Take This Plane and Shove It (and Other Stuff)

Who among us has not been on the losing side of a battle with a customer or a boss? Yesterday, a new hero emerged for the put upon service industry. One Steve Slater suffered the indignity of one too many nasty customers and decided to do something about it.

Steve was a JetBlue flight attendant on a short trip landing in New York. As the plane approached the gate, a passenger decided her time was more valuable than that of anyone else on the plane and she rose from her seat. When asked to sit back down, she refused. At this point various accounts of the story diverge but either she pulled luggage from the overhead compartment that struck Mr. Slater on the head, or the head strike occurred earlier in the flight. Suffice it to say, this woman was making Steve’s day a living hell. She added insult to injury by cursing Steve out.

That’s when Steve Slater transformed from the-customer’s-always-right servant to a justifiably pissed off human being. Steve took to the plane’s PA system and cussed out the pain in the ass passenger and then depending on which version of the story you read, either thanked the rest of the passengers for a great 20 years OR simply said “there goes 20 years of my career”. With that he deployed the emergency chute on the plane, and with a couple of beers in hand, took his leave.

When I first heard this story yesterday my reaction ranged between mild amusement and mild disapproval of Steve Slater’s behavior. However, after hearing more of the story today, I’ve become quite the fan of Flight Attendant Steve. I was reminded of the now accepted practice in movie theaters of the audience getting up and leaving as soon as the credits start rolling. When I was growing up, that simply wasn’t done. You sat and watched the whole damn film. But now everyone has “somewhere to go” and “no time to waste”. The film industry’s response is to occasionally put a blooper reel during the closing credits, or have one final zinger after the credits have stopped. I’m always pleased when this happens because I know that all the important people with places to go have missed a great punchline.

This behavior on planes is the same thing. Everyone is just so important with such important things to do. Even in the case when you are worried about missing a connecting flight the simple fact is you can’t get off the plane until it comes to a stop and the doors open. Getting out of your seat before the plane even gets to the gate makes no sense other than that it gives you a misplaced sense of “readiness”. When flight attendants remind you to follow the rules, you should follow them. Unfortunately, the rude passenger in this incident was only guilty of rudeness according to the police. I’d like to see her arrested for interfering with an airline crew member.

Steve Slater not only flushed his career down the toilet but he may very well face prison time. While unfortunate for him, it provides catharsis for the rest of us who have witnessed self-centered customers treat service industry workers like scum. For just a few moments as Steve slid down that plane chute, it was servant: one, snotty customer: zero.

An Alaska Postscript

While filming her reality series, Sarah Palin ran into a disgruntled Alaskan. In the midst of the to and fro between them, Sarah offered the usual platitudes about her defense of America and puzzlingly seemed to mock the fact that her interlocutor was a teacher. So, as usual, I give Sarah a C- for content. But in this case, contrary to some of the expert political pundits on TV, I give Sarah an A+ for political courage. In the age of Sharron Angle when you can call a press conference and then not take any questions from the press, the fact that Sarah not only didn’t avoid this unhappy Alaskan but actually engaged with her on camera shows some serious, as she would put it, cajones. For those who take her “folksy charm” at face value, this was a winning moment for Mrs. Palin.

Yesterday marked the sad end to a life of service that had seen some rough times recently. Former Alaskan  Senator Ted Stevens, authority on the “series of tubes” known as the Internet, died in an Alaskan plane crash. Some 30 years ago, Stevens had survived a plane crash in which he lost his wife. It makes one wonder if the man was just cursed. More recently, Stevens ran into ethical problems in the Senate and then lost his seat in an election. Steven’s ethics violations were dismissed by Eric Holder who cited prosecutorial misconduct. Loyal readers of this blog know that I always felt Stevens got a bum deal especially in light of his advanced age and years of service. May the longest-serving Republican Senator rest in peace.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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183 thoughts on “Take This Plane and Shove It (and Other Stuff)

  1. Sarah gets points? No, no, no, no,no. She simply proved that she’s nothing more than the same “mean girl” she was in high school. Her entourage acted thuggish & bullying & Sarah’s own demeanor was decidedly shrill, catty & condescending. The eye roll when her former constituent said she is a teacher speaks volumes.

  2. LOL Sandi …. my wife made the same “mean girl” observation. That’s probably one of the things that kills her among a lot of females is she reminds them of the girls they hated in high school. :-D

    Your critique of her is right on the money and I did give her a C- for content. But she does seem to have a “politics be damned” approach. Anyone with any sense, seeing that “worst Governor ever” sign would have high tailed it in the other direction. Not our Sarah! LOL And as I said, what you and I see as catty, snarky, etc. is seen by her fans as “folksy charm”. Among her fans, this was just another triumphant exchange and the disgruntled Alaskan was written off as a shrew who would never make Rich Lowry “sit up straight in his char”. :-D

  3. Palin’s encounter reminded me of Obama’s Joe the Plumber or Brown’s encounter with his “bigot.” Impromptu doesn’t work well when you’re taken to task like that. Of course, the liberal media is making the news on this uneventful event. Incompetent or not, I love that Palin drives you guys so crazy. Why is that R?

  4. My problem is that the only reason this is being covered is that it’s Palin.

    She doesn’t belong in serious news, because she has nothing to say. She joins existing conversations with irrelevant blather, distracts from issues by her inept use of language, and then makes the conversation just about her style.

    She’s in the news, but for no reason. In that respect, she’s pretty much like Paris Hilton or any other useless celebrity.

    An expert on nothing, she’s helping to put more “twit” in “Twitter,” and keeping her name well-known.

    We’re not better for it.

    As for Slater … I’m not a fan of this particular method of quitting a job, usually. But if you’re going to burn your bridge and kiss off the positive reference, then you might as well go all-in, right?

    Gotta give him credit for that.

  5. Wickle, I couldn’t have said it any better regarding Palin.

    As for Slater, after a good night’s sleep, I’ve changed my mind. He did the wrong thing. What he should have done was:

    Deploy the emergency chute, take the idiot passenger’s luggage, toss it down the chute …. and then toss her fat ass down the chute after it.

    After all, she was in a big rush to get off the plane, wasn’t she? :-)

  6. Tigre, you are right that the media makes Palin non-stories into stories. MSNBC’s Hardball tends to put her in the “Sideshow” segment.

    I found yesterday particularly frustrating. Hardball, which could have covered the House vote on economic aid, chose Charlie Rangel’s speech instead. Then Countdown chose to focus on Robert Gibb’s hissy fit.

    As I commented on Twitter yesterday, the media decides what is news, often to the detriment of the consumer.

  7. The press gives consumers exactly what its consumers want.

    The problem is that folks like us here are the exceptions and not the rules.

  8. Steve Slater may not have been politically correct in his explosion, but I loved it.
    Good on him. He deserves a promotion.

    As far as Sarah goes, did you see the way she grabbed that poor lady’s coat and demanded to know her name? And then she scoffed the poor woman, saying she was the government and she could do whatever she wanted to do.
    What an evil bitch.

  9. Rutherford, agreed. I think Palin is a disaster. But I am most fascinated by the left’s reaction to her. The level of contempt and outrage signals to me that there is something deeper going on.

    In the case of an individual, you don”t need to be a psychologist to see that when someone has a fixation with someone else (particularly one that doesn’t directly affect them) the object of the scorn is not the problem. I think the left has a problem with outspoken females (or blacks, or gays, or any other token unempowered the left claims as its own) that doesn’t agree with their views — particularly one that does claim victim status.

    Seriously, why do you guys feel so damn threatened by her?

  10. She doesn’t belong in serious news, because she has nothing to say. She joins existing conversations with irrelevant blather, distracts from issues by her inept use of language, and then makes the conversation just about her style.

    Always kind of what I thought when I read your blog Wickle – you join existing conversations with irrelevant and unusually sanctimonious language, then make the conversations about your style when your not editing, censoring or deleting comments you don’t care for.

    Of course, brave and pious Wickle is no where to be found here when the irreligious blog owner here and elsewhere mocks Palin’s faith, her disabled child, or anything else not up to those pious Wickle standards.

    I’ve about decided you rate concerning the relevance and truthfulness at near or about the Graychin Von Lumberjack scale.

    But well said if you would have considered your comment self-description.

  11. Tex, you know I think we need to change the English language. Instead of people saying “Someone threw an ad-hominem attack at me” they should just say “I’ve been TexTaylored”. :-) How ’bout I send some of your best comments to Merriam-Webster and see if they’ll agree to the change?

    Tigre, I long resisted the notion presented on this blog that I have a problem because I dislike Sarah Palin. But you know what? The feeling is so visceral that there must be something more to it than mere political dissonance.

    I think Sandi struck upon it somewhat. Sarah comes across as a high school student … but more importantly, the high school girl that you didn’t like back in high school. Popular for all the wrong reasons. Mean spirited, manipulative, intimidating in an oh-so-sweet way. The prototypical “mean girl”. Add to that mix the fact that her politics are not only wrong but backed up by the thinnest understanding of what is really going on.

    You see, I can respect Ann Coulter even though I don’t like her much either. Ann is a cut throat acerbic in your face monster of a woman who doesn’t give a sh*t. She WANTS to piss you off. But Sarah hides behind this home-spun facade of the good Wasilla neighbor.

    Now it could be that Rich Lowry and Tex knew girls like Sarah in high school and liked them a lot. Hell, maybe even dated a few of them. Therein, perhaps lies the difference?

  12. By the way, my compliment to Sarah, such as it was, was sincere. The woman is fearless, at least in public. Read John Heilemann and Mark Halperin’s book “Game Change” and you get a very different picture of the private Sarah. A real basket-case. Everyone ought to read that book before the 2012 elections.

  13. I hope if Palin ever visits Rutherford’s state, that she gets a restraining order against him.

    His obsession seems to border on the unhealthy. I fear a “Bob Roberts” moment, except that the guy in the wheelchair might have actually done it.

    ————————————————————-
    As for the disgruntled Alaskan, I fear she’s been sipping the media-ade too long. She didn’t want Palin to become a celebrity? Lady, you’re pissed off at the wrong people. I think your anger is better directed at the members of the chattering class who were spelunking in her uterus 30 seconds after the announcement that Grumpy McOlderson chose her as his tenous connection to the conservatives he couldn’t win with his own political record.

    The fact that the left is still flailing against her if fascinating, and the fact that she walks so well with Andi Sullivan still rooting around in her uterus is nothing short of breath taking.

  14. Another by the way …. Tex you need to cut down on the drug use. I have never mocked Sarah’s disabled child. I have only ever mocked Sarah. Why a reasonably intelligent man such as yourself can’t tell the difference is beyond me.

  15. did you see the way she grabbed that poor lady’s coat and demanded to know her name?

    LOL … ala “Who are yuuuu? Who are yuuuu?”

    Hey Dick, you implying that Dem’s have been caught on video looking much worse? Hell, you may have a point. :-)

  16. BiW, the circumstances of Trig’s birth either cast a suspicious eye on the details of the birth or cast a condemning eye on the choices the mother made once in labor. No matter how you slice it, this was an extraordinary birth handled poorly.

    BUT I do agree with you that the story of Palin’s uterus has run its course. I think it got attention in the early days because everyone said “Sarah who?” and there was little to focus upon outside of the sensational. Some 18 months later, Ms. Palin has provided us with much more relevant stuff to discuss. ;-)

  17. BiW good heavens … how many times do I need to remind you guys I don’t use a wheelchair (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

    Honestly, if Sarah came to town and I actually got to talk with her, I would probably be flummoxed by her celebrity status and mutter “hummina hummina hummina” ala Ralph Kramden.

    I assure you she’d have nothing to fear from me. Heck I might even ask for her autograph and then sell it to Tex. :-)

  18. Rutherford…how come you have different positions here than you have at other blogs?

    You have said countless times here that you felt the AZ law was redundant because it was a State passing laws that the Fed is supposed to handle.

    Yet, at Curators blog he posts a plan that includes State issue of special immigration IDs, which equates to state enforcement of immigration law, and you state that it looks like the only way to get the job done.

    Even though the Fed already issues ID cards to legal.

    Doublespeak?

  19. Even though the Fed already issues ID cards to legal.

    Huck … exactly which ID cards are you referring to? Drivers license? Not everyone drives (besides not issued by the Fed). Social Security card? Easily forge-able. If I remember correctly Curator rallied for biometric id cards.

    And to completely quote me accurately you should point out that I said “show me your card” is only a fine line away from “show me your papers” … a point I believe you were trying to make albeit sarcastically.

    I never said that the Fed has a handle on immigration problems. I said that it’s the Fed’s job and that all AZ did was produce redundant legislation. Let’s see Brewer start issuing biometric id cards to all legals in AZ and then we can talk about a non-redundant solution … which is still not her job … it’s the Fed’s.

    By the way, assuming the two books you cited about Obama are credible, then you are absolutely right that voters should read them before voting, just as they should read “Game Change”. :-)

  20. Ah I failed to address a detail in your comment Huck. I don’t think I noticed that Curator specified “state issued cards”. That would only work if the State issued the cards under Federal direction (i.e. the Fed would delegate distribution of the biometric cards to the states).

  21. ” I don’t think I noticed that Curator specified “state issued cards””

    He did.

    Does that change your position?

  22. Rutherford, face the ugly truth.
    You’re a confused conservative.

    Come on now, we’re friends. You can admit to us.

  23. Rutherford,

    Oh, B.S. Rutherford. You were claiming Trig’s named derived from his disease. Though likable sorts of libs, you and Hippie were despicable that go around. As low as it gets. And then when I proved you wrong by proving Trig named after an Uncle, nary of a mention from either one of you about, “We’re Sorry.”

    You want me to start speculating on Malia and Sasha’s source of naming? Two quickly come to mind, but you aren’t going to like them. :smile:

    BIC’s right – your Sarah Palin obsession borders on John Hinckley mind set.

    And you’ve got my permission to follow John into infamy. :wink:

  24. Don’t worry about Steve, he’ll have a reality series of his own soon after his lawyers get him out of any jail time. Hopefully, he’ll take Palin’s time slot!

  25. “I have only ever mocked Sarah.”-Rutherford Lawson

    “The new dating site for virgins: YouAndMeArePure.com : shame Bristol Palin didn’t know about this site when she had the chance!”-Rutherford Lawson

  26. Is anyone shocked that Rutherford decided to go with a side circus blog entry today?

    The Fed bails Wall-street out again and Wall-street tanks!

    Rutherford, I just want make sure I’m still on the right page.

    Obama’s Stimulus……a success?

  27. “Rutherford. You were claiming Trig’s named derived from his disease. “-Tex

    Yeah…good point. WTF? They acted like they had some kind of inside scoop and then you never heard about it again.

    I thought it was rotten for the start.

  28. First Tex …. the conjecture that Trig might have been named after his ailment again was not a smack at Trig. Did the kid name himself, you dork? It was a smack at the mother. I know you have trouble with nuance but damn!

    Second, Rabbit …. I view Bristol’s situation as the result of bad parenting by a mother who had no interest in being a mother, but rather a self serving celeb. The tweet you are quoting is a dig at the BS mindset of Palin and her kind that somehow abstinence is the only solution to teen pregnancy. (Yes it is the only 100% solution but birth control ain’t a bad idea in a pinch.)

    I admit that Rabbit’s example has more credibility since one needs to think about the tweet to see what is underneath it. I could have rephrased it to take the focus off Bristol. In fact I did a follow up tweet that did indeed make my position clearer.
    I think Sarah Palin should promote this site on Facebook and Twitter :-) YouAndMeArePure.com

  29. Is anyone shocked that Rutherford decided to go with a side circus blog entry today?

    A little levity now and then is a bad thing?

    When have I ever blogged about the stock market? It’s a casino and its ups and downs mean next to nothing. It’s a Rorschach test that each political ideology stamps their interpretation upon.

  30. BiW said: “I think your anger is better directed at the members of the chattering class who were spelunking in her uterus 30 seconds after the announcement that Grumpy McOlderson chose her as his tenous connection to the conservatives he couldn’t win with his own political record.”

    Priceless, and true.

    R the source of your “mean girl” disdain doesn’t match loathing that was expressed by her mere appearance as the Old Man’s running mate. The Internet lit up with the announcement — and the nastiest comments came before there was any info about her whatsoever broadcast. I think the cause is really more of a deeper problem with the farce that is the self-defined liberal, e.g. compassionate, open minded, socially aware, inclusive etc. I think the HATRED is the product of cognitive dissonance.

    But I could be wrong. Someone who is harmless, ignorant, and to be ignored should captivate the liberal media and the inspire the venom of the left.

    Seriously. The left’s false belief in its own so-called enlightenment is so effing phony. The mean girls are YOU!

    BTW, I just finished reading the patently biased Game Change –a tome to Obama. The part I liked the best was Tina Fey’s unwillingness to even speak with Palin on the SNL set, as though she had some reason to HATE her personally. As I said, the mean girls are YOU.

  31. Dick, I’ve listened to you guys on this blog for almost three years now. I can argue conservative points almost better than you guys can. In fact, my wife is about to throw me out on my ass because I counter her sincere liberal views with devil’s advocate positions culled from …. the devils on this forum! :-)

  32. Rutherford @ 31, what the hell is the matter with you?

    “I view Bristol’s situation as the result of bad parenting by a mother who had no interest in being a mother, but rather a self serving celeb.”

    Geeez. How self-righteous can you be? I’m seeing the “political beliefs as a form of mental illness” having real merit. . .

  33. Second, Rabbit …. I view Bristol’s situation as the result of bad parenting by a mother who had no interest in being a mother, but rather a self serving celeb.

    What is your proof, Dr. Spock..I mean Rutherford?

    As a parent, I hope you understand that all you can do is teach them and hope it sticks. Just like any other person growing up, your kid, and mine will come to a point where a decision should be made, and they’ll choose the wrong one.

    I understand, Sarah didn’t make the same choice for her child as the Perpetual Vacationer would make for his daughters…but then her family isn’t known for viewing living beings as “punishments” either. Obviously the sign of a bad parent…at least in the pro-death crowd.

    Now if you have an actual point to make, proof would be very helpful in your making it. Ootherwise, it’s just a slander that undermines what credibility you do have.

  34. The customer is not always right, especially when they ignore the instructions of the flight crew. However, Steven Slater had no right to respond as he did. There are procedures in place to deal with unruly passengers. Cussing them out, stealing beer, and activating the emergency chute is not the correct procedure. Beneath the surface of civility there is sometimes anger. Civility is there to keep order, even when we desire to lash out. We are all guilty of it, Steven Slater took it to an extreme.

    At the same time the flying public needs to realize that their safety depends on the flight crew. I see attending to the physical comfort of the passengers as an excellent way to serve that purpose. It keeps the passengers calm and keeps the attendants in focus as the ones to depend on. In an emergency a familiar face who you associate with assistance is better than a face you see only once during the inflight emergency instructions.

  35. Dick, I’ve listened to you guys on this blog for almost three years now. I can argue conservative points almost better than you guys can. In fact, my wife is about to throw me out on my ass because I counter her sincere liberal views with devil’s advocate positions culled from …. the devils on this forum!

    Lmao!

    Let me know when she tosses ya out. I’ll give ya the spare bedroom.

  36. A misandrist throwing the weak lily on his ass? Are you kidding? Have you ever met a more limp wristed man than Big “R”? Somebody has to take out the trash and it ain’t going to be momma.

    ——————

    Hey Rutherford? Did Big Booty Michelle Antoinette name Sasha after Obama’s stash, or the ebonics version of snatch?

    Ms. Antoinette takes her daughter off on the taxpayer dole to fork out a few million on the taxpayer expense while she whines about our mean country she’s never been proud of – until the caviar and lobster are on us, as they are cutting the food stamp budget. Let them eat cake Herr Obama! Sounds like horrid frickin’ parenting to me…spoiled brats without a sense of responsibility and a ticket to thievery.

    I am going to eat your frickin lunch from here on out when some of these dope fiends of these Dim Senators you suckle appear on the public stage.

    And 70% of your brothas playing sperm donor and splitting town after splitting tail doesn’t sound like great parenting now that you mention it. :wink:

  37. Tigre, the story about the death wish (made in jest I’m sure but tasteless just the same) was not the best part of that link. The best part was: Levi Johnston for Mayor of Wasilla!!! That’s a headline.

    Next it will be Governor and then VP candidate. Mmmmm where have we seen that trajectory before? ;-)

  38. Yeah, because we are talking about exactly the same type of character. After all, Sarah ditched Todd after she got him pregnant and he had her baby…no, wait!

    I’m not even sure I’d equate Levi to Alvin Greene, although I suspect there would be more similarities.

  39. A misandrist throwing the weak lily on his ass? Are you kidding? Have you ever met a more limp wristed man than Big “R”? Somebody has to take out the trash and it ain’t going to be momma.

    As a whole, this made so little sense I’m not sure where the insults are. “Momma” does take out the trash because the garbage bin is usually too heavy for me to get to the bottom of the driveway … you know, limp wrist and all. ;-)

    Tex I know it just burns your shorts that the Obama’s might be better parents than the Palins. I don’t know either family so I could be totally wrong. But if I were a betting man, I’d say the Obama’s ran a more functional household than the Palin’s did even on a bad day.

    When Malia Obama gets knocked up, I will fly down to OK and buy you the finest dinner you ever had. Only trouble is from what you tell me, the finest eating establishments are in Graychin’s neck of the woods …. lilly-white right? :-D

  40. However, Steven Slater had no right to respond as he did.

    Gary you take my defense of Steve a bit too seriously. I said he provided a cathartic moment for any of us who’ve been on the receiving end of a rude customer. But of course his choice was not the right one.

  41. Hopefully, he’ll take Palin’s time slot!

    LOL … Ken he’ll have to compete with Levi Johnston whom I believe is hoping for a reality show to chronicle his campaign for Wasilla Mayor. :-D

  42. Tex I know it just burns your shorts that the Obama’s might be better parents than the Palins. I don’t know either family so I could be totally wrong. But if I were a betting man, I’d say the Obama’s ran a more functional household than the Palin’s did even on a bad day.

    An admission of R’s “the police acted stupidly” remark?

  43. R says: “Tigre, the story about the death wish (made in jest I’m sure but tasteless just the same) was not the best part of that link. The best part was: Levi Johnston for Mayor of Wasilla!!! That’s a headline.

    Next it will be Governor and then VP candidate. Mmmmm where have we seen that trajectory before?”

    WTF???

    Fuckin’ A. Adress the point. You’re an opinionated Harrrrvad man. That’s all you got?

    What’s your point?

  44. When Malia Obama gets knocked up, I will fly down to OK and buy you the finest dinner you ever had.

    How will we know? Daddy will be running to the mill like he said he would before elected. Pro abortion candidate and all. Besides with a mother like Michelle Antoinette, I’m guessing both Malia and Slash will be dykes.

    Only trouble is from what you tell me, the finest eating establishments are in Graychin’s neck of the woods …. lilly-white right?

    Hopefully, I finally ran that racist off. :smile: That would be a definite NO – the finest eating establishments in Oklahoma are not in Graychin’s neck of the woods. I ate at one place near Graychin Van Lumberjack’s place that ruined pancakes. How the hell do you ruin pancakes? Graychin lives in the middle of trailer trash central. :twisted:

  45. Fuckin’ A. Adress the point. You’re an opinionated Harrrrvad man. That’s all you got?

    What’s your point?

    You’ll have to speak louder. He can’t hear you right now. He’s too busy throwing Sarah Palin’s reputation as a parent through those plate glass windows right now.

  46. God. I don’t even like her. Her popularity is embarrassing really. But not anywhere close to as embarrassing as the lame attacks by Rutherford and “his ilk.” I feel like I stepped through the looking glass.

    Fuckin’ Levi??

    It’s like the sign a the apocoplypse . This kind of dialogue is like arguing against a drunk frat boy.

    Please up your game R.

  47. So what could Sarah Palin have done differently, R? Stayed with her daughter 24/7, especially on dates?

    From what I understand Sarah stuck to a strict abstinence approach to birth control for her daughter. So what could she have done differently? First, she could have told the kid to either use birth control or make sure her partner does. (Maybe she did that … but if so, then that makes her a hypocrite for her public abstinence stance.)

    Better yet, BiW maybe she or Todd could have told the girl not to date scum bag Levi Johnston. Or even better … how about forbidding her to date Levi Johnston? There was a time when 17 year olds were told what to do by their parents and they did it. That is unless there was a history of disobedience in the house.

    You guys love to lecture on the dysfunctional ghetto family but have trouble recognizing it when it gets wrapped up in “Americana”.

  48. What’s your point?

    Tigre, what was your point? That some dingbat politician made a very tasteless comment about Sarah Palin? Unless he’s psycho, he did not really want Mrs. Palin dead. He, like many of us, would just like her to go away … and her little almost-son-in-law too.

  49. I’m guessing both Malia and Slash will be dykes.

    Hey, I’m game for that too brother. But here’s the deal, they both have to turn out to be lesbo’s. Then you get dinner on me. Your wife, being the wise woman that she is, will probably counsel you that you are getting ripped off by settling for an OK eatery and she will demand that I pay up in either Dallas or Austin. :-)

  50. How come Rutherford never talks about Al Gore’s parenting?

    Rabbit, seriously … what did I miss? Does he have f*cked up kids? I’m not joking ,… I don’t know what you’re talking about.

  51. An admission of R’s “the police acted stupidly” remark?

    BiW you kinda lost me on that one. If you want to litigate that again …. yes the policeman did act stupidly. So did Gates …. and so did Obama for getting in the middle of it.

    I still haven’t forgiven Lynn Sweet for asking Obama his opinion of the incident. She would never have asked a white President that question.

  52. Dude, we don’t really talk about individual politicians’ families at all. The Palins aren’t perfect. I agree with you. I would of pulled the shot gun on Levi.

    But damn man, the only reason you know the girl got pregnant was becuase the girl had the courage to not abort the baby.

    You don’t even want to know about the other dysfunctional families, particularly liberal ones. And there are plenty.

    How many times are you going to a spearhead a debate revolving around the pregnancy of Palin’s daughter? It’s literally been going on for years now!

    It’s not just the dysfunctional-ism in the ghetto family that gets me yappin’.

    It’s the daily murders of our young people (that you don’t seem to care about) that gets me passionate. Or the fact the ghetto lives off tax dollars. Or the incarceration rate. Or the sheer number of child support deserters. All stuff you never bring up.

  53. No, that wasn’t my point. I honestly don’t know Al Gore as a Dad. I’m not into judging people in that fashion.

    I posted the link to show how weird you are when it comes to the constant analysis of the Palins and only the Palins.

  54. Don’t you find it odd that not one conservative on here brought up Al Gore’s son? Easy pickings. But we didn’t do it.

    Any theory why we don’t, Rutherford?

  55. From what I understand Sarah stuck to a strict abstinence approach to birth control for her daughter. So what could she have done differently? First, she could have told the kid to either use birth control or make sure her partner does. (Maybe she did that … but if so, then that makes her a hypocrite for her public abstinence stance.)

    Do you read what you type? “She could have been a hypocrite, and that would have been fine, except it wouldn’t be, or something like that.”

    I don’t get it. You lefties are so big on “choice” when it comes to what people do with their private parts, but you don’t want the person who made the choice to have sex to own it, because their Mom believes and extols the only 100% effective birth control method known to man. I suppose you did everything your parents expected you to do, or taught you what was right when you were a teenager?

    Better yet, BiW maybe she or Todd could have told the girl not to date scum bag Levi Johnston. Or even better … how about forbidding her to date Levi Johnston?

    Do you have much experience with teenage girls, R? Either of those would be waving a red flag in front of a bull.

    There was a time when 17 year olds were told what to do by their parents and they did it.

    Sometimes yes, and sometimes no. I recall a time or two in my own youth at that age when I didn’t.

    That is unless there was a history of disobedience in the house.

    *yellow flag on the play*
    Referee: Bullshit penalty, 10 yards, fourth down.

    You guys love to lecture on the dysfunctional ghetto family but have trouble recognizing it when it gets wrapped up in “Americana”.

    The one that has children for the checks and bennies from Uncle Sugar, and needs a ouija board to determine paternity…if anyone cares at all?

    I’m pretty sure that Bristol Palin isn’t living on government assistance…I can’t say that for sure, but let’s call it a good hunch.

  56. R asks: “Tigre, what was your point? That some dingbat politician made a very tasteless comment about Sarah Palin?”

    You know my point. Everyone here does too. Dead Rabbitt’s comments refelct mine and what I was sying.

    The lib’s obsession with attacking this woman is really telling about their mindset, not hers. And this was your topic of choice.

    I guess if you don’t want to address something do what all lefites do — feign ignorance. You know, like shifting to dysfunctional ghetto families in response to your self-righteous b.s. about the Palin’s rearing of a teenage girl. We all know it was Bush’s fault!

  57. Rutherford’s time is coming gang. All of these charges, as if somehow he’s an authority on parenting? ** GUFFAW **

    Proponent of public education (epic failure), descendent of both public ghetto policy and sexual revolution (triple dog epic failure), liberal policies (dismal economic failure), and bad personal decision making.

    We will have this conversation again in about ten years if Rutherford and I last that long. Oh, I do have this premonition of this little Suzy coming down the pike with a really nasty attitude and a really free spirited disposition – and a whole bunch of rebellion on the horizon. :smile:

  58. Don’t you find it odd that not one conservative on here brought up Al Gore’s son? Easy pickings. But we didn’t do it.

    Real simple … no one else on here remembered the damn thing. It’s not like Al Gore III got on the cover of US Weekly to talk about his substance abuse problems. After I read the article you linked to, I had a vague recollection of hearing about it before but when I say vague … I mean fuzzy as hell.

    Sorry … you guys not bringing up Al Gore III is no sign of virtue. Tex in particular knows virtually no bottom in an argument. If he had remembered it, Rabbit, he would have beaten you to it, I assure you.

  59. I wonder what Rutherford was saying about Palin when she was first unveiled. I am sure it was flattering.

    Rutherford, good luck with that girl of yours. I have one too (almost 5). Holy cow — when they become teenagers
    we’re screwed. Better be careful about passing judgment on anyone’s parenting based on their child’s behavior. But of course, Palin is not a person in the eyes of the open-minded, compassionate left.

    Rabbitt, I didn’t know about Al’s kid either. I do remember Kitty Dukakis being a train wreck (drinking cough syrup or rubbing alcohol or vanilla or something). I remember G. Ferraro’s boy going to jail for drug dealing or something. We had some state reps’ son hacking Palin’s emails that the left held out as some hero.

    Funny how these guys aren’t pursued with the same passion as the left pursues the Bushes and Palins families. All the cattiness of a hormonal, insecure, teenage girl. You know, the “mean girls” Rutherford was referring to. Do these guys ever, ever, ever look in the mirror?

    Frankly, I re-watched the video put up by Rutherford and thought Palin was relatively gracious when met with the harsh criticism (i.e. I think we have a lot in common etc. ).

  60. Oh Rutherford, you are so mistaken. Al Gore’s dope head son, along with Joe Biden’s cocaine addicted daughter, was exactly the one I was thinking of when I wrote about you suckling at the Senatorial public teat.

    Never mistaken that I didn’t list specifics to be that I didn’t remember. I’ve got a litany of complaints about Dim Senatorial children – and we can start with the serial raping, murdering Kennedy Klan. :smile:

    Here. Give your daughter her history lesson today and show her a great example of a class act:

    http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=253292&id=361997510504&ref=mf

  61. Tex, the mean-spirited sentiment Rutherford denies seems to be spreading. What if these comments were made about their messiah? Holy shit!

  62. That didn’t make sense – try that again. It was hard to type when I was thinking of your future relationships while :lol: that you hold so dear, so utterly confident in your mastery of parenting.

    “were exactly the two”

  63. El Tigre,

    There was a time that I left the families out of it, but when Rutherford reached into the lowest depths about Trig Palin’s name, I removed my restraints and now feel free to rag him about anything and everything.

    It’s actually invigorating.

  64. I wonder what Rutherford was saying about Palin when she was first unveiled. I am sure it was flattering.

    Now you’re gonna find this very hard to believe. When the Pres primaries were over, NBC posted a roster, kinda like a tournament and we all got to vote, week after week, on who we thought would be the best VP pick. Sarah was among the possibilities. I’d never heard of her. I looked at her and said “damn! An attractive young accomplished Governor. She’s a sure thing.” I voted for her online. She ended up losing the tournament. I don’t recall who got chosen.

    Then, McCain picked her. Again, believe it or not, I was excited. Not that I would have voted for McCain under any circumstances but I viewed the pick as very exciting. Then …



    She opened her mouth and gave the beauty pageant hand wave. The love affair ended almost as soon as it started. My wife, who knows women better than I do from an instinct perspective, went ballistic. I’d never seen her so upset … viewed Palin as an affront to the women’s movement and McCain as the ultimate opportunist.

    Since then Sarah has done nothing to improve my perspective. On the contrary she gets worse and worse.

    By the way … my girl is 6 years old so our kids will reach puberty about the same time. I agree with you. It’s likely to be a wild ride but I still believe if my wife and I work hard at it, things will turn out ok. And honestly, if they don’t, I will blame myself.

    Frankly, I re-watched the video put up by Rutherford and thought Palin was relatively gracious when met with the harsh criticism (i.e. I think we have a lot in common etc. ).

    Like I said in the article, for anyone impressed with Palin’s folksy charm, this video segment was a win.

  65. The love affair ended almost as soon as it started. My wife, who knows women better than I do from an instinct perspective, went ballistic. I’d never seen her so upset … viewed Palin as an affront to the women’s movement and McCain as the ultimate opportunist.

    Well, of course she has an instinctive perspective – the wrong instinct as she’s a lib.

    Man hating, pro-abortion, belligerent, vindictive, little understand of the power of being effeminate – classic bra-burning radicalism of the 60′s, which has so failed so many women, that only now is restoring of womanhood to its rightful place of dignity being rectified. The happiest women are generally Conservative in nature.

    The nastiest, most hateful, most dysfunctional, most imbalanced people I’ve ever met at work are liberal women. They’ve practically ruined corporate America with their incessant whining, victimization, and vindictiveness. Even other women hate them, even when the women feel they are underpaid for their work.

    It was liberal women that started the paradigm of sexual harassment classes, where ugly, hatefilled spinsters and bull dykes stood up in front of class rooms and condemned every man as a potential rapist and jackboot – and men were expected to sit there and take it. That script flipped a few years back when men got tired of that bogus dung.

    Classic symptoms of PDS. The fact you’re an MSNBC lackey explains your PDS – I turned it on last night for a moment and it was 100% Palin bashing. I sit and there and laugh at these limp-wristed cowards, knowing fully well they don’t even know what is like to be with a real woman. That explains why so many of them are queer and ugly. Beta males…

  66. I remember hitting the blogs immediately after Palin was unveiled. The attacks from the left were vicious. Just vicious. And totally unsupported. I was utterly confounded by the reaction.

    Why was she an affront to the women’s movement?

    My wife had the opposite reaction. She liked that a non-liberal feminazi was actually brought to the fore. And Even though she doesn’t care for Palin for many of the same reasons most don’t, she considered her selection a breath of fresh air because she wasn’t owned by the hypocritical and sanctimonious woman’s movement that the left believes is beholden to it.

    Incidentally, I am not “impressed with folksy-charm.” I am impressed with personal traits like dignity and restraint. Although Palin is not a model of that, she is more so than the left that casts judgment on persona they paint on their targets.

    How’s Obama’s urban charm treating you? I think he’s an arrogant dickhead.

  67. Tex, stop holding back and tell us what you really think.

    Actually, you really are telling it like it is. I work with a number of female lawyers. Generally speaking, female lawyers hate working with and against other female lawyers. Female law students hated female law students for the reasons. They’ll unabashedly tell you that. As a group they were universally liberal, and, in your words, “the nastiest, most hateful, most dysfunctional, most imbalanced people around.” The very types you would expect to be attracted to law school.

  68. Rutherford, it’s simple. If you want to spend time judging the parenting skills of politicians, for the sake of not boring us to death, move on to other ones.

    You don’t have any theories on why your memory is only “fuzzy” about Gore’s kid?

    You don’t think that maybe, just maybe, it’s indicative of at least a slight bias in the MSM?

    And you don’t think that maybe, just maybe, you are being a pawn in all this.

    Go ahead. As you were. Tweet away. Te hee hee! “Palin’s daughter is a whore.” Te heee heee! “Palin supports the notion of teen age girls opting out of getting fucked in the back room at a keg party. And her own daughter got pregnant!”. Tee heee heee!

    2 years later: Same shtick. Te hee hee hee!

    As for your first reaction to Palin, fair enough. Why can’t your analysis just kind of end there?

    After all, is that shocking to be wholeheartedly disappointed in the intelligence of a politician?

    My God, just look at the whole lot of them. 95% are cake eaters with below average smarts. Is Palin THAT different then, say, Harry Reid?

  69. “There was a time when 17 year olds were told what to do by their parents and they did it.”

    Yeah? When was that? The last episode of Father Knows Best?

    I have 2 boys older than 17. Plus, I was 17 once, myself. And I can assure you that there were plenty of times, in all 3 cases, where the 17 year old didn’t give 2 shits about what the parent told them, and did whatever the hell they wanted to do.

    “…because their Mom believes and extols the only 100% effective birth control method known to man.”

    Well, not 100% (sorry, couldn’t resist)

    “You guys love to lecture on the dysfunctional ghetto family but have trouble recognizing it when it gets wrapped up in “Americana”.”

    This begs the question…

    Does family dysfunction come from mistakes that cause issues within the family or does it come from how those mistakes and issues are addressed (or not addressed)?

    The Palins addressed the issue of this unwed teen pregnancy by sticking together as a family and offering family support to their family member. They addressed it by remaining true to their ideological and religious beliefs.

    I don’t call that dysfunctional.
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    Rutherford, I am sorry but your #78 is complete and utter bullshit.

    July 31, 2008: Comment by Red Pill

    This is going to be a big list. Not all women are as simple-minded as Obama-Girl. Many are quite intelligent, and don’t really like the taste of Obama’s kool-aid.

    And don’t forget to add Sara Palin to the list. She’s been mentioned in veepstakes.

    July 31, 2008: Comment by Rutherford

    Red Pill, thanks for the suggestion of Sara Palin but I’m not gonna condemn her to the list simply because she might be a good Republican veep possibility. Once I actually see her stump for McCain on TV or in print, she goes on the list.

    Of course, that list is a list of female women-haters.

    Kind of a long way from “damn! An attractive young accomplished Governor. She’s a sure thing.” isn’t it?

    And there’s more….

    …Besides, any woman Republican politician has, by her party affiliation, proven that she is lacking in judgement. Including them in the club would be like making fun of the mentally retarded.

    Yeah, that looks like you gave her an honest chance, alright.

    “Then, McCain picked her. Again, believe it or not, I was excited. Not that I would have voted for McCain under any circumstances but I viewed the pick as very exciting.”

    Let’s see how excited you got…

    Red Pill, I’ve got to hand it to you. Palin turned out to be the Honorary President of the John McCain Female Woman Haters Club.

    The only “opportunity” that John McCain gave Palin is the opportunity to be a pawn in his very cynical campaign strategy.If that’s the best women can do to achieve equity with men, then the women’s movement hasn’t come very far, has it?

    … It is funny that this totally irrelevant Vice Presidential candidate has rendered the top of the ticket irrelevant…

    Yeah, you were just oozing with excitement.

    In fact, you were so excited that you took to shitting on women who supported Palin.

    I’ve added Shelly Mandell, President of LA’s NOW chapter, to my list. She makes some of our other members look like total geniuses. She truly seems to support Sarah Palin for no other reason than ownership of a vagina. She also doesn’t seem to understand she’s voting for a President first and foremost, not a VP. I guess the vagina of the VP trumps misogynistic top of ticket. Pathetic.

    Oh, the irony of the bolded portion….

    I rest my case.

  70. “By the way … my girl is 6 years old so our kids will reach puberty about the same time. I agree with you. It’s likely to be a wild ride but I still believe if my wife and I work hard at it, things will turn out ok. And honestly, if they don’t, I will blame myself. ”

    Seriously, Rutherford. It would be a mistake to prematurely blame yourself for all the shit your eventual teen child may get into. There’s a lot of influential factors in the world that are pretty difficult for parents to compete with.

    The best we can do as parents is teach them and hope our lessons resonate when they make their decisions. But if they don’t, it isn’t always our fault.

    You’ll go crazy shouldering it all.

  71. Rutherford, that’s pretty compelling evidence from Huck for a bullshit conviction. Care to cross-examine or present your case-in chief?

  72. Spinster Rutherford = Spinster man hater teaching HR Sexual Harassment Classes…

    Is there a connection here? Have we been fooled into believing Rutherford has a set, when all along we’ve been debating with a flat chested femi?
    :lol:

  73. “He has a fool for a client?”

    Well unless he retains, G-chin, HP or Yellow Dog, in which case he could have a fool for a lawyer too.

  74. Yellow Dog couldn’t find the college, much less pass the Bar Exam. I guarantee you that the bohunk is a menace on the road, if he can figure how to turn the key and put it in drive.

    Dangerous to think there’s morons like the Dawg on the road.

  75. Substitute the name Rutherford Lawson, Hippie Professor, or Graychin Van Lumberjack (Dawg doesn’t count as he would be clueless), and this is how a real Nobel winning economist (not some hack like the insufferable Paul Krugman) would talk to our resident economic bumpkins…

  76. Good video Tex. I actually like the free enterprise system so I’m not quite sure why I need the lecture. Phil Donahue does ask questions that need to be asked.

  77. Now to my defense. Mind you I am not presenting to a jury of my peers hence justice cannot be done. ;-)

    Huck presents quotes out of context of course. The premise of the article that he quotes from is that any woman who supported John McCain was ipso facto a low-self-respect, anti-feminist woman hater. Until she was picked as VP nominee, Sarah was not on the record (to my knowledge) in support of John McCain or anyone for that matter. As I said in my earlier comment, I knew virtually nothing about her except she was a young attractive Governor. I falsely assumed at the time that being Governor involved some minimal intelligence.

    When I say I was excited when she got picked … we’re talking hours gentlemen. The speculation that Friday (I think it was a Friday … maybe a Thursday) was that she might be picked. My interest in her lasted right up until she walked on the stage and started talking.

    Now, in keeping with the premise of my article, even if she had been eloquent and impressive she still would have landed on my Woman Haters page because she qualified for it in spades now being McCain’s number 1 advocate.

    Incidentally, the only woman on the John McCain Woman Hater’s Club that I regret putting there is Nicolle Wallace. Every time I see her I can’t help thinking that she’s doing it just for the money and secretly she knows the GOP is full of sh*t. I see that twinkle in her eye … communicating just to me. :-)

    The defense rests.

  78. Speaking of defense … jury hung on 22 of 24 charges against Blago!!!! Judge won’t let them off the hook yet. Here’s hoping they stay hung and that the two charges they agreed on come back “not guilty”.

    FREE BLAGO!!

  79. Well Tex regarding 79, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt that all the text after you identified my wife as a lib was NOT about my wife.

    As for the rest of it, I have only one thing to say about women in the workplace and it has nothing to do with political affiliation. I have found that women choose one of two ways to succeed in business. They either embrace their femininity, combining it with strength and intelligence OR they emulate the worst traits of their male counterparts. I’ve worked with both kinds of women and the latter type is hell to work with. Yet, they do succeed … perhaps even better than the former type.

    By the way, Tigre and BiW crack me up. They point to participants in a profession where people are trained to twist the truth to meet certain ends, and then they single out women as poorly behaved, Too much. I submit any generalities that apply to the legal profession work cross-gender.

  80. The Palins addressed the issue of this unwed teen pregnancy by sticking together as a family and offering family support to their family member. They addressed it by remaining true to their ideological and religious beliefs.

    Let’s examine that for two seconds. First the revelation of Bristol’s pregnancy did not come as a show of strength. It came to stop the rumors that Trig was Bristol’s child and not Sarah’s. They flaunted Bristol’s time-line to prove that she could not have given birth to Trig and be pregnant with Tripp.

    Second, knowing full goddam well that Levi Johnston wasn’t marrying anybody, they paraded the “engaged couple” around throughout the campaign. Anyone with an ounce of sense knew the engagement would end as soon as Sarah’s VP bid ended. This was not family support. This was showing America what they had to show America because the notion of a bastard grandson would ruin the all-American narrative they were pushing. I’m just wondering how they got Levi to cooperate as long as he did. Maybe he wanted to go to a political convention?

    I will agree with one thing. Someone said earlier in the thread (I think it was Rabbit) that Bristol showed courage in not getting an abortion. I’ll give you that. Having a baby at 17 must be pretty damn scary especially when your mom is in the spotlight. So, yes … kudos to Bristol for making the choice I would want my daughter to make.

  81. Frankly, I’ve no interest in your Palin bashing. See you on the next post.

    By the by, the Bahamas were great. Highly recommend them to those few with a secure job and some vacation time to burn. Speaking of jobs, how about those numbers R? Economy is doing swimmingly eh?

  82. By the way, Tigre and BiW crack me up. They point to participants in a profession where people are trained to twist the truth to meet certain ends, and then they single out women as poorly behaved, Too much. I submit any generalities that apply to the legal profession work cross-gender.

    1. I am ethically bound to respect the Court and to always address it with candor.

    2. I cannot represent something to the Court that is not true. If I did so, my reputation among my peers would be very unsavory, and it would make it very difficult for me to represent my clients well. There is also the little issue of the fact that if I got caught being untruthful in legal proceedings, there are sanctions that the Court can and will impose that could not only ruin my client’s case, but would expose me to great financial penalities, and if eggregious enough, could result in the end of my ability to practice law.

    3. The facts don’t change, but as there are usually two parties to litigation, there at least two viewpoints. For everyone to “have their day in court”, lawyers have to present those viewpoints for the trier of fact, after making a resonable investigation to assure themselves that they are not presenting blatant falsehoods to the Court.

    4. Law offices often overflow with the controvesy that the clients bring through the doors. It is a hell of a lot harder to give your best to clients when your co-workers want to bring their own personal brand of drama with them, and draw you into their conflicts whether you want to be part of them or not.
    I know many excellent female attorneys, and have recommended clients to them when I was confident that their services would be the best for my cleints’ needs. However, I have only known a few that did a really good job keeping it civil with minimum drama when working with other female attorneys.

    But thank you for youe well-informed opinion about how I work in a profession that twists the truth to meet certain ends. With such certainty about what the truth is, you missed your calling. The judiciary could use you. Your instant certainty could be useful in quickly dispensing with the cases that clog the dockets nationwide.

  83. Well BiW you exactly described what I meant by “twist the truth”. It comes down to each side presenting their version of the facts at hand. And FWIW I’m not really a lawyer-basher. I have respect for our justice system, particularly when it works.

    If we’re going to get into generalities, I have found even in business that women can often get “catty” with women colleagues. I think my real objection to Tex’s comment was the suggestion this had anything to do with political ideology. I think that is horsepucky.

  84. how do their life style choices outweigh my rights?

    Gorilla, gays getting married in no way impacts your rights. Are you suggesting you have a right for them not to be able to be married? That’s absurd so I know that’s not where you’re headed.

    Women are women and men are men. What does that mean? Anatomically? If we’re talking behavior and temperament, you and I have both known women who were basically guys with breasts. We’ve also known men who are extremely sensitive and “soft”. I assume you’re not talking anatomy. I assume you’re talking stereotypical behaviors for which there are many exceptions.

    When we get down to it, I think most of the guys on this board find it very hard to believe that the gay man, whom they associate with indiscriminate promiscuity might actually want to be monogamous and settle down with one person whom they love and yes…. perhaps through some method or another, raise a child. If you could contemplate for just a moment that such a gay man exists, how is it in your best interest to deny him that happiness, which you have enjoyed your entire married life?

    By the way, welcome back. Glad you enjoyed your Bahamas vacation. :-)

  85. Give your daughter her history lesson today and show her a great example of a class act

    Tex, an even better example of a class act is how Bush has kept his mouth shut regarding Obama over the past 18 months. I give him major props for being a very dignified ex-President.

  86. I give him major props for being a very dignified ex-President.

    Which is less about his silence, and more about his obvious respect and concern for the troops. I can’t help but to be moved by his visits to Fort Hood, and greeting returning troops at the airport in Dallas.

  87. “R”,

    You didn’t like my #79? Nah, that spew was about generalities of liberal, man hating women in the workforce – everybody hates them. :wink: I have no idea if your wife falls into that crowd, but her PDS is borderline sociopathic like your own.

    There’s something really strange about that personality trait. For instance, when I see Obama, I immediately think narcissistic, smug, bully, liar, incompetent – but I don’t really hate or obsess about the guy. There are far worse Dims that Obama like Harry Reid, Dick Durbin, Joe Biden, Upchuck Schumer, Weiner, and Grayson. This are despicable souls who the world would be better off without – kind of like George Tiller.

    I’m not wishing death upon any of them, but if they happen to drop dead today, I wouldn’t be shedding any crocodile tears either.

  88. “I submit any generalities that apply to the legal profession work cross-gender.”

    Ask a practicing female lawyer that you find truthful and representative if you want rpoof. My experience is near univeral and in complete accord with what the female lawyers I respect have experienced themselves.

  89. Can someone tell me why there has been no bullet put in the head of that little bitch dumping that classified info on wiki-leaks? What a disgrace to the military and our country. Seriously, try him and shoot him.

    I didn’t know that info contains actual names of informants.

    Sickening.

  90. Rabbit,

    That little maggot is undoubtedly from my home state – angry at the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy (yep, he’s a pole smoker). You ought to hear the feedback from Oklahoma. They had a gathering of support for him yesterday and about two dozen assholes showed up – but feedback says 70% here think he is a traitor and should be convicted of treason.

    On account of that miserable SOB, many Afghanis will now be tortured to death. If I get a vote and he is found guilty, I vote for the firing squad (and I’m not kidding).

    If not death, at least give him 30 years solitary confinement in Leavenworth.

  91. Tex, that sucks the little bitch reps your state. Isn’t there anyone with a terminal disease and no family that wants to take one for the team out in your parts? Do what needs to be done.

    Where have you gone, Jack Ruby
    A nation turns it’s lonely eyes to you (Woo, woo, woo)

    ___________________________________________

    Man, whats up with Dr. Laura? Dropping N-bombs and telling some black chick she shouldn’t have ever married into a different race if she can’t be cool with people dropping n-bombs around her.

    If my wife was black and my buddies kept dropping N-bombs I’d kick someone’s ass.

    Black chicks dig me too, so I guess it could have happened.

    Oh man…do I have a few fond memories.

  92. Huck you need to give it a rest. The NYC mosque “thing” is as many of you have said, of national concern and it is therefore appropriate for the President to comment on it. Obama said nothing that Bush would not have said.

    The mosque brouhaha comes down to tolerance vs paranoia. Will we let our paranoia interfere with our long held beliefs that so many of our young men and women have died for over the years? It still confounds me that this is an issue.

    And make no mistake … my question about how far from Ground Zero is far enough is starting to get answered by some on the far right. Their answer … it can’t be far enough. One person (I forget who) has called for no new building permits to be granted for mosques anywhere in the United States. This is the slippery slope we are on gentlemen.

  93. Rabbit … I bet you do pretty well with all the chicks. :-) While this may be true of several folks on this board, I would bet good money that you, more than most, take everyone as an individual before rendering judgment. As a result, all the ladies figure they have a shot at you.

    Dr. Laura has always been one crazy chick.

  94. BTW, the last thing we need is another Jack Ruby. Self delusional assh*le robbed us of proper closure regarding Lee Harvey Oswald, and is singlehandedly responsible for the plethora of conspiracy theories that have flourished over the years.

  95. “Obama said nothing that Bush would not have said.”

    So what?

    I’m talking about all of them. So far we’ve heard from the mayor, the governor, and now the president. On an issue we keep hearing doesn’t involve government.

    You don’t understand my gripe here, Rutherford. It isn’t about the mosque. It’s about government continuing to stick its nose where it doesn’t belong.

    And on that I will give no quarter and no rest.

    Concerning the mosque…you never gave your opinion on the proposed gay bar next to it. And the comment 51 Park had to say in response.

    The mosque organizers feel a gay bar next to their mosque doesn’t take into consideration the sensibilities of Muslims.

    Do you not find that to be the very definition of hypocrisy?

  96. Gorilla I find it funny that the Brits want to quote Rasmussen but then in all fairness they also quoted RealClearPolitics.

    Someone needs to tell them Obama is exactly where Reagan was at this point in his presidency.

    As for the rest of the article, Gardiner is a British little prick of a man, spewing American conservative talking points. Hearing this crap with a Southern accent can only be topped by hearing it with a British accent.

    He works for the Heritage Foundation ,…. he’s a political hack. He’s best ignored. ;-)

  97. LOL Huck …. sorry I didn’t notice the question on the gay bar. Yes actually I think it is an hilarious example of hypocrisy that the Muslims feel we should be tolerant toward their proximity to Ground Zero but they don’t want to be tolerant to other businesses.

    Although I do have to ask a question …. WTF is wrong with NYC zoning laws? A gay bar next to any place of worship seems a bit nutty to me.

  98. Tex, Alvin Greene is just another example of the political season of crazy we’re living in right now.

    I gotta tell you though … I’d like to be on the jury for that trial, The story just doesn’t add up to me. I understand a dude groping a girl (by understand, I mean it makes sense, not that I condone it). But I don’t understand a dude “showing a girl some porn”. What sense does that make? This dude looks pretty harmless to me, bordering on mentally challenged. If I were his attorney, I’d cross examine the sh*t out of little Miss Precious and her mother (who if I’m not mistaken is the one who actually called the cops).

  99. Someone needs to tell them Obama is exactly where Reagan was at this point in his presidency.

    Except…

    In Reagan’s first term, contrary to what the media wants you to believe about the parallels, the economy was already turning around eighteen months into Reagan’s first term.

    Second, Reagan like all Republicans at that time, had a completely hostile media to contend with – and MSM was all there was. Obama has a complicit media, but they can no longer cover his sorry ass.

    Like I said Rutherford – don’t believe everything you read. I know you, Graychick, and the shills at the MSM want everyone to think if we wait, Bongo will turn things around like Reagan did. Ain’t going to happen and Bong ain’t going to turn it around like this – I can guarantee it. Read it and weep. The biggest blowout in the history of Presidential elections:

    http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=1984

  100. Tex, Reagan had one thing that Obama does not have … grandfatherly warmth. You looked at that old wrinkled face and you saw a man who cared … even if you didn’t much like him or his politics.

    Obama does come off aloof … too cool for school as they say. He can’t change it. It’s who he is. And from that perspective, you may be right … it may be his undoing.

    I just watched Carter’s “malaise” speech tonight. For starters, it’s amazing how memory tricks you, I would have bet anyone ten bucks that he actually said the word “malaise” in the speech … but he didn’t, not even once.. Be that as it may, it’s wild to see how little has changed in 31 years. Oil was our problem then, it’s our problem now. Let’s look at those 31 years Tex … 20 of them under a Republican President. Yeah, the GOP sure knows how to solve our problems. :lol:

  101. What’s amazing to me is how easily you’re duped Rutherford. It happens when shills like you use the MSM as your sources of information. You’re still stuck in Watergate mode with Woodward as your source.

    Want an example? I told both you and Hippie this two months ago that the media was corrupt. Here’s another that Bongo blew big time – and the citizens of the state of Louisiana say it was handled worse than any Katrina.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/243665/our-real-gulf-disaster-lou-dolinar :lol:

  102. I’m not sure Rutherford is as much in desperation as he is spin. I think desperation came and went. Hippie Professor does the same thing – it’s like it is inbred in these libs that when their heroes fall, you can always count on one of two types of responses:

    (1) They find some statistic or some rosy scenario to make a favorable comparison – everyone honest knows Obama is no Reagan, heck Obama is not even Bush, nor is Obama capable of leading like Reagan. Obama is not terribly likable – he’s aloof, arrogant, thin skinned, and smug. And apparently Obama doesn’t have a great deal of sense – he’s proficient at campaigning, putting his foot in his mouth and not much else. His wife is worse.

    (2) If bad behavior or epic failure is exposed, they will immediately dig for something by someone of the opposing party to justify their party’s bad behavior, or point to a failure of their adversary. Liberals can’t not admit defeat or that they are wrong. Add to the fact, Obama has been such a huge disappointment and obviously is unqualified by any standard, and that most of these guys sold their souls to get Obama elected, they have a huge vested personal interest. An insult at Obama is an insult at them.

    Rutherford has been in spin mode since the day I met him, but he has run out of propaganda to positively spin. Frankly, I don’t blame Rutherford because everything Obama has done has either been an abject failure (i.e. economy), misappropriated and against the wishes of the majority (i.e. Bongo Care), or highly unpopular (Ground Zero Mosque, KSM trial). HIs only moderate success is follow Bush’s lead.

    Rutherford has chosen to deflect Obama’s deficiencies by ignoring them and finding someone or somebody to demonize. Right now, it’s Palin and Angle, tomorrow Palin and somebody. :neutral: But Rutherford is eaten up with Palin because his wife is eaten up with Palin.

  103. “I told both you and Hippie this two months ago that the media was corrupt.”-Tex

    Rutherford, you got to give Tex props on the oil leak. When we were all running around like the world was going to end because the MSM told us to, Tex was a skeptic.
    _______________________________________________
    Did Reagan have a Republican controlled Congress his first two years?

  104. I do have to hand it to Tex. The catastrophic end of the ecosphere as we know it, was greatly exaggerated.

    Still, Tex, be careful how much you gloat lest BP take that as a sign to leave people high and dry.

  105. Did Reagan have a Republican controlled Congress his first two years?

    It matters not. We’re talking about the popularity of the President, not his Congress. Or are you now telling me you think Obama is a great leader hampered by a terrible Democratic Congress? ;-)

  106. You know they’re in trouble when they have to compare Obama to Reagan. Deep, deep trouble.

    On the contrary, to much consternation from various folks, Obama always held the Reagan presidency up as a model. Called him transformative, if you recall … and said Clinton was not transformative.

    So, comparisons of Obama to Reagan are completely in order.

  107. But Rutherford is eaten up with Palin because his wife is eaten up with Palin.

    I’ll ignore your other stuff cos it’s standard boiler plate Tex Taylor (“abject failure”, etc etc). I will correct this one item because it is simply not true. I personally find Palin to be one of the worst developments in American politics in my lifetime. My wife has mellowed somewhat since her initial explosion regarding Palin. I on the other hand am at a steady simmer. I will not be happy until Palin returns to being the Alaskan housewife and local merchant that she was meant to be. :evil:

  108. Still, Tex, be careful how much you gloat lest BP take that as a sign to leave people high and dry.

    Gloat? Shoot, how about $24K loss so far, and that doesn’t include the dividend check of about a $1,000.00 a quarter we’re now not receiving for the kiddies college fund. I’m not gloating – I’m pissed at BP and pissed at the media. Both are putting me in the poor house.

    I can not believe you spelled the Honorable Ronald REAGAN’s name wrong turkey. The shame… :sad:

  109. “I will not be happy until Palin returns to being the Alaskan housewife and local merchant that she was meant to be.”

    And there you have it, folks. The place for a conservative woman is in the home.

  110. Tex and Rabbit … look at 134 again boys. Unlike you yahoos, when I notice a misspelling, I can correct it pronto. Which I did. (Before either of you notified me.) Of course if you’re getting comment updates via email, you wouldn’t know that since only the first “edition” of the comment is the one that gets mailed.

    Interestingly, I think Reagan had a cabinet member named Regan. How’s that for confusing?

  111. Rutherford, you cheat. You get a chance to correct and we don’t.

    Well, since you’re nice enough to let me post my junk without charge, I “grant” you that right. :smile: Pretty generous and warm, aren’t I?

  112. “Obama always held the Reagan presidency up as a model.”

    What the ?? I know there were a few backhanded comments. What did I miss? I thought Reagan was the devil. . .

  113. Yeah we all know, Rutherford. Any woman who doesn’t share your ideology is a nitwit. She’s as good as mentally retarded and her place is in the home.

    Says the guy who insists he supports equality for women and is sensative to women’s issues.

  114. Any woman who doesn’t share your ideology is a nitwit. She’s as good as mentally retarded and her place is in the home.

    Huck, what patent bullsh*t. Sarah is a nitwit, not all conservative women. I know Sarah is a nitwit, you know Sarah is a nitwit, everyone on this friggin board knows she is a nitwit. So let’s stop the “defense of women” BS.

    Now, I do think that all conservative women are idiots, but not in a dumb way. My comment from your fav post, comparing them to the mentally retarded, was a deliberate angry jab … but a poor choice of words because it implied a lack of intellect. I think there are smart women who are conservative and therefore confound me … much in the manner of “what’s the matter with Kansas”.

    Women still have not achieved pay-equality but pledge allegiance to a party clearly pro-business and anti-reform.

    To get back to the original point … an intelligent Republican woman can at least be talked to. But an idiot like Palin needs to go fishing with Todd and cooking f*cking brownies. :evil:

  115. What the ?? I know there were a few backhanded comments. What did I miss? I thought Reagan was the devil. . .

    The greatest deficiency among conservatives is the inability to get nuance.

    It’s possible to dislike Reagan’s policies and still recognize him as taking a major break from those who came before. Obama has been consistent in citing Reagan as a transformative President.

    Something interesting came up in conversation today. Reagan said government is not the solution to our problems, government is the problem. But Reagan had the brains to know there needed to be some nuance there, Reagan fired a bunch of air traffic controllers. Mmmmm a strike-breaker. Sounds pretty interventionist to me. Today’s brand of brain-dead Republicans quote Ronnie but don’t have a clue to any of the nuance he was capable of. This current brand of idiots, really think government should do nothing but go to war all the time and lower taxes for the very rich.

    Sad, sad, sad. :-(

  116. Can you cut the horseshit on taxing the “VERY, VERY” rich Rutherford? Very rich is now $200K? Two professional incomes together will get you there 10 years out of college. Virtually every business owner will claim $200K of income.

    If you stupid f*ckers on the Left understood anything about business at all, and I’m doubtful when I read moronic comments like you just posted, you might understand why businesses aren’t hiring – which is the only thing that will save Caesar w/No Clothes masquerading as President.

    $200K worth of income is now equivalent with burden, including health care to about $350K. You can tack on about 75% of one’s salary to anyone’s income for anybody that has health care, pensions, and 401K.

    We are being taxed to death – not strictly federal taxes, but fees and services too – another name for a tax. If it’s not a consumption tax or lottery, it’s a tax on everyone – including corporate tax. And you dumb f*cks can’t seem to get that through your thick skull. It’s never been more expensive to live in the U.S., no matter the tax rate. And with them on the brink of raising the SS age, FICA, dividend rates, and the like, and means testing both SS and Medicare, people are saying to hell with this. Get this bastard out now!

  117. “Obama has been consistent in citing Reagan as a transformative President.”

    Oh. That’s the part — the backhanded part I mentioned.

    Not understanding nuance, huh? Do tell. How do you think Reagan would feel about Obama and his (your) desire to cast him as transformative when he’s nothing of the sort?

    Hitler was a transformative leader.

    My point obtains. You’re in trouble when you start comparing Orgasmo to Reagan.

    Orgasamo says Reagan was a transformative president — becuase he fucking was. What the hell does that have to with Orgasmo.

    You kill me R.

  118. “Huck, what patent bullsh*t. Sarah is a nitwit, not all conservative women.”

    Really?

    “…Besides, any woman Republican politician has, by her party affiliation, proven that she is lacking in judgement. Including them in the club would be like making fun of the mentally retarded.”

    Recognize the words?

  119. Tigre, you have successfully confused the living crap out of me. Are you saying Reagan was transformative or not? Just when I thought you were saying no, you said “he f*cking was”. You may have to feed that one back to me in smaller bits.

  120. We are being taxed to death

    Hey Tex, how ’bout you cutting the horsesh*t? Our taxes are at an all time low (at least at the Fed level). Compared to our European counterparts we are also in great shape from a taxation perspective.

    And if I’m not mistaken, this dreaded increase that will hit the rich is about a 4% bump. Oh yeah … that will really break the f*cking bank. While it minimally effects those who can afford to pay, it adds billions to Fed revenue and has a real impact on the deficit.

    You boys love the math that just doesn’t add up. If you cut taxes in a deficit, you ADD to the deficit. Now I have no problem if you guys are saying that lower taxes might spur more investment and subsequent job growth. That’s fine. But then don’t claim to be deficit hawks ‘cos that’s plain BS.

    Oh I forgot, to balance the tax cuts, you want to do away with social security. That’s the ticket!

  121. Huck … you obviously didn’t read my full comment. I already addressed the poor choice of words vis-a-vis “mentally retarded”. It helps to copy/paste the first line of a comment and then run with it. ;-)

  122. Gentlemen, I’m tossing around a couple of ideas in my head about my next post. Which topic is of greater interest to you:

    Barack Obama: A Transitional President

    The Racial Paradox of Barack Obama

    I await your “votes” … or you can suggest a third topic, which if I feel competent to tackle, I will.

  123. And if I’m not mistaken, this dreaded increase that will hit the rich is about a 4% bump. Oh yeah … that will really break the f*cking bank. While it minimally effects those who can afford to pay, it adds billions to Fed revenue and has a real impact on the deficit.

    Well dummy, you keep telling me taxes are at an all-time low, we’ve tried Bongo’s grand machinations, we’ve now reached about a real unemployment rate of 19.0%, Bongo has increased the deficit almost 30% in 18 months, we’ve enlarged the size of government to epic proportions, we’ve lost 3.5M jobs, the housing market continues to collapse, and we’re in danger of losing our AAA debt rating.

    You had a super majority from your illustrious party, we got Bongo care, and everything should be hunky dorky because you’re well on your way to nanny Europe – which by the way has at least five members flirting with bankruptcy.

    But I think you forget that 4% is not the only tax increase. Like the lying lib you are, you fail to mention higher dividend rates increased by a 1/3 for starters. You also fail to mention the highest taxed states in America are also the ones in the biggest financial trouble. And still the light bulb doesn’t come on.

    And sport, at least 50% of America owns some type of capital so this horseshit of the top 1 or 2% being taxed is a joke.

    So what’s your excuse Maynard?

  124. I await your “votes” … or you can suggest a third topic, which if I feel competent to tackle, I will.

    1. Why it is ok for the US to use taxpayer money to refurbish mosques overseas with taxpayer dollars?

    2. Why the Great Uniter believes it necessary to get involved in local matters, and divert attention from the real issues while while choosing sides rather than advocating for solutions that meet everyone’s needs?

    3. The “interesting” positions and associations of the GZ mosque imam?

  125. BiW, on topic 1, you raise an interesting question that I will take in a different direction.

    Why should we lift a finger to help the Muslims presently drowning in Pakistan? After all, they are followers of the evil religion that killed 3000+ of our own. Why don’t we just let them die? It’s a win-win after all. We can be guilt free because we didn’t actually do anything to them … it was an act of God. A Christian God no doubt. ;-)

  126. And sport, at least 50% of America owns some type of capital so this horseshit of the top 1 or 2% being taxed is a joke.

    Tex, seriously, I don’t quite get this comment. Could you elaborate?

  127. Stocks, bonds – any dividend income will increase 33.33% under Obama…

    And that includes over 50% of America.

    You didn’t answer my question Maynard. What’s the problem – you got your wish, your guys, your plans.

    And we are both broke and unemployed under Obama and getting worse. How much more time do you and your hero need?

  128. “Huck … you obviously didn’t read my full comment. I already addressed the poor choice of words vis-a-vis “mentally retarded”. It helps to copy/paste the first line of a comment and then run with it.”

    Fine. Let’s take that part out and see what we’re left with.

    “Besides, any woman Republican politician has, by her party affiliation, proven that she is lacking in judgement.”

    Which brings us back to…

    “Huck, what patent bullsh*t. Sarah is a nitwit, not all conservative women.”

  129. “BiW, on topic 1, you raise an interesting question that I will take in a different direction.”

    You’re equating spending tax dollars to refurbish mosques to spending tax dollars to saving lives?

    Try again.

  130. Gorilla I find it funny that the Brits want to quote Rasmussen but then in all fairness they also quoted RealClearPolitics. ” – R

    RCP? Of course you do realize that RCP averages a series of polls, Rasmussen being just one of the polls used in the average. I use RCP because of its averaging, as well as Pollster, so that liberals in denial- like yourself- can’t make the strawman argument of ‘oh it’s just Rasmussen’. Oh BTW, Rasmussen continues to be one of the most accurate polls out there, so…

    Someone needs to tell them Obama is exactly where Reagan was at this point in his presidency.

    As for the rest of the article, Gardiner is a British little prick of a man, spewing American conservative talking points. Hearing this crap with a Southern accent can only be topped by hearing it with a British accent. ” –R

    Really, this is so funny to me. Have you been paying attention to the financial data coming out? Unemployment? Consumer confidence?

    Reagan didn’t have a majority in Congress, and before you try and poo-poo that, it is critical because Obama can force through ANYTHING his party wants. Healthcare reform? Stimulus? The President and Congress are tied together, especially when they are controlled by the SAME party.

    As for this Reagan nonsense, Reagan had 51% approval when he came into office- Obama had 67%. At this point in Reagan’s Administration, he would be tied with Obama at 42%. That’s a 9 point drop for Reagan, and a 25 point drop for Obama. Clearly, any Reagan comparison is a vacant statement in the absence of context.

    He works for the Heritage Foundation ,…. he’s a political hack. He’s best ignored. ” – R

    We’ll all remember this when you prance out Media Matters and their ilk…

  131. R said: “Tigre, you have successfully confused the living crap out of me. Are you saying Reagan was trans formative or not? Just when I thought you were saying no, you said “he f*cking was”. You may have to feed that one back to me in smaller bits.”

    Yes. He was transformative.

    Hitler was transformative. Why no comparison to him?

    In other words Rutherfoird, the “they’re both transformative” observation is so completely worthless it’s just pitiful really.

    There’s no meaningful comparison.

    Reagan is your Antichrist. Since symbolism (not substance) is what the left is all about, the lame attempt to draw a parallel is evidence of one thing — you guys are in trouble.

    Is that clear enough?

    Why would you be looking to Reagan for comparisons? Is it just that Reagan was down in the polls then emerged and became popular? “It could happen to us too?” Is that what you’re talking about?

  132. Rutherford,

    How many states do you think Bongo will win in 2012? 49? 500+ electoral votes? And remember, Reagan did this while never scoring over 60% approval – showing you how feckless the real value of the polls really are.

    I suppose there’s an outside chance that Obama could stand up and say, “Take this job and shove it, I ain’t working here no more” too.

    And I would say that is far more likely.

    Hoover was a transitional President. :smile:

  133. BiW, on topic 1, you raise an interesting question that I will take in a different direction. studiously avoid answering by asking an exceedingly stupid question.

    Oh, and BTW…when you “quote” me in the future on my own posts…please take care to cite things I actually said.

  134. Oh. I’m sorry. I thought you had said this:

    “On the contrary, to much consternation from various folks, Obama always held the Reagan presidency up as a model. Called him transformative, if you recall … and said Clinton was not transformative.

    So, comparisons of Obama to Reagan are completely in order.”

    Wait a minute. You did (#134). Selective comparisons????

    You guys are in trouble.

  135. I love the hoops folks jump through to debunk climate change. Wouldn’t it just be easier to agree that polluting the atmosphere is a bad idea and we should find a way to stop it?

  136. Ah yes … a bunch of Tea Party blacks hold a press conference with first class fool Alan Keyes on stage and I’m supposed to believe there are no racist elements in the Tea Party.

    And now, a couple of Canadian Muslims give us the “inside scoop” that the “Ground Zero Mosque” is some sinister attempt to thumb the collective nose of Islam at America. Cos a couple of Muslims say it, I’m supposed to buy it wholesale.

    Try again.

    This ground zero story is beginning to get on my nerves. Those whose emotional wounds are still fresh from 9/11 are being exploited by paranoids, bigots and political operatives who want yet another way to divide America. I’m getting real sick of it.

  137. Rutherford,

    You don’t react well when Obama drops the ball, do you? The shrillest I’ve witnessed you is when you pick up on the fact that your idiot for President screws up, then pulls a hamstring trying to retreat from his stupidity. Whether it’s KSM in NYC to be tried, or Muslims poking their thumb in the eye of America in building a mosque where it would be most offensive, right or wrong doesn’t matter.

    The fact that Obama (and you) is wrong is not what bothers you. It’s the fact that it becomes personal for you because you’ve so much of yourself invested in this failure. It’s like the biggest fan of the last place team – he or she just can bring themselves to admit they’ve hitched their ride to a loser. :smile:

    I expect you to become more and more shrill as the election on Obama’s miserable performance becomes more obvious and his former fans jump ship.

    It will be joyous. :twisted:

  138. Those whose emotional wounds are still fresh from 9/11 are being exploited by paranoids, bigots and political operatives who want yet another way to divide America. I’m getting real sick of it.

    And I guess I am to assume that you don’t recognize who exactly is dividing America? Here’s a news flash and a small hint – Allah Akbar. :wink:

  139. As if the entire country doesn’t bear the emotional wounds of 9/11.

    As for division in America, it’s a part of our history and of our fabric. Division means choices. It means free thinking. We couldn’t even create this country without having to work out a compromise because there was division as to how it shoul be run.

    It isn’t ever going to change, and you should hope it doesn’t.

  140. “I love the hoops folks jump through to debunk climate change. Wouldn’t it just be easier to agree that polluting the atmosphere is a bad idea and we should find a way to stop it?”

    Yes. It would absolutely be easier to agree to that.

    But there would still be a dissagreement as to the urgency. And that is a big part of the debate, isn’t it?

    (Notice Rutherford’s comment theme tonight? He’s sick of the division in America, and everything would be easier if we all just agreed with him.)

  141. “Ah yes … a bunch of Tea Party blacks hold a press conference with first class fool Alan Keyes on stage and I’m supposed to believe there are no racist elements in the Tea Party.”

    Guess what…there are racist elements in the Tea Party. That’s right…some of America’s racists are Tea Partiers.

    Wanna know something else?…there’s racist Democrats, too. But they get a pass, don’t they? Light-skinned black with no negro dialect? Clean, bright, and articulate for a black guy? Yeah, lots of nuance there. You have to really read between the lines to see where they’re coming from, don’t you?

    I mean it’s not as overt as a witch-doctor picture in a debate about health care or a caricature of a guy who really really likes waffles on a waffle box to make fun of his waffling…..

  142. You’re right R, because you’ve so clearly demonstrated superior knowledge and understanding of Islam above and beyond what those who’ve studied Islam, particularly Muslims themselves.

    Hmmmmmmm, I’m a bit too tired to find the exact quote, but I seem to remember being told by you that I wasn’t really qualified to talk about racism or the black community.

    This is so B.H.O. (Barak “Hoover” Obama)

  143. Clinton was not told that Islam was the enemy of America. He was told al Qaeda was the enemy of America. He didn’t do enough about it. Then his successor, George Bush was not told that Islam was the enemy of America. He was given a much more specific warning: “Osama bin Laden to attack America” and if I’m not mistaken some of the intelligence suggested passenger planes might be used. He did nothing about it.” – R

    I get oh so tired of this line. This is the infamous August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief. Tell me, without using 20/20 hindsight, if you could have picked out that after decades of using hijacked aircraft for negotiation, that you would have picked up on the change in tactics. Mind you, I want you keep in mind that you have to operate according to a policy memo that went “beyond what is legally required…[to] prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation” when it comes to sharing information between the intelligence community and law enforcement. That means that cops were prevented from intelligence on this.

    Come now R, whip out that little Crystal ball of yours, or at least ask your wife if you can have them for a bit, and explain how you would have done this.

    As for Clinton, during a February 2002 speech, Clinton explained that he turned down an offer from Sudan for bin Laden’s extradition to the U.S., saying, “At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him.” You can hear Slick Willy himself. I’d invite you to read this article, you won’t like it, but you probably need to read it.

    It was Clinton, not Bush who dropped the ball on al Qaeda and bin Laden. And I’m sorry, you continue to give a pass to Obama with the line that he’s only been in office for a year and a half. Bush was in office for 9 months. You can’t have it both ways…

  144. “Those whose emotional wounds are still fresh from 9/11 are being exploited by paranoids, bigots and political operatives who want yet another way to divide America. I’m getting real sick of it.”

    What a profoundly hypocritical comment from someone that slings about the charge of racism and bigotry at every opportunity. Rutherford, you are like a vampire around mirrors.

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