Is Barack Obama an American?

December 10, 2009 at 2:02 am 126 comments

No, I have not lost my mind. I have not become a “birther”. President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961 (incidentally the same year I was born in New York City), is a citizen of these United States and is a legitimate President. What I want to address here goes beyond the facts of his birth. I want to get an angle on the constant “he’s not one of us” theme that we hear. I want to get beyond the obvious suspicions of racism and go a bit deeper, or since the argument is fairly obvious, perhaps not that deep. You be the judge.

On Sean Hannity’s Fox News broadcast former Vice President Dick Cheney made the usual ass of himself but one of the things he said can be examined more closely.

Cheney says, “this is a guy who … does not share that view of American exceptionalism that most of us believe in.” Let’s put aside the disrespect inherent in “this is a guy” (he’s your damn President DICK), and look at the statement. Obama does not believe that America is exceptional. One could look, as MSNBC’s Chris Matthews did, at Obama’s keynote speech at the Democratic convention in 2004 where he says that his story could only happen in America, and see that Obama thinks our country is special. But does he see this in an academic, almost clinical way? Does he feel it viscerally?

Let’s rewind a few months to see Wall Street Journal’s Dorothy Rabinowitz’s assessment:

The president has a problem. For, despite a great election victory, Mr. Obama, it becomes ever clearer, knows little about Americans. He knows the crowds—he is at home with those. He is a stranger to the country’s heart and character.

He seems unable to grasp what runs counter to its nature. That Americans don’t take well, for instance, to bullying, especially of the moralizing kind, implicit in those speeches on health care for everybody. Neither do they wish to be taken where they don’t know they want to go and being told it’s good for them.

via Dorothy Rabinowitz: Obama’s Tone-Deaf Health Campaign – WSJ.com.

Dorothy says Obama is a “stranger to the country’s heart and character.” A similar perception to that of the former Vice President. Is Obama simply a victim of this assessment or has he contributed to it in some way?

I think there is an intuitive answer that demonstrates Obama’s contribution to this perception. From the time he was born until he graduated from high school, Barack Obama lived outside the mainland United States. I would argue that Hawaii, just barely a state in 1961, was hardly representative of the “American experience” and of course, Obama spent several years in Jakarta, Indonesia. Twenty years after his graduation from an exclusive Hawaiian high school, he wrote in their bulletin, “The opportunity that Hawaii offered — to experience a variety of cultures in a climate of mutual respect — became an integral part of my world view, and a basis for the values that I hold most dear.” [1] I think we could safely argue that although mostly raised by his Kansas bred grandparents, Barack Obama got anything but a typical mid-west white bread view of America.

I believe that having not lived in the mainland United States until college, that Obama had an objective view of our country atypical of most of our other Presidents. In Obama’s world view, America might be special, but not necessarily “better” than other civilized countries. America might be a land of virtue and ideals but not the be-all end-all barometer of morality. On the contrary, America could be capable of doing the wrong thing. America could be imperfect. America could need improvement.

I believe that Obama’s objective view of our country, much from the perspective of an outsider (even more outside than the average black man), makes his love for our country appear less visceral. America likes its Presidents to reek of Americana, whether it’s Abe Lincoln splitting logs or Eisenhower or Kennedy bravely defending their country in war. Obama comes to us with a different story. A story of an outsider who wants to fix the problems that the insiders may be too blind to see. Such outsiders do not usually engender affection from the insiders.

Is Barack Obama an American? Well, yes he is but he is a different kind of American. He is an American who believes you can be special and still be equal to your peers, showing them respect and apologizing when you’ve done them wrong. America is a proud country, proud to a fault. Humility, on an international scale runs, as Ms. Rabinowitz puts it “counter to its nature.” Hence she and Dick Cheney will probably never understand what a good American Barack Obama really is.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  • 1. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 10, 2009 at 4:00 am

    Geez, R.

    Stop already. You pushed Chris Mathews out of his common “position of respect” on his knees before Obama’s open fly.

    *vomits*

    I may or may not be back to comment specifically on some of the inanities in this embarrassing piece of hero worship. We were sure you couldn’t quit him, but I didn’t need to see the “behind closed doors” stuff either. It’s overkill, especially when applied to one so incompetent.

  • 2. Rutherford  |  December 10, 2009 at 10:57 am

    You realize this is the kind of drop-a-turd-and-run stuff you constantly accuse Sensico of. I don’t think you can refute my premise.

  • 3. Tex Taylor  |  December 10, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    You realize don’t you “R” that like Obama seeing a different America, most of your “adoring” fans here at your blog will see this as an attempt at a personal flimsy, superficial excuse to cover Obama’s failure, lack of qualification, and weak character?

    What you feel might be a heart felt explanation to us “that are different” explaining why we might find Obama difficult to appreciate, this post comes across to me as a tacit case of a Ivy arrogance and clearly demonstrates the patronizing manner that most Conservatives despise about liberalism.

    I am sure it some way, this is your idea of a fig leaf of sorts – an attempt to at least persuade several of us that Obama does not hate America but sees a different America. While I am sure Obama does see a different America, he has been an awfully big benefactor of a country that has so many huge character problems to solve. Problems that only an intellectual like you and Obama can “feel”, calculate and understand for us white-bred, Kansas type?

    I find Obama’s attitude about America as ungrateful, unconcerned, self-serving and foolishly wrong-headed. I am completely convinced there is only one thing really important to Obama and that would be self.

    To your chagrin, much of America now looks at Obama as a throwback to some hodgepodge of brew – Noam Chomsky, Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Huey Newton and Bobby Seale come to mind. Throw in Obama’s attempt at Marxism lite for economic policy, his band of self-appointed thugs like Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod for guidance, his numerous communist sympathizing Czars, and Obama is not only incredibly arrogant and ungrateful, but also dangerous.

    Why should we trust a man that finds more fault with America than more that is right? A man too ignorant to recognize his own shortcomings, thinking he strengthens America by apologizing for America? A man who thinks dialogue with tyrants is a better way? A man more impressed with the role Western Europe than a Republic in guiding the world?

    I don’t know what makes me retch more. Obama’s attitude, or those that make the attempt to excuse Obama’s narcissism and domineering nature.

  • 4. Tex Taylor  |  December 10, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    Here Rutherford, you need to read this if curious. Not a great article but perhaps as good explanation as any as to the why “Why Are We Tiring of Obama?”

    http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/why-are-we-tiring-of-obama/

    As you can see, it not just one Obama mistake. It is a multitude of many – some big, some small – that have given us a measure of a man not capable of management, self-indulged, a blowhard of big words and no deeds, a narcissist, and one perhaps not terribly bright; certainly not as bright as you wanted us to believe.

    Obama is like the proverbial china piece. Once broken, not worth much and of little use besides to provide a memory of what once was. For a save face, you can first begin to admit that Obama was a product of marketing by a corrupt media.

  • 5. Dead Rabbit  |  December 10, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    Damn. Rutherford loves swooning.

    Abstract of today’s blog: Obama is awesome. His awesomeness stems from the fact he isn’t blinded from Midwestern ignorance. An Alexis de Tocqueville, but more like a prophet, sent to us from another world, from a higher plain, to save us.

    It’s kind of hard to refute a hard on.

    What do want me to say?

    I was hoping this after glow bull shit would be done by now.

    Rutherford loves these blogs about little fluffy clouds. So, I will leave you all with this and go somewhere else to read about real shit.

  • 6. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 10, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    You realize this is the kind of drop-a-turd-and-run stuff you constantly accuse Sensico of. I don’t think you can refute my premise.

    Actually, I don’t constantly accuse Sensico of anything. I once mistook her for someone interested in defending some of the silly things she is wont to say, but I was mistaken, and aside of singling out some of her comments here as the excellent examples of “Dumb things libs say”, I generally pay her all the attention she merits, which is to say, almost none. Now other commenters here frequently call her out, but again, I am not any of them.

    As for refuting your “premise”, you should be careful what you wish for.

    So I don’t burn up your bandwidth, I’ll post it at my place. Iit should be done late today or sometime tomorrow.

  • 7. Rutherford  |  December 11, 2009 at 12:11 am

    Love the fluffy clouds Rabbit. Between the spacey music and references to Alexis de Tocqueville, you’re proving yourself quite the renaissance man. ;-)

  • 8. Tex Taylor  |  December 11, 2009 at 12:17 am

    Rutherford,

    Back to the racial issue for a minute, what is your excuse take on A.G. Holder’s group deciding not to try the New Black Panthers up in Philadelphia, when the thugs three black men were clearly trying to intimidate?

    Do you think that fair, and if so, will you have a problem with skinheads wielding bats standing at the doors of the polling place next November? :smile:

  • 9. Rutherford  |  December 11, 2009 at 12:22 am

    Well Tex, I have to give you credit for being the only so far to make a substantive criticism of the article. I read your PJMedia piece. A bit much … a gripe list for folks looking for something to gripe about.

    However the analysis of the Nobel speech was more interesting. While it was snarky, it was more on the money than some of the glowing praise the speech got on MSNBC today. I particularly liked his “4) straw men trope: some say this; others say that; but I uniquely say .. “. Obama has this increasingly gnawing habit of presenting both sides of every argument when he’s lecturing, usually concluding that both sides are somehow right and then presenting his hybrid solution. I can fully understand why folks outside the intellectual centers of the Northeast and West coast may have gotten tired of listening to the Professor-in-Chief by now. Then again, the Nobel speech was not aimed at them in the first place.

  • 10. Rutherford  |  December 11, 2009 at 12:25 am

    what is your excuse take on…

    No comment as of yet until I read the details. Is this some crap from last November? I thought that business was dead and gone by now. I’ll say more when I know more.

  • [...] matter the evidence before him, Rutherford simply cannot quit Barack.  His latest example is this post, in which he gives the Neophyte-In-Chief such a tongue bath that all I could do initially was [...]

  • 13. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 11, 2009 at 6:29 am

    Wow, I thought I had missed a lot, but apparently not.

    Obama is a narcissist, so no, he doesn’t believe America is exceptional, he believes he is exceptional. Exceptionally bad, but exceptional none the least.

    You think the tallys made on the number of times Obama says “I” may be silly, but it is highly informative. Take the fraud that occurred yesterday, in Obama’s claim of ‘not being worthy’ he still managed to say “I” some 30+ times.

    His great Afghan speach, “I” 40+ times, “Victory” 0 times. It took some week later before the “W” word, as in “win”, was mentioned by not Obama, but by Gates.

    How many other narcissistic indicators shouls we look at? How about accepting the Dem nom in a stadium in front of Greek colums? Really?

    And what has it earned you on the left?

    “Perhaps the greatest measure of Obama’s declining support is that just 50% of voters now say they prefer having him as President to George W. Bush, with 44% saying they’d rather have his predecessor. Given the horrendous approval ratings Bush showed during his final term that’s somewhat of a surprise and an indication that voters are increasingly placing the blame on Obama for the country’s difficulties instead of giving him space because of the tough situation he inherited. The closeness in the Obama/Bush numbers also has implications for the 2010 elections. Using the Bush card may not be particularly effective for Democrats anymore, which is good news generally for Republicans and especially ones like Rob Portman who are running for office and have close ties to the former President.” — http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1209/Bush_closes_the_gap.html

    Rut roh Scooby, the blame Bush mantra isn’t doing so well anymore.

    What I find hillarious is how you on the left, who have invested so much in tearing Palin down, well, Obama’s approval is 47%, Palins is 43%, hmmmmmmmm.

    Generic ballots show at least a 4% lead for the GOP. In 1994, the GOP didn’t take a lead until March of the election year, and then only by 1%- and it continued to flux up to the elections. Polls have been showing a GOP lead for a couple months now.

    Here’s the long and short- Obama has been the best thing that could have happened to the GOP. Not the country, but certainly the GOP. It took 6 years of Bush before the polls to slide and the voters to start tossing out Republicans for their transgressions. It has taken Obama mere months.

    You’ve been blowing us off on the warnings we’ve given about Obama’s actions and his total disregard to the the will of the people. Fine with me, I look forward to the shock you will have following the ass kicking you’ll recieve in the 2010 elections. My concern is how do we reverse the incalcuable damage Dems are doing to the financial welfare of the nation and future American generations.

  • 14. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 11, 2009 at 6:36 am

    CDC: About 1 in 6 Americans have had swine flu

    Katrina? Nothing compared to this…

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9CGKOEO0&show_article=1

  • 15. Tex Taylor  |  December 11, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Gorilla,

    I saw that Obama/Bush poll yesterday and had to laugh. Nothing I could possibly ever say would do as much good, correct as much injustice, write the historical record more accurate, and refute the eight years of bullshit about Bush bashing from the left as much as Bush simply becoming more popular than Obama.

    I said last year at another blog, and Rutherford could attest to this, that the best thing that could happen to the Republican party is for Obama to not just win, but the Democratic party take a super majority rule in every facet of government. Because then they would be forced to perform instead of criticize. You will note I did not say it would be best for America.

    The Democratic party has completely exceeded even my lowest expectations – complete futility. Krauthammer has another brilliant article today saying it better than I could ever say it about what is up with the liberals…well worth the read as this one will be all over the net.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/10/AR2009121003163.html

    And since I have a real hard on about the EPA with something that happened to my father-in-law years ago dictated straight from that jack boot Carol Browner, she should be our new target. I want to see her ass swing.

  • 16. Tex Taylor  |  December 11, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    BIC,

    Nice response to the Rutherford toe sucker. And like you, I find Rutherford refreshing in that he will at least stop for a moment to give consideration as to maybe he might be wrong. Really the only reason I stay anymore as traffic has almost now died.

    I have never seen Rutherford completely commit to being wrong by changing his way, but there is always that small mustard seed of hope. But as far as him ever turning against Obama, it will never happen. Rutherford has way too much of his own blood invested to turn back now – Rutherford is one of the few libs brave enough to go down with the sinking ship.

  • 17. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 11, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    I said last year at another blog, and Rutherford could attest to this, that the best thing that could happen to the Republican party is for Obama to not just win, but the Democratic party take a super majority rule in every facet of government. Because then they would be forced to perform instead of criticize. You will note I did not say it would be best for America.

    Or as another good friend of mine put it, “Without Jimmy Carter, we couldn’t have had Ronaldus Maximus.”

  • 18. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 11, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    I posted a rebuttal to your response, R.

  • 19. Dead Rabbit  |  December 11, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    According to Sean Hannity, I’m a fake conservative becuase I’m not playing violin music for the cap on exec bonuses.

    Don’t we see, says Hannity, that these guys go out to dinner quite a bit?

    He also lamented the fact that these poor souls bought million dollar houses that they now will have to foreclose on.

    Awww.

    There is no way I think that tax dollars should be taken from my son to pay for bonuses. I don’t give a damn about the so called competitive market that supposedly exists for the service of these elite Manhattan Jews (and non-Jews).

    I relish for the growth of these businesses to be stifled. Play with fire and you get burned. Enjoy the teet of Nanny, bitches.

    My community is already in economic ruin, as we probably deserve. Why would I give a shit about the banksters?

    They are still getting a half a fricking million dollars for going to power lunches and drinking high balls.

  • 20. Tex Taylor  |  December 11, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    Speaking of the greatness of Obama’s accomplishments, I have to assume that Rutherford will feel more safe knowing that his own daughter will be attending safe schools under the auspices of Kevin Jennings, Barack Obama’s “safe schools” czar?

    Actually Rutherford, even as mindless of some of the ‘stuff’ you support is, I feel somewhat confident that you will count this man as an incredibly poor choice to represent anything having to do with school and children? Tell me I haven’t lost total faith in you to see the light?

    Now make sure that you listen closely to the video and read the “excellent” pamphlet. Can you tell me how anyone in their right mind that this man should be appointed to anything beyond perhaps porn czar? Rutherford, do you want your 14 year old daughter listening to how to fist your partner “R” – which by the way, as I am sure you aware, applies to women as well and can be deadly?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/11/do-safe-schools-require-an-iron-fisting/

  • 21. Dead Rabbit  |  December 11, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    Holy shit. That is sick. WTF???

    I can’t believe that guy. Fisting? Rim jobs?

    That guy is a straight up pervert. I would kick the shit out of some middle aged man talking about fisting and rim jobs to my 14 year old daughter.

    Obama hired that guy????????????????

  • 22. Rutherford  |  December 11, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    Well Rabbit, regarding Sean Hannity, if you buy the rump roast you gotta buy the whole cow. You don’t get it my friend. Republicans don’t give a sh*t if you get laid off. They WANT the fat cats to stay fat. They care about the Goldman Sachs employee’s third house on the Hamptons. They don’t give two f*cks about your one house somewhere in Michigan.

    You may not wanna be a Dem but I’m telling you, you better look past the GOP to have your interests served.

  • 23. Tex Taylor  |  December 11, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    They WANT the fat cats to stay fat. They care about the Goldman Sachs employee’s third house on the Hamptons. They don’t give two f*cks about your one house somewhere in Michigan.

    Not to rain on Rutherford’s dump, as I agree with the Rabbit that you get paid by the government, you play by the government, and this is one issue I have no problem Obama intervening. But Goldman Sachs has a real Democratic flavor – as does the entire banking industry. Surely, you remember these simple facts “R”.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=d000000085

  • 24. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 11, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Shhh. R is “looking past” the Dem’s connections to Wall Street, and the profit taking engaged in by many of their more prominent figures. Don’t spoil a good narrative with inconvenient facts.

    And before I have an unsavory accusation pointed in my direction, my response to “too big to fail” was “BS! LET them fail.” The minute government stepped down from being a regulator to role of participant, using our money to decide who wins (the Dhim’s freinds at Goldman Sachs) and who loses, (Bear Sterns), then the government’s legitimacy is in question.

  • 25. Rutherford  |  December 11, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    Well I read some of the comments on the Hotair article and I love the guy (I think his handle is Guardian) who quits every job that offends his sexual sensibilities. He’s pissed that Kodak didn’t tell him they funded GLSEN. Yeah, like you’re gonna sit in a job interview and the interviewer is going to tell you all the different things the company gives its money to. Some say he’s a hero. I say he’s a dork. I bet he didn’t think twice about attending a university that didn’t divest from South Africa. (BTW, the only reason I’m not blowing off this steam on HotAir is I don’t have nor want a login there.)

    Sadly I’m seeing this story trumpeted by Sean Hannity and Michele Malkin both of whom I have zero respect for.

    Interestingly, nowadays your kid will probably ask you what fisting is so maybe it should be covered in sex ed? I don’t know the answer at this point. Things have changed since I was 14. Kids have access to all kinds of info now and need to be set straight on what they are exposed to. I’ll tell you this though. When I was 12 or so, I got DETAILED instruction in health class on drugs. All the different kinds of drugs, all their slang names, all their effects. I’m not sure this new level of detailed sexual education is any different.

    Before you guys jump down my throat, I’m just thinking aloud here.

    P.S. In the recording on the HotAir site, I thought it was a girl who asked about fisting and I was surprised to hear the rear entrance mentioned. I always thought it involved the vajayjay. Damn I guess I could use a course from GLSEN! :-)

  • 26. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 11, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    R, adults talking to children the way the GLSEN people have been caught doing used to be considered creepy, if not criminal. And as a parent, I don’t think it is appropriate for an adult male on the public payroll to discuss the ettiquette of “Spit or Swallow” with children. And when that is done by a member of the group started by the “Assistant Safe Schools Czar”, I realize that the government’s notion of “Safe schools” and mine are two very different ideas. I think of Safe schools being a place were children are safe from preditory perverts, not a place were said perverts are safe to be predatory perverts.

  • 27. Tex Taylor  |  December 11, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    Uh Rutherford,

    I know this is incredibly difficult for a Ivy lib to comprehend, but there is a huge difference between being asked about what something “is”, and giving out kits on the “how”.

    This guy is as sexed as the NAMBLA perverts and yet you make no mention of a problem with him being the “safe school” czar?

    Is that some kind of sick joke, or are you so embarrassed by Obama’s hires that you’ve now reverted to complete denial? You may be a 99% loon politically, but you are no weirdo – there’s not a chance in hell you would let your sweet little daughter within a football field of this creep and you know it.

    Man up this is beyond a bad choice! This dirty old fart is one of a million creeps walking the streets and now a direct Obama report. :evil:

  • 28. Dead Rabbit  |  December 11, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    “I think of Safe schools being a place were children are safe from preditory perverts, not a place were said perverts are safe to be predatory perverts.”BiW

    LOL….Classic.

    What a crazy world we live in. Perverted bureaucrat actually creates a program that teaches little girls how to properly get fisted and those who are outraged are put on the defensive.

    By the way, I here by present that pamphlet as exhibit A for why we teachers need unions.

    Rutherford is presented concrete evidence that one of Obama’s stooges teaches little girls about fisting, and “R,” a father of a little girl himself, STILL rallies around Obama’s decision making.

    Go back up and skim the original blog entry by “R”. Scroll down and watch him defend the merits of curriculum revolving around spitting or swallowing cum.

    It’s cult like around here sometimes.

  • 29. Dead Rabbit  |  December 11, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    “They WANT the fat cats to stay fat. They care about the Goldman Sachs employee’s third house on the Hamptons. They don’t give two f*cks about your one house somewhere in Michigan.”

    LOL. Nice try Rutherford. Yeah, I forgot, the Democrats are fighting for the little guy. Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank are staying up at night worrying about the Rabbit.

  • 30. An800lbGorilla  |  December 11, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    Goldman Sachs is a Dem supporter R, DOH!!!

    And Wall Street, to your shagrin I’m sure, donated far more to Obama than they did to McCain. How do you reconcile that?

    Hanity’s point is that people with money spend money, which invariably provides money for other people. Normally I’d say folks without cash cant support anyone else, but you’re a Dem and that notion seems to be foreign to you.

    Here’s a good way to understand the logic of the Dems. According to the Dems, for Tiger to fix his current situation, the best thing he could do would be to get more girlfriends, because somehow that will make things better. That is the Dem solution to the deficit, spend more… Its stupid for Tiger and even more stupid for the government.

  • 31. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 11, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    How do you reconcile that?

    Its like asking “Where’s the OUTRAGE!!!11! with Frankin Raines for presiding over the lunacy at Fannie Mac/Freddie Mae while at the same time personally pocketing more than one million dollars in bonuses from the “reckless sthpending” that Barney Frank got twitterpated about. Oh wait…he was an Obama “Economic Advisor”. My Bad. Nevermind.

  • 32. An800lbGorilla  |  December 11, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    :)

    Exactly. The double standard that flows from the left is ridiculous. Its like these talking points get handed out from the left and they just parrot the sheet, never thinking for a moment what it actually says, or more importantly, what it really means.

  • 33. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 11, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    Not to mention that Bwarney Fwanks was in that mess up to his eyeballs, and we’re expected to just accept the idea that he is going to fix it! I really don’t want to be some of these people when my children’s generation comes of age. I don’t think its gonna be pretty.

  • 34. Tex Taylor  |  December 11, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    Rutherford parrots the lefty sheet alright, but Rutherford gets his progressive bonus sheet from Keith Olbermann, who has the look of enjoying a little fisting, and Rachel Madcow, who we know enjoys fisting from a different direction. Of course, I don’t believe either even of the jackboots have children making them the perfect “progressive” candidates to decide what’s good for all parents.

    I’ve always wanted to participate in a little “footing” with Keith Olbermann, with me wearing a pair of steel toed boots. Metro Keith will be wearing his nerts for earrings if I ever got the chance.

  • 35. Tex Taylor  |  December 11, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    Barney Frank was the inventor of “iron” fisting…

  • 36. Dead Rabbit  |  December 11, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    “Hanity’s point is that people with money spend money, which invariably provides money for other people.”-Gorilla

    Not this time, brother. Hantiy’s point is that people with other people’s money spend that money. HUGE difference there.

    I heard Hanity’s whole speel today on the radio. He’s outraged. Earth to Hanity. It’s TAX PAYERS MONEY. END OF STORY.

    It’s blatant thievery. Blatant.

    Hanity is essentially making an argument for government spending. I guess somehow it tastes better to him when it’s in Manhattan and not Michigan.

    However, the Rabbit is perfectly willing to be “Hantized”. Cut me a check for 5 million and I will spend the shit out of it.

  • 37. Dead Rabbit  |  December 11, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    Sadly, we’re all the ones being fisted by Barney Frank.

  • 38. Dead Rabbit  |  December 11, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    shpeel? speel?

  • 39. Rutherford  |  December 12, 2009 at 12:43 am

    I think of Safe schools being a place were children are safe from preditory perverts, not a place were said perverts are safe to be predatory perverts.

    Well said, truly.

  • 40. Rutherford  |  December 12, 2009 at 12:54 am

    Hey Rabbit, you didn’t hear me say the Dem’s would come to your rescue. I’m not stupid enough to think you’d believe that. I’m just telling you that a third party is what you need cos the GOP ain’t gonna do squat for you.

    As for the support that the investment banks give Dems, it makes sense since the Dem’s were complicit in where we are right now. Nobody did right by this economic situation, not the Dem’s or the Repub’s.

    But I’m talking ideology here. Conservatives are so wedded to the “free market fixes everything” concept that they overlook that greedy corporations will screw the little guy if it makes their coffers get fuller. I don’t think libs have that ideology. Now one might argue that libs don’t walk it like they talk it but that’s a different story. At least if their walk followed their talk, we’d stand half a chance.

  • 41. Rutherford  |  December 12, 2009 at 12:57 am

    Let’s get back to the sex ed question for a moment. OK, fisting, spit or swallow …. obviously overboard. BUT I would like to pose this question. Do you all believe that the sex ed we received when we were in health class 35 years ago is adequate in today’s society when kids are bombarded with cable TV and the Internet?

  • 42. Tex Taylor  |  December 12, 2009 at 1:47 am

    When did we ever get to the point that we thought school the most appropriate place to teach sex education? Hell, public schools can’t even teach reading and math – but they’re hell on wheels about global warming and second hand smoke. What could possibly make them qualified to teach about morals, if the can’t handle “See Spot Run”? Are parent(s) incapable of anything anymore without government intervention? If so, then maybe we aren’t addressing the correct problem.

    Case and point. When Rutherford and I were in school, we didn’t have libbie do gooders that came out of the woodwork to counsel when some tragedy occurred. At least three times while I was in K-12, I can remember children dying with one at the school, yet somehow we were able to make it thru without paid shrinks, mental midget counselors, mystics, and the like.

    I honestly think these educational intervention types (almost always with lefty psychology or sociology degree in hand) revel in tragedy. It makes them feel required, when in reality they are a symptom of a bigger problem – lousy frickin parents casting responsibility on someone else raised under the ignorance of morons like Dr. Spock, Kinsey, and Hollywood queers.

    And Rutherford, before you give me the leftist bent about a different world today, there isn’t a damn thing new under the sun, only back then it was herpes, syphilis, and gonorrhea; acid, speed, and weed. I was looking at x-rated books that we stole from some neighborhood bum’s garage in the 6th grade. The fact that you can now see it on the internet makes it no different than stroking the mojo in the attic when mom was at the grocery store.

    Trust me, the world was screwed up in the 70s as well – but we had a lot fewer broken homes, a lot few government parasites living off the dole, and a better sense of responsibility which included shame.

  • 43. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 12, 2009 at 1:52 am

    Conservatives are so wedded to the “free market fixes everything” concept that they overlook that greedy corporations will screw the little guy if it makes their coffers get fuller. I don’t think libs have that ideology.

    Oh, no. The libs don’t have that ideology at all. They don’t want the competition. That’s why they continue to act like businesses are simply fonts of money to fund their endless programs and entitlements…after significant shipping and handling costs are taken out, of course.

    Now one might argue that libs don’t walk it like they talk it but that’s a different story.

    No, one could say it outright…and be correct. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, William Jefferson…I could go on (and on).

    Let’s get back to the sex ed question for a moment. OK, fisting, spit or swallow …. obviously overboard. BUT I would like to pose this question. Do you all believe that the sex ed we received when we were in health class 35 years ago is adequate in today’s society when kids are bombarded with cable TV and the Internet?

    1. I didn’t have sex ed in health class 25 years ago. It would have been redundant. Dad was a Science Teacher.

    2. It isn’t the school’s job. It’s the parents’ job. If you abdicate, then you are abandoning your child to the predators.

    3. I have already started to talk to my oldest son about it.

    4. Cable and the Internet are a threat if you do not act like a parent and decide what is and is not approporiate for your children to see…supervised or unsupervised. And if you put just a little effort into it, you can put controls in place…the v-chip, locked channels on cable, Net Nanny, etc.

  • 44. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 12, 2009 at 7:09 am

    “But I’m talking ideology here. Conservatives are so wedded to the “free market fixes everything” concept that they overlook that greedy corporations will screw the little guy if it makes their coffers get fuller. I don’t think libs have that ideology. Now one might argue that libs don’t walk it like they talk it but that’s a different story. At least if their walk followed their talk, we’d stand half a chance.” — R

    Conservatives Liberals are so wedded to the “free market government fixes everything” concept that they overlook that greedy corporations politicians will screw the little guy if it makes their campaign coffers get fuller.

    BS the libs don’t have that ideology. Who are you trying to kid, libs constantly inform us all in how dumb we are and how smart they are and how they should simply dictate our lives to us. You’re doing the same thing with this sex ed thing.

    Really, do we need to have sex ed in kindergarden? Who controls the moral compass? Why do I and my family have to accept morality lessons from someone we find immoral? See this is what I don’t get, a girl takes it in the ass and she’s dirty, a boy does it and he’s just expressing himself. You know what’s so hilarious about this is that if it was so natural, then why has nature ensured that that activity have absolutely no means of procreation?

    And I’m sorry, you don’t get a pass on the internet or cable. It isn’t conservatives putting sex on the airwaves, in television programs or in advertising. You and I both know these are largely liberal bastions acting according to liberal morality.

    Did right by this… you’re begining to disgust me. The Dems CAUSED this, you’re continued denial won’t change that. Dodd and Frank were promoting the very activity that caused the financial meltdown, and then actively prevented the system from self correcting. Why? Because they’re fucking dependent on the lowest common denominator.

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, the difference between conservatives and liberals is clear. Conservatives look to create an environment that raises everyone to the highest level, whereas libs look to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Libs in general continue to prove this point to all daily…

  • 45. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 12, 2009 at 10:06 am

    Rabbit,

    I’m not for the tax payers providing bonus money, however, I find it very odd that the fed will not allow a lot of these banks to pay the money back either. Why would the fed prevent a bank from paying the money back? How about the amount of control the fed has as long as the bank still owes them money. Manipulation?

  • 46. dead rabbit 2.0  |  December 12, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    “Case and point. When Rutherford and I were in school, we didn’t have libbie do gooders that came out of the woodwork to counsel when some tragedy occurred. At least three times while I was in K-12, I can remember children dying with one at the school, yet somehow we were able to make it thru without paid shrinks, mental midget counselors, mystics, and the like.”-Tex

    Tex is so dead on correct here I almost spit my coffee out. The powers that be in Public Education pretend parents don’t have any role in their kids’ life. I see it all the time.

    I have seen the whole “tragedy counseling thing” in my school several times. Never, and I mean NEVER, did they NOT make things 100 times worse.

    These “tragedy” people are the most pretentious lot I have ever met in my life.

    It’s a mindset. The government is the parent.

    The Dead Rabbit is but a simple man. For the most part I teach 9th grade young-ins World History. .I joke around, make the kids sit up straight and teach them how to write an answer in paragraph form. Hopefully I spark some interest in the past. It cracks me up that you libs think some ex-roofer, 115 IQ meat head like me can take the place of two parents in the home.

    i wake up everyday pondering how to be a Dad. But, oh no. the minute I got to work and transform into Mr. ********** from the Dead Rabbit, I know better then the entire community. Fools!

  • 47. dead rabbit 2.0  |  December 12, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    I too find it very odd that the fed will not allow a lot of these banks to pay the money back. Actually I don’t. Fricking socialist bastards.

  • 48. Rutherford  |  December 12, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    i wake up everyday pondering how to be a Dad. But, oh no. the minute I got to work and transform into Mr. ********** from the Dead Rabbit, I know better then the entire community. Fools!

    WOW, you don’t see what you’ve just said here? First of all, let’s get the “ponder how to be a Dad” part out of the way, Odds are you’ll be a better dad than 75% of the other dads out there.

    With that out of the way, because that other 75% of parents don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground, the public schools have had to intervene. Instead of blaming the public school system, tell all the mom’s to get their sh*t together and tell the dads to man up.

    Let’s forget about the non-academic for a moment. I look at the home work that my kindergarten daughter brings home. YES dude, homework in kindergarten with explicit instructions to the parents on how to help. Fortunately my daughter has two parents who 1) give a sh*t and 2) can carve out the time to help her. What about the parents who either are too selfish to spend the time OR are working two or three jobs to make ends meet and don’t have the time or energy to spend? And that’s just academics! That’s not social training, civics training or how to be a good f*cking human being training.

    Rabbit you’re a good dad worried about being a bad one. What about the bad ones? What about the moms who sit on their ass and watch TV all day? Who helps make sure those kids get half a chance? The public schools do. If that pisses you off, then talk to the half-assed parents and tell them to do their goddam job. Once that happens, they’ll go to the school district en masse an demand that they get their nose out of family business. But lots of parents LIKE it that way so they don’t have do to their job.

    As a school teacher, I know full well you see lots of kids whom you know don’t have parents worth a damn.

  • 49. dead rabbit 2.0  |  December 12, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    “As a school teacher, I know full well you see lots of kids whom you know don’t have parents worth a damn.”

    Yes sir, I do. You know what it looks like? Ever been to the dog races? Ever see that fake rabbit that the dogs chase during the race? Now, picture hundred dollar bills flying out of the dogs asses. Do the dogs ever catch the fake rabbit?

    The government’s response to these jack ass families?

    Throw money at them, get the kid certified with a learning disability and watch the trial layers’ mouths salivate.

    Can I help a kid like that? I like to think I do all the time. But, it takes no expensive “program” from the sour belly of some ass clown bureaucrat. It also doesn’t take computer equipment, tragedy counselors or some perverted sexual pamphlet forced upon my class room.

    It takes a little bit of honesty and rapport

    As for my own musings on if I am a good Dad, do not mistake that as some hypocritical admission of wanting help from the state.

    I’m telling you, I see it everyday. The government fucks everything up.

    If you think some committee made up of people with Liberal Arts degrees in some stale room far, far away knows more about your daughter then you do, your crazy. If you think they know more about the knuckleheads out there, or ever crazier!

    By the way, homework in Kindergarten? Ridiculous!

  • 50. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 12, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    With that out of the way, because that other 75% of parents don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground, the public schools have had to intervene. Instead of blaming the public school system, tell all the mom’s to get their sh*t together and tell the dads to man up.

    Piffle and nonsense. Most of my family were teachers in Dead Rabbit’s state. Every single one of them wll tell you that the school districts started to push the parents out in the early 80’s, adopting a “Trust Us, We’re the Experts” stance. This is complete hogwash, btw, as teaching itself has been contnually changing with fads in the profession for the last 40 years. While it is true that there are parents who really don’t parent, it is neither the schools’ duty or place to “Step in”.

    The average teacher is barely qualified to teach, let alone be a counselor, role model, mentor, parental figure, and all-around surrogate parent. They have one job, that is to teach, and they can’t even do that well most of the time, yet now with “outcome based education” the state is teaching morals to the same children that it can’t teach math to. If that doesn’t horrify you, then you haven’t thought about it enough, and with these GLSEN perverts roaming the halls, giving out guides to Gay Bars and meeting places, and detailed instructions on “what to do”, we have people who can barely teach now concerned with advancing the aims of their own self gratification. I find it interesting that education’s “mission creep” parallels that of government in general. Both have expanded far beyond their intended and delinated limitations and justified these ultra vires activities with general rubric that it is “for our own good.”

    If I’m going to have someone acting out of their own self-interest determinng “what’s good for me and mine”, I think I would rather it be me, thankseversomuch.

    You still haven’t answered my question, R. Who in Iraq would you have us apologize to?

  • 51. Rutherford  |  December 12, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    Rabbit not sure if your comment about homework was true disbelief or sarcasm. In any case, at least it’s not nightly yet. It’s due every Tuesday.

    Gorilla, I’m sorry but I think you’re wrong. A vocal bunch of parents can shape a curriculum and have an effect on how a school runs. I didn’t like a DVD my kid brought home from pre-school and I politely raised bloody hell about it. I was assured it would not happen again and it didn’t.

    Public schools going beyond their bounds is a combination of overreaching government and submissive parents grateful not to have to fill the void themselves.

    As for Iraq, I’m not sure I ever said we owe anyone in Iraq an apology. But since we did wreck their country, making life pretty damn hard for the middle class (unlike Afghanistan, Iraq had a middle class) who were doing quite fine under Saddam thank-you-very-much, maybe we owe them an apology? Moreover we owe all the American families who lost loved ones for NOTHING an apology. Is that specific enough for you?

    And as for this GLSEN thing, I should know better than to buy the conservative alarmist stuff wholesale. All I’ve read today is a headline in Media Matters saying it’s bunk. I will now find out why they say that and present my findings. I’m beginning to realize that you guys are as susceptible to Fox claptrap as I am to MSNBC.

  • 52. Dead Rabbit  |  December 12, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    it was true disbelief.

  • 53. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 12, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    Public schools going beyond their bounds is a combination of overreaching government and submissive parents grateful not to have to fill the void themselves.

    *claps*

    R, thank you for ADMITTING that public schools have exceeded their assigned role and limitations, and that an “overeaching government”. The first step to recovery is to get past denial, and you just took a HUGE step today.

    I think if you were honest, you might reflect on your own experience, take a hard look at which parents fit the description you lay out above, you might find that the “submissive” ones are as much blind believers in the nonsensical “expertocracy” rampant in both the public schools and the overreaching government that you have so graciously admitted exists.

    As for Iraq, I’m not sure I ever said we owe anyone in Iraq an apology.

    For those who weren’t following the thread at my place, and I quote:

    As for one apology that is needed, and I know you don’t agree with this. How about Iraq? How about invading a country who did us no harm and posed no real threat? I think that’s a good start.

    To which I responded:
    Hmmm. To whom do we direct the apology? The old lady with the purple finger? The countless women who no longer live in fear of Saddam’s rape rooms? The people who now won’t disappear for opposing Saddam? The kurds, who can now breathe freely now that the regime’s bootheel is off their throat? Maybe the neighbors who no longer worry about a beligerent madman who already proved he wasn’t afraid to invade them and seize whatever assets and resources he wanted?

    But I see I was mistaken. I assumed you meant a meaningful apology, the kind where the transgressor actually addresses the transgressed. Apparently you meant a meaningless gesture, the kind that your hero used to engage in with his “present” votes. But since you suggest “the [Iraqi] middle class”, let me ask, so we can be clear: Are you talking about “the middle class” that had its economic standing because its members were the “correct” sect of Islam, and were members of the Ba’thist Party, which skillfully employed the twin tools of brutality and depravity in order to remain in power and continue to hand out favors and position to the faithful, while oppressing the Shi’a and the Kurds? That middle class?

    All I’ve read today is a headline in Media Matters saying it’s bunk.

    Geez. Why stick with the diluted stuff? Why not go to our very own version of Prava, MSNBC, and get the official White House Press Release on the subject? If you ask nicely, they might even throw in a presser with Gibbs assuring us that there is no story here, even as a teacher gets caught buggering a student in an alcove around the corner from the East Room.

  • 54. Tex Taylor  |  December 13, 2009 at 2:40 am

    Um ummm…Rutherford,

    First, since I brought the subject up, you are mistaken again where I got my “source” of information. My claims about GLSEN are from WorldNetDaily – not FOX News.

    Second, I want to know a simple question. Are you telling me that it is not Jennings voice on the matter of “Fisting” that we are listening to? If that is true, it will indeed make me mad that I have been misled. But if you make your claim, yet can’t deny that is Jennings explaining fisting, then I think this should be a very simple debate.

    If it is Jennings voice, then he should be canned immediately. I remember you also told us the stuff about Van Jones was bogus, only to later find out you were wrong and Van was gone once the truth was revealed. I suspect you will once again be proven wrong – and the fact you use Media Matters, a leftist shill Soros blog, and they quote the equally vacuous Southern Poverty Law Center – a hack group if there ever was, makes me quite suspect of your claims.

    xxoxx,

    Tex

  • 55. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 13, 2009 at 9:39 am

    Never- well, never is too strong a word since I do talk to liberals- it’s been a while since I’ve found someone so ignorant on a subject so emphatically lecture me on its moral requirements.

    The Iraqi “middle class” were Ba’athists in the government. They were granted benefits and access beyond everyone else because of their sect (though not completely, there were Shi’a Ba’athists too) but mostly because of their political ideology. In exchange, they were less brutalized than the others, though that only went so far.

    A large portion of Saddam’s benevolence, which apparently allowed the “middle class” to do so well, was his use of the tribes. Of course, when he felt the tribe was getting a bit too strong- whether it had done something against him or not- he would shift favor and target the tribe. But I wouldn’t expect you to know this, let alone care.

    I think the fact that we continue, to this day, find mass graves with hundreds of people in them rather telling on well the “middle class” was doing in Iraq under Saddam.

    Nothing of value has come from Iraq? Let me get this straight, you’ll reserve judgement on the One because it is too soon to tell if his methods will work or not, but you’ve already cast judgement on a fundamental geopolitical shift in a chaotic region? A move on a global playing board that isn’t even completed yet? You mind sending me the crystal ball you’re using, it’d make my job a bit easier…

    Have you been to Walter Reed? Did you know that the most commonly heard premise is that they wish to get better as soon as possible so they can go back and finish the mission. While you may not admit it online to all, I know you’ve noticed how decidedly different Bush is/was treated by the military to how Obama is treated. Bush respected the military, Obama doesn’t. I’ve seen this before, it was exactly the same way under Clinton, which brings me to another interesting point- will you please explain to me then why I was deployed in combat operations against Iraq in 1996 for Operation Desert Strike? How about when I was deployed, again, in 1998 for combat ops, again, against Iraq in Operation Desert Fox?

    My mom was a teacher, so I’ve some familiarity with the education system, and yes I am familiar with the importance of vocal parents- I am one. BiW has, as usual, commented effectively on this, so I need say little else.

    Media Matters? That’s your ‘source’ of refute? Hmmmmm, OK…

  • 56. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 13, 2009 at 9:45 am

    Your lack of substantial commentary is disappointing…

  • 57. Tex Taylor  |  December 13, 2009 at 11:58 am

    Ouch – like ripping a bandaid of the festering Obama scab. This has gotta hurt.

    Let’s give a hand to the man of hope & change. From the most accurate polling pundit of the last two Presidential elections, I give you Obama’s striking negative approval – now sitting at the abysmal 19% negative.

    Buwahahahahahahahahaha… :lol:

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

  • 58. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 13, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    The President’s Approval Index rating is -2 among voters under 30 and -29 among senior citizens. From an income perspective, the President’s ratings are weakest among those who earn $40,000 to $100,000 annually.

    Tex, this is the key piece of the poll. We’re not talking about the super wealthy, we’re talking the middle class. The average Joe who goes to work every day working 9-5.

    It is bad among seniors, the most reliable voter bloc in the nation.

    O approval among those who hold fiscal policy as a priortity- 1% strongly approve, 81% strongly disapprove.

    Provided we can hold off this healthcare nightmare, I can’t wait for 2010 to get here…

  • 59. Tex Taylor  |  December 13, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Gorilla,

    Obviously, the middle class is now starting to reject Obama as capable. Another key piece of the poll, and one that I think maybe equally, if not more important is this one:

    The 23% who Strongly Approve matches the lowest level of enthusiasm yet recorded. Just 41% of Democrats Strongly Approve while 69% of Republicans Strongly Disapprove. Among voters not affiliated with either major party, 21% Strongly Approve and 49% Strongly Disapprove.

  • 60. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 13, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    It is bad among seniors, the most reliable voter bloc in the nation.

    Yes, but by happy coincidence, these are the same people who will suffer most under the new health care rationing regime…

  • 61. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 13, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Tex, considering the growing number of independents, it is certainly a point of concern for the administration, or at least should be.

    BiW, I didn’t miss that either. I guess you don’t have to worry about the most reliable voting bloc if you just kill them off… ;)

  • 62. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 13, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    I suppose I could just post the link, but there are several key pieces in this that I want to bring out. Besides, it’ll be more fun this way… ;)

    Palin on the Rise; Obama is Old News
    By Jack Kelly

    I’m sure a 6-year-old with a crayon could do something not unlike that,” snarked White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs Tuesday.

    [Gorilla: It is this condesending attitude from the administration that will get smiles from the left, but will turn off independents and motivate the right.]

    The object of Mr. Gibbs’ scorn was Gallup’s tracking poll for the day before, which showed only 47 percent of respondents approve of the job President Barack Obama is doing, with 46 percent disapproving.

    Perhaps Mr. Gibbs’ skin was thin because this was the lowest ranking for a president at this point in his presidency since Gallup began conducting presidential approval polls in 1938.

    Meanwhile, a CNN/Opinion Research Poll also released Monday indicated 46 percent of respondents have a favorable impression of Sarah Palin, while 46 percent have an unfavorable one.

    The polls were not quite the same. Gallup asked people what they thought of the job Mr. Obama was doing, not whether or not they liked him.

    Even with that caveat, though, the convergence between Mr. Obama and Ms. Palin is remarkable. There is no statistical difference between the one and the other.

    This represents a substantial gain in public esteem for Ms. Palin since she resigned as governor of Alaska in July, and a substantial decline for Mr. Obama over the same period.

    Sarah Palin’s been on a roll since the publication of her autobiography last month. “Going Rogue” is already the second-biggest seller among nonfiction books in history (only Bill Clinton’s 2004 autobiography, “My Life,” sold more copies in the first month), and could be No. 1 before the end of her book tour, since her sales seem to be holding up better than his did.

    The book tour itself is a cultural phenomenon. At each stop hundreds, often thousands, of people have waited hours, sometimes days, to meet her.

    Could Barack Obama — who now seems so last year — inspire that kind of devotion today?

    The turnabout in fortunes is all the more remarkable because no political figure in recent history has been subject to such vilification from our news media as Sarah Palin. No malicious rumor was too preposterous to report. No accomplishment was important enough to mention.

    Meanwhile, no presidential candidate or president has received more favorable press coverage than Barack Obama.

    “President Barack Obama has enjoyed substantially more positive media coverage than either Bill Clinton or George W. Bush during their first months in the White House,” concluded a Pew Research study last May. Forty-two percent of stories in major newspapers and television news programs about Mr. Obama were favorable, compared to 22 percent for Mr. Bush and 27 percent for Mr. Clinton.

    “The press just acted like this guy walked on water,” Washington Post media critic Howard Kurtz said during the campaign.

    That’s changing, in both directions.

    Sarah Palin interrupted her book tour to speak at the Gridiron Club, the biggest social event of the year for Washington journalists.

    “The very fact she was willing to take the chance of appearing in a room full of her most disdainful critics is testimony to her courage,” wrote Dan Thomasson of Scripps Howard. “She came away with at least a consensus of grudging admiration.”

    “Her appearance produced the extraordinary scene of inside-the-Beltway cynics and their significant others asking for autographs,” Mr. Thomasson noted.

    “Palin won the evening,” conceded columnist Clarence Page.

    “As much as her politics are not mine, after chatting with her and her husband, good-natured ‘First Dude’ Todd Palin, I came away with a new fondness and respect for both of them,” Mr. Page wrote.

    “Going Rogue” received savage reviews from most liberals, like that from Ana Marie Cox in The Washington Post, who acknowledged she hadn’t actually read the book.

    ["Gorilla: This surprised me, I don't know why, but it did. I would have expected her to read it, or at least stick by the lie that she did."]

    Those who did have a different opinion. Stanley Fish, writing for The New York Times, described it as “compelling and very well done.”

    The reaction of liberals to Sarah Palin — which is like that of vampires to garlic — indicate she is the Republican they fear most. With good reason, Mr. Fish thinks.

    “Perseverance, the ability to absorb defeat without falling into defeatism, is the key to Palin’s character,” he wrote. “Her political opponents, especially those who dismissed Ronald Reagan before he was elected, should take note.”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/printpage/?url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/12/13/palin_on_the_rise_obama_is_old_news_99540.html

  • 63. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 13, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    An excellent article on the spinning done by Media Matters in general, with bonus smackdown on its take on Fistgate: A Kevin Jeninngs Love Story:

    The unflappable defenders of the Left also add this comment on Fistgate chapters I-VI:

    The latest charges, which highlighted the creepy right-wing fascination with gay sex, were rolled over days and presented as the ultimate take-down of Jennings. [Media Matters]

    Putting aside the question of whether or not the Left was displaying a “creepy fascination with gay sex” when Republican Sen. Larry Craig was discovered to have pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from another man in a public bathroom, Media Matters alleged inability to comprehend that the Jennings story has nothing to do with homosexuality, and everything to do with adults sharing and discussing XXX rated materials with children, is very revealing in a terribly unflattering way.

    It appears there is no line a Progressive Democrat can cross which will put them on the bad side of Media Matters.

    Man it feels good to be a gangster Progressive Democrat!

    Ouch. Just ouch.

    http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/11/iron-clad-how-to-get-away-with-lying-cheating-stealing-and-even-sexually-predatory-behavior-towards-children/#more-44806

  • 64. Tex Taylor  |  December 13, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    Forgetting for a moment that Rutherford is the one apparently who has been misled by the utterly useless, proverbial lying, blatantly slanted, George “Felon” Soros funded Media Matters, as proven by the numerous articles now appearing on the web today, I was hoping that our old friend “R” would simply explain why we need a member of the radical queer group “Act Up” being appointed to “Safe School” Czar?

    I say this in all serious. Obama could do no worse pertaining to his appointment of Kevin “Fist Me” Jennings, than nominating say the President of NAMBLA or Larry Flynt to lead our “floundering” esteemed public school system.

    Rutherford, are you so blinded by your dumbing deviancy downward slant on politics that you can’t simply accept that whomever is in charge of appointing these peter puffing types to higher office, whether Obama or someone on his staff, to so deficient to be an embarrassment to your “progressive” causes?

    For a time, I thought this was just some throwback to the failed hippie anti-establishment of 60s fame, but this is truly Bill Ayers type qualification.

    Though I don’t think Obama should yet be impeached for gross incompetence at the risk of making him some historical martyr, he is starting to walk the fine line of perhaps needing his ass kicked to the curb. :twisted:

  • 65. Dead Rabbit  |  December 13, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    I have no idea why, but I went over to senisco’s blog, just now.

    The chick is STILL making “Tea Bag” jokes. Other then over played jokes, guess what else her blog is about?

    Well, yes, of course she is still up to the same thing, ripping on people’s signs and what not to make a political point.

    But the funny part is that she is ripping on the poor grammar found on a sign from a Tea Party demonstration.

    This person of all people making fun of others who can’t express themselves.

  • 66. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 13, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    Yeah, saw it as well. Stupid, but what can you expect from that twit…

  • 67. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 13, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    So good I had to share…

    http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/12-01-09talkRGB20091203111116.jpg

  • 68. Tex Taylor  |  December 13, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    Gorilla,
    :lol: Rutherford will probably be offended, mainly because it actually could happen.

    I wonder what Bomba thinks of dialogue with Mahmoud now that Mahmoud has given Bomba the virtual slap across the face? I doubt Obama would admit to as much.
    ———————-

    So Rabbit, Densico is actually as dumb at her own blog as here? She was so dumb here, I actually thought beforehand it was somebody clever simply demonstrating parody, until I realized she was serious.

    Sensico is dangerously stupid.

  • 69. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 13, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    I have no idea why, but I went over to senisco’s blog, just now.

    Masochist?

    I went once, a few months ago. Stupid that profound doesn’t need traffic from me. I have never been back.

  • 70. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 13, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    I’ve displayed masochistic behavior before, after all, I am a Denver Broncos fan… ;)

    I don’t know what overcame me, I guess the thought that maybe I’d see something worth chatting about somewhere else (God knows talking to her is painful), but alas, that wasn’t to be. Admitedly, not one of my clearer thinking moments…

  • 71. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 13, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    Admitedly, not one of my clearer thinking moments…

    That’s like kyptonite to the IQ…if you were equipped with a counter, you could watch the numbers tumble backward toward zero every second you stay there.

  • 72. Dead Rabbit  |  December 13, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    lol….

  • 73. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 13, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    Then, in an effor tto correct this vitamin deficiency, I shall read the Constitution twice, the Bill of Rights three times, and at least one federalist paper.

    I’ll even throw in some Thomas Paine to ensure it takes…
    :)

  • 74. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 13, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    Don’t forget the Charter of our rights, the Declaration of Independence.

  • 75. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 13, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    Of course, never to be left aside is that great document!

  • 76. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    I’ve seen you boys be pretty juvenile regarding Sensico, but this weekend’s display takes the cake. One or two of you go to her blog, disagree with what she has to say, and then come back here to gripe about it.

    Let’s assume for the sake of argument (a premise with which I don’t agree) that Sensico’s debating skills are wanting. One would think, as responsible adults, you’d comment on HER blog and see if you could get her to rise to the challenge … actually give her some practice in debate. Instead, like little skirt-wearing gossips, you come back here to dis her where she will be less likely to see your comments.

    Hell, I seem to recall some of you have kids her age in college right now. C’mon guys, grow the f*ck up.

  • 77. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    The Iraqi “middle class” were Ba’athists in the government. …

    G, one of my favorite things about Iraq war excuse makers is the revisionist history.

    We’re going after their WMD’s.
    Ehhh no.

    We’re making sure they can’t hurt America minus the WMD’s.
    Ehhhh no.

    We’re protecting the poor Iraqi people from their own government.
    Ahhhh yeah, that’s the ticket.

    OK … so we buy your latest excuse and we ask the obvious question, why Iraq? Lots of governments around the world treating their people like crap but Iraq deserved our special attention. Well, I guess no oil in Darfur. :-)

  • 78. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 14, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    I know I’ve said this before, but I’ll say it again.

    Iraq was a key cog in the global war on terror. Its ability, as a pro-Western democracy, to influence Iran- the number one sponsor of global terror- cannot be ignored. Consider this, 65% of Iran’s population is 25 years old or younger. They do not identify with the 1979 revolution and are increasingly dissatisfied with the current system of government in Iran (as demonstrated in the current and ongoing demonstrations), to include a desire for an improvement in relations with- not interference from- the U.S. There is increasing signs that another revolution will occur in Iran within the next five to ten years, and a democratic Iraq will only expedite this.

    A pro-Western democracy in Iraq will have an enormous impact on Syria- the number one sponsor of terror in the region. Bashar Assad already holds tenuously his grip on power in Syria. He does not have the power nor the charisma of his father, Hafez, or the grooming for power that his late brother Basil received. Ethnically, he comes from an estranged sect of Islam- the Alawites- which isn’t universally recognized by the Shi’ah community let alone the 74% majority of Sunni’s within the republic. The effects of Iraq are already apparent in Syria’s forced withdrawal from its 30 year occupation in Lebanon and its attempts to improve relations with the West and the regional powers like Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

    Finally, a pro-Western democracy in Iraq impacts Saudi Arabia- the number one private financier of global terrorism. While the U.S. did not invade Iraq for oil, its oil capacity, which is arguably as much as Saudi Arabia, allows it to present itself as a relief valve to pressure on the Saudi regime. The U.S. gets roughly 13% of its oil from the Middle East, where as Europe and Asia get 75% and 60% respectively. U.S. support of Saudi Arabia has been in effort to support the global economy, because if the oil market is destabilized, it could potentially collapse the European and Asian economies, both of which the U.S. is heavily interwoven with. But a pro-Western democracy in Iraq allows a gradual increase of pressure on the al-Saud regime to crack down on the financial contributors as well as address the radical ideology that comes from the religious segment of the society. We have largely seen this occur over the last few years with Saudi Arabia expanding its efforts to remove these threats.

    So in a geo-political sense, the conflict in Iraq was infinitely wiser than trying to go after each of these threats one at a time. Considering the implications Iraq has, it is also no wonder that things don’t happen over night- these are extremely complex machinations that require fermentation to properly unfold.

    But it is you who has the revisionist 20/20 hindsight. Did or did not the world, to include all of the Western intelligence agencies assess that Saddam had WMD? Saddam order the deployment and use of his WMD stockpiles as the war began, but nothing happened- do you suppose then that since he gave the order to use these weapons that he assumed he had them?

    More to the point, the only thing that was continuing sanctions on Iraq was the threat of WMD. The sanctions regime was collapsing and it was all the US and UK could do to keep it in check since France, Germany, Russia and China were all violating the sanctions through the Oil for Food program. Now, Saddam claimed, right before the war, that he had unilaterally destroyed the weapons. Since these were the only thing keeping the sanctiosn in place, really, do you think we would do it in the dead of night in secret? Of course not. If he had actually destroyed the weapons, he would have had every Western news agency there to watch so that the US and UK could no longer maintain the argument for keeping the sanctions.

    But here is the most important part- we’ve found WMD in Iraq. We haven’t found large consolidated stockpiles of it, but we find regularly to this day, chemical and biological weapons.

    Your argument has no basis is fact or logic.

  • 79. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    Oy, the conflict!

  • 80. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    Sorry for the off-topic vid’s but a little lift can’t hurt. This one is hospital staff dancing for breast cancer awareness. I dare anyone to watch these ordinary folks smiling and hamming it up and not feel a little bit better than you did before.

  • 81. Tex Taylor  |  December 14, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Oh Rutherford, you do gooder, you! I’m so proud to call you my liberal friend as you scold us about all of our juvenile shortcomings. That is what makes you special about your fatherly rants – the sequoia in your eye as you remove the specks. Is this where we point to the multitude of Sarah Palin posts?

    Hell, I seem to recall some of you have kids her age in college right now. C’mon guys, grow the f*ck up.

    If either of my beautiful daughters had turned out sounding, thinking and reasoning like Sensico, that is the one possibility that might make me turn radical Muslim jihadi father – one of those mercy killing thingies where dad runs the daughter over with the car for bringing shame to the family. :smile:

    Merry Christmas old Rutherford and I hope life finds you well. The song was cute.

  • 82. Dead Rabbit  |  December 14, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    “Let’s assume for the sake of argument (a premise with which I don’t agree) that Sensico’s debating skills are wanting.”-rutherford

    Rutherford, I went through the “back catalog” of all sensico posts on here and her own blog and want to take the time to make a heartfelt apology.

    You are correct, her debating skills are amazing. I can’t believe I saw it the wrong way this whole time. What was I thinking?

    Anyways, I totally see the light now.

    ps. I even went back to yesterday’s blog entry and cracked up big time. Tea Baggers! lol. That’s a reference to a man sticking his nut sack in someone’s face. Hilarious! I get it now!

  • 83. Tex Taylor  |  December 14, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    I swear, my hometown is still in the dark ages, even if we do hate Obama.

    I have two old TVs (both work 27″ & 21″) that are about 10 years old, and a monster Dell monitor (21″ and works) that I am trying to get rid of. I try to be a good citizen and so I call one of these lefty enviro friendly green places, and for a $25.00 per unit, they’ll be glad to recycle them for me.

    I told the long-haired idiot that I have a commercial chain saw that will make quick work and they’ll find it with the tuna cans in the city dump if that’s the case. These painted, pierced punks always think they’ve got a mad man when I am dealing with them. They get real big eyed with some of my responses and just mumble quietly.

    I ain’t paying $75.00 for the luxury of dropping off three electronic disposals, knowing fully well they gut these things.

  • 84. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    Sarcasm, thy name is Dead Rabbit.

  • 85. Dead Rabbit  |  December 14, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    Hey Tex, the garbage pickers would be fighting over that stuff here.

  • 86. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Well Tex you first of all have violated the first rule of the Lawson household. Never part with a working TV! We currently have six of them, all of which get used at one time or another. Heck, my wife practically had to sedate me in order to throw out a 30 year old Magnavox (with a dial tuner) that we stopped using ages ago.

    TV has always been one of my vices. In fact I blame my poor college GPA on the lack of a television in my dorm. It provides me with structure and context. Absolutely essential.

    P.S. When I was a kid and there were only three major networks I actually used to have notebooks in which I calculated each networks success for that season. I guess I was a Nielsen wanna-be. :-)

  • 87. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    Oh BTW Rabbit, you made the same PG-13 mistake that Olbermann made on MSNBC a week or two ago. “It” actually involves “dipping” the sack in the partner’s mouth. ;-)

    Methinks you need a few refresher lessons from GLSEN? :lol:

  • 88. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    LOL Gorilla, Jack Kelly is clearly an asshat.

    Even with that caveat, though, the convergence between Mr. Obama and Ms. Palin is remarkable. There is no statistical difference between the one and the other.

    He says this after admitting that the poll dissing Obama did so on his job performance while the poll praising Palin did so on “do you like her”.

    The “caveat” blows his comparison out of the water. Yet he persists and you, sadly buy his crap wholesale. Once he made that lame caveat remark, you should have stopped reading just on principle.

  • 89. Dead Rabbit  |  December 14, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    “Methinks you need a few refresher lessons from GLSEN?”

    lol

  • 90. Dead Rabbit  |  December 14, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee! I’m President Naivete and I’m letting the Middle East spin out of controooooooooooooooooollllllllllllllllllllll!

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6955351.ece

  • 91. Tex Taylor  |  December 14, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    I heard that Obama gives himself an A- for a grade so far? What an megalomaniac. Good Lord, this tragedy of a man is completely deluded.

    ————————

    So you guys think if I laid the TVs and monitor stuff out on the curb, somebody would take it? I guess there is some truth then about one’s man’s junk is another man’s treasure. Reminds me of a funny story about “taking” stuff from the curb.

    A few years ago, before I switched back to a gas weed whacker, I had this electric one that somehow Tex the Barbarian almost broke in half. For all I remember, I got mad at and slammed it against something.

    Anyway, I throw this thing out to the curb, walk out later that evening and there’s this strange man with this grown daughter digging through my trash. I see that he’s got the broken weed whacker is his back seat. He get’s real apologetic and sheepishly swears he is not a thief – just a “collector”. I said, “you collect broken weed whackers?”

    I told him it was my pleasure to for my whacker to be added to his collection. You’d have thought I had caught him stealing my car by his initial reaction.

    I would keep the TVs Rutherford, but I’ve got so many junk electronic thingies, I have run out of room on the back patio. I went wild this weekend without so much as a job or hope of employment (um, actually I haven’t typed a resume) and bought a 50″ flat screen, stand and mount, Blue Ray, and other assorted crap so I can stream from NetFlix. Bargained like an Arab trader while doing so. I think my wife bought it for me just so I would have something to figure out and stay out of her hair. I don’t even know where I am going to put this thing without moving large furniture. It’s the size of refrigerator box – I kid you not. Our little house is starting to look some hoarder lives here and I can’t tell you how much stuff I have given away to family and friends.

    Truly one of the stupidest things I’ve ever purchased (next to the Jet Skis that collect dust), but at least I’ll use this – if I an figure out where to park it.

  • 92. Dead Rabbit  |  December 14, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    Damn…..50 inch high def?

    That’s awesome.

    My Dad got a great deal on a 32 inch flat screen and bought it for old Rabbit for his birthday. High definition. I was stunned!

    I love watching Saturday night boxing on it for some reason. The deplorable status of the sport right now almost makes it more interesting to me.

    As far as electric weed whackers, they are like the game of ping pong, they bring the worst out of everybody.

    But, yeah, I’m not kidding you. They would be fighting over that stuff if it was out on my curb.

    I’m always stunned what they take.

    Anything electronic, mechanical or made out of metal. It’s gone.

  • 93. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 14, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    Let’s assume for the sake of argument (a premise with which I don’t agree) that Sensico’s debating skills are wanting. One would think, as responsible adults, you’d comment on HER blog and see if you could get her to rise to the challenge … actually give her some practice in debate. Instead, like little skirt-wearing gossips, you come back here to dis her where she will be less likely to see your comments.

    What debate skills are you referring to? She comes here, where she doesn’t debate, she simply drops a bomb and leaves, and if pushed, refuses to defend what she says.

    How am I supposed to take it seriously, and why, in the name of all that is holy, should I be expected to wade eyeball deep in to the Sea of Stupid™ at her place, and try to get her to rise to a challenge when she tossed the gauntlet by making the comment here?

    Hell, I seem to recall some of you have kids her age in college right now. C’mon guys, grow the f*ck up.

    Hint time: “Kids” in college are adults. Too often they are naive, inexperienced, and not well suited to the rigors of adulthood, but that doesn’t exempt them from the rules that other adults are held to…like showing your work, and defending your beliefs when challenged. C’mon R, quit coddling her. It isn’t doing her any favors.

  • 94. Tex Taylor  |  December 14, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    D.R.,

    Yeah, I finally broke down and went with a biggie. Hasn’t even been removed from the monstrous container yet, but the box is cool as hell. This salesman was talking in lingo that I had never heard. Like my dad used to do with me when I would talk tech, I shook my head like I understood.

    I had bought a couple of flat screens for our bedroom, but they are the small ones, so I thought what the heck, “you’re starting to look like a little old man, might as well act like one.” Momma takes me out to spend $600, so I spent $1,600. My wife is great – she didn’t even bat an eye when I told her about the “great” deal I just made. I think my wife wanted some project for me so bad, she would have spent the kid’s college fund just to find something for me to do.

    The crazy thing is, believe it or not , I don’t watch that much TV anymore. A few things on Fox on occasion if the guest is interesting, college sports, and I used to watch the Discovery Channel until it went lib. The movie channels suck, and I don’t pay for the worthless extra pay channels like HBO. If I wanted to watch queers hop around, I could do that on the net for free. :razz:

    I found myself Saturday night watching PBS… :lol: Some Irish music festival. Didn’t even know what it was – just went brain dead and listened to them strum with lyrics I couldn’t understand. If I drank much, I would have looked like the part.

    I can not emphasize since my kids went off to college how damn boring I’ve become – what is worse, I like it that way. I haven’t missed dissecting corpses from Gross Anatomy. That’s for sure.

    More good news – for the first time in 25 years, my wife gets no bonus this year. That generally makes up about 25% of her yearly income. No, she doesn’t work for a bank either.

  • 95. Rutherford  |  December 14, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    Tex, a 50″ HD …. damn that’s just not right! I have a neighbor who had a big honkin’ TV in his living room. I could have been just as entertained watching his TV from my kitchen as watching my own. Hell, I sometimes was tempted to call him on the phone “hey switch to HBO, the Sopranos are on!”

    As for Obama, Tex you Sir need to get a job at WeaselZippers or American Thinker or any one of the other conservative rags because you have already developed a knack for exaggeration.

    “I heard that Obama gives himself an A- for a grade so far? What an megalomaniac.”

    He gave himself a B+. (OK, an A- if health care gets passed this year … but that’s a typical WZ move to distort the actual quote … well done Tex.)

    By the way, I give him a B-.

  • 96. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2009 at 12:01 am

    I used to watch the Discovery Channel until it went lib.

    ROTFLMAO Clue me in Tex …. did they show one too many shows about evolution or global warming?

    Seriously, I would love to hear how what I assume is a science/nature based channel could possibly have gone lib. Or more to the point, what kind of shows did they broadcast in the days before they went lib?

    Sorry to hear about your wife’s bonus. My wife and I were just commenting this morning that back when I was earning a reliable income, my social security deductions would tap out around mid November and as a result I’d get that money back in my paycheck for the last 3 pay periods of the year. Usually paid for Xmas. Those days are gone. My wife asked my brother-in-law tonight “what does you son want for Christmas that’s within my price range?” LOL So much for ho, ho, ho. Was a time when money was no object during the holidays. Oh well.

  • 97. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2009 at 12:09 am

    OMG I missed this gem:

    My claims about GLSEN are from WorldNetDaily – not FOX News.

    Ohhhhh, WorldNetDaily! NOW I’m convinced the story must be true! :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • 98. Tex Taylor  |  December 15, 2009 at 1:35 am

    Rutherford,

    Sometimes you’re so weak, you almost read like Densico, and you know what 80% of your crowd thinks of that train wreck. I think your most current, common posters made that abundantly clear last night. I was just simply showing your assumptions most ignorant as usual. You act is if because the article from World Net Daily, it is therefore untrue, when in reality, it was you that was wrong. You haven’t even admitted that yet. How many sources do you want to show that we’ve got another Van Jones in the mix? The guy is a fag, for the fags, and a candidate about on par with the worst in history. One thing that does surprise me with you having a child; that scum like this you feel worthy to oversee your kid. I’ll be disappointed (truly) with you if you let your bias with politic override your concern about her future.

    Now the comment about the Discovery Channel? :lol: That was to get your attention. But their claims about global warming are now so ludicrous, it does fit the “progressive” equation of comedy when trying to be academically serious. I don’t even need to dispute the issue anymore. As Copenhagen falls apart, the only people left believing it are people already over the edge. I’m not here to convince you of the science. You’ve already bit off on the lie and showed your ass, so there’s no need to rehash the debate. The issue will soon be another dead end – kind of the Cindy Sheehan of science. The evolution stuff, I simply discard as I know most of it pure bunk with a flair for creative graphic design. Yeah, it’s lib but I still enjoy the pictures. Think Star Trek – I can be entertained and still laugh at its message.

    Finally, I didn’t lie about Obama – Butt Head said he passes some scourge of a health care bill, he boasts he gets an ‘A-‘. He deserves an ‘F’ with more than half of America now agreeing Obama is a miserable failure and an even worse human being – complete phony. Hell, we already knew Bomba had an ego the size of Mount Everest, so the pride before the fall will make watching this punk cut to size all the more enjoyable. I’ll enjoy rubbing your nose in it when Bomba becomes a Jimmy Carter memorial.

    Remember when I told you that the lamestream media would be the last to know they were completely irrelevant? Well, here you are still listening to Rachel when “its” ratings are off 40% in six months. I’ll just wait around until the light comes on. :smile:

  • 99. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 15, 2009 at 6:14 am

    I don’t see why grade doesn’t get based on approval ratings. After all, it is the people he is suppose to serve, and their approval or disapproval seems the best metric, no?

    That alone would make him a failure. 44% is an F. He’s never been a B+ President, the closest he came was January 20.

    And yes, I realize that this means that very few Presidents have ever been A presidents, rightfully so as the bar is that high. Presidents get one benefit, their grade is ever changing, so maybe he’ll become a B President someday, when people look back and remeber his adminstration, but at 10.2% unemployment and a 207% increase in federal spending- IN ONE YEAR- I doubt it…

    As to Palin, she’s not President, so yeah, the metric will be a little different. Considering how much energy you guys a putting into targeting her, and how much energy is going into protecting Obama, I do find it humorous that she is gaining and he is falling.

    Just for the record, she’s not my pick for president, but what you are trying to do to her, and what the left has done to her, is absoutely wrong. I’d take Palin over that idiot Biden any day.

  • 100. Tex Taylor  |  December 15, 2009 at 11:21 am

    Obama’s Safe Schools Czar Tied to Lewd Readings for 7th Graders

    Are quotes like this what give Obama an “A-” for a grade card? From the President who won’t show his real grade card a selected text reading in our newly appointed “School Safe” environment: “By first grade I was sexually active with many friends. In fact, a small group of us regularly met in the grammar school lavatory to perform fellatio on one another. A typical week’s schedule would be Aaron and Michael on Monday during lunch; Michael and Johnny on Tuesday after school; Fred and Timmy at noon Wednesday; Aaron and Timmy after school on Thursday. None of us ever got caught, but we never worried about it anyway.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/14/obamas-safe-schools-czar-tied-lewd-readings/

    Of course, I found this one of the FOX FAUX News, so that immediately makes it a joke, right Rutherford? One easily disputed? :roll:

    It would appear that you have yet to refute one charge made by World Net Daily. Ironic is you read Media Matters and use it as a source. Drum roll please…

    Ohhhhh, Media Matters! NOW I’m convinced the story must be false!

  • 101. Tex Taylor  |  December 15, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    Obama’s melon head fairly smacked with the journalistic ball bat (the money quote):

    B-plus? “Delusional” is an understatement.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/DavidLimbaugh/2009/12/15/if_bs_were_fs,_obama_still_wouldnt_deserve_a_b-plus?page=2

    Anybody remember the good, old days when libs like Rutherford were savaging Bush for his “jobless recovery” and the unemployment rate stood at 4.4%?

    Libs are to be laughed at and recognized as born propagandists and liars of the highest degree.

  • 102. Tex Taylor  |  December 15, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    Wrong linky…try this one:

    http://townhall.com/columnists/DavidLimbaugh/2009/12/15/if_bs_were_fs,_obama_still_wouldnt_deserve_a_b-plus

  • 103. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    I’d take Palin over that idiot Biden any day.

    Wow, if this doesn’t show a dangerous turn of mind I don’t know what does. Just about everyone acknowledges that what Biden lacks in presentation he makes up for in substance. He is very knowledgeable in foreign affairs. He knows the ways of Washington thanks to years and years of experience (the Obama-has-no-experience argument cannot be applied to Joe). The man is verbose and chooses his words poorly.

    Palin cannot identify what she reads (because she doesn’t), cannot define the Bush doctrine (because she doesn’t know what it is), takes the low road whenever possible (“Obama pals around with terrorists”), has written a book full of outright lies, and has been dismissed by any number of right wing pundits (Kathleen Parker, David Brooks, Peggy Noonan, etc.)

    Seriously G, your support of Palin vs anyone else on the political landscape right now is really embarrassing.

    As for your popularity polls should decide the grade idea, well you already know that’s intellectually bankrupt. Most wars are unpopular and a President supporting a war will likely suffer in the polls yet one cannot deny that some wars are historically worth fighting and those Presidents will be vindicated by history. I’m not making that claim about Obama or Afghanistan specifically, I’m just saying this fact blows your thesis out of the water.

  • 104. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 15, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    What? Have you ever examined Biden’s track record on foreign policy? He’s been wrong on more foreign policy issues that any single politician in Washington. The man’s a complete moron.

    “MORTON KONDRAKE: Look, Obama was absolutely right. He is warm, he’s cuddly. There is no more well-intentioned or friendly man in Washington. He is among the most pleasant people around. But I say little prayers every day for the health of Barack Obama, who is a lot more intelligent than Joe Biden, who would succeed him if anything happened to Obama, who is more flexible ideologically. I mean, for all the time that Joe Biden was in the Senate, he was wrong about practically every foreign policy issue that there was. And at least Obama knows how to reverse field when he has to.”

    Fine, tell us what the Bush Doctrine is.

    Whiel you’re at it, tell us what you read too, in the general manner that it was asked.

    Who was Bill Ayers? You do realize that it is likely Bill Ayers who actually shadow wrote Obama’s books, right?

    Have you read her book? What are the lies in it?

    And whose popularity is ever increasing. Brooks a conservative? Uh, ok.

    Versus anyone else? I specifically compared Palin and Biden, not anyone else…

    Oh, for the love of God. You think Obama’s polls are down because of the wars? You’re delusional! His polls suck because of the economy, unemployment, healthcare, cap & trade and his global apology tour. The only thing that the wars have done is solidify the belief held by most that he doesn’t really care.

    And my thesis said that Presidential grades are ever evolving, so I already said that if things work out, he’ll get credit for it. Of course, if they don’t work out, he’ll get the blame too.

  • 105. Tex Taylor  |  December 15, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    Just about everyone acknowledges that what Biden lacks in presentation he makes up for in substance. He is very knowledgeable in foreign affairs. He knows the ways of Washington thanks to years and years of experience (the Obama-has-no-experience argument cannot be applied to Joe).

    Rutherford, this may work in the circles of libbie land like MSNBC, but 80% of America knows that statement is complete baloney. Even your prophet Obama knows better now. Hell, they’ve hidden Joe Biden in the closet with the Crazy Aunt.

    That ranks with your testimony to blacks not being able to be racist because they don’t hold power – or whatever that spiel you tried to lay on us for a while before Rabbit shot you down.

  • 106. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 15, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    has written a book full of outright lies, and has been dismissed by any number of right wing pundits (Kathleen Parker, David Brooks, Peggy Noonan, etc.)

    R, can you even tell us what she talks about in the majority of the book? How many pages of it on which she actually discusses politics? Maybe a quick turn through the index will help you to figure it out.

    As for your “right wing pundits”…and I’ve pwned this canard before, you aren’t conservative because the left refers to you as such, or because you give yourself the appellation. The three you name are as about as conservative as St. Andi of the Power Glutes and Milky Loads a/k/a Andrew Sullivan….that is to say not conservative at all.

    You don’t even want me to get started on Biden’s “foreign policy expertise.” First of all, I don’t think I can type that again without experiencing oxygen deprivation because of the uncontrollable laughter.

  • 107. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    That ranks with your testimony to blacks not being able to be racist because they don’t hold power – or whatever that spiel you tried to lay on us for a while before Rabbit shot you down.

    Nice try but Rabbit did nothing of the kind. Because of the great progress made by blacks, even within the past 20 years, the equation:

    racism = prejudice + power

    lacks some of the oomph it once had. But as a rhetorical argument it is still helpful in understanding the difference between having prejudice or hatred against a group vs being able to do something about it. The prejudice of the oppressor fuels the oppression while the prejudice against the oppressor is fueled by the oppression.

    I’ll give you some time to let that sink in while I smack G a bit in the next comment. :-)

  • 108. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    G, I would have trouble telling Katie Couric what I read for the same damn reason that Sarah had trouble doing it. My answer would be “TV Guide” and I’d be laughed at so hard my chances of being VP would evaporate instantly. Fortunately I was not running for VP, Sarah was.

    In the aftermath of the Charlie Gibson interview, pundits agreed that the Bush Doctrine could be interpreted in a couple of different ways. My own definition is “any country that knowingly harbors terrorists is an enemy of the United States”. The fact that it is defined in a couple of different ways made the question just that much easier for Sarah to answer. She couldn’t, could she?

    You pull out the unsubstantiated bullsh*t that Obama’s book was written by Bill Ayers while I had the restraint not to mention the FACT that Sarah did not write her book. I didn’t mention it because lots of celebrities get help with their books. I don’t hold that against her, per se.

    I have not read Sarah’s book. I’ve heard excerpts as most political junkies have. I don’t need to list the lies. The left wing media you so despise has already done a great job of listing them. Hell, she couldn’t even keep her story straight on Oprah regarding what input her kids had in her decision to run for VP. My guess is that going all the way back to when she was a teenager, she was a pathological liar who learned how to talk herself out of any jam.

    Seriously G, not that it matters, but I truly believe you to be a man of sufficient substance not to carry water for Sarah Palin. To say she is popular … I cannot argue with that. Lots of people adore her. To say she is a serious candidate for national office is just plain silly and you know it.

  • 109. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    R, can you even tell us what she talks about in the majority of the book? How many pages of it on which she actually discusses politics? Maybe a quick turn through the index will help you to figure it out.

    ROTFLMAO! BiW was that intended as humor? The book famously has no index!!! LOL

    From what I understand, half the book is about her growing up and half the book is about settling scores from perceived wounds she suffered while running for VP. From what I understand there are virtually no policy statements in the book which really makes me wonder which book Rush Limbaugh read when he declared it the best policy book of recent history. :lol:

  • 110. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 15, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    From what I understand, half the book is about her growing up and half the book is about settling scores from perceived wounds she suffered while running for VP. From what I understand there are virtually no policy statements in the book which really makes me wonder which book Rush Limbaugh read when he declared it the best policy book of recent history.

    So what you ‘know’ isn’t about what you know, its about what you “understand”.

    This is why it is so difficult to have an honst conversation with the left these days. Between the acceptance of what others tell them and the blatant redifinition of terms such as “Racism” and “marriage” to fit the narrative, its like we rarely speak the same language any more. So much easier to talk about the ‘lies” someone has published without having undergone the effort to actually investigate it yourself.

  • 111. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    So much easier to talk about the ‘lies” someone has published without having undergone the effort to actually investigate it yourself.

    Funny you should say that ….. it’s the topic of a post I’m working on.

  • 112. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  December 15, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    So are you going to keep us in suspense, or are you going to share the lies with us?

  • 113. Rutherford  |  December 15, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    If by lies, you’re talking Sarah, here’s a sample:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/13/palins-book-goes-rogue-on_n_357682.html

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-dunn/palins-former-ally-calls_b_363316.html

    and just so you know HuffPo is fair and balanced (ha) here is a Palin defender who doesn’t say she’s telling the truth … just that we shouldn’t obsess over her lying:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-turley/going-rogue-with-fact-che_b_362690.html

  • 114. Tex Taylor  |  December 15, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Do as I say and not as I do, hey Rutherford? :lol: You’ve accused me of being racist. What power do I hold over you? Tell me so I can use it. :lol:

    You criticize me for using various news sources, and then bring us Huffington Post as legitimate, balanced, and trustworthy? Did they have any articles while you were getting your talking points about hoping Cheney is dead, or Bush is a war criminal, or how many kids parents should be allowed to have, or a million Iraqis have been killed the mercenaries in the American military? We it in our best interest to hand the U.N. total sovereignty? Or are they still stuck on Sarah Palin? Any the world is doomed global warming articles? Snail darters or snowy owl articles?

    What a goober you’ve become. And I used to hold so much hope for legitimacy talking to someone from the left – especially a black one.

  • 115. Dead Rabbit  |  December 15, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    I can’t even get myself to read the so called lies. I tried. Got through the first artical.

    They all fucking lie.

    Of course Palin has to deal with the legions of MSM haters snooping in areas other politicians seem to usually get a free pass on (discussions with her kids etc.).

    But, yeah they ALL lie about spending tax payer money and Palin is no different.

    They all lie about their fabricated life stories too. Obama’s World War II narrative along with how and when he met his wife was classic.

    In comparison to other politicians, I think Rutherford’s “gotcha” links are lame.

  • 116. An800lbGorilla  |  December 15, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    Any question, especially one that speaks to doctrine, that can be answered in multiple ways, well, that is rather oxymoronic isn’t it. Doctrine without clear definition? Isn’t that what doctrine is?

    I think, after seeing the phenom without a teleprompter, after watching him make critical error after critical error, I would not be surprised to learn that he didn’t write his books. Of course, nor do I expect him to ever admit it, his ego would prevent such humility…

    Who Wrote Dreams From My Father?
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html

  • 117. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 16, 2009 at 8:20 am

    “We are not going to vote against healthcare in the final analysis, because what we’ll get from the Senate will be better than what we have now,” said Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.). “Rahm told us months ago: Everything can be compromised except our ultimate goal of getting something done. Everything else is negotiable.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-naw-health-senate16-2009dec16,0,7312560.story

    Why are we rushing this again?

  • 118. An 800lb Gorilla  |  December 16, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Author confirms Bill Ayers helped Obama write ‘Dreams’
    New release on president’s marriage verifies work of WND’s Jack Cashill pointing to ex-terrorist’s role

    ——————————————————————————–
    Posted: September 23, 2009
    6:20 pm Eastern

    By Art Moore
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily

    Confirming the literary detective work of WND columnist Jack Cashill prior to the 2008 election, author Christopher Andersen says in a newly released book that former domestic terrorist William Ayers helped Barack Obama write the president’s highly acclaimed memoir “Dreams from My Father.”

    Get “Barack and Michelle: Portrait of an American Marriage” from WND’s Superstore

    Obama’s 1995 book won the 2006 Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album and drew praise from Time magazine, which called it “the best-written memoir ever produced by an American politician.”

    But since July 2008, Cashill has unveiled in nearly two dozen columns, summarized here, his compelling evidence that the unrepentant co-founder of the radical Weather Underground group – dismissed by Obama during the campaign as just “a guy who lives in my neighborhood” – shaped and refined the book with his exceptional writing skill and radical ideas.

    Get “The Audacity of Deceit: Barack Obama’s War on American Values” from WND’s Superstore

    Cashill, who acquired a copy of Andersen’s new book today, told WND the author “lays out the scenario just as I envisioned it.”

    Andersen, in “Barack and Michelle: Portrait of a Marriage,” writes that Obama was faced with a deadline with the Times Books division of Random House to submit his manuscript after already having canceled a contract with Simon & Schuster. Confronted with the threat of a second failure, his wife, Michelle, suggested he seek the help of “his friend and Hyde Park neighbor Bill Ayers.”

    Obama had taped interviews with relatives to flesh out his family history, and those “oral histories, along with a partial manuscript and a truckload of notes, were given to Ayers,” writes Andersen.

    The author quotes a neighbor in the Hyde Park area of Chicago where Obama and Ayers lived, who says of the two, “Everyone knew they were friends and that they worked on various projects together.”

    “It was no secret. Why would it be? People liked them both,” the neighbor said, according to Andersen.

    Andersen also has written “marriage portraits” of George and Laura Bush, Bill and Hillary Clinton, and John and Jackie Kennedy. Among his other books are “Somewhere in Heaven: The Remarkable Love Story of Dana and Christopher Reeve,” “Barbra: The Way She Is,” “Sweet Caroline: Last Child of Camelot” and “After Diana: William, Harry, Charles, and the Royal House of Windsor.”

    Continued at http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=110784

    You can say what you want, but the book, and its author is fairly flattering of Obama.

    Truth hurts…

  • 119. Tex Taylor  |  December 16, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    From their own mouths – the utter failure of liberalism that Rutherford and his toady Densico want to bestow on the rest of America:

    http://www.sfweekly.com/2009-12-16/news/the-worst-run-big-city-in-the-u-s/

    You can see why they still want us around – in the case of collapse, somebody will need to be there to bail them out like Bomba.

    YES WE CAN!

  • 120. Tex Taylor  |  December 16, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    More violence from those teabagging, racist, uber Conservative, Bomba hatin’ OH NO, WAIT!

    http://www.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/World/121609_denmark02_slideshow_604x500.jpg

    What happened to the peaceful, earth loving, enviro friendly wackos from the left? Herding asses…

  • 121. Rutherford  |  December 16, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    Your last two comments Tex make me wonder what you’ve been smoking in front of the big screen TV. ;-)

    You extrapolate San Fransisco to the entire country? Weak. I’m too lazy to do the research but I’m quite sure, in this economy, I could pull up a scorching profile of some GOP run city in current decay.

    As for the photo … color me confused. All I know (from the file name of the photo) is that it is in Denmark. What’s the story behind it? (My apologies if this is big news …. hasn’t crossed my radar yet.)

  • 122. Tex Taylor  |  December 16, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    Why don’t you pull me up that scorching profile of some GOP run city in current decay? I’d be real interested in you finding one. You will note this article, unlike most, isn’t some liberal slam from a conservative blog but the city shakers referencing self.

    But I could have pulled any lib city and shown dismally bad results… this one just happened to be libs admitting as much.

  • 123. Rutherford  |  December 17, 2009 at 12:44 am

    G, I’m going to research the Andersen book. So far I can only find right-wing sources trumpeting this. I haven’t found any source to debunk it yet so I’m still looking. If after some effort, I fail, I will concede the point to you with considerable dismay.

  • 124. An800lbGorilla  |  December 17, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    The guy isn’t some hatchet job writer, he’s a professional biographer who has done folks from all stripes. Furthermore, the book wasn’t written as an attack piece on Obama, it essentially stumbled on this.

    Imagine that, Obama isn’t the great author we thought. I’ve heard Dreams reads very similar to Audacity of Hope, which will of course cast consideral doubt on it as well. But like I said earlier, when he gets away from the teleprompter, he struggles. The guy is the poster child for the Manchurian candidate and I’m beginning to really wonder how many swtrings there are controlling this guy.

  • 125. An800lbGorilla  |  December 17, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    By the by, I’ve no intention of waiting months on your dismay. I’d say that if you can’t really counter the point by year’s end, then you’ve conceded the point.

  • 126. Rutherford  |  December 17, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    If it takes me months, then by all means the point should be conceded to you. From what I understand Andersen is a reasonably respected writer and his book was not a slam on Obama.

    It’s just a shame that this fits so neatly into your Obama narrative.

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