 year old human skeletons that I might view? That ought to be the very easiest one to demonstrate. How about a 15,000 year old skeleton. Surely, they could come up with one or two complete ones? I never have seen it and would like to. Problem is, just like the article I lent you to bring you into the 21st century, that is not what the genetics says.

    So I have a couple of questions for our resident medical and biology expert:

    I would like you to answer for me doctor is why is porcine MHC apparently more compatible than simian MHC with humans, being that’s the most conserved gene of your the “theory.” Isn’t that backward, being simians our closest living relatives?

    I’ll assume we are an incredibly close ancestor to the piggies too? Where’s the fossil record for that?

    I got a couple of troubling questions for you doc, off the Darwinian record, of course and into the molecular biology world. How did “evolution” construct that neat error checking routine that DNA does? Or how did “evolution” manage the incredibly complex cell cycle? How did DNA evolve from RNA, and then “evolve” into mitosis Why not simple fission? How about autocrine and paracrine cells? How did they evolve? Why are some cells are permanently arrested in G1 interphase once they are created, but others aren’t? Funny how we are marked for death or left in disrepair. Wouldn’t evolution overcome this gaffe too being self preservation a necessary requirement? The shortening of telomeres? Why did evolution require mitosis to have a primer? That’s pretty cool randomness, but sure is a bad break that apparently it didn’t evolve to overcome these shortcomings.

    Now before you give me the typical horseshit line so popular with “there is no God crowd and the ReBiblicans…but but but but that’s not Darwinian evolution”, oh it most certainly is. We don’t call it “ORIGIN” of Species for Nothing and you certainly base your explanations of there being no God on that fact. Your evolutionary theory hangs in the balance of the cellular evolution, being that is the very essence of biology. The cell.

    Though no IDer, they do ask a question nobody can seem to answer concerning this irreducible complexity. Somehow, while they are cast of as “Creationists”, nobody has ever been able to answer that to anyone’s satisfaction. Why?

  • 513. textaylor  |  June 27, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Poolman, as only people who have experienced 100+ heat such as yourself know, this “theory” of dry heat? Always made me laugh.

    I always tell people try West Texas or Phoenix if you think low humidity and 100+ temperatures feels comfortable. You’ll be begging for air conditioning.

    Blowtorch is right if that is what your gauge was reading.

  • 514. pfesser53  |  June 27, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Tex –

    Nice try at the red herring, but no dice. I will even, for the sake of argument, stipulate everything you bring up as an objection to evolution as true. (It’s not.) But just because a theory does not explain 100% of everything does not mean it is not true. It’s like everything else – when you investigate the unknown you do not know what you will find. That is the whole premise and purpose of science: to investigate the unknown. And yep, there are still things that are unexplained, but they are fewer and fewer every day, and eventually they will All be gone.

    But the real power of evolution is that, when the explanations are found, they fit in perfectly with the theory after all, strengthening it. No need to explain away contradictions as being just magic.

  • 515. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 27, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Sounds like someone either never read Thomas Kuhn’s The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, or failed to grok what they read.

    But just because a theory does not explain 100% of everything does not mean it is not true.

    So very true! That’s why I’m waiting for the return of the theory of pholgiston and Lamarkianism to make their comebacks!

  • 516. poolman  |  June 27, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    There were two stories last week that illustrate
    just how bad the situation has become in the wake of the virtual capitulation by President Barack Obama during Netanyahu’s triumphal May visit to Washington, the first time in recorded history that a small nation with less than eight million citizens has subjugated a much larger country with a population of more than 310 million.

    No man can serve two masters.

    Americans have to make a hard decision on what kind of country they want to have. If they want a state shaped by a holy book and guided by the venal and hypocritical they can have it and it will turn out something like the Muslim equivalents in Iran and Saudi Arabia. Thought and moral guidance police on every corner with mandatory prayer services. Or we can opt to throw all this nonsense into the garbage where it belongs. Make Ralph Reed and his cheering Israel firsters go away or emigrate to Israel if that is their wont. We can make do without them.

    Amen to that!

  • 517. textaylor  |  June 27, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    Red Herring? :lol: That deflection drips with pure progressive idiocy worthy of Fat Grannies gold medal.

    I just blasted about ten holes in your ‘religion’ as fast as my fingers could type, and that was only for starters. I haven’t even gotten to the toughies yet, because we never get past these “trite” problems you can’t begin to explain.

    And your only answer is just because the theory doesn’t explain “everything”, doesn’t mean it isn’t true? Well, what does it mean? You didn’t even make the attempt to answer one damn question. Apparently your pet theory didn’t answer “anything.”

    That’s the best you can do? An inappropriate use to the analogy of the tiresome logical fallacy? Come on doctor, you can do better than that. That wasn’t even worthy of the old academic try.

    At least give me directions to the ‘fossils’ so I can take a look for myself. Where is one 15,000 year old homo sapiens skeleton. I need a little convincing here.

    —-

    Why don’t you just admit Pfesser, it is you that is in the minority, it is you on the lunatic fringe of believing there is no God? That’s the the real argument here. Not science Just this weekend, I watched a broadcast of a “Christian” man sitting in a Dallas church that I would assume you think a Reblibican and a lesser being – who just happens to be the Father of Aerobics Kenneth Cooper, MD.

    Now I can understand you thinking you’re a hell of a lot smarter than I am, and perhaps intellectually you are. Who knows. That much I get. But this baloney about Rebiblicans? This mealy mouthing you do from one blog to the next? Were is the consistency? Where is the conviction? I do hope you recognize that there are some God fearing people a heck of a lot more capable than either one of us?

    ———–

    It’s not that I don’t understand evolution Pfesser. It’s not that I don’t believe it either, though to a much smaller degree than you do. It just doesn’t come close to explaining what you so desperately want it to.

    It’s not “Reblibicans” Pfesser who “don’t get it.” It’s you..

  • 518. textaylor  |  June 27, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Rutherford? I know you’re a fan of Bill Maher and have even denied the bias in the media. Bet Pfesser is too and does too. Let me provide for you a demonstration of just how stupid Bill and his friends are. You sure you want hitch your wagon to this?

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/06/24/nyts_david_carr_middle_places_home_of_low_sloping_foreheads.html

    P.S. – two questions for you. Did you know the maggot that made that statement is a former crackhead who blew men in alleys for his fix? And did you see one guest correct the idiot, or even make mention that was none too smart? That’s your fellow crowd “R”. I know you better than that, but this is what you are tied at the hip to politically and a fan of.

  • 520. dead rabbit  |  June 28, 2011 at 12:16 am

    Lamarckism’s dead!

    FUCK!

    >>> the Rabbit angrily throws his book “Intro to Lamarckism: The End all Be All” against his musty basement’s wall.

  • 521. dead rabbit  |  June 28, 2011 at 12:17 am

    I’d be screwed without Wikipedia.

  • 522. textaylor  |  June 28, 2011 at 12:26 am

    Sigh. To counteract Poolman’s vicious propaganda from a known Jew hater, whose been busted many a time for insidious lies, thought I’d provide a dose of reality about what is really happening in the Middle East:

    Sensing the revolution that overthrew President Hosni Mubarak is slipping from their grasp, activists and opposition groups are pressuring the ruling military council to postpone Egypt’s elections in September amid fears that Islamists and members of the former regime will gain too much power.. . . The pressing concern among independents and secularists is that the Brotherhood, the nation’s largest and best-organized party, may win about 25% of the seats in parliament and control even more through a coalition. This could give the organization the power to infuse the new constitution with conservative Islamic ideals to limit rights for women and non-Muslims.

    “The Brotherhood is tyrannical in its opinions and views, and I think they will take the side of the Islamist businessmen who fund it and have strict Islamic ideologies,” said Khalid Sayed, a member of the Jan. 25 Youth Coalition. “Whatever constitution they might form would not fulfill the demands of Egyptians for civil rights and democracy.”

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-egypt-political-battle-20110627,0,4462222.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fnews%2Fnationworld%2Fworld+%28L.A.+Times+-+World+News%29

    Going to get really ugly in the Middle East soon…

  • 523. dead rabbit  |  June 28, 2011 at 12:44 am

    I’m down 300 bucks already this week and I seem more interested in my “fake money” in the FOREX.

    Tex, throw me a decent ETF to park a fist full of cash for a month or two. The stink beetle is going into hibernation.

    Either that or I should start snatching more coins.

    I’m telling you my lords, the FORX is where you want to be when hell hits. Look at the debt. This entire world market is dying from the inside. The Dollar is King without any sons. And the King is slowly being poisoned by Obama and his Wall-street buddies.

    I am going to learn everything I know about the currency market.

    I have no clue if it will reap profit. But, this time I’m not going to be some passive Sambo, clueless about the icebergs directly at 12 o’clock.

    Hopefully, I will have everything prepared to get Billy Zane on your asses for a life boat when she sinks.

  • 524. poolman  |  June 28, 2011 at 1:00 am

    Vicious propaganda, my ass. You know who you worship. It’s no secret who your masters are. You let them piss all over you and call it a spring shower.

    When Netanyahu arrived in America, he came to a country where the top celebrities were Lady Gaga, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann. He knows a freak show when he sees one.

  • 525. textaylor  |  June 28, 2011 at 1:01 am

    How big are the balls Rabbit? I’m still long in oil & gas and emerging markets. Held the gold (SPDR).

    But I have no idea the next 90 days. If I were a rich man, I’d be shorting the indexes right now. :smile:

  • 526. poolman  |  June 28, 2011 at 1:03 am

    http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/masturbation_the_typing_requirement_20110623/

    I think this guy and dead rabbit ought to have a conversation. Aside from the Jesus slam (it was really more about His followers), this cracked me up.

  • 527. textaylor  |  June 28, 2011 at 1:03 am

    Poolman, you know how you called it wrong about luxury items (pools) in a falling housing market? That wasn’t your worst call.

    But you keep betting on those moderate Muslims (until they split your buttocks in quarters).

  • 528. dead rabbit  |  June 28, 2011 at 1:06 am

    My balls have elephantiasis.

    I could throw my cash on one of those inverse ETF’s that short the market.

  • 529. poolman  |  June 28, 2011 at 1:21 am

    Here Tex. This ought to keep you up at night.

    The Muslim population is growing at about twice the rate of the Non-Muslim population over the next twenty years. This describes an average annual growth rate of 1.5% for Muslims. This compares with 0.7% for non-Muslims. Muslims will make up “26.4% of the world’s total projected population of 8.3 billion in 2030, up from 23.4% of the estimated 2010 world population of 6.9 billion”.

    http://rupeenews.com/?p=37282

  • 530. Tex Taylor  |  June 28, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Doesn’t keep me up a bit Poolman. Whatever will be, will be. I never worry about things I have no control over.

    You have mistakenly interpreted my commentary of defending Israeli Jews as a hatred of all Muslims – I just hate the ones trying to kill my children. Most Muslims I’ve met are quite friendly and hospitable, as is the trait of the Middle Eastern lifestyle.

    I figure those trying to kill us makes up probably 20% of the Muslim population, best guess. Still, that’s a country the size of the U.S. that would slit your throat given the chance.

    I just find you either woefully ignorant or inherently evil and a kook about a great many things. Either way, you’re still on the wrong side and your judgment lacking.

  • 531. Tex Taylor  |  June 28, 2011 at 10:07 am

    My balls have elephantiasis.

    :lol: Rabbit, I’m glad you’re on my side. Crazy and fearless – the world could use more of your type. :lol:

    Hit those emerging market growth funds then. Morningstar lists them with the annual returns someplace. Pick one. Some of those things have well over 100% returns so far this year.

    Of course, you could play contrarian in your investing and pick the funds currently out of favor, or have showed the greatest loss – then hold on to your hat.

  • 532. Tex Taylor  |  June 28, 2011 at 10:56 am

    An ego beyond Obama – I didn’t think it possible.

    No shame and world class putz.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/weiner_horning_in_on_successor_race_db5j2oNbSOWOMJSgzvrjcO

  • 533. dead rabbit  |  June 28, 2011 at 11:16 am

    I ended up buying a Cisco call option. Stink beetle can’t hibernate when a ball of shit rolls right into his nest.

  • 534. Tex Taylor  |  June 28, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Bought 100 shares of CISCO in or around 1996/1997 Rabbit. Split twice, made great money on the sale of the first 200 shares at $77.00. Kept 200 and sold them at about $21.00 a share sometime back. :mad:

    Though it hasn’t been worth a crap for several years now, it still was one of the better stock picks I made during the dot.com bubble.

  • 535. dead rabbit  |  June 28, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Yeah, they certainly have problems, right now. Their CEO needs to go. He’s had his day in the sun. Lack of focus and shitty use of a very qualified middle management itching to fix things.

    I’m predicting a spike in the price. I expect an announcement declaring lay offs soon.

    One of CSCO’s problems is the communist corporate income tax in this country. Talk about being flush with cash just itching to enter America.

    These leftist shemp’s need to understand that they would probably get more money for their abortion factories if they just cut the corporate tax rate in half (we still would be high as fuck)

  • 536. dead rabbit  |  June 28, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    “I’m predicting a spike in the price. I expect an announcement declaring lay offs soon.”-Dead Rabbit

    I mean come on Tex, that stock has been labeled “Buy” by the Dead Rabbit. You pretty much have to throw down 10 grand on it, don’t you?

  • 537. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 28, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    “These leftist shemp’s need to understand that they would probably get more money for their abortion factories if they just cut the corporate tax rate in half (we still would be high as fuck)”

    Ain’t gonna happen. Lefties don’t believe in the Laffer Curve, even though it has proven itself multiple times. They point to “other factors involved” any time you show them an example of it working. Yet, somehow, it is never “other factors involved” any time they show examples of its failure.

    I have had that discussion more times than I care to count over the last year of grad school.

  • 538. Tex Taylor  |  June 28, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Laffer Curve? That old thing? Bah, there’s no need for analysis.

    Shoot, Lefties don’t understand the national credit card is maxed, or that corporations aren’t black holes of freebies, or that printing ‘free’ money carries a huge cost. Forget trying to explain something requiring basic calculus and the law of diminishing returns Huck.

    Lefties still haven’t determined if $260,000.00 of debt per family of four is a good thing or bad thing. They just understand two principles – they need more of your money, and the more government, the better.

  • 539. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 28, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    On a similar note…I am nervously excited about the econ 600 seminar I am doing in the fall. 600 is a big jump from 102…lol!

  • 540. MuffyMcD  |  June 28, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    “Stink beetle can’t hibernate when a ball of shit rolls right into his nest. -rabbit

    Hahahaha. Rabbit are you taking clients yet? Lemme know.

    FN2 – I agree with you about Romney. Listening to him gives me the sensation of slowly settling to the bottom of the ocean. He is Mr. Blah.

    “Therefore, I’m throwing my support behind Michele Bachmann. -FN2

    I watched something with her on it this morning – oh yeah, that idiotfest Fox and Friends – and (somewhat to my surprise) I found her rather appealing! I’m cursed/blessed with the most selective memory ever so I do’t remember her gaffes in detail, but even so – she didn’t sound so dumb to me. She kept me from switching channels for all the while she was on. Albeit that I was a confined audience there on my exercise bike but nonetheless…

    I would rather listen to her than the President. I really would.

    I hope we elect a female president soon. That would be cool. I hope she’s good-looking too. That’s been one nice thing about President Obama. He’s very cute. (I’m only half kidding.)

    But I really hope it (female president) happens in my lifetime. I hate to say it but at this point I’m even for experimentation as motive.

    In fact, California can be the drug war vs legalizing drugs (just pot) experiment. Cali can be the immigration free-for-all too while Texas tries out some reform. Mass can be the HCR bill experiment while I’ll volunteer to live in the state where Ryan gets to try his ideas out.

    Washington can become one big experiment – flat tax, term limits, female president, a lobby-free zone for a year.

    I’m feeling reckless. I might even quit working.

    Wow – 3 month vaycay for the SCOTUS. Nice…

  • 541. Hucking Fypocrites  |  June 28, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    “Cali can be the immigration free-for-all too…”

    Can be?

    I think you’re a little late.

  • 542. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 28, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Racist. Every. Last. One. Of. You.

    (There, I took away one of Rutherford’s potential blog posts.)

  • 543. Tex Taylor  |  June 28, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Since I read where Obama’s now selling out the Whitehouse staff including the chef for food tasting donations, it once again things are getting a little more desperate for Libdom and the Neo Pagans…

    I figure it’s time to stroke out (1) A denigrating Sarah Palin Post; (2) A minimizing and degrading Palin Kid’s post; (3) A Michelle Bachmann is stupid post; (4) The Republican’s are in Dire Straits Post; (5) The threat of Christian Theocracy in America Post.

  • 544. Tex Taylor  |  June 28, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Should have been a ‘desperate’ in there someplace. Whoops…

  • 545. Tex Taylor  |  June 28, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Uh oh. There was a desperate in there? Make that demonstrate.

    I’m really just trying to drive up the comment count so that Rutherford gets a jolly from how popular he has become.

  • 546. Tex Taylor  |  June 28, 2011 at 4:56 pm

  • 547. Rutherford  |  June 28, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Could I ask a favor? Whenever anyone quotes all the jobs created in Texas could you please also mention that Texas is up to its eyeballs in debt?

    Thank you.

  • 548. Tex Taylor  |  June 28, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    Could I ask a favor? Whenever anyone quotes all the jobs created in Texas could you please also mention that Texas is up to its eyeballs in debt?

    Thank you.

    Sure. As I’ll remind you of this…

    Forbes magazine did an analysis of the debt of every state and found that Texas has the fourth best overall situation in the country, behind only Nebraska, New Hampshire, and Utah.

    “Anyway, Texas has 1/6th the debt per capita of New York, 1/7th of New Jersey, 1/8th of Massachusetts, 1/9th of Connecticut.”

    “Now, let’s not forget that S&P just gave Texas government bonds an AA‑plus rating, said the state’s economy will likely recover quickly than other states. Texas is now the number two largest economy, passing, you guessed it, MSNBC’s New York.

    Buwahahahahaha….

    Anything else you want to add about “up to its eyeballs in debt” Connecticut?

  • 549. Rutherford  |  June 28, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    Tex, I don’t know David Carr’s background but I admit he did look a bit odd. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn he was an ex junkie.

  • 550. Tex Taylor  |  June 28, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Wouldn’t be surprised? He’s a self-admitted ex-junkie who blew boys for a fix.

    Perfect for the Bill Maher show. :wink:

  • 551. Rutherford  |  June 28, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    I would rather listen to [Michele Bachmann] than the President. I really would.

    Muffy, that is like saying I prefer comedy to drama.

    Bachmann’s latest gaffe … she confused the home of John Wayne Gacy (serial killer) with the birthplace of John Wayne (actor). She’s a walking historical (hysterical) malapropism. And yes, she makes Obama’s “corpseman” and “57 states” look like genius.

    The funny thing is that the network to most recently insult Ms. Bachmann was none other than Fox. Chris Wallace called her and apologized. :-)

  • 552. Tex Taylor  |  June 28, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Rutherford, do you even remotely understand how unseemly your candidate for President has become? An educated man like you should be aghast at this horse’s ass sitting in the White House and that buffoon for V.P. that has become a punch line. We could elect Poolman for President with Sensico as his 2nd in command and experience less shame and better management.

    A pimped raffle for $5.00 a ticket to eat dinner with Bo and Joe? WTF is that? I didn’t think anything could surpass cash for clunkers in inanity, but this takes the cake.

    This bozo should lose the election by 30 points for this whoring idea alone. And you mocked Bush for his ideas?

  • 553. Tex Taylor  |  June 28, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    Bachmann’s latest gaffe … she confused the home of John Wayne Gacy (serial killer) with the birthplace of John Wayne (actor). She’s a walking historical (hysterical) malapropism. And yes, she makes Obama’s “corpseman” and “57 states” look like genius.

    Oh bullshit. Obama a complete and utter fool – a facade created by rank propagandists like you, preying on stupid and helpless people with promises he never had intention of keeping and couldn’t if he tried. Barack Obama is a poorly read dunce, completely in over his head, lied about his record, and anybody with half a brain and one ounce of honesty knows it.

    Quit lying and trying to lay cover for this sham Rutherford.

    Barack Hussein Obama is sick joke and I’ll guarantee you I could wipe the floor with Barack Obama in a debate.

  • 554. Rutherford  |  June 28, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Texas has the fourth best overall situation in the country

    Mmmmm I’ll have to research that one because I could’ve sworn I heard TX was one of the most in debt states in the nation. Perhaps it’s a matter of how the beans are being counted?

  • 555. Rutherford  |  June 28, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    I’ll guarantee you I could wipe the floor with Barack Obama in a debate.

    Shame that can’t happen cos I swear I’d pay to see it. :-)

    Regarding David Carr … this might sound borderline religious but knowing nothing about the man, I found him very odd when I watched him on the last Maher show the other day. Sometimes a man wears his history of sin on his face. The man had a degenerate look about him I must admit.

  • 556. Rutherford  |  June 28, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Speaking of degenerates … I am condemned in this hotel to watching CNN …. oh my God what utter boredom. I’d rather watch Fox! But I digress …. last night on CNN I caught Eliot Spitzer interviewing former NJ Governor Jim McGreevey and I had to chuckle. One ex-governor who resigned for being a whore-monger interviewing another ex-governor who resigned for being a homosexual. I had to think for a minute, no wonder the likes of Tex Taylor and BlackisWhite Imperial Consigliere think the world is going to hell in a handbasket! :lol:

  • 557. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 28, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    Going?

    BTW, this thread took longer to load than it took Obama to forge a birth certificate. Couldn’t you come up with a new post? It isn’t like we expect much in the content, but the comments aren’t so good as to justify this wait time…

  • 558. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 28, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    Maybe Spitzer can take the show to Blago, and have McGreevy give pointers on how he can be the most popular guy on the cell block.

    It will be a ratings bonanza…CNN might get a 1 share out of it.

  • 559. fakename2  |  June 28, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    Bachmann…I realize she was born there and only lived there until she was 12, however she would have been better off highlighting that both she and Radar from M.A.S.H. were from Waterloo. I lived in Iowa for 2 years and I think I learned in the first two seconds I lived there that John Wayne was born in Winterset. Iowans are very proud of that. They are also very well educated for the most part, even in rural areas, and very independent. I don’t think it will escape their notice that she confused a serial killer with one of their favorite sons. My prediction is that she’s doomed in Iowa. There are gaffes, and then there are gaffes…
    I am so amused that BiW wants you to do a new post. Please do, so that he and your other regular readers can twist and deflect it back to the same pet themes, regardless of your subject matter :)
    Sorry about that CNN thing in the Hotel From Hell. I’d rather watch Fox too.

  • 560. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  June 28, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    I don’t hijack R’s threads.

    I let other people do it, then I join in.

    Besides, you don’t think he gets hundreds of comments for the fiction he writes here, do you? Its the interplay, and the scintilating wits like yours that make me frequent this page, FN.

    Its all about the comments.

  • 561. fakename2  |  June 28, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    And credit to Muffy re: “that sensation of slowly sinking to the bottom of the ocean”. That completely cracked me up. He’s sort of Al Gore-ish.

  • 562. Rutherford  |  June 28, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Ah BiW, always with the compliments! :-)

  • 563. Rutherford  |  June 28, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    You got your wish BiW … a new post … have at it.

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