Bangkok Comes to the Super Bowl and other Tidbits

January 21, 2011 at 5:18 pm 211 comments

Bangkok Comes to the Super Bowl

A good fifteen years ago I read about how American tourists, men, would travel to Bangkok for the express purpose of paying for child sex. The trips were basically booked as sex tours. One thought that went through my head when I read it was “well, at least not in America”. It’s not that I am so naive to believe that every prostitute in the US is eighteen or older. I just didn’t think that outright child sex trafficking went on in America.

Then earlier this week I got an e-mail from Change.org which opened with:

Dear Rutherford,

Every year, children as young as 11 are trafficked involuntarily to Super Bowl cities. There, football fans – usually men, often inebriated – will pay traffickers to have sex with them.

Now as much as I admire Change.org’s mission to right wrongs and fight injustice, their e-mails tend to be on the Debbie Downer side, each one more depressing than the one before. So when I read this, I immediately asked myself is anyone covering this besides Change.org or is this melodrama? A quick Google search ended any doubt immediately. This from McClatchy back in February of last year:

Two dozen volunteers from around the country gathered inside a Miami conference room earlier this week to prepare for the Super Bowl.

They’re not here for the game, though, but to spend several days fanning out through the city to rescue underage girls who have been trafficked to South Florida as sex workers.

….

Ernie Allen, who heads the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, said girls typically enter prostitution at age 11 or 12.

“This is truly an example of supply and demand,” said Allen. “They use these kids as commodities for sale or trade, and go to where demand is the greatest, and where they can make the most money. That’s why they follow events like the Super Bowl.”

via Volunteers fight dark side of Super Bowl: child prostitution | McClatchy.

So, it turns out pedophiles don’t need to travel to Bangkok to get their fix. I’m not a big football fan to begin with but it sure does seem to take a bit of luster off the game to contemplate as you’re watching the fourth quarter action that some of the fans in the stands are looking forward to scoring with an 11-year-old.

The Civil War was about Slavery, Imagine That!

I always get a kick out of the Conservative habit of re-writing history to suit their ideology. One the latest memes to surface is that the civil war was not really about slavery but about much much more. In their Five Myths series, the Washington Post (and author James Loewen specifically) takes on five myths about the Civil War. Three of these myths gave me a big kick:

1. The Civil War was about States rights. Myth! The South believed in a strong federal government and was angry that the Fed was not enforcing slavery related laws in the North.

2. The Civil War was about high tariffs and taxes. Myth! Hysteria over high interstate taxes peaked under Andrew Jackson in 1833. The tariffs in effect in 1860 were written by Southerners in 1857 and were the lowest they’d been in decades.

3. Most white Southerners didn’t own slaves so slavery could not be the driving force behind the war. Myth! While it is true that most Southerners did not own slaves, most aspired to own them. It was emblematic of having made it, of having entered the upper class. To end slavery would be to end one of the cultural touchstones of nobility in the South. So those who did not own slaves still had a lot vested in the ability to own them.

The next time you’re tempted to celebrate the Confederacy, remember what it was really about, enslaving fellow human beings and treating them like property.

Reaping What You Sow

Could someone please explain to me why we elect an evangelical Christian and then get our panties in a knot when he acts like … wait for it … an evangelical Christian? Robert Bentley, the new Governor of Alabama made quite a splash this week when he said, “Anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I’m telling you, you’re not my brother and you’re not my sister, and I want to be your brother.” He subsequently apologized after the left and separation of church and state, and anti-defamation groups lost their lunch. But should he have apologized? I say no.

Let’s start with the location. He made the statement in a church service following his inauguration. He assumed, I think rightfully, that he was addressing fellow believers. But let’s also examine what he said. “I want to be your brother.” That is exactly what evangelical Christianity is all about. It is the belief that everyone needs to be saved. It is the belief that it is the duty of the devout to turn others to Christ and save their souls from eternal damnation. Bentley’s comment was completely consistent with his belief system and stated in a completely appropriate venue. To my knowledge, Bentley did not campaign as an atheist, a Jew or a Muslim.

Bottom line: Alabama got what it paid for. Now let’s just pray that Romney, Huckabee or Palin doesn’t choose Bentley as their running mate in 2012.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  • 1. El Tigre  |  January 21, 2011 at 6:05 pm

  • 2. dead rabbit  |  January 21, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    I haven’t even finished the entry and had to stop and post.

    Dude, the Civil War not being fought over slavery is a Leftist meme! It was all the rage for liberals to point this out on college campuses every time somebody pointed out the great sacrifice this nation went through to end the peculiar institution.

    Sometimes its so obvious your conclusions come from one source, usually a left leaning pop media outfit.

    Repeat. The leftist mantra on the Civil War was that it was NOT fought over slavery.

  • 3. dead rabbit  |  January 21, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    The dude was in church. So who gives a fuck! What rock do you lift to get this shit!

  • 4. Rutherford  |  January 21, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    Regarding 3 …. Rabbit you DO realize I agree with you, don’t you?

  • 5. dead rabbit  |  January 21, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Who’s panties are in a bunch? And why?

  • 6. Tex Taylor  |  January 21, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    I am glad to read that was the location – the church and not the state capital. At the capital, it would have been inappropriate. Render into Caesar’s…but at church its the same message I would have given. That is the message of Jesus Christ and the Great Commission.

    However, at least on the appropriateness of the point, Rutherford and I agree. Unbelievable!

    As far as slavery being the premise behind the war? I had been taught it was both states rights and slavery – slavery being a part of the state’s right. I guess my history teacher was inclusive… :smile:

    And finally about the child and sex slaves. In NYC one time about 16-17 years ago, I was approached by a girl on 42nd street before Rudy cleaned that cesspool up, and I know she wasn’t more than fourteen. And no, I wasn’t looking to be solicited. I was actually walking down to see the Empire State Building and probably looked the tourist.

    I’ll bet under age prostitution is huge in every major city in the U.S. The fact it would be at the Superbowl where money flows more freely doesn’t surprise me.

  • 7. fakename2  |  January 21, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    I’m confused about the Leftist meme thing. Do liberals think the war was not fought over slavery? Or do they think it was, and and liberals are just accusing others of thinking it wasn’t when they really don’t? Hard to sort out all those double negatives.
    I think I can safely generalize and say that liberals believe the war was essentially over slavery, no matter how you try to dress it up with “state’s rights”. If you believe that no one ever believed, claimed to, or still does believe that it was about anything other than slavery, then you are living in the wrong part of the country.

  • 8. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 21, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    Buh-bye. Buh-bye. Bye-bye.

    http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2011/01/21/olbermann-out-at-msnbc/

  • 9. fakename2  |  January 21, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    I must have missed the part where Keith Olbermann was mentioned or had anything to do with this post.

  • 10. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 21, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    I must have missed the part where Keith Olbermann was mentioned or had anything to do with this post.

    I guess I missed the part where I answered to you for…well, pretty much anything, actually.

    You’re kind of like the brown noser who always wants to point out to the teacher whenever someone else is committing a minor infraction. Even the law-abiding don’t much like a snitch, and I’m still waiting for you to contribute anything of even a passing value to the conversations conducted here. Now why don’t you run along, and let the rest of us enjoy watching Rutherford’s guiding star crater.

  • 11. dead rabbit  |  January 21, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    You must have also missed the part where we don’t give a fuck that you feel the need to come over here and play lunch lady, fakename.

    I don’t know why I respond to your trite comments, as I have never seen you back one thing up. EVER.

    The standard leftist take on the Civil War was that it was NOT fought over slavery, but rather, two competing economic systems both jockeying to control and oppress the masses.

    To start off, why don’t you read the bible of all progressive/liberal historians: A People’s History by Howard Zinn.

    You know what else I’m going to do, fakename?

    I’m going to bitch about winter.

    Yeah, thats right.

    I fucking hate the shit.

    Now, I’m going to post some sappy nostalgic music and reminisce about how much I love going out fishing during the summer.

  • 12. fakename2  |  January 21, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Seriously, LOL. No one likes a snitch? Are we in the third grade in elementary school? I’m pointing out (again) that no matter what Rutherford posts about, you and your compadres will allways bring it back around to what you want to talk about.

  • 13. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 21, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    Seriously, LOL. No one likes a snitch? Are we in the third grade in elementary school? I’m pointing out (again) that no matter what Rutherford posts about, you and your compadres will allways bring it back around to what you want to talk about.

    and if it weren’t for us, the conversation around here would be a lot slimmer, hopelessly boring, and as illuminating as a 15 watt bulb.
    Now run along.

  • 14. fakename2  |  January 21, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    Rabbit…I already told you that if you think “backing up” is posting multiple links to someone who agrees with me, I don’t do that. And you don’t do it either.
    If you really think it is a leftist view that the Civil War was fought over “two competing economic systems”….I don’t know what to tell you. Because I don’t know who thinks that except racists in denial.
    It was ironic to me that you and others kept talking about “shame” in Rutherford’s recent posts. But you called him “Gollum”. That is shame.

  • 15. dead rabbit  |  January 21, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    Ella Fakename
    Clicks on the Rutherford Lawon’s blog
    Lives in a dream.
    Waits at the window,
    Wearing a face that she keeps in a jar by the door.
    Who is it for?
    All the lonely people, where do they all come from?
    All the lonely people, where do they all belong?

    AHHHHHHH I look at all the lonely people.
    AHHHHHHHHHI look at all the lonely people.

  • 16. dead rabbit  |  January 21, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    “Rabbit…I already told you that if you think “backing up” is posting multiple links”

    Oh no….links are not what I’m after.

  • 17. dead rabbit  |  January 21, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    “.I don’t know what to tell you. Because I don’t know who thinks that except racists in denial.”

    Ok….Howard Zinn is a racist…..I kind of like where this is going….

  • 18. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 21, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    Ok….Howard Zinn is a racist…..I kind of like where this is going….

    Most leftists are…and sexist to boot. That’s why gender and identity politics are more important than simply being Americans to them.

  • 19. dead rabbit  |  January 21, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    ” But you called him “Gollum”. That is shame.”-”R

    Why?….the man acts just like Gollum when it comes to Sara Palin? I stick by it.

    You know what else you don’t get? I have been coming here for over 3 years. Hell, the Rutherford Lawson Blog was aware of the birth of my son before my damn family was.

    I’ve posted a ton of shit on here that wasn’t any where near the subject matter of the blog. He doesn’t care.

    Now, check it out fakename, I’m going to show you a magic trick.

    Let me get my wand.

    And…now the magic words…..dang I hate this medieval font….ok…I think I got it.

    Titity fat; pussy gnat, fellatioooooooooo
    I say the naughty words to make fakename gooooooo!

    Pooof!

    Fuck! …..It’s Greychin…..in a Paul Bunyan outfit!!!!…..damn it!!!!…..I need to get this magic down better.

  • 20. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 22, 2011 at 12:03 am

    Fuck! …..It’s Greychin…..in a Paul Bunyan outfit!!!!…..damn it!!!!…..I need to get this magic down better.

    Instead of a blue ox named Babe, he has a yellow dawg.

  • 21. dead rabbit  |  January 22, 2011 at 12:07 am

    Lol…

  • 22. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 22, 2011 at 12:23 am

    I am in f*cking shock! Was there any warning? A lib voice silenced. Comcast will turn MSNBC into Fox. Sh*t

    Its their property. They can do what they want. If CNN wants to tank their ratings, they can hire him.

  • 23. Tex Taylor  |  January 22, 2011 at 12:30 am

    I’ve got to admit. This post is like a potpourri of items. Rutherford must have had these filed under miscellaneous.

    Fake, why would you have a problem with links? Unless there’s something original you’ve thought up and you couldn’t because this is history being debated, what other more efficient way to debate than a link or an excerpt?

    Opinion is one thing and we all provide a bit. But how else do you learn besides either reading or listening to material?

    It’s like linking to page something in a text book. I’m sure those animal posts of yours are at least in part referenced from some material you’ve read. Right?

  • 24. Tex Taylor  |  January 22, 2011 at 12:32 am

    Good news about Keith Olbermann, but they’ve only substituted somebody as equally rabid. I can’t think of anybody more deserving of getting the boot, besides maybe Joyless Baher.

    Lawrence O’Donnell may be as pretentious and sanctimonious as Olbermann.

  • 25. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 22, 2011 at 12:42 am

    May be???

  • 26. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 22, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Tex, Comcast is doing it wrong.

    I’d have a bloodletting like a news agency has never witnessed.

    Then I’d hire the staff of the East Jesus High School Paper, and have more journalistic integrity there than ever before.

  • 27. Tex Taylor  |  January 22, 2011 at 1:01 am

    BIC,

    I don’t know. I kind of like the drip, drip, drip of watching these “feckless” lib broadcasters frogmarched to the curb one by one. That way we get plenty of time to insult them on their way to oblivion. :smile:

    Rutherford will definitely be stressed now. Between this bit of bad news about Keith Buttlips being booted and Obama dying his hair, it’s been a rough week on libs.

  • 28. Rutherford  |  January 22, 2011 at 1:50 am

    Rabbit, how did you write comment #2 without your head exploding? You tell me on the one hand that the civil war not being about slavery is a leftist meme and then tell me I got the opposite story from “left leaning pop media”.

    So do tell … which story is “leftist”, the slavery story or the tax/tariff story?

  • 29. Rutherford  |  January 22, 2011 at 1:52 am

    BiW I wondered which of you would gloat about Olbermann first. Congrats on your speedy trigger finger.

    Needless to say, I am royally pissed. A lousy end to a lousy week. :mad:

  • 30. Rutherford  |  January 22, 2011 at 1:56 am

    Rabbit regarding the Boards of Canada, I have to ask YOU … where do you find this stuff?

  • 31. Rutherford  |  January 22, 2011 at 2:05 am

    If CNN wants to tank their ratings, they can hire him.

    It had absolutely NOTHING to do with ratings. Granted, Olbermann was getting his ass kicked by Fox but he was beating CNN in that time slot and he had the highest rated show in their lineup. The firing was politically motivated.

    I swear, if I weren’t so addicted to the damn boob tube I’d cancel my f*cking Comcast subscription tomorrow.

    BTW … although I was shocked, I should not have been. Comcast moved MSNBC from the basic (no converter box needed) lineup to the scrambled more expensive digital lineup. They left Fox unscrambled. I knew right then and there what kind of bullsh*t politics was going down.

  • 32. bvilleyellowdog  |  January 22, 2011 at 3:22 am

    Just left Vietnam. More religous freedom there than in Okiehoma.

  • 33. Hucking Fypocrites  |  January 22, 2011 at 4:15 am

    Probably more of this, too.

  • 34. Hucking Fypocrites  |  January 22, 2011 at 4:22 am

    So it had nothing to do with ratings, and proof is that more people were able to watch FNC?

    Huh?

  • 35. an800lbgorilla  |  January 22, 2011 at 6:23 am

    That asswhole should have been fired long ago. The fact that you’re pissed the distorter in chief of MSDNC is canned just goes to show how messed up you are.

    Don’t worry, Doughboy Schultz is next…

  • 36. Tex Taylor  |  January 22, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Just left Vietnam. More religous freedom there than in Okiehoma.

    I think you should take that as a sign from above that you should move there. We would forever be in your debt if you could take Jane Fonda with you. :wink:

    Communism is certainly more in line with your beliefs than Evangelism. The Vietnamese will have gained another useful idiot sympathizer, and Oklahoma will no longer have to pretend you’re not really here.

    ——-
    “R”,

    You know those Americans that travel to the Far East to have sex with young girls? Case in point = Yeller Dawg. That’s his idea of religious freedom – available 8 year olds. :twisted:

  • 37. fakename2  |  January 22, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Re: #19. Good to know that longevity gives you the right to engage in despicable name-calling and obscenity. I’ll bear that in mind. Technically speaking, you can’t say that Rutherford doesn’t care what you say. You can only say that he doesn’t respond to everything you say.
    Re: #23. Legitimate question, Tex. (How scary is it that you are starting to sound like the voice of reason around here lol?) I don’t have a problem with links, per se. You’d be correct in saying that I widely use links on my own blog. It’s to say “Here’s where I got this information” or “Here’s where you can read more about this”. The key word is “information”. If I’m expressing an opinion, I don’t post other people’s opinions just because they agree with me. Now before you waste a lot of time mining my blog to prove otherwise (do I know you or what?) I’m not saying I never have done it. But I will say that if I have, and any time others do, it’s worthless.

  • 38. Tex Taylor  |  January 22, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Actually Fake, I wasn’ t going to peruse the Fake blog, nor was I going to condemn you for using other people’s material to express your own. There’s only one original. :smile: We all do, and I don’t think you even need to reference the “where” unless it’s current or copyrighted. Most understand you learned it from someone, who learned it from someone….

    It was just a thought that linking is a simple way to provide facts. And if somebody has a great opinion and is more eloquent than I am about it (not difficult to do), I’ll link it to save time and space to express a thought.

    Voice of reason. :lol: Well, I never thought I’d hear that come off your fingers. Bet I never hear it again. :razz:

  • 39. Rutherford  |  January 22, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Huck I find your comment confusing. Let me try again. If Olbermann was going to be fired for losing to Fox, he would have been fired long ago.

    Olbermann was MSNBC’s highest rated primetime show. His firing was purely political.

  • 40. Rutherford  |  January 22, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Tex it’s funny what you say about original ideas. In my Freshman year there was this huge focus on plagiarism and it made me incredibly paranoid. At 18 I knew I didn’t have an original idea in my head. To make matters worse my roommate was wrongly accused of plagiarism which just increased my paranoia ten fold.

  • 41. Hucking Fypocrites  |  January 22, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Rutherford, you say it isn’t about ratings and then you snivel about moving MSNBC to a digital box, which limits the amount of people that can view it.

    Which goes to ratings.

  • 42. Tex Taylor  |  January 22, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    How’s your wife Mr. Rutherford?

  • 43. an800lbgorilla  |  January 22, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Unequivocally and without doubt, we MUST strengthen ALL laws dealing with LEFT-WING hate speech and KNIFE laws. What’s it going to take before we as a society get these hate mongers under control!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Tell us R, why do YOU think this didn’t see the light of day for so long? Here we have absoute proof of left-wing violence- nothing new really- yet no one cries the woes of your political violence. Yet you and your ilk completely distort facts on Laughner to make it into something it absolutely is not, simply because it is politically expedient for you to do so.

    I wonder, when you was your face in the morning, are you able to look into your own eyes?

    Successful propaganda is composed of equal parts deception and suppression, and the apparatchiks in the mainstream media are much better at the latter.

    They may have erred in pushing the Arizona assassination attempt beyond its ideological limits last week, but they succeeded brilliantly a few months earlier in suppressing news of a nearly lethal attempt by a genuine leftist.

    In September 2010 Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon was scheduled to speak at Penn Valley Community College in Kansas City.

    At some point, wearing black clothes and a bullet-proof vest, 22 year-old Casey Brezik bolted out of a classroom, knife in hand, and slashed the throat of a dean. As he would later admit, he confused the dean with Nixon.

    The story never left Kansas City. It is not hard to understand why. Knives lack the political sex appeal of guns, and even Keith Olbermann would have had a hard time turning Brezik into a Tea Partier.

    Indeed, Brezik seems to have inhaled just about every noxious vapor in the left-wing miasma: environmental extremism, radical Islam, anti-capitalism, anti-Zionism and Christophobia, among others.

    In his “About Me” box on Facebook, Brezik listed as his favorite quotation one from progressive poster boy, Che Guevara. The quote begins “Our every action is a battle cry against imperialism” and gets more belligerent from there.

    On his wall postings, Brezik ranted, “How are we the radical(s) (left) to confront the NEW RIGHT, if we avoid confrontation all together?”

    As good as his word, Brezik’s marched on Toronto in June 2010 to protest the G20 Summit, where he was arrested, charged, and deported. “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED,” he boasted.

    Like many on the left, Brezik seemed to have found religion.

    In reference to an article about Terry Jones and his proposed Quran burning, Brezik posted on the day before his planned assault, “This is now a Holy war. Scriptures have been desecrated. War U can’t handle. Make a choice and quick.”…

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/left_wing_climate_of_hate_and.html

  • 44. fakename2  |  January 22, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Sometimes, things happen in the middle of a Rutherford posting that distract everybody. Mostly, that’s not it.
    But R…I have to ask you. What makes you so sure that the Olbermann firing is political? All I’ve been able to find about it talks about a contract dispute, which granted, might be code. But the reasons could be economic. Maybe KO called them on what he thought was a bluff and lost. I think that’s more likely.
    Or what if it had to do with his murky personal life? Maybe he did something stupid we don’t know about yet.
    I rarely watched him, therefore I won’t really miss him. I definitely don’t think of it as the silencing of a liberal voice.

  • 45. poolman  |  January 22, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Speculation abounds regarding Olbermann’s departure. I know my wife will miss him, as she does watch him quite a bit.

    One of the reigning theories for now is that there’s a connection between Olbermann’s departure and the controversial NBC/Comcast merger that was approved by the FCC this week.

    Comcast is denying that it played any part in an Olbermann ouster, noting that the NBC deal won’t go into effect until next week. But the timing definitely smells of fish, and it’s not a stretch to imagine Comcast wanting to get rid of the liberal host. Even Glenn Beck predicted back in November that a post-merger MSNBC “won’t feature Keith Olbermann.”

  • 46. dead rabbit  |  January 22, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Rutherford, I meant that traditionally, the left likes to frame the Civil War, sans slavery.

    Yet, the pop media left will pick any passing flavor of the day.

    So now, after 20 years of the exact opposite, the left is saying its the conservatives who want to de-emphasize slavery’s role in the Civil War?

    For anyone who has spent time in a college history department, that’s laughable.

  • 47. Hucking Fypocrites  |  January 22, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    “For anyone who has spent time in a college history department, that’s laughable.”

    Quoted for emphasis.

    It is also the type of revisionist history they teach kids in the south.

  • 48. fakename2  |  January 22, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    I think Olbermann was a snark. Like Maureen Dowd. You might titter for a minute and be impressed with their control of language and their ability to skewer people who disagree with them and you.

  • 49. poolman  |  January 22, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Here we have absoute proof of left-wing violence- nothing new really- yet no one cries the woes of your political violence. Yet you and your ilk completely distort facts on Laughner to make it into something it absolutely is not, simply because it is politically expedient for you to do so.

    I guess it depends on where you get your “news” and information, and what you WANT to believe.

    It’s easy to blame Casey Brezik’s left wing politics for this violence, but the truth is that these traveling “radicals” are a drug culture and Casey Brezik was a user. The May Day riot in Asheville was another example of these “anarchists” getting high and running wild and the truth about anarchism is that troubled souls who self-medicate and drug addicts are 90% of that movement.

  • 50. fakename2  |  January 22, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    I guess I have to repeat myself. The so-called Left does not think the Civiil War was NOT about slavery. We think it was. Rabbit…you need to revisit your assumptions about the “Left”.
    And Huck is right. It’s a battle we still fight. But I also think we are where the battleground is. And we always get to a resolution first. And having done it for so long, we’re better at it. Racial divisions always come as such as surprise to people in other parts of the country.

  • 51. dead rabbit  |  January 22, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    “you need to revisit your assumptions about the “Left”.”

    Uh?

    I sited the most well received leftist history book on the market as a source.

    Take it up with Howard Zinn…not me.

    Hucking agreed with me, silly.

    We’ve both spent time in university history departments.

    The rest of what you said, doesn’t make much sense. I doubt you will elaborate in any kind of coherent way.

    As for racial divisions, while there are a few countries where it seems to be not a problem, you will be hard pressed to find many where racism isn’t a major cultural issue. Of course, many countries are homogeneous so the tiny minorities don’t quite make the news.

    Trust me, places like Iceland are the most overtly racist places I have ever seen in my life.

    So, just for fun…why don’t you name a few countries where racial divisions come as such a surprise to people?

  • 52. Rutherford  |  January 22, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Rabbit, I don’t think FN was referring to other countries but rather other places in this country besides the South. Maybe I misunderstood her.

    Also, Zinn or no Zinn, I don’t think you’ve proven your point. If liberals don’t blame the Civil War on slavery what in the world do they blame it on? The whole reason I posted that piece was that, if I recall correctly, it is one of BiW’s assertions that slavery was not the driving factor of the Civil War … and I don’t think BiW was speaking for liberals when he said it.

  • 53. Rutherford  |  January 22, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    FN, I guess the only thing I can say to your casual disdain for Olbermann is to quote a comment my wife read in the NYT:

    “Keith Olbermann was a pompous blowhard but he was OUR pompous blowhard.” :-)

  • 54. Rutherford  |  January 22, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Rutherford, you say it isn’t about ratings and then you snivel about moving MSNBC to a digital box, which limits the amount of people that can view it.

    Which goes to ratings.

    You’ve got your chronology and players tangled up.

    BEFORE Comcast ever announced the intention to buy TV properties from GE, they moved MSNBC from their basic lineup to a digital lineup while leaving FNC where it was. The obvious reason given was “we’re moving channels around to accommodate more channels”. I say BS. Comcast tends to cluster similar channels together on consecutive channel numbers. I found it very hard to believe that Comcast just coincidentally made it more expensive to watch a liberal leaning news channel vs a conservative one.

    So I knew Comcast’s colors early in the game. Once the bid to buy GE’s TV properties was announced many progressives and I got nervous about the result. Sure enough before the ink was barely dry on the FCC approval of the deal, Olbermann gets fired.

    Anyone who doesn’t think politics played a role here also believes in the tooth fairy.

  • 55. dead rabbit  |  January 22, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    My apologies. I read fakename wrong.

    I also answered your question, earlier.

    I’m off to another cancer funeral. My buddy’s Old Man died.

  • 56. Rutherford  |  January 22, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    FN, I’ve only read a bit of Maureen Dowd but I can see the snarky similarity you cite. However I would argue that Olbermann was sincerely passionate about liberal causes and truly disgusted by the never ending examples of conservative hypocrisy and inconsistency that abound. Like most sports devotees, Keith had an eye for detail and he applied it to politics. The same way he could remember ball scores, he could remember when some conservative said something before Obama and then went 180 after Obama.

    That’s why lots of folks including me loved Olbermann and forgave him his obvious faults.

  • 57. fakename2  |  January 22, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    Well R…snark does not advance the cause of mutual dialogue, If we are going to have that, then we can’t be one-upping everyone else. We can’t be saying we are smart, and you are stupid. A lot of that going around on this blog.
    Olbermann’s passion is immaterial. Glenn Beck is passionate too. That isn’t the measure. It doesn’t work for me to say, you’ve got an idiot and we have one too. My side, your side. We need to meet somewhere in the middle, as boring as that may sound.

  • 58. Tex Taylor  |  January 22, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Olbermann had an eye for hypocrisy and lying? Undoubtedly, not with the man staring back in the mirror.

    Do we need to remind that Olbermann claimed to be an Ivy League graduate, until Ann Coulter set the record straight?

    Olbermann is detestable. If he had any courage, he’d end it all now – libs make like what Olbermann says about the Right, but even they detest him behind closed doors.

    There is absolutely nothing likable about the man. :smile:

  • 59. poolman  |  January 22, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    Olbermann put his money where his mouth was. I remember he helped fund and promote free health clinics during the health debate. He also is knowledgable about a variety of subjects.

    Snark and division sell. It’s all about marketability and ratings. People seek common enemies to cast their hate upon. They want someone or something to blame for the lack or imperfection in their lives. Pundits help focus that energy and validate it. The left never has been as united in common purpose or ideology. It isn’t an even divide. They don’t have the same marketable constituency. Most lefties don’t want to participate in the rhetoric.

    Olbermann, while intelligent and dedicated to liberal causes, turned many off due to the snark. Though many might agree with his take on politics, the delivery wasn’t suitable to all tastes. I watched him often since my wife enjoyed his show. I could tolerate him much easier than whiney Chris Matthews or Lawrence “I’m gonna have the last word” O’Donnell. I do watch Rachel Maddow occasionally. She can be very snarky, too. But she is intelligent and polite most of the time.

    Beck is probably the worst, IMO. I read some of his books and tried to take him seriously since my mom likes him, but I can’t get past his drama and circular reasoning. O’Reilly cracks me up with his arrogance, though occassionally he is profound. Limbaugh is just an ass. I used to listen to him years ago when I agreed with much of his rant. Now I just think he is a debasing blowhard. Hannity is pretty lame, too.

    The right definitely has more of these representatives than the left ever has. They also are much more loyal to them and rarely question their delivery or information. They defend them much more readily, too.

    Since the media is NOT liberal anymore by any means, the market has definitely catered to the right. Look at Fox. They have the greatest viewership and the majority of these type of shows. Their audience is the most loyal, though it has been proved they are the least factual. But facts don’t sell advertising or draw viewership. Nobody serious about truth will trust any of these outlets, though they will contain some truth.

    I guess if I was looking to be entertained, I might watch them. I usually only catch the videos of segments after they create controversy. The local Fox news is very good. It’s the national network programs that express extreme bias.

  • 60. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 23, 2011 at 12:08 am

    BEFORE Comcast ever announced the intention to buy TV properties from GE, they moved MSNBC from their basic lineup to a digital lineup while leaving FNC where it was. The obvious reason given was “we’re moving channels around to accommodate more channels”. I say BS. Comcast tends to cluster similar channels together on consecutive channel numbers. I found it very hard to believe that Comcast just coincidentally made it more expensive to watch a liberal leaning news channel vs a conservative one.

    Except I have Comcast, and PMSNBC is channel 47 and FoxNews is channel 48. Sorry to burst your bubble.

  • 61. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 23, 2011 at 12:17 am

    And they have been side-by-side on my Comcast line up for 9 years now.

  • 62. Rutherford  |  January 23, 2011 at 12:57 am

    BiW, no bubble burst. You got luckier in your market than I did. I still maintain the move here in the CT market had political implications.

  • 63. Rutherford  |  January 23, 2011 at 1:08 am

    Poolman points out, perhaps inadvertently, why Olbermann’s loss has impact. The loudest voices in the media right now are on the right. At first they were limited to the AM radio ghetto but now thanks to Fox they dominate. And sadly they dominate with lies and distortions that millions of viewers buy hook line and sinker. There was and is a need for a counter point.

    FN, I understand your desire for reasonable voices to meet in the middle but the fact is TV commentary is a battle for eyeballs and ears and there is no reason to cede this battleground to the loud-mouth extremists at Fox.

    We’ll see just how much change Comcast tries to implement and how fast. In the meantime, we’ve still got Chris Matthews (somewhat moderate), Ed Schultz (one crazy liberal!!!! … makes Keith look tame), Rachel Maddow, smart and another truth-teller, Crazy Larry O’Donnell who will shout down the biggest fools he can find and last but not least the addition of Cenk Uygur (of Young Turks fame) to the lineup. Cenk can eat Beck for lunch.

    Sorry, FN, so long as the right is going to come to the table with Hannity, O’Reilly, Beck and (on radio) Limbaugh, I want the left to have their own ammo.

  • 64. Meribeth  |  January 23, 2011 at 10:23 am

    good morning, all. I’m with R on this one. While I may not have particularly enjoyed Olbermann and don’t enjoy Schultz at all, I think the others on the left are far less distasteful than Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Coulter, Malkin, Savage, Levin, etc. [I do a lot of driving.]

    For O’Reilly, it’s just a matter of personal taste–I think he’s boring. And Matthews does nothing for me. But it’s one thing to not particularly care for someone’s show and another to find it really offensive.

  • 65. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 11:36 am

    MeriBeth,

    I think the others on the left are far less distasteful than Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Coulter, Malkin, Savage, Levin, etc. [I do a lot of driving.]

    Fortunately, most of America disagrees – most of us adamantly. Your brand of politics is a loser – financially and at the voting booth.

    America had its generational flirtation with liberalism and was burned for it the last two years. Things have returned to the norm, and you are once again finding yourself in the minority.

    The bottom line is MeriBeth, for all your supposed “moderate curiosity”, the one thing I have determined beyond a shadow of a doubt about you, is that your a hardcore lefty. No way around it. That’s why your an upstanding member of Fat Grannies, which is perhaps the most distasteful blog I’ve ever read.

    The fact that you can condemn one party while ignoring the other’s glaring shortcomings tells me you’re probably not particularly honest and forthright. Poolman is cut from the same cloth, indicating that a common trait among the Fat Grannies members. And this is the honest truth. The reason I left a few bombs at that place after a quick look around, is I found most of the people posting there borderline morons. Being offensive with a severe jolt is always the most effective way of dealing with useful idiots and Obama sycophants.

    To ignore people like Rachel Maddow, Joy Behar, and Janeane Garofalo, but condemn every member of FOX or Conservative radio tells most of us what we need to know about you.

    One question, though. Why do you try to hide it?

  • 66. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 11:48 am

    There’s a couple of things you liberals really do not understand, but you really need to learn.

    For all of its financial bankrolling, liberalism is not particularly deep and it is boring as hell. It doesn’t sell. And eventually, to have some type of investment in mass media, you at least have to break even in the production costs.

    Keith Olbermann is a losing proposition. He’ll end up somewhere on the ‘B’ list, some HBO specials like Maher, another Janeane Garofolo, but Olbermann’s days are numbered. It is obvious from my TV screen, the man suffers from clinical depression and is an ogre. He was fired from ESPN, can’t get along with people, and I’ve read his own staff hates his guts. You won’t read that about Glen Beck.

    Olbermann pictures himself as the male equivalent to Ann Coulter. But in a match of wits, Olbermann would get his lunch eaten by Coulter. That’s why Olbermann never ventures off the set to debate. Same with the rest I’ve mentioned.

    Their cowards and dimwits with big mouths – hiding behind the lines of their rank and file like you libs. That scores many points at the Lawson blog, but not too many other places.

  • 67. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Textbook case of liberalism’s insidious dishonesty. Case in point – Glenn Beck. On air, Beck quoted Frances Fox Piven, who earlier this year, called for violent revolution (ala 1968). The quote came straight out of The Nation magazine.

    And Piven’s response? That Beck was fomenting violent rhetoric toward her. I kid you not. And a few of you with your twisted thought process will, I am sure agree.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/frances-fox-piven-rings-in-the-new-year-by-calling-for-violent-revolution/

    I am now starting to understand the platonic relationship between America’s enemy – radical Islam – and the Left. Why the Left defends Hamas and Hezbollah while hating Israel. That would be you Poolman.

    Both parties like to stake claim to being victim, while being the perpetrator of the crime.

  • 68. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    :oops: They are cowards and dimwits.

  • 69. Meribeth  |  January 23, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    oh, Tex–I think Behar is a buffoon. Never seen Garafolo in my life and don’t have a clue what she’s like. I do sometimes enjoy Rachel Maddow.

    I don’t enjoy Coulter at all, for the same reason I don’t enjoy Limbaugh. No question that she is very smart–but she, like Limbaugh, appeals to the worst in people. And while I realize I won’t persuade you that I feel this way, I really don’t like it when it’s done on the left any more than I do when it’s done on the right. Which is why I would leap across the room to turn off Ed Schultz (if the set were on msnbc, which is exceedingly unlikely).

  • 70. dead rabbit  |  January 23, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    I didn’t know who Olberman was until I saw a pic. I can’t stand that dude.

    I have extreme urge to pick on G Beck. Can’t watch him.

    Oreily’s success amazes me. It is kind of boring. However, he cracks me up sometimes. And I usually agree with him. The guy isn’t remotely extreme. He’s like everybody’s uncle.

  • 71. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 23, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    BiW, no bubble burst. You got luckier in your market than I did. I still maintain the move here in the CT market had political implications.

    Yeah, because CT makes up such a large part of their overall nationwide market.

    Do you have ANY idea how ridiculous that sounds?

  • 72. El Tigre  |  January 23, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    I’ve watched Olbermann with some facination, but not as much as those I’ve observed that are impressed by him, like Rutherford.

    Frankly, I think Olbermann is pretty dumb. While he unquestionably incites, I’ve never seen him offer any real insight. He quotes or invites those with opinions he likes on his show without really exploring or challenging them. No wonder Olbermann is a liberal’s wet dream. He’s made a second career out of attacking other biased commentators without ever engaging them directly. I’ve never seen Olbermann invite or debate anyone with opposing viewpoints on his show. For Olbermann to be so highly regarded by guys like Rutherford, Poolman, Meribeth et al., I am astonded that his unwillingness to directly engage anyone with opposing viewpoints is considered virtuous or unnecessary. How strange.

    Having seen O’Donnell’s approach, I’m sure Rutherford will be satisified. He doesn’t engage anyone with opposing viewpoints either. He shouts at and over them, takes responses and says things like “I will interpret that to mean [plainly the exact opposite],” then says “sorry we’re out of time.” Rutherford refers to this approach as “kicking someone’s ass.” I call it childish and unilluminating.

    I pay almost no attention to the Hannitys, Becks, O”Reilly’s or for that matter any right-wing commentators. In fact, I probably pay more attention to the left’s. And there’s a common thread. In my opinion, the left’s commentators,at leat at MSNBC, spend an inordinate amount of time ranting about how right-wing commentators should be silenced. But I could be wrong. I defer to Rutherford who seemingly watches MSNBC hour after hour on a daily basis.

  • 73. El Tigre  |  January 23, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    For the record, Glenn Beck is most annoying. More than anything I hate his pandering tone. It’s insulting. I can’t listen to it. However, he can talk all he wants as far as I’m concerned. It sure as hell ain’t “hate speech” as the left alleges with anyone whose opinions they dislike.

  • 74. El Tigre  |  January 23, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    “Olbermann put his money where his mouth was. I remember he helped fund and promote free health clinics during the health debate. He also is knowledgable about a variety of subjects.”

    Yeah, his commentary has good beat that you can dance to, and his mom always said he was good listener.

    Sorry Poolman, that sound kind of sycophantic and man-crushy. Is he a really good dresser too?

  • 75. Meribeth  |  January 23, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Tigre: Why would include me in your list of whose who “highly regard” Olbermann? I specifically said I did not. I don’t watch msnbc. I don’t watch Fox. I listen to the radio in the car.

    I just don’t enjoy Limbaugh or Beck. Limbaugh is like a not-too-funny teenager who keeps repeating the same junk (“orifice” rather and ‘office”) and Beck’s hysteria isn’t something I want to listen to. When I say they (and Coulter) appeal to the worst in people, I don’t view them as that different from reality shows like “Bachelor” or people like the Kardashians. I don’t watch them either.

    Of course, someone who is a junkie for all of the Law and Orders probably shouldn’t weigh in on anyone else’s tastes. But I like cop/detective shows.

  • 76. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 23, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Of course, someone who is a junkie for all of the Law and Orders probably shouldn’t weigh in on anyone else’s tastes. But I like cop/detective shows.

    I find the British version mildly interesting, as in I won’t switch the channel if it comes on after the British version of Top Gear, but I have never really given a damn about the American version.

  • 77. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 23, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    I’ll listen to Beck, largely because he looks at the history and the connections that are not explored by a largely uncurious press establishment.

    Limbaugh’s ok, but he’s typically on when I am in the office, so I don’t hear him often. If I do happen to be in the car when his show is on, more often than not, Mark Steyn is filling in for him.

    I find Hannity pedantic and hyperpartisan, but he does take on critics and those with different opinions, both with callers and on his TV show. I usually like watching his Great American Panel, as it frequently has at least one lefty, and the interplay between whoever is on that night can be interesting.

    I do love Ann Coulter. I find her books to be well-researched, her wit incisive, and her humor biting. The fact that she refuses to conform to the tenents of Political Correctness and that she makes lefties heads spin around like Linda Blair’s in The Exorcist is a bonus.

  • 78. El Tigre  |  January 23, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    Meribeth, you are officially removed. I overlooked your disclaimer. (but I do think you betray your professed objectivity from time to time).

    Ever wonder why Olbermann doesn’t seem allow himself to be interviewed either?

    It’s pretty easy to say your eggs hit their mark when thrown over a 20 foot wall.

    Coulter is funny. She’s witty and sarcastic. John Stewart is too (perhaps more so). While agree with one and not the other generally, they both entertain and that’s fine. That’s not appealing to the worst in people.

    Olbermann and O’Donnel don’t bother trying to mask their downright scary rage. Spit-flying rage. Being lectured by them about civil discourse is laugh-out-loud. And that’s because they do appeal to the worst in people.

  • 79. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    MeriBeth,

    Why do you mask your Leftism? Do you think it makes you more objective here? It doesn’t.

    You’re lady like enough which is a nice trait. But your conclusions are invariably “progressive”. You’re kind of the nicer version of Fat Grannies blog. :smile: That’s not a compliment, as I’ve often believed birds of a feather…

    And Rachel Maddow, who I don’t care her credentials I’ve never found terribly bright as I’ve caught her in some real propaganda and lies about science, would be an upstanding member of Fat Grannies.

  • 80. dead rabbit  |  January 23, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Yeah….one thing I’ve noticed with the left is that they are always the ones trying to shut people up. I don’t think that it can be denied.

    Nobody liked them on the AM Dial. It’s not fair. Legislate.

    Nobody likes them on Cable News. It’s not fair. Legislate.

    Every day they seem to shy away from the debate a little more often. Instead, they want to come after the debater.

    What we saw two weeks ago was mind blowing. The entire right was pinned as causing those murders. MSM backed it up for 12 hours straight.

    Even Rutherford, who has free speech steet cred like no other, falls into line when it comes to shutting up dissension on a national level, mostly when it comes to his precious.

    Rutherford is always thinking about his precious and her swagger as a master debater. And it drives him wild. :)

    At times, Glen Beck does a great job exposing the left.

    He never appeals to any kind of violence.

    He begs people to educate themselves.

    But what is with his constant appeal to emotion? It’s kind of like the Dead Rabbit dramatically quiting the Rutherford Lawson blog. You can only cry so many times before it loses effect.

    And damn do I see the ego in him. He reeks of it.

    This is all superficial, but when it comes down to it, I despise Glen Beck more then any TV talking head. His mannerisms seem so calculated and canned. It would have been fun to go back into time to his drinking days and bounce his head off the bar.

  • 81. poolman  |  January 23, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    Tex, what I have noticed after debating with you over time is you occasionally have a “come to Jesus” moment, but for the most part you are NOT objective in your views. Sorry. As I have claimed before, from your perspective EVERYTHING is left. You miss the middle, similar to Tigre’s analogy of the eggs thrown over the wall.

    If the “fat grannie’s” blog is your idea of an extreme lefty blog, you haven’t looked very hard. Try this one for size:

    http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/

    As far as Olbermann, I can respect him as a person. Even if I didn’t always agree with his views or his delivery. He proved himself a man of character.

  • 82. dead rabbit  |  January 23, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Poolman, you are a guy who posts a 30 minute cartoon that ends with the masses violently over throwing the government and then, a few minutes later, calls for an end to hints of revolutionary violence in political discourse.

    Dude…..you need to come correct.

    Nothing worse the a 75% liberal, 25% conspiracy theorist anti-government loon. It’s fucking schizophrenic, man.

  • 83. poolman  |  January 23, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    Nothing worse the a 75% liberal, 25% conspiracy theorist anti-government loon. It’s fucking schizophrenic, man.

    Rabbit, if I ever find anything that fits my ideology 100 percent, I’ll let you in on it. I am still seeking truth. Sometimes I find it on the left, sometimes on the right. Sometimes it is in an animated presentation, other times in comes from the past speeches of principaled peoples. I do not have multiple personalities, which I believe defines schizophrenia. I do not hold the same beliefs I did 1, 5, or 10 years ago. That isn’t a problem to me. Nothing in life should stagnate.

    Point me in the direction of your ideology. What specific clip, speech, or definition fits you 100 percent? Is it set in stone, or are you still shaping it?

  • 84. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Poolman,

    Your charges that “You’re not objective” to me only fortify for me that “yes, I am the one being objective.” Frankly, if there was by chance anybody on this board becoming the next Jared Loughner, you would be my first pick.

    Because I find you not only dishonest and not terribly bright, but daft. I came to that conclusion about all of you Fat Granny sycophants before you first appeared on this board. You’ve done nothing here to change my opinion.

    Sometimes by friend the Rabbit, not meaning to be philosophically deep, is incredibly deep in his simplicity. He has you pegged perfectly. 75% liberal, 25% anarchist, 100% blatant Jew hater.

    I’m afraid you’re about five years behind the times like you were with LGF. I’ve gone around with Ugly Kay from White Noise Insanity before – her reputation precedes her. And like I find you, I found her wanting.

    Unfortunately, before we tangled one night on a different blog, she was shall we say “stupid enough” to leave a detailed description of her general life – her face being the prettiest part of butt ugly. When reading it, I remember thinking, “I suppose they call this low hanging fruit.” I take personal credit for Ugly Kay dynamically changing her About Box, complete with personal pictures which have now been removed. In fact, the bitter sting of reality, so much so that when I show up, Kay departs. :twisted:

    But I disagree in that not only do I not find Fat Grannies dissimilar to Kay, I find both old hags identical to Kay. Stupid, vicious, sanctimonious, personally hideous, and hateful – without any redeeming qualities whatsoever.

    Being a Fat Granny sycophant is certainly nothing to be proud of Poolman.

  • 85. Meribeth  |  January 23, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Tex–far as I know, I don’t mask anything. I’m pretty up front about my inconsistencies. There also are a whole lot of issues that I just am not terribly knowledgeable about and I don’t mind admitting to those.

    But it’s football time. And I know, based on your “did they vote for Obama” test, that you won’t favor any of the teams. But I plan to have a great afternoon and evening.

  • 86. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    Keith Olbermann, a man of character. :lol:

    I rest my case…

  • 87. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    that you won’t favor any of the teams.

    Cheeseheads don’t generally like Obama, as my buddy from Wisconsin an avid Barack hater; and Pittsburg is the Conservative part of Pennsylvania. Put your money on those two if you going with the Tex prediction method.

    I fortunately could care less who is playing. But I will root against New York due to bad behavior…beating Tom Brady was a feather in their cap, as there isn’t a bigger phony in the NFL than Tom Brady.

  • 88. El Tigre  |  January 23, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    Don’t be pissin’ on the graves of my Patriots there Tex.

    Choosing between “the rapist,” and the showboating Jets, well. . . the Jet’s gots to go!

  • 89. poolman  |  January 23, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    There. Tex proved my point. Stagnant and unwielding. Stuck in a rut. I had him pegged from his first postings at the “fat grannies” blog. I followed him here and still hold out hope. Yet he claims to be a Christian. I say in label only. He doesn’t understand that it is a lifestyle and not a religion. If anyone has schizophrenic tendencies, look to him. I’m certain he would be uncomfortable sharing all his posts with his Sunday go-to-meeting crowd.

  • 90. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    I still haven’t had my prayer answered that some defensive end removes Tom Brady’s head from his torso in the most violent matter.

    That would make start watching the NFL again.

    I’m still laughing at Poolman calling Keith Olbermann a man of character.

    That SOB has been caught in so many lies and distortions, including his schooling, that would be like calling Richard Nixon or Morton Downey a man of character. How fucked up in the head do you have to be to make a statement like that? :lol: Like I said – it’s a known fact even Olbermann’s staff can’t stand him.

    I knew Keith’s days were numbered. Won’t be long before all of them are gone. Maddow will get frustrated and leave for cable radio.

  • 91. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    damn – matter should be manner.

  • 92. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    You so have me misidentified Mr. Poolman.

    I don’t have a Sunday-go-to-crowd. I met a few of your phony, hypocritical type in the pews many Sundays and thought the better of it.

    I’d rather break bread with jihadists…

  • 93. poolman  |  January 23, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    I’d rather break bread with jihadists…

    Yeah, right. I could just hear your prayer…

  • 94. fakename2  |  January 23, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Tex: Furthermore, and furthermore, and by the way, furthermore. Comments by Tex keep blowing up my inbox Could you just possibly state an opinion and then let it go? Of course not. You want to make sure you’ve covered all the bases, just in case some liberal might slip through the cracks :)

  • 95. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Party pooper,

    I “want to cover all the bases” and it’s a “red letter day” when I blow up your inbox. Furthermore, I really, really, really don’t like triple-dog dare feckless liberals like you (except Rutherford).

    I wanted to throw in some links to hear you whine some more, but your feminine itch stench waffled through the screen. Keep the blanket on. :twisted:

  • 96. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Allahu Akbar to your religion of pieces Poolman…here’s your call to prayer.

  • 97. El Tigre  |  January 23, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    “that would be like calling Richard Nixon or Morton Downey a man of character.”

    Lol. I was trying to think of the conservative version of an O”Donnell. Bingo! Morton Downey Jr. I remember that damn “talk show” of his with all that yelling righteous shit at so-called “guests” while he blew cigarette smoke in their faces. Awesome.

    O’Donnell, Olbermann and Morton Downey Jr. (RIP) should all be stuck in an elevator together.

    Olbermann a man of character? :roll: Good one.

    Tex, quit being a “Hater”. I lost the Falcons and Pats in one weekend. Now I am sure that brought you endless amusement, something tells me you were/are a Cowboys fan. And America’s Team’s season was a source of endless amusement for me.

  • 98. fakename2  |  January 23, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    And furthermore, and furthermore. Tex, can you get any more offensive and repulsive? I have a bet with myself that yes, you can.

  • 99. dead rabbit  |  January 23, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Pack goin’ to the Super Bowl.

    Rutherford, ditch the radio format. Politics bla bla bla….

    Team up with the Rabbit. Lets do music…maaaaan.

  • 100. Rutherford  |  January 23, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    A couple of minor corrections.

    Poolman, (I’m surprised Tex didn’t correct you on this one), schizophrenia is often mistakenly called multiple personality disorder. They are actually two distinct pathologies. The first is characterized by a breakdown of the personality, most notably defined by delusions, hallucinations and paranoia. The latter is a mental illness in which the victim is “inhabited” by more than one distinct personality. Hence a Sybil-type, who can be a girl, an old lady, or even a boy at any given time. Very often the personalities are aware of each others existence. I suppose because schizophrenia has the same root as schism, it has been confused by lay people as “split personality”. Tex …. feel free to add something here.

    I don’t quite know where Tigre gets the idea Morton Downey Jr. was conservative. I seem to recall his being VERY active in the civil rights movement among other things. My guess is he was probably somewhere between a liberal and a libertarian. BTW, I confess to have gone through a major Morton Downey Jr. phase. His show was a circus much more entertaining than Jerry Springer. Jerry pretends to be above it all. Morton got in your face. :-)

  • 101. Rutherford  |  January 23, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Rutherford, ditch the radio format. Politics bla bla bla….

    Team up with the Rabbit. Lets do music…maaaaan.

    LOL. Rabbit you find me a venue that won’t sue us for copyright infringement and I’m there dude. Truth be told, I’d MUCH rather be a music DJ than an amateur pundit any day … but I mean the DJ’s from my era … like Cousin Brucie … guys who talked about the music … not just programmed playlists where you’re not even told what you’re listening to.

  • 102. Rutherford  |  January 23, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    FN, 94 and 98 cracked me up. For some reason it reminded me of the feuds Siskel and Ebert used to have during commercial tapings. :-)

  • 103. fakename2  |  January 23, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    I know, Rutherford :)

  • 104. poolman  |  January 23, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Tex, I haven’t found you to admit when you are wrong. I don’t expect that you will. Some folks just can never do that, so I don’t hold it against you. But here’s some more egg on your face:

    Jesus Pray To Allah in The Bible

  • 105. poolman  |  January 23, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Of all the pundits mentioned, I don’t recall any comments regarding Dylan Ratigan. I have watched him a few times and usually found his show pretty good. I can’t say I have watched him enough to know how consistent his interviews are, but those I did see seemed fairly apolitical. Of course he is on MSNBC and that in itself my offer a glimpse into his political slant. One of the blogs I read (this could be considered an anarchist site) had this observation…

    After this weekend’s news about Keith Olbermann’s hasty exit from MSNBC, I thought I would look up Dylan Ratigan and see what he has been doing recently. What I found was shockingly sad.

    Guess MSNBC has gone over to the neoliberal right all the way now. Even Dylan Ratigan has been replaced like one of the pod people from Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Fall in love with America while being enslaved.

  • 106. poolman  |  January 23, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Poolman, (I’m surprised Tex didn’t correct you on this one), schizophrenia is often mistakenly called multiple personality disorder. They are actually two distinct pathologies.

    Rutherford, I really don’t know a lot about the various mental disorders out there. This helps explain why so many were calling Loughner schizophrenic when I though that was strictly a multiple personality disorder. He was messing around with different levels of consciousness or dream-states, apparently.

    From reading an article in yesterday’s local paper his parents apparently did not discipline him when he should have been. Who knows. Being an only child comes into play also. I guess they will be trying for years to figure out what went wrong.

    Meanwhile, how many other ticking time bombs are out there? How many are we creating with our endless wars?

    As a Christian, I believe in demonic influence. I know as an atheist you probably think that is crazy talk. Even a lot of believers don’t want to go there. Of course a quick examination of the life of Jesus as described in the gospels will show he encountered them on a daily basis. None were destroyed or locked away in “the pit”. Cast out of folks, yes. That means they just moved around.

    Modern science denies their existence. It is hard to combat a foe you don’t recognize. I think one of the first rules of warfare is to know your enemy. From that perspective we run to battle blind.

  • 107. El Tigre  |  January 23, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Downey used to refer to liberal sas “pablum pukers” and would say “Zip it” to Liberals. I don’t know where you got the ide he was a liberal. I don’t know about his involvement in the civil rights movement, but since when is that the test?

    http://www.mortondowneyjrhome.com/

    Anyway, you can claim him if you want. I think you’re wrong, but you’ve got his style in O’Donnell anyway whic was my point.

  • 108. Hucking Fypocrites  |  January 23, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    “Being an only child comes into play also.”

    Why not legislate a fix for that?

  • 109. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    And furthermore, and furthermore. Tex, can you get any more offensive and repulsive? I have a bet with myself that yes, you can.

    With a nasty skank like you? Yes, yes I can. :smile:

  • 110. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Mullah Poolman,

    Your Jesus prayed to Allah….and mows my lawn. Lawd, you are a loon.

    I mean really Poolman. You are a disgrace if you call yourself a Christian. Jesus praying to a rock? What a joke…

    Crawl to Mecca Poolman.

  • 111. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    something tells me you were/are a Cowboys fan.

    Was a cowboy fan. But that was when Tom Landry was coach. Now I can’t stand them, their owner, or their overpriced stadium “for the fans.” ** VOMIT **. Is that why Jerry charges $50 to park? For the fans?

    I actually don’t care much for the NFL anymore. I’ll watch the Superbowl and that’s about it. And so far, my Obama predictor is looking pretty good. I see the Cheeseheads defeated the City of Blago. :smile:

    In fact, I don’t really follow any professional sports anymore. Professional athletes don’t do much for me these days and this deification of college flunkies makes me puke.

    I read where 70% of former NFL palyers are broke 20 years after retiring. Then we’re also supposed to feel sorry for them? Ha!

  • 112. El Tigre  |  January 23, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    The rapist is holding up pretty good so far.

    Agreed on the NFL generally. I wiil say though, a couple of bucks on the outcome makes any game more interesting to watch everytime.

  • 113. El Tigre  |  January 23, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    The Obama predictor seem to be a good one. If he’d come to rally for them, I could predict a winner with 100% certainty.

  • 114. poolman  |  January 23, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    I mean really Poolman. You are a disgrace if you call yourself a Christian. Jesus praying to a rock? What a joke…

    You call yourself a Christian. I am a follower of Yeshua aka Jesus, I know no other rock.

    Come back when you speak fluid Aramaic, the language spoken while He walked the earth.

  • 115. poolman  |  January 23, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    “Being an only child comes into play also.”

    Why not legislate a fix for that?

    Don’t give them any ideas. If we look to China’s example, we’re in big trouble. I’m just claiming what the article seemed to indicate.

  • 116. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Come back when you speak fluid Aramaic, the language spoken while He walked the earth.

    Oh, you going to speak it for me Poolman? That perfect Aramaic? :lol: I think you’ve watched “The Passion” one too many times.

    Let me assure you, the word Allah never left Jesus’ lips. I’ll guarantee you that. Allah, the impersonal little pagan god, one of 360 little Baal god of pre-Islamic origin that Muhammad copped.

    Elohim, the One True Living God. Yahweh Jehovah. Diametrically opposed in every shape, form or fashion.

    And I’ll spare Huck the opportunity. I do not care what Muslims think. They are deceiving themselves and deceiving you in the process. If I’m wrong Huck, ask your Muslim pals what is the Holy Spirit and see the response you get.

    There is nothing in common with Jehovah and little impersonal pagan god allah. Nothing.

    You still don’t get it, do you Imam Poolman?

  • 117. poolman  |  January 23, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    You still don’t get it, do you Imam Poolman?

    No, I do. You’re taking the “high” road. I’m following the path. I’ve already shown you how the blessing to Abram in Genesis 12 applies to Muslims and Arabs, as well as Judeans and Judahites. You wrongly say it applies to Zionists. You haven’t proved your claim.

  • 118. poolman  |  January 23, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Do you think they took turns since you claim they are not praying to the same deity?

  • 119. poolman  |  January 23, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    I just heard a quote from senator Mike Lee of Utah claim that if we tone down political rhetoric, the shooter wins. This is akin to “if we don’t keep on shopping, the terrorists win”.

    I think we’re getting more stupid by the day. Must be in the water.

  • 120. poolman  |  January 23, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Tex,

    Here’s some more of your boys on that high road.

    Fast track to Armageddon.

  • 121. poolman  |  January 23, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Just another day at the crusades, training those warriors for Christ. Got to have that faith. Atheists need not apply. Taking the high road, I tell you. Looks like the highway to hell to me. Wake the fuck up!

  • 122. dead rabbit  |  January 23, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Rutherford, in a statement against the Fed and banks, Poolman posted a cartoon showing people violently overthrowing the American government.

    Now he’s saying we need to tone down the rhetoric.

    Rutherford, since your into picking individuals’ rhetoric and associating it with the violence of a lone crazed man, I was wondering if you could weigh in on your favorite conspiracy theorist?

    He says he is constantly learning and have not found the truth yet. Thus, he has no problem with posting incendiary rhetoric on the same day he lectures us to tone it down.

    just wondering how that jives with you.

  • 123. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    Here Iman Poolman. No wonder you’re a lib. I’ll do it again since you didn’t pay attention the first time – straight from the Word of God, the only word that counts. And I didn’t “google” this. Here’s God’s “promise” to Ishmael’s descendants.

    Genesis 16:11-12

    11 The angel of the LORD also said to her (Hagar):

    “You are now pregnant
    and you will give birth to a son.
    You shall name him Ishmael,
    for the LORD has heard of your misery.
    12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
    his hand will be against everyone
    and everyone’s hand against him,
    and he will live in hostility
    toward all his brothers.”

    That is no blessing sport; that’s a curse. The only covenant with Ishmael is the promise that there would be many hell raising descendants. There is no lineage to Christ as both the Old and New Testament make abundantly clear. The Old Testament is strictly Jewish history. All of its authors are Jewish – not a pagan of Baal before Mohammad, during or after Mohammad in the bunch. I do not claim one ounce of spiritual benefit from Muslims. The first Christians were Jewish. Islam is bankrupt and false religion, demon possessed, and the historical record more than proves that there is no blessing in Islam.

    I don’t care how many of your ignorant videos you find, how many of your sites you google, or how much you want to deny the truth in your political correctness. Any moron can find Jew hating sites, self-loathing Jewish sites, useless interfaith sites. I can go all the way back to antiquity, or if you wish I’ll simply throw the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who conspired with Hitler himself to kill Jews preceding and during WWII.

    I do find it ironic the only Jews you approve of are liberal, Dimocratic, and secular. In other words, their not Jewish no matter how many of their rabbis might think or tell them otherwise through their mother. Judaism is a faith – not a nationality. Israel is clearly the Jews to do with as they see fit.

    I find you an enemy of God’s chosen people. I am obviously your political enemy – you should consider me your spiritual enemy, as well. I think that about completes the circle.

  • 124. Tex Taylor  |  January 23, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Hey Mullah…here’s your man of “character.” I hope your judgment of other things better than your judge of character.

    I don’t begrudge Olbermann wanting more money, even though I thought he was wildly overpaid. If you think you can fetch a better price from a giant corporation for your low-rated show, why not go for it? Of course, putting your “greed” ahead of the cause you consider yourself vital to is a nice bit of hypocrisy for a prog like Olbermann.

    But letting your staff sit in the dark until they hear the news on air, strikes me as precisely the sort of thing you’d expect from a self-involved jerk.

    Still think Olbermann a “man of character?” :razz:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/257719/all-class-jonah-goldberg

  • 125. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Rutherford, remember the global respect Obama was going to bring to America after Cowboy Bush? Does this count as respect?

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/01/chinese-pianist-plays-propaganda-tune.html

  • 126. Rutherford  |  January 24, 2011 at 12:33 am

    ROTFLMAO! Tex thinks The National Review is going to have anything nice (or factual) to say about Keith Olbermann.

    David Shuster, formerly of MSNBC knows the man and said it was NOT about money. Believe what you like Tex.

  • 127. Rutherford  |  January 24, 2011 at 12:36 am

    Rutherford, remember the global respect Obama was going to bring to America after Cowboy Bush? Does this count as respect?

    Yes Tex … and Michele Obama shouldn’t have worn red because it reminds everyone of Red China. Sometimes it’s so hard to take conservatives seriously. :lol:

  • 128. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 12:39 am

    Rutherford, it amazes me what you missed in that post. Who cares who or where it came from – Ogremann, the man of “high character” according to Mullah Poolman, didn’t even bother to tell his staff.

    They found out on TV!!!! :lol:

    Real class you hang with Rutherford! ROTFLMAO! is right. At you too! :lol:

  • 129. Rutherford  |  January 24, 2011 at 12:40 am

    Poolman posted a cartoon showing people violently overthrowing the American government.

    I haven’t clicked all of Poolman’s links today. Help a brother out and give me a comment number.

  • 130. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 12:41 am

    Your savior, your man, the man of HOPE & CHANGE is being mocked around the world now. The “transparent” butt of global jokes.

    What’s that say about his butt kissers like you?

    Got to say again, “Told you so…” :razz:

  • 131. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 12:42 am

    How’s your wife doofus?

  • 132. Rutherford  |  January 24, 2011 at 12:42 am

    I’m not quite sure what to make of Dylan Ratigan. He used to be on CNBC and knows a lot about the market. I have watched little of him on MSNBC. He can get pretty heated if you get his dander up. I don’t have a good feel for where he is politically.

  • 133. Rutherford  |  January 24, 2011 at 12:53 am

    I watched a week old “60 Minutes” profile of Loughner this afternoon. One of the scary things about him is that some of what he thought about, sane people DO think about but they don’t dwell on it because to do so makes you go crazy.

    For example, he felt currency had no meaning. Now think about this from an alien’s perspective. You see a guy give a slip of paper to another guy, and in return he gets a magazine and some pieces of metal. Then you see the guy give another piece of paper, same size, to another guy and in return he gets 3 boxes of donuts. You go up to the guy and say why did one piece of paper get you a magazine and the other get you all those donuts. And the guy says “oh, well the first piece of paper had a 1 on it and a picture of George Washington and the second piece had a 5 on it and a pic of Abe Lincoln.”

    Now if we really think about this, does this really make any sense in any objective way? But we accept that these pieces of paper represent value.

    Loughner was also a nihilist. Haven’t we all at one time or another thought that life had no real purpose? Even the devout think this from time to time. Loughner’s problem was he couldn’t get past it.

    I’ve known someone who was real smart but he had no filter in his brain. The weight of the world and all of its inconsistencies was upon him 24/7. As a result he acted out in anti-social ways. I ended up having to fire the dude, but I really liked him and I understood him. More about him in another comment when I have more time.

  • 134. Rutherford  |  January 24, 2011 at 12:59 am

    How’s your wife doofus?

    LOL, that’s how I know you’re my brother from another planet when you can show me you care and call me doofus in the same breath.

    She’s mostly just tired but otherwise she’s fine. When you’re not quite sure what your heart is going to do at any given time, regardless of positive words from doctors, it saps your energy.

    She gets a 24 hour monitor this week as the first part of her out-patient heart workup. She’ll have to wear it for a day as she goes about her business. Then they’ll see what if anything it tells them.

  • 135. Rutherford  |  January 24, 2011 at 1:02 am

    On a totally unrelated note, my iPhone takes about 20 to 30 minutes to sync lately, most of that time spent on the backup. These are 20 minutes I can never get back. Does Apple care? Noooooooooooo.

  • 136. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 1:37 am

    On a totally unrelated note, my iPhone takes about 20 to 30 minutes to sync lately,

    That’s why I never bothered to get one. Most of my friends have and stare at this 3″ screen incessantly. I told my wife – no thanks.

    I had to wear a halter monitor for 24 hours that was about half the size of a grocery bag – I kid you not. That was 1987. But from that, they were able to determine what was wrong. I’m sure they are much smaller now, but I remember it was a pain to sleep with.

    I go to see my electro-physiologist in March. I self diagnosed and cut my dosage in half. :smile: Nothing like living dangerously.

  • 137. poolman  |  January 24, 2011 at 2:37 am

    Rabbit @ 122…

    I feel like I’m being tattled on and getting sent to the principal’s office where they call my parents to come pick me up.

    Tex @ 123…

    OK, have it your way. [said while shaking the dust off my feet]


    Reminds me of pearls before swine.

  • 138. Hucking Fypocrites  |  January 24, 2011 at 4:03 am

    “Let me assure you, the word Allah never left Jesus’ lips.”

    That’s because it is Arabic, not Aramaic.

    “And I’ll spare Huck the opportunity. I do not care what Muslims think. They are deceiving themselves and deceiving you in the process. If I’m wrong Huck, ask your Muslim pals what is the Holy Spirit and see the response you get.”

    I’ll do that right after you go ask “God’s Chosen People” what they think it is. And don’t forget to mention all 3 parts of the Trinity, while you’re at it. Make sure you throw in there how they are all going to Hell because they reject Jesus Christ, and how they don’t pray to the same god you do because of that rejection.

    You know, I just love the fucking hypocrisy. Mohamed “copped” god. Unlike Jesus, who walked around telling everyone that suddenly they could only reach their god through him. If that isn’t hijacking a religion, I don’t know what is.

    And I’m the one being deceived….

  • 139. an800lbgorilla  |  January 24, 2011 at 10:13 am

    In the coming New Year, 2011, both Groundhog Day and the State of the Union address will occur on the same day. This is an ironic juxtaposition of events. One involves a meaningless ritual in which we look to an insignificant creature of little intelligence for prognostication … The other involves a groundhog.

  • 140. Rutherford  |  January 24, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Nothing like living dangerously.

    I know you take understandable pride in your time in Med school but let the licensed physicians call the shots please. If you drop dead I lose all the traffic from the Tex groupies. ;-)

  • 141. Rutherford  |  January 24, 2011 at 10:49 am

    G, ahhhh now I know who HBO can hire if Bill Maher ever gets tired of his gig. :-)

  • 142. Rutherford  |  January 24, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Huck, 138 got my Monday off to a great start. On the one hand, OUCH. On the other hand, thank you!

  • 143. Rutherford  |  January 24, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Poolman, I can’t get 137′s link to resolve and you’ve got my interest peaked. Can you send a new link please?

  • 144. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Huck, ala Muslim scholar, Jew hater, and unequal opportunity faith basher:

    You know, I just love the fucking hypocrisy. Mohamed “copped” god. Unlike Jesus, who walked around telling everyone that suddenly they could only reach their god through him. If that isn’t hijacking a religion, I don’t know what is.

    If you wish to call Jesus a hypocrite, a liar, a lunatic and accusing him of hijacking a religion, that is certainly your right. However, to hijack a religion, you would have to hijack the message. Christians believe the Christ of the New Testament is the physical manifestation of the God of the Old Testament. How does one hijack his own message? If your parting shot at Jesus was aimed at me, you’re barking up the wrong tree. You’ll need to take that up with Jesus, as I’m just the little messenger boy.

    In fact, I would tell you to quit hiding behind your tacit Christian hating and “YELL IT A LITTLE LOUDER HUCK.” Be honest and forthright. Don’t beat around the bush – just come and say you have a problem both with Judaism and Christianity, because heaven knows I have a problem with your godless ilk.

    Christ did refer to Himself as divine. But you are still missing the point.

    Slow learners like you and Poolman keep telling me that Allah and Jehovah are one and the same. And I have shown you time and again, they are not. For you Israeli Jew haters, that may provide a nice ruse in the Muslim appeasing crowd popular in prog circles and secular college campuses, but your opinion does not make it truth. The point is not what Muslims wish for the inane to believe to further their cause of global submission to the religion of pieces, but what is.

    Actually Huck, you should quit criticizing Obama, because at the heart of life’s most basic tenets, you are one and the same. It’s politically expedient in America to call yourself a Christian and for a secular professor who hates religion but teaches religion (I would call that either hypocrisy or lunacy on any other day), but Obama has made it clear he considers all “religion” one and the same.

    ———-

    Let’s try this again for the 1,322nd time. The “Jewish” God Jehovah is personal – the Jews believe as much; Christians believe as much.

    The Arabic god allah is impersonal and unknowable. I’ve shown you that too from Mohammad’s own words, yet you wish to blend the Abrahamic religions. Something along the lines of since all religion hokum, therefore all are equivalent.

    I’ve also demonstrated that the word allah predated Islam by hundreds of years and “was copped” as the choice of Proper name. Hard for me to believe a “professor” of religious studies wouldn’t know as much.

    And I would tell you with absolute certainty, that is the height of stupidity to call the Abrahamic faiths equivalent, no different than calling Democracy and Communism equivalent; your moral relativism not withstanding.

  • 145. Rutherford  |  January 24, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Tex, maybe I missed your explanation but how can Christians love Jews and in the same breath say they are hell-bound?

  • 146. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    I think it worth remembering Rutherford, the first several hundred Christians were Jews, and all but two books authored of the Bible were Jews.

    There are Jews in heaven and I can prove that (assuming you’ll believe in heaven for the moment).

    “And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only. And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.” (Matthew 17:1-9, KJV)

    So obviously there are Jews in heaven.

    I only speak for myself, but I’m not qualified to tell you who is hell bound. That may sound the cop out, but any Christians telling you that Jews are going to hell has overstepped his or her authoritative bounds. Because there is only one qualified to determine who steps in and who stays put.

    I can’t tell you that you are hell bound. Hopefully that makes you feel good and relieves stress in your life. :smile:

  • 147. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    I know you take understandable pride in your time in Med school but let the licensed physicians call the shots please. If you drop dead I lose all the traffic from the Tex groupies.

    Some truth to that, but I also know my own body pretty well. Remember it was doctors telling me 25 years ago, I was healthy as a horse, and I kept telling them something was wrong.

    About six months ago, I forgot to take my medication two days in a row. And I noticed during my run how much easier my run was, because as someone who used to run sprints, running more than a few hundred yards sucks – I am still waiting for my first runners high. :smile:.

    And it got me thinking, it was possible that I had changed the physiology of my heart during 20+ years of aerobic work outs.
    Consider it a test of high stakes. But after six months, I have actually begin to feel better – not worse.

    Besides, one point that men like you and Huck always fail to mention and avoid. One immutable fact you conveniently choose to ignore in your false sense or intellectual superiority – you’re going to die.

    I’m ready for that if it happens, and I can think of many more unpleasant ways than if my heart were to suddenly stop. My children grown, my wife more than capable.

    It might do you some good to meditate on that simple fact occasionally. Episodes last week are personal reminders that life does throw you the occasional curve ball Rutherford.

  • 148. Hucking Fypocrites  |  January 24, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    “Don’t beat around the bush – just come and say you have a problem both with Judaism and Christianity, because heaven knows I have a problem with your godless ilk.”

    I don’t have a problem with any religion, and pretty much see them all as equally mythical and full of crap. Contrary to what some here would like to think, I don’t play any favorites.

    What I don’t like is people from 1 religion calling out people from another religion while ignoring the holes in their own faith that are so big you could drive a camel through them.

    “Christ did refer to Himself as divine. But you are still missing the point.”

    No, you’re missing the point.

    This whole “essence of God” and trinitarian bullshit is nothing more than a justification for polytheism so that you can go against the number one rule that God gave to people. Your entire faith is named after a man who walked the earth and bled red blood just like any other man.

    If anything, it’s you who doesn’t pray to the same god ad Jews and Muslims. Their god is pure and doesn’t need to share his essence with a man in order to cleanse their souls and play gatekeeper for him.

    “I’ve also demonstrated that the word allah predated Islam by hundreds of years …”

    Big deal. Do you think Muslims invented the Arabic language?

    As I have pointed out several times, “allah” simply means “the god.” It’s a word that was turned into a name. Kind of like the difference between the word “summer” and the name “Summer.” It’s dating doesn’t mean anything.

    Have fun ripping out your hair over all that. I have stuff to do….

  • 149. poolman  |  January 24, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    Poolman, I can’t get 137′s link to resolve and you’ve got my interest peaked. Can you send a new link please?

    Try this one…


    Pearls before Swine

  • 150. El Tigre  |  January 24, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Wow. A suicide bomber just hit one of Moscow’s airports. This could be heavy duty if it proves to be an Islamist attack.

    Although I think we should assume Palin had something to do with it first.

  • 151. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Much better Huck…let blood pressure flow so you can meet Jesus all the sooner and take up your complaints with Him. I hope I play a small part. That’s what I like from you. A little honesty. GOOD JOB!

    Trust me on this one Huck – you are the butt of my jokes; not the tormentor of spirit. There are no holes in my religion, and only an uneducated moron would state as much. That is unless you think most of western civilization wrong, and you the college flunky one of the few right. :twisted: You’ll have to wait in line with Yeller Dawg, Fake, Rutherford, and Bill Maher. See what I mean about you and Obama being “brothers”?

    Huck, after you’ve “got your things done” (snicker), do you recognize your own life’s calling is a contradiction in terms? Religious studies “professor” who is irreligious? Like the stoic teaching comedy, the English professor teaching math, the philosopher teaching the truth of the Easter Bunny, or the football coach teaching Miss Manners. You’ll forgive me if I don’t find you particularly well grounded sport. :lol:

    Maybe I’ll follow your lead and teach Progressive politics. I think it great you’re teaching “religious studies”. I mean, you are a prime candidate for the liberal bastions of “moral turpitude” and just about as edifying.

    One thing, though. This comment is frankly stupid and contrary to your whole argument “professor”:

    “I’ve also demonstrated that the word allah predated Islam by hundreds of years …”

    Big deal. Do you think Muslims invented the Arabic language? Grrr…

    That’s the point dip. The Hebrew God told the Jews his name. There is no record of Yahweh, Elohim, or Jehovah before Jews. Get it? Mohammad spun the bottle, picked the short straw, won the lottery.

  • 152. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 24, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Although I think we should assume Palin had something to do with it first.

    Of course it is her fault. She made Tina Fey pretend to be her and say that she could see Russia from her house. There should be no doubt that this makes the bombing her fault.

  • 153. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Huck’s Response: Wow. A suicide bomber just hit one of Moscow’s airports. This could be heavy duty if it proves to be an Islamist attack. Bullshit!!! Could as just as likely been a Fundie or Zionist Pig. There’s huge fucking, trucking, fucking holes in that argument. Got a link?

    Poolman and Rosie O’Donnell: They are all one and the same. Jewish suicide bomber. radical Evangelist, jihadist. I find Christians equally as scary. Here’s 107 different links…
    :smile:

  • 154. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 24, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    If anything, it’s you who doesn’t pray to the same god ad Jews and Muslims. Their god is pure and doesn’t need to share his essence with a man in order to cleanse their souls and play gatekeeper for him.

    Hmmmmmm.

    I seem to recall reading some muslim teachings about how a man could live his whole life righteously and according to the Quran, and still not make it to heaven, with the implication that Allah is arbitrary and unknowable, and jews would still have the whole of the law to contend with, which can become too much about following the letter, and missing the spirit entirely. That was one of the contentions that Jesus had with the Pharisees. Neither of these strike me as being “pure”, nor convey the love of a benevolent creator.

  • 155. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    What good would it to be a Creator and having nothing to do with the creation? That sounds like ‘irreligious’ religious teaching on a libbie college campus, both a contradiction in ‘purity.’ Grrr….

    Fucking, trucking, sucking, motherfucking. Scrooge McDucking where’s that fucking link sucking Hucking…

  • 156. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Speaking of contradictions. Have you seen Reagan Jr.’s Obama’s new campaign strategy makeover?

    Be Like Ron? :lol: How’s that for survival and whoever said a zebra can’t change its stripes? I can hear wailing and gnashing of teeth (oh, too religious) all the way from the Two Useful Idiot’s Blog about right now.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-01-23-ronald-reagan-president-obama_N.htm

    I may end up liking this graying mule with the dyed hair yet.

  • 157. poolman  |  January 24, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    Actually, if Huck is not tied to any religion it may put him in the best position to judge the qualities and characteristics of each and give an unbiased assessment of each.

    The comments here regarding Christianity would not necessarily entice anyone to truly search out that “brand” of faith.

  • 158. Rutherford  |  January 24, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    Thanks Poolman for the updated link …. would have been even better if it had said “pool care”. :-)

  • 159. Rutherford  |  January 24, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Although I think we should assume Palin had something to do with it first.

    Now you’re getting the hang of it Tigre! Remember she can see Russia from her house. :-)

  • 160. Rutherford  |  January 24, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    DAMN I just realized BiW beat me to it!!

  • 161. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    The comments here regarding Christianity would not necessarily entice anyone to truly search out that “brand” of faith.

    Would that be the harshness, exclusivity, and absoluteness of my quotes, or the watered down milquetoast, moral equivalency and all things relative of yours Poolman?

    Kind of analogous to the modern day sightseer, completely new to town, asking for directions. I tell hm to turn Left, take a right, go two miles and cross the path or you won’t get there; you Poolman tell him to head any direction and sooner or later he’ll find his way because every path the same basic track.

    You will just have to forgive me Mr. Poolman if I don’t have much sympathy for the modern day Pharisee party to abortion 49MM+ and counting, or the modern day scoffer, replete with quotations like “I don’t have a problem with any religion, and pretty much see them all as equally mythical and full of crap”, or the equally lovely “This whole “essence of God” and trinitarian bullshit is nothing more than a justification for polytheism so that you can go against the number one rule that God gave to people.”

    Why yes, I can see where that would be appealing to you Poolman. Any mention of Zionists and Jooos and you might have been tempted to convert right along side brother Huck

  • 162. El Tigre  |  January 24, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    “DAMN I just realized BiW beat me to it!!”

    When it comes to sarcasm, I told you to be quick on the draw around here.

  • 163. Rutherford  |  January 24, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    It’s funny Tex, I was wondering just yesterday what will you do if Obama goes big time bi-partisan and robs you of much of your ammo. Will you then just start making sh*t up so you can continue to dislike him?

  • 164. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Here’s another nugget of real “wisdom” demonstrated by the Left. The always popular, “blah blah blah is not tied to any religion, it may put him in the best position to judge the qualities and characteristics of each and give an unbiased assessment of each.”

    Really? Well, how about we carry that philosophy forward to business, economics, science, and medicine?

    Ummm, I don’t know a damn thing about it, so let me judge between several choices to gauge which one is best.

    You make a fabulous Lefty Poolman. No wonder business is a struggle.

  • 165. Rutherford  |  January 24, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    I think Poolman hits it right on the head. Who better to teach comparative religion than someone who does not have a dog in the game?

  • 167. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Rutherford, you’re such a goober. It makes me feel so much better than my oldest, smartest daughter didn’t think it worth the application to Ivy League. She obviously was so much smarter at a young age than the old man. :smile:

    what will you do if Obama goes big time bi-partisan and robs you of much of your ammo.

    Bipartisan? If Obama wants to be Reagan, I’ll vote for him. :wink:

  • 168. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    Like I said Poolman…

    I think Poolman hits it right on the head. Who better to teach comparative religion than someone who does not have a dog in the game?

    You are excellent company sitting on the Left field side of the bleachers. Enjoy your mindless band of lost, bleating sheep.

  • 169. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    Forget having “a dog in the game”. How about a foot in the door…

    If we were talking about rating a movie, I mean be inclined to say, “okay, take some unbiased vantage point and let them be the judge.”

    But to Libs, it’s like observation, repeatability, evidence, knowledge, expertise, experience, and critical thinking skills are irrelevant to any subject at hand. And some wonder how they come to the conclusions they do?

    Dang you people from the Left are dumb. I mean flat out dumb. It’s wonder more irreparable damage hasn’t been done in America the last two years.

    There’s still time!

  • 170. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 24, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    It’s funny Tex, I was wondering just yesterday what will you do if Obama goes big time bi-partisan and robs you of much of your ammo. Will you then just start making sh*t up so you can continue to dislike him?

    Not that I think there is much danger of that happening, but I suspect if he did, we’d being hearing “civil” calls for Revolution and his head from people like this:

    http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2011/01/24/young-commies-to-launch-magical-marxist-bus-tour/

  • 171. poolman  |  January 24, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Most science is being funded by people with an agenda nowadays. The same with University grants. That doesn’t give us good and necessarily real results. The same could be said with our banking/economic system and medicine.

    So yeah, you identify the problem but don’t see it as one.

    You are one blind SOB, Tex. And proud of it, too. :roll:

  • 172. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Most science is being funded by people with an agenda nowadays.

    Like your fun in the sun crowd of anthropogenic global warming as Maine sets at -50F below zero? I think I struck a nerve. Tsk tsk…

    ——–

    Blind as bat. Possible, but not probable. Until it comes to identifying a fraud. Huck is no fraud. He’s just a cantankerous, old, miserable scoffer with a special penchant of Jew hater trying to play catch up in the desert. I just find it the height of irony Huck considers himself a candidate for doctorate teaching in something he considers the biggest fraud ever hoisted on man. I find that seriously humorous. Doesn’t say much for his sense, but to each their own. I have no beef with someone trying to make a living, long as it is legal.

    But Huck doesn’t identify as Christian like you do Mr. Poolman, as you mouth your daily platitudes and conspiracy theories based on who knows what – Simpson cartoons, I guess. If Huck wants to live one heartbeat from eternity, and it’s a very weak heart and eternity a time he can’t possibly comprehend, risking his soul when Christ said one worth more than all the world, then he is the biggest of fools in my book.

    But he is no way a fraud like you are Poolman. I hold no special disdain for Huck. I do you your sanctimonious. :wink:

  • 173. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Oops…to fast on the trigger. Pulled a Rutherford. :smile:

    Ready, Fire, Aim!

    Hit the submit button a little quickly there.

    I do your sanctimonious ilk.

  • 174. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Hey BIC, here’s another bit of irony that Rutherford not capable of foreseeing.

    It’s funny Tex, I was wondering just yesterday what will you do if Obama goes big time bi-partisan and robs you of much of your ammo.

    I think the question Rutherford needs to be asking himself is in the one in a hundred chance that would happen, the real question is “what are the libs like Rutherford going to do about it?”

    Appears to me either way, we win and he loses. :smile:

  • 175. poolman  |  January 24, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Reconcile this, Tex. I think we are heading into a mini ice age. I have never claimed global warming was factual. Guess you were not paying attention, as usual.

  • 176. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Reconcile this, Tex. I think we are heading into a mini ice age. I have never claimed global warming was factual.

    Got a link and proof of your denial? I don’t believe you. I think that’s why you’re in the pool business – you got caught up in the hype. :smile:

    Wrap your fat head around this Caiaphas. Fat Granny is asking her sycophants (that would be you) to make a donation to Planned Parenthood.

    So when are you making the big donation for more infanticide brother Poolman, all in the name of humanity and choice?

    Great company you keep. Baby killers…

  • 177. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 24, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    More grist for Rutherford’s anti-gun hysteria mill:

    http://michaelscomments.wordpress.com/2011/01/24/would-be-cop-killer-achieves-room-temperature/#comments

  • 178. poolman  |  January 24, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Got a link and proof of your denial? I don’t believe you. I think that’s why you’re in the pool business – you got caught up in the hype.

    You want a local one? Try the “Roman Coliseum” comment # 57.

  • 179. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 24, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Wrap your fat head around this Caiaphas. Fat Granny is asking her sycophants (that would be you) to make a donation to Planned Parenthood.

    Of course, the real question is why donations are even necessary…

    http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_AR_011011_vF.pdf [See pages 28-29 for financial data.]

    Who besides the mafia knew that murder was so lucrative?

  • 180. poolman  |  January 24, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    I have been in the pool business since 1975, Tex. I don’t recall any talk of global warming back then. The stats show we were warming until around 2003 then temps began to decrease.

    The sun activity is what plays into the temps the most. Right now solar flares are at an all time low. I’d say invest in plenty of warm clothes. Oil, even though we have a surplus, is going to be going up in cost from here on out.

  • 181. poolman  |  January 24, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Who besides the mafia knew that murder was so lucrative?

    Mossad, CIA, KBR, Carlyle group, Blackwater(Xe), Halliburton, Raetheon, DynCorp, Northrop Grumman, Hundreds more…

  • 182. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    I used to believe the global warming information until I began to research it.

    Oh, so you were only temporarily insane then?

    Started the old “pool” business in 1975? But Time Magazine (lib, like you) predicted an ice age, so you thought the pool business would be a good investment with the coming freeze?

    So you’re a dumbass contrarian? :smile: Kind of explains your excusing Fat Grannies egregious nature, a fan of abortion while calling yourself “christian” with small ‘c’ (cough cough), a supporter of Planned Parenthood, and NARAL.

    What next? An upstanding member of NOW?

  • 183. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Damn, I didn’t have any idea Planned Parenthood that big BIC. They are straight out of the gates of hell. No wonder libs love them.

    But congratulations to the abortion on demand crowd, as I understand we have already passed the magic 50MM scaldings, slaughtering, and dismemberments under the promise, “This will guarantee all chldren will be wanted.”

    How’s that worked out of you Libs with your public schools now war zones? Deviants dumbed downward…

  • 184. poolman  |  January 24, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Started the old “pool” business in 1975?

    Man, are you trying to be dense? I got into the pool industry in 1975. I started my own pool business in Texas in 1987. I moved to Arizona in 1994. I started my own pool construction business here in 2005. I could have cared less about global warming or cooling until the economy tanked in 2007. Until then I was just a workaholic, sometimes putting in 80 hous a week. In 2008 is when I began to do extensive research, when business slowed.

    Just like your ilk that is rewriting the Bible, (do I have to refresh your memory there again about the project of those writing a conservative Bible?) you try to make everything fit your preconceived notions. Instead of learning from truth you try to bend the truth to fit your ideology.

  • 185. poolman  |  January 24, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    How’s that worked out of you Libs with your public schools now war zones? Deviants dumbed downward…

    It is you who have subscribed to the religion of war.

    It is you who have believed a lie.

  • 186. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Let me refresh the room’s memory about what a moron and liar you are Poolman, as you cast yourself the beacon of righteousness. Your own words from another blog today:

    As a pro-life believer, I feel they should concentrate their efforts on ramping down the war industry. That by far does more damage to the living than the abortion industry. Education and birth control vs. ignorance and abstinence.

    Really? Straight out of NARAL talk; 50MM+ legalized abortions ending the life of the most innocent. What war should we ramp down Mr. Poolman to match the death and destruction wrought by Roe V. Wade?

    WWII won’t make it. Perhaps we can resurrect Mao Zedong to make your statement true Caiaphus?

    You’re a blowhard and fool, a weak liar, and an imbecile – truthfully an appeaser to real innocent murder. A proper fit for Fat Granny’s egregious nature, which is where you really belong.

  • 187. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    Poolman, Goebbels Jr.:

    No dancing children playing hopscotch at Auschwitz?

    Here’s your daddy. Reminiscence

  • 188. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    One of Poolman’s blog pals at Fat Grannies. I am sure this makes you so proud:

    I donate every check to PP through CT’s Campaign for Charitable Giving . And when I win powerball I will be funding as many abortions for as many abortions who can not afford one on their own. It is a mission of mine. ~ Kimwin.

    This is who Poolman kept party with until he unfortunately found us. Is that the kind of education you were looking for Poolman?

    Do you honestly think you’re fooling anybody with your platitudes Poolman? Shit man, you’re 10 years out of the Klan hood.

  • 189. poolman  |  January 24, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    There are 30 million abortions every year in China compared to 1.5 here, Tex. Where’s your anger there? Maybe get your military working them over, eh? Sure hope you haven’t bought anything that supports their economy. Nope. Nothing in the Taylor household will have that “made in China” sticker on it.

  • 190. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    China is communist and atheistic. Right up your alley Poolman. You can dig in with the Reds – your economic philosophy is close to statist, resembling the loosely defined “communist form of capitalism.” Unfortunately, they played your true ‘messiah’ El Bongo like a drum last week.

    I can’t do much about China. They’ll receive their own just desserts. They’re already having trouble because of it. Hoards of young men in gangs, with no purpose roaming the streets. Of course, over there, the military removes the problem.

    But I can point your duplicitous natjure well enough, you hypocritical fraud.

    P.S. – my “Conservative Bible” has the inscription “New American Standard.” That predates you or the modern Conservative moment by about 50 years. What do you use? The Margaret Sanger Episcopal Edition, complete with NARAL prologue?

  • 191. Tex Taylor  |  January 24, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    oops…nature.

  • 192. poolman  |  January 25, 2011 at 12:08 am

    Let’s see… I’m a lib, communist, atheist, white supremacist, goose-stepper, jihadist, iman, moron, liar, conspiracy nut, fat head, jew hater, baby killing sympathizer, fraud, slow learner, mullah, next Jared Loughner, and anarchist. That’s just on this thread. I didn’t rate feckless yet, but the day’s not over yet.

    Colorful descriptions of my supposed character, yet no disproving of any of my points. Good work, B Taylor. Successful day for you, bud. Mom should be proud. Go ahead and type out your next onslaught on that made in China keyboard cowboy. Nobody’s watching. :wink:

  • 193. dead rabbit  |  January 25, 2011 at 1:16 am

    I don’t get it, poolman. What do wars you disagree with have to do with abortion?

    Let’s say you are correct. The war against terror is wrong. Why should that fact cause “they” to turn their back on the institutionalized chopping up of babies in the womb?

    I will never get how people can turn their backs on the most defenseless and special humans on Earth, human beings in the womb. Babies.

    When I pointed out your blatant hypocrisy on rhetoric, you claimed it was kosher for you to be a hypocrite. You are always learning, were told. Poolman can be fluid like that.

    You went on to call me out. What can I lay claim to that is so set in stone?

    Well, it’s abortion. It’s the most vile form of genocide on Earth.

    And you seem to be a vile apologist for this mass murder.

  • 194. Rutherford  |  January 25, 2011 at 1:19 am

    Now Tex, what’s all this acrimony towards old Poolman? You two believe in the same God and from what you’ve recently written neither of you have much use for the formal church.

    I’ve got a medical ethics question for you Tex (everyone else feel free to jump in also): How much do you think media attention has effected Gabby Gifford’s medical treatment? Can undue media attention influence a famous person’s medical treatment in an unfavorable way? I ask this because every single positive sign from an open eye to a backrub given to her husband has been trumpeted in the press. Now her move to rehab in TX has turned into a move to another ICU because she has fluid buildup on the brain.

    I’m thinking …. media leave her the f*ck alone and let her recover at her own pace … and let her doctors treat her at their own pace. I’m wondering if treatment under a media microscope is a good thing.

    Any thoughts?

  • 195. Rutherford  |  January 25, 2011 at 1:24 am

    Rabbit I know you think you’ve found some sort of high ground on the abortion issue but there are good and decent people who disagree with you.

    Would you not agree that a society that revered human life so much that it only went to war as an absolute last resort, would be the same sort of society that would protect the unborn?

    In other words, why do you expect a society that glorifies violence and war to suddenly become all warm and cuddly about the unborn?

  • 196. Tex Taylor  |  January 25, 2011 at 2:38 am

    Colorful descriptions of my supposed character, yet no disproving of any of my points. Good work, B Taylor. Successful day for you, bud. Mom should be proud. Go ahead and type out your next onslaught on that made in China keyboard cowboy. Nobody’s watching.

    Tacit threats, hey?

    Japanese – Fujitsu. Not a Chinese part in the bunch. Strictly Japanese.

    You must think I scare really easily Mr. Poolman. By all means, if you think you know who I am and want to “out me”, feel free to do so. Let’s face it. There’s way too much personal information available with a VISA card and few minutes – small businesses offer a lot more information than most.

    But you might want to review Newton’s 3rd Law of Motion before you start, if you get my drift. :wink:

  • 197. Tex Taylor  |  January 25, 2011 at 2:51 am

    Rutherford, knowing what I know about medical records, which are under the most stringent rules of confidentiality punishable by huge personal liability, there’s no way the media would be receiving that kind of information without the family’s consent.

    As Poolman is one step from finding out, I could publish every personal record about your finances, family, every traffic ticket, history, divorce, court counseling, even death – but it would be very difficult to obtain your medical history. If you can do that in Oklahoma, you can do that in every state.

    Anybody living in the state of Oklahoma, within seconds I can tell you a whole bunch of things people would croak someone else knew – all for free with a few clicks of the mouse and only a portion of the first or last name – wild cards work too (I know) :smile:. Court dockets are readily available for free, and I”ll bet BIC or Tigre could set your hair on fire with what they could obtain right off the internet.

    Gifford’s recovery has almost been miraculous. She was unbelievably lucky. It’s nonsensical to think there won’t be serious repercussions from the injuries and major setbacks. The fact that she is breathing is miraculous in and of itself.

    My neurosurgeon buddy told me 95% of head shots are lethal.

  • 198. poolman  |  January 25, 2011 at 2:58 am

    Well, it’s abortion. It’s the most vile form of genocide on Earth.

    Rabbit, I hate abortion. Always have, always will. I protested it in Texas in the 80′s. It sure did raise the hate and anger level in the community. Abortion is an extremely dividing issue. Now we have pundits making it the next crazed lunatic’s focus. Of course it’s “free speech” and won’t influence anything they say. Bullshit. I do not see how making it illegal will stop it from happening. It happened before the law changed. The need has to go away. You cannot legislate morals. Mankind has been trying it since the Old Testament, with little success.

    Educate the kids and provide protection is what has helped to reduce them. They had been declining steadily until this economy tanked and now some are opting for it because they don’t want to try to bring more mouths to feed into the world when they can barely feed themselves, it is surmised. Last year saw the first uptick in decades.

    War on the other hand IS genocide. Ask a Native American, Vietnamese, Korean, Cambodian, Japanese, Palestinian, Iraqi, Kurd, Somali, Rwandan

    We can control these “genocides” if we so chose to. Instead we perfect the weaponry and technique, increasing the global reach of our genocide campaigns. Drone watch, anyone?

  • 199. Tex Taylor  |  January 25, 2011 at 3:08 am

    You cannot legislate morals. Mankind has been trying it since the Old Testament, with little success.

    Quite the contrary, you don’t legislate morality. You legislate against immorality. And abortion is as immoral as it gets…

  • 200. poolman  |  January 25, 2011 at 3:25 am

    Rutherford,

    Call it luck, if you will, that she survived in the first place. It could be argued several ways. I will listen to her take on the whole thing someday, I hope. I think much of Giffords’ recovery is due to prayer. I believe in the power of prayer and have seen healings by the Holy Spirit. He’s even worked them through me. They aren’t just first century events.

    Giffords is on my prayerlist, and I lift her to the Father every morning during my prayertime. Plenty of others are doing the same. I paid her little attention before the incident. Now she is on my mind many times throughout the day. The public IS interested in her condition and recovery. As a public figure she has chosen a public life and wants the people to know how she is doing. She feels obligated and desires to inform her constituency. She, or her family, is the one that is allowing the information to get out, as Tex says. I think she will amaze us with her fast healing.

    This provides info to folks like me who wish her well and helps in the knowing of which areas to concentrate prayer. On the flip side it gives haters an opportunity to know her weaknesses and focus their curses. The spiritual realm works both ways.

  • 201. El Tigre  |  January 25, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Rutherford at 194, I don’t “get” your question. Are asking whether there’s a connection between the media’s reports and Giffords treatment/prognosis? Hell, I think it was MSNBC that was reporting she was dead the afternoon of the shooting, so thing can only go up from there. :smile:

    Tex, I agree that of all personal records, medical and psychiatric are the most difficult to obtain. However, you’d be surprised that in many instances (depending on the institution) how easy they are to obtain from lax staff.

    Poolman, what gives with the interchangeability of “war” and “genocide” with you?

    Actually, what gives with any connection between abortion and war? I know some little shits in the third grade that are bound to be a drag on society as adults (and no doubt liberal victims later in life as they are as children). Why not take them out early while we have a chance? After all, America kills people in foreign countries, right?

    Oh, self-loathing as a form of selective justification could only appeal to lib.

  • 202. an800lbgorilla  |  January 25, 2011 at 10:51 am

  • 203. Tex Taylor  |  January 25, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Gorilla, I guess MSNBC staff didn’t get the message.

    They shit canned prissy Olgermann because he was nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, but a smear merchant and character assassin. I believe Bernie Goldberg called him “the tallest midget in the room.” :lol:

    That crap Olbermann spews only sells in certain markets and only then for a short time. Once Obama got in office, people lost interest. Maddow is simply a better behaved Ogremann, as she lost half her audience not too long after Nov. 2008. Matthews program is constantly in last place – the bottom of the ratings. He’s about on par with Joyless Behar’s show on that alternative CNN channel. Ed Schultz is Jerry Springer – of no consequence.

    And this dumb ass “The Turk” is going to continue with that message? Buwahahaha – six months. :smile: He looks and sounds like a professional wrestler. Turk needs to put on a bandit mask, or something to better play the part.

    ——-

    I heard some stats last night. FOX News is the 4th most watched cable system behind USA, ESPN, and TNT. It is close to passing TNT. MSNBC is 28th, and if I remember right one step behind SPIKE TV. :smile:

    Comcast is going to shake that whole place to their roots. That MSNBC team might sell well in Rutherford’s circles, but as a business it is a losing proposition, and when you don’t got the nanny state supporting you like PBS, you have to make money sooner or later.

    Ironic, isn’t it? The very people who have fought like hell like Beck, me included, to say that Israel is the Jews, to be overseen by the Jews, and that Jerusalem their capital and has been for 3,000 years are the ones accused to being “Nazi Germany” by rank propagandists like this “Turk” Jerk.

    I’ve given money to get people out of the former Soviet Union where Jews are still being persecuted, so that they can afford aliyah. But if you were to talk to the secular Jews of America at the NYT, Washington Post, MSNBC, they would consider me the enemy – and CAIR and Dhimmis like Poolman the good guys.

    It’s probably the most grievous of lies the Left tries to sell. This really is the sands of the coliseum fought on the battlefield of ideas.

  • 204. Tex Taylor  |  January 25, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Did you guys see this? Unbelievable. I always thought the Dimocratic party wrong about a great many things. But I never gave a great deal of thought that they might be suicidal.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/139677-movement-underway-to-draft-olbermann-for-senate-

  • 205. Tex Taylor  |  January 25, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Saw this comment today and thought of Rutherford, Poolman and the Left. :smile: No, seriously. This is what I think of when I consider liberal thought process. I mean, how else could they come to their conclusions?
    ———

    Keith Olbermann tells us violent rhetoric caused the Tucson shootings.

    Keith Olbermann is history.

    Therefore, history tells us violent rhetoric caused the Tucson shootings.

  • 206. Rutherford  |  January 25, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    OK … I admit as angered as I was by Olbermann’s firing, his running for Senate seems to me a bit absurd. BTW I feel the same way about Gopher from the Love Boat, Sonny Bono, Al Franken, even Arnold Schwarzenegger. Call me old fashioned but I’ve always had a bit of a mental block regarding “personalities” running for office. I don’t deny they can do a good job but I still find it a bit silly. (It’s one of the mental blocks I had against Reagan … an actor for goodness sake … I don’t care if he was CA Governor).

    Given the choice between Olbermann and a GOP opponent, Keith gets my vote of course. But I doubt even Olbermann takes himself so seriously as to actually run for office.

    P.S. Full disclosure, the blogger Stranded Wind, mentioned in the article Tex posted, has corresponded with me on several occasions over Twitter and at one time was interested in promoting my “radio” show.

  • 207. Rutherford  |  January 25, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Personally, I love the logic in 205. Good job Tex.

    Oh, while I’m here … question based on Tex’s earlier comment. I know there are loads of web sites that FOR A FEE will get you information on people but Tex said this could be done for free. THAT I find hard to believe.

  • 208. Tex Taylor  |  January 25, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Rutherford, if Poolman wishes to push his luck about “outing” me, I will demonstrate for you just how much information is available all for free about a person – including Poolman’s last 20 years of parking tickets. That’s a fact in Arizona. I checked last night. :smile:

    I can tell you your property taxes, how much your house is worth, your marital status and divorces, how much alimony you get to pay, what the proceeds cost you, if you’ve ever been arrested, beat the wife, smacked the kids, troubled the neighbors, drove while intoxicated, got arrested etc. etc. etc…. Oh yeah, all for free through the help of our “wonderful” court system.

    Personally, I find it an outrageous invasion of privacy, but it’s all there for the taking….

    And if your name happens to be the least bit unique, well then you’ve got a real problem because you can’t even be confused and are completely without excuse of pointing fingers at somebody that just happens to share your name. :smile:

    I ran a check on myself one night and was amazed at just how much people could know about me and my family. How do you think these places you pay accumulate that. They’re just do the research from the same sources.

    It’s a scary world. People are not anonymous like they would like to think.

  • 209. Tex Taylor  |  January 25, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    I hate that Olbermann is gone. Really, its fun to rub his nose in his failures, if you consider $7MM a year a failure, but Olbermann serves an incredibly useful purpose.

    I’m loosely a buddy and fan of this guy that I find wonderfully talented. I would call him more Libertarian than Conservative, but we’ve had a few interesting “conversations” over the years. He’s a little bit older and made an excellent observation this morning that I agree with. A large part of CF’s own observations:

    Keith Olbermann was extraordinarily useful and much needed for all of us.

    A disease that is dormant goes untreated. It is only the rashes, boils, fever, vomiting, …the body’s violent reaction against the disease that awakens us to the peril.

    Olbermann was all those things…and more. He said what Obama would never say. He spouted what leftists wanted to keep hidden and disguise.

    MSNBC is the disease farm, Olbermann was their lead plow horse.

    It is NOT Obama’s soothing words, it is NOT the “calm reasonings” of CNN, ABC, CBS, or even Brian Williams that put us on full alert. No, those dull the senses and distract the ear.

    It was Olbermann who showed us exactly, precisely, brazenly…what the left believes, thinks, feels…and wants to accomplish.

    Putting him back on his leash does us no good. Of course we recoiled at his venom and bile. Of course we were revolted by his frothing madness. It’s the frothing madness of those who mask their intentions and implant their notions with more creative deceit that shields us from the true malevolence.

    It’s not when the mad dogs are barking loudest that should frighten us. It’s when the rabid stop barking and we can’t hear them.

    Unfortunately my mentor is right. Sometimes, Conservatives should be careful for what the wish for too.

  • 210. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  January 25, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    You cannot legislate morals.

    We do whenever we pass a law based on the belief that certain conduct is good or bad.

    You might want to seriously ponder the differences between liberty and license, and what each will get you.

  • 211. dead rabbit  |  January 25, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    Rutherford, out of curiosity, why did you refer to my pro-life stance as me being on a “high horse”. “High horse” insinuates some sort of dishonesty. Do you really believe my disgust for you people that support baby murder, 95 % of the killings committed for the sake of life style, to be grandstanding?

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