Roman Polanski: A Case of Pure Injustice
September 30, 2009 at 3:07 pm Rutherford 130 comments
No, I’m not about to contradict the article I wrote yesterday concerning Roman Polanski’s deserved punishment. Yet while the case of Polanski illustrates the importance of honoring the philosophical traditions of justice, pure justice as I called it, it also illustrates a justice system gone horribly wrong.
Last night I watched the documentary film “Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired” and if you get beyond the film maker’s attempt to humanize Polanski, what you get is a picture of a dysfunctional judicial system. Let’s get to the plea bargain and the influence of Polanski’s fame later, since it is the most important issue in my mind. First let’s look at why Polanski fled the country.
When Polanski plead to the lesser charge of “unlawful sex with a minor” (what other states call statutory rape), he was then examined by a psychiatrist who declared that he was not an “MDSO” mentally disturbed sex offender. Probation was advised. The judge, a grandstanding egomaniac, not wanting to appear soft on Polanski, “sentenced” him to 90 days at a psychiatric prison for further observation. He engineered the equivalent of a mock proceeding where the defense and prosecuting attorney’s made arguments before the judge, already fully knowing the 90 day deal that had been struck behind closed doors. After Polanski was released having served only 42 days, the judge got nervous and told the defense and prosecuting attorney’s that he wanted Polanski to serve another 48 days and waive his rights to challenge deportation. At this point neither the prosecuting nor defense attorneys trusted the judge anymore. Polanski’s attorney told him the judge could not be trusted to commit to any particular sentence. Uncertain what his fate would be, and distrusting what he viewed as a circus court, Polanski fled the country.
Now I am not defending Polanski’s decision to run. However I am saying that a judge, operating by the seat of his pants as well as outside the law (the judge had no authority in the area of deportation) greatly contributed to a disorderly proceeding. The fascinating thing about the film “Wanted and Desired” is that it shows the defense and prosecution were on the same page regarding the judge’s behavior. Both men didn’t find Polanski’s self imposed exile the least bit surprising.
To blame a rogue judge for the 32 year delay in punishing Polanski does not go far enough. Polanski drugged his victim and even while under the influence the victim said no to Polanski’s advances. As he progressed from one sex act to another, the victim asked him to stop. This is rape, plain and simple. It is not statutory rape. So why did the plea bargain proceed? Oddly there was unanimity of opinion among Polanski’s attorney, the state prosecutor and the victim’s private attorney that the media circus that might result from a trial was not worth the trouble. This is where the real shame of the Polanski trial can be found. To make matters worse, prior to going to psychiatric prison, Polanski was given a 90 stay of sentencing so he could finish working on a film. Could a rape be made any more trivial than that?
Sadly, the injustice that goes on in our criminal justice system is standard operating procedure. Plea bargains are used all the time to stem the flood of cases going to trial. Perhaps some consolation can be found in the cases of Phil Specter and OJ Simpson, the latter of whom got away with murder but was finally incarcerated for another crime (in what I am convinced was an attempt to right the wrong of his earlier acquittal).
Still, too often, media attention and deals with the devil compromise our justice system. Had the legal system worked the way it was supposed to back in 1978, Polanski would have been convicted of the right crime and done the proper time.
Respectfully,
Rutherford
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Elric66 | September 30, 2009 at 3:26 pm
‘What About the War?’: Mark Levin Mocks Obama’s Olympic Crusade
Thuggy is such an easy target
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Elric66 | September 30, 2009 at 3:35 pm
(The Hill)- Senate Finance Committee Democrats rejected a proposed a requirement that immigrants prove their identity with photo identification when signing up for federal healthcare programs.
Finance Committee ranking member Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) said that current law and the healthcare bill under consideration are too lax and leave the door open to illegal immigrants defrauding the government using false or stolen identities to obtain benefits.
Grassley’s amendment was beaten back 10-13 on a party-line vote.
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/senate-dems-vote-down-requirement-for-immigrants-to-show-id-before-receiving-government-health-care.html
These jerkoffs really want to destroy us
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Elric66 | September 30, 2009 at 4:52 pm
So awesome I had to post it twice just so the drones dont miss it
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dead rabbit 2.0 | September 30, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Does anyone here think Obama isn’t getting punked and punked big time from Iran?
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dead rabbit 2.0 | September 30, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Let’s see. What would be in the interest of Iran….Rabbit drum rools……fruitless talks!!!! Ones that stall for time, appease reluctant oil addicted China.
Obama is dropping the ball in a horrific way this fall in foreign policy.
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dead rabbit 2.0 | September 30, 2009 at 6:49 pm
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125432435481852855.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird
what a suprise
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Elric66 | September 30, 2009 at 6:52 pm
DR,
I guess that would depend on Thuggy’s intentions. Do you really think he is that naive to think talking will work with Iran? I belive he knows it wont work and is a willing accomplish in enabling Iran in getting a nuke. After all, who will Iran use it on first? Israel. And given that Thuggy sat in an antisemtic “church” for 20 years, you think he cares?
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dead rabbit 2.0 | September 30, 2009 at 7:08 pm
No, I don’t think he wants a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, despite his Jew hating mentor. I don’t think Obama hates Israel, although he probably has it deeply embedded they are a sort of South Africa.
Obama back stabbed Reverend Wright. That church existed to Obama only for power on the South Side. He pulled his vampire teeth out of that corpse real quick when the blood wasn’t tasty anymore. I think Rutherford would even admit that.
Obama cares about only the perception of Obama, like 99% of politicians from Chicago.
You propose Obama believes in ideas, although nasty ones.
I propose he’s a cowardly nihilist.
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Elric66 | September 30, 2009 at 7:15 pm
“I don’t think Obama hates Israel”
Oh yes he does. I would love to hear that Khalidi tape the LA Times buried.
You know who Thuggy called first when he got in the Oval Office? Abbas. Trust me this guy is an antisemite of the magnitude of Dhimmi carter.
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Tex Taylor | September 30, 2009 at 9:26 pm
D.R.,
I propose he’s a cowardly nihilist and….
Megalomaniac, farce, narcissist, fraud, pussy, and Rutherford’s hero.
What is there not to hate?
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Elric66 | September 30, 2009 at 9:52 pm
“What is there not to hate?”
Cant think of a thing. Well except his dropping poll numbers. That I do like.
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Tex Taylor | September 30, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Cant think of a thing. Well except his dropping poll numbers. That I do like.
Great point! Can’t argue with Elric on that one. Let’s have another round on those poll numbers dropping. If the Republicans screw this next election up, I’ll give up on them.
If they’ll simply keep their mouths shut, I feel a major league ass kickin’ coming. I know even Dimocrats that hate THE BOMBA’s guts now.
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Rutherford | September 30, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Not only would I admit to it … I said it first if you just go back to some prior comment threads.
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Rutherford | September 30, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Now Tex, any hero of mine can’t be that bad!
By the way, were the points that I made in this article simply too obvious? Not a single one of you has commented on topic tonight. Actually, I’d love for BiW to weigh in here since he has actual legal experience and might have some insight into what I claim is a broken legal system,
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Rutherford | October 1, 2009 at 12:01 am
Oh if any of you want a chuckle, go back to the prior thread where our WZ Pimp actually thought I was dumb enough to believe that November had 31 days. Regarding Elric, does the Jethro Tull song “Thick as a Brick” ring a bell?
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Tex Taylor | October 1, 2009 at 6:13 am
Jethro Tull song “Thick as a Brick” ring a bell?
No, but Roman Polanski and looking at Keith Olbermann always do remind me of “Eying Little Girls w/ Bad Intent”.
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dead rabbit 2.0 | October 1, 2009 at 6:23 am
2 blogs in a row on Roman P was probably a bit much….
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Elric66 | October 1, 2009 at 6:52 am
“actually thought I was dumb enough to believe that November had 31 days”
Backtracking already?
“2 blogs in a row on Roman P was probably a bit much…”
And not one on antogovernment muslims.
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Elric66 | October 1, 2009 at 7:01 am
“Not only would I admit to it … I said it first if you just go back to some prior comment threads.”
And I asked why Thuggy felt the need to do it and of course you dodged. Why that particular “church”. He couldnt find one more racist, anti-American and antisemetic?
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Tex Taylor | October 1, 2009 at 7:34 am
Anyone ever noticed that R’s TV heroes are huge cowards? I mean you’ve got the class pain in the ass named Keith Overbite, who never ventures off his own stage. Overbite reminds me of the kid who threw spitballs in class but never ventured to the playground knowing he’d get his ass kicked once there.
Then you’ve got that dike Rachel Madcow who lost 50% of her audience after the last election – completely irrelevant now.
Then we’ve got that sniveling combover Chrissie Mathews of tingling feeling going up his leg when THE BOMBA speaks at one of those pagan festivals (but of course, THE BOMBA is a Christian cough cough).
All three of these Mickey Mouse loons is a long distance bomb thrower and coward. Rutherford, Hippie and Wally Curator can say what they will about Beck, Coulter, Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, but they can’t deny that the flame throwers on the right will go anywhere, anytime to debate.
Katie Couric – check. The View – got it (though why, I have no idea), lib campuses, you bet. Mealy-mouthed CNN, no big deal.
Like I said, if a fight is to break out, I can guarantee these TV libs and college campus freaks will be running for cover like the roaches they are. Once the fists start flying, about the only libs that will be looking for a fight are the ones from the hood. The rest of these coke snorting pussies that watch MSNBC? These maggots will ducking for cover and you won’t hear a thing but whimpering coming from them.
Make damn sure given the opportunity, pull them out of their fraidy holes and shut their mouths for good. Given the chance, I’ll personal put Garafolo in a mummified burka, after I knock her into next week. And Keith Olbermann? We’ll cane that SOB’s bare ass on the public square. I want the first couple of shots.
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Elric66 | October 1, 2009 at 8:09 am
Speaking of Malkin
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Tex Taylor | October 1, 2009 at 8:44 am
Elric,
I don’t get to watch TV anymore. Thanks for providing Michelle’s explanation of how corrupt this whole Olympic swig is. I would like to see Hippie or Rutherford refute any of that line that Malkin just provided and explain to me about how angelic this whole administration is from top to bottom.
You can see why the left like Rutherford and Hippie hate people like Michelle Malkin for exposing the duplicity, hypocrisy, self-serving stench of Bomba and company. Look at the home base of this entire bunch – Chicago has literally devolved into a 3rd world Somalia guided by the “auspices” of Daley.
We literally have corrupt Marxists trying to now administrate the country – any wonder we are beginning to resemble a banana republic, with Obama steering the Rum Runner? I can see Obama in deck shoes.
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Elric66 | October 1, 2009 at 8:53 am
Tex,
I dont watch it either. I get what I can online. And dont hold your breath with the drones actually commenting on it. If Dodger does, it will be some insult towards Malkin. Thats all he can do since thats what they teach at drone university on the art of debating. Insult the messenger and move on.
We need a poll on when Dodger will honestly condemn any of Thuggy’s fascist agendas. When do you think he will?
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Rutherford | October 1, 2009 at 10:05 am
LOL, nice Aqualung reference there. Although I do wonder on what you base the Olbermann accusation.
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Rutherford | October 1, 2009 at 10:06 am
Awww, picky picky.
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hippieprof | October 1, 2009 at 10:44 am
Tex said You can see why the left like Rutherford and Hippie hate people like Michelle Malkin for exposing the duplicity, hypocrisy, self-serving stench of Bomba and company. Look at the home base of this entire bunch – Chicago has literally devolved into a 3rd world Somalia guided by the “auspices” of Daley.
Tex – hate is a really strong word. I reserve it for the likes of Bin Laden and Hitler. Malkin isn’t impor6tant enough for me to waste such strong emotions on…
I am going to blog pimp for a moment and point to a post I just made which discusses the psychology behind why we always seem to view the other side as more radical than our own side. I even compliment you in there, Tex….
http://hippieprofessor.com/2009/10/01/stuck-in-the-middle-with-you-as-long-as-you-agree-with-me/
I am curious what you think.
– hippieprof
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Elric66 | October 1, 2009 at 10:52 am
Obama, Dictators and democrats
How many rogue nations can President Obama hold in one hand?
In his Inaugural Address, President Obama spoke directly to the world’s rogue nations. “[W]e will extend a hand,” he said, “if you are willing to unclench your fist.”
Question: How many rogue nations can you hold in one hand? Let’s try to count
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471504574444890430083018.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | October 1, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Actually, I’d love for BiW to weigh in here since he has actual legal experience and might have some insight into what I claim is a broken legal system,
I’ve been lurking, but very busy this week. Heck, I didn’t even get to return to the thread at the Sunlight Room until this morning, and then I saw my favorite political self-appointed cognoscenti at SALON.com threw me another chew toy this morning that I will probably fisk tonight. As for the broken legal system, yeah, I have a few insights, but I’m not sure you’ll be that enamoured of some of them.
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Elric66 | October 1, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Strategic Drift…Secretary of Defense Gates Not Sure Counter Insurgency Is Right Strategy
http://minx.cc/?post=293057
Now I can see why Dodger loves this guy
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Elric66 | October 1, 2009 at 12:51 pm
ACORN plot found, Oklahoma GOP says
Comments Comment on this article48
Buzz up!
BY MICHAEL MCNUTT
Published: September 30, 2009
A Republican state legislator released documents Tuesday which he says show the community-organizing group ACORN focused on helping Democrats in three legislative races in the November 2008 election and had developed a game plan to “take power” in Oklahoma within five years.
http://www.newsok.com/acorn-plot-found-oklahoma-gop-says/article/3405118
Thuggy trained these brownshirts well.
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Elric66 | October 1, 2009 at 12:53 pm
1,000 People Rally To Save DC’s School Voucher Program . . .
If Michelle Odogma REALLY cared about the kids, she should have been the main speaker at this rally.
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/1000-people-rally-to-save-dcs-school-voucher-program-.html
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Elric66 | October 1, 2009 at 1:25 pm
France leading effort against Iran?
posted at 1:05 pm on October 1, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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How long before the French start calling Americans “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”? All right, I admit it will probably be “cheeseburger-eating,” but the opportunity for payback may exist if Nicolas Sarkozy continues to take the lead in pushing Iran on compliance with the nuclear non-proliferation pact. The Washington Post reports that Sarkozy has become frustrated with a weak American and Western approach and wants more robust action against Tehran:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/01/france-leading-effort-against-iran/
Sad, so friggin sad
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Tex Taylor | October 1, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Hippieprof,
While you write well, I can not agree with your premise. You don’t seem the bad guy – in fact, like Rutherford if we kept our conversation at a high level with the religious or political flavor, we would probably like each other. Both of you have a good sense of humor.
But…and this is the Grand Canyon but:
Your political persuasions stem from something far different than mine – your own are based on a worldly sense of what you perceive as right and wrong.
Everything about me stems from a belief in a higher power and a recognition that without that higher power, everyone’s opinion equal. Where we differ is that I don’t measure my choices as to how I perceive the world. I base my choices on something I perceive as far more relevant.
It may surprise you that I actually have a greater respect for someone or you or Rutherford’s persuasion than I do somebody calling themselves “moderate”. IMHO, that’s like saying you don’t know whether you’re a boy or a girl. Most issues can be well enough defined to the point there is a right and there is a wrong. Better to be hot or cold than luke warm if you get my drift.
Perhaps this helps to explain why I view my points-of-view as superior to your own.
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Elric66 | October 1, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Unreal: U.S. nuke talks with Iran won’t include talk of sanctions
posted at 2:15 am on October 1, 2009 by Patrick Ishmael
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Oh, and pretty please could we please see that secret nuke facility you’ve been hiding? Maybe? No? Because if you don’t, we’ll… we’ll… we’ll be very sad. And you wouldn’t like us when we’re sad.
The United States will not push for sanctions against Iran in Thursday’s multilateral talks on its nuclear program in Geneva and is prepared to talk one-on-one with Iranian negotiations if such engagement appears “useful,” senior administration officials said Wednesday.
The officials also said that while gaining access to inspect Iran’s uranium enrichment facility near Qom is “critically important,” the U.S. won’t walk away from negotiations if Iran refuses.
If we’re not angling to compel compliance even by holding the prospect of sanctions against them, to say nothing of force, and if intransigence on the latest and most worrisome revelation regarding Iran’s nuclear ambitions isn’t enough to compel even the prospect of the U.S. disengaging from the talks, then… what’s the point of this exercise? Optics?
I’m speechless.
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/10/01/unreal-us-nuke-talks-with-iran-wont-include-talk-of-sanctions/
Like I said, Thuggy WANTS a nuclear Iran.
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dead rabbit 2.0 | October 1, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Tex,
I just got a flue shot and pneumonia (spelling?) shot. Every time I get a flue shot, every time, I get a cold. Placebo effect?
Also, what is your view about holding a baby with a cold?
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Tex Taylor | October 1, 2009 at 7:27 pm
D.R.,
Keep out of his face, keep your hands washed. Since the flu and cold are respiratory, there are precautions you can take, but complete prevention? Hard to do…
Besides, there’s a hypothesis called the hygiene theory that holds we aren’t exposing our own children to dirt, germs, etc…like our parents used to. They think this may be explaining why there are more children with illness in the preteen years than there used to be. Our own immune systems are geared to exposure. If he gets a cold, no sweat – we all did. A case of the flu – avoid it, where possible.
How’s little Jr. doing?
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Elric66 | October 1, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Bill Bennett on Obama Trip: For Once He’ll Have to Praise America
I hope Thuggy is up to the challenge
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Elric66 | October 1, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Obama appointee lauded NAMBLA figure
By: Mark Tapscott
Editorial Page Editor
10/01/09 12:40 PM EDT
Kevin Jennings, President Obama’s Assistant Deputy Secretary of the Office of Safe and Drug FreeSchools at the U.S. Department of Education, is in hot water this week for having failed to report that a 15-year-old sophomore student in his school had told him of having sex with an older man.
But failure to report what appeared to be a case of statuatory rape of a child may be the least of Jennings’ worries. Lori Roman of Regular Folks United points to statements by Jennings a decade or more ago when he praised Harry Hay of the North American Association for Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), which promotes the legalization of sexual abuse of young boys by older men.
Roman provides damning details and links here. She also notes that Jennings wrote the forward “to a book called Queering Elementary Education. And another fellow you may have heard of wrote one of the endorsements on the book jacket—Bill Ayers.” Ayers, of course, is the Weather Underground bomber from the 1960s who is just an “acquaintance” of Obama.
Every presidential administration ends up with scandals inspired by controversial appointees, but typically those tend to revolve around financial improprieties, conflicts of interest, or some other form of white-collar misconduct. For Obama, the scandals seem to be develping in a pattern of disclosures revolving around radical left ideology that raises questions about their fitness for any job in government.
And that in turn raises the inevitable question: Is nobody minding the White House personnel store?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obama-appointee-lauded-NAMBLA-figure-63115112.html
Guess it was just a matter of time before pedophile sympathizer made it in the Thuggy politburo
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Tex Taylor | October 1, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Elric is right “R”. This group of Marxist thugs running the show now is the biggest bunch of wimps I have ever witnessed. Your man and his lackeys are pitiful. Cowards who stand the truth, can’t stand the heat…
THE BOMBA IS A WIMP!!!
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Tex Taylor | October 1, 2009 at 11:03 pm
My HTML so rusty, I didn’t notice that botch:
Can’t stand the truth….
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Rutherford | October 1, 2009 at 11:54 pm
BiW, when has your perspective, differing from mine usually, ever stopped me from reading your stuff before?
Seriously, I’d love to hear what you have to say. Despite Rabbit’s boredom with two Polanski posts in a row, I really would like to see at least a couple of on-topic comments in this thread,
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 12:10 am
Tex, I wondered your opinion on the following phenom. Three years ago, I spent 5 weeks in a rehab hospital recovering from respiratory failure. When I was close to release, I was basically told that a lot of the hyper-sterile procedures I used in the hospital could be toned down a notch once home because my body basically is “comfortable” with the home environment, including the germs that come with it. Of course, I’m expressing a laymens version of this idea.
Any thoughts? I do know that while I definitely take care to keep my trach tube clean, I’m not a fanatic about it and I (particularly lately) have been pretty healthy.
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 12:16 am
One problem with the story: in the version I heard, the kid was 16 and the teacher did not report anything because the kid was over the age of consent … i.e. as distasteful as the matter may have been, there was no crime to report.
As for the other allegations (i.e. NAMBLA support), I’ll see if I can find that documented from a reputable source. (Yeah, I know “reputable source” will buy me a comment or two.)
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 12:40 am
Elric, I want to give you a gift of sorts. Since on September 25, I celebrated (actually I forgot to celebrate) the 2nd anniversary of this blog, I was just taking a walk down memory lane when I stumbled upon this item from December 4, 2007:
Religious Tolerance Gone Berserk
So you see, when not presented with a Muslim-obsessed person such as yourself, I can be rationally critical of Islam.
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Tex Taylor | October 2, 2009 at 12:40 am
“R”,
Just a guess, but I think what the hospital was telling you without directly telling you was that you were going to a “MUCH” cleaner environment. Hospitals are notorious for exposure to every germ known to man. Some of them you may have heard of like C. Diff and MRSA. MRSA is the antibiotic resistant staph that is now basically without cure.
I am guessing that what they told you was basically true, if for no other reason that your exposure to something dreadful at home small compared to the rehab environment.
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 12:45 am
Tex, yeah you’re right on the money there. Oh and speaking of C. Diff … yeah that was a gift they gave me that kept on giving.
Daily pro-biotics keep me more or less normal but I was advised it was essentially incurable and could relapse at any time. The part that pissed me off was how totally unapologetic they were about it. Basically said, “oh yeah, everyone here gets that”.
With that said, I do want to go on record that that rehab hospital gave me my life back. If I had gone straight from ICU to home, I would have been worthless.
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An 800lb Gorilla | October 2, 2009 at 5:11 am
I haven’t seen it mentioned, though I’ve been pretty busy of late, but what about the Congressman from Florida, Dem, who made the comment that the GOP wants sick people to die quickly. How exactly do you feel about that R?
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An 800lb Gorilla | October 2, 2009 at 5:53 am
Really? Someone needs a serious introduction into what sacrificing is. A trip to Coppenhagen hardly qualifies…
Michelle Obama: It’s a ‘sacrifice’ to travel to Europe to pitch for the Olympics. But I’m doing it for the kids.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Michelle-Obama-Its-a-sacrifice-to-travel-to-Europe-to-pitch-for-the-Olympics–For-Oprah-and-the-president-too–But-were-doing-it-for-the-kids-62928957.html
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 6:05 am
“So you see, when not presented with a Muslim-obsessed person such as yourself, I can be rationally critical of Islam.”
Really? You didnt mention islam once in the post.
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An 800lb Gorilla | October 2, 2009 at 6:07 am
Since it doesn’t really matter what topic you post to on this thread, I’ll simply do it here (R, hint hint).
Dems have repeatedly lied about their efforts at bipartisanship WRT healthcare reform. The GOP has consistently and repeatedly been excluded from the process- by both the executive and legislative leadership.
Claims that the GOP hasn’t contributed anything is ludicrous, and frankly quite dishonest. In fact, the GOP introduced legislation before the dems on this. Paul Ryan introduced H.R. 2520 Paitents Choice Act in May of this year. H.R. 3200 America’s Affordable Health Choices Act wasn’t introduced till July. Pelosi has prevented H.R. 2520 from getting any traction because it was written by a Republican and it doesn’t expand the reach of government into every living persons personal space.
Sp please, don’t lecture us on what we bring to the table, because you’ve shown your cards that it doesn’t matter what we bring. In fact, you don’t even let us come in the first place. You can’t lock us out and then bemoan our absense, nor can you claim a lack of effort or contribution when we did it first.
It is things like this that is causing the Dems to lose popular support at record levels.
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An 800lb Gorilla | October 2, 2009 at 6:10 am
Forgot to link a powerpoint on this…
http://www.house.gov/ryan/PCA/
http://www.house.gov/ryan/issuepapers/healthcareissuepaper.html
And the bill itself…
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h2520ih.txt.pdf
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 6:12 am
Even Big Bird knows Thuggy is a socialist and questions Thuggy’s citizenship.
http://www.breitbart.tv/big-bird-turns-birther-during-michelle-obama%E2%80%99s-visit-to-sesame-street/
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 6:14 am
“Sp please, don’t lecture us on what we bring to the table, because you’ve shown your cards that it doesn’t matter what we bring”
Now you are finally learning what Dodger is all about
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 6:24 am
Karma
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/01/letterman-blackmailed-into-admitting-sex-with-staffers/comment-page-1/#comments
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Tex Taylor | October 2, 2009 at 7:31 am
Standard fare scumbag is Letterman. No sympathy whatsoever…
He’s another rancid TV deviant whom the world will be better off when he is put to pasture.
But in the world of libbiedom, this is something to be applauded.
And hopefully Sarah Palin will keep her mouth shut and not stoop to VettedMan’s level. I don’t think she will, once again proving Rutherford wrong about character.
P.S. – Rutherford, sorry about the C. Diff.
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hippieprof | October 2, 2009 at 8:46 am
Tex said…. It may surprise you that I actually have a greater respect for someone or you or Rutherford’s persuasion than I do somebody calling themselves “moderate”. IMHO, that’s like saying you don’t know whether you’re a boy or a girl. Most issues can be well enough defined to the point there is a right and there is a wrong. Better to be hot or cold than luke warm if you get my drift.
Well, at risk of losing some respect….
I am not sure I agree with you. I hold a number of what I consider to be principled moderate positions, and I don’t think they are the easy out. In fact, sometimes having a moderate position means fighting both sides.
Some examples:
– I am liberal but I am not a socialist – in fact I think socialism is a terrible idea that has failed every time it is tried. I think government needs to have a larger role than it sometimes does, and I think markets need some regulation – but that is a far cry from socialism. I consider this a moderate position.
– I am likewise moderate on abortion. I really don’t like the concept of “abortion on demand with no restrictions, nor do I like “abortion as a lifestyle choice.” I also see problems with making it absolutely illegal. As I mentioned in the past, setting the point of viability as the legal cutoff point for abortion makes a lot of sense to me. Again, I think that is a moderate opinion – and it is one that puts me in opposition to both sides – so it is hardly an easy opinion.
– hp
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Tex Taylor | October 2, 2009 at 9:12 am
Hippieprof,
You consider yourself a moderate because you recognize the superiority of capitalism when compared to socialism? The fact that you would even make the analogy thinking it necessary once again demonstrates to me that college campuses are overrun with people I find clinically insane, as if simply obtaining a PHD an indicator of great wisdom.
In addition, the fact that you don’t “like” the concept of 1.1MM abortions a year an indicator of a moderate position is the biggest cop out I invariably hear from the pro-choice crowd. I would wager a large sum of money neither do you a damn thing to prevent it, nor would you in front of your equally liberal colleagues speak of making any portion of it illegal. I do often “ponder” how people find an aversion to infanticide a noble thing, quickly followed by “but it’s between a woman, her doctor, and some nebulous sounding god.”
Here is my textbook definition of a moderate. Willing to tolerate about anything as long as it doesn’t detrimentally impact him or her or require any personal sacrifice. Stay away from my checkbook, I don’t care what you do to others including their wages, and live and let live. It’s the most shallow of positions to hold in my book.
But you are right about one thing – I’m quickly losing some semblance of respect – professional, or otherwise. You’re a rather large number in a long list of tools “educating” our children at those bastions of “intellectual freedom,” as long as your social positions skewed to the left called higher education.
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 9:30 am
Washington, DC — A new Pew Research Center poll released today shows support for legal abortions has dropped 11 percent from 2008-2009. The poll joins a handful of others from earlier this year confirming there is a growing shift towards the pro-life perspective, perhaps exacerbated by President Barack Obama’s pro-abortion record.
The findings by the nonpartisan Pew center show Americans taking a pro-abortion position by a 54-40 percentage point margin in 2007 and 2008.
Now, two surveys of 5,500 adults found 47 percent support legal abortions with 44 percent opposed.
The old 14 percent advantage for the pro-abortion side has dropped to three percent — very near the margin of error.
“Now … there have been modest increases in the numbers who favor reducing abortions or making them harder to obtain,” the polling firm said. “The pattern of changes suggests that the election of a pro-choice Democrat for president may be a contributing factor.”
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/new-pew-poll-shows-abortion-support-dropping-11-percent-citing-obama-as-reason.html
I guess when Thuggy supports infanticide, it can turn even a libs stomach.
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 9:35 am
Tex,
Palin wont stoop to Letterman’s level. Im sure she is enjoying his humiliation though like we all are.
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 9:47 am
Video: Obama addresses IOC, promises to restore diversity to America or something
Transcript here. This part’s my favorite, combining The One’s “I contain multitudes” compulsion for self-reference with the distinct whiff of a teenager’s “What the Olympics Means to Me” homework assignment:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/02/video-obama-makes-his-pitch-to-the-olympic-committee/
I really hope Rio gets it.
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 9:49 am
Dems Reject 5 Year Wait for Immigrant Health Care– La Raza Agrees
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/10/dems-reject-5-year-wait-for-immigrant.html
La Raza aka “The Race”
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sensico | October 2, 2009 at 10:26 am
I have to admit I’m not into this topic the second go round R. So I’ll resort to link posting,
Palin’s lectures ain’t selling
Former Alaska Gov. and Vice Presidential wannabe Sarah Palin thinks what she has to say is so important that people should be willing to pay up to $100,000 to hear her speak.
But no line is forming to book her.
The New York Post reports that Palin’s lecture schedule of empty because some places are afraid to book her and others consider her a “blithering idiot.”
And the publisher who paid her a $7 million advance for her book is wondering how much it will lose on the gamble.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/19923
whaaaa, no one wants to listen to rightwing hypocrisy and extremism.
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Tex Taylor | October 2, 2009 at 10:39 am
Sensico,
Since you are the resident prodigy in financial matters, economic matters, political matters, spiritual matters, curriculum matters, and the known universe, I was wondering if you would like to make some easy money?
How about you bet “old” Tex on the success of the Palin book sales?
You game for something a little more valued than opinion?
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sensico | October 2, 2009 at 10:46 am
Uh, yeah Palin book sales will be a success, I’d never argue against that. Hearing her giving speeches about her rightwing extremist ideas is extremely different from reading a book about her life and controversies.
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 10:56 am
Tex,
Its so funny. Drones like Densico rant about “right wing extremism” but never can define it.
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 11:04 am
Are you being difficult or do you lack inference skills? The article was about a woman incarcerated for letting her class name a teddy bear Muhammed. You think it was Baptists that threw her in jail?
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Tex Taylor | October 2, 2009 at 11:07 am
Sensico,
Child prodigy, you just told us this…
So I guess in your incredible genius what you are telling us is that nobody wants to listen to hypocrisy and extremism, but they are willing to read about it?
Did I get that right?
Okay!
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Tex Taylor | October 2, 2009 at 11:09 am
You know P.T. Sensico extraordinaire…
I think you’re really on to something.
With people willing to pay good money to read the hypocrisy and bluster, but not willing to listen to it for free, I guess there is a sucker born every minute, hey?
You’re simply amazing!
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 11:10 am
LOL on the Big Bird clip. Sadly, I think Elric sees it as more than just a joke.
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 11:11 am
“Are you being difficult or do you lack inference skills? The article was about a woman incarcerated for letting her class name a teddy bear Muhammed. You think it was Baptists that threw her in jail?”
You avoided using the word “islam” once like a good little Dhimmi
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 11:12 am
“LOL on the Big Bird clip. Sadly, I think Elric sees it as more than just a joke.”
Big Bird doesnt lie.
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sensico | October 2, 2009 at 11:19 am
I think common sense will tell anyone that a book about someone’s life is different then giving a political speech. I think even those that hate palin will want to read what she thought about the campaign. I was referring to her bashing America and giving awkward foreign policy speeches.
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 11:20 am
“Karma” says Elric. I wondered how long it would take for one of you to post the Letterman story. You know what I like? I like the fact that when this scumbag tried to extort Letterman, Letterman said essentially reputation be damned you’re not getting a dime out of me. Letterman has joked about enough politicians to know that the cover up is always worse than the crime.
I don’t defend the behavior that got him into this mess but I think faced with several alternatives on how to handle the blackmail, he picked the right one.
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sensico | October 2, 2009 at 11:21 am
btw, I’m never sucker enough to buy her book, I’ll just wait for other suckers to dissect it apart.
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 11:23 am
“I wondered how long it would take for one of you to post the Letterman story.”
About as long as it would take you to rant about some story about Sarah Palin or Michele Bachman? Or about as fast as you jumping the gun on a guy being killed in Kentucky so you can blame it on Conservatives? That about right Dodger?
BTW You doing that antigovernment muslim story next?
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 11:24 am
Sarah will probably say nothing since to find out about this scandal she’d have to actually read a newspaper first.
P.S. Tex, thanks for the condolences on the C.Diff. Not a big impact right now but just one more nuisance to have to think about.
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 11:26 am
“Sarah will probably say nothing since to find out about this scandal she’d have to actually read a newspaper first.”
Really? I didnt have to read a newspaper to find out. You need to try much harder if you are attempting to hurl insults at private citizens.
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 11:27 am
Finance Committee Dem Says He Won’t Read ObamaCare Bill Because “it’s one of the Most Confusing Things I’ve Read in my Life,” Calls it “Gibberish” and “Arcane”….
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/finance-committee-dem-says-he-wont-read-obamacare-bill-because-its-one-of-the-most-confusing-things-.html
But hey, lets run with it anyway. Who really cares what it says, right?
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 11:33 am
And with this one comment Tex you have revealed the problem with so many far right voices. You cannot dismiss socialism until you consider its merits. That is true of virtually everything. An issue or concept dismissed before being examined is the mark of ignorance.
HP has come to the conclusion that socialism doesn’t work, not by some knee jerk reaction or blind allegiance to how WE do things. He has come to that conclusion through examination. That’s what honest intellectuals do and that is what they are supposed to teach others to do behind the ivy covered walls. Unlike the first 12 years of American schooling, the four years of college should train students to be critical thinkers, not knee jerk reactionaries.
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 11:35 am
Like many conservatives you would rather see Obama fail than America succeed. Really pathetic.
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 11:36 am
Breaking: Chicago eliminated from Olympics voting — in first round
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/02/breaking-chicago-eliminated-from-olympics-voting-in-first-round/
LMAO!!!!! Best news in quite awhile. So much for the Thuggy, Michelle and Oprah charm tour. What a waste of those carbon footprints. LMAO.
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 11:38 am
“Like many conservatives you would rather see Obama fail than America succeed.”
I dont want to see his corrupt cronies in Chicago rewarded. LOL And I thought the world would love us if Thuggy was elected. Bahahhahahaha
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 11:40 am
Michelle failed the children LOL
What will Valerie Jarret do with all her slums now??
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 11:43 am
Actually, I didn’t “avoid” anything. I was not, and am not so obsessed with Islam having a monopoly on destructive rhetoric that I was able to write an article suggesting that ALL religions should come together and denounce the nuttier aspects of their creeds.
I don’t get a hard on from writing Mo-bomb-ed every chance I get. If folks didn’t know what religion was the focus of that piece, I can’t help them.
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 11:48 am
“Actually, I didn’t “avoid” anything. I was not, and am not so obsessed with Islam having a monopoly on destructive rhetoric that I was able to write an article suggesting that ALL religions should come together and denounce the nuttier aspects of their creeds.”
More like that you have such a multicultural outlook that you cant possible grasp that the “nuttier aspects” of their creed actually represent the true aspect of islam.
Also interesting that you had to go 2 years back to find a post that remotely talked about islam in any significant way. But your last 2 posts are about Roman Polanski.
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 11:49 am
Actually, Sensico, this may become a debate within the Lawson household. My wife, who despises Palin more than I wants to buy the book for entertainment value. I want her to wait to get it through PaperbackBookSwap because I don’t want a dime of my money going into Palin’s Gucci purse. We’ll see how that resolves.
By the way did you notice how the altruistic American who wants her message to help as many Joe Blow’s as possible nixed an e-book version because it won’t maximize her profits? I wouldn’t hold my breath for an audio-book version either since that would involve her having to read the book aloud. LOL
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 11:49 am
Barak Hussein Obama lost the Olympics
Mmmmmmm Mmmmmm Mmmmm
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 11:52 am
I gotta tell ya, Sarah has got to be one of the most public private citizens on the face of the Earth. Letterman is a private citizen too, Doesn’t stop you from hurling insults at him does it?
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 11:57 am
“Doesn’t stop you from hurling insults at him does it?”
When he uses his national TV show to hurl insults at private citizens that dont, well then yeah he is fair game. Someone whose job is to take cheap shots at people from all walks of life is fair game. But a moron like you cant grasp the difference because of your obsession with Palin.
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hippieprof | October 2, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Tex said: You consider yourself a moderate because you recognize the superiority of capitalism when compared to socialism? The fact that you would even make the analogy thinking it necessary once again demonstrates to me that college campuses are overrun with people I find clinically insane, as if simply obtaining a PHD an indicator of great wisdom.
You know, Tex, I really can’t win here…
I never brought socialism up in the first place. I have been accused of being a socialist many times – in this forum and elsewhere. You people (led by Elric) started calling me a socialist before I ever said anything about economics. You just assumed I was a socialist based on my screen name and based on my profession and based on some unrelated liberal beliefs.
I am of course not a socialist, and have demonstrated that many times in what I have written here. But – hey -you guys wanted to call me that – you were the one who invited the comparison….
Now – in my most recent note I point out that I am more “moderate” that socialists and BAM – you slam me for even making the comparison – and generalize the slam to higher education as well.
You were the ones who made the comparison in the first place, and now you slam me as a radical because I thought to defend myself against it?
Sheesh….
– hp
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Thuggy couldnt even make it through the 1st round.
Mmmmm Mmmmmm Mmmmmm
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Well Professor you’ve finally learned the hard lesson of the RL Blog. There is no “winning” with most of these guys because they are so rooted in ideology that, as I’ve said before, the debate exercises the brain cells but is otherwise futile.
This sentence fragment nearly made me fall of my chair with laughter. I kinda picture a bunch of lemmings on their way off the cliff with Elric at the head of the line.
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Maybe the next thread can be “Thuggy: Olympic Failure”
Mmmmmm Mmmmmm Mmmmmmm
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Gorilla, I got a major kick out of Alan Grayson of Florida. After any number of Republican representatives and senators have made the most ridiculous claims, we finally have a Dem who speaks in the same hyperbolic language. I call it fighting fire with fire and I applaud it with every fiber of my being!
By the way, and I know this will get me flamed big time … much has been made about Grayson’s use of the word holocaust. Guess what folks? Jews don’t own the word holocaust (with a lower case h), they own the word Holocaust with a capital H. When folks talk about The Holocaust they are referring to the mass slaughter of Jews during WWII. When we talk about a holocaust, we are talking about any mass destruction resulting in overwhelming loss of life, It was in that context that Grayson used the word. Completely legit.
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Actually Elric, I found the Mmmmmm Mmmm Mmm part of the Obama “tribute song” the funniest part. I still think the song is hilarious.
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Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere | October 2, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Maybe the IOC is racist for knocking Chicago out in the first round?
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 1:06 pm
BIW,
Thuggy would have had a chance if he could have brought ACORN along.
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 1:11 pm
“When we talk about a holocaust, we are talking about any mass destruction resulting in overwhelming loss of life, It was in that context that Grayson used the word. Completely legit.”
Seriously, do you actually believe the crap you write?
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 1:42 pm
GENEVA — The U.N. Human Rights Council approved a U.S.-backed resolution Friday deploring attacks on religions while insisting that freedom of expression remains a basic right.
The inaugural resolution sponsored by the U.S. since it joined the council in June broke a long-running deadlock between Western and Islamic countries in the wake of the publication of cartoons depicting the Muslim Prophet Muhammad.
The resolution has no effect in law but provides Muslim countries with moral ammunition the next time they feel central tenets of Islam are being ridiculed by Western politicians or media through “negative racial and religious stereotyping.”
American diplomats say the measure — co-sponsored by Egypt — is part of the Obama administration’s effort to reach out to Muslim countries.
Rest here>>>
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/un-human-rights-council-passes-obamas-resolution-condemning-blasphemy-of-islam.html
Dont want to “offend” muslim’s “sensibilities”.
Interesting that the article mentioned the Mo Toon but failed to mentioned that riots and deaths that followed.
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Tex Taylor | October 2, 2009 at 2:10 pm
I love it that Chicago didn’t get it. I was rooting like hell for anybody but THE BOMBA just so I could gig Rutherford some more about the megalomaniac and farce he voted for, who was going to save the world with ignorant cliches and preaching his inane moral platitudes from the Parthenon. Chicken wings has been exposed. I want the world to disdain BOMBA like most of America is now.
The legend of BOMBA is going by the wayside, as is the asinine and puerile commentary by Densico, the vindictiveness and double standards of the blog owner, Wee Wally Curator’s occupation, and the left’s immoral influence every day. They didn’t get six months into their Hope & Change before a great majority of folks said “SCREW THIS…”
Hippie, I never said you were a socialist. I said you weren’t a moderate – not even close. You’re the politer version of the academic pointy heads that David Horowitz continually exposes – kind of the BOMBA version of higher education. The fact that you find it necessary to mention that when you drop something (socialism) it falls to the floor (as indicated by it invariable dismal failure) was more gibberish.
P.S. – Can anybody believe here that our Hawwvard educated blog owner said we need to evaluate the merits of socialism before we summarily rejected it?
That’s like saying we need to value the merits of driving down the highway the wrong way at 80mph before deciding if we should turn around.
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 2:44 pm
“P.S. – Can anybody believe here that our Hawwvard educated blog owner said we need to evaluate the merits of socialism before we summarily rejected it?”
Actually I can believe it. Dodger is a hard core leftist.
As for Thuggy bombing in the Olympic bid…
Mmmmm Mmmm Mmmmm
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Tex Taylor | October 2, 2009 at 2:49 pm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6859031.ece
Ohhhhhhhh…..that’s damn near as good as sex.
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sensico | October 2, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Well here are my thoughts on the olympics thing…which is essentially they have more to worry about, like their brand, and dare I hint at the word patriotism,
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/conservatives-have-more-to-worry-about-then-obamas-olympic-fail/
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 3:02 pm
First, one thing, socialism, is a good deal harder to analyze than driving the wrong way down a highway at 80 MPH.
With that said, the fact that you had to present the example of driving down the wrong way of a highway at 80 MPH means you’ve thought about it. You had to evaluate its merits:
1) 99% of all cars will be coming down the other way directly at you.
2) At 80 MPH it will be hard for you stop your vehicle and turn around.
3) It’s against the law.
Now the fact that it only took a few seconds to evaluate the merits of the case doesn’t mean no evaluation took place. I submit socialism is sufficiently complex that it should take more than a few seconds to dismiss it.
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Tex Taylor | October 2, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Not to get into the battle of semantics, so let me only say this. I assume you are familiar with the anatomical term “instinct reflex?” Well, that is about how long it took me to judge THE BOMBA as a hoodwinking flimflam. About the same time it would take me to evaluate the merits should I turn around as the Mack Trunk hood is heading down the same lane I am.
However, I don’t even need instinct to evaluate the merits of socialism. When somebody tells me “his lungs are black because he smoked two packs for 50 years”, or “her brains are blown out because she held the gun to her head and pulled the trigger”, I really don’t need to evaluate the merits of IS THIS A GOOD THING?
But you keep going. Because I think we are starting to getting the creep of how you can think the way you do. Please continue…
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dead rabbit 2.0 | October 2, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Dead Rabbit is too sick really write anything.
However, after reading the crap spewed from the blog owner, who only a couple days ago was dramatically lamenting the tone of discourse in this country, hinting that we are all headed toward a violent break down of society, I couldn’t help it.
R now says he loves the latest crazy speak of the week becuase it came from his team.
The difference between the Rabbit and Rutherford? I won’t be pulling on my bitch tits claiming that the latest round of hate speech from the left is cause for me to worry.
A jack ass is a jack ass. And the Rabbit isn’t that big of a pussy that he will stay up all night combing the Associated Press looking for proof that the “Republicans Want You Dead” speech has led to beatings or murders.
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hippieprof | October 2, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Tex said However, I don’t even need instinct to evaluate the merits of socialism. When somebody tells me “his lungs are black because he smoked two packs for 50 years”, or “her brains are blown out because she held the gun to her head and pulled the trigger”, I really don’t need to evaluate the merits of IS THIS A GOOD THING?
Ummmm…. it is always with some reservation that I jump into a conversation where, in the end, I am going to be called an idiot – but here I go…..
You really think that evaluating socialism is no harder than evaluating swallowing one’s gun?
At a very minimum, an honest evaluation of socialism requires:
– An understanding of history and a recognition that it has typically failed in those situations where it has been tried. Additional insight is to be gained by understanding why it failed.
– A deep enough understanding of economic theory to know why independent industries and free markets tend to work better than government controlled systems. It is also helpful to have a deeper understanding, perhaps realizing that entirely free markets with no governmental regulation can produce problems as well.
– An understanding of enough psychology to predict that workers will be unmotivated in a socialistic system – and why they will be unmotivated.
– A recognition that the positive aspects of socialism – things which look so good on paper – fail precisely because of the factors cited above.
I knew at a very young age – certainly before I was 10 – that putting a gun in my mouth and pulling the trigger was a bad idea.
Are you telling me that you had a similarly deep understanding of socialism at that age? If so – man – you were one hell of a prodigy.
– hippieprof
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 4:21 pm
“R now says he loves the latest crazy speak of the week becuase it came from his team.”
Thats because Dodger is a leftist hypocrite. Saying that Thuggy is lying is wrong even when he is lying. But when his side says Republicans want you all dead or wanting to cause a holocaust, well thats ok with the moron.
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Awesome sign
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Now if Thuggy cant even place with the more friendly nations in the IOC, whats makes anyone think Thuggy can convince Iran to give up its nukes? Drones need not comment.
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Tex Taylor | October 2, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Hippieprof,
You know I got to love talking to you when it means I flunk a gross anatomy test Monday on account of it.
Having said that, I am glad that you evaluated all of your list of items to determine that socialism a major blunder. It took me about 3 seconds to evaluate the success rate to know it an abject failure – and only 3 seconds because counting to zero takes me a little longer than it used to. Once short glance was enough for me to say bad idea, like me watching Rutherford ‘evaluate’ and decide if he should turn around as the Mack Truck rolls over him.
It might be an interesting conversation piece as to the “why” socialism has failed. But it only takes a couple of seconds to “recognize, realize, and be absolutely certain” that socialism has failed.
See how easy life can be at making snappy, correct decisions?
So while you, Big “R” and Obama gather statistics and run mathematical models, facilitate a group session to determine socialism’s benefits and merits in implementation of BOMBA’s Marxist philosophy, take a few polls with BOMBA’s finger in the wind, I “KNOW” it would be a bad thing…almost as quickly as I determined that a man who would attend a racist, militant church for 20 years and deny he’d heard a bit of the Wright racist screed was a liar of biblical proportions.
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 4:45 pm
IMF Warns Britain: Start Charging for Socialized Healthcare or Your Country Will go Bankrupt….
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/imf-warns-britain-start-charging-for-your-socialized-healthcare-or-your-country-will-go-bankrupt.html
Here is more proof Tex that socialism just doesnt work.
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hippieprof | October 2, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Just for the fun of it, here is an idea to chew on, Elric: Bush-era policies may have had a lot to do with the failure to get the Olympic bid…
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/02/chicago-olympics-bush/
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Elric66 | October 2, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Prof Bong,
Drones are so predictable. I knew as soon as Thuggy got voted out first, the drones would blame Bush. As predictable as the sun setting in the west. Cant ever hold Thuggy accountable for anything. Always someone else’s fault, usually Booooossshhh.
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Tex Taylor | October 2, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Elric,
Man, this Think Progress group the Hippie Prof is always espousing really is getting hard up, aren’t they?
Hippie, did it ever occur to you that maybe, must maybe Obama or Bush had very little to do with the decision? I thought Obama would have brought world peace by now? Tell that to the Taliban.
Seems to me it is only getting worse. I give you 3-1 odds that before Obama is out of office (let’s hope soon), we’ll have a better chance of a major U.S. city being nuked than Obama ushering in any peace agreement?
Any takers?
When are you going to admit this wanker has failed big time so far? THE BOMBA hasn’t accomplished a damn thing of substance, the economy is continuing to crater, we’re starting to lose a war in Afghanistan, there is more domestic turmoil than Bush ever could have dreamed, race relations are going backward, THE BOMBA improved our relationships with the world so much that Scotland spit in our face and let an international terrorist go home to a warm welcome, the stimulus obviously isn’t working, Russia and China are laughing at our standing with lectures from Putin about the evils of socialism, our debt has quadrupled, etc… etc… etc….
The man is a dismal failure – Think Progress, notwithstanding Hippie – the new messiah is a complete farce, a narcissistic dunce without a teleprompter. This is Jimmah Carter redux man with hyperinflation on the horizon. Hope Rutherford sells the home before interest rates climb to 21%.
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Tex Taylor | October 2, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Republican commentators, however, didn’t hold back, painting the episode as a humiliating rejection of Obama’s claims to have made a sea-change in America’s reputation overseas.
“Hahahahaha. I thought the world would love us more now that Bush was gone. I thought if we whored ourselves out to our enemies, great things would happen. Apparently not,” wrote Eric Erickson at RedState.com.
Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh called it the “worst day of [Obama’s] presidency” and said the president had “wasted his country’s time, and his prestige.”
“Obama demeaned the office of the presidency, going on this sales pitch,” Limbaugh said.
* * * G U F F A W !!! * * *
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh….this is so good. I can hear lib heads imploding as I type.
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hippieprof | October 2, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Tex said…. Man, this Think Progress group the Hippie Prof is always espousing really is getting hard up, aren’t they?
Just using Elric’s technique of throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks….. of course, I would need to be doing it 50 or 60 times a day…..
You go on to….
* * * G U F F A W !!! * * *
So – seriously – you think that this is funny? You are so caught up in your partisanship that you think it is funny when Obama fucks something up?
Yeah – I went there – I do think he fucked this up. He should have had some sense beforehand about how this would have been likely to go and shouldn’t have wasted the political capital if he didn’t know it was going to be a slam dunk.
But seriously – this is funny to you? I didn’t think it funny at all when Bush fucked things up internationally. Is was embarrassing for all of us.
Wait – that is not quite true – I thought the shoe throwing incident was pretty funny….
– hp
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 8:06 pm
My wife and I disagree on this Olympics thing. 20/20 hindsight tells me Obama should have stayed home. Mrs. Lawson points out that every other major contender sent their head of state to plead the case.
All I can say is it is a mole on an elephant’s ass. If we got the games but also got a lousy health care bill, what would it have mattered? We’ve got much bigger fish to fry. Let’s move on.
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Tex Taylor | October 2, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Hippie,
You damn right I think it is funny. Anything issue that blows up in THE BOMBA’s face is excellent in my book. Consider it payback for your years of abhorrent behavior. I don’t say this lightly. THE LEFT CAN KISS MY ASS. Giiven the chance, I’ll leave everyone of you hanging in the wind.
And if somebody happens to bounce a rock off THE BOMBA’s head or spits in his face, I’ll be the one laughing the loudest.
You and your ilk wanted a war Hippie, you got one.
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dead rabbit 2.0 | October 2, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Tex, by the way, the baby is doing great. I keep wanting to tell you that. I’m kind of a bystander, due to the breast feeding thing. I basically hold him and watch baseball and Michigan games until he cries. He likes taking intense shits while giving me eye contact. He gets into walks around the house with me.
The rest of his world revolves around his mother.
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Rutherford | October 2, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Gorilla, all you’ve done is highlighted Republican incompetence.
If HR 2520 was “all that”, why has it taken you until now to bring it up? Why haven’t we heard every Repub talking head on TV singing its praises and mourning its demise?
I’m sorry, all we hear from Repub leadership is “no”. If they’re introducing legislation worth a damn, then it should be on every political talk show … they should be bombarding the airwaves with their concrete contributions and publicly shaming the Dem’s. They’re not doing that. Wonder why?
By the way, here is an interesting side by side comparison of 2520 and 3200. Once you get to the site, select the Paul Ryan proposal and the house tri-committee proposal and then select all the topics below that.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/sidebyside.cfm
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sensico | October 2, 2009 at 8:53 pm
“Ohhhhhhhh…..that’s damn near as good as sex.” ~Tex
I’m sorry, wasn’t going to say anything at first, but no it isn’t! Really?!
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sensico | October 2, 2009 at 8:59 pm
The Bush throwing incident was scary. I mean, sure Bush’s ducking ability was more then stellar and if you watch it over and over again, it remind you of a Ben Stiller movie. But that guy shouldn’t have been able to get a second shoe off. I feel like secret service we fast enough.
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hippieprof | October 2, 2009 at 9:16 pm
I don’t say this lightly. THE LEFT CAN KISS MY ASS. Giiven the chance, I’ll leave everyone of you hanging in the wind.
Careful, Tex – if I am truly as lefty as you think maybe I would like to kiss your ass,,,, and if we want to get all Freudian here, I suspect you might like it too…… sure would explain some of your attitudes…
(see reaction formation)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_formation
– hp
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sensico | October 2, 2009 at 9:41 pm
btw, there’s a new blog post
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Tex Taylor | October 2, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Hippieprof,
That sounds like some mumbo jumbo with a pointy head trying to make a name for himself. Did you pen that?
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Elric66 | October 3, 2009 at 10:32 am
Mark Steyn: Hollywood’s moral compass points away from the vulnerable
Even if Roman Polanski is a “great artist,” so what?
Mark Steyn
Syndicated columnist
As the feminists used to say in simpler times, “What part of ‘No’ don’t you understand?”
Quite a lot, if the reaction to Roman Polanski’s arrest is anything to go by. I didn’t know, for one thing, that, if you decide to plow on regardless, the world’s artists will rise as one to nail their colors to your mast.
Whoopi Goldberg offered a practical defense – that what Polanski did was not “rape-rape,” a distinction she left imprecisely delineated. Which may leave you with the vague impression that this was one of those deals where you’re in a bar, and the gal says to you she’s in 10th grade, and you find out afterward she’s only in seventh. Hey, we’ve all been there, right? But in this particular instance Roman Polanski knew she was 13 years old and, when she declined his entreaties, drugged her with champagne and a Quaalude and then sodomized her. Twice. Which, even on the Whoopi scale, sounds less like rape, or even rape-rape, and more like rape-rape-rape-rape.
But heigh-ho. After pleading guilty, the non-non-rape-rapist skipped to Paris and took up with Nastassja Kinski, who was then 15, which in Polanski years puts her up there with Barbara Bush. He was eventually arrested en route to Zurich to receive a lifetime-achievement award – no, no, not for the girls, for his movies. For three decades, he was, to be boringly legalistic about it, a fugitive from justice – and there’s no statute of limitations on that. But, of course, throughout that time, he was also a “great artist,” which his fellow artists (Woody Allen, Martin Scorsese) and even the French Foreign and Culture Ministers think ought to trump a little long-ago misunderstanding over anal rape. The Berlin Film Festival announced collectively that it was shocked by “the arbitrary treatment of one of the world’s most outstanding film directors,” and defending the outstanding director because he’s an outstanding director quickly became the standard line of defense. Debra Winger denounced the Swiss authorities for their “philistine collusion”: No truly cultured society should be colluding with the “philistines” of American law enforcement. Polanski, explained the producer Harvey Weinstein, “is a man who cares deeply about his art and its place in the world.” And if its place is occasionally in an involuntarily conscripted 13-year old, well, you can’t make a “Hamlet” without breaking a few chicks. France’s Society of Film Directors warned that the arrest of such an important artist “could have disastrous consequences for freedom of expression across the world”.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/polanski-rape-world-2591230-one-roman
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Rutherford | October 3, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Truly great post Elric. thanks for sharing (no sarcasm intended, Steyn is right on the money here).
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Elric66 | October 3, 2009 at 1:27 pm
You should read his book. The man is a great writer and even better thinker.
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Rutherford | October 3, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Sensico I wrote a blog post to that effect back in the day.