More Headlines in the Age of Insanity

April 9, 2010 at 1:11 am 120 comments

Some headlines really make you wonder whether or not you are dreaming. The latest bits of absurdity to cross my path in recent days, in no particular order:

Nuclear Restraint

Today Barack Obama signed another START treaty with Russian President Dimitry Medvedev. Guess what? MSNBC reports tonight that Republicans in general are opposed to the treaty. In the past, these types of arms reduction treaties passed in the Senate by margins of 98% or more. This time it might be tough to get enough Republicans to sign on to make the two thirds majority needed for ratification. It’s another example of the just-say-no strategy of the GOP but it is also complicated by a recently revealed change in our own nuclear strategy.

With the exceptions of Iran and North Korea, for example, we have pledged not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear state. This departs from our traditional approach of “all options on the table” with anyone. What it translates to by my way of thinking is that we are acknowledging the grave responsibility involved in the use of nuclear arms and we are pledging to use them only in the most dire of conflicts.  We can always depend on some imbecile from the right to get the message wrong and give it a wild spin. So one half of the Bachmann Palin Overdrive suggested today that this new approach is equivalent to the kid in the school yard saying “punch me in the face, I’m not going to retaliate”. Someone desperately needs to tell the half-wit half-term Governor of Alaska that the new approach is the same as the kid in the school yard saying “punch me in the face, I’m not going to blow you away with an AK-47.” It’s called reasonable and proportionate response.

We can only hope that the Senate Republicans depart from their singular obstructionist agenda long enough to ratify this important step in controlling the use of nuclear weapons.

Dumb and Dumber in 2012

Yes gang, in Minnesota this week Fox News’ Sean Hannity broached that nightmare scenario most of us dare not contemplate. He asked an audience of unstable  Minnesotans how they would feel about a Sarah Palin – Michele Bachmann ticket in 2012. Predictably, the crowd roared. Now it is well-known that Sarah is crazy like a fox (no pun intended) and the millions she’s raking in on one deal or another attest to that. Bachmann on the other hand is just plain crazy. Whether it’s investigating which members of Congress are real Americans or worrying about census takers tallying up the folks who will be put in internment camps, Michele is, as Ron Reagan put it, a few McNuggets short of a Happy Meal. One also has to wonder from Bachmann’s comments if she has as much of a crush on Palin as Rich Lowry does.

The real nightmare is … what if I’m totally wrong? What if the majority of Americans find this pair of bobble-heads sufficiently appealing to vote for them? I can’t bear to think of it further. Let’s move on.

Was the Pipe Really Worth It?

I guess no one made it clear to Qatari diplomat Mohammed al-Madadi that smoking is not allowed on domestic American flights. I would further suggest that no one made it clear to the diplomat not to behave like an arrogant prick when confronted with his non-compliance. Trying to out do Gilbert Gottfried in the obnoxious humor department, Madadi told a flight attendant that the smoke she smelled coming from the bathroom was his attempt to light his shoes on fire. Poor Mo didn’t understand that in the aftermath of Richard Reid and Umar Abdulmutallab, we don’t find jokes about setting shoes on fire particularly funny. Qatar is bringing its comedian, ehhh, diplomat back home.

Some in the Arab community are saying Madadi was profiled. I’m sorry gang but when you make a joke about setting your shoes on fire while on a plane several thousand feet above the Earth, you’re lucky not to get the stuffing beaten out of you. I don’t care where you come from.

Billy Bob, the Civil War is Over and You Lost

My understanding is that if you ask the average German about the Holocaust, he’d prefer not to discuss it and if pressed, would express shame. In fact modern-day Germany views that atrocity as a terrible stain on its history. So, could someone please tell me why the South still celebrates the Confederacy?

Virgina Governor Bob McDonnell stepped in it big time when he issued a proclamation declaring April Confederate History Month and neglected to mention that minor element that brought the Confederacy into existence: slavery. Now this response did not really shock me terribly. When I visited Atlanta about 15 years ago on business, one of the first things I found on the hotel TV’s tourist channel was an advertisement for tours of plantations. No where in the advertisement did it say “join us in an examination of a shameful period in American history where Africans were kept against their will and forced to work for no wages.” On the contrary, it looked almost like visiting Frontier Land at Disney World. So I saw first hand that at least some Southerners feel no shame about their checkered past. In fact, they are still angry that they “lost” the war. A few weeks ago, Georgia Representative Paul Broun referred to the Civil War as the “Great war of Yankee aggression”.

Yup, in 2010 there are still Americans who talk about “Yankee aggression”. I’m not sure Broun ever backed off his rhetoric (he is a birther after all) but McDonnell had the good sense after a day or so to re-write the proclamation declaring slavery as a cause of the Civil War and an “evil, vicious and inhumane practice”. Ya think?

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  • 1. Tex Taylor  |  April 9, 2010 at 4:43 am

    As we play submission to the Russians now too, I would feel much better if only I knew that Bomba and Rutherford hated our enemies half as much as they hate Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann and Israel… :shock:

  • 2. Curator  |  April 9, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Yes and lets put Ronald Reagan on the same list of leftist pacifist dreamers who said “I never let my dream of a nuclear-free world fade from my mind.”

    What a liberal pussy that guy was.

  • 3. Alfie  |  April 9, 2010 at 9:55 am

    I posted on the nuke matter with Obama Nuke Deal=No big deal
    I think the treaty is much about nothing and a number of Republicans will go with it even if they do offer up some talking points.

    Your second right up would find me in either Canada or Costa Rica.The former I’ll move into Harpers constituency the latter I’ll room with Woody Harrelson or pick up Rush’s place seeing as he wouldn’t need it any more.

    On the Qatar smoker:Hey a point of possible bipartisan compromise/unity? How about seriously rewriting the whole diplomatic immunity laws chapter?

    A little expanded history lesson for ya’s: Rubbing the German nose into it’s past is generally considered a primary driver for less than liberal reflexes in Europe. I don’t see why the South should be treated the same way. I’ve toured South Carolina and found that they are more than willing to look at slavery,the war and all that. I disagree with the idea that the war was fought due to slavery. This is a too often used oversimplification of the war,the great divide in our shared history for me to stomach.

    Seeing as you’ve commented on my blog set up Rutherford let me reciprocate.I like the thread inviting multi point post set up. Short but succinct doses of Lawson Logic. (yeah you can trademark that too)

  • 4. Alfie  |  April 9, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Oh God…second write up Any other missteps I’ll tolerate but not that one. Man I needs my coffee

  • 5. wken  |  April 9, 2010 at 10:00 am

    For those with a sufficiently-strong stomach, I offer Alexander H. Stephens’ “Cornerstone Speech,” which is pretty much my clincher when anyone tries to assert that slavery wasn’t the main issue in the Civil War:

    http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=76

    The key passage is:

    Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

    Alex Stephens, by the way, was the vice-president of the Confederate States of America. Most people who claim that loving the CSA has nothing to do with racism and is just about history don’t seem to know that.

    I question their love of history.

    As for the rest …

    Even with this new START, we will still be more than capable of killing virtually all of humanity. So, don’t worry.

    Palin-Bachman will go nowhere. Don’t worry about it. Palin has a strong core of support. Most people think she’s a dimwit.

    The Republicans should be able to make a strong run at 2012 with a half-decent candidate. Running the PB ticket would be a great way to shoot that down … and the party knows it.

    Al-Madadi is a moron. I say that, knowing nothing else about him. No one else would make a joke about lighting shoe bombs.

    You know, except the average American frat boy. If Qatar can’t do better than that for diplomats, then they’re in for big trouble.

    Broun is a kook. It’s that simple.

  • 6. Alfie  |  April 9, 2010 at 10:20 am

    wken if you think that’s the money shot you should probably think about calling people out on their love of history.

  • 7. Tex Taylor  |  April 9, 2010 at 11:13 am

    I offer Alexander H. Stephens’ “Cornerstone Speech,” which is pretty much my clincher when anyone tries to assert that slavery wasn’t the main issue in the Civil War:

    Sure it was. And 150 years later after several hundred thousands whites gave their lives on account of it, about 80% of blacks, including Rutherford, are using it as excuse for their poor behavior, own form of apartheid,race pimping, and demand for reparations – though very few whites owned plantations or had slaves. That too is a historical fact.

    The nuclear reduction treaty is a joke as they simply disassemble the warheads, but the Russians are never to be trusted. They’ve already pulled one fast on the Idiot for President as we find out Obama is anything but brilliant from lying about credentials, to daily gaffes of stupidity, to dismal performance. But the wayward idea of removing the missile shield to eastern Europe last year was a monumentally dangerous and boneheaded idea further alienating real allies.

    Worse, as you should know Wickle, Obama has a history of running with rabid Jew haters, and has both alienated and disrespected Israel with adversarial positions continuing daily. Nine out of ten Israelis now the Obama regime the most hostile administration toward Israel since the reformation of the state. The other 10% are self-loathing Jews like Rahm Emanuel.

    You should recognize the danger this poses based on nothing but scripture, if you believe as much.

  • 8. Tex Taylor  |  April 9, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Timothy Curator McVeigh,

    Glad to see you quoting the only great President in my lifetime. Like all sane people, which would exclude you, you should continue further studying the greatness of the man to determine Reagan recognized a nuclear free world a pipe dream as of 1945.

    I can suspect a family of traitors like your granddaddy selling nuclear secrets to the Russians.

    Of course, most of the “Reagan philosophy” completely adversarial to Massa Obama’s principles. Here is but a few and I don’t see you in any of these:

    Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.

    The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

    Welfare’s purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.

    “While America’s military strength is important, let me add here that I’ve always maintained that the struggle now going on for the world will never be decided by bombs or rockets, by armies or military might. The real crisis we face today is a spiritual one; at root, it is a test of moral will and faith.”

    One legislator accused me of having a nineteenth-century attitude on law and order. That is a totally false charge. I have an eighteenth-century attitude. That is when the Founding Fathers made it clear that the safety of law-abiding citizens should be one of the government’s primary concerns.

    “Trust, but verify.”

    “No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size.”

    “Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.”

    “We can’t help everyone, but everyone can help someone.”

    “Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.”

    “Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.”

    “The future doesn’t belong to the fainthearted; it belongs to the brave.”

    “Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born.”

    “While I take inspiration from the past, like most Americans, I live for the future.”

    “Republicans believe every day is 4th of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.”

  • 9. Tex Taylor  |  April 9, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Rutherford and Curator McVeigh,

    Did you guys happen to see this, as this is the party of the left you espouse. I didn’t see this come across the wire as MSNBC. Did I miss it?

  • 10. Tex Taylor  |  April 9, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Guess I missed the Lawson post on this one too.

    The memo is the latest salvo in a war of words between Christie and the union over wage and benefits concessions. Got to love those pacifist union folks, right Curator McVeigh?

    http://wcbstv.com/local/governor.christie.union.2.1621917.html

  • 11. Tex Taylor  |  April 9, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Obama “intellect” shredded in 2,000 words, or less. New hole, nicely rounded with grinder. :lol:

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/these-are-the-smart-people-oh-please/

  • 12. Rutherford  |  April 9, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    half as much as they hate Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann and Israel…

    Unless you’re reading my comments on Alfie’s blog, Tex please explain to me how you tie Israel into this?

  • 13. Rutherford  |  April 9, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Alfie, thanks for the comment. I must confess that the multi-point article style that you like was the result of my not having the time or energy to write a full post on any of its constituent parts. Still I’m glad you liked it … always happy to please the customer. (I’ve done this a couple of times before, always for the same reason.)

    As for slavery vis-a-vis the Civil War, I found fault with McDonnell leaving slavery out altogether. I never said it was the sole reason for the war. Among the other reasons, states rights and a major threat to Southern commerce. By the way, I think it was Ron Paul who said the Civil War was entirely unnecessary. According to Paul, every other industrialized country that used slaves, abolished slavery without a drop of blood being spilled. If that’s true, one has to wonder what made the US “special”. Do we just have a more stubborn brand of racist? Or was our economy very different from that of other countries?

    Still I find celebrating the Confederacy a thinly veiled longing for the days when blacks knew “their place”.

  • 14. Rutherford  |  April 9, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    about 80% of blacks, including Rutherford, are using it as excuse for their poor behavior, own form of apartheid,race pimping, and demand for reparations – though very few whites owned plantations or had slaves. That too is a historical fact.

    Sometimes I really have trouble discerning you from Archie Bunker.

    For starters, I behave quite nicely, thank you very much so I don’t need any excuses. Second your 80% shows how you feel about black people, it doesn’t show you know a damn thing.

    Third, for a country in which “very few whites” had slaves, we sure did spill a lot of blood over the issue. No it was not the only issue but it was fundamental to the dissolution of the Union. Let’s accept your premise Tex … since let’s face it even though you didn’t have to pay the slave, you did have to pay FOR the slave. So it follows that only slave owners discriminated against blacks right? If you could just get off that plantation and go down the road to a poor white guy’s house, you would be welcomed with open arms? Right? Please open a window cos your sh*t tonight is lighting up this thread!

  • 15. Alfie  |  April 9, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    I won’t deny the power and pervasiveness of racism. Likewise though I think the many deeper causes of the Civil War are something we should all study. When I told wken that he has misplaced his focus on what the link offers I’m not kidding. I find near chills happening when I read about the democracy, representation ,and tariff points.

  • 16. Alfie  |  April 9, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Yeah great make a comment and leave out the main point,way to go Alfie.
    I think people can look back at things about the Confederacy without racism in their heart. It is very hard though to disengage Confederacy and racism though,I’ll give you and Wicks that.
    Oversimplification alert….Can one drive the Autobahn without liking Hitler?

  • 17. Tex Taylor  |  April 9, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Unless you’re reading my comments on Alfie’s blog, Tex please explain to me how you tie Israel into this?

    Why? Let’s go to Alfie’s blog and I’ll answer your questions. Here, I’ll just make charges like you do. :smile:

  • 18. Rutherford  |  April 9, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Now Tex, to your other “contributions” to the thread.

    The Russians can’t be trusted and Obama is a Jew-hater. More simplistic stupidity. I can’t believe you waste your time parroting such tripe. It’s truly demeaning Tex.

    Next, let’s fairly dissect your hero Ronnie: (comments in caps to save me a few extra key strokes … not intended to be shouting)

    Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.
    ONE OF RONNIE’S OLD FASHIONED KNEE SLAPPERS

    The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.
    NICE DEFINITION

    Welfare’s purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
    PRETTY OPTIMISTIC DON’T YOU THINK?

    “While America’s military strength is important, let me add here that I’ve always maintained that the struggle now going on for the world will never be decided by bombs or rockets, by armies or military might. The real crisis we face today is a spiritual one; at root, it is a test of moral will and faith.”
    OH YES THOSE MUSLIMS DO HAVE A CRISIS OF FAITH

    One legislator accused me of having a nineteenth-century attitude on law and order. That is a totally false charge. I have an eighteenth-century attitude. That is when the Founding Fathers made it clear that the safety of law-abiding citizens should be one of the government’s primary concerns.
    BLACKISWHITEIMPERIALCONSIGLIERE IS REAGAN’S LONG LOST SON

    “Trust, but verify.”
    SOUNDS GOOD TO ME

    “No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size.”
    NOT SURE I DISAGREE WITH THIS ONE EITHER

    “Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.”
    DECENTRALIZED POWER CAN LEAD TO ANARCHY

    “We can’t help everyone, but everyone can help someone.”
    RIPPED OFF FROM SOME SELF-HELP GURU. LETS THE GOVERNMENT OFF THE HOOK FOR TAKING CARE OF ITS PEOPLE

    “Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.”
    ANOTHER KNEE SLAPPER

    “Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.”
    YET ANOTHER KNEE SLAPPER

    “The future doesn’t belong to the fainthearted; it belongs to the brave.”
    OH THAT’S F*CKIN’ ORIGINAL

    “Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born.”
    NOTHING LIKE TAUTOLOGY TO PROVE YOUR POINT. HOW BOUT THIS ONE: NO DEAD MAN EVER ADVOCATED FOR THE DEATH PENALTY

    “While I take inspiration from the past, like most Americans, I live for the future.”
    AH YES, THE TEA PARTIERS NEED TO HEED THIS ONE AND STOP LIVING IN THE PAST

    “Republicans believe every day is 4th of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.”
    REAGAN DIDN’T LIVE TO SEE A TEA PARTY PROTEST OBVIOUSLY! :-)

  • 19. Rutherford  |  April 9, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Finally Tex … your Christie article and your “liberals behaving badly video” prove what exactly?

    Tex you can play the distraction game all you want. Name me one popular liberal TV personality who advocates what you posted in that video? Now see what conservative media (mainly Fox) contributes to their sides misbehavior. No friggin comparison. And by the way, most folks write Ralph Nader off as a nutjob spoiler. So seeing him in front of a crowd of lib crazies does not move me one bit.

  • 20. Tex Taylor  |  April 9, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    For starters, I behave quite nicely, thank you very much so I don’t need any excuses.

    Well, that may be your opinion, but that ain’t the majority of your board’s opinion. I personally think you got a whole bunch of dishonesty in you with the cherry picked propaganda.

    Second your 80% shows how you feel about black people, it doesn’t show you know a damn thing.

    From the man who told me blacks can’t be racist, and from a group that votes with the herd mentality at 95% and counting. Go look in the mirror and get back with me about piety and color blindness. :roll: The hypocrisy waffles through my screen.

    If you could just get off that plantation and go down the road to a poor white guy’s house, you would be welcomed with open arms? Right? Please open a window cos your sh*t tonight is lighting up this thread!

    Why don’t you try to get passed your Kunta Kinte hangups which is a joke, and tell me a predominantly “black country” which has sacrificed so much for predominantly “black issue” if the Civil War was about slavery as you attest. The most bigoted people in America today are blacks Rutherford, at minimum a large minority who are trying to define whitey’s place. Those days are over. :wink:

    I expect good behavior from everyone in equal proportion. Your demographic considered as a collective doesn’t get along with anybody in particular: (1) Whites, (2) Asians, (3) HIspanics, (4) Jews. In addition, blacks make up the largest majority of violent crime in this nation. When you can get your backyard in perfect order, you can complain about the rest of us and our racial shortcomings.

    The only good thing about Bomba getting elected is finally, after 40 years of groveling, a majority of whites have said, “Enough. The double standards stop now.”

  • 21. Rutherford  |  April 9, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Can one drive the Autobahn without liking Hitler?

    or a VolksWagen for that matter. :-) (I used to own one of the “new” Beetles and I loved that car almost more than life itself … a great drive!!!! I’m just sorry I was born too late to drive one of the originals … then again I think they were all manual transmission and I can only drive automatic.)

  • 22. Tex Taylor  |  April 9, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    You know what’s great Rutherford? That fact you believe you are worthy to provide distinguished opinion about a real leader. :lol:

    There’s only been one President in our lifetime who could be classified as transitional figure. Granted, Reagan was teamed with some superior people like John Paul, Margaret Thatcher, Lech Walesa, but Reagan was a superior President. Even his harshest American hating socialists/libbie critics from a former year now admit as much.

    Richard Reeves once called Reagan “STUPID” once. Ten years later, even Reeves was admitting he was acting as nothing but a hack. Today’s rubes at MSNBC could never do as much.

    You’re teamed with the most worthless, weakest demagogues in the world. It’s amazing to me you don’t see how weak your arguments are. Bomba is completely rudderless and a nightmare.

  • 23. Tex Taylor  |  April 9, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Kunta Lawson,

    Name me one popular liberal TV personality who advocates what you posted in that video? Now see what conservative media (mainly Fox) contributes to their sides misbehavior. No friggin comparison.

    As usual, you’re not only wrong – you’re hopelessly wrong. I can provide many examples as bad, or worse. How about this worthless piece of shit willing to circumvent law?

    MSNBC’s Schultz- I’d Cheat To Keep Brown From Winning In Massachusetts

  • 24. wken  |  April 9, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    For the record, my family comes from North Carolina and my brother is among the “heritage, not hate” crowd. I know the whole argument about states’ rights, export tariffs, etc.. And I know that Robert E. Lee was not a supporter of slavery (though not an abolitionist … you could call him pro-choice, I suppose). I had most of my 11th grade history class convinced that I was a Confederate sympathizer (a long story I’ll tell some other time, maybe).

    However, Stephens does define that the foundation of the CSA is the difference in races, and slavery in particular.

    It’s not really my idea alone, either. The reason that is known as the Cornerstone speech is because of that statement.

    Tex, as to your point that African-Americans use slavery as an excuse for their bad behavior … you’re making that up. Those who refer to disparity and such generally refer to much more recent things.

  • 25. Tex Taylor  |  April 9, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    Wickle, the censoring WordPress blogger. I’m not sure I find you terribly truthful always – but I do find you gutless. I’ve noticed you like to always appease the wrong side. That’s why Rutherford strokes you and uses you when required – you’re the perfect rube. The feeble Christian. It’s guys like you that gave us Obama.

    Tex, as to your point that African-Americans use slavery as an excuse for their bad behavior … you’re making that up.

    Oh, let me throw in Jim Crow too – another of the favorite excuses of the Sharpton and Jackson crowd.

    However, to prove you’re wrong Wickle, how about we talk about another favorite of the black racists, Spike Lee? Got any idea what he calls his production company since you think I’m making stuff up sport?

    When you Google it, come back and explain to me how I’m making things up. Then brush up on your history – you’ve been reading too many lefty history books.

  • 26. Tex Taylor  |  April 9, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    Here’s something else to think about Wickle since you think you’ve got it all figured out. About the sweet, “Christian” nature of Obama.

    http://www.gaypatriot.net/2010/04/09/obama-on-israel-out-of-step-with-america/

    I guess you’ve forgotten the covenant with Abram, or do we just conveniently ignore the consequences? Got news for you Wickle – it rains on the just and the unjust. Don’t think you and your family will be spared those consequences…

    So that I may point out your inadequacies of prediction, you’ll note SCOTUS #2 seeks retirement for Obama to appoint. Rest assured, it will be the heaviest hand pro abortion proponent Obama can find.

    Had McCain won, that would now make the court 7-2 or 6-3 overturning Roe v. Wade. Next time, you go throw away your vote while criticizing a President that gave us Alito and Roberts, and you tacitly accuse Bush a criminal, think about the million legally aborted babies in perpetuity you helped facilitate. :wink:

  • 27. Rutherford  |  April 10, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Tex, not entirely sure why you accused Ken of throwing away his vote. I don’t recall his ever saying he voted for Obama.

    I believe Lee’s production company is called “40 Acres and a Mule”. You wanna make something of that? Not everyone Tex has figured out yet how egalitarian our society is now. Spike and many others of various backgrounds don’t have your clarity on how prejudice has disappeared and we’re all just one happy family.

    Don’t know how long it will take them to wise up. ;-)

  • 28. Rutherford  |  April 10, 2010 at 12:25 am

    Tex, I know you like to make sport of people but have you ever given any thought why you lash out at the most innocuous folks? Hell, I’ve fully admitted I have a mean streak and I periodically try to “hit you where you live” so I don’t blame you for your attacks. But seriously, Ken (Wickle) is one of the most reasonable folks in the WordPress universe. He and I don’t share the same politics and certainly not the same outlook on religion, but he’s never failed to be polite and thoughtful.

    For some odd reason, you pay HP who is your polar opposite more respect than Ken. I’m puzzled.

  • 29. Rutherford  |  April 10, 2010 at 12:30 am

    Those who refer to disparity and such generally refer to much more recent things.

    To make my point more clear and to follow up on Ken’s response, Spike Lee named his prod company “40 Acres and a Mule” to remind folks that things have not changed as much as he would like since the days of promised reparations.

    So no, it is not a gripe about slavery but a deeper gripe about inadequate progress since slavery. I do believe things have progressed quite nicely but unlike you, I don’t think things are even close to perfect yet.

  • 30. LOL  |  April 10, 2010 at 2:25 am

    This doesn’t excuse 150 years of whining and self pity, but whoever thinks the American civil war was not about slavery is deluding themselves in faulty revisionist history.

  • 31. Tex Taylor  |  April 10, 2010 at 6:37 am

    “R”,

    But seriously, Ken (Wickle) is one of the most reasonable folks in the WordPress universe. He and I don’t share the same politics and certainly not the same outlook on religion, but he’s never failed to be polite and thoughtful.

    Wickle being passive doesn’t make Wickle “good” Rutherford. I used to frequent “Good” Ken’s blog where I was much more respectful than I am here. But good Wickle has a tendency to censor and rule – so I will not bother to go back.

    Wickle did throw away his vote and worked diligently to marginalize mine. No wonder you’re a fan. Good Ken had company, but I doubt there were many who were as sanctimonious as “Ken” in doing so. His reasons were self defeating as he thought himself imparting wisdom.

    To make my point more clear and to follow up on Ken’s response, Spike Lee named his prod company “40 Acres and a Mule” to remind folks that things have not changed as much as he would like since the days of promised reparations.

    Thank you for making my point, because “Good Ken” said specifically as much about how I “made up” slavery still an issue with many blacks. Ken is a useful idiot for your crowd and sits in the cocoon of a false sense of piety. At his blog, he can do as he wishes. Good Ken comes here with his preachy and smug attitude looking to make debate, I expect him to back up his charges. And he can’t.

    So no, it is not a gripe about slavery but a deeper gripe about inadequate progress since slavery.

    Whining from the racist Rutherford about a multi-millionaire racist complaining about slavery and using it to become wealthy. I suppose the irony is lost on you? That’s rich – and about the quality of answer I would expect from someone claiming blacks can’t be racist.

    Spike Lee markets in racism and would be living, if he were even living, on a dung heap in Uganda or some other pagan hole if his great granddaddy had not caught the ship instead of attending Knicks games front row. Wonder how Ken would justify the constant bad mouthing of George Bush, who did far more for your beloved roots than your own black messiah will ever do?

    I do believe things have progressed quite nicely but unlike you, I don’t think things are even close to perfect yet.

    With your beloved party’s idea of categorization, tribalization, and demonization – always finding fault with America that refuses to bow the knee to your whims, we’d soon return to Uganda if left to you and the Obama’s devices. When are you going to figure out your idiotic idea of leftist utopia is exactly what Idi Amin Dada promised before he became the dictator? And that is exactly where Marxism eventually leads? Abject failure.

    There is no perfect yet and never will be until the real God returns. You don’t seek individualism leading to common benefit Rutherford. Your a propagandist seeking to rule by dictate, then rub your opponent’s nose in it. Ken is a tool that enables your type, and that is why you are respectful. That is the only reason.

    In the mean time, you ought to thank your lucky stars you are where you are and start seeking to find real truth for once, instead of playing politics to further your self-indulged, self-serving idea of utopia. Good Ken may not be on to your idea of “perfect” – but I am. :wink:

  • 32. Tex Taylor  |  April 11, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Here Ken Wickle,

    This is the kind of man you lend support. Rutherford will occasionally leak out the Christian bigotry and incredibly low character. Think about this next time Rutherford mocks Jesus.

    Aren’t Christian homophobes ironic? After all, they devoutly believe in a fairy tale.

    Lovely person, isn’t he Ken Wickle?

  • 33. Rutherford  |  April 11, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Shucks Tex, I thought the pun rather witty. Inspired by Huckabee saying gays should not be allowed to adopt.

  • 34. Rutherford  |  April 11, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Oh, by the way, who said anything about Jesus? Tex if you really believe Moses parted the Red Sea or Noah put 2 of every animal on an arc then I’m sorry my friend, you need to get your head examined.

  • 35. Tex Taylor  |  April 11, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Tex if you really believe Moses parted the Red Sea or Noah put 2 of every animal on an arc then I’m sorry my friend, you need to get your head examined.

    Yes, I believe this. As you will soon when you stand in judgment. There’s nothing witty at all, as you are the biggest of fools Rutherford. And being you’re about one step away from death’s door, I would think occasionally that fear might cross your mind.

    However, you do realize that your hero Obama also believes these things, don’t you?

    But why the charade when you are talking to Wickle? Why don’t you just tell him that Jesus is a fairy tale, and that 2 billion people are ignorant?

    Besides our politics Rutherford, that is the one major difference between the two of us. I am the same, no matter the crowd. You, on the other hand, are a phony, depending upon which group you find yourself in.

    Why don’t you tell Jews you think Moses was lying? Are you too afraid of alienating voters in the same way Harry Reid finds you second class, so he softens his tone with intelligent sounding negro? :wink:

  • 36. Curator  |  April 12, 2010 at 9:06 am

    This doesn’t excuse 150 years of whining and self pity, but whoever thinks the American civil war was not about slavery is deluding themselves in faulty revisionist history.

    How about mainstream GOP Gov Haley Barbour who saw nothing wrong with the original proclamation that omitted mention of slavery. How long must white people keep showing their ass in public like this? (buries Crimson Tide hat in backyard).

    You GOPhers keep going like this and you wont have any candidates for 2012. It will be the Palin | Bachmann 2012 “The World Is Supposed To End Anyway” campaign.

  • 37. Rutherford  |  April 12, 2010 at 10:14 am

    It will be the Palin | Bachmann 2012 “The World Is Supposed To End Anyway” campaign.

    That was good! “The World is Supposed to End Anyway” campaign. I must say if Palin and Bachmann got elected I think it would be a sign of the Apocalypse.

  • 38. Rutherford  |  April 12, 2010 at 10:30 am

    Why don’t you tell Jews you think Moses was lying? Are you too afraid of alienating voters in the same way Harry Reid finds you second class, so he softens his tone with intelligent sounding negro?

    Well, I don’t give Harry a complete pass on his comment but the fact is that certain accents tend to make people sound ignorant. It’s just a fact. It’s a terrible prejudice but it is a fact. This goes for blacks and heaven knows it goes for Southerners who sadly can say some of the most intelligent stuff and sound like complete lame-brains. Sorry but it’s hard to listen to Einstein’s theory of relativity coming out of Gomer Pyle (or Snoop Dogg for that matter.)

    As for Jews. OK, first I do need some education. Did Moses say he parted the Red Sea or was it written as a third party account that Moses parted the Red Sea? That makes all the difference as to whether Moses was a liar (delusional) or not.

    Second, one reason you’re not as likely to see me attack Jews as I might Christians is that it has been my observation that Jews don’t proselytize. I can’t remember the last time I turned on the TV and saw a rabbi asking me for my money. In fact, again this is just my observation, the only time I’ve seen Jews want anyone to convert is when one of theirs marries outside the religion. Then they want the gentile partner to convert to Judaism and nowadays I think that only happens among very religious Jews.

    It’s also been my experience that many Jews don’t view God the way Christians do. How many of your Creationists are Jewish? Few I believe. I find Judaism much more complicated. Religion and culture and geography almost inseparable. I don’t get that feeling from Christianity.

    So bottom line, I find Christianity a more easy target than Judaism. For the record, I find all organized religion highly suspect. But you already knew that.

  • 39. Alfie  |  April 12, 2010 at 10:45 am

    I won’t align myself with any politician for this argument but I must take exception to this:

    but whoever thinks the American civil war was not about slavery is deluding themselves in faulty revisionist history.

    If we the modern day marvels that make up this Rutherford thread were to be completely honest it would be amazing.
    I guess I should ask what people mean when they say “about slavery”
    I loathe revisionist history and therefore will not allow my name to be sullied by being linked to it.

  • 40. Alfie  |  April 12, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Rutherford my advice to you would be that you stay clear of talking on religion and faith.You have neither and your grip on the subject is one sided also you are fighting a futile battle.

  • 41. Rutherford  |  April 12, 2010 at 10:49 am

    This doesn’t excuse 150 years of whining and self pity,

    “LOL”, since we’re on the subject, does this standard apply to Jews as well? For the past 60 years the credo has been “never let the World forget what was done to us”. Why is that standard appropriate for Jews and not for blacks?

  • 42. Alfie  |  April 12, 2010 at 10:51 am

    2012 will not see a Palin/Bachman ticket. It is to be noted though that it would be the liberals and general Dems worse and best dreams at once.
    Certainly the attack would be quite easy. On the other hand you identity politics whores would have to continue to show how dishonest you are by lashing out against two women.
    I’ll give you this 2012 nugget though. Obama will not face an in house opponent.

  • 43. Alfie  |  April 12, 2010 at 10:54 am

    FWIW I don’t think the black community is guilty of whining and self pity for 150+ years. Sadly it is a smaller segment and for less time,say since 1970 and they have unfortunately helped provide the toxic mist that is hurting the black (and entire) community.

  • 44. Rutherford  |  April 12, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Oh BTW Tex … your moral equivalency is skewed big time. Ed Schulz advocating voter fraud is equivalent to Beck/Limbaugh appealing to the most base instincts of their listeners? Hardly.

  • 45. Rutherford  |  April 12, 2010 at 10:56 am

    I would say Alfie has come closer to the truth than “LOL” on the whole “whining” issue.

  • 46. Rutherford  |  April 12, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Alfie, just so I’m clear, you’re saying Obama will not face a nomination challenge from with in the Democratic party?

    If so, I am about 85% with you on that one. However, I would never have guessed that a House member would call the President a liar on national TV so quite frankly, I think all predictions regarding the Obama administration are made at great risk. I think on January 20, 2009 the “rule book” got thrown out the window.

  • 47. Alfie  |  April 12, 2010 at 11:04 am

    I previously felt Obama would face a (D) challenge. I no longer feel there is a credible person in the party (mmmpphhh) to offer him any static or a better party based message.
    Sit down Rutherford for this one….
    Obama has notched up some successes and is in good standing. Even though the jobs thing is going to be a lagger he can stay and make a case.
    I may disagree with some of his acts or parts thereof but he has grabbed the reins of opportunity and given them a good yank.I also doubt he can play a role in avoiding the typical midterm reversal.

  • 48. Rutherford  |  April 12, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Rutherford my advice to you would be that you stay clear of talking on religion and faith.

    You’re probably right Alfie. I should leave it to Christopher Hitchens. If Tex got into a debate with Christopher, his head would explode. (As rude as Tex considers me, I’m a religious apologist compared to Hitchens. After all it was with Hitchens that the “Mother Teresa is no saint” meme originated.)

  • 49. Rutherford  |  April 12, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Well Alfie, for one thing I still don’t trust Hillary any further than I can throw her. So I would not rule out a challenge by her.

    The other thing to remember is that Obama has disappointed the far left of his base (a shock to most of the folks on this thread who call him a Marxist). If these folks get behind a third party candidate, it might siphon enough votes from Obama for us to end up with President Romney. (Guffaw). Granted that is a third party scenario, not a Dem challenger but the result could still be Obama’s undoing.

  • 50. Alfie  |  April 12, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Hillary is overrated and her and the Pumas got nothing to go with.
    Prez Romney is the least of your problems brother.
    I don’t see any credible threat from a right or left third party in ’10 or ’12. More segments at best.
    I will use what I perceive as your logic line to make a point though.
    Far Left disenchantment would = apathy and possibly no shows at the polls. Then the GOP can steer more (I)s into their camp and win. That has got to be in the playbook of any intelligent GOP strategist.
    That has now inspired a post. Cheers

  • 51. Tex Taylor  |  April 12, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Rutherford, Alfie is right about religion and faith – you’re knowledge a complete void. You’ve lived a terribly godless upbringing obviously, yet your life very sheltered – a dangerous combination of arrogance, victim and naivety. it’s no wonder you’re so screwed up.

    The sad fact is, most 1st graders know more about religion and more specifically the Bible than you do.

    I’m actually embarrassed for you. The most important book penned in all of history (even many secularists admit as much), and you can’t even answer basic questions of authorship about the Torah, more specifically the Exodus. I found one scholar like you while Googling to see what kind of response guys like you come up with as this goon made the ubiquitous claim, “most scholars dispute.” Of course, immediately below his claims of dispute, he also had a petition to charge George Bush as “war criminal.” You people are such a sad story, you’re not even threatening to me anymore. You’re a joke.

    For the past 60 years the credo has been “never let the World forget what was done to us”. Why is that standard appropriate for Jews and not for blacks?

    Every faction, whether race, creed or color can claim some historical oppression. What blacks have experienced then and now pales in comparison to what Jews have suffered for over 4,000 years. Was there some period of 16th – 20th century experience where half of all blacks on earth were exterminated, and without intervention all would have been killed? Please do fill me in on all I’ve missed, as what I know shows mostly blacks oppressing other blacks – even today. Pick a country in Africa and show me its blessings – it appears to be cursed. That’s your roots.

    =======================

    My favorite story of one seeking his origin, vis-a-vis to the worthless, American hating First Lady and Marxist husband:

    Accompanying her husband to Ghana, Michelle Obama was visibly moved visiting the former slave station at Cape Coast Castle where her ancestors were shipped to America.

    When Muhammad Ali visited the same spot in 1964 he remarked that his forbears had not been able to run fast enough to escape the African slave traders.

    He declared: ‘I’m so glad my great-granddaddy caught that ship!’ :lol: :lol:. Spoken like a true champion.

    Be glad your great granddaddy was was a slow runner too Rutherford. It was the luckiest break you ever received. I’m afraid they don’t have much use for your type in Mogadishu.

  • 52. Alfie  |  April 12, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Rutherford I don’t like Palin but I came across a great piece of work that highlights some important points.
    So from here on I don’t want to hear crap about the Ta Paries or how benevolent the left is etc etc…

    http://www.weeklydig.com/content/volume-12-issue-14

    Each point of the political spectrum has its crazies…nuff said

  • 53. LOL  |  April 12, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    @Rutherford: “Why is that standard appropriate for Jews and not for blacks?”

    That certainly isn’t my line of thinking. But if it were, my first comment would be that blacks were rounded up for labor…not extermination. And there is more than a slight difference between the 2.

    My next comment would be about how Jews use that credo to empower themselves in order to rise above adversity. Blacks use it to victimize themselves.

    And I would top it off with the fact that Jews have been getting their asses kicked for a lot longer than blacks. We’re talking since BC times.

    But as I stated, I don’t think it is appropriate for Jews. I don’t agree with a lot of what Jews have done since 1945. And using their past as a reason to kick the shit out of people who had nothing to do with that past is pretty high on my list.

    @Alfie: “I guess I should ask what people mean when they say “about slavery””

    What I mean is that the root of just about every excuse for the civil war goes back to slavery.

    People talk about the economic factors that led to the civil war. But it was an economy that was based on slavery. And the south knew that their economy would be shattered without their labor force.

    People talk about states rights as a factor that led to the civil war. But what was the main state right under contention? Slavery.

    Expansionism has been cited as a reason for the civil war. But why was southern expansion an issue? Because it would expand slavery.

    The tariffs that led to the nullification crisis did not have to do with slavery. But the issue of slavery made the nullification crisis and the issue with tariffs a lot worse.

    So..that is what I mean by “about slavery.”

  • 54. Curator  |  April 12, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    More insanity.

    Does anyone here think that the GOP should run on a platform of “Repeal The Bill”?

    Why would House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) say that repealing the healthcare legislation would be the GOP’s top priority? Does he really think running on taking away tax breaks to small businesses and stripping newly acquired healthcare insurance from Americans is smart politics?

  • 55. Rutherford  |  April 12, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Curator, not only is it dumb politics, it’s impossible politics. They don’t (and won’t) have the votes to override a presidential veto.

  • 56. Curator  |  April 12, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    OMG…… I just read this transcript.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: You’ve now met with President Obama many times. At least 15 meetings and phone calls.

    MEDVEDEV: Sixteen times.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: Sixteen. Okay, I knew it was 15. I wasn’t sure about the 16. What do you make of Barack Obama the man?

    MEDVEDEV: He’s very comfortable partner, it’s very interesting to be with him. The most important thing that distinguishes him from many other people — I won’t name anyone by name — he’s a thinker, he thinks when he speaks. Which is already pretty good.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: You had somebody in your mind, I think. (LAUGHS)

    MEDVEDEV: Obviously I do have someone on my mind. I don’t want to offend anyone. He’s eager to listen to his partner, which is a pretty good quality for a politician.

    I don’ know about you but I’m glad that the two people on Earth that can annihilate human life by launching nukes are “comfortable” with one another.

    What a relief from the (inter)national embarrassment who wanted to peer into into the soul of foreign leaders.

    …and now Liz Cheney’s head can explode.

    Translation: Bushkie vas dumshitskie.

  • 57. Tex Taylor  |  April 12, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Well Curator,

    Assuming for a minute that small business are representative of the general population, and being that 58% of the American public are now in favor of repealing President Frankenstein’s bill, I would say John Boehner (R-Ohio) is on to something! :wink:

    And yes, 58% of people’s wishes are very smart politics, especially considering plans for new hospitals are now being canceled due to “health care” legislation.

    Very smart politics – especially with small businesses who overall hated it to begin with. I sense a huge ass kicking come November.

  • 58. Alfie  |  April 12, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    You’re both barking up the wrong tree. It’s about populism vs populism politics. Boehner will get press,$$ and snippets that will be used to parlay in killing some of the truly insane and inane parts of the PPAC at the same time put GOP fingerprints on things.
    Bigger picture people! Expand your vision.
    An example just to be a nice guy. Revoke the passage that calls for bigger menu signs at restraunts and nutrition facts on vending machines. Think I’m crazy?? What is one of the big news story today. the KFC sandwich Double Down.

  • 59. Alfie  |  April 12, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Curator your embrace of the transcript and story line is telling. the bigger picture is any comfort one may have with lil’ Medvedev isn’t worth much.

  • 60. Rutherford  |  April 12, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Well, how seriously one takes this stuff is dependent on how much Putin is still calling the shots. Medvedev’s opinion may be irrelevant.

    Still I do love Curator’s translation into Russian: Bushkie vas dumshitskie. ROTFL :lol:

  • 61. geoff  |  April 12, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    If the Russians are complimenting him, it means they’re getting what they want from him. Thus far Obama’s foreign policy has been as naive and enervating as it could possibly be. We were on track to lose our superpower status by 2025 – Obama’s made it possible within 5 years.

  • 62. Rutherford  |  April 12, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Geoff, I think the polls show Americans are much happier with Obama’s foreign policy behavior than they are with his domestic agenda. Contrary to what anyone expected , foreign policy may really be his winning hand right now.

  • 63. Alfie  |  April 12, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    Yeah I have to agree with Rutherford on that but with the widely accepted international stance that Obama FP=Bush FP for the most part.

  • 64. geoff  |  April 12, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    I think the polls show Americans are much happier with Obama’s foreign policy behavior than they are with his domestic agenda.

    After 24/7 unemployment and health care reform for the last 12 months, I don’t think anybody’s paid much attention to anything but domestic policy. If they were tracking the power plays by Russia and China like I am, they would find even more reasons to be unhappy. Bush’s policies were ineffective, but at least reflected some vague awareness of the geopolitical playing field. Obama hasn’t even reached that level.

    Or maybe he just doesn’t care.

  • 65. Tex Taylor  |  April 12, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    That’s because most voters have little knowledge of Zero’s foreign policy blunders. Woe be to our allies, many who are now highly regretting their previous support of Zero. But former KGB partners, Hugo Chavez approve highly! Mahmoud has as much called Zero a pussy, and Mahmoud is right.

    That is, where Zero hasn’t lied about striking down previous foreign policies of Bush and simply followed suit.

    Besides, the weakening America in Zero’s methods aren’t a flaw with the charlatan, but a feature. Let’s not forget Zero is first and foremost a Soros lackey and demagogue.

  • 66. Alfie  |  April 12, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    I’m wondering if Geoff and/or Tex would offer up specific points that fit the weakening stand.

  • 67. Tex Taylor  |  April 12, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Alfie,

    Deteriorating and antagonistic relationship toward Israel is one of many.

    But if you want an excellent summary of Zero’s foreign policy foibles, why hear it from me? Take it from the guy who I believe understands it best. Three parts, this is only of three – you can grab the other two at You Tube, if interested.

    John Bolton Shreds Zero’s Foreign Policy *

    * – this sound is not great.

  • 68. An800lbGorilla  |  April 12, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    Curator: Why would House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) say that repealing the healthcare legislation would be the GOP’s top priority? Does he really think running on taking away tax breaks to small businesses and stripping newly acquired healthcare insurance from Americans is smart politics?

    Ahhhhh, no one likes the bill, which is why your moron in chief is still trying to sell it to the people. As for the IRS, some interesting reading…

    Want to lower your odds of an IRS audit? Try filing as a multibillion-dollar corporation.

    The IRS has increased audits of small and midsize businesses, and has decreased its audits of massive corporations, according to a recent study by Transactional Access Records Clearinghouse, a research group at Syracuse University.

    Among TRAC’s findings: The IRS cut back the hours it spends auditing large companies — those reporting assets of $250 million or more — by one-third, even though those corporations have the highest underreported taxable income/assets. TRAC’s report suggests that on an hour-by-hour basis, auditors recover $9,354 per hour from large corporations’ filing errors, which is eight times higher than tax dollars recovered in audits of small and midsize businesses.

    See full article from DailyFinance: http://srph.it/bSm85d

  • 69. Tex Taylor  |  April 12, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    ** GUFFAW **

    Hey RUTHERFORD! Almost by accident I caught about the last 20 minutes of Butch Madcow’s MSNBC slop and saw it was what? A special on Timothy McVeigh? What is this for? Trying to tie the Tea Parties to terrorism now? :lol:

    And while I was watching it, and they went to the typical fluff trying to explain the what and the if – the gun shows, militiamen, and Waco, I noted they left out two huge facts about McVeigh.

    The fact McVeigh rejected all forms of religion, though he was raised in a Catholic home. And I couldn’t help but believe you guys have missed a large part of McVeigh’s makeup – me believing, of course, that McVeigh is in some very important ways related far closer to you and Butch Madcow and Wally Curator.

    And the second point I noted is that there was absolutely no blame placed on a heavy-handed government operation, where there is little dispute that innocent women and children were killed in the inferno – and yet, to the best of my knowledge not one finger was ever pointed to anyone in the government, nor was any blame taken, including the 2nd worst Attorney General of all time (and the ugliest) by the name of Janet Reno.

    What’s wrong with you cowards from the Left? You starting to sweat maybe you guys are making a few too many loose cannons for enemy? Bogeymen starting to scare you now? Grandma Tea Partier packing heat?

    You guys are without doubt the biggest bunch of paranoid wimps this side of Al-Qaeda.

  • 70. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  April 12, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    Tex if you really believe Moses parted the Red Sea or Noah put 2 of every animal on an arc then I’m sorry my friend, you need to get your head examined.

    Must be a real interesting translation Tex is reading. Mine is fairly clear about who did the parting, and it weren’t the reluctant jewish leader. ;-)

    15 And the LORD said to Moses, “Why do you cry to Me? Tell the children of Israel to go forward. 16 But lift up your rod, and stretch out your hand over the sea and divide it. And the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea. 17 And I indeed will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them. So I will gain honor over Pharaoh and over all his army, his chariots, and his horsemen. 18 Then the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I have gained honor for Myself over Pharaoh, his chariots, and his horsemen.”
    19 And the Angel of God, who went before the camp of Israel, moved and went behind them; and the pillar of cloud went from before them and stood behind them. 20 So it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel. Thus it was a cloud and darkness to the one, and it gave light by night to the other, so that the one did not come near the other all that night.
    21 Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea into dry land, and the waters were divided.

  • 71. Tex Taylor  |  April 12, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    Curator,

    Income falls 3.2% during Obama’s term

    Now if memory serves, you were assuring all of us that we were in the midst of a huge recovery, with incomparable growth leading us all to the promised land…believe it says as much on your blog.

    And you’ll note so there is no misunderstanding, this is your beloved CBO reporting as such.

    Feign and jab son. Feign and jab…

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/13/personal-income-falls-32-during-obamas-15-months/

  • 72. Tex Taylor  |  April 12, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    BIC,

    Not only does Baal Lawson not believe as he has called it all a fairy tale, but Baal L. doesn’t recognize Moses also authored the very words either…

    You would think to deny, he might at least read up so he could make an educated argument.

    Ignorance is bliss – for a short time in this case.

  • 73. geoff  |  April 13, 2010 at 12:45 am

    I’m wondering if Geoff and/or Tex would offer up specific points that fit the weakening stand.

    I’ve devoted a good part of my blog to it, most recently here. You can also click on the “Cold War II” topic on the sidebar to get 40+ similar posts on the decline of the US and the ascendancy of Russia and China. There are many more buried in “Current Events,” because I was too lazy to categorize them.

  • 74. LOL  |  April 13, 2010 at 1:19 am

    “Curator, not only is it dumb politics, it’s impossible politics. They don’t (and won’t) have the votes to override a presidential veto.”

    But we will have enough votes to control the nation’s purse. And that bill needs funding.

  • 75. Curator  |  April 13, 2010 at 11:05 am

    @Tex

    I doubt any sane person would be surprised to learn that personal income has decreased. We’ve just been through the worst recession since the Great Depression.

    What is your point? The damage was well under way before Obama took office. You realize that it does take awhile to reverse such damage? Why not look at the latest monthly snapshot from February?

    http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/pi/pinewsrelease.htm

    Personal income increased $1.2 billion, or less than 0.1 percent, and disposable personal income
    (DPI) increased $1.6 billion, or less than 0.1 percent, in February, according to the Bureau of Economic
    Analysis. Personal consumption expenditures (PCE) increased $34.7 billion, or 0.3 percent. In January,
    personal income increased $30.4 billion, or 0.3 percent, DPI decreased $26.0 billion, or 0.2 percent,
    and PCE increased $38.5 billion, or 0.4 percent, based on revised estimates.

    DPI is flat but not negative, in fact DPI has gone up an average of 2.2% for each quarter of 2009.

    Disposable Income is the amount of money that households have available for spending and saving after income taxes have been paid.

    To get a sence of how bad this was look at this chart.

    Tex, you may want to look at the actual BEA numbers. It may require that you understand them, rather than having them interpreted for you by the Moonytimes.

  • 76. Tex Taylor  |  April 13, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Here Wally, my favorite Obama graph…try and remember when you[‘re looking in over, down is bad, up is good. :roll:

    http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/

    What was that about all the damage being done in before Obama again Wally?

    Tex, you may want to look at the actual BEA numbers. It may require that you understand them, rather than having them interpreted for you by the Moonytimes.

    Well Curator, as somebody who already has an MBA from a real school, contrary to whatever that Master’s Degree is you’re obtaining by mail on the dole to sit in the windowless cubicle at the local college, I’m pretty sure I’ll be able to “interpret” anything you can post.

    P.S. – Next time, you might learn to spell “sence” right before you go to mocking anybody about your perceived ‘intellect’. You can try since, cents, or sense for starters.

  • 77. Tex Taylor  |  April 13, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    HEY RUTHERFORD, I need a “fair opinion” from the perpetual black victim.

    Which one of these quotes (as an African-American) do you consider more racist?

    Shooting three-point shots may be clever, but it doesn’t put anybody back to work….What we need is a President, not an athlete. We need somebody who actually focuses on getting people back to work.

    or

    “I’m not sure what he means by this particular soundbite and I think it’s open to some criticism because it suggests that the President is an athlete and some people may suggest, you know, because all black people are good athletes.

    Here’s my favorite Norah O’Donnell poster in a younger, better looking day: :lol:

  • 78. geoff  |  April 13, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    in fact DPI has gone up an average of 2.2% for each quarter of 2009.

    That’s incorrect. The average of the annualized unchained rates is indeed 2.2%, but that’s meaningless. Go here, and look at line 41, which shows that the 2009 DPI was only 0.9% higher than the 2008 DPI.

    It may require that you understand them, rather than having them interpreted for you by the Moonytimes.

    I think you should stick with having them interpreted for you.

  • 79. LOL  |  April 13, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    HAHAHAHAHA…

    The brain surgeons who wrote the health care bill have forced themselves out of their own health care plan!

    For example, it says, the law may “remove members of Congress and Congressional staff” from their current coverage, in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, before any alternatives are available.
    ….
    “It is unclear whether members of Congress and Congressional staff who are currently participating in F.E.H.B.P. may be able to retain this coverage,” the research service said in an 8,100-word memorandum.

    And even if current members of Congress can stay in the popular program for federal employees, that option will probably not be available to newly elected lawmakers, the report says.
    ….
    The law apparently bars members of Congress from the federal employees health program, on the assumption that lawmakers should join many of their constituents in getting coverage through new state-based markets known as insurance exchanges.

    But the research service found that this provision was written in an imprecise, confusing way, so it is not clear when it takes effect.

    The new exchanges do not have to be in operation until 2014. But because of a possible “drafting error,” the report says, Congress did not specify an effective date for the section excluding lawmakers from the existing program.

    Under well-established canons of statutory interpretation, the report said, “a law takes effect on the date of its enactment” unless Congress clearly specifies otherwise. And Congress did not specify any other effective date for this part of the health care law. The law was enacted when President Obama signed it three weeks ago.

    This bill is a fucking joke. I can’t simplify it any more than that.

    Repeal this shit and start over.

  • 80. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    OK Tex, here’s the deal.

    First, I will let no man cast aspersions upon Norah O’Donnell whom even my wife allows me to ogle while watching the Chris Matthews Show. Charming, beautiful smile and a funny laugh. Should you insult her Sir, it will be twenty paces at noon, your choice of weapon.

    Now, when I first heard this frankly dumb comment from the Newt, my first instinct was, “black basketball player”. Then I put myself in check as being over sensitive, especially in light of the fact that I think there was recent video of Obama shooting a 3 pointer within a week of Newt’s comment. So, I finally dismissed the comment as just weak. Believe it or not, Sarah Palin’s comment “don’t need a professor …” was actually more intelligent (GOD I can’t believe I just said that).

    So when Norah made her comment and everyone on “Morning Joe” dismissed it except Jonathan Capehart (yes I know you dislike him because he’s black AND gay), I wondered maybe I wasn’t being too sensitive?

    Bottom line, regardless of how it was interpreted, I don’t think Newt was making a racial comment.

    Now, your choice that you’ve given me is nonsensical. It goes back to this odd philosophy you have that anyone who points out perceived racism is in fact a racist. I’ve never understood your circular logic on this other than that it allows you to ignore racism whenever you see it, and it allows you to condemn all those who do see it.

  • 81. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Ignorance is bliss – for a short time in this case.

    I quite like, Tex, how you conveniently ignored the fact that BiW schooled you on scripture. LOL As BiW quotes it, Moses didn’t part the Red Sea in the first place. God parted it for him.

    Must be a real interesting translation Tex is reading. Mine is fairly clear about who did the parting, and it weren’t the reluctant jewish leader. — BiW

    :lol:

  • 82. Tex Taylor  |  April 13, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    “R”,

    You just provided four paragraphs and still didn’t really answer my question. Congratulations – I still say you should be Zero’s spokesman. You’re a master at Bomba speak.

    If I really thought it was that easy to provoke you into a duel, I would dream up names for Norah that would fro your wife’s hair. :smile: I just wondered if you found Norah’s statement as blatantly stupid as sane people did?

    It goes back to this odd philosophy you have that anyone who points out perceived racism is in fact a racist. I’ve never understood your circular logic on this other than that it allows you to ignore racism whenever you see it, and it allows you to condemn all those who do see it.

    No, not really. I’ve seen white racism and it is equally ugly – and invariably they are really ignorant frickin’ people, making me embarrassed to somehow be associated by demographic. When I hear stereotypical comments like Norah, while not meaning to be racist, she is being racist of a general sort, telling me Norah does not only hang with blacks often, but has lived an incredibly sheltered life. It’s phony as hell and I’ve witnessed the phony behavior by elitist whites often trying to sound pious.

    I just say your idea of perceived racism really reaches, and then in only one direction. You conveniently ignore the most racist of the bunch, the failures of the race pimps, hustlers, and thugs because they don’t meet your preconceived notions and childhood bias. But the part I don’t understand is how an educated man like you fails to recognize the damage it does to your community by the mostly frivolous charges. It immediately discount your real achievements, providing credence to the charges of special favors.

    My latest beef demonstrating the pretentious and shallow nature of race relations, usually used by ignorant media whites from your party or Bill O’Reilly, always referencing “THE N WORD”, as if somehow that shows a measure of respect. It’s a joke.

    How is it the word “nigger” is now the one unmentionable word, but most like you have no problem with ‘Jesus Christ’ being used derogatorily? That’s offensive to a much larger segment of the world’s population, yet almost encouraged by folks like you, as you use it here often.

    That’s why I shake my head at what outrages folks anymore and even if you did think me Archie Bunker, I couldn’t possibly be any worse with offensive language than what you use here almost every day.

    And that is a great example of why I have little faith in man to heal the earth. Not going to happen.

  • 83. Tex Taylor  |  April 13, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Rutherford,

    I quite like, Tex, how you conveniently ignored the fact that BiW schooled you on scripture. LOL As BiW quotes it, Moses didn’t part the Red Sea in the first place. God parted it for him.

    Hmmm…I didn’t even read the response Rutherford. Of course, BiW is absolutely correct in the literal sense. But I don’t feel “schooled” because of who it was I was debating, and it wasn’t BiC.

    I suppose it would delight you if BiC and I could become foe, so I’ll excuse his pedantic nature just to spite you. :smile:

  • 84. Alfie  |  April 13, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    FWIW I think Nora is more guilty of something here. Sorry R I shall cast no vile comments upon her but really.really! that was some dumb ass comment she made and I think it speaks to a subconscious guilt and ghouls mentality that afflicts any number of people, white and black.

  • 85. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  April 13, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    First, I will let no man cast aspersions upon Norah O’Donnell whom even my wife allows me to ogle while watching the Chris Matthews Show. Charming, beautiful smile and a funny laugh. Should you insult her Sir, it will be twenty paces at noon, your choice of weapon.

    Proving that R is no better at identifying attractive women as he is identifying intelligent political philosophy.

    Nora would have to get a face transplant in order to step up to “Pretty Vacant”, and even then her attempts to reach attractive would decline in flaming streaks of FAIL! because it would be impossible to have a meaningful conversation with her about anything other than her hair, wardrobe, or how groovy the pResident is. Still, I can understand how that would be far less threatening for you than a smart, attractive woman, R. Don’t worry. The rest of us can keep them entertained.

    Oh, and there was no opposition to Tex. Just a gentle reminder about who the real author is, because he knows that it matters.

  • 86. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    you have no problem with ‘Jesus Christ’ being used derogatorily

    Could you clarify that a bit? Do you mean when someone in exasperation says “Jesus Christ”? Or do you mean speaking ill of Jesus Christ? Because honestly, I’ve only ever heard whites use Christ’s name in the former context (occasionally using the phrase “Jesus H Christ” … I never did understand the H).

  • 87. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Proving that R is no better at identifying attractive women as he is identifying intelligent political philosophy.

    BiW, with women as with most things, to each his own. ;-) I imagine you get a hard on for Ann Coulter. Personally I find her neck way too long.

  • 88. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    I think it speaks to a subconscious guilt and ghouls mentality that afflicts any number of people, white and black.

    This is exactly why I had one major misgiving about Obama being elected, a misgiving that lingers to this day. This country both white and black are not resolved about race. We may never be. I knew the minute Obama took the oath that everything he did would be skewed through the lens of both tacit (and explicit) racism and racial hypersensitivity,

    Unless a black man is rapping or playing basketball, he will be judged racially by both whites and blacks. Maybe one day our country will really be over it. One can always hope.

  • 89. Tex Taylor  |  April 13, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Could you clarify that a bit? Do you mean when someone in exasperation says “Jesus Christ”? Or do you mean speaking ill of Jesus Christ.

    You do both right here on this blog. Are you suddenly white? :lol:

    Using Jesus Christ in exasperation is on par to saying “God Damn” in exasperation, except to this Christian, I find it even more offensive because of its specificity and the sacrifices made for me by God manifested in flesh. I would rather you insult my own mom, my wife, my children than Jesus.

    And since you called our belief a fairy tale, and the central tenet of that belief Jesus, you also called Jesus a fairy tale. So it logically follows you either are calling Jesus a liar or lunatic. And since Jesus also preached from the Old Testament and would have told us of its errors if it were not true, you know the truth better than Jesus – the real author of the Word. I would call that speaking ill of Jesus, wouldn’t you Rutherford?

    Or are you so shallow you don’t understand your own intentions?

  • 90. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Tex, I don’t think the survivors of 9/11 would agree with you that al-Qaeda are wimps.

    I’m glad you brought up Rachel Maddow. You see that is exactly the contrast I was suggesting earlier in this thread. While Rachel Maddow hosts a cautionary special Thursday night reminding us about the OK bombing, your buddy Sean Hannity refers to his audience as “Timothy McVeigh wanna-be’s” and the crowd roars in approval.

    You can ignore the sick sh*t coming from your favorite “journalists” at your own peril.

    But then, as I said over at Curator’s place, we won the first Civil War and we will win the next one. :-)

  • 91. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    So Tex, you joining the militia?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100412/ap_on_re_us/us_tea_party_militia

  • 92. geoff  |  April 13, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Unless a black man is rapping or playing basketball, he will be judged racially by both whites and blacks.

    The racial identity cottage industry has done much harm in this regard. Race relations are deteriorating, not mending, and a good portion of the blame has to go to those people who continue to break new ground in racial offenses.

    We don’t need a new suite of ever more finely cut race-based complaints. What we need is for people to adhere to the basics of racial equality, and then to let time heal the rifts. But I can tell you that the resentments over Affirmative Action, EO, the constant chatter about reparations, etc. are sores that will never allow that healing to happen.

    The second point is that race pundits constantly conflate race and culture (which is, ironically, inherently racist). I can hate gangsta and hiphop culture, and still not be racist. Since the 60’s, minority communities have moved away from the mainstream to find or preserve their cultural identity. They shouldn’t be surprised when the people they left behind aren’t very impressed.

  • 93. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  April 13, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    BiW, with women as with most things, to each his own. I imagine you get a hard on for Ann Coulter. Personally I find her neck way too long.

    I love her because she makes the left chase their tails even harder, with all the sanctimonius hand-wringing and wailling I’ve come to expect, but she doesn’t really turn my crank.

    Believe it or not, I have a preference for brunettes, but I like them able to carry on a meaningful conversation. That, and her “Jo-Jo the dog-faced boy” look counts Nora out, sadly. At least Megan Fox has something going for her until she opens her mouth.

  • 94. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  April 13, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    But then, as I said over at Curator’s place, we won the first Civil War and we will win the next one.

    Who’s “we”, Tonto?

    Still, its amusing that you think so. It will make that inevitable collision with reality even more brutal on you.

  • 95. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    You do both right here on this blog.

    I really need the money. We’ve already corresponded by email so we know how to reach each other.

    I give you 24 hours to point out any post or comment in the blog where I’ve said “Jesus Christ” in lieu of “for goodness sake!”. If you can’t post the example by 5pm tomorrow EDT, you owe me $100.00 :-) :lol: (If you can, I will attend church this coming Sunday.)

    While I am on the subject, I do take care when I argue with Christians to differentiate between the possibility that Christ was a wise preacher and the allegorical stories of the Bible. So you won’t find me insulting Christ. You will find me calling you a lunatic when you cite examples from the Bible that defy science and then tell me they really happened.

    My guess is that Christ knew he was telling allegory and he figured he had smarter followers than you listening to the stories. ;-)

  • 96. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Then again, in defense of the authors of the Bible, these folks lived in a time when we thought the Earth was flat and the Sun revolved around the Earth. Scientific ignorance was the rule of the day, so stories about seas parting should be expected.

  • 97. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    I can hate gangsta and hiphop culture

    Spike Lee, one of the so called race baiters according to this thread, also hates gangsta culture.

    Most self respecting blacks and whites do.

  • 98. geoff  |  April 13, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Spike Lee, one of the so called race baiters according to this thread, also hates gangsta culture.

    I’ll take your word for it, but will he allow me to hate it?

  • 99. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Megan Fox

    WTF? BiW at least pick a woman not young enough to be your granddaughter. Maybe I was looking at the wrong Megan Fox but the one I found is in her early 20’s.

    Seriously, I am amazed by how down on Norah you are. That smile is absolutely perfection. And contrary to what you say, she is a very smart analyst.

    Getting back to Megan again …. why I am I surprised when your favorite haunt features “Big Boob Friday” ;-)

  • 100. Tex Taylor  |  April 13, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Rutherford,

    Actually the leaders of Al-Qaeda are wimps. Now the sex starved, down-and-out radicals they grab for the sacrifice aren’t, but the Imams, and the Mullahs, and the UBL types are. The worst kind of cowards – letting somebody else do their dirty work. Kind of like Obama lets you do his dirty work? I suppose that makes you a brave radical? :razz:

    As I have said now on more than one occasion, if there is anybody on this blog with characteristics similar to McVeigh, it’s Wally Curator. Ex-military rejected by the military, without obvious purpose, profoundly godless, angry, and bitter. Perhaps the only difference is the brains and balls that McVeigh had – no doubt McVeigh was a hardened goon as I witnessed one day in Perry, OK, out of curiosity as he walked out of a jail cell. No doubt, the guy who walked out was chilling. I thought I would see a broken man frogmarched out – this mean SOB stared everyone right in the eye.

    See, I imagine Wally as the bespectacled, balloon-butted, gut busting SQL script writer with diet soda in hand – crawling around on the floor wearing thirty year old tie with his shirt buttoned incorrectly, toilet paper hanging out the crack of his ass over his pants, searching for a USB port, and dreaming himself a rock hard hero. :shock:

    The reason I was so humored by Butch Madcow’s propaganda was that Butch represents exactly the kind of maggot that McVeigh would have loved to have imploded in the lobby of a building. Butch stinks of elitism, hypocrisy, cowardice, government meddling, fascism, and user. Butch is exactly the type that pushed McVeigh over the edge. Kind of a miniature and equally ugly Janet Reno lesbian lover, loon and propagandist.

    Or did you not recognize that fact, Rutherford?

    ====================

    No need to join a militia as I have my own battles to fight. I’m sitting at Fort Tex as we speak, wondering if I can mount a 50 caliber on the chimney, defending the neighborhood from liberals.

  • 101. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Who’s “we”, Tonto?

    LOL, I did enjoy that. Sadly, it looks like it will be “the North” once again. The most vocal folks about nullification, secession, militia’s and other such Civil War era talk are down South. Yes I know Michigan is a glaring exception.

    Speaking of which, if anyone finds Rabbit lurking on another blog, tell him I said hello. (Actually, I’d contact him but I suspect the email address he posted in his comments was bogus.)

  • 102. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Tex … the best you can do is cite John “I’ve got milk” Bolton? ROTFLMAO :lol:

  • 103. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    Geoff, I can’t speak for Spike on that one but I will surely allow you to hate it. As long as you hate it because it is destructive and worthless, and not because it is predominantly black, then I’m completely with you.

  • 104. geoff  |  April 13, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    Geoff, I can’t speak for Spike on that one but I will surely allow you to hate it.

    That won’t do me much good when the race mafia comes for me.

  • 105. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  April 13, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    WTF? BiW at least pick a woman not young enough to be your granddaughter. Maybe I was looking at the wrong Megan Fox but the one I found is in her early 20’s

    Example of Pretty Vacant. What Nora can only aspire to.

    Seriously, I am amazed by how down on Norah you are. That smile is absolutely perfection. And contrary to what you say, she is a very smart analyst.

    Getting back to Megan again …. why I am I surprised when your favorite haunt features “Big Boob Friday”

    I suppose you don’t enjoy fine works of art that are more than a century old, simply because they aren’t “progressive enough”. I think she makes a bag of hammers look smart, but I cannot fault Ms. Fox for making the most of her assets.

    If by “smart analyst” you mean “limited career options due to unfortunate mental impairment”, then yes, she’s one the most brilliant people employed my messnbc, which is akin to being “King of the Retards”.

  • 106. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Well Tex, you do entertain and I actually think the absence of Rabbit has inspired you. You seem to be picking up some of his slack in terms of turns of phrase.

    You moved the goal posts on the al Qaeda remark. Yes the leaders are cowards. Why do you think I want the bullet that hits that Yemem cleric to have a USA flag engraved on it?

    As for Maddow and McVeigh, your point is nonsensical. Maddow does not claim McVeigh as her hero. Nor does she say he would have liked her. You are right, he would have been more than happy to blow her away.

    Good luck defending Fort Tex. Mmmmm is that you I see in the watch tower at the 50 second mark of the following video? ;-)

  • 107. Tex Taylor  |  April 13, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    I give you 24 hours to point out any post or comment in the blog where I’ve said “Jesus Christ” in lieu of “for goodness sake!”. If you can’t post the example by 5pm tomorrow EDT, you owe me $100.00 :-) :lol: (If you can, I will attend church this coming Sunday.)

    I’ll do one better but you’ll have to up the odds. I want $100.00 in return, and you’ll have to attend a church of my choice this weekend with documented proof you attended, mailed to my account which you have. How’s that? Oh, and I need access to peruse your twitter account without you deleting entries. Frankly, I trust you as far as I can throw you. How do I do that?

    While I am on the subject, I do take care when I argue with Christians to differentiate between the possibility that Christ was a wise preacher and the allegorical stories of the Bible.

    So you won’t find me insulting Christ.

    Did your nose grow when you typed this? You just called Christianity a fairy tale less than 48 hours ago dolt. And you really want to bet me with a memory like that?

    You will find me calling you a lunatic when you cite examples from the Bible that defy science and then tell me they really happened.

    Prove to me anything defies science from the Bible – you can start with Genesis 1:1 and fill me on the details. Like I said, you can deny it – but you can’t deny this is exactly what Jesus taught. So you really need to make up your mind whether Christ was deranged lunatic, or not.

    You’re really stuck in stupid mode today. Even in Christ’s time, they didn’t believe the world flat.

  • 108. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    While we’re on the subject of TV, this brings back memories. RIP John Forsyte and Farrah Fawcett-Majors among many others.

  • 109. Tex Taylor  |  April 13, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    No Rutherford,

    This is me guarding the neighborhood from godless libs.

    I didn’t say McVeigh was Butch’s hero you loon. I said she was channeling McVeigh to be some Tea Party type – rank propagandist. I think she’s paranoid – or scared shitless.

  • 110. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Tex, OK … the flat Earth comment shows my elementary school stupidity. I never un-learned the myth that Columbus was warned not to travel the Atlantic because he might fall off the edge of the Earth. After a bit of googling, I have to hand it to you … folks in Christ’s time at the very least thought the Earth was a dome but not flat.

    As for the sun being at the center of things, that was not settled until the 16th century even though theorized before then. So I stick to that assertion.

    You can already “access” my Twitter account by “following” me on Twitter. So that’s a no brainer.

    The “fairy tale” comment was limited to what I consider the supernatural beliefs of the religion. More than anything it was just a fun play on the word “fairy”.

    Finally, ok Tex explain the parting of the Red Sea scientifically. How about Eve materializing from Adam’s rib? Best of all … please give me the scientific explanation of the virgin birth.

    Again, anyone who chooses to believe in the symbolism of these things makes sense to me. Anyone who believes them literally seems to me a bit off their rocker.

  • 111. Tex Taylor  |  April 13, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    You can already “access” my Twitter account by “following” me on Twitter. So that’s a no brainer.

    Does that include history?

    ===============================

    Tex explain the parting of the Red Sea scientifically. How about Eve materializing from Adam’s rib? Best of all … please give me the scientific explanation of the virgin birth.

    Then I assume you believe the physical universe is all there is and ever will be? If so, and since it is agreed it is finite, what physical construct created it?

    Off the subject, but how many times do I need to explain the scientific method can not be used to determine the validity of the Bible? Once again, the scientific method is only used when the result sought is: (1) measurable, (2) observable, (3) repeatable. You use evidentiary evidence for corroboration Rutherford. This isn’t science – it’s a judicial court.

    You forgot to add to your list the resurrection. And I’ll give you the same answer I give for creation. God did it just as He said He would and He did it supernaturally just as He created the universe. Seems to me all of these trivial matters, assuming He created the universe. Does it not? :smile:

    But, I would like to ask you a few questions in return. And I could do this all night since you seem intent on calling Christ a fairy tale.

    How did Egypt fall from the dominant world power and when? Where did the Jews come from? What happened to Jericho? Why does mitochondrial DNA show a common human mother no more than 50K years ago and that time frame keeps compressing the more we learn? Why did Christ call the Heavenly Father Abba and why did Christ state, “When you have seen me, you have seen the Father?” If Joseph was the biological father, why didn’t Mary or Joseph say as much?

    Again, anyone who chooses to believe in the symbolism of these things makes sense to me. Anyone who believes them literally seems to me a bit off their rocker.

    Then you also need to state that Christ was off His rocker. Because this is exactly what Jesus taught and there was nothing symbolic in his claims of rising from the dead. So why don’t you announce to the board Jesus was a deranged lunatic, so were the 500 witnesses liars, the entire movement a sham, and be done with it?
    :?:

  • 112. Tex Taylor  |  April 13, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Dear Rutherford,

    Read this article. I don’t expect you to fully appreciate it, but if you have any intellectual curiosity, you should read it carefully.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2010/04/13/jews-confront-the-abyss/

    If you understood what I did about prophecy, what it says will be, and you read Ezekiel 38 and 39 and recognized just how this was setting up, I believe you would be bright enough to immediately stop your flippancy, challenge your doubts instead of parroting your lefty friends, and become a very changed man in the process before it is too late. Because you don’t want to be here when this breaks loose, because the world will never have seen a time like this.

    For what seems foolishness to you now, what seems beyond belief or impossible, will soon become very real. I can’t tell you exactly when, but I believe the process in place and imminent.

    Normally, I don’t expect you to take me very seriously. But this time, you should.

  • 113. LOL  |  April 13, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Rutherford, you say “Big Boob Friday” like it’s a bad thing.

  • 114. Rutherford  |  April 13, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    “LOL” My bad indeed. I must confess that I “tune” into BBF every Friday over at “The Hostages”.

    As for Tex, your latest posts deserve fuller attention than I can pay right now. I will resume my “studies” in the morning. But a quickie, I don’t know how far back Twitter saves history but I believe it goes back pretty far. So yes, if you “follow” me on Twitter you can see Tweets going back further than you’d want to read. But of course you know on Twitter I display my evil side. :evil:

  • 115. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  April 14, 2010 at 1:21 am

    “LOL” My bad indeed. I must confess that I “tune” into BBF every Friday over at “The Hostages”.

    Everyone with a computer and knowledge of BBF tunes in every Friday. It is ubiquitous as the sun rising in the east.

    So yes, if you “follow” me on Twitter you can see Tweets going back further than you’d want to read. But of course you know on Twitter I display my evil side.

    Saying outrageous/ingnorant things as a means to establish/cement your lefty “street cred” is hardly evil. Evil would be actually believing some of them.

  • 116. Rutherford  |  April 14, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    So BiW, do you have a more optimistic view of my chances of getting past the pearly gates than your brother Tex does? ;-)

  • 117. Alfie  |  April 14, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Rutherford, Jesus doesn’t Tweet
    As for your eternal salvation I’ll sincerely offer one of my favorites and offer you it with zero evangelism intended.
    Luke 23:39-43 any version

  • 118. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  April 14, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    So BiW, do you have a more optimistic view of my chances of getting past the pearly gates than your brother Tex does?

    Hmmm. Seems kind of tough to reconcile this:

    Aren’t Christian homophobes ironic? After all, they devoutly believe in a fairy tale.

    With this from Romans chapter 1:

    18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
    24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
    26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

  • 119. Tex Taylor  |  April 14, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Ironic BiC that you would use that famous scripture. I was thinking something along the same lines in describing where Rutherford finds himself. In some regard,Rutherford is sheer evil. I’ve just recently discovered that.

    2nd Peter 2

    These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.

    If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit, and a sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.

  • 120. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  April 15, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Tex,
    I thought it summed it up well. No recognition of God in the things that surround us, and a mistaken belief in man as the center of his own existence.

    It meets his hero, Mr. “We are the ones we have been waiting for” as well.

    I’ve been reading “How Should We Then Live?”, and the author makes some very sublime yet pertinent observations about the weaknesses of the humanist view. Great stuff. Might even get through R’s Armor of Unreason.

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