My New Hero: House Representative Anthony Weiner

Why do I call Anthony Weiner, Democratic Representative from New York, my new hero? Weiner is the first politician (including Barack Obama) that I have heard make a bold and unambiguous stand on health care reform. He says very simply to extend Medicare to everyone. His interview on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” is a brisk cool breeze blowing through the humid murky summer discussions of this topic. The host, Joe Scarborough is a former Republican Representative from Florida and the lone conservative voice on the otherwise ultra-liberal cable channel.

This video is broken into two parts and is well worth the watch.

Notice when Weiner asks Scarborough what value private insurance brings to the table, Scarborough is speechless.

Notice Weiner’s salient points:

  • What value does the health insurance industry add to the health care “transaction”?
  • When has the health insurance industry ever operated at 4% overhead?
  • Why does the Medicare “CEO” make $250,000.00 compared to the several million made by a private insurance CEO?
  • What would a 50 year old man who was just laid off say if offered Medicare?

How does Scarborough react? He basically says that Weiner’s solution is a government takeover of health care and an interference with free market capitalism.

Baloney! We are confusing financial mechanisms with delivery mechanisms. Health care is about doctors and hospitals providing the best care possible to their patients. No one is suggesting that the government can do that better than private health care providers. No one is suggesting a government takeover of health care. Health care is something that can be shopped for and the free market system is the best way to find the best doctors.

On the other hand, reimbursing people for their health care expenses is not a commodity. It is what should be a simple financial transaction based on using pooled money from member contributed premiums to lower out of pocket cost to patients. There is no skill involved in this financial transaction. There is no special trick that makes one health care insurance provider any better at this than any other. There is no value add. It is a financial transaction that should be executed with the lowest possible overhead, and with no discrimination against the premium payers. Much of the current debate revolves around preserving the health insurance industry. Why? As Weiner says, what value do they add to the transaction?

If you were 50 years old and just laid off and you therefore lost your employer based private health care, wouldn’t you very likely think at some point, “man, I sure wish I could get Medicare.”? Why is it that the very next thing that everyone says after they decry “socialized medicine” is “don’t touch my Medicare”?

Do we expand Medicare in one fell swoop? Of course not. Too much too soon. We phase it in by age. In 2010 extend Medicare to 55 and older. In 2011, 45 and older. In 2012, 35 and older  and so on.

The argument that Medicare is going broke is a diversion. Costs are rising in private insurance as well. The difference is private insurance can always raise rates on a captive customer base. The answer to the argument is you fix Medicare and extend it. You don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Republicans will work to defeat any change in the status quo so why settle on half measures? Let’s enact legislation that is at once simple and bold. Obama needs to take a page from my new hero.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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178 thoughts on “My New Hero: House Representative Anthony Weiner

  1. Thanks for posting the video. I love how Scarborough does this thing where he pauses and questions the question being asked whenever he can’t find an answer.
    I agree that there is an inconsistent message from the White House or at least that’s how it appears to be coming across as. Maybe Weiner needs to be out there more. And another issue that might be fuddling up the health care message is that the White House has to convince Blue Dogs into voting for this thing. Even if the White House stops trying to compromise with the GOP, it’ll still have to compromise with the Blue Dogs which everyday seem to be acting like republicans. Which in a way is healthy for the democrats to have a broad range of voices but it’ll be very hard seeing as how the Blue Dogs come from conservative districts and they have to represent constituents that aren’t supportive of the plan.
    Though, a little part of me tells me that the “acting out” of these Blue Dogs which used to support a public option, they might just be trying to prove they’re a little less liberal then the other democrats.

  2. No, they are in red districts and they know that if they vote for it, they’re the ones who will pay the price in 2010. Pelosi is safe, they’re not, which is why Rahm is trying to get the far left to stop targeting them.

  3. Afghanistan: 60% of women married as children, often at age 9 or 10

    “The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).” — Bukhari 7.62.88

  4. Howard Dean Reveals BO’s Plan To Deceive The Public

    HUH? Dean is saying the way to get the public option in is through the reconciliation procedure which needs only 51 votes in the Senate. What does that have to do with Obama deceiving anybody? Obama’s preference is a bipartisan solution. Dean thinks that is not possible.

  5. Even in Mass they are fed up

    Am I the only one who thinks Griff Jenkins looks like he should be on Saturday Night Live or The Daily Show? LOL :-D

    Hey Barney gave as good as he got. Good for him! Shame you didn’t post the clip where Barney asks a woman what planet she lives on …. oh wait, here it is:

  6. You really are a drone arent you Dodger? You like it when politicians talk down to you and show contempt for you? I know this is a new concept for you but you do know, they work for us, not the other way around, right?

  7. Is he your hero too?

    Massa presents an interesting dilemma. Does a representative reflect the will of his constituents if that will goes against his conscience? This can be a tough call, I think.

    Good thing about America is, if they don’t like his voting record, they can kick him out come next election.

  8. “Does a representative reflect the will of his constituents if that will goes against his conscience?”

    What part of representative do you not understand?

  9. So tell me again drones why we should support Thuggy Care?

    Elric do you suffer from amnesia? You posted that video on another thread …. and I answered you there.

  10. “Elric do you suffer from amnesia? You posted that video on another thread …. and I answered you there.”

    Nope. Just want to emphasize that their intention is to eventually go to a single payer system where you have no choice. Thought you were pro-choice Dodger.

  11. You like it when politicians talk down to you and show contempt for you?

    Actually, I doubt Barney would talk down to me since I am much smarter than a dining room table. LOL LOL LOL :-D :-D

  12. “Actually, I doubt Barney would talk down to me since I am much smarter than a dining room table.”

    You give yourself too much credit. And thats exactly why he wouldnt talk down to you. You are a drone and dont question these people at all.

  13. Rutherford, can you explain to me where in the Constitution Congress is given the authority to legislate their healthcare coup?

    BiW, please don’t go all constitutional on me. I’m no constitutional scholar but I’d wager the constitution gives wide latitude for the government to protect the well-being of its people. When multitudes don’t have health care, that falls under protecting the well being of the citizenry.

  14. “I’m no constitutional scholar but I’d wager the constitution gives wide latitude for the government to protect the well-being of its people.”

    LOL When you find it, let us know.

  15. Axelrod profiting from ObamaCare already?
    posted at 11:36 am on August 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Who says the Obama White House hates profiteers? It just depends on who gets the profit, it seems. Bloomberg reports that the White House has hired a couple of ad firms to push its message on ObamaCare, and just by sheer coincidence, one of them owes Barack Obama’s adviser David Axelrod a whole lot of money. They also employ his son:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/19/axelrod-profiting-from-obamacare-already/

    Most ethical politburo evah!!! Of course drones like Dodger dont care.

  16. White House Organizes Obamacare Rally in Jackson, MI– Bus in SEIU Members From 146 Miles Away

    Astroturf Alert–
    Organizing for America, which is the successor organization to Obama for America, held a pro-Obamacare rally last week in front of U.S. Rep. Mark Schauer’s district office in Jackson, Michigan.
    The Obama Administration and their SEIU supporters bussed in protesters from as far away as Muskegon and Detroit.

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/team-obama-holds-obamacare-rally-in.html

    Was Curator on the bus?????

  17. BiW, please don’t go all constitutional on me. I’m no constitutional scholar but I’d wager the constitution gives wide latitude for the government to protect the well-being of its people. When multitudes don’t have health care, that falls under protecting the well being of the citizenry.

    Don’t wager. Be sure. If we have a “right of privacy”, distilled from Constitutional “penumbras” that says the government has to keep its laws off women’s bodies, from government intrusion in our bedrooms that makes sodomy ok, what allows government to regulate the retention and format of each person’s health care records, and decisions about our care, including the innoccous ‘end of life counseling? Read the Constitution carefully. The authority is not there.

    And Bwarney Frank did not “give as good as he got”. What he did do was fail to answer a constituent’s question by hiding behind mocking condescension. Its time he retired.

  18. Dear President Obama,

    We would like to respectfully request a meeting with you to discuss the impact of the very important healthcare reform legislation and how it will impact the African-American community and other at-risk groups. Many leaders have come to Washington, DC this week in bipartisan support for “Define the Dream” healthcare discussions in the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in search of The Beloved Community.

    Mr. President, in the Beloved Community envisioned by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., equal justice means that young people in the womb are not terminated and the elderly in ill health are not denied care because of their age.

    We are concerned that your current healthcare plan will not serve the needs of those who are most at risk.

    The African American community is severely disproportionately affected by abortion, which would not only be expanded under current healthcare proposals, but also be paid for by taxpayers. Planned Parenthood’s informational branch, The Alan Guttmacher Institute, reports that 37% of all abortions are performed on black women[1], even though blacks constitute roughly 13% of the U.S. population. Abortion has claimed the lives of about one-third of the black community.

    If healthcare reform passes, we have no doubt the number of African American women having abortions will sky rocket. The healthcare bill text needs to clearly exclude abortion from any taxpayer-subsidized or government-mandated benefits. Abortion is not health care.

    People with disabilities, terminal illnesses, and the elderly, all who need special and expensive care, are also at risk of losing accessibly to doctors and having care denied or delayed. There are 49.7 million citizens who live with disabilities. We are concerned that patient care would be made based primarily on cost and that people with disabilities or special health needs will be put on waiting lists, or worse yet, denied potentially life-saving procedures outright. We want to make sure that these citizens will not be delayed or denied healthcare.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/08/national-black-prolife-union-concerned-abortions-would-sky-rocket-if-obamafail-passes-sends-letter-t.html

  19. What he did do was fail to answer a constituent’s question by hiding behind mocking condescension.

    BiW, that he did … that he did indeed. The constituent might as well have asked him, “when the little men from Venus land here next year, will they be covered under Obama’s plan?” That is just how preposterous her question was. And to have the unmitigated stupidity to ask a Jew if he supports a Nazi-like policy goes beyond the pale.

    It’s time that imbeciles were called out publicly as imbeciles. If you are going to have balls to stand up in public and talk nonsense, then you need to be prepared for someone to tell you in public (and on viral YouTube) that you are talking nonsense. This particular woman makes “Katie” from the Arlen Specter town hall look like Einstein.

  20. Oh please, I’m watching the National Black Pro-Life Union on CSPAN right now. They are promoting lies that you typically hear of those whack jobs at the townhall meetings. Then they have some guy mention a program that helped him. Sorry to tell everyone but those programs aren’t available for most Americans.

  21. Oh god, and now the priest just said the plan is “ungodly”. Last time I checked….
    It was ungodly to promote lies and propaganda for your political agenda.

  22. Massa presents an interesting dilemma. Does a representative reflect the will of his constituents if that will goes against his conscience? This can be a tough call, I think.

    Good thing about America is, if they don’t like his voting record, they can kick him out come next election.

    If his constituents have been mislead into believing untrue statements and outright lies about legislation that would instead improve their standard of living and reduce health care cost by getting big insurance out of their pocket books then yes, he has an obligation to vote in the best “interests” of his constituents.

    I think he is correctly understanding the issue and voting for what is in the best interest regardless of the lies that are absorbed as fact by the ignorant and the, selfish, “I got mine, so screw you” crowd.

  23. “If his constituents have been mislead into believing untrue statements and outright lies about legislation that would instead improve their standard of living and reduce health care cost by getting big insurance out of their pocket books.”

    LOL So how is this monstrosity going to be paid for? And how do we know that this isnt a Trojan horse for a single payer system when even Thuggy is on record wanting to go in that direction?

  24. “So what if it is? Anthony Weiner rocks!”

    If you want the government to run your healthcare, move to Cuba. I want options and I am happy with mine. I dont need you or the government screwing me over. And you didnt answer on how the government is going to pay for this monstrosity. Do you know, does anyone know?

  25. Open letter to President Obama: Keep government out of health-care decisions

    Open Letter to President Obama:

    Our daughter has hydrocephalus and this chronic and incurable condition has required 58 surgeries and numerous tests and hospitalizations through out her 22 years. I can speak to the current controversy over “health care reform” with our long experience with American health care and insurance.
    I believe our current health care system, even while riddled with imperfections and purposeful corruption (mostly done by the government), is the absolute best in the world. I would not trade one second of our experience for any other alternative system here, or anywhere else on the planet. And I’d pay again every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars we (and our insurance company, a private company we contracted with by choice) paid to keep our daughter alive. No one ever questioned our choice to do everything possible to save our daughter. We did not have to answer to any bureaucrat why she was less valuable or viable than any other child or debate the merits or costs of countless surgeries for a condition that would certainly require more. When she needed care, she got it immediately, without applying to an office for approval. When we ran out of insurance (at surgery 37), we fought for another way and got it through a group healthcare plan for our business. Which had the advantage of giving our 15 employees health care too…there are silver linings even in the worse situations. We gave up many things for the rest of our family and our future to ensure her health care. But, really, we would do it all again.

    Caring for a chronically ill loved one is expensive, complicated, and life-altering. It takes compromise, hard work, and diligence. Sickness and the dispersal of treatment are not “fair” things. Life isn’t “fair”, Mr. Obama, contrary to your rhetoric encouraging that your plan will be “fair”. “Free” health care for all is not a right or is it realistic. Sorry. Someone had to tell you. Someone will always get a little more and someone will always get a little less. I’ve seen a child die covered by the best insurance his wealthy parents could buy. I also have seen the sick child of an illegal immigrant be cured by a multi-thousand dollar (tax paid) treatment and go back to his country, 2 weeks later. Neither one of those situations is “fair”. Each health situation is unique and specific to the patient and family. Implementing an outrageously expensive, intrusive, and socialized (please don’t deny this…it is what it is and it’s plain to see) government program will not make life or health care “fair”

    The Rest:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/19/open-letter-to-president-obama-keep-government-out-of-health-care-decisions/

  26. o “What value does the health insurance industry add?”

    Catastrophic coverage, duh. What value does the auto insurance industry add to driving? What value does the life insurance industry add to living?

    o If I’m out of work at age 50 I wouldn’t say “no” to Medicare?

    What’s the point? I wouldn’t say “No” to anything at that point, and I’d rather say “Yes” to COBRA coverage under my current plan. Better yet, I’d really say “Yes” to the congressional package.

    o Why does the Medicare CEO make so much less?

    Because he can’t get a job in industry? Because he doesn’t know how to make a profit? Because he obviously can’t control costs of the program?

    o When has the health insurance industry ever operated at 4% overhead?

    Neither has Medicare or Medicaid, as many researchers have pointed out.

  27. LOL So how is this monstrosity going to be paid for?

    Capping the charitable deduction at 28 percent for the very rich (who would otherwise be able to save 35 cents on each dollar they give to charity) is one way to finance healthcare reform. It’s estimated that it would generate $318 over 10 years. Another is to apply a graduated surcharge, or “surtax,” on the very wealthiest Americans. 96% of small business would be unaffected, so too would 98.8% of taxpayers. There is also a plan to tax “gold-plated, Cadillac” insurance policies that only the rich can afford.

  28. Not going to be enough Curator, not nearly enough. Especially with all this other crap Thuggy has thrown and thrown our way. And of course what ever the estimate the cost is, it will be at least 5 times more. Cars for clunkers should give you a clue on how unreliable these morons are. But the real morons are those who have faith in these morons.

  29. No Father in the Home — Obama’s Story
    By Kevin Jackson
    As I have documented in my book The BIG Black Lie, there are certain parallels between my life and the life of Barack Obama. Like Obama, I wasn’t raised by my biological father. Both our mothers remarried when we were young, and for a short time we were raised by our stepfathers. Finally upon the death of our mothers we would both eventually be raised by our grandparents.

    Obama had Dreams from my Father, a man with whom he spent his first two years of life. In his book, Obama paid tribute to the man who abandoned him and his mother, and appears to have vivid memories of his father through stories told of the man by his mother and her parents. Really?

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/no_father_in_the_home_obamas_s.html

  30. Can anybody here believe that a Harvard educated man can’t grasp the simple concept of Medicare growing broke, with it nine times more expensive than originally estimated, then wanting to expand it some more, not see why I think Liberalism a mental disease?

    This would be an exercise in humor if the calamity that followed only affected those living in Oz.

    I can’t think of a better example explaining why I think liberals so shallow, so superficial, than this journalist explains. And now we’ve elected one of the brain dead clan at the most inopportune time. :evil:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aJ01reSCujDQ

  31. “The proliferation of Obama’s gaffes and non sequiturs on health care has exceeded the allowable limit. He has failed repeatedly to explain how the government will provide more (health care) for less (money). He has failed to explain why increased demand for medical services without a concomitant increase in supply won’t lead to rationing by government bureaucrats as opposed to the market. And he has failed to explain why a Medicare-like model is desirable when Medicare itself is going broke.”

    Tex, my favorite paragraph from your link.

    If Obama can explain away that paragraph, the Rabbit will support the President on health care.

  32. Capping the charitable deduction at 28 percent for the very rich (who would otherwise be able to save 35 cents on each dollar they give to charity) is one way to finance healthcare reform.

    I see. Take action that will surely harm charities, most of which are laudable precisely because they are not sucking on the government teat and are run far more efficiently than any ‘aid’ or ‘asistance’ program run by the government, and with much greater accountability, so it can get flushed down the government’s tubes when it cannot effectly manage the healthcare it has its grubby hands on now.

    -Hurt existing charities that fullfill important roles in our society by taking away my choice of how I want my money to be used to help people, to fund a program that is not legal, is not sustainable, and can only increase misery as it lowers the quality of care. All to support two erroneous concepts: 1. My money belongs to the government, and they’ll let me keep only what they do not see fit to give away, and that health care is a right. Got it.

  33. “What value does the health insurance industry add?”

    Catastrophic coverage, duh.

    Geoff, perhaps the better question is what value does the health insurance industry add to justify their high overhead and inflated salaries for their CEO’s?

    I’m not sure I’d call coverage value. Let’s face it, when we get reimbursed for medical expenses we’re just getting our own money back. That’s value? I’m not saying health insurance isn’t needed. Obviously it is. But the question is why does it need to be attached to free enterprise? Why does it need to be for profit?

    o When has the health insurance industry ever operated at 4% overhead?

    Neither has Medicare or Medicaid, as many researchers have pointed out.

    So you’re saying Anthony Weiner just pulled the 4% number out of his ass?

  34. Finally upon the death of our mothers we would both eventually be raised by our grandparents.

    ROTFL It would do Mr. Jackson some good to research his subject before making comparisons.

    Obama was an adult when his mother died.

  35. Soetoro was involved at least until Obama’s mother died, when Obama’s grandparents stepped in.

    Holy cow. I was willing to give Jackson the benefit of the doubt with that first excerpt you snipped Elric. But damn, the dude repeats the same dumb ass mistake later in his article. He doesn’t bother to do even the most basic research.

    Guess that’s why he writes for American Thinker. LOL …American Thinker .. talk about irony! :-)

    P.S. Obama’s mother died on Nov. 7, 1995, at 52. Obama was 34 years old at the time.

  36. Could someone explain to me why the folks who advocate for gun owners all seem to be roly-poly small dicked guys who probably had the crap beat out of them in high school?

    Case in point, one John Velleco of Gun Owners of America. This putz thinks there is no reason why everyone shouldn’t be allowed to enter a town hall meeting with the President, packing heat. And we ain’t just talking your ordinary pistol either. We’re talking semi-automatics. Fortunately there are folks like Chris Matthews who let this assh*le talk himself into the ground.

  37. Putz #2 (actually Putz #1 since he appeared the day before dumbass Velleco) is Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation.

    Now you tell me with a straight face that this guy didn’t get pelted during dodgeball in the fifth grade, and didn’t get wedgies in high school from the school bully. I swear these guys need to give up the second amendment and go buy some Viagra. They’d feel a whole lot better!

    (Best part …. this ignoramus argues the point with a man whose father was President of the United States and very nearly died from an assassination attempt. Dumbass.)

  38. Does anyone remember when Bush had shoes thrown at him? It only took a couple seconds to take of his shoe and throw it at Bush. People need to remember that just because you’re allowed to carry gun doesn’t mean you cant pop-off and go crazy.

  39. This is the third of three comments that I didn’t think rose to the level of a new blog post, but that I needed to get off my chest anyway. The first two were about guys demanding their right to carry large penises … oh sorry … big guns to public events.

    This one has been a long time in the making. Last week, I watched Lawrence O’Donnell interview Katy Abram, a good old fashioned politically naive innocent from Pennsylvania who begged Arlen Specter to restore the Constitution of the United States and not turn us into Russia. (Video posted at end of this comment).

    Lawrence treated her with kid gloves relatively. For starters it’s funny that Katy wants what the framers of the Constitution wanted … since they didn’t want her to vote. :-) But then things got more interesting. O’Donnell asked her about her income because unless her family is making more than $250K, she really doesn’t have anything to worry about from a taxation perspective. Mmmmm, Katy doesn’t know her family income because her husband takes care of the bills “he takes care of us and that’s all that matters”. OK, so now I figure she DOES like the old days when she couldn’t vote.

    But then, little Miss I’m-Just-a-Happy-Dumb-Housewife drops an interesting bomb. For someone who knows nothing about the family finances, she seems pretty damn sure she has a $5,000 deductible on her health insurance policy. Mmmm, pretty damn selective about which financial stuff she keeps track of. My bullshit meter went off big time … sirens blaring all over the place. And then ….

    Lo and behold “the sleeping giant” within Katy turned out not to be sleeping at all. She’s a friggin Glenn Beck disciple who runs her own chapter of his off the wall “9-12″ organization (which I wrote about here a few months ago). So, innocent, naive Katy is busted. I smelled a rat during Hardball but I just didn’t know how bad the stink would be.

    More here.

    And here is her illustrious performance on Hardball.

  40. People need to remember that just because you’re allowed to carry gun doesn’t mean you cant pop-off and go crazy.

    Sensico, exactly. This is the very dumbass theme repeated by gun advocates …. it’s legal for me to carry my fire-arm. Well, as one pundit said the other day, it’s legal to ride your pogo stick into church. But you don’t do it!!

    This greatly complicates the job of the Secret Service and I particularly love how bonehead Velleco says that folks who carry their fire arm in the open are clearly not dangerous.

    But brace yourself Sensico because any minute now, the conservative block of the RL Blog will tell us what fascists we are. Don’t forget, you’ve got to have your gun handy to protect you from the big bad American government that wants to kill your retarded baby and your grandma.

  41. yeah, I had some guns anywhere anytime advocates on my blog when I raised the issue. I know the arguments rabbit, Tex, Elric, others might make. In the end it comes down to common sense and if you ask me, these nuts aren’t helping the gun rights cause anyways. To me this is a form of intimidation and this is extreme behavior.

  42. I don’t think people should bring guns to a town hall meeting.

    I own a gun to go deer hunting and to smoke some fool who treads on my family. Oh yeah, sometimes I go to the range for fun.

    There are plenty of your liberal friends who object to what I just wrote.

    So quit acting like there isn’t loons in your own party. You’ve been doing nothing but citing individuals for the last month as some banal form of defending health care. You lack even the remotest amount of intellectual depth. You bore me.

    Why don’t you get off youtube and address the this:

    “The proliferation of Obama’s gaffes and non sequiturs on health care has exceeded the allowable limit. He has failed repeatedly to explain how the government will provide more (health care) for less (money). He has failed to explain why increased demand for medical services without a concomitant increase in supply won’t lead to rationing by government bureaucrats as opposed to the market. And he has failed to explain why a Medicare-like model is desirable when Medicare itself is going broke.”

  43. So you’re saying Anthony Weiner just pulled the 4% number out of his ass?

    The 4% number (actually more commonly quoted as 2%, 3%, or 2 – 5%, depending on how people are feeling) is what Medicare claims as its overhead. If you google something like “Medicare overhead myth,” you’ll find many accounts of people trying to more fairly compare government admin costs to private health insurer’s admin costs.

    If you look at total health care admin costs for the country, you find it’s about 7%. Not a huge driver of health care costs.

    I’m not sure I’d call coverage value.

    Exactly. That was part of my point – it’s meaningless to call insurance “value.” It’s protection. So Weiner’s original point doesn’t really make sense.

    Let’s face it, when we get reimbursed for medical expenses we’re just getting our own money back. That’s value?

    No, that’s gambling and security. But more aggressive versions of HSAs might be a good way of adding security without using insurance. It would be a comparatively minor change to the system and conservatives wouldn’t bat an eye.

    But the question is why does it need to be attached to free enterprise? Why does it need to be for profit?

    Nothing needs to be for a profit, unless you want a separation of corporate and governmental powers, a free-running, reasonably independent market, and minimal intrusion of the government into personal affairs. Which covers almost everything.

    By your reasoning we should go ahead and have government run all the other insurance industries as well. And why stop there?

  44. “Could someone explain to me why the folks who advocate for gun owners all seem to be roly-poly small dicked guys who probably had the crap beat out of them in high school?”

    Wow, seems your man crush extends to gaging the penis size of men. You are getting weirder by the day Dodger.

  45. “By your reasoning we should go ahead and have government run all the other insurance industries as well. And why stop there?”

    Dodger doesnt want to stop there. He supports marxism/fascism.

  46. And I can see why Dodger LOVES PMSNBC, talk about shady deception. They conceal the race of the guy with the AR-15 so they can play the race card.

  47. Greenpeace: Yeah, we misled, but we needed the emotionalism!

    Phelim McAleer, the co-director of Not Evil, Just Wrong, catches the BBC in an act of journalism when interviewing Greenpeace leader Gerd Leipold. The activist organization insisted in a July 15th press release that all of the Arctic ice would disappear by 2030, a claim which reporter Stephen Sackur finds ridiculous — and for good reason. Watch Leipold backpedal in this 98-second clip from the interview (full interview here):

    But hey, lets cripple our economy over “emotionalism”

  48. Yeah, we misled, but we needed the emotionalism!

    The one thing I got out of the video was the name of the poster, “not evil just wrong”.

    You ought to try that philosophy Elric. Might make you sound less like a lunatic than your current approach of saying Obama wants to destroy our country.

  49. If I bore you then stop addressing me. Gosh, you come off with the attitude of a “liberal elitist” sometimes….yeah I said it!
    On another note, that guy carrying the gun in the video Elric showed as well as the radio host interviewing admitted it was staged. Regardless of that, I’m sure there were some “racially biased” individuals that were also carrying guns. Either way, guns around any president is ridiculous in this day and age.

  50. I see you still want to talk about the meaningless crap when it comes to the health care debate. I’ll post it again just to be annoying.

    Suck my quip:

    “The proliferation of Obama’s gaffes and non sequiturs on health care has exceeded the allowable limit. He has failed repeatedly to explain how the government will provide more (health care) for less (money). He has failed to explain why increased demand for medical services without a concomitant increase in supply won’t lead to rationing by government bureaucrats as opposed to the market. And he has failed to explain why a Medicare-like model is desirable when Medicare itself is going broke.”

  51. Not annoying to me for you to continue to post something I’ll never bother to read. It’ll be like the signature at the end of all your comments. But, you’re the only one that will waste time copy and pasting, like Elric, so more power to you :P

  52. This is why you are an utter fucking fool. And why I can’t stand you. I knew you hadn’t read the paragraph. It makes me sick Rutherford doesn’t have the guts to call you out.

    Why do you come here? To hear yourself speak? To get kudos from Rutherford?

    As I’ve said before, you don’t have the integrity to read anything intellectual that doesn’t fit in with your sheltered and pathetic spoon fed life.

    Do you think I’m posting some “gotcha” paragraph? That I’m playing checkmate in your little political science experiment you play on your Daddy’s computer?

    My fucking questions are valid. I’m posting the very crux of the problem with this health care bill. It is mind boggling to me people like you ignore these questions wholesale.

    Do you think I don’t want people to have health insurance? Unlike your sheltered ass, I went without health benefits for 8 years. I am literally still paying out of pocket for an ambulance ride.

    By the way, Elric reads what people write. You don’t do that. You’re an internet troll of the worst kind. It just so happens your a troll on Rutherford’s “team.”

    Keep posting cable news shows uploaded to youtube about individuals at town halls and remain completely ignorant to what this debate is really about.

    You have proven yourself utterly oblivious.

  53. How’s this for irony, Obama is complaining about misinformation while he does a radio show with a fake conservative, under the guise that he’s addressing conservative talk radio. If he really wanted to address the conservative audience of talk radio, he’d go on Rush… but that wouldn’t be easy, or intellectually honest…

  54. lol I didn’t have to read DR’s whole comment because I’m sure it’s something about how he thinks I’m spoiled and stupid, blah blah blah.
    Why give Rush limbaugh the pleasure of having Obama on his show? He’s not worth it. I think Michael Smerconish is a sensible conservative. Just because he doesn’t support the GOP approach to doing things doesn’t mean he’s not a conservative. He still supports conservative ideas. I for one will be listening to the show online if available. His listeners will be calling in to ask Obama questions so I’m sure they will be gun toting, fascist calling, yelling republicans calling in to ask questions whether they’re regular listeners of Smerconish or not.

  55. Seriously Rutherford, you can’t lambaste Elric if your going to let this uninformed idiot spew her garbage.

    This chick just name calls and posts youtube videos of weirdos.

    “The proliferation of Obama’s gaffes and non sequiturs on health care has exceeded the allowable limit. He has failed repeatedly to explain how the government will provide more (health care) for less (money). He has failed to explain why increased demand for medical services without a concomitant increase in supply won’t lead to rationing by government bureaucrats as opposed to the market. And he has failed to explain why a Medicare-like model is desirable when Medicare itself is going broke.”

  56. In other news:

    The Dead Rabbit is proud to say that he has raised 2,500 dollars for breast cancer. My softball team is hosting a charity tournament Saturday. This took much more organization then you would think.

  57. Regardless of that, I’m sure there were some “racially biased” individuals that were also carrying guns.

    Aside from the fact that your certainty represents an omniscience not in evidence, it is part of a larger contempt of a free people exercising their Consitutional rights. Living free means taking responsibility for yourself and your actions, and accepting the consequences, even bad ones. As A free person, I will accept bad consequences, rather than continue to surrender my rights to a state determined to give me the security of a child in exchange for all I have and all rights I have been invested with. Would I have done it? No, but only because the howling choruses of simpering wimpletons, too afraid to live like free people, would once again turn their hand-wringging tirades to bear on the whatever sinister motives they would eagerly to ascribe to the rest of us.

    Either way, guns around any president is ridiculous in this day and age.

    Yeah, those Secret Service agents should not that crap off, right now!

    When you grow up, and quit deciding what is right for the rest of us, and cheerleading for those who are determined to give that to us, whether we want it or not, then you might start to appreciate the genius inherent the form of limited government that Congress keeps trying to usurp for itself. Until then, enjoy your cud, sheep.

  58. Seriously Rutherford, you can’t lambaste Elric if your going to let this uninformed idiot spew her garbage.

    Actually, I find the entire exchange between you and Sensico a bit confusing since I thought your original assault was aimed at the YouTube vids that I had posted last night. I thought your fight was with me, not her.

    I think I need more sleep … I can’t tell which end is up on my own damn blog.

  59. The Dead Rabbit is proud to say that he has raised 2,500 dollars for breast cancer.

    I’m quite sure it was hard work. Good for you. I can’t speak for anyone else but you sure as hell contributed more to society than I did today! My hat’s off to you.

  60. If my kid or wife was on the Lockerbie flight, I would become famous today…

    You might be seeing a short blog post from me on this topic within the next 24 hours.

  61. If he really wanted to address the conservative audience of talk radio, he’d go on Rush

    LOL Gorilla, you know and I know that Rush is a bombastic circus clown. Get real.

    I’ve watched Michael Smerconish and the man is a conservative. He’s a smart conservative who listens and is more interested in meaningful debate than ratings.

  62. BiW, let me give you the real simplistic view on this:

    There are only two reasons to own a gun.

    1. Recreation (hunting, target practice, skeet shooting, etc.)
    2. Shoot other people

    Now you will of course bring up “self defense” but that implies you are defending yourself from someone else with a gun who plans to shoot you with it which brings us back to reason #2.

    We used to have a society where everyone carried their sidearm. It was called the Wild West. It was called wild for a reason. I prefer living in a civilized society.

    This may no longer be the case but the last time I checked, British cops didn’t carry guns. They carried night sticks.

    Regardless, I’m ok with cops carrying guns to defend me from the loonies who have them and should not have them.

    Oh … by the way BiW, could you possibly explain what I need with an AK-47 (or AK-15 or whatever) at a public event? Ahhh don’t bother ,,,, I know the answer, you need it to kill the ten guys who came with regular pistols to shoot at you.

  63. BiW, let me give you the real simplistic view on this:

    There are only two reasons to own a gun.

    1. Recreation (hunting, target practice, skeet shooting, etc.)
    2. Shoot other people

    “Simplistic” is right. I’m sure that the fact that the Americans had only recently fought a war in which the government they sought to separate themselves from made deliberate moves on arms and ammunition that could have been used against them never entered into their thinking at all when they proposed the Second Amendment. Yes, how silly is it to think that a fledgling nation, not too many years removed from the tyranny of a government that deemed itself the epitome of “civilization” at the time might not recognize that a check on such tyranny might be an armed populace? I’m sure that “recreation” was paramount in their concerns.

    Now you will of course bring up “self defense” but that implies you are defending yourself from someone else with a gun who plans to shoot you with it which brings us back to reason #2.

    No, it also implies that I am defending myself from a person who might be a threat without a gun, like say an addict brandishing a needle. You also forgot defense of property. I have lived in some pretty rough neighborhoods, and when a stranger is busting into my home at 2 am, the general assumption is that he is up to no good in doing so. Rather than wait to see if this person is going to hurt my family or fleeing my home and surrending the things I worked hard to provide for my family, I prefer a more permanent means of helping the offender break out of a life of crime. The revidicism rate is considerably lower, and fewer tax dollars are spent on a prison stay where they learn to be better criminals.

    We used to have a society where everyone carried their sidearm. It was called the Wild West. It was called wild for a reason. I prefer living in a civilized society.

    This may no longer be the case but the last time I checked, British cops didn’t carry guns. They carried night sticks.

    When using an example to make your point, you might want to educate yourself about it first. When the Brits moved on private firearms a few years ago, they removed a major deterrent to violent crime, which has been on the rise ever since. And once they took the guns, the nogoodniks simply reverted to knives. Stabbings have increased tremendously. You choose to be unarmed, it is your choice, I’m not stopping you. Please don’t violate my rights and presume to stop me.

    Regardless, I’m ok with cops carrying guns to defend me from the loonies who have them and should not have them.

    In the coming days of shrinking budgets, increased unemployment and economic malaise, if the police are your only resort for defense, then by all means, accept that. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

    Oh … by the way BiW, could you possibly explain what I need with an AK-47 (or AK-15 or whatever) at a public event? Ahhh don’t bother ,,,, I know the answer, you need it to kill the ten guys who came with regular pistols to shoot at you.

    Why would I have to profess a need to exercise a right? Have you ever asked any one why they felt the need to engage in political or religious discourse? Have you ever asked someone why they demanded authorities show them a warrant before entering their home and searching for something. Why do you apparently believe some rights have to be justified? As for this particular instance, I have already said I wouldn’t do it. The sanctimony and hand-wringing from the usual suspects is more than I want to accept. I suppose if I subscribed to the liberal world view in which no one could or would ever be held responsible for his or her actions, I might be alarmed by the presence of a tool stapped to another person, to whom I might automatically ascribe an inability to act responsibly, since it is beyond the scope of a typical liberal’s worldview to believe otherwise, but since I don’t see the world that way, I don’t see the need for the squealing hisrionics that I would expect from such a display.

  64. “I’ve watched Michael Smerconish and the man is a conservative.”

    Sure he is. You dont even know what the term means. Anyone willing to listen to a marxist thug isnt a conservative.

  65. WSJ: VA pushes vets to consider death as an alternative to treatment
    posted at 11:36 am on August 20, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    The ObamaCare bill may not contain “death panels,” but even Charles Lane and Eugene Robinson at the Washington Post wonder why the bill incentivizes end-of-life consultations with the elderly and ill as part of its cost-containment strategy. Maybe Lane and Robinson should take a look at the VA, where the Obama administration and former General Eric Shinseki have reinstated a program called “Your Life, Your Choices.” The Wall Street Journal reports that this program amounts to a high-pressure sales pitch for refusal of treatment for veterans:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/20/wsj-va-pushes-vets-to-consider-death-as-an-alternative-to-treatment/

    I guess death panels arent just for thuggy Care

  66. What Obama wouldn’t fund with $2B in loan guarantees
    posted at 4:45 pm on August 20, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Earlier this week, we found out what kind of energy production Barack Obama likes to support when he offered $2 billion in loans and guarantees to Brazilian oil producer Petrobras to drill off Brazil’s shores — while supporting a moratorium on offshore drilling in the US. Coincidentally, Obama had the opportunity to offer the exact same amount of money to an American company for energy production just three weeks earlier. Did they get the cash for their zero-emission energy industry venture? Apparently, George Soros didn’t invest in USEC:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/20/what-obama-wouldnt-fund-with-2b-in-loan-guarantees/

    Gee Dodger, and you wonder why I think thuggy hates this country and wants to destroy it.

  67. And you the posts Dodger wont touch that I bring up? Thuggy banning drilling here but will use tax payer dollars to fund it for his socialist buddy in Brazil; wont touch it. Thuggy crapping on the Vets with death life panels; wont touch it; Cash for Clunkers an absolute failure; wont touch it; race baiting on PMSNBC; wont touch it; Thuggy busing in union thugs; wont touch it. Axelrod already making a profit from ThuggyCare; wont touch it. On and on. Well at least Dodger established when Thuggy’s mom died. Now that’s “important”. Though he never did explain why Thuggy felt compelled to write a favorable book on his father who left his sorry ass when he was 2 instead of the people that actually raised the ungrateful bastard.

  68. Obama to Planned Parenthood in 2007: “Reproductive care” is at the center of my health-care plan
    posted at 6:27 pm on August 20, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    Yet another case of our savior being unable to get his story straight. Via Ace, here he is yesterday pandering to religious leaders. Mind you, even the Associated Press grudgingly admitted two weeks ago that the current House bill would use tax money for abortions.

    In a late Wednesday conference call with several left-wing faith groups that supported his presidential bid, President Barack Obama claimed it is a “fabrication” and “distraction” to say abortion funding is included in the health care reform plans pending in Congress.

    He said it is false to suggest that the government-run health care plan he favors would result in “government funding of abortions,” and that this is “untrue.”

    And here he is two years ago using dainty abortion euphemisms to promise a group that already gets $350 million in taxpayer money each year that the cash will keep flowing under ObamaCare, per our little “partnership” agreement with God. Does this guy really not understand why so many people are suspicious of his intentions with health-care reform? He’s following the same shady pattern here as he did with the public option and single-payer: He tells the country one thing, then video of his ideological allies contradicting him starts to come out, then inevitably some older video of Obama himself contradicting his current position emerges. Given his hardline support for abortion and the sort of barely coded promise to his base that you see below, why would anyone trust him not to use ObamaCare to start paying for it? (Besides Doug Kmiec, I mean.) And given the inertia towards waste and bankruptcy in any government program, why would anyone trust ObamaCare to work at all? Fun fact: Increasingly, they don’t.

    Well except Dodger, he has a man crush on Thuggy

  69. Without any exaggeration, if it wasn’t for the 2nd amendment, I wouldn’t exist.

    My Grand pappy had to kill a person. He owned a bar connected to a party store (liquor store to you non Michganders) that was stuck up. On one occasion he had to kill a man wanted for gunning down another business owner. My Dad was working at the store while this happened. We have no doubt this dude would have killed my Dad and Grandpa.

    I remember taking solace in the fact my Grandpa was armed and not afraid to kill a motherfucker when I was young. This reality was known throughout the neighborhood and probably stopped others from violent attacks.

    Flash forward to 1997 and the Rabbit found himself living in an apartment in in a very shitty neighborhood. My snub nose 38 special my Dad loaned me allowed me to actually sleep. Living by yourself is creepy as it is. Hearing crime take place every night is downright horrifying.

    The worst part of that apartment was taking a shower. If one of the crackheads came in, I was trapped. No window, no exit. I would take that revolver in the bathroom every time. In fact, the gun is what got me through that year without losing my mind.

  70. And I can see why Dodger LOVES PMSNBC, talk about shady deception

    Elric, the racism remark by Dylan Rattigan at the end of your clip was gratuitous, if not somewhat true.

    However, for someone who does not subscribe to cable, perhaps you should not run off at the mouth so much about MSNBC. I watch it a lot and the black man with the semi-automatic was shown in many clips. In fact, someone shared an anecdote about a man in the crowd with a semi-automatic and another man saying “oh yeah the black guy” and the response was “no the man I saw was white” to which the closing response was “there were TWO guys with semi-automatics? You’re kidding!”

    So sorry Elric, there was no attempt made by MSNBC to hide that one of the armed guys was black.

  71. “Actually, I find the entire exchange between you and Sensico a bit confusing since I thought your original assault was aimed at the YouTube vids that I had posted last night. I thought your fight was with me, not her.”-rutherford

    Look man, all of us post those explosive links where we use some odd ball to completely stereotype the “other side”. And, of course, other times we are plain and simple pissed off.

    Yet, there are moments where ideas are exchanged around here. Take you, Rutherford. You opened my eyes to the harm drug advertisements do and made me think long and hard about insurance companies unfairly dropping coverage.

    Sensico does no thinking. She rarely reads what anyone here posts. She merely echoes bumper stickers. I have never once seen her counter someones point using her own logic or inductive reasoning. She does nothing but stereotype the “other side” ad fucking nuaseum.

    Should she be banned? Hell no. But for you to call out Elric on a daily basis and not admonish her is total garbage.

    Again, hate on Elric all you want, the dude at least reads people’s arguments.

    Do you give sensico a pass becuase she is young? A fellow liberal? Black?

    Which brings me to another point. Conservative battle it out. You guys never do. You seem to either gang up like mindless piranhas or are go cowardly mute when you disagree with your brethren. I’ve seen this at work and on college campuses.

  72. Come one Rutherford, that clip was laughable. Am I supposed to be impressed that “other” segments on MSNBC didn’t purposely fool the viewer?

    A political slant is one thing. But damn, for that 4 minutes, MSNBC was pulling a fast one on a level Fox News would never dare. That was premeditated and reprehensible.

  73. “Simplistic” is right….

    You’ve written a long and heroic defense of your 2nd amendment rights, BiW.

    First, this is not 1776. I understand the genesis of the 2nd amendment and don’t you think, health care be damned, that it’s a bit premature to take up arms against the government? Is it really that bad?

    Second, if I understand my law properly, you cannot shoot an intruder in your home unless he demonstrates that he is going to use lethal force against you. You certainly cannot shoot him as he is running out of your house with your stereo. Try it sometime and see how fast the cops arrest your ass. This ain’t primetime TV. I don’t have the stats handy but there is a high incidence of folks with your delusions of defense of self and property who only wind up wounding themselves and loved ones accidentally. If I’m not mistaken, NYC threw Bernie Goetz’s ass in prison for “defending himself” on a subway some 30 years ago.

    Third, as I said before, you have the “right” to go to church on a pogo stick. It doesn’t mean you’re going to do it. There is no sensible reason to bring a gun to a political rally, particularly outside a venue where the President is speaking. I’d have to go do the research but I’d bet dollars to donuts not a single one of our American assassins or would be assassins (e.g. Hinckley) was carrying his fire arm illegally … i.e. they had permits to carry. When a bunch of folks in a crowd outside a presidential appearance are armed, how are we to tell who is potentially dangerous? Sorry BiW, it’s bad form to come to a protest rally packin’ heat.

  74. Well you’ve been proven wrong already, the more progressive side of the democrat party has been going after the Blue Dogs for weeks now.
    As far as your comment about me. So what, grow a pair, deal with it. And you have seen me refute some of your many disastrous statements. Just because I ignore you and your questions sometimes isn’t because I don’t read them it’s because (one or more may apply)
    1. I either answered the question earlier
    2. I hate repeating myself
    3. the answer to your question or comment is common sense
    4. I do believe in stupid and unnecessary questions when you reach a certain age
    5. I think as someone who has been here and at Chen’s that you should pretty much know some of my views on certain things
    6. I don’t feel like answering with long responses at the moment
    7. Your comment got lost amongst Elric’s dozens of link drops
    8. Questions like “I don’t understand”, it’s specific enough and I mostly don’t answer because of (reason #3)
    9. Because I’d like to end a discussion that’s going nowhere, hence my utter ignoring of the Islam questions after a few comment.
    10. Because I’d rather annoy you by simply ignoring you :) (My favorite)

    And don’t play the race card here. I highly doubt I ever get a pass because I’m black :P

    Anyways, like I wrote before, deal with it.

  75. Conservative battle it out.

    Rabbit, you almost had me until you dropped that stinkbomb.

    Washington conservatives are the most “unite without debate” crew around. The very problem that the Democrats have is they can’t get out of each others way for all the in-fighting and debating. Conservatives, for the most part, eschew intellectualism and this is good for them. They decide what they want or do not want and they line up and get it done. Liberals think too damn much.

    As for Sensico, if you look through the last few threads, you’ll see that I don’t agree with everything she says and I’ve said so. I don’t flame her and maybe that’s why my few disagreements with her fly under the radar. If you go back to the Chamber, you’ll find a huge lecture I gave her about making pronouncements about adults who’ve had it rough when she is still young and might not appreciate some adult realities.

    But bottom line, it takes some guts for anyone to come in here and fight the good fight, no matter which “side” you’re on. Not a single one of us (including me) (with the exception perhaps of Wickle) has not been downright brutal at times. If she comes in, takes her lumps and keeps on swinging, more power to her! (And please identify when I’ve ever told any of you guys to lay off her. If she plays with the big boys, she gets what the big boys dish out.)

  76. I highly doubt I ever get a pass because I’m black :P

    LOL on that note … from the only fuzzy picture I’ve seen of Sensico, I wasn’t sure she was black so I’ve certainly done no bonding on that score …. and as you well know, many folks don’t know I’m black especially after seeing my picture. So the whole racial identification thang is pretty well broken where I’m concerned.

  77. Come one Rutherford, that clip was laughable

    Ok if your’e referring to the visuals which never showed the guy from the neck up … yeah that was lame. I wouldn’t swear what the motive was but it was lame.

  78. “Rabbit, you almost had me until you dropped that stinkbomb.”-Rutherford

    I don’t think I made myself too clear on that one. I mean regular folk. Just look at this place. Every conservative in this place has had a disagreement on steroids. Not you guys. Someone drops something moronic and not a peep from you guys.

    As for sensico, we’ve been discussing health care for two weeks. Can you tell me sensico’s position on why the health care plan will work?

    She has done nothing and I mean nothing, but provide slanderous ad hominem attacks in the following order:

    1. The protesters are fake (beginning of week 1)
    2. The protesters do exist, are crazed and violent but not representative of the country. (end of week 1)
    3. The protesters do in fact exist, are in fact representative of a good chunk of America but that’s becuase a good chunk of America are crazy old people. (week 2)

    The key here is it’s always about the protesters.

    Sure, she did have that one cryptic post where she talked about how she isn’t a “giver” and then said the health care bill is good becuase health care in general is good and stuff.

    So I ask you again, what is sensico’s argument for why the health care bill will work?

  79. In person I actually get asked if I’m mixed or not. Though technically my grandfather is french and my other grandfather is half Irish. I’d like to claim I’m mix but it’s easier to say just black. In a way, we’re all mixed with something.
    To concede the point that not all teabaggers are the same. I’ll post this video I saw last week. I was going to wait to see if Rabbit wanted to continue playing the race card and then compare him to the guy in the video with the dreads but I’d rather post it, for the bipartisanship in renouncing the Larouchies. I dislike the Larouchies more then teabaggers greatly as they annoy me by coming to campus passing out these fliers and putting Larouchies Economist magazines on every desk which ends up being thrown away anyways,

  80. “There is no sensible reason to bring a gun to a political rally, particularly outside a venue where the President is speaking.”-R

    If only you stopped with that comment. Instead, you mocked the notion of self defense. Very annoying considering you have always lived in an area where you have convinced yourself it to be a local where self defense isn’t an issue. Not to mention the that scrap of paper called the Constitution.

    Plus, hunting is one of the most peaceful things a man can do. You should try it.

  81. Rabbit, your points don’t even make sense, especially point #3
    Now, I’d like to point you to reason number #2, 5, and 10 as to why I won’t answer that question :)

  82. Yeah, until Obama starts WW3 and methodically exterminates 6 million Jews and 3 Million Polish, I won’t call him Hitler.

    Franco, maybe. But not Hitler. :)

    As for my question on why Rutherford consistently gives sensico a pass, I also mentioned her youth and her gender. So, I would appreciate a little attention to detail and to be given my due and proper for playing the sexism and ageism card too.

  83. Doesn’t make sense?

    A week ago you were talking about the “astro turf”. We were told the protesters were bussed in and professionals.

    Then you began give up on the notion of astro turf and concentrated on youtube clips of weirdos. I will call it your
    “mob” phase.

    Lastly, you seemed to give up on the crazed mob theory and went with the paranoia of the elderly and, strangely enough, you went on to tie their grand children in. I can find you the posts if you want.

  84. You’re saying this as though I’m contradicting myself, when I certainly believe that all three of those things you just mentioned are possible. btw, the “mob” promoted the notion that the health care bill will kill old people = weirdos
    I said that whats left of the majority of the GOP are old people that make up conspiracy theories. Some can be apart of astro turf and some are apart of the mob. I put their grandchildren in there because I saw pictures of little kids holding up signs about killing grandma. Plus, I wanted to be fair in also placing blame on the very few younger people in these mobs.
    Either way, I feel like all those things aren’t separate.

  85. “Rutherford”,

    Conservatives, for the most part, eschew intellectualism and this is good for them. They decide what they want or do not want and they line up and get it done. Liberals think too damn much.

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Can you believe this shit Rabbit & Co. that the “R” is laying on us? If that doesn’t characterize the “lib” group think, nothing can.

    The Rutherford ilk have been reading and listening their MSM horseshit for so long, they have actually convinced themselves of their “intellectual” superiority.

    So Rutherford, like they once said. “Where’s the beef?”

    The Mensa Progressive Party has had about eight months now to try and make things right, or at the very least begin to correct the previous mistakes. After their dismal performance, they have now had to resort in no particular order to charges of: (1) racism, (2) Bush’s fault, (3) stupidity of American public, or (4) Republican firewall. Guess they forgot they control it all now and the results speak for themselves. America is beginning the slow revolt to kicking their worthless Marxist superiority to the street. And I’m thoroughly watching them fail.

    It is patently obvious that the ‘brilliant’ Obama is clueless about how to manage much of anything but give cue card speeches in front of Greek columns, envisioning himself as some divine being. Finally, folks are starting to catch on that not only is the man and his brood of toadies clueless, phonies,deceitful, dishonest stooges who deal in nothing but strife, but dangerous to the very existence of our country.

    At least 75% of citizens now are beginning to grasp what most of have known all along – Libs can’t find their ass with both hands. “R”, you keep convincing yourself run with the superior pack, though. It humors me. :smile:

  86. “Guess they forgot they control it all now and the results speak for themselves” -Tex

    So fricking true, man.

    The health bill speaks for itself. Rutherford tells me I’m supposed to accept that 1000 pages of nonsensical garbage is just the way it’s supposed to be.

    Well not anymore.

    The bill is written in fricking Klingon!

    I can get, although vehemently disagree with, Rutherford’s stance on a public option, government health care etc.

    What blows me away is how he can defend the bill itself.

    Even if I believed in Obama’s talking points, I’d be against this bill!

    Just look at the the thing!!!

    And we’re the idiots?

  87. Unbelievable. Obama is now talking about moving Gitmo to Michigan.

    600 hardcore Al Queda terrorists led by Osama Bin Laden for the sake of a measly 1200 hundred jobs., moost of which would be Federal.

    For fuck sakes, why in the hell is not Gitmo good for Gitmo.

    If they move them here, they should release one at a time on Ted Nugent’s hunting grounds and let us hunters track them down.

    Personally, I would like to use my bow.

  88. You’ve written a long and heroic defense of your 2nd amendment rights, BiW.

    Not really, but its nice that you think so.

    First, this is not 1776.

    And it is not 1787 when the Constitution was ratified, or 1789 when the Bill of Rights was ratified (just so I don’t get accused of saying something untrue that I didn’t say.)

    I understand the genesis of the 2nd amendment and don’t you think, health care be damned, that it’s a bit premature to take up arms against the government? Is it really that bad?

    HHHHmmmm. Where to start? In order, I guess.
    Are you implying that because a right important enough to write into our primary legal source document is old and you are so gentile that you feel it is no longer necessary, it is subject to ridicule and hyperbole if you cannot simply waive your hand and make it disappear? I don’t recall advocating taking up arms against the government. What I did suggest is that the wise men who drafted the law did so because they understood the tendency of governments of men to drift into tyrannical behavior, and because of it, they took pains to ensure that the people had the right to be armed as much as a means of defense against the tyrannical impulses of government as defense of our person against the transgression of others and the “recreational” uses you would diminish. It is a way to keep those who serve us in memory of their role, lest they determine to reverse them (and borrowing to the point where increasing tax burdens will be necessary just to service the debt comes damn close), but no, supporting the right to bear arms is not a call to arms against the government. Please avoid putting such words in my mouth when I take such great pains to be clear.

    Second, if I understand my law properly, you cannot shoot an intruder in your home unless he demonstrates that he is going to use lethal force against you.

    Entirely dependent on what state you live in. Some states have enacted laws that basically say you have a duty to withdraw, even in the curtiledge of your own home, which disrespects centuries of law regarding one’s home and hearth, and others like Texas, have specifically upheld the right to use deadly force to protect property. In states like that, as the shooter, you will most certainly face a grand jury, however, as long as you were defending your property, it is almost a certainty that the grand jury will not indict you.

    You certainly cannot shoot him as he is running out of your house with your stereo. Try it sometime and see how fast the cops arrest your ass. This ain’t primetime TV. I don’t have the stats handy but there is a high incidence of folks with your delusions of defense of self and property who only wind up wounding themselves and loved ones accidentally.

    If you’re going to continue to argue the law with me, would it be too much to ask if I am debating an attorney? You forgive me if I don’t accept your word about those stats. Experience in politics and law has made me a firm believer in the maxim “Figures don’t lie, but liars can figure.”

    If I’m not mistaken, NYC threw Bernie Goetz’s ass in prison for “defending himself” on a subway some 30 years ago.

    You are mistaken. NYC “threw his ass in prison” on a conviction for criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree, despite having been charged with that, attempted murder, and first degree assault charges. He was eventually sentanced to a year and served eight months. One of his “victims” later falsely reported to police that Goetz had tried to kidnap him, and later held an 18 yr old pregnant woman at gunpoint while an associate sodomized and robbed her. Yet another “victim” went on to commit two robberies.

    Third, as I said before, you have the “right” to go to church on a pogo stick. It doesn’t mean you’re going to do it.

    I saw that, and as you can read, I did not dispute it.

    There is no sensible reason to bring a gun to a political rally, particularly outside a venue where the President is speaking.

    Again, I did not dispute this. I took issue with you asking me to explain why I’d need to carry a semi-automatic rifle to a “public event”. No one should have to justify the exercise of a right, especially to those who are hostile to such rights. I already stated that I wouldn’t do it. For me, it simply isn’t worth the harrassment and the whining. It also gives the press even more reason to not do their jobs and cast a critical eye on this bill, and others. Much more sensational to talk about those wacky gun-freaks, who by the way, abided by the law, and in all respects acted legally.

    I’d have to go do the research but I’d bet dollars to donuts not a single one of our American assassins or would be assassins (e.g. Hinckley) was carrying his fire arm illegally … i.e. they had permits to carry.

    Well, Oswald didn’t need a permit to own a rifle, and in the case of the assasins before him, the current nanny state had not been brought into existance, so I doubt very much that there would have been a valid concept of “illegal” firearms possession. However, if you are trying to imply that all “legal” firearms owners have them because they harbor ambitions to kill people, you are being uneccessarily insulting to those people while laboring an irrelevant point. Which still is indicative of nothing, by the way. This whole tangent still appears to be rooted in the belief that having a gun necessitates the “need” to use it for nefarious purposes. People are killed every day in car accidents. Some due to drunken driving, some other factors. Do we ban cars so that we can keep people safe? Do we ban alcohol? Seriously, where does it end?

    When a bunch of folks in a crowd outside a presidential appearance are armed, how are we to tell who is potentially dangerous?

    Well, I suppose that is between the Secret Service, the citizen, and the lawyers and judges. Or you could just ask Sensico to find them for you. She seems to think that she can divine the fact that some who attended that event were racists. I’m sure it would be even easier to determine which ones were the wanna-be assasins.

    Sorry BiW, it’s bad form to come to a protest rally packin’ heat.

    True enough, Kent State seems to symbolize this well. Oh wait, that didn’t count because it was government employees who acted irresponsibly. I’m sure that could have worked out just fine if someone had called the police, though.

    Again, I wouldn’t do it. Some things are not worth the hue and cry, but it really isn’t your place to question a person’s “need” to exercise a right.

  89. Bush was right. You’re either with us or against us.Lets put sanctions on Scotland. Did you see the Libyans tonight? Partying in the streets as their hero comes home.

    Fuck Scotland and their Rangers.

    Go Celtic!

  90. I agree with everything BiW said, although I have to admit, I strangely picture him being a Vulcan. Which is cool. Very logical.

    2 Star Trek references by me in one night. That is not cool.

  91. I agree with everything BiW said, although I have to admit, I strangely picture him being a Vulcan. Which is cool. Very logical.

    LOL.
    Actually my favorite character has always been Sisko. The “walk softly and carry a big stick” style combined with a spirituality that he reluctantly grew into. Wait! Can a white guy have a black guy as his favorite character in a franchise? Does that mean I can no longer be a conservative because such an admiration completely goes against all the racist beliefs I must secretly harbor as a conservative? I don’t know! It certainly sounds fishy. Maybe someone should report me to flag@whitehouse.gov immeadiately!

  92. I didn’t know their were black Vulcans. That kind of bugs me. From an Anthropological point of view, it makes no sense. What are the odds that a Vulcan species from another world would have races that took on the exact same characteristics as branches of humanity here on Earth?

    uh..i need to get to bed.

  93. Here here BiW, said very eloquently.

    Having been the victim of a home invasion, which occurred in a gun hating state, I didn’t have any protection beyond a baseball bat. I don’t know about you, but walking on two robbers (I’ll leave their ethnic identity out to prevent racist labels) with nothing but a stick is somewhat unnerving. Luckily for me, multiple trips into warzones has removed my fear of doing stupid things.

    Of course, if I had been allowed to have my gun, these guys would not have gotten away (I can only run so far bar foot swinging a bat… ;)) . Now some might lamment the loss of life, which isn’t necessarily the only outcome- there is something sobering about hearing a 12 gauge pump in the darkness. Point being, as the Founders pointed out, there is a reason for the right to bear arms.

    Now that I live somewhere else where I not only have my guns but I have the right (and exercise it) to carry concealed. There have been several studies that have shown that not only does violent crime go down in concealed carry states, but that the claim by the left of increased gun violence is false. Florida is a great example of this.

    As BiW basically said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with exercising a Constitutional right, the fault came in that it provided a red herring for the left to ignore the atrocity that is Obamacare. Oh by the way, the Secret Service said that the Pres was never in danger and that they weren’t concerned.

  94. Since the facts don’t work, Obama is now looking towards God to justify his Obamacare plan. Tell me R, doesn’t this bother you just a little bit?

  95. “Anyone unwilling to listen is an ignoramus regardless of political persuasion.”

    Really? Perhaps we should have “listened” to the Nazis then.

    “Bush was right. You’re either with us or against us.Lets put sanctions on Scotland. Did you see the Libyans tonight? Partying in the streets as their hero comes home.”

    He was correct on that. Gives you a real picture into that world I have posted about time and time again.

  96. “Since the facts don’t work, Obama is now looking towards God to justify his Obamacare plan. Tell me R, doesn’t this bother you just a little bit?”

    Doesnt that crack you up Gorilla? A Godless man playing the religious card to justify enslaving a nation.

  97. Obama 1995: In hard economic times, politicians tend to look for racial scapegoats
    posted at 9:45 pm on August 20, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    Yeah, good point. Isn’t it depressing when politicians try to demagogue what’s essentially an economic issue? I can just picture the heads nodding at MSNBC. I’ll say this for you, champ: You’ve got a lot of nerve.

    Watch to the end for some sweet, sweet bonus material on Rev. Wright, whose more radical tendencies The One naturally never ever had an inkling of.

    A MUST WATCH.

  98. I would think my friend Rutherford would be ashamed of many of the pols leading his party. Forgetting his lovefest with Obama, how can anybody of sound mind think Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer or Harry Reid worthy of anything more than lithium.

    Rutherford is always ragging about Sarah Palin and how dumb she is, yet true idiots like Pelosi get a free pass for their stupidity from the “R”. And Nancy Pelosi is as dumb and crooked as it gets Rutherford.

    And I find it hard to believe that even you Rutherford could like some pompous ass like Barbara Boxer. She’s not only incredibly rude and self-serving, but equally incompetent as attested by California’s cataclysmic fall from grace.

    If you can’t bring yourself to admit that much, why should I believe you are really interested in finding common ground good for both our families?

  99. Tex,

    You forget, he is a drone. Come on, look at his last thread. He has a man crush on Weiner. He laps up all the BS that they say and do. He even thinks Barney Frank is an ok guy. He doesnt even get concerned when the Black Caucus calls out Boxer for being a racist. I am sorry to say Tex, not will persuade Dodger to see the light. He is a drone to the end.

  100. ACLU, Gitmo lawyers exposed CIA agent identities to terrorists
    posted at 8:46 am on August 21, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    The ACLU and defense attorneys for detainees at Guantanamo Bay surveilled and took pictures of CIA agents and then showed the photos to terrorists at Gitmo. The Department of Justice has begun an investigation into the exposure of American agents, the Washington Post reports, in some cases in front of their homes. It underscores once again the stupidity of involving the civil court system in the handling of unlawful combatants in wartime:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/21/aclu-gitmo-lawyers-exposed-cia-agent-identities-to-terrorists/

    Another example of the leftist/islamic alliance

  101. Ahhh Thuggy the post racial uniting president.

    Houston, Texas: One LaRaza guy gets arrested after shoving an ObamaCare opponent. Towards the end of the video LaRaza members begin screaming, “we’re going to take over America and we’re going to give you the boot.” When asked who “you” is, they said “you white people”….

  102. DR -
    Unbelievable. Obama is now talking about moving Gitmo to Michigan.

    600 hardcore Al Queda terrorists led by Osama Bin Laden for the sake of a measly 1200 hundred jobs

    A bit of an exaggeration huh Rabbit?

    The site http://www.globalsecurity.org says as of January 17, 2009, approximately 245 detainees remained at Guantanamo Bay.

    This report says there are only 229 to be moved.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/08/03/2009-08-03_obama_eyes_moving_guantanamo_prisoners_to_great_lakes_lockup_in_michigan.html

    Where the hell did you get 600?

  103. Elric (the Ed Morrissey stooge)

    WSJ: VA pushes vets to consider death as an alternative to treatment
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    The ObamaCare bill may not contain “death panels,” but even Charles Lane and Eugene Robinson at the Washington Post wonder… blah blah blah

    This from Jim Towey the former director of the White House Office of Faith-Based Initiatives (2002-2006). I’m sure he is not biased. *rolleyes*.

    I’ll think I’ll take this disabled USMC veterans opinion over yours stooge.

    I’m a disabled veteran. Despite living with increasingly intense chronic pain and expressing to my physician my reluctance to live much longer, NO doctor or bureaucrat has ever suggested my life is not worth living. As a matter of fact I was referred to suicide prevention counseling and support groups. As a matter of fact, I’m disappointed that this pamphlet has not been recommended to me. I read it for the first time tonight after reading Mr. Towey’s very inaccurate article. This document asks the questions about quality of life and what the veteran considers an acceptable life condition. We, the veterans of the United States of America, have faced the terror of muzzle flashes in our faces, hot searing lead in our bellies and seen our own lifeless limbs lying yards away from us on the battle field (or street in our latest campaign). Do you really think we are unable to handle the real question of quality of life in realistic terms.

    Mr. Towey is propagating lies. this document asks real questions of those who face serious choices about the care they receive. His representation of this document is extremely biased and way out of context. I strongly encourage you to open the pdf file, go straight to page 21 and look at the worksheet. He blatantly misrepresented.

    http://www.rihlp.org/pubs/Your_life_your_choices.pdf

    By the way, the bill you have passed judgment on based on lies such as Towey’s is available for you to read personally as well, which I have been doing, at http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/show

    Sincerely,
    Michael Ponsler
    Disabled USMC veteran

  104. Can someone give me a good reason why Fox News feels the need to play the 911 call of a murdered toddler? I just can’t stand hearing that crap. Maybe because I have a baby due any day now, but I become much more sensitive to these kind of stories. I couldn’t sleep after hearing that story about the dumbass and his giant pet python eating his baby. Fox played that call as well. Fricking disturbing.

  105. Because people love that kind of crap. Thats why reality TV is so popular. Not that I like that kind of stuff. Never watched a reality tv show before and never will.

  106. I stand corrected. 229 members of Al Queda might be moved to my home state. Not sure why I said 600. That’s a hardcore 229 though. Curator, your more then welcome to take them off our hands. You can have the jobs.

  107. My God, it’s full of czars!
    posted at 3:35 pm on August 21, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Now that the buyout of General Motors and Chrysler has all but completed, what happens to the Car Czar? IBD Editorials notes that Ron Bloom, who replaced original car czar Steve Rattner, will quietly move into a new position of manufacturing czar. They question Obama’s judgment in having a union boss dictate to management how to make manufacturing profitable:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/21/my-god-its-full-of-czars/

    More Czars than Cabinet posts.

  108. ahhh, typical case of “not in my backyard”. I for one have no problem with them being in Michigan. We already hold terrorists in our maximum security prisons, I dont see the big deal beside only opposing this because of political reasons.

  109. “I dont see the big deal beside only opposing this because of political reasons”

    You think we would be ok with this if Juan McVain won? Are you that stupid?

  110. You only want them out of Cuba for political reasons.

    I want them to rot outside of the continental United States.

    But, your all about image. The fact they are in Michigan makes you feel better for some reason. What’s the point of moving Gitmo and still having Gitmo.?

    What’s that senscio? Oh…do you want trials? Maybe we will hold trials in Macomb County so they can walk free in your parent’s swanky hood.

  111. I agree Sensico. Thirty-three international terrorists just like the al-Qaeda thugs are already spending 23 hour a day in a single cell in the Supermax federal prison in Florence, Colorado. I think a number of them are also rotting in maximum-security at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas.

    But it is obvious that Elric must fear dark skinned men. I wonder if all members of the Aryan Brotherhood fear dark skinned people?

    I would wager that Elric probably pisses himself when he buys lottery tickets from the local gas station where some guy named Hassan works. Either he wets himself or gets an erection — it’s a toss up.

  112. To concede the point that not all teabaggers are the same. I'll post this video I saw last week.

    LOL what a great vid Sensico! When the real nutjobs come out to play (like the Larouchers) that’s when we can get some unity among warring factions.

    By the way, are these Larouchers followers of Lyndon LaRouche? Is that crazy ass still alive? I woulda thought he died ages ago.

  113. “But it is obvious that Elric must fear dark skinned men. ”

    Really? Back that up jackass. And for the record, islam isnt a race. The latest jihadist leader busted was a home grown white guy. God you are so friggin stupid.

  114. Elric the Morrissey stooge
    Really? Back that up jackass…..

    It’s written all over your negrophobic, xenophobic and islamophobic posts. You have provided the proof all by yourself.

  115. Wait! Can a white guy have a black guy as his favorite character in a franchise?

    LOL, that was good. Hey, until you say something I find blatantly racist, you won’t see me calling you one, BiW. I don’t think I’ve called anyone here a racist … well maybe on a bad day I may have hurled it at Tex or Elric but I didn’t mean it. :-)

  116. What are the odds that a Vulcan species from another world would have races that took on the exact same characteristics as branches of humanity here on Earth?

    LOL …what are the odds that a species from another world would resemble every aspect of humans except having pointy ears and turned up eyebrows? ROTFLMAO

  117. Since the facts don’t work, Obama is now looking towards God to justify his Obamacare plan. Tell me R, doesn’t this bother you just a little bit?

    Not sure what specific article or incident you’re referring to but one of the things I like least about Obama is how much he looks to God for a good number of things.

    I’m just waiting for the day that an American President has the balls to say “I don’t go to church and I don’t believe in any of that stuff.” I doubt it will happen in my lifetime. Funny how we got a black president and will probably get a female one and a gay one before we get an atheist one.

  118. “It’s written all over your negrophobic, xenophobic and islamophobic posts.”

    Negrophobic? LOL You libs make up words everyday. Now try actually quote me on something; especially “negrophobic” :-)

  119. And I find it hard to believe that even you Rutherford could like some pompous ass like Barbara Boxer.

    So, it’s Boxer’s fault that CA has fallen on hard times? Conveniently ignoring the Republican Governator I see. :-)

    Putting aside the fact that I don’t find her the least bit offensive, I might also add that for a woman who will be 69 years old this November she is incredibly well preserved. While I hate to come off like a sexist pig, she is definitely my favorite MILF of the Senate! :-)

  120. “what are the odds that a species from another world would resemble every aspect of humans except having pointy ears and turned up eyebrows?”

    good point

  121. yep, Lyndon LaRouche is still alive and crazy. I think he’s in his 90s now.

    For me, I really dont care where the terrorist are as long as the waste away in prison. As far as Gitmo is concerned, I personally never really cared (if it was closed or not). Though it was very important that it be closed because of all the horrible things that happened. More of symbolic reasons, and it was hurting our image around the world and wasting extra money that could be used elsewhere in the system.
    It doesn’t make me feel better that they would be here in Michigan, it just makes no difference to me.
    If they’re innocent then they deserve freedom. And they will be sent to another country most likely and if not, then so be it. I highly doubt the FBI will stop following them anyways.

  122. “Putting aside the fact that I don’t find her the least bit offensive”

    I hate when you turn into lair Rutherford in the comments section.

    Yeah, she’s a real cool person. Would be a ton of fun to work with or hang out with.

    That was crap of epic proportions the way she treated that military guy.

    She’s a total fucktard.

  123. Yeah, I think she must be confusing Abu Graib with Gitmo or something.

    And her “the FBI will follow them” reassurance is just laughable. Swear to God, the girl is clueless.

    She probably is oblivious to the carnage Al Queda created only two days ago in Baghdad. I guess the FBI wasn’t following those ones.

  124. Now try actually quote me on something; especially “negrophobic” :-)

    In Elric’s defense, and lawd knows he needs one, I can’t say I’ve ever seen him say anything “negrophobic”. Now maybe it just got lost in the xenophobic, islamophobic mix but it zipped right past me. ;-)

    With that said, I live for those few moments when Curator stops by to drop a liberal atomic bomb. Always makes my day. In fact, it’s funny, there have been rumors that “Joe” and “Gorilla” are one and the same. If only there could be a rumor that Curator and I are one and the same. I’d be so honored! :-D

  125. Gawd Rutherford – your selective mindset and double standards are the thing of legend. You do make a good lib.

    The entire godforsaken state of the rot called California is Democratic and has been for some time. Awnald is worthless indeed. But he’s about as much a Republican as I am a homosexual, married to a leftist Kennedy shill nonetheless.

    I predict most of your Democratically controlled states will resemble California about two years from now – chaos with no cash in the bank.

    As far as you believing Boxer “bedable”, I believe she would be old enough to be classified GILF and your standards of tapping even lower than mine. I didn’t think that possible, but like Bill Clinton, your libido maybe the one thing I most admire. :wink:

  126. “Now maybe it just got lost in the xenophobic, islamophobic mix but it zipped right past me.”

    Now how am I “xenophobic” and “islamophobic”?

    And remember, a phobia is an irrational fear.

    So you google those terms yet?

  127. I meant in the context of if “terrorists” who were found not guilty were set free HERE in the US then they would still be under surveillance. You’d be surprised who the FBI watches!…or maybe not, just know they’re watching lol :P

  128. “With that said, I live for those few moments when Curator stops by to drop a liberal atomic bomb. Always makes my day. In fact, it’s funny”

    You think its funny when people cal other people racists without any shred of evidence?

    And like usual Curator couldnt back up his bs.

  129. I personally haven’t seen proof of racism but definitely you’re an “islamophobe” if that makes you feel any better…

  130. “Now how am I “xenophobic” and “islamophobic”?
    And remember, a phobia is an irrational fear.” -elric

    lol….that cracked me up.

    Got to give elric credit, he is consistent.

  131. “if that makes you feel any better…”

    It would make me feel better if you could actually give examples instead of just hurling out words that you dont even understand.

  132. “lol….that cracked me up.

    Got to give elric credit, he is consistent.”

    Thanks DR. You know how drones are. I have to remind them of the actual terminology that they use. Otherwise we will be going in circles all night long. That is if Dodger even attempts to back up the label he placed on me.

  133. As far as you believing Boxer “bedable”, I believe she would be old enough to be classified GILF

    Now Tex, everything is relative. At my age she’s a MILF. For Sensico’s generation she’s a GILF. Of course, this means for Sensico’s generation I’m a FILF. Ick, don’t that sound “filfy”? :-D

  134. Elric … reading is fundamental. You quote me as saying “In fact it’s funny” but you don’t bother to quote me fully:

    In fact, it’s funny, there have been rumors that “Joe” and “Gorilla” are one and the same. If only there could be a rumor that Curator and I are one and the same. I’d be so honored!

    I wasn’t saying accusing someone of being a racist is funny. But then we’ve learned you are a major fan of out of context quotes.

  135. Now Tex, everything is relative. At my age she’s a MILF

    No. This is another classic example of everything “relative” in a lib’s world. Boxer is still a GILF – there is no relativism as your age doesn’t change a thing as Boxer still an old hag; but in your case, a GILF. For me, Boxer is a GILSF.

    I’ll give you a hint. It’s in the ‘caudal’ area of the anatomy and has something to do with sticking a part of my anatomy through her auditory meatus. It is obvious I’ve had to return to medical school and that I still think Babs Boxer’s Gross Anatomy gross? :wink:

  136. “R”, I ought to be embarrassed but I’m too tired to be.

    Want to read something funny? I don’t know why I typed caudal – as in tail. I meant to type cranial as in head, or more specifically “SKULL”.

    Sorry, I’ve had a very long week.

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