Iraq-Afghanistan Wars Verdict from Robert Gates

March 1, 2011 at 1:00 pm 309 comments

This is what Defense Secretary Robert Gates said about our invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan to a bunch of West Point cadets:

In my opinion, any future Defense Secretary who advises the President to again send a big American land army into Asia or into the Middle East or Africa should have his head examined.

The timing of this statement is fascinating in light of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld’s book just hitting the stands. Rummy has been all over the talk show circuit justifying his record.

So, how fast will conservatives throw Gates under the bus? Not an easy call, remember Gates is not “Obama’s man”. He was brought in by Bush. I can’t wait to see how the conservative pundocracy spins this one.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  • 1. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 1, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    I love how Rutherford and Butch are putting words into Gates’ mouth.

    I listened to the quote, and I didn’t hear the words Iraq or Afghanistan in any of it.

    This can just as easily be taken as him saying any future ventures would be ill-advised, while not passing an ounce of judgment on past ventures.

    Nice try….

  • 2. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    I don’t know. It stills seems like an irresponsible thing to say while we currently have guys in Asia.

    I saw on Drudge, the Pentagon is now entertaining the idea that the 2008 melt down was, in fact, a case of economic terrorism.

  • 3. El Tigre  |  March 1, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Rutherford, you really need to quit watching MSNBC. How many troops has Obama put in Afghanistan?

    If only this administration would engage in financial terrorism on our enemies rather than its constituency . . .

  • 4. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    “If only this administration would engage in financial terrorism on our enemies rather than its constituency . . .” Tigre

    Now that’s the spirit.

    Q2 sure is awesome for us working stiffs. What a great way to lower a little debt to the Chinks…by letting small businesses and the middle class un-proportionally feel some good old fashioned inflation.

    Print! Print!

    Meanwhile the debt weighs heavier on our sons, every day, every hour. Curse of Ham. Except we are not meat gazers, our sons not the Caanonites.

    Gas was going up before Count Duku (the human rights award winner) decided to use anti-aircraft on his people.

    I love how Rutherford somehow disconnects the President of the United States from his own wars, and Gitmo etc.

  • 5. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    By the way, you would think I should be working. But this is standardized testing week. 2 of us making 50 grand a year administer a test to ONE kid with a learning disability, as the law requires.

    He makes cool designs on his bubble sheet for a week straight and I sit and watch him.

  • 6. Rutherford  |  March 1, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    Rabbit, and to think all that time you coulda been working at Watson Research Center inventing a computer that could beat Ken Jennings at Jeopardy for a lot more than 50k.

    I don’t know about you but I don’t want a computer that mistakes Chicago for Toronto doing my medical diagnosis.

  • 7. poolman  |  March 1, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    That’s crazy, rabbit. But I tell you what, I’d rather help pay your salary for the good of helping even one person than paying one cent to a bankster who has wrecked the lives of millions. One ray of hope here: A republican senator in my state has put forth legislation that could halt much of these criminal foreclosures here in Arizona. When this begins to affect the leaders of this country, things start to get done. For most it is too late, but it is definitely going in the right direction.

  • 8. Rutherford  |  March 1, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    This can just as easily be taken as him saying any future ventures would be ill-advised, while not passing an ounce of judgment on past ventures.

    Mmmm, the past informs our opinion of the future. I doubt Gates just pulled that assessment out of his ass.

  • 9. Rutherford  |  March 1, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Rabbit, I DO see your point about the statement perhaps being reckless while we have boys abroad.

  • 10. Rutherford  |  March 1, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Who’s disconnecting Obama from the war? I’ve said repeatedly that I’m not fond of Obama’s foreign policy.

  • 11. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    So, out of curiosity, what are you fond of him for?

  • 12. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    By the way, the fact I even have to ask that is funny in its own right.

    Considering this is a blog that vehemently campaigned for the man…

    Remember those early days when you would post a video of every speech followed by a gushing endorsement?

    “This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius”

    I guess the Tea Party kind of dominated your life. But I can tell you have some regrets over your take on them now.

    Outside of Sara Palin and her evil tentacles that we even find manipulating a clinically insane college drop out to kill…you are kind of walking like a dazed zombie in the desert these days.

  • 13. poolman  |  March 1, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    I think we have over 130,000 troops in Afghanistan. That doesn’t count the privately contracted mercenaries. I think right now we are supposedly doing nation building. I think that is what Gates is getting at. Our nation building days are numbered. Our MIC will need to scale back and more effort will be given to airstrikes, intelligence, and smart weapons. Shock and awwww…

    Obama has no or very little control over the MIC. If you want them scaled back, cut their funding. Threaten it though, and we will likely have another 9/11 event. Pump up the terror, pump up the terror.

  • 14. El Tigre  |  March 1, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    “So, out of curiosity, what are you fond of him for?”

    Hey I asked that in his prior post. Waiting. . . waiting. . . waiting. . .

  • 15. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    “Obama has no or very little control over the MIC”

    Its time for a Werthers. So creamy, the toffee taste. Almost better then the case of Twinkies Hucking is going to send to Michigan very soon.

  • 16. El Tigre  |  March 1, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Rabbit, he’s trying to put the finishing touches on his denouncement of the let’s vitriolic rhetoric at the rallies in Wisconsin. Remember, the discussion that HAD to take place (when MSNBC was pimping their own b.s.)? Seems just like last month. . .

  • 17. El Tigre  |  March 1, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    “Left’s vtriolic. . .”

  • 18. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    I saw a drum circle the other day in Madison. Imagine how quick the old Pinkertons could disperse that crowd of pussies.

  • 19. Tex Taylor  |  March 1, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Q2 sure is awesome for us working stiffs. What a great way to lower a little debt to the Chinks

    Classic! :lol:

    I actually like Gates, and he did an outstanding job of leading Texas A&M, daughter #1’s Alma mater before leaving for the cesspool of Washington.

    But I do have a question. If we followed the Gates Doctrine, Saddam would own all of Kuwait and probably Saudi Arabia, UBL would still be flipping us the bird instead of dead or in hiding, Abu Nidal would still be alive, South Korea would not exist, and China would be called Japan.

    I suppose we could bomb entirely from the air and not worry about civilian casualties, but I thought it was the Left that was supposedly so concerned about the “poor, moderate” Muslims (cough cough).

    For me, there’s always the bright spot that if by chance the Left really does assume long-term authority of foreign policy, as the undoubtedly don’t have one now as indicated by their horrid and dangerous performance the last two years, at least Rachel Maddow will join me in having the noose put around her neck. We’ll be heading in different directions thereafter for a very, very long time. Snark away Butch – the scimitar awaits your ugly neck. :twisted:

  • 20. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Hey Tex, as maybe the last white boxing fan in America, I’ve been noticing Oklahoma has a ton of boxing cards. Has Oklahoma always been a big boxing state? Tulsa and Miami? seem to have boxing at least once a month. Must be a big Mexican population in Tulsa.

    Nothing better then taking a clean break from the corruption of politics to watch the…corrupt sport of boxing.

  • 21. Tex Taylor  |  March 1, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Tulsa has put out some pretty notable fighters back in the 70s and 80s like James “Quick” Tillis and Graychin’s stomping ground was home to Tommy Morrison, which is around the Miami area.

    To be honest, I haven’t been a boxing fan since the days of Sugar Ray and Marvelous Marvin Hagler (Thomas Hearns for you), but we do have a yearly gig where they bring in famous fighters (Ali was here a couple of years ago).

    When I got ripped off in the Tyson/Spinks fight for about $50.00 to watch on TV to watch Spinks take a knee, I pretty much gave up on boxing. I still watch in in the Olympics.

    We’ve got a hell of a lot of those tough man contests though, which I find far more entertaining that boxing.

  • 22. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    You can’t keep a good Rabbit down. Particularly one that’s already dead.

    Although I lost my house this weekend, the Rabbit is back.

    I have no doubt many people do not fully wrap their minds around the magnitude and audacity of what happened in ’08.

    For one, it makes terrible reading.

    Secondly, its very embarrassing for those who argue that government is adept at fixing social issues.

    Lastly, for those on the right, bitching about “the man” gives the instinctive creeps.

    Still, no one likes a whiner.

    So, rest assured, the Rabbit has a plan.

    I will have a small farm in six months. That is the goal. Yeah thats right. A small farm with chickens and two honey bee hives.

    The beautiful thing about moral hazard is it works both ways.

    Plus, I can’t wait to get my hands on Bank of America in hell.

  • 23. Rutherford  |  March 1, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    I challenge anyone to refute what Bernie Sanders says here. Congress is full of hypocrites. The GOPhers bolder hypocrites than the Dem’s:

  • 24. Rutherford  |  March 1, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Rabbit, so where the hell are you living now?

  • 25. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    They have 6 months to kick me out.

    I’m “tapping” my contacts.

    One thing I do have is a good rep. Maybe not with Bank of America, but with people I know and can make eye contact with.

    Obviously, this isn’t the place to spell out my plan in detail.

    But, a land contract is not out of the question.

    There is always opportunity in mayhem. And there is a lot of both in these parts.

    Plus, I have two major “what ifs” going on that could solve all the problems. But, I’m not counting on those.

  • 26. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Possibly has a point on Iraq. Hindsight is 20/20.

    His tax breaks thing is silly. Giving money to Nanny helps nobody.

    2/3 has been paid back on the bail out at a 8% profit.

    Punishing the top 2% doesn’t help the middle class. Don’t confuse the banksters with the rich. It’s not the same.

    I will give him one thing, he is consistent (outside of not explaining why European socialism is such a failure). I can respect that.

  • 27. Rutherford  |  March 1, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    Don’t confuse the banksters with the rich.

    I believe in a Venn diagram the circle representing the bankers would be entirely enclosed in the circle representing the rich. If a few non-bankers have to pony up so we get to the bankers, so be it.

  • 28. Rutherford  |  March 1, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Rabbit is one of your “what if’s” “what if I win the lottery”? That would be one of mine. Then again to be honest, I’ve never bought a Lotto ticket and don’t plan to.

  • 29. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    “If a few non-bankers….”

    Come on man, the bank CEO’s represent maybe 400 dudes.

    Rich people hire people. Tired argument, but true.

    What is it that the government would do with the money so much better then rich people?

    Look at the stim? As it even been spent yet? Utter failure?

    Are you saying most rich people are cheats?

    The way I see it, the more money the government gets, the odds are higher that they come up with something stupid we all have to deal with.

  • 30. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    Rabbit is one of your “what if’s” “what if I win the lottery”?

    ha ha…well…make it 3 what ifs.

    No, my other two are much greater odds.

  • 31. poolman  |  March 1, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Come on man, the bank CEO’s represent maybe 400 dudes.

    Yeah, but the amount they take in could easily provide for infrastructure and sustain several continents. And what do these 400 actually produce? I really hope they are enjoying all their wealth pleasuring themselves in this short lifetime. The next one is much, much longer and money can’t buy you love.

  • 32. El Tigre  |  March 1, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Waiting. . . waiting. . . waiting. . .

  • 33. El Tigre  |  March 1, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    “I really hope they are enjoying all their wealth pleasuring themselves in this short lifetime. The next one is much, much longer and money can’t buy you love.”

    Yeah. Imagine that. Wealthy pleasuring themselves when they could give their wealth to you or for love (of you??). Who’d have thunk it? How Hobbesian.

    Rutherford, what has Obama brought you that you love?

  • 34. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    Dude, in this instance, poolman’s talking about the bankers involved in the financial melt down.

    Or do you defend those guys?

    Tigre, I honestly don’t know your take on the financial crisis. Or for that matter, the current state of Capitalism.

    Are we being haters?

  • 35. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    Tigre, if you could find me 3 major players in the financial banking sector back in 08 that were actually righteous, I will quit bitching about the whole lot of them.

  • 36. Tex Taylor  |  March 1, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    Why aren’t we going after the mortgage lenders to, and the feckless Congress that pushed them to make loans? They’re equally guilty in my book.

    Did you really lose your house Mr. Rabbit? Shit, if I could bench press 265 pounds five times, I’d be telling the mofos, “come kick me out! I’ll take a pound or two out of your asses in the process.”

  • 37. Tex Taylor  |  March 1, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    mortgage lenders too…

  • 38. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    Oh yeah. I lost it as my mod was being approved. I lost it Friday. Bank of America seemed just as stunned as I was. Too many departments.

    Congress is the spark that caused all of this. Government intervention absolutely kicked this whole thing off.

  • 39. Tex Taylor  |  March 1, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    Sanders is lying about “facts” Rutherford. First, the Iraq War didn’t cost $3 trillion – complete and utter bullshit. And most of the cost of the War would have been spent anyway because those guys are being paid, whether they are fighting or not.

    Second, the income distribution stats the lying sack of shit quoted is completely bogus. There’s 7 million millionaires in America alone. That’s well over 2% of the population alone. Take a look at Brazil if you want to see real skewed distribution.

    Third Social Security has absolutely nothing in it – zero, zilch.

    Fourth, Sanders and his ilk were in a super majority for almost a full year and were able to add 3.4 trillion to the debt. Where’s Bernie on that?

    Want me to go on?

  • 40. fakename2  |  March 1, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    R….now I guess you know what the spin is on Gates’ statement. If Iraq and Afghanistan are not explicitly menitoned, along with Vietnam, how could you pretend to miss that reference? That’s just obfuscation.

  • 41. dead rabbit  |  March 1, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Uh…fakename, you seem to labeling us. Care to explain? Because, as usual, your comment doesn’t really make much sense considering our responses.

    Oh, I know…you don’t read our comments, you just comment on our comments.

  • 42. Rutherford  |  March 2, 2011 at 12:07 am

    No, actually Rabbit, FN2 hit it on the head particularly where Huck’s comment was concerned. To suggest that Gates did not have the Iraq/Afghanistan wars in mind when he made his comment is playing serious dodge-ball.

  • 43. Rutherford  |  March 2, 2011 at 12:12 am

    If we followed the Gates Doctrine … bla bla bla

    Tex, you paint a picture of total conjecture … the very koolaid that George Bush water-boarded down your throat at the time.

    As for Bernie Sanders … Tex are you really gonna sit there and try to make me believe that wars don’t cost lots and lots of money? Most of the expense would have been incurred anyway? You’re kidding right? :neutral:

  • 44. Rutherford  |  March 2, 2011 at 12:23 am

    So, out of curiosity, what are you fond of him for?

    1. Repeal of DADT
    2. First attempt at historic health care reform.
    3. Bringing the country back from the brink of economic disaster.
    4. Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act

    That’s just the legislative record. Overall, I still like the guy. I think he’s a decent intelligent man in a really tough job. He is more political than I would like … much more. And there are times when I think he should have run in 2012, or 2016 after getting a bit more Washington experience.

    The other misgiving I’ve had about him lately is (and I think this is the political part) that he lacks an ideological core.

  • 45. Tex Taylor  |  March 2, 2011 at 1:20 am

    Total conjecture? Surely you jest. This is conjecture on your behalf pal. I’m telling you there is no way in hell that Iraq and Afghanistan added $3Trillion more to the debt vis-a-vis we had never fought either war. Complete and utter bullshit – like you quoting that ONE MILLION Iraqis were killed in the war one time over at Chen’s.

    I find it humorous that you’re quoting a self-pronounced socialist and flake. Bernie is a perfect caricature for the Dimocratic party. Figures…

    And to show you how dishonest you really can be Rutherford, this is the biggest line of bullshit I’ve ever read: 3. Bringing the country back from the brink of economic disaster.

    It is simply unbelievable to me how you progressive types can lie through your teeth. Let’s talk facts – 3 million jobs lost, after spending almost $1 Trillion on so called “stimulus.” $5.4 Trillion in additional debt on the Dork’s watch.

    Let me give you one immutable fact about stimulus – each job created due to the “investment”, the new term when America rolled its collective eye at Lib policy, provided by your beloved CBO, cost over $228K – and most were temporary.

    Brought as back from the brink? What a sick joke. Hardly – taken us to the precipice more like. I see you’ve already forgotten just how bad your sources of information are. It took less than four months for you to forget the historical ass kicking. You keep lying, I’ll keep calling you on it, and in about 20 months, we are going to be serenading “HEY HEY HEY, GOODBYE” just like your classless thugs did to George Bush.

    This abject failure we’ve got for current President will go down as the absolute worst in history, even surpassing the incomparable pathetic Jimmah Carter, no matter how much you exaggerate, obfuscate, lie, cheat, and dream. And he can take his onion booty, bird legged, butt ugly, classless wife with him,

    You think about that when you read this and remind yourself just how wrong you’ve were, and most likely will be.

  • 46. Tex Taylor  |  March 2, 2011 at 1:47 am

    Here Rutherford. Try not to ignore this one like you do 99% of the pertinent stuff I post anymore. You’ve gotten incredibly gutless the last six months. :twisted: And note the source, so you don’t whine and belly ache about legitimacy this time:

    In U.S.-Libya Nuclear Deal, a Qaddafi Threat Faded Away. “Senior administration officials and Pentagon planners, as they discuss sanctions and a possible no-fly zone to neutralize the Libyan air force, say that the 2003 deal removed Colonel Qaddafi’s biggest trump card: the threat of using a nuclear weapon, or even just selling nuclear material or technology, if he believed it was the only way to save his 42-year rule. . . . Today, with father and son preparing for a siege of Tripoli, the success of a joint American-British effort to eliminate Libya’s capability to make nuclear and chemical weapons has never, in retrospect, looked more important.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/02/world/middleeast/02arms.html?_r=2&hp

  • 47. poolman  |  March 2, 2011 at 2:10 am

    First of all Bernie Sanders is an independent, not a liberal, not a democrat. Second of all he is one of only a few in DC that has stood time and again for people over big business. Call him socialist if you like, but capitalist is anti-people anymore in my book.

    And yes we have spent upwards of 3 trillion on these wars. The military is notorious for spending mega bucks and not being able to account for it. Just last thread I pointed out the 2.3 trillion dollars unaccounted for admitted by Rumsfeld on 9/10/2001 and an additional 1.1 trillion he failed to mention that was also unaccounted for fiscal 2000. The accounting is so fucked and has never been rectified. The evidence in the accounting office was destroyed the next day. “Of course the order still stands!” claimed Cheney. “Have you heard anything to the contrary?” [speaking of the stand down order as reported by eyewitness Mineta], as the plane was approaching the Pentagon on 9/11.

  • 48. poolman  |  March 2, 2011 at 2:13 am

    Hell, we can’t even account for 9 billion paid out in reconstruction funds.

    Yet if my accounting is off, I have to account for every penny or make it up personally.

  • 49. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 2, 2011 at 3:59 am

    “Mmmm, the past informs our opinion of the future. I doubt Gates just pulled that assessment out of his ass.”

    “To suggest that Gates did not have the Iraq/Afghanistan wars in mind when he made his comment is playing serious dodge-ball.”

    I don’t know what he had in mind regarding any place or time any more than any of you do. Had Rachael Brietbart given us more of the video so that we could hear what he had to say before and after that line, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. Since she didn’t, I have to wonder why.

    You should be wondering that same thing. You aren’t because the edited version tells you what you want to hear.

    So much for teachable moments….

    DR, sorry to hear about your troubles. Maybe give these guys a call. I’m sure they will help out a friend. ;)

  • 50. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 2, 2011 at 4:07 am

    “Bringing the country back from the brink of economic disaster.”

    And what did he do that has supposedly done this?

    Sign a bill that he let congress write…that didn’t do what he said it would do…while giving him more than he said he would need…so he could then cry that it wasn’t enough because he really didn’t know how bad things were?

    And that’s a plus for you?

  • 52. El Tigre  |  March 2, 2011 at 9:29 am

    “Or do you defend those guys?”

    No, the opposite. I sue them — all the time.

    “Tigre, I honestly don’t know your take on the financial crisis. Or for that matter, the current state of Capitalism.”

    I am not trying to be obtuse, but I don’t understand your question. That’s like asking how I feel about middle management.

    Although I doubt there is one, the disconnect is probably the discussion of the cause how we get out of this situation ( adistinction without a difference to libs). It’s not a “capitalism” versus “non-capitalism” debate. The “unrestrained market got us into this therefore the government should interevene and take over” (a/k/a “the banks and business don’t care about you”) is the left’s simplistic refrain to support its approach to everything — more intervention, regulation and bigger government. The stuff that stifles business and bloats bureaucracy.

    Capitalism and true economic growth (e.g. creating new industries, markets and long term sector employment) is the solution. It is also the antitheseis of “stimulative spending” in the public sector (a complete oxymoron). So I mock the “all these bankers/businessmen care about is money” pity-mantras. No shit they don’t “really care about you.” Their purpose is to care about themselves and their shareholders like yours is to care about your students.

    In the end, I’m all about me, baby. I don’t want to finance someone else’s dilema or have limitless debt heaped on my children (otherwise known as an Obama accomplishment to guys like Rutherford). We’re in agreement, except for the whiny part. What more would you like to know?

  • 53. El Tigre  |  March 2, 2011 at 10:25 am

    “discussion [distinction] of the cause and how we get out of this situation. . .”

  • 54. El Tigre  |  March 2, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Rutherford, after reading your No. 44, I don’t want to hear any more “what is the GOP doing for you” garbage. If that’s all you got for Obama, go sit in the corner. You need a time out. :lol:

  • 55. poolman  |  March 2, 2011 at 10:39 am

    In the end, I’m all about me, baby.

    Thanks, Tigre. That most succinctly explains why the world is in the state is in today.

  • 56. El Tigre  |  March 2, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Let me know when you’re in it for me Poolman!

  • 57. Tex Taylor  |  March 2, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    War Cost – an additional $3Trillion accounting for 22% of the debt? I call bullshit.

    Where did the funding come from then Al-Poolman? Even Congress can’t lie and hide that much funding. I’m calling you a rank propagandist and liar of the worst sort. An American hater that desperately requires institutionalization. You’re a sick man and demented man.

    Your admittance to not even filing a tax return for seven years shows that you have a child’s mentality, and are not capable of taking care of yourself.

    My professional diagnosis would be lethal amounts of lithium.

    In the end, I’m all about me, baby. Thanks, Tigre. That most succinctly explains why the world is in the state is in today.

    Spare us the sanctimony Al-Poolman. You’re the most self-absorbed lout on this board. Every one of your posts include something personal about you. None of us give a shit except the anticipation of watching the daily high speed t-bone wreck, and don’t give me the hooey about your generous heart.

    You’re first in line for any government handout, whether it be the pill at Planned Parenthood, or blocks of cheese from benevolent Barack.

  • 58. poolman  |  March 2, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Let me know what I can provide for you, Tigre. I’ll gladly share or give to you whatever need you have that you are unable yourself to provide, if it is within my possessions or power.

  • 59. poolman  |  March 2, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Tex, nobody I know can deny facts and truth like you can. You do it in stride, buddy. I hope you enjoy the reaping part. Have those Arkansas earthquakes made it to your neck of the woods yet? Keep on frackin’!

  • 60. Tex Taylor  |  March 2, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    A little dot-to-dot showing how dishonest and corrupt both the Dimocratic party and their lackeys from Hollywood are.

    Case in point, Chris Dodd – benefactor of fraudulent mortgage loan fame.

    Dodd, recently retired Senator who knew he couldn’t win reelection, said last year that he wouldn’t take a lobbying job after leaving Congress, has taken a massive lobbying job: Chairman of the Motion Picture Association of America.

    And guess who lobbied for the Oscar winner Inside Job?? Chris Dodd.

    ———-

    You like conspiracy theories Al-Poolman. Well, here’s a good one. And this one actually has legs,unlike those ignorant things you post. Seems Berzerkley may have had a big hand in the mortgage loan crisis, bullying for bad loans in unqualified minority communities (maybe Rutherford was one :smile: )

    This is what happens when uber “progressives” throw their weight around. This is so utterly hypocritical, that it deserves special recognition.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2011/03/01/outside-job-using-the-oscars-to-legitimize-a-political-theory/

  • 61. Tex Taylor  |  March 2, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Tex, nobody I know can deny facts and truth like you can.

    Yeah, it’s amazing how easily I can discount George Bush and the Mossad causing 9/11. :roll: All I’m asking for you to do is show me the math… like your tax returns.

    I find you humorous Al-Poolman; I really do! You may be the first truly crazy person, I mean completely whacked out human, I’ve ever encountered. Part Charlie Manson, part Jim Jones, part Heaven’s Gate crazed….

    I expect any day to read somebody sending a message, you put on the Nike’s and caught a ride on the comet with “your church.”

  • 62. El Tigre  |  March 2, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    “Let me know what I can provide for you, Tigre. I’ll gladly share or give to you whatever need you have that you are unable yourself to provide, if it is within my possessions or power.”

    Vote conservative across the board, pay your taxes, keep your hands off my shit. Deal?

  • 63. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 2, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    OK, DR I went after you again in this thread because of the Twinkie reference, which I admit I really didn’t understand, so I thought it was a jab of some sort.

    Now that I have had a chance to read back in the other thread, I see what it meant. So I apologize for using your misfortune as a way to take jabs at you.

    I’m not saying I won’t ever do it again if I think you deserve it. But you didn’t deserve it this last time.

  • 64. poolman  |  March 2, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Vote conservative across the board, pay your taxes, keep your hands off my shit.

    Define conservative – I think like America, they left the building.

    Taxes are already completely paid in full, state and federal. Even overpaid with with past interest and penalties from pre 1994, plus the no refund due to not filing 4 of those years.

    I wouldn’t touch your shit with a 10 foot pole.

  • 65. Tex Taylor  |  March 2, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    Tigre,

    Twice now, I’ve concurred with Al-Poolman. I wouldn’t touch you’re shit with any length pole. :wink:

    Al-Poolman, for months I’ve been trying to come up with that one special person you most remind me.

    Then in occurred to me…

  • 66. Tex Taylor  |  March 2, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    Hmmm…. where’s my link. Oh well, the hard way:

    http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=210444

  • 67. Tex Taylor  |  March 2, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Al-Poolman, you Iranian by chance? :smile:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/28/iran-london-olympics-logo-zion

  • 68. poolman  |  March 2, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Actually, I have no Iranian or black heritage.
    However, Tex, I know who you are. :wink:

  • 69. Tex Taylor  |  March 2, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    That’s a compliment Poolman – call me the strategist. But I have issues with old Karl – he’s much too establishment. I would say I’m more like this. :smile:

    But I didn’t call you black – I said you remind me of Louie Farrakhan. Blame the Jews, conspirator extraordinaire, poseur, appease the jihadis, suck off the public teat.

  • 70. dead rabbit  |  March 2, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Lol…no problem Hucking.

    Tigre, I disagree.

    As I’ve said before, the 2008 melt down is a crime scene. (Ask the Pentagon)

    While I get what your saying about the ” middle management” comment, in this case its exactly the opposite.

    There is a Colonel Mustard, a library and a candle stick. Its just a very complicated one of each.

    Your gut reaction that I am ambiguously complaining about greed is ultimately a danger to our democracy and the invisible hand we both believe in.

    There is a certain amount of apathy institutionalized on the right over the melt down.

    As I said before, bitching about “the man” is usually and correctly cringe worthy.

    However, Adam Smith and Social Darwinism are not the same things. A free market is just and ultimately good for us all. The latter thugish and outside the rule of law. In fact, I would go as far as to say you have incomplete understanding of Classical Liberalism.

    Thank God everyone isn’t in the game for the same reason you are. There would be nobody protecting your ass from the stink beards.

  • 71. poolman  |  March 2, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    There is actually some of what Farrakhan claims that I agree with. He is anti-FED and anti-Zionist. Of course, they are both just different heads of the same beast.

    But in your world that equates with anti-American and anti-semite. Or a “Jooooo hating, American hating, Marxist sympathizer.” Oh wait, Marx was Jewish. Man, it’s tough when you paint with that wide brush, or even that paint roller, for sure. Did you ever that carpet cleaned?

  • 72. Tex Taylor  |  March 2, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    There is actually some of what Farrakhan claims that I agree with.

    That Jews are pigs and monkeys? Or that the white man introduced HIV into the ghettoes? :razz:

  • 73. Tex Taylor  |  March 2, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    I’m disappointed in the SCOTUS decision today. I don’t think this Westboro group of thugs has anything to do with freedom of speech.

    And I agree with the soldier’s father I heard this evening. Paraphrased, “These justices may be book smart, but they don’t have the common sense of a goat.”

    This is bullying pure and simple. And freedom of speech doesn’t cover bullying. Reminds me of what people call “reasonable doubt” – that is not the same thing as “shadow of a doubt.”

  • 74. Tex Taylor  |  March 2, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Now I’ve seen it all – Obama is being sued for impersonation. And not just by any old Joe. I think the community organizer be found guilty as hell, as he has run out of excuses.

    http://allrightallright.blogspot.com/2011/03/pres-obama-sued-by-empty-suit.html

  • 75. dead rabbit  |  March 2, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    Yeah, me too. My American Legion post are the ones famous for drowning them out with motor cycles.

    I guess it isn’t a hate crime to mind fuck a family who just lost their son serving our country.

  • 76. dead rabbit  |  March 2, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    I just saw that the father you spoke of now has to pay a hundred grand to those sick fucks to cover their legal fees.

  • 77. Tex Taylor  |  March 2, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Rabbit, if I were a rich man, I would pick up that man’s tab. We should start a movement to assist him in the cost.

    I guarantee you some day, some where, somebody is going to get fed up with these sickos and kill them. Maybe all of them at one time.

    Who knows – life may get to be such a bitch, I decide to go jihadi and show up at one of these funerals. :wink:

  • 78. dead rabbit  |  March 2, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    I think I heard the American Legion is going to pay it. I’m going to ask about that.

    Those people are truly doing the work of Satan. What else explains it? Pure, uncut evil.

  • 79. dead rabbit  |  March 2, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    Man, I think I figured out this union teaching stuff.

    Let our salary and benefits be voted by the community. Hold a plebacite. Every 3 years the community votes and taxes are raised or lowered as needed.

    A petition would need a certain amount of signatures (depending on the size of the community) to get a certain pay scale/benefit package on the ballot depending on the size of the community.

    Salary and benefits would no longer be discussed as a union.

    Safety and work issues would still be addressed by contract.

    Housing prices would even be more tied to the school system. The community gets too cheap, and there will be an exodus of teachers. Home values plumit.

    Standards and benchmarks would be either established by or subcontracted out by the school board. A representative of the union would be on the school board.

    The State would only exist to be trustees of completely defunct school systems. State workers would man schools with teacher shortages.

    DoE would be abolished. Taxes lowered immensely at the state and federal level.

  • 80. El Tigre  |  March 2, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Rabbit, said “There would be nobody protecting your ass from the stink beards.”

    No. You missed my point again.

    Let’s try it from this angle.

    You claim a right to collective bargaining (free association). I claim the government (as business) has right to reject it. As in WI.

    And you complain about “the bar?” I hardly defend those that caused the crisis. “The Bar” didn’t do it. How’d we get there?

  • 81. dead rabbit  |  March 2, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    I honestly don’t understand what your saying. Its probably on me, but I don’t get how you are linking an earlier conversation we had about attorny lobbying and collective bargaining to my thoughts (and yours) on the financial crisis.

    I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed, so try to put it in simpler terms, if that’s even possible.

    In fact, I’m at a loss for why you quoted my statement about the stinkbeards.

    As for collective bargaining, I can’t believe how many times I have to repeat myself. FIRE EVERYBODY.

    The government has every right NOT to deal with the union.

    Why do we need legislation for this?

    Don’t like pensions? My pension is protected by the state constitution. Want to change a deal made with me? Change the constitution by following proper protocol. No ad hoc shit.

  • 82. dead rabbit  |  March 2, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    I never remotely blamed “the bar” for the economic melt down. I certainly don’t blame you…

    Surely, you admit the “suing people” industry lobbies the government in a way at least slightly comparable to Unions, don’t you? And sometimes, the interests of a particularly powerful bunch of lawyers (maybe not your firm or area of expertise) might not be in the interest of the tax payer.

    My point was that you or your brethren may also benefit from an unhealthy political situation.

    Is that so outrageous?

  • 83. dead rabbit  |  March 3, 2011 at 12:21 am

    And one more thing. I hope Wisconsin loses their collective bargaining rights. Due to the tactics of the Dems, they deserve to.

    This falls back to my rule of law, anti ad hoc thuggery crusade.

    Those Dems in hiding are taking a piss on Democracy.

    The only cool thing about the Wisconsin stuff is Rutherford looks like the biggest lying hypocrite in the blogosphere. His passion for civil discourse has completely vanished!

  • 84. Tex Taylor  |  March 3, 2011 at 1:28 am

    Obama Huckabee is OVER. An ignorant, irreligious zealot acting true to form.

    A prick in “nice guy” clothing.

    By the way, the ‘zealot’ misspoke when he said Kenya – it was Indonesia. Nonetheless, the rest of the message was right on. Obama does hate Britain like his father, and he has made that readily apparent.

    I really believe Obama hates America and its legacy too – and that too has shown. Like his onion bootied, peg-legged, chimpanzee-faced, profoundly hideous, anal gland nasty wife. :twisted:

  • 85. Rutherford  |  March 3, 2011 at 1:30 am

    I hope Wisconsin loses their collective bargaining rights. Due to the tactics of the Dems, they deserve to.

    Like I said before Rabbit … you live in Kansas dude …. what’s the matter with Kansas? You’d cut off your nose to spite your face just to f*ck over a Democrat. The GOP counts on you. They rev you up.

    I don’t support the WI Dem Senator’s tactics. But would I go so far as to say kill collective bargaining just to “show them what’s what”? No. I actually believe in voting for my self-interest and not letting a party distract me with hatred of “the other” so that I lose sight of my self-interest.

    The GOP has bought and sold you dude! Wake up and smell the Sanka!

  • 86. Rutherford  |  March 3, 2011 at 1:33 am

    Well I do believe we have determined one thing. Based on his tax history, Poolman is eminently qualified to be Secretary of the Treasury or Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee. :-)

    Sorry Poolman … I just couldn’t resist.

  • 87. Rutherford  |  March 3, 2011 at 1:35 am

    P.S, Poolman … 86 was more a jab at Geithner and Rangel than you. ;-)

  • 88. Rutherford  |  March 3, 2011 at 1:45 am

    Tex, first things first. Obama did not “grow up” in Indonesia. He spent about four years of his youth there. Second … don’t be a nimrod, Huckabee did not mean Indonesia. Nothing he said in his ignorant display had anything to do with Indonesia … the Mau Mau’s are Kenya. I know you love to see Obama dissed but don’t be an ignorant ass in the process.

    Second, the sh*t you spew about Michele Obama is getting real old. There is zero difference between her and Laura Bush. Both women pick their pet projects (as all First Ladies do). Unlike Hillary Clinton, Michele Obama does not attempt to take a strong hand in policy. She supports a cause and spends the balance of her time raising her two beautiful children. Or would you like to call them names too?

    Hate to break it you sport, but on the list of First Ladies, Michele Obama is actually one of the more attractive ones. If you’d toss her out of bed to f*ck Barbara Bush, Nancy Reagan or even Roslyn Carter, there is seriously something wrong with you. :evil:

  • 89. Rutherford  |  March 3, 2011 at 1:48 am

    Ahhhh I’ve found Tex’s ideal HOT First Lady! :-)

  • 90. poolman  |  March 3, 2011 at 2:26 am

    Well the only reason I never filed taxes those seven years is because I did not keep good books so really it was too difficult to try to figure them out. That was before turbo tax. I can say I have paid them anything I have ever owed them plus and I have never cheated on my taxes. But I’ll take the flack. I’m sure nobody here has ever cheated the IRS in their lifetime, and has always been totally honest when filing their returns. Yeah, I’m confident of that.

    Tex, that comment about Michelle Obama in 84 is really ugly. You’ve just elevated your degree of racist asshole in my book. Classy, bro. Real classy.

  • 91. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 3, 2011 at 4:50 am

    Not sure about the rest of it, but I’d be lying if I said the “onion booty” part didn’t make me laugh…

  • 92. El Tigre  |  March 3, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Rabbit, although my point was clear to me, I admit to having had a scotch before I typed so maybe it was not a model of clarity. Nevertheless, I hit my mark.

    I was trying to point out that your villans and vague assertions/questions are so disconnected a response is like nailing jello to the wall.

    Briefly: you say,”I honestly don’t know your take on the financial crisis. Or for that matter, the current state of Capitalism.”

    I respond first by saying: “although I doubt there is one, the disconnect [in our dialogue] is probably the discussion/distinction of the cause and how we get out of this situation (a distinction without a difference to libs).”

    So, my take on the financial crisis and capitlism, simply put:

    1. The financial crisis was the convergence of many bad actors and well-intentioned folks too (like yourself that overextended on their home). So, yes a very complex crime was commitited.

    2. America is in decline.

    3. The way back will never be through the expansion of government.

    Incredibly, Rutherford comes to the rescue for my last point by talking about “self interest” at the ballot box while eschewing it in the market place.

    You haven’t given me much to work with here. Which in my response, I went from your comment about stinkbeards, to collective bargaining to lawyers weiding too much political might followed by: “How did we get here?” Your have circumnavigated the globe in your quest to identify the bad guy.

    Now, you do know that the various “tort reform” measures you advocate are designed to protect corporate defendants including banks from its malfeasance, don’t you?

  • 93. dead rabbit  |  March 3, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Tigre, of course I appear disconnected. You are trying to weave everything I say at an internet forum into a grand theory of the universe. Next you will be tying in my bench press bragging into the narrative.

  • 94. El Tigre  |  March 3, 2011 at 10:47 am

    No. I was headed for the Red Sox, then Parker Brothers (for Clue), then your bench pressing. Sheesh.

  • 95. El Tigre  |  March 3, 2011 at 10:51 am

    BTW, without looking into, I believe the reason for legislation blocking collective bargaining is that it undermines the enforcement of contracts that create the legacy expenses if entered into. In other words, it’s doctrinal.

  • 96. El Tigre  |  March 3, 2011 at 10:52 am

    BTW, without looking into it, I believe the reason for legislation blocking collective bargaining is that it undermines the enforcement of contracts that create the legacy expenses. In other words, it’s doctrinal.

  • 97. Tex Taylor  |  March 3, 2011 at 10:54 am

    HAW HAW HAW! Rutherford tries to provide the crusher and disses a beloved and highly overrated Dim in the process – ugly as hell, but not as ugly as Big Booty – they tell me even the dog won’t follow Ms. Obama around unless they tie a pork chop to the Onion.

    Rutherford, I’d call you sport but you couldn’t shoot marbles.

    Have you gotten so damn desperate to find any sliver of news that you can criticize, because you damn sure can’t perform, you don’t recognize Huckabee misspoke? Religious zealot. :lol: Anybody of real faith to you is a religious zealot, unless of course its the religion of moral equivalence – you and Rosie O’Donnell.

    I can prove Huckabee misspoke – page 183 of Huckabee’s book correctly lists Indonesia as Mullah Obama’s childhood home- Obama’s real love as he’s determined to bring Death to AmeriKKKa. Kenya was his British hating daddy’s welcome mat.

    It must really suck to be a Lib about now. You guys have been such a disgrace, your moniker is now equated with EPIC FAILURE.

  • 98. Rutherford  |  March 3, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Incredibly, Rutherford comes to the rescue for my last point by talking about “self interest” at the ballot box while eschewing it in the market place.

    Tigre, I think this comment ignores the dangerous tendency of self interest to become greed. I don’t eschew self interest in the marketplace. However, the danger of capitalism is the very cut-throat aspect of it.

    It’s fascinating to me that in my “industry” most of my competitors have the attitude that there are enough customers out there for us all. It’s not quite the zero sum game of “I win if you lose”. But I think that is an exception. All too often capitalism leads to an all out anything goes race to the “top”.

    I will confess I have no viable alternative to capitalism. Socialism appeals to me somewhat but it flies in the face of human nature … in a socialist society, someone will still be making lots more money than everyone else. There is no such thing as equal distribution of wealth.

  • 99. dead rabbit  |  March 3, 2011 at 10:58 am

    I have to say, I don’t advocate tort reform. I don’t know the first thing about it. I am aware that lobbying often creates unfair situations in government. Those who are indignant about public unions should make sure they are not themselves benefiting from a certain level of corruption in the government. That’s all I am saying.

  • 100. Rutherford  |  March 3, 2011 at 10:59 am

    I’d be lying if I said the “onion booty” part didn’t make me laugh…

    Huck all this does is betray the truth that Tex DOES indeed watch “Real Housewives of Atlanta”. There’s lots of analysis of African-American booty on that show. :-)

  • 101. Rutherford  |  March 3, 2011 at 11:06 am

    I can prove Huckabee misspoke

    No, the best you can do is prove that Huckabee said dumb sh*t pandering to audiences like you, contradicting his own prior record of reasonable comments.

    Huckabee is at worst a lying POS and at best a shameless political opportunist who wants to ride into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue on the backs of racist birthers.

    Reminds me of the good old days when Huckabee’s celebrity spokesmodel, Chuck Norris suggested Mike was the man for the job because McCain would die in office. Yeah, old Huckabee’s track record for distasteful classless sh*t just gets better and better.

    Enjoy your fried squirrel today Tex. Just out of curiosity, do you cook them in a popcorn popper too? ;-)

  • 102. Tex Taylor  |  March 3, 2011 at 11:07 am

    You’ve just elevated your degree of racist asshole in my book. Classy, bro. Real classy.

    Well, that just breaks my heart. Racist, huh? Asshole, huh? :sad: Success.

    But I only elevated it? I intended to “cement” it. I decided I’d about had enough of Rutherford’s cheap religious shots, so I figured anything goes. I can “elevate” the vitriol. So, here’s some more.

    I think Michelle “Butt Ugly” Obama is the sorriest excuse for a First Lady imaginable – a disgrace and abomination to humanity. Now put in another piece of rebar in your degree.

    Jimmy Jones aka Al-Poolman, anything you think of me is completely irrelevant. And on the day you begin to think better of me, I’ll realize I completely screwed up somewhere along the way, because you’re the last thing I strive to be like. I ain’t your “bro” Forked Tongue. Put that in your memory bank. :twisted:

  • 103. dead rabbit  |  March 3, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Capitalism works great, Rutherford. Throw in a little socialism so that nobody starves to death, and bam! We have a pretty good system, compared to the rest.

    The melt down was caused by a distortion of Capitalism, corruption and a meddling hands of Nanny.

    And damn did Nanny piss me off when they decided to reward the engineers of the melt down.

    There isn’t a lotto ticket in America worth what the CEO of the ruined company Country Wide got paid. And that’s after his “fine”.

    The government didn’t just bail out the bad guys. Moral hazard my ass! More like positive reinforcement via billions and billions and billions of tax payer money wired into motherfuckers bank accounts.

  • 104. El Tigre  |  March 3, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Rutherford, I’m with Tex. Your take on Huckabee’s comment is L-A-M-E.

    “Those who are indignant about public unions should make sure they are not themselves benefiting from a certain level of corruption in the government.”

    When Rutherford offers the warm embrace of the democratic party in response to your comments, you might want to do a little self-assesment too homeboy. That’s all I’m saying. :razz:

  • 105. Rutherford  |  March 3, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Oh and Tex … I can call a First Lady butt ugly without any partisan stupidity blinding me. That’s why I offered up a pic of dear Eleanor.

    I stand by my assessment … Michelle is one of the more attractive First Ladies we’ve had. She certainly does nothing to merit your scorn. It’s your same old LWH (Liberal Women Hating) syndrome at work again.

    P.S. I, for one, find Jackie O highly overrated as a beautiful First Lady.

  • 106. Tex Taylor  |  March 3, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Huckabee is at worst a lying POS and at best a shameless political opportunist who wants to ride into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue on the backs of racists birthers.

    Political opportunist? Well you ought to know political opportunist. That piece of shit couple polluting the White House this minute will leave a stench of political opportunism for a hundred years. We could take ammonia to the building, and the stench of the Obama’s will permeate the pad.

    Rutherford. :lol: You’re not very good at the personal attacks. Squirrel?

  • 107. El Tigre  |  March 3, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Rutherford @ 98, if you’ll tune into the subtleties of what I said with the same proportion you have with respect capitalism, I think you’ll find something more telling than what you’ve ascribed to my observation.

    (sorry about the double post)

  • 108. Rutherford  |  March 3, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Ahhhhh Tex, my reference to Huckabee’s religion “offended” you? Sorry … I hold self professed Jesus followers to a higher standard. Shouldn’t I? ;-)

  • 109. Tex Taylor  |  March 3, 2011 at 11:17 am

    She certainly does nothing to merit your scorn.

    Yes, she has. That cheap and classless piece of trash is living large on the American dime – jet setting around the world, eating 1,600 calorie rib fests while preaching to the rest of us to eat grass.

    What a laughable hypocrite of biblical proportions. Michelle Antoinette…

  • 110. Rutherford  |  March 3, 2011 at 11:19 am

    You’re not very good at the personal attacks.

    Wow, that deficiency really disappoints me.

    I thought the squirrel comment was kinda funny myself. I can just picture you and Huckabee sitting down to a hot plate while the two of you conjecture about how much Obama hates America.

  • 111. Tex Taylor  |  March 3, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Rutherford, you might try to hold yourself to any standard, before you criticize the rest of us. You’re a foolish man…playing with the hottest fire like a child.

    You’re a little hatemonger behind the scenes. You deserve to be called out on your bile.

  • 112. El Tigre  |  March 3, 2011 at 11:26 am

    I want him called out on his taste in women first. :lol:

  • 113. Tex Taylor  |  March 3, 2011 at 11:27 am

    It’s not squirrel – it’s fried chicken. :smile: Which by the way, I like. Does that make me a racist?

    Obama does hate America – he’s Rev. Jeremiah Jr. Obama loves what America offers….like his wife. The worst kind of traitors.

  • 114. dead rabbit  |  March 3, 2011 at 11:32 am

    “When Rutherford offers the warm embrace of the democratic party in response to your comments, you might want to do a little self-assesment too homeboy. That’s all I’m saying.” -Tigre

    Hey ” dog”, I think if you have read what I’ve said I’ve done exactly that.

    Hell, I’m all for a direct vote over what I get paid. I think the gov should fire us when we become too hard to deal with and hope the union fails in Wisconsin. My God, man. What more can I say?

    You sure are touchy about your role in this world. Starting to make me think you reside in quite the glass house.

  • 115. El Tigre  |  March 3, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Pfffft. Glass house my ass. You left off the “razz” smiley face in quoting me. Lighten up.

  • 116. dead rabbit  |  March 3, 2011 at 11:58 am

    You keep this up and I’m going to mail back the bust of Jeffery Fieger you gave me .

  • 117. Tex Taylor  |  March 3, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Liberal Women Hating Syndrome? :twisted:

    Well, I suppose that is “kind of” true. But hate is such a loaded word. How about Liberal Women Gag Syndrome? Hey, I don’ t discriminate amongst Libs. Boobs or no boobs, I find them equally repulsive.

    Jackie O highly overrated as a beautiful First Lady.

    We finally agree on something. An adulterous, privileged, mindless misfit – a fixture of your Lib media still infatuated with the gawd awful Camelot myth. Like JFK was one of our greatest Presidents. What a joke.

  • 118. Tex Taylor  |  March 3, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Rutherford,

    Can you not bring yourself to admit Michelle Antoinette is the ultimate chichi 1st Lady?

    These high flying, ostentatious weekend parties with the mindless ilk of the music and entertainment industry? Lavish European vacations? Preaching about eating lettuce, while dining on pork ribs on the public dole in Vail? Her entourage and buddies, munching lobster flying over to European posh, spending a fortune at taxpayer’s expense? And the ultimate idiocy – unannounced “flyovers” of the Manhattan skyline to “take pictures” creating mass panic – she’s the female version of Muammar Gaddafi.

    I disdain the woman, from her hideous dress, to her tortuous sermons, to the nepotism and corrupt promotions. Michelle Antoinette is revolting and classless. She is a wannabee Jackie O without the panache.

    Obama is a nice looking man – why didn’t he marry somebody that looked like Beyonce or Whitney Houston? Perhaps score him a blond bimbo with 38DD, or something? Get him a golddigger? Obviously, Obama was a clumsy social misfit and Marxist, who was stuck picking from the ugly lib women segment.

    COME ON MAN!! Admit to the obvious consequences. :mrgreen:

  • 120. Tex Taylor  |  March 3, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    I just saw an interesting fact obliterating Lib’s claims about the evils of Big Oil “subsidies” – one of Dummy Dawg’s stretches at intelligence – and I use the term intelligence incredibly loosely.

    Based on a MegaWatt of power, and I assume that is the most important aspect of a subsidy being we are trying to produce energy (right Yeller Dawg?), hydrocarbons are subsidized at 25 cents per megawatt hour.

    Wind and Solar are subsidized by our illustrious federal government at $24.00 per megawatt hour.

    Kill all of the subsidies for all I care, but the next time some brainless Lib throws subsides up in your face to explain the deficit and evil big corporations being benefactors (like Al-Poolman), remind them of this fact.

  • 121. El Tigre  |  March 3, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Q: It’s not squirrel – it’s fried chicken. Which by the way, I like. Does that make me a racist?

    A: No. It makes you sacrilegious.

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/florida/some-parts-us-redneck-actually-considered-religion

  • 122. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 3, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    “I can prove Huckabee misspoke

    No, the best you can do is prove that Huckabee said dumb sh*t pandering to audiences like you…”

    Silly Tex. Don’t you know stuff written in books only counts as proof of something when Rutherford does it?

    Like the claim that John McCain called his wife a cunt.

  • 123. Tex Taylor  |  March 3, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    Like the claim that John McCain called his wife a cunt.

    I always wondered what McCain’s wife thought of that story. That’s fine writing for the New York Times, hey? When I called Fake one, I was only following the New York Times lead…I thought it was permissible in dinner conversation, and stuff. :shock:

  • 124. Tex Taylor  |  March 3, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    El Tigre,
    :lol: I like that. That’s what I’m going to list if I ever get busted. I think the Smoking Gun and the People’s Cube are two of my favorite websites.

    Here’s a script for one of “favorite” Congressional women, who bears a striking resemblance of King Kong.

    http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/presenting-the-sheila-jackson-lee-show-t6870.html

  • 125. Rutherford  |  March 3, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    You keep this up and I’m going to mail back the bust of Jeffery Fieger you gave me .

    Frankly I prefer his late brother Doug … lead singer of the Knack.

  • 127. El Tigre  |  March 3, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Tex, I’ll see your Sheila Jackson Lee and raise a Cynthia McKinney.

  • 129. poolman  |  March 3, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Yeah,

    I like Cynthia McKinney. McKinney has been greatly discredited since she stood up for 9/11 truth. But that’s okay. There are enough people and resources working overtime to discredit and/or eliminate everyone claiming to be a truther. That is why most folks that believe that way just keep their mouth shut, rather than get the kind of harrassment those who stand up for it do.

    That’s okay, though. Once you go there, all the dots connect and the world makes much more sense. There is too much real evidence and there has been a poor job of covering their tracks this time. Y’all just keep up your rant. Keep denying the natural laws of physics and the proven facts, as long as they don’t coincide with what you want to believe. I recognize the beast. I know which side ultimately wins. I’ve read the end of the story.

  • 130. poolman  |  March 3, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Time to trade all those greenbacks for yuan. Better brush up on your Mandarin. Here we go as we prepare the way for the kings of the east.
    Gōng zhī wáng :wink:

  • 131. dead rabbit  |  March 3, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    You’re a turd.

  • 132. poolman  |  March 3, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Sure, rabbit. Whatever. But look what your and my tax dollars support.

  • 133. Tex Taylor  |  March 3, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    Yes Rabbit – look at what your and my tax dollars support – 3 1/2 years old, mind you. Al-Poolman’s loving victims:

  • 134. Rutherford  |  March 4, 2011 at 12:07 am

    Gotta love it … battle of the videos. From where I sit I can’t be sure either video is legit. In Poolman’s video much of the dialog is spoken by people off camera, so for all I know the dialog was just over dubbed.

    As for Tex’s video, since I don’t speak Arabic I always find these videos with subtitles suspicious. I have no idea if the kid really said what the subtitles say.

    Be that as it may, we’ve got a bunch of people who hate each other and probably always will. God is great, God is good, let us thank him for our feud. :evil:

  • 135. Rutherford  |  March 4, 2011 at 12:10 am

    Oh by the way, Tex would you not agree that if the child has been taught what the video purports, then she is indeed a victim?

  • 136. poolman  |  March 4, 2011 at 12:38 am

    If you mean our tax dollars support propaganda films, you’re right. I don’t think we support Palestine with tax dollars. At least not anywhere near the degree we do Israel. Here’s the nation you defend in their own “battleground”:

  • 137. Tex Taylor  |  March 4, 2011 at 12:57 am

    Oh, those Palestinian videos are real Rutherford – I can assure you. I’ve got much worse, if you would like to see them. As far as Al-Poolman, Joooo hater extraordinaire and faux christian with a small ‘c’, he’s shown his ass once again….

    “Since the signing of the Oslo Accord in 1993, the U.S. government has committed more than $1.3 billion in economic assistance to the West Bank and Gaza Strip. *

    Since the end of 2000, Arab states have transferred to the Palestinian Authority monthly financial aid of $45 million (since April 2002 this sum was increased to $55 million). The European Union (EU) transfers to the PA approximately $9 million monthly. By the end of 2001, the Palestinians had received $4 billion (the figure is now closer to $5.5 billion) since the 1993 Oslo agreements.

    This is the equivalent of $1,330 per Palestinian. By comparison, the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe after World War II provided $272 per European (in today’s dollars).”

    * Hamas – a Terrorist Organization and sworn enemy of both Israel and the United States (explaining why Al-Poolman loves them so). :wink:

    Good thing I’m not El Presidente. Al-Poolman would have his U.S. Citizenship revoked, with a one way ticket for he and his family to Beirut, Lebanon – banned from the U.S. forever (or hanged from the neck for treason; that sent a tingle up my leg).

  • 138. Tex Taylor  |  March 4, 2011 at 1:04 am

    I fully expect any day now for Al-Poolman to refer to Palestinian suicide bombers as “martyrs.”

  • 139. Tex Taylor  |  March 4, 2011 at 1:10 am

    Ahhh….another lib egregious ploy exposed – of all people, the incomparable IowaHawk, who bleeds the supposed “union superiority” of education.

    This is laid out so clearly even Al-Poolman will get it. However, Yeller Dawg still wouldn’t understand. Doesn’t fit the narrative, and Rachel Maddow hasn’t spun it yet.

    Longhorns 17; Badgers 1

    http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2011/03/longhorns-17-badgers-1.html

  • 140. Tex Taylor  |  March 4, 2011 at 1:15 am

    As a bonus, Iowahawk neuters the lib hero and Nobel Prize Winner (not named Gore or Obama) Paul Krugman. If there’s a bigger liar in America today short of John Edwards and Jesse Jackson, I haven’t heard of them.

  • 141. poolman  |  March 4, 2011 at 2:09 am

    Tex,

    I noticed you didn’t source your propaganda. Try this for reality in terms of greenbacks. Which, btw, come from the FED. Who owns the FED? Dickhead!

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/usaid.html

    * Hamas – a Terrorist Religious and Political Organization and sworn enemy of blacklisted by both Israel and the United States [because its anti-zionist stance]

    How ’bout this. US suspends all aid since 2006:

    http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/68794.pdf

  • 142. Tex Taylor  |  March 4, 2011 at 2:24 am

    Speaking of dickheads, in this case tax cheats and failed businessmen known as sometimes as Al-Poolman, most of the time Fat Granny toady, I realized after my post math isn’t his gig.

    So, extrapolating out how much America has given in aid to Palestine, we could have stopped giving aid in 2006, never give another dime, and still be on the short end of the stick for about another 40 years in comparison to what we provided to the rebuilding of Europe per person.

    So I have a question for the tax cheat. I can show statistic after statistic, fact after fact of benefit what the United States in our own determination have received from our foreign aid to Israel in the way of technology, innovation, and information – many who are of the opinion that the information provided by Israel exceeds anything our own CIA provides.

    So a simple question for a very, very simple (and confused) man.

    What have we received as American citizens for our generosity shown to Palestine Al-Poolman?

  • 143. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 4, 2011 at 3:22 am

    Tex, without doing a bunch of research, my guess is that most of that US aid to Palestinians ended up going to Fatah as a reward for them agreeing to the Oslo Accord.

    The US and Israel also armed Fatah to fight Hamas (arms that ended up in the hands of Hamas after it took Gaza).

    As far as I know, those disgusting videos come from Hamas mainly since they took Gaza. They put it out on the TV stations they control. I get the feeling Hamas isn’t into offering much in the way of alternative programing, if you know what I mean…

    [Insert standard reminder not to generalize]

  • 144. poolman  |  March 4, 2011 at 3:34 am

    I fully expect any day now for Al-Poolman to refer to Palestinian suicide bombers as “martyrs.”

    That’s how they feel. Blame the PLO. There was never a Palestine. The land was quite barren in the early 20th century. Jews and Arabs lived peacefully side by side mostly until 1948.

    All of this changed when the League of Nations invited Jews to resettle their ancient home. Ironically, it was after Jewish business created a surplus of jobs that Arabs flooded into the territory in mass, creating a situation where the Arabs greatly outnumbered the Jews.

    In paradoxical fashion, the British, after inviting the Jews to return, sold over 75 percent of Palestine to the Arabs, creating a new country called, Trans-Jordan. This is an extremely important and seldom taught fact. Please catch this: 75 percent of what had been offered to the Jews was sold behind their backs to the Arabs instead! Not only were the Arabs offered a “separate Palestinian state,” long ago, but they have been living in one since the early part of the Twentieth Century. It’s called Jordan, a country three times the size of what remained for the Jews.

    It’s now a religious and racially charged zone, Money vs poverty, possession vs dominance, the fringes of both set on genocide. Muslim against Jew, Zionists against Arabs, with Christians in the middle. It isn’t a true democracy. There is extreme racial inequality in Israel. Yes, the Nation of Israel has enemies. Its separate and dominant existence is threatened. It claims God gave it the land, and it is taking it by force. The Arabs are fighting for what they feel is their land, because they live on it and hold title. The Muslims see the Jews as Nazis, bent on genocide. The Zionists are secular supremacists who took up Jewish identity some 1300 years ago.

    Just like the people in kingdom of Judah, Just like the early church, devote Muslims believe the most noble cause and one they would give their life for is in service to God.

    Hamas slogan
    Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.

  • 145. poolman  |  March 4, 2011 at 3:47 am

    I can show statistic after statistic, fact after fact of benefit what the United States in our own determination have received from our foreign aid to Israel in the way of technology, innovation, and information – many who are of the opinion that the information provided by Israel exceeds anything our own CIA provides.

    I love it when you can’t see the forest through the trees. The same reason a fish would never list water as the most obvious thing in its environment. The naivete always stimulates me, I must admit.

    I can’t wait for that “come to Jesus” moment. It’s gotta happen pretty soon. :razz:

  • 146. poolman  |  March 4, 2011 at 6:06 am

    Ah yes, loyalties, like dual citizenship, where do they lie? Yeah, they have had designs on us from the get go. Now you can take that quite literally, too. The layout of DC? Our currency? All the symbols of authority like sheriffs. The Pentagon? Plenty of the corporate logos, too. Doesn’t it begin to add up? Oh yeah, the numerology angle, too. Or is that two? “Cursed be their anger, so fierce, and their fury, so cruel! I will scatter them in Jacob and disperse them in Israel.”

    Jacob was a deceiver from the very beginning of his life, even while still in the womb. He became Israel (his born again experience) after he wrestled with God. But the double-mindedness remained and the deception continued throughout his life. He compromised and was deceived his entire life. Evil vs good. Carnal vs Spiritual. The real battle. As Genesis 49 shows, Israel’s blessing followed Judah, the rest of the sons were not very well blessed. The exception was Joseph, whom Jacob blessed.

  • 147. poolman  |  March 4, 2011 at 6:51 am

    Today’s Zionism represents the secular/humanist/flesh, ie: The world. That is why many spiritual Jews oppose it. True Zion is a spiritual kingdom. The modern Nation of Israel is different from the nation of Israel described in the OT. Semites are scattered all over the world. Some intentionally deceive us into believing they are “God’s chosen.” Upwards of 90 percent calling themselves Jews today are Ashkenazi whose blood is Slavic, Mongol, and Turkic, and are decendents of the Khazars that converted to Jewry in 740 AD. “God’s chosen” are those who are spiritually circumcised, not merely of the flesh. Even Solomon, the wisest of all men, went secular in the end. And once again, we have been forewarned.


    Israel, a man, a nation.
    This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666.

  • 149. Tex Taylor  |  March 4, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Jews and Arabs lived peacefully side by side mostly until 1948.

    Peacefully? What a rube…

    Is that why the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, in conjunction with Hitler, tired to have every living Jew on earth exterminated in the 30s and 40s? Because they lived peacefully side by side?

    Rank propagandist…and Joooo Hater. Wouldn’t doubt you were a little half moustache with a combover…

    Your use of biblical scripture from Revelation truly is disgusting. Not only are you perverted, but then you’ll take God’s Holy Word and pervert it to. No wonder non-believers like Rutherford think the church is full of nuts.

    Even Solomon, the wisest of all men, went secular in the end.

    Read the last chapter of Ecclesiastes and tell me that. Solomon went bad for a time – but not the end.

    Today’s Zionism represents the secular/humanist/flesh, ie: The world. That is why many spiritual Jews oppose it.

    Spiritual Jews where? Hollywood? Wall Street? The ACLU? The FED you so hate? As usual, you’ve got it ass backwards. Many “spiritual” Jews as in “real” Jews and not JINOs have made aliyah to their beloved homeland. You play no small part in their persecution with your lies and deceit – but because you’re a rube, you’re but a bit player. Hollywood yahoos wouldn’t do that to save their souls. Their religion is the religion of liberal politics, so you have much in common with them.

  • 150. Tex Taylor  |  March 4, 2011 at 11:33 am

    crapola were/wear a little half moustache

  • 151. Tex Taylor  |  March 4, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Truthfully Al-Poolman, this is what I always think of when I think of you. :smile: Seriously….

  • 152. Tex Taylor  |  March 4, 2011 at 11:39 am

    As far as I know, those disgusting videos come from Hamas mainly since they took Gaza. They put it out on the TV stations they control. I get the feeling Hamas isn’t into offering much in the way of alternative programing, if you know what I mean…

    I’m sure that’s true Huck. But who put Hamas in authority to begin with?

  • 153. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 4, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    “There was never a Palestine.”

    There’s plenty of old maps that say different. Not to mention the British Mandate of Palestine.

    “But who put Hamas in authority to begin with?”

    Hamas did after their civil war with Fatah.

    Yes, after the 2006 election, Hamas would have controlled the PNA. But there still would have been power sharing in the form of a parliament.

    There is no such sharing going on right now. Hamas is in 100% control of the Gaza Strip. And part of what they control is all forms of mass media.

    It is also worth mentioning that Hamas got less than 50% of the Palestinian vote in 2006, though they did get the plurality. They have since stopped elections, and I don’t believe they would win another one.

  • 154. Rutherford  |  March 4, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    I don’t know if any of you are following the travails of Charlie Sheen but Jimmy Fallon’s impersonation is priceless!

  • 155. Tex Taylor  |  March 4, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Pretty funny Rutherford – his impression is right on the money.

    I saw a few of those interviews and we are looking at a very unhappy, very troubled man. Unfortunately, Sheen is surrounded by some pitiful people with no moral bearing to help pull him out, starting with his sorry excuse for a father.

  • 156. poolman  |  March 5, 2011 at 4:53 am

    Rank propagandist…and Joooo Hater.

    I guess I’ll join the ranks of Amos, John the Baptist, Stephen, and Jesus…

    Hear this word, O house of Israel, this lament I take up concerning you: “Fallen is Virgin Israel, never to rise again, deserted in her own land, with no one to lift her up.” (Amos 5:1,2)

    You have lifted up the shrine of your king, the pedestal of your idols, the star of your god – which you made for yourselves. (Amos 5:26)

    John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? (Luke 3:7)

    You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. (Matthew 12:34)

    “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? (Matthew 23:33)

    Opposition arose, however, from members of the Synagogue of the Freedmen (as it was called)–Jews of Cyrene and Alexandria as well as the provinces of Cilicia and Asia. These men began to argue with Stephen, (Acts 6:9)

    You have lifted up the shrine of Molech and the star of your god Rephan, the idols you made to worship. (Acts 7:43a)

    “You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit! (Acts 7:53)

    I know your afflictions and your poverty–yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. (Rev 2:9)

    I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars–I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you. (Rev 3:9)

  • 157. poolman  |  March 5, 2011 at 5:05 am

    Jimmy Fallon has Charlie down, Rutherford. I don’t usually watch TV, so I miss the late night comedy hosts. Poor Charlie. He hasn’t done much to help his cause lately.

    I do like me some Jon Stewart…

    Here’s some hypocrisy for you. The disconnect is amazing… :grin:

  • 158. Alfie  |  March 5, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    1. Repeal of DADT
    2. First attempt at historic health care reform.
    3. Bringing the country back from the brink of economic disaster.
    4. Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
    That is some weak shit

  • 159. Alfie  |  March 5, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Rabbit FWIW
    I’ve been sending you good thoughts from the Bay State. I truly wish all things work out for you and yours.

  • 160. Alfie  |  March 5, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Fuck YouTube and sound bites people

    The need for heavy armor and firepower to survive, close with, and destroy the enemy will always be there, as veterans of Sadr City and Fallujah can no doubt attest. And one of the benefits of the drawdown in Iraq is the opportunity to conduct the kind of full-spectrum training – including mechanized combined arms exercises – that was neglected to meet the demands of the current wars. Looking ahead, though, in the competition for tight defense dollars within and between the services, the Army also must confront the reality that the most plausible, high-end scenarios for the U.S. military are primarily naval and air engagements – whether in Asia, the Persian Gulf, or elsewhere. The strategic rationale for swift-moving expeditionary forces, be they Army or Marines, airborne infantry or special operations, is self-evident given the likelihood of counterterrorism, rapid reaction, disaster response, or stability or security force assistance missions. But in my opinion, any future defense secretary who advises the president to again send a big American land army into Asia or into the Middle East or Africa should “have his head examined,” as General MacArthur so delicately put it.

    By no means am I suggesting that the U.S. Army will – or should – turn into a Victorian nation-building constabulary – designed to chase guerrillas, build schools, or sip tea. But as the prospects for another head-on clash of large mechanized land armies seem less likely, the Army will be increasingly challenged to justify the number, size, and cost of its heavy formations to those in the leadership of the Pentagon, and on both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue, who ultimately make policy and set budgets.

    What we can expect in the future is that potential adversaries – be they terrorists, insurgents, militia groups, rogue states, or emerging powers – will seek to frustrate America’s traditional advantages, in particular our ability to shoot, move and communicate with speed and precision. From the look of things, the Army will not repeat the mistakes of the past, where irregular warfare was shunted to the side after Vietnam. The odds of repeating another Afghanistan or Iraq – invading, pacifying, and administering a large third world country – may be low. But in what General Casey has called “an era of persistent conflict,” those unconventional capabilities will still be needed at various levels and in various locations. Most critically to prevent festering problems from growing into full-blown crises which require costly – and controversial – large-scale American military intervention.

    DoD speech text

  • 161. Tex Taylor  |  March 5, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Hypocrisy? Educators? Well, here you go Jon Stewart…

    http://moneyrunner.blogspot.com/2011/03/harvard-professors-say-rotc-bad-gaddafi.html

  • 162. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 5, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Thank you for that text Alfie.

    Rutherford, you’ve been played….again.

  • 163. fakename2  |  March 5, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    It’s good to have the full context of Gates’ words (via Alfie). But I don’t think that delegitmizes the sound bite. It’s his job to manage defense, and think about smart warfare. I’ve been a fan of Gates since I saw an interview with him on 60 Minutes. He doesn’t give many interviews..he’s kind of busy.
    It is not his job to decide whether we go to war or not, and he clearly knows that. What he was saying was, if we have to, let’s do it the best way. Meaning the shortest and least destructive way. I don’t know a single person who was ever in the military who thinks being in a war is all they hope and pray for. They (and I) are not running around wearing peace symbols nor are they saying, I can’t wait to kill somebody or be killed myself.
    In other words, it’s his job to decide how to fight a war. Ours to decide whether to fight or not. And on that front, we have screwed up repeatedly. In reality, we should do a lot more school-building and tea-drinking.

  • 164. fakename2  |  March 5, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Wrong, Huck. See above.

  • 165. Tex Taylor  |  March 5, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Oh yes Fake. I’m sure you and your sister have an incredible amount of military warfare expertise. An anthropology degree will do that for people. :roll:

    You can’t even seem to get your own life in order to any great degree, but you are capable of defining the appropriateness of war, its strategy, the expertise in conducting, the planning, implement, and probably even foreseeing the future.

    You’re amazing (cough cough)…

  • 166. Tex Taylor  |  March 5, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    Rutherford and Rabbit,

    I have been meaning to ask you both how your wives are doing and feeling, what you’ve learned, and the prognosis.

  • 167. fakename2  |  March 5, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    Incidentally, I’m reading Malcom Gladwell’s book “Blink”. There is a chapter in it about Paul Van Riper, who headed the “Red (Enemy) Team” in a war game that JFCOM devised. Very, very instructive. While the “Blue (USA) Team” concentrated on superior numbers, weapons, and technology, Van Riper went out and killed them while they were debating. He said, there is a time for strategy, which is before you start fighting. I think this is essentially what Gates is saying…if we’re going to do it, we have to get smarter about it.

  • 168. Alfie  |  March 5, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Actually Gates is part and parcel with the folks that believe in HIGH destruction warfare via drones,air forces and sea to land engagement and also looks to a leaner faster and combat and cost effective land force which is why the whole speech and the context of addressing future Army officers is key.It totally deligitimizes the sound bite.
    Folks dismiss that context and act as if Gates was at Harvard (ironically allowing ROTC return secondary to DADT repeal lol) or Think Progress convention. Context matters in the realm of reality.
    School building and tea? I see you’ve enjoyed Mortenson.

  • 169. Tex Taylor  |  March 5, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Alfie, maybe she meant that the guys with the joy sticks need to drink more tea before they start pushing the drone buttons.

    Too bad Gorilla isn’t here to correct Fake. But I feel pretty confident that he would agree with my assessment that the military consists to protect and defend the Constitution – therefore the citizens of the United States of America. And that the basic tenet of war is to win, which we did in Iraq.

    It remains to be seen if the Muslims have the capability of keeping peace.

    Voices around the world, from Europe to America to Libya, are calling for U.S. intervention to help bring down Moammar Gaddafi. Yet for bringing down Saddam Hussein, the United States has been denounced variously for aggression, deception, arrogance and imperialism.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/03/AR2011030304239.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

    Hypocrisy and the double standards at their finest…

  • 170. fakename2  |  March 5, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Alfie, I didn’t phrase that correctly…I meant least destructive to our own troops. IF we are in a war, we need to do whatever it takes to win. If the enemy complains, so be it. I think that was the lesson of Vietnam, which we apparently didn’t learn. On the other hand, Vietnam was a bad idea and so was Iraq. Afghanistan was a good idea that we botched.
    I have no idea who Mortenson is.

  • 171. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 5, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Gee FN. Thank you so much for explaining to me the relationship between the military and civilian authority.

    Of course, let’s not forget that Rummy’s big screwup wasn’t in sending too many troops into Iraq, it was sending too few. Rummy wanted to do exactly what Gates says we need to get back to…go cheap with fast forces and be in and out in a couple weeks.

    Maybe you remember that thing called The Surge that corrected that mistake? Obviously Gates does not….

  • 172. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 5, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    I would also like to point out that I have every reason to believe that Rachael Breitbart and Rutherford interpreted Gate’s edited blurb to be speaking out against invasions, period. I mean, he certainly wouldn’t be saying we shouldn’t send big numbers into the ME unless that’s what he was getting at, right?

    But now that we have the full context, we can see that that is not at all what he was even hinting at. He recognizes that we will still have to go over there and go after people. And do you think the countries in which they are hiding are just going to open their doors and allow us entry?

    But no….the full context didn’t change anything, did it?….

  • 173. Tex Taylor  |  March 5, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    Huck,

    I heard something interesting the other night from Donald Rumsfield, who is labeled the bad guy in planning in Iraq. And I have to admit I have been blaming him for the initial screw ups from what I read.

    But Rumsfield said that Gen. Tommy Franks was authorized for 450,000 troops, and Franks chose to go with the faster small army.

    It would be interesting to hear Tommy Franks take on the matter.

  • 174. fakename2  |  March 5, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Alfie, re: drones. I read that our enemies object to them because our troops are not coming out and “fighting like men”. I say, tough shit. We live, you die. If you don’t like it, get your own drones or…don’t start something with people who already have them.
    It amuses me that people think “liberals” or “Democrats” are all flower children.
    I think we should have (and still should) pursue Osama bin Laden to the ends of the earth, assuming he is still alive. But we blew it. Where we blew it was Iraq. I don’t know anyone who doubts that now.

  • 175. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 5, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Indeed, Tex.

  • 176. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 5, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    “Where we blew it was Iraq. I don’t know anyone who doubts that now.”

    How we blew it still seems to be up for debate with some.

  • 177. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 5, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    “If you don’t like it, get your own drones..”

    They already have drones. They are called “suicide bombers.”

  • 178. Tex Taylor  |  March 5, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Where we blew it was Iraq. I don’t know anyone who doubts that now.

    We may have blown it initially, but it is easy to armchair quarterback. We won, and I don’t know anybody but libs without sense that think we didn’t “NOW”.

    I would say if we are blowing it anywhere, it would be Afghanistan then and now. We could have killed UBL numerous times, including Sandy Burglar three times denying the authority, and Tora Bora to be fair. And Obama couldn’t manage the game Battleship, much less conduct a war. But I don’t hear duplicitous libs criticizing Obama about innocent blood and the fact that American deaths have more than doubled there under his leadership. Libs are nothing, if not hypocrites.

  • 179. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 5, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    Of course, Clinton could have killed him, too. Too many people forget/ignore that.

  • 180. Alfie  |  March 5, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    FN He wrote a book titled and heads up an organization named Three Cups of Tea.

  • 181. Alfie  |  March 5, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    addendum fake,look into it I think you’d enjoy his book alot.

  • 182. Alfie  |  March 5, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    It would be interesting to hear Tommy Franks take on the matter.
    I dare say Franks didn’t envision staying,just winning.

  • 183. fakename2  |  March 5, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Alfie…I ‘ve heard about that book! On the dreaded and seditious NPR. As for winning in Iraq, looks to me like we are slitheriing rather quietly out of somewhere we never should have been in the first place. Withdrawing with dignity, I thiink that’s called. Been there, seen that explanation.
    Huck….any tinme (re #171.

  • 184. Tex Taylor  |  March 5, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Fake, assholes like you besmirch the men and women that fought in Iraq, and the brave people who helped decimate Al-Qaida. Slither. They don’t slither anyplace, and everyday that goes by George Bush looks better, and your appeasing cocksucker and coward for President looks like a gutless buffoon.

    That foreign policy magic all of you maggot feminists and queers from you broken Dimocratic party promised us in 2008 has turned out to be a disgrace and a joke, and weakened America considerably. China spits in our face, Iran calls Obama a coward, and Moscow laughs at us. Recent history has now proven phony morons like you an abject failure in your objectives. How’s that closing of GITMO going?

    Forked-tongue snakes like you slither. You are a reprehensible excuse for a human being, and represent everything wrong with burnt out, hag feminists.

    I’ll bet you look like a wrinkled, old prune. It matches your shit disposition.

  • 185. dead rabbit  |  March 5, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Alfie…thanks for your thoughts.

    Tex,

    My wife is still blind and now has glaucoma in that eye. Scar tissue from the choroid injury severs communication between the brain and the eye. So, she his blind in that eye and will probably remain that way for life.

    Her retina is still smashed too. This makes her eye look kind of weird. Its liker her pupil is twice the size but its not round.

    Sounds dramatic. But life is going on. My wife isn’t one bit depressed over it. She’s more into trying to get pregnant again then worrying about that eye.

  • 186. dead rabbit  |  March 5, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Yeah…no shit. Slither? wtf.

  • 187. fakename2  |  March 5, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    Pick your own verb, but we aren’t leaving Iraq because we “won”. Are we leaving it a better place than when we got there? Possibly, and possibly not. But at what cost? What I object to was the rationale, which was false. The rationale changed midstream, from WMD’s, to Saddam is a bad guy anyway. If that’s our reason to go to war…to spread freedom and democracy, then I can pick a dozen countries we should have started with first.

  • 188. dead rabbit  |  March 5, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Fair enough, but the soldiers deserve to leave with their head held high. Slink my ass. What we pulled of there, considering the circumstances and challenges was nothing short of amazing.

    “Not worth it” and “slinking a way” in defeat are to entirely different arguments.

    So, yeah, i will pick my own verb.

  • 189. Tex Taylor  |  March 5, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    False rationale my ass – if so, you losers from the Dimocratic party were saying the same things about WMD, including both Clintons, Manslaughter Kennedy, John Kerry, Vladamir Putin, and every other world leader worth mentioning. Saddam was warned hundreds of times to follow the resolutions he signed or face the consequences.

    You tell me you list of “a dozen democracies” that were shooting at our planes daily, breaking 16 U.N. resolutions hourly, threatening our Presidents, paying suicide bombers, housing Abu Nidal, etc….

    You think you’re brilliant Fake, but I think you’re superficial and shallow as hell – the marginal intellect. You’re nothing but one of the millions of bleating sheep and 60s flower power burnout, who never amounted to a damn thing, and now you mouth the popular Leftist memes hoping to draw attention to yourself.

    You’ll die as pathetically as you’ve lived…all alone and without any valor – gutless and self-absorbed to the end.

  • 190. dead rabbit  |  March 5, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    I’m disappearing for a while. My plan to get my little farm is now in effect. Need some cash, so I took a second job.

    I will return after we have moved in and my honey bee hives are set up. It might take about 3 or 4 months. God Speed.

    Wanna get the rabbit out of the L-O-G
    You gotta make a commotion like D-O-G like D-O-G

  • 191. fakename2  |  March 5, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Rabbit, yes. You would have to look long and hard to find any comment I have ever made which “besmirches” the military. You can’t find it, unless you deliberately misunderstand me. My father was a WWII veteran, my cousin is a retired Captain in the Navy who commanded a ship in the Persian Gulf during the first Gulf War. I was married to a Vietnam war veteran and friends with many others. I know someone now who was stationed in Fallujah. My problem is not with the military, it’s with the people who sent them where they had to go. It’s a policy issue.
    Unless someone convinces me otherwise, I’ll continue to think of Iraq as a grudge war on the part of Dick Cheney, our Shadow President. He was highly pissed that GHWB did not pursue Saddam back into Iraq after he was chased out of Kuwait, and then he got his second chance with GHWB’s weakling son.

  • 192. fakename2  |  March 5, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    Good one, Rabbit. Waylon Jennings is just the best. Happy beekeeping–a very noble profession in my part of the planet. Remember “Ulee’s Gold”?

  • 193. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 5, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    Are we leaving it a better place than when we got there?”

  • 194. Tex Taylor  |  March 5, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    I just love the Judas types, or in this case the Judess clods, who because of blood relationship believe that makes them an “expert”, excused for any action or thought, ,and their own personal convictions are not to be judged on account of blood bravery and sacrifice. Good grief.

    You’re old man was a Vet. You disgrace his memory. Just like you rejected your grandmother’s good advice about Christianity, you rejected daddy’s patriotism too. You aren’t the first, nor will you be the last prodigal son or daughter. And Ron Reagan Jr.’s old man was President of the United States and a damn good one. The son is a total reject.

    The problem is Fake, it is so obvious you’re an irreligious product of the failed 60s, tune in, turn on, drop out generation with some hang up about Vietnam, you still think the world rests in 1973.

    Just so that you know, if we had “slithered out” like you cowards demanded and America reciprocated in Nam, I’m guessing millions of Iraqis would have gone to their deaths just like 2.5MM Cambodians. If you haven’t noticed, our middle east critics are now begging for George Bush, not that turd Barack Obama, to intervene. Have you been reading that all week Buttercup?

    And yes, your comment did besmirch our men and women Iraq. You’re not worth a hangnail on anybody that might serve. My gawd, you are empty and pretentious…

  • 195. poolman  |  March 6, 2011 at 12:06 am

    Tex,

    Do you get paid to post that propaganda, or are you really sold on it? We won in Iraq? Who is we? Humanity? USofA, inc.? The white folks? The Iraqi people? You’d be better off listening to your ass, Balaam.

    Iraq was on the table when W came into office. Way before 9/11. It is public information now. Oh, and Sadaam wasn’t shooting at our planes. He basically was whipped after the first Gulf War – you know, the one Bush 41 conned him into attacking Kuwait so we could turn around and decimate his ass. Also public knowledge.

    I guess Oklahoma is as accurate with history as Texas is. Fuckin’ cowboys. Always making up stories and writing their own excuses.

  • 196. poolman  |  March 6, 2011 at 12:33 am

    Spiritual Jews where?

    Listen to the real Jews:

  • 197. Rutherford  |  March 6, 2011 at 12:52 am

    I have every reason to believe that Rachael Breitbart and Rutherford interpreted Gate’s edited blurb to be speaking out against invasions, period

    Huck, not a good idea to conjecture on my interpretation. I inferred from Gates that Iraq and Afghanistan were bad ideas. He confined his remarks to particular regions and was not making a general statement about all invasions, nor did I think he was making such a statement.

    While I am truly delighted to have my friend Alfie back on the board today, I don’t think he’s proven a thing with his “full context” quote of Gates.

    The full context reveals that Gates feels irregular military tactics are appropriate for these theaters (Africa, Asia, Middle East), not sending in masses of land troops. Since his quoting of MacArthur has been all over the news in the past week, if he felt it was out of context, why hasn’t he “set the record straight”? It’s because he said what he meant and he meant what he said and all those who have quoted him got his meaning exactly right.

  • 198. Rutherford  |  March 6, 2011 at 12:58 am

    We won, and I don’t know anybody but libs without sense that think we didn’t “NOW”.

    We won nothing. By all accounts Iraq is anything but stable. Only time will tell if we “won” but it is still premature to say so. Sorry to burst your bubble Tex.

  • 199. Rutherford  |  March 6, 2011 at 1:02 am

    Fake, assholes like you besmirch the men and women that fought in Iraq, and the brave people who helped decimate Al-Qaida.

    Oh give it a f*cking rest! Another dude who confuses hating a war with hating the troops. It doesn’t work Tex … you can’t shame us into believing Iraq was a good idea. Yes, our soldiers who fought there were brave. The men that sent them there …. liars and cowards. :evil:

  • 200. Rutherford  |  March 6, 2011 at 1:07 am

    My wife is still blind and now has glaucoma in that eye.

    Rabbit that is kinda odd. I have glaucoma and the way it’s diagnosed is with what is called a visual field test. If you start losing peripheral vision, it’s a sign of glaucoma. With your wife completely blind in that eye, I’m wondering how they can make a glaucoma diagnosis, other than by comparing photographs of the inner eye over time (which is what my doc does in addition to the visual field test). Was your wife what they call a “glaucoma suspect” before the accident? Also, from what I understand glaucoma usually occurs in both eyes. Is that what they told her?

    I’m glad to hear she has a positive attitude about the whole thing. She sounds like a real trooper!

  • 201. Rutherford  |  March 6, 2011 at 1:11 am

    In answer to Tex’s inquiry …. my wife is still suffering some symptoms. She went in for a lung capacity test last week and since they administered albuterol to her after the first test, I’m assuming she didn’t do too well on it. So we now await a second consult with the pulmonologist. I tease her that she is just copying all of my afflictions. She’s also in the words or our eye doctor a “glaucoma suspect” just as I was for years until the doc finally definitively said I’ve got it. And of course I have breathing issues. So, I joke that she’s just trying to keep up with me.

    Her spirits are pretty good. Thanks for asking Tex.

  • 202. Rutherford  |  March 6, 2011 at 1:15 am

    Shame I can’t write to you Rabbit, you anonymous person you, but hopefully you see this wish for success with your farm. With any luck we’ll all still be here jabbering about politics when you return. Good luck brother!

  • 203. poolman  |  March 6, 2011 at 1:16 am

    Endgame…

  • 204. dead rabbit  |  March 6, 2011 at 1:19 am

    R, she has what’s called traumatic glaucoma. From what I understand, glaucoma is determined from pressure in the eye more then anything.

  • 205. Rutherford  |  March 6, 2011 at 1:41 am

    Rabbit, you’re right …. the primary treatment for stalling glaucoma … putting off its harmful effects without actually curing it, is to keep the pressure within the eyeball as low as possible. That’s why I take two different eyedrops every day.

    I hadn’t heard of traumatic glaucoma but that does explain things. Thanks for the added info.

  • 206. Rutherford  |  March 6, 2011 at 1:43 am

    Poolman, I didn’t watch the full video but seriously … why would Israel inflict that much pain upon its strongest ally? On its face it just doesn’t make much sense.

  • 207. Tex Taylor  |  March 6, 2011 at 1:46 am

    Oh give it a f*cking rest! Another dude who confuses hating a war with hating the troops. It doesn’t work Tex … you can’t shame us into believing Iraq was a good idea. Yes, our soldiers who fought there were brave. The men that sent them there …. liars and cowards

    Go to hell. There were guys like you who were actively rooting for American soldiers to die in Iraq so you could score political points and bash Bush. Don’t tell me you weren’t.

    Fake is a Ms. maggot. She tries to defend her reprehensible statements with “well, so and so was a….and he’s my daddy, friend, boyfriend, ex (fill in the blank)” Big fucking deal – Private Bradley Manning’s ancestors had served with honor. Manning’s still a maggot like Fake.

    Guys like you can’t be shamed because you’re immoral. Shame to you is honor, claiming faith and defending your country.

  • 208. Rutherford  |  March 6, 2011 at 1:51 am

    Let me close tonight with a confession. There are certain “villains” for whom I inexplicably develop huge, almost perverse admiration. The first case of this was my buddy Rod Blagojevich. I’d pay to watch an interview with Blago. He entertained the crap out of me and I found myself liking him.

    Well … and I really hate to admit this … but it’s happened again and this time it’s … wait for it …. Charlie Sheen.

    Yes, I confess I am fascinated with this bizarre f*cked up human being. I think what I find so appealing is his utter confidence in the midst of his insanity. “Tiger blood”, “rock star from Mars”, “Adonis DNA” and the list goes on and on. I love watching the guy interviewed. If I could get that cocky without getting coked up, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

    Duh …. winning! :-D

  • 209. Rutherford  |  March 6, 2011 at 1:57 am

    Don’t tell me you weren’t.

    I wasn’t. :neutral:

    But your analysis of FN does clarify one thing …. I can assume Obama gets no points for having a Granddad who served his country loyally in WWII? No possibility that Obama’s world view was partly shaped by that grandfather who raised him during some of his childhood? Nah …. Obama’s only influences were his atheist mother and anti-colonial Kenyan father.

    P.S. BTW, has it ever occurred to anyone here that all Americans are anti-colonialists? Why is that actually a negative for Obama?

  • 210. poolman  |  March 6, 2011 at 2:39 am

    why would Israel inflict that much pain upon its strongest ally? On its face it just doesn’t make much sense.

    Personal gain. You didn’t follow the story I linked in 146? Those that do this have done it over and over throughout many generations and to many nations.

    Where is their allegiance? I have brought up the dual citizenship many times before. Who is benefitting from our resources and might? How is America or Americans faring in all this. Now we are fighting Israel’s enemies at the cost of our own children and economy. Most of us can’t see it. It’s the air we breathe.

    All the dots connect if you can possibly stand back and see who has been victorious in all this chaos. It isn’t you or me, or even Tex, for that matter. Folks like Tex have a hard on for Israel because it has been stroked by the Zionists for so long and in every place he hangs out. The movies, the media, the church, our politicians. We see the Zionists as the good guys. The underdogs trying to survive the holocaust. It is such theater.

    We can’t criticise or we’re called anti-semites. We admit they have the best intelligence and they have infiltrated every nation and group. They control the media, the banks, our politics and policy, and the vast majority of the major corporations, yet we still think of them as the most threatened group of people on the planet.

    We’ve been duped. The record stands. If we don’t learn from history, we are bound to repeat it. Listen to the real Jews in 196. They are in conflict with these Zionists. These people are the greatest manipulators in the world. In our own country, we recognize plenty as criminal, and yet we promote them and keep them in power over us. We all need a good bitch slapping wake up call.

  • 211. poolman  |  March 6, 2011 at 4:11 am

    As a Christian, we are allowed to call out false Christians or false teachers. Many of those fakes are on the video that Tex posted last thread. Benny Hinn, Robert Tilton, Pat Robinson, et al.

    But when it comes to Jews, it’s taboo, for some reason, to claim they are false, have false motives, or are out for personal gain. Many have teamed with false Christians to MANipulate policy and people. They now control our government and our economy after working their way in over the century. Follow the money. Think the FED. Even toward the beginnings of our nation, they have threatened us. Andrew Jackson called them out. Lincoln and Kennedy opposed them, and you saw where that got them.

    The Jews that practice their faith, like the ones posted in 196, are warning us that the Zionists are false Jews and represent evil, yet we are blinded and don’t believe them. The Netanyahus, Murdochs, Kissingers, Bernankes, et al. of the world have us doing their bidding. Think Goldman Sachs, Lehman Bros, Salomon Brothers, et al.. They are bold and arrogant, thumbing their noses at us, carrying out their deceptions in broad daylight. Our country is just about broke and we are squeezing teachers and cops, yet they are raking in record profits.

  • 212. Alfie  |  March 6, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Well obviously we are allowed to disagree and at some point must agree to disagree and let it go. Rutherford I do find it a bit odd that Huck shouldn’t over interpret but those that want to see something that isn’t necessarily there in Gates comments can.
    Seriously the full context and by that I meant people could click and see the full text of the speech not just the fuller part I embedded.
    Iraq and in a different way Afghanistan have exposed how our system reverted to past ideas while at the same time knowing and developing the new as the answer. Its like knowing the new rifle is best but when the balloon went up you grabbed your trusted musket. This is what happened with the variant that past hurts and missteps weighed in too. (Vietnam,Haiti and Somalia)
    YOUR posts opening and title screams to me that you see something that isn’t there.

  • 213. Alfie  |  March 6, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Good luck Rabbit

  • 214. MuffyMcD  |  March 6, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Fakename,

    You said, “If that’s our reason to go to war…to spread freedom and democracy, then I can pick a dozen countries we should have started with first.”

    Why don’t you believe this to be the reason?

    Which country (or dozen) would you have chosen and why?

    Also, your statement about pursuing OBL to the ends of the earth and how we blew that with Iraq – can you elaborate? Specifically, what is the extent of your purpose in achieving that end of killing OBL?

  • 215. MuffyMcD  |  March 6, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Rabbit – see you again soon I hope. Cheers.

  • 216. Tex Taylor  |  March 6, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    Mullah Poolman,

    How many of those Israeli Jews have you read partaking recently?

    http://www.aina.org/news/20110304222016.htm

  • 217. Tex Taylor  |  March 6, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Mullah Poolman’s idea of a “real Jew.”

    “Ahmadinejad is not an enemy of the Jews, but is a “God-fearing man who respects the Jewish people and he protects them in Iran”. ~ Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss:

    You can see why Mullah Poolman would approve. :wink:

  • 218. Rutherford  |  March 6, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    One of the favorite past times of a “non-believer” is watching Christians fight among themselves … and even more entertaining is watching Jews fight among themselves. Every now and then on “The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell”, two rabbis show up to debate each other. One is more of what I’d call a “modern rabbi” kind of analogous to Christian ministers who tolerate homosexuality. Then there are the traditional rabbis … perhaps orthodox or Hasidic? Complete with dreads and accents they obtained from who knows where (since they’re born in America), they turn their noses up at inter-faith marriage, etc etc.

    Here’s my prediction …. all the religious folks will yell and scream at each other … eventually blow the planet to bits. The non-believers will seek shelter and emerge from Armageddon to start the whole thing over, taking the advice of John Lennon:

    “And no religion too.”

  • 219. Rutherford  |  March 6, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Poolman, isn’t talking about Jews “controlling Hollywood” akin to getting paranoid about Indians running hotels or the Chinese running launderettes or Korean grocers?

    I need to read up some more on Zionism since that appears to be the crux of your issue. Unlike some on this board, I’m not ready yet to write you off as a mere anti-Semite. For one thing, I do think there is a sickness in our unblinking loyalty to Israel. No country should deserve that kind of devotion … and no country in the world gives US that level of devotion.

    However, some of the memes I’m seeing do smack as rank antisemitism such as complaining that there are too many Jews in powerful positions in Hollywood. Sounds like Mel Gibson.

    Like I said, I’m going to try to carve out time to read some more of your links and some independent research to understand the difference between Zionism and boiler plate Judaism better.

    I will say this …. I DO believe every religion has their version of Jerry Falwell.

  • 220. Tex Taylor  |  March 6, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Here’s my prediction …. all the religious folks will yell and scream at each other … eventually blow the planet to bits. The non-believers will seek shelter and emerge from Armageddon to start the whole thing over, taking the advice of John Lennon:

    Here’s my prediction. North Korea, Russia and China, all pronounced atheistic, won’t really be impressed with your non-belief. We’ll be gone, no one will be here to protect you as you can’t defend yourself, and you will have bought yourself a quick ticket to hell to join up with John Lennon. You won’t be singing Imagine, but the constant reality of wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    In that split second right before the bullet hits your brain, or if your unfounded fear of theocracy comes true with radical Islam as your taskmaster, when your mortal enemies suddenly realize how expendable you are, the epiphany will strike you just how foolish you really were, and that you had no idea what intolerance meant until that moment.

    In that last nanosecond, you’ll be praying to any god there is something thereafter. Sadly, your fatherly influence will take those you love with you to profound terror and sadness for all of eternity….a sad reality of a godless father.

    Sorry to be blunt Rutherford, but it is time that someone told you the truth about your dysfunction and your future. In your arrogance, you believe you are one of the chosen “intellects”, but you will soon discover you were but the biggest of fools.

  • 221. Rutherford  |  March 6, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    if your unfounded fear of theocracy comes true with radical Islam as your taskmaster

    But for this quote, I actually found your latest comment, Tex, quite eloquent.

    But as for the part I quoted … doesn’t a fear of Muslim theocracy drive a lot of YOUR political conclusions? Why else would you champion your OK anti-Sharia law legislation? If you ask me, I don’t think you find a fear of radical Islam theocracy the least bit “unfounded”.

  • 222. poolman  |  March 6, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    The basic tenet of Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are essentially the exact same thing. Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind. Love your neighbor as yourself. Everything else is false and deviates from the true Abramaic faiths. Period.

    If anyone says otherwise, they do not understand or truly follow their faith. Period.

    The only time God declared war good was to destroy those who did not follow those tenets and would in turn corrupt the pureness of the faith. Those He considered evil. Not because of their nationality, rather their heart.

    In all those circumstances, it was God doing the fighting – not men. And it was to bring glory to Him and let all nations know it was not by the might of the people, rather the hand of God. A good example is Gideon in Judges chapter 7, where God told Gideon he had too many fighters, and thinned them down to 300.

  • 223. poolman  |  March 6, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Tex,

    217 is absolutely true. He has said that when people will understand the true nature of Zionism, it would fail to exist. Exactly what I have been trying to point out. I am no big fan of Ahmadinejad, but his words are continually twisted to say he wants to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth. He has never said such a thing.

    I also suspect the Coptic Christians attacked by Muslims is another Mossad ploy, just like the new year’s attack was. They do it to arouse sympathy with us westerners for their cause to demonize the Muslims. Islamophobia. You’re being played. Google the story. It has made it to hundreds of proZionist outlets. 16 plus pages of Google. Everyone is the exact same article/source/wording.

  • 224. fakename2  |  March 6, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    R–you can check all the links and view all the videos, and you will stil be where you are now. Here’s the deal IMO. First, you come up with a sort of Unified Theory, whether that is a religion or a conspiracy theory. Then Voila! Everthing fits! You can pigeonhole everything.that ever happens. You can check a box for “good” or “evil”. You are miraculously relived of having to think, which is hard, because you have your framework.

  • 225. fakename2  |  March 6, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    *relieved

  • 226. fakename2  |  March 6, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    As fior #189, I am far from brilliant, but I am pretty smart and well informed. Not so well informed that I cn’t learn sonething every day. I don’t have to resort to bolstering my opinion with articles and videos from people wo argee with me.
    More importantly, I don’t resort to calling you names other than stalker, which you are and apparently continue to be. I don’t mention your fanily. Let’s just cut to the chase. I think you’re smart, but I also think you are absolutely batshit crazy. You need serious therapy, or drugs, or both.

  • 227. Tex Taylor  |  March 6, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    Why else would you champion your OK anti-Sharia law legislation? If you ask me, I don’t think you find a fear of radical Islam theocracy the least bit “unfounded”.

    I didn’t say the fear of radical Islam was unfounded – it is indeed a threat. Your constant criticism is never with Islam – it’s with Christianity. Remember?

  • 228. Tex Taylor  |  March 6, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    Mullah Poolman’s brilliant conclusion that all faiths of Abraham are basically the same shows how intellectually bankrupt his “religion”, whatever it is. It seems to be a blend of Baal, Islam, and a penchant for quoting scripture….

    The Commandment Love your God with all your heart, soul and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself is completely exclusively Christian – and the One who said as much called it the “New” Commandment.

    But even with the violence of the Old Testament, I challenge Mullah Poolman to find me verse in either Torah/O.T. or N.T. where it would command God’s people “to slay all the infidels.”

    O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.

    The antithesis of Christianity above…from ‘brotherly’ Islam.

  • 229. Tex Taylor  |  March 6, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    I don’t have to resort to bolstering my opinion with articles and videos from people wo argee with me.

    So these posts you pen on your blog, especially the animal and planet posts, are based strictly on your research, your science, and your personal authorship? Completely original, hey? Well then, perhaps you can formulate an opinion without continually mouthing the lefty talking points, because you sound and read like Yeller Dawg on estrogen.

    As far as stalking you, you truly do live in a fantasy world. Trust me on this one sweetheart. I find you about as interesting as watching paint dry. I am guessing this cheap weekly wine run where you purchase the rot gut “stuff” accompanies the trip to this blog. :wink:

    The only time I peruse your lousy blog is to gather ammunition to blast you or out of sheer boredom. I find you neither “smart” nor deep, but I’m betting a million bucks, you’re as lonely a woman as they come, with great regret about how it all turned out. I think your life is an empty bowl, with nothing to fill the soul.

    As far as “therapy”, who exactly would you recommend? Those “shrinks” that frequent your blog, the Fat Grannies crowd that specializes in psychobabble and lies? You do remind me of the type that frequents these specialized “counselors”, half who truly are bat shit crazy and seeking their own reason for existing. May I add that I don’t need my sister as support groupie…

  • 230. poolman  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:20 am

    First, you come up with a sort of Unified Theory, whether that is a religion or a conspiracy theory. Then Voila! Everthing fits! You can pigeonhole everything.that ever happens.

    That may work for closed minds, fakename. Let’s take for instance Tex’s statement that kinetic energy caused craters in NYC. He compared the falling towers to meteors that enter our atmosphere from space. Now I know Tex is intelligent, but he just exhibited willful blindness to cover common sense so his mind won’t have to consider any alternative.

    Everyone knows that an object falling from a maximum of 1368 feet cannot reach the velocity of an object entering our atmosphere from outer space, yet he clearly made that comparison in the last thread. It is even worse when you consider the craters were under the buildings, so the freefall as described would never happen. The property of inertia plays a much more important role in this scenerio, yet it is completely ignored.

    Now if I asked him what would happen if he dropped a brick from the rooftop of any 1300 foot building onto the sidewalk below, do you think he would claim it would create a crater? He might claim the impact would break the brick or crack the sidewalk.

    I think most justify things they observe based on their past experiences. Repetition and peer agreement help solidify their beliefs. Teaching the same over and again creates neural pathways that guide thoughts and conclusions. Anything counter to that is either ignored or rejected. This is what we commonly refer to as close mindedness. If you have a closed mind, then something out of the norm is threatening. The natural tendency is to shut it out or discredit it.

    However, if you approach life and learning as a child, all things are new and all things are possible. You haven’t any pre-conceived notions that restrict your thought processes. You use all of your senses of observation to understand your environment. You may ask questions and listen to explanations, but ultimately you form your own conclusions.

    This is how we were designed. This is how we should approach each new day. Open minded. With childlike faith and wonder. In that way we will continue to develop our mind and expand our knowledge.

    People of God depend on spiritual guidance in this journey. True believers place their lives in the care of God’s Spirit and walk by faith, not by human sight. This concept is foreign to those who are not familiar with the supernatural. His followers believe that with God, ALL things are possible.

  • 231. poolman  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:32 am

    find me verse in either Torah/O.T. or N.T. where it would command God’s people “to slay all the infidels.”

    You must destroy all the peoples the LORD your God gives over to you. Do not look on them with pity and do not serve their gods, for that will be a snare to you. (Deuteronomy 7:16)

  • 232. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 1:52 am

    You must destroy all the peoples the LORD your God gives over to you. Do not look on them with pity and do not serve their gods, for that will be a snare to you.

    That’s a specific tribe or nation under judgment. Your analogy fails – and I knew you would provide something like that – you’re nothing if predictable.

    I’m talking the equivalent where God commands you and me to slay the infidels; right here, right now.

    And you won’t find a trace of it closet Muslim.

  • 233. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 2:25 am

    Poolman, I’ll give you one thing. Unlike Yeller Dawg, who when he’s caught pulling facts out of his ass simply avoids the question, you’re willing to step into the toilet to be flushed while jabbering away. You don’t have a damn idea what you are talking about.

    But before I give you a lesson in physics, will you please answer where are the traces of residue of the “demolition?” Every explosive leaves a trace….where’s the evidence of C4, Urea, TNT, whatever you think they imploded the building with.

    Now, your physics lesson, which you won’t have a clue because you don’t understand a damn thing about science. But I’ll try.

    Potential energy is defined as mass x gravity x height. Very simple. Your example of a brick is a bad one, because even a brick dropped from the top of say the Empire State building will cause more than just a crack in the sidewalk. But’s let’s make things even more simple.

    Kinetic energy is energy in motion – in this case, a 110 story building weight hundreds of thousands of tons. The formula for it if memory serves is ke = 1/2 mass x velocity squared.

    Let’s take a one ton meteor traveling at 30,000 mph. So the energy of the impact will be (and we will cancel the gravity portion for simplicity sake):

    .5 X 2000lbs * (13441 meters per second) ^2 = 179,854,921,000

    Now, I have read that each building was estimated to weight 331,000,000kg.

    So taking the same formula, factoring say a speed of 50mph falling (which is probably way underestimated), you get

    .5*331,000,000*2.2 (for lbs) * (22.4mps)^2 = 182,690,816,000

    In other words, each building would have left a bigger crater on the surface than a one ton meteor hitting the ground traveling at 30,000 mph.

    So I ask you. Do you think a meteor weight as much as a small car traveling straight down at 30,000mph might leave more than a dent in the street?

    Idiot…

  • 234. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 7, 2011 at 2:28 am

    It’s still God giving a command to kill. Who cares what it’s for?

    Is God so weak he can’t do his own killing? Why did he need to give people over to man to kill for him?

    This is nothing but another copout using religion to justify killing people. It’s been going on for thousands of years and every faith has done it.

  • 235. poolman  |  March 7, 2011 at 9:23 am

    will you please answer where are the traces of residue of the “demolition?” Every explosive leaves a trace….where’s the evidence of C4, Urea, TNT, whatever you think they imploded the building with.

    No problemo. Here is proof of traces of residue as determined by an expert.

    Now, your physics lesson, which you won’t have a clue because you don’t understand a damn thing about science. But I’ll try.

    No offense, but I’ll prefer a science lesson from based on an MIT engineer’s analysis of the event. Stick to what you know. Otherwise learn from those who do.

  • 236. Alfie  |  March 7, 2011 at 9:45 am

    I’m begging you all to stop encouraging the tin foil hat brigadier

  • 237. bvilleyellowdog  |  March 7, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Simple answer R – the regressives have ignored Gates – and are flogging a new expedition in Libya. With Iraq and afghanistan winding down they need new arms markets. Wars are good for neocons.

  • 238. Rutherford  |  March 7, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Dog, I cannot believe we are actually contemplating military intervention in Libya. To protect the people? BS — where were we when people were being slaughtered in Darfur?

    We’ve lost our minds. As I said on my “radio” show yesterday, I’m becoming more and more isolationist in my political philosophy. We are too screwed at home to keep poking our nose in elsewhere.

  • 240. Alfie  |  March 7, 2011 at 11:34 am

    NeoCons…good groupthink vocab word. Reality must be repeated though that the neocons are the descendants of American Socialists.
    No fly zones in recent US history were always initiated by (D)’s elitists who failed to think through the scenarios. C-L-I-N-T-O-N
    The current internationalist chatter about a no fly zone op over Libya is the same ole thing.
    Again continued half assing of Gates comments for bolstering partisan agenda rhetoric shows it knows no shame.
    Still glad I returned R?

  • 241. Rutherford  |  March 7, 2011 at 11:42 am

    LOL Alfie … you should know by now I have no problem with dissenting opinions. By the way, welcome to Twitter! :-)

  • 242. poolman  |  March 7, 2011 at 11:44 am

    In what way does our intervention in Libya help their people or provide for our(America’s) common defense? Obviously war profiteer’s and Israel’s interests are paramount. Spin it anyway you want, we are no longer a nation of peace.

  • 243. Alfie  |  March 7, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Who said
    1 The USA is a nation of peace
    2 That we’re intervening currently
    ??

  • 244. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Alfie is right. Why I even engage a dunce like you Al-Poolman is foolish in itself. I guess I find myself hoping if I explain something to you in practical terms, you’ll “get it.” Alfie is right – you’re a nut that believes what he wants to believe, truth be damned.

    I’m taking Alfie’s advice after this. But once again, I fell obliged to debunk your stupidity and bogus claims. I would have thought a fan of YouTube would have checked before posting….YouTube is the basis of your “scientific” know how.

  • 245. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    That’s it Poolman. Blame the “intervention” in Libya on Israel….how does our “intervention”, which by the way our Where’s Waldo President appears to once again voted “Present”, and asked the Sauds to do it, help Israel in any way?

    I believe our intervention is to save anti Ghadafi types. Is there a conspiracy to this too? Have the Israelis, those hateful Jew types, brainwashed the poor people of Libya too?

    Jews, so clever. :roll:

  • 246. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Welcome back Alfie – your sensical approach is a welcome after trying to discuss something of importance with “transgressives” like Yeller Dawg.

    Piece of work, isn’t he? What’s more terrifying is that we actually share a country with dolts like this.

  • 247. poolman  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    I’ll let your hero ‘splain what he knows…

  • 248. Alfie  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Aww c’mon let’s discuss #243 without going into coo coo land its relative to the post and at least 2 on the opposition seem to care….

  • 249. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    I’m tempted at this point to get Yeller Dawg’s “expertise” about controlled demolitions. Rutherford, any chance you can set up another “Roman Coliseum” room, where Yeller and Al-Poolman could converse to their delight?

    I can remember not too many months back when I was debating Rutherford, Wally Curator, Graychin, and Jim Dougan. I was never embarrassed to do so. Now I’m left with your periodic pop in and two rejects from La La land.

    So Mr. Rutherford, please remember the good old days and recognize M&H hags have nothing on your Leftist regulars now. Kind of parallels ‘The One’s” political aspirations – circling the drain.

  • 250. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Anything we could do to expedite Ghaddafi’s exit from the earth, or better yet bring him to the United States for trial to hang for crimes against humanity would be a good thing in my book.

    Obama would go up in my opinion about ten notches if he was to show some balls for once and try and make a difficult decision without holding his index finger in the air.

    Ironically, I find myself agreeing with John Kerry for once, perhaps the first time in my life, and opposing Robert Gates.

  • 251. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Speaking of weak leadership, less than 30 months ago, oil prices spiked to an all-time record of $147 per barrel. The Left back then criticized George Bush unmercifully for “collusion” with big oil. Anybody remember the evil Exxon Mobil profiteers?

    Strange silence from the Left now. And the spike is being accomplished once again by hedge fund managers, which I told liberals back then was the reason and they ignored it.

    It took 30 whole months for America to forget why we should have been drilling, and our government, the same government the Left wants to manage your health care, hasn’t done a damn thing besides stop off shore drilling.

    Obama and Co. couldn’t be anymore lame if they tried.

  • 252. El Tigre  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    You mean that neo-con/regressive Kerry?

  • 253. Rutherford  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Who said
    1 The USA is a nation of peace
    2 That we’re intervening currently

    Well, Alfie I do think Americans consider themselves a nation of peace if we define that as a nation that doesn’t go looking for a fight. We fight when provoked. I think most Americans would agree with that definition.

    Second, it isn’t what we’re “currently” doing that bothers me. It’s the fact we are actually contemplating doing something. The Libyan civil war is none of our damn business. We are not the world police.

  • 254. El Tigre  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    “Obama and Co. couldn’t be anymore lame if they tried.”

    Helloooooo??? Bing-bong:

    1. Repeal of DADT
    2. First attempt at historic health care reform.
    3. Bringing the country back from the brink of economic disaster.
    4. Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act

  • 255. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Pass this along to your wives….I want my wife to be as happy as can be.

    P.S. – and it’s “cheap” too! :smile:

    http://www.yourtango.com/proconnect/201172807/does-semen-make-women-happy

  • 256. El Tigre  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    A win, win.

  • 257. El Tigre  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    . . . although it sure as hell ain’t cheap.

  • 258. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    That’s right Tigre. The NeoCon regressive John Kerry. :lol: Contrasted with Emoticon transgressive Yeller Dawg.

    Second, it isn’t what we’re “currently” doing that bothers me. It’s the fact we are actually contemplating doing something. The Libyan civil war is none of our damn business. We are not the world police.

    I thought you guys were so concerned with poor, poor moderate Muslims? Or is that only when they can be used as political propaganda.

    Ghadaffi is our concern. Now is the opportunity to expedite his ass from the face of this earth – one way or another.

  • 259. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    . . . although it sure as hell ain’t cheap.

    I cede your point, but the production of the refined product is dirt cheap. Where else can you drill with 300,000,000 assistants for nothing more than a little fructose and some sweat?

    Besides, it’s the one form of exercise I will happily volunteer for.

  • 260. El Tigre  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Rutherford, didn’t you condone the invasion of Iraq under George H.?

  • 261. Alfie  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    @ R 253
    Cool I was hoping dog or even pm would chime in with something original.

  • 262. El Tigre  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    Tex, much like crude, it’s delivery that’s the problem, not production.

  • 263. poolman  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Who said
    1 The USA is a nation of peace
    2 That we’re intervening currently
    ??

    “Observe good faith and justice toward all nations. Cultivate peace and harmony with all.” – George Washington

    “We have heard much of the phrase, ”peace and friendship.” This phrase, in expressing the aspiration of America, is not complete. We should say instead, ”peace and friendship, in freedom.” This, I think, is America’s real message to the rest of the world.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower

    “Peace–a peace that preserves freedom–remains America’s first goal.” – Jimmy Carter

    “America is a Nation with a mission – and that mission comes from our most basic beliefs. We have no desire to dominate, no ambitions of empire. Our aim is a democratic peace – a peace founded upon the dignity and rights of every man and woman.” – George W Bush

    If by “we” you mean the ones who control our strings, then yes “we” are intervening…

    Israel hires 50,000 troops to help Colonel Gaddafi.

  • 264. Rutherford  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Why is NOW the time Tex? Gadaffi has been an ass for, is it 30 or 40 years now? Why is it suddenly the right time? We have, at best, an inconsistent foreign policy influenced more by “strategic interests” than any real sense of right and wrong.

    And I’m more concerned with moderate Muslims in this country than anywhere else. Of course, NY Rep Peter King will make sure that all our moderate Muslims are safe from being brainwashed. :razz:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/pol_islam_probe_on_GV59CKSAbelT7MX2VLrlQL

  • 265. Rutherford  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Regarding 254, chuckle all you want. Give me four things Bush did in eight years that have any real merit. Please don’t say “we were not attacked again”. At best, that’s a wash … we got attacked in the first place. Keeping us “safe” for the next 8 years puts us back at square one.

    I’m eager to see your list of grand Bush accomplishments. ;-)

  • 266. Alfie  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    And to coo coo land we go.
    As for VT article citing Israel sending mercs to G-Daffy’s aid. I offer up this and please please please note the source
    SPLC
    As for the platitudes…
    At the grown up table I think there a number of truths. One of those is that Pax Americana was real and a benefit to the greater good of mankind. The other is related. Pax Americana was far from squeaky clean. Again though Real Politik and the grown up table.

  • 267. El Tigre  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    I’ve never defended the Bush administration Rutherford, nor would a list of Bush accomplishments of any length alter Obama’s.

    Where’s your boy?

  • 268. Rutherford  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    didn’t you condone the invasion of Iraq under George H.?

    Tigre, I have given George 41 credit for at least having some righteous reason for the first invasion. Plus, a country attacking a weaker country is not the same as a country having internal strife. If Libya attacks Israel, then fine … let’s defend the attacked. What goes on within Libya is not our affair.

  • 269. El Tigre  |  March 7, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    “If Libya attacks Israel, then fine … let’s defend the attacked. What goes on within Libya is not our affair.”

    Is what goes on in Haiti our affair?

  • 270. Rutherford  |  March 7, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    As for VT article citing Israel sending mercs to G-Daffy’s aid. I offer up this and please please please note the source

    Alfie, alas, the danger of the Internet. Include some legit stuff, then mix in a wacko agenda, and unsuspecting folks get sold a load of crap.

    I personally love how the Internet has leveled the playing field for those willing to do legit research. The problem is there are also sites that will confirm any cockeyed pre-disposition. :-(

  • 271. poolman  |  March 7, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Tex,

    Your video in 244 is propaganda bullshit. I’m really not surprised, though. Here is the science. Follow the PDF and find the scientific data and material signature. They did a very thorough analysis and it cost several of them their jobs. Remember, the big money is on your side, the one of the debunkers.

  • 272. Rutherford  |  March 7, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    Tigre, it depends on what you mean. When a country suffers a natural disaster as Haiti did, if we have the resources to help, we should. That is not the same as a political problem within a country.

    Where do we draw the line on intervention? Let’s not forget, WE are suffering right now. We are no longer the prosperous country that can magnanimously come to the aid of everyone in need.

  • 273. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Al poolman, how is mine “propaganda”, but your’s fact? When you going to wake up that the only people who aren’t laughing at you and your gullibility are the Yeller Dawg types, Fat Granny co-conspirators, and the Heaven’s Gate crowd?

    It is hard to disdain you unlike Yeller Dawg because you’re not a bad guy and you’re helpless.

  • 274. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Why is NOW the time Tex? Gadaffi has been an ass for, is it 30 or 40 years now? Why is it suddenly the right time?

    Why? Easy…because that old tyrant is there for the taking with minimal risk. Let’s add to his misery and quietly eliminate that bastard without fanfare, without seeking glory or payback. Rutherford – carpe diem.

    We have, at best, an inconsistent foreign policy influenced more by “strategic interests” than any real sense of right and wrong.

    Yeah, I know. It’s like Obama’s foreign policy – or lack thereof.

    P.S. – what’s our energy policy now that you’re in charge? You seem strangely quiet about the evils of big oil now that President Waldo sits in the White House. Cat got your tongue “R”?

  • 275. poolman  |  March 7, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Alfie, I find the SPLC somewhat of a joke. This link ought to give Tex a chuckle, too.

    BWaaaahaahaa….

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/southern-poverty-law-centers-enemies-list-a-fantasy/

  • 276. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 7, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Us using force to help oust Momar sounds great on this side of things. But what happens when someone equally shitty comes in to fill the vacuum? Next thing you know we’ll be hearing how it was all a plot for us to shove our weight around in the Middle East just like we always do.

    I say let the EU take care of this one. It’s their backyard, anyway.

  • 277. poolman  |  March 7, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    how is mine “propaganda”, but your’s fact?

    In this case, I tend to believe 9 scientists from a chemical physics journal over a 25 year old blogger who may or may not be a real person. Besides, several lost their jobs for standing up for truth and Steve Jones was offered a huge bribe to change his results.

    So aside from the real science, I find these guys more credible. Maybe it’s just me. :neutral:

  • 278. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Yeah, I read that Poolman. Great stuff, isn’t it?

    Far as I know, besides Fake and Graychin, the only people in this world who consider me a terrorist are the SPLC because I’m the trifecta of terrorist thought: (1) Pro-life, (2) Like Rambo movies, (3) Like Tom Clancy novels. :smile:

    And since you’re a troofer and professed Christian, that makes you a terrorist too Poolman. See, we have something in common.

    The SPLC is a sick joke, made up of mostly ACLU types (many secular Jews as in JINO), who define anybody and anything not wiping the sweat from the balls of President Waldo as terrorists. Now there are some Jews I do roundly condemn.

  • 279. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    Us using force to help oust Momar sounds great on this side of things. But what happens when someone equally shitty comes in to fill the vacuum? Next thing you know we’ll be hearing how it was all a plot for us to shove our weight around in the Middle East just like we always do.

    No doubt a risk Huck, and I’m sure you’re right – somebody equally “shitty” does fill the vacuum.

    However, short of Al-Qaida, nobody has killed more Americans under the banner of terrorist, and I want Gadaffi brought to justice with a noose around his neck – Wanted Dead or Alive stuff. And I want that bastard for one fleeting moment before the floor drops out to know like Saddam who helped put him there. :smile:

  • 280. Alfie  |  March 7, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    yeah poolman the vanity press for profit is real peer review stuff.

    As for the SPLC I offered it for a number of reasons. Love them or hate them like any entity they should not be taken as the be all end all. On the other hand if you look through their work you can easily connect dots and add it to other independent research.
    That said as far as VT the SPLC has a point.

  • 281. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    Rutherford, can we add this one to the list of why we celebrate Black History Month? :twisted:

    http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/local/brawl-mars-dmv-music-awards-outside-washington-030711

  • 282. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 7, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Tex, I want him gone, too. I just want us to have the best of both worlds.

    He can be gone and we can let someone else do it. Let the EU be the bad guy. Because, rest assured, whoever helps in Libya will get that label by the end of this. We’ve seen that play out too many times.

  • 283. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 7, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    So I entered the world of Twitter in order to get up-to-the-minute news headlines. Does anyone know of any kind of applications that would allow me to see them on my desktop, rather than messing with the Twitter page?

  • 284. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    Huck,

    You think Ghaddafi will be desposed? If it’s a matter of waiting a couple of weeks until they lynch him, then you’re probably right.

    But I have to admit, though I have no love for the Muslim Middle East as you better than anybody would know, I’m not comfortable about some asshole and thug indiscriminately bombing anyone walking the streets when we’ve got the power to stop it with minimal risk to our pilots.

    I’ll bet a couple of F22s with American pilots could put an end to that crap in about two days. Shoot a few of those bastards down before they make it out of town.

    Anyway, you know they’re going to blame us if we act or not.

  • 285. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    desposed? WTF…

    deposed. :oops:

  • 286. El Tigre  |  March 7, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Look out for Baby Doc, or hell, another Rwanda genocide.

  • 287. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 7, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Tex, I don’t know if he’s going to be deposed. I am done making predictions and am just watching the spectacle like everyone else.

    But I would say that a no-fly-zone isn’t just about patrolling airspace and shooting down aircraft. It also involves bombing air defenses, runways, and the like. And as we know, any time you are dropping explosives from the air, accidents can happen. All we need is for 1 bomb that says “Made in America” to fall in some civilian area (that is being used as a shield) and it will neutralize anything else we are attempting to do there.

  • 288. Rutherford  |  March 7, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    “Does anyone know of any kind of applications that would allow me to see them on my desktop, rather than messing with the Twitter page?”

    Tweetdeck

  • 289. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Maybe that’s the problem Huck. We as Americans always seem to pull out the hammer when we see everything as a nail. And maybe that is why you and I have the same wishes but draw different conclusions.

    Now, I’m not a military strategist, nor an expert on Libya. But I would have to think that their capabilities of infrastructure are pretty limited at launching flights – especially outside of Tripoli. Call me naive, but I’m wondering if just the threat of us being there, say a real showy buzz of Ghaddafi’s palace wouldn’t send a clear enough message, without bombing the air defenses, the runways, and the like. In fact, without launching one bomb. Time to put that stealth technology to the test.

    The Israelis did that to the dictatorial thug al-Assad when the loudly flew right over the presidential palace in Damascus a few years back, and the message seemed to have been received.

  • 290. Hucking Fypocrites  |  March 7, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Tex, buzzing palaces with stealth technology contradicts each other. Buzzing is only effective if someone can see/hear you. And if they can do those things, they can also shoot at you. We can’t put our guys in a position where they are being engaged and can’t fire back. As soon as planes are engaging ground targets then we have more potential for accidents/PR nightmares.

    Rutherford, I like that Twitter app alot but its a bit big on the desktop, even when made as small as it can be. Any chance you know of something with a window that is a bit less prominent on my screen?

  • 291. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    Huck, they can’t see us, but they’ll damn sure hear it – trust me on this one. I saw one of these F-22’s at an aviator show, and Ghadaffi’s ass will be bounced out of bed by the reverberations. That’s why I always amused by some of these aircraft being classified as “surveillance”, like the AV8B. I was about a quarter mile away (I guess) once watching on being refitted on a tarmac and it shook the ground where I stood. What are they going to survey? Enemy teeth rattling? :smile:

    Give Moammar a couple of sonic booms at mach 2 and we’ll give a few of his statues of himself a crack or two too! Pretty damn hard to shoot down a jet traveling at Mach 2, and I’m not asking our pilots to go unarmed. Just don’t shoot unless required.

    It may not be possible, I sure would like to see us ponder the possibilities.

    If I’m not mistaken, the only stealth plane shot down was in Kosovo, and I understand that was a fluke, as it cruised at low elevation and speed.

  • 292. Rutherford  |  March 7, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Any chance you know of something with a window that is a bit less prominent on my screen?

    Huck, if all you want is your feed of the folks you follow, you can delete every other column in Tweetdeck if I’m not mistaken.

    That said you can try Twhirl which has a much smaller footprint on the desktop but I don’t like it much.

  • 293. Rutherford  |  March 7, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    The best part of Tex’s war strategy is that he totally ignores that he is dealing with a lunatic. Do you really think Gadaffi scares easy? Didn’t we already kill a couple of his kids a decade or so ago? That didn’t phase him.

    I say we leave well enough alone and spend our energy planning for what to do when Saudi Arabia goes belly up. Then we’ll REALLY be screwed! ($10.00 a gallon anyone???)

  • 294. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Didn’t we already kill a couple of his kids a decade or so ago? That didn’t phase him.

    Doesn’t scare easily? Is that why Moammar the Ugly abandoned his nuclear strategy and started providing intelligence when we attacked Iraq? Oh, he scares like any other man when we’re determined. And Reagan did indeed scare the hell out of him.

    And you still haven’t answered my question Mr. Uber Lib about why you’ve grown “strangely” silent in your accusation of Waldo Obama colluding with “Evil Big Oil” like you did Bush?

    Cat still got your tongue?

  • 295. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Huck, in my old age, I have the customary brain fart at least once a day now – sometimes on the hour.

    I meant to say reconnaissance when I said surveillance. I adopt more of the case of dumbass everyday since I put my brain on autopilot upon leaving the pursuit of Marcus Welby, M.D.

  • 296. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    By the way Rutherford. One thing you forget. Though you are correct that Ghaddafi a lunatic (and a frightened one), we don’t have to scare Ghaddafi. He’s a desperate man.

    We have to scare his minion thugs, who when they put their ass in their seat, contemplate if it’s the last time their ass will still be attached upon landing back on the ground, and if maybe if it wouldn’t be better if they detoured straight to Malta as fast as their jet can fly :wink:

  • 297. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Oh, I’ve been meaning all day to congratulate you Obama fans who put Waldo in the White House while you peed in your pants at his “glory.”

    Today, President Waldo was able to accomplish something that we used to think impractical. Seems the Waldo Obama government ran up the biggest monthly deficit in history?

    How big you ask?

    Oh, more than all of George Bush’s 2007 annual deficit. You guys are spectacular (at failure). CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/7/government-posts-biggest-monthly-deficit-ever/

  • 298. Rutherford  |  March 7, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Tex, great quote from the article you just posted:

    Last month’s federal deficit is nearly four times as large as the spending cuts House Republicans have passed in their spending bill, and is more than 30 times the size of Senate Democrats’ opening bid of $6 billion.

    Oh yeah … the GOP is real serious about cutting spending. I know you hate spending time at Graychin’s blog but he’s posted some numbers today that make it plain how the GOP is playing pure ideological games with the deficit. It’s a damn shame.

  • 299. Rutherford  |  March 7, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    As for Bush vs Obama oil policy, what can I say? I’m no expert on this like Sarah Palin (gag) but I’m a big fan of investing lots of dinero into alternative forms of energy. Drilling for oil locally is a lot like my spending my wife’s 401K after mine is vanquished. It’s a finite resource that will eventually run dry. We need to get off it.

  • 300. poolman  |  March 7, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    I have enjoyed Gilad Atzmon’s POV. He is one of 74 regular contributors on VT, along with Pakistani General Hamid Gul, James Petras, Sibel Edmonds, Dr. Alan Sabrosky, and others I respect that the Zionist media has black-listed. He also has expressed his views on other alternate news sources. Here is an interview with him on Voltairenet, a source I admire and respect. He is very outspoken against Zionism and he was born and raised in Israel. I think his commentary is right on the money and explains the various current Jewish philosophies.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article168623.html

  • 301. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    I can see Al-Poolman where you would be a fan of “Voltaire”.NET.

    Voltaire, the pantheist and mentor to Karl Marx. Get your head around this, straight out of Wiki and long before those evil Zionist Jooos reclaimed Israel in 1948.

    According to the rabbi Joseph Telushkin the most significant of Enlightenment hostility against Judaism was found in Voltaire,

    Here’s betting your an abomination to Jesus Christ Al-Poolman. :wink:

  • 302. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    Rutherford, Graychin is a rank propagandist and coward, on the order of say Joseph Goebbels. He is not a serious player, debator or person of any real regard, as indicated by Graychin’s continual rants of racism, while living in the most insulated white zip code in the nation. If it wasn’t meant to be serious and so farcical, I could actually take Graychin’s preaching as parody. He’s the “smart” version of Yeller Dawg The Transgressive.

    As far as Republicans not “being serious” about reducing the deficit? Maybe not. But one thing if for sure. No matter how flippant Republicans may be about the deficit, it is an impossibility that Barack Obama and his league of psychopants and rubes sucking his toes to this day, of which you are one, have intention of reducing anything, and are still pushing for more ludicrous nanny government intervention.

    You still haven’t grasp the reality of last Nov. 2nd.

  • 303. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Shiite….you’re, not your in my address to Al-Poolman.

  • 304. poolman  |  March 7, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    Tex,

    always attacking the messenger and never reading the message. Gilad’s in a much better position to know the truth than you or I. He is a seeker of truth and his words resonate with my spirit. You either risk learning something new daily or remaining in your comfort zone. I will choose the risk. I wasn’t called to a life of comfort. I know no true believers who are.

  • 305. Tex Taylor  |  March 7, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    Right. That’s like saying Michael Moore is a much better position to know the truth than I am. He’s a seeker of truth too. :roll:

    What’s the purpose of learning something new when it’s untrue and dishonest, or worse malicious and destructive? I could listen to a drug dealer and learn something new too. Your pal is a self-loathing Jew Poolman, and I think you traffic in this stuff. There’s a bad history of self-loathing Jews, from Marx to Soros.

    And don’t give me your hooey about called into service Al-Poolman and stepping out of your comfort zone. Good grief – this isn’t a foxhole we’re sitting in.. Neither one of go to bed hungry. Half your day is spent like mine – jacking around on the internet. Nobody has it easier than we Americans do. And that’s a large part of our problem right now.

    The fact is, your struggles like mine are self made, as you borrow trouble most of the time. Like I said before Poolman, perhaps your heart’s intent is in the right place as you seem the likable good old boy – and I’m a good old boy too. But as we both know, to borrow a cliche, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

    I would suggest as a professed Christian like you, you should take a few days and reevaluate your place in life. I think your thinking is muddled and not clear headed for a Christian.

  • 306. fakename2  |  March 7, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Re: Gates and Libya. Last week, I read a newspaper article which quoted Gates as saying that even talking about a no-fly zone is “loose talk” and would amount to an act of war. Then today I heard on NPR that U.S. warships are moving closer to the coast of Libya. Then the CBS evening news said that NATO is “monitoring” Libya from the air. So who the hell knows what our real plans and intentions are.

  • 307. fakename2  |  March 7, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    It is maddening to know that he is bombing his own people, but nevertheless, I hope we are done with that unliateral action scenario.

  • 308. Tex Taylor  |  March 8, 2011 at 12:03 am

    If Jim Dougan were still alive, maybe now he would understand why I am such a rage against higher education and its empty promises. Get this fact:

    College has gotten a lot more expensive. A recent Money magazine report notes: “After adjusting for financial aid, the amount families pay for college has skyrocketed 439 percent since 1982. … Normal supply and demand can’t begin to explain cost increases of this magnitude.”

    This kind of rip off infuriates me. I’d like to shit can about half the collegiate professors that currently walk on campuses.

  • 309. Tex Taylor  |  March 8, 2011 at 1:48 am

    Want to hear a short story about irony of ironies?

    Anyone remember the infamous Duke 88 professors who wrote the letter of guilt-presuming public statement two weeks into the Duke lacrosse case, The Lacrosse players were accused amongst other things as racists, in addition to being thuggish rapists, though later found innocent?

    Well, one of those professors tonight just happened to be a guest commentator on a PBS documentary about Auschwitz. I assume this is about two years old. At the end, they have a question and answer session, where “experts” and “distinguished guests” talks about “people can not operate with impunity” for their egregious behavior to prevent this type of bad behavior.

    Tonight, Tex wrote the Duke “distinguished” professor an email telling her how right she was. She will not be allowed to operate with impunity, and at least one person in this world will remember her as one of the world’s biggest hypocrites, a Lib no doubt. :twisted:

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